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How did he give them ?—le drew them out of his right-
pocket and gave them to them : he pulled the ribbons out.
Were those long pieces of ribbon he gave ?—I cannot say.
But you must say whether they were long or short ?—They
were wrapped up.
You can tell whether they were large bundles of ribbon ?--I
could not say which as they were far from me.
About what time of the day was it ?—Between eleven and
twelve.

In the day-time. ?—Yes.
You have suited that you were the doOr-keeper, were there
many _persons coming round
.the door ?—A great many on
Thursday.
Were there many persons round there at that time ?—Not at
that time.

There were some I suppose 7—Yes.
How many do you suppose there Were 7—l cannot pretend to
say.
`Vas there any person you saw there except yourself ?—I can-
not say.
Did you know any of those men ?—No.
Have you ever made any enquiry about, those men since ?
No, I have not. _ _

Can you undertake to say whether they were freemen or not ?
—I cannot say. ,
Du von know whether they were strangers or not.?-I cannot
say, they were dressed in blue jackets.

The witness withdrew.

Mr. JAMES AcKEns was called in and examined by Mr. Hutch-
inson as follows.—

What are you ?—A brewer.
You live in Liverpool?—Near Liverpool:
Were you a member of Lord Sandou's committee at the last
Election ?—I wag. - - .
_ _ _ _

Were you.at the Golden Lion on the second day of the elec-
tion z—l was. -

Do you know a person of the name of James Kehoe who was
a porter there at that time ?—I do not.
Did you ever hire any porter there ?—I never did.
Were you about the,Golden Lion all the day ?—Both days.
, Do you recollect being inquired for by any person upon iliose
days ?—Very often by many.
Did you upon either of those days fold five sovereigns in a
ribbon and give them to any person ?—No.
Did you fold any other money in a ribbon and
.give it to any
person ?—Never.
If a man has said that you folded five sovereigns or any other
money in a ribbon is that true or altogether uttrly false?--Ltit-
terly false.
Did you give a sovereign without a ribbon ?—I had not a so-
vereign in my pocket during the two days of the election.
Did you give any money whatever to any mau either before
or after he voted ?—I did not.

Did you give any drink during these days ?—Nor drink nei•
ther.

Were you chairman of the canvassers' committee before the
election ?—I was.

Was your room in Water-street ?—lt was.
Did you attend there pretty constantly ?—Every day some
part of the day.
Did you ever see any freemen there who came there and
asked for money P—Never.
Were you asked by freemen for money at all ?—I never was.
Were you present at Lord Sandon's committee on the first
night of the election ?—I was.
Do you recollect a deputation corning from Sir Howard
,Douglas's committee ?—I heard that there was a deputation up
stairs, I was down below in one of the committee rooms.
Did you go up upon hearing that there was a deputation ?—I
did.

Do you know what it was that they came to talk about?—
They had nearly finished their conversation—it was something
about their wishing. Sir Howard Douglass to retire.
Was any proposition made about the men being struck off
'from their work the next day ?—I had got information 'brought
to me, that they were going to put the oaths the following day,
for the purpose of signing them, and, also, that they were going
to give the men the half day's wages.
That the other party were going to do that ?—Yes.
'Was any thing said about the latter part of that subject at
your committee-room ?—I said if that was the case we must do
the same,
Did you say that upon your own mere motion or upon con-
sulting with any other part of the committee ?—There was no
consultation at all.
Upon your starting that proposition how was it received ?
Our chairman, Mr. Latvrence, said that if we should lose our
election for sake of half a day's wages, he would not agree to it.
Was it taken into consideration any farther than that ?—lt
was blown over in a moment. _

Was such a proposition revived again or acted upon in any
way ?—lt was not non mentioned again either at that time or
any time afterwards. •
Cross-examied by Mr. Rushton.

You were a member of that select committee ?—I was

'Did the general committee sit at the Golden Lion ?—lt did.
Mr. Hutchinson.—ls that your brother; Mr. Joseph Ackers's
handwriting ? (a paper being shown to the witness.)—lt is.
He is unwell ?—He is very unwell; he has been confined
three weeks to his house.—The paper was handed in. • -
Mr. Rushton.—Were there two committees ?—There was the
canvassing committee, of which I was the chairMan,'which sat
at the bottom of Water-street, and the general committee as-
sembled at the Golden Lion.

.Were you frequently at both places ?—Frequently.
Were you, before the election, chiefly at the canvassers' com-
mittee ?—Certainly.
Were returns made to you of the canvass ?—Yes.
What result did the returns show ?—They shoWed upon the
canvass who they were going to vote for, and whatever answers
they got the) put down.
.What result did they shew ; they shewed a majority, did they
not ?—Yes, they did.
Was that majority confined to the working-classt4 it
was a majority generally.
Was that amount of majority considerable ?—I think not.
Was it at this time that the notice'was given that no bribery
or corruption would. be tolerated P—No, that was stuck up, ten
days before the election, in the committee-room.
At what time were .those returns made to you ?—Every day..
When were they completed ?—They were not completed even
at the commencement of the election.

During the two days of the election, were you at Water-street
or at the Golden Lion P—At the Golden Lion. • •

Where was• the general committee-room ?—ln the front par-
lour.

Was there a porter at the door of that committee-room ?
There was at all the committee-rooms;

Were you called out of that committee-room during those two
days ?—frequently.
I3y whom-?—Some people that I cannot recollect.
You know the freemen of Liverpool well?—Very well.
Were the parties that called you out freemen ?—Some were,
and some were not. I was called out upon my own business.
How often upon your own business ?—I think twice.
How many times were you called out of the room altogether?
—I do not know.

Fifty I—No, not half.
UTun both days 7—Upon both days.
You say some of them were burgesses; what did the bur-
,.gesses want with you I—Many of them wanted to know where
they must get their numbers from, and I took them into another
room that we had for that purpose.
Did any of them ask you how it was to be this time ?—No
they did not.
Not any of them ?—Not one of them.
Did they ask you what they were to have ?—No.
Did they ask you for anything to drink ?—No they did not.
Did they ask you for anything to that effect ?—No.
- Did they ask you for half a day's wages?—One man did. I
think his name was Cain, a ship carpenter. • .
Do you know him to be a freeman ?—Yes, I do.
Was Cain alone when he made this proposition ?—He was.
Did he make it publicly or take you aside?—He did not take
-me aside. I was standing in the street. He said, it is very
hard we cannot have half day's pay. lam working at the
lower end of the town and I have to go up to poll.
When those'parties sent for you out of the room did any of
them take you aside?—node.
They spoke to you openly ?—Yes.
And with the exception of Cain there was no one that asked
for anything?—There was another, a man that came from'
Aintree, five miles from Liverpool, and he asked me whether
there was,,not any refreshments allowed, and I told him that
-there was not anything allowed; and I said if there was any.
thing it would be only a shilling for bread and cheese and a
•pint of ale, and it is not worth your while to have that.
Then with the exception of Cain and this man, none of those
that called you out of the room asked you for money or drink,
or ale, or wages, or any fee or reward, for their vote ?—They
did not. •

Did they make any enquiry whether there was anything given
.or not ?,---1;:o, they did not.
Did they say anything which induced vou to believe that they.
required something for their votes ?—tertainly not, except
what I have mentioned.

Had you known these men previously ?—No, I do not re-
collect one man, except the one I have stated to you.
Do not you recollect,a man of the name of Careful?—l do.
What is he ?—A carpenter.