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GREAT-
PrZOTESTANT MEETING

AT UHL AMPHITHEATRE.

As early as nine o'clock yesterday morning the doors
of the Amphitheatre were crowded by ladies and gentle-
men, anxious to obtain admission, although it was known
that the business advertised to take place within its walls
would not commence until eleven o'clock. In the course
of Monday and Tuesday, and on Wednesday
_morning,
four thousand tickets of admission to doe-theatre bad been
issued : still the applications for them were- continued
until the morning of the following day ; and had the
building been sufficiently capacious to contain double that
number, we have no doubt whatever that eight thousand
persons would have attended. At half past ten o'clock
every part of the house, including the stage, was full,
excepting the space on the stage reserved for the chair-
, man and his friends, and the orchestra, which was exclu-
sively set apart for the accommodation of the reporters
for the public press. The view of the house, from the
stage, was an imposing spectacle, .when the number of
persona seen from that situation, and the coMmon objects
for which they had assembled were,taken into considera-
tion,—namely, the formatimvola Protestant Association,
the exposure of the errorS;the delusions, the frauds, and.
the withering influence of popery, and the propagation
Of THE TVORMir, unpolluted by crafty, subtle, and pries=tly
interpOlatioes, among our fellow subjects in Ireland. On
'The stage we noticed the principal members-of the clerical
professiqn, together with all the leading merchant's, bank,
ers, and tradesmen of Liverpool and its vicinity—The.
dress circle of bores was almost Wholly occupied by ladies,
a great number of whom were also seen in the gallery, in
the pit, and on the stage.
At eleven o'clock, William Hulton, Esq., of Hulton
Par k7entered the house from the stage door, accompanied
lay tlie Rev. Messrs M'Ghee and Pope, and a number of
other friends. The appearance of these gentletnep occa-
sioned a loud and general cheering from the' assembly.
When this public manifestation of respect had subsided;.
C. S Parker; Esq.., moved that Mr. Hulton be requested
to take the cbair • this proposition being seconded oy the
Rey. Dr. Ralph, chair;
Hulton thok the. chair, and proceed-
cl address the meeting to the following effect :

Ladies and gentlemen,—Though called by the motion which.
has been Moved, seconded, and has received your sanction, to
take this chair, I could not satisfy my conscience to enter on
the important duties'of the day, nor would you,'l feel satisfied,
approve of any attempt of mine to execute them, except we first
ask of Almighty God the influences of his spirit to calm the
troubles which agitate our minds, and to enable us to go through
the bu.iness of this day in a spirit of peace and love. (Cheers.)
I call on the Rev. Mr. Buddicombe to offer up a prayer.
Mr. BUDD(CoMBE then stepped forward to the front of the
orrhestra, and offered an appropriate and impressive prayer.
The CHAIRMAN then again rose, and spoke nearly at follows :
—Ladies and gentlemen—,-my christian fiends; those who
know me best are perfectly aware of the deep humility with
which I have entered on the dnties of this day. I look around
me and see many who ought to have preceded me in taking this
chair. And my own iusigutficance in thin great town assures
me that I ought not to have been placed in this very prominent
situation. But when duty calls, ad minor considerations must
at once give way. Still I cannot help looking back to a siini-
tar meeting last year when 1 had the honour of addressinZ you.
I remember that this chair was then filled by extraordinary
station acid talent, of which I unfortunately can in no respect
boast. lam aware also, that by men on whose judgment we
place very great reliance, objections may be raised to the mode
of proceedings. But if a man will leave every good work
undone till no objection can be raised against it, many a good
Work will be left undone for ever. (Cneers.) Now let me most
anxiously implore you, my approving friends, to lay aside, as
far as it is possible, every feeling of party politics and of party
prejudice (Cheers.) Aed let me assure you—if within these
wails there are any that oppose—let me assure you that we meet
you in the spirit of christian purity, fur the cause of those whom
we think to Ile deluded, and that no hostile provocation actuates
any part of our conduct. (Hear.) Gentlemen, the inhabitants
of the south of Ireland are suffering cruel persecution, and the
causes remain to be proved this day, if possible, by a rev. gen-
tleman specialty commissioned to 'lay before yuu such informa-
tion. What the church of Rome was I have the oppoi tunitv of
explaining to you in a mode which may be new to many of my
hearers. 1 happen to hold in my hands two indulgences of two
popes, autltentic documents delivered to one of my ancestors,
fur the salvation of his soul ss it! of mine, if I had not heroine
heretic. (Immense cheering.) One was given by Pope Bugs-
nius IV., and the ether by Pope Bonifare IX., granting an in-
dulgehce to his ancestors, and extending it to him '( Mr. H.)
and his successors if they remained catholics. Are these the
documents that we are to present at the bar of judgment ?-,-the
passports to heaven? (Immense cheering.) Is this a docu-
ment you would exchange for the cleansing blood of the ever
living redeemer of man? (Cheers.) If the response of your
hearts be that they are nut, may we hope that, assembling Isere
under the blessing of Almighty God, such a spirit may be raised
in the town that each poor Irishman may now be able to say.
ignorant- though 1 may be, this l know, that "whereas once I
was blind now I see." (Cheers.) Gentlemen, I beg to call on
the Rev. Robert M•Ghee to propose the fiist resolution.
The Rev. R. 1. 11,1`Glinh theu,ruse aud spoke nearly as follows:
—Though I have the honour to address this vast and respects
able meeting at the request of some of the most respectable aud
respected individuals who compose it, yet if I were to appear
before you on such contemptible considerations, and with such
paltry and insignificant objects as the public journals have so
liberally ascribed to me—it I were to stand here as the tool of a
political party, actuated by political motives, to promote some
political end, I should stand with feelings very different indeed
twin those with which I present myself before yOn this day.
(Cheers.) For, when 1 consider the importance of the subject
on which I am called to address this meeting—when I consider
the persons, the interests, the principles, the feelings, the pre-
judices, the passions which are involved in it, I should sink un-
der the weight of responsibility which lies on :ne if I stood on
the sandy foundation of the paltry considerations of mere tem-
porary concerns. But, sir, I stand here on very different
grounds. Uncounected all my life with any political party—
without communication, without concert. without conference,
without authority, without accountability to any party, or any
man of any party it, the empire—desirous, indeed, not to give
unnecessary offence, but not solicitous in the discharge of nay
solemn duty to please any man in all your empire from the
cottage to the thrtne. I stand here, sir, on the authority of
this holy word, (holding a bible in his hand,) the word of the
eternal" God —acknowledging, indeed, my accountability fur toy
conduct and my expressions to the laws of my country, aud to
the' laws, I hope, not only of civilized but of christian society,
hut for my principles, for my motives, acknowledging no ac-
countability to any one on earth—to none but to God in heaven.
(Loud and continued applause.) I did not descend, sir, into
the arena of your political controversies, but I invite all your
politicians and all your statesmen to come and stand on the
ground I do. For it is ground on which the poorest, the mean-
est, the humblest individual like myself may stand with confi-
dence and firmness, and it is ground on which, if the statesman
or the monarch does not plant his foot, he has no foundation to
rest on for time or for eternity. (Loud cheering.) The man
who takes his stand on the principle of eternal truth stands on
an elevation superior to the patronage of tho statesman, and
above the power of the throne. If the whole world were ar-
rayed against him, he stands on a rock—the world stands on a
quicksand. He can smile amidst its scorn, he shall stand un-
moved amidst its ruins. What effect, or whether any effect may
be produced upon the political interests of England or Ireland
by the truths which it is my duty to lay before this meeting it is
not for me to calculate. This I know, that effect ought to Le
produced by them—they ought to lead ail men who are in etror
to consider before it be too late, whether the errors of which they
are ashamed in time tau stand, as your chairman has so forcibly
illustrated, when we come to appear at the bar of etc tnitv. 1
am sure they ought to produce this effect—that all men should
know the value of true religion—(cheers)—the value of a reli-
gion which is founded on the word of the living and eternal
God, should rally around and maintssin the truth. 1 speak not
'as a politician, but as a minister of Christ, whets I say woe,
woe, woe be to the guilty nation that desires to exclude the
word of God from its councils— (loud and continued cheering)

—den will compromise, for any political consideration or any
principles of men, the sacred word and authority of God !
(Cheers.) Woe, I sev, woe, woe to the guilty nation to which
it is a matter of indifference whether the sound and, faithful
word and worship of the living God twmaintaired, or supplant-
ed by ignorance and superstition in any quarter of the empire!
