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HOUSE OF C

The hous
on the Arms

solved itself at an early hour into commit-
-Ireland) Bill.

had been postponed on

seology, was now broug

Durable members on

total reconstr

is clause proved that the b

acted, and ful'

ustified the, per

a had been hitherto given to its

took place on the clause, as
rried by a majority of 128 to 69.

xt three clauses occupied the

ht, and after disposing of the

ouse adjourned

OF LORDS-TUESDAY

DUBLIN, on presenting a peti-
ergy and lai'y on the subject of
n Ireland, stated that the petitioners

rayed the house to

ke measures for remedying the evil
it a want of a legislative measure of church government
for the united Church of England and Ireland. The pe-
tition was particularly directed to the anomalous position
of the church. It had been felt that there was a want of
legislation for the whole church ; and if it were said what
need was there for this, he replied that although the
bishops were governors of the church, yet that they had

not the power of altering or abrogating its laws
years ago he brought this subject under the consideratio
of the house, and at that time he was listened to with great
tention. He then urged that those questions should be
ttled, but nothing had yet been done. Were they now
state than they were then ? He did
Iteration should be made in the liturgy
the church, but he wished that some
mld be appointed which could settle
c needed to be settled. It was
hose points that ought to be left at
t large; but some points needed to
to way or the other, for there were points
the same church entertained different
sons entertaining those opinions de-

in a more r

not wish tha

legislative body s

t that a

les. They were told that they must
hat truth was elicitedby them. There
Houses of Parliament ; and was it to

se he differed fror
) denounce a men

ier member of high trea-on, merely
him ? And was it not high trea-
'er of the church, especially one
unsound one, merely because
That had been goine

h was disgraceful, dangerous,
If men could not agree, they
se of instruction was improper
) say that it was heterodox, that it
tides of the church, was a charge
hat of treason in a civil community.
Jew. in mind that not only laymen
shops were denounced in this man-
ner, and were declared unsound members of the church,
by persons entertaining the highest zeal for the church. In

nnotts to

Their i

d to be understood as not giving any
opinion as to who were right or who were wrong. But he
had seen it stated not only in magazines and newspapers,
but in pamphlets bearing the author's name, that such a
bishop, or such a clergyman, was an unsound member of the
church. The public had been looking with great interest
of late to the charges of the bishops, as giving such and
' • • ns. But their lordships must be aware that
had no more authority to decirl,e these points
riter of any anonymous pamphlet. A bishop
) more than give his own opinion. Then be
' ' , both in that house and in the other house
that the great body of the clergy and laity
:ealous attachment to the church ; but take
made that profession, acd they would find
lemning their opponents, who professed the
ant to the church, as unsound members of
A. said that B was an unsound member, and
Now he (the Archbishop of Dublin)
is was a state of things which was dis-
-- dangerous, and which was ruinous to
Id be disgraceful to any community
d eht ears ago, in that , at
n a state or tnings, wouig
ld not right itself; but,house onth the
contrary, that the evil would increase, and his prediction
had been most lamentably confirmed by the present state
of things, for the evil had increased, and was daily in-
creasing. They had been often told to adhere to the
wisdom of our ancestors. He could understand and
tolerate that doctrine when the circumstances were
similar; but they must know that in the time of our
ancestors the church was governed by members of
the church, but such had not been the case for
the last century. He begged to remind their lordships,
that rights carried duties along with them. The two houses
of Parliament, in conjunction with the Crown, alone had
the power of legislating for the Church; and if the three
branches of the legislature did not conceive it to be a suite-

same at

xh:en.
hunch, and
ever. He state

graced
the
wh

ble office for

a to put an end to all this discordi-arad
uncertainty, it clearly was the duty of Parliament to en-
trust the task into the hands of those who legally might
have the right to do so, and who would have the will
to do so. If he were a permanent member of that
house, and were permanently resident in England, he
would endeavour to bring the matter before the house by
a substantive motion, for an address to her Majesty,
praying for the appointment of a committee to make in-
quiry, with a view of establishing a Church government
in spiritual matters, or of causing the adoption of such
other measures as might be deemed fit and expedient. As it
was, he submitted the matter to his right reverend breth-
ren of the English bench, for if they did not agree with
him, it would be impossible for him to carry any thing in
opposition to their wishes, or, in fact, to do any thing at
all without their assistance. The most rev. prelate here
concluded with moving that the petition should lie upon
the table.

The Brstror of SALISBURY observed that there was an
anomaly in the Church which did not exist in any other
society—namely, that of having no power of self-regula
tion to accommodate itself to those changes which took
place in society. There were many circumstances which
tended to impede the action of the Church, and to em-
barrass those who administered the affairs of the Church.
When the evil was obvious, the question naturally arose,
why was it allowed to continue? He did not say that the
Houses of Convocation which were now by law the only
body entitled to speak the sentiments of the Church, con-
stituted theoretically the best government that could pos-
sibly be devised ; but he greatly doubted whether those
assemblies were deserving of the obloquy which was con-
tinually passed upon them. He agreed in what had fallen
from the most rev. prelate, that there could be no perma-
nent security for the Church if it were not permitted to

.ccommodate itself to the circumstances of the times in
which they lived, and to make those alterations which
wer,-.. necessary.

The BISHOP' of OssoßY addressed a few words to their
lordships, but was inaudible in the gallery.
The Ancwnisn'or of Dublin said, in explanation, that
the petitioners did not mention a word in favour of the
restoration of the convocation.

It was then ordered that the petition do lie upon the
able.

The Canada Corn Bill went through committee. Earl
Stanhope, the Dukes of Richmond and Buckingham, as
agricultural protectionists ; Earl Radnor. Lord Beau-
mont, and Lord Teynham, as free traders, combined to
oppose the bill, and after all recorded only 25 votes against
it'.
Their Lordships then anjourned.