Star.
London, England, 1805-02-05 00:00:00

SPANISH PAPERS.

. Mr. GREY rofe to a& when the other papers, for
which he had moved, might be expthed to be laid
on the table ?

The 'CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER,
in reply, mentioned chat he was in immediate ex-
peraation of their arrival. They were accordingly
delivered out to the Members before the Houfe ad-
journed.
Mr. GREY, after all the information which the
papers already moved for contained, (till exprefred
hirnfelf of opinion that there were feveral important
deficiencies to be fupplied, and points of the higheft
confequence to be explained. The deficiencies at
prefect ceiling were, of papers from the office of the
Secretary for the Foreign Department, and the
Board of Admiralty. Of the latter he fhould, at
prefent, fay nothing, becaufe all the papers he had
moved for were not yet produced, and till they were
on the table he could not afcertain to what extent
the deficiency of evidence crafted. As to the defici-
encies from the Secretary of State's Office, he had to
offer a few obfervations. What, in the firft place,
he vilified to afcertain was, whether, previous to the
ad of June, down to the a4th of November, there
exilled any papers illuftrative of the Reps taken by
our Minifters to obtain any fatisfadory explanation
of the terms of the treaty of St. Ildefonfu. He was
all') anxious to know whether, during the long inter-
val betwixt the 21ft of January and the sgth of No-
vember, no inftruiaions whatever were given by Lord
Hawkefbury, or the perfon who fucceeded him in
the office of Foreign Secretary, to our Minifter at
Madrid, on the fubjeti in difpute betwixt the two
countries. If no filch initrudions were given, it was
fit that this fhould be Rated to the Houle. If, on
the other hand, inaruelions were given, it was pro-
per that the Houfe fhould be in poireffion of them, to
enable them to forma fair judgment of the whole of
this very extraordinary negociation. On a former
day he had moved for a copy of all information re-
ceived of the oatfage of French troops through the
Spanifh territories, referred to in Mr. Frere's dif-
patch of the gth of September. It was quite clear,
that in confequence of the remonarances of our
Minifler, the future pelage of French troops through
Spain was prevented ; but while this was admitted,
it was equally evident that fome explanations took
place on the fubjed. Now, it was very important
fur the Houle to know what thefe explanations were
—but the Houle had hitherto no intOrmation on the
fubjed. The exiftence of thefe explanations was in
deed fufficiently evident, from references in the dif-
' patches of the a4th of November ; but the Houfe
knew not in what (pink they were couched, or to
what extent they proceeded. Refperaing the Con-
venticle alluded to in the Correfpondence, he was now
convinced, thrt what the Right Honourable Gentle-
man oppofite (Mr. Pitt) had Rated, was corral—
that fuch an agreement between the Government of
Spain and the Government of this country had no
exiftence. But it was quite as manifea that the Spa-
nifh Government did, in confequence of what had
taken place in various conferences with our Minifter,
ruppofed that thcir neutrality was to depend on cer-
tain underflood conditions. In various parts of the
Correfpondence it appeared that Minifters had made
various demands for a copy of the Treaty, by which
Spain was to furniffi fublidiary refources to France.
He wifhed to be informed whether Minifters were
ever in poffetlion of an official copy of thisdocument ?
The knowledge of this fa& was highly intereftioa,
becaufe it would be poffible to form an eilimate, whe-
ther the terms of it differed widely from thole terms
on which, in the firft inßance, our forbearance was
founded ; whether it was materially contrary to the
principles on which there was a chance of the prefer-
vation of Spanifh neutrality; or whether Spain, at the
time the rupture took place, had (hewn any difpofi-
tion to alter her conelnd in any way likely to affect the
interefts of this country'? It was not attempted to be
denied, in the papers already on the table, /bat very
important conferences had taken place betwixt the
Spanifh Ambaffador here and the Secretary for
the Foreign Department. The Chevalier d'An-
duaga alluded to the conferences in various parts
of his difpatches. It was fair to prefume, not
only that thefe difpatches were highly interefting, but
it was not at all unlikely that the principal part of the
difeuffion that took place was committed to writing.
The Spanifh Ambaffador (poke in his difpatches of
explanations, which thefe conferences produced, and
it would furely be very Range indeed, if the Sem- I

