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ie to the house, to which he begged to call th, ij
,e..
tion. It was the case of a lady, the sister of to;
led officers, all of whom died while engaged in
t „v
eir country. She was left with the cadre)? !nu,
ters to pio.yide for, and she was also blg:l.r;
e support.of an aged father ; yet not one f Ln:
rnment, even after repeated applications, r' .:t.
in consideration of the services of her gagil
his present Majesty was appointed Lord High
451
s by Isis kindness she was put in possession
lad} .0;
.he begged to put the case of this young il
that of Miss Rosamond Croker. (Cheefs:?s
ted to have been to give the largest pens'l-60
services had been performed; but he h0pe,0,,,d
:iple would be acted- upon in that reformed,;a 0
as, hear.) Sir Robert Seppings, a man who niao 11
try hundreds of. thousands of pounds, and ,ai
.e service upwards of 50 years, was put do:s
ad only 39 years, that his pension might nenrti
1. The gallant admiral next called the atte
to the condition of the pursers in the of
:died as a most valuable class of persons, and
claims were not sufficiently attended to by
sets
Lad no doubt that he should be told that pur
their fortune. That might be the case du'
,he per centage allowed them hail been gr(
: that period. He did hope that the First
drafty would turn his attention to the sit
acted class of persons, and do them so'
R. If pensions were taken from the uncles,.
I be plenty of money to bestow on the raeritor!,
) With respect to sinecures, all he would
,to
se conceived the principle which had heels
of granting a specific sum as the slot-
eut services, such as those of Sir F. Foley
iarez, for example, worthy of co*sideration.
e did not remain solely with7the First -at
irality. If it were made compirsory nn t
)se a vote for eminent services, he should Pre
traordinary remuneration to a sine.cAre arr
rested solely with him he should,prefer the
ad some remarks to offer also on the system
:ommand of the marines to officers of an
i he should submit on a future occasion.
HUMS could not, for the soul of him, see on -,
s could justify their keeping such an enormel
force. We were at peace with the world, so that
ion was the protection of our commerce ; but
was not required for that purpose. America l''
very nearly equal to ours, and. yet six vesaca i,,
to efficiently protect the American flag all, 01 i
we
trap up a force of 118 fully equipped sail ° ,
eof sports, to protect our commercial 11,'
I not half this force be sufficient for the purpose g
Don them to at once reduce the naval expendit.
'2, before the war, but to act on the recommen
committee of 1817, and adapt the amount to
)mmensurately to their enormous taxation.
.esirable end, he would propose as an am'
it vote be reduced from 27,000 seamen to 20,000,
to the wants of the country.
G. Youxu had heard with great satisfaction that
'as growing so popular that they might, ore long,
to the odious system of impressment. (Ilear').
i brought that subject forward, he would in tin
n, by moving that it be.referred to a select CO'i,
C. Itoss, amid much roughing and cries of
Stood to say that he doubted much the advant;
tion of the Navy and Victualling Boards.
require at least twelve months more before the
s (Sir J. Graham) predictions were realized.
GUEST did not think the circumstances of the
of a reduction to the extent proposed by the n°'-^e'
esex, and therefore could not vote for his „,1 ,
I have no objection to reduce the number by 2,t'v
committee then divided:—
For Mr. Hume's amendment............ • • ..".
Against it

Majority
)ur re-admission to the gallery we found ov to
lIUME proposing an amendment to reduce the
•mmittee, 9:3.5,220 for the wages of seamen,
. Nothing, he said, could• be more objectico
t mode of lumping and huddling together. under
cat
" wages of seamen," the salaries of admirals 'the t
officers, including sinecurists. Why not, as'
state each officer's pay under its proper lwau_ witio
t huddling mode was retained from the facilities
sinecures and useless oces. • l fall
• GRAHAM said the offices alluded to did not fair. were
ation of sinecures. These marine appointment!oes,
men, as best acquainted with the discipline
p on board men-of-war.
r some discussion, the committeb divided.
For the Amendment
Against it

f 0
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.. • 0
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14°

Majority
original vote was then agreed to. °4
sum of £438,004 was then voted for vietualo f

s.
house resumed, and the Chairman reported P 1
leave to sit again.

