Star.
London, England, 1822-03-07 00:00:00

MALT TAX.

On the Report of the Malt Tax being brought up,
Mr. CURWEN said, he was anxious that the re-
duction proposed in that tax should be commuted
for something, more generally beneficial. Ministers
were, in that instance, giving up one million and a
half, without any corresponding benefit to the coun-
try or to themselves—it would not afford relief to the
'farmer, to the extent intended ; the principal part of
the sum would be divided between the brewer, the
maltster, and the public, and the actual relief to the
farmer would not exceed D 250,000. He was sea
loss to know if Ministers really thought they were
tonferring a lasting benefit to the country, and ren-
des ing a most extraordinary service to agriculture,
by the giving up one shilling a bushel of the Malt
Tax. Did they think that they could thereby increase
the quantity of tillage, or the consumption of barley?
If they were disposed to relieve the country of a bur-
den to the extent of a minion and a half, they would
find that an alleviation of the many duties on salt
would be-much more gratefully accepted, and confer

Sir ISAAC COFFIN said, that the dna.: on salt
were enormously high, and ought, at least in part, to
be repealed. Here the duty was 123 the ton, and in
Ireland it was £7. It frequently occurred that quan-
tities of salt shipped from hence to Ireland were
smuggled back again ; and at one time he knew that
nine Revenue cutters were employed to. prevent it.
The high duty acted as a temptation to smuggling in
every way; and he knew on the coast that some fish-
women brought it in their pockets, and contrivel to
sell it at 3d. the pound. He also knew, that at Tenhy,
the owner or master of a vessel from Ireland suffered
severely because three buckets of the scrapings of salt
Were found in his vessel ; and-the man was not let
off by the Treasury until after five months confine-
ment, and when his expenses amnunted to £5OO.
The Report was then read and the Resolutions
agreed to, and it was ordered that a Bill should be
brought in pursuant to the Resolutions. •
. THE QUEEN'S FUNERAL.
Mr. G. BENNET said, he rose to address the
House in pursuance of a notice he had given, to
bring under its consideration the circumstances that
had occurred at the funeral of her late Majesty, the
Queen of England; and in doing so, he did not feel
t necessary to offer any apology to the House; true
it was; that an apology might seem necessary from
him—so humble an individual—so little qualified by
station—so inadequate in talent to take up a subject
of such magnitude—but its importance, and the ho-
nour and character of the country, forced it upon
him as a duty, and whatever might be the motives
imputed to him, he fearlessly entered upon it. To-
wards the latter end of July last, her late Majesty
was seized with a painful disease, and after much
suffering, she departed this life on the 7th of August.
He was only surprised that the persecutions which. so
long hung over her, and pursued her footsteps where-
ever she went, which made the very heart sicker. it
their recital, had not sooner terminated her esistencel,
nothing but the fortitude and spirit which belonged
to her, and marked her conduct through life, and '
which she inherited from her illustrious family, could
have prevented her from succumbing under the
weight of her wrongs and sufferings. During her
illness, there was no decent respect paid her—no in-
quiries made—no notice taken of her by any of the
Royal Family, the Duke of Sussex excepted, who, with
atenderness of feeling which did him honour, did take
notice of her. However, after some days of suffer-
ing.she expired. Immediately after her decease, no-
tice was given of it to his Majesty's Government,
and on their wishing to see her Majesty's will, it was
sent to Lord Live& pool. In that will was contained
a wish that her corpse should be conveyed from this
country within three dais after her decease; and
Lord Liverpool sail that request should be complied
with. These were her testamentary wishes certainly.
He had a copy of the will in his hand, and it was
only necessary for him to refer to that part of it in
which she expressed a desire that her body should
be carried out of the kingdom within three days after
her decease. (The Hon. Member here read that part
of the will.) But the House would be anxious to
know under what circumstances and by what motives
her Majesty was induced to expreas that desire, and
they might then be able to judge under what Wan-
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Nif, and LOH Liverpool pointed out to his
Hen. Mid Learned Friend the coarse to be followed.
Illis Hon. and Learned Friend requested to know
'what arrangements Were made at the other side of
the water, at Stadt—a very inconvenient town for
making hasty arrangements, particularly for a fo-
reigner unacquainted with the language of the coon- •
try. On learning that no previous arrangements
were made, his Honourable and Learned Friend de-
claied it impossible for him to take the care of the
funeral, and therefore declined taking any part in it
after it had left England. On Tuesday, the 14th of
August, the funeral set out from Brandenburgh House.
