Star.
London, England, 1831-07-22 00:00:00

NAVAL INTELLIGENCE.

FALMOUTH, JOLT 19.—Wind W. N.W. Arrived yes-
terday the Falcon, Clown, and Pantaloon, (yachts) from
cruising. Passed the Port, the George Canning, Barnet,
from Rio de Janeiro, for London. Sailed the Mars,
Bristowe, for Bremen, sod the Tiphys, Beaumel, foe
Jersey.
This da arrived the East India ship, Elsa. Sutton, from
' London for Calcutta; the Diligence, cutter, Reed, from •
cruise •' and His Majesty's Packet, Magnet, Porteous, from
Lisboa, sailed on the 10th inst. with mails. His Majesty's
Ketch, Vigilant, and His Majesty's Frigate Briton, arrived
an the 9th from England, the former with a mail ; 13th lat.
39. 66. exchanged with His Majesty's Packet,
Opossam. Another Zesh squadron had arrived in the
Tagus, consisting of three line of battle ships, two
frigates, one corvette, and throe brigs, all of which had
anchored in Cukeys Bay, under one of the forts ; 8 dig of
tripe was dispatched from them on the 9th instant, and the
answer was to be returned oo the 10th, The French admiral,
availing himself of the opportunity, communicated to the
foreign consulates in Lisbon, that he was ordered bellise that
port to demand satisfaction, in the name of his guillemot,
which, if not acceded to immediately, hostilities wouil si
maws. So far the news from Lisboa is of on hapsirllo6lll6.,
tun, and no doubt is now artertalndhat that she arlathttlf
two Or three of the next ppaacckets will yield intelligence stile
complete overthrow and dethronement of the tyrant=
and of the voice of the Portuguese nation being
unanimous in proclaiming their legitimate young Queen
Donna Maria 11.
Off this port, and steering to the westward, the squadron
under the command of Sir Edward Codrington, K.C.B.—
This morning Lord Yarborough's fine yacht the Falcon, got
under way, and proceeded to join the squadron.
Fatmourtr, JuLv 17.—svia N.N.—Passed the Port
the Elizabeth, Edgar, in 20 days, from Pictou, foe Fowey ;
and the Majestic, Doctor, from Gallipoly, in 60 days. for
London. Arrived the Sisters, Career, from Gallipoly, in 96
days, for orders ; the French sloop Natalie, Guillet, In eight
days, from Noirmontler g his Majesty's packet Hope, Lieut.
Wright, from Carthagens, May 26, Jamaica, June 7th, and
Crooked Island, June 16th. May 31, found at Jamaica his
Majesty's packet Emulous, which sailed on the Ist June for
Carthagena ; also arrived his Majesty's packet Tyrian,
Lieut. Dwyer, from Bermuda, 16th June, and Halifax,
29th June, both with mails: they bring no news of the
lea.t importance. Sailed his Majesty's steamer Fury, Maur,
for Holyhead; and the Diligence cutter, Reed, an a cruise.
The ship Aldrymbt, Wells, sailed last evening for St.
John's, New Brunswick.
_ _

The Channel Sect is now within a few miles to the east-
ward of this port, and steering to the westward.
Yasstowra, JOLT 20.—Arrived from lisinbro, with oil
cake, Re. the Liney, William Hobart; Sally, Thos. Bow.
man, from Memel, with timber and deals, having performed
quarantine in Whitbooth Roads • and from Bremen, with
oak bark, the Vegesack. of Bremen.—Sailed the Content,
Captain Patterson, for St. Petersburg!, ; the Two Brothers,
from St. Petenbutgb, remain for orders. Passed Beck Sands
several sail of merchantmen, from Baltic.—Wind variable.

NARRATIVE OF A LOVE SICK PROCTOR.'

DUBLIN, July 20.—This was an action brought
by Esther Wilde against John Aldred, for tbe se-
duction of her daughter. The damages were laid
at 10001.

Mr. Martley,for the plaintiff, addressed the Jury
at considerable length and with great ability, ob-
serving that this was a crime of rare occurrence in
this kingdom, certainly almost unknown in the
county he had the honour to address then. The
parties in this case were of an equal rank in life.
There was nothing which could militate against
the character of the lady until she met with him,
I and when it was considered that the object of his
seduction was quite his equal, the crime com-
mitted would appear of still greater magnitude.
The defendant, in this case, effected his base
purpose while her family was at church, after which
shestill entertained a notion he would become her hus-
band ; letters would be read to prove all this, and
the most .creditable witnesses produced to prove
his long intimacy with the family ; and it
would be for the jury to find the amount of com-
pensation. not only for the loss of service of the
young lady, but also they were bound to take into
consideration the wounded feelings of the parent.
Mr. Martley cited several authorities to prove that
it did not militate against the case, that the lady had
been more than thirty ; that objection had been
overruled by Lord Eldon, and the most eminent
and distinguished lawyers of the age. The crime
had been of rare occurrence, and it was for that
reason they should, in a moral point of view,
punish the perpetrators of the offence, which if
'slightly passed over, would be calcalated to de-
,preve the mindosif yowtband demoralize society.
The first witness called upon, was Martha
"Wilde, a young lady, apparently about thirty-six
years of age. She spoke very low, and appeared
to feel with • great propriety eheodelieacy of ber
situation. She deposed to the facts♦ of the case,

