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id pf three weeks since the noble lord
He (Sir R. Peel) begged to say that
L to cause unnecessary delay in the'
1 be wished for was, that time shc
whose interests were concerned, an'
was, that the house should be call
T days only to decide upon a bill
inges. He considered that either
too early a notice for members to V
uss the principle of this bill. He
r reasonable time were allowed, the
ild find no disposition evinced by thof
.el) acted, to delay this bill as th'
by the gentlemen connected with
id not mean to blame for pursuin(
it he thought of the noble lord to
ill as if they had a desire to delay it
te noble lord's sense of justice to say
ask him to delay the second readini
R.Peel) begged to say for one, that
iy unnecessary delay. in the passi
Lt think it would be fair dealing. the
e acted, should suffer for their fc
icription, the object of which was the
KI Church, and the appropriation of
ocular purposes, ought to be calmly
nd lie did not think that the dela;
ime limited by the noble lord was
.meat wished to conciliate the chuff
iterest in its concerns, they could
tter than by allowing a fair and n
aration of this bill.
one said that the delay in bringin,
ioned by the time which was necessl
its details, and the bill would be'
rich the plan laid down by him wi
aeasure to the notice of the house.
nice between Thursday and Month
se, if hon. gentlemen could not •
days they could not hope to be
iven days. With regard to the
that he never recollected a simila,
nights taking place on the first re:.
RCIVAL could not see on what "route
could persist in refusing further
:nportant bill.
)N considered that his Majesty's
reasonable request, because it had
lar quarter of the house. From w
the opposition to the other bill pi
more pure and disinterested in its
the party who conscientiously oppe
'd? (Hear, hear.) Surely the -dell
stent with common sense and come(
NG said that he first entered that he
'hen the noble lord opposite (Lord
r of it, and he appealed to that noble
)er who had the same experience, to s'
llected any measure of so much •
to be discussed on two days' notice
advantage of seeing the hill in la,
s the table, said that the printed b:
lw.) If ever there was a bill requiril
ion than another, it was this very b
about to hurry forward with such br(
Len that not even sufficient time shol
Light wish to consult persons in helm
post ? This method of yielding to th,
was opposed was a dangerous precede
:h the customary courtesies and estel
might be consistent with a reforme,
t, in his opinion, "it was more hone
e observance." The noble lord
paper respecting tithes in Englan
be founded on that motion to be
ar to this? (Hear, hear.) The
ded by observing, that, if he str
R house on this question.
SELL said, that, after the explanati(
(Lord Althorp) with regard to this
hat honourable members would come
hursday perfectly prepared to vote
reover, would not be called upon to
ill on the second reading, as those
ration of the committee. He did
iaterial connection between this and
ijesty's ministers might, if they thougi
conciliation without one of coercion
were rievances to be redressed, it
I be redressed; and, on the other ht
:es to be put down, it was right that
When grievances existed, such as I
:t of this bill to relieve, it was most
uld take the earliest opportunity
it removal.
s said, he had stated to the noble loi
his determination to oppose this bi
Tressed the same determination to
tieman the Secretary for Ireland.
oue single bishop only, instead of tent
rst consideration.
N said, that although he was in
bill, he was of opinion that the
o have-sufficient time for the consie
ouch importance. He was of opilt)
•,0 a full and calm discussion.
ZNT hoped his Majesty's ministers
?medial measures with as much celer%
)f an opposite character. He wisheeL,
me would be given to discuss the detAl
oped that the noble lord would not gji
Id bring on the second reading on the
use then divided.
✓ the motion. lB7
ainst it.

Majority for Ministers.
.dmission to the gallery we found Mr•ol
wing a further adjournment of the e3e,l
t of the Liverpool Election Comullt!eci
buses of the elective franchise in that
er some discussion, was agreed to.

MALLOW ELECTION. 41
I of Mr. O'Connell the order of the dal
ment of the period to allow the recor
to, was discharged.

