Star.
London, England, 1801-12-05 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The Bill for Funding a certain number of Embolism Itllt
was read a third time, and pawl; ZONIS the EH to prohibit
the campmate), and to encourage the importation at Provilloss
for a limited thne.--They were both tent to the Lords.
The DM for Mang Five Militate by Inhere; 818., paired
thralls a Committee Report aedered fur to. snow.
The Houk refaived into a Committee on the Prise Goods
Bill.—Watt through the Houfe, and ordered to be reported to-
ounrow,
Read a (mond time Me Orgazzined Silk EGLii.Corramitted fur

tO.IIIOITOW.
Col. Sr peefented a Petition horn the Prifeasar Coo-
fined for Debt an Lanealter Cash—Ordered colic on tie Table-
Poltponed till Monday the Conandnoes olSopply abiiWaya
and Mesa.

CIVIL LIST.

fifr. Jarrear's gave notice, that immediately
after the communication refpcaing the fliste of the
Civil Lift, of which the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer had given notice, was brought forirard, bC
fhouldfubnut to the confider:Won of the Houfe a
motion relative to their Royal Iliglusefres the
Prince and Princefu of Wales.

DISTILLIMITS.

Mr. VAssisTART moved for leave to bring in a
Bill to prohibit the dillillation of fpitits from wheat
in Ireland,
Sic JONV ArAllini made a few obfervations on
this Motion, and profeffed himielf uncertain whe-
ther fuch a prohibition as that propofed did not
already cola among the names of the hi% Par-
liament. If, however, any new prohibition was
to be made, he thought that it: ould with much
more propriety be applied to oats, which conftitut4
ed a very important part of the food of the lower
orders in Ireland in 3 variety of difttiifts.
Mr. Coats, was againft the rettriftion fuggefted
by the Hon. Baronet, and (toted, that in the dif-
tillefies of Ireland, pats formed a capital part of '
the grain which they confirmed in their helmets.
Mr. Wi :Anemic; was extremely anxious that
the prohibition of Gots &ould be introduced both
in this country and in Ireland. ' Gentlemen in
(peaking on this fubjea, did not [rem to confider
how extenfive the ufe of bread made frqm oats
was in the Northern parts of the kingdopi, and
that every arrment which applied againft the dif-
tilladon of fpinte from wheat applied to this other
fpecies of grain in a (Lill ftronger ftree. He de-
precated ftrongly the inexpediency of coming to a
holly decifion on fo important a fubje&, and re-
commended a more mature and tenons invelliga-
tion of it after the reeds. He added a number of
ohfervations to this effeet, and reafoned a good
deal in fuch a way as !hewed that be entertained
confiderable doubts about the expediency of taking
off the rearaints from the dill3lcries at the prefent
moment. _ _ _

The Cx•vcet.Lne of the Excntopta rote to
reply, and let out with remarking, that he was
as anxious as his Hon. Friend could be to avoid
any hafty icfolution. He could not help obferv-
ing, however, that with thefe profeffions the ten-
dency of his Hon. Friend's obfervation was to in-
volve the Houle in that very bafty refolution
which he leaned fo anxious to deprecate. For
the Houle would recollect, that on the tit of Ja-
nuary the prohibitions againft the working of the
Diltillerics would expire of themfelves, unit& re-
newed by a formal derifion, and Inch a decifion
his Hon. Friend, from the whole cepa:lr of his
fpeech, appeared anxious to recommend. The
motion now offered to the Houfc, on the other
hand, did not, in the fmalleft degree, involve any
premature decifion, but was merely intended to
extend to Ireland a falutary reltriition which al-
ready exitied in this country. The whole of the
arguments which his Hon. Friend had urged,
though profeffing to refer merely to the prohibi-
tion of the life of oats in diollation, certainly did
apply with equal, or perhaps ratter face, againtt
Diltilleries in general; anet'aserefore be
b
the indulgence of the Houk, *make a few abler-
rations on the general principle'of the prisPriety of
allowing the Diftilleries to renew their labours in
the pretest fituation of the country, It was.pain-
ful to him to be under the neceffity of oppofing an
opinion which was very generally prevalent ; but
he had laid it down as an invariable principle of
conduit, that no ceofideration fhould induce him
to compromife his opinions, however they might
countered fentiments which were confidered to be
popular, or prevent him from upholding what he
was perfuaded was calculated for the true ittterea
and permanent benefit of the country, even againit
prejudices of the &maga kind. He felt it, how-
ever, to be his duty, when (peaking of opinions
which had obtained a very general prevalence, to
be cautious pf applying to them the epithets of
prejudices. Their prevalence he &odd ever con-
fider as a ground fur him to fufped the truth and
propriety of the opinions he himfelf held, to in-
quite with anxiety on What fide truth really was
placed, and to afcertain whether thofe opinions
which (elf--love might incline him to concave as
true. were not founded in error, and were not
adually and truly as injurious as thole which be
was fo eau to condemn. In coufequence of inch
confiderations it was, that be had for the tall four
or fire months employed all the confiderations on
this important fubjed which numerous other am.
cations would allow, and the refult of his delibe.
rations had been, that be could not fee any ergo.
ment whatever to &tidy his mind that the dial
leries Osould not be allowed to refume their la
' bottrs. In deciding upon this queftion he called
upon the Houle to recoiled what the dream-
fiances were in which the country now flood ?
Within the salt century the population cf the king
door hal experienced a very rapid increafe, and it
Iwas undinobtedly true that. within the laft nine co
tot years, during which we had got into out bands

