Star.
London, England, 1831-09-23 00:00:00

AI. AIM MIS. DiACI.I4

Colonel EVA Rirore To move that the petition for en-
quiry into the cave of Mr. and Mrs. Deatie be referred to a
Committee. He did not desire to produce any debate
on the subject; bnt curiously enough, neither the Borings
nor the Deacies *ere 4atistied with his conduct and state.
menus, which showed that he bad not evinced any partiality
to either party.
Mr. WILKES seconded the motion.
_ _

Mr. F. BARING observed, that he should afford facility
to promote the investigation.
Lord ALTHORP said, the motion was of the greatest
importance, and calculated to lead to serious consequences,
if matters already decided by Courts of Law were to be again
Investigated by Committees of that House. (Hear.) He
knew the parties immediately concerned desired the fullest
Investigation, but be must look to the principle of the mo-
tion; and he, therefore, regretted to say that he must op-
pose the motion. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. HUME was surprised at this opposition, because
be had understood that the Ministers would approve the
motion; it being resisted—and so unexpectedly—he thought
it was only fair that the motion should be allowed to be
adjourned. •
Lord ALTHORP did not wish any body to be taken
by surprise ; he had no objection to the modem being
postponed ; but the better way would be to withdraw it,
and thus allow the motion to be remodelled if that were
requisite. He suggested that it be again brought forward
on Tuesday.
After some explanations from Mr. Marna and Sr T.
BAYING,

Mr. Gt lULEU RN thought the motion ought to be at
once concluded, or regularly proceeded with.
Mr. ROBINSON thought that the inquiry by their corn. i
mittee would not satisfy or settle the public mind.
Col. EVANS said, he was prepared to comply with the
suggestion of the noble lord. He should withdraw the mo-
tion, and renew it on Tuesday.
Sir J. SCA RLETT said what would be the result of any
such inquiry ? What would be the effect of instituting in-
quiries on petitions, complaining of magistrates ? If the
complaints were deemed to have been proved, they could
only address the Crown for the removal of the magistrate,.
That would not be from evidence on oath. If the complaints
were received they would be preferred once a week ; for
there was a spirit abroad to bring the whole of the wag's-
traey lbto contempt.
Sir R. VTVYAN thought that the business had better
proceed.
Mr. HUNT contended that inquiry ought to be insti-
tuted, because they could not apply to the Court of King's
Bench except there were corrupt conduct and comer in-
tention attributed to the Magistrates. It there were no
inquiry, the house would not improve its character for jus-
tice.

Mr. LAMB regretted that be should entertain the harsh
opinion, as it might appear that this inquiry could not be
advantageously proceeded with. (Hear, hear.) The peti-
tions that had been presented wets highly honourable to the
feelings of the country; but to what good result could In-
quiries by that house lead? (Hear.) Let it be remembered
that the friends of the motion required the postpeointent.
The motion was then withdrawn.
wHITZIOT 011ZNC1111.
Mr. STANLEY moved for leave to bring Inn MB to
amend the law relating to ' Whiteboy' offenses in Ireland.
He enumerated the series of Wiriteboy offences now punish-
able with death. He proposed to remit the capital punish-
maw, and substitute transportation, that being infinitely
more dreaded than death. He elms proposed to do away
with the distinction of offences committed lathe day or ht
time ;at present these offences, when cosonslood r the day
the
time, were misdemeanours, and caoml perganeead Is die
night. He also proposed to repeal dames giving power
to magistrates to search foe arms where the perties were
papists. He took this oppeetrarty of saying duel* pm-
posed in this session, as arms, to revive theexisting
act for one year. (hear) He did so on account of the stets
of the session. He should next session consolidate the laws
on this subject. He concluded with moving for leave
to bring In the Bill to amend the law regarding Whiteboy
offences.

