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HOUSE OF LORDS, ',UNE 19.
Prayers were read at half after three o'clock, by the Bishop of
Exarrn • and afterwards Lord litms.tat was introduced as.
Baron BA imam, of Barham Court, in the County of Sussex,
being supported by Lords Gammen and CALTNORPE, and cots-1
ducted by Garter King at Arms, who was attended by the Yeo.l
man Usher of the Black Rod. When the patent had been read,
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upon took his seat.—Adjoura,..l during pleasure, and at fire
o clock their Lordships resuintd.
Mr. Bitocnew and others hrotrAt up the Scotland ConArma-
dons Bill, the Beer Duties Bill,and the Brimstone Drawbacks
Bill, which were afterward; reed a first time. _ _

Thu Duke of MUNSTER presented a Petition from the
Hibernian Philanthropic Society, who prayed that their Lord-
ships would take cttsnizance, in any measure they might un.
dertake.with regard to the present state of Ireland, of Mr. Oven's
plan for ameliorating the condition of the poor. The Noble
Duke added, that from everything lie Ind heard upon the sub-
ject, and •from what he individually knew in re: ttion to Mr.
Owen's plan, he entertained no unfavourable, but rather a high
opinion of it. He took this opportunity to present the Petition,
which had been confided to his care, as he conceived it to be
connected with the great question that was about to be discuised
by their Lordships.
The Earl of CLARE expressed his conviction that the Peti:
tion just presented by his Noble Friend deserved the most se-
rious consideration of the House. Of this, indeed, he was confi-
dent, that the extent of the wretchedness of Ireland was not even
known in this country. Ile should,-therefore, call ..pon their
Lordships to interpose a helping hand, while conjuring them
never to abandon the inquiry on account of the difficulties that
were presented on every side.
The Marquis of LANSDOWN presented a Petition front
the Dealers of London, who prayed that the Scotland Linen
Manufacture Bill might not be allowed to pass.

The Earl of LIVERPOOL was surprised at the prayer of
the Petitioners, 3s the present Bill contemplated the taking oti
all restrictions on the Linen Trade.—The Petition was received,
and laid upon the table of the House.

IRELAND.

The Marquis of LANSDOWN now moved the
Order of the Day upon which their Lordships had
been summoned, tor taking into consideration the
actual state of Ireland ; and, the Order being read,.

The Duke of 'DEVONSHIRE rose.—lt never
would have occurred to him, his Grace said, to bring.
forward a motion at all likely to occupy their Lord-
ships' time, at so advanced a period of the Session as
this, had he not feared, from the delay of investiga-
tion in another place, that this Session would not
terminate with „satisfaction to the country if Parlia-
ment should neglect all inquiry as to the piesent si-
tuation and future prospects of Ireland. Under these
circumstances he, even now, felt the disadvantages
that were opposed to his course; but relying on the
support of Noble Lords around him, and seeing that
the continuance of a rigorous system in relation to
Ireland had rather worse than no effect, he was
anxious that Parliament should resort to other means
—means and measures which would cease to retard
all improvements, while they removed the evils thattarnished the character of a country rich in her na-
tural advantages. There was something, an inde-
finable something, with regard to Ireland, that indi-
cated a system of bar! Government there ; for if the
people of Ireland were satisfied in reason, if they were
at'all comfortable in circumstances, it was not usual
in the nature of things to suppose that a population
so satisfied in themselves, would wish to risk the
comfort and property of their families in perils and
tumults. From the period of the Union, however,
to‘the present day, what had Ireland exhibited to us?
Nothing more instructive than a successive scene of
petty insurrections. All parties were agreed in one
thing ; it was admitted on all sides, that the state of
Ireland was alarming, and the difficulty great in re-
medying her situation ; and it certainly was to the
disgrace of Parliament that conciliatory measures had
not been persevered in. It was impossible for their
Lordships not to be aware that religious differences
were one paramount cause. of dissension in Ireland ;
but while all conciliation and concession was refused
lie entertained no hope. Let their Lordships once
abandon the harsh system of exclusion, and trust the
people with the Constitution, and all would be right.
It was certainly wrong for their Lordships to assume
that the absence of Catholic concession was the only
cause of discontent and displeasure to a very large
.majority of the people 4 Ireland ; there were con-
, comitant causes of dislike; but, unless the predomi-
nant cause of complaint were removed, its operation,
felt though unseen, would prevent all benefits that
might hereafter be derived from the adoption of con-
ciliatory measures in other forms. The whole con-
duct of Government in regard to Ireland, its policy
and its practice, demanded a thorough examination.
