The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1833-04-05 00:00:00

RUSSIA AND TURKEY.

TRISSTE, MARCH il7-:According to letters from Constanti-
nople of the 27th February, which have arrived here by an ex-
traordinary conveyance, the Russian minister, M. Butinieff, de-
clared to the Reis-. Effendi, that in consequence of the advance
of the Egyptian troops against Smyrna, he could not send back
the Russian fleet that came from Sebastopol, nor, without a
bpecial order from the Emperor his sovereign, countermand the
land force which the Sultan had asked for. A merchantman
which arrived here on the 17th, after a passage of 14 days from
Constantinople, likewise brings word that the Russian fleet was
still lying off Bujukdure, and that the Admiral had declared that
he could not sail away without orders from the Emperor. It was
also reported at Constantinople, that a Russian corps of 40,000
men would shortly arrive at Adrianople, where preparations were
already making for their reception. The ordinary post from Leg-
horn brings word of the arrival of a ship that left Constantinople
on the sth of March. According to the statement of the cap-
lain, 6000 Russians had landed near Constantinople, and the
Russian fleet of nine ships of the line which had still 4000
troops on board, had been reinforced by other men of war from
Sebastopol. It was asserted that the Emperor Nicholas was
hilly resolved not to withdraw either his fleet or his troops before
the Sultan should.declare that all differences with the Pacha of
egypt were adjusted to his satisfaction. All these accounts
seem, however, to require coisfirmatiou.

The Baroness Feucheres, to whom the Prince de Bourbon
bequeathed several millions of francs, finding that the rick
domains which she has inherited cost too much to keep them
up, and desiring, it is said, to quit France and settle in England,
her native country, has applied to the Court for licence to sell
the greater part of the estate of the Prince of Conde. The tri-
bunal has granted the licence pn condition that the proceeds,
with the exception of 300,000 francs, shall either be employed
in the purchase of real property, or invested in the public funds.
A letter from Avignon, dated the 19th ult. says :—" A most
desperate duel took place this afternoon, between two captains
of the 63rd regiment, quartered in this town. The youngest
first wounded his adversary, by the cutting off one of his
fingers. This so enraged the latter, that he made a furious
lounge, and they both immediately fell, the sword of each having
passed through the body of the other. The younger combatant
died almost instantaneously; his adversary survives at present,
but there is little hope of saving his life."—French Paper.

For the last two years a beggar woman has regularly travelled
the Oxford. circuit, arriving in the different assize towns as
punctually as the judges. She is a woman of abount 30 years
of 'age. She, walks the circuit, which is about 400 miles in ex-
tent, barefoot. carrying a child in her arms, and a wallet of
considerable size ather- heels.

WEST AND EAST INDIA MONOPOLIES

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD.

Stn,—As you have opened your columns to a long epistle,
signed "Mercator," on the subject of two petitions lately presented
to Parliament, from this town, praying for the removal of many
restrictions which at present oppress important branches of our
commerce and shipping, I hope you will not refuse insertion
to this reply, in which I hope, by fair argument and tem-
perate discussion, to show, that the petitioners have justice and
good policy in their prayer, and that the West and East India
monopolies are no " blessing" to the community, however be-
neficial they may be to Mercator.
I shall pass over the first part of his letter as unimportant to
the main question, and commence with that part in which he
states, we have already enough, if not too much, sugar and cof-
fee, and that my observations may be better understood. I will
quote his words :—" The articles referred to are not specified,
but it is clear that they can only be such, as we receive abun-
dant supplies of them from our own colonies in the East and
West Indies; these supplies are all brought by British vessels;
in quantity, particularly of sugar and coffee, they exceed our
consumption, leaving an excess for exportation,—more is there-
fore not required," &c. This is, indeed, an extraordinary ar-
gument for a "merchant" to use;—do we not import much
more cotton, flax, silk, and other articles than we consume, and
is not the surplus manufactured and exported, leaving behind
five, perhaps ten times the cost of the raw material in the la-
bour bestowed upon it? and is it not so much clear gain to the
country ? Would not this also be the case with sugar ? Should
we not import it in British ships to Liverpool, London, and
other ports of the kingdom, and re-export it to Germany, the
Mediterranean, the Baltic, &c. when manufactured, (refined,)
and gain by every hundred weight from twelve to fifteen shil-
lings in freights, charges, commissions, and the labour bestowed
upon it, which is now given to the Hamburguese and other fo-
reign shipowners and manufacturers? By what right, accord-
L ing to Mercator's reasoning, does Hamburg import, annually,
from 40 to 50,000 tons sugar, her own consumption not being
one-tenth that quantity ? Does she not refine the greater part
of this, and re-export it to the Baltic and German states, and is
not this done mainly, almost exclusively, on British capita',
forced upon her by British monopolies and restrictions ? Does,
not Liverpool possess many advantages over Hamburg, enti-
tling her to this important branch of commerce and manufac•
ture ? Have we not cheaper fuel, better machinery, lower
freights, (as the sugars from Brazil would come chiefly as bal-
last for cotton, and as a return for our manufacturers, not being
burthened with those profits and charges which the Hamburg
refiner must pay,) indeed this difference in favour of Liverpool
may be fairly estimated at 10 per cent., and I speak practically
when I assert that any Brazil merchant and shipowner would
rather contract to deliver to a Liverpool refiner sugars at any
fixed price than to a Hamburg one at an advance of 10 per cent.
What chance, then, could Hamburg have in the competition?
Why does she not spin cotton, and supply Germany and the
Baltic with yarns, as in this operation (being a free port) she
would have an advantage over the English spinner of nearly 10
per cent. by getting the raw material free of duty; yet British
capital, machinery, and industry, monopolize this trade, as it
would that of sugar refining, had it but an equal chance.

