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defended his argument upon the authority of St. James.]
Thhe hou. and learned gentleman, Mr. Roebuck, said
this manner of treating the subject was objectionable.
I have very little doubt that he felt it so, and for this
simple reason that because, notwithstanding ail his tact as
a debater, all his recklessuesa as a politician, all his volu-
bility as an orator, and all his acuteness as a lawyer, he
could not understand the argument. (Cheers.) The
same gentleman said, in another part of his speech—
" They had been told by many ardent persons that the reli-
gion of the Irish was a superstition and immoral, and parts of
their books had been brought forward to prove it ; and that to
endow this College was to endow a College to teach immo-
rality and superstition."

He offers no argument whatever against this. What he
adds is this :

" The insulted people of Ireland would recollect this ; and
we should find our danger came not so much from abroad as it
was at home."

(hear.) He threatens England, that the Roman Catho-
lics of Ireland would be insulted by saying that the class
books of Maynooth taught superstition and immorality,
but he does not attempt to deny the fact. (Hear.) He
could not deny the fact. If he knows anything of those
hooks he knows they teach both superstition and im-
morality. He leaves the charge unrefuted. (Hear, hear.)
[The reverend gentleman then proceeded to deny
emphatically the charge of insult to the Irish people.]
But (he proceeded) before I sit down I wish to make a
few observations upon the speech of a right honourable
member, a gentleman of whom I wish to speak with much
respect—concerning whom, personally, I have nothing to
observe that is not most cordially and sincerely respectful,
and concerning whom, politically, I scarcely know what
to say, because I do not know where to find him. (Hear.)
When this measure of endowing Maynooth was first sug-
gested as a Cabinet measure, this gentleman proclaimed
to the country that rather than go along with it he must
give up his seat in the Cabinet. (Hear, hear.) He re-
tired from that honourable position, and thus gave one
of the highest pledges that a man could give of his sin-
cerity. He retired avowing his conscientious objections
to this measure. (Hear.) On Friday night the second
reading of this bill was proposed, and early in the debate
the right hon. gentleman stood up. I protest when I came
to that part of the paper, and saw the name of the speaker,
I anticipated a clear, conclusive, and eloquent proof
of the strong grounds—the conscientious grounds—which
he had taken in leaving the ministry and for opposing this
measure. (Hear.) What, then, was my astonishment,
what was the marvel with which I found the right hon.
gentllernan declaring that although a majority of the peo-
ple of England and Scotland were plainly against it, and
although his own predilections had been against it, he
came to give to it " a cordial and anxious support !"
(Heir, and hisses.) Well, I then ancipated that some very
solid reasons would be assigned for the change. I did an-
ticipate that his acute and cultivated mind, stored as it is
with historical and theological knowledge, would have set
before the country some such reasons as having been suf-
ficient for him, would prove sufficient for the thousands and
tens of thousands of conscientious men like him. I trem-

bled lest I should become a convert before I had finished

his speech! But alas I found absolutely no reason as-
signed in my judgment with the trouble of printing it.
(cheers.) I will mention some of them. The first and
chiefest was the expectation that by this measure a better
description—a more learned description of priests would
be obtained from Maynooth. He says—

