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alaraities to the account of the church establishment.
or totally
and entirely abrogating, annulling, render-
late and of no effect, the Protestant heirarchy in Ire-
fob ,
h; °.A 3r, ne trusted, could Misunderstand him. He did
his because he should gain anything by its abolition, or
ttinuance. He was no parson to receive tithes, amino.
L 4 refuse, for conscience' sake to pay them; but he
D:t the putting down of that heirarchy was necessary to
'lTl,ess peace, safety, and renown of Ireland. It could
red no longer with security to the kingdom or the
etone. Therefore as a loyal subject of the King, and a
Presentative of the people, he declared his opinion
' Look at the history of the church, and in it they
e,a,d all the great calamities of the country. That church
the national debt; it was also the cause of the detesta-
ieable, and accursed septennial bill. To uphold it the
french war was undertaken. In short, to maintain it,
r
.°‘-ed by deeds and acts of Parliament, one Kin__. was
to the block and another driven from the throne. What
:lined next-to effect, he left to the gentlemen of that
p determine.
I.N implored Ministers to abandon all hopes of satisfy-
lehtl!il people by intimidation. It was easy to lead them,
lit alas could bind them. (Hear, hear, hear.) The in-
11,1F, tone of his Majesty's speech had already added ten'
tear wavering members to the ranks of repeal, and he
th Ministers that their first measure of coercion would
kat number. (Hear, hear.) " I detest civil war," said
e joenaber ; but the line of toleration may be passed,
4inle may come when I shall consider resistance to
sp not only my right but my duty." (Hear, hear.)
i that thought the state of Ireland loudly de-
f toat a strong arm should be interposed for the pur-
11131,'eserving property and maintaining order. If the
lia, '''' p.cdged the house to grant those powers, without
ime time pledging them. to a redress of grievances, he
Fil att, he should have been unable to give it his support;
cl ue looked at the words of the speech, and saw the dis-
Z4ltaration made on the subject of the Irish church, he
lit th deny to the address his most cordial support. He
flbly ~,lt Niinisters were entitled at the commencement of
(ill ' a few days credit' Ile had no doubt that their
'y.4 14easuies, when brought forward, would Prove satis-

Ile
hi BERT PEEL approved of the mode in which the King's
I%,„',(llheen-drawn up. He was glad that the example of
di;ril'ean President had not
.been followed.. The King's
°lad not enter into details, but rather indicate the ge-
-1 to`eetions of the Goveinment, and leave it to the Legis-
% nPronounce whether those intentions were foundeu in
4i,,4 not. He would confine his remarks to a few only of
to ti mentioned in the Speech, because it was of conse-
I a rat as littie time as possible should be used in debate..
inVillieti parliament, the people expected something
„,b_ better than.lengthened and unprintable harangues.
eiveljt said that his situation in the house was changed; he
it.,„ut few supporters, instead of being backed by large
iiif'• If any alteration in his opinions should De dis-
• . e trusted-that such alteration would not be attributed
~e:T en his part to court any party. There were three
i
t.. 0 ol his Majesty's Sp eec h upon which he felt himself
express his opinions : those were reform of the church,
puittity of Ireland, and the maintenance of the Legis-
,, iii°n• T. thiti; eclusivelv, he felt himself bound to
With respect to the first of these subjects—the church
`Majesty's Speech called their particular attention to it,
i,"`ed that its revenues would permit of a more equitable
tietl• He would carefully scrutinize
,the measures of
teem in relation to the proposed reform of the church,
IPt°4ouneing any opinion on the subject. But he would
Olaintain, that the •Churches of Ireland and En gland
~' same; and he trusted that the words " separate con-
-11," in the Speech, did not mean to imply that there
dissolution of the interests of the two churches. He
ith,at bv those words were not meant that the property of
sq Church should be meddled with. He trusted that the
ary for
Ireland was fully aware of the ruin he was about
if he contemplated touching or disturbing, in any way,
%,,Perty of the Irish church. he would now approach the
rlslieting subject of all—the measures required. for repres-
Loider in Ireland. It was not the mass of the Irish peo-
go 'were to be coerced. No, it was only that portion who
iftientioned with execration by one aild all of the Irish
:ets, and who not only attacked and barricaded the man-
i",` the rich, but applied the torch to the cabins of the poor.
dto protect the Irish people that extraordinary powers
emanded, and more particularly to protect the humbler
, since it was they who suffered -most from the tyranny
teed by the wretches who set all law at defiance. Those
aid obedience to the laws of their country were punished
doing ; and the legislature ought at least, in return for
allegiance to afford them the amplest protection. The
was called upon to frame a law by. which. those who were
,fight he protected. When midnight murder and hourly
~',ll;ation awaited the loyal subject, it was time that every
"citt should be granted him. (Hear, hear, 'hear.) He
arie to the most important question, the repeal of the
totisiesyteiounnnioonui He was resolved, in common, as he hoped,
great majoiity 'of the house, tom aintain that union Pin-
That union .was based upon a fundamental law ; and
was; whether the law should be abrogated.
