Star.
London, England, 1831-10-12 00:00:00

Till LABOURING BOWL

3:r. SADLER then rose, pursuant to notice, to brim. for.
ward his moden respecting the condition of the Lbo'urine
poor. He should postpone that part of it which corcented
the menufacturine poor, but the present division of the sub.
feet V:.12, paraloount importseee. It bad been well said.
Ceat it w: s the sr prime beeiness" of Parlament to retold to
br cordition of the labouring poor of the country. If c
whole Session were emoted to it, tinie eaention would
aess he deleted in vain. The distress end the insult's:ldea-
tion which had characterized the cgricultural labourers ought
In attract immediate attention. Hoe happened it, they ought
to inquire, that thee peculiarities had taken tbe place of Ha
hetet y and sub adinai ion ? How happened it that the condition
%hid. had been se prat ed by poets and other writers, had so
teriously and calamitously altered ? Was not this an inquiry
el some Coll.eqUellCe to the well-being of the State ? The
psasantry were now in a hopeleee condition ; the only chance
rresented to them was that of being rent to sonic etistan.
climes, anti there to exhaust life, ttopitied ut knowe.,—
The elienees were of a most a filletinll tbatPcttl ; anti wheece
had rasutt<d the chon;:,es ? The rocooragement given to im-
rovident marriages amongst the egriceltusal poor had in-
creased the evil. The evil tees not felt in Lineulttehitc.
Northumberland, and Cumberlend, because in those coun-
ties these improvidest marriages had not been encouraged.
( Hear.) Yet in these pieces distresses existed amongst the
labeuring pour, then they et uld pot any th't the evil tt: lm-
provident marriages did net cause the difficulties. As to
the charge ebeut superabordant population, the tviddicc
showed that it was not founded in fiat, for in harvest
time the supply of native hands was insuffidene to teem
the demand. Then what became of the compleint abort
redundant population ? They might not bo mooed ht
winter as In harvest time—but did the sportsman say
that his horses sod dogs were superaltundeatt because Lc
did not want them during part of the year? Did the(
general say his army was., useless when ie was la whiten.
quarters ? Ode peat muse of the crectiou of this evil was,
the engros%ment o; farb.S.—tha. conselidetion of fanas might
produce better rents, and the inure aceura.e paymeet of
them ; but the system was mcs. injurious emetreed the
coed ition of the agricultural poor, atelithe cofaccrent will.
being of the betty politic. The enclosures were another
cause of most fatal cousequences; they were west it jutioes,
and a great violation of equity, as far as the labouring poor
were concerned. They eught to blush for tic tout lay .bie
bad sanctioned such violation of the rights of the cottager*.
The ablest and most powerful writers had defended the rights
of the pour as regarded inclosures of waster, commons, tic.
from Bacon dam n to air John ainclaie. Those inclosures
had left uo hope for the poor, and a entnnattee of the :muse
bad expressed the opinion that :Le inclosures had Leen greatly
injurious to the poor. No rights were reserved in them ;
every thing ass done that was injurious to the laborious..
•The garden, and the common tights were not oily hicloec3,
but in many instances the cottkaa were demolished. Could
goad have been anticipated front such results? Sufficient
habitations for the poor bad not been left. The changts
ware particularly evident by cuntraqing the state of
Suffolk, as compared wi.h Ipfi and the taesent period;
tie dwelling. bed diminished eleven per cent. while po-
pulation bad increased eighty per cent. Could such a
change be contemplated without alarm? The mode of
biting agricultural labourers had. also mos. prejudicially al.
tered. Tory had heretofore been hired by the year; now the
hiring was eery diffirent ; and the in-door wort ut c ettaters
wa.aareetly diminished, in many instances gone. All these
tees ,oust be remedied, if they ever hoped to see the ape-
natural poor in a better coneidon. He admitted the ques-
tion area whet were the remedies? (Hear, hear.) H:
deptered that he had so often endeavoured in vale to gain
the momentary attention of the hues--attention that otetht
to Le extended from motives of humanity, if not fro.' other
anti pewetrul reeling*. (Hear.) lie was for enabling Intl&
v astieb. ta cultivate our deserts at home, instead of sending
our une,i p;oyed poor to the Antipodes, the Equa'or, or the
Pules ; Le would propose that in those villages where there
we, a marsitett want of cottages, sonic arrange; tent should
be ado; red to remedy the want. Good cottages ndght be
Lush, tear giving 50s. a year would pay good in:erest for the
mole $ , and would lower the rents. He would also secure
good and sufficient gardens to the cottager*, advantages that
might b. procurtd sith little ineonvenier.ce wad coat. He did
not meat headlands, that were at some distance front the cot.
