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I4toile as if they pep givlitg At
faneitin Of an oath, and liable SO they
nahies of perjury. For this reafon be waeßf @plasm
it 'Wonld istik be unadvifable to adopt the &gee
although at the fame time be would confers he Iffw
no abfolute nueffity for intrOducing it.
Hii RaYa/ Highoefs the' Duke of CLARENCE
did not mean to trouble their Lordthips at any
length. He fully coincided with the Noble .Marquis
in the objeftions fisted by bits spina the clanfeo u
well ap with a near relative of his, in every thing which
had fallen from him, except that put of his fpeech
in which be expreffed his approUtion of the geoetal
cnndua of his Majefiyis Minifiers. (A /gab.) In
the foreign fervice corporal punithment was indifted
by the authority of the of ; and in the nasal fervice•
with which he was bell acquainted, the commander of
*Gip was inyefied with the power of can pun&
meat, to a certain extent. to be infiieed, without
' the interyestfon of a Court-Mahial. Cafes may occur
in which extreme danger and inconvenience may re-•
Cult frOm fubn:itting the proteediogs of a Regimental
Court-Martial to the fulemoity clan oath. Supple
an army in the field, and ttrentf. or thirty fellows
drunk upon a piquet, upon the name of which
the fafety of the whole depended,' wield it be for the
benefit of example, or the ntaintenanos of difciilline,
that the ponithment of chore tilt:edge fhonld be de•
ferred uthil a Regimental Cop hlictebixt*ttial could be *A
fembled ? There was hnotber whiCh he b 44
tithe clank, and that was, tha it Would operates&
an encouragement to perjury, gad be put It tefth*
confciences Ktbe Reverend and Learned. Prelates Oil
the oppofite benches, whether they would with to
multiply offences ?
Lord MU,LGRAITE felt himfelf ender the tweet.
MY of difagreeing With the. Noble Marquis, and two
illuftrious Dulei*who had fpoken againft the claufe.
wouldl not forest that' any of chafe inconveniences
arife from adopting it which they teemed to
tepee, As to the general policy of the mature,
there was no doubt upon his mind that it would be
advantageous in its operation, and not in the leaft
, detrimethal to the difciplioe of the army. As tithe
oblation of the Noble Marquis, that to carry the
chafe into effect, 'a perfon the nathre of a Judge
Advocate would be necefary, and that the procea
ings mnft be taken dolman begged leave to remind.
him that they were always fo: 'The fentence oft re.
gimental Court Martial required to be confirmed by
the Commanding
.officer, and how could he either
annul or confirm it, if all the proceedings were not
fairly before him ? Nay, even in the extreme cafes
of thorn-head courts Mutial, it was not unufual to
have all the proceedings reduced to writing, and if
there were cafes in which it was not fo, he was fore it
out to have been done. The objedion of the Royal
Duke, that he was fearful the claufe tended more to
fe verity than leniency, was one which did hOnour to
heave;his but in anfwer to this he would fay, that
, when the whole of the proceedings were reduced to
writg,l'when all the queftions and anfwers were re.
gguulhsrrlly taken dawn,. whatever miftating circuit.
ittnees'ilfsfe Wire mule appear, and would
eobfe-
quendy be taken into eenf4eration by the officer to
whom the Ratak fkould be fubraitted for approba-
tion. Tkpoiat akoilthiCh' another illations Duke
had fo emphatically `appealed to the Reverend and
Learned Lords near blii, 'was. one upon which be
could by- no means agree'vrillf him• in the inference
which he writhed to deduce fromli: The forceof the
illuErfous Duke's argument, upon that ohjetion,
teemed to amount to this : 'WWI'• amen gave their
teftinsony without the fanalon of an oath, they will
tell truth, but the moment you conibel (heti to give
it under that obligation, they will adhere to truth no,
longer'; and therefore the illuftridui Dulle tally Orin
theß =eh of Bifbops, in fait, to alialith oaths.iltoge-
ther: For Winn* part; he thoUght.the chore' use*.
ceptioniblew and highly necetary, and therefore it
could have his hearty concurrence. •
The Dolts of CUMBERLAND, LordHAWKES.
BUM: and the' puke of CLARENCE fevaaßY
explained. • • - ' . •
On the Tullio: that this chafe do Rand part of
the Bill, the lioufe'divited, •
32--Xowcontents, le—Majority, 9.
The other claufes were then gime through, and the
Bill was reported without the amendment. •
• Adjourned till this day. • • -

