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___Sept. 3, 1844

TOWN COUNCIL MEETING.

Cun
ouncil was Wedneheldda fort
the a sputspose eeial
o ta
,
deration the proceedings of the
of
mpeofe kin
ekcomf imnthti
toetecTeoonwfsr
for
ta(lacks and works. There was a very full attendance of
ernbers and the Mayor took the chair.
HUSKISSON'S STATUE.
a ITethteerMfrt ti is piece of sta-
t Yrnonm,rb.esfoarnedthirehim. mediate business, submitted
had • '
}, arrived three weeks ago, P
tear
bY Mr• Gibson. It wasretsopetheetinegffecit that the statue
il/2114ra• Huskisson, who wished it t.t
oe
be
ptlhaee
ecdo rupnodr
eart i ot
hoe,
°lne in the Long-room, a site. which
htheiengaratnipstrodpirdianteot;
consider the most eligible, the light no .
the writer suggested that another position in the
building, selected by Mr. Gibson, should bwehopsreoploesaevde,biyt
memorial to the Lords of the Treasury, aPPears, is necessarY•
1.1.14 r. North and Mr. Aspinall considered St. George'sthe
i
more suitable, and t was finally resolved that .
;nYor should write to Mrs. Hu. skitssoohne,ractkhneomwloest.gampg.
17rsovreersipt of the statue, suestin
the
mmieletet, and making an early report to the council on
ThTHE NEW NORTHERND SOUTHERNoAcNkDComm
plans- proceedings of the
of the new docks and
thorised by the act of this session, having been read,
tt Committee relative DOCKS.
to the
works, north and south, au-
til 4rt:unilletti lts LcEonfirm"tahEe s er opsreo caenedd sd
itthwa to,
42;,;ssarY to trespass on their attention for *afewni
0-Ir;th the view of showing the difference between would be se
k pegnd
o p t e d in
moments,the
re—egoint adYdbrought before them andthehtooubseesaof pa.rliai-.
th • , an the plans now recommended
of
stead The original plans, so far as he was ind
~Ilidhally concerned, never bad his approba.ntieoipnl.e
ofß wuthtihehe
he he. now submitted, and the general pr
" cordially approved, had the advantage olfaoffnolrydoinegeuipny-
creasio
g water space, while the docks would
in
same space of ground as was contemplatetdo
Mal. For the new plans they were indebted
of the dock estate
thetbgeenninuis-
tan,' untiring efforts of the Dock Surveyor, whose atten-
wen and devotedness to the interests
but
re. two well known to render
itindebted for the excellent
it was to him they were
bed been made at
necessary to say more
on his left, Air.
plans,
g!eatimprovem improvement in which
naigh. Fgestion of his friend Aikin. It
of accommo-
pre'ser; t°peinecessar just to state what the original and the
dation, ans gave to the public in the shape. .
acres oniTy;e grand total afforded by the originaltesdchteom3e4,
which was to run parallel with the river, ameounasin,
the
the new scheme, includingdth b
no less a quan-
coasting dock, and the passages, present
titY than 63 acres. This scheme occupiede the same space
°f ground as the former, so that the northern docks,
Coupled with the southern, the plan of which remained for
the present as it had come
abeforerthd total of dock accom-
modation council and received
their sanction, wouldt
taodation for the town of 19Ean acres 3731 yards, a quay
aPace—an actual working quay space of rather more than
13 miles, and a grand total altogether of 15 miles 784
Yards. This was an amount of accommodation not to be
found in any other town in the world, far exceeding that
of the metropolis.
(Hear.) The original plans ran north
and south ; those now proposediernatndeoaeskt,aansdatwefisrts;t arned.
lestead of having one inconvenient corenaended, which must be fullylacholme,Ptlheetcyd
Dart of it could be rendered available,
have a series of docks, several acres eieaachtioinnoepxetneendt,waiitihd
they should besides have the commun
they
and Liverpool Canal. The advantages were so
abc::lttphpearent that he should not occupy the time of the
e°llaeil in dwelling on the subject. He had already said
Plan of the new works at the north remahinfeodreashiet
was—that there was no change in that; but,
4,p4srlotetesetieodneadwfhuirtehher, he would endeavour to ansewfeetr some
bate as to the auttehoigribtty beof thetehsekecdouinncil
theiT t
o coursealt
er the bpladns.
