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Churchwardens
" J. R. COOPER,

• -
ATTEMPTED ROBBERY AND VIOLENCE.—At the Poll
court, yesterday, a young man, well known to the pot
was charged with having violently assaulted and re
James Forrester, a flour-broker, residing in Key
Forrester stated, that, about half-past eight o'cloci
day evening, he was returning home with a ye,
named Catherine Burns, from the Park, where
taking tea. In order to 4-
go across the fields. th
wall near North-street.
tention of assisting his companion over,
meet the prisoner and another man jumped over tilt
after them. The prisoner immediately seized him b
neckerchief, and demanded
refused, he was knocked down,
the men. They threw him down
him about the face till it was frigi.
contrived, however, to give his purse
Burns, who, by calling out. " Robbery ! '
alarmed policeman No. 301, who came to
The prisoner and his companion then ran ot,
smart chase, he was secured, but the latter c
prosecutor lost a silk handkerchief from his h,
outrage. This statement was corroborated by
the police-offioer, who added that, on
he observed that blood

hick

Ile mounted the Crallti;

nee fro

reed to

sower, in defence, said he was
the Park, when he met the prosecutor anu
mer jostled against him, on complaining of which h
him, and all he had done was to E.
was committed for trial at the assiz
LIVERPOOL COLLEGIATE INSTITUTION.
school of this institution opened yesterday with ..
pupils, on which occasion the lecture hall was for a
time used for divine service. A voluntary was pe
whilst the pupils were entering; after which the r
and masters, attired in collegiate costume, has.,
placei on the platform, the' - •
King's College, London, was ithprt...
reverend principal. About 500 of the pare,.
the pupils were present in the lower gallery, (w.
set apart for the accommodation of those who be present at the morning service,) and, one and
highly delighted with the proceedings. The appearai.
pupils as they passed to and from the lecture hall
collegiate gowns, was an interesting
much gratification.
free of expense, to the upper school, the pupi
eminently distinguish himself dor"— .•
has also generously placed a._
tors, to be awarded in such prizes as they may
William Potter, Esq., has announced his intention
two free nominations to the middle school, t the m.
tinguished boys of the present year. The privilege of
peting for the preceding prizes will be confined to thr
pits, who may attend during the present quarter.
ducements to enter the Collegiate School are thus becom.
Powerful, and when John Gladstone, Esq., carries out his
intention of founding for them an university scholarship, they
will be materially increased. The upper school is announced
to open on the 13th February. Many of the most opulent
and influential of our townsmen have already entered their
children as pupils, and several of the gentry of the neighbour-
ing counties purpose sending their sons to it. In a few years,
therefore, under the able guidance of the reverend principal,
and the eminent and experienced professors whom he has
been so fortunate as to engage, we may expect to find the
pupils of this institution taking a high stand in the universi-
ties of the country, and, thereby placing the Liverpool Col-
legiate Institution in an honourable position with respect to
the preparatory colleges of the country.

The middl

'ection of prayers use
read by

has beer

Lord Francis- Egerton will non

.0 at the disposal of the

COII,RESPONDENCE

TO RICHARD COBDEN, ESQ., M.'

The in-

SIR,--Before we meet to-morrow
call your attention to some facts which
nect themselves with the present position of our ma.
ing population, and the miserable low state of our or
mercantile trade, and, as truth will in all things ul'
prevail, we shall assuredly arrive at a sounde-
corn-law question by sifting the following facts
for two obvious reasons, viz.,—To ascertain how t
manufacturers and merchants have executed their
with the nations of the world, nationally, not barely ind
vidually,) by the manufacture and sale of such goods as
honestly made, or likely to be sought for a second time
secondly, how far such goods will be taken, in futur
ment for corn •, however simple these questions may appear
at first sight, they are, to my mind, all important in the con-
sideration of the corn-law question ; not looking at that
question in a spirit of tenderness towards;the landlord or
tenant, for in that spirit there is no safety—the food of the
people is a subject so momentous, as, next to their moral
condition, to be paramount to all others.
Now, the popular question of "free trade in corn "sounds
sweetly, I grant, and I admit it may, for a time (or for ever,
if you value the admission), render that commodity cheaper.
Next comes the question, in what do you propose to pay for
it ? You will reply, in manufactures. In manufactures ?
" Manchester goods ? " But have not the goods hitherto
classed as export goods already disgusted many of our foreign
customers, and will they not rather sell us their corn for cash,
and 'ouy manufactures at an honestcp market ?—lower prized
they cannot find,
The conjurers, who talk a 1.,„.. _ • -

