The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1833-05-14 00:00:00

as
acrd., cheered—yet
P111:1;:a01 Iletidw il ---.....1.1.0 conventionexceie(l
•
ehets, a the nobleord in
he could not help thinkint7that
to de ninon
protocolling, and diplomatic
antics, yet that he 'was out-diploma-
learned
Y is sup% spirit of humMoonstmen in those arts upon which
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?°Bition' ,se'l
artlerseir to' ne, however dealing" parts at least of diplo-
, must say, that if France proposed it
Perhaps he was wrong in the
ptolicy, she had eminently
ercial interests of the country. ntry were toss bier rasa 'flake Engatl suicidally the instrument of injury
I PALMERSTON said, that if the coup member, f cosildseia
.nciple laid down by the honourable
the sake ono Hog noble lord oi embroil us with those two ancient
succeeded
3d. him; of sacrificing her honour,
at the S 105_ 0
ila tiplacted
ou“t4 and
i_ Porto
hat if , with whom we had so intimately
[vantages, we should soon find tn isteneei erj6ceegal 0• r Honour and gia
follow the loss of political indePe_ had sae,sl tisould
_Plaion laid dowonerest.—( Hear.) With respect to
by the learned Solicitor-General,
lose the very object for which we a to fu wartended",lY observe t
Hoban sion
r. The refusal of the King of his rejek, . g field haseT consult a the learned gentleman had con-
ents which he had entered into; st wateh;a ist the
... earned, that of the underwriters at Lloyd's, he
his_cousta
ml that was made to him;
~„ not bali;ut'svoait'ispollsibilitof though the law might release them
unity of again conquering aeselgtuuiessores, oars _see' t
,y
honour
insurances affected by the embargo,
luntry in having recourse to coercivet
JO SO. lielite/for\e_ere tatontior
v,ny and commercial usage would not.—
it absolutely imperative upon 11? war, 851(1 Milt) for
ell any busyeinr ir, indeed, the case would be des-
sad advised his Majesty to go "°hich °duly .
s)g tting up a shame dling minister, that might have a
eel in doing, the inconveniences Svc_ instils
.., Ts
4t4te was
__end war, should think it fit to impose an
from that procedure would have been nosy., ea 7 41.0.4 halase,n to all commercial confidence if the
;hose of which the honourable rn.einu that evil lei our i ss?'-la. he y commercial honour.
eyed cO. At Neil, gged hon.members opposite in •
ters, however, had desired to ,
w„ the rla he bak renee is th
de. The hon. member said that it
~, he as
a,„0i1.% ~et 'e et. \lvo,. e affairs of the Netherlands began
ry to protect the weak against thecaer?litiepoo i,l
th „„tithat, i e °IIIY folloivngt°ll's government, and that their suc-
so, and contended that we had a
ro
_ed to trid sr es&
eti the h present 'di up the policy of that interference;
present transaction. We had lute f7one }lie i ,ti ,
Bt e al, thw-- .y those h scussion, the main question was care-
mance of war between the Dutch on tn 11
jos', l root that c end, an , on. members whether, as a means to
ans on the otheb and though, nuineros 1831Pealsreurssed ytpetter course could have been followed
superior to the Dutch, the
wasexperience clear, tb" re asr Essex li dhe noble Foreign Secretary. The hon.
.tter were the stronger nation. It
oainst thee Dejthe ilvat, of
ritaticooll this, as on other occasions, attempted
:ountry was protecting the weal'. Netinst taborne h.ri; ineniber . e over the policy of his noble friend ;
1, by preventing the Dutch from su..l „,.. Thes,4 obier,r7 been
confident[
recollect that a prophecy and a
yoke which they had resolved to cas!'_°„'stcoest state
the
end
would fidently promulgated in that house, that
[id he was at a loss to conceive how t,nel'inbarge:estiosly „Pease of not be able by all his negotiations to pre-
iations justified the continuance often the hon, o'r ii gi34eits of
811.tauriope for twelve months (hear,) and that '
expected that he should explain tinuallee anti)' 0 '44 • gLual het vlng_off a terrible war was the dismem-
e point upon which depended the con anxious
,0
bier aus
Cheat France (loud cries of " Hear,")
nee of the embargo : all he could, eu
frii i\iaa theatule prohhet and doctrinaire was no less a
state was that the government were, tseco%al Se flir But ". member himself. "Hear, hear," and
ountry and Holland from the pressur,e.'!,; tijsy l',o edove:t least,, noblee friend had preserved the peace of
at the earliest possible moment at svltOl'e'boktstids'.4 ,hei„
tto pr..we e twelve months, and Flanders was not
stently with the objects which they s_efithis c°
_.,;'' aher`rt c.[l6 ;e__ • It should be recollected that though,"
and consistently with the interests i!eri in suk/re',l [N ii,Nciole'S a matter of very little moment to Hol-
member, however, was entirely suss eel} soaLans itrip4,9,e slhi,,was death to the national independence of
ressure of the embargo was excins" eiri to iffii j•i!
