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reforms that may be necessary, you ttilAl
although the Established Church of Irelap'
tip united, with that of England, the peo"
pective circumstances will require a separate,
are are other subjects hardly less importal''
oe and welfare of Ireland, affecting the act'
ice, and the local taxation of that counttP
tion will also be required.
OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS,
• the estimates for the service of the year°
They will be framed with the most anxiot°
fal economy. Nothwithstanding the lartge
&stimates of the last year, .I am happy °
all the extraordinary services which the
mes required, have been amply provided fa,
avenue as compared with the public expe°_;
fully realised the expectations that. we'
of the last Session.

the Peace, had caused a great sacrifice of human life, for noob-
,`, as it appeared to him, than to snatch a single leaf from the
which encircle the head ef the noble and gallant duke (of
.;,e•
lit"Hletan) near him, he owned he felt but little confidence in
eetineed dispositien.of that government for peacre,. But, to
ig„ to the actual condition of the two nations. 1 here was
ke,,'°ovention, incomplete in its execution, and there was also
40,feirgo on the commerce of England and Holland ; and what
Phi„ was there of extricating ourselves from the difficulty ?
negotiation was between the King of the Netherlands and
hve great powers; and of these five no less than three had
fp,' Jed the recent proceedings to be unnecessary and unjust,
uatt, asserted that they would have no share in them. 'they
14,,, also declared, that any future negotiations could not, with
41: !oecurrence, take place, until a stop was put to the war.
11,44er to put an end to the present state of things, the con-
ee of the five powers was absolutely necessary; for the
lv"g- °f the Netherlands would never elmsent•to treat with
;iihof them onlv, and those two, as thev had proved themselves,
ttterest eneinies. He could not clO so: and it was, there-
that by some means, this fatal intervention
he indispensable,
end; to, before the. negotiation could advance
%Lisle step. (Hear, hear.) How, under such a conviction,
rfe he join in expressing a hope, in accordance with the
from the throne, that this affair would be speedily settled,
„,_eolariv when he recollected the hardi and unjust measure
t 4 had been resorted to against the King of the Netherlands?
leje were upon the table three goodly volumes of papers upon
htLiCbject, of which that in his hand formed
_one, containing
eeiTols, needs, notes, and other eorrespond,eQncueld.
eAst pnroobtole-
pi: had once asked what was a protocol?
k said his friend; to which he replied, "Quid est theme."
41.?wever, his friend did not know what a protocol was, it
fs," not be, at all events, from a deficiency of the manufacture
4,1° article'. (A laugh.) If he were to examine these volumes
ie hours, before their lordships, the result would be only
kore. effectuallv .to expose the inconsistency of all the
feedings which° had been founded upon them. •He
however, only odyert to one ; and he should be glad
fel7'w why the negociadon was ever carried one step fur er
tle,„the first treaty ? After the King of the Netherlands had
Ili,-Torled his ailies to mediate between himself and Belgiten—
e 4 country he lost by following the stipulations of his allies
kti'lB resolved that a separate existence should be given to Bel-
lew The allied powers, amongst themselves, without at all
the King of the Netherlands, came to conditions
k:rt.l they declared to be unalterable. Those conditions the
H 11 nd • c -epted without any change or reservation.
Lee o t.
1! _there were any thing like binaing conditions these should
leeZeen so, for the King of Holland was not even a party to
e, aking of them. The pardes to whom they era to be
tko,,sive were told, over and over again, that they ware im.
and that the five powers would not acknowledge any
le,.qc of Belgium uu.ess he acceded to those cond tiouF,
lere-the negotiations shouid have ended; but it did not do st .
Nepts the only treaty which all the great powers a,:-
'lll-; and it was, therefore, the only one which France and
fie,a,4,(l had a right to exact the performance of from the King
Vend. That Sovereign had made every sacrifice of his
Jtkilliai interests, but not those interests connectaenddws(i)thgrtheaet
!kr People which he had no right to sacrifice;
'tle't excitement in the minds of that people, that he doubted
firs f Holland had now in his power to comply with
eetiihe. treaty. Though he should. not propose any
teelent to that. part of the address to his Majesty, yet he
kik14,344 see that convention followed,up without recording his
41.h.,`e sentiments. He could not help now alluding to the
the Speech from the Throne with respect to 'Fur-
al In doing so, he would just read to their lordships what
ht °-7t, the language of his Majesty last year upon this sub-
,'l'l. 4 Was this
conduct of the Portuguese Government, and the repeated in-
bs .' which my subjects have been exposed, have prevented a
diplomatic relations with that kingdom. The state of
1,40" so long united with this by the. ties ot the most intimate
"r must necessarily be to me an object of the deepest interest.