Plan
a.t liberty, without going to parliament, to vary
ocks oblon
tplinle.adspPd, soS ilenagagnaYsor s are or in any other n .
manner or shape. They
ianner Y
might make
in
s ed that
ber°°lng over new space • and here it was to b
they trenched not on privateeirnetmereemsts.
ed altera-
ba_Wsas on intended, and that th.e prworh,
they were only about to occupy the same ground
't the Leeds
oi`lic?.,,N.vould not affect the comm.unicatioeiei
they"wvermol Canal. He knew it had banndoabffsoerrydeiodgtthoaot
great aere going
on too great
.a scale,
far fr_ n extent of accommodation to thetown.
the
_oelli this being the case, he was satisfied
150,,?,* works should have been completed that, Blanetiosree
ooitat
tbeifully in use. (Hear.) . He thought.
been „ 0 be under no alarm on this P 0
committee, and
ethveercyoudnocll
th 'Be reproach of the council, the dockint.
e old cor • k ace was al-
li itherto it had
lily% i Poration, that the supply of doc sP
saw,. n arrear of the demands of trade.toTshayis
44!,t, (fact that it was unnecessary more was s so
aboutpal-
irkingm any one would take the troubletotheexyawmoinneldthhee
_ of the docks for the last fewyears,
fah"'lvince that this was the fact,
the accommodation
aage for the last year required
amounted to
187,007•er Prince's Dock, for that increase
t the increase
reproach
4honfint",,s,s. while the working of the Prince's was only
wotild 17,..,.040 tons. He therefore hoped that the
on
such a
kale ,:oone away with, and that they we
eaCi - "°tlld wholly supersede the necessiiityeaorf
)docTlchaecre-
vote taaodation to be sought elsewhere. (
by the original
that tll'°ther advantage in the newlans, andthat was,
plans'
vole dock, proposed to be made tornnot be broug
proposed,besides
afford-Pg so blie,ted, while those now
be brought
d - • ht into action until the whol
into 0 —'en additional accommodation, could
They were
underPeration in a very short space of time.
they ee,rPool canal open in three years-
and IY°kract to have the communication,withHtehtehLouegedhst
Ivnuld 1;411_14 accomplish it in two ; one of the new docks
a.nd the e„,r°llght into operation about the
dsame
this, periodtha
t,•
trsach dn,rntage attending the works won.
t'gra-s'lsconlkbe completed in itself, and thdate,
oansldthheye
;pipernaher. every dock would be perfect, an
ll'iv_,liesilt° Working condition without any obstacle or
antiZt being in the This would b. e a veroy
muchg
il°°,rnet than it would render the the docks available
coulds not
While en thW„sa anticipated. The originaltti:eannfive years,
eotQuac.eoloBht into operation in less
The ne„,n3c,atiovilt, JO the new, they shouldhinavetwtoheyedaorcsk.
Could " aneita ;Itb the canal in operationo
sent •
70 feet
i4.urse (en:iodation to the class pthrea_t
sb ethteh
onf 1
ys
h di
pose ka
ts
The council wouldPb;:jtlanciwiicldtehe7:nn'struoction, "a,
vesselP of the ednhahveeingatthees
People of Bristol, who, eyed, th
( laugh)—and, he
they
ofwtteertuhl
not get her out again—,a
he receive having got a
wOuldi„__ e ovvners of that vessel (the Great. Britain)
Port
Another
coZT te° bring her to Liverpool, because in no other
be that great ad,,,,t
the new docks would
had bee they
tv°°ld
the necessary. accommodation.
bear attel)ildeintog
silt up. (Hear.) It
plied to
Out an :flobserved that etrellick Committee were laying
ortoon,
- sum of money and they were often ap-
in.,
...
c,to staY their hands, andnot to spend their money
i 421 1 a reckless manner He confessed there was no-
it"..g._ ne looked upon with so little concern as the expen-
at al, in the present instance ; for it really was nothing
trad TheY were about to obtain accommodation for the
and e. of the port to the extent of 63 acres at the north,
Irm 15 acres at the south, for one million and a half of
.:neg. This was nothing compared with other places.
t them look for a moment at the London docks which
enst four millions of money, and let them contrast, the ex-
m' .eat of accommodation obtained for that four millions in
ndon with what was going to be given in Liverpool.
eY were about to give more than double the amount of
t
ace,„°43modation afforded in London for less than a million
;tilla half, because this increased accommodation. wouldt
fir °Me within the estimates laid befreosptafrolniarmmend:
tione.aer, hear.) The London docks,
Ave*' °nly afforded accommodation to the extentc of thirty..
Side acres, and the St. Katherine's docks, which were con-
and ed triode' docks for the kingdom, cost £2,482,000,
ter, 111 Y afforded accommodation to the extent
.f twelve
*are In Liverpool there were about to be given up-
and ,vai.°f seventy acres for less than a million and a hay;
thro,. °ell they looked at the amount of tonnage going
tippematil the docks of Liverpool and London, the matter
the pared in a more striking point of view. For, during
*ere list Year, neatly four times the amount of tonnage
toottate,e,lmodated in Liverpool more than were accom-
It hod beep In the entire docks of London. (Hear, hear.)
