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chewer, -
a person on the Premises.
Further particulars may be had of Alexander Murray, Esq.
Symond's-lnn. Landau ; or of E. Twopenny, Esq. Sandier,
Rochester.

and therefore no charge .
for particuhrlsing them as comb within Its operation.
Colonel WOOD commented on severalxiauses of the Bill,
nod enumerated various eases which it contemplated. Ile un-
derstood that it was the Intention of his Hosourable Friend to
Introduce a clause in favour of that notable vagrant, Prowls—(A
laugh).—But in his opinion it would be much' better to leave
Pond as be was. The Hon. Member, in the course of some
other abounakiss, said, that a dhtinction ought always to be
made between who begged from destitution, and those
who wo wMi begging from vagrant habits The latter de-
n:Asthma et wow should, in his opinion, be punished with im-
prisonment for midi periods as the nature of desk offences might
render diem Bibb to. He was decidedly Opposed to the prim.
cipleaSsing vagrants from one part of thecountry to another.
k entailed was considerable, and he found that the
yew bee ll waseunted to .ClOO,OOO. Having said thus
muck be should now support the motion for the second reading
of the 1,4.
Mr. HURST commented generally on the imperfect state of
the Vagrant Laws, which, in the course of 40 years experience
as a Magistrate, he was not able to comprehend.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY was certainly of opinion that the existing
laws were highly objectionable, and ought to be revised.
Mr. LYTTLETON supported the motion.
Mr. P. MOORE expressed his hope that the several dames
would be consolidated in one Act of an efficient nature. He cer-
tainly wished that an exception should be made in favour of that
very attractive personage Poach, who was such a source of en-
tertainment wherever he appeared.
Mr. Alderman WOOD spoke in favour of the general pris-
ciple of the measurea—.—The Bill was then read a second
and ordered tote referred to a Select Committee, the ligiabere
of which were ioted.
Sir ROBERT WILSON moved for Copies dell Imarmeislos
given by the Commissioners of Excise to thek 41.01,0 hr the
,seizere of Roasted Wheat, and other preparation sold under the
name of " Breakfast Powder," and for an amount of the num-
ber of prosecutions pending.—Ordered.
Mr. A BERCROMBY, seeing the Right Hon. Gentleman
the Secretary for Ireland in his place, wished to know if any
further steps had been taken in the case in which the Chief
Baron of Ireland was concerned? It was due to the Public to
set the matter at rest as soon as possible; and it was equally due
to the Learned Judge in question, to relieve him from the pain-
ful situation in which he was placed. Hitherto, however, nothieg
that be was aware of bad been done, though the Session was now

considerably advanced.
Mr. GOULBURN said, it has quite Impossible for him to'
give a definitive answer to the question of the Hon. Member, or
to state how soon the Parliamentary Commission which had
been appointed would nuke their Report. AU he could my was,
that previously to his leaving Ireland he made inquiries on the
subject, and was informed that the Report might be expected to
come before the House at no distant period.
Mr. ABRRCROMBY felt quite satisfied that no delay had
occurred on the part of the Right Honourable Gentleman.—
It appeared, however, that there was a remissness somewhere,
and If the Report was not made immediately after Easter, he
should certainly move for Papers to shew from what quarter
the delay proceeded.
The Report of the Summary Proceedings Bill was taken into
further consideration, and the Bill ordered to be recommitted
on Tuesday.
The Report of the Irish Five per Cents. Bill was taken into
consideron, and after some remarks from Mr. Romano as to
the arrangements with respect to time, and a few words from
Sir Jonas Newman. which were replied to by the CnAlscutoa
of the Exesneausa, Ike Report was agreed to, and the BB read
a thud time and
Sir JOHN NEWPORT brought up the Report of the Com-
mittee ea Public Records.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. CROK ER hoped the which had been received from
the Lords that day, for enabling two Commissioners of the Ad-
miralty to be a quorum, would be passed through all its stages
as expeditiously as possible, as it was a measure on which
no difference of opinion existed, and one the delay of which
would cause much public inconvenience.—The Bill was shortly
afterwards read a first and second time, and ordered to be com-
mitted. It subsequently passed through a Committee, was re-
potted, and read a third time, and passed.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved for a Return of the Stamps
issued for Newspapers in 1800, distinguishing those for London
Journals from dice, which were for Country Papers; and also
a similar Return for 1810.—The motion was agreed to.

