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ever, Lord Cornwallis was recommended to fuper-
Cede Sir George Barlow, the Court of Directors gave
no oppolition, and he himfelf readily gave way to
the appointment of the Noble Marquis. Sir George
Barlow received Marquis Cornwallis with open arms,
• becaufe he knew that his appointtnent was made
merely on public grounds, and for the public good;
but when it thould appear that an appointment was
made from other motives, it cannot be expected that
it would be acquieiced info cheerfolly. Sir George
Barlow moR readily joined in all the plans introduced
by Marquis Cornwallis, both for fecuring the tran-
quillity of India, and for the retrenchments that
were to be made in the expenditure. Its (peaking on
that (object, I beg that I may not be conflicted as
giving any epinion on the condua of a Noble Marquis
(Lord Wellefley) which is now the fubjta of conver-
lotion. If, upon the appointment of Sir George Bar-
low, there was much joy and exultation, th it joy was
quite foppreffed, when, in tea little days after that ap-
pointment, Gavel 'intent intimated their with to have
him recalled. If this were done capricioufly, and with-
out fufficielit reafon, Miniders were much to blame ;
but, if it were done merely for the purpoie of feizing
the patronage of India, it was much worfe—it was a i
dicta violation of the fpirit and the meaning of the
all of Parliament. I have heard it, however, furmifed,
that in the original recommendation of Sir Gorge
Barlow, the Government never deceived the Court of
Directors, but that they told them at that time, that
the appointment was merely temporary, and liable to
be changed. This appointment, however, which failed
but ten days, would not enable him to do' any good,
while the luddennefs of his recal mull he felt by him
as a mortification and difgrace. It would have been •
a very different thing to have left him in a fobordinate
fituation, from what it was to appoint him Governor
General, and then recal him, after he had been only
ten days appointed. It certainly appeared like feme
difgrace, or as if, its the courfe of the ten days, Mini-
kes had found out fornething in his condua that
rendered him unworthy of their confidence. The
reafons would not be confined to the Cabinets of
Downing-flreet or of Leadenhall-greet, but it would
be reported through the metropolis, and the report
would reach to India, that Sir George Barlow, in
whom they had been accuflomed to repofe great
confidence, was found unworthy to retain the Govern-
ment of India. I fhould therefore now wilh that the
correfpondence on the fubjea between the Direaors
and the Board of Controul fhould be laid before the
Houle. It cannot be Paid to be a fecret ; not only the
twenty-four Directors, but their children, their wives,
their daughters, and their fervants, mutt all of them
be acquainted with the nature of this correfpondence.
—As I have no official documents to gn on, and am
obliged to refl upon reports, I mull Rate, that it is
alto reported, that the principal reafon for recalling
Sir George_ Barlow is, that it is the fyltem of the
prefentAdminiftration, that none but men of rank in
this country thould ever be appointed to the titillatian
of Governor General in India. I do not know hom
this doctrine will be relifhed by the Gentlemen in
India, who have fpcot the greater part of their lbw
in the fervice of the Company in that country, but
I think it never can be taken as a general rule of con-
duel. It the Governor General thould die in India,
it mull neceffarily follow, that he fhould be fucceeded
in the Government by the Senior of the Supreme
Council. This perfon mull, of courfe, exercile the
office of Governor General, until time fhould elapfe
fufficient to ttanimit the news of filch deceafe to
this country, and until a fuccefror fbould be *dually
appointed. It therefore appears, that on the death of a
Governor General, it happens of neeeffity that the Se-
nior of the Supreme Council will have that fituation
for a year. It will, however, be necefrary, that the
Company's fet vantsin India may know to what extent
his Majefly's Miniticrs think that confidence may be
repofed in them. It would be right that they fhould
know what fituations they might afpire to, and what
fituations they thould be for ever debarred from. It
&cold be to!cl them at once,that the whole career that
was open to them was this,thatfrom writers they might
get tobeFaiftors,and from that to be junior Merchants,
Senior Merchants, and Colleftors of the Salt Duties,
and art lye to all the other lucrative fituations of the
country, but that they mull not, in any cafe, hope to
attain to the honours of Governor General, to which
tome, who had paffed their live; in the fervice of the
Company, in the burning climate of India, might
hope to afpire. I myfelf, my Lords, have often
heard the private opinions of the Directors of the
EaR India Company, upon the fubjea of appoint-
ing none but men of great family and high rank to
the Government of India. They have always thought,
that a perfon of this delciiption, who was really dip
tinguithed for talents, and the qualities to be delired,
would be of all men the moll proper, as he would ar.
rive in India free from thole partialities in favour of
particular fervants of the Company, which might in-
terfere with the right adminittration of the country.
It would, however, appear very grange in the ears of
Lord Teignmouth, Sir Charles Daly, and many
other fervants of the Company, who had held the
bigheß fituations in India, 'o tell them, that, by the
modern fytlem, it was difcovered, that perfons of
their defeription coght not to have been placed in
the highell fituations, arid that, if they had beets in
India in modern times, they could have no preten-
lions to filch dillinfii n. This would be, indeed,
grange mufic to their cars. Upon all thefe grounds,
I conceive, I am warranted in (toting, that prima facie,
it is a inert extraordinary thing, that blinitters thould
have conceived theniftives warranted in exercifing
the power of rec.', which a claute in the Ad of
Parliament yelled in his M.rjehy. I thould with to
learn from the N, ble Secretor y (Lord Grenville),
whether the Inßrument, under the Sign Manual,
for recalling Sir George was ever fent to
Irdia ? I apprehend, that from I:,e repeal of the Corn.
million, there is now no exiiting Government in India;
and] cannot conceive in what manner the Court of
Dirceli.rs are to pri,ceed In Fla up tire vacancies in
the Supreme Council in India. It the initrument of
recat has remained for two months in the pocket of
the Noble Secretary, how arc the Court of Directors
to make out their warrant 1 It muff alto be con-
liderL d in what irritation the temporary Gorernment
that fo!..titls in India if placed. Although the trea-
ties may be concluded, the negotiations and the con-
Sequences of them may not yet beat an end. There
were probably (Lill leniaining many things which
acre molt important in the execution. By the tees.
ties which Lord Cornwallis was on the point of tic*

