Star.
London, England, 1805-06-29 00:00:00

SATURDAY, JUNE 29, 1805.

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PARLMMENTAIir pRocEEDINc..s.

HOUSE OP LORDS, FRIDAY, JUNE a.
Lord WALSINGHAM prefented a Petitiola on the part of cer-
tain Perfons, againit the Woollen Manuladure Penalty Sufpen-
Gan Bill. It etneluded with requelting permifflon to be heard by
Coward.
The Dike of MONTROSE thought the prater of the Petition
Mould not, under the prefent cireumitanees, be acceded to. The
Ad paired laft Seillon would expire on the eft of July, and tal-
l& continued, as was propofed by the BBD now before the Houte,
many of the Woollen Manufainrers would be fubjedt to tuition!
fur very confiderabie penalties. The whole of the fubjeit wasnow
under confideratiot ; and he hid no doubt that. in the courfe of
next Stifion,a Bill would be brought in who& would fatlsfy all the
parties interefted in the Winds. Under this imprellion, the fat-
penGon was only propofed to be continued until the Mot March.
Lord HOLLAND Paid, he had had little opportunity of afeer-
' taming the precife nature of the prefpt Bill; but, uolefr there
were very cogent rorfuns to the contrary. he thought the ufual
pradtiee of bearing Petitioners by Cowed, Ibould not be departed
from in this infianee.

Lord HAWKESBURY Rated the ground of difpute between
the manufatturers and the workmen, to coefift in the introdudtion
of machinery, which was prohibited by various old !Litotes that
had long ended to be enforced. It was a veal= of eottilderable
difficulty, whether chafe !tames &mkt bestially repealed, or hini
they might be fo modified as to remove aft redouble grounds cif
complaint, on either fide.
Lord HOLI.AND profeffed hirofelf to be fatisfied with the ex-
planation juft given by his Noble Friend, and he Paid be only re-
gretted that the Bill did not go to the total repeal of the ftatdtes iti
queftion.
After a few word, from the LORD CHANCELLOR, the
queftion for hearing Connie' was negatived, end the Bill was,
mediate'', after, read A fecond time.

Lord STANHOPE broughtin a Bill for the better fearing of
Trutt Money. His Lordthip Rated that ferious incooveniencies
had arifen, where truftecs had become infolvent, and that the ob-
jet tof the Bill now p-opcsfed was, to give the parties, for whore
property the money was vetted in trult, a remedy by application
to the Court of Chancety.
The LORD CHANCELLOR expreffed his approbation of the
principle of the ffill, and it we* read a Grit time.
The fecond reading of the Irifh Revenue Regulation Bill was,
on the motion nit Lord HAWKESBURY, poliported to this day
[three months.

The Bill to madam the proceedings in the cafe of Mr. jititiee
Fox, went through a Committee.
The StirotUary Curates' Bill was recommitted, and having
undergone a variety of anwodments, it eras ordered to be reported

HO4JSE OF COMMONS.
The Paddington Caul Bill was read a fecond time, and corn-
mined far Monday.
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The Report wit brought up from the Committee on the Hop
Duty, and tido: Drawback Duties, and Bills ordered to be
brought In puifliant to loch Reports.
The Dublin Bakers Bill was reported, and ordered to be read
a third time oo Monday.
The Lath Harbour 818 was committed, and ordered to be re-
ported on Monday.
The Report of the Corn Bill was brought up, a new clank was
added, providing that the average price of Grain in the Twelve
Maritime Counties of England and Wales, lboold be the standard
for Great Britain. The Bill was then reported, and ordered to
be read a third time on Monday.
Mr. SHERIDAN moved the Committee on the Inc of Manßill.
Mr. CURWEN declared that he was refolved to take the !ask
of the Houle upon it.
After a few obfervations from other Honourable Members, the
Houle divided.
For the Committee so—Againit it au—Majority 28.
A Meffage was brought down from the Lords, Rating that their
Lordthips had agmed to Mr. Pitt's Indemnity Bill, the Land Tax
Redemption, Crinan Canal, and two or three other Bills of a more
private nature. • _ _

Certain Accounts of Intereit on Exchequer Bills were prefented
and ordered to be laid on the Table.

The Order was rcad, That the Southern Whale Filbery Bill be
referred to a Committee of the whole Houfe.
Mr. BARHAM expreffed a with that fome delay might take
place before any further progrcfs was made in this Sill, in ordy
that the Petitioners might havean opportunity of being heard againft
the Bill. They were Americana who hat been encouraged to fet-
tle in this country (or the purpofe of improving or extending that
branch of commerce in this country. Now that they had accosts-
phased that objed, at leaft to a couliderable extent, and while
they aught have flips upon their voyage borne, he thought it
would be ungenerous to prefs any eking that might militate againft
their intereft.
Sir CHARLES PRICE laid that there was but one houfe which
could be at all afftdted by /be Bill, and he thought it would be
ailing very unfairly towards the London Merchants to give any
Settlers an advantage over them.
Mr. SHERIDAN obferved, That there perfons having been
encouraged to fade at Milford, and having eitablilbcd a very great
concern at that place, it was the duty of the Hnufe to a!ford Stem
every poffible protedioa. It would be a cafe of extreme hardibip
if the Petitioners were not to be heard in a cafe which ferioufly
affeded their intcrefts.

Mr. ROSE Rated, That the perfons alluded to had at lirit been
authoticAl to Sib, but that they afterward► traded diredt to
America.
The queition was then put, and the Houfe went into a Com-
mittee.

A New Claufe was brought up by Mr. BARRAN 113 EIMOUT
of the Claims of the Petitioners. The Gallery was then clear-
ed. but we underhand that the chide WAS loft without a divitiou.

SUPPLY.