With reference to the administration of justice in
Ireland, there remained no hope except in the im-
partiality and purity of its administration. Nothing
could be conceived more fatal to a country than an
undecided and trimming system ; and yet this system
had uniformly been pursued with regard to Ireland.
The object of this system was palpable—it was in-
tended to give triumph to neither party; and, upon
this system, the discontent of both parties would be
perpetuated, for no other earthly purpose than to in-
trust the Government of Ireland to almost wholly a'
small majority, who consisted of persons known
sunder the designation of Orangemen—persons who
considered the people as their enemies, and who,
therefore, were themselves obnoxious to the country
ac large. The state of affairs was alarming; their
Lordships must perceive, that there was one law for
Protestants and another law for Catholics ; so that,
in effect, the difficulty was not subdued by keeping
both parties under. Either, then, their Lordships
must concede to the people of Ireland, or,' as one
alternative, they must give to the individuals who
were arrayed as Orangemen a triumph, which would
be no other than ruin-to Ireland. With respect to
another cause of complaint—the tithe system—he
i recollected the precise pledge given. by the Noble
Earl at the bead of his Majesty's Governuient, and
be wished to..ask, was not this a measure most gall-
iug, most oppressive, to the people of Ireland ? But,
as sow principie of commutation was still befine the
other House, ho would not colarge on this tdpic.
isy affecting ithiftp criticbl a' state of' affairs al then

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ievolred the fate of Ireland, be would urge, in the
first place, the' necessity of further concessions to the
CatholiOs of that country; then some arrangement
With regarct,to tithes; next;an abridgement of the
party who had too long ruled the people of.lrelandt
and, Islay, a vigorous, but an impartial administra-
tion 'OF jttstice in that country. If any such measures
were in the conteniplation of his Majesty's Ministers,
he hoped that conclusiveness, not trimming, was the
object. Much, after all, must depend on the con-
duct ofhis Majesty's Government with regard to Ire-
land; and, therefore, itbecame a matter ot• surprise,
and to • himself the sabject of disappointment, that
the views of the present Lord Lieutenant, who could
not possibly have been an indifferent spec►ator ef
events, were not stated on this occasion. If that
Noble Lord entertained the same views he formerly
had expressed in this Ilcuse, he (the Duke of Devon-
shire) should like to know whether the Lord Lieute-
nant's views were acted upon, or whether they were
not ? The Noble Duke concluded with proposing a
Resolution to the effect, that, learning with deep re•
Bret the ill success of coercive measures in relation to
Ireland, and sit far condemning the conduct of Go-
vernment, it was the duty of the House to resort,
without delay, to more conciliatory means.

Earl BATHIIIIST,whiIe complimenting the Noble
Duke on the candour of his conduct, denied that the
United Parliament was.olinoxious in the manner that
had been described to their Lordships. He had only -
to refer to the Statute Book subsequently to the
Union of the tlko kingdoms/ to shew that the impu-
tation of coercion in legislating had no foundation.—
With respect to the landed interests of Ireland, all
their Lordships knew that Leland, from a grazing
country, had turned to an agricultural country ; and
here he asked what had been the conduct of Go-
vernment ? Why, in the year 1806, this country
had given to Ireland the monopoly of grain, even
excepting colonial, imports,. which gave to Ireland
the command of thegrain market. If, in pursuance
of .this facility, their Lordships just looked at the
quantity of grain imported, it would appear thit the
proportion had since been quadrupled, even taking
the date of la,t year. Nor was this all—let their
Lordships lock deliberately at the different measures
proposed fur improving the administration of justice
in 'lreland, where no ameliorations had been omitted ;
and then let it be asserted, with even the semblance
of truth, that no ameliorations were made. So, again,
v..ith respect to the manner of choosing the Shei iffs,
which before was managed in an underhand and, most
unsatisfactory way ; the selection of those officers had
been assimilated to the system practised in this country.
Another. greargrievance to the people of Ireland in
the administration of justice, was respecting. the fines
imposed on the foifeitute of recognizance' in all cti-
minal proceedings, which detect had also, been cor-
rected. With respect to the choosing of Grand Ju-
ries, another most important point in the due
admi-
nistration of justice, while formerly bills, were pre-
seated on Ole mere depositions of the Magistrates,
this proceeding was likewise now assimilated to that
of the Engliih Courts, and no bills could be returned
without the examinatiop of evidence.to sustain them.