r view

orders

e, in pay-

La auout lain down and depend-
ing Upon a cheaper market for corny fancy that if we wanted
corn on an emergency, it would be supplied from our own
soil as quickly as mushrooms, and that laying our land down
in permanent grass, we should produce more beef and mut-
ton. To this it may be observed, what pretty little fat sheep
of 6 lbs. a quarter would our excellent neighbour, Michae
Ashcroft, of Bank hall, produce upon his presenthighly cul
tivated farm if it were driven into permanent turf ; but, sa
you, there would be no, deficiency in this supply if the trad'
were free; perhaps not, if we were always sure that we could
pay for it ; bot if our manufactures, and most particularl
that portion with which you are connected, have already, b
their artificial character, disgusted the wearers of them, y
do you mean to cure that evil? 'Do you advise the
of honesty in future ? If so, our ina'
survive the present depression, without your interferenc
with the borne customer; and, if not, they had better be fo
gotten, because, for the last thirty years, they have b
conducted in principle, as to enrich the few by the slay.
the many, whilst they have encouraged the over-productic
of a rascally bad article, which has afforded a beggarly remu.
aeration for the labour of the working classes, and reduced
the demand of sound goods, by the encouragement thus af-
forded to the export of materials and machinery.
Look back on the character of Manchester prints so called,
Which have been exported !—piles of thousands of pieces—
possessing neither cloth nor colour—merely dipped cobwebs
—your shirtings filled up with rubbish, and sealed with a no-
torious lie in the English tongue.
Could any one be surprised that such a trade ire-
guish in the long run? Even supposi sue been furnish to the rudest barbarian,ng the fig
came possessed of an honest-packed article, he would
the Britisher and his goods with derision. Examine
enclosed patterns, value seven farthings per yard, fine glc
satin-faced printed Manchester cambrics : dip them in wa,
water—alas ! your fine piece is gone, cloth and colour, at
you are left with a mere cobweb. These, although improve
ments on the rubbish of twenty years since in appearance,
form still the same fraudulently-packed stuff, which starves
him who labours at them at home, and destroys the character
Of the nation abroad. They may earn a very large profit
(Once) for the merchant or manufacturer, but benefit no other
Party. Do you expect to buy corn with such trash ? Fudge
Nor is this kind of fraud confined to Manchester. Look at
the trash got up by your Yorkshire neighbours in cutlery for
our foreign customers, wherever they can be forced ; and
blush to see a east-iron knife or razor, a box of tools, and
various other trumpery, polished up and marked in our own
tongue as of final quality ! Da you, my noble cotton le-
suppose foreigners are such dolts as to prefer Ems,'
to goods of honester make ?
I remember full well a glove -
Upon this principle, reduced the sewers dozen, (for which the poor people burnt him i
cut all the rejected leather lie could procure
a lower-priced article than was previously
of them were about the size of two bricks, stiff a,
No hand could be introduced ! No matter!—t
gloves for export, They could not be worn. What
consequence? In a few-years the trade was aunibilate
But we may illustrate this shabby nearer h,
viz., 'Yorkshire broads. Time was
wphenractice the Britisher;
home were not so skilful in their knowledge of such do
What was then the practice ? Why the pieces were aboi
foot narrower than theMest of Englands, and this fault
hidden by folding the cloths in a fraudulent Manner, so a
appear to an inexperienced eye as of full breadth. To s
an extent was this practised, that old Joe Grimaldi made
of his whimsical hits in a Christmas pantomime, by ;
clueing a supposed piece on the stage, so folded with
black list, and the words thereon in yellow silk,;' Yorks
Broad." The Yorkshire folks ultimately gave up the p,
tice, and by turning their attention more to (limb,-
ceit, now rival the West ; but they too "have
practising a new fraud, of tearing old rugs to ma'
coats. Do they expect to buy corn with them That there has been much sufferine :-
districts all humane persons '—
suns must have made strang,
patience exhibited by the po
tern ; and in justice to these poor n.
herein stated will be properly inquired into ere the con
mers of bread plunge themselves into irretrievable ruin
destroying the • home producer and consumer, who requ
goods that will pay the nicker for the labour of his han,
rather than by pursuing a system which has already paraly2
the spirits of the manufacturing population, even if with t
knowledge of their past sufferings, you could reasonably t
lieve that foreigners would be such fools as to continue
take such rubbish as that forming the great proportion
export goods, in exchange for the next thing to gold, vi;
corn, the article you propose to discourage the production
Will China take them for her crapes, nankeens, teas,
silks. Pshaw ! Turn your attention to excellence of qualit
tod fairness in packing, and China may be a splendid Cu
half stmer, aud if so, th goods they will buy f
comwill enforabtleto thew phr:ei
starved weaverse to earn
they are as much entitled as the farm labourer. How_ is
that they have been deprived of it, whilst their employe
have become rich as Nabobs.
There is the rub ! The cure for our disease is to disco,
tinue the use of substitute as the staple of ourmanufactur
it° longer to practise deception in packing,
and
then you w„
longer require to stamp a continuous lie on the prods
bonscif your looms, and foreign nations will soon exhi
better feelings, arid more confidently rely o
honesty of our seem inclined dealings than they see inclin llied)e honour;
tnotatthiiisregsrs
I perceive Mr. O'Connell is to figure away
Muster of philosophers ; be will probably describe to
Meeting how his countrymen
have
manufacture of their honestly packed)elost their once beau
linens, to which I
listen with attention, and ,how he proposes to recover i
the:introduction of cheap corn.
AS 1 have extended my observationsfa
your
our apparen
beyond my
intention I will briefly add that I admire.is
for the public good ; but your one idea
li fallacious.
the rest appear to me to rest upon that fa ncr"

;talent, whi

atactures w

seen so

tl goods to I

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comparisons of the love

Pr men, and by their ric

i, I trust the

Yours, respectfully,
JOHN JONES

Liverpool. Tanuary3olh, 1813

" Why are soldiers (ni foot more liable to err than ladies
°it horsback Dy'c give it up ? Because soldiers muster
and ladies canter,

FOXTETI

rAttk PROft,

8T NT OPZUATII9I

ASSOCIATIOIN

Last night d droiitded Meeting of the Members anti Meads
of the Tosteth-park Protestant Operative Association was
held in the Toxtetb-hall, Mill-street, for the purpose .of con-
sidering the propriety of adopting a petition to patlidincot,
praying for the discontinuance of the annual grant to the
popish College of Maynooth. The Rev. H ticit INPNIALE,
patron of the association, presided.

The Divine blessing hay.ing
ceedings, in an appropriate pri
incumbent of St. Thomasis,
The CHAIRMAN addressed t

yen implored upon the pro-
:r, by the Rev. W. BUTLER,

A. petition for inquiry Into the prirAi
Izlit in the Colleee

Ainvnooth i

time; and t
first to g
to that IA

clang your na

secondly, tc

with such. information, in :addition to that you already

will satisfy you it is a Christian duty so to do ;
,nd thirdly, to excite such interest in your minds upon the
subject as will induce you to endeavour to cause your fellow-
townsmen to ettaeli their names also to this petition. (Hear.)
It has been told me by some who have come to me from this
side of tha town that there exists among you a feeling of dis-
appointment and even of despondency. Ido not participate
in any such feeling. Ido not think there is the slightest
reason why you should abate, in the smallest degree, the
energy, the earnestness, the activity, the perseverance of
your efforts in the cause of Christian truth and Scrip-
tural education. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) You have been
taught,
,and I hope that you are well and fully persuaded,
that duty is not to he measured by success; but that it rests
upon a principle which remains unchanged, whether the All-
vise disposer of all events be pleased to crown the cause with
resent and practical advance, o)- to try its advocates by pre-
at exercises of patience. (Hear.) If, therefore, it could
shown that our cause had made no advance; if no friends
' been gained to it in parliament or in the country ; if it
d precisely where it did ten years ago, still our duty
remain the same, equally obvious and equally urgent.
kr cause is not in this position. (Hear, hear.) It has
Documentary evidence, supporting

possess

advanced. (Cheers.)

our strongest assertions in reprobation of the principles in:
culcated in Maynooth College, have been laid before the
public and largely read : the standard books which contain
the leading features of that evidence have been lodged by the
official consent of the proper authorities in the ptiblic libra-

—And in Dublin),--yes,, and in Dublin too.
ions from various parts of the country, with v.
—1 numbers of signatures, attest the progress
_..de out of doors ; and in the House of Commons
~iinority of those who boldly voted with n:
Point is increased from seven or eight to forty-eight.
Our cause, therefore, does not stand where it,
. , it has advanced ; and advanced perhaps as rapidly as it
was reasonable to expect such a cause could advance against
the tide of " conciliation," as it has been falsely called, and
" liberality," equally falsely called, but indifferentism and
infidelity, properly called, which had spread through the
country. (Cheers.)

