The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1850-02-12 00:00:00

TUE LlVilitrOOL ,STANDAIIL

think it was highly improper' oil the part of the Dock
Committee in return for all this, say that they had
received no benefit from their connecti,' n with the Cor-
poration. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. Alderman J. B. MOORE, in a long spet.7lll stated
that Mr. Hornby had now given expression to oi!nions
different from those he once held. He described the no:th
extension as one of the best arrangements that ever was
made since the time of Queen Elizabeth down to the pre-
sent day for the benefit of the Dock Estate and the port
of Liverpool. He contended that the vaunted morality
of the. Corporation was to serve itself, not the Dock
What was the opinion which Mr. Hornby had
'on this point ? He said, If the Dock Com-
[been an independent body, with ordinary and
ommonest forecast, they would have taken care, to
e the land between the docks and the river." Re-
ig to the contract with the Earl of Derby, Mr. Moore
there was this great difference in what he had pointed
out, between the pm chases from the Earl of Derby. which

cost them nothi rig at all, and the -system adopted by the
Corporation of old. In the one case they took care when
the committee secured the north shore they should have
the river frontage. They took care there should be no
intermediate land, and that they should get an amount
of land there that would accommodate not only the pre-
sent but the future wants of the port. As this land had
been particularly ail Ivied to, he would undertake to say
that there never was such an arrangement attended with
the same amount of accommodation, and at the same cost,
When he told them they would have accommodation and
storeage much lower than at presont, when he said at
half the cost, or at a quarter the cost, he was far above
the mark, for they would have it a great deal less. It
was in evidence before the Committee of the House of
Commons by himself, that the.works, including the cost
of the sea-wall, and everything connected with it, would
come out under £5 per yard, and he was sure, even then,
it would be considerably uuder that sum, therefore, they
could afford to accommodate timber there at a rental that
was unheard of at the southern end of the town. Con-
nected with the securing of the frontage of the river, he
would refer to the conduct of the Corporation on pur-
chasing a portion of the shore at the south end from Lord
Sefton. They took care not to give Lord Sefton tli front-
age of the river. They had forecast, and were wise
enough to secure that to themselves, and very properly so.
They did not follow out the same doctrine when treating
with the docks ; they made them a present of the waste
inland and obliged them to fill up and make the land
between that and the river frontage for themselves. They
pursued one system for themselves and another for the
docks. The Dock Committee, in modern times, had im-
proved by their example ; and seeing the great error com-
mitted by them in former days, they took care to secure
the privilege of the river frontage in the northern part of
the town, and, therefore, whatever advantage Lord Derby
derived from the adjacent property W'li contingent on the
success of the undertaking, so tar as r .carded the dock
estate. What would have been their position if they had
not got this property ? TI ey were about to excavate for
docks at Wapping ; and it they had not this waste land
to put down the deposits upon, they would have been
obliged to go to Lord Derby over again, cap in hand, to
ask permission to put the spoil of the excavations on this
land ; and then, when this was done, they would be obliged
to go and purchase this land, having first made this land
worth some 15s. or 20s. per yard, by the deposits they had
placed upon it. (Hear, hear.) He said they had got
some 200 or 300 acres of land for nothing, for which they
did not pay one shilling, and which they might have greatly
enhanced in value for Lord Derby, if they had not taken
it from him. They would find that the only land and the
only purchase which had been made by the Corporation
for the Dock Committee, and handed over at cost price,
was a part of the Queen's Dock, and a part of the ground
on the other side of Bath-street, which led to the river.
These purchases did not amount to more than £60,000 or
£7o,ooo—he would say £100,000; and when they took
that fr0m,£909,000, they would still have a balance of
£809,000 left, which had principally been made from the
sale of land formed from the spoil of the dock estate, and
sold to them by the Corporation. (Hear, hear.) With
regard to the document.which Mr. Hornby had referred
to on the north shore question, it had always been the
doctrine, and a very proper one, too, when they had land
to sell, to get as much for it as it was worth. But to talk
to him (Mr. Moore) of giving land to the dock estate for
less than its value was preposterous. Why, the last time
that he bad the honour, in connection with Mr. J. N.
Wood, now no longer a member of the Dock Committee,
and Mr. Middleton, to treat for land which was princi-
pally made by the spoil of the dock estate, the Finance
Committee demanded £460,000 for it; that which was so
much under the value of the property, they subsequently
sold for £225,000. Mr. Moore concluded by referring
to a pamphlet which had been published that day upon
the subject of the removal of the timber trade to the north,
on one of the statements of which he commented.
Mr. LANGSDALE defied Mr. Moore to show one instance
where a timber merchant had to dispose of timber for
want of storage room.
Mr. MOORE replied that in many instances he bad
known parties to apply to him, to use his inflaence to
prevent them being fined for having timber lying on the
quays. _ _ _

Mr. LLOYD contended there was sufficient room for the
timber trade at the south end. Mr. Moore's st atements
were all nonsense. He begged to. tell Mr. Moore he
knew more about the timber trade than he could possibly
know. (Hear, and laughter.)
Mr. FISHER, as an importer of timber, stated that
owing to the want of room at the south end of the town,
he was at the mercy of the timber dealers.

