Star.
London, England, 1809-06-08 00:00:00

MANCHESTER WATER WORKS.

0e the motion for a third reading of this Bill, some conversa-
tion arose respecting the degree in which it migkf aiTect one of the
standing orders of the House. The result of the conversation
was, that the Bill should be recommitted.
Several Bills were brought up from the Commons and c. ad a
first time.

CRUELTY TOWARDS ANIMALS.
This Bill being recommitted,
Lord ERSKINE propos( d some further amendments, in which
be included a wider enumeration of animals than he bad at first
proposed; but finally limited its operations to beasts of draught
or burden.
After a few observations from Lord RIDISDALZ, the amend-
nients were agreed to.
. TOE LOAN INTEREST BILL.
On the question for the third reading of this Bill,
Lord SIDMOUTH rose, and recalling to the re-
collection of their Lordships the system of finance
which he had adopted at the time when he had the
honour to preside over that department, proceeded to
contend that the financial prosperity of the country
essentially rested upon that plan, the object of which
was, that the revenue and expenditure should meet
and square with each other. The consequence of the pre-
sent measure must be, that the revenue must decrease
in proportion as the expenditure augmented, and as
such a system must be pregnant with ruin to this
country, it must have his decided and unqualified
disapprobation.
Lord LIVERPOOL, in reply to Loid Viscount
Sidmouth, contended that the system pursued by Mi-
nisters was the best that could be devised to meet the

exigencies of the present moment. It was one which
would prevent the accumulation of taxes upon the
people until that period arrived, when it was likely
they might be relieved from its immediate pressure,
which the unavoidable demands of the war now im-
periously called for. The only question was, whether
we were to look to a long protracted war, on a smaller
scale of operations ? or whether a greater effort should
be made to aim at its nearer termination, by larger
sacrifices and more extensive exertions ? Circumstan-
ces as they might arise must terminate the preference
to either system.
Lord GRENVILLE, in a very long speech, ex-
patiated on the financial system adopted by himself
when in power, contrasting it with that which the
present Administration pursued. It was now pro-
posed to their Lordships to add an entire million to
the permanent taxes, or to perpetuate to that amount
the war taxes now imposed on the country. This
most extraordinary and burden.-ome measure was in-
troduced and nearly carried through their Lordships'
House, without one word from Ministers in any of
its stages to explain its necessity ; so that Ministers
shewed a contempt for that House equal to the indif-
ference they betrayed for the stifferings.of the people.
This was a most important measure ; and the moment
when it was proposed a most critical one. He must
again repeat, what he had urged on so many occasions,
that the crisis in which we were placed urgently in-
culcated the strictest economy, and admonished us
most feelingly to husband our resources for the mo-
ment when the stress of the struggle must be borne
by the spirit, the courage, and the resources of the
country in which we
Lord HARROWBY supported the Bill. He
maintained that it must be attended both with imme-
diate and future advantage. It was attended with
good at the moment, in as much as it prepared the
people to pay the taxes with which they were at pre.
sent buithened. It must be attended with advantages
in future, by affording Ministers an opportunity of
judging of the best means of making the existing
taxes most effectual.
Lord GRENVILLE explained, He declared his
opinion that our system, in the present state of affairs,
was one of husbanding and defence. We had nothing
to do with sending an army to the Continent. That
he might not be misunderstood, he expressly stated
that our Government ought not to have sent an army
to Spain. Such had always been his opinion. The
Noble Lord asked, why did he not tell this sooner ?
He did, on the first day of the present Session explain
these to be his sentiments, and complain that Minis-
ters by not consulting Parliament on the subject dur-
ing the last Session, had not afforded him an earlier
opportunity of stating what his opinion was. If
Spain could not defend themselves, in his judgment,
any army we could send into the Peninsula would be
of no avail. All that we had a right to do was to
provide them as far as was in our power with arms,
clothes, and ammunition. He begged also to state
as a proof of the increase of our expenditure, that the
single article of transports had encreased from mil-
lions to 3' millions.
The Earl of Liverpool, Lord Sidmouth, and Lord
Grenville again explained ; after which, the Bill was
read a third time and passed.
SUITOIts BILL IN SCOTLAND.
After a few words from the Lord Chancellor and
Lord Grenville, on the mode or proceeding in the
Bill for the Relief of Suitors in the Court of Session
in Scotland, whether the object might be best accom-
plished by the Bill now before the House, or by an
instruction to the Commissioners for the improvement
of the Administration of Justice in Scotland, to pro.
vide for the same by an Act of Seders& ? the Bill was
read a second time, and ordered to be committed.
The other Bills on the table were forwarded.
Adjourned at half-past 11 o'clock till this day.

HOUK! OF COMMONS.
A message from the Lords announced their Lot:Ships assent
to the Irish Militia Pay 13iU,Local Militia (without amendment)
and several private Bills.
The third reading of the Prize. Monty Bill was deferred til:
to-morrow.
Lord STOfFIDEtD reported from the Bar,that his Majest•
had been wai d upon with the Address of the House for a Mu
flumes)/ to Captain Hardinge, and that his Majesty had be.
g .0a ;iy pleased to t.ivt.• order in con!'orrnity thereto.
bile.l.ooKliAlt I prtseated a Petition from certain Own
of stage Coaches *gains,. the Bill now pending in Parliament (•-•
John Sinclair's) for regula,ing the number of Outside Passenger.
on stag( Coaches, and praying to be heard by Counsel agaiiist the
Bill. The Petition was lald'un the table till the Report on the
gill ahould be received.