Star.
London, England, 1805-04-02 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

Mr. Bowycr's Lottery Bill was react a third time, and paired.
Mr. Pita N L brought to the bat- an Account of the unfunded
Debt of Ireland up to the st h ~1 jaculry taft, together with an
account of errain other Char;:' outitanding, he. .vhieh were or-
dered to be laid on the table, and to be printed.
Accounts were alio brought from the Batik of England, of Dol-
lars trued front the Bank to the Weft period it could be made up.
Ordered to lie on the table, and to be printed.
The Neutral Wirth Bill—tlic Prize Ships Dill—the Neutral
Ships American Goods Bill—were read a third time, and pared.
On the motion of Mt Rose, _

The inflicter& r.',l2.ate of Ailowance on Quarter ng Soldiers Ell,
palled a Committer of the Houk, and the report was ordered to-
morrow, on the motion of the S, eretary at War.
Lord ARCIiIIIALD M 0.111104 pottponed, until after Eaßar
Peed.* the motion of which he had giro) notice.
The Eicife Duty Bill was read a third time and pallid.
The Bengal C...uneil Bill, and !nth Spirit Licence Bill were
committed. The report of the former received, and ordered to
be read a third time to-morrow ; the report of the latter ordered
for to-morrow. _

The MI6 Militia Redution Bill traa committed. Report to-
morrow.

Mr. FRANCIS poilponed his motion on the India Affairs till
Friday.

CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS.

Mr. MARTIN moved, that there be laid before the Houfe a
Return of the Particulars of Exyclice Incurred in Ireland for Cr-
iminal Profccutions conduded by the Crown from the aft of Ja-
nuary 1793, to the lit of January, 8o t .—Ordi. rod.

SUSPENSION OF THE HABEAS CORPUS.

Mr. JAMES I.ITZGERALD rote to remark, that fo long ago
as the Lab of keltruary Lift, an Order of the Houk had been

made that the proper officer Hamad make 3 rt turn of the nt.nshrr
of perfons taken up, in confequenee of the furpodion of the HA-
hams Corpus in Ireland ; as alto an account of the rcrf"ns
charged. As yet, now, at the end of revel' he lie 1- I, •
fuels Return on the Table. He moved, ther..fore, that :he Order
be read; which having been done,
The SPEAKER Rated the uiage of the H mfe in fur?'
When any Return has been ordered, and that R,:,.:tt I a, been
neglected to be made, the ufu4;toerfc is to repeat the Order in a
more peremptory form. Should that not prove (flat tia!, the neat
Rep 1. to tu-dex the attendance of the perfun or perfon; it the 13.1 r
of the Houk.

Mr. Fl CZGERALD then moved, that the laid return be made
forthwith.—Ordered.

LORD MELVILLE.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQIE R.
66 On the fubjeft of the difcullion of the Tenth Re-
port of the Commiffinners of Naval Inquiry, a letter
was fent by my Lord Melville to thole Commiflion-
ers, which it is important for the Hook to take an
opportunity of feeing, and there will be no objeCtion,
I prefume, to my motion for producing it ; but it
any doubt exift of the propriety of moving it now, I
fhall give notice of moving it to-morrow. I lhould
think, however, the Houle would agree to the mo-
tion now, as I fee no figns of diffent. I therefore,
Sir, now move, ' that there be laid before this
Houle a Copy of a Letter by Lord Melville to the
Committee of the Board of Inquiry.' I believe there
has been no anfwer to it. If any proceedings what•
ever have been had upon it, of which I am not aware,
I thould with them alfo to he laid before the liirtife.
The letter was fent by that Noble Lord to the Cc'm-
mitlioners on Thurfday or Friday laft ; bite I had
no opportunity of moving for the produnion of it
former. We ought to know whether any fleps have
been taken on that letter, and there ought to be a
fhort interval of time to afford the Members of this
Houfe an opportunity of conlidering it : fo that the
difcullion of this fubjed can hardly, with any degree
of convenience, take place on Thurfday next, the
day for which it (lands at prefent. I earnettly with
the difcuffion not to be protralled at all, unnecef-
farily, and that at all events it lhould take place be
fore the Eafler Recefs. Gentlemen, upon confider
ing fully the whole circumaances as they now (land,
will probably be of opinion that fome day early in
the next week would be molt convenient for the dif-
cuflion."

