The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1843-11-28 00:00:00

LODOWNERS AND MANUFACTURERS.

:IPie"resPondent of the Times shows in a powerful
isv_er the remarkable inferiority of the manufacturers,
;tar,,°°dY, to the landowners, in their support of objects
the benefit of the poor.
treZdates from Manchester. He says, " Towards the
Itabo" of a new church for a manufacturing population
liaps In 4,000, with no resident landowner, the contr
like Were as follows :—Landowners and others not ma-
rturers, but exclusive of shopkeepers, £B9B ; manufac-
-42481 including £260 from one firm,* £4lB ; clergymen,
li
I
taiiun• e Parish comprising the above district, and con-
Neill' in all, about 12,000 souls, a subscription was
ed into last winter for the poor, chiefly manufac-
kutg• To this fund, which bad peculiar claims on the
ier s, they contributed not one-fifth of the whole, after
Ne"eting what they must have paid in the shape of poor-
%eßraise the sum. I have analysed the report, and
°owing is the result :

Subscrip-
tion.

Deduct
rate.

Net sub-
scription.

14.1
4 --owners and others 210 .... 20 .... 190
enufacturers .... 116 .. 60 .. 86
sl"gYm
eeen
Pkpers .
e
rePort of the National Society for 1811 contains an
not. of donations from Manchester to the amount of
6 12s. They were contributed as follows :—Manufac-
-7.118, £l4. 3s. ; others, £l2l. lls. ; uncertain, £23. 18s.
coal,
said that most of the manufacturers are dissenters,
coal, if true, would account for this mean and miserly
rtii Oct. Still, it might be supposed, that however they
t decline supporting the Church Educational Society,
lOorYwould do something for their own—the British and
titkelgtn School Society. But the reports of that institu-
lisers""i' a woful indifference to the education of the
m
that e under any shape. In 1837 the subscriptions to
itit4B°eietY amounted to £72. lis. 6d. Of this sum the
Ikeeufacturers contributed £2O ; others, £33. Hs. 6d. ;
hrtaio, £lB. 15s.
sel 1842 the snbscriptions to the Chester Diocesan
104°1 Society from the Manchester board were as fol-

Manufacturers
Landowners and others
Clergymen

.Z. s. d
. 13 5 0
. 193 0 6
. 43 8 6

The 249 14 0
totthse 'lumber of firms engaged in woollen, silk, and cot-
totorroudfrtures in Manchester and the immediate neigh-

- is about 1,50, and sum total of tr cntri-
the "na for the improvoement ofthe their workpeoolehei through
te,.°Perations of three educational societies is only £47.
toil and yet these men can give thousands for the promo-
?f. any selfish object of their own.i. The National
160 le!1, in their report in 1841, has given the names of
1811°Ps, peers, and peeresses, whose united contp-
their°4 amount to £8,260. Now, if a readiness to give
ieonli
111°Rey for the benefit of the poor be any evidence of
tilcern for their well-being, the mannfacturers can put
Of a very miserable claim. They have ample means.
Ao4rcioloting the temporal and spiritual welfare of their
thettP"Ple ; but, with very rare exceptions, they treat
friend in a district similar to that in which I reside,
ma recently built a school, chiefly for the children of
borittl.acturing parents, workers in mills, printworks, dye-
s' and handloom weavers. The cost of the erection
itite,nPwards of £1100; towards which the manufac-
brik,is contributed Z 76 or less than one-fourteenth of the
"'a; the landowners Lid others, £420 ; the clergy, £l3O.

Itatrph's firm is labouring in the most praiseworthy manner to
1,17 e the condition of their hands.
kep subscriptions towards the objects of the League, the
l'orko:° are sacrificing both the bodies and souls of their poor
Zl6t4)We at the shrine of Mammon, reported in the Times of
S',llia's,' amount to ..10,500 ; the subscribers (firms and indi-
ift' amount to 48. None of these subscribe to the National
`stir and only ei
to it arthe ght of em o t
only the
14s British and Foreign, and
contributions . 6d.

DOCK COMMITTEE.-THURSDA.Y.

would not be so deficient as was supposed; but if they
went on in this way, increasing at great cost, the rates
must inevitably be increased. The whole timber trade of
the port paid only £lO,OOO a year; yet here was a timber
dock, which cost £20,000 a year. The two other docks
would cost £40,000 each. The rates, he repeated, must
upon such a system be increased ; and, as trustees, they
could not enter into a consideration of the plans until they
knew the cost.

Mr. ToBIN said that the cost of timber docks was no
argument against their construction, for we could not
wisely exclude timber from our port. There had been a
good deal said about the cost of docks with which he did
not concur, but nothing about the great cost of ware-
houses. The Albert Dock would not do more, he be-
lieved, than any other dock.
Mr. ROYDEN said that at the Queen's Dock there was
accommodation for only two timber ships on the west
side. The Union Dock had for two years and a half been
filled with the ships lying up, out of the Brunswick Dock.
The Coburg Dock had little or no quay space for timber.
The Brunswick Dock might certainly do more, but it
contained many timber ships laid up. He contended, that
unless further dock accommodation were provided, en-
couragement would be given to the other side of the water.

