Star.
London, England, 1813-06-29 00:00:00

=Will WICK PEER AG F.

The Earl of LAUDYRDALE moved, That the recent rest)•
lotion of the Houre, against' their lordships receiving any evi-
dence militating against the rights of Henry, tenth Baron Borth-
wick, under the adjinacation of 1762, be read, which was
dingly trone.
• The Noble Earl, after a few observations, stated, that he
should -move t..e previous question upon the said .resolution
will the vitae to the adoption of another, that the Committee of
Privileg,s should be instructed to receive evidence on the part
of the claimums, slough the same should controvert the adjudi-
cation of of l'iut!, as there was no legitimate descendant•of the
said Henry td claim the benefit of such judgment.
hfis Lordship having moved to this effect, the priliositioa,
:titer a few words trout the Loma CIL%NCCLLOR, vis agreed to
by the Home; as enk as also a suggestion of the Noble Earl's, that
the Order for reuniting tli: case in the Committee of Privileges
to-morrow should he discharge'd, and ita further considaration
adjourned until the n, at Session.
The Bills upon the table hems respectively forwarded, their
Lordships adjourned till to-morrow.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

MESSAGE RESPECTING 71IE VOTE OP CREDIT.

The Cud% N ext.t.oz of the Excarouctt, with a Message from
the PRINCE RMILNT. brought up awl read, aid was
Jae:fly as follows:
" GEORGE, P. R.

"The PR :N CE Riot r, acting in the rune and on the behalf
of his Me; rags, considering the great importance it may be of
to the welfare of thia country, that a provision should he made
to take advantage of any circumstances that may arise out of the
present state of things on the Continent, and relying on the seal
and experience of the. House of Commons, trusts they will take
such measures as in their wisdom they may think necessary, to
enable him to disappoint or defeat the designs of his enemies."

On the motton of the CHANCELLOR of the Excur.ocea, the
Prince Regent's most gracious Message was ordered to be taken
into considera..ien to-morrow.

On the motion of Mr. WESTERN, Returns of the Duties paid
en Leather in the two quarters, ending April sth and July sth,
lel., so soot: as they can be made up, with several other Papers
relative to thtexportation and-importation of Raw and Tanned
Hides, were ordered to be laid before the House.
Mr. S. WORTLEY brought up the Report of the Committee
appointed to enquire into the circumstances of Mr. Crogan's
confinement. It stated that the treatment be had received in
Newgate did not appear to have been severe, Improper, or un-
usuaL—Ordered to lie on the table and to be printed.
Mr. CI&'OKER presented a Petition, signed by certain inha-
bitants of London and Westminster, against the Licensed Vic-
. tualirrs

) Mr. ROSE observed, this !elect(' appeared one of the most
culpable attempts to impose on the House be ever remembered
' to have seen. Many of the names attached to It were spelt im-
properly. The Christian name " William," was invariably spelt
with at, H. Now, that one of the persons signing might sign his
: name thus, was not improbable, but that so many persons as
there were of that Christian name, concerned in chit petition,
shi.uld spell their natnss so, was not credible. This proved, in
his mind, that many of them had been written by the same hand.
The alleviating of the Petition, however, were so manifestly ab-
sur,i, that having offered these remarks, he had no objection to
fits being laid on the table.
Mr. Citox ER said, many of the names in the petitions, pre-
seated on the subject of the Claims of the Catholics, had been
, • written in the...out hand, yet the petitions were not objected to
or. this account. 1 hot petition had been pus into his bands, and
es the lani,nage of it l'a4 not appeared to him improper, he Lad
L thought it his du: yto bro .. rz it before the House. if it was o
[ ' euitaently absurd as the Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to think,
Leta Jo:: oi-iatou, it was admirably suited to the Bill to w'aicleit
was Intruded to apply.. .
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The Fetitit•n n:s ordered to he on the Ta

liume tot vtt sat:on took place httweeit Mr. Wurruaama and
Mr. tki.Attvrt, on the subject of the Report of tlie Auction
fluty Bits. Mr. WHITBREAD • wished it to he postponed to
.'ilursclay. Filially, it was understood that Mr. WHARTON cor.-
sewed to postpone it to Wednesday.
On Cie Report of the Licensed Vktuallers' being
brought up—
Mr. CROKER, on the question being put.— " That the
Amendments be now agreed to," proposed as an Amendment,
that they should be react a Sd time on that day three months.

