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attention. It was the case of a lady the sister of the
a case to the house, to which he begged to call thei!
guished officers, all of Whom (lied engaged of oD
of their country. She Was left with the children
brothers to provide for, and she was also obligeadrto.;
to the support'of an aged father; yet not one f
government, even after repeated applications, gir.a.,ll
lady, in consideration of the services of her garbj
until his present Majesty was appointed Lord ?g,,,j
when by his kindness she was put in possession oti x";
Now he begged to put the case of this young lady 1
with that of Miss Rosamond Cruiser. (Cheers"
seemed to have been to give the largest pensio,n,s,e,
least services had been performed ; but he hoped
,',l
principle would be acted- upon in that reforraeclharli
(Hear, hear.) Sir Robert Seppings, a man rrh,°,s,ho
country hundreds of _thousands of pounds, dila '
in the service upwards of 50 years, was pift dowo_
served only 39 years, that his pension might be
entl 7
£760. The gallant admiral next called the att
house to the condition of the pursers in the WY,
described as a most valuable class of persons, and r'
their claims were not sufficiently attended to by t-
He had no doubt that he should be told that pursers
made their fortune. That might be the case dal
but the per centage allowed them hail beouigr(
since that period. He did hope that the Frst
Admiralty would turn his attention to the sito
neglected class of persons, and do them s°'
justice. If pensions were taken from the uncles,
would be plenty of money to bestow on the meritoq
hear.) With respect to sinecures, all he would
that he conceived the principle which had been
house of granting a specific sum as the sr
eminent services, such as those of Sir F. FoleY a
Saumarez, for example, worthy of copiisideratiou,
choice did not remain solely with?, he it
t,h'at
Admirality. If it were made compl. sory on f
propose a vote for eminent services, he should Pre
of extraordinary remuneration to, a sittegitre,
al
if it rested solely with him he should .prefer the
He had: some remarks to offer also on the system
the command of the marines to officers of an
which he should submit on a future occasion.
Mr. HUME could not, for the soul of him, see on vi.x
nisters could justify their keeping such an enorrile;,
naval force. We were at peace with the world, so that
tification was the protection of our commerce ; but
force was not required far that purpose. America 1)(,)
merce very nearly equal to ours, and yet six vessei
found to efficiently- protect the American Ong all, °I
while we kept up a force of 118 fully equipped sau,
elusive of transports, to protect our commerei3'
Would not half this force be sufficient for the puree t
' call upon them to at once reduce the naval expenoiturii
in 1792, before the war, but to act on the recommend
mince committee of 1817, and adapt the amount to

and commensurately to their enormous taxation•
this desirable end, he would propose as an am,
present vote be reduced from 27,000 seamen to 20,200, 4
equal to the wants of the country.
Alr. G. Youxu had heard with great satisfaction that
vice was growing so popular that they might, Ire foe,
course to the odious system of impressment. (ileaT'l
person brought that subject forward;:, he would in the
session, by moving that it be.referredto a select cee:,
Mr. C. floss, amid much coughing and cries of
understood to say that he doubted much the advanta4
solidatien of the Navy and Victualling Boards.ri
WoUl-cl require at least twelve months more before the
ronet's (Sir J. Graham)
.predictions were realized.
Mr. GUEST did not think the circumstances of the
admit of a reduction to the extent proposed by the hfr
Middlesex, and therefore could not vote for 'his B',o
should have no objection to reduce the number by 2,0‘
The committee then divided:—

For Mr. Hume's amendment.. ............. ••'
Against it • • •

Majority
On our re-admission to the gallery we found
Mr. limos proposing an amendment to reduce the c°te
the committee, 1.955,220 for the wages of seamen'
_
£6,910. Nothing, he said, could be more objecti.l
present mode of lumping and huddling
.together. 11.112 L,
title of " wages of seamen," the salaries of adultr‘r: the
other officers, including; sinecurists. Why not, as.:
mates, state each officer's pay under its proper heaecwhitiv
present huddling mode was retained from the faciliti3,
ed for sinecures and useless offices. iyl
Sir J. GRAHAM said the offices alluded to did not fmr ote,
designation of sinecures. These marine appointniellt!eds.9
naval men, as best acquainted with the discipline
kept up on board men-of-war.
After some discussion, the t ommittet divided.
For the Amendment . . . .
Against it