increase

leering

upon this
(Great

Voren.—May God increase it further. (Hear, hear.)
The CHAIRMAN.—A very extraordinary principle, if it can
be called a principle, has been gaining ground in this country
with regard to public men—namely, that, although it is their
duty as private individuals to avow their real sentiments, yet,
as public men it is not their duty to avow their real seal-
ments-Thear) ;—and that they may have certain sen-
timents upon which they act as individuals, while unfortu-
dately they may act upon a different set of sentiments in their
public capacity as rulers of a mixed community. You will
not understand me to suppose I approve of such a sentiment.
(Hear.) -1 am telling you it has spread in this country, and
I want to make you understand the evii nature of it; I want
to expose it; and, in order to expose such a subtle sentiment
to an audience such as I now have the honour to address, it
is necessary to speak very plain. One of the greatest diffi-
culties that gentlemen have to contend with upon such occa-
sions as this is, in point of fact, that we are speaking to two
auditories at once—an auditory like yourselves which, without
meaning any disrespect to you, I may say, requires plainness
of speech, and an auditory such as the reporter for the news-
paper is busy getting ready for, who require critical nicety—
(hear, hear) ;—so that, in point of fact, 1 must remember
that I have not only to address the partieS, assembled in the
Toxteth-hall, but also the parties who will read the LIVER-
POOL STANDARD to-morrow morning. Now upon the subject
of this " liberalism ;" I heard a strange anecdote of three gen-
tlemen, one of whom said " Two and two are four." Another
said " No;. two and two are are six." (Laughter.) The third
was appealed to as an umpire ; he was a liberal gentleman,
and he said, " My good friends it is necessary to conciliate in
these times, and not to drive matters to extremes; it is
necessary to 'be kind in the construction put upon other
people's words,—the friend upon my right, perhaps, did not
mean all that he said when he said ' two and two are four,'
and it is posSible that my honourable friend upon the other
side may have exaggerated a little when he said that two and
• (Laughter)—and I propose, as a real verity of
, for peace sake, that it be laid down henceforth that
nd two are five!" (Loud laughter.) " If," he con-
ned, " I was speaking in my individual capacity, knowing
,s well as the life within me. that two and two are four, I
would agree with that gentleman ; but I have a public charac-
ter to sustain, in the which it is necessary to conciliate

ire six—

varions parties—to remember the conscientious objectionsof
dissenters, and to maintain the first dignities of the church;
therefore in my public capacity I dare not say what I know
to be true, two and two are four, that would be dangerous
and indiscreet : to say that two and two make six would be
false; and, therefore, I come to the legitimate, the discreet,
and the parlirnentary conclusion that two and two are five."
But not only has our cause as respects Moynooth prospered
in the face of this enemy, but the kindred question of Scrip-
tural education has also prospered. (Hear,) It is true-that
no chance is contemplated in the system adopted in Ireland,
but in the only town in England, where that system was in-
troduced, a change has not only been contemplated but com-
pletely effected. (Loud cheers.) It is true that some of our
representatives appear to have changed their mind since they
were elected, but what then? Our majorities are not so
scanty as to be affected by such changes; we have gained our
point as touching the schools, and you have been gaining as
electors. (Cheers.) Iron should take care to whom you give
your votes, because, remember, a representative in a British
deliberative assembly is not a fettered delegate, but he is a
free debater. (Cheers.) You cannot at once confer and
withhold your confidence—(cheers) • you send a member to
the House of Commons, or to the Town-council, but being
there, he no longer consults for you only, but according to
the best of his judgment for the whole kingdom or for the
whole town. (Cheers.) This is a general principle of our
constitution as laid down by its greatest lights. (Cheers.)
There may, indeed, be peculiar cases of voluntary and plain
declarations on one side, and sudden and unexplained votes
upon the other side, which may render it unspeakably dis-
graceful for a man to screen himself behind this generous
principle while he is practising deliberate deception ; and in
such causes it may be very proper for constituencies publicly
to mark their reprobation of such conduct. But, then, they
must remember that even in an extreme case like this, with
the exception of public opinion, they have no strictly con-
stitutional remedy till the next election. (Cheers.)
With these few remarks I must content myself, and call
upon my friends who bath joined me, and kindly undertaken
to address you this evening ; but there is another point upon
which I wish to offer a few remarks, because I have heard
that some of you have been unsettled by it. I have heard.
but perhaps I have been misinformed, that some of the
emissaries of the Anti-Corn-Law-Legge have been among
you—(hear)—a republican faction, making up by perpetual
motion for the want of weight in their numbers, their cha-
racters, and their respectability in the- country. (Loud
cheers.) Rest assured that the question between these men
and the aristocracy of England is a question between repub-
licanism or monarchy,-and nothing short of it. (Hear.)
But they talk of regard for the poor, and they talk of cheap
bread: what is the reason they do not talk of cheap labour?
(Hear, hear.) They deny that cheap bread will lead to cheap
labour ; but " facts are stubborn things," and since the
influx of foreign corn of late, and the great, and blessed, and
plentiful harvest we had last year—since provisions have
been cheaper, wages have been lowered. (Loud cries of
" hear, hear.") That is a matter of fact : it is a fact,
(Hear.) I saw a gentleman to-day from Bolton, who told
me that there are men working there for 4s. 6d. a week—
(hear, hear)—and yet these gentlemen will say in the Am-
phitheatre to-morrow evening that the price of food has no
connection with the price of wages! (Hear.) I want you
to ask them this, if you have an opportunity. (I do not want
you to go to their banquet for the purpose, though) will they
be content to agitate for a clause in the act of parliament,
which shall repeal the Corn-law for the regulation of
wages, a clause prescribing a point, below which the mecha-
nic shall not be required to labour?—(Hear, hear.) If Mr.
Cobden will agitate a minimum clause of wages, he may then
call himself the labouring man's friend ; but while he agitates
for free trade in corn, he agitates for free trade in wages too
—(hear) ; and when he has got down the loaf so that you can
buy it for sixpence instead of a shilling he will get down your
wages, for he will tell you "you can live for so much less now
than- before."—(Hear, hear.) He will tell you then " Were
you not a fool not to see this sooner?—(Hear, hear.) Did
•ot tell you we wanted to compete with foreign manufac-
but we could not do it while bread was so dear ?"
does that mean but this—" How can we compete with
the foreign manufacturer but by manufacturing at home
cheaper, and how'cheaper but by paying you less?—(Hear.)
I understand there is a celebrated countryman of mine
'ng to join them to-morrow. (Laughter.) You must .
not be sure of him, because there was a very convenient
blast of wind this evening, just about the time the Publin
packet sails. (Loud laughter.) I want to read you a passage
from a very significant letter lie wrote lately, with regard to
this subject of free trade that is so much talked of. " Within
little more than twelve months no less than six tariffs
have been proclaimed against English manufactures. In
November, 1841, a ,Russian tariff against her worsted, her
woollens, and her cotton goods. In December, 1841, a Por-
tuguese tariff against her woollen goods. In June, ]842, a
French tariff against her linen-yarns and linens. In July,
1842, a Belgian tariff against the same articles. In August,
1841, a United States tariff against her woollens, worsted,
and cotton goods. In September, 1842, a German League
tariff against one of her largest articles of British export,
namely„ her worsted goods, printed or-figured. There is one
thing exceedingly curious, which. looks like a hallucination
over the minds of our great statesmen. It is this. In the
face of these tariffs our ministers have gratuitously, and of
their own mere motion, opened our markets, either at no
duty or at a low duty, for many foreign articles which we
ourselves can and do produce. Thus, whilst foreigners close
their markets against us, we retaliate by opening our markets
freely for them. I am certainly an advocate for free trade;
but it must be a just and generous freedom, not that bastard
free trade that throws all the burdens upon our produce,
and leaves all the advantage to foreign articles." . (Hear.)
Now, here is the man who wrote this for a purpose in Ire-
land coming over here to speak at a " free trade banquet! "
(Cheers.) Why if he uttered this in the Amphitheatre to-
morrow night, they would probably turn him out, great a
man as he is! (Great cheering, and laughter.) " Free
trade "—yes, but it most be really free ; but these mighty
manufacturers do not desire that; they do not desire that
there should he any protection for their manufactured goods,
but they desire that there shall be no protections for the
farmers. " Anti-monopoly "is their cry ; and " Citizens of
the world " they call themselves. Now I ask them why
should England monopolize manufactures?' (Hear.) If you
are an anti-monopoly man, why crush the manufactures of
other nations? Keep it at home. That is monopoly ; keep
it at home, but apply the same principle to everything. We
are the opposers of- monopoly, for we wish to have both
(hmanufactures and agriculture, and not Itiarnifactures only;—
ear)—we are the opposers of monopoly, for we wish other
nations to have both manufactures and agriculture, and not
agriculture only ;—(hear)—so, then, we are the opposers of
monopoly, and they are the monopolists ! (Loud cheering.)
_ Now if we are to have free trade. as Mr. O'Connell says
here, let it be a real reciprocal freedom, and let us not have
what he calls " that bastard free trade" which would allow
American corn to come into our ports without duty, while
the Americans will not allow British cotton goods to go into
their ports without duty. (Cheers.) You cannot force
every people ; therefore you Cannot have " free trade all the
world over." (Hear.) Fair play is a jewel. (Hear.) But
ppose you could force every people, and have real free
trade all the world over, I wish you just to look at the con-
sequences. (Hear.) There is no limit to what may be pro-
duced by machinery : a machine will do as much with two or
three men to work it, as two or three and twenty men, or
two or three hundred men perhaps, could do without it.
There is a limit to what man can produce, but there is no
limit to what machinery can produce. If all the ports of the
world were open to England free, machinery would produce
in a little while what would supply and glut all the markets
of the world. While doing so the manufacturers
whentoresofttntgl,avnads
would be multiplied a thousand fold ; and

