Star.
London, England, 1830-02-16 00:00:00

1797 the expenditure of the Colonial department was 9,000!. a year ; mend reductions to the extent of 1,400,000/. The whole of &el
now it was 39.3001. a year. The next subject on which he wished to charge for miscellanies in the years 1790 and 1791 was on dm
make a few observations was the expense of collecting the public average only 150.0001. but theeyy annuli, simounisd *llsio9,lllol
.revenue. He (Mr. Hume) proposed to reduce that expense. It was This year the charge for mist* 111.011111 Sort WOO illetailett
now 400,0001. and he would undertake to effect a saving of one mik even beyond that of last year, asd limo In would sissennend a
lion and a half, and bring about a much better system of collection reduction of one million to be ellestsi in the followlnig manner :
than existed at present. His Majesty's ministers were willing to By lowering the duty sec abase* and other articles which encou-
'allow six per cent• for collecting the stamp duties in Scotland, raged smuggling, he veal we utorly 500,0001. bein expense
whereas he had ()feted to collect them at two and a half ; but minis. of seamen employed on tits slat blockade, and burr for the
tors would not agree to his proposal, though he thought ..;,3 have same purpose kept up at as smiemises cost. These hems together
made a nice little thing of it for himself—(A laugh) lie anew of would yield a sum of 6,ffi.0,0001. and to this saving be
we individual in Aberdeen, who, though never stirring out of his would add 300,0001. to be taken from the civil list. (Hear, hear.)
stationer's shop, yet received no less a sum than front 1,2001. He would recommend an address to his Majesty, requ4ting him
1.400/. a year for selling stamps; and he knew of =odor to reduce the diplomatic branch of the civil list; and be
person who had received 1,000/. a year in a similar way. The would not ask it as a favour, but as a right. When the civil
system however, had been altered.oithin the last year. Down to a list was in difficulties, the country had increased it; and
recent period there were two receivers-general of taxes for each crow that the country we in ditrmat eel It ought to be di-
county, but he had succeeded in obtaining the sanction of the chan. ininished. He would erect $ further saving of 600,0001. by
cellor of the exchequer:to a proposition, that, in all capes where a the sale of the crown lands, or by letting them at rents proportioned
receiver-general died, no successor should be appointed
lto his place, to did: real value. The whole department ought to be broken up
but that the duty for his half of the county be duce by tit; sec nukes and extravagant, end it would be easy to wind up *be
surviving party. This was ooe ay the arrangements which had came concern by the disposal of all the lands. These sums would mobs
from the finance committee, and acted upon by ministers, though a total of 0k4110.0001. to which he added 1,459,0001- from the use.
the system before was to have two receivers-general in the same plus Revenue, forming as aggregate of more than eight millions}
county, and that Was other reason than to increase government patio. and reduction to that extent, be was satisfied, would be found
nage.Upon one occasion heNtir.ll.)wasapplied to by &gentleman who perfectly easy, if ministers fairly and bowed, set about the as.
thought himself hardly treated by the new arrangimint,in having, on tempt. The country had a right to expect relief to that asnosust,
the death of his colleague, to receive the taxes for the whole count and he would now show how it ought to be given to the mud.
only
instead of for half of it, as before, particularly as he still gut fering population. First, he proposed to repeal the whole sf
the duty on coals, amounting to 803,0091. Next, he weal
the same amount of salary— namely, GOO/. a year. The gentleman
'hardship - chance— - take of the whole of the duty, producing 1,414.0" Beda,
service,

soap ,414,00 C.
these would be of considerable . , but especially the last; for
though the duty was only twopence per lb. he could show that it
added roomette* per lb. to the price of the article. Thirdly, he
would repeal the duty on candles, which bad been so productive
last year, mainly because the poor weavers and other artisans were
obliged to work in the night as well as in the day to earn a very ,
scanty pittance it was only Id. ,xr lb. but it added lid. to the
price of every pound of andies arising from the heavy charge fur
oi
lier causes. In the fourth place, he would do
away with the- remainder of the duty on leather, producing
only 383,0001. a year. It was a common complaint that shoes and
other articles of leather were no cheaper, notwithstanding the former
-repeal of half the duty, and the reason of it was, that these was
not sufficient competition among the tanners and cortices; the pe-
nalties went PO heavy, and so difficult to be avoided, that few
people whould engage in those trades; and if they were removed
be was certain that leather goods might be obtained equally dur-
able and forty per cent. under the present price ; he pledged himself
that ministers should obtain military accoutrements 20 per cent.