He (Sir. Bennet) was present, and with-his own eyes
saw what passed, and heard his Hon. and Learned
Friend exclaim against the hasty and indecorous con-
ducting of the funeral, and the total absence of that
solemnity which was due to her Majesty's rank. He
(Mr. Bennet) strongly complained of what passed at
Briadeeiburgh House, and of that want of ceremony
which waydne to the funeral of the Queen of Eng-
land ; he had seen at the funerals of even Noblemen,
greater, be would not say splendour, but respect paid
by the survivors. Her room was merely hung with
black, but that was not a mark of respect peculiar to
Royalty. Perhaps the House was not aware that it
was a privilege of the Royal Family that the body
of the deceased should be removed by the Yeomen
of the Guard, and none else; but that mark of re-
street was not paid to the corpse of her late Majesty;
her body was permitted to be removed by the under-
taker's men ; that, in a philosophic mind, might be
insignificant and unimportant ; but it at least tended
to chew a disposition on the part of Government to
heap her lifeless-corpse with indignitier;—(Hear).--
The funeral set out on the worst day he had ever
seen; the-rain fell in torrents, yet it had not pre-
vented the People from spewing their zeal and affec-
tion for her Majesty. The streets were crowded to
excess—men and women appeired clothed in black
—not a mob—it deserved not that name ; they were
the respectable and middliniclasses, who came on thit
day to pay the last tribute of their affection to their
deceased Queen. Never Was more respect shewn by
a People—never more tears shed than at her late
Majesty's funeral. He only spoke of what he saw
until its arrival, after repeated interruptions at Cum-
berland-gate. These a scene took place which every
one must deplore; the more to be lamented, front
the occasion which caused it; hut he had no beak*.
tion in saying that his Majesty's Ministers were the
authors of the bloodshed and the calamities inflicted
.on that melancholy day—on their heads alone rested
the charge--(Hear, hear).—The funeral then conti-
nued its course, after many obstacles, through the
bye-ways pointed out by his Majesty's Government,
till, at length, it was obliged to yield to the wishes of
the People. It was evident, on that day, that but one
feeling pervaded the metropolis as to the course the
funeral. ought to have taken, and the conduct of Go-
vernment in endeavouring to make it proceed pri-
vately. The same feeling which existed in the metro-
polis extended itself to the suburbs; and, during the
whole way to Romford, nothing was manifested but
the deepest sorrow, and the greatest anxiety .to pour
forth the last tribute of their affection to the remains
of her Majesty. It arrived at ltomford at 10 o'clock,
and there was an intimation given that it should be
.ready to set out at a quarter of an hour after ten;
therawas a, remonstrance against that precipitate de-
!penury, but in vain, and the funerar again set out .
'that night for Chelmsford, where it arrived early in
Olt sagrming ; notice was there given that it would
'text *wily sifter seven o'clock ; it was impossible,
howevare to proceed before eleven o'clock, the horses
wore so 4aded, and all the attendants so fatigued.--
It•reached Colchester the next afternoon; it was in-
tended that it should have continued on to Harwich,-
against which his Hon. and Learned Friend remon-
strated, bat in vain, though he produced a letter from
Lord Liverpool ; but so jaded and fatigued were the
,berses, that it was found impossible to proceed fur-
thee that night ; he believed there was no doubt of
the inclination, if it were practicable. Her Majesty's
remains were that night sleposited in the Church at
Colchester; to that circumstance he would shortly
refer, leaving it to his Majesty's Ministers to give an
explanation of the matter. Her late Majesty was
anxious to have an inscription on her coffin, and she
desired the following might be placed on it--"" Here
lies the body of Caroline of Brunswick, the much-
injured Queen of England." That with was com-
municated to Lord Liverpool, and he declined inter..
