Star.
London, England, 1815-05-09 00:00:00

His wibh, stow, wee to ledore leimee, is
rirol".ose, the right of the Oseunittse to send fee.
examine peruses,* the coarse of their proceed-
And, if thole who formerly voted 'agsiest his
Wm on this subject. were convinced, that it was
"hie for the Committee. without smaller testi-

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mony. to carry into effint the two points be had sug-
gested. he trusted they would alter their opinion, and
give him their support. To confine the discussion,
he would apply himself to the Werth class of expen-
diture—end even that he would narrow to she depart-
ment of Load Chamberlain. lo confining him.
self to that department, he was actuated by no in-
vidious feeling towards the Noble L-id ( Yarmouth)
who was connected with it. Since, it he succeeded
in procuring the sanction of the House to the exa-
mination of witnesses, in that department. he would
apply for the same privilege with respect to every
other. That this department peculiarly called for
investigation. that magnitude of the sums expended
in it, decidedly proved. In the paper laid on the
table of the House. the expenses of the department
of the L,lrd
Stew,
she Master of Horse, and
the Lord Ste for a given period, were stated in
the gross. Nothiogwas mentioned, but the sum total.
Now. he conceivilde that the House ought to be fa-
voured with 9011111 of the details. Here he begged
the Lord

period. t.
one of the most splendid fi
country. Thus, it appeared, that di60,000 were
expended in the time he had mentioned, independent
of £lOO,OOO which Parliament had given to his
Royal Highness lor his outfit. Now, if the latter
sum were not given for the purchase of plate and
furniture, he &Nadi be glad to know for what pur-
pose it was intended ? Mr. Perceval had diqinctly
stated in that House, th.it this sum w.ts given for the
purchase of furniture, plate, and other necessaries.
The upholsterer's bill was— •
In the first year . .
In the•second - -
And in the three quarters -
There was a charge (o or.molu of •
The bill for china and glass was—
In the first raft - . •
In the seem "1. . - -
In the three 1 liners - -
The b::rs of the silk Mercers, &c. were.--
In the fi: t: year - - • ' . 31,000
In the • .1 and - - - - 41,000
-
In ti:,.. three quarters . - 64mtio
Tiie siversmiths' bill, which, he believed included
articles of jewellery, was—
In the first year - - -
In the second -
In the three quarten

• 0,000
-
- 46091
11,590

11,725
5 752
•
1412.$

a 1,0 t()
37,a0
41,Useri

Forming a twat of • ioot)
Thr sums w• re of a magnitude, which, he was
convinced, the House would oeel it necessary to be
he' eughly investigated.--(Hear, heir )—The Right
H•,n. Gentleman theu proceeded to argue, that ac.
c'ltints of so extensive a nature could never he pro-
pe.rly ex mined, unless the Committee were allowed
to resort to viva vice evidence--and he could see no
force in the argument adduced by those who opposed
the proposition, that such a proceedint; would hint
the feelings of the Royal Family. How it could di:-
tress the feelings of the Roy* Fanti:y to see a faith-
ful Parliament. performing one of it,: most important
duties, he was yet to learn. Bin it was said, that
such a course had never before been pursued. The
reason of this Was, that, when the Civil List W:45
plunged in debt, the Minister alw:tys endeavoured to
relieve it as soon as he could, and said as little about
the matter as possible. The only retorn the country
had received, for exercising that delicacy of feeling
towards the Royal Family, which Ministers recom-
mended, was an accumulation of debt, perfectly un-
paralleled in any Court in Luray. Of the sum of
£llO,OOO expended for plate and jewels, a part did
not perhaps exactly apply to the Prince Regent.
The Knights of several Orders—Ambassadors and
Governoiv—plate for great officers of state—and die
investment of foreign Sovereigns—might have con-
sumed a part of that sum, amounting to 450,315.—
Deducting this sum, there stil remained A 62,000
for plate and jewels (applicable only to the Prince
Regent,) which had been expended in two years and
three quarters. This was very near t 23,000 per
annum. And, he would ask, was it necesc.trv, in
the present state of the country, and in the present
situation of the Royal Family, to lay out so much
money for luxuries of this kind ? Then, to whom
did this plate belong? If it were to be paid for out
of the Civil List, it became public property.—(llear,
hear.)—And, if so, what itad become of his Mdjes-
ty's plate ?—Why was it not made use of by the Re-
gent ?—(Hear, hear.) What was the Privy Purse for ?
It amounted to £76,000 a year. Was that intended
to be kept entirely apart front any purposes of nilen-
dour, with reference to the purchase of plate, jewels,
? Was it to be disposed of in secret ? A charge
of £3.5,000, independent of the sums he had already
mentioned, was made for furniture for the Royal
Viii ors. He should like to know what had become
at that furniture ? Certainly the Royal Visitors had
not taken it away with them?—(d laugh.)—Tile
Right Hon. Gentleman then proceeded to argue,
that a sufficient check and controui w is not exercised
by the Lord Chamberlain, over tile et peitc/s incurred
ra his department. The Cimmittee of Ist 2, wt re
desirous of knowing what system was acted on by
he Lord Chamberlain in supplying toroiture to the
Royal Family. In answer to an application on this
subject, Mr. Mash, the Lord Chamberlain's Se-
cretary, stated, in a letter, that the Lord Chamber.
iain, before he ordered any furniture, must hut he
satisfied that it was necessary—that he must then
nave an estimate of the expence—and, when the
goods cause in, an inspector examined them, to see
that they were equal to the amount of the estimate.
rhey were, however, afterwards informed, that this
letter. was not official—but that the course mentioned
it'was always pUrsued, except with respect to tome
Palaces which were occupied by the Royal Family.
this tirade all the difference—tor it was with
rellitieneelo the palaces thus occupied, that the in-
mutt** should be most scrtfpuletisly adhered to.