I'

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Mr. joss kliss a. kora the SenvOrt Or far Ir.'
hod, prefintal, perfects to order, as Aeons* of Nosaber
and Tamil, al Vat* the lird entered the Ports of Reload dOr-
lag left yew. width were ordered to ile es the tahk.
spits* t
Sir J. STEWART pointed he Coro Ad of left hi a Pctithis fres Ceps: of Fitt.m
. Cahoot BAGWELL hear* to a BM tomcod so Ad ads
ppth of ithftlajeity, for regehaisti lionises to Irelsodjo far as
relates to Freelseldov.whkh was rood a Ara doe. and ordered to
aeredifils RD pave sake, that es Moiday ant be weight
wove so leqtairy ral
toto tbkls of the Grand dog irdesd.
The for
CHANCELLOR die EXCHEQUER pretested an
Amiss tithe Civil Lift Revenue, which was ordered to lie so
the Table.

The Mutes Metier lIM, aM the Sept Drawback 1W were
family peed db./evil a Casupte, a$ wawa babe icrettel

Mr. WILBERIPORCE moved, That there be 1.14 bereft the
Heife as Amemot at the Mosher of Ships mod eh& Teataage.
that hays MLA hoot Africa so the Edda Weft Who Cobalt%
from the sth of imams rata, to the Weft period to vrhieh the
rime am be moue ovt.misiber with the MEM= et threes *Ma
atm had an beard, sad Ow ampoot d thole which were re-mon-
ad from the Weft lode Ihroda.-Ordered.

AW• sa Account of the Iteakee et Ships that have clewed oar
trams Great &tub tot the kit too tan, together with their Taw.
aye and the Nimbi* of Ms saiployal as beard tads ibliwr
rdered.

INDIA.

Mr. FRANCIS rote, he fait!, to give notice of a
motion he intended refpeaing the State of India, but
minted fira to put a queftion to the Noble Lord op.
polite (Lord Canlereagh). From the papers on the
Table, no fatisfaeory information was received re•
!peeing the code and origin of the prefent war in
India ; he therefore reqmfted to know of the No.
ble Lord, if any direa information from the Marquis
Welleney was at this moment in potelSon of C..0.r
vernment refpeaing the conks, and motives that led
to the War in India 1 •

Lord CASTLE/EACH anfwered that no fuch
direet information as the Honourable Gentleman al-
luded to had been received. ' 2
' FRANCIS could not help thinkinfothis
cafe, that the conduit tithe Marquis wa was
highly culpable as by AS of Parliament the Gover-
nor was obliged give the carat/ information pof-
fible, whcreas.the Marquis had given no information
refrains* cavil; and natives of a war that bad

now (ASAd for upwards of &ten months. actOth.,
repeated opportunities of finding fuch conk
m • • s.
The Honourable Member then gave notice, that it
was hi' intention at no very dirlant petiOd to move
fer on inquiry into • the general Rate of India.—
Though there might be other fourees of infoimation,
the principal grounds of courfe on which this in-
.quiry vroagl reit Were the papers liefore the Houle;
and u the propriety of Come general information
on the fabled previous to fucli a difcuffion mull be
very obvious, he recommended particotarly the at-
tention of the Houle to a few of the docuMepts
which he thought the moll =ecru'', of thofe he' par.
tieularly mentkdod—the Harris Wellefley's inirue-
dons to Colonel Collins,,in his inarnaions to Colo.
nel Clore, and the Treaty of Baffler). There he
thought would give a pretty general idea of the Cub-
joe, and enable Gentlemen more completely po en-
ter into the able& of his motion. ' •
Lord CASTLEREAGH thousht the general
Rate of Indikhy far too large a queßiod to be taken
up as a whole. Even the Treaty of Ealien itfelf
was fo voluminous as tciallord fufscient (cope for any
(Ingle dircuffion. Lordfhip therefore was anxi-
ous that the Honourable Gentleman would narrow
the &gat of hjs intended motion. ' •
Mr. FRANCIS made no reply,

DUTIf.'