'tar? for the Foreign Department nevet communicated
any part of the difcuffions to our Mmitter at Madrid,
as affording him a rule for the regulation of his con
dud in the courfe of the various dile-onions which
took place on all the points in difpute. From the Che-
valier d'Anduaga's difpatches of the 3d of Anguft,
it was quite undeniable, that the reuiterence of the
29th and 3oth of Auguft involved matters of the
highelt confequence. In the whole of that difpatch
it was plain that his Excellency viewed them in that
light, and it was not lets obvious that in a fimilar
light he had reprefented them to his Court. If he
attached fo much confequence to them, was it pre-
fuming too much to fuppofe that they mull have been
at least equally interefting to our Minifter at Madrid?
—lt was next to an impoffibility that he fhould have
been left altogether ignorant of their principal im-
portance ; but not a word of what had taken place
betwixt Lord Hawkefbury, his fucceffor, and the
Spanifh Ambaffador, appeared in the papers already
on the table. The Houk, however, ought not to be
kept in the dark refpeding any part of fo interefting
a bufinefs, and he certainly did think, that if any do-
cuments connected with ibefe conferences were in ex•
iftence, they ought to be produced. He fhould there-
fore feel it his duty to move for the production of all
the Notes which might have been prefented at thofe
different conferences to which the Spanifh Ambaffa-
dor refers in various parts of his difpatches, and on
which he appears to lay peculiar fires, as if, in their,
the terms of the Spanifh neutrality had been in a
great meafure adjufted. He next wifhed to call the
attention of the Houle to the two Notes of the Spa-
nifh Minifter on the 4th and the iith of November,
in which he gives an official explanation of the Rate
of the Spanifh armaments. It was important for the
Houfe then to know what was the information on
which Minifkers proceeded when the orders for the
detention of the Spanifh frigates were iffued. It was
material to compare the intelligence received from
our Naval Officers abroad, with the folemn afro-
rances and explanations given by the Spanith Am-
baffador refident at our Court. Till this information
was before the Houfe, it was impotlible to determine
how far thefe orders were or were not called for by
the aatal Rate of things. If Minillers had any fuch
information, the Houfe had a right to demand it.—
If Minifters had no fuch information, it was not at
all very doubtful what opinion ought to be entertain-
ed of them fur iffuing the orders. The Hon. Mem-
ber alto expreffed a defire to have all letters or dif-
patches which tookplace from February to May 1804,
produced. It was fair to prefume that letters of an
important kind were written during that interval. In
the letter of the 'ft of May a letter of the ifith of
February is referred to, and he wifhed to have that
letter produced, as affording Come explanation of the
manner in which any expectation of the continuance
of Spanith neutrality could be preferred. He had
thought it his duty to throw out thefe obfervations,
not with the view of embarraffing Government, but
folely with the objeft of coming, with full informa-
tion, to the difcuffion of a fubjed which he could not
help confidering one of the moll momentous which
ever was fubmitted to the decifion of the Houfe of
Commons. As to the deficiencies from the Board of
Admiralty he fhould at prefent fay nothing, till he
had an opportunity of teeing whether the papers he
had moved for were fatisfadorily produced.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
anfwered, that, with refped to fuch of the papers as
belonged to the department of the Admiralty, they
would be fpeedily laid before the Houfe ; and, with
refped to the letters of M. D'Anduaga, loch of them
as were at all necetTary to throw any light, or com-
municate any neceffary information upon the fubjeft,
were already before the Houfe, as well as the fub-
Rance of any communication which had taken place,
and could be deemed officially authentic and mate-
rially important ; but, with refped to the mere
written memorandums of the fubftance of any con.
ference wish M. D'Anduaga, as alluded to by the
Honourable Member, they were not figned by either
party, and therefore were not confidered in the light
of official documents, and confequently they were
not laid before the Houfe. How far the feveral pa-
pers forthcoming might be found to anfwer the Hon.
Member's purpofe, he was not now competent to
fay : he could, however, allure the Hon. Gentle-
man, that the utrnoft diligence had been ufed to
comply, as fully as poffible, with the avowed object
of 'his former motions. When the papers fhould be
-laid on the table. they would be accompanied by a
fchedule, from which the Hon. Member would fee
at a glance how far his purpofe was anfwered. It
was not his (Mr. Pitt's) defire to withhold any do-
cument or information, which could with propriety
be difclofed : and as to the accounts of conferences
which the Honourable Gentleman *poled to have
taken place within certain periods by him fpecified,
he begged leave to fay, there were none, Pave thofe
already Rated in the papers before the Houfe. With
refped to the communication of which his Mak.fty's
Government was fuppofed by the Hon. Gentleman
to be in poffeffion, from Tome other quarter refpeft-
ing the particulars of the Spanifh Treaty with France,
he could affure the Hon. Member, that thrush Go-
vernment was certainly apprifed, that the rreaty
did malt very loon after it was made, and were en-
abled to form tome conjectures as to its tendency,
yet they never were officially furnifhed with any au-
thentic account of the minute particulars, through
any channel ; and all the knowledge they had of
this Treaty was already before the Houfe.
_ _