The Houfe in a Committee of Supply, the CHANCELLOR
of the EXCHEQUER moved for one million on amount of the
Eaft India Company ;
" sopooL to purchafe ground for building a Marine Afylum $
" to,OOOL for work done about the two Hodes of Parliament ;
" 6,c00L towards building a Bridge over the Wye ;" with a
numlnr of minor fonts, which were ordered to be reported ma
Monday.
Mr. BANKES moved, that Mr. Payne Knight be added to the
Committee foe purchafing the Townie:lan Antiquities tor the Evi-
-1 nib Mufeum.—Ordered.

his imprifonment, all perfons to whom .he was in-
debted, have fince alfo laid detainers upon him; that
he has repeatedly folicited to be brought to trial,
upon any charge whatfoever that may be againft him,
in vain ; but that he was offered his liberation on
condition of going to England ; that through the
dampnefs of his prifon, and the clofenefs and long
continuance of his imprifonment, he has contraded
difeales which render him extremely feeble and infirm,
and reduced to much diftrefs, and therefore he prays
fuch relief as to the Houfe, in its juftice and lenity,
(hall teem meet.
The Petition being read by the Clerk,
Mr. FOX Paid, that notwithfianding the high opi •
nion he entertained of the Nobleman now at the head
of the Irith Government, yet the Petition now on the
table, if founded in tad, was one of the many exam-
ples to thew that the Chief Governor, however bene-
volent his own difpnfition, however eminent his cha-
rafter for mildnefs and humanity, ought not to be en-
trallad with fuck powers as thole vetted by the Al
fee finfpending the Habeas Corpus. With refped to
the circumflances aged by the Petitioner, he could
not take upon him to anfwer for thofe allegations
from any aaual knowledge of his own • but he had
affurences from authority that he could not doubt,
which he was convinced would not deceive him, that
the Petition Rated nothing but the truth, and was
even that of the extent of the mifery fuffered by the
Petitioner. There was one part of the Ratement, at
leaft, which, if corral, malt go to prove, that the
imprifonment of this unfortunate Gentleman has been
continued without ant fiundation of guilt, for other-
wife, was it probable, if lie was a guilty man, he
would have been offered his liberation upon the
condition of coming to England, for furely fuch an
offer would not be mad:, if there was any evidence of
guilt aga;nft him. For the prefent, he withed to
found no motion upon this Petition, but merely that
it do lie the table s—but he did recommend
earnettly to his Majelly's Government, to make Tome
enquiry into the cafe, and fee whether the many hard
(hips this unfortunate Gentleman has fuffered, have
not been much more than adequate to any charge
againft him, and, to put at leatt an end to his confine-
ment.
Mr. SHERIDAN fupported the Petition, and the
objeEt of Mr. Fos, and raid, if ever there was a
cafe of oppreffion that called more peculiarly than
another fir Parliamentary' Enquiry, it was the pre.
fent. He alto had affitrances Crams fuch authority as
he could rely on, that the whole of the allegations
as fet forth in this Petition were true.
Mr. VANSITTART Paid, that if nothing more
had been Paid on this fubjed than merely to move
that the Petition do lie on the Table, be &mid- have
remained ['dent ; but he was warranted to fay, from
the authority of a Gentleman, the privation of whole
Cervices had been a great Infs to that country, that
the conciud of the lref6 Government in this affair
would, upon the fulleft enquiry, Rand fairly ac-
quitted.—Petition ordered to lie on the Table.
AFFAIRS OF INDIA.
Mr. PAUL moved for a Cnpy of the Minute ap-
pointing Captain Malcolm to fucceed Colonel Wel-
lefley en India, and alfo a Copy of the Minute ap-
pointing Captain Stuart to fucceed Captain Malcolm.
Alfo an Account of the Money received and expend-
ed by Colonel Wellefley for the public fervice, from
the time of his departure from Calcutta, until the
period of his prefent appoiatment.
Mr. WELLESLEY POLE could afore the Ho-
nourable Gentleman, that Colonel Wellefley never
drew one fixpence of the public money, from his
departure from Calcutta to this moment, but his own
ordinary allowances, and that he never difpofed of a
I penny in fecret fervice, nor did any of the public
money pafa throogh his hands, and as to his prefent
appointment as Governor of the Oude territory, it
was merely provifional ; until the pleafure of the
Court of Diredors fhould be known.
Mr. WALLACE fuggefted, that the return mov-
ed for mould diffinguifh falary from other monies,'
which was ordered accordingly.
Lord CASTLEREAGH moved for a Copy of
the Letter written by the Secret Committee of the
Court of Diredors, on the i9th of February, 1803,
to the Bengal Government, refpelling the treaty
with the Vizier of Oude.
Mr. FRANCIS moved for an Account of the
lateß dates of the Difpatches from the Bengal Go-
vernment ; and alfo of the lateft Difpatches from the
Northern Provinces, refpeding the State of Reve-
nue; not, he Paid, with a view to ground any mo-
tion in the prefent Seflion, but to give the Houfe ne-
ceffary information upon important topics, that
would hereafter form the fubjea of difcuffion : he
alluded to the late difpatches from India, which had
fallen into the hands of the enemy, and which we
only knew of from a tranflation from the publication
by the French Government. He thought there mutt
have been extreme negligence fomewhere, in not
forwarding duplicate difpatches, as none (itch ap.
peered to have come to hand. It was now June
1803, and the date of the loft difpatches received
from India, was in March tBo3. From that period
to this, was this country in total ignorance on the
fuhjed of Indian Affairs ? The debt of the Company
at that time, was Rated at 2°,000,0001. Was it not
fair to conclude, that through the various wars in
which the Government of India have fence been en-
gaged, that the debt was now increafed to 40,000,0001.?
—He thought it could not happen by accident, that
for two whole years the accounts of the Bengal
Government (hould be totally unknown to the Houfe:
he thought they mutt withhold them. When upon
a former occafion he moved for papers refpeding the
Rate of the interior of that cotintrythe was anfwered
that fuch accounts should be laid before the Houle as
were continent with neceifary precautions for public
fecurity. But the difpatchcs of the telt April, 1804.,
which were fuppreffed by the Court of Direaors, have
fallen into the hands of the French, and by this means
has this country the fire intimation on that head.—
It was in vain to attempt concealing any longer from

SIX-PESTCE.

Parliament the true Rate of the Company's affairs.
If they look again to the tessewal of ;heir Charter.
a plain. candid and intelligible account thould be
laid before Parliament ; and not an ahllrufe, compli-
cated, and unintelligible m-Ifs of figures, elucidated
by xfpeech not lef, complex or much mote compre-
benfible. The Company had agreed to pay to the
Government a compenfation of half a million per
ann. in eonaderation of their Charter, and notwith-
fiandingrke numb= of years that have -elapfed (ince
their Galt renewal, they have never yet paid but one
year's c'onftdcration. - He begged leave to afk, then,
when this defalcation was to be made good, if they
were incapable of performing Their agreement, with
a revenue of fifteen millions annually, and, by their
own lift fiatements, a trade more flourifbiog than any
they have ever before experienced, notwithilanding
the many increafed imprint to which it has been fob-
jeifted He concluded by repeating his motion.
Lord CASTLEREAGH anfwered, that the rea-
fon the Honourable Member had not before neck-
ed the papers he nosi wilhed to fee, was hecaufe he
had not Ihaped his motion fo as intelligibly to defcribe
them. The fa& was, that even from the Honoura-
ble Member's private application to him, he under-.
flood that it was the treaty with the Mogul that he
wifhed to fee. With refpe& to the other difpatches,
the fa& was, as now generally known, that they had
fallen into the hands of the enemy z no duplicate dif-
patches over hind had been received, nor was he yet
enabled to fay whether there had been any forward.
ed. The only rational conjecture he could at pre-
fent form on that part of the filbje& was, that a vei-
fel having been taken by the French of the latter end
of the laR year, in the Gulph of Perfia, it was not
impoffible that fuch difpatches might have been on
board. With refpest to the itatements of the Com-
pany's affairs, they were annually laid before the
Houfe in as clear a way as their complicated and ex-
tenfive nature would admit ; and if the Honourabie
Member was fo extremely averfe to the invelligation
of figures, be found it would be extremely difficult,
if at all praelicable, to convey to his mind, etor
ideas of voluminous accounts, ihdlfperifibly
conftii-
ing, in In great a degree, of figures. With refpetk to
the Company not having clewed off the half million
a year for the renewal of their Charter, it mull be re-
colleCted, that the annual payment of that fum was
upon the condition of a certain furplus of revenue
over neceffary expenditure, but no Inch furplus bad
yet occurred.

