The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1843-11-14 00:00:00

THE LITERPOOL STANDARD.

He thought there was no good ground at present to justify
any individual in holding the office for two' years. What
would the country say Y Either that he (Mr. Gladstone)
was. the only individual fit to preside over the town of
Liverpool, or that there was- some under-current at work
which ought not to exist. (Loud cries of "Hear, hear,"
and " No, no," from Mr, Aspinall and others.) In
making tbese observations, if he did not appear to be
grateffil, he did not appear to be what he really was
at that moment. (Hear.) He had experienced no-
thing but kindness from the council, but he could not
shut his eyes to the fact, that the council ought to take
the highest grounds for all its proceedings, but in this es-
pecially, and he thought it was only right and fair that
everyman, by good conduct, and by the honest and faithful
discharge of his duties to the council, should look, at
some time, as a fair object of ambition, to ascend to the
chair. (Hear, hear.) He happened to commnicate lately
to one who was very near and dear to him, the idea that
had been suggested by some friends that he should again
be a candidate for the mayoralty ; but the reply he re-
ceived was opposed to his accepting the offer, (if made,)
with the remark, that " turn about is fair play.' (Hear,
and laughter.) He saw on all sides of that room men as
fit as himself for the office. He thought he should be
damaging the fair fame and reputation of the council by
accepting it, for he did not see how he could do so without
affording ground for the inference to be drawn that he was
the only person amongst them qualified to hold the office
of Mayor. (No, no.) Without affectation, he might say,
that if they had re-elected him, it would have been a very
great inconvenience to himself. It would have been his
duty to give up any objection on that score, but the other
objection was of a different nature, and in his mind a very
strong one, and be did hope that the council would now
proceed to elect some gentleman to succeed him, for he
was satisfied that they would obtain gentlemen much more
able than himself, in whom every confidence might be re-
posed, let the circumstances with which they had to con-
tend be as difficult as they might, and who would have no
other consideration to actuate them but the public good.
(Hear, hear.) He therefore hoped the council would
make such a selection as he had spoken of, and he was
satisfied that the individual would do ample justice to
them in the situation in which he (the Mayor) had been
placed during the last twelve months.
Mr. AIKIN was exceedingly glad to hear the observations
which had fallen from the Mayor, and he must say that
he rejoiced at it because he thought Mr. Gladstone would
render them more service out of that chair than he could
by possibility render if he remained the Mayor of Liver-
pool. (Cries of " No. no.") The proposition had been
made to relieve the Council from a very painful position.
(Hear, hear.) He was extremely sorry that this came so
suddenly upon them ; he lamented that any gentleman's
character should be injured in the slightest degree by an
unjust charge ; he would be the last to lead himself to
any trick which was to trip a man's character up ; and if
it had been possible within the meaning of the act to ad-
journ for a short time, if they could go that day into an
inquiry, he thought that before three o'clock some such
report might be made as would enable the Council to
proceed exactly as they would have done if no such
charge had been heard of. (Hear, hear,) He thought
they would have an excellent mayor in Mr. George Law-
rence, the chairman of the Finance Committee, because
he had been zealous and earnest in the discharge of his
duty. (Hear, hear, hear.) There was no man with
whom he (Mr. Aikin) had differed more than Mr. George
Lawrence, but he thought him first entitled to the chair.
(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") Next to him was Mr.
Thomas Sands, and if this charge were found to be frivo-
lous, he would make the amende honorable to that gen-
tleman who had been so unjustly charged. (Hear, hear.)
He said all this without any knowledge of the facts, or
means of judging of them, but he would never allow a
man's character to be taken away without inquiry.
If Mr. Sands now allowed his name to be withdrawn, it
wonld, under all the circumstances give an additional
impetus to this on dit that might be injurious to him and
to his house, and he and his friends would act more wise-
ly by saying, " Let us have the facts ascertained now.'
(Hear, hear.) He was quite convinced that, under the
circumstances, Mr. Sands had exercised a wise discretion
in declining the office of Mayor.
Mr. BIRKETT quite agreed in what Mr. Aikin had said,
with one exception. Mr. likin had thrown out a hint
that this charge might have arisen from an improper mo-
tive. Now he (Mr. Birkett) bad never heard of it until
yesterday, and it had given him a great deal of pain, for
a more painful charge could not have been brought.
Whether it was true or not it was not for him to judge,
but it was only fair towards an officer of the Corporation
to say, that he was a person of high, honourable, and un-
impeachable character, (Hear, hear.) He thought it the
more incumbent on him to make this statement, on
account of the suggestion thrown out by Mr. Aikin. If it
could be considered compatible,—legal he meant, he was
ready to agree to an adjournment for two, three, or five
days, or for a week, if necessary, but before he proceeded,
he begged to ask the Town-clerk whether the Council
could legally adjourn.
The MAYOR.—The Town-clerk says the Council can
adjourn.
Mr. BIRKETT.—Then I move that the Council do now
adjourn till next Wednesday. (Hear, hear, hear.)
Mr. Alderman LAWRENCE...--I am most happy to sec-
ond that. I think it is a most cruel thing to take away the
character of a gentleman in this way.
The TOWN-CLERK said the 69th section of the Muni-
cipal Act—in some copies it was printed as the 68th—
contained the regulations as to the meetings of council,
and after stating that all questions must be decided by a
majority of the whole number present—not being less
than one-third—enacted that the first business transacted
at the quarterly meeting in November should be the elec-
tion of Mayor. It was incidental to all meetings of asso-
ciated bodies to allow adjournments, and in doing so, to