as stated by Mr. Martly. Several letters from the
defendant to her were then read.
Cross-examined by Mr. Arabin—She stated that
she was introduced to the defendant in 1828, by
her brother; be paid his addresses to her in the
meat formal manner, and wrote her several Betters
sabsequently, his attentions were very marked, and
i his letters be proposed to marry her sum time
in December in that year, after which heAlbneted
her to burn the letters ; saw him in March, 11130,
in her mother's house; was sitting with himbithe
parlour; it was evening; she was alone; alanbad
no ides of his intention ; he shut thekdoriaz
threw her on. a chair, aldsacciimplished
! Ibr
farce; he held her arms, and pat her apron. in
Ilona to prevent her making a noise ; cannot
Oil how long he remained, for she fainted ; after
bar recovery he remained for half an hour ; he told
her if she mentioned the transaction to any person,
it would cost him his life. Several letters and va-
lentines were read and acknowledged by witness
la be her handwriting. We select the following :
DIAL Ma. ALaZD,—I hope that you will mune to see
me this morning, as 1 want to see you pardcularly. Yon
mod not rewind my mother, as she did not know when you
went last night. se she was asleep. Ido not like to be two
days without seeing you, and I hope that you have the same
Toped for me; do come to see me to-menu? m I will be
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breakfast, early as you like; I will be in the parlour all the day
fast, or I will meet you any place if you send ma i
word, but do not let to-morrow pass without seeing ma, or
wish that you would send me word when; but if not send I
me word by Mr. Rcdy when you will come. Our ear one
to Dublin to-morrow night, soil you have sorbing to sesi
you will have it ready; do not disappoint me of seeing pa
sometime to-morrow, and send me word if you can elms,
and if you cannot come, send me wad if you have any no.
MY
you's, M. WYLDZ.
Y Dean Joint—l hope if you got this in tines that
you will come here this evening. Ben will be glad to sos
you, and I need not tell you how happy I will be ; them Is
no one here less ourselves ; if then is anything to prevent
you, you will send me word, and you will write to me any
way, and tell me when I will see you, or where; I wish
you would came here, but I Will meet you any evening at
the old plow. Bat, my love, do not disappoint me, as you
know bow much I imfr when lam loag without eosin
yon; I hope that you forgive all that displeased you in
me, and that you will write to me; and, my dear, let your
letter be kind, if it is even shun ; do not forget what I said
at the conclusion of it. Your's,
Mr. Aired. MARTHA WYLDE.
She received the following letter from him a few
days after :
"My dear Martha—l received your letter. I was greatly
surprised at your sudden departure—l was going up yester-
day evening when I hard you were gene, it was a great dis-
appointment to me, you can't think bow openly I am when
you me not in the country; I will be thinking of you until
you return again. What is your reason for telling use not
to go to Mr. Tyrrell so often, even you know I was not
there since the evening I speot there with you until WM-.
needay morning last, when I received a kinder reception
,old them I expected—l almost teepee every thing that was
use, but you know nothing an make me forget yet.--
pa are too much hemmed is my mind to forget you,
yineknifery when I know the regard you have ler me. If
you have any opportunity, write to me or send by peel I
and believe me your truly. Joss MAID.
" Mich September, ISO."
He came to see her the day after the receipt of
this letter ; she was very weak for a few days after
he visited her very frequently afterwards, and was
equally attentive to her ; the second act took place
ih the same place, while the family were in the
house ; became pregnant, and was afterwards deli-
vered of a child in October following ; the birth of
the child was premature; went in the month et
August, 1830, to defendant's house ; was mom-
puttied then by Catherine Ash, her servant; die
was then present, and she was almost in alguli it
distraction at the time.
Several letters were next read, from whit* we
select the following :
" Dear Martha—Your last letter jive me great mmlhet.
After I received your lint I was in Dublin, but was afraid
to call to see you, thinking your language tome woad be
similar to your letter; but I dm% blame you If there was
any thing improper in the letter I enelesed to yes. if there
was I am innocent of it ; the reason I sent it to you, I did
not wish to leave It at the Mount, thinking there was some-
thing in it that you would not wish any penes would know #
I am sure you have a better opinion of no than to think I
would be aecoreary to any thing that would make yen uneasy.
I spent Saturday night at the Mount with Mr. Wilds, be
was as friendly with me as ever I met him In my life; I
[did not leave him until eleven o'clock; Mts. Wilde spoke to
:I:l4but I think she was more distant than usual any be its
01natisis I 1 thought the day she came into the when
I saver could go up on the Mont; although you
was, distant, my mind is still on you; I bops you don't
forget me, and don't Lave so bad an opinion of me as you
have; you ought to know me better than to think I would
betray your confidence in any, manner. I suppose yhet will
coon come to the country. lem sorry I did not all to see
you when I was in town; don't blame your letter; it burled
me very much, but we must forgive one another, and not
ever spin fall out. I hope you will forget all when low
yew. And believe me to be, yews, whilst life/mains,
Joss Amino."

It was in 1828 she became acquainted with de-
fendant; he was a tithe proctor; it was his only
occupation; she believes be has since lost the
situation; he first professed a feeling for her;
never bad the pleasant sensation for any one be-
fore; she wrote him a good many letters; her
letters were directed to her while from home; she
does not suppose she wrote one hundred letters.—
Here Mr. Harrison, agent for the defendant, ex-
hibited a bag of letters, at which the counsel for
plaintiff started with astonishment; she frequently
indulged in the pleasure of writing poetry. Seve-
ral letters and valentines were read and acknow-
ledged by witness to be her handwriting. We se-
lect the following :
" My dear John—l suppose that than who low so wash
as w o do, are not to have an easy mind one hour. I was so
happy last night, knowing it would not laid I hops that
you are not angry with met you must net, it was twelve
o'clock when we left this—bow did yes get howls ? I was
sorry that you would not tams with as—did you get ray
wet 1 Are you vest with me P Indeed, my love, if you
would let me call you so, yea had se eight, for if I thought
you would have come I wadi ham wailed; yea knew
that you often promised as fait4fulty, and did net maw ; so
when you read this if you lave any unkind Wigs to me, 11
hope that you will dismiss then, sad do est stay as hog
angry with ow asps did about Oho partow; my sober when
she saw it so wee, was sorry Idle Ilia MA wait ; sad hesisid rate
tell you so when I saw you, that esly ors wow olsh do mold
not hays gone ae moot. I hope shoves did net apewilliedey
with the firrells,for you must bow 1 deed Mks Tyesolljbe
whoa she on ay so much of you. I *_set haw whet she
may say of tee do not Wadi Ur. I wil net mind whit toy
says of yes, and you must keep year weed, that yes We
not neglect me. Will yea O.IIIC hoe in the oseeeleg eat

`teis was aiialiace- lainr.
ulfiria. pro—mTseitafil
not very young, could not swear that she is not
forty : she understood that Mr. Aired was upwards
of forty : the first act took place in the parlour
forcibly; did not mention the circumstance to her
family till the following August, although the act
took place in October, 1829 ; witness has a bower
in her garden ; never was there on a moonlight
night with the defendant ; mentioned the circum-
stance first to her sister; she could not have con-
cealed it any longer ; she would have sooner men-
tioned the circumstance, but he continued pro-
mising to marry her; her mother is not in the
calico business above eleven months ; her mother
failed in Dublin, and cams to reside in the coun-
try ; cannot tell whether ber brother is carrying on
business or not; she generally keeps her room.
James Boardman examined by Mr. Manley—ls
brother-in-law to defendant ; recollects that it was
he introduced defendant to Miss Wilde ; he ima-
gines defendant is at least forty years of age ; saw
bim in company with Miss Wilde; afterwards did
not see more than ordinary attentions which occur
between ladies and gentlemen ; knows Mrs. Wilde
to have educated her family religiously and de-
cently. Cross-examined by Mr. Clarke—Mrs.
Wilde has several children • Miss Wilde is the
iyoungest; knows that defendant is not now a
proctor; cannot tell what property be is pos-
sessed of.

Mr. Clarke addressed the jury for the defendant,
and stated his disappointment in not seeing a young
lady of great personal beauty exhibited to his as-
tonished view, from the glowing and pathetic pic-
ture drawn of her by his learned friend Mr. Manley;
however, indeed, he was not much disappointed
when he saw this victim of love. He was certain
that the gentlemen of the jury would agree with
him, that this young lady had other objects in view
by the letters she bad written. The gentlemen of
'the jury should recollect that the first introduction
of plaintiff's family took place from the nature of
the situation which be held, that of the tithe proctor
of the parish, an intimacy was the consequence,
and what followed, why, she was perpetually tor-
menting him with letters, and when he would state
to the jury that his bag contained 140 love-letters
from this fascinating dear young lady of forty,
who could not say that she was a love-sick lady,
and when he would read the following valentine to
the court, he would venture to assert that the de-
fendant must be as cold as a stone, if he were not
roused from his unfeeling apathy by the tender
sentiments which it contained :
Dearest Abed ! how I love thee,
More than these few lines an tell;
Yea, love thee, friendly love thee,
None can love thee half so welL
What though prudence Area forbids use
Such afia to expreeei
Cold hearts may obey her ktates. •
Moe impels me to transgress.
For the dsst and only action
Of my life that else an biome, -
And to say • km pm/ad=
Surely east be a dime.
Therefore, time thy enideed s
I neer dld se odd
Om whom long simened=et
Proves me peados' in bin eyes.
And in Hymen's sweet amides,
With no other will bejebtliS
You have plied antime psemdss
Of the writer's heart mod Ida
Ds assured she loves yea andlyt.
Loves no earthly Mead M i
Loess this, loves dos most sinsirely,,
Mere than mortal wen Inn MIL

