The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1833-05-10 00:00:00

CROWN LANDS.

On the motion of Lord A LTHORP, the order of the day for
taking into consideration his Majesty's message, recommend-
ing the house to appoint a committee toinquire into the manage-
ment of-the Crown lauds, was read. .. _
Lord ALTHOItP then moved an address to his Majesty, acknow-
ledging the receipt of his message.—Agreed.
ford AurnoaP next moved that a select committee be ap-
pointed to inquire into the management of the woods and- W-
rests, and the revenues arising therefrom. He expressed his
opinion that it would appear upon investigation that the value
of-the -Crown -lands -had- been greatly -exagge rated.• •• • -
Mr. D. W. HAI: VEY said that he was one of those who thought
that a member of that house could not be more uefullvengagei`:,
.nor serve his country mote efficiently, than by direct'ing his at-
tention to one particular object, and, acting upon that opinion‘
he had applied himself to the subject of the revenues derived
from Crown lands, and very shortly •after.he had the honour el
being returned to Parliament he brought it under the cons-ide—
ation of the house. About four sessions back he occupied te'
considerable-portion of the time of the boost. it. ,x-yosirtg, what
he believed up to that period wasinit little known, the real state
of this portion of public property, in tracing its origimand, in short;
of stating all the information on the subject which he, with ranch
care, hail collected. Ile was much pleased that the government
bad resolved toappoint a coinmittee on this subject; beraitee, as he'
had a notice upon the paper of a motion relative to it next week, it
w °old sa.ve hint much personal trouble and the house consitierabitt.
time. The only ground of regret was, that as the surrender of this
property by his Majesty formed a prominent topic in his Ma-
jesty's address -to-- Parliament at the • -commeireedient of hiii
reign, and was touch dwelt upon by the then Ministers as au
instance of the liberal cenduct of his Majesty, and as the •huuse
was always prompt-to acquiesce in the his Majesty,
particularly on such a subject as this, two years and a half tad
ben eiffered to e4ipse without the appointment of a committee.
The noble lord had expresSed an opinion tliiittmod" Value of the
Crown lands w-s Much exaggerated- 'When a subject was
involved in darkness, and persons were cmnpelled to form-their
own conjectures- respecting it, thcie was a probability that •
exaggeration might exist, but when he looked at the great esta-
blishment at Whitehall, and the number of distingui,hed
prrsole %,ho front time to time did • not hesitate to fill tfu; useful
but suleir:linate ollices of land-surveyors, he cou.d not but
think the property in qucstioii WaS Of-grcratiii-Nrifittide. • Ile
firmly believeu that the property was of great value, though
the aristocracy had considerably diminished its amount since
it was suirendered to' the -people by George 111, fie 4;4
lint hesitate to say that some of the noblest portions of this
property had been obtained by some of the fiat families in
the kingdom for tery suspicious considerations. It 'would
it.lind some idea of the extent -of- this-Tr-min/Tin -state that
the suns received as rental from 1705 to 1896 was £2,374,321,
cf which only £8624 found its way into the public Exche-
quer; and from '1826 to 1899 the soul received was i.:1,50q,d.40 •
of which not a single- shiliing had come into the Ex-In-vet—
t Ilear,) This property ought to be made-available for nie pub-
lic.servite, main order to enable the Chancellor of the Exche-
ipier to agree to the repeal of the malt duty, lie liiiirrecommended
him to go into the city and raise five or "six millions on the Crown
lands. He also thought it would be advisable to issue front
!.-.1.0,0(1000 to .E 15,0 00,C00 of notes to be Called the Crown land
notes, to be receiy ed in pavnient for taxes, and not convertible
into gold at.all. This n (mid be a circulating medittni based on
real property,--and he really thought the experinient-Worth.-try,
ink*. With respect to the committee proposed to lie anpointe
he expec'eted but little good to result from it, and-IteAftought
mould be better to appoint a commission to take evidence iii
those parts of the country in which Crown lands ireve
1.116 hon. member concluded with .stating; that he estimated the
value of the Crown lands at £15,000,000 sterling, and that it cost •
'2O per' cent. in the collection, . _ _

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)11.. Ili MR said that the Crown lands in Scotland required
investigation.
Lard' Df,NrANNON said, that it experience should prove that
a counnittee could not sufficiently investigate the subject, he
would not object-to the appointment-of a entunlis,ion.. lie ac-
counted ftir theinonev received as rent not having been Faid-
into the Exchequer by the circumstance that it went to Lis-
chare.a .debt•lvhich was fixed upon the crown laud department.
Only 1:100,()00 of that debt now remained; and it wouid,be paid
off in the course of the present year.- The hon. member was'
incorrect as to the expense of collecting this
.revenue ; it was
only 10 per cent.
The motion was then agreed to, and the committee appointed.
ST.\IIIP ACTS.

