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bow our Navy had been successful In every
g. And he thought, as the French Navy was
golydsseenzed, there was no occasion bonus to keep
siliPs*
YOICKE said, his Honourable Friend was iii
mistake with respect to the French Navy;_
$O-tbe French were making very great exertions to
ref`l NavY• They had in the ports of Holland
finders 3.5 sail of the line. They had a pro-
,nena'• ble force at Toulon, and other places ; and
fi;efote we must not let the machine we now had
ao front our hands ; but must be prepared to meet
'inentyOCHRANE in all directios.
'l,oed stronglyC objected to the prat.
;of scattering our force in the manner which had
lea done for a long time ; and said, that a strong
ice of 10,000 men, directed to any particular point
ispsin, would effect more than double that amount,
then divided into small parts. He said the com-
orce of France was going on to an extent that was
oetfible. His Lordship next took notice of the
est;nordinary advantages which the enemy derived
fon the numerous signals and telegraphs which they
won their coasts, and by which they received and
rocnitted inu:iliz;ence kith astonishing celerity;
odic was, surprised that no means had been adopt-
by us to destroy such of them as were erected ,
Joe to the shores. He would rather see a floating
~uaent hovering over the enemy's costs, than
ormilitatv force, however grew, in the enemy's
etztry. Such armaments would cause the enemy
to keep immense bodies r f troops on their coasts, and
age a most important diversion. If the energies
ions country were used in a proper manner, it
odd be impossible for the efforts of Bonaparte tuej
continue one year longer. He next alluded to the
enormous expellees attending the Courts of Admi-
pity, which he represented as the greatest grievance
*Navy laboured under ; and he declared, that if
uoinillion a-year was saved in these expellees, that
vmld cause a saving of many millions to the Public.
Mr. HUTCHINSON took notice of several parts
tithe Estimates. He particularly objected to the
very small salaries allotted to the schoolmasters, in
ecnsequence of which competent persons were pre-
vented from untiert i king that arduous and useful si-
tuation. He next found fault with the very inade-
Onesalaries of Captains in the Navy, which ought
on heincreased ; and he again noticed the grieva .ces
of Marine Officers, as highly injurious to the service.
The Resolution was then agreed to, and various
other sums were afterwards voted for the different ex-
pellees of the Navy.
ARMY ESTIMATES.
Lord PALMERSTON rose to move the Army
Inimatesfor the ensuing year. He said, they were
generally framed on the estimates of for mer years. He
began by suiting, that in the estimate of the Land
forces there was a considerable increase of expelice
this year. One source of expellee was the establish-
tent ofschoolma sters, a measure adopted by his Royal
Uighness the Commander-in-Chief, who had deters-ai-
red that there should be a schoolmaster appointed to
eery regiment : this expence amounted to 020,000
sredr. Another expence was the remounting several
sour cavalry who had been some years ago dismount-
There was also an increased charge of 822,000
tithe regular cavalry, from an increase in the num-
krof ptivates and Lieutenants. There was in 'the
!egular regiments of the line, an increase of £'277,000,

