Star.
London, England, 1807-03-26 00:00:00

IRISH BUDGET.

the Him& refolved itfelf into a Committee of Ways and Means,
Mr. Haling& in the Chair.
Sir J. NEWPORT raid. be was aware how little claim he had
to finitude on the ittemion of the Houfe at any time, much more
on the prefent evening, when a fulled of fuck importance was to
Conic under difeufGon. He Should not, therefore, have addreffed
them on the fubjcdt he was about to do, but that the firft payment
on the Loan being to be made to-morrow, be could not defer do-
ing fo. He would, however, take a very candle view of the fob-
fed, and tr., flats on as (mall a portion of their time as poffible...-
Plc then ft ,ted, that the feparate Loan for Ireland was 5,500,0001.
which had been talon at a rate fonsething more than the forma 1
sine. but that the difference was only is. 9d. between this and the
toglifli loan. He went through the different hems of the Es-
1. ure, and the Ways and Means to anfwer them; contrAted
slic t, of 18os and 113a6, by which there appeared to be a
lkcrcafc ; but he Mewed that the i:icreaft of Esports was fo much
grcate:r. that the Revenue was improved to the amount of nearly
taXi,czol ; that the inereafe ii. (hipping was one-filth in num-
ber, caw-ninth in tuataage, and one eighth in feamen • that not
Duly the Irith Shipp:ag was it:created. but the firitill; alio; the
i4rltilh had cuerafcd one twehrts, whilft the foreign Shipping had
.leerraf,Al one eighth, and that the Exch.a),,.e had fallen to q I, from
:.II which, be awed the Committee he had no doubt but the Re.
s Irtbaki Wild/ foot) ..24 Weed adequate to her capendi-
ttne. He concluded by moving," That t ,sco„ocol. be granted by
:41.enity for the ferviec of Deland."..—Ordcred.
11. e efolutions were then severally read and agreed to, and the
ile2urt ordered to be received nit Monday fortnight.
i 51.11.11 AFTAIRS.

t'. I,RANCIS raid, that i.otwithflaahling there was a fulled
0: imporsiorc about to occupy the atter:thin of the Houle, the
matters he was alum. to wiemion we7e Co truly intetefting, and of
etch high confequeace, that he ciuld not but trcfpds fora fhort
time on the patience of the Houle. He wifhed to alit a Rit;lit
:lonourable Gentlemao uppidite to him (Mr. Tierney ), whether
is or out of office a-few yucirtions rdarive to the Affairs orlittlia.
The !irlt was, why the acacrints or the India Company had not
brought forward this yiar, as had ufnally heta the cal.;
the advice:3 which had arrived From India, he wasaif opinion
h_y ought to have been brought forward before this time. '1 he
.rai.faetion at Venom he coulo not but mention as moft important,
melancholy, and dangerous.' withrd :o know learn
:Sc Rieht
tooomabie Gentleman, whether, as Preildent of the Board of
4.:onlruul, he had tot received, or whrther the Eaft India Company
':ad not recrived. particular and cArial accounts of that traufac
If the private accounts he had I.i:calved were true, what
ht.l at %/entire was more dangerous than ten bartles
utd it he was Not ill informed. advi:es had been r.ceived offie:sily
ot L, late a date. as wit:•in a few days of atio:bcr tranfadtion which
1.1.1 tak:a pli.cc in the Carnattc, which had filled the Covet ohmic
of Madras with alarm and difsnay. He had been iniarmed that
general Maitland, the Grvernor of Ceylon, had received orders
from the Madras Gov.:ram:in to (whiffs them with all the forces
Tic c,•t.1.l fpare• -not l_rs :Ilan eQtaa, be underftood, had been Ge-
m:use:A He had long dra..ied troubling Waif& further with
T'sc affairs of India, hut according to the ant wer hr should receive,
would know how to proceed on this butine fr. If the private
aslvices he had received were trix, our power in li.dia might be
fidto he very greatly ea....ad, is not almott a: ati end. This
was nut the queltism of India was an Englifh question. If
t.l.:re was a rebeilion is Ireland, it wot.ld nut be au Iridi queLtion
reole, it would be—
Mr. HUSKISSUN fpobc to order, and thought the Nonourabic
Vaiunct was entering luta a field or argunn::.t nut warranted.