Mr. FOX firongly contended for thi importance
of having fuch explanations as took place at different
conferences alluded to in the difpatches laid before
the Houfe. The explanations contained in the con-
ferences of the 9th and the Both of March, mull, from
the language of the letter of the IR of May, have been
highly interefling. and ought, by all means, to be
produced.—The Right Hon. Gentleman (the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer) had indeed (Wed, That mere
Notes, prefented by an Ambaffador, perhaps merely
offering a private opinion, and not authorized by his
Court, could not afford any information to the Houfe.
He, for his pa►t, begged leave to argue that this was
not a fair view of thelubjed. It was not poffible to
conceive from tile language of the Spanint Ambafra-
dor, when alluding to explanations which had taken
place at conferences, that he delivered in unautho-
rized Notes. It was, on the contrary, quite evident
that he alludes to authorized explanations, in which
h; laid down tbe principles and views of his Court. It
was impoflible to believe that the Notes which paffed
on fuch occalion were uninterelling. The prefump•

tion was certainly direaly the reverie. and the Houle
ought to have an opportunity of exercifing their jud-
ment on the fubjea. He was therefore anxious for
the prodttaion of all fuch explanations as would tend
to throw light on this molt interefting ftihjea. There
WAS in the pernfal of the Papers a circumstance which
puzzled him confiderably, and which requited a good
deal of explanation. Our Minifter, Mr. Ftere, in a
letter of the t zth of November, Hated, that in con-
fequence of fume dircullions with the Prince of Peace,
he fhould demand a conference. Now it was a mat-
ter of fume confequence to alcertain sshether ever this
conference took place, and if it did take place, what was
the refult of it, or what explanation it produced. It
WAS hardly to be fuppofed that it fhouid not have
been demanded after Mr. Frere, in a letter to the Se-
cretary for the Foreign Department, had expreffed
an opiniqn of its expediency. But the !ionic had not
a tittle of information on the fubjea. He withed to
have this deficiency, with thofe pointed out by his
Honourable Friend, fully fupplied, previous to en.
tering on the general quellion.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEO4JER
laid, he felt Come difficulty in anfwering fpecihcally
to the feveral papers mentioned this night—but he
felt no difficulty in anfwering generally, that it was
the cornett defire and intention of his Majeftv's Mi-
nifiers to communicate every thing to the Houfe they
conceived to be at all important, and they had :sa-
nd to the belt of their judgment, in Met conformity
to that with.

