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WHITBREAD then gave notice, that at a
proper tim: he fhould move, that the Houfe do attend
the trial as a Committee of the whole Houfe.
WAYS •ND MkANS.
• •Mr. ROSE, in allurin to lonic obfervations he
had made on a former night, refpeaing the intention
announced by the Noble Lord oppofite to him (Lord
Henry Petty), for bringing forward the Ways and
Meanson Friday next, and before the Military DN.
butes for the year were before the Haute, rote now
again to Rate, as the more mature refult of a fuller
coaftderation of the fubjed, that upon the deepeft
yefesteches he had been fince able to make, he found
there was no Matinee fince the Revolution of bring-
ing forward the Ways and Means for the year, be-
fore all the Eftimates of the Public Services of the
year one fairly before the Houle. This, therefore,
mutt afford a very (hong ground of objettion to the
Noble Lord's proceeding in the manner be propofed.
v.—He was aware, that the Supply wanted was
114,415,c001. toward: which the War Taxes would
amount to fourteen millions ; a great part he was
alto aware was covered by Loans already voted,
which, together with thofe propofed to be railed,
would amount to eighteen millions, and this fury,
would very greatly exceed the Supply. Therefore,
until the Haute fhould be in pc &Two of the military
and other eftimates crmrletely for the year, they
could not know for what r tarok fn large an exceed.
ling was intended. An Honnisrable Gentleman upon
the former occaficin when he (Mr Role) had men-
tioned this fubjea (Mr. Vanfittart). had raid, that
the Noble Lord might propefe only a part of his
Ways and Means, and leave the reit for a future op-
portunity, as had been done before ; but this Mr.
Role denied to have occurred in the inflance flitted ;
and the difficulty was Inch an one as he could not fee
kb* the Houle was to get over, without refitting the
Ciopofition of the Noble Lord, until all the eflimates
ould be produced.
•. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER'lsufwerech, it was his only with to put the Houle
fully in poffeffion of the objeas of public expenee,
and the Ways and Means Ly which he prirofed to
them ; and to give the Houfe an opportunity
of fully confidering them before he fhould call for
their final deciflon, that he thould propose only a part
of the Ways and Means in the &It intianee.
Mr. HUSKISSON thought it was highly necef-
fary the public dmuld be apprifed by the Noble Lord,
as to the manner in which he meant to bring forward
his Loans as k was an objc& of molt material intereft
to thofe who thotild become purchafers to be after-
gaited upon that point.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
anfwered, that if the Contradicts themfclves were
perfedly fatisfied upon this head, it was matter of
not very prefling importance whether or not the Ho-
atturable Gentleman's cur Milt/ was to be fatisfied at
this moment.
There being no motion before the Houfe, the
Speaker put an end to Nit converfation.
ORDNANCE.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved the order of the day for the Houle to resolve
into a Committee on the Bill for the better regulation'
of the office of Treafurer bf the Ordnance. The order
being read, 1
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
**Wised the objals cf this Bill ; fiat, that the
Hoare might have under its view a corrat re-
gulation, its the mode of expenditure for facts fums
of the public money as it &mild think proper,
to vote for this branch of the public fervice :
and, fecondly, for ((curing the refponfibility of the
public offices charged with the difburfement of fuch
expenditure ; and to prevent, as far as poffible, the
32fifapplication of money entrulled to his charge.-.lf
the Bill, in its prefent form, thould .be liable to any
oblations, he was ready to attend to the fuggefiions
of Gentlemen, and to avail himfelf of their aflill.
since, fo far as he thought really conducive to the
objelts of the Bill; and ha fhould have no objalion,
if neceffary, to recommit the bill for a future day.
The Hoofe having refolved into a Committee,
Mr. POLE Paid, he bad a number of fuggeltions
to propofe for the adoption of the Committee in
amendment of this Bill, which was utterly inade-
quate to the porpofes for which it was avowed.—
Molt of thole fuggeltioas had the approbation of the
Noble Lord himfelf, upon whom he had felt it his
duty to wait, and to mention his objettions to the
Bill ; for it was his objeft, really and lincerely, to
communicate fuels fuggellioos to the Noble Lord as
had appeared to him from experience abfolutely ne-
ceffary to give died to the objeds of a Bill, the
principle of which he very much approved. Mr.
Pole now entered into a long and technical detail of
the official routine in the department cf the Tree-
finer of the Ordnance, through which monies had
hitherto been iffued, and under which the Treafurer
mot only was enabled, but ufnally, and he believed
uniformly, did make ufe of large balances of the
public money remaining at his difpofal, owing to his
being enabled to draw for a full quarter's. amount of
the Chief expenditure, a quarter of a year before it
was ultimately payable to the claimants. Having
fuggetled an arrangement by which this application)
might in future be completely prevented, he &cued '
• the impoilihility of difburfing, by charts on the Bank,'
' very large fums of money which were payable weekly
and individually to working gunfmilh,, armourers,
and other labourers io the Tower, fur which purpofe
l it would be abfolutely neceffary that fume balance
tans) remain in the Treafurer's hands But one very
principal omiffion he remarked in the Bill was, that, I
although Soo,oool. were voted for Ordnance Services
io Ireland, the word Ireland never to much as once'
appeared in the Bill. To remove these leveret de-
Oats, he read the amendment which he propofed, and
*rongly recommended that no alteration with refpal
to Ireland might take place, as he underflood was I
intended, in the Ordnance klaablifhment of that coon-'
try, which he could affurc the Committee, and the
Noble Lor4, was eftablilhed on a molt corral and
iffatual fyllens 0; economy, for the advantage of the
public fervice : he laid, that a plan of regulation,
Imilar to the prefent Bill, was in the contemplation
011ie Noble Lord late at the head of the Ordnance.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ac-
knowledged the attention paid by the Hon. Gentle-
-111.0 upon a fubjed to which he was fo eminently
competent, and approved the amendment he lug-
gefted. But with refpat to Ireland, the only reafon
why nothing was mentioned in the Bill with regard
to it was, that aa ausagdiscat was is cumulation,