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war, than fobrnit to any ecnditionr of peace deroga-i
tory to thefe Wands. The humiliating terms pro-I
pnfed were themfelves a difgrace which he witnellid
with impatience and anxiety. The material error in
the treaty perhaps was its procrallination ; yet when
he looked to the weighty refponfibility of fucfi a situa-
tion as.that held by a 144 ble L rd, a determination
on fuch a fubjeet muff be preceded by long and fe-
rious confideration. We were now, again. however,
engaged in the contefl, and he thought we could not
cepa& the afliflance of PROVIDFNCE toilers we, by
our own petfonal erections, endeavoured to proteet
our own rights, by a bold and manly application of
the power with which we were entrutled. His Lord-
fhip adverted to the deportment of France in the ne•
gociation, in which he raid there was " damning
proof" of the moll flagitious conduei, and he com-
mented with great warmth upon the intidious arts of
that- Government. He had inquired of- .la.rd L tit.
derdate.whether he had received a letter before he
quitted France, which had appeared in the Moniteur,
but was not introduced among the docinnents on the
table of the Houfe, in which language was tried which
muff excite the utruoll indignation. His Lortirnip
next examined,ferichw, all the I arts of the rot refpon-
dence referable to the queflion of the uti pcpetn,
from all which he concluded, that there was no pal.'
(age to warrant the allegation that Inch was the balls
of the negotiation. The palrage in the letter of the!
Ili of April, was the only one at all bearing on the!
quellion, and that was wholly inconclufive. The way
to examine the fubjeet was, firft, to fee if the letters!
had any reference to the utipojSktir. and then to cow
fider the meaning of the terms. The firll Ilep had)
already been taken, it remained only to atter d to the
words. If he were to ray to any one of their Lord-
fhips, " you (hall have the satipcgaiiir," it would im•
ply that you should keep what you had got ; it would,
in the cafe ora mutual contraet, imply more—" I
will keep what I have got ;" and in a public negotia-
tion, in which nations were concerned with their Al.
lief, it would indicate. that all (hould retain that which
they already poffeffed. in the whole hiflory of di-
plomacy, he believed, there was no inflance of the vii
poiruktirbe;ng eflablithed as the balls of a treaty on
fuch vague conjecture, yet that was the ground on
which the Chief of France was told he fhould enjoy
all the van conquefts of his ambition, and to us it war.
to be faid, " you (ball have Hanover for the honour
of the Crown, and the Cape for the credit of the
Navy." He heartily concurred in the general deign
of the Addrefs ; and with refpeet to the other parti-
culars on which he had infifted, he thought it might
properly be the fubjeet of a feparate motinn.
Lord GRENVILLE replied to the obfervations
which had been made on the other fide of the Houfe.
He was proud to fay, upon this occafion, that every
Member of that enlightened Houfe unanimeufly felt
that the cattle of thik country throughout the nego.
ciation was good as againtt the enemy, and that every
rupport fhould be given to his Majetty in the vigo
rous profecution of the war. The Noble and Learned
Lord (Lord Eldon) had well and eloquently (aid,
that every man that poffefres Britillt feelings fhould
be ready to flied the laft drop of his blood in fupport
of that caulk in which the country is now engaged,
nd in that conteft which the ambition of the enemy
rendered neceffary. If any declaration of the Houfe
fimilar to what had been fuggefled by the Noble and
Learned Lord had been propcfed, he (hould moll
gladly have acquiefeed in it. As their Lordfhips
appeared to be pet fatly agreed upon the main points
in dircuffion, he dia not with to atrell their attention
longer, but he feared that it might appear difie-
fpettful to the two Noble Lords who bad fpoken on
the other fide, as well as to the Houle, if he were'
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not to take fume notice of the nbfervati,•ns that bad

fallen from them. Thefe oblervations appeared to
him not to be of a ferhus complexion ; but, on the
contrary, very minute. They had not Rated that
the caufe of the country was wrong, or that its affairs
were ill managed during the I.tte negotiation—they
only attacked the veracity of Prhe of the Itarements
in his Majefly's declaration. '1 hey did not charge
thofe who advifed his Majelty I recr.mmending to
him to Rate any thing that they did Dot believe to be
true. The Noble and Learned Lord (Lord Eldon)
did not however appear to go the length of Rating
that the allegations in the declaration were untrue,
but merely that they were not borne out by the pa-
pers. He would, however, alk the Noble and Learned
Lord whether there was any thing in thole papers
which contradi4ted the affertion of his Majefty's decla-
ration ? For his parr;he did not conceive that it was
ahfolurely neceffary that there fhould be papers
produced to prove every tingle point in the decla-
ration. There was no reafon to fuppofe that any
objeft could be obtained by putting in it any thing
that was falfe, and he Was furprifed that the Noble
and Learned Lord should have chofen the worn
evidence, in preference to what undoubtedly was
the belt—the evidence of Lord Yarmouth himfelf
upon thole verbal communications from the .French
Government, of which he was the only itners.—
Theonly parties in thofe vet balconfaences were Lord
Yarmouth and the French Minister or Plenipoten-
tiary, and it kemed to be univerfatly allowed, that
the fubflance of thole conferences, as Rated by Lord
Yarmouth, was more to be •depended on thin tl.e
flatements of M. Talleyrand or. hf General Clarke.
If Lord Yarmouth were dead, or "would not (peak,
then it might be afaced, by what official document
thole allegations were proved ? But Lord Yarmouth
direEtly Rates, that in many converfatinns he has h.d
-.with the French Negociators, they rejeded various
other bales of negociation, and particularly feleiied
this of the uti folded:. ' Ifs then, there is no doubt of
the veracity of -Lord Yarmouth, the fait Rated is not
only capable of proof,but has been fully proved. A
kind of a flue appeared to have been thrown out at
the fame time againft the memory of one of the
greaten and ablett Statefmen that this country ever
produced (Mr. Fox) : do man, however, was more
comet than Mr. Fox, or more veiled in all diplAsta-
tic cineßion., and yet that great Statefman did cer.
tainly (tipple that it was on the balis of the red poffi-
delis that the negociation was to be conduelert. Tire
Noble and Learned Loid was laying down new
principles for -negociation, if he fyippoled that it ought
entirely-to be carried on by written documents. The
pratclice was to fettle the points in verbal conferences,
and afterwards to reduce there conferences into the
form of written documents. This was precifely the
cafe in the prefent negociation, and the exprefs rea-
fon for fending Lord Yarmouth back' again to Paris
was, that be appeared to be the fittelt perfou to re•

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