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MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS' BILL.

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into consideration. He trusted that their lordships would enter
upon the discussion with a wish and a determination to meet the
spirit of accommodation which had been manifested by the
other house ; he trusted their lordships would meet the question
without the least degree of prejudive,"and manifest that their
Only wish was to carry into effect, what all must feel to be so
destrable—namely, to frame a measure relative to municipal
corporations, which should be good in itself, and satisfactory
and advantageous to the couittrv. The House of Commons had
adopted the amendments of the Lords relative to the rights ef
freemen with the exception of any discharge or exemption front
tolls. This was undoubtedly a right, but one of the must ob-
jectionable and onerous that existed. His lordship then pro-
ceeded to notice the other amendments in detail and concluded
by saying that he hoped their lordships would consider the
Commons' amendments with temper and moderation, and a
desire to conciliate and accommodate matters. It was super-
fluous for him to say he agreed in those amendments, seeing
that most of them consisted in -a restoration of clauses to the
alteration of which he and his nqble friends had objected when
the bill wa4.in committee, or in the adoption of principles fur
which they had argued. He cordially agreed in the Commons' ,
amendments, because he thought the bill greatly improved -by
them, and, therefore, he strongly recommended theirinsertion,
and begged leave to call their lordships' serious and *impartial
consideration„to them. (Hear hear.) The first amendment
consisted in an omission of certain words in the clause securing
the rights of freemen, to which he hoped their lordshipi would:

STANDARD.

not object; and, in conclusion, lie begged to move the atloptiolli
of it.