eUrazJeilos a.va'", therefore, in which the latter resisted
ry. He (Lord Palmerston) did not mean t 0 vikt_ of ti!ly ft it for v!..0,1ie of patriotism; that in which the for-
ing
interest, which was engaged in theeo,..oo tr 4 eati,"`ear),„..,llr. of
of petty commercial
necessarily suffer some incouvenitmLe'; that
114
cc, ' pinit, indeed, somewhat akin to the cha-
e present state of things; but he
.s.llsanothe.o I,ktiosi'Nsthio
lel of trade was closed againstour ship
..wins t, „es _ ieat„ of the bona fault, and hesitates dislike,"
. The hon. member was aware, th,tuitedP,Mblil 4t,fOrm) ttit- member against France. (Loud cries
nstanees, the Baltic trade was very ilft'osiotiraalfo, l'sall."l.epeo,l'e„bon. member would fail in his amiable
ice circumstances were removed, an ci'ieh woo wsei,' ralo4jeolighteenot both France and England were now too
t naturally be anticipated this year, weuniher, 10sca°' tislltl oes and aate.d to be influenced by unworthy commer-
ieut to the shipping. The hon. 113
tint of a f ii,lo,„P_Pressire Pool antipathies, which only led to bloody
tated his case. He estimated the rune tiottallaw eS, I.R. py 4nd h,... ourdens, that marred and checked their
and British manufactures exported !!), wore oif :19 7 lord si,'L eoZSPerity. (Cheers.)
;ry at about £4,600,000, which he salLi.ality.. ilbL :In to ,40 had justnot but admire the skill with which the
utch vessels under the cover of neutroat 001:00 tso e t0..,[ addressed the house had avoided all
it was evident that the embargo had ride
al . f Sr.) Wire ille'n'.'l_'! question before it—namely, whether the
and our shipping also. The reciPr
,ide Sers,, toe'
.. of hVesoirlisia principle and efficient in practice.—
member for Worcester said, all on one a ,eve 7, gre„,„,_.)4. srie,, ,rd'S statement might be all correct, and
3, however, did.pressupon Holland,, he Ili'e'isi at
letviise' whether 4 (Alderman Thompson) all wrong ; but
he hon. member seen a petition wb'el trhellies 1 00fr,e....,a5d wh_.thhe embaygo was an efficient instrument
; Majesty the King of the Nethelaa were f,' } ed i',ll iipon
an whether its beingr..lischarged against Holland
Amsterdam, in which the inconveniences..,,.o ,r s
of P
~tt(Q Was whi; seriously injure those who devised and
:eel from the continuance of the en 113,70060 that
.'etes,„', after i„"Y Untouched by it (Hear.) The right
[rth ? Without meaning to say. that ty,"
_r tsal't to Isis
!,ded tote the soleetating; the animadversions of Mr. Baring,
ber was founded upon an motives etn;,nor les Start, , ass, .tor-General's "legitimacy" proposition,
d himself avowed, he muststate, for 11,e.":the pi.o"01; lei,.he lit.is:" admitting he policy of the noble Foreign
hopes were entertained in Holland
pressure
of tfstosl
~11'eass"politie taiind expedient in principle, he yet thought
try would be relieyed from the press!feasle,'lst 'llvro as ..(IWarcis i, unnecessarily oppress British interests
h they began to find to be far from agra`ra ie Ito, ,iNjy lileollstit (3. attainment. He objected against the
ons and motions to be brought fore' roe
,e 0
tieh,..4 aef6cien!ltional, he would say illegal, in principle,
sr.) Until, therefore, he was better
ire' hoorc. To .. '4
P ,itlelY, ti most .t 2 in practice. He also objected to it as
cont he had been by the speech of t: ~.f co. ...,, 0 i
th
~ at th_ !,!_angerous and unconstitutional.precedent
I inue to believe that the measure.
