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• aud there was now no chance of
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• s- • tal connexions, or making any
imps '; • 'on the territory of France, as formerly.
This was not a moment in which we could avail
ourfelves of a conneBion with the Houk of Auf
tria ; and the very attempt to form fuch a connec-
tion would be fatal. to Auftria ' • becaufe France
would then endeavour to cripple her ftrength and
refources, in order to prevent her from being ufe-
ful.to us. A great deal had been faid of the Con-
tinental dominion of France ; but however eaten-
five that was, he would afk whether England did
not alfo poffefs a great and extenfive power in dif-
ferent parts of the world ; and might not France
complain of the extent of our naval power as well
as we did of the enlargement of her territory on
land ? It had .beeni Rated that a great degree of
irritation existed between both countries ; and that,
as nothing was publifhed in France without leave
of ,the Government, it mull have fanaioncd
all the abufe which they contained againft this
country. This inference was not to be made. There
%%as a time when an imprimatur had been laid on
the prefs of this country : and yet newfpapers
continuedto hold forth abufes again ft other powers,
which were taken no notice of, nor was the Go-
vernment of the.cpuntry,charged as being the Au-
thors of them. Of the Englifh paper publifited
at Paris he had teen but one number, and that con-
tained fo much abuft againft himfelf and his
friends that lie laid it Ade, n d never looked at an-
other number. But .he would a& if no Englifb
Journal had flied abufive and irritating language ?
He was furry tnobferve, that to the difgrace of
the country the groffeft arici molt fcandalous libels
were publifhed again ft the French Government,and
one paper contained an article which could very
eafily be conftrued into an inftigation to affaffinate
the Chief Magiftrate of France.—[4 cry of No !
No!]—lt had alfo been urged as a proof of the
hoftility of France towards this Country, that Nap-
per Tandy and other Irifh rebels were protefted in
France. The Gentleman who made this obferva•
tion fhould have known that an agreement had
been entered into between thofe perfons and the
Britifh Government. He fhould be glad to know
to what place it was underftood that thefe perfons
fhould go. Sorely it was no part of their bargain
withGovernment,that,after they had embarked on
board a Ihip for the purpofe of proceeding to Tome
country in a Rate of neutrality with regard to us,
they fhould afterwards be prevented from landing
on any part of the habitable globe. He could not
conceive in what refpeathe bare permiffion to fuch
perfons to remain.in France could be confidered as
an as of hoftility againft Great Britain. It had
'been faid, that the fpirit of the country ma be
railed to freib exertion. The belt way in. his opi-
nion to effea this would be never to engage the
people in any war, unlefs it was abfolutely necef-
fary to do fo. He looped t:tl the prefent war
of words between England and France with the
contempt it deferved, and he hoped the warfare
would never be carried on with any other wea-
pons than words. Let the Menikar, the rime:,
the Morning pot, and the Argue, continue to
abufe one another as much as they choofe, pro-
vided the bayonet was not drawn. But this, if it
was not even likely to producgmirchief,was by no
means an honourable proceeding. At the very
time when our Ambaffador was making his bow,
and paying his refpeas to the Government of
France, it was not a very dignified conduit to be ufing
opprobriousepithets towards that perfon with whom
our own Government was in
,the habits of courte-
fy. He certainly did, as well as others, think the
prefent a very momentous period ; and he could ,
.not look at the enormous power of France with-
out dread ; but at the fame time he taw no reafon
why the prefent Peace ought not to halt as long
as any that had ever been concluded with France.
Let us only look at Europe with a vigilant eye,
and refill all attempts made upon our indepen-
dence ; but let us not be too fcrupuloufly nice in
our apprehenfions of evils thal might occur in
flume times. Let us wait and fee if France thews
any defire to attack us. It was Rated that our
commerce fuffered a diminution in confeqoence
of the Peace that was becaufe the war had caufed
a great increafe of commerce to this Country,)
which mull have ceafed at the termination of the
war: and if there was any ground to complain of
such diminution, it was only an argument againft
making peace at all. This Country, which had
for ages dealt lb much in prohibitions, had no
great reafon to complain of France for having pro-
hibited the importation of our rnanufaaures. We
bad no right to interfere in a fulled of this kind,
at a time when we were at peace. He was Cure
that thofe prohibitions were equally injurious to
both nations ; and if they law their true interefts
they would take than off. Mr. Fox concluded
with giving his affent to the Addrefs.
Mr. Aacnnatt faid, that the union, which an
lion. Baronet had termed a subjugation; was un-
doubtedly thefullugation of the difaffeaed and
faaious fpirits,which had fo long defolated Ireland.
Mr. Wimonam began with remarking, that he
could have withed that power of memory and dex-
terity of debate which tome Gentlemen poffeffed,
in order to enable him to follow the fpeeeh of the
Hon. Gentleman, a fpeech which, like every thing
of his, was calculated to make, and which had
made, a ftrong impreffion ; a fpeech of great bril-
liancy ; but of -a brilliancy without force, as almoft
every thing it contained was fallacious. Mr. W.
Rated, that an attempt had been made to rlliate
the violence of the early part of the Frenc revo-
lution, by afcribing them to a feries of injury ex-
cited by the coalitson of defpots fur reftoring the
ancient Government. ' He denied, however, that
loth proceedings were owing to a coalition formed
for the' affiftance of Government that had eiifted
for fo many centuries f a government which, in reali-
ty, was confonant to the willies of a great pan of the
4ieople of France, and which was overthrown by fo
foals rebellion: The hiflory of the French revolution
fcheme of uuiverfal monarchy was
',wn of the revolution,and was
of its firft authors tad leaders.
.4 Rate of France at all refembled
refillance of the Dutch to the slomi-'
th.it was sagely* refiftance

