Star.
London, England, 1813-06-17 00:00:00

HOL'SE OF COMMONS,

The Irish Schools Ilia, en the motion. of Mr. Put, was read
a third time and passed.
Mr. ROSE brought in a Bill for the better ascertaining of the
Value of Goods exported, duty free, which was read a first, ...nd
ordered to be read a secoed time to-morrow, and to be printed.
Mr. CA.LCRAFT moved, that there be laid before the Hwise
an Account of the real Value of Goods exported from Great Bri-
tain to all pans of the World, during the years from 1 tiO3 to
18151,indthive, ctistioguishiog those exported to the United States
of America.—Ordered.

Mr. WHARTON moved the orar of the day for the third
reading of the New Street Bill, which, after some remarks from
Mr. Ciacaiter, on the propriety of having a sufficient fond fur
payinged compensation, was read accordingly a third time and
lh,•

'1 he commitment of the Irish InsoLena Debtors' Bill was post-
poned till Tuesday nest.
The Loan Bill passed through the Committee, and the Lottery
Bill was read a second tints, and ordered to be committed to-
morrow.

The Bill for Preventing the Illicit Distillation of Spirits in Ire-
land, (by imposing penalties on the districts where any illegal
were found) was read a first time, and ordered for a second
reading to morrow.

Mr. W. POI.E came into the House soon after, and gave no-
tice, that he should oppose the Bill on a future stage, as he con-
ceived it a measure of great Injustice, and it was generally repro-
bated while it was In force in Ireland.

SWEDISH TREATY.
Mr. PONSONBY rose to ask the Noble Lord (Lord Ca.•iJe•
resgh) whether he merely intended, on Friday, to confine him-
. se.f to reftrring the Treaty to the Committee of Supply, or
whether he meant to move any address upon the cccaskin ?
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that be only me,uit to move that
the Treaty should be referred to the Committee of Supply. As
to moving an Addri.ss, he thought such a measure would be quite
unusual.

Mr. PONSONBY then gave notice, that lie should make a
motion e.n Friday, either before the Speaker should leave'the
Chair, or upon his resuming it, to call foe the opinion of the
Noma upon the merits of the Treaty 'tat*.
Mr. CANNING said, he apprehended the Right Lion. Con-
demn aid not mean to involve the question of Supply u idh his
motion, but merely to take the sense of the House vu tLy stpu-
lations of the Treaty.

114 r. PONSONBY said, that it was cert&nly not hi.r hl!ention
to privunt the execution of the hatpin which bad bull entered
into with Sweden, but merely to hriz.g the st!pu:ations of the
Treaty before the consideration of the tiouse. He had not )et
made up his mind, whether he should make :its motion previous
to the Speaker's leaving the Chair, or on his resuming it.
Lord CASTLEIIEAGH then brought up certain pipers which
had been moved for on a former night ; tiamtly, the 'dirt:lnce
of the engagemont entered into between the Courts of Stockholm
and Pctersburgh, in 1812 ; the account of money paid on account
of the Swedish Treaty; and also the date of the landing of the
Swedish army at Stralsund.

'1 he Innkeepers' Bill was then read a third time and paiscd.

EAST-INDIA (WES 110 N.

Lord CASTLEREAGH moved the order of the
d.►y for the further consideration of the Resolutions.
After a short conversation, he agreed to postpone for
a short time the Third Resolution.

The Fourth Resolution was then read and unani-
mously agreed to.
Upon the Fifth Resolution being read,
Mr. CREEVEY conceived it to be like infatua-
tion to be still anxious in laying down plans of ap-
propriation of the diff,erent parts of the Corn.
pany's revenue, when all former appropriations had
uniforMly failed.
The Resolution was then put and agreed to.
The Sixth Resolution was unanim6usly agreed to.
On the Seventh Resolution being read,
Mr. CREEVEY said, that he felt convinced that
the Company, in stating their accounts, would con-
tinue to do as they had hitherto done, and set down
every evil that befel the concern, to political causes,
over which they had no controul ; and all the good
to their commercial prosperity and their own ma-
nagement.
chis Resolution was also agreed to.
The tightly Resolution was given up by Lord
CASTLEREAGH for the present, as he intended to effect
the object of it by a separate Bill.
On the reading of the Ninth Resolution,
Mr. CREEVEY gnd Mr. PRESTON objected to the
Company being allowed to declare dividends as they
thou& proper, and pay them out of the territorial
revenue, when, parliaps, the commercial revenue had
entirely failed.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that the dividends
fell naturally not on the territori 41 revenues, but en
the net proceeds of their commercial profits. He be-
lieved that those profits had been sufficient to pay the
dividends thre-a_.;hent the- whole of Ole term last
granted ; in fact, they could not take any thing from
the territorial revenues to pay their dividends without
the express sancion of the Board of Controul.