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the trade of almoft the whole %mild. confitmpti
had increafed in an extraordinary degree.
Gentlemen would take the trouble to hiok (li-
the papers which were at different times laid
the table of the I luufe, they would find that int
portation, not merely in defedive feafons, but i
ordinary years within the period he had laft fpeci
fed, had prodigioufly increafed. From wli
eagles thefe effects had flawed was a natural o
jea of inquiry, and he would fL utly gate to
'logic what was one important caufe which ha
produced In important a change. A great pro,
portion oldie capital which formerly was employ,
ed on other objedts was, on the profped of a mar
ket fo favourable and fo extenfive as the war pre.
Tented, turned into the channels of trade. and itr
dividuals who were formerly enabled to gain about
Bs. a week by their labour, had obtained a large in,
ereafe, and this in its turn was neceilarily followed
by a fiiperior mode of living, and by a new in.
creak of confumption. Under fuch a new preffureo
production had ceafed to be adequate to the de.
• mends which were made upon it, and agriculture,
with every exertion which it could ufe, was unable
to keep pace with the growth of confumption.--
Every effort was indeed- ufed to countered this eft
fed, and the number of Bills for the improvement
of lands formerly walk and uncultivated, fufaei.
ently lbeweil what means were employed to eaten
the agricultural refources of the country. Th
refources be nulled would, at no very remote
vial, be found adequate to the demands of our or
dinary copfumption. Such being, however,
prefent the fituation in which we were plaeed,what
were the principles op which we were called
to aft ? We were Called Vlpoll to remove every e
igiug edified; to cultivation, to ahitain from every
fort of interference with the economy of trade, bud
to avoid every meafure which bad the &sad
tendency to check the progrefs of produdion.—
This was the condat which policy always did,
and always would didatt. Even in the left faxes
of Parliament, when the diftrefs of the country was
extreme, it was not withoot pain that the Lrygilla-
tore agreed to the meafure of promoting initiortap
ti„ by bounties. It was never till the proffers
becapie extreme in this country thimfound policy
would warrant any interference frith the general,
economy of trade, or that a wife Legiflature
would take any flep which might have the effect at
difiouraging the farmer in has endeavours to
create predation. How then did the cafe bell
when thefe principles'wero applied to the fubjeg
before the Houfe It mull he on the
general with not to interfere with trade,
when a ftrong cafe of the neceilky of fuch inter&
mice exiled, This 11/3S4ile didate of found policy,
and found policy evinced the expediency *fallowing
the application of grain to a variety of purpafes.
The diftilleries then prefented one grand field fat
loch fpeculations. Did any one, he defired is
know, doubt that the diftilleries.had given rife se
a great iocreafe in the predation of barley in the
country ; and was any one prepared to deny the
if once you admitted the propriety of prolaik
ing diftilaii from oats, the Houfe might gods
to fuck n prohibition with refpcit to barley, and*
proceed from ftep to Rep till they had difcoverei
by fatal experience the impolicy of their comb&
and be obliged at hat to return to that wife (yam
of Le illation which they bad imprudently gas.
cloned? The qnettion was now then, wilt:sheets&
