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those who called for it agreed in their opinions as to the course
which should be adopted ? Let the house for a moment look to
the course which the present discussion had taken. Not any
two of the gentlemen who had taken part in the debate in sup-
port of the motion for the appointment of a committee were
agreed as to the course which should be adopted; not one of
them but differed diametrically front the other as to the remedy
to winch it was desirable to resort. The hon. gentleman who
had spoken first, (the hon. member for Whitchaven,).had, as
it had been remarked, wisely abstained from suggesting any
particular remedy. It was obvious, however, that a deprecia-
tion of the currency was the object which he had in view. That
hon. member had said that our population had increased, and
that our produce had increased, but that notwithstanding all
that we prevented our standard from being increased. The
hon. member might just as well have said, " Roads have in-
creased, and new works have been discovered, and yet the yard
and mile remain the same." (Hear, hear, hear, and a laugh.)
Let not, then, the hon. member suppose that we had not a va-
riable currency because we had a fixed money standard of va-
lue.. The two things were not at all incompatible, quite the
contrary, as every day's experience of the commercial transac-
tions of this country fully proved. The hon. member for White-
haven, as he had already said, had suggested no remedy; he
had only attempted to show that our present monetary system
was chargeable with every evil that afflicted this country, and
he wisely and prudently abstained from indicating the remedy.
He was followed on his side of the question by the hon. member
for Oldham, who said that he would vote for the motion,. and
yet that he differed upon every point with the hon. member who
had brought it forward. (A laugh.) He (Sir Robert Peel)
was never more disappointed than he had been upon this occa-
sion by the speech of the hon. member for Oldham. He had
said that he was particularly entitled to address the house on
this subject ; that it was one to which he had particularly ap-
plied himself; that no man who spoke upon the subject could
say a word that was worth listening to that had not been stolen
fiow him (Mr. Cobbett,) and that the noble lord the Chancellor
of the Exchequer had made a very good speech, but that it had
been all taken from his (Mr. Cobbett's) writings. (A laugh.)
He could assure the hon. member for Oldham, that he might
entertain no such fears with regard to the speech which he had
delivered on this occasion, he might not apprehend that he
would have any one to steal his ideas in that instance ; they
were too original, too extraordinary, to tempt even the most
unprincipled plunderer of such ware. Never indeed was there
a speech made that possessed more efficient claims to an exclu-
sive copyright. (A laugh.) No one that heard him deliver it
could, it he had not heard the previous debate, bring himself to
imagine for a moment that it was on the currency question..
While the hon. member was speaking a young member, who
had just come into the house, and who sat behind him (Sir R.
Peel,) addressed him thus—" Is the currency debate over ? On
the navy estimates, I suppose ?" (A laugh.) The fact was,
that the hon. member had delivered himself upon the currency
question of his old notes upon the navy estimates. The lion.
member told them that he was for a gold standard, and that he
preferred the king's coin to cotton paper. All the remedy that
the hon. member proposed was that we Should cut dowri every-
thing connected with our expenditure to the standard of 179'2.
The lion. member told them that it was proper England should
always assume a high tone; that poor Canning made her do so
till he was corrupted by the Whigs, (alaugh,) that she should not
allow Prance to have a navy, or Spain to have a navy—that, in
fact, she should insist upon undisputed dominion upon the sea;
and what was the hon. member's secret for effecting this mag-
nificent project? Simply to cut down our' expenuiture to the.
standard of 1792. (Hear, hear.) He would ask the hon. mem-
ber how he would propose to deal with the Cape of Good Hope
—with the Mauritius—with Malta ? (Hear.) The hon. mem-
ber said that England had been engaged in a great naval war,
in which she had annihilated the power of her enemies, and
yet he was at a loss to know why the number of our admirals
had been increased. (A laugh.) The third speaker iu favour
of the motion was the honourable member for Knaresborough.
The remedy which he proposed was, that they should have an
issue of paper money convertible into gold ingots. The hon.
member for Wolverhampton was the next that followed in sup-
port of the motion, and he proposed that the whole of the burdens
of the country should be thrown upon the landed interest. The
hon. member for the northern division of Yorkshire, and the
