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Teeintio illustrate Inv argument by a referenhe to a particular the course of this debate, and more especially by the last speaker,
case.. If the.hunourtible gentlemen will curl) their" impatience little indeed need 'be-added in `support of the reasons why we
a little,. I hope,. in the end, to satisfy .theirehere or- elserohete:- should go into the proposed' inquiry embraced by the motion
But, sir, I have a right in commenting upon the of publicl under di,leuesion. • Theoppogente 'of all reforM labour under a
men to refer to their motives, and 1, tell the houourehle .mein- great dread of what will accrue .to our. prosperity. Their anxiety
.
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bers that, they will find it as elitlieultto bully me into silence or ! iseriet to itepreve, the presept, end to protect future generations.
submission now as thee. did when they were in the habit of maks , But I would aek, whet has posterity dime for ee.? ~W. hat deht.of
ing the iittemptiu another place and under other eireueastiitices. ! gratitude du we owe therm? Ci'in those Who will be the people,
Toproceed: the honourable members were, at the perinit'l was ! of Engliihd ti eenriery betice isyinpathize with ourfeelirigii, hr al.:
alluding to
.when they interrupted me, somewhat erteitiein their le :late ot.q.strfferingeric If they cannot do either of these things,.
course; they niiived iu *hat might be calked an esesentriC orbit. ' .if ivesare. not. prepared 'to; fetter them with laws 'like' those-ot '
The last speaker.more especially Was einpatienethider-eeeteiiiirt,' " the Medes and Persitios, which alter not," we should' adopt,
sometimes iadulging in a truentdispositieee-in a word, 'preferred I the .wiser. ineaim, " suactent.unto the day is the evil thereof.!
in bodily to,eutal exercise. But, because en idle, turbulent': uti-' Gie .t his ground i erect my. 'standard; around which I hope to
ruly..haty has beensubjected to _tie diseiplitie of wholesome lair-` rani, the supporters of refolingenehelly: The whole'ef our insti-
reetien, are:we, the conunons of England; to. interfere ? Be- tutions formed for an infant state of So6letv ere as unsuited to its.
cause a yOuth enters this house; asif-te.prove ' ' _ manhood as, the rocking-horse would he for the general of an army.
" How.much a denee their s sent aliened 16' roaM; s
Again e,-,.who are.oue legislators ? ,Are they in tie slightest 'de-
Excels a armee that has been Lelit at home,"
(tree taken from pr : ideutitied with the people—the pillar of the
~ . •
- - • • state? 'ls this house essentially the' representative
.of the
sine-
are we to neglect the real beeicess of tliieetate„: tut the purpose chisnice the handyciaftsirien, and' the' iabiiiiiing population of
of lietening to trumpery crap-trap. mounteheek espeeches and England? ' NO, it is not, and never= will be until each 'grade' of
euritioni such as three? Th.,.,,,,0,,ti5., th, iati.:f,t;igable. inidethe, society has;gained the.right tif being" represented: by one of its
highli-gifteti instructor, wie,,,lietce.„,o eieauees I acenewledge own body.-- .I.hathis it latest coine.ae last, Wisdom es,not con-
witir "feelings' uf drop ;remit etie,endeavoitred to, rob or 4"6"firieillithin the aelaees.of the rich. , The mind like the body is
some uselnl ktiiiWleirge into th'ci:heao .of.;.ite , I
'°""r4ift'lll)4 'invigorated l;y dolt), toil:, while- both are destroyed by luxurious
leartiedg,etitlenianAallnefound itd diflieult took to tilletehet
'ease or inert Indeferice. . Fresh blood must be infused into the.
whihlt Wasprevieuslv fall '.,,e v,acti;ty. lul.
."t"r" f'''' the. pains great councils of the nation, and this should" be drawn. fi oni the
taken With• him by his exCelletit preceptor, hme, in .comun„ L. -best and thc.healthiest of ,the country,—that which flows in the'
fear, with' a large, untidier or itperfieitilly educated persons, re- veins of those who are now contumeliOusly 'called 'the lower
plies in the langnageiifta.lihan— , classes of society.
. ..