Besides our export trade, our home consumption of sugar and
coffee would be greatly extended, were the productions .of Bra-
zil admitted on reasonable terms of protection to the colonies,
which is all the Brazilian merchants and shipowners pray for,
and by so•much extend the employment of British shipping.
In the next paragraph Mercator says, "I consider the next
clause framed for the object of deluding the ignorant and ca-
sual reader. I beg to ask these petitioners whether all foreign
ships are not, in foreign ports, subject in all respects to similar
charges and commissions that British ships are liable to, take,
for example, such as Hamburg, Amsterdam, Petersburg, and
Trieste, and is not the chance iu such instances for British ves-
sels, procuring freights for ports in the united kingdom, greater
than that of foreigners to procure such to the countries to which
they belong ? and do not British vessels possess the advantage
of going loaded from home on their outward voyages, a facility
and benefit which few foreigners enjoy ? So much for these
assertions."

If Mercator is really a merchant, and a West India merchant
and shipowner, I cannot better answer these queries than by
asking him, whether he could afford to carry his sugars from the
West Indies to Hamburg as cheap as to Liverpool, having at
the former to entrust the management of his ship, and pay com-
missions to a foreign agent, and when his vessel has discharged
her cargo to have her brought round to Liverpool, or sent back
to the colonies in ballast; for such is precisely the case with the
vessels belonging to the Brazilian merchants. As to Bri-
tish ships getting better out-freights when sailing from Liver-
pool I admit, for the limited extent of shipping so employed;
but as each outward cargo of manufactures will purchase three
or four of sugar, cotton, &c. in return, three times the extent of
British shipping would be required'to bring home that produce
were it admitted to the use and consumption of this kingdom.
But a British ship sailing from this country in ballast cannot
compete with a Hamburguese ship trading to Hamburg, any
more than the Harnburguese ship could afford to come to Li-
verpool and pay to us those heavy charges for management and
commissions, which the British shipowner now pays to them;
thus, it is evident, a large extent of carrying trade is lost to the
British shipowner, being displaced by the foreigner, and that by
the aid of British capital.
Thirdly, 1 quote from Mercator the following :—" But the
next clause shows the cloven foot; it contains the cream of the
petition, and puts forth the true object to which theie petitioners
appear to have lent themselves. It shows pretty clearly who
the parties are with whom this petition has originated, for they
do not hesitate to prayfor the admission for home consumption of
the sugar and coffee of the Brazils; on which it may be re li
-
markd, without calling in aih that protection which is justly
due and given to British colonial interests, that such produce
is the fruits, not only of slave labour of the worst possible cha-
racter, over which we have neither influence nor control,. such
as we possess in our own colonies, but of a trade in slaves
carried on legally, until within the last two years, when it was
outwardly abolished, though still known to be the source of a
continued illegal traffic."
The cloven foot ! Don't hesitate to pray for the admission of
sugar, &c. for consumption, indeed ! And why not for consump-
tion ? Mercator writes as though he held in his hand a charter,
with some twenty years to run upon it, or some other right by
which he holds his monopoly, beyond that of an annual bill,
renewable or revocable at the pleasure of Parliament, and
about to expire within a few weeks when the petitioners' prayer
was presented to the house.
Does Mercator consider the West India planter, who pays. no
taxes, entitled to greater protection than the heavily taxed pro-
prietor of lands in Devonshire and Cornwall ? Is not corn ad-
mitted for consumption, and are not the minerals of South
America also admitted for use or consumption, and why should
not sugar and coffee? Moreover, there is no bounty given on
the exportation of corn like that on refined sugar, the effect of
which is to raise prices and limit consumption at home, and
give it at a cheap rate to the foreign consumer.

