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to conclude that it was defunct, and not a few who bore
the Protestant name would have been quite glad to say
of it requiescat in pace. For his part, however, he would
muc.a rather say esto perpetua, as long as the times re-
quire it. (Cheers.) The chairman had mentioned Wick-
liff, the morning star of the reformation, which reminded
him of an anecdote told of him. In his boldness in the
cause of truth, Wicidiff caused great consternation in the
minds of the friars, and on one occasion he was very ill
when a number of them surrounded his bed. He lay for
some time in such a state that it was believed he was
dead, and those near were congratulating themselves on
the removal of their great opponent, when he suddenly
opened his eyes, and said with fervour, " I am not dead, but
live, and shall confound the lies of the friars." (Cheers.)
So he hoped would the Protestant Association. He trusted
it would awake to life, and, like a giant refreshed, prove
too strong for the enemy. (Loud cheers.) He was quite
aware that sneers had been cast upon our Protestant
meetings, not only by enemies but by pretended friends
to the cause, and he thought such friends, if they disap-
proved of them, would have done well to have pointed
out a substitute for them as a means of defence for our
common Protestantism. (Cheers.) For his part he could
not understand the great tenderness with which it was
wished they should regard error, and he was glad this
state of things was not to continue, but that these meet-
hugs were to he revived. (L:td cheers.) The resolution
which he had to move pointed out a very plain duty—the
duty of contending earnestly for the faith once delivered
to the saints, and in the performance of this duty much
obloquy had been thrown upon them, and in proportion
as a man would be faithful as a soldier of our Lord Jesus
Christ, in the same proportion must he expect obloquy
and derision from the world around. (Hear, hear.) Efforts
and strenuous efforts were, however, required, for Popery
was making great strides and receiving great encouragement
even in this country. It was very strange that the experience
of the past was lost upon us. What had they been told
when protesting against the Roman Catholic Emancipation
bill? Why if this were only granted, Ireland would be
tranquillized—that all would be sweat peace, serenity,
and sunshine, where turbulence, storm, and anarchy had
reigned. But what was the result ?—this healing mea-
sure as it had been called, had produced no healing effect
in Ireland, but just the reverse. Our legislature had gone
on making concession after concession, and instead of
rendering popery inoccuous it was ten times more turbu-
lent than ever. (Hear. hear.) What then was to be done
for Ireland ? Why take away popery and they would
very soon find the beneficial effects of such a measure.
There was great reason for the duty inculcated in the
resolution, because it was a duty we owe to ourselves to
maintain the protest against popery by every legal, con-
stitutional, and Christian means—it was a duty we owed
to our children, to our country—because real liberty is
bound up in our Protestantism. (Loud cheers.) The
rev. gentleman then referred to Macaulay's History of
England, and to the lives of the Queen's of England, by
Miss Edgeworth, a Protestant lady, but who had distorted
facts, so that he felt it his duty to administer the caution
that all therein stated should not be taken for granted.
In truth, she was very little to be relied upon where a
Popish or a Protestant Sovereign was the subject. (Hear,
hear.) The rev. gentleman concluded by moving the
resolution, and resumed his seat amid loud cheers.
The Rev. Dr. CARPENTER rose to second the motion,
and was most enthusiastically received. In proposing the
resolution, they professed to be guided by a certain pre-
cept in the Word of God, i.e., that we should earnestly
contend for the faith once delivered to the saints. This
command they would find in the general epistle of Jude,
and the circumstances under which it was given were very
remarkable. It was thus, as described by the apostle :
" For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were
before of old ordained to this condemnation—( He was not
applying this to Romanism)—ungodly men, turning the
grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the
only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." He was
only stating this to show that in the days when Jude wrote,
there were men in the visible church who had crept in and
were corrupting it—they, therefore, re-echoed the words

