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ceived ourselves justified in taking &separate and distinct liar
from the other parties to the treaty of Vienna with regard to the
Belgian question, and as to the encouragement given to the
Emperor's rebellious subjects of Poland." (Loud cries or
" Hear."): He believed that noble person to be the first indi-
vidual who had ever in any place in this country ventured to
call the: Poles, who had been crushed by force, rebels. (Hear,
hear.) . The hon. gentleman argued at some length that on
these grounds the nobleman who was the subject olthe.niotion
was an unfit person to fill the situatiou to which it was saidlie
had heen appointed.
Lord MA eo:4 expected to have heard some good and valid
grounds raised against the appointment, but all that he hail
heard was What he must call a stale anecdote, which had been,
preVitiiiidy told in the Houie of Lords. Whatever might be the
individual opinion of that noble person with regard to the Poles
his dilly as an arobassadOr was to execute the orders of the go-
siernment at home. It had, indeed, been constantly contended,
that if an individual had talents kir the diplomatic service, his.
potttteal opinioosonght to be no bar to his receiving an. appoint-
!Rent. He felt convinced that if the conduct of Lord London-
derry were investigated, no valid charge would be established
egaiust his character. [We believe we have given the sob-
stance of the sliohle lord's speech ; but it is right to, state that
his concluding observations were scarcely audible in the gallery.]
Mr. litos: begged to ask the noble lord (Mahon) wkther
the noble marquis was really appointed anibasiadUr in the ciiurt
of St. Petersburgh ? (Great cheering from the oppositiiin.)
Lord MituoN replied, that formally speekitor, the appoitlf-
ment had not:taken place (hear, hear); but he believed that it
-had been determined upon. (Hear, hear.)
. Mr. HOME thought the appointment objectionable on the
ground of expense,.and believed that it was madefor the pur
pose of 'giving the noble 'marquis a larger salary as a tetneet
ambassador.
Lord STANLEY:regretted that the appointment had been tried
by so poor a test as pecuniary expense, but hoped that in defer-
ence to the feelings of the people of England it would be re-
voked. •
Mr. OTWAY CAVE objected to the appointment.
Mr. C. PEtttssi was sorry to find personal remarks directed
against the noble marquis, who for forty years had been exert-
ing himself in the service of his country. There was a time
when iee heard of only one despot, Buonaparto ; he.(Mr. Pel-
ham) wished to know whether the marquis was an eider of
despots, at that time?

Sfter Mr.. Baunerman and Mr. Gisborne had spoken is con-
demnation of the appointment, •
Sir ROBERT PEEL would never shrink from the responsibility
which this or any act of the government might throw upon him.
He was not surprised at the dissatisfaction expressed at this ap-
pointment by the opposition, since no one appointment of the
government had given them the slightest satisfaction. The
of Lord Londonderry's employment was not the only . one to
which objections had been raised. They took the Attoreey-
General for Ireland of the late government, but even -that was
objected to. (Hear, hear.) They objected to the appointment
of his right hon.. friend the' Paymaster of the Forces, ("heat"
from the opposition,) and the noble lord opposite, forgetting the
natural amenity of -his disposition, had revived the large-age
Which he (Sir R. Peel) had entirety forgotten; and which bad
entirely been obliterated from the recollection of his right bon.