feting, leaving it to his Hon. and Learned Friend to
act as it might appear prudent to him. The inscrip-
tion which her Majesty bad chosen was therefore in-
tended to have been pat on on the morning of the
14th, the day the funeral set out ; but the carriage
of Mr. Wilde, one of the executors,
with the other carriage, at Brand
he did not arrive until half.past
was too late. As the funeral
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was about sixteen miles from Colchester; and, during
the whole progress, it went with such speed, that it
appeared to be a funeral going post; some parts of
the procession were a mile asunder ; the funeral of
the poorest man in the kingdom would be conducted
with more decorum and solemnity than was the fu-
neral of the Queen of England ; the only appearance
of solemnity wa,s that of the people, who, during the
whole way, flocked from all sides, in thousands and
hundreds of thousands, to pay the last solemn tribute
of their esteem to the remains of their persecuted
Queen. On the arrival of the funeral at Harwich,
the conduct of those who had the charge of it was
characterised by the same want of respect to her re-
mains; the funeral drove up, and without waiting
for any human being, the body was dragged out of
the hearse and hurried away to the vessel—was low-
ered down without a pall—.without the Crown—and
without any one of those accompanying ceremonies
which attend the fnnerals of distinguished foreigners
leaving England to be interred in a foreign country.
The body was.then placed in a boat, with Sir Geo.
Nayler, the undertaker, and deputy undertaker —but
not one of her attendants—not one of her servants,
who were paying their last duties, was permitted to
enter the boats. Was that the interment suitable to
the dignity of the Queen of England ? Were those
the ceremonies that should have been observed on so
solemn an occasion ? A regard for decency alone
would have required different conduct. Here endo
the funeral as tar as concerned his Majesty's Govern-,
ment, ezcept that it appeared they changed their ori-
ginal plan, and suffered the undertakers to embark.
If expedition, and a desire to comply with her late
Majesty's testament was the object of Government,
why did not the ship sail till the next morning? here
it was clear there was no hurry. Such conduct was
shameful; to hurry away the hearse which contained
the body of a Queen, as if it were a fish-cart. What
occasion was there for inflicting such indignities on
a lifeless corpse? Why not more Solemnity ? Why
not more decorum? On the 19th the remains of her
Majesty arrived at Stack; here there were no prepa-
rations: the body was left on the shore until it was
conveyed by the zeal of the inhabitants to the church.
Te Magistrates, to manifest their attachment, ap-
plied twice to the Government to be perMitted to
go in procession to meet the funeral, but were re-
fused ; however, they went along with the people,
anxious to pay every repect to her remains.—
Tile next day it proceeded; and everywhere during
its progress to Brunswick was evinced the same re-
gard for her as in England. The people flocked from
aii quarters to shew their zeal—unreduced by bribes,
uninfluencei by money or money's worth—with a
ed to oppression, and a strong feeling against
the infliction of unmerited injury. Nothing could Le
more touching than to see the affectionate regards
and kind attentions which the women everywhere paid
to her Majesty's remains; everywhere flowers were,
strewed, and the daughters of the principal inhabi-
tants attended clad in mourning. Iler remains at
length arrived at Brunswick, and were there deposited'
in the tomb of her proud ancestors. In Brunswick
there was the same manifestation of feeling as else-
where, except amongst the Magistrates ; and such
was the conduct adopted there on her interment, that
I.: ':•ht say no funeral rites were pert& med—there
was: an absence of the usual ceremony ; but it might
be said no ceremony was used on the interment of
he 'tither. No; because the ceremony was lei formed
before, where he had been first interred after the bat-
tle in which he fell, and he was removed to the tomb
of Iris ancestors. Such might be the conduct of the
Knights of Brunswick, like the French Knights of
the Revolution, who held the doctrine that " death
was an eternal sleep." She now rests in the tomb of
her ancestors, by the side of her brother and father,
who fell victims to a most oppressive tyranny ; but
he doubted much if that tyranny ever produced an
example more harsh and black than the present.
There was not a place in the world in which the name
of Queen Caroline would not be uttered to Heaven
by those who prayed for an alleviation from suffer-
ing, and that her lot may not be theirs. Before he
concluded he would come back to England, and call
the attention of the House to the conduct of his Ma-
jesty's Nlluisteis. They knew the solicitude and the
anxiety of the Public on that occasion—there was
not one in any class who was not anxious to shew her
Majesty's remains every respect. Government, then,
should not have adopted a course that would shock
public feeling ; it was their duty to have used every
means to conciliate it. They had unless than the
request of the Aldermen and Common Council of the
City of London for that purpose, who were treated
with contempt, unless when it suited party views to
treat them otherwise: but he looked upon them as a
most respectable body, and thought their opinion
ought to be respected even by those opposed to them.
