The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1843-12-12 00:00:00

THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD

REPORT

"That your committee having met on the 21st ult. and
having considered the matter referred to hem, so far as
the same appeared from the papers delivered by the late
Mayor to his successor, proceeded to ascertain the dues
payable in respect of the articles in question in this in-
quiry. _

" that, under grant of the Crown of the customs of
the water of Mersey, there are payable to the :11:1yr,r,
aldermen, and burgesses of the borough of Liverpool,
upon the exportation of dry goods in general, the follow-
ing dues :

For a case, chest, or bale
For a box, or truss

" That your committee next proceeded to take the evi-
dence of Mr. Corrie. the receiver; and, after such evi-
dence had been taken, your committee, on the 29th ult.
came to the determination of offering the perusal thereof
to Messrs. Sands and Co. ant of giving them the op-
portunity of making any communication to your com-
mittee.

" That on the Ist instant, your committee received a
letter from Thomas Sands, Esq. and Charles Turner,
Esq. making the following communication ;
" Mr. Turner having read the evidence given by Mr.
Corrie before the committee appointed to inquire into the
subject of his letter to the late Mayor, of the 6th ult. and
having related the import of that evidence to Mr. Sands,
we beg to assure you most solemnly, that, in pursuing
the practice imputed to us in that letter, we believed that
we had acted correctly and uprightly, and we respectfully,
but strongly, assert that we did. This assertion, we sub-
mit, is supported by Mr. Corrie's own testimony, which
confirms what we have always understood to be the pre-
valent impression, that the difference between bales and
trusses, and between cases and boxes, cannot be defined
by himself, or by any one employed in the town dues de-
partment, and the, e is no legal definition of such differ-
ence.

" ' That part of our business, viz. the entry of goods,
both for customs and town dues, has been left entirely to
our clerks, without any knowledge by either of us of
particulars.'

" That your committee further report, that, it appear-
ing upon the evidence of the Receiver, as stated in his
letter to the late Mayor of the 6th ult., that between the
Ist of January last, and the 3rd ult., 4239 packages of
goods were entered with him by Messrs. Sands and Co.
thereon ; your committee, on the Ist instant directed the
Town-clerk to obtain information how these packages
were described in the bills of lading of Messrs• Sands and
Co.

" That on the day following, the Town-clerk laid he-
your committee a letter from Messrs. Sands and Co. as

follows

" We have no difficulty in answering your inquiry.
No other terms have ever been used in our bills of lading
for dry goods, but bales for packages in canvass, and
cases for packages in wood, without any reference to size,
weight or mode of putting up ; it having always been con-
sidered a mere matter of form. You may, therefore,
assume, that all the packages referred to in Mr. Corrie's
letter, are described in the bills of lading, as bales or
cases.'

"That your committee further report, that it appears
that Messrs. Sands and Co. have pursued this system,
with little variation, since the year 1834. That it ap-
pears that, in that year, this course of Messrs. Sands and
Co. was remonstrated against by the Receiver to their
clerk ; but, after that year, it was allowed by that officer
to proceed, without any further objection thereto being
signified to Messrs. Sands and Co., or any communica-
tion thereon being made to the Council, or any committee
or authority under the council.

" That, in the opinion of your committee, this system
of Messrs. Sands and Co. so long allowed to be pursued
without objection, will, on investigation, be found to be
at variance with the just rights of the Corporation.
" That the Receiver, in allowing this system to continue
without objection or report until the 6th ultimo, properly
acknowledges that he is open for censure,
" That the Receiver, in at length bringing the subject
under consideration, appears to have acted without any
personal motive, and not by the inducement, or at the in-
stigation of any one.

" That your committee, lastly, report, after mature
consideration, and particularly after weighing the want
of some declared rule of distinction for preventing doubt
in instances of approximation of the box and the case,
and the truss and the bale—the omission ever since
1834 of objection on the part to the Receiver—the man-
ner in which this charge has been met by Messrs. Sands
and Co. in the prompt admission of facts and production
of papers, and, moreover, the solemn assertion of Mr.
Sands and Mr. Turner, that they considered that they
were acting correctly, your committee are of opinion that
these gentlemen proceeded erroneously, yet they did so
without any dishonourable intention.

