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GENERAL DARLING.

Tooks moved that the committee of inquiry into General
Darling's conduct should be empowered to send for persons,
papers, and records.
A spirited discussion arose on this motion, after which the
question was put, on the motion that the committee have power
to send for persons, papers, and records, and agreed to.
On the question that certain papers specified be. laid before
the committee. _ _

Mr. RICE said the course proposed to be adopted was unusual.
The committee had power to call for these papers itself, it was
therefore unnecessary to move for them.
Mr. WARBURTON admitted that it was of no importance whe-
ther the papers were refused to the committee in consequence
of a resolution of the house, or taken into consideration after
being called for by the committee itself in the ordinary way.
Mr. TooKu, yielding to the suggestion of his right hon.
friend, and assuming that the papers would be accessible to the
committee in the usual way, withdrew his motion.
Motion, by leave, withdrawn.
Mr. SHEii. gave notice, that he would to-morrow, on the
question' of going into committee of supply, move an amend-
ment relative to the affairs of the Rajah of- Tanjore.
On the motion of Mr. Brotherton, the house adjourned, at a
quarter to twelve, till a quarter before four o'clock to-morrow
(Friday).
I HOUSE OF LORDS.—FIIIDAY.

The royal assent was given by commission—the commission-
ers were the Earl of Shaftesbury, Viscount Duncannon, and
Lord Gleneh.,',—to the tea duties' bill, the foreign post bill, the
public roads' (Ireland) bill, the assizes (Ireland) bill, the
sheriti's deela•ratiou bill, the voluntary enlistment bill, the cer-
tiorari bill:the loan soeieties' bill, the bankrupt's estates bills
the linen"arnl-•ittetup •mannfucturers' ( Ireland) bill,""MitiVery
officers bill,,theilunaties' and infants' estates bill, and several
private bills
TaANscoaTEn FRLONS.--.-AUSTRALIA.

The Duke of Rten MON D, seeing his noble friend the Secte-
WI of State for the Colonies in his place, wished to ask hint.
whether there was any objection to laying on the table of the
house the reports received from Australia respecting the condi-
tion of the people transported to that colony from this country.
The liarl of Ripon and Lord Stanley had_ laid such reports on
the fable, and much useful information was derived froth them.
Lotd GLENEt.o, in answer to the question of his noble friend,
was happy to state that he had some letters on the subject, and
that he should be extremely happy to lay them before the house.
He had already directed that a list of these letters should be
made out.

TONNAGE ADMEASURNMNNT BELL.
LOrd A txx.LAND moved the second reading of this bill. By
the present plan of building ships, rendered necessary by the
laws relating to their measurement, ships were built not of the
best kind or shape. The evil would be put an end to. by this
bill.
_ _

The bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed
on Monday.

ILLEGAL. SECURITIES BILL .
On the motion of the Earl of DEVON this bill was read a
second time, and ordered to be committed on Tuesday.

MILITIA STAFF BILI..

On the motion of Viscount Dora:A NNON this bill was read a
third tune and passed.
TITHES ON TURNIPS..

The Duke of RICHMOND moved that their lordships be sum-
moned on Monday, when he should propose the second reading
of this bill.
Lord ASHBURTON wished to suggest to the noble duke that
at this late period of the session a bill upon a part of a subject
should not be pressed, when it -was clearly understood that in
the beginning of next session the whole subject was to be taken
into consideration.
The Duke of ltrcussoNn could not possibly adopt the sug
gestion thus thrown out, and as be- .was requested to do so he
must beg to state the reasons why he declined. This bill was
was brought into parliament in consequence of a claim made
for tithes for turnips pulled from the ground but left in the
fields as food for sheep penned there. It had never before been
considered that such turuips were titheable. A clergyman had
however set up a claim. of this kind, and that claim bad been
sanctioned by the decision of the court. Now these turnips
were merely hood up by the farmer to assist the sheep in getting
at them, but they were not carried off the field, Ad therefore
had never been-considered to be titheable, because tithes were
payable on the sheep and on agistmeut, and turnips so consum-
ed had therefore always before been treated as grass. This
new claim of tithes was a great grievance on the agriculturist,
and one which was likely to produce a most serious effect. As
it was the wish of all their lordships that the question of tithes
should be fairly considered next Year, he thought that they
would agree with him that it would.be as well at once to get