,cogitating, the river Jstmnah was to be ..se wen..
boundary of the Britifh poll-awns in India. Lord
Cornwallis had fent to General Lake jolts tiaions to
fix that river as the boundary of that part of the
conqu.....ed countries which the Company meant to
retain. There was, however, a aloft extenfive dif
trift of the conquered countries refpetling which the
treaty, which was lately publifhed, was entirely
filent. Whatever might be the chfpofition of them,
H.lkar and Scindiah had no right to complain; but
as Marquis Cornwallis had rcrviunced the occupation
of them, it would be a matter of the molt ferious
moment how they were to be difpofed of. They
mull be referved for fume one of the native P. mines ;
but, until it was afcertained to which of th:fe they
were to be given, India could never be confidered in
a fettled hate of tranquillity. Under thefe circum-
fiances, I declare molt folemnly, that if the perfon
appointed to the Government of India were my bro-
ther, or my neareft and cleared friend, I fliould de-
precate his appointment at the prefent time. The
Court of Diredors did not infill upon the appoint-
ment of Sir G. Barlow, in any other light than as a
temporary meafure, in confideration of the circum.
fiances of the prefent time. If therefore the perfon
who fhould be appointed would confent to delay for
fix months the gratification of his ambition, I make no
doubt but he would meet with no oppolition from the
Court of Direetors. If he fhould,however,ge out now,
and raifehis rank upon theunmeritzd difgrace of Sir G.
Barlow,he mull feel thathegoes out with the difrefped
and ill will of the Court of Direaors, and he mull midi.
der how be is likely to be received in India ? He mull
confider what effect the do trine will produce there,
that none but men of rank and title can ever hope to
attain the highefl offices in India. I can venture to
foretel that with the degradation of Sir George Bar-
low, a (*croon' who has their hearts and their confi-
dence, all the fervants of the Company of India will
feel themfelves degraded. I repeat again, that if my
brother or my nearefi friend were going to India un-
der thcfe cireumtlances,l fhould endeavour to diffuade
him from going. I fhould tell him, that even the flip-
pcntof the Board of Controul would not balance the
difgna with which his appointment would be received
by the Court of Direeors, and the fervants of the
Company in general. I fhould therefore moll fin-
cerely recommend to whoever may be appointed, to
defer for fix months the gratification of what may be
a very laudable ambition t at the expiration of that
time I have little doubt but that he may go to India
with the pedal acquiefeence of the Court of Direc-
tors, and the good will of their fervent' in India. I
have nothing more to add at prefent, and Hull coo-
elude with moving, t 11, For copies of all letters and
difpatches from the Governor General of India to
the Court of Dirdlors, rafpeffing the finances of
the Company, and the retrenchments propotcd to be
made ; and when that motion is difpofed of, I (hall
move for copies of the correfpondence between the
Board of Controul and the Court of Direflors, their
Chaitman, and Deputy Chairman, refpeeing the
recal of Sir George Barlow from his fituation as Go.
tremor General. _ _

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Lord GRENVILLE raid, it was nnneceffary for
him to enter into any argument as to the impropriety
of laying before the Houle confidential communica-
tions relative to the rtcent treaties and meafures in
contemplation in India, when the only teafonalledged
for their produCtion was, that, in the opinion of the
perfon who urged it, there was Come reafon for alarm
on account of the fituatitin of Wits ; that there was
Come ground to apprehend danger. He trained their
Lordfhips 'you'd not confider this a fufficient reafon
for the produttion of fuch confidential communica-
tions. An the contraty, before fuch papers were or-
dered to be produced, Come parliamentary ground
ought to be laid ; fame fpecial reafons, evidently well
founded, ought to be urged. None fueh were to be
found in the Noble Lord's fpeech, and it was only
towards the eoncluflon that any praflical propofition
was made : and this, after the Noble Vifcount had
deprecated, in the firongeft terms, the continuance
' of a merely temporary Government in India, was
nothing lefs than that this Government, from the*
exilic= of which he had predifted fo much evil,
fliould be Rill further continued for fix months. With
refpeft to the motion relative to the correfpondence
between the Board of Controul and the Court of Di-
reftors, he could not conceive for a moment, that
their Lordthips would fanaion the produ6inn of con-
fidential correfpondence, which muft, from the na-
ture of the cafe, turn upon the perfunal charafter
and fitnefs of individuals. If fuch a precedent was
efiablifhed, it would be impufiible for the Govern-
ment of India to be carried on. Could it be en-
dured with refpeft to the Government of this coun-
try, that confidential communications relative to the
fitnefs of individuals for any office or intereft fhoold
be laid before Parliament. No Government could
go on if loch were the cafe. The At of 1784, whe-
ther wifely or unwif:ly he would not now argue, had
eflablilhed A fyllena of checks and controul with re-
lpeft to the adminiftration of the affairs of India, by
which two bodies aged independently of each other,
but each having a check upon the other. The right
of appointment was veiled in the Court of Direftors,
but the right of recalling the Governor General, or
any of the Officers in India,was veiled in the Govern-
ment. Was it to be argued, that the right was vetted
in Government without the means of judging of the
expediency of exercifiug it, and yet the argument of
the Noble ViCcount went to this died ? He relied
himfelf upon the law, not according to the fanciful
interpretation put upon it by the Noble Vifcounr, but
according to the terms of the law itfelf, as clearly
and plainly exprelfed, arid if it was not intended by
that law to give to the Government the right of re-
calling the Governor General, or any of the Officers
civil and military in India ; then the Legiflature who
patted it had entrapped thole who had now aged
under it, by a (pecks of fraud. Minifters had acted
according to the terms of the law, and by the law
they would be judged. The Noble Vifcount had ap-
pealed to him as to the intentions of thofe who framed
that Aft, and he had a clear• and dillina recnlle&ion
of the progrefs through Parliament of that Aft, pro-
ducing as it did an important era in his life, which
had impreffed it on hi; memory. He dittinetly re-
membered that the chief ground of oppofition to the
very claufe in queflion was, that it gave an unlimit
ed right of meal to Government ; fo clearly was it
afcertained at the time, that fuch was the intent and
operation of the claufe. It was not to be argued,
that becaufe the right of appointment vetted in one
body and the right of renal in another, that therefore