IRISH CIIURCIL v
ALT/TOR? postponed the resolutions relative to the
to Monday next. aWie
Scotch Revenue Bill went through committee,
clt
!erect to be receied ts day
Stafford Briberyvßill, hi
Bill, as amended, was read a se°-onoll
KENNEDY moved the second reading of the
Bill. a seco"
1. STEWART objected to this bill being read-
t of its not having been printed.
second reading was accordingly ostponed.
TUESDAY. t fice.'ed
gallery was not opened till a quarter pas-
uence of there being a ballot for three c.olavold
n petitions, impeachingihe returns for the I_,,iitsf
a, the borough of Ripon, and the city of Cc"
HOUSE AND WINDOW TAX.
Sheriffs of London appeared at the har.eoua
Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Common
London, against the house and window-tO.
LIVERPOOL ELECTION. .01.23w-
order of the day for the attendance of fteriv
the bar was then read; and immediately aevo
sled in and placed at the bar. She wats„tinck
Speaker. Her answers were very Mcus",-
lery, indeed the greater part of them werfora
Are give the examination, however, as We
it is your name ?—Elizabeth Robinson.: 0600;
were summoned as a witness on the Last"—
ttee, were you not ?—Yes.
were asked questions by that committee
to answer, were you not ?—Yes.
.t was your reason for declining to m's life,
--,Because I was in apprehension for my op
were in apprehension of risk to your Pe.l:rofra,
the questions put to you?—l was afrai.
• o
ed them.
is not from any wish, then, to conoeal
Ltee that you declined to answer ?--1 .".,a5 k
ned what I knew they would take my I"eii vet"
you the same feeling of alarm now whie4forei
!lined to answer the questions put to you uti,Ebij,
'—The witness gave. an answer of some .1,51.11°`
y words audible in the gallery were " "3.. Olt
you been threatened by any one, or hasteo'you
supposing that any harm will apPell 0-bog
answer ?—I have been threatened by

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Ir. ROBINSON.-Will you state to the ?:tlqtieo.
is who threatened you if you answered tu
committee ?—I dare not tell. •
al
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witness was then ordered to withdraw., 101
BANNERMAN (the chairman of the ',.otneo
tee) then moved that the order for the''''
discharged.

fr°l-1' in

BEramseconded the motion, but, - aid
le occupied under the gallery, what be s
7as inaudible in the gallery.
ElumE could not assent to this propositi°e'srittl"
one question—was the evidence of this
..000i,
? The subject matter into which the .c.,,,135'
ire was bribery; and if the witness on
vhether bribes had been. given, and 1100'1
declined to answer, the whole inqsuirY
supposing she were now disoharged• a 0:131
BENETT again addressed the house, °that d
iaudible. We understood him to saYi I.ooot
he committee had in view would nut be P
witness any further questions. 'al it
HENNIKER (we believe) said that to I'l
1 that this witness should
bepressed thst° t 'I
iee had now sat for five days; and all Paid
before it was that 132 3s. (id. had Vol ut- o.i
tncss was called to prove that a bribe t tell',
ered and received;. and she would O',• the
f the person who paid, or the name °cis bet
the bribe. If the house did not Pre-ed. je.
le whole inquiry might as well be stoPP atidib
3EEETT again spoke, and was again
Dn. Member (name unknown) said teAe so;
which the house was called on to de‘,lideoffid
ness justified in refusing to give,elier rr► at
s, that Some person had threateliL,.o act' 0",
gave evidence. Now,, he apinct'e'iost
England sufficient to protect her 01;3000 ye et'
Me witness, in his opinion, ought their,
e grounds which she had stated. Poe 611
could be made acquainted with the

