The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1833-02-15 00:00:00

proceeded. England paid for the
n.property and income from 1801 . . £152,258,710
ice of land and assessed taxes from 1823.
11 those taxes were repealed in Ireland

ir" Property and income &tint 1801 . . £152,258,710
vardice, and as a proof that they had abandoneuguce of, land and assessed taxes fiom 1823, o accomplish which, they had :been 'returned tclen those taxes were repealed in Ireland . 50,120,425
But, he would ask the house; 'of what use O. . , , , , , , . . 82,483,583
ng forward of that question, or rather of the aril . . , , , . , . . 24,934,541
port of it have been, when the very-mention ilea •
10,291,960
s one of debate, was interdicted by the addre ted cottons . ' . . • • . . 13,549,609
iti
he was now protesting ? To show, however,
m had not been abandoned from weakness of jaK a total of separate taxation on Great
ild say a few words on' this subject of the re lain of . . . £333,741,871
. The Union itself was but au act of l'ark . . .
ieal of it would but be an act of the legislature lug these facts he was not arguing against his country,
,4t
question came under the cognizance of this he believed that he was not a worse Irishman for endea-
!stion came before them as one of dismembe ag to do justice to the conduct of the people of England.
be as adverse to it as any bon. member cod r.) It might be said, however, that Ireland, by consum•
add be a more ardent lover of his country, and !natty of tax articles exported from this country, paid a
welfare than he was; but, he need hardly rtt,,n of oures. That brought him to an important part
not look upon the repeal as a measure of di' subject-namely, the increased consumption of the An hon. member, somewhat too philosophic%saries of life in Ireland since the union. The rapid increase
lig, had declared other night, in referenrto trade of Ireland since the union will appear from the
attnerated in trennial periods:-
, that there could not be two legislative bodietuwing table, which is taken on the averages of the years
ve; but he (Mr. O'Connell), appealed to
it that, with some exceptions, the Parliament ei
acticatly refuted the honourable member's It Years.
imports. Exports.
'arliament had been chargeu with rottenness; Its------------____
en more rotten than the English Parliament, etg7 £. £.
rliament which had last sat in that house?aa ' • • • • • .. 2,762,298 3,183,972
The object of ministers in the address was to1)3 ' • • • • • 3,013,021 3,077,446
..
-.:ussion of the important question of a repeta) " .• • • • , 4,164,985 5,125,984
and their conduct had been of a piece through° • ' • • .. .. 4,299,493 4,015,976
. life. He had been said, the other eveningv ' • • • .. .. 6,535,068 5,270,471
„
judgment, upon this question, to go by del • • • • . . , 6,008,273 6,291,275
is the fact? He had commenced the agitati _s• .. „ „ 7,491,890 8,454,918
uestion in 1801, and had advocated it in every 40re the alteration in the commercial laws regulating the in-
meeting since that period. Ile continued un . urse between the countries it is impossible to continue this
mancipation ; but lie refused emancipation, er iit, but there is no reason to doubt that no decrease of
e followed by a repeal of the Union. (Heat has taken place. The following table would prove the
,nt in Ireland had continued until the gut
riincrease which had taken place in the importation of the
egan to be agitated in England. He had alo 48 for manufactures into Ireland since the union :-
he measure of Parliamentary Reform in En en,ge of
nd, but as a means ; and he was induced to, " Years, 1 Woollen-yarn. Cotton-yarn. Cotton-wool
irs to stop the progress of agitation in years
wait the event of what might be proposed ! " 16. lb. lb.
Ile did wait, and saw an effectual lieft*. "77
8 428,960 d for England, and one of a similar tendet 1 857 883 783 l ; but, when it came to the turn of Ire 1793 811 5,,405 362,432
, usetess, and jejune bill was brought in, 0 1800 1,860 276,302 1,694,336
as he saw from the onset, was to be nut 1.811 1,880 558,396 1,256,192
'lion of the repeal of the Union was left te IV 465,057 952,036 4,686,752
668,452 1,279,374 2,873,862
the sitting of the reformed Parliament,' "AP
in, as it would appear, of justice being,' ~, 632,750 2,510,303 4,368,656
ue to Ireland.. But the ministers had met the sts,ol
nase,Particularly anxious that the hon. member for Bolton
ievances by the clause in the address, should attend to these statements, because
whidhat'd
s' Torreno
cans to ado to those grievances immeasurable if tated that Ireland would be ruined if she were to get rich,
imagine, because he did not bring forward People were to carry their capital there. (A laugh.) He
that there were no arguments to support it? r.twist
_. requested the attention of the hon. member for Oldham
imagine that they could put down the questi tt_ requested
who argued that the inhabitants of a district
itional war they had proclaimed and comme. Neverm! , wretched in exact proportion to the quantity of raw
ss ? The hon. and learned member then r 'la, which they worked up into manufactures. It might,
I Mr. Saurin, Lord Chief Justice Bushe, au ,be said that the improvement which he had pointed
r Plunkett on the Act of Union, which he dera la the cotton and woollen manufactures had taken place at
sire that was carried by the basest corrupllre expense of the linen trade, which was the staple manufac-
ractised in a state, and the most gross violatal, °f Ireland. That, however, was not the case. Nothing
of man and of nations. The hon. member tl-t ta°re common at the present moment than to raise a cry
read returns of exports of Irish produce, 0- particular branch of trade was declining, when, in fact,
Ireland of English manufactures and foreign sl,7(iwas only a diminution of profit.. The table which he
years immediately preceding and following Nen now read would prove there had been no decline of the
wing that they had much decreased since that
4.. trade in Ireland whilst, at the same time, there was a
only meant to show that lie had no desire te liest improvement in the cotton trade :-
scussion of the question--he was anxious to
t would yield nothing to brute force. NotIL Period. Linen. Cotton.
