Star.
London, England, 1831-09-17 00:00:00

SPRING GUYS.

Viscount MELBOURNE laid on the table the bill of
which he gave notice yesterday, to repeal part of an act
passed in the late reign, which makes the setting of spring
guns in any other place than the dwelling-house a misde.
meanour. The bill introduced by the no:,le viscount was to
allow tile setting of spring guns and men traps in certain
places, to the protection of property. As the Act in
existence oast passed upon a feeling of humanity,
the noble viscount thought it necessary, in repealing
any part of it, to prevent misrepresenation and
misconstruction, by stating the object of the bill.
Their lordship must be aware that during last autumn
there did prevail a crime of an atrocious systematic
character. He alluded to the crime of setting fire to that
species of property *which it was the object of the bill to
protect. The crime of arson had not the excuse which
might be urged in other offences. It was not to enrich one
individual at the expence of another. In general it was to
answer no other purpose than the gratification of diabolical
malignancy. Their lordships knew In many instances that
the crime might be committed without risk of discovery.
One individual might gratify his malice, and if he ma•
naged the acts of an incendiary with dexterity, no traces
would be left to bring him to justice. The crime being so easy
of perpetration, it became necessary to take mesas to protect
property, and for that purpose the bill he had the honour to
present was offered to their lordships. The provisions of
the bill would authorise two justices of the peace to grant'a
license to any owner or occupier of premises who shell apply
for the same to set spring guns and man traps in barns, out-
houses, buildings, or enclosures, having within it any stack
of corn, grain, hay, or any agricultural produce. This was
the intention of the bill, and it was also provided that notice
of setting such spring-guns and man-traps shall be publicly
given. It was proposed to make the bill temporary.—
It
was to last one year, and to the end of the ensuing session
of parliament The noble viscount knew that some of the ob.
jections to spring guns might apply to this bill, but the pre.
sent state of society made t necessary to sustain some incon-
venience in order that an important advantage might be
gained. Increase of crime unfortunately increased the evils
to which the public were at all times exposed. The noble
viscount concluded by moving, the bill be read the first time.
It was accordingly read the first time, and ordered to be read
a second time on Monday.
ar the motion of the Earl of ROSSLYN the bill re.
gulating the law relating to turnpike roads in Scotland, was
read the second time.
The LORD CHANCELLOR then renewed the hear-
ing of appeals, and adjourned at the usual hour.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.

Colonel EVANS presented a petition from the National
Reform Association of Bloomsbury, praying the house to
address his blejesty.to send forth his fleets for the deliver-
ance of Poland.

Colonel EVANS also presented a petition from Cranbrook,
praying that the oppression with which Mr. and Mrs. Dead.
had been treated might be inquired into. The case had ex.
cited a strong feeling in the country, and he thought govern.
meat and the house would feel it expedient to take some
procteding in consequence.
Mr. WILES said he must concur in the general senti.
went of abhorrence that was excited throughout the court!
try at the conduct used towards Mrs. Deaele ; he was con.
&lent something must be done to appease the public
feeling.
Mt. HARVEY said the parties who defended the con-
duit of the actors in that transaction in that house, stated
that it was 'hair downinatiow to apply to the ourt of
tines Bench foe a new trial ; that could not be done till
next term ; and if It was not then done, he hoped the sub.
ject would be brought again before the house,as certainly
it would require 101110 proceedings to be nby that
house.

Mr. O'CONNELL mid he had petitions to present on
the same subject, from Wingham, In Kent, and from Wol.
verhampton. It appeared to have excited a degree of inter-
est in the country infinitely beyond what be should have
calculated on. He supposed the parties whose conduct was
Impeached would apply to the Court of King's Bench for a
new trial, If not, the subject must be brought under the
consideration oeparliament.
Mr. FERGUSON thought the feeling excited in the
country by the trammed= was highly honourable to the
character of the country ; bat it was nemeesary to abstain
frum any proceedings in that House till Mr. Baring shoul
bare the opportunity of making application to the Court of
King's Bench for a new trial.
Mr. F. PALMS.* biped that inquiries would be pro.
ceeded with ; but the situation of danger in which the Ma-
gistrates were placed, should be taken into consideration.
He knew nothing of tlacuswies clothe ease, but what was
stated in that House.
Mr. LAMB hoped the eiswereadonlwAuld not pressed as
if the question was to be besught bsfbw Mr Hew, It should
apt be titillated by peelimbasydiemmiese.
F. BAElNO.aahlr ihe earimatians he was
given
1 on a fames accedes he ming Mead( se what was abet).
lately necessety; and beget the should not be again
gone Into till the mem rims eine.
Colons} KVA NS pecaseted a *Wm petition (rum Ly.
fliarf. VlMAKi..jes eyed** kern the me.
retwaroier &Do& leargklatag titer the
Jtail. mimed Abe seasialkies M take away tbs
nift.pbm beat the4weleibege i sod Freitag, If
they were to be derived a/ all their anneentsam, that the