(Great cheering.) Before I enter on the subject, let me say to
my Roman catholic friends, if I have the pleasure of addressing
any here, that I can appeal to Him who searcheth the heart,
that I stand not arrayed with any party against them, but, to
the best of my judgment, 1 stand here, as I desire to stand
everywhere, as their honest and faithful friend. (Applause.)
They must expect from me fidelity; speaking in the sight of
God, I must be faithful to my duty ; for, " if I sought to please
men, I should not be the servant of Christ." But, in the dis-
charge of that duty, if I shnuld use uny expressions. which may
wound their feelings, I regret the painful necessity ; and, HI
•should wound them by any unnecessary expressions, I trust
that they will believe it is owing to the weakness of human na-
ture in.speaking hastily on such a snivel, andneit to any intros.
non of wounding the humblest or the most insignificant amongst
theme (Cheers.) It was not mv intention to have entered in-
. to the subject of the evidence of this book—Deus's Theology—
as haviiig been set up as the standard of fault by the Roman ~
catholic bishops and priests of Ireland. At was my it tention.
to have entered into the consideration of the principles con-
tained in it, for I have been obliged so frequently to appear be-
fore the public and to go through the detans of evidence on the
subject, that those who have read that evidence are almost se-
tut ated with its repetitilin. But, so long as men cottie forward
as they have done, on high authority, to deny, while tbey can-'
not disprove, the facts which have been so frequently detailed
—lt) lung as I am permitted to'speak, I shall feel it toy duty to
reiterate those proofs and to go through the facts and evidence
on this subject, till there shall not be a man in England who
is able to wad that can doubt the facts as they have been laid
before the nation. (Cheers.) Now, cue word, before I begin,
to the editors' of the public papers. An editor hiss moral and
literary, as well as a political, character to maintain: he is, of
course. perfectly free to choose what sphere be pleases tb move
in, use politician, but fie is not at liberty to move in what sphere
he pleases -,as a moralist. He may make what •eomments on
the princi,lies, the conduct, and authorities of men he likes; but I
do say lie has no right to deny facts that he can't disprove, and to
endeavour to mislead the public mind as to their existence.
(Immense cheering.) Now, I have seen throughout all the
papers, paragraph alter paragraph headed, calling this "a hum-
buy," a "mere imposture." Now, 1 stand.here this day, in stern
defiance of all the press in England. (Immense cheering fol-
lowed this announcement, and cries of " Hear.") I defy the
capability of any editor of England to go seriatim, step by. seep,
through the proofs that I shall lay before this meeting this
da-y, and deny the facts which these proofs shall establish.
I can assure them that, so far as I am concerned, the press, the
censure of the press, or of the world, is a matter of perfect .in-
difference to me. ( Hear, hear.) To the unitt that desires to
act conscientiously upon a sense of his duty and accountability
to his Gokit is a small matter for hint to be judged by his fel-
low worm*. (Hear, hear.) Without further preface, I shall
now call yogis attention to the circumstances and proofs which
are to he is before you. This is the book—Den's Theology—
( holding sen the volumes in his hand) of which you have. heard
so much. Now, observe there are two series of 'facts connected
with this book. The first series of facts refers to the first edi-
tion of this work, which was published 27 years ago, in the year
IM. The second series of facts refers to the second edition of
this heel:, which was published three years ago, in the year 1832.
Now, I shall begin with the series of proofs connected with the
first edition; and I would request your ea lin, patient, diligent
attention to all the facts and circumstances I shall law before
you. The first notice that we have in print or Den's Theology
is found in an advertisement of the Roman catholic bookseller,
Mr. Coyne, in his catalogue. which is bound up with the Priests'
Directory, for the year 1832. There are three facts stated by
-this bookseller, in the advertisement iu this catalogue, counect-

ed with the first edition of this book published lb the sear 4808.
It commences—" In the press, and will be pUblished in March,
1631: by It. Coyne, Dyne's Complete Body of Theology. At a
meeting of the Roman catholic prelates of Ireland, assembled in
Dublie, on the 14th day of-September, 1808, they unanimously
agreed t het Deus' Complete Body of Theology was the best book
on the subject that could be republished, as containing the most
eecure guittance.for such ecclesiastics as may, by 'reason of the
circumstances of this country, be deprived of the opportunity of
referring to public libraries or consultinx these who may be
placed in authority over them;; in consequence, an edition of
this work was ordered to be printed by the present publisher to
the number of 3)00 cepies."—Now, this bookseller states this
fact, that on a certain day, namely, the 11th Sept., 1808, all the
Irish Roman catholic' bishops and archbishops met together;
he states, on that day, so assembled, they passed a certain reso-
lutionew.hich I have read, respecting Dens' Pheology; he states
that, in consequence of this resolution, they gave him an order
to print 3000 copies, which he accordingly did. Now, this is a
statement of facts given by the bookseller, who has always pub-
lished for the Roman catholic bishops of Ireland, at least during
that time, and I believe for some years before, and who is ale°
the bookseller to the college of Maynooth. And, I will say of
Mr. Coyne, ehat he is a man of the most unblemished reputation,
and a's upright a man as any in the city of Dublin that I know of.
'Now, this evidence, this statement of facts, has never bean im-
peached by any authority. The editor of the Freeman's Journal
and the Weekly Register has denied it • but Dr. Murray, and not
m
one of the Roan catholic bishops of it;
have ever ventured
to stand forward and say that it is not the fact. (Cheers.) Dr.
Murray has stated that he never heard of the resolution till he saw
it in the advertisement, though he was himself made a bishop the
year after tue resolution was passed. This is very extraordinary,
if it be true ;'.for we shall see on another occasion that it was
ordered as the conference book for his own diocese and province.
If ha did not know. that it was so adopted before he was a bishop,
then it is rather of the. Dublin adoption of the Theology of Dens •
Wit Was first set up as a standard by all the bishops in 1808,
and Dr. Murray, on this principle, without any knowledge of
their approbation, adopted it on his own independent authority,.
as the best book for his conferences in 1825. Now we all know
that, in the evidence which is to be produced for the .establish-
meat of any fact—we know that collateral evidence is sometimes
evidence as strong as direct. evidence. Now I shall call your
attention to some collateralevidences on this subject to establish
the fact staiVd by. Mr. Coyne' in his advertisement. 'Phe,first to
which I shall direct your attention is found in the Ilistora.of the
Roman Catholic Association, published by Mr. \Vise, a mem-
ber of parliament—a gentleman with whose talews you are no
doubt acquainted. In the Appendix, No. VII., of this history,
we find that at a meeting of the Roman catholic prelates, as.
sembled in Dublin on the 25th February, 18W, the following
resolutions had been unanimously adopted :
Ist,—That it is the uedsttibted and exclusive right of Roman
Catholic bishops to discuss all matters appartainingeto the doc-
trines and discipline of the Roman catholic church.
2,l,—'Phat we, do hereby confirm and declare .our unaltered
adherence to the resolutions unanimously entered into at our
last general meeting on the 14th September, 1808-
Now you observe these resolutions of September, 1808, were
never in print. But this establishes the fact that the bishops
did inset on the very day mentioned by Mr. Coyne; and they
do hero declare that they confirm these resolutions. That is
merely a fact to establish the proof that they met on the day
named. Now in two months after this, namely, in November,
1808, there was a remarkable circumstance occurred at Kil-
kenny, which, as I detailed at the Hereford meeting, I shall not
now repeat at length. But. Dr. Lanigan, the then Bishop of
Ossory, violated a promise which he had made to some of his
own people, a committee of Roman catholic gentlemen in
Kilkenny, of whom Major Bryan was the head; and Major
Bryan was so offended at the violation of this promise that he
pufilished the fact in the papers of the day. The bishop replied
to the charge, and justified the violation of his promise: and he
justified this violation by five reasons, which appeared to Major
Bryan so exceedingly jesuitical that he stated, in another letter
which he published, that it was unnecessary to make any com-
ment on them. Now, in referring to the reasons whirl Dr.