Then again, there had been introduced a general Police
Ilia into Ireland, the merits of which appeared in the
very first dispa'tch from the present Lord Lieutenant
of Ireland, who mentioned the progressive confidence
of the Gentry and the people in the operation of the
measure. An alteration had taken place even as to
the characters of the Magistrates, though it must
certainly be acknowledged that some difficulties were
consequent on the adoption of the measure at the
present ti.ne. Much was also to be hoped from the
introduction of Petty Sessions in Ireland ; for it was
unneces,ary to enlarge on the difference thus likely
to ensue in the administration of justice, when admi-
nistered by an individual at his own house, and a
public proceeding in open court, under the controul
of public opinion, which prevented all private' influ-
ence, so as to render intrigue and hearsay of no avail.
These were measures in.t boastful in themselves, -
though silently operative, which he conceived the
Noble Duke had quite overlooked when he ventured
to affirm that nomeasures had been adopted, either
by his Majesty's Ministers or the Imperial Parliament,
for improving the administration of justice in Ire-
land. There were, besides, the crying evils arising
out of Grand Jury Presentments, by which, at pre-
sent, those who undertook local works in Ireland had
the means of covertly appl3 ing for money ; and the
con etvence was, the raising of local taxes, obtained
by favouritism and squande: ed in eitraVagance, while
no account was given to the *Public of Monies'so ex-
pended, not to say wasted. TO shew their-Lordship"
the frightful extent of such "impOsts.,- he need
only to state that at a peyiod'Aerilthe Whole reve•
nue of Leland' amonnted to only, fOur -millions, not
less than one million was elipetidod- its chi" fratticulter
way; and he would leave thetiliordshipi tif-donsider
how far the interests And happiness: of litre people of
- Ireland had been consulted. But there wat_another
frank measure for the relief of Irish' WOO,. in the
advance of small loans, upon ,securities for repay-
ment ; which, it was beliived, had greatly -relieved
the people of Ireland.. Then, • in furtherance- of ail
these, came the relief for, or rather the improvement
of, the It ish fisheries. The latter had met with par-
ticular encouragement in the neighbourhood of Cork,
and it was to be hoped, if the experiment were; suc-
' cessful, or likely to be so, that Parliament would go
further in encouraging it. With-respect to Mr.o*en's
plan, on which he did pot pledge him Self, he had
only to remark, that whereas 30,0001. had been voted
for the furtherance of it, the Parliament of Ireland
were unable to vote more than 3001. for nearly a si-
milar purpose. It was desirable, in the' last place,
that their Lordships should look attentively at the
consequences of the consolidation of the two &ale-
gtiers. Before the Union, it appeared that Irelandwas responsible for two seventeenths of the National
Debt; but' in the year 1817, the Imperial Parlin-
i went, with thosincere.virte.nitelietinF the-burthens

af Ireland, so reduced theumottat of payment, that
Irehmd now paid only two twenty-sevenths, the re-
mainder still being paid by this country. While the
people of Ireland remained on their former footing,
they had no prospect, no hope of any kind of dims-'
nution of taxes; but the last year the Window Tax'
was repealed; and the Imperial Parliament was going
to relieve Ireland from Assessed Taxes, though the
people of England were continuing to pay them. Was
it, therefore, the most allowable language, in a le-
gislative sense, fur Noble Lords to assert that Go-
vernment had really done nothing, and also that Par-
liament did nothing to improve the condition of the
people of Ireland? Was it noble-minded to mix up
coercive measures, which were temporary, with sub-
stantial benefits, in order to confound both? Par-
liament
had passed a series of benevolent and conci-
liatory Acts, not applying to this or that sect, but
equally good for Catholic and Protestant,.. for the
whole of Ireland; and were these ameliorations to
be found wanting, or regarded as nothing at all?
With respect to the question of Catholic Emancipa-
tion, to which the Noble Duke had alluded, be con-
sidered it too large a field of discussion to be intro-
duced at present; but was it fitting that persons whir
at all hazards had adhered to the Constitution, should
be displaced by a side-thrust? This never was the
principle of the Noble Duke's friends when in office;
who, on the contrary, went out of their way in
search after persons to fill offices, though differing in
politics with those persons. As to the motion now
before their Lordships, it was similar to that made
by a Noble Marquis (Lansdown) in the last Session
of Parliament, and nearly at the same time of the
year, it then being the 14th of June, who then al-
luded to that dividing of Magistrates, since adopted
—who suggested some relief from taxation, which
also was adopted—v.ho submitted the propriety of
inviting the return of Irish aliens, which, by the re-
peal of the Assessed Taxes in that country, was
adopted too; and with respect to the commutation
of tithes, their Lordships knew that measure was
going on. Without a reference to party-views, be
trusted that Ministers had done their duty. He, in
the discharge of his duty, had stated this; and, as lie
wished not to give a direct negative to the Resolution
that had been moved by the Noble Duke, he should
conclude by moving the previous question.
