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id proceeded. Enghind paid for the
n property and income front 1801 . .£1
ice of land and assessed taxes fropa 1811
la those taxes were repealed hi Ireland .

of cowardice, and as a proof that they had abandoned)
ject; to accomplish which, they had :been returned t
ment. But, he' would ask the house, 'of what usei,
bringing forward of that question, or rather of the oat
in support of 'it-have been, when the vdiy• mention '
jest, as one of debate, was interdicted by the addre
clii
which he was now protesting? To show, however,
question had not been abandoned from weakness of
he would say a few words on this subject of the repel
Union. The Union itself was but an act of Parlio
the repeal of it would but be an act of the legislature 't
far the question came under the cognizance of this b
the question came before them as one of dismemberol
would be as adverse to it as any hon. member could l°
man could be a more ardent lover of his country, anal
of her welfare than he was; but, he need hardly re;
he did not look upon the repeal as a measure of d•O'
ment. Au hon. member, somewhat too philosophic!
reasoning, had declared the other night, in referenc‘,
subject, that there could not be two legislative bodie"
executive; but he (Mr. O'Connell), appealed to 0,1
declared that, with some exceptions, the Parliament e''
had practically refuted the honourable member's it'
That Parliament had been charged with rottenness; br
ever been more rotten than the English Parliament, e'
the Parliament which had last sat in that housl
hear.) The object of ministers in the address was to
the discussion of the important question of a repe j
Union, and their conduct had been of a piece through
political life. He had been said, the other even
suffered judgment, upon this question, to go by del
what was the fact? He had commenced the agitati
repeal question in 1801, and had advocated it in every I-,
at every meeting since that period. Ile continued unU'
offered emancipation ; but he refused emancipation, ;1
was to be followed by a repeal of the Union. (He
excitement in Ireland had continued until the qil
reform began to be agitated in England. He had alti
sidered the measure of Parliamentary Reform in En
as an end, but as a means; and he was induced.to
endeavours to stop the progress of agitation in trelit
he might wait the event of what might be proposed '
country. Ile did wait, and saw an effectual liefiA
introduced for England, and one of a similar tend!
Scotland ; but, when it came to the turn of Ira
miserable, useless, and jejune bill was brought in, .t
of which, as he saw from the onset, was to be uuf
The question of the repeal of the Union was left ii
ber until the sitting of the reformed Parliament, 1.
expectation, as it would appear, of justice being,i
efforts, done to Ireland. , But the ministers had met the sto,,
of her grievances by the clause in the address, vvhidy
for the means to add to those grievances immeasurabl&l
the house imagine, because he did not bring forward tk,(
question, that there were no arguments to support it? 11
ministers imagine that they could put down the questioni
unconstitutional war they had proclaimed and con:men'
the address ? The hon. and learned member then c
opinions of Mr. Saurin, Lord Chief Justice Bushe, au t 1
Chancellor Plunkett on the Act of Union, which he den
as a measure that was carried by the basest corrupts
could be practised in a state, and the most gross violati
the rights of man and of nations. The hon. member
ceeded to read returns of exports of Irish produce, 0;f
ports into Ireland of English manufactures and foreign A
during the years immediately preceding and following ti'A
Union, showing that they had much decreased since that
He said he only meant to show that lie had no desire to.
from the discussion of the question—he was anxious to bc"
soning, but would yield nothing to brute force. No
farther from his thoughts than a dismemberment of his
—he was too much a lover of that country to entertain
for a moment. Leave Ireland to herself, and in thre•
she would discharge her own share of the debt. Why
to be mortgaged for the debt of England ? But the Union
mischievous to England as to Ireland. How are the poor
England and Scotland increased? By the wretched .
Irish manufacturers. The misery of Ireland was findi
in the vitals of England, and would eventually, if not di
utterly ruin and impoverish her inhabitants. Per
would be said, that poor laws ought to be established in
but he hoped they never would be inflicted on that
(Cheers.) He was decided as to the impolicy of esta 4
poor laws in Ireland, although if he wanted to courti
rarity, he could serve it by advocating their introit'
but although they. would at first work wed, they would
ally destroy the rich, and what was then to become of th,
He was convinced that they would operate as an Agrar
and that they would finally produce ruin. (Cheers.)
no intention of threatening the government, but, if
were used, the voice of the people of Ireland would ret
cry for vengeance, horsible, illegal, but not unsuccessful
there no distress at home? Did not the government hel)
cries of the starving and distressed manufacturers and
ers ? In London alone there were 100,000 Irish. He 11
in the habit of embellishing, (laughter ;) he confined i'
to facts. Let ministers reflect upon what must be the f
of those persons, when the announce of the intention to
coercive measures in Ireland must suggest to them hot
wives, fathers, and 'mothers. He was aware that he lii,
passed at great length upon the attention of the house,'
had felt it his duty to do so, whilst there yet remained on Aver ~
' ThrAe of
more of liberty to Ireland. He would, day by day, (4,,,5,
voice against the unconstutional course which ministei-
pursuing, until the sense of the people of England shoe
pronounced upon it, and for his part, he did not belief
the feeling of the people •of England was opposed to l'
upon this occasion.—alear, hear, hear.)