Mr. FR. ANCIS's motion was then pnt and agreedto.'
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEWER.
Rated, that on the laFk balance of accounts between
Government and the India COmpany, it appeared
that four millions were due to them. He fhould, in
the Committee of Supply this evening, move for one
million, to be paid them on account.

GUIrftWIRT AND jeaser.
The Order of the Day being read for refuming
the debate on the Smuggling Bill, 'lb far as concern
ed the iflands of Ouernfey and Jerfey, a debate of
fome length occurred, the priricipal points of which
we detailed in our Paper of yeller day, in the account
of the difcirffion which took place on Thurfday night.
The CHANCELLOR of .the EXCHEQUER
propofed an Amendment, which he hoped wd
away the principal objeition offered to the Bill Taft
night, by recognizing the internal jurifdidion of
thole iflands, and clearly ena&ing, that crimes again&
this Bill committed, within that jurifdillioni lhould
be tried there ; referring, however, any decifion with
refpeet to feizures of contraband goods, to the tribu-
nal in England, where all fuch queffions mutt be re-
ferred, namely, the Court of Exchequer. Still, how-
ever, he apprehended there were many precedents to
uphold the right of trying perfons in England for
crimes committed in thole countries. But without
at all preffing that right now, he wifhed to coofult
the feelings of the inhabitants of both iflands, and to
urge nothing unnecefrarily ; but as to the :iglu of le-
giflation fur thofe iflands, the precedents he named
lag night placed the queftion beyond all doubt. The
Chancellor of the Exchequer concluded by moving
his chide.

Mr. GREY and Mr. WINDHAM re-urged the
fentiments they profeffecl laft night, as to the impru-
dence of being over preffing for the fake of revenue,
and rifking loffes, much more deprecable, in the pof-
&Ilion of thole iflands, which, in all wars, had
maintained their attachments to this country, r..nd
annoyed the enemy ; and thi, too, only for the fip-
preflion of a partial evil in a trade, that would UM
be carried on to a much greater extent from the
coatis of France, Holland, and the Low Countries.
Mr. STURGES BOURNE was confident, that
when Hon. Members talked of atrivial or partial es if,
they could not be aware of the enormous extent to
which the revehues of this country were injured by
the fmnggling trade from thofe Mande. He was al-
ma afraid to Rate it with any hope of credibility.
It was a lots to be Dated rather in millions than in
thoufands ; eflimating it at the duties payable on Fo-
reign fpirits, it was at leaft fr'om fiue to fix millions ;
and at the rate paid on Britifh fpirits, from three to
four millions annually. Surely, then, this was an
object of impoitance, as well with repot% to revenue,
as to the prot4lion of the fair trader.
Dr. LAURENCE, at confiderable length, expref-
fed his apprehenlions of the mischiefs to which this
country would be expofed under the operations of
this Ad, in the latitude it gave to our Commanders
to vifit allyeffels,found cruizing out at fea,withintwo
leagues of thole Hands, and feizing fuch as they
fhould think lit to denominate hovering fmugglers.
Was it not obvious that, in time of peace, number-
lets veli:rls, under neutral colours, would, in the
courfe of their voyages to other ports, pals inadver•
tently withie. the limited diflanee of thofe Wands ?
Might they not be driven there inevitably by ltrefs
of weather ? And would it be reafonable that every
'hip in loch circumilances, freighted in a manner
not conformable to this Ad, with which they had
nothing to dc, fhould be feiz:d as a lawful prize, and
carried to the next port, and their owners involved

in tedious lawfuits, lots, inconvenience, and vexation?
Would it not amount to .a declaration of war upon
all whofe vette!s might thusfall within the
grafp of our cruisers for an extent of three hundred
Leagues of coall ? If for no other reafon, then, than
the risk to which it would expofe this country in
quarrels, with other nations, be mould deprecate
the Bill as it now Rood.
The ATTORNEY GENERAL anfstier ed, that
the defignation of Ibips fo feizable was not left to
Incite in the Bill, as to give an opporrunityitir Leek
Confequences as thofe Rated by the Learned Gentle-
man. l'he principle of the Bill was nothing nuke" '
than that of the Havering Ails, as old alum& as
the Revenue itfelf—veffels having liquors on boatd,'
in contraband packages, and found hovering or flea-
ine to and fro, and not proceeding on their voyages,
wind and weather permitting. But with refpeiOt to
the argnmept of the independence of thge Ulands
upon the realm of England, upon the ground that;'
they were annexed to the Crown of England 'by
the Norman conqueß, as an inheritance of the Doke
of Normandy, he begged to remind gentlemen how .
that fag Rood: Robert, Duke of Normandy, quer.
felled with his brother, Henry the Fira—they went
to war—Robert was conquered ; and his dominions,
by right of this new conqueß, annexed to the Britith
Crown—fo that there was an end to any claim of in.
dependence on that ground.
Dr. LAURENCE explained.
The Ciente was then brought up, read, commit-
ted, agreed to, reported, and added by way of rider
to the Bin, which was read the third time, paired,
and ordered to the Lords.