Mercator cannot doubt, or, if he does, let him ask his broker,
whether the price of British plantation sugar, during the past
nine months, has not been, quality for quality, in the British
market, from 40 to 50 per cent. dearer than Brazil and other
foreign kinds; and Jamaica coffee from SO to 100 per cent. Is
this to last for ever ? Is ourshipping interest to be depressed,
oui refiners ruined, and the people taxed to the extent of two

or three millions annually, on these important ae,
our comforts and commerce, for the benefit of a few
mortgagees ; to enable them to extract from the
rious terms for their loans, and extravagant fr
ships? The poor mortgaged planter has really
terest in it; for every sixpence he is enabled to
the necessary expenses of his plantation, is
the mortgagee, who, if he cannot get to the fall
" bond," (which, by the evidence taken before
the House of Commons, last session, appears W be
cent. per annum, exclusive of discounts and other
must content himself with what he can get7llll°
annual clamour in Parliament for further protection,
restriction, or increased bounty, to relieve what he
distress of the planter."
Next, as to slave labour. If this argument
thing as against Brazil sugar and coffee, it must
to the cottons of that empire, as well as to the
and rice, of the United States; but, even were tiler°
in this argument, why prohibit the coffee of St.
Java, the sugars of Manilla, China, and the

lago, the produce of free labour, which that of
not ? And, were these admitted for use and
double the quantity of British tonnage would be
the greater length of the voyage. Moreover,
paid for entirely by British manufactures, whilst
planter takes a large portion of his supplies
States, and pays for them (in part, if not wholly)
his mortgagee.
I then come to the following :—" It was st
from the Brazil merchants, lately presented

Commons, that because the sugar of that coi

mitted to be refined here, British vessels sent
manufactured goods were at times forced to '

This is not correct. I fiave read over the peti'
and there is no such statement in it, either
I will not, however, charge Mercator with not

lar about the selection of his facts or the acci
•

ments," in order to make out his case ; but I aus
lieve that he intended to allude to the Remarks
of the Brazilian Association" upon it, when it is
although four British vessels on the average have
from 'this port (Liverpool) to Rio de Janeiro,
our manufactures, not one has returned, duriui
last year, freighted with Brazilian produce from
though affording ample loading of coffee, sugar,
ductions." Doubtless many of these vessels did
verpool in ballast, from Hamburg or other cc
but not from Brazil; and I will again ask Mere
the case in the West India trade, whether he vo
British, and employ Hamburguese ships, mil(
power as mortgagee enabled him to charge 4
cwt. freight, whilst the Hamburguese ships wf

sugars at 2s. 6d. to 35., which have been the

tween Brazil and Hamburg for the last two or
British as well as Hamburguese ships.—yours,
Liverpool, March 30. MERCATOR
P.S.—The slave trade in Brazil is not 'only
tually abolished, and the government are as sin,
in carrying into effect the treaty with this cot
strenuous abolitionist could desire.

[Our correspondent will observe that we ha
expressions, and a few sentences, which had
with the general argument. We are always re;
play, but we insist upon our imperial prerogati
mangle, murder, of mutilate all superfluous nal
the STANDARD.)

THE DISFRANCHISEMENT Q

TO THE EDITOR, OF THE LIPERPOOL

Stn,—l am absolutely so overjoyed at the
malignant and contemptible faction which has
deavouring to deprive the truly honest and 1.
gesses of this town of their birthright, that I aln
observations I am about to make will be some'
Our enemies have unwittingly done us gre,
have established our innocence, and proclaim]
that all their bellowing about bribery and cort
the fantasy of their own depraved minds and
tions. Poor infatuated and ignorant souls !
allow themselves for a moment to imagine that
date could have been ejected by any other than
a systematic adoption of the most barefaced
have been dared to the proof, and how have tl3
But I will not dwell upon the acts of this delu.
finger of scorn is already sternly pointed again
they can pass it by with heads erect, I pity the
their feelings.
Surely Mr. Ewart will not dare to have the
again to solicit the vote of a burgess. As to 10
is quite out of the question, for it would be inc
that he would suffer himself to be again put iu
candidate to represent what he has ungratefully
ingly designated a base and corrupt borough.