I Yards exported. Yards ditto.
a his thoughts than a dismemberment of his '
so much a lover of that country to entertain t 1777
rnt. Leave Ireland to herself, and in thro
1783 18,652,424 -
20,140,770 -
lischarge her own share of the debt. Why** 1790 34,191,754 -
aged for the debt of England ? But the Unrolls to England as to Ireland. How are the poor! 1800 36,112,369 9,147
1810 40,751,887 77,496
ad Scotland increased ? By the wretched PI
1820 48,265,711 503,392
acturcrs. The misery of Ireland was findi 1826 51,947,413 7,793,819
lof England, and would eventually, if not eh ,
n and impoverish her inhabitants. Peril 4 au stated facts, which could only be confuted by facts; no
A, that poor laws ought to be established in / pera.l declarations could shake their validity. Ireland was
5d they never would be inflicted on that -°„4l,lng a manufacturing country, and it was found that some
Ile was decided as to the impolicy of esta trues of manufacture which required hand labour could be
n Ireland, although if he wanted to court!, er, executed in Ireland than in England. It was curious
:ould serve it by advocating their introcil: t,oat some manufactures could be begun better in Ireland
I they would at first work well, they would es,a in England, and finished better in the latter country than
the rich, and what was then to become of theh Yt oulde be in the former. In this manner the interests of
vinced that they would operate as an Agraro Lwo countries were bound up together, and would it not be
y would finally produce ruin. (Cheers.) I:ll4etehed policy which should tell the people of Belfast "You
of threatening the government, but, if r',,v ~, "inplete the manufactures which cannot be so well finished
le voice of the people of Ireland would retlqs'Ou as at Manchester," and to the manufacturers of Man-
mnee, horrible, illegal, but not unsuccessfulatister to say "You shall commence your manufacturers,
ress at home ? Did not the government be cif ugh, you cannot do so as well as the manufacturers of
tarving and distressed manufacturers and 1,1 astr There was another mode of illustrating the improved
sdon alone there were 100,000 Irish. He 401 improving condition of Ireland, since those halcyon
of embellishing, (laughter;) he confined Y 8 which the learned gentleman had dwelt upon with' so
itch
t ministers reflect upon what must be the rapture ;he meant the consumption of the necessaries of
ms, when the announce of the intention to
lures in Ireland must suggest to them ho let-liTar, tea, coals, and to which he might add, tobacco.
~e %owing table would place the increase iu the consump-
s, and 'mothers. He was aware that he ha, "of these articles in an obvious light:-
:at length upon the attention of the house,
duty to do so, whilst there yet remained eel:ll(lrvsrze of
ty to Ireland. He would, day by day, rai'__, Years. Raw Sugar. Tea. Tobacco. Coals.
the unconstutional course which minister' ----a-J
it the sense of the people of England she'Cwt. Lb. Lb. Tons.-
ipon it, and for his part, he did not belief 1777 212,620 808,748 4,409,761 330,75.3
the people •of England was opposed to P 1783 140,662 1,703,855 4,261,639 227,557
sion.-(Hear, hear, hear.) 1798 184,406 1,858,791 2,939,559 354,395
said he hoped that the house would beat 1800 217,122 2,773,070 7,868,282 364,613
attempted to answer the hon. gentle 1811 330,299 3,340,334 8,364,147 516,573
may; 1820 , 269,499 3,316,021 4,146,454 675,910 indeed, the eloquence of the hon. member, '
18-6 301,903 3,548,293 3,818,636 711,876
as on a perfect equality with him as regard
1830 321 199 *3,887,955 4,060,077 796,773
e land of his birth. (Hear.) In what he IT arc) a - '
house he would deal chiefly with matters ofear 1832 312,701 - 4,153,302 1.851,424
on. member for Dublin in the statements '.---:•••
-and thanking him sincerely for havinglit Year ending Jan. 5, 1828. f Year ended Jan. 5, 1831.
r to prove before the parliament of the
tat there was another article which would also exhibit proof of
he legislative union had been productive e, creased consumption to the house, and which was the more
was unnecessary for him to undertake to r"rthy of notice, as the consumption was by no means conse-
had not been injurious to England, becola,e,ti,t upon a reduced duty. The article he alluded to was
country had such a thing been even for'nusitY• (Hear, and a laugh.) Hon. members might laugh,
. The right hon. gent. at some length deftnt he quoted the consumption of whisky lest it should be said
l the charge of neglecting the interests Oke had founded his case exclusively on the consumption of the
many instances to show that they had unirg.!ssaries of life. ( Hear.) The consumption stood thus:-
he most zealous of its advocates and 1.11
Triennial
proceed to consider the financial condit.'t 'Triennial Home Spirits. Periods. Home Spirits.