dice box and cards, and bunting boots, cap, and whip, might
be takes from the reverend magistrates.
/Ile. NORTH presented a petition fron4th4leasterof the
Rolls in Ireland, complaining that the Lord Mena
Roe, by
an order of his court, prevented him from appointing a se.
cretary, or trying his right to do so at law • and praying
that an act might be passed to remove the legal bar that pre.
vented the trial of that right In a court of law.
Mr. CRAM PTON (lioneitor-General for Ireland) said,
the Master of the Rolls in Ireland never had a secretary—the
secretary of the Lord Chancellor was the secretary of both
the Court of Chancery and the Rolls Court. The Lord Chan-
cellor had Doobjection to the Master of the Rolls appointing
a secretary, but he did object to that secretary charging a
fee, either to be taken from the suitors, or from the secretary
of the Lord Chancellor. He did not think it was a case in
which the house would think it necessary to interfere, as
neither the suitors in the Court nor the public were interested
in the question.
Mr. O'CONNELL supported the prayer of the petition.
Nu man, however exalted, should interpose his authority to
prevent the trial of a right. He was convinced the Master of
the Rolls had a right, and was only prevented from establish •
hog it in a court of law by the order of the Chancellor.
Mr. KNIGHT supported the petition.
Mr. FERGUSON supported the petition.
Sir R. PREL said, he believed it was almost the unani.
mous opinion of the House, that the prayer of the petition
should be complied with, and the Master of the Rolls be
allowed to try his right in a Court of law. If the panic;
themselves would agree to have the right tried by &compe-
tent tribunal, it would be much better than any direct inter-
ference by the House.
Mr. Sergeant IVILDE thought the claim of the Master
of the Rolls should be put in a course of a legal trial, and if
any obstruction was thrown in the way by one of the p:irties,
the Howie should interfere (or its removal.
111 e. LEFHOV supported the prayer of the petition, and
hoped the manner in which it was received by the House
might make any further proceeding on the part of the house

