Star.
London, England, 1802-03-27 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS,

Mr. Coen, from the Mercers' Company, prefented Tome
Accounts, which were ordered to lie on the Table.
Mr. MAINWARING moved that the Coroner's Bill ihould be
read a fecnnd time on Friday nest.—Ordered.
_

Lord GLENStRVIR brouzht up a Report from the Corn
Committee, which was ordered to lie on the Table, to be
printed, and to be taken into confideratlon on Tburfday next.
Mr. CORR T moved the Order of the Day for going into a
Committee on the Irish Duty Regulation Bill. The Bill went
through the Committee, and the Report was ordered to be re-
ceived on Monday. . . . .

General GASCOYNt prefented a Petition from Liverpool
againft the Bill for altering the Rates of the CoLnty of Lan-
caller.

SUPPLY.

Mr. Cotav moved the Order of the Day for
going into aCommittec of Supply. He alto moved,
that the feveral Eaimates, refpefting the Mifeel-
laneous Services of Ireland, should be referred to
the raid Committee.

Mr. BAKER fait!, he did not mean to oppo the
Motion, but there were many of the Services
which the Committee was now to be called upon
to vote, which, in his opinion, required Come ex-
planation. They might, for what he knew, be
necetrary, but he wifhed the Committee to have
tome further information upon them before they
were voted. The Parliament had voted fimilar
fums of money for inflitutions in this country, the
Foundling Hofpital, for inftance ; but they had
always required that a full account of the (late of
that charity Ihould be laid before them ; and he
thought, that in the prefent cafe Parliament
ought to have fimilar information. Objeftions had
been made to the charge for paving and lighting
the City of Dublin ; he did not mean to fay, it
would be wrong to vote it, but he thought the
fubjeft ought to be fully explained.
Mr. CORRY Lid, that nothing gave him more
fatisfaftion than to hear the fentimetits of every
Gentleman upon thefe fubjefts, becaufe his objeft
was to give all the information in his power, and
to give every potfible degree of notoriety to there
Grants, in order that they might he fully and
fairly invelligated. Whatever could be fuggetled
by any Honourable Gentleman, that woald tend
to put the Houle in polleffion of the moil accurate,
extenfivc, and minute information upon there fub-
jefts, would be molt agreeable to him : and if any
mode could be pointed out for that purpofe, he
would m6ft readily accede to it. He was not,
however, aware of any other mode than that
which had at prefent been adopted. But if the
Houfe were of opinion, that any further time
would be neccfrary to examine this fubjefl, that a
larger notice fhould be given to enable Gentle•'
men snore fully to invelligate it, or that any other
Papers were neceffary, he would • willingly
accede to any propofition for that purpofe. He
only withed to conform to the general fenfe of the
Houfe. He had had occalion, on a former day,
to (late, in reply to an Honourable Baronet (Sir
W. Elford), that it would be attended with great
inconvenience, if the Vote for thefe Services was
poltponed to a ditlant day. But, when fuch a
fuggeflion as this had been thrown out, and from
fuch a quarter, he had rather run the rifle of a lit-
tle inconvenience, if he could completely fatisfy
the Houfe. The Houle had fired the 3d of April
as the lall day for receiving Petitions upon thefe
iubjefts, from Ireland; but if Gentlemen wifhed
that he Iltould poßpone the Motions, whiea he
was now prepared to make, till after that day, he

would conform Waif& to the pleafare of the
Houle, and Should move, that the Houle Should
refolve itfelf into the Committee of Supply on the
3d of April, or rather on the Monday following,
becaufe he Should have Come further Accounts to
prefent on the 3d. He wifhed to underhand,
whether it was the pleafure of the Houle, that he
Should pollpone his Motion ; if it was, he would
readily do it; if not, he was ready now to pro-
ceed to move the different Refolutiuns, which be
held in his hand.

