The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1844-07-09 00:00:00

•July 9, 1 S-14.

TOWN COUNCIL PROCEEDINGS.

On
Wednetiny the usual monthly meeting of the Cowl-
El Was held at the Tawn.,hall.

FINANCE COMMITTEE.
Prom the proefedirirri of the 1,,n nice Committee it ap-
peared than. the Town-clerk had received a corninunici-
tiot.i from the solicitor of the venders relative to the de!av
Which had taken plat .t in the settlement of the purchase
oftheWavertre,-hall estate—that all parties were at pre-
sent in treaty for an amicable arrangement, and that it
iras hoped the settlement would take place in a few days.
he proceedings were confirmed.
The Corn WATCH COMMITTEE.
mittee reported that on the 25th ult. a pars-
raPh had appeared in the Morning Post, to the effect
street
that the late fire in Bancroft's ware4ouse, in Redcross-
stable h
was the work of an incendiaoy. Tie Head Con-
fu., , reported that there was not the least ground
r Believing the fire to have been the act of an incendiary,
and that reuort had been forwarded for insertion in the
31orning Pont.

DOCK COMMITTEE.
The proceedings of the Dock Committee, under the ex-
isting acts, having h-en read,
Mr. BRAMLEY-MOOR.E moved th--ir confirmation, and
rethird ported t',at the Liverpool Dock 1311 had pissed the
readin; in tile House of Lords just as it went from
wl7;,,;,"uncil, with the exception of the leasing clause,
."" was restricted to twenty-one years. This was the
only to
that had been made.
• The Ni Alcoa expressed his gratification at hearing the
intelligence.

IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEE.
lipnn t'
ne proceedings of the Improvement Committee
being read,
Mr. ti •
vas a • HORNBY said it appeared that Parker-street
arrang-re ,
en the
bout to be widened, and that any new undertakings
part of the committee were contrary to previous
finau - elt, Particularly in the pre,,ent state of the
tb n,,ekes of the corooratin. The widening of the street,
•12-b". exceedingly desirable. would entail a heavy ex-
...-nse.
taMr, B
"e Y, ARCLAY said it was not to be done with any new
on lbut with money the expenditure of which was
Th: 1Y co,itemplat:d.
- Proceecqrig, were confirmed.

