The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1833-03-15 00:00:00

SALARIES OF THE IRISH BISHOPS.

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STAND.IRD.

c,—ln the Liverpool Albion of yesterday there is a para-
graph headed " Clerical Wealth," copied, as is said, from the
Morning Chronicle. It is asserted therein, that " each sinecure
bishop of the Protestant Church of Ireland receives as much as
ten qpani4r bishops; while it is an understood matter that the
incomes of the latter must be expended chiefly in works of
charity."

I will not trouble you or your readers with any remarks of
mine on the spirit and motives that lead a certain portion of the
public press to hazard, and, in spite of repeated refutation, re
iterate such assertions. Nor will I animadvert upon the direct
falsehood conveyed by the epithet sinecure, as applied to the
Protestant bishops of Ireland. - I will only request you to insert
the following extract from a pamphlet respecting the Irish
Church Establishment, recently published in Dublin, entitled,
Cui bono ? a Letter to the Rt. non. E. G. Stanley, &c. &c.v
The writer hesitates not to prefix his name, and appeals to Mr.
Stanley himself for the truth of what he asserts, as coning
within his own knowledge :
What, let me ask, were (till a very recent period) the re-
venues, and possessions, and princely state of the archbiihops
of Mayence, of Cologne, or of Rheitifs ? What—(to leave out
of our account the chiefest and wealthiest, the Pope, with his
seventy cardinals, his congregations, his numerous bishops, and
attendant clergy of all ranks, both secular and regular)—what
was the income of the primate'eSpaiti, the archbishop of To-
ledo? which, upwards of eighty years ago, was estimated at
fifty thousand pounds sterling; and bas been valued, at sUbse.:
quent periods, at sixty, seventy-five, a hundred, and a hundred
and twenty-five thousand pounds.
" The Irish church is often flippantly, and often maliciously,
described as the richest church in Europe;' on which suppo-
sition, the least which we could expect would be to find in her
a prelate possessing an equal, or even a greater income than
the above. • What, then, shall be thought of such an accusation,
when it is here distinctly avowed (dud you, sir, know that I do
not -siieak unadvisedly) that this sum, received by a single in-
dividual of the Romish church, would probably be accepted,
for their joint net incomes, by the whole bench of Irish bishops!
Two and twenty Protestant bishops, accused of enormous
Wealth,' and maligned for a supposed abuse of it, would be con-
tent with that amount of revenue divided amongst them, which
the church of Rome had permitted to be -swallowed up by a
single one !"—Yours, &c.
March 12, 1533. A CONSTANT SUBSCRIBER.

THE SELECT VESTRY MEETING.

TO THE _EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL ST.AINDARD.

Sta,--Permit me to occupy a small space. in your valuable
columns, whilst I make a few remarks upon what took place at
a meeting of the parishioners, this day, at the Sessions' House.
And, first, I must observe that I am not going to follow Dr.
Collins through his turgid. oration, in which he spoke of "per-
verted abuses," the dishonest and base conduct of those who
go to vote in opposition to him and his clique, &c. &c. ; neither
am I about to remark upon the pathos with which Mr. Thomas
Smith descanted uppi4 the desire which the aristocracy of the
town have to grind the poor; but I will confine myself to a
brief reply to the arguments,' so to call them, which were made
use of in favour of the introduction of Sir J. C. Hobhouse's
Vestry Bill into this parish.
Great stress was laid upon the fact of some parishioners hav-
ing more votes than others. Now, sir, I will ask, why is it that
some have six votes, whilst others have only.one ? Is it not
because they pay higher rates? and are we to suppose that
therefore they are more indifferent to economical expenditure
than those who pay much less than themselves ?
Secondly; Are we to believe, as we were told to-day, that the
merchants, &e. are always ignorant of the subject upon which

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they go to vote ? or, rather, may we not suppose that they are
as likely to be well informed upon it as Dr. Collins and his
confederates ? Does it follow, that because one of the overseers
has not paid a weekly visit to the Workhouse, that the system of
Mr. Sturges Bourne's Act is bad ? or is it so because one of the
select vestry, who warmly supported that system to-day, had re-
tired, partly, as he informed us, because he found his occupa-
tion interfered with his business, and partly because he hall
taken some offence at his brethren in office ?

Having thus briefly noticed the arguments that were brought
forward against Mr. Sturges Bourne's Act, allow me to avk
whether it is not the fact that previous to its introduction, aid
under the one vote system, the rates were 7s. in the pound, and
that now they are 2s. ?
Before I conclude, I wish to address a word to Mr. Thomas
Smith.—You said a great deal to-day, sir, about the " aristc-
cracy wishing to grind the poor." Now, I will ask you, have
you and your friends the exclusive merit of showing a regard
for the poor and distressed, and are we to trace the origin and
support of the Infirmary, Dispensary, and the many other cha-
ritable institutions in this town, to Mr. Thomas Smith and his
coadjutors ?—Yours, &c,
Maroh 13, 1833.

