The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1843-12-12 00:00:00

REPORT

"That your committee having met on the 21st ult. and
having considered the matter referred to hem, so far as
the same appeared from the papers delivered by the late
Mayor to his successor, proceeded to ascertain the dues
payable in respect of the articles in question in this in-
quiry.
"That, under grant of the Crown of the ctistoms of
the water of Mersey, there are payable to the mayor,
aldermen, and burgesses of the borough of Livi,rpcol,
upon the exportation of dry goods in general, the follow-
ing dues :

- For a case, chest, or bale..
Fora box, or truss
" That your committee next proceeded to take the evi-
dence of Mr. Corrie. the receiver; and, after such evi-
dence had been taken, your committee, on the 29th ult.
came to the determination of offering the perusal thereof
to Messrs. Sands and Co. and of giving them the op-
portunity of making any communication to your com-
mittee.

"That on the Ist instant, your committee received a
letter from Thomas Sands, Esq. and Charles Turner,
Esq. making the following communication ;
" Mr. Turner having read the evidence given by Mr.
Corrie before the committee appointed to inquire into the
subject of his letter to the late Mayor, of the 6th ult. and
having related the import of that evidence to Mr. Sands,
we beg to assure you most solemnly, that, in pursuing
the practice imputed to us in that letter, we believed that
we had acted correctly and uprightly, and we respectfully,
but strongly, assert that we did. This assertion, we sub-
mit, is supported by Mr. Corrie's own testimony, which
confirms what we have always understood to be the pre-
valent impression, that the difference between bales and
trusses, and between cases and boxes, cannot be defined
by himself, or by any one employed in the town dues de-
partment, and thei e is no legal definition of such differ-
ence.

" That part of our business, viz. the entry of goods,
both for customs and town dues, has been left entirely to
our clerks, without any knowledge by either of us of
particulars.'

" That your committee further report, that, it appear-
ing upon the evidence of the Receiver, as stated in his
letter to the late Mayor of the 6th ult., that between the
Ist of January last, and the 3rd ult., 4239 packages of
goods were entered with him by Messrs. Sands and Co.
thereon ; your committee, on the Ist instant directed the
Town-clerk to obtain information how these packages
were described in the bills of lading of Messrs• Sands and
Co.

" That on the day following, the Town-clerk laid be-
your committee a letter from Messrs. Sands and Co. as
follows :

" We have no difficulty in answering your inquiry.
No other terms have ever been used in our bills of lading
for dry goods, but bales for packages in canvass, and
cases for packages in wood, without any reference to size,
weight or mode of putting up ; it having always been con-
sidered a mere matter of form. You may, therefore,
assume, that all the packages referred to in Mr. Corrie's
letter, are described in the bills of lading, as bales or
cases.'

"That your committee further report, that it appears
that Messrs. Sands and Co. have pursued this system,
with little variation, since the year 1834. That it ap-
pears that, in that year, this course of Messrs. Sands and
Co. was remonstrated against by the Receiver to their
clerk ; but, after that year, it was allowed by that officer
to proceed, without any further objection thereto being
signified to Messrs. Sands and Co., or any communica-
tion thereon being made to the Council, or any committee
or authority under the council.

" That, in the opinion of your committee, this system
of Messrs. Sands and Co. so long allowed to be pursued
without objection,.will, on investigation, be found to be
at variance with the just rights of the Corporation.
" That the Receiver, in allowing this system to continue
without objection or report until the 6th ultimo, properly
acknowledges that he isopen_for censure,

" That the Receiver, in at length bringing the subject
under consideration, appears to have acted without any
personal motive, and not by the inducement, or at the in-
stigation of any one.

r` That your committee, lastly, report, after mature
consideration, and particularly after weighing the want
of some declared rule of distinction for preventing doubt
in instances of approximation of the box and the case,
and the truss and the bale—the omission ever since
1834 of objection on the part to the Receiver—the man-
ner in which this charge has been met by Messrs. Sands
and Co. in the prompt admission of facts and production
of papers, and, moreover, the solemn assertion of Mr.
Sands and Mr. Turner, that they considered that they
were acting correctly, your committee are of opinion that
these gentlemen proceeded erroneously, yet they did so
without any dishonourable intention.