' " VOn tanglitane.latiguage.; and my.profit on't ' Master J. .Watowr-,--..T4e splecit ;of the honourable gen-,
Is, 1 know hew to curse." , • tlerhan whn spoke laeftsutone exceeds iii boldnees, and in_ daring
The honourable unit • learned gentleman hah- nigh adherted _to all theespeechei that 'ever were delivered 'within these walls.
whet he calla the ehrieyances of women. In 11* foitheihcase• his His glances at thikesieelestial and things terrene; at gas-light
peeriotisua ii thatot the culprit who reviles jieitiee.; in' the tat-. and themariner's compess; at the thunderstorm and the print-'
ter.it is ancilitify to a scheme by which .he 'hopee' I'd iriioeiti., tug-press, ehow, the extraordinary force of his imagination,-and
or rather, to make his private fortune. That'pait-of his speech, the rapidity of his thoughts. • •
however, is as futhothrothinst as the froth •of sinall'beer. It is, " Swift through the trackless regions of the skies
in truth,. a very pour and frothy exhibition, ricked tip from some
In proudcare M
ertheeeioged tempest flies; ,
unlucky wight . •SWIft-throukii the gloov eavertii bflheniglit
• " Who sells hiS lines for penny-pieces." t' Flash the first beams of-In-ern% returning light; ,
•
- - -"• .. - pictured train
If I ain not trilinformA(A, the hou..gentlerna9' .pofttic, flight in - Biitsswifter far; oh, 1 houeht sin . ,
- 'of yeomen- 'ant .sit much froni,a ,desire to_ gain the.
praise . ;irisesn , , ShOots thy bright image `though the teeming brain."
adMiration of the sex generally as that of a learned and anti- To the speech. of that,gentleman I shall first address myself.
grimed vestal Of fifty... I am qinte.prepared.ip admit; that improvements in mechanical i
. .
Raster C. MA ltl-1 Ai. L.--Sifs's only forty-nine. • :, science, and in 'the arts of civilized
,life,_ have beeu carried,
Master' E. M ease e hi..—Well, be it sol. if. she• owns to within the last fifty Years, much farther than. could-have been.
forty-nine, why then she is old eneugh to be the here and learned contemplated, or even.dreatne of, as either prgbable or possible.
gentleman's geandniother; 'l'his gentlewoman,. in to a What further discoveriee we shall be permitted to make,—whe-
furtive expression of the eye—she.prefers giving oblique to direct ther.they will promote our national prosperity, or our national
glances—possesses also fifty thousand other charms duly regis- destruction,-whether these extraordinary efforts of, human
tered and consriliclafe4 auto one short. pithy line in a certain genius are not calculated to engender among us, as a people, a
natiOnal'st:s:Volnuie, preserved with great care in, the Bank of forgetfulness that we are formed out ef the dust to.which we
Eticiglaiid, for. the hoot) OF 12 HE
.1'1:13 L 110 ND doubt the. hon. must return,. are questions upon.which plailosophers,may.specu-
an learieed gientletnan thinks with an apt ieut poet, that , late,,but time only can decide. I, too, am old enough :kb. re-
" There ereue liner in wryneat-es face member the greater, part of the discoveries of modern practical_
Like pay to Mr. Henry }lase." . , • science;' lam also old enough to murk the change, which they.
Althoeihl have trespassed su long on,the patieneeor :the house *.have Wrought in the public mind, and it is no email source of
1 nipst entreat its indulgence for a few moments while .1 shortly grief to me to he compelled to add, that our thoughts are bee
adYert to ahoilier ehliject which I hold to be. of primary import- coming.as mechanical as our machines. ,The great desideratum
ante to.the werld to general. The idea of -giving the.elective with oui,RhilosoPhic reformers is to bring mankind within the
fratichige to worneueis
enut a 'new.. one, and I tin quite certain trammels Of parallelograms .and squares. . All our laws and in-
that
.the liatiye,geod ieereee of my countrywomen will induce stitutions must act with mechanical precision, end
_systemization
them .to spurn the gift,-if ever seriously offered for eheir,accept- is the pivot upon which they must • turn. Man, vain, man, with
ante. The temple where woman is
.most Adored, .where she the )sritheval, cut se hp.onhis.head, with the knowledge that all his
appears most lovely, is Houk:. There . she receives, not the works are imperfect, is foolishly wasting
.his, time. in the -futile
extorted atheiration paid to things of wonder, but the invelunthry • attempt to halite institutions more perfect than himself, and
adoration of the heart ; there her voice soundsmose melodiously ; unleavened with the lealien of his own mortality. In pursuance of
these and there alone she dispenses happiness to all amend her. their favourite theory the system-mongers of modern times as-.