Lard 'L”:DHURST thought it .his duty to deliver his opinion.
on the present occasion, although a duty pleasant in some
respects st was painful in others. The first question to which
the Lords had directed their attention involved most important
rights of property of freemen. Those rights had been conceded
to a certain eiteut b the Commons, and their lordships were
desirous of extending diem and piecing the freemen on the same
footing as if this bill had not been introduced. The result was
successful; we had established those rights to the fullest extent, 1
and the step had been approved of by the House of Commons, 1
which, in a spirit of conciliation and accommodatiou, hid met !
the Lords on the point, and agreed to their amendment. Even if
we had accomplished nothing more, yet in that respect we had
gained a great and material point,—(hear, hear)—and he there-
fore.felt himself justified in congratulating their lordships on
the success of their endeavours to preserve the rightsaaf those
individuals, and to maintain privileges which could not be torn
from the possessors without an act of great injustice. (Hear,
hear.) The next point contemplated by their lordships was to
secure the existence of those rights which had been established
deliberately and after careful discussion during the progress of
the reform bill—the right of voting in the election of members
of parliament. In the other house of parliament, when this bill
was originally introduced, no provision was made by it for the
protection of the political rights of freemen. In the committee
on the bill every effort was made to preserve those rights, but
unstfccessfully ; the bill was recommitted, and a second unsuc-
cessful attempt was made to the same effect, and it was not till
a very advanced state of the measure, he believed on the third
reading, that those rights were, to a certain extent, allowed.
Wheu. the bill came into this house, we considered that as it was
a bill which professed to be for the improvement and regulation
of municipal corporations, it would not be right, on a collateral
point, to unsettle rights established by the reform bill, which
was considered a final measure as regarded the representation
of. the country, and accordingly we proposed amendments to
secure the continuance of those privilegeS. Here, again, we
were thet by much opposition, as in the case of the former pro-
position;. but of that he did not complain - far from it; he rather
rejoiced that the subject was fully and deliberately discussed by
their lordships. However, he must say that in discussing the
amendments proposed on this subject, both here and in another
place, imputations had been thrown upon the conduct of the
freeinen which certainly were not justified by anything that had
occurred since the passim,' of the reform bill. Every imputation
now adduced would have been equally well-founded at the time
of the reform bill, yet noble lords opposite admitted the rights
of the :freemen, and the propriety of continuing them by that.
measure, and such being the case, it appettred to him inconsist-
ent in noble lords who then allowed the righte of the freemen,
now to rest their opposition to such claims on objections which '
were ,eisually valid. at The time of passingsthe radios bal. He,
was happy' to say that their exertions with respect to the political
rights of freemen had been crowned with success. (Hear;.hear.)
They had sent the bill back to the Commons amended on this
• point, and the _House of CoMmons adopted the amendment;
and no doubt they adopted it with the view, be hoped, to the jui-
!.tice of the case, and certaiuly in a spirit of conciliation, and
with a desire to effect a final 7 arrangement of the matter with
.this house and the country. (Hear, hear.) Those were two
points to which, in the first instance, he directed the attention
of the house: • The third question of great importance appeared
to him to be the establishment of a proper qualification. As
the constituency was so extensive, lie thought it absolutely
necessary to have a qualification. He confessed he was a pea
deal surprised when he stated the proposition to find it met
with such violent and eager opposition by noble lords opposite.
His sole object in introducing a qualification was to secure that
the counsels should he chosen out of a (dais of persons who would
properly discharge their duty to the boroughs with which they
were connected, and to the country at large; and he hastintro-
dueed a particular form of.
qualifieati , because he thought it
would prove more fieftible, more con niently adapted to towns
of different populations, and-less eetei y evaded than most others
that could be selected.. He. did
_soot complain, however, that
i
this qualification had not been adopted ; on the contrary, he as-
sented cheerfully and readily to the alteration of the Ciimmons.
The next point to which he called the attention of their lord-
ships was one which he considered of material importance—the
licensing of public houses; he considered, and their lordships
agreed with him, that to leave this power in the hands of the
town-councils, as originally proposed by the bill, would lead to
jobs, and he proposed to expunge the clause—a proposition
which was opposed on the other side of the house, but net with-
much warmth. The bill amended in this important respect—
the.clause having been struck out—went down to the commons,
and the lords' alteration passed without a single observation or
comment. (Hear.) With respect to the . last point, to which
he was about to advert while treating the present branch of the
subject, he felt it to be at this momenta subject of great delicacy
and difficulty—he meant the subject of the disposal of church
patronage by dissenters. It had occupied his attention more
than many. things during the progress of the bill, and noble
lords around him-co-operated with, him cordially on the subject..
After maturely considering the matter, he found at last that he'
could refer no better protection in the case than theclause which
had excited such warm debates and given rise to such strong
feelings on the other side; but he could assure noble lords that
he had adopted that clause after the most candid and careful at•
tention. Ile well knew that members in the dissenting interest
in the house of commons had declared that-they had no wish to
have any thing to do with the disposal of church patronage; and
therefore that such a clause must be in accordance with their
feelings. (Hear.) He was aware of the odium to which he ex
..posed himself by the course he had taken—he might be charged
with bigotry and prejudice ; still he felt it his duty to persevere.
He had no wish to interfere with dissenters—no desire to meddle
with their,property er religion, and he wished them not to in-
terfere in matters that solely concerned the established church.
(Hear, hear.) In that spirit he introduced his clause, and when.
the question was pat to him by his noble friend opposite (Lord.
Holland), how he would define a member of the established 1
chusch or distinguish between dissenters and churchmen, he was
fully aware of the difficulty of the case, hut at the same time he
knew that what 'he proposed would be cOnsidered by the dissen-
ters
an honourable engagenent, binding upon them, and on that
ground he thought it sufficient. The very amendment that had
been introduced in the commons in reference to this point he
-had ,himself Prepared, but 'he knew the odium to which he should
subject himself by ciyoliosiug it; and the attacks which woul4 bo