allow the discussions which then took place to go as part
and parcel of the proceedings of the day on which they
originally met; but there was another point which might
have been an awkward one under the first act. In that
act it was enacted that the Mayor shall continue in office
for one year; but by an amendment, in the 4th section
of sth and 6th Wm. IV., chap. 105, it was enacted that
the Mayor shall continue in office one whole year, and
until his successor shall have accepted the office of Mayor,
and subscribed to the necessary declarations.
Mr. H. HORNBY was anxious that Mr. Sands should
have every opportunity of clearing himself; and certainly
he would not be one to offer any opposition to an ad-
journment of the council, but he questioned whether the
adjournment could or ought to take place, or whether
they would be justified in doing so.
Mr. Aim's! quite agreed with Mr. Hornby, that there
was no sufficient ground for adjournment.
Mr. Alderman EvANs said it was his unfortunate lot
again to be on the opposite side. However much he
might regret a charge lying in abeyance, which might
prove false, and probably would, he could not satisfy
himself that the business of this great community ought
to be obstructed by any such circumstance. It
was a
misfortune, no doubt, but it was not one of such irrepa-
rable character that the council must redeem it at the
expense of forming a very injurious precedent. (Hear,
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corporation,
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as In the Court of Exchequer, Wednesday last, a rule
ahe goes- nisi for a new trial was granted in the cause Platt and
official manner, to investigate that charge ; and
others, v. Young and others, tried at the last assizes.
tinned whether the council, without a new Mayor, was
exactly in a position to do so. (Hear, hear.) ARRIVAL OF NINE AMERICAN INDIANS.—The packet
Mr. NORTH said he was inclined to the same view of ship England, which reached Liverpool on Monday, from
things, though for different reasons. His object was to New York, has brought to our shores an importation of
obtain the vindication of Mr. Sands in the most perfect, an unusual kind,—nothing less than nine bonafide Amet
clear, and candid manner. If that council,. by adjourn-, can Indians of the Ojibbewa tribe, including the chief of
ing, could take up the question, not with reference to
the tribe,
is
and other persons of authority. Their object in
visiting England to obtain an audience of her majesty,
Mr. Sands only—for he understood it was to be taken as
a general question—then he might be much in favour of
to whom they are charged, as delegates from the tribe,
an adjournment. He had two objections to the adjourn-
with a mission, the purport of which is to seek assistance
went. He thought, first, in an adjournment for a week, of some kind, in consequence of the wars in which they
have been engaged, with another more powerful
. tribe.
any committee appointed could not give the necessary
The chief, who is /5
.years of age, bears the singular name
consideration to the general question. His second ob-
of.o.quewezance,.whilst another member of the embassy
jection was, that such a committee would naturally act
rejoices in the still more unpronounecable appellation. of
with a sort of leaning to vindicate Mr. Sands, who viould,
Puttonogattowabee.. They made a very short stay in Li-
would,in fact, be on his trial for the mayoralty. (Hear.) He
verpool, having only stayed
into refresh themselves at the
as an earnest and faithful friend- of Mr. Sands,
Angel Inn ; and they arrived Manchester on the same
advise him against that course. He would advise them to
have a fair and impartial committee of that council, who, day. (Monday), accompanied by an interpreter, named
with time and consideration, should go into the whole Notinham, who is what is called of " three-fourths" ln-
subject, and, without bias of any kind, come to a decision dian blood, but who speaks English with facility, from a
on the subject. (Hear.) Mr. Sands had done him the residence of some time in the United States. Since Mon-
honour to consult him on that most painful case. He day, the whole of the party, which comprises two females
(Mr. North) had devoted some days of intense anxiety to and a child, have been lodged at the Mitre Inn, Manches-
it, and he concurred in the resolution which Mr. Sands ter, where every accommodation is afforded them ; but so
had come to, in declining until a committee had been ap- small is the value they as yet attach to European arts and
pointed to inquire into the matter, the high honour in- civilization, that they cannot be prevailed :on to sleep in
tended to be conferred upon him. In that opinion, he, beds, but uniformly prefer the couch of skins which is in
for one, still remained, but, of course, he was liable to be general use amongst this and other tribes. One of the
ladies, we should state, is ill, probably from the effect of over-ruled. He would just add one word in reference to
what fell from Mr. Aikin—without intention, he knew, sea sickness on her voyage. During last week they visited
Mr.
Catlin's unique collection of American Indian curi-
and meant nothing. In his zeal for Mr. Sands, he said
it was barely possible that this accusation—such as it
osities, at present in Manchester, and during the present
was—frivolous, indeed, as he (Mr. North) believed it—
week they will form part of that interesting exhibition,
might be the result of a trick. Now they knew that it after which they will proceed to the metropolis
came from Mr. Currie, than whom a more pure-minded
man did not breathe. It was utterly impossible that he
could be guilty of a trick, or anything approaching to a
bias or leaning of any kind. It was utterly impossible to
conceive of such a thing, and he thought those remarks
due in justice to Mr. Corrie. (Hear.)
Mr. AIKIN said he had no more notion of applying that
word (trick) to Mr. Corrie than he had of flying. How the
word got into his mouth he knew not. It did appear to
him strange that—not at the eleventh hour, but at the
eleventh hour and fi`ty-fifth minute, this should come
out, and it flashed on his mind that it might by a trick.
" I declare to God," said he, " It did not come from our
side." (Laughter.) In justification of Mr. Corrie, he
wished to be allowed to say that he was a man highly ho-
nourable, and in using that word he did not impute to
him any trick