"And your committee recommend that this report, if
approved, with the evidence taken, be referred to the
Finance Committee, along with a particular instruction,
so far as regards the taking into consideration whether
some ,atisfactory rule of distinction in instances of ap-
proximation of the box and the case, and the truss and
the bale, could not be fixed ; which, meeting general ap-
probation, and erring only (if at all) in favour of trade,
could be declared, to prevent the possibility of any fair
difference, or any delay to business, or other inconveni-
ence hereafter.
" Town-hall, 4th December, 1843.

Mr. St; AND said that at the present moment he was not
prepared to offer any observations, but to propose that
the report be received and adopted.

Mr: TLNNE seconded the motion

Mr. BLACKBURN expressed his regret that members
had not been informed that the subject was coming

Mr. NORTH said nobody was more unfeignedly glad at
the termination of the matter than he was. Much had
been said about the inability to define the difference be-
tween the various packages about which these charges
had arisen. He would only say, that he might not be
misunderstood, that he dissented entirely from that ex-
pression. His opinion was, that every man carried about,
in his own breast, a perfect knowledge of the definition.
Mr. H. HORNBY thought the report did not do full
justice to Mr. Corrie. It was not stated that he had made
a representation to the Finance Committee in 1834, and
that he was directed by that committee to take no fur-
ther notice of the matter. It was due to Mr. Corrie that
this fact should have been brought prominently forivard.
Mr. SHAND said that subject was not brought before
the committee, but in the examination they found much
ground for extenuation in the proceedings of Mr. Corrie,
and it was difficult to put the report in a shape to bring it
before the Council in a concise form.

Mr. H. LAWRENCE agreed entirely with what had
fallen from Mr. North. lie did not think there was any
difficulty in distinguishing the packages. He went over
the docks with a gentleman yesterday, and they had a
long examination, and there were only a few packages in
the docks that could be considered as doubtful. In his
humble idea, he did not think any gentleman was justi-
fied in entering any package in one name when it was
known to be of another. No ignorance on the part of
the returning officer was a justification. As the report
of the committee confirmed his opinion, he thought there
was wrong conduct on the part of Messrs. Sands and Co.
If Mr. Sands said he had done wrong—and he (Mr. Law-
rence) had done wrong many times, and was proud to set
himself right again—if he would only say he bad erred—
had taken an erroneous view of the case, and would
never do so any more, the matter might rest here.

Mr. HODGSON thought the report-by no means satis-
factory. It appeared to be a report got up under some
circumstances of difficulty, which seemed to have shut
the mouths of the committee. They were appointed to
make an investigation, and they now came forward in a
very lame position, and recommended that the report be
sent to another committee, to whom the matter was not
referred.

After a remark from Mr. Lloyd and Mr. H. Lawrence,
Mr. HODGSON asked whether what was stated in the re-
port to have been a communication from Messrs. Sands,
Turner, and Co., was the whole of the commnnication.
(" It is not.") He would ask, then, why part of that
letter was suppressed ? It would be seen that Messrs.
Sands, Turner, and Co. had manifested the utmost desire
to meet the question fairly, openly, and honestly, and he
thought the party accused, even though acquitted, should
not be half acquitted. The remainder of the letter cor-
roborated the whole, was highly important, and ought to
have been given.

Mr. LLOYD said that what was in the latter part of the
letter was not to the point.

Mr. HODGSON, who held a copy of the letter in his
hand, and was about to read, after a few minutes' consul-
tation with Mr. Alderman Crook said, that if the com-
mittee felt there was besides that, other evidence unde-
sirable to go into, he would not press it.
Mr. EDWARDS suggested that the evidence be printed,
Mr. AnciN would beg to suggest, as a matter of dis-
creetness, that each member of the council, who was de-
sirous of reading the report should do so, and if, after
having read it, they were desirous of having it printed,
then there could be no objection.
Mr. H. LAWRENCE wished that all the documentary
evidence produced before the committee should be open
for the inspection of the council.