Viscount CLIFDEN said,' that certainly there
could have been no treat improvement in our rela-
tive situation with Ireland, it we bad not permitted
her to import the produce of her soil. As to that for-
bearance which the Noble Earl boasted of respect-
ing the finances of Ireland, there was no merit in
this; for their Lordships could not draw any more
from that ill-fated land. With respect to Irish ab-
sentees, they were the fruit of the Union of the two
countries; and if their Lordships were pleased with
the ITision, they must cherish the offspring of it. He
must remark, that the population of Ireland was es-
sentially Catholic ; and ever since the tear 173.5,
when it might be supposed that the Church was not
more practicable than now, the tiles were disputed,
add affa'rs continued in this posture till 1760, from
which period, when Leland had become an agricul-
tural country, there was nothing but s inguinary laws,
murders, rebellions, and executions. behind was not
indebted to this country, unless her subjugation could
be demonstrated to have been a benefit to herself.—
Even in England, tithe was a serious hardship, and
what !bust it not be in Ireland? Tithe was said to
be of divine origin, and perhaps it was, but fur a
people and for uses different to those to which it seas
now applied. The Noble Lo. ..1 proceeded to quote
from Mr. Mason's wot k relative to the proportion of
• parishes and tithe-payers in a particular Barony in
the Queen's County ; the result of which was that the
payers being many and the tithe small, the necessity
for employing proctors was rendered urgent. Many
of their Lordships knew nothing of the state of Ire-
land; and more was the pity—yes, he repeated, more
was the pity! Then look at the Ecclesiastical Courts,
where a Clergyman was the Judge in behalf of hii;
fellow Clergyman. In fa‘t, altogether the state of
Ireland was shocking to contemplate, whatever were
the causes that produced it, or the difficulty of the
remedies to be applied to it. In Ireland, by the Act
of 1735, parishes were united; and there was one pa-
rish, nearly twenty miles in length, in which there,
was only one Church, and scarcely more than one
parson to visit it. The evils of Ireland would be re-
venged sooner or later,
.if their Lordships did not in-
terfere in time. The Vicar-General of Kilkenny was
a respectable man ; but it was not so much of men as
of the general system that he complained. The peo-
ple of Ulster were not in the same melancholy con-
dition with the people of the South, for they were
Protestants, and not afflicted by the most atrocious
code which was ever invented by the perverteJ inge-
nuity of man. It, was not therefore to be wondered
at that they (their Lordships) were hated and disliked.
Why not, he asked, revive the woollen trade, which
was torn from Ireland? At any expense, it would
be desirablo to bring it back. Frederick of Prussia,
a cutthroat and a robber, had said, that to sow he
must reap, and he therefore sowed cotton in the wastes
of Poland. The great matter with respect to Ireland
was, to impress upon the people that their Lordships
were alive to their interests. If that were done, Ire-
land would still prove a mine of wealth to this coun-
try. Above all, however, let the intolerant remnant
of the Penal Code be abrogated. Lord Macartney
supported his opinion, and no man was ever a more
zealous defender of Protestantism than that Noble
Lord. The consummation of Ireland's misfortunes
was completed by the Bills of Discovery, which broke
up every tie of family and kindred, and left to the
hospitable no roof again to hold within it the guest,
if interest prompted the latter to make a discovery.
Ti: last rag of such a system should be repealed.—
There were other things to be done, especially with
the tithes; for in Ireland they.had a Church without
a flock. If Bishops and Parsons without flocks were
to be paid, let them be paid, but in some other man-
ner than by tithe. The Pastors, the real Pastors of
Ireland were the Catholic Priests, who were neither
to be bought nor bribed, and whose conduct was of
the most exemplary nature. The object Of the Clergy
oi..
