The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1835-05-08 00:00:00

LORD ALVANLEY AND O'CONNELL.

(FroM the Times )
The subjoined papers have been sent to us, and will attract
the curiosity of our readers. The outrage offered by Mr. O'Con-
nell to Lord Alvanley was quite sufficient, as all must allow,
to justify the measure which his lordship had recourse to, in de-
mand►ng an ample apology : as for that satisfaction which con-
stitutes the alternative proposed by the noble lord, no man who
was governed by the feelings, or conscious responsibility, of a
gentleman would have offered such an offence. Mr. O'Con-
nell's reply to that portion of the message from Lord Alvauley
it is therefore easy to anticipate.

TO THE MEMBERS OF BROOKES'S.

" London, May 2.
" Gentlemen,—ln the House of Commons, on the 20th of last
month, Mr. O'Connell made use of expressions of,a coarse and
insulting nature with regard to me. I received The account of
his having done so in the country on the 21st, and immediately
enclosed the following letter for him to Colonel Darner, who
finding that he had left town, forwarded it to Dublin by the post
of the 22d :

Sir,—ln the remarks you made :on Monday last, on a
question which I had put on the pr6vious Saturday to Lord
Melbourne, a question of purely a political nature, you used
language which I cannot allow to pass unnoticed. lam aware
that you assume a right of insulting with impunity, and I can
hardly hope that you will make an exception in my favour by
doing that which every other gentleman would do, and giving
satisfaction where poi have offered insult; I however give you
the option of doing so, and my friend Colonel Darner will make
the necessary arrangements, should you be inclined to avail
yourself of my proposal.
"' I am your obedient servant,
" Chefdon, Tuesday. " ALVANLEY.'

" Having ascertained his arrival in Duhlin on the 26th, and
received no answer on the 28th, Colonel Datnet wrote to him
again on that day :
" Sir,—l was in hopes to have heard from you by this time,
and must request that you will return me an immediate answer
to Lord Alvanlev's letter of the 22d, as he is impatient at la-
bouring under the stigma of your gratuitous insult to him on
the 20th. " lam your obedient servant,
" GEORGE DAMER.
"'4O, Grosvenor-street, April 28.'

"To this second letter he has returned no answer. Having,
therefore, tried those means to obtain redress which are cus-
tomary amongst gentlemen, I now appeal to the only tribunal
of men of honour, to which we are both amenable; and have,
therefore sent a requisition, already signed by several members
of the club, requesting the managers to call a general meeting,
to take the case into consideration. . _

" It has been objected to use that this is a question of a pri-
vate nature, and that the club is not called upon to interfere.
I acknowledge that it is af a private and personal nature; but
I think that, as the honour of two of its members is deeply im-
plicated, the club has a right to do so, should it think fit. The
one has received a gratuitous insult, for which the other refuses
in any way to atone, thereby claiming for himself an exemption
from those laws by which the society of gentlNnen is regulated;
and without which the honour and feelings of every man would
be at the mercy of those who might choose to cover themselves
with the shield of irresponsibility. Having that right, I think
it will be but justice in this instance to exercise it, and to give
to the one an opportunity of stating why he, a member of the
club, has remained under the stigma of an affront for which he
has received neither satisfaction nor apology; and to impress
upon the other that it utterly repudiates his assumption of being
out of the pale of those laws of honour by which gentlemen are
governed.
" I have the honour to be your most obedient servant,
" ALVANLEY."

THE REQUISITION.
" London, May 2.

, .
`'We, the undersigned members of Brookes's Club, request
the managers to call a general meeting as soon as possible to
consider a statement that will be made to it of Mr. O'Connell's
conduct to Lord Alvanlev, both being members of the club.
ALVANLEY. H. BAILLIE.
SEFTON. C. ST. JOHN FANCOURT.
DE ROS. R. ERRINGTON.
H. GALLY KNIGHT. VILLIERS.
ARGYLL. W. H. IRBY.
JERSEY. NORFOLK.
TANKERVILLE. J. S. HIPPISLEY.
STANLEY. R. W. BULKELEY.
C. C. GREVILLE. M. W. RIDLEY.
WILLOUGHBY DE J. R. GRAHAM.
ERESBY. G. ANSON.
T. S. DUNCOMBE. LICHFIELD."
C. STANDISH.

LETTER FROM LORD ALVANLEY TO THE MANAGERS OF
BROntiES'S CLUB.

" Gentlemen,—l enclose a requisition signed by twenty-four
members of Brookes's Club, which I request you to take into
consideration as soon as you conveniently can.
" I am your obedient servant,
" ALVANLEY.