Sir JOHN NEWPORT thought they ought to bc
obliged to come to Parliament for authority to divert
the territorial revenues to this purpose, if it should
be necessary. He thought they now did so in an in-
direct manner, by loans, fur the purpose of invest-
ments, which were afterwards charged as an-..ong their
commercial profits.
This Resolution was also agreed to.
The Tenth and Eleventh Resolutions were then
agreed to.

. Lord CASTLEREAGI-I then proposed the con-
sideration of the Third Resolution.

Mr. BARING wished much that k could be post-
poned till to-morrow. He had seen Mr. Tierney to-
day, who was still unwell, but hoped he would be
able to attend to-morrow. He should hope that the
remaining Resolutions, about the propagation of
Christianity in India, would not produce much dis-
cussion. If they were likely to produce discussion,
he thought they might as well pto,eed to-night with
them, and postpone the Third Resolution till to-
morrow.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that he felt eve►y
disPo.siiion to accommodate the wishe(ilf the Gen-
tlemen on the otl it side ; hut the question was ul
'Luc urgency, that hy liiyl q .t feel himself jusiitted iu

!postponing it, especially as there was so much other
business fixed for to-morrow•. -
I • The Third Resolution was then read.

Mr. BARING midi he should then offer the
Amendment which his Right -Hon. Friend (Mr.
Tierney) intended to propose to the House. He con-
ceived this to be a question'of great delicacy—it was
making a kind of experiment. What he meant to
submit was, that vessels going from any Port of the
kingdom, should be made to return to the Port of
London. It might be proper to allow vessels to sail
to India from all parts of the kingdom ; hut they
ought to be made to return to London. This would
tend to t!..e interest of the Merchants; but he thought
it would be better to have this regulation adopted fur
a limited time. He concluded with moving, as an
Amendment, " That the Importations should be into
the You of London for the period of five years." .
Mr. GRENFELL supported the Amendment.
Sir J. NEWPORT differed from the two Hon.
Gentlemen who spoke last, as well as from the Noble
Lord. It was a mere delusion to sa) that any ad-
vantartwould arise to the Public from opening the
trade, if all the ships, after their voyage of delusion,
were obliged to come to the Port of London.
could the Merchants derive any advantage from the
trade, if they were to labour under this restriction.
He had unfortunately failed in his endeavour to re-
sist the whole of this measure altogether ; but as be
was unable to induce the House to throw open the
trade entirely, he would now use his endeavours to
mitigate the system that was intended to be esta-
blished.

