Star.
London, England, 1823-07-05 00:00:00

24 lEW BEER.

The Earl of LI VERPOOLmcved the tbird reading
of the New Beer Bill.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH said that he bad risen
for the purpose of moving their lA-isliips to leave
out a certain clause in the present 1311 which pressed
upon one particular strength of beer of a particular
kind : so that in fat nothing was so little proportioned
as the tat upon' malt. He should prefer some tax
imposed on the brewer, or that a regular per centage'
should be imposed on a barrel of beer. If it were
supposed that the brewing of the new beer Was
'likely to be any boon to the Public, it would burn
out a very great mistake; as, if the quality of theme,
beer should be increased one-sixth, the Public-would
have to pay one•third of the duty. If, moreover, the
new breweries were to mix the intended new beer
with weak ale, at the rate of five barrels of the for-
mer to three bat rels and a half of the latter, the pro-
fit by such an admixture would amount to 6.55,
When their Lordships but recollected what capital
had been invested in ale breweries, they must see the
hardship of preventing them from brewing the new
beer, unless they engaged new premises for that
brewery, as the table-beer brewer. was already at a,
loss ; and therefore, should the present Bill pass into
a law, it was probable that there would be no such
beverage as table•treer at all. Under this impres-
sion, he hoped that the clause at page 5 of the pre-
tent Bill, compelling the brewers of the new beer to
engage new premises for brewing, would be aban-
-4000. His entire wish was directed to the omission
Of a clause so 'unfavourable to the regular interests of
the dark,' and, hada (*Wed, so unlikely to benefit
the Public at large.
Lad J3EXLEY said, that the Noble Lord's regret,
as to the disappearance of table beer would amount
to sornOkipgrAf it were not notorious that this hew-
rage, which he was informed went under the by.
same of " swipes," an epithet, however, he did not
taderstand, had become no longer palateable or re-
freigsing. It was one object of the present Bill, there-
fore, to introduce a new and wholesome beer for re-
spectable families, who were not accustomed to porter
or even to table-ale at their meals, but who wished
for some beverage of an intermediate kind. With
this view, and to facilitate the great object of the bill,

it was necessary to give
to the new brewett that
ifcement to bray in this
t object of tbßill Wes
hiaerto •mittr tu
ave •
` ofanyostre or
enable the Government

the uadtdutes.

