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HOUSE OF COMMONS.-TUESDAY

Mr. HUMS recurred to the frauds in the Customs,
which he belieyed had been to the extent of millions per
annum. The fault lay in the improper selection of com-
missioners, who, instead of being chosen from a class of
persons acquainted with the business, and capable of duly
superintending it, were appointed merely from interest.
He moved an address to the Crown for the production of
the evidence appended to the report.
Mr. FORSTER seconded the motion, and Mr. WlL-
mAsis supported it.
Mr. GOULBOURN, agreed that publication, when the
proper time for it shOuld come, would do great good ; but
to publish now would be to defeat the prosecutions. The
attention of government was anxiously directed to the
circumstances stated in the report; and every precaution
that human means could include, would be taken against
the recurrence of similar malversations.
Mr. RUMS finally withdrew _

Mr. DUN cousz afterwards moved for the public entry
of the orders in the minute-books to be kept in the Long
Room, and for the printing and publication, on the Ist day
in each month, of all new orders made in the month pre-
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ceding.
Mr. GOULBORN assented to the first part of the motion,
but resisted the second, which, on a division, was re-
jected.
After some further business of no interest, it was ob-
served, a little after four, that there were not forty mem-
bers present.
The house was accordingly counted out.

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HOUSE OF COMMONS.-WEDNESDAY.

The house met at twelve o'clock.
The British Iron Company Bill was read a second time.
The Coalwhippers Bill passed through committee, after
considerable •discussion.

Sir R. "PEEL said, it was not the intention of the go- 1
vernment tnrepeal" tieaet preventing• religious proces- I
sious •in Ireland-diming the present session. The act ..
would. expire at the dose of the next session of parliament,
and of course tht goverimient-would.consider whether it
was necessary to give it a more extended operation. For
bis own part be would . feel great `pleasure:when the'tinie_
should come rendering such- an act wholly unnecessai*:
Mr. GROGAN • said, that •at :one •Of .th multitUdinous .
meetings. which• had recently rfalten, place" in IrehUid;lt.
had been stated, either at the 'meeting or the dinner:which,
tog* place• subsequent to it, that there 'bad been ji6i,,,
kgotiations between Lord Eliot and the authorities ot;,
Maynooth College- with reference to an increased. grant
tOlvitrynootb.. • .He wish d' to' knew whether the noble.
.16rd had •eny 'eetion -to: lay 'the correspondence on the
stittfeelbifore' i Kii*i? ," ' , `.l ' ' • •
111?,
EU& (-Add; lia lhad'iieirer' maid nifatement to
induce aiiiiiiiitn believe Mat the grant would ho increased.
In saying this he wished to beWnieistOod'as merely sta-
ting a fact, and not expressing an opinion.

Mr. SMYTHE inquired, whether any application had
been made to the government to discharge the debts of
Maynooth College ?
Lord ELIOT said, that shortly after the present govern-
ment came into office, a memorial was presented to the
ministry by Itoman Catholic prelates, praying for a grant
to discharge the debts of Maynooth; and in the course
of last autumn be received a communication from the
secretary of the trustees of Maynooth College, which he
considered a private communication. Therefore, without
the authority of the party who sent it him, be could not
lay a copy of that communication on the table. He had
called the attention of his right hon. friend at the head
of the government to that communication, but had taken
no other step.

Mr. S. CRAWFORD moved the second reading of the
Landlord and Tenant (Ireland) Bill, the object of which
was to compel the landlord to make allowances or com-
pensation to the tenant for the improvements on his land.
Sir R. PEEL said, he hoped that the hon. gentleman
would not ask the government to come to any decision
now upon the subject. Whatever course the government
might think it necessary to take respecting the subject of
landlord and tenant in Ireland, it was most important
that nothing should be left in a state of vagueness or un-
certainty, but ample time should be afforded for the con-
sideration of its details. The government had already
directed that a careful review should be made respecting
the law in England and Ireland as regarded landlord and
tenant. They, however, had no intention whatever to
interfere with the just and legitimate rights of property,
by introducing any measure which could recognise what
was called fixity of tenure. He felt that he was bound
to discourage all such delusive hopes ; but, at the same
time, nothing should deter the government from giving
that consideration to the subject which its great impor-
tance demanded. He was not now prepared to give any
opinion upon the bill.

