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London, England, 1823-05-27 00:00:00

might not be withdrawn a.
taken op by the House?
coimei BARRY Innitseeineet, that, alse 'question:
having.been once PU-to ccill43lo4e,WitiideOWps.UTl;
Jess the sense of die Committee Were Jakenilioin it.'
. Mr. COKER stiggisted that if the Hon*fable
treiewor Colonel:Barry) opposed the withdrkwhtg
treat • ",. his hest ccasise. to :brill- tee 'mitt* to
sia7 r.-- • betotrioralwStimapestiollicapy Rut"
c01ie1,4).A3.0 „q)ll4lk*,4lp*Honoprable *eere-
WY for the_suggesticilved moved tficiefeint'thetli
. i .Te ri-. . •:-1
uestirei be now pit
q mt.. pLONWETT saidhe eribfd rsotlitOblnking
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eery _eta acndillawy one. The
tbeiniamlast made a.
arroseat of the +ion. :end gallant celonel-was,.that,
o'si queixion.had.been put, it.,Attit‘..niit,:bc. witla-
tii;wa, and his motion, , was, that We' qutespelnliAoi 4
put. .IC the questionlacillot beeri'ent, artrietseekmeg
reftls:argurnent, 2441 the queestiderlind twee put,
there was the oseroi7ha'SVG6oll a • How, he should.
be glactto knowater*ltit ,l'Aight Honourable .F iend
to.witbdrase a tiee14911.1.144 4 -.11. never.blef. put?.7....,
(Load toghter). ._ ,
Colonel- BARRTseId, Vibe 'if there were any ab-
surdity in the mlitionlte 6d'proposed: 4te 'was not
repolisibie foe it. He had taken up the suggestion
of the Honourable Secret:say-foe the Admiralty (Mr.
Cloker)—ascrcend kuegl,4o), . . • •
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Mr. w yNN objected to such a motion as nugatory,
becau-,e, it it were deternilnedthit the question should
not be now put, 'inch a decision wbuld be no bar to
Fatting it Indian hour hence, when the circumstances
might be materially altered. It would be
_more re-
gale toallow the Honourable Member tazwitEdi-aii
the question. .. ..
Mr. T. WILSON rose amidst expostulatory eries-J
aid ph!" He contended that-the question could not
be regularly withdrawn without the permission of
the Committee.
Sir JOhN NEWPOR- T said he apprehended no
honourable Member had the right of calling upon'
him to put any '
particular question. Now he (Sir
John) did not choose to put this question at present,
and nobody could compel Jiim to put it. It was per-
fectly competent to hint to examine the witness in his
own manner; and it was for himself alone to deter-
mice hereafter whether it might not be expedient to
put this question at a future period of the inquiry.
-Mr.PEEL said, that if his Honourable and gallant
Friend IColonel. Barry)' persisted in his motion, he
shotild certainly assist the ltight Honourable Bat onet
in opposingit. lie objected
.to any question being
rut for the purpose of extorting disclosures as to in-
derein symbols or signs adopted by the Orangemen;
bot if the Right Honourable Baronet had .been in-
famed that there were any verses from Scripture re-
hung to extermination read to the party taking the
path, he should not consider this an indifferent mat-
ter, and be should riot therefore object to putting any
goestions relative to such pa-sages from Scripture.
Mr. W. SMITH said a few words amidst cries of
• Question.'

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The witness was then called in, and the following
question was put to him by Sir JOHN NEWPORT:
Yea have stated that passages were read to Orangemen from
POW part of the Scriptures ; Irons what part of the Scriptures
act/tom passages taken?—(Loud cries,of Withdraw.")
*The CHAIRMAN ordered the witness to withdraw.

BANKES suggested that it would be better to
Mite question through the Chair.
tits BROUGHAM said it was material that the
Committee should pause a little, to consider in what
'position they now stood. The witness hid on two
tensions openly contemned the authority of the
110ose ; when he was called back the second time, and
ailed whether he would answer the question put by
theCoMmittee, he told them distinctly that he would
not. The question now at issue between' theCom-
aittee-and the witneso.wasi.wliethertlieer or the wit-_
less should prevail.? It was said that..the luestiou
which he had twice contumaciously rtite:o to an-
i'ver had been answered to-night; and rthis were soi'
then he (me. Brougham) wcsuuhd admit that the vie•
tory, such as it was, .had been gamer! Y; the.Cona-
soiree. But what was the answer which had been
at length obtained ? The witness declared that no
passages in Scripture were read,eicept with reference,
to the signs and symbols by which Orangemen might
'hint each other, as if, as had bees well observed out
of deers, a thing could not be at once a sign, and a
pledge; as if a watchword might not be also a pledge,
and a pledge so much the more fatal, as it would
operate in the double capacity of a rallying cry and
in obligation. now had the witness anstvered the
question, whether he recollected the part of Scrip-
ture Rim which these verses wereitaken? The object
of the question was to ascertain where the passage
Zal to be found, and the answer of .the rritness was
marvellously definite,. precise, and •kxplicit ;it was
to be found 'Villain the Old Testament—(A .laugh).
TteCommitteetAlt upon the witness to point out ;be.
paticular part of the Scriptures in which the passage
es lobe found, and the witness facetiously refers them
to the Old Testament. The Committee had an ample
space to expatiate in ; the passage might be in Genesis
or In blalichi ; it might set forth that Abraham begat
hot, and Isaac begat Jacob ; or might be a passage
recommending us to exterminate our enemies root and
haricot, so that neither man, nor yoman, nor suckling
might survive. The witness was called upon to point
oat the particular part of the Scriptures, and he re-
kited them to all the books of the Ohl Testament-.+
Apocrypha, he supposed, and all. Was there ever,
aatere degrading mockery of the dignity and prid
'lieges of that House?—(Hear,. hear).—lt was, al,
gross a mockery, as if the witness had been asked-1
" How many Orangemen are there ?" and had an.
" I will not 'tell you, because I am bound
01 my oath ; but if you consult the multiplication
table you may find it out." Under these ch cum.
stances, he should suggest that the form of the motion
be, not that the question be now put by the (Init.+.
Woo, but that this Committee, having directed the
Chipman to put the question, and the witiu.%s baring
refused to answer it, the Committee again direct ark
Chairman to put the question.
Mr. PLUNKETT thought the best Mode s 4. Pink
Cog the question would bit, to the witness Whet*
the texts of Scripture were ttilac found which art.
read to Orangernen.at their initiation. His own !Nina
was mlde up as to the course which ought to be'
Liken in chi, inquiry ; butte should se/1'40014e *it.'
ness were called b tclEs and heard canoe more, before
be irked the conclu:shinit teltitis he had arrived:- .1
61ftirel SAltta-tlitynet the witness should bet
fairly *visa at ntiCel in tebut,shlateT-au4 "47t
• -Palliate WA .1
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