Star.
London, England, 1814-11-29 00:00:00

HOUSF OF COMMONS.

Lord Wal.lngliam's Annie ity Dill was read a second time, nn
the motion ofMr.•LUSHINGroNI, and ordered to be committed
to-marrow.

On the question being put for going into a Committee on the
Hackney Coach Bill—

Gree;al THORN I'ON rose and said, that he soul I not inf-
. fel` this Bill to proceed farther. in its stages without stating the
Truant that induced him-to disapprove of it-in irs present Ana c
l'hr.provisions of the Bill of last Sessiol had already produced
notch benefit, and he was sorry ro find that they were to be
given up Before some more effectual -mans of accomplishing
their object could be enacted. Hackney-coachmen had become,
iti consequence of their operation, more civi!, and would now
tell their fare truly, which INrinerly was the cage. He hoped,
ihecelore, the HOHOUI Alt Gyntlenaan not press this mea-
sure at prevent. lie should take the lihery to state certain
things, Which, in his opinion, would he useful, if prouldedibr
in any 11111 that may pa La on the 4ulject. the first was, that
the number of the coach should be put up on the inside of it.—
Placed as it was at present, a person taking a coach in the dark
could not ;away; distinguish the number. II it were to be phc.-cl
within, there would be an opportunity of seeing it by the light
which would be let in when the door should be opened either
for entering or getting out of the coach. Another thing that
would be useful was, that the Comnils4oners should issue the
tickets foradilf.rent fares ,of dirt-rent iffhitst they were
t ail of tie same size, as heretofuee, it svc,ild be difficult to alb.'
darnels them a., night. When it was con.idered that the hard.
ship of the exturtioais of hackney-coachnien tell principally on
1.1(1,04, the 1-leust. %sunlit see more sttnngly the nece.,:ii of pro-
vidin3 for their .suppression. He trusted, therefore, that the
Honourable Gentleman would offer the bill to lee over aid after
the feces*. As a proof of the benefit derived fruits the niva,tare
;,eaaporeil to be repealed, he should real the circular which had
lately appeared born the Coitunis,itniers of Hackney Coaches,
(which- the Honourable Gentleman diJ) au vier:ion on their part,
tidied altogether by the stir winch had been made to enforcing
the providonvolthelate Act.

Mr. I.osl-IING I'U hoped the Honourable General would
concinus to give his a tendon to the *subject, and assist the House
with all ►he light he could throw upon it. He Lad no wish
to press this hill, and sliGuid therefore not object to the d-lay
required.
1 he Committee on the Bill was then put off to• the 10:h of
February.

a SPORT. OF SUPPLY—SICILY AHD SAXON V.
Mr. op.,oODN brought up the Report of the
Commitae; of Supply.
• Oa the cittastion that the Resolutions be read a se-
- coed him.. .
Mr.'WHITI3ItEAD, Considering that he could
have no other more convenient opportunity of put.
•sing-warseseinr -to-the. Right konourable the Chan-
cellor oi the .c.xclicquer, .whom he saw in his place,
than on a subject connected with the Supply, begged
to at.lc that Right honourable Gentkusan, whether
,A4l aswrion, stated in the public Prints to have been
inady by tiut.icing.ot Sicily to his Parliament, that
he. had made two lotto% which had been guaranteed
'ay this country, was or was.not true ? He could not
help reniat king to the House, the extraordinary cir-
cumstance, that upon all questions, ni finance coo•
nested with cur arrangements with foreign Powers,
Parlianteut received the first infotmatioss from foreign
Journals. It was •ftum Paris, and not from the
Treasury Bench; that that House, in these times,
obtitined the earliest intimation of the ohjects to which
the monies it was called upon to vote were to be ap-
pl;e.l. if this were not, like so many Other questions.
he had put to the 'Right Honourable Gentleman,
deemed unfit to be answered; he should be glad to
have the information he desired from him.