Mr. FINLAY spoke in favour of the Resolution
for opening the trade. He opposed t'le Proposition.
for compelling Merchants fitting out ft om the Out-
ports to return to the Port of London. This would
be at once to take away al] the benefits of the exten-
sion of the trade to the Out-ports. The Hon. Mem-
ber also condemned, as most inischii. veils, the cry
which had been set up, that the exteasion of the trade
to the Out-ports would ruin the trade of the Port of
London ; ths was a most dangerous fallacy. In his
opinion, if the trade were thrown open, the trade of
the Port of London would he greater, at the expira-
tion- of 10 years from the'present time, than it ever
had yet been. With respect to the assertion, that
the revenue would be injured by the increase of smug-
gling, should the trade be extended to the Oaf-ports,
he was prepared to say, that the revenue. was as cur-1
cctly collected in the Out-ports as it was in the Not
of London—nay, more so, for there was no smug-
gling in the Out-ports—(a
Mr. PROTHE ROE said, the Bon, Member who
had moved this Amendmeot had said, this trade
would prove to the Out-ports a trade of delusion and
disappointment ; and he had given such advice as, if
adopted, would go to verify his predictions. As if the
vessels sailing from the Out-ports wete compelled to
return to the Port of London, it certainly could pro-
duce to the Met chants concerned nothing but loss.
Mr. R. THORNTON conceived it his duty to
• enter his most solemn protest against the measure pro-
: posed to be adopted by this Resolution; and though,
as the lesser ev;l, he was inclined to support the
amendment proposed by his Honourable Friend, yet
he considered even that as attended -with danger.—
; He complained, in the most energetic terms, of the
hardships which that class of persons must inevitably
who had been brought up and educated
experience
for, and had afterwards embarked their property in,
the Company's concerns, upon the promises held
out to them by Parliament for two hundred years
:past, and who were now to be set aside to make way
for rash speculators. It was the practice to say,
whenever the hardships to the Company was alluded
to, ig Why, your lease is expired !" True, the Char-
ter, or Lease, as it was called, was expired. -rut,
to carry the comparison further, what was the con-
duct of a landlord on the expiration of a tenant's
lease, if that tenant had acted well ?—why, to renew
the lease to him, rather than to any other persom.—i-
The opening of the trade to use Out-ports was a
mere delusion to Them—it could never produce them,
any good ; but, whenever this delusion was alluded
to by those who favoured the Company, it was said,
if it was a delusion, it was a delusion of their own
seeking, and one for which the Out-ports were loudly
clamorous. This sort of argument reminded him of
the old song of Mrs. Bond and her ducks, where the
ducks were tempted by a pretended [won held out to
them, and a cry of " dilly, dilly, come and be killed ;"
and when the ducks came of their own accord, it was
said they sought their own death. The Honourable
Member then adverted to the danger which would
arise to the Constitution of India by the proposed al-
teration in the system ; and observed he could not,
lon this occasion, help repeating the words of an emi- ;
nent Statesman, now no more—,, perish our com-
merce; let the Constitution live." To adopt the pro.
posed regulations would, in his opinion, endanger the
safety of our Empire ; and therefore be should give
it his most decided negative.—Mr. !INLAY explained.
Mr. GRANT repeated his former arguments in
favour of the Company, and opposed tiler clause alto-
gether.
Mr. ROSE thought it would be most conducive to i
the interest of the Company fur them to submit to the
terms held out to them ;* he thought it would be for
! the interest of the country that the trade should be '
; extended to the out-ports. With respect to the dan-
ger to which the revenue, it was contended, would be
exposed, he saw it not; he was not apprehensive of
any great increase of smuggling in the out-ports. He
was persuaded the greatest facilities afforded to smug-
gling was in the ship's way up the River. That great
quantities of goods were run both on the Kent and
Essex sides of the River was a well-known fact; the
creeks on each side the River afforded such facilities
Jo it, that not any regulations which it had been
found possible to adopt, had been of sufficient force
to do it away. He had paid particular attention to
this part of the subject, and in his opinion, after the
most mature consideration, he was persuaded, no evil
of the kind apprehended would arise, He was per-
suaded the smuggling in the out-ports was not equal
to that in the port of London; not that the inhabi-
tants of the out ports were more virtuous, but the fact
WAS, they had not ;he opportunities of doing it which
existed in London. Mr. Rose then entered into a
statement of the probable duties which would become
payable in the out-ports, which, he said, could nut
exceed 5e58,000, and supposing half was evaded, that
would not amount to Ar 30,000, he did not mean to
treat that sum lightly, or as of no consequence, but
when 1 folibidensi mut; it wo fioect with # vim tq