Women are net :formed, to meet the rude gaze; of the multitude sume an absolute equality cif intellectual capacity in the people,
or to mingle, ine the (Jetliner). discords of public or political life. forgetting c that the reator has not only given to the face of eater?.
Accursed be he Who would unsex the sex by withdrawing them but w whole work -of the, creation, a- variety endless, boundless,
froM the shrine where they can .alone be worshipped.. Mr. and infinite'. l'hese attempts to level the inundatious, ihe hill and
Speaker, I have•done. I shall vote for the previous question. dale of the human mind, wouldsuch
, were the introduction of a
Master E.. W. it.. -The language usedeby the last speaker dull uniformity practicable, ultimately raise mankind to the per-
in einninenting upon the speeches of the lion. members, Master fection of a thick of sheep; we should become mere talking spin-
Hedwenand
.Master Potter,, is of such a character us to call ning jennies, and as void of thought es those or any other pieces
for the interpositioa'Of the, speaker., I, therefore, move that the
hon. sectindeiOf.the motion, Master Potter, the honourable and of mechanisiii. A great deal has been said here and elsewhere
iii praise. of the rapid iMProvements made and making in this
learned gentleman who spoke last but one,
.Meister .Charles age. But are we quite certain that ail these discoveries are
MaTsh4ll, and the hop- gentleman who...last addressed thehouse,
Master Edneinid:Marshelle do not leave their seats without the newt ,Some secrets ,were known to the. Greeks and, other
ancient nations whihh we, with ill our industry and boasted
perraissiOn of Mr, e e
' • • • ' knowledge, hav not as. yet been able to discover. A very.high
Master C. Wee sti A LL.—As the motioo of my lion.. friend
is one personally affecting myself; 'I shall, 1 hope, be pardoned authority has said,. " That which Bath been is now, and that
whiCh is to be hath Already been," This saying of the wisest of
for again obtrilingmyself on. the notice .gf the house.
The men comes nearer.the .truth than the wise of the present day are
scurrilous invectives of 'the hon. gentleman,are atheist beneath_
disposed to admit .The argumentof the honourable gentleman
any; notice ;' his attack' on, me I might,,perhaps, haveheendis- in favour of refOrin,' founded upon our vast
have
in
posed ,to 'treat'. with silent, eon tempt if. he lied .net touched. on mechanical science; is easily disposed of. I have only to remind
another siihjeet. But hiS uniiianly assault upoe.a lady. of .high him oT the fact thathill these improvements or discoveries of.
literary andisctentific attaigments requires a sehereecestigation which we are so fond of bonding were made under the ittere;•
than the Wile has the power. of. inflicting. • As the subject has formed parliament; when our institutions had not been lilserttliied,'
beep donna} "y 'brohght under the notice, of thespeaker, and, as and before we made the discovery that the king" is the servant of
I inn net the offending hefty,. I shall leave my,case in his hands, his people!" Hence, the. inference is clearly this, that fuyther*
The' SP"'aK.o4.—,The bun. inernber, Master E. Morahan,. reforms are not necessary to accelerate thd march of improve.:
haSundoubttelly- spokeit with great warmth, .has, in; fact,. ex- meta; and judging, on this subject; of the future by the' past; I
ceeded the limits of free .discussion by. indiscreetly alluding to a conclude that .a period of political excitement is anything but
delicate Subjeet; calm:l4lfeet to give pain to the Lion, and learned . favourable to the promotion of the cause of science generally:
gentlernan„ - Mr. _Charles
.Marshall, to. whom it was most The only ' mechanical invention made' in -France during- " the
partic'hlerly_offensive.. Ltherefere call upon the hon. gentleman thunderstorm. which improved the moral atmhsphere" of that
to eXplain or.retri,Lct what he'has said. • - • • Country. was " the guillotine!" A similar storm in this country
Master ~I‘lA.tskie.t.l,.—Sir,-1 believe 1. prefaced the re-. might produce an equally happy invention ;'and the honourzible
marks'oojeefeil to `by the:hon. and learned geotlemau, Maetere. gentleutan, as ." revolutions have no terrors for' him;" would'
CharleChliirehall,:viettithe assertion of my, rightee'examine.the' •himself probably be-the first upon who'll an' experiment -would
motives'of a PUblii: man when called upon to scrutinize his public be tried, _as a practical illustration of its'usefulness'atidperfect
conduit. ' ,Thehtentiemelieus language used:by the honouralele: adaptation to the end proposed. The intended destruction of the
andlear,ried gentl,,eoan in ,-peakiiig of me aro meeofficialfrienets, 'power hitherto lodged in- the hande of thriee who govern this conn-.