Mr. AtioN would say that Mr. Hodgson had not made
a very discreet speech—one at all calculated to do good to
the friends whose cause he advocated, nor to the trust
which it was his bounden duty to protect. Mr. Corrie's
duties were in doors. All he had to do was to see that
the note presented to him corresponded with the Customs'
entry, and, if so, he was bound to receive the dues. It
was ridiculous to say there was no distinction between a

were instances

Dec. 12, 10

Aker
It was actually a conundrum. When is a box 11" 010
a box ? Why, when you put anything into it, it bec°
a case. (Laughter.) for
Mr. PARKER would warmly support the repo,. gu
did not believe that a more honourable man than
Sands ever filled the chair. offer
Mr. Alderman TURNER' said Mr. Corrie wa" r sof
with an in-door department. He had no clerks n° toot
person under him, to examine the entries, but bcehast.
them on the faith and honour of a British we,rhe the
(Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Turner) could not 00 'at bl
conclusion the committee had come to was borne."-t„ heir
the evidence. Messrs. Sands, Turner, and Coo 15131e5,
policy of insurance, had termed these 4000 Pack,qesarance
They knew they could not recover their policy ol,ince paid
if they were not so insured, and they ought CO eaeet zeal
the town dues on them as bales also. The indiee. ovbst
n
which Mr. Hodgson had shown, in rising and seVicf,
he did, warranted what he (Mr. Turner) had,sai be did
should not resist-the receiving of the repot t; uu
not think it an honourable acquittal. e for sari
l 9
EVANS did not think there was any geOP
vestigation, and foretold that it would end as it nec''ertiollo
had ended—in accepting as evidence the mere 9010 of
of the parties. He hoped they would be mind sercise
North's suggestion, and that they would call into e
above
this court of conscience, of which, he would hope'
all other men, the rchants were noteidLfactorf
r. BIRKETT said the report was not so vo
sa'''
he could have wished it. He did hope th a, be
afterTturner,
port, (which, though it acquitted Messrs. Sonde, error')
and. Co. of a moral wrong, it imputed to them an
gOO
Messrs. Sands and Co. would immediately he tset retie
example to the merchants by discontinuing d tbe
complained of, until the committee investigate
bt e
matter. , • t
Ca
Mr. BLACKBURN thought the report 05 toe one
matter exactly as it stood ; it had not altered the

single iota.
After some discussion the report was adopted.
The Mayor was introduced. f bi°
Mr. Nrcot, said he had the satisfaction to 0.-° tosai'
that the report of the special committee had bee)
mously adopted by the council. rend gr.
The MAYOR.-1 understand, from my -II • tbst
Lace, that he has stated to the council his convictio eft°
mY poor._.o.

I should be glad to give every assistance in r--- „ dao,
the Finance Committee in the collection of tovi"080;
He has not stated more than the fact—not loer,le,rstaou
stated to the Town-clerk yesterday. I think I ueretp—berS
this subject as well if not better than any of the I" pod°
of the council ; and if it had been brought to 01, bop/
in a proper way years ago, I should have been We"
to give my best attention to it.
Here the matter rested.

FINANCE COMMITTEE. ins
resolution
octipornfeoerdtihnegseroefettihoins
ofco mnemwittebaethswahnidchwacsofta 'eS,
h•bOted
in Paul-street, were passed. . refer'
After some little conversation, Mr. HouGsa, Ora of
ence to the interest of 4 per cent. offered 'Won a 6- biga
£4OOO to be borrowed, said, the London and Birsoing
Railway could get any sum at 34 per cent .0, or
Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE said it had been a practice
a long time, to give interest at the rate of 4 per Cni