" No. 2, Albemarle-street, May 3, 1835."

ANSWER.

" The managers of Brookes's Club having had under their
consideration a requisition signed by several members, request-
ing them to call a general meeting 'to consider a statement that
will be made to it of Mr. O'Connell's conduct to Lord Alvan-
ley, both being members of the club,' ate of opinion that it
would be inconsistent with the practice and contrary to the
established rules to take cognizance of differences of a private
nature between members of the club, and, therefore, decline to
call a general meeting in compliance with the above requisition.
DUNCANNON.
ALBEMARLE.
JOHN BYNG.
EDWARD BLOUNT.
EDWARD ELLICE.
RONALD C. FERGUSON.
" Brookes's, May 3, 1835."

The Times, of Tuesday, with reference to O'Connell says
"There is hardly a week of Mr. O'Connell's existence, ever
since his " vow in Heaven" was promulgated, which has not
exposed him to a most just and righteous visitation of resent-
ment from one or more individuals whom he has savagely in-
sulted. His vow in heaven he has bad all the cunning to ex-
hibit ab a grand effort of forbearance towards others; whereas
the whole course of his demeanour proves it to have been no
better than an ignominious artifice for his own protection. "
will make my vow," says the arch impostor, "an instrument
for tormenting others, and for saving myself from retribution."
Let us ask any brave man, therefore, is that a fraud which
ought to be countenanced or permitted ? Is such a man, like
the snake of India, to be held sacred by the superstitious mul-
titude, because of the deadliness of its bite? Is malice to be ex-
empt from all the pains of crime, because it throws over pusil-
lanimity the mask of conscience and religion ? If we go to the
origin of this complaint brought forward by Lord Alvanley, we
shall find that his lordship has been grossly wronged by Mr.
O'Connell. The allusion which the noble lord made to that
person had nothing offensive in it—literally nothing. He
merely asked whether any man could believe that Mr.-O'Con-
nell would lend his support to the administration without a cer-
tain equivalent? Why, the equivalent referred to might have
been, and we are firmly persuaded that Lord Alvanly meant
nothing worse, some measures with regard to Ireland which
might have served the political purposes of the agitator. The
whole context of Lord Alvanley's interrogatories bears us out
in the construction of his Lordship's words. Is he, then, to be
called a bloated buffoon and a venal being, but not worth pur-
chasing, for demanding from the King's minister an avowal
whether he did or dio not concur in political sentiment, or pro-
ceed upon a common understanding, with 0110 who entertained
projects which Lord Alvanley thought ruinous to the constitu-
tion ?"
The meeting between Lord Alvanley and Mr. Morgan O'Con-
nell, and its result, will be found in the following letter from
Colonel Darner.

" 40, Upper Grosvenor-Street, Monday evening, May 4.
" On my arrival in London this evening at half-past 5, from
a review at Woolwich, Lord Alvanley put into my hands the
following letter, which had been delivered to him by Colonel
Hodges on the part of Mr. Morgan O'Connell :
" ' 9, Clarges-street, Monday 4.
‘• My Lord,—Your Lordship thought proper to thrive out
grossly offensive expressions in the House of Lords, on the
18th of last month, against my father, and indeed against the
Irish members generally in the reform interest.
My father on the 20th retorted in the house of Com-
mons, and in doing so is supposed to have designated you as a
bloated buffoon.

" My father remained two days in London without hearing
anything troin you on the subject against which he retorted.
After his departure for Ireland, you seem to have made up your
mind to send him a species of hostile communication. You
now state that this interval was occasioned by your having been
in the country, but this matters not; I have this day seen your
letter, which it appears you have sent to the newspapers.
" All the world knows that my father has been engaged
in an unfortunate personal transaction, that he has publicly
declared his determination never again to be similarly engaged,
and therefore that any man may so address him with safe,ty.and
impunity'.
" Although you were decidedly the aggressor,—although
you attributed unworthy and interested motives to him,—al-
though in your challenge, if it is to be so considered, you do
not attempt to explain away the disrespectful expressions you
had in the first instance used towards him,—although my
father's return to London would necessarily be in a few days,—
although but a few days elapsed after your sending this com-
munication to Ireland, so few indeed as scarcely to admit of
the possibility of an answer, you or your friends nevertheless
hastened to give publicity to die circumstance, and follow it up
by canvassing for a requisition to Brookes's (and at the head of
which your own name, an interested prrty, is unbecomingly
placed), having for its.object my father's expulsion from that
club: various insulting statements, also grounded on the same
circumstances, and obviously also emanating from the same
source, went the rounds of the public papers devoted to your
party : it was also. confidently announced by your partisans
that you intended to assault. my father if he refused you satis-
faction.