under the sum they now paid for them. These four items would
give relief to the extent of 3,134,116 L and to these he would add
the duty on beer, at present atuountin; to 3,204,0001. Three
years ago he and his hon. friend, the hon. member for Abingdon
Maberky) had calculated that the expence of collecting the
duty oo beer was notimse than 400,0001. ; reducing the whole pro-
duce, therefore, to about 2,800,0004. One main objection to this
tax was 'the tudity of its pressure ; the removal of it might
he no advantc,-.e tq country "olden:tea, but it would be a very
important rebel' to the peasant and poor man, who paid fifty
shillings duty, while his master peid no more than thirty shil-
-1 lingo. Them was also remaining a small duty on cyder and perry,
the repeal or which would be highly beneficial to the West of Eirl
land although the produce of it was no mere than 37,0001. Half
the duty had been removed five years age, and to hike off the rest
would Late this additional advantage, that It would abolish the item
entirely flow the ;collections under the Excise. The Window and
Inhabited House Duties came rext—the formes yielding 1,164,3551
smear, and the latter 1,826,972.1. He was very much mistaken if,
among the most distressed classes, were not: many who had large
houses, whith they did not live in, but which they could not shut
up. Many families who bad been in the habit of keeping two
houses were now wandering abroad for the sake of economy, and he
had little doubt that the repeal of these two duties would mall a
numerous body of exiles to tbeieDtative country, and thereby oc-
casion a.e employment of a large body of poor in their neigh.
bourhood, now out of work. He did not believe that it :would
be mere expensive to live in Devonshire and other parts of the west
of England than in Fraser, if the house and window taxes were
abolished. So much for direct taxation ; and be would only men-
den one other inmeetent duty—that upon corn—which last year,
be believed, had been productive to the extent of about one million
sterling ; the importation having been larger than for the last 26 ,
years. He wily waeted to have the corn trade as free as any other
'branch of commerce, and he begged hon. members who differed from
him to remember how much the existence of this duty tended to di.'
minish employment, and the consumption of other agricultural pro-
dace, such as butter, chsese,egge, pigs, and cattle of every kind. The
lower orders were thus thrown upon the)oor rates, and could not
afford to consume what they would otherwise be ready and
able to purchase, and he was satisfied that the laadowner would
be evil= humid of a loser by the repeal of the can laws. In
the tit insurece, perhaps &middle course might his token, but be
hoped ore long that the House would mks the question into ha
meet serious consideration. He apprebailed that list year govern-
ment was disposed to relinquish the duty ea insurances, which ope.
rated as a tax upon mildews ; and the duties upon raw articles,
as upon glass, paw, fte.. ought either to be altered or abandoned,
inasmuch as in thelrpresent amps they prevented the increase of
the consumption of the articles themselves. If any man doubted
the possibility of takiag of these onerous imposts. be referred him
to the fourth report of the finance committee of 1828, from whence
it appeared that the reduction of Mass to the amount of twenty-
six or twenty-amen million, bad not occasioned any falling
of in the produce of the revenue. Lightening the
weight to this extent meesianed such a degree of general elasticity
that the remaking taxis made up the whole amount of the defi.
assay. Half measures might be properly adopted when matters
did not press, but la the present state of the country DO half mea-
sures could answer the purpose, when from one end of it to the other
a cry was raised far the reduction of taxes and diminution of
raison upon the suffering climes of society. True it was
that in the speech from the throne, ministers had repeated the
pledge given in 1821 but ho did not at all expect that that
pledge would be redeemed. Having made the promise of Is.
dutoed ezpenditurmin 1621, in the very next year they broke their
faith, and be had as little confidence in their present as-
surances. For this reason he wished to obtain a distinct vote
from the house, sad he trusted that, there would be bat ens
opinion regarding the assolution with which he should conclude.