dirented 'against him. He well kneW tharif he proposed to give'
the 'nomination to the bishop of the.diocese, in, the case of cor-
porate church property, he should be charged with a design of
plundering the corporationi for the purpose of investing the
prelatett of the establishmeht with their spells. He knew that
he should be thus charged without, if not within those walls."Ele
knew he should be told that dissenters might now by the law of
'the laud bold advowsons, that corporations composed of dis-
senters might since the repeal of the test and corporation acts
hold advowsons, and that he should be asked, " what right have
you, under such circumstances, to interfere with the rights of
property, or render it compulsory on parties to dispose of their
possessions ?" (Hear.) He knew he should be thus assailed
if he attempted to bring forward such a clause, and .he thought
it better, in order to guard against the possibility of .unjust im-
putations, to put into the bill a mere vague clause like that be
had Proposed, .trusting for security to the honour of the dis-
ge"tem (Hear.) He now came to the alteration made by the
commons on the amendment introduced into' this bill by, their
:lordships—be meant that amendment which created aldermen
for life, and continued in their offices those authorities who, un-
der the existing law, were appointed for life. He considered—
and there were many of their lordships who, lie knew, considers
ed—that this was the most important amendment introduced by
their lordships into the bill. In proposing that amendment, he
considered that the composition of a council, filled up as these
new councils
cri were
transaction would
other qualification save the very wide one of being rate-payers
turbulent
despto be filled up, by a constituency with no
for tenements of the lowest description, would in all probability
be acting under the influence of-agitators, or of persons of that
thought tghraetatsuncnhceartcaoinntsvtitiun theency
there-
fore proposed this amendment as a necessary counterbalance to
businessgtiroenai ba He
i thetea l
tn town-council, , and he had n-council
the evils which he apprehended from the new system. ln order
to have a certain portion of the town-council independent of the
public voice, but not independent of public controul, he had pro-
sposed that a fourth part of the council should hold their office
for life. In making that p.roposition- he thought that he had
acted wisely. He was not inclined to make any alteration in it
at present (hear, hear), especially as he saw that his proposition
was supported by the precedent established in that bill, intro-
duced by his noble and learned friend, to which he had already
referred. (Hear, hear.) He was gratified to find that the
House of Commons had in principle adopted the opinion which
be had formed, by agreeing to have among the counsellors a
distinct class, holding their offices, not indeed for life, but for
such a period as was deemed sufficient to insure their indepen-
-silence frm the public feeling of the Moent: (Hear,
The House ot Commons had adoptedm the principle ofa his
proposition, but, as it appeared to him, the Machinery by
which they intended to carry that principle into practice did
not go far enough. There was another part of this amend-
ment on which he felt strongly, and he most also add deeply,
and that was the continuance of the present aldermen, or the
present holders of municipal authority, for life. He regretted
to find that the House of Commons had objected to that part
of their amendment. lie looked at this bill, and he then
asked himself what was the professed object of those who
had brought it in? It was not to annul corporations—it was
note to rescind the charters of corporations, but it was, as'
he understood it, to. amend the existing state of corporations.
They, the House of Lords, had adopted the clause in the bill as
brought from the House of Commons, providing against future
mal-appropriation of corporate funds, and far extending the
powers of corporations for local purposes. They had adopted
all the provisions in the bill • as brought from the commons for
the-better administration 'of jostiCe;Aand they afforded. an -atie-
.<,
quate remedy to 'the only source of complaint still left unre-
dressed, by creating the large constituency for the election of
the town-council contained in this bill. (Hear.) Why, then,
remove from office individuals who held their authority, under
charter from the crown, against whom no well-fouhded 'Com,
plaint had hitherto been made, and who had hitherto performed
their duty respectably, 'ably, impartially, and to the satisfaction
of those persons among whom they lived, and with whom they
were connected? (Great cheering.) He thought that their
lordships had acted wisely in determining to continue to them
the authority with which they were at present invested. That
was the opinion which he had endeavoured with all his humble
abilities to enforce upon the uousideration of their lordships
during the discussions which they had had upon the bill. That
was the opinion which he houestly and sincerely entertained
now, and if circumstances should arise which should compel
'him—feeling strongly upon this subject, and being convinced
that justice required that this amendment slionld•be adhered to
—to differ from several of his noble friends fOr whorta he felt the
deepest respect; lie must, Whatever might be the result of the
difference, act in conformity with his oan opinion, and his own
niatured and deliberate judgment. (Cheers.) HO had no
doubt that they would act conscientiously, calm) and and pru-
dently. He was 'called upon to act for himself, and he should
act upon his o.vii judgment, and upon the opinions which he
had honestly and sincerely advocated, for he felt that justice re-
quired that he should defend the amendment which the com-
mons had rejected. (Heart) He considered that that amend-
ment involved ley far the most important question that had been
agitated during these discussions. He considered that if this
amendment hall been carried, no danger could have accrued
from the other enactments of the bill. At present he could not
conceal from their lordships the apprehensions which he enter-
tained of danger from carrying it into effect. The noble lord,
after some observations delivered in too low a torte to be heard
in the gallerv, proceeded to observe that there were some other
points contained in the amendment now brought from the com-
mons which he considered most material and important. He•
for one must say that he could not agree to fetter the prerogative!
of his sovereign in the choice of magistrates. (Great cheering
from the opposition benches.) He had heard no argument in
the house, he had read no reasoning in the speeches made in the
other house; Calculated to conviace him of the necessity of this
amendeut. (Hear.) He admitted that it was necessary for the,
crown io take the advice of its responsible solvents respecting
the choice of magistrates. For instance, in appointing the ma-
gistrates for counties, the crown consulted the lord-lieutenants
of those counties. In appointing the magistrates for boroughs,
.it consulted the mayor or other local authorities of the borough,
but he could not (111 that account agree to fetter by law the ap-
pointment of the crown, so as to deprive it of the power or ap-
poniting any magistrates save those selected by the council.
That was a point which he considered it absolutely imnossible
for their lordships to accedato. It %rasa point to which; speak-
ing for himSellindiViduallY, nothing on earth should induce 'him