Mr. FOX rote to Rate.that he had received 4 letter
fret Rptherham. in Yorliffiire' eomplaining of the
auk Ward predicament in which cettadi retail dealers
inTalt were placed, from having mired the price of
that article previous to the'term at hich the Addi-
tional 1114-begin! dperatihn. They bad fine'
learned that there wai fever, penalty attached to
this condo& but they bad been led to it from an
Excite Officer coming to take .an account of their
Rock in head, that it might l 3; Tubjcaed to the new
duty, and front the exiunpls of the City of Loudon;
where the price of falt had been railed by the autho-
rkty of the Aldermen. -Heitir,ght it hard that in
there eircumftances the iinoplatnants &oda fuller;,
and was ahzious thit fate remedy might be pro-1
Tided to relieve them from the penaltY. •
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
(aid, that as the additional duty had not fel Veguit
toopiate, no officer bad a right to take an account
of the Rock in band, for the purpofe 6f levying the
duty. 'there certainly was, however, a penalty as
alluded to, which however willing be might he, be,
didiot fee the means of remedying.
The fable& here dropped without any meafure
.
being adopted. •

- WAYS AND MANS FOR 11111.4 RD.
Mr. JAMES FITZGERALD rote, acid remark-
ed, at Come !ength, on what he confidered the unne-
cefrary fize of the Loan. He thought there were.
quite fulficient taxes already laid on in Ireland, if pro-
lcolletted. He took the amount at the film the
Chancellor of the Exchequer had Rated, namely, at
four millions, though he would venture to fay, that
it might be made to produce much more. He -re-
called to the memory of the Houfe the taxes laid on
by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, to the amount
of tythoool. and 400,0001. by way of regulations.—
He was confident that fo large a loan was not wanted. .
Ireland was under no neeeffity to keep more money
than what was abfolutely wanted for her own wakes.
He believed it would be acknowledged that England
was confiderably the debtor of Ireland. He had been
a firm optional' *of. the Union, thinking it would ne-
ver enterer the ends that were propofed by it. Now
that it bad taken place, he wifhed to confider Eng
land and Ireland it one. He muR call on the Gen-
&men from Ireland and upon thole of England too,
fine it had been held out that the Union would give
that part of the Empire a mare impartial hearing,
to put an end to a fyftem which had fo much injured•
the finances of Ireland. rtiere exited a balance in
the hands of the Irk Collators of Excite to the
amount of 427,0001. When this was mentioned in
the Hoofs lafijune it created general aßoniihment ;
but he did not And that Goverdmenr had removed* a
Gogh Collator. If a min were put in care of an
taste and allowed it to ftiffer in a fimilar way, he
believ'etthe would be found refponfible fir peirnitiing
fuck a lofi. He had beard fornething lately abdar
the word 4 calbiered s' he thought that a Government
ffrmitting fimilar Maim ought to be calk-red.—
He trolled that an end would be put' to this -thin
of overburthening an unfortunate country. Retrodld
afk the Right Hon. Gentleman ( Mr. Faker) whether
Gnce his aceeffion to office, there had been ally rustic-
finis -or compofition of arrears I In or about the yea;
ado there was one, and he believed more than one.
It was'a memorable year. He hoped the Hoofs would
prevent the difeuffion nn thofe balances year after
nite year, by I cing to tome meafure upon thp. fubjee.
• They ens he confidered by Gentlemen as a clerk
in the I Trea(nry, which ought to have received
them before now. The Right Hon. Gentleman ac-
tually depended= an thole very .9olletten, now Co
much in Weer. to tollea his duties, and relied ra
Mien vat theyp were to receive, than on What they
have rAervid, and thus Ireland was to have a whole
catalogue of new taxes. One great part of the dia.
Calder of Ireland arofe fron; the debt of !Soo, and
this country ought to bear her &are of the proper-
tins of expense of bringing the two ebuntnes loge.
they. England on ht to pay her flare of ',mood.
for the p:archafi or the trial reptifentationt git of
the other "expenses incurred to carry the UninVlie
appeiled to the Right Hon. Gentleman whether
money was not due from England to Ireland I The
preterit addition of taxes prefed hard upOti the groz!!-
sag decency.'the comfort, improvement. and tiepin-
ns
of the country.
Mr. DAWSON with great candour and confider-
able minotenefs entered ibto the merits of the friend
Taxes prnpohd, Guns of which he approved, but coo-
&mined others to be impored. He reprobated the Tail
on Thnber, as in many parts of the country it was a
farce article, uid beam& it would iiperite as a &me
check on the riling plantationw inducing proprietors
to cat down th4e young wood before it was matured.
That it would encourage people to plant young wood,
reminded him of a Rory be had heard of an old man,
who, being advifed to drink ngreat deal of cyder for
his health, began immediately to plant an orchard
(a loogb). The Duty on Hodes bled for pleafnre he
was inclined to approve, but was afraid would loon
be extended to other deferiptions of Horfes, as bad
been the cafe in this country,. and in that cafe be
would reprobate ft in the !irony& terms. He paid
fame tighcomptiments at the fame time to the Right