union of England and Ireland was the law and contract
enthe two nations. That contract was made by the peo-
euiselves through their representatives in Parliament. • It
e law under which they now sat in that house as the re-
-I,ltatives of both countries, and to legislate for them. He
lit that the time was now come when Parliament was hn-
iyely called upon to take early steps to have the question
e repeal of the union brought before them, and finally de-
itliert it. Why did not those who had been fOr two
.)rears
lllg the country with the question of the repeal, now bring
jII' a motion on the subject?' (Cheers from Mr. O'Con-
He begged to assure Mr. O'Connell, that nothing was
er from his wish than to get over this point by appealing
ies passions of the members; he wished, step by step, to ex-
theadoration; arP
stobe rollg , -
Mein.
ght that Parliament was the proper place to take into
••it •
and he begged to ask why it was not brought
rcl last session?: Was it on account of the reform clues-
I Was it for fear of agitating-Parliament ? It could not
tthat account . for Mr. O'Connell had agitated the whole
`„rY on the subject; he had appealed to the people by all
',,otives most likely to arouse them—by their love of coun-
p'. their religion—and by the almost-forgotten times when
0. a Parliament in Dutilin. (No, uo ! from Mr. O'Con-
) He had certainly seen a report of a speech which pur-
1, to be Mr. O'Connell's, in which he was made to say,
te.hoped to see the day when the Irish Parliament would
itting
in its ancient seat. Why did not Mr. O'Connell
forward the repeal of• the union in Parliament? He (Sir
[l.
iseeel) certainly would not maintain the union merely be-
st was in existence at present, though that might be an
geenlent to prevent his wishing for a change without good
: The question now was, not whether there. had been
thatmis-
tient in Ireland—there might bel truth in the assertion,
i _ country had grievances to complain of—hut the ques-
t was, whether there was 'a disposition on the part of
British Parliament to do justice to that country ? That was
t°llly question to which they - had to look; and he hoped,
pi considering it, they would not recur to those grievances
i'.t Were now past, and should be forgotten. He hoped that,
4111? time, they would merge all questions connected only
LIL
stneneelnasot,watnhdertehwatasthnetivt Nvsoueryld look forward to the future,
disposition to do justice to
41 ud, without having recourse to such a measure. For his
, Part, he said candidly, that if he were satisfied that a 're-
TI °F the -
're-
fire
_, union would improve the social state of
.the people
iasar'l4, he would'not only not offer any obstructions to that
t go F, but he would give iris assistance to have it carried;
far,... was lie from being satisfied that the condition of Ire-
-41":1)1•11d'be improved, that he felt assured it would tend to
oth it' of both countries. (Hear hear! and loud applause.)
tlainreqiect to the foreign policy of government, there was
Was ! ill the speech to which he could not give a ready assent.
the 'ngular, indeed, that so little had been said in the course
th eor4e,bate Upon that subect. He cordially concurred in the
N. ~'lis Majesty that tranquil!ity should be restored in POr-
sed i, Ile people of Portugal had been so infatuated, he sap-
ea ~‘• would be said, as to prefer Miguel to Pedro, and had
i4eiteithful to him for five years.. According to 'the Whig
Otte., that the choice of the people is to be respected, sure-
Lele 'us time, the choice of the people of Portugal. had been
d c„11...t1Y evinced. And he thought, that seeing that choice
ty 44,,,0ued. for five years steadily in his favour, it was the.
Itol:cr•gland to recognize him as the King of Portugal.
city ~ert maintained that the government had acted as a
e ae„age,,inst, not as a faithful ally of the King of Holland.
he e",,r,leg our right to lay an embargo upon Dutch vessels.
e ar„ "as nothing, however, in the address which pledged him to
W 4rovai
of the forei,ru policy of the ministry.- -When he
Id'' ''„ lesition on the part of ministers to preserve property
ii,..fsta lish order, he would throw away all natty views.
Duld P'Pectations had been formed, which in three months
,e w tirst, and show the general delusion which had prevailed.
friendaso insincere convert to reform—no conformer—he was
Pare to gradual, temperate reform. There were, he was
'Dose nro means of governing this country but through the
tbair:l Coramons; and therefore he,humble as he was, de-
e liiu to stand in defence of law and order—in defence of
ug. ' throne, and the security of the Empire—from mo-