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cesaVellielne Of the house, he should propose the melbas.
doe of the wine dudes.

11V.A7DOlitilailoped the noble lurd would not bring
forward the wpr duties, 'Khasi giving time for the finest
consideration.

Lord ALTHORP said he should net bring forward the
subject to-night ; but probably should nest Monday
ROTIDIAT STEAMER.
Colonel SI BTU ORP hoped the Government would give
attention to the drcumstances attending the melancholy loss
of the Bethany Steamer, and would bring in • Bill that
might have the effect of preventing such catastrophes from
ingligiace•
Mr. LA MB said he had only beard of the melancholy
fact through the ordinary channels; but the most particular
inquiry should be made; after which It might be judged
proper to proceed to make acme enactment with a view to
prevention.
ADJOURNMENT or raz mows& '
Sir B. PRIM said, as the Noble Lord opposite did not
seem disposed to accede to his proposal for an adjournment,
he should merely state, that he had hoped when the period
of adjournment should be determined on, that the noble lord
would give the house the earliest information. (Hear.)
LordiALTHORP said he could not hold out any prsopeet
den adjournment, more than the very &bort one of the day
of the coronation. (ilear.)

IVA: UN.
Lord ELIOT said, in the debate on Belgium the hon.
and learned member for Kerry had contradicted Kim un some
facts respecting the freedom of religion allowed by the King
the Netherlands. The noble lord read an extract from an
address of the Belgian Bishops to the King, which com-
plained of the King's determination to grant equal protec-
tion to all reliAione. The noble lord stated some other
points I. which the honourable and learned gentleman's
statements were in error, and was certain he would have no
objection to retract.
Mr. O'CONNELL said the statements he had made
was go fat from being exaggerated, that they tell short of
the reality. The learned gentleman went into some state-
ments in proof of this assertion, and said there vas never •
mum iniquitous union imposed on any people titan that of
the Belgians with Holland, one only eteepted, England and
behind. The kingdom of Belgium had for fourteen years
been ruled, as regarded the press, with the utmost despotism.
Not a year passed over without a prosecution, and in one
day there had actually been thirty-two prosecutions insti-
tuted. The hon. member stated a case of an individual who
had petitioned for permission to institute a prosecution
mains' the dlinister of Police, for having banished from
Belgium two gentlemen, who were subsequently declared in-
nocent of the crime for whirl they had been banished; and
the petition of this individual had been answered by an
imprisonment of sixty six days, without bail ; and he
was afterwards tried for a transportable oldie t he was,
fortunately fur himself, acquitted, but that he did get off
be was in nowise indebted to the King of the Ne.berlands.l
Thais was another case of a priest, who was a literary cha-
ncier, and amused himself with writing Latin poetry • and
be had chanced one evening, at a party in a private house,
so be reciting some of his own composition, one line of which
expressed a sentiment " that Belgium was ignorant of bow
Ito submit to a foreign yoke;" and for this expression, recited
in a private party, he was tried, and imprisoned for two
yarn. lie would ask hoes members present if they could
conceive any thing more oppressive, and what would be the
feeling experienced in this country if such effusions were to
be visited with such rigour when we read or sung " Britan-
nia tides the waves." As the case of De Potter had been
mentioned. he would again allude to it. De Putter had bees
prosecuted far libel, but the law was found insueleient to
reach hint ; and then he was proceeded against fors conspi-
racy, for what he had written in the public papers, and was
banished for 7 years. Vander &radian, a counsel who held
several lucrative employments, and the private friend of Del
Potter, was threatened with being deprived of all his platesl
Why appeared in his profession to plead for De Potter.—
&radian, regardless of the threat, declared himself ready tol
plead hi friend's cause, and accordingly appeared to defend'
him at the bar, but he had only opened his mouth and ut-
used " Messieurs," when a message from the King was
served upon him that stripped him of all his political rights.
On this seven of his brother Counsellors signed a petition in'
his behalf, praying for his restoration ; and for their inter-
ference, even by petition, they were all imprisoned fur seven
weeks, and also deprived of their political rights, which'
were net restored to them till after a lapse of a twelve-
month. The press of Belgium was even subjected to pro.
widens from fureigoers, for the beloved Ferdinand of '
Spain had Instituted a prosecution against a printer there
fee publishing a paragraph that we have all heard
of, relating to his skill in embroidery, and the well-
known stiwy of the petticoat. There were other power.
ful individuals who had likewise ptocceded against the preys
of Belgium, among whom was the Duke of Wellington.
Some writer published a paragraph, stating c transaction
which he attributed to the Duke of Wellingtoe, as an
egad on his pact to Indus France to throw itself into the
arms 434 this country. This his Grate thought a wicked libel,
and 'imitated proceedings against the publisher. laying his
damages at 10,000 francs. The action was tried, and the
Disks of Wellington recovered damages of ire francs.—
The boa member added a number of instanoi, and mid,
that he could go on and adduce others for another hoar. The
he.. member then entered into a general reply to the alb-
ptions which had been made against his former momenta.
and emitended that he had advanced nothing for which he
was notipmpared with data and substantial proofs of the
facts. Under these circumstances be thought hard to be
taxed with making false statements. The noble lord was
wrong in saying that it rested upon the mention of the
public press in this country, and to that source might be
traced the origin of these alleged calumnies t the calumnies
on the other aide might be traced to another source- there
was • debt due by the King of die Netherlands, and
O'Connell) had no doubt but there were several in
who had an interest in that debt. The NOM member eon.
eluded by saying, that for stating these truths he had been
assailed in a manner that of which he would rather be
the object than the author. He had nut exaggerated any
of his statements, and be had shown that the Belgians were
lesactioned In doing what they had dot.e, and be hoped
that the link which ,they had broken, miner never spin be
stake&