"And your committee recommend that this report, if
approved, with the evidence taken, be referred to the
Finance Committee, along with a particular instruction,
so far as regards the taking into consideration whether
some satisfactory rule of distinction in instances of ap-
proximation of the box and the case, and the truss and
the bale, could not be fixed ; which, meeting general ap-
probation, and erring only (if at all) in favour of trade,
could be declared, to prevent the possibility of any fair
difference, or any delay to business, or other inconveni-
ence hereafter.
" Town-hall, 4th December, 1843.

Mr. SHAND said that at the present moment he was not
prepared to offer any observations, but to propose that
the report be received and adopted.

.Mr TINNE seconded the motion

Mr. BLACKBURN expressed his regret that members
had not been informed that the subject was coming

Mr. NORTH said nobody was more unfeignedly glad at
the termination of the matter than he was. Much had
been said about the inability to define the difference be-
tween the various packages about which these charges
had arisen. He would only say, that he might not be
misunderstood, that he dissented entirely from that ex-
pression. His opinion was, that every man carried about,
in his own breast, a perfect knowledge of the definition.
Mr. H. HORNBY thought the report did not do full
justice to Mr. Corrie. It was not stated that he had made
a representation to the Finance Committee in 1834, and
that he was directed by that committee to take no fur-
ther notice of the matter. It was due to Mr. Corrie that
this fact should have been brought prominently forward.
Mr. SHAND said that subject was not brought before
the committee, but in the examination they found much
ground for extenuation in the proceedings of Mr. Corrie,
and it was difficult to put the report in a shape to bring it
before the Council in a concise form.
Mr. H. LAWRENCE agreed entirely with what had
fallen from Mr. North. lie did not think there was any
difficulty in distinguishing the packages. He went over
the docks with a gentleman yesterday, and they had a
long examination, and there were only a few packages in
the docks that could be considered as doubtful. In his
humble idea, he did not think any gentleman was justi-
fied in entering any package in one name when it was
known to be of another. No ignorance on the part of
the returning officer was a justification. As the report
of the committee confirmed his opinion, he thought there
was wrong conduct on the part of Messrs. Sands and Co.
If Mr. Sands said he had done wrong—and he (Mr. Law-
rence) had done wrong many times, and was proud to set
himself right again—if he would only say he had erred--
had taken an erroneous view of the case, and would
never do so any more, the matter might rest here.
Mr. HODGSON thought the report by no means satis-
factory. It appeared to be a report got up under some
circumstances of difficulty, which seemed to have shut
the mouths of the committee. They were appointed to
make an investigation, and they now came forward in a
very lame position, and recommended that the report be
sent to another committee, to whom the matter was not
referred.

After a remark from Mr. Lloyd and Mr. H. Lawrence,
Mr. HODGSON asked whether what was stated in the re-
port to have been a communication from Messrs. Sands,
Turner, and Co., was the whole of the commnnication.
(" It is not.") He would ask, then, why part of that
letter was suppressed ? It would be seen that Messrs.
Sands, Turner, and Co. had manifested the utmost desire
to meet the question fairly, openly, and honestly, and he
thought the party accused, even though acquitted, should
not be half acquitted. The remainder of the letter cor-
roborated the whole, was highly important, and ought to
have been given.

Mr. LLOYD said that what was in the latter part of the
letter was not to the point.
Mr. HODGSON, who held a copy of the letter in his
hand, and was about to read, after a few minutes' consul-
tation with Mr. Alderman Crook said, that if the com-
mittee felt there was besides that, other evidence unde-
sirable to go into, he would not press it.
Mr. EDWARDS suggested that the evidence be printed.
Mr. ATKIN would beg to suggest, as a matter of dis-
creetness, that each member of the council, who was de-
sirous of reading the report should do so, and if, after
having read it, they were desirous of having it printed,
then there could be no objection.
Mr. H. LAWRENCE wished that all the documentary
evidence produced before the committee should be open
for the inspection of the council.

