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from forcibly fixing the composition on the average price of
corn for'the seven years inunedi.►tely preceding. tlio pass►ng of
this bill. -By the acts now regulating compositions for tithes,
the average price of wheat was El 1.55. 104 d ► and of
13s. 111 d.; white the average of the last seveii years would be,
fur wheat, El I.os. 11d., and-of oats, 114. Sid. This chaulzo;
therefore, would effect a diminution of 1-16th per cent., or 1-6th

of the whole. .
Sir K. Peel then proceeded to demonstrate the effect of LOrd
.Morpeth's process.of exhaustion upon the funds of the church;
taking, as illustrations, first, £lOO of tithes; secondly, a
,living
sof the nominal value of £6OO a-year ; thirdly, the revenues Of
the church generally.
As to the £lOO worth of tithes, from that there is to he taken
three-tenths, or £39. Thus by the first battery the £lOO is re-
duced to £7O. Vsrliat reduction the battery of the three barristers
may effect is omitted from the calculation. But the third battery,
the forcible opening of old agreements for compositions, takes
off one-sixth of £io, or £ll 10s., which melts down the £lOO to
£5B 10s. Then there is to be a further reduction of 6d. in the
pound for collection, which is £1 95., and that brings-the £5B
10s. down to £57
With regard to the living of £6OO a-year, three-tenths (4E690
being £lBO, the £6OO is at once reduced to £429. Take from
this £420 one-sixth, or £7O, the sum will be further brought
dawn to £350. The 6d. in the pound for collection will make
further deduction of £8 15s. so that the £6OO becomes £341 Sc.
One might suppose that here the process of exhaustion upon the
£6OO would be itself exhausted, but the fact is otherwise. Under
the church temporalities ect this living of £6OO will be further
liable to a reduction of 2; per cent., which, amounting to £Blos.,
gives a further squeeze to the late £6OO, and out it comes just.
£332 15s. at last. Now suppose, said Sir R. Peel, that the incum-
bent of such a living should, with a view to a future provision
for his family, insure his life, paying £4O a year for that purpose,
and suppose he required a curate to assist him in the'discharge
of his duties, the stipend of that curate being £75 a year,—what
would the house say to the surplus emoluments of such a cler-
gyman ?
The gross amount of the tithes payable to parochial incum-
bents was shown by Sir R. Peel to be £507,367. In the first
place, three-tenths of this sum, or £152,700 being deducted,
there remain but £354,667. The 6d. in the pound for collection
amounts to £8872, which further reduces the sum to £315,795.
Deduct again one-sixth for the change in the corn averages,
which is £57,632, and the amount of tithe payable to parochial
incumbents will, under this process of exhaustion, be reduced
from £507,367 to £288,163. To this sum of £288,163, however,
is to be added the value of glebes, which Lord Morpeth had
estimated at £60,000, but which Sir R. Peel said he believed to
he as much as £76,778, which, together with the ministers'
money, which amounts to £12,838 gives as the total provision
fur the parochial clergy, £377,779.
After comparing this sum with the statements of Dr. Doyle,
of Mr. Hume, of Mr. Ward, and of Lord Althorp,—Sir It. Peel
triumphantly asked the majority of the house, how they came
to pledge themselves that there was, that there muit be, a
surplus.
We have left ourselves no room to notice the elaborate and
striking description which Sir H. Peel gave of the actual con-
dition of the protestant establishment in. Ireland, with the view
of further demonstrating the absurdity of talking about " a
surplus." Seine features of it, however, are too remarkable to
be passed over even in this hasty summary of his admirable
speech. Ile showed that there are 1385 benefices in Ireland ;
that in 264 of these there are fewer than 50 protestants, and in
the remainder, namely, 1121, more thanso. Divide the amount
of tithe (£288,163) by this uarober (1121,1 and it appears that
the average amount of tithe for each benefice throughout Ire-
land, with snore than 50 pridestants, will be only £206 a-year.
Again, there are 2405 parishes in Ireland, of which 860, accord-
ing to Lord Morpeth, contain less than 50 protestants, while the
remainder, 1545, contain more. Even supposing these 860
parishes to be put into Lord Morpeth's spiritual schedule A,
which his lordship proposes, calling them facetiously "feeders
of his reserve," still there will be on an average only £lBB
a-vear for each of the 1545 parishes saved,—notwithstanding all
LZ)rd Morpeth's feeding.
To sum up Sir R. Peel's description in a few words (we shall
notice it. more at length on another occasion,) there are -961
benefices in Ireland with more then 100 protestants in each,
and 1165 with a church in each, some having two churches.
There are in all 1383 churches in Ireland; so that if each of
these were served by an incumbent with £220 a year,- the funds
necessary would be 304,260, which is more than the amount of
tithe.
The resolution for appropriating the surplus revenues of the