Majority . . . . • • .1
The ornal vote was then agr to.
The sum ene ed
of £438,004 was th voted for victuals for 6e
marines.
The house resumed, and the Chairman reported Pr6c'
tamed leave to sit again.
num cnuneu. the
Lord ALTITORP postponed the resolutions relative A
Ireland to Monday next. 017
The Scotch Revenue Bill went through committee'
was ordered to be received this day. pcoliais
The Stafford Bribery Bill, as amended, was read a,,S-scotc
Mr. KENNEDY moved the second reading of the
Police Bill. seal
Mr. It. STEWART objected to this bill being read a
account of its not having been printed.
The second reading was accordirviy postponed.
TUESbAY. ve o
The gallery was not opened till a quarter Past „ide
consequence of there being a ballot for three confi ,40
election petitions, impeaching /he returns for tbe
ampton, the borough of Ripon, and the city of C°'
HOUSE AND WINDOW TAX. 50,0'
The Sheriffs of London appeared at the bar Coo
from the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Common
city of London, against the house and window.tas
LIVERPOOL ELECTION. • 3betil
The order of the day for the attendance of °jitter°
son at the bar was then read; and immediately eh-leit et
was called in and placed at the bar. She was !'oct.l)"
by the Speaker. Her answers were very inis`lo gala
the gallery, indeed the greater part of them vielheard
ble. We give the examination, however, as We ,
What is your name ?—Elizabeth Robinson- ,
You were summoned as a witness on the 1.0
erP
committee, were you not?—Yes.
You were asked questions by that committee
dined to answer, were you not ?—Yes. tl°
What was your reason for declining to answfe,
dons ?=Because I was in apprehension for my 1100 P;
You were in apprehension of risk to your PI -die?
swered the questions put to you?—l was afro.' ,
an
Iwwaed them.
t res
not from any wish, then, to conoeal an)
afriii
committee that you declined to answer ?---1 was
mentioned what I knew they would take my i. '
Have you the same feeling of alarm now whicOorei
you declined to answer the questions put to yne,,,ook,
mittee?—The witness gave an answer of some for
the only words audible in the gallery were "I ", Yellf
Have you been threatened by any one, or haste'o'yee
son for supposing that any harm will liapPen °beg
if you answer ?—I have been threatened by
person. hoese
By Mr. ROBINSON.—WiII you state to the e goe
person is who threatened you if you answerer' tb, .
fore the committee ?—I dare not tell. •
The witness was then ordered to withdraw..,..Teret
Mr. BANNERMAN (the chairman of the 341-itoess,
committee) then moved that the order for the-
ance be discharged. tbjo
Mr. BENETT seconded the motion but. -1"
which he occupied under the gallery, what lie sal
ing it was inaudible in the gallery.
to onehm
portance ? The subject matter into which the ,(30,
E_quCOellstlidonn—otv,a,asssetnhtetoe:tihdiesupereoio)ofsitthi
this
olio
to inquire was bribery; and if the witness on be'lsel'
knew whether bribes had been_ given, and 110111
whom, declined to answer, the whole
trated, supposing she were now diseiharged- rid W 9
Mr. BENETT again addressed the house, a-that
most inaudible. We understood him to say, root
which the committee had in view would not be P
in,g this witness any further questions.
Lord HF.NNIKER (we believe) said that to
.hill;;;Ii
material that this witness should be pressed gitlif
commttiec had now sat for five days; and 'l,ll ei, o!$,)
proved before it was that £32 3s. 6d. had 1-.'ico
Ibis witness was called to prove that a btl
been offered and received;- and she would
of the Pei
name of the person who paid, or the name °ss bet
received the bribe. If the house did not pre ea, le,
swer, the whole inquiry might as well be stoPP
audio
Mr. BENETT again spoke and was again Pit the
too 00
An hon. Member (name unknown) sal •de
tion on which the house was called on to declidencp
the witness justified in refusing to give,°l%,cr witthat.
said was, that some person had threatened aed c!'
case she gave evidence. Now,. he appre'c ;fist bed`,
were in England sufficient to protect her agaot to
tion. The witness, in his opinion, ought n thee ale
Ile of
upon the grounds which she had stated.
house 'should be made acquainted with the