" 'Whether Mr.. O'Connell will take any notice of your
epistle, or will treat it with the contempt it merits at his hands,
is immateriaL He is ignorant of the miserable and paltry
machinations going on in the clubs of St. James's-street. It is
also immaterial whether the rumours and statements in the
public prints were or were not unfounded, because you iden-
tified yourself with them by permitting them repeatedly to ap-
pear without your denial.
" But all doubt on this point is at an end; your letter has
this day appeared in the newspapers, and your views are deve-
loped. It is now quite evident that your object, and. that of
those with whom you act, was by. no means that of obtaining
the satisfaction which one gentleman may have a right to de-
mand from another. Your object, in fact, in thus publicly
parading your willingness to fight, was quite clearly neither
more nor less than that of casting a stigma on my father, on
the party of which I am one, and so, through us, to cast discredit
on the measures we advocate, and on the government of whom
we are the supporters.
"'Thinking it right that the public should know the real
character of this wretched manoeuvre, and pitying or contemn-
ing some of those who, without being ostensibly of your faction,
have weakly or basely lent themselves to it as your coadjutors,
I have thought proper thus to explain briefly the case, together
with its apparent and undoubted object, in order to prevent fur-
ther mystification.
" And I have considered you the most fitting medium through
whom to convey this succinct narrative to the public; but not,
I confess, in the vain hope of inducing a man whom I sincerely
believe to have been appropriately designated by my father,
and who, moreover, has been deliberately guilty, as I must con-
ceive you to be, of this utterly ungentlemanlike and braggadocio
mode of carrying on party warfare; not, I repeat, in the vain
hope of its inducing you to give me satisfaction, or to call upon
me for a meeting.
"' But still. lest 1 should wrong you in this surmise, not imi-
tating your example in giving this communication immediate
publicity, I will leave you intermediately a reasonable time
during which I have the honour to acquaint you that I am at

sour lordship's service, and to "facilitate any such possibility, I
have requested a friend to convey this to you.
" I have the honour to be, &c.
"` MORGA.N O'CONNELL.
"` To the Lord Alvanley, &c."
\-"'Shoitiv after I had communicated with Lord Alvanley, I
waited on Colonel Hodges at the Junior United Service Club.
Having obtained an interview with him, I formally protested
against the course Mr. Morgan O'Connell had thought it [wiper
to pursue, but at the same time informed Colonel Hodges that
Lord Alvanley was ready to meet Mr. Morgan O'Connel'
immediately.
" Colonel Hodges asked whether it should be this evening or
to-morrow. I replied this evening. Colonel Hodges then
acceded to my proposal, and added that as it was but half-past
six o'clock there would be still plenty of light.
"We then separated, and returning to our respectiv eprin-
cipals, accornpauied them a short distance out of town.
"As we were proceeding from our carriages to the ground,
Colonel Hodges took me aside and expressed his desire that the
affair should be amicably settled. Ile observed—' We are come
here to receive an apology from Lord Alvanley : he has caused
a requisition to be presented to the managers of Brookes's, urg-
ing them to turn Mr. Daniel O'Connell out of that club.' l
replied, that he could not have read the requisition, for that it
only required the managers to call a general meeting of the
club. I then recalled to the recollection of Colonel Hodges the
protest I had verbally made when I had previously seen him,
and I presented him with a written statement to the same effect.
this Colonel Hodges refused to accept; and he said that Mr.
Morgan O'Connell came there to demand satisfaction for the
insult offered to his father by the requisition made to Brookes's.
I then declared that Lord Alvanley's quarrel was with Mr.
Daniel O'Connell, and not with his son; but that as Mr. Mor-
gan O'Connell had thought proper to write to him to intimate
his conviction that Lord Alvanley would be afraid to meet him,
I had brought Lord Alcanley to the ground to prove the con-
trary; I again tendered my protest.
" I'he ground having been measured, and the parties placed
at a distance of twelve paces from one another, Mr. O'Connell's-
pistols were placed in their hands.
" Colonel Hodges and myself agreed that I should give the
signal to fire, and that it should be—' Make ready ! Fire!' 1
was proceeding to instruct the gentlemen concerned as to the
signals that were to be their guide, and had said, Geotlernen,
I shall use the following word—' Make ready! Fire!' when Mr.
O'Connell, thinking that I had given the signal, through mis-
take discharged his pistol. I had then a short discussion with
Colonel Hodges as to the light in which that shot was to be con-
sidered, when Lord Alvanley desired me to wave the right, I
conceived he had to return the fire.