-Lord ALTHOIIP brought up the report-cm-the stamp.a,cts. •
Mr. Hum E said that on a future occasion he thought he
should be able to satisfy, the noble lord that the revenue would
lose filithing.if the duty on advertisements were reduced to Is.
Mr. Count.= took that opportunity of asking the noble lord
whether it was his intention to propose such an alteration' ot
the Stamp Act as would render freehold property liable to the.
legacy and probate duty; as well as personal property ; if not,
he would move for leave to bring in a bill to effect this object.
Lord ALTItORP said that he did not intend to propose the a -
teration to which the hon. member's question referred.
• Mr. -W-A.soN expressed his regret at hearing the declaration
of the noble lord. The landed interest contrived in all matters
of taxation to shift the burden from themselves upon the poorer
classes.

Sir E. KNATCHISULL defended the landed interest, and pro-
tested against. its being constantly held up to odium iu that
house.—The report was agreed to.
SAVINGS-BANKS' ANNUITIES BILL.

Lord ALTHORP pastponed the third reading of-this _bill, and
in answer to a question from the hon. member`for Oldham;
said that he intended to omit the clause which requires deposi-.
tors to give one month's notice before they could withdraw their
deposits.
Mr. T. A TTWOOD had ever regarded the whole schemes of
savings banks as a fraudulent delusion on the part of the go-
vernment towards the people. Saving's banks served no other
purpose than diverting so much currency from productive in-
dustry, amid enabling the ministers of the time being to claw
the-pockets of the industrious classes, and-cloak the mischiev-
ous designs under a pretended manifestation or anxiety to pre--
mote their interests. The fact was, savings banks made ail
those connected with them the merest slaves of the govern-
ment.

Lord ALTHORP had yet to karn that it was not highly desirz,.-
ble that the working classes—for whom savinzs banks worts in-
tended—should not have a state in the public tends and thereby
an interest in maintaining the institutions of tue country.
(Hear, hear.)
The bill was then ordered to he read a third time to-morrow.

Mr. P. PALMER, moved -the second reading of the high
sheriffs' office regulation bill.
• The SOLIeITOR.GEISMIAL would not formally propose the
bill by moving that it be read a second time this day six months,
but would, with a view to an effective- qposition at' alnture
stage, state that he entertained Iltrnn..ir objections:to its.principie,
lie conceived it highly objectionable, so far as it went, to throw
the expense of the office of high-sheriff on the county, as pm-
posed in the bill. It was well known in practice,.that the under-
6heriff's'•fees,•fully sufficed, not only to defray the.charge at-
tendant upon the office of high-sheriff, but to prove a source of
emoltrinent•to himself. Then, in counties in which the miner-
sheriff's fees were' trifling, the gentry. from among whom the
sheriffs were chosen, made a joint siml fund which deli•aytd
the expenses.
Mr. STRICK L A N t;. in support of tho bill, ..contended that the
country-was much indebted to the honourable member for
Reading (Mr. F. Palmer) •for endeayourincr to do away with
the unnecessary and onerous -expenses attendant upon the
office of high-sheriff. He thought, however, it would be better
to curtail all unnecessary expenses--;the remnant of a barbarous
age—than throw the expense'on the. county. rates.
age—than
bill was •then read a second time; and ordered to i e com-
mitted-on Wednesday week.

'Mr. SL A NEY 'obtained leave to bring in a bill to facilitate the
exchange or sale of small portions of entailed propert y,.(nnuer
certain regulations,) without 'the expense of o:separate art of
Parliament for each case.

HomE then presented a petition from Ashton-under-
Line, calling the attention of the house to the case of Robeit
Taylor, and-praying that no man might be punished for the ex-
presion of his opinions.
-Sir R. VYI YAN objected to the reception of the petition ip so
thin a house, and utter the business of the. .eY4anng-hud been,
disposed of.
On the motion of the honourable baronet, the house was
counted, when it appeaTel that there.were only thirty-six rucui-
hers present, upon which the Speaker adjourned the house.

Mr. Holmes, one of the Secretaries of ite- Treasury, under the
Duke of 'Wellington, has been much-iny eiiiminnication• ivi•h
Mr. Charles Wood and Mr. Spring. 'Vice, (41611,4 the last tv u
days. Rumour states that Sir -Hoi,trt lk-el,'lrho is the intirn7!te
ni,na of Mr. llohnes, is corning into.iiilic:.--,Court fulfreta:.