Perhaps, sir, you could inform your readers at
the late investigation has been prosecuted. 1 •
been at the expense of the petitioners, for two
because it is an expense with which the nation
saddled; and secondly, because I Conceive the
restoring the petitioners to their senses will be bl
upon their purses. There can be only one
shameful expenditure of money, by dragging to
who knew no more about the matter than the a
I trust the gallantry of the petitioners or mangy
table scrutiny will be more conspicuous than tlk
sagacity; and, if so, doubtless that paragon of
grace, Mrs. Robinson, will be escorted down t°
one of the firm of Messrs. Rathbone, Wyberg,
and she will have no cause to quake for fear, if'i
committed to the gentle care of the senior partner.

And now permit me, Sir, (through your CO'
upon the burgesses of Liverpool, to mark the PI
a signal manner. Let them celebrate the evePt
ner (for it is a good honest John Bull custom),
burgesses whose finances will not enable them to
galed at the expense of the more wealthy porpf
opponents may turn up their noses at this pr(
mind ;—it is no wonder, for they have already
tiety of the good things of this life at " Tit E GOO'
but at whose cost is best. known to themselves,--'
April 4, 1833. AN UNJUSTLY CALUMNIA

NORTHERN HOSPITAL—In another part of
report of a committee appointed to inquire into
of providing a medical and surgical institution
of the town. The grounds alleged are the
that part of the town, from the great increase.
and the distance and inadequacy of the presen
the public are satisfied with the reasons addu&.,
ought to take up the question earnestly, either
project, or to carry it into effect with becorai
proof of necessity, we have before observed,
mend the erection of a new Infirmary, in prefe
posed appropriation of the unoccupied accm-
North Dispensary. As we cannot limit the
would be nothing to provide against an ultitne
measure, when the cost would be superadded to
inconvenience of the partial experiment. At,
new proposal is open to the objections of thos.t
of the connexion between the two branches of 't'
glad to see that this proceeding has not orig'o
feeling amongst the friends of the charities ;
ith
the projectors express a desire to co-operate'
stitution, and profess only an anxiety prote 0,
relief for the sufferings of the poor, and to es
of the medical and surgical professions.—Li'
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( Cenclude,l fiom page 307.)
there or not. Ile, however, felt no unwillingness
the point.
;'fit, was anxious that his Majesty's ministers should
41U1 and his friends to a division on this subject. The
as, whether there were no means by which this im-
be avoided ? Were there no funds that might be
the purpose which the noble lord had in view ? And,
whether it was not possible immediately—that was to
course of a very short time—to provide for the
of the vestry cess. (Hear, hear) He conceived the
would be to take a public vote for whatever might be
that sum to be secured on the revenues of the church.
IT.' He and his hon. friends were ready to meet the
They admitted that the vestry cess to
, and that something should be done with refer-
therevenues of the church ; but all they asked
orary pause hould no danger
'se from a temporarys be
delay: Thegrante noble lord might
of the immediate abolition of the cess after the
recess. (Hear, hear.) They admitted the pro-
ishing this cess—they conceded the necessity of
ision in lieu of it; they only asked for time, that
at might be just and complete.
Inoue said there would be nothing inconsistent in
' resolution now with anything that might hereafter
the committee on the bill. The house had decided
necessary to lay these resolutions before a commit-
nole house, and the passing them would not prevent
being
made with reference to this resolution in
on the bill. This proceeding did not preclude
acing alterations hereafter. le had no wish to
al(l,9esion to a division; but, suppose they postponed
tn, and onlpassed the first and third, still provi-
, made in the bill for the second resolution. That
'e to be considered by a committee of the whole house,
Realer delay would take place.
4ielii-Jwished the noble lord either to admit the quali-
'pos-ai that and his friends approved of, or to concede the
he inc existing interests should be exempted. So
re nelined to stickle for forms, that he would not op-
agres6it'utiells, on.the understanding that the noble lord
(.1. NI/ tthis alternative.
rere Call INN objected to the resolution as it now stood.
Itlae -e`l o With. vote a tax, the amount of which they
11:lilted They ought to specify in the resolu-
Atrftanlount of the tax would be.
'isite :II? said the argument of the right hon. gentle-
the,'elated to the difference between taxing ‘the pre-
iuture incumbent. On that point he did not think
ag'c°llld then come to a decision. The right hon.
- willing to let the resolutions
.pass, provided he
) adulated a certain qualification which was for-
allieluber, if that were declined, provided that he
') of the gOvernment, pledge them not to bring.
4at„ ~
Pc)sition for imposing a tax on the present incum-
g' as he was, he could only say, that he was pre-
Proposition his most serious consideration.
- say, and. more he could not say. (Hear, hear.)
;.‘v certainly thought that, in common justice, the exr-
itehet of the present incumbents should not be bu -
oP tax. The noble lord had greatly exaggerated
i:, vestry cess that was devoted to purelyecelesias-
-(eNsilrvh,en he estimated it at £60,000 or £70,000 a-
'eta of haw) had taken great pains in ascertaining
that it ex.cl usive vestries, andthe result of his
not amount to more than £28,000 per

