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HOUSE OF LORDS.—TitunsDAY.
On the Townsbend Peerage Bill going through committee,
Lord BROUGHAM proposed an amendment in the clause
which declared the children of the Marchioness Towushend
The amendment was to the effect that they

ilegitirnate

were not the children of the marquis.
Lord MONTYAGLE said there could be no reasonable doubt
as to the justice of the case of Lord C. Townshend, but he
could not understand why an exception was introduced into
the bill in favour of Cecil Mina Bolivar, who was not yet of
age, for that child would be still left as the child of the mar-
quis. Under these circumstances, he was at a loss to know
on. what principle they passed the bill at all, as when the
child came of age it would be necessary to pass another bill
to secure the rights of Lord C. Townshend. lie regretted
that in this case evidence had been given to prove that a.ping
eer
of the realm had been trafficking for the purpose of deppv
the right heirs of their inheritance, for pecuniary considera-
tions. How could they tell but when this child was of age,
the Marquis Tovrnshend would not enter into similar traffic-

king with him for the same purpose.
Lord BROUGHAM said that, as a marriage had taken place
in Scotland between Lady Townshend and Mr. Margetts, the
children might be the legitimate issue of Mr. Margetts if the
marriage between the Marquis and Lady Townshend should
be declared invalid by the ecclesiastical courts. The excep-
tion in favour of the youngest son was because of his infancy,
and the injustice of depriving him of any presumed right when
he had no opportunity of being heard.
The amendments were agreed to, and the report was ordered

to be received! day.
The Loan CHANCELLOR said that in the case of the Sud-
bury Disfranchisement Bill, Mr. Austin had declared his
inability to make out a case of general corruption, and that
would not therefore proceed further with the bill.
Lord BROUGHAM then gave notice that he would this day
move the second reading of the bill that day six months.
In reply to a question from Lord CAMPBELL.
The Loan CHANCELLOR stated that the judges would at-
tend their lordships on Thursday next, in order to give their
opinions of the law in cases of murder arising from insanity.
The Registration of Voters Bill was then read a third time
and passed.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TwunsDAY.
Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD moved for leave to bring into a
bill to secure the full representation of the people, and
shorten the duration of Parliaments.
Mr. T. DuNcomas seconded the motion.elden and other
After some observations from Sr. Fi
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radical metabers,
Sir R. Psitt. said it was rather singular that the hon. gen-
tleman should state his fear for the maintenance of the mo-
narchy as arising from such a proposition as that before the
house, if agreed to, and yet, with all his anxiety for its sup-
port, that he would not lend it even the aid of his vote. For
his own part, he would pursue a different course, and give
the constitution the benefit of his vote on that
Reform Bill, for
occasion. He
was placed in the position of defending the
be perceived that all of those who had originated it were ab-
'he house. The right hon. baronet then contended
length against the arguments ad
expressing
vancedd
b
e by the se-
veral supporters of the motion ; and concludy
his determination to give it his most strenuous opposition,
believing it to be inconsistent with the existence of peace
and law, and that limited and constitutional authority which,
whatever temporary difficulties it might be subject to, he be-
lieved, on the whole, to have given the people of this country
more real constitutional freedom than the people of any other

