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Lord Grey and his adherents having a great majority, thought
it right to elect the Right Hun. Gentleman whom the same
Party uow oppose. You had the power, then, to enforce your
opinions, for you then had a majority, and why did you depart
from the principle you now lay down The first decision of
the refoi tiled parliament carries the conclusion that the Muse
did not feel itself called upon to elect a Speaker whose opinions
were in accordance with the majority of the house—( Hear,
hear, hear.) ,The noble loid says "we wanted to avail our-
selves of the advantages of the Right Hon. Gentleman's cha-
racter, abilities, and experience, and therefore we elected him.
Hut that man has served us; he has done his work; he has
• answered his object; and, with signal gratitude, I must say,—
(loud and repeated cheering,)—we will
.now dismiss him, after
we had established the principle of electing a speaker not sof
our own opinions,'when we had the power to reject him. After
we have availed ourselves of his services, and after he has co-
operated with us in establishing the character of the first
reformed parliament,for decorum, we will unfairly take the very
first opportunity to embject him to disgrace., (Cries of " No,
nu.") No, no, indeed; for no disgrace can be heaped upon a
tnan who has done his duty. It is beyond the reach of a ma-
jority to do that ; but it is not beyond the reach of a majori'y
to injure the character of that house. (Hear, hear, hear.)
The honourable gentleman who seconded the motion with so
tnuch ability and candour has remarked, that it is of great
importance, as there is a probability of two or three stormy
debates likely to arise in reference to the present government
and the dismissal of the last, that we should have an imartial
Speaker, look then, who hash • proposed?—(Laud cries of " Hear.")
1 took down the words—" It is of importance to have an impartial
mediator to still the raging storm which may be raised by the con-
. Suits which are likely to ensue between exasperated parties." And
who have you selected? Oar who was a distinguished member of
the very government whose principles and removal are to come under
• discussion. If impartiality is the object, select whom you please, but
i•vertainly not one of those whose cnniluct is to be canvassed.—(Hear.)
"There are two candidates—one who has served the office eighteen
.years during seven parliaments, and who declined office on theground
that he thoueht it would have a tendency to lower the authority of
the chair. The other candidate is a member of the Fate government,
• of whom I will not utter one word of disrespect, but of whose impar-
. ttality we_ have had no opportunity to judge in this house. Can you
•.• , doubt of the preference you ought to give to either ? The house has
a most important duty to perform, and should be as careful not to do
injustice to any individual, as not to lesson its own character and hi-
'. fluence. I shall resist the motion, then, of the hon. gentleman (Mr.
•• Denison) en individual and perional grounds; and as this is the only
office which the house has the power of conferring, let us avail our-
. selves in the selection we may make of the example which reformed
and unreformed parliaments have afforded us. 'the only. objection
- made to the appointment of the right hon. gentleman (Sir C. Sutton) is,
that he atteneed certain councils which were instrumental in dismiss-
ing the old government and in forming a new one. All the testimo-
nies. that have been given of his tried impartiality and his abilities re-
, main quite unimpeachech But if he is to he blamed far acting in the
capacity of a hrivy councillor, the house should make a rule disqua-
c.2 (Zvi that office. A great.. mistake pervades the public
mind as to the duties of a
,privy councillor;/it consists not merely of
. , the inembers.of government ; others besides are called on to attend
the counciL No advice iii given in it. But if the Speaker is in town
•0 - when a privy council is convened, and his advice is asked, what right
= ' . has he to refuse such advice? It is erroneous, however, to say that
, the right honourable gentleman contributed to the formation of the
.present government, on the dismissal of the former one. I shall vete
• for the hon. gentleman, because I think that the precincts of the chair
• of that house ought not to be invaded to try the strength of political
;.parties. 'Hear, hear.) I shall resist the motion to appoint the right
honourable member for Edinburgh, on the ground that the member
for the University of Cambridge possesses superior qualifications
• from his long practice in the duties of Speaker, and because his re-
. • jectioti, for the reasons advanced against his appointment, would tend
• to disparage as well the character of the office of Speaker as of the
• Douse of Commons itself. The right hon. baronet sat down, and was
' loudly cheered for some minutes.
Mr. CORBETT rose amid loud cries of "Question, question." The
.hon. member stated that the last he had heard of his constituents was
. an address to his Majesty, thanking him fur having dismissed the late
ministers. (Laughter,) lie would do nothing which had. a tendency
to bring them back again. There were a great many reasons why.he
would not rote for Mr. Abere.romby, and one was, that the right hon.
-gentleman, the member for Edinbairgh, for whom, personally, lie had
great respect, was one of those who clandestinely pushed forward
and carried the inhuman poor law bill. (Laughter.)
Lard MORPETII then rose, amidst loud cries of " Question, ques-
tion." Ile said he would limit'his observations to what seemed to
him to be peculiar to his own position. (Hear.) Ills noble friend
who had opened the discussion of the day so ably had reminded the
lhouse that at the election of the Speaker of the last parliament, he
Lord M.) had had the distinguished honour of proposing the success-
ful candidate for that high appointment ; and true it was, that he
rostra his recommendation of the appointment of Sir Charles Man-
ners Sutton on his eminent fitness for the discharge of the duties and
dignities of his office. (Hear.) Not one syllable of what he had then
stated did he now repent or retract. On the. contrary, if the oppon-
ents of Sir Charles M. Sutton sh •uld fail in their object, they would
. at least have the consolation of yielding to no unworthy toe, and of
knowing that the high functions of that office would he entrusted to
a skilful guardianship. His limited task at the present moment was
merely to claim for himself as full a share of even and strict literal
emiaistency as could he assumed by any other member ; for, upon
looking at the fullest records of their proceedings, he found that iu
the-very art of proposing' the right hon. gentleman, before he came
to any mention of his name he used this expression, arid he should
certainly state what that was, because when his noble friend had paid
him the compliment of quoting Some expressions of his he did not
happen to include this. He had stated that, in approaching the oh-
ject for Which lie had risen, he had felt that it was due to himself to
mention, and he was sure the pencil' whom lie was about to propose
+for the.ehoice of the house, would he the last to complain of it.
l'tett there were circumstances which, at one time, induced him to
Contemplate a different arrangement ; but those circumstances to
which he had but slightly alluded had not arisen. These circum-
stances, as was known to many, had not arisen in consequence of the
absence front place of the right hon. gentleman, the member for
Edinburgh. The estimate he then held of Sir C. Sutton, and the
. respect for the abilities—the character and the career of his right
hon. friend remained the same. (Loud cheers.)
• 'Lord DUDLEY &rum arose amidst the loudest cries of " Question,
question." " Divide, divide," and said that he should certainly vote
for Sir Charles Manners Sutton, becelise, however painful it might be
to vote in opposition to those with whom be actually acted, he con-
• sidcred that nothing had been stated that could justify any man in
supposing that Sir Charles Manns•rs Sutton had forfeited the con&
deuce of the House.
• ' There was then a constant cry of " Divide, divide," amidst which
Mr. Rom sisort rose and said, they would he doing an act of injus-
tice to the right hon. gentleman-4" No, no",—He deemed that it
. was a question of public principle ;—if the chair was vacant, he knew
no gentleman for whom he would vote with more pleasure, than the
'hon. member for Edinburgh. The speaker was interrupted by loud
cries of " Divide," and " Withdraw," which were kept up without
intermission after he sat down.
Sir it. Peet, said a few words, hut not one was heard.
The house then divided. when there appeared--
For Mr. Abel-C.l'ol7oly • fitti
For Air C. M. Sutton 3416