present, the brewer was not, , emu-
pelted to produce his beverage at anygiven strength,
but he was, on the contrary, left to act in this respect
just as it pleated birn. With respect to the hardship
of providing that the nevi breireries:shosid be upon
new premises, and quite separate, this prOvision was
necessary, to the production of an entirely new beer;
and as to the hardship of the clause so complained of,
let their Lordships look, under this restriction, what
lay in the power of the existing brewer, who might
still avail himself of the capital he possessed, and also
of his utensils, while partners were most likely to of-
fer to embark in this particular branch of trade. Un-
der such circumstances as these, it would be quite
impossible for the newer brewers to enter into any
competition with men established in brewing. H.
hoped that the result of this experiment would be to
insure to the Public a new and wholesome drink,
while at the same time it laid a foundation for esti-
mating the apportioning of the duties on malt.
Lord DACRE was satisfied in some degree with
the explanation of the Noble Lord; but he disliked*
mere philosophical experiment for the production •f
new beer. Why not exclude the table beer at once,
and then prohibit the mixing of other beers? It was
not to be expected that the new speculators in brew•
eries would be able to change the habits of the people,
and therefore he expected worse beer upon the whole
for the present Bill.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL was convinced that the
only chance for the Public at length having a good
article was to make the new beer a separate concern.
If all beersswere brewed as at present, and together,
in mixed breweries, the people had no chance. If
that specific clause of separating breweries were left
out, the great capitalists might easily come in and
defeat the object of the Bill.
Lord ELLENBOHOUGH said that it was deter-
mined to pass the Bill. The great consolation for the
brewers was, therefore, that it the Bill passed, the new!
beer would be so bad that nobody would drink it.
The question being put, the New Beer Bill was
read a third time, passed, and messaged to the other
House.
Upon the motion of the Earl of Ltvealoor., the Tithes Com-
mutation (Ireland) Bill was ordered to be printed, and also to
be read a second time on Tuesday.
The second reading of the Irish Insurrection Act was post-
poned to Monday, and their Lordships were ordered to be sum-
moned for that day.
Tie Marquis of LANSDOWN gave notice that he intended
to move the second reading cf the Ireland Roman Catholic Of-
fices Qualification on Wednesday next.
The LORD CIIANCELLOR.—" There are two Bills, my
Lords, upon the table. which appear to me to require grave die.
cussion. I refer to the Bill (Irk.laud Tithes Commutation) the
second reading of which has just been mentioned by a Noble
Friend (Liverpool); and to another NU (Roman Catholic Qua-
lification), which is fixed for another stage by a Noble Marquis
(Lausdown) on Wednesday. I can only say, that at this very
late period of the Session, two Bills of such importance ate un-
ht to lie discussed ; and upon these distirket grounds I certainly
shall object to both of the Mills, when they come before your
Lordships in another stage."
Adjourned at Seven &Clock, to Monday.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The House was summoned by the Deputy- Usher of the
Black Rod to the House of Peers, to bear the Royal Assent
given by Commission to certain Bills. (Vide Lords' report.)
.31r. WY N DRAM LEWIS presented a Petition from the
Corporation of Swansea, praying for a Repeal of the Coal Duties.
—Laid on the table, and ordered to be printed.
The Irish Law Expenses Bill was read a second time, and or-
dered to be committed on Monday next.
Mr. BROGDEN brought up the Report on the Malicious
Injuries Bill, and on the Exchequer Courts Bill; the Resolutions
were severally agreed to, and the Bills ordered to be read a third
time on Monday.
The Cork General Sessions Bill was read a second time, and
ordered to be committed on Monday next.
The Exchequer Bills Bill was read a third time, and passed.
Mr. ELLISON presented a Petition from South Shields,
against the Reciprocity of Duties Bill, and a Petition from cer-
tain Wool-growers against the Repeal of the Duties on Foreign
WooL—Laid on the table.
The Barilla Duties Bill, the Equalization of Duties Bill, and
the English and Irish Castilian Duties Bill, were read a third
time and passed.
Mr. HUME moved for the appointment of a Select Commit-
tee' to consider any and what improvement may be effected in
thexiode of engrossing Bills.—Agreed to.
On the motion for the third reading of the Irish Tithe Com-
position Bill,
Mr. CA LCRAFT said, that finding if he pressed the hoer-
don of the compulsory clause it might retard the Bill, and being
very desirous to see it in operation, be should forego the ioten-
don he had formed of introducing that clause. As he was sure
that iu the neat Session the Bill must be considerably altered, from
its imperfect nature at present (and here he meant no imputa-
tion on the Right Ilan. Gentleman opposite), he should postpone
until that period his proposal for adding those provisions which
ware necessary to complete the measure.
Mr. M. FITZGERA LD having been one of the first to
bring the subject of Irish Tithes before the House, could not resist
the opportunity which was afforded him of expressing his capita-
tion at the success of the present measure. He felt it just tasty,
that he thought the country was much indebted for it to his Ma-
jesty's Ministers, sad he hoped that no alterations would be made
elsewhere which would have the effect of defeating its wise pro-
visions. (Hear.)
After a few words from Mr. V. Fasasaa.Ln, Colonel TaaEcn,
Mr. H. IlulcurNsoo, Mr. Assacsomar, and Lord A. Nairn.-
Ton, the Bill was read a third time.
Mr. GOULBURN brought up a clause to enable the Lord
Lieutenant, in case of appeal, to refer the decision to the next
going Judge of Assize in the county in which the parish should
be situate.
The clause was added to the Bill by way of rider, and the
Bill then passed.
NSW SOUTH WALES ant..
Mr. BEN NET said, that as the New South Wales Bill stood
for committal that evening, he thought there could be no ob-
jection to allow the Bill to be committed pus form, and to
fix Monday next for the third reading, when the discussion of
the merits of the Bill might be gone into.
Mr. WILMOT-lIORTON said that he had no objection to
r allow the Bill to be committed proforma that evening, and as he
two new clauses to bring up, be hoped that they would be
ed to be read a Ant sold second time, and then the discos-
cupon the whole Bill Alen come on upon Monday evade.
' r. Secretary FEEL said that the consideration of the aniecol.'
meats of the Lords to the Prison Discipline Bill, which. Iliad
for Monday, would form a proper preface to the disitsehin of
the New South Wales Bill.

