The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1833-08-30 00:00:00

HOUSE OF LORDS, TUESDAY, AUGUST 27.

Mr. WA LLE R, from the Woods and Forests, presented at the
bar the 10th report of the Commissioners of the Holyhead
Roads; also the 10th report of the Commissioners of his Ma-
jestv's Woods and Forests, Laud Revenues, Works and Build-
in S, being the fourth annual report of the said Commissioners.
—Laid on the table.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY brought up the report of the
Committee on the Tithes Arrears (Ireland) Bill, which was
agreed to, after a few remarks from the Duke of Wellington
and Viscount Melbourne.
The bill, with amendments, was then ordered to be read a
third time to-morrow.

The AlerchantSeamen's Wages Bill was read a third time
and passed.
The Stamp Forgeries Bill was read a third time and passed.
The Consolidated Fund (Appropriation) Bill passed through
a committee, was reported, and ordered to be read a third time
to-morrow.

..._.._ _
The Church Building Act Amendment Bill and the Civil List
Charges Bill, were reported.—To be read a third time on Wed-
nesday.

CIIVNCERY REGULATION BILL.

The order of the day for considering the amendments of the
Commons on the above-named bill having been read,
The Loan CHANCELLOR said, according to the notice which
he had last night given, he now rose to offer a few remarks
upon the amendments which had been made in the Commons
On this bill. To many of the clauses as filled up he entertained
no abjection whatever, but there was one exception which he
must make to this admission. To one of the amendments he
entertained a very great and insuperable objection. The bill
had been referred to a committee in the House of Commons,
:it'd in conformity with the recommendation of that committee
the amendments clad been made. According to the customary
course of Parliamentary proceedings, blanks were left in the
original bill, in the money clauses, for the House of Commons
to till up. Their lordships were aware in the original bill it
was Proposed with regard to certain officers, that their salaries
should partly consist of salary and partly of fees, the principal
part being in salary; provided always, as he stated when the
measure was introauced, that the fees were not to he in the
slightest degroe under the officer's control. Now the House
of Commons had altered the bill in this way, making the whole
of the emoluments in salary, leaving nothing to be added in
the shape of fees. In some of the cases probably no objection
need be made to the arrangement, but in others he considered
it mien to considerable objection, especially among the inferior
offiCers. The clerks of the Register and Masters were thus to
be paid entirely by salary. The first and second clerks of the
Register were each to receive £BOO per annum, and the third
and fourth £6OO. The first clerk of the Masters was to have r%
fixed yearly income of £lOOO. Now he (the Lord Chan-

cellor) should say, that as the business of those officers was
conducted entirely in private; being only seen by the solicitors
and the Masters and Registers, he was of opinion that the
proper stimulus to exertion was taken away, by fixing remune-
ration wholly. by salary. ' He really could not help considering
this as an unfortunate arrangement of the Commons. -fie
hoped, however, that these officers would perform their duty,
but he knew that where fixed salaries were thus made, there
was too great a disposition in human nature to get through the
business with as little exertion as possible. Ile believed at
first the parties might be induced to fulfil their duties, but,
after a time he was apprehensive there would be a relaxation of
them, and business would proceed less expeditiously. He
should be glad to find that he was not accurate in this estimate,
and he did not intend to impute any such improper motives to
the persons who now filled these offices. If, however, the plan
now proposed shou.d not work well, he was satisfied, from the
candour which the House of Commons had exhibited, an im-
provement in the system would not be there objected to. What
he had urged as objections to the amendment were felt as such
by the barristers and solicitors practising, in the Courts of
Equity, and he should call the attention of Parliament again
to the subject next session. He now moved that the amend-
ments be agreed to and adopted.
The motion was agreed to, and, after some bills had been
advanced one stage, the house adjourned at a quarter to six.

LOSDON POLICE REPORT.

MAN SION-HOUSE.'

