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HOUSE OF COMMONS.-THURSDAY

Notice was given by" Mr. WARD that he will move an
amendment on the third reading of the Irish Arms Bill, with
a view to open the Question as to a're-distribution of the
revenues of the Established Church, having due regard to
existing proprietary rights, and to the maintenance of spiri-
tual instruction on a scale adapted to the Protestant popu-
lation of Ireland.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the order
of the day for the house resolving itself into committee on

the sugar duties.
Mr. COBDEN moped, - as an amendment, a resolution to
the effect that, considering the burdens of the country in
supporting the civil, military, and naval establishments of
the British colonies, it was not expedient that we should con-
tinue to pay higher duties for colonial than for foreign pro-
duce, and that therefore all protective duties in favour of co-
lonial produce should be done away with. The hon. gentle-
man enumerated many of the expenses to which this country
was put in maintaining its colonies, and said that even those
colonies which were established upon the self.supporting
principle still drew large sums from this country, instancing
New Zealand, the estimate of which for the present year .was
£61,000, and South Australia, which, though only eight
years in existence, had drawn from this country over £400,000.
Still more recently we had established a colony at Falkland
Islands, where they grew neither corn nor timber, and the
estimate for this colony, which consisted,of only 78 persons,
including the government officers, was £.1.000. Lie was
aware there was a party in the liguse, designating itself Young
England, and whose ruling print-vide was, ships, colonies, and
commerce. Now lie would tell that party that not one third
of our exports went to the colonies, Ina' the value of the
goods exported to them, exclusive df the East J tidies, did not
exceed £10,000,000. Our colonial policy could not be better
illustrated than by the example of a shopkeeper who made it
a principle to present half a sovereign to every customer who
dealt with him. Our colonial trade was of no.more value
to us than our foreign trade, and taking. a common-sense
view of our colonial policy, he had no hesitation in saying
that the affairs of the country were managed with less wis-
dom than was requisite for the management of a chandler's
shop. He could not see why we should pay a double price
for our sugars. The hon. gentleman then contended that
the extent of our colonial trade was grossly exaggerated,
there being only 5,000,000 of people in all our colonies, ex-
clusive of the East Indies.

The SPEAKER decided that the amendment was informal,
and

Mr. COBDEN therefore withdrew it, saying that he would
take the discussion upon Mr. Ewart's amendment for the re-
duction of the duty on foreign sugar to the same amount as
that on colonial in committee.
Mr. EWART moved his amendment.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. said it would have
given him great pleasure to be able to propose a reduction of
the duty and thus increase the consumption of the article,
but the present state of the revenue forbade his attempting
any such experiment. It had been admitted by successive
parliaments, that our colonies were entitled to protection,
and even were the duty to be reduced, as was proposed by
Mr. Hawes, to 345, the increased consumption would be
small as there was a reasooable expectation that our own
colonies would be able to furnish an adequate supply. The
difference between the duty proposed_by Mr. Hawes and that

now in existence would not 'create a difference of more than

2s in the price between foreign and colonial sugars, and small
as this would he to the home consumer, it would be very un-
important, as a burden on free labour and as a bounty to slave-
grown produce. Being of opinion' therefore that the govern-
ment proposition was, under all circumstances, most conduc-
ive to national interests, be would content himself with simply
moving the continuance of the sugar duties for another year.
Mr. EWART thought the Chancellor of the Eschequer had
great assurance to bring forward such a motion after he had
himself so frequently admitted the correctness of the princi-
ples of free trade. The hon. member contended that the
sugar monopoly raised the price of sugar to the poorer classses,
and by resisting the supply had actually caused a loss to the
revenue, estimated by one authority at no less than ten mil-
lions in the course of seven years. Ile regretted that a trade
with Brazil had not been established, which it might have
been bad we reduced the duty on foreign sugar, and contended
such a reduction, with a reduction also of the duty on tea,
would be 'eminently beneficial to the country.
Mr. JAMES said the house ought not to listen to the pro-
posal of reducing the duty on foreign sugar to the same level
as the duty on colonial. After paying £20,000,000 towards
the emancipation of slaves, it was astonishing that any man

pretending to statesmanship should make a proposition the
effect of which would be to increase all the horrors of slavery,
H owever true might be the principles of free trade abstractedly,
His property