P Undoubtedly you would have more learned profes,ors, not
only in proportion as the salary is larger, but in proportion as
you c n induce those who occupy chairs to continue in them
long. This m asure would promote something like a learned
body within that College, and I cannot entertain a doubt that
in that respect it will exercise a softening and civilizing influ-
ence on the College, and in Ireland throughout its medium."
I am quite aware that this anticipation of an improved
class of priests is a prevailing one in many men's minds,
inducing them to give their consent to this measure. But
I am unable to see how the measure takes any security
that this consequence shall follow. It is proposed
that a large inci ease of money should be at the dis-
posal of the body corporate of the college : and the
bill announces the number of students upon whom
that increased money shall be bestowed, and the
proportion with which it shall be paid to them. There-
fore it may be argued with apparent conclusiveness, that
if the number be limited while the money is increased,
there will be a larger amount -to be expended upon the
education of each, so that instead of adding to the num-
ber of ill-educated men, you will add to the amount of
education upon a given number. But I turn to the bill
itself. [ The reverend gentleman here read clause
six in the bill, which specifies that 253 students are
to be educated.] You will notice that, according to
this bill, the money shall " be paid and payable to the
body politic or corporate," and the clause clearly specifies
the number of students for whom the money shall be
given. But the money is not to be given to the students.
—(hear)--" but to the body politic or corporate" for
the students; and what is to prevent them from receiving
one thousand students? There is no penalty in the act.
(Hear, hear.) We know by the Emancipation Act what
wards are good for without penalties. (Hear, hear )
There is no penalty, no protection in the act, against
the taking of one thousand students into Maynooth ;
and instead of expending the additional funds upon the
better education of a given number, expend them upon
giving some sort of education to an increased number.
(Hear, hear.)—We are obliged, from want of space,
to omit the replies made by the ltev. Chairman
to a number of other points advanced by Mr. Gladstone.
Having disposed ofthem,:he said the time was arrived when
it became their duty as British Christians to declare em-
phwically that in the use of their civil privileges as electors
they could not support any candidates for seats in
parliament who had proved themselves willing to endow
Roman Catholic doctrines, and who were not determined
to oppose such endowment. (Cheers.) He held in his
hand the following declaration, which would be proposed
to them as members of this assoeia'ion and as electors :
't We, the undersigned, electors of the borough of Liverpool,
honestly believing the Church of Rome to be. in doctrine, op-
posed to the d of God, and, in practice, subversive of civil
and religious liberty, consider all appropriations of public mo-
ney for its support grossly inconsistent in our professedly Pro-
testant rulers, and at variance with the duties they owe to their ,
subjects.

"For these reasons, we hereby declare that no member of
Parliament is entitled to the confidence of a Protestant consti-
tuency. who will not firmly oppose the contemplated endow-
ment of the Popish Coliege of Maynooth.
" April 14th. 1845."

He urged them to sign the declaration without delay
and to abide by it. He did not know what attempts
would be made to force a division upon the second reading
of the bill ; but Mr. Colquhoun would be justified in avail-
inc himself of all the forms of the house, io afford time for
the sense of the country to be manifested. Inasmuch, then,
as the matt,r thus stood in some uncertainty and they had
a great duty to fulfil upon this question, he would recoin-

mend that the meetimz, instead of being dissolved, should
be adj,iurned till that day week. The rev. gentleman
concludc.l amidst loud cheers

The Rev. Mr. CONNOR entered into scriptural and au-
thentic evidences proving that Romanism was an idola-
try accursed of God. The Bible showed that idolators
had ever been visited with His vengeance, and the history
of our own country, (as he adduced from the events of
many successi%e reigns,) also proved that whenever Po-
pery was sanctioned by the legislature, England was ex-
posed to misery and distress; which, on the contrary,
under Protestant rule, she had ever achieved glory
and happiness. The Romanists were idcl dors (la
the three separate grounds—first, that they gave that
homage to the wafer which was due only to God ; second,
that they paid homage to the dead, and especially to the
Virgin Mary, whom they considered their stay and the
only foundation of their hope; and, third, that they
bowed down to pieces of wood and stone, and to these
also addressed prayers. Idolatry was taught at May-
nooth, for Popery was there taught. He noticed in
detail the encouragement which Popery had received from
the government since 1792, and the rapid strides it had
consequently made. He concluded an animated address
by stating that he should oppose the parliamentary mea-
sure, because he conceived it to be against the Word of
God, against the liberties of the people, and against their
salvation, and moved that the declaration read by the
chairman should be adopted by the meeting, and signed
by the voters present. _

THOMAS FORSYTH, Esq. seconded the resolution, in a
very effective speech. When it was first proposed o in-
crease the grant to Maynooth, he was under the impres-
sion that there had been some agreement between the
parliament of England and that of Inland that it should
be maintained. His doubts had. however, been dissipated
by what h d been said by Sir R. Nei himself. That mi-
nister had stated that parliament were under no such con-
tract, and they might withdraw the whole grant at au,
time. it 'fore.

it was, then.. competent for that meeting
►o urge that the • grant should be no longer continued.
(Hear, hear.) If they failed with the Commons, they
had still the House of Lords to appeal to (cheers), and if

that too failed, they had yet their virtuous Queen, from
whom he hoped much, as the blood of George the Third
flowed in her veins-,a monarch who had declared that he

could lay his head on the block, but never could submit
to break his coronation oath. (Cheers.)
The mrli,,n wrs put, and carried unanimously.
The CHAIRMAN that under ordinary circumstan-

