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London, England, 1806-02-04 00:00:00

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Mr. MIDDLETON NM fithfied the propnfition;
now offered to the etmlideratioo of the Houle, one
only met with the approbation of the Houle, but
with that of every individual of that widely extended
region in which the Noble Matquis had abed fo
coapicuous and beneficial a part.
Mr. Alderman I'RINSEP concurred in opinion
with the Honourable Gentleman who preceded him.
—The mode of eflablilhing the right to liereditaty
property was a meafure which was calculated alone
to endear the name of Marquis Cornwallis to all the
inhabitants of India.

I Mr. FOX, in expreffing his concurrence with the
motion, was happy to do it upon the_ general merits
of the Noble Marquis, and not on the ground of any
one particular ferviee which he might have rendered
the country ; ►e gave his vote with the more fatisfac-
don, becaufe the motion did not contain any fuch
expreflon as "excellent Stattfitan." The introduaion
of the Unicn into the fpeech of the Noble Lord, and
upon which fubje& the Hon. Gentleman behind him
(Mr. O'Hara) had defcanted, and defcribed as a
ruinous meafure, ferved only to remind him (Mr.
Fox) that the a& was one of the molt difgraceful
this country had ever witneffed.
The motion was then put and carried.
Lord CASTLIILIAGH prefented force additional
Papers refpcaing the Treaties entered into between
this Country and the Court of St. Peterlburgh, &c.
which were laid en the table.
MR. PITT.

Mr. CARTWRIGHT rote in purfuance of the
notice he bad given on a former night, to move an
Addrefs to his Majefty relative to the Payment of
the Debts of the late Chancellor of the Exchequer.
In doing fo he Rated it to be his intention, in
imitation of the example let him on the former pro-
ceedings, regarding the (Ch)c& of his prefent motion,
to ;Main from every thing at all calculated to
provoke a debate. He fhould alto follow the ex-
ample of the Honourable Gentleman who had
brought forward the motion of the former night, in
taking the cafe of the Earl of Chatham for his model.
He could not, however, exprefe his own feelings, and
he was convinced he would not do juflice to the feel-
ings of the public, Were he not to Rate, that in the
Right Honourable Gentleman he felt the country
had (Whined a lots great beyond example, and the
weight of which was not now fo apparent as it would
afterwards turn out. With the prefent motion he
was hopeful the feelings of every man in the Houle
would move in nnifon. It could never be for a mo-
ment fuppofed, that complying with fuch a motion
could at all detrasf from the memory of the Right
Honourable Gentleman. He was yet to learn
that the late Lord Chatham had funk in the taint&
tion of the public, becaufe his debts had been paid by
the country. It would be recollated, that, for t 6
years, the late Chancellor of the Exchequer had no•
thing but the income attached to the two places, the
duties of which he had been called on to difcharge,
and that the only bonus which bad ever been con-
ferred on him (the Cinque Ports) was bellowed on
him unalked, which dufficiently marked the integrity
and honour of his charader. Could his difinterett-
ednefs and integrity, indeed, have required any proof
they would have been fufficiently evinced in the oc-
currences of IA year, when, on a minute inqniry
into certain peculation' alledged to have been prac-
tifed on the public, the Right Honourable Gentle
man had come from the invelligaiion with unfullied'
hands. The recompecce he afked was for Cervices of
no common kind—for a man, who, while he had
negleeted his own affairs, bad been more affiduotis in
the fervice of his country than any other man—for
one who, to the lateß day of his life, had preferved
the refpe& and good opinion of every man in that
Haute. He did not regard what he afked as a
gift, but as a debt of gratitude. The amount he
was not exaely certain of, but he was authorifed to
fay, the debti were above forty thoufand pounds ;
and when Gentlemen recollelted the difference of the
times, and the long continuance of the Right Hon.
Gentleman in office, compared with circumflances
in which the debts of the Earl of Chatham were paid,
he prefumed it would not be deemed unreafonable.
He then moved that an humble Addrefs be prefented
to his Majefty, Rating that the Houfe having been
informed that the late Right Honourable William
Pitt had leftdebts for the payment of which hi. funds
were infufficient,and being defirons to mark the refped
and efteem in which they held the memory of that
great man, they therefore befought his Majeßy to
order that a film not exceeding forty thoufand pounds
be appropriated for the payment of his debts, "Grin
his Majefty that they would fee that the fame be
made good.
Mr. BOOTLE feconded the Motion. He Rated,
as a proof that the deficiency in Mr. Pitt's funds was
not occafioned by extravagance on his part, that he
had retrenched his expeoces, and parted with a (mall
place and hook which he had, when he was again
called to the helm of public affairs. He fruited that
the vote of the Houle on this fubje& would be una-
nimous. The only grounds nn which it was poflible
that it could be objeeed to In far as he conld figure,
mull be, that it might be by a fubfcription among
his private friends. This, however, he (Omitted,
would be difgraceful to the country, whole honour
could hardly be reconciled to the idea, that the debts
of a perfon who had ferved the public for fo many
years fhould be paid in this way. The only other
(Nation mutt atife from the fear of precedent. Of
this, he thought, there was nu danger. Applica-
tions of this nature had been fn rare, and were fo
feldom neceffsry. He had never known the feeling
and magnanimity of Parliament ineffeaually applied
te, and he trolled it would not be fa this night.
Mr. WINDHAM laid, he felt far higher pleafure
and fatisfaeion in agreeing to the prefent Motion
than he had even felt repugnance in diffenting from
the former. Here there was nothing in the nature or
form of the Motion which implied an approbation of
general political conduct, or which called on Gentle-,
men who had differed from the Right Honourable
Gentleman. in affenting to the motion, to relinquifh
their own lintimeots. That no perfon had a right
to call on another to do, and between the former
cafe and the prefent there was this material and clear
dilltneion. Thofe who opp,,fed the former Motion
felt themfelves compelled to do fo ; becaufe it gave
the Right Honourable Gentleman commendation for
perfevering in a fyllem "shish they had pro-
Idled. Here they could be in no fuch dilemma, be-
caufe the contrary of the qualifications now aferibed
to the Right Honourable Gentlem4 had never been