sent from

at some

country in the world.
Mr. DUNCOMBE defended the working classes from the
aspersions cast upon them 15y
they Mr. Ross, and denied that
wished to change the constitution of the country. All
they wanted was to be fairly represented in that house. He
denied that the Reform Bill had been productive of the great
robenutlufints imputed to it, and argued for the necessity of the
s of universal
Dr. BOWRING had witnessed the working
affrage in other countries, and was not afraid of its being
introduced in England. He would have even erroneous
opinions represented, that they might be discussed and re-
f fuzed. He recommended them to cede much, and that
quickly, as to the organisation of the house, or a change
would be speedily effected otherwise.
Lord J. MANNERS said that in proportion use ower had
been taken from the Crown and the mitre, the pysical and
moral condition of the people had deteriorated. He believed
this motion would have that tendency, and therefore that he
was consulting their interests in opposi
motion was rejected
ng it.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD replied, and the
on a division by a majority of 101 to 32.
Mr. ROEBUCK then moved his resolution " That in no
plan of education maintained and enforced by the state
should any attempt be made to inculcate peculiar religious
°inions; because as such an attempt would be considered a
plan for maintaining and strengthening an undue superiority
of one sect over all others, the animosity and strife already
existing among different religious denominations would
thereby unhappily be greatly increased and the cordial co.
operation of all sects and denominations, which is absolutely
necessary to insure the success of any plan of public educa-
tion, rendered impossible." The hon. and learned gentleman
argued at great length that, as the great proportion of the
population belonged to the Established Church, there could
be no injury from the omission of the inculcation of peculiar
religious tenets ; while, on the other hand, great mischief
might be produced by the assertion of the principle of religi-
ous instruction.
Sir J. GRAHAM contended that a general feeling prevailed
that education to be sound must be based foundedon, and
that the right of private judgment ehould be upon a
previously acquired knowledge of the Scriptures. The
greater proportion of the community would repudiate the
principle contained in TerRoebuck's motion. It would be
repudiated by the Presians in Scotland ; and in Ireland
the attempt to enforce the system of teaching by Scripture
extracts had proved an utter failure. It was true that the
dissenters contended for the most perfect equality, but while
the Church of England continued to be the Established
Church, no compulsory scheme of education could be framed
without founding it on the tenets of that establishment,
taking, however, especial care to respect the religious scru-
ples of those who differed from that church. The feeling
was so deeply imbued in the minds of the people that the
Holy Scriptures should be the basis of education, that any
attempt to enforce a different principle would only recoil on
the Government which attempted it.
Mr. M. MILNas said he would rather see the factory
children and others educated in any religious doctrine what.
ever than see them not educated at all ut he could not
"'e doctrine that they should not ;
be educated in any

support tim
religion whatever.
Sir R. INGLIS said be believed that nothing was worthy of
the name of education which did nukebring out the highest
qualities of man, which could alone him Wise unto sal-
Sir
He should decidedly oppose the motion of the hon.
his motion was
member for Bath.
Mr. RGEBuc/C replied, and on a division
negatived by a majority of 136 to 60.
The other orders of the day were disposed of, and the

house adjourned

HOUSE OF LORDS.--kcitiv,--
buOn the motion of the Marquis of CLANRIC A AOC, the Sod-
ti bury Disfram hisernent Bill was ordered to be read a second
me that day six moiths. The bill was, therefore, lost.
The Marquis ot Do vvNeFllftE presented a petition from the
Protestant Operative Association of Belfast. complaining of
the agitation for the repeal of the union. The noble mar-
quis expressed a hope that the declaration of the noble duke
on a former evening would have the effect of putting a stop

to the agitation.
BEAuItoNT denounced the conduct of the Catholic
bishopre (Dr. Higgins) for teal, manner in which he bad inter-
! din the question of repontending that he should be
the advocate of peace rather than the fomenter of discord.
Lord KENMARIC said he entirely coincided in the senti-
ments expressed by Lord Beaumont.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
house adjourned.

