The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1843-12-05 00:00:00

TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD

Stn,—At the opening of the Conciliation Hall, Dublin,
Mr. O'Connell did me the especial honour to prefer
against me a triple charge of sedition, sectarianism, and
bigotry, at the alleged instigation of a priest in Manches-
ter. That charge was of so unfounded and calumnious a
nature, yet so pregnant with consequences, that I feel
myself bound to repel the allegation which has stained
with unretracted falsehood the lips of the Irish Dictator.
How, however, logical subtlety could torture a simple
repeal address4o the Catholic into an instrument of se-
dition, or how even his legal acumen could denounce my
placard to be sectarian or bigotted, transcends my powers
of reasoning, and defies the judgment of those who have
seen it, and who know something of the force of language
and the value of written legible words. In that printed
paper, or placard, Mr. O'Connell's quick eye has detected
words which no other eye but his own can see, and which,
as they do not exist, logic enables me to affirm can never
be made visible either to his or any other mortal's vision-
ary powers, however acute and perceptive. To waste
words, therefore, upon that which is not, would be egre-
gious folly ; for, besides that the English Catholic loves
his Queen too well to violate, by preachings of sedition,
the laws of his country, which are guarded by her execu-
tive authority, his intuitive convictions of the madness of
such advice are so keen and vigorous, that he would hunt
from his society the wretch who would be so bold as to

put it into the shape of active thought, even for a single
moment. The charge against him and me is wholly un-
tenable.

As regards the judgment exercised in the propriety of
issuing a Catholic address, there is matter for variety of
opinion : as regards sectarianism or bigotry, there is none.
Mr. O'Connell has himself followed the example, by
moving an address to the Catholic hierarchy, exclusively,
on their rejection of state establishment. On this sub-
ject there is no settled law, hut much matter for opinion
with Catholics, &c., as to its expediency or non-expedi-
ency; but no bigotry is incurred, as it is decided for vo-
luntary or state support. Yet this is a vital question with
society and religion at the present moment.
I have addressed to Mr. O'Connell a subdued but firm
letter on the subject of his attack, but have received for
answer that I am cut out of his books, and my future
letters are to be thrown into the fire, reserving only the
signature. If he received the letter which issued from
my hand, the public will not fail to perceive two things
connected with his conduct, viz., a failure of due forms
of courtesy, and a total disregard for the acknowledged
principles of justice by which men profess to be guided.
If the letter would have confirmed his views in expelling
me from the Association, why, I ask, was it not read in
public? Why was it concealed from every eye, and pri-
vate judgment " without appeal " passed on me by him
whose duty it was to shelter the innocent until declared
to be guilty ? Is this Mr. O'Connell's form of national
justice ?—this his boasted rule of universal liberty of con-
science, which he says I have violated?—this his firm
basis for a most amiable superstructure of concession to
sects and creeds—of conciliation to all shades and shapes
of politico-religious existence? Ah, sir! if such be
O'Connell's plea and argument in favour of national jus-
tice, and against Catholic ascendancy, it deserves to be
weighed down with contumely ; it will and must be over-
ruled by the edicts of law and the principles of common
sense, as a stupendous piece of capricious, distorted, and
illegal mode of legislation.

And is the sincere friend of Ireland to be judged and
condemned—to be drazzed forwards at the information of
any base repeal scoundrel, and be branded with ignominy
at his pleasure? Methinks I see the days of old Venice
revived, when the dungeon received its victim, the judge
passed his sentence, and the Lagune in its waters washed
away all remembrance of him who fell a victim to private
information, dropped into the Lion's mouth which gaped
over the chambers of the Inquisition !
Yes, O'Connell ! your ingratitude and your injustice
are too broadly displayed towards the friend of your
country, to be forgotten by those who swell the cry for
justice, without any other motive than rendering services
to humanity. Methinks I see you stand in the grand
Conciliation Hall, and, with invincible argument, thus
virtually attack the man who has pleaded your cause not
uneloquently, as follows :

" Ir:ishrrien! behold this day the undoubted friend of
Ireland presents you with his manifesto in favour of civil
and religious liberty, through my instrumentality. For
years has he laboured hand and heart in our cause. For
years has he braved the storm of hatred in our behalf,
and gathered in full harvests of indignation from England
for fearlessly advocating Irish justice. Now, fellow-re-
pealers ! behold I doom this friend to expulsion from our
new-raised superstructure for being too righteous and
over-active in that cause. The greater his services, the
more weighty his deserts, the deeper our gratitude ought
to be—the more unfalteringly will I doom him to anguish,
scorn, and detestation. And, because he has risked fame,
friends, and fortune, I decree in my supreme mandate
their irrevocable loss. Irishmen! such shall be the re-
ward of every ' Saxon ' who dares penetrate our ranks in
search of illimitable justice.' We will bind him over to
penal chains, and deliver him into the hands of his ene-
mies. So, hurrah for repeal! Our justice shall extend
over all the world."

Yes, O'Connell! I tell you, in perfect freedom, that
your florid sentences are folly, if the deep meaning of
justice to nations and iddividuals be not hidden amid the
scented roses of repeal which you so profusely shower
upon us. You proclaim, in your conciliatory do,aiments,
the illimitable right of universal conscience; but I tell
you, that it is bounded within the pilla.., of despotic in-
gratitude. I tell you, also, that you play fast and loose
with that which you profess to abhor—Ribbonism ; and
that, while with one hand you avert your eye from its
dark and murderous doctrines, with the other you draw
to your embrace societies which, lording it over towns
and villages, aid you with their funds and influence, and,
at last, will lead you to your final fall. Like a magician
within the charmed circle, you inflame your repealers with
the bright light of patriotism, ascending from the sub-
terranean chambers of fire ; while, in the end, 3 ou will be
consumed by the very mysteries of which you are the
hierophant leader, yet menial servant.