Mr. BENNET moved for an Address to the Crown, pray-
ing that Accounts of the nett produce of the Four and a Half
per Cent. Dudes, and the manner in which the same were ap-
propriated, should be laid before the House.—Agreed to.

CIVIL LIST.

Mr. HUME rose to move for certain Papers respecting the
chargei for the Third Class of the Civil List. His object was
merely to obtain information to enable the House to come to a
satisfactory decision on the case when It came before them. He
moved for a Return of the Number of Ministers, Charges des
Affaires, or Agents, not being Consuls, at the different Courts
abroad, specifying the total amount of their salaries, establish-
ments, and allowances of every kind, together with all charges
for extraordinarks or incidental expenses. in the years 1792 and
1021, with the dates of the several appointments. Also a Re-
turn of all English Consuls and Vice-Consuls kept abroad in the
same year, specifying their salaries and allowances, and distin-
guishing whether the duties of such stations were performed in
=or by deputy. Also, a Return of all Pensions granted to
ere sent out to foreign Courts. Also a Return of all Mi-
tlisters Consuls appointed since 1792, specifying their salaries,
ices, and outfits.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY had no objection to the
production of the Papers moved for ; on the contrary, he might
perhaps move for some additional Papers, as It was his object to
sift this question to the bottom, and examine the subject in all its
different bearings.—The motion was agreed to.
Mr. HUME then moved for an Account of all Pensions'
granted to these comprehended in the Third Class of the Civil
List, from January, 1817, to January, 1822, together with the
amount paid from these in certain cases under the provisions of
an Act of Parliament to the Consolidated Fund in each year.—
The motion was agreed to.

SCOTCH SIMMS.
•
Mr. H. DRUMMOND presented a Petition from
the Dean and Faculty of Edinburgh, against a Bill
now pending for obliging the Sheriffs of Scotland to
reside for a certain time within theii jurisdiction. In
Glasgow there was a multiplicity of business to be
gone through, and in some cases five Sheriffs Depu-
ties should be appointed to discharge it. On the ques-
tion that the Petition be brought up being put,
Mr. MONTGOMERY said, he did not think the
present system efficient; if the Hon. Gentleman only
looked to the advantages enjoyed by the County of
Edinburgh, because it had a resident Judge, he
would be an advocate for a similar measure in Glas-
gow ; in that County, in consequence of the resi-
dence of the Judge, both the civil and criminal bu-
siilbss was admirably well conducted. He only asked
that Glasgow might be put on the same footing ; if
it were, he thought it would derive considerable ad-
vantages from such a measure.
Mr. PEEL said, though the subject of the present
Petition was not a very inviting one, yet, from the
sincere and unequivocal respect he entertained for the
Petitioners, he could not pass it. over without stating
the grounds on which he differed from them. The
lion. Gentleman who presented the Petition asked
whether it was fit now to make an arrangement, by
which Sheriffs should become resident? There he
was at issue with the Hon. Gentleman, and decidedly
thought it was. But even if it were intended that
the Sheriffs should not be resident,. he thought there
were special grounds for exception in the case of La.'

tionably , . city ,
along with its environs, contained 14%000 inhabi-
tants ; the city of Glasgow Was under the jurisdiction
of the Magistrates, but the Sheriff had also a concur-
rent jurisdiction with them. In the environs, the po-
pulation of which was 70,000, the Sheriff had an ex-
clusive jurisdiction ; besides, the civil and criminal
business of the County of Lanark was more than
threefold that of the County of Edinburgh. The
only question to be determined was, whether the She-
riff should reside four months in the year, or perma-
nently? In the necessity of a permanent residence,
he was strongly supported both by the Report of 'the
Commissioners, who were appointed in consequence
of an Address to the Throne to investigate the sub-
ject, and who strongly recommended residence for
the dispatch of business, as also by the representation
of the.local Magistracy which he held in his hand,
who strongly urged, if a contrary measure were in
contemplation, that the County of Lanark should be
made an exception. But there was another alterna-
tive beside permanent residence suggested—namely,l
the appointment of two Sheriffs' Deputies, to which
he could not give his assent, and also raising their
salary ; but if the salary were raised at all, he thought
it should be that of the Chief Officer. When it was
recollected what occurred in 100 in the County of
Lanark, and that there was then no. less than fifty
Bills found for treasonable practices, beside the great'
manufacturing population which it contained, no-
body could doubt tyre necessity of the permanent re-
sidence of the Sheriff. In any arrangement that would
be made, due care should be taken that nothing should
be done inconsistent with the laws of Scotland; but
in one measure Government were determind, and that
was, that the Sheriffs should be resident.
Mr.A BERC ROM BY thought itimportant that they
should not be required to be resident ; but as no ques-
tion was before the House, he would not go further
into that subject, but merely to state, that it was his
opinion that the Petitioners intended to carry the
measure too far.