ctllturt

be a atatting nation. (Hear.) instead of bringing some
only to the sthrving point, they would, when stagnation came,
bring all to the starving point, and leave none to feed them.
What can be done, fhen? I-do not intend to weary you
by going largely into this question ; but I wish very mu(
•

willing

b

e wages o.

y know how-fanianage

they have ma

them with lhaving c

place a fe

; but I state a fact that during those distnr-
...ey gut rid of their old stock of goods; they sold
them off; the men struck ; they would not work ; they got
no wages ; they withdrew their balances from th savings'
banks, and lived upon their savings. No goods were pro-
duced ; the home market must be supplied ; the old stocks
were brought out, and they kept the people at bay ; and in-
stead of giving them wages, they were obliged to live upon
their own balances out of the savings' banks. lam stating
a fact; I ds not accuse any person of wilfully bringing about
his state of things, but the fact resulted so that many stores
were cleared of the old goods, and the master manufacturers
pocketed as much as would realise the £30,000 they now
want, while the poor people were getting no wages, but liv-
ing upon their own savings. (Hear.) This was one cause
of the smaller consumption of articles of food in England
during those few months, a cause of the fall in prices, not
from. any larger quantity of the article, but absoltittly be-
cause there was less of it eaten. (Hear.)
There is a passage here before me from a speech of this
same Mr. Cobden, who has been mooting this question
with so much' animation in various parts of country, a
passage from a speech he delivered in Edinburgh, which comes
to this subject of wages ; and I am willing you should hear
what he has to say :—" When the late corn law was passed,
1 asked if they were also going to pass a law to keep up the
rate of wages. I brought before.them, from the votes of their
proceedings, that they had declared, in answer to the peti-
tions of the hand-loom weavers, that there was no power in
parliament to regulate wages oflabour."—lt w•- perhar•
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oat that was made known to him. oas let
us into a secret here—it is in evidence that it is not in the
power of parliament to regulate the wages of labour. He is
not afraid of a wages clause; but if it were in the power of
parliament to regulate wages, he would not be so ready to
force it upon parliament to repeal the laws for protection of
agriculture. • (Cheers.) " I asked if they were now going
to pass a bill to raise the rate of wages ; and proposed a mo-
tion in which I declared that it was unjust to raise the
price of corn while the house had declared it had no
power to raise the rate of wages." It is unjust to lower
the price of corn, therefore, if the house have no power
to prevent the lowering of wages. (Loud cheers.) They
laugh at us for saying that the labouring man is better off
when bread is dear than when it is cheap ; but, neverthe-
less, it is true. (Hear.) Dear bread is better than cheap
bread ; you must get wages enough to buy bread, and you
may rest assured, my friends, that whatever collateral in-
fluence may be brought to bear upon this subject, and.how-
ever difficult it may be to take clear views of it divested
of those influences, upon the right side and upon the left,
and however temporary effects may be produced by extra-
neous causes, yet in the long run, and upon the broad scale,
the price of food will and must regulate the price of wages.
Therefore when food is cheap the poor man is worse off than
when food•is dear, because, if even he can get his food for
half the money, if he only gets half the wages, he is worse
off, because he has but the other half of the smaller sum to
devote to everything else he wants besides food. (Loud
cheers.) I endeavoured to make this as plain as possible in
a little dialogue I remember giving to a meeting in this town,
and which was printed; that dialogue, which had a large cir-
culation, contains an argument -which these gentlemen have
never condescended to answer, yet they now crow as if they
had answered it. They crow like a cock that has all his own
way throughout the whole yard—(laughter)—and they are
persuading people to believe them because the respectable
portion of the community do not take the trouble of con-
tradicting them. They are going through the whole country
from town to town; they have come here now, and they had
a gathering to-day to settle what is to be done, and they will
have a much greater to-morrow. They state things with as
much boldness and effrontery as if they had never been re-
futed ; they argue as long as they can get the smallest bodies
to believe them, and whilst they are endeavouring to make
persons believe them they are gaining converts. The re-
spectable part of the community, on the other hand, have
not thought it worth while to get up a counter agitation, to
argue against these men, and to enlighten the mass of the
people. The gentlemen of the country have paid you a high
compliment; they are satisfied with your good sense, and
they do not think it necessary to send lecturers among you
to keep you from the fallacies and the misrepresentaions of
the lecturers of the Anti-corn-Law League. They have given
you credit for common sense in this matter; and I should be
very glad if you would justify in this town the opinion formed
of you, for while there are many gentlemen in the town who
disapprove of this agitation, none of them have come forward
to say so,—(hear)—they have called no counter meetings,
which they might have done ; for it would be as easy the, day
after to-morrow, or the first day the Amphitheatre may be
disengaged, to fill it with the friends of good order, the
monarchy, the church, and the corn-law—(hear),—as it is
for them to have it full to-morrow of the friends of repeal.
(Cheers.) Why do we not do it? You do not require it;
you are satisfied already. (Cheers.) Before I conclude, and
in order to bring you back to the special subject of the meet-
ing, I wish to mention another topic introduced by Mr.
O'Connell in his letter. " The people of Ireland have a
direct and immediate interest in the miseries and misfortunes
of England. When England is strong and prosperous, she
is uniformly harsh, cruel, and unjust towards ireland. When
England is in distress, she courts or conciliates the Irish
people, or submits to the necessity which then arises of doing
some injustice to Ireland." The public mind in Ireland is
favourably influenced by the thorough knowledge the Catholic
clergy and laity have, that the Catholic church in that
country cannot possibly be free, without the restoration of
an Irish parliament ! (Hear.) He describes what he means
•by freedom to the Catholic church, by the restoration of
an Irish parliament ; and one thing he aims at by this resto-
ration is what he calls " the fixity of tenure." I think it
highly probable that many of those I have now the pleasure
to address, may not be in possession of the meaning of this
phrase " the fixity of tenure." Mr. O'Connell wants the
people of Ireland to feel they have hold upon their farms
whether the landlord choose or not—that they are all pro-
prietors ; and he gives this description of it • himself :
" I am greatly obliged to my friend, Mr. Moylan, for af-
fording the information that the tenant who plants trees, and
registers those trees, possesses a property in them, even after
he has left, or has been driven from, the farm on which they
are planted "—So he has a property in the trees upon the
farm, after he gives up the farm to his landlord ! He says
then—" This opens a new view to my mind, and I think that
there is no improvement which the tenant may make that he
may not equally secure to him a property in it if he should
adopt the same means of registering it. (Hear, and cheers.)
Let him, therefore, register every improvement, whether in
planting, draining, or whatever else he does, and he may
possess a like property in it, whatever be the improvements
he may have effected."

