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entirely upon the council. Without entering upon the
question of the legality of the iustitutio I, if there were
objections to him individually, the Council had only to
request him to withdraw his name from the Committee,
and he would immediately do so. He considered, how-
ever, that he was as loyal a subject as any man in Liver-
pool, that he was as independent in character and action
as asy member of that council, and as able to per-
form the duties confided to him ; and he trusted that,
having been connected with public boards for a period
of twelve or fourteen years, he had never neglected his
duty. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. HIGGINS said he would abide by the decision of
the Town-Clerk. If he stated the Orange Society was
not illegal, he would be satisfied ; but it had recently been.
stated that the Orange Society in Ireland was illegal, and
for ought he (Mr. Higgins) knew to the contrary, the
English society might be a branch of the same body.
Mr. HARBORD: I belong to no illegal society. (Hear,
hear.)
Mr. HIGGINS said he went upon the principle, that any
person belonging to an illegal society was not a fit person
to have the conduct of the police force entrusted to his
management.
Mr. HARBORD: I repeat that I do not belong to any
illegal society.
Mr. PROCTER asked whether it was competent for the
Council to discuss the legality or the illegality of the
Orange body ? If Mr. Harbord was competent to be a
member of the Council, he was surely qualified to be a
member cf the Watch Committee.
The TowN CLERK said he could not answer the
question of legality, unless he had before him the rules
of the society of which Mr. Harbord was a member.
Mr. H ARBOB.D : They were laid before the late Town
Clerk.
Mr. GLAZEBROOK : Mr. Higgins, have you read the
rules of the society ?
Mr. HIGGINS : I have not. (Hear.)
Mr. HARBOB.D: Will you, then, venture positively to
assert that I belong to an illegal society ? (Hear, hear.)
Mr. HIGGINS did not answer this question.
Mr. AIKIN said the question was how far Mr. Harbord
could, whilst he was chairman of this society, impartially
perform his duties as a member of the Watch Committee.
Mr. RATHBONE stated that the Orange association in
Ireland had lately had a meeting, at which they acknow-
ledged the association was an illegal society ; and they
were now re-composing their rules, so as to make the
society, if possible, a legal body. He (Mr. Rathbone)
had not beard if this had been accomplished. He was
bound to assume that the Orange society i❑ England and
Ireland were the same ; if, therefore, it was illegal in
Ireland, as declared by its own leaders, it could not be
legal in England.
[ Mr. CHALMER took the same view.
r The council then divided, when there appeared—
; For Mr. Harbord's election .... .... 45
Against it .... . • • ••... 11