consent. (Loud cheers.) He felt that he owed it'as a mat-
r of personal duty to the sovereign, who had conferred so many
yours, upon him, who had loaded him, he might say, with obli-
.ations,'to defend his prerogative against all assailants. (Hear.)
t was material to do.so at all times, and at this time, in his °pi-
lion, more so than any other. (Great cheering.) There was
ilso a question respecting the division of the towns into wards,
Int he would not enter into it at present, as it must be matter of
:arther consideration when the details of those amendments came
ander the notice of their lordships. •He thought that the ar-
rangement which their lordships had made was a much better
arrangemeut than that which had been proposed on the other
side. Them was a
,third, and only a third, point to which he
wished to call the attention of'the house. [Here the noble lord
made( a pause, and said to one of his noble friends near him—
" I've forgot what it is. What is it ?" Ills noble friend said,
"The town-clerks." This occasioned a titter on the ministerial
benches. 1 Oh ! ay, the town-clerks. He did not know what
had provoked the laughter on the opposite benches, but if it
was at his expense, the noble lords were at full ]:betty to laugh
on. We mean So modify our proposition on this point. Some
of the town-clerks hold their offices during pleasure, and others
hold them during life. These last had a freehold in their offices.
They bad shown themselves able and competent to the dis-
charge of their respective duties. Why, then, should they be
divested of their situations? Why should they be turned out of
their different offices? Why should their lordships assume that
they would not discharge their duties to the new corporations as
faithfully as they had discharged them to the old? He was sure
that their lordships would not sanction such injustice.' He hoped
that, upon this point, at least, the commons would meet them in
the spirit of conciliation. Their lordships Were teady,to give up
to the commons those town-clerks who held their places during
pleasure, and iu return they felt that they had a right ,to demand
of the commons that they would not violate the rights of pro-
perty, that they would not infringe upon the freeholds of indi-
viduals., (Cheers from the oppositiou.) He did hope that,
acting in the spirit of:conciliation, the commons would concede
on this point to their lordships. The noble lord, after some fur-
ther observations, not distinctly heard in the gallery, proceeded
as follows:—" Allow rue now, my lords, to say a word as to my-
self. Your lordships must be aware how much t have been
assailed during these discussions both in and out of parliament,
and how matey attacks have been made upon me personally, on
account of the course which I have felt it to be my duty to pur-
sue with regard to this bill. (Hear, hear ) Allow me also to
say, that I should not be: ashamed to have been a volunteer in
my attacks upon this bill; but the fact is, that I have been no
volunteer. (" Hear," from the ministerial benches.) Many
noble lords with whom I have been in .the, habit of acting fur
bears, and who thought that from my professional habits I was
calculated to lead-their effortsfao a successful resiistaticeattgainet
the objectionable clauses in this bill, requested ma to updertake
the management of their opposition against it; Lyielded-to their
solicitations, and having done so, 'I have endeavoured to dis-
charge my duty to them and to my country firmly, strenuously,
and to the best of my ability. (Great cheering from•the oppo-
sition benches ), . I have been charged with having Some party.
views to accomplish, some indirect ambition to gratify by this
opposition. (Hear. hear.) I deny it once and forever; all my
ambition has long since been satisfied. (Cheers.) I have twice,
to borrow a phrase from these municipal corporations, passed
chat chair (pointing to the woolsaek)—l have twice, to borrow
a phrase from a successful revolutionary usurper, had that splen-
did bauble (pointing to the mace behind the speaker) before me.
Whatever ambitious views I may have had in early life have all
been fulfilled. My ambition has been gratified. "have no fur-
ther wishes to gratify," (Great Cheering.).
Lord Beouusiam replied to the observations of Lord Lynd-
hurst at great length. In alluding to the concluding passages
in Lord Lyndhurst's speech, he said that although he differed
with his noble friend upon this and other matters which dis-
tracted public attention, no difference of opinion, no opposition
of principle,- would ever make him conceal, suppress, or in any
degree, to pleaie any party or quarter whatsoever, mitigate the
expression of the feeling which he had of the admiration of ta-
lents, when he saw them exerted according to the principles of
him who was endowed with them (great cheering). There was
one thing made matter of accusation against .his noble and
learned friend, which, least of ell, would have induced him
(Lord Brougham) to suppress the expression of his highest ad-
miration of the ability which his noble and learned friend had
displayed throughout these important proceedings—he meant
the attack which had been unjustly made against him, as if he
entertained certain ambitious views—views which did not in-
spire, and which, God knew, need little to inspire a man who
had, by merit, and by merit alone, risen to the height his noble
and learned friend now enjoyed (great cheering). This attack
so far from sealing his (Lord Brougham's) lips upon an occa-
