The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1833-03-12 00:00:00

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wages was so low
not say the 101101
bare necessaries
ions to this ineties4o
the government
Pre,
ution of expenditued„
tep which the eve
:e was to place
,!,441
a committee.
is, which the ge'a, '
Dnseipence reduce( ,
menced the task °
er that they reighl
fficers to submit toted
iat the governulelV
The scale of salary?
.e a fit and efficielq6.
e salaries of persevk
er than the salaries,.
, but they were 0'0?
)üblic companies. e,l
ast India Comp as
the full as high °V
erannuations were,
that in the eye!?
to superannuatio
0
annually from the
rt of the holders °f
nment of the annoilev
different revenue old
eduction, if any, °tic,
ct with governmel/00'
Lone with as great eve,
ing to those etuPVI)
i as would insure lA,
, and take froul
iefraudin,g the rev e,°o
to keep those eniple.o
11 salaries as woulaw,
ionestly or careles%o
•ould not press 0,0
sent form, yet be
ht expose him to-

rig. that the hon•Al!lstertig
mated that an in. Loo,
Aficers would be ahe
eration would notbiel!
lling to give the Or„t%
claimed for the Nei
reductions woula
'
lie until they did ater,
a pensions altogeti;so
nissioner of custou opt
erannuated on acci°o;
11 from the term of
la salary of £lioo
0,000 a year. ( oeB otO
nce of this kind vcas

came out in this cli,seYo4
ep three in a heti.
e¢ol4
and therefore they ! tar
he had seen one
who had held a hiPali;
charge the duties, o,dr
and thus the coati' of
of the part who Os
He had noy wish t°oo
led upon to do so, 11,0
,l to whom he allo''',„fo,
pl
,711 situation in olle,(0'
to retire to make "?'
d, on his retireinelit,

to the circumstance. 13,)''
rcester (Mr. Robield)
ad been supernal° ,;
of £l2OO a year, obsed
.etirement took placeji,,
could state, that birriji
cut the retiring i1'„°607,4
ss than the scale ino-A,
in the discretion ef got
allowed to retire on tot/
question of the 0°10!
ich the Treasury c,°`0'0,,,/
ranee must de lend her
d the length of time
e who were acquaiedro
ns employed in the
perform would not fe,‘,
as ample. When the
Lain situations, it ongt)
a equally qualified for.?
g allowance. If qualified the
hey should not prefc,f3iii,
the country now l',oll
ild be different if tb-eal
1 number of qualifi.o,
a barrister, had 0,4,01.!
but here it was ot%-alli
a large body Of,„- Si!
action of those viusi sst
without any hope °'

Vynn Ellis, Mr. G"'- o
ed
successively addrof vi
irative low rates
official persons. ,91
I) wished to recall tio
that was really. 13'00
ed, that the salaries, in'
,ries had been raise,tl' i‘o
the currency.. lod
different gentleraeo; t
.eceived the smallere
of wages would "st
fission in that house's
eally had the wedltrthe
on that side or the 0 f
s of the necessity 9'17
:'hey must have tog
hear.)
.. Steuart and Mr.
ion. N o
rstood, was with&
COMMONS. •
house the motif
to a select cot
ion, relative '
mons. He
r of the him
t it did not
rho were cal
'y could not
was theref
rations cola(
in the prose'
rs. The rey
ect which
is occupied
house iu wh,
he accomm4
held in his
arded space,
e to make si
the object
ber might by
i be accomt
is width. F
ar that the
that as to I
.han one-halt
not includ
onveniently
such a dints
ly (which it
it) then, it w
In no place
he accounno,
refer to the e:
sed a few 1:1k,
ler was quite
acy commodat
tllery were
nost impossii
in, almost
hame that ti
ed in a situa
Men who
that house 01
on. He col
'embers had
mt inconven
blest men it
yhject, had
thoroughly.