?_1401.11 to Europe of the elder branch of the illustrious house of
and the dangers of a disputed succession, will require my.
Ittilalant attention to events, by which not only the safety of
t but the general interests of Europe, may be affected."
ki.:l4e down to the house, on the present occasion, anxious

AND GENTLEMEN,
the United Kingdom, with very few excer
ace has been preserved; and it will be your
I duty to promote by all practicable means,
n.d good older amongst the labouring classed

shall be ready to co-operate, to the utnao.El
viating all just causes of complaint, and ill
considered measures of improvement. 1311 t
tty to observe that the disturbances in Ire'
verted at the close of the last session, hacc

ibordination and violence has risen to the
, rendering life and property insecure, def; '
)f the law, and threatening the most falv
t promptly and effectually repressed.
that to your loyalty and patriotism I shad
1r assistance in these afflicting circumstances,
)e ready to adopt. such measures of salutari
entrust to me such additional powers as raj
for controlling and punishing the disturber'
, and strengthening the legislative union be'
entries, which, with your support, and under
vine Providence, I am determined to maill;
ans in my power, as indissolubly connected
tufty, and welfare of my dominions."
crowded with peeresses and ladies, in fal/
were not many peers present.
t the House about a quarter before three
ied to St. James's Palace in the same state'

eh had much increased, loudly cheered I
ed along.
ellor took his seat on the woolsack at five I
.me there was an exceedingly large asses''
ministerial benches being quite full.
afterwards moved that the usual sessioav
be read a first and second time. , I
ICELLOR then read the King's speech, whim
cl by the Clerk of the House.
:::01,1YNGH AM in moving an humble addrefe
answer to his Majesty's most gracious col°
house, stated it to be intention to supporta
rom whatsoever quarter they. came. (Loa
erting to the several topics relating to foreig°
the speech from the throue, and to the 0;
eient church reform—such as was calculate',
proceeded to touch upon that portion 01
ing Ireland. Connected with it as he o°,
feetion, he couid not but look with great
r affected that unhappy country. Torn bf
iction—the arena for every heartless dews'
hoped such measures would be introduced
from its distresses. Obedience to the law•
be enforced, and he had no doubt but tb,L4,
afford the means to maintain the pubb°
to hear that part of his Majesty's speeeP
his determination to maintain to the utinaet
between Ireland and the other parts of hi/
is. (Loud cheering.) A dismembermeat
Id be a deathblow to Ireland. Whilst be

a seat i that house, his voice should be no' pretext now. List year it was the
ses'w whatwould be the
inst then epeal of the union. (Loud cheers.) tl
'tee- injuries towards
n, ;u
There was no such
ided by moving an humble address to 13i V43tt atl the present occasion but they were told that the
as usual, a mere echo of the speech. , ste-4-1' still continued. In the year 1.83 U, when his Majesty
in seconding the motion of the noble mars" e :Bed his intention of renewing his relations with Portugal,
wished it to be most distinctly understood ibe 'colleagues of the noble earl said that such renewal
t sincerely in every one of the liberal ex' thsesert much too long delayed—he alluded to the Chancellor
at noble lend. A .c 4 ''xchequer. He wouid not enter into thepersonal charac-
DEEN said lie could not give an unqualified 4 ,triLe King of Portugal ;he might deserve ail that had been
moved by the noble marquess. 'the speec- tali.. ems ; but of this he felt quite satisfied, that, whatever
led a wide field for discussion, which it waor thsti".--1Y said of one, might with equal justice be applied also
enter upon extensively. TO some parts i,)a ttlitiotfier.. (Alaugh.) This was a different question alto-
his entire assent ; upon others he would t„t,tes from the dispute between Holland and Belgium. The
:ever; but every one must have heard with sts, i"„4Be, he admitted, was full Of difficulties ; but the diffi-