threatened..(Htheeapr,oohreawio.)man, as he might be one of the
t culprit's
_BlRioeE said that the real question at issue was whether
',Tee Ivaruld allow itself to be stopped in any investigation
other
averment of the party themselves, unsupported,
ni,le
tmalence, that they had been intimidated from
ai:,,r, Firth ? (Hear, hear.) He was inclined, from the
til'ce, of the witness at the bar, to think that she had
k house hen when she* said that she had been threatened;
al ,st`L'se.enght not to consider that point so much as the
beroinaciples involved in a case of this nature. It Might
31.4litillafter of discretion with the committee whether
hat the this witness to the bar of the house or not; but
/Llght t?_ eniumittee had brought the witness before them,
4, h 4 as‘nt the house would not discharge its duty, either
Id ,etterrer, it it let the question drop ; On the cOntrary,
and t Inducements to the timid witness to be timid over-
ti„,ceo.the corrupt witness to screen his corruption by
eirthin his rower. If the house should acquiesce in
it ‘ 13 witness under the circumstances which she had
spuld acquiesce in that in which he was certain that
~) ustice in the country would acquiesce for a mu-
e4r, bear.) In a word, if the house acquiesced in
'lv proposed, it would be unworthy to exercise ju-
-1:11s* again, and ought to abdicate them entirely in
Popar
said that he had come to the same conclusion
_ atis member fur Cambridge. If the witness still
>l' force-war, be saw no alternative but resorting to that
• which the house had always hitherto employed
instance.
'rt,lll" begged leave, as chairman of the committee,
s..e members of the committee had gone as far as
harm as far as the law could protect her.
Le ; suggested
to that if the time for reflection were
to7„-Iless till to•morrow, and some friend were in the
okit-,'cise her, she might then, perhaps, he induced
now 'ate ther'
ef'ore advised that she should be ciis-
itur;,,-41" brought again to the bar to-morrow.
tionse-,111.1' stigeetted that the witness should be informed
~,elit tb„°;ela surround her with answeringtectio of
"to l-,4 tro'ald insist upon her the ques-
-8HE,,...., y the committee.
Ease d the .house should recollect, that though the
she' ILa answer the questions put to her before the
house.- 'as not refused to answer any question put to ,
Tile questions put to her Li), the committee
Put to her by the house.
wititlavtr called upon the house to reflect that
Ld iess was evidently influenced by terror operating
e' l',e efleet of that terror was to make her a cloak
i„,a Illent of crime. Some person was endeavouring
I -"„fe,if from the conviction of guilt, and from the
,„".'ell would follow his conviction, by exciting
iiiiii;Lnd• Though she was innocent, she was coin-
--q—atien to protect the criminaL He concurred
ar,,-,4 of Lord Althmp, and proposed that she
a ;-" 0 protection, and told to appear before the
Pal to-morrow, and to answer all questions which
ktazak it
expedient to put to her.
41,11. t said the witness was entitled to the best
43e -7,e hc4ise, and sue-gesfed that, as soon as she had
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,e of the person who had threatened her, a
' W'e
ISsued to take that person into custody.
.two thok it for granted that when the house armed
with ,
'use
powers to-send for papers, persons, and re-
' intk.h would resent any disobedience to that corn-
at th ~,as it would resent any disobedience committed
the Iv - 'ar- Ile took it for granted that the questions
gee
hentocitt had refused to answer wete considered by the
le, quetions of importance ; for if they were not
- tt4theY Would not have brought the witness before
too d—a,ving brought her, however, to the bar as a
,ballect to answer, the house had no other alterna-
-4)ree an answer to the question by every means

