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HOUSE OF LORDS, TUESDAY, JULY 23.

On the motion of Lord Suffield, the Dwelling-house Robbery
Bill went through a committee. The bill, as amended, was
ordered to be printed, and the report to be brought up on Mon-
day next.
On the motion of the Lord Chancellor, the Bankruptcy Court
Bill was read a second time.
Mr. S. Rice, Admiral Adam, and others, from the Commons,
brought up the Jews' Civil Disabilities Bill, and the Shall
Debts' Court (Scotland) Bill.—Read a first time.

THE BISHOPS.
The Earl of RADNOR rose to present a petition from the Po-
litical Union of Glasgow, praying that, in consequence of the
course which the bishops had taken recently ou the decision of
some most important questions in that house, their lordships
would repeal the act of Charles IL, by which they had been
restored to their seats in Parliament.
The Earl of HADDINGTON doubted very much whether they
could receive any such petition. It applied personally to certain
members of that house; and its prayer was, in effect, that those
parties should no longer he allowed to sit in Parliament. And
for what ?—because they had performed their duty. Surely
such a petition ought not to be received.
The Loan CHANCELLOR said there might be good grounds
for refusing the prayer of the petition ; but, if a petition were
couched in respectful language, if it were decorous to that
house, their lordships had no right to reject it, unless some spe-
cific grounds of objection were fairly stated for taking such a
course. It was nut a good ground for rejecting it at once,
because it reflected on the conduct which individuals had pur-
sued in that house, in their public capacity. That, however, to
which he objected in this petition was, that the petitioners had
taken notice u that of which they could have known nothing
without a breach of the privileges of that house. They could
not know, strictly speaking, in what manner individuals had
given their opinions, or how they had given their votes. lf,
however, the conduct of a member of the legislature, in pre-
senting a bill, for instance, which did come regularly before the
public, were animadverted on, however severely, in a petition,
still, if it were couched in language decorous to the house, the
subject of the petition itself did not oppose a good objection to
receiving it. (Hear.) Whatever appeared on their votes ad-
mitted of public animadversion and petition. He certainly, for
his own part, never wished to see the day when a respectful
petition with reference to matters occurring in either house of
Parliament, to which the public had regular access, should be
rejected on account of its prayer, however proper it might be to
refuse that prayer.
The Earl of ABERDEEN agreed as to what the noble and
learned lord had said with respect to the informality of alluding
to the votes given by members in that house; but he denied the
noble and learned lord's proposition, that any petition not
involving that consideration might be received )iy the house,
provided that it was respectfully worded. The noble and
learned lord said it would be sufficient not to comply with the
prayer of any objectionable petition. He differed from that
opinion. At present the petitioners confined themselves to
calling for an exclusion of spiritual Peers from that house; but
they might require the abolition of the house itself, or they
might demand that the crown should be taken from the King's
head. Now, he asked, could their lordship's receive such pe-
titions as those, however respectfully worded? (Hear, hear.)
He contended, that the mere refusal of the prayer of the_peti-
tion was not sufficient, it ought to be rejected altogether. (Hear,
hear.)
The Earl of HADDINGTON said he could not agree with the
dictum of the noble and learned lord, that every petition which
was worded with decency should be received. The one now
before the house Said it was improper and unfit that the bishops
should sit and vote in that house; the next step would be to
abolish the house altogether. He must state to the house the
words of that petition. It set forth, " that the systematic oppo-
sition of the -lords spiritual, on several recent occasions of
great importance, in that house, was contrary to the spirit of
that religion which they professed to teach : and the petitioners
therefore pray your lordships to repeal the act of Parliament of
Charles 11., by which the lords spiritual were restored to their
seats in your lordships' house." Such a petition, he maintained,
could not be received.
Petition withdrawn.
On the motion of the Bishop of London, the bill for legal-
izing all marriages contracted at Hamburgh before the English
chaplain, or any clergyman in his stead, was read a second
time.