the ,base and ergweirth,ymetivesiettributett to ueaheeetuee. wero- • ;•try.andere responsible to the people'for thetr acts; hasbflate
deaveue to do'eut duty, to our coentry, fully weviitit.if they o°` ; been boldly and openly avowedt• motions like the one 'we are
justify all that I have said: However,. if the bon. and learned. new discussing are so mane, smaller wedges to 'aid the more
gentleman will declare.upoia his honour that he sever robbed au . powerful lever of the friend-4. of revolution.. To this political
apple-treeel will make ane apology which. you, _sir...with Pre- convulsion we, are advaticinge by fearful strideis and. ' should we
.scribe. If he wilt not or •canngt, do, this, 1 slsnll then assume .be once more' plunged into it, we shall in all probability sink
that I have ' spoken ppthitig.but thehruth,..a,nd, adopting the more 'rapidly than we have risen in hhe scale of national iereets
favourite inexim. of the. opposite side of the 'house, maintain nese. The laws and institutions 'of England, notwithstanding
tbat truth can never he a libel." . . their anomalous appearance or apparent want of " system"' and
Ma4fer C. Maksirsere.,---The
.declaration celled for by the of theoretical perfection, are prattically the mostadMirablithat
henegentlernari is ale tight of his original offence._ Ad-. the wit of man ever devised: They are based on and inceriro
ining for argument's sakethet I appropriateirto in•V•Phin use. rated with christianity,•and for this reason they are scoffed' at'
a fe.kuinpery a pplas where, I saw,an alanidanee of.thero,.the ' 'by the sceptic and •the infidel; Their leading maxims—" it is
hon:P/fiiallem.,ol knows right e'll t hat theireples hesspeaksofwere . better that ten guilty 'ersons should escape than that one inno-
onlidreeeket-full of'sgehgeeen gooseberries.; .Why,. I was imly cent mart should cutter wrung"—that "every man is innocent
doing. thee, in aesmall way- what the honegentleman hi doing by until he is proved to be guilty"—" that there can be no 'Wrong_
wholesale-Lrobbing.the public. On the, occasion -.referred to, 1 without a remedy," and "that nothing can be judiciaily'known
the hon. gentleman turned' informer because I refused to give that has not been judicially proved,"- are not embodied in the
him the lien's half of the spoil. •• e • . laWs of any other country upon the face of the earth. Their
Master E. Sirearefce.—Ae,ehe fether of the house,- for, al- general princiVes and policy are, as far as bottlers can approach
though
rf ,ani.trot threolde4 man 1.. airs .the oldest me,nebee of it, 1 !divine perfection, fouhded uoon eternal justice and uport the
must sa);,that.in ,the tilio,le course of. env parliotnentary.experie mercy-of the eternal! Under these laws 'industry is fostered ".by
ence I never withesseka more disgravis•fulepereonahaltercation, giving to every man the abiolute and uncontrolled power' Of
- than that of thehon. members .10)0, hAv.e.PcquPicd our attention ~ doiug what lie likes withhhis OIVI}:" Show me the country
for the last half hour, A equebhle so unseemly ,almost sinks the_ .wbieb,b4,possessed•a race of men so illustrious by their talents,
character of 'the house to the level pe.th,, sec 944, reformed parlia-
L .or of such incorruptible integrity. as our judges; so firm is the
merit; I have some .knowledge,of the; high-;repn,tation. of the reliance of the public mind open their puritv, whalever their
scheol where both the hem, members were. educated; had such error, in judgment may be, that I doubt whither a single En,
an exhibition occurred in that well-condurdedsemilhAty—hhcept. . glishman ever seriottely entertained the -belief that it- would be
on the feasts' of the eS'atainalia--Professor. Birch, would soon possible to corrupt them. • This excellence in our' judges is the
have settled the affair. „The hon. gentlemen have, 4.1 mistake consequence of the 'excellence of the laws they are called upon
not; same liyely recidleetions, a posteriori, of the. why in evhieb tnaelmenister. Were every- existing lite' in England this due-
he argues cases of this kind ;he would soon .convioce. them by. 'abolished—should the .world endure' for another six thousand
an appeal to their 'S/he/inns of the folly of these very_ hilly and years, tbele laws will be 'regarded at that • remote period as a
contenaptiblebroils. Unless the hon. gentlemen will severally 'Splendid monument of human Wisdom ; • and'these are the lawe
pledge their/words of honour nut. to notice tlits-brawl out of toe: .we are called upon one by, one to secrifice, because they. arenot
houso, by any further proceeding, I move that they, he forthwith More perfect than anythingof huenaat origin ever wits or ever
taken into the custody of the sergeant-at-arms, and by him be will be, .'I he of the English constitation was traced be
consigned to the care of Mr. Profesene Birch. than i
thegreat'Alfred .more tha thousand singe. Owlet t
Master G. II A tiwE.N,. ---I ant SUtisiled.• '• • England his risen' to be • the greatest of all' existing nations,
Master C. MeasheeC.—lf the hon. gentleman, Master E., andel. suspect, the, greatest that ever existed.sinee'the ereatititi ;
Marshall; will say that he is
,sorry for having used.eny expres- tinder this constitution the people enjoy a greater degree of
stuns injurious to my private. character as a gentleman, lam real freedom than is enjoyed tee the people of ails, other countr'y'
ready to give the required pleflge.
