The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1833-05-14 00:00:00

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antics
,a , must say, that if Fr
, and the noble-
' feare
the instr
?4iti pi2osed
to
te dealing" parts a
eterselfa ,he so a Pend. Perhaps he wa
to a to ' waver
commercial interests of the country. as tor own atake En
theLporrdinPcipaleereleaaidsTdooew
the sake f cOn'lls-1-41:1te noble lolirdPnlicY' she had emii
derstood him, of sacrificing her honour
a.
~_ loss 0 , onee+.., nd end .+,O to embroil us with t
cial advantages we should soon find th t tnicence, Eillede,,7 OUr honour gal' with whom we h:
would follow the loss of political indepwreeuv
bad sal; 40074?ieion lai7
dond nterest.-(Hear.)
oi sees 111., oeserve thwn
should lose the very object for which land. to fu ,„,, e s by the learned S
nsabiyd'ththeathiofntohueracEntrerle:te;f rAdttsine"lainereeg:
honour. The refusal of the King of 11°Iis rejactte9o, lid had to consult at if the learned gent
gagements which he had entered into;
.0, watele s s in
1 kl" t 4 re learned thany
of the underwriter;
proposal that was made to him; his costs` not ha Y but' woili,B,RenSibilit at though the law mig
alum, hreF, yof insu
opportunity of again conquering Belo,ve was 10a) r.) `4170el that hone sauces affected 1
'this country in having recourse to coerci
her to do I°' tbel`tet for isere it otherwisenrnd commercial us;
dered it absolutely imperative upon
to war, as tri"ll"ge atlY busy , indeed, the eau
ters had advised his Majesty to go
which
infinitely Arse), stting u„ _ etneddling minister, the
justified in doing, the inconveniences Isise"._ switSB
lot
us.t.'
aart him war, should think it
suited from that procedure would have use: noor.oa7loesslit baluZed
bend to all commercial c
than those of which the honourable inemuc'
t that evil set 4 °sr intssßts be y commercial honour.
Ministers, however, had desired to aver
was
the
P(illeitt6 the bterfereneegged h". members opposit
possible. The hon. member said that it
ro
_.., he a t
tiers
weete of weisitt the affairs of the Ne
country to protect the weak against the sttedug h
upou t" prea° that, is rullY folio Ingt"'s government, an
it was so, and contended that we had acterpased to ass eirtio, the present ut! up h
t e polic of main`h
in the present transaction. We had in
the
oue sais liste aB,,sed h, +,_ d.scussion, the qu
continuance of war between the Dutch on
r.
,aO),, throws thatute en< .;-rs? hon. members whether,
Belgians on the other, and though, mime
oie, 11331pofaessr+PorseedVSY..better course could hav
were superior to the Dutch, the experience_
clear' tbe_rrestess'," Essex "1' th
had e noble Foreign Secret
the latter were the stronger nation. It ‘ra"aiost thorie lisithe it', air of r ucll this, as on other occa
this country was protecting the weak lajF'octieir „arse hu.sl; wieniCsses,le over the policy of hi
strong, by preventing the Dutch from sus] sr. Pl:belid otir,SS been Jr. „ hould recollect that a
to the yoke which they had resolved to cache!''..ll.eseut sts"
itke the isenti wo_'l,lndently promulgated in
ber said he was at a loss to conceive how 0 resent
isSooly Peace of not be able by all
his ne
of the ,me ,j 4„ hrocan e.Urope f
negotiations justified the continuance the 11°1' r l'' ' net • s °I. sta • for twelve months (
not be expected that he should explain to
.s..oatise o, , I, aud. gem, he._
the
off a terrible war w;
precise point upon which depended the ci?utstollosisteeTto p Cold thar.b n France (loud cries of
tinuance of the embargo : all he could, ' aissiel"s hterga the h' e Prohhet and doctrinair,
were h eoer 3;ti It on. .