The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER
replied,. that, when the Sicilian Government was at
a 1055. f.,, means to support its military establishment,
the ry.General, under the sanction of Lilt
Bain`.:' • ~• r, had made some small advances, at
(times, amounting only, in the wirile,
t 04141,00- or £200,000. The money, bad been
in Sid/pi. He had to observe, however, that
this was vather an anticipation of the grant of the
GovetnMent as an euraordinary subsidy,
than a specific loan, and that the money would b.
deducted from the amount of the extraordinary sub-
sidy. He slionAd take that opportunity of correcting
a misunderstanding of something he had said on a
former night. Lt had been conceived. that he had
asserted, that this country had guaranteed the
Throne of Nagts to Joachim. He had done no
such thing. The Honourable Gentleman ( Mr.Whit-
bread) had stated, that it was so, and in replying!
to that Honourable Gentleman, without
or deayir,g what were stated by him as facts, he
only reasulted uuon them to spew that the HonoUrH
able Gentleman's conclusions from them were ui.t
correct.

Mr. WHITBREAD then observed, that as the
Right Hon. Gentleman thought this was a question
which might be answered, he ought, when be brdnit
forward the question of the subsidy, to have stated to
the House the purpose to which it was to be appliedi
It was not till Ferdinand' had told his Parliamen
what great things .Englina bad done for him, an
brht out a prospect of it was to 4h V: him, n
doubt' n the recovery of his theone of Wiple, that dui
,House could learn any piing ripen the suiject it
the kght!Hop. Gentletnan. Now seeing the strangti
and incompatible engagements which the Govern!
pent bad entered into, he would confess, be should
Father Naples should remain under its present GO
vernmen: than that Ferdinand shOuld be restored. It
appeared thin that Parliament had granted the subs
sii4y only to pay a 10.41 which this country had guae
ranteed ; and wheelhe Right Hon. Gentleman
talked of stopping the amount of the loan from the
subsidy, he pirofed that it was all a juggle. The
grant of the subsidy had no more to do with 'hi
State of Naples than with the State of China. Sc
far froM the Xing of Naples having any designs upot!