great national good, he thought the risk Wit fat
from being unwise or impolitic.
Colonel THOMPSON maintained that
the men
chants in the outports were as capable of judging for
their own advantage as the Directors of the East.
India Company could direct them. lie, as a Repre.
sentative of Hull, had no hesitation in saying, that
his Constituents could fit out as good ships as the East
India Company, and he was sure they could do it at
much less expense. They had already fitted out ships
in which Captain Cook and his companions went round
the world, and who could afterwards say, that they
could not build ship to trade to Bengal ?---(Mar,
hear.).—He believed what the advocates of the COM.
parry said, that they fitted out their ships as cheap as
possible, but he knew that the outport merchants could
do the same thing at little more than half the expense.
In a conversation which he held with a very respect.
able' ship-builder in the Port of London, and wile
built many ships fur the service of the Company, he
leernt that the builder charged about 440 per ton for
building every ship, but he candidly acknowledged,
that were he not bound by the direction of the Corn.
pany, he could build ships fit for the Bengal tiade at
the rate of 415 per ton. (Loud cheering). He woali
wish the House particularly to remark the evidence
of Mr. Innes, who was a very respectable London
merchant, and it would be there found that that Gee-
tleman having a private ventate to India, seas AC.
tunny compelled to pay the Company £lO per eta
for freight home, whilst he himself could get i: dere
for £2O. (Hear, hear.) It might be said, the Com-
pany did not derive much profit from private trade.
He would admit it ; but he understood every Gaptaie
had three servants to attend him, and every Mee had
one, whilst a band of music cheered the pes,enetes
and ship's company with their instrumental per.or.
nuances. He would not say that such things %eel
not requisite for the converienee and amusement of
those who went out in the Company's ships, Lut ae
wished his Constituents to be. allowed an opportunity
of shoving whether the India trade could not he car-
ried on without such accompaniments. (11:ar, bear.)
With regard to the petitions which appeared feet'
shipbnilders :tad others on the banks of the Thamce,
he could designate them only as foolish and ridica.
Taus. They reminded him of a petition presented to the
King in the 15th
.century, by the inhabitants of the
few': of Bridport, wherein they stated, that for many
years they had made :Ind (-sieved !IA ws-ri and caeles,
end therefore they prayed that no other p. rice's ten
theniselees in the kingdom sim,ild for he I.tt• me be per-
mitted tomaieur expo! t hawsers.and cab:es. (.d
He had also seen another petition which was wee: teed
soot; atter by the manufacturers of .!orcestee pray-
ing that no inhabitant of the adjacent villages
should be permitted to make cloth.—(4
Such petitions might in the present age seem very
, foolish, but he thought they were at least equalled
by the Snip-builders and others on the banks of the
Thames. (Cowiaued laughter,) Such were the
regulations at the Company at present, that no pri-
vate trader could send a ship beyond the Cape of
Good Hope without their licence, and he understood
that even the Government could not send a thief to
Botany Bay without their permission. He knew a
very worthy alderman who obtained a licence to carry
convicts to Botany Bay, and to bring back a cargo of
wood, but on the return of the ship, the wood, which
cost hint £353 in New South Wales, was sold by the
Company for 850 ; and when the owner called tor
an account of sales, sixteen months after, he was ap
teed of his unexpected success. (Loud laughter.)-•
pamphlets had appeared upon the question of
late, among which was one written by a Gentlemen,
(no doubt well qualified to give a disinterested opinion)
in which it was gravely sweet, that the political and
commercial regulations of the Company approached
as near to perfection as possible. (el laugh.) Really
such misrepresentation was too gross to be endured;
but, in answer to this he would quote another pamph-
let, very recently published, wherein it was stated, oa
the authority of private letters from India, that dte
Company's Agents had there of late imposed a duty
of eight per cent. on all the cotton trade of privets
merchants there, while the Company's cotton trade
paid nothing. He hoped Government would take
care that such an imposition should not long be con-
tinued. (Hear, hear.) Much had been said of the
difficulty of preventing private traders from smug%
gling ; but how came it that Government kept vesseis
of a peculiar construction for the purpose of watching
the motions of an test India fleet, on their ccming
near a British port, while no such precauiion was
taken at the-out ports. (ell laugh.) All he want-
ed for the out ports was a fair and open trade to
India, and the interior, and he had no doubt of their
success.