p.d threatened the poor woman, as he migh
!it culprits. ear, hear.)
(R
8. Ricx said that the real question at isst
Luse would allow itself to be stopped in an;
,the bare averment of the party themselve
other evidence that they had been jut
Pag the truth) (near, heal. ) lle was inc
'cane . • , •
c ot the witness at the bar, to think
i7the truth when she said that she had bee
1 011 Se
ought not to consider that point I
bjetuiciples involved in a case of this 'rah
~,. 11 a matter of discretion with the coma
'iritopht this witness to the bar of the how
)o the committee had brought the witne:
, ght that the house would not discharge i
it,' ilcrffer, it it let the question drop ; On
anger inducements to the timid witneSs to
irtifi
cein tothe coerupt witness to screen his
n„
this his power. If the house shoulc "`t" witness under the circumstances i
1., would acquiesce in that in which he w.
,:b,f justice in the country would acquie
,`Lear, hear.) In a word, if the house
h",,,,11°1v proposed it would be unworthy t
ficikLiar!Zda itish.sa
that
ini
ad ohuagdh t c
ot omabdicatethe
rti• Member for Cambridge. If the
illswer he saw no alternative but re,
°r°o which the house had always hithc
instance.
IttnnmAx begged leave, as chairman of t:
IY eth ambers of the committee had h
in assuring the witness that
),•.111 ha in
as tat as the law could prote.
14- atikgested that if the time for
.re
e,3vitness till to-morrow, and some hien
~;4`Z„acivise her, she might then, perhai
lic her'efore advised that she
.L'lwi'lnd brought again to the bar to-mor
Otiß "P stiVected that the witness shout!
tiCtehtvenht ':urround her with all th,...
It to her t, it l','ouicl insist upon her answers
SRN °v the cOminittee.
r treed the house should recollect, tha'
e, 1, arlswer the questions nut to he
ste hitsrefused to answer any qt
bee— se. The questions put to her by a
. wit put to her by the house.
the ••11411VEY curled upon the house, to
,li.,V,rittiess was evidently influenced 1.)) ter
14(1, the eEect at terror was to mut.
icattneut of me.cri Some person was
Illlgelf froth the conviction of guilt,
r%‘,„,ll,ich would follow his conviction,
illet•-"tht. lhough she was innocent, !
aor, tillidation to protect the crimintd. I
itge'stion'
1.,,1 of Lord Althorp, and propo.
38211,-;„"` of protection, and told to appea
ltt--'4 to-morrow, mid to answer all qu.
panink it expedient to put to her.
ihw-Cl;editaelniessul of thtoe tPaeki-rtnhatw
'47hlithikelLtics::taidtidthsew.Twgeltlistedssthwaats,
'%N took it for granted that when the
I:„ith Powers to.send for papers, per
touch would resent any disobedience
‘, at I,'„,",as it would resent any disobedie.ne
hie tn-",` unr. Ile took it for grunted thatl
%tan had rerused to answer were cons:i
t-e 'e,questions of importance ; for it
°,,,l_elied t answer, the house had no c
-.4crce anoanswer to the question by
wil•ly:,71)1)*
Ist,voubri.,c.ol
ungolitt hhaevre, brought the eto V
person shoandeai nsnt htti.sortoell :c