—" Ye should earnestly- 'contend for the faith which was
once delivered unto the saints," and especially when that
faith is assailed. He repeated—it was now their Jay to
contend for that faith which is founded on the Word of
God, because men have departed from it and would
lead many more to follow their pernicious ways. (Hear,
hear.) It was far more congenial to his feelings rather
to confine himself to his district—it was contrary to his
taste to come forward on the public platform and take
part in public meetings, but there were times when it was
necessary to deny oneself and do something not altogether
agreeable. (Cheers.) He had come forward at the mis-
sionary meeting to manifest his love for missions, and had
he not then appeared some might think he was no Pro-
testant; but, (added the rev. Dr.) my friends. the longer
1 live, the more Protestant I become, and I hope it will
continue to grow with my growth, and strengthen with
my strength, and I hope to die as I live—a Protestant.
( Loud cheers.) He was there, then, to manifest his Pro-
testantism, and he trusted he should induce them to agree
with him that they ought to protest against the principles
and practices of Rome. There was another passage from
the Word of God to which he wished to call attention.
When Paul, the Apostle, was before King Agrippa, Festus
said,—" It seemeth to me unreasonable to send a prisoner
and not withal to signify the crimes laid against him,"
and it would seem to him ( Dr. C.) illiberal to ask them
to condemn the principles and practices of Rome, without
showing the grounds for it. (Cheers.) When a number
of men were lately put upon their trial for high treason
in Ireland, though every one in the world knew they
were guilty, they pleaded not guilty. This was an
old Irish trick, for. hundreds of times he had hoard
papists charged with practices contrary to the Word
of God, and they had uniformly and invariably denied
it. (Hear, hear.) He had frequently heard members of
the Church of Rome charged with praying to God through
the merits of saints, and lie had as frequently, he might
say, heard that charge denied, and he did not remember
a single instance in which they had pleaded guilty to that
charge. They hip said they prayed through the inter-
cession of saints just as they would ask them to pray for
one another, but they never asked for the mediation of
saints. The Rev. Dr. then produced a Roman Missal,
published by Rockliffe and Duckworth, for the use of the
laity, at page 18 of which was the following prayer :
" We beseech thee 0 Lord, by the merits of thy Saints,
whose relics are here, and of all the Saints, that thou
wouldst vouchsafe to forgive me my sins." (Hear, hear.)
If any doubted there was the book to read for himself.
(Cheers.) The. Rev. Gentleman then quoted another
prayer, offered through the merits of blessed Osmond ;
and a third, " that the glorious merits of our blessed
Mary Magdalene may make our offerings acceptable" to
God. He asked would they protest against that, or
would they stand by the Word of God ? (Yes, yes.)
Again the Church of Rome had often been charged
with leaving out of her catechisms the second command-
ment, which prohibited the worship of images, or the
bowing down to them, though it was found in the
Bible, and found too in the Bible of the Church of
Rome—(hear, hear)—but in the catechism he held
in his hand, which was that of Dr. James Butler, revised
by the Bishops for the use of Ireland, it was omitted al-
together. Was it, therefore, too much to protest against
that sort of dealing with the Word of the living God ?
(Cheers.) The rev. speaker next produced a book enti-
tled " An Abridgment of Christian Doctrine, with proofs
from Scripture, revised by the Rev. J. Doyle, for the use
of Maynooth," from which he quoted as follows :
" When is theft a mortal sin ? A. When the thing sto-
len is of considerable value, or causeth considerable hurt
to our neighbour." And the Scripture text referred to
was I. Cor. vi. 10. But he confessed he saw no distinc-
tion between mortal and venial sins. From the same
book the speaker produced other proofs showing that the
Church of Rome worships saints and angels, and garbles
the Scriptures to countenance her idolatry in that respect.
In the catechism she asserted, in answer to the question
" What is the Mass ? " that it was the sacrifice of the
body and blood of Christ, which are really present under
the appearance of bread and wine, which are offered to
God by the priest for the living and the dead. Against
this he quoted several passages from the Bible, proving
that Christ was once offered for the sins of the world—
that he was not to offer himself often—and that, having
made one atonement for all, he has sat down at
the right hand of God. The rev. gentleman concluded a
powerful speech with the relation of several most inte-
resting anecdotes, illustrative of the effects of the truths
of the Bible when pointed out to Roman Catholics, and
resumed his seat amid loud cheers.