• - of either thee new or the old world e it is en identified With the
hlaster .h„. .h 1 A USJI A I.r..—As .1115 i: observations, were, direct-
habits in I teeliegshl might' have said the' very nature; of the
ed to the pisblic character
,of the honourable a
eo leethht it never has been steccesSfully ado, h
nd: learned gen.-
pic
tleman, I can;have.no objection to declare, thaa I am sorry for p p }any other
having saidanYthitig calculated to wound his.feelins. . I have I. Quarry..
An ,honmernber.—What do ehaesay of America?
as geeat.a dislike to the interference of Professor
.Birch,, ii a
Master Wit reit r.—What do I say of America? Why, they'
referee, as any gentlenian in .the house. 1 therefore ask.the .
have vet to learn what their eery Half-Etiglieh,constitution is'
honourable and .feareed meniber'e pardon fur any pain I may
their constitution, although the work df English artiets, has
have given. him.. . already proved a•failute. They bade; indeed, the feet and legs.
upon which ours' is fixed, but they' have forgotten to place upon
Master Featieeecit JOS' AP.11..----S-ir: as we haVelestiscit hithocifte-, ,
question really, tinder .discussion, letake ,leave. to
then'. the body, the •arms, and the head by which it ought to
bow that it is. it, motion. for aeceneneitteeeief inquiry into
.the..,
be ,stirmOuntr:d ; wanting theeefegtilaters,. jiledhthe steam cork
present itate.of the nation.
~The opponents of this. proposiition ,leg in the .song, they will' eventually run' tivr-h-y with 'the body
contend that reform,- has gone fax,,,enoug,h; this, I take t,• is
politic. 'Chat. oldealtnanack -history at least- teethes' us one
their, ante grounnofresistence to. the.m.0ti0n.....,T0 my, mind nos useful lessen, Mundy; that thete is no tyranny equal to that of
thiug appears 5o monstrously eloped, so ,e4rtqagautly arrogant. the inettitude—no
.politieal 'corruption equal to that which'
as the assumption thaeeeloeue lies. reached he maximum of nu-.
eehtee where the o,,Gyetroreent is -vested in the hands of the
proveineht.' V. has been the biStery of the world from, its multittide. I shall- perhepa be askeil Whether I would • ".