cottons

Infc a total of separate taxation on Great
italu of . . . . . . £3

stating these facts he was not arguing against hi
he believed that he was not a worse Irishman
rig to do justice to the conduct of the people of
;at) It might be said, however, that Ireland, b;
Many of the articles exported from this count
tiun of our taxes. That brought him to an impol
Ple subject—namely, the increased consumptio
essaries of life in Ireland since the union. The rapi.
the trade of Ireland since the union will appeal
Swing table, which is taken on the averages of
Inerated in trennial periods

imports.

2,762,298
3,(113,021
4,164,985
4,299,493
6,535,068
6,008,273
7,491,890

•
tu the alteration in the commercial laws regulatin,
ourse between the countries it is impossible to con
3antt, but there is no reason to doubt that no de
le 8 taken place. The following table would
tt P-
r!ncrease which had taken place in the importati
tals for manufactures into Ireland since the unio

'crag-
"e Years,

Woollen-yarn.

Cotton-yarn.

Cotton

1777
17993
1800
1811
1820
1826

8,883
5,405
276,302

421
1,69,
1,251
4,68(
`2,87:
4,36 f

1,860
1,880
465,057
64;8,452
632,750

5513,396
972,036
1,219,374
2,510,303

,was particularly anxious that the hon. member fi
Torrens) should attend to these statements,
Lai, stated that Ireland would be ruined if she were to
P e e
er°4 lue
svitee
dr e t
ht oe cast t
er r
ny
ti their o
no
fc
tahpei
ol
nt h. emr
member
( m.
bAe r lfaoti
r. Cobbett), who argued that the inhabitants of E
anle wretched in exact proportion to the quantil
aerial Which they worked up into manufactures. ]
~ever, be said that the improvement which he hal
In the cotton and woollen manufactures had taken
expense of the linen trade, which was the staple
al Ireland. That, however, was not the case.
more common at the present moment than to rE
re was a pa rticular branch of trade was declining, whet
only a diminution of profit.. The table
ald now read would prove there had been no decli
etli? trade in Ireland
i whilst, at the same time, the
improvement n the cotton trade :
Co
Period. Yard

Linen.
Yards exported.

