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HOUSE OF LORDS, TUESDAY, JUNE 18.

The nyal assent was given by commission to the Consolidat.
ed Fuld Bill, the Stafford Election Witnesses Indemnity
Bill ; tie London Police Bill; and several private bills. The
Commisioners were—the Lord Chancellor, the Earl of Ripon,
and th( Duke of Richmond.
Mr. Abercrombie, and others from the House of Commons,
brough up the Edinburgh Improvement Bill, and three private
bills, wiich were severally read a first time.

ST. LUKE'S POOR BILL.
LoreWEsTEitti moved the second reading of this bill, the ob-
ject ofshich was, he stated, to lower the qualification of indi-
victual! claiming a right to vote for vestrymen, and thereby ex-
tendirg the constituency.
Afta a few words from Lord.WYNFoan and the Earl of SUP-
FOLK. the house divided. The numbers were—
Fa the second reading.. 7 I Against it.. 18 I Majority..ll
Ile Stamp Duties on Advertisements Bill was read a second
time.—Adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, TUESDAY, JUNE 18.
Tlr gallery was opened at a platter past twelve o'clock.
Mr PARKER presented a petition from the COrporation of
Cutlers at Sheffield, on the subject of a claim due to them from
the fanish government upon some transactions which took place
during the war.
Mt BUCKINGHAM supported the petition.
It leing three o'clock when the hon. member sat down, the
iou- liourned

house adjen..
Tit Speaker resumed the chair at ten minutes to five o'clock
M'. 03CoNNELL presented a petition from various inhabitants
of tit kingdom against the grant of £20,000,0(X) to the West
Inch,. proprietors. The petitioners denied that any injury would
be inflicted on the slave-owners to warrant such a grant, and
asserted the inability of the country to sustain the burden. The
hon. and learned member gave notice of a motion, in the com-
mittee on. the Tithes t Ireland) Bill, to compel the tithe-owners
to pay the costs of suits wantonly or maliciously instituted under
pretence of' recovering tithes due in the year 1833. He gave
notice of a motion on Thursday for a select committee to inquire
into-the propriety of constructing a ship canal between Dublin
and Kingstown. He also gave notice that on Tuesday, the 25th
inst., lie should move for leave to bring in &bill to amend the
act tf 2 and 3 William IV., c. 59, entitled "An Act for the
Amendment of the Representation of the People in Ireland."—
The hon. and learned gentleman moved for an abstract of the
return made in pursuance of the order of the 13th of February,
with respect to tithes in Ireland. He also moved for certain
returns connected with the registration of voters in Ireland, and
stated his intention to bring before the house the conduct of
Mr. Hobson, assistant barrister for the county of Tipperary,
who had aced irregularly in the registration of freemen for the
borough of Clonmel.
On the motion of Mr. O'CONNELL, the second reading of the
Oarickfergin Disfranchisement Bill was postponed till Tuesday

uext. : RATES AND TAXES -QUALIFICATION.
Colonel EVANS moved for leave to bring in a bill to amend

so much of the Reform Act as related to the payment of rates
and taxes as a qualification for exercising the elective franchise.
Lord ALTUORP wished to abstain from making alterations in
the Reform Act during the present session, and until the work-
ing of the approaching registration should be observed. The
object of the clause to which the hon. and gallant member ob-
jected was to tiford a satisfactory proof of occupancy. He was
aware that at the last election its effect had been to restrict the
exercise of the elective franchise snore than was intended or
expected; but lie thought that objection would not apply to the
next registration. It was partly owing to the mode of col-
lecting rates, atul partly in consequence of the carelessness or
imperfect information of electors, that the constituency had
been so limited under this clause ; but neither of those causes
were likely to operate again ; and he did not think that, in the
registration about to commence, there would be found that di-
minution of voters in consequence of non-qualification of which
the hon. and gallant member complained. The hon. gentleman
stated that hundreds and thousands of voters had had their
rates paid for them by candidates ; he (Lord Althorp) was not
at all aware of that, and thought that the hon. and gallant
member's information on the subject was fallacious, or greatly
exaggerated. Under the former system rates could be paid at
the tune of polling, which was evidently encouragement to cor-
ruption; but now that taxes were required to be paid by a cer-
tain day distant from the time of election, a material obstruction
was thrown in the way of bribery. He apprehended, even
taking the hon. member's statement as to what had occurred at
the last registry to be correct, that a similar result would not
occur at the next registry. The object of the clause which the
hon. member now sought to alter was that the occupiers of £lO
houses claiming a right to vote therefrom, should be bona fide
the occupiers of such houses. Whatever might be the amount
of qualification giving the elective franchise, it would be admit-
ted by every one that precautions should be taken so as to pre-
vent the privilege from being acquired by fraudulent means.
Now, the object of this clause was to prevent persons who pre-
tended to occupy a house of a certain value, which it was not,
from acquiring the right of voting. He felt bound, from expe-
rience of the working of the bill in this respect, and upon gene-
ral principle, to oppose the motion of the hon. member.
Colonel EVANS replied. lie had heard no satisfactory reply
from the noble lord to the objections which he had stated to the
clause referred4o iu the Reforn), Bill. The conduct of his Ma-
jesty's ministers, in resisting this motion, was not calculated to
increase their popularity in the country. He felt compelled to
go to a division on the motion.
The house then divided—
For the motion 24
Againd it. Bl
Majority GO