Proveeeen the fashion to say a great deal about the. im-
t4t/ •w"in
tnittaeitioa titil; v!ry
the °light _ g 0 t e iverpool Docks. He admitted
Wh...se, vi,a ts. Justice ought to be done the Dock Com-
much improved in this respect, but, at
_Pp.iied for
..ught toThey had
a 'it' they vsad not been met as they might have been,
AlbertwOlid landing-waiters,
in -waiters,
4wrileghoverotZeuetaitlension of the hours...oefatiaonn 0 g
facilitate their working.
n grounds
not lad refused the 1 aPp lthey applied to the
cutit °oks b °ng exist, so far as t
r /' t° the 1. eeatise one of the grounds
b distance of the
t,a ehonses frneVenne on account _
d ot apply to
e was, the inse-
-07! Albert r.:14: the docks, and this woul d
then
quantity
onr linage whi'eks• But when they com Pare
Passd through the oc s
d k of Liverpool
hot '-'ondon, it Which
and Bo bad as w
would-be seen that the workingt
o millions
Doolaihsll of to4n generally represented, for
w of Liver-
dock.4l,Year linage Passed through the docks
here was
the
In o d L °_,' Lohd'ound not quite 700,000 tons through
he -"e° at the • (Hear.) Steamers would be ac
corn-
ke?ecupied
wirretne
would
north, and the other docks
not'tpt.h..e subject the general trade of the port ; but, in and tree
film:eras so well understood that he should
been-oaZlntagea ari,.except briefly, to allude to the cost_
gent man„th,,el 'ever "ing from the new plans. As it had
_,lnagnith -e'r, net oenjaYin ingotu money in a most ext.rava-
uravv attd 01 their Y purchase of land, but in.thet
other doektien t°thetrit,enaPlated works, he would ills
acre, eji 8 The N,ropys' of the Prince's, and some of the 4(:),000c usive of th,, of the Prince's cost £32,046 per
O Per acre. No;aisnd, and inclusive of the land,
.t
16,.e,9,!t 1.2,578
Per acre, north works would
the euo"..? Per acre,) vyhicaii "' k'ne parliamentary plan
and all' of
the Prince' half 714,considerably less than.
.. wed by ever ' a "ncic that was so much admired,
this of the tow Y one to be one of the greatest orna-
tentiot 4 tnach LeqUal to the Prince's', on a larger scale,
of ttiotitl to
obist 78_8, C.Ost ; and it was necessary to draw arte-
extr eY ic,, In order to show that the expenditu
the Pubaant Ss wasrt of the Dock Committee was not so
A.32,,,1ic.
It generally supposed and propagated to
Trafalgar for thest°o?l X 12,548 for the new docks, against
, Prince's. (Hear, hear.) The Victoria,
rbeewbot _ vv aterloo, and Clarence docks cost exactly dou-
-4h y eo was about to
kod . st .423 „„„ be expended on the new works.
the anon wouir per acre ; and the proposed Was Price of laudnow be afforded for half that amount. On
ocitather point he would offer no observations. There
fro 8 Would , • It was said that the utlity of the new
be til t °e very little on account of their distance
red het entre of business But it should be remem-
Thtoile& the
bent 1 • ' • three
ee of the Exndia Docks in London were
Thei! and a halige; that the East India Docks
.were
of e *ere , and that the public never complained.
the north- such distances here The extreme oint
ttire.
rtnnost dock* be • mile and
oei " quarters f would not quite a .