Wy might a& in eonsiesiedipporition to each Piller.
I This argument might equally be applied to the Con-
Ritution of this country, where the Crown had the
right of appointment to offices, and Parliament the
right of addreiling the King to priy the removal of
perfons fo appointed. It might equally be applied
to the two Hordes of Parliament, and it might be
Paid that if they refilled to a& in concert, boffin&
could not go on, and yet the Conllitutiun of this
country had gone on for many hundred years with-
out any of thefe obflacles arifing. The Noble Vii
count had affitmed that which he (Lord Grenville).
utterly ditclaimed, that Sir George Barlow had been
recalled for the purpofe of forcing another Governor
General on the Eall India Company. He admitted
that to recal a Governor General with a view to any
private purpofe would be a violation of the fpirit of
the At I but he utterly difelaimed that any fuch
motive had in the prefent inftance aUuated his Ma.
Minillcrs. The right of Fecal relied with Go.
vcrnment by the terms of the AU, and that right
confequently became an important duty to be exer-
cifed by Minitlers in their advice to his Moiety us.
der great refponfibility. In the ezercife of that duty
many important confideratione muff come under re-
view, and it mull not be forgotten bow important •
part of the Britifh empire our pareffion in India.
formed. How nearly their profperity was conncUed
with that of this couutry, and how important it was
that thefe poffeffions lbotild be governed wjth ability.•
That a correfpondence thould take plate betwes
Minillers and the Court of Directors relpeaing the
fitnefs and unfitnefs of individual, was a perfectly na-
tural refult from their refpedlive fituatioas and their
refpeitive duties ; and Purely from the Noble Lord,
of all others, was lean to be expelled any objeflion to
the praUice of recommending to the Court of Di-
reaors perfons judged fit to govern in India. From
the time the A& paffed till the year t eica, no Gover.
nor had been fent out to Bengal or to Madras who
had not been recommended by the Noble Lord.—

That praftice had been condoned to the prerent time,
and furely would not be objefted to now. He did
not mean to blame the Noble Lord for that praftice;
if there was any blame he was ready to toke his
(hare of it. The Noble Lord had fpoken of a de-
termination on the part of Minillers to fend out only
men of rank from this country as Governor', to India.
The advantages to be derived from fending out men of
rank and talent from this country to India, who were
free from any partialities which might be fuppofed
to alloate the fervants of the Company, and who
Goe additional weight and confidence to the Briiifh
vernment in India, were obvious. This, however,
was no new determination; on the contrary, it was
one which had been repeatedly afted upon : thus,
the Marquis Wellefley, the Earl of Buckingham-
&ire' the Marquis Cornwallis' and other men of
rank and ability bad been fent thither, all of whom
had materially benefited the Britifb interefis in In-
dia. In the prefent cafe it was a matter of public
notoriety, notvrithflanding the affurnption of the
Noble Lord, that no attempt had been made to
force a Governor General upon the Eall India Com-
pany ; but that the direa contrary was the cafe.—
Two individnals had been recommended, both of
whom were high In the confidence of Government
both of whom were men of rank in this country, and
of diflingnifbed ability and talent. They had however
thefe difadvantages in the eyes of the Noble Lord,
that they were not fervants of the Company, and
that they were not recommended by that Nohle Lord
himfelf. The Noble Lord had doubted that any in-
timation had been made to the Court of Direftors,
at the time of recommending Sir George Barlow,
that it wasnot intended to retain him in the fituation
of Governor General; bqt the raft was, that fuch an
intimation was made at that time. Sir Geotge
Barlow was. in a fimilar fituation at the depar-
ture of the Marquis Weltefley, and until the arrival
of the Marquis Cornwallis ; but then he had bees
previoufly appointed provifionally Governor Gene-
ral, in the event of the death or departure of the
Marquis Wellefley. By a culpable neglea, howe-
ver, on the part of the late Adminiftratico, no loch
• provifion was made on fending to India the Marquis
Cornwallis ; and though it was evident to every one
who knew that Noble Lord, how much his health
was impaired previoua to his felting out ; and
-though it was fcarcely fuppofed, from the enfeebled
Hate of his conftitution, that he could live to arrive
in India,
.yet no provifional appointment was made
of a Governor General to aft in cafe of that melan-
choly event happening, which was forefeen by every
'one. Thus it was, that within twenty four hours after
Minillers had killed his Majefty's hand on receir
iog their appointmentr„ they received two molt af-
(Ming pieces of intelligence ; the firfi, the death of
the Marquis Cornwallis, and lhe other, that, through
the negleCt of their predeceffors, then, was aftually
no Governor General in India. Sir George Barlow
fucceeded of comic, as the fecond in Council, but
without thole powers which were fo neceffary to the
Britith Government in India, and which could only
veil in a Governor General. Thus fituated, not an
hour was to be 101 l in appointing a Governor Gene-
ral, but to nominate one in whom they could place
entire confidence, and on whole ability and talent
they could rely, was a work of deliberation. Nothing
elle, therefore, could be done at that moment, than
to appoint S:r George Barlow Governor General pro
tempore, and the appointment was difpatched with
every panic expedition to India. The appoint-
ment, however, was not intended to be permanent.
and it was fo intimated. He did not mean to ar-
raign the condufl of Sir George Barlow; that Gen-
tleman, on the contrary, had his etteem for the aaive
co-operation which he afforded to the meafures of
Lord Wellefley, during the brilliant and glorious Go-
vernment of that Nobleman. In his judgment, the
Government of the Marquis Wellefley added ludre to
the Britlfh name, and was molt advantageous to the
Britifh interelis in India. Some perfnns had arraign.
ed the rondo& of that Nobleman with great feverity;
he did not mean to cenfure them for holding fuch an
opinion, but, at the fame time, he claimed the right
°I forming an opinion himfcit—that opinion he had
exprefred, and to that he adhered. NVith reipee to
the mai of Sir Geroge Berh.w, their Lordfhips
might imagine reatims which would render fuch a
meafure neceff try : Ile lhotild not fate the reafon,
which induced it. The Noble Lord had contended
in efFeet that no Governor Geoeral ought to be recal
led, unlela for criminality in his own cunduft, but
had contrntiieled this by his omn argument. The
Noble Lord bad put Cuppclci c fcs ut the Court of