Mr. GREY argued. that the notes given in by the
Spann Ambaffador at the conferences alluded to,
were, if not official, at moil, important documents.
They were reprefentations of the principles and policy
of the Spanifh Government; and in that light were
highly requifite to guide the judgment of the Houle.
Thar they were merely minutes and not figned in
the ufual diplomatic flyle, was a matterof no con&
deration. Their fpirit was not on account of their
form at all affeCted. He ihould eherefore to-morrow,
move for copies of the notes delivered, and of expla-
nations which took place at thofe conferences to which
the Spann Ambalfddor in his letters alluded. In the
mean time the difcuffion terminated.

WAYS AND MEANS.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in
addition to the notice he had already given, of rub.
milting to the Houfe fome refolutions refpeaing the
Loyalty Loan, on Wednefday next, faid, that he
lhould, on this day fortnight, bring forward the
Ways and Means for the fervice of the year.
Mr. GREY here moved, that copies of any notes
which paired between Lord Hawkefbury and M.
D'Anduaga, on the sgth and 30th of Augoft, and
the Ift of September, 1803, be laid before the
Houfe.—Ordered.

ARMY iSTIMATES.
The SECRETARY at WAR rote to move the
Eitimates for the Military Service of the year. He
(hould have the honour to follow the example of thee
who preceded him, whole ability he ihould be proud
to emulate. In laying before the Committee the ar-
rangement of the public force in the prefent year, as
compared with the paR, he Ihould Rate the difference
of increafe or decreafe, and the caufes which had oc •
curred to create fuch difference. The Right Hon.
Secretary then proceeded (portly to the detail of his
fubjea, that under the head of Guards at.d Garrilons,
there was a confiderable increafe in the ex pence of
this year, upon a comparifon with the la It, owing
to the addition of 20 men, rank and file, to each of
nine regiments. That there would be a confiderable
rednition of expence, under the head of Army of
Referve ; for of the 16 battalions kept open in the
tall year througkout the country, all :he men advanc-
ed in years, or (port in Rature, or boys not arrived
at full growth, were formed into three battalions in-
Read of t 6, the reit being drafted into other regi-
ments—thefe battalions it was propofed to keep up at
720 men each, and by this arrangement a very con-
Utterable faving would be effdled in the pay of Of-
ficers. Under the head of Barracks, though a very
confiderable redudion had taken place, yet (till the
expence would be unavoidably great. So long as the
menace or danger of invafion continued, there mutt
be Barracks kept up on the coif for so,ooo men.—
Having gone through his Ratements, he proceeded to
move the feveral Eftimates, according to the follow+
ling Schedule :
Guards, Garrifons, &e. For Gt. Britain. For Ireland.
maw - - 43,313428 x 8 1,228,391 IX •
Forces in the Plantations,
46,932 - 1,424,920 11 7
General and Staff Officers,

with a State of the Par-
tieulars of the Chaco ata,t66 t 8 6 76,691 4 g
India Forces, 20,145 - 471,461 olt
Troops and Companies for
recruiting ditto, 460 - 25,410 1g 4
Recruiting St Contingencies 50,000 0 0 125,866 7 ;
Embodied Militia and Fen-

cible Infantry, 103,328 2p49,712 o I 614,00 18 I
Continganies for ditto - so,coo o o • 5692 6 a
Clothing for ditto - 198,793 0 0
Full Pay to Su pernume-

vary (Meets - 33.334 4 It 1,135 z 9
Offices - - t 82,867 7 8 8,971 I 2
Allowance to Innkeepers,
&c. - - - 357,000 o o 1t9,699 S
Half Pay and Military
Allowances - 150,000 0 0 31,288 16 5
—Ditto—American Forces 50,003 0 0
—Ditto—Scotch Brigade ',coo 0 0
In-Penfioners of Chelfea & _