Mr: Ala 01.1,, an if ....or WIi6AL _ aa-a
of the Dock committee on the statement which had been
that day made. He could not agree with Mr. Parker
that the chairman of the Dock Committee had any inten-
tion of turning the tables. The statement was clear and
lucid ; and there was no turnimg the tables, for the sub-
ject would come before the Council for discussion. With
regard to the observations which had been made about
the old Corporation and the Dock Committee, the gen-
tlemen forgot that they were the same, and could have no
interest but the general interest of the town at heart. He
(Mr. Horsfall) regretted the unseemly discussion and the
unseemly dissension which had taken place between the
Council and the Dock Committee, and he thought it was
high time that an end should be put to it. (Hear, hear.)
He hoped the chairman of the Dock Committee would
endeavour to promote a friendly feeling between the two
bodies. If he did so, he would be deserving of the
thanks of the community. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. HORNBY explained that the circumstances referred
to by Mr. Moore, did not at present exist, and the justi-
fication for his present course was in the altered state of
the circumstances.—(Hear.) The document which had
been referred to was signed seventeen years ago, when
the corporation was managed by thirty gentlemen, self-
elected. It was on that ground he objected to the con-
tinuance of the Dock Trust in their hands. The moment
the altered state of things took place, the moment the
burgesses returned their own representatives, ho became
the advocate for placing_the estate in their.hapds. _

Alderman MooRE said that Mr. Hornby had stated one
thing which was not the fact, that the time he signed the
petition in question the Dock Committee and Council
were one. Now, an alteration of the trust took place
under the 6th of Geo. IV., in 1825, and the document
was signed in 1838. _ _ _ _

Mr.-Housny (warmly).--I beg-to say that I have stated
nothing but what is the fact.
Mr. All. MOORE.—Not as to dates.

Mr. HORNBY said what he mentioned was this—his
reason for opposing the corporation in the management
of the Dock Trust was because the members of the cor-
poration were self-elected.—(Hear.) The moment the
change took place in 1836, when the inhabitants elected
their own representatives, he became an advocate for the
connection between the Corporation and Dock Estate ;
until that time he was opposed to it.

After a few words in reply from Mr. Littledale, the pro-
ceedings were confirmed._ _ _ _ _ _

Mr. HoRNBY moved that the statement of the Dock
Committee, together with Mr. Stewart's letter, should be
referred to the Finance Committee. Carried,

DRAWAL OF THE NEW SANATORY BILL

On the suggestion of the Town-clerk,
Mr. PARKER moved that the amended Sanatory Bill
should be withdrawn for the present, in accordance with
the recommendation of the Health Committee. Agreed.
The Council then adjourned to Wednesday next, leav-
ing a considerable amount of business undisposed of.