Here is a " fixity of tenure !" He wants the poor man to
have real possession of the land ! But here what follows :
I may be in error, but the principle is a vital one—one of
vast importance to Ireland--one which cannot be too wisely
carried out, and 1, therefore, say that it demands attentive
consideration (hear and loud cheers.) Let it be known
that almost all the proprietors of the soil in Ireland have
their possessions by force and fraud. (Cheers.) I told
you at first that the movement was a revolutionary one
against the aristocracy and the monarchy o the kingdom.
(Hear.) It is so; and now I come back and show you
that this part of it is in the very language I have last read
is based upon essential principles which we have alWays
told you belong to the Roman Catholic Chcrch in Ireland.
She holds the principle which maintains, as we have often
shewn you, that the proprietors of the land being Protestants,
have no just title to that land—that it was not in the power
of the King of England to give that title—that they possess
their land by fraud or force, and not of just right. This it
the principle which lies at the root of all good govern-
ment, peace, and quietness in the land. There is just cause,
then that thelovers of order in this land. (Hear and cheers.)
should, calmly and constitutionally, peaceably and plainly,
address the legislature—that they should in well-arranged
petitions setting forth the grounds of their alarm, and stating
the principles on which they wish to be governed, to inter-
pose between this republican party that is raised up against
England sod Ireland, and against the constituted authorities
of our limited monarchy—(cheers)—for you may rest as-
sured that the question is not merely the repeal of the union
between England and Ireland, though that is put forward,
nor a repeal of the corn-laws, though that be put forward.
(Hear.) These would be taken as " instalments ;" but the
question behind and beyond both of them is, whether we
shall remain a limited monarchy and a Protestant church—
whether there shall remain a circulated and a honoured Bible
—or whether there shall be a prostration of all regulated
authority in the lands before a rising republican revolution,
that would sweep away the altar and the throne, and take
our Bible and our church from us, under the pretence of
giving cheap loaves to the poor. (Tremendous cheering,
when the reverend gentleman resumed his seat.)
The Rev. W. Btermrt commenced by reading the resolu-
tion, to the effect—" That this meeting, convinced of the
high and paramount duty of using, in the defence and for
the furtherance of the pure Gospel of Christ, all those means
which are providentially and constitutionally placed within
their reach as Christians and British subjects,—and fully
sensible that such duty remains unchanged in its principle
and obligation, whatever changes may take' place in the go-
vernment of the country,—do now determine to renew their
application to the Imperial Parliament on the subject of the
College of Maynooth, wherein they firmly believe that prin-
ciples and practices are taught repugnant to the Word of
God, hostile to the Protestant monarchy of Great Britain,
and such as, if prevalent, must prove subversive of the civil
liberties, as well as•of the Scriptural privileges, of English-
men." This resolution, he said; set forth the cause why the
meeting should petition parliament—namely, that the prin-
ciples taught at Maynooth, if carried out, would subvert their
civil and religious liberties, especially that religious liberty
founded on the. Scriptures, which they enjoyed as English-
men. There were differences of condition amongst men in
their worldly pursuits, those of the greatest ability and
energy necessarily holding the highest stations; but reli-
gious liberty taught them that they were sinful and all alike
in the sight of God. If we possessed this liberty, all other
liberties would follow in its train ; and other liberty was
valueless without that which they derived from their Bibles.
Ancient Greece was refined in literature and art, but not
having this humanising and redeeming liberty, she had her
slaves. Sparta, too, had her Helot. Even at the present day,
if they crossed the Atlantic, America toohad her slaves ;
and he rejoiced that England, protestant England, was the
first, through the influence of religious liberty in the true
sense of the word was the first to show an example by
emancipating the slaves from bondage. If schools were so
conducted that scriptural education formed a great part of
the instruction to youth, they would belsubversive of all
liberty both civil and religious. Let them remember that
" example swayeth more than precept ;" and it was not
enough that they should talk of the Bible ; they must show
that they read, marked and resyected the truths contained
in the sacred volume, without which all the noble qualities
of the mind became corrupted. They should not only deeply
study the scriptures themselves, but having imbued their
minds with what they contained, lead others to entertain
similar sentiments of the saving grace. He cordially moved
the resolution.

