Star.
London, England, 1823-03-06 00:00:00

Mr. Parker was an emigrant to the Cape of Good
Hope, where lie was so unfortunate as to meet with
losses in his speculation. These losses, however, the
Petitioner went on to attribute to Colonel Bird's being
a Jesuit.. Ile never thought of attributing his, mis-
fortunes. en the natural causes of rust in the wheat,
And othets *proceeding fro,i, the climate. Then this
Gentleman went on very jesuitically to connect the
subject of his losse, with the establishment at Stoney-
burst. Nothing, in fa:t, could be less connected
than the subject of the Petition, which was one of
private grievance, and the discussion into which the
Hon. Baronet had led the Hou,e, He was surprised,
that ss hen the Hon. Baronet had given notice of this
Petition, and therefore had ?tad at least twenty-four
hours to consider of it, he should not have been able
to make out a better chain of connection. It the
Henonrable Baronet would pi esent a Petition which
ermined itself to the matter of grievance, he assured
him he would be ready to give the House same in-
formation to form a judgment upon it. And he as-
tured the Henourable Baronet, that so voluminous
and prolix were the statements sent in to the Colo-
nial Office by this Gentleman, that if he were to give
them to the Honourable Baronet, they would occupy
him twenty-four hours longer before he could make
anything of them.. And when he told the Hoo,e,
that in almost every one of them the failure of the
harvest was attributed to Colonel Bird being a Je-
suit, they would excuse him for not having answered
every one of his communications. He must again
express his surprise at die lion. Baronet's having
sanctioned the Petition he had brought forward. if
the Hon. Baronet agreed with the Petitioner, that Je-
suitry could have the effect of spoiling the harvest,
and doing that which others thought to be beyond
all human controul, he could only say that he must
infer that the lion. Baronet's opinioleon the subject
of agricultural distress was no longer what it used to
be—(llene, and lanetier).
Mr. HOBHOUSE rose, to tell the Honourable Ba-
ronet why he had laughed. It was because he had
gone on to attribute every evil known to afflict Le-
land, even, he bel;eved, to the failure of the potatoe
-crop, to the Jesuits. Withnut meaning personal dis-
respect, he could not help smiling at the pieiposel for
us to imitate the example of his 'to tarian Majesty,
who expelled the Jesuits from his domieions. He
.should be glad to see this Petitioner come to the Bar
of the House, and be itig a Jesuit in his hand. He
should like to see such a thing as a Jesuit, for he had
travelled far, and conle,sed he had never had the
good fortune to fall in with one. lie should like to
see one at the Bar, that the House might know what
sort of an animal it was the Government of this coun-
try had to contend against—(Hear).
Mr. HUME thought that Mr. Porker had a fair
charge against the Colonial Government, but ad-
mitted that he had not stated the greunds of it in
this Petitio t. He wished the Hon. Member for Ar-
magh would state, in his piece, w :ere the institutions
of Jesuits were founded in Ireland. Ile had been in-
formed that there was no such thing, although he
(Mr. Home) shoals! have no objection to their being
spread all over the country. e
Mr. BROWN LOW said, that the Petitions he had ,
lately le esented came f‘ um a number of most re-
spectable ineivi.inais in Ile:county of Armagh, linen-
drapers and °the:s, ti.l;o-cte firmly persuaded of
the existence of Societies in Ireland. Since
Itialciog that cornmeeication in the House, he had
xeceive2 many letters from d7frei Len parts of Ireland,
thanking Lira for hevinn- dune so, -and confirming
the truth of the stateeitit. These persons al as•
seeted. that one Jesuit institution sea, in the county
of Kildare, and he (Mr. 11:ownli.w) had no doubt
whatever that it was sr). .

