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P4RLM.2;fENTART PROCEEDINGS.

HOUSE" OF LORDS, TUESDAY, MAY 9.
Th • House this day, at three o'clock, went into a Committee
upon the !-it,fford Peerage, and Counsel was heard
at •
the bas in behalf of tile claimant.
POR3 ['GAL.
The Earl of I.WFR POOL moved the Order of the Day for
t king into corsileration his Majesty's Message respectifig a loan
e 660,0001. to the Prince Regent of Portugal, and after observ-
ing upon t-.e sincerity and good faith of the House of Braganza
towards this country, and lice privrions they had subjected them-
selves to, rather than submit to the will of the French Ruler,
metered an humble address to his Majesty for his gracious com-
munication, and imparting to his Majesty the uniform concurrence
of their Lordships to the measure proposed.
The Duke of NORFOLK did not rise to give any opposition
whatsoever to the loan mentioned ; on the contrary, he sincerely
thought that there was no act of his Majesty's reign, with respect
to munificence to fori.ign potentates, marked more with genero-
sity, humanity, or wisdom, than this, and Ministers were un-
doubtedly entitled to credit for it. But whilst he coneetted all
this, he would not have it understood that he recognized that
which was now understood_ to exist, namely, cur speculating any
more in attempts to resist the impe•uotts strides of France over
th • Continent of Europe, and by an ill judged and ill planned Con-
votion, undertake the guarantee of her deliverance. There was
a gallant General gone out, and gallant troopt.were under his
command, be entertained no doubt hut that they all would do
their diary : hut he feared it would he all of no avail. He dreaded
it, but he anticipated it, that in the effort to save the Peninsula
from the grasp of the Conqueror, they would ultimately meet the
fate of those who went before them. • His Grace added, that he
did not even think it policy for this country to contend the right
of Soverek..,nty in ;iny continental struggle. Our chief wisdom,
in hit opinion, at present consisted in making such a peace as
Would save the integrity of our own dominions, and keep the long
arm of France from reaching our oriental possessions. The Ad-
dress, so far as it related to the loan, had his heartiest concur-
rence, for he thought that the fidelity of the House of Braganza,
their sufferings, and our own dignity, all combined to warrant an
exertion of our liberality.