duty, state was, that the. government
re of t e
_oui pe for In his
.member himself. ‘• 11;
this country and Holland from the pressu,,_,..b tiSesS to ei sse_at least toble friend had preserve
sures at the earliest possible moment at wrve7o soot" ttl. essitiS te pros lee twelve months, and Fl
consistently with the objects which they ssf this co I_l, ~ their' toils ve"ree• It should be recollect
plish, and consistently with the interesstsaS
e_ io sug`e'n lee,. Iltiesi„le ! a matter of very little ii
hon. member, however, was entirely ini t•ts:LS_ cowl su,,..s.t.the 81,5... was death to the national i
the pressure of the embargo was exclusiveotL_Yil to
.qc . %,4;_cion „1.'.i!,,t), therefore, in which the
country. He (Lord Palmerston) did no. ,efsa, ei 1:4 ou)leaf;
ell for :?eue of patriotism; that in
shipping interest, which was engagediu theetr_aus the 0,`14 istiek° ar).....10a ir continuance--one of pi
must necessarily suffer some incouvenienLl' iha
another,,ot , Spirit, indeed, somewhat al
of the present state of things ; but he tL
,":tiatiaustne/ 6.4_
channel of trade was closed against our ships
_0,4 ty sear
_` ear; 01. the K- a fault, and hesitates disl
to them. The hon. member was aware, tht!.tat'itea 10101 at, for u) tilt
tp. member against France
circumstances, the Baltic trade was very I,l,,,rtolisiolVP. t'sali„ le people hon. member would fail
as those circumstances were removed, au tees', seis]sesest
,ealeileelishets of both France and Engler
might naturally be anticipated this year, vra_l'hort beo"iosis:l..aes
o''e)s 4d ne.d to be influenced by uns
ployment to the shipping. The hon. laellent of ea f t4rtigierl,Piessir“e4t,tonal antipathies, which or
overstated his case. He estimated the sine gratale..es iR. p 3 aud
_s burdens, that marred and
duce and British manufactures exported to,
.vote il 1e lord
set, coUPPerity. (Cheers.)
country at about £e1,600,000, which he saia.ality, meats', 'so to t 6
had not but admire the skill '
in Dutch vessels under the cover of neuts
0, ra, a%
Were the in:Just addressed the house I
true, it was evident that the embargo had :city isa! 'f se) ~ isen auestion before it-namel
trade and our shipping also. The reeler
.iao bee]' se,
_tof hiS!'e nohtli in
,principle and efficient
hon. member for Worcester said, all on one 'd severl/3 p 4 geute',Ocin. fri., ords statement might be t
Largo, however, did.press upon Holland, et.' had beette'ls olerisiseat athet;ead (Alderman Thompson)
not the hon. member seen a petition whil Neliqise l' lat reeuesid whr the
es barn
was an effic
to his Majesty the King of the Netherlan ;I_o wee_ 0' ?Yes i, spoo ether its being discharged a
sited Amsterdam, in which the inconveine
.t.--.,0 le 000' tirootet was 11,0 d seriously injure those w
suffered from the continuance of the eulelioti°fltbiSe 'crewel after rutlY untouched by it. (He;
set forth ? Without meaning to say. thatcher op.
