Star.
London, England, 1831-08-12 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PA LIAMENT.

HOLE OF LORDS, Ago. 11.
Several petitions, on the subject of education in Ireland,
were presentsd and laid on the table.
Lord TRY NH A3l moved, that attain Irish returns
moved for on the 4th and bdt of July last, be laid before the
house forthwith.

TS[ CORONATION.

Lord STRANGFORD impressed a wish to put a quern
Lion to the noble earl; as it did nut :elate to the sudden in.
vasion of Holland, or the spoliation of Portugal, his hope
was that It could be answered without injury to the public
service. I wish, said the noble earl, to know whether,
among the various disgraceful and unseemly curtailments to
which his Majesty's apprusching colonation bas been subject,
it 1 intended that the Peers of England and Ireland are to
be deprived of their undoubted rights, la being denied the
honour of humbly laying their homage at the foot of tile
throne, at the moment his Majesty enters into the great
contract with his people; I understand, with respect to this
p of the cereimmial, that instead of being performed, as
ip !wows cases, by each individual Peer, the service is to be
done by delegates nominated by his Majesty's Ooveniment,
Who give to caen of us a sort of godfather to promise and
swear us oar names. I wish to know from the noble ear/
whether this is the arrangement?
Earl OKEY.—I will give the Noble Lord • direct an-
swer to his question. He has spoken of the disgraceful and
unseemly curtailments which have taken place in the tete-
meals' .of the corona•ian. Instiller they are uomeinly or
not, Mill
.be for the public to decide. It has been the de-
aim of his Majesty's Gammon, and more especially the
desire of his Majesty, in acciadance with the feeling which
invariably prevails in all his Majesty's actions, to avoid a,
much as possible making on his own account utineeestary
demands un the public. (Hess, hear.) It bas been the
desire of his Majesty, without doiag away any of tie
essential forms om the solemnity, to dispense with this
Which are no longer In acurthe.ce with the habits of tilt
times,. but are attended with great ezkabe. It ha.
beet the object of his. Alajesty's tiovernment to curtail
as much as possible the Crteunniiisl, but not in on unbe-
coming way. They wish to avoid ali expenses that call
be saved. Ou that principle alone it is inteistied to abridge
the ceremony of the cotonation.• Now, as to the mann_f
which homage ie to be dune to his Majeity, all 1 can say is,
ilia' it is wit intended his Majesty's gavernment shall have
any power ut se ketion. It will be independent of the iu.nts-
, ters. Tie cerenantiLil of the eutiinsitib.. Is still under the.
consiiiCtotion of tide Pri•y Council, and they have not de.
cided. What. vet the'y decide will be with tau: lejentl to
public principle. will die *wit is tight both at h
gatlio the allegiance which belongs to the suEsj,ct, a..d the
public be..etit tt.r her it is ltot necis,oy tot we ar a ...wee,
but when taw tout: earl stases it has ticeo 'The cosh) o are
every pert to 110 Ituthae, j Where Inc iihule earl is
,a root; informed ; 'I believe it has brett .ht C4C40•11
Kniet; Pisei a: the coronation to uncles th rat nage of
the rist; 11'1 the mailer is Oscines!, ui do
peinciple )ablie convenience seta ate true dig At) of,
the 06wo.
, .Thit Marquis of LANSDQW NC said is might he Mts.
ristetoki.fo the 'noble tail Id ki:ow'tlliet tlw istissairoal or vat
00,C$411011,would be' stibjso the' Pi svy Leaatict• u... 1, dad
'riot blsilifijoirli Ord tptiVhe • • •
Iao4.6TRA‘p(fiFORD, vomiting • membee of the
Pri;ti' naafi; Ist 'hid' tab 'Mare in. die- arranges,
%eat. . The subject was "bruit tell to soidethltis lake • a
e4raw'," Ho did not MA .011ditstiend'ilte' sOsi whlchi
iliey 'wed shootaWd, tat' it"lppessetl' to to 'be's

mockery to my the government had no sh3re in the tie.
liberation.