Mr. BAKER faid, he was obliged to the Right
Honourable Gentleman for the candour which he
had difpla:ed upon this occailon, but he did not
know that his objet would be anfwered by merely
poßponing this dilcuffion. The 3d of April was
certainly the day limited for prefenting private
Petitions refpeding thefe fubjeds, but the kight
Hon. Gentleman had not fititl any thing about
prefenting any explanatory Papers, which it was
his objet to obtain.
Mr. CORRY faid, that in anfwer to the queflion
which the Hon. Gentleman had afked, viz. whe-
ther be meant to prefent any explanatory Papers?
he could only fay, that he was not aware that any
other Papers were neceffitry, as thefe which were
already on the Table, appeared to him to be fuf-
ficient. If, however, any Gentleman thought it
Was neeeifary to have further information, and
would make a motion to that effet, he was lure
that any Order of the Houfe for that purpofe
would be obeyed with the greateft expedition in
Ireland. He had offered, if it was thought pro-
per, to poftpone his Motion for fome days, but
as the Hon. Gentleman had laid that that would
not anfwer the objed he had in view, be would
now with the permiffion of the Committee pro-
ceed to move the Refolutions. _

Mr. ROBSON defired to know whether the Right
Hon. Gentleman meant to perflit in moving the
Refolutions ref gifting the paving, &c. of the City
of Dublin ? He wifhed much that fome fchedule
of the Papers which had been prefented could be
laid upon the Table.
The Sr EAILIL faid, that aU the documents which
were laid upon the Table appeared in the votes of
the Houfc.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHECWER faid, the
Houfe could not now take into confederation the
quellion of paving and lighting the City of Dub-
lin, becaufe the necefiary Eilimates had not been
prefented. His Right Hon. Friend had candidly
ex prefect his willingnefs to papone there Refolu-
tions, if the Committee thought proper ; but as
the Hon. Gentleman had Rated that it would not
anfwer his purpofe, his Right Hon. Friend would
probably now think it right to proceed with his
Refolutions.

The Houfe then rcfolved itfelf into a Committee
of Supply.
Mr. CORRY Paid, it would be unneceffary for
him to detain the Committee, by entering into any
ffatement upon the different Refolutions he had to
propofe, unlefs he was called upon fo to do, in
which cafe he fhould be ready to give the fulleft
explanation. He concluded with moving the firff
Refolution.

Mr. BAKER raid, he did not mean to objed to
any of the Refolutions in particular, but to the
general proceeding. He conceived that the United
Parliament would be juffified in requiring more in-
formation upon thefe fubjeas, than they now had
before them ; that explanation not having been
given, it appeared to him, that they were now
called upon blindly to vote thefe Refolutions,
without fufficient information.
The Claw catzoa of the Excii scam faid, that
every thing which came from his Hqn. Friend,
who had juft fat down, came with great weight,
becaufe he was never adnated by any other mo-
tive than a ftrong fenfe of public duty ; but he
begged the Committee to confider in what a Gtua•
lion Parliament would be placed, if the fuggef-
don of the Hon. Gentleman was afted upon.—
They were affembled as the Parliament of the
United Kingdom, and all the Members of it were
upon an equal footing : and if Members of this
part of the United Kingdom had a right to call
for a full inquiry into all theft Eftimates, the
Members for Ireland had an equal right to call for
inquiries into the propriety of continuing fimilar
Inffitutions in this country. They might call for
inquiries into the propriety of continuing the Police
Bill, the Thames Police Bill, of continuing the
encouragement given to the Board of Agriculture,
the Veterinary inffitution, and a number of others
of a fimilar nature, exifling for the exclufive ad-
vantage of Great-Britain. The Reprefentatives
of Ireland would have a right to make inquiries
into the nature of thefe Inftttutfons, as well as the
Reprefentatives of Great Britain to make inqui-
ries into the nature of the Inftitutions, which it
was now propofed to provide for. The adoption,
therefore, of this principle, would lead the Houfe
into an inconvenience which would foon make them
lorry for having given into it. If his Right Hon.
Friend did not give a fatisfaitory explanation, the
Committee might poilpone thefe refolutions, or
negative them altogether; but if the Hon. Gcn-
tleman's principle was adopted, it would lead to
the greaten inconvenience.
Mr. CORRY faid, he thould be extremely forty
if the Committee fhould fuppofe, that lie had not
laid all the information which it was in his power
upon the table. He had brought forward every
document that he thought could give information,
and had laid upon the table papers fimilar to thole
which were prefented for fimilar Cervices in Great-
Britain. He was anxious to date thus much, be-
caufe he was jealous of the charaifter of Govern-
ment, and alfo of his own charaier. He then
defired that the Eftimates refpeding the firft refo.
lution ( the Pratique of the Port of Dublin) might
be read • (the Clerk having read the Eftimate),
he faid, he had defired this Eftimate to he read,
in order to fbew that every poffible degree of com-
munication had been given. With regard to the
other Refolutions, the Petitions limed a great
deal, and the Effimates more. If any Gentle-
man, as he had before faid, could point out any
further information, he was ready to accede to it.
Mr. Roasom faid, the Eflimate which had been
read was fufficiently full, but he did not think the
' ethers were. He did not think the United ?an.