1777
1783
1790
1800
1810
1820
1826

20,140,770
18,652,424
34,191,754
36,112,369
40,751,887
48,265,711
51,947,413

•- •
,hae " stated facts, which could only
.be confuted by I
declarations could shake their validity. Irel
4111e,ing a manufacturing country, and it was found ti
ett Iles of manufacture which required hand labour :
i„ek executed in Ireland than in England. It vra
Itt,`"Bl some manufactures could be begun better in
England, and finished better in the latter cout
jet
' 11°111d be in the former. In this manner the int
al." countries were bound up together, and would
11,11etkhed policy which should tell the people of Belfa
v,„"toplete th'e manufactures which cannot be so well
"t 1 as at Manchester," and to the manufacturers
it'.hster
,to say "You shall commence your manuf
teiZusga, you cannot do so as well as the manufac
There was another mode of illustrating the i
still improving condition of Ireland, since those
Which the learned gentleman had dwelt upon
"fee" rapture ; he meant the consumption of the nece:
thellar, tea, coals, and to which he might add,
'°"° g
win table would place the increase iu the c
articles in an obvious light:—

nau seat it ms uuty to uo so, wnust mere yet remaiueu e: .1, ce,rae, of
more of liberty to Ireland. He would, ayd by day, ra r e Years. Raw Sugar.
Tea. Tobacco.
voice against the unconstutional course which minister' -----
pursuing, until the sense of the people of England sho Cwt. Lb. Lb.
pronounced upon it, and for his part, he did not belieP 1777 212,620 808,748 4,409,761 3
the feeling of the people •of England was opposed to It 1783 140,662 1,703,855 4,261,639 2
upon this occasion.—(Hear, hear, hear.) , 1798 181,406 1,858,791 2,939,5 a
r 9 3
1800 217,122 2,773,070 7,868,282 3
Mr. S. RICE said he hoped that the house would bear, 1811 330,299 3,340,331 8,364,147
him whilst he attempted to answer the hon. gentlemao 5
1820 269,499 3,316,021 4,146,454 C
possessed not, indeed, the eloquence of the hon. member, ;? 18.0 301,903 3,548,293 3,818,636
felt that he was on a perfect equality with him as regard
7
1830 321,199 •3,887,955 4,060,077 I 7
tachment to the land of his birth. (Hear.) In what he 'lwo
address to the house he would deal chiefly with matters 0 ears 1832 342,701 4,153,302 I'B
following the hon. member for Dublin in the statements Year ending Jan. 5,1828.
he had made,—and thanking him sincerely for having+ Year ended Jan
them,—in order to prove before the parliament of the but there was another article which would also exhib
kingdom that the legislative union had been productive 4'ereased consumption to the house, and which was
to Ireland. It was unnecessary for him to undertake to rorthy of notice, as the consumption was by no mea
that the union had not been injurious to England, becatent upon a reduced duty. The article he allude
no part of this country had such a thing been even for i tuskY• (Hear and a laugh.) Hon. members mig
eget he
went suggested. The right hon. gent. at some length de•ii quoted the consumption of whisky lest it shou
the Whigs from the charge of neglecting the interests 1,).,,e had founded his case exclusively on the consumpt
land, and cited many instances to show that they had uni7..._'eessaries of life. (Hear.) The consumption stood
been amongst the most zealous of its advocates and fri.L. Triennial
He would now proceed to consider the financial condirlitieriods Home s rots. Periods. Holm
Ireland before and after the union. The inference whicl•---,., ' p
,______-
hon. and learned member wished to be drawn from his '' GE
Gallons.
ments upon this point was, that Ireland was prosperous ti 178,2 2,076,855
1790 2,5
the union, and had become wretched since that period•e; 1763 1,771,513 is 2d. 1800 4,1
the house see how the matter really stood. This was a qui. 144 1,43,3,502 • 1810 3,6
which must be decided by facts, and therefore he trusteuj
1820 3,E
the• house would attend to the statement which he was ab 1792 3,520,082
1826 6,t
make. In 1791 the income of Ireland was £1,190,000, a 0 i
.753 I 436,410 Is 2d. 1830 9,1
expenditure £1,150,000. During the ten succeeding yea!, llus -,—• .. '
3,9400a0 t 1832 B,i
expenditure went on increasing in the ratio of nearly doubf,_ -`
dears.
income, so that at the termination of this period the IS Ti--.......