in moving o RTs OF LAW COMMITTEE.
Mr. H• LAWRENCE,CO
proceedings of this committee. took the opportunity of
Stating that, as he should be absent from Liverpool,nr fotroar
COnSitleTahle time, and as it was essentialnly_nrecvensste L..
thftenembers of the committee to attend and
iicis
selves to their arduous duties, he wished place to be
filled by some other gentleman. Mr._ Barclay had given
valuable advice. and greatly assisted the committee, and
be.proposed that at the
theensinueitattticaioeu,nicleil Mr. Barclay be
• elected a member.(Mr. Lawrence)
begged leave to resign his seat on the committee.
Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE asked, with respect to the in-
ternal arrangements of the Law Courts, whether he un-
derstood the committee to express an opinion in their
proceedings that the courts were likely to be inconveni-
ently large, arid whether they were proposing to remedy
that defect by calling on the council to incur an additional
outlay ?
Mr. LLOYD said that Mr. Baron Parke and Mr. Baron
Alderson were consulted on the subject, and that the for-
mer had expressed an opinion Chit t e courts were too
large. In consequence of th.s the committee had asked
Mr. Elates, the architect. to make a report ut on the ne-
• eessary alterations, so that the council might have the
fullest information. Mr. Elrnes thought it desirable to
erect some columns, from which curtains might be drop-
• sped, '0 that when the public took an interest in any trial,
and the court was crowded, the curtains might be drawn
P, as was the case in some of the London courts. The
- columns would not make any alteration in the roof.
The proceedings were confirmed.
EDUCATION COMMITTEE.
The
been read pceedings of the Education Committee having
,
ro
Mr. MOLYNEUX moved their confirmation, and said
that at the next council it would be necessary to fill up
the vacancy in the committee, occasioned by the death of
Mr. Ras.
t,Mr. GLADSTONE said he wanted not to excite any un-
easunt feelings by offering remarks on the subject of
-`4le4tinn, Yet he could not but express his regret that,
onnrtssidering the important objects of the schools, the re-
tieuf the Education Committee to the council ebould
. ao limited in their details—so meagre and unsatisfac-
16utramend
7_4°7. H.
. Perfectly recollected that some time ago a reso-
vt as passed by the committee, and of erwards con-
the
iiiotoirtb!nethe cau • 1 derin it no longer necessary on
lehoolas": the comnittreeen to ngpiirt to the council the re-
enominations of the cnildren who attended the
But he never understood by the adoption of that
I);_e.etetnoe:lfiu i that the council were to he kept in a state of
gnrrce as to the efficiency of the schools, and tl
He
Y were conferring on the community.
hoped the committee might think it necessary to take an
early °PPortunity of stating the advantages which the
e
leTsnorer classes especially were deriving front theac. ; for
as :,idered that the council would not discharge their duty
the on representatives of the people unless they saw that
'dicionci-"eY expended in the support of the schools was ju-
re -t'slY and proper! expended, and that the community
eeived ao Y
..
r. adequa'e return.
achoot ' II• LAWRENCE, on the part of the South
,dueealw ,s, challenged any inquiry which could be instituted.
ofs PerfeetlY satisfied the schools were doing a great
,cotnea. good. i
-1 there was anything wrong in them, the
lad report it tee would immediately come down to the council
,factori; but so long as everything was going on satin-
' tePort tag no report was needed. The committee did not
Thade .:'" names or creeds of the children—indeed they
• Stile dll •,° infllfTieS of 'the kind. 'flirty 1E44 not whether
he theulireLl 'vela Roman Catholics or Protestants ; and
s ties. e co__
Tii! it
nttee was a wise determination on the pa, t of hot h
irl and council to abstain from all such inept-
• curtain, wa surest way to prevent lioman Catholics from
• Mr• No!: t° ask such questions. (Hear.)
~ n what tisrn asked whether Mr. Gladstone would point
numb the
ilia
could report ? They repotted the
upon which .attendance ; and if there was anything else
objection t,,lararination was required, there could be no
r 1-I„re"rt it.
Lasts--s" cm
reaker, and ne agreed with the observation of the
was inethcienpu t!'ud that if Mr. Gladstone tin ught there
what '
principles decided ..: i'
it colisisted
u.::,l"saht to go and examine, and see in
l'a schools we.e conducted on the
them ales
""n by. the council. Tne conduct of
Wwilishet '
altsnde lie knew not
dr tceeding in a manner satisfactory to those
whether Mr. Gladstone
eniar r the eotemittee to report the examination of parti-
the i. the
s ; but it' he attended and saw any deficiency,
tou
.I(7lthit,ee should feel obliged to him fur information
fn ( In anything he discovered incorrect and not ttswer-
g islet,ir we or which the schools were instituted.
litid if he P b 8 . fi d with what he witnessed, lie (Mr.
Ilotivor) was
he would report the tact to the coutii,te-
'C''• 1311 E user ything was going on from day
dtoo.daey i
otif ac-
ordinary course of every school, and w.thuandeer,,
degree
the
tivity and diligence on the part
Schools were placed, that was aolftotgheotsheer satisfactory to
Gladstone would point out any-
t he committee.
thing that the
adopt
f committee could specifica ly do, they should
be happy to Inhits wishes. (Hear.)
Mr. HORNDY obsctved that he was extremely averse to
saying anything. g
on a
td subject; which had excited so much
tinoleasant feell that he would nest advert to the
n
principle on which
i
a
the schools were conducted. He
agreed, however, with Mr. Gladstone that it was most de-
airaLle to have a report of the advantages of the system of
education which was being pursued by the
every other department they required a strict account of
every l farthin • expended ; and in a matter of so great on-
. Portanee as the education of the poorer classes, they ought
" have a much more detailed account than that they ge-
terallv received.
in." Pro All he wished for was an account of
gress the children were making, and what num-
Airrer4 r'neeiving education—
' Mr. n • lt • LAwnersco.—That you have.
those ' "RNIIY concluded by repeating that he had made
se?bservations without reference to the principle of
education.r decided on by the council.
b_in. • GLADsTONE said reference had been made to what
_eettfitouglit necessary in the drawing up of the report. In
1 I d
azt place, he con-idered that ail classes of society
poraq equal right to the benefits derivable from the. cor-
to know expenditure ; and if this were the case, he wished
the t;_w whether, without distinction of religious creed,
be
new_eerr classes were deriving benefit from trletendsecrliinouol7.t.
• aneriseevesa understood, when the resolution
ehildr
Was to report the religious. denomination of the
-en w
of
entlhicenit as passed, that the chairman, or any member
raecnatinn Committee was not to Ilse and state that
n the
or different religious denominations were
But lt council had never heard
i'eures tne subjec.t ; and beyond the mere matter of.
• he td a las to the
there numbers in aVendance, he had never
_mngle circumstance worth listening to. Surely
kaakinwust 1,
of thiBg hater be some children in attendance who were
Proficiency
. der the than others. He was certain
fer the details of the education proceedings un-
• Zent hitt) particulars
sYstem were 'extremely full, and that they
tioy!t aurysasrticulars of all kinds; and when a number of
ttelntee taC: ed others, there was generally some sort of
cat. dark . ilt cif them. But now the council were quite in
eteeaa!td he de really knew nothing of what was going
eefvi4nLated ,ged any member to rise and say.that he was
on tk! front tll the advantages the community werere-
. '.llr- T, was , schools, and that the money expended
to be
se hail" and judiciously laid out.
. them. ',tea by .441 the advantages of the schools were
• the conhlh,ere er2erY individual who chose to frequent
periodical-"n was r-*" no difficulty about it ; every member of
self, exam. re
to go and visit; and there were
• . be tif he s inatioos He frequently walked in him-
-asattauld • saw anYthi S.
' he conceived to be wrong,
n littoedia , ag which
delights ever yet they'
te Y bring it before the council.; but he
, . e that h was not highly gratified and
... VinelPle oni"ndeed, Mr.eGladstone was *aiming at the
• tinor; Parker7ilieb the education was conducted, which he
by the 'r h e ciatbe.r thought he was, that was. another
commit etto,..itnurnittee carried out the principle adopted
1 4' to th
strange ee had very letter ; and the conduct of e
etedge for m done them credit. (Hear.) It was very
v it r. Gladstone to get up and oppose the pro-
as It nn the ro
144 Ptnisible to und that the reports were vague.. How
, pri t.teticoa
~,. make any other reports, seeing that the
Ita!lelPle era;'" the council were being carried out, that the
•ti...lor,ty
of
thepretty well settled, and that, so long as the
. trIZIPIe vio..;.council was constituted as at present, that
titer! Yierwar",;(l be maintained. If Mr. Gladstone would
M' ne (mu any specific charge against the man.age-
that tiilleackr• Parker) should be happy to support him.
l'ae ° repotnultN, while agreeing with Mr. Gladstone
• aztr ts were • sanest teems! d • ere meagre, candidly admitted that it
said iffioutt to make them otherwise. The bu-
tnakeNllt i , of ordinary schools of this kind could not
in
the it tr,ter_oryard in a report in such a manner as to
appeTriProec4tlng ; and the fullness of detail observable
with ,!nfetit ictlgB of former committees arose out of the
ale. 014, some of the boys as monitors. He agreed
's etone as to the right of all parties to receive