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f6itonsequence of increasing the number of men.—
There was also an increase of A 22,1,000, in consequence
if Government taking some battalions into tl.eir ser- '
1,-ice, which battalions hitherto were in tne pay of the
iast•lndia Company. The next increase was in the
RoyalWaggon Train, winch now consisted of 11 in-
riadoi nne t:oops. There was also an increase ot
i 25,000 in the miscellaneous charges, in consequ..arce
tithe expences of recruiting, dm. There was another
item in the contingencies—this was an allowance to
officers who were wounded. The Prince Regent had
ordered him to propose pensions towounded officers of
thearmysimilar to those granted to officers of the navy.
There was therefore then an increase ot 10,000 men,
oat a charge of ':•,76,000 over the charge ot last year.
—There were also some additional charges in .conse-
Oft of the interchange of the militia 'regiments
brecell Great Britain and Ireland. But the
aide militia establishment had undergone a reduc-
tka; ad the balaace of the increased expence was
about 8100,000. There was an increase in the Staff,
eici)unting altogether to 463,000. This increase
arose from the addition of General and Medical Otli-
efts serving in the Peninsula. There was an increase
tin Invalids Pensions, alsd in the Local Militia. Ti ere
vat a charge of £lBO,OOO in the fuivign cords, in
acteguence of augmenting the numbers of these
..,GPs There was a sm .11 reduction in the Royal
14111t217 College, amounting to about 13700. It
lAN however, ptobabie that application would be
"IfictoPiulianient this Session, for a sum of £loo,ooo
!completing the buildings at Sandhurst College.—
Compassionate List lnid also increased £1930,
%would be found to arise from the increased
%he of persons on the list. The Committee had
117 co the table the revtlar accounts of this list
lirear to year, by which it would see whether any
Witegper ere had been made of it. The barrack de-
tilamt to Ireland had sustained a diminution of
41400 and the Irish Commissariat that cf £16,139,
rhe.
arose from the Commissaries being enabled to
tae forage, &c. cheaper than formerly. The
alttlonnated allowances had increased £1,340,
:rpm the retiring of several old and met itori-
,r s,. and other servants. On a genleral view
, k
Esmates it weruld be seen, that with an in-
-7 of 1952 men, the whole increase in the charr
11_4590,000. It might be satisfactory for the
to. know that the regular recruiting service had
men; that the volunteering front the
Ktaasll,676 ; and the foreign corps 4.75.; men.
c 'mines of the army amounted to 21,000 men,
spit the increase of British recruits exceeded the
ceualties b
40 y more than 2000 men. It was pleasing
lad observe, that notwithanding all our battles
the ravage . of fatigue, disease, the
yrs"rd. ages, casualties had fallen short and
of those of for -
Ir7ears.
theItIBANKES praised the able manner in which
Noble
Lord had brought fcrward these estimates,
hena he h„
6...„"Peu that, if the present system was found to
ho I—utnclal to the country, it would not be changed;
u~lle 'ev.ta afraid that the new Military Asylum
e attended with more expencc than had been
ti;ectodat.tilre estimates. On one part of them (the
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and that in these days, when party spirit ran so high,
we should at least have been unanimous in declaring
our gratitude to the great man who had deserved so
well of his country.
Sir C. BURREL added his testimony to the me.
rits of Lord Wellington, and declared, that had the
sum proposed been larger, it should have had his
support.
The question was then ptit and agreed to, with the
exception of one voice, that of Sir F. Burdett.
The House resumed, and the report was ordered
to be received on Monday.
MONUMENT OF GENERAL CHAT:FORM
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER,
after paying a tribute to the merit and cow age of
e,neral Craufurd, who tell at the taking of Ciudad
R.Jrigo, moved, that an hutinble Address should be
pres.nteil to the Prince Regent, paying that he would
be ~sr.icir)•isly pleased to give directions, that a mo-
nument s!“,tlld be elected to his memory.
Lord CASTLEREAGH -seconded the motion,
and bore his testimony to the 'bravery and courage
of General Cranium! : a more meritorious officer than
whom the British army could not boast.
The motion was then agreed to unanimously.
NAVY ES I'IMA*I
, The; House then went into a Committee of Supply,
andAe Army and Navy Estimates were referred to
the Vhmmittt e.