CORN LAWS.
Mr.}lotElt, after presenting a petition from the inhabitants
of Wolverhampton, praying for a repeal, or at least consider-
able alteration, of the corn laws, proceeded with his motion for
leave to bring in a bill to alter and amend act 9 Geo. IV., c. 60,
commonly called the Corn Law. Radical reformer as he was,
lie did not seek to pull down the aristocracy, or to dethrone
the King; all that he aimed at was to obtain for the people
emplovnient and bread, and he wished to effect that object by
repealing one of those bad laws which had been made in that
house by a landed oligarchy in despite of the people. The corn
laws prevented us from exporting our manufactures to corn-
growing countries in exchange for their corn, and limited our
consumption of corn. The opening the trade to China would
only render tea cheaper; it would effect no other good, as we
could not send manufactures there; but we could send our
manufactures to corn-growing countries if we were allowed to
take their corn in exchang.e. In the year 1815, when that bad
bill was brought forward, it was opposed by Lord Grenville on
the principles of justice. It was then supported on the princi-
ple of expediency; it was supported by such expediency- fories
as the right hon. baronet the once member for the University of
Oxford, who one day resisted emancipation on
.principle, and
then voted for it on the ground of expediency; it was on that
principle the corn law was supported—on the principle of bas-
tard Tories—of Tories who had been bred on a dunghill. ( Much
laughter.) He was not one of those who would take off taxes
so as to violate the public credit, or in such a way as would pre-
vent the government from doing all the good they could; and
he would therefore say, tax all the luxuries of life—tea, coffee,
sugar, tobacco, &c., but let the people have their labour free,
and ~ret in exchange for it cheap food; tax those luxuries, but
let the industrious classes have cheap bread. What was the
reform bill for, but to break the neck of the boroughmongering
landed oligarchy of the cotultry ? Yet, though much was pro-
mised by the reform- bill, nothing had as yet been done. The
noble lord opposite (Lord Althorp) could nut tell to-day
what he meant to do to-morrow. (A laugh.) Oh ! said the
honourable mernber, with peculiar emphasis, there must not
be this vacillating—it would not do. (Renewed laughter.)
But before he sat down he must say a word or two to his Ma-
jesty's ministers. (" Hear," and a laugh.) Some time ago
they had agitated the country from one end to the other,—they
had indirectly, if not directly, encouraged political unions,—
had advised the King to dissolve the Parliament,--had told the
bishops to put their house in order, and, to crown the whole,
they had (to use the slang term of the day) swamped the House
of Peers. For what had all this been done? The government
had answered, "Why, for reform." But he begged to ask where
the reform was, or in what it consisted? Surely there was no
reform in the Irish coercion bill? (Hear.) There was no reform
in the Irish Church Temporalities Bill; in short, there had not
been a single measure brought forward that would benefit the
people of England. The expediency. Tories were laughing,
jeering, and sneering at their adversaries opposite, and crying
out to them: "That they had got the bill, the whole bill, and
nothing but the bill." (Loud laughter.) True it was that the
people had got nothing but the bill. (Renewed laughter.) There
was now, it was well known,. a strong impression abroad that
affairs could not remain as they were at present; great appre-
hensions were entertained of a great and sudden change.. The
country stood now, as it were, upon a Vesuvius, and there, must
either he reform or revolution. lie sought by his present motion,
which Was for leave to bring in a bill to amend the act 9 Geo.
IV, c. 60, commonly called the Corn Law, to return back to the
system which prevailed in the year 1791, when the country
• thsurbihea and prospered.. He should hope the nolyie herd opptr
site (Lord Althorp) entertained something of the same opinion
on this subject as himself, at least lie was sure that the right
*hon. gentleman the Vice-President of the Board of Trade ought
to do so, for if lie (Mr. Fryer) lied read the right hon. gentle-
man's speech correctly, he had. at Manchester hoisted the flag
of free trade.
Mr. Ht ikie seconded the motion.
laird ALTHORP thought that the question having already
been fully discussed during the present session of Parliament,
it was not now necessary to enter into another discussion upon
it, particularly as the hon. gentleman must be aware that the
ground of the former decision of the house upon the motion of
the lion. gentleman's colleague was not a direct rejection of the
motion, but merely that at the present time it was rot desirable
to enter into it. He was ready to tell the hon. gentleman that
his (Lord Althorp's) own opinion accorded with many of the
statements which had been made by the hon. gentleman, but
he differed from him in the mode in which he proposed to deal
with the subject. He should not now enter into any argument
on the topics introduced by the hon. member, but should do
that which he bad done on a former occasion when the question
was introduced—namely, move the previous question.
Mr. AGLIONBY supported the motion, because he thought
that means might be devised to assist the consumer without in-
juring the grower of corn:
The house then divided. The numbers were—
For the motion 47
Against it .
Majority —23
SUNDAY IN SCOTLAND.
Before the gallery was opened,
Sir A. AGNEW moved for leave to introduce a bill to amend
the laws relating to the observance of the Sabbath in Scotland.
Lord ALTHORP said he would not object to the motion, buthe
really thought it would be occupying the time of. the house un-
necessarily to bring in the bill, as there was no probability of
it'being passed, even if the house should be favourable to it,
this session.
Sir A. AGNEW said he wished not to introduce any new law,
but merely to amend the existini,,• laws.
The house then divided, and the numbers were—
. Ayes 73
Noes
60
Majority
PRISONERS 1W CORK GAOI..
Mr. RoNAYN moved for "copies of all memorials to the
Irish Government from the prisoners confined iu the gaol of
the county of COrk, under sentence of the judge of assize at
the last autumn circuit, for offences connected with tithes ; and
of all communications made on the subject of every such me-
morial by the Hon. Judge Moore; and of all letters from the
Irish Government in reply to any such memorial to any pri-
soner, or to the sheriff of the county of Cork.; and of the letter
or letters of such sheriff to the Irish Government on such sub-
ject ; and of all communications between the Irish Govern-
ment and the gaol committee of the county of Cork on the said
subject" •
Mr. LITTLETON had no objection to the production of the

