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amot.zst whom absolute unanimity is
(Cheers.) If this were not convincing t.
opinion he was at a Ines how to reckon it.
second reading of the bill, tilting tnto ace
who had any proence to say they sect as r
the People. the evidence was st•ll more nee.
It then be doubted that the peup.e were nut
Would it he rate then to reject a measure r
Crown, and which ha. ratted the Host• of
which the people were unanimous ? Bit' nob)
of the danger of concession 31in osiers a r cad
concede there is o knowing Wiete it would
tbeolddoctrine from which much nano hasi
oat the want of eonce,sion which lost the
Phillip I ? sr England to Castles I ?
which produced the tr.,ubl,•r swivel+ arms:
"sign of Charles the Second ? Was it
Isla to us America N—(Cheent.) Was is cones-v.lw wittca
overtutned the old owenrchy of Frsnce ? lie was
H the old monarchy Nat that country had done what
ha (Earl Grey) now counselled their Lordship to d..,
•tls; —to accede to the wishes of the purple, and stand
by them, the monarch and his family might hare 'thes
been securely on the throne of France. %Vas it coned-
-aka, be would again task, which produced the last revo-
lution in that country ? At'as it not rather an stmt pt
le the liberties of the people?—(Hear ) Flom all tit se
be deduced the lesson to concAle in time.—{Hear.) Advert.
kg to the p►es:nt state of Ireland, no one could lament it
more than he did ; but it was not that concession was bad
policy as respected that country, but that it taut been too
lung deferred. (Hear.) He shetuld sty, therefore, consAe
in time. and concede generously. (H:ar ) lie again dis-
claimed the use of all intimidating I tno,uage, but skis a
measure like the present CAM? reconmsended in the spend'
from the Throne, passed by the House of Commons. and
urged by-the people in overeat:lining and irreststiule ma-
jorities, would their Lardships put themselves its typos.,
don to these, and reject the second reading of a measure
WAIWISeef/ etesor needs I to their attenvon. He again
said, let- not No tie Lords flatter themselves that another
and a more ttaude►ate plan would be propes:d, and
which would ssttaly the public. As a Member of a
free state be deprecated every thing like intimidstion ;
but as a Illembet of the British Government he was hound
eseeseldee malts- The noble earl cooduded by energeu.
.1)4 eddreembes the bench of Bishops, up in whom the eyes
of the whole eesstry were at present filed. By t'-e Dies.
sure before their lordships he should stand or fill ; his con.
doubts eves as beer in office must be grounded on a rea-
ssemble peespeet of carrying that measure. And hr wished
k Mbe distioctly understood, that the dangers io be
esaled by the rejection of the bill, sire it•.t to bst obviated
rizmistemare of reform of a more limited iscor; ; any such
swot be propos•d by him; (Hear, hear. he sr.)—
So dwell Weer consent to bold OU: a del icier stereesure of
relief, being well assured that the pcisp!e of F.tigland were
entitled to the one now proposed ; lie trusted tneir Lord-
ships would be wise in time. and study the &drone- meat of
the glory and good of the church. and the safety and welfare
of the country—(tsar)—his atssious h was, then their
lords4lps webeilil ►ee tit_ necacty of giv:iig their sal ction to
the measure ; he ►b.wld, therefor..,
read a accond•timc." Toe liable earl appeared to labour u• -
der consi•lerable exhatistson •ow ads the close of his ~.peeeo,
which rendered it sac.redingly difficult at finite to catch tie
matting of the end ufhis acuteness,. lie was loudly cheered
as he sat down.

The LORD CHANCELLOR put the queetiun that the
bill be now read a seenial time.