On the occasion in question they put their opinion on
record, and that was the opinion of the greatest part
of the people. The Hon. Member here referred to
the Resolution adopted by the Aldermen and Com-
mon Council. He thought that the Lord Mayor
might have attended the funeral. If Government
possessed the slightest portion of that common sense
which conducts a man through life, they would have
seen they had but one course to pursue, and that was
to conciliate public feeling and comply with the re-
quest of that respectable body, the Aldermen and
Common Council of the City of London. Why Mi-
nisters came to the decision of drawing her through
bye lanes, and not give the People an opportunity of
strewing their respect for her, perhaps they should
hear in the course of that night, but all the conse-
quences of provoking the people to a violation of the
rest upon their heads. If the People, on
hand, were wrong-headed, on the other hand
,as too great a sacrifice of human blood—
., hear). Whether the People should have
opportunity of honouring her Majesty when
when living was purchased at too dear a price.
Id not help feelleeply on the subject—he
• enough to recollect when sire first came to
country, full of hope, and life, and joy, beauti-
- thought, and amiable, and *shortly after she

to beat)—(clear). That - - -
infamy upon all those concerned. in the institution of
it, while it wi
ll remain one of triumph to those Noble
Lords who stood forward in defence of themselves
Nil she Constitution, and of that gallant People who
were .ready to protect her late Majesty.
.He knew
that the fate of his motion would be that of all the
motions connected with that illustrious Lady ; but he
• uld be ashamed, as an English gentleman, if be
did not fearlessly give expression to his sentiments on
at subject. He hoped that he had done it with the
feelings of a Gentleman. His anxiety was great to
on record the sentiments of an individual on a
subject which, whether one looked to the present or
future, deeply affected the character of the Eng-
lish nation. The Hon. Member concludeilby moving
she following Resolution-
- " That this House eandders the respect and solemnity due by
111111 kit custom to the funerals of the laoseens of England, have,
it the ems of her late Majesty Queen Caroline; been unneeessa-
irOy and indecorously violated."
Mr. CALVERT said he was present When the.cof-
fin was lowered, and that it appeared to him to have
been done with the greatest solemnity. All due de-
corum, he could assure the House, was observed in
the naval part of the ceremony.; and he believed that
every solemnity was observed through the whole joist-
ney. He thought the Hanoverian Government made
every exertion possible. There was great difficulty
in providing for so many horses, upwards of sixty.
Sir G. COCKBURN said he rose to vindicate the
naval part from the imputation of the Hon. Mover.
Mr. BENNET immediately said, so far from throw-
ing censure on the naval part, they conducted them-
selves with that good sense and feeling which charac-
terised the Navy on every occasion.
Sir G. COCKBURN said, Captain White was
there to receive all persons attached to the procession
who were to go on board. He (Sir G. Cockburn).
even asked the Hon. and Learned Gentleman what
description of force he preferred, whether a small or
large frigate? He replied that he preferred a large,
one, as being the most respectable, and a large one
was accordingly ordered round from Portsmouth,
and on the coffin being put on board guns were fired.
Mr. CALVERT said that Sir George Nayler cer-
tainly attended with the pall and crown when the cof-
fin was lowering.
Mr. GossET f rose, and said he was not in the
House when the Honourable Member fer Shrews-
bury spoke ; but if there was anything wrong in
lowering the coffin, the fault was attributable to him.
He conceived the mode adopted the most convenient,
as the beach was so shallow that it could not be easily
carried. The coffin was lowered by means of a
crane, and though officers were appointed to work ir,
as trey were not accustomed to the use of it, it was
determined that four men who had should work it.
Every accommodation was given to those who at-
tended the funeral. As the funeral was approach-
ing Ilarwich, he rode out of the town to meet it, and
said there was no time to be lost, as the tide would
not answer if they did not make haste, and it would
not suit before two or three o'clock the follow-
ing morning. It was intended that the coffin should
be placed in the Town hall, but on examining it, it
was found that the winding of the stairs was too nar-
row. It was then determined that it should be placed
in his own house, for which purpose he had the win-
dows taken out. Ile thought there was no reason to
complain of any absence of respect.
