The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1843-07-11 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-WEDNESDAY.

Sir G. GREY postponed the Charitable Trusts Bill until
next session, when Sir J. GRAHAM said the subject of
charitable trusts bad been fully considered by her Ma-
jesty's government ; and he hoped to be able to lay a bill
on the table relating to them in a few days.
Mr. T. DuNcomEE drew the attention of the house to
certain observations that appeared in the Standard of
Saturday last, in which he was charged with the grave of-
fence of subornation of perjury during the election con-
tests he had engaged in at Hertford, and as be felt that
be had neither done nor said anything to warrant so
serious an imputation on his character, he would move
that Mr. Baldwin, the printer, be called to the bar of the
house.
Mr. AGLIONBY seconded the motion.
Lord J. RUSSELL and Sir R. PEEL both bore testimony
to the charge being unfounded, so far as related to any-
thing said by Mr. T. Duncombe on:the occasion alluded to
by the Standard, and the hon. mover then said he would
allow the subject to drop.
The Scientific Societies Bill was re-committed and or-
dered to be reported on Friday.
CORONERS' BILL.

Lord WORSLEY then moved the order of the day for
re-committing the coroners' bill, and the house, after a
brief discussion and a division, went into committee.

The clauses for allowing the mileage to be fixed at Is. 6d.
per mile, and for authorising coroners to appoint deputies
from the class of barristers, attorneys. and graduates in
medicine, were agreed to; but the one providing compen-
sation to coroners for attending assizes and quarter :ses-
sions was lost on a division. _ _

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The committee then reported, and obtained leave to sit
on Wednesday next.—Adjourned to Friday.

HOUSE OF LORDS-FRLDAy.

The Canada Wheat and Flour Bill was read a third
time and passed.
Lord BROUGHAM moved the second reading of a bill
for the more effectual prevention of the traffic in slaves.
The noble lord stated the object of the bill was to render
it penal for a British subject to hold any property in slaves
in foreign countries, unless they came into his possession
by heirship, or in some other manner having no reference
to any voluntary act of his own. There were provisions
to prevent the bill from failing on those who might inno-
cently become the possessors of slaves.
Lord ASHBURTON was not opposed to the bill, but it
required great care so to word its provisions as not to in-
terfere with commercial interests by preventing parties
from availing themselves of the only property which might
be possessed by their debtors.
The bill was then read a second time, and was ordered
to be committed on Tuesday next.
The Loan CHANCELLOR moved that the Limitation of
Actions Bill should be committed, and said that the bill
was the result of the recommendation of a parliamentary
commission, and only tended to give quiet possession to
parties who had held adverse possession for a certain num-
ber of years, which had been for a considerable time, and
was still, the 1 iw of England, where its operation had been
most beneficial.

The motion was carried by a majority of 30 to 4.
The various clauses were, after some discussion, agreed
to, and their lordships soon after adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS-FRIDAY.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said it was his intention to
proceed with the Law of Evidence Bill this session.
Mr. COCHRANE resumed the adjourned debate on the
motion of Mr. W. S. O'Brien, replying seriatim to many
of his arguments, and contending that no sufficient cause
of complaint for alleged injuries arising out of the union
had been shewn to warrant the house in agreeing to the
motion. He also contended for the justice and ne-essity
of governing Ireland with strict impartiality, and of con-
ceding everything not inconsistent with principle.
Mr. WARD said that the hon. member had spoken
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kindly of Ireland, but the formidable organication going
on in Ireland was not to be checked by kind speeches
alone. Mr. O'Connell having gained three provinces in
his f .vour with a considerable portion of the fourth, was
now'chalking out a plan fora congress to meet accidentally
in Dublin. To allay the discontents in Ireland, steps
should be taken to protect the tenant from the landlord—
to enlarge the franchise, and to reduce the Established
Church within reasonable limits, saving existing rights.
Mr. E. TENNENr said that if the Church of Ireland
was to be given up because it was not the church of the
majority, the Church of England must prepare itself to
be tried by the same test. The union had been accepted
by all parties as a guarantee for the security of the Esta-
blished Church ; and although one of the conditions had
been delayed, that of Catholic emancipation, yet that de-
lay did not affect the validity of the contract; or if the
Catholics now proposed to retract their engagement, they
should also forego the advantage which under that engage-
ment had been conceded to them. The other evils of
Ireland, arising from its overgrown population, were only
to be removed by time, and would not certainly be cured
by a repeal of the union.

