Star.
London, England, 1824-04-03 00:00:00

FOR. COUGHS, HOAILSENESSES,

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MR. GREENOUGH'S PECTORAL LOZENGES
of TOLU.—The great demand, after sixty years trial,
proves them a supetior remedy for all Coughs, Ilui:-.:enes,es,
Sure Throats, Asthmatic and Consumptiie Cnuplai:its. 'lie ge-
nuine only have " rt. Hayward" print.A on the stair?, I.y wham
they are prepared, as stivicssor to Mr. qrettiough,tiw
Sold in Boxes at la. 11d. each, by his appAintinent, by Newbery
and Sonar 43, ht. Paul's Church-yard ; Sutton aud Co. Bow
Church-yard l Edwards, 0, St. Pail's Church-yard ; Bayley and
Co. Cuckspur-street; Royal P.m.hange ; 34tnstuu, Cornhill ;
Ward, 324, I lolborat ; Huiwell, 20, Borough ; Sanger, 150, OL
ford-street ; Barclays, 93, Flert.nurket ; Butlers, 4, ChC..9Side
Blake, 47, Piccadilly; and the Venders of Genuine Medicines.—
Where also may be . had, Garessouon's celebrated .TlNcTent for
preserving the TaarH and Guns, and curing the Totix4-ACux, in
enlarged-bottler, at 2s. od. each.

Tise Earl of LIVERPOOL rose for the purpose of rnovir.g that
the Silk Duties Bill should he now read a si cond tine. He ob-
served, that the reluctance shewn to modifications in the exi 'dog
laws respecting the manufacture of silks, by those wl,o conceived
their iaterests likely to be affected, had 'o far operated on hit mind
as to induct him more mature:y to consider thr s•ihject ; and, the
more he had coisidered it, the more he was satisfied with the prin.
ciple of the present WI, and the more was 'he convinced of tbe
prospective good to be expected from it. At first, however, he had
supposed the manufacturing of silk entirely an article of an artificial
kind; but when he found, upon an examination of documents and
the benefit of evidence, that even in the town of Manchester from
30 to 40,000 were engaged in the silk trade, he was satisfied that
there existed a. certain pied pro tpun a reasonable protecting
duty. With respect to foreign conntries, it certainly was not de-
sirable to be outdone in their competition with us ; latt it was pro-
per for the eventual benefit of both panics, that they should im-
prove as we improved. He was satisfied that the present Bill
would really have a most -beneficial effect in extending and im-
proving the silk manufactures of this country. Prohibition ought,
in his view of the subject, to cease and determine with the duties
which bad before boat imposed. As, however, it was thought pro
per that our own manufacturers should have the start, two years
were allowed for such alterations and improvements as might be
suggested in the practice of the trade. The effect of the prohibi-
tory system had been to create and nourish smuggling of the most
objectionable kind among the higher circles in life, which tended
by example to injure the general morals of the country. He knew,
indeed, that bad the Executive been anxious for popularity, there
were other imposts or taxes which might have been taken off with
more satisfaction to the Public ; but the first duty of Government
was to regard the utility of measures, and particularly in a country
where restrictions had proved so hurtful to trade, and where free-
dom was most desirable to it.

The Moguls of LA NSDOWN rose, chiefly to express his con-
currence in the sentiments of the N.iblt Earl opposite ; and also to
add, that he was satisfi,:il that if the principle of prohibition were
left out of the present Bill, it would never be iutind in another.
When he looked to the facilities which the measure gave for oh-