Lord ALTHORP thought that a discussion on the con-
duct of the King of Holland was quite irrelev.un. But as
the noble lord wished to reply to the statement of the hon.
and learned gentleman, he did no: object to that, not could
he also refuse the same permission to the hoo. and learned
gentleman in reply. He hoped. however, that the ilivcouion
would proceed no igniter. (Hear.)
After soineubservations front blr R. Yv•van and another
boa. hfieverica, on a point of older, the house went into a
committee of supply.
Upon the motion that the sum of MVO. Ills. 31 be
granted to Messrs. Lescene and Escoffery, se remuneration
leseitheir being deported from the island of Jamaica as aliens,
they being at the time British-born subjects,
Mr. HUM E protested spinet the grant in question, on
the ground that the people of England ought DOC to pay for
the improper acts of Governor of Jamaica.
Mr. S. RICE said, that although the present grant was
not created by the present government, )et he was prepared
to justify it. The right honourable gentleman then went
into a statement respecting the origin of this grant, which
was reported at length a few nights since. In consequence
of a report made on this subject, a sum of money wu agreed
to be paid to the individual* in qustion ; part of this sum was
~
Uy paid to them, and all that was now asked by the go-
vernment was, that this house would make good an engage-
ment that had been entered into by a former government.
Sir G. MURRAY said that, when he cone into office, the
ease of the individuals came under his notice, and he made
a report on the subject to the Treasury. He thought that
the grant ought to be made, u it had undergone the scrutiny
of more than one government.
After a fee/Porde from Mr. Burge, Sit J. Williams, Mr.
Wane, Lord owick, and Sir J. Burka.
Sir C. WETHERELL thought it would be going too
fat to make the Duke of Manchester, who sassed the persons
in question, upon an address presented to him, to be de.
'pored; it would be going too tar, he said, that the Duke of
Manchester should be called upon to pay a aunt of money to
remunerate persons whom he had deported, under the advice
of the Attorney-General of the Island of Jamaica. As the
case had been reported upon, be thought government ought
to attend to that report.
hit. F. PALMER was in favour of the grant.
Mr. &leant WILDE thought that this Government was
bound to remunerate persons suffering from the acts of its
officer; and the Duke of Manchester was, to all intents and
surpass, the officer of this Government, as Governor of

Mr. O'CONNELL said that the persons in question
wits molly treated. They wished foe trial, and they mold
not pt it. Thaw persons were deserving of remuneration
fawn some one. He would support the grant.
Mr. HUNT admitted that an set of injustice bad been
done to the in question, bat he asked, wire the
starving popeel England to pay :or thb injustift P Hs

