The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1848-12-12 00:00:00

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LIVERPOOLSTO

XCHANE

—Welearn that M

rHealey, Tinley,

son, chairman; Mill, deputy-chairman;
J. H. Brancker, R. Horsfall, Reynolds, Geddes, -Rawson
and Ashton, have resigned their membership of the corn
mittee of this association, for the following reasons, a
stated by a contemporary :—" Amongst several change
in the rules of the society recently made, one of the mos
important reforms was the power of appeal from th
decision of the committee to the public body; and such
an appeal has now been successfully made by one of the

exist t

incorrect

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CORRESPONDENCE,

GEOLOGY OF THE NEIGHBOURHOOD OF

LIVER POOL

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD.
Sin.,—Mr. Gladstone, C.E., has made a communication
upon the above interesting subject, and as his remarks
corroborate try views of the district, I will'restatc them.
In the year 1844 I published a " History of the Coal
Trade" in this district, as well as extensive notices of the
coal fields of Lancashire and North Wales, with which I
had become intimately acquiinted by professional

. .
menu, and in that work is contained the following passage :
" I am not aware that the Lancashire coal field is thoroughly
explored, especially. in the south-western division • the collieries
of fialsnead, l-luvton, and Prescott, are the furthest advanced
in that direction, and which are approachinz the old red sand-
stone, beyond which the country has been very little explored
by boring.

" An 6-pinion si
extends from tL

ems to prevail that the red sandstone which
s nei4libourhnod to Liverpool, and across

3heshire, is inilic•ative of a clef
tppear that any trials have bee

ciency of coal; but it does not
n made to such an extent as to

ascertain the fact; and it is matter of curious speculation, as
to whether there be any well-grounded assurance against coal
existing underneath the Liverpool red sandstone. 1 confess it
does not appear to me that there is, and I think that deep bor-
ings will hereafter prove a continuation between the Lancashire

1 North Waks seam."

Now since the above- publication I have ascertained
that the south workings of Torbock Colliery, near llnyton,
in Lancashire, met the red sandstone in the form of a
downthrow tronble, and beyond which they explored lit-
tle. The workings of the Ness Colliery, also in Cheshire,
were interrupted on their progress north by the red sand-
stone intervening in the shape of a downthrow tronble.

Now the whole of the intervening space being covered
by the red sandstone, of various hues, in some c,:ses ap-
proaching to white, and the carboniferous strata of both
districts being clearly depressed at this juncture, leaves not
the least room for doubting that an immense coal field
underlies the red sandstone throughout the district,
as represented by the accompanying profile;

R.. 1 Sandstone
Formation.

Supposed Coa F

• -a
rG

/ .11-1 F 0 `'7

and the soft nature of the rocks, and the favourable posi-
tion in which they lie with respect to level, would warrant

an opinion

be very a(

vantareous for

le who]

problem is contained in the thickness of the red sand-
stone in the heart of the basin which appears to be the
'Jed of the river Mersey, in a similar manner to which the
river Dee is proved to he the centre of that part of the
Welsh basin, before it is thrown down by the intervention
of the red sandstone formation.

If, then, there be any truth in the above theory, how
important might not the speculation turn out for a few
principal proprietors of land, or capitalists, to unite in
putting down a borehole, contiguous to the river Mersey,
to the depth of 100 or 150 fathoms, under the
tit-

ment of persons of practical knowledge and respectability ;
for if once the coal strata of the district is ascertained to

tere,' an unlimited"supply would_be laid open in the

sumption or export

—Yours, &c

Newcastle-on-Tyne, Dec. (, 1848,

BIATTS. DUNN,
Colliery Viewer,

ELIHU BURRITT ON DOING AWAY WITH

IE POLICI

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD,

SIR,—T went last night to hear Mr. Bnrritt, and as I
consider our police just bearable because they are neces-

grateful to that gentleman if 'he would favour the magis-
tracy with a few of the working details of his plan.
Mr. IL's theory is a very beautiful one, if all men were
virtuous, which remark will apply to many other modern
hallucinations. He very prettily illustrates the progress
of society, from its foundation by a single family to its

present enlarged and comprehensive structure, by com-
paring it to a sequence of concentric circles. Firstly, the

into a village or township; se-

condly, the circle of towns, constituting a province or
county ; thirdly, the circle of counties, or,ganized into a

)se welfare can only be pron;oted by the cultivation of

the arts of peace and commerce. So far, so good. Peace
is always preferable to war. But Mr. Burritt says the
notion of an " armed peace" is an incongruity ; that con-
sequently the hedgehog has no need for his prickly coat
t),, .•

ainoceros his bulky covering—that t.. ..,on in
future may be treated with as much respect if he doff his
shaggy mane and thrust himself into an.assrs skin, as if
he still strutted with all the proud and dignified demean.

