Star.
London, England, 1830-05-19 00:00:00

KOVVILZIONTY OF GREECE.

The Marquis cf LONDONDERRY said, he was anxious to
say a very few words, seeing the noble earl, the Secretary of State for
the Foreign Department, in his place, relative to the motion which
stood for Tuesday next, and of which he (the Marquis of Lon-
dondeny) had given notice. The object which he had in the mo-
tion was, to elicit from his noble friend some explanation as to the
time of foreign policy, particularly with respect to Greece. Two
years had now elapsed since his noble friend had held the office
of foreign secretary, and yet he (the noble marquis) had not been
able to discover the principles of his foreign policy. (Hear, hear.)
--His noble friend had, more than two months ago, stated in
the house, that the recognitions relating to the affain of Greece had
been nearly brought to a conclusion ; now ke(the Marquis of Lon- 1
donderry) should bested to know whether those papers were in estate
to be laid before the house ? If the documents were ready to be
laid before Parliament, be had no desire to embarrass his majesty's
ministers, by bringing forward the motion with respect to the fo-
reign policy of this country to which he bad adverted, and he should
therefore withdraw his motion. It was thought, however, that the
people of this country ought rather to derive their information
from his majesty's gouermuent on a question of foreign policy,
than to the publications which appeared in the European Ge.
:cites. The British Parliament, he conceived, ought not to
be the last to whom official notice was given of so import-
ant an arrangement as that which had taken place in reference
to the sovereignty of Greece. The case, as it stood at pre-
sent, was this—the high contracting parties to the alliance had
changed what was supposed to be the establishment of an indepen.
dent in, into a sovereignty, to whom they had given a King,
and the illustrious personage elected to fill that high and important
situation; drew a large sum of money front the pockets of the people
of this country. The policy of the measure might be doubted ; he
questioned whether the people of England would like to see a sub-
ject of this country (for subject of this country that illustrious per-
sonage now remained) draw so large a sum to spend upon the Greeks
--s race of men, in these days, undeserving the boon which the high
contracting powers had conferred. There were various reports in
circulation as to the arrangement and he understood that the illus-
trious Prince himself had expressed some doubts of the policy or
propriety of his accepting the sovereignty. The noble Marquis
thought the Turkish government had been most unjustly treated, and
which redounded to the disgrace of the British nation. We had
first offered an amicable interposition, and that was presently turned
into hostility. He did approve of the conduct of Russia. That go.
vernment bad come forward, and, in effect, said to Turkey, " I ,
will remit you a million of ducats, in order that you shall acquiese
in this arrangement, to which we (the contemning powers) have
agreed." Neither did he agree in the policy which hat been pur-
sued respecting France. These was the mystery—an tncompren.
slbility—about the foreign policy which had lately been adopted.
It was not confined to the host, but extended to the West. He
thought Also that the menacing position in which France had
placed herself was to be viewed with great suspicion. He
was apprehensive that we had been hoodwinked by Russia
on the one hand, and hoodwinked by France on the other;
and that those two powers (uniting with Austria) had chalked out ,
for Great Britain the line of policy they wished, instead of following,
as heretofore, the line of policy Great Britain dictated He
that the papers would be produced, and urged his noble frietr
give some explanation on the subject, The circumstances in which
the country was now placed—the deep anxiety that pervaded all
classes—made every thing of foreign interest of a secondary nature.
He would not repeat what he had stated as to the object be had in
view when he ;gave notice of the motion.
The Earl of ABERDEEN—My Lords, the house will scarcely
expect me to follow the Noble Marquis in the observations which
be has thought proper to make. 1 shall answer the question which
has been put to me, and on this occasion I shall do no more. I beg
to state that the papers in question are now in the printer's hands,
and I shall present them on Monday. Ido no, my Lords, not be.
cause of the motion of the Noble Matquis--still less in consequence
of what has appeared in foreign gaseues—but simply because the
transaction has arrived at that stage at which his Majesty's mi-
nisters think it to be their gouty to lay the proceedings before par-
!lament

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY then moved that the order
for his motion, which stood for Tuesday, be discharged.--Agreed to.,
The bills on the table were advanced one stage—among which
was the Hungerford-market Dill, which was mad a third time, and
passed.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE pigmented a petition from Newark,
spinal allowing climbing boys so sweep chinamys.
From sis to a quarter to sight the house was scat pied in bearing
evidence in Nippon of the East Read Disfranchisement Bill. The
further consideration on the bID was postponed to Friday.
Thekloidshipe then adjogined till Manenew (this day) at ten.