Mr. GREY.—" It is impoffible forme to anent to
putting off this motion on the pa;t of my Honoura-
ble Friend (Mr. Whitbread) to a diflant day ; at the
fame time I am qLite certain he willies, as we all
with, the qtl!,ell opportunity may be taken to examine
eve: y docoment which is material to elucidate this
matter, although I am fure my Honourable Friend
withec, as well as myfelf, that the difeullion may not
be unnecelfar ly protraeled. If this letter he fo ex-
reeve that Gentlemen cannot come prepand xvith
it, as with the report, onThurfday, it would be bet-
ter to pofipone the difcuMon to the beginning o; the
next week. I hope it will not be for any longer pe-
riod ; for, although I can anfwer for my Honourable
Friend as far as I can anfwer for any body, that he
will affent to every thing that can be agxed of him in
fairnefs, yet I cannot undertake that he will cnnfcnt
to any unneceffarY delay. Won theft ternis, I have
no Objeet to the motion of the Right Hon. Gentle-
man ; but fuppollng that no anfwer has yet been
given to this letter, and that an antWer can be giv:_o,
a would fuLell to the Right Hon. Gentleman the
propriety ot adding to hi, motion—" and of any an-
lwer which may have been given to the fame."
The CH -INCELLOR of the EXCHEQIJEP..—
" I am not aware that any proceeding whitteverlas
been had upon that letter, contains a full ex-
planation of the matter as it refpeEts the conduct of
the Noble Lord, and which he has offered to verify
upon-oath. If any future proceedin;:thould be had
upon'it, there is undoubtedly, a man felt propriety
in the fuggeflions of the Hon. Gentleman. It would
be extremely defirous that the difeutlion fhculd take
place in the beginning of the week ; but it cannot be
on Monday, bccaufe for that day another fubjea
Elands for dircuffion—that day may, however, be
taken for the purpose, if the Hon. Gentleman who
gave us notice, would be plcafed to waive it—Friday,
in this week, I am afraid, would be too loon for
this difeutlion."

Mr. FOX--" I fhould think that Friday would
be a proper day for this difcullion, if I did not feel,
from experience, that at the latter end of the we‘::.
be the bufin fs what it may, it is difficult to keep
many Members in town ; but the fuhje6t connoted
with the condo& of Lord Melville, I tho.ild think
might be appointed for Monday, and other bufinefs
may be put off, or taken fooner. I hope, however,
it will nut go beyond that period."
Mr. GREY.—" As great advantages may be de-
rived from this propofed delay, I hope my Honour.
able Friend (Mr. Francis) whn has a motion on the
affairs of India, on that day, will take it at form
other time."

Mr. FRANCIS.—" I do not with any further de-
lay on that fubjc&"
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHRUER.
" The Honourable Gentleman has been good enough
to pollpone that matter once already to meet my
withes : if he pleafe we can take his motion fume
day next week."
Mr. FRANCIS.—" On Friday."
Mr. GREY.---,‘ Then we are to underfland that
the difcuffinn of the Tenth Report comes on certain-
ly on Monday, unlefs fomething flaould happen which
there is now no reafon to apprehend ?"

The CHANCELLOR s:f. the EXCHEQUER.—
" To tuiderfland moll clearly that it is to come on en
Monday, unlefs fomething thould happen which none
of us have any apprehenfion of at prelent."
It was then underflood that the motion of Mr.
Francis, on the affairs of India, (hall be made on
Friday, and that the difeufflon of the Tenth Report
of the Committee of Naval Inquiry (hall take place
on Monday next.
The motion was then put thus : 4, That there be
laid-before this Houle, a copy of a letter hom Lot d
Vifcount Melville to the Commiflioners of Inquiry,
appointed under the 43d of his prefent Welty, dat-
ed the 28th of March, 1805, and of any proceeding
had thereupon, or any anfwer thereto, by the fail
Commiffioners." Carried ,rem. con.

CrIRNELIUS (MOGAN.