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Directors in hoftility with Government appointing the
Archbifhop of Canterbury, and afterwards the Chief
fildice of England. Suppoling fuch cafes to exift,
what motives would operate in the recal of thofe per.
fonages, certainly not criminality in their conduft,
but motives of policy and expediency. Such motives
mud always operate in dictating the recal of a Go-
vernor General of India ; filch motives midi operate
in the appointment of bis fuccefor, whilft Minifters
executed the duty impofed upon them by the Ad,
under the rerponfibility of their fituations. There
were Come parts of the Noble Lord's fpeech, which,
unintentionally no doubt, tended in died to weaken
the cordial so.eperation which ought to rubfift be-
tween Government and the Court of Directors ; and
other parts of his fpeech, which, doubtlefs without in-
tention on his part, tended to weaken the confidence
of the native powers in India, in the Britifii Govern.
runt. Upon there, however, ie (Could make no other
comment. The Noble Lord had eftablinted no ground
for granting the papers which he had moved for,nor
could he conceive that their Lordltrips would trent
to propofitions of loch a nature. That a confidential
correfpoodence between Government and the Court
of Directors, neceffarily involving. a difcuffion of the
perfonal charaders and qualifications of individuals,
fhould be made the fubjed of public difcuffion in that
Houk, was a propofition to which he was convinced
their Lordfhips would never agree, nor did it appear
that the flighted benefit could be derived from any
part of the public dikuffion which the Noble Lord
urged to be necefary. With this view of the fubjeft,
he mutt. f courfe decidedly objed to the produftion
of the papers moved fer by the Noble Lord.
Lord H-AWKESBURY fupported the motion of
the Noble Vifcount. He did not fo, however, folely
on the ground of the recal of Sir G. Barlow, but
from the circumftance, that aot more than ten days
had intervened between the time of his appointment
and that of his recal.

Lord MINTO Sheaved that no detriment to the
affairs of the Company could *rife from this circum-
Ranee. the ope Government exiling whole and en-
tire till another was appointed in its place.
Lord ELDON fupported the Motion, while he at
the fame time admitted, that no comnaiffion or war-
rant in favour of any Governor or other Officer could
begin to operate till it arrived in India.
The Earl of BUCKINGHAMSHIRE recalled to
ttherecolleftionof the NobleVifc3unt the period when,
during his Adminiftration, the Noble Earl, then Lord
Hobart, had been Governor of Madras. As fuch
be might have been confidered as one of the Com-
pany's Servants, but .he prefumed to think, that
though removed by the Noble Vitcount. he did con-
tinue, and would have continued to do his duty till
a fuccefor was appointed to him.
Lord MELVILLE juflified himfelf from the.
charge made upon, him by the Noble Earl, and at-
ferted that in recommending perfons to the office of
Governor General of India, he had always been in.
&termed in cis choice by a regard for the interefts of
the Company. He recommended fometimes from
the Company's fetvants, fometimes from eminent
perfons at home, according to his ideas of their ca-
pability of promoting the interells of the Company.
Knitters might refute him the papers he required,
but it was impollible the fublance of the correfpon-
dence between the Dircaors and the Board of Cori-
trout Ihuald always remain concealed ; it would
tranfpire at Come time.. He bad his futpicions, and
if any thing Should hereafter occur to jullify them.
he would tike an opportunity of fubmitting them tp
the Houle. He would conclude what he Fad to fa}
by one plain queition. For what purpofe was the
warran.t fox vacating the appointment of Governor
General kept in the pocket of a Noble Lord, except
to influence the Directors in their choice of a fue-
ceffiq !
Lntd ELLENBOROUGH maintained, that war.
rants were not ordinarily given, for the purple of
being immediately put in cremation. He ifluttrated
this petition by referring to the commidlon under
which he acted in a neighbouring country, and to the
appointment of Lords Lieutenant of Ireland. The
latter were often'accuttomed to receive their appoint-
ments, and to take the oaths of office many weeks
before they,a6led uhds-- them.
Lord REDESDALE confidered the Al which
gave rife to the preterit debate, to be au improvident
esercife of the power which is veiled is his Majelly's
Minitlers.

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The LORD CHANCELLOR left the Woolink,
and etpreffed his furprife at the violent Strain that
had been adopted. The former objection was, that
an interregnum stifled, the preterit okieetion lay
againtt the Means that had been retorted to to prevent
that igterregnuin. (Hear bear!) The conttru4lion
put upon the flame by the Noble Lords who fup-
ported the motion, inßead of tending to the fecurity
of oar diflant Government, teemed only to perplex
men's minds, and was founded on a quibble. The
King had unqueftionahly the power of recalling a Go-
vernor General ; but the appointment was vetted, for
good purpofes, in the Great Corporation. The war-
rant of recal was to be communicated to the Court of
Directors in eight days, and here was an interregnum
without any objection being made to it. The Direc-
tors had two months to appoint another, a (pace of
interregnum to which no objection was made ; and
yet the Government in that cafe mull be contemplat.
ing the event of the appointment of a fuccelTor. It
was moll defirable that the Governor going out
thould carry with him the order for the recal of the
former one. He had encoded to the Noble Vifcount
throughout, and tl•ought that he nibbled at the pre-
rogative given to his hlajetly by the Aft. 11t judg-
ing of the meaning of the Ad, it ought to be collected
from its obvious import, and not by lubllituting
quibbles for the fair corillrußiun of the Ad. (Hear,
bear To underfland the Al, the Noble and
Learned Lord Should confider the fpirit of it ; to look
at the time when his Majelty got the prerogative, and
at the time when he had it not ; to regard the Refo-
lutiun of the Houk of Commons upon which it was
founded. It was rather too late to read Such leaures
in that Houle—Otter, /,.2r !) His Majefly's advifers
were undoubtedly retponlible for the curdle of this
prerogative as well as every other. But it did not
follow, becaufe they thought fit to advde his Mikity
to remove any officer, fuppofe to take the feels from
him, that they ought to lay the grounds upon which
they ailed before that Houle, ur that the Houle
could call for them. Many things had been Stared
in the coarfe of the night of a dangerous tendency. In
:drawing the character of Sir George Barlow, the


