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PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS.

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HOUSE OF LORDS. MAY 20.
The Loan C.nancesa.oz the Earl of Soar:wirer, and Viscount
Nes.vss.t.v., as his Majesty's Commissioners, brought down the
Royal Assent to the Capital Convicts Bill, the Scotch Juries Bill,
the Small Debts Bill, •the Metropolis Justices Bill, and a great
number of Private Bills.
Lord Ammon, and others, from the Commons, brought up the
County Courts Bill, and the County Itat•be Mortgage Bill, which
*ere read a first time.
Earl SPENCER presented Petitions from Wellingborough,
Northampton, and Rugby, in favour of the County Courts Bill.—
Laid on the table.
The Bankers' Bill went through a Committee, as well as the
Chelsea Pensioners Bill.
The Marquis of DOWNSHIRE presented a Petition from the
Belfast Literary Institution, relating to the state of the Funds of
thatlfsociety. Referred to the Committee on the State of Ireland.
On the motion of Viscount MaLvit.t.s, the Bill to regulate the,
trial of Scotch Peers, was read a second time.
The Noble Lord then presented a Petition from the Owners and
Occupiers of Land in the County of Elgin, against any alteration oil
the Corn 'AWL—Laid on the table.
• Viscount MELV I LLE also presented another Petition from the I
same parties, for some alteration and amendment of the Stamp
Acts.—Read, and laid on the table.—Adjourned till Wednesday.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Mr. LESLIE FOSTER moved that all the Committees now
sitting have leave to bit notwithstanding any adjournment of the

The same Honourable Member presented a Petition from-Dun-
daik, against tbt Liverpool Docks Dues Bill, praying that those dues
Wright be reduced at least 50 per cent. and to be heard by Counsel.
Ordered to he on the table.
Milt DOCKS BILL.
Sir G. CLERK moved the Order of the Day for the second
reading of the Leith Docks Bin.
Lot d A. HAMILTON said, that from the great im-
portance of this measure, and owing to the pecuniary
interest involved in it, it required the most serious con-
sidersti Many of the inhabitants both of Edinburgh
and Leith were oppo,ed to the Bill. For his own part,
although he would not move for the rejection of the
Bill, as he had not read the evidence connected with it,
if such a motion were made he would support ie. The
Port of Leith, which may be fairly regarded as the Port
of Edinburgh, had been put up to sale and bought
up by a Joint-Stock Company, and it happened
that many of them were bbyers and sellers, being
Members of the Corporation who sold, and also of
the Company that purchased it. Such a sale, he
would contend, was most improper and illegal.—
Besides, there was a large debt upon the Dock. An
action was now depending to decide this debt, amount-
ing to '265,0001. as contended for by one party, and de-
nied to be so much by the other. It was therefore most
improper for the House of Commons to intet fere before
that action was decided—(hear, hear). He hoped the Lord Ad-
vocate was a friend to the law of the land, although be was a friend
to this Bill ; and he would undertake to say, that the Learned Lord
would not say that the sale, under the circumstances 'seised stated,
was a legal one. Though he had not read the evidence, he was suffi-
ciently acquainted with the facts to state that the naeasure was highly
ohjectionabk.
The LORD ADVOCATE protested against the un-
fait nesss of making him personally responsible for this
Bill. It was mat his Bill; he had, with other Scotch
Members, attended the evidence, and nierely moved the
hill a private, not a patine Bill. The Noble Lord hid not read
the evidence; he had nut attended the Committee; in short, be
acknowledged he knew nothlng about it, except what he had beard
from report-7-I..mi lISM 1 LTON explained.
Mt. HUME raid he was instructed to oppose this
Bill, and on the pat t of the whole community of Scot-
land he protested against its further progtess, as inju-
rious to the trade of Scotland by the imposition ofa new
and heavy duty. He contended that the trustees had