Majority for Mr. Abercromby...
.-.-Adjourncd.

HOUSE OF LOIZDS.-Fttzuty, FEB. 20.

The Lord Chancellor took the,woolPack at half-past two.
A great number of peers took the oaths, amongst whom we
;observed the Dukes of Richmond, Gordon, and Portland, Earls
Itipon, Mansfield, Carlisle and Munster, and Lord Farnborough.
The following new peers haVing been introduced in the usual
form, took the oaths and their seats :

Lord Camden (son of Marquis Camden), introduced by Lord
.Elleuborougli and Lord - ; Lords Fitzgerald and V'esey,
Jut rod uced by Lord Elienborough and Lord flay (Earl of Kin-
:nowt); Lord Abingrr, introduced by Lord Ellenhorough and
Lord Kenyon ; Lords De Lisle and Dudley, introduced by Lord
Penshurst (Viscount Strangforcl), and Lord -•

• THE SPEAKER.
At three o'clock the lords commissioners—namely, the Lord
Chancellor, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Earls of Jersey
and ltosslyn,,and Lord Wharncliffe, toulZ their seats on a form
between the throne and the woolsack.
The LOUD CHANCELLOR directed the gentleman usher of the
black rod (Sir Augustus Clifford) to inform the Commons that
the lords commissioners desire the immediate attendance of
the Commons in this house."