fighter.
end The committee to whom this subject had been 4 re-
came to an almost unanimous resolution; the chairman
e he
believed, remained of a different opinion. They re-
isle:, first, "That it is the opinion of this committee that the
House•of Commons•does not afford adequate accommo-
seva for the members." He believed that scarcely one dis-
ili‘unent, Voice could be found oposed to this resolution. (Cries
*llO ,I°-, no," and "Hear, hear.") If there were any gentlemen
over tied from it, certainly their ideas of accommodation
Nth ollferent from his. The second resolution was, "That no
ease
eaccommodation or improvement as the necessity of the
for
4, ailed for could be made in the present House of Commons
'447 general convenience of the members." Looking to the
%ate' in which they were at present placed, he calculated
prat„ y lost from twenty to forty minutes in pursuing the old
illgtcoeof dividing, which rendered it necessary for one party to
ktaiso the lobby. It was frequently with the greatest difficulty,
temetaretim.es not without using gentle force (a laugh,) that the
‘'llt the were got out. If they continued the rule of sending
getier minority in which number, he feared, he should be
found (a laugh,) the consequence would still be, that
oil • `lolly
oafs who came early would be deprived of their seats,
toetZillortant occasions, and others who had not so attended
13t Dr; take possession 'of them. Hear hear.) In the case
Ilieli';'ate bills he had known men to sit'and vote contrary to
444 inclinations rather than run the risk of losing their seats
0111..
6 out. (Ilear, hear.) He had known members to
tostitet.;roained fast asleep in their places, and to have been
Posed
mate
supporting the very motion to which they were op-
•Et a n uivisions they could save half an hour it would
ete of very considerable importance, pressed as they
.c,t,h a variety of business. Now, with respect to build-
-4h ns7,ew house, he understood that the expense would not be
ttlt'T;., more than would be required for altering the old.
‘e4t,,'Lleas were thrown out on this subject. One was, to ex-
hist itue house by taking in the lobby. Next, it was suggested
44ei raight be enlarged in the direction of Covent-garden,
111.414ti4rie house of Mr. Ley would afford excellent site for
sadt • But they wanted proper ventilation; and in the
j,tllt—is4)eg the air would be obstructed by the House of Lords
°,7 gallery ; that was, therefore, objected to. Final-
asproposed to build in a direct line between that house
e).k e
dins'er, To thatproposition he believed there was scarce-
euting voice. lu England they were very deficient
Zseht;,"Pect to public buildings; but he could not have a mo-
eB;ihh,esitation in saying, that where business of such im-
Ved ,i7Portance was transacted, those by whom it was tran-
Oete,7"nld be allowed the utmost possible accommodation.
le "re tie felt no unwillingness whatever on the score of
,eat bins that consideration was a mere bagatelle.
thie ar.) Lookine to the national expenditure, copsider-
Ace. taanner in whibch the public money was applied, he
the propriety of devoting a sum to the purpose
"ad described would not admit of an), question at all.
'4'414 gtehtt.tle. men, he knew, cherished a strong recollection of
4'Y snx!it• had passed in that house, and were, in consequence,
11,4 esti,°,lls.that no change should take place. Ile.could rea.
feelings of gentlemen on that point, but, in
man, utility was wiiatltheey
_ought principally to keep in
grldr for ° ,that ground aon ~he was anxious to bring this
ward. There was a part of the house where idlers
I,l2hresorted. (A prolonged cry of "Bar, bar," and
hht s ter; the space below the bar affording at that. mo-
qtlnktractical illustration of the hon. member's meaning.)
eollees vet. plan might be adopted he hoped that the inconve-
s44l4 beat Present felt would be remedied. However, that
I,lthis,„ subject for future consideration :he did not
.wish
lettters' "" be done hastily. He thought it would be evident
is,kee",°tle, from the few observations he had made, that bet-
ir.taodation than the house now afforded was neces-
be„‘"e oil Proposed to move that the report of the select com-
toilers 'a"' session, for making the house more commodious,
14,,tteeteead to a select committee, and that the . committee be
report their observations and opinions thereupon
Fse., lie believed that the noble lord (Althorp)
this course. The committee could call for further iu-
oittb`te land have plans and estimates laid before them.
Itioh-,",,een a proposition to remove the house to another,
istc -all he felt satisfied that a better building might be
kes %,,''ellchere, but they could not well alter the situation of
lesst. ell—aolls without changing that of the Lords at the same
tie as he believed they were not prepared to remove the
v!tl'eseBs,- yet (great laughter), it wolud be better to preserve
l'hliel„-",,locality of the House of Commons. The hon. mom-
Nss-t• W7ed with a motion to the effect before stated.
the :he o;;,!;atarroN seconded the motion, and referred to the
''etl,ecees' Smirke, from which it appeared that there was
thrt'etis;l4edation for' more than 350 members in the house,
• here '"e space under the gallery, and allowing to.to.dfeettby.
Ligh-a-t hall for each individual. 560 members del, ed
kt,tll4 ' and, according to the calculation, 210 of the mem-
''teree s''°t have found convenient He was aware
sop blet e.,,qrsons thought a space of one foot eight inches by
be itiN't inches sufficient for each member, and upon that
-14110°,11 the house would accommodate more than 350, but
it,„411 consider the space allowed by Mr. Smirke too much ;
etrletl74 be borne in mind that members who frequented
Ytwo`s, usually required six feet by two rather than three
vs,'l,anghter,)—a consideration which, if taken ino the
el,•!es t''l!nt show that there was not accommodation fortmore
•',,,115e4,-:"‘J, members He objected to the oblong shape
.of
ralstAnconvenien. t and every way inferior to a semicir-
Lmt "so;',4lch would admit of a better position for the speaker
..•lch he now occupied. "Sir," continued the hon.
trte 4°u have not, like Janus, eyes in your head, and
dYu 41 -11 not always see in every direction. (Great laugh-
,e4e :aY, Sir you have not eyes in the back of sour head,
L'isOjh''not see -svhat goes on in that part of the louse be-
'll4 oralr, which is called, I suppose, from the superior
thgli4tin-.le 11)4, occupants, Solomon's porch. ( Laughter.) There,
jtsi there is frequently the greatest disorder, which
i'tktt(ki!,vented if you could have your eye on every mein
tijossArti ;I'M) On these grounds:because of its deficiency
se I°d
tin, • • nvenient shape, and bad arrangement,
s,“`kt;'rloke4tisil., with the resent house. One. of the recommenda-
,:)lll,lr,,in held in view for constructing a new house was,
1 `t•ito caue carried on without interrupting any of their pro-
@fight house or in the committee-rooms, and
m be completed by the commencement of the next
cIA4 kur
Or tob:,tl°llP admitted that when there was a full house
NVI) i.;"nience was felt, and such being the case, it was
,oisee; tt,,),(h:cide upon what was best to be done. Ile did
Le s this in the light of a ministerial
. or party question.
Ne,'" the house to consider as individuals whether
kklAttit,to"ll Was necessary. It would require a good deal of
N, 11141 Satisfy him that there existed a necessity for chang-
:4 by run of the house, but he was accessible to convic-
4sle iaq no objection to a select committee being ap-
ul 4,141(1114e into the subject.
te
Las agreed with the hon. member for Middlesex
iit.it should not constitute an obstacle to the proposed.
1, the alteration appeared to be necessary ; but the).
lloider, not whether the house afforded sufficient ae-
on two or three nights in the year—such as Wed-
at whether it was adequate to the transaction of
'very-day business? Had any gentleman ever
7hicil the ordinary business of Parliament could
,an in the present house ? The really inapor-
the country was done by houses consisting of
Members : was there not ample accommodation
It was better to have the house too small for
year than too large on all the remaining days.
'duals ever formed a deliberative assembly ?
!eted to any alteration, on the ground of the
feeling that might be produced by an aboli-
lssociations, and the abandonment of a scene
ollections of the noblest patriotism, and the most
,ce.
'"Ea observed, that he dissented altogether from
n•essed by the hon. baionet; it was on great
lug the best interests of the country that the
'e of members took place: and those were pre-
-I°ns when it was most important to afford ac-
itch the house did not now present.
tssoN said that, according to the hon. bart.,
r°olll for such an attendance as generally oc-
int," a turnpike-bill, but when great and vitally
arcise, t mattered not if the house did not
,nation one-half the members who attended.
'"oral feelings and associations on an oc-
he:V. questionwas as to the accommodation
Atind, that' t present there was not sufficient ac-
t be'ng the case, steps must be taken to
"A" said a few words, which were not heard in