The SPEAKER( Honourable Baronet nt :ft!, e aware
that in &firing to putt( el% na to any Honourable &Umber In
office, be had 110 tight to go into a length of argument on *c fub-

jet of tide queltiOns.
Sir P. FRANCIS laid, he did net with to traafgrefs the mks aC
she Hoare. tat the reafon he had faid fo much ou the fabled wos,
to thew that he was kiftified, from its importance, in acing

itbore queftiuns.
Mr. TIERNEY anfwered, to the 5,11 queltion, vhy the affairs
of India had uot as ufual been szla before the Houle The rtafon
was, there had been no accounts received front India which ena-
bled him to brirg them forward fo early as the pref./tit period.—
One year's mown might indeed be Made out, which had Mien
ender the management of his Noble preckeeffor ; but he thought
be only &died With becoming propriety in leaving the whole to be
convicted by theirs who thould fucceed hint in hit office As to
the fecond queftion refpeEting A.e tranfadion at Venom, the EaR
India Company were in full poifeflion of papers on that event, and
the; Honourable baronet might, by moving fur may fuck as he
thought requifite, obtain all the .information he could with for.—•
With regard to the third queftion relative to the Camatic, he' af-
lured the flonourable Baronet his private information was errone-
ous. There had been no application from the Government of
Madras to General Maitland to fend all the forces he could (pare.
A eertaintofficer,in the fouthern part of the Peninfula, had applied
to General Maitland for a Wall force, and that gallant General,
with that promptitude and alacrity which ever eharaaerifed
bis aeihms, had fent the force required, and tranfmittedthe earlieft
imagism utit poffible to the Haft India Company.
DUCAT or LANCASTER.
Mr. IL MARTIN rote, according to the notice he
had given Taft; night, to move that an humble addrefs
be {sr cleated to his Majefty,requefting that he would
nett grant any office for life that had ufually been
granted otherwife. He laid, that, before he entered
; on the fuhjea, there were two things which he withed
;t t premife to the Houle. He begged .the Houle to
believe his affurance, that in bringing forward this
motion, he was enxions to clear away any fufpicion
that might have ruggefted itfelf to any one, that he
was aftuated by any unworthy motive, ariting from
a hoftile difpofition to the Right Hon. Gentleman
who was immediately implicated in the queftion. He
had, for many years, lived in habits of intimacy with
him, and no one more than himfelf revered his pri-
vate charaaer. Neither was he impelled to take the
part he did, from the friendfhip and regard he had
for his Majefty's late Minifters. He alto withed the
Houle to believe, that he was far from entertaining
any with or defire to trench on the Prerogative of
the Crown. He had endeavoured to inform himfelf
as accurately and correaly as pollible, on thefubjea ;
and he found that from 1663 to the pretest period,
there were oily two inftances in which the Crown had
been induced to grant the office of Chancellor of the
Duchy of Lancafter for life ; and for thole grants
there were moft cogent and important reafons, dif-
fering, in his opinion, very widely From any that
could be urged on the prefent occafion.. If this were
made out, he flattered himfelf the Houfe would ac-
quit him of any other intention in the.part he took,
than that of performing his duty as a Member of Par-
liament. the firft inftance which had occurred of
this office being granted for life was in the year 1617,
when it was to given to Lord Lechmere, who had
filled the office of Attorney General for many years
with the higheft reputation, and who had been ho•
noured with a Peerage. In this cafe :411 the avenges
in the profeflion were (hut againit him, and it was