Mr. O'CONNELL approved of this mitigation of severe 11
1 and sanguinary laws.
Motion agreed to. •
fuss ati7Oase.
Mr. NORTH puts question to the Chancellor of the Es.
chequer, requesting to know when the second reading of the
Irish reform bill would be fixed foe ?
Lord ALTHORP replied that it was intended to move it
OD Monday nest.
The report of the sugar refining bill, after some conversa-
tion, was brought up and re-committed for further consi-
deration on Wednesday.
The Enclosure Act Title Bill was re-committed for Wed-
nesday next.
Mr. HUME presented a petition from a person named
Edward Wyndburst, who resided it Chelsea, and having
been in London, had purchased two copies of a political
handkerchief, printed on calico, which he was carrying
home, when he was met by a man on the way, who earnestly
Importuned hint to sell one of them be very reluctantly
consented, and for which he was taken in custody by the
man, who turned out to be a policeman in disguise, and had
been sentenced to three months to the House of Correction,
Coldbath-fields, by a Magistrate. His family bad been left
In a state et destitution. The Hon. Member lobbed by
moving for a copy of his commitment, which was agreed to.
The other orders of the day being disposed of, the House
adjourned at a little past B ht.
FORM U 1 %EELLIGENCE.

CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES, MO NDAY—DE BA TE
ON POLAND.
11. Slam:mm-1 demand an account from Ministers of
their political conduct. It is now a month since. on the dis-
cussion of the Address, you made known your solicitude
for Poland. Poland has perished; and I am desirous al
knowing whether that grevious loss is the work of the Ml-
nistry, through Its weakness or its polies. I am aware, that
whenever Poland has been mentioned, Ministers never failed
to declare, that to undertake its defence would be the means
of bringing on a general war. At a distance df four hundred
leagues from it, frontiers, and separated front it by Germany,
what wield we do for it? I know not how the King's
Ministers could address to us such questions. You had
various means of assisting Poland. Gratitude, which
would have opened to it a communication through Prus.l
ski, would have doubled the courage of the Poles.
You could intervene between Poland and Russia as me-1
diatom ; could you not have sent secret awistance in the
shape of money and arms ? And why secret assistance ?
Had you not Beets ? Had you cot the Baltic and the Black
Sea? When the insurrection broke out in all the Russian
did they not seaports ? You would thus
Lleinea
aidede the insurrection, doubled the force of the Poles,
and saved %Varese ! If she has fallen, is It not because
Russia fouud assistance, subsidies, and arms in Prussia?
And the army of Paskewitsth, trusting to that alliance and
obtaining from it additional force, has been enabled to enter
Warsaw, and not been forced to retreat. Could not an ac-
count have been demanded from Prussia of that petadious