state,„ said that he had already stated all that he
tath
ad to the hon. baronet, and he thought
statedthe hadright satisfied that right hon. gentleman.
I e state of the Irish church and the amount of its
townsd of opinion that the tax substituted for, and to
Jaes, the Purposes of, this cess, should be deducted from
(he 't of the present, but of the future incumbents
Qotar.)
llu "N was ready to make a great sacrifice of indivi-
'tQe tot on this occasion, provided the noble lord would
thi'sinu. that existing interests should not be made
kouidlx• If the noble lord would only make that sa-
of t,i,;,,ue net by a large corresponding sacrifice upon
Aia.„ &Lou.
Irva.,;°k,P was surprised that the right hon. gentleman
;' "'tun his experience of the situation in which he
kor:-P) Was now laced, that it was impossible for him
heatalt Present than he had said upon this subject.—
, 44,14,,
h,e'llPed that after the candid statement which the
711, made, he would refrain from pledging himself
Proper time for doing so should arrive. The
~bleeasure was to reform the church of Ireland, and
"" should be directed to remove this tax where there
-Zion for a church, and to allow it only where a
to theltsted. He trusted that the noble lord would not
the e Party to which he had alluded, so as to give just
When he found good reasons stated for his. doing so,
'4 tit- said, that when the noble lord had said. that
.he
urld e. Proposition the most favourable co.nsider,ation
ie"hout pleuging his colleagues, he (Sir H. 1 eel),
;Leo, wold sa that it was as much as could be ex-
;"' nobleu lord.y
is„ectvA L was satisfied that the noble lord had given
-stance to a sense of justice, and not to any party.
this
that this measure for the reform of the church
.."I,s grand panacea for the evils of that country,
,in'ertief only to the amount of thirty thousand pounds
%bland starvin people of Ireland. There appear-
°th sides oft he house a rivalry as to who should
de uphold the Protestant establishment in Ireland:—
kis" had been said about the distress of the Irish
ersiw, t, he would defy the hon. and learned member for
Ie vi.Y of Dublin to show that there was a year's tithe
rgY tit' Ireland. It should not be forgotten, on the
that at this moment there were one million of able-
' who were willing to work, and who were not able
lerteew;da• It should be also recollected that every
' that country had been latterly more or less
circumstances. The clergy had not been, as was
cots the sole sufferers, and their interests did not demand
deration.
TH°ur. said, that he did not hope that this measure
a Panacea for the evils of Ireland. He had brought
imposition for a reform of the church in Ireland,
It mean that it should be an abolition of the church