April 15, 180,1

...., .................—_
varOU'
TO MR. JOHN SMITH, OF THE LIST,'
flit Mt
MERCURY.
SIR,—You have, in the Mercury of the d ith,
brought forward my name so prominently, an lownst:i
little necessity, that I require from you some egPtice
Your gratuitous services to puff me into I.l°,,ists/
never expected by me, nor called for by the Preeif 114
sion. If you mean what you say— That IL...artliet"?
not to have anything to do with parish affairs I 0/800,
have given me some credit, by allowing thathvthat IS
been influenced in the exercise of my duties ",,, „der, a
party spirit which warps the judgment and V",,gs°',l
heart callous to those friendly and social fee`loool''
ought to unite man to man. This does litit'nage dl
appear to have been your object, if I uPIY 2„-jiyie,
your statement—" one in the middle, as we r'iace II
happen to know where else we can so suitably I? road
From this, with the tendency of your editoriat 901,1
would draw the conclusion that comm
what you aimed at. I have been
and your address to the rate-payers of Liyeree., s,',l
enda,,ing F./
iotfis that you really do happen to know 819°e" BEI Orli
the Vestry excepting me. My political ere,' iti„,
well known ; I have taken no steps to coaceforro
you acknowledge that the Vestry is not the Pltteitosslo
mulgating political doctrines. I do not intee4 051
you what I am, more than that I have alwarAists
the one side, and in an open manner, The P bej
pozZied thtl tlll
sincerelyestTs pititybectahleisemlanhawvheo
was neverioccupied by ale in going round frorpo'o
booth to ascertain which was most likely ted, siPoi
then stand hesitating until the poll was Isebiglt'l
voting at all. I have never been a political is 0
reasonr for holding up my name in distinction l'ortl7l,
gone to the d' i
office with partial statements of what hasp,., dish'
because I have not been so fortunate as t"„ pertol
mare's nest just before Easter ? Or have YT'inclifl*,
yourself to be misled by some hollow-hear Oro
who, to indulge a vindictive disposition, does see
how it is gratified, so long as it can be o°"s lacy
nevertihsa. t
will conclude by assuring you
.You will probably spurn such insinuations 5,, fair
tilde with the spirit of a journal boasting 0',,. la
the are, however, the best which occur to e; ti
have now an opportunity of stating your roe whe??
a man's name held up to public view in,t.iihda_Ail
either for praise or censure, I shall susoen" —ectlo'
until other circumstances satisfy me of its Orr
_tt
V
sir, yours
am,
THOMAS 1
14th April, 1845 il 4rnh af
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LIVERPOOL PHILHARMONIC S
UNDRESS CONCERT

die Col„
This concert took place last evening, at "1 106
Institution, and was numerously and fashions b rig .
The orchestr i was led by Mr. H. F. Aldridge, ona e 0
by Mr. J. Z. Herrmann, and was verY 11,.8-1)1 Ai'
Part I. opened with a Symphony in C Dilln°' aft
yen,_ which was played with great correctness; ~ ,
Miss Leach sung, very chastely, a canzonetithe Oro/
tion," by Haydn. The concluding Piecewas Ile 113.
of Jubel, by C. M. Von Weber, which was '"el ~, ,
with great precision, and much applauded., oroP;i4;
galP,,artby2nßdaiotpheonieddy
;waitfltletrhwe
which Mr.
A"rPrziet_riio:l.,v_neLfr,
song from Pascal Bruno, by Hatton, yen' " t PlajeF'
encored. A. quintetto, " Reicha " was ne;%,.+ sij itti
''un , Bniin'orgel,:tf
Messrs. Cunliffe. Sorge, Sur e
wards, in which the clarionet gpla, playing of Mr' soSolltelitS
was greatly applauded. Mr. RyallsY Sung a C-A Sr
lose' ed.
Clifton, very beautifully ; and the concert c,,visf
overture of La Gazza Ladra, which was fine"