• r
The Earl of BUCKINGHAMSHIRE did rot altogether ties- peared oeugoteo at the proposal, and desirell that the
pond of eve:vital good yet arising from our straggle for the Cor- Ent,lish army might by all means enter the north of
linen!, but he was not altogether satisfied as to the expenditure Spain ,• and nobody but Morla and Bonaparte could be
of the money before the convention or treaty respecting it took
place, and he put some questions relative to this point to the Noble gratified Loy such a plan as this. The campaign COM-
Secretary. menced, and the British army was destitute of the very
The Earl of LIVERPOOL answered them most satisfactorily, thin,,. it stood in need of; it was quite destitute of ca-
and the question was carried mm. rhs.
valry, although that was a force which he would have
Lonm, MPLITIA.
'supposed the Ministers wished to deal most largely in,
On the motion of the Earl of LIVERPOOL, the Order of the
Day was read for the House taking into consideration the Local from the efforts they made on their entrance into
militia Bill, wilco his Lordship shortly stored the merits of the office to increase the cavalry.- But the cavalry which
Bil!, and coicluded with 'moving, that it be now read a second I was at last sent, did not arrive at Corunna till the
o
1 Bth of November, the time when two Spanish armies
Oa this motion a short discussion arose, and the question was
supported upon the public principles of utility and necessity. The i were defeated. They never took the least step to
Peers who spoke in favour of it were the Earl of Lis-moot, prepare the way for Sir D:Baird's landing at Co-
Lord HARIVIY BY, and the Earl of WESTMOR ELAND. Those who ! runna; and see how extraordinary it was that the
cypo.rd it were Ear!s Fit Z wILLIAm and Rossi.rn, the Marquis troops should be sent to Corunna, when Ministers had
of Dour LAs, and Lord /LNIRK. 'fly. grounds of opposition letter were, that it would operate to weaken our internal strength, and from Capt. Kennedy, asserting that the Junta
be destruct've of our best defence, a constitutional army. The did not wish the English to land at Corunna. At
question, h 'wryer, was c.trried without a division, and the bill the time this letter was lying on his table, Mr. Under
was ordtrsd to be committed to-morrow.—Adjourned. Secretary Cooke avrote to Sir D. Baird that he could
I not collect from Capt. Kennedy's letters that there
would be any objection to the landing at Corunna.—
Now, mark the astonishing contrast between the con-
duct of the enemy and of the Bt itish Ministers. Bo-
naparte flew with the iv pidity of an eagle; they crept
like a great tortoise to the Spanish coast. Every part
of the conduct of the Noble Lord (Castlere:igh) was
like the sinuosity of a snail. That Noble Lord, with-
out ascertaining what Officer commanded the Spanish
armies, desired. Sir John Moore to put himself un-
der the command of the Officer, whoever he might
have been, whether fit or unfit, who then should hap-,
pen to be at the head of the Spanish armies. He
never heard of a thing of this kind before. Fortune,.
however, as blind as the Noble Lord, decided that,
Sir John Moore should be saved from that disgrace.
See what an effect this might have led to. Morla
was then at Madrid. He was resolved to sell him-
self to Bonaparte : he might have been the Com-
mander in Chief at the time of Sir John Moore's ar-
rival in Spain ; and if Morla had then ordered Sir 1
John Moore to advance to Madrid, and put himself
in a situation to be destroyed, he trust have obeyed,
or violated his instructions. He would next come to
the conduct of Mr. Frere ; and first, he must notice
the reluctance of Ministers to produce the letters
written by that Gentleman ; they were drawn from
them like drops of blood. When called on for them,
the Ministers said they were private, and of no im.
ilortance. But they were of the utmost importance ;
however, they were the cause of Sir John Moore's
march to Salamanca, and of his army being divided.
How did Ministers act on the misfortunes of Sir John
Moore ? They attempted to throw the blame oil.
their own shoulders upon that gallant and great man.
But fOrtunately the production of Mr. Fare's letters
put the matter in its true p'iint of view. In his un-
fortunate situation Sir John Moore wrote to Mr.
Frere. He saw no Spanish force to co-operate with
him. He had no support, and saw that the whole
of the enemy's force was opposed to him. The an-
swer sent by Mr. Frere was a most pressing desire to
advance to Madrid ; and he wrote this letter at the
very time when the pass of Soinosierra was taken, and
when Bonaparte was within 17 miles of Madrid. At
this very time, so ignorant was Mr. Frere of every
thing passing in Spain, that he expres'sed a hope,
that the British General would be able to prevent the
ierupion of the French into Spain. Sir J. Moore had
a little more sense then to listen to the rhapsodies of
Mr. Frere. Morla also desired him to advance to Ma-
drid, and requested him to come by the pass of Somo-
sierra. On the d2d of December, the very day when
Morla was writing that letter from Madrid, desiring
him to come to him, he was capitol:l6llg with the
enemy, and treacherously giving up that capital. It
was evident, then, that he wanted to entrap Sir John
Moore, and Mr. Frere joined in all those pressing invi-
tations. Nay,he did more than this. He senthim aletter
by a person on whom very heavy suspicions oldisaffec-
tion rested. If this messenger, Mons. Charmilly, was
not a spy, he was at least a dupe. It was said Mini-
sters knew nothing of Chat nUlly then was it to be
supposed that Mr. Frere would have entrusted an im-
portant mission to such a person, unless he came re-
commended by Ministers ? Mr. Frere was not con-
tent with giving Sir John Moore false information,
but he forced on him his bad advice, and in the per-
son of Charmilly appealed to the army against the
General. lie afterwards made use of the most inde-
cent language that ever any Gentleman did to his
equal. Sent too late by his employers to do any good,
Mr. Frere must needs spew his activity in assisting tin-,
willingly in the treason of the man who was in league
the enemy. Far was he from supposing that
Mr. Frere did not think he was acting toy the best.
An Englishman would be incapable of being a traitor:.
however, Bonitparte contrived to get as much front I
Lis incapacity as he could have got from his treachery.
Sir J. Moore, ignorant-as he was of every thing going

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
On the motion of Mr. Alderman SHAW, the Temple-bar Im-
provemtnt Bill was read a third time, and passed.
Mr. STURGES BOURNE obtained leave to bring in a Bill,
to vest in his Majesty's hands certain parts of the lands of Wind-
arm Forest, in the county of Berks.
The Home went into a Committee on the Navigation Act, the
Report of which was ordered to be received to-morrow.
Counsel was heard against the Woollen Manufacture Bill in a
Commi tee.—Order:d for reconsideration on Friday next.
Lord MILT ON brought in a Biil to enable Judges to try
causes in their own counties, which was read a first, and ordered
to be read a second time on Monday se'nnight, and to be printed.
A Message from the Lords announced their Lordships assent
to the Sunderland Earbour BPI, and several other Private Bills.
On the mo,ion of Mr. PARNELL it was agreed, that the
House should on Friday next resolve itself into a Committee on
the Irish Tithes Bill.

Mr. TOsTER moved for accounts of the Grants to the Trus-
tees of tine First Fruits in Ireland, which was agreed to.
Mr. WHITBREAD said, as he understood the Chancellor of
the Exchequer brought forward the Ways and means on Friday,
for various reasons he would defer putting any questions to the
Right Hon. Gentleman with respect to lotteries, as he intended
to do, thougli he could have wished for an opportunity of putting
tir•m before the budget came out.
Mr. ROSE gave notice, that he would move to-morrow that
the House should res.lye itself into a Committee on the Act re-
lating to American ships, and the conditions on which they were
permitted to come to this country.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL of SCOTLAND brought up
the Ittport of the Committee on the Scotch Local Militia Bill,
which was agreed to, and the third reading ordered to-morrow.
Mr. HOWARD wished to know if it wits the intention of the
Right Hen. Gentleman opposite to take c:l.e.te exemptions front
the Income Tax, allowed to (miners?
The CHANCELLOR cf 4ie EXCHEQUER said, it was not I
his intention so to do.