But as he has shown IN how society was origi-
nally formed, he had better endeavour to estalilish his
principle on the same basis, and begin with the first of
his concentric circles. Let him curb a wilful child with-
out the rod ; let him keep a township-in harmony without

'urn eStal

er in a county without a

•
magistracy ; let him rule a nation without law ;. and then
but not till then, I will acknowledge that there is some
probability of-orgarizing •pent,eftil relations throu ghou
. .

the world, without the neces,ity at standing- armies, or,
in other words, without the existence of an international
PAX.-

—I am, sir, &c.,
December Btb, 1848.

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVI

RPOOL STANDARD.

Strt,—Observing in your paper of the sth instant- a
paragraph entitled " Salvage," I beg leave to correct it
in some particulars. The Nimrod, instead of falling in
with the Elizabeth in hit. 47, long. 9, fell in with her in
lat. 52.55, lone. 5.10. So far from the vessel being un-
manageaLle, I was disma4ed in the Bay of Biscay, lat.
46.40, long. 9 20, on the 29th of October, and in twePze
days was off Holyhead, a distance of about 520 miles ; so
that I would ask the simple question, Was that vessel
unmana

tble?
was for food, whit

.
Then you say the first cry of her crew
eh I am ready to prove, if required, is
ived nothing from the Nimrod until I

and if what I then got on board from the Nimrod was
quickly demolished by the crew, it was owing to the pro-
visions being' fresh. The only provisions on board that

and rice,

had as
as they

were entirely done were par
much bread, flour, coffee, sugar, water, &e

'he crew

Capt. Pile's timely assistance, the Elizabeth would hare
had every chance of being lost. There certainly was little
appearance of that, when on the one hand I could hare

that it would be better fo!

Lssistanee, 1 instantly deci
all parties concerned that

. -
one of theirs. However, I sincerely and gratefully thank
Capt. Pile for bearing down upon me upon my hoisting
colours. I may add, that from: the 29th October to,the
13th November I spoke severaLvessels, but refused any
assistance, although they all very kindly offered.
I will be obliged by you' -ting the above in your

r inser
next, and remain, your obedient servant,
JAAIES SCOTT, Master
Liverpool, 9th December, 1848.
[We copied the paragraph from the Cork Constitution.]

ADDRESS TO THE PROTESTANTS OF THE
EMPIRE, BY THE COMMITTEE OF THE
NATIONAL CLUB.

SECOND SEarEs, No. XI.
Every member of the Roman Catholic Chord.

believes

that he.' owes to the Pope a perfect spiritual allegiance.
The most loyal members,, nevertheless, affirm that this
does not interfere with allegiance to a temporal Sovereign.
Still no one can maintain that such allegiance is-as perfect
as that of Protestants; for history records innumerable
instances where this spiritual authority has been success-
fully wielded against tlis, state.
_ Nothing, however, that we can do can alter the fact,

that all Romanists are in spiritual obedience to the Pope.
WitPiller WE? I I ICP it. *lino ohnll nnne. 4.... h,

THE LIVERPOOL STANbAItD.

Nov. 28, 1848

DOCK: COMMITTEE, THURSDAY
Henderson, (in the chair,)