1011 A) CATHOLIC QUALIPICATIOII BILL
Lord Ik.IUGENT moved the third reading at the BM for se.
curing to English Catholics the same privileges at id by the
Catholics of Ireland.
The Bill was read a third time and passei.-
A Message from the Lords annanatk ifid tbiit Dirdships
bad agreed to the Beer DUI without raymeeetionete.

RiCIPROCITY OF

DOTI= TILL.

Mr.C.6RANT moved the Order of the Ray for
the third reading of the ReciprocitT of Duties
Mr. ROBERTSON entered into an explanation. of
the objections which be entertained to the Bill. He

__ pi us
principle was nizlenger applicable. The House had
had experience that other nations would not be regu-
lated by them, nor would they remove their restric•
tions in conformity with the removal of our own. But
if this country removed its own restrictions in the hope
of inducing other nations to do the same, and then,
upon being disappointed in that hope, wished again
to impose them, it would probably find itself en-
gaged in a war before that object could be accom-
plished. He implored the House most earnestly to
hesitate before they agreed to a measure which, when
once adopted, could not be revoked without drawing
down upon this country the hostility of those Powers
who had suffered so much inconvenience, perhaps
from the very excellence of our present system. The
Ilon. Member, in conclusion, moved as an amend-
ment that the Bill should be read a third time this
day three months.
Mr. Alderman THOMPSON seconded the amend-
ment. There could, he thought, be no good reason
for placing foreign ships on the same footing with
our own, unless we also derive some advantage from
the more extensive adoption of a liberal policy in
other countries. The House would recollect that if
a vessel lost but one sail in distant seas she could not
have the loss supplied without paying a duty of £5O
per cent. for it.—The question was then put from
the Chair.
' Mr. WALLACE said, that the Navigation Laws
were adopted for a particular purpose, to suppress
the formidable powers of a dangerous rival ; but that
object having once been accomplished, the necessity
for these laws ceased, and from that time up to the
present moment these laws were daily undergoing
some relaxation. No country bad ever in the history
of commerce obtained commercial distinction, and
held that distinction for any length of time, without
adopting a liberal policy in her commercial charac-
ter. But this was no theoretical improvement, it was
actually adopted because ether nations had pursued'
the plan we set them; they had followed our exam.
ple, they had retaliated, and we must necessarily re-
tract. It was to counteract these measures that this
Bill was introduced. There were but two ways of
proceeding to accomplish this object, one by the equa-
lisation of duties, which this Bill proposed—and se-
condly, by the imposition of duties, additional duties,
which must end in a short time in the suspension of
our shipping interest; or if imposed upon goods, by
the imposition of a similar duty by foreigners upon
our goods. There was a third mode—by a bounty
to the foreigner; but that must put it in the power of
a foreign country to impose a tax upon this country
for the benefit of its own shipping or its manufac-
turing interest. Was that the course Gentlemen would
recommends and if not, he knew no course more effec-
tual than that proposed by the present Bill—the equa-
lisation of duties between this country and other na-
tions. He saw nothing to apprehend from this measure.
—The Hon. Member who had spoken last, went into
a variety of evidence re prove, that wages were lower
in other countries. It was perfectly true that an En-
glish seaman's wages were higher than a foreigner's
when they were both able seamen ; but the House
must remember, that the crew of a vessel was made
up of various classes of seamen and apprentices, who
had merely nominal wages, when they were really
for the last two years of their service just as efficient
seamen as the most experienced. Besides, the cele-
rity with which an English ship performed her voyage
was to be considered, and it would turn out, that, by
that very dispatch, the expense of victualling and of
wages was diminished, and thus the expense was ren-
dered much less than attended upon the voyage of a
foreign vessel. Novi there was one circumstance
which, in his mind, proved abundantly, that ships
were not built in foreign countries at so much lower
a price than they could be raised in England; and
that was,' that a number of our ships had lately been
purchased by those countries in which it was said they
might be built, and were actually built, so much
more reasonably. The shipping interest called out
for protection, and he saw that call in a Petition of
shipowners now lying on the table. But had they no
protection ? Had they not the whole of the coast
trade, with other advantages? If the whole trade
could be carried on by foreigners cheaper than by our-
selves, the result Would be that we should become the
carriers to our prejudice; and, to avoid that, it was
necessary to take measures to compete with them ; a
protecting duty alone, then, sTas all we had left us
to secure a fair. proportion fso valuable a trade.
Mr. 'I. WILSON said, he had no objection to pro-
tect commerce; but this Bill would go far to annihi-
late it. If we could navigate as cheaply as foreigners,
then this Bill would be one of reciprocity; under
existing eircu*istances'it was not.
Mr. Hung supported the Bill, because it was ne-
Cessary in order that we might be able to compete
with the foreign carriers.
Mr. BRIGHT wished a subject of such great im-
portance to be referred to a Committee before they
Wee to any decision. •
Mr. RICARDO thought that the English builder
ahnuldb e pn t
"anPond he fas enletabriamfrtelficalngled uponias possible
supe leo
with
the foreigner;
port this Bill.
Mr. MARRYATT contended, that wherever the
tori thnciefstieriaon as
inßitlirylammoefesatilobliredr,prshsechresiiitntgwasydai.ntoairtedubc;.°Oun'ritNileaod
vigaMtir.mlHLUarßlwf3Boere ginguace.aneed to
,ostrestc
this
sßujupoLtio`thbey.ponatiyethiognee of4rtheearomen and House—unopposed
sanc.
cloned as ita,pelactple was by the • at an go.
reit
dusensTonrabeleuildierigmematerillontdi. lhomnbeniuld bewreitealed edtha;" anthde
if that could bas acted, he did not deny it would be
desirable.spare
so aiuch from
llstwerethey to
its.woomaitoutt sad ;until
cold
foreign Powers .to retaliate upon Cur patrol trade?
Other Hon. Mepabers wisbed to balrethU Bill delayed
till neat Ressima; but delay on anyin:clinics *Old
lead to the rnest.pernicious results. It was notsnesali
shippintinteiet, great and important as
,which waswaicereed -in the reciprocity of Duties--
but the general security of commerce. If foreign