thought advifable, that after a long lite of official
ditty he Ihould receive tom: remuneration. Lord
Lechmere therefore having no other office, accepted
that of Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancager for
life. This precedent however had not been approv-
ed, and had never again been retorted to till in the
year 1732. It was a fecond time difpufed of by a
grant to Lord Afhburton for life, but—under what
circumliances? Were they at all to be compared with
thole attending the prefent occalion ? Lord Afhbur-
ton had filled the office of Solicitor General with the
moft fpleadid reputation. Lord Afhburton had alto
for a great number of years, aloft eminently chain-
guilhed himfelf in that Houle, as the fleady, uniform
and animated advocate of the rights, liberties, and
privileges of the people. He did not recolletft any
inftance of a fimilar nature, in the Parliamentary
condua of the Right Hon. Gentleman to whom this
office was now laid to be intended. Lord Afhburton
had arrived to the higheft pinnacle of reputation in
his profeflion, but all the avenues to it were at that
moment doled againft him. Lord Mansfield filled
the high office of Chief Jullice of the King's Bench;
Lord Loughborongh that of the Common Pleas.—
Lord Afhburton had, therefore, been induced to ac-
cept the Chancellotfhip of the Duchy of Lancafter
for life, there being no other more eligible mode of
giving r.im a remuneration for the facrifices he had
made, and the eminent fervices he had performed for
the country. There was; therefore, in his mind, no
kind of comparifon between that cafe and the prefent.
'There were the only two folitary inftances which had
occurred of the Crown having bellowed this office for
life. How then could it be raid, that this motion
would trench on the Prerogative of the Crown ? In
the year 1783, this Houle having underftood, from
information received, that the King had been ads ifed
to grant this office again for life, addreffed his Ma-
jelly not to grant the Chancellorfhip of the Duchy of
Lancafter for life up to a certain period, and the rea-
fon was, that a Committee had been appointed by
the Houfe to enquire into the nature and ufe of cer-
tain public Offices, and it was fuppofed that that
Committee might advice the abolition of that Office
altogether. If it were previoufly given away before
the Committee made their report, the doing it away
could not be effected, and therefore the Haute re-
quelled his Majelty not to grant it for life, till loch a
time when it wits 1-tippled the intention of the Com-
mittee would be made known. He had no objeaion
to modify his motion to the terms of that refolution.
It was known to the Houfe that a Committee, of a
fimilar nature to that he had juft alluded to, was now
fitting under their arpointment, which might come
to rime determination refpe6ing this Office, as well
as others. He would nut venture to affert, that that
Committee would refolve to abolith the Office in quef-
tion, but it might make, or it might will: to make,
alterations which loch• a grant as that now made
would render impracticable. He looked on the grant-
ing offices for life• the fame as granting places m re-
verfion, which would never he done but as a remu-
neration for prat fervices. The Right Honourable
Gentleman might b.: entitled to the efleem of the
coontry, but as to remuneration, he could not fay as
much. He was now about to be appointed to a lu-
crative and honorable lituation ; and be could fee
no r eafon tvhy he fit. mild be induced to riceept 'it by
enticements loch as there.. lin did not mean the mea-
t-we he propofed to apply to any particular place,
but to all-offices in gtheral. In the'iong Egreod.of
16r7i-Ars, there wet a only `taro tolitiry
which the aim, in irickitin had been granted for lit'