Lanigan gives for violating_ his promise, we find that they are
the very reasons given in Dens' 1 heology fur the vinlati n of a
promise, and literally translated from Dens. (Cheers.) So
that we have here a bishop violating a promise, and justifying
that violation from the standard of theology', which at the time
was not known. But it now appears to have been adopted two
months before as the standard of the Roman catholic priesthood
be, all the bishops of 'rebind. Now the next collateral proof to
which I shall refer you is this; Mr. Woods, the compiler of the
Priests' Directory, wrote a leiter to the editor of a Hereford
paper, purporting to excuse himself for not having come to the
Hereford meeting. in this letter he states a very remarkable
fact concerning Dens"Pheology. He says, " Shortly after Mr.
Coyue's first edition of Dens made its appearance, it was pro-
posed, by a member of the -Board of Maynooth, that it should
be made a class book for the students; and what was the result
of this motion ? It was unanimously rejected. This fact can
be proved by the present respected
.president at Maynooth
College, and stands recorded in the minutes of the proceedings
of the hoard. If the approbation were general and unanimous
in September, 1808, is it not strange Elvst four archbishops
and seven bistitips, who were members of that board, should
reject this same work unanimously in February, 1809.''—
Now observe, Mr. Woods in the first plane makes a mistake
respecting the dates, which is very important. Here he says,
" shortly after Mr. Coy se's first edition of Dens made its ap-
pearance. it was proposed by a member of the Board of May-
Booth, that it should be made a class-book for the studeete•"
and he tells.us this pi:Tose' was unanimously rejected in Feb.l
1809. Now, I believe all booksellers will bear me out in My
assertions, when 1 say that a book in seven volumes, of which
3,000 copies were °meted in Sept. 1808, nimbi not be publiehed
in Feb. 1809. And what appears from this? that this book,
which was at that time Imprinted, was froM such high authority
so well known, that one of the aleinhers of the Board of May-
nooth—some honest simpleton or other—proposes that it ehoutil
he adopted as a class-book for that college. But the archbishdps
and bishops unanimously rejected that motion : it was an ad-
mirable book for the direction of the priests, but a dangerous
book for public inspection as a class-book to the College of
Mavnooth.—( immense cheering.) Therefore, so far from ',es-
tablishing that the bishops did not oppruvo of it in 1808, it ra-
ther appears from this fact that the book must have been west
highly approved of by them, read pesfeetly knowwto lenenneor it.
never would have been proposed" by any member of the Board
that it should be adopted to supersede belahogue and Reilly,
which were, and continue to be, the class-books of that crnlege;
and as to their rejecting it, what does that prove, when we see
now the effsrts That they make to evade, deny, and get rid of it,
when it is irrefragably established to have been adopted es the
conference Look for the whole province of leeinsier ?---(Cheeis.)
Now Dens went to sleep for a long time. We hear nothing of
Dens, and we can trace nothing of Dens for 17 years after this.
But in 17 years after this, namely, in the year 182,5, we find
Dens' Phei,logy adopted by Dr. Murray as the conference book
for the diocesan conferences of Dublin. Here are the questious
of conference for the diocese of Dublin in the years 1825, 26
and 28, and we flint this command at the end of each of these
conferences. " The aforesaid questions, and in their order,
shall be discussed in the conferences of the city of Dublin, in
the alternate mouths, from the month of May 1825. to March
1826 inclusive, signed 1). Multeer, A.D., &c." These ques-
tions of conference, objets are printed, that they may be in pos-
session of many individuals. have been authenticated by the
very directions sent out by Dr. Murray and his priests to Mr.
O'Connell, and lodged by him in evidence before the Orange
Committee in ,London, and they arc taken exactly front
Dens"Pheology. not indeed in regular successive order as
those since 1831, but taken up and down from different
treatises. I have myself authenticated them and have
stated these facts to Dr. Murray in a published letter, and in
speeches which have never been denied, so that in seventeen
years after Coyne wakes this statement, concerning Dens' The-
ology we have this book made the conference hook for the
clergy of the diocese of Dublin in the same year, be it remem-
bered, that Dr. Murray gave in his evidence to the Houses of
Parliament that Verron and Holden were the standards of the
Roman cathhlic church, while he was himself adopting in has;
diocesan conferences the standard of Dens' Theology, Now, I
say this is a collateral proof that Coyne received the (sides to
publish the hooka and did publish the books; for Dr. Murray
must have known these books existed and were in possession of
all the clergy in his diocese, or he could not have made that
book a book of questions for the conference of his diocese.
Now another proof, another collateral evidence of the truth
of Coyne's statement occurs in this, that afterwards—and
five years after—Dr. Murray and the three bishops of the
province of ',chaster made it a conference book for the
whole province; therefore, I sea', it must have existed in
the province, it must have been circulated through the province
in the possession of tlitclergy, and the bishops must have con-
sidered it to be so, or they could not have made it a conference
book. Now these are so matey collateral proofs of the truth of
Mr. Coyne's statement which have never been denied. Now,
consider some more points, consider that all these proofs, direct
and collateral. are from the very best friends—the very best
supporters of the Roman catholic church. (Hear.) Consider
Mi. Coy ne's direct assertion of the fact that three thousand
copies were commanded to be printed—that is, copies for ell the
ecclesiastics in Ireland—for the number is calculated -to be
three thousand. Now, we know very well—every bookseller
knows—that if an experiment was to be made in the sale of a
book, that two hundred and fifty, or five hundred, or seven
hundred and fifty, or at ties very utniost a thousand copies would
lie too much to Make au experiment on the public taste for even
theologians. Bet here was aneommand to print three thousand
copies, so that there could have been nn experiment, the sale
must have been secured by command of the bishops, or it is im-
possible Mr. Coyne could ever have expended such a-coin as he
was obliged to expend in the publication of that book,' (Cheers.)
Now, you will observe that this collateral evidencels wholly un-
intentional. Mr.. Wyn never thought of-corrohoratinn by his
appendix the statement of Mr. Coyne as to the mseembling of
the bishops on this very Ilan. The bishop never imagined by
toss rehsrence to their resolution of the 14th September, 1808,
in their resolutions of the 25th of February, 1810, that they were
corisiboratiug the statement of Mr, Coyne us to Dens' The-
ology. (Hear, hear.) Dr. Lanigan. never thotight that his
rewrote- for the violation of a promitse would be traced to the
very hook that he analhis brother bishops had adopted as a
standard two months before. Mr. Woods never intended by
his qmitanon from the minutes of Alavnooth to prove the very
opposite of what he intended to establish, and to throw light on
tne part that he had endeavoured to disprove. Dr. Murray
conference ',mac of his diocese in 1825, that he was proving,
never dreamt when he was appointing Dens' Theology for tile
and
that his questions would be brought to light to prove that this
book was set up by his brother bishops seventeen tears before
as the standard fur the clergy. Mr Woods, when he was writing
:the beading of the provincial conferences in 1831, never thought
that he was proving the same troth and establishing, by addi-
tional evidence, the statement of Coyne. Di.. Murray and the
three provincial bishops were also entirely innocent of the in-
tention of corroborating this statement by their appointment of
the book for the conferences twenty-three %ears after. For,
observe, these arc the conference questions fits /831, before the
'second edition of Dens' was published on the strength oft he edi-
tion which had been already published in obedience to the com-
mands of all the biainips in 1808. Now I say wen Mr. Woods
wrote that heading in the year 1831, and published these ques-
tions of conterenee, he very little thought that they would be
brought out before this meeting in 1835. (Hear.) Dr:Mutray.
-
and the three provincial bishops, when they made that confer-
ence book for -their province. had very little idea the doe' wouldcome where the whole questions. of conference shOUld "be pro-
duced against therm Now this evidence, unintentionally
from the insist devoted friends of the Itoinnn catholic church,
corroborates the statement of Mr. Coyne beyond the possibility
of doubt. Now consider, not only the persons from whom this
evidence comes, but consider the persons before whem this book
came, el which you have heard so much. It is now necessary
to explain the nature of this hawk as a directory of the Roman
y
catholic priests. It is a bunk in whirl, are their offices, which
they tire obliged to read every day the earn-that is, portions
of the breviary and of the scriptures are marked here for them.
And be it observed, they are marked on cypher, so that no one
can understand their meaning except a priest, arid until the di-
rectories were brought out this year they were probably never
in the bands of any ores but a Roman catholic priest, because
no one could. undesstend them. To this directors' Mr. Coyne's
catalogue is annexed. Now consider before whom this would
come? It comes before every Boman catholic bishop and
priest in Ireland, for they are obliged to have this book' in their
undtir the penalty of mortal sin, before the first of Janii-
ary. and to have it in their hands every day until December; so
that this book came before all the hierarchy and priesthood of
Ireland. Now consider how lung this same advertisement is

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repeated ?n 18.33,34 end 35 ; and these facts their bishops have
never denied, nor have they bean denied by any one else tram
the time they were brought out until now. This corroborates
the truth of Coyne's statement as to Dens"rheology. (Cheers.)