TOWN COUNCIL PROCEEDINGS

On Wednesday an adjourned meeting of the Town
Council was held at the Town-hall.

Mr. S. Ho!mu, in moving the confirmation of the pro-
ceedings of the Improvement Committee, stated that that
committee had decided upon expending some money upon
the improvement of the cast side of Lime-street, and that
afterwards they intended to improve Elliot-street and
Dale-street. Proceedings confirmed.
The Education Committee reported that there were 1019
children in the North School, and 722 in the South.
The Town-hall Committee recommended that Mr.
Wharton be appointed keeper of the Town-hall, in the
room of Mr. Solomon, at a salary of £2OO per annum ;
that Thomas Edwards be appointed keeper of the Judges'
lodgings, at two guineas per week; and that John Jones
be appointed Mayor's servant, at £5O per annum.
In reply to a question from Mr. H. Hornoy,

The Aron. stated that Wharton and Edwards bad
each promised to allow out of their salaries £3O a year to
Mr. Solomon, and £l5 a year to Mrs. Solomon, during
the lifetime of the latter.

The resolution, having been put from the chair, was
unanimously carried ; after which a collection was made
for the purpose of defraying the expense of the meeting.

The Rev: D, JAMES rose to propose the next resolu-
tion, and was greeted with loud applause. He said, after
all, the question had to be argued, and he was prepared
to argue it, if time permitted, and would show the great
value of Protestant truth when brought home to the

This promise was considered unsatisfactory; and upon
the motion of Mr. Hornby, the whole subject was referred
back for consideration, with instructions that no allowance
be made to the outgoing officers by the incoming ones.
The proceedings of the Water Committee gave rise to a
very animated discussion, in which the Pike scheme was

hearts and consciences of Roman Catholics. (Cheers.)
The resolution he had to propose commended the estab-
lishment of the Christian religion as a blessing to the
State; whilst it condemned the establishment of Popery
as one of those sins which would be a reproach to any
people. The rev. gentleman then referred to a pamphlet
of Dr. Wiseman, on the supremacy of the Pope. This
was the point behind which the Romanist, when beaten
in argument, generally sheltered himself—behind the
supremacy cf the Pope as successor of St. Peter, and the
assumed infallibility of the Church of Rome. They were
prepared to meet them on their own ground, to attack
their citadel, and show that the supremacy of :the Pope
was a fiction, and that the infallibility of the Church
was without truth and reason in the Scriptures,
He was prepared to show that even if they ad_
milted the Church of Rome to be true in her tenets
and pure in her principles, that after all she had
not the least right to exercise any authority over the
subjects of Queen Victoria. (Cheers,) When they looked
at the subject, they found this to be the fact, that the
first Christian church was established at Jerusalem by
our Saviour himself, and superintended by his Apostles,
and especially by one called his brother, i. e. St. James.
On the Day of Pentecost, in the year thirty-three of our
Redeemer, when the spirit was poured out, and thousands
were present, not less than fifteen dialects, or languages,
were mentioned, and amongst the rest strangers from
Rome, who, having received the Holy Spirit and in-
struction through the preaching of the Apostles, went
home and established a church. After that, Philip went
to Samaria, and introduced the Christian religion, to
whom the Apostles sent Peter and John on a visit. They
would afterwards find Peter went to Antioch, and if at
any time he did go to Rome, and sat there as President
over the Christian Church, which was maintained by the
Church of Rome, he (the speaker) still contended that
that did not give the Bishopof Rome any supremacy, for
whoever succeeded him at Samaria or at Antioch had
a superior claim to have the keys, if keys there be,
to open the Kingdom of Heaven. (Hear, and cheers.)
If, however, the Church of Rome had any apostolic
authority at all, it was derived from St. Paul, and not
Peter; for when St. Paul writes to the Romani in the
year 60, he mentions no less than twenty-six eminent
Christiana, tw ) of whom had actually a church in their

again discussed, and the probability of the income meet-
ing the expenditure was commented upon by Mr. Nicoll,
Mr. Bennett, and Mr. Harbord. Eventually the proceed-
ings of the Committee were confirmed.
The Committee on Local Rates recommended that the
Corporation bear half the expense of promoting the bills
through Parliament, for the rating of the Corporate and
Dock Estate.