canting the taw material; when he considered our superiority in
machinery of every sort ; and coupled both these considerations with
the known spirit of enterprise and exertion that distinguished our
manufacturers ; he was confident of results the most beneficial to
the community at large from the operation of the present Bill. It
had been thought that the period of one year might sulfictsto pro-
duce this change ; but if it w' re chiefly for the cultivation of good
temper, while accomplishing such an important change, to say 110.•
thing of respect to the opinions of those differing from him, the
„Noble Earl had, perhaps, done rightly in allowing the interval of
two years for bringing this measure to bear.
Upon the motion of the Earl of Ltv SR root., the Bill was now read
a second time, and ordered to be committed for Monday.
The Earl of CAR N A RVON presented a Petition from the In-
habitants of Manchester, praying for the Abolition of Slavery.
The Earl of DAR:N.I.EO( presented a Petition uf a similar na-
ture from the Inhabitants of St. Leonard's, Short-ditch. Ills Loid-
ship, on presenting it, expressed his sorrow that the PeriOcsoers had
not also thought proper to sympathise With those, thougii not slaves,
who were deserving of their sympathy nearer home.
Lord HOLLAND, seeing the Noble Lord at the head of his
Majesty's Treasury in his place, wished to know whether that in-
congruous and unconstitutional Commission for the repairing of
Windsor Castle had been superseded or not?
The Earl of LIVERPOOL in reply, waived the subject, as re-
ferring to a Royal Commission, which had emanated from the
Crown.
The Marquis of L ANSDOW NI presented a Petition from the
Grand Jury of Tipperary, in Ireland, who prayed their Lordships
not to consent to withdraw the Bounties on the coarser Linen. The
Petitioners in conclusion, stated that the apprehension of any such
measure had excited great alarm in the South of Ireland.
Lord CLARE presented a similar Petition from the County of
Limerick:

The Marquis of LA NSDOWN presented a Petition from Te-
doury, in the County of Wilts, which prayed for the Abolition of
Slavet y.
The Earl of ♦VICKLOW presented the Petition of several Free-
masons in Ireland, praying to be exempted from the operation of
the Secret Sotiedes Act.
TEE TITHE C'INIPOSIT10:1 ACT.

The Marquis of LA.NSDOWN said that he held in
his hand some Petitions of importance, at least as con-
nected with their object, which had lately been under the
consideration of their Lordships, and must shortly come
before them again. What he now referred to was, the
Act called the Tithe Composition Act, which he sup-
ported, as their Lordships might recolleit, last Session.
It would be recollected by their Lordships that the Bill
passed last Session did contain a certain clause providing
for the Clergy some exemptions, and greater ones than
the Lind-owners. lie would not object to this regulation
in some cases; but theie were ca es of a contrary kind,
when the benefit ought not always to be upon one side,
but in which the landhoPcr ought to have proper means
of reducing his receipts. If it were only for the sake of an
appearance of partiality in such cases, it were desirable
that farmers, whom the present Bill compelled to pay
more in composition than their receipts, should not al-
ways hod it impossible to pay snmewhat less. Then
again there was an evident obscurity in the Bill;
for all its arrangements had, cerainly not originated
with his Majesty's Government, as a clause was intro-
duced by the other House, by isiiith parties were ena-
bled to make a compromise-while getting rid entitely of
the machinery of the Bill. But notwithstanding all
these contrivances, it was found that the.arrangerucnts
were still intricate, and forced upon most unwi;ling par-
ties, who, under one of its clau-es, were pledged, if they
assented to one step, to proceed to another stage. diffe-
rent from their first design, and thus entrapped to assent
to both. What he wished was, therefore, that the par-
ties should never be dra•A n into a primary arranommt,
not decisive in itself, but leading to an after decision by
consequence. He could not help suiToriag, where to
many interests clashed, that, sorneliow or other, there
lot ked, under the forthcoming Bill, in the other Hou.e,
some scheme of accommodating the two gi eater.paiti
'the Clcigy and the Tither, at t:re expense of the third
nttty. When, last Session, he objected to this particular
clause, and pointed out its too probable effect, what
then was the answer he got frorn the Noble Earl ()Ko-
sice? Why he
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inttuck,l ;I) that no compulsion was
(the Maivis of Lansdown) was assured
by the Noble Earl
arid, that the Bill passed last Session