—and on the Addrefs of 1783 being prefentecl to his
Majefty, his Majefty had been pleafed to acquiefce in
opinion with the Houfe, and defifled from tcllnwing
the advice that had been given to him on, that head.
It had been fuggefted left night, that the Houfe was
taken by fur price by the prefent motion. He had
not long had the honour of a feat in the Houle; but
he hoped his general character, as well as his
conduct, fince he became a Member of it, had al-
ways been fuch as to give an affurance, that he was
incapable of fuch a proceeding. It might, perhaps,
be atked, why this motion had not been brought
forward when the late lvlinifters came into place ?
His anfwer was, becaufe it was well known to all,
from the ditlinguifhed charater they poffeired of pa-
triotifm, and difintereited regard for the country,
that there was no occasion for it. It was known to
all, that they would not grafp at every advantage,
and Mee on etholuments that would increafe the
burtheas of the people. The Finances of the country
were in a very peculiar Rate, and it was known to
all, that their firft views and efforts were direCted to
the entreltion of fuch abufes, and tee adoption of fuch
meafures, as might matt fpeedily and, efreauelty aid
and of a theirs. For thofe reafons, he had thought
it neceffary to bring forward filch a motion as the
prefent. The Honourable Gentleman concluded by
leading his motion. •
Mr. WARD (*did, that it was with the higheß fa-
tisfaCtion he rote to exprefs his warmeft approbation, of
the Addrefs propofed by the Hon. Gentleman. lie
was an enemy to the praltice of giving or granting of-
fices for life, becaufe he looked on it as injurious to the
prerogative of the Crown, as it put it out of the
King's power to punifh any inefficient)? in the pedals
acing under his appointment. He might with to dit
mils his Minifters, but he would find the power end
patronage were no longer his, but theirs. Thae
were inftruments which would be dangerous in a
weak and wicked Adminiftration, and he thought The
Houfe could not be too cautious in guarding the
prerogatives of the Crown, fo far as to watch molt
diligently how they were taken out of the hands of
the Prince, and placed in thofe of his fervent,, in
addition to the power and emoluments they held, as
attached to thofe places which they enjoyed during
his Majefty's pleafure. He concluded by feconding
the motion, which was then read from the Chair
:
"That an humble Addrefs be prefented to his Majefty, befeech-
lag that his Majctty will be pleafed not to grant for life, the
(Ace of Chancellor of the Duchy of Laucalter, or any other
office ufually held during plealitre."
Mr. PERCEVAL was extremely anxious for the
determination of the Houfe upon the fubjeet. In
confequence of the notice which had been given yef-
terday, he had this day abßained from accepting
the offices which had been offered to him, and which
he would now have been pofteffed of, if it had not
been for the prefent motion. He conceived that it
Was his duty to give the Houfe as accurate a Rate-
ment, as was in his power upon that fubjeet, in which
he was himfelf f i much concerned. He mica, how.
ecer, lira fay, that his Hon. and Learned Friend,
(Mr. Martin) might put away from his mind any ap-
prehenlinn that he could fii plink, that this motion ori-
ginated in any perfonal ill will to him. He knew his
Hon. Friend too well, to fuppofe for a moment that
fuch could have been his intention. After this pre-
liminary ohfervation, he found that it was his-duty to
Rate to the Houfe the faits relating to the fituation in
which he then flood. Underltanding that his Majefty
had formed a determination to exercife his undifputed
Prerogative, in taking away the Adminiltration of
his affairs from thole who were then his Servants, and
in choofing other Minifters ; and having received an
exprefs intimation, that it was his bfajelly's molt
gracious pleafure to appoint him to the fituation
of Chancellor of the Exchequer, and alfo of
the Duchy of Lantana.; he was, in confequence of
that intimation, ready to receive thofe marks of his
Majefty's bounty and favour ; bur, in confequence of
the notice that was given in the Houle laft night,
when he approached his Sovereign this day, he ear-
neftly intreated that he might be excufed from ac-
cepting of thofe offices, until lie had the opportunity
of addrefling the Houfe upon the fubjed of the no-
tice, and hearing their determination. He was anxi-
ous that no Rep of his fhould appear to fetter his
Sovereign in the future exercife of his Royal bounty,
to others who might be more deferving of reward,
and therefoie he wilted to hear the opinion of the
Huufe upon this cubic& ; but at the fame time that
he prayed to be excufed this day from accepting the
offices that were intended for him, he accompanied
that prayer with a pofitive affurance, that whatever
might be the determination of the Houfe on the fub-
jeCt of the place of Chancellor. of the Duchy .of
Lancafter, yet that as his Majefty had been pleafed
to fuppofe that he was capable of rendering him fee.
vice in another fituation (Chancellor of the Exche-
quer), there was no conlideration which Humid in-
duce him to decline rendering to his Majefty every
fervice that it was fuppofed that he was capable of
rendering, with whatever individual lots or facrifice
it might be attended. Although he certainly fhould
not have confented in the fit-ft inftance, to abandon
his profeffional perfnits for the. place which had been
mentioned to hitp,',yet if it was afterwards confider-
ed that his accepting the place of Chancellor of the
Duchy of Lancafter would at all infringe upon or
fetter the due prerogative of the Crown, he fhould
content to wave it, and ferve his Majetly in what-
ever way it was confidered that his fervices might be
molt effeCtual. In withing fcr the place for life, it
was riot fo much his own emolument he confulted as
the intereft of his family. He could not fee that hi•
cafe was fo different from that of Lord Afhburton
as his Honourable and LearCied Friend had fuppofe
ed. He regretted however, that thole who felt fo
ltrongly upon this point did not appear to have ex-
eat), the fame feelings upon limiter fubjeas at a for-
mer period. As for himfelf, he did not feel that he
had an option whether or not lie would accept of
office. In the prefent crifis of affairs, and actual
fituation of the count: y, his Majefty had an undoubt-
ed right to command his fervices, in whatever way
he might think proper. He certainly yefterday did
not fuppofe, that there had been any objeetion to his
accepting the places that were offered to him, and
did not now believe, that there were any inftances in
point, except what had been already Itated. The
cafe of Lord Afhburton took place under the Admi•
niftratiun of Lord Rockingham, and of another Noble
Karquis (Laufdowne), the father of the Noble Lord
(Lord 11. Petty) who now prefented the prefent
motion. The Noble Lord (Lord Alhburton) was a
m to with whorl) it would be prefumptuous as well as