•
BPeeches of the two gallant colonels from the north
au evidence of the calmness and prudence of the
of Ireland, and a strong proof of the satisfaction
Would give to that faction. (Hear.) The right
4an, the Secretary of State for Ireland, ought to be
the language he used. He thought the right hon.
unsafe ad exhibited such a total want ot discretion that it
'0 Place such extraordinary powers in his, hands.
measure was only calculated to give the Conserva-
-1
esaies of the government, an opportunity to make
on the government of the country, and to enable
Pare place and power. (Cheers.) The support the
01.011rAt derived from the right hon. baronet, the member
to ":41, and his Conservative colleagues, was not cal-
, 2ve weight to the measure, when the public would
'ie influence that was thrown into the scale to
was directed that evening against reform in
• He did not consider that the state of
a for such unheard of powers, that would subvert
,-ople of British law and justice. The disturbances
Tatty during the discussion opon the Reform Bill were
,glitrageous as the agitation of the repeal question in
Lie was free to admit that there existed great dis-
4ZMid of the uecessity of putting them down, and pro-
, and property ; but he differed with his Majesty's
desirable the tueaus.that ought to be adopted to accom-
, an object. He thought remedial measures,
coercive means, would be more efficacious. Those
3e that they could keep up- the present church
ie ny• in Ireland when the Catholic disabilities were
rete shallow politicians indeed. (Hear.) These
of tie outworks of the bastion, and so long as one re •
1 adious estatilishment (hear, hear, and a laugh) re-
°l2,R would the people of Ireland be opposed to it.
The hon. gentleman concluded by moving an
'4'ethe effect, that the house was not satisfied that
vv., Lor passing this bill existed at the present period.
'I(LiNB seconded the amendment. He opposed this
saw that it went farther than merely protecting
"of that unfortunate country from the midnight
sustaining the law. He feared that the bill was
tt it could be brought to bear in any way, or under
not colnees, grasping within its iron hand matters which
of tli.-Liltemplatcl it should lay hold of. Why was the
40n. and learned member for Dublin so mixed up
ire, the ostensible object of which was to repress
outrage ? How many of the people of England
,felt that this was a bill to put down Mr. O'Connell ?
it Were to put down predial agitation, he should
ected to this bill. If ever there was a case wherein
legislate bit by bit, it was in this very case; they
rare that, in forging the chain, they should not
unless the proceeding one was weak and inefficient.
.)
orrszu felt great regret to be obliged to vote in
18 hill, from the kind way in which he had been
reload by those very individuals against whom this
111,tnne degree operate. (Hear.) He agreed that this
toe appellations bestowed upon it, namely, that it
and unconstitutional, but it had two attributes
tt, namely, stern necessity and sovereign mercy.
trso Saw the necessity of the measure in the fact of
(„0_ ,11 or property being safe in Ireland. Every per-
,4old, left that country. (Cries of No, no).
I}.(,?"E'r stated the grounds of the objection which he
With respect to the county of Carlow, if the
re had done their duty, the few outrages that
, that part of the country would have been quickly
Ulear tu
NcA,NwoN supported the bill, and bore testimony to
slay exertions of Dr. Doyle to preserve the peace

'4'; Said that this was a measure quite uncalled for.
tted by the government that only a few of the coun-
: a disturbed state, and whv, therefore, should it be
10, Place the whole of Ireliind under such coercive
bill was intended to establish. The hon. and
Iliber described the tithe system as the essential
disturbances which had arisen in Ireland, and con-
; that system (and he would beg to remark he was
;11 this assertion by the evidence given by Sir H.
Other gentlemen of known intelligence) had been
, =of the crimes which were committed in that un-
-Nlitry, This was a legsilation not for the people,
'a; it was not a legislation for the people of Ire-
the purposes of a faction. (Hear.) He would,
Call upon the house to remember that the revolu-
he had alluded had been caused by the acts of
• governments, and not by any act of the people.

ke„4iT said, in the consideration of that bill they ought
u every tittle of evidence and argument which was
' they came to a conclusion. He had done so,
- to say that, looking at all the evidence, and at
lasts which had been produced, he felt himself
its his sorrow must be and was at the fact, to ac-
It ministers had made out their case, (hear, hear,)
Measure, severe and violent as it was, was neces-
had no hesitation in giving his support to the bill,
put down political agitation. (Hear, hear.)
4bir, after some preliminary remarks, said that the
for Newport seemed to imagine that, by this bill,
, were proclaimed, martial law would at the same mo-
rte., d. Now that was not the case; for if the pro-
ell' of itself the effect of quelling the disturbance,
Lue no necessity for proceeding to the other extre-
'' end sought to be attained would have been arrived
law, not being required, would not therefore be
_or erected. If circumstances arose to render it re-
-47'6 an inroad in the constitution, it was necessary
(1:' what effect would be mduced, were the steps ta-
latir "'eat of the measure arising therefrombeing held
!11, 14a,s precedent. The hon. and learned member for
hgot k himseat' said that the members of the Irish bench
litio4. and proper persons to act as judges in cases of this
for is Ile for one agreed with the hon. and learned gen-
hkilder", did not consider it right for a judge of the land
4, the provisions of this measure. He should not
tae judge act upon his own opinion, without that of a
1 e 8 similar to those which, under this bill, he would
t° be ''
' in.
,Iltsila called upon to adjudicate The learned
r4P4tat7o necessarily return to his own court with a degree
sild (Ilt ,unjustly attached to his character, for having
rifth? niFoself) an individual or individuals. The pro-
hil),, ;s bill, taerefore, avoided this unpleasant alterna-
Ottfitnonourable and learned member for Dublin had
il,ltedlinsed of the magistracy in the same way ; that was,
.. to,ry re that body sitting in judgment. Now, it was for
1 istrason, and to rescue the people from the power of
littil4eY and from the Orange magistracy, as the hon.
si, gentlean had denominated a ortion of them
.pe relative e to the courts ialp had been intro-
,
thear, hear.) He could not but observe that already
is,„sn of riotous conduct in Ireland had taken place. It
14,72 therefore, that the measure—that the proceedings
tyLnt—had thus early done good. (Hear, hear.)—
i,Pe t,7 determination of Parliamentto adopt a measure to
Clor4elat of crime in Ireland had, he was rejoiced to say,
Oee)4.B°lleed in souse parts of that distracted country bene-
q.,lity ; it had struck terror and alarm into the hearts of
i,' 4 „Wear, hear.) The severity of this measure would
'itvne discretion of the Lord .Lieutenant of Ireland,
, 01,7 e enactments would not be brought into action un-
eic an absolute necessity for their application.—
: itte declared that his Majesty's ministers had brought
~bt e,forward because they considered it to be matter of
' L'i; f' he y thought that the state and condition of Ire-
;Nraught with danger. They imagined and believed
'4 ki),Peace of that country was all but, if not quite de-
"liZtherefore that a measure similar to that then be-
se, was the only one by which tranquillity could be
t,, Preserved. (Loud cheers.) His Majesty's minis-
, lqi introduced this measure to arrest a den-
)Wa.,,n,s crowding over Ireland and her people. (Loud
qrs Were it with approbation or censure, his Majesty's
theere determined to bear all the responsibility. They
rt vy.were responsible for it, and they should therefore
tt,geir course. (Applause.) They felt that the empire
‘$ trt to them compact, and as compact were they de-
la). Y would deliver it op. (Continued cheers.)
Irk, hoped to convince .the house that this measure
js,"ght with every evil to Ireland, far outweighing any
Is Zed advantages. He complained of the exagge-
It tv7rits which had been made, and of the defective va-
,tal. ulence by which the necessity of the measure was
;Ike h Ile right honoura
fr ble Secret
erary for lreland had
)141 4 41n9e extracts om private letts but had brought
.14 to unseats iu support of his ease, the former alone he
'pre?), on. This said little for the
provided of the go-
. !..ne house, however, ought to be with the
4av the case admits of, one way or another. They
el),! had a complete list of every crime, of every in-
let), 'Red with it. Nothing of the kind bad been offered.
Is:lent either wished to impose upon the house, or
kw re strangely imposed themselves. The honourable
tl:Peech was continued amid considerable interrup-
,llsif repeated calls of " Question," " Question," and be
,'Pkie.ll. IY sat down.
met i;Lit then read the amertdment.
AxiEs asked, if the house would permit itself to be

