The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1844-10-22 00:00:00

THE LIVERPOOL. STANDARD.

stance no Provisional Committee was announced) brought
before the public the project of a Line from Shrewsbury
to join the Grand Junction Line at Wolverhampton, in-
stead of Stafford, (and subsequently proposed to be ex-
tended to Birmingham) communications after vards took
place on the subject of the different Shrewsbury Railways,
the result of which was, that the Grand Junction Direc-
tors agreed, as a concession to the London arid Birming-
ham Company and to the new Shropshire party, to adopt
Wolverhampton, instead of Stafford, as the terminus ;
here again affording,C surely, proof enough of anything
but a desire on their part to dictate.. After these preli-
minary remarks, the Directors approach the two points
now in dispute, namely, first, who, under the agreement
of the 3rd of July last between the London and Birming-
ham and Grand Junction Companies, were to be the
`` makers" of the Shrewsbury and Wolverhampton Line ;
and secondly, whether Mr. Gore's party have or have
not adopted that agreement. The following statement
will, it is hoped, make it clear that there is no ground
whatever for complaint against the Directors of the Grand
Junction Railway on either point.
First, as to the agreement itself; it, in express words,
states, that the Grand Junct;on Company shall make the
Line; and when it'is considered that they were to provide
half the capital, and also to guarantee interest upon the
total amount, whatever that should be, it surely was most
reasonable that they should be the makers of it. In Mr.
Gore's statement, however, it is said, that " it is obvious
to any impartial observer, that the word `make' is clearly
modified and restraiucil from the meaning sought to be
put uron it by the stipulation us to the leasing of the
Line!' In refutation of this attempt to explain away the
meaning of the word, the Directors beg to observe, that
the two London and Birmingham Directors,_ who made
the agreement, wished, at the time, that Mr. Gore's party
should be the makers of the Line, and they proposed (to
the Grand Junction Directors) that the agreement should
stand in that form ; the latter, however, after discussion
of the matter with the London and Birmingham Direc-
tors, expressly refused to consent to the proposition, and
the agreement was altered into its present form, and
signed accordingly on behalf of both Companies. More
need not be said in proof that all the parties to the agree-
ment, at the time they entered into it, intended precisely
the same thing, and attached precisely the same meaning
to the word " make" ; arid to spew that the London and
Birmingham Directors held the same opinion at a later
date, the Solicitor of that Company wrote to Mr. Roy.
the Solicitor of the Shrewsbury party, on the 23rd of
August, a letter, from which the following is an extract:
" My understanding of the arrangement between your
Company and the London and Birmingham, is as you
have expressed it, namely, that the Grand Junction were
to take no the agreement at the point where they had left
it. I must say, also, that I contemplated that your Com-
pany were to be Lessors of the line, so as to cause its
being made, and to that extent the moving party ; but I
have invariably expressed my opinion, that virtually the
making of the Line must be by the company guarantee-
ing the interest; the mode of carrying this out had
never been discussed between us, and was, itt fact, the
point at which we had just arrived, when the arrangement
with the Grand JunCtion was made."
To this the Directors will only further add, that their
Solicitor had previously (namely on the 24th of July)
been informed by the Solicitor of the London and Bir-
mingham Company, that Mr. Glyn was inclined to think,
not that the Shrewsbury parties should make the Line,
but that they " should he kept on until the Act of Par-
liament were obtained." thus distinctly excluding the idea
that they were to be the makers of the Line, a duty which
of course does not arise until after the period up to
which, only, their services might (in his view) be retained.
Having thus, they hope, conclusively established their
first point,—that they were to be the makers of the Line,
—the Directors proceed to the other question, whether
the Shrewsbury party have or have not concurred in 'that
agreement; and it is admitted to be a very material ques-
tion in the present position of affairs. In Mr. Gore's
published statement it is alleged—
" That the only concurrence ever given by thesis was
that contained in the letter of their Chairman of the 12th
of July, inclosing the terms which recognised this Com-
pany as the makers of the Line; that this Committee
have never, in the slightest degree, departed front that

