The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1833-04-30 00:00:00

' Did anything
.pass between Careful and yourself respecting
his vote P—Certainly not.
When did you see him during the election ?—I did not see
him during the election neither of the days.
Did he send for you ?—He did not.
Had you any intimation that he would not poll without you ?
—I had'not.
• That he had declined to poll unless you were present ?
Nothing of the sort.
You did not know that Careful voted perhaps ?—1 did not.
Had you any ribbons on those days ?—I had.
Were those ribbons folded up or were they loose ?—Both
ways.
From whom bad you those ribbons P—From Mr, Wilson.
What Mr. Wilson ?—Henry Wilson, he is a draper.
At what time did he .give you those ribbons ?—I cannot tell
exactly, at ten o'clock probably.
Were the ribbons wrapped in paper P—Some were and some
were not.
Did you unwrap them ?—Some of them.
Did you unroll all the ribbons that Mr. Henry Wilson gave
to you folded P—Certainly not.
Where did you carry them P—ln my waistcoat pocket.
Where had you the loose ones?--In my coat pocket.
. You are an old electioneerer ?—Certainly.
Did you ever know a man /any ribbons in his waistcoat
pocket before?—Often, I always used to do it.
You had two sorts of ribbons P—No they were all of one kind.
But. some were folded up in small parcels, some in paper,
some without paper, both folded P—No, those that were without
paper were not folded, they Were loose: a dozen ribbons were
given to me, and I put them in my coat pocket.
You say you carried the 'folded ribbons in your waistcoat
pocket, what size were they ?—About the size of one of these
gloves.
Were any of those ribbons which were folded up wrapped in
paper?—To be sure.
, Were the separate ribbons wrapped in paper ?—Certainly ;
separate ribbons wrapped in paper were given tame folded up.
Were any of those ribbons given to you folded without paper?
—None at all.
Did you take any of the papers off ?—I opened some of them.
For what purpose?—l cannot say.
Did you ye away any of those which you had taken the
paper off?—Yes.
Did you give those to any of the parties that sent for you out
of the room?—No; I did not give them to any body that sent
for me out of the room. I gave to any body promiscuously.
Did you, in a singe instance, give to any of those parties
sending for you out of the room, any of these folded ribbons?—
' did not.
Not in one single instance ?—Not in one single instance.
That you distinctly and positively recollect ?—I do nof.
Then tell me where you gave these folded ribbons away ?
At the outside of the door I was plagued by every person, and
in order to get rid of them I gave them those ribbons.
You were frequently at the outside of the door of the Golden
Lion ?—Frequently.
The pb.rties were standing around the Golden Lion door,
.were not they?—Hundreds.
• Freemen as well as others ?—Yes.
Is not there a passage between the front room of the Golden
Lion, and the door leading into the hail of the Golden Lion?—
Leading into the kitchen, and leading into the lobby.
There is another passage from the lobby into the street?—Yes.
At which dimr of that passage was the porter stationed ?—I
think there were two porters, one at the front door and one at
the parlour door.
So that if you were passing. from the parlour of the Golden
Lion to any of the parties who sent for you out, it was per-
fectlypossible for either or both of those parties to see 'you ?
Certainly.
When you got• to the outside of the Golden Lion, people
usually asked you fur ribbons I understand ?—Not always, but
frequently.
Did you give a folded ribbon to those people that teased
you?-Yes.
You say you unfolded a part of them, but not all?--Not all.
And'Mr. Henry Wilson gave them to you ?—He did:. •
Was Mr.. Henry Wilson a member of the committee?—Yes.
Had he the distribution of the ribbons ?—lie had.
Where were the ribbons kept ?—Kept by him, locked up in
a box, amongst his papers and books.
What sort of a box ?—A tin box.
How often did you receive supplies of ribbons from Mr. H.
Wilson P—l think I got about. three dozen altogether. •
What proportion of them were folded cannot say.