The reading of this document produced consi-
derable laughter.
Mr. Clarke commented on the terms contained
in the letters, and maintained that they bore every
curious and mysterious appearance. It had been
fully proved in evidence that the man had been
very poor, and it only remained for him to state to
the jury, that if they conceived her at all entitled
to damages, he hoped they would be moderate, as
his client was totally incompetent to pay damages
to any considerable amount. The jury brought in
a verdict of damages to the amount of 1001. and
sixpence costs.
&aut.—Friday last an occurrence took place
in the parish of Boharm, of the most melancholy
nature. About ten o'clock on the evening of that
day, it being then twilight, James Reid, tailor,
thought be beard the screech of a partridge, and
accordingly took his gun. He had not gone any
distance from his own house when he espied two
oojects near a plantation, which appeared to him to
be two deer. He accordingly placed himself either
in a stooping or ell-fours position, and levelled his
piece and fired. Immediately on the report of the
gun be heard a wild sort of scream, from which he
inferred that one of the deer must be wounded.
He rushed to the spot, when, to his utter horror,
he beheld two men, his nearest neighbours, lying
covered with blood. John Taylor, the name of the
one, after the arrival of the unfortunate man, made
~,,r2tianeisa with both his hands, and instantly
bb Inst. The other person, of the saw
of liorrioon, was on the ground in dreadful agony.
happened on examination that the ball had en-
tered above the arm-pit of Taylor, whence it passed
in an obligee direction until it cause out at the left
aide of his neck, Morrison lingered until Sunday
morning, when he expired.

produced. It took care to state that
an inheritance, but that inheritance
been declared before the forfeiture
entering into the question of honours'
same course as property, there was this
between the case of Gordon and Parke
present; that in the present, as he
the charter granting the honours was
ble. After some further remarks respecting
statute of 1685, which bad been so often referred
to in the course of the case, the noble -
lord said, that the case was of so much
that he entirely concurred in the propriety
course pointed out, of submitting the
upon it for the opinions of the judges.
further consideration was then adjourned.
LOW) CIi•IICELLOR then quitted the
the Court of Chancery.
1111811 REPRESENTATIVE PEER:
was offered at the bar (in addition to ,
lion of the Marquis of Bristol, who was
tare the Committee) in support of the "
grave's claim to vote for the Represeni
of Ireland ; at the termination of whir
mittee decided that the claim had been
established.

THE SLANE PEERAOE..-.012 this
called, the Attorney-General addressed
mittee to this effect:—" My Lords,
there is no Counsel in attendance in
claim, but I have to request your Lordships
pleased to listen to what I am about to at
the year 1827, when Sir Charles Wetherell was
Attorney-General, a petition came before him
from Mr. James Fleming, claiming the Peerage
in question. Sir Charles Wetherell proceeded to
examine witnesses, but before he had made hid
flood he went out of office. Sir James Scarlen,
who succeeded to the office of A ttornev-Generul,
bad a petition referred' to him from Mr. Georle
Bryan, who also claimed the right of the Peerlo
of Slane. No notice was given to Sir James
Scarlett that a petition from another gent:e-
men had been laid before his learned prede-
cessor, and Sir James Scarlett made his le-
port, which report was referred by his Ma-
jesty to the House of Lords, and evidence was
given before a Commune of I', ivi:eges in
support of that claim. In the mean title, Mr.
James Fleming followed up his claim by collect-
ing evidence, and went abroad to obtain more, in
order to proceed with that inquiry which was began
before Sir Charles Wetherell. 1 am told at the Home
Office that the Attorney-General in office proceeds
with the claim which his learned predecessor has
commenced, but your lordship will perceive that I ant
placed in a difficulty in making a report on the
first claimant's petition. I considered also that I
should be placing your Lordships in a difficulty it I
did so, inasmuch as there would be two inquiries
going on at the same time, and both under the
same authority, which might lead to the incon-
venience of both parties. But, my Lords, I
think it right to state that I understand Sir
Charles Wetherell,on the case which was presented
before him, bad made up his mind in favour of
that claimant, although he had not gone so far as
to make up his report. Now, what I should hum-
bly suggest is, whether Mr. George Bryan might
not be beard against the claim of Mr. Fleming
But as Mr. Bryan's Counsel is not here there is
a difficulty in making such an application. I
ought to add that Mr. Fleming hopes that the
Crown will furnish information on the subject
which may bo under its control. However, as
I have before observed, under the peculiar circum-
stances of the case, I am placed in some difficulty,
and your Lordships are also placed in some diffi-
culty which of the claims should go on. The Earl
of Shaftesbury (the chairman of the Committee)
said that the only course which be could now sug-
gest was, that the further consideration of the case
should be adjourned. The Attorney General.—
Am I not to hope for some directions from your
Lordships respecting these inquiries ? Th. Earl
of Shaftesbury—l would rather not give an opinion
but leave it to the decision of the noble and learned
lord when he returns to the House. In the mean
time, let the case stand over to this day se'nnight.
—The further consideration was then postponed to
the time specified.

- fez
We learn that his Grace the Duke of Marlbo-
rough, in imitation of the Duke of Newcastle and
other worthy borough patrons, is also determined
to do what he will with his own, and has accord-
ingly sent messages to Mr. Wilkes, a respectable
coach-proprietor at Woodstock—to Mr. Palmer,
the principal surgeon there—and to Mr. Messrs,
the glove manufacturer to his Majesty—forbidding•
them or their families from ever again entering
Blenheim Park, which is open to all the other ft--
habitants of the town; the reason assigned beiLg,
that the three gentlemen gamed took •.a very pm-
=inset part in promoting the election of the
independent candidate, Mr. Buckingham, ag:Aast
his Glace's son, Lard Charles Spencer CLerc►.u,.
and his other nominee, Lord iltoratest !
The damp less by the menu ea Sonesy in
Essex is incalculable. One. kens et
.Braintroe
was throws does by it; ad at Writde several
persons were Week, and some were killed.

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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT,
HOUSE .LORDS-JULY 21.