COLONAL COCHRAN' JOHNSTON.
GeneraITITZPATRICK role to give notice that
' be would, on a future opportunity, bring forward a
'notion refpeaing a grofs violation of the principles
of the Military Law of the country. It related to
the pra&ice which prevailed in the office of the Judgt
Advocate General, in which there was an alfump-
tion of powers &realy contrary to the general prin-
ciples of the Law of England. It undoubtedly was
the privilege of his Majefty to difinifs any Officer
whole conduit he might not approve, without a Court
Martial ; but it was underftood that this right &mid
not be exercifed hut upon mature deliberation and fuf-
ficient cattle. His Majefly had the right of confirm.
Ong or remitting the fentences of Courts Martial, but
be believed it was never intended that in the exercife
of it he should be folely gnidad by the advice of the
Judge Advocate General ; that the refpeilable Baro-
net who filled that office for fo many years fhould be,
as in fait he was, the foie advifer of his Majefty, in
whatfoever related to the fentences of Courts Mar.
tial. The proceedings of Courts Martial were for-
merly tranfmitted through the Secretary of War,
and he could perceive no reafonable caufe for dircon.
tinning a prattice which afforded to his Majefty's mi.
litary fubjeEls the fame equal meafure of jullice that
4 /cry man in the country was entitled to. The cafes
of all thole who were convi&ed before the other tri.
bunals were fubnsitted to the confideration of the
King in Council—an advantage which thofe perfons
who incurred the cenfure of Courts Martial were de.
ed of. The deviation from this falutary mode of
determining produced great inconveniences, and a
cafe had lately ?ccorregi which had filled the whole
army with afionifitment and alarm. He alluded to
that of Colonel Cochrane Phonon, who was lately
tried by a fioort Martial ; and although he was ho.
courably acquitted, had fill been fdbjeeled to all the
feverities and penal confequences of a convietion.—
He feared the Sefton war now too far advanced to
do any thing in the buiineis, but he certainly would
embrace the culla opportunity of bringing it for.
ward in the nest Sefflon. His °lie& would be, not
to interfere, in the (mallet degree, with his biajef-
ty's undoubted right, but to afcertain the powers and
authority of an office, that of the Judge Advocate
General, from the advice or recommendations of
which decilions of extreme hattifhip and unmerited
ieverity proceeded.
STAY" OF THE MILITARY STRENGTH OF THE -
COUNTRY.

Colonel CRAUFURD role, purfuant to the no.
Lice he had given, to fubmit to the Houfe a queftion
of the greateft importance, involving no lefs than
the defence and fecurity of the country, and the
means of guarding it againft the difatters with which
In it was menaced. propofing the Refolutions to the
Houle which it was his intention to lay before them,
he was confcious that he undertook a talc, to the
due execution of which his poor abilities were far
from being adequate. No man in the Houfe could
feel more diffident upon the occafinn than he did.
He was not one of thofe felf-fufficient perfons, who
fet liimfelf up as a great military authority ; who
was to bring forward projects fur improving and per-
feeling the difcipline of the Army, which thould fu-
percede the neceffity of all further meafures. He
felt very wrongly the difadvantage of bringing for-
ward his motion at fo late a period of the Seflion ;
but Rill, with the permiffion of the Houfe, he would,
in as few words as poffibly he could., fubmit it to the
confideration of the Houfe. His motion was of the
fame tenor as that moved by a Right Honourable
Gentleman (Mr. Windhazd) at the beginning of the
Seflion. He, of all the perfons he had ever con-
verted with on the military refources and fituation
of the country, appeared to him to have the tacit,
the moll profound and enlarged views of the fubjea.
He was not very fanguine in his expeaations of being
able to awake the country to a jui fenfe of its fitua-
tion. The country had gone on fo long without ex-
periencing any of thofe ditiflers he had apprehended,
that he did not expect that what he had to fay would
make that general impreflion he was himfell per-
fuadcd it wag, entitled to. This placed him under a
further difadvantage, to enable him to contend with
which he would have oec,ifion for all the indhlgence
of the Houle. He would, relying upon that indul-
gence, proceed to the quetlico, in difcuffing which
he would be obliged to review the whole military ad.
minittration of the Right Honourable Gentleman on
the floor. That adminifiration he would divide into
two branches ; one of which related to the addition
which he had made to the military flrc'gth of the
enemy, the other relating to the addition made to
our own. In doing that the Houfe would naturally
expect he thould allude to the war with Spain, upon
the policy of which be would fay but a very few
words. It was not his intention to difcufs whether
the war with Spain might have been ultimately
avoided, tut certainly it might have butt deferred

and, inflead vlng an inveterate enemy to con.
tend with, v2tttld only bare had an unwilling
navy to oppofe. France might poGibly have had the
Ihips and arfenals, but the would not have attached
to her caufe the hearts of the Spaniards, burning
with indignation at the infults offered to them at the
commencement of honilitiet. The queftion was,