violated their trust by the sale of the dock to themselves,
and he was satisfied that the Lord Chancellor would
confirm that ()Onion. In tend of boirowirig the money
they wanted at 4} per cent. they had secured to them.
selves 6} j-er cent. for ever--(Cries of " No, No !").
Some persons had mid their Shares at a premium even of 15 per
cent. The two principal grounds on which he would oppose the
Bill were, first, because he was unwiring to conient to an imposi-
tion of a new ditty on the trade of any part of Scotland; and, se-
condly, because he thought it highly objectionable.whilst the amount
of the debt was yet unascertained, and an action was depending to
determine it. The proceeding had already caused much mischief,
and he hoped that his Hon. Friend would take the sense of the
House and give every opposition to it.
Sir G. GLERK thought the charges brought against
the Corpotation of Edinburgh by the two Hon. Mein-
hers very unfair and unjust, as neither of them had
attended the Committee upon-the Bill. Some year;
ago, the Corporation of Edinburgh had contracted a
debt of 265,0001. fcr certain improvements of the Port
of Leith. Flom the embarrassment in which the Cor
poration was placed, they proposed the sale of the it
interest in the docks to a joint stock company. It was
not until the 9.,h of October that the Shares were taken
tip. owing to the favourable state of the public funds.
The merchants of Leith released themselves from an
obligation into which they had eivered to take any of
the shams, which qu ckly rose to a pentium of 13 per
cent. The high rate of 6} per cent. was objected to as too
high a rate of interest, but if that was the large,t amount
of interest that could accrue to the Members of the Company, he
thought it was not too much, considering the risk that attended the
speculation. He denied that this measure was, as had been asierted,
a Government measure, taken up by Government with a siew of
overwhelming all opposition. It was unfair to have such a measure
of general utility opposed by Hon. Members who had neither read
the evidence, nor attended the Committee on the Bill.
Mr. I. P. GRANT said the Bill did not rest upon
the Committee, but upon the bread principles of law.
The Magistrates, as Trustees of the port of Leith, sold
the trust to themselves, and afterwards disposed of the
shares at a premium of 15 per Cent. Such a proceed-
ing he was sure would be declated illegal in the Court
of Chancery. The Trustees had taken the shares upon
speenlation of an Act of Parliament, and by so doing
brought themselves within the Bubble Act. The Corporation had
sold the property without an advertisement. The community of
Leith petitioned against the Bill, and every town on the Leith
coast trading with that port had followed the example. He called
upon the House, therefore, as it valued the law and the interest of
the community of Leith, who dere unrepresented in that House,
to reject this unjust measure.
Mr. W. DUN DAS briefly supported the Bill.
Lord GL E VOUCH Y protested against the manner in which
those Scotch jobs were managed in the Committee up stairs, which
Committee was principally composed of Scotchmen.
Mr. ABERCROM BY :aid, the Bill was a most im-
portant one, and involved many interests. He objected
to transferring the management of those Docics to an
irresponsible party—to a Joint Sock Company, to per-
sons not having any ;:iterest in the concern; they had
no interest but that of receiving their dividends. It was
a floating changeable trade, oaring nothing for the trade
of the Pert of Leith, and as little for the Docks, because their
dividends were eneured to them.
Captain WEMYSS said be bad attended the Committee; and
lie most conscientiously believed it to be a most complete job.
Mr. T. WILSON observed, that though he had not attended
the Committee, he had heard quite sufficient to convince him that
It was a job.
The House then divided; the numbers were •
For the Bin 14
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Against it 41
Majority against the Bill —27
Lord A. HAMILTON presented *Petition from Glasgow, in
- Rill—Ordered t, the table.

