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HOUSE OF LORDS.-FRIDAY.

Viscount Canterbury took the oaths and his seat. His lord-
ship was introduced, with the usual forms, by Viscounts Sidmouth
and. Sydney.
A considerable number of petitions were presented to the
house, praying for further church accommodation in Scotland.
The Earl of-SHAFTESBUriv moved that the following be added
to the standing orders of the house :—" That in all cases in
which this house shall make any order for payment of costs by
any party or parties in any appeal of writ of error, without,
specifying the amount, the clerk of the parliaments or clerk-
assistant shall, upon the application of either party, proceed for
the taxation of such costs m such manner as is directed by an
act passed in the 7th and Bth year of the reign of his late 'Ma-
jesty King George IV., entitled An act to establish a taxation
of costs on private bills in the House of Lords,' and shall give
a certificate thereof expressing the amount of such costs : and it
is further ordered, that the same fees shall be demanded from
and paid by the party applying for such taxation for and in
respect thereof as are now or shall be fixed by any resolution of
this house concerning fees made or passed in pursuance of the
said act and in relation thereto; and the said clerk of the par-
liaments or clerk-assistant may, if he thinks fit, either add or
deduct the whole or a part of such fees at the foot of his certifi-
cate; and the amount in money certified by him after such
addition or deduction (if any) shall be the sum to be demanded
and paid under or by virtue of such order as aforesaid for pay-
ment of costs."

Lord Bo oto AM expressed his approbation of the order in-
troduced by the noble earl.
illation &greed to, and the proposed addition made to the orders
accordingly.
The Agra go'vernment bill was read a third time, and passed.
—Adjourned.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAY.
Among the petitions presented to the house, Sir Richard
Vyvyan presented one from Bristol signed by about 5000 persons,
praying for protection to the established church of Ireland.

NAVY ESTIMATES.
Sir B. PEEL said that he should not oppose the house going
into committee upon the motion of the noble lord the member
for Devonshire, but it was necessary for him to remind the
house that it was of great importance there should be no great
delay in taking a vote on the navy estimates, and also in for-
warding the mutiny bill a stage. Provided, therefore, the debate
of to-night became an adjourned debate, as he anticipated it
would, it would ho his duty to move the house to go into a
committee of supply on Monday night, for the purpose of voting
the u:tvy estimates; and he should be bound also to bring for-
ward the mutiny bill again on that night.
Mr. HUME wished to ask the right hon. baronet, if in case the
debate of to-night was adjourned over till Monday, he meant to
take a single vote on the navy estimates, or any particular
number ?

Sir R. PEEL said he should propose to take those votes only
the delay in taking which would occasion public inconvenience.
He should propose that at five o'clock the mutiny hill should be
moved; then that the totes on the navy estimates should be
taken till perhaps eight or nine o'clock; and afterwards that tbe
adjourned debate should be resumed.

DISSENTERS' AIARRIAGE BILL.
Mr. WILES wished to know if, notwithstanding the arrange-
ment just mentioned, it was the intention of the right bon.
baronet to move the second reading of the dissenters' marriage
bill on Monday, which stood for that day ?
Sir R. PEEL said, that supposing there should be an adjourned
debate, he should not propose the second leading of that bill in
competition with the resumption of the adjourned debate ; but
if there should be no adjourned debate, and the mutiny bill and
navy estimates were disposed of by about ten o'clock, probably
there would be no objection to the second reading of the dissen-
ters' marriage bill, but he would suit the convenience of the
house as to that.

CHURCH OF IRELAND.

On tie motion of Lord. Jon?: RUSSELL the house went into
committee on his resolution.

Mr. BElislar. having taken the chair, and out the question;
another debate ensued, in which Mr. Finch, Mr. A. Johnstone,
Conolly, Mr. S. Craford, Sir Robert Bateson, Lord Castle-
reagh, -Mr. Wyse, and Mr. Shaw addressed the chairman.
Lord SANDON said that during the five day's debate he had
heard much abuse of the protestant church, much said about
the wretched condition of the Irish peasantry, but not one
word to explain how the noble lord's resolution was to recon-
cile them to the payment of tithes. (Hear, hear.) Had a
single petition been presented to the house calling for an appro-
priation of a portion of church property to the purposes of
education, as a means of reconciling them to the payment of
tithes? The noble lord now called upon the house to sanction
a measure which was opposed to the principles of the late go-
vernment, of which he was a member. (Hear.) What reason
was there to suppose that it would satisfy the people of Ireland?
He did not feel himself called on to discuss the question,
whether or not the state hail the right to appropriate to Ether
but ecclesiastical purposes the property of the church. But
supposing that the state had such right, yet it ought to be recol-
lected, that the rights of ail king's of property were mingled
together, and that it was likely, if the House of Commons
should divert to secti!ar purposes the property of the church,
which ever since the reformation the people Shad been accus-
tomed to regard as sacred, that a notion would be spread
through the country that all other property was equally in-
secure. ((fear, hear.) The house surely would not forget the
dilemma in which the noble lord opposite had been placed
by the right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of .the Exchequer.
The noble lord estimated the revenue of the Irish church at
£BOO,OOO a-year. Now, supposing that the sum of £200,000
was appropriated to the purpose of general educW ion, the amount
remaining fur the Irish clergy would be £600,000, which per-
haps the noble lord did nut think too much. But if the noble
lord did not think £600,000 too much for the Irish church,
would he recommend any alienation of church property, when
it was proved that the property did . not exceed in amount
£400,(X)0? (Hear, hear.) That was a dilemma from which
the noble lord could not escape, and yet the house was now
called on to leeislate on the supposition of a surplus which the
noble mover of the proposition would consider to be no surplus
whatever. Ile should have been surprised to see even on
inexperienced member of that house make such an appropria-
tion, but to timid that it had been brought forward by one who
was acquainted with the responsibilities of office did truly
astonish him. Would the noble lord who presided over the late
government have concurred iu that resolution ? The house
had been told that the great grievance of Ireland was the
establishment of a church the tenets of which were not professed
by the great majority of the people, and yet the noble lord,
who had declared his object to be to give satisfaction to Ireland,
moved a resolution which did not in the slightest degree go to
remove that pretended grievance. For these reasons it was
his determination to oppose the resolution before the committee.
(Hear, hen r.)
Eventually tha debate on the resolution in committee was
adjourned. -

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The house adjourned at a quarter past one o'clock,