Hope by ass

connected with that °flee,
luity and attention, to disci:

continue to go.on with
tertain towards each oti
that had hitherto been

erection of the building under the
their acts of Parliament. The sul

of a published lett

y stated that a r

tormed him on Wednesc
occurred in 80ld-street

•ded. by the NV

But the statesmen of this enlightened age think that
they have devised a safer and a surer plan. It is this.
The Pepe's co-ordinate authority is to be legalised, and
over him an influence is to be gained, through which the
Roman Catholic subjects of the empire are to be managed.
Now, the interests of the Papal See, and those of a Pro-
testant Monarch, are certainly not identical. Ordinary
minds believe them to be opposite. Roman Catholic
states find it necessary to defend themselves against Pawl
encroachments by the strictest regulations. And is it
likely that between our Protestant state and the Papacy
'0 causes of difference will arise ? What if they should

arise ? Could the state, in common justice, then turn
round and punish its Roman Catholic subjects for obeying
an authority which, for its own purposes, it would itself
have deliberately legalised ?
So long as the state refuses a division of ,
long it can justly assert its own, but let it once sanction
that. division, too late it will discover its error.
The accidental weakness of the Pope, either personally
or as a temporal Sovereign, must not be confounded with
the spiritual strength of the Papacy. The Pope may be,
as some of his predecessors have been before, a dotard, a
captive, or an exile ; but, notwithstanding, the Papal
system has never ceased to enthrall its thousands in Eng-
land--its millions in Ireland. Impotent at Rome, the
Pope may still be all-powerful in Connaught.
The Papacy, be it remembered, b.' ....

authority, so

lihle co-existing Popes. During three parts of a century,
the Italian Pope was cursing the French Pope, and the
French Pope the Italian. The Papacy has survived the
captivity of Fontainebleau, and the insults of Napoleon ;
and even now, whilst trembling before the Roman rabble,
the Pope, notwithstanding the deprecatory language of
the Irish Viceroy, fears not to place under his ban the
whole government scheme of Irish education.

We sav, therefore, be not betrayed into surrendering
the Queen's supremacy in the hope of furtive

gain ; and

now that it cannot

cusappear from Ireland, because you
co-exist with loyalty, happiness, and peace_
Further, do not confirm and strengthen that system by
making to it continually unprincipled concessions—by

. .
giving " heavy blows and great discouragements to Pro-
testantism"—by placing on an equality with our British
Queen the Roman Pontiff, or by truckling to a priest-
hood which despises you for your pusillanimity, and hates
you for your faith.

The National Club is sometimes accused of a childish
fear of the Pope, through an exaggerated estimate of his
power. But, we ask, who are most fairly obnoxious to
the charge of over-rating the Papal power? Those who,
denying the Pope's pretensions, would :repel his inter-
ference, and despise his displeasure; or those who would

crouching to that faith's inveterate foe,-in invoking

ext,a-national assistance for managing ti
terns of the Queen's dominions ?

By the Committee,
W. H. BELLAMY, S

LOCAL MEETINGS

BIRKENHEAD Co:.irdisstoNaas.—At the usual monthly
meeting, on Tuesday last, Mr. R. Bryans presided.
Ilhe surveyor produced a plan for the effectual sewerage

of Thomas-street, so as to carry off the refuse of the
slaughter-homes and gas-works, which was ordered to be
proceeded with- at once. Eight additional shops and
stands have been let in the market. A revision of the
hackney coach fares was ordered to be made forthwith.
Mr. Harwood, formerly in the service of the board,
made a claim for £344 ; but the board came to a resolu-
tion that they could not recognise ' thou.'

the claim, s.
several members said it was a great hardship on Mr.
Harwood. The receipts at the ferry for the past month
-ClOOO 4s. ; for the corresponding month of 1847,

£1205 Is. ,a. r rout Apra z.. 3 to iNovernoer otr. 1,6315,
£10,280 17s 2d ; for the like period iu 1847, £13.44608 6d.
The totalexpenditure forthe latter period wasl;l79B 16s 7d.
The appointment of Mr. Gibson, engineer, has been can-
celled, in consequence of his declining to reside on that
side the river, and Mr. John Hall appointed in his stead.
Mr. Nicholls has beer. appointed book-keeper to the ferry.
In answer to a question from Mr. Golborne. the chair-

wan of the Ferry Committee stated that there was no
intention of raising the fares,.as it was quite clear that at
the reduced rate there would he a surplus after paying all
expenses:

—Present
Chilton,

Horst:ill, Bold, Rankin, Holt, Holme, Kendal, Sandbach,
Tobin, Poole, Wood, Aikin, Mann, Saunders, and Lock-
ett. The chairman said, that having had the honour of
being appointed by the unsolicited choice of the trustees,
to the responsible office of chairman of the committee, he

those duties

in a manner that would best secure the interests of the
estate. He hoped the same harmony, that had prevailed
at the board for many years past would still continu
although differences of
mug necessarily prevail

liopti they would

he same mutaa. 1 feeling,a

the same respect and esteem

oners, requesting

phns,

pleat-ton from the emigration comm.
that the Dock Committee would prepay
state the terms on which they would give a site of land
and erect a building to he used here as a place for the
reception of emigrants, previous to their embarkatior
The object of establishing ••