The Ite;.YHOMAS NOLAN, in seconding the resolution,
said that as on the last occasion when he had spoke from
that place, he had to congratulate them on having met in
such numbers again to welcome amongst them their
worthy
chairman. He concurred with that distinguished individual
that they ought not to give up principle, or to relax in their
exertions to attain the object in view, although there was
certainly some points to discourage them. They were taught
by that book on which their faith rested, that it was theirs
steadfastly to perform their duties, and that the results were in the hands Of the Almighty. On this principle they were
now banded together. The argument they bad heard was
not so obviously a Scriptural one as at first sight it really
was, and it might be said that it touched too strongly on po-
litics. But they must speak out, for the question was, was
the church to be or not to be; whether, in fact, our noblest
'institutions were to be overthrown and supplanted by a re-
publican—a revolutionary form of government, and tbo ward
of truth wrested from their bands, which would be the result
of popish encroachment, and the abrogation of the corn-

lave,trectnnoli /bight *rite One thing in Ireland, and
suppress It here for his own purposes;--(hear, hear,
hear)--and Lard Morpeth might .show a sympathy for the
slave-holders of America, and give, when called on, a
mufflad tone to the "liberty bill ;" but to this it would
come if they did not bestir themselves. Protestants must
maintain their vantage ground, and repel them. It was
even mercy to themselves to check them in their career.
The institute Maynooth, and every thing connected with
it, they were especially called upon to deprecate. It was
a summary fur carrying out all those principles, the re-
sults of which were found in the harrowing details from
time to time in the columns of the Irish newspapers. With
respect to the coin laws, their repeal would be fraught
with destruction to the Irish population. We bad ,manu-
factures which they had not the advantage of—as they de-
pended almost solely on the soih Here the Irish agricul-
turist got a ready market and a good price for his pro-
duce, and the removal of the corn-laws would involve that
country in utter ruin. The petition had already been
passed by a very large meeting, who were unanimous in
its adopt-ion, and as they all knew its contents, it was
unnecessary again to read it. The recent change of go •
vernment did not effect the principles upon which it was
founded; and they were still in open hostility to Maynooth,
whose priests had forsworn the Word of God. After a va-
riety of other remarks, he concluded oy seconding the mo-
tion.

The motion was put and carried unanimously and enthu-
siastically.

The Rev. F. PARRY moved the second resolution in an in-
teresting address ; but we have not space or time, on the
eve of our publication, to report his arguments or furnish any
details of the subsequent proceedings.
The resolution was to the effect that the petition was such
as ought to be signed by every Christian man.
The Rev. Mr. FALLOON. seconded the motion, in a very
animal ed address.

The resolution was then put and carried unanimously.
The Rev. CHAIRMAN then addressed the meeting in sup.
port of protestantism, in a very animated address, which was
received with great enthusiasm.

Mr. JOHN SHEPPARD:i;Tindsome terms, then proposed
a vote of thanks to the chairman, for his zealous and eloquent
support of the cause. This was seconded by Mr. H ARBORD,
and carried by acclamation.

The CHAIRMAN, in returning, thanks, referred to the
Protestants of Ireland, who were ever ready to suppOrt their
blethren in England, and were in truth "noble fellows."
The petition, which had previously obtained many signa-
tures, was then numerously signed by those present, and the
meeting dispersed.

SIR CHARLES WOLSELEY AND THE LEAGUERS

TO THE EDITOR OF THE' MORNING CHRONICLE

DEAR you, for a few minutes, take your mind's
eye from off the promised (by the Corn-law League) £50,000,
and attend to a few observations I may make, and answer
certain questions that a matter-of-fact man has an inclination
to put to you ?

I will first premise that I have no confidence in the Anti-
Corn-law Leaguers. They belong to a caste which, in a
letter I addressed to the Agricultural Association of the year
183 G, I spoke of in the foll Owing terms, viz., " I observe the
most strange discordance in your views, (naming the landed
proprietors,) even now in the days of your noviciate, and long
before the trying season,. when you will be front to front with
the crafty enemy—namely, the moneyed, mercantile, and ma-
nufacturing interests. In their forces you will find no re-
semblance to your condition and conduct ; full of envy and
rivalry, as they are one xith another, you will on the•day of
trial be astonished at their adroitness."

I have no confidenel,:lntienl,leCiiuse their language,When
speaking of the landed gentry, is coarse and vulgar, branding
them with tyranny, selfishness, and of being gorged with
wealth torn from the Working-classes of their. couniry. Now,
sir, I defy the whole league itself to point out one individual
who has made a fortune out of his estate in land ; and, as to
their wealth, I am convinced that, as a body, they are on
the wrong side of the page! Would, there, however, be the
same difficulty in showing up the riches and wealth of those
of their own body? And let me ask from what source have
they procured that wealth, unless it be from the sweat of the
brow of the working manufacturers ? And is it not proved so
by the conduct of their own men in the innumerable " strikes
and turns-out" for these many years past ; and did not men
prove it positively by their conduct in the late disturbances,
in their attack's on the property of their own dear friends?
And have I not seen a report of a whining speech of Mr.
Cobden's on that very subject—aye ! asking why they did not
go and destroy the property of the landlords, instead of at-
tacking that of their dear friends?

I hae no confidence in them, because they either seem, or
pretend not to know what they are about ; and at a meeting,
the other day, at Birmingham, Mr. Muntz, M.P., told them
very quaintly, " they had begun at the wrong end !" And
this from a friend ! Now, sir, there are two certain printed
letters, very well known; the one signed " Civis," addressed
to Lord 'John Russell, the other to Sir Robert Peel, signed
" Miles," both written by the same person, to get the poor
league out of the dilemma of " having begun at the wrong
end." It would be well were they to take a lesson from
" Civis," although the consequence might be that they would
know whether they stood on their heads or their heels ; but
never mind that, " Civis" points out to them the right " end,"
and will prove to them that the doing away of the Corn-law is
only as a drop in the sea towards the desired " end." And
here let me ask those aspirants to the estates of the landlords,
if the price of wheat at this moment is not as low, aye, lower
than it was previous to the Bank Restriction Act of 1797,
when out rushed the paper money, and which was before the
great bulk of the national debt was contracted? And is the
rent of land higher than in any other country, in proportion
to the cost of living? And have not the manufacturers re-
ceived as much protection as we have—nay, have there not
been prohibitions in their favour? And now, because the
continental powers have begun to rival them in manufactures,
is not all their appeals to the people about cheap food a cloak
to ruin the agricultural interests, in the hope of saving them-
selves at the expense of the landlords?
Once more before I finish let me recommend " Chris" and
" Miles" ,to these gentlemen ; and, though an enemy to all
monopolies or " corn lords," although I cannot attend to the
trash I see emanate from the speakers on the anti-corn law
side, I will not begin at the wrong end, and am, dear sir,
yours sincerely, CHARLES WOLSELEY.
Wolseley, Jan. 21.