HOUSE OF COMMONS —TrEsp.tv.A, •
MISCELLANEOUs. • •
Upon the motion of Mr. Aldernum WOOD, Council and evidence
were heard uo. pon Wallace. divorce bill, and the report •brit Agin up
and greed t
Mar. EDMISTON pre4ented a petition from Chelmaford, against
the beer bUL—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. A. ELLIS presented a petition from Evesham, agaii.at the
punishment of death for forgery.
The Hon. Member moved for a remelt of the number or p ,t,
convicted of forgery on the bank of Ireland since the year 17.11.
Ordered.

Lord G. SOMERSET presented a petition from the ir0ne....1
of Monmouthshire, against the monopoly of the East India Ct, t..
pany.—ltefened to the committee.
Mr. KNOX presented a ppeetition from [hope ion, against tl•-•
increased duty on sptri ered to be printer'.
Mr. SLANEY presented a petitio n from Shiite!, in favour u'
the bill for preventing the payment of wages in truck.—Ordersd to
be printed.
Mr. V. SMITH presented a petition front the chamber of canD.
coerce of Tralee,.against the increased duty on spirits and sta.. ps.
Ordered to be printed.
Mr. H. MAXWELL presented a petition from a parish in W. 5-
foul, complaining of the pressure of the county Cess in Irelm.d.
Ordered to be printed.
Mr. WALLACE presented a petition from the letter-press Fit—
ters of Kilkenny, against the increased Duty on Newspaper Stamps.
—Ordered to be
_printed.
Colonel LYGON presented a petition from Kidderminster, against
the Insolvent Debtors' Bill —(hdeted to be printed.
Mr. MAXWELL presented petitions from tl e cotton spinners of
a parish in Lancashire and from Calton, against the East India
Company's monopoly.—Refetred to the Committee.
Mr. LENNARD presented a petition from a dissenting congre-
gation in Exeter, against the punishment of death for forgery.--
Ordered to be printed.
Lord STANLEY presented a petition from the Chamber of Com-
merce and Manufactures in Manchester, praying the house to adopt
measures to protect the property of British merchants in Mexico,
and to induce the crown of Spain to give up a system of petty lies.
Wide'. very injurious to the interests of neutrals, and without afford-
ing a hope of recovering the former rights of Spain in South America.
—Ordered to be printed.
Sir E. KNATCHBULL presented a petition from an individual
named Gunning, praying for certain alter:airs in the poor laws.
Ordered to he printed.
Also a petition horn the publicans of Tunbridge, against the
Beer Bill.—Ordered to be printed.
Also two petitions (torn Ashford And Margate, sgainst the severity
of the criminal law.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. C. BULLER presented a petition from the merchants ot
Glasgow, calling for protection of Del ish interests in Mexico.-
Ordered to be printed.
Mr. EGERTON presented a petition from 3liddiewich, against
the It clsh judicature bilL—thdeted to be printed.
Mr. HUME presented a pttition from the distillers of Aberdeen.
against the malt regulation bill.—Ordered to be printed.
Also a petition from Rochester, praying for the abolition of
t then. The honoureble member agreed with the petitioners. iu
stating that the tithes was one great cause of the present unem-
ployed state of the labouring poor. The petitioners did not
advocate spoliation, but wished all parties to be compensated fur the
loss of what they held by the existing law. They stated that they
found nothing in the New Testament which authorised an expensive
hierarchy like that which belonged to the establis:ied Church, and
in that he also fully concurred. He agreed with them that there
would be no danger in taking away the stipends of clergymen alto-
gether, leaving them to be paid by their own congregations.
Sir H. INGLIS protested against the doctrines of the hon. mem-
bee fur Aberdeen. He would tell the hon. member, that when he
purchased his estate in Norfolk, he purchased nine.tenths of that
estate, and the other tenth was the property, of the church, by the
same tenure under which be and every other gentleman in the county
held what landed property they possessed.
Mr. PROTHEROE denied that the clergy of the church of
England held their revenues independent of the performance of their
duties. If so, he thought it was time the house interfered, and that
some other system was devised. But such was not his opinion. lie
believed that if the Bishops were better supported by that house and
the country, they would eonipel a more rigid performance of the
duties of the clergy within their respective Dioceses.
Sir E. KSATCHBULL said that his hon. friend the member
for the University of Oxford had stated nothing so preposterous as
that the clergy of the Church of England were entitled to their reve-
nue, whether they discharged their duties are not. He mated that
the clergy held their right to the tenth of the produce of the land by
the same laws which secured the other nine-tenths to the proprietors.
He thought it would have been well if an bon. member of that house
bad waited until the feelings of those were known whose opinions
had been attacked.