relaxed in the strictness of their cqmmt-111
is, it became our interest to meet them wits
• dispositions.
a few words from Mr. S. Woo :cry, the Roos: be*
t numbers were—
For the Bill 73 •
Against it ....... .......... . If, ,
Majority •4/10 • •

• ---- SLAV. &AWL
LUSHINGTON moved thithiler dasß3,
for the Hoitsit_resolving itself into....is _Committee
the Slave Trade' Consolidation Bill: He objected
the clause at present in use Big, which permitted th
unrestrained exportation cf slaves from the West h,
dia Colonies. The effect of the amendment which Lr
intended to submit would be to permit the transfero
slaves from one island to another, subject to theap,
proval of the respective Governors of these wait.
He detailed the reasons on. which this amend
was founded, and concluded by a motion, the us.
stance of which was, that by an Order of Council,
the exportation of slaves from the West India Colo.
.vies should be prohibited, from May, 1b26, but uu2
this prohibition should have immediate operatio4
respect to the Island of Trinidad?'
Mr. WILMOT-HORTON opposed the argnmet
of the Hon. and Learned Member, and proposed, it.
stead of the clauses contended fur by the lion. asi
Learned Member, that His Majesty's Governeseg
should be entrusted with power to authorise then,
moval of slaves from one Colony to another, in cat
of the removal being for the benefit of the slave(
Mr. WILBERFORCE supported the ci.ithe
removal.

Mr. MARRYATT admitted that the removali
the slaves might be useful ; yet he would cnater4
that the arguments of the Hon. and Learned Genii
man referred lees to Trinidad than to any other L.
long in the West Indies. •
Mr. W. SMITH contended that the slaves °nit,
to be employed in the cultivation of their natal Cols
nies, not in that of places to which they. had a
attach ment.
Mr. CANNING had no objection to the remonl
of slaves from one colony to another, provided it ns
not done foi the purpoie of selling them. He wists.l
the transfer. from one inlony to another should be th*
of the whole concern...and Ant of the slaves
The removal of .0* .slirt•skeught to be sane
'solely when it would be nqt only for their
that of the colony,
Sir J. MACKI'
mission to tear
old colonies into .
Mr. HUMS argued
under proper regulat;-
,tinamed by every law
• Jdr. CANNING
'ditettesioit on the clai
brought up.
Dr. LUSIIING.
ponement of the discussion.
The other clauses
resumed, the Report
The Convicts' Regulate
tee, and several amendments
resumed, and the
committed on Monda'
The other Orders
House adjourned at '