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it l'askti.rt, said that if he could collect the feeling of the
al t4's---that the witness should be called in, and in-
tr's,*l "use had heard her statement and were not
ctiS's e q her excuse; that she should be requested to
;4, haes . ,t'n U. to her, and be told that she should be
seeeessit`tnY ill consequences from her answer. Thep
.(,? assll Yto inakin, an order that she should be clis-
-18. list:x\''as not in custody.
, 'Tit suggested that she should be cautioned as to
us ees,s _, .
cite Slsmu ut her persistuag in her refusal to answer.
Oat Doi (Whose name we did not learn) said that up
e 'tios 'lt the witness had made no objection to answer
sta put
to her
°4lte "'ls f • Mr. SHAW, which could not be heard
kberty, from T.
. 4 4 4011'
~itAk, IllgOLI was again called to the bar.
4" Lit intOrmed her that the house had listened to the
'.the had oftered for not answering the questions put to
°tit. set4itt-1, and did not think. that that excuse was
, , Put t S'o,,:e expected that she would answer any
s. as prodo her; at the same time she might rely on the
es ec,.. ,
Stilesk „, Lion of the house if she discharged her duty
es,
y,,,s he house was satisfied to take, the answer she
kti'lless-",to believe that she was in a mistake as to the
14ens - (1, her answer • but she must now learn that the
101 l he her her continued' refusal to ausber would be, that
peplteelsourss mated to the custody of the Sergeant-at-arias.
tto V(' now expect that she would answer all ques-
e,,`,4. as ,111., and she might depend on full protection it she
i „he s, e was bound to do.
l'' She should then ordered to withdraw, with the understand-
las 1 °WA again go before the committee to-morrow.
,s' Let, EXCISE LAWS (SCOTLAND.)
tb47l4D II HAY,. in consequence of his Majesty's govern-
tle es,l,eaorninated a commission to examine generally
th by the law of the united kingdom, and having been
bee aa,se, noble lord, the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
diter7,t'en of the commission would as early as pos-
4at "electsid Scotland, postponed his motion for the ap-
'3l4 V committee to Thurssday, the 30th of May,.
ale • e confidence he placed in his Majesty s.govern-
a4, ea
a ,Dr duce them, as far as possible, to alter and amend
ais esen •
st) ophriorce, which was, in many respects, vexa-
ekes's:oB,l*e to the people of Scotland.
4, 0 . Wys_' DE CE ON THE LAST INDIA QUESTION.
0 the 41%, asked whether there was any . obection to
i'4i4et,Die of the house the correspondence between
,'s Witir,sq the Board. of Control and the East India
IZrier had yesterday been read at a Court of East
Pas Ttlrs'
rs oil
said there could be no objection to laying
s: a the table of the house.
14/x3 COMMUTATION OF TAXES.
IlleValietd)!!'"--Notwithstanding the diversity of opinion
tiseist • ni that House upon almost every topic, there
kitttlie awhich all seemed to be agreed—that the coon-
lette'S 47Lueved from. the overwhelming burden of taxa--
'ea.:4 to ..,`",e government had hitherto been assailed front
aieeteit'sgae off tuxes, and as those calls had been met
, be
tor preservin „ft the faith of the country, the con-
, Ot 6 bat there had been kept up taxes to a considera-
bl4 atal'ad the actual exigencies of the state. He had
4(4 is'ution to the subject, and, having considerable
the 'ifkx,that house, he was aware that no very large
ski!t es could be remitted in any way consistent
(ss tisti rvation of the public faith, otherwise than by a
rtety, it°l taxes. Unless he could make out a strong case
.
is'N,'Stisillyould not be expedient to change the whole sys-
COsiltS f ; And he would take it on himself to prove that
d t Cit st`'r (Untie-ince the'system did exist. He should not
?0 ' lithe exiSting distress of the•countrv. On a' former
14,, ates' alernber. for Birmingham (Mr. Attwood) had
"of tee
lA.' Yloh, Ilt on that subject calculated to harrow up the
,'`etio'oer:" who heard hint • and although he thought the
4e1t,1 of S statement overcliarged, vet such was really the
' 44,k1b le labouring classes of the community—lihich
i 4 tivjej,ell neglected, and of which neglect the country
i'ves;elisill'ig the consequences—that it was the duty of that
INsfeistut eir case into consideration, and to see it the col-
•!11 brtitei aild patriotism of the house could not find'out• a
S Is (Is r distressed condition. The noble lord
.(Althorp)
°lLll'ilitC• Itobinson's) opinion, prudently refrained from
ttli Overe the intentions of the government, until it
4e theneouls Paver to make 'his financial statement. As he
et ad 3140 pursued. by the noble lord, it might he asked,
~4 k 3, ti,°.t himsself waited-until the same period ? His
ti 041111„".4t no government could be expected to propose
liott"ola7atioh of taxes as he was going to suggest—name-,
pPe0p;,,,,.4 of other taxes to make way for the adoption of,
i!lttikillir,`"„Y' - The;people complained of the pressure of
,I,Plkte ela,-`lB of taxation, and that all this fell upon the!
'' °Yoarees,, as Persons of great wealth comparatively paid'
gi'' ttltlioe tae burdens of the state. He entertained a deep-,
,I.es , S tas that if the remedy were much longer delayed,'
beti' lass:ation. were suffered still to press upon the la-
Less,4l:ol4-B,s' st.hey would ere long. find. themselves in dif-
,ls' ade ^9n-h they could not extricate themselves.—
N,''.,re ai eteasing trade, with decreasing profits, although
iN,I-1 h's',ll;ei'y much decreased, and Mr. Huskisson had
'i`)r,'laliteir,mion that the system of taxation could not be
h kis, 'ollger without danger to every interest in the
cSi.kle srg atrare also of the disinclination to a property-
ellities race, he had offered his own services to smooth
'." the way of its adoption. What, he would ask,

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rleyy, ,; would
and reit,: olf_itisti
by the f wa.,4"ar, ]
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;e (laver ~,-1-ions. ,
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si di to o„, • u
some ,
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awl, ' -14 .10 th' E sul
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02 that tl, al/ -,, le uctv
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arpoill' A, w, and
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, that hi) A ce, she
a'• 7, ,tth I,'
the° ties ety
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to 0 'te . `Acealt
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