1, „bey hat: naa ,he knowledge of these charges up to
the present moment ? Mr. Sands would have been placed
in the chair, and then the present Mayor would have had
to give him documents impugning his own honour. It
was only right that they should adjourn for the first busi-
ness on the paper.

.
Mr. BUSHELL would vote for the adjournment, in order
that the question might have consideration out of doors ;
for although they were members of that council, they lived
in a commercial community, the members of which were
capable of investigating the charges • and if they could be
satisfied that Mr. Sands was guiltless of any crime or
fraud like that imputed to him, if they could come to that
council satisfied that Mr. Sands bad done nothing meriting
punishment at their hands, they could elect him Mayor of
that council, and then proceed to appoint a commit tee to
inquire as to this charge.
After some further conversation, there were loud cries
of " Vote, vote ! " and the question was about to be put,
when

Mr. SANDS rose and said, —Before I retire, which I
intend doing before you go to the vote, I wish to express
my deep sense of gratitude to the council for their con-
duct towards me. (Applause.)
The votes were then taken, when there appeared—For
the amendment, 42; against it, 18.
For the adjournment.—Messrs. Shand, Shaw, Hough-
ton, jun., I. Holmes, Blackburn, Blundell, Edwards,
North, H. Holmes, Tinne, Toulmin, Fawcett, Aspinall,
Sothern, Royden, Birkett, Wood, Boutflower, Bushell,
Lloyd, J. Hornby, G. H. Lawrence, Plumpton, Leigh,
Glazebrook, Lace, Trotman, Harbord, Sheppard, Smith,
Houghton, sen., J. Lawrence, Brancker, Turner, Freme,
Crook, Nicol, Moon, Chilton, and the Mayor.
Against it.—Messrs. Thornhill, Chalmer, Thompson,
Preston, Aikin, H. Hornby, Stewart, G. Hornby, H.
Lawrence, Kilshaw, Rigby, Jones, Parker, Barclay,
Bulley, Griffith, Holt, and Evans.
Absent.—Messrs. Hodgson, Sands, Rae, and J.
Holmes.

