The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1835-05-29 00:00:00

BREACH OF PRIVILEGE.

Mr. O'CoNNEr I. rose to give notice that to-morrow (Wed-
nesday) he would call the attention of the house to a breach of
privilege in reference to one of the petitions presented against
the return of the hon. member for Cork county, and 'which peti-
tion had been since abandoned. The breach of privilege was
committed by one of the subscribers to that petition, who had
been .heard distinctly to declare that he had signed it, not for
the purpose of unseating the hon. member, but to prevent him,
as long as it was possible, from being elected on election com-
mittees of that-louse. Considering the circumstance a breach
of the privileges of the house, he a ould call its attention to it
to-morrow. .
WESTERN RAILWAY--TRAVELLING ON SUNDAYS.

On the order of the day for the further consideration of the
report on this bill being read,
Mr. MILES moved the insertion of the clause of which be had
given notice to prevent travelling on this rail-road on the Sab-
bath. The clause, after a short discussion, was negatived by
the following division:—For the clause 24—against it 212
majority 188-.

CANTERBURY ELECTION.

Mr. WA LTER appeared at the bar of the house with the report
of the select committee appointed to inquire into the validity of
a petition complaining of the Canterbury city election. He
then informed the house that the committee had determined
that the Right Hon. Stephen ilumbold Lushington had been
dilly elected to serve in the present parliament fur the city of
Canterbury; that the petition of Frederick Villiers, Esq., against
the return of the said Right Hon. S. It. Lushington did not ap-
pear to the committee to be frivolous or vexatious.,-and -that-the
upPosition to the said
spetition did not appear to be frivolous or
vexatious. He likewise inforined the house that the committee
had altered the poll taken at the said election by striking off
and by putting on certain individuals, whose names be men-
tioned.—The report was ordered to be'inserted on the journalc
ALLEGATION OF BRIBERY AGAINST_ Mk. ,CAltlIUTM;itb.
Mr. HANDLIIT•said that be role to present a--petition, "14,*/-
.

seance of Ore following resolution, passed by the house on the
24th February last:—" That all persons who shall question any
return of members to serve in the present parliament, upon any
allegation of bribery or corruption, and who shall in their peti-
tion specifically allege any payment of money or other reward
to have been made by any member, or on his account, or with
his privity, since the time of such return, in pursuance or in
furtherance of such bribery or corruption, may question the
same at any time within 28 days after the date of such payment;
or, if this house be not sitting at the expiration of the said 28
days, then within 14 days after the day when the house shall
next meet." In pursuance of that resolution he now presented
a petition from Thomas White, of Kingston-upon-Hull, praying
that the house would declare the election of David Carruthers,
Esp., null and void, on 'account of bribery and corruption by
him committed.

The petition, after a short discussion on the point of order,
was withdrawn.

FISHERIES AT NEWFOUNDLAND.

Mr. Ron tresosi rose to bring forward his motion relative to
the right of British subjects to a concurrent fisbery on that part
of the coast of Newfoundland commonly called the French
shore. The claim in question was fotnided on treaties with
France, but he was sorry to say that no ministry, and he had
applied to several, was able to give him the actual construction
of them ; or to satisfy him as to whether British subjects enjoyed
a concurrent right of fishing with the French on our own coast.
He had repeatedly brought the subject before the house, but
was as often prevailed on to withdraw his motions, on the ground
that the subject was under the consideration of government,
and that. regulations relative to it were pending between this
country and France. He now protested against any further
delay in the adjustment of the question. He was aware that
the French had an interest in its postponement, so long as they
enjoyed an undisturbed right of fishing and could obstruct Bri-
tish subjects, but he contended that the treaties entered into
between this country and France, from the peace of Utrecht
downward, although they comprehended this subject, conferred
no such privilege upon France. It was monstrous to say that
British subjects should be precluded from fishing on their own
coasts. To try the question of right, a vessel was fitted out in
1831 and despatched to fish on what was called the French
shore, but the master was warned off by the commander of a
French sloop, who prevented him from fishing. The non.
member was proceeding to refer to the terms of the treaties
bearing upon the question, when
Mr. R. POTTER moved that the house should be counted.
This was done, but it appeared that there were forty members
present, and the business proceeded. When the gallery was
reopened,
Mr. P. Tiiostsox was addressing the house. He stated that
it would not be ,of the slightest use to lay upon the table the
information which the government at present possessed upon
the subject. The question had been submitted to the law-officers
of the crown, and as. soon as their opinion should be delivered
in, government would spare no efforts to bring it to asatisfactory
adjustment. •
fhe house was again counted, on the motion of an hon.
member, and, forty members not being present, adjourned at
seven o'clock till Wednesday.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, WHONESDAT.
The Speaker took the chair at two o'clock in order to bring
up the arrear of private buskuess. .

DORCHESTER UNIONISTS.