_nhether we fhould have flood in a more advantaeous
pofition with refpeet to Spain by atual or deferred
'solidity.? His Majetiy's Mini(lers had declared in fa-
vour of the former ; they had recorded their opinion,
afted upon it, that France would gain greater
and more effeflual offiftence from the regular payment
.of the Ripulated fubfidy, than flu could from the
efatitre 'co-operation of all the naval and military re*
Tources of Spain. The events, however, which had
.fence taken place, demonftrated that France fuffered
no inconvenience from the. withdrawing of the fub-
fidy ; for her fleets had gone forth with an aftivity
that allonithed all Europe, and the exertions of Spain
*knoll kept pace with there of France. What was
the fituation of the Englifh Navy, on the other hand ?
What were the efforts which had been.employed to
enable it to rneetahat of the enemy ? It appeared by
the returns which had been laid before the Honfe,
that a large addition had been made to its numerical
force ; but was it, he would alk, of that defcription
called for by a Spanifb war? It certainly was ade-
quate to contend with the flotillas of France ;• but,
however %Ireful and netefrary it might be in the nar-
row feast would any one fay that it was fit to all
upon the coati of Spain ? The inereafe in (hips of the
line was only fix in the courfe of the tall twelve
months ; while the diminution in the clafs of fifty-
gun (hips, by Tome reckoned fhips of the line, =mon-
ied to five, leaving, upon a fair balance, only a gene-
ral increafe of one (hip of the line. In the interim,
what was the acceGion to the naval tlrength of the
enemy ? why, no lefs than as fail of the line, being
the whole of the Spanith navy. Such were our naval
exertions ; let us now look to the increafe of our mi-
litary means. Let us confider the increafe of it both
at home and abroad; and firft he would call the at•
tention to the force employed on foreign fervice.—
The returns which had been laid on the table, in con.
fequence of his motion, were imperfee ; but in order
to give the Right Hon. Gentleman the full benefit of
that imperfeflion, he would take one of the petiads,
upon which ha propofcd to found his comparative elli-
mate from the Ern of January, 1804. being
.a few
months prior to his entering into Adminiftration.—
At that period, the amount of the foreign force, in
that portion of the army employed abroad, was
46,698 ; on the Sidi of June, 1805, it amounted to
68,358. Two thoufand of tilde were recruits or de-
tachments, at the depot in the Ifle of Wight. There
were other circumllances which reduced the number
to 16,360, which might be fairly ellitnated as the
increafe on one fide. Now let us fee what the enemy
had done. They had detached 18 fail of the line, and
frigates in proportion, from Cadiz, carrying at leall,
9000 troops. A detachment of fix fail of the line
had previoufly failed from Rochefort, carrying, ac-
cording to the fame principle of computation, 3000 '
troops; and the fecond expedition which failed from
the fame port might have carried out isoo troops.
So that the enemy, in the courfe of the prefent year,
had detached t 3.500 troops, while the whole of the
addition to the force for the proteflion of our foreign
poffeifion, amounted only to 16,360. C-old any
one, therefore, fay, that our colonies were in greater
fecurity now than at the commencement of lan year ?
Let the Houfe look to the difiribution of that force.
Seventeen hundred and ninety-two of them were na-
tive troops employed at Ceylon. Upon the policy
of keeping up that force, he would fay nothing, but
every one would allow they were not competent to
oppofe European troops. Our force was thus re.
duced, that is, the increafe of it to 14,568, of which
he Mould point out to the Houfe the ditpolition. The
Houfe would fee where our force was employed,
where that of the enemy was gone to, GOD alone
knew ; for Minifters to this hour appeared and were,
for aught he knew, es ignorant as any others, of the
remainder of the force. A confiderable portion of it,'
1639 was locked up at Gibraltar, where it had no
chance of being oppofed to an enemy. Would any
one fay that fortrefs was more or lefs fecure than it
was before ? Some of it was alfo employed at Bermu-
das, Nova Scotia, and other petty Rations not worth
the attention of the enemy. Between 4 and 5000 men
had alfo gone up the Mediterranean under General
Craig—for what objelft Hsavtat know;. He fuppofed
it was to take Minorca, an acquifition of little ati-
thy, except for the purpofe of blockading Toulon—
That would be now of little fervice ; it would be, in
the words of the old adage " to shut the Sable door
after the horfe had been flolen." He would no longer
trefpafs upon the indulgence of the Houfe upon that
part of the rubjelt, than merely to give the general
'craft of his Itatement, which was, that the enemy
had added 13,500 to his military ftrength abroad,
and that the increafe to our's only amounted to
'about 7000 men. He would next entreat the atten-
tion of the Houfe to the Rate of our force at home ;
and here he would take an opportunity of declaring
it to be his opinion, that the danger of invafion
was not in the lean diminifhed !ince he had laft
propelled to inflitute fuch an enquiry as he fhould
propofe this night. Although the country did not
Teem to entertain any apprehenfion of the fort, he
felt the danger to be no lefa imminent. He then
thought, that the enemy, with fuch an army col-
leeted upon the oppofite coed, with fuch means of
embarkation, would have (truck a blow before our
navy was re equipped, and the country placed in a
futlicient degree of military preparation ; in that,.
however, lie was millaken. But lu ll he was not
without his apprehenfions, although the cha,aeler of
the war was laid by a Noble Lord, who had a feat in
the Cabinet, to have been changed; and that the views
of the enemy were rather ditched againit our fo-
reign poircilions th3n there iflands. He trufled, that
in proteding the Colonies, fufficient care had been
taken to proteet us at home. Suppoling, after hay
ing a nquered Jamaica, where there were only about
50co regular troops (a whyper from the 7 reafury
Leneb, between 3 and 4000), the enemy's fleet fhould
return to Europe. acquire a temporary fuperioriry
in confequence of the abfence of our fleets, (weep
the Channel, take polreffion of the anchorage in the
Downs, and with that advantage bring over their
flotillas, and land the myriads arrayed in the neigh-
bourhood of Boulogne. Gentlemen might. (mile,
but what he had raid may come to pate. The whole
force, cavalry and infantry, as it &God on the ia of

