Star.
London, England, 1830-05-26 00:00:00

SEER SILL.

Mr. BRANSTON asked on what day the next discussion on the
Beer Bill would take place ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it was Im-
possible for him at present to name a day: he was negotiating to
procure a day for the purpose, of which due notice should be given.

CANADA.

Mr. LABOUCHERE said he felt how incompetent he was to do
justice to the great question which he had undertaken to bring un-
der the notice of the house. But he hoped the consideration of the
feebleness of the advocate would secure an increased attention on the
pert of the house to the important subject he was about to lay be-
lies it. He would refer the house to the publication of Mr. Cam-
Wiese. Report to the United States, to show the rut importance
of the Cahadas to this country. He was confident that every thing
that could be done by the present Governor of the Canada to
maintain a good feeling between them and the mother country
bad been done. It was now two years since a committee of theHoose
of Commons had recommended new measures towards the Camila
of the utmost importance to their welfare, and as he could see ands
any assurance that their recommendation would be acted Imes,
and as he knew that in consequence of the delay a growing
spirit of discontent was taking place in the Canada, be thought
it his duty to bring the subject before the house, that the hews
might accelerate the adoption of the recommendation of the awn.
mittee, and give assurance to the people of Canada, that their
just complaints were not disregarded. - (Hear.) That committee
bad recommended a complete alteration in the constitution of the
Legislative Council of tiada, which was the Aristocratic House
of Assembly. When the Canada Committee examined the Con-
stitution of this body, they found that in Lower Canada, out of
117 members 18 were placemen, and only 9 native Canadians ;
and they found that in Upper Canada, out of 18 members, there
were 12 placemen. It was unoeeessary to say that these bodies
were constantly acting in unison with the executive Govern.
meat, which, unhappily was constantly opposed to the in.
WNW and feelings of 'the people. All the highly respect-
able witnesses examined by the committee, stated their opinion that
if the legislative councils were made independent that would be an
end of the disputes between the executive and the house of repre-
sentatives. There was ra time that injurious distinctions existed
between the Preach and English Canadians ; but these distinctions
were not now felt. The present system of the administration of jus.
tics deserved the serious consideration of the bouse.—(Hear, bear.)
The judges held their commissions at the pleasure of the
crown. That was one of the objections taken by Mr. Pen
to Mr. Pitt's bill, and Lord Grenville admitted that it shall
be continued but for a short time. He would not presume to pee'
pose any thing that had not been recommended by the committee of
the house. The judges' salaries depended on an annual vote of the
House of Assembly, which was most objectionable. The fact was
notorious, that they were political patinas. They were members
of the Executive Council, and also of the Legislative Council. It
was impossible, in their circumstances, that they should not become
poLdeal partisans. He would state one instance of the prac-
tical effect of this system in the Court of Quebec, the Chief Jus-
tice of which was a member of the Executive Council and a chairman
of the legislative council, and his son was the sheriff, paid by the
government. There was a number of prosecutions in that mart
for libels against the government, and the feeling was universal,
that not one of the defendants had the least chance of a fair trial.
He was always of opinion, that the only means of governing Ca.
nada well was to give them the means of administering equal jus-
tice amongst themselves.—The committee had strongly recommended
that the legislative council should be made independent of the
crown, and that the judges should 'not hold sets in the arseudve
council. He was unwilling to put the question on any etherves&
than that of justice; but he would mention that the house would soon
, be celled on to vote 200,0001. for military works for the defence of
Canada, and be would implore them not to neglect the cheap de.
fence of the people's love, which could be We-many secured by
doing justice to the Canadian,. The hon. gentleman essdstied by
moving, that ft was expedient that thelegislative councils of the
, Canada should be rendered inthpendent ! ie executive gems.
meat, and that the judges should not be members of the executive
council.—.(Great cheers.)
Lord 13ANDON supported the resolutions, as founded inj:tastats,
and necessary to the security of the connection between the
and this country.
Sir GEORGE MURRAY said the hon. gentleman had ors.
ducted the canoe he bad undertakes with great ability and modem.
Lion. Redid nst abject lathe pdadple of the resolutions t hut the,
implied that gameneasnt bad net nisi on the recommendation of
the Canada memehass. If the bless would attend to the papers he
had laid balms the home, they wadi bed that every recommends.
don of the cemmittee had bum esseththoded to the attention of the
Gamest d Cam& He had received the Governor's answer last
ateek sad his opinion was entirely in accordance with the sitcom.
chidestithemmunittee. The asedeatises to the Legislative
Omen were for life, and it was the desmenbethed Governesses, as
vammtin scoured, sot to appoint any jettison poems bolding aim
het m ad he strict conformity to the reeememe of she aseendt.
be. (Um) The dl>seslty of sepplybg the mistsmado path of
the 141111Outtiw of Canada was very senddonals, bat was esesteady
hemming. He was hippy to jele the heesemble gentheise la
his pmegyeic of the proem Gomm of Canada. It was *
advantage to have a fiethseer Comb so able and so err as
Sir Jibes ICampt.— (Hest, bers.)—lt was impassible to object to
the passel principle of the ladependisass of Judges ; but the Colo-
nies formed an exception to the gem& tale; it was so diseslt to
be certain how Judges might asst whoa suit to a distant colony.—
lie thought there was se greatthown is leaving the power el re.
moral with the Crows, ae as vainistee would advise the removal
der Judge, but oa the strongest wide grounds.—{ Hear, hut&
He . could
setadmit that the Lopilmies Council was who
mad by the Government of Cassia; he then was a abs d
the ethaell lest year, in which them was an equal number opine
i=sment manure. The esedatioo would have the list of
ing the council, which it was not is the power of the Go.
vernment to change, but by degrees ae vacancies occurred. He
shad& therefore move the previous question.
Lord HOWICK could not agree with the right boo. Secretary,
that the beam bi agreeing to the resolutions mat an imputation on
Govemassat. Me would say that the spirit et the right haw Imo
louse's dimpatehes to Comb did Was peat honour but be dough'

