Star.
London, England, 1824-02-21 00:00:00

With the Peakluioas of amonfai athrash the ionises had
pat ienh, with the gemmed idle he reeeinebrnenr horn
the country, he (hfr.noistislllid kiet nee bow any addi-
,olol force coal& be *skid for. Lei** House pause
ix' fore it cemented to mite *at monstecsas fabric of a
military Eitablishment, whirl might be productive of
se much injury to the entlibtunity. But, says the Nob).
Lod, we have to rat* six regiments. He Mr.
woe) would .ash, Were they wantedfto go to the West
hair? Could net imenles had for those ishmds with-
on raising_Dew'rellirnents?—(Heer, Awe) When his
gaiesty's Ministers wanted a reason to increase the Mi-
sal fistablishnient in the year 1819, what was the
groog reason which they assigned to this House, of which
he Noble Lord was made their instrument? He then rem
;erred to the arrangements made at that period, and read
MIS atraCtS from the documents which set them forth.
lie
then proceeded to make remarks apothem. What
was to be thought of arrangements which at one time
recommended 800 men to form a battalion, at mother
too, and a third 500. When he•took the sense of the
House last year on the Army Estimates, the House did
not agree with him ; notwithstanding, he did not be-
lieve he was then wrong--(iftear, and iewertet). Neither
did he so consider himself now—(Hear). He would
suggest, instead of new regiments being raised, that six
oy seven men should be added to each company in the
regiments which now existed. This would be doing
what the Noble Lord had himself recognised on a for-
me occasion, when the army was increased. But if
Government were determined to proceed with the for-
mation of new regiments, he did her that the most
metitoriousiNficers would be appointed. But his corn-
plaint was, of any additional regimeats,at all—(IIear).
This House *as called on to give its vote for six new
regiments without any sufficient reason being assigned.
And when they are raised, they will not be so efficient
-by one•thirsi as the system he had
,proposed. He knew
imt whether he ltd made himself intelligible or not.
lire Nohle.Lord had spoken of an item of 1651. being
laved in the expenses of eze Military College. - What
was this paltry amount in the enormous sum of sit or
seven millions of money P He (Mr. Hume) trusted that
-the House would express clearly and decisively its dis-
approbation of this measure
,of the Administration.
How could it be reconciled with the Address from the
Throne, and with the Address from this House ? The
Army was mote immediately under the direction of hir.
Majesty, and Ministers ought to have considered this,
recollecting the economy which his MajestysSpeech pro-
fessed, if inieed it was their intention to carry that pro-
fession into effect. But it would seem that there was
no disposition to do so. From the year 1817, we had
gone on adding to our increase of expenses in every de-
partment, which shesved there must be mismanagement
somewhere. A.check ought to be put on pensions ; but
there was none it present. The Noble Lord might be-
stow them as he pleased and he might almost take
them from whom he wished. there certainly ought to
be a check on this branch of the expenditure. Power
was liable to be abused by men, end there were some
cases in which it ought not to be lodged in the breastof
an individual, especially where, the pubic interest was
depending. When Officers for the Veteran Battalions
were wanted, it must be admitted iliac the Noble Lord
had acted with great discretion and justice in filling
them up. The lionoirable Gentleman concluded with
calling on the House to support the folloutiOg Resolu-
tion, which he proposed .as an asnendmeoe to the Noble(
Lord's motion: •
*" That it is the opinion of this; Committee, that as his. Majesty.
was most graciously pleased in fib Speech from the Throne to *-
hem the House, That at no former period- bad- there prevailed
throughout all classes of the cornmeal,* inihis laurel/away:Jager,
hi spirit of order, or a more just sense of the adonneare which,
wider the blessing of Ploviesnce, the yenjoy—in Ireland. which has
fur some time past been the subject of his Mejetty's particular aft
iftioale, there are many indicatiOns of antendmeat ; wed hit Majesty
Ries upon grow continued• easdeavours acorn tie welfare and
*pines' et that pan of the United Kinrlorn,c ht jest' hue
commanded us further- to Inform you, that be hie tom mason to
believe that be progress of our internal prosperity and improve,.
went will not be disturbed' by say interraption or Popgun*?
ahead. His Majesty continues. to nodes Ow* the Youtems, his
Mile', and generallylsons all frinoesAut *Naos iesitranot. otthdr
earnest desire to =intake sad enltivAte the relations frienda dP.
with his Majestt ; and nothing is omitted out his littiosty's port, as
'well to reserve general peace as to remove any mute of' ~mt.
aunt, and to draw closer the bosda.otandty between other oakum
ad Great Britain.' This Committee, theferooas. =POO Wee tni
et Increase in the numbers of tire; aouy as. it Was tonnitatetk last.
par; but are of opinion that isapoo regular treasure* ot
25,000 artillerymen, veterans, and marines, with the wile
tors, and yeomanry cerise; ussullitient• for theindisielee JIB
lato; and therefore.they do- not feel theta:selves- caplet to Nee
Pr an additional number of men." '
Hr. BROGDEN, the Chairman, said, the usual Emdelite
tf Arnehdment was to. propose- diffeient figures.
Mr. HUME pressed his Amendment irraho forst mi•
foully proposed, embodying reasons for the redaction,
sad quoting Ilse Lug's Speech favour of eatmemey,
madidescriptive of the cheerful, contented; and peonsie•
ing Stale of the country.
Mr. St MtDON observed, that tbe state df the Colo-
lies was a main reason for the increase of the Army.
Though he did not wish to be considered one of the un-
happy West India Pmprietors, who were now regularly
abused in and out of the House, he approve& of the
proposed increase of the Army. About two thogsand
five hundred men had been sent to the West Indies, on
the calculation that' arliament would enable the mai-
ler to be replaced.- Great efforts had been madeto pro-
duce a West India debate; he lamented that the Mem-
ber for Aberdeen (Mr. Hone) had se alluded to it; but
be trusted that the Ministers would not say one word on
the subject—and then he hoped all would be peace and
tranquillity--(Hear). Besides the Colonies, there, were
other reasons for the increase—the state of Europe,
which was by no means settled—i• Hear, hear.)
',lir W. DE CRESPIGIVY wished that the Govern-
ment would speak out on this Subject; and if forces
were to be had in the West -Indies,-that the Horn:Surat:4e
Member for Bramber would be made the Galardi:time
of them--(Some laagheer).
General GASCOYNE spoke in favour of the increase
Proposed by the Government.
.Saying nothing about
40 state of the West India Colonies, the changes of regi-
ments required it ; for some of the regiments had been
abroad 25 or 27 years—(Haar). Was it right that men
should be so long exiled from their country P--(Hear).
It Was said, quiet Ireland, and thenthe increase would
not be wanted. But Ireland could not be quieted; at
last no means for accomplishing that desirable object
had yet been provided—( Hear, dear, from Arr. Hunry
and others)—not such as had received- the sanction of
that House—(Hear, hear.) He again expressed his
opinion against the doctrine that all vacancies ought to
be filled up with half-pay officers while any remained. -
Colonel WODEHOUSE spoke of the disastrous ef-
fect,. that had attended .inan ytegiments sent abrondi one
sent to Barbadoes had lost twenty. Officers andaKkaranx:
!lid that in consequence of being sent thither is thous,
bedithy season, when there was theory for economy and