position ; they never have assented to the Grand Junction
being the makers."
The contrary has been quite as distinctly declared, on
behalf of the London and Birmingham Directors, to the
Grand Junction Directors; the former have reported to
the latter, that the agreement of the 3rd July was read
over to Mr. Gore and his friends, on the-10th July, and
that he then " pointed out the discrepancy between the
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terms of the new arrangement and the previously existing
agreement for making the Line, by which the Shrewsbury
party were to be the makers of it, under the supervision
of 'joint Committee; whereas by the new arrangement,
the making of it is transferred to the G, and Junction
Company." The Grand Junction Directors were in-
formed by Mr. Glyn, on the same day, that there was
some little difficulty made by Mr. Gore and his friends
upon some parts of the agreement, and that therefore
their official concurrence in it might be a little delayed ;
but on the 15th of July, the London and Birmingham
Company sent the fallowing letter to the Grand Junction,
without at all noticing Mr. Gore's to Mr. Glyn of the
12th, or in any other way indicating that there remained
the slightest objection to the " new arrangement" :
" London and Birmingham Railway Offices,
Euston Station, 15th July, 1844.
" MY DEAR Strt,—The day following my return from
Birmingham, I made known to the Chairman of the Pro-

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visional Committee of the Shrewsbury and Birmingham
Company the terms of our arrangement, so far as they

were interested in it. This notice, which I accompanied
with an assurance that the. Grand Junction Company

fully intended to afford all the accommodation and faci-
lities which the Shrewsbury traffio might require, was
received in good part, and it now only remains for .11r.
Parker, Mr. Rog, and Mr. Swift to mei_t as soon as they
can, on behalf of the three parties concerned, to give
legal effect to our measures.
" I am, dear Sir, p:mirs- faithfully,
(Signed) , " GEO. CA lilt GLYN.
" To John Moss, Esq."
If the Grand Junction Directors could, after this letter,
have had the slightest doubt of the fact of the concurrence

of Mr. Gore's party in those measures, all such doubt.
wou'd have been removed by a letter from the Loudon
and Birmingham Chairman, dated as late as the 12th of
September last, wherein he expressly repeats that that
concurrence had been given. The misunderstanding,
then, if any. exists, as to the nrrking cf the Line, has
been between the Shropshire parties and the London and
Birmingham Directors : the Grand Junction have neither

caused nor contributed to it in any way whatever.
In Mr. Gore's statement, again, reference is made to
his letter of the 12th July, as showing that some terms
had been then actually arranged between him and the
London and Birmingham Company, including amongst
them a provision that his party should be the makers of
the Line ; and in the same letter again he refers to his
meeting with the London and Birmingham Company of
the Wednesday previous (the 10th of July), as if such a
provision had been recognized at that Meeting ; whereas
the London cad Birmingham Directors' Report of what
passel at that Meeting distinctly states on the contrary,
and Mr. Parker, their Solicitor, also writes, that the
terms, so far from having been agreed upon, had never
been even discussed ; and, moreover, (as will be seen by
Mr. Creed's letter, which follows.) be exprei,sly stated
to Mr. Roy, when he delivered Mr. Gore's letter of the
12th of July, that that letter was not consistent with the
pledge of the Grand Junction Company, contained in the
agreement read to the Shrewsbury Deputation.

_ .
-The Grand Junction Directors most sincerely regret
the misunderstanding which appears to have taken place

between the London-and Birmingham Directors and Mr.
Gore and his friends; probably it may be traced to the
fact ;published by Mr. Gore) that he has not communi-
cated with the Grand Junction direct: if he had done so,
and if parties had met in an amicable spirit, all differences
might have been avoided ; such a meeting war, in fact,
arranged, and a day was fixed, but before that day arrived
Mr. Gore thought proper to address to the- Grand Junc-
tion Direct,,rs, through the London and Birmingham, a
letter, iu uhich he declined any meeting unless the Grand
Junction would, as a preliminary, concede the point in
dispute. In reply to this letter, the Grand Junction Di-
rectors transmitted to the London and Birmingham the
following Resolutions, and here the matter has since
rested :

" Grand Jtfnction .Raihotly Office, Liverpool,
18th September, 1844.
" The Board having cor,sidered a letter from the Se-
cretary of the London and Birmingham Railway, dated
16th instant, communicating or.e from Mr. Ormsby Gore
to Mr. Glyn, on the subject of the proposed Shrewsbury
and Wolverhampton Railway;
" Resolved,—

