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London, England, 1807-04-10 00:00:00

men giving their Sovereign the worn advice, or how
could the people be secure of their liberties, under
the Government of men, who, for the fake of pof•
felling power, could violate their duty to their Save•
reign, break their oaths as Privy Councillors, and
rific their refponfibility as Miniaers ? By such men,
mifehievous meafures might be advifed, which the
wifdom of Parliament could never repair; indeed,
neither Parliament or the country could place any
reliance on men who could pledge themielves to
pith-hold the falutary •advice from their Sovereign,
which they were• bound liry 'their oaths arid their
duties, in all cafes, to give. Even the moil defpotic
Monarch, and the greateli tyrant that ever mount-
ed the throde of this country (Henry VIII.) ufed
to fay, " that. every Privy Councillor, when he
came to advife his Sovereign, fhould confign firms.
lation and difEmulation to the porters in the.
lodge." What laid Lord Coke ? " That truth and
the whole truth thould meet the Royal ear." But
what fecurity was there for a conllitutional admim
llration of public affairs, if fuch a doctrine as that

alluded to this night thotild be fanaioned by the fup-
port of Parliament. to the very Minillers who made
it the very foundation of their power? Mr. 1.4 M e

concluded by fupporting the resolution.
General CRAU FORD Rated his objeetions to the
motion. He began by obferving, that it was quite
impoffible to dikufs the quehlion before the Houk,
without uniting with it its application, namely, the
difmiffion of his Majesty's late Minifters. He then
adverted to the fobjeet of the bill recently before
Parliament concerning the Catholics. He reproba-
ted the meafute as dangerous to the State and Con-
Ititution, by giving to that body of perfnns the right
of holding great offices in the army and navy. He
equally reprobated all overtures to them in any other
way, except in a cafe of the mon indifpenfable need--
city. (ale theft latter worth the Cpplition Benches refoun-
ded wiib the cry of Hear as indicative of that being the
cafe at prefent.) Nothing, continued the lionaurable
Member, but what involved the very falvation of the
empire could produce even the agitation of fuch fob-
jefts. (Here again was the cry of Hear ! vociferated from
the fame quarter.) Therefore he contended, that it was
the duty of the late Minitlet s to have made cut a cafe,
and have (hewn to the Royal mind the proof of fuch
neceffity. Bitt that was far from being the fain. They
had, it wasorue, noted that fume meafiires were ne-
ciliary to allay the ferment of the Catholics,and they
proposed to bring forward one to remove the anomaly
that existed in the Irifh AEI of 1793. This was all
they at fiat prnpnfed, and even this he thought an act
rf fuperorogotion, for as the anomaly bad esified fo
long, the'praCtical effect; of it had aCtually vanished.
It need not be noted by him, it was too wan known
to require his announcing it, that no reluctance ever
remitted from the King to do all the good in his power
for his fubjeCts, his whale reign had been a proof of it,
and in no innance did he evince that principle
stronger than in the matter of the Catholic meafure
lately iat:edoced. In fnpport of this affection, the
Hon. Member averted to the vat lona details of the
natement given by the Noble Lord (Howick) when
he related the ciremollances that occurred about the
Catholic meafure, unto his difmifral from Office.—
The difpatch firft fent to the Lord Lieutenant of
Ireland fhould have been confined to that fubjeCt
only, and it liould have noted only, and exactly,
what his Majefly had conceded, meaning the Conti-
nuation of the A& of 179'3, and its extension to all
parts of the British dominions, and r farther. But
an expreffion found its way into it, of granting Corn-
mitlions of all kinds to that body of men, without
exception. Surely this was an inaccuracy of the
deepen dye. How it could have originated was only
to be explained by its authors. Shortly after this
difpatch was feot otf, a notice was given by a Noble
Vitiount ( li,ovick) of his intention of introducing
into the Mutiny Bill certain clanks, empowering
Catholics and others to hold commitlions in the army
and navy, purfuant to the Itifh AEI of 1793, and the
fame is then noted to the King. In this hate things
were, whilli the difpatches fent over to the Lord
Lieutenant of Ireland gave tife to hopes in the minds
of the Catholics there, that they titettfelves could
scarcely believe pnffible. Yet, notwithtlanding this,
they entertain their doubts; a communication to that
effea is fent hither, and that with the ordinary bull
nefs is tranfmitted to the King in the common way ;
no Cabinet Minifter accompanying it to explain the
Etas to his Majelly,and confequently nothing to excite
his particular attention, although quite a new mea-
lure : for the fir a was underftood to be no more than
removing an anomaly, whilft the fecond was a total
uhange of the law of 1793. It was not, therefore,
unreafonable that the King should have returned the
difpatch without comment or obfervation,- as it was
natural to foppole he would referee himfelf on fuch
a topic, until he Ihnuld fee thole who had foftered the
nicotine. He would appeal to the Houfe, whether the
King could ail cohere ice. Minitters should not have
adopted a meafure of Inch import, or fent fuch a dif-
patch, as they did, to Ireland, without first having
difcull'ed the matter with the King, that his fenti-
ments, at lean, should he firlt known. As loon as his
Majefty arrives in town, they then tell him of mak-
ing the claufes which they iniended for the Mutiny I
Act, the fubjeet of a feparate Bill. No sooner did
the Monarch hear it, than he inftantly expreffed his
moft unqualified and determined difapprobation of it.
He reminded them, that the meafure, when firft fug-
gelled to him, was a mere revival of the MI of 1793,
whillt that now fubmitted went into a general admit
Pion into the far vice, and to the highett command, of
Catholics, and all other diffenters ; a concefficn
which his Majefty clever did or could give. Where-
upon the King required that pledge, which went to
demand, either their conceffion not to intrude any
repetition of fuch a meafure, or resign their Cervices
to him; and, as a further fecurity thereof, and as a
precaution for the • future, to fanClion that pledge
by a written document—thisthey refuted. His Ma-
jelly was, however, Ready, as he evermore was, to
the Royal word; he still agreed to the adoption of