' thought that the Government of Jamaica might to be made
to pay, through the Duke of Manchester.
Allow a few words from Mr. F. Palmer, Mr. Barge, and
Mr. B. Dossier,
Mr. HUMS observed that the present Government was
not bound to sanction soy grants made by the bite govern-
ment. The qussdon was this, these two individuak were
injured, and who was to Wilma," than P He (Mr. Moine)
would say the assembly. The Duke of Manahan'r bad
acted under the saneden of the assembly. Two commission-
ers on the spot had decided that these individuals ware not
sodded to any thing. Tet, in spite of this, Rail Bathurst
submitted the letter to another tribunal. For these reseals
he should oppose the g ant.
The house then divided, when them appeared
For tie grant 117
Against it 12
Majority few Ministers —405
On the motion that 6,7941. be granted for the Protestant
charter Reboots in Ireland.
Mr. HUMS asked how loop this grant we. to continue
Mr. S. MCI replied that next year it was to be reduced
to 3,000. and afterwards discontinued.
After a few words from Mr. &Corinna. and Mr.
LEADIM, the grant was agreed to.
On the motion that 27,0241. be granted for the Foundling
Hospital,
Mr. RUT HVEN considered this grant objectionable on
a general principle, but under the particular circumstances
of that country, he hoped the grant would not be objected to.
Mr. S. RICH observed that, since the Union, this Insti-
tution had cost the country 844.0001. yet it had bees found
that education had not been promoted by it ; under such
circumstances, he thought that it was fit to get rid of It as
soon as convenient.

After some desultory observations, the grant was agreed to.
On the motion that 21,2001. be granted to support the
Routs of Industry and Lanatic Asylum in Dublin,
Mr. HUM X complained of the reduction In that item not
being carried far enough.
& RICK observed that the reduction in the salaries
of the servants was carried as far as it reasonably could be.
The vote was then agreed to.
.11100311 were then granted for the Richmond Lunatic
Asylum.
£6,323 were granted for the Hibernian Society, for the
education of soldiers' children.

On the motion that 1,2681. be granted fur the Hibernian
Marine Society,
Mr. 1111 ME complained of 221. per bend being allowed
for the support ethos' children.
The vote was then agreed to.
11,291 were granted for the Female °ellen Home,
Dublin.

42,900 were granted for Westmoreland Lock Hospital
42,000 were gamed fur the Lying-in Hospital.
11.678 were granted for Dr. Stephens• Hospital
£2,8U0 were granted foe the Fever Hospital, Cork-atteet,
Dublin.

£485 were granted for the Hospital for Incurables.
The Cumulus then reported progress. and the house
resumed. when the report was ordered to be brought up on
Wednesday.

TEI will DUMB.

Lord ALTHOlii'itavingoveti& second reading of
the wine Duties SIX_

11r. COURTEN A Y rose to express his objections to
this measure. When he was in office in his Majesty's
Government, be acquired such information respecting this
subject, as te be convinced that an equalisation of the
wine dutks could Dot take place without a breach of our
compact with Portugal. The Methuen treaty would be
violated, if this measure pasted. That treaty was intended
to be perpetual, and had lasted longer than any treaty
which we ever had with any nation. He was astonished to
bear the noble Lord (Althorp) state, that it was coupe.
tent for either party to put an end at any time to the
treaty, by paying the penalty. He was surprised to bear
from the Chancellor-of the R erackequ which was
to be in the mouth of every smuggler, Oasnely, that
there was Do harm in smuggling goods, but that they should
thereby be subject to a penalty. He would repeat that he
was astonished to hear the Noble Lord, who was distinguish.
ed for his candour, support this measure with the ingenuity
of a pertifegger. He was ready to admit, that if Portugal
bad been guilty of a breach of the treaty of 1703, it was coin. I
petent fee as to put an end to that treaty. As a Member of
the House of Commons, he had Do knowledge eta violation
ut that treaty. If there was a breach of the usaty, the facts
should be laid before the house, in order that they might de-
cide on them. He contended that the treaty could sot be
altered, except by mutual consent, and that it was not cont.,
patent for us to put an end as it, without the eannerreace of
Portugal. The violation of ibis treaty was net esosistent
either with the laws of honour or the law filmdom.