a neceffity crated as couldpoffiblyjultify theHoufe
in continuing the
_prohibitions on the operations d
the diftilleries He defired that, in deciding this
queftion, the different purpofes to which barley
was applied might be fairly confident'. Barley
was applied in fosse diftrids of the country is
the puk of making bread; in others it was id
in'
-fmig !wine, and generally for malting iit
breweries, and for the ufe of the diftilleries. hi
confidering the firft of thefe purpofes he had tore.
mark, that if the relative price of what and ter.
ley was attended to, it would be fern that the if.
ference was not fuch as to prefent a strong induct
meat to prefer the ufe of one fora of bread to the
other, but if they were difpofed to give npfudas
preference they could have the Quarter 100 st
(even-pence, which was ftirely a reafonable prim
No argument could therefore be employed unit
the propriety of allowing the diftillenes to retime
their label= Irons an idea that it would injure du
public by enhancing the price of bread. Nor
viewing the ufe of barley in feeding hogs did it sp.
pear to him that there was any neceffity for coca.
nuiog the prohibition on the diltilleries. Thep.
dation of vegetables of every defcription lab yor
ohardo.onitawanysygtearner
wahlliay
fides barley, which was coufeffedli the moll pre
acclomadittbecel,eneumeratedxceeded that.
If.
dative, there were two other fpecies of terrible.
peas and potatoes, which wee likewife uncommis.
ly abundiht. They were very generally emplofoi
ley
would not be
thepurpore of feelentgeiraryfwifie and therefore bee'
for that
but even if it was smeltery. it was to be
thdiatftilitheitiesouwasmberenooftinfwiounue dsobfyarthethereroftdr d
wasoothie..
conni.ge diailurks
innotlongeLere nowcontinning
expofed. tberat
in which
offal of the diftilleries was indeed capable 011
fo advantageopfly employed in the way be
now Rated, that it was a matter of cottfidertih
doubt whether the advantage derived to the pi
lic by the cheapnefs of animal food, did not sea
than compenfate any lots of grain which the dM
levies might occafion. As to the other ufe. MY!'
ley, in malting and in the diftilleries,be bat
readyaftatbreedadthafrtoln: effect would
of
be _
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price 0.
fumed. But there was a view of the fajta s
which be had not yet adverted, which affadd.
very gross argument in favour of the pofirnts:
was attempting to eltablifh. By the laws
tn_w_l,l
4ow good in Ireland, the exportation of hanky
whenever the price exceeded nrwr_
three (billings per quarter, and thus this coo!!!
had no means of enjoying any advantage
ftaa
the extreme abundance of the crop in that
-If Ireland was prohibited from exporting 71;
was unsucefary for her home cmfoniPtWa:_,;„
July other way of employing the farlilas..E:
was bY 'permitting the "main of the die
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extraordinary degree.
ke thetrouble to look ov
at different times laid
re, they would find that in
in defe&ive feafons, but i
the period he had Lift fpcci
ly increafed. From wh
id flowed was a natural o
se would &only Rate to
important eau& which
n a change. A great pro
which formerly was employ
as. on the profpea of a mar
fo extenfive as the war pr
be channels of trade, and
rmerly enabled to gain abo
boar, had obtained a large "
:lITIII was neceffArily followed
living, and by a new in.
I. Under fuch a new preffure
to be adequate to the de.
ade upon it, and agriculture,
rhich it could ufe, was unable