DOCK COMMITTEE- the
The MAYOR said the course would be in readingdogs
proceedings of this committee, to read the Pe°„ceeediegs
under the existing dock acts, and then the Pro
which were under these acts. re resat
The proceedings under the existing acts we c
and those as to new matters were referred to the,_;rsab•
Committee of the Council, to be called after to t.
committee of the Docks shall have given their rePrpacit
A long discussion took place on the report of theexit
Committee, as to the saving of life from shiPwsrponsi
being the opinion of many members that some 8°
Coie
r
arrangement ought to be made with the Steam Tog
gat lif
pane for the supply of steam-power in towing
boats. the poet
The TOWN-CLERK gave it as his opinion ;
that two
Committee bad not done all they had power to ud there
there was public duty devolving upon them, en
he doti
was a public fund provided, by means of which
shall be discharged. of
The proceedproceedings of the Improvement, Courted obo
el-
and Markets Committee, were confirmed witb
vation

HEALTH OF THE TOWN COMMlrrit!;. the
The proceedings of this committee, including BeviDr,
pointment of Mr. Robert Ellis and Mr. Thomas mioe
bt ton Lewis,
whichlLa se
wast i
pursuant
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standing
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MAYOR'S COMMUNICATIONS•
A memorial from the importers of fruit, on the YonCCM'
olae
rates of town dues; and another from the licenseuittee.
,- CO'
store dealers, were referred to the Finance Coro: to the
A memorial from the Guardian Committee 8
New Gas Company, was referred to the Finance
mittee to report.

THE WALLASEY DOCKS.
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nr..ggmi v Eegnsi
ypneronotpicnoesoet:drcetTh ehoeffotichl ooeviiinnigni
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to makema
kapplication t
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aft or
Wallasey-pool,
acsteyto.peont et_bsua to:
special committee be now appointed to take such Ine3toeu.
into consideration, to make such reports and reccra tbei
dations in connexion therewith, to this Council, a°
may deem requisite. _no,
There being no seconder, the motion fell to the gi"four.
and the Council odjourned at twenty-five minutes to

.!
On Tuesday se'nnight J. R. Shaw, Esq., II"4 ArroOre.w
other gentlemen, shot, in the preserves close Lo sok
Hall, near Birkenhead, two woodcocks, three Plietaouj of
eighteen bares, and sixty-four rabbits ; roakiog a

eighty-seven head.
R oe BP.
UNCORN CHURCH.—On Tuesday, the cornillit balV
pointed at the last public vestry met at the Town-itinioof
pre sent, the Rev. F. Masters, vicar • Messrs. ladoer
WiL4on, Milner, Crippin, Okell, dhadwick, 000
Wright, Banks, and Pitman—when it was resolv,_"l, ob,
to apply to the several noblemen and gentleinen,_eT"ing the
scriptions in aid of building a new church, itfs, desir",
unanimous opinion of all present that it is high is of
able to hive an edifice commensurate with the war'

SSS'
CHAIRMANSHIP OF THE CHESHIRE CivAglilithe
sloNs.—lt is rumoured that, in consequence t
tinued indisposition of Trafford Trafford, D,,C,l'oter
venerable esteemed, and able chairman of the 'buy tile,
Sessions 'for this county, it is in contemPlati_e:npol°
magistracy to apply to the government for the
_rsaprf,
ment of a stipendiary magistrate, at a handsem.e.e, reet:
and that, out of compliment to the manifofd serl7 LeiP
dered to his character of chairman, the nefreop%tletotti•
Trafford, his eldest son, is mentioned as the 'lliad
intended to occuthe dignified station of stipe°
gistrate for Cheshire.—Stockport Advertiser• a, s,
GALLANT ittrx.—Sir W. M. Stanley's l'eunnxture Icnclss
most extraordinary run on Friday week: the he hoe
Two Mills. At .a few minutes after eleven t"
niedisteo,
were put into the Union Gorse; found imnithat
and rattled through .the covert in such a 0,0 per CePijog
pelted the fox to break away at an awful pace, °, 005'es-
burst, for Badger's Rake, bearing to the riill',ard
the high road towards Stanney Wood, but to° ',.,),ceffout
sed to enter; then turning again at a terrible ort tO
away for the Union again, through which he cc' ethe OdouS
lingering an instant, away for Shotwick, aloe-etrereeefrova
Blacon, where he was run to ground, after:Lance It
run of two hours and ten minutes. The °''iles' did
the find could not have been less than twentYeii sPle'
was worth going a hundred miles to see °-
hounds in such a run.