hon. member for Newcastle, had not proposed any particular
plan ; their plan was for a general and rapid rise of prices, how-
ever it might lie effected, throughout the country. Another hon.
gentleman, the hon. member for Birmingham, had not spoken
on this occasion, and he (Sir R. Peel) did not know, therefore,
whether he was inclined now to depart from the plan which he
had recommended as a remedy in 1817. That plan was for an
unlimited depreciation of the standard. Suppose, now, without
Joining any of the opponents of the motion with those seven
gentlemen, they should send those seven gentlemen to consider
merely this question of the•currency—he would ask was there
the slightest prospect of their discovering or assreeing. upon a
practical remedy? (Hear, hear.) Would it' be wise when
they found a.patient labouring under a severe disorder to scud
for two physicians, differing so diametrically in opinion as the
hon. member for Oldham and the hon. member for Birming-
ham,—to send for Sangrado from Oldham, and for Cuchuelo from
Birmingham, to rid the poor patient of all his evils by putting
an end to his existence ? (Much laughter.) The motion was
for the appointment of a committee to inquire into the distress ,•
but if such a committee should be appointed, the country would
understand, from what had taken place in the course of the dis-
cussion, that the object of its appointment was a depreciation of
the currency ; and it would firmly believe that it had no other ob-
ject in view. He believed that a good deal of that suffering was
attributable to the effects of the past political excitement, which
were now passing away, and besides, the suspension of commer-
cial dealings, which caused that distress, was also attributable
to the circumstance of those great questions of the bank charter,
and the East Indies and the West Indies not yet being settled.
If, in addition to the uncertainty thus produced, they were to
throw in doubts as to the maintenance of our present standard
of value, they would only enhance the difficulties of the country,
and the sufferings of the different classes of the population in it.
The present motion was, no doubt, mixed up with a plausible
proposition for an inquiry into the distress of the country, but if
they.were convinced that its real object was a depreciation of
the currency, he trusted that they would do their duty in reject-
ing it. Sure he was that their constituents would separate the
real object of the motion from the plausible pretence with which
it had been connected, and that they would give them credit for
a right and for a just decision. They could address their con-
stituents in the words of that great man Edmund Burke,—of
that man who surpassed in all the highest intellectual attain-
ments any man that had existed either before or after him in
this country ; who reviewed iu his large and comprehensive mind
the relations of the governed and of government with clearer
views than any man had displayed since the time of Lord Ba-
con. (Cheers.) He would, read to them the doctrine of that
most exalted man respecting the duty of representatives towards
their constituents. He says, in answer to those who called upon
him to vote against his conscience, or to resign his seat, "It is
certainly not pleasing to be put out of the public service. But
I wish to be a member of Parliament, to have my share of
doing good and resisting evil. It would, therefore, be absurd
to renounce my objects, in order to obtain my seat. I deceive
myself indeed most grossly, if I had not much rather pass the
remainder of my life hidden in the recesses of the deepest ob-
scurity, feeding my mind even with the visions and imagina-
tions of such things, than to be placed on the most splendid
throne in the universe, tantalized with a denial of the practice
of all which can make the greatest situation any other than the
greatest curse." Ile called upon them in the same spirit fear-
lessly to do their duty. They were placed on the mountain top,
in order that they might take a more correct view of things
than those who were involved in the mists and obscurity of the
plain. They might depend upon it, if they did their duty ac-
cording to their conscience end judgment, their constituents
would not call them to account; and if they did, they could
reply to them in the beautiful words of Mr. Burke, which he
had just quoted. He (Sir B. Peel) called upon the members
of this the first reformed Parliament, in the same way to do
their duty; they might depend upon it that their constituents
would do justice to their motives, that they would look upon
them as having acted according to their honest judgment and
conscience, as having acted as representatives who had faith-
fully fulfilled their duties to the country, and who had proved
themselves worthy of being intrusted with the protection of its
interests. The right honourable baronet sat down amidst loud
cheers.