Mr. IiOSE spoke at some length in favour of the Bill, after
which the }louse dtsided, when the numbers were—
Nor agretio; to the Amendments now 41—For the Amtud•

iroei.t of Mr. C'rolier ::9--Majority in favour of the Report 2.
On the guestion .that die Avon be received, another division

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took place--Por thelet6lt 4e—Against It 41—Majority for It 8.
—The Bill was then ordered to be read a sd time to-morrow.
•.)n the question that the House should go into ll Committee
on the Windsor Forest BiII, a desultory conversation lose,
In which Mr. WIIITIRIAD Mr. WRARTON, Mr. L. Duitom,
Mr. BENNETT, and Mr. Rosa participated.
Mr. WHITBREAD stated the information he had receiveil
from Mr. Wham.% respecting the depredations committed in
Windsor Forest, the marking of the trees, ace. to be inconsistent
with what he hadi heard in other quarters, and he was told a
commission had been issued under the Privy Seal, to enquire
into the practicability of farming out part of the Parks of Wind-
sor, Richmond, !cc. . .

Mr. WHARTON denied that any intention existed to cut
down the trees marked in Windsor Park. They were, however,
necessary, when it was thought proper to direct any of the tim-
ber to be felled, to direct the persons employed to the right trees.
He knew nothing of the Commission mentioned by 'the Hon.
Gentletnan (Mr. Whitbread). The fences and sheds in the Park
at Hampton Court, he stated, in answer to a question put by Mr.
Bennett, to have been raised for the reception of the Prince Re.
gent's stud. The expense of raising them was paid by the Trus-
tees of the Park.

The Bill then went through a Committee, the Report of which
was ordered to be received t.-morrow.

The Report of the Royal Irish Canal Company Bill was taken
intolurther consideration. The Bill was recommitted ; the Report
of the Committee was received; and the Bill ordered to be read
a third time to-morrow.

The Paymaster-General's Account Bill went through a Com-
mittee; the Report of which was ordered to be received to-
morrow.

The Irish Insolvent Debtor's Bill went through a Committee;
the Report of which as eidered to be received to-morrow.
A Message from the Lords announced their Lordships' assent
to the Innkeepers' Bill.
The Fire Arms Proof Bill was read a second time, and or-
dered to be committed this day. •
The Committee on the Corn Laws was postponed to this day.
Leave was given to bring in a Bill for regulating the Building
of Ships employed in the Southern Whale Fishery.
Mr. HILEY ADDINGTON obtained leave to bring in a Bill
to extend the services of the Militia of the Tower Hamlus to all
parts of the United Kingdom. He then brought in the Bill,
which was read a first, and ordered to be read a second time
to•rnorrow.

Accounts of the Duty on Bile of Exchange in England and
Scotland, Avxre ordered to be laid before the House.
'Mr. JIAisLNGTON moved that a letter, dated June 8, 1813,
addressed to the Directors of the East-Inch:Company, respecting
the Idol I orgernaut, be laid before the House.

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The motion was objected to by Mr. COURTNLY, but agreed
to after a kw words from the Sresueß.

AFFAIRS OF INDIA.
Lord CASTLEREAGH moved, that the Howe
do resolve itself into a Committee on the East-India
Bill.