natsxtEjl said that if he could collect the I
,e4t.._ts,.,
,ta
..
iitio:4:ll
:pia_ ti.:*;:ukl
it.Liteitviaathsho(ine,
tulvl
not in
itt:hihici
aeeciastussi
,ss-
hi
ntiktocanedaue.yr%s‘a.lsue
has,
deldriroedus should tbe em callsnt
,-; the (1 her excuse • that she should be
:;e'ttfs`rn on put. to'her, and be told that E
kiLij
sa 44' -.44Y Ili consequences from her am
-Se 4'l SilSSeitY for making- an order that she si
e'efilisa4 suggested that she should be cal
,11,* AlsAcce„'°l her persisting in her refusal to
b. 4 few 'to her. notno oibejaerentic
oAlle, words from Mr. SHAW, which could
441)(11131't
:6ulstiis.eoAtailitoijant.esioorenrdirs,lfe•oadis.hnaego.rtatihananctsautlh,leeerdiknitogoustthhee bar.
e6lllat• rillitaiittne, and did not think. thaeltiacitduheal'il
PIA s„ ,uotne expected that she would
,4os „ s•-• ner; at the same time she mighi
;cltelliles's.i.l,chteionhooufsethievashosuatsiesilte'dshteo dtiaskcehatrgh,
tloste'ul to believe that she was in a mists
,4,4iee,,1.us her answer; but she must now le
~,-"st 1),"` her continued refusal to ainssser wc
iltite ,;oco,nuoitted to the custody of the Serge
tlit,to h 41d now expect that she would ausw
eo as e,r, and she might depend on full prot
i wits, she was bound to do.
''t she then ordered to withdraw, with the
should again go before the committee t
lIPII 4, EXCISE LAWS (SCOTLAND.)
th4Vitic,, '4l liA Yilll consequence of his Maje:
t,,, es,',, uorninatad a commission to examii
t' 4 the laws of the united kingdom, and I
1)11' s'tte—:„ noble lord, the
.Ch.aneellor of the
pae thieet",°U of the commission would as es
''lltor elite
,to Scotland, postponed his motiot
,4 that 4
thee'Sect committee ,Mato-Thursday the
'01.114 i onfidence he placed in his jes
i' 4t Dp44uce them as far as possible, to alter
~.tleesent in foree which was, in many re:
I,ltardressive to the 'people of Scotland.
`'. ONDENCE ON THE EAST INDIA (WEE
I•_°llth,lris._N asked whether there was any
11Ost-tLahle of the houSe the corresponder
:stlit,,(4 the Board of Control and the
j'''Prie,"'' had. yesterday been read at a Co
41.1.tsts.
hAsati:aal' said there could be no objectiot
it the table of the house.
, b °ll/N. COSIMUTATION OF TAXES.
°4e tails the diversity
;IMittC. In that House upon almost every
41, in which all seemed to be agreed—tin
ga", a" relieved from' the overwhelming burd
it, sth
'.l, is tn... government had hitherto been as
4,tessi,L4ae off taxes aud as those calls had
'tva,:','Y for pre-ervings the faith of the count
• 'l,4l:;,but there had Cecil kept up taxes to
t ~'l4 st-,Y°lld the actual exigencies of the Etat
O1;••te ii,-eution to the subject, and, having c
Vl' t-aithat house, he was aware that no
4441,e114.,,,t.ti)iaatitiretess,,:e,:x7esailatitieetoiohomilunblv,de_o_rf..bite.ohrerBein,iurlibmtitijecndgfhaiaittinah,an(01):hrer.wrlavAlyst
ott'alty, ituL taxes. Unless he could make out a
tl,!ee,lttr-,,,w0u1tl not be expedient to change th
s'"V't ' ; ,hut he would take it on himself t,
'4O. ihc't changing the's) stem did esist. H,
Qa e hahe ezi'sting distress' of the•countrv. 0
inB°ftll,7ellt on that subject calculated to ha.
61se'1,15os;:e who heard him • and although he
74' os 4statenaent overcharged,' yet such wa
,1e,441,„`aa labouring classes of the commm
'N.;,teefieu nef,slected, and of which neglect
'Pe ,i,- Ne ',l'g. the consequences—that it was the
Stlad,l4‘aeir case into consideration, and to se
I.llllllllle. 4ud patriotism of the house could in
lii is (I,,ir distressed condition. The noble lox
141i4N-Cr Itobinson's) opinion, prudently ref;
;Sit 1114,te the intentions of the
.governmi
r 4t he c0),4 Power to make "his financial statemi
'(tko-ns'l"!.° pursued. by the noble lord, it smug
dt'k3, tilut hunsself waited-until the same pc
e4ist)totri„.at no government could be expected
,itie9liti,:i.atioti of taxes as he was going to sup
;151)r0p;,.4, of other taxes, to make way for the
krt',.la ltir,``Y• - ThesPeopfe complained of the
.14?1 1 -48 • d 'I this fe
tr! elites of taxation, an_ that at
' '',wrts4 els as Persons of great wealth compai
iftlisti3tpe burdens of the state. He enterta
ht,,
ki . b to that if the remedy were much long
11,m sde wrlich they could not extricate. tI2
sufferede lonstgil.lfint odptrheesusxst3t
:-"l'te°4l4l e...;easeinYgwetreroantlid, with decreasing profi
' hiss°.YerY much decreased, and Mr. Hu
11thloileis„:°21uutilognertlwiaittiltho
A'4 of g tirtare aISO ocef tstytht saetne'itei irontfatiattxaat everyti onnitiloct
i4;t4
elliti., P`2llee, he had otTered his own service
1.8 ill the way of its adoption. What, he

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