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He eoeseeiall, that fermium-am is, without the ee.
prom direction and concurrence of the Lord Ch.'s',
berlain, coestiteted a private debt of the Prince Re,
ge*t or his Majesty—and ought ant to be charseabi.
en the Civil List. Orders of that kind were chrectir
in the teeth of Mr. Burke's Bill, and the Lord C 1,,.
bedsits ought•to be held responsible for them. If t.)
Committee were allowed to call witnesses beEre
them, he would prove that furniture had frequent:
ken ordered, that was quite unnecessary. He c;,
siervell, that the Lord Chamberlain's office should
'not be a sinecure, to be held merely for the pleasure
of the Sovereign. He should be responsible for all
acts connected with it. He alluded to the service,
'of plate granted to the Ambassadors and Pleoipc
tentiaries, each amounting to nearly town _ dim
be said should be enquired into ; and how could tlia;
be done, but by examining persons connected sass,
the Chaosberlain's Office ? He was anxious trot to
make the question one of party ; and hoped, that vi,
he had practically made out a stronger case n,,it
than he had done theoretically before, the same Goe
donee who formerly supported him, would act shit,
laxly at present. He disclaimed all desire of inete
cently prying into the minute pats of the Mora!
Household—his object was to support the dignity of
the Crowns and else of the Country, which ass in.
compatible with that splendour usually adopted ia
--, nations. He concluded with moving_...
the Committee appointed to inquire it.to the iltren.
Civil List, be empowered to send for Mr. Mao,
lberlsio'soMee, for tin purpoo. Of czatuito• & tua;
d.psennent."
iTI. 1:: RE: ACM thong!". Cie moti.sn was
nature of an appeal ag.linst the judp.
House on a fo:mer night. The Itii,!.t
.fieman had established no case to s!iew the
of this inquiry. He had not gore it" the
t,e to give the House the information w!iel,
_zpected, hot to endeavour to cause it to refundits decision. On fAlnwing du/ Honourable Member
through the curse of his examination, he should coo.
sider first his statement of the amount of expenditure
which he called admitted ointseit 'j he estimate 0,
1804, with the addition of /il2OO/00 was a fair es.i.
mate. The amount rcce,anisvd by Parliament in
1813 was £121.000 for the Lord Chamberlain's De.
partment ; £105,0(X) for the Master of the 1-I.irse ;
and 430.000 for the Lord Steward ; in all, I.q. the
three departments, 4256,000. In 1814 the expendi-
, lure rose to 4t70,000, and with the last three yin.
tens to /2428,000. Out of this about 199,000 of er.
traurdluary expenses were to be accounted for. He
Agreed with the Right Hon. Gentlem4n, that the sub.
jeer could not be too well ineterstood for the bonner
of the Crown. After deducting extraordinary er.
pertses connected with other dep ti talents, there wr.uld
only remain an excess of betweJ“ 50 and rito,ooo.
This the Right Hon. Gentleman aggravated with the
sum of 4 tUO.OaO grained by Parliament to the
Prince Regent for his outfit when lie took the eat.
cise of th • soveieign authority upon !omselt ;—and
which, h id it been applied As it was intended, and not
As it had bera done, tor the benefit of the pali::c,
would have produced a s icing instead of leaving an
excess of expendi:ure. I lis Royal Highness .furflg
the whole period of his restricted Regelicy fi lifer as.
ceived any thing horn the puhlic for his csi eases,
which were necessarily increased. He, however,
afterwards wished not to remain placed in t'a: (mule
situation of individual, sad dovereign of [Le tour.:
He wits now Able to o:oto. ties,. ;inv.:ad (A. !,•.:afliii 44.•
Ipropliated so the purpenefor stilaiel at was vote:tithe
sum of 4100,000 bad been employed in the liquida•
tiou of the Prince's debts. The estaulislasent of the
