Star.
London, England, 1807-04-14 00:00:00

The Earl of LIMERICK alto oppored the motion.
He Paid that many of the bin* Catholics were at
prefent difaffeeted, and he would with to give them
a fpeedy and a pofitive denial, as to the indulgences
which they claimed, that they fhould no further have
hopes, that they lhould not hereafter have any ground
for complaining of hopes deferred. There had lately
been Upon a Northern Circuit fome perfons convicted
of riotous conduel, and fhortly after that eight of the
witneffes were Murdered. Afterwards there were
great enormities committed at Sligo, as if they meant
No dare the Government. What ! would you give
up to faction and clamour what you refufe to Loyal
Iteprefentation? (Hear! hear!) There were two cafes
which he could innance, where two of the molt loyal
gentlemen in Ireland were profecuted ; they were
certainly honourably acquitted, but the Judges them.
(elves obferved, that they had never teen f sch a'
fcandalous confpiracy againft any man, as that againtl
them was; their loyalty was fuppofed to be their only
crime. It would be unbecoming the dignity of Par-
liament to grant any indulgence to men that were
in.the temper that the Catholics of Ireland at prefent
were in.
Lord HOLLAND expreffed his furprife at find-
ing the Noble Lord connefting his difapprobation of
the Bill, with a charge of factious motives. He de.
nied the charge, as applied to himfelf and his late
colleagues He polled high encomiums on the con-
duet purfued by the late Lord Lieutenant (the
Duke of Bedford), and afferted, that the late Ad-
miniftration would lilten to no meafures which mi-
litated againft the genuine maxims of the Contli-
tution. They had difcountenanced all violent pro-
ceedings, when individuals in Ireland were found
in a (late of infubordination. The change of Mi-
lliners at this critical period, was injurious to the
interefl" of the country. He denied the charge,
that the dircutlion of the prefent queftion was the
bringing of the Monarch to the Bar of the Houfe,
or to be at iffue with the Crown. The freedom
of the country,' and the fpirit of the Conflitution,
hinged upon the principle, that the King could do no
wrong ; and, from the inftance of Lord Danby, he
infifled, that when the intentions of the Executive
Government were put into writing, and thus into a
tangible fhape, it was fair to demand who were the
fecret advifers ? In the prefent intlance, he had a
right to infer, that thofe who fucceeded to oneufible
and refponlible fitnations of Government, were fo to
be confidered. If this principle were not conceded,
the Conflitution was gone for ever. lie denied the
ditlinelion made by a Noble Vifcount, 'between the
King's agiflative and Executive chat aeler. Were
Minilters, when they came into office, to give any li
pledge of their future advice to the Sovereign.
they would counteract the firit principles of the
Conßitution ; fo Sir William Temple toll Charles,
the Second, that for his Majeßy's Centre hors not to
give counfel, was more than his Majefty could de-
mand, becaufe it involved a contradiction. He de-
nied the dnetrine,that there was no important meafure
but what muff firft originate with Government. The
creature of Parliamentary Reform, by the late Mr.
Pitt, as well as the Abolition of the Slave Trade
by the lite Minitler, store inaances of practice to the
contrary. His Lordlirip, in conclution, obferved,
that above all things, it was the greateft misfortune
to the country to have Minitters who not only made
an unconnitutional pledge, but had alto made a
pledge againft four millions of his Majefty's fubjeets,
fo as to that the door againft their claims for ever.
Ltrd WESTMORLAND fpok:: at great length
againtt the motion. He reminded their Lordthips
that he was called to order, tome time ago, by a
Noble Baron ( Lord Grenville,) for laying that the
King's Mink:cis came down to that Houle to fpeak
the King's fentiments. Now, however, a different
example was exhibited. and had brought his Ma-
jeßy's name into ditcuflion, not in the heat of debate,
but under the pretext of replying to what had been
Rated by the Editors of Newfpapers.
Lord DARNLEY regretted, that the Catholic
quellicn had been brought into difctiflion, as he
thought its frequent difcullion calculated to produce
much mifchief. He difapproved, however, of the
advice which had been given to his Majelly, to de-
mand a pledge from the late Adminiftration. It had
beer, laid, that it was the object of his Noble Friends
to form a vexatious oppontion, but that certainly
could not be their intention. Much as he refpeeted
them, he would not join any Oppofition formed on
Inch a principle.
Lord GRENVILLE laid, when he confidered
the talent, the energy, and ability of his Majefty's
late Minillers, he could not look upon their difmif-
fal, but with the *unroll regret ; the more efpecially
when he controlled them with thofe at prefent in of.
uce ; and particularly when he reflected upon the very
finconflitutional language, which had been held out
by them on that night ;---and, notwithflanding the
extraordinary arguments they made ufe of, and I
the garbled flatement of Las which had appeared
before the public, nothing whatever had been urged
that could !hake the opinion of that public, and the
Country in general, with refpeet to the conduct of
himfell and his worthy colleagues. Much had been
laid about the manner in which this meafure had
been brought before the Sovereign, and it was
fpoken of as a thing unheard of and unconnituti.
onal, to lay before His Majefly the draft of any
Difpatch which was intended for a Glvernor or
Lord Lieutenant of any diftant fettlement ; but
he confidered it the molt uniform and regular way
of proceeding, to lay a minute of the Difpatch
before she Sovereign, fur his confideration ; nor
could he in any degree fee any thing improper or
unconaitutional in this. The Noble Lord then en-
tered into a minute detail of the feveral communi-
cations with his Majelly upon this fuhjed ; and he
declared, that it was perfectly underflood that his
Majefty had.affented to the AR to -the fulleft extent
of the propofed claufes ; his Majesty was thereby to
be enabled to grant to Roman Catholics and all other
Diffenters every military commiffion or appoint-
ment whatfoever. And therefore, lot,king back at
the manner in which the fubjeet was brought before
the King, he did not think the late Minitit y deferred
the reproaches can upon them by a Noble Lord op-
pofite ( Lord Limeriok.) Had a Noble Lord (Cal-
tlereagh) been in that Houle, he would have afked
him, when he was the confidential Minifter of the
Crown in Ireland, why he fhould have recommend-
ed a meafure as indifpenfably neceffary for the wel-
fare of that part of the United Kingdom, of which
he now thought quite otherwife ? His Lordfhip next