growth of confumption.
ed ofed to countera& this
of Bills for the improverne

fte utd uncultivated, fa '
ans were employed to ext
aces of the country.
rould, at no very remote
ate to the demands of our or
Such being, however,
which we were placed, what
p which we were called npq
led upon to remove every e
ismion, to ahttain frum every
ith the economy of trade, and
ire which had the flualleft
to progrefs of produtftion.—
ft which policy always did.
Rate. gven in the left fefficiu
the dißrefs of the country was
without pain that the Legifla.
eafure of promoting imports.
was never till the prillire
his country Ssifound policy
interference the general
or that a wife Legiflature
which might have the elicit el
mer in his endeavours to is.
How then did the cafe Rani
t'were applied to the fubjea
tmuil, he conceived, be the
• interfere with trade, -e
if the neceffity of fuch interfo
ras.the dilate of found policy,
ced the expediency of allowag
ain to a variety of purpok..
prefented one grand kid for
Did any one, he defend to
e diftillerics had given rife to
to produilion of barley in the
ny one prepared to deny that
d the propriety of prohibit.
oats, the Houfe might go as
with retiree to barley, and k
• Rep till they had difcovered
the impolicy of their conduit.
to return to that wife fyftens
they had imprudently abea-
m was ;..ow then, whether fuch
could poiLblyjaftify the Houk
kibitions on the operations d
defired that, in deciding the
• purpoies to which barley I
be fairly conftdered. Barley
e ditbisfts of the country to
tg bread; in others it was tied
nd generally for malting is
be tile of the diaillerice. Is
of thefe purpoks he had tore.
lative price of wheat =4 bar
it would be ken that the 4
as to pretext a ftrong induce.
fc of one fort of bread to the
rere difpofed to give apical a
tad have the quartern loaf st
was furely a reafonable price.
therefore be employed pot
wing the diftilknes to roma
a idea that it would injure the
the price of bread. Nor*
eley in feeding hogs did it ap.
re was any neceffity for care.
on the diffillerim The Pr'''
s of every defcription twit year
y admitted, exceeded that d
chmuld be enumerated. 3t`
was coufelfedlf The n of pea
too other fpecies of vegetables.
hich were likewife mama*
were very generally einPlori
:ding (Witte' and therefore MP
• neceffary for that
ceffary. it was to be
twine lid by the refok d
Re
nous. So far there was no iv
continuing the relbsiet
onger
tries were now expofed.
es was indeed capable of
mployed in the way he
was a matter of co
idvantage derived to the
of animal food, did sot "E
lots of grain which the dhi
a As to the other ark
in the diftilkries, be hng
elicit would be felt tint
the quantity of barley e*
WAS a view of the labials
et adverted, which ago*"
nt in favour of the patio&
:ftabliih. By the laws as del
the exportation of barleY*ll
tr the price exceeded twat"
tuner, and thus this ceOOOT
enjoying any advantage
inee of die crop in that coon
vihibited from exporting wry:
✓ her home cadoinPties' •
employing
the inrPlas
•
the working of rate diaffo
all Owed in rgiuslu *4"F