Sicily, he had declared in a proclamation, that he
was at peace with the whole world : and *hat was
'more, his ports are tapenao the flags of all nitioti6
not excepting even that of Sicily. There was another
point which it was necessary for hint to touch epod
here, respecting an event which, on a former night,
was said to be negotiating, Add not negotiated. He
wished to know whether the Right Hon. Gen+inan
opposite could any longer, after the proclamation
and speech of Prince Repoli', and The solemn deli-
very of the supreme adminiuration of Saxony to the
Prussians, deny that the annexation of that country to
Prussia was negotiated—that the robbery was actu-
ally committed ? For his own part, he could give
his consent to no grant of supply when he saw it eo.s
to be applied to support measures of spoli ition which
must infallibly lead to a revival of the seems of re-
volution and bloodshed from which the Continent
had ken but so recently rescued. The conduct f
the Allied Sovereigns in these acts of spoliation rests
in the true spirit of &mangle's policy, without any
of the merit of his able exocutien. When Lord Cas-
tlereagh described the members of Congress as in per-
fect good humour, it would appear that Prince Metter.
rich, who presided, mutt have told them what Bona:
parte would, under such circumstances, do, their acts
im exactly corresponded with his, except in the exe-
'nudism But be was surprised that aßt itish Minister
kotild accede to such things without telling his col-
' leagues what he was doinit. The Right lion. Ge
lena,an boasted, that when the time should come y
broad be able to justify themselves ; but he WAS afraid
!when the period of their gestation shall have pasto.d,
that they will say, the thing is now done, and we
!cannot undo it. Under this impression, he felt it ne-
'eessary to protest in this instance against the spolia-
tion of Saxony. He should protest against granting
any supplies which were to be applied in support of
such horrible and unprincipled acts of national op-
pression. The coalesced Powers had stated in their
proclamation, that they were contendi' g against the
principles of Bonaparte; yet the moment they ac-
quired the power, they adopted and acted upon hit
principles to the fullest extent. What benefit had.
they conferred on Europe ? Go to Spain, and you
;will' see tyranny existing there in its Most frightful
form. Go to Saxony, and Thielman and Lecocq
'will be found arrested for having advocated the in-
dependence of their country. Then look at the thole-
:ries that disgrace the proceedings of Congress. The
• Ministers art Bavaria and Wirtemberg differ about
precedence, like two vain women, or a pair of the last
batch of Baronets ; the subject is formally contested,
and the meetiog of congress is broken up. Having
stated thus much tipou the subject, he wished to ask,
whether the fate-of Saxony be now finally settled ?If
the fact be, as there was n o reason to doubt, from the
documents he had before alluded to, they should pre-
pare for another long, arduous, and bloody contest.
The people of the Continent would not submit to be
handed over like beasts. It was folly to talk of te-
;:ealing the Property 'Fax—Ministers were ease in
continuing it, and would perhaps be wiser if they
made it a pet pt tual Bill, for they were about to per.
petuate war, which rendered it necessary hear,
hear.) He concluded by repeating his questions re-
specting Saxony and Poland.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER-,
In observing upon what has Callen from the Honouraa
bie Member, I shall take the liberty of entering a lit.
the into the subject to which lie has adverted (hear.)
Whatever accusations he way bring against me, I
certainly do not intend to charge him with being de-
ficient in his duty, if entering his protest against the
proceedings of Government, whatever they may be,
constitute a part of that duty. I feel no objection to
give the Honourable Gentleman information upon
one or two points to which he has referred - (Hear,
hear.) First, with regard to Saxony: I believe that
the fate of that Kingdom has not, and cannot have yet
been decided, because the Congress by which the deci.
sion is to be made has not yet met— (Hear, hear.)—
cannot, therefore, believe that the tate of Saxony is
yet fixed ; much less do I believe that any British Mi-
nister would be a party to any such decision as is sup.
posed to have been made—(Near,' hear, from all park
of the Hoare.) As little do I believe (and the Hon.
ikatleatan will have reason on some future day to
• recollect my assertion) that any British Minister will
be a party to the subjugation of Poland—( Universal
chem.) On those points I hope the Honourable
Member is satisfied ; and having replied to his ques-
tions, it will be unnecessary for me to say any thing
further.

Mr. WHITBREAD begged leave to understand
the Right Hon. Gentleman correctly. Did he moan
to say, that he did not believe the fate of Saxony to
be already decided, or that a Britiah Minister coui,l
be a party to the suppression of tie dependence .01
Poland ? The Right Hon. Gentleman in OK. ,ttatici.
pation of his future triumph, had desired the House
to remember what he said on this occasion. What.
ever may be the result, be was ready to bear his share
of the blame of having been in error • and he shout,'
rcjoiccdbe to find that he had bee:mistaken. He
had nut accused Lord Castlereagh of favouring the
project against the independence of Pulmd. lie had
afraiken only of the rumour that had reached him on
tie subject. But still be thought that Loll"' Castle-
reAsh ought to have made some comnumi:ation
least to has Colleagues as to the state of the pa
inns ofCoeress on these points. ."-
The cHANCELLOK of the EXCHEQUER
hoped he should not be misunderstood. He had sal*.
he believed the fate of Saxony not to have been yeti
decided, because the Congress with which the final'
decision rested had not yet met. He, therefore, coo.
shined the actual possession of that country by
Wawa, as only a provisional military occupation.
As to Poland he should repeat what he had stated,
that he did not believe any British Minister would
cieate an impediment to the re-establishment of the
independent- of that country.
Mr. TIERNEY wished to know whether the Right
Hon. Cikatleman denied, that military vccupatton of