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re to be compelled to return its elemel
of its practical benefits? What must 1
must be .the prudence and discretion
t contend that, because he had oppose(
ago, and had subsequently found tha
ted by it, he was therefore to be bon
'ns •' he was not to reap the benefits of e
•akthe connection which he had forts
:very link of it, and to destroy the nobt
ed ornament and value from the la'
kd that it was the duty of Parliamen
11 of a. free country, when it was made 1
aseas which ought to influence the Lc
rY, that general opinion was the chief.
Itniment, did he mean to assert that the
sehief—the incendiary who gloated of
a "110 made the defenceless his prey—
' through all the bonds of society—wh
Ivil good—who planted his footsteps in
;AL, path by the ruin and desolation whicl
''' he mean to assert that the feelings oi
''' respected?—and was he to be told, w
,the, sangnary atrocities of such re
Pie that he could be a friend to Irelan,
fl, e for any man who voted for these stron
l`"we wrongs of Ireland? There mig
; 'llld not give him credit for feeling
tail()eilhatTdi'bt uwtasif
hits
isvosteele
inrefaasvoonurfoor
liicsil
outa shelter himself under the authorit
d Irish patriot, who had not scrupled
„of violence when the emergency seems
,; 'rant quoted the declaration of Mr.
6r :tied measures of temporary coercion ii
1,11 0f quiet for the application of perrc
reontinued grievances. The subjects of 1
~,t/r4l, Mr. Grant said, would soon be broul
-till °I Parliament. Into those projects, 1
Sri
enter, for his wish was to advert soh
i', them. Mr. Buiwer had attributed ;
eil!l_3v prevailed in Ireland to the conduc
,-,;`,,a,a (...abinet. Now, he for one would i
tb"(aas compliment. lie frankly avowe
,/, Party to ail the measures adopt I
It, „‘'er great the reluctance might beed by
with v
Le'easures of coercion, yet he was prepar,
:ecasion required, and necessity called
tote of of Government, not only to those wl
i and assassinated, but also to those
:do:delusion, to apply them with a firm
; it ,he cont
previous to the Union would not 1
el)-mq:„11,ees. The old Irish Parliament had bet
'o. der, the slave of every base and tyral

tion was mooted, that so far from a repeal of the U
a remedy for the political ills and social grievances
it would bitterly, perhaps incurably, aggravate both•
Did they want a separation ? a Hibernian ref
so, their conduct was comprehensible and consist
Ireland to be a second Hanover ?—a nominal King i
a virtual government in Dublin ? England might
Hanover at war. Now, this was not the aim of

of Ireland. Well, then, they meant one exe4
two independent legislatures.. This was utterly ifll
with the first principles of the science of governmel
such a state of things as two independent legislatures
actual executive, possible ? The King's Bench
might be independent of and, as to Ireland, co-equa
King's Bench in London, but it was wholly otherwise
machinery of legislation. Suppose that the English
Commons was favourable to war, while the Irish Hous
mons declared that we should remain at peace a
court, at which our ambassador had in vain sought S
some national grievance, would the honourable me),
a representative to that power from the King of Ell
another from the King of Ireland? Or suppose thel
perial ambassador impeached in Ireland, while tl
Parliament was voting thanks for his diplomatic con
the two Houses remain under the same executive

year ? Did not Ireland, herself furnish a painfully
lesson of direct application ? In ] 782 she obtain
first time, the semblance of an independent legislate
deplorable events which, 18 short years after, led td
gamating the two separate and independent Parliaml
for themselves as to the possible existence of such ail
In 1778 the English Parliament chose the Prince
regent with extensive restrictions, while the Parham'
land chose him regent without any restrictions
Their choice of the same person was merely an accide
might have had one regent with her independent
and England another; and this, too, without violati
stitution. These facts would show the monstrosity
proposition as two independent legislatures under on
—a fact which all history confirmed--namely, that it NV
politically, and, he might add, physically impossible
dependent legislatures to co-exist under one executive
The grievances of Ireland were not peculiar to held
rapt Judges, tyrannical magistrates, and sinecuirists
peculiar to any form of government. If a local legisli
necessary to redress grievances in Ireland, why note
or in Cornwall? Nay, to come nearer se his owl
home—Leeds; he could assure the House that a la
rity of his constituents complained loudly and with grl
of the grievances imposed by its corporation; but it,
had been thrown out to him that the best remedy ;II
establishing a nice little federal independent domes
ture in the west riding of Yorkshire. (Hear.)