Kilmainham Hofpitals 30 481 1 5 22,746 18 0
Out-Pcnfioners of ditto 167,984 8 4 28,185 3 7
Widows' Penfiona - 23,237 19 5 6.000 0 0
Foreign Corps, 17,386 827,092 a I 24,157 8 3
Hofpital Expeoces (Ireland) 20,623 11 10
Royal Military College
(with the General Stair,

and particulars of the
Senior and Junior De-
partments) - - r i.3r5 6 4
Royal Military Afyluna 23,458 6 a
Barrack Department (Ire-
land) - - -

483.698 II 8

10,059,764 3 4
471,461 0 11

2,807,187 S 3

Deduct for India Faren

Total 9,588,303 a 5 2,8,4487 5 3
On moving that item which regards the force of
20,145 men for India fervice,
Mr. FRANCIS wilhed to be informed, whether
this force was exclutive of the Company's European
forces in India, as he underltood the European force
iu the Company's fervice there at prcfent was not
above eight or nine thoufand men. •
The SECRETARY at WAR anfwered, that there
were exchilive of the Company's own European
troops, which, however, very confiderably exceeded
the number [teed by the Honourable Member,
though he believed they fell fhort of 30,000 men.

I.7twln the Refolotion tefpeding Officers of the Staff.
Mr. CALCRA FT laid, it was not his with unne-
eeffaray to delay or interrupt the Committee, but he
eotild not fuiTer this item in the eflimate to pafs un-
noeced. Elie charge for General Officers, he laid,
wa. moll enormous, and how Inch a number could
be deemed neceffary,l.e was utterly at a lots to ac-
t ',tint. In England there were. he obferved, no leG
thin 136 General Officers ; in Scotland 17 ; in Ire.
57 ; which, with one in Guernfey, and another
in jerky. made the whole number no lefs than 212 :
a thing, he fad, quite unparalleled in the hillory of
the country, in any age ; and the necellity for which,
it would have become the Right Hon. Gentleman to
have explaine.! in a left fummary way than he had
been pleated to do. With refped to the Volunteer
rorce of the country, it was fold, that a great num-
ler Stall efticer) were neceirary to attend to their
oifeirline ; but to his knowledge, thole Corps for
tome time pall had been by no mean,' In numerous
on their parades, or in the field, as heretofore ; and it
appeared to him, that a great many more people
were employed to attend to thofe Corps than were at
ail occefiiry.

The SLCRETARY at WAR replied, that the
Hon. Gentleman enjiled an opportunity un the pre-
fent occariun, in combating thofe items i, his elli•
mates from the aid of a trinted fflimate, which he
would not have bat for his (Mr. Dundas's) good
nature in acceding to his motion fur that purpofe on
a former night ; as this was almuft the only inflame
of fuch an eftimate being brought forward to a Com-
mittee in the printed form. The Honourable Gen-
tleman complained that the number and expence of
General Officers was unparalleled in the hiftory of
the country. But did he reflesl alfo, that the occa-
lion was unparalleled ? That the neeeffity of keeping
up an army of 600,000 men to guard againit inva-
fion was unparalleled? or if it had not been for that
volunteer force, which the Hon. Gentleman now
Teemed to think of fo little importance, and produc-
tive of 61 much orders expence, the dangers which
menaced the country would have built over our
heads, and we thould be involved in all that ruin fo
happily averted by their patriotic fpirit and gallantry.
Mr. CALCRAFT replied, that as long as he had
a feat in that Houfe, he (hould feel it his right and
his duty to end, either from the good nature of the
Right Hon. Gentleman, or any other who might fiil
hi itati, n, or from the authoritative influence of the
the produdion of printed eliimates ; fur when
fn enormous a portion of the public money was to be
voted, I.e thougkt the Houfe had as good a right to
ex.in.ine printed eftimates, as upon any other lead
of pi:blic expenditure.
Mr. KINNAIRD congratulated the Houfe upon
the acquit.tion of a Secretary at War, who polfefted
not tmy lo much good nature as the Right Hon.
Gentleman, but fo much of another quality as to
I,oi iof ;t. However, he 11:nitclf concurred in opi-
r:mi with the Hon. Member w:to fnnke !all, that a
toe ,t deal of unnecelfare expence was 'availed in
the pay of Infpeding Brig:,diers to the Volunteer
Corps, and theft too were always at variance with the
eld Ficid Officers, appointed to fuperintend thole
Corps, to that it was to be apprehended, their di(
cures would at length break out into fometbing ex-
tremely fetious to the publi.; fervice.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
replied, that a confider.tble number of Generals were
=oi:try loth for putting in motion thofe numerous
Corps of Volunteers, and for improving their difci-
yline. It mull be recollefled that of 306,000 effec-
tive Whams in this country, no lefs than 540,00 t•
luve been reported as fit for fervice. Such a nume-
rous bcly of Volunteers forming a powerful and
efficient force, required a number of Brigadier•Gene-
tals, not only to improve their difcipline, but to let
them in motion if neceffary, and to take the corn-
=and of them.

