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A.:—As you would (says .Christ) that men.should do yo. you,
iloyou hlso to them in l►ke manner.—(Luke vi. 31.)
:Q.—What particular duties are required of me by that rule ?
A.—Never to injure your neighbour le weril'Or deed—in his
person, property, or character; to wish well to hint andto pray
for him, and always to assist him as far as you are able in his
spiritual and corporal necessities.
Q.—Am I also obliged tc love my enemies?
A.—Most certainly. "Love your enemies," says Christ;
" do good to them that hate you; bless them that curse you ;
and pray (or there that despitefully use."—(Luke, vi., Mat., v.)
Allow me, now, beloved fellow•christians, to appeal to your
candour, and to ask does this &tett ine seem to breathe, or is it
in any way reconeileable with the spirit of religious persecution?
Judge for yourselves • . weigh this statetneut well, and decide
whether the spirit of intolerance or uncharitahleness will be
found to rest more fairly on us or on our accusers." Let n?e
second Doctor 'Murray's n-quest, and entreat you to judge for
yourselves. He has given you some quotations from one of his
catechisms ; let me call your attention to another part of the
same catechism.
Butler's Catechism, p. 29 and 30. Lesson x. an the true Church.
Q.—What do you mean by the.true church ?
A.—The congregation of all the faithful, who, being baptized,
profess the same doctrine, partake of the same sacrament, and
are governed by their lawful pastors under our, visible head on
tart b.
Q.—How do you call the true church?
A.—The holy catholic church, Ap. Cr.
Q.—ls there any other true church besiiles the holy catholic
church ?
A.—No. As there is but one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
one God and Father of all, there is hut one true church.
Q.—Are all obliged to be of the true church ?
A.—Yes; no one can be saved out of it.
Again, page 51— •
Q.—Do the precepts of the cherub oblige under pain of mor-
tal sin ?

A.—Yes. " He that will not hear the church," says Christ
" let him be to thee as the heathen and the publican."
Here, now, the children are taught that heretics cannot be
saved; that every one who does not belong to the church of
Rome is to be tried as a beathen and a publican. (Cheers.)
Agaiie, in a small catechism for children, entitled "Tbe Grounds
of the'Catholic Doctrine. contained in the Professions of Faith,
publiSised by Pope Pius IV., and now in use for the reception
of Culverts into the Church, by way of Question and Answer;
the twentieth edition; stereotyped. Dublin, printed by Richard
Coyne, 4, Chapel-street, 1829." In page 7 we find as lollaws:-'-•
Now true faith, in order to please God and save our souls, must
be entire, that is to say, we must believe without exception all
such articles as are revealed by God, arid are proposed by his
church to be believed.. and he that voluntarily and obstinately
disbelieveth any one of these articles is no less void of true
saving faith than he that disbelieves them all. As St. James'
tells us with regard to practicalduties, chap. ii. v. 10, " Who-
esoever shall keep the 'sleet ..law, aeastsyet offend lionise goint,. he
is gnitty of all." Hence St. Paul„Gat:v, v. 20, reckoni here.:
sits, that is, false religiose., aiuringstehose works of the flesh, of
which he propouisces- ' that they which do such things sball not
inherit the kingdom of God."- Ansi,God himself (Isaiah lx, v.
12) tells his church, "The nation and kingdom that will not
serve thee shall perish." Again; page 53. speaking of protes-
tants, he says—" We are convinced that they are schismatics,
by separating themselves from the communion of the church of
Christ; aneherelics, by dissenting from her doctrines in many
substantial articles; and, consequently, that they have no part
in the church of Christ, no lawful mission, no succession from
the apostles, no authority at all to preach the word of God, or
administer the sacraments, in fine, no share in the promise of
Christ's heavenly kingdom, excepting the case of invincible
ignorance, from which the scripture in so many places excludes
schismatics arid heretics." In the christian doctrine of Dr.
Doyle, prescribed by him to be used in the diocese of Kildare
and Loughlan, printed by Richard Coyne, in the year 1828,
we find the following passages:—first, in his dedication to the
members of the society of the christian doctrine. Speaking of
the way to teach children, he says—" Impress upon their hearts
a love of Christ, and of his holy spouse the church; let them
know and fear the malice and danger of those heresies which
have rebelled against both, that thy may avoid all communi-
cation with them." Here the childrim are taught to count us
heretics and rebels because we refuse n 7 submit to the church of
Rome. And in the body of the catechism, page 25, we find'
how these principles are to be impressed upon the children:—
Q.—What think you then of such as accuse the church of
errors of faith and of idolatry?
A.-e-Truly, I think them to be heretics or infidels, for our
Lord saith, "Ile that will not hear the church let hint be unto
thee as an heathen and a publican." St. Matt. viii, v. 17.
Q. Is not the church, at least, too severe in i's censures and
excommuications against sectaries ?
A. No; she is very reasonable and charitable in them, for
vicious, passionate„ and self-interested sometimes are brought
to reason fer fear of punishment; so a father corrects his child,
and if it continues obstinate and wicked disinherits it.
Here this very man, Dr. Doyle, whose catechism is one of the
most popdlar in Ireland. impresses on the minds of children the
right and duty of the church to punish us, and when we inquire
where are these punishments to be found? the answer is—ask
Peter Dens. (Loud cheers.) The Doctor now turns to another
enode of appeal.—Generous Britons! Ynu, whose hnnourablo
reverence- for truth forms 'such a prominent feature in your char
racier, will you any longer allow your confidence to be thus
abused ? Will you not at length open your eyes to the ex pedi•
ency of examining, by the exercise of your own judgment. the
imputations cast upon us and our church, rather than receive
them, without inquiry, as true, tipen testimony which you must
now see to be one'of the ems: queetionaele character? In the
doctrine of millions there can be nothing secret. Take the
trouble of making yourselves acquainted, through authentic
sources, with the real differences of doctrine between us and you.
You will find, in a little book, which I pray you to read over—
it is a short explanation of the catholic faith by Bossuet. You will
find it in any catholic bookseller's Osel. It will plaise before you,
in a few short pages, the articles of faith in which weelisagree.
The doctor here turns your attention to a tract of Boseuet. It
is a smooth 'and oily tract, and the Doctor wishes you to suppose
that there was nothing deeper in that varnished Jesuit than he
would wish you to believe iu any other of those who professed
the theology of Peter Dens. For Bossuet was a friend of Peter
Dens as well as Dr. Murray ; and there is a remarkable fact
connected with him, to he ((fund in the fills volume of this work.
These le a certain class of crimes of such a dark complexion,
Ilev :ire not twtthin trrie ordivarreretich of popish ahsiftu
Lion ; :64 are called reserved cases; thevi lest cannot forgive
them; the bishop cannot forgive them; , they must he reserved
for the absolution of the pope himself. Observe' what a tre-
mendous power this gives the priesthood over the conscience of
their unhappy victims, and how they must tremble at the com-
mission of those crimes which can 'only be pardoned by the
imps. It is necessary that the pi iests should have these crimes
in their recollection, that when a sinner comes tot he eonfessional,
that they _may be sure. that. his ilium lies within the reach of
their jurisdiction. Accordingly, Bosissiet has composed three
Hexameter Latin eerses, to serve as a memoria technics for the
priests on this occasion. Foremost ,on the list of criminals he
has placed the heretic, and we find in Peter Deno the verses
which be has composed—