Mr. GRENFELL said, he felt convinced, from a
full view of the whole of this question, that the expe-
riment now about to be tried would endanger the
existence of the whole of our Empire in India.
Mr. W. KEENE entered into a long range of ar-
gument, in order to shew that this measure would be
injurious to the interests of the East.tadia Company,
and preg cant with danger to our Empire in the East.
Mr. CALCRAFT did think that the political
power of the Company, or rather their sovereignty
over India, ought to continue as it now did. But he
strongly objected to the length of time for which the
Charter was to be continued. He also thought the
proposition contained in the 13th Resolution was of
the most.dlangerous tendency, as most improperly in-
terfering with the religion of the natives. It had been
confidently- said that the whole country had petitioned
for this minsure. It was very true the petititlns were
most numerous ; but then the petitioners went much
farther than the Ministers, because they wanted no-
thing less [than the conversion of the whole of the na-
tives of India to Christianity. When the House, in
a Committee, came to this past of the Bill, he should
oppose it. As to the otter parts of the Bill, he thought
it highly pr oper to open the Trade, because he thought
the India Company were bad merchants.
Mr. GORDON thought that the whole system of.
Indian Government required a complete alteraticin ;
and that neither of the parties interested in the present
question entertained any correct view of the manner
in which this reform was to be brought about. The
royal merchants of Leadenhall-street were for keeping
every thing in its present state; and the speculating
merchants, who wanted to alter the system, had no
other ol.ject in view but that of participating in the
Trade. The whole of the plan, therefore, he highly
disapproved of, considering it, as he did, to be nothing
more than a piece of patch-work, intended for the ac-
commodation of all parties ; but, in his opinion, not
calculated to answer any great public object, or pro-
duce any permanent good.
Mr. GRANT was of opinion, that the system
now attempted to be broken down had not been pro-
perly considered. Ile bad all along deprecated this
measure, and he did so still. Persons well acquainted
with the state of India saw nothing in this visionary
experiment but delusion and danger. Some of the
principal objections to this measure were the curtail-
ments of the Company's power, and the probability
of their not being able to go on with the trade; be-
sides, the periodical sales of the Company would be
wholly broken down, by which their commerce would
be greatly injured. There was also a system of licen-
sing to go on, under the authority of the Govern-
ment, which would produce the idea of two distinct
Powers acting in India; and that must have the ef-
fect of weakening and shaking the whole system of
government by which the Indian Empire had hitherto
been upheld. Feeling a high interest in the present
system, which he considered the best that could be
devised, he could never consent to have it altered by
such a plan as was now proposed, which would very
soon change the character of the Indian Government.
The Hon. Gentleman then adverted to the Fifth Re-
port, and to the observations which had been made
upon k on a former night by an Hon. Member (Mr.
Rickards) who had adduced, as a proof of the po-
verty and hardships under which the inhabitants
lived, to what was stated in that Report,. namely,
that the people lived upon nothing but rice, and were
clothed in t!..e slightest manner. This, however, he
(Mr. Grant) contended was not true. They went
thus thinly clothed, and fed thus frugally, from
choice, and in compliance with their ancient manners
and customs.
Mr. LUSHINGTON was of opinion that the ex-
tension of the trade, if allowed fairly to take place,
the Company retraining from taking improper ad.
vantages of the private trader, and the private trader
conducting himself properly, would prove advanta-
geous to the Country. The Hon. Gentleman then
proceeded at considerable length to take a review of
the religious principles and prejedices of the natives,
and of the puulications of the Missionaries, which, he
contended, had, in many instances, an effect contrary
to the interests of India. He contended, that the
situation of the great mass of the population of India
-was not plunged in that depth of immorality which
had been imputed to them ; on the contrary, their re-