_L.',o 015.0:iie i! 411rit4Urown might at its mere will impose an
operative upon Holland as some per'fiii,sel:s 4
di te Ruse of this eentraeree. (Hear, hear.) As a check
ased. Until the measures were accoT ered !, Isis., k (essa g'ad that noblengerous exercise of the produce
,aid of which the government COns'
refswoo!, --eo,riPoforin the lord had consented to produce
:aid hold out no hopes that the erabargo4oo 1 geet 4,:m not wat,i,oo, for without that parliament—the only
hon. member had criticised the intecrirrertedol, Ir'' IA 4.lltnent co interfere. He could not conceive a
put upon the order in council which
a_
nave
_lO, t, . th, ~oagainst the embargo than the important
ips having perishable cargoes. He w, :ii ,ii i f
,11)04,:loyd,''Jicitor-General—namely, that the under-
daints existed upon that point, but to. q'o 5,0 s o he alep of the not responsible for ihe consequences to
soilsle for the execution of the ord.eirlnspectip.,
, „of tha'llieed ni embargo. Could any argunalat, he re-
it was necessary
informto exercise some c 1 'cut ,0 aPa, 1 s'orei„,! ebaba ore demonstrative of the injugM and im-
t, he would just the house tbassosetelsti, ,ilt ee°,l SeerergO ?—(H,ear, hear.) But then, said the
made for the discharge of the ship ,noseil bads, "itt,..,;"l'ollitic,`arY, the same principle which would jus-
under the provisions of the order ill L ober
otter, . !es of ottl!i, o *Hand to accept our award by force—by
Isle cargoes. (A laugh.) The hon. 'tritish arioa; ;111.he la:itigalitrori justify us in attaining our object by
:h ships were principally insured '
by that stA:OO e t:4110 °lnati hostility. (Hear.) He denied the .posi-
id it not in his power to contradict jou 00 r4it. of tthe ()ens knew of no vacillating neuter, neither
wed he was correct in stating,.that oi;Y„tiotasrea c .
,ilgahl'eate a,,!,r, state; it treated of, and recognized only,
sh subjects against the detention an"'isiot'i, o.fotlf, t'q hadeinbagli War. He, therefore, denied the right of
; of his Majesty was an illegal transilc"_,,, fru;,otb•
.sehe het even
attain
unless in a state of declared war; and as
in-
principle of the constitution. (.. I-le%ios; bulb
, 7 t.4°lteoied 'tejl attempted any injury against British
Hon. members cheered that observ°ool3oo iser '1
, e ‘,ltig tPlati 01 right of such coercive means of carrying
ate to assert that if his Majesty, actingto the illec.te ti'l "
etheee genet negotiation. He did not raise a question
esponsible advisers, subject of course ur of rA. t. arli tallds ;al policy of our interference in the affairs
hone tse I rt. Otte tike cofined h. lf h' • t' ' fr
ants thought it necessary for the , oso , roe we,h, h %ml_ imse to t e injus ice, me 1-
: recourse to hostile operations agonise'. and to., 0 ,
~ a ili
,011. ay._ attonal character of the embargo. Indeed,
al for any British subject to interpos
." ollia .