Mr. CRAWFORD thanked Sir R. Peel for his pledge-to
take the question into his consideration, and should now
ask leave to withdraw the bill.
The bill was then withdrawn.

Sir C. INTAriER said, he thought it his duty to bring
under the consideration of the house the conduct of the
Governor of St. Kitt's, in throwing overboard a young
midshipman for refusing to land the Governor at Basterre.
The hon. and gallant officer then proceeded to enter at
some length upon the matter, attaching blame to the con-
duct of the Governor.
Lord STANLEY entered into a counter statement con-
demnatory of the conduct of the captain of the steam-
packet, who ought to have shown some share of civility
to the passengers, and more particularly to a dying lady,
who was conveyed on board by the Governor himself. it
was not very surprising that the want of respect to the
Governor on the part of the captain should be copied by
those under his command, and he therefore attached little
blame to the midshipman.
Lord ELIOT moved the third reading of the Arms (Ire-
land) Bill. .

Lord CLEMENTS moved as an amendment that it should
be read a third time that day six months.
Captain BERNAL seconded the amendment.
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Mr. DISRAELI said, that Sir R. Peel had left his party
without a guide as to his course of policy with respect to
Ireland. He had obtained power in consequence of Lord
Stanley's Registration Bill, and having obtained that
power, he then turned round and virtually allowed that
the former government was right in opposing the very
Registration Bill of Lord Stanley, which he had himself
supported. The consequence was, that having left his
party in the lurch, they were now in the position of sup-
porting leaders without knowing the principles upon which
they were acting. The present government was acting as
if Ireland were a theatre, and the repeal agitation a diver-
tissement got up for the purpose of entertainment, and
which was to close at the termination of the session.
This do-nothing policy, this paralysis of statesmanship,
was, he understood, to be attributed to a dissension in
the cabinet, a state of affairs from which nothing could
be expected, for Ireland required some great man to take
decisive steps to bring forward immediately some great
remedial measures. The present measure he viewed as
contemptible, and the opposition to it equally so, and he
should therefore give no vote upon the question.
Mr. SIIEIL called upon the house to contrast the pre-
sent state of Ireland with its condition under the influ-
ence of a whiz administration, and said, that even at the
period of Catholic emancipation the country was by no
means so excited as it was at the present moment. He
saw no reason to think that the agitation would subside,
supported as it was by the Catholic clergy, who were gra-
tuitously vilified as a low and degraded class in the other
house of parliament. He suggested the policy'of appor-
tioning glebe-houses and glebe-lands to the Catholic cler-
gy, whicn would create a sentiment of reciprocal sustain-
ment between the Catholic church and the state.

Sir R. PEEL wished to separate the consideration of the

Arms Bill from the consideration of the general question
of the state of Ireland, with whiCh it had nothing to do,
for the Arms Bill was framed in the last session of-Parlia-
ment before the agitation in Ireland assumed its present
aspect. The opponents of the bill had themselves sup-
ported a more stringent measure when brought forward
by the late administration, which was a proof that there
was something in the state of Ireland which called for a
different legislation from that which was applied to Eng-
land. He disclaimed all idea of offering any insult to Ire-
land ; he was only anxious to give greater security to life
and property in that country. Neither did he propose un-
equal legislation for the two countries except so far as the
circumstances of each were in themselves unequal. He
viewed the state of affairs in Ireland with deep and anxious
solicitude. He thought that the asperities arising from
religious differences in that country were fast melting
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away, and that a better and more wholesome state of
things was fast arising ; but the agitation which had arisen
threatened to defeat all his most ardent aspirations. In
reference to the suggestion of Mr. Sheil, as to giving
glebe-huuses and glebe-lands to the Catholic clergy, he
asked how far such a suggestion was consistent with Mr.
Sheil's intention of supporting the motion made a short
time since by Mr. Ward respecting the redistribution of
the property of the Irish Church. No such compromise
was then talked of; on the contrary, they were told that
nothing short of the re-distribution proposed would si-
tisfy the people of Ireland, and yet now it was suggested
that a much more modified measure would be accepted.
The right hon. baronet concluded by stating that nothing
should be left undone by the government which could
tend to preserve the integrity of the empire.
The house divided :
For the third reading......
Against it
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Majority
The bill was then read a third time, and passed
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and
the house adjourned.