The Marquis of THOMOND presented a petition from
Colic. against the removal of the naval station from Cork
Harbour.
The Bishop °IC LOUCESTER presented a petition from
the inhabhante of S'oetbbridge, Lear 'f onbridge Wells, pray.
i; for an alteration of the Beer Act.
Mr. FOLEY, and others. from the Commons, brought up
several Bills, which were read the first time.
'[he Assessed Taxes Composition Bill, and the Forest of
D:an Bill, were read the third time, and passed.
rtraenueetne DEBTOSS' BILL.
Lord WYNFORD, having an amendment to iniroduce
by way of rider. upon the third reading of this bill, was de-
•i,1,116 of die: barging the order for the third reading, which
seesel for th4s day, to fix it for Tuesday next.
Lord PLUNK ETT repented the objection to the bill
which he ::lade on a former day. It was bard, lie staid, that
person. ;nine, abroad without tiny Liteniion to defraud their
ertditers, should, by remaining ni,,01.1, become fable to all
tile c :sequences of the bankrupt laver. A person out of
the eetintry unsold have no notice but that which might be
1: f; .t his last plee of re•iience, and if he did not return
w tin a given time, he became liable to punishment. The
punishmem of a bankrupt for trot swearing under his com-
mission was formerly capital, but at present it was tram-
seortatien. Tale was a serious consideration when the
peaty male bankrupt was out of the country, and perhaps
iirable to return. When the bill came on again for discus.
slim, be should give his opinion more at large.
The Earl of ELDON said, no person in the house had
less feeling in fueour of the bill than he had. It required a
great deal of consideration before it could pass.
Lord WYN FORD said he should be ready to attend
to the suggestions of the noble and learned lords whets
the subject came again under discussion. Ile then moved
to discharge the order for the third rending aid named
Thursday next.
TITHE CO3tPOsITIOX RILL.
she Archbishop of CANTERBURY moved the Order
of the Day for going into a Committee on the bill to fa-
dilute payment of tithes. ,
Lord TSYNHAM said the right rev. prelate's bill re-
quired much amendmeot and consideration. It would be
inoperative in its then shape. An immense weight was !
cast on the owners of landed property. He should not j
oppose the measure going into a Committee, but give it his
negative upon the third reading.
The house then resolved itself in Committee.
Lord WY NFOR D proposed a clause to extend the pro.
visions of the bill to lay impropriators.
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY begged the Noble
and Learned Lord would lend his assistance in amending the
bill, but he wished to impress upon the Noble and Lennied
Lord whether his amendment would not entirely destroy
the principle of the measure ?
Lord WYNFORD amuted the Most Rev. and Learned
Prelate that he would give him all the assistance he could
both in that house and out of it. His amendment would
not interfere with the principle of the bill.
The Earl of ELDON said the bill could not be made
available without great alteration. What was to become of
all the tithe laws :and the existine compesitions by motive
deeimandi fl That was to become of tithes under the claims
of a prescription of' non dechnando 9 In many instances
where tithe was dem:mad, the proprietors of land lead a
right to claim discharge from tithes. It must be Lunen
to their lordships, that at the dissolution of monasteries, by
the 27th of Remy the Eiehth, the appropriations belongi sg
to religious houses, amouetieg to a third of all the parishes
in England, were taken by the King. From that root sprung
all the lay appropriations which we now ace in the kin-
then, the saute havinz, been granted by the Crown. In
numberless cases the owners of land, instead of paying tithe, I
eonaidered themselves tithe free. TSte noble and learned
lord mentioned a case in which an individual claimed
exemption from tithe. After the suit had continued lie: or
six years, it appeared that the person bell no right to claim
exemption. When they consicered the immense number
at monasteries of the large and lower order diesolveti, the
circumstance of so many objections to the payment of
tithes might he accounted for. Persons who purchased land
alter the Act of Henry the Eighth were as much entitled to
tithes in parishes as the clergy themselves The bill did
not contain a single provision relating to those who claimed
a right to refuse payment of tithe. It only provided fin
payment by composition. There was another part of the
bill which was highly objectionable. The landlord's right
to distrain had been passed over. That was is new proposi.
tion in the law. It did not make it a bill for conposition
of tithe ; but a measure for alteration of a fundamental
principle of the law of the land. The noble rnd learned
lord could not help thinking the bill required a great deal of
consideration and that it was impossible it could pass with-
out many important alterations.
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY said if the noble
and learned lord had been Ito good as to have stated to him
some of the objections made on that occasion, when he un-
dertook to bring in the bill some months ago, he would have
thrown it in the fire. It appeared to him that every word
the noble and learned lord had stated was tree, with respect
te the difficulties in which tithes were involved, but those
difficulties were not raised by the bill. His grace did not
see how they int rfered with a composition for tithe, where
it was clearly due to the clergy. The riehte of lay impro-
priators were not touched by the bill, and on that account,
without a knowledge of law, he would not consent to the
admission of the clause proposed by the noble and learned
1 rd (Wynford). -Ile could not see why persons who admit-
ted their liability to pay the tithe could not enter into
cemposition. If the right to claim tithe was disputed, the
ce.upcsition might occupy a court of law. If the noble and
learned lord wogld devise any mode to make the bill perfect,
lie would confer a great benefit on the country.
After a ft w words from Lord ELDON,
The LORD CHANCELLOR observed that he did not
agree with the bulk of the observations of noble lords oppo-
site. The noble and learned lord then went on to say that
the commissioners, by whom the assessments were to be
made. should have no power to interfere with the title of
t »her rector or landowner; the former could only take the
nismey on proving that that he had a legal right to the tithes.
of jection taken by the noble and learned lord (Wyn-
ford) applied equally to the Irish bill ; and he (tl.e Lord'
Chancellor) had cot heard any objections to the powers of
thet bill. The noble and learned lord then detailed the du-
ties of barristers under the intended measure. They were
in no case to decide upon the rights of any party, but only
to coca'y that the required provisions of the Act had been
complied with
Lord WYNFORD said be was convinced that the thanks
(*the ci.gbiry were doe to the Right Reverend Prelate for
Ins intentione; he was apprehensive, however, tbat lie had
tee had much to do with the drawing up of the clauses con.
14111061 ill it. He should humbly move that the Bill be dis-
euss.d :n a privioe Committee, or if that were informal, he
hogged to move that the Chairman do report progress, and
that tic Bill be postponed till that day sennight, and he
should therefore withdraw his former motion.
Earl CARNARVON suggested the propriety of the
ansendments of the most Reverend Mover of the Bill
bring piloted, together with the Bill, prior to its pestpone-
ment.

Mier a short conversation between the Archbishop of
CANTERBURY and Lord ABINGDON, the House
rounicd. The Committee to sit again on Monday se'nnight.
The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from
Lanark in lavoa of I, eform.
Adjourned or Half.past Seven o'clock.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Tim gallery ma. not opened until five o'clock, there being
two election ballets.
The fell.. AL.mbers were appointed to take into con-
sider:lnm the liiixburgh petition, complaining of the Rox.
burgh elet tion : S. Cradock, Mr. Alderman Venable., Lord
31arti,ville, A. Dawson, Sir H. Williamson, Lend Killeen,
sir A. Citii.rst..l, J Wynn, Hon. L. Kenyon, Hand.
ley. S r W. Hat% kins. &c.
Lint :11641 PET H moved that the petition upon the
Leeds and 31:webs:ter Railway bill be referred to a Select
Committee of Appeal.
Mr. STRICKLAND supposted the motion.
Mr. W. DENNISON could not support the motion, be.
cau,e it was unusual ; but he would support any motion for
an improvement of the principle upon which committees
were constructed.
Sir R. ILRGUSON was favourable to a reconstruction of
the mode upon which committees were formed.
Lord STANLEY defended the conduct of the committee,
and put it to his noble friend whether he should press his
motion.
Dr. LUSH INOTON said the question was this, were the
inv...tigaiion and decision made respecting the merits of the
bill by the committee proper? (Hear, hear.) Now, if the
itatcanent made by the noble Lord (Morpeth) were correct,
'Neither the investigation nor the,decisiou were correct, for
fiom that statement, it appeared that a number of members
of the committee, without hearing evidence, came in and

overpowered the opinions of those members who hod heard
' the evidence, and the bill was thrown out.
After a ew words from Mr. Grosvenor, Mr. Littleton,
Mr. O'Connell, Mr. S.Wortley, Mr. Sotiler.Mr.H. Gurney,
Mr. Portman Sir 11. Williamson, Sir J. B. Johnson, Mr.
Warburton, 'Mr. Moberly, Mr. C. Pelham, and Lord
Morpeth,
The gallery was cleared for a division, but none took
place, the opposition to the motion being withdrawn.
Mr. O'CONNELL postponed until this day week a mo-
tion which stood for this evening, respecting the state of
Ireland, as he did not wish to interrupt the progress of
the great measure of Reform.