should be to instruct, to teach the people; but for the
Protestant Minister, he hid no flock to teach. Why,
then, be paid as they..were? The more he said
the. other House, particularly in the recent prOteeili:
lags against- the Sheriff of Dublin and the Otabge-
men, the more he was induced to think that without
Reform they could not much longer governtbe coun-

try. The Newspaparaltad over and Qver again told
Wier Lordslkipst
The LORD CHANCRIXOR.-661kr ! order I
Lord CLIFDEN.—WeII, he was sorry to be out of
order ih making a statement of what their Lordships
knew as well as he .did. One effect, however, of the
ricent proceedings in the other House was, that what-
ever differences existed formerly between Catholics
were now done away, and they. were all united to-
gether, and thank GOD for it ! The Noble Lord here
adverted to the 'state of our finances, which wonld,he
feared, prevent us from maintaining our maritime as-
cendancy. That which had happened might happen
again, and we might see the French land in Ireland,
as they did in 1796 and in 1799 ; and would it not,
therefore, be right to place Ireland in that situation
in which the bribery of the enemy Might not tempt'
her, nor continued oppression alienate her from this
country ? He prayed GOD, however, that such an
event might never happen. He might have said 1
something offensive to delicate ears, and he was sorry
for it ; but he felt within himself that he had only'
done his' duty.
The Earl of DARNLEY observed, that the time'
had now arrived at which, if the evils of Ireland were'
not probed to the bottom, and the axe applied to the
tree, she would prove a source of the greatest weak-
ness to this country. It was tree thit several advan-
tages mentioned by' the Secretary of State had been
granted to Ireland, but 'more for the advantage of
this country than for the benefit of Ireland. If they
bad not taken the debt of that country on them, and,
relieved her from taxation, they would have been
obliged to have declared her in a state of national
bankruptcy. He contended that the conduct of the
other House of Parliament had been to send back in
triumph Like head of the Change party in Ireland, an
Alderman of Dublin and a vender of very bad sta-
tionery at a monstrous price to the Public., • Was that
conciliation ? Ile would not fatigue nor disgust
their Lordships by all the horrible details arising
from the connection of Ireland with England; bat.
he must say that the policy of this country to Ire-
land was to keep her in a constant stateof degradation
and irritation. A leas ned writer in the reign of
James I. had complained that the English laws had
never been properly extended to Ireland. The mis-
fortune of Leland was, that the people detested
the very name of England, because they had not
a fair share of our privileges; and all that he wished
fo; was to obtain an adoption of that only system
of true and conciliatory policy towards Ireland.—
He wished them not to be too sure that it was pos-
sible, in the present state of Europe, much longer to
deny to six millions of Irish Catholics the privileges
of the British Constitution. • Much danger was to be
apprehended from the House of Bourbon becoming
• triumphant in Spain, on a principle favourable to
Catholic superstition. The more they considered it,
the more the House would be convinced that no good
could be done without equal laws, and admitting all
Ireland within the pale of the Constitution. It' this
were not done, it would be in vain to look ulti-
mately to the preservation of Ireland, or to governing
her in peace. It was inconceivable to think that
the peasant of Ireland, especially of Munster, could
be satisfied with the system of tithes, when be saw
the rich Protestant grazier pay not one farthing to
his Pastor, while he is deprived of his produce of po-
tatoes by the agents of a Clergy, the tenets of who,e
church he has been taught to detest and abhor. The
House would do well, therefore, to agree with the
motion, and probe the evil to the bottom. The great
evil was the want of employment, an :I this might be
remedied by making canals, and by other great pub-
lic works. But besides this, every landed proprietor
ought to give employment to as many of the labour-
ing poor of his neighbourhood as he could. Much
good might be done in this way, but still, as long as
Government acted upon the prevent system of keep-
ing down the Catholics, or what was worse, "of
keeping the word of promise to their ear, but break-
ing it to their hopes" he had no expectation that
tranquillity would be restored to that country.
The Earl of GOSFORD said, many measures had
been proposed for the relief of Ireland, but the sys-
tem of maladministration was so interwoven with
that country, that without a complete change very
speedily took place, he much feared they would
have cause to regret it.
The Earl of CALEDON wished the Legislature
to resort to any remedies in the world, rather than
to continue the present system of maladministration
practised in Ireland.
Lord MARYBOROUGH felt strongly on the
subject of his country, to which he was so much at-
tached. No one was better acquainted with the ex-
cellent conduct of the Noble Duke who moved this
question, bat he was sorry to differ with him on this
motion, which implied a censure on the Government,
which le (Lord Maryborough) was attached to, as
well as all former Governments of Ireland. The mo-
tion also conveyed a censure on the Legislature. It
had been stated, that no steps had been taken to give
education to the poor of Ireland, but he begged to
state, that Commissioners were appointed after the
Union, and they found that there was scarcely a Foun-
dation, Royal or otherwise, which had not been
grossly abused, and which they did not remedy.—
These .Commissioners proposed a general plan of
education, which had been partly acted upon. As
to public works, there were sit harbours made by
Parliament, such as Dunleary and Howth harbours.