Mr. WAICLEY presented sixteen petitions praying for a re-
mission of the sentence passed upon these men. The Honour-
able Member intimated his intention of bringing this subject
before the House, on the 24th June, but hoped that His Majesty
would take their case into consideration before that time.

Mr. Handley, Mr. Hodge, and Mr. D. W Harvey presented
similar petitions.

IMPRISONMENT FOR DEBT.

Serjeant TALFOURD presented a petition against the Bill for
abolishing Imprisonment for Debt; it was signed by many res-
pectable inhabitants of the town of Reading, who, he could take
upon him to say, were, from their intelligence, capable of ap-
preciating the advantages of any measure that would remove
the abuses that now exist. They did not, however, think that
the substitutes for the old system that the Learned Attorney. Ge-
neral had proposed would be efficient to prevent the fraudulent
transfer of property.
Mr. POTTER presented a petitiOn from Wigan, praying the
House to pass a Bill to lessen the houis of labour in factories.

THE IRISH CHURCH.
Mr. SHAW said he had several petitions to present that re-
ferred to the Established Church of Ireland. One was from the
county Louth, signed by 1,500 Protestants of that county—
another from the diocese of Clogher—and a third from the
diocese of Killaloe and Kilfonsa, all of them deprecating the
principle in the strongest manner of appropriating Church pro-
perty to any but Church purposes. They pray the House to 'ex-
tend its protection to the Protestant Church of Ireland, estab-
lished by law, and guaranteed by the Act of Union. They fur-
ther state that if the principles of appropriating Church pro-
perty be applied to Ireland, where the Protestants are few in
number compared with the Roman Catholics, it will hold out a
premium for the extirpation of Protestants, and that the adop-
tion of any measure which should have that object in view would
be a mockery of all legislative engagements, and the violation
of a solemn national compact. They also begged to inform the
House firmly, but respectfully, that any such measure would
put an end to the deep bond of union that BOW subsists between
the Protestants of both countries, and• finally would lead to a
separation of them. He (Mr. S.). would not now go into • the
general discussion of this question, but would merely state
some facts which had come to his knowledge in reference to
this subject. He would state the facts in the words of the Rev.
Gentleman who had communicated them to him. The Rev.
Gentleman is vicar of Killaloe,—be alludes in his letter to a
Statement made by the Noble Lord, that the Protestants of Kil-
laloe were only 2,000, whereas the numbers are 15,265.—( Hear.)
The Noble Lord also stated that in the parish of Tullamore—

Mr. D. BROWNE rose to order. He did not think it proper
to allude to statements made in that House in the absence of the
Noble Lord to whom they were attributed.
Mr. SHAW considered himself perfectly- in order to allude to
statements made in that house, fur the purpose of explanation.
His lordship is reported to have stated, that in the parish of
Tullamore the tithe composition was set down at £474, and that
it only contained 120 protestants. Instead of that, by the re-
turn made to the commission of inquiry, the number of church-
Men is 1,254. (Hear, hear.) The hon. member must therefore
see the importance of not allowing facts thus stated to go un-
contradicted. Another fact in reference to this case is that of
the nonresidence of the curate in-a certain parish, which the
noble lord instanced as one of the proofs to shot- the necessity
of the church reform measure. It was said the curate resided
out of the parish—that the parson lived, fifteen miles from the
church, and that the sexton sold spirits at the church-yard gate.
What was the fact as to this threetold charge agaiust the curate,
the parson, and the sexton? Why, •that there was not one
word of truth in it from beginning to end. (Cheers from the
opposition.) It was known to many members of the house that
the curate ( Mr. Land.) lived in the parish, and actually boarded
and lodged in the families of some of Mr. O'Connell's relatives.
So much with respect to the curate, who had been slated is not
residing there; then with respect to the clerk—the statement of
the clergyman was, that he had been clerk for six years, and
that he had not only resided there during that time, but he had
filled the office of schoolmaster. With respect to the sexton
selling spirits in the churchyard, the clergyman stated that he
was a most pious man, and that during his life he had never
sold spirits without a license, nor in the churchyard. This
statement the clergyman expressed his readiness to prove the
accuracy upon oath. He (Mr. Shaw) believed that the state-
ments that had gone forth were not for the purpose of reform-
ing the church, but in order to set up a principle, which he be-
lieved would be the first step, not only to destroy the connexion
between church and state in Ireland, but in all parts of the
country.
Sir G. CLERK presented similar petitions from parishes in the
county of Meath.
Lord FRANCIS EGER-role presented petitions from Salford
and Manchester, signed by 10,500 persons, stating their alarm
at the present situation of the Irish Church, their regret that
the measures proposed by the late government had not been
carried into effect, and praying the house for protection to the
church establishment. I'he petition was signed by many re-
spectable dissenters, and also a Roman catholic gentleman
named Travers. The noble lord also presented• a petition from
Lancashire, signed by 9,500 persons, in favour of the Irish
church, and deprecating in strong lattguage the course that had
been pursued towards it by the present ministry and those who
supported them.
Mr. Rice TREVOR presented a petition from Durham, pray-
ing for the protection of the Irish church, and against the ap-
propriation clause in the tithe bill. It was the hon. member's
decided conviction, that if measures like. the present were
passed into a law, no property in the country would be safe.
The presentation of these petitions was-followed by an ani-
mated and somewhat acrimonious debate. In the course of it