Jannary,.lBo4, was 220,40, an& on the ill of the
prefent month, it was 232,642, giving a trifling in-
creafe, as he had before ftated, of foreign force, and
an actual diminution of 4436 men in our borne force.
We had at that time 88 fail of the line, and the ene-
my had only 59 ; whereas the enemy have now 8,4.
fail of the line, and we have only 94. The Army
Eftimates were two millions more than lag year:
and the deficiency in the army, for he fuppofed it
was meant to complete it to the extent of the ruins
voted for that purpofe, was nearly go,coo men ;
being.
_45,134 in the home fervice, and 4,212 in
the foreign. The whole of the regular force, on
the t ft of January, was 132.700 ; on the ift of June
137,34.5. giving an increafe of 14,645, of which
about 9000 were taken from the Militia ; fo that if
the army was to have been fupplied by the common
mode of recruiting, it would have taken eleven
years to complete it to its proper eftablithment. He
fhould fubmit his propofitions to the Houfe in the
fhape of refedutions, which, if not found afterwards
to be accurate, might, following the precedent of the
other night', be refcinded. His fird &wild be to de-
clare the number of recruits railed in the courfe of
the lag twelve months : the next was expreffive of the
neceffity of employing a more efficacious fyftem for
recruiting the army. And as Minifters did not in-
tend to bring forward any thing, he would propofe
that the Houfe fhould refolve itrelf into a Committee
of the whole Houfe to deliberate upon thofe impor-
tant objets. Surely, if this was oeceffary laft
when our navy wasto that of France as three to two.
it was more neceflary now, when it was only as 90
to 80. He was at a lots to conceive upon what
grounds his Majelly's Minifters would refill a motion
of the fame nature with the one bionght forward by
himfclf in the adminiftration of his predecelfor. now
his colleague in office, except that oar &nation was
much worfe, and that another was Minifter then, and
he is fo now. If the Committee were granted to him,
it may, then, be atked, what have you to propofe ?
He did not know that he was obliged to prnpofe any
thing ; but if he did, it would be to undo every thing
that had been done, and having dialed that, he
would think that be had done a great deal. What
will they fay, do you come to deftroy the whole of
this beautiful fyttem, which has been defcribed in
fuch glowing and eloquent language ? To that be
would anfwer, Yes, the whole fabric mutt come
down, and the fonner the better. That was his nof-
trum, to ufe the pbrafe attributed to him by a Right
Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Canning) for remedying
the defeas of the Military fyftern. When the Right
Hon. Gentleman. now at the head of the Adniiniftra
Lion, attacked the military arrangements IA year,
he raid, his objeCtions went not fo much to the amount
of the force as to its not being difpofable ; and how
did he propofe to remedy it ? Why by making it lets
difpofable Dill. Had it not been for that unfortu-
nate pad th bill, it was his firm conviction that the
army would have been recruited by this lime.
and that by the common modes of recruiting. How
was an army to he created ? Let Gentlemen look to
the feelings and conditions of men. Some entitled be.
caufe they difliked labour. and loved idlenefs, others
were driven into the army by the preffure of diftrefs ;
but infinitely the greater number enrolled themfelves
from vanity, and becaufe they were enamoured of
that military pride and pomp which formerly be
longed exclutivety to the Army, but which was now
no longer fo. Limited fervice was alto a powerful
incentive; young men had no oblation to a military
life for a fpurt. although they recoiled from it when
it became a confederation of no lefs than bondage
for life, when,-like death, it was converted into " a
bourne from whence they were never to return."—
The effeft of the parifh bill was to. increafe the refer.
voir for the indifpofable force. How could parifh of-
ficers be expelled to get recruits ? was it by drink-
ing in public houfes, extolling the pleafures of a
military life, into which themfelves were not to en-
gage, and cajoling the men ? All thofe brilliant de-
Icriptions cf the glories aad plcafures of a campaign
in a foreign-country, would come with a poor effzdt
from the mouth of a parifh officer, although they
might produce fome advantage when uttered by a
clothing and zealous recruiting ferjeant. Indeed it
was well known, although it appeared otherwite
from the returns, that not a fingle recruit had been
railed by the parilh officers ; they were all obtained
from contrafts made by the parifh officers with pro-
felled recruiter!. The enormous expence attend-
ing the fyttem of railing men by the parifhes, was a
powerful oblation to it. Taking all the articles of
expence together, there was not a man raifed in that
way who did not coil the country, .one way or ono-
ther, at leaft 901. In the returns of the men railed
by the operation of that bill, upwards of zOOO ap-
peared to have been railed in Ireland. In a conver-
fation which he had with a Member of that Houfe,
who reprefented an frith county. he remarked to him
that the Parith Officers and Churchwardens were
more fuccefsful in railing men in Ireland than in this
part of the kingdom. The Hon. Member Allred
him, that he bad exerted all the influence he poffeffed
to promote the objects of the Bill in the part of the
country he refided in, and that, with all his exertions,
he had not been able to procure a tingle man. The
pariffies, in the very teeth of all the provilions of the
Aft, were at tall obliged to have recourfe to the very
means of procuring men that it was intended to dif-
countenance. When it was found to produce fo little
advantage, and fo much inconvenience, it was a'aco
nithing to him how the Right Hon. Gentleman could
perfevere in fo abfiird and mifehievolis a fyttem for
one week. He next adverted to the Volunteers, and
to the practice of giving them local and temporary
rank. What could have given rife to a prallice fo
abfurd and giievous. re pregnant with hardfhip and
injuftice to all thofe honourable men who had fought
the battles of their country, and exalted its glory in
every clime, he could form no conception. There
was not an officer in the army who did not cry out
againft this monftrous infult and injury. He dif-
claimed the illiberality of treating any Rate or condi-
tion
in this country with the lealt degree of flight or
difdain. But was it to be endurcd, or could it be
believed, that an Officer, who pet haps had been for-
ty years in the fervice, fhould , when
he appeared
in the field, be fo far degraded as to be obliged to
obey the orders of a Fairy Cook, a man who fells
tart: and cbrefteakes. What could hare induced the
Government to confer the title and rank of Colonel
upon filch a man he could not conceiv e ; but Co it
was; and were a Lieutenant Colonel in his Majefty's
army to go into the field to-morrow, he would be

fuperfeded in the commandbyth
iifs ptiaineyryc-cooainek.l;e
tnu.s
retailer of tarts and cheefecakes. Are, Sfr,
who have ferved with didinguidted honour in sa,„
o
the world,
to
,orld' would,
be commanded by a pal-mpoarrrotsw, of
be the world, would, if they clme
tn.morrnw, be l
cook. lie did not, in making thole obfervati
mean to threw the fliglated imputation upon
!Sikh, whom he underdood to be a fenlb'c and at.
fpeanble man, and a very good paltry-cook. It ea,
not with the man he found fault for accepting ti
rank, it was with the Government who ciii.f.rred 4
on him. Nothing had occurred for many years to
excite fo much dilgull and diffatisfaaion awe!
the Officers of the Regular Army, as that pr..fek
dithibution of In flours which they had long cop,
fidered as etcliefavely their own, and utt
often the only rewards which they either looked',
or obtained for all the toils and perils they enroes
tered in the fervice of that country. Cr.uid it be es,
peered that when they law thofe
indifcriminately, when they found the value 411,,t:
dinrinifhed, as they were by being rendered conme;
that they would preferve the fame ardour ft.r
tart' life? Among all the abfurditicb which th Go.
vernment had given into, in the arrangement of the
Volunteer Force of the Empire, there was not nee
more ablurd, and tnifchievons and tifelers, than that
of conferring rank upon Officers commanding that
force. Then the Volunteers were fent to what vas
ftrangely mifnamed permanent fervice ; and it all
laid, thefe men, after this fort of pantomimic ex!4.
bider's, were fitted to difcharge the military eh! es.
Having thtis cleared away this path (he did n .ap.
ply the term to the individuals, or to the c-lich‘e
body, but to the fyllem), he would advert ba- a few
moments to the means of improvement. The firt
objeift was to introduce into the army limited le.
vice. The Houle was told, that Adminiltrationhad
applied its attention to this fubjea ; and next info.
oration was given, that high military anthotities eta
againd it. It was not quite refpeaful to the Hu;,le
to have merely a communication of the refult, with.
out any of the motives being affigned on which that
conclufion was founded. He thought the Member
of that Houk were more competent judges on a
quedion of this kind, becaufe they were not military
men. The latter, from having been introduced into
the army from infancys had not that fentiment of
regard, perhaps, towards the peafantry, which was
felt by perfons in the ordinary Rations in fociety.—
He then infilled upon the preference to math% lot
a limited term of years, indeed of enlidiag for lite,
and inftanced the cafe of the forces railed in India
upon a limited term, very few of whom ever return.
ed to this country, although they had it in their op.
tiers fo to do. It was highly dikomaging to the re-
Crafting for the army, when people law only ince
lids or cripples return home to their friends. Were
men allowed to return among their friends and-tele.
tires, after a certain period of fervice, it would is
fide a military ardour in the country ; and Rout/
even the Levy en Metre be called out, they wonted
prove highly beneficial.. There was one delicate rub-
Jed, which, as it had been formerly touched on in
the Houfe, he fhould venture to hate his fentiments
upon, though not with the intention of haling upon
it during this Seffion, as he intended to bring the
matter more formally before thetn during the nest
one. He meant an increafe to the pay of the arms.
He had heard of a pi-vocal for increafing his Majef.
ty's Civil Lift, on account of the increated expellee
of every article of life. How was it pnffible for Of-
Seers to exid as Gentlemen in fociety with Inch
fcanty allowance ? At prefent a Captain only re.
ceived from 1701 to ISal. per annum, and a Lieu-
tenant only ^Ol. or 801. (urns which were totally in-
adequate to the expence they were necelfarily put to.
When he was in Pruffia about 25, years ago, the pay
of a Captain jn that country was equal to 3001. al-
though every article was much cheaper than here.—
He ovifhed the fcrvice fhould be opened more corn•
plceely to the Catholics in Ireland; and he exptael
his difapprobation of the feverity of punithments
military offences. There were many other points
which be would prorofe to the Committee, were his
motion agreed to. The Honourable Officer that
concluded a fpeech of two hours and a half by male.
in g the motions already dated.
Lord CASTLEREAGH laid, he did not rite
with a view of following the Honourable Officer
who had jolt fat down through the long detail and
various topics to which he called the attention of the
Houfe. 'The Honourable Officer Paid, that the fith
remedy which he meant to propofe was to undo all
that had been done by Parliament for the lath two
years. This indeed would be a ferious undertaking,
efpecially when he acknowledged that little could In
done this year in the way of improving the date rl
the army, taking it for *ranted that the parent fyi.
tem were abolithed. 'I he effea, therefore, of this
motion, if agreed to, would be to dedro7 eve y thing
calculated at prefent to increafe the army, and tub-
!Butte little or nothing. In February lath a Italie
was brought before the Houk, purporting to effen
what the Honourable Officer moved that night, bet
neither his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Pitt) nor Parlia-
ment thought it at all neceffary to agree to the me.
tion made on that occafion. Tile Honourable OS
cer would perceive, therefore, that he did aot pre-
p& what could be very inviting to the Houle, re
confident for his Right Honourable Friend to adopt'
He did not think it in the leaft neceffary for the Ha.
nourable Officer, on a fubjea of this kind, to en et
fo much at large into the confederation of the n.rf
with Spain. He fhould not follow the Honoural:::
Gentleman in his obtervations on that political par',
which he conceived to be irrelevant to the ()Vie cf
the motion. Confining himfelf therefore to tile
litary part, he bad to congratulate the Houle assd the
Cotton y en the fuccefs which attended the ordinary
recruiting fcrvice, He felt great fatisfaainn in being
able to itate,that it was producing a greater number
of men to the army now than at any period oldie la
war, cr at any time thrice that to the prefent, compared
to itfelf. He did not mean to trouble the lia.fe
entering into detail ; he should therefore only fel:,
that though. the new fyflem had been tried nil..
great fuccefs, yet the new allotment was not core
plete ; and the Honourable Officer would not Cur,
rend that there were not from nine to ten thoufand

