Star.
London, England, 1812-03-27 00:00:00

Right Ha- Gender se's as to the purity of his Imo chequet) was for making them ill powerful in West-
tives, be would venture to say this much, that if it minster-Hall, while they were of no value on 'Change
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should happen to him to spend as long a life in that • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER,
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House as the Right Hon. Gentleman, he beliesekd he adverting to what fell from some of the Gentlemen
HOUSE OF COMMONS. MARCH 46. would at least be as free from acting from selfish on the other side of the House, as to the thin asten-
Mr. Alcock, from the Treasury, presented an Account sheer.. . fa,iins
fig how the money voted for the service of the year 1811, in , "'"" g (Hear.) , dance of Members, observed, that it was not to be
solar as ratted to Great Britain, had been disposed of. ' 1 Atter a few words from Mr. Rosa, Mr. STANT- attributed to any apathy on the part of the House
Mr. Hase, from tbr Bank of England, presented an Account FORTH, and General Tefterrox, the question was to entertain the question, but arose from an under-
of the total value of the Forged Nixes which had been presented put, and the Paper ordered to be pritited. standing that the discussion was to take place on the
at the Bank for payment and refused, from the fat January 1
of IL'eostoerdocioa ywaayserhytindnmineroGuosiimitin.gcoonfvt iiiivpure7. TENDER OF NANE-NOTES.
IEOI to the 91st December, 1811. committal of the Bill. Upon the former Bill, Gen-
The Pilots' Bill was read a third time and passed. On the Order fpr the second reading of the Gold tlemen had predicted and argued that this measure
abort all, far
The Honduras Mahogany Bill was read a third time and passed. Coin and Basik-note Bill, was leading them into' the high road to ruin, and the suen tto requisition-64 To take into con dere
The Military Commi,Sioners Bill was read aSd time and passed. 1 Mr. MORRIS said he should oppose it, as a mea- like; but these predictions were as fallacious on the SI ton
The Canada Trade Bill was read a third time and passed. .... the unprecedented situation of the country, arse ta
sure that went to rnake Bank-notes a legal tender, former occasion as they were on the present. ler-ne adopt such measures as might be thought necesurT
Mr. HOUSTON presented a Petition from the Merchants' i for promoting enquiry into the state of-public of
House of the City of Glasgow, against the Monopoly of the East without. the Public having any security against for. Right Hon. Gentleman (the Chancellor of the ...s-
-tadia Company. 1 genes or excessive issues of paper. It oecurred to ehequerl ridiculed the idea of establishing a perfect
effecting a Reform in the representation of the Penne.
-for reforming public aboses-and,
.Mr. I.vvvt.rrow gave Notice, that on Friday the lath April, • him some years ago to witness the evils of such a standard, and reprobated the language that the
he should bring forward a Motion, to amend the Statute Rild system
As very considerable precautions were taken a
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-y tem as this in France, when there was no other . country was in the high road to ruin. He contended in Parliament."
Geo.ll. Cap, 33, in so far as related to tyranny in the Navy.
MAIL COACH F.XEMPTHOIir. currency there but that of assiguats. At that time that there was no similarity between our present papa •
prevent indiscriminate admission into the Hall, it asap
Lord B 1 X NINO/ moved that the Report of a Select Committee there were offices established at the corner of every currency and that of any other country on any for- .
of the House, recommending the Abolition of Exemption of Mad street where people might take their assignats to see suer period. be safely said, that the assemblage on the presentee.
Coaches from the Payment of Toll, should be referred to a Com- if they were forged ;but this grew up into the great. Mr. MORRIS explained. casiou, though extremely numerous, was more Idea.
mittet of the whole House. than usual.
est evil : for the very persons who were entrusted Mr. PONSONBY wished (as he had not had an .
i At one o'clock precisely the LORD MAYOR
In the Committee, the Report of the Select Committee was with the secret became forgers of assignats.
sreed to. There
,opportunity of delivering his sentiments on the Bill
tthe Bill then be.