VATAI. DUEL—A hosti,e meeting took place on Saturday
morning, at Sallowiields, near Po, tobeilow, between John
Peter Weldon, Esq, and Bony Power White, Esq.. the
fortner gentleman of Moleswoith-street, and the latter of Golden-
villa, county Tipperary. At the first fire, Mr. Weldon's hall
entered the forehead of Mr. White, a little above his hatband,
at the right side, traversed the brain, and lodged in the back
part of the head. Ile fell and died immediately, upon which
all those who were engaged left the ground. Mr. Weicien was
accompanied by Bodkin, of Galway, Esq., and the deceased
by the Zion. Butler. We understand the cause of the dis-
pute to be as follows :—Some time before, a gentleman named
Walker had a quarrel with Mr. Weldon, and Mr. White took
an active part as the friend of Mr. Walker, but not as his acting
friend on the occasion. The affair was, however, settled ami-
cably. On Wednesday night Mr. White came into the New
Shades, in Grafton-street, where Mr. Weldon was. They both
sat at different tables' and a row having occurred in another
part of the room, Mr. White addressed some words to Mr.
Weldon—we understand the words were, "that's queer work,
Weldon." Mr. Weldon said, " Sir, I don't know von,"
upon
which Mr. White answered, "you will know me when leon-
descend to speak to you again, 1 think you beneath my notice,"
or some words to that effect. This, it is said, led to the meeting
which terminated so unfortunately.--Dublin Freeman's Journal.
THE MURDER OF Miss ELIkIES.—Up to Tuesday evening,
the efforts to discover the murderers of Miss Elmes had proved
unavailing. The body has been placed in a shell, where it will
remain until her friends give directions for her funeral. She
it related to several highly respectable persons, resident in Sur-
rey and the West of England. In a corner of the deceased's
room is a large recess, about three feet deep, in which it is sup-
posed the murderers concealed themselves until the deceased
itarne up stairs to bed. The Secretary of State has intimated
that a reward of £lOO will be offered by goverment for the ap-
prehension and conviction of the offenders. The parish of
Chelsea also intend to offer a reward of £5O, and the Rev. Mr.
Lockwood, the rector, has signified his intention to contribute
. £5O for the same purpose. A large party of the police,. we
understand. are in lursuit of a than :.:gamst w hum .heir is a
strong suspicion

By order of the Mortgagee.
On MONDAY, the 20th instant, at One o'clock in the Afternoon,
at the Clarendon Rooms, South Joh 'Street, Liverpool,
MESSUAGE or DWELLIN -HOUSE, situate on the
If
A east side Thurlow-street, i iverpool ; containing in
front to Thurlow-street and at th ack severally 5 yards, and
extending in depth backwards on the north side '2O feet 6
inches, and on the south side feet, be the several dimensions
thereof a little more or less. The House is at present unoccu-
pied, but the late tenant paid £l5 per annum.
Also, a Plot of LAND,_ with DWELLING-HOUSE and
other Buildings, on part thereof erected, situate on the east
side of Thurlow-street aforesaid ; containing in front to
Thurlow-street 16 yards, and at the back. 17 yards 1 foot, and
extending in depth backwards on the north side 11 y 2 yards,
and on the south. side '2O yards 1 foot, be the several dimensions
thereof a little more or less. The House lets for £l3 13s. par
annum. The land is used as a Coal yard, and is occupied by
Peter O'Connel, at the yearly rent of £l5.
The above Premises are held under ' the Corporation of
Liverpool for 3 lives, (all in being) and 21 years thereafter,
subject to the usual ground-dent.
For further particulars,- apply to Mr: HencsoN, .SpliCitor,
Clarendon Buildings, South Johu-street. . '

By order of the MO7tgayee.
On FRIDAY, the 17th day of May instant, at Six o'clock in the
Evening, at the Great George Tavern, in Upper Pitt-street,
in one or more lote, and subject to such cynditious as shall be
agreed on at the time of sale,
ALL those three newly-erected a well-built ME S-
SUAGESS or DWELLING-HO SES, situate on the
east side of Chester-street, within Toxte t-park, near Liverpool,
(being Nos. 11, 12, and 13,) contai ng in front to Chester-
street, and in breadth at the back t roof 16 yards and a half,
and extending in depth backwards 18 yarus and a half, or
thereabouts.
The whole are Freehold of Inheritance.
For further particulars apply to, Mr. TuomPsoN, Solicitor,
No. '2, High-street, Exchange.