Ha bad shown the necessity of reduction, and the means of redac-
tion, and that it might be both safe and effectual; of this, at least, ,
be was satisfied, that the experiment ought to be tried before resort
were had to the expedients wildly talked of in different parts of the
country. He; should now conclude. (Hear, bear.) He was
glad that honotuable members were so ready to Came to a VOW ;
and as be was sure that they must have made up their minds to
vote with him, having heard nothing on the contrary aide, he should
therefore detain them very little longer.--My resolution will
be the followings." Thu this house will forthwith paced
to the repeal and modification of taxes to the largest possible
extent—that the civil, military, and naval establishments of the
cosuary:srill admit, as the means of affording general relief to the
country." He put it to the house whether there were any members
in it so deaf to die complaints from all parts oldie country as to be
' prepared to say that they would not give relief, and that the people
were not in a condition to demaid it If there ince any such pre-
sent, be should be most happy to to their ItS&CMCOUI and
regiments; sad of those who were disposed to admit that mowthing
ought to be done, he would only ask in what better mods could re
. 'lief be afforded ? lie did not require the house to pledge itself
to the extent to which he, for one, was perfectly ready to go; be
only:called upon it by his resolution to pledge itself es to theq
cipk. Ministme had already induced' the house, In
on the first day of the Session, to vote.that some reduction
the expenditure ought to be made ; sad all he wished was, that it
should go one step further, by sayieg, ,t We will give proportion.
ate relief to the country by taking off tams to the amount of there.
&Action." If by what beibad said he bad been able to idioms any
Honourable Member to reflect seriously upon the subject, he should
be most happyl; and be could haat no object but an anxious deake
to see the country freed front its present dtilleuhies, and the inhabit.
ants relieved from a needlessly oppressive lead of taxation. He
was confident that if the Roust did not agree to some Raohstion of
the kind, it would disappointthe just expectations of thi country,
and run the risk of driving matters to an extremity that would
hereafter prevent due au on and deliberation in duo adoption of
remedies. The lion. Member concluded by moving the resolution
he had before read.
The question was then put; upon whiels,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCH EQUER
under considerable anbarrssemeat to address the Muses L.
the very singular speech of the bon. member. That cribs:raw
was ptincipallyowing to the conviction hamsterudwod that the hones
was hula posed to lend a favourable or indulgent ear to any per.
son who should attempt to keepers an its time, exhausted as its,
11:d:bed Met by the voluminous speech it had just heard. 1
caet speech dishonourable member lied followed no now Una,
but Mead his usual beaten tract. lie bed, la hies mug.,
ism light, :touched ea ivies she meet dgleele—the rusnue
...ohs • expeoditure—ekings small and pats each of width
is Ana' with any Agree of propriety or ptefit would roman sr
onePtsg's *palate *bap, Tbe boo. member sot or 's, dealt wgli
iagitty of topics is that speech, but he had held house
he,, the Son' OrkAgeeeePee at the ilichertner,
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..alplained of the— to the , 71or-of the Exchequer, but
the reply he receivedwas, *chit It was hie (Mr. Hume's) act, and the
Treasury could do nothing for him. Upon this he (Mr. Hume)
told him he was sorry if any act of his was: prejudicial tu him, but
that at the lame time, if he would only consent to resign his situa-
tion, he (111 r. Hume) would be most happy in providing him with
a successor. •• This," observed the hon. member, •• was quite
enough; I have never beard from him sines." (A laugh.)—
The whole system of the receiveragene 'ought to be altered, end
could be altered with great ease and advantage. The whole duty
might be performed by the collectors, and the receivers-general
ought not to exist one hour longer. A small addition—an addition of
401. or 506 a-year to the collectors' salaries would be sufficient re.