nesent cam
, which formerly realised £3OOO per annum,

they were not applicab'
in the West Ind

was now productive of, absolute loss.
Mr. BKRNAL said that the £20,000,000 so magnificently
given by this country to put an end to slavery, was neverthe-
less no compensation to the West India Proprietors, for their
properties did not now yield them one:twentieth of their
former revenues. The emancipated slaves would not work
more than four days a week, which was sufficient to supply
their temperate mode of living, even though they .worked but
a few hours of even those four days. For his own part he
he had been four years cultivating his properties in the West
Indies, and had not received oue shilling of profit, even with-

out making any allowance for;interest on capital. His pro-
perties were good ones, wholly unencumbered and free from
debt, and if, under such favourable circumstances, he could
obtain no profit in four years, what must be the state of
those estates less favourably situated? They were cultiva-
ted now at a loss, because the proprietors were reluctant to
abandon them ; but make such a change as that proposed,
and all the smaller properties must be given up, and the
black population would become listless and indolent, They
should continue the protecting duties until they supplied the
West India proprietors with free !Amor: They had preven-
ted them from obtaining it from the west coast of Africa by
an outcry that they were about to establish a sort of second-
ary slavery, and the result was the blacks would not work,
and the proprietor's could obtain labour no where else.
On a division; the amendment of Mr. Ewart was defeated

by a majority of 135 to 50.
Mr. HAWES then moved that the duty on foreign sugar
should be reduced to 345, which was opposed by
Mr. GtansToNE, who admitted that he was far from con-
'gratulating himself for the exclusion of sugar from the tariff
of last year; he did not therefore object on commercial
grounds to the principle of the lion. gentleman. As respected
the revenue, lie did not think the proposition would have any
material effect. The question, therefore, was whether it
would have such an effect on prices would materially facili-
tate consumption—a question lie felt bound to answer in the
negative. But although it would not benefit the consumer,
it might materially prejudice the colonial producer. If the
duty were to be altered at all, it should he altered to such an
extent as would insure a largely increased consumption. He
admitted that the reduction of this duty would be advantage-
ous in a commercial point of view ; but still foreign nations
could not be so prejudiged as not to perceive that this was
one of the sacrifices which this country had made, and still
was making, with a view to the abolition of slavery.
Mr. LABOUCHERE supported the motion of Mr. Hawes,
contending, that for the interests of the trade of the country,
for the interests of the consumer. for the interests of the co-
lonists themselves, the time had arrived when the monopoly
of sugar should be done away with.
Sir R. PEEL said the government had submitted proposi-
tions to the Brazilian government for the purpose of placing
the commercial relations of the two countries upon a solid
basis. These propositions had reference to the free admis-
sion of sugar from the Brazils to this country, on the condi-
tion that t he Brazils should take steps to ameliorate the con-
dition of slavery in that country as a first step to its ultimate
extinction. The Brazilian government required that the
agricultural produce of Brazil should be admitted' into this
country at a differential duty in favour of our colonies of only
ten per cent. Under the impression that this was the ulti-
matum of the Brazilian government, the negotiations were
broken off, but there was still reason to expect, before the•
expiration of the existing treaty, that an advantageous ar-
rangement might be concluded with that country. The right
honourable baronet contended that the practical effect of
opening the English market to Brazilian sugar would be to
give encouragement to slavery. In order to show the effect
of the abolition of slav6lT on West India estates the right hon.
baronet read a return (ruin one of them which returned
£lO,OOO a year before the abolition of slavery, £6400 during
the apprenticeship, but which, during the three years since
the expiration Of the apprenticeship, had lost £3OBO per an-
num—a proof that the £20,000,000 was not a sufficient com-
pensation for the loss they had already sustained.
The committee then divided, and Mr. Hawe's amendment
was defeated by a majority of 203 to 122.
The original motion to renew the annual sugar duties was
then agreed to, and the bill passed through committee.
The other orders of the day were disposed of, and the house
adjburned.

HOULE OF LORDS.--FIUDAY

The Princess Augusta's Annuity Bill was read a second
time, the committee was negatived, and the bill was ordered
to he mad a third time on Monday.
Lord BEAUNIONT inquired if there were any objection to
produce further information on the subject of Servia ?
The Earl of ABEILDF.EN said he had no objection to the
production of any information in possession of the Govern-
ment.