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would enable the proprietors of lands to give six votes'
each in all vestries met for compromising the tithe.—
What, however, now turned out to be the proper and
undi guised fact? He discovered, not more than six
months after, that the smaller and larger land proprie-
tors were to be placed on the same footing, -which led to
an order, ur rather a confusion of things, unparalleled
in this country ; so that, should the progressing Bill pass
the other House and como.before their tordship‘which
he hoped it
l would not, all theiiilluential property owners
would be out-voted•in vestries, and the subdivided at
last overpower the holders of uadivided lands. By ano-
ther clue any one Commissioner-under the Act was
entitled to examine all landlords and landowners—to
send for title-deeds, covenants, and other papers—and
so to examine and investigatethern. Was ever, he would
ask their Lordships, such an inquisitorial, such an un-
constitutional power, so hateful to the feelings of all ho-
nourable minds, attempted to be vested by any Bill, un-
der •stieh,Ciocumsrances,.in any man? He would appeal
to the Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack
'late LOAD CHANCELLOR here rose, and ad-
dre;Sed,the Houle in the following words : •
" $a Lnanso-I do not wish to interfere with Lour . Lordships
proceedings while in discussion on any given point. But the Noble
blargeis has been pleased to appeal to me; and I can only say, that
I believe this is the very first time your Lordships were ever in-
dulged in a debate upon a Bill only in progress to this House from
the other House of Parliament."

The Marquis of LANSDOWN resumed. He had
listened with due deference to the opinion of the Noble
and Learned Lord upon the Woolsack ; but he begged
to submit to their Lordships, and even to the Noble
and Learned Lord himself, that .leis observations were
bottomed on the prayer of the Petition which was con-
fided to him. He had been given to understand that a
design existed to do away with the system of averages,
in relation to the composition of tithes. It was pro-
posed, with such a view, that wherever the parties so
compounding had agreed to commute on an average,
calculated by the seven preceding years, such maximum
or minimum, be it more or less, should determine the
valuation fur the seven years ensuing, and not for three
yeris only. If such enactments were in contemplation,
they would be far, very far indeed, from remedying
the evils's% hich were occasioned by the Bill passed last
Session. His principal, aad indeed his only wish
upon this occasion was simply to put their Lord.
ships in possession of his sentiments on the subject, both
retrospectively and prospectively ; and, having so done,
he would not detain the licuse; for though he had
three Petitions, he should only move the reading of one,
being ail alike, and referring to one common complaint.
The Noble Marquis then presented his Petitions, which
here from the county of Tipperary, and which were
Lund upon the table.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL then rose and said,
villat their Lordships had principally to understand
svas, the exact state of the question—what the Bill of
last Session had accomplished, and on the contrary, in
rhat respects that measure had failed. And here it was
recessary to recal to their Lordships, that when the
Bili of last Session was presented to them, he treated„it
as en imperfect measure—one rather of experiment than
of certainty ; but which might upon trial be revised by
the benefit of experience ; and on this view he supported
it. At that time the only cause of difference was whe-
ther the measure should be compulsory or not, and
upon this clause alone their Lordships had divided, end
declate,!, by the result, against all compulsion. Now,
it such a measure, so applied, had succeeded in fifty
cases, he would pronounce it successful, inasmuch as it
formed a precedent for extending its operation, though
at the same time he certainly did-not desire to see the
principle in universal operation. Yet. he was prepared
to info) nt their Lordships, from the Papers now upon
the table of the House, that the Bill passed last Session
bad succeeded far beyond the hopes either of its sup-
porters or its opposers. More than one-tenth of the
parishes in Ireland, to the number of two hundred and
seventy-one, had benefited by the composition of tithes ;
and this not avowedly so much at the desire of the
Clergy as upon the joint application of the Clergy and
tithe-payer. Even since the meeting of Parliament,
when the Act in question was repiesented as of none
effect,' not less than thirty-nine compositions had taken'
place. But the fact was, that the nicasure was rather a
commuting of rights than of receirts ; but in most cases
the Clergy had not obtained more, but less, than they
might have got by standing to their right. Here, then,was
the oflice of the Commissioner, who acted by virtue of the
llill of last Session, as a sot t of moderator to both parties.
From the Returns on the table, both in Irish and in
English, it appeared that the measure had operated in
a most liberal manner in the Dioceses in Ireland. In
those of Cashel and Clonfert, for instance, the compo-
sition was arbitrated at one shilling and three pence per
acre; in others at even sixpence ; and in the Dioceses of
El phiii and Meath, the ratio was eleven pence per acre for
the Clergy. Ile stated these particulars in order to chew
their Lordships the reasonableness of the commutation
made under the Act upon the pats of the Clergy. He
would assert that the reeasule had even now succeeded
far beyond the expectations of those who proposed it ;
and, under these circumstances, it remained for their
Lordships to consider how far it might be desirable to
continue the working of it.
The Earl of KINGSTON, in presenting Petitions
from Templetown, Kilbeggan, and other places (which
were ordered to lie on the table), fur alterations in the
Irish Tithe Composition Act, stated, that he knew not
one parish that had commuted for tithes tinder the Act.
Polishes were without Churches, so that Protestants
went to Mass, which was butter than not goieg to any
place of worship, and, in process of time, their deAetid-
ants had become strict Catholics. lie himself had ad-
ti the peasants to bewat e of the:pros isions of the
• Lord KING lamented that the i,ious intentisli of the
Legislature, which had voted such sums of motley for the
building of churches and glebe houses, should have
been so strangely counteracted, as it appeared they had
been, according to the statements just made. But he
thought it hard to single out an individual for censure
whet) there were so many of the piolession who were as
much to blame--(A ).
Lord CLARE presented tour Petitions from pat ishes
against the Irish Tithe Compo-
the county of Clare,
sition Act. - He observed that the principal errors of the
system seemed to be the exposure of the residents to the
power of the clergyman, as well as the retaliatory power
of the residents capable of being exercised to the preju-
dice of ecclesiastical property.
Lord DARNLEY said, that what their Lordships
had heard that night supplied them with a very power-
fel argument for entering upon the subject of which he
had giveirnotice for Monday—that of the State of Ile-
hind. With respect to the necessary independence and
.sacredness of ecclesiastical property, which had been
just alluded tot he perhaps entertained sentiments diffe-