lonel TORTIENS attempted to address the house amidst
erieS of " Question, question," " Divide, divide." Not being
able to obtain a hearing, the l►on. member moved the adjourn-
ment of the debate.

Lord Avr;mitc put it to the house whether after so long a
-discussion, and after so many gentlemen had spoken, it was de-
-sirable to adjourn the debate. (Cries of "Go on.")
Colonel TonnExs said he had no objection to proceed, but he
undeiStOod that several other gentlemen wished to speak also.

Mr. M. ATIWOOD said that- several other gentlemen would
sneak, and that it would'be totally impossible to close the debate
that night. •
lionnisoN was, on the same grounds, fin an adjournment
of the debate.
Colonel Ton RENs again attempted-to address the house, but,
being interrupted by the noise and cries of " Question," he
moved the adjournment of the debate.
The house divided:—

For the adjournment
Against it

93
313

Majority.
On our re-admission into the gallery we found Col. Torrens
on his legs, but the cries of "adjourn" were so loud and fre-
vent as to prevent the hearing of a single syllable uttered by
toe gallant member, who, at length, finding it useless to pro-
ceed, moved again the adjournment of the debate.
The SPEAKER intimated to the gallant colonel that, in the
event of his motion being carried, he would not be in posses-
sion of the house, as he had spoken after the question of ad-
journment had been disposed of.
Col. TOrrens, however, persisting in his motion,
Lord ALTHORP said that as he wished the expression of the
opinion of the house to take place on the question iu the fullest
and freest manner, he should not persevere in his opposition to
the motion of adjournment, provided the understanding wLv,
that the debate should close to-morrow (this day.)
After a feW words froM Mr. Hume, who recommended the
adjourmnent, the further debate ou Mr. Attwoou's motion was
adjourned to five o'clock this day.

rt he other orders of the day were then disposed of.—.kdjou.rn,
ed at half-past two o'clock.

DOMESTXC.

COURT AND FASBIONAT3LE WORLD.

. DEATH OP SIR CHRISTOPHER ROBINSON, JUDGE OF THE
ADMIRALTY COURT.—Yesterday morning Sir Christopher Ro-
binson, the judge of the Admiralty Court, died at his residence
in Wimpole-street, Cavendish-square, in the 70th year of his
age, lie had sat in the Admiralty Court in the first session of
the present term, and appeared in his usual health and- spirits.
He complained the day previously of illness, but his death was
not expected by his family to take place in so short a period.
He officiated, during the greater part of the late war, as king's
Advocate, in which capacity, and as leading counsel of the Ad-
miralty Court, he was engaged in nearly all the prize causes and
captures of the time,
The Hon. Mr. Cavendish, the proprietor of the Castlebdr •Te-
legraph, found guilty at Galway- Assizes of libel, has been sen-
tenced to one month's imprisonment, a tine of £2OO to the
King, and to provide bail in £l,OOO for seven years, to keep the
peace to the Marquess of Sligo.
Lucien Buonaparte, Prince of Canino, has come to Lon-
don. His brother Joseph is somewhere in the suburbS, but
do not know where.

By the eleVation of Mr. Foley to the House of Peers, in
consequence of Lord Foley's death, a vacancy occurs in the re-
presentation of the western division of Worcester. It is stated
with some degree of confidence, that Mr. Osman Ricardc, of
Bromsborough, will offer on the Whig interest. It is likewiie
rumoured that Mr. Pakington will be proposed by the Con-
servatives. Mr. Pakington has sailed from Liverpool for
Ca-
nada, and it is expected will return in about four months. Mr.
W. Dowdeswell (of Pull Court, near Tewkesbury) has also
been mentioned in connection with the same party. Sir C. S.
Smith, Bart., and Captain Berkeley (the late candidate for
Glocester) are talked of.— Worcester Journal.

Report gives the vacant place of Captain of the Band of
Gentlemen Pensioners to Lord Gosford, and Lord Gusfor(Ps
place in the Bedchamber to the son of the late LOrd Foley,
We are sorry to hear that the property of the deceased lord has
been left in a perplexing situation, and that the preient Lord
Foley Kreatly reduced his income by au unsuccessful effort Jo
serve his father. The late lord was a very honest
Globe.

The Lord Mayor gave a grand dinner on Sunday to the Lord
Chancellor, the Judges, and several other distinguished per-
sons. We understand that some of the company were merry-
upon the daring spirit of the Lord Mayor in getting a dinner
dressed on the Sabbath. The excuse of the Bishop of Llan-
daff was that he had himself a party to dine with him on that
day.