ZWUni 4.0n1a Amu :Tama, gnat ne yielded to Marquis
Cornwallis, but that he might not be fo well difpnfed,
in the prefent inflance. This went the length of
eflablifhing the principle, that the Governors of diftant
provinces might raife a rebellion, if they lbould not
approve of their fuceeffors. The chflant poffeffiuns
were the mortal part of every power ; and in thefe
times, when fn many Thrones, and States, and
Powers. had pallid, it was dangerous to countenance
(Itch doetriner.
Lord ELDON obfer red in reply, that there would
have been no difficulty in framing the warrant to as
to avoid the inconvenience of an interregnum. If an
illegal Agumption of power was to be denominated
from the wnolfack a conundrum or quibble, he would
feel, it incumbent on himfelf to bring that principle
in fume fpecifie form bef .re the Houfe.
Earl ROSSLYN Paid ar, few words againfl the
Motions.
The Qteflion was put on each, but their Lnrdfhips
did nor divide, and the Motions were negatived.—
Adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Gordon. Divorce Bill was committed. Witneffes were exa-
mined, and the Report received without amendments.
Sir JOHN SINCLAIR brought up a Bill for making a harbour
at Wick, in Calthnefs; a Bill for Boilding new Excheq.i.r Cham-
bers in Rdinburgh ; a Bill for Building a Lunatic Afylum there;
and a Bill for Making and Repairing Canals, Stc. &e. in Scotland,
the eapeners °rail which were to be difch •rged out oldie baloney*
of the forkited litotes in Stotland—Read a fiat and of dated to
be re d a fecond time to.morrow.
The Weftminfter Hall Bill, and the Pottage Bill, were read a
third time and naffed
The Malt Aft Amen Intent Bill was brought in, read a ilrff sad
ordered to be read a fecund time to-morrow.
Sir JOHN SINCLAIR brought up the Stage Coach Ads
Amendment Bill—Read a fief and ordered to be read a [second
time on Thurfday.
The Accountant General's Clerks' Allowance Bill was read a
fecund time, and ordered to be committee! to-morrow.
The Greenwich Holpital Bid. at...! the Greenwich Chelt Bill,
were read a third time, and, after eludes had been added for al.
lowing to the Hofpital and Cited. a per onstage on that &ohs of
the Admiralty, by way of riders, pared.
Oa the motion of Mr. ROBSON. the Memorial of Mr. rohu
Pritchard, prdented to the Commitaoners of Military Inquiry,
and laid before the Houle, was ordered to be printed.
The Bill for regulating the Rank of the Odious of the Yeo-
manry and Volunteer Corps was brought in, read a tuft, and or-
dered to be read a fecond time to-morrow,
Mr. W. SMITH gave notice that ha would, on Friday nest,
move for an Account of all Ofllem held by the different branches
of the Royal Family. together with toe Wades arifing from each.
The Bankrupt Laws Ameminieeit Bill was reported, and order-
ed to be read a third time tomsorrow.
The Report of the Committee on the American Timber Adts
was brought op .-attefolutions agreed to
A hieffiege froffi the Luria announced their arctic to the Lou-
don Port Improvement Bill, and others.

Mr WINDHAM moved for leave to bring in ■ Bill for rrgu•
biting the Rana of Volunteer tnd Yeomanry 011icm Leave given
. The Linter, Bill was read a Bra. and ordered to be read a fa-
med rime to-morrow.
.O, LIES LCD WAYS Al4O MEANS.

The Report *ldle Committee of Supply rtl+•ive to the Vo•e of
Ciedk of a. 4 0.0 oL was brnuabt up. Alio the Report of the
Committee of Ways and Mean. relari• to the Three Millions and
It Half Out of the furpfus the Cnnfolida•ed fond. were brought
tsp, Refolutiews agreed to, and Rills ordered accordingly.
CLZROT

Mr. FELLOW/SS Movedareirri of the Non.rtfident Clergy.
The Hon. Gentleman .tated the noteiGty of a enrredt return, and
Obferved, that with Yelped to Ireland the returns were correet.—
He lamented however. that the panne:sin that kingdom Itiould be
confolidated. There were not !eh than is pennies in one county
eonfobditted into one. A great deal might be done towards ame-
liorating the condition of the inferior Clergy, which he was anal,
otts to have effeeted. He withal the lath Ads relating to dilapi-
dation, the glebe lands, &e. in be taken luto conftdnratlon, as a
means to obtain his with. He then moved tr a return or re-
turns of the Nuts raDdent Clergy. with their names, lte. as laid
before the Privy Council by the Archhifhops."— Ordered.
INSOLVENT DEBTORS.