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HOUSE OF LORDS.-THURSDAY

Lord BROUGHAM surprised the House of Lords by
bringing forward, without, as he announced, any commu-
nication with government, a modified form of the Coer-
cion Bill, by which, as he boasted, he had succeeded in
preserving the public peace in Ireland in 1833. An
attempt to seduce the non-commissioned officers of the
army from their allegiance was the immediate reason for
this somewhat extraordinary step.
Lord WxcicLow expressed his extreme gratification at
the re-introduction of a measure which should from the
first have been made permanent ; but Lord CAMPBELL,
considering the bill as clearly one of coercion, opposed it
as unnecessary, and objected, moreover, that it should
have emanated from the responsible advisers of the crown.

After a few words from the Marquis of LONDONDERRY,
the bill passed its first stage. _ _

The Earl of LUCAN then, in moving for papers respect-
ing the circumstances under which he had been removed
from the commission of the peace for the county of Mayo,
entered into an explanation of his conduct, and com-
plained, apparently with much justice, of the treatment
he had experienced at the hands of the Lord Chancellor
tar Ireland.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE assented to the production of the
papers, but declined giving any immediate opinion.
Lord BROUGHAM, however, did not hesitate to express
his sympathy with Lord Lucari, and several noble Lords
concurred in strong expressions of indignation at the
harshness with which he had been treated.
The house then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-THURSDAY.

Mr. GLADSTONE rose to move the second reading of
the bill for removing the remaining restraints on the ex-
portation of machinery. He would not now deal with ab-
stract dogmas of political economy, but would call on the
house to look at the question in a mere practical view.
He explained that the same principles which sanction the
exportation of manufactured goods, sanction equally the
exportation of machinery for manufacturing them ; and
pointed out that though foreigners might thus be enabled
to produce commodities a little more cheaply, yet there
was hartlly any article of export whereof so large a pro-
portion of the price consisted in the wages of domestic
labour, perhaps 80 or 90 per, cent. .lie cited the authority
of parliamentary comtnitteetrin fgriour 'of these principles.
It was to be regretted that such a 'bill had not been pro-
posed solne years ado, for the Belgians had now, by the
aid of our tools and of our artizans, begun to produce ma-
chinery, not only for their own use, but for third markets.
Such, hOwever, were the advantages enjoyed by England
that she would icon be able to overcome all competition.
Mean While the exportation could only be by license from
government, and,' however fairly and impartially the
licensing were conducted, stiSPlcions would always arise
that favour was granted or' withheld according to the
greater or less interest of the applicants. Not only was
the existing law extensively evaded by piecemeal exporta-
tion, but it furnished argumenta to other states for main-
taining their own laws of commercial exclusion; ' nor
would the general manufacturer be a loser by the exporta-
tion of machines; he would always have the advantage of
being nearest to the spot where machines,were construct-'
ed, and thus of saving in the coat of carriage and procu-
ring•the earliest improvements. Some might urge a spe-
bial objection to the exportation of. machines for the flax
' and linen manufactures, on account of the prohibition of
those particular manufactures in some great continental
markets; but he would not on that account except these
-machines froin the general relaxation he proposed.
' ' Mr. HiNDLZY thought that these extreme doctrines of
free trade were strange ' inconsistencies in a Ministry
which . had turned out the . preceding government for
merely approaching the free trade principle. Before the
passing of so important 4 bill, there ought to have been a
select-, committee with. the President:of the Board of
Triidelti the 'chili.; -if was le Mistake to suppose that
imiigg!ing hi this line could' not be prevented ' • no machi.
.atitl recut& be :mide maithoht ith , being fulls, known) If
wovernmeut, would weipeal tbetden, lawi,:he. Would not ob-
ject tcesuch a bill, ailthtsi; but' he”couldinot .consent to it;
ibild that iltotivwssl left round the beat; birtbe manufac--
turers. He rbellevedith'e machine makers , were now in
' Tull eitilliciiiisid:tiiiiitihr no such relief as the 'present:
This was the 'meat c important .bill of the session and yet
the ministers were piwposiug' to read it a second, time on
the 10th of August. He moved, as an amendment, that