iskersiaT arra7noer who opened the debate, nor those who
the subJects of that state. The fornt.l,°tise w buol eke, Vile errligined the noble lord's foreign policy while
eome under the consideration of the °taboo, !eot ' i'vhirhrld that:'argo as seriously detrimental to British
pportunity of offering further explan„ fireo
i:tl/),„,„ otily
could, while it had not the effect upon the
stance occur to render it desirable ; 11" jai ,„4,1 •cit q,,s. justify its adoption. There was one
ssary for him to say more. re owl', lio 7 40,^e to he 'lon connected with this embargo to which
r. LYALL said that it was impossible tn c0u0.1.0. Ati.nd to e cat satisfactory answer—namely, whether
en out of employment by the embarg°losor
.10-di
isai'liti,Fitht3intlyte it to an indefinite period in virtue of
tin any other direction. The hon. 111:titio000, ,P.ie, a,,l_lars to Z. French government (Hear.) It would
Ln a low tone of voice, to refer to aP f ttooutia i ,:t forgi!itshiehinu that an embargo so unconstitutional in
:rstood) had been drawn up in the city ?nos, to io "t
a of'illeh it 7°lls in practice, and so inefficient for the
signed by the most wealthy, respeel'eeseet.rse tio";lloa,..a. esav 'as. designed, should be continued in con-
:hauts, against the embargo. With rl.st 1! ilk' oth, afar tirsention with France. (Hear, hear.) He
loctrine of the noble lord would be
cs/cre soliork i ,Lea3l,i_gs(l4,such was not the case, that the noble lord
of war • but he understood that we ss „obi' (otos: 11' thaT ante BO great an absurdity—to use the mildest
fear.) 'ln spite of the sneers of the I:,,tliPtias,, .the LL this jilt() such a dishonourable convention. At
set p feeling a sort of compassionate sy.lnysiaerSoe 'Si ) t ;al: deei".sOloschievously inoperative embargo was bu-
ll was impossible to allow mere 034eollec.Poste i'Ltal h° te/ahr,,r,el, that it would defeat instead of forward
::ial interest altogether to efface the nitwit wetot • laea trie7e,Sl by it. He maintained the same opinion
connexion with that country—of ho ling of 'tosef ,i tsehetk stat'°_,re it would terminate within its original
:e collateral ancestors of the present , to Ni'
povela of wa ell, and would repeat, that an embargo was
rmination of that monarch appeared ~,be 104 i oqllls,ie_r, which could not, from its very nature,
:ulties of his situation. The conduct oi.e`sorrooi:, i'ilirC p44..(T-preserving negotiation. The noble' Pay.
buy reminded him of that of his prede. sof ii',g 01, 314 ranee t: ~lad been rather Critical upon the observa-
who, when he was pressed by. the forces be.sirlAii,i "1.14 as _"' ranee of the hou. member for Essex, cha-
, and by this country by sea, his territoa_bo,s,, i5,,,,at9f,,
11,1 sat „a characteristic—.
ly inundated, replied to the English
wM ;,,;,a1101i; eQ,estlre:nts a fault and hesitates dislike"
that his country would be ruined, " I •• the 1 ettle
iNial'i rare (Bear. He would answer the noble lord
seing my country ruined by perishing I.l„litikog
or"`
,wsiion_e_nce to the policy of the noble lord's col-
itted, however, that the cases were 11°` so" 'lllitt, 'ind, that other line of the couplet:.- 3
VlO , '44 6‘6 wound, and yet afraid to strike."'
he Sotaerroa-GEsenaL begged .0
..wrss, re, , k sae e Co_ (" Hear," and a laugh.)
ttion of the liability of English unt'd sato,. oill",:d t`..lk(l4,Net. 'Their
policy was au illustration ot these
t the hon. meruber who spoke last 4..n0, li!oft,' ;cis ti other
effect embargo was a telem imbelle, sine ictu,
pathy which he felt for thel e '.7o,othivria.,' rlJapaiei part
~,, than rousing a spirit of indomitable re-
e, that when Holland attracted s.Veattibehcii heart.';les ofuithe Dutch, and enlisting on theii side the
nailer times, her conduct was very di'
heo ``tyi sl) (!'-..............
Aiid toe commercial population of England.
was at present pursuing. She was t,
~t 50..„36;,, ,hotti„,..
,`,l',4s —and it ever should be—
exerting herself against tyranny, ii,uiegitolo ti' i
i A ()0;;"Idg the ..e.ven-handed Justice
Lelfunder governments which supportetcf doe; ,‘„, kt,t. own ii esll,l,gredients of our poison'd chalice
s the opposition.) He spoke ot leg"issicaisti , shAe "rla t :,—(Cheers.)