(toed WHAKNCLIFFR said, the noble earl had toll
their lordships that by this hill fur (1 vet nment was to stand
or fall—that if they did not take Ibis measure, they must
have something worse. (Coen front the Oppo .it d n side.)
He (Lord Wharneldt) must judge how far this bill could
be adopted with safety to the conatltu ion, and if he thought
it could not, hen an individual member tif that house—acd
the house, if it agreed with him, eat hound to refuse it, aril
not to deliver the country neer to a new constittrion. of
which no man could forvel the danger. The noble col
said, " I have produced a Li I, which, in my opinion, is the
only measure that can rave tile country. Accept it, or take
the coosequenert." I: it w r: nut agreed to, the consequence
was to be the breaki,:g up of the thor.lnntent, and on a f
hare occasion the some inrasure suu.t be adopted.
Earl GREY said, nu less efficient oteas.tre could b.:
adopted.
Lord %PHA RNCLIPFP. returned. --Supposing Post It
Menthe?' at this side o the Rouse could be bra lilt t i say
that such boroughs ought to be done away ail • a.,;,rrly„
that the whole of the hot c of ("ominous >loud t be pops.
,Indyelestall. led that the Noble P.art's Rill sh is d h.• adopt..
to/ di Iblialea, he said that the present C.c.s itu•iou, ise
nig, I sad Conarions, coukl not go on tr,rbe sum
• system, but that we must make up our Inn,nds to a
republic mine as we can. (Cheers from the °pikes-
tion.) He edd that the Noble Karl was beuiid to show, not
only that corruption prevailed in the pressen system of elec.
none, or That the Senn niutle of representation was such
as could not be &fended ; but be sat bound also to s :OW
that what he sultstituted fur that which he proniiu tent
in be bad and frul•fensible, would obviate the ineonvenia
races which he condemned, and would not introduce other
inconveniences, as great Or grra er titan those which had
heretofore existed. Ile would sake. first, the Soosch system
of repneentatino. He adult teal th at I was in sues a state
as the Noble Rail had represented Ir. but not owing to the
cause which be had ass:lined. It was not from cierupdan
that it was in the state which the Noble Earl d.sser bwi. The
Noble Rind was quite mistaken on that point. It was net
that corruption prevailed there, but In Sentient% Tne whole
representation was to the hands o a few, and there was not
such a thing as popular reeresenutt on in that country. That
was the case in the Scotch Constitution. and he admitted
that it was one eatisng fo• Reform. Hut they mast take
Scotland with England and ireisad as 0,4 CO/IstitiVio^. ' •
There might be many fauhs in the system an represeatalon .
ha tiosSiod, but joined with the tones, and nt.rting in one
Parliatioat. it might form a constant:lois a uply capable
of delbmilhe the liberties and pre cling the interes,
of this pi*. Iri h respect to the Poulin/doe has.
roughtt, Ile would just say, as he had observed in
'etta: he bad addressed o then lordships berme, that be did
Mt died the nomitsat on boroughs because they were noun-
nosed le peers, or persons of great stealth. lie was far tem
defending them on that ground ; but he said that their use
was this—that in the House 44 Comsnoas they acted as a
cheek upon those members who were mute popularly elected,
and diminished popular commotion", from which danger was
always to be apprehended. By the regulations of this bill
the Whole strength of the legislature would be in the Hem
of Commas,. The House of Lords would he nooses, sal
it would be well If the Crown itself could stand before at.—
(Cheese (torn the Opposition) The noble bold who icor,.
doted tide measure into the other house had spplii d to the
lodes, or anti:reformers, as they were called, she wi Ids of
Croo;well at the battle of Dunbar —" The Loan hash de-
livered them into our hands." But it should be recollected
that there was another partylesides the tunes Thee Was
Ittioubttilly, a party its the country who wished to establish a
•Itiblican govern:lien ; 'sod they said of the supporters o'
bill '• The Lou hub delivered them into our hands."
knew that, by this measure, their Lordships would
ve themselves of all means of debacle. and give them. •
se ves entirely into 'their power.--(Hear, Max) The Bill
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professed to give the right of voting to lOL householders.
He was of opinion, that in all Unmans to which this miss
sure would tinted, this qualification was too low, and taken
instead of 10!. 'a sear, it amounted in practice to Sa. M. or
35. ad. a week, it appeared to him that the step Wetweer
this provision and universal suffirage WIN very narrow Indeed '
He was opposed to the Bill for three seasons ; firs, that
Whilst it prime jut* gave to the 'great lehdeti propnetot
a Certain degree of inexact, yet that war giv• n in 'dr.
way, that, it the Peer or the landed propnctory sheold
dare to exert it' they would pike thentseives in a situattot. •
wheels would be &Strom 'reelable, if not absolu fly danger.
(km, though eiercising, like others, as undoubted right.
'''his etas a material 'objection, in his mind, to the Rill; it
was in itself an hi:lentos proposition ; and If it werel..ken
connectedly with the plan for the matfett of the voters be
101. Istildirge, it Would, and must, lead to the ballot.—
(Hear, hear.) ft had been assumed by the noble earl that
this Hill was to tie the titian! settlement it 'was no guest
thing—it was utterly halitasible. (Cheers.) This 'neve:
could be the Anal &Menem of the clams nestie. at d tin-
iness!, making by Alai eLos to society for In and I:..
Suence. Already had tlicy been seabed that is ass not su
lookcd at by the more stet:snouts advocates •re the v.ty mu,
sure Welt'. They bad let out (be sent in the beat •.1 :Hs.'
1 cussion cheek*, and inif one mist t see' trout what t;:4:
I 'returned In rho 'odoi hose, that the Ideh had bien ahrte.ti,t t
Riven up that it hos to he ar•y I ;lig like ii tan! selt)inies't
1 But 4* malt atitividlosu port of the wide rips thidt;..l.**
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wirthilietaillalint they We tifialapt thi bi I sits.t
f Vets, tie, Weis Oki Sheik) tonne:apt lb dila ti tit,r it,'({ ..a:.:
leers /teat* 00tiabint. Thh Habit Eikroshi 16. ..#.l
!adopt the eiroind ?Odle& (doriestioted theiitatAitiCAA si
lln eke It bribil Ale. 'Why .sot ? • Ifteni,"iit.s4(lioce • -
1 was there Itetestier of eluting the bill? Had they p .sti to•

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