BLUE-COAT BROTRERLY SOCIETY...—OR. Wednesday
evening, the eleventh annual dinner of the-members of
this excellent society was held at Whiteman's, Brunswick
Hotel. Upwards of seventy members sat down to dinner.
Mr. Wood occupied the chair. Several excellent speeches
were made during the evening, and the proceedings went
off with great eclat. It may be necessary to state that the
members of this society were all educated in the Bine-
coat School, and that the object of the society is to supply
clothing to Blue-coat boys, whilst serving their appren-
ticeships, who may be unable to clothe themselves. Each
member is also supplied with a sum of money to com-
mence business with ; no interest is charged, and the
money is repaid by monthly instalments.
WALLASEY COMMISSIONERS.—The usual monthly
meeting took place on Thursday evening, Mr. Mann in
the chair. It was decided to fill in a ditch situated
between Seacombe and Egremont, by which three feet
would be gained in the footpath, and which would cost
£l3. At the . desire of Mr.. Barton. the letter from Mr.
Colbourn, relative to the state of the inclined planes, on
the north and south side of Egremont Ferry, which had
been considered at the last meeting, was again read. It
bad been decided that the repairs on the north side should
be done, but, in consequence of the non-fulfilment of an
agreement on the part of Mr. Fletcher, it was agreed that
the south side should not be repaired. It was agreed to
increase the present police force by the addition of three
officers.
ARCHITECTURAL AND ARCHMOLOGICAL
The fortnightly meeting was held at the Royal Institu-
tion, Colquitt-street, on Wednesday night, Mr. J. A.
Picton in the chair, Mr. S. Huggin read a paper on
" The architecture of the day." He reminded us of the
connexion of architecture with art, and its consequent
dignity. Art shed a halo round the lowest soldier in the
army she employed ; and a mason or a joiner would be
none the worse for understanding the true nature of his
occupation. He expressed an opinion that architecture in
the present day was moving in the right direction. There
were some buildings in this town which would not dis-
grace the age in which we live ; but the principal objection
againgst the Liverpool buildings was their diminutiveness.
He alluded to several of our modern buildings and com-
plained of their incompleteness. There were niches with-
out ste.tues ; chimneys without ornament,. He referred
to the, wretched condition of the dwellings of the poor in.
Liverpool, and recommended the erection of " model lodg-
ing'-houses." Architecture was an art which should be
ID ore generally diffused. History was written in stone,
'and not only the history of nations, but of families and
individuals. A discussion, in which the chairman, Mr.
Charles Reed, Mr. Frank Howard, and alien took part,,
followed he reAding of the paper,

LIVERPOOL UNION BANK.—On Thursday, the yearly
meeting of this bank was held in the Clarendon-rooms.
Mr. Alderman Chilton presided. Mr. Lister, the manager
of the bank, read the report of the directors, from which
it appeared that the nett profit arising from the transac-
tions of the bank, for the year, deducting all bad debts,
was £23,748 35., and after deducting a dividend of 6 per
cent. on the paid-up capital, amounting to £18,748 35.,
in•rluding income tax, a balance of £5OOO remained to be
cartieJ to the surplus fund, whicli would then amount to
f.. 35,000-. The thanks of the rneeti2s, together with a
sum of £5OO, were then voted to the d::ectors for their
services during
the past year. -The thanks of ,the meeting
were then voted to Mr. Lister.
HISTORIC SOCIETY OF LANCASHIRE AND r
The fourth meeting of, this society for the seas
in the Collegiate Institution, on Thursday l' when ut,
fewer than three papers were read, and others laid upon
the table. The Rev. Dr. Thom road an account of the
origin of Scotch Kirks in Liverpool, noticing
order from their first introduction to the/pre&
paper of the Rev. G. B. Sandford's was n

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vacuum in the receiver, and consequently show the degree of
exhaustion on the surface of the abscess.
4. Air-pump.
5. Tube from air-pump to receiver.
6. Elastic gutta percha tube to the patient.

Seacombe, Ist Feb. 1850.

C. J. M.

THE LATE ACCIDENT IN THE ROADE CUTTING
AND THE ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH COMPANY.
TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD.

Stn,—l observe in your paper of the sth the following
passage in your article on the " Accident and Detention
of the Mails on the London and North-Western Rail-
way" :
" With reference to some remarks in our last week's paper,
upon the non arrival of a portion of our telegraphic news, we
have learnt that the Company's wires were thrown down by
the accident."

What the cause of the non-arrival of the telegraphic news
at Liverpool and Manchester was I know not, but it cer-
tainly did not result from the cause stated, for the acci-
dent happened in the Roade cutting, near to Wolverton,
and at this deep cutting the wires of the Electric Tele-
graph Company are carried on the top of the cutting,
which, being in rock, has nearly perpendicular sides ; so
that it was impossible that the running of the train off the
line could affect the telegraph of the Electric Telegraph
Company. Neither the telegraph of the Electric Tele-
graph Company, nor that of the Railway Company, which
passes on the other side of the line, was in any way in.
jured by the accident.
I have sent you the above, in the belief that you would
not knowingly allow your paper to lay the blame of the
absence of the telegraphic news from London on the day
alluded to on the wrong party, nor endeavour to excul-
pate the guilty by accusing the innocent.—l am, sir, &c.,
VERAX.

[Our correspondent, who furnishes his name, is per-
fectly correct in assuming that we would not knowingly
publish an incorrect statement. We were authorised by
the clerks of the Electric Telegraph Company to make
oajeluLlotataLlp ct..a L 4 is Iva. 41..0ni tints. to Dot thomoolyto
right.]

THE " DISTRESSING CASE."