[The al;o've was addressed to the Editor of the Morning
Chronicle, but not inserted.]

CARTHAGENA AND NEW GRENADA: IMPORTANT IN-
FORMATION TO MERCHANTS.—WC have learned from good
authority, that it is in contemplation to declare Carthagena,
in New.Grenatia, a free port, for the importation of goods
from all parts of the world. This measure will he discussed
by the Congress, to meet on the lst of March next, having
been already
Representativesdebatedand last year
arew when
the Senate for want ofen it passed the House of
.
time. Wp shall hail this measure as an augur of future
prosperity to our'young sister republic, in whose welfare we
have always taken a deep interest
—New York Herald.
JUDICIAL DECISIONS.—Considerable difference of opinion
has lately existed amongst the magistrates of Buckingham_
shire, as to the legality of magistrates deciding upon cases,
or summarily convicting at their private residences. In con-
sequence Sir James Graham has been written to on the sub-
ject, and he states in reply, " that in any district in which
there is a regular and fixed place for holding the petty ses-
sions, to which the public have access, the most desirable
course to adopt is that the cases which are to be brought be-
fore magistrates should be there heard and adjudicated,
though, certainly,
cases at the office of their clerk.—On Friday, in the Queen's
it is not illegal for the magistrates to hear
Bench, the Solicitor-General showed cause against a rule
which had been obtained against two Staffordshire magistrates
for a criminal information, for refusing to accept the names
of two persons who had been tendered as bail for a Chartist
rioter, named O'Neill, who had been very active during the
late riots in Staffordshire. The court took time to consider
the case.

THE LEAGUE REGISTRATION.—The "registration sys-
tem" of the League has received a capital expose in the Derby
Mercury of this week. " Men, women, and children," says
the editor of that excellent paper, "are registered in a re-
markably wholeshle manner; and that whether they are wil-
ling to appear in the character of National Anti-Corn Law
Leaguers or not." And he gives one instance as a sample of
many in Derby, with which we will close this article. "We
have a registration card before us," he writes, " of which (we
suppress the name, though we will show it any one who may
please to see it) the following is a copy
NATIONAL ANTI-CORN-LAW LEAGUE.
" is a Registered Member.
" Juseph Hickin, Secretary.
" No. 2,342, Registered by Thomas Madeley."
Now will it be believed that the individual here named is a
child scarcely seven years of age, an orphan, and under the
guardianship of a near relative, who himself is a staunch
Conservative, and a despiser of the League and all their cun-
ning and disreputable proceedings? and yet we declare that
such is the literal truth. We ask any man what will be the
value of the League's demonstration in Parliament, so far as
the number of their alleged supporters is concerned, got up
by means so thoroughly baseas these ?"—Halifax Guardian.

TESTIMONIAL TO J. E. TINNENT, Esc,., M.P.—On Fri-
day last, upwards of seventy gentlemen sat down to dinner
at the Albion Hotel, Manchester, for the purpose of pre-
senting to J. E. Tenuent, Esq., m.p., a service of plate for
his zealous advocacy of the act passed to obtain protection
for copyrights in designs. The plate consists of upwards of
a hundred pieces, weighing more than three thousand ounces,
all of silver, and, when arranged in order, would completely
cover a large dining table. The largest piece of plate is a
splendid centre-piece, about three feet in height, and costing,
we believe, about £5OO, manufactured by Messrs. Garrard,
Brothers, of the Haymarket, London, from a design by that
eminent artist, Mr. Cottrell. It represents a scene in the
desert, the story of the Turkish merchant endeavouring to
purchase of a poor Arab his favourite brood mare and foal.
In the centre of an oasis rises a large banana tree, with its
broad spreading leaves, beautifully represented in frosted
silver ; beneath its shade, upon his carpet, is seated the
Arab, smoking his long pipe, and the mare and foal are
standing near. The merchant holds in his hand a Well-tilled
purse; a handsome Turkish gun rests against the stein of
the tree,- a scymetar and a large roll or piece of fine cloth lie
on the ground, as if to tempt the Arab's love of weapons and
finery ; a large chest behind the merchant also contains a
quantity of cloth tendered in barter for the " Arab steeds; "
but all in vain ; for their poor owner rejects the glittering
prizes with a resolute mien, and with his hand motions the
merchant to take away his treasures; valueless, when offered
in barter for his priceless mare. The costumes, grouping,
and elegance of the whole design, with the spirit with which
it tells the story, attract the eye at once to this splendid
centre-piece. It is placed on a decagonal base of ebony, on
one side of which (in front of the design) is placed a silver
shield, on which is engraved the following inscription; this
being the only piece of plate bearing one :—" This service
of plate was presented to James Emerson Tennent,
&c.
at
to hi &c., member of parliament for Belfast, as a testimonial
s disinterested, zealous, and successful advocacy in par-
liament, of copy h right of design, in all branches of art and
manufactures.
b2y7 27th
Mr. January,Beni.
Smith,l3 of"
Duke-
street,
the exception of this centre-
piece, the whole of both services
of plate
le has
been
furnishedn c,
este
r
street, Lincoln's Inn-fields, London. The dinner service
consists of two candelabra,
two soup-tureens, four sauce-
tureens, eight salts ; four side dishes, with covers and warm-
ers ; one venison dish, with cover and heater to correspond ;
a
one 21-inch fish-dish ; two 17-inch flank dishes ;36 table-
plates, and 18 soup-plates. The breakfast service includes
a silver tea-kettle and stand ; coffee-jug, teapot, ewer,_ and
breakfast dishes and covers. A short time ago, a number of
gentlemen in Ireland presented to Mr. Tennent two large
and splendid ice-vases of silver, which were also furnished
by Mr. Smith ; and Mr. Tennent s wishes having been con-
sulted as to the style and patterns of these services, he ex-
pressed a desire that they should all be made to correspond
with these two vases, the form__ and pattern of which had
been copied from the celebrated Warwick vase. In accord-
ance with this wish, all the tureens_ and salts have been made
of the form and pattern of the Warwick vase, which is so well
known as to render further description in this respect unne-
cessary. The candelabra are very elegant, about 3() inches
in height, each having a centre candlestick and five branches.
The stem springs from some vine leaves ; the base is a tripod
upon which three sportive boys are represented, in frosted
silver, gathering clusters of grapes ; and around the stem of
the candelabrum is twined a fruitful branch
of the vine, with
its graceful tendrils. Upon the covers of the larger.., dishes
and tureens is beautifully embossed Mr. Tennent 's coat of
arms, with the family motto on the scroll, " Deus protector
nosier." His crest—a demi-lion. rampant nassant, bearing
in his fore paws a battle-as e—forins the handle of each cover,
and is beautifully executed in frosted silver. The whole ser-
vice is richly chased. with a border of reeds bound with a
fillet, and here and there a cluster of grapes, with vine leaves.