Besides these things, One million of money had been
advanced to support her .credit. To public works
£500,000 had been advanced, and many other sums,
within the last three or four years. These were but
a few of the advantages which Parliament•had con-
ferred on the people Of Ireland. To the Catholic
College of Maynooth £200,000 had been voted, be-
sides sums voted for new churches and .glebe-houses,
to keep Op a resident Clergy for the instruction of the
people. He believed that theft was no part of in-
land which was without Diocesan Schools. Surely
these things did not shew as if Parliament had neg-
lected the poor of Ireland. The present Administra-
tion had adopted the suggestions of persons opposed
to them, which they thought'svere likely to benefit Ire-
land, such as Sir J. Newport's Commissions to inquire
into abuses in Courts of Justice in Ihtland, as well
as in the 'collection-of the Revenue indent country. No
one, surely, would Say thatthese war not great boons
to Ireland? It bad bend said that the Noble Marquis
.(Wellesky)liad Anne nothing forirekind: betbe
brought into 'Parliament two Bills, one for the .Coto-
position, and the 'other for the Commutation of

Tythea That was more than any former Irish Go-
vernitant had dom. When the Noble Lord (Olftlen)
had talked of taking away tythes, he should have re-
collected that haff the tythes of Ireland were in the
hands of lay impropriators, who exacted them more ,
severely than the Clergy.. The Noble Lord should '
have also recollected that he could not make one law
' for the Clergy, and another for the Laity, so that
if
the lythii. Wert taken-froas the one, they would be
snatched from the other. It was not fair for the
Noble Duke to say that nothing had been done for
Ireland. On these grounds he opposed the motion.
Lord HOLLAND asked if these were the grounds,
on which this motion for enquiry was-to be resisted?
Were they, because • great boons had been granted
to Ireland, to stop all enquiry into the frequent re-
currence of the scenes of violence and discontent,
amounting to almost rebellion? What an ungrateful
people these Irishmen must be to continue in such a
state after so much money bad been granted them for
harbours, canals, bridges, and roads! Bonaparte
might have said, is there any part of Europe that
have not improved with roads, bridges, palaces, &c. 9
and the improvement he had made in the people by
education. The Noble Lord had said nothing about
the improvement made in the people of Ireland.
It had, indeed, •been said, that a very great deal
had been done by education ; but what had all
these boons to do with the present question? The
Resolution did not say that Parliament had at all
shrunk from its duty, or that Parliament had done
nothing for Ireland ; it only said that the frequent
recurrence of violent and unconstitutional laws
skewed there was something wrong in the adminis-
tration of Ireland which called for inquiry. Would
any Noble Lord say that there was nothing wrong
somewhere ?—( Hear, hear)—and if he could not
deny that fact, could he resist voting for the propo-
sition of the Noble Duke? The Noble Lord (Liver-
pool) opposite, on proposing the measures passed in
the last year, had said, GOD forbid that he should
propose them as anything but a temporary mea-
sure! the evil lay deep in the frame of society in
Ireland, and it must be " probed to the bottom:'
After such a declaration, who would suppose that the
Noble Earl, having get his Insurrection Act, would
not go with his spade and delve into the system in
quest of this jewel, which was to cure all evils; but,
instead of that,the Noble Earl contented himself with
plaiting up two miserable flowers, nearly,at the
surface, his cOmmutation and composition of tithes,
his dandelion and his jasmin—(Laughter)—and said
to Noble Lords, now smell to these, here are the cures
for all the evils which Ireland labours under. He had
no objection to this Tithe Bill, but he objected to its
' being quoted before it was in operation. It was now
late in the Session, and he, as an older Member of
that House than the Noble Earl (Maryborough),
' would take the liberty of telling him, that it was not
likely that Bill would pass this year; because expe-
rience taught him, that when measures of this kind
weie proposed, it was said—" This measure is of
great impoitance ; itaffects a number of suitors ; We
Vilest Lae some time ; we must have proper machi-
nery to weave this web, which will protect you all,
and secure your happiness." These operations neces-
sarily took sometime; but when the web was wove,
then came the Noble Penelope of that House, smite-
times with tears in her eyes, to unravel it all.—
The Noble Lord had said, that this motion implied
'censure upon• the noble person at the head of the
Irish Government. He (Lind Holland), as a Member
of Parliament, was obliged to sly with him, that he
was disappointed ; but when he said this, he must at
the same time say, that as far as that great personage
was concerned, he believed him to be sincere in his
wishes towards Ireland. Although he knew the diffi-
culties which that Noble Personage had to contend
with, he (Lord Holland) could not conceal from him-
self that his efforts had failed. The situation of the
Noble Marquis brought to his recollection an anec-
dote, with which he would trouble their Lordships.
