The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1843-05-26 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MoNDAy

Sir J. GRAHAM said he had received the answer of the
General Assembly of the Church of Scotland to her Ma-
jesty's letter, accompanied by an intimation that 93 endowed
ministers, and a number of quoad sacra ministers had
seceded from the assembly. The Government would how-
ever act up to their recorded declarations, and be governed
br their observation of the proceeding of the Assembly as
to any remedial measures which they might propose to the
clehguisrclahture with a view to relieving the difficulties of the
resTuhmeeaddbjyourned debate on the Canada Corn Bill was then
Mr. Vs- onEsionsE, who was opposed to such perpetual
meddling with the corn law question, the only thirst of
which would be to discourage the British agriculturist, and
plunge the conntry into an awkward position at some future
period.
Mr. E. ELLzcit said that a tax on the food of the people
was the worst tax that could possibly be devised, and, iu his
poeptiintiioonn., Britishe
thoughtagric thatultur in the y
e had nothing
es 1 tols
thefe fear
questionsrfroill co
ofm-
corn and currency might have been dealt with together, bill
that time was passed, and he trusted the standard of our cur
rency was fixed for ever. The Canada Corn Bill he
from
upon as a measure of free trade between England and Cr.,acia ,
take
t the
bill
f as
om th
it
and though he disliked some of the restrictions by which it
was accompanied, he was yet willing to
first step to something better. He was convinced that one
year's experience of the operation of the bill would convince
the opponents of free trade that their apprehensions
were entirely groundless.