oppose
creation to: the present "hour ,lost a serimeif • rateernee,t) (;hots , all
tiandy itself was
.a refine!, opposed in its,infency,ley Abe. spirit, reforM.? 1. answer 110: "Feeling a strong' Conviction that
the trail of the serpent 'lB visible-in all the works of man=
of censervateern. end )is those, elm from haeeerenuejveli exeiaimed
reat ie Pi euaethe flpdriese of the Epleeshipti 1.,"• . The estrne serve the little polish that his works like
this are b like himself;oth r`eq
eaable of receiving' 1 haVe
iiire constant friction to pre-
norne.rs and wiSe . men, of Egypt, the ~..wish rabbis, the poets. . no objection to repair that whiCh time May hate destroyed' el-
and philosophers of,Greece, the historians, oraters,,and seitiriets tegether-or rendered inapplicable io' our present condition. But
of Rorne„the first epostlee of the 'foupder of the,christpan faith.: these reparations must be widertelteri in a very different spirit
—to-all, these,
.end to hundreds of ot here that might be
,flill- tlilil.thaubetraved by out modern eeformera• they I U'tli P •-
rnera,ted,..tho.art, li f writing was.knowne-an art, perhaps, coeval
~ dirtaken by men capable Ofestiinglingand.clashifyinneestheegouo%
with tlie Power given to man of condeesing aO(l.qxPressing his and bad, the sound acid the unsound ,parts, and not to gratify
thought, through; the ageney.of,wgids-,and yet. the discovery of
the wilfaluess of ignorance, or to fulfil the dreams of visional ies
the printing-pre.ss was reserved to a very lute,
.end that too,bst and enthusiasts.. Reform commenced whit a sincere. desire to
it remembered, asreforming era. , This, the greatest discovery
in-throve and not to destroy -1 urn ready and willing to support;
in art, was also practically the greatest; reform the world ever
knew, and the parent of every improvement in science, morals, but any reform likely to lead tea revolution I will resist to the
of my power, whether proposed by whig. tort', or radi-
and ell thearts of civilizedlife by which it buy been succeeded. utmost
i
a Muth as I venerate the wisdom of our ancestor's, Ido not.
To the press. we owe the. illumination of the dark cavernous e • • • , '
recognise their eight to fetter us with their bequests, nor do 1
abodes of ignorance and superstition; it called into existence
recognise our right to fetter generations unborn with the ' wis-
almast a new creation of the human species;, its spread of
(loin of the. resent day; but am not disposed to part with .a
knowledge has changed the face,of nature by turning the mo-
rass
.and barrep desert into dishful. corn fields and pleasapt certain for aP problernalical or. • possible good, merely because a
few scioloes selfsdubbed philosophers choose to force their haft-
meadOws.. Theseel centeud, are the results of the labours of
wedged speculations .upon us, as the restilt of deep study and
that illmitrious reformer, t he. rei t N T,IN.G .1.1t1485, . Every impreve-
!veh.c'titw-a.l.wissdoni:
ruin Frederick the Great, of Prussia, once said,
menein sciemecovhether mechanical, gptiCaretnedical; or chemi,
it 1 wished to the most flourishing nation on 'the face of
cal, are so many reforms or encroachment, nNii, the. ancient.
the eartle.l would, place it under the gavernment of a set of 1
preserves of error and delusion. • Scarce a quarter 4 century,
philosophers." Old Fritz was right ;—he knew the conceit, the 1
has elapsed since Peter Winsor, the inventor 9,1 r,as-liglit,vas
inordinate vanity, and the eels-suffieiency of these animals;
assailed with every missile that the armoury of rid cute and vieu-
aral to these qualities he attributed the certain failure of all
Aeration could supply, as "a moutebank, and Vishatary.enthri-
siast," for daring even to imagine the bare possiinlity 'of their schemes. A constitution, for anvecountry or people, is
ot theiriveirk of an hour. It must, to be of any value,. he lease.d
.
extracting light from darkiless. It was said on that occasion—
(lnn,. the ler bits end peculiarities, or it. will 'fall. to the greuod
" Sheittid. his scheme be practicable, it would ruin our whale
steita„.tfoe.elTielinagltser; our's .we must compare it with the existing
fisheries, ruin our nursery for seamen, and, therefore, ruin our
our hopes on something
and. if we wish to be successful, we Must rest
navy, and reduce Bimetand to the situation of a province of
Prance." These arguments were gravely adduced in parliament. superior to mere human wisdom.
The inference I mean to draw from these admitted improve= Mister 11, .M‘SirEattv.—l have listened with great attention '
ments is this:'--As we were too short-sighted, too' limited, and to the speeches delivered in the course of this night's debate, end
finite in our capacities to•foresee only twenty:fire years Since the I rise Only to remark that in the whole course of it thename pf
possibility of procuring a brilliant and inexhauetible supply of Ireland has not once been even mentioned,. Ireland„ the country
light; applicable to all the purposes for which light is required, from which England is supplied with all her pigs, patriiitseend
from-an unwholesome gaseous vapour; as we were at an earlier potatoes, is too unimportant a'sectioti of the empire to engross
period of our existence, as n nation, incapable of foreseeing the the time or attention 'of an English House of Commons: Alas!