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Mr. HUME thought it his duty to state, that he
had never witnessed conduct more creditable in the
parties than that of Captain White and his men. He
had no hesitation in saying that every possible sign of
proper feeling was manifested on their part while the
body was being lowered into the boat. What his
Hon. Ft iend had complained of was, that no boats
were ready to convey the mourners on board. When
Lord Hood asked what convey ance was prepared to
carry them on board, he found none ready. He
then inquired in what way he and the rest of the
household were to be brought back ? Captain White
said, he bad received no instructions, but he had no
doubt that instructions would soon be received,
and be would take it upon himself to say, that his
vessel should attend to reconvey his Lordship or any
part of the household safe to England. His conduct
was very gentlemanly, but no boats were ready to
take the mourners with the body, and an hour after
the coffin was embat ked, it was a matter in debate
whether they should go over in the packet or by the
frigate. He gave the Hon. Member who had last
spoken credit for his exertions, and only regretted
that he had not attended the preceding part of the
procession. No complaint had been made by his
Hon. Friend of the manner in which the funeral was
received on the other side of the water. The body
had not been suffered to be borne by common under-
takers; but eight Majors had offered themselves for
that purpose. The people too bad insisted—he be-
lieved against the wish of the Authorities, on remov-
ing the coffin from the hearse to a carriage which
had' been prepared for it, which was drawn by a
number of the most respectable inhabitants. He had
no hesitation in saying, that had there been no inter-
ference on the part of the Government, the same
would have .happened on this side of the water.—
That of which his Honourable Friend principally
complained was the way in which the funeral had
been conducted in this country. With respect to
the black hangings, every one who knew what oc•
tuned at Brandenburgh House must regard what
had taken place there as a mere mockery—(Hear).—
On the Saturday the workmen began to knock up
black cloth, though it was intended that thefunerall
should take place on the Monday. It was only-by.
a strong representation from Lotd Hood that it was'
postponed till the Tuesday. It was this indecent haste
that was complained of. But though it was deter-
mined that the corpse should be removed on the fol-
lowing Tuesday, the fixing up of black cloth was con-
tinued, as it should seem, merely for the sake of ex-
pending
so much black cloth and other materials to
no purpose —(Hear, hear). Whatever the expense in-
curred in this way might have been, it was not in-
clined to spew respect for her late Majesty. The Cu-

the body, contrary tothem on all similar occa-
sions, to be carried out aline main roads into the
lanes and, bye-waysr This was most uncommon.--•
He did not know whether it was the law; but he un-,
&mood that every path- through which a lune*,
passed, became immediately a public way. The Go-
vernment gave Orders that the corpse should be rer',l
moved by a circuitous route, and carried thronib
bye-ways. It was the want of certainty, as to the
road which it would take, that produced so great an
accumulation of individuals at the west end of the
town, as had been found there on the day of the &-
lanai. Had it been known that it would take the
road it in the end did take; those who had come from
Whitechapel to the West-end, would not have gone
1* far to obtain a sight of it.. Ministers ought not to
have supposed the People would submit to the dil-
'trace of.seeing the iemains of that Queen removed
through lanes and bye-ways. He hoped the Secre-
tary of State had communicated with Sir Robert
Baker on this subject. That Magistrate would in.
form him that the disposition of the People seemed
everything that could be wished, and all they
complained of was, that it was proposed to tarry
the corpse out of the highways—(fiew-, hear).—
That Magistrate, exercising a discretion for which he
(Mr. Hume) applauded him, had determined on al.
terinF the route of the procession. lie was certain
that it Sir Robert Baker had been allowed to follow
the course he was disposed to adopt, there would have
been no riot, no disorder, no bloodshed. An Officer
from the Government had prevented Sir Robert
Baker from acting as he was about to do, or that
Magistrate, who deserved a reward very different
from that which he had received, would have taken
a course that must have prevented much mischief.—
lie then came to that part of the conduct of the Go-
vernment which had been most culpable—that'
respecting the military, which had led to the most
disgraceful scene that had 'ever fallen under his ob-1
servation. Ile himself had seen a great part of it,
and lie lamented to say, the soldiers sent to act under
the orders of the civil power had, in fact, acted
against and broken the peace which they ought to
have preserved. He did not blame the Officers, for,
they, it appeared, had not ordered the men to act as
they did. The men ought only to have acted in obe-
dience to the orders of their Officers ; but they had
attacked the people with their swords, and even with
fire-arms, without orders. Soldiers acting such a
part were nothing but a lawless band with arms in
their hands, attacking their fellow-subjects whom
they ought to have protected, and they were guilty
of the murder and manslaughter which had been
committed. He admitted that the soldiers were
placed in a very perilous and painful position, but
how often were soldiers drawn up where they must
be exposed to be shot at, and yet abstained from act-
ing rill they were ordered forward by their Officers?