sion like the present, would have been the greatest stimulant he
could have felt to declare his opinion of the great talent and
ability of his noble and learned friend. He, too,• had been at-
tacked; but to him to be attacked when discharging his duty,
and to be attacked oftentimes by those whom he was helping by
so discharging his duty, was so natural and so familiar, that ft
was like the air he breathed—sometimes inure wholes° me than
at others, soinetimes•naore 'oppressive, oftentimes tainted with
miasma, oftentimes bearints with irinfectiou, And the many
other ills to which the constitution of the atmosphere is subject,
and which he who would breath that atmosphere must lay his
account occasionally to inhale (cheers.) His noble and learn-
ed friend had said that he had reached the pinnacle of his pro-
fessional ambition, and what had he more to desire? He (Lord
Brougham) said the same in answer to a similar attack made
against him (loud cheers). He did not mean the ridiculous
and farcical explanation which had been attempted to be given
to his'motives for so strenuously supporting his majesty's go-
verninent—a thing so unintelligible in other respects—namely
that it was an arrangement which had been made between his
noble friend (Lord Melbourne) and himself, that' he should
support the government, and that a noble -kinsman of 'his should
be governor of Bengal (cheers and laughter). His noble
friend (Lord Melbourne) had been more astonished at this ex-
planation than any other person, except his noble kinsman,
who knew well that he (Lord Brougham) was very anxious
that he 'should not go to India, and was exceedingly anxious
that another person should. So much for that. But the charge
which had been made against him was, that he was tired of the
great seal, and Was anxious to become prime minister, that be-
ing considered by him the only thing worth fighting for. - To
which he would make answer—if it be the only thing worth
notiog for in politiCl, than Alt battles•were over, hia fight was-
'fought, and he now turned his political sword and spear into the.
plough and the proofing hook. He had no mind to fight
in any way, either in or out of parliament, for that office—that
unenviable office which was so ably, and so adiuirably, but he
believed not'so very 'cheerfully, filled by his noble friend (Lord
Melbourne). • Both .he and his noble friend hadinted to know
that in the olitical career which now was, as well as in the ca-
lves which both of there had passed through. they:bad endured'
pain and suffering of every kiud, and every kind ofanuoyauce;
that they were annoyed with pain and suffering which no more
ceased when they quitted the restless waves of public station,
and retired into private life, than the motion of (he vessel
ceased to harass the brain after you had quittedit. and landed
on the 'shore ; that these annoyances sprung up daily and hourly
about the path not only of him who trod the slippery eminence
of public station, but of him who quitted office and retired into
private life. But the man who had holden office learned one
thing, for he then discovered what before he never knew. that
there were natures who would forgive an injury,far mere easily
and far' more amply, than other natures would forgiie a
ness conferred. rum both the one and the other of those na-
tures he was now happily in his own mind free. He bad dis-
charged his duty to his country, he had discharged his duty to ,
his own conscience, and he claimed with confidenee the proba-
tion of others (cheers). But whether or not he ghould have
that which men prized above all other possession (except what
he was going to mention) he knew not, and was comparatively
careless; but that which he did know was, that he had the ap-
probation of his own heart. [The noble and learned lord sat
down amidst loud cheering from both sides of the housel.
The Duke of WELLINGTON, after some general observations
on the principles of the bill, concluded by saying he could not
help taking up the time of their lordships for a moment longer,
in order to take notice of the attacks made upon his noble and
learned friend for the course be had pursued. Ile would not
weaken what had been said by the noble and learned lord
(Brougham) upon the conduct of- his noble and learned friend
by any panegyric on his talents, his abilities, and his firmness,
in carrying on the business of these amendments. (Cheers.)
• But that which be would say was this, that be .(the Duke of
Wellington) was the person who solicited his noble and learned
friend to undertake the management of the amendments that
were proposed to be made to the bill. He made that request of
his noble and learned friend from knowing his talents, his ca-
pacity for business, his great legal acquirements, his eloquence,
and the influence which he possessed in their lordships' house.
But if there was anything erroneous in those atnendments, ho
was responsible for them in character equally with his noble and
learned friend, for he would repeat that he was. the person who
solicited his noble and learned friend to come-forward on this
occasion (cheers).
The amendmeuts made in the several clauses by the Commons,
from clause 1 to the 39, were agreed to.
The consideration of the Commons' amendments to clause 40
was postponed at the instance of Lord Esseneoeovun, who
thought that some difficulty would arise in the 'division of bo-
roughs into wards, unless some alterationi were made in the
clause as it now stood.'