men railed under the operation of the new f7llem.•
This was a aloft encouraging profpeti of future ill
eels and great augmentation. In the courfe of
months the army received an increale trim it
7500 men ; acccrding to that fcale of calculauo
tihtat was a fair one, the whole increare this 7C

to Ole regular force would be 23,c00 men, indepen-
of transfers from the Militia, The Honour..
able Officer feemed to think entitling for a term of
years preferable to the fyllem now pradifed. With- I
out entering into that fnbled, he could affirm the
Honourable Member, that it was the anxious with of
Government to afcettain the advantage of loch a ;
plan ; but after every confideratiou given to it, there
were fo many great authorities againft thepropufition,
that it was deemed advifable not to make any experi-
went. He law an inflance in Ireland, which proved
to his own mind, that however popular it may be
vet that it would not be attended with the advaus
tapes which were faligninely anticipated from a trial,
it wade : out 01.9c00 who were to be difbanded,
:so only took a bounty of ten guineas for limited
'ferrite, all the red took twelve for unli . ited fervice
with the utmoft alacrity. It certainly was but fair
..actafore, to allow the plan of his Right Honourable
'friend the benefit of trial before it was abolifhed.
refped t.s the main f:ature, namely, the
Standing Army, he Ihould fay, without fear of vitt-
tradidion, that it was the largett face this country
:ever had. The difpnfable force was alfo much larger
than at any period during the war, at the fame time
that we had 400,0c0 volunteers,animated with the zeal,
loyalty, and patriotifm, which have, and ever will,
diffinguifh Englifhmen in the carafe of independence
and liberty. It mull be confolatory to the feelings
• of every man, gloated by thofe generous motives,
to know, that the amount of the regular force, at pre-
fent, exceeded, by sOOO men, any force of the kind
which the country ever boafied of. The Honourable
Officer teemed to be a little alarmed at the numbers
difpatched by the enemy to foreign parts, as con
tubed with thofe fent from this country ; but the fatl
was, that the number fent by us was much greater
than the Hon. Officer had calcu:ated. The amount
of tan regular forces abroad, including artillery,
which was left out of the Hon. Gentleman's account,
was 69,3c0. Hence it could be feen, from the ac-
counts laid on the table, that the increafe of our forces
abroad amounted to 20,300' iaflead of t 6,000, as
Elated by the Hon. Officer. On the whole, he was ,
canfident, that our fnuation was much better at pre-
fent than it has been heretofore, as well as the means
of defence greater in every refpeEt. The gallant
Officer had millaken him, if he fuppofed him to have
Lid that all danger of invafion was pall ; on the con-
trary, he was of opinion that every exertion was to
be made for the defence and feetnity of the country,
though he certainly thought that the danger was not
now as great as it appeared to have been Fine time
a;o. Although our lunation was thus improved, not
only in point of numbers, but particularly in the quali-
ty of our force, yet he did not with the army to (land
at its prefent amount, but that every facility and en.
couragement thould be given to it every way. In
this, however, he differed from the Hon. Officer,
becaufe he (Lord Calllereagh) recommended the
continuance of his Right Hon. Friend's Bill, from
which he had jull ground to cape& that the greatell
benefit would refult to the country. In this view of
the lubjed he could not affent to the motion of the
Honoura7.!e Officer, and fhould conclude, therefore,
with moving that the orders of the day be read.
Mr. FULLER exclaimed, What caufe have we to
be alarmed, who have 600,c00 men in arms, flimu-
Lted by every feeling which courage and patriotifm
cw infpire ? its to the Volunteers, of whom the Hon.
Officer did not feem to think highly, he ihould only
obierve, that if the gallant Officer were at their head,
they nookd march on to glory—(II latch.)—Let the
Hon. Gentleman be employed, and every thing would
go on perfealy well. Mention was made of a certain
Volunteer Colonel who kept a paftrycook's Chop ; but
this was not difgraceful, for he knew that the Paltry-
rook Colonel was a good citizen, a loyal fuNieft, and
perh.q:, as good an orator as the Hon. Offictr him-
filf—( .4 loud ierm,g4.)—lf the French Revolution were
looked to for precedents, it would Anna map y a fact.
Hoche was one who role from the lowett order. by
the exercife of great talents; and we all know that
Moreau was a lawyer. On the wi ole, he did not think
that a change of the prefent fygem would be atten-
ded with advantage.
Sir JAMES PULTENEY laid, that the experi
stunt which Gentlemen wilhedto have tried refpeeting
the enlillment of men for a term of years initead of
laving for life, was made by the Bill of the Right
Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Pitt) without interfering with 1
the regular recruiting. In this way he approved of
it, but did not approve of putting the whole military
eflabliffiment en fuch a fonndation. The Hon. Colonel
alluded to the King of PfilaieS fyllem by way of pre-
cedent. It was true, that the foreigners who entered
that Monarch's fervice were engaged for a limited
time ; but the natives were obliged to continue as
long as their fervice was deemed neceffary. Frost
every confederation he was able to give to the fubjett,
he did ant think that the change propofed would be
advantageoug.
General NORTON laid a few words expreflive of
his opinion to the fame effeet.
Sir WILLIAM ERSKINE obferved that all Eu-
rope had tried the fame military fyllem which we
were trying, until they found it became impraflica-
ble ; they all in their turns were obliged to adopt a
fyllem of compalfion to raife their military force,
and we Ihould ultimately be obliged to adopt the
fame fyllem. He had heard the meafures of the Ho-
noorahle Gentleman debated in the army for thefc
mewl' years, but it was always concluded they were
impradicable. He was fo far from looking on the
:yttem of Volunteers as the Hon. Gentlemals did,
chat he felt no jealonfy whatever, nor did he know
-soy officer in the fervice who did, on account of the
promotion of officers among the Volunteers. He had
teen many Volunteer Corps perform duty, and had
great pleafute in teeing them do it fo well, many of
them excellently. In thort, taking the .Volunteer
Syllem in its true Nett for our defence, be regarded
it as the 'beet anchor of the country.
Mr. STUART-WORTLEY law no reafon for
jealoefy in the regular army at the manner in which
Volunteer Officers were promoted to rank, nor did
he fee how that types could be avoided. He Ihould
not be afbamed to take the command of a Company
of Volunteers any more than of the bell Regulars in
the fervice, fo wet did they condo& themfelves in
general.