In the correspondence of a Noble Duke, which was.
lately under discussion, there was one expression
which frequently occurred, and for an explanation of
which he was called upon by an Irish friend—the
term was 46 false position." His Irish friend said, you
are in the habit of reaclktg diplomatic papers, can you
tell me what is the meaning of " false position?" I
said, " I don't know what it means; perhaps it is
some term in that art in which the noble writer ex-
cels; but .1 know it is a kind of jargon which is
bandied about by Ministers in their correspondence;
perhaps it means that a man has taken a post, in hold-
ing which he must depend more upon his enemies than
his friends." " Then," exclaimed my Irish friend,
" God bless me ! he means his brother"—(Laughter).
—" But perhaps," said 1, it means the case of • a
man putting himself into a situation, from which he
cannot extricate himself with honour to himself or
benefit to his friends." " Why then" said the Irish-
man, "he means his brother—(Considerable laughter).
And I dare say the situation of his brother was con-
tinually crossing his mind whilst he was writing this
dispatch." He contended that Constables Bills and
Quarter Sessions Bills were inadequate to erase from
the minds of a high nation the recollection of years
of sufferings, and that nothing.but conciliation could
make Ireland that firm supporter of England, which
from her situation she was formed to be. He denied
that Government could confer any boon upon the,
people, because it was the duty of Government to do
that which was for the benefit Of the people, whose
servants they were; and above all, he denied that any
boons had been extended to Ireland. In calling on their
Lordships to support this motion, he called upon them
to do that which had never been done, namely, to
give a pledge that there was a desire to afford to Ire-
land impartial justice.
The Earl of LIMERICK said, the disturbances
were confined to the lower orders of the people; the
better class of the Catholics, and the Priesthood, tried
in vain to deter them. He had met many Captain
Reeks, and some of them had told him that their ob-
ject was to drive away the heretics. But Catholics
of property, as well as Protestants, were attacked,
tbeir property burnt, or otherwise destroyed, and
themselves murdered indiscriminately by these mis-
creants. It was new ,to him to be informed, that in
Ireland there was one law 'for the rich and another
for the poor.. .He wished that the Catholic Clergy of
Ireland would go abroad to be educated, as he was
'sere they would return better Catholics and beam
Irishmen... The best thing for the poor. of Ireland'
would be to find them employment, and for this pur-
poite they might encourage and give a bounty for the

reorganization of the woollen manufactr.!l, W-•;:cA
King William, whom the idlits of theday had stde
their idol, idol, suppressed, because it interfered with the
woollen wade of England. He wished to neat that
' question impartially; but he would rely, that as the
' Noble Lords opposite had . done much foe Irelaa4
they would yet do more.
Lord KING hoped that these who voted again*
a.motion for inquiry would read the Insurrection An,
which he believed was the only efkcient Act this Se„.
sion, .and one certainly more fitted fox a slave islanl
than a free country. That country was exactly is the
same state it bad been in for the last tisenty.three
years. In fact, the principle of the Li h Goverrone,,t
was a complete paradox They had a sound and ii.
beral Constitution established which was the sport 4
factions. The Church of England had been tract,,
planted there. but anything but peace and g00d„.4
preSailed. They had an esubet ant soil, with atittuk
ant misery. His opinion was, that the people wolf
always what the Government made them; atd
suck indeed was the Government of that coaraff,.
that the name of Ireland was a disgrace to the 64:
Used world. If their Lordships refused to go int.
inquiry now, they would add to the triumph of that
factioa which was perhaps 'even then enjoying the
Itriumph of the 0. ange hero on his return from a vii,.
grimage to the &relish Legislature. • .
The Duke of LEINSTER, in adverting to the li,
stitution for the promotiOn of Education in I.ciaM,
said, that he had left it two years ago because of i:s
conduct, and if some reformation vete n,;t made,
could not stand.