I a►n, sir, yours truly, &c.,
THOMAS RAWLINSON, Jux.
Prescol, Dre. Ist, 1843.

We have now loading in this port six_ vessels for New
York, 3,468 tons ; three for Boston, 1,310 tons ; four for
Charleston, 1,929 tons; three for Mobile, 2,454 tons ;
nine for New Orleans, 6,479 tons : total tonnage for the
United States, 15,610. We have, also, 15 vessels loading
for Africa, 4,312 tons, and 14 for Calcutta, 6,394 tons.
LOSS OF THE BRIG NELSON WOOD.—The brig Nel-
son Wood, of this port, bound hitherto from Demerara
with a cargo of sugar, rum, molasses, and iron wood, was
totally lost, on the night of the 26th ult., at Mace
Island, on the coast of Connemara. We regret to state,
that the master and nine men perished, and only four of
the crew, the mate and three others, were saved. The
vessel went to pieces and the cargo was entirely lost.
PACKET-SHIF Coburg.—Tile flue new packet-ship
Cohota, Captain Hepburn, arrived at this port, on Monday
last, from New York, which city she left on the Bth ult.,
in company with the packet-ship Patrick Henry. She
was built by W. H. Webb, of New York, for the Messrs.
Griswold. The Cohota is 145 feet long, 32 feet width of
beam, and 21 feet depth of bold, and measures 700 tons,
and was built in the same yard as the Montezuma. Her
accommodations are excellent.

NEW, Suir.—A new ship, named the St. George, bur-
then 1,000 tons. would leave New York for this port
about the 20th ult. She is to be commanded by Captain
Ferris. She is 146 feet long, 34 feet 6 inches broad, 32
feet deep, and 7 feet 8 inches between decks, making 850
tons by measurement. She has extra transom knees and

ble water ways bolted throughout. She has a cabin
up very neatly to accommodate from six to ten
iengers, including baggage, and cargo room enough to
•y twenty-eight hundred bales of cotton. With this
cargo she will draw but fourteen feet of water.
THE MURDER AT KNOWSLEY.—OR Friday the pri-
soners previously examined on suspicion of having been
concerned in the murder of a gamekeeper at Knowsley
were again brought up. James Shaw, a farm servant at

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Eceleston, stated, that, on the night of the murder, he
met three men on the borders of the township of Windle
Rainford and Knowsley. Two of them were Rimmer and
Fillingharn, and the latter had a gun. Thinking they were
going to poach he informed the gamekeeper, and proceed-
ed with him towards the wood where the murder was com-
mitted, but they did not see them again. Whilst there he
heard two or three guns fired. Both prisoners were Com-
mitted for the wilful murder of Richard Kenyon, but they
each denied the charge.

INQUEST.—An inquest was held before the Borough
Coroner, on Saturday, touching the death of John Hall,
a seaman, 53 years of age, who died in Ashton-street,
Toxteth-park. It appeared that the deceased had com-
plained about a fortnight since of a difficulty of breath-
ing, and a cough, and that on Monday last he went to a
druggist in Stanhope-street, and procured a mixture of
laudanum, morphine, and other substances, a table-
spoonful of which he was directed to take every four
hours. Instead of obeying the order, he swallowed the
entire dose in 17 hours, became seriously ill, and died on
the following day. A verdict was returned, " that the
deceased had died from the effects of an overdose of
administered by himself."

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GOVERNMENT EDUCATION.—The Privy Council have
ordered the plans of the first Industrial School, under
the new system of education, to be published in their
forthcoming report. This is to be erected at Kirkdale,
near Liverpool, and is for the support and education of
twelve hundred children, divided into three classes, in-
fants, boys, and girls. The plans are remarkable for sim-
plicity of arrangement and capabilities for the master's
and matron's supervision of the charges to be intrusted to
them. Well-ventilated workshops, for the teaching of
carpentering, tailoring, shoe-making, &c., are found upon
the male side ; and upon the female side are those of
laundry work, straw platting, &c. Some notion may be
formed of the extent of this edifice by mentioning that
the space occupied by the masonry alone will cover up-
wards of sixty acres of land. An infirmary detached from
the main building, is provided for all the diseases prevalent
amongst the juvenile poor. The style is Tudor Gothic,
executed in red brick and stone dressing. The site is on
an open rising ground of considerablealtitude, commandibg
the mouth of the Mersey.—Morning Post.
11 ODN EY -STREET SCOTCH CHURCH.—The annual
meeting of the shareholders of Rodney-street Church, was
held in that building on Friday evening. Mr. W. Hen-
derson presided. The accounts were read and it ap-
peared, that,. after having paid the Rev. Mr. Park his
salary of £4OO, there was a balance in the bank of £276,
and that the seat rents for the year had produced £931.
It was resolved that the accounts be printed and copies
be sent to the shareholders. The following gentlemen
were elected to the committee of management in lieu of
those retiring : Major Thompson, Dr. Petrie, and Messrs.
Armstrong, Clow, and Jack. Messrs. Nicol, Ramsay,
Thompson. Steele, Angus, and Mackay were elected in
lieu of those who had resigned. Mr. Adam intimated
that he should resign his secretary and trusteeship. Mr.
M'Andrew also resigned his trusteeship. Dr. M'Cul-
loch eulogised Mr. Adam's conduct while acting as secre-
tary, and moved, that the thanks of the meeting be given
to him, which was seconded and adopted. Mr. Adam
returned thanks and the meeting separated.
MEETING OF ODD-FELLOWS.—On Wednesday even-
ing last, a meeting of this body took place at the Assem-
bly-rooms, Lord Nelson-street, for the purpose of receiv-
ing information from a provisional committee, which had
been appointed to make inquiries relative to the purchase
of the above building, for the use of the members of the
Odd-fellows' Society. The chairman said the plan which
they intended to adopt was that of a building society.
The shares are to be 30s. each, 10s. to be paid in January,
and the rest by instalments of 2s. 6d., so as to suit the
convenience of the members ; and it was intended to ap-
ply to some of the most influential gentlemen in the town
to become trustees. In reply to some inquiries, Mr.
Jones explained the reasons why the building did not re-
munerate the parties who at present held it. He said he
had made a rough calculation, and was of opinion that,
with proper management, it would realize sixteen per
cent. after the payment of all expenses. Several persons
gave in their names as shareholders, and, from the feeling
manifested at the meeting, there is every probability of
the purchase being completed.