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After a few words from Mr. PYSME PALMER,
Mr. BARING said he wished to take a middle course between
the hon. member for Montrose and the hen. baronet (Sir R. Inglis).
On a former occasion he had alluded to the income of the Sec of
Bsho
London. He now must say that he implicitly believed every thing
that had been stated on the subject by the of Londoe, but
at the same time he had spoken from what he thought to begood
information. It was desirable that all exaggerated rumours should
be fully met, and the Church, if pursuing its best interests, would
not shun investigation. The Commutation of Tithe Bill bad worked
so well in Ireland, that it was certainly to be hoped. some similar
' measure might be found advantageous to this country. The pay-
ment of the clergy by tithes was most mischievous,and calculated to
produce an effect totally different to that intended. He bhould
therefore be ready to go into the subject when it was taken up in a
fitting manner. but certainly his hon. friend ( %tr. Hume) was not
the person he thought likely to do much good with it.
Mr. ESTCOVRT modes few observations, but as the hon. member
spoke from under the gallery, be was inaudible in it.
The petition was read, and
Mr. HUME, on moving that it be printed, contended that the
revenues of the church ought to be inquired into. He wished to see
the church of England put upon the same footing as the church of
Scotland, if it was thought necessary to have an established church
let all. He certainly did not think it necessary.
After a few words from Mr. PROTMEROE and Mr. EsTCOURT,
the petition was ordered to be printed.
lessen gas from the lords Informed the house that their lordships
had agreed to the London Bridge Bill, and several other bills.
Mr. HUMS presented a petition from certain debtors, prisenevs
'in the Borough Gaol of Liverpool for debt. The petitioners prayed
for the abolition of arrest upon mettle process. He supported the
petition, and recommended it to the attention of the house. He
was glad of the step which had been taken, and hoped the subject
would speedily be treated properly.
The ATTORNEY-01:N r.RAIs assured the boa. member that
there was a great division of feeling upon the subject. Ile did not
think the country would assent to the total abolition of arrest upon
nicene process, and he felt that he had gone as far as was safe in
confining it to debts above 1001. Being upon his legs, he would
take that opportunity of asking his noble friend (Lord Alorpeth) it
be would withdraw his notice of motion for leave to bring in a bill
to repeal so much of 60 Geo. 111. c. 8, as subjects persons upon the
second conviction for libel to banishment. He did so because it
would be his duty to introduce a bill, having for one of its objects
the precise intention of his noble friend.
Lord MORPETH said, before he gave up his motion he should
be glad to know whether there were any other provisions in the At-
torney-Gencral's bill besides the repeal of that part of the law ?
The ATTORNEY.GENERAL said the bill proposed that all
persons setting up newspapers after its passing, should ewer into
security for 1001. more than at present, as a security for those who
might recover damages for private libels.
Lord MORPETH said, on that explanation he should giie.. up
his motion; though be might oppose the additional clause of the
committee.

Mr:O'CONNELL said, prohibiting arrest under 1001. was some
improvement ; but no man should be arrested for debt to any amount
without Investigation before a judge. He 'Wield protest against
any further shackles on the public press.
Mr. C. IL%RCLAY was decidedly adroit to doing away with
arrest Air debt, and there was also a strong feeling on the subject in
the public mind.
Lord CHANDOS asked whether government had any objection
to the appointment of a committee to examine Into the state if wade
with the %Vest Indies?

Mr. PEEL "aid it was the duty of goverruustg to give the im.
portant subject the fullest consideration; but hi believed ups ap-
pointment of a oumntittee at so late a period of the session would not
be productive of any advantage.
Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from the journeyn:en
silk-weavers of r,pitailleida,compltioung of disires", 'and praying for
retrenchment of the civil list sod u:hqy expenres ; iaso toe a repeal
of the corn laws and for parliamentary reform. They also com-
plained that 50,0001. was given Ida German Luisa., who ought to
be satisfied with much less; withal too mush jemmy was sp./ ft in
the building of palaces, whets the etmtitry earls so deplorable a
situation.
kit. FYLER supported the *ilk*, and said that no redrets
could be afforded as long as the thocupely in an was main-
tained. . is 1'
Mr. O'CONNELL presorted ailletadow bee Mr. Jam.. Kelly,
a Lieutenant in the Revises Peak* tomplablig et-hoeing been
dismissed from his situation without tie op, iiniestiOsiso of his
conduct. •nrl ••
Mr. 0. DAWSt PN thot cony sprortenisp lei balsa af.
forded to the petitioner msajd,
bate big am, hat *Mad not done
so. ile•wan dismissed for having meal*, dohnitil reward" tor
servires which had neva bees 11.umsd. He had been confronted
with his accwors and his answeso wire pored to be Ulm ; upon

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