Colonel MARTIN (of Galway) moved for a copy
of the evidence and proceedings before the Houle
of Commons of Ireland, upon an Mt paired in the
38th of the prefent King, on the attainder of Corne-
lius Grogan, Dip of John's-town, in the county of
Wexford, for High Treafon, fo far as thole pro-
ceedings regard the Paid Cornelius Grogan.. The

Honourable Member made feveral obfervatiors u.
II:our of his motion, a-nd alerted, that if his motiait
were granted, it would afford him the nteans of ex-
iiihiting the flagrant proceedings that took place in
thole traufadions by which that mil olunate rn..ta
101 l his life, which was within tucnty-four hours af-
ter the King's troops entered the town of We xfcrd,
and this was all the fpace of time allowed him lor
fair trial, and the mention ff the niii;tare acme tee.
Lord CA STLEREA GI i wifhed the 1 fonourahle
Member had diflindly fttred the objet of t i, motion
Mr. Grogan, as far as his Lordthip recolled,.d the
circumtlances, was tried by a Court Martial oidtred
by General Lake, confining of thirt:en or foarteea
officers of high rank and reepedab:iity, atlitled by e
Judge Advocate ; and had as fair a ttial as the cir-
cumttances of the country c‘aild be expelled to at-
ford. But that tranfadion was not lo particularly
conneded with the attainder in Parliament, which
was direded againft three perthas then dead.
Honourable Member had not Rated in the Houle rot
what ulterior purpofe this propolition was fubmitted.
No ufeful end was apparent in the prefent motion.
He hoped the Houle would decide upon it, fo as not
entirely to prejudge its merits, that the Honourable
Member might ha4e an opportunity of introducing it
in another way. His Lordthip concluded by moving
the Older of the Day.
Colonel MARTIN laid, that from what he knew
of :Le execution of the Gentleman he had named,
and of the confiteation of his property, he did not
expeat the acquiefeence of the Noble Lord. He
thotialit the Noble Lord would not do notch credit
-
to his own adminilfration, if he (tippled the evi-
dence before the Houle did not exift. But he had
hintlelf taken care to afcertain that fad when laft in
Leland, and he found that the very words of the
witnelfes at the bar of the Houle were taken down
by a man of the name of Trelham, and other per-
fines had taken accurate copies of every fyllable on
the fitlijed from the Journals of the Houle. The
Noble Lord had dated, that this perfon was tried
with all the formalities and felentnities of Courts-
Martial. He cared nor, for the argument's fake,
whether he admitted thl,, or not ; hut he could eafily
prove that it was not fo. He would afk the Attor-
ney General, if his experience could tell him of a
man incarcerated being taken from a jail, and tried
by a Court Martial arm executed ? Would that learn-
ed Gentleman call this a legal preceding ? He
would call it murder ; and would Parliament pro-
ceed with confifcation founded on murder ? When
he appealed to the United Parliament of both coun-
tries its behalf of the family of that unfortunate man,
The Noble Lord (Itches-eel himfelf under the forms of
the Hoare. He would (lake credit, that the per-
ufal of the evidence would difclofe feenes that
would fcarcely be expelled. Let the lie he given to
all complaints by the produelicn of the papers he
now afked for. He would affert, that as loon as the
King's troops entered Wexford the place was in per-
fel peace, and on that day, when this man fuffered.
the Commiffron was in the county, and Serjeant Stan-
ley with it, to open it in the King's name. He chal-
lenged the refutation of the Nohic Lord refpeelirw
the regularity and formality of the Court Martial.—
On the examination, he had allied General CI addock
whether the Court confined oldie uthal number ? to
which the General anfwered, No, it did not, but it
was judged necellary to make a fpeedy example. He
then Ake], whether Mr. Grogan had counfel, agent.
cr friend ? Tn this the answer was in the nega-
tive. 'Being asked whether he heard him, the Gene-
ral's anfwer ..vas the fame. Did he apprc7e the fen-
tence ? Yes. Did he order his execution ? Yea—
Would it now be too much for the Houle to revile
the attainder, under thefe circumflanees, and carried
at a moment of Inch political heat ? The ufe he
meant to make of his motion, if granted, was ob-
vious and honourable. If the Howe fhould think
that there was not futlicient ferions evidence againft
Grogan, they would relieve his family horn the at-
tainder. He would undertake to prove that Grogan
was accufed of ercalon upon the ground laid down
by Lord Coke, and cooled from him by Lord Hale;
he was forced to join, and comb-wed only while that
forte esitted. This he pledge.d himfelf to prove by
the evidence before the trills Parliament, if it iliould
be fubmitted to that Honfe, which would not thew
him to. have beets a rebel, but a mser;toriaus, hone%
and loyal man.
Mr. FOX was furptifed to hear from the Noble
Lord oppofite, that Parliament co,:ld not I everie an
attainder. This was not the cafe, at leap in the Par-
liament of England. The Noble L; rd mule furely
know that many nt the molt h atourable and noble
aels of the Btitills Parliament, had been the reverfal
of attainders. He wan pet ledly fati,fied, as far as
he had heard of Mr Grogan, that if the tranfadions
attending his confileation were laid before the Houle,
the attaindcf would be reverfed. It would be one
of the word of all tyrannies to (hut die door upon :Al
hopes of reviting a meathre paired under loch cir-
cumliances.