Mr. FOSTER moved for leave to bri:T in a Fill to !rake fur-
ther prJvision for enforcing the Acts relative to Customs, Excise
and axes, in Ireland.

Sir JOHN NEWPORT hoped the Bill woulel not be hurried
through the House, as he was .orry to say too much of the Irish
business frequently was.
Mr. FOSITR had no wish that this, or any other Bill, should
he improperly flurried through the House. That no grounds lir
complaint shotiici.exist in the present instance, he would move
tL•at the Bill should be printed, to give every Gentleman an op-
poriunity of becoming ccuainrcA with the provisions it contained.
Sir JOHN NEWI-ORT explained, and leave was granted.
Mr. FOSTER moved for leave to hrirg in a Bill to amend se-
v;.ral Acs for regulating the collectiag of the Duties on the sale
of Spirits in Ireland.

Atter a short conversation between Mr. BARNARD, Mr Fos-
TKR, and Sir JOHN NEWPORT, leave was granted to bring in the
Lill.

'1 he Committee on the Irish Assize Fees Lill was postponed
till to-morrow.

THE LATE CAMPAIGN IN SPAIN.
Lord TEMPLE rose to make his promised mo-
t'o:1 relative to Spain. He observed, that no Ministers
ev(r possessed thore ample resources, for the most
i pottant purpose that 'ever interested the world ;
Illcrekrz lie f2:t it incumbent on him to call on
I f.,u!:•:: to enquire into the causes of the failure of
t)c c. mi.ai n w:-.ch they had undertaken to carry on.
0„e e;iuld :he bravery and gallant conduct
cf ti.ose who were sent to fight our battles; and no
lt,l one cold attach to thew. The 'louse had raised
the pr udest rno:itiment to the memory of one of our
bat and greatest soldiers; and if they had not done
bo, they v:ould have left that task to he exclusively
performed by the enemy, who raised a monument to
him where he tell. The best testimony of his fame,
however, existed in the hearts and feelings of the sol-
diers whom he commanded, and who fought with him.
To Sir John ?Moore, therefore, or to any of the heroes
who conquered with him, no blame could attach.
Who then were to be toe objects of censure but his
itiaksty's Minister; ? Our allies were not the cause of
the disa,ters we suffered. But he should be able to
prove that our disasters were to he attributed solely
t the conduct of his Majesty's Ministers ; and then
‘vouli ,cave to the House to determine what confi.
e they were entitled to from the country. Amidst
tie gig ow that was spreading Over Europe, and fast
t,) our shorts, sprung up that glorious
rd or,Fht ilanie, of the insurrection in Spain. The
hit r.linistersthen had the grandest opportunity
ku..l
Lied them of im;irovin rt
g the must fortunate con-

on•o where arotnidh;Trt, thre* hinge! Vitiliskes
war) aM ht made such movenjents as enabled Ole I
Spaumirds to preserve their friny towardsthe South.
AU this time, the British Ministers never thought of
Ire!ving the Spanish fleet at Firm], until•it was too
r Such was the energy and activitrthat pervaded
this expedition from September to January ! He did
not wish to hurt the feelings of those who heard him,
by recounting the disasters attending the retreat oflSir
John Moore and his army-. The battle of Corunna.
would for ever be a monument at once of the lustre
of British. soldiers, and the incapacity of British Mi-
nisters. Although we lost our greatest General, his
spirit still reigned in the British Army. If we
were to look for the causes of the failure, where were
wa to look but to the Ministers of the country ? They
proved themselves completely ignorant, not only of
the amount of the Spanish troops which they under-
took to assist, but even of the French ; and, to fill up
the measure of their ignorance, they did not even know
the amount of their own force ; for Lord Castlereagh
wrote from Downing-street to Sir John Moore, insist-
ing that he had a much greater army than was actu-
ally under his command at the time. Here then was
a picture of the conduct of Ministers! How did this
correspond with their mighty promises at the com-
mencement of the Spanish insurrection ? And after
such a picture, was it possible for the House to pass
over their conduct unnoticed ? The Noble Lord then
concluded by moving the following Resolutions :

" That it appears to the House, after considering the eocu-
mem laid before it, that the spirit of resistance manifested in
Spain last summer had not been seconded by Great Britain.

