The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1843-10-31 00:00:00

OWN COUNCIL PROCEEDINGS

11,0 'ay, a special meeting of the council was held at
"-hail, for thepurpose of taking into considera•
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determining upon a variety of subjects mentioned
rioekl"lanses. The MAYOR took the chair at eleven
(tk, at which time there were twenty-four members
'''tespective places.

FINANCE COMMITTEE.
ttlitL,l4 d uTY TOWN-CLERK commenced the business
NittOaY by reading the proceedings of the Finance
,Itittee tee The committee stated that they had received
,4441,tenders for the corporation land in North Bir-
glippr and that they had agreed to accept, subject to
4tiosle,"al of the couecil, offers for the following lots :
lits`qr• Cole, for 37,000 square yards, at 18s. each ;
11Vessrs. J. and W. Walker, for 6,100 square yards,
; iotra,ehi and one-third of the new road adjoining, at
it it t 4; 44),900 square yards, at 12s. 4d. each ; trom Mr.
141'1 4. for 20,000 square yards, at 10s. each ; from
hr.lft Ito, for 6,000 square yards. at 10s. each ; from
ti ct's P. Brownrigg, for 48,800 square yards, at
‘
rets,',,,!iod for other parcels, amounting in the aggre-
,7,ooo square yards. The leases for those pur-
/Illtetoire to be for 75 years ; the conditions of the sale
14r it!"—PaYrnent in five and ten years, with interest
itiT of 5 per cent. ; the purchasers to erect build-
'; ".1 "here land fronted the pool, to make a sea-
k`Ri insurance against fire to be effected by the
td: .T1.,1e committee further stated, that they Lad
L ittloject to the approval of the council, to pur-
Itii:'. running from Beacon's Gutter northwards,
kbittt
,Earl of Derby, for a sum not exceeding £17.500,
I:likttito certain conditions. They finally stated, that
t4ltss tbade a communication to the Watch Committee
third beak ether the latter could conveniently give up the
!toe "ock Station, for the purposes of a Sailors'
%it Those several proceedings, which were of ex-
-144., e ic.i.,, having been read throughout,
to • LAWRENCE rose to move their confirma-
hit i said that the proeeedings, though coming upon
i, 4.Y of the municipal year, were of extreme im-
,ll442o!_ineteresting to the burgesses at large, inasmuch
Ngn il were
or recommended upon
portion of their
looo°PertY, amounting in value to upwards of
, 4 ; and also as they were called upon to purchase
the.,(,).,tbe extent of 600,000 square yards of land
Ltitheekirkclale shore. Upon these two transactions
74tint°say a tew words, but not for the purpose of
Nilei, g the policy of the council in disposing of their
ProPerty, because the more he considered that
,1/10re he thought they were acting for he in-
Ittli'. the inhabitants on both sides of the Mersey.
fl 7. b
birth-lre tod
ight thafort ta
mess ofhe Financpottage,mande Comitteethat it
were
`eitir
itillit
eti`ek?,B reason they were assailed with such warmth
b?' out of doors ; but still the council thought
raeshire property was a great weight and bur-
: that it was bad policy to be holding a property
, ax comparatively unproductive, and whic
'iltiP°o the burgesses to the extent of £316,000,
fetter Might have assumed a different aspect, but
kid 7 had purchased, they could hardly be said to
e for
it ; for the interest amounted at present to
lea Year. It was, therefore, a matter of some im-
to reduce this amount ; for he was of opinion
1.441 ikeas theY could keep their present bonded debt
Present limits, they must tither resort to a bo-
Iti'Le, or suspend their discretionary expenditure.
' it4/e examined the corporation accounts for the
thjiould appear manifest that unless they could
NV' exigencies by some such steps as they viere
Itt t°iliending. they must call for the assistance of
k_l4isl4tberer. (dear, hear.) Offers had been made
91,0r7,01 the Birkenhead land, amounting altogether
ti,"'".
TtitY Nua
of
re -ards, and at a vl of ,000. The
land purchased inue Birke£l2onhead by the
.000 corporation, previous to 1829, amounted to
ireensquare yards, and after the present purchases
, arPode the council would still retain 725,000
N isieks irytheir possession. The total cost. of the
8144kItui:ee o £316,000. The interest was 1.12,600 ;
k -,ng the interest saved by the present sales,
lOttn t° £7,290, the balance of interest would only
Ito ''S,3lo—so that the borough fund would be
Vs': the extent of £7,300 a-year, and they would
ltstiasB‘72s,4oo square yards, which stood them in
Iti‘l.ll7. and ss. each. (Hear, hear.)
.1110444LEY-MORE asked whether the 4s. or ss.
IV Yard could be obtained for the remaining
1/4at'S 4
440 t, '‘• I AWRENCE said that every day inoreased
k . f the land. He was satisfied it was worth more
r ,ss.
4,,,
1411 N the
thought it impossible to give any answer
Lh. 2 to accuracy to such a question, because the
./1 1 situated 'parts, and varied in value.
hilt gritin various
N was sold by the acre, and some by the square
tt, be had no notion of its average value, the
s4etieularly as a great deal of it bore an ideal value.
4AMLEY-MORE thought a definite answer
•
st6,oln. H e did not want the value toa fraction,
be satisfied if the Finance Committee could
it
e waB worth any sum between 6s. and 7s. on an
‘t
.t, 4
ti,* 1:1- LAWRENCE assumed, for the sake of argu-
Nat it ~,
„,_• as worth what. it stood them in.
e,P.?.4ern expressed his belief that it was worth
t7s.
01,111 KER said, that the question as to the sal . t
tnit7., been already decided upon by the council, and
'l‘444.,ersetal object at present ought to
tbi:attothdeisepoousenifl
gave
a advantage.plaa o the Heest contendedate
before them, and that
Usbe,sb.of it ought to be valued by competent parties.
net' had been told that one gentleman had pur-
ltp,'NO square yards • but he should like to know
''Petition there had' been for that ,and the other