—..,,,,,55t jog Prt"
Sir Howard Douglas had the honour of ibuerclaf'dol
at the premier's parliamentary dinner on Sa'' sir
oPoil
The Renfrewshire Advertiser states tbatofore 4
Pottinger is a candidate for the representation 0(cOr
A vacancy has occurred in the collectorship
at Newcastle by the death of Mr. Edgcolne• 1,19'd
Mr. Dickinson brought up the report o°,rtbhaers°,
Docks Bill if) the House of Commons on "" wtrii
it was ordered to lie on the table. :A defel',
THE SALFORD CHARTER.—By a
sturn,Sory
charter, the Mayor and chief magistrate or '— j
either hear or issue warrants or summonse.,..s. ~, Ofer
The trial of Connor for the murder of ivia.; 01°'
in a brothel, has been postponed until the 116- 0,0;
the Central Criminal Court. t 011 d
The report on the Wallasey ImproverneT"OsY'" dri
sented to the House of Commons on Wed ~, j
dered to lie on the table. „de,
The Marchioness of Downshire, Lord :'l,e- °1!
the Earl of Fortescue have been among ''''t-fie"?l.;
arrivals at the Adeiphi Hotel during the Pas on lefj
Mr. Roebuck, in the House of Cornmor4id,le,llo
alluded to the speech of the Rev. Hugh. oat: I
the meeting on Monday, but of course he
cinjtlsaiso:ltear
to answer the arguments of the reverendse- 3 v-j
His Royal Highness the Hereditary GrallgnesejlOr
Mecklenburgh Strelitz, attended by Baron aat
honoured the Earl of Sefton with his conlo.4re. Ali,
on Saturday, at his residence in Beigrave-sq:iisli frll ;
COMFORT FOR THE PREMIER.—The Bni'' bee Petit
of the Roman Catholic Church, to the uric—, ft. ' P"
11, at present in London, forwarded to '-"1. tlie
nForoidtahygtrhaenitr._unmiteodnitihnagnkcshfroorniheiise.candocnt '9°0,614
ANOTHER MURDER BY POlSONToricrorttriecrOtattlj
last, a female named Jane Bell was c
Lacehy, near Grims.by, Lincolnshire, charts. ntlivi
murder of her husband,' a respectable Ina'— A
administering to him a quantity of arsenio,r•he 007 of
REPRESENTATION OF WEST KENT.-- Ce Or(
ele'ection will be contested, in consecinentole,
Holmesdale having expressed himself fasr°u,%othe:oo
endowment of Maynooth. A requisition to si'e difiletti
date is in course of signature in all parts of t'' gen
.4,
We were credibly informed vesterdaY bnistitiire,:osl
from Jr land, that the M:a. k:iis of Dew" on or
hsuddenlyiie lordshipwhilst i
s sraiicdl i it)
og overhave Irishhdigsied
o; estates' a tleltioa d 1
'boat,
heart.
the .- 09
SUPPOSED MURDER.—On WedileSdeY, bil j 0 00
female was discovered in a water course, at soeffel)
near Salisbury, with several marks Of conside,r 5 trtiii,
on her person. A man named Woolforthedll'
showman, with whom the deceased cohabit 015 Ai
athrraetsttieed, murderedand t h e rtehaepupnefaorr
tstrongunate gwroo radris. fort
tom,
„07
to,
NEW MAGISTRATES.—On WednesdaY,, at , ' ;frill
Sessions, in Bolton, J.)mes Hardcastle j'vcs'o..)rt le,
Bolton, and John Hargreaves, Esq•f'Plen-Lititf'oall,
Bolton, qualified as magistrates of the es' 011ie% hod
Thursday. Peter Rothwell, Esq , Sourringfilw'se
qualified as a magistrate. Peter Esq., )
Hall, Bolton, William Bolling, Esq., ' Of1►
Bolton, qualified on Friday as magistrates. 00 g,1!,0
MESMERISM FOR THE MILLION•---.BeffeCtitlijOr6?
Couchman, styled the Sussex Prophet. ,s poi. to /
said, wonderful cures among the people n"floe?' ot,
1 C is asserted that as many as fifty persons d, or oe 1
a day, and that he sends them all away' eurevoll°o ii
believing themselves to be so. The 10),,'eatarltelfai
hear, and the dumb speak ; surely Mr. ,T-h•rle C
i
the earth again ! The Mesmerists slon:thir.
minished heads, or make common cause
man, who bids fair to outdo them all.

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