rant from those just 'delivered. certainly the Church
of *had was not upon .so perfect a footing as our
Church, or as it ought to be.—The Petitions were or-
dered to be laid on the table.
STATE OF IRELAND.
Lord LIVERPOOL hoped that the Noble Lord op-
posite (Lord Darnley) would postpone his motion upon'
the State of Ireland, for the convenience of the 'louse,
for a few days.
Lord DARNLEY said, he should not hesitate to post-
pone the motion until Thursday next. The Noble
Lord then adverted to the extraordinary number of trials
for murder that had taken place in Ireland during the
last Assizes, and particularly alluded to a trial in the,
King's County ; adding that those desperate symptoms'
'chewed the necessity of producing some measure im-
mediately. He concluded by moving, that the Clerk
of the Peace for the King's County should furnish an,
account of all the trials for murder which had taken
place in that county during the last Assizes.—Ordered.
The Earl of HARROWBY did not wish the motion
postponed to a later day, except to allow the papers to
be all presented which the Noble Lord had moved for,
and which he-feared could not be laid before the House
on Thursday.
Lord DARNLEY could not agree to postpone his
motion beyond Thursday.—Motion put off till that day.
Lord KINGSTON moved for a return of the number
of years that Sir T. Mostyn had served the office of
Sub• Sheriff to the county of Sligo.
The LORD CHANCELLOR wished to know for
what object ?
Lord KINGSTON said, there was a law in Leland,
that no Sub-Sheriff should serve the office two years
running; and that he must take an oath to that effect.
Now he understood that Sir T. Mostyn had filled the
office year after year, still taking oaths that he had not
served it the year before.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, it was the duty
of the Noble Lord to prosecute this person for peijury.
Lord KINGSTON did not conceive it the duty of in-
dividuals to prosecute for crimes like these.
After a few words horn Lords HOLLAND and HAR-
ROWBY, Lord KINGSTON withdiew the motion, and
said that on Thursday he would bring it forward in
another shape.