Here then was a want of discipline. He would
lingly admit that stones had been thrown, and that
the soldiers had been otherwise much insulted ; but
-still he must say, that in his eyes they had been the
first aggressors. He gave credit to Sir Robert Baker
for his conduct through the day, and was of opinion
that if the orders sent for a detachment to advance
to Tottenham-court-road, had arrived ten minutes
sooner, the result would have been most calamitous.
With the military force at their back, Ministers must
have triumphed, if they could value such as they
would have gained by cutting down and riding over
the helpless populace. That no respect was intended
.ta the Queen was plain from what took place after
the body had been carried through the City. The
moment the procession left Whitechapel, all the orna-
ments were removed, the attendants who had previ-
ously been on foot. wet e allowed to ride, and the whole
procession was like that of the funeral of the most
ordinary personage. An inquiry ought to have been
instituted after the verdicts of Murder and Man—
slaughter had been returned. Had a soldier been
shot, and the Coroner's Inquest returned a verdict
against ten persons, did any one believe that then the
matter would have been allowed to rest up to this
time without an inquiry being set on foot ? He
hoped the lion. Officer was then in the House who
on a former night reflected on the Coroner's Inquest',
that had sat on the body of Honey. He (Mr. Hume)
knew some of the individuals who had served on it,
and he could state, that a more respectable Jury had
never sat, and no Jury had ever been more fairly
called tygether. Ministers, he contended, on the oc-
casion oithe funeral, had not only treated the late
Queen with disrespect, but they had marked their
contempt for some of the most important institutions
of the country. He therefore felt it to be his duty to
support the motion of his Hon. Friend.
Mr. GOSSETT, in explanation, merely stated that
'the mourners might have availed themselves of Cap-
tain White's boat, to have accompanied the coft
from shore, and that some surprise was expressed at
their not having done so.
• General GASCOYNE said, it appeared from the
last speaker's own admission, that the real complaint
was confined to what had happened before the corpse
left London. The Honourable Member for Aber-
deen, when at Brandenburgh House, with all that so-1
Ilemnity and grief which the occasion inspired, could
not lay aside his-economy so far as to escape regret at ,
witnessing the great waste of superfine black cloth,
which he foresaw must occur from decorating the,
apartment in which the body lay with funeral em-
blems, for the short time the remains of her Majesty
were to remain there I—(Laughter).—He then di-
verged from this topic to accuse the military of a
' want of discipline, for attacking the crowd, though,
he admitted that they were placed in a very difficult
position, being insulted and pelted till some of them
dropped from their hones. Did he mean to say that
when a person put on. a red coat he had no longer a
right to defend his life? Or did he mean to say that
the military were not to be called out to preserve the
I peace, but merely to be used for the purposes of
pageantry ? Did he mean to complain that the mili-
tary were employed at all? If so, be must wish that
the body of the Queen had been wholly given up to

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King. He agreed with the Honour.
Aberdeen this personalities were
bad much regretted' an allusion
liad:fallen , him (General Gascoyne) on a
former night. The- Honourable GVntlennan bad,
however, in a great measure alleviated and relieved
those feelings of regret which he had experienced,
by replying to it, not on the same night.--not in the
heat of the moment—not- in the course of the de.
bate; but by coming down on the following day, af.,
ter having slept on is, and that too in the absence of
the individual with whom be was a little at variance
Mr. DENMAN spoke to order. As the allusioni
referred to a former debate, and,from their charactet
promised to be inconvenient to the House, he put it
to the Chair if they were not better avoided ?
• General GASCOYNE was about to reply; but wai
restrained by cries of ig Chair, Chair!''
The SPEAKER said, that having been appealed
to, he must declare that there could not be two opi-
nions on the subject. It was difficult fur him to inter-
fere on every breach of the rules of the House;
though the more the House departei from those
rules, the greater would be the degree of inconve-
nience found. He would not justify himself for nr.t
having before interfered ; and having suffered the
breach of rule in the former instances, he must now
put it to the House if they would allow him to inter-
fere at this point? at the same time, he pronounced
the course of the Honourable and gallant Member to
be contrary to the roles of the House.