to is eedeti
4_4, the s e.peating the animadversions
member was founded upon any motives loos
conic rary say,
tVlicitor-General's "legitimac
he had himself avowed, he must state, for
thatlle the Kole ably °be wise admitting the policy of the
that hopes were entertained in Holland oof To,' :1145414113414k to expedient in principle,
country would be relieved from the pressusrealle,?,.a/ It
_ego a. toward, O Unnecessarily oppress B
which they began to find to be far from '
agr
li in 9 to
,s,'llsii:Seenuoi,,its attainment. He objec
petitions and motions to be brought forWa,refotieooo9 IlsktiVtlefsetei'lttitional, he would also]g
(Hear.) Until, therefore, he was bettevie
10°I.s. 001 itirely,V teost `, in practice. He of
trary cont he had been th the speech a' 0s este
is
i ) 0 0 t4ot the oangerous and unconstituti
would inue to believe at the measure' ~4 iriS'tile he abase trie Crawn might at its
epee. , ed, , oe es, , iss s mere
so inoperative urn Holland as some p
aces „as, il,
,wa,,, ot thi "mmerce. (Hear, hear,
supposed. Until the measures were accaf drool !'a. be ~ Ltestiarg'sil thuts most dangerous exercise
plishment of which the government cow'. „soa's es sew/inform the noble lord had consen
he could hold out no hopes that the eraharg°reatie,viteih. 'lgor 44 Out ation, for without that parlia
The hon. member had criticised the interirrected is,atet'
refit and
twell interfere. He could i
been put upon the order in council which ``,s not altsli Flan
at Lithe 8 against the embargo than
of ships having perishable cargoes. I-1
_se all 0fe1,1411.L
,113,,,,_ ()),(1,4 _ 'egos-General-namely, tl
complaints existed upon that point, but at To sp,v„„r, i,e-nee, os`rere not responsible for the e
resposilele for the execution of the order: ...0s -sculice:i ./ites t'lhadoee! thed embargo. Could any ar
that it was necessary
informto exercise some cie.lraa al, isc its 'orei at eruhataore demonstrative of the in
point, he would just the house tuasionserrisa,t trill eetat Seerergo ?--(Hear, hear.) But
been made for the discharge of the ship ouecil bacisi, srssir PellinovirY, the same principle wit
iron, under the provisions of the order in c atiber.usei . res of °els e Holland to accept our awe]
1, fit
rishable cargoes. (A laugh.) The hon. skitish ',1,0e1.",, ;4N io.reiti,"„visstiori justify us in attainin
Dutch ships were principally insured by ;,,, sate :,slog ~,,,v of waii!(l hostility. (Hear.) He d
he had it not in his power to contradict
josorvg ,see qurthe otill"S knew of no vacillating
believed he was correct in stating,ahat a
id'sotarea 01. t
.tlsattpease u„!,r, state;
_it treated of, and et
British subjects against the detention ant' 04 0000.11' t°qhas'rebar" war. He, therefore, dent
nsiscts , fro /Ile sh 4 0 go
ships of his Majesty was an illegal `ran , „r, bs
„4, off e d of ere , unless in a state of declare
the principle of the constitution. (" L'-',;tioe;„o.Set, setar" sealea ,J 1 attempted any injury aga:
tion.) Hon. members cheered that obser%
sone,
toe et.iss `giilso":l right of such coercive me;
hesitate to assert that if his Majesty, acting. utile cis d
s.Net7tettle Reties,' negotiation. He did not i
his responsible advisers, subject of course ks°lo of ialt. )'!asd
kineeds; tal polic-
y of our interferenc
liament, thought it necessary for the hug:" Disarray': :r the haeonsi," confined himself to the ii
have recourse to hostile operations agains_!•aa,a tO, ill ,
eeS hi._:s to
_tittional character of the emb
illegal for any British subject to interpus% sehie'ollf , °lnn: arraeinlaer who opened the debate,
over the subjects of that state. The forin_„se loolet h'ke ° the eZtted the noble lord's foreig
had come under the consideration of the n.),"tiou, 'eat ' i stlt'irtad that,"argo as seriously detrimen
an opportunity of offering further explau,, oto teNta only too, while it had not the i
cumstance occur to render it desirable ;4" . '
jog': „,It lit iikfit (IS, e?ald justify its adoption.
