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Irish Committee.
.In making this proposition, the Hon.
Member briefly recapitulated the argnnients which he
had used on a former night, and called upon the House
to put a stop to the proceedings of that Association, by
declaring that they had infringed the law ; or if it were
found that this had not been done, to pass a new law
for putting it down.
Mr. H. TWISS seconded the Motion. He warned the
Catholics to anticipate the Government in putting down
this inauspicious plan of banding together.
Mr. Secretary CANNING thought himself called
upon to answer the call which the Honourable Member
(Mr. Utownlow) had made on the House. He was not
prepared to say whether any steps were necessarf,,, of
the nature alluded to. He considered that the proceed-
ings of this Association were so nearly balanced, le-
gality and illegality, that although they could Ain call
for any declaration of the House regarding tWe'in, yet
they constituted a case which ought to be watched. He
had no desire to shrink from the responsibility which
this course imposed on him. As a Minister of the Crown
he would not call upon Parliament to be guilty of the
indiscretion of passing a new law, until it was seen
whether the Association might not exhaust itself without
coming to extremity, or at least whether its proceedings
were such as to warrant the passing of a new law.
Sir J. NEWPORT thought, if this Petition were sent
to the Committee, the petitions from certain parishes in
the county of Westmeath, and the freeholders in the
county of Cavan, against Orange Associations, ought
also to go before them at the same time. He then lead
a paper descriptive of the proceedings of an Orange
Association at the commencement of the present Session
of Parliament, affecting to assume all the functions of
that House, and establishing a system of delegation
throughout Ireland, with Committee of Finance, 6re.
This meeting was attended by the Grand Treasurer and
Deputy of Ireland, Sir A. 13. King and Sir 11. Lees. Ile
proceeded to read some of their Resolotions, on which he
proposed to ground the mo:ion he intended to make.
Mr. Secretary PEEL was in favour of the motion.
He thought the Petition ought to be efei red to the
Committee as a matter of course. Assenting to the
Motion fur telerring the Petition to the Cominit:ee, he
should not consider himself relieved from any respon-
sibility; but when any act occurred which might render
it necessary, he should consider it to be his duty to sub-
ject the Association to the steady march of the law.—
This he should do in every case where the law was in-
fringed, whether the parties sr cite Catholics or Orange.
men. Ile avowed himself an enemy to all secret and
affiiiated Societies, and from his heart he wished the
Orange Associations were at an end. The formation
of such societies formed a precedent for the establish-
ment of others, whose principles were different. True
loyalty might find other ways of spewing itself; and
lie believed the Government sufficiently powerful to
i protect the loyal without the aid of such Associations.
He thought it would be premature now to give an opi-
nion on the character of the Catholic Association.
Mr. S. RICE spoke against Associations, and announced it
to be his intention to vote for the motion of the Honourable Gen-
tleman, and also for that of the Right Honourable B.ronet.
Sir F. BLAKE called on the Honourable Member for Armagh
to use his influence, as he had avowed himself to be an Orangeman,
to put down Orange Associations. There was an apparent change
in the language of the members of that Association lately, but he
doubted their sincerity, remembering the words of the Poet—
" A man convinced against his will,
" Is of the same opinion still !"
Mr. DAWSON thought it right to say, that he believed the im-
putations thrown out against the Orangemen of Ireland were
unfounded and unjust. They wished their conduct to be inquired
into, and be was confident that they would come out of any inquiry
that might be instituted with honour. He should vote for the
motion. The motion was agreed to.
Sir J. NEWPORT then loosed that the petitions respecting the
Orange Societies should he rt ferred to the same Committee.
The motion was agreed to.
The Orders of the day were then disposed of, and the House ad-
at Tunes ()Thom

The following is the Petition of the Merchants of Lon.
don in faibe;ur of the independence of the new States of

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South America:—
To tbs Honourable the Commons of the United Kingdom, in Par•

!lament assembled.

The Petition of the undersigned Merchants of the City of London,
Shesiettli, That your Petitioners are engaged in trade with the
countries in America formerly under the dominion of Spain.
That the entire extinction of Spanish authority in the greater part
of that Continent, and the encouragement by the Government at
home, induced your Petitioners to embark in that extensive com-
merce, with full confidence that it would receive the most complete
protection, and ultimately prove must beneficial to themselves and
the country at large. The measures adopted by Government most
decisively demonstrated the anxiety to acquire and secure this in-
tercourse. In the Session of 1823, an Act of Parliament was passed,
cap. 43, authorizing the importation of goods the growth, produc-
tion, and manufacture of " any country or place in America, being
or having been a part of the dominions of the King of Spain," either
in British ships, or in ships the build of those countries, In the
folluwing year, Consuls were appointed to proceed to the ports
thereof, and subsequently there has been made public the declara-
tion of his Majesty's Government, that in its opinion " the recogni-
tion of such of the new States as have established, de facto, their se-
parate political existence, cannot be much longer delayed."
Your Petitioners further humbly represent, that many millions of
capital have already been embarked In this trade; and large com- '
mercial establishments have been formed, both us South America'
and at home; and that past experience affords the strongest ground
for believing that this commercial intercourse will admit of great
extension, the reciprocal demand for the productions of the respect
tive countries being constantly increasing.
Your Petitioners consequently find themselves greatly embarrassed
by those countries remaining" without any recognized political exist-
ence." Not a week passes but they are assailed with rumours of the
most alarming kind, involving their proceedings in doubt, hesitation, 11
[ mid distraction ; and grievously destructive of that confidence •s 0
essential to the success of all commercial undertakings.
Tour Honourable House must be well aware that no comma's
dal intercourse can be permanently carried an with security and
advantage to those concerned, if it is rendered liable to fluctuation
by constant alarms of political changes, necessarily producing sudden
and excessive alterations in the value of the property embarked.
That your Petitioners are enabled to state, and to prove unequivo-
cally to your Honourable House, that in the several States of Co-
lombia, Buenos Ayres, and Chili, there does not remain the smallest
vestige of Spanish dominion in any shape, each State enjoying its
own separate and independent Government, free from all interfer-
ence of a hostile force.
That the Revolution which has produced this alteration in the poli-
tical condition of these countries, has now been in progress 15 years.
In Buenos Ayres, there has not been a Spanish soldier in hostility
for eight years ; in Chili there has been none for four years ; and in
Columbia, the third Annual Constitutional Congress is now sitting.
In none of these States does there exist any party or persons in pos-
session of power or authority, excepting the constituted Executive
Governnietit.
Your Petitioners, therefore, humbly submit that these States have
established deflau their separate political existence, and are, accord-
ing to the practice of nations in former instances, entitled to be re-
cognized as independent Governments; hut they would not have
presumed to have addressed your Honourable House on a question
of this nature, if the continued delay in recognizing this political
existence did not pi oduce the most detrimental consequences to the
commercial trans..ctions in which they are concerned.
Your Petitioner, therefore, most humbly pray that your Honour-
able House will take this question into its serious consideration, and
adopt suclt measures as to its wisdom may seem fit, for promoting
the illllllCtliiite recognition 01 the independence of such cat the States
of South Atnetic.t as have, de facto, established the same.
And your reti.iuners, as in duty hound, will ever pray, Sec.

GENOA, DIAY '29.—The schooner Emma, Kcsiarre, will sail in
few days for England, with Sir Wiwast Coatts, But. and M.P.
on board, under the protection of his Majesty's ship Cuaaticataa.