tog's. To promote these advantages, that would be so eery
beneficial, how advantageously might public money be lent;
how much better would this be than any plan of tuortgaging
the poor rases. to send the labourers out of the country.—
There u ere triter parts requisite to carry his plans into ef-
fete, but he would :eery,: dean for discussion on a future
occasion. He seid that his suggestions mi a be objected
to because it ego., Id be said to interfere fart Ilie Itglits of
property ; but this country had two moths of proceeding,
one regarded rights of property, and one as repealed pau-
pers. And he hoped that the House would listen to a Intl.
reason, ...tech was confined to the simple restoration of a few
acres of lend to the cottages of the poor, which would be a'
much better plan than the fixing of spring. guts or steel
trees-. tl.ey s.wld operate much more a:idea:fly on their
teeltne, is:stead of working on their fears, to wo.k on thee
giatitudt.—to help the poor, by putting them in a situeeion
to help thenaelvea. The Hon. Member cincluded with
tiauvulg ter leave to bring in a bill to embody the several
petters he had 'oared.
et message WA% received from the Lords regarding sonic
Dills in progress.
On the question lasing put to the Chat: on the motion of
Na. :rattle+,
sir. C RIM'S said, be was happy that the Hun. Mena.
bit had thrown oat his suggestions, because he considered
the greatest evil. that aeter.ded the labouring aviculture'
class was the want of habitation, and a remedy he most
sincerely desired to obtain; in addition to that of hay-
Mg a residence, he approved of their having a garden
attached to their cottages, although he might differ
with the Hon. Member in the quantity of lead to be so
appropriated. He bid in his own parish set @part land for
to. employment of the poor who applied to the overseetsl
fee wswk, which had been attended with the best effect.—
Aud he could 'rot but thank the hon. gent. for bringing for.
ward the measure.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he

had beer. exceedingly aneicos to Lear the plat row ed
the hon. g.nt. well ki.nwit.7 that Imo let le.eat ere-igloo
he had paid to these et bj..ets that he was ituly gtttdltYed
for t' e urdetLkln.e. H:: lortlehir• LowLecr, was. rot cer-
tein that the mud. so !.vocati.il by :be bite. gem. and
whit'. to his 1011'01? appeared to be so &simile. was a'
proper object for legislative itterference, but be did rot elite
to oppose then atioe ; on the custrasy, to use 1.1. jo.flucolcu
te induce the House to allow de. Bill to be brou ,ht in, that
it might be before the public, anti that t'...ry ml•gt:tt lie pre.'
part d to refer %Iron it agriritt anotlae serdon.
Mr. HAY Nt; acknowledged the .cestiiy of rill' to tite
purr, but Lc vary meth ,luuhtcd the effieecy of the plat.
prnposcd by the h.on. member. lie detiell tha. redundancy
of population was arty cruse of the labotirine distress, and
be thought that ro measure should any tefertnee to
population, as population could alone regulate itself, vet la
rejoiced that tile hon. member had brought forward Lint atm
sure, es it woull afford hi n an opportunity to assist the
hen. gentltne n ht la. worthy object of ofirectlng the more
Tealtby to slittlate the erint'ltion of the poor.
Colonel TORI(ENS said he would no: dispute with the
hoe. ti.emlar or the subject of political economy, as the
bun. tacn.b.r had disclaimed all knowledge of it.
Mr. 1;11ISCOR thou'g'ht that it WAS not a measure to be
orabr.ake.• by loeislationt bat that a gnat dial might be
done by etiv:te ineihrldualas klossessed of peopert!•
Mr. ESTCOURT said, Lisa in connote:me ur the hopes
that heel ken held out to the suffering poor, he was anzloas
that something should emanate front the Government to
shew there that their situation was not neglected by them ;
and he thought the tneasuee propostil by the Hn. Member
was the most likely to accoreplish that end, which was re.
unary. It was a guts:Jolt that must be taken up by per.
sons of ability, and it ought to be taken up by the Govern-
ment. They were deeply ied.bted to the lion. Member foe
brineing the question under cutisideration ; and tie was ron.