TOWN COUNCIL PROCEEDINGS

On Wednesday a special meeting of the council was
held at the Town-hall, for the purpose of taking into con-
sideration and determining upon the proceedings and
directions of the Dock Committee, on the subject of fur-
ther dock accommodation, north and south of the present
line of docks, upon which the council of the 31st October
last came to the following resolution :
1 " That it is expedient that a special meeting of the
council should be called for an early day after the 9th of
November next, to take into consideration the subject of
going to parliament for power to purchase land, &c. to
the north and south (both or either) of the present line of
docks, for further dock accommodation ; and also for
power to make a communication by water from the pro-
posed new north docks, eastwardly, to the Leeds and
Li►erpool Canal, and to purchase land necessary for that
purpose ; and that in the mean time the Dock Committee
be at liberty to give the requisite parliamentary notices,
all proceedings thereon being subject to the determination
of the council, as trustees, at the special meeting to be
called after the 9th November next."
The Mayor took the chair at eleven o'clock, at which
time there were twenty-nine members in their respective
places.

The MAYOR opened their proceedings, by asking whe-
ther Mr. Bramley-Moore, the chairman of the Dock
Committee, had any proposition to make to the conncil?
Mr. BaAmeey-:MORE said, the object for which the
council was called had been considerably altered, in con-
sequence of the motion passed at the meeting of the Dock
Committee on Monday last, and which was to the effect,
that a special committee should be appointed for the fur-
ther consideration of the plans, and also because that
special committee could not meet until after the time
should have expired for compliance with the standing or-
ders of the House of Commons. Therefore, the object
for which the council had been called, was for the present
done away with ; and the course now to be decided upon
was, whether the council would order the plans to be de-
posited, and wait for the report of the special committee
or not ? It was quite competent for the council, as the
trustees of the docks, to move for the deposit of the plans,
and to wait for the report. No consequences would
thereby be incurred. It would neither commit the council
nor the Dock Committee to any particular measure, inas-
much as no steps were required to be taken until the 31st
of December, and no proceedings could be taken in par-
liament until the end of January, or the beginning of
February. The council would not be bound by the plans
in any way, because those plans might be subsequently
altered • and their deposit would be merely in compliance
with the standing orders and resolutions passed by the
council on the 31st of October. When he saw the course
the council would adopt, he should be prepared to go fur-
ther into detail.
The MAYOR asked whether Mr. Moore intended to
submit any motion ?
Mr. MOORE replied in the negative. He hardly felt it
competent in him to make a motion, because he was the
chairman of the Dock Committee, and, also, because the
majority of that committee bad expressed their opinion in
favour of delay.
Mr. BIRKETT said that, after having given the subject
a great delay of consideration, he thought it desirable, and,
inf act, due to the trade of the town, that the plans should
be lodged, the more particularly as the lodging of the
plans would not involve the council in difficulty or much
expense. In a grave case of the kind, where it had been
proved by the resolution of the Dock Committee that
much greater dock room or water space was required for
the present trade, to say nothing of the prospect of an
increasing trade, it was unlikely that a committee of the
House of Commons would throw out their bill, particu-
larly as much opposition was not now to be expected.
Mr. MOORE said he was authorised by the dock solici-
tor to state that it was the duty of the dock committee to
deposit the plans in order that the council might carry out
the resolution of the Dock Committee of October last.
As the special committee would be appointed on the fol-
lowing day, he thought it imperative on the council to de-
posit them, and that the town. clerk would coincide in this
opinion.
The TOWN-CLERK said he fully concurred with the
view taken by the dock solicitor. The great object of de-
positing the plans was to give notice to landowners, so
that they might know the extent of land which was pro-
posed to be taken compulsorily from them, but this did
not apply to the internal arrangements. The simple pro-
ceeding of lodging the plans would give the council time
to consider as to whether they should go to parliament or
not. There could be no sort of injury committed by
lodging them, but there might be great injury if they were
not lodged, and if, on a future occasion, it should be
deemed advisable to go to parliament.
Mr. BIRKETT said it would now be evident, after the
opinions given by the clock solicitor and the town-clerk,
that the council ought to proceed. He had made inquiries
from ship-brokers and ship masters, and the result showed
that much greater water space was required, and that they
should not be doing their duty if another year were suffer-
ed to pass, the more especially as it might take five or six
years before the contemplated docks could be erected. He
was sorry to hear it asserted on 'Change that one of the
members of the dock committee had made use of very
strong terms about not going to Parliament.
Mr. EVANS asked what reference this had to the busi-
ness of the day, or what the council had to do with asser-
tions on 'Change?
Mr. BIRKETT said he should not press the matter fur-
ther' but conclude by submitting the following resolution :