muneratiou for their additional duty, and above 50,0001. a-year
might thus be saved to the country. But then It was said that these
collectors did not give Balkiest security for the large sums that
would then pass through their hands. He had answered that at
once, for he tltowed that above 1,300,0001. had been returned in one
year from Liverpool having passed through the hand* of one man,
who only gave 5,0001. secunty. Out of 335.000,0001. received by
these collectors there bad only been one defaleatioa of 300001.
which he believed bad not been occimined through the cri.
minality of the defaulter, while receivers-general had bean de-
faulters to the amount et 350,0001. He diadem maintained
that in every way the appointment of receivers.geneeal was a
most proligate mods of expenditure. But then it was said that
there must bs pntleinea to undertake such offices. He denied it,
and be maintained that gentlemen appointed to such situations, and
receiving large salaries, always would employ somebody ulna to do
the Jades, and Mould often be cheated. To the .alit of the
Excise be would say, that no man was promoted there to be
a collector till he La beta successively riding officer and sw
pervisor, and during the twenty years required for his nosing
through these offices, the Commissioners had daily, almost hourly,
opportunities of judging of his fitness for business, and of the trust
to be reposed in him. It was not the same with the other depart-
ments. He believed that was the reason why in other departments
' these were such large salaries. and the men appointed were so unfit
kr business. Thet expense of collection was now the same as in
1818, although a very considerable reduction ought to have been
made, He was rowed to prove that two millions and a half
=ifse been saved in that time. He did not speak at
he was reedy to go to the book to prove what he said.
Ms candidate the Boards for the &amp and Hackney
Donn He would reduce the enormous number of
Onnissionses of Excise and of Customs, and he could not
,and
mineihne what each a number could do, except to serve as relays
As eat eastthsatootte6 y, his year. The . ofteomoisi:
ahuweirie. eel ewe the public money was wasted in every direction--
1U Beebe was nearer what a department should be than any other,
as the finance committee had found, was a model to ths rest in
the way in which they kept their. accounts. On those grounds he
should press kb motion, with a view to en alteration and reduction
of the taxes, and a Goaselidation of the diffentat boards of commis.
ithases. If there should be any surplus revenues he should be eel:-
lows as bay up the 31 =tonnes ,=
which were so extravagantly dear
to the country. lie ht th fee the boom
and Waist of
the Gauntry which some able geodesics thought depended
en the sinking fund, but which he told them so long ago as 1026
depended es the sinking fund being put dieene--he raid be thought
dent the honour and interest if the minty, voquiftaclidit dupla Ailail•
.shied be bought up. lie could show that since Mr. Pit shiest pt
up the sinking feed the c had lost two hundred millions by
he operstios, the minister borrowing with Gas hand and paying
will the ether, and borrowing at a greaser leeriest than he re.
deemed. He should be able to show that the 'educates be had
mid be made net only without injury so the worry,
irswillst poet advantage to it, and that a stallion sad a bait
might be applied from the staples review fee the
be bad meatieeed. He would redoes Abe dot on Tobacco)
mod on romilla etch thus get Bid of- the blockade
epstion, which seated s ill.will with eviey body, sad oc-
amiss= • met of civil war upon the estate. Seem or eight ban.
died thousand a year might be eared by that mesas elms, sad a
past cause of hanswality and crime pet an ead is, while the re.
ensue would be inaemed, an oily by the saying thus made, but
by the increased oonsamption ot the two articke-he hid etkeified.
If then was, as he expect= these would this be, • -staples es-
voire, be would net leave it in the kande of the Chantal= of 'the
Eredesquer ; for in his time Chmeallem of the Exchequer bed
always "third with such :wog to
as
little good par.