nate other nations. He remarked, with fn rife,
that the fixed& of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Fox)
who had always been the apologia of the French
Government, thould have been heard with fuch de-
cided marks of approbation by Minifters, who had
themfelves (hared or approved the meafuresagainft
which he (Mr. Fox) had always inveighed. This
made him more defirous to expofe the pernicious
i tendency of the fpeech. He admittedthat the paper
alluded to b y the Hon. Gentleman was contemptible,
it was, however,inefficient. The war of France was
not a paper war ; it was a war of meafures, of deeds,
molt calamitous to Europe. But furely, if the mind
of the country was to be prepared againft the dan-
ger which the French war of meafures threatened,
it was necelfary that it tbould be informed of what
paired in France. With refpea to what had been
Paid of the 44 aggreffions" of France, he believed
the word aggreffions had not lken ufed, at leaf hs
the fenfe given to it by the Hon. Gentleman.—
Without afloat aggreffions there mightbeaftscom-
mitted by another State which' might juftify war.
It was faid too, that the alts complained of on the
part of the French Government had exiled at the 1
time of the Treaty ; but, even admitting that to
he true, the argument founded on them, if it d
not apply' to Minifters now, would fill apply to the
dangerous fituation of the country owing to the
peace. He contended that the plan of indemnities
forced on Germany was infinitely more fevere than
could have been expeaed from the Treaty of Lu-
nevillei for it utterly deftroyed the Germanic Body.
—lt was asked, what was the cure even for the
danger if admitted ; was it war ?—He would fay,
that in the comparifon of war as the cure with
peace, as the cure it might fairly be contended that
every thing we (hould not lofe would be gain. It
wastoprevent,nottocuri,thathewilhed.—He com-
plained of the language held out by the Hon. Gen
tleman and his friends for the la it ten years,faying,
that if a Committee fitting at Paris could have pre-
fcribed the condua molt ferviceable to their caufe,
it would have been fomething fimilar to what had
atually been followed by fome here.—ln compar:
ing the war with peace as the cure, he contended
that peace had enlarged the fphere of Bonaparte's
ambition, by allowing it to extend to every quarter
of the globe, while war had confined it to Europe.
1 1 The peace had facilitated his attacks on Piedmont,
Italy and Switzerland, becaufe in time of war Bo-
naparte, fearing the advantage if might have given
to our arms and our caufe, might have forborn
from fuch aggreffions. Peace too had given to
France St. Domingo, Louifiana, the Cape, the
Mediterranean, Sec.; and at the time when this
torrent was let lode on the whole world, we
threw up our caps in token of joy, as if on the
opening of the New Docks. Adverting to what
Mr. Fox had faid, refpeaing the inequality of the
population of France and England, he obferved
that applied to every war with France, but in faa
qt was very poffible that from our fituation, and
for defence, our population might be adequate to
cope with- that of France. It was true that war,
as well as peace, might be a bad cure for the
dangers that threatened ; bqt what was to be done