not Protestant Ulster and Catholic Munster have t
rate legislatures? (Hear.) Why should not the 0, a
of Derry have his Parliament as well as the Catholic . d to, „,.
d e- It as the Parliament round which the m
The hon. member for Lincoln had not made a fair a ell its'Jitphpeerary
f INoenamercial code, which
of these observations of his (Mr. Macauley's) whi ,•
quoted. He stated, at that time, that although thge ,r; e
1
atai-Cby baser t
re now breathing tliei
ate-Catholic code,l- which it protected—ol
" AroundLachpuirteflr asmpa'
spark
ozvtiorbdj.ee objects o f deli
a the Catholics to the condition of hen
tmhiehnisutrandteiernditsherunsishigonandaeelabfeeeanr mtoaitnhleyccraieusseodi btyhethpie''',,k, which itc violated—of the Penal Las
to Pwers
punished. All agreed as to the necessity of punishing treialient g
reform, such daring violations of the law ought not „tland
ought
whattteor ;beanredvtihveend
revived!
tellH uessitilieuatldthhek:
but they differed as to the time when. He would not oq.. returningheil.Hehoinhipdrolickeesstieonse,
ehiehadaehdelvl;
a government. that would delay to redress grievances, put
he in the mean time to see the law outraged—nay,
dies -,t
a furious and misguided multitude? Talk of the te greatest patriots of which Ireland could 1
wrhgehuilic;hirdkofbede:lnrt.hbNaritaancadiureides‘b,h,y the burnm
of church property in a country in which no prinperts;a'
,to to do with the real subject of debate. ]
moment was respected, and be told that to en orheediao,
er ; but had indulged
against the robber, and the murderer, and the inhecee
a treated this deep and solemn subject w
to drive au injured people into civil war! (C r5,.)4,
thing offensive to Mi. Shell, but this he
the civil war has long since begun, and, if not chectcuro
end in the ruin of the empire.
not(Cheers.) The
era tan he ought; for When we pronounce that
abused by Mr. O'Connell would complain of his ing
)oliey
or inconsistency. He may be assured that the
who braved the "no popery" ci7 in all its ry are n security of the empre.
b plr. D.
\V- HARVEY complained that Mini:
be scared by all the cry which has raised a reeal of
tt.kee . of the Union, 'tye pronounce that i
seended to inform 'the house what plans the
(Cheers.) History will do the Whigs justice: for ttitation for the redress of the grievances c
lies they renounced power and place, without obtainin_go_ re,__,,
the poor reward of a fleeting popularity. (Cheers.) 1' rim, e",
col."'"mes as powerful as words—the justic
years they retired from public life," because the
knock off the fetters from their Catholic brethren.
they Vat they intended to place Ireland out of th.
is titution, and to call Upon the House of COI)
moor, therefore, which the learned member for Dublinea however, to recognise by their silen
oar against 8,000,000 of our fellow-subjects or
vouriug to excite against Earl Grey's government, ,ref confidence►in them. Such confidence he
of much moment compared with that which Earl tx t
ne. vield to this or to any other administra
already withstood in order to place the learned.egeerisTf
where he is. (Loud cheers.) They were not
tdl t the time of the house had been taken up
s exits and demerits of Mr. O'Connell and Mt
clamour from making the learned gentleman not
British subject ; he may be assured they will
neverlast a 1,30 g
essuirv.at had the house to do with either the merit
it roceeding from.