—" That the consideration of the subject for which this
meeting has been called be postponed until a day in De-
cember, to be appointed by the Mayor, save that, in the
.meantime, the Town-clerk be directed to arrange with
the Dock-solicitor for the lodging, ur the plans, inasmuch
as that proceeding cannot prejudice the public considera-
tion as to the whole or part of the accommodation pro-
posed, and will be necessary if the determination be to
proceed as originally recommended by the Dock Commit-
tee, and that all oth, r preparations for going to parlia-
ment be continued, subject to the determination of the
meeting in December."
Mr. Woon said that, were it not for his being a share-
holder in the Harrington Docks, he should be happy to
second the motion. He felt surprised that the growing
evil of the want of water space in Liverpool should have
been so long delayed ; for, as he had to cross the Mersey
twice a day, he was in the habit of seeing a number of
vessels, which, owing to the want of proper accommoda-
tion, could not get into dock. In his opinion, the Dock
Committee must have been recently frightened by the
proceedings of the Birkenhead Commissioners, in refe-
rence to the Wallasey Dock. (Hear, hear, and laughter.)
But there was no cause of alarm ; because not one ship in
five hundred would enter the Wallasey Dock unless com-
pelled to do so by want of room on the Liverpool side of
the water. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. THOMPSON seconded the motion.
Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE expressed his belief that the
council had nothing to apprehend from a parliamentary
contest, and nothing to be afraid of on the part of their
opponents in Cheshire—opponents as they were often
called. If they could satisfy c rtain bond-holders and
others, there would be no difficulty in obtaining a bill;
but it was not at all surprising to his mind, that the Dock
Committee should have felt desirous of acting with cau-
tion on the present occasion, and that the council should
share in the feeling. The council had hitherto proved
itself worthy of its trust, and competent to undertake the
management of the affairs of the docks ; and he trusted
they would neither undermine nor endanger the good
understanding and confidence which existed between them
and the merchants of the town. He thought they ought
to be doubly cautious in the matter when they were ap-
proaching to an expenditure amounting to nearly a mil-
lion and a half of money, not to be taken out of their
own pockets, or to be defrayed, in case of failure, by a
borough-rate, but to be extracted from the ratepayers of
Liverpool. On the other hand, he was aware of the ne- !
cessity for dock accommodation ; and though he did not
agree with those gentlemen of the Dock Committee who
would plunge them into such extensive schemes as were
at first proposed, and subsequently withdrawn, yet still
he thought that in the present session, notwithstanding
the plans of their Cheshire neighbours, they should go to
parliament. But his ideas of going to parliament were
limited, for he looked solely to the corporation property
at the north end of the town. (Hear, hear.) His plan
was, that they should seek for powers to make a large
steam dock on their own property, with the view of re-
lieving the Coburg Dock, and affording accommodation
to the timber trade, as well as the trade of the town ge-
nerally ; and those advantages were to be gained by going
to the north. He was delighted that the gentlemen on
the Cheshire side were about to make extensive improve-
ments. He confessed that the plan of the Wallasey Dock
had come upon him rather suddenly ; but, then, he had
always said that, if they were willing to make docks, they
were at perfect liberty so to do. He was against the sys-
tem of keeping the corporation land in Cheshire; but if
he had had the least notion that the council would have
sanctioned the erection of docks on the other side, or
that they wanted to have docks there, he should not have
been a party to the alienation of that property. The
council would not, however, have sanctioned any such
erection ; in fact, •it would have been suicidal policy on
their parts if they had : and it should be remembered that
the Cheshire people could have gone to parliament for
liberty to make a dock if the sales had never been ef-
fected. The sales were wise and proper ; and Mr. Evans
ought to be satisfied with them, because he would now
have docks and the dock-warehouse scheme into the bar-
gain. (Hear, and laughter.) Mr. Evans would further
agree that the council bad no right to keep the Cheshire
property idle for the benefit of the dock estate—an estate
in which the council had no primary or beneficial inte-
rest. The Wallasey Dock would take away a great deal
of the surplus traffic of Liverpool, and improve the re-
mainder of the corporation property in Cheshire ; and he
wished the scheme success. His proposal was, that that
part of tha plan which related solely to the north end of
the town, be lodged.

Messrs. North, Lace, Stewart, Smith, Kilshaw, and
others declined to vote, on account of their having an in-
terest in the Harrington Dock Company.
The Council adjourned at half-past one o'clock.

DOCK COMAIITTEE.-THURSDAY

At the usual monthly meeting of this body on Thurs-
day all the members were present with the exception of
Mr. Molvneux.
Mr. RIPLEY, alluding to the transit sheds, said that
one of them was at present occupied with tobacco, althogh
on Monday the committee had refused to allow any more
for that purpose. It appeared from Mr. Ripley's state-
ment that Mr. Pitcher had applied to him for leave to
open the shed, and being informed that the application
must come before a sub committee of the Council, he
(Mr. Pitcher) applied to the chairman, who gave an order
to open the sheds.