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rid of an acknowledged grimace of this sort, and not allow it
to be mixed up the general question. (bear, hear.)
The Earl of .RossLyN confessed that he had great jealousy of
any legislative proceeding being thus founded upon any one
ease. The decision referred to was only a holding at Nisi_
Plitts, and might therefore be questioned in the court.
The Duke of -Richmond's motion was agreed to.
Mr. Bernal and others brotight up the Cesaio. Banorittif bill
and antither bill.
The Duke of WELLINGTON presented a petition from the
dean and clergy of the metropolitan church of Doblin against the
Irish church bill.
The
.house then adjourned till Monday.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, FRIDAY.
The Speaker took the chair at four.
LIEUTENANT-COLONEL FA IRMA N.
The Sergeant-at-Arms appeared at the table, and informed
the house that he had been unable to apprehend Colonel Fair-
man, as he had been directed to do by the house. On going to
Colonel Fairman's residence for that purpose, he was told that
that gentleman had lets it a quarter of an hour previously. A
messenger had consequently been afterwards sent to remain on
the premises,-for the purpose of arresting Colonel Fairinan.

INTIMIDATION AT THE KERRY ELECTION.
Mr. Scaa LETT presented a numerously-slued petition, :com-
plaining of the intimidation practised at the Kerry election. A
more extraordinary detail than was presented by this petition
he had seldom seen. The intimidation was-such as to deprive
the petitioners of any remedy by an appeal to the ordinary tri-
bunal. The intimidation practised by the Catholic clergy was
a perversion of the religion, or, as he was afraid he must say,
of the superstition, by which the people were governed. lie
was informed that every one of the most extraordinary- allega-
gations contained in this petition could be proved in the must
direct and positiie manner. The hon. member then proceeded
to read the petition, which contained a long and disgusting list
of outrages perpetrated on all the electors who votel for Mr.
Fitzgerald, and of the threats and denunciations resorted to by
the catholic priests to prevent his return. The petitioners also
stated that the following paper was posted against the chapel of
Listowel entitled