TIDE

. SAM&

STOCK
Coasob opened ,
kept steady up to thleisour.
early part of the day,

New Spanish Bonds
511, with little doing '
Current Prices :--f
Man NM ft Unit,ll
lombian 51i.
PRICE OF
S per Cent. Reduced
Bank Long Annr
ltridia Bonds 44e.
Exchequer Bills
Ditto Small 255.
Consols for Account

THE

The Account

ing this day will
41 the receipt of
our Readers on
highest degree
The amount
about 0,091,11
the last year they
[L£145,068. It
Tonnage Duties,

annually, have ,
to kw" Or real

Quarter, wrought
Duties', ca. £4o,ooo—makias
£185.1001.1• ..
" • -
In tke t'l fides there spoons, at Ant 4
iler to a Arum link amount for the presentitir
sr: wal no much eaCMirtg,6oo,ooo; for the cap'
eitcaitling periodofh4t yeai they prOuced AiAti!,7ll
Is necessary, however, to recollect, that sine!lag.
Several large reductions have taken place
.f •
'Basin Duties.—Fa instance, there bee la n•-

nuai abatement*Aidas Of £135,000; on Mikie
£450,000 ; ca 01404,500; consider/MI
more than I:lX444oofr4falsr.h.4rgir
and have Shan jistars:l!:g or,
gratulation, as . .
lesseilik,lPllproductit
,: 1 7!11175-t. rw"
WU* ble
qu. • , .°

a sort of exclusive privilege 'atainell that the Navigation Liters bad I?gen the Powers
be might theeeby feel deitiedofbe greatness of thisfenikeVdtkat
his partica)ir 111.1'• Another ' Ong* not t 9 be_ induced /Ito abandlin'lkele similar I
Was at reelliip' all restraints, ' -Procder to ans*er die Views** politbsil eceie- After a
Ifstems,
e prohibittplierbduction el As long as the rules of political econorors, whet the
quality *M §7' sp doing, to w ainfined to the riquoval of restrictioni op invdei •
more satisfactorily and surely' ' - lia the internal regulation or this country, lie
hides' All =Vet" were M &go along with them ; but when they operated
not, as the distiller was, co,- so as to place- us in contact with other States, the Dr. I,
_ _ _ .• _u_ •rn.- 1.1"..m hart r__ .L_ I

. • •
oncern. _and Ain of the slaves aloe
)f iiie ,51ivp5...:304 to be banrtioei
✓ould be wit g for their benefit*
• .;
KINI'OSII-wiffeatful that diets
love saves would tend to create*
o nurseries.for.e usiy.slave trade.
-sued in favour el the removal of the she
lations, which be considered would be as
sr of humanity.
0 suggested the propriety of postponing 6
:louse for removal until the Report ahodie
3TON agreed to the suggestion for diem!,
iseussioa.
es were then agreed to, and the House haat
at was ordered to be received on Tursaty
tegulation• Bill was considered in the Co
nendments having been agreed to, the
818 was ordered to be printed, and to he
nday next.
era of this Day were then agreed to,
at Two • .
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E EVENING STAR::-
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LONDON. .
13RDAY, JULY S. 1823.
THE FUNDS.
K EXCHANGE. TWELVE O'CLOCK.
this =ening at al, at which price they ita
thirbotte. Some great Wee were made ix*
FORETON FUNDS.
loads opened at 311 to 52, and fell *no
oing In the Market.
:—Chilian 67, New Spanish EMI, New Fre
a 92, !Danish ST ea. div. Neapolitan 77; C*
OF STOCKS AT ONE O'CLOCK. /
cluced 8114-4 per .Cts. Old 984414
nnuities 20% 13.16 •.1
is. 465. pr.—Lottery Tickets IS
Is (#3,000) 245. 275. pr.
is. 275. pr.—Bank for Acct. el%
:count 82% 4 34.
QUARTER'S REVENUE. ."4
nt of the Revenue for the Quarter •
pill not be closed till tho ;sten ..
of Custom; but, as we annousra
m Thursday, it promises to be it
e satisfactory.
it of the Cuero's: for this OW"
,171. In the correspoudragrfl
hey amounted to 41916,1
it is to be illoreed, beside% 0/..
which sea io yield about.
•
e been repealed since lit year;',.:
sal proportional inert* on the
,$ • .. -
en add one-foisetls of dips •
msluitt -OW •
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