pose, but be would betheeleand az the manse, in
which that surplus revenue should be applied. be
would remind country gmblesent that the sinking fund
of five Wilk= was merely ideal.that it was only paying with
sae hand and borrowing with the other, lad ohs wee in a con-
dition to show that out of the orangeade= memeMd with the babas
fund bad arises $ less to the country of not leis than four =Micas
and a half. Oa way 1061. there had been a less of 311. and sothiag
could Abed a Meager peg of the nesesity for MilligliatjAg some
centred ewer the imam minister of the country. Tie Sanding of
sight millions of sacheimar bills bad turned out another very Nola
air, although be had been taunted at the time with being too hasty
in his ametesions, when he stated the lose at much Ices then it bed
in fact been. That loss bad amounted to on millions and I halt on
a sum of eight millions of =chequer bills. This assertion might
Meeatsacedloary, bat he had the Spies before him In
lsti end white to prom it. Such a result, it might be, thought,
would bare been enough se make the Chancellor of the liatthequer
reflect, but what had be.. the loss on the sarnaction of onlyslast
year ? These had been a *espies of three millions, and he (Mr. IL)
had pressed that it should be devoted so the reduction of tastei, bur
the right hoe. gauletune bad insisted that le would be much better to
apply it to the taking of hischequer bill ma of the ruerket. The
premium on Exchequer! bills must, of Nurse, be paid, and
that entombed so 94,0001. But what did the Chancellor
of the Echequer do ? He mid, "No ; I will not pay the
money ; I know better than that; I bays etinialted my Abode
,and coadjutant of the Soak Eseheage, whose polite are she
eir the morethe country gambles and loses by gambling,'
sal will make a different hatpin.* What bargain did he
make? said what did he do with that sum of money which
would hme saved half the starving people of the country, or re-
pealed several of the most obnoxious and oppressive tams ? He
*inverted the three millions of Exchequer bills, bought with the
three millions of surplus, into four per ant perpetual annuities ;
he gave the dim millio s of surplus to the commissioners fee the
slaking feed, end told them to buy up the exchequer bills, to
be ,ronvetted into annuities, and the loss upon chat musection
was not lees than 900,0001. It was impossible to explain
awn
ignwittees of arithmetic and calculatiou, and such a pea
aught to be reprobated to the latest day of every man's
ealsemesr How much better would it bare been, then, to hare
the surplus of three millions to the diminution of the
t smallest ? No such- power ought to be given to the
Chancellor of the Exchequer in Won, and the house ought net
to allow him to purchase one shilling's worth of three per cents.
at the present price. and in the present cbcumitanees of the country.
All that be had hitherto done had been inconehtent with the ulti-
mate mad rampant prospirity of the country. He (Mr. Hume)
much penethwei we
eitiornbi seam; would not be better to adopt the aw-
Cle Ibe (Sir Hairy Parnell), to =Mart
air padielly fobs= which in 70, 80, er 90 ;airs,
eawli big It to as imbed end. If Am principle were pod, a
l could gen sup mop be made, and the result might
b= beiblehL He would now state what would be the
math% if the Minden with which he should conclude were est.
tied. In the oily he propeed that there should be a re-
denims of 1,1191161001. In puini.of expenses First, by tlieband-
las war mew :iisesiead. MU t next, by making the military
mien pay is SP 4311 Plan 3 adsdmittiy, by twinging! the staff
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be men of unblemished honour, and he was aware their acts bad
received the sanction of Parliament itself, ,whibt In office. • The
spa& of the hon. member placed him in the awkward medicament,
that, instead of coming forward, as was his duty officially to Impose
the Budget for the year, he was now called on to oppose the Budget
as it might be termed, of the hon. member for Montrose. Instead
of hunting the-honourable member through all his multiplied details,
he thought he should best consult his duty by laying before the
house very succinctly the reasons why the house should not
accede to the proposition now made to it by the honourable
member. The house should be on its guard not to take as
proved all that bad been stated by the hon. member, nor imagir.e
that what he might omit in this instance to answer was unanswer-
able. The hon. member's motion, in the first instance, called on
the house to repeal taxation generally to the largest possible extent.