' Hose treble lltandems* it the head of the Ili& Er- 1
chequer, for his allivity and laudable exel bons in the
department. 'He approved alto of the Dog Tax. on ti, .
pnnciple, that both thole tired for the tports of the
Geld e.nd thofe kept is dometlics. were by tar too nu
merous; and gave notice, that on Tome future day
, he would move. that the proper Officer lay before the
Houk. a lift of the Dogs kept for fport, for the put-
, pore of adopting- tome farther regtditie as 'on that
fubjeft. The additional duty on -Servants kept by
Bachelors, met with his warmed concurrence. He
difapproved of the duty on Paper ; did not refute his i
stern to the duty on Stamps ; but infield of any ad.
ditional duty on Fed Letters, thought k would jte
better to adopt meafures for the proper Cohesion of
thole already impofed, which nyder the prefent fyr
tem were colletted at no lefs expence than tl6 per
cent. Co that he &tad not Wonder if application were
made to Parliament for a conspenration. The Hour.
Duty he cOnfidered poi a Imre futglitution for the
Ilearth Doty? which was Co unpopular that it wa.
aboliftsedhy the Irifh Parliament.—The additionas
duty on Windows, aotwithaanding that the loweft
actable number was made (even. instead of five, he
was of opinion was too eanch, as it was an addition
of twenty.five per cwt. 4 any dqty on Diflilleries,
that went to check tbe mansfaatare of that pernicioms
fpirit, that not only Toned fit Many of the people
in Ireland, but was ' led here. alto in great quan-
thin to poifon dw eof thit,eotitityl the Hon.
if
Member eaprttredhisreadliteAto ediicireelstit lansent-
ed that theduttes alrlidy-lnspofed were fo ill collet-
ed, and the prance Ofinauggfitiglo prevalent, that
no fair, roportion of them creme into the Exchequer.
So much was this the cafe. thathe was convinced that
if thole duties were proorly colleaed, hit 'Right Hon.
Friend Would have no occaftetti to come bi them for
any additional means of railing the neceffary fupply.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT concurred in'altnoft every
rerpeCt with his Honourable Friend who had juft fat
down. The fubjea, he thought. was of Co much im-
portance that time ought to be given that they
might learn the opinions of thole that were portico-
tatty interefied. The Honourable Batoner ache mi-
nutely into the minor articles of the new 'taxes, fuck
as toffee, flat, rar,'&c. andcomplained pat ticularly
the d4C otiditional duty wit-too much. Ile parts-
culirly reprObated the Duty on Paper, an article of
which the manufaaure in that part of the United
Kingdom was Wry eircuatfcribed, and which by this
asearure he was apprebe6fiee vittuld be'entirely ruined:
The lett additional tax 'OA. Wale. etinteisded,' had
diminiffied the revenue arifing from that article con.-
fiderably, which was a proof that it operated as *
Check to ffiveral. fpecies of exportitioO, 'saved' *as,
therefore, a fulls& that required the nano(' caution.
He argued particularly againft the tax on timber,
the fcarcity of wood, of which he raid; in molt parte
of the countri, there was tot even enough fbr agril
cultural purpofiti. The Hopourable Baronet tog-
eluded a very able -fPettch_..deprecating, in ftrong
terms. the kregularias and grofs tsbufes that pre.
railed in refpea to: the Poll Office, and which re-
quired immediate stdeers.
___" • _ _