A MEMBER expressed his warmest thanks to Minis-
ters for the measure they had in contemplation.
Lord ARCHIBALD HAMILTON expressed his
dissent from the expedieicy of the measure to be in-
troduced, though he agreed with the Right Honour-
able Secretary that some person ought to be resi-
dent. If the salaries were to be increased, he wished
to know what was to be the criterion for selecting
the proper Officers ?
Mr. PEEL replied, that care would be taken that
no improper compromise cloud be entered into.
Lord A. HAMILTON also wished to learn from
the Right Hon. Secretary, in what way was the in-
crease of salary to be sanctioned ?
The LORD ADVOCATE said, though he dif-
fered in opinion from the Petitioners, he begged to
be, at the same time, understood that he entertained
the highest respect for them. He thought it would
be a wise and beneficial regulation to secure the re-
sidence of those on whose attention the due admi-
nistration ofjustice and dispatch of business depended.
Lord A. HAMILTON again wished to ask the
Right Hon. Secretary, in what way the increase of
salary was to be sanctioned? _

Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that such questions, onl
the presenting a Petition' infringed on the orders of
the House: the Noble Lord should wait for the pro-
per opportunity when the merits of the Petition came
to be discussed, and then he would receive the in•
formation he required.
Mr.KENNEDY thought that an opportunity ought
'to be subsequently given to the Hon. Gentlemen, for
the purpose of expressing their reasons for support-
ing or dissenting from the Petition.
After a few words from Mr. DRUM moND the Peti-
tion was laid on the table and ordered to be printed.


power to say when that should
He had not yet finally made
expediency of bringing it forward
►n the neat; it was extremely
form any fixed determination,
that he felt in his own m►nd a
one side than the other. It was
considerable portion of the
intended to-confide to him again
_ presenting. their Petition; in
=MeV to
that intimation, he stated how deep a sense he felt u
the honour conferred on him, by putting the Petitiess
into his hands; and also that he would take the ea:
liest opportunity of presenting it this Session, if it
were so determined by the friends of the ineavute,
within and without the doors of the House, %Axial
he intended to consult on the expedieacy of present.
ing it this Session. Whatever course he might perm
it was toawell known how deeply he felt on that
measure, to suppose that he would adopt any step
which was not with a view to its final and complete
success. With respect to the wishes of the general
body of the Catholics, he could not now speak ►sick
certainty; whether they wished the question to come
on this Session or next, on the' expediency of which
he thought no one coald arrogate to himself to d, tide
{here; but he was sure the Catholics would be go.
vetoed by the course which their sincere and zealous
friends would recommend. All he could say was,
that at whatever period it should come forward, or
in whatever hands it might be confided, it should re-
ceive his cordial, zealous, and unalterable support.
He was glad that his Right Hon. Friend introduced
the subject of his notice to the House without any
previous communication with the Roman Catholic
Peers: he thought a considerable advar,►tage would
be gained by the accession of such men to the House
of Peers. No one could be jealous of the priorit►
of the discussion of their claims ; and as they were
the last who were deprived of their privileges (by
what means it was not now necessary to mention), ,s
they ought to be the first to be restored to the enjoy-
ment of them.