On Tuesday public curiosity was most powerfully excited by
the examination of Mr. Thomas Cox Savory, of NO. 51, Corn-
hill, silversmith, upon a charge of having in his possession
various silver articles upon which were forged marks of the
Goldsmiths' Company. A great number of the most eminent
persons in the trade were prbsent during the investigation.
Several members of the Society of Friends attended, Mr.
Savory being one of that religious class.
Mr. Alley attended for the prosecution, which was instituted
by the Goldsmiths' Company. Mr. Hobler4jun., appeared as
solicitor for Mr. Savory.
Mr. Alley stated that the case was one of the most important
as regarded the public and the character of the English nation
in foreign countries. The practice of forging the marks of the
company was, he regretted to say, carried on to a most ruinous
and alarming extsnt, and the government were def.:ended and
the fair trader injured in proportion. The duty whish was
evaded by the forgeries amounted to ls. 6d. an ounce, so that
the criminal person could under-sell the rest of the trade, and
of course command a very great business. Mr. Savory's shop
was furnished with articles which were disposed of at a rate
which caused some suspicion that very extraordinary skill was
exercised by him, and purchases were made which soon exhi-
bited the nature of the arrangements by which the trade of the
house was carried on. It would require the ingenuity of a
casuist to shoe how Mr. Savory could be supposed to be inno-
cent of the knowledge of the fact, kept up as it was from day
to day continuously in his shop. A person named Treeu, whis
had been iii the employ, of Mr. Savory, and who had pawned
some silver spoons, absconded when the noise was made about
the offence, and the pawnbroker at whose shop the goods were
pledged, seeing something rather odd about the marks, took
them to the ball, where the fraud was instantly detected.
Mr. Wood, pawnbroker, of N 0.35, St. John's-street, deposed
that he took in pledge about three weeks ago several teaspoons,
some of which were pawned in the name.of Treen, and some iu
the name of Cook. Upon examining them he suspected that
some trick had been played about the marks, and he took them
to Goldsmith's-hall, where the marks were pronounced to be
forgeries. The initials "T. C. S." were upon the spoons.
Mr. John Smith, assayer to the stamp-office of the Goldsmiths'
Company, deposed that the marks on the spoons exhibited were
forgeries. The King's head, the leopard, and the lion, were all
forged. They were well executed.
Mr. Georgt; Miles, assay-master of the Goldsmith's Company,
deposed that he went on Priday last to Mr. Savory's shop, and
examined the plate there. 'lie found about twent-tive or
twenty-six ounces with forged "narks. The duty was is. fid.
an ounce. Mr. Cope, the marshal, left a person in the shop to
take care of the goods. .
Mr. William Cox, prime warden of the Goldsmiths' Com-
pany, deposed that in consequence of information he had re-
ceived he went, at the desire of his brother wardens, to Mr.
Savory's shop, and asked for half-a-dozen teaspoons. There
were three persons in the shop behind the counter, and two of
them waited upon witness. rlhey handed him the spoons he re-
quired, and he was satisfied that the marks were forgeries. He
asked whether they had any others, and whether the marks of
Goldsmith's-hall were upon the spoons. They replied, that if
they omitted to have the articles marked at Goldsmiths'-hall
the penalty upon each omission would have been £5O. He
purchased five spoons for £2, and took them home, and he as-
certained at Goldsmith's-hall that the marks upon them were
forgeries.
Mr. Alley.—l 'don't charge Mr. Savory with having sold
forged plate himself; I charge him with having possession of
it. As I said before, the trade are deeply interested in this in-
vestigation. Mr. Savory, by evading the payment of the duty,
has been enabled to sell a great deal cheaper than other per-
sons. The fraud is in every respect a most dangerous and de-
structive one to the fair dealer. Customers who have purchased
plate of Mr. Savory have gone into the shops of other silver-
smiths and reproached them with the dearness of the articles
they sold, exhibiting Mr. Savory's goods as a proof of the ex-
tortionate price of the rest of the trade.
Mr. Holder, jun.—Your lordship must not look at this case
as TOU would view a charge made against a known offender,
whime previous habits would render an inquiry less difficult.
This charge has been made against a young man of unimpeach-
able character, just coming into life, with most respectable
friends and connexions, a member of a religious community
well known in every part of the world, and respected for their
humanity and the correctness of their moral conduct, and most
exemplary in their commercial transactions.
Mr. Alley.—That's no answer to the positive possession of
spoons with forged marks upon them.
The Lord Mayor (to Mr. Nobler, jun.)—l know that your
client is in excellent hands, and that vou will not let him say a
word that may tell against himself; hilt I shall persevere in my
determination to examine prisoners as well as witnesses. It
was hut the other day Mr. Justice James Parke stated his sur-
prise, in the course of the trial of two atrocious offenders, that
their confessions had not been taken down in writing, and con-
demned the practice of cautioning prisoners not to say anything
that might prejudice themselves on their trial. "If guilty,"
said the Judge, "the more they told, and the more certain their
conviction was rendered, the better. Prisoners are not to be
entrapped into a confession : they are to be told it would be
used against them, Everything they chose to say should be
taken." Now, I consider that the onus lies upon Mr. Savory
to account for these forged marks.
Mr. Hobler.—We can prove that we have uniformly paid
everything which other silversmiths pay.
Mr. Jeremiah Fuller produced the books of the company,
from which it appeared that Mr. Savory had not made any en-
try of the place in which the plate be sold had been manufac-
tured. All that was entered was " Thomas Cox Savory, 54,
Cornhill," the conclusion to be inferred from which was, that
the manufactory was there. Witness always asked persons
making entries where their manufactories were.
Mr. Savory, sen., father of the defendant.—They never re-
quired more than that at Goldsmiths'-hall. They Inive no more
than my address, 14, Cornhill, on their books, and they consi-
der that quite sufficient.
Mr. Alley.—All that I can say about that is, that von, too,
are guilty of a violation of the act of Parliament, and subject
to heavy penalties for not having entered your workshop.
The Lord Mayor.—The defendant has certainly deceived the
Goldsmiths' Company by not giving them the address of his
manufactory. I should like to know how long has this man
named Treen, who pawned the articles, been in the employ-
ment of Mr Savory.
Mr. Nobler, jun. prevented Mr. Savory from answering the
question, and said that Treeu had not been long in the service
of the defendant.