lianlent was Louni by the rniott to provide fi,r
thefe fervices. II: withed to have the opinion of
the Law Officers of the Crown upon the lubjeet.
Sir W. ELFORD, in explanation of what htd
paired upon a former occatlon, faid, he had mere.
ly objected to the form of the proceeding.
Lord DE BL .10,111 ER E faid, that all theft
Lions had underg .me very full and minute inqui-
ries in the Pat linnent of Ireland ; he had himieli
been upon many Committees appointed for the
purpole of invelligating thefe fubjeels.
..Ir. Batt sit ftid, he conceived that tl.e United
Parliament was bound by the Union to grant the,
money for thefe fervices, butfiill he thought mote
ample information might be given.
Mr. CORRY faid, that he could not accept the
conceffion of the Hon. Gentleman, becaufe it ee.s
a coneeflion greater that the 7th Article of tl:c
Union required, and he would date his teafons
(portly to the Committee for laying Co : but befOre
he did it, he begged the Clerk would read that
Article of the Union. [The Article %%as accord•
ingly read.] The object of that Article was, to
fccure to Ireland a fpecific (urn, that is to fay, that
not a (mailer fum thould be granted. The Com-
mittee would obferve that it was a ftipulation on
the part of Ireland, by which, when the entered
into the Union with Great Britain, (he wifhed to
fecure to herfelf a fum for the purpofes mentioned
in that article ; but there was no ftipulation for any
other fum. or for any other purpofes than thole
mentioned in the article in queftion. He therefoie
felt himfell bound in candour to want the 1-1,,i1.
Gentleman not to make a concellion greater than
he was warranted by the terms of the Union, be.
Callie the Hon. Gentleman teemed to think that
the United Parliament was bound to grant the
fame fums for the fame purpofes that had been
ufually granted by the Parliament of Ireland : but
that was not the cafe, becaufe the United Pailia-
ment was not bound to make any provision for any
purples except thole fpecified in the article. Maay
or the motions he thould have the honour of Fab-
mining to the Committee, were for let ekes net
coming within the meaning of that article : fedi,
for inftance, as the charge for paving and lighting
the City of Dublin, the charere for printing Noel:,
mations, for apprehending felons, &c. None of
thefe came within the meaning of that article, and
therefore the Hon. Gentleman had conceded too
much, when he fuppofed that the United Parlia,
ment were bound by the terms of the Union to
vote them : but, on the other hand, if they were
not bound to vote them, he hoped the Commiztee
would agree with him in thinking, that Parliament
was not limited as to the fums which they might
grant, not even for thole purpofes fpecifiect in th e.
article. At the time of the Union, when Ireland
was to fend over too Members, to mix with a P.n.-
liament confifting 01558, the had thought it need:
Cary to (Update that not lefs than the ipecific
fhould be granted for this purpofe ; but the Com-
mittee might, if they thought the cafe required it,
go farther, and grant a larger fum.—With regard
to all the other purpofes not mentioned in that
Article of the Union, there was no reariaiun
whatever impofed upon the United Parliament.—
The Committee was not bound to grant the fums
applied for, if they did not think it neceffary
the other hand, they were not reftrieted from
doing it, if it fhould teem proper to them. The
object of Ireland had been to fecure an average
furn, but it was left to the difcretion of Par-
liament how to apportion it among the different
services for which it was granted. In fitet the
fums now applied for, for Come of thefe charitable
inffitutions, were larger than had been ufuaily
granted. The Foundling Hofpital, for inftance,
in which 3500 children were maintained : with
regard to that Infiitution, the Eftimate for this
year was larger than ufual, he believed the exeers
was near wool. but this increafe in expenditure
arofe from the great increafe of the price of provi-
fions. He had no other object than to (tate this
fubjeet in the fulleft manner to the Committee, and
therefore he had been particularly anxious to make
himfelfunderilood. Übe had failed in that object,
he was ready to give any further information that
any Gentleman might require. With regard to ,
what an Hon. Member had laid refpeeting the pro-
priety of the Law Officers of the Crown giving
their opinions upon the meaning of that Article,
it appeared to him wholly unneceffary, becaufe
the meaning of it was plain and obvious to the
underftanding of every man.
Mr. Rossom faid, if it was stipulated by the
Union that thefe rums were to be granted, it wai•
not neceffary for Petitions to be prefented.
Mr. CORRY faid, they were necetfary, becaufe it
was in the power of Parliament to difpole of the
general fum in different proportions,as might feent
to them proper, and therefore Petitions were ne-
ceffary to point out the proper objects.
The following Refolut ions were then agreed tc ;
the Ellimates were for Nine Months, viz. to ft ~
sth Jan. 1803.
Pratique Dublin Port Z. 726 0 2
Apprehending public Offenders in Ireland 1730 15 4
Fur defraying charge of criminal proceedings 17,307 14
For Proclamations and Advertiliments in the
Dublin Gazette, &c. 4865 x 6/
Printing and Stationary for Public Offices 13,625 1 24
Incidental expences of the Treafury - 1384 12 4
For building Courts of Law, &c. 4153 17 0
Far working the Wicklow gold mine - 1846 3
Cloathing the Battle-axe Guards 683 a 6
The Dublin Society, for promoting hufbandry
and other useful arts • 3807 13 zt/
Further Grant to the Dublin Society . 3115 7 9
To the Farming Society of Dublin 1384 12 4
Proteltant Charter Schools 13.505 7 Y
Foundling Hofpital 12,690 6 3
Hibernian Marine School for Sailors' Children 133 a 18 y
Hibernian School for Soldiers' Children . 3240 o c
Lock Hofpital 4164 18 6/
For the Catholic Seminary - 5538 9 4
For the Houle of Indultry in Dublin - 13,167 3
For the Society for discountenancing Vice, and