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of the pure gospel of Christ. And I trust the teachers and peo-
ple may be led to consider of these things before it be ti late
to turn to the refuge which God has set before us. This is my
heart's desire and prayer to God for them, and it is the first de-
sire of my soul in bringing these things forward. It is not to
excite enmity against them, but to excite (and it is that which if
you be christiaris it will excite (your heart's genial feelings of com-
passion for them. "For who maketh thee to differ from soo-
ther, and. whet . hest thou that thou didst not receive?" if we
are not bowetrdown under these superstiiiims, and that we are
'not maintaining the doctrines of Dens. "By the grace of God
we are what we are." And may that grace be given to our,
poor Roman catholic friends and neighbours! May we learn
to abhor that liberalism which' makes light of these things.
May we, if we haVe any title to the name of christiaus, stand
up and maintain the cause of our God wherever we are.
(Cheers.) I do trust that this is the last time that any of us
shall ever be ,obliged to go through this evidence again. I
trerst.there-Als not an editor of eine newstesper will presume tir
deny that which' I,say I defy his taleuts to disprove. (Lend
cheering.) I 'trust, since Dr. Murray has voluntarily given up
the cause, that it will be acknowledged to be, as it really is,
totally iudefeusible; for I Will say this, that every part of this
letter for instance, that Dr. Murray has just written, has only
been -caloulated -to plunge them deeper and deeper into the
charge, and every page appears to me to mark the finger of
God in it. Every part only supplies yon with additional mate-
rials to-find out more and more of errors. (Cheers.) For ex-
ample, Dr. Murray has denied that this book was called .0. con-
ference book; his own secretary proves it;—he complains of
want of justice, and he refuses every opportunity to vindicate
himself. lie says he cannot stoop to public discussion; but he
has stooped to write column on column of sophistry in the news-
papers. lie complains that his calumniators go to a distance;
but he will not venture to meet them at home. He will not
venture to ague; but he condescends to vituperate. lie con-
tends in this very letter the church to be infallible; but he cabs
also in this very letter the very Cannon. "musty records !"
The "musty records" of "an infallible church!" (Cheers.)
He refers us to this catechism to prove the inculcation of cha-
rity. We find this catechism almost as had as Peter Dens.
He refers us to Bossuet, and Bossuet rises in judgment to con-
demn him. He refers us to his oath. This brings to light his
dispensations. He says he will retire from the controversy; to
what refuge can he flee?. It is in vain, there is no refuge what-
ever where popery can escape the light. (Hear, hear.) Driven
from all the depths of jesuistry and falsehood in which she has
been accustomed to plunge from the pursuit of truth; reduced
by every ebb and flow of arguments and proofs to shallower
and shallower sophistry, and subterfuges in her hopeless efforts
to escape, she lies at. length exposed to public view like a mon-
ster of the deep, deserted by the tide, left high and dry, gaspiug
and floundering on the bleak and open shore. (Immense cheer-
ing sod clapping
only say that all those who know the. human
heart, know that an poor, wretched sinner, like one of us,
who stands forward before the public, in any cause in which
such applauses as you have bestowed on us, iney be given to
him, stands forward only in a scene of trial and temptation—
ready to ascribe something to his vain self—not knowing that
he is as he is, "poor, and wretched, and miserable, and blind,
and naked." I can truly Bay that when I look within and view
what 1 am, as a sinner, that the applauses of the world
could not raise me out of the dust in my own estimation,
knowing that I aims before God ; and 1 would intreat, my
friends, not your applauses, but your earnest prayers. And
I do intreat your prayers, not only .for myself, but for Dr.
Mufray—for all Roman catholics. -When they say we wish
to come forwards to excite a spirit of enmity and anger against
them—to enact. laws against them, and persecutions against
them, I deny the assertion, and in the midst of England, and if
I were in the midst of her.parliament I would say, there. is nn
law will ever 4o for Ireland but the key of the living God.
(Hear, hear.) No sword, I say,: for Ireland, but the "sword of
'the- spirit which is the word Clf God." (Great applause.) And
if we had been as faithful to our Roman catholic countrymen as
we ought to have been as faithful miuisters of the living God, in
testifying with all fidelity of their errors and of the gospel, these
errors that are destroying their souls, instead of being as we are,
a wretched miserable divided nation, we should have been
bound together in orte bond of christian love, as one family with
God, not conteodiug against errors with each other, but "with
one heart and one miud, striving together for the faith of the
gospel." (Great cheering, which continued some time.) I
have the honor.to move this resolution, and tp trust in God, that
...4"Zas4llkL-10, the_ efforte_whielt j have, endeavoured to,
!mike in laying. the case before you, that it is a resolution' hich
will pass unanimously.
The reading of the reselution was received with tremendous
cheering, and the resolution itself carried by acclamation. The
address of the rev. gentleman occupied upwards of three hours
iu the delivery.
Re.v. POPE.—When I consider the length of time
during' vi hien we have been assembled in this meeting,
_and of
the twist powerful, most conclusive, anti, I shall add, effective
statement which has been submitted to th.t judgment and the
common sense of this tinge assembly, I confess, sir, that I feel
soinedilficultv in presenting myself before you. With respect
to rnyaiiwu individual self, did I merely make my appearance
on thisplatform without giving utterance to a single sentiment,'
a strong denial would be given to the rumour circulated in the