TON REFORM DILL.
Lord A LTHOR P rose to bring fm ward his motion re.
greeting the facilitating of the reform bill. He admitted
that there was no precedent for this motion, but he thought
he could state special (pounds to justify his erellieg upon
the lieu.a to accede to his proposition. He thought that
er..n those who opposed the bill, as well as those who sup.
ported it, ought to give him their votes in favour of the mo-
tion which he was about to make. His object was not to force
the bill through the committee ; on the contrary, his anxiety
was to give increased opportunity fat the fullest discussion of
'he bill. Although, as be before stated, there was no pre.
cedent for the motion which he was about to make, he yet
thought that the circumstances of the case would justify him
in appealing to the house to accede to the motion. The
question of reform was of the utmost importance to the cuun.
try ; and in his opinion it would be wise in the present
House of Commons (indeed, he thought that the people
would be justified in calling upon their Representatives,) to
Postpone all other puhl!c questions, for the purpose of fur-
thering that now before the house. if there were lion. petite.
in that house who thought that no postponement of the
oche- public business ought to take place, in order that the
reform bill might be fnzwarded, why anything he might say
could not by any possibility convince them. But sure he
was that hon. gentlemen must admit the truth of his state.
mcnt when he said that the measure of reform was so impor.
taut in itself, that it ought to take precedence of every other
subject. His motion would be, that the Committee on the
reform bill should take precederce of all other public busi.
ness, whether petitions or orders, always excepting petitions
relating to reform, which would of course always precede
the motion for the house going into Committee. Poe the
purpose of giving greater effect to the 'dim which ha had in
view, it was his intention to request that the Speaker would
be pleased to take the Chair at three o'clock. With this
arrangement, the house would be enabled to appropriate eight
hours every night for the pmccedine on this measure. He
ther. moved that the Order of the flay upon the reform bill
takc precedence of all other business.
Mr. C. WYNNE said that he heard the motion of the
Noble Lord with the deepest concern. He thanked GOD it
was totally out of the power of the house to comply with
such a motion. It was contrary to the constitution of the
House to yield to such a requisition • if they did,
it would amount to en abdication of their rights. In
such a case, no person could bring forward any measure
without the consent of the Government. Why if any
Member had a petition to present against any Member
of the Ministry, he could not bring it forward without the
sanction of the Noble Lord. There were many questions of
an urgent neture that required the attention of the house as
well as the reform bill. Ile was prepared to accede to any
understatoiing lion the subject wnich would not form a
precedent, and w:,it I. could be revoked, and would not in-
terfere in the ninths business of the House. He urged
upon his noble friend the reconsideration of his motion. If
the motion was sanctioned, it might lead to the giatest
conveni -nee to the couture. lie was not aware that there
had been any attempt to tirine forward any motion to inter.
fete with t 7 e measure. of government. (War". hear.) He
hoped that the meek lord would be content with an under.
staedire on the point, and not put such a precteleut on the
jot. reels of the House. (Hear, hear.)
d A LTHOIiP said that he was aware of the irregu-
larity of his motion. His only motive was to have ample
time for the discussion of the Reform Bill. If he could
find eta the House was ready to consent that this question
%110111 d Conic Oil at a regular hour every day, he would with-
(tree hie ntotion, and consent to an understanding on the
subject. (Cheers.)
GOULIWRN said that he was opposed to the mo-
tion, which would establish a most unconstitutional piece.
dent. He was glad to hear that the noble lord was willing
to withdraw his motion, and consent to an un on
the subject. He really thought that no tin derskillatlay
had been created in discussing the Reform Bill. He was
anxious to promote the forwarding of the public business,
although he had many subjects to bring before the house.
' Lied MILTON entirely agreed with his noble friend,
that the motion was. pregnant with many cells, and he was
glad to hear his noble friend express hot inclination to
withdraw his motion, and abide by an understanding on
the subject.
Mr. HUNT looked upon the motion as one calculated
to impede public business, unless there were particular days
appropriated. Ile had a motion to make upon the corn
laws which was of great importance to the community. He
did not approve of any understanding upon the subject; he
would tether abide by a defined rule, than be left to the dis-
cretion of the house. If the members gave up their op.
position to the bill, there would he no necessity for such
a reguLtion ; and an opposition to it war useless, as the
ministers had such a majority. He would give up his
opposition. (Laughter.)
Sir R. PECI, said, that he trusted the noble lord (the
Cheneeller re the Exchequer) would act upon his own good
sense in this matter, and not upon the suggestions of newepa.
pen (cheers); aid view their disgraceful menaces with that
contempt that he (Sir R. Peel) and others did. He really
belies eel that there was no delay created ; every motion was
waived to give way to the reform bill, and nothing like
vexatious delay took place. It was impossible to frame a
new constitution without consuming a great deal of time
(cheers); if there were those who would create unnecessary
delay, the effects would recoil upon themselves. Of the 16
notices of motions in the committee, ten out of the sixteen
were given by members who had voted for the second reading
of the bill—(hear) Those motions involved topics of vital
importance, and it was not fair or just to impute to others
who wished to disenss it in detail, a desire to thwart the
measure. The tact was that the public were getting tired
of the proceeding, as the house had already shown symp-
toms of impatience. This was a proof that the feeling in
tl:c public mind upon the subject will only temporary, and
would die way. He tweed that the Noble Lord would die.
pense with the necessity of any order, and rely upon an un-
cerstataline, and resort to that amicable understanding that
was adopted last Session for the regulation of the public
business.
Lord ALTHORP, after the speech of the right hon.
baronet, trusted the; it would be the understanding that the
committee on the reform bill should sit ceery day at four
o'clock. (Cries of N. no; five &dock, from several voices.)
The noble lord continued, and said that in would fix five
o'clock, with the untletetteding that it theuld be adhered to.
Here die conversation dropped.
AM AND 34118. DEACLE.

Col. EVANS slid diat---tiTibringingiotward his motion
he had nor the least intention to amok any person. lie
conceived that he had a right to assist the weak against the
strong. In the month of November, when the country was
very much disturbed, informations were laid against Mr.
and Mrs. Dearlepitod a constable was entrusted with a war.
rant for their apprelit nsion. Ile then alluded to the pub
lished report of the trial, which stated that Mr. Heade was
a gentleman of respectability, e.tirl had graduated at Oxford.
The judge who tried the cause express- d his regret that such
harsh proceedings were adopted towards Mr. and 3lrs. Dsa-
de. It appeared that 31r. and 31rs. Dcacic had not shown
the least violence or resistance to the constable, although
great violence had been used in their apprehension. (Hear,
hear, bear.) He belies eel that there was a vtty strong
feeling upon• the subject in the public mind, and he thought
it the duty of the house to enquire into so great an abuse
of magisterial authority, as appeared to have been cont..
mined by a magistrate. He would more for the proceedings
of the trial at the Hampshire assizes, the judge's notes, the
indictment, and other documents connected with the pro.
ceedings. And if the documents proved his statement,
he would move an address to the Clown, that the magi-
strates who had so committed themselves be superseded,
and if they did not prove the allegations, he would move
that the Attorney-General be instructed to prosecute those
who had sworn to such statements.
The SPEAKER enquired who seconded the motion, and
there appearing no person to do so,
Mr. F. DARING said that as there appeared to be no
person in the house to second the motion, be would do so.
(Cheers.) He believed that there was a strong feeling in the
public mind, owing to the statements that were published.
He begged to call the attention of the House to the situation
of the country at the period when the arrest took place, on
the 24th of November. The hon. member then referred
to the numerous meetings of the labourers which took
place at that time, in order to show the necessity of
great vigilance on the part of the Magistrates. He