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD

Sin,—A regular reader of the STANDARD, " t 142 dis-
tressing case," described in your last paper, came under
my notice. How it affected others I know not; but,
though no chicken, it melted me to tears. Would that
younger hearts, that ought naturally to be more suscepti-
ble of tender emotions than mine, whose ?fears are in the
yellow leaf, would let the instance here stated, of filial
love sinking under the weight of its obligations, awaken in
theirs a sympathetic chord of devotion, to those to whom
they are by nature allied—to whom a small share of that
devotion, carried in this case to a melancholy extreme,
would prove a balm and comfort in hours of anxious re-
flection, and painful apprehension for their future good.
In this busy hive of commerce, how many youths, Mr.
Editor, are recipients of salaries in their several vocations,
more than ample for their own proper wants, who in
frivolous, not to say sinful pursuits, squander what might
be taken home to parents, to be by them applied towards
the general comforts or wants of the family ; nay, will
meet the anxious looks, and affectionate, solicitous in-
quiry of a mother with impatient remarks, and reply in an
insulting tone of speech, as though their manliness were
questioned, the only indications they can shew of which
are the liberty they have assumed to break the fifth com-
mandment, and the wretched counterfeit, under the name
of it, exhibited in pallid and haggard cheeks the effects
of dissipation and late hours.

Poor unfortunate youth ! who out of his hard earnings
of 3s. 6d. a-week could pay his mother 2s. ; and to be so
overwhelmed at having taken a trifle for a little recrea-
tion on one occasion for himself, as to sink under the op-
pression !
How precious—and, alas ! for the truth of the remark—
for its rarity, is the excellence of such conscientiousness !
How melancholy that such testimony of charitable feeling
should have been so miserably supported ! that a heart so
framed to be the recipient of that enjoyment that doubles
itself in the interchange of charity, blesses him that
gives as well as him that takes," nay, more, the Scripture
saith, "the giver than the receiver,—should have been so
early and cruelly debarred of its happiness by chilling
poverty, and nipped by the winter of despair!_

ALIQUIS.

Liverpool, 31st January, 1830,

FIRES AND LIGHTS ON BOARD SHIPS IN DOCK.
TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD,

SIR,—In your last publication a correspondent, under
the signature of " A Sailor's Friend," has come forward
to advocate the necessity of permitting the use of fires
and lights on shipboard, in this port; and alleges that
such an alteration in the dock regulations would be,
socially and morally, a material benefit to sailors and
others connected with shipping.
I quarrel not with the tone and temper of that letter—
the writer is, I doubt not, actuated by the best motives ;
but as I am one who, on a former occasion, endeavoured
to point out, through the medium of your valuable jour-
nal, tllp inernaqrd eaneer to Property which such an
alteration would involve, and to demonstrate that the ad-
vantages which we are told would fall to the sailor's lot,
exist chiefly in the fertile imaginations of those who first
ilroached this startling innovation, perhaps you would
permit the insertion of a few remarks.
The pith of your correspondent's assertions is, that he
conceives those who have hitherto, through the medium
of the press, represented this case to the public, have
endeavoured to give it an unfavourable and partial colour-
ing, and that the statements made at the public meeting,
got up to petition for an abolition of the present restric-
tions, are as yet unanswered. To these assertions, in all
their bearings, I entirely demur. Those who first set the
agitation on foot did so with all the advantages of pre-
concerted and united purposes ; their object was clearly
defined ; and they had the necessary time at their disposal,
to bring forward whatever facts or arguments might
strengthen their position. The proposers and seconders
had their speeches " made to order" for the occasion,
and the whole fire and light artillery was brought on the
ground primed and loaded. In addition to this, a few
American captains were enlisted, whose duty it was to
add a certain prestige to the affair, by detailing the result
of their experience, with reference to the present working
of the law. On the whole, the affair was well got up.
With all these advantages to start with, nothing approach-
ing to a proof of a necessity for a change was elicited.
On the contrary ; assertions filled the place of argument,
and assumption was substituted for fact. Even the nau-
tical speakers materially damaged the cause they were
brought forward to strengthen ; for they imprudently let
out that pecuniary and personal gain was at the bottom
of their motives, and their audience were by no means
slow in giving them full credit for their intentions. In a
word, their efforts to achieve the desired boon fell still-
born.
On the other hand, the serious obstacles in the way ,of
an alteration stand out in bold relief, and gain an addi-
tional importance from the weakness of those arguments
which are resorted to in order to get rid of them.
Ad-
ditional risk would attend all descriptions of property in
the vicinity of the Docks, and therefore its owners would
be subjected to the additional burdens in increased rates
of insurance. By permitting the foreigner to consume
his own produce on board, without having recourse to the
home market for supply, you would injure, to a very
1 great extent, your own tradesmen. You will deteriorate
to a ruinous extent much house property ; and, in effect,
the community generally would be losers. 'Therefore, as

far as we in Liverpool are concerned, I may very aptly
remark, that this is not the cause of faction, or of party,
or of any individual, but the common interest of every
man.

