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THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD.

the government could grant would be free trade with China,
free settlement in India, and a due maintenance of British
rights, enforced by a British resident at Canton. For another
prospective reform, not indeed directly mentioned in the speech,
but announced by the noble lord, (Lord Althorp,) he had to
thank the administration. That measure was corporation re-
form. The inhabitants of extensive constituencies were pecu-
liarly interested in that measure, and few snore than the vast
community to whose partiality he was indebted for the distinc-
tion of representing them in parliament. He felt confident that
the firmest dependence of the ministry was on their determina-
tion to promote general amendment. Let that be their leading
principle; it would prove the most practical and effective
answer to the complaints of theh opponents. In the course of
sound reform it was impossible to pause, Unless we thought we
could except ourselves from the common law of nations, and
arrogantly, but vainly, claimed an exemption from the ordinary
institutions of mortality.
Sir li,. INGLIS then rose and said, that previous to the speech
from the hoesmember for Liverpool, with the exception of a
few words from the. hon. members for Lincoln and Knares-
borough, little had been said in the course of the last two nights'
debates, on any other subject but Ireland. A stranger coming
into the gallery would be apt to think that they had met to con-
sider the darling question of the hon. member for Dublin—the
Repeal of the Limon ; and that they were then sitting in deli-
beration on College-green. (A laugh.) The hon. member for
Knaresborough had said a few words on the subject of our fo-
reign policy, but nothing had been said by any one else (with
the exceptions he mentioned) but on the subject of Ireland
alone. Now, though he did not deny that Ireland was entitled
to a fair proportion of consideration in that house, he denied
that it was entitled to a monopoly. They had heard the errors
of the government, and the misery of that country discussed in
detail ; and they had heard remedies for these evils discussed,
without knowing anything of what the government proposed to
do iu regard to them. Now he thought there were other most
important subjects which likewise demanded the attention of
the house. There was especially that of the church establish-
ment in this country. All who heard the sentiments expressed
by several hon. members must see that the established church
is in danger. He would have believed it impossible that such a
system of spoliation could ever have been meditated as he heard
argued by several members during the present and previous
night's debate ; and more especially by the hon. member for
Lanark. Such a system could never be pursued regarding
either branch of the church without shaking it to its very foun-
dation. It would be the prelude of the destruction of all pro-
perty iu tithes, whether ecclesiastical or lay. The result, he
felt convinced, would be, that no stop could be put to the spirit
of innovation till there was an Agrarian law introduced. He
thought he had good reason to feel alarm when he saw his Ma-
jesty's ministers submit a proposition to that house of a more
equitable distribution of the property of any class of his Majes-
ty's subjects. Whatever the result might be, he could not but
consider that a bad omen of the future. He would not follow
the hon. member for Dublin in the detail into which he went on
the subject of the Church of Ireland, because the whole subject
would he fully discussed in the course of the week, but he (Sir
It. Inglis) hoped that the house would not think that the asser-
tion made by that hon. member could be maintained, that one
Irish prelate derived the tithe of 90,000 acres.
Mr. O'CONNELL corrected the hon. baronet. He had said
96,000 acres.

Sir R. INdus was glad to be corrected by the honourable
member, as it showed That he did not speak without premedita-
tion; but he (Sir R. Inglis) cautioned the house not to believe
that the amount stated by the hon., member, as being the re-
venue derived by the prelate in question, was correct. The
hon. hart. then went on to say, that he considered it singular
that no allusion had been made iu his Majesty's Speech to sub-
jects of a domestic nature, which he thought should not have
been omitted. Nothing had been said of our having got rid of
that dire scourge, the cholera morbus (a laugh,) or of the
abundance ()Nile late harvest. He, however, felt grateful to
the noble lord opposite .for the form of prayer which had been
introduced in reference to these subjects. however lengthy the
Speeehmight beoonsidered, he thought that there were ample
materials of importance omitted to have at least doubled its
length.
Mr. H. W. PrAutiox said he was a magistrate in one of the
counties referred to in
.the speech, and could assert that Ireland
had been more disturbed during the last ten years than at this
moment. Frightful disturbances had occurred for, eighty years
past, before.the "great agitator" was born. When and why
was the Whiteboy, Act passed? By an 'lrish Parliament, to
put down the diScontented peasantry. The causes of these dis-
contents were hallows, aud-governmentwhiCh had caused distress
and violence in,lreland. He (111r,,Burron) always lived among
the people, and they knew that he made sacrifices to them, but
he was not spared by the murderers and plunderers. This was
not..party feeling of Catholic against Protestant. It was misery
urging to destruction. In the comity of Clare much worse con-
duct, tour .years ago, had been put down by vigour and deter-
mination—(cheers from the ministerial benches)—without seek-
ing any extraneous measures, or any suspension of the laws,
but by the laws. Limerick, Tipperary, Cork, and Waterford,
had all had similar disturbances, but they were all quelled (as
the present ones might be) in the same way. Ireland was not
confident in the law; because the law was, not-made for, but
against her. Her children had never been (disloyal. Let
history speak for their constancy to their chieftains, the O'Niells,
the O'Brien and the Desmonds. By the aid of her members
the Reform Bill of 1832 was passed, and in return they claimed
England's support as the right of a people ready to die for
William the Fourth. (Hear, hear.) Ireland but sought for
her own• management, as in 1782. He asked the noble (the
Chancellor of the Exchequer), who he (Mr. Barron) under-
stood was a good farmer—(a laugh)—what would the noble
lord think, if the farmers of Northamptonshire, after cropping
and draining the land of its produce, were to carry away the
produce ? Such was a case in point when the absentees of Ire-
land, who, , after draining.the fat of the land, left no manure
in its place. (A laugh.) He offered these sentiments as a well-
wisher for the happiness and prosperity, not only. of his country,
but the empire at large. (" Hear," and cries of "Question.'')
Amidst which