"'THE PATRIOT'S CURSE.
"'Electors of Kerry.—Our county election takes place on
Tuesday next, and Kerry, nay Ireland, expects that every man
this day will do his duty ; and, waving all prologue, I declare
at once that whatever creature clothed in human nature—what-
ever base wretch, political renegade, or hireling ruffian—(Oh !
weakness of human language to describe him)—should he found
so vile, treacherous, and corrupt as to vote for the Knight of
Kerry, or any such sham reformer—a man who circumscribed
the spirit of patriotism within the wizard circle of his protestant
interest—who was brought even to side with the minister by
Burgundy, kind words, and closeting, or ,by bribery, intrigue,'
,gtui a pension:expended ad infinitum, should never be seen in
public but as a loathsome object, at which the slow turning fn7
ger of scorn should be pointed. Amen.
" May his conscience prove the worm, ever gnawing his vi-
tals, until he be reduced to the degree of emaciation that a sur-
geon might practice osteology upon his carrion frame. Amen.
And may a sea of dreams tumultuous, and spectral visions,
nightly fright the placidity and calm of his sleep, and may he
rise to meet the sun in lassitude, confounded and oppressed.
Amen.
"'May his wife, if he have one, prove incontinent, being
found oftener in the brothel than by his home fireside, and may
he nightly repose himself in sheets contaminated and adulte-
rous. Amen.
May his children prove undutiful and. disobedient, and,
should he need a crutch, may they pluck it from their own.
limping sire, and beat out his brains. Amen.
"'May his daughters turn to general filth. (Here the lan-
guage is so revolting that it is omitted.)
" In fine, may his cmintry disregard him, may his friends
and neighbours despise him, may the young chidren shout at
him as he moves along, may domestic strife drown him in per-
petual riot and confusion, and, when the angel of death shall
hover over him, may the awful reflection blast him in his last
hour—' I might have saved my country ; I might, but did not.'
Readers, all say amen, amen, amen !'
The hon. member said that to. the petition were appended the
names of every protestant freeholder in the county of Kerry,
and of every member of the great body of magistrates. .It was
no fault of theirs that the circumstanes detailed had not been
sooner stated to the house, as they, had only lately become ac-
quainted with the resolution of the intimidation committee to
examine but two witnesses. The two witnesses, however, who
appeared-before that committee substantiated several of the alle-
gations, and particularly the language attributed in the peti-
tion to the hon. member fur Dublin. He should leave the case
for the present in the hands of the house, not doubting that,
next session such measures would be adopted as the nature of
the case imperatively demanded.
The petition. having, been presented,
Mr. t4CARLETT said he had another petition referring to the
same subject.
Mr. O'CONNELL—Present it then. Let us have it all at
once.
Mr. Scan LETT then presented a petition from the Knight of
Kerry, detailing the reasons why the circumstances stated in
the preeeding petition had not been sooner stated to the house.
When the committee declared their intention to hear only two
witnesses there were twelve ready to be examined, and sixty
might have been brought to give evidence. As there was no
other tribunal befine which he could lay these extraordinary
facts he had thought fit to call the attentiop of the house to
them.
Mr. ORDE moved the'adjournment of the debate to Tuesday,
(This day.)—Agreed to.
ORANGES LODGES—COLONEL FAIRMAN.
Mr. Husia said that he had giveu notice yesterday that he
wOuld submit a motion with a view of obtaining nossession of a
letter-book, which the committee on orange lodges deemed of
considerable importance. Understanding.that the individual in
whose custody it was could not be found (cheers,) he was sorry
to say, that it appeared to him that be could not with any effect
or propriety proceed with his motion. It would leave every man
to draw his own conclusions. (Cheers.)
RECORDER OF DUBLIN.
Mr. HUME presented a petition agreed to at "the great Dublin
meetinv " complaining of certain expressions used by the re-
corder of liable, and that he was an orangeman and a political
and party judge. •