On the motion of Mr. CO URtENEY, the Haute wen- Into a
Committee en the Bill for the Relief of Inkivent Dtbrort.
Some verbal arnaidments were proptiod by Mr. CARR, and
agreed to
Mr. tierfeant BEST propofed a deaf; to the following effcd:
o That all bankrupts, who had not been able to obtain their mr-
tifieates, through the caprice or °billowy of their creditors or
others, and had been actually la pelt :n, or liable to furrender to
their bail. Once the IR of February, 13)6, and who made idlide.
vit and gave proof that they had fairly conformed to all the in.
Junctions of the Bankrupt Laws, may be allowed to be difcharged
Ay a Judge, and have their certificates made valid, at the direretion
of tht Lord Chancellor." •
Mr. PIRCIVAL was apprehentive the claufe could not be en.
grafted on the Bill. He rather thought his Hon. Friend Mould
have moved an infirm:lion to the Committee to allow the dank to
he brought up. He was not aware of iu being Introduced
Mr Serjeant BEST declared, that he was far from having any
intention to take the .Houfe by furprife; and, as be Mould have a
future opportunity of propofing it in another nage, agreed to with-
draw It for the pretest.
Mr. CARR propotcd a claufe for obliging the debtors, meaning
to take the benefit or this at, to terve norce of their intention. at
the refidenee of the law agents of their creditors, This. he fold,
was rendered neecliaty by the trick of f mit debtors, in there cir-
cumrtances, removing thenifelves, by Neckar Corps', from one
gaol to another, and by that means creeping the notice of their
creditors
Mr. MORRIS cormaered this chute u tending to defeat the
whole oiled of the at. The notices required. could only be
raved by agents, who mita be well paid for their troublrt, and
come back again to prove that the fervice was effcfled and it
would Neely be impartible for unfortunate then, in intnirent cir-
comftanco., to Caddie thenaelves with expellees, out of their posirer .
in many initances to pay.
Mr. CARR fsidethat whatewr propotrions he mi;ht have been
Induced to make, in regard to this Bill, he was not a mot of .n
obdurate and cruel difpofition ; but being consivc,..l, that (or or e
hard-hearted creditor, there were many unfecl:ng debtor., Le felt
the necerSty of I uporing tome checks upon thole ads winch were
6 frequently brought forward.
Mr Alderman PRINiEY, and Sir H. MiLDMAY, (poke in
favour of the chute, and the LORD ADVOCATE of Scotland
&gelid It. Alter which It was negatived without a divifion; and
the report ordaed to be received to-morrow.
PILIVILIOLS 01 1141 NOUSI.

Mr. BANKS brooght up the report of the Committee on the
conference with the Lord., on the examioation of Lord leign
mouth before that Haute; which fisted, that they had proceeded
to Windt the Journals, and found no precedent in point, but that
ui the enemitlitio4l of lord Balearras. before the lioure Lord
Palter'''. was lit the fn... predicament with Lord Teiginnoutli, a
cr. hut not a Peer of Patti unt 'lt, 'let entitled to bt In the Houk
of Lot ele. The former .dinied to the els mination, notwit hltatni•
ing which, It was tabcah .1 he Committee determined that the
Baulk of C.smir.o.sta had a tight to proceed upon filch czars:dna-
clonal and that they would ~ot depart (ran their right to casnaloe
auy Lord of Parliament; and that It the lsordaheld the contrary,
it would infringe upon the privaltges of that Hoak, and ointeuet
the regular and proper mode of proceeding,—.l'his report was or-
dered to be taken into further coadideradon to-morrow.
1111 STARE IN CHANCERY, CLERICS, &C.

The MASTER of the ROLLS brought in a Bill to regulate the
fees "(Sworn Claka aid Solicitors it. Chancery, which W 2.1 read
a Ent time, and ordered furs feeond reading tomorrow, abd to
L printed...nig Learned Gentleman moved the fecund reading
of the Matter• In Chancery Allowance Bill.
lair. WILLIAM SMITH th,.,i,d)t it Roukl be undcrftood that
acre allowances same out of the public purfe, as be believed the
'funds frost wl.:cb they were to be paid were appropriated to pub.
Uc parpofes, fuels as new buildings for the Court of Chancery.
MASTER of the ROLLS laid, that et 'vainly if the allow.
awes were not saes our of the fidzor.' fund they stun came out
of the cootondaud fund.
Mr. Tyavnur JONES bad no ohjedion to reward liberally
eld ft:Tants. U his lufarrutiod vru come, the wads which bad

6sen aliudsti to wee entinobiti. He hoped, therefore. the Learned
Gentlemur would have no ohjettition to ids'preptifing that the
mimes of the perk's* to whom the monism belting, Mall he
in th. lame manner u the unclaimed Dividend.
1 be Vt as rim of the ROI.LS ohferved, that Inch a pmpnfition
had nothing to do with this MIIL It was for the
tl :man to ad at he thought proper with refped to The fund. rite
bill was then read a fccond time, sod conunitted for to•mortow.

ROYAL FAMILY.
Mr. HOBHOUSE brought up the Report of the
Committee on the Meffage for making provifton for
the junior blanche. of the Royal Family.
Mr. RIDLEY COLBORNE role 'to make a few
obfcrvations on the nature of the Grants which the
Refitlotions contained. He thought the Houle
fhoold inure, before they voted AMA; fuch large funs
of the public money at a period of fuch peculiar dif-
ficulty. Some of the Royal Dukes were already in
poffedion of regiments, and emoluments arifing from
Various offices, and therefore there was the lel; owes-
fion for thi. addition to their income. He did not
allude to all the grants, fume of them might be very
proper, and that to her Royal Highnefs the Duchef.
of Gloucester lie confidered as too fmall; but he
thought the emoluments which different branch:3 of
the Royal Family derived froth offices Which they
held, &arid be taken into account.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
did full juaice to the motives of public ceconomy by
Which his Honourable Friend wa• anuated, but cer-
tainly when he had better confidercd the fillip& and
eiatnined the liatement which lie (the Chancelltit of
,the ExcLequer) had made on a former occalion; he
, would pe'iceive that this grant was real y nothing
more than was nectffary. In addition to that, how.
ever, it was to be confidered that the claims on the
Civil Lilt had been withdrawn, as alfo the allowance
for the tables of fume of the Princes.
Mr. ROSE laid that the No' lc Lord might have
adverted to the precedents of the late Dukes of Gino-
'celler and Cumberland ; and as to the all.w.ince for
Rangerthip., we were n,.t to confider thefe contin-
gencies in providing f w the Royal Family.
The Refolniions were then agreed tn, and Bills or.
dered on the first four, the others being underaood to
go again to the Committee of Supply for fume al-
terations.