Majesty's determination to resort to meiv 41,--raiss
andity and to establish the dominion of the ofd case of Portugal had been entirely cleated by the
k'rsds Opposite. It might all have been ended by a single
asurss to effect these objects he would s
ag too nicely with whim they. originate" leis' l'ln that word perfectly consistent with the honour and
l'i loteht'sts of Great Britain. He would ask the noble earl
vever, must be accompanied with many re- ts„,.--g this state of things was to continue ? The contest in
he saw it was proposed to deal with the, witZutry,
of Ireland by a separate measure, he hove' , this it was notorious, was kept up by persons connects
, -is country, and with funds awl munitions drawn from
I also pause. He forbore to enlarge upon the Lls,,. although-it had silted the views of the miuisters to
what the measures were that would be pre " 1 lithe e Speech of his Majesty, from the throne, designate and
eed then to notice those parts of the addle' It'
Se common sense of the people would easily civil war. (Hear.) He denounced that unnatural
t 'hest 48 a war of Jews and jobbers. , He conjured the noble
d that we are not at war with Holland; tbB- 'at4l3-4 bse valued the interests, commercial and political, of
ai exuberance offaney; and that the capture e (1,. ritain, in the Peninsula, to put au end to this monstrous
sr a judicial process than a war. But wild;
,ered",b-ings in the kingdom of Portugal. 'lt already had
.shal (Gerard) say.? Alter capturing ths 'fled 'easgiand with opprobrium, and occasioned her to be
he takes the garrison prisoners, and
r now remain in France. Perhaps the!'
fil 1'41.1 4all(Faisgraced in the eyes of foreign powers. (Hear.)
tls -JILT, in rising to reply to the noble earl who had just
risoners of peace. (Ilear, hear.) In tile '4:l'l.7aid it was not his intention to follow that noble earl
rifle .was we have laid an embargo ell the his long and desultory speech. Indeed he had hoped
would just request their lordships to loo' • ssi h",,nohle earl would have refrained from entering upon the
piences. An embargo has been laid le eh,ll,ef the vast variety of topics which his protracted
i friendly state, and he wished to know otel ehe embraced, until a more fitting opportunity should
considered an embargo an act pert role . o",,Qsa 4
presented, by the documents connected with the va-
a war. (Hear, hear, hear.) `'here . tiPtlations to which the noble earl had alluded bein" laid
ere the injury ? Reprisal it cannot lt ed `'r lordship's' table, which his Majesty had
.justiy in-
ma the opposition benches.) upol ea
lelBl, he had commanded to be done without dotty. The
n, had this proceeding taken place '"
" '
li nad given him (Earl Grey) credit for having at heart
pon the paper which was to be laid ben,' 'e
a°l.lr and interests of the country, but insinuated that
treaty between Great Britain and Fiance. iisfr'ers were influenced by motives of personal vanity and
By this treaty the surrender of Antwere tit ee• He wished the noble earl had expressed whom he.
is, but it was to be surrendered in ace' tsAttlore explicitly. (Cheers.) The noble person to whom,
and under what eircemstances we ha I t°: t(h. it, the noble earl meant to allude (Lord Palmerston, it
tisN
:iations he was at a loss to imagine. ' thePosed,):was as incapable of any act that was at variance
Ts had declared that the confetence was e'
,Sqte best interests of the pountry, even as the noble earl
:he five powers had taken a different vie tc'titi (cheers) ; 'and his great sagacity and ability in con-
English governments. . The conic; ence 0 kis.lß difficult matters, involving conflictink, interests, must be
sh government had maintained that Alit' IlilitlVledged by all who had seen, as he (Earl Grey) had, the
n the hands of the Dutch. Seeing that "le kien of those qualities that so eminently belonged to the
his proceeding the execution of the Licari . 4 siitsrson in question. If he had erred, he had erred in coin-
ss to be reli:a upon, he presumed the 04 '' him (Earl Grey) and all the rest of his colleagues, for
he 13th article of that treaty, which ge3,l It.‘‘o,a tneasure of his they had. almost fully concurred.
