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most distinctly and decidedly deni.d that compensation WAS
given on that ground. (ISeer.) It was a tioroyjout fact that
compensation. as it was ci led, was given as a bribe t %secure
the passing of he Union of Ireland in tit • Irish House o'
Commons (Cheers) But he was reminded by his rvible
and learned friend near him (Lord Plunkett) that twenty.
eight Irish boroughs had been 'struck off, and no e,m,pen,a.
lion wha•ever was allowed. (Hear.) lie recollected well.
when in his place in the /louse of Commons, hearing sir.
Foster declare, in die face of the house. that to effect the
measure of the Union of Ireland, money had been paid a.
bribes, and peerages bartered for votes. (Dear, hear.) It
was usual at &coronation to raise certain parties to the peer.
ap of the country, and he must say, that he did think it
would have been consistent with his duty, as a Minister of
the Crown to advise a creation of peers likely to be &decree
to the present measure of reform • but he declared never were
a set of men more independent in principle elected to the

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int It, wialdi sera to the elwermeisos et Mr. Foreleg the
' late Lewd Loodoodary tired it hint and demanded that he
should make no Insfnuatidas in that House t to which Mr.
Foster replied, •• Mr. eirkft, I make no insiouttines
against any man, I state n so many weds that the bellies
of the Greenman have been held out ; that votes have bete
bought and sold, and Peerages bartered to effect • purpose ; I
make these statements, and no insinuation;" and, continued
Earl Grey, bit. Foster sat down, nor was any answer given
to the charges.--(Hear.) He contended that the distrait-
chising of the boroughs in sch-dule A was no more than
what had been done in former times; the trust was resumed
when it ceased to be beneficial to the parties exercislna it.—
(Hear.) However, it had been said that the system worked
well, and would his Majesty's Ministers, with all the evi.
dines the country bad of its high degree of power and glory,
venture to change a system of representation under which
such results wete apparent! He confessed that the plea of
working well might be carried too far; of this he was satis-
fied that It had neither the affection nor the confidence of the
people of England. (cheers) but so far from its working well no
system ever worked worse, and he was papered to shew it. In
a recent debate in their Lordships' Howe, he understood (for
he was not in the House, but had rani it In the papers,) that
a Noble Baron opposite, (Whinsllll) had made a valuable
admission ; that Noble Lord said that the representation of
Scotland was bad; its doom was this sealed by the admis-
sion of that Noble Lord who was to the present mea-
sure. Nothing amid well be linaolgresdedso absurd and mon.
'trimly ridiculous as the representation of that motley !
With 33 counties, it had only 3000 voters, and making an
allowance fur persons of that number who clearly had no
right to vote, the total was reduced to 2,500, and making a
further allowance of one-half who voted as a right of mere
superiority, the real number was 1250 voter' for the
whole of Scotland. not amounting to more than the
voters of a small borough by the proposed mea-
sure. But were the details of the system gone into,
the absurdity would be more glaring ;—in Argyle.
shire there were ninety-seven boroughs, and only
130 voters;— in Caithness there were only 11 • In Renfrew-
Mike with 115,000 inhabitants, only 152 ;deed ; and of
these on nine voted in right of property.—The last
'he should mention was Bute, which possessed 21 voters;
and of these how 'many voted b virtue of the property
which they had ?—only 000. A laugh.)—How war it
partible to make any distinction between the revamp-
!alien of seilludaces and that of Old Serum. or Dation ?
How could IFire denied that' the Representation of Rrig-
land was equally monstrous, ridiculous, and absurd ? and
how cmild Noble Lords, so the other Mile of the House
retain the one and thalami the other 1 Such a course
was equally against reason, law, and statutes. (Hear, hear.)