necessary for him to say more. so shill ea' ,7ebou eto hear connected with this em
Mr. LYALL said that it was impossible.til_ cool
.0,
.vieuholles to
e.‘ ar.a satisfactory answer-nas
thrown out of employment by the embalgVoober losed' i'skin ',Nth the it to an indefinite per
went in any other direction. The hon. snitionioa,l4 t.'e, and
t, 'e French government. (He
ed, in a low tone of voice, to refer to a P.'f Loavoa ," r:'fiu.'t kisehlad that an embargo so unco
understood) had been drawn up in the city (.'sbie, sto islre 01,whieh itT.vous in practice, and so ine
was signed by the most wealthy, respeer.seect,„ve tt't ha, 4 c 0,4 `‘ as designed, should be con
merchants, against the embargo. With rVL:et 11. jai 'it hes.oiert that ention with France. (Hea
the doctrine of the noble lord be 1
oero eostork
tin ,a;11_ guittat such was not the case, that
state of war • but he understood that we 'µ
ionic sorit"' e C.? onto so great an absurdity-to t
-(Hear.) 'ln spite of the saeers of the +;lathY'tiatif h:, he 1;4: this
tango such a dishonourable cc
not help feelin.g a sort of compassionate sYrelfsideroo e 0 (I deou:sehievously inoperative em
ally. It was impossible to allow mere eOecollee.",sere and hotneende,e'l that it would defeat in t,
inereial interest altogether to efface the r ass 0 ioll ; iiePed th,, led by it. He maintained th
mer connexion with that country--of how ping of roecf ',11%/ne thsi, si_refore it would terminate wit]
to the collateral ancestors of the present lci- to iiieete 1! esestit of wo7ted, and would repeat, that a
determination of that monarch appease gibe kibot 0rt1,,, .4 a i)eart which could not, from it
difficulties of his situation. The conduct, °,l,essorootst' /Zrefel? Poreesee-preserving negotiation. '
forcibly reminded him of that of his prate': sof id 0 , 14k ttNee to pad been rather critical upc
ago, who, when he was pressed by. the farcetos be.asoci, ',3 fit as ' ranee of the hon. member I
land, and by this country by sea, ]Englishtvsrist4 ao,Of se Jest hta- charaeteristic-;
nearly inundated, replied to the
g :iii as,,siti't 1.14 R, asiire.
ate a fault and hesitates dislil
him that his country would be ruined, 'I • the' sth° tiSonlla reser(Hear.) lie would answer
of seeing my country ruined by perishingit.lit sitog
fl, ‘117!.1101,e11Ce to the policy of the ni
admitted, however, that the cases were 1v _ Fos "t, nhee tto4nd, that other line of the cot
fess' 1 sei °
-(hear, hear.) sr, a , e, 1 r , Wound, and yet afraid to sty
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL begged to sa•S iter'el 'the hole
"r sale rate h ; etter e • (" Hear," a
question of the liability of English eraun ss sr kin 1 oet , (Ave policy was au illustr,
what the hon. member who spoke last bsest
~, of t';i 4, 44 t'i'l(llher
et„heeir embargo was a telein ini
sympathy which he felt for Holland, he s.tatt ;oleo (epathe. Part oti, et than rousing a spirit of i
serve, that when Holland attracted the srerrostiihe bell 5e0r.,154
of i the Dutch, and enlisting o
in former times, her conduct was very differ` at ,;11 s'2e--s) And thus
commercial populatior
she was at present pursuing. She was t;_tat oorsas3se sokss-e....e5...." us-and it ever Should Le-
clerc', exerting herself against tyranny, vs logitala t? (0 0',,, 4,18 th..
.P,ven-handed Justice
herselfundergovernmentswhichsupporteSSoect soot to Ail', own fi'e s!l,gredients of our poison'd
from the opposition.) He spoke of leg"lssic 04-15 *Oh, Hoe, Ps. -i.
