The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1843-11-07 00:00:00

VVN COUNCIL PROCEEDIN

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"Rletil meeting of the To en Council was held at the
a" on Tuesday for the purpose of taking into
eration and determining inin, upon the special proceed-
ii°tlttif the Dock Committe's, on the subject of further
t doaeLeftmodation north and south of the present line
keteebs, Comprising a resolution passed by that body on
Jeet of a notice to parliament.
itil.,,,P4RxErt rose and said, he wished to be informed
'te toWn-clerk whether gentlemen holding shares in
pparrington Dock Company could take any part in
ita;'esetit discussion, or record their votes on the sub-
The
keleh crws-CLERK said, the question must necessarily
ellh efore the council that day, as to whether the coon-
Illeet9 give a notice for a bill in parliament to enable
Ite4t9ek trustees to purchase the Harrington estate. This
~eigia°l'!tnust arise, if no other question should ; and he
4eip,,lT Prepared to reply to Mr. Parker, if the council
bit Pt advisable.
k.kr 11,AttkEit again pressed for an answer.
"tp uttANtLev-MooRE considered Mr. Parker's ques-
L BR
AK
Y Proper one ; because, if there were any gen-
te' ,t • Present who were interested in the Harrington
heldi' would be desirable to know whether or not they
llhei,e.lastified in remaining in the room.
Ittred Nr-cLEax asked, whether his opinion was re-
that particular stage of the proceedings?
EpOtto tk°IITH begged to interpose. He could not con-
k!egio.ue Town-clerk giving any opinion ; and., without
the basis of what the Town-clerk's opinion might
:II"Illd for himself state the determination to which
tid ~etirne upon the subject. It was this—that he
ii gpteot, either directly or indirectly, take part in the
taiarrie' or vote on the question of the purchase of the
purl estate. He had a direct interest in that es-
a member of the council he was anxious that
p,,"ase should be made, and thought that it was the
I,'ltip,"" interest of the Dock Committee to make it
a;lttoetriber of the Harrington Dock Company, he
'4iiii,ll.last the sale, and thought that other and better
"gilt be adopted.
ieitt°etjThe To
Nv,NscLEak said, the municipal act laid it down
Cilithqtnat no member should vote upon any matter
O• -ereould be himself a partner, or have any pe-
ljre ttist. At present, there was nothing whatever
r,l,lek: Council which related to the Harrington estate ;
w,"ak N'ew very well, that upon the proceedings of the
h.,?itl4r.ltnittee being read, a very important question
eit"„etl:se, which would have reference to the Harring-
to,e estate. He apprehended th.at. he would riot be
iietlet,tr.ider the circumstances, by giving an opinion on
to,l„,tiopl°ll which he supposed would arise. The first
toikke,,ould be, whether a part owner of the Harring-
,ort`,estate, being a member of the council,. could
~;I:(e any part in any discussion relating to a notice
147,erti,'ention of the trustees to go to parliament for
et",,,de i'dPurchase the Harrington Dock estate. Now, he
ej liteer,'""Y of opinion, that no such member could vote
th4theiatt in any such discussion. He was also of poi-
k: 00,,L! on the question of warehouses on the LIl rring-
teerei; estate, members ought to be governed by the
~,tets6as applied to the first question, namely, that
ki‘ cr of the Harrington Dock estate ought to take
liN,ltel:„l3,te in any such discussions. (Hear,. bear.)
'teed Borne further discussion, it was decided that the
,11gs should be read.
41, eroeeedings of the Dock Committee having been
it Alt.
litNetp moved the following resolution :7" That
Oelieriient that a special meeting of the council should
take i for an early day after the 9th of November next,
kt'tit 'lto Consideration the subject of going to podia-
ftlth (h P,ower to purchase land, &c., to the north and
tliti.,,eto or either) of the present line of docks, for
tott„,'o9k accommodation; and also for power to make
,21,:-_tlnication by water from the proposed new north
rip4astwardly, to the Leeds and Liverpool Canal, and
1p rata:4B.e
uneland necessary for that purpose ; and that, in
eth', the Dock Committee should be at liberty
be.reouisite parliamentary notices, all proceedings
elng subject to the determination of the trus•
,9the,council), at the special meeting to be called after
b'lr,Nt;'°venaber, next."
eetoi tFot, seconded the motion.
the Otions of the Shipowners' Association, in favour
,!iitoto_roPosed purchases by the Dock Committee, were
eci to the council by the Mayor. The same reso-
leeWere read in the proceedings of the Dock Com-
fit ir•
/0,91,G50N said he would propose a previous r.no-
-I),,aileich he hoped the council would see the propriety
iltould readily assent to it. He wished to separate
ti,l4 of
ntni:stion. He wished to have a general expres-
-otolled on the subject of warehouses, and he pro-
-4ioo'n Principle. He wished to move, as a previous
►nR 4, hat the Dock Committee be precluded from
t4telioe°titce or taking any steps as to the building of
etipiese,s by the said committee. The Dock Commit-
a resolution that they would not. allow ware-
.:Pedie`l,l° enter into the question, not on principle but on
me
„/%. He (Mr. Hodgson) proceeded on
buildpe
-lieges that it was wrong to ask to ware-
eha with the public money. He was asked where was
111,11 Y, triZt", going for the notices. He answered, gene-
o It was absurd to give notice for that which
bb4tetta--",, be made use of. Mr. Hodgson proceeded to
1,18 some length, that to bring warehouses, built
of h trust and with public money, into competition
Driv:▪ r,ehOuses belonging to individuals, was an invasion
"e,_4tii,"`e rights; and concluded by moving the amend-
'ye set
forth.