Lord CASTLEREAGH rofr to explain. He
had originally rimed tliat he had ❑o perfonal
whatever that flood in the way of the Hon. Member's
motion. He only detired to know the objed in view,
which he did not learn till the I-lon. Gen'lernan made
his fecond fpecch. He moved the Order of the day,
merely to give him a better opportunity. Parlia-
ment was no doubt quite competent to reverfe bill>
of attainder, but certainly not to retry queflions of
that defcription. As to the (late of the country, he
differed from the Honourable Gentleman. The Com -
million that had been mentioned was going to Cark,
and he remembered Mr. Serjeant Stanley informing
him, on his return, of the difficulty he had in getting
through Wexford, and how near he was being taken
by the rebels. The town of Wexford was approach-
ed by General Lake on one fide, and by General
Moore, who hid Linde.: at Waterford, on the other;
and the whole flare of the country was fiagrante
and not in fuch a fituatiou as was dc:Crihed.

Sir JOHN NEWPORT was allonithed to hear
the Noble Lord fay, that Parliament could not re-
try matters of attainder, and referred him particu-
larly to the cafes of Lord Ruflell and Sir C. Cornifh,
fhortly after the Revolution, and feveral other in-
flames might be found. He had no doubt in his
own mind on the prefent fubje."l ; but he thought the
Houfe ought to be put in pi.iletlion of the particu-
lars, and a better judgment would be farmed now
than in the feafon of irritation. The circumilances
of the family of the Grogans were very fingular.—
One brother, neat in age to the unfortunate perfon

lind teen alluded to 1' cften, fell fighting againff
trot reitel, at As klow ; and the other refilled them in
p7rp 4, till he was driven out of the County of Wex-
ford by force. Whets thele two brothers had thus
!hart their loyalty, patrintilm, and bravery, he
awe was font claim upon the attention of
1;., : joule in the prefent cafe.
General LOFTUS was at Wexford at the time
Court Martial was held, and he thought there
v ,:re this teen nr lout teen refpedable officers upon it,
as well as the Judge Advocate. He believed he gave
Gcazi al Lake the information where Mr. Grogan
,vas to he found. It was very Iliange that Mr. Gro-
;la th 'old h Ire gone out of the way at that time.
1l: remembered Alf.), upon tome repretentations,go-
jeg to General Lake, and b-gging him to put off the
t.hich was deferred g.CAZ part of the day;
;..ot the information he fubfequently received from
tt.l prople of the town, did nut warrant his plea.—
T.isi county, he confidered, to be in a mod diffurbeci
ai• rgtrons flare
I..rd CASTLEREAGH explained. His Lord-
faiir tr.onght, that after what had paired, the matter
appeared rather in a different view. Nothing could
have been more exemplary than the condua of the
brothers of Mr. Grogan, who fuffered at Wexford ;
and indeed the Crown had conveyed the entire pro-
perty to the family of the deceafed.
After a few words from Mr. Francis, the motion
was agreed to arms.