unnecessary.
Sr CHAR LRS WETHRRELL thought the question
might be tried in various ways, and if it could not be tried
without consent, the Lord Chancellor was bound to give
that consent ; but if an Act of Parliament were necessary it
should be passed for such an important purpose.
Mr. CA MPBRLL supported the prayer of the petition.
Mr. SHAW opposed the petition.
Mr. NORTH replied.
The petition was ordered to be printed.
Lord ALTHORP moved that the house, on its rising,
adjourn till Monday next.—Agreed to.
The house resolved itself into a Committee of the whole
house on the grant for the inland• works in Ireland. On a
verbal amendment being put in one of the clauses,
Mr. GOULBURN rose to oppose the bill, on account of
its object being to appoints board of Commissioners to con.
duct the Board of Works, the duties of which were precisely
the same as those which were vested in the Commissioners
of Inland Navigation. He thought it a harsh proctmling to
discharge these Commissioners, who had no claim for an
perannuation, merely for the sake of appointing others of the
nomination of this government. It was a question of public
principle. He thought it was the duty of the government
to retain the present Commissioners, and he moved as an
amendment that three of the present directors of the Inland
Navigation be inserted in the bill.
Mr. 8. RICE deprecated the unworthy objects that the
hon. gentleman (Mr. Goulburn) had attributed to the go-
vernment. The right hon. gentleman treated the charges
with a great deal of humour, and esplained that the object
of the bill was to abridge the number of officers. by throwing
the duties of four boards Into one bused, and of course would
rather abridge than otherwise the government patronage.
The object of the bill was to bring all the estimates under
the public eye. The right hon. gentleman knew that, under
his administration, estimates were not always to be depended
upon. (A laugh.) They were not looking out for economi-
cal arrangements, that would be more expensive by superan-
nuation., as bad been the case when the bon. gentleman him-
self had proposed by way of economy, to grant a superannua-
tion to sons of peers, and which had been opposed by the
house. The right hon. gentleman then stated that the three
Commissioners who had been appointed, were one an officer
of eminence in the engineers, who gave up a larger emolu-
ment, and the other two, were one of them of the Board of
i inland Navigation, who had been appointed by the honour.
able gentleman himself; and the other had also held em.
ployment under the former Government. He trusted he bad
rebutted all the groundless charges of the hon. gentleman.
(Ike was loudly cheered.)
GOULBURN said be had stood up on public prin.
ciple to contend that any public officers who should be dis-
charged without fault were entitled to a provision of super.
annuation.
Mr. STANLEY thought all the ameedons and insinua-
tions of the honourable gentleman had bum answered most
satisfactorily both to the house and the main. (Iless)—
The right honourable gentleman della the issisdseM Or
the honourable gentleman. He (Mr. /sadist) W Mel
responsible for the appointment of Mr. Heidi', but, open
his honour as a gentleman, he had never sees lee up is
that time. He had from experience seen that the cabling
boards had been guilty fer extravagant expenditure, and win
they were comelidating kw beards with *ft *stillest&
it better to swim mums to superintend the slims who
had not been musecsed will the firmer basalt They bid
appointed throe weindwienses to de the Amy of seem, by
which the salaries seism wail be saved.
Mr. HOU L BURN ex
Mr. STANLEY Hp= He had forgotten to state
that he had requested the Commiesionere to retain all the
inferior Wiesen new atiit meritorious character, in-
road d essiagsar
Mr. 0. DA 111Wt.......hebi1l was altogether unneces-
sary, and be Goghs it bed been introduced merely for a
parade of menemp. Way of the most extensive works had
bees pined mar Cis wilesimses who were unpaid ;
and be objected is dm appeinement et a new baud, as be
dies.% paid Ommiwiesses wan voisaistary.
Mr. H U ME rem ee express his mashies to the Bill,
net upon the gemmed. that bad been dimmed to by Iron.
members. wiped to their serving disk Mends, he
was very mock tit&hiame. ad if they were act deist very
reverie ; for, so far distingulehing between and
enemies, he thought as
diem sew wee a set of men wiaaat on
the ministerial bashes who had 'been less dissdieisndwis
that particular; awl h wee a 'matter of doubt to blot, who.
ther or not they maid, acting en the same forbemwee, be
abb to accomplish *pest mamathcy had undertaken.
They were far toe dimes e and he wished that instead of
taking the advice stilt insfules, they world act from their
own judgment, mai use keep about them enemies—aye,
Lord Lieutenants of Ossaties, who would bead meetings in
opposition to the Homemsent aid the people.--(Cries of
" Oh, the Morning Cdrealeis.") Aye, he bad his in.
formation from that piper, and be sets glad that it had been
exposed. But it was not on that account be opposed the
Bill; he opposed it on specific grounds. He considered
that the sums devoted to Imbed might be placed at the
disposal of the Coninsissiesers of Public Works, who sat in
Londoo, and who pedantic& their duties gratuitously.
There wottld be den, besides the saving of the salary given
to the Dublin Commiesioases, a communhy drub for Eng.
land and Ireland.
Aher a few weeds hew Sir 3. Nurses?, Mi. 00111 L•
sour, and other hon, members, the clause wader sadder.
aim was agreed to with verbal ameadesente.
Mr. HU AIR objected es dome 114, 'hi* at
grand juries to booms sow hem the Tammy is
an of public works, sad to repay the sent bile mune of
, ten years by Ise*g en die mantles sae teeth of die leans
annually. The WA, glees ea disjoins., aiming Widens
os t eon, by quoin thew throngh ten yew, wadi
had prealgsee ezpendlives sad es a system et Abbrs.
, Ho should, move move de minim of dm 'keen
Mr. SPRING RIM 'mid the ended= of the dews
would reader the bid beepsestive.
Air. O'CONNILL opposed, and Mr. DAWSON esp.
r ported the clause.
Mr. SH CIL mid there were several cheeks es the grand
jury before it obseined a loan ; the object of expenditure
must have the modem ot the commissioners, of the engineer,
and of the treasury.
Mr. NUMB wool contest himself with wing that the
d juries should have the power of buldening counties
grand
rnonly Ike years, awed, of the leen being repaid an.
puny. instead of one4ssth.
Mr. D. W. HARYRY said, the persons who teemed the
Grand Jaeria Possessed pert of the property a the county,
and
tlaw being co a omeizitly subject to its burdens, would be
'ou in
extravagant ezpanditurs. He esw
'Mend the peolenistion et the time et repayment a baulk.
Be llPPrlnoll of the tibias et the bill, whieb was to
• the pest detect stlrelsad, the west of by itl
versos et money in fambeennee of Instal
After a few words from Lam Mr. CALLAGHAN aid ;Gee
bers,
Mr. WISE said, that the Ministers would be compelled
le change the Grand Jury system—to give the people what

they had the undoubted right to possess, the taxing cf Ott.
selves.
Mr. LEFROY deluged the grand jury system, mar ~
mining that it did not deserve the opprobrium attempted is
be thaws an it.
Mr R. PULL leered that there could not very speedily 1.,
any allbethe at the grand jury system, and that ii
should view with any lavish expenditure by suds
alttbalta
Mr. ANLET tlteledv that he had a bill ready to pre.
sent on dm subjects( die pewees et grand juries in Ireland,
which be peeves& M iatroduse saw with the view of cot.
letting lbs 'Oaks et Ireland respecting it. As to the pre.
sent WM, k odd not fail to be ; and the power, ~f
the Onnenksbaers were tied up as eenuple.t!ly as they could
be. against tt