then read the affidavits of several persons, to prove
that great violence was committed by the peasantry at
that time, and that numerous machines were destroyed; and
the &Mask of one of the parties stated that a female was on
horseback with the mob, and that she appeared much pleased
at the destruction of the machinery, and that the female was
Mrs Beagle; and the affidavitof another person corroborated
the former statement, that she Mrs. Made, desired the mob
to fall in ! fall in and that she rode from party to party,
and asked this deponent if there were any soldiers near
and that Mrs. Deride was assisting in the distribution of
the money which the mob had forced from the proprietor
of the machinery. The affidavit of another person stated
that Mr. Deacle attended a mob on a machine.hre.,k-
ing excursion, when live sovereigns were obtained ; that Mr.
Deacle returned with the mob to a public-house, where
Mrs. Dank Tie
the patty, and assisted in d;viding
the money. The hon. member then referred to other affida-
vits, which justified the issuing of the warrant against Mr.
at.d Mrs. lhacle. He was bound to say that, when the war-
rant was issued against :Jul Mrs. Beetle, he was aware
warrant,
tinte,,ywwheeirietai I:cyore the condition of farmers generally, but
that the magistrates had only their duty in issuing the
four.: a person in the condition of Mr.
Daigle inciting the peasantry to acts a violence. The con-
stable to whoa the warrant was entrusted said that he could
not execute the warrant; but the constable was accompanied
by himself and other grade, le n, and a light cart was obtained
LS most convenient to eon% ca the prisoner*, as it woad be
attended with great 'Lager, if the cotaaable went in a post-
chaise, as the country at that time was in a state of great ex-
eitement, and all warrants executed by the aid of the mili-
tary. Ile wins into the son -t accoropa..ied by another
gentleman, and he would state on oath that Mr. Bingham
Baring did not enter the room, and the only reason why he
did not gn into all the details, was that the cause was likely to
be investigated in another plate. H: daticti that 31r.11ingitam
Baring had carried Mn De do, for he (Mr. F. tearing) es-
corted Mot. Deacle across the yard to the car, wit: a she com-
plained of the mud, and he lifted her a, rossaiad site traaked
.im for his courtetty. It was nue she objected to the testicle.
Those facts he could have stated ea the trial, but that he
was made a party to the action. He was reedy to admit that
he was anxious to iterate the 11• :inters quietly, as It was '
not a time to IiStCP to small °Net-tit:rm. (Ilea a hear, hear)
Ile was afraid of a rescue, cad that bloods'ad would ensile. ,
It was stated that th^ lady was halispoactl, which was rather
unexpected and singular. She had been seen ealing the day
before, at the bead of several bodies of 'mu. (Hear, heat.)
She (tit; complain of the jolting of the cart, but at a place
that e Testae was most lilted; to take place. He denied that
the cart went at a great pace, as the constables were able to
keep up whh it. He did not believe that any blow was
given. It was impossible to prove a negative. He had a
conversation with Mr. Mock, who never said one word about
P 'how, and he never heard one word on the subject until
he hail received an attorney's letter. Mr. Deane conhlnot
give 'my evidence on the point, as he was not present at the
time, and was not called to prove what had never taken-place.
Ile thanked the house for their indulgence, and trusted that
thy would believe his statement, and that Mr. Bingham
Baring was incapable of eating an inhumane part.
Mr. Ferjeant WILDE -aid that thiriog the proceedings
rhich tool: plat last November, the depo,itions were sub-
',Acted to him by the Attorney-Genera], and it appeared by
thoac that Mrs. Druck superintended the distribution of
the money that was divided anion yet the mob, and that a
prper was • lama by Mr. neacle, Mr. Boyce, and other
farmers, antliorizing the increase of wages ; and he believed
that those persons had incited the unfortunate peasantry.
Nlr. Boyce was tried and acquitted, and as he felt that the
charge against 3tr. Boyce was fully proved, he had him tried
'lain, with the sanction of the Attorney-General; he was
than found guilty, and was transported, and he believed
that, owing to this conviction a the promptitude of the
longistratc, the violence of the mob was most mato-
riallt arrested. 'l'he effect of the action where all the par-
ties were made a patsy to the action, prevented that expla-
nation which the house had heard from the Hon. Member.
The house must be well aware that when all the parties were
shat out from giving evidence, that the trial was founded
ppm] ex-parts statement. He thought that as the case was
likely sea% to come before a Court of Justice, it would be
xpedient to content to the motion ; besides, he thought it
was impossible to compel the Judge to give a copy of his
notes, which were private. He trusted that if on any future
occasion the country was placed in a similar situation, that
the Magistrates would act with promptitude and vigilance,
and not be deterred by any obloquy that was now attempted
to be thrown upon their exertions.
Mr. B. CARTER observed, that from his own personal
experience and knowledge, Mr. Bingham Baring was inca-
pable of acting the part alleged against him. He believed
, that no one would deny but that the magistrates ware obliged
to act with the greatest promptitude during the disturbances
lest winter. . .

Mr. HUME was aware that the situation of magistrates
on that occasion was one of difficulty ; but the question was,
whether the magistrates acted with too much harshness on
the occasion. (Cries of question.) He (Mr. Hume) knew
who those core who interrupted him. (Laughter.) If it was
true that Mrs. Beagle war not handcuff:ll, was it true also
that Mr. Deacle was not handcuffed ? He would ask the
learned serjeant what connection was there between the MRCS
of Mr. Boyce and of Mr. Deacle. (Cries of question.) He
asked for information on certain points which affected the
public. In doing so, he must enter his protest against the
language of the learned Serjeant respecting the authority
with which magistrates should be invested in turbulent
times. Were we, then, in a country in which the sight of a
magistrate should excite terror ? (Cries of no, no.) Yes,
ob•erved Mr. Hume, the learned Serjeant said that the ma-
gistrates should strike terror in the multitude by their ap-
pearance in such times. (Cries of no, no.) Such conduct
14 quite disorderly, said the hon. member. If the learned
Servant did nut say so, he would be glad to hear him ex-
plain what he said.
Mr. J. CARTER observed that, as soon as Mr. Francis
Baring saw both parties handcuffed, he gave orders to remote
the handcuff from Mrs. Deacle, and the reason why it was
not removed from Mr. Deacle was, that a key was necessary,
and it was not at hand.

Mr. Serjeant WILDE explained that what he said was,
that he thought that the presence of a magistrate, in eon.
ducting the pawners, should excite respect and terror in the
beholders, so as to prevent their attempting a rescue.
Mr. DARING said that Mr. Bingham Baring,on reading
the facts which occurred at the trial, prepared a counter
statement, and sent it to the press, which they insetted; but
what did the Times say next day ? why, We do not .be-
lion: one wardyou say ;' (cheers and laughter.) Mr. B.
Baring said that lie was prevented from proving his case at
the trial, because hi: witnesses were made defendants. But
wha. did the witnesses say ? why, that's an impudent
aggravation of the ofrence" (laughter) Much as he res-
pected the freedom of the press, still he must say that on
this occasion it was abused. If any gentleman entertained
a doubt ot Cie innocence of Mr. B. Baring of the charge
brought against him, he (Mr. Baring) would submit the
oapers connected with the subject to Ills consideration, and
fie wa:. satisfied that, on perusing them, they would remove
his doubts.