papers moved for by the lion. member, with one exception—
the private letter of Mr. Justice Moore. He was confident
that the result of the production of the correspondence would
be the satisfactory exculpation of the Irish Government.
The motion was accordingly agreed to, with the above-men-
tioned exception.
Mr. PHILLIPS postponed his motion relative to the corpora-
tion franchise of Liverpool till the 4th of July. The hon. mem-
ber did so at the request of Lord Althorp, founded on the
anxiety of ministers to forward the Irish Church Bill with the
least possible delay.
The house then went into committee on the
IRISH CHURCH TEMPORALITIES BILL.
Clauses 39 to 90 were agreed to, with the exception of the
64th, which was postponed; when the Chairman reported pro-
gress, and obtained leave to sit again.
Mr. PEASE wished to ask the noble Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer whether there was any foundation for the report that
he had abandoned his intention of proceeding with the proposed
bill for regulating country banks during the present session ?
Lord ALTHORP replied, that it was his decided intention to
press both bills through-during the present session.
Mr. PEASE further inquired if it was his lordship's intention
to require from private bankers, whether issuing their own
paper or Bank of England notes,i a certain investment in
government or other approved securities, in like manner as had
been proposedin joint-stock banks?
Lord ALTHORP said that he had no intention of interfering
with private banks. The only direct operation he contemplated
on private banks was to compel them to compound for their
stamp duties.
Mr. H UTT inquired what his lordship's motive was for placing
joint-stock banks in so unfavourable a position as regarded the
investment of securities in relation to private banks ?
Lord ALTHORP said that au answer to the inquiry would ne-
cessarily lead him into a long explanation, for which he should
be prepared at the proper time.
Mr. H urr remarked that he had no object or private curiosity
—he asked the question from a knowledge that there were par-
ties already in town who felt a deep interest in every part of
this question.

APOTHECARIES' BILL.

Mr. LAMB, in mo;iing.the-;Lier of the day for the second
reading of the Apothecaries' Bill, said that he had communicated
with several of the public bodies connected with this bill, and
he should therefore merely ask the house to allow it to be read a
second time pro forma, in order that it might be committed.
After an observation from Mr. Warburton,
The bill was read a second time and committed.
The house resumed, and the report was ordered to be taken
into further consideration on Monday.
The other orders of the day were d►sposed of, and the house
adjourned at a quarter to two o'clock.