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Cootie al Iladinage--1

tes, if diflsllation Wis not permitted to be ear-
. es in a legitimate manner, clandefline means
~. ' it on would certainly be reforted to,
g. y no country abounded snore than
„aid inibe means of fuch clandefline trade...-
1%70 knpoifible to urge that fpirits thus illegally
0-pernd could not be imported into this country,
One al the articles of the Union was fu expreff.
Admit it was impoffible to prevent the introdue.
do é fpirits, even when they were improperly
.delandeftinely prepared. The certain effeet of
iliswoold be, that while revere tellraints were
La Iselin regular difliller, the clandeftine trader
;Tad be gaming immenfe profits,, the market
viad be flocked with the article even when its
ionfeetire was prohibited, and the fame titian-
*, drain would be employed as would he (til-
lage to curry on the regular trade, with being
apeenpanicd with a tingle correfponding benefit
0 die financial refources of the country. Under
ibdi eiseninfiances be would alit, was it fair to
with unneceltary rellraints men of wfpettable
airsaers, engaged in a capital branch of trade ?
wkat war to be the refult of fuch reßraints ?
iwa, ie not to be that of fhaking the confidence
es mat divifion of the trading intereft and capi-
NI a the kingdom, to difincline their minds to
for, and to induce them to withdraw
loss a tinde in which they could look for no
islie profits, and no fecurity for the continuance
/digs. 'stations ? To compel commercial men
..* take Rich a Rep. was Cutely not the policy of a
• oaf overtiment, and snore efpeeially it was not
j iralley_ tonfifient with the genius and habits of
tbe 'NW& confiltution. Much anxiety was ex-
-about the effera which the profnea of the
p
- ccidared;
aad—yofhl:ehewaltbdittodriaseuenert
voi ettehs
ryereet)lxiwouldexperience
aleen:
ihy
efap
envtecec
hi.
io n
ofs a
of
hft
hp!rea)en_ pricetigrain.a
height full sciently j?Rified him in the opinion
tiestatained.. During that time an expeetatiOn
prevailed that the diftilleries would be re-
and the price of barley had not only not
fikbotbadetpctienteda confideriblediminution.
ii.from thisexpedtation provifion hid been made
fortbe demand which the difilleries were likely to
locate, the price was gradually adapting idelf to
in 'foal quantity of grain in the country, and
iodic price had begun to fall, he hoped it would
be long meet its proper level. After a few More
SinarkS on this point, the Right Honourable
poldeman &Included by giving his hearty affent
tithe prefent motion.
Ms Witssaroact and the Cmaxcettoit of the
isentossa fuccetfively explained.
Ilfr. ALSIIIIDIR IflnS in favour of the Motion,
aid fated tome very thong fa;Sts in corroboration
of what 6:d been faid of- the clandeffine trade
tarried on is Ireland in the difillation of fpirits.
Mr. W. DUNDAS liat-d that oats were not em-
ployed
in Scotland in working the diailleries. He I
was friendly to the re-opening of the di Itilleries ; and '
fo far from being convinced that the prices were
at prefent too high in that country, he thought it
was a f of doubt whether they were rot too
-low, ' the high price which the farmers
coVerwearm
rid for their s.
• Lord GLlllnsavis alluded to the circumflanee
lb& in narking the din illeries a great part of un-
asked barley was employed ; and that this foc-
i:es of grain was not fit either for malt or for the
asaufatlure of bread. In Scotland he undertiood
tim this was not lets than one-third, fo that out
' 'lda quantity of barley ufed in the dikilleriest
''third unfit for the food of man was to be de-
&fed. His Lordthip added a few more remarks
e this purport, and ended by expreffing his ap-
pellation of the original Motion.
Mr. Ross Paid a few words, and took occalion
to fate, that he could not poffibly agree with thole
silo thought the diflilleries would have no effee
a raifmg the price of grain.
After a few more remarks from Mr. Corry, Mr.
Speaker, and the Chancellor of the Vxchequer,
the motion was agreed to, and leave given to bring
is the Bill.

Mr. Vairsirrarr then prefented the Irifh Wheat
Wier, Prohibition Bill.—Read the firft tide,
and Ordered for the fecond reading to-morrow.

LONDON.

SATDIDAY. DEC- lank s.
num OP STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK:

Coale for oraing, goti—Rechned 6,11.
4 pr Cat.isif-5 per C0nt.1197 soyi-..- Long Ana. 10 1-06.
Omloan asi.

TRICS Of STOCKS TisTisDAT.
isk MOUS Long Acts. ig i so
SPrCt.Re4.O4l i heap. 3 per Cent. 64 I
igee Ct. C.a4 bet SAO& 'ticket% a/69-
SW can. 1777 ssi i - ki Tidies at
ipa Ceat.sm 9!t,! 1 Cont. far op. as; 691 691

11.
)übltei on London in}.

This moming we received French Journals to
de loth of Frintaire, (December tit, inclurive,)
They were brought over by the packet which
brought the regular Mail which is 'tow eitablithed
between the two countries.

The Maitarr of the 9th Frimaire, (Nov. 304
cootains a copy of the deliberations of the Coun-
cil of War, convoked by General Maxey on the
Mt of Aupft, previous to the furrender of Alex-
andria. It occupies three columns, and exhibits
a minute Rate of the lituation of the French
may, and of its refources at the time of the ca.
Pdtdation. The fame paper contains a copy of
the ankles of the capitulation.
Theft journals contain, all*, tome further ac-
count of the proceedings of the I.cg•flativc 130,17 ,
in regard to the Treaties of Peace concluded by
the Republic with the different Powers of Europe.
For other particulars fee the preceding columns.
Di patches were yefterday received at the AJ-
zoirahy Office, from the Cape of Good Hope : the
ct:2007 and fleet at the time the difpatches cam:
4-;, was ia good bolsi) and in the kit coda.