" That the British Ministers, before they gave the prom'sed
assistance, afforded the enemy time to collect his resources, and
advance with numerous erodes into Spain.
" That when the British army arrived there, it was not sup-
plied with those things necessary to enable it to co-operate effec-
tually with our Allies.
" That nothing
,was done by the British Ministers to com-
bine a proper plan of operations, or to gain a knowledge of the
amount of the force of the Spaniards, or of the enemy.
" That the loss of the Spanish fleet at Ferrol, in consequence
of being taken by tLe French, was owing to the neglect of Mi-
nisters, in not sending a naval force in time to get the fleet away.
" That the House is further of opinion, that, in consequence
of the negligence, weakness, and incapacity of Ministers, the
hopes of.the nation were disappointed, its treasures wasted, and
7000 of its bravest troops uselessly sacrificed."

Lord CASTLEREAGH rose. He did ,not ob-
ject to the statement of the Noble Lord in any other
respect, than that his attack had been too general, and
not so pointed on any particular charge as sufficiently
to draw attention to it. The Noble Lord generally
charged the present Government with want of vigour,
want of force, ignorance, &c. which:, had they not
been dull scholars indeed, they might have learned in
full peifection from the Administration of which the
Noble Lord formed a part. He- hoped it would not
be said that the Noble Lord and those who acted with
him had not had every advantage given them in the,
full disclosure of evidence which had been made, and
which he should be sorry to see followed as a general 1
rule. But it appeared to him, that in a case so grave.
so interesting, and of so heavy responsibility, it wouldl
be impossible for Government to stand right with the
country and with the world, if the principle on which
it rested was not explained. He thought the present
the most futile and ineffectual attack that had ever
been made against •any Government in a case so ex-
tended, and depending on so many circumstances.—
' The Noble Lord first accused Government of want
of information, and of tardiness in the assistance ren-
dered to Spain. As to information in every thing
connected with Spain, where could they have got in-
' dividuals so qualified, as to supply them with the in-
formation ? Again, if they had waited for this its
formation, must. they -not be indeed open to the
Charge of .tardiness, which they would in that case
have now had urged against th,:m with far more
force and effect than it had been this night. As to
plans of operations, it would have been preposterous
and impertinent in the Government of this country
to have interfered in presuming to direct them.—
What right could we have to direct the operations of
a campaign in which we were only the auxiliaries ? If
the Noble Lord, however, meant that they . had no
general notion of the place of Spain in which they
were to be employed, he was-mistaken. They had
long before laid it down that the North of Spain was
the advisable place for them to act. In this not the
British Government alone, but every Spanish Mili-
tary Authority- whatever concurred. The Marqu's
Romana at St. Anckm, General Castanos at Madrid,
and Sir H. Dalrymple at Lisbon, all agreed in this—
and the only persons who seemed to dissent from it,
were the politicians of London. He knew there was
an opinion entertained by a Military Officer of cha-
racter-in this country, that the proper situati in for us
to have occupied would have been the Pyrenees, but
as that was not now argued, he should not touch on
it. The Noble Lord seemed to' have chalked out for
himself an intermediate campaign, taking St. Sebas-
tians and Barcelona for his scene of action. He was
afraid, however, the Noble Lord must soon have gone
to the Pyrenees, as he -could not long have held out at
Sebastians. The Noble Lord proceeded to consider
the moral obligation and the policy of assisting Spain,
as in the assistance lent to her it was equally given to
every other power who was warring with Bbnaparte..
The resistance head met with in Spain made it neces-
sary to send an army of 200,(X)) mat into that country,
whereas, had it not been for the assistance received
from this country, Spain might have been over-run by
the troops which Bonaparte originally had there. The
Noble Lord then proceeded to the different omissions
alluded to in the opening speech, all of which he an-
swered. He then enforced the. arguments which have
been already before the public in favour of the diver-
sion effected in Spain by the advance of Sir John
Moore's army. The Noble Lord contended, that
there never had been a more successful diversion ; no
one effort had been made by the French South of
the Tagus from January to March, in consequence
of that diversion. He denied that that movement
had been the result of Mr. Freres importunity, and
thought it but a bad compliment to the high character
of the illustrious General concerned, to suppose that
he would have suffered himself to be influenced con-,
trary to his own military judgment„to undertake
any great military movement ; and he contended that
the letter of the 9th proved that that gallant Officer
would not suffer himself to be so influenced. His
advance upon Valladolid was of his own mere mo-
tion, and lie (Lord C) was convinced that that
distinguished Officer had made that movement up n
solid military grounds and those only. With respect
to the losses of our army in the course of that cam-