with a bad fituation ? Every-remedy might be in-
adequate. As to the advantages of peace for cot&
m erce, the que ft ion was,what fecurity we had for that
commerce and the wealth it gave ? If poverty was a
fecurity again ft Kobbery,furely wealth was in itfelf as
bad proteaion againft the robber. Principles had
been quoted from Machiavel, and examples from
hiftory, to thew that France was weakened by her
conquefts; that the would break in pieces like the
Roman Empire ; but what confolation did this
give ? The Roman Empire had fubfifted 400 years
in all its extent; and if France were to over.run all
Europe, if furely was no great relief to think,
that by fome accidents in the courfe of 400 years
it might again be refcued 1 After purfuing
the comparifon between the fafety of peace and
the fafety of war, at confiderable length, from
which he inferred that war would have enabled
is to fecure more, than peace gave us a chance of
fecuring, he adverted with feverity to the lan-
guqe which had been held as to continental con-
neetions ; that we were too hone( to deal with
the Princes of the Continent, &c. He faid, that
the complaints againft the Continental Powers in
this war were ill-founded. We had given mo-
ney, but furely it would not be faid that, doing
fe, we had done more than Auftria, who
had contributed the bravery and the blood of her
armies. It was not true that Auftria abandoned
us. She gave up the conceit, not yielding, but as
it were driven out of the line. He reprobated the
unfeeling language of thofe who faid Auftria had
done nothing in comparifon with us. A day might
come when fuch reproaches from us would be re-
membered by the Continental Powers. Nothing
could more tend to alienate thofe powers from us,
and a day might come when it might be necelfary
for us to look for their co-operation or their aid.
With refpeet to what had been faid again& all deep
laid fchemes, and all plans in concert with other
powers, being unadvifable, and that we should
trutt to chance, it was reverting the old maxim,
slam manes akfiy,fit Prandia; it was abandoning
wifdom, making a furrender of reafon, and refign-
ing ourfelves to chance.
r. WiLssaroacs explained, and faid that he
only meant that, confidering the uncertainty of all
complicated plans, particularly when they depend.
ed on the co-operation of other powers, he thought
them a bad remedy for remote dangers, and a cer-
tain, inevitable danger' °all:knot to be Titled for
a doubtful advantage of u precarious plans.
The CHAN c a LLoi of the Exc a eon Ell raid, that
France had not gained by the peace thofe things
which the Right Hon. Gentleman had (fated. She
fill had not taken polfeillon of Lonifiana : it was
to be proved whether (he had gained St. Domingo;
'there was a Briti(h fleet in the Mediterranean fil-
ficient to check her in that quarter, and there was
no fort of danger that the torrent would fpread to
India. The effeft of again replunging the country
into war, would be to make war perpetual. A
Noble Lord had faid that it was impoffible but
that hoftilities thould be renewed. The Houfe
would do him the juaice to recollea that thortly
after • the Preliminary Treaty he had potitive-
-Ily alerted, it waa not from any deficiency of,