Were a dozen of them folded ?—I do not know any thing
about it.
Were half a dozen folded ?—I do not know how many there
were.
I want to know what proportion of the ribbons were folded.—
There might be half of theta,
What proportion of those that were folded did you unfold.—
Two or three of them,
Why did you unfold them ?---I do not exactly recollect why
I did it now. .
But the ribbons folded-up you gave away ?—I
And if you gave them to any person in the passage of the
committee-room, at the Golden Lion, the porter must have seea
it.—Certainly.
You said you never hired a porter yourself ?—Never, and I
should not know them now.
On the night of the first day, you were present at the com-
mittee meeting, at the Golden Lion ?—I was.
Did you hear the commencement of' the conference with the
deputation?—l did not.
Did you hear the conclusion of it ?—Yes, I did. The con-
clusion was, that Mr. Leyland said he would stand the contest
till the last moment.
Who is Mr. Leyland ?—A banker in Liverpool.
Was he a member of Sir Howard Douglas's committee ?
Yes.
Is he a magistrate ?—Yes.
Has he been mayor ?—Yes.
He is one of the corporation of` course ?—Yes.
Did the deputation from Sir Howard Douglas's committee
remain after this conversation F—l think some did and some
did not.
Was there an union of the committee after the first day ?
I think not, I never saw any of them there before that night,
nor after.
YoU told my learned friend that in consequence of the
information you got, you suspected the opposite party were
going to put the bribery oath for delay, and were going to give
the men half a day's wages. Now, as an old electioneer, and
with a majority of 600, would vou think of giving half a week's
day's for votes ?—I should think so from the disposition of
the men, that I think a very trifling sum would have served
them at that time.
Who informed you that the opposite party were going to give
wages ?—I do not know, some of our canvassers brought that
information.
Were those men usually employed at elections ?—They were
some of our old canvassers.
Did you propose any specific sum P—l proposed that if they
were going to give hail a day's wages, that we should do the.
same, and I said that would lie about the value of 2s, 6d.
Did you mention a thousand half crowns P—l did not.
Nor any number of half crowns ?---Nor any number of half
crowns.
Did you mention what number of votes would be required to
save the election ?—I did not.
Did you say you had made any calculation of the number"
that would poll upon the second day ?—I did not. •
Did you say any thing which lea the party to 'believe that
the amount of a thousand half crovins would save the election'
—No, I did not, nor-any thing like it.
Was Mr. Thomas Horsfall present ?—I think not.
Was Mr. Charles Parker piesent ?—I think he was.
Was Mr. Joseph Sanders present ?—I do not recollect.'
Did Mr. Thomas liorsfall make any similar proposition in,
your presence ?—No.
When you said that half a day's wages would be necessary
if the other party did it, did any body scout that at once, was it
treated with contempt?—Yes, 111 r. 'Lawrence did say, tnat if•
the election depended upon half a day's wages, he would not be
a party to it.
•Did any body else say it?—Not at all, it was-not mentioned
by any body.
Did any body else treat the proposition with contempt ?—I
•did not hear any body else but Mr. Lawrence.
• Then you did not hear it condemned, by any body but Mr.
Lawrence ?—Not in my presence.
If you did not say a thousand half crowns, did you say a few
half crowns ?—I said that half a day's wages would be about
2s. 6d.
'Did you, or did you not use the word " half crown ?"—I did
in that instance.
Did you mention 2s. 6d, or did you mention half a crown ?
Hhalf a crown.
Did you mention a few half crowns ?—I did not.
• Then if any body has said that you mentioned a few half
crowns is t hat untrue ?—lt is.
• Then no such thing was said ?—Not by me.

CONSClBNCE.—Conscience, like all our other powers, comets
to maturity by insensible degrees; and may be more aided in
strength and vigour, by proper culture.—Rid.
'fuss: TASSIONS.-A man can always conquer his passions if
he-T/eases); but 4e cannot always phase to conquer his passions.