paign, they did not materially exceed what bti
cated by his Hon. Relation—between 4 and ..,;rie-1
men, including casualties. This, considering t:::•
ex-ent and severity of the campaign, was not so
ordinary a loss ; for had so large an army remainvd
at home, their casualties within the same time Woo d
have' in all probability,amounted to 3000 men—.
The. Noble Lord-then "ripiateil what he had a.dvanc.
ed upon a former occasion in vindication of the Ge.
vernment, with respect to the supply both of trans,
ports and cavalry. He contended that Govern.
ment lad not only been justified in their expect,.
tions of the result c,f such a contest, but that Spar.
had evinced an energi, zeal, and sincerity worthy of
her cause.
.He considered the British caaracter ad•
vanced by the campaign, and more especially in cor..
sequence of the magnanimous and cbsinterested par,
this country bad acted. Spain, by our conduct, wa,
now convinciel that England had no other obj..,ct than
to rescue her from the usurpation of France, and too,,
it in such a way.as to preserve the integrity
He concluded by caking upon the I louse to e
direct negative to the Resolutions of the Noble Eon'.
Mr. PONSONBY replied to many of 41,,. „„„.
ments of the Noble Lord who preceded arm. 14,
asserted that Ministers, in thinking by their
to act in conformity to the wishes of the peepl.l,.,a
been rash and precipitate. He thought the
Secretary had made a very inconsiderate statemut
with regard to Austria, thereby giving colour to tit
justification attempted by Bonaparte for entering
a war with that power, on account oilier hostile Nu.
parations. lrle also condemned. the Expedition to
Portugal, and accused the Noble Lord of tariinecs in
sending instructions to the seat of war, which remind-
ed him of Pope's lines, •
Speed the soft intercourse, from soul to soul,
And waft a sigh from Indus to the Pole."
For the Noble Lord had never thought of sending
Dispatches from this country till they -were al,e-
lately wanted in anotler. After this, the Right
Honourable Gentleman entered somewhat more in-
to detail, and contended that precautions for the
reception of the army werg not taken at Corunna,
and that much time had been lost in marching ficm
Portugal. The Noble Lord had scarcely mentioned
the name of Mr. Frere, far less defended his conduct,
which task he supposed he had left to another more
able to do it from authority. He thought it evident
that the interference of that Minister hid a great
effect on the operations of Sir John Moore, 'who,
by his instructions from Government, was bound to
treat his wishes, and those of the Supreme Junta,
with the utmost deference and respect. Our loss of
men he did not conceive to be cc m;ensate.{ by any
advantage, or supposed advantage, we had gained in
any respect, and that loss was in a great measure
owing to the negligence of Government, in not taking
care to secure proper information of the stete and
progress of affairs in Spain. He coisidined both the
Spanish and British Governments to be blameable in
their =inner of conducting the c tmpaign, and the
Noble Lord's defence as the weakest ever maec,
which was evinced from his not beihg cheered by his
friends on a single point he had stated (Hear, kar !)
He therefore gave the motion his.hearty assent.

Mr. Secretary CANNING expressed his so' oar
that the Right Hon. Gentleman wile had spoke list,
had not made out a better story than his Noble n I
had done. It was a good stratagem in oratory fur a
speaker to lament that others h id not been appleided
when he Wanted applause for himself. (A laugh.)—
The Right Honourable Secretary defended the policy
adopted with respect to Spain, and contended the: it
was not a proper time to arraign the conduct of Go-
vernment, because Ministers had net called fin- eoe
quiry. The case which Government had to lay be-
fore the House would assume a different appearance
when regular enquiry should take place. It was not
fair to take one campaign and say the House had the
whole conduct of Government before them. lie felt
it a duty to follow the Noble Lord to that part of the
campaign which the Table Lord had described to bc
misconducted, and at the same time attributed that
misconduct to the interference of Ministers. If there
had been any errors in the movements of the troops
previou rto the battle of Corunna, that battle would
obliterate all.. He did not impute any errors, but,
from a fair examination, he would deny that the al-
vance of Sir John Moore had been effected by Mr.
Frere's interference. He thought the advance r;glit
in a military point of_view, and if there was meat due
to that advance, the merit did not rest with Mr. Frere.
With respect to the person employed by Mr. Frere
(Charmilly), he was unknown until Mr. Frere arrived
in Spain. M. Charmilly passed through Sal tmanca
with a letter from the Junta of Madrid to Sir John
Moore. It was the duty of Mr..Frere to forward ths
letter, and many of* the charges tittered ageiast him
were unfounded. He had to express his regret that
.a precipitate retreat had taken place, but the only
way Ministers could be implicated, was fir not send-
ing transports; yet it would appear by the dispatches,
that it was not the fault cf Government that trAIIS'
ports were at Vigo, instead of Corunna. He felt,
under all the calamitous events of the battle of Co-
runna, that it was a contest much to be desired for the
honour of the country. On considering the general
situation of Spain, le was persuad .d teat a deter-
mined desultory war would filially induce the peop!e
of that country to give the command of their armies
to a skilful officer, and that they Would be brought
to a successful battle, when a British force might
again be useful. The Right Honourable Secretary
concluded by asserting that Miniiters were entitled to
the approbation of Parliament for their conduct,• in-
stead of censure.