in the
speeches o
e lord intttmgetue:4evideno
iy that ben weii4ora of Irelan
the passiotti. gemie would g
ihould be (titious ofthan? the at
I and all ttlera„ h litugua
called unsafe ,a' lace
illlove/110e whole 6° Place s
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to PreParerapt mies of
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n;',1,1 the goi
the 0° 71rilaInniweoriltr:tfeerPivleadcei
elfrici,l'iated to 9', and hx
tYttehlisetr'lau ,° that re weighi
at
0%014 d e same -
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to treat
cella urcli of Irtuf Was
it upothert„M called foe and'
say wh„eti4 Principle rf sue]
4aii eQuiatr dui Brit
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Issing of sitba°4. H. geous
that hroa attldWaes fre•
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is the r'arilghrhrneat Prop
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tot Oh of 'table a
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church at..e oft Trel-
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l reason' tairks this odire
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einbgced.wdesi nstinbfa:ot
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vhpsosocea
suacatelchffl:dsollatici(
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filar p e )allees, gra
the 4temPate
readiugty
'rounds efie measure h4h- and 1
Ler dela, r atid , the o:
telam outrage ?
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happeu,./they ,Ire obi 't were t,
what 937,4484Ntlfrelete,d to th
procee legislate 1
a its 00° • Leik rare that
al. tat 441 es
oppose s the
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ommooi - of this fell
at house ttit44- in I r hill, fr
,ord hite.aud by t
noble I' —crited '44le de
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tte, to se/• ttra„ aPpell
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notice 0, • ') nun(
in print' 'wt; ners,:,,,saw the
ted bill, , could, or prop
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ery „,this bitrEv state
breatP,,,, tirktes they With
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to those, buN'''ear.)
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establi'll lcitthti`"Y exerts
'formed ',l" 4N,, .
honour, tileaclfoft'ti said that
d (Alth° • re is
ed by the
•gland. toa disturbed
be disP"l this Place the
The bo was
stood the deser
deser
th,tt tit!turhanc4
anatiotq dj4 at systei
,o this by 41,4 this asset
° e‘f cao's)ther gent
`vote oil to co Of the ci
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lose w•o° ,but(0,.1,44; it wa
did not :•148iot,' "lei.PUrpo
s and the,: k‘o whr, upot
thought he had
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ssed, it r'ir )
hand's 46 kei?T said, in
t that the' befia... every tilt
h as thrroi/1 ••e l'egtre they ca
most p etted to say
pity of clef44°4ls whi
scißet as his sore
ble lord °t it this rainiste
this h 3 measure
ion to 4,Viewe, had no he
land. Pi (-,;,„`° Put dowi
dof tell, , Cinb:447', after
ttict-r for Newp
in favouti eet were procla
at the Its Zeted• Nol%
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if "
opinio the " neee
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h celeritt Lti, 1,23,r erected.