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thought the bill was likely, by "means of composition and
commutation, to remove the differences which so frequently
arose between parishioners and their pastors." If those
dill:resets could be reMoved for ever, in the words quoted by
the Noble Lord on the Woolsack, it was " a consummation
devoutly to be 'Meth" but every Noble Lord who had
turned his attention te the subject must be aware that these
dialculdes wars of tao great magnitude to be surmounted
by a angle meastule. (Hear, bear.) The bill, how-
ever, by enlarging the time allowed for composition of tithes,
and by giving security for their being paid, would in some
measure remedy the nil. On those grounds be agreed with
the Noble Earl (Centavos) that it would be advisable for
the Noble Lord to abstain from proceeding with the present
Bill, in order that the Bill of the Rev. Prelate might be fur-
thered with the least delay possible, particularly as that Bill
would be a step towards the attainment of his own object.
Ile hoped that the Bill of the Rev. Prelate, emanating as it
did from the Church, would put an end to those unjust re-
flections on the Church, as if its members were ever unwil-
ling to make any sacrifices for the good of the community.
He hoped the Noble Lord would withdraw his motion, even
with a view to its ultimate success ; but if he persevered, he
(Earl Grey) should feel compelled to vote for the postpone-
ment.
On the motion of Viscount MELBOURNE, the Lord
Lieutenant of Ireland bill was read a third time, and passed.
The House adjourned at Nine o'Clock.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Sir R. VYVYAN, Mr. J. BROUGHAM, and two other
Members, took the oaths and their seats.
Lord KI LLEEN moved that a new writ should issue for
the county of Meath, in the room of Sir M. Somerville, de-
ceased.—Ordered-
Lord BELG RAVE brought up the report of the Mon-
mouth election committee, which declared that B. Hall,
Esq. bad not been duly elected, but that the Marquis of
Worcester had, and ought to have been returned to serve
in Parliament.

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Lord AIORPETII presented apctition from certain per-
sons Interested in the Leeds and Manchester railway, com-
plaining that tneinbers of the committee upon the bill in
question voted in the committee, without knowing the facts
of the cue, The noble lord supported the statement of the
petitioners, and said that this was a practice that ought to be
done away with, as it tended to lessen the respect which the
peeple ought to entertain for Parliament. The petitioners
prayed for • re.commitment of the bill, or that a committee
of appeal might be appointed to consider the vote of the
committee on the bill.
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Mr. C. WI NNE deprecated further discussion on this
subject at present, and suggested that the petition be brought
up and printed, and that notice for a future day should be
given, when the merits of the case might be entered into.
Mr. LITTLETON agreed with the suggestion thrown
out by his right honourable friend.
Lord MOB BETH assented to the suggestion thrown out.
and moved that the discussion should be renewed on Wed-
nesday night ; and in reply to an hon. member, sa:d that the
opposers of 6ts4bill had no intention of bringing the subject
on again this session.
=Mr. 0. BANKES gave notice, that to-mcorow he would
present a petition from Great Beduin, relative to the Re.
form Bill ; and also, that he would move that the Bo-
rough of Great Bcdwin be removed from schedule A to
schedule B.

Mr. H. DEAN presented a petition ftom Swaffham,
against the use of molasses in distillation, and that the duty
on sugar be reduced.
Mr. EVANS presented a petition from Leicester, against
the corn laws.

Sir F. BURDETT took that occasion to say that these
resitictiona upon the importation of corn were u disadvab.
tattenus to the landed interest as to any other.
Mr. MOORE O'FARRELL brought in a bill, which
was read a first time, allowing landed proprietors to make
embankments, ite. The hon member also presented a pe-
tition from Kildare, against the tithe system.
Mr. SADLER presented a petition from an individual
'lmbed Parker, praying that the House might adopt some
measure to give entployment to the Irish poor. Also, a
petition from the protestant inhabitants of Galway, praying
that the right of suffrage might be extended to the catholic
hihabltants of that town.

Mr. HUNT presented a petition from Huddersfield, in
Yorkshire, praying that the inhabitants might be repre-
sented in Parliament. The petition was signed by 6,000
persons. They prayed that the suffrage might be univer-
sal, or Preston suffrage ; that Parliaments might be
shortened ; and that the electors might be protected by the
ballot.

Sir E. SUODEN said that notice ought to be taken
by the House. that even before the Reform Bill had been
passed, large bodies of the people were calling out for uni-
versal suffrage.
Mr. O'CONNELL said it ought also to be recollected
that larger bodies of the people were opposed to the present
system of representation.
Mr. HOBHOUSE hoped that means would be taken to
facilitate the passing of the Reform Bill, and that the house
would meet at ten o'clock in the morning for the purpose,
as the House of Lords did in the case of the Queen's trial,
because, if the present course were continued, the bill would
not pass the Committee for the next three or four weeks.
111 r. C. WYNNE. said it would be inconvenient for the
house to sit, as it would interfere with election petitions be-
fore committees.
Lord A LTHORP said the subject alluded to by the bon.
menther for Westminster had been under the consideration
of the government, but he must admit that nothing had as
yet occurred that would warrant the house In taking so ex-
traordinary a course; but if it were necessary, if it were
found that, by delay, an attempt would be made to get rid of
the bill, then it was very likely he would make a motion by
which the progress of the bill would be facilitated.
Col. DAVIES thought that if they went on in the way
they did, they would not get through with the bill for six
months, let alone three or four weeks. The people of Eng.
land were anxious that the Bill should pass, and they would
think that they were trifled with, if the present system were
continued. Why, the house had been discussing this bill
for a length of time, and yet they were oily in the first part
of the first clause.