The Report leans brought up, and Lord Binning ordered to was no way now in this country by which any man , o last year) to say a few words on . •
that this . the Hall ; and as several of the Aldermen passed ti.e
bring in a Bill, which was brought in accortelgly, read a first could tell whether a note was forged or not. He next fore the House. He was firmly convinced mis
time, and ordered to be read a second time on Thursday the 16th Chair, they were received with the customary arm
of April next. . . objected to the Bill on the ground- of its providing no measure, instead of being calculated to benefit the sions of applanso or disapprobation.
limit against the excessive issue of notes. He believed country, would tend very much to injure it. At the
The Loan MAYOR then came forward, and said be
PRICE OF SHIPPING,
Mr. BARING rose for the purpose of moving that there was no set of men who would exercise this time that the restrictions were laid on the Bank, it .
had summoned the present meeting of the
held in his hand the requisition in consegeenee 0
a paper laid before the House on Tuesday last, power with mere moderation than the Bank Direc. WAS said by the advocates of that measure, that the
rhould he printed. It was a Return from the Trans- . tors ; but he would not give them such power, be- cash payments would soon be resumed ; while those vilircelliryh.e All that he had to beg of them was to.pret
port Office of the rates paid by them, for shipping per.
cause it was a power which they could not wield - who opposed it said, that they never could be re- serve order and decorum, anal to permit every
from the year 1807 to the present month. The object He would not have the House resort to a measure of sumed as long as the law stood es it did. Now, he son freely to speak his sentiments. lie hoped t6p
of the paper was to thew, thetehe value of shipping this kind until enquiry had been exhausted, and until i would ask winch of those predictions had turned out would give every man a patient hearing ; fuse deny
it should appear that no better mode could be adopt- to be true ? At 'the time when the restrictions were
had very much increased, because the Transport differed from him in opinion, that they would atlas
Board had paid very high prices. The tact, however, ed. He therefore thought the House ought to have , imposed on the Bank, some persons said that a large express that difference respectfully. On his pants
previously gone into a Committee on this subject.- , issue of paper currency would relieve the difficulties
promised to observe• the strictest impartiality (4t.
appeared from this Paper to be, that since 1809 the
Transport Service had taken up shipping at 255. and As the denomination of Bank tokens had been raised. under which the country then laboured ; others said,
jamas); and should immediately CAUSE the requiteme
that since the early part of the present month •they he should also propose that the denomination of the it would increase them. Now he would again ask so be
read ; thinking. that the
sower
they
proceeded
gold coin should be raised, by allowing the converti- , whose predictions had turned out to be most tree .
had paid only 21s. He could easily have believed,
from the improvements which had taken place in the bility of paper into specie, as was the case before the i He did not believe, any more than the Right Hon. ito business, the better it would be for au present.
i Silence being proclaimed in the Hall, the mow
provisioning and equipment of Transport Vessels, Act of last year passed. We should then have a Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) that
tion, the subsuncc of which we have given ohm
that the profits of the owners might have suffered a metallic currency, and there would be no temptation there was any country in which the issue of paper
was then
read.
to melt down the gold coin. currency was at all similar to this ; and so far he be-1
reduction ; but it appeared from this paper, that the Mr. WAITHMAN carne forward amidst coasiderskit
Lord A. HAMILI ON opposed the Bill. I lieved that Right Honourable Gentleman was pretty
prices even were reduced. The Transport Board applause. He began by obeerving, that it was amp
Sir JOHN NrWPORT said, this Bill was one of , correct. But although it was slower in its effects,
wanted' three vessels, and there were twelve offered ; nearly twenty years since he first gad the how* 4
the measures by which this country was proceeding it would be not less certain. The progress of the evil . addressing the Livery of London, on ME Mao
and they could have as many as they wanted at 21s.
-lis object in wishing the Paper to be printed, was to to its ruin. In consequence of its now being extended effect; arising from the excessive issue of our Bank ,
similar tonthe present. for the purposed
stdmisiee
explein, whether the demana for shipping bad been to Ireland, it would produce the greatest inconveni- I paper would be slower, but they must come upon ' certain propositions oo the public grievance-s-Q
ence and injustice there, because it would overturn us at last. The Bank was now doing nothing more
on the increase, or was in a state of prosperity. And then existed, and proposing an Address to the llion
The same grounds or public coo
be wished the House to understand from this, what the contracts that were made between landlords and than issuing Government paper, aye, and a forced for their removal.
tenants in Ireland. Before it was extended to Ire-land compulsory paper too. With regard to the Bank
was going on in the Board of Trade, when they thus plaint still existed ; nay, every timethey had metro
found
.that the principal Member (alluding to Mr, land the How ought to have waited until the gene- lof Ireland, atehe time that the Uank of England had gather since, their grievances seemed to increaser.
people inlreland
ral bulk of the• presented Pensions its cash payments suspended, it was never more able .occ. sione fur petition and ienionwance had oe.
Rose appeared to be so ignorant of the state of the -nsleeve A
t 'favour of it. or willing to pay in cash; and when the order from
shipping of the country. illear, from Mr. Rose.)- curried ; but never were they so multiplied and sr.
This reduction had not been confined to the Trans- Mr. DAVIS GIDDY considered this measure this country arrived in !relied, commanding them _eta as at this commencement of a
new
era. (10.4
as fraught with the greatest possible danger to the to suspend their cash payments also, he (Mr.
ebxjtressiogu of otorol At a time like the present k
port Service ; it was felt in every branch. The West
India fleet, and the ships engaged in the Quebec state, because there was no check upon those who Ponsonby) knew that nothing had ever so much sue- was hardly possible or those who felt strongly as they
had the power of issuing paper. At the same time : prised them. He should only trouble the House by
trade, were in the same situation. The ;lice of ship-did, to suppress their feelings ;but be hind they
he conceived it to be so necessary under the present relating one circumstance, in which he bore a
ping in any one branch, affected all the rest. Thepart, ;would allow every man to deliver his SebtIMPRIS
circumstances of our circulation, that he could not andl if he was obliged to mention himself, he hoped
rates were at present perfectly ruinous. Vessels which • without interruption. No injury could arise front
oppose it. I the. House would pardon him, as he was not ctin-
a few years ago cost twelve thousand guineas, Were giving our adversaries fair play, and heeling what.
Mr. HENRY THORNTON considered the Bill , scious of being much addicted to egotism. The day
now selling for six or seven thousand. It was of the ever they had to offer. This was only an act of jos.
of last* year as being very much altered, on account . before he last sailed from Dublin, for England, he
highest importance, that on a point of such import- rice to ourselves, and would scrip them of every pre.
of including Ireland ; because in many cases, land- I went into one of those shops, which are well known tenet for skulking into holes and comers, hens
ante the House should not be misinformed. (Hear,
from Mr. Rose.) lords who had stipulated to receive IEI2O in paper 'ia that city for the purchase and sale of guineas. A
• ! whence to issue their manifestoes, under the old pre.
for every £lOO in gold, would now only receive woman from the country came in, and laid down on text that they could not have a public bearing.-
Mr. ROSE, with some degree of warmth, said he
had been charged with having stated on the 3d of £lOO. He wished to sec some standard of authority the counter 11 guineas, asking the man of the shop
Laitghter and lee, intermixed with him.). Amid*
according to which the people should know how to : what premium he would give for them ?To that he the 1
mustitude of subjects that pressed upon his at.
March, thst there was not that distress in the ship- make their bagains. Nobody could now say to what ' answered, 54,6 d. each ; and she agreeing, was paid
ping interest which had been represented. The Ho. tention in the unprecedented situation of the tenant,
extent the depreciation existed ;-and this wasßank of Ireland Tokens. When she went out,
nourable Gentleman who made that charge against he felt great difficulty in sekcting the particular'
him endeavoured on all occasions to lower the state of source of endless inconvenience and evil. He was 1, another Gentleman who was in the shop turned vanes of which they had mast to complete 'lets
• that to go on in ais manner by adding I to Mr. Ponsonby, and said, 66 if that w 'man had
• the country, for the purpose of holding up Americagrounds of complaint were, however, so char sad
law to law, without limiting the issue of paper, was I known bow to make her bargain, she would have got
in an advantageous point of view.-(Hear, from Memanifest-they came home so strongly to de
a most reinous course ; and he should propose some I 6s. premium on each of her guineas, for I saw them
Opposition .ridgy.)- What ves the fact ?He had said I , understanding, and the feelings-'to the bulls
amendment in the Committee to obviete the most ', bought here this morning at that rate." He (Mr. ,
that from 1807 to that tune the rate of shipping had and the bosoms of every man, that there was •
glaring of the-objections which liesaw in this Bill. ; Ponsonby) then asked the man to give him Bank of I
:seen fr nn 19s. to J. `Now it appeared from the ! occasion for any display of eloquence to set thus
Lord CASTLEREAGH was ready to admit that England notes for Bank of Ireland, and desired to
paper produced that it had risen to '2ss. This he had there
or to aggravate Heir nature and extent. This
there had been a difficulty with respect to Ireland, ; know what the exchange was ? He was told about
e was still the less necessary, as the Resolutions whet
stated not as a proof of the prosperous state of tn
which induced Parliament last year not to include ' par, and received Bank of England notes at the very ,
shipping of this cc untry ;belt that it could not be inhe should have the honour to propose, and the Peti•
that country in the Act then passed. But this diffi- ; trifling premium of a penny or three halfpence.-ition with
the state of distress which was repiesented,..ehen it which they were accompanied, staled ut
cult), s greatly over-rated by the Hon. Gentleman. ' From this he would have the Right Hon. Gentleman I
had risen sor 6s. per ton. The Honourable Gentle- fully the topics of complaint, which were wane
There were very few such contracts between land- (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) to be convinced,
man had said it was now 21s. per ton. He (Mr. , roux and multifarious, that were he only to NA
lords and tenants as were stated ; and for several that in Dublio they are as well aware of the depreci-
Rose) had found on inquiry, that on the 12th of;upon all the difficulties of our situation, he did A
years past all bargains had been made-for payments', ration of our paper currency, as compared to gold, ,
March the rate had fallen to 21s. But even now it know what physical strewth would enable hillises
The contracts for payments in cash exist- and that they understood it as well as they do the , h h k It t more doh alog
would be found 2or 3s. more than it was in 1807. It in notes.
. tnroug t e tas . was now no
ed only between landlords and tenants. It often price of meat in the markets. He for these reasons
had risen from I 9s. the rate in 1797, to 255. when hesince the Livery of London publicly expressed disk
happened that when landlords received their rents in should give his decided negative to the second read-npoke on the subject. It bappeped that in the begin- •sense of the magnitude of the abuses which devenek
guineas, they sold these guineas, and thus gained an ing of the Bill, and indeed he should oppose it in all .
rung of this month the Board of Transports having the country, and their opinion of the unconstitateml I
advantage infinitely greater than the stipulated rents. i its stages, as thinking it most pernicious to the real
previously advertised for a great number of ships, restrictions at that time imposed upon the Prince go
Now there was hardly a possibility of procuring gui- I and permanent interests of the ceuntiy.
' had been enabled to cake up a few at 21s. He had i' gent. They declared their convictions that
.eeetY PIFI
news, and therefore if a completely equitable arrange- I Mr. MAR RYATT looked in vain for the advan-
nothing to do with the Transport Board. The Ho. son so restricted must be under the dominioa of the
ment for all parties could not be made, it was fit ' sage of the Bill. What was the Bill to do in the
d
nesurable Gentleman (Mr.l3aring)hed thought properection that had so long governed us to oar
hel
that the Legislature should act on the principle best' estimation of the Metropolis? Why, to make bank. EA .ht
to wish the House and Country might see from this pp wes.)-But though we saw our diorama
calculated to remove the greatest possible portion of' notes a legal tender, with the addition of the expences 1
the ignorance of the Board of Trade. He repeatedcumulate around us at that time, we were dem*,
inconvenience. The Parliament should not recog-1 of a law-suit by way cf bonus. That the principle
that the Board of Trade had nothing es hatever to doned to smother our grievance till we saw she RV°
nise the principle of premiums being given for guineas,' was pernicious, he had only to look to the effects of
With the Transport Service. But when he made theunincumbered and tree from the fetters of hlia'segsf
because if adopted in one part of Ireland, it must ex- the last Bill. The g'ld trade had been thrown into
statement he was perfectly
.correct. The Return and we looked forward with expectation to a as!
tend to the other parts ; therefore he must support the hands of Jews and smugglers, and gold had since
• which he had was up to the 2d of March, and hesystem of Government, to a reformatioo of ate
the present Bill. I entirely disappeared-(Hear.) The price of dollars thew
spoke on the 3d. Even at present he would say that Mr. W. SMITH should not trouble the House at ; had been raised, but even after that proceeding they and to some security against their return foe had
he believed the shipping of the count' y could be in sure. He need not tell them hew miserably they
present, had he any hope that the objectionable parts had become so scarce, elat unless the price was raised
no very reduced eta molten when it was 2s. per ton higher of this Bill would be amended in the Committee; to six shillings, their faces would very soon disappear. sat 10•1"1
than in Itso7. been disappointed. The same corrupt Initem_el'i.
but viewing the measure in the light he did, he could : But the most rational mode to proceed would be, to pursued in all its parts ; and he seed
effect* sis
Mr. STAN! FORTH observed, that there were
.1.. them of those distresses which were its
not but consider it a system going to the inevitable ' suffer two prices-that of specie and that of paper.
many valuable ships brought to market lately, and which were obvious in all parts of the coestry. 70.
. i ruin of the finances of the country. On the former 'i It was to the praise of England, that in times of the
sold for one-third, and not unfrequently for one-halt .1 same contempt of the rights of the PeoPles re; en,
Bill they were told, that if thht was not effective, a greatest difficulty she had been enabled to make the
less than their original price. What the ship ownerssame system of malversaoon iu offices Wege am. II;
• second, or perhaps a third measure would be resorted most astonishing exertions by means of a fictitious cur- nife _
complained of was, that they did not receive all that st, Had we not seen the grossest paellklals
I to. They had now come to the second, and if they rency. He admitted that fact-he acknowledged
assistance from Government which might be got. were to go on increasing the national debt, and the that the paper credit had -been of the highest advan. cape justice, while the greetest penmen's* wt.!
The transporting of all sorts of military stores to thecised against the Press? Nay, were we not lon
Bank increasing its issues, they must soon arrive at ' Cage this country, and he trusted that it would still
army in Portugal had for the last two years been al-e newspapers both of to-day and yesteeduki.l_
the third stage, and then what was the consequence ? Cocoetinue to be beneficial to her. He objected to the
most altogether carried on by neutrals. some of these convicted peculators were nos 141117".
They must at last revert to first principles, and ulti- measures resorted to for the purpose of supporting
Mr. ROSE stated that the Board of Trade had mutely remove the restrictions on payments in specie; that credit, deeming it a pernicious interference. tinned in a state of affluence, but were crew soll,
041,6
wrung 11101 Us
nothing to do with this. But he would assure the receipt ef penalty. that were
but before that period arrived they would be perhaps : Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, when a e , hart
Notate that he had written to the Victualling, Trans- say lit:sl inlltlitTy of the people?-(Cries of
involved in inexplicable difficulties. Could they have division took place. The numbers were-For the
port and Admiralty Boards, for the purpese of having He would only ask of any men, viheeher any see
the same confidence in the Bank Directors SO or 40 second reading 61-Against it 16-Mejority 45.
' all stores transported in British ships ; and the Board
what
hence, that they had in the present Directors,' 'After some observations from Mr. W. Seri if, the grievance bad been redrenod ; whether ellse, .17,
of pride had always acted on the principle that Li. I not been a constant opposition to the Mama gm es
what guarantee had the country for the Payment of , CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUIII4 and Mr. Seueve. the,lol4s
tenets were nevereto be given to foreign ships when ! smallest abase ? When two Ministers of
Bank-notes ? Would the Government guarantee the THORNTON, the Bill was read a second time, and or-
(Mr. Perceval and Lord Cesderugh) wets Pon
British ships could be employed.
. fir mop
1 payment ? If not, he conidered it the grossest viola- ' dered to be committed cne Friday, the 10th April.
Mr. BARING wished to call to the recollection ofMols.
lion upon the country ; and he should say, in the ' MISCELLANIES.
the Right Hon. Gent. (Mr. Rose) that the %asseetion i with the unconstitutional act of bartering
words of Shakespeare- Mr. PONSONBY then moved for an account of the Number ''
to which he alluded was not made on the Sd but on defended, on its notoriety ; and the unie OBI:
Parliament, nothing was done ; nay the Mg
" Things ill begun make strong themselves by ill-" of Persons prosecuted for Forgeries on private Banks, or of the
the 23d of this month, when he stated that his returns * Mr. DAV lES GIDDY and Mr. H. SMITH se- Perm' . . le same,knowing ithin in power. still, aoldhesuimppoportedsitioubsycadholgreas7rie
s utterin the them to be forged, w
were made up to that hour. He believed; however, Great Britain, since the suspension of cash payments to tie Ist of national taxes.
verally explained. January, 1812, and Ow like account for 14 years preceding such
the Right Hon. Gentleman would hardly now main- It
were severe in
Mr. Secretary POLE thought it would be an act suspension.-Agreod to. ' r our heeds ;
tain the prosperous state of our shipping. He had of the greatest injustice towards the people of Ireland, ; Mr. BANKES bray& in his Bill for abolishing te the Income Tax was suspended over
or
jest told the House it was no business of his to know to grant the benctit of this measure to Great Britain, aces, &c.-Read a first time, and ordered to be read
Sinecaure O second we were called before tribunals at their o
.P=
the rates paid by the Transport Board ; but surely and refuse it to Ireland. , time on the 17th of April, and to be printed.our private affairs.
the extreme ; the 4114114.10
to give an account of , =dig
when the Right Hon. Gentleman thought proper to Mr. GILES, in opposing the Bill, observed, that I A New Writ was ordered to be issued for Louth, in the room this, we had the mortification to see tan mar. ----i
of Lord Jocelyn, who had accepted the office of 1 minaret of his
make a statement in that House, it was at least worth Mr. Burke once said that Bank-notes were all power- Majesty's Household. I from the hard hands of honest indwell
his while to be correct in it, more particularly if he ful ten the Exchange, because they were of no value Ibrought sp. extravagance, and wasted in the inn
The Report iv the Committee of Supply was then , . . . a
nether from „mail
reflected on the vehement manner in which he was in Westminster-Hall ; but the present Government' nte puttingatib.iti the question, .
tbak the 1-1411 M do agree to the Mel- an which we had sew it. n le
1 .' at if '
aecustoined to contradict others - (Hear,)--eWithwhich the country laboured ems the state 00
• acted on the contrary principles, for by this measure m. w. YSIVIITH rose for the purpose of expressing his appro-
respect to the illiberal insinuations thrown out by the his Ri. IA go 4. amid (the Chancellor of the Es- !Haim of what hail recently between, In soup his segmital Tcdcy. Vs bad 'ill* iwitcsmed ester
it. . La

that wee awn tad not berate taw adapted. He elyst4 tin
England would =arise the Softener whirls h might hare iu dim
islaud to procure an ametior•tioa of the conditiou of the people.
Mr. HUME made souse observations, die: ern* the Lewis.
don was agreed to.
The remaining Resolution of the Committee of Sup* we,
then road, and agreed to without any further &wawa"
The House then adjourned so the :a of April.

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MELTING OF THZ LIFER?* OF LOWDON.