The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1835-07-31 00:00:00

GREAT YARMOUTH PETITION COMMITTEE:.

Dr. NICHOL!. wished to know from the hon. and learned
member (Mr. Wason) when he intended to present the petition
which he spoke of nu a former evening? He did not think it
was fair to the committee now sitting to have a petition of this
kind hanging over their heads.
Mr. WasoN said, that if the hon. and learned gentleman had
had the courtesy to give him notice of the question—(cries of
"Oh, oh !)—he woulo have been prepared to answer it. lie bad
understood that an bon. member had come down to that coin-
mittee and inflicted a string of resolutions upon it. The hon.
member was proceeding, when
A Memuer rose to order. The hon. and learned member bad
no right to go into a long statement in answering a question,
and still less to refer to what took place in a committee appointed
by the house before that committee had reported.
Mr. WAsoN said that he would not give an answer to the
question unless he were allowed also to give his reasons for .the
course he was prepared to take.
Mr. C. W. WYNN said it would be only courtesy for the bbn.
member to answer the question one way or the other, but it vies
quite irregular for the hon. and learned member to allude to the
conduct of any member-in the committee.
After an oiloervatiun from Mr. Wason, which did not reach
the reporteie gallery,
Mr. C. W. WYNN said he understood the petition related to
the eundut:t o: the committee.
M. WAsoN replied that the petition did not refer t ► th.: con-
duct of the cointurt:ee, but to Some.resolutions whiph had been
um:reed to in it.

Dr. NICHOLL thought it eteeedingly oaf:Li:4l)ot a...,petition
should be allowed to hang over the heads of a committee ap-
pointed tor a particular purpose, while they were performing the
duty which the house had imposed uu them.
Mr. Wssos repeated his objection to give an answer, unless
lie were at the same time allovied to state his teasons fur the
course he iuteuded to pursue.

- IRELAND.
Lord iklortPETH gave notice, that on Wednesday he would
inure for leave to bring i❑ a bill for the better prevention of
uffence4 against the peace in Ireland.

Ct3L'RCli 011 11ti,.1.AND BILL

The house went iuto cotainittee on this bill, and proceeded as
far.as the 49ili clause, no opposition being offered; but ministers
themselves proposed and carried some aniendments. The only
circumstance worth reporting is the following:—The Irish
Attoruey-Gractal having proposed an amendment in dense 9,
Mr. WeoNNALL exclaimed in a very snipy tone to Mr Per-
rin—".Leave your amendments out—it is an idle mockery to
introduce all these things into the bill." (" hear, hear," from the
Irish members.) The hon. and learned member proceeded to
say, that if the Attorney-Genera fur Ireland's amendinents
were agreed to, it would be a million to one against the reduc-
tion of the amount of composition in any case. At all events,
the time prescribed in'the clause (six weeks) within which the
claims for the revisiun of compositions must be made should be
extended. It should be three mouths at least. Ile concluded
by again expressing his disapprobation of the amendments pro-
posed by the Attorney-General fur Irelaud, and said that the
bill, instead of tranquillizing the people of Ireland, would be
considered an additional insult by them, if the persons seeking
to se-open the tithe compositions should be turned un round
technicalities.