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HOUSE OF COONS.-41"PAT'
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Lord STANLZY then brought forward the Canadian boon
orn
and Flour Bill. The proposed measure Would extend a
to the Canadians which they had solicited for the last tvventy-
five years. It was a measure altogether apart from the ques-
tion of the corn laws, and from the question of free trtade.
It was intended to give encouragement to the agriculnutral
interests of Canada by admitting its produce to this coury
duty more favourable terms. He proposed to substitutewa
duty of 'is upon Canadian flour as a substitute for a duty twat-
varying from Is to ss. At present there was no dut b
ever on the import of foreign wheat into Canada,
.he
should propose as a protection to the Canadian agriculturist
a duty of as on the importation of American wheat into Ca-
nada, and he should also propose a perrnanent fixed duty of
Is on the importation of CanaiUan wheat and flour dutyEbng-
land. Instead therefore of ffitroducing a tixed
.:. a
mt
ck door, as had been industriously represented, they h
be said to be imposing a toll on that which had passed roll-
be
free for the last sixteen years. Neither would it injure the
milling interest, since a fair equivalent was provided for ex-
isting regulations. A more important point was whether
the proposed duty could be levied, but of this he was pet-
fectly satisfied, because from the character of the country it
would exceed
must be evident that the expense 01. smuggling
the rate of duty, and, in fact, it bad never been alleged that
wheat was smuggled into Canada. H e was satisfied, therefore,
that the measure, without injuring our agricultural interest,
would be a boon,
to Canada. by enabling them to consume
our manufactures, and affording them a steady market for
their produce. The measure was no advance towards free
trade, and therefore hon. members on the other side might
consistently oppose it, but its principles as to levy a pro-
tective duty on American corn as nearly possible the same
as at present. On the faith of this measure the Canadians
had vied with each other in assenting to the Government
proposition of a corn law for that colony, and they therefore
held the Government pledged to omit no exertion to carry
the arrangement into effect. Under these circumstances he
would ask whether it would be wise, just, practicable, or
safe, to tell them that we had changed our minds. For his
own part, if the house were induced to reject it, be would
not advise her Majesty to give her assent to the act of the
colonial legislature. Looking at our increasing population,
it was of the utmost importance that the house should con-
sider where they could look for the means of supplying them
but to that great area cultivated by our own countrymen,
and capable of supplying our deficiencies without being able
to compete with our own productions. On the grounds,
therefore, of agricultural and commercial policy, of justice,
expediency, and good will, he submitted the proposal that the
house shoed resolutionsl into a committee, in which he
would propose as the groundwork for a bill to the
principle and atnbdeimr
saainneotbiujenct of which he confidently anticipated
Mr. LABOUCHS protested against the footing on which
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the noble lord had rested the bill. If any danger should re-
sult from its rejection the responsibility would rest on the
noble lord for having entere intosanction oan arrangf temheent
House with theof
Canadian legislature without the
Commons. The practical question was, whether they would
consent to reduce the duty on corn and flour imported from
Canada into this country on condition that the Canadian leg-
islature would pass a corn law for Canada. He bad last year
opposed the new tariff on salted provisions, believing it to be
absurd and impracticable, and be now opposed the present
measure as combining the inconveniences of protection with
the evils of smuggling. If be could bring himself to believe
that the measu uld be the means of introducing a.larger
supply of grain tooth is country, he should think it would in
that case be advantageous, because it would tend to counter-
balance the evil of creating a new protected interest, which
' much more easily created than got rid of. He could
. see how it would benefit the colonial agriculturist or the
colonial merchant, and he could not therefore
on
why the English consumer should be called upon t paY
the
duty of three shillings. Believing measure to be adverse
to the principles of free trade without possessing any coon-
an"a
i "ng advantages, he would move as an amendment that
humble address should be presented to her'
ajesty, hum-
tebly praying her Majesty to withhold her assent from an act
ct
assed in the last sesesion of the provincial parliament
of
'ion of a duty on the importation

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,ended that the object of the bill was
trade in American flour through Canada
try at a fixed duty of •Is. Canada did not raise
to supply British North America, and it ap
. papers o!s the table, that the extra cost of
an corn in this way to Great Britian, would
,s. Canadian, and is. British duty, and the
^f conveyance, This he looked upon
of the eFpen:le3 gat up stn
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this nnneoessary addition to the price of food. There was a
England
difference between the condition of the labourer in
England and in Canada, and yet we were proposing to in-
crease the price of food to the English labourer, and not only
that, but we were actually doing so by means of a tax levied
entirely for the benefit of Canada. The house should pause 1
before it encouraged the investment of capital on the faith of
a protection which must ere long be swept away.
Mr. GLADSTONE supported the motion of Lord Stanley, 1
contending that the house was pledged by its tacit assent to
the expectation held out that if Canada should adopt certain
measures relative to the importation of American grain, her
own grain would be received on more favourable terms into
this country. Canada did adopt the measures thus pointed
out, and it was but justice now that the pledge held out
should be fulfilled. He did not think the bill would lead to
smuggling, for the amount of duty bore no proportion to the
bulk, and it would not therefore answer the purpose of the
smuggler. The right hon. gentleman then proceeded to
reply to the arguments used by the several honourable mem-
bers who had during the evening opposed the proposition of
Lord Stanley, and contended that the measure. if passed,
would have the effect of fostering the agriculture of Canada,
without materially affecting that of Great Britain. The
growth of Canada was not sufficiently extensive to produce
any effect upon our home markets, however important it
might be to Canada to find for it an advantageous market.
The whole question was a small one as regarded England,
but it was one of great importance to Canada. In this view
of the case he was borne out by Lord Svdenham, who had
two years ago expressed his opinion of the importance of ad-
mitting Canadian produce into England duty free. He was
of opinion that no reasonable objection could be stated to
the measure, if fairly considered ; for there conld be no ques-
tion but its tendency would be beneficial both to this country
and to Canada.
The debate was then adjourned.