Now there are two other statements on the subject which 1 shall
not much insist on, because they cannot be considered as coin-
lug trout persons friendly to 'them. All these came fimn friends,
and there can be no question on their part as to their truth. In
addition to this evidence, Or. Notate a Roman catholic priest,
who has left the church of Rome and become a member of the
church of Flu,gland, states that this book, though not used as a
class bunk, was in the college of Maynooth. Mr. Croly says in
ipostscript to his second pamphlet, "that the Theology of Peter
Dane, which is now before the world, is a standard work of Irish
Roman catholic orthodoxy, and of Roman catholic orthodoxy
universally. It was published in Ireland and on the Continent in
the customary way, peimissu euperioritm, with the full sanction
and approbatien of episcopal authority. No exception was ever
taken to it in whole or in part. It was printed Ireland ex-
pressly for the use of the Irish catholic priests, to be their guide
in casuistry and speculation. In the library of Dr. Murphy's
seminary in Cork there were fifty or sixty copies of it for the
use of the seminary and the diocesan clergy. It should be re-
marked here that Dens is not singular in his doctrine respect-
ing heretics. Every Roman catholic theologian, who has
written on the same subject coincides with Dens. This
'natter shall be handled in my next publication." (Hear.)
Here is the evidence of Mr. Croly. Be it remembered that he
is a priest in Cork. He states this fact,—that fifty or sixty
copies of this book were in the bishop's library. Now, these
ate the facts, direet and collateral, that prove Mr. Coyne's
statement respecting Dens in 1808. We How pass to the next
edition of Dens, which was published in 1832 : and I would en-
treat your attentiou to the direct and collateral evidence to be
adduced on this subject. We -have, also, here a direct state-
meat of the bookseller, " that the work is now very rare and
scarcely to be Met with." This is in the year 1832 Though
he had published 30(YJ copies iu 1808; " the work is very rat e
and scarcely to be met with, and, inasmuch as his grace Dr.
-Murray. Dr. Doyle, Dr. Keating, and Dr. Kinsella have made
it the conference book for the clergy of the province of Leins-
ter, the publisher, as well to obviate the difficulty experienced
by them in procuring the work as also to advance the cause of
religion and Morality in 'the other parts of the Irish church, is
induced to reprint a limited number of copies." " An addi-
tional volume, which is now, fdr the first time, annexed to the
present edition, contains encyclical letters of the sovereign
pontiffs &c., bearing on the subjects contained in the work, as
also the Constitutions of Benedict XIV, in which he has de-
finded questions formerly controverted among divines, and
wherein he has, decided subjects principally regarding moral
theology.—The supplementary triaiter-übove referred to, has
been added with the sanction anti approbation of his Grace the
Most Rev. Dr. Murray." Now, observe; he States that these
four bishops had instehs it the coufereuce boei of the cleisti,‘ of
the whole proVinee. Ho states that these bistiopsand the clergy
found a difficulty in procuring the work, anti in ordetto obviate
this difficulty he says that he-rrtiblislies a second edition, in or-
der to advance the cause-tif ieligion and morality in the other
parts of Ireland. And I firmly believe that Mr. Coyne made
that statement in the honest integrity of his heart; that he did
believe that that book which had been so eulogised by his
bishop must be a book calculated to advance the cause of reli-
gion and morality; and for this cause he says he printed a
limited number of espies, but that number (I have it from Mr.
Coyne's own lips) was 3,000. Now, he makes another state-
ment. In 1808 there were only seven volumes of the books
printed; in 1832, there were eight volumes printed.' Now,
mark what he states: an additional volume is now for the first
time published, and that volume contains the constitutions of
Benedict XIV, in which he has " defined questions formerly
controverted among divines ;" he save that it also contains the
whole of the epitome of the canonical' and thoral doctrine of Be-
nedict XIV, carefully selected from his bulls and constitutions.
Then, he says, the supplementary volume referred to, viz. this
Bth volume, has received the sanction of his grace the most Rev.
Dr. Murray. This is Mr. Coyne's statement. (Hear.) Now
consider what collateral proofs we have to establish this direct
statement of the bookseller: we have first the book in which the
statement is made. This is, as I stated before, the Priests' Di-
rectory. Now do you believe it possible, that a man could state
to a body of clergy in a whole province, that their bishops had
made a certain book—a conference book for them, it he had not
done so? (Hear.) Would it be possible for a man living in
the metropolis under the very sanction of the archbishop of the
province, whore clergy were coming every day into his shop—
would it be possible that he could make a statement to them
that they were to take their conference from a certain book if it
was not so? I say the advertisement of the fact by the booksel-
ler—and the advertisement alone—would be conclusive proof to
a man of common sense. But consider the manner in-which this
is stated :—ha adds in the advertisment of 1832.—" Clergymen
who may feel disposed to possess the work are requested to
send their names to the publisher, or to the following booksel-
lers.' He then gives a list of booksellers. Observe now to
whom it was addressed; Clergymen, and these clergymen were
directed to booksellers in seventeen cities and towns of every
province of Ireland, Ulster, Munster, Connaught, and Leinster.
(Cheers.) Now we go to authenticate the fact of his' statement
from the internal evidence of the book itself. He says that the
eighth volume for the first time is now annexed to the first edi-
tion "bearing on the subjects contained in the work." lie-
mark that the eighth volume " bears on the subjects contained
in the work." I open the eighth volume. I find in this eighth
volume ninety-three references which I have carefully counted
over, ninety-five references of the different constitutions, bulls,
and letters of the pope. (When the pope speaks ex cathedra
hitedecitions are of infallible authority in the Church of tome)
I Lind ninety-three references to all the preceding volumes of
Peter Dens"rheotogy. It proves this fact, that the work has
been carefully studied by the most able Roman catholic divines,
and that the infallible authorities of the Roman catholic pon-
tiffs have been collected and condensed in this volume for the
purpose of giving not only authenticity but infallible authenti-
city to the doctrines contained in Dens. (Cheers.) Then again,
I open the volumes of Peter Deus, and find on the title-page of
every single one of the preceding volumes this advertisement.
—Theologia moralis et dogmatics re.verentli et erutlitissimi Do-
'mini Petri Dens, Editio nova et absolutissirna.—mark, most ab-
solute--most authoritative why ? The reason is given
because. established by the infallible authoßity contained
iu the eighth. volutne—Liimoietiirinief—Quippe cai none primum
accetinut 14.:pitorne ex operihus lienedicti XIV. .necoon
et varho suinmoruni Poutificum vein ejus-
dent Poutificis Constitutioues Literte Encyclicce, &c. The
book is headed on the title-page of every single one of the
volumes as " most absolute" and " most conclusive," because
now, for the first time, are added to it the extracts from the
work of Peter Dens, and also of various popes. These infaili-
bin records give it authority, (loud cheering, and cries of "One
cheer morel") and be it remembered that this eighth volume is
declared by Coyne to be added under the sanction and approba-
tion of Dr. Murray; and be it also remembered that Mr.
Woods, Dr. Murray's own secretary, has not only acknow-
ledged, but asserted the same fact. We now come to other and
direct evidence calcruated to establish beyond all doubt the
truth of Covne's statement. Here is the dedication to Dr.
Murray, of which you have heard so much, and which is not to
be found in all the copies :—" Reverendissimo, in Deo Patri,
etc Domino, D. Danieli Murray. * * * Hanc secundam
Erlitionem Theologies P. Dens Ejus cum approhatione sus-
ceptam," &c. &c. Dr. Murray has stated in one of his own
letters that the dedication stands very conspicuous in his own
copy; and is it to be supposed that the doctor would allow that
dedication to stand in his awn copy, declaring that the thing
was under his own approbation, iit were not so. (Hear.)
Now we have an addition to ibis, if we wanted any snore infal-
lible proofs. (Laughter.) We have infallible proofs enough
here of the four dioceses (4'32, '33, '3l, and '35; here they are.