indecent for him to fet hirhfelf in comprifnn ; b' ii
would remind the Genticrnen on the other fide, ih,t
although they might fancy the fervices of that Nob' •
in fupporting fume pre ..•s of that Mule;
and fume part of the Coniti a 1. a, were ii.fininly
greater than he had ever peit.nmcd ; yet the pave
of his condua which made the greaten into.vidon
on the Haute, and which marked his cbaralfer matt
.ficongfv, was his hums Refolution: Is 'mu• the
influence of the crown had increafed, was iaLreafioo,
And ought to be diminifhed." When the-man who
psopoled that Refohnion, and acquired his fame
principally by it, djitiot think it contrary to his prin.
ciples or charader in accept of the fame place for
life, as a compenfation for gising trl, hu profeflionat
purfnits, he 4id not lupperfe, that in doing the fame
thing, he could have been juftly comviemned as with.
ing to impair the due prerogatives of the Crown. He
lead of all expeaed that this objellion fhould ht made
by the fon of the Noble Lord wholad been print'..
pally infirumental in procuring that fituatinn for
Lord Alltburton. ft was frefh in the recolleflicrt of
the Houle, that the late Administration had pro.
cured a private Aft of Parliament formate the:NAte
Lord who was at the head of it (Lord Grenville)
spina the law rf the land, to enable hint to continue
ed t
for life in the enjoyment of a place entirely incow
bent with the attaidemal place which he had accept.
rod. That -Noble Lord might as well have been called
upon to furreancderthhh had
the
place
tatter
place he held
ehenclidatiefmnordeed great e, lri f aso
ere he
him.
e to
FrefulTa6oithe Gerelahneit ptemetirc.ent w
th iii
t Animiniftration, in hot
iaa
givingnasw. ayTphlearnr.
in revetfinn, extent in one or t.
' fiances, however, which were the exceptions, were
where there was no manner of public fervice either
performed or eepedled to be performed. It had been
totted, that the Lord Chancellor had obtained the*
fcir,a perfon whn.hod been his clerk nehen he was a
barrider. . It was not pretended, that as clerk to Mr.
&Was ha had ever rendered any public fervite, or
tlmt;,the place ow .places were given to him either in
Iretrofpea or profpedtively dor any fervices. He fhould
leAlre it tonhe Houk to confider, whether this mo.
Lion arokfrom any large And general view of the
fnbjea, or whether it was not,direaed folely again'.
him ? be did not mean to fay perfonally, but from
his being foppofed to have ficilitated the arranger
ments to a new Adminiaration. It would therefore
be a ferious fubjettinr the confideration of the Houfe,
whether, in the prefent Rate and critic of the country,
and when all the circunanaces connected with the
new arrangement were before them, when they re-
colleaed that the objet of fin ming a new Admini.
ftration was to peferve the ellabliffiments of the
country, and perhaps the religion of it, he hoped
they would nut bc ditpated to throw any difficulties
in the way of his Majedy in forming a new Admini.
(tration, when he conceived that in fo doing he was
only labouring to prefeive the Constitution of the
Countty. Having faid thus much, he thought that
he ought to leave the fubjea to the difcretson and
judgment rf the Houle ; and that, as it particularly
related to himfelf,he fhould withdraw, after having put
the Houfe in poffellion of his fentiments; bur, before
he withdrew, he fhouletrepeat, that whatever might
be their determination on the fubjea of the Duchy of
Lancalter, and whatever lacrifices he might be called
upon to make, no fervices that he could be called '
upon to render to his Majefly; fhould, in the prefent
-fitnation of affairs, be withheld.
Mr. Psacevao then made his bow, and left the
Honfe.
Mr. PLUMER role merely to vindicate himfelf
from the chose that wes yetlerday brought again&
him, of making a flatement in that Houk on the mere
authority of an idle rumour. It appeared now, from
what had fallen from the Right Hob. and Learned
Gentleman, that his fla:ement had been perfectly ca-
res, and that if it had not been for the notice taken
of it lift night in the Houle, the bufincfs would have
gone too far to remedy it, and the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman would have now been in poffeffion of the tee
places. He did not pretend to deny the merit of the
Right Hun. Gentleman, or mean any thing perfonal
againft him, but he had a great objection to the prin•
ople of givhig a great place for lite, merely as an in-
ducement to a perfon to accept of an office in the fer•
vice of the country. the emoluments of which had
hitherto been conddered a fufficient compenfation.
Lord HENRY PETTY laid, that if he bad
not been to perfonally alluded to by the Right
Honourable and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Pero.
val) he did not think he fhould have troubled
the Houle with any oblervatione upon the prelim
queftion. was ready to join •petfeelly with the
Hon. Gentl-:man who had brought forward' this mu-
'don, in difclaiming any thing like perfonal Warty
or perfonal reflection upon that Right Hon. and
Learned Gentleman, who was the moll immediately
interefled in the prefent mntinn ; and he had no he-
fitation in !lacing, that if the faary annexed to the
fituation of Chancellor of the Exchequer was not fuf.
ficient (and he believed it was nut), lie fhould have ED
objection to granting loch an augmentation to it, as
would afford a reafonable and proper compenfatioa
for the fervices which might be expected from the
Right Hon. Gentleman. But although he certainly
did object to a place for life being given to that Ges-
tleman, in order to induce him to accept the fittik I
tion ; yet as he had not before faid a word upon the
fubjea, he did not know how the Right Hon. Ger
tleman hacqslifcovered that he intended to foppott
the motion. He though'. it was alfo fumewhat titans*
that he fhould be charged with acting inconfillentln
or, in a manner difrefpeaful to the wentnry of 11'6
near relation (the Marquis of Lank:own) if be Ifni,
not to be bound completely by thole precedents d
the year 1762 or 1783. He thought there rat I
great difference between the cafes cited and the pro
fent—but if there were not, he fhould not think it
' quite fair to charge him with inconfidencllonif
fhould hold a different opinion. That relat ,fo
..s
near and dear to him (the Marquis of Lanfdown,
father) had abundant claims upon his love and
irler:
fpea, without adverting to the cafe of Lord Afltb
ton. But, however fincerely lie was bound to r!fpa
oat
his opinions and his memory, there were no ties r
Cr enitialtei ° preventn thii or
him
private i vi
na tteh
aatffeHaniuu afrnodmr
ceflpperactii, sow:ein.cmi:
own opinion on any fuhjedt that came before th
cfoorncdei fvccuiff to be
The
quite ll
prefent : as to the cafe of Lord Afhburton,
ll
be recollected that the place of the Duchy of
carterems not given him as an int.
dciafirel ne 7f.' and Lord
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' tn
lucement to take