The Marquis of L ANSDOWN was noxious, hef,..e
he rose, to have heard from the Noble L,rd rypcs•
site why, after Cie interval of a year, the promische
had made that the evils of Leland shoald be probed
to the very bottom, had never yet been redeemed,
although Ireland was in a more dangerous state than
she had been in since the Rebellion of 1798? The
Noble Earl had done him much honour, by saying
that the remedies which he (the Marquis-of Lang.
down) had suggested, had been adopted; hot the
Noble Maiter of the Mint, afraid that he should be
intoxicated with too much praise, had taken care
inform the Ilouse that he had all those 14:medics is
his mind, though they had not then been br, ught
into action. Some of those measure, had irmn acted
upon, and others not been brou,,;lit into I lay at all,
As to Sir John Newport's Bill, to allow the impost
of Irish corn into this country, it was a measure
of the most clear and obvious justice; for how
could we expect Ireland to take broad cloth, hard.
ware, and our other manufactures, it we did not
in turn take provisions from her, which was, in-
deed, known to be her principal article of commerce?
With respect to roads, and other public milks, they
would find that they were still made perfect jobs, be-
cause they were done by presentments; and in pilaf-
.of this, he read the Report of one of the Civil Engi-
neers employed by Government. Yet the Noble Lord
selected Grand Jury Presentments as one of the pion
in which Ministers and Parliament had benefitted
Ire-
land. He denied that the bounty of Parliament had
been granted in support of the existing Catholic
Schools under the direction of the Priests, and he
wished to know why it had not been so granted; Gar
he could not see the statesmanlike policy of saying
that an uneducated Catholic could become a better
subject than one who had received the advantages of
'education? Why had not the national system of ect-
(cation been adopted, which was to have been accom-
plished by taking two-and-a-half per cent. from the
Church property ? When the Insurrection Act, or any
other violent unconstitutional Act was to be passed, it
was hurried through Parliament with most indecent
haste; but the warm recommendatiOns of the most
respectable Commoners, when they interfered with
local interests, or individual abuses, were passed over
unattended to. Nothing but bad institutions could
I have produced the evils under which Ireland laboured,
and therefore it was not to ordinary means that we
could look for the extinction of evils of such over-
whelming magnitude, and certainly not to weak or
paltry measures. It was only by a firm determination
to uphold the existing laws that were good, and to
part with those that were bad, that any one could look.
for the affections of the people, or for what was by
some thought of more consequence, the preservation
of Ireland, to assist us in the day of our danger and
distress. In Ireland they had a Church separated front
the great body of the people, and which had no hold
of them in the way of moral improvement. He was
sorry for this, but there was no use to concealit. They
had also an idea in Ireland labouring under the strong
suspicions on the part of the people, that the late was ,
not their friend, and that through it they could sat
look for protection. Out of 2540 offices, to which Ca-
tholics might enter by law, there wereonly 160 occu-
pied by Catholics. This must convince the Home
that there must be something done to pull up theft&
sent system by the roots, in order to.plant a new me
deep in the affections of the peOple. lie could not*
noticing one subject as operating with great effect in
forming combinations in Ireland, namely, the rooted
opinion amongst the lower classes, as to the super_ior
sanctity of an oath taken amongst themselves, how"
ever opposed the engagement might be to their
legiance, or their moral duties in society. He la-
mented that in the inquiry in the House of Colman,
some nights since, when a person of education want
questioned as to a particular fact, he alleged aim ex-
cuse for not making 'disclosures—his oath of secrecy,
that when this circumstance occurred, on which the
eyes of the country *ere fixed, the opportunity should
not have been taken of checking the perniciousbelk_ra
of the sum for sanctity of such engagements, and a
giving the law a triumph.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL assured their lordships
thati
thfhaen that of their
hadconsultedLohirs
sdperhig henal csrovuleaaienb:oes
rather
t proposedan
not, wolhoawdejvoeurrn, medontthazf
btuhtisthdrieswcuhssiimons.di He
their indulgence, in case he should fail to make biro.
self intelligible. With regaid to the motion'of the
.
Noble Duke, he did. not think it was one which that
Lordships Ought to assent to. He regretted'the call'
mities of Ireland, and ad:bitted the expediency
taking measures to remove them. But the
went far. beyond this,•.for it wept to thrOWthe'whillP
weight of those calamities upon his Majesty's Gore!'
meat. He would "not. folio* the example •of thole
who hid gonelnto the .ancient pricy of the Oiler_
smut of Ireland :4ie did not mean to dereid.ft-
Hut
with reference to its modern Governrialt, O?"
:men justly said that no period had ever been iv