there was too much delay, and the people of Canada were naturally
dissatisfied. if the Judges of Canada could not at once be nmocrd
from the legislative council they might from the executive council
where their presence was mat objectionable.
Mr. W. HORTON thought that the conduct of government
showed their sincerity in professing • determination to act on the
recommendation of the committee, and fully entitled them to the
confidence of the house, and he should be sorry to see the resolu.
Lions ptesstd to a division.
Lord ALTHORP said he highly valued the connee ion with
the Canadas, and thought the best way to preserve it was to
give the people a perfectly free constitution. That they might
have all the advantage of governing themselves, and of a coo.
nection with this country.—(Hear, (tear, hear.) The statements of
the right honourable secretary were most satisfactory ; but he
thought the Canadas had a right to the security which a resolution
of that house could give. The resolutions now proposed were to
perfect accordance with the opinions and feelings of the people co
Canada. The resolution had his most hearty support.
Mr. hIAURICE FITZGERALD lamented that the subject
of colonial legislation should not have been carried on in
• better spirit of amity and goodwill. He concurred with his
noble friend who spoke last, that no discussion on this side of the
water was likely to pacify Canasta. He could not think that there
was such differences between the government of that country sod
the people, likely to induce the British government to adopt any
measure from an unworthy motive. He believed the people of
Canada were firmly attached to this country, and should be happy
to see a free legislature established there, which would be the beat
means of ensuring prosperity. He thought the resolutions unne.
cessary, although he agreed with them on an abstract principle.
Mr. E. DEN ISON said, the only objection that the Secretary of
State for the Colonial Department had, was as to the time, and not
to the resolutions themselves, If the legislative email was to be
left as it now was, no conciliation could take place. It was now a
mere tool in the hands of government. The judges ought to be se.
parated from all political transactions, and also from seats in the
council. He holiest justice would be done to Canada.
Sir GEORGE MURRAY said a few words in explanation.
Mr. M. FITZGERALD had given full credit to ministers, that
all they had done was in the spirit of pacification—(Hear.)
Mr. CHARLES GRANT was happy to hear that we was;
not longer to have one constitution at home another far
the colonies. The time had arrived when it would no longer
be said, that the inhabitants of the colonies were not capable
of enjoying the blessings of a free institution. He hailed with
gratitude the measures that had been adopted in Canada....
And he rejoiced to hear from the sight hon. secretary the plan of po.
licy It was intended in future to adopt towards Canada. As it re.
garded himself personally, he was quite satisfied, and he hoped the
plan contained in the declaration of the tight hon. gentleman, would
be followed by all succeeding governments. Ii the resolutions Ilrl%
withdrawn he should not regret it.
Mr. STUART WORTLEY said, the only question before
the House was, whether or not it was necessary to adopt the re.
solutions. He thought it was not, particularly as they were cal.
misted to censure the Government and the Legislative Council of
Canada.
Mr. HUM E rose amidst loud cries of question. He thought it
would be of service to press the motion to a division, as it would
show the people of Canada that there was • party in that House
that felt for their condition. He knew the eyes of the people of
Canada were directed to the proceedings of Parliament.—
Government ought to give to the colonies the whole disposal of their
revenue nothing short of this would satisfy them. His Majesty's
Government, fos the last two years had done nothing for Canada.—
(Question.).—They treated the Assembly of Upper Canada as if
they were not to be considered as entitled to the claim of indepeod.
ence. The right hon. gem. promised fair : he wished he would
carry those promises into execution.—(Load cries of " Question.
question ! withdraw, withdraw !")
Lord MILTON was surprised at the doctrine laid down by hie
right hon. friend; and he thought the system of Government in try.
ing to obtain an influence in the legislative council highly census.
able. He did not wish to hold up to the people of Canada that
there was a party in that house that felt for their interests and wel.
fare, but that there was • principle in Parliament by which all were
actuated, and which was exercised on their behalf and interest.