Mr. WHITBREAD obferved, that the reprefen-
tation given by the Chancellor of the Exchequer of
the Rate of our Volunteer force was very encourag-
ing. S:4l,however, it was incumbent on him to thew
that the difcipline of this force was promoted by the
Brigadier-Generals. The fad was, in his opinion,
that their difcipline was not promoted by there Ge-
nerals. With regard to the returns adverted to by
the Right Hon. Gentleman, the Infpeding Field
Officers were fully competent to anfwer that pur-
pofe. This fort of eßahlifhment had grown up by
degrees. First, the Infpc6tng Field Officers were
znpoint,:d—then the Brigadier-Genera:s--then the
Major• Generals, and fo on. If any of there could,
in confillency with the Volunteer difcipline, be dif-
renfed with, the expence ought certainly to be Caved.
They were unnecetfary for the difcipline of the Vo-
lunteers, and the Infpeeling Officers were fully ca•
rabic of nsaking the necelfary returns. What pupae
then could be anfwered by this large eltablifhment ?
He agreed with an Hon. Gentleman who had fpoken
a little before, that great inconveniences were likely
to rcfult from the want of its being properly aim-
tained how the Volunteer Officers were to rank with
theft of the Regular and Militia Forces, and from the
circumflance, in cafe they were called upon to ad, of
their being placed in fituations, the duties of which
they might not, perhaps. he fully competent com-
pletely to under.land. If the purprfe for which there
Generals were appointed were a neceffary one.ithcn.
certainly, the rum was (mall. If it were not needf
fary, then the film was by tar too great to he lightly
expended in the prefent situation of the country.
Mr. CALCRAFT wifhed to fay one word mr,re
A. 4.1) rcfpe.ft to the difference of the eflimates of the
Li and tne prefent year. On this fubjed be had now
pert Zed an authentic document, and he found the
eii:e:rence to be I 30,c001. welly, as he had as Grit
fisted it. He had made the obfervation as htituhly
as he could, and notwithstanding the manner in which
it !lad been received, he now found that he was per-
fe!,.ty corrcd. The refolution was then agreed to.
Tne next was, that the fum of 2,563,7511. 'Ss. 2d.
be granted fur the charge of the embodied Militia
an,t Cr rps of Fencihle Infantry in the United King-
.lorn of Great Britain and Ireland, and cf. the Royal
Cop of Miners of Devon and Cornwall.
Mr. CALCRAFT obferved, that the Ellimate was
brought forward for the purpofe of maintaining the
Militia according to the prefent eflablament. In the
ouferra!'ons made by the Secretary at War, he on-
L: that it was intended to reduce the Militia.
As the erri.mation teemed to be at variance with the
eiraate. he walled to know whether it was *dually
il.%%itti that the Militia fficuld be reduced?