imputed to him by any perfon whatever. Nothing
like the idea of fell intetelledneficottld be laid to the
charge of the Right Honourable Gentleman. His
mind, grand and unpolluted, WAS above fo firdid a
confideratinn. It had been well obferved to,, by
the Honourable Member who feconded the Motion,
that it was not in confequence of any wild profution
or extravagance that the prefent Motion became ne-
celrary. If he were inclined to make a criticifm on
the Right Honourable Gentleman's eondua, he
Mould fay that he had erred in the contrary extreme,
and that, relying too much on his own fterling mind,
he had not facri6ced enough to oftentatious great-
nefs. He knew that even without fuch a propenfity,
his income was not equal to his expenditure. The
Right Honourable Member declared that he was not
aware that there was any great magnanimity in the
grant propofed to be made, nor would he efteem it
any wafte of the public money, if inftead of going
the length of paying the debts of the Right Honour-
able Gentleman, deceafed, it bad gone fomewhat
farther, and had provided, what would have been
gratifying to the feeling of the Right Hon. Gentleman
had he been alive—Come mark of refped to his friends
who remained.

Mr. GEORGE PONSONBY Paid, he had felt
himfelf impelled by a feafe of duty, however unwil-
lingly, to give his negative to the former motion. If
he felt pain on that occafion, he felt the moil pellet!,
fatisfaaton now, in giving his moil hearty silent to
the motion now before the Honfe. In doing fo, he
was of opinion, that he was not paying the debts of
Mr. Pitt, but the debts of the country. For tweaty
years Mr. Pitt had held the office of Prime Miniaer.
For thefe twenty years we had given him too little to
fnpport him in that fituation ; and, we now did no-
thing more than common juftice in making up the
deficiency. However much be had differed from the
Right Hon. Gentleman, he had never queftioned that
he poffeffed great talents, and many great qualities,
and the Hon. Member felt peculiar fatisfaaion in
paying this tribute to his merit.
Lord FOLKSTONE gave credit to the Honour.
able Mover, for the candour with which he had
brought forward the motion. He could not agree,
however, in the teftimonies borne by him, to the
great abilities, and flatefman-like qualities of that
Right Honourable Gentleman. His difintereflednefs
he was not inclined to difpute. The manner in
I which he got the Cinque Ports, formed, indeed, a
very complete contrail to the way in which they were
lately difpofed of.
Admiral HARVEY, although he had frequently
differed from the late Right Hon. Chancellor of the
Exchequer, bore teftimony to his long and eminent
fervices, his fplendid talents, and perfea &latera-
-1 ednefs. He concurred in the motion.

