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_ . , . bad fet out with declaring that it. sWas not.his injep
i :MUSE Olt. *WAY, JAN. 2. , tion to go into minute points. 'hot that he fb:tald .be
.5. • - - . ready to afford fuch explanatirajte. as 'nigh be
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The Part of BilliliALSAlll was introtimed by the Earls of quired. ,It would be, however, oeceff
of ary for from
1610/1A and 1 A. 1311 ,and took the °stilt and his feat ass
)Macao of the United Kiagdatb, by atm title of Barou )keadalhaoca fay a few words refpetting the protteis the .00:go.
The, ful:00 naturally divided itfelf snto
tit Teleomouth Cattle. ciation. i
The Bagel Daaai imildheates. two branchei. The fir{ related to the interefts Of.
The Cosmiesdaod BilksithfAmodsiacat litilm?4.tholtogh the . this couotry; the fecond, to the interefts of our allies
Committee. 77 . 7 -7'- 7 : -- ' 7
Aiinsiirses. OF TR a aLaoi Tamps, arid the interefts of the Continent. With:. regard lA.
Lord GRENVILLE noted, that in per
of 1 this' country, it grad not be denied that however
the order of their Loedfloips, be had prepared a Bill peace wal extrOmel*
honourable the prOgrefspf the war tnighti.lser to:ir,
deGrabk:.- 10 ,the tinfortimate
for the Abolition of the Slave Trade, which he would (late of the World, however, ihias.almoft imprifible
Note he read the hat time. The &O. baring been that the great differences betwieet:Shis, enhhtll and
Teed by.the Lord Charrseflor,
• Lord GRENVILIXfajd, thatit.wirrhlPS.alt
e , ~, ~ 1 Frauce coold be adjo ft ed in
.any.welfrOmPatible with
!our honour or fafety; Notwithttanding Inc little pro-
tend's"' .to bring the fatiell Toroyerd unmediatery..
~ ibability there was of fuccefs, no objection, he willed,
He would do "liahlie farther at Peere'ooll it. than ; would be entertained to endeavour to difcrover by
• Move that thereillyansuld•he printed, .and in toe I
courfe of a fortnight or three.weeks, he would move amicable conomunication with the enemy, whether
peace was attainable ? ,After we had ratisfied our-,
for the fecond readjusgtakiog care to give their Lord {elves as to that point, the next confederation would.,
fhips due noticed the particular day when helhould be
make that motion. be, whether the peace were likely to he datable , .
And here he could nut avoid oblerving, that though
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' •Lord HAWKESBURY obferved, that as the peace might be obtained, Rill from the experience of,
.Irlonfe hid addreffed his Majdly to gommunicate
with Foreign Powers, for the popie tOf co
be
ucettiog the lail.lis years, he mighthave fold the Lift fourteen
the means of wholly aholifhing the trade years, the durability of any peace' Which might have
, hi thought
.sen obtained was much refs to be calculated upon.
it matcrialats know what had taken. place. It was than an, former troti:,.4.toktiose power. What,,‘
suing their Lordthips,thould be in poffeflion.of the thcreforie, mom he the policy of-any negotiator
erielb of thefe comm'snic,atiPnl issforc they "14: chargedjo teat 11i in lien ` a power us) the part of this .
"proCeed in SO. (145 X. fq.kieet of .fuch
,peculiar delicacy, eountri, 'but to endeavour to obtain -Ilia terms is'
ond of loch greht imairrionce. fhnuld compenfate for-the uncertainty of the items-.
Loud EL .i had Jiving objections to the title of No country, flooding in the preeminent fituaton this
theli)i.• • TAi sp, beecould Trade, he was convinced,
did, would facrifice fuch objedi for a peace uncertain
never he whollybthotifited but in concert _with fa .as tolls durability, as it would for peace which was
reign Powers. He hoped ;hat the eptelliott would
not be hurried ; hut that, inftead of .0 fortnight or
,likaly to be permanent. The only bafis, therefore,
three weeks, twicc,h.;t tine would pafs before it was. upon which this country could have treated, and did
offer to treat, was that of afloat poffenion. We could
brought into difetdfion. . nofafford to pay a large pr;ce for an uncertain peace.
Loral GRENVlLLE.remarked. that.except No-.
.f a i nsole the vowel for the enemy were in porri.nion of alma the uncon-
ble Lordi were difpoted
printing, this was Mot the r.l. trolled dominion .of the Continent ;on the other
efas flake to debate "6 hand, our power was as abfolute-by tea, and in every
Bill. Upon a lublealn Which the charaeter and in part of the *Meld where the enemy had formed cola
icicle or the country, and the confifteney of their pill eftabliattsrents. It was not in the nature of Poweto
Lordthipa, were inyulvedAe tlcyitka,:ca any Uwe- fo differitt in their kind, to be let off, againft each
oeffary- May. ' ?Were was no entettion lrhich could
crone befote the Houle, eqUal 'id diagditddc to the, Other, unlefs England from a naval and colonial
power .thoirld become a military and territorial
fubjett of the prefeed Bin ' He ;teas .ib convinced
_, of .lhould become a naval and colopial power ; and n
ponce. from a' military and territorial,.!
