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on receiving the gallium, I found the oath Just to 13e
nribed it, in inelyie te
eyes read. I did not " cavil," for merely IrlijAed the
the discovery to my two friends ; and next 8-1, Cite:
Seeretsiry in riffantl..". . Un
blveetci.,vrtliel 10 700yt

Times. I

••• uclauts "UV LV IILOK aL 1G; out. uuc or,'
rated the remark, "I am not a priest,—l am not ayd been
I did not ``publicly intimate that an attempt all;
and
therefore your inference of its being
made to deceive me ;" nor did I " insinuate" at
_table,
ical
" untrue," and " unpardonable," is simplY
You next tell me,—

znu ort yuu were oouna TO ascent... •--2.1
was, which you could have done (as I have done it) or House
to the evidence taken before a committee of thetiallY ex-
Lordsin
_1825, where the whole matter is circurnstan

plained." Let nle
This is the most important part of your letter• h long;
fairly examine it. I must quote your words, thong
' Are there more oaths than one, or more
" Upon that occasion the Right Rev. Dr. Doyle is n,,st, gnu'
one?'—` Only one oath ; and that oath, as found in
desire or
deal. has 111pn nindifiors eXPreS:—.lrPSSi°l
en. in
Pei;

s On
the CatholicbishoP;i;rreland; for there w•a
in it which seemed to give offence to persons prof

exP"r
;sing 8 ,
se-
• ,A_

gion different from ours
guar et imnuauabo.' T

it was this
conrii 4 NI.

hero.-writooa,
was tin„c,,,ioti9o

ue wuru - perserw ''d an oo"bi the
by persons differina* from us, as if it impost sense 0 foi„
upon us by an oath to persecute in the ordinal.% only to of.
word. The meaning which we attributed to it atit', by Prii°oic
low up by argument, and to convince. if we it was st.
However, Loath was an ambiguous expression, ffbere.'S., of
eut of the ." Is any other oath taken 7" „raessqs"an
other oath taken by a bishop except the ordinary r verVni,
faith, which any Christian may take as wellasip, froTe of it,'
oath taken by archbishops on receiving thensostall',. not an
'but I am not acquainted with the form all,' Is ther%tchbi-
oath taken by an archbishop7'—` Thereai'
Szc., p. 227. Archbishop Murray is slot', • an
I have " IshoP
shop yourself, have you taken that oath?'.; the
Boni, „ken the'

same oath a second time; the same oath wo"71-4/1//iin't.•
P. 657. Did this oath undergo an alteration a
takes at consecration he also takes glv
Prejudices
0
1791 V--' It underwent an alteration to suit the 1,.
those who mistook the meaning of the oath.' P.
es that your
" This evidence, taken 25 years ago, clearly
Pli°stered to Irish
accusation was groundless, for the oath admin
and to English bishops is the same." infra
All this and much more than this I was well acqua
of
with by means of Phelan's and O' Sullivan's Dig,esbom
the Evidence taken before Select Committees of
steel
of of Parliament appointed to Inquire into the 5'41
of Ireland in 1824-25. But how will yon be surpriseuf
my zealous opponent, when I inform you that the at
evidence you have quoted has no more to do
sub'
ject Roman Catholic Church in England, which is the slit':
ject before us, than with the Roman Catholic Church IL'
he
Italy or Austria ; Pmight argue with far greater force the
persecuting clause is taken by a Romish bishop in En
land because it is taken by a Romish bishop in Italy the
you you do when you say it is not taken in Ireland, ther that
ut the Yep
it is not taken in England. Let me just shew You the
" I have done as you say you have done," by presenting
you with a document handed into the Lords' Conagitt,
by the Roman Catholic Archbishop Curtis. It is Comm 1f
lows :
1791, the archbishops of the kingdom of Ireland
boo and.
At an audience of his Holiness held on the 9th daY °f.j...uen%e:
plained to our most holy Lord that, through the ignarnwords
dishonesty (not very courteous) of some persons, certaul,ornan
found in the form of oath which, according to the i'verted
ritual, is to be taken by bishops and archbishops, are lcuitieS•
into a strange sense, and that, in addition to those di R. which must occur every day In a kingdom where the Al; C
Catholic religion has not the dominion, they are oumoblY
count thrown into new perplexities ; whence theY„ "ess he
would, in his apostolic wisdom, provide some
beg that, as far as may seem expedient to his Hon° of'de-
livering them. Accordingly, his Holiness Navin:'. has
stance of the undersigned, maturely considered all things and
graciously given indulgence that the Irish archhishlion of
bishops may use the form of oath which, by the permi!c,„ire
th
his said Holiness, the Archbishop of Mohilew, in e
of Russia, has taken." tiflealt
You will find that this oath, and that in the Pot fp.
r a se
are word for word the Fame, with the exception of
tence at the end, and the omission of the clause 10
- _
mean in'