The council adjourned, at half-past three o'clock, till
Tuesday (this day).

DOINGS OF THE SWELL MOB.—On Tuesday a fashiona

Mr. i3ustrELL said it seemed very strange to him that
they first heard of this charge from Mr. Sands himself,
and that they heard nothing of it from the Mayor. He,
(Mr. Bushell,) taking not a legal view, but a common
sense view of the subject, thought it very rational that
the Mayor, having received a charge against a member of
that body—be he high or low—should state the nature of
the charge, and he could not but think it extraordinary
that the Mayor had not thought fit to bring the matter
before the council. He had received the charge in one of
his communications, and he (Mr. Bushell) was anxious
to know what it was. Let the council hear the letter to
the Mayor, and let them see whether it contained charges
of such serious importance as should induce them to de-
prive Mr. Sands of the honour intended for him.

The MAYOR remarked that if Mr. Sands had been pro-
posed it would have been his duty to lay that document
before the council ; then it would have been strictly in
accordance with his duty, as it would have reference to the
subject before the council. He had the document; and

ivide t

if the council called for it I

was prepared with it

Mr. Sandswasnotp;ropO;ed, the course for him would
hve_been to have handed it over to his successor, and let

the cloth for the clothes,
hand upon the money, ar.

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cumstances) on the spur of the moment.. The council i COMMISSIONERS OF BIRKENHEAD.
had been. taken very much by surprise,. and the town
would be•much surprised at what had happened. They On Tuesday last a meeting of this body was held at the
were led up to•yesterday, to believe that if Mr. Sands was 1 Town-hall, Birkenhead.
proposed as• mayor he would be elected without opposition. In reply to a question from Mr. WM. JACKSON, as to
Surely, a thing. of such moment—the election of mayor whether commissioners who had sold land to the township
—the first office—the chief magistrate—might be consi. could legally retain their seats at the board, Mr. Mallaby,
dered worthy of some consideration and some thought. the laweclerk, stated that they could, provided that they
Whether the council had arrived at a point where thew abstained•from taking any part in the discussion of the
could give it that consideration and thought he very much particular question.
doubted. He thought a little longer time was necessary, Mr. Coxon, the road-surveyor, having tendered his
apai t from all considerations as to the character of Mr. resignation, on the ground of ill health, Mr. Brine was
Sands. The matter was only before them in the shape appointed to the office for three months.
of his refusal to stand, but apart from that, there had Upon the report of the Finance Committee having been
been no time for the council to come to a decision, and ! read, Mr. STANSFIELD moved that the improvement rate
therefore, for these reasons, he hoped an adjournment for the ensuing year be reduced from 9d. to 6d. in the
would take place. pound.
Mr. LACE said a sort of insinuation had been thrown This gave rise to an animated discussion, in which se-
out that Mr. Sands was not prepared for his defence. It veral of the members took part; eventually the following
would be gross injustice not to say that Mr. Sands imme- amendment, proposed by Mr. 'Wm. JACKSON, was carried
diately, through the Mayor, received a copy of the letter, by a majority of one :—" That the subject be referred
and the only reason of the Mayor in not bringing forward back to a committee, consisting of the chairman of every
the letter was not a desire to put Mr. Sands in an irnpro. committee, to look into the state of the funds of the ferry,
per position, but as he (Mr. Lace) understood, he detained and the necessary expenditure of the ensuing year, and to
it until called for. see whether it would or would not be expedient to appro-
Mr. H. LAWRENCE said, it occurred to him that what priate any portion of the profits to the reduction of the
had been stated by Mr. Aikin was correct—that they improvement rate."
should not be doing Mr. Sands any favour or kindness, The proceedings of the Health Committee, which con-
but they would be placing him in an unfavourable situa- tamed a recommendation to purchase 10,000 yards of land
tion by the adjournment. He was not inclined to quarrel for slaughter-houses, were confirmed.
with the Town-clerk's law—in fact, he concurred with The Woodside Ferry Committee stated, that the
him entirely that until the election of Mayor nothing could amount received in the last month exceeded that of the
take place—but he did not think that any adjournment of corresponding month of the past year, and that, as addi-
the election ought take place under the circumstances. tional packets would be wanted at Monks' Ferry, they
Mr. North had spoken with considerable feeling, and wished for liberty to contract for another new boat. The
he (Mr. Lawrence) fully concurred in every thing he had report was adopted.
said. ERECTION OF A DOCK AT WALLASEY POOL.