In these five directories we have the questions of conferente
regularly marked out, beginning in the first volume of Peter
Dens, page 144, and regularly continued in regular successive
order, chapter after chapter, page after page, through the first
volume, second volume, and to the middle volume of Peter
Dens's Theology, which these gentlemen have had for their
conference all these years. We have the successive pages of
Dens's Theology and the heading of the chapters correspond-
ing to the questions, so that there cannot be the slightest sha-
dow of doubt to any man who can read Latin. He reads the
questions and lie reads the chapters in Dens, which are answers
to those questions. Now I just simply propose this one ques-
tion; I piopose it to this auditory-1 propose it to the gentlemen
of the press of whom I have spoken—if this be no evidence of
a fact, 1 should be glad to know what is? (Loud cheering.) I
shoul.l be glad if any gentleman of literary distinction—any
of the editors of the English press-1 should be glad if they
would produce any one fact is history or in the present day
more clear, more conclusive, more utterly unanswerable than
this is. (Cheers.) As to the miserable pretence that, though
the questions were taken from Peter Dens, the answers were
out, 1 shall beg leave to ask any child in this assembly, if there'
be any here, if they ever got questions from Gough which they
were obliged to answer front \roster. I would ask any senior wrang-
lers, if each there be here, if they were ever asked questions from
Newton's Principle, which they were to answer from La Place.
(Laughter.) If any gentleman can point out any such course
of iustructive questious in theology, in science, in any depart-
ment of literature, that are to he given from one hook and to be
answered from another book, why then we shall say there is
certainly another absurdity in the world equal to the one I have
stated. (Loud cheering and laughter.) Now, the next point
I would submit to the meeting is this, that in the last place, in
the way of proof, every fair opportunity that could be afforded
has been afforded to those persons who consider their principles
impugned by those statements of comiug forward to meet them.
The ad vertisenseu t which was signed by twenty of the Irish
clergy, of whom I myself was the most insignificant—signed by
the Dean-of Sta Patrick's; the Dean of Clogbert . the Dean of
Ardagh, and a great many other clergymen—l say that ether-
tisement was exhibited for the special purpose of giving notice
to the Roman Catholic bishops In general, and to Dr. Murray,
Roman Catholic Bishop of Dublin, in particular, that they
might avail themselves of the opportunity of attending that.
meeting. Now, a number of opportunities 'have been afforded
to them, but as Dr. Murray, in one of his letters addressed to
some gentleman in Worcester, stated that his calumniators, as
he was pleased to call us; went to a distance, • I felt it my duty
to write a letter to Dr. Murray, in which i recapitulated the op-
portunities he had had of meeting the filets and contradicting'
them if he could, and I felt it my duty to give him another op-
portnnity. You will not, I hope, consider it a piece of impro-
per egotism if 1 submit this letter, as containing a condensed
view of those opportunities, to your consideration. (Cheers.)
Indeed I pledged myself to do so. As I am suffering at pre-
sent, and indeed almost always tinder a weakness of the throat,
I trust I need not offer any apology to this meeting, if they wish
lermit me to request my rev. brother, Mr. 11PNeill; to read the
etter. (Imineuse cheerin, which coutinned suns time.)
The Rev. Houk IVI'NEILL then came forFard and said, that he very
gladly responded to the call of his rev. friend. He was willing.to give
- him any assistance in his power, by reading some of the document:l -y
evidence that he wished to lay before the meeting, (Cheers.) Before,
however, he read the letter put into his hands, he hoped he might be
permitted to occupy a few minutes of tbei r valuable time in stating his
reasons for cordially taking a part in the proceedings of the day.—
Should this,however, be attended with any inconvenient interruption
to the friend's statements. he would gladly postpone it, or tvaive the
privilege altogether. Mr. M`Ghets having Leggett the rev. gentleman
to proceed, he continued—that in the presence of the living God, end
before the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quilt and the dead
at his appearing in his kingdom, and surrounded by this vast con-
course of his fellow countrvm..n, he disclaimed fromlds soul all par.
tieipation in the motives which had been attributed to them in hold-
ing the present and similar meetings. (Cheers.) He disclaimed all
intention of making such occasions subservient to the upholding and
perpetuating abuses in the Established Church. Ile hated abuses,
which were Droved to he such. He protested against them, and la-
boured for their removal as cordially and as honestly as any reformer
in England. (Cheers.) But he also hated measures, by whomsoever
introducud, which, without liming at any reform of any abuse, go at
one fell swoop to do away with the principle of an established church
altogether. (Hear.) He would not allow himself to enlarge upon
this topic, as he had unfeignedly a desire to he very brief. His rea-
so-is, then, for mostgladly co-operating in the proceedings connected
with the meetiwrs were—first, because he behoved that his fellow
countrymen required information upon the subject before them; se-
condly, he believed that they were desirous ofreceivtng that informa-
tion ; and thirdly. because he knew there was valuable information to
be given. They- hail valet:hie historical information to communicate
upon one subject, concerning which there existed a wide-spread decep-
tion. It is reiterated with the utmost confidence. and gloried in with
the highest triumph on one sides .nd it was heedlessly and habitually as-
sented to without examination on the other, that the Roman Catholic
persuasitin of christianitv was the primitive relhion, the only religion
in 'Europe for the first fifteen centuries of tl.e eliristian era. Nothing
could he more opposed to the facts of the ease than that fallacious and
mischievous statement. (Rear.) Historical proofs abounded clear
and conclusive of the existence, in the South of Europe, and in our
0,911 favoured island, of primitive scriptural christiantty many cen-
turies before the peculiarities of the papacy, as it is now exhibited,
were ever heard of. (Cheers.) Christianity was known in thitain,

well known, and British bishopa were in attendance at the councils
of the christian church centuries before the bishop of Rome attempted
to usurp supremacy over his brother bisliops, or lay claim to hat in-
fallibility in dispensing with the obligations of the law of Gad which
identifies him with " Intel of sin." But they are asked, why not
keep quiet and allow protestants and Roman catholics to go on toge-
ther an peace—to live together, and to die together—that led to ano-
ther and the only additional reason which he should now assign for
taking part in proceedings like the present—they could not' with-
out treachery the most barbaroui to their fellow souls if their fellow
men live in hollow peace with a system which erects itself in hostility
against the perfection of the law of God, and against the perfectn of
our Saviour. (Hear.) The law of God is perfect, and any sin the
transgression of the law—the wages of sin, if any sin, is death. If a
man, saith the apostle lames, keep the whole.law, and yet offend in
one point, he is guilty of all. (Cheers.) Here, then, in the light of
the perfection of the law of our God, there is no pretext for the dis-
astrous judgment of the differences between mortal and moral sins,
without which differences the idol temple of the soul-destroying delu-
sion of popish confession, and absolution and penance crumbles to
dust. (Loud cheers,) The gospel of our Saviour is as perfect as the
law of our God. In that gospel, full, full as well as free forgiveness of
sin—of all sin by the bleod o. Jesus—is proclaimed to everyone that
tedieveth—there is no condemnation to Vim that are in Christ Jesus.
Here again is the light of the perfection of the gospel of our Re-
deemer, there Is nothing left for purgatory to tecomplidi ; and with-
out a purgatory held out in mingled hope and fear, the blasphemous
altar, the popish mass, with all the lying wonders of transubstantia-
tion, crumble Into dust. (Cheers.) Thus they show the Roman ca-
tholic system in direct hostility against the law and the gospel, and
how then could they wonder that the bible which contained both law
and gospel should be a suspected, and when practicable without ex-
posure, a prohibited book. (Hear.) Had they then any chance. Iveli•
they not bound to protest against such a system ? He would now
proceed to read his Rev. Friend's letter to Dr. 'Murray, dated Septem-
ber 24, 1e35. The Rev. Gentleman having read the letter, which has
already appeared in all the new.papers, proceeded to say, that they
owed their Rev. Brother (Mr. l)f•Ghee) a debt of sincere gratitude
for making these exposures, because the present policy of the
Roman catholic hierarchy is denial in England of what they are at the
the same time inculcating in Ireland. From the light of the protestant
community in Great Britain they would fain hide the hideous mon-
sters which they exhibited in gigantic apiensions before the terrified
and enslaved superstition of their deluded' follewers in Ireland. But
it would not do. It lived in their recollection that when Bishops
Latimer and Ridley were led oat to the stake at Oxford, when
the iron chains were girded about their middles! and fastened
an the ground by a staple, when the kindled faggot was brought
and laid down at Dr. Ridley's feet, Latimer addressed his bro-
ther martyr in these words—" Be of coot? comfort Master Ridley,
and. play the man, we shall light such a candle by God's :grace
this day in England as I trust shall never he put out,','--(Cheers.) The
confidence-of this suturing servant of God wee prophetic—there was
indeed a period when appearances were.against It. It seemed as if
supposed security and consequent stipineneis on one hand, and artful
and anti-christian liberalism on the other, had conspired to put an
extinguisher upon the. candle of scriptural protestantism. But that
period had passed away, the generosity of a nation which knew the
blessings of civil liberty, and knew not the evil genius of popery, con-
ferred upon the Roman Catholics such privileges as have led to
greSsion, provoking such a recoil as bids fair to rouse England from
her lethargy, to snuff our candle, abd while some personswere boast-
ing that the no-popery cry is dying away, ill dissembling their fears ;
but if they again come to life, behold it again brighter, and will go
forth on thu increased intriligenCe and education eta at protestant
people :no longer is a candle put as a brilliant gaa-lightliearn ing across
the length and breadth of our land ; and the voice whiCh goes forth
from the prodigious assembly of that day saying, "No-popery," shall
be responded to from city, after city, and town after town, each call
answering,. " Noliopery. ' Tho Rev, gentleman concluded amid
loud cheers.