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were abundant, and if the honour of the country
fhould be again touched—if its fecurity Mould
be endangered—we had in our power a fuffi-
ciency vE refources to carry on s frefh war for
feveral years. He would Mk, whether the dif-
ference between the terms contained in the projea
at Lifle, and thofe agreed
,on at Amiens, would
make any material alteration in the means of the
French Government for carrying on another war ?
But the Noble Lord had at length given the Houle
clearly to underhand what his objea was. It ap-
peared that he wanted to get the prefent Minißers
.removed from office k and with that view, he
thought proper, in terms no way could/cut. with
civility, to reprefent them as incapable of con-
clueing the public affairs, and as deftitute of
energy and vigour. Would die Noble Lord con-
tinue to charge with incapacity thofe men under
whofe direaicm the Baltic fleet had failed, and
made fo fuccefsful an enterprize ? who had fent
fuch powerful reinforcements to Egypt, and that,
with fuch expedition as to effea the complete
conqueft of that country ; and who had after-
wards canted the port of Cadiz to be blockaded'
with fo much vigour and efficacy? He would deny
the charge of the Noble Lord, that there was
any want of vigour on the part of Minifters.—
If the charge, therefore, againft them was the
difgraceful as of having made peace, he, for
his own part, mull, with fatisfaition plead guilty
to that charge. But he tufpeEtecl that the whole
ground of this charge, which came from the
Noble Lord, was the confidence placed by his I
jetty in his prefent. fervants, as it appeared that
their only crin. -2 was that of having reftored to the
people the bleffings of peace ; and, after all the
lamentation that had been made about the places
given up to France, and the extenfion of territory
on her part, the whole amount -of the different
complaints teemed to be, that the fleets of 'Great
.'
Brita)n could not navigate through the interior of
the Continent • for it was evident to every body
that in thole Places where alone redrefs could be
had, our forces could riot °petite either in peace'
or war. Some obfervations had been made on the'
paper-war lately carried on between this'country '
and France. With refpeEt to Ibis country he
thought it was highly indecent and unmanly, to ufe
the language of exafpetatkm towards that Govern-
ment, with which we were at peace • but at the
fame time fuch was his regard for the' freedom of
;hat Conftitution under which we lived, that he
would not lay fiis finger on the Britilh Prefs or,
' abridge its liberty in the flightell degree, with any
' view to fupprefs thofe publications to *ll4
he alluded. There was not one confequenee
re-
fulting from thofe publications, which Wilt Set light
and infignificant compared to fuck ati ofd tge.~
He mull obferve that the preffes of both countries
abufed each other, and fentimenti of difguft were
excited on both Mess He could affure the Houfe
that it would be the Rudy of Minifters to Rear clear
between hoflility on the one hand, and humiliat-
ing.compromiks on the other—that they would
maintain the honour of the country, and always
keep a Ready eye on the prefervation of peace,
without expofing theinfelves thofe unjuft impu-
tations thrown out againft them. -
Mt. WINDHAM explained.
Lord Ts DIPLI repeated his affertion, which was,
that while the prefent Minihers continued in of
five, there could be no (atm in time of war, nor
fecurity during peace.
Sir Janes PULTINZY raid, he faw nothing at
this time to Make him thihk a Rate of hoftility ne-
ceffary.
The CHANCELLOR of the Exclisopla faid, an
Hon. Member had in the condi of that night's
debate aLked him, what would be the economy
of Peace ? He would anfwer—about twenty;five
millions. _ _