Irish church to the purposes of education having been read by
the clerk at the table on the motion of Mr. Rice,
Mr. S. Rica proceeded to address the house. He assured
the right hon. baronet and the house that he yielded to no man
in fervent and sincere attachment to the protestant church, and
that he was as ready to come forward as its defender as that
right hon. baronet could be. What was his proposition? He
had made a speech which warranted gentlemen in taking one of
two courses, either to reject the principle of the bill ou its
second reading or to accompany the authors of the measure in
committee for the purpose of modifying some of the details of a
bill unopposed on the second reading. Assuming that the bill
was calculated to do all the mischief which the right honourable
baronet had so powerfully urged, all he (Mr. Rice) could say
was that with those opinions he would have died sooner than
have consented to the second reading of it; he would not have
sought for modes of creating a division. The right honourable
gentleman then proceeded to examine the cases brought for-
ward by Sir Robert Peel in support of his views, upon which he
spoke at great length. In the committee he would be prepared
to discuss every point. The object of the right hon. baronet's
motion was to defeat the question of appropriatioiewhether
there was a surplus or not. It was a futile motion-, and only
calculated to catch a few votes. Those who voted for the
resolution peoposed by his noble friend, the member for Stroud,
and who wished to retrace their steps, should support the right
hon. baronet's proposition; but let those who thought that re-
solution was fouuded in justice adhere to it and vote against the
motion, and by so doing they would not preclude themselves
from considering whether or not there was a surplus, as he con-
tended there was. He was ready to argue the question of a
surplus, but he would mot do so at that time, because he would.
not give the right hon. baronet the advantage of apparently
debating one subject whilst he was in fact calling upon the
house to decide another. He said on a former occasion that',
ministers would select their own field of battle. They had in-
troduced this and another great measure, and to them they
would adhere. He would argue the question in committee, but
he would not give the right hon. baronet the advantag of a de-
bate upon figures, and a division upon that. The right lion.
baronet might have raised the question by moving that the house
should rescind the resolution it had adopted. Let no hon.
member suppose that by voting for the right hon. baronet's mo-
tion tie was in fact rescinding the resolution of the house. lie
admitted that he had not grappled with the right hon. baronet's
figures. (Cheers from the opposition benches.) The right
hon. baronet wished to argue upon one point and to divide upon
another. He trusted that the house would negative the right
hon. baronet's proposition, and go into committee. (Hear.)
For his part he would not allow a parliamentary minority to
convert itself into a majority by a sort of sleight of hand or
legerdemain—by moving a proposition which apparently meant
one thing but in reality meant another. (Much cheesier; from
the opposition, answered by loud cheers from the miuisterial
benches )
Mr. LEF ROY said that the right hon. baronet had clearly de-
monstrated—had put beyond the possibility of a doubt that there
was no surplus iu existence, and had therefore acted properly in
giving the house an opportunity of retracing the hasty and in-
considerate step to which they had been rashly urged by the
present ministers.
Mr. Desisoe spoke against the motion.
Mr. G. F. YOUNG hoped the bill would prove a bond of union
between England and Ireland and pnt au end to the unhappy
differences which now existed.
Mr. A FRENCH followed on the same side of the question.
•
Mr. WALTER concluded a speech of some length by saying, if
he thought the present measure would tranquillize Ireland, he
would cheerfully vote for it; but, being convinced that it would
not—that many of its provisions did not apply to those evils
which had been assigned Ly the most intelligent men as the
real causes of disturbance, he should:vote for the division of the
bill. into two parts, that the good iiiioet be retained and the ob-
jectionable laid aside. (Cheering.)
Sir lionenT Brats supported the motion.
The hon. baronk was called to order by Mr. Forester, when
the Speaker' iinerfered, which he had to do a second and a
thied time before order was restored.
Mr. HUME moved the adjournment of the further debate.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of,-and the
house adjourned at twenty minutes to one o'clock.

HOUSE OP LORDS—WEDNESDAY. •
Lord DVNCANNON laid on the table the copy of Mr. Hogg's
protest against the Municipal Corporation report. . •
The Merchants Seamen's Bill went through a committee ;
report to be received to-morrow.
On the motion of Lord SHAFTESBURY, the bills on the table
were respectively forwarded a stage ; after which the house ad-
journed.