Mr. Al•Gtiort then resumed and was received with continued
cheering.—l trust it does appear from the letter which my rev.
brnfiser has read that it has been my desire to act honestly by
Dr. ,hurray, and not to send forth any calumnies against him
which I was not to the best of my judgment ready to establish
in his presence. I can truly and conscientiously say that I have
not in any statement I have made ever perverted or exaggerated
one single fact that has come to my knowledge; but I have en-
deavoured in the plainest simplicity of truth to state to others
what plainly struck my own mind; and when we speak of the
cry of "no popery," I can truly say —what I would say to the
whole nation—what I would say to an individual Roman ca-
tholic--my friend, I say no popery, not to injure, but to serve
von—l would say no popery to your conscience—l would say no
popery to you, as I would say no trial, no pain, no sorrow, no
death to you—from which the hand of a friend and brother
could rescue_ you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. (Loud
cheering.) That is the only no popery cry that I desire to raise
to my Roman catholic friends—a cry of fidelity and a cry of
christian love. (Applause.) For there is no ground on which
a man can stand before God in exposing the errors of any reli-
gion but the ground on which the apostle stood, that is fidelity
to their God and love to their fellow-men. And if we are called
protestants the only' legitimate reason fur the name is, that we
protest against errors, but that we love the men. (Hear, hear.)
Now, to this letter Dr. Murray has made a reply in a letter
which, I suppose, you have all read, for it has been universally
published in every paper on every side. That letter addressed
to the protestants of Great Britain, it becomes my duty to offer a
few remarks on some of its passages which bear on the subject.
Beloved fellow Christians—My humble name has been tradcoed
before vou ; and what I feel more acutely, the divine :religion
which •I profess has been held up to your view in colours to
truly odious, that if they were a faithful representation of it, the ,
disgusting picture would justly merit your execration. You are
lovers of justice, you are slow to decide upon partial statements,
I rely, therefore, with confidence upon your patient attention,
while I dissipate the illusion which has been practised upon
you. This is a most important admission from Dr. Murray. He
states that if the representation made to you of his religion were
true, the disgusting pretence would justly merit your execra-
tion. Now let me ask whence have the colours beets derived
in which this picture has been drawn ? What is the attitude in
which it his,been placed so as to merit the execrations of the
public? The colours hare been derived from that source which
all the Irish bishops have declared to be the best for their priests
to take their instructions, and from which Dr. Murray and his
provincial bishops have dray n the conferences for their respec-
tive diocesses. Let it he remembered that the hardest expres-
sions that have been used of popery—the expressions which Dr.
Murray admits as execrable if they he true, are those which have
beeu read out before the public from his own book of confer-
. ences, Den's Theology. Dr. Murray does not venture to ari-
se er the charges contained in my letter, hot he replies by seve-
ral epithets, that are not very complimentary to myself ; he says
I am obscure, intemperate, bigoted, without reach of understand-
ing, narrow minded, cunning, only not deranged, and guilty of
falsehood. I should be extremely.sorry to justify practically
the Doctor's imputations, by any attempt to vindicate myself
from these charges, any further than they relate to the point in
quest inn. I dare say they may in many parts be well founded.
One who knows use far I,etter than Dr. Murray has given this
description of me, that my " heart is-ifeceitfoi above all things,
and desperately wicked"—this I can say and feel is true, and when
we are teeny acquainted with the evils of our own hearts, we
shall not hwvory solicitous to vindicate ouiselves from such im-
putations. But besides, I should be exceedingly sorry, as far as I
am personally concerned, to deprive the doctor of any benefit to
be derived from this line of argument ; but surely it ought to
strike him that the contemptibility of an accuser facilitates the
task of refutation, and if a charge coating., from such a poor eou-
temptible creature is not to be met and answered, how over-
whelming must be the accusation—how tremendous must be its
truth! (cheers) Indira is so formidable in such pony hands as
mine, what would it be in the bands of a man who possessed all
the qualities in which lam so lamentably deficient ? Alluding
to our invitation to the bishops to come to oar meeting in Lon-
don, he says, " Now pause and consider the nature of this pro-
ceeding. Were I or any number of catholic clergymen to'
summon the Bishop of London or any of his right rev. brethren
to suspend his pastoral duties, and to come over to Dublin or to
Cork, or to Galway, or at least to send some duly authorised per-
son to appear in his name to answer before a public meeting of
catholics some charge that would lie there exhibited against
him, would you not stare at the matchless effrontery which
could have suggested such a proposal ? Would you not rather
believe that the man who could venture to announce it
must be labouring under some strane mental aberration ?"
Now I will answer Dr. Murray's questions; he does not put a
case exactly parallel, but 1 will give him one that is so. Let
me suppose that the Archbishop of Dublin,-instead of Sitting
down with Dr. Murray, as I regret to say he does, to the great
dishonour of the protestant church, to mutilate the word of the
holy God (loud cheers) and to set up the principle that that sa-
cred word is not to be the standard for the education of the
country. (Loud cheers.) I say this, that Dr. Murray may
know, and that all men may know, that I contend against false
principles, not against men; for, whether amen be a protestant
archbishop or a catholic archbishop who pvesuirses to maintain
that the word of the living God is not to be held up as the autho-
ritative standard of man's instruction from the cradle to the
grave, I will lift my feeble voice against that principle. (Loud
cheers.) I say, then, if the Archbishop of Dublin were to run
from the extreme of superstition to that of persecution—if he
were to propose to his clergy in secret conferences the princi-
ples by which he would establish that they were to compel
Roman catholics by corporal punishments to become proles-
tauts, to confiscate their property, to drive them into prison or
exile, and to put them to death whenever it was expedient for
them to carry their principles into execution—(bear, bear,)—
if the Roman catholic clergy could discover this and could pro-
cure books and documents which proved the fact, and were to
call on the Archbishop of Dubliu, to stand forward and vindi-
cate himself born such a charge—if he were unable to do su and
were guilty he would deserve to be stript of his mitre for his
crime, and if he could vindicate himself and refused to do se he
would deserve to be stripped of it for his pusillanimity in not
wiping off such a stain from hinisdlf and his religion. (Loud
Cheers.) The doctor's charge of cunning is based on a sin-
gular foundation ; he says—" He had enough of that low cunning
which belongs to narrow minds to perceive that such a
summons, from such a quarter, and to such a place, would
be in any manner either personally or by deputy attended
to, and that he would therefore be enabled to advance
such statements us would suit his purpose without the risk of
centred iction. But, to make assurance doubly sure, it was ar-
ranged that no otie should--be allowed to open his lips fur the
purpose of coutroverting those statements without a written au-
thority-from the accused parties to plead in their defence, an
authority which ti well knew no. bishop would stoop to grant."