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A dmliar one keen thifitOwn 01.14 of Ruthergien ; and a si 1
milar tine front dieenbils. ' -
Sir R. FgftousoY presented a Petition from Dundee against
the Dundee Intprovemmlite. BM; at least praying that it might be
Purietill the seat %do*
rish Mulinfactareral Mlilwas read a third time and passed.
The Battle Bridge Roads.Rin vas read a third time and passed.

A IFORetti PgTITION.

Mr. V. FITZGERALD presented the Report of the Committee
on the Forged Petition in favour of the Roman Catholic Bill, pre-
sented by Sir J. Newport, Marsh 17. It stated that Richard le Poer
Trench Pilkingtoo had confessed himself to be the sole author and
contriver of the Petition, and the forger of the names.
Kr. Secretary PEEL moved that the said Pilkington bad been
guilty of a Breach of Privilege.—Agreed to.
He then moved that the said Pllkiogton be committed toNewgate.
Mr. BROUGHAM wished the usual course to be pursued, that
.the party be called to the bar.
The SPEAKER replied, that' the usual coarse had not been
Mich, except where there was a doubt.
Mr. BROUGHA M was not aware that the individual had been
called before the Committee.
Mr. V. FITZ° ERA LU replied, thatPilkington had been called
before the Committee, and had admitted the facts.
Mr. BROUGHAM admitted that.the ttkani Well deserved to be
sent to Newpte, but he did not like the Mode proposed ; the pre-
cedents adopted were not good ones tiS fallow. The more lenieqs-4
course, and the one which was calculited to have the sanction df-I
all parties, was to call the individual to the Bar. only, however,
to hear whether he had anything to say in mitigation.
Mr. B.INKES approved the course proixised by the Right Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. Peel); but, for the sake of unanimity, he would
agree to the lion. and Learned Member's proposition.
Mr. Secretary PEEL acceded to the Ilea. and Learned Gentle-
man's proposition.
The individual was then ordered to be brought to the bar in the
custody of the Strjeant at Arms.
The Serjeant then went to take the individual into custody.
Lord 'STANLEY presented a Petition front the Cotton Manu-
facturers of Manchester, against the Bin for regulating labour in
Cot tun Factories.
Mr. LESLIE FOSTER presented a Petition front the Solici-
tors and Attornies of Ireland, praying the repeal of their Annual
License Duty.
Mr. 11U 3IF. presented a Petition from Master Mariners and
Seamen, stating, that the Seamen,' Hospital was insufficient, and
that the deduction of sixpence a month from the wages of mer-
chant seamen, for the support of Greenwich Hospital, from which
they received no benefit, should be repealed.
Lot d A LTHORP inquired of the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
on what terms he would allow runt to be rectified?

fhe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, the duty
on British Spirits was ss. 10d. and he proposed that hum should
pay a duty of Ts. Id.
Mr. BROUGIIAM obtained leave to bring in a Bill for the
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establishment of a University in London. After some conver-
sation as to the day for bringing in the Bill,Thursday was appointed.

JURIES RILL.

Mr. Secretary PEEL moved, that an humble Address
be presented to his Majesty, pray:ng that the regulations
for impannelling Juries in local jurisdictions should be
laid before the house. The Right Hon. Gentleman
said, he found the information would be to.:essary, to enable hint
to render the Juries' complete. .The motion was agreed to.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said, the Bill before the li.,u,e
consolidated 60 Acts of Parliament, by u hick Juries
are at present regulated. Another object of the Bi:1 was
to extend the number of those qualified to serve as
Jurors, by including persons possessed of personal pro-
perty and leaseholders ; the latter having a lease for
20 years of 201. a year value, and the former being
householders, and possessed of property to the amount
of 4001. The main improvement was, that in every
case in which the Crown was a party, all Special Juries should he
selected by ballot—llear.)
Mr. SCA ItLETT expressed his entire approba: ion c-f
the measure. There was no subject of mote impottance
than rendering the trial by Jury as perfect as possible.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said the manner in which this
measure was received was one of the greatest encour-
agements any public man OW receive in the discharge of his duty,
Mr. DROUGHANI thought the Bill w °old intro..
duce a great improvement in the trial by Jury, parti-
cularly in the method of appointing Special Juries, which could
not be always free from suspicion.
The House resolved itself into a Committee on the BilL
The several clauses were agreed to.
The House resumed.—The Report was ordered to be received
on Thursday next.
JUDGES' SALARIES REPORT.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in
moving that the Report of the Resolutions for in-
creasing the Judges' Salaries should be brought up,
had one or two observations to make, arising out of the
discussi in on this subject the other evening. The ques
tion of the retired allowances to the Judges, he was,
free to acknowledge, had not formed part of the plan
which he originally submitted to the House; but, on
reconsideration, he certainly was disposed to embrace
in his object the retired allowances of the Puis,ie
Judges, and he, then fore, had some m,ditication to
propose of his former arrangement. In fixing the sa-
hales of die Puisne Judges at 6,000/. per annum, he
had two objects in view—first, to hold out' an induce-
mint to younger men to accept of the office, and a:so
to those of considerable prictice in the profession ; and
secondly, he ir4d in view that point which the Ho.
nottrabie and Learned Member opposite intendei to
bring before the House to night, namely, the transla-
tion of the Judges from the lower to the higher sta-
tions on the Bench. He had no hesitation in saying,
that the practice of promotion on the Bench was
as improper as it was unconstitutional ; yet it would
be very wrong, he thought, to say, that' in no ca,e
ought the Government to resort to such a step.—
Practically, therefore, he conc.ived that raising the
salaries of the Judges would remove one obstacle in the
way of a better course. With respect to the retired
salaries, which were now fixed at 2:3001. a year, lie pro-
posed to add 5001. per annum to that sum, and to de-
duct so much from the 60001 a year he had previously
mentioned. By this means while on the Bench, after
allowing for the expenses of the Circuits, they would
each have about 50001. per annum nett: but if less
were offered, he should doubt whether the two objects
he had m view would be attained ; and while they were
lost for a trifling consideration, by fixing the scale too
low, a subsequent revision bf the question might be-
come necessary, which, in his opinion, ought, if pos-
sible, to be avoided—(Hear, hear !)—lt was obvious,
however, that what related to the retired allowances
could not be embodied in the Report he now moved to
be brought up, although he should, after it had been received,
move the reduction of the Judges' salaries from £6OOO t0.f5500
per annum each—(Hear, hear).
Mr. SCARLET!' wished the retired allowances to
be augmented still more; nor, as above two persons at
a time could not be expected to enjoy them, did he
consider such an increase would be burthensome to t' e
publ:c. A Judge in the receipt of 5,5001. per annum
WAS accustomed to live in a certain style, which he
would find it difficult to abandon for one to the main-
tenance of which 2,8001. a year was adequate. He
therefore wished some inducement were held out to
Judges to retire from the Bench while they could do so
with dignity. To his own knowledge the late Baron
Wood, whose infirmities rendered his administration of
justice most painful to himself, to the Bar, and to the
spectators in Court, hesitated two or three years when
he wanted one eye, and he might add both his ears, be-
fore he could bring himself to retire. Nor was it his object
that in retiring with dignity the Judges should become
a useless to the country. Few, perhaps, were aware, that