Mr. YORKE said, in proposing the Navy Esti-
mates for the present year, it gave him great satis-
faction to be able to state to the House that the sum
required for the ordinary and extraordinary service
would be less than that required last year by nearly
7gst7tNooo ; besides which, there was an article in-
serted in the present Estimate not strictly naval ; he
meant•4Bo,ooo, to defray the expences of making
the breakwater in Plymouth Sound ; therefore, if that
were deducted, it would reduce the Estimate to nearly
4600,(X)0 less than last year. In addition to which,
he had the pleasure of stating to the House, that the
Crdinal y and extraordinary debt of the navy, on the
Ist of January in the present year, was between 8 and
4900,000 less than it was in January, 181,9. This
was owing to the liberal supply granted by the House
last year. The purchase of stores would not neci.s-
sat ily be so large as they were last year. The ordi-
nary would require 491,018 less ; the extraordinaries
4331,489 and on the traasport service there would
be a saving of 456,000; he should, therefore, be
justified in taking a vote for 4500,000 less than last
year. The papers respecting the breakwater were not
yet ready to lay before the House ; that vote, thee;-e-
-fore, of 480,000, he should forbear to ask till Monday.
There was one topic of expence, however, to which he
must allude, as one which would exist in future, and
that Has one of which he hoped the House would ap-
prove. There was, he bel:eved, a fund in existence
which for several years, at le ist, would de:ray this
charge, and therefore it was not inserted in the Esti-
mates—what die alluded to was the present situa-
tion of Chaplains in the navy. The manner in which
they were at present provided for was such as had
caused them of late years to fill off most deplorably;
and at present the provision for then was so low it
could not be expected persons properly qualified
wou:d be found to supply their places ; and, in tact,
at present there were no more than 3.9 Chaplains in
the whole navy, There was a fund from which they
formerly had been paid, viz. 4d. per month from the
pay of each man on board the ship ; but this fund,
which amounted to about 430,000, had been diverted
from its original purpose. This fund, however; pro.;
perly applied, he was pees' +(Jed, would fully answer
tor making a c,:rifartehle provision for them. What
he would propose would he to give every Chapla n a
sal cry of 4215 a year ; and when they chose to act
as schoolmasters, they would also be entitled to Queen
Anne's allowance of 420, which, wit:: some little
corepliment from the young Gentlemen they would
have under their care, woule inersetee their inc..me to
about 4260 a year. He should also propose that,
after they had ben at sea ten years, they should be
enticed to retire on a pension of ss. per day, for life.,
cr till they obtained promotion in the Church to the
amount of £4OO per annum. Ile did not recollect
that he had any thing further to submit to the Com-
mittee, but should conclude with moving, That there
be granted, to his Majesty- the sum of 41,038,514, for
defraying the contingent expences of the Admiralty
and other Boards for the year.
Mr. CALCRAFT was glad to hear the construc-
tion of the Breakwater had been determined on ;
when finished it would be a most valuable improve-
ment. He wished to take this opportunity of calling
the Right Hon. Gentleman's attention to the situation
of the shipwrights, and.other workmen, employed in
the Dock-yards, particularly to the circumstance of
their being subject to the Income Tax. He had been
requested by them to present petitions to the House
on that subject, and he had done so. He also wished
to call the Right Hon. Gentleman's.attention to the
mode in which they were paid their wages, which he
understood was extremely d'ssatisfactory to them ;
and that when they complained, they were told they
might go elsewhere. He had been informed, he hoped
not correctly, that some of them had in consequence
gone to the United States ; he trusted none-had been
rash enough to go over to the enemy.
Mr. YORKE said, with respect to the Income
Tax, it pressed no harder on the class alluded to by
the Bon. Member than it did on other individuals.
If indulgence were extended to one class, it must be
to all. As to their situation with respect to wages,
they were on a substentialty good footing : the ship.
wrights got Gs. (id. per day, and the-masons ss. 7d.
and in many instances they made at the rate of 25
per cent. more than Chit ; and after a certain number
of years set vitude they had an allowance for life. If
these men complained, they did it without reason.
Mr. CALCRAFT asked, if the men were still al-
lowed their BJ. per day chip-money ?
Mr. YORKE said, lie understood they were, and
the inferior classes of workmen 4d. and ri. per day.
Admiral MA RK HAM made some objections to
the expense of building the Tremendous at Plymouth,
which he did not think would answer the purpose
intended.
Mr. YORKE replied, that there was reason to ex-
pect that ships built on the principle of the Tremen-
' dons would answer every purpose.
Mr. G. JOHNSTON observed, that a report had
prevailed for some time that the Right Honourable
Gentleman now at the head of the Admiralty Board
t was about to retire from his situation ; and he was
sure the public would hear that report with great res

Pensions) he Would ehher take lhe sense of the 1-tonge
at that time, or would do soon the bringing up ofthu
Report. lie then read several Resolutions.of the Pi-
' mince Committee, to prove that the Paymastership of
the Widows' Pensions was a perfect sinecure, and that
of Deputy was not mach better.
Colonel M'MA HON said. he had received that, as
well as many other marks of favour, much more than
he deserved, from the munificence of his Royal Mas-
ter. 11 it were necessiry t prove his services in the
army, he could appeal to many officers, who had de-
served well if their country, that tew men had seen
'more real service than he had while he was in the*
army, and until he was obliged to quit it on account
of bad health. He did not however wish to retain
this situation if Parliament thought it unnecessary.
Mr. BENNETT contended it was a perfect sinecure.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
answered Mr. Banks; and also a few observations
made by Mr. XVIIITBREAD and Mr. TIERNEY..
General FERGUSON stated, that a regiment in
Guernsey had been recruited by 11; persons from
the 'hulks.

Mr. RYDER admitted, that at tl:c rccommfmda-
tion of Mr. Graham, some persolt condemned f
small offences to the huhu, and who had conducicd
themselves with inopriety since, had I.cen taken into
!the military service.
After a few ob,ervations from Mr. WysNR, Lrrd
TLAIPLF, Lord P.l LSIERSTONP, Mr. MARTIN, and Mr.
LONG, most of the Resolutions were agreed to.
On the Resolution for granting £61,000 for Wi-
dows' Pensions,

Mr. BANKES moved, as an amendment, to omit
the £2OOO to Colonel M'Mal,l::, for the Paymaster-
ship, and thus to make the slim L 59,000.

A division, ensued.—For the original motion, 51,;
for the amendment, 39.—Majority, 15.
The remaining Res ilutions were then agreed to,
and the Report ordered-to be received on Monday ;to
which day, alter disputing of a few orders of cuursc,
the House adjourned.