Here, I must remark, Dr. Murray makes a mistake. It is not
the fact that no person was allowed to open his lips without au-
thority from the bishops, for an exception was made, the most
favourable that could be to Roman ratholics—Mr. O'Connell
was specially invited by a letter in the public prints to come to
Bx.ter-hall'and apply all his legal ability to disprovo, if he was
able, the charges advanced against. his bishops, .(cheers,) bet
'IL. O'Connell did not venture to make the attempt ; he called
us mountebanks, indeed, in the. House of Corn mous, but did not
dare to meet us on the platform. (Loud cheers.) Now, then,
to what does Dr. Murray's charge of cunning ou this ground
amount ? A nian makers a public charge—selects the most
public place in the empire—invites the accused party to answer
if he pleases—calls on the most able champion of his cause to
come forward if he can in bis. defence, and this is ail sheer
cunning 1.
—why ? I knew the bishops would nut stoop to vin-
dicate themselves—that is, I was so cunning I calculated on the
dignity of Dr. Murray! ! and the diffidence of Mr. O'Connell!.!'!
(Immense cheering.) How far my sagecitv was conspicuous in
calculating on the diffidence of Mr. O'Connell I am sure it is un-
necessary to point out to this meeting--(cheers)—but it may not
be self-evident its my calculation on the dignity of Dr. Murray.
Let as see bow far I might have been justified in my calcula-
tion. Dr. Murray could not stoop to vindicate himself either
in person or by deputy in Exeter Hari, but h. stooped to write
to Lord Melbourne to say he had not made this a cenference
book, while his own sccretatv proved him to have done so. He
stooped to abjure to him, Gy. quoting his oath, the principles
which he has sworn to maintain to the latest hour of his exist-
ence. He stooped to write to some unknown gentleman in
Worcester, complaining that his calutnniatora went to a dis-
tance, but he _would not stoop to meet them at home. Ile
stooped to write to the editor of Barrow's (i'orcester Joutnal. He
stooped to write to Mr. James, at Hereford. He has stooped
in reply to the distinct and specific charges which you have
heard in my letter to write this address to the protestants of the
enkpire, and to apply vituperative language to Mr. O'Sullivan
and to use without answering or even venturing to notice one
single charge from beginning to CR. of it all! NoW reality I did
not presunie to calculate tar the extent of Dr. Murray'. humility;
but had I ventured to do so, I could never have anticipated such
a total prostration of all episcopal dignity, and such a remark-
able stretch of episcopal condescension. (Inithensv cheariug.)
. But though the doctor does not answer these charges, Ire breaks
up souse now ground for himself; he gives a description of the
.first meeting at Exeter-hall. He seys :--" Well, the important
day arrived when the mighty disclosure was to be made, the
workings of popery were to lie revealed, the hidden things of
darkness were to be brought to light; the dangers which hung
over the protestant religion were to be put in full relief; the
public expectation was wound up to the highest pitch ; in sheet,
the mountain was in labour,—and lo! the ridicules ;sus that
made its appearance was the hitherto concealed work of Peter
Dens—a work. of popish intolerance which was exhibited to the
wondering audience as a grand discovery just then provideu-

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tially tfrought light." Really ails is a singular descri
fir Muritay. What! Peter Dens a ridiculous mos! (Chr` r
The guide of the Roman Catholic priests of-Ireland set "P;;
all their bishops a ridicitlos mus ! (Loud cheers and lauglt„..
The author of the questions of conference for all itre prov".,
of Leinster for five years a ridiculos inns ! (Continued chel,
Then what a formidable animal it must be; Dr. Murray t%.'
the priests were afraid to go near it. (Laughter.) Mr. o'l,
nell would not venture to Exeter-hall, where it was to be
bited. (Continued latighter.) Then, what a curious a°o72
too—Loudon was not content withoat having it exhibited 4,;;,
cond time—Worcester insisted on seeing It—Hereford cal.'t,
for it—Glasgow demanded it—Edinburgh mast get a sight 0111,,
Birmingham is crying nut for it—and though last. not least
verpool must be favoured with a view. (Cheers.) here
dies and gentlemen, (holding up Dens; this was received *a'j,
great cheers.) You have beard of a simile "as quiet d p
mouse," and can assure you Peter Dons was never hear to
squeak for twenty-seven years in Ireland, though he was
rung through every corner of the land. (Loud laughter.) ,n 4,
then when he did come out of his hole, and was brouglittu,,'
land, to-be-sure what a noise he did make! (Cheers.) It'
tpa
not as if the mountain Wrought forth the mouse, but as 141
mouse brought forth the mountain ; (loud cheers) and borers
think the doctor made a mistake in his simile—it be must 1:1-la
a mountain in it. I should rather say it was not to be fuu°,jor
the palturition of the mountain of AEsop, but in the perfor6'o
of the mountain of (Eolus, where the poet represents the st°r
rushing out when the spear had perforated its side.
" Veuti velut'aginine facto-,
(here the rev. speaker, who was speaking rather rapidly*
ped short, and said to Mr. M`Neill, who was next him,
is the next ?" the effect produced on the auditory %co
electric, when Mr. M'Neill bowed in reply, and they we", ke
fur a few moments convulsed with laughter, in which the 61446,
joined, but immediately be recollected the passage, and
he could he heard proceeded,)
Qua data porta, ruunt et terras turbine perllapt ;
Una Eurusque; Notusque ; ruunt, Creber_que prore"l
Africus, et vastos volvuut ad littura &taus. ' .
Pardon me, my friends, for a momentary digression eb
n101.3,br91
deep solemnity of my subject. I can truly say that ODY
feels-anything but levity on the occasion, and that I feel it
less adapted to excite tatighter than tears. Dr..l.lurraYse
scription suggested three passing observations. I bug_uili
wished to put off with a figure iu rhetoric what he felt 4g

not meet tiith reasoning, iind,l,erliaps;•fie thought that

Ridicule!, aeri
Forting et menus usegnsueptereinque secat tees tyi
The charge of falsehood' which Dr. Murray brings aga'°;ci
involves some points connected with the subject, which
~0!
necessary to notice, he'says, ""But here I have a heavy she
to bring against our aeuusers, and I bring it with unshil'ef,
pain. After attempting most unjusti#ehly to bind us to ‘s,
opinions of Dena they have wilfully- inisteted the OOP";
that author himself, and attributed to him without a shade o,
truth, a doctrine from which his soul would revolt with h4es
a doctrine so detestable as to lead to the assassination 01
who differ from us iu religious opinions. Now this is P,os
uumixed fabrication. Search his books from beginning riot,
and you will no where find a trace of this abominable doe'"N",e
Ho advocates, it is true, together with many •ther writernt
protestant and catholic, the justice of penal laws agairl'eee
public expression of heretical opinions. But he has not w`,", fire
one line to countenance the atrocius opinion that it ionic-
lawful for any individual either to warder or in any nle-ree
injure another, under the pretence that he professes a W,
creed. Yet this is the false ground on which a tour 0! "or
mation commences." Now, in reply to this, I say that I °lcor
said, nor, I believe, did any one who spoke on the subject fee
say that Dens laid down the principles that individuals weier
assassinate those who differed from them in religion. AnYeo;
report or statement must be misrepresentation or iniscoocel"ses
but I did say and repeat that he makes it and
pmtprinciple of the church of Rome to murder by her j taiUAtt:reteli
when she can, those who iefuse to submit to her; 1".,,k0
thatprineiple is as abhorrent from the christian faith-ss
rtir
dual assassination. I care not whether the principle is °tell
into effect by the bullet of an assassin against his victim, j 641
the church in a wholesale massacre of St. Bartholomew °,'
Dr. Murray again says, that the book of Dens is in no so
the word a standard of catholic belief has been ahead,' Les
so fully that any argument en the subjeet would be suPterTeie:
Indeed that author himself never contemplated such a"' etc.,
tiers for his book. Whenever he discusses on questions
yttut
are not of faith (and the greater part of his work o• 0 1,,,er1•
such questions) he generally refers to the conflicting 01°We'
and then assigns his reasons for inclining to the one sille ter
than the other. Those reasons which may seem to 11°:s
cogent, may, and often do aispear to others to have oP, ,;
whatever. Of this description is his opinion with regal" ~(4,*
punishments of the crime of heresy, which the eatboht'bee;
Ireland have for many years disavowed. His opini°°' tide°
fore, in this respect is so 'far from being a standard of °hustler
that it is directly the reverse of what is. taught and die"
amongst the catholics of Ireland." Now, it is here the" het
portant to mark the principle which Dr. Murray prefeolee
to establish. The question is whether the doctrines of the 111.eic'e
ments of heresy are, as DI. Murray here asserts, mere cal-J'e!o
opinions, or whether they are established on the
laws which Dr. Murray is sworn to observe. Now, 1 flag, els'
Dr. Murray's assertion respecting Dens. I assert that hi!: ate
ciples on this subject are not casuistical but that thyei
established on laws which Dr. Murray has sworn to °
infallible, and now let us bring this to the proof. flereisee te'
Dr. Murray's questions of his conference for 183'2 „'t
f eft°
believers to be compelled to join themselves to the bese'lberh.