Mr.TIERNEY said he was convinced that the fair
hopes which the aspect o' the affairs of Spain in-
spired in the beginning, had, in a great degree, been
dashed by the misconduct and neglect of the Brisish
Ministry. They sent an army to Spain, when there
was no longer any chance of co-operating with tbo
Spanish armies, and that army was exposed to all the
miseries and disasters of 4 most precipitate retreat
through the fault of the British Minister in Spain.—
Frere, in his opinion, was deceived by the Junta,
or acted from the impulse of too sanguine expel:L-
yons ; yet a Treaty of a singular nature had ken
concluded with that Junta, among whom it n'As w)1
unlikely there might be traitors to the Spanish cause
a treaty which precluded this country from making'
peace with France without the consent of that
Mr. Tierriet then proceeded to censure the conduct ~t
the campaign in terms nearly similar to those useJ

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-rd Temple ; after which he entered into x minute
of the correspondence between General
s,i c.,e and Mr. Frere, and contended, that from
zv ice given to Sir J. More by that Gentleman,
as to his remaining at Astorga, was the
se if .dl the calamities that attended the retreat
Army. Still every attempt was made to justify
see ere. and to insinuate blame against Sir John
~pre Indeed Ministers have throughout betrayed
y tender concern for the character or the claims
,':.it distinguished Officer. A monody had been
eed in honour of his memory; and recited in
the Theatres—but even that slight tribute of
~„.2 .0 the memory of the gallant officer seemed to.
ereicive for the repetition of the monody was'
•
eieiniled by order. The Gentlemen at Lloyd's
~,• eie intimated some mark of the approbation they
I-7 the services of General Moore, but that inten-
t: r seems had also been frustrated ; and when Mi.
•-s felt it their duty to grant some reward to the
Et ee:: ci Sir John Moore, they would grant it out of
th, Civil List, and not through a vote of that House,
„.:2;,h should testify its grateful sense of the services
ei'7,ich General Moore had rendered to his country.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
did not think it necessary to go at any length into a
question which had been already so much discussed.
F.Jtl:e wished to know from the Right Honourable
Cenilentan who spoke last, whether 'he meant to ar-
ei:ge Ministers for having sent an army into Spain
ee soon, or fcr not having sent it sooner, for from his
speech it was difficult to collect which was the charge?
But whatever course Ministers took, the Right Ho-
nourable Gentleman was resolved to blame them.-
Ir, however, Ministers had not sent an army, the
Gentlemen on the other side would have had inech
better ground for censute. If, instead of the exertion
that was made, no army had been sent, what would
now have been the state of Spain ? Had it not been
fur the diversion made by the British army the French
would have got possession of the South as well,as of
the North of Spain, and the cause would now have
}'en indeed hopeless. He blamed the Gentlemen on
the o:her side for not pointing out any other course
ut proceeding, which either with a view to expedition
or diversion, would have been better than that which
had been actually adopted.
With respect to the fleet at Ferrol, he denied that
Spain had been prevented from admitting a British
garrison into their arsenals owing to any consideration
connected ith Copenhagen. Spain perhaps had felt
some jealousy with respect to the views of Britain,
from the operations of the French, and of those who
echoed French sentiments. But as Spain was unwill-
ing to accede to any proposition of this kind, it was
impossible, under the circumstances, to press the sub-
:. He contended that it was impossible that Ge-
rcral Moore should have acted contrary to his own
eiews of what was proper. It was injurious to the
memory of Sir John Moore to say that he had acted
merely upon the advice of Mr. Front. He further
said, that Mr. Frere had not impertinently obtruded
his advice, for that advice had been solicited. by Sir
jiiin Moore ; but the retreat to Corunna was judici-
eus..y Chosen by Sir John Moore, for it was, in the
ceeumstances in which he stood, the most beneficial
measure for the Spanish cause that could have been
adopted. With regard to Charmilly, if Mr. Frere
had known all that the Gentlemen on the other side
suspected, it would have been improper in him to have
employed him. But there was no evidence that Mr.
Irere knew any thing of all this. He affirmed that
there had always been a disposition in the Government
to do justice t 3 Sir John Moore. About the order
respecting the monody, or the compliment at Lloyd's,
lie knew nothing. He could scarcely believe that the
Lord chamberlain could have sent the Order alluded
to. He concluded by observing that if Sir John Moore
had been alive he himself would, in looking at Spain,
have been convinced that the salvation of that coun.
try had been. the consequence of the step which he
had taken in retreating through Gallicia.
Mr. BATHURST spoke in favour of the motion.
He did not see what Ministers could have expected,
to induce them to hazard such an army in such an
expedition. They took credit to themselves for the
diversion effected in favour of the Spanish cause. But
'e..king at the subject in another view it was no merit
of their's that the army had escaped at all. He was
of opinion that it would have been better to have re-
treated to Portugal ; and he thought it impossible for
any candid man to read the papers, and not to be
convinced that Sir John Moore had been induced to
adopt the measures which led to the disastrous retreat,
c.y the interference of Mr. Frere, whom he understood
as specking the sentiments of Ministers.
Lord HENRY PETTY adverted to the extraor-
dinary sort of defence made by the Noble Lord, when
he said that the most extraordinary exertions had
teen made by the French. The Noble Lord might
h,vt: calculated uptm that, for many of his failures
h..d. %eel ()wileg to the same cause. In remarking
e;.1: th.e eonciact of Ministers to Sir J. Moore, he
reeitioned an obsei vatiun of Cardinal du Retz, who
rei l that men might be placed in situations in which
17n hew they would, they must commit a fault ; but
'hat fertune never placed them in such situations,
wi re only the effects of their own errors. In
ei-ei a situation had Sir J. Moore been placed by the
•••1••!...,!rl.