Except the right hen. teems *Would .be st the
grant by way Olean altogetbse. be did not we how this bill
could be opposed.
Mr. HUMS said he edit thought that the Committee
would act wisely in rejecting this clause altogether.
Mr. SHICIL said the Bill was an improvement of the la►.
for it by no means increased the powers of the grand juries.
It would be better to lodge the power in 23 Commissioners,
consisting of known gentlemen. and who would in reality be
taxing themselves. He considered that the whol: value of
the Bill would be lost if this clause were rejected ; it would
act as a check on grand juries. (Hear.)
Mr. CALLAGHAN declared that the bill was a del u.
don upon the public. It was a delusion to represent that
these monies were expended for the public benefit.
Mr. HUNIE contended that it was delusive to think o:
benefiting Ireland by such means.
The gallery was then cleared for a division on Mr. Hume%
amendment.

The numbers were—
For it
Against it 102
Majority 89
As strangers were being admitted to the Gallery, another
division took place, as was understood, regarding the interen
to be paid upon loans made under the bill, namely, whether
the interest to be charged should be five or four per cent. the
former being the rate mentioned in the clause.
For the amount proposed
Against it

Majority for Ministers
Stveral other clauses were agreed to. and the House hay.
ing resumed, the report was ordered to be received on
Wednesday next.

WATERLOO-BRIDGE NEW-.TWEET BILL.
On the motion of Mr. Bilk., the above Bill was read a
third time, and passed.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and
the House adjourned at a Quarter-past Two o'Cloek.
FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE.

form a sanitary cordon against the cholera on the
frontiers of Tyrol.—Nuremburg Correspondent,
Sept. 7.
From the Messager des Chasebres of Thursday.
PARIS, SEPT. 14.—The reported retreat of a
division of the Russian troops to the Austrian ter-
ritory begins to be explained, although it is not
confirmed in a satisfactory mahner. The Cracow
Courier speaks of a sortie of the garrison of Za-
loose, which was executed with great vigour
against the corps of besiegers, commanded by Ge-
neral Kassaroff, who is said to have lost all his ar-
tillery, and was forced to take refuge in Gallicia
with the remains of his troops. Thus the first re-
ports attributed to the corps of Rudiger, an event
which occurred to that of Kasaroff. The Cracow
paper again speaks of a letter from Lemberg,
which a second time announces the disarming of
the Russians upon the Austrian territory.
We learn through the same channel of Lemberg,
that the Russians are in great alarm lest the Polish
army should pass the right bank of the Vistula, by
the bridge of Praga, to crush the corps of General
Rosen. This General attempted, on the 21st of
August, to burn the bridge of Praga, and to attack
the intrenchments of that faubourg, but he failed
in doing so, and was repulsed as far as Milosna.
Not believing himself in sufficient force, should the
Polish army attempt a sortie, Rosen sent to Mar-
shal Paskewitsch for reinforcements. The latter
was forced to suspend his operations against War-
saw, and to throw a bridge over the Vistula at S or
4 leagues above that town, in order for the pag-
sage of a division which was to join the troops of
Rosen.

This check experienced by Marshal Paskewitsch
explains his inactivity for the space of nearly 20
days. It is added, that the corps of Rosen, in
spite of the reinforcement which he received, is
not sufficiently strong to resist a sortie, which the
roles might effect with 30,000 or 40,000 men
upon the right bank, without however forcing the
latter to leave Warsaw at the mercy of Paske-
witsch encamped upon the left bank.
The Russian Cabinet appears to imagine that it
is the intention of the Polish army, should it be no
lunger able to sustain itself in the capital, to force
a passage in Volhynia, by the route of Lublin and
Zamosc, hoping afterwards to reach. Moldavia, if it
cannot maintain its position in Volhynia. With
this apprehension, the Government is assembling
a new corps d'armee at Dubno (Volhynia,) under
the orders of Field-Marshal Sacken.

It is certain, that in spite of the accounts which
hare emanated from the Russian head quarters,
Warsaw is well provisioned, and is provided with
munitions of war; that the army is in the best
condition, and that the ardour of the soldiers has
increased rather than diminished.

The bridge of Slzyno, which the Russians de-
stroyed in their retreat, is situated upon the ex-
tremity of Prussian Poland. It is not thought
that the Poles have reached so far, nor that the
movement of the Russians is a positively retrograde
sue, but it was believed at Thorn, according to the
last accounts from that place, that the troops of
General Kreutz had suffered a check in attempting
to pass the Vistula, in order to unite with the
Marshal on the right bank.
We believe that the Government of Paris has
not received any direct news from the theatre of
war, and though the information we possess is
certainly not precise, it is satisfactory, as it roves
that the Poles are in a condition to prolong the
struggle, at least till the winter.