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HOUSE OF LORDS.—TuEsnAr.

- The royal assent was given by commission to several bills,
among which was one for improving the ferry over the river
Dee.
Lord JOHN RUSSF.LL brought up a bill fur the reform of mu-
nicipal corporations iu England and Wales.
The bill was read a first time pro forma and ordered to be
read a second time on Tuesday next.

ECCLESIAILIICAI. REVENUES BILL.
On the motion of the Archbishop of Canterbury, this bill was
re-committed for the purpose of adding two clauses as amend-
ments. •-•
Several bills on the tattle were forwarded a stage.— Ad-
journed.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TCESDAY.
In consequence of .a ballot for the oorough of Kingston-upon-
Hull being taken, the gallery did nut open until a quarter-past
four o'clock.

EXPENSES OF GRANTING NEW CHARTERS.
Mr. PEA SE moved for certain paperi connected with this sub.
ject, which were ordered to be printed.

1 ARMOUTII ELECTION.
Mr. PRAED gave notice, that he would (as we understood)
to-morrow present a petition from certain of the electors of Great
Yarmouth, praying to be beard by counsel before the commit•

tee.
Mr. S. RICE, we understood, gave notice that on the 28th
of July he would move for the consolidation of the offices of
treasurer of the ordnance, treasurer of the navy, and paymas-
ter of the forces, but from the very low and indistinct tone in
which he spoke, it was in► possible to do more than guess at the
purport of his expressions.
Lord MoiteEzu hoped that all hon. gentlemen who bad no-
tices on the book for that night would be good enough to give
way, and suffer the house to proceed with the Irish Church bill.
He trusted, amongst the zest, that the hon. member for La-

nark would give way. •
Mr. MAxwELL said he would give way, but he hoped that he
should not be prevented by the under-strappers of the govern-
recut from bringing_ on his motion on the 4th of August, for which
day he would now fix it; and he now gave notice (as we under 7
stood) that on that day he would move that the conduct of the
hand-loom weavers, in the patience with which they had borne
their great privations, and the manner in which they had ap-
proached the legislature to seek relief, was such as merited the
favourable consideration of the house.

CHURCH OF IRELAND BILL.
Sir R. PEEL. said that he had several petitions to presen

against the bill, the order of the day for the commitment of
which was now about to be moved, and he thought he should
best consult the convenience of the house if he simply laid them
on Ole table, stating only the places from which they were sent.
The right hon. baronet then presented petitions against the bill
from Soinerten, in the county of Somerset; from the clergy of
the deanery of Doncaster, in the county of York; from Some
place in the county of Gloucester; from Sion College, London;
from Brighton, and another place .the.name of which we not
hear.
Coleriel P.KnckY a at., Mr. J AcKsoN, and several other members,
presented similar petitions front the county of Sligo against any
alienation of church property.—They were read and ordered to
lie on the table.
Lord MonPETII then moved the order of the day for the com-
mittee on the church of Ireland bill.
Sir Itoeeaz PEEL then rose for the purpose of moving as an
instruction to the comieittee "that the bill he divided into two
bills."—[The speech of the right hon. baronet being too long
even for abridgment in our, columns, with any prospect of con-
necting its leading points, we substitute for it the following ex-
cellent summary and commentary, which we extract from the
Times of Weduesctay.]—Sir H. Peel commenced his speech by
frankly declaring his conviction, that if reason and justice could
possibly prevail with the House of Commons, it would not refuse
to accede to his motion. Ile knew, however, that he had to
contend with great obstacles. First, he had to contend against
the piejudice created by the oftentimes repeated exaggerations
of the amount of the property of the established church in Ire-
land, and he confessed that, considering the grossness of those
exaggerations, he was not surprised at the impression they had
made upon that portion of the house cud the public who be-
lieved them. Dr. Dole, in a letter to Lord Farnham, had de-
clared that the annual income of the established cbnrch in Ire-
land amounted "to several millions sterling," and that the
members of the church were about 200,000 in number. When
Mr. Hume brought forward the subject in 1834 he calculated
the number of the members of the church at 51)0,000. and the
annual income of the church at £3,200,(00. In 1534, Mr.
Ward materially reduced the extravagant estimates of Dr.
Doyle, and the nearly as extravagant estimates of Mr. Hume.
Mr. Ward, however, rated
-the number of the members of the