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miles
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f.JudyELLESMEREthe
(thoroughbred)
overalf
ra
mere, catch weights, came off on Tuesday, tators'
mo, in the presence of many hundred sPec witne't ea
bad assembled from all parts of the country "'they 0.01
Two false starts took place. The third time, 0 lea -coo'
beautifully, the Queen last on her legs, c
rtbeY bat'
down the hill at a rattlin pacer In this ordejdy
tinned twice round. The third and last time s bean rest
lenged her opponent about the distance chairlf. A gas g
race ensued, and beat her a length and a h,9,,d, it °ton,
deal of money was sported on the race: inue'of free
sporting affair throughout. A. W. Hill, Fisq' td•
was judge on the occasion. --Lie 61
re 55,,
THE GREAT WESTERN AND THE PRl'''. hog.'" wee.'
Hosken, the commander of theGreatWestera,
betsoa'l
a letter to a contemporary on the trial m arb
eErlcthese two vessels, the latter being fitted rj•tt was ndroP'
propeller. He says, " When we startcyrincetonao
speed ; in the course of a few minutes thebeld awB„Ygt ber
priegdmasatberrenansteaorflyuhs.er lsehnegthth.enShderewtheanrittqbebfroorea,_,,,o9:
shortly after gained what she had lost. benies"
beam and set her jib, and, very soon afterL,
u eved
ing our bows, her spanker; and then "' Ot, ske
and cajun topsails, in slow successiona .
the fa fraq
succession of sail increased her speed an „sto course
was leaving her opponent. The vvhole walebi the
the Battery to abreast Sandy Hook, by „ flees
the Princeton, I call fifteen miles diet tbe'
hGarveea tail:e'enstbeeranr, 'thirteenoutm y
first and
st
aat
ehma
el fi; t
very eulao
os et's; :100 de:
the Great Western was going nearly the or
half per hour, and would make the speed
rt"the seri tog
ton about eleven knots, a great triumph f°be seatr tball
propeller, whichever it may be called, ag t fast to
the Princeton passed the Great Western erg. no
the first, the wind right aft, and of littl
either, and both ships on an even keel. Arnkotst 001
VARIETY IN LIVERPOOL : 114 Forel;
8 G Liverpoolrico3:tTecsoh;we
ne2srsT; contains;r3e2nwcHh6i:Onsud,Wsoewto
,soFdlaes3l,ndcdl,l3so4:Padaci
bralksrael. r
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r313206u
:at
510:0:
al2n4
2sal ritrdsege2 Queen,So caknedt s 3;
Psrinc Churcheses,s p Dukes,
,21Ci earls,ea 51,
aLnaersc:ll:o da
otsir;es7;c7roowHs,a9llsßaonodks! W 1 Arch'
and 1
Sinker ; 6 Bucks and 3 Dandys ; 8 clacks, .1d 5
deacon, and 3 Deacons; 14 Parsons, 45, mots, at and
`,xton ; 5 Popes, 9 Abbotts,
196 Taylors, 12 Men, an
9 F or G ose"'
02 o .
• 20 Potters and 7 Potts lrarts i* igs'
2 Dar.l, r
and 3 Pecks ; 14 Pyes and
,s„,l J
Tina{ ; 1 Child, 3 Loves,
5 Pridesitss,
out; s2hciroros:
Coles, 0-)a 3
19 Cannel's,
unri, _. an s a' ro
" • :35 lid 1 on
0 Quil',
15 1
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