Lord MORPETII Paid, there was a material dif-
ference between the Proje& of Lille and the Treaty
of Amiens.

Lord HAWKIISIMY contended there was but a
flight difference, and whatever it might be, that
Projeft was only the firft 'propofition, which might
afterwards be altered; and therefore it could not
be confidered as an ultimatum. •
Mr. CANNING Paid, from the confidential fitua-
tion in which he flood at the time of the negocia-
tions at Lille, he could affure the Houfe that the
Prole& made by his Majefty's late Minifters was
that which they had been determined not to depart
from, and therefore was in fait their ultimatum;
and it was that on which (fhould it fail) they
tended to reft their defence before their country.
Mr. BAAGGE raid he was aftonifhed to hear an
Hon. Gentleman, who was not at the. time he al-
luded to in an fficial fituation, fpeak to a fia
which the late Minifter, who was *Kent, vats :done
competent to explain. Why that Right. Honour.
able Gentleman was not in his place, he could not
conjeaure, except for the reafiins difciofed by a
Noble Lord, whole objet was to remove the pre-
fent Minifters.
The Report was then agreed to, and the Ad. ,
drefs was ordered to be prefented to His Majefty
by the Whole Houfe. An order was alb made that
thole Members who were of his Majefty's Privy
Council fhould, on the following day, wait on His
Majefty, to know when His Mikity would be
pleafed to receive the Addrefs.—Several Accounts
were then moved for, and ordered.
Mr. Vett sITTART gave notice (in the abfence of
the Chancellor of the Exchequer) that the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer would move to morrow,
for leave to bring in a Bill for the better eftablifh-
ing and regulating the Militia in Ireland.
Mr. V&HSITTAIT then moved for the following
Accounts, which were feverally ordered. An ac-
count of the net produce of the permanent taxes
for the years ending the loth of Odtobera
and the ioth of Otiober, tBoa, diftinguithing each
year. An account of the an2ount of Bounties paid
on the importation of Corn and rice for the fame
periods. And an Account of the amount of Ex-
chequer Bills ;trued under the At of the 4.1 ft Geo.
111. chapter 4th, now outflanding and unprovi-
ded for.
At One o'Clock this morning the }lode ad-

LONDON.

THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 25.
PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE o.cLoeit
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The public arc now in poireffion oc His WI
Tv's Speech on opening the new Parliament, a,
the debates that followed. Any comment on eithi
cannot be necelfary to thofe who have been in
habits of remarking the cautions phrafeology
fervable at all times in diplomatic language. Sot
people expected, but unreafonably, that His M,
jasry's Speech, or thole of his Minifters, thou]
openly avow unqualified fubmiflion to Frew
ufurpation or infiant hoftilitie,s. The line of cc
due which Government ought to follow, rn;
not yet be obvious to Minifters themfelves, as
muft in a great nieafure depend on the turn whi
the prefent negotiations may take ; and all th
could be expeeed was, that they would be cautic
not to commit themfelves by any expreffions thi
might make ufe of. One point, however, cam
efcape obfervation. If no ground for a pofil
rdptare had exifted, it is plain that the langu:
of His Majefty's fpeech would have been congr.
tulatory refpeeting the amicable difpofitionf
thole with whom we were lately at war.
By a vzifel arrived at Portfmouth we learn,
Demerara, Surinam, Berbice,' and Efquibo, wv
in the potfeffion of our troops, fo late as the
ultimo. By this conveyance, difpatches were
brought. for Government.

The Prefentations tc His MAJESTY; yam
at the Levee, ware--

Lord Lovrrnaa, on coming to his title.
Lord ROttltAT TOTTINNAM.
Captain STIRRET of the Guards, by Lord Cathcart.
Lea GLENDORZ on his arrival from Ireland.

Mr. Boaxes, by the Lord in Waiting.
Mr. Dor:costar, by the Earl of Dartmouth.
Mr. Townszon, by Sir W. Scott
Mr. Poi-rotas Secretary to the French Ambafador, ac•
concluded by General Andra:Ws Aid-de-Camps.
The Hon. Mr. Leans, by his father, Lord Melbourne.
The Rev. Mr. TA taoz, introduced by the Duke of Beaufort,
kiffed the King's hand, on his preferrnect to the Deanery of
Exeter. _ _ _