A PARISHIONER

THE PRESENT MINISTRY.

" Fiat justitta-Ruat ccelum."

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL ST4NDARD.

Sia,—That the measures of the present government, imbe-
cile as they have been, should hitherto have been hailed with
applause by every patriot who would trample upon the altar
and the throne, need be matter of no surprise ; nor need we
wonder that the same faction should now range itself under the
banners of opposition to a ministry, so shamefully ignorant of
every principle of sound legislation, that they scruple not to
show the men they pretend to want to "coerce," with what un-
warrantable timidity they dread the hostility of lawless agita-
tors and unprincipled demagogues.
Can. any man read the declarations of O'Connell in the
house, or peruse his furiously unconstitutional harangues out
of doors, and not have the following questions irresistibly sug-
gested to his mind :—" Is there any longer an executive in this
country ?—Do Englishmen any longer pride themselves in
constitutional sobriety ?—Have the pestiferous notions of de-
mocrats obtained such sway that British laws can be bid' de-
fiance to with impunity, and treasonable sedition uttered fear-
lessly and openly in the very heart of the metropolis, and in
the very teeth of the government ?—Does there exist uo law
which stamps as execrable the calling into action barricades,'
and every other species of violence, in order to influence the
decision of one branch of the legislature ?"

These, or such questions as these, must necessarily suggest
themselves to every one who views with a calm and impartial
scrutiny the tide of passing events.

But, in connection with this subject, may it not fairly be said,
that although every other political virtue be the characteristics
of the O'Connell and Cobbett party, still that political con-
sistency belongs not to these precious samples of the liberal or
movement faction.

It will be fresh in the memory of all your readers, that the
Conservative or Tory members in the last Parliament wore
stigmatised by every calumniating and abusive epithet that
malice could devise, or party spirit give utterance to. And by
whom were these conscientious opposers of innovation, these
uncomproihising foes to change, as change, thus assailed ?
Credal Juda:us I by the partisans of that hero of agitation who
lately declared his determination to press the house to a divi.-
sion upon every clause of the Irish Disturbances' Bill.

Alas ! for the deluded country which thunders its plaudits of
approval in the ear of this contemner of law and discipline 1
Alas! for the government which tolerates it; which succumbs to
the views of a political faction, and, while petitioning the legis-
lature for fresh and violent legislative enactments, throws out a
sop for the Irish members in the shape of a church spoliation
bill !

When will ministers learn that not until the Irish find that
they are the weaker party.can England deliberate, with advan-
tage to the, Commonwealth, upon the claims of Ireland ? For
it must never be forgotten, that all the claims of Ireland are
but. so many stalking-horse's, so many false attacks; and that
the, real object of Catholic Ireland is the supremacy of the
Church of Rome, and the independence of that country ?
" Ireland a nation, and not a province," is the " Goshen" of
the Irish Catholics; and in their march .towards it they can
only be checked 'by the same means which have been used in
all ages to frustrate revolt—the ultinaa ratio Regain—the demon-
stration of superior power.

Fearing that I have too long trespassed upon your valuable
space, I will merely add the following maxim :—lt is a base
policy to surrender to less than an overpowering -force, or to
grant anything to an enemy that can be withheld.
With a sincere wish for Ireland's weal, I am, &c.
March 4th, 1833. JUSTITIA. •

, .
SUSPECTED MoanEa.—For some time past the neighbour-
hood of John-street, Tottenham-court-roacl, has been consi-
derably excited, in consequence of themysterious absence of a.
fine little boy, named Robert Pavior, aged 13, the son of a re-
spectable and industrious tradesman, residing at No. 23, John-
street, pear the • Queen's Theatre, whose body was discovered
iu the Regent's-canal, Regent's-park, dreadfully bruised anti
mutilated, -having .been treated with the most unnatural and
unparalleled cruelty, and afterwards thrown into the water.
Two persons are in custody on suspicion, and have undergone
an examination in private before the magistrates. An inquest
will be held on the body, when the particulars of the mysterious
affair will be made public.
MR. BARING WA I.L.—The Middlesex Grand Jury for the
Clerkeuwell (intermediate) sessions; yesterday foudd a
,true
bill auainst Mr. Charles Baring Wall, M. P.; on a charge of a
peculiar nature. The case coming under the character of a
misdemeanor, and numerous cases of a felonious descriptioA.--•„ .
remaining yet .to .be disposed of, the offenders under whidir '-i t., i-•
latter class of crime being in custody, and Mr. Wall beini 6 '
on bail, it is not yet decided that he will be tried dunks •
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of the charge under which they were committed. Mr. -.1 •V•1-ii% Os •, •
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said to have a numerous body of witnesses on his side • 1/ C
great public curiosity is at stretch respecting the result of th
trial, in connection with which numerous parties have been in-
daily attendance, in and about the Court since the commence-
ment of this sessions.