Ind after the union. Time inference whir
_..____ l
d member wished to be drawn from his Gallons Gallons.
I point was, that Ireland was prosperous 7 1782 , 076,85.5
1790 2,599,576
had become wretched since that periods,' 1783 "1,771,513 1 2d. 1800 4,149,429
sw the matter really stood. This was a qu',. 17144 1,436,50.2 8,
1810 3,666,329
lee by facts, and therefore he trustee '1
18•20 3,849,298
attend to the statement which he was all 1792 3520 082
1826 6,645,276
the income of Ireland was £1,190,(X/0, au ' 17( " '
J 3 3,436 440 Is• 2d. 1830 9,137,015
150,000. During the ten succeeding year' bed ' ' - •
it on increasing in the ratio of nearly double...._ -` 3,036,353
Two 183'2 8,857,605
tears.
at the termination of this period the „''' .1.----,_
whilst the ..latter amounted to 1:5,893,t001ti 'tete was another subject to which he was anxious to direct
union, after providing for the interest °f /le
,etteation, not only of the English members, but of those
charges upon the -Irish revenue, th
eseri'" taembers who were in the habit of asserting that the Im-
surplus of .£460,0UU to defray
lilitary, and political administration of Ire u I
the exPep','"i'tt Pnrha ent bad done nothing for Ireland. The better to
, abouteab-e the homuse to enter into the full force of the facts he was
e at the starting point. Now, did the aces to (.4_
think that the affairs of the country. coot of union ii::, it should be stated beforehand, that by the articles
imperial parliament was bound to continue the
a surplus of £460,000? At the period e- payment of
the Exchequers, the charge fur the inter habit of votia,,
tae sums which the Irish parliament were in the
r e, for time purposes of charity, literature (schools,) sd amounted to £5,900,660, whilst the in and maaa'aetures-thal is, £73,277 per annum. The contract 0(X), leaving a deficiency of 1:20(),000. was to be biedi_ --
f. things which should induce any one tc Lion. was, had n.g f twenty years and no lonaer. The ques-
tee (?1. penal parliament honestly fulfilled this
edition of Ireland would be bettered b contract ? Let thereirned gentleman and the other advocates
e legislature. And now with respect to of repeal come forward and prove that they had not, and they
iod of the union there was in Ireland I would then, at least in that strop point, make out a case for a
sorses, and servants, besides another to: repeal. (Hear, soar., s)
in the speeches of Mr. Grattan, as being imperial parliament) Lint, so to from the fact being that the
had not fulfilled the contract-that is, paid
ievances of which the people of that coil C 1,465,540 ( 73 ,r,
44. -I:
''',l multiplied by £2O)-it had actually voted
ueant the hearth-tax. Those taxes were. rust less wan £6,w9,000.
a imperial Parliament, but, on the commit thus :- (Hear, hear.) The account stood
• it.-He would now turn his attention ti. Sums voted before the union for encouragement of £
At the time of the union duties were init. Manufactures, charity,
and schools . . • 73,277
ion of raw commodities, a solecism in let To this the legislature stood pledged
for twenty years.
nost unexampled. All bacon, beef,'live 0. ...Such grants would have been . . . . 1,465,540
paid a duty upon exportation. In add; The amount granted b y the imperial
regular system of corn laws establisher been . • • • parliament
6,979,000
has
nd Ireland, as complete as that now eif. Thus
itain and the continent. No man liviol ~.i n i.., , . . . 5 513 460
the excess granted by
• • • , ,
Parliament since the un-
deny that the exportation of corn ani- (iluear, hear.) But that was not all. The following sums were
:ountry, since the union, had been be" .expended in public works in Ireland since the union, either by a empire. It had been said that the expl-
,, en,l4a, gift, or otherwise, in addition to the large sums which he raw produce was a proof of the poverty ---"1 just quoted :-
f its wealth ; but did net the creation 0, . Laatia friim Consolidated Fund-roads, rar-
e to the labourer, and was he not. hours_ boards of health, bridges, relief and
e labour which he performed? (Hear.) eto 1 •
of 6 432,105 3 ldi
Pto boards
poor, &c. • • .
s from a country was the measure of th
• • . dining there, which, after all, was the i' 2,532,790 15 1
Repayments
land. The members who attacked rat ' .
• , • 3,899,314 8 91
yards Ireland did not recollect the se •if which no less . £564,000 Os. 2d was for public
nd paid. From all the taxes which p . works and employment of the poor. (Hear, hear.) There was
Balance
a sum than
England, Ireland not only claimed, b &Mother item connected with this outlay of the publics money
1
,n. He would state to the house some
to which the separate taxatien of Gr,at