was £2,181,000, whilst the latter amounted WI:S,SW At
the time of the union, after providing. for the interestereile ttention,
who were
of the English members, 1
lere was another subject to which he was anxiou
debt and other charges upon the Irish revenue, th tir.-68:11 erabers who were in the habit of asserting t.l
mained only a surplus of £460,000 to defray the expe•e-v.al
the whole civil, military, and political administration of Ire enable Parliament bad done nothing for Ireland. 'l'.
hon about the house to enter into the full force of the fi
That was the case at the starting point. Now, did the non te ;
learned member think that the affairs of the country. coal of union egt, it should be stated beforehand, that by
imerial parliament was bound to cc
carried on with a surplus of £460,000? At the period oannent of those sums which the Irish.parliament '
consolidation of the bxehequers, the charge fur the inter habit of von
the debt in Ireland amounted to £5 906,006, whilst the in and manufa,tu
g for the purposes of charity, literatur
res—that is, £73,277 per annum. T
was 'only £5,700,000, leaving a deficiency of £200,000. Was to be binding for twenty years and no longer.
was not a state of things which should induce any one t( tiou was, had imperial parliament honestly f
,
the im
pose that the condition of Ireland would be bettered b contract' L'et the learned gentleman and the othe
having a separate legislature. And now with respect to of repeal come
Lion. At the period of the union there was in Ireland I would then, at least in that strong point, make out ;
upon carriages, horses, and servants, besides another ti• repeal. (Hear, b
forward and prove that they had m
ear.) But, so tar from the fact be
often referred to in the speeches of Mr. Grattan, as being imperial parliana,
contract—
of the greatest grievances of which the people of that coo £1,465,540 ( 7a
-'; --,277 multiplied by £2O)—it had ac
complained : he meant the hearth-tax. Those taxes wee not less than £6,979,000. (Hear, hear.) The ac
nt had not fulfilled the
the creation of an imperial Parliament, but, on the coot thus :
were repealed by it.—He would now turn his attention t'• Sums voted before the union for encouragement
trade of Ireland. At the time of the union duties were ha manufactures, charity, and schools . . •
upon the exportation of raw commodities a solecism in lei To this the legislature stood pledged for twenty yea
. . • •
tion which was almost unexampled. All bacon, beef,"live q Such grants would have been
and other articles, paid a duty upon exportation. In ado; The amount granted by the imperial parliament li
to this there was a rcgular system of corn laws establishe,• been . . • • . . • • •
tween England and Leland, as complete as that now eV' by parliament since the u
Thus the excess granted
between Great Britain and the continent. No man livise iota is . . . . . . .
imagined, would deny that the exportation of corn an4l (Hear, hear.) But that was not all. The followir
produce into this country, since the union, had been bole
loin,llletided in üblic works in Ireland since the uni
to both parts of the empire. It had been said that the C74l.in addition to the large sue
gift, or otherwise,
tion of articles of raw produce was a proof of the poverty' . justl44 quoted:—
country, and not of its wealth; but did net the creation of . Loans from Consolidated Fund—roads, has.
produce afford employment to the labourer, and was he not. hours, boards of health, bridges, relief and
in proportion to the labour which he performed? (Hear.)l . *lnployment of poor, &c. • • . 6,42
quantity of exports from a country was the measure of t i 2,5::
Repayments • • •
wand for labour existing there, which, after all, was the '
--:
most wanted in Ireland. The members who attacked En • Balance . - * -3,8 c•for her conduct towards Ireland did not recollect the se . si, ',Nab no less a sum than £564.000 Oe• 2d , w
1
taxes which England paid. From all the taxes which p linrka and employment of the poor. (Hear, hear.
most severely upon England, Ireland not only claimed, b aifathilZ item connected with this outlay of the I
joyed, an exemption. Ile would state to the house some
to (low the extent to which the separate taxatien of Great