AM BRIM. INTIRCOVIIIII.
Lord TEMPLE moved tbs third tending of the
American Inre.e.otrfe Bill

Sir CHARLES fßiCE.exprelfid his decided op-
pofitino to the Bid. He had canverfed with the moll
eminent 974 India Merchants, on this hnfinefs, and
was as mach acquainted with the (hipping intereft of
the country as any one man in the Houle, and all
were aver& to it. It would materially injure the
Canada trade. Such intereas certainly deferred that
an examination fhnuld hate taken place up pairs.
He regretted the &Vence of a Right Hon. Secretary
of Slate (MI. Fox) who had expreffed his difappro-
b•tion of a limiter Bill in 1785, and whole fentiments
he could not fuppole were altered now. The Ame-
rican mercliahts had Hated to him as a fad, that one•
third, perhaps one half of the feamen, navigating
American veifels were Britith fuhjeds. Government
would have been better employed in examining into
this, than hi bringing forward fuch a merfiire as the
prefenr. He was well difpnfed to the Executive Go.
verninent, but could not abandon the interefis of his
Constituents. He concluded by moving, that the
word " now" he left out, for the purpofe of inferting
"this day three months."
Mr. BRO DERICK feconded the amendment, and
charaderifed the Bill as unjuft, unreafonable, and
impolitic.
Mr. STURGES BOURNE adverted to the late.l
nets of the period of the fclll as„ and the thinnels of the
Houle, and infilled upon the impropriety of pairing a
Bill of fuch importance under fuch eircumilances.—
Minifters had oppofed a delay of tour days. that
might allow an examination up !lairs, and yet the
Bill had now been in the Houle two months. The
olsjed of the Bill was to furpend the Navizati ,n Laws
fyllematically, during the war, and the übjraion to it
was, that it transferred the power from the Gover-
nors, who mull, from their fituation, be better able
to decide on the necellity of the CAVCS, to Mininerh,
who might permit when it was not neceffary, and re•
fafe when it was indifpenfible. The Right H• n. Se-
cretary over the way (Mr. Windham) had taken upon
hindelfto Mite an order on this fubjc.ll, which was a
flagrant violation of the Navigation Laws, and now
infleed of bringing in a Bill to indemnity Mullett.,
hlch he ought to da, he was fupporririg a Bill for
fandioning loch violations for the future. This Bill
was certainly calculated to diminifh the (hipping of
the country, and to dilcourage the trade of our
Not th Ante' icen colonies. It was calculated to yen-
der this country dependent on America, which would
give the latter country a great advantage in cafe of
a war, for which the bulk of the population of Ame
rice teemed well slit-pored. If, however, he might
judge from what appeared in the Minitlerial Prints,
there would be no war while we had a conceffion to
make ; but of all moments this was the worn for
conceftion. He cottcluded by declaring, that he
would lupport the amendment.

Mr. MAINWARING confidered the (Hence of
Mini!lets on the prefent occation,notwithflanding all
that had been fatd againt the Bill, as an infult to
the Houfe and the country. He declared, however,
that it was riot his with to attack men, but mealui es,
and proceeded to enlarge on the importance of our
Weft li.dia Viands, as contributing to the wealth and
profperity.of the country. He then concluded with
expretßug his expectation, that a debate of In much
importance would not be gone through in the inde-
corous manner in which the Houle had babel to wit-
ne9ed.
Sir WM. YOUNG maintained that an occasional
relaxation. and paricularly is time of wet, had
been found materially beneficial to our commerce,
and cnnfequently to our revenue. He deprecated the
idea of any experiment in favour of the views of mer-
cantile !peculators, which put to risk the lives of
600,000 petfuns employed hi the cultivation of our
Colonies.

Lord DE BLAQIJIERE oppofed the Bill. Its
tendency, if not it. objea, he contended, to be to
make conceiGon to the Americans, who bad lately
done every thing but (pit in our face. He eatutoned
the young men by whom this Bill was introduced,
not to frrt with chefs Navigation Laws, which bad
contributed fo much to the ettablithinent, and were fo
efential to the maintenanee of our maritime greatoef.
Lord TEMPLE argued that the neceffity for this
meafure mutt be admitted by every man who fully
confidered the fubjeas and it plopored to do soiling

.1 moro,than to fin/lion, when nectffity.eolled for it,
• that fyftem for the future which had been illegally.
done for the lskthirteen years. H ; denied that the
partial interelled had not been allowed the fullelt op
portunity of flitting their cafe to the Honk. For it
mutt be recolletted, that they themfelve6 declined to
he heard by Coun.el at the bar, although the minion
for the purpore wa> originally agreed to. In anfwer
to the affertion, that the B. itifh merchants were trite
competent to fapplt our colonies proviiimak, Etc..
he would only alt, how crone it that foe the 141
thirteen years they hid nor been able to do fir, and'
that the colonies we:e under the indifpenfable tie•
caty of reforting to America fa, there Articles ?
perience had fufficiently (hewn the fallacy of this
affertion.
Lord CASTLEREAGH (aid. hewasmueh sflonillsed.that during
all the rlU:uffiona on this meafure, none of his ?loge ty's itters
had condcferniled to d.iiver th,.ir oplntin on it. or had even laid
one word on the fubjcd, except a Illeat Hon. Gentleman (\lr.
Fos) who did not enter Into the principle. All the Acts
and all the orders in Council amide with rcfped to the ftip;,iy of
the Welt Indies from America, were cal:allied not to in tri—,e the
Naviga:ton Arta in a gloater extent than was ablidutely thc:fr,ry
The Adt paffed tylltf Untired the arei.les imp•irt, d, to Ca'll, wo-
ol:ions and lumber, and air° provided that !hey be carried
in Britith (hips, and the orders in Couticil bad mi egtal tendency.
With refir,dt to the policy of relaxing the Navigation 4Rs, It be.
Lames in Lis opinion, a quelllon of peace policy, and not of war,
merely 41 It would be extrentely nary, without t kb,g much hem
our nava hrengrh, to allow a convoy to the gads engaged in the
trade. 'f be Noble Lord then adverted to our prefeest litustrusa.
with refve R to America; and Paid, that any country who read this
bill, would Le a pabllanims us Intention in hi. IVlajeßy's Gotincitt
and veers foppoging they were not inclined before,. It ivoild more
them to thee every advantage, and 'to Make any &muds which
might he aloft to their advantage. This was cot a Hitt he raid,
to (apply the Weft Indies with flees-Miles, but to abrogate the
navlzat loc.
1 he CHANCEI LOR of the EXCHEQUER conceived the
greater part ut the obfervations which the Hourc had heard from
the Noble I.ord who ha (poke lalL and others on the tame fide,
quite inapplicable to this fubjed, with which the general argu-
ments a lout the Navigation Law, and pamphlets out of doors,
had no fiat of ennnedien. The only oiled ut till. meafure was
prevlottE/ to legalize a courfe of proceeding w:iieh heretofore had
been illegally purcaed. And when Gentlemen called fuck a mew-
lure new and monarous, they appeared to forget their own eels;
hut particularly to keep nut of vie* the propulition of t bid r iricnd
Mr. Pia in the year 1783—which went much further than this
Mil. For that priaporition would gr.nt the lee uurt (trained corn.
merce of American (hips with our colonies, and the interchange of
all articles of the growth and mmiufatture of each. And yet file
meafure before tie Houfe was termed quite new and ex:raordi•
nary. the Noble lord bad heard of an illicit enjoyment, where,
accord ingto the Poet.