" We proceeded to load again, and shots were exchanged
without effect. I then asked Colonel Hodges whether he and
his principal were satisfied ? The colonel replied that they
were not. That they still demanded an apology for the letter
to Brookes's. Here I felt a deep responsibility, and that my
situation was one of great embarrassment my first impression
was, that I was bound not to allow Lord Alvanley to be made
answerable to one man for a quarrel with another, and that his
having proved to Mr. Morgan O'Connell, by having received
two shots from him, how unfounded was his assertion that Lord
Alvanley was unwilling to meet him, I was then called upon to
put a stop to the proceeding by taking him off the ground. But
on second thoughts I judged it more desirable to alloU, the affair
to go on one step further, to pt event the possibility of any mis-
representation. of the subject.
.‘ After another exchange of shots without effect, I withdrew
Lord Alvanley from the field without his having made any
apology to Mr. Morgan O'Connell, or any withdrawal of what
he said respecting Mr. Daniel O'Connell.
" As we were leaving the ground, Mr. O'Connell said to me,
' Colonel Darner. I give you my honour that I fired that shot
by mistake, on which Lord Alvanley approached and said he
was satisfied Mr. O'Connell hail done so.

" GEORGE DAWSON DAMER."

MR. D'ISRAELI AND MR. O'CONNELL.

(No. I.)
31 A, Park-street, Grosvenor-square, Tuesday, May 5.
Sir,—As you have established yourself as the champion of
your father, I have the honour to request your notice to a very
scurrilous attack which your father has made upon my conduct
and character.

Had Mr. O'Connell, according to the practice observed among
gentlemen, appealed to me respecting the accuracy of the re-
ported express►ons before he indulged in offensive comments
upon them, he would, if he can be influenced by a sense of
justice, have felt that such comments were unnecessary. He
has not thought fit to do so, and he leaves me no alternative
but to request that you, his son, will resume your vicarious
duty of y►elding satisfaction for (he insults which your father
has too long lavished with impunity upon his political oppo-
nents.—l have the honour to be, Sir, your obed►ent servant,
Morgan O'Connell, Esq., M.P. B. D'ISRAELI.

(No. 2.)
9, Clarges-street, Tuesday, May 5.
Sir,—l have this day received a letter from you, stating that
a scurrilous attack had been made on you by my father, without
giving me any information as to the expressions complained of,
or when or where they were used, and which I now hear of for
the first time.

I deny your right to call upon me in the present instance, and
lam not answerabre for what my father may say. I called on
Lord Alvanley for satisfaction because I conceived he had pur-
posely insulted my father, by calling a meeting at Brookes's, for
the purpose of expelling him the club, he being at the time ab-
sent in Ireland.

When I deny your right to call on me in the present instance,
I also beg leave most unequivocally to deny your right to ad-
dress an insulting letter to me, who am almost personally un-
known to you, and unconscious of having ever g►ven you the
slightest offence. I must therefore request that you will with-
draw the letter, as, without that, it will be impossible for me to
enter into an explanation.—l have the honour, &c.,
B. D'lsraeli, Esq. M. O'CONNELL.
This letter will be delivered to you by my friend, Mr. French.

(No. 3.)
31 A, Park-street, Grosvenor-square, Tuesday, May 5.
Sir,—l have the honour to acknowledge the receipt of your
letter, delivered to me by Mr.- Filzstephen French, by which
I learn that you do not consider yourself " answerable for what
your father may say."
With regard to your request that I should withdraw my letter,
because its character is insulting to yourself, I have to observe
that it is not in my power to withdraw the letter, which states
the reason of my application ; but I have no hesitation in assur-
ing you, that I did not intend that it should convey to you any
personal insult.—l have the honour, &c., B. D'ISRAELI.
I feel it my duty to publish this correspondence.