" Hcereticus, raptor, Sodomite, incestus, adulter
inceedens, pesimens, cum percussore parentum,
Sorti!egos sic Simon, Apostate demque complex."
Now what is the difference between Peter Dens and Bos-
suet? Bossuet puts persecution into poetry, while Dens
and Doctor Murray are content •witls it in prose. But
how does Dr. Murray address the prutestants of the united
empire? He calls you beloved fellow christians; now mark
what is the admission here! Why, that you may he protest-
ants, that is, you may not only deny the articles of the faith of
the church of Rome, but you may absolutely protest against her,
and yet you are beloved fellow citizens!--(Hear, hear.) The
catechism he quotes tells the children that out of the church of
Rome there is no salvation for his soul; that if a man is not a
member of that church he cannot be a christian, and yet he
comes to address the protestants of the empire as—" beloved
fellow christians !"—(Cheers.) But it is a pity when the Doc-
tor calls us " beloved fellow christians," that he circulates a
book with principles so different ; for here in this very honk the
second volume of Peter Dens (page 112) he tells us, "Luthe-
rans and Calvinists, appoint us the judge of controversies the
sacred scriptures krne or interpreted by the private judgment
of every one. But the heretics of England say, that this judg-
ment is to he ieferted to the secular power." fhe heretics of
England!—Here we are! assembled andin-one fen swoop con-
demned as the heretics of England. Dr. Nur' ay sets his book
up as the standard for his priesthood, and then be calls us—
"beloved fellow christiatts !"—(Cheers.) But there is some-
thing else. We have not to go so far as Peter Dens,• for a hat
are the very wordsssf his own letter %shell lie refers you to Bus-
suet. He says' " Examine these always keeping in mind the
saying of St. Paul, " that sects are atnonis those evils which
exclude from the kingdom of God." Isle,desires you always to
keep in mind that your very existence as a sect shuts you out
• from the kingdom of God. He applies this principle to the sects
divided from the church of Home; he brings no charge of arti-
cles of-faith rejected or crimes committed, but because you-are
separated from the church of Rome. He desires you to keep
in mind that you are excluded from the kingdom of God, and
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sister country, that-1 was' either studying at the College of
Maynooth, or that I bad gone to Rome with a vie,e of becom-
ing a Roman catholic 'priest. Having made these remarks
whit respect to myself, I shall dismiss the subject. . It is at all
times painful to stand forward as the accuser of any portion of
our feletw-men. If we reflect upon the uature of the world in
which we dwell, and have suede even a small progress in the
science of self-knowledge, we shall be slow in bringing any
charges.against private individuals. But when those who have
laid themselVes open to accusations of a most fearful nature—
accusations based on the most incontrovertible evidence—hap.
pen RI be a 'body of men, and that a burly of ecclesiastics presid-
ing over the-.moral and spiritual destinies of a large portion of
uur fellow-subjects, that silence which, in like case of individual
delinquency, might be commendable, becomes criminal apathy.
It may be laid down as a moral truism, that the ministets of
'any religion exercise great influence either ior good or evil over
the populalion to whom they-minister: The Irish priests are
familiarized with the habits, the prejudices, and the peculiarities
of character -.belonging to the people over whom they watch.
Through the- medium of auricular confession they enjoy access
to,their secret thoughts and feelings. In their public and even
in their private ministrations of religion they assume the charac-
ter or intercessors between the Deity and their !Locke, and by
the absolutions which they grant, and by the supposed miracle
of transubstantiation which they are believed to perform, they
are raised iu popular estimation above the level of ordinary
humauity—a delusion that I need scarcely say they are neither.
anxious to dissipate, nor slow to improve. Again, the studies of
the ecclesiastic must necessarily have a considerable influence'
in moulding the powers of his own mind, in shaping and modi,
fying thu instructions which he imparts to his people, and ate
likely, in a greater or less degree, to show themselves embodied
in the practical doings of his congregation. Let the clergy be
savinglY and strongly imbued with the knowledge of that vo-
lume which is " able to make him unto salvation through faith,
which is in Christ Jesus"—they will be workmen that need
not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth—they will
be "men of God, though roughly furnished unto all good
irk " Again, let the study if the ecclesiastic be of a vain and

that in the very letter where he calls you--" beloved fellow works. Again, ... .a studies 01 .de t 0.....
christians !"—(Cheering.) Be says, "consider how far these frivolous character, the natural levity of his own character will
differences justified your forefathers in separating fi on] the pa- be augmented, the ministiationa will prove meagre and ineffi-
rent etoek, and haw far they are suffiCient to justify You in con- dent, and " the hungry flock will look-up" in vain for the ein-
tieming still that fatal eepaiation." Mark, it is a fatal 'separa- care milk of the word that they, may grow thereby. (Cheers.)
lion, while he yet addresses you—" as beloved fellow chrietians." l'ui thee, should a system of theology be recommended to an
Notwithstanding von must perish if you do not submit to the ecclesiastic by an authority which he is in the habit of rever-
church of Rome. "The last effort which Dr. Murray makes to encing; should that system of theology contain principles most
anti-chtistian,and anti-social; and should those principles be
blind the protestants of the empire on this iinnortant subject is
derived, I regret to say, from another appeal' to the oaths of based upon a tribunal whose decrees and definitions he has
the. bishops. •He quotes the oath which the. Roman catholic sworn undoubtedly to profess and receive, then I say that we
bishops signed and published ire. 1826, in which we find the fol. sire justified in, concluding that some of those anti-christian
lowing passage e—'• The cettiolicee •of Ireland not only do not Princ will find their way into hi` public ministrations, and,Pies '
believe, but thee declare upon oath that they detest as unchris- the- seetfe.thifs sown will spring up into an abundantsharvest.
than and impious the belief-that it. is lawful to murder or destroy (Cheers.) n Men do not gather grapes Of thorns, nor figs of
any person or persons. whiitsoever for or under the pretence of thistles." Whatsoever n minister soweth, that shall he also
their being heretics, anal also the principle that no faith is to be receiye. (Hear.) New, ify our common sense admits the truth
kept with heretics." Now, when this is brought before ue on
of the positions I have laid down; it it be the fact that the studies
'
such a solemn occasion it is necessary for us to investigate the of an ecclesiastic 'hes a powerful influence on his own mind—if
it is true that those studies will tell .upon his people, and if,
credit that is to Le attached to it ; this oath was signed by all
the hishops of Ireland, by those four individuals who have made moreover, a discovery be made that for scars a volume of
_pro-
`teaseddivinity has been a standard of theolegy with the Irish
Dene' Theology the istandatd of conference for their. diocese.
Let me now call your attention to sonic part of the doctrines of. priests, inculcating principles inimical to the full prerogatives
.laths as contained in this standard of their faith. In the fourth of the civil power, and setting up an • ecclesiastical usurpation
erolume, page 214, we find a list of the various modes iu which over the conscieuces, the rights, the liberties, and the lives of
the obligation of a promissory oath ceases. They are as ful- men—are we nst furnished with a solution, at least in part, for
low :—First, by rendering it null and void; secondly, by die. the moral debasement of Ireland, end for the wretehedoeSs
pensation and relaxation; thirdly, by commutation; fourthly, which that debasement has generated. Little need be added to
by a change or withdrawing of the matter; fifthly, the total end the weight of. evidence which has been presented to your cousi-
completely ceasing;, sixthly, by reason of the condition not deration. Permit we to say a few words. Mr. :Nl`Ghee has
being fulfilled ; seventlily, the principal obligation ceasing, our called your attention to a resolution of the Ituinish bishops,
oath purely accessary ceases; eiglithly, by nett acceptation, and passed the 11th September, 1808. My friend and others have
forgiving,- or remission ; ninthly, if the oath begins to verge to been called upon to produce that resolution. The demand is
aineee unfavourable issue, (in deterioruin minim) or to the most absurd. Is Mr. 11I•Ghee the keeper of the minutes of the
prejudice of the public good, or event of any particular indict- Bornish hishoos in Ireland? Bear in mind. the resolution was
dual; • finally, the obligation of an oath ceases when it is directly published.in Mr. Coyne's Catalogue. in 1832, and was before
obstructive of a greater good. Now, since one of these mne- the eye of Dr. Murray and the lloinish bishops between three
rout modes of annihilating the obligation of an oath iv dispels. and four sears, and its truth was never denied, until the Church
sation, we must enquire who has the right of dispensing. In of Rome, in Ireland, was charged with adopting the work of
the next 'page, page '215, the question is asked, " Withwhoni is Dene as n standard of theology. I beg, in the next place, .to
Judged tbeepower ef dispensing with an oath ?" Chiefly in the call your attention to the subject of the conferences. Dr. blur.
pope, but'not withciut a reasonable cause, for he dispenses in ray has denied that he made Dens's Theology a book of confer-
another's right: It is also lodged by ordinary right in the ence. That denial 'has beets disproved by the gentleinan who
bishops, Slot in,the priests, for this dispensation requires the preceded me. -But in what ,persou has r. Murray- made the
peever of the highest jurisdiction." We now consider the niode denial? He denies, it is true, for himself, but where are the
of dispensing with an oath, and in page 216 we find the fellow- f denials of the other bishops-Ir. Keating. Dr. Kinseala, and
in objection eurged against disnsation :—" The obligation. of . Dr. Nolan, (the successor of Dr. Doyle) who, together with
an oath is of natural and diviner ight, therefore it cannot cease Dr. Murray made Dens a book of conference fat their respec-
by dispensation, commutation, or snaking null and void." • tive diocesses ? Mr. Woods has informed us through the me-
A.diurn'of the Freeman's Journal. that Deus's Theology was se-
" We detey the consequence, because by dispensation, Ike,
it: is brought to pass that that which fell under the oath does not lected, as. it presented, unlike other treatises, a complete sys-
fall under the oath by withdrawing, prohibiting, &c., and ;so tem, because the questions followed in consecutive order. I
there is nothing dime contrary to the oath. Besides there is this would ask what .was Mr. Coyne's practical opinion iu the mat-s
condition. implieei 'in' .every oath. " wetting the authority of ry ter?- Did he publish the questions of Dens alone? The ques-
superior," (saluojllos suMricais) Additional light is thrown,on lions might have been comprised in a small compass. Nohe
th subject by referring to a dispensation in another case, yet, publisbea s the 'whole work contained in several volumee—he
is.
ii. page 272, in which we rercerve by what high authority this I Elblishedthe answers, as well asthe questione, contained in Done:
Here alloW me to call your attention to a stetement in the Free-
' power of dispensation site given to the church. It is declared as
man's Journal, dated '27th June.last, and published by'authorityv
hollows.—" Dispeosation is not granted in the obligation of et .
vow or an oath, the YOW Ar the oath remaining; .but the vow' or "The first year no mention was. made of the author whose order
t• was
the oath is taken away or se:tumid by the superiors of the church followed in the directory. The clergy were thus putt ineori•
venience; being obliged to niniage through several.volumes for
in the place of God, pn4 010 10 ohligatien arising from thence t
the questions."—l repent, '• for the questions." Why should
epoutantonelv cows be the removal of the matter. (General
• the clergy have been obliged to rumnge through several volinues
expressions of disettieehere pep. s7sol the nmeting.) Having
seen the power of di spegssoo,),3 it, ng: w remeteye het to enquire for the quesiione ? The questions the had Clearly- in their pee-
what is the j /ISt CIWEe QiiiF*9ol3i ib, Iwo #94 tlyg, vol, ii, vege session, announced in the directories.' Mr. Woods,' the adieu in