y about
rom the Exchange, and, therefore, it was
la, half the distance of the East India Docks

from the Exchange in London. (Hear.) There would
be one effect arising out of the new plans which he cer-
tainly regretted. The original plans submitted to the
council were thrown so far back as to allow the existence
of the ship-building yards to continue as they were at pre-
sent ; but now, in consequence of the altered plans, he
regretted to state that the ship-building yards would have
to be removed. This was a great inconvenience; but it
was a comparatively small one compared with the advan-
tages to be derived from the altered plans, and private
convenience, as was now generally admitted, must give
way to the public good. When he stated, however, that
this inconvenience would not be so great as was generally
imagined, he thought there would be no opposition offered
to the altered plans. There were only five tenants, who
employed a great number of hands, which it was right to
keep on this side of the water ; and the dock committee
were now in a position to afford them such accommoda-
tion as they were never able to afford them before. He
had seen Mr. Wilson the night before on the subject, and
he believed all would be right. Hitherto they had only
been tenants from year to year, but now the dock com-
mittee had the power to grant them a twenty-one years'
lease. They should, therefore, be afforded accommoda-
tion elsewhere for a period of twenty-one years ; and
knowing that they could remain with certainty for that
period, they would construct building sheds of a more
substantial and satisfactory kind than they at present pos-
sessed. Therefore the inconvenience would be very
small compared with what it might have been, and what
it had been in London ; for when the London docks were
constructed, there were £2,000 families disturbed, 1,300
houses having been pulled down. (Hear.) There were
only two things wanted to make the dock accommodation
of the port of Liverpool perfect and complete in all re-
spects. The first was, to construct railways from one end
of the docks to the other. This would be a hardship to-
wards the cart-owners; but here also, as in the former
case, private interests must give way to the public good ;
and the dock committee would find it their duty to facili-
tate such an accommodation as far as in them lay, namely,
to promote a railway communication from the extreme
north to the extreme south of the docks, for the convey-
ance of goods, import as well as export. (Hear.) The
next thing was, to have warehouses round all the central
docks ; and he was fully convinced, after mature delibera-
tion, that it would be for the interest of the town and the
inhabitants at large, that this should be brought about at
as early a day as possible. He would not be one to inter-
fere with existing arrangements, or with the interests of
the warehouse owners ; but he was satisfied that this was
necessary ; that it must come to pass for the protection of
the town ; and when it did come to pass, they need never
fear opposition from any party whatever. This was no
new opinion of his.
Mr. ASPINALL.—I think, Mr. Mayor, it will be time
enough to discuss this subject four or five years hence.
Mr. MoORE said he was only stating what he consider-
ed necessary for the perfecting of the port; and whether
it was discussed now, or four or five years hence, was mat-
ter for consideration. It should be remembered that the
dock committee bad now the power to construct ware-
houses round the new works, or to lease the land round
any dock they pleased for the construction of warehouses.
They could, if they pleased, lease the quay round the
Prince's Dock for the construction of warehouses.

Mr. ASPINALL.-With the permission of this council.
Mr. MooßE.—Of course with the permission of this
council ; and if ever such a scheme should be brought
forward, I have little doubt of obtaining the sanction of
the council to it. Nothing of the kind will be recom-
mended, however, without mature deliberation ; but 1
shall rejoice to see the day when there are warehouses
round all those docks, for the demands of the trade of the
port require it, and what I have already mentioned shows
its necessity ; for the government refused to allow certain
facilities, for the want of which ships are delayed, and the
sole ground of objection stated was the insecurity of the
revenue on account of the distance of the warehouses from
the docks.

Mr. ASPINALL.—I rise to order. We are not discus-
sing the warehouse question now.
The MAYoR.—The Chairman of the Dock Committee
is quite in order.
Mr. MooRE.—I am in order, for this is a component
part of the system of dock management, because, when
you have warehouses round the docks, vessels can be dis-
charged in much less time, and expenses will be saved. I
conclude by submitting the plans for your approval, con-
fident that they will meet with your approbation.
Mr. AIKIN seconded the adoption of the proceedings.
He had only to say that the dock committee deemed it
their duty to see what could best be done with the land,
and he believed the plans now submitted to be the very
best. They spoke for themselves.
Sir T. BRANCKER.—There is no difference of opinion
as to the superiority of these plans over the others, on ac-
count of the vast accommodation they will afford ; and 1
have only to hope the dock committee will set to work,
and carry them out as quickly as possible. I believe they
have made a step already, for the chairman of the dock
committee told me yesterday that he was going to lay the
first stone. Is that so ? If it be, he's going to get to the
windward of our friends at Birkenhead. But we don't
hear of any dinner ! (A laugh.)
Mr. BARCLAY.—He's determined to leave no stone un-
turned.
Sir THOMAS BRANCKER.—He turned the one yester-
day down at all events. (Laughter.)
Mr. MOORE.—The first stone was laid at the north
yesterday by myself—a solid stone of five tons. (Great
laughter.) There was no display, because there was only
myself, the secretary, and one or two others, there.
Sir THOMAS BRANCKER.—Any Freemasons? (Con-
tinued laughter.)
Mr. MOORE.—Yes, there were a great many Free-
masons standing on the quay, and very free they were, for
they had nothing to do. However, they were all promised
to be regaled in the evening.
Sir T. BRANCKER.—Any banquet?
Mr. MOORE.—No ; we reserve our banquet until we
lay the last stone. (A laugh.)
Sir T. BRANCKEIL.—That will be a long time off.
Mr. KILSHAV7.—I hope you didn't spoil a silver trowel.
Mr. AMORE.—No; the dock committee cannot afford
that. (Continued laughter.)
The motion was then passed unanimously ; the proceed-
ings were confirmed, and the plans adopted ; and the
council adjourned at twelve o'clock.