If this proposition stood alone he could have perhaps dealt with it;
but it was coupled with another; namely, that the repeal should
take place forthwith, which he believed no gentleman there could
imagine was either wise or possible. Was it just to his majesty's
government, or wise policy in the managemeet of the public funds
of the country, to expect that the abatement or reduction of taxa-
tion hould take place at this moment, when no preparation had
been made for so Important a change ? That abatement of ovation
must depend on estimates, and the possible reductions thereon, of
which the house was not yet in possession.—How could they at.
tempt those reductions now, whilst they knew not what was the
amount of military force required, what that of naval force, and at
what estimate the civil service of the year might be fixed. The hon.
member contended that the income of the country should be kept
at as low a point Is possible, because, as he observed, it would tak
from the government the power of doing mischief. (Hear, hear,
from 31r. Hume) He would agree with him that that would be the
Janet effectual way to prevent the government from having any
reto do either good or injury to the country ; nor were
nriembers of any government likely to contribute long their set.
elects to the support of any measures over which they could cut.
else no control. It was a w;hl and extravagant project through.
out—and could only have originated with the hon. nieriber—e,
'expect to be able to induce the house to consent eo a reduction
of taxation to the amount of 1,000,0001. Did that honourable
member forget that the interest of the debt, which was about
29,000,000/, being added to the dead weight, as it was called
(but which consisted of pensions and rewards for civil and min-
im,' services of the most meritorious kind,) would give a pm.
duct, which, if deducted from the whole revenue of the wen.
try, would not leave above ten or eleven millions surplus for all
purposes of government, out of which the honourable member
argued that they_ should at once make a reduction to the
amount of nearly sthe whole---namely, nine millions. This wu
a proposition too wild to obtain the concurrence of any man of
commonsense. 'He would not abuse their time by following the hon.
member through his projected curtailments on the army and navy
estimates, but proceed at once to reprobate the principle on which
mash of this saving to the public was to be accomplished.
None but that hon. member would have had the hardihood to
propose that the arrangement made relative to his beriditaly pro-
perty with his late Majesty, on his accession to the throne, should
be disturbed. The civil list, forbooth, was to be invaded, and
that without any reference to the merits of persons so properly
placed, on it. wi.h the tar.ction of Parliament, in consequence,of
their claims on public gratitude. In submitting this course, though
so liable to objection, the lion. member thought proper to wont.
pany the proposition with no very gentle rebuke to ministers for
not having adopted this sage principle without being :minded of
it at so late a period. That arrangement had been made under the
highest unction, and the hereditary of the crown was surrendered
to the public fur a sum which it had far, very fur, exceeded, even
since its surrender. The bargain had been in several instances ad.
vantageous and beneficial to the public, yet these circutestar.fts were
of nu avail, and the project cf the hon. member was to sacrifice nothhig
less than the public character and honour in this instance. But, as If
the intention to abandon all principle in such a scheme was net in
itself objectionable enough, the hon. member had mixed up with
the subject a name to which it was quite unusual even to allude in
that house, and which that hon. member never mentioned La: fir
the purpose of heaping on It scorn and contempt. He was not of
opinion that monarchy was a fit subject eithe for scorn or contempt
The hon. member might descant as he liked on the blessings which
America derived from its form of government,or applaud alternately,
as he had dons, the aristocracy at one time, and the democracy at
another; he, however, could, he confessed, participate in none of his
scorn of, or antipathy to, a free nionarcny, such as that of this
country. The civil list, and pensions charged on it, amounted to
770,0001. out of these 466,0001. had been charged on the consolidated
fund, not for the purposes of granting patronage to ministers, or the
power to remunerate their adherents in politics, but to requite the
meritorious services of persons in) the army, navy, and in the
judicial capacity, and to provide them occasionally with suitable re.
tiring allowances. The honourable member Isad charged ministers
with increasing the Boards of Excise, Stamps, and Trues. Now,
how far was this true ? He could hardly have more imptudeatly
selected any public boards to found his complaint on; for in the
Ahmemed Tame the experiment of reductive had been desired
by the noble duke at the head of the government to be tried,
and the business of five Commissioners was now done by
four. In no one instance had the Noble Duke made any appoint-
ments in thine Boards. He had refused to do so. The same prin.
ciple was to be acted on with respect to the Commissioners of
Stamps, who were to be diminished. In the Excise, two Commis.
aioners out of the 13 were to be reduced in the same way. In the
Customs also the same rule was to be applied, and me experiment
war to be tried to see how far the collection of the revenue could be
improved and cheapened. And yet the honourable Member op-
posite seemed dissatisfied, and exclaimed " Was this all that
Could be done ?" To prove how disingenuous was his mode of
arguing, it was enough to allude to what he had said on
the works recommended to be completed in Canada.