Majority for Mr. Harbord .... 34
The votes were recorded as follows :—For : Councillors
Shand, Atherton, Shaw, Thornhill, Hill, Littledale, jun.,
Middleton, Stewart, Tinne, Henderson, Robinson, Toul-
min, Aspinall, Royden, Sothern, G. G. Hornby, Wood,
Birkett, Pemberton, Reade, Kaye, Procter, Kilshaw, J.
B. Lloyd, Parker, Plumpton, G. H. Lawrence, Booker,
Lace, Glazebrook, Jones, Harbord, and Mann; and Al-
dermen Houghton, Horsfall, Sir T. Brancker, Turner,
Sands, Swainson, Crook, Nicol, Bramley-Moore, Moly-
neux, Leigh, Chilton, and Lawrence : 45.—Against :
Councillors Brancker, Rathboi:e, Chalmer, Preston, H.
Hornby, Aikin, Higgins, Earle, J. Hornby, and Thomas
Lloyd: 11.
The following committees were then appointed without
eliciting any discussion of importance :
IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEE.—Messrs. Plumpton, Hill,
Jones, Bushby, Tinne, Kilshaw, Pemberton, Nicol,
Robinson, Earle, Stewart.
COURTS OF LAW CommlTTEE.—Messrs. Turner, Tinne,
Earle, Molyneux, Plumpton, Hill, Aspinall, Stewart,
Lloyd.
MARKETS COMMITTEE.—Messrs. Aspinall, James Law-
rence, Kilshaw, Robinson, Parker, Middleton, Evans,
Kaye, Toulmin.
Mr. MOLYNEUX proposed the following gentlemen as
the Education Committee.
EDUCATION COMMITTEE.—Thomas Chilton, Crook,
Glazebrook, Harbord, G. G. Hornby, T. B. Horsfall,-"'
R. Houghton, sen., Thomas Kay, G. H. Lawrence, F.
Shand, Shaw, Swainson, Hill, Reade, Molyneux.
Mr. HiootNs, after some remarks in opposition to the
present system of education in the Corporation Schools,
moved that they be forthwith sold.
The MAYOR intimated that this motion could not be
entertained to-day.
Mr. AIKIN recommended the withdrawal of the mo-
tion, and intimated that if it were persisted in at another
time Mr. Higgins would not stand alone.
The motion was then withdrawn, and the committee
appointed.
The following committees were then appointed :
GAOL.—Messrs. J. Aiken, J. Lawrence, John Holrne,
Hugh llornby, T. Sands, Richard Houghton, Evans.
Earle, Rathbone.
TOWN HALL ESTABLISHMENT.—The Mayor, Sir T.
Brancker, Joseph Hornby, J. B. Moore, Anthony
Swainson.
HEALTH OF THE TOWN CONIMITTEE.—The Mayor,
James Braneker, Thomas Chalmer, Harbord, Alderman,
Houghton, R. L. Jones, Kaye, Kilshaw, Lace, Parker,
Southorn, Tinne, Toulmin, Rathbone, Reade, Birkett.
GARDENS COMMITTEE.—Messrs. Henderson, Jones,
Thomas Lloyd, Preston, Royden, Thornhill, R. S. Crook.
BOROUGH COURT AND COURT OF BRQUESTS.—Messrs.
Lace, J. B. Lloyd, Pemberton, Procter, Crook, Chalmer,
Bushby, Rathbone.
CHURCH EXPENDITURE. Messrs. Birkett, Griffith,
Lace, Molyneux, Reade, Shaw, G. G. Hornby.
OBSERVATORY COMMITTEE. Messrs. James Aiken,
Chilton, Hill, Alderman Houghton, ;Nicol, Plumpton
Shand, Tyrer, Higgins.
FIRE COMMITTEE.—The Mayor,
Aiken, Bushby, G. G. Hornby, H. Hornby, _
Shand, J. Stewart, Anthony Swainson, Turner, Nicol.
SPECIAL COMMITTEE, &C. —J. B. Moore, Nicol,
Hornby, Mann, Tyrer, Aiken, Horsfall,
LANDING STAGES AND FERRIES CONIMITTEE. (Spe-
cial.)—Aiken, J. N. Wood, Thomas Royden, J. Stewart,
Evre Evans, Atherton, Mann.
Mr. ASPINALL moved the increase of the salary of Mr.
Stonehouse, superintendent of Gill-street Market, from
£l2O to £l6O per annum.
Mr. EVANS, Mr. TURNER, and Mr. KILSHAW bore
h'gh testimony to the good conduct of Mr. Stonehouse,
and said he was one of the most efficient servants of the
corporation.—The motion for the increased salary was
unanimously carried.
Mr. MOLYNEUX moved the appointment of Alice
Hardcastle to the situation of second-mistress of the
North School, at a salary of £45 per annum, and of Jane
Gore as assistant-mistress, at a salary of £3O per annum,
and also the appointment of Sarah Jenkins to the situa-
tion of head-mistress of the South School, at a salary of
£6O per annum, the consideration of which was post-
poned at the special council on the 20th ultimo.
Mr. CHALMF.R opposed the appointment of the two
assistant mistresses on financial grounds, and undertook
to show, on a future occasion, that other schools of the
same description were carried on at half t 4-
The motion was not seconded, and.
cation, the council adjourned a lit"