The Chairman reportea progress, and obtained lease t

agaiu to-oma row.
'rile other orders of the day were diaposed of, oud the house
edjoul &led at a quarter put uue o'clock.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—TUEsDA Y.
Sir JaatEis GaAitAm brought up the second, third, and fourth
report Of the select committee on pistol discipline.
Mig4I:CIPAL unIIPOKATIoIss
Petitions. spinet -this toll were presented from Carmarthen
b Lord Etyneetw; float Orauthent by Lord Willoughby de
hrresby ; front Boston and Hereretri by Earl Brosidow ; from '
the may or and aldermen of Grantham, and front 6.&99 freemen
of the city of Ciereutq by the Duke of Cuuiberlaud ; from
Truto by the Earl of ealualutb, who rebutted, iu indignant
ternik the charges a n.l misrepresentation* brought against that
corporation by the conniussioticis in their report : thekr pool. l
tious pray ell to be heard by counsel at the bur of the house;
from •Dafteireith and Iletivitree by the Earl of Devon ; from
Alnwiek by the Duke of Northumberland; troop !twofold by
the Marquis of Saiisnury ; from Lancaster by Lord Skelniers-
dale. and from the motor, Llaiiiffs, «nd cut:menially of the city
of Coventry, playing to be heard by counsel ageibst the bar by
Viscount SIKA:.nt specking of what would be
the operation of the hill in that plat* as respected the freemen,
said that this bed woulri deprive 2.000 young men cf rights the
attainment of which they had anxiously expected. (Hear.)
hadvosuratted the mitigation of apprentices on the faith
of the printese held iiut to diein;fhat, at die expiration of their
term of servitude, their good conduct and their honourable ser-
vice in the humble situation iu which they had been placed
wuuld have earned for them the privileges of freemen. This
bill, however, took from them the right of voting fur members
to serve in parliament for their native city. Its operation
would, therefore, bo to repeal, to a certain extent, the provi-
sions of the reform bill, awl to reduce the number of voters trout
3,600 to something between 1,-/J1 and 1,600. The petitioners
went on to state, that they were themselves ready to prove at
the bar that the evidence on which the report was tounded, and
on which the bill proceeded, it bill which uespoiled them of their
property and their fellow-citizens of their rights, was imperfect,
partial, and inconclusive. He should now move that the peti-
tion be read; and he should afterwards move that its prayer be
complied with.
Lord .littouottass said, if his noble friend would look at the
67th section of the act, it would show hint that the petitioners
were very much mistaken with respect to the operation of one
part or the measure. He wuuid say nothing against their be-
ing heard by counsel; for, in some points of their statement
they appealed to have taken au accurate view of the bill. One
of their complaiuts, however, was, that borough property would
under Ibis bill be coufiscated. He, however, vend very easily
show that they were doing nothing uow whit u the% hiol nut doors
with respect to the Scotch bortmgils two pais azo, and that too
without a division. (" Hear, hear," from Viscount Sirens:lord)
He (Lord Brougham) knee that his noble friend was not sa-
tiAtiAl with that ailusiun. lie. certainly' did nut Ilieeto the oh'
servatitui as an arytarnetititin ati much as he esteemed
• and admired the man. (A laugh) Still, however, he muin-
tented that they Isere called on to du nothing inure in this in-
stance than they bed already done in the case of the Scotch
burghs. Further, he would argue that the part of the bill to
which he was referring involved a principle of preservation, not
of confiscation. Ile wonel say that property was confiscated by
the malversation of that property, (Hear, hear.) This was
the same cart of confiscation which their lordships had agreed
to without a division iu 18:33; it was the same sort of confisca-
tion which they were constantly in the habit of sanctioning,
when,sitting in their judicial capacity, they had to give judg-
ment in cases where one man by frau'd got possessiou Of ano-
ther man's property. It was the &MIS Inkotc,utiscatien to
which his noble friend (Lord Plunkett) was a petty in tic
Irish Court of Chancery—the saute Sort of confiscation which be
sanctioned for flour years, witotitig one day, in the Court cr.
Chancery in England—the same sort of confiscation which his
hon. and' learned friend on the woolsack was frequently a party
to in his court. When he as vice-chancellor found a trustee
who availed himself of his situation to apprupriate fonds to his
own us., which were intended for the oats of another, he, 10
use the phraseology which had been this evening used, vonGs-
cuted it. They called it iu equity restoring the property, hut
the petitioners denominated it contiseatiou. (A laugh.) The
petition stated, "that certain lands, and other property to a
large amount, had been bequeathed by pious individuals for
charitable uses," and, according to the opening-or his noble.]
friend, the bill would take away this property, would confiscate I
it, and apply. itlo'perfectly differeutnstesSruns those fur which
it was intended. But what said the 67th clause?: It, set forth,
" that the trueteesunder the bill shall stand seised and 13chiseesect