t,Yeeti;`°lttgav moved the following amendment to die-
ii",4,!lea that
of Mr. Hodgson :—" That in the event of this ,
lte'eee f'` ving authority to the Dock Committee to issue
th,d thel't
Pr application to parliament for power to ex- 1
Otrmißß'l4 tO 'resent doc accommod, its oinion of
atioit
that they shall includeation in thee, aidthe notices the
,
• erect warehouses round all or any of the
out
r°tlee▪ E RN this motion could not be received with-
it e,i Poor
kiat by m-ki' became the mover of the resolution sub-
heottla bll%.llornby, which stood as an amendment,
food
Retitle discussed without notice.
tstatellen present connected_ with the Harrington
111417' were Messrs. North, Hornby, Stew_ ar...t,
irgias 'ell, (as a trustee,) Kilshaw, Lace, and Sir
NiQ3-„,r.,aneker.
I,,he inte-07, Mr. Kilshaw, and Mr. Lace severally declared
ete,,, though tonti not to vote or take any part in the discus-
it was understood that they might be pre-
VD!' 4,
said it had been stated that they would, in
eit the arehouses on new docks, be violating a compact
tti,,doeloaw,lrehouse owners. It was, however, the exist-
h;(l°,ilt vvei.e alone alluded to,
sap the word " ex-
ItoLitt th oeen inserted for the expre urpose of pre-
eA'etiri„e,aPPlication to new docks, for the purpose of
iktate? tne future. Mr. Evans, after speaking of the
eljt,'ilti,,,,erence of the north over the south for docks,
b,"" the subject should lie over, and that a
that it
tp,N4aPPointed to inquire into the case, and that it
klet on its general merits. When they came to
both question he would show that in fire insurances
‘)1°,1)0or matters Liverpool was sustaining a loss of
A'aPer annum under the present system.
4etithat said it was not with respect to m0n0".,,e
".,,e should vote against warehouses ; it was on
ph:at greatest monopoly would be the patron-
ktbitOeilTell warehouses would give to any party who
tough,.° be in power. There was another thing which
;il4eett
u'irwrong. He believed that no less than £170,000
Ott eta ailedey expended in the half warehouses, as they
Motrekl to, on the Albert Dock. If this were so, lie
o
heZnOw where it would end. If the warehouses
004tenult hy private capital he would not object to
404(19e would not part with the public money. to
kNeoill In buildings that would not pay, and which
it 4 like tote injuriously with private warehouses. He
the`° Know, from the Chairman of the Dock COM-
At' PrObable cost of the warehouses in question.
ya„ns said it would be about nine guineas per
tletheeo but a great portion of the expense would
lt,4thlnctirred in making the foundation of the clock
I°,oofieWarehouses had heen built or not. The sum
therefore was not for warehouses only.
4i. vINTALL—But it is the public money that is
; for the public benefit.
e:oo;!tvit'h'"Ald..—lt can't be for the public benefit to
tehgle or'.' Public money against private property. It
Ot°tlseßitlF4)le that I stand up against the building of
y,,NteoWith the public money.
Larth t' contended that it would be inexpedient to
ltiqltiit.o,Nses on the docks in question. Ile thought,
Ng. hnle ohPer time arrived for warehouses to be erected,
the quays of the central docks.
010,_
et etit ' IAWRENCE said he would vote for the
Ile shipowners advised that they should
tloiP' Yard of land to the south up as far as
,ttehttti;: He thought it
actinidewou be wise to do so.
oce if Ink they would be ither with wisdom
111444 sthheY were to say in a decided manner that
k °old not be built on the quays of the new
llPl;inatin
k4h‘ge %,;4°N said they had no objection to the ertc-
iti;teePes iharehouses. Their objection was merely to
1.4.) h-" which it was proposed to build them. They.
11.'11,`,lironave them built so that they would not injure
Skeerty
~40e.r
tOtph, tiolt, said the proposal was directly against
ItilP,N'ty-f,,gaori had just advocated, for it was to take
eb,s4,c t ~-"ana private holders and incorporate it with
Veftrteorie tor,",,st,. 2•To such compact as that which had
'and
been entered into. He was one of the
iitOekstfl." the word existing was inserted to prevent
i the fro
coming within the clause. He should
‘'ll. " arne d ,ype Act ment.
Vee'"es 'aid there was an implied contract that no
tdluould be built till the Albert Warehouses
'e°' He was in favour of warehouses deci-
,e,tutk
'Othtbee4:l.l" contended that the proposal was directly
4Gpt 1341)1.1.4
t of the compact. They might as well ex-
''e of
thepurchase of ships for the
Y,fl'ZakkeePing freights 1 wP
s• ee said he believed it was understood that
NVeesa trieTe not to be built till the Albert warehouses
'litlattp„,,' and he believed no gentleman would have
L't elie;"-iPt to violate that compact. Now, how-
;,lltihNlici,ed the movement was with the warehouse
,briVtt was forcinc, this matter for the purpose of
Iteo erection of warehouses on the quays of the
I.(eiri‘eltklliooke. n
htii&to DN'„B,id it was true that they had no intention
t 0 t oo„3,ll"attent and he was now prepared to show
not to to parliament at all. According
k7kti!ttTea a to-olg o,f the pgaortiesopposed to him, they ought
Vlianaent now, fr th experiment had not
th,„''' allusion to a returners ade for the purpose
'he
fontvv of dock accommodation, Mr. Aikin
,„11 , ast
tl?4r Years we have not had any increase
eiNa"le Nsuet, I. snowed that since 1840 there had been a
hot off in the tonnage entering the port urgent necesity to proceed to parli•