those gentlemen, except so far as they des
to be more. (Deafening cheers, which lasted ate
As the representative of a numerous and flourishingertauweig
atrhue?various measures which they respecti
If one of those gentlemen were out
nity, sent " to advice his Majesty on a e ther out of parliament, the grievances of 1:
urgent affairs concerning' the state and defence of his
,_ rotested against being considered in layout
dom," he was prepared to vote for the address which. p bsist, and would still require a remedy at
Parliament to preserve inviolate a union on which au
the well-being of the empire. (Cheers.) e Union,-th gh he- voted for the amend
amount chat
Mr. SHELL said there was a practical antithesis, amo-nt iye his su ) because I
1 porti
a had b , advanced by government or
contradiction, in the course pursued by Mr. Macaulay. 4ieb they Le•a spoke, but concealed benefits al
he enters into a most elaborate discussion on the unioul,„l„,...onbp
ou
to the amendment,
ere afraid of their own work, and who were
commends the extinction of all argument, puts an end. _
he assumes is unpremeditated, he supports an address "" lie saw' nothing but the efforts
bate, strikes Ireland dumb, and claps a padlock on dne. ow took of it.
though it can never stop the throbbings of her big and
Lord Jortai RUSSELL said, he consider(
nant heart. What a strange proceeding on the pa hieh 'was
.made to ' the Address, and, the
member for Leeds,—to discuss the. question himself, and, t any measures, however hard, to mainta
Peeth which came from many members, as
eight millions the right to entertain it,—to recommence
pension of the Habeas Corpus Act, in order to commit a
ment in Ireland to incarceration, while he himself wantotil at the disposition to give the country the
o rra
luxuriates in so wide a field of discursive expatiatio ari was manifest from the speech; but
wished that Mr. Macaulay had exhibited the advantages. iw.i. --calls measures could not be mixed up in
vincial dependence, and of having a maority of Engiisai Was it too much to ask, that if they
hers to overwhelm a majority of the Irish" members ► ere confessedly favourable to Reform, they
a distorted view of the cis
ence in them for a very few days—that tat
House of Commons. He was , prompt to recognise the „
of Earl Grey, who had always proved himself a devote .
a p ay next, when robabl the would hear t
slevelopment of the measures intended by
to Ireland.
Mr. O'CONNELL said—" No, no." maintained the absolute necessity of :givin
rliti
Mr. SHELL continued—At all events he was so. at
the onalpewer, in order to put the law into 0
sion of the union. Charles Grey opposed the union. p,, „.
0 and quoted some passages from Mr. O'Co
dieted the evils that would result from it, and almost . - aie people of that country, to prove t
.kaost dreadful outraaes.—Was it too mud)
picture of the evils which ore
.passing before our eyes. these were of every-day occurrence, tha
Shell here quoted from a speech of Earl Grey, de live 111 ,
1799, a passage strongly-condemnatory of the pending k-eage itself to assist in restoring order to
of the union, and contrasted it with the language of the.
rn` staneed? But there were other eircumst
g Inkch a course on the attention of parliame
speech. What does that speech recommend ? An entire such
of the existence of that feeling in
pression of all reasoning on the subject. It enjoins mien ~ pa
ot; -;onnell so well knew—the feeling out
says, not only shall you not have repeal, but you shall atest tendered to so many candidates at
to demand it. The you
Corpus Act is to be suspe I test
which threw Lord Killeen out at
a
the principles of British liberty are to be trampled under..
p which he in every respect so well d
the prerogative is to be strengthened; the sceptre is to 14,, The
Repeal of the Union was the test t,
with. iron ; what was carried by corruption is to be seel it
-„ was
that subject, so much dwelt upot
opression ' nay, more, the boast of Britons, the pride :,1 bud
as held up as every thing in Irel
sustainment, the ornament and the prop of the constit
to; y its advocates- in the English Parliame
all that we hold valuable and dear, the trial by jury, is
p Jects were known to be in contemplation
an end. (Loud cheers.) Good God ! is it Lord Grey,,jus.
op tall on Parliament to give all the power it
from the triumph of reform, who recommends this .