This recommendation caused a long and somewhat
angry discussion to arise.—Mr. T. B. HORSPALL opposed
it strongly, and with great eloquence and ability; so also
did Mr. ATKIN.-Mr. S. HoLmE supported it, and
eventually an amendment, moved by Mr. HORSFALL,
that the subject be referred back, was lost by a majority
of 30 to 15.—A memorial from the operative porters was
laid on the table.—There were four motions on the
paper; but, at half-past five o'clock, there not being
twenty-two members present, the Council were counted
out, and the Mayor announced that, if these motions
were to be revived, due notice must be given of them for
the meeting in January.

own house; but no mention is made of Peter. (Hear,
hear.) He then proceeded to contend that the Christian
religion was introduced into Britain long before Austin, THE MORNING CHRONICLE AND THE BANK
the monk, visited the country—that the venerable father CHARTER OF 1844
of the celebrated Caractacus, who had been detained for
seven years a hostage at Rome for his son's loyalty, re-
turned in the year 59, along with four missionaries, one
of whom was Aristobulus, mentioned by St. Paul—that TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD
they established the Christian church—that bishops were SlR,—Many of your readers are doubtless aware that
established and consecrated—that in the second century the editor of the Morning Chronicle has recently favoured
therewas anEpiscopalChurch in this land—that thischurch the public with a series of articles respecting the evidence
was represented at the Council of Arles in 314, nearly three given before the Committee on Commercial Distress.
hundred years before Austin's arrival in the country. The Whether the object of this writer be to display the extra-
Church of Wales never wholly submitted to the Church ordinary power inherent in Sir Robert Peel's Bank Char-
of Rome. It was often obliged to give way to it, but at ter, to maintain the convertibility of bank notes into gold,
last again regained its entire independence, and now or to prepare the right hon. baronet's supporters with a
claims its descent, not from Rome or St. Peter at all, but few hints for the coming session, I must leave your
from the great Apostle of the Gentiles. ( Loud cheers.) readers to determine for themselves. The writer of these
The rev. gentleman then, in eloquent terms, showed the essays has exercised considerable ingenuity in attempting
peculiar advantages of Protestantism as compared with to expose what he considers to be the fallacies of those
Popery, and appealed to his audience to be prepared for who are opposed to the principles of this act, including
the coming struggle between the two principles. if they Mr. Glyn, Mr. Gurney, and Mr. Tooke. Having, as he
valued genuine liberty and pure Christianity, and sat down terms it, " grappled with the tenets" of these gentlemen,
amid loud cheers. he has now commenced an attempt to analyse the evi-
The Rev. T. NOLAN, on coming forward to second the dence of Mr. W. Brown, the member for South Lanes-
resolution, was received with enthusiastic applause. He shire, and that of Mr. Wylie, a merchant in Liverpool.
delivered a most excellent address. We find also on the 9th instant that he has stepped out

CORRESPONDENCE.

EVIDENCE OF WILLIAM DROWN, ESQ., M.P,

The resolution was then put, and carried unanimously. of his course to utter his denunciations against the " Li-
The Rev. CHAIRMAN, in closing the business of the verpol Currency Association," which he styles a " con.
evening, strongly urged his hearers to be prepared for the clave," and the " putative child of that Financial Asso-
coming struggle between voluntaryism leagued with Po- ciation whose fiscal discoveries have lately enlightened
pery, and the friends of established order—to hold fast the public."
the truths of religion ; and in the exercise of their oppo- Without being called upon to adopt the separate opi-
sition, to do it firmly, unitedly, but in quietness, sobriety, nions of each o these parties, it may not be altogether
and without offence