in his expecte-
cis.tosBs.,
sof last year, for instead
48s.
He
w.., it was at the present
the Britishfa thof
passed,tl
Mr. Boo( Said he had been disappointed
apprehensive of the
ted that the Govern-
ment ifo nkse
keeping
ithhge
eorh operation
at froofm the
5 corn
not vote for ai
still further the valute
ielnglieshcould
subjects,
e c country-
r wouldy
ht the bill would place the people of
moment from 445. to
effects of the proposed bill, andtdimr
mrneeanstosrheohualdvihnagvae
tienntrdoednuccyetfol i
o f
Lord agricultural
s A s n opsr produce.
Canadalr.Fo. nßAthe i
Nsame a i footingif
fs
be extremely beneficial to the colony.
pledged to this measure it ought to bewas
it might be, for nothing could be worse tan however bad
great and powerful country. The right hon. bad faith in a
gentleman
con-
tended at great length that Government had not ot
the perfect fairness they ought to have observedn acted with
to the measure. It was said by Lord Stanley that with respect
no man of common sense who would not prefer the there was
of a fixed duty to the complexity of the sliding simplicity
scale, and lie-
would ask if the Government was prepared to
principle? The present bill, if carried, would hecasrry out the
tive as to bolster up the agricultural interest of Canada,far effec-
tive
to that he vvas entirely opposed, it being now u and
upon all hands
admitted that our present system of corn laws could
much longer. not last
Sir R. PEEL contended that there was no precedent
such a course as that recommended by Mr. Lab for
which, if agreed to, would be a direct affront to the"chere,
legislature ; and if there was no such precedent they ought
scarcely to make one towards a legislature called together"--gut
under such peculiar circumstances as those which led
meeting of the Canadian legislature. He defendedto the
pursued by the Government with respect t
course p . the
o this te
sare, which was fair, open, and distinct all through 'l_7 -
called upon the house to exercise its own powers of reason_'Ae
ing on the bill, and to do so without seeking to escape the
by flinging it uponh the Crown, as proposed by
the amendment of Mr. Labouc ere. The Government n's
charged on the one hand with withdrawing protection fW
the agriculturist, while, on the other band, it was alleged'l)4l
against them that they were placing fresh restrictions u
trade by this measure. Surely the two charges were utterly
inconsistent, and it was therefore only necessary to o '•Y'
either.as a reply to the other. It was impossible to say
because they adopted a fixed duty by this bill, that they were
therefore establishing the principle of a fixed duty ;
•n prefer_
ence to that of the sliding scale. It was to be rememberedthat in Canada they had no corn averages, and that it wo_
therefore be impossible to carry out such a sliding scale".
id
as was so easily adopted in this.
that country He thought'
the faith and honour of
doh executive were, under the pre:t
cumstances, pledged to ll in their power to carry the
sent bill. It was of the greatest importance to conciliate :T
people of Canada, without whose good-will and affection that
colony would prove to be the weakestt point in the British
empire. It was under such consideerwairhslas these that t,
Government proomed thi"r"ltur
i rist in• i thinly be,:
could not affect the home agricur
smujnir.lnusly, -
largely increased importations, oby
he r mg'
were opposing the bill were acting,
ieared, in the same
spirit towards Canada as betrayed itself n the extinction of
the legislature of Jannticda.
h heard with c •
Lord J. Rossi:Lt. said e onsiderable pain
ntleman's declaration that Canada
the right hon. ge
oints of the empire. was one
of the most dangerous p
with
Sir R. PEEL said "if not treated cordial good feel-
ing." said that, even qualified
Lord J. RessE" •.'a • it as the right
t qualified it, was a most injudicious
bon. gentleman had jos.
I imprudent f
declaration, and one high►y or a person io the
position of the rig baronet to make. He denied
that
• unconstitutional in agreeing to the
awe was anything,..t amend_ her 11a.eq
anything mortitying , j
~
y,
however
meta, or
.. mor-
be to the rt. hon. gent. It was only int'
tifying it might molting
nion of the House of Com
to her Majesty the opi . mons that a
would not be
• course of proceeding advisable,
certain cou hon. gentleman and • , although
recommended by the right his colleagues
objection'
For his own part, he had no
w to give to the Cana:
dians the boon they rceuireidd,ith he would not have imposed
upon them the annexed cor iotn.onftopla,casng duty on the
tion of American gran i. C nada ; for he could
importation eh a duty might prove very
easily conceive that su d
The pre
Judi .
ea", • Cana a. noble lord tauntedthe 'la!
to the Coll.3lllller 111 1 Go.
with their i success in endeavouring t
vernment state of • - " keep most
parts of the empire in a
d and Irelquiletude, and refer red to
the condition cf Scotlanftheiranc as an exemplification
bievous effects o
of the Erti!Ccourse of policy. With
the corn laws, lie could not wonder that the •
respect to v to place unbounded confidence agri-
culturists were slov in the
d himself seen nothing
Government, for he bon .
of but
the most
tg on the part Ministers
deceptive statements f on that sub-
one
d a
ilciing
roca principle to another, such
jest, an Jlo d -troy the confidence of their
was sufficient to es agricultural
friends altogether.
. then cleared for a division,
The gallerY - negatived h a majority of " when the
amendment was
.Y.
Lord STA;S: LEY tiler! said lie would propose to go into
committee pro forma, to matte some verbal alterations in
the resolutions he inte ded o piropose, and he would theft
that ou Friday next they s iould be taken into ,
move Conn
q. hi, , greed to, and, the other orders of the d •
''..-- "a.
crourucd. ay be,
disposed of, the house a j