Mr. HUME moved- the adjournment of the question until
Thursday.

Mr:O6ONNELL seconded the motion, which was agreed to.
—Adjourned.
THURSDAY.

The SPEAKER took the chair at tour o'clock Several mem-
bers were sworn. A new member complained of the fees.—
The Speaker said that the complaint ought not to be made to
the chair without notice. _ _ .

Anew writ for the city of London was ordered, owing to the
death of Alderman Wanhman. .

Petitions were presented—by Mr. Mackenzie, from Perth;
Mr. C. Marjoribanks, from Berwickshire; and Mr. Mangles,
from Guildford, for the better observation of the Sabbath. By
Mr. Sergeant Spankic, from Clerkeuwell, for the repeal of the
house tax. By Mr. Hill, from Ilull, against the corporation
syssem. By Mr. F. Mirth, from Hastings, against the Beer
bill. By Mr. Retch, front Knaresborough,- against the window
tax. By Mr. Wilkes, from the Protestant Society for Pro-
tecting Religious Liberty, for the emancipation of the Jews.
Notices of Motion were given—by Mr. Wilkes, respecting
parochial registers, and the poor-rates on churches and chapels.
By Mr. Jervis, for corporation returns, and a bill to regulate
fines for freedom, &c. By Mr. Grote, for a return of the silk
imported from Italy, the Levant, Bengal, and China, front 1832
to 1833 (sth Jan.)—Agreed to.
The following Election Petitions were announced by the
clerk :—against the returns for Pctersfield, Oxford, Coleraine,
and Stafford, to be taken into consideration on Tuesday fort-
night; against the return for Bath, Tiverton, and Carnarvon,
to be taken into consideration ou ursday fortnight.
The following queries were put to the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer :—Did igovernment intend to alter the existing cor-'
porations in Scotland ? His lordship said, a bill for their re-'
form would be introduced when the Lord Advocate took his
seat. (Hear.) The English corporations would be reformed,'
and his lordship had no objection to a similar measure for Ire-
land.—Sir R. Inglis asked if all the necessary papers would be
laid on the table before the government motion was made res-
pecting the church of Ireland ? His lordship replied, that the
motion would precede the production of the papers. Did go-
vernment intend to amend the Beer Bill? His lordship replied
in the ucgative.—Mr. Finch inquired if government meant to
suppress the political unions ? Lord Althorp • replied " N
In reply to Mr. H. Palmer, Mr. G. Lamb said, that the passing
of Irish vagrants would he considered by the committee on the
poor laws.
The order of the day having been read for resuming the.
ADJOURNED DEBATES ON THE ADDRESS.
Mr. -Holm rose and said he agreed with the hon. member for Ox-
ford, that any one Nv opld suppose, after the turn the debate had taken
fur. the last two days, that the Commons of England had met and been
engaged in deliberation von matters which concerned Ireland alone.
Be felt it necessary to bring back the attention of the house to the
.real point in discussion. At the same time, whilst he complained of
the time occupied in the discussion of the Irish part of the question,
holutist.say that the fault did not lay with the hon. member for Dub-
lin, Or with the Irish members, hecanse a more pointed attack than
had been-made upon them he had never witnessed.—He had expected
that, with a reformed ParliaMent, we should have had a different prac-
tice as to King's speeches, and that ministers, as in duty bound,
would have given an outline of all the plans they had to recommend.
No-reference, however, was made to any one branch of industry, as
reouiring the consideration of the house. There ought to be a grea4
reduction of .taxation and lessening of expenditure. The middling
classes of society felt the pressure of taxation most severely, and it