Mr. WILLIAM SMITH did think that he
was called on, confiftently with the opinion he bad
expreffed on the former night, not to give an unli-
mired concurrence to the prefent motion. It was
irnpoffible for bim, thinking u be did, and had
always done, of the conduct of the Right Honour-
able Gentleman, to vote in an uaqualified manner
in fupport of the motion. As to the difinterefted-
nefs of the Right Honourable Gentleman, he en-
(holy agreed in that point with the other members
who had fpoken. How far the country, however,
was called on to make up any deficiency in the
Right Honourable Gentleman's fortune, mull de-
pend on the fervices he had rendered the country.
If the falary was not adequate, an additional bur-
then muff be impofed on the people. This he was
averfe to do in times like the prefent, though he
might probably be fuppofed to feel more inclined
to with an increafe of falary to thofe perfons who
were about to come into office. Here, however, every
thing mutt be grounded on the opinion of the fer-
vicesperformed, and the Gentleman whebronght for-
ward the motion even declared that as the exprefs rea-
fon of it. If Co, how could they-call on him, who did
not think that the Right Hon. Gentleman had done
any fervice to the State, to concur in the Addrefs fo
diametrically oppofite to his own opinion? He was
aware that there might be other reafons for rafting
the propofed motion, betides the oftenfible one.—
While they learned, from motives of friend(hip, to
defire that every mark of refpeft (bould be paid
to the memory of their departed head, was it not
apparent that thofe very Gentlemen were indirealy
drawing in the Honourable Member and the Houle
to compliment themfelves ? He declared that he
fhouid never be induced, either direaly or by a fide
wind, fo to libel himfelf or the perfuns whohad Reed
with him, as to give an unqualified vote which might
feem to warrant this inference. He had heard the
Right Honourable Gentleman called the Saviour of
his Country from Anarchy ; and it was perfealy ob.
vious that the prefent motion was meant to carry a
fanaion to this idea (A cry of no, no). This feemed to
him to he one of its objeas. Grounded on this fame
afrertioes, this unmeritedcompliment to him was a cla-
mour railed for the very purpofe of degrading another
charatier thernollunfpotted, andthe greateft for talent
and worth in this country, At no period in the hillory
ofhiscountry were more vindiaivs proceedings carried
oa, nr were greater incroachments made on the Con-
ftitution, or on the privileges of the fubjeit. To ap-
probation of filch fervices he could never give his
fanaion. If Gentlemen, therefore, were defirous of
an unanimous vote on the fubjeit, they were bound to
have left not only nut of the motion, but out of their
fpteches, every thing that could have led to any dif-
cufflon. All the friends of the Right Hon. Gentle.
man feemed to argue that he had merit in not having
degraded !lilac', by falling into every vice. But was
it to be held out as virtue in him, that he did not
condefcend to peculate ?—That he did not enrich
himfelf by becoming a plunderer of the public purfe ?
He believed the Right Hon. Gentleman was infinitely
above fuch conduit, and, if he agreed in the vote, it
was not for the reafons which had been urged by his
friends. He fhould have thought that he rather de-
graded the Right Honourable Gentleman in taking
merit to him from fuch circumflances. He Ihould
have thought the friends of the Right Honourable
Gentleman would have confulted his honour more in
entering into a fubfcription among them elves to make
up the deficiency of his fortui,e. If their exertions
had not been fufficient for the purpole, he declared
that he would with pleaforc have ct,ntributed what-
ever might have been required from him. If be
thought the country at large would agree in thinking,
this a proper mode of diipoting of the public money,
he, too, would have agreed in the relent vote ; as he
did not believe that would he the public opini•ia, he
did not think hinifelf entitled to fupport the notion.