friend. But was this the fact, that his right hon. friend, who
formed part of the present
.government, which --government's-
appointment was considered indicative of such an illiberal dis-
position,—an appointment considered sufficient to condemn, in
the eyes of the•publie, the whole future policy of the govern-
inent,—was the repOrt which he had confid-ently heard true, that
his right hon. friend had been offeredo still higher situation by
the government of Earl Grey, (hear, bear,)—he meant the oface
of Secretary at War? The right hon. baronet had heard it,
not from his right hon. friend, but in public, and which had
not been contradicted. if that report—of hich he had no
knowledge as to whether it was true or not,—he had only re-
•ceiVed it through those channels of communication which the
public had means of access to,—if it was true that offer had
been made to his right lion. friend, it was not fair in those who
had that offer to 'make now to come forward and blame the-
government for this appointment, as an appointment indicative
of an unjust, au unpopular, and improper future policy. He
would now come to the paticular appointment. • (Much cheer-
ing.) He (Sir R. Peel) had-no doubt the appointment of Lor'd
Lo'ndonderry was unsatisfactory to those-whose policy he opposed
—but what substantive allogatum had -been brought against him
except the expression that "the Poles were rebellious subjects? "
It was but a few nights ago that he heard an hon. gentleman
sitting on.the opposite benehes declare with feelings of triumph,
that unless every thing the Canadians asked for 'was granted
they would become" rebellious subjects. Whether the particular
expression attributed to the noble marquis had been used by
him or not he (Sir Robert) knew not; but at any rate-he could
not find it 'either iii the Standard or the Mirror of Parliament-
_W as it fair to attack's public Man on occount of something that
he is supposed to have said at some time or other? And were
•they not freqtently, in the course of the warmth of debate, in
the habit of using expressions which in calmer moments`thev
.were not prepared to support? The hon. member (Mime) 'boa
attacked the appeintinent on the groundof expense, but that
was altOgetlier unconnected 'with the argument If the indivi-
dual ap-pointnlent was improper, let it be attacked on that
ground. .The right hon. baronet thought it was now time-he
`should notice the different animadverSiani of hon. members,
and lie thought-that whoever had listened to the details of those
animadversieris must- feel that it was a very painful one, made
with'it'viewto create a:prejudice against a public mon, although
disprorettliv the very perions who had-mule the attack. Lard
Londonderiy bad long served the public in public capacities.
The right hon. baronet believed that no one could call in ques-
tion the military pretensions of Lord Londonderry. (Hear.
hear.) He presumed that-no one coulddeny that no officer, ex-
cept the gallant general under whom he had served, had ever
shown greater devotedness to the public service, or exposed
himself in the course of that service to greater personal danger.
(Cheers, and cries of "Oh !'!) " Oh" exclaimed the hon•
member for Marylebone. (Great cheering, laughter, and cries
of "hear, hear.") The right hon. baronet had no doubt that
the hon, member for Marylebonehaving listened to and cheered
the attack which had been made, was very willing to interrupt
him in his attempt to do justice to an absent individual, Who
;had served his country with-the higtiest distinction.
84-8. Wrini.t.S.V ruse amidst cries Order, 'orderr and
confusion.

Sir R. PEEL—Was the hon. member not one who called out
" oh?"
Sir S. WHALLEY.—I merely mean to say that I was not the
only one.
Sir R. PEEL said that. the hon. member would restrain bins
, from noticing his interruption, or put him- to the alternative of
..uOticing every individual. who, did interrupt ? After giving a
brief sketch of the -public services of Lord Londonderry, Sir
Robert said reference had been made, and here again the right
:hon., baronet thought most unfairly, to an application made ,bsr
Lord Londonderry for a pension, to which he thought himself
entitled. He did-"not receive it. Lord Londonderry appeared_
to have put an erroneous roust ruction on his claim. But with
respect to this fact, supposing his lordship did put an erroneous
construction on his claim, he Would ask any man on the other
side of the house, referring it to them as private individuali, if
that could lte fairly brought"forward in condemnation of his
general character; and proof of his inefficiency to serve as am-
bassador at St. Petersbargh. (Hear.) The question was
not how he had conducted himself as a soldier but as an
ambassador. In this capacity ho had served during a very
critical tune; for a period of ten years at Vienna. He would
not refer to the opinion of the Duke of Wellington or Lord
Aberdeen, but if he referred to the opinion of Air. Canning.
could hon. gentlemen refuse to receive Mr. Canning's opinion.
as to the ability, the integrity, and the qualifications of Lord
-Londonderry? Mr. Canning, on his appointment to office; on
the ground of his foreign pol:cy, received the cordial support of
hon. gentlemen opposite: They overlooked his opinion on
some points of domestic pelicy, and it was !Ilion his general con-
duct with respect to foreign affairs that the house was prepared
to give his government a fair trial. 'When Lord Londonderry
expressed his wish to resign the situation he held at Vienna,
this was the letter he received from Mr.. Canning:—".Mv
Lord,—Having laid before the King your excellency's despatch
of the 26th ult.,requesting his majesty's gracious permission
to retire from the eminent post of his majesty's -ambassador at
the court of Vienna, I have received his majesty's commands to
signify to your excellency the permission which your excellency
solicits, accompanied with the expression of his majesty's-deep
regret for the loss of ytmur exCellency's services, and of his full
bud entire approbation of the manner in which your excellency
as, fora series of years, and itY times of the in oat critical impor-
ante, conducted the affairs of the emhassy entrusted to your
charge, and maintained the intimate, cordial, and good tinder-
standing so happily subsisting between his-majesty and his ill's
Aerial (Cheers,) That was the testimony borne by Mr.