A petition was on Friday laid before the House of Lords, by
the Lord Chancellor, which had been presented to his Majestv'
from Jonathan Chetwood, Esq., claiming the "Barony of Lie
Wahull." It was ordered to be deferred to their Lordships'
Committee of Privileges.
We are glad, both for the sake of the public and of ourselves,
to hear that Lord Althorp intends to modify his proposition
with respect to the duty on advertisements, and to make his
reduced scale a fixed, not a graduated, one. A graduated scale
would have been found disadvantageous to the public, and it
would have put newspaper establishments to a vast deal of un-
necessary trouble and expense.— Times.
THE SIGNS OF THE TIMES.—If any faith can be placed in the
indication of changes that are so apparent in certain leading
articles, we should be strongly inclined to believe that the
Reform Ministry," as they are called, par excellence—wilt
very soon abandon the helm of the state vessel, which they
have embayed near a lucky lee shore. The rats, whiCh are
creatures of no small sagacity, have evidently begun to leave
the vessel, which these followers of savoury state cooks never
do, until the leak increases so much as to render all the excl..
tion of hand and chain pumps useless. The same phenomena
have been invariably observed whenever the old ship has sprung-
a leak; and we do think seriously, that such warnings ought
not to be despised, even when they come from quarters that are
not remarkable for the niceties with which they bore into the
tallow casks and pastry of official nabobs; for these little things
are "as wise as serpents," and are "wiser in their generatifJu
than the children of light." But' even inanimate objects are
sometimes found useful to tell the changes of the wind; and on
this point we remember a very old epigram, imitated, rather
than translated, from Martial. It runs thus:—
" The craven rook and pert jackdaw,
Though neither birds of moral kind,
Yet serve when hang'd and stuff'd with straw,
To tell us which way blows the wind."
After this, as Mr. Stanley observes, who shall rise up and say
from what tags and jags hints may not be taken ?-111opuing
Herald.

THE LANCASHIRE WITCHES.—On Wednesday evening, at a
meeting held at Manchester to petition the King not to issue
Commission to make further inquiry into the factory system,
Mr. E. Dixon related the following anecdote :—" A young
Dutchman came to Manchester on business; he visited the fac-
tory of Mr. J. Pollard, and, on leaving it, remarked to his friend
how much he was disappointed in the appearance of the ' Lan-
cashire Witches,' their wan looks, shortness of stature, and de-
fect of figure, made them infinitely inferior to his own country-
women. The next day he dined with Pollard's family. Tile
day after he exclaimed to his friend, 'Ah, I have found de Lan-
cashire Witches;' and dwelt with eestacy on the fine com-
plexions, the expressive eyes, the animated and intelligent
countenances, and the graceful figures of the young ladies of
the-family. Now this, said the speaker, is a fair illustration of
the system; those who thrive by it bring up their daughters in
affluence, and they become the Lancashire witches, while those
who are its victims—having all the natural requisites of beautf—
excite the surprise even of a Dutchman by their uninviting ap-
pearance." Petition unanimously agreed to.

In consequence of a medical survey having been here:on
Second Lieutenant O'Connell, of the Woolwich Divi:ion of
Royal Marines, (previous to the holding of the 'Court-martial
on that officer, for charges stated in our last,) which reported
him of weak intellect, the Cotirt declined passing any sentence
on the prisoner; the Admiralty,. in consequence, have ordered
him to placed on half-pay. We are hound fo nOti-celharthe
country, in this case, is saddled with an annuitYto an offiCer af-
ter only 18 mouths' service. Mr. O'Connell, from his first
joining the corps, was known to be unfit. for any duty. We
fear the Government has consented to this as a sort of peace-
offering .to the great Agitator, who is uncle to the party in aues-
tion.—Hatershire Telegraphs.
. . .
SCOTCH Cutmcii.—We have to announce that a Presbytery
was on Friday constituted in the Scottish Church, St. Peter's-
square, entitled the " Lancashire Scottish Church Presbytery."
comprising the congregations in communion with the 'Church
of Scotland, in Manchester,- Liverpool, Ramsbottom, and the
Isle of Man. It is expected that this measure will materially
' pi-I-mote the spiritual interests of the numerous body of Scotch
resident in these districts.—Manchester Herald.
LANCASHIRE YROMANRY.—We have reason to- believe that
some time in the course of next month—Ltdwardi the latter' end
probably—the Lancashire Yeomanry Cavalry will be out for
the usual period of training and exercise.
Tun INFLVENZA'—This singular disease, which has • pre-
vailed so extensively in London, has Made its appearanCe in
Manchester, exhibiting precisely the same , symptoms as those
ode described Tact Week. Wherever- it gains a tooting it runs
through whole families; attacking indiscriminately tihri' wo-
man, and child. We have heard of several lathe estatlish-
tments in town Where a majority of the clerks and warehouse-
t men have been laid up atone time. Happily there isiio clang( r
attending the complaint, but the writer of this can bear witness,
from his own experience, that the pains in the back and liinht,,
the head-aches, the violent coughs, and other symptoms of the
disease, are extremely disagreeable. Profuse perspiration ap-
pears'to be the beSt remedy that can be adopted.