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doing was illegal or irregular. I did say
Mr. Whitty would not go, that I knew 1

there. Mi., Whitt), remarked,

' why you havi

policeman ought to have known bette

a► warrant.

I will s

'ear that I did not say his honour

was so furious, or so angry. or in such a rage that I dare
not go back without Mr. Whitty. I never in my life use
the word "madman or rail" at Mr. Whitty's. 1 a ill sear

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never said the judge raved at me like a madman, or nn'
thing to that effect. I believe I said it was tfr con
of court, and not for an article in the Journal.
By the JUDGE.—How came von to make use of such
foolish expression as this, that you knew you had no busi.
!less there ? Do you think that is such conduct that I
can tolerate in you ' I think
you will find out tha,

—the canvassing my orders
'. it is not.

Cross-examination continued.—The Judge personally
delivered the order to me to go and bring Mr. Whitty be-
fore him. If Mr. Ramshay gave me orders to come to
you and take you in your house to-night, I would do so.
I was not directed by Mr. Ramshay to bring him whether
he resisted or not.
His HoNourt said if he bad known that Mr. Whitty had
intended to resist, he most certainly should have given or-
ders for him to be brought before him, intending the
officers should use whatever force might be required for
that purpose. He did not care if it required ten thousand
men, he knew he should have them if he asked for them,
in the execution of his duty._ _ _ _ _ _ _

Sir GEO. STEPHEN said it was a point that he should
have to argue hereafter, whether the Judge did possess the
power he now claimed.
His Hormuu was most anxious to have his authority
canvassed to the utmost, especially in a matter of this na-
ture, and if Sir George could convince him that he was
wrong, he would act upon that conviction the very next
moment.

The witness continued.—He knew what was meant by
a paper knife: the knife lie!d up by Mr. Whitty was like
a bacon knife, and came to a point at the end. When he
took the knife out of the drawer, he was on the opposite
side of the counter to me, I believe. I was sober enough
to know whether I stood on my head or my heels.

Roger Charnley, one of the bailiffs
the last witness, said : When w

who accompanied
reached Mr. Whittv's

shop, we informed him ma, .ae jut,
the County Court, had given us orders to bring him be
fore him, to speak to him. He said where is your autho-
rity or warrant ? We replied we had nohe, and Mr.
Whitty answered, " I'll not go then if you have a war-
rent or summons, I will go with you." He added, that
we might go and state to Mr. Ramshay what he had said,
and he would wait an hour for us. He then informed
Mr. Ramshay of Mr. Whitty's reply. and he said, " You
have my authority to take him." When we told Mr.
Whitty this, adding 44 We must take you," he again
inquired where is your warrant, and was told that we had
not got one—our orders from the judge were to take him
before him. When I went round the counter to take him,
he pulled a large knife out of a drawer, and holding it up,

he said, " If you lay hold of me, I'll send this into you ;
stand back, or I'll cut yott." I was then within half a
yard of him. Mr. Whitty then made through a back
door, anti I was seized by the back by Mr. Whitty's
son. We followed Mr. Whitty into the cellar, and
when we were coming up to him within about a yard,

he said, still holding the knife in his band, " If yo.o lap
a hued upon me, I shall send this into you." I said to
him, you ought to have more sense than to offer to use a

knife; why don't you come quietly ? He then called for
some men-15 or 20 of whom were in the cellar—and told
them to throw us out into the street, for we had no busi-
ness there. The men surrounded us and prevented our
following Mr. Whitty ; after which we were given into
custody, and taken to the police-station. as mentioned by
the preceding witness. I asked the officers to assist us,
on which they inquired for our warrant, and on being told
we had not got one, Mr. Whitty's son said take these men

!usiness

Whitty's son stated that they bad been to arrest his
father without a warrant, or any authority whatever; and as
soon as the bailiffs had explained the orders they received
from Mr. Ramshay, Mr. Clough said he could not interfere
to assist them as they had no warrant ; and their names
having been entered, they were dismissed.
By Sir George Stephen.—Mr. Whitty's son first pro-
posed that we should go to the Police-office. When we
first called on Mr. Whitty, he said, if you lay a hand on
me I will send for the police, and give you in custody.
We did not make any charge of assault at the Police-
office. Mr. Whitty's son charged us with assaulting him.
I am not a regular bailiff, but an occasional one, and wa'
acting in that capacity on this Saturday. I was formert
in the police, and am now also a collector of debts.

not receive my tiirections personally from his honour : it
was Hartley who asked me to accompany him. My ap-
pointment as assistant-bailiff was not in writing. I asked
Hartley for his authority, and he said he had not got a
warrant; but he told me what his honour had ordered
him to do. The knife taken up by:Mr. Whitty had a
blade better than a foot long, and an inch wide, and was
sharp at tho : it was a very strong one, and might
be used for cutting paper. I did not say I was very sorry,
but Mr. Whitty must come with me. I did not say,—You
know; Mr. Whitty, what sort of a man Mr. Ranashay is,
and we must do our duty. I said to Mr. Clough I did not
know whether I hart any business there or not, but we
came there by Mr. Raroikay's orders. I was quitesober,

sion t hat Mr

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len, take that man into
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