Mr. PARKER said he supposed the question before them Mr. Wm. JACKSON here rose and said,—There are two
was as to the adjournment. He asked the gentleman who subjects, sir, which I wish particularly to bring before
brought it forward, if, after hearing the Town-clerk's ex- You on this occasion—one of which has been already be-
planation, they would persevere? If they adjourned till 11 fore nearly every member of the board; and perhaps it is
Saturday, they would be exactly in the same position, for the most important measure ever brought forward, so far
the first thing they could do was to elect the Mayor, as regards Birkenhead. You are aware that our neigh-
From that day till Saturday not a single committee would bours on the opposite side of the water, in the Council
be in existence, and the whole business of the town would and in the Dock Committee, have, for several months
be neglected. What would become of the Watch Com. past, been discussing the propriety of dock extension, and
mittee ? (Laughter.) There was none. It was dissolved I certainly have been surprised that in all their discussions
now. Gentlemen might laugh, but when they looked at they never alluded to the advantage of Wallasey Pool.
the immense population of this town, there were very es- But however silent they may have been, I can assure you
sential things to look to. He would willingly vote for the that we have not been idle—(hear, hear ;)—for you are all
adjournment; he was willing that Mr. Sands should have pretty well aware, from what has passed in committee,
every advantage; he would give Mr. Sands every oppor- that plans have been prepared, sections taken, borings
tunity of clearing himself of the charges made against made, levels obtained, notices prepared, and everything
him, but the Town-clerk told them that if they did not ready for your instructions this evening for our law-clerk
elect the Mayor they would be exactly in the same posi- to go to parliament for the purpose of receiving powers to
tion. The worthy Alderman (Mr. Nicol) wished them make the most capacious dock that ever was made in the
to adjourn to consider who was to be the Mayor. Did he kingdom of Great Britain or Ireland. (Hear.) We have
suppose that the 9th of November came upon them by obtained, as you are aware, the assent of the Admiralty to
surprise—that they were not aware of the 9th of Novera. our enclosing the whole space from the bottom of the
ber—that they had overlooked it, and that they did not
IreeWoodsidehundredFerryantod Sfoeartcyomacbree—s.an
yaorueaaroefanwoatreletshsatthoaunr know who was likely to be the Mayor? t:
Mr. BARCLAY and Mr. AIKIN suggested the propriety plans have been submitted to them, with gates and a tidal
of proceeding to the election of Mayor, and that this in- basin of 30 acres, or nearly three times the space of the
quiry should take place afterwards. Prince's Dock, which, at all times of tide, will never have
Mr. J. HORNBY said that it appeared to him that an less than 12 feet of water for vessels to float in ; and, by
adjournment would be very injudicious. Before whom damming up at the narrowest point, we shall have dock
was the investigation to be made ? It would be made space at Wallasey Pool to the extent of 120 acres. (Hear,
either before the friends or the opponents of Mr. Sands hear.) This may take the public by surprise ; but
for the mayoralty. In either case there would be some , would only say that though the matter was under our
bias, and the investigation would not give that satisfaction consideration, prudence induced us to keep our own
to the town generally as a fair and unbiassed opinion. counsel until such time as our plans were ripe, and we had
Besides that, he did not think a couple of days sufficient. received the assent of the authorities. Such, gentlemen,
There might be documents required from a distance, and is the subject upon which the committee have to report ;
these could not be provided in so short a time. and they now come before you for the purpose of obtain-
Mr. Nicol. had no idea, in seconding Mr. Birkett's ing the necessary sanction to proceed to Parliament. I
motion, to give time for Mr. Sands's investigation. He may as well state, for the information of the members
had merely the idea that it would give more time to con- generally, that the principle upon which we proceed is
Sider of the Mayor's successor. If they were to adjourn this :—that we, as commissioners of Birkenhead, proceed
for a month they could do nothing in investigating Mr. to obtain the necessary powers to perform a necessary
Sands's affairs. work in Wallasey Pool—that on its own merits we raise
Mr. HUGH HORNDY had stated that he should not ob- the money—that, while the commissioners of Birkenhead
ject to an adjournment, but on further reflection, and after will be the commissioners of the dock estate, the rate-
what had fallen from Mr. North and others, he was per- payers of the townships will not be taxed, directly or in-
fectly satisfied that it would be exceedingly injudicious for directly, for the undertaking. I may also state, that there
the council to adopt that course ; one not only improper are parties prepared to meet the necessary expenses, pro..