But he should observe that ft was not against that House
of Parliam -nt as a body the charge of nomination homughs
1 could with truth be laid; a few wealthy individuals
were aggrandised by them, whilst the whole odium fell on
the Peers as a body : whilst the feet was, they were the pro.
pert' of low contractors, mtornies, and other speculative in-
dividuals, who assumed the power over the country to the
inconvenheace of the Government. He should rand rigidly
fur the rights of Ms own order ; anti it was the fortunate
state Of society In this country, that all were united and
drawn irresistibly to use their influence t'nr the general ad-
vantage of the whole. The Peers of Enema, 'bank Goo.
had none of those immunities which distinguished the old
Peers of France—they mix with the people—live on their
estates, and act as ungismates. He did not hesitate to
say, If it turned out to be the unfortunate decision of the
house to reject the measure width he now had the honour of
proposing, these securities which their lordships now pos-
sessed might be endangered ; whilst, if it passed into a law,
be was psuaded al firmly that the powers of the peerage
and the interest would be rather increased and ren-
dered men sure. That measure had met with an almost
unanimous approval nut of deers. Their lordships had
been tell list it would turn oat like any other popular ex-
citement ; mid emu at the dissolution of Me last Parliament,
it bud been stated, as doubt by very wise men, that the re-
sult of the elating would be unfevourable to the cause of
reform. (Hear, bear, hear.) But what was the present
I.state of public fading as regarded the bill I Petitions in
its favour to an extent unprecokntedly great, had been
already presented, and 'son were to for • could he
then doubt that there was a strong and general feeling in
Its favour. (Hear.) He should not um the language of Intl-
' midation, but be conjured their lordships, as They valued
the prosperity of the country, to listen to the voice of nine.
'tesths•of the whole poculali. Ist, which had been expressed
too loudly not to be Let not noble lords latter
themselves, that if this mesa= of reform be rejected, a more
moderate guessers will be mbithuted with advantage; he
called upon•nobie lads to entertain no such feeling (cheers.)
I Noble lords must either takeabe present bill, or submit to
an alternative infinitely more dangerous. He would not give
way to popular clamour, but be would not remain deaf to
the voice of a unanimous people. What led to conerrio
to the Catholics ? Did not a noble duke opposite, and a
right honourable gentleman in the other house of parlia-
ment, only second to that noble duke In infiusnee, say that it
could no longer be withheld with safety to the country P
That noble duke and right hon. gentleman changed their
fixed ?intone in consequence of the public feeling loudly es-
He ( Earl Grey), with respect to the present measure,
had such change to make; but if he had, he should not
beeitate.to dectare that the feelings of tine people requited it.
(Heat.) *lir Robert Pealed stated in titterer:se to the ea.
Wolk qesation, that public opinion could no longer be with-
stood, to he could no longer remain a member of the go.
, yernment, and shut our the Roman Catholics from a parts-
, cipation in the common benefits of Englishmen. ; the Light
Honourable Gentleman at the same time stated, via the
beet criterion fee judging correctly of public fiebrig upon
say question d in Parliament, was to take a certain
number Of the principal counties and towns, arid see bow their
representatives voted en that question. Tile light Hon.
G adman, on the occasion alluded to, selected 1 orkshire.
' aliddleax, Sort, and some ocher counties, to the number of
twelve—the mat important in Rnglarol.; of these there se e
nineteen for the measure. and sercuteen against it. shewing
a majority for public feeling of only two; Bad yet that was
auMeient to induce the Right Honourable liwieutan to
change his opinions in favour of the CaMolics ; now, witha-
spect to die towns and cities selected, there were London,
Westininster, Southwark, Derby, Car isle, Chester, and
others, to the amount of forty-two; and the general 'tumult
was, twenty-six foe the Catholics, and simeeasgainst than;
so there were in isinntits nineteen mu revenues', and in towns
and boroughs 'misty-six to sixteen, which was suilleient to
Induce Sir R. Peel to shandun nis former opinion. and adopt
the skit of the people. New s hat *as the stall of the alt.
Term locales during the Pali:sinew? Thete were twenty.
trees omit, members for the measure and nine whoa A;
taking the tame 2$ towns as those Peltetett by Ste Robert
Peel, Mae were 37 fur and eight against fit. Rau this!
majority in the last Parliament he thought was pretty Mei- .
itae ; but hew did the mem stand at .pecans ? -(tAtes..)
Of these ninety-two tonne every Ii divio.u.l Member mad;
in flavour of the bill, the very cream of I.gland as it were,'