Lord DENMAN called attention to a measure which he un-
derstood to be contemplated by the Government for establish-
ing a winter circuit for England. He thought a measure of
such importance ought not to be adopted solely on the re-
sponsibility of a Government, but ought to be sanctioned by
the authority of Parliament. He suggested that it would be
better, instead of adopting a measure which would require
additional judges and impose much additional labour on
sheriffs, freeholders, tradesmen,
&c., that power should be
given to her Majesty to issue a special commission into dif-
ferent districts as occasion might require. He ;vindicated
the judges from some reflections which had been least upon
them for delaying their opinions on matters of importance
which had been submitted to them by 'Parliament. The de-
lay was solely attributable to the onerous duties of the judges,
which left them scarcely an hour's leisure from the beginning
of November until the end of August.
should be adopted to ensure the more speedy
The Duke of RICHMOND thought that some measure
trial of offend-
ers, but thought that this might be attained more effectually
by a special commission than by a third assize.
Lord CAMPBELL wished to see an exchange of circuits
between the English and Irifih judges.
Lord HATHERTON called attention to the anomaly that
personal property, if it exceeded one million, was exempted
from probate duties, an exemption which he considered to be
unfair and unnecessary.
Lord MONTEAGLI; said there was a further anomaly, for
if the property exceeded one million, but was scheduled in
two provinces, it was liable to be charged the full amount of
duty.

Lord Wu A lINCLINTE said that there could be no doubt but
that the Chancellor of the Exchequer would gladly listen to.
any proposition for increasing the revenue : but in point of
fact, when the limitation was first made, it was never sup-
posed that any person could possess such an amount as one
million of personal property.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that the times having
changed. the law ought to change also.
Some bills on the table were forwarded a stage, and their
lordships adjourned.

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occasion, ne wouto move an address to har Majesty expres•
sive of the jealousy of the people of this country of foreign
interference in theirdomestic policy, and praying that his
Majesty the King of Hanover might not be employed in any
civil or military capacity—that his advice might be received
with caution, and that he be not allowed to vote by proxy in
the House of Lords.
Sir J. GRAHAM, in reply to a question from Mr. Wortley,

Lord ELIOT then moved that the house resolve itself into
committee on. the Arms (Ireland) Bill.
Sir H. W. BARRON then moved that it be an instruction
to the committee that the provisions of the bill be extended
to England.

LOII.D ELIOT said the question the house had to decide
was, whether the ratio of crime in both countries was not
such, comparatively, as to call for a different measure of
legislation.
Lord PALMERSTON said that, although much had of late
years been chine for Ireland, yet much remained to do. In ;
his opinion no people were less fairly chargeable with ingra-
titude than the people of Ireland. They were exposed to
many grievances, amongst which it was sufficient to enume-
rate the ejectment of tenants, tithes, the overgrown church
establishment, and the want of a sufficiently numerous par-
liamentary constituency. But a greater grievance than all
these was the existence of the hon. gentlemen on the minis-
terial benchts as a government. (A laugh.) He thought the
union of sentiment between the two countries had been dis-
solved, but he still hoped the legislative union never would
be repealed. He hoped that government did -not mean to
dismiss parliament leaving Ireland in its present state of
excitement, unless they wished to see anarchy spreading
throughout the country.
Sir R. PEEL was willing to admit that the government of
Ireland ought to be conducted in a spirit of moderation,
concession , forbearance, and perfect impartiality. He strongly
condemned the ejection of tenants in Ireland, amidst loud
cheering from both sides of the house. He said that each
landlord about to exercise such an authority should recollect
that other landlords had /right to pursue the same course,
and that if pursued to any considerable extent the result
might be insurrection from the number of persons thus flung
upon the world without means of existence. The right lion.
baronet expressed his determination to support the Esta-
blished Church and the legislative union, believing that there
was no security for the continued eminence of this great
country except in the maintenance of the legislative union,
and lie hoped that men of all opinions and creeds, duly con-
sidering the consequences of a severance, and what had been
the expressed opinions of every public man of every party—
he did hope that the government might confidently rely that
the House of Commons would avow its determination to
rescue Ireland from the misery which must be inflicted on
it were the insane project of a repeal of the union to be
carried out.
Lord SEYMOUR said that the state of Ireland was to be
attributed to the menu' es of the present Goverment.
Mr. SUAw said he could not imagine that the motion of
the hon. member for Waterford was seriously proposed.
Mr. J. M. O'CONNELL thought that Sir R. Peel had given
no answer whatever.to the arguments of Lord Palmerston.
Colonel V EUNER. defended the proceedings of the orange-
men of Ireland ; they had never interfered with the proces-
sions on St. Patrick's-day.
Lord EBRINGTON said that the speech of Lord Stanley on
a former evening was calculated to caust deep regret to all
those who had hoped to see a different course adopted to-
wards Ireland, in which country it could not fail to produce
the very effects they were now striving to prevent.
Lord J. RUSSELL said, that when the present government
took office, such was the profound tranquility of Ireland that
they were enabled to discharge eight stipendiary magistrates,
nearly the whole of whoril thy had since been compelled to
reappoint. He regrettell equally the course pursued by the
Government and that pursued by Mr. O'Connell, producing
as they did, the present state of excitement in Ireland.
Mr. TRELAWNEY thought this bill would only tend to keep
up the existing excitement, instead of allaying it.
Lord DUNGANNON supported the measure, as likely to
quiet the present discontent in Ireland, which arose from the
machinations of agitators and demagogues.
Mr. WARD felt gratified at hearing the speech of Sir R.
Peel, which he looked upon as au answer to that of Sir J.
Graham on a former evening.
After some observations from Mr. WvsE and Mr. Ross,
Mr. DUNCOMBE said, that hon. members on his side of
he house were, like himself, in a false position as regarded
this bill, which they bad supported in 1838 and 1840, though
now opposing it. For his own part, he owned his error, and
hearing the objections of the Irish members to the bill, he
felt he ought to oppose it.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD, Mr. W. S. O'BRIEN, and Lord
CLEMENTS subsequently addressed the house, after which
Sir H. W. BARRON expressed his willingness to withdraw
the amendment, which was acceded to by the house.
On the motion that the Speaker leave the chair,
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE asked Sir IL Peel if the Lord Chan-
cellor of Ireland, in dismissing certain Irish magistrates, in
consequence of what had transpired in Parliament, had de-
rived his information from the Government as to what had
so occurred, or from the public prints. If from the latter,
he had no right to act upon such information, because its
publication' was a breach of the privileges of Parliament.
Sir J. GRAHAM declined to answer a question put to him
in the tone and manner of the hon. gentleman, but in justice
to the Lord Chancellor of Ireland felt it necessary to say that
he had conveyed to the Lord Chancellor the intention of her
Majesty's Government to maintain the union between the
countries, together with instuctions to mark with the utmost
displeasure the conduct of those magistrates who had at-
tended the very exciting meetings which took place in Ire-
land. • -