as regarded the council, but exceedingly ungracious to vided we are defeated in parliament—a result which I
Mr. Sands. Any investigation could not be received as cannot possibly anticipate—so that no reflection can be
an official one, and they would still be placed in the situa- made on the commissioners that they were using the mo-
tion they now were in. ney of the township for this purpose. (Hear, hear.) It
Mr. LLOYD thought the adjournment was necessary, is proposed that all the pecuniary advantages derived from
even to Mr. Sands, and it was only what was done to every the dock shall be appropriated to the measure itself ; and
member of the council. in order that they might consider if ever, from the sale of land or otherwise, any other re-
who was to be the successor. He agreed with the obser- venue from the dock shall arise, it is proposed that that
vation, that next year the town of Liverpool would have also shall go in the reduction of the cost, and in the re-
subjects before it that would require the council to take duction of the cost, first of all, on the dock rates ; and I
seriously into consideration which way to fill the office of hope that the amount received in this manner will be
Chief Magistrate—not only from what was going on in sufficient to defray the cost of the construction of the
the borough, but from matters out of the borough. The whole. (Hear, hear.) Many say we are very sanguine.
council and the town having been taken by surprise, they I own we may appear so • but, I say, judge us by the past ;
would be anxious to know why Mr. Sands had not been for I may safely state, that' there is no measure which we
elected. It was only just to Mr. Sands that they should ever brought before the public that did not exceed the
not go headlong to elect a Mayor, believing as they did,
most sanguine expectations of its promoters. And if I,
that a few minutes to twelve o'clock they were to put Mr. for one, am sanguine, allow me to observe, that I base my
Sands into the chair. What would have been the course opinion on the report of Mr. Hartley. "
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favour of docks being made at Wallasey Pool. If we
were going to make docks for the benefit of any landown-
er, or for any individual benefit, notwithstanding any
general benefit the works might afford, we might be op-
posed ; but we go that money may be raised for the con-
strustion, that any money which shall go in the cost of
construction shall be repaid, and that the revenue derived
shall be applied towards the same, until such time as,
with water space greater than that at Liverpool, we shall
be open to the whole world free of charge. (Hear, hear.)
I consider this subject as deeply interesting to the port of
Liverpool, and without that port we, as a branch, would
go to nothing. (" Hear, hear," from Mr. Mallaby.) I
consider that we are conferring a boon on the merchants
of Liverpool, greater than ever was conferred upon them.
A short time ago, an alderman of the borough said to me,
" I perceive you have got your pigmy committees." This
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it struck me forcibly then that the fable was about to be
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Liverpool. Birkenhead
(Hear,would
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Many persons allege that our docks here will not be used.
It is a fallacy, and upon this ground:—seven-tenths of the
produce received at Liverpool goes into the interior, and
about five-sevenths by water conveyance to the interior.
It can make no earthly difference to the forwarders of
these goods whether they send them from the east or west
side of the Mersey; and if we can introduce competition
among the wharfingers, on each side of the pool, for we
are going only to make such charges in the docks as will
be reasonable for entering them, that competition among
the wharfingers will induce them to avail themselves of
the lighter charges. There is cotton, for instance. When
the raw material is at a shilling, and when it is brought
down to fourpence, the expenses are now the same. The
per centage on a bag of cotton is enormously heavy : so
that it behoves us to exert ourselves to carry this measure,
and to prove to the world that there is a means of giving
accommodation to them at a cheaper rate than any port
in the world can do ; and this we shall succeed in accom-
plishing by proceeding with this important work. (Hear,
hear.) I may also observe, that in the higher quarters
the project has met with unqualified approbation, and
that they consider it highly beneficial, not only because
it will afford increased dock space, but also because it
will, in all probability, tend to remove that great impedi-
ment to the working of the upper dock, Pluckington
bank. It is the opinion of many that it will cause the
removal of that obstruction ; but, under any circum-
stances, it appears to me to be fraught with good. It
may affect individual interests in Liverpool, but, as a
public body, we can hare nothing to do with those inte-
rests. It is our duty to legislate for the many, without
-egard to the few—to serve the masses rather than the