Mr. Aiiiirr would say that Mr. Hodgson had not made
a very discreet speech—one at all calculated to do good to
the friends whose cause he advocated, nor to the trust
which it was his bounden duty to protect. Mr. Corrie's
duties were in doors. All he had to do was to see that
the note presented to him corresponded with the Customs'
entry, and, if so, he was bound to receive the dues. It
was ridiculous to say there was no distinction between a
bale and a truss. There were instances when the shading
between the difference was so small that it was difficult to
tell, but to say that a bale measuring 100 feet v

or a bale measuring two trusses was
try to the general understanding and
' ' • -' • -

:city of ti

IFFITII was in favour of having the evi

of the cou

)uld withth:-.aw it

HOLMES did not tt

uk the distinct

vas 1 m

oogCt
It was actually a conundrum. When is a box no
olDef
a box ? Why, when you put anything into it, it ue''
a case. (Laugr.
Mr. PARKER would
warmly support the reportbt,arifershr,
did not believe that a morehonou able man
Sands ever filled the chair. r officer
Mr. Alderman TURNER said Mr. Corrie was eun sol
c(woHintehcalrau,nsi
hear.)
enn
therdoo committee
Hodmeepartment. He had no cleiksniertool.
person under him, to examine the entries, but mat•
them on the faithmaqtidtere.hTohnour of a British iner't
tb6
the evidence. Messrs. SanduasknTceoru)mrnceoetruo,ldvgnsdobtC°sorl:tib°%sBll:4lricPt:
policy of insurance, had termed these 4000 package° 000
They knew they could not recover their policy of ins° Oda
if they were not so insured, and they ought to Wei. %est
the town dues on them as bales also. The indiscreeawbst
which Mr. Hodgson had shown, in rising and °II ge
he did, warranted what he (Mr. Turner) had sai-' did
should not resist the receiving of the report; but
be
not think it an honourable acquittal. for ht.
M. EVANS did not think there was any seOP sarill
vestigation, and foretold that it would end as it neeesrlione
had ended—in accepting as evidence the mere asisenofr•
of the parties. He hoped they would be mindful vercis°
North's suggestion, and that they would call into .boo
this court of conscience, of which, he would hope,
all other men, the merchants were not devoid.. too IS
Mr. BIRKETT said the report was not so satistae re-
he could have wished it. He did hope tint, afterltovoef,
port, (which, though it acquitted Messrs. Sands, pooh)
and Co. of a moral wrong, it imputed to them au good
Messrs. Sands and Co. would immediately set 51.80tiee
example to the merchants by discontinuing the P tb°
complained of, until the committee investigates
matter. th°
Mr. BLACKBURN thought the report Just- cageoo-
-
matter exactly as it stood ; it had not altered the

single iota. •
After some discussion the report was adopted.
The Mayor was introduced.
Mr. Nicol. said he had the satisfaction to infloall
that the report of the special committee had beep
mously adopted by the council. friend tat
The MAYOR.-1 understand, from my • 0 I
Lace. that he has stated to the council his convielor tO
I should be glad to give every assistance in Pri dot
the Finance Committee in the collection of tovfe then
He has not stated more than the fact—not mc",,erealla
stated to the Town clerk yesterday. I think I on"efohers
this subject as well if not better than any of the!, notice
of the council ; and if it had been brought to 7.4 t hag/
in a proper way years ago, I should have beep °-
to give my best attention to it
Here the matter rested