The Lord Mayor.—flow did he happen to be in possession of
the plate with forged marks upon it?
Mr. llobler.—lt might have been purchased at other shOps.
Mr. Brook, the silversmith at the corner of the Poultry, and
severaLaller eminent silversmiths, here declared, that the im-
putation cast upon the trade by the observation of the defend-
ant's solicitor was completely grocindless. No respectable
tradesman had plate with forged marks. It was to be found no
where but with one man. .

The. Lord Mayor.—l shall certainly require bail for the ap-
pearance of Mr. Savory. The offence with which he stands
charged is punishable by transportation for fourteen years. I
have an objection to take bail generally, from my knowledge of
the effect produced by it upon the minds of the jury; but I shall
consent to take it in thin ease, in the present stage of the pro-
ceedings.
Mr. Nicholson, the silversmith of Cornhill, assured the Lord
Mayor that persons had walked into his shop, and showing him
spoons which they had just bought at Mr. Savory's, said,
" Look at these, I got them at Savory's for 4s. 6d. &piece, while
you ask for the same sorQof article 65.," just the difference caused
by the duty. Mr. Nicholson declared that the plan of under-
selling in this manner had caused the most dreadful injury to
the trade. Men who had a command of money to any extent
could not get up plate at the rate Mr. Savory sold it. It was
quite impossible; • the trade all knew it, and were long asto-
nished at the unparalleled cheapness of the plate of that gentle-
man; but now the miracle was all over.
_ _ _

Mi. Savor was then bailed, and left the justice-room.

LAMBETILSTREET, SATURDAY, AUG. 2G.

During the day a tall Jack tar, well rigge'd, and about three
sheets in the wind, stalked into the office, and having doffed
his straw castor, exhibded a weather-beaten face, which was
still bleedingliom a recent and violent blow. He intimated
that he wanted to make a complaint to their honours, and was
desired to say on. Jack gave his quid an extra turn, and com-
menced :—" I am a sailor, d'y see, and am just come home.
When I landed I went to look for my wife. She's a bad girl,
ye'r honours; and not like me, for I'm a true blue. Well,
where d'ye think I found her? Shiver my timbers (giving his
trousers a hitch and spitting on the floor,) if I didn't catch her
at another man's house, and he had been keeping her for me,
as he said. When my wife saw me I axed how she was, and
she says to me says she, Lord, is that you ? Well, I thought
I knowed your face? (Laughter.) Well, your honours, I
turned in there 'cause the man said he'd do for me, and my
wife too, quite cheap. Yesterday 1 was paid, but I'm
scratched his
head. Mr. Walker told him to try back.) He resumed, and
said that his landlord took a clean smockfrock out of his bag
and wore it without his permission, and for that he told him he.
had a b--v sight of impudence;. upon- which, said Jack, he
opened a broauside upon me and made a cut at my fore-top.
There was a lobster by, and I told him to take the man into
custody, but he said he would not. Won't you, says I, then
I'll take you, my hearty' (laughter), but he wouldn't stand that,
so he made me cut and run, and swore the other chap was in
the right."
Mr. Walker.—lf the policeman said you were wrong, no
doubt you were; so go away, and come again when you are
sober. _ _

Jack smacked his hat upon his head, turned his quid, spat
upon the floor, gave his trousers a hitch, and looking round the
office as he swaggered nut, muttered, " A fine ship 'to be sure,
but a d-d rum quarter-deck."

DEATH OP TUE COUNTESS OF ABERDEEN.—On Monday
night the Countess of Aberdeen expired at the residence of her
husband, Argyll-house, after a severe and painfully protracted
illness of five months. From the commencement of the illness
of her Ladyship no hopes were entertained of her recovery.—
Br the Earl of Aberdeen, who was her Ladyship's second hus-
band, she has left five children—four sons and a daughter,—
Information was instantly sent to Scotland to the Marquis of
Abercorn of the death of his mother, as well as the other
',ranches of her family.

"TAMING OF THE SnaEw."--1600, July 17.—Compeared
Margaret 'Wilson°, spoils to Duncan Bennet, quha be sufficient
try el is fund ane abuser and blasphemar of hir husband, of the
elileris of the kirk and hir nychburis, mony and diviris tomes,
nocht onlie in the day licht, bot in the nocht, nochtwithstand-
ing of mony admonitionis she bee recavit of the elderis of the
kirk to absiein theirfra, and therefer the bretherein of the kirk
thinkis meit that the baillies put her in the .brankis, in the
nattier end of the toun, in the sycht of her nvchburis, quherby
she may be movit to abstein fra the lyk offences tomes
coming, with certificatione, gyf the lyk be fund in hir here-
after, that the baillies wil be desyrit to put hir in the govis.—
Record, of the kirk Session of Stirling for ION).