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amendment; and yet be fancied himself to be quite as true a
friend to the
.people of England as the hon. member himself.
It was not by vague declamations that the sufferings of the
people of England were to be relieved,—it was not by the
desultory efforts of individuals that their distresses were to be
alleviated, but it was by combining the efforts of individuals,
and by intrusting the direction of them all to an administra-
tion entitled to confidence, that any beneficial result was to be
attained. (Cheers.) Ile was not acquainted with any mem-
ber of the administration ; but if he were asked why he thong's&
the administration entitled to confidence, he would reply, *. Le-
cause they have accomplished for us the work of reform."
(Cheers.)
Mr. T. ATTWOOD said that, though he did not approve of the address
proposed by the hon. member for Oldham, he could not look on the
original address without vague apprehension and alarm. _Gentlemen
were now assembled for the first time in a reformed parliament. Why
had parliament been reformed 1 For two reasons—of which the tirat
was, to relieve from insupportable distress the people of England; and
the second, to restore to them the full possession of their liberties.
What, then, was his surprise, in listening to the speech addressed to
them from the throne, td hear that the first measures proposed by
ministers to this reformed parliament was a measure to restrict the
liberties of the people, and to establish arbitrary power in Ireland.
(Cheers from the repealers.) He did not know what the words used iu
the King's speech meant, if they did not mean the suspension of the
constitution. (Cheers from the same quarter.) It was stated that the
mischief there was agitation. Now, in his opinion, agitation had no-
thing to do with the niisellief there. The mischief arose from poverty.
Poverty had made agitation, but agitation had not made the misery of
Ireland. (Cheers.) Force was not the proper remedy to apply-to mi-
sery. (Hear, hear.) It was poverty,—extreme, grinaing, undeniable
poverty,—that created the discontent of Ireland; and it became tl,e
government to beware, lekt, as their predecessors had made the Irhb
madmen by ill-usage, thershould make them devils by further coer-
cion. (Hear, hear.) Ile therefore deprecated the employment of
force as a means of alleviating the sufferings of Ireland. One word
more. The hon. member for Leeds, and the hon. member for the
versity of Dublin, in the speeches which they had delivered on a for-
mer evening, had led the house completely astray by their sophistry
and eloquence, for they had both asserted that the question now
in discussion was the question of the repeal of the union. (Hear.)
He (Mr. Attwood) did not understand that to he the question. The
question, as he understood it, was whether the House of Commons
would entrust tyrannic power into the hands of ministers. He wan
himself no friend to the repeal of the union ; he thought that the,
Irish members should wait and see what a' reformed House of Com-
mons would do for them and for their country, before they mooted--
further the question of repeal, (Hear, hear.) They should try a
reformed Parliament. If that Parliament did its duty to the people:
of Ireland, he should never lie a friend to repeal, but if it failed in its
duty. then he too would be friendly to repealing the union. (Cheers.)
The honorable member, after perusing his observations to a great
length, said that he had an amendment to propose—(hear, hear, and
expressions of astonishment)—which he trusted the noble lord would
allow to be adopted ; it contained the reenter in anode and a little of
the fortiter in re; it would sooth and hold out the light of hope to the
people of England and Ireland. The honorable member then read
the amendment, expressive of the sense of the house as to the exist-
ence of distress in the country, and pledging the house to inquire into
the causes.

Mr. Hustz rose amid cries of " Question" and " adjourn." which
prevented him from being heard. lie was understood to state, that NS
he considered this proposition the same as that made by Mr. Tenny-
son, he did not feel himself called upon to support the amendment.
Lord ORM ELIE. hoped that the debate had proved to the satisfaction
of the hon. and learned member for Dublin, that he (Mr. O'Connell)
was wrong, and the repeal of the union was impracticable. His speech
upon moving the address was styled unmannerly by an hon.. gentle-
man—was that hon. gentleman a master. of manners. He ought to
have avoided falling into the same error he attributed to him. (Ques-
tion, question.) He felt if his duty to characterize agitation with re-
gard to Ireland, accordingly to his conviction honourably and fear-
lessly. (Question, question.)
The gallery was then cleared for a division—
For the amendment..
Against it.

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On the re-opening of the gallery, Mr. Arrwoon was proposing at;
amendment to the effect that the state of the labouring classes tk-
served to be examined into.
Lord Avrttoar remarked, that the adoption of such an amendment
might cause such an excitement as would lead to serious disturbances.
He thought it had been better had it not been proposed.
This amendment was negatived without a division. ~
Mr. ATTWOOD then brought forward another motion to this purpose,
—That, after remedies for the redress of the grievances and wrongs of
the Irish people had been tried and found ineffectual, the house would
be ready to adopt measures of salutary caution.
This amendment was negatived, and the address then voted without
a division. _ _ _

On the motion of the LORD ADVOCATE, the house adjourned at a
quarter before one o'cleek.

TUESDAY.

At a quarter before two o'clock, the SPEAKER took his seat,
and, after the usual forms had gone through, proceeded, attend-
ed by Lord ORMELIE and Mr. MARSHALL, the mover and se-
conder of the Address, to present it to his Majesty.
At four o'clock, the SPEAKER again took his seat.
PETITIONS were presented, from certain soapbuilers at Salt-
ash, for a repeal of the tax upon soap, by Mr. GILLoN.—From
certain inhabitants of Staffordshire, in support of the London
and Birmingham railwav;by Sir G. SK IP WIT H.—From various
tradesmen residing in gewgate-street, against Sunday trading,
by Mr. Alderman Wool); on the same subject from Port
Glasgow, by Mr. DUNLOP; and from Farnham, by Mr.
BRISCOE.—For an amendment of the laws relating to Church
patronage, from the parish of Dunlop, in Scotland, by Mr.
OswAr.o, and another from the same place, by the same hon.
member, on the subject of the late sittings of the house, in the
prayer of which Mr. CORBETT and Mr. O'Cor%NELL expressed
their concurreuce.—From the parish of St. Leonard's, Short-
ditch, for the repeal of the house and window taxes, by Mr.
CLAY, the prayer of which was supported by Mr. COUBETT
and Dr. LUSH INGTON.
Election Petitions, from the town of Newry, the city of Cork,
and the town of Galway, transmitted from time lianaper-Office
in Ireland, complaining of undue returns, were ordered to be
taken into consideration on the 7th of March.