3.7)07.i.‘ What is untle7r;itelby a just cause or sufficient reason of , alia7l;e7ijarY to TorTNlurruv, intorms us -iii-Tirstirst letter,
dispensing --
; that one reason why he "honestly7—(taack the .expression
?."..Answer :—Any necessity, utility, or piety, rya-sonatil-i, moving to d'..iense." "What ought th-be fttat.neeel:. i " honestly,'!) gave in crotchets at thellead of the question the
city, utility, irr piety, sufficient ta cause a dispeesation ?" ate. 1 name of-the author froth whose work he had taken them by
saver :—its quatitity,cannot be determined ; hut* is to be ma.. I command, was "to obviate this difficulty." Now I ask, how
rally considered; ttiereircuMstances Of the law, persons, ti,,.„,,, ' could the
;ignorance, of the priests as to the work from which thee
&c., being considered." We have now but one step more tri • questions were taken occasion a (*catty, if the answers given
proceed ; and I solemnly declare I think it is a step that brings in the same baok from which the questions were taken were
us up to the very acme .of human iniquity : and that i, that not considered as worthy of some consideration ? And how
the same erson who has power to grant a dispensation to could this difficulty be obviated by Mr. Woods, when he
p o'hers, has alsapower to grant the same to himself. We find honesdy stated tue name of the author from whom the queNtions
vol. 2, p. 317, the following statement: " lie who ean disprise in were taken, 'if the work of Dens had no reference to the
his own law, or in another man's taw, with his subjects can also in answers? Another reason why Mr. Woods made known the
the same laws grant a dispensation to himself, because he is a tied name of the author whose work supplied the question, was "to
avoid being taunted with having set down for discussion matter
of the same community, and of no inferior condition to his subject. .
(Expressions of disgust and horror followed this quotation.) '
which he considered useless, light or trifling." The volumes of
'
Now mark the..awful iniquity of this system as applied to an Dens, then it seems, possess some little authority : for the fact
oath. A man in this condition of a creature appeals to his God of the questions for conference being found in his pages, and the
as a witness of his truth, and then on the occasion of what he answers, we suppose, as well would prove that the subjects for
may please to call any utility or piety,
.or just cause, he steps conference were neither " useless, light, nor trifling." I did
intend to refer to some other documentary evidence, but my
out of the condition of the creature and puts himself into the '
place of the Creator, and grants to himself, as the Creator, the Rev. Friend has anticipated me. Mr. IM‘Ghee quoted the Res;.
dispensation of the oath which he took as a creature.' (Great Mr. Ciotty's testimony. It is the postcript to his second parn-
expressions of disgust and immense cheering.) I repeat, that I phlet, addressed to the tower orders of the Roman Catholics in
consider this as the very acme of human iniquity on the
asubject, Ireland. My friend also referred to Mr. Nolan's letter. As
and f hope that Dr. Murray will never dare to quote Roman I happen to possess it, allow me to read the paragraph which
catholic biShop's oath to the protestants of 'the empire again. relates to Dens's Theology. The letter is addressed to the Rev.
(Hear, hear, and cheers,) And now why do we bring these Mr. Maguire.
things forward ? 1 hope in God—and the first thing I hope for " You assert that your religion rests as much upon the autho-
-and, as I stand in the presence of God, the greatest blessing rite of Peter Dens as on the authority of Johanna Soot hcote.
my soul derives from him is, that my dear Roman catholic coun- i (Ciughter.) Pray, when and under what influence did you
;write this. dreadful fabrication? Was it in your hours of
trytnen—my poor misguided friends and countrymen may have
their eyes opened to see that system of iniquity brOught to the solitary reflection, or did you imagine that your assertions
light ;—a system that dare not stand the blaze of day, can never would pass unheeded? Pray, sir, let me ask you is not Den's
stand before that God who "sets our misdeeds before Him, and Theology one of the reference books of the Maynooth College,
our secret sins in the light of His- cohntenance." And ',trust where you awl I have studied, though not as contemporaries?
in God that they will be led to see that the men' who pretehd to Is not that book left in the public library for the perusal*of all
infallible authority and infallible power, but dare not stand for- the students ? Again, have you ever heard of its prohibition'?
Have you. not often made its contents your answers for elect?
ward to justify. their assumption—that they cannot be teachers
-- •- •- - • - - And with all these questions which must be answered in the
...