0• vent such a dismemberment of the united
there is, there must be, some superior spirit of dominahe act of the Restoration Parliament in 1688,
the cabinet, who exercises a fatal ascendancy, and is t
.Corpus Act to prevent the separation of t
genius of Ireland. Earl Grey had declared misgovernirret question less important now when an
parent of Ireland's evils, which were made the pretext
not separate the two countries, to confiscate a
ing away from her the very semblance of liberty. Is
_ri Ireland, to overturn the Protestant gown
true? is there one Irishman in the government of 1 e
It and to substitute in its place some kind (
Is there a member of this house representing a place in 1
A -lament in which the hon. and learned
who is a member of the government? Not one. Not oi
link exists between the people and their rulers. Look
Would become the leader or chief—(loud
Secretary, who, before a committee of the house acknowc •
11 had several of "no, no")—and in which
his ignorance of Ireland. How did he defend himself .0 Would no doubt play a very conspicuous i
ha which it would be impossible to adyam
day ?g Did he answer why there were twenty-six stip!
magistrates, and all Protestant? How two chief judges .
pi
volving the two countries in a war that
destruction of one or the other, arid in
;° such a degree as, to involve the final 11
own nomination are above his influence ? and why he destruction t
the Cloninell jury ? He asserted that the crown had t kt was therefore that he called on parl
thirty-six Catholics, and empanelled three juries, with A ,
Permanence of the union.
Protestants in one, and eleven Protestants in each of the ‘
wig` alr. EWART said that he should hesita
two. (Loud cries of " Hear.") Is this consistent t
e 0 /3011 t to give, if he had'not the assuram
principles professed by Lord Brougham, when he 1) 0 n;
.resei j 3 nesters that strong remedial measures v
petition of the Irish Catholics, detailing enormities of tao• ;
'nye legislation for Ireland. When he
and when he denounced these detestable practices ? ti eel (Aathorp) state this, his confidence_ in II
wonder that Ireland is in combustion ? The speech depr.
c was-unabated. What were coercive ei
civil war, at its outset, in Portugal.. Englishmen, do n° 1
-1 the feelings and the eonfiaence of elf,
fine your sympathies to your allies. We are your counto...„ erertv to be carried into execntion ? In
our blood is precious as any which can be shed upon a t
t Paw • • ht gain a battle, but y(
ity, .er ; youme, me,
shore • save, save us in the name of justice, of human . a,,„4„ r the vanquished wt
a --varY,• the defeat 0-
of the' obligations which you once conferred upon us, by , csa a
- ----r-- r_Avart) was not on y satisfied
l of
and timely redress of our insupportable grievances, frechno AL
---sa that, all further change . should. be a
which wilt be worse than civil, and to which the hoard_deu. , imaintain
d -0 detail only. You. cannott itii
of centuries, and the rancours of religious hatred, will Ithe decide
r a Small minority agains
infernal and horrible contribution. (Cheers.) we'
' He recollected
na I.Y• (Hear hear.)
Mr. CHARLES GRANT very much admired Mr. She.' .relief • 'some shailaw'Po
alluded t° l• 'hill was passed,
lie never
(pence, • and his dexterity still more. He had allu e Would be a final measure.
Macaulay's speech at the outset of his own, but had cane measure,religious
the principle of
re, while
The ' to 'st do the old tor]
abstained from grappling with its arguments.
before the house was the Repeal of the Union with te say, that they maintained that, if you
The members opposite were anxious to deviate from it,e °0 further, So it had baOie7
d; so it viol
they were unable to cope with the arguments of the me you amended only in detail and left
Leeds. With regard to the speech delivered thirty ,
,t
,s'itt thei real source f
-o evil, unaltere.
d and u
tui,
by Lord Grey—Did any man suppose that a measure. _..1 1
other of great ,moment . n the
tu contenir snort!.lie was happy to
be ()rimed thirty years ago, when it was only
afte , refer. . infer
and might not be as justly eulogized thirty years -F(ast.india Compan)'s
charter,
that e
when experience had given proof of its beneficialtendo to our eastern commerce. He was
What was all government—what was all the constitution}
ountry—if, alter an even had been successfully acco V'