The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1833-05-07 00:00:00

THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD.

Did the child keep the money ?—He gave it to me.
Did they give any thing to the child on the morning ?—No.
You saw them on the morning, I think you said? —Y es.
What did they say to you then ?—They asked where my
husband was.
Was your husband at home ?—He was at work.
Did they leave any more money then ?—No.
Nor at any other time P—No
Have you seen the gentlemen since that time ?—Not to my
recollection.
Do you know the gentlemen by sight?—No.
Were they tall or short ?—The one was rather short, the
other was rather taller. •
Was he dark or light ?—Dark.
Which was dark ?—The short one.

Did they wear any colours ?—scarlet.
Did you notice any colours on the night you spoke of ?
Yes, scarlet.
Were they scarlet on the next day ?—Yes.
Were they the same gentleman, on the next day ?—I think
they were.
'hich of those gentlemen was it that gave the half sovereign
to the child ?—The taller gentleman of the two.
Which of them was it that gave you the money in the brown
paper ?—The shorter one.
Cross-examined by Mr. Rogers.
You say when they called the first night, you said your hus-
band meant to vote for Mr. Ewart, and Mr. Thornely, if he
had a vote to give ?—lf he had a vote to give, it was for Mr.
Ewart and Mr. Thornley.
Did not you know that he had no vote to give ?—I did not ex-
actly know.
Did you not know that your husband was not a freeman ?
No!
Do' you mean to state that ?-1-es !
Have you any family ?—Yes.
Any sons any.

Do.'not you know that the sons of freemen are entitled to
their freedom in Liverpool?—Yes.
How longthave you been married ?-22 years.
Do you mean to state, that you actually did not know at that
time, whether your husband was a freeman or not 7—No I did
not! ! !
Had he once voted?—Not that I know of.
At elections for mayors, or at elections for members ?—I
never heard of it.

Did not you know that your husband was not a freeman?—
' did not! !
You say that they, produced a piece of brown paper, was it
dark ?—lt was by candle light.
How far were they standing from you ?—Not more than half
a yard.
Where was the gentleman holding this piece of paper P—He
drew it from his pocket, and delivered it into my hand.
And you opened it ?—I did.
And you took the sovereigns into your hand;—No I did not.
Ilow long did you keep it before you returned it. ?—Not
more than a minute.
At the time that person gave you that piece of paper what
' did he say ?—He told me never mind Mr. Ewart and Mr.
Thornely, but to come with my husband the next morning, to
vote for Lord Sandon.
When you were examined about the evidence you were to
give here, did you tell the gentleman who examined you, that
when the gentlemen gave the money into your hand, they said
that you have now stated ?—Yes.
You say you opened the paper, in what way did .yOu open
it?—l just tore the paper off and I saw the edges of the
money.
What made you do that ?—To see what was in the paper.
Did you intend to take it P—No.
Then how come you to do that ?—To see what was in it.
To see whether it was enough?—No, it was not for that.
You swear that you did not tear off the paper for the purpose
of seeing whether it was aA much as you expected ?—I did not,
indeed.
At what time of the morning was it?—lt was before eight
o'clock.
Was your husband in bed either time the gentlemen came?—
He was in bed the night before.
How came you to tell them that he was not at home?—Be-
cause he was rather tipsey, and I did not wish them to speak to
him.
Is he tipsey this morning P—No.
You have stated that the tall one gave the child half a cove-
reien, ?—He did.
Were you present?—Yes, I was standing by the taller when
he
_gave it him.
That you are sure of?—Yes.
• That was at night P—ln the evening.
Did you return the half-sovereign the next morning ?—No,
it was given to the child. I kept it three weeks before I made
use of it. •
When did you tell your husband of this ?—The next morning.
Did you kfiow either of the gentlemen P—No.
Have you ever seen either of them since?—Not to my recol-
lection.
Did they come into the house in the evening?,—Yes.
Were there any other persons in the house below stairs,
except you and the little boy ?—Only my own children.
Were there many persons collected round the door ?—I can-
not say, indeed. I could not tell whether there were any of
the neighbours.
Did you ever tell your neighbours P—The little boy did.
You do not rellect ever having seen either of those gentlemen
again P—Not to my recollection.
Did you ever make any inquiry about who they were P—No.
Did any body ever tell you their names P—No.
Did you ever inquire amongst the neighbours P—No.
Did your husband tell you afterwards that he had seen any
gentlemen up at the poll ?—Yes, he did.
Have you talked this matter over with him?—No.
Never at all?—No.
You mean to state that vou never have had any talk with
your husband about this ?-1 nevcr hare,
Not up to now p—Not up to this week.
You have talked over it plentifully this week, I suppose ?
Very little. I have given myself very little trouble about it.
Committee.—You have been examined upon this subject be-
fore, have you?—Yes.
By whom?—By Mr. Harvey.
When ?—Last week.
What did you tell him was in this paper ?—I told him there
were five pieces of gold; but I could not tell whether it was
sovereigns or half-sovereigns.
Did you not know the weight of them P—No; I do not get
many of them to tell.
How could you tell that they were not silver ?—I could tell
by the different colours.
So you could not tell whether it was sovereigns or half-
sovereigns, but you could tell whether it was gold or silver?—
Yes, I could.
Were those gentlemen at your house the night before the
first day of the election?—The evening of the first day of the
election, and the next morning before eight o'clock.
The witness withdrew.
Mr. John Billinge was called in, and examined by Mr. Rushton
as follows:
How long have you lived in Liverpool?—A little more than
three years.
Are you iii the employ of Mr. M`Kee P—l am.
What is' he ?—A slater and plasterer.
Does Mr. M'Kee employ many freemen ?—He employs seven
freemen.
Have you Mr. M`Kee's wages book ?—I have.
Do you keep that book ?—I do.
•
Do you pay the wages ?—I do.
Do you enter them in that book ?—I do.
Have you got the pay account of Saturday, the 13th Decem-
ber ?—I have.
•
Was that the Saturday after the election ?—lt was.
Do you find in the book the name of William Berry ?—I do.
Is he a freeman ?—He is. Barry is his real name; but we
have always entered it as Berry.
Is he a plasterer?—He is.
Are there two men of the name of Barry in your establish-
ment?—There are.
Mr. RALPH CLAY was called in and examined by Mr. Hut-
chinson as follows : •
What are you ?—An anchor and chain cable manufacturer.
Do you reside in Stanhope-street, Toxteth=park ?—I do.
Were you one of Lord Sandon's committee in that district ?
I was.
Did you canvass frequently before the election ?—I
Did you canvass in the Park district ?—ln the Park district
only.
Did you go to the house of a person named James Bentley
Rigby on the first night of the election P—No.
Did you go to the house of any other person of the. name of
Rigby on that night P—Not any.
Do you recollect whether you had been at any house of a per-
son of that name at any time previous to that period ?—Never.
Did you offer the wife of a person of the name of Rigby a pa-
per containing Ave
_pieces of gold P—No.
At any time ?-I\lever.
Did you ever give a child in the house of aperson of that name
any sum of money ?--Never.
Did you ever give a man of that name on the second day of
the election two sovereigns and a half to.vote P—Nu.
Or any other sum ?No.
Or at any other time P—No.