Sir J. SCA ItLE'rf said the impression made on his
mind, on reading the trial, was that all persons who wit-
nesse') the transaction v.-ere made defendants, for the purpose
If excluding their testimony, and that the eireuntstanecs of
the case were i•:ttelt exaggerated.
Mr. HUNT recollected that the hon. and learned mem-
het mho spoke last had once put him (Mr. Hunt), and all
who were along with him, into a net for a similar purpose
(laughter). He should own that it filled him with honor
when he read in the newspapers that a woman was hand-
cuffed and struck with a stick. He felt more bona-struck,
as he Wallach. had once been in a similar situation, having
been handcuffed between two constables, Avben aliother struck
rice his hat, and aimed a blow at his head—(cheers and
laughter.) lie would be glad to hear the charge cleared up,
but he had heard nuthing as yet to satisfy him that the evi.
dence given at the trial was false. Now- he thought that
the hest course to pursue was to institute an inquiry. He
hoped that we should see the day when magistrates would be
better employed than in putting ladies of this kind into
carts: (hear, hear.) Had he (Mr. Hunt) been on the jury,
and believed the facts, instead of 501, he would give 50001.
Mr. MI LDNIA Y entered into a defence of the conduct of
Mr. B. Baring, observing that he was perfectly justified in
the course which' he pursued.
Lord ALTHORP thought that though the Gallant
Officer brought forward Ids motion to give the Honourable
Member en opportunity of explaining his conduct, that
objeet being attained, he did not see that the motion
should be pressed. He believed that there was but one
person in the house who was not satisfied with the state-
ment made by the Honourable Member (Mr. B. Baring.)
(Cheers.) Knowing as he did Mr. B. Baring a long
time, he was satisfied that he could not be guilty of the
conduct attributed to him, for a more humane person there
was not in existence. (Cheers.)
Colonel EVANS replied.
The motion was then put, and negatived without a di-
vision.

REFORM RILL.
Lord J. RUSSELL having moved the Order of the Day
fur the House to resolve itself into a Committee on the Re-
form Bill,
Mr. CHOKER presented petitions from Lydd and New
Ramey, against the Reform Bill, as we understood, the con-
fusion being very great.
The House then went into Committee.
On the motion that the borough of Downton stand part of
schedule A,
Lord .1. RUSSELL begged to say a few words respect.
lug this borough, because, including the parish, it con-
tained more than three thousand inhabitants; but as it was
an inconsiderable borough, the Government thought that it
should be placed in schedule A. He could not give the
House satisfactory information respecting the number of 101.
householders it contained. The Commissioners sent there
by the Home Oflice reported that the number of such
houses was 94. The overseers returned that the number
Teas about 104. From all accounts it was evident that it
would be necessary to go a considerable distance from the
town to make up three hundred voters. He would admit
that, is proposing to place this borough in schedule A,
the Govemment were departing from the principle of the
Bill. But they would leave it to the discretion of the
House whether they should disfranchise the borough of
Dowaton or not. The borough of St. Germaine was simi-
larly circumstanced.
Mr C110KEI: referred to the speech of the noble lord on
the introduction of the bill. in which the amount of the popu-
lation was laid down :Is the rule, without teference to the
number of houses rated at 101. He took an interest in the
borough of Downton solely on account of public justice.—
(Cheers from the Opposition.) 'rma borough and parish con-
tained upopuLtion of 3114, according to the census of 1821,
thus it had 114 more than was necessary to save it. Now
the number of houses rated in the borough was 38, and there
sere seven boroughs in schedule B not having 38 dec.
toral houses. If, as 'he noble lord stated, there were 100
houses in that borough which were worth 101. a year, still
that ~.ta more than a great number of the boroughs in
schedule B had ; fur Xi th.:m hid not more than ISO
decor.' houses each. There were 84 boroughs whose
franchise was kff untouthed that had not 300 electoral
houses each. He would venture to say that there acre may
boroughs from which the noble lord would have to go fur.
th:r to make up 300 voters than he could have to °o from
Downton. There was nothing to be said respecting Down.
ton that was not applicable mere strongly to other boroughs.
He thought it of the greatest importance that they should
hsve a rule to go by, as the only thing that could justify
them teith posterity, or exempt them from the charge of
partiality. Under Owe circumstances, he would negative
Cis motion.
Lord J. RUSSELL would vote that this borough should
stand in schedule A, though he admitted the advantage of
adhering to the prbciples or the bill.
Mr. CHOKER observed that, by the returns laid on the
ykatettlay. Bowman contained a population of 3,968,
so that it was neer prereiving its two members-
31r. O'CONNELL thought that no principle of the bill
would be violated in disfranchising a rotten borough. It
was not denied that this was a rotten borough.
Colonel SIBTHORPE reprobated the frequent use made
of the term rotten boroughs in that House.
An Hon. Maxima said the noble lord (Radnor) who
was connected with the borough in question, was willing
that the borough eitould-be dealt with as that house pleased ;
but be would suggest that it would be advisable to join this
borough with that of Wilton, and place it in schedule B.
and by doing so, enable it to send one member to par-
liament.
Mr. CROKER said, that the noble lord alluded to had
no option. Those who opposed the bill were anxious to make
the borough of Downton as free as the borough of West-
minster. (Hear, hear.)
Afters few words from Mr. O'CONNELL, in explanation,
Mr. STANLEY said, that he did not mean to say that
the right hon. and learned gentleman would not be in a
majority, because the case of Downton rested upon such
special grounds, that even if the question were carried against
ministers, no principle of the bill would thereby be lost.
(Hear, hear.) He denied that they could by any means
whatever make Downton as free as Westminster. TM Meg
hon. gentleman alluded to the scarcity of dooMell Wein
in the borough of Downton, and the poverty of the place,
which latter point was ascertained by the fact that the entire
amount of taxes paid by the borough in 1830 was 721. sod
by the parish in which it was situated only 1101. There
facts, despite the amount;of popolation, which was certainly
above 3,000 persons, justified his Majesty's Ministers in
placing the borough in Schedule A. However, as he said
before, let the question be decided as it might, no principle
would be involved in it (hear).
Sir R. PEEL contended that, according to the principle
of the bill, it was impossible not to place the borough of
Downton in schedule 11, and his Majesty's Ministers, acting
in their judicial capacity, could with great justice support his
view of the case. It was with great pain that he advocated
the principle of the bill, but he would support that principle
in the Committee.

iii.(3.iiiiJUSSON supported the placing of Down-
ton in schedule B, because, in doing so, he was supporting
the principle upon which be all along advocated the reform
bill. _

An Hon. Mums said that he was not there to support
Ministers at their beck or call; he wu there as an indepen-
dent Member of Parliament, to support what be conceived
to be of advantage to the country ; and considering the bo-
roug in ciliation to be a nomination borough, he would sup-
port ministers by his vote that night, for the purpose of
gt Will; rid of it.
Mr. EWART hoped the reformers of that House would
not be led away by the sophistry of the right hun. ban. (Sir
R. Peel), who attempted to sow the seeds of discord among
the reformers. (Hear.)
Afttr a few word* from Mr. C. PILHaX,
Mr. HUNT said, that unless they travelled a long way
from Downton, they would be obliged to give the votes to
the sheep on Salisbury Plain. (A laugh.) They should
go out of the county to make up a constituency for Down.
ton, if they took it out of schedule A.
Mr..l. BULLER thought the best way for the House
to act would be to stick to the line upon which the reform
bill was founded.