neutrality ? Instead of looking for enemies to Russia, the
ambassador who endeavoured to give us Turkey for an ally,
' bee beib theallsd. But that is not the most serious reproach;
arms and amaranth refitted to Poland, as was the guaran.
tug for the loan dm Ailed to contract. If the Polish agents
are to bo believed, warm would have been done—Polish cou-
rage would not have bees extinguished. It is related that on
the 23d June. die/ French ministry made insidious promises
a Poised. It was only asked that she would not engage in
spiral bottle. The Osmond waited, and Poland fell. What
matters it ? Order reigns in Warsaw.' The Govern.
meot ought to lay before us the defensive state of France.
' Well, I will declare that our army is not what it ought
to be. Would you know what is the condition in which
• our most important frontiers at Besancon and Marseilles
are left ? We have only thtreeen regiments of infantry,
and four of cavalry." [Here a member mid, " But that
is something."] " Yes," continued M. Mauguin, " that
is something;•
but have you considered the extent of that
froatier—Besangon, Dijon, Lyons, Marseille,. Perpignan ?
and yet there are only seventeen regiments. This is said to
be something; but what are the effective numbers of these,
regiments ? Austria is but a short distance from Lyons or
Marseilles ; she might, therefore, easily cut off part of our'
provinces, and you would have nothing to oppose to her
marching 200,000 men into Prance. Piedmont has now
a nominal force of 100,000 men, which was but 80,000,
and the King has erected a loan. Austria might in this
direction send in upon us 160,000 men. You au, there.
tote, it is not aggressive war I demand, but only a ,cif.
ficient defence. In Italy and Spain in 1823 a party de.
clued that we should have no war, and yet those coun.
tries were invaded. The same has been renewed in Belgium.
Last year we had Italy, Poland, and Belgium for our
allies, but now we stand alone, while the English aria.
tocracy is endeavouring to foment plots against us. The
Government must at length awake, or we shall be forced to
take other means."—The Chamber was greatly agitated
after this speech.
The Minister for Foreign Affairs, in rising to reply, said;
it is not without deep emotion that I appear at this tribune;
If speak with grief of the disastersof Poland, I shall be
accused of being wanting to the truth ; and if I render an
account of facts with simplicity, I shall be charged with
dryness. I am about to lay Lefore you the documents and
the facts. Vague accusations are out of the question, and
we must have a decision of the Chamber. If Ministers are
culpable, you have the terrible right of impeachment; If
they are unskilful, the way to the Throne is open before you;
—pronounce. Last year, as at preint, France was divided
between two systems—peace and war. We chose peace,
and you will see whether we did well or not. The Revolu-
tion of July created a powerful sensation in Europe. In
Russia it was received with dissatisfaction, but this dissatis.
faction soon diminished.—(Hear !) Shortly after, the Revo.
lotion in Belgium broke out. The kingdom of the Nether-
lands Lad been set up against France, and fortresss bad
been erected there with the money of all the Powers.—
I speak of a time of adversity and of painful events,
which will not be renewed if France be prudent Nita.
doe]. No one has more respect than myself for France,
or knows her forces better. I have long served in
her army, and only quitted a military career when
there were no more enemies to combat. The Minister then
recapitulated the early events in Belgium and Poland, and
the first diplomatic relations of France with the divets States
of Europe. The language of the other governments was
firm and conciliatory. But the Government will never forget
that Poland was a Stare of three millions of men, without
ports, without mountains, and without means of defence.
Overtures, nevertheless, were made at St. Petersburgh. The
Emperor of Russia was made to feel that there were two
questions in that of Poland—one a Russian question, and
the other a European one. The Cabinet of St. Petersborgh
promised that the kingdom of Poland should be preserved.
This promise had been lately repeated. All the great
Powers of Europe are in accord upon this question.
Here General Sebastiani read the following despatches,
which prove that the Government has claimed the strict
execution of the Treaties of Vienna upon the kingdom of
Poland, and that in this respect the most positive assurances
have been given:by Russia. The Ant, dated St. Petersburgh,
Aug. 31, says—
" The Ambassador has already stated to our Excellency
with what moderation the Russian Cabinet bad viewed the
entrance of the French into Belgium. It was natural to see
the inhabitants of this capital express their pleasure at the
first news of the success obtained by the Dutch over the Bel.
en:iThis predilection of the hthabitants of Se. Peters-
t for an army commanded by the brother in law of the
Emperor is easily accounted for. The retreat of the Dutch
before your army increases the hope of removing by negoela.
-ties difficulties which might have become fatal to the peace
of Europe. Your Excellency must Nye already been ac-
quainted with the operadons of the Russian army related in
the annexed bulletins. Faithfid to the Jeanie/ono
which have been given me by his Majesty's Ministers, I
shall continue to claim the strict execution of the Treaties in
favour of Poland. The Duke de Mortemart bah received the
most positive promisee on this point, and, like him, I shall
always represent how much it will be in the interest of Russia
and that of justice to fulfil these promises religiously."
The following document is dated Sept. 2:
" The Chamber, in expressing in the name of France the
assurance that the nationality of Poland should be seemed to
that heroic people, intimates a wish which is founded on
the formal and reiterated promises of the Emperor. The
Duke of Mortemart has taken with him on this subject the
most positive assurances. In his conferences with the Em.
woe and M. de Nesselrode, he never expressed the least
desk of the promise being about to be realised. These pro-
mise, moreover, are guaranteed by that memorable expru-
sin, that the word of a Sovereign should be inviolable as
the decrees of Providence. (Cheers from the centres.)—
These ars our principles. In the meanwhile, I have had an
iterview with Al. de Neeseirode, to remind him of the as-
surances of the Prussian Government, and induce him to
use all his efforts in favour of the Poles, so as to effect their
independence as guaranteed by existing treaties. He con-
firms the repeated assurances, and causes the King to cond.
nue in his dispositions on this subject. He stated to me
that there was every reason to trust to them, at the Emperor
Nicholas had expressed his positive intention to concur with
Prussia and England, as interested powers in the measures
to be taken for the pacification of Poland."
You see, gentlemen," continued the Minister, "that the
policy of France was candid. The Government dial not stop
there, but ofibred its mediation. The answer given was, that
the language of pace must also be heard elsewhere. Appli-
cations were made to all the great Powers, but these cowl-
dered that the moment had not yet arrived. Let me be al-
lowed hers to mention an historical fact that is well known
to the Chamber. When In our war of 1792, the democratic
party of the United States demanded that we should be
supported by that country, Washington opposed it, and
would only occupy himself with his own country. This
opposition rendered him unpopular, and he died unpopular'
but his memory has been avenged by the suffrages of the
United States and the whole world (bear, hear). It has
been asserted that we promised to acknowledge Poland.
This is untrue. It has even been asserted that we counselled
Poland to abandon the offensive, and thus caused the brave
Polish army to lose the advantage. it had obtained. This
is equally false." To support these denials the Minister
read a report made to the Diet. " A Government," he ad-
ded, " cannot answer for the military faults of a foreign na-
tion for cheeks expaisseed on the banks of the Vitale. If
such was the responsibility of a Minister, I confess that I
would take are not to accept it." The Minister next sought
to prove that it was impossible to succour Poland. The
Baltic had no port, and the Black Sea could not be entered
without the consent of Turkey. The recall of AL Galli-
minot was conformable to the system pursued by the Ad-
ministration. " Our system," said be " was a syatwt
of peace. We thdught it. and we still think it, eantilant
with the true interests of France ; and our instructing to all
our Ambassadors have been io coofermity with it. Ow Am-
bassador in Turkey learned that a edimil
between Austria and France, and awn ho.
tween France and Russia. He immediately delimited a We to
the Divan, calling upon Turkey m take up sane and amigo
the affronts she bad sustained. Turkey, in alarm se the seas.
munication. the next day placed the note in the hoods edict
representatives of all the other powers. He had molten, it
must be confessed, to a lifeless body. The hematologist had
confessed that all political measures depended a tints.tints.
stances ; and ought not the Ambassador se hays pes
made his.
self acquainted with what it was in the power of the Ted
to do before he delivered his note 1' Thelma,
WAS dated ea the Alith ; on the 28th it was in the°llllhatedisel4
all the Ambassadors; and in the evening of that elsilt
sent off to each of their Cabinets. The French
went was soon made acquainted with it, but the Avabsassier
had sent two subsequent despatches, dated the_ de* and
31st, without making any mention of it. The FNMA Go-
vernment, therefore, treated it as la fable, sad denbtiog
that if it had actually existed, the Ambassador could
not have failed to inform them of it. In a few days
afterwards, however, they learned that it was real.
The recall of the Ambassador was not required
by any one of the Powers ; but France conceived that