'rimed that if those people were satisfied but theit case was
to be taken untkr • ew next Session, it would he a cordial
relief to them.

Mr. CAMPBELL approved of the object of the Bill,
but 41;sapprovtel of the arguments with which he had cur.
tended for the rights of the cottage possession. lie was sue.
rrited that any one advocating such principles elmeld not be
a supporter of radicalism.
Mr. ROBINSON supported the motion, and said I e
was happy that his hon. friend had introduced it.
Mr. D. W. HARVEY said, the funds easing from
the sal: or renting of the waste lands, appropriated by the
enclosure acts to the poor, were misapplied. Instead
of being left as the property of the industrious poor,
struggling to keep themselves above the necessity of hav-
ing recourse to the assistance of the poor laws, they were
' carried to the parish fund, to relieve the rich from their
just contributions. The honourable Member for Aidboreugh.
should institute an inquiry Lim the millions diet were
misapplied, instead to calling on Government fu pe-
cuniary aid, which be considered unadvieuble for mat,
reasons, political as well as fiscal. lie coesidered Parlia-
mentary Reform the best relief Government could arord;
a reformed Pullen:en: would make ti.e rich bear that
just proportion of the public burdens, which the &debates
of the aristocracy had Lid almost exclusively on the
poor. (Elea.)
Mr. HUNT raid it was a delusion to think that the. Re-
form measure would do good, or that it was meant to do good
to the poor. He cot:curled entirely ia the speech of the hon.
member fur Altioerough, v.itielt was as benevolent AS it was
eloquent. Some measure for the relief of the laireurine poor
wen necessary. Their wages were so low that they barely
pre-erval them from starvation.
Mr. CAMPBELL explained.
Sir T. BARING coucurred in almoost every particular in
the speech of the Member or Aldboroogh.
Mr. WEYLAND approved of the plan of the member
for Aldboutegit ; but it v.ould 1:ot ailed so much relief
PS the hon. member expected. The gnat aim should be
a syslcie of legislatioe, which would CDCOUTO:6C CapiialiaS
to crebrak their money in mule: takings, giving employment
to the labouring classes, for eturloyment alone could effec-
tually relieve them.
Mr. ATT WOOD felt satisfaction a: seeing the House of
Commons resuming its proper dudes, end inquiring into
I the distressed state of the !shouting classes, instead of
bei:'g ettenged in e measure. described by some as one of
pmeinoure impth :mice, but which would be productive of
no relief to .he counuy. It was a reproach to than, that in
the outran of the great distress of the people they should have
been merely occupied with theoretical and speculative
schemes of legisLet.
Sir C.WETIiERELL said. it might have beep expected
that an inquiry lute the condition of the poor would have
originated with the Ministers, their supporters having
blamed the late administration for withholding it. 1110 sub.
hect, however, could not be in betty hands than in those of
is hon. friend, and be trusted it would be recollected, that
whilst the members fer the large towns had remained in.
active, the member for the decried, hunted-down borough of
Aldborough, had luboured to effect an amelioration in the
condition of the poor. It was by such practical MOSSO!!a as
those which he t reposed, that the people were to be satis-
fied, and co. by theoretical schemes leading to no bend.
eLi remit. lie ecncurre iin the observations of %he mem.
her for Colchester on our enclosure system, as it regarded
the poor.
Mr. PAGET could not coecur with those who regarded
parliamentary reform as not being a remedy for the griev-
anus of the poor—h would restrain Government from pro-
expenditure. The great increase of the public burdens
watt the e. use of the diedess ; %hen they amounted only to
ten miillons, the condLion of the English poor was enviable.
The misery of the poor had increased in proportion to the
hunisens of .he coueuy, sued those burthens had increased
n prepoetiun to the dumber or nominees in that Hasse.—
(Hear, hear.) I was the it:satiable cupidity of the borough.
mongers plunge'', the people in such distress and mi-
sery. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. SADLER replied.
Tee question was then put and agreed to.
Mr. BURGE withdrew ais motion respecting the West
India Colonies.