" That this Board cannot but feel the greatest regret
and surprise, that the London and Birmingham Board
should have allowed themselves to be made the medium
of such a,communication as that from Mr. Gore (even
overlooking the offensive and unmerited tone and style of
it), since the purport of it is to call upon this Board to
waive a most important point of their agreement with the
London and Birmingham of the 3rd July last, and which
point was fully discussed and considered before being
consented to by Mr. Glyn and Mr. Smith, and which
was ultimately embodied in the 3rd clause of that agree-
ment in the following words. viz.:—
`' ' That the London and Birmingham is prepared, with
the concurrence of their Shropshire party (which they will
up•e their best endeavours to obtain), to withdraw from
the guarantee towards the Shrewsbury and Birmingham
Line; the Grand Junction, with the concurrence of their
Stafford Shareholders, undertaking to make a Line to
Wolverhampton, and guarantee four per cent. on the'
capital, and an equal division of future profits ; the
Shrewsbury and Birmingham Shareholders (under the
same condition as the Stafford and Shrewsbury) having
an option of half the capital; the Grand Junction Com-
pany having a lease in perpetuity, and working the Line
in a manner convenient to that part of the country.'
•• That Mr. Gore's demand. now, thst the Gentlemen,
whOm be designates as the Board, of which he is the
Chairman, shall be ' the makers and lessors of the Line,'
is obviously riot only inconsistent with this agreement,
(which, in so many words, provides that the Grand Junc-
tion Company shall be the 'makers' of the Line,) and
with the rights of the latter, as the guarantors of interest
on the evital to be expended on it, but is also wholly
irreconcilable with the London and Birmingham Board's
reports to this Board, that the Shropshire party bad ex-
pressed their concurrence in the agreement, after having
I id ' made known to them the terms of it, so far as they
were interested in it.'

" That this Board- must, most distinctly, decline to
make the ' declaration' required in Mr. Gore's letter.
"That the London and Birmingham Board cannot but
be aware, that this Board have all along been, and still
are, willing and anxious to carry out the arrangement so
made, both in letter and spirit ; and that as. in pursuance
of it, this Board have abandoned their ,Sofford
.and
Shrewsbury L;ne, and have offered to Mr. Gore's party,
through Mr. Boy, halt the capital in their Wolverhampton

and Shrewsbury Line, (thus performing, in every respect,
their part of the agreement.) they feel that they may
properly and justly appeal to the London and Birmingham
Board al,o to abide by it; moreover, to urge/or the con-
tinued adherence of the Shropshire party; since, as it
appears to this Board, those Gentlemen have, by their
concurrence in the agreement as made, fully recognised
the whole arrangement.

That if any:'difference shall ultimately arise upon the
agreement, this Board will be prepared to refer that dif-
ference to the Board of Trade, to Sir Robert Peel, to
Lord Granville Somerset, or to any other equally high
and independent authority.
" That a copy of these Resolutions be forthwith trans-
mitted to the London and Birmingham Board, and ano-
ther copy (with a copy of Mr. Gore's letter, of Mr. Jen-
kins', and Mr. Creeds') to the Hon. Mr. Clive."
The Grand Junction Directors conceive they have only
to publish the following letter, addressed to them by the
Secretary of the London and Birmingham Railway Com-
pany, at the request of his chairman, in order to shew that
down to the present moment there has been no change of
purpose or plan, and (what is much more material) no
failure of engagement whatever on the part of the Grand
Junction Directors