,_, (Cheers.)
which it was used by the Holy Alliance, rid.-11 01. I,lsli :41:)rereina'a lie rose in consequence
down liberal institutions all over the wesionaa, ,:oli isi.lat b iluelie esnt by the honourable barn
from the same quarter.) The King of:devot:7oce, y `'4 oq katteer't the conduct of the King c
himself to bring those whom he called hi...cosi.,tr,),le it :ticua,. Neth of opinion. All he could
under his dominion, and under those c„il ~s, hi'by I'L, li;,1! eollqedgin "lands had never given his c
merit the sympathy of Englishmen.--( l''''tteieve oPtes tyre lea esieng the separation of Belgium
Mr. BARING said that the sentiment' "Lath 1i.040 c earthe ieswith such conditions as w
learned gentleman were quite novel, ai d
.v of c;.' oleo, yore lit t! It was of Belgium to 1
specially reserved for the reformed Hou,esor ot, it,
of tl_iri
,0') Inats.:. for the house, then, to cox
singularly incongruous to hear a law oltt''''to se,tutseld 'flesss's the present the existing embarks°, w
nounce an attachment to legitimacy', alluateth'r.)le 'tpili-p' of 4 'eernseint state of thiny,s. No ml
cure for persecution, for so he must desigti-Ol't'to all ' 441 k I?; but s uargo must be injurious to
the King of Holland had experienced. Jose
_roe
0) Id 41,.orcibi,. 0 roust every act he which s
venture to offer advice to one who sold av lid le° 40 , 11148, 4ioeat ', .character the ur o- f
ion.a 0, s„,, e s tether ODject The ppse o
(a laugh)-he would recommend the I sel ,eas .0 Is seat, er it rt, - question fbr the
to confine himself in future to questions ?ta 100,,et'est , Dept
poie mild be desirable, taking i
such extraordinary opinions on pcnicy a'sreise'asistef b ergo; or Y
.3f the country, to put a
trines would not have been uttered in that' it 00,sre it rOprder persev '':, nether it would not be pre
constitutional priuciples were quite as nthso'as )111;e, ],:t (ti to seeuerre in the course they had 1
present moment, without being visited" is 004 it '4411e ear, a e and maintain the gee
The noble lord said that if anybody 10°„/Itie re!, ))4t ( regarded .r) He admitted the emb
s_it as
they would see how beautifully-he had el'i'lit he.otlid, .4e spo,t-tear, he. a much less evil than
tions. The subject was a very dry one' ,itiJ )0 004 t; 4f:llce 01,14 inteli-r.) The question then,
as long as he could keep his eyes opensiat di
.e il., it, k
Ithe
_il such
ui.ore to remove the ember
moment as much at a loss to lenow '
o pal ca,ro), )
istoleestionsloteo rference must be to tires
driving at as he was before he began to of then' d ie te weas would ler dispute, and, indeed.
as he could understand the present stae p 0 iheve sotbe e tad put . ead to war on the contir
-the King of Holland said that the huvi it too the rot,! ,a, forth nt 0. it to the hous h
he ,„, u‘4 ~ r a Ira_ , .ewet er i
a
menced the mediation, would not :.
v,itistritipof it ,dts in ri' government' °reeking out betweei
only two of the five, the others havinss 4 to,,,se, le etteer.) eve_the to effect that whic
section because force had been aplu'" he 'o'l'l lc,'.isge en He the . preservation of the peac
members aware of the mighty object feat. tone !°OO 0; ilq ev_errensvults„ moat ready to allow th
fish commerce was thus paralyzed,-ctivL,ool&acqbe. a
Reel er, ritry., b.'? take every step to re
dispute was, whether Holland shoal
°f
soelot
so' eR re yeti to the-st he contended that th
according to the usage of centuries, 0.1 'all 'lto o,,e` ai'd to the •adoption of coercive m
guilder?-(Hear.) He feared that 11 of tsttor-00honour of the country,
was, after all, but a puppet in the hau"; tieel!stisl,e,
diplomacy, who so skilfully representeuoitt, bete et
Now, he was as ardent an advocate for Loeser, ,s
lations with France as any man in th_vooonvosl '
compromise the honour nor oppress jneescie P
for that desirable object.-(" Hear, "