The CHAIRMAN said he looked over the act, and found
that the goods in the sheds were to be considered, before
they were weighed, in the same light as if they were still
in the hold of the vessel, but there was no mention of the
ship at all, so as to prevent her from beinr, jerked.
Mr. RIPLEY : Then the sheds might be taken posses-
sion of for twelve months?
The CHAIRMAN: Yes.
Mr. RIPLEY said that was not the spirit of the act of
parliament. The inspector-general said he would limit
the time to 14 days, at the end of which he would remove
all articles to bonded warehouses for the purpose of secu-
ring the Queen's dues.
Mr. AIKIN said from what he had seen that (lit}, these
sheds might be made useful for the general uses of the
port, but if they were allowed to remain full of tobacco,
or any other article, they would be of little use.
Mr. EVANS said it would not becoming in the com-
mittee to go in the teeth of the act of parliament. Know-
ing how that act was obtained, the party spirit, and the
private interests that dictated an unreasonably short pe-
riod for the retention of goods in the sheds, he, for one,
was happy to find that they could act in a good spirit by
availing themselves of the defect of the act. Was it not
absurd and unjust, that the articles were to be removed
in one day after they had passed the scale ; articles which
might have been transhipped again in the course of a few
days?
After some conversation the subject was dropped. it
being understood the solicitor was to be asked whether
the committee could make such regulations as would ob-
viate the difficulty in which they were placed.

Mr. PARKER thought the motion a most extraordinary
one, and that the Dock Committee were in a very curious
position. The Chairman of the Finance Committee had
touched on Cheshire, and made a long harangue, as if he
had done wrong in selling the land, (no, no, from Mr.
Lawrence,) or as if he felt a sort of sting. (Laughter.)
Mr. Wood could tell him that all the Cheshire people who
were coming across in the steamers had a smile on their
countenances, as much as to say they had frightened the
Dock Committee. (Hear, and laughter.)
Mr. Woon.—That's a fact.
Mr. FARICEIR continued.—There was an old tale that it
took nine tailors to make a man, and it took nineteen
Birkenhead commissioners to make a Jackson. (Conti-
nued laughter.) The picture drawn by the Birkenhead
commissioners and the Cheshire people, at the position in
which the Dock Committee had placed the Council, was
this :—they were saying " Liverpool is going down the
hill—it wont be long before their docks will be fish-ponds,
all the trade will go into Cheshire, and the Liver, that
aquatic bird, will be stalking through their desolate streets.
and going away with the retiring tide that used to come
into Whitechapel." (Great laughter.) He concluded by

DOCK DUES AT RUNCORN.
The number of vessels which entered the port of Run-
corn during the last month was 170, tonnage 8941 ; dues
£4O 3s. 4d., being an increase on the corresponding month
last year of £6 16s. 7d.

SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON THE DOCK PLANS.
Mr. HORSFALL proposed the following members to
constitute this committee :—The:Cbairman, Mr. Nichol,
Mr. Shand, Mr. Evans, Mr. Aikin, Mr. Holt, Mr. Bold,
Mr. Ripley, and Mr. Middleton. It was then arranged
that, as the chairman was ex officio a member of all sub-
committees, his name had better be omitted, and that of
Mr. Horsfall substituted.

Mr. RIPLEY asked whether the council could compel
this committee to report before the 31st of December.
Mr. Nicol said they could.
Mr. HORSFALL said he very much doubted it.
Mr. INItcoL : I think Mr. Tobin ought to be on the
committee, and I move that his name be put on the com-
mittee in place of mine.

The motion not being seconded,
Mr. Nicol, said he was so anxious that Mr. Tobin
should be on the committee, that, without meaning the
slightest offence, he should propose Mr. Tobin's name