smaller number ; and in a few years I have no doubt we
shall show that, instead of injuring the property of the
corporation, we have been its benefactors, by giving the
public that accommodation which the other side cannot
give, except at a most enormous cost. In the event of
the bill being carried, there are certain parties ready to
come down with money to commence the undertaking :
so that you are not proceeding on the supposition that
you will have no support. You will have the support of
all the outports. You will have the support of the Ad-
miralty in Parliament. You will have the support of
parties to carry on the competition in Parliament to any
amount ; and you will have the money to construct the
works. (Hear, hear.) lam able to prove, from statis-
tical tables, that you will derive a revenue from this un-
dertaking greater than it is possible now to mention, and
that the cost of all we contemplate is only £300,000.
Mr. Jackson concluded by proposing that the law-clerk
have power to give the necessary notices in the next Ga-
zette, and to take the necessary steps to obtain an act of
parliament.
Mr. Pim seconded the motion.

blysattired man named John Fry, was brought UPZ& Mr. WOOD expressed his belief that the corporation of
Police-court. John Lythall, from Carnarvon, stated that Liverpool would not have sold the land at so cheap a rate
being a little intoxicated he was proceeding up Church- had they known the intention of the commissioners. At
street, in order to reach Bold-street, and asked the pri- the same time be thought that the commisioners ought to
soner and two others his road. The prisoner took old of make the dock at Wallasey rather than the corporation ;
his arm and said he would show him the place. They and he was glad it was going to be erected, for he was an
walked for a long time up and down the street, and at advocate for the extension of dock room.
last went into Mr. Wrigglesworth's public-house, in Mr. BENTHAM read the following extract on the sub-
Brownlow-hill. A joiner, who said be knew the fellows jest from an anonymous letter in the Liverpool Times :
to be part of the swell mob, immediately gave information "As mercantile men, we most heartily wish, with Mr.
to one of the police, who went into the public-house G. H. Lawrence, success to the Cheshire Docks, by who-
before any attempt was made to get any of Mr. Lythall's ever made. Every increased facility to trade increases
money. The prisoner made bis escape, when he saw the that trade, and in no place are those facilities more
officer coming, through the lobby at the back, lying on wanted than in this port. The Cheshire men have great
which were afterwards found a number of flash notes. advantages to start with. Nature has done wonders for
Mr. Rushton did not think the case sufficiently strong them. As Telford said, when he looked down from Bid_
against the prisoner, and was about to discharge him, when ston on Wallasey Pool at high water ' They have built
Mr. Edward Price, tailor, of Hanover-street, said he had Liverpool on the wrong side.' Their docks are half made
a charge against the prisoner. He said that a few days already, and for £500,000 they can give the same area of
ago two men, the prisoner being one, came into his place dock surface as all the Liverpool docks. They have no
and asked him if be could make two suits of clothes be- warehouse interest to contend with, by introducing the
fore Saturday. He replied that he could not, as he had London dock system, may lower the insurance to the me-
some mourning to finish. They then said they would give tropolitan rates."
him till Tuesday, if he could complete the order by that The motion was unanimously adopted. The question
time. He agreed to do so, and one of the party (not the of going to Parliament to confirm the purchase of the
prisoner) asked him if he could change a£s note. He Monk's Ferry was referred to a committee : and a me-
said he could, and brought five sovereigns, receiving in morial proposed by Mr. W. Jackson, on the subject of
his hand at the time he handed over the sovereigns a note. Chester and Holyhead line of railway, was ordered to be
The fellow asked then if he could not give him two half presented to the admiralty by Lord Robert Grosvenor.
sovereigns for one of the sovereigns? He said he could The commissioners adjourned at a quarter after nine
not. The man then pretended the change would be of no o'clock.
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