promoting the knowledge and iraaiee of
the Chrilban Religion - - 533 16 iif
For the Female Orphan Houfe near Dublin 346 3 1
For fitting up and fupporting a Penitentiary
Houle for young Criminals - - 1869 4. 71
The Houfe being refumed. the Report was or-
dered
to be received on Monday, and the Commit-
tee to fit again on that day.
The Committee of Ways and Means was defer-
red till Monday.
Adjourned at half pall five till Monday.

Tears ending sth July -

LONDON.

3 per C. COl4. 69i it I I Imp. Ann. tri 9-16
S per Crnt. Ann. toiii Excheq. Bills
Imp. 3 per C. 60; Conf. for Acc. 693

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BOOKSF.LLERS AND PkINTERS PE i'MON.
The ltep ,re of the Committee on the Bookfel
kr. a-.. 1 Piiiiters ::as been printed. The
~A,,ation the th trade has declined lince the lag
duty imp,fed un paper iiv weii,,hr, at aid per
Found, is pi need by the evidence of fit teen intelli-
gent b;)okiellers and printers. In feveral cafes
there iv ,t 5 a falling oif of one hair. One incii-
v:dti,tl alone did taut conceive the trade afieded by
the
On the fecond allegation, that the new duty is
the caufe, a number ot evidence,. were examined,
and the Committee report ; that the encreafed
rice of printing paper having been attributed to
the diry of zid. per lb involed in April, Sot,"
a nimiSer of witneffes were examined on this point,
as to the furcharges caufed by the duty on the pro-
grefs of the article to the Bookfeller. On this
head the Committee fay :

Th.. GT...4411mm or surcharges on the duty inward as it
paffts from the Paper Makers to the Stationers, and front the
btationeis to the Bookfrliert and to the Printers, having been
implicated in the above evidence, with the operation of the
Dm.: in ruling the price of printing paper and of books, to the
prtj::dicc of their fide at home and Abroad-o,e occaftonal va-
lue of rags, and inereafed price of labour, as conducing to
fuch inereafc of price, became the fubjed of further siamina-
tiom

The refult of this examination is, that rags fluc-
tuated in price.
Relative to wages and the price of work, feveral
witnetres were examined, who Rated that there has
been no advance.