The amenttnents made in the succeeding clauses down to the'
58th were agreed to.
On. the-question, that the areendments on the ,59th.clansc, re-
lating to town-clerks, be agreed to, • • •
The Earl of DEVON said-that these town clerks who held their
office for life should be • contimied ; but h 'Might be perfectly
right that those who held office only during 'pleasure Should be
It was true that a compensation clause was con-
tained in the bill; but in order to effect the -object lie had in
view, he should move as an amendakerA Oat the
.election of
town-clerks should not take place on the 9th-of November, adding
a proviso to the succeeding clause, preierving the rights of those
who held office for life.- • .• • •

After a conversation, in which several noble lords took part,
strangers were ordered to withdraw for a division ; hut' although
the house remained closed for some time natlivision took place,
the clause (we understand) having been poslponed for further
considerat inn.
Clause 66 was postponed. Clauses 93 and 96 were agreed to.
On clause 99, which gives the crown the pOwer of nominating
justices out of those individuals recommended by the town-
council,

Lord AnrNGEss objected particularly to 'this clause. They
had no right to limit the choice of the King—to oblige the King
to adopt one of those indivicludis recommended by the town-
conned. He for one never would consent to such a limitation
of the power of the crown. The noble and learned lord, as we
understOod, pointedout the distinesion between the nomination
proposed by the town-councils and that of lord,lieutenants. The
members of the first were appointed by the crown.
At the close of a short discussion on this chiuse the house di-
vided— it
Contents . , 141
Non-contents 82
Majority against the amendment of ---
the Commons 62
Several other amended clauses were then agreed to.
On the question in schedule A respecting wards,
Lord Er,LEssnotntouci is us iced that two wards should be re-
instated in the town of Barnstaple, as already decided by their
lordships. The object of his motion was that every town in-
cluded in the bill Containing 6,COU inhabitants should be divided
into wards.

. , Viscount MELBOURNE opposed the motion on the ground that
it was extremely objectiouable in itself, but still snore so as the
House of Commons had so strenuously opposed the principle
of it. , .