Mr. HAWTHORNE jullified, the general Date-
menu of the Chancellor of the Eichequer of Ireland.
.The balances in the hoods of die Collator s, if they
could be brought forwar4 'repaid not yield faSeient
means for.the p!s .el theexpeices now Other:
wife to be Pre epee if the Chancellor of
the Exchequersel thee bait:nem as fecarity
for tie MICA Loin, the Public creditors
would not have Issenlittsfied •witialsra,.fort of (mu-
rky. The mpenecof lieland iswa notewing to the
Union. The- expeoce of Ireland vioukt have been
greater for 'befall two'Or three years without, then
with the Union', .as the hate of the canary %Anis!.
.
Move. •
Mr. FOSTER did not lib to occupy the amen-
Lion of the Houfe weeny moments, but what v Right
Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Fitzgerald) 'had 'aid, as to
the principle of Loans, required an anf*i. The
Right Hon. OttAleinatslied contended, chit the fur-.
plus revenue ought to have been ufed to: make' good
the intereh of the Lein. The prTncipl 4 Loans;
' howerer, was, as he .undertlood it, that of railing
fufficient to pay the interell, and provide a fund for
the liquidation of the principal. By the Ad of union
the debt of Ireland is confolidated into one fund. As
to-the furplus of the Confilidated Fund there were
•any;.-and that it fhould be urea for At payment of
the ettivesetipences of the year, (sell as the army, or
aiir Other breach of publle 1s ice, provillon mull be
made hf taxes for •tbefislus fo appropriated. The
cruel; was, Jumpier, that there was no furpfus, when
the *hole ofeft iniount wall taken kilo Ccin Silprat ion .
Whatwas fait of the. Calledoes hilances mit mate•
rial, and he• was free tcrown; that there Were de6-
ciesicies tip that quarter!' 1 Great exertions were made
fince he came into Mace, a remedythe abul'e ; and,
he hoPeal to fee the grievance removed. An Hon.
Gentleman had objetted to the tax on-Timber. That
Hon. Gentleman had got him to giee up occur :-
0 The Hon. Gentleman;' faid Mr. Potter, 01nOsring
the earmats of guy temper, got me to giectip :meta;
laft year; a tax of much in:permute to the conflitu-
ants of the Hon. Gentleman, Which wds the tax on
Wine. (4 laigh.) But the prefent tax he couldnot
give up. Timber was not fo tared as that there could
lie any reafonable objettion to the duty. Moe of the
articles of actual ufe in local and domellic trades
and employments were not to be taxed ; the butter
cabs and other fuch articles, would not be liable to
the taxi only deal boards, and timber ufcd in build-
ing, would pay the tax. Now, what was the tax after'
an Why, only one of 4s. 7d. per too of so cubit
feet, which fill in IrAnostfOr 61. Four (billings and
from-pence on atimuniils was then that enormous
tax which was to ruin the buildings of Ireland, and
leave its poor houfelefs. In.ohe courts of lett war
Timber rote from 31. toll. per ton, and build:ngs
were not &created. Betides, there wire fueh ex-
emptions from the tax provided in the fchedult, that
it was, in reality, a tax mot at all burdenctinic.` As to
the article of the Foliage of Letters, it was fo badly
managed, and the Mail was fo infecure, that it was
expedient that for the good of the public, the mode
of conveyance fhould be altered. ' As an intlance of
the carelefs manner in which letters or difpatches are
carried in Ireland, the Right Hon. Member related
a circumitance that ton lE ?lace a little time back in
the county of Waterford, A boy was entrufted to
carry an Exprefs to Dublin on horfeback, for want
of any better conveyance. He hopped by the way to
play ball, leaving his bags upon the ground in tl:e
.mean time. A, gentle:ma- (yesig the bags iyig dovz,