affirmative, will you %fill assert " that your religion no 'mete
rests upon the authority of Peter Dens, than upon the autho-
rity of Johanna South Cote ?" There are four things remark-
able with regard to Den's Theology. First, that though
it be not a class-book in Maynooth, still it is there as
a book of reference. Seeond, that it has been publicly exoosed
in the library, and that its perusal has never been prohibited:.
Thirdly, that many students in Maynooth had copies of it in my
time fur their own use, and were never prevented from reading
it; and, fourthly,, that when I officiated as a Roman catholic'
clergymen; -many of .the priests' conferences in. Ireland were
regulated by questions and atesweas from Den's ThOlogy'.
To these circumstances may be added the fact that Deus' opi-
nions are as ranch respected in Maynooth, as Blackstone's. Co-
mmentaries in the protestant Universities of England. You will
pereeive that>the statement made b.) Mr. Nolan is not irreeon-
cileable with Mr. Woods' communication on the subject.. Mr.
Woods acquaints his readers.that, in 1809, Dens' Theology was
titmnitie.4+dr rejected,. sebeis,,propozed as a class-book for May-
pooch. Mr. Nolan informs us that the students were nol7prc-
vented from examining the contents of Den's Theology, and
that it Was used by many inmates of that establishment. Dens
might have been made use of by the students, though not ad-
mitted as a class-book. In the latter character it might have
been- subjected to the examination of the visitors; and, conse-
coently, as you have clearly heard, might have come beffive the
public—a circumstance which might have been attended with
awkward results. Indeed, singular secrecy was observed in, the
manner in which Dens' rheology was circulated. It is usual,
when new publications are edited, that the fact should be an-
nounced in the newspapers of the day. Mr. Coyne is a shrewd,
sensible man. If, as Dr. Murray asserts, the republication of
Dens was undertaken by Mr. Coyoe, "as a speculation in
trade," it is striking that, knowing as he must have done, that
nut a few protestant gent'emen would be glad to possess the work,
he did not announce in the journals its republication ! In
short, I shall not attempt to insult your understandings by
endeavouring to strengthen the body of incontrovertible evi-
dence which has been submitted to you; but shall proceed to
lay before you some passages in the work of Dens itself. Before,
however, 1 do so, allow me to say that I entertain little doubt
but that the volumes under consideration will be found to throw
light upon the past, present, and future doings of Rome's faith-
fu children. The Bishop of Exeter, in his place in the House
of Lords, stated in a speech made on the 16th of July last, re-
ported by the public pre-s, that "He would read a short extract
from a most authentic book, the Roman catechism, sent forth
by the authority of the council of Trent, and which the Roman
catholic prelates, when examined before the committees of par-
liament, in 1825, admitted to be a decisive authority, from which
no Roman catholic could appeal. ' First, the faithful must be
taught how great the nobility and excellency of this sacrament is;
for, seeing the bishops are, as it were, the interpreters and am-
bassadors of God, who, in God's name, teach men the divine
law, and the rules, and personate God himself on earth, they
are worthily called, not only angels, but gods also, because
they hold the power and the name of the immortal God amongst
'us. " These were the words of a most authoritative work, dis-
closed to be so by Dr. hurray and all the Roman catholic prelates,
and they were not mere muds, but they were acted on every day.
For a proof of this he would refer their lordships to a matter of
public notoriety. In an inquiry which was carried on in another
place, a Roman catholic clergyman declared, (and his honest
avowal was hououreble to him,) that " In the confessional, he
was, as it were. God." Does the theology of Dens sustain the
avowal of the Rornish priest ? 1 turn to Vol. VI., p. 2187, in
which the following ques ion is proposed :—" What is the seal
of sacramental confession ?" The answer to which query is,
" It is the obligation or debt of, concealing those things which
are known from sacramental confession." Iu page:2l9 the
following questions and answers occur:—" Can a case be stated
in which it is lawful to break the sacramental seal? It cannot
be stated; although the life. or safety of a man, or even the ruin
of the state should depend upon it; nor can the supreme pontiff
dispense in it; so that on that account this secret of the seal is
more binding than the obligation of an oath, a vow, a natural
secret, &c., and that for the positive will of God.—What, there-
fore, ought a confessor to answer, being interrogated concerning
truth which he has known through sacramental confession alone ?
11.—He ought to answer that he. oes nut know it, and, if neces-
sary, to confirm the same byain.oath (! !!) Obj. It is iii no
case la/ful to tell a faisehmid; but'the confessor would tell a
falsehood, because ho knows the truil • therefore, &c.? R.—l
deny the minor, (that is, that the confessor would lie,) because
spell cenfessor is. interrogated.as es man. and-replies as a ;
.but now he due& uet.koew that treats as stamp, theugleise kunst%
it as Go.l, ssys St. Thomas, q. It, art. 1, ad. 3. And that sense
is naturally inherent in the reply, for when he is interrogated or
replies, out of confession, (extra confessionem,) he his consider-
ed as a man: What, if it be directly inquired of the confessor
whether he knows that by sacramental confession ?-11.. In this
case he ought to answer nothing; so think Heyaert and Syloius;
but the interrogation is to be rejected as iinoious;. or he can
even say absolutely, not in relation to the question ; I know
nothing, because the word I restricts to knowledge acquired by
hint as a man, (hunianam scientiam.) lii like Dimmer, if a
confessor be cited in judgment, that ho msy give a reason for
having refused al-solution, he ought to make a protestation
that, in this matter, he does not acknowledge a superior, but
God. Anionic t. 4, de Porn. cap. 4,9, 6, p. 406." From this
lass:nee it is obvious that a most exteusive cous iracyl against

the state may be ou the eve of breaking out; the knowledge of
the conspiracy, while in embryo, may reach the ears otethe con-
fessor, yet. sfiuuld he be acquainted witty it ouly through the
confessional, he is most strictly bound to withhold it front the
civilfauthorities of the country You will also observe that the
knowledge of the priest is twofold, human and divine. " Hu-
man" knowledge acquired out of the confessional—" divine,"
that acquired within it. We cannot enter the prison-house of
the confessional; but allow me to touch briefly on the fearful
obscenity developed in the pages of Dens. The instructions
therein supplied to the conTessor treat of subjects, as tire index
informs us, which I shall not name. I shall ask two questions.
How can husbands allow their wives to enter the confession
box ? (A general feeling of disgust here appeared to pervade
the meeting.) How can a loving lather permit his blooming
and adult daughter to be subjected to the ordeal of confession ?
I.can only account fur the fact by recollecting the early period
of life (ten vears of age) at which' children of both sexes attend
the confesslocul Their minds thus heroine gradually familiar-
ized with subjects, the mention of which would instantly excite
feelings of abhorrence in the genuine professor of protestantism.
It is a truth which cannot be denied that the lower orders in
Ireland, Homanists, possess but little respect fur the laws of
their British empire, or their administrators. Dues Deus throw
any light upon this matter ? In 3d vol., p. 410, we read:—" The
acts of a judge are invalid, on account of the defect of lawful
authority; but this defect occurs in a twofold manner, namely,
absolutely and relatively; absolutely, when he has never had
jurisdiction, or has fallen front it ; for example, if the judge be
an excommunicated, person not tolerated; relatively, when the
persons or causes to be tried are not subject to his jurisdiction."
In the preceding we are told that there is an absolute defect of
lawful authority in the acts of an excommunieated judge. This
is tantamount to saying that the acts of protestant judges are
invalid. For all heretics (prutestants) are ipso facto excom-
municated. Such being the doctrine taught in a standard of
theology used by the Itomish ecclesiastics in Ireland; can sub-
Mission to the laws on the part of the people, administered as
they are universally by heretic judges, be reasonably expected ?
-- that the ale