The house then divided . • for the amendment of Lord Ellen-
borough-7_

Contents . . - 79
Non-contents . . . 33
Majority . —46
Lord \VHARrCLJFFE moved that the town of Alnwick he
struck out of the schedule.
This motion, and another.by the Earl of Pevon—that Yeovil
be struck out of the schedule, was agreed to.
The Earl of DEVON moved that the houS'e disagree with that
portion of the amendments of the House of Commons which di-
rected that all the present town-clerki.shontir vacate their situ-
ations in the month of November.

Lord 111xLsounsE observed that he had already stated what
he believed Would be the consequence Of adopting the amend-
ment of the
,noble earl. He. had exerted ',:himself as much as
'was in his power to promote in amicable ,arrangement in the
various. po►nts of diCeretice lit this meatitri; but he feared tha

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it might be fatal to the bill if this amendment was carried. It
should also be recollected, if the town-clerks were removed id
any case they would receive full compensation.
The Marquess of SALISBUitY doubted whether by the clause,
as it stood in the bill, compensation would be afforded to the
town-clerks who were deprived of their offices. The noble
viscount was of opinion that this was sufficiently secured, but
other noble lords, fully as competent to form a correct opinion
as the noble viscount, entertained a different feeling on the sub-
ject. The noble viscount ought to agree to the proposition, so
that the town-clerks might be continued; and, if it were deem-
ed expedient to get rid of them, it would be easy to bring in a
bill to remove them, and at the same time secure them compen-
sation.

. This motion was eventually lost without a division.
The several bills on the table were then forwarded each a
stage, and the 'house adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAY.
Mr. MAULE moved for a new writ for the borough of Dungar-
von in the room of Mr. Sergeant O'Loghlin.
Soxne petitions having been presented, Mr. SenitNG Ric&
moved the third reading of the tithes instalment (lreritud) bill,
and the bill was accordingly read a third time and passed.
Some bills having been forwarded a stage,
Mr. Hums moved twelve- resolutions condemnatory of the.
terms on which the loan for twenty millions had been contrict-
ed for.

Mr. SPRING RICE replied at length.
The resolutions were negatived without a division.

CAW REVORM.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL obtained leave to bring in three
bills connected with this subject, which were ordered to be-
printed,
The other business was then- disposed of, and the house ad-
journed at ten o'clock.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—SATURDAY.
Their lordships met at half-past four o'clock, and proceeded
to forward some bills before the house a stage.

THE COITPOkATIONS BILL.
The Mike of WELLINGTON brought up the report of the
committee appointed to draw up reasons to show the grounds
on which their lordships differed from the commons' amend-
ments of the amendments of the lords, and to arrange fur a
conference.

Lord ELLENBOROUGH read the report of the committee, and
the reasons which they assigned for their lordships not agreeing
to the amendments made by the commons in the lords' amend-
ments with respect to the right of the crown to appoint the
justices without the intervention of • the town council, and the
division of the boroughs into wards. The report concluded by
stating, " that the lords have, in a spirit similar to that which
had actuated the commons, and in compliance with their wishes,
abstained from insisting upon many amendments which they
thought salutary to the working of the ineasure ender consi-
deration; and the lords entertain an earnest hope that the bill
. may produce contentment, and the establishment on the firmest
basis of good and quiet government in the towns." The noble
lord concluded by moving that the report and the reasons be'
printed.
Viscount MilLnovaNE then rose and said—My lords, having
disagreed with the amendments made by your lordships in this
bill as it was originally sent up to your lordships' house, I feel
it my duty to state to your lordships, not only that I disagree in
the amendments which you have made in the commons' amend-
ments, but that I cannot concur in the reasons by which the
committee propose to support those amendments. I can only
repeat to your lordships that I still clearly entertain the opinion
that I held in Opposition to those amendments, and that I can-
not help repeating that, if your lordships persist in this conduct,
it may be attended with consequences which you may all deeply
deplore. •
The motion for printing the report and reasons was then
agreed to, and the conference was appointed to take place at a
quarter to four on Monday.
The hills on the table having. been forwarded a stage, tbe
house adjourned. at half-past five o'clock. •