Mr. Abercronsby, accompanied by a numerous assemblage of
commoners, appeared below the bar immediately afterwards.
Mr. Abercromby said—My lords, I am to acquaint your lord-
ships that, in obedience to his Majesty's commands, his Ma-
jesty's faithful Commons have proceeded to exercise their
undoubted right and privilege in the election of a Speaker. I
have now to acquaint your lordships that their choice, however
unworthy, has billets upon me; and I now humbly submit my-
self to his Majesty's royal will and pleasure.
The Lotto CH A Nrk:l-LOH.—Mr. Abercrombv, we have it in
command from his Majesty to assure you that his Majesty is
fully satisfied of your zeal for the public service, and that it 'is
imply sufficient for the discharge of 'the arduous duty imposed.
on you ; and his Majesty therefore does most readily and fully
approve of the choice of his faithful Commons, and confirms
you as their Speaker.
The SPEAKER.— My lords, with-all-humility and gratitude I
-Submit myself to his Majesty's i oyal will and pleasure. ; and now
it is my duty, in the name and on behalf of the Commons of the
taited Kingdom, to lay claim, by humble petition, to the free
exercise of all their ancient and undoubted rights and privi-
leges • and more especially to those of freedom of debate, free,
dons from arrest for their persons and their servants,free access
to his Majesty whenever occasion may require it, and that his
Majesty will be graciously pleased to put the most favourable
construction on all their proceedings; and, for myself, I am
anxious, and most anxiously intrest, tat whenever 1 shall fall
into error, the blame may be imputed to sue, and not to his
Alkqesty's faithful COROUOUS.
the Loan CO ANGALLou.—Mr. Speaker, we have it further
in command to inform you, that his Majesty doth most readily
confirm all the rights and privileges which have ever been
granted to, or conferred on, the commons. by any of his royal
predecessors. With respect to yourself, sir, though his Majesty.
s:srensilsle that you stand in uo need of ends assurance, his
...Mujesty will ever put the most favourable construction upon
!;our vords and actions.
'('he Speaker and attending commons then retired.
A.,eonsiderdble number of peers afterwards took the oaths,
and their lordships adjourned at four o'cluck until Monday at
two o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAY, FEB. 20.
Mr. Abercrnmhy entered the house at a few minutes before.
three. The right lion. gentleman was attired in a plain court
dress, hut (us the royal approbation of his election had not yet
'wen signified.) without the official rube; he took his seat at the
able. Soon after which,

Sir A. Clifford, the gentleman usher of the black rod, ap-
vared et the table and summoned the house to the house of
Mr. Ahricromlry, attended by his proposer.and seconder, and
ivccoinpataied by a large body of his political friends,.proceeded
forthwith to the noose of Peers (for which see lords'.reyort).
Oa the SPEA ER'S return, haying taken his seat in the chair.
be informed the house of what took place in the liolltiC ofeeers
(which it is unnecessary here to repeat), and added, th•it
tad once more to express to the house his unfeigned thanks for
the distinguished honour which it had conferred upon him, and
for the great pro if it had shown of its confidence in hon. He
i;ris well aware that if he did not possess the full confidence of
4)le-housp,.it would be tiseless for him to ,hope' that he could
• 4404Phiteky'diseirprite the iipportant duties of his station. it
shomd, however, be his cop.staut endeavour :to gain .that confi-
dence by fidelitY and zeal, and by pursuing a just and impar-
tial course in support of tne 'rights and privAszes of that house.
(Ilear, hear.)
'flip right hon. gentleman was then sworn, after which the
clerk prikeeded to administer the oaths to the members present,
in the alphabetical brder of the cOunties (or }daces in such coun-
-1 mil) from which they were returned. About seventy membe.rs
bad taken the oaths tit four o'clock, when the house adjourned
till the following day (Saturday) at twelve o'clock.