General GASCOYNE only meant to say, that'as
he had made one personal allusion to the Honour-
able Member, the Honourable Member had made
one still stronger regarding him. It Was too fre-
quent a pi actice with the Gentlemen on his right to
affect a monopoly of independence—a ',Utile no more
likely to belong to the opponents of every measure
and opinion of -Ministers, than to those who occasiu.
ally differed from both sides. He would c,,nclude
with a remark from a very celebrated production--

"'Brother, brother, we are both in the wrong 1"
Mr. PEEL . regretted the agitation of this ques•
tion ; he had hoped the Hon. Member would not have
brought it forward without very sufficient cause:
his discretion was of course absolute in exercise, but

it was for him (Mr. Peel) to explain the grod .‘l,- of
his dissent. From the most careful perusal of all
the papers which had come to his hands, he had
a settled conviction that it was the earnest pur-
pose of Ministers to observe the dying %I/1,1.es of
her late Majesty, and to shew her remains those ho-
nours due-to her rank. He ai preached the d 3.11 siun
with a determination to narrow the limits of it as
much as possible; he would confine his rerna: ks t.)
the proceedings on her funeral.; he would i e,t his
case on the speeches of the Members for Mo;arosc
and Shrewsbury, as they were left by the Hon. and
gallant Members who were concerned in the conduct
of the funeral. Was it possible for the House to d: aw
any other inference than the proof of a sinctsre ish •
oil the part of Government to shew the remains of
her Majesty the utmost respect ? One Gentleman had
spoken who was connected with the epartment of
the Lnrd Chamberlain ; another gallant and lit. nour-
able Member had related the arrangements as they
regarded the army : the gallant and Honourable
Admiral behind him had stated what related to the
naval arrangements. The Members for Shrewsbury
and Montrose admitted that in these various .:apart-
ments the Gentlemen had behaved with propriety.
Surely it ought not to he a ground of charge that in
one particular instance or two a failure had occulted.
Would any man believe it possible that any mind but
that of a tailor would have been occupied during the
solemnity of a funeral with a consideration of the
waste of superfine black cloth used as a means cf
testifying respect to the remains of the deceased ?
He thought the attempt equally poor to set up a case
on what was called a mockery of respect in the pre-
sence of the military, when one ground of the com-
plaint was, that the military were all withdrawn at
a certain point. He considered the proper question
left for the House, after trying off the effect of
the speeches on both sides, to be narrowed to the
consideration of the conduct of the funeral from
Colchester to Harwich. The rapidity of the re-
moval arose from the desire of Ministers to comply
with the request of her Majesty to be removed out of
the country in three days from her death. That wish
had been, as nearly as circumstances would allow,
complied with. One of the chief complaints was,
that the body had not been removed, according to
custom, by the yeomen of the guard ; but the thing
happened on the funerals of the other branches of
the Royal Family, among whom were the Duke of
Gloucester and the Duchess of York. He (Mr. Peel)
had been informed by a competent, and, as he con-
ceived, the first authority on the subject, that in the
instances of the Duchess of York and the Duke of
Kent, the body was not removed but by the orders
of Government, through the medium of the persons
in the Lord Chamberlain's department. The Noble
Lord at the head of his Majesty's Government having
communicated to the Hon. and Learned Gentleman
the intention of Government to take on itself the
charge of the funeral, and to defray the expenses
and no objection being then made by him to that
arrangement, no impediment was or could have been
anticipated. With respect to the obstructions thrown
in the way of the funeral procession, he did not be-
lieve that, in the annals of the world, a more flagrant
or a more disgraceful outrage was to be found. If
we had heard of such an occurrence in the case of-
any other country—if we had been told that, in thV,"
case of the funeral of a Queen Consort in anothdri
country, the orders of the King for the funeral hair
been disputed, and the route prescribed for the pia-
cession had been obstructed, and the course of that
procession changed by a mob, we should have drawn
the conclusion that such a country was in the utmost
state of anarchy and confusion. When he heard it
said that the conduct of Government on that occa-
sion was in opposition to the inclinations and wishes
of the People of England, he could not but call to
mind the description of such a proceeding which had
been given on a former evening by the Hon. Member
for Hertfordshire (Mr. Lamb), in which he most cor-
dially ccncurred, and say that it was degrading the
i character of the People of England to confound them

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