CHUP.CH TEMPORALITIES (IRELAND) BILL.
The order of the day for resuming the proceedings in com-
mittee on the above bill having been read,
The clauses, from the 20th to the 31st, inclusive, were agreed
to with a very few strictly verbal amendments.
On the 32d clause, for reducing ten bishoprics, by uniting
them to other bishoprics or archbishoprics, as specified in sche-
dule B, having been read,
The Duke of WELLINGTON rose to call their lordships' at-
tention to this clause, to which he meant to move an amend-
ment. When the bill was under discussion, be had stated his
opinion with respect to this clause, and the alteration which he
wished made in it; but his suggestion was not approved of by
the noble earl. Without, however, altering the principle of the
bill at all, or altering any of its essential provisions, he thought
it was possible so to arrange that part of the bill as to remove
Ore objections which were now urged against it. lie proposed
that his Majesty should be empowered by law, upon the lapse
of any one of the bishoprics pointed out, to grant it, in commen-
dam, as he should think fit. He therefore would propose as an
amendment to leave out all the words in the original clause
after the word "that," and to insert others in subztitution of
them. The original clause began thus,—" And whereas his
Majesty has been graciously pleased to signify that he has
placed at the disposal of Parliament his interest in the tem-
poralities and custody thereof of the several bishoprics and
archbishoprics mentioned in this act, and the schedule B
thereto annexed • be it therefore enacted, that"
Here he
.proposed to insert the following words, instead of those
in the original clause :—" Whereas his Majesty has been gra-
ciously pleased to signify that he has placed at. the disposal of
Parliament his interest in the temporalities and custody thereof
of the several bishoprics and archbishoprics mentioned in this
act, and in the schedule B thereunto annexed. Be it therefore
enacted, that in case his Majesty, his heirs, or successors, shall
be minded to grant in commendanz the bishopric of Waterford,
now vacant, and the Other bishoprics named in the first column
of the said schedule, when, and as they may respectively become
void, to be held in commendant with the bishopric or archbishopric
mentioned in conjunction therewith respectively in the second
column of the said schedule, it shall be made lawful for his Ma-
jesty, his heirs, and successors, at the same time to grant to the
• ecclesiastical commissioners, and their successors fiir'ever, the
temporalities of the bishopric so to be held iii commendam ; and
from and after such grant all and singular the lands, tenements,
and hereditament; belonging or appertaining to such bishopric,
together with all and singular the tithes, rents, and emouinents
whatsoever thereunto belonging or appertaining, shall become
vested in and transferred to the said ecclesiastical commissioners
and their successors for ever, subject to all leases, rents, charges,
and incumbrances now, or at the time of such transfer, legally
affecting the same, save the annual tax, rate, or assessment by
this act to be imposed and levied; to be by them received and
applied to, for, and upon the several uses, trusts, and purposes
in this act mentioned; and under the like rules and regulations
as are herein expressed and declared
,f and concerning the said
annual tax vested in said commissioners and their successors for
ever. Provided always, that such grants or any of them shall
not be liable to stamp duties, or fees of office, or any other
charge whatsover."
The house divided on this amendment, when the numbers
were :
For the original clause 9O
For the amendment 76
Majority —l4
The clause was then agreed to.
Clauses 33 to 37 were also agreed to, with some verbal amend-
ments. _ .„

Clauses 38, 39, and 40 were also agreed to.
Clauses 41 and 42 were postponed.
Clauses 43, 44, 45, 46, and 47 were agreed to.
The house then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, TUESDAY, JULY 23•

The gallery was opened at a quarter past twelve.
On the motion of Mr. S. LEFEVRE, the house resolved itself
into committee for the further consideration of the report on the
Highway Bill.
The First to the Eleventh clauses were agreed to with some
verbal amendments.
At Three o'clock the house resumed, the Chairman reported'
progress, and obtained leave to sit again on Thursday next.
The Speaker then quitted the chair.
The Speaker resumed the chair at five o'clock.
THELLUSSON'S ESTATE BILL.
A message from the lords brought down this bill.
SEPTENNIAL ACT.
Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a petition from the Livery of
London against the Septennial Act.
Mr. GiLLoN presented a similar petition from West Stirling-
shire. CRIMINAL LAW.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL, in reply to a question from an hon.
member, stated that a commission for inquiring into the state of
the criminal law had passed the great seal.
COMMERCIAL RELATIONS WITH FRANCE.
Sir H. PARNELL, seeing his right hon. friend in his place,
wished to know from him'if the report of the commission for in-
quiring into the state of our commercial relations with France
was ready, and, if so, whether it was intended to lay it before
the house?
Mr. P. THOMSON said that the commissioners had reported
their proceedings in a first report, but that since that they had
acquired possession of a quantity of evidence and of documents
which they considered so valuable, that they proposed to publish
them in an appendix; and he stated that as soon as this was
ready the report, together with the appendix, would be laid
before the house. He farther explained that the delay in pro-
ducing the report had been occasioned by the great change of
' opinion which had recently taken place iu France with respect
to the commercial relations with this country—a change which
would prove to be highly beneficial to our manufacturing inte-
rests. As au earnest of this, he might mention that France had,
within the last week or two, agreed to suffer the export of thrown
silk from this country, at a duty considerably lower than that
originally demanded, and which it was complained in the evi-
dence before the silk committee here amounted to a prohibition.
The first concession upon the part of France he considered a
matter of the greatest importance.