HOUSE OF COMMONS--WEDNESDAY.
Mr. TOOKE gave notice that on this day week he should call
the attention of the house to the address to the throne, and his
majesty's most gracious answer thereto, respecting a charter to
the London Un►versity.
Mr. W. W. Wv NNE presented a futher report from the corn-
..rnittee to inquire into the circumstances of the late Ipswich
election. The report, which was read at length, but indistinctly
heard in the gallery, acquitted most of the individuals against
whom charges had been made, but condemned the conduct of
Mr. Keith in-aiding and abetting the individuals who had ab-
sconded iii the course they had taken.
Mr. Hurst moved that Mr. Keith be taken into the custody
of the Sergeant at Arms.
After sonic observations from Mr. Wason, Mr. Sinclair, Mr.
Wilks, Mr. C. W. Wynne, Mr. Patrick Stewart, Mr. Miles,
and Sir M. W. Ridley, Lord John Russell proposed that the
motion should be postponed until Friday next, which after some
discussion was assented to.
Sir B. VERB then moved that Mr. Sparrow be called to the
bar and discharged; this gave rise to an extended discussion
which was proceeding when the reporter left.

No TREAT tte THE Doc DAYS.-A placard is at present to
be seen in a bookseller's shop w indow in Great Queen-street,
Lincolu's-inn-fields, intimating the proprietor's intention 3f
letting a portion of the premises. The placard concludes with
an observation anything but recommendatory, at all events, at
this season of the }ear— " The apartments," it says "are ex-
ceedingly warm and corn fortable."—Morning paper.
UTILITARiANISNE,—It was Bentham, we believe, who in-
vented the barbarous word " Utilitarian ;" but Utilitarianism
(the thing) had another teacher. At the close of the last century
Robespierre professed that he—like nature—careless about the
individual, but careful of the species, thinned the Community
upon the principle of the greatest happiness to the greatest
number of mankind. Fourcroy was refused a short respite
from the guillotine to complete some experiments. on the
ground that the republic did not need philosophers. We mean
not to assimilate the Benthamites with the RobespierrieUs in
their views or temper, hut simply to exhibit utilitarianism tits
susceptibilities and tendencies. It affects to be republican, but
it is wholly unimbued with that republican spirit of Athens and
Rome which produced the chefs d'ceu vre of the. ages of Pericles
and Demosthenes—Augustus and Adtian—which discomfited
Xerxes, and demolished Carthage. The utilitarians may say
t heti they understand the word in a different sense, and reproacit
•the uninitiated with ignorance. This rebuke of ignorance is
the must easy and obvious of all replies to au opponent—it
flatters the conceit of those who use it, imposes upeu the vulgar,
and costs nothing. Their watchword of " the useful," in its
obvious acceptation—without teference to the virtuous, the
grand, the beautiful, in sentiment, in action, in the works of
nature and in those of art—if once received among the conven-
tions of society, or the principles of science, would debase and
inhumanize our species. Happily the system can never, from
its nature, make way in a modern and civilized community.
Virtue and humanity—the graces and accomplishments of life
—works of taste and genius in science, literature and the fine
and useful arts—will be prized for themselves;—for the various
pleasures which they impart ;—not by the standard of the
utilitarians. What would be the utilitarian value of those
. Homeric poems which Alexander inclosed in a golden casket—
of the remains of the acropolis—of the transfiguration—of the
" Paradise • Lost"—of the " Principa"—of the' M4cbanique
Celeste ? British and Fui-ei§n Review.

THE LIVMPOOL STANDARD.

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FOREIGN. EVTELLIGENCE

The following telegraphic despatch was posted on the Bourse-
qn Manday

" BA YOMNE, JULY 18.—General Ha'riope to the Minister of
the Interior.—The conflict which I felt yesterday must and had
taken place, did so take place on the 16th instant. The Car-
lists were thrown back upon Estella, and they' were vigorously
pursued till the fall of night. They had sent off their artillery
in the direction of Lecumberri. Details have not yet arrived.
It is said that three battalions of Castille, composed of Chris-
tino's prisoners, have gone over to the army of the Queen."
\Ve have no further accounts from the north of Spain, except
that Moreno is certainly appointed to the command of the Car-
lists. He has published a proclamation, in which he alludes to
the persecutions he underwent in Fiance and England by the
agents of usurpation and the masonic lodges, because he did his
duty in putting to death the rebel Torrijos and his companions,
and he pledges himself to do his utmost to exterminate the
wicked. We cannot help considering his appointment to be
most injudicious on the part of the advisers of Don Carlos.