m to let V.ihrelf i cmpa•iiin ; h.' Le
the G,:ntlemen ,‘ta the othrt fide, th,,t

y night fancy the Cervices t)f
por;ittg foroe pre • •i of that
lan rf the Contli u Were ly
he had ever pet! ; yet the valt
ia which made the greatett itur

Fe, and which mas ked his ch.irste't,
s his hanons Refolntim,: " I:At the

he crown had increated, was :arreaflor,,
be &mind-bed." When the man who

it Rtfohition, and acqui.t..: his fame

y it, dkolot think it contrary to his prin.
ratter to accept of the fame place for
apenfittion for gising ut, his profeflional
not fuppofe, that in sluing the fame
uld have been jultly ccmdemntd as
the due prerogatives of the Crown. He
peaed that this ohjedlion (hould he made
f the Noble Lord who had been princi.
ental in procuring that lunation for
non. It was frefh in the recollet:ion of
that the late Adminittrati iiii had pro.
ate Aft of Parliament to fecnre the:Noble
'as at the head of it ( Lord Grenville)
aw rf the land, to enable him to continue:
he enjoyment of a place entirely lncon
the additional place which he had accept-
t►ble Lord might as well have been called
ender the place Le held for life, as he to
Mace which had been tendered to him,
en on the other fide claimed great credit
• .dminiftration, in not giving awayplaces