Sir E. B. SUODEN thought that there was a threat made
use of in the oberrations made by the noble lord opposite
(Lord Althorp r) (so.) Well, he understood the observa-
tions In that sense. He hoped lint it was not intended to
exclude gentlemen of the bar from discussing this bill, whi,h
would be the cue, V the proposition of the hon. immix: fcr
Westniinter were acceded to.

Lord ALT HORP never ir.tentled, under existing cir-
cumstances, to adopt the suggestion thrown out by the Hon.
Member for Westminster. There might, however, arise a
period when such a course would be deemed advisable, if by
delay, an effort was made to get rid of the bill. (Hear.)
And with respect to the observation of the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman, as to the Mend tre of the legal profession, it was
always the doctrine of that house that tt.e first duty of a
Member of Parliament was his duty in that house. (Hear.)
Mr. PRINGLE moved for a new writ for the county of
Peebles, in the room of Sir Montgomery, deceased.
Messengers from*
the House of Lords declared that their
Lordship. had passed several private bills.
COMMITMENT or THE HON. NIL LONG WELLESLEY.
The SPEAKER informed the house that be had received
' a letter from the Lord High Chancellor of England, declar-
ing that he had committed the Hon. Mr. Long Wellesley to
the Fleet for coi:tempt of Court, he having removed his
daughter, a ward of tliv Court, from the protection of the
Court, and refusing in open Court to deliver die infant up.
The Lou' Chancellor said he had no doubt upon his mind
of the power that was vested in him to commit the hon.
member in question, because be had the authority of a case
of a noble peer, who being similarly circumstanced, was Meat-
lady treated ; but be felt bound, out of the profound respect
which lie had for the House of Commons and it. privileges,
to acquaint the House with the tact In question. The letter
were signed "Brougham, Chancellor."
The SPEAKER then said that he had another letter,
which came from the lion. Mr. Wellesley. The letter was
dated Saturday, and stated that the writer had been ordered
into confinement for not answering to an interrogatory put
by the Lord Chancellor, respecting the elopement of his
(ate writer's) child. He submitted that his committal was
an infringement of that privileges of the House of Commons,
of the rights of his constituents, of those of the people, and
of his own. He therefore made this formal complaint, in
order that the matter might be taken into the serious eon.
sideration of the House.

Lord ALT HORP said he believed that that was the first
case of the kind that had occurred to a member of that house.
In this case, he thought that the privileges of parliament
ousht not to extend to the hon. member in question, because
lie bad violated the rules of a High Court of Judicature, and
placed its power in contempt, by removing from it a child
which was a ward of the Court, and stating In Court that he
would not return the infant. There was, he admitted, no
precedent for this proceeding, and his suggestion was that
the matter should be referred to a Committee.
Mr. C. WYNNE quite agreed in the suggestion thrown

out by the noble lord. The only cases in which the privi-
leges of perilement did not extend were treason, felony, and
Wadi ot dm peen. The question would be whether the
contempt in "modes ainounted to a breech of the peace,
because It wan only in that acs in which the matter could
be considered; and to say that a mere contempt of court
was to subject a member of parliament to committal, would
be monstrous. (Hear.)
Sir R. PEEL quite concurred in the course suggested by
the noble lord.
After a few words from Mr. O'Connell, Sir C. Wetherell,
Mr. R. Grant, Sir C. Burrell, and Sir J. Searleft,
Mr. BARING said, that he was one of those who did not
wish the privileges of Parliament to be extended further than
necessubf Be: would suggest an inquiry next Session into
the yr exemption from debt, which was indeed a
great al to that house.
The motion was then agreed to, and the committee are to
sit to-morrow.
sUPPLY.
Upon the motion of lend ALTHORP, that the house
resolve itself into a committee of supply,
Mr. DAWSON wished to ask if any and what orders had
been given to shoot dogs in Hyde Park ? Seven dogs had
lately been shot in that Park. It was a most dangerous and
disgusting practice, and he wished to call the attention of
the government to the subject. What right, he asked, bad
a keeper to shoot a dog following a gentlemen in Hyde
Park. He had seen dogs, from the lap dog up to the New-
foundland dog, lying dead In the Park.
Lord DUNCANNON said that Hyde Park was not
under the Commissioners of Woods and Forests. He on a
former occasion promised that no dog should be shot unless
it was following a deer, and if any dogs had been shot under
other circumstances, the keepers had violated their order.