He had represented diem as being about to entail on this country
au expense of two millions of money, whereas all that had been iv.
commended by the crown was an outlay to the extent of 600,0001.
the rest of the project having been postponed fur a period, or alto.
paw abandoned. Whilst he told the house the debt of the country
wee 800,000,0001. he asserted, singularly enough, that if we
had husbanded our resources in the last fifteen years, a con-
siderable reduction of the debt might be cleated, since
that period of years not leas than 89600,000/. of revenue
had been raised. (Hear, hear, hear.) Did lie expect all this would
be applied to the ftduction of Nation ? (No, no, from several
on, the opposition benches.) He (the Chancellor of the
lischequer) acknowledged be could not see the force of the
argumeet, unless such was the application of the remarks nude la
the hos. member's speech on that topic.—(No, no, from Mr.
Home.) In the same way, alter stating it was his opinion that the
failure of consumption, and consequently of revenue, and its die.
proportion to the growing increase of our population, was all at-
tributable to the enormous weight of taxation, the hon. member to
prove this very controvettible assertion, took a year in the period df
the war, when by our state of belligerency we was cut off from intets
course withlother nations, and compared it with the present, which
was a year preceded by a 16-years' peace. Hed he taken a ;eat
for instance 1791, also of peace, and compared it with the prams
he would have found that, is the mere article of consumption of a-
boom, the kaput of that article in that year was 9,300,0001 b. weight,
which in the present year exceeded 16,000,0 9 the weight. lieu
was an answer to the bon. member's hypothesis, despite of the
growth of population and taxation simultaneously. Let dure who
give atedit to the statements they had beard from the bon. ineuiber
adopt Ms detandnatiou, as embodied in the motion. for his own
ebelieved there here few in that hum who would be 'educed
ta line of conduct which would Involve theta in a :sail*
shatacter and honour; not could he possibly oantempiste
'the carry* such a motion, hr the maw state of things, butos
an intimstbs to himself that be was no longer either capable of, ter
8t for, the performance of the duty imposed upon film ofharillp—
namely, the adjustment of the finances, and the adepeon of the
MOM of minedy for the present distress experienced in a pastiestia
perdue of the community.
Mr. INARERLEY said be did not entirely approve of the wail'
snots of bblson. friend, bat via not thereby precluded from nip.
rizthe anundusent. One thing operated very much with bin:;
gthis, that =lntents 'hewed their disiselination to autunite,
by abashing the finance com muse. and that as stun as she cute.
mitt'. evinced a desire to retrench and to carve the
abuses which they discovered. It was said that the housitarlitnA
no knowledge of the intuitions of ministers; that was exactly
what be coin of; each iefortuation ought to have been
co ununkysd the first day of the meeting ef parliament. (Wart
hear.) Taxation bed arisen out of no system, it arose boas
necessity. This house was bound to pledge itself to the peogb
to seduce taxation.' If the house did tit comply with this,
she y Couldbetsay the interests of their constituents. The haw
bees took a brief view of the items of the expenditias of
Cris' smi observing theseninistem had not taken a single step to
make anything She an sibeteal reduction in it; notwithsmeding the
number of pensioned peruse who bad died off, yet the panicle, On
the civil list 10(ffltalell about 100,0101. He cam:aired that • reduction
*Mot minis. mln the taxation could be made without much dill.
ally. No who staidter would impose a tax of eight millions on
malt entriseer. Vic was secsofary to levy that amount oa that midi
M ahruthl bemoaned SO lade ales, sad • swinge nearly hall' a tail.
ilea would be thereby made In the collection of that
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