Lord J. RUSSELL said the right hon. baronet should also
produce the letter which he wrote, communicating the desire
of her Majesty respecting the dismissal of the magistracy.
There ought to be some other public document to justify the
course pursued by the Lord Chancellor, besides the mere
report contained in a newspaper.
After some observations' from Lord JOCELYN, Mr. HE.
DINGTON, Mr. AGLIONBY, and Mr. W. S. O'BRIEN, re-
specting the communications between Sir J. Graham and the
Lord Chancellor of Ireland,
Lord El owicx regretted the course which had been pur-
sued by the government in dismissing those magistrates, and
Laid a measure of such importance should have been the re.
suL of consideration, and should be carried into effect by
means of formal documents.
• In reply to a question ;from Lord EBRINGTON as to the
date of the communication to the Lord Chancellor of Ire-
land,

Sir J. GRAHAM said there were several communications
prior to the dismissal of the magistrates.
The house then went into committee.
Mr. Itedington moved the postponement of the first clause,
which led to some discussion and a division, in which the
postponement was defeated by a majority of 177 to 74.
On our return to the gallery, we found that the house had
resumed, and'the Chairman reported progress.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and
the house adjourned.

THE CHURCH,

The Bishop of Ripon consecrated two churches in York-
shire last week. One at Burley in Warfedale, and the other
at Manningham.

THE REV. MR. HENN'S RESIGNATION.—We feel the
utmost gratific'ation at being enabled to announce that the
Rev. William Henn has resigned his office of Chaplain and
Secretary to the Lord Bishop of Derry.—Londonderry
Sentinel.

Her Majesty has been graciously pleased to add to her
former contribution in aid of the funds for erecting a new
church, (the exterior of which is now completed) at Windsor,
the further liberal sum of 200 guineas. His Royal High-
ness Prince Albert has added 100 guineas to his further hand-
some donation. The whole sum benesolently presented to
the Church Building Committee by her Majesty and her il-
lustrious Consort now amounts to 600 guineas.

THE COURT

Her Majesty's visit to Drury-lane Theatre on Monday
week, at the present reduced prices, produced £6OO.
Her majesty, on Wednesday night, honoured the Sain
James's Theatre with her presence, for the second time thi
season.