;114? the chairman then read the second resolution;
4,°w, ,
Ing words which it was proposed to insert after
°„1 £200"—" graduated so as in no instance to ex-
-411,e-nt• per annum upon each."
the (IToN was glad to find that the noble lord had
hParpPosition of the right hon. baronet in the mam-
a °, member Warburton) fully agreed with the
rned for Dubdn, that they should always
112- with existing interests.
t N,said, that lie would beg leave to withdraw the
b which he had given notice, in order that no
4,_(e) interposed in of the measure.
ra'r wished theresolutions to be agreed to without
o 4 the understanding that the noble lord was to take
4 ef
duration ht hon. baronet (Sir R. Peel) into his
vErii expressed a hope that existing interests would
He also thought that the proposition, should not
ili-rgYmen who possessed small incomes.
t 0
the
said, that as he did not mean to offer any
ortne resolutions, he wished to guard himself against
, ,inconsistency, which might hereafter be brought
ki,'„llen the bill should proposed ntroduced. Ile approved
",,18 as far as they pp to reduce the church
„4: In Ireland, but of the appropriating part he eri-
'4.°Yed• It was much to be lamented that when the
,4,:4 imposing a tax upon persons, he did not appro-
Cluce of that tax, not to ecclesiastical purposes,
eef of those who were groaning under intolerable
r.)
I°l2B were then agreed to, and the house resumed.
FLOGGING IN THE ARMY.
on the Mutiny Bill was brought up, and the
agreed to.
Arr expressed a hope that ministers would now at-
into effect the opinions which they had so long
euti out of office, relative to the propriety of abo-
Le hi. and degrading punishment of flogging in the
I,a_u to thank- the noble lord opposite for the support
4,eften given him upon former occasions when he
Idilad brought forward motions for the abolition of
therefore he hoped that as the noble lord now
et'ilxilver of carrying his wishes into effect, this bar-
(eh I,`:_e ,would at length be put an end to. The argu-
it 4Q usually been advanced in defence of flogging,
h"as necessa to maintain the discipline of the
-ever could admit •plea.
. the validity of that ln
if in which there Was no flogging, the discipline
not better than in regiments where the cat was
returns which had been ordered of the number of
which had occurred during the present and
not yet been made. He was aware that the pu-
les frequently resorted to now than formerly;