(No. 4.)
TO MR. DANIEL O'CONNELL, M.P. FOR DUBLIN.
London, May 5.
Mr. O'Connell,—Although you have long placed yourself out
of the pale of civilization, still 1 am one who will not be insulted,
even by a yahoo, without chastising it.
When I read this morning in the same journals your virulent
attack upon myself, and that your son was at the same moment
paying the penalty of similar virulence to another individual on
whom you had dropped your filth, I thought that the conscious-
ness that your opponents had at length discovered a source of
satisfaction m►ght have animated your insolence to unwonted
energy, and I called upon your son to re-assume his vicarious
office of yielding satisfaction for his shrinking sire. • But it
seems that gentleman declines the further exercise of the pleas-
ing duty of enduring the consequences of your libertine
harangues. I have no other means, therefore, of noticing your
effusion but this public mode. Listen, then, to me.
If it had been possible fur you to act like a gentleman, you
would have hesitated before you made your foul and insolent
comments upon a hasty and garbled report of a speech which
scarcely contains a sentence or an expression as they emanated
from my mouth; but the truth is, you were glad to seize the
first opportunity of pouring forth your venom against a man
whom it serves the interest of your party to represent as a poli-
tical apostate.
In 1831, when Mr. O'Connell expressed to the electors of
Wycombe his anxiety to assist rue iu my election, I came for-
ward as the opponent of the party in power, and which I de-
scribed in my address as " a rapacious, tyrannical, and inca-
pable faction"—the English whigs, who 'in the ensuing year
denounced you as a traitor from the throne, and every one of
whom, only a few months back, you have anathematized with
all the peculiar graces of a tongue practised in scurrility. You
are the patron of these men now, Mr. O'Connell: you, forsooth,
are " devoted" to them. lam still their uncompromising oppo-
nent. Which of us is the most consistent? _ _

You say that I was once a radical, and now that I am a tory.
My conscience acquits me of ever having deserted a political
frieud, or ever having changed a political opinion. 1 worked
for a great and avowed end in 1831, and that was the restore
lion of the balance. of parties in the stirte, a result which I be-
lieved to be necessary to the honour of the realm and the happi-
ness of the people. I never advocated a measure which I did
not believe tended to this result, and if there be any--measures
which I then urged, and now am not disposed to press, it is be-
cause that great result is obtained.
In 1131 I should have been very happy to have laboured
for this object with Mr. O'Connell, with whom I had no per-
sonal acquaintance, but who was a member of the legislature,
remarkable fur his political influence, his versatile talents, and
his intense hatred and undisguised contempt of the Whigs.
Since 1831 we have met only once; but I have a lively re-
collection of my interview with so distinguished a personage.
Our conversation was of great length; I had a very ample op-
portunity of studying your character. I thought you a very
amusing, a very interesting, but a somewhat overrated man.
I am sure on that occasion I did not disguise from you my
political views : I spoke with a frankness which I believe is
characteristic of my disposition. I told you I was not a sen-
timental, but a practical politician ; that what I chiefly desired
to see was the formation of a strung, but constitutional govern-
ment, that would maintain the empire, and that I thought if the
whigs remained in office they would shipwreck the state. I ob-
served then, as was my habit, that the whigs must be got rid of
at any price. It seemed to me that you were much of the same
opinion as myself; butour conversation was very general. We
formed no political alliance, and for a simple reason—l con-
cealed neither from yourself, nor from your fi lends' the repeal of
the union was an impassable gulf between us, and that I could not
comprehend, after the announcement of such an intention how
any English party could co-operate with you. Probably you
then thought that the English movement might confederate with
you on a system of mutual assistance, and that you might ex-
change and circulate your accommodation measures of destruc-
tion ; but even Mr. O'Connell, with his lively faith in Whig
feebleness and whig dishonesty, could scarcely have imagined
that in the course of 12 months his fellow-conspirators were to
be my Lord Melbourne and the Marquis of Lansdowne.
admire year scurrilous allusions to my origin. It is quite
clear that the "hereditary bondsman" has already forgotten the
clank of his fetter. 1 know the tactics of your church; it
clamours for toleration, and it labours for supremacy. I see
that you are quite prepared to persecute.
With regard to your taunts as to my want of success in my
election contests, permit me to remind you that I had nothing
to appeal to but the good sense of the people. No threatening
skeletons canvassed for me; a death's-head and cross-bones
not were blazoned on my banners. My pecuniary resources, too,
wets limited; I am not one of those public beggars that we see
swarming with their obtrusive boxes in the chapels of your creed;
nor am 1 in possession of a princely revenue wrung from a
starving race of fanatical slaves. Nevertheless, I have a deep
conviction that the hour is at hand when I shall be more suc-
cessful, and take my place in that proud assembly of which Mr.
O'Connell avows his wish no longer to be a member. I expect
to be a representative of the people before the repeal of the
union. We shall meet at Philippi; and rest assured that, con-
fident in a good cause, and in some energies which have been
not altogether unproved, I will seize the first opportunity of
inflicting upon you ,a castigation which will snake you at the
same time remember and repent the insults that you have
lavished upon
BENJAMIN DISRAELI.

ROBERT MoNTGOMERY, THE POET.—The distinguished au-
thor of "The Omnipresence of the Deity," &c. was ordained
on Sunday last, by the Bishop of St. Asapb, to the curacy of
Whittington, near Oswestry.

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