EvANs inquired if all financial matters were to be
kept out of the discussion?
Mr. BARCLAY said that financial considerations were
entirely put down by the chairman.
Mr. EVANS said the new docks would entail an addi-
tional charge of not less than £65,000. 'With regard to
the south docks, the plans they had there were possibly
the best that, considering the land, the surveyor could
give them. But they were not even in the rough, and
there was no quay room left on the westward. These
plans, in fact, were such a wide departure from anything
that could be agreed to, that it was quite in vain to go
with them to parliament. With respect to the north
docks, he had a better opinion. He would not dwell
upon the necessity, if this scheme were carried out, of
increasing,the rate—already enormous. In the Prince's
Dock, the west side had scarcely ever been half worked
(for timber as we understood him)—a higher rate of
cartage of about is per 1000 feet being charged. He
referred on this point to Mr. Chilton.

Mr. CHILTON said he charged only the same for both
sides—taking them together.

Mr. EVAN-S
said that did not affect his argument, for
if the carters had nothing to do on the east side, the charge
would be more on the west, and (we understood him to
imply) the whole was now divided. The Albert Dock
would do much to relieve the pressure; as upon a large
scale in mechanics, a very small wedge produces the de-
sired effect. It would go far, indeed, to do away with the
present inconvenience. With respect to what Mr. Roy-
don had said of the Queen's Dock, a great deal was done
on the west side in deals, staves, and other miscellaneous
articles which properly belonged to the timber trade. It
had been stated that so far from being discouraged by
what was t 9 be done on the other side the river, we ought
to go on increasing our docks, and consequently our ex-
penditure. This doctrine was contrary to all commercial
experience. If a merchant heard of an article coming in
large quantities from another quarter, it would surely be
no reason that he should himself bring more than he
first intended or thought of before he heard of such other
supply ? It would rather induce him to pause before he
speculated further. And if the Cheshire people were about
to cover the whole floatable area of Wallasey Pool with
docks, at half or quarter the cost that we could build docks
for here, the question arose whether it was not better for
the community to take these docks. The owners of bonds
ought also to be considered. He repeated that the plans
produced would be inadmissible. They were rough and
inchoate. After all, they might come to the conclusion
that the north dock should be constructed first, and that
they should wait to see how that did, before they went
further. They could not with these plans go before the
council—much less to parliament.

The votes were then -taken on the amendment—that the
plans be adopted—and it was lost by 13 to 7.
No opposition was given to the original motion—that a
committee be appointed to consider the whole subject of
dock extension, and report.
The meeting then went to fix the number of members
who should constitute the committee of inquiry.
Mr. HoRsFALL moved thirteen, Mr. RIPLEY nine, as
sufficient and more practicable, and the other was with-
drawn. Mr. TOBIN moved, as an amendment, an open
committee of the whole body.

The amendment was lost by 16 to 4, and it was agreed
that the committee should consist of 9 ; to be chosen on
Thursday next.—The meeting then rose.

LITERARY NOTICES

A Tabular Contrast between State Affairs and the late
and present Government. By Philopatris. London :
C. Mitchell, Red Lion Court.

A small pamphlet, under this title, has just been pub-
lished by Mr. Mitchell, which we cannot sufficiently re-
commend to the perusal of our readers, and especially to
our operative friends, to whom it is principally addressed.
At the present moment, when the whig-radical faction are
so anxiously striving to throw dust in the eyes of those
classes, and to array them against the established institu-
tions of the country, its appearance is well timed, and it
would be admirably adapted for an extensive eirculation,
as an antidote to the seditious trash with which the league
press is inundating the country. We give as a specimen
of the work the following justly and well drawn Tabular
Contrast" between the effects of whig-radical and conser-
vative governments :
MELBOURNE MINISTRY

PEEL MINISTRY

The threatenings of a war Peace with every Foreign
with every Foreign Power Power.
especially.
A raging war with China. Peace in China.
War in Affghanistan. Peace in Affghanistan.
Boundary Question with Boundary Question finally
the United States un- settled.

settled. and a bad feeling

existing

The affairs of Canada un-

The affairs of Canada finally
settled.

settled.
A deep and rancorous spirit
existing between France
and England, with the
prospect of war.

Jealousy subdued between
France and England, and
every prospect of a con-
tinuation of good feeling,
insomuch that the Queen
of England visits the King
of the French.

Ireland on the eve of rebel-
lion.
An empty Exchequer—a de-
ficiency of some millions
in the Revenue.
Consols at 89.
Trade stagnant.
Great want of confidence in
the Government.

Effective means taken to
prevent rebellion. ^

The deficiency of the Reve-
nue supplied.

Consols at 96

Trade brisk

Confidence being gradually
restored. Money at a just
rate of interest. Bank full
of bullion.

Manufacturing parishes in
great and awful distress.

Iron, timber, and otherpro-
duce of the country at
ruinous prices.

The population of the coun-
try exceeding, by mil-
lions, Church accommo-
dation.