faithful?" Now what is the answer to this ques!iou
and on what authority is it established? To the que',„t
"Baptised infidels, as het etics and apostates ate wont
also baptised scitisrnatics can be compelled even by 0.,L
punishments to return to the catholic faith and the ustilY ',ties;
church. The- reaeon is, that they by baptism are made suosii
of the church, and so the church has jurisdiction over them,,
the power of compelling them by the appointed means t°
ence., and to fulfil the obligations connected in their bgied
This ie also true in the case of those who have been shpt" bit their infancy, or who, compelled through fear or any ueliee
have received baptism." Here is the principle—now e
the authority Mark it. As the council of Trent teacties;ol,3
7. can. 14. and the council of Toledo 4th, can. 55. l*e
have here the erniricil of Trent. Nov Leefee ist the COt:ree
Trent, which I hold iu my haw], to the caucus here sPeehie:
Fourth canon-e" !f any man shall say that the baptisto;ol
is given even by heretics in the name of the Father, Snot':
Holy Ghost, with the intention of doing what the ehur"eigb!'4'
is not true baptism ;—let hint be damned." Agates
canon—" If any one shall say thet baptised persons es'fraet,l"
from all the precepts of the holy church, which are rate' Of°
ten or handed down, so that they are nut bound to obserlifee
unless they choose to submit of their own accord te-let test I's
damned Fourteenth Canon.—" I f any one shall sal %roe,
tle children of this kind having been baptized when thket,siri
up are to be asked whether they choose to ratify what teisetii
fathers and godmothers promised in their name when t!'
baptized, anti when they answer that they do tint chusei'er'r
they are, to be left to their own will, nor to be eemeelle '.eiPf
time, kaseiny punishment to a christian life unless to hetiiiits,i,
red fro receiving the Eucharist and ether sacramentsofsl's
repent ;—let him be damned. We have now here thes,%-feft„.
Isle canons, referred to by Dens as the authority for 1" -tee
ci
cution. Let us now see how Dr. Murray is bound 1° r
servance of these canons. For this purpose I tutu ;tics;,l
pages of this council till I come to the creed of Pope .ileraih „
Dr. Murray and Dr.Deyle were examinee as to the sta,,e
their faith before the huusee of parliament, gave in f
creed of Pope Pius IV., and it is the universal stimmarY feetuf!
faith of all Roman catholic's. We find in this creed tilesl/1,
ing woes :—" All other things delivered, defined, and
p eti
in the sacred canons, and the general councils and esP:siseiro!-e
the holy Council of Trent I indubitably receive aod.rsebs
and at the same time all things contrary. Yank heres'ecetece
soever condemned, rejected, and anathernatized by the 0.5151,
I also condemn, reject, and anathematise." We inteeil3oool,
the principles of Dens for compelling us by corPera!,f Ore
went to return to the faith established on the autlioritY-etbi
infallible canons—we have Dr. Murray bound by au ;00‘e
the very creed in which he has himself delivered as the 'hese
of his faith to observe those,ganons—to anathematise s est'e
the church apathematises—and yet he gravely tells thelot„'4
tents of the empire, who, he expects, are entirely irrlbetetl'oi
these facts, that Dens's doctrine on the persecutiouw
are mere casuistical opinions and that he himself abjw.roei
altogether! (Cheers.) If we take another question Is jeis!',.,
Murray's conferences, "which are the penalties decree!'erso;,,
heretic's?" and when we read in Deus, that they are !',"irtl're
ipso Jure, and to be deprived of irk istian burial, that the'eg' sifel
rat goads ewe to be confiscated; thet they are to be
with other punishments, namely, exile, imprisoOP‘vie (Is
death; are these casuistical opinions of Dens? cfres,
them corroborated by the scripture Deuterononlesei,,,vre
12th verse, in which it is appointed that "He who "
1
to obey the priest shall be put to death;" which passage, fourin the Ihntee Bible, " that surely God has not done les'tbeiee.
church guides of the 'Cow Testament than be did 01:601,s',
the old." We find these penalties against heretics )(Is
by the decree of the council of Constance, which also'
ray has sworn to obey as infallible, and vet he gravelfnietic,
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pUblic that Dens' opinion on the subject' is merele caiest'le
and that he himself abjures the principle ef perseetitiq „roe h,
Let us now turn to other documents, which he will 1n ;NO.,
to call casuistical, and whose authority he will not vesecTj
deny. In his examination before the comniens he laityrei
that the bull "Unigenitus" was in force in Ireland.
he has published in that eighth volume which we baleees?;e
seen under his sanction and apptobation. This hull "of
one hundred and one propositions of Quosuel, nntol .f
are the fundamental principles of the protestant fail:lito.e ;Le
I may mention one, namely, the reacting of she seoP.'„,
all." In this bull we find the following sentimeetss One
mending all the faithful in Christ, of both sexes, that the /owe;
P
not presume to think, teach, or preach. of these said roe ,
contrary to things contained in this our said c ss!
that whpsoever ellen tench, defenci, or publish, them ote, orgy
them, jointly or severally, or shall presume to dislic, st'S`e
treat of them even in disputation, intblicly or priseteecjelesit;el
perchaece by impugning them he shall he subject t° es jots 'lO,
cal censures and other punishments decreed hy,,t",esiitc:,o
facto against those perpetrating offences. „ eVe 1(1
the very next page e have follow?ug peesage cies i
ti"
wand; moreover, the venerable brothels, the ()atrial' en°
oft
bishops, and bishops, ain't other ordinaries of eilaeee'
inquisitors of heretical pravity, that they should by ts4,,so.ri
coerce and compel all contradictors and rebels wh-a, rd
censures, by the aforementioned punishments and o'tbe
dies of the law and fact, invoking also, if need he! caolo,oll
the secular arin." Is this bull " Unigenitus" 0„
opinion ? or is it not a standard of the faith to %chichi/fro
has sworn obedience. Yet he tells the protest:tuts,. °f lest
pine that he abjures the doctrines of persecuting„!eder 0411,1
quotes his oatn in confirmation el his assertion. vu leetd,y
head et heretics in these constitutions, so carefullY cie,oee
the decrees of the popes, the followings,4l ir„
bishops, as prescribed by Dr. Mtn ray in this e!euve
" The bishop is bound, eveu.iu places where the ,°_`,hey t;
holy inquisition flourishes, to take sedulous care I°' 04,
purge the diocese entrusted to ;tins from bereticsscui ftio,ll:
should feud any, he might to punish him unix ceueen'oeleuee,
ments. Nevertheless he ought to take care that hes°°ll,o4''re'lJl
der the inquisitor of the filth front the discharge eft, -,ecs
Mall here that the office of the bishop, laid uovrti i 0 ISegjeibrd!
and infallible selections, is to purge his diocese boos We
nut from principles—ab her etic [rout heretics,. is. vet r°
these things with our eyes and beer them with our e'itigsbje!
Murray pretends to abjure them as the.principles °t. le. tiC
in a letter addressed to the irotestants of Great Brit cites
there is another point to which Dr. Murrtry invitee Olt ; be
as a security for the tolerant principles of his ehUrC
dresses as follows, from onleot his -Catechistei f Ire ‘l,
"Observe, avw, pray you, how the elergY,.°on.e.
endeavour to impress upon their flocks the spirit wrsehres
clarations. In the catechism sanctioned by the four,tottP
of Ireland, and which is it. general use through the
following questiontratad answers are found:—
Q.—To how minty may the commandments of G0d,1.2:01 theeei
A.-;-'ro these two principal commandments .bieta
great precepts of charity—" Thou shalt love the
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with thy whole heart and with thy whale soul, and wfs,- 114
strength and with ail thy mind, and thy neighbour
I This do and thou shalt live."—( Luke x.) et!
Q. nd who is tby neighbour ?—( Lek°, x. fe.9•Llceect,si,
' A.—Mankind of every description, and without ie
of persons, even those wise injure us, or differ from u
Q.— flow arts I to 'eve my tteighbour as myself?

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