Mr. ROBINSON could out help feeling thankful to the
Right Hoe. Gentleman for having so courteously interposed
between the resolutions which be gave nodes to move au the
second reeding of this Bill. He did not think that the op.
poems of the measure bad benefited much by the arguments
of the Right Hon. Gentleman, for that Right Hon. Gentle-
man had rested the impolicy of the measure on the Methuen
treaty. Whereas he (Mr. Robinson) thought it should be
argued solely on its own merits, fur it was evident that it
was competent for tither nation to put an end to that treaty
after UMID, by giving notice. The Hon. Member then pro-
ceeded to observe that if this measure pawed, Pert would
be justified in equalising the duty on all ties ex.
pored from this country, which in HMO amounted to two
millions and a half, independently of two hundred thousand
poendsworth of cod fish from Newfoundland. The govern.
meat of those countries are opposed to the importation of our
manufactures, particularly France. The noble lord says that
he wants to encourage a trade with France. So did be. But
the nobe bold had already a trade with Portugal, and the trade
with Prestos was only in expectancy. We to..k from France
3,000,0001. a year, and she only took from us 000,0001
It was the policy et France to encourage ha own
manufactures. He was endues to encourage a tree
trade with France, but despaired of suocrA. Francs
was aware that she was not able to compete with us.
and the admission of our manufactures would destroy her
manufactures altogetner. America was acting on the same
principle. and was acting foe the benefit of future generations.
She was fully aware that she could import our manufactures
at a less rate than she manufactures, but she was providing
employment for her population. and looking to the interests
of her own country. We had a market in Portugal, and novel
in France, and therefore he would cppose the noble lord's
motion. The manufacturers of this country were notgetting
a profit for the capital they employed, and it would shortly
appear that the whole system was rotten to the core, and they
were obliged to compel the workmen to reduce their wages.
The hon. gentleman went into an elaborate detail of the
impolley of the plan, and concluded by expressing his die.
scut to the measure as likely to prove injurious to the coon.
try. He then proposed fineries of Reaolutiona, descriptive
of the advantages that had arisen from our comment* with
Portugal and France, which went to prove that our trade
with the former had proved a source of profit to this country
while that of Francs bore but a small proportion.
bit. COURTRNA Y said that he had been charged with
want of courtesy by the hon. member for Worcester. He
felt it his duty to say that, if the house thonht he was out
of order in speaking upon the motion, he would apologise.
Mr. ROBINSON explained, and said that the honour.
able member had misunderstood his remarks.

Mr. H. VILLIERS addressed the house at considerable
length, in favour of the proposition at his noble friend, and
contended that the arguments of the right hon. member for
Tomes were fallacious, as the Methuen treaty was se much
in force as ever. He considered that the measure was en act
of justice to France, and would prove highly beneficial to
theconmereial interests et both countries.

After some further observations from Mr. Sadler, the
Chancellor of the &chequer, Mr. Alderman 'Thompson, Mr.
Halite, Mr. P. Thomson, Mr. S. Wortley, Mr. Burp, and
Mr. Robinson, the bill was read a second time, and ordered
to be committed on Monday.
The other orders of the day were then disposal of; and
the house adjourned at two o'clock.

VIZNNA, AUGUST 9. —The news that bas been
received to-day, that 50.000 French troops are to occupy
Belgium, has caused our Bank Shares to fall from 971 to
951. It has been affirmed foe some days past, that the
tary preparations in the Aus.rien monarchy, which were
lately suspended, are to be resumed, and the new levies be
tarried on with increased activity.
VIM*, AUGUST 11.—The cholera has now
rt :et rgas d• d into Transylvania, and rages in the country of
Our sews from Warsaw is to the 4th. A moon
hes just been spread that a case of disease like that of eho-
Ina has occurred in a village on this side of the Hasp:lu
Conlon.

A Dutch steamer is expected late in the atter-
semi but she nut net Wog say Liar batelligniet by
Poland than bus been received by the timbre' stammer el
yeettedey.