Sir T. Brancker,

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IRELAND WILL

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Our countrymen on the other side of the channel are
proverbial for their dependence upon others to do for
them what an energetic and.common-sense people would
at once set about doing for themselves. At the present
moment they are threatened with a famine, by the partial
loss of their potatoe crop ; and they are already calling
upon England's charity, and upon the favour of govern-
ment, by relaxing in their behalf the import duties upon.
foreign food, to save them from starvation. In the mean
time what are they doing to help themselves? Tue fol-
lowing paragraph, from a letter of the Times " Commis-
sioner," dated Limerick, Nov. 3, will furhish the an-

"Ii is known that exposure of the potatoes to the

dries up t.' e diseased sap on their surface, and arrests their de-
cay. it is also known that putting them through quick lime
has the same effect. The people, too, generally, know how to
grate the potatoe into water and save the farina or starch,
which, when mixed with flour, or even alone, makes wholesome
bread, and will keep for years. The sound part' of the diseased
potatoe may thus be saved. Unless the disease be arrested, it
rapidly destroys the whole potatoe. Now. with the knowledge
of these facts and famine before them, it will hardly be con-
ceived in England that Saturday last, a fine, bright, sunshiny
day, when the potatoes might have been exposed to the wind
and sun, and the worst grated into flour, was proclaimed as a
holiday (no doubt for some good purpose), and not a man was
to be seen at work in the whole county, whilst theirpotatoes were
rotting ! Some even will net take the trouble to dig them, be-
cause they are diseased, though there is not a question about it,
but much of them, though rotten, may be saved. The town of
Limerick was like a fair. There were thousands of people idling
about in the streets, and at night getting up party fights, and
they were leaving their food, which, in a few months, they will
be begging from England, to rot for want of exertion, Lecaude
ii Was a holiday I"
Humiliating as is the ignorance and fatuity here evinced
by the peasantry, we are still more struck with the wick-
edness of these by whom they are led and to whom they
look up for advice. The " holiday" thus kept, whilst
starvation was looking the revellers in the face, was a
religious holiday !—one of those pretexts which the priest-
hood of Rome multiply to enable them to drain the pock-
ets of their unprovided flocks. Could its celebration not
have been dispensed with at such a crisis as the present,
or is the famine, which such trifling is calculated to in-
crease, to be made an instrument for working out Romish
and rebellious designs ?

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Curelli, and an exquisite tenor singer, will appear. M.
Inforani
J. Thomas, a pupil of J. B. Chatterton, Esq., will play
learn is only about 8 years of age, and whose performances
on the aceordeon, bare not only aroused the admiration
but the astonishment of those who have heard her, wig
hung in various devices, and the
A splendid display of fireworks, got up in the same ex-
cellent style as those shewn at the Zoological Gardens
during the past season, was given by Mr. Atkins, on the
lamps, hung
was numerous, seemed highly
" fifth of November," on the grounds of T. Bold, Esq.
Tae Brook, West Derby. The gardens were decorated
cwoimthpcsonlyouirnevditleadm,
delighted.
y, was yesterday committed
noen a charge of having stolen,
Bonnuarss FROM SHOPS. A young well-dressed
James K a
Rushton,r
from a shop in Church-street, a web of silk, of the value
of .C 25, and which was traced to his possession. Other
valuable silks were also found to have been in the posses-
sion of the prisoner, and were supposed to be the pro-
perty of Messrs. Woolwright and Co., Bold-street, but
could not be distinctly sworn to.
CoNcEn.T—lt will he seen by our Advertisinz columns,
rinalambyedNiJra.
that a Concert at which Al. H. Decal, a pupil of Sig.
several fantasias on the harp. Miss George, who we
make her appearance. Mrs. Harvey Pardy, Miss Kelly,
and others are announced. We hope to see the [Lase
veil filled. , tie'', 41----
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