"But, adds Dens, "observe, however, ,oat tne acts of a judge
having the Unitas coloratus, the coloured title, with the common
error of the people, are valid." Dens refers to number 106,
which occurs in the 6th vol., p. lei 7. We are there furnished
with explanations of the Maus colorants, and of the common
error of the people. "What is understood by the titistes colons-
ins? The institution or delegation of an office with cure, ap-
parently acquired according to the laws. In the second place,
the commissien of delegated jurisdiction conferred by one hay-
ing ordinary jurisdiction, although invalidly on account of some
unknown defect, is supposed to be comprehended under the
titulifs colorants. It is said to be an error, common ur of the
community, by which a priest is supposed to hold an office
With cure or jurisdiction.". I shall here remark that
our judicial functionaries may possess the " tita/u.s co-
lorants," but it is questioned whether their authority is
supported by the common error of , the people. In Ire-
land the papal ecclesiastics have lately attemptel to raise
themselves above the civil power. The case I allude to is this—
the Rev. Mr. Prendergast, who, in consequence of the state to
which the gaol of the county of Waterford was reduced, was
dismissed by the grand jury of the county, and the 'priest of
the parish in which the gaol is situated, appointed in his room.
This exercise of legitimate authority, on the part of the . grand
jury, gave umbrage to Dr. Abraham, the titular bishop of the
diocese. That prelate accordingly addressed a letter to the
foreman of the county grand jury, on which there were several
highly respectable gentlemen, members of the church of Rome,
and which letter I shall now, with your permission, read.
(Cheers.) "Cionmel, July 28, 1835."
"Sir,—l never was more astonished than on receiving a
docuineut—purporting to be a decree of the county of Water-
ford grand jury passed at the late assizea—a decree as sloVenly
iu its verbiage as it was arrogant in its conception. This cell-
duct might well become the mild meridian of Elizabeth's reign,
but certainly ill accords with the vaunted liberality of modern
jurists. What! a box of laymen to usurp the patronage of a
catholic bishop; I can scarcely believe it. But, to guard
against the possibility of any infringement on my rights, I now
tell you. as foreman of that said grand jury, that no other priest
but the Rev. Mr. Prendergast shalt date otticiate as chaplain of
the county gaol, and this you may publish from the highest to
the kiwest places. What right had the grand jury to dispose of
ins subjects in the fullness of their wisdom, and this without
ii single appeal to the proper authority ? The world shall see
by the result of this very affair, not only the usurping uropen-
sity of that said juri, but its impotence in ecclesiastic
affairs. I mean nothing personal in this address ; but really
I can with difficuly restrain my feelings uu the subject, and in
• such times as these.

"I am, sir,
" Your obedient servant,
"W. AB 11-/). H AM."
This letter you will dOubtless say was wolthv, from the mild
spirit which it breathes, of proceeding from the pen'of an epis-
copal dignitary. ,A circumstance of a like character occurred
some years since in the city of Dublin. The grand jury, in
Easter term, 1814, appointed the. Rev. Mr. Duffy, a lionmu
catholic priest, to be chaplain of Newgate. When Di. Troy,
the Roman catholic bishop, heard of this, he appointed another
iti Mt, Duffy's place. The grand jury deenteil it proper to ap-
peal to the Court, of King's Bench against this proceeding- of
the bishop, when their appointment was confirmed. Having,
however, beeu threatened with excommunication if he presumed
to itet in his situation, Mr. Duffy did not do so, although there

wits no other impediment to prevent him. "Icie:--jousequeuce
was, that, in 1815, the grand jury again complained to the
court, and the result was that, in consequence of Mr. Duffv's
non-performance of big duties, he was dismissed• by the eity
grand jury. What does Dens say on the subjection of c.eelest-
asties to. the laWs of their country? In :al v 01.,: p. .29J, we
read as follows :