. the policy. and necetlhy of the' riestriire; that he kw
o objeg;on'to itrundergoinithe wyt ;tibiae diftut what ower. This was
n
, made the perfons entreed with the Govern-
lion. " Let there (fahrthelghhl___e larid) be time lon
deliberation, fur teaeition; fr'''. eratnirting the (pennon meat think, that aattal poireffion was the only hafts'
A upon which they could pro pole to treat. This prin.
in a:1 its rel°lP:fts and .bestißlls I" ,berAbs• mine- ciple, however, was not to be rigidly and undeviat-
their Lotsiadps; after what had paired, after What
~, ingly adhered to ; that was an Fib
'they into which
'they h. 44 fokstolii9;dtid .tharril'Flii4 II?' would perfons of conunon fenfe could fcateely fall ; but it
sever allow the tlifeuthett 4 :it to be fo far delayed
was to be made the belie of a principle of reftitution
is to.eutsfister its :Paging in ,
the coutTe et. the Ile', . cot fair equivalents. • There was alto another prinei
ton. He Would repeetb. *births had let out with •
kei t:mold Se given of the-feiond ly, that
tanned the ball. of the negociation ; oame
...laying. that fuch no/
trea4irtg,.as flairild be` fitting the -regutailty ortheir 'r that thiecountry, either in treating with France
or 'wiy other power,. can never treat upon a prin.
* Lorellbips' proceedings. i . • l
eiple of inferiority. -Tem was no power in the world
*LIM gt.p.'pti ~,,b ti! far irom wifhing for ozone-
which_was entitled to arrogate any fuperi pity over
teffary delay, thrro4nl Ritted eighteen months ago. tlth country. If we We to treat with France and
that it W./44 oa many 4faelvalnie stdvilcablt the quellinn
her A ilitl, it mull be upon the principle fo forcibly •
fhoold. be.hrentest
_so yap itrJrnetiiAle decifion. He c
xpreffed and clearly laid down by Lord Lauderdale,
winged to know Whether it was only the African Slave thativar is equelly difadvantegeotro and'peace equal-.
Trade. ear:at-the- _io general .which it was meant. ly defirable fur both countries. This was the only
to aboldla.. • , i
,ipriociple upo
charactere y 1' n which an treat could be made, ern
Ws lielai frildsrl4 the DOlta of. CLARENCE
filleot with the charar or intetefts of the Britifh
raid, that lit didinteodanhave °polled the firli read-
Nation. The next conlideration was, what conduit
;iv( ;hut, (itasi g/v4,llfd tailssis place, he thought the
, were we to hold with refire& to foreign powers ? It
ntotinis for printing Lb oulsl,ol,,_'as a patter of comm. would be in vain to dear-, that themisfortunes of the.
His feadmvpti, hotetv'er, with trhfpea to the meafure,. Continent wet e deeply felt here. Whatever extraor-
contioped the cottairs'titiy.batsl. alms boo. dinary doctrines might have been formerly or lately
lhcDin .l'f*Niefltd to be printed. •
..., -Anted, it was Mope:talc that this countty, preferv•
Tai{ - .149nciarPOS. jug 'a doe regard lot its own confequence or interefts,
' The Decd of the Pao. for taking sire Cottefpon-,
would ever kink with indifference to what was palling
*dee teloting to the bkgrociation with Frame
.iuto on the Continent. When his Majefly thought fit to
co/aisle/114mi. haying Well .rnoved.atod rent. call the prefent Minitters to his Countib, they found a
, Lord 0414'04 LE tale. He offered •hirradf, be treaty with Mafia, 'which had been concluded by the
1 f*l4'. to their Lur44iPs f°7 'the -Ptwolfe of •r"ving farmer Administration. By an article in that treaty
imen an A:isirefi as he conceited it would be proper
this country was' bound not to make peace with
for their Loathips to vote upon his Lliijeftra,Com-
France without the conftnt of Roffia. H'ad he been
monnieation. • The parts Lad heen a inacttni time
one of that Adminiftration, cr were it rothble that
in tbe'rif`Am of then' L'74lhifn to ennblf 'thin' to' his opinion could in any way have been taken, he
judge of the tondo& of the Gcreetntnent. {hey were would have given it in favour of concluding loch a
. uneuelly, be would even fay, unpretedentedly vu-
I treaty. If Europe is ewer to be reftored, it can only
luminous. If their Lordfhirs lut;ked back to former
I be by this country's identifying itfelf with. the Conti-
commuoicaticins. they Might find that the papers be-
nental Powers. That being the cafe, the treaty with
fore them were not fo full m detail as tome of theft. Rollie was not only wifely made, but it was fuch a
' lie would a'amit,iii this initiate, Tat the commurri-
treaty as it was peculiarly incumbent on this country
' eati.ma iete !tot cdoperkte ; lout or any °minions
to make. Had it even been nnwifely made, though
there might he, be bolted he would he able to {late
he might have difapproved cf it, Rill, after the facred
fich fofficient 'reafons as would fully fatisfy the word of his Majehy had been pledged, whatever the
Hiatsfe. it wortld not he deniedfry etiy one who made . onventencies'of adhering oak might have been, he
the swami:4.oa ar,hli • (atria pomets the übjea of
would hare felt it his duty to adrift that it fhould be
{tit attentious, ;bet cake•,wnsy frequently arife .in
maintained. The line, therefore, of negotiation was
which it would be highly irovwdent and Mort tic
I marked out for us. If athed to negotiate, we could
t?;efi':er•P.o!:'!j; 411 the Ptticit!-nlita deg, won. only negotiate in concert with that Power whole con-
Were thi*.ec'untrY aljne emlenst"'" this I."'" r- fent was necalTary to any peace we might conclude.