Those w•f,jo

of a bill
for repealing
united a see.was impelled
ling the act by 1 les of Bangor and
tipoSwElFniwohL,ico7,lPstitDlieleSb.—isseicTwounnEd.snreAnYd.ing
into one He •
Stto
this bill by aof uy to the church, Ind h
The.A s a Ep
ha r I 11,
wereo Of
undertake ' e
cced bv theta o ,ro • •
was encouraged to pro . •.1- bation ot the tw
prelates who presided over those dioceses. It o
right rev. prL . was
he pro osition for
an historical fact, that t . p the union of those
ees and that for the creation of a bishopric at Manche-
he inferred
' Itaneous, from which fact
were simultaneous, one
to the other. No
measure was subsidiary 11, :Whatever objec-
tionsed by*
might be entertain others, he had no objection to
adding another bishop provided
to their lordships'
house,
the creation of a bishopric shouldbe deemed essential to tile
best interests of the vast population of Manchester. It
r be thought
might not, howeve , .. necessary or expedient that
the bishop ot. a newly-erected bishopric should be called
upon to exercise parliamentary duties ; and he would suggest
Manchester should
that the Bishop of . not have a seat in
. but that he should succeed to the first vacancy
parliameo ,
to the sees of Durham, London, or Winchester. With re-
spect to income, he would observe that if political expediency
were objectionabl, ecclesiastical expeiency must be more
so. instead, therefore. of applying therevenue of St. Asaph
or Bangor to the endowment of a bishopric at Manchester,
he thought they might advantageously adopt the suggestion
of Sir R. Peel, and anticipate Queen Anne's bounty for that
purpose, at least until a vacancy should occur in the arch-
bishopric of York, when there would be ample funds for the
purpose. He also thought that the great revenues derived
1 from Wales by Jesus College and other colleges at Oxford,
and more than one English bishopric and the revenues of
the sinecure rectories, which were to be carried to the gene-
ral purposes of the Ecclesiastical Fund, might have been
more properly appropriated to the maintainauce of the Welsh
bishopric. He objected also to exchanging the deanery of
St. Asaph for one unsuitable both in locality and population.
He felt confident the act for uniting the sees would never
have passed if Lord J. Russell had remained at the Home-
office. Without any regard to the difficulties a bishop
mpose
had
to encounter in the principality, they were about to i
upon him double duties, which would be found to tajectionly in-
compatible with his pastoral functions. His great ob
to the junction of the sees was, that it made cornennliuetnnicattlig
between the bishop and his diocese more
ninwcouin,v
that nearly
it was at present. Another great obj
vestedect Lin the bishop.
the whole patronage was exclusively
be a most unconstitu.
On the whole, he deemed the act to
e totally to repeal it.
tional measure; but he dada o
°of it which would not
He merely wished to repel chase
of both of the preset t
come into operation until the deathhat their lordships would
bishops. He hoped, therefore,
t and preserve to
listen to the general prayer of the church,
the principality its ancient bishoprics.
sr afterhighly compliments
The Duke of WaLins:oro. , .
h I 1 i d
the noble lord on the manner in whic le lac a v yeated
called attention to the fact that the obje,..
measure,noble earl was to repeal an act of parliament which had very
passed both houses of parliatuent with scarcely any
recentlyopi sition. That measure originated with a commission,
11.8V:icin-r for its object to increase the utility of the church,
of the dignitaries of the church, the Lord
and :onsisting
Chancellor, and many distinguished statesmen. This c.,,n,_
mission, amongst other things, recommended the union of
the bishoprics of Gloucester arid Bristothel, an
erection d of the f bishop.
ries of St. Asnph and Bangor, and o a new
bishopric at Manchester. The first recommendation was
soon afterwards carried into effect with
the moniostn beneficial
result, and he entertained no
doubt bthe u of st.
Asaph and Bangor, and the creation of a new bishopric at
'Manchester, would he similarly succe.!sful. The noble earl
n,meared to think the addition of a 27th or 28th bishop to
their lordships' house would not be objectionable, but it was
not so easy a matter as the noble earl might conceive to add
titiother bishop td their lordships ltnnae, Pnblic opinion cy
tel be eotifiltlttsil Mod the
,rioble tier) obniild 11:11).ett)boir fl "
thor. *dec. ?rife pertatie,to INlMltiolim *fin 04"tq otint
1040 il MOO 011iii101 la kistllslo#titi Ao tioti.4l tk ' 111`
5 Sot

attended with some inconveniesees, but these
;neater now than when the measure was °rip-
He was convinced. that on the whole the
the noble earl wished to have repealed was
ie public as, a proot of the real desire of those
5 measure originated to reform the imperfec-
'ease the utility of the church• Under these
, he felt it his duty to move as an amendment,
efore their lordships should be read a second