bet ambassadors were bound to follow their instniet:r.4
God forbid that any attempt should be made to Lulli.:,
honour of a brave, enlightened, and experienced officer. II;
was deceived, and who might not be deceived when et „44
a distance ? This, however, was not a sufficient excii.e
to the Cabinet, which did that which it was their duty to
The minister then argued, that the acknowledgment of
land would have led to no favourable result. It wouhf
merely have compromised us without utility. The inter,
vention of Prussia in the affairs of Poland is complained id,
but an the same time it is asked why we did not intervene ?
Prussia maintained her neutrality, but only in preventing
succour being conveyed to the Poles across her territory.
(This speech was received with load and repeated cheers.)
Al. Matrount, on rising to reply, said that he heard
Deputy say, as be passed to the Tribune, " he wants to
excite a riot." He was astonished that any Member should
use such an expression, and not avow it openly [agitation!.
The Perinatal. of the Commie : We should hate been
glad if M. hlauguin bad brought forward on Saturday the
questions which he has now put ; for probably we should
have been spared the agitation prevailing in the capital
(violent interruption from the extremes). Allow me but a
few minutes allow. France and all &rope should hear
the defence as weU as the accusation. It may be seen that
France has done all that was in her power to do to in.
dulge her feelings in favour of Poland. I entreat the Cham-
ber to go through the whole of the accusations to-day. Be.
fore the cry of " Vire la Pologne !" every true citizen will
cry Vive k Rol " Vire la France !"