matter of jurisprudence, and not a religious question.
It had been clearly proved that an Established Religion
was necessary for a State, and it must be fenced with
exclusive privileges, one of which was the celebration of
marriage: a right of which the Church ought not to be
deprived, but for good and valid reasons. He would
deal with the Unitarian as he would be dealt with him-
self. It this Bill passed he thought they could no longer
say that the same privileges should not be extended to
every other class of Dissenters. That would greatly
diminish the number of marriages in the Established
Churches, and would consequently greatly diminish the
little income of the poorer Clergy ; now he thought
their Lordships were not prepared to deprive them of
that little pittance.
Lord HARROWBY said, if he saw any danger to
the interests of the Church from this measure, he would
be one of its greatest enemies; but he could see
serious objections in a person giving his assent to the
epithets "GOD the Father, GOD the Son, and GoD the
J-loly Ghost," • who disbelieved in the Trinity.—
Marriage was but a civil ceremony, to which they at.
cached w religions sanction, to make it more binding on
the conscience. •

Lord CALTFIORPE said, he should do the Unita-
tarians an injustice if he did not admit that they had
often shewn themselves foremost in the cause of liberty
and humanity; but he could not help recollecting that
the opinions they entertain are at variance with what
the Church of England considered to be the very es-
sence of Christianity. He joined decidedly in opposing
any alteratiod in the Liturgy or Marriage Ceremony of
the Church of England. in compliance.with the wishes
of the Unitarians; and he ><•as glad the Reverend Bench
had set its face against any such alteration.
The Earl of WESTNIORLAND would vote against
the Bill, because he absolutely and distinctly objected
to the principle of ir, as it altered the law of the
land, and the establishment of the Church. It was not
consistent with the true principles of toleration to grant
such an exemption to these Dissenters, rather than to all
the other sects of them. If it was given to one sect, it
should he given to them all.
The Bisilup of LONDON thought the policy which
induced the Legislature to give the solemnization of
marriages, to the Church, was a very wise one; and
therefore no infringement of it should be suffered, with-
out very weighty grounds. In this case he saw none;
fur a man coming to the Church to be married, did not
by that give his assent to any of the doctrines of the
Church, but only to go through a particular ceremony,
which he could not get performed elsewhere. In cases
where Jews and Quakers were married by the Church
of England, they were required to prove that they were.
Jews or Quakers; but the Unitarians were to be ex-
empted from this, and the Public thereby deprived of a
very important security. Unless the Bill was very much
altered in the Committee, he could not give it his assent.
Lord HOLLAND argued in favour of the measure;
and the LORD CDANCELLoft explained.
The Marquis of LAN'SDOWN replied.
Then house then divided, when the numbers were—
Contents . - 21 Not Contenti
Proxies - - 14 Proxies
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The Bill of course was read i second time upon a majority ot
two. It was ordered to be committed on illonday.—Adjouram‘ t

lIOUSE OF COMMONS.