Mr. ROSE afferted, that the merit of Itto Right.
Honourable Friend, now no more, was fuch as pair
entitled him to the bell willies of his country, and
to every tribute of refrea and gratitude, both pecu-
niary and honorary, which fhe could pay to his me-
mory. That the finnonrable Gentleman who ball
fpoken loft, might not fuppofe that the private fiends
of Mr. Pitt would not gladly have prevented any
application to Parliament, had fueh a Itep been ac-
ceptable to his Right Honourable Friend himfelf, he
(Mr. Role) was in condition to thew. A propofal
was made in the year t 795, when it was fuppored that
it might have been Mr. Pitt's lot to retire from of-
fice, to prefect him with too,oool. An Honnurabie
Baronet near him (Sir F. Baring) had allured him
(Mr. Role) that the funs could be got in 48 hnnrs.
He tried his Right Honourable Friend on the fubjea.
and found him completely adverfe to it, &elm-into
that as he lhould anfwer to Goo, no cotlfiderrimu
(hould induce him to accept it. and in this refolution
he perfilled, declaring, that if he felt himfelfuncom-
fortable, it was his determination to return to his pro-
feffion. In the year iBot another propofition was
made to him, which he alto rejeaed.
Mr. MANNING alluded to the pi-volition made
by himfelf, and acceded to by Mr. Pitt, of allowing
voluntary contributions in aid of Government to be
received, which he Rated did amount to a,000,0001.
being an aaual raving of taxes to the people of this
country, of too,oool. from which he inferred, that
Mr. Pitt was well entitled to the film propored in the
motion. If paid in any other way, he thought the
people of this country would be difappoioted.
Mr. WILLIAM SMITH explained.
Mr. CUMING did believe Mr. Pitt to be an excel-
lent Ratefman, and therefore gave the motion hi, fup-
port.
Mr. ELLISON fupported it with much earneßnefs
Mr. Pitt he Confidered as a chandler without fpot
or Memifh. There was nothing about him on which
malignity could fix. The Country and that Houle
had already acknowledged his great and pre-eminent
fervices. Had he purfued any other profeGon, he
might have realized an imrnenfe fortune; but he had
devoted himfelf to his country.
The Marquis of DOUGLAS diffented from the
motion, fo far as it lay on the grounds Rated on the
other fide of the Houle. He bad no objeflion, how-
ever, to the fum being voted.. it being to be confidered
an aft of generofity from a great nation to a departed
fervant.
Mr. FOX declared that he felt the higheß fatif-
faaion in being able, from the words of the Motion.
to give it his moll cordial fupport. From the year
1801.3, confidering the Situation of the country, and
the difpofition which Teemed to snanifeft itfelf on the
part of the Right Hon. Gentleman now deceafed,
he had refolved, fo far as in him lay, that all former
debates and animolities between them fhould be bu-
ried in oblivion. It would have been impror in
him (Mr. Fox) to have urged there topics, convince&
as he was that Mr. Pitt had formed a fimilar fefolu-
tion, to which he had fine given the moll ample
teftimony. From that time, though other differences
did arife, he had cautioully and religiouilly abßained
from reviving any old caufes of animofity ; and, as
far as Mr. Pitt was concerned, he was ready to bear
teftimony to fimilar forbearance. Though he (Mr.
Fox) had had no opportunity of expreffing or flew-
iag his fentiments of Mr. Pitt, in the fame way aa.
.Mr. Pitt had done of him, he declared that from that ,
moment forward his will was that Mr. Pitt Should
hold a dißinguifited part in any Adminiflration in
which he (Mi. Fox) was concerned. Mr. Pitt had,
in the aloft diftin@ manner, declared this to be his
feeling to Mr. Fox, though he (Mr. Fox) had new
had the fame opportunity of declaring thofe to be his
feelings towards Mr. Pitt. He gave his moll cordial
fupport to the motion. The Right Hon. Gentleman
had been Minifter for twenty years, during which he
had got nothing but the Cinque Ports. For fuch
condo@ he was entitled to that praife which hie abler
nence merited. and it was now the duty of Parliament
to bellow on his memory an apprcpriate reward.
Mr. CANNING apologifed for troubling the
Honk at all on a fubjeft on which he felt fo deeply.
He hoped, however, not to depart from that candid
and moderate line of charaaer which had marked
the greater part of the dikulTion. There were one
or two priors, however, on which he was forry to
find he could not agree with Come of the Gentlemen
oppofite. Some Gentlemen teemed to talk as if, in
acceding to the motion, they were conferring fume-
thing like an eleeinolynray gift ois his departed
Friend. This, however, was a principle on which
he widely differed from them, and a ground on which
he would rather court their oppofition than their con-
currence. He claimed it as a reward juAly due to
the Cervices—to the meritorious fervices of his deceaf-
ed friend. In no other point of view would he ac-
cept of it. He expeaed, he fondly willted for una-
nimity, but he did not defire to prevent coming to
a vote, by giving up any part of the late Chancellor
of the Exchequer's valuable fervices. In the former
debate, a cautious abilinence was ...reeved, as to the
obje ft of the motion. Nat a word was introduced,
which it was thought could have provoked the flight-
eft difcuffion. The wad.. of the motion were taken
from a cold precedent. Yet even they gage offence.
His objeflion was, that they were cold and inade-
quate. He would have preferred the warm over-
flowing. of the heart. But to prevent altercation, a
cold book of precedent was retorted to, and even it
was thought too animated, and too highly coloured
for the occafion. Now, when not a word of compli-
ment was introduced, even (till objet tions occur, and
the vote, that it may be unanimott., mull be brought
down to an eleemorynary gift. Such, however, he
would not accept of it. He agreed in opinion, that
compromife never did any thing ; nor would he (of-
fer compromife to tarnill the memory of his departed
friend. He mull have it as a reward for Cervices, or
nothing.
Mr.CHARLES WYNNE fpoke to order, it being
irregular to introduce alio lion s to other nights' debates.
Mr. CANNING proceeded ; he exprefred his dif-
appointment at the former vote not having been una-
nimous, and Sincerely hoped the prefeat one would
be without a diffenting voice. He concluded an
eulogium on his Right lion. Friend, by exclaiming,
All thy good now blazes forth,
All thy evil's hurled with thee.
Mr. FOX explained, and added that it was on au
count of Mr. Pitt's merits that he concurred in the
Addrefe.

Atter a few words from Mr. Hudlcfto; the clef•
lion was put and agreed to rum. ere.