The proceedingFslNofANthCiEs
coCmOMmMitItTeTeEE. taineds
resolution for the erection of new bathsviehnidcbl'acs °1311.b°1561'
in Paul-street, were passed. n 7.1 •n r
fi efefr
f
After some little conversation, Mr. HoD0s"• ' I„ 6li ni -
ence to the interest of 4 per cent. offered ny,,,°°,;jagt3Bl/1
£4OOO to be borrowed, said, the London and .""
Railway could get any sum at 3 per cent .ce, for
Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE said it had been a PrsCp-n
nt
a long time, to give interest at the rate of 4 Per c

DOCK COMMITTEE.. ding tb,de
The MAYOR said the course would be in rea„adinv,
under the existing dock acts, 'and then
proceedings of this committee, to read the Pr-,,,,,-- diPP
the pro.-- ,
which were under these acts. rev'
weres.o,l
The proceedings under the existing acts
and those as to new matters were referred to the,,,ab'
Committee of the Council, to be called after the $a
,
committee of the Docks shall have given their reP. floc!
A long discussion took place on the report of the
Committee, as to the saving of life from shiPvisroppal
being the opinion of many members that some 5° Co
aprarnayngfeomr etnhteousugphptltyo
obfe
smteaadme
powertheinStearn 'rug.t lift/
towing °I.
Doric
boats.
sthhearlle
The TOWN-CLERK gave it as his opinion
Committee had not done all they had power to clij;tbere
that the that
was a public fund provided, by means of whlc" -e
At
of Da
Tile proceedings of the Improvement, Courts t oboer'
bweadsispcuhbalrigcedd.uty devolving upon them. ,i.atnh duty
and Markets Committee. were confirmed wiLb°°-
vation

poTinhtempernotcoefedminrg.s
Roof
btehrits
Ecollmismanitdte‘ei
HEALTH OF THE TOWN COMMITTIq• the sr
ton Lewis, as Assistant Surveyors, -the CO
oar
which was postponed at the Council on throeth 700361'
ber last, pursuant to the standing orders, e c
r i.nTc lhuodcs
813;101

ndal
MAYOR'S COMMUNICATIONS• gem: e
A memorial from the importers of fruit, on thud 00
rates of town dues ; and another from the licenseroitteele
store dealers, were referred to the Finance Coma to tP
A memorial from the Guardian Committee
ce CO'
New Gas Company, was referred to the Final'
mittee to report.