Mr. M. FITZGERALD admitted the irrelevancy I
of the discussion iota which the !Lime had been led.
He, however, would take the liberty of extending
it, so far as to remind the I louse of a letter of Lord
.Sidmouth, some time back, in which it was stated
to be an insuierable objection on the part of the
Prince Regent and the Government, to the establish-
ment of Jesuit Societie, in Ireland. It appeared that
the Pope had given for answer to Cardinal Gonsalvi,
that he would not authorize the restoration of the
Order on that plea ; and it was therefore plain that,
if they did exist, it was contrary to the injunction of
the Pope, contrary to the law of the realm, and thci e-
fore they might by law be put down.
Sir H. PARNELL did not think that the Society
of Jesuits existed in this country or in Ireland.—
As to the mansion stated to have been bought by Dr.
Murray, near Dublin, it was for-the purpose of ex-
tending schools all ova:- Ireland, from which the poor
derived the greatest benefit.—The Petition was then
brought up and read.
Sir 'l'. LETHBRIDGE, in moving that the Peti.
tion be laid on the table, took occasion to say, for
the benefit of the Colonial Secretary opposite (Mr.
Wilmot), that he was no more to be told how he was
to employ his time in the mar niniT. than how he was
to give his vote in the evening. He must say, in op-
position to the Ilon. Secretary, that be never saw a
clearer chain of connection than between the aver-
ments of the Petition and what he had said.—The
Petition was then.ordered to be printed.
ORANGE INSTITUTIONS. _ _ _

Mr. A I3ERCROM BY .stated the motion which he
• was about to submit to the House was-not calculated
• to interfere in any way with that of which notice had
been given by the Hon. Member for Armagh. That
• Pon. Gentleman proposed to ra;se.a question on the
conduct of the King's Attorney-General in Ireland.
It was not intended to deny that the law warranted
the course which had been pursued, but the discre-
tion exercised by the Attotney-General would be
called in question-in a particular case, where an ex-
officio information had been filed by the Right Hon.
Gentleman. He stated thus much to spew that the
motion of the Hon. Gentleman (the Member for Ar-
magh) was very different from that now to be sub-
mitted to the consideration of the House. The motion
of the Hun. Member for Armagh was of a limited
and temporary character, beginning and ending with
the partictdar circumstances to which it referred.—
The present one was of a general nature and durable
character, and related •to that situation of things
which must endure so long as Orange Clubs or any
other Associations, founded on -exclusive principles,
-continued to exist. To him(Mr. A bercromby.), there-
fore, the present motton.did not seem at all to inter-
fere with that of the Hon. filember for Annagh ; and
he had been surprised on a former night, when he

Iwas requested to postpone it in consideration of die!
notice which bad been given. He was unprepared
!for the appeal which had been made, but, acting from
his reason at the moment, he had refused to put it
ofF; and subsequent reflection had served but to con-
vince him that, in coming to that determination, he
was right—(Hear).—ln order to avoid all misappre-
hension, he begged to state that it was not his inten-
tion to allude to the merit or demerit of Lord Wel-
lesley's government, and it was not his purpose to
bring forward anything that would at all connect
itself with the Catholic Question. The motion with
which he should conclude was one which he con-
sidered entitled 40' the vote of those who were un-
willing to concede the claims of the Catholics, and
also those who were most anxious for the removal of
the disabilities of which that important body corn-
phoned. It had been said that this motion would
be likely to cause great heat and much agitation.—
He did not expect this would be the case generally,
though such might be the case in particular quarters,
where persons were acting under what he called the
Orange System—(Hear).—The subject was one which
appeared to him most fitting to be brought under the
consideration of Parliament. If the Orange Institu-
tions could be maintained on the ground that they
were necessary to the peace and good order of Ire-
land, then.let truth prevail, and let their friends fairly,
openly, and manfully defend them. If, on the con-
trary, it should be proved that they tended to irritate',
the people of Ireland, and were subversive of peace
and good order, then also let truth prevail, and let
those Associations be put down—(Hear, hear).—The
present motion, he would not conceal from the House,
was one in which the Catholics of Ireland were much
intereqed, hut, in his opinion, it was not less impor-
cant
to the Protestants. Though anaons for the well
being of both parties, he preferred the .Coestitution
to the separate interests of either Catholic or Protest-
ant,
and it was in the hope of being enabled to secure
to the people of Ireland the blessings of an undivided
Constitution, that he was encouraged to come for-
ward on the present occasion—Vleary—lt was not
his purpose to impute motives to any individual, or
to any bandy of men, acting under the Orange Sys-
tem.
What lie wished to attack was the system itself.
That system, he maintained, was unconstitutional—
in.many respects illegal, and had been productive of
the most serious evils. Ile considered it a great mis-
fortune tbr Ireland that ever this system had been
introduced at all, and he wished to prove that it waz
against the interests of all parties, and totally subver-
sive of the legitimate controul of good Government.
To trace the evil to its origin he must open that por-
tion of history which commenced w ith the fecal of
Earl Fitzwilliam from Ireland, in 1795, and was
completed by the Act of Union between England and
Ireland. No man could turn back to that period
without regret, who took into Iris consideration the
consequences of that recal—(Year).—ile begged not
to be supposed to speak now as to the merits or de-
merits of the renal. Ile would only say, that the
appointment of Earl Fitva Wiam,.and his recur], ex-
hibited a strong and convincing pr'oof that the worst
policy with respect to the Government of Ireland
was a vacillating and indeci,ive coarse—( Hear).—
Considerable hopes and fears had been excited by the
appointment of Lord Fitzwiliiam. The tears of those
who expected to lose their power in consequence of,
his appointment, ultimately procured his recal, while],
those .rho had hoped tidy:ire:l7;e from his adnrinistra-
thin were plunged in the deepest disappointment by
that event. lie feared it was too true that those ahe
had prevailed at that period mar keJ their triumph
by the increased severity of their rule. Never had