Your correspondent is, I think, much mistaken if ha imagines that the change he advocates would have the effect of adding to the comfort of the sailor; for I hold
it to be utterly impossible for these men to be so well pro—
vided for on board their vessels as they are at present ott
shore : and as for the " hnrnip." whom 'he thinks the
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TAPSCOTT'S AMERICAN EMIGRATION OFFICE
ST. GEORGE'S-BUILDINGS, REGENT-ROAD.
t 7 , • The following
' --; FIRST-CLASS PACKETS
' - Will be despatched on their appointed days, as
!ON i . under :
• t..:... _ For NEW YORK.
lIVERPOOL, ELDRIDGE 2OOO tons.. 12th Feb.
DANÜBE, CHASE
NEW HAMPSHIRE, CHASE l5OO tons.. 13th Feb.
JOHN HANCOCK, BURGHS lBOO tons.. 21st Feb.
'ANNA TIFFI', Ross lBOO tons.. 25th Feb.
I. Z., MOSES 2OOO tons..
CENTURION, RICKERS 15041 tons..
J. Z., ZEREGA l5OO tons..
A. Z., CHANDLER
QUEEN OF THE WEST, HWELErr 2500 tons.. 6th March.
GARRICK, ELDRIDGE ..% 2000 tons.. 11th Mar.
,CONSTITUTION, BRIONrr 3OOO tons.. 6th April.

Po/'NEW. ORLEANS,
I. CROWELL. Riti.v .. 1000 tons.. 12th Feb.
CAUILLUS, evESTER 1500 tons.. 12th Feb.

For PHILADELPHIA.
'JOHN RAVENELL, WAM8U51E....... 1800 tons..l2th Feb.

For CHARLESTON.
SCOTIA, Afi slc ELLY 1500 ton

12th Feb,

The above Ships are of the largest class, commanded by men
of experience, who will take every precaution to promote the
health and comfort of the passengers during the voyage.
Surgeons can have free Cabin Passage by the above Ships.
Private Rooms for Families or persons who wish to be more
Select, berths, should be had, and deposits of each, to
Secure be remitted, which shall have due atten-
tion.

Persons proceeding to the interior of the United States can
know the actual outlay, and make the necessary arrangements
here, to be forwarded, on arrival, at New York, without one
day's delay, and thereby avoid the many annoyances emigrants
sre subject to on landing at New York.
Drafts and Exchange for any amount, atsight on New York,
Ipayable in any part of the United States, can at all times be
'furnished to those who prefer this safer mode of taking care of
their funds.
''or further particulars epply,_post-paid, to
W. TAPSCOTT and CO., Liverpool.
Agents for W. and J. T. Twescorr, New York.
" TAPSCOTT9S EMIGRANT'S GUIDE" can be had by
talittiag kour p t‘tutaps for the same.

REDUCTION IN THE RATES OF FREIGHT.
• PHILADELPHIA LINE OF PACKETS.
• MN i Sailing on the 12th of every Month.

TUSCARORA, E. TURLEY 1250 tons.. This Day.
WYOMING, J. W.. MIERCKEN 1100 tons.. 12th March.
SARANAK, T. Jumus lOOO tons..l2th April.
SUSQUEHANNA, T. DUNLEVY 6OO tons.. 12th May.

Goods by these Packets hitherto paying
355. will now be charged 30s. per toti.
30s. do. do. 25.5: „
255. do. do is. „
20s. do. t.. 15s. „
Other Goods accor ' to agreement.
Thesevessels are all of •e first class, built expressly for thiu
line, and combine eve quality to render them safe and expe-
ditious conveyance or goods, and they are furnished with
spacious and ele: teccommodationsfor passengers. The rate
of Passage in e Cabin is fixed at TWENTY POUNDS, pas-
sengers findi g their own wines and liquors. These Packets
will take advantage of the steam tow-boats on the Delaware.
To insure punctuality in sailing, no Goods can be received
after the 10th of each month.—For terms of freight or cabin
passsage apply to BROWN, SHIPLEY, and Co.
Freight by these vessels will be collected at the rate of four
dollarseiglity cents to the pound sterling.