Sir ROBERT PEEL could not let this subject pass without a
few observations. It bad been complained of that the Judges of
Ceosda were not independent. Now, as regarded that ques.
ties oath depended upon the inducements held out to individuals
taking that othce ; it depended much upon the population
a 1 OM Ass the had jurisdiction, and of the emoluments of
the Alm In i the salary of a Judge was only 9001. per
year, and he t under all the circumstances if they
were ands independent of the Crown it would be the means
of eosturdng the pure and impartial administration of justice.—
He thought his hon. friend, in bringing forward his resolutions, had
meted hataly towards the Secretary for the Colonies, who had filled
up the hat three nannies in strict accordance with the 110:001.
amediden el the aninittee that investigated into the subect. He
mend the Haw wasid not adopt the resolutions. lie wished
to ass the sissies hal wean is the mother country, which
mull only be by pining the good will of the ie.
habitants.
lie. LABOUCHERE replied, en the grounds that be had stated.
be felt called upon to take the noes of the house.
The house then divided, when there appeared.
For the Resolution
Against it . .

Majority in favour of the original question........ 69
TOBACCO DUTY.

Mr. CHARLES CALVEit mood that a petition respecting
the duties on tobacco which he had presented should be reared to
a select committee.

The eiibibELLOß of the EXCHEQUER opposed it. If
the petition was referred to a committee, be was confident the pen.
tioners would not be benefited, he should therefore oppose such a
COMM _ .

-111 tr a few words from Mr. C. CALVZRT, strangers were ordered
to withdraw. The motion, however, was negatived without a division.
Sir R. PEEL moved that the Report on the Forgeries Bill be rt.
calved. Be trusted that this motion would be acquiesced in, with.
out observation; but on the understanding that any discussion on is
mietprt e place on the third reading.
agreed to, and bill ordered to be read a third time c:-.
Friday.
Mr. RICE moved that the Galway Franchise Bill be read a third
time.

Mr. DALY moved that the bill be read a third time this day
six moothls.
Mr. TRANT opposed the bill, because, as it was framed, it
would give a preponderating influence to the Roman Catholics in
Galway.
Mr. NORTH also opposed the bill, and on the like ground.
The house divided on the question. The numbers were—
For the Bill.. 77
Against It
Majority for the Bi11.
The result was received with loud cheering.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER postponed the
Sale of Beer Bill till Thursday next, amidst some laughter at the
rltepostponement of the Bill.
remaining orders having been disposed of, the house ad•
journed at a Quarter to Two o'Clock.

We have good reason for stating that there is no foun-
dation whatever, beyond some partial indisposition, for
the rumours which have been of late so industriously
circulated with respect to a certain Illustrious Individual,
whom the precarious condition of our present Sovereign
has rendered an object of the liveliest national concern.
The utmost decorum and discretion have governed his
conduct ; he has had more than one conference with his
Royal Brother, the result of which has been alike ho-
nourable and agreeable to both parties ; and the very
delicate and confidential communications which the
Royal Sufferer has entrusted to the ear of his Brother
and presumptive Successor, have been received with a
good feeling and good sense in the highest degree con-
solatory to the Illustrious Sufferer. It may be that
equal discretion has not characterised the language
and behaviour of certain persons, connected by ties,
however close, unknown to the law, with the Prince,
and that pretensions, founded on precedents drawn
from the worst periods of the British Annals, may
have been somewhat rashly sod presumptuously 10-
vsnced ; but they have met with no countenance; and
if they are not warned in time, they may have cause
to regret their imprudence Hampton Court is spoken
of as the probable residence of the future Sovereigs:
and a provisional Regency as one of the earliest mss•
surss of a new reign; but this last, with regard to do
tender years of the then Heiress Presumptive—not
assuredly with reference to any thing in the health,
mental or physical, of the expectant Sovereign. It is
rumoured that a surveyor has already visited Hampton
Court with a view to the renovation and enlargement
of the Palace.—Chronicle.