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w 1.41) Jay tles..',er of fiat 1-7oufe mutt feel for the
the Empire at large. From the bea
cont'.:er Jinn he could give the foLjed, it appeared
to him that the Abolition of the Trade would be
impra:tieables and th.tt the attempt would be re-
fioaded ; he therefore begged leave to enter his ma
foe;' 7a3teß against the paffing of this Bill, and he
ft ol'a ...mote site tecond reading.
Mi. I itENCH confidered the abolition propoted
as in;urious to the moil important iatereits of the cm-
F--e. It was. however, fonewhat renunitables that
lone lion. Gentlemen, who bad formerly been sup.
rcers of the meatures were now its powerful oppo-
tuats ; and an Hon. Gentleman who now warmly
in,.ports it had alto appeared to have fomewhat
ehingesl his fentiments.
gr. BARHAId, in explanation, (aid that he had
never changed his opinion on the robin& It was now
plecifely the fame u it had been for a con6derable

tone.
Sir WILLIAM PULTENEY fad he bad never
b.forc delivered the reafons upon which his opinion
o . the fulled was (min.:cc!, nor fhonld he have done
f• now, if tit had not been for Come rather extraordi-
n try arguments that he had heard from an Homo,.
able M. tuber. As to the danger which might arife
from tloe difculfion of the opinion, or the adoption of
the meafure, that indeed was evident : But as to the
advantages that an Honourable Gentleman !poke of,
he believed they only tallied in theory. The real fad
was agreed upon by all parties to be this : The Weft
Indies cannot be cultivated by Europeans, whore con-
flitutimis will not bear fatigue in that climate. It is
therefore necelfary, if they are to be cultivated at all,
that it muff be by Come other dais of the human (pe-
cks, who being natives of warm climates, are able to
endure that degree of labour and fatigue which no Eu-
ropeans could do in that climate. This being the ac-
knowledged fad, the queftion is, (ball we abandon the
cultivation ofthe Weft India rflandsaltogether,or what
clefs of the human fpecies (hall we employ to cultivate
them ? Some fay that it is much better to employ free
Negroes than Slaves, and that the labour of freemen
would be more produEhve. This is, however, only
a fuppofition, a mere theory. The fad is known to
be, that the natives of warm countries are not na-
turally difpofed to labour. In warm countries the
climate produces the means of fubfillente with fo
little labour, that they have no neceffity, and con-
fequently no inclination, fur laborious woik ; and
for that fpecies of labour which was necelfary for
railing fugar and other colonial produce, it was ab-
foluiely necetary to rife filmething of compulfion.
It might appear to Tome to be a great hardlhip to
compel • men to labour, but it was the common
condition of the lower orders of fociety. It was
by cotgulflon that we made our Sailors go on board
our (hips, and this fort of compulGon was often very
proper and neteffary. As to the general manage-
ment of the Ilawesin the Well Indies, he could alert
from his own knowledge and means of information,
that they were univerfally much better treated now
than they were formerly, and that there had bead as
a difpofition as poflible evinces to increafe
in the natural way. As to the Creoles, al-
though they were fuperior for generation, they were
inferior to the Africans in ability to labour, and it was
found that they gradually grew weaker; It Might,
therefore, well be laid, that experience had taught us
that we cannot go on without•the continued it iporta-
doe of thole African. Slaves ; and the only qualms
would be, whether or nut we were, in abandoning the
trade, abandoning the cultivation of the Well India
Viands altogether. He had often remembered to have
heard many (plendid theories advanced in that Houle,
and fupported with eloquence, tvhich went off alto-
gether, or were not found to anfwer. noctuenue was
mot always a proof of the jullice of the eaufe which
it fo powerfully fupported. The great Duke of Marl-
borough was certainly a very fuperior man, and
man of moll excellent judgment, but he was never
famous for his eloquence ; he, however, had difcti-
suination, and weighed matters well ; he knew what
sneafures Ibould be adopted, and what Ibould be
avoided. This was more than many eloquent men
knew. To (peak eloquently, and to judge rightly,
'eve very different things. If it vitae merely to talk
of humanity and jultice, and (hots popular topics,
the talk would be ear), ; but in the prefent inflance
the confiderations were more important; as involv-
ing the great interefls of the country, and that hu-
manity and Office which was due even to numbers
of our own people to whom the Well India trade gave
employment. As to all the arguments that had been
surged on account of the prelent flotation of affairs
in the Weft Indies, he thought them of no import-
ance. Although we are now at war, our enemies
cannot take up the trade, yet we cannot (uppofe
that we are to he always at war, ar.d if the trade
was now abAilbed, as (non as peace fhould be re-
dored. the French might again take up that trade
which we would Co imprudently have thrown away.
Thole arguments, that were only built on temporary
circumaances were not entitled to much weight. The
Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Barham), had fpoken of the
danger that would arife of convulfions and infurreo:
rim* from the continue! importation of labourers
from Africa. It appeared to him that the danger lay
an the other fide. If you were to flop all future im
portation, (nth a meshy, muff give a very Ilrong
turn to the minds of the Negroes now uponthe Wands:
they might well fay, if you think that the Manion
of naves is dreadful, that you will not allow any
sore of our countrymen to be made Live., why are
we to continue Saves Rill f lithe Abolition of the
Trade mils entirely on the redoes of humanity and
jullice, the fame principles would lead as far as
entire emancipation. If then, by abolitbing the trade
you could convince the Negroes in our Moods, that
%heir Rate was much mote fhocking than ever they
had before con6dered it, the only confequence would
be; that they would be more ripe for infurredion,
• which would bring an additional danger upon the
Colonies. Frbm thcfe confederations, be could not
avoid °pooling the (econd reading of the Bill.
Mr. SULLIVAN hated that no hub contrail for
sOOO Blacks, as had been alluded to in the courfe of
the debate, had been entered into by the late Admi-
nißratton. •
Mr. FOX (aid that he Ihould not have arifen up.
an this occafton, if it odd not been for the kind of ar-
gument employed by the Hon. Baronet, who !poke
lad but onc. That Hon. Barone: in his declamation
aoinfl the,,ry, had advarced fomething that had a
truly paradoxical appearance indeed ; for it went to
this, that if a ;berry c ably and eloquently &len.