Lord STANLEY moved the third tc..eiing of the Lancaster
Judges'. Lodging Bill.
General GASCOYNE moved.as an Amendment, that the Bill
should be read a third time on Tuesday.—On this Amendment the
House divided.—For the third reading 41—Against it, 24—Ma-
jority in favour of the 'Bin, 17.—The Bill was then read a third
time and passed.
Mr. -Alderman WOOD said, he bad several Petitions to present
against the second reading of the St. Catherine's Dock Bill; and
here he must observe, that a paragraph had appeared in one of the
blornitig Papers, imputing to him that he was the author of this
Bill. Now hr could assure the House, that he had no knowledge
whateier of this Bill until after it was in the House. lie had, in-
deed, presented one Petition in favour of the Bill, but he had pre-
sented several against it ; and they must be strong reasons indeed
which would prevent his opposing the second reading of the sill,
when he considered the arguments which had been used by a nu-
merous body of his constituents against the construction of these
Docks. The lion. Alderman then presented Petitions against the
Bill from the Commissioners of Sewers for the Parish of St. Ca-
therine's; from several Ship-owners, from a body of Merchants,
and from a number of the Inhabitants of St. Catherine'sAU or-
dered to he printed.
The Sheriffs of London presented a Petition from the Lord Mayor,
Aldermen, and Common Council, against reviving the Alien Bill.
Mr. Altitirman WOOD said, that he strongly approved of the
Petition. It was agreed to at a full meeting of the Common Coun-
cil, and was carried by large majority. Many of the Common
Councilmen had reason to know the injurious character of the Bill,
for many of their ancestors had perceived the advantages of suffer-
ing foreigners to reside amongst us.
Alderman II EY G ATE thought that such power ought to rest'
with the Ministers; and he had sufficient confidence in them to
lease it to them to determine when such measure ought to cease.
Alderman C. SCI ETII expressed similar sentiment4.—The Peti-
tion was ordered to be printed.
The Sheriffs of London also presented a Petition from the Com.
Mon Council, against the St. Catharine's Suspension Bridge Bill.
Sir J. YORKE trusted that the House would pause before it
agreed to this Bill—it would be a most " diuightly" object; for,
only think of an enormous umbrella spread over acres of ocean!!
Mr. J. SMITH said, that, the principles on which the Bridge
were to be built merited approbation.
Mr. HUME thought the Hon. Baronet had unfairly opposed the
Bill; the principle of the Bridge had frequently been advantageously
tried. It would be no obstruction to the River.

Sir I. COFFIN said, that no bridge could be built without ob-
structing the River.

Mr. II UM E replied, that this Bridge would go over the River.
Mr. CALVERT said he should oppose the Bill, as it interfered
with the property of his constituents.—Ordered to lie on the table.
A Petition was presented from Mr. Hoare, a brewer, against the
St. Catharine's Docks Bill. Several other Petitions were presented
against the said Bill, from Wm. Clay, Wm. Fitzroy, several Ship-
owners, the parish of St. Botolph, Aldgate, &c.
Alderman 'THOMPSON presented a Petition from Wm. Ponti-
fez, against the Fleet-market Bill.
ST. CATHICAINS'S DOCKS.

Mr. P. GRENFELL moved the second reading of the
St. Catherine's Docks Bill. Under ordinary circum-
stances, he should make no remark ; loaras the Bill was
to be opposed, he should trespass on the House for a
short time. Docks were much wanted for the in-
c reasedanil increasing commerce of the country. In 1798,
the exports and imports were £30,000,000; they• were
now £56,000,000. Independent of such increase, there
was the Warehousing Act of a former Session : and by
!that Act upwards of 200 different articles might be de-
posited in warehouses in this country. The Company
asked no exclusive privileges. The grounds on which
this Bill was opposed by a monopoly, which, he trusted,
would never be renewed, were those on which the Bill
ought to be supported. -
Mr. CALVERT opposed the Bill. The Docks al-
ready provided for huodreds of thousands of tons more
than were wanted ; he therefore moved as an amendment,
that the Bill be read a second time this day six months.
Sir J.YORKE seconded the amendment, and in doing
so he should tire off his squib at the blue-eyed Nun of
St. Cathei ine's—(A laugh). This pretty piece of work
had for some time occupied the
.attention of 18 gentle-
men and a half; namely, 18'gentlemen who had sub-