Star.
London, England, 1831-08-11 00:00:00

THURSDAY MI :NMI, ATTG"ST 11 IS3I.

' when Catholic committed even venal ofr..neee they were rer.
vereiy punished P When night after night Government
hood these statements, and did nothiner ilia how friend was
justified in calling them a promising not a performing On.
vemment. The attack of the tioliciuw.General on his hon.
friend situ most unjustifiable.
Mr. MOORE O'FARRELL felt bound to gee. thnugh
with the deeneat regret, that the conduct of the present Go-
vernment had disappointed the people of Ireland,
Lord MILT' IN raid the miser, of Ireland was pro.
duced, not by the mismanagement of a day, but of genera-
tions and oicenturiem The subject of poor laws for let.
land was one of the greatest difficulty. If Inc people were
starving they must be fed, but that did not settle the Tres-
don of poor laws for Irehnd, which would be the &twee-
don of those feelings of charity and kindness amongst the
poor of Ireland which would be in vain sought for from one
end of the kingdom to the other.
Mr. NORTH thought Government, insteed of intro-
ducing the Reform Bill, should have applied themselves to
Introduce poor hint for Ireland.
Mr. RUTHVEN thought a provision for the pow of
Ireland was the most i r all questions floe that
counwv. It was only ow of else err w Ws-
petitions that Irishmen could be heed on the state of free
land. - (Hear.)
Mr. WYSE said, the feelings of Ireland did not depend
alone on the honourable member for Kerry ; they had their
foundation in the deepest distress, and could only be re-
moved by a Government in sympathy with the feelings of
the people.
Colonel PERCIV L said. Government ought to act
with more energy in puttine down the agitation of Ireland.
Ii bad never known an instance of misconduct amongst the
yeomen of Ireland.
Major hi AC NA MARA said, the distnrbances in Clare
bad not been caused ry the election ; but by having one law
for the rich and another for the poor, and by numbers of
poor people
i being turned out of holdings.
I Mr. S IRL asked the Solicitor-General for Ireland
if he could deny that at Kilkenny, where there were On.
vernment prosecutions, every one of the jury was Pro-
testant ? He did not charge the Government with
having directed the exclusion. but he did charge them
whh not having taken measures to prevent that exclusion.
(Hear, hear.) The Solicitor General for Ireland, when
i he attributed the agitation of Ireland to the election of Clare.
I should remember, that it was to the noble spirit of ;he pea-
; sultry of Clare that they owed their seats in that house, and
that the hon. gentleman owed his office. (Hear, hear.)
' He entreated the government to take the state of Ireland
i into their own hands. It was the support of the members
for Ireland that kept the present government in pow r, and
they looked to them for their consideration of the wrongs of
their country. (Hear.)
Lord DUNCANNON said, he was instructed to state-
! that the most respectable Catholics were excluded from the
jury on the late trial in Kilkenny.
I Mr. O'CONNELL said, the yeomanry of Ireland bad
been armed to put down the agitation of the question of
the repeal of the Union, and the consequence was the shed.
Iding of the people'. blood. The government had filled almost
every office with their own determined enemies. (Hear.)—
; Were they mad to throw away the men who had supported
them / They had taken their enemies to their arms - (hear.)
Mr. HUME thought the Attorney-General of Ireland
ought not to be allowed to continue In office a single day
if he appointed persons to the administration of justice in
Ireland capable of packing juries. The government of
Ireland must be responsible for the acts of those It ear.
pierced. (Hear.)
Mr. STANLEY admitted that government must be re.
spoosible fur the acts of those It employed; and there was
nothing nearer Lord Anglesey's heart than the impartial ad-
ministration of justice in Ireland.
Mr. HUNT said no one denied the sufferings of the peo-
ple of Ireland. He argued great good from seeing the hon.
member for Kerry and the bon. member for Middlesex
speaking out respecting the conduct of the government. The
'Solicitor General for Ireland had called on the House to
pause before they established poor laws in Ireland—but
•bile they paused the people perished. (Hear.) Every one
said that something must be done to keep the poor from
starving, but nothing was done; and every one thought the
reason that nothing sal done, was to save the property of
this absentee lanlords. If there were nut poor laws in Ire-
land, there would be bloodshed, and a trperation from this
country before three years.
Mr. SHIEL said the Jury had been packed it; Kilkenny
by the Crown-Solicitor. (Hear, hear.)
Sir R. PEEL felt that daily debates in that House on
the mal-administration of justice bo Ireland, must tend
to distract that country. He thought it would be in-
Sudety better to appoint a committee to enquire into the
subject. (Hew )
Lord ALTHORP add it was impossible to suppose that
such discussions could go on daily without producing the
worst consequences. Since the subject was first mentioned
ha the Ileum, information was applied for from Ireland,
which was nut yet received. It should be a strong case that
would justify the appointment of a Committee to investigate
the decision of juries.
Sir It. PEEL said he only meant to inquire into the con.
duct of the officer who had excluded Catholics from the Bile
kenny Jury.
Sir J. DOYLE called the attention of the house to a cir-
cumstance which took place at Carlow. A poor woman having
drank the health of William IV. was committed to prison
for 3 months, solely on account of her loyalty ; and he (Sir
J. Doyle) had interfered for her with the government in vain. ,
Mr. STANLEY replied, that tue result of their inquiry
into the case was that she had before been repeatedly com-
mitted to prison for acts of vagrancy.
Mr. BROWN LOW urged the necessity of a system of
pour laws being instituted in Ireland. He said that the
only sources of charity in Ireland were derived front the in.
dustry of tilt middling classes. who were merely one stage re.
moved above the actual paupers, and not from the wealthy
or from the property of the country. The honourable mem-
ber reprobated the conduct of the absentees, and censured
his Majesty's ministers for hesitating to at once introducing
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Mr. O'CONNELL arid, that lie would feel it his duty
to bring this subject, night after night, before the house, fur
he sae plainly that otherwise these was no way to get jos•
tics dune to Ireland. He alluded to the conduct of several
magistrates and members of grand *ie.', who, be said, had
been shamefully retained in the commission ar if they had
been protected by the government. and might act as they
pleased with impunity. The right hon. gentleman ( Mr.
Stanley) had an insinuating manner with him ; but these
empty professions would not satisfy the people of Ireland.
They did not ask for vengeance, they only sought for justice.
He (Air. O'Connell) would ask ministers what they had eves
done fur Ireland ? They had promised a great deal, but hail
never done any thing.
Mr. %VEY LAND said, that when the question came be-
foie the house he would prove that the poor laws had not at
all &Meted the morals or kindly feelings of the people of
Engletid. He said there were as many absentees belonging
to England as belonged to Ireland ; but the country did no.
feel their absence an much, as the poor laws drew fruit: their
twits a proportion for the support of the indigent.
Mr. SADLER observed, that the present mode of admi.
niarration was calculated to widen the breach between the two
countries: he would on a future occasion take an opportu-
nity of throwing out some bin a to abate the evils.
The petition was ordered to lie on the table.
A message was received from the Lords, regarding some
bills in progress. across( BILL.
On the order of the day being moved, that the house re.
solve itself into a Committee on the reform bill,
Sir THOM AS BLAKE gave notice, that it was his
• tention, at the proper time. to move, thitt to the town of
Berwick-upon-Tweed should be attached to the towns of
Spittal, Tweedmouth. and Castlegate.
The house then went into Committee on the 6th clause,
•or schedule F of the bilL

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