"Office, Euston-station, 2tith September. 1844.
" MY DEAR SIR,—On tile return of Mr. Glyn from
the conference of the 3rd July, at Birmingham, a commu-
nication was made to Mr. Gore and Mr. Clive, of the ar-
rangement which had been entered into with the Grand
Junction Company. A deputation from their Provisional
Committee thereupon attended our board, an,l the article
of our agreement'which affected thent was read.
" On the 12th July following, a letter was addressed to
Mr. Glyn, to which Mr. Gore's name was affixed as chtfr-
man, and handed to me by Mr. Roy's nephew. On a pe-
rusal of the contents, I found the following words :
Anxious, however, to form no abstacle in the carrying
out of the amicable arrangements between such large in-
terests, and relying.upon the honour and integrity of the
two companies [Grand Junction and London and Bir-
mingham] as pledged to carry out the contract already
agreed upon, by our respective solicitors and subscribers
—between the Shrewsbury Committee and your company,
I am directed to express their perfect acquiescence in the
agreement, whereby their line, as altered from Shrews-
bury to Wolverhampton—instead of to Birmingham, shall
be leased to the Grand Junction Company, upon the iden-
tical terms already arranged in our negociations with
you ;' and directly stated to Mr. Roy's nephew, who
brought the letter, that it must be altered ; as not being
consistent with the pledge of the Grand Junction Cons.
patty, contained in the ogreetnent read to the Shrewsbury
deputation. 1 returned the letter for this purpose, but it
was sent to me the following day unaltered, with a request
that it might be sent as it %slot to Mr. Ghn. The latter
did not attach the same value that 1 did to the objection-
able words, _because, in point of fact, nothing had been
dtfinitively agreed upon with the Shrewsbury Company
and ourselves, except that we were to lease the line at a
given rent.

" When, however. the Shrewsbury party had given in
their ultimatum, and that Mr. Roy. with his nephew, at-
tended our last board, 1 felt that it was equally due to the
Grand Junction Board and our own, that I should recall
to Mr. Roy's nephew, in the presence of the directors,
what had passed between us on the subject of the letter of
the 12th July. He frankly admitted that I had protested
against Mr. Gore's assumption of a concession on the part
of the Grand Junction Company ; for which, in my view
of the terms of agreement, between the Grand Junction
and London and Birmingham deputations, there was ❑o
warrant. You may have taken a sound view, or you may
not, of the wisest course to be adopted with the Shrews.
bury party ; but they cannot say that you have failed in
your engagements, either to them or to ; nor were we
called upon to do more than offer our mediation on points
in which you differed. 1 think it right that you should
know what has passed on this occasion, and at the request
of our chairman, I put you in possession of the facts as
they occurred. " Yours, faithfully.
"R. CREED.

(Signed)'

To Captain knish."

After this letter the Grand Junction Directors feel that
it is unnecessary to add another word in explanation of
' their conduct; but as the followbg letter from Mr. Glyn
to Mr. Gore has been published, as Chewing that the fi.r-
mer had written something to Mr. Moss inconsistent with
an admission on the part of the London and Birmingham
that the Grand Junction were to "make" the Shrewsbury
line, it is thought right to publish also the subsequent
correspondence on the subject of that litter.
[COPY OF TUE LETTER PUBLISHED IN MR. GORE'S
STATEMENT.]
" Lom bnrd- street, 26th August, 1844.
" MY DEAR SIR,-Mr. Roy has handed me your note
of the 1601 instant. I am surprised to find there can be
any difficulty upon the particular point to which you al-
lude. We never raised any doubt upon that condition—
indeed the very fact and stipulation of granting a lease to
the incoming company, presupposes and settles the ques-
tion. I have written to Mr. Moss upon the subject, and
stated my opinion to him.
"Believe me, my dear Sir,
" Yours truly, •
(Signed) " GEO. CARR GLYN.
" To W. Ormsby Gore, Eaq , M.P."

[SUBSEQUENT CORRESPONDENCE AS TO IT ] •
" Newton House, near Whitby, October 5111, 1814.
"MY DEAR SIR,-1 observe in the Morning Chronicle
of the 3rd instant a copy of a letter from you to Mr. 0.
Gore, dated 26th August, wherein you say you had ' writ-
ten to Mr. Moss' upon the subject of `some particular
point' in Mr. Gore's letter of 16th August, &c., &v. May
I beg the favour of the date of that letter. and a copy of
it if you haie one. Address to me in Liverpool, where I
return on Monday.
"I am, my dear Sir,
" Very faithfully yours.
"JOHN MOSS.

(Signed)
" To Geo. Carr Glyn, Esq."

" London, 7th October, 1844.
" MY DEAR SIR,--In reply to your note from Newton
House, I am inclined to think there is some inaccuracy as
to dates in the letter quoted to which you allude, but can
state that the particular and only point to which I refer-
red, was the independence of the Shrewsbury and WOI-
Terhampton Company, and its existence as a separtite un-
dertiking, that being settled by the stipulation of the lease
required by the incoming company ; for we have uniformly
maintained on the one side and the other, that making the
line, strictly speaking, was with the Grand Junction,
though as a question of policy. I have ventured to press
upon you the expediency of settling with the S:+rewsbury
parties under any circumstrnces, fearing the consequences
which would ensue.