Cunning to, the conduct of Lord Londonderry ou the -last occa-
sien on which he was employed iu the public service ; and the
right hon. baronet must say that, considering Lord London-
derry's intimate and personal acquaintance with all the-greet
events of 1814,sconsidering the proof he had given by Mr.
Canning of the able manner in which he had perfumed bit
ditties, he could not believe that angry speeches made in that
houses--he could not believe that the improper allusion which
.had been made to his application for a pension could be consi-
dered sufficient to outweigh the testimony that had been given
by so impartial an individual. Sir Robert then referred to the
topic so is relevantly ' introduced—the relations of - Russia and
'Turkey,'atid, after quoting at seine length the opinions of-Lord
Holland, concluded his speech by' 'saying :—lf the hon. gentle-
man should think it expedient to make a precedent of interpos-
ing between the easeeciee ofs-Stie. Kings - pseregative'- and
to establish it toe with respect of an ambassador, the house
might rest assured that the precedent winild norelop there.
Every other appointment whatever-that might be made with a
majority (cries of " Minority, minority'!') a fortiori' if they
were by a majority that would not- diminish the force of
the objection. • (Hear, 'hear.) That 'would not diminish the
force of the constitutional objection. The right lion. baronet
had no wish to underrate the objection, but if the ether side of
the house hod a 'majority, he would' say' unfeignedly to t•heiur
their better course would be to attack the government maic°
(hear,: hear)-s-to 'ask the crown to remove the government.
If government was entirely without the confidence orthe ma-
t jority of the house, why did that-majority not address the crown
forits instant removal ?. Surely it would be mush better to take
that course than to attempt to -totter the prerogetite of the
! crown by the house assuming to•itself undue power:Wand inter-
fering with appointments which properly belonged to the
crown. (Cheers.)
! . Sir J. C. Ilenuouse commenced a speech•ofsgrcat- length.
for which we have not space to give even at outline; by-asking
if Sir It. Peel intended-to persevere with this appointment?
Sir It. PEEL said that whether he should be in a majority or
minority, the house would never find him disposed to withhold
any intimation in answer to' env question which he coold give
consistently with his sense of pale- duty. He did not hesitate,
111.0-elite, tit say that; notvrithstainding the 'speeches to-night, he
he•tvasintil prepared to' advise the Crown•to cancel the appolut-
When Sir J.. C. llobhoute had cotiluderriiii speech,
SirtEriwaen•KeaecnerLi. addressed. the house by depre-
t eating the course of personal -abuse •vihich had, since the corn-
stnencement of thesessiim, bight after night, been lotion ed•up by
-the members on the oppositetside of the -hotese. tAs bet had been
persorelly alluded to, hi-would 'take the liberty of explaining
Whet-had-passed with reference to bird in the formation-of Lord
'Grev'SathriiitiStration. • altar, hear.) In that respect he bad
fut.NPAU•canfirin.thesitatetifent of the iight bon. baronet. (Loud
ministerial cheers.) It hod'neter been ' course,- during the
whole time he had- satin-parliament, to-indulge -in-personal
invective against any men filling public situations; he kne'
too well the value of public character to presume tO trifle with
'that whieh• belonged to any 'than (hear, hear), and -of Loud
Grey, or those who forieedt his%administration,•he never spoke
but it terms of the utmost- deference and respect. (Cheers.)
The noblc'earl tin the progress of h;a arrangements for com-
pleting his cabinet, through the medium of Lord Palmerston,
did him the hinnitussmost unexpected-nn his (Sir E. Knatch-
bull's) past, to call on him and ask him if he- would accept
ofiico'under him (Lord Grey) His answer to that iipplication
was, that not la.ingembitious offline; he•was utiwilliust to take
such a course, but he heartily wished success to his durriship't
administration. (Hear, hear.) Why? Because
,itswas c4.n-
-sisteta with the conduct which he had pursued- informer Fes-
t•ions. (Hear; hear.) He also. added on that occasion, that be
• sincerely• hoped to preserve the institutions of the state n ab-
out proceeding so far as to endanger those institution's (Steer.)
Sir :George Strickland, Lord Ebrington, Lord D. Stuart.
Col. Evans, Mr. H. Bul'ser, and Mr. Ewart spoke on this'
motion.