Sir W. CURTIS said he was astonished to hear
the Hon. Gentleman who sat down last adduce il:e
failure of an Alderman in a speculation to Botany
Bay -as an argument against the East-India Com-
pany. That Alderman, (whoever he might be,)
seemed to know very little of the business of a mer-
chant, although the part of the country to which he
presumed him to belong was allowed to produce men
of very acute knowledge— (A laugh.) With respect
to the shipping employed by the East-India Con-
pany, he would appeal to any man of sense, whether
they could be built for £23 per ton ? Could any pri-
vate ship, built at such an expense, be capable of
contending against an enemy of the description op-
posed to the ships of the Company ? or could such
private ships be fit for the service of the country, in
the event of a war breaking out, under such circurnr
stances as the Company's shipping had to contend
with

Mr. COURTENAY said, that the promoters of
the Amendment had called on the House to adopt
an untried, unmitigated, and outrageous monopoly.
He considered that the natives of India had a right
to all the advantages which a free trade, assisted by
the capital of this country, could confer upon them.
He called on the House to reject the Amendment
altogether.
Mr. MARRYATT was convinced that it would
be a great many years before the vessels of the Out,
ports would arrive at the same perfection in smug.
gling. with those of the Company. Unless the car•
tal of our merchants were vmpLiyed in mutual ad.
vantages to this country and to India, and our rs•
sessions {bread, it would lee *just as useless as it it
had remained in the mines ‘sois.ll pioduce,i it. Hu
th;refore supported the origii,ai Resolution.
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THE EV.ENING STAR

LONDON.

THURSDAY, JUNE 17, 1813.
Melt OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT TWELVE O'CLOCK:
Red. 56156—C0n5. shut—Cons. for ace. Sift
4 per Ct. Tif 71-5 per Cent. shut—Bonds 4s. 53.0.
Exch. Hills I s. ss. pr.—Ontnium si i pre.
Bank Stock 213t—Long Anna. 14i 3-16th..

The substance of the Treaty between Russia and
!weden, referred to in the Treaty between this coun-
try and the latter Power, was, last night, laid before
Parliament. It is dated 24th Mareh, 1812 ; and, by
a subsequent Convention, dated the 30th of August,
1612, Russia agrees to augment her auxiliary force
to 35,000 men.

• The Treaty between Great Britain and Sweden
did nit take place till nearly twelve months after the
date of the preceding Treaty, viz. on the 3d of March,
Isis. It will be seen, by a reference to the Treaty
"-self; published in the STAR of Saturday last, that
by the first Article " the KING of SwitnEm engages
in employ a corps of not less than 30,000 men in a
direst operation upon the Continent against the com.
mon enemies of the two high contracting parties."
By the second article of our Treaty it is expressly
Stipulated that recourse shall not be bad to force for
effecting the union of Norway to Sweden, unless the
King of Desstsnx shall previously refuse to join the
.11liance of the North, upon the conditions stipulated
in the engagements , subsisting between Sweden and
Russia ; and by the fourth article, that, excepting a
ism to enable Sweden to put her troops in 1110a0D1

no money h to be `dented by this eoantry till alter
the Swedish force shall have landed in Germany.
From these particulars it appears that this country
has employed its influence, not only to secure the
direct co-operation of Sweden in the common cause,
but to prevent Denmark from being assailed by
Sweden, except in the event of the former refusing
to join the Northern alliance.

It would be recollected, that our Government was
no party to the Treaty between Sweden and Russia,
nor could it even be consulted. Had it been possible
for his Majesty's Ministers to have interfered at that
time, we think it highly probable that they would
have remonstrated against the attempt to annex Nor-
way to Sweden ; for this country has never admitted
the doctrine, first broached by France, that an offer
of indemnities may justify a compulsory change of
political boundaries. Being no parties to the Treaty
alluded to, and all the Northern Powers being equally'
our enemies, up to the time of the open rupture be-
tween Russia and France, nothing was left to his
Majesty's Ministers but to avail themselves of any
circumstances that might present themselves for the
overthrow of the Continental system, and securing
an opening for our Colonial produce, and for our
manufactures, into the European market.

On one hand, Ministers had to counteract France
with all Germany and those Northern Powers which
still adhered to the system of NAPOLEON. On the
other hand, the quarrel between Russia and France
offered them the friendship and co-operation of a
Great Power in opposing the lawless ambition and
inveterate hatred of a man placed at the head of a
Great Empire, and aiming at nothing less than our
utter destruction.