educa ion at the Corporation z-chools; bat that poi, In
he,ol alrea iy se- tied. In otter r.,pe,ts i.e did not
tie committee con id give any general iotorm,tion e-pect-
mg a co,nmon selrmi of tttis descriation. (I-Jeer ) lle
had only voine to the schools ontte, in emoequence of a
r,inark having been made in the council wh'eli made him
think that lie was n t a very welcome vision-.
Mr. G. 11. I,AwßENcE.—Yiere was no feeling of that
sort : I am sure we shall he very glad to see Mr. Black-
burn th-re at any time. (hear.)
Mr. HonusoN thought Mr. 131.ckburn had mistaken
the feeling of the committee. They were orpased to his
views, but, nevertheless, they should be glad to see biin
at the schools, and to attend to any observations he might
hive to make. (Hear, hear.) He had an undoubted
right to ga there ; and he (Mr. Hodgson) hoped every
gentleman would feel that while the maj rity in the coun-
cil took tin it present stand on the subject of education,
they respected the feelings and motves of those who dif-
fered from them in opinion. (Hear.)
Mr. BLACKBURN thought it would be des'rable to no-
tify to the Council when the public examinations at the
schools were ab nut to take place.
It was understood that a notification to this effect would
in future be made.
The proceedings were confirmed.
HEALTH COMMITTEE.
The proceed:flys of the Health Committee comprised a
report on the washhnu-es mud baths for the last two years.
It appeared from th s report that the omnber of baths
used in 1813 was 11,661 and in 184-1, 16;323, showing an
increase of 4662. In 1843, 9837 tubs of clothes hal been
broueht to the washhou•es, and in 1814, 12,067 tubs,
showing an increase of 2230. The receipts from the baths
and washh ons,-s in 1843 amounted to £159 118. ld., and
in 1814 to £2BO 2s. ILL, showing an inerea.e of £l2O Ils.,
and a total income for the two years of £439 13s. 2J. The
proceedings of this committee, also comprised a report
from the Town-clerk to Sir James Graham, on the sun-
ject of cellar occupation. It appeared an idea was enter-
tained at the Ronne-office that the measures rusotted to
by tie authorities of Liverpool for putting an end to the
occupation of cellars were accompanied with inconvenient
sev, rity ; and the letter was written with the view of dis-
abusing Sir Juices Graham of any such erroneous inn-
pression. It set forth that, by means of notices and oh-
cards, the number of inhAhed cellars in crurts was re-
duced from 700 to 551, and at present to 117; and that
this was dote wits one ,tinv penalty being enforced, any
forcible proceeding being had recourse to, and without a
single complaint of harshness. In the sane manner, the
inhabited cellars, not in courts, wou'd be dealt with—
mildly but firmly. There were 6315 of such cellars in Li-
verpool, and of these 2334 might pe wide conformable to
the act, leaving 3978 to be dealt with. -