______,................,...„,..............„ saying that he should vote in support of the view taken by i instead of Mr. Holt's. After some little conversation it
the majority of the Dock Committee. i was resolved in order to save all unpleasantness, that Mr.
Mr. Honosois said he was surprised, after the decision Tobin's name should be added to the committee, which
come to by the Dock Committee, that they should have now consists of ten.
made such a sudden change without offering any sound The re-construction of sub committees was then pro-
reason for that change. It appeared to him that they had needed with. They are now constituted as follows :—.
been working in the fogs of November, and that they Sub committee of works—Messrs. Horsfall, Evans,
ought to be given the clear month of December to alter Moon, Nicol, Middleton, and Shand. Marine Sub Com-
their course and lodge their plans. He believed the mittee—Messrs. Holt, Bulley, Ripiey, and 'robin. Har-
Chairman of the Finance Committee never imagined that bour-master's Sub-committee— Messrs. smith, Moon,
the Cheshire people were going to make a dock at Walla. Sanbach, Chilton, Bold, and Boyden. Finance Com.
sey Pool at the time he sold the land; and that if he had mittee—Messrs. Barclay, Holmes, Molyneux, and Trot-
had any idea that a dock was to be made there, a higher man.
price would have been asked. But no apology was offered
daAy,lfentrtetrhesigdnisendhabrygiTn.g Buf.
vessels
aads
uded.
the
neuornm:
for the sale; it was a bona fide sound transaction at the plained of the short time allowedsflas bywn th re
rge Caustoms, each.
time; and the Cheshire dock should have his (Mr.
Hodgson's) hearty approbation. mittee to apply for an alteration in the prescribed hours--
Mr. ISAAC HOLMES thought they ought not to lose a After a little conversation, the matter was referred to the
day in making a dock at the north, and in opening acorn- Harbour-master's Sub-committee, the members present
munication with the Canal. The docks and the Council being of opinion that it was a subject which ought to be
were as closely joined together as man and wife, and he taken up immediately.
hoped that what had been joined together would never be A letter was read from Peter Halliday, asking with re-
put asunder. (A laugh.) He differed from Mr. Law_ Bard to the regulations of the transit sheds, whether the
twenty-four hours commenced at the first beginning of
ol,t
h,freeesr neurcpai enp
supply
yn this
reason to find fault with the language of that gentleman, landing the goods, or at the termination. The feeling
although it was seldom he had
yet, undoubtedly, his language was that day worthy of repro- which prevailed in the committee was, that the most
bation. (Great laughter.) He concluded by saying that liberal construction ought to be placed on the act, and
the Council might have made £20,000 a-year by means of that if goods began to be landed one day at ten o'clock,
the Cheshire property, which was now alienated from the they ought not to require them to be removed before next
evening.
corporation.
Mr. EVANS spoke at considerable length upon the ge.. A memorial from the carters, requesting permission to
neral question. He maintained that the Dock Committee allow their horses to stand under the sheds in rainy wea-
bad nothing laid before it by which even they could be ther, was referred to the Head-constable.
said to understand what they were about in the case. tie THE COUNCIL AND THE DOCK COMMITTEE.
thought a year's delay advisable on many accounts, and 111 r. HORSFALL wished Mr. Worthington, the dock
that it would be justified, and more than justified, by the solicitor, had been there, as he intended to have asked him
fact that about that time they would open a new dock, as to the proceedings yesterday at the council. He was
and, in all likelihood, they would have the Queen's Dasin their legal adviser, but they saw very little of him, and he
nearly, if not altogether, in the form of a dock too. He ought to have been there that day. lie (Mr. liorsfall)
hncaroidtrynbee been
no
that
consulted,tilli
had
dt
ddecisionecla
rv%.e,dh;ot buouutt i
zh
le:
te doubtedto contrary,kknow
ow
should think this would answer, if he might descend in the did not find fault with the decision of the council, if they
illustration, as a very good luncheon to stay the appetite
agn I h :a.
hu to
nt h
of the port for one, two, or even for three years. He would whether they had a right to do so, notwithstanding the
not wander over the river, except so far as to say, that it
might do very well for gentlemen to fling their caps up in He (Mr. Horsfall) spoke with great deference to the legal
more than he did, but the Dock Committee were peen-
gpoah;itdofsahyotohoeuyrw,
butere wrehaednythtoeymeoemeteotothgeorse,stions
as it ghheiagndit' I ealmergei
arid demand, they must look at the thing in an
liarly constituted. If it were constituted as another corn_
arithmetical and not in a chivalrous manner. There was mittee of the council, the council would have a righ
t to
no question but Liverpool was already in so gigantic a control it, but he wished to know what authority
the
mould that she ought to have proportionate space in which council had over the rate-payers ? There was a wide dis-
to expand yet there were men who would confine every-
tinction, which he thought
roust have been lost sight of by
•
thing to the' old borough, played a dirty little act, placed the council, for they had decided th.t the rate-payers
warehouses on the top of the bill, and made it the Black should he entirely under the control of the council, and
Hole of Calcutta in order to augment their burgess and that was quite foreign, in his opinion, to the construction
freeman property. But as the council were the trustees of the law.
for the docks and commerce of the empire at large, ho- Mr. Hos? said he believed the Town-clerk, from the
nesty as well as interest required that they should act as if very commencement of the Municipal Act, held an
they were the rulers of the British Empire with respect to opinion that the Dock Committee were, for new matters.
the docks. He should that moment prefer that the dock merely a committee of the council. The Attorney and
estate should give the Harrington Company from £50,000 Solicitor Generals gave an opinion against that; but
to £70,000 in money to let them alone. (A laugh.) He, higher authority was got, arid it was thought to be right.
not apprehending that there was a little kind of a conspi- Still it was extraordinary that the rate-payers should be
racy existing across the river to possess themselves under the control of the council.
of the land for the purpose of making a dock, thought Mr. HORSFALL said he wanted to see the solicitor
that selling it in lots only to mere individuals was the way
Mr. Nicol
er . said be knew the dock solicitor consulted
there, because he should be glad to know on what grounds
to prevent it ; but he quite rejoiced sow that the Finance he had changed his opinion.
the Town-clerk, and had adopted his opinion.
tChoen'p'rneictuteresohrasdt omtandeemtahkei ns
Mr. Anus thought they ought not to take any further
ga l eosf ,
duonedk
st
oh
va
et r tthheey r
ihvaedr . been
Mr. Hs opinion.ortsgaet.—That may be, but I want the dock
steps this session, and that their plans on the table were solicitor
extremely ill-digested. The best watote serve the bur-