useless to examine how far the views Of this writer have

A vote of thanks was passed to the Chairman, by accla- any claim to public attention. He begins by paying his
mation, after which the meeting separated. compliments to Mr. Brown "as a merchant" ; but he is
" compelled to pronounce his notions on currency and
THE LYING-IN-HOSPITAL.—The seventh annual meet- banking to be crude, ill-digested, and contradictory";
ing of this valuable institution was held on Thursday, and further, that he " cannot identify Mr. Brown's opi-
and was respectably attended. The Mayor presided. His nions, on monetary questions, with any distinct school
worship remarked on the admirable manner in which the or theory"; that Mr. Brown " qualifies his assertions,
institution was conducted, lamented that in but two places upon any definite point of doctrine on which his opinion
of worship had collections been made during the year, is desired, with a sometimes', an occasionally', or a
and recommended an application to the Council for aid. much to be said on both sides'."
The report showed that during the past year 155 patients Now a thorough examination of the evidence of Mr,
had been admitted; and 110 attended at their homes— Brown entirely falsifies these assertions. It is true that
total 255. But one child had died, and eleven were still- Mr. Brown has not advanced his opinions upon any sub-
born. The receipts had been £2BO, and the expenditure ject with a dogmatical assurance, that is frequently as-
£32o. It was hoped the public would liberally come for- Burned by men of far less experience than himself in com-
ward to support so excellent and humane an institution. mercial transactions ; but in the whole course of his oxa-
THE HEALTH COMMITTEE.—At the sitting on Thurs- mination his answers to questions " upon any definite
day, there were only five members present—Mr. Tinne in point of doctrine" are given in language unqualified and
the chair. The report was favourable as regarded the unequivocal. He is called upon by that committee to
health of the town. The increase of deaths in the past give evidence as a merchant, and not as a banker ; and it
week had been 12 over the previous week, but 15 fewer is only when he is called upon for his opinions on ques-
than the week before that. The three cases of Asiatic tions connected with the latter that he has expressed him-
cholera in Carlton-street—a man, and his wife and child self in qualified terms ; but whenever he is called upon to
—have proved fats]. They arrived on Monday from express an opinion on the commercial transactions of this
Dumfries, via Annan, where the disease was prevalent, country, he does so in the most decided language, and with
and the man and woman died on Tuesday and the child a degree of confidence which can only be possessed by a
on Wednesday. No case of the same disease had origin- person of his long and extensive experience in the mer-
ated in Liverpool. The inspector of nuisances made his cantile world. We may therefore deny, without hesita-
usual report, showing the number of nuisances removed, tion, the imputed contradictions of this gentleman's evi-
and the number of cellars not fit for habitations cleared deuce. It was not to be expected that Mr. Brown would
out, &c. The Health Committee have taken every pre- be called upon to form a new Direction for the Bank, or
caution in the neighbourhood where the fatal cases of establ'sh a new mode of issuing paper money. I have
cholera have occurred, with a view of preventing the alraedy stated that he was called upon as a merchant, to
spread of the disease. All the courts and passages near give his evidence ; and as a witness who has lived through
have been thoroughly cleaned. all the commercial panics which have occurred during the
WEST DERBY GUARDIANS, WEDNESDAY.—A letter last half century, both in war and peace, his opinions
from the Poor-law. Board was read, sanctioning the upon the operations of an act which, if permitted to exer-
appointment of Mr. Morley as collector of poor rates for cise the extent of its power, would have prostrated the
the township of Everton. An injunction, signed by the commerce of the country in ruins, and left the Bank in a
Commissioners for administrating the laws of relief of the state of insolvency, are invaluable.
poor in England, had been sent to the Board, ordering By comparing the remarks of the writer in the Chroni-
the dismissal of Peter Arrowsmith from the office of cle with the evidence of Mr. Brown, it will be found that
assistant overseer of the Great Crosby district. Mr. he has entirely neglected those parts in which that gentle-