,f eight millions four hundred thedsp iiN not follow the exampie'of the noble earl in attributing
iy we were parties, we engage, n0f,4,1)- ts'4,,kauethers ; but, if he could imagine a person who felt
iut that we will see this money ".I,"er In'stit st,-- etilharrass the government at home—to continue the
tracted for the employment of an' °‘,4,--at ;"4111)e-"kr of affairs with relation to Holland and Belgium—
for instance,—the employment of 17,-d -441I'se 'Natments, to create discontent and disgust, (Cheers)
ct might suffice ; but having guaratir-i lets% tha'S it appeared to him, could be better pursued by such
I be paid, we were holm& to see ju'lLtd- ' - (tf,mkl that which the noble earl had laid down for him-
is to enforce it. The King of peigniu,
are day,—" I have remitted taxes hi-, a, solders.) -what good purpose, he would ask the noble
.y fructify in the.p.ockets of my subjec_rs• tvrth4t h` the present disemision answer? Yet he (Earl Grey)
rang 'th : Must say something in answer to the noble earl.
we are bound to its fulfilment according
ar and good faith.— It.via's must essential .414')sea-' had the -present government found the question of
rtaistst'd Holland when they came into office ? They found
olland should know now how this ua-
-8 . ail-ee then existing which had separated the two coma-
ed. It was not sufficient that the debt ti the
.ora the great book of Belgium to that of :beet tier‘,_noble duke at the head of the late administration
the treaty between France and England I "'mar— that the re-union of those countries was a thing
1 ster itriPossible. Thus situated, what was the duty. of
le had no knowledge but its' execution.
i extent, compelled the Dutch.to nom bBttsh?s Why to take up the work as they found it, and niake.
terts-"'"d they could of it, with their best abilities to establish
ore this the Scheldt was open to all the , e 0
eel to the French, English, and Belgian=' Intit independence of Belgium. He (Earl they) was
ilidel"lcin that it was for the interest of Holland itself that
I captured Antwerp, and an. English I
,s i,,tekndence should be established, and he had the iiis,cur-
glish ports all the Dutch vessels he could
°lla -44 t °Pinion of some good authorities, namely, the
were unsuspecting and unprepared for bilo rY 1-le Witt and King William the Third, who differed
5 contest Holland. had gained all the ho; 14 i.st every other poiot.' The noble earl said that Belgium
it, and England the 'disgrace, (LOU,e. L u at
es: liable subject to be over run by France; . but would
!ct, except a love of war, could Front
me, seeing that, without war, she costa i"
4 "able to that fate when she had an independent ex-
iss.B she would be with a discontented population, to whom
I from the 'condescension of his Maies- • tii"Dendence was denied ? Did the stale earl wish to
's.) All her wants might have been IP; 4i45 boundary of France extended to the frontiers of
to war; but he could not help thinklu7 ally , Much had been said about Holland as our old friend
ar did actuate the present ministry 0e ils but had Holland always stood in those relations to us?
3at the head of that ministry. Franc t lisje last and most important wars in which this country
sion of Algiers without a war, or withou, 1',511' engaged she had sided with our enemies, already
ies on the subject; she had also made ' 1-5 at ,8, enough ;in the American war, for instance, when we
if report spoke truly, was about to aUg. ti it'ur superiority at sea—when Plymouth was blockaded
France was permitted, too, to send 4a r tolllting enemy, every hour expected to land—when one
to Lisbon, against our ancient ally, alit„, '1 sii`''Ps of war was captured in sight of the shore, and our
eaties; and not only was all this perra.it il/41teriority was only reasserted and assumed by the
er triumPhs, she was allowed to cato rea,tvg,etory. off the Dogger Bank by Admiral Parker. In
ai, an acqUisition that would have grate,., ske
renal war, insh appeal to the experience of all
an of Marlboroueh. What, then, could , s r
t,hB who served i Holland, notwithstanding the inere-
so long as the comnlaisance of the nob!f
Apt
of the noble earl, whether the population of
5.,' to saciifice,to their love of' peace eye.s_
-st tht---s„ not hostilely co-operate with the French army
h Jul
ire to obtain Still, looking to the in
te 441 ;e liritish army ? He mentioned this to show that, if
vernment, and beholding in that minis
ki(le 'iliurieg had been inflicted, they had not been all on
ment *hen he had in his pocket the lacw ' 4_B respected Holland and this country. lie acknow-