anything more disgraceful or more atrocious occurred
than what had :::ken place in the county of Armagh:
Tire county was divided between two parties, the one
called the Catholics, the other the " Peep of Day
Boys.", The Pecp of Day Boys had the ascendancy,
as they greatly surpassed their opponents in numbers,
and a war of the most atrocious character was carried
on agahrst the Catholics. In the p: oceedings which
then wok place, the Peep of Day Boys were judges,
prosecutors, witnesses, jut ors, and executioners. In
this way it xs as that the war between the parties was
prosecuted. The unhappy Catholics were finally ex-
pelled and driven away wish their families from the
county. It might be thought that he overstated the
case; but to prove that he :lid not, he would read to
the House w hat bad been said by Lord Gosford, at
a Mee:ing of the Magistrates in the month -of No-
vember, 1795. One t,f the Resolations proposed at
that meeting declared the county of Armagh to be at
present in a state of disorder, and represented the
Etonian Catholics to be constantly exposed to nightly
attack from lawless and unknown persons. It was
on this resolution that Lord Gosford made that speech
Pram which he would now read a passage.—(The
Learned Gentleman read a part of the speech which
he had mentioned, which decribcd the secret perse-
cutions and the ferocious cruelty which pursued the
Catholics). N.tr age, it went on, nor sex, nor ac•
knowledged innocence, could afford security—(Hear).
The only crime charged was one which was easily
proved, that the patties professed the Roman Ca-
tholic faith, or were intimate with persons of that
persuasion. The most lawless proceedings had fol-
lowed, amounting to nothing less than a confiscation
of property, and the proscriptions of that day had
exceeded, in regard ro the number ruined, every ex•
ample which ancient or modern history could
supply. In December, 1795, the Learned Gentle-
man continued, a battle was fought between the Peep
of Day Boys and the Roman Catholics, in which the
Peep of D'ay Boys were victorious, and it was shortly
after that event, that the first Orange Lodge was
opened—(Hear, hear).—He wished to direct the at-
tention of the House to the origin of this Association,
because that would justify him in saying that a great
and fa al error had been • committed by those who
had assumed that particular name, as the effect of it
was to perpetuate Associations which, while they
were retained in the mind, could not but tend to
disturb the general tranquility, and made it almost
impossible to hope for that harmony -and good-will
which every friend to the country must desire to see
established. Immediately after the name to which
he objected had been assumed in December, 1795,
this Association had strewn itself anxious to extend
its influence in every possible way, and had become
connected with very important transactions. Toi
thew the House what had been the professed object,
lof the Orange Clubs, he would direct attention to
two sets of their resolutions, embodying their eon-
Istitution, in 1800 and 1820. The general nature of.