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Mr. TIERNEY said he wished to know whether
the Right Honourable Gentleman had made up his
mind as to the tithe of bringing forward the question?
If it were to be brought forward after the,holidays,
notice should be given of it before Easter, that those
Members who resided in distant parts of Ireland
might have sufficient time to put themselves in pre-
paration. For his part, he could see no objection
why the question should not be brought forward this
Session, after its success in the House of Commoas
last year, and its defeat in the House of Lords but
by a small majorit7. • He could not see a more fa-
vourable opportunity than the present for its renewal,
unless the Right Hon. Gentleman had access to some
source .of information which he (Mr. Tierney) hal
not, and which might furnish a conclusive reason f•ur
postponing it this Session.
Mr. PLuNKETT and Mr. BRIGHT rose at the same
time; but from repeated calls from the House for 1.:2
former Gentleman, Mr. BRIGHT gave way.
Mr.PLUNKETT then said, that it would afforl
him the greatest satisfaction, if he hid it in his power,
to give any more explicit answer than That which had
been contained in the original statement. lle had
not made up his own mind definitively on ti:•. -ab-
ject. One objection. with him would be, that t!ie Ro-
man Catholics of Ireland had not decidedly exilrested
their sentiments in a collected manner ; and as far
as he understood, many of the principal chn.icters
among them were adverse to the question !win;
brought forward at this time. He did not think I:.e.
present a proper moment for him to enter into any
more detailed explanation. He would apply his
mind to the fair and legitimate interests of that great
question, uninfluenced by any public or private con-
flicting opinicns. He contended that it never was
considered as an annual measure. The Hon. Gent;c-
man opposite had said, that he augured favourably
to the question from the position it was placed in by
the discussion of last year. That discussion had a far
different effect on his mind ; it led him to approach
it more tremulously now than he had ever done be-
fore. There were other objections of a more public
nature which were too obvious for him to bring be-
fore the house; but the state of Ireland at this mo-
ment was of such a nature, that a discussion of a mea-
sure of so much importance would be rather a dan-
gerous experiment. He was convinced that the lo-
man Catholics had too much taste and too much
feeling to wish to press it at this time, when the event
of a failure would produce most injurious conse-
quences. If the question proved unsuccessful, he
knew of nothing more likely to be attended with more
fatal results to the country. His conviction was, that
the present was an unfavourable moment for any
proceeding to be adopted ; at least they might wait
for some further explanation until after the recess.—
With respect to the means of information whits
some Hon. Gentlemen supposed that he possessed,
he wished to assure them that he had not any sources
which were not perfectly open to all others.
Mr. BRIGHT said a few words unfavourable to
the measure.

Mr. CANNING interfered, and said it was most
irregular to discuss the merits of a question at the
time that notice was merely given.
Sir J. NEWPORT viewed the subject in a directly
opposite light to that of the Honourable Member
(Mr. Plunkett) ; far from considering that the state
of It eland was unfavourable to a discussion of the
Catholic Question, or that its tranquillity would be
endangered- by it, he felt that nothing could more re-
store the peace and quiet of that country, than t',c
consideration by Parliament of one of its greatest gt ie-
vances. As the Hon. Gentleman had taken the re-
sponsibility of bringing fin-ward the measure upon
himself, it would not be consistent for any other per-
son to interfere, or take it from his hand. For his
he would tepeaz in Parliament the same opir ion which
he had given in private, that the present Session
should not be alloWed to pass over without bt
that important measure of conciliation before it.
SUPPLY, COMMISSARIAT, BARRACK, AND MISCEL-

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FREEHOLD FARM, in the Parishes of Saint HOUSE OF COMMON,. •
as they were already emitained in thi-Reykat of the this Session, or early in
' • Commissioners, and also in.a treatise written by Sir. difficult at present to for
A Marks, high Halstow. and Stoke, consisting of a Farms-
House, Blacksmith's Shop, Cottage, and other Buildings, tusd Mr. CHETWY ND moved the On*y:ef tbotisy for the se. George Mackenzie, a bite Sheriff of that County, though he confessed that
about Sixty-eight Acres of Arable, Meadow, Pasture, and Wood member
said,
that the min incorporated the amid provision, than whom no man was better qualified to give such greater inclination to on'
tend reading of the Vagrant Laws Amendment, BIZ The Hon.
Land ; with immediate possession of the Yarns-Hoots* and
of the existing law with respect to "watt Arta minstrels in a detail. The County of Lanark -contained a popu- intimated to him by a
Land.—This Estate is eligibly situate, about six miles from Ro-
the streets, the existing law applied to them as to other vagrants, I,4tion of 450,000, and Glasgow, which was unques- Catholics, that they intro
Chester, and two from Hoo, and may be viewed by applying to
and therefore no charge of severity slunldbst made. against bin I tiouably now the second city in the United Kingdom, the task of presenting. tl
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