"There are two points to he considered in every law : one; that
' the law is a rule of morals. that it points out, directs, anti obliges, and
' these things relate to the decisive force of the law ; another, that the
law imposes or inflicts punishments, anti so far terrifies and compels
—which regards the coactive force of the law."
In p. 292 Dons continues
" Are clerks subject to human laws ? Rather strange questinn.)
" I is heyoud controversy that clerks are subject to eealariosti-
cal laws which concern themselves, as well with regard to their co-ac.
tive as to their directive power.
" Therefore, it is here particularly inquired, whether and how far
they are subject to civil laws?
" 2. Clerks are bound by the civil laws which are not opposed to
the clerical state or to ecclesiastical immunity, As, to their directive
power : thus they are hound to observe the value of money, not to
export grain out of the country, if doing so he prohibited,—to walk
in the evening with a light, if such be commanded by the civil law to
the whole community.
" However," continues Dons, " because, according. to too 10th
chapter Ecelesia, lib. 1, Decret. 2, a layman has no jurisdiction over
the persons of clerks: hence Snares and more Canonists teach that
clerks are truly indirectly bound by those laws, as was observed in the
preceding number, concerning a legislator ; so far forth to wit, as in
a like case apart ought to conform itsell to the whole community, and
because the canons enjoin that clerks should observe laws of this
nature.
' "3. Rut if the civil laws are opposed to the immunity of clerks,
or if they relate to a matter in which clerks are exempt from secular
power, clerks are bound by such laws neither as to their directive nor
co-active force. The reason is, that clerks in such matters are in no-
wise subject to secular power; thus a clerk is not bound to keep
.watelies, to military services, Scc."
Dens then defers, on the subject:ofecclesiastical immunity. to
number 196 et sequentibus, 4th vol., p. 2.39
Chapter —, No. 196, is headed " Concerning ecclesiastical
immunity." It proceeds thus :
" What is ecclesiastical immunity 1
1 is the privilege or exemption of ecclesiastical persons,
things, and places from the power of laymen.
2. Hence, ecclesiastical humanity is.divided into " personal, real,
and local:" concerning local immunity we treat below, No. 198.
What privileges does personal immunity comprise?
3. It contains the privilege of the canon—" Si quis suadento
diaholo. Cans. 0 q. 4."
(For an explanation of the privilege of the canon, upon turn-
ing to 6th vol. p. 315, we read—
N.). 227. The chapter is headed—" Concerning striking a
clerk."
" Another case reserved for the chef pontiff h Innocent LH. In
council. Lateran c. 15. is read in the decree of Pratiad,Caus. F. 9. 4.
Can. 29.
" If any one at the instipition' of the devil ,should incur the'gui.lt of
this sacrilege; that he should lay violent hands upon a clerk& u monk,
let him he subject to the chain of anathema ; and let no bishop presume to
absolre him (except the peril of death be imminent, 4.c.)
"This is called the privilege of the canon."
Turning back to 4th vol. p. 239 we read, of personal immu-
snity—
It comprises the privilege of court, hy, which, far example, a
clerk is exempted from seenbar jurisdiction, power, and juidat• ; but in
a ' feudal' (feudal[ qu. copyhOld) and real action; in the present,day,
he is compelled to answer in presence of a secular judge.
"3. It comprises exemption from personal burdens—for example,
of hoarding soldiers, of keeping watches, &c.
" 4. Real immunity is that lay which the farms, lands, or houses, So.,
of ecclestnsties are exempted from burdens or taxes, imposed by lay-
men—for example, from the payment of the twentieth penny, &a.
"5. Both these immunities, sedulously observed with due piety in
former times, in the present day are almost extinguished, fur eighty
years since, ecclesiastical lands were exempt from payment of. the
twentieth penny and of the royal taxes; but even at this present time,
with respect to the clergy of the Metropolitan Church if M alines, im-
munity, in some dearee ;albino), is still oliserved " What Dens acids
is well worth consideration:--" But nt,rhaps the more on that account,
that the clerk vindicates for himself that due immunity from a bur-
densome title," (Willed.
There is one subject to which I hog to call your particular at-
tention. In the second cnuterence for the year 1832, the con-
ference in which the questions relating to the persecution of
heretics occur, the question is found: " Is the reading of sorted
scripture necessary and commanded to alt." This question
occurs in Dens 2d vol. p. 101.. The first. answer to the quest ion
is, that the reading of sacred scripture is "neither necessary
nor commanded to all, is evident from the practice and doctrine
of the universal church: wherefore, in the Buil 'Unigenitus,'
the proposition 79, concerning this matter, is condemned. It is
useful and necessary in all times and places for all descriptions
of persons both to study and know the spirit, piety, and mys-
teries of sacred scripture :" to this add propositions 80, SI, 82,
83, 84 and 85, condemned with same hell. I shall not occupy
your time by reading the other propositions condemned. Now
the bull " Unigenitus" is contained in the vrit vol. published, as
Mr. Wood states, with Dr. Murray's sanction, and further was.
declared by Dr. Murray, in his examination before a committee.
of the House of Commons, to have been received in Ireland.
The church of Rome would tell you that she tines not prohibit
the free circulation of the scriptdres.—but in Dens we are dis-
tinctly informed that the church of Rome does not enjoin the
reading of the scriptures upon all. Cans I would ask, a system
which is opposed to the perusal of the scriptures by all, have
emanated from that God who created the human mind? Com-
mon sense tells you, that no fellow creature is authorized to
come between you and revelation, and that man is entitled to
read the sacred records. Can such a system have proceeded
from the God of the Bible? Deity says, addressing the inhabi-
tants of the earth, " Seek ye out of die book of the law of the
Lord and reed."—" Search the scriptures, for they are they
which testify of me." Another question immediately folloWing
in the roufereuce that already noticed, is—ls the reading of sa-
cred scripture lawful for all? Dens answers—" In the first
place, the church does not prohibit by any, decree, not even
indeed to laymen, the reading of sacred scripture, in the He 7
brew, Greek, or Latin tongue. However, by the law of nature
it is to be abstained from, if that readily., should be liable
to perversion through defect of fitness, or diposition of
mind, as was the case with those of whom St. Teeter
treats in his second epistle, chapter 3, v. 16, which the un-
learned and the unstable wrest to their own destruction.'"
As this is a passage often quoted by the opponents of the indis-
criminate circulation of the scriptures, allow toe to make some
remarks upon it. Su far is the passage from upholding the
position which it is so frequently brought forward to maintain,
that I claim it as supporting the right of all to peruse the scrip-
tures. Look at the passage. The word translated " uulearni'd"
is a compound adjective of the word rendered disviple n-
diseipled, untaught in scripture truth, appears sela.ir rendering.
The word translated " wrest " is to torture, to, put to the rack.
to wrest from the natural, meaning; and imphee, an ingenuity of
mind vs h it+ the unlearned;sin the gesseiret e eee.ptatson. of the
word, do notepossess. Accordingly we find that the fathers 'of
the great heresies which have prevailed 'were not ignorant hut
learned persons. So that if perversion of the scriptures sup-
plied a just reason why they should be withheld from any—they
should be withdrawn from the' learned, for such have 'made a
bad use of them: To use an illustration—" The profligate per-
vert their health to their own destruction." To pervert health
they must have possessed it. Certain persons, of whines Peter
speaks, misused the scriptures. To have misused them they
must have had access to them. Does Peter direct that such
should be prevented from reading the scriptures ? By no,
means. The address of his 2d Epistle is to "all that have ob-
tained like precious faith with us." He founds a caution upon
a statement which he had made. " Bewero lest ye also he led
away from your own steadfastness," (in reference to the unsta-
ble,) "by the error of the wicked. But grow in peace and in
the knowledge of our Lord and Savinur Jesus Christ." (in re-
ference to the unlearced.) Dens continues:—" In the second
place, the church does not absolutely prohibit, to laymen or to
men of any fauk, the reading of sacred scripture in the vulgar
tongue; but she does not ALLOW (!) it, except with great cau-
tions." Dens quotes as authority for the position which, he has
laid down, the 4th rule of the index; and remarks upon it,
"Observe, that according to said rule, the power of granting
Pet mission to read sacred scripture in the vulgar tongue is
lodged with the bishop or' inquisitor, not with the parish-priest or
the confessors, except this power has been granted to them-
selves." So that the parish priests and confessors are trot
authorised to grant to their respective subjects permission to
read the Bible, unless they have previously received license to
read the Bib* for themselves ! ! As the authority of the rules
of the index is sometimes doubted, permit me to call your at-
tention to some proofs, that they are of standing force .eo the
church of Rome. In the year 1561, the year in which the
standard creed of the church of Rome was put forward by the
authority of the popedom, Pius IV. published a 1)611, bearing
date 24th March; 1564, expressly to confirm the rules and
index. The beading of the' bull is, " Bull of our most
holy lord Pius IV., by Divine Providence, Pope. Appro-
bation of the index of prohibited books, together with the
rules established by the fathers deputed from the council of
Trent, and the prohibition of possessing and reading said
books." Pope Leo XII. in his encyclical letter, dated 3d
May, 1824, speaks of the rules as "the rules of our congregation
of the index," and exhorts the faithful " strictly (adaiiiiission)
to adhere to thetn.:"f he Ithemists, in the preface to their New
Testament, speak of this fourth rule as authority, and lament
that due respect in the present day is not paid to it. I beg to.
add a single fact. I have myself seen the index and rules
printed at Rome, under papal. authority, bearing so recent a
date as that of the year 1819. It is entitled " The Index of
Prohibited Books, by
.order of our Most Holy Lord Pius VII.,
Supreme Poutiff. Rome, 1819. Front the Apostolical Print-
ing-office, with the privilege of the Chief Pontiff." (Hear.)
Prefixed are the "decent regula ;" and in the appendix'are sub-
joined the several indices from the veer 1819 to 1828. by Pius
yil. and Leo XII. If, therefore, the Church of Rothe possessed
ascendancy in these countries, it is evident she would lay an in-
terdict upon the free use of the bible. Three meetings, under
the divine blessing, will be productive of much good. They
will tend to remove delnsious under which some statesmen, and
meredeinporal philanthropists, labour, with respect to the true
nature of the religion cf Houle. They will puace before the
Christiar 'nun the genuine character of the theology which is
dispene' d to dembers of the papal connexion in Ireland, and
excite his commiseration on behalf of the spiritual interests of the
sister island. They will demonstrate, to the orthodox dissenter,.
the real features of that system with which, fur thentfainutent of
particular, objects, he has been led to form a most anomalous.
coalition. And here I would remind him of the observation of
a truly able writer :—The aid which we receive' in argument
from parties between
.whom and ourselves there is the most en-
tire discordance on fits[ principles, may well be suspected, if not
wholly rejected; and 1 tell him, that let the objects which he
contemplates he but accomplished. and the monster whnen ho
now embraces will crush his unsuspecting victim to destruction.
The diffusion, ton, of knowledge of Rome's genuine faith will
check its encroaching advances in England. Believe me, the
religion against which we protest is a most watchful foe. eager
to usurp domination over the human race; audit' we would con-
tinue to enjoy the blessings which are now possessed be us, we
Anust sedulously guard against the encroachments of the Roman
I power. I shall conclude in the language of Wordsworth
The sacred books,
• In dusty sequestration wrapt too long,
Assumed the accents of our native tongue ;
And he who guides the plough or wields the crook,
With understanding spirit now may look •
Upon its recoils. listen to its sung,
And sift its laws."
May we duly estimate and turn to practical account the privi-
leges which we possess. Mr. Pope concluded by seconding the
resolution proposed by Mr. M'Ghee.
The Rev. Dr. RA Lein in moving the second resolution.
shortly addressed the meeting. The rev. gentleman concluded
by observing that he hoped each inkividual present would exert
himself to the utmost to promote the general diffusion of pro-
testaut principles. (Cheers.)
The CHAIR AN then put the resolution to the meeting, which
was unanimously carried amidst loud cheers.
The Rev. Mre Bunnicoms then rose and said that at that
late hour he could not think of trespassing long upon the atten-
tion of the meeting. lie, however, could not refrain from
stating that he felt much pleasure in concurring with the reso-
lution, and be might safely appeal to his Christian friend, who
had heard what had passed at the meeting for their cordial ap-
erne.: of it. lie must impress upon their minds that it was not
sufficient for the resolution to pass, but it was incumbent upon
them individually and collectively to see it was actively and
•firnilv carried into egret. (Cheers.) It was well stated by
Bishop Barrington. and afterwards by Mr. Horne, iu his Com-
menturies nn the Principles of the Reformation, that if the re-
formation was worth establishing...it was worth maintaining, and
he should be sorry for the head and heal t of any p otson who had
heard the powerftillv sonvint ing and aigurnentative addresses of
the reverend gentlemen who had preceded him, if they tlid not
leave that place determined to uphold in every possible wily the
principles of the reformation, and the idessiegs they enjoyed from
the church establishment. (Cheers.) They could not salt that
those principles were in a state of security from the guile of