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established church at only 600,000, while he estimated the an
nual revenues of the church at £937,317. Lord Althorp, in
bringing forward the Irish church temporalities bill, fairly ad-
mitted how grossly the revenues of the Irish church had been
exaggerated by others, and how grossly he had exaggerated
them eveu to 'himself. Lord Althorp declared that he did not
believe the revenues would be [(mud to exceed £BOO,OOO, and he
entreated the house to proceed upon facts, and not to be curried
away by, the loose estimates that hail hitherto misled them on
this subject. So, said Sir lt. Peel, do I now entreat the house
to proceed upon facts, and upon facts only. This recommen-
dation of the right hon. gent-lemons coupled with the recapitu-
lation of the startling exaggerations he had enumerated, ap-
peared to makea strong impression upon the house, nor was
that impression at all weakened by his reproach, that hon.
members had up till that moment mistaken the echo of their
own delusions for conviction, and acted upon these false esti-
mates as though they bad been ascertained facts. Besides the
obstacle which the prejudice arising from these exaggerations
has produced, Sir it. Peel alluded to another obstacle--viz.,
the effect of the resolutions, which, though founded upon erro-
neous conclusions, the house, for party purposes, had been in-
duced to pass; and he plainly enoughintimated his apprehen-
sion, that although the object of those resolutions—the removal
of one government, and the bringing in of another—was now
effected, and although the error of the conclusions upon which
theresolutions were founded has been fully demonstrated by
the-reenrt of ceininissioners appointed by the existing minis-
ters, still false pride and false delicacy might prevent a inajerity,
of the house from retracing the false steps it has made. " Had
I to deal with unprejudiced and ingenuous minds," said Sir It.
Peel, limy ,task would be easy." Nothing could have been
snore generous (to his opponents) than the mode in which Sir
R. Peel argued his case. Laying aside, pro hoc vice, his own
opinions and principles, he declared that he would demonstrate
from the recorded principles and the promises of ministers them-
selves, from their own evidence and their own arguments, that
there was no surplus, that the pretence of the existence of a
surplus was a dishonest one, and that to proceed upon that pre-
tence would be to undermine now, and at no distant period to
overthrow, the protestant establishment in Ireland. We
wd-
lingly leave it to every man who can read to judge whether Sir
It. Peel redeemed his pledge.
In the first place Sir It. Peel proceeded to describe with great
care and minuteness how the Irish church temperalities bill
hose upon the arrangements of the present bill. We have not
room here to enter into this detail, for whirls we must refer our
readers to our parliamentary report. Suffice it to observe fur
the present that Sir It. Peel showed, from parliamentary docu-
Mesita, that the perpetuity fund created by that act not only
cannot provide for the objects which Lord Grey contemplated,
but that with a heavy annual charge upon it, which it cannot
meet, it has already contracted an enormous debt, and suppos-
ing what it has borrowed, viz., 1:100,000, to be paid off in Au-
gust, which is impossible, still its annual excess of charge over
revenue will prevent its being otherwise than in debt for more
than 37 years to come. Upon this fund, nevertheless, Lord
Morpetb proposes to saddle the payment, that is to say, the ulti-
mate payment of five per cent. to every clergyman. This pro-
posal, however, is not so farcical as it sounds, for the treasury
is to advance the money in the first instance, which means, of
course, that the English people is to pay it first and last, as they
are to pay the £1,000,000, which was also, by a joke which we
should have thought too practical to be played a second titre,
charged upon the sidle perpetuity fund.
Having disposed of this part of the subject, Sir R. Peel pro-
ceeded to observe that there was in mathematics a process called
the process of exhaustion; but he said that he doubted whether
the most skilful algebraist could have brought it to bear so ef-
fectually as Lord Morpeth has in this bill. His lordship has
directed three batteries against the funds of the protestant esta-
blishment of Ireland. The first is his deduction of three-tenths
per cent. from tithes. The second is the re-opening of the com-
positions for tithe—thefercible re-opening of those compositions
which have been made by the consent of both parties. The
third is the fixing of those compositions at the average price of
:corn for the last seven years. As to the first, Sir li. Peel said
he had little to say, except that it reduced the amount to he re-
ceived by the clergyman to a certain extent ; which, however,
was necessary in effecting Compositions. The second exposed
the clergyman, who might have received no tithes for the last
three years, to the expense of defending a composition of fifteen
years standing before a tribunal, to the expenses of which the
clergyman was to contribute. This tribunal, the triple curse of
three barristers, was to visit the unhappy clergynian and re-
open his composition, but what expense it might put hint to:was
obviously snot capable of estimation, though the vexation and the
injustice of the course must strike every one. It was possible,
however, to crtimate the loss that would accrue to the clergyman