It is stated in a Worcester paper that the Queen Dowager
has selected Witlev Park, Worcestershire, the magnificent
seat of Lord Ward, for her summer 'residence.

The King of Hanover intends to remain in this country
until the last week in the ensuing month, or the first week in
August.—Slandard. [Comfort for Joey Hume!]

There are at present three Queens and two Kings in Lon-
don : the Queen of England, the Queen Dowager, and the
Queen of the Belgians; the King of Hanover and the King
of the Belgians.

FATAL ACCIDENT TO A NIECE OF THE DUKE OF WEL-
LINGTON.-His Excellency Lord Cowley and his family have
been visited with a severe affliction. His eldest son, the Hon.
Mr. Wellesley, Cliarg6 d'Affaires at Stutgard, was travelling,
with his wife and children, from that city to Paris, to pass
the summer with his Excellency at the Château de la Folie
Saint-James. The noble travellers had changed horses at
Chkeau-Thierry, in the afternoon of Monday, and were pro-
ceeding on their journey, when the door of the caleche, being
too loosely shut, flew open, and one of Mr. Wellesley's
daughters, seven years old, who was standing against it look-
ing. out, fell on to the road. She escaped the wheels, but
when taken up she was found to be quite dead, her skull
being fractured by the fall. The news of this lamentable ac-
cident was brought in the night •to the Château de la Folie
amen, and Lord and Lady Cowley immediately set out
for Chateau-Thierry, from which they have since returned
with the other part of the family.

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THuE KING AND QUEEN OF THE BELGIANS.—Their Ma-
jesties and suite left Ostend at half-past seven o'clock on
Friday morning in the Ariel steam packet, commanded by
Captain Smithett, and arrived at Woolwich at eight o'clock
on Friday evening. On landing their Majesties were re-
ceived by Viscount Hawarden, lord in waiting on the Queen;
Lord George Lennox. lord in waiting on Prince Albert ; Lord
Bloomfield, colonel-commandant of the royal regiment of ar-
tillery ; Captain Sir Francis Collier, R.N., superintendent
of the royal dockyard ; and Colonel Parke, of the royal ma-
rines. A guard of honour of the royal marines was on duty
in the dockyard, and received their Majesties with the usual
honours. Their Majesties, attended by the Countess Vilain
Quatorze, Baron de Dieskau, and M. de Moerkerke, and also
by Viscc not Hawarden and Lord GeOrge Lennox, left the
royal dockyard, in one of the Queen's carriages, for town,
escorted by a party of the royal horse artillery, commanded
by Mr. Maude. The escort attended the august visitors to
Greenwich. Their Majesties arrived at Buckingham Palace,
on a visit to the Queen, at half-past nine o'clock, and were
received by her Majesty and Prince Albert. Her Royal
Highness the Duchess of Kent arrived from Clarence House,
and visited her august relatives after their arrival.

We understand that Samuel Pott, the man charged with
forging the Epworth petition, was taken to London yester-
day by a messenger from the Hoye of Commons.—Doncas-
ter Chronicle.

CUSTOMS' ORDERS.—By a Treasury order, dated the 12th
instant, cocoa paste, the growth and manufacture of a British
possession abroad, is allowed to be shipped free of duty, as
ships stores.

Among the parliamentary notices Lord Ashley has one
which stands for Tuesday, July 4, to the following effect :
To ask for leave to bring in a bill to establish, regulate, and
protect societies for the improvement of the condition of the
industrious classes by extending the allotment or field-garden
system, and the more general establishment or loan-funds in
England and Wales.
The following notice was affixed to the door of a parish
church in the neighbourhood of Potton :—" The surveyor gives
Noties that a Rat has been signed by two of her majesties
justices of the Peas."— C'ambridye Independent.
THE Liow Tian:ft.—Van Amburgh, the celebrated lion
tamer, will be at Sunderland, on Wednesday, Thursday, and
Friday, in next week ; he will then visit North and South
Shields, and on the following Tuesday he will make his pub-
lic entry into NeWcastle, through the streets of which he will
drive in hand his eight celebrated cream-coloured horses.
This distinguished character visited Stockton-upon-Tees, on
Monday last, when all the principal shops were closed, and
business entirely suspended. One of the most remarkable
features of Van Amburgh's exhibition is his living Giraffe,
which is the only one that travels the provinces.—Durham
paper.

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