" I find that I wrote to you on matters connected with
the Shrewsbury affairs several letters in July and Septem-
ber, and on the 19th, 20th, 22d,' 23d, and alth August,
(if my memoranda are correct) besides the interview
which I had with you and Mr. Lawrence.
`• Believe me, my dear Sir,
"Yours faithfully,
" GEO. CARR GLYN.

(Signed)
" To John Moss, Esq."

" Otterepool, 11th October, 1814.
"Mr DEAR Stn.—l thank you for your letter of the
7th ; but after Mr. Gore's manifesto, it is due to all con-
cerned, that the part each has taken in the Shrewsbury
matter should be publicly and clearly understood. Now,
as I never, to the best of my recollection, received from
you any letter whatever which is at all in accordance with
the construction put by Mr. Gore, and which others ap-
pear to' put on your letter published to him of the 26th
August, I am very anxious to know which particular letter
of yours to me you allude to in in that letter to Mr. Gore.
Will you be so good as to let me know. I 'may mention
too that I have not any letter from you dated either the
19th, 20th, or 2-Ith August. though I have two which you
do not refer to, dated the 21st and 25th August.
" I am, my dear Sir,
" Very faithfully yours,
"JOHN MOSS.

(Signed)
" To Geo. Carr Glyn, Esq."

" il'o/nerton, 13th Oeober, 1844.
"My DEAR SlR,—Though I have started for a short
time, in the hope of securing a little respite from these
railway turmoils, yet I must acknowledge at once y,ur
note of the llth, and accompany it by the request, that
you will not hold me responsible for the acts and publica-
tions of the Shrewsbury Committee. The first intimation
of the manifesto in question which I received was from
the newspapers. It must be erident to every reader, that
my note inserted in it replied to one point. only—the ex-
istence of the Shrewsbury Company, as a separate and in.
dependent undertaking, as I have already noticed to you.
" I think, as far as my recollection enables me to reply
from hence, several of the numerous letters on the Shrop-
shire affair pressed upon you the expediency of settling
with the Shrewsbury Company; and am confident that
wrote to you a letter, under date of the 19th August,
stating my views more particularly ; and which I had in
my mind when writing to Mr. Gore. The question of
making the line was matter for negociation, and I certainly
hoped from the tenor of the conversation between you,
Mr. Lawrence, and me, that this would have been arran-
ged, feeling that a measure of such great importance to all
interested should not be allowed to fall through upon such
a point, more especially as in other ways efficient controul
over the outlay could be insured to you.
"My movements are uncertain, but letters addressed to
Lombard. street will always eventually find me.
" Believe me, my dear Sir. yours truly,
(Signed,) " GEO. CARR GLYN.

" To John Alois, Esq."
: It-can •hardly be necessary after these letters to add,
that Mr. Moss never received any letter from Mr. Glyn
on which he could have put the construction suggested in
Mr. Gore's published statement ; nor can the Grand Junc-
tion directors admit for a moment that the London and
Birmingham would have had, at any time alter their July
agreement. a right to allude to the making of the line as
"matter for negociation," in their correspondence with
any party, without the previous consent of the Grand
Junction Comrany, that point having been discussed be-
fore the agreement, and concluded by it.
Upon the merits of the Shrewsbury and Wolverhamp-
ton line, and its • prospects, either per se or as compared
with the Shrewsbury and Birmingham, or on the character
or probable cost or revenue of the latter, the Grand Junc-
tion Directors do not proposl to enter again, having in
their former statement submitted their views on those
subject e
detailed,
theygentlemen who compose the provisional committee
of the SIP ewsbury and Birmingham line, for entire exone-
ration from the charge of a desire (what they most un-
feignedly &scloitn) to " dictate" to any party ; and they
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now trust that th..! Shropshire party, as well as the public,
will be ready to concur in the admission of the London
and Birmingham Company, that the Grand Junction
Company have not failed in their engagements to any
.party. . JOHN MOSS, Chairman.
Liverpool, 12th October, 1844.

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