1 Le t. tIANC:ELLOR of the EXCHEQIJE R (aid,

•
that the vote was taken for the whole of the number,
in the fame manner as if it was to be continued in its
prefent Rate, becaufe the men were to be maintained,
though not in the Militia. He thought this a proper
opportunity to give notice that it was in contempla-
tion to reduce the Militia to its ancient
and to transfer the difference between that and the
piefent ettabliihment to the regular army. A variety
of cireumllances rendered this both a DeCalty and
a proper regulation, as he united would appear wiled
the matter came to he laid before the Houle.
Mr. JOHNSTON obferved that the railing of this
additional number of men mutt be provided for fame '
way or other, and that it would probably require a
larger Turn in the event of their being transferred to '
the regular army, than if they were (till to be retain-
ed in the militia.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER re-
plied, that the furn was fo great, that it would in all
probability completely anfwer its purpofe.—Refolu-
tion agreed to.
The next motion moved was, that the rum of
63,6921. fhould be granted for the contingencies of
the embodied Militia, and Fencible Infantry in the
United Kingdom.—Agreed to.
It was then moved, that the film of 10,7931.
fhould be granted for the charge of cloaihing the
embodied Militia.—Agreed to.
It was next moved, that the (urn of 34,4691. 6s. Bd.
be granted for the charge of full pay for Supernume-
rary Officers.—Agreed to.
The next motion was, that 595,8381. Bs. sod, be
granted for the falaries and fees of the Officers of dif-
ferent War Departments in Great Britain and Ire.
land.—Agreed to.
It was then propofed that the furn of 476,6991. 31.
fhould be granted for paying innkeepers and others
for quartering foldiers, for lodging-money to the in-
habitants of North Britain who may quarter foldiers,
for an allowance of Non-commiflioned Officers and
Private Men for fmall beer, and for an allowance to
the fame while on a march in Ireland.
Mr. FULLER had no okjedlion to an allowance
for extraordinary circumdances. He waked, how-
ever, to advert to the heavy charges on thole coun-
ties on whole coatis 80,000 men had been encamped.
The counties had to pay, in a great meafure, for
the carriage of the baggage of this number of men,
which added prodigioufly to the county rates. As
it was a matter of general concern, he hoped that
when the Army Extraordinaries were brought for-
ward, it would be attended tn.
The SECRETARY at WAR wifhed to convelft
:th the Hon. Gentleman on the fubjed, and if it
was a cafe that required a remedy one ought cer-
tainly to be applied. Refolution agreed to.
It was then moved, that the lust of 181,2881.
16s. sd. fhould Le granted f-r the half-pay and al-
lowances to the reduced Officers of the Land Forces
in the Waited Kingdom.—Agreed to.
The next Refolution was, that the furn of so,cool.
be allowed for the half-pay and allowances to the
Reduced Officers of his Majefty's Forces in America.
—Agreed to.
It was next moved, that ',cool. be granted for
half-pay to the reduced Officers of the Scotch Bri-
gade.—Agreed to.
The next Refolution was, that a funs of 1,782,1821.
Could be granted for the Barrack Department.
Mr. KINNAIRD afked whether feveral of the
Barracks that were very flenderly built were to be
continued, or were of a temporary nature ?
The SECRETARY at WAR replied that they
were rather of a temporary nature, built in hafle
from the neceffitv of circumftances.
Mr. KINNAIRD obferved, that the reafon for
his afking was, that many of the barracks were uo-
fafe to live in. He did not mean to fay that as a
temporary meafure this might not be very proper,
but if it had been intended to make them permanent,
he would have made a motion on the fubjed. Reid-
lotion agreed to.
The following rums were then voted without any
comments :

For the pendant of Chelfca and Kilmainham
hofpirals - - £196,169 tt It
For the penfions of officer's widows - 29,237 I? 5
For the expences of foreign asps - - Ss [JP" 6 4
For the general hofpital expenses of Ireland - 20,522 It to
For the Royal Military College - - 13.315 6 4
For the Royal Military Afylunt - - 13,458 6 t