i‘s• ey'
eitheror for
the plans,
servant of
olf) i
Mr. AIKIN.—The dock solicitor had no right to act
without instructions from this committee.
gesses, the interests of the town, and a their ware-
tinhsiselftrtuaskte,sotthtehme
steorvParteist toofris.mrliele.
houses of value, was to keep their port dues as low al Mr. HORSFALL.— So far from that, he goes to the sur-
possible. They would be enabled to make Liverpool
prosperous—they might give to Cheshire the offal, the
shreds and tatters of the trade, while the value of the body else. If he were the servant of that trust, he had
no right to go with the plans
without being directed by the
trade would always come to Liverpool, if they kept their
port charges low.—(Hear, hear.) If they doubled their committee.
dock rates, trade would find its level, as water did, and go Mr. Nteors—l believe the dock solicitor would con-
where the dock rates were low ; and if they proceeded on
Sider himself the servant of the trustees ; and
who are the
the present plans, their dock rates must be raised, or they trustees ?
Mr. HORSFALL.--I should be glad if you would find
never could pay the interest of their debt. He then pro-
ceeded to show, that during the last four years there hadany thing of that sort in the act of parliament.
Mr. Nicol. said their proceedings, as regarded the new
been no increase of tonnage into the port, but positively
arament. The law laid
a decrease to the extent of a few hundred tons ; and, plans, were not under the act of p
therefore, he said there ought to be no haste in going ta
down by the Town-clerk, and to thisli the dock solicitor had
parliament. lie concluded, by saying that the Haering-
given way, was, that they were a distinct hoard, or corn-
ton Estate was worth the money asked for it, as laud for mittee, under the dock acts; but for all new matters,
sheds, but not worth any thing like the money as water. apart from those acts of parliament, the council could
Mr. Nicol, contended that no proof had been given of claim the right of controlling them entirely.
the plans being ill-digested—that it was imperative on the Mr. AIKIN contended
netttha Mr. Horsfall ruewoTfahsecy:bn iatadr: zrei
Contrary to
ttao,u,
Itt
ill ijeoeard'ui
ytnydpteaors:tead,
,d ti
understanding
geor ere but bar utatos
ought
giy:iel virtueixtoiosfrt acts
be
ea -s
Dock Committee to take their present course and that it
ttowheeisndltiiitmiesatnodthtahtecboorna
would he unbecoming in them to be constantly going to
committee Parliament for driblets of Dock accommodation. It was dealing with plans as emarnving from this cJmrnittee, it
et vtlo-asreedeirivectilyrisin opposition
instructions
the opinion of Mr. Henry Holmes that the trade of the
e
port doubled itself every twenty years, and that there was
no doubt, looking at the change made in the tariff, that
the trade would prospectively increase. There might or to act in any way in connection with that estate with-
have been less activity in the timber trade during the last out their direction.
.4. discussion of some length followed, in the course of
four years than there had been previously, arid this might
Lro,ich the CHAIRMAN stated thi.t, at the request of the
account for the decrease of tonnage alluded to by Mr. h
vn-clerk, he had signed an order for the deposition of
Aikin, but, at the same time, it did not follow that the T
docks were the plan, under the solicitor's order.
Mr. Mo not crammed full.
spoke strongly in favour of the dock ex-
For which he was rebuked by Mr. Aikin, Mr. Shand,
ollE
tension, and said that he had no predilections for the north and others, having, as they thought, compromised the
committeer by so doing,
over the south end of the town or vice versa. When they
effect .
tirovS submitted a motion, which was to the
considered the situation of Liverpool, and its proximity
_that solicitor to the Dock Trust s!:ould be di-
to the western world, they ought to make some effort to
reeled to state a case for the opinion of counsel as to the
meet the demands upon them, for, to this port, vessels
legality of the proceedings of the Town Council in de-
from the western world must necessarily come. The trade
positing plans not adopted by the Dock Committee, and
from the United States had gone on increasing from year
to year; and as it was very probable that before long they
Tvli Councile and the Dock Committee in the affairs of
too,point out generally the respective jurisdictions of the
would have a more equitable adjustment of the tariff with
respect to sugar and other articles, as well as a fixed duty the
Mir)o IlIPLEY seconded the motion.
Estate,
on corn, the present accommodations of the port would **
Mr. neon thought they should first get the opinion
be totally inadequate to the demand. He concluded by
saying that if Mr. Aikin had gone back another year be-
and reasons of the dock solicitor in writing, and moved a
vond the four to which he had alluded, he would have resolution to that effect.
Mr. TROTMAN seconded it.
found an increase of 287,000 tons, and that if he had em-
Mr. EVANS said they had that already. ' If he agreed
braced a period of eight years, he would have found an with the Town-clerk they would not be sitisfied, and if he'
increase of 736,000 tons, together with an increase in the decided against the Town-clerk, his opinion would not
receipts of ha. ~.......icinz from the increase of tonnage be taken alone.
to the East Indies.
Mr. BLACKBURN asked whether Mr. Hartley had re- bex-lw—lier7a's'tlie;;lotiCT best form or -n- .
Biro ig
1 tsr has Uolle What is believdVd
ported that the Albert Dock would attract a new trade, ille l l t '
d nga , e i attend here and tell us whether e has
not now in existence, or the trade from the other docks?
Mr. Mew. stated generally what Mr. Hartley had oTeh
The
ovootre not h
Mr.
Nieops weretit en taken, when there appeared for
reported. Liverpool had not become a place for bonded
s amendment five, against it seven ; namely,
goods for export to the extent that London had, and Mr. for—Me n, Smith, Boyden, Troupe!), and
Hartley meant to say that the Albert Dock would lead to Nicol • ss!3.
, against it—Messrs. Evans, Holmes, Aikin, Rip-
those bonded goods being lodged in the new warehouses.
. ley, Bold, Bulley, and Moore.
Mr. Blackburn argued from this
answer that one of the Tire motion of Mr. Evans was then put and carried, the
most effectual means for meeting the necessities of the voting being
i,hle exactly the same.
case would be to build warehouses on the margin of the arc's. committee adjourned at ten minutes after three
If they were to build warehouses on the margin of the '
o clock.
Prince's Dock, all this discussion would have been saved, the trade of the port would be increased, and the interests
of the merchant secured.
Mr, .BIRKETT brieflv replied.
The Council divided, when there appeared, for the trio-
tiou, 31 ' • viz:—Messrs. Hodgson, Shaw, Houghton, I.
Holmes, Blundell, Thompson, Edwards, Tinne, Aspinall,
Sothern, Royden, Hornby, Birkett, Boutflower, Bushell,
Rigby, Lloyd, G. H. Lawrence, Plumpton, Leigh, Glaze-
brook, Trotman, Harbord, Houghton (alderman), J.
Lawrence, Crook, Nicol, Bramley-Moore, Molyneux,
Chilton, and the Mayor.
Against the motion. 12; viz Messrs. Shand, Thornhill,
Chimer, Blackburn, Preston, Aikin, J. Holmes, Parker,
Bailey, Holt, Moon, and, Evans.
The motion was accordingly declared to have beer
carried.