baps be "tln. "Ce a'Y i butt; '1 w" a quire differ- ' The mode and form of negotiation were equally pre-
etortafe where the intercus of an Mks, were involved. ,
fcribed to us by die principle of this treat,. He was
Publicatioo, where a treaty eras broken off, was al-
'aware that ente cafes ought he pot. It might be
. tkittri attended with forre:difadVanieges. This Mao- tau, w ill you
bad yourfelf to make peace in no.eafc •
%entente, ;glutting front our CIl inititilkin• "Tc.ibilifit
If hbout the 'content ofßuffia ? TO this be would re-
irs'''F. tet °,l”lllTees bcemillei 11°Vvrre great, itn'va6 plyt'tiy niktiiiii the impxob ',Unity that any of thefe'ex-
sd.4ls7 c"tniattistea by the hstr. " °I. that ''"""'itn' ovine cafes would orife ; but etch if. they did, there
. tion ; hut. let hail 'no right to.effly filch a prineipte,
was a maairp iti the public law which provided for
to 'our Aries: ' Upon two -fuiftuer 'occaMos. ithe
• Isiah unexpeCted Mcorrences, in Which it/was exref-
. Treaties of Lille and Paris) we puhlilhed the- 'thole fed .l.
that no man or flare was hottod to isispoffibilltres.
of the communications, b.ceauft in dock mhlances we
Suppo(e Rutile Mould fey, you theft' toot" have Ty.
were alting for• ourfelves alone ;but on the late oc-
make I cenfent tu 'peace unlefs lim,putin priffiffiron of
cafion we were chhioed %kith the inteielts of an-AILY' l port of the ancient French MOnarchy: It would be
' and were conlegtootly precluded (tore puVillina a- 5, 1 bfurd to offer fuch an argument againft the treaty,
Arch parts of the ututty as related more particularly erecau fuch an extreme cafe was not likely to wife,
• to hires He thought it neeeffary to make there few
and therefore it was unneceffary to provide againit
is'f's'k's for rhf PtlYP°fe. °I übristing tome of thel it. The treaty was to be interpreted according to
objetlions whieh, ne was aware, might be made on the principles of common fenfe and. difcretion, and
accounto‘f omilEoup in the commonications. The therefore there could be no objettion to .ufing the
moll binding and comprehenfive terms that could be.
Ptowrcedfitier'ntol,witthitcOhebfolribm°onifdanca.Andlid7eafeatoeihrlmrs MalibelliPs,..
employed on fuch an occafion. Thus conneaed and
he trtiftl4 they WOuld.fee no retail' to objeo to. n identified avith Ruffla, it was impoflible we could treat
thouxht there was enough in the papers to juftify with France, except: in conjuoCtion withothat Power.
theft. ii t:/kohl be much furor iced if,after havtog pe- iWe had alfo.other allies whole interels we were •to.
ruled thervaliscuments, any perfon in Eurorecould be maintain ; among thefe were Sweden and 'Portugal.
of an opinion different from what, he was per fuaded, l
would be found to lie the general fentiment of their For them we had nothing to elk but that they fhould
. I,,ordfhipt, namely, thatit was entirely owing to the retain their poffeflions. There were two others alto
difprofuion of the enemy that peace vas prevented.— , Hanover,
—he meant the Xing of Naples and the Eledor of
This was one of the propofitiotis which he meant to i Use- loft of whom, notwithitending hip con-
offer. The next was that afTuradce, Which he netnion' with this country, was in this inftance to be
confident no one in the country, who valued the
was contidered as a foreign power. To the firft of thefe
we were under no engagement that he should recto-
' national honour Or intereft, would withhold, of giv-
ing every !Siloam to his Majefty for profecuting the I vet the whole of his Kingdom. He had, however,
war with 4tentiland effect, and for maintaining that no hefitation in laying, that if his Sicilian Way
could be replaced in his former Situation, mad put io
preponderance which we had acquired in every guar.
ter of the ginbe but the Continent of Europe. He poffeffion of his kipgdom 041 Naples, by • the facrifice

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