Mr. M. O'FFRRAI L said the agrarian outrages com-
mitted in Ireland were the result entirely of the insecurity
of tenure, and the exercise of the power of ejectment
over an impoverished and wretched class of the com-
munity, and urged the necessity of some law such as that
in Scotland, by which a tenant might be secured in ob-
taining a return of the capital expended in improvements.
Mr. SHAW said, it would appear from all that had fallen
from hon. gentlemen on the opposition side of the house,
that in their opinion the only way to keep Ireland in a
state of tranquility was to keep themselves perpetually in
office. Mr. O'Connell, however, appeared to entertain a
very different opinion upon the subject, for he exclaimed
" bah !" to the idea of a substitution of Lord John Russell
for Sir R. Peel, and said that Whig and tory might be
shaken in a bag, and the first drawn out would be an
enemy to Ireland. The question appeared to be raised as
to the propriety of subverting the Established Church,
but that was a matter in which the people of England
would not be very likely to acquiesce.
Mr. MACAULAY said that all the evis they had to con-
tend with arose since the accession of the present govern-
ment, and that government had not met them by such
measures of reason and justice as were demanded. He
contrasted the state of Ireland under the Marquis of Nor-
manby with its present condition, and said that the latter
was to be attributed to the fact that the party of the right
hon. baronet comprised every one who had rendered him-
self odious to Ireland. It was admitted by all parties that
a great crisis had arisen in Ireland, and no one would
pretend to say that matters could remain as they were.
One of two courses must be taken. The government must
conciliate, or it must put on a bold front and put down
the agitation. Sir James Graham must be considered as
the minister for Ireland, and he had already declared that
conciliation could go no further, from which it was to be
inferred, that when the government thought proper to
abandon its present inactivity it would do so on the side
of severity. He must say that he differed in opinion as
to the fact that concession had been tried to the utmost;
he thought there was still a wide field for concession, but
that concession should not go the length of granting the
repeal of the union, which would be equivalent to a war
between the two countries,
Sir J. GRAHAM said that a most erroneous impression
had been received from a sentence which had fallen from
him in a former debate, and the interpretation placed on
which caused him to think that hon. gentlemen on the
opposition side were too much of word-catchers. When
he said that concession had been tried to the utmost, he
did not mean to say that it was impossible to find room
for any further concession. The right hon. baronet com-
plained of the tone and temper of the speech of Mr.
Macaulay, which formed a strong contrast to the previous
course of debate, which was calm and dispassionate. In
reference to the dismissal of the magistrates for attending
reveal meetings, he defended the Irish government on the
ground that even if the meetings in Ireland were legal,
they were, from the multitudes which attended them, cal-
culated to endanger the public peace; and after an inti-
mation had been conveyed to the magistrates 'of the
inexpediency of attending them, the government was jus-
tified in dismissing them for subsequently attending such
meetings. It was said that the voice of the Irish mem-
bers was not heard in that house, and the assertion sur-
prised him, when he remembered how many Irishmen
had been the ornaments of that house—when he re-
membered the names of Burke, Canning, Grattan, Sheri-
dan, and in latter times O'Connell, and Sheil—names,
every one of which, though to some of them he was
politically opposed, he would say must go down to
posterity as having been distinguished ornaments of that
house. It might be said, however, that their voice bad
no influence in the house ; but this could scarcely be the
case, for Mr. O'Connell had repeatedly declared that by
means of the majority of the Irish members the govern-
ment of Earl Grey had been enabled to carry the English
reform bill. If government had forfeited the confidence
of the house the motion was perfectly legitimate, but as
a mere motion for inquiry it was absurd, for it could lead
to no practical result. The government was prepared to
act towards Ireland in the most impartial spirit; its
patronage should be fairly extended to the Catholics in
proportion to their merits, and every attention should be
paid to remove all just grounds of complaint ; but they
could not consent to appropriate any portion of the
revenues of the Established Church to other than eccle-
siastical purposes, and no hesitation must be exhibted by
the government, in this extraordinary crisis, in its de-
termination to maintain the union inviolate. If they
hesitated in repressing the rebellious spirit which now
prevailed in Ireland, the glory of England would be
departed, and the most deplorable consequences must be
the inevitable result.
Captain BERNAL then moved the adjournment of the
debate, which was agreed to.