Sidney, in accordance with the notice given by him a fort- man confines his views to facts—such as the separation
night since, moved that a suitable building be obtained to of the bank and issue department, the amount of notes
be used as an industrial school, and that the present in reserve for discounts, and the small proportion of
workhouse be enlarged, so as to meet the present require- specie to the amount of liabilities in the bank department.
ments. Some discussion ensued, but no one having Also the "absurdity" of maintaining so large an amount
seconded the motion, it fell to the ground. It was how- of bullion in the issue department, while the liabilities to
ever agreed that the law clerk should write to the Poor- depositors is not secured by a shilling in the pound.
law Board, for an answer to a motion for enlarging the On these points the evidence of such a witness as Mr.
house, proposed by the Rev. Mr. Badnall in June last, Brown is of the highest importance, and his opinions are
and forwarded to them, but to which they had not yet
replied. In answer to a question from the Board, the
Poor-law Board stated it was quite sufficient for the sub-
stitute of a medical officer, were he duly licensed, to prac-
tice as a medical man within the meaning of sec. 109 of
4 and 5 William IV.
DOCK COMMITTEE, THURSDAY.—A resolution of the
Shipowners' Association, on the propriety of deepening
the Queen's Dock, was referred to the Sub-committee of
Works.—A presentment of the Grand Jury at the Quar-
ter Sessions was read, complaining of the furious driving
of spring carts, and of the great inconvenience and danger
which resulted from the practice of landing and embark-
ing passengers, in sea-going boats, at the stairs appro-
priated to the Seacombe and other boats. The receipt of
the presentment was ordered to be acknowledged, but the
committee did not consider the matters complained of
came under their jurisdiction.—Mr. Poole was appointed
a member of the Marine and Master Porters' Sub-com-
mittee.—lt was resolved not to fill up the vacancy in the
Warehouse Sub-committee until after the present com-
mittee had presented their report, recommending reduc-
tions to the extent of nearly £2,000 a-year. Mr.,Aikin
was glad to find that his idea of the possibility of saving
£l,OOO a-year was likely to turn out not so very absurd.
—Mr. Holme referred to the erroneous opinions which
prevailed as to the rate of interest derived from the Albert
Dock and warehouses, and proposed that a correct and
clear statement should be furnished, in order to set the
matter at rest. It was stated that the accounts would be
brought before the committee in a week or two, and if
they were not in a satisfactory state, an order on the sub-
ject. would be then made.
THE SELECT VESTRY.—At the meeting on Tuesday,
Rector Campbell in the chair, a deputation waited from
the inhabitants of Abercromby Ward, who had held a
meeting, and were averse to increasing the fever sheds in
Brownlow-hill, so that they might be available in case of
cholera breaking out. The deputation suggested that the
sheds should be removed to a distance outside the town.
A long discussion ensued, and the Chairman said he did
not think cholera patients would be sent to the sheds, but
no pledge would be given.—Mr. Shimmin was called in,
and reprimanded by the Chairman for tampering with the
register, and advised to be more careful in future.—Miss
Parry was appointed mistress to the Workhouse, at a m-
ita y of £25 per annum.—Premises were ordered to be
obtained in Christian-street and Mcorfields for additional
dispensaries.—The committee resolved that all medical
appointments should be annual.—ln answer to a question,
it was stated that cholera patients would not be removed,
but houses of refuge would be established for the recep-
tion of healthy persons from infectious neighbourhoods.
—A letter was read from Mr. Rounthwaite, of the City
of Dublin Company, relative to some remarks made by
Mr. Ferguson on the charge made for paupers to and
from Dublin, but the subject of it was not entertained.—
Mr. Bennett said he considered some remarks made in
last Friday's Mercury, in reference to Mr. Earle, were
totally without foundation. Mr. Earle said he was quite
careless of anything written in some of the newspapers.
He had, in days gone by, appreciated the opinions ema-
nating from the Mercury, but he must be compelled to
state that the profligate and reckless character of the pre-
sent emanations of that paper were quite undeserving of
notice.—There was no further business.

unanswerable