After the Levee His MAJESTY received the Ad-
drefs of the Lords in the Great Council Chamber.
Lord Aar/EN and Vifcount NscsoN attended, as
the Mover and Seconder. The KING then held a
Council, after which M. OTTO had an audience of
leave, previous to his return to France.
We underfland that a Petition is preparing
againft the Return for Berwick-on-Tweed.
Delay: and Bhaiders will be oftener performed
this week, than during the whole feafon :—for in-
fiance, Perfons not knowing, or not recolleiting,
that a fuss of as,oool. is attainable by the Firft
Startin Lottery Ticket, on Monday next, will
lofe that chance by Delay:, while many thonfands
. will deprive themfelves of that Golden Opportu•
nity by Blunders, in purchafing their Tickets and
Shares at the wrong Office. POPE'S Lottery Of.
fice, Royal Exchange, clofe by the Bank of Eng.
land, is the propitious fpot, which fo juftly and pre-
eminentlybears the title of "The Fortunate,Office."
The firft drawn Ticket in the State Lottery, to
begin drawing Monday next, will be entitled to
Twenty-five Thoufand Pounds. The firft drawn
laft Lottery was fold by SWIFT and Co. No. il,
Poultry, who have alfo (hared And fold nine other
Capitals fence November laft.
On Monday next the Lottery begins drawing.
Mr. N:cnoLsoe's Tickets and Shares, that have
been fo juftly celebrated for producing Capital
Prizes, are only to be had at No. :6, Cornhill, op.
pofite the front gate of the Bank.—Note : The
Frft-drawn Ticket is 25,0001. and the Firft-drawn
the fourth Day, will alfo be 25,0001.
Saturday fe'nnight as Samuel Peame was driving a cart from
Portfinonth to Chichefter, in getting down near Bedhampton,
hisloot flipped, and he fell under the wheel, by which he was
fo much brulfed, that he died the fame evening.
Tuefday morning James Clarage, a bricklayer, fell from a
fcaffold in Horfemonger-lanc, Stones End, Borough, and was
killed on the fpot : he has left a wife and two (mall children to
lament his Ida.
l'efterviay Sir WILLIAM SCOTT made a report to His /vim
jam of William Codling, under fentence of death in New-
gate, convidted-at the laft. Admiralty &Mons, for wilfully and
felonloully deftroyingand elating away a certain veffel,of which
he was Mafter, upon the high fea, within the Jurifdidtion of the
Admiralty of England, with intent and defign to prejudice Ro-
bert Sheddon and others, who had underwritten a policy of in•
furanee upon the Paid reel; when he was ordered fir caeca.
Alp po Saturday next, at Execution Dock.
' • Hialleld, the impoftor, who has for fosse time been adver•
'tired, has laciallaken ist• a place called the Lamb and Flag, about
ii-nalles from Swantea. -. •
In confesjuence of Lord Ws tieSELS ta's Letter to Mr,Boto,
defcribing that a man and woman had been traced on the 16th
haft. to q rendon, near Leieefter, fuppofed to have been con•
cerned in the murder of Mr. Steele, on Hounflow Heath--,
William Bunton and Elisabeth Bunton, his wife, the two per-
ks:nib defcribed, underwent a long examination at Bow.itreet
oa Tuefday
.14. Sir WILLIAM PA Rao Ns fu gefted to Mr.
BOND, that Letters fhould be written to the Mayors of Cam-
bridge and Norwich refpedling the Prifoners, who were r?•
=tided for a further examinadon to-morrow before the fad

Magiftrates.
The Vreide, Scherman, from Amfterdam, for the Cape of
Good Hope and Bativia, is, we arc concerned to !tate, loft
off Hythe, near Dover, and of 380 foldiers, crew, and pal;
fengers, only sr, are faved. One hundred bodies had yefterdai
been walhed afhore.
Potty suouvu, Nov. se...This day arrived the Columba,
from the Weft Indies, bound to London ; alfo the Ant cutter,
Singer maßer, for Havre • and a brig for Dunkirk.
Paired by, the !hip Leander, Capt. George White, from Pe•
marara; and Martha, Roche, front Grenada. Capt.
difWhite
landed here, and fet off for Town this evening with
patches for Government.
Nov. 33.-mArrivecl the Diligent, itore-lhigs
from Deal, with naval lions; the Huffar frigate, with ma-
rines from Plymouth ; the Autumn Coop, from the Rivers
with volunteer frame% and failed again for the Downs....
Sailed, the Arrow Hoop, and Jackal; Bloodhound, and Mariner
gun-brigs; and the Carysfort, out of harbour to the Nore.••••
The Antelope lately launched here has been put into coma
lion. Wind W. blows hard.

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