Several Alembev; immediately repeated " Vire le Roi!'
" Vive la France!"

M. 31avoing.—It has been said, that if these explana.
tions bad been required on Saturday, the disturbances would
not have taken place. I regret them extremely. No one
can blame more than I do those who go into the public places
to demand that justice which they ought only to sea
fur through the laws.
M. DUPIN.I can upon the hon. deputy to explain the
sense In which he uses the word justice.
31. Maw:stmt.—That word does not perhaps express
my meaning correctly. I meant to say that no one can blame
MOM than I do those who, by seditious cries in the public
places, demand that which they ought to seek only from
the Government. I know nothing that can do a greater in.
jury to the cause of the hevolution of July than public
riots, and perhaps there may be some truth in the accusa-
tion that they have been excited by certain authorities.
The TILESIDENT of the Couxem, with warmth re.
plied a When it is insinuated Cat riots are promened by
the Government, we in our turn have a right to demand
an explanation.
Al. Mangum I never assert a fact without being able
to prove it (prove, prove.) The Chamber shall have the
proof if it will order an inquiry. In several of these riots
the agency of the police has been traced (redoubled cries
of " Prove, prove !") The Honourable Member then en.
endeavoured to establish that the riots arose from the sp.
ton of the Ministry.
The Keeper of the Seals rose;st six o'clock, and replied to
the accusations of DI. Alauguin with considerable force and
spirit. He then commenced the question of the insurrec-
tions, and confined himself to showing that they all arose
from one cause. The orator read several letters, and some
papers of the society of the friends of the people, several num.
bars of a journal called Mara:, and some Carlist vases, all
Wet were the cause of the disturbed state of the mob. lie
argued that these facts clearly proved that the temedy lay in
the prompt and bold measure of the Chambers, in concert
with the Government. Now, therefore, was the time for the
Chambers boldly to declare their intention ; any delay and
uncertainty would prove fatal. (Cries from all directions,
To-morrow ! to.morrow !")
Lamarque, who was waiting an opportunity, rose
for the purpose of speaking, but the lateness of the hour
obliged them to adjourn to the morrow the conclusion of the
debate.