LIMITATION OF POLLS BILL
having been sent down from the Lords with amend-
nieuts, it was moved that the amendments be read.
Mr. Hume, Mr. Pease, and Mr. Tooke, expressed it as their
opinion that they ought to .be printed, in order that the houie
might the better judge of them.
•Lord JOHN RLSSELL agreed with the honoura.lile gentlemen,
that it would be the better course to print them. (Hear.)
They were then ordered to be printed accordingly.
CONSOLIDATED FUND DILL.
The CHANelii.Lon of the EXCHEQUER said that the first of the
orders of the day was the consolidated fund bill, which stood for
committal. The honourable member for Lincoln (Mr. E. L.
Bulwer) had given notice of a motion for this evening, on the
first order of the day being moved. He (the Chancellor of the
Exchequer) now rose to postpone the first order till Friday next,
(cheers.) therefore the honourable gentleman would make his
motion on the second order being moved.
Mr. Tooee said that the right honourable' gentleman having
taken this course at a time when petitions were coming in from
every part of the country could not fail to give great satisfaction.
Mr. I-Ir'sle said that while the three great awl most important
questions were pending in another place, he thought it would
be highly improper in the house to pass any more money clauses.
(Cheers.) He did not wish to deny to another place the free
exercise of its powers, hut some discretion was required on the
part of both. (Cheers.) He repeated, that the members of the
House of Commons, acting on behalf of the people of the coon-
try, were called on at the present crisis not to agree to any more
votes of money, nor to the appropriation of that already granted.
(Great cheering.) They might at last- find themselves placed
in a situation such as their constituents hail scarcely looked for.
He hoped the tight hon. gentleman would postpone his motion
.not till Friday next only, but for any further period that might
be necessary to enable them, before they came to its considera-
tion, to see how the public business had got on elsewhere.
(Much cheering.)
Mr. O'CONNELL approved of the delay. If it was found that
the amelioration of the abuses existing iu our institutions, and
the advancement of the necessary return's, were to be impeded,
the commons would exercise their constitutional control over
the public excheqner, and would place it in the hands of those
who bad the confidence of the people, so as to render any perse-
verance in a systematic opposition to the improvements re-
quired by the people impossible. (Cheers.) The people of
England- would be slaves if they submitted to such dictation.
(Continued cheers.) The monarch on the throne was irre- ,
sponsible, because he had his servants, and they were responsi-
ble to the people for the acts of the government. Would it be
submitted to, that 200 or 300 individuals, in no way responsible
for what they did, should wield the power of obstructing this
correction of abuses and the redress of wrongs? (Great cheer-
ing.) That Would be a miseiable period for this country; and
he only alluded to-it for the purpose of expresSing his opinion
that Bic people would be successful in this struggle. (Cheers.)
Mr. W. E. GLADSTONE did not 'object to the postponement
of the clause, neither did he question the power of the house to
exercise its high privileges for other and ulterior objeets than
the mere acceleration, or suspension, of a particular part et; a
bill. But he rose to say that although the house had the, pi
ofcarrying into execution the threat of suspending the granti
of public money for the general enter.6eneics of the state. yet te
felt in honour and conscience bound to statelhat there could be
nothing" more indiscreet—nothing more tudecent—he- .wottiol•
retraCtis word indecent, and say, nothing more indelicate,
than for a minister of the crown to ground his postponement of
a fivancial bill on the presumption of the conduct that anoth#r
branch of the legislature would pursue respecting certain legis-
lative pleasures that wore submitted to their consideration,
their independent capacity—and they were as independent As
this branch of the legislature, and as capable of exercising
sound and useful judgment. He deplored the spirit that seemed
to guide the government, and he could notsufficiently reprobate
the mind that ruled the actions of these sections of various par-
ties that whirled the government round within the oldies of an
all-absorbing agitation. It was because the boo. members
opposite threatened to overawe the monarch)! and the other
branch of the legislature, which was the original bander between
the usurpations of the crown and the licentiousness of the people
—it was because that it was useful, and wise, and just that both
branches should harmonize and attune with each other, he did
not then really imagine that a minister of the crown would act
on such motives as the speeches of the honourable member for
Middlesex and the hon. member for Dublin would seem tp show
he acted on.

The CuaticEt.Lott of the EXCHEQUER said he should really
rise to vindicate himself froM the extraordinary imputations of
the hon. member. He did not know what his notions of delicacy
or decency might be, but both, if he had them, should induce
hint to respect the opinions of a political adversary, and not to
impute unworthv motives to him hastily, especially when the
charge went to groach a great constitutional doctrine which he
(the Chancellor of the Exchequer) did not impug,n. Ile thought
he had sufficiently guarded himself in giving the reasons for the
delay, except to minds constituted as that of the hon. member
seemed to have been. (" Hear, hear," from the ministerial
benches.) He told the house that it was his duty as a minister
of the crown, all party considerations apart (and it was impossi-
ble that party considerations could be mixed up with so simple
a case,) to delay the appropriation clause. This delay did not
originate with him, it resulted from the other house of parlia••
inent. The plain fact was this.: it was usual net to pass the
appropriation clause till the militia bill had also passed. If the
hon. member was more conversant with the forms of the house
he would be less disposed to cavil at these apparent suspensions
in the progress of certain measures. The usual practice was to
pass the appropriation clause when the militia bill had passed.
Now, it was only this eery night that the militia bill was sent
down to that house from the lords with certain amendments
which it was necessary for the house to consider and Sanction
before it passed. If lie pressed the appropriation clause the
consequence would be that the militia would be without pay for
twelve months, and his Majesty would fur all that time be left
unprovided with Fueh a strong disposable force. He did not
blame the other house. No doubt it saw good reasons for alter-
ing and sifting the militia bill, and this process was the cause of
the delay. but he stated the fact as his vindication for postponing
the appropriation clause. (Cfieers.)
Mr. W. E. G t. A osToNE said, he was misunderstood by the right
hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He did not mean to draw
the distinction which he referred to; neither did he now mean
to enter into the ample. field of disquisition relative to the duties