Captain BERKELEY rose to say one word. It had been stated
by the hen. and learned Recorder of Dublin, that those who
differed from him on the subject of the Irish church voted upon
that occasion because they wanted to put the late ministry out
of office, and to destroy the church establishment.
Mr. SH A W.-I said the great majority.
Captain BERKELEY did not wish to boast whether he had as
great a regard for the established church as the hon. and learned
Recorder—for himself, he believed that the hon. and learned
Recorder's regard did not surpass his own; but all he rose to
say was, that so fur as ally imputations were cast upon him as
one who did so vote, he would tell the honourable and learned
Recorder that such imputations were neither founded on truth.
justice, or charity. (Loud cheers.)
Mr. SuAw had said that a great many had joined in that vote
for the purpose of overturning the church, (Cries of " Name.)
Many bad said—at least some hon. tnetnbers had said—had pro-
fessed that their object was to overturn the Church. (Cries of
".oh," and " Name.") Many, no douht„differed -from this,
but he considered that the greatinajOritfhird jbitied-iff that-re.,
solution in order to destroy the connection between the church.
and state in both countries.

Mr. O'CONi ELL. said he had no objection to the reception of
the petition from South Lancashire. although it.eontained ex-
pressions that were disrespectfully violent, exceedingly calum-
niating, and utterly false. It had all these qualities of violence,
calumny, and falsehood .to make it parliamentary. (Laughter
and cheers.) it was full of that ribaldry that is in so much re-
quisition abroad to vilify some members of parliament, especially
one for whom he had a great affection. .( Laughter ) He was
willing to treat it with the compassion of his contempt. It was
full of bad taste—it lied most outrageously--:-and he was per-
fectly willing that the petitioners and it should both be per-
mitted to lie on the table. (Laughter.) The hon. member for
the city of Durham has completely vindicated himself from
participating in the sentiments of the petitioners.
Mr. A. Takvoit.—Not as to the charge of perjury.
Mr. O'CoNNELL.—The petitioners have not the manliness to
being a direct charge, but they deal in base and cowardly in-
sinuations, fit only for the ribaldry of newspapers of a certain
description. He would not reject the petition on that account,
bid he would like that the prayer of it would be attended to, and
that some specific motion was founded upon it. For his own
part, there was one poition of the oath which he did not like
—he referred to that part which called this a protestant govern-
ment. Ile could not understand what was meant by calling
this government a protestant government, when, in fact, there
were only three offices to which Roman catholics were not eli-
gible. lie would be glad, however, that the charge was made
'directly, and that a motion was founded upon it. ( Hear, hear.)
Ile had inure than once in that house given his construction of
the oath, and he asked any lion. member who differed from him
in that construction of it, to never fear his (Mr. O'Connell's)
expulsion. As to Lord John Russell's measure, he was pre-
pared to vote for the measure on the same principle as if the ca-
tholics had the possession of this church property under similar
circumstances to those under which the protestants now possess
it, and he would do this because he was convinced that the
scandalous robbery, the outrageous peculation, and disgraceful
love of mammon, would infringe upon and destroy that. respect
for the religion which in his conscience he believed to be true,
and because he thought it would bring into disgrace and con-
tempt the clergymenfof that religion, to have them fed, fat-
tened. and gorged at the expense of the wealth, industry, and
comfort of protestants. He.wculd cote for that measure as a
catholic, in order to remove those causes which he was of opi-
nion would prevent protestants from considtting the truths, and
embracing the principles of tike. catholic religion. pow could
hon. members account for it, that the principlesiaf
,protestant-
ism had not extended tin Ireland ? • (HEar`,' Beir.)'• It tylislai-
cause of the scenes that,tuolc.place,ig that coot:try, enforcing
the. paymEnt of tithes-it *as because the excesstve and unne-
cessary ..wealth of, the proteetait eltirtb'preiontki eathglika

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from inquiring into the truth of ate doctrines by creating pre"
judices against it—of was it wing to the extreme igeorauce at.
Itoinau catholies t - "

. St. PANtHAS
Sir S. Witatutv moved -the' second reading., R€, the St.
Pancras saving bill. On a division the-bill was lost by a ma-
jority of two. •

CARLOW COUNTY ELECTION. -
Mr. STEWART MAJORIBANKS, as chairman a the Carlow'
eletlion committee, reported to the house that the committee
had decided that Messrs. Kavenagh and Bruen were not duly
elected—that the election was nnll and void, and that neither
the petition nor the opposition to it was frivolous or vexatious,
—Left sitting.