Mr. WHITERF. AD rose amidst loud cries of
Taestioe, and is a short but animated speech con-
That Mr. Frere had displayed such a
,fait of ttatiptr a:Icl capacity as to render him unfit
!,r any diplomat!: situation whatever—next, that the
`l.r.isters had not acted fairly by Sir J. Moore ; and,
• next place, that Mr. Charmilly was a person un.
fit -ht of any ,:ontidence from every thing that he had
of him. He stated that Mr. Charmilly had pro-
revol:.itionary pr;nciples in St. Domingo that
ticeis.e.l a revolt in the ship in which he returned
• and alio at Brest when lie at rived—that he had
to llng:ar.d w:Ca a plan for giving us possession
Lurnizgo, in consequence of which so much
L!cod and treasure had been expended—that
17:. ea cual-merchant under one name, and a
Q::kler another, &c. &c. With respect to Sir
he had reason to say what an Officer of
WI had said, when called on in a moment
:n spite of the intrigues of his Courtiers—
;;e, ht your Majesty's enemies, but I leave
,r..`,l...:ecty in the midst of mine."
Question was then luudly called for, and the
crivided—For Lord Temple's motion 111—
s.. it .230—Majority against the motion 119.
o'clock the House adjourned.

THE EVENING STAR.

LONDON.

WEDNESDAY, MAY 10.

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The Fair American, arrived at Dover from Dun-
' kirk, brought over copies of the First and Second
Bulletins of the French Army in Germany—[See
the first page of this Paper.] They are more pre-
cise, but, we are concerned to state, not less disastrous
than the statements received through the medium of
the Dutch Journals. Hostilities commenced on the
19th ult. at Tann, and on that and the four following
days no fewer than six actions were fought, in all
which the French were the victors. From the 19th
to 'the 27th ult. the date of the second Bulletin, the
Austrians are represented as _having lost 50,000 pri-
soners, 100 pieces of cannon, with an immense quan-
tity of colours and baggage. They have retreated
about 150 miles, and, what is worst of all, if we are
to give implicit credit to the French accounts, great
part of their army seems to he cut off in its retreat !
As we have not had an opportunity of perusing the
Bulletins at length, it is impossible for us to trace the
progress of these operations, which far surpasses in
ruinous decision the battles either of Marengo or
Austerlitz, and we are afraid we may add that of
Jena, difficult as this is to conceive. At Ratisbon the
Archduke CHARLES is admitted to have obtained some
success oa the 21st, and to have forced 1000 French,
who were entrusted with the care of the bridge, to
surrender ; but this gleam of prosperity was of
short duration; his army, consisting of 110,000 men,
having been completely defeated on the following
day ; in consequence of which he has been obliged
to retire to the mountains of Bohemia. The
Duke of AUERSTADT (DavotTer) has gone in sir-
suit cf him, and we are afraid that the army of the
Prince of Porn Coavo (Beerianorre), which broke
up from Dresden on the 14th, would be in time to
interpose between him and the Austrian states. In
the mean time, the main body of the French army is
rapidly advancing towards the capital—the Duke of
BELLUNO (VICTOR) having passed the Salza, and oc.
cupied Scharding, a village about eight or ten miles
fiom Brannau, and situated on the road between
Passau and Linz. Scharding is about half way be-
tween Augsburg (where hostilities began) and Vi.
cnna, and such has been the progress of die enemy in
the first week of the campaign ! This, however, is
the most advanced corps of the French army. Their
head-quarters on the 27th were at Muhldorff upon the
Inn, but the Duke of MONTLBELLO (Latsses) had
then passed that river, and was proceeding to the Salza.
—The Marshals echo had a share in the several ac-
tions were—MASSENA (Duke of Rivota), DAYOUST
( Duke of AUERSTADT), LEFEVRE (Duke of Datizt:;),
LANES (Duke of Moseruseeeo), and BEsSIERES
(Duke of ma). Marshal KELLERMAN (Duke of
VALMY), we presume, commands the Reserve ;
and Marshal BERNADOTTE ( Prince of PONTE COR-
Y()) had not then reached the scene of action.
—The Austrian army, previous to the battles, was
estimated at 220,000 men, 110,(X)0 of whom were
commanded by the Archduke CHARLES, and 60,000
by the Archduke Louts. Generals HOHENzOLLERN,
LICHTENSTEIN, RCSENBERG, and BELLEGARDE, had
the command of carps, and that of General BELLE-
GARDE is said to have been the only one not in action.
It was stated some time ago, in one of the foreign
Journals, that tats. General had advanced into Fran-
conia, so that there is a probability of his being able
to effect a junction with the army of the Archduke
Cuattees. The amount of the French force is not
mentioned. NAPOLEO4 is represented as having
gained the battle of the 20th against the Archduke
Louts at the head of the Bavarian and Wirtemberg
troops.