;own was

to prevent poor emigrants from being-- plundered by the
harpies, who infested the neighbourhood of the docks.
Mr. Aikin said nothing was more desirable, but still he

Sub-committee of Works.—We have been informed that,
after the reporters-retired, the following. resolution was
adopted :—" That Mr. Nicol htwing been deputy chair-
man several years„and enjoying the full; confidence of this
COmmittee, he beappointed a member of every sub-com-
mittee."

HEALTH COMMITTEE.—This body met as usual on
Thursday, Mr. Tinne in the chair. The Inspector of
Nuisances having made his customary repert, some con-
versation took place respecting the want-of ventilation in
the Council-roomy. Mr. Harbord complaining- that al-
though many plans were proposed, nothing was done to
remedy the evil. Mr. Bennett, in reply to a question
put by Mr. Neill, stated that the Vestry, had decided on
erecting another story to the fever sheds•-near the work-
house, but not with-the intention of putting either fever
or Cholera patie

nts into the sheds. It was only intended
that the sick and infirm should be placed in them. The
Medical Officer stated, in reply to a question from Mr.

than it had been. for many years . The case of
cholera to which reference was made last week by Dr.
wftc all.--led to by that gentleman in consequence
from Mr. Foulis, the staff surgeon.

Dr. Duncan still adhered to the opiniou he had expressed
previously, that it was one of

Ti, not of Asiatic
[heal man had in-

r of a cholera case which had
A report by the Heacl Con-
'etch Committee, with refer-

Committee as to

the assistance to be rendered by the police-fort,,
ing out sanitary regulations, was read. This drew as.
sharp observations from Mr. Harbord, respecting the ir-
regular mode irk, which the report books of the Watch
Committee were-kept. In the course of some remarks

on the subject of. cholera, which followed a question put
by Mr. Stitt, Mr. Harbord, as chairman of the joint sub-
committee of the Council and the Select Vestry, stated

tnar, attnougn. it was quite unnecessary to alarm the
public mind about preparations for cholera, in event of
such a calamity occurring, within forty-eight hours every
1 I /V* • •

business

Upon a division, there were 28 for, and 28 against this
amendment. The Mayor gave his casting vote ugainst it,
and it was accordingly lost.
Mr. WAGSTAFF moved as another amendment, that the
proceedings of the Finance Committee be confirmed, ex-
cept the recommendation that the committee be autho-
rised to purchase one or more steamboats for the efficient
working of the ferry, and to put the hotel and premises
into tenantable repair.

Mr. TuomsoN seconded this amendment.
A lone; discussion ensued ; and, upon a division, Mr,

Before the division took place,

Mr. H. HORNBY gave notice, that in the event of Mr.
Wagstaff's amendment being carried, he would move that
the management of the ferry be taken out of the hands of
the Finance Committee, and intrusted to
mittee of the Council

other corn-

Mr. BENNETT moved another amendment, that the pro-
ceedings of the Finance Committee be confirmed, except
that it be an instruction to the committee to advertise the
ferry and hotel for two consecutive weeks, to be sold by
auction, previous to any plans being taken for the con-
struction of new boats and the repair of the hotel and
premises.

This amendment was adopted as an instruction to the
committee; and the tedious discussion of the subject,
which lasted nearly three hours. was thus brouzht to a

close. It was understood that at the auction the Corpo-
ration would not sell the property under a certain re-
served bid.

The proceedings were confirmed

DOCK COMM ITTEI

The proceedings of the Dock Committee comprised an
agreement for the purchase. from the Earl of Derby and
Lord Stanley, of land north of the present Dock Estate.
This gave rise to another long debate, but eventually
the purchase was confirmed.

mittee, and Mr. Henderson was elected Chairman of the
Dock Committee, by a majority of eleven, over Mr. Nicol.
The numbers were—
Mr. Henderson

The Council adjourned at five o'clock to eleven o'clock
to-morrow, for the disposal of the remainder of the

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.