except in one or two inftances. The :n-
-ever, which were the exceptions, were
was no manner of public fervice either
expefled to be performed. It had been
the Lord Chancellor had obtained thefts
who..had been his clerk .when he was a
It was not pretended, that as clerk to Mr.
had ever rendered any public ferviee, or
ce or places were given to him either in
r profiietively for any ferviees. He fhould
he Route :o confider, whether this mo-
rom any large and general view of the
whether it was not elireaed folely againit
lid wit mean to fay- perfonally, but from
-Oppofed to have facilitated the arrange-,
new Adminiaratinii. It would therefore
filbjf:6t for the crAideration of the Houfe,
prefent lia,e and crilis of the country,
all circirmilsnces conne6ted with the
.ernert were before them, when they re-
hat the cbjett ut tut ming a new Admini-
.as :u pi eferve the ettabliffiments of the
nd pt. hips the religion of it, he hopdd
nut b:.: dirpnled to throw any difficulties
of his blaj,:ity in forming a new Admini-
hen I.e conceived that in In doing he was
tying to preletve the Constitution of the
Having Paid thus much, he thought that
to leave the Inbjedt to the difcretton and
r f the Houle ; and that, as it particularly
iimfelf, he fhould withdraw, after having put
in poffetlion of his fentiments; bur, before
ew, he thould repeat, that whatever might
etermination on the tub:it& of the Duchy of
r, and whatever facrifices he might be called
make, no fervices that he could be called
ender to his Maielly; fhould, in the preterit
of aff,,irs, be withheld.
RCEVAL then made his bow, and left the

UMER role merely to vindicate bimfelf
ctilige that was yellerday brought againft
taking a Ratement in that Houle on the mere
of an idle rumour. It appeared now, from
s fallen from the Right Hoti. and Learned
an, that his Ra:ement had been perfectly car-
that if it had not been for the notice taken
night in the Houle, the bufinefs would hare
tar to remedy it, and the Right Hon. Gen-
mild have now been in poffeffion of the tiro
Ile did not pretend to deny the merit of the
on. Gentleman, or mean any thing perfonal
s au, but he had a great objedlion to the prin..
iveng a great place for lite, merely as an in-
to a perfon to accept of an office in the fer•
the country. the emoluments of which had
been confidered a full dent compenfatiun.
HENR Y PETTY Paid, that if he had
n to perfonally alluded to by the Right e
able and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Pelee.
did not think he fhould have troubled
le with any ob/crvations upon the prefent
. liz was ready to join •perfeelly with the
ntl::nan who had brought forward' this mu-
difclaiming any thing like perfonal hotlility
nal reflection upon that Right Hon. and
Gentleman, who was the mot immediately
d in the prevent motion ; and he had no he-
at Rating, that if the falary annexed to the
of Chancellor of the Exchequer was not Inl-
and he believed it was nut), he fhould have no
n to granting loch an augmentation to it, as
fford a reafonable and proper compenfatioss
fervices which might be expeited from the
on. Gentleman. But although he cam*
a to a place for life being given to that Gee-
in order to induce him to accept the luta-
.et as he had not before Paid a word upon the
he did not know bow the Right Hon. Ger
hadildifcovered that he intended to fuppott
lion. He thought it was all.° fumewhat grange
fhould be charged with acting
manner difrefpeetful to the tre•nary of his
lation (the Marquis of Lanfdown) ice f be
ts o wasf
be bound completely by thole preden
• r 176 z or 1783. He thought there was $
s ifference between the cafes cited and the re:
.ut if there were not, he fhould not ibtnit
air to charge him with incontinency, if he
hold a different opinion. That relation, fo
d dear to him (the Marquis of Lanfdown, his
) had abundant claims upon his love and re-
without adverting to the cafe of Lord Afhbur-
But, however fincerely he was bound to refPl
inions and his memory, there were no ties.°
nthip, or private affeetiun and refp
reffiati
n wbw
his
prevent him in that Houle from expg
pinion on any fubjeet th.tt came before them
fcuflion. The cafe of Lord Leclunere he
ved to be quite dininel and feparate frot
lt
the
t:as to the cafe of Lord Afbburton, vau,
°Reeled that the pace of the Duchy of Lan-
was not given bin as an inducement to take