sh it was used by the Holy Alliance,,,ro..lo; ,telk ae'vertioteki be rose in consequence of the appeal
n liberal institutions all over the w`.4ealsoa fei"; 1;14(!ilt Ventrea., ,nt by the honourable baronet. The mo-
-1 the same quarter.) The King of hilesoVescl „,0f„ rsatt.ea the conduct of the King of the Nether-
self to bring those whom he called liiirotr,),,e `[tire he jeetKr..°)f opinion. All he could say was, that
en his dominion, and under those circa,or, peaby P 111 eph ledgin 11andS had never given his consent to any
_Os,' erl y sle ne • g the s •of Belgiumand
it the sympathy of Englishmen. _as; ,e a; 0 i , far xu,a
witheparation
tr. BARING said that the sentimentsilinjt 1,00 41ear., the in,,_ such conditions as would render it
gentleman were quite novel, an",c of l'e the ~d At t! It ~,,,.‘TendellCC of Belgium to be maintained.
:piails- reserved for the reformed 1-1011,k of Ls! NI +ma isain:,_s. or the house, then, to consider whether
;ulaily incongruous to hear a law 011 tarpaitres4 :14: the ,r`!.'n the existing embargo, with a view to
nee an attachment to legitimacy, aretether,yl)l.. vtlstat; of ail'
e'le,nt state of things. No man could doubt
for persecution, fur so lie must desitsu i Ile% Ply klli. 5 ; but s'rargo must be injurious to the commerce
King of Holland had experienced., a`ciee ',41.,1! Q tiatisreible ujnust every act be which partook in any
ture to offer advice to one who sold o aisilvad,e , liis, wh ouai character,ob. the )purpose ot which was to
augh)—he would recommend the hob f law, ajit!'o lit getteether it J:el.The question for the house to con-
onfine himself in future to questions °,lskor',,si ,i i ,!Itib,r_al poli.,_ °ould be desirable, taking into considera-
h extraordiriary opinions on policy ii3O,sell'es!" !estr_go; ,r'3'.__, f the country, to put an end to the
es would not have been Liam Odin that
,"oli iltrire f.,'• , "der'qtpersevewrneether it would not be referable for the
stitutional principles were quite as I:ititsev_esti Po
,the C lie ° secure in the course they bad hitherto adopt-
sentmoment, without being visited ' „Id Ova a r, are, hear. and maintain the general peace of
s noble lord said that if anybody weeTiochlee resets .j• riiarded it) He admitted the embargo to be an
y would see how beautifully he had I
sat I.sthbo ; vilear, as a much less evil than a war on the
is. The subject was a very dry one' osJ Ye 0,40 tit,ttee Ofd interfere) The question then, was, whether
ong as he could keep his eyes opeo,,tat, th se tir
, it k
litle
,_llsaei,interference o remove the embargo, when the
['sent as much at a loss to ltnow '
iv
pero they
) .43e estio,,._n must be to
_prevent the settle-
cing at as he was before he began to
of
.eiv,i'it i,,lti,
oss w"J,II, leer dispute, and, indeed, to put them
re could understand the present sta,".o voOth
,ros 11'41 he we_ IQ ptt"tll..l. ad to war on the continent ? (Hear,
he King of Holland said that the by, kit tarn Si Or ttent of a" to the house whether it would be pos-
need the mediation, he would not salt-0000. f I (iiq is vie government
breaking out between Holland and
y two of the five, the others having:v.,' to yell,[, ‘ttilt.) lew—the haelit to effect that which they had al-
non because force had been apPoe, the i svlo le 4.,
0,,, tie
was preservation of the peace of Europe?
ushers aware of the mighty object fol, t c
1 4' tic tioo ththe eoer4rneut to most ready to allow that it was the
l commerce was thus paralyzed,4 "1, Olivet Is
~ Rig
dr!lntrs, but take every step to relieve the com-
pute was, whether Holland should
."•eiiisi,...sl i‘.4, at re wet, to
the
he contended that the government
ording to the usage of centuries, of ,L'ail tie av:ts, Rail to th"e", adoption of coercive measures, could
.Ider ?—(llear.) He fedied that in of ':ittete;l;' nonour of the country, do otherwise
s, after all, but a puppet in the hall the.!,,til)),e,
lornaey, who so skilfully represente 4to bos., el,
lw, he was as ardent an advocate for b'otoeivor
ions with France as any man in the solo, oril
os the s,
npromise the honour nor oppre , froa
' that desirable object.—(" Hear,