\Vas it to be expected that Ministers, placed in
such circumstances, should hesitate in availing them-
selves of the opportunity of confirming such a Power
in its resistance to our own enemy, and assisting it
in detaching as many of the other Powers as possible
from their connexion with France ?—in fact, they
had but a choice of difficulties, and those who cen-
sure them would do well to inquire what would have
been their own conduct if placed in similar circum-
stances ? Nay more—let themselvesibe the judges,
whether the friendship of one Power, Denmark, was
to be put in competition with that of Russia, Swe-
' den, Prussia, and possibly Austria. What would
they have said, had Ministers preferred an alliance
with Denmark to the friendship of so many Powers ?
Would they not have said that the interests of the
country were sacrificed at the shrine of our reigning
family—the King of DENMARK happening to be
nephew to the King of ENGLAND—son to our KING'S
sister, the aunt of the PRINCE REGENT,—and full
cousin German to the Prince himself and all our
Royal Dukes and the Princesses ?—Yes, all this and
much more would have been said, .had Ministers
sought the Friendship of Denmark, at the expence of
hostility with all Europe. Let it be also recollected
that even the profered Peace of Denmark was the
result of the danger with which that Power was itself
threatened, ,in consequence of the defection of the
other Northern Powers from the Continental system
—that is, from their combined league against Eng•
land. But for this we should never have heard of the
possibility of an alliance with Sweden.

It appears, by private letters received yesterday,
direct from Madrid, that the French have actually
evacuated that capital with great precipitancy, fear.
ful, as it would seem, of having their retreat cut off
by the rapid advance of the Allied Army. The re
treat commenced on the 27th ultimo, not only from
Madrid, but from all the posts in the vicinity.; and
the Spaniards, in consequence, were full of exultation;
and express strong hopes that this will prove to be
the last campaign of the French in the Peninsula.
We have received communications from the Army
two days later than the date of Lord WSLLDIOTON'S
dispatches, at which period (2d June), General Sir
THOMAS GRAHAM'S head-quarters were at Maliadas.
In the vicinity of Toro, the Hussar Brigade had a
brilliant and successful affair with the enemy's
cavalry, of which 220, mounted, were taken prisoners.
Our loss was IS men killed, including Lieutenant
COTTON of the 10th. Captain LLOYD, of the same
regiment, was taken prisoner, owing to too impetu-
ous an advance upon one of the enemy's ravines.
Our letters froth Alicant give greater importance
:to the disturbances in Sicily than we attached to them.
Two thousand of the troops were ordered to re-em-
bark for that Island; among which was the 6th Bat-
talion King's German Legion.

The Duchess of YORK returned to York House on
Tuesday night, about twelve o'clock, from her visit
to the Princess of WALES.

The PRINCE REGENT returned to town on Tuesday
night, about eleven o'clock, from Ascot Heath Races

WINDSOR, JUNE 16.—This town is quite full, occa-
sioned by the Ascot Races. Our Theatre opened on
Saturday, when that excellent comedian, Mr. MA-
THEWS; performed. Mr. BErrx's Alexander on Monday
night, attracted a crowded house : the play went off
with great spirit, and was succeeded by The Mayor of
Garret, in which Mr. MOORE sustained the part of
Jerry Sneak with considerable comic effect.
Yesterday there was a Court of Aldermen held at
Guildhall, when ROBERT ALBION Cox, Esq. was
sworn in Alderman for the Ward of Aldersgate, in
the room of the late Sir JOHN W. ANDERSON, de
ceased. THOMAS COTHEAD MARSH, Esq. one of
the Sheriffs in nomination for London and Middlesex,
was translated 'PM the Coopers to the Company ofl

COWL ornmairm

PLYMAUIII, JUNE 15.

Arrived the Oftarras,loop of war, from a cruize ;
and the Heart of Oak, With, frr.sia Olouteste; : also
the Swedish galliot Hope, S. LUNDBERG master, from I
Avera, with wine and salt, bound to Gottenburgh ;
and the Spanish ship Aguila, W. LISTON master, from
Buenos Ayres, with tallow and hides, bound to Lon-
don, fourteen weeks passage ; both which put in here
to join convoy. Went up the harbour to be refitted,
the ANDROMACHE frigate.