pute.
This omission is permitted in "a kingdom where thl
Catholic religion has not the dominion," and of courssetl;
is not permitted where it has the dominion. and cease_..t.
Bossaval
be permitted as soon as it attains dominion•
quoted by Delahogue, whose class•book is in use ae
Maynooth, says, " The Church commands that, as far itt
possible, the canons be observed. She indulges,sbe
cases of necessity, that they be occasionally re!axed' uch,
tolerates
whatsoever she cannot punish without 01
inconvenience."

You have applied to the English Roman car am
tepCere
rtilousyerrocc
uhuf
0: whatrifnuwgr
thhi
cehirs,
Itelychl
acotlpuDes exclusive]
Wiseman
saiepl
Imp
olaibenteadbi
olnee
as tbnosootti the,
odlnr iii liontdhoel
sorEq
peuncooegkptleeit
English
oricriwnnoehAßomxarfotct
Isohiebybieesiosisipenuil
r:Bphe
Bishops
made
eqs usloietnaecvdeari
rnetcamghhs
out,an authority 1 fore , thes
it, that
partltghot f
ttob ehCala,redri neamPesmpbreirnetdedthPaotn
there
hifieerred
hwfilsii which
beenrelates
dt°:•obs:
ebeimßslbieofeonrriminagal.tlinoani
. n° Engh t
portion of the book has, therefore, never been used at au- /
gallium
ii,ihnnnot bfyroamn
I stated merely the fact in my letter to the Tirgest.rue,
It is ade
"no English Roman Catholic Archbishop has been %on
in England since the Reformation," and, " that runt
schweeah,i,
`Y
o•iii:sonounlnul
inbdadytaeiscr
enlighteningoto,B krcvel 3 ,
pro
otouuosreene enlighten
posse
the oath contained
the'
of the book has, therefore, never been used at a:llen.rne'd:lisli
you will be gratified to find that "that portion Arch,
book" is ready for use, and that the next Remish ser
bishop will enjoy the luxury of swearing " heretic°
gliathhrotkeew: nr
tjohtuhwasettn
.i,: mindsyou your
of remark— others olaht °t a
persequar et imvugnabo."
•ovea'
Any private exemptions or special indulgences eel discuss
by Dr. Wiseman on the subject of oaths I cannot diseduti
No doubt the Cardinal will, bye and by, feel it big velr
to publish these, as such publication is now imperat, ro
required. Liguori, whose life is written, and wb°se "Icialt
theology is applauded and commended by the Cardiwbe
enunciates one doctrine, which I should suppose 08/o,
found very convenient where " the Roman h
Catholtic s
be
ligion is not dominant," viz., " However, let oa
ever so vßlid, they can be relaxed by the church." ,A be
ays:loi add, if
intoif
dt the clause
England
ar:ibthiefighigood,tobpe
bad,w
ehes
wboler,
yg,i
fiL,',osiitas!
onemx excused
aau mlnsl etaidym thetakingj just
sii bishops ho p a of Italy, Austria, Spain, &C., ta..--ei fai
indulgence to leave out the clause, -I
engage to sho
I have in part done in reply to Dr. Wiseman 's rn:lflleesti%
advertised in this day's Times, that, were the claus.,,e.
question left out, the worst part of the oath still remain
I thank you for your valuable advice,— war ill
" Combat the Roman Catholics if you will, but wage wisp
a spirit of moderation, candour, and truth,—like a "jver sioll2
that we ',2 and a gentleman. It is not by coarse invectives, by per_
_so
of history, and incorrect representations of facts,
either of us confute oar opponents or do credit to ourselli
And merely add my conviction that you will be nnle _,,d
tified by being informed that I have long ago anticipao'vegro,
5.
it.—l am, your faithful servant, 0.
London, Dec. 3. JOHN CUligni

pmt
i
Mr. Bo
werhas written a reply to a
the above, but,
is merely critical and contains only advice to Dr. CTr,.
Ming about courtesy and mild language, we do not itservl.