1M5E0...,..,C9M1N1Etm.r.•

Amongst the insolvent debtors recently discharged from
Lancaster Castle was Taylor Jennings, banker's clerk,
who, at the last assizes in this town, was a prominent wit-
ness against Anderson.
COTTON.—The estimated stock of cotton in this port
on the Ist December, 1842, was 421,250 bales, and, on
the Ist instant, 663,912 bales ; being an increase, as coin-
pared with the sam ate last year, was 355,026 bales.
A treasury ordeitkently issued permits the allowance
of three gallons per cask per centage on bonded brandies,
arising from natural causes, without application to the
board.

A treasury order received at this port last week pre-
vents foreign pickled tribe to be delivered out of bond for
ship's stores, in the same proportion as foreign beef or
pork, that is, not exceeding Ilbs. per day altogether of
these descriptions of food for each person during the
voyage out and home.
THE WINTER ASSIZE IN LIVERPOOL: THE CA LEN-
D A R.—The following is the, number of prisoners for trial
at the approaching assizes for this division of the county :
For murder, 6; manslaughter, 1; cutting and stabbing,
; administering poison, 1 ; burglary, 20; robbery, 7 ;
cattle-stealing, 1 ; forgery, 5 ; bigamy, 3 ; rape, 1 ; un-
natural crime, 1; felony, 3; conspiracy, 2; mint cases,
8 ; escaped convict, 1; poaching, 1; evidence, 1; out on
bail, 3. Total, 72.
POLICE COURT, PRIDA Y.—A young man, named
George M`Gregor, who had lately been dismissed from
the service of 111 r. Elliot, draper, of Paradise-street, was,
on Friday, committed for trial on a charge of obtaining a
piece of broad cloth from the shop of Mr. Murray, draper,
of the same street.—Three publicans were fined and two
acquitted, and seven beer-sellers were convicted in various
penalties.—A person named George Rowley, one of the
who broke out of Castle Ruthen, in the Isle of Man,
ion time ago, was ordered to be conveyed back to his
quarters.

ACCELERATION OF THE IRISH MAlLS.—Symptoms of
the new route we described, via Birkenhead, being adopted
are becoming visible. The City of Dublin Company are
going to make a bold push to secure the contract to con-
vey the mails between the new terminus of the Chester
and Birkenhead Railway at Monk's Ferry and Dublin in
nine hours, being about to launch their new iron vessel
from Mr. Wilson's yard, in Liverpool, with engines 380
horse-power, guaranteed by the builder and engineer to be
the fastest sea-going steam-vessel afloat, and hare con-
tracted for another with the same parties. There can be
little doubt that this new vessel will make an average
passage of nine hours to Dublin. The new vessel is to be
called the Nonsuch, is 130 feet long, 28 feet beam.
Engines, 65 inches cylinders, 7 feet stroke, manufactured
by Fawcett and Co.—Railway Magazine.
SETTING FIRE TO A DWELLING-HOUSE.—On Wed-
nesday, William Jones and Simon Frank:and, two little
boys—one about seven, the other nine years of age—were
charged, at the Police-court, with setting fire, at half. past
seven in the morning, to the dwelling-house of Mr. Strad-
ford, in Birkett-street Soho. It appeared, from the evi-
dence of a boy who observed them, that they ignited some
lucifer matches against the wall, and introduced them
through the bolt-hole, by which the shutter is fastened,
in consequence of which the window-blind and several ar-
ticles took fire. The damage sustained was not great.
On Thursday the prisoners were again brought up, and
the younger one discharged. Mr. Stradford said half-past
seven o'clock in the morning was such an unusual hour,
that he thought the elder boy must have been sent to act
as he had done.

IRON STEAM-SHIP HELEN WGREGOR.—A new iron
steamer, built at Liverpool for our enterprising townsmen,
As
eleems ssr s. G t 0
me n
me admirably
ad C0.,
adaptedattrac
forted them y attention,
Hamburgh and
ttrade,
for for which she is intended. She arrived here on Sunday
last from Hamburgh, having made her passage in forty.
four hours, and performed, in the course of the voyage,
with thick weather and a head wind, twelve knots per
hour. She carries a large cargo at comparatively light
draught of water, and is fitted up in a superior style for
stthaenaccommodationte fp passengersower 249 . h
oTr
shee) nagrien erse,
nin
aort
kwai
bt hl
compact, and the small space within which they stand
the subject of general surprise. A friend of mine, whis
o
returned here from Hamburgh in her, and is a frequent
passenger, pronounces her to be " the easiest and most
comfortable vessel he had ever the good fortune to cross
the ocean in ; in fact," said he, "she is an admirable sea
boat. Hull correspondent of the Railway Times.

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