After an observation from an hon. member, whose name
we could not learn,
Mr. BENETT said, although Downton had been a no.
mination borough, yet under the proposed plan it would no
longer be so. He contended that as they bad laid down the
plan of 2000 persons sending one member to Parliament,
they ought not to depart from it.
The gallery was then cleared for a division, when the
numbers were,

For the motion
Against it 241
Majority for Ministers ems-40
Upon our return to the gallery, we found the Chairman o
the Committee putting the question that the borough of
Dunwich stand part of schedule A.
Sir J. BRIDGES rose muely for the purpose of expreas.
ing hii high sense of the independence of the members of
that house in the votes given that evening.
The motion was then carried without a division.
Upon the motion the: the borough of Bye stand part of
schedule A. (Laugh:er.)
Sir C. KERRISON, the member for the borough in
goes:ion, challenged any one, either in or out of the house,
to say that he had ever practised any improper means in
order to get returned. The increase of population between
the years 1021 and 1831 was 404, and he therefore thought
that some mistake had been made in the return of 1831.'
He should vote against the disfranehhenient of .he borough,
because his solemn opinion was that tit:. measure would
create anarchy and contusion in the country, and that the
pe,iple would soon have cause to regret.
Mr.IIURGE., the other Member, strongly objected to the
disfranchisement of the borough which he had the honour to
represent. (Hear, hear.) It was not a 'men borough,
but a borough which had long enjoyed the right of send.
inq Members to Parliament by virtue of a charter, which
enabled the inhabitants to show their gratitude to their
landlords.

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31r. iiDLER rose amidst cries of eptestion ! question
The hon. gent. regretted to find that a borough which had
sent to that house a hero oho had fought the taales of the
country and spilled his blood in her defence, was to fall
amidst the general ruin.
Sir C. WETHERELL rose amidst considerable confu-
sion. He bad heard, when this borough was announced,
some persons in the gallery pus upon Aye and Eye. (Cries
of oh, oh.) He had heard the pun. It was not his inten.
Lion to make a long speech, but if he had deemed it neces-
savy, he should do so, in spite of any interruption that
might be offered to him (cries of go on go on.) The
honourable and learned gentleman thought ;hat the census
of 1821, and not that of 1831, ought to have been adopted
in this case, as by the former the borough would come
within the rule.
Vl* div question was then put, and also agreed to without a
ision.

The CHAIRMAN then proposed that the bur e Olt L:
Fo..ey should stand part of schedule A.
Sir J. BRYDOES moved that the Chairman of the Co
miLotteerdsh;gd then
LTONitP°theu" prghtthCmiltiou. r was not so late es t:.,,
they could not proceed further with perfect convenience.
Sir IL PEEL said that if the motion of the hon. b.treet t
was pressed, be should vote against it.
tiir J. BRYDGES would not press the motion against ti.Z
sense of the house. (Bear, hear, go on, go on.)
Lord BItUDENELL said that the popolation u; t
borough exceeded 2000 by the census of 1821, and he th..r..
fore submitted that it ought not to be disfranchised. if,
complained dist the house was pledged to a majority. !N
no.) It bait only to refer to the vote given by ,:n
alderman, and the apology which he was obliged to

consequence.
Mr. SEVERN also contended that the borough ex..N4l
the line, an that it was in an improving conditieu.
Lord J. RUSSELL said, that Fowey was only at: itlear.
siderable place, and that only secemeighth% of the botov,f3
were within the parish of Fowcy. Thepepulation was ands
the line in 18:1I, and they could not therefore do otl.•eriti,t
than include this borough.
31r. CROKER could not see how the noble lord cotet:
distinguish this from the case of the borough of Truro.
Mr. GILBERT admitted that Fowcy was an Mucci.
demi& place.
Sir L. WETHERELL contended, that Fowcy was ,
more considerable place than either Caine or Tavistock, ant!
asked the noble lord whether its trade and commerce di..!
not exceed that of either.

Sir 11. LI ARDINGE protested against the rule Qom:
by the unid... lord, of requiring that the borough shealil
eo-extensivz with at least one of the parishes in %%Lich
was situate.

Mr. SADLER was glad that the question with respect to
Appleby was again to be brought forward. (Cries of quo.
tion, question !) Ile thought that Appleby had a right to
retain its franchise as well as Mahon, which was also dividrd
into two parishes. Fowey stood in the same situation.
Mr. PRAM) contended that it was not justice to cor.
tinue Caine and disfranchise Fowcy.
Lord I NGESTRIE complained of the want of prow.
tion in the line adopted by Ministers.
Mr. CROK RR said tl.at the borough of Truro was ceo.
lintd to the parish of St. Mary, but that, because the boar
stretched into two other parishes, Truro was to be put oat
of both schedules, and to return both members. Form
cam: within the identical principle, for if a hamlet in th;
adjoining parish, and forming part of the borough, wet,
included, it would come within the line.
Mr. GILBERT was for continuing one Melnik' fa
Fos cy, but still, in point of population, it could not stand i:.
comparison with Truro.
Lord J. It USSR LI. explained the rule which the Gerere.
ment had laid down, and denied that Fowcy contained 2,00 t,
inhabitants. Fowey could bear no analogy to Truro. He
hoped that the case of Caine would be brought forward
the end of the schedule.

Mr. ATTWOOD said that Fowey, not being a noniirk.
don borough, ought not to be destroyed.
After a few words from Mr. CROKE. and Lord BOUM.
WILL, who reserved to themselves the right of bringing th.,
subject forward again, the question was put, and also r.gtad
to without a division.

The CH&IIIIIIAX then proposed that the borough of Gat.
ton should stand part of schedule A.
The cries of adjourn, adjourn ! were loud ; but after a for
words from Lord J. RUSSELL,
The MP:magas for Gatton both addressed the Houle,
and i.escribed Gattou u a respectable and indrputden:
borough.
The question was then put, and also agreed to witholt

The CHAIRMAN then proposed that the borough G:
Hasiemere should stand part of schedule A.
The question was agreed to without a division.
The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and obtaild
leave to sit again this day.
The SPEAKER, on resuming the chair, observed these.
u it was the wish of the house that he should come down i-.
future at three, instead of four o'clock, he hoped that L.
should be enabled to take the chair at the latter hour.

The Coal Duties Bill was read a third timet and passed,
after a few words from Mr. GouLsumst, Mr. SLANE!, and
Mr. HUME,
The other orders of the Day were then disposed of. sod
the house adjourned at Two &Clock.

On the borough of Downton the division was for the Mi.
Waters 274, and against disfranchisement 244, leaving a
majority of only 30, which is accounted for by the followiN
40 having voted in the minority, who have heretofore rind
for the Bill.
Adeane. H. J. Johnstone, J. H.
Agnew, Sir Andrew Lewis, Frankland
Astley, Sir J. D. Ban. Lemon, Sir C. Bart.
Belgrave, Lord Lopes, Sir R. F. Bart.
Bennet, J. Lumley, J. S.
Bentinck, Lord George Milton, Viscount
Bouverie. Hon. D. P. North, Fred.
Buck, L. W. Powell, Colonel .
Heller. J. Ramsden, J.
Durrell, Sir Chas. Ridley, Sir M. W.
Colborne' N. R. Bickford, W. .
'
Denison, J. E. Skipwith, Sir Grcy
Ferguson, Sir R. • Staunton, Sir 0.
Fergusson, C. Tyrrell, Charles
Gotdor, It. Willoughby, Sir H.
Greene, W. Webb, Colonel

Harcourt, E. V. Wood, Colonel
Heatlicote, Sir G. Wroneeley, Sir J.
Howard, R. Wynn, Sir W. W.
Hothron, John Wynn, Right Hon. C.
FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE.