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ft trn that, as it was proied by a Noble Friend ofj
his, only amounted. to one-fourteenth from the 1
amber produced by it in time of peace. When
he took that into cudideration, he certainly could
not perceive that there exified a nece(lity for fo
ilrong a meafure as the prefent. It bad been found
that i 3,000 1114:11 bad alreaJy entered into the
line from the Army of Referve, and among the
17 or tB,OOO compofing the remainder of that
army, it might be naturally cipeded, judging from
thi experience of the pall, that a very large pro-
portion would be induced to offer themfelves for ge-
neral Ferrier. Under there circumllances he fhould
' hone that the Right Hon. Gentleman would not, at
this feafon of the year, perfevere in the plan which
be witted to (ohmic to the Houfe. He taw no Ile-
catty for precipitating a meafure fo important in
its retails. He would not give any oppofition, how-
ever, to the introdudiou of Bill, but he trolled,
that if the Houle fhoula agree to its being read a
flea time, that time mould be afforded for giving
it. mature confideration, and that the fecond
reading Otoisld be fixed for Tome period not likely to
arrive within the probable duration of the prefent
feffiec. The proferred °Ned of the Bill was to faci-
litate the recruiting for general fervice ; Inn it was
to be feared, that its operation would be both nuga-
tory and vexatious. He could affimilate it to nothing
but the abfurd and impra&icable meafure of railing
what was called Quota men, where a Bill had been
paffed, which compelled the different pa
raife to
raife certain proportions of men, and converted the
peril's officers into recruiting ferjeants. The confe-
queries was, that csccaive bounties were immediately I
recurred to ; the neceffary competition tended to the
Rill greater itscreate of there bounties, and the regu-1
lar fupply for general military fervice had never been
able to furmount the effects of the plan then retorted
td. 'He was aware that there were provifions in the
prefent Bill for keeping down the bounty, and
confequestly for avoiding the evils of the ineafiner
to which it bore fo much affinity ; but be bat
good grounds for foppofing that they vrixda4se .-
found wholly inadequate to the object at which
it was propofed the
ilfhould arrive.. It was within
the knowledge oft of the Members of that k
Hoeft, that the r compelling the parithes to
mite a certain quota ver produced one.teath of
the nunsher of men fleet was 'spelled from it;
and even acre were of the woe* defetiption pof-
fible, compered of the refills of (misty, inefficient as
. to any asilisarty reptiles, andlearryieg difsafe, and
vice, sad contagion, into the regular army. He much
feared that flasilAr evils and inconveniences-would be
produeed hg the prefent meafere, which, in his epi-
aigo, slid me differ in any material degree free Om
former meA-ternicious espeeinient. He would tube
no further *Otani to the Bill in the prefect Bash I
Met would teferve hinsfelf for a more minute iliftvi'
Goa of it, when it &mild be propofeff to read it a 6.1
mad time, if else Houle mold ever be induced M'
false it to go that length. -
Lord CASTLEREAGH Wel, this country was
sot in fuels a Swaim of military ltresigth at the
prefent moment, as to make it prudent to fry the
experiment recommended by the Right Hon. Gen-
demon (Mr. Wyndham). So far from the prefent
plan bang-attended with any felinity, he thought
it .reillarkable for its mildnefs; for when parith -a
did not tarsi& their quotas, they were only required
to pay a (Mall fisin.of money, and if they did, they
wipe paid for the sea they fornithed. He thought it
a matter of great importance to keep op the Army
of Referee.. It was that clefs of intermediate force
which (erred as a moll ufeful fource for fupplying
the Regular Army with melt. As to ponponing the
Bill, there was no complexity in it that required him
to confider of it. He denied that parilk officers
could be confidered as recruiting ferjeants. He be-
lieved the people of parithes would cheerfully give
their affillance in procuring men for the public ter-
eke • and it was the duty of every man In a
up
tis lend his aid for that purport. Upon the whole,
he believed this meafure would be produllive of good,
and if not, it could not do any harm.
Sir WM. GEA RY raid, that he confidered the pro.
rfcd meafure as unjok when he heard it Paid that
individuals mull either find men or pay fines, while
at the fame time it was well known, that parifises
could not find their proper quota of men. The pro-
pofed Bill, was, therefore, to be looked on as one to I
raife a fond for recruiting the Regular Army, which
he conceived would not be conducive to the übjeas in I
view. The real caufe of the army not being recruit-
ed was the int-Teak of that tpecies of force which the
propofed Bill went to augment. The diiptifable force
of the country had rather loft dim gained by means
of the Army of Referee. It was a difpofable force'
which we now flood in need of, and not that kind of
force propofed by fuch a Bill. He maintained that
the country did not at prefent nand in need of a
greater number of men in arms for our defence, than
what we already bad ; all that was now necedary
was to render thole we had more efficient. He was
convinced that acc,ticso men were amply fufficient to
bid defiance to all the force our enemy could bring
againll us; and he thought that we were in loch a
fituation that our fleets might now be other wife em-
ployed.
Mr. FOX laid, he only role to exprefs a few ob-
(creations which occurred to him on this occafion,
and net with the intention Of making any violent op-
poßtion. From the fiyft moment he had heard of
there fchcmes he thought he could have brought
LI- Ifelf to acquiefce in them, becaufe he undoubtedly
inia,,,unsed that any motion coining from a perfon who
was fo likely to render it effedual, would be for the
advantage of the copwry. Ile had difapproved of all
the former fy Items, and he had felt himfelf difpoted to
give his approbation to any thing new, but he mull fay
that he rather remained confirmed in his objcitions to
meaTures which were any way limilar to the former.
If there were any alterations in former plans to be d-
rifted by the prefent Bill, they tended as much to re-
move advantages as to reined y defer:h. He wouldootgo
-at prefers* into all the merits of the quetlion, but would
rather take Come other Opp ~6r.itv to Jo In; but he
moN fly, that atter all he had he., ..1 trom the promo-
ters of the worafiires el the late Adminiiiration, and
those who fpnire in fav•sur cf the prefent plan, r there
appeared to be one 114/04/Teatai tibia:faun. He Jo-
•rpioved of the plan of having a hooted lone, las
the nurprife of tailing a fund (torn whence an un-
limited force could be procured.—He conceived that
,rt eery point of view that was a bad sou& of tailing

tion.

troops for the defence of the 'country. He would
not pretend to fiiy how far the ircreafe o
ro f our Militia
in former sears might be proper nr impper, but h
conceiver! that on no ()miring ought our limited force
to inter(' re with our regular army for an extended
fervice. The whole plan appeared to him to be peeped-
terous. Were we to go into a general fy nem for the
defence rf the counter, he might imagine it to be
wife on Come occafinns to Wog men who had paffed
the greaten part of their *lives in an extended fer-
vice, to limit their Cervices for the defence of the
kingdom ; but he could not bring himfelf to think
that the contrary conduit would be a good foun-
dation for a regular army. He hoped that the
Houle would yet have the opinions of Come weightier
military authorities to fupport his °Nation to the
Bill. If, however, it was thought that Each a Bin
was at all fit to pats, he had no doubt that it ought
to pals this Sefton. So far from prupofing delay, he
would railer urge it forward, and fay that it ought
to be printed, that the Houfe might come to the dif-
coffion immediately. 'With Tepee to the provitions
pf the Bill, he felt very much the weight of the ob-
jeftions urged by his Right Honourable Friend near
him (Mr. Windham) which, like his, went to the
very principle of the Bill.
The CHANCELLOR of the ERCHEQPER
Paid, that in availing himfelf of the privilege of a
reply, he lhould be extremely (hors, as it teemed to
be the general difpofition to ponpone the more en-
larged diCcuffion of the mcafure which he had now
brought forwarck to a fubtequent Rage. He thould
only advert to a few points on which he teemed to
have been mifunderfiood. The fire of thefe related
to the ballots. It Teemed to be nutierflood by his
Right Honourable Friend (Mr. Windham) that thefe
were to be contininued for fupplying the vacancies in
the militia. This was not the cafe. He had timed
that thofe vacancies were to be fupplied in the fame
mode as thofe in the Army of Referee, to which the
men were to be turned over, until the militia was re-
clueed to its end-eftabliffiment e and when that event
took place, it would be for Parliament to confider
whether it Mond continue the balloting fyllem, or
adopt is that cafes alto, the mode now fuggetled. He
had not overlooked the queftion of how far it would
be expedient to convert the fervice of the regular
army into a temporary fervice ? On that point his
own willies perfernly correfponded with thole of his
Right Han. Friend; but it remained to be afcertain-
eel, by confultiog that who, from their profeffional
bibles and knowledge, were moll competent to decide
upon the queftion, bow far the propofttion was Ow,
ticable ? Anothet Hon. Gentleman, (Mr. Fox) had
in a fair and candid manner fisted the litie of argtial
meat which' be fisould purfue in oppofing the melt.
lure. He was completely at Rine with him, as to the
principle on which that Hon. Gentleman was to reit
his objeaions. The ordinary fyaens of recruiting ,
was inadequate to the fupply of fo large an addition I
to the regular force in a given time, as might be called
for by the exigency of the ferrite, and of all the
nodes which 'had been, or in his opinion could be
Etiort,atnhiewteroft:atn intermediatepue arrnydewasdechieulasoly
of
this eonftderation, it was to be obferved, that we
&mild gain much in point of general fecurity, by im-
proving the quality of our troops for limited Cervical
Co far even as to enable us,fhould an occafion arife, to
detach the greater part of the regulars for foreign fez-
vice, without diminilbing our means of home defence.
He contended, in oppofition to the ftatement of his
Right Hon. Friend, that the moft diodel part of the
plan was new. His Friend, while he delivered his
obfervations in that (Lyle and manner which always
was agreeable, teemed to forget in Come parts of his
fpeech what he had advanced in others, and fin more
what he had Rated in objenion to the plans of the late
Adminiftration. He had given the Houle, what he
was very capable of doing, a variety of metaphyfical
and phtlofophical obfervations, with that grace which I
was peculiarly his own, and which teemed to throw
a fort of ridicule on tharkind of dry, plain reafon- I
ing, which others might employ. In adopting this I
courfe, Come incontinencies might fotnetimes be ex- ,
perned. When volunteering was in the fill inflance
I
propofed from the Army of Referee, to the confines-
tion of which his friend objeded, he exclaimed—
N
Worfe and work !" He conceived that it would
be deftradive of military difcipline, by enabling the
private at any time to get rid of any officer he di[
I liked, by transferring his fervices to anoMer Corps.
When it was now pi opofed, by limiting the offer of
fervice to fecond battalions, and when the induce
meat to infubordination was thus removed, his Right
Hoe. Friend again exclaimed—" Worfe and work!"
as the private might, perhaps, volunteer Cervices, if
he did not know that he was (till to continue under
the fame officers. His Hon. Friend, arguing in the
fame grain, told the Houle that the army of referve
was a very bad nnrfery for the regulars, for a num-
ber of young men would go into it only to low their
wild oat., and then return to their former banes of
life. Yet his Friend propofed the limitation of time
as a (irons inducement to renewing offers of engage- I
meat in the regular army. Mr. Pitt then took a
view of the objeainns made by Mr. Johnftone, and
Mr. Addington, which, with thofe of Mr. Fox and '
Mr. Windham, he compared to a crofs firing, in
which, though cheated againft him, they feverely
galled, and co:silently hit each other !
Sr. ADDINGTON oblerved, that in fonie points
he had been milonderkood by the Righ. Honourable
Gentleman. What he had listed was, not that no
increafe of force was neceiTary, but that the mode
propofed by the late Admiiiiilration was preferable
to the prefent plan. He had not called this marine
particularly levere, on the contrary, he thought it ra-
ther milder than that which he had fupported ; but
he had always thought the Referee Bill too hard a
mealure to be permanent. Now the pt efent was pro-
poled as a permanent meature, the former but as
temporal y.
Mr. W 1 NDHAM laid a few worJs in explana-

Mr. FOX Rated, that the objeeion he took was
aping the pi inciple of recruiting from a limited to
unlimited ferrice. _

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Mr. GEORGE VANSITTART frid a few
words. which could not be heard : the quellion being
loudly called foe from every part of the Houle,
The Bill was tbcn brought up and read the GrA
time, and. on the motion nt M. purr, the (mond
reading was fired for ar.d the Eid ordercdto
be printed
Adjourned as to morrow.

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