THE WALLASEY DOCKS. esohitiooni
Mr. ISAAC HOLMES proposed the following rsioners 10
mofakwehiacphpliiieeathioard.
tgoivipeanriniaomtiecaet:—forTahoe Commisteotilicot
tßoirmkaekneheoard
constructhaving gaivDenoenkotaicte
Wallasey
their in bje t- i
special committee be now appointed toalAti s,gerecoOtbef
into consideration, to make such reports on" 61, os -
dations in connexion therewith, to this Coon ,
may deem requisite. ti gr°llljt
There being no seconder, the motion fell to tte: tor°
and the Council adjourned at twenty-five rniii°
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dered to his character of chairman, the ihr e gentV 03'
most extraordinary run on Friday wee' ' s
gistrate for Cheshire.—Stockport Advertill'ounds e olg
GALLANT RuN.—Sir W. M. Stanley. Oliroa°,(l,s
burst, for Badger's Rake, bearing pa the owl'
Two Mills. At a few minutes after ,ledvi,ernart eon':
were put into the Union Gorse ; 1.0°,,"„ say tp, CoPe%
and rattled through the covert in stlern-ce,e,7"cross,,"
pelled the fox to break away at an awfuL: rig hard Pre"'
wiaysapeonerbiaottgi
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ltaHuhht gentlemen,ea
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,going
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ds,
pshnhusuonobi
the high road towards Stanney Wood' errible Pt'witli':ato
the find could not have.elaei
sed to enter; then turning again et shit I be w,fele dg- s
away for the Union again, through '''''' lc, 'alnili' te_edoo
lingering an instant, away for Shotwier“,„er a truce 0 froirt
to tut tco
ee, horf
Blacon, where he was run to ground, after jistg iles.
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run of two hours and ten minutes• rtwentY !lola'
at eh
hounds in such a run. __The °het
~., E. ger to
nitxig,diticylr e d miles
between Mr. Hampson's ch. f. JudYis George s (110'
Lacy, 3 years, (thorough-bred) and xr• 4 year : Iler
ch. 1. Queen of Trumps, by Pherionlennirouage„ ti!itlic;
bred) two miles and a half over the race ~ the s, is•.,,
mere, catch weights, came off on ToeMeetat(!.r,„ess Pk
vs. AT ELLEsm-gods, hY Belissif,
mo, in the presence of many bundrea f,,, tc al,',.at oP,
had assembled from all parts of the coutT2e the)?aersY
Two false starts took place. The third ~,he '_., co:
beautifully, the Queen last on her legl3; or ear
dpwn the hill at a rattling pacer In tht time keatttillt
tinned twice round. The third and las
_hair, a o A greo,
lengedsportin
sporting
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affair
hnreonutgahboouutt. theA distance ,L'au half. 1'0,30 '
race ensued, and beat her a length and indeed, Preston,
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deal of money was sported on. tiN)ie. rkaiciiiteii:
sr,„„cs:„T.,oo,,fa.aciresso:o,
was judge on the occasion.
THE GREAT WESTERN AND THU
theseH OS k etnw,ot he O R m at
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ed el ra ottfetrheGreatW , of• speed 40°11
a letter to a contemporary on the '
tria fitted with is
at fa
vessels, being
staestedrnitiles:tnboetc:;;;
propeller. He says, " When w the Pon way, be
speed ;in the course of a few minutgen ,1
bt"b. 3 gilt 'it
ped astern nearly her length.
Sdllost. This breilore :o.
shortly after gained what she ha ,_„,v, a littlee_o_, cro,_,
right abreast of us. She then 01'
her ..°BIJ elfbe
an
cession. rate '0:1
ibnezamoaunrdbsoewt
sh,erhjeirb,sapnadnk,
spanker;
soon after,
and mizen topsails, in slow suc
sperm bole
and the
co
crud
succession of sail increased he
was leaving her opponent. The ,_, 1.,,, the
~ by i
halt, es
the Battery to abreast Sandy HOOKand 5
staric
Ito
the Princeton, 1 call fifteen miles The The di lyt td la
r sPewbole dictaancontsethe
the Great Western was going nearly '" of the „.etv. 4
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first and
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the Princeton passed, the Great at,
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the first, the wind riht aft, and ,515, ,
either,vAß laEnrdyboltNh sidhillpysEou
Liverpool contains 60 Woods, 1 d 1 ,bistle t ,oar, nit.s
8 Groves ; 2 Trenches, 1 Field, an .
ers-1, , parl, po
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and .3 Towers ; 2 Houses, 13 Chernloeints;,..(i toe !ti.
12 Kitchens; 3 Windows and Caseinvery
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Princes,
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)011filij 'si:lls,aat' 0:610:01,” d:;
1 Sinker ; 6 Bucks and 3 Dandys ;
56, 1;j Clarl‘:, aadi:',
deacon, and 3 Deacons; 14 Parson '1,,,„4001.1,..t c.o.
Sexton ; 5 Popes, 9 Abbotts, 5 PriestsLo°_c. 1
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Fryers; 196 Taylors, 12 Men, and 1 6 u and 2,.; ose :
2 Foots 4. 2 uo, „5,
2 Rags; 20 Potters and 7 Potts; , coitart• ,D3rlloo y
9 Bushels and 3 Pecks ;14 Pyes and z and 3 „,atl ~
1 Gosling, and 1 Duck ; 1 Child, 3 Lovest, ccies, ;11,1 .:
d 3 Dickies •, 12 Gannett. Ciiristia9st fjoP,c
Whites and 12 Blacks; °
3 Fidler an° nciri'l
T";,,,hts and 11 Days ; 1 siti, 15 nol;
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