ligion war is system of morality ; they had been ,
,taught to believe that they would always be protec-
ted in tile exercise of their religion, and that convic-
tion had done much towards rendering them submis-
sive to our government. He then proceeded to read
extracts from several works of morality comnfbnly
read amongst the Hindoos, and also several of the
prayers used by the Brahmins, which were of the
most solemn and impressive description, and which
he had, he, said, often heard the Priests repeat in the
course of their religious ceremonies; which were not,
as he had heard them represented in this country, a
mixture of blasphemy and profanation, but they were
i a mixture of devotion towards Gon, and, benevolence
towards men.- He then read from the works of Mr.
Orme, the character which that gentleman gives to
the Gentoos. Mr. Orme observes, 44 a people whose
religion teaches them, that to destroy the smallest in-
sect, is a crime, and that charity to the poor is the
greatest virtue—who are extravagantly attached to
domestic pleasures—who are kind masters and affec-
tionate friends, cannot be innately vicious."—Mr.
Lushington then proceeded to declare, that on the
subject of sending Missionaries to India, he was per-
fectly of opinion with Sir W. Jones, who had said—
that, in his opinion, the Hindoos would never be con-
verted by any mission, either of the Catholic or any
other Church; the only mode of effecting that desir-
able object would, in his opinion, be to have the Pro-
phecies of Isaiah translated into the Hindoo language
and silently dispersed among them. This should also,
in his opinion, be accompanied by a translation of
the Gospels. These, if left to themselves, he (Mr.
Lushington) was folly persuaded would silently
make their way ; but if we attempted to force any
religion upon these people, he was persuaded, from
the knowledge he had of their temper and disposition,
such an attempt would meet the most determined re 1
sistance ; and the flaming brands would be pulled by
them from their altars, for the purpose of kindling
Rebellion against the Power which thus endeavoured
'to force upon, them a creed different to that in which
they had been educated.
Mr. W. SMITH contended, that his Hon.Triend
(Mr: Wilberforce) never had quoted one opinion of
Dr. Buchanan—he had never made the slightest refe-
rence to that Gentleman's book. He was as con.
vinced. as the Hon. Gentleman who spoke last, that
those tho might be sent to convert the natives of In-
dia should be perfectly aware of the dispositions and
manners of the people among whom they were going.
He said, that if he found the religious institutions of
the Hindoos were sanguinary, and that no regard
was had to justice in their laws, he must naturally
conclude that these things must have arisen from a
sanguinary people, or that they must have made the
people so. He read, in an extract from the sacred
book of the Hindoos, six characters of women-Ist,
inordinate love of finery-2d, immoderate lust-3d,
violent-4th, deep and dark resentment-sth, malig-
nant
envy—and, 6th (as a most inadequate corollary
to such premises) most vicious and irregular conduct.
He contended, from these circumstances, that the
Hindoos were a people whom it became our duty to !
convert to morality, as well as to Christianity. If
those who thought that the Pag-an Mythology was as
good as the Christian Religion, wouli only say so
openly, they would better know what to think of
their opinions on other subjects. He would ask,
what opinion could be formed of a God whose favour
a man would expect to propitiate by running two
hooks into his back, and allowing himself to be swung
round by them for two hours together ? 'What could
be thought of Bramins who would recommend wo-
men to burn themselves on the dead bodies of their
husbands ? He mentioned the case of a Hindoo wo-
man, who escaped from the funeral pile of her hus-
band, but who was brought back by her own son,
and after being bound hand and foot, was thrown
again upon the pile, and consumed with the dead
body of her husband. Would Gentlemen then say,
that the professors of this pure and hay religion re-
quired no instruction ?
Mr. LUSHINGTON explained.
Mr. TIERNEY said, that there was not a syllable
in the Bill as yet which had any reference to the sub-
ject which they had been discussing. He maintained
that the old system for the regulation of India had
made, in a few years, more progress towards perfec-
tion than perhaps any other that had ever existed.—
He said, that in every clause of the Bill it would be
found that the Board of Controul was making more
and more rapid strides towards the annihilation of
the Company ; for if the Company should think that
no more licences should be issued, the Board of Con-
troul could cause them to be granted. But he could
not conceive why licences should be granted in order
to carry on what was generally considered as deserv-
ing to be made a free trade. Neither could he con-
ceive why this trade (if it were to be opened at all)
should only be granted to a few. In all that Mi-
nisters had been doing, he thought they had been
putting themselves in the power of the Gentlemen of
the Out-ports: for there was a clause, by which any
1 part of the Bill might be altered, if it were found de-
trimental to the Out-ports. Among the various pro.
visions of the Act, he took notice of that which gave
a power to prohibit certain merchants from trading
to India, and a power to take up people in India, and
send them home. Doubts formerly existed whether
the Governor-General was justified in sending people
home merely of his own authority. But as the power
was now given, he wished to know by whom was the
expense of their passage to be defrayed. Another
clause in the Bill gave the power of appointing a Bi-
shop for India. Now in this exceeding large din:es°,
.extending from the Cape of Good Hope to Cape
Horn, he wished to know what this Bishop would
have to do, and what use was there for an Archdea-
con ? The fact was, that these appointments were
mere jobs, intending to increase the influence of the
Government. The Bill savoured of any thing but a
system, and he defied any man to chew any thing like
system in this business. He maintained, that the Court
of Proprietors were not justified in accepting the Char.
ter, unless they thought they could go on under the
Act without being in a state of dependence on Go-
vernment. If the Company were not to be kept Mire-
pendent, it would be a base and underhand way of
encroaching on the Rights of the Compaq'', by put-
ting them in the situation of beggars every year. His
serious conviction was, that the Court of Directors
could not act upon the law that was now about to be
enacted ; for in a very few years it must lead to the
bankruptcy of the East India Company.
Lord CASTLEREAGH replied to some of the

arguments of Mr. Tierney, and observed, tlmt I.f
had never heard a speech of less solid argument, awl
one less likely to prevent the House from coming to
a determination, than that made use of by the Right
Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down. He seemed
to be anxious that the eloquence which he expend:ct
in vain on Parliament should not be lost elsewhere;
but for his owe part he hoped the Proprietors under.
stood good policy better than refuse such a Charter.
Did the Right Hon. Gentleman think that the pros.
perity or ttownfall of India depended on the extension
of the imports to the outports As the Right lion
Gentleman seemed anxious to apply his arguments
to practical purposes rather than to make an imptes.
sion upon principles, he would gratify him by rnor:ng
that the House do immediately resolve itself into 4
Committee on the Dill.

Mr. IL THORN-TON considered this as a
dangerods experiment to the East India Company.
Mr. MARRYATT strongly nbjt•cted to the plan
of building ships in India, which wits injurious
to the great interests of England.
Mr. C. GRANT entercd at some length into
defence of the Company.
After some remarks from Mr. rAWCRT, the liousr
resolved into the Committee on the Bill, which Ara 6
read pro forma p;—and the Report was ordered to be
taken into further consideration on Wedue,Jay.
The other Orders being disposed of, the Howe, a:
half-past one, Adjourned.

FRENCH PAPERS.

VIENNA, JUNE 12.

M. de Narbonne, Ambassador from France, hi:
this for Dresden, after having received a Courier.
JUNE 10.—Great activity prevails in the Cabinet—
nine couriers arrived on the 4th and sth from Gl6.
chen : our course of exchange continues to improve•