The approaches to the Chamber were much less
encumbered on Tuesday than they were yesterday.
The feeling of excitement in the streets and in
public places has evidently well-nigh exhausted
itself ; and it is to be hoped that returning tran-
quillity without will impart a corresponding calm to
the proceedings within the Chamber during the
adjourned debate announced for this morning.—
Long before 12 o'clock, the hour to which the
sitting was yesterday adjourned, the public gal-
leries have been filled with more than their
complement of company. As yesterday, the
Dey of Algiers has taken his seat in the tri-
bune reserved for the Corps Diplomatique. Al-
, though punctual to the hour of noon, his highness
has found the front seats occupied by a row of la-
dies connected with the different embassies ; but
without abandoning any place, they have contrived
to make way for the old man between two of them,
while his Dragoman, M. Jeannie, and his faithful
and inseparable Mustapha, are seated immediately
behind him. En attendant, the presence of the
Dey has afforded the topic of animated conversa-
tion among the groups of deputies assembled in
the middle of the Chamber, as well as along the
public galleries. The words " sugar," " cotton,"
"colonisation," are pronounced on the one side
with becoming emphasis and appropriate gesticula-
tion ; on the other, " England and war," " pesti-
lence and famine," from alt which I leave you to
draw your own conclusions. The lady on the right
of the Dey is the Principessa di Belkgera, the
celebrated conspiratrice Italienne.
After some discussion on the conduct of the
Na-
tional Guards, in consequence of the complaint of
two deputies, that they had been interrupted and
nearly rode over on leaving the Chamber yester-
day, the order of the day was called, and the de-
bate on foreign affairs resumed.

General LAYMIQUE, being called to the Ttibune, said
that the present French Goverment had merely continued
the system of the Holy Alliance, and animadverted on its
conduct towards Belgium, where they had raised a shadow of
a kingdom—a shadow of a King—who would do well, he
said, to have always his trunks ready packed, and a steam.
boat in attendance at Antwerp, to sail when it would please
the Prince of Orange to invade the country. He then asked,
what had the interference of France in the affairs of Belgium
produced ? You have, he said, shamefully evacuated its ter-
ritory, without even overturning the lion on the monument
of Waterloo—without assisting at the demolition of the
strong place; leaving our interests at the mercy of the
London Conference and oar enemies. General Lemarque
then examined the collections of the Ministry for not assist-
ing Poland. According to him, it was not necessary for the
French armies to cross the 400 leagues that separate France
from Poland ; nor for the fleets of Ranee to appear in the
Baltic or the Black Sea. France should have seam ener-
getically to Prussia, as she did in the coos of Belgium, to
which that country bald by family ties, ma Poland would
have been saved. He then blamed the Govenument for not
following up the suggestions of General Guilltweinot relative
to Turkey. since the old hatred existing between the Turks
and the Russians would have restored life to that esepse, and
the former would now be la the Ukraine. He then took to
pieces M. Sebastianes speech. "If you behave well,"
said the latter, " you shall not be invaded." But what
is Areopagus. I ask, to decide whether we behave right or
wrests tlite Kings of Romp, no doubt ; and these will.
of caws% decide that woad as behave well in Jsly 100.
The Oweeral afterwards yssmend salary oweeidieider on
the peelbility of an lassies es the poet of hurls and
Austria, the hater ai when, ha hal mesa hi bow had
IMMO ersa—end wet alp AM, as dee Minima; bad
ammeil—.witbin a few haws' emit et the hoods Senders.
He denied that France was at this inseam preperad to resist
an invasion ; the army cos net on the respectable footin.,
it might be, and the amiable National Guard. whirl;
would require at Wit sin imam so train, were not even
called out. He censinied by hawing of the Ministry to
ems Inward with .Medal derimusta, and not mere words,
to show that they had dose dale duty to the country.
M. Mien, the yereger, anewsod the arguments ofGc-
weal Lsnweque eel delhadei the exteeeal policy of the
Government. Hs sea a rape of the proceedings of
the great Mere with renew resisted she pre-
""seslTlMents of M. Br SS te Only of the troops
of A into the Mates the Church, and contended that
Frames weld es nab SS a war without the assurance--
the cordtude—et leernlag the sea swims doyen. Hz
acknowledged his apywalmoion of die perilous sonsequenco
to Prance which war asset cent' in its train. la alluding
to the last Spealsh inslaisa, M. niers fell into 3 dim