CLAIM AGAINST Tilt ()WAR dry TIIE
JESSIE LOGAN.

On Saturday certain of the crew of the Jessie Logan, which
vessel was recently abandoned in a sinking state, and after-
wards went to pieces on the rocks near Boscastle, appeared
before Mr. Rushton, at the Police-office, to prefer a claim
for wages against Mr. James Logan, the owner of that vessel.
Mr:Davenport, solicitor, appeared on behalf of - Col-
lins, one of the crew, the adjudication on whose claim, it was
understood, would settle all the others ; and Mr. James, bar-
rister, attended on behalf of Mr. Logan. •
Mr. Ellis read the terms of the articles, which showed that
the crew had engaged to proceed from Liverpbol to Calcutta,
or any other port of discharge in India, and on a trading voy-
age, not to exceed two years, to China, and back to a port of
discharge in England.

Collins resumed his testimony. They arrk ed at Calcutta,
aftei a passage of 112 days, and discharged their cargo. They
took in a general cargo, and sailed on the 4th September on
the homeward voyage. They put into St. Helena, where they
delivered part of their cargo ; namely, 150 bags of rice, 24
bags of paddy, 82 boxes of cigars, some tobacco, shoes, and
hats. Money came on board for these goods, and was saved
when they abandoned the vessel. The rice was cargo, but
the paddy and other articles belonged to the master, and was
on freight. They lay off St. Helena three days, and did not
put in any where else. When the vessel was sinking, with
twelve feet water in the hold, the Lynx schooner came to
their assistance, and the crew abandoned the Jessie Logan,
under the command of the master. lie (witness) lost all.
The money at St. Helena was taken on board in bags. The
master took it away in a box. There was about £l5O. A
chronometer and barometer, with several cases of ivory or-
naments, and a pair of epaulets, were also taken from the
sinking ship. The sum of £l4 Bs. was due to witness when
he left the vessel. .

By Mr. james.—A man went ashore sick at St. Helena.
Three men were shipped there. Witness did not know that
it was money that was brought on board at St. Helena, save
from its outward appearance. Had received Lb 153. advance,
besides stores. The vessel left St. Helena on the 29th No-
vember, and was abandoned on the 15th instant.
Richard Cowburn, second mate of the Jessie Logan, con-
firmed much of the evidence of the last witness. They de-
livered 150 bags of rice, part of the cargo, at St Helena.
The master said he sold it at St. Helena, because he could
get twice as much for it there as at Liverpool. The log-book
was lost. [The Captain.—lt was washed overboard.] When
the vessel was abandoned, the captain took from her a box of
money, some cases of ivory ornaments, a barometer, a chro-
nometer. and some other goods. The box of money was
given into his (the mate's) charge, and was taken on board
the schooner, which landed them at the Cove of Cork.

By Mr. James.—The rice was consigned to Liverpool.
The paddy, hats, shoes,' and cigars were the captain's, who
took them to sell at St. Helena on his own account. He
(the captain) said he sold the rice there because he got more
for it than he could get at Liverpool, and he would have sold
more rice, but he did not know that Mr. Logan would be
pleased with him. Did not know that the captain sold it to
pay the man who went ashore at St. Helena. There were
two bags of money. They were placed in the cabin. The
one felt like dollars, the other like shillings or sovereigns.
When the captain gave me charge of the box, he said, " Be
sure and don't forget that box of money." I believe the
vessel was insured.

Mr. James said he did not know to what period the man
claimed.

Mr. Rushton : He claims up to the period of the loss.
Mr. James : I cannot conceive upon what ground.
Mr. Rushton : on the ground that goods saved were the
property of the owners, on which the mariner has a lien.
Mr. James.—The law on that subject is involved in some
doubt.

Mr. Rushton read the law as laid down in Abbott, which
was, that the claim of the seaman on goods saved ought not
to be as salvage, but for wages, as a seaman had a right to
cling to the last plank of a ship for his wages. Considering
the risk that he ran of losing his all, without the opportunity
of insurance, it was surely a ►noderate compensation that he
should be entitled to property saved in satisfaction for his
wages. The question here was, Mr. Rushton said, had the
,vessel earned anything since she sailed from Calcutta ?
Mr. James.—The goods were consigned to Liverpool.
Part of those sold were the captain's own property. The rice
was sold to raise money to meet existing exigences.
Mr. Rushton.—That may be heard in explanation. If the
rice was sold by the captain with authority, as merchandise,
the vessel earned money ; if for the necessities of the ship,
it is another matter. But, then, there is the box of money
saved, and every thing saved must be appropriated to the
payment of the seamen, for it is to be borne in mind, that the
great object of the maritime law is to induce seamen to cling
to the vessel.

Mr. John Major, late master of the Jessie Logan, was cal-
led by Mr. James. He said the rice, of which they had 500
tons on board, was shipped and consigned for Liverpool.
Some of the men were ill with scurvy on the homeward

voyage. At St. Helena he discharged one of the crew sick,
and others wished to go. He took three fresh hands on
board. He sold 150 bags of rice to pay the man whom he
discharged, and to enable him to wake advances to the three
men, to pay the doctor's bill and other charges. He sold
more than was necessary for his immediate purposes, because
he expected to have more men to discharge, and he: wished
to place himself in funds. He had no other reason whatever
for selling the rice. A box of money was saved from the
vessel when she was abandoned. It was the overplus of the
rice, amounting to about £9O. The chronometer saved was
his own property, the batometer belonged to the ship, and
was stolen out of the schooner at Cork.

By Mr. Rushton : I have not opened the box, as I do not
know whose property it is. It may belong to the under-
writers. About £35 of it is my own, being the proceeds of
the paddy. The hats and shoes saved are my own. They
are at the Custom-house at Cork.

Mr. Rushton said the balance saved belonging to the ship
appeared to be £55, which must go to the men.
Mr. James: It must only be an apportionment.
Mr. Rushton : It must be on this principle :—The men
are entitled to their full wages up to the 29th of July, when
they arrived at Calcutta. They are then entitled to a divi-
sion of the £55. the balance of the proceeds of the rice, in
proportion to their wages.
After some further conversation, from which it appeared
to be Mr. Rushton's opinion that the stores delivered on the
homeward voyage should be set off against the amount falling
to each under the apportionment, it was understood that the
men would be paid on the principle above laid down, Mr.
James remarking that Mr. Logan had no desire to act other-
wise than with liberality, though he had allowed the case to
be brought into court, in order,that he might avoid commit-
ting any error.