FRIDAr HORNING, OCTOBER 30, 1835.

We have received Jamaica papers to the 20th Septem-
ber. Complaints of arbitrary and invidious proceedings
on the part of the Governor have not relaxed since our
last advises; otherwise these files do not contain any news
of interest.

It will be perceived that we have, at considerable sa-
crifice, devoted the whole of our available space to the
proceedings of the Protestant Meeting held yesterday, at
the Amphitheatre. It was by far the most numerously
attended rneeting'that ever assembled in any building in
Liverpool. Lord KENToN presided over a similar assem-
blage last year; but, as the arrangements Were then dif-
ferent, fewer persons were accommodated. On this oc-
casion seats were placed over the whole area of the stage
and side wings, so that upwards of bix hundred ladies and
gentlemen were accommodated for whom no place wits
provided in November last. •

• A more animating sight has seldom bicen witnessed.
There could not have been less than five thousand persans
present. - The house was crowded in every part to.the
ceiling; every passage, every corner, evert distant re-
cess;where only standing room, coulli.7be,olstained, was
filled. Here we saw before us thhi ',vast multitude of
anxious and deeply interested spectators, composed of the
most intelligent and influential of our population, attract-
ed by a serious sense of duty, and under the impressions
of religious awe, to sympathise vvith their Protestant
brethren in Ireland, and hear the charges which the
champions of the Irish Church had to bring against the
soul-destroying superstitions of popery, and the cruel
persecutions of the popish priests in that unhappy coun-
try. And this we will say, that if ,our countrymen and
countrywomen have been in a state of darkness as to the
character of popery in Ireland, as we believe they have
been—if to them were unknown the frauds practised on an
ignorant people—the extowtions practised on a poor and
misguided people—if, we say, they have been in igno-
rance hitherto on these important matters, surely they
have no p*a now, for ft is impossible for any person who
listened to the eloquent, argumentative, and convincing
appeals of the Rev. ROBERT JAMES M'GHEE and the Rev.
RICHARD Pop E--appeals addressed to their reason, and
sustained by clear and incontestible facts—to remain one
single moment in doubt or in a state of indifference, with
respect to the abominable, idolatrous, and sanguinary te-
nets of popery in Ireland.
The crimes of ages were laid hare to•the very marrow
—to the first moving principle of evil. The infallible
authority of the papacy to do wrong with impunity—to
degrade and pollute the human min&—to influence the
judgment, coerce the body, and damn the soul—all this
power of iniquity—all this tortuous syitem of perfidy,
falsehood, and imposition—was.' placed In such a light,
and brought home to the conviction of even the meanest
understanding, that none who were present could have
resisted the awful truths which were conveyed. The
scoffer may have been there--4he self-sufficient liberal
.may have been there—and the witting of some deistical
club, calling himself a philosopher, may have been there;
but certain we are they must have sunk within themselves
before the irresistible force of the truths promulgated,
and the frauds detected, and . held up to scorn and abhor-
rence by the reverend gentlemen in whom we have al-
luded.

We have neither time nor space to dwell upon the dis-
junctive merits of the several speakers, and if we had, no
language of ours could do justice to them. Our readers
must do that, if it be possible, for theinselves. ..We have
provided as ample and as accurate a report as our re-
sources would permit. We hive only to say, that the ,
protestant inhabitarits of LiverpOOl are under inexpressi-
b:e and invaluable obligations to Mr. M'GLIEE and Mr.
.Fora for their services on this important occasion ; and
if they should, thus instructed, contribute their aid in
extricating the protestants of Ireland from the Reign of
- Terror with which popery threatens .them, and the per-
secution they have so long "endured,lhey will only cow-
.pensate in a poor way for the beneficial instructions they
have received from these reverend gentlemen. May
every blessing and happiness attend diem ! May they
long remain to be the lights and ornaments of the sistei
church ! May their candle, lit at the flame of the mar-
tyrs, burn brighter and brighter, until the darkness which
pervades Ireland is.wholly dissipated by the light from
heaven ! When they
_return to their, would we could
say, happy homes—to their, would we could say, happy
hearths—may they be enabled to console their friends,
and those who mourn, by assuring them that they have
millions of hearts in England who deeply and sincerely
sympathise with them, and who ate ready, like them-
selves, when the time comes, to die in the last trench in
defence of the noble institutions, and the pure faith, and
the unadulterated word of Goa, handed down to us by
I our ancestors. - •

A FELINE Ai.t.noortyr—MiCatis treacherous, so is a whig;
a cat is spiteful, so is a whiff; cats are cruel and tyrannical to
creatures iu their power, so are wh4is. The profession of a cat
is to detect and persecute small plunderers; Wunder this pro-
fession a cat is commonly a very great and
.greedy thief herself.
Now, this is precisely whig, both in profession and practice. A
cat is a dirty creature, and very nasty in her habits; Whigs can
be easily traced by their unsavory practices in Bedford, Hun-
tingdon, &c. &c. Finally, the only kr_own attachment of a cat
is—toplace.—Standaret.