said, that the Bishop of St. Asaph
te commission to give their opinion
nion of these sees. He disclaimed
interfere with the principle of the
now in operation, nor did they
ew bishopric ; but they did think
for the great evil which must
Nn ancient bishopric. lie ad-
ted to the bishops having seats
ill these persons might not
e, to the addition of one
people of those dioceses had
anner in which their revenues
ssion. He was himself misled
reverend prelate argued at con-
f the second reading of the bill.
sastraY defended the commis-
ion, been productive of much

ats cher

ON said that the advantage of having
was so great that he hoped nothing
ships to forego it, but if this bill were
f Manchester would be gone ; for, in
le bill it was now proposed to repeal,
)n the union of the sees the bishopric
le created

yx supported the bill, and contended
,rge addition to the episcopacy of the
ould not admit the necessity of the
the privilege of seats in that house.
moment a great many bishops belong-
in of the empire were unable to sit in
the privilege only for a single year.
ooked upon the existing act as a small
rm, and, looking forward to a more
he would support the bill upon the
aing act an obstruction to some more

a was content to agree to the sup-
in order to the creation of another
benefits it was likely to confer on

::ornpliance with a suggestion from
ithdrew the bill for the present
aips thereupon immediately ad-

OF COMMONS.—TuusDay

..,tention of the house to the long-
e Danish claims, and moved that an
ted to her Majesty praying that the

e taken into consideration ;
the motion was decided to

,ad the attention of the house
am Browne, late chaplain to
n, who was dismissed from
.;heater, after having given
nor of the prison before the inspec-
ry instituted under the direction of
he right hon. baronet bad recom
was
the governor, but the governor
n agreed to that he bad not lost the
rates. He therefore moved for a se-
re into the conduct and management
e of Correction, and into the circliam
urn-
h the dismissal of the Rev. Wil
lain of the said House of Correction,
,he circumstances, and on the conduct
istrates, in resisting the wishes of Sir
a bad no hesitation in saying
that the
ad acted most manfully throughout the

strates of L

r-- 'n eff
was I

a tribunal

..----'l'.'------

1, as a magistrate of the county of
3r of the gaol possessed his confi-
which had been pursued
course
Admitting, however, that they
judgment, misled by feelings of
vent, yet a body of 34 gentlemen
inted with, the locality, must be
umstances than that house could
:attributed his dismissal to politi-
ect a direct libel on the ma-
;lust he thought he had been
should, therefore, oppose the

At though not favourable to
for judging the conduct of
support the present motion if
the
effect of disclosing any
conceaed
his recommendation had not been
rtes, but h.; admitted that the die-
d been agreed to by a large majority
the
aid be beneficial to the public if
e Home Department were to have a
the magistrates in the dismissal of
,ecause, as a responsibldle minopen ister of
e of that power wou be to

versation, Mr. Drscomaa with-
house soon after adjourned.

COMMONS.--WewsEsDAY.
in consequence of the guarantee
the payment of the dividends
_anent had been called upon to
in consequence of the defalcation
t. The sarae obligation was laid
...an
and these countries had agreed to
aria,
ritain a joint representation upon the
The British but
had been sp-
a fresh loan, but had refused to do so.
ion from Mr. R. You.xn,
ot his intention to abandon the
it was n
Bill for the present session. He would
should be again proceeded with.
i it
ion from Mr. S. O'BatEs,
of the ,Lcusavga said that no ail.
consequence bad been incurred by
any
coop to Ireland, and he bad, therefore
t to propose a supplementary vote'.
iccoun
-... to involve v. tars, expendiure,

ad for.
discussion, withdrevr the second
rusts Bill, in order that the
ossession of the house—the At.
ciated that the government had a
. nature nearly ready to be intro-

second reading of the Catholic

)rn Sir R. INGLzs,
for Ireland said the
the act was
oaths had
Reform Act, and

I one.
the bill was read a second time.
disposed of, and the
ay were then