Refpeeling other circumnances affeding the
Trade, a greater number of Bookfellerc (hued, that
from the efTeEt of the tax, Englifh Books were ac-
tually printed at variow. parts on the Continent
much cheaper than in England.

'1 hr opinions and declarations of the Paper Makers, Station-
er, and Bookfcllcrs (with but one exception) generally coincide
in the ~Ii ration of Mr. Evans, that a repeal or alterAtion in the
duty per weight of printing paper, is indifpcnfible to the fupport
or recovery of rh:t trade.
But hi this they appear (by the evidence of Meffrs. Parry,
Rees, llonft•r, and others) to take the contingent charges ac-
cruing on the duty from furcharges by the Paper Makers,
WholLfale Stationers, and eventual diminution in number of co-
pies taken from he fame letting of types and profs, to avoid rifle
and dirctt lots from a greater dock of paper fo charged being on
baud, as combined with and ncceffarUy conneded in operation
with and belonging to the duty.

Upon the whole it feemed to be the opinion of
the et idencc examined, that it was impoffible to
make any diffstence in the duty of writing and
printing paper that would not give great facility
for chtating the revenue.
From an Eftima:e in the Report of the Com-
mittee of the Houfe of Comn-mns appointed to con.
6der the etfeets of the hilt additional Duty on Pa.
per, it appears that Printing Papers cf 211b.weight
per team, have advanced, from 1793 to 18ot, a
period of tight years, 14s. per ream, viz, from
142. to 28s. which is 100 per cent. of which 6s.
i tel. is aanal duty. Whereas, Writing Papers
of 241 h. weight per ream, have only advanced ifs.
per ream, via. from 26%. to 415. which is not quite
6o per cent. and of which ss. flid. is aftual duty.
And the Ellimate is calculated on a Writing Pa-
per in common ufe for account books, three pounds
per ream heavier than the Printing Demy. Had
the Papers been of equal weight, it would have
reduced the advance on Writing Papers to 55 per
cent. which then would have been a left advance,
during the fame period, than Printing Papers, of
45 per cent.
By this Report it appears that theGrofs Amount
of the Duty on Paper, Palle-Board, and Milled
Boards, during the latt (even years, vas as follows:
C. I. i.
11796 . 167,263 7 6}
1797 - 155.220 6it
1798 - 160,506 14 el
1799 • 154,598 3 3
doo . 162.043 17 1
Three (tarter" ending stlt April tBct - 162,965 13 4
Groh Amount for Three (ZLiartert of a Year,/ 57803 15 m
ending stk January des -

SATURDAY, MARCH 27.
PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK:

3 per Cent. Cool 69H—for April ace. 69111
5 per Cent. Ann. 104.
piticz OF STOCIS YLSTERDAY.

COURSE OF EXCHANGE.
Hamburgh 32 4 24 U. Madrid 39i effec. I Venice —.
Altana 32 5 i 4 U. BElboa I Lifbon 694
Cadiz 31i in paper Leghorn s2i Oporto 654
I)itto A effedive Naples 45 I Dublin 12
Madrid 3:+ in paper Genua 481
Venice, 58 Livres Picub Effedive pr. C. Red.

Duir.m, MARCH 1.3.-1 per C. Gee. Dcb. 99j.
Ezdunge—Dublin on Louden s ti.

This day Paris Journals, one day later than thole
received yeflerday, arrived in town. The Morti-
:eur contains official details refpeeting St. Domingo.
The intelligence Rates, that one of Toussairr's
Generals had received a check, and that the French
General had fent notice to To uss Atirr that unlefs
thoald forrender within four days, after
the expiration of that term he fhould be pro.
claimed :t rebel to the French Republic. General
CiIItISTAPNE, as was Rated in the non-official pa-
pers, had been obliged to retreat to the Grand
&mean.

The intellig~•nee received yetterday from Dover,
of the Definitive Treaty having been figned, &c.
he. turns nut as we expefted. Our letters from
Dover received this morning inform us, that the
iollead of having come from France,
is no::• believed, to have been forwarded from the
Stock Exchange !
Mr. JOHNFoNe the Mcfrengcr, arrived this day
with difpatehes from Marqu►s CORNWALLIS; but
he had a long pallitge of 24 hours, and brought no_
thing o!'fittlicient importance to male a Meeting
of the Cabinet nceelrary.