One of the passengers by the Fair American re.
ports that there have been three actions between the
French and Austrians in Italy, and that in these bat-
tles the French were beaten. We would rejoice to
find this intelligence confirmed, but we must confess,
after the details that have been received of the issue
of the conflict in Germany, we have no hope that the
Austrians, under their present guidance, will main-
tain their ground in any quarter against the foe with
whom they have to contend.

A Mail from Gottenburgh arrived this morning,
bringing German papers of the 29th April. They
contain an additional Proclamation from the Arch-
Duke CHARLES. of considerable length, with a view
to rouse the people in the North of Germany, where
it had been privately circulated. The late disasters
of the Austrians render this document of little im-
portance. The Swedish papers contain no intelli-
gence of moment. The following articles are copied
Cron: a German paper :
BANKS OF THE ELBE, APRIL Q.

Yesterday, at noon, the Princess of Pcnto Corvo,
and her son, with suite, left Hamburgh for Hanover;
she WAS followed on the same day by the Dutch horse
and artillery, which were at Hamburgh and its envi-
runs. At four o'clock this morning the remainder of

the 9th Dutch regiment of infantry also left that city,
so that Ilamburgh has now no other hostile troops
than a few French Gens d'armes, and the _custom-
hbuse soldiers.

According to all accounts serious traces of an in-
surrection continue in Hesse Cassel, though the Court
Gazette of that place asserts the contrary•.

CASSEL, APRIL 23.
This moment the cannon of our city proclaim the
important victory which has been gained over the
Austrians between the 18th and 19th instant, near
Ingoldstadt. A Courier has brought this intelligence.
At his departure the cannon was still thundering on
the field of battle. Seven thousand Austrians are
prisoners, a great number has been lined, and their
army lost ground to the distance of ten leagues.—
Perfect tranquillity prevails herr,

AREUTH, APRIL 24.
The Austrians who entered Nurenberg on the '2oth
instant, were soon obliged to retreat again.
In Ratisbon between twenty and thirty houses are
said to have become a prey to the flames.

AUGSBURG, APRIL 21.

Yesterday the Austrians were still in Munich.—
Yesterday etc first Austrian prisoners, who were se-
verely wounded near Pfaffenhammen and Vallose, ar-
rived here.—The advanced guard of the Portuguese
corps of 600 men, arrived here yesterday from Ulm.
Of the Bavarian regiment of infantry, Baerenklan,
1000 strong, who were at Inspruck and Halle, '2,30
men arrived yesterday at Augsburg.

SECOND EDITION.

STAR-OFFICE, Two o'Clock.

DUTCH PAPERS.

We have received Rotterdam Papers to the 7th
instant. According to these journals no fighting had
taken place in the South of Bavaria-211 the actions
having been fought between the Danube and the
Isser, but all, we are sorry to say, have been favour-
able to the French. Our limits and time only •allow
us to give the following extracts

STRASEURCH, APRIL 27.

Within these few days, a great number of couriers
have arrived from the Army, with dispatches for
her Majesty .the Empress. Our advantages increase
every day. The Army of the Archduke Charles is
annihilated ; all his Artillery, Ammunition, Baggage,
and several thousand Waggons, have been taken.
The number of Prisoners is incredible.
From the 19th, the French and Allied Armies
were uniformly successful. Our cavalry, commanded
by the. Duke of ISTRIA, pursues the feeble remains of
the Austrians towards the Inn. The line division of
cuirassiers, under General Count D'ESPAGICE, has
performed wonders.

Yesterday at noon, an extraordinary Courier ar-
rived with dispatches, containing intelligence of a
new victory. The army of the Archduke JouN,
which had invaded Tyrol, has been cut off, and
compelled to surrender. We wait with anxiety for
the Offici4l details of this event.

The French Secretary of State has past through
here on his way to join the Emperor Napoleon.
A regiment belonging to the Prince of Neufchatel's
division yesterday crossed the Rhine for Bavaria, fol-
lowed by a division of the Imperial Guards. A de.
tachment of PoliTh light cavalry arrived here yester-
day, and we expect an infantry regiment tomorrow.
The Polish and other squadrons of cavalry which are
here, will remain until the end of the week.

At this instant the park of artillery belonging to
the French Imperial Guards is passing through the
territory of Baden for the army. On the 20th of
April two distributors of the Archduke Charles's
Proclamation, were shot at Huningen, for attempting
to excite commotion among the inhabitants.

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