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haA,AC HOLMES would not hive taken part in the
rtiet!.l4 he Chairman of the Finance Committee not
„„,the sale of the estate would operate beneficially
shad ",,`erests of the people on both sides of the Mersey.
Vtti4e,cl against the sale in the first instance. He.
!),Nt hi out one opinion upon the subject, and must
sorrow now, as he had done before, that the
‘l,lket*i',.tl been amputated from the corporation. He
,:etoermed by Mr. Royden and r
a othes that a dock
yprceted on the other side fob outr X 6,000 ; and
,tigiti° a dock might not have answered for vessels
N4livarl°t the port with merchandize, yet would it have
res._ ageolls for vessels on sale and lying up, and,
4Nf_ec,,t, it would have greatly relieved two of the
4ceive_Laks. He contended that the new corporation
th " a sum of money from the old equal in amount
Qhe.! latter had expended on the purchase of the
ha 4 ;' estate. He also contended, that, if the
At!tql,)r_ the right of ferry into Wallasey pool, they
liu:serve the: property on the margin of the river.
t't 'Rau, said, the council possesed the right of
kitt joh
_,, asked, whether the council had made any
b°4 water rights over the Pool?
ve." LAWRENCE said, they had no-water rights
tliE tis Na asked, how they could possess any water
',4loqtrY had lost the margin of the laud, or if, in
1113 • they had. lost terra firma They could have
t _
61,yee,1191,enderit• of the land adjoining ; and there-
lhotic co to him that they had hastily parted with
S'toiri;allas. of acres, out of a desire_ to get rid of an
; Ett9cl 1,17 !ousy upon the part of certain persons.
.41,t111:-, in a great hurry to put the land out of
rpo Jar fear it might be made amenable for any
4.14 Le!,er~ Mr. Isaac Holmes had very properly said,
had
have made the pool very useful—that they
,bi XlB "td it as a receptacle for a certain description
she It would have been a lumber room for Liver-
i!qor"'Y thing that Liverpool wanted. 'Had the
14thkOle docks been asked for plans, or bad the
ie fully, fairly,and thoroughly discussed, as to
tl'IY ought to sell or not, or what were the uses
;;;Vlal, hat
on , estuary and the land on the margin could
oat would be the benefit the one hand, or
Nth', ti ll
the other, that would result to Liverpool ?
lava of g had been gone into ; but with a legislation,
ititt; grocer, at the corner of a street, they had
liqtiilia_e.destruction of, what be called, one -of the
ut prospects the Corporation possessed.

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AI AV 0
lip°4 f It•—I call on 'Mr. Evans to mr,...-
11144 i.°r the use of that language. He said this
ottait. 471aiita Worthy of a grocer at the corner of a street ;
,1? \44 ,a sure that the :use of such an expression
11. It 1° raise the council in public estimation.
41rIt .18 not right, in my opinion, to make use of
ilp ttee' coramittee of gentlemen ; for the Finance
1/44' DANtare gentlemen (Hear, hear.)
Iii)4:: 4 ihis-----1 beg, in the first place, to observe that
, ive-ovearition whatever to utter anything that could
l'l'tti:lie'e-,mence• Ido not think it ought to have given
t Iv! e, it was used only as. a fair mode of 11/ta-
kies illustrating at the time that this legisla-
; j; lettij,were acting with the .understanding of a
t
144 nual in the lower ranks of life. I contend
jiiittilitiilair illustration ; but, if it be taken in an
41.4! Ido not adhere to it. (Hear, hear.)
to/ it; C-I am quite aware that it is open to you.
i Iti.h4,,e',..ut I think it is not an expression which
, het . been t
used towards gentlemen who have no
r ittbatell,,,low in their proceedings but that of the
,lesre I,- uoY may, it is true, make mistakes ; but
is 1 aho•elY fair to liken them to a person who keeps
11 ea,,111; At the same time, if the council are
litit„. have nothing further to say.
Irive'ri don't think there was anything person-
itaint la the observation. (Hear, hear.)
tte.tri, etitYr denied that the Finance Committee had
Y„litrk f,l:to an acceptance of the offers by anything
ktYl_l4B-nsT narellecti
the alousy on the part of per-
tta 0-4ar side of newater. He contended that
id, n, ue other side had a right to the benefit of
iiN 0411817;inich as there was no right but the public
)tkley tvtueY were about to sell the Cheshire pro-
-1,, , 13 auld sell any other description of corporate
(t
IlLtoode thought the Council had obtained an ex-
the Price, and that the effect of the sale would
IN4,0111:, additional amount of income which the
ii
hmlietizlm have at their disposal. Hitherto, they
it'o4ltatirf liegaly, by expending capital for income.
6 Nifiat.to hold the Cheshire property in the
~, erea,el'on, particularly when their local taxa-
% el, Yeare , from one cause or another, within tbe
ti'llt,„4e,l„,.' bY nearly 40 per cent., and when the
it:e'tiel)"' ,t.be community found it difficult to bear
altlalpeti,Pe differed with Mr. Parker with re-
„. tOse b`loll for the land, because better terms
tit's t Dri ee° cnade, and also, because, in some in•
1 Ned ees offered had been refused, and higher
INN, 4 obtained.
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that Aitt, „ ned.
, 4 thaif in, 'nought the only question for discussion
,t et rains to this :---Whether the Finance Commit-
a ttett f0..110e1l prices as the corporation had a
e Ito,' tbe property? He confessed that if lu-
`44itinal owner of the estate, and had only

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