Mr. WINDHAM obfereed, that the tykes adop-
ted by the whole of the perfons in Europe. with re-
fpclrt to their armies, was by eolilling for time : that
!y' em he confidered aspreferable to any other. The
Honourable Crank:Nut eotitelldsdp that the

additional fork rill, on'which fo much had been de.'
pended, failed in its operation : infiead of producing'
within the lag two years a force to the amount which
bad been prediaed, only ao,ooo men were railed in
addition to the infantry, 8000 of which were pro-
duced by the expedient of reducing the Militia.—
There were four modes of recruiting, namely, the old
one of regimental recruiting, Rag' recruiting, the ar-
my of referee, and the Right Honourable Gentle-
man's (Mr. Pitt) Great Sheet Anchor, which was to
do more than all the relt put together, but which, it
is evident, from the Noble Lord's own flatement, is
near its exit. Though the Noble Lord was not pre-
pred to :Wert the bombers it had produced, yet he
went the length of afferting, that, though it did no
good, it did not interfere with recruiting, and it was
therefore advifable to let it go on. This reminded
bim of a certain apothecary, who, after adminiftering
certain drugs, which were to have the dial of
curing a difeafe, and being told by the patient it was
of no des to go on with them, the difciple of Galen
laid, there sno harm to try again." So with this
famous medicine, stdminiftered by the Right Hon.
Gentleman, the country having got the gripes, they
were advifed to fly it agaiq. The Right Honour-
able Gentleman obferved, that the cubic% had been
fo ably difculfed by his Honourable friend, that it
was unneceffary for him to enter into it : with all
that he had urged, he perfealy agreed.
Sir JAMES PULT.FNEY explained.
The SECRE I'ARY at WAR correaed an error
into which Gentlemen had fallen with refpea to the
difporabk Briti(h force, which he Rated to be, on the
ill of January, 18os. Cavalry, 2 1;200 ; Infantry,
103,607, from which numbers were to be deduaed
20,000 for limited fervice, leas i.ag a total of 104,817
for unlimited fervice. On the tlt of June (taking
the comparifon of the fix months) z e,OOO Cavalry,
Infantry 1 ts,ooo, dedua for limited fervice, i 7,000,
leaving a total of 11g,000. By this Ilatement it
would be teen that the difpolable force had increafed'
within the laft fix months is,ooo. The Right Hon.
Gentleman had complained that his Nobte Friend
laid the Bill for raifiug an additional force would do
no harm ; what his Noble Friend had faid was, that

it would not do any harry to the recruiting. The Bill
aetually had railed 5;96, out of which number 1167
were loft. The total remaining would be of courfe
.1.4.±9, and within the 101 l four months the total railed
was 779 a. In the courfe of the year 11,coo men
had been added to the Britilh Army.
Colonel CRAUFURD replied to lonic of the ob
fetvations made by the Noble Lord with Mix& to
the Volunteer fyllem : no doubt many of the indivi-
duals compofing it were very good men, but as a 10:
tem, he thanght it the molt ridiculons that any Go-
vernment could invent for the defence of the kingdom.
With relpett to the officers, they of courfe were good
fort of men ; but he could not conceive how perfons
in trade were fit and proper to have the command of
Regiments. for inllance, a pairy rook as Colonel of one
of the regiments. He had nothing to urge againit him;
he betieved, from what he had heard, he was a good
fort of man, of education too, but then he was not
calculated to make a good officer, and could make
his paltry things much better than command a regi-
ment. He noted this merely to Phew the folly as well
as impolicy of appointing men to high commands
not having military rank ; for his part, he confetred,
he should not like to be commanded by fuch men,
which might happen, as he had the honour to be only
a Lieutenant Colonel.

The Honfe then called for the queßion, the gallery
was cleared, and we under(tood the Noble Lord's
motion was agreed to, and of cow fe Col. Crauford's
negatived.--The Houle adjourned at One o'Clock.