.RD had sat in three Parliaments, and during
He
.40 deficiency of accommodation
lie did not
king a space of two feet nectss,ay for the ac-
each member• agree with the hon. member for
It was well knoin that in the
within a space of N inches. Why
liamnt occupy a larger space? (Great laugh-
tans (laughter, which was renewed on the hon.
ug the words, which he did three several times
invent in the house allowed him to proceed') the
itered the size of the Forum Itumanan
r.) He wished to follow
the exam i. (Pro.
" example of thelghter); he did nut want to get rid Qf the append'

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eto the 1),," 'Nk4`ne
obsercejt Asider,
use, tor",;4
,t p‘\ll ort I
it afford te:11 but
died 011,4°04 )1,,, ettoiai), ev
discP;oo,l,ol4.o4tbt,4tl wl
fore aPlctefot t the
Id be t coj that t,),!af
sent hecil-tila,, b, tee t! 1)2,,,00
eport o' 13-011' '4(l tht-•gber?
they °Poiaeo,?: the
for a e°„l3°)o,j '4llg he 44iyia
iich the' tc4,o• th ot,2bi„
Ile,- 4474°411
hand 600,4, It„-e4 id hleht
tip
re .a
0, v.oa'iter' It,eti hq'ttifitteeC
Merl 1510
proP"-Itaeodt '41C.,q1q4 f-ttis
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Froro 0.00
14be
,ance
hOUSe;Od3tilb kt4ktif,t-t4i°
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f the .e l° * • PRI& If 0 tho, get 4.kt bGt
ding.„dea to etti 44 it e
„, to .bjc m e cas,
tance.' oosS, cptestic
was 1°44 1,113 ji 4111 Mod,
as state:tell I,l' to tail
'.here 5
so 0',.; '4tlltltre the
0,10, the hi
odatiell ee ej-
esPeriell • (II k; it, 4en, an
Lightl,3Fx°,lleot
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ate rf be
lation.noe-ha
4, '1)1.
only t- pas9', V Uri.' [low AT
,sible. th:earerisi:g°,-10 ilttSl4ll:d
the buso e%":0; 'l4'd 4 tn]
latiou tteow of
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Tll4l. l'•
Dui laet koam%
Ow' th 'Peatin
nient t ' 'ol4llal
vos ). 4 tle
etti latL,l'er
been 1,-
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