rago
iportant necessse
•ixe, Placed ti i
efit of a few
from the plat( rilltee.d thueeproei
rant freights f force hi}.„EL wa
i
is really little or `1311°,11 w,,C's and
nab led to spare, ieeht bear
ni, is swallol'.4 e all°, the PuNrl
to the full extent t°l. of
n before aCO w‘°ll. of tit:telrs€
pears to be about iread) would 117,e
' that 0
s and other f II ri hear.‘ sum
i get, renewing 14.1r_d half
wl-1
er protection, eete oshed, and'a
sill th the
,eve what he c ilia at a terev,
e 4aarti•Se fori;tli!)
rgument is r
at :01,4ice of th
;e, it must ego ' king of 7, rece,
,s to the cotton, tig pro'llhit
'l2 were there Oieng„,,niesnion
fee of St. DOlll ' iti'tkiitlltoitt.:
nd the
the
:Ij:red lishresolu
1 that of the ell o? was .' the
use and eel, a';`.loititreoatil'conheocleessh',
would be req et,t7laii4teeheinl
oreover, theF,‘,4 !re trll?klaa. n'll
Ili
'a, whilst the '' .1 • 4 repo clue making
Wiles frota tile °4 tsZtatioisi I°L
,Y4'ali hat be 111 an
.ot wholly) 111 0 411th re to bad(
, ~r cati'ir .t. keateer :
i
was stated,'" cos Which wt
esented to lit Pro
leh he
I: wa heal that
that countrl4j)
els sent oat Vclajesoiaethr
ed to return , o'. eel' to 1°:
ofy ey ~, • W. 14111
4
the petitioe ,ere o were caller
either direr LI WitlatAllaiate
vith not beingto o,a At e anlci
he ace ur aeg9: . . ilt and° PPositiloßp
but lao 011:1 eo theetrela
Remarks Of 0 A I,,ltieriliteetlctUr
• when it is =tats erd. ATI Was t
surd tl' ' fadedth or]) Ilvi
rage have
~ -141'd,r t a
e Janeiro, free. 414 arti a inetnioL
ned, during tilt ~LB4. I.Propos?'
luce from that led to I,,,taateet,,
ree, sugar, an It he 4 the
. oil .t, 8 ald ,
vessels did re 0 114 •,,itaw ee -3
other contid ;I , teNlaiteitiests
orp
ask lifercatotif , Qlkouotthis to
they he would °. ar.Pllpos°f ves
;hips, unless, i° anto'llie (-iillr'lle
charge 45•6, i',,Y,waslit,t,°f theS:
ships were 1.;',,. ' that it
been the carrell Idtp.THe.
ist two or three' itil','llatteh ill tRPt,
--Yours, B:e'ff, !4',1,1g atefishade;
OR BRAZIL devZ he 7 sti
not -only leg'A: I.i4N4ste Ca: '
are as sincere !It:, ~,(1•1 ',nt (1)
h this couatrY4•.ll,'''eueCt.)
'4l-I't.lillg ay"
*et Z to him
at we have lefl,', Fe, it wthis tax
thick had Do g it`ttle of°t°4ld hc
always read'''. iotAl.The ho'
48 IN aW -:t
I prerogative' ii, Atteze, P
rfluous matte' ~,.: taargerpt I.°
11','• he: atihw
1,!.
,iiciiir) .... r
- e. he a)r4 t hop,
:NT QUBSI` 'lttrtattil had in
t„uf tall the t
?RPOOL STA':,, t,:teat„blei,
at the discod,' .te„,e°ai°: 811 a
vhich has beer' eStinitt-gati
est and ivide• '4 iota theexast
1., that I fun 'o. ..it4l,, ALtzlie Pe3c,a,
be somewha,' lit 114',1,y wttleiap.
ie us great 9e, ilikiv ttl, 71,
I proclaimed e toteil the-a..
y and corrupti ielPeed wit!:
-gi fro lene
inds and blasr sei°l,,,tee'
at souls ! the). :I!ltitil:it„,-(
agile that their t‘Pi.! last'''
fit N s au,
ether than foal , 1144, tiV(l t
wr 0 am is „
barefaced hriw.,',' tr;Lttire,.,reti i
)w have tbeY ''', til,;:e ilitt.h,,,q e:
f this deluded i 'tt 14 °lta. hod
,inted against • , tailtel,
:t, I pity the ' Ltlipe_ow, id
, ti, rsit„ e
.thge el J Of
, have the effre' ed kid, rg.y, t
As to Mr. fl.; a:en, I:ht a
,uld be roadne!io, `:;1116e(i• Pe-r°,
air put iu neoili (le' ilaeltitl wi
ungratefully of' il.leted, his eir,
borough. Ate as iedsec
r readers at icb,t 41'41'ov:tit, kpl
citted. I triotP li'tlthi; na Pan
ors, for two tea:, el4„i'l, n't'.°Pe
the nation 00C; ttlll-1. ' me
inceive the oly It;e,folliiiAt., ti
sex will be by $.O Vs ~°vvring
snly one °pod,' q,,, 12ent
ragging to 1,0 44,1 th--uoirr
than the matt iid .„l'lleetpro„(i
ns or managels ' teqll4,llea'r4t:l-.'
tons than their . •,64tettly
weidti
paragon of ofi' 0 „"eott°N sai
rted down to vi ,-.'y 6°l
le, Wyberg, °I) l'llioirco-i'ate
for fear, if 'elle q-e's ea tnj
ti
do
ue
senior partnef',o t, I,le ~ 4 Of
Igh your eoltifro, ot;uttit'vnsid
aark the preseill ;t te(l. viiil
to the evert hi °i ..°4 eler,
00 tlr, PritbnJn
'inn CUSt0111), Ant/. A 4,4 to a. uL;
,able them to "" „)trge 0 the i
eealthy portiollA N tti,ll f inc
at this pr0p0572) 'li,i,e4eheu
Lye already Par ' n, afinu,
"THE Goos:;$, l's-ipat in.
hemselves,.--4 oir ,' 4t1.4 1,1:re."(
CALumfNi.4.lo ,',tle was in
..rteN' e ret?'l4'
J: (I el
, at l', tea,„ le '
er part 01 0, 'I), u,. ar,
inquire into tletbe" ' , `l'Ons
institution at.,,isi ,1150,..
are the pre'c't t t. 'tut's' on
eat increase 100 hut agr,
the present ,e to ,:tt e
ions adduced,,ro ~,letf arry ix
iestly, either.`isis th,*liett't
th becoming ''Pdt, ' lie cruel
observed, ile,;ce, it had t
l'3r, in prefere'pvt "ate,rit ad oft
red acconare°,ol, • ;!i ahe) had
limit the P°'r? 'a ti 74 th
5t an ultiniafe‘e O. I,IIN epo ,
peradded to 91 4111 th hlet!tie Iv
ment, At thei",„ 0 rat tqf had
ors of those '''!'el),'J' the was
,ranches of oi,:1-,t,e, 4,1 -(tiritneve
has not origi,‘niitv, 1,404-uts,
, charities ; with tli,,'. 5t he 'if n
o-operatew.'„o.o' 'N Ito teta,
ety to proviu'aty t haggill
and to estelel r wet 1,1
ions.—Lirerr 48 le;