`• Tate glowing guilt exalts the keen delight."
But hchad never heard before this night that it would be more
grateful to purfue a conom,ree in direct violation of law, than to
give it A legal fandion, and that it would be more agreeable to the
Bela& ip Owners to have a power vetted it, the Or:manors of
the abed' abroad, who might be influenced, who might be cor-
rupted is adopt arrangements to their prejudice, than to have the
fame power transferred to. the Privy Coum.cll at home. to whom
theft erg owners might communicate any ftatements they might
have to make, and from tyhom they w mid be always fore to meet
the fulleft attention. flue (hailer powers of fufpending the laws,
where iseceflity called Inc it, was veiled by Parliament in the
Privy CoMicil, the Noble Lord (hewed, by referring to the Ads.
of the 34th and 3rth of the prefent King, relative to the cafe.
M.ts IER of the P.OLLS raid, that by the comprehenfive
'energy of two [bort lines of his Bill, It was proofed to lvecep
airay the whole body of our Navigation Law and Colonial Sylteni.
The CHANCELLOR of the FXClribtlilliit explained.
The A' rroRNLY Oh N eAk AL ably vindicated the priuciple
Of the till, and the folicitude of the authors for the maintenance
of the Navigation Law.

Mr. PEIZCEVAL replied. at confiderable length, in oppolition
to this UM, and contended, that neither the Noble Lord who in
troduced it. nor thole who fuppc.rted it, really unticrritood it; for
that it did not merely, as they had alledged, open to the Ameri-
cans the advantages of our Navigation Laws, with reined to the
ftlimighing our Weft India Mande with prow-Mons and other pro-
duce and trianufadture, hot that It opened the fame privile,e to all
neutral (hies of all nations whatever.
M. WINDHAM eor.ccived that ii was totally unneceffary t hid
his.Majelti's Nlinifters &mild rile f.rirriw to anfwer argume.is
which had been fo repeatedly advanced and overturned. I: a Bill
of Indemnity, however hail been fpoken of, It wan not the time
todeflre that yet, fnmettibig mull be done firit, and when that
time did arrive, he should hope ils.it the Houfe would indulge ti:in
Cu RP a. to fay, that they did not fee the neceffity of it until hart
t....amden earn, fiwward to afk fur bin indemnity for pur ueo
a nearly finlike tine f condudi.
Mi. Aleck again Intl:h./that the prefent meafure would be a
grolk hifradloo of the Navigation Laws.
The C.bvltion wan very generally called for, and the Hnufe di-
videil-4or the sherd reading, Es —Agaitilt it, 3o—Majority,; t.
Pr ',Sous to the paffing of the Bill, Mr. PRINCEP brought up
hit promilert Clanks, which, after fume alteration, were adopted,
and added by way or rider to the Bill, afte.- which the Bill paired.
1:1 wit ordered to the Lords.—Adjourned at three o'clo.k (this
morna.g ) 1

THE VENInG ST4II.

LONDON.

WEDNESDAY. JULY 9.
PRICE OF STOCKS THI3 I ‘A Y AT ONE O'CLOCK.
3 p.n. Cent. C,.nfols, opt. 63t;—ItcdutA 6at —Omnium
kachtvicr Bills, par ts. pran —lndia Bonds is. to a . dif.

This day arrived Mail► from New York and Ha
lifax, brought to Falmouth by the Carteret packet
in eighteen days from Halifax, and thirty from Nem
York. She left the Lord Hobart packet lyirg at the
latter place.

The intelligence in the American papers lah re-
ceived, which hated that Captain Warrer of
LIIANDiII had been put under arrefl by Capt. 131-RIS
FORD, the Commard,ng Officer on the Halifax fla.
Lion, tarns out, as me expeCted it would, unfounded.
The Leastovit fitiied from Halifax a few days before
the Cal teret to crittze apoin off New York.
Tt:e hatred of the lower orders of the Americans
againh the Britifh has been worked up to *high pitch.
On the arrival of the Lord Hobart packet at New
York a Nivel was tired at her from a wharf, but
fortunately it did no injury. The perpetr.:tors, got
out of the way, and we do rot find th.,t much
genet was tried to difcnver oho they were.

Before the Cryterer lett ILtlitax feveral rich prizes
had been ctrrued in there. The prizes were fhips
from the Span& Main, with a confider.:lsle quantity
of fpecie on board.

A Gottenburgh Mail arrived yefterday afternoon,
hot brought no intelligence of impertance. It sat,
the general opinion in Sweden, that the mediaricr•
offered by the Emperor Absiramote had been rejedl-
ed. The blockade of the ?ruffian parts Rill continued.
The Hamtlargb Correheadent of the ill init. has becn
received by a private coat ncl. Ile only intimation
it furnithes is, that M. IrOusati. had not fir off tr
Paris, as wa:. es/leered ; but a. laid to be on th,
eve of departure for avien, where be intended to rt-
main fume Liam for the Waal of Ms health.