Lord HOLLAND thought the Noble Eng utiacq,osiii :et!
with the subject. The Sovereign had a right to apeonit a
commission of the Privy Council to give his Majesty intim •
=eon, and that had been done. lie did not entertain the
least apprehension as to •heir pretending.. They were not
living under a King whit.ltad nn intercourse with his people.
in fact, there was nothing peculiar in the ceremonial Of the
coronation. to make the Sovereign more responsible after
the coronation thio'he was before
The Doke ort'ELLINGTI IN admitted that the cere-
monial had been vubmitted to the I'tivy Council in the
usual way: Wlth respect to tiut emanation itself. his Grace,
for one, was sorry to see tit st.ciir ton tai ahriapd.
Lord HOLLAND in sly' risti.m.
The Marquis oc LON Di IN D 'it Y thought the noble
viscount (Strangfind) had 014 trod an ',Wigs, ,on up to their
lurdships by putting nut Tteit.,l.• t.i tt e tudAe earl. H.• knew
thereltvre peers w'to would :is,. hen proud to do homage
to the sovereign rue ceremony had been abridged
hnpronerly, and condoned upon the eforming principle.
The people had a d. etre to see the ceremony in its ancient
splendour.

V•semmt 41:11. tlh• altetat on of the homage
Sad been twessioned by the eircontstance, that at the ono-
natirm nftioortrr IV. it was done tray the n (all
had d.orrisied. The nobl.• Ind. in making the Important
il.oelvery mantle denial of right, ha.! found another naireo
twit. rf it should nun out Mot the .am.• course was pm--
411 M in 111- rely, nt G •orunt •he Fmt*.h. the noble m rqUi,
how unfounded Ws (thee-yr-Owls were It was
v-re w.• 11 for •he noble martinis to ascribe to other motives
which hr himself would disd tin. hut he (Lord God.rich)
should rej •et throe imputations with
Ravi C RRY said, the only objet his Majesty 's govern-
ment had WAS the rNltiction 01 the expense of the coronation
The last enranatinfl ens; 24 0001. and th-y intended to save
at the enonina eerem.inialono-ti..h of that •u-n.

THE 14 'oil n cif A NcELLtht reminded their lordships
that they had been tlisetimit.g a mater foreign to the ques-
tion before the House. wiiieh wig for Irish papers,
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY sui i, in answer to
the noble viscount, that he should espresa his *pinion an
the conduct of Ministers as aft n as he thong it proper.
The Marquis of LA NSIN /IV NE said, the noble &marquis
might make observations on his Majesty's Government by
motion, Mit;the n title marquis was then irr.-gular.
Lord HOLLAND considered the noble MANUIS out of
order.

The Martriii of LONDONDERRY said. he had a
right to move the Douse do adjourn. (Cries of " Move.
move.")_

The 'Duke of RICHMOND, sneaking as a peer of that
house, thought the noble marquis had shown a want of res-
pect for the crown.
The Marquis of LAND 'NDR CRY d •tied the nab::
duke to prove that he (Gird liondimilerty) had shown a want
of respect for the crown. lie had romp! Lined hit the kitaes
gow•mment were doing that at the comitation which he con-
sidered a departure from the practice of the constitution.
With respect to his being adverse to the crown, he galled on
the noble duke, however that nobl: duke might have chang‘d
his politics, by list ng under new bannen,, to state one w.
stance in Wick he had ben wanting in respect to die
Crown.

Tie Lord MIA Ne!:I.LOR 'hen put the qu i%tion for
return of p pets, which was agreed to, and the c.unvers • lon
dropped.

COAL DUTIES DILL..
The Duke of WELLINGTON rose un the older fa re-
ceictig site report of the Committee on the Coal Duties 13th.
not for the purpose of opposing it, but to Late a few
rations which he d:emeti it necessary to make. The ct
was introduced in the other house during the last stand .n. A
resolution was agreed to for repealing the duties. but before
'the subject could come before their lordships pat lieuncit was
dissolved. That house, zonsequently, had no opportunity
of discussing the measure, and a treasury twelve, found d
upon the resolution of the House of Commons, repealed time
coal duti a. The consequt nee of that miler was the bill times
before the house. It case as an indenmity lue hlinistees.
His Grace did not obj,ct to it but he comp:sherd
that the Government had dissolved the Parliament in us)
much