Regency cAllii nut be made in a day ; the greate4
part of its expenditure was for plate, which had nut
been defrayed our of the 4100,000, but out of tee
issues of the Lord Chamberlain. The expenditure tr.
the three departments for two years and three guar.
gets had not exceeded the regular sum granted uy
Parliament above 490,000, which it set against the
4100,000 would leave A saving of 410,1;04. To give
an impression to the House, that this expense for
plate would be permanent, was not arguing the que:;•
tion fairly. It had been stated, that the furniture of
Carlton ifou-se came to 4160,000, to which were ad.
ded the £lOO,OOO which, on the contrary, ought to
be deducted. The furniture article, however, ais
only 439,000. out of which was to be token £17.000
for the cottage at Windsor, which was the only real-
donee which his Royal Highness could occupy shi:
be went Cu visit his family, as his apartments in the
Castle had been appropriated to another purpose—
Had he established himself at Kensington Palace or
Hampton Court, the expense to the public would
have bueu far greater. There was no reason tc pre-
sume that in futute years the eapenditure would go
beyt nd what Parliament had provided tor. if Abe
Civil List amounted to £1,100,000, a great part of
that money was for public expenditure. In France,
one million sterling bad last year been granted to the
King, merely to support the splendour of his Crown.
The Right Hong Gentleman had argued as it there
was no arrangement to effectuate the ohjsct which he
had in view. The tradesmen of the Royal fatally
were under an injunction not to furnish any
/aid:
without an order from the proper officer, which semi;
them as a voucher to be paid. A corrective had tl:::
been applied, and it the lion. Member had dela!, .
his motion one day. the document probing the co.
tenet of this arrangement would have :wen on the
table of the House. lie then vindicated the correct'
ness of the staieinuits of Messrs Mash ant. vcit•--
I C I
He thought he had made out a case to satisfy 11. e
House, which would not feel disposed so resciilJ t'e
vote which it had given en a former occasion,of_';
cially when not only information should be prOk.,UCC4_
0.1 the subject, but the wished for remedy had iiA
applied.
Lord YARMOUTH said, that before his
.10P::
Highness was tnade Regent, his' quantity of i'l4.x
..
was extremely small ; and he was persuaded Ott:
.House would not hive wished to see nil Royal lit
till.
ness reduced to the necessity of hiring plate fir
the silversmiths of London. The King had lent .
plate to different branches of the Royal kamily, a:.
it was necessary that his Royal Highness, win ii " t,l"
;
came Regent, should make an addition to !us st)C.
Mr. WYNNE was unable to express les astite.:::
mei:t at that part of the Noble Lord's speech %it r. ,
i,r,
he claimed a merit for the misapplication of a fn
of money voted by Parliament for at particular rir.
..et.
pose. The Act of ParliaMent granted it to his K A
oi.
Highness for defraying his expenses on becoming g,
gent: and he desired to know who it was oi.o adviw ,i,
e.... 4
his Royal Highness to apply it to any other Iwir

the House to attend to the expenditure, in the Lrd compatible wit
nations
Chamberlain's t, for two years and three
foreign
quarter 4that he threw out altogether,
at the tloencir
s
: ttwee of the Civil
con with the Board of Works and every thing Itis Ctiambe
with Pehlic 11s• ihkcill .4Prith thud,
ranch of e - pt., ' Ka CAST
House alone, trades- rather in the n 1
men': bills, for twit" eiks and di tie ltillietere. 1812, *id of the f
1813. and 1814. w 4 41.169,1111 M. 3149poltditure• Hon. Gentlern
the House would recollect, book pliat alter the year necessity of thi
1811—at which period. the Prince t had- given Committee to i
one of the most splendid ides eirteletliown in this it expected, hit