possibility of multiplying, ad intinitum, copies of the sacred my unhappy country ! " First -oein 'of the earth, first thither of
scriptures through the agency of a. eery simple mechanical ine, the.—"(e laugh ) oh!--I ineent first flower of the earth and first
vention „. the possibility of calculating the distance between oor gen! of the sea; but it is all the satne in the end =(a laugh)—
own and other worlds by the aid of improvements-in optical I thy wrongs; unleippe Irelendl are never nientiOned; thy griev-
sciente; the PossitYility of circumnavigating and coinpreherid- • ances will never be redressed S 6 long. as thy legislators are re-
ing the fortis 'of the globe by the help of the mariner's cinupass; moved from thy soil. The people of Ireland are treated as " here-
the possibilify of travelling on land at the rate of thirty. or forty .ditityy botidsnien" ever have been treated by their enslavers- if
miles an hohr propelled by self-moving steam power;—as our they cry for justice they are answered with a scourge; if they
ancestors whole' wisdom we venerate could not imagine these 'refuse to obey the laws of their opriressors—lairs made without
things,—and a vast number which I forbear to particularise— their knhwledge, Privitv'er consent—niurder, wholesale masse-
possible, sn it is not for us to determine what improvementsin t ere is their portion. The Irish are ruled by a succession ofgeL
our laws and institutions are or are nut impracticable, what is verriors, the satraps of •e worse than oriental
.despetiem,. and`
likely to reuevate or what will destroy them. I support thea
" the finest, peasantry in the World" are kept in state tif worse
•ti oriental bondage. These I know ere unpelitatle• motion "of my hon. friend for an ingoiry into the state of the 'than ,
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.truths
•upon broad principle a furthering the cause of when spoken in England, Litt as the ineniber for Ireland, nation, the I can-
reform generally; or,' in other words, of adapting our laws end .t not but feel; in . bitterness,
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.. silence ie.
institutions to the altered state of things in the tinte.ive live served in this haise respecting the land irf my forefathers. The
in. Gentlemen on the opposite benches. have, so accniteimeth niotkit betoreabe house in no way concerns Irela,nd, and there-
themselves to identity. the words "fere' m" and "revolution" ' fore does ,not-contern me. Whether -i,t, i's Carried or rejected: j
as synonymous, that they. cannot bring themselves to regard . Care not. BefOrethe horniiienceitient or this debate; I presented
se in the case of Den iis. " , - "
them: as possesetng totay 'different meanings. They Must, • a 'petition to the heti _ 1, 12 She
~,lenees,y,
however, make tip their minds to this,-we must have "reform" whose head' was broken fair' of Bfllyrtigke‘tt,
.by,'/liir-ney
-s ilat,e noy; elapsed sine thiri affair wt.'s In or "revolutibn." • For me revolution has no terrors. Etigland 0' Flirin. Thhee hoes. . „
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in the course of her extraordinary history h,,s.beeli blepea with ' tionerf,'ilnd Yet-troineeiryhee been made:by the Irish secretili*_in-
more thati one revolution, from Whose ordeal she haseisen with "tot he 011h:blare attic -outrage, 6f-which lie.pretentiedto bilino-
fres h •energi-,. like the "cleansed leper," or "a ghint refreshed ritnt. This lithe Way in which' the hest iptereeth nteliel'end. are
with wine." Revolutions are, perhaps the thundee storms or negleeted,the wits in whicitthr.ir OtiCtite is eihaUSted, 'and
the political and moral atinospheie. These convillsions may be their feetinge rietraged., Every insult that can be imagined is
awful4.terrific,. hilt • they punt's' the. air; become titrwholesbme - heaped 'upon the people -of , Ireland. -V. even in the title of
pby heinoverChaeged with the electric fluid. The statesman the King there •is ite studied insert to the Irish, fle. is styled
Who preients the necessity fiir'these wars of the political eleinentS . Kinn, of Great liritai,n'airct IrCland,"—there it is, .Ireland after
kettle tied to a dig's tail. . Honour-,
is the wisest, and, thereforC, the best fitted to wield the destinies Greatltitain, like A tin , .
' " • .. • . . able gentle Men may laugh, but I Should like' to know why the
of nattous.
lc • ' ilGreat 8.. ii'll Master W. SCILLESINGLIL—After
"what has been said in title ShoUld not be tug of Ireland au lit 1 , fur the