haste. • Wis. not have suffered the ['sawmill to bit
until the measure could have received the 14..01)11 In kintil
houses in a regular way ? The noble duke thought the bill
would not be effective. Toe bp .v :nment had made a bad
commencement. They should have `ut rid of theabuses ah,clt
prevailed in the coal trade in the City of [Auden. Until
those abuses were roared coals retold not be chea,:er.r
The export duty 11. ed • IRrealt indlPed theallellfili.,39 In. "
Crease the duty on iiiiirogiatheim The Lite Goesnmieni had
amused the plan regurtung die coal trade, by doom) us.;
the abuses of which so much complaint had been made.
Ua i 1 tl•at was done it was in va ta to expect the public would
derive any benefit.
Lord HODER ICH explained the clauses of the bill, and
(*mended that the operation would be beneficial to the
revenue.—The noble viscount went on to say, that the
public would experience a great benefit by • repeal ut
the coal duty; it was a dui most unjust In its princip.e,
and led to a system of organized plunder in the woods to the
soutberu counties. He was aware that the export duty on
coals had been by far too high ; it was only the seita"ter
coals, it ought to he remembered, which were sent to the
manufactories abios I ; a kind of c..als which sere Dever used
in this country. He should be sorry to give his sanction to
any armor of finance which was likely so be attended with
the result anticipated by the noble duke (Wellington,) but
he was satisfied there would he no falling of in the revise
by the contemplated repeal. The noble viscount then ie
tested to the reductions in the taxation which took place en
several commodities, a reduetio.i which hod led to no ditto'.
nation is toe amount of insane, which, was to be sitritm ed
to a progreveive increase in consuntinton. The t.ethle v••.
count concluded by eating that thee was nu grotto.' for
apprehending tit et this country wits not able to me. t eve, y
demand which might be nook upon it ; and further, M.,'
probably England was the only cou.tery in the wurid witx I
was placed hi such a situation.
The Duke of W KLLINUTOS fully believed that 041
couirry was able to meet'
every demand ; reverting, however,
to the Coal hey Repeal Roll, he still contended that we
duties i :armed CM 'coals in the port of London ought to be
abulislicd, if wine uther compensation should be given 111
lieu the euf.

The Marquis of LONDON DRR RY urged the necttooty
of devising sonic substitute for the 1 cal duty on coals t
the city of London ; since the bringing in of the repeal of
the coal duty hill he e told assure their lordships that the
interests of the coal trade had oeen materially injured. He
was sorry that the tlisturbanciat aittoopt the workmeni whica
originated in question% of wages, growing out of the finan.
dal changto of Nlinisters, had now asbutied a poii teal cast.
The noble marquis then directed vie attention artist house
to a notice calling a public meeting of persons engaged in
the coal trade, for the purpose of taking into consider/doh.
the policy of the reform bill, and of addressing his Nlajtsiy
on the conduct of his ministers.
The Marquis of LA NSHOWN said, it was impossible,
where large bAlies of people were gathered together, to gr.—
vent them altogether, howl discussing questions of a
,poluoca I
tendency. It was satia.actary, however, to know, that if one
or two individual* *hi Wu he inclined to give to these the. ~
togs a character of disturbance. or disaatisfactiart o the go-
vernment of the country. the general good swore of the we.
jority coutiteracted thou As a point of finance, the pro_
posed measure, he was of opinion, would not injure the
revenue, wnilat, in many par a of the country, the benefit to
t!:e poorer cla-ses would be incalculably great. 141 Dublin, ha
example, *here the article of coal was at liines of as mut ii
oecessity as bread, the advantage of the 111.611141,C Would he
greatly fel!. If the proper time had arrived, he should hate
sh...wn to :heir Lordships that the country had never been
111 a more favourable slate for such . a measure as on. or
litiat,ce. Taking a precedent of last year. the repeal of the
duty or, putted cotton had been followed with an increase of
dent.n.t producing inure titan an equivalent to the Allot/1011
repealed ; whilst Cie manufacturer of the article in Irahoid
was protected horn injury flout the trade of hairiest&
The bill was then read * third time.

61.191.ETT1W0 AC7.
tit Cie motive of Lord klithliOUlLS N. the Irish Sub.
letting Anise. read a fihrtime, and or& ted to be reap
iseur.d time vn 'lnehday Nett.
Adjourmti at S rcu o'lluck.
• HOLIIN COMMONS.
.lr. Aldermae brought in the bill fin the belie'
rel;ul•litid of the speedo/ atea.v.vesseiti tlor ever Tha•uts.
—Read a Ent time,- and ordered to be read a mount ante
op Monday.
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