Ito the Privy Council lay all appeals from the Colones,'
including the Indite's, and that- the decision was final.
Ic was at the same time impOssible that Gentlemen,
without experience and knowledge of the law, could
properly determine some of the worst causes. He re-
collected some years ago, on one occasion, when Sir
William Grant, who, from nature and education,
as a Lawyer and a Judge_ was competent to any judi-
cial function—owing to some circumstance, did not
attend the Privy Councl. He (Mr. Scarlett) was
with others, professionally present; and they all agreed
that Seven Appeals had been decided improperly in one
day. It struck him, thee/fore, that although a Judge
might not be able to go through the labour of a Cir-
cuit, he might be able to assist at the Privy Council
with great advantage to the public. Berne he sar
down, he was anxious to .ask for an opportunity to
have the resolution reconsidered, which went, in his
opinion; to rob the Chief Justice of a part of his income, to create
a fund out of which to pay the Puisne judges. When could he
propose such a reconsideration ?
The CHANCELLOR of theEXCHEQUER doubted
whether in point of form it was competent for the
llo-
nourable and Learned Gentleman to propose any increase
except in a Committee, to which, if it was the sense of
the House, he should have no objection, as a means of again open-
ing the question. At the same time he still retained the opinion
be at first stated.

The SPEAKER 'observed, that a diminution might in the pre-
sent stage be proposed in any of the sums mentioned in the Reso.
lotions, but not an increase.—The Report was then brought up.
After some discussion as to the proper time for Mr. BROUGLIA3I
to make the motion of which he had given notice% it was agreed
that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman should now ptoceed.

Mr. BROUGHAM perfectly agreed with what had
fallen hum his Honourable and Learned Friend ; but
the part of his remark to which he attached the
greatest importance, was the retiring pensions, which
be thought ought to be 3,5001. a year. He objected
to the scale, because the Chief Justice gave up a great
deal for a small advance, and the Puisne Judges gave
up nothing for a very great one : and yet the labour
of the latter was nothing as compared with the for-
mer. The Puisne Judges had nearly two months' ho
lidays, that is, from the 28th of November to the 20th
of January, during all which time the Chief Justice
sat every day from half-past nine o'clock, for the trial
of causes. His next objection was to the scale, as
it regarded the Vice-Chancellor, of whose Court he
should say there never was one which got through a
greater amount of business, and latterly with great
s t:isfaction. Here he would just observe, that it was
the business of a Judge to decide the causes ; now his
Honcur, the Vice-Chancellor, did nothing but decide
causes. Day after day he came down to his Court
for that purpose, even when irks health would badly
admit of it ; and he certainly knew many men who
would rather have their causes hast.iy de sided, than
have the chance of their never being decided at all—
(A laugh). Yet his Honour therece-Chancell.a,v.ho did
nearly all the Chancery business (for little was done in
the Rolls), had but 6,0001. a year, whilst the Master of
the Rolls had 7,0001. a year, and the Chief Baron 80001.
The busine:s of the Master of the Rolls was nothing
compared with theVice•Chancellor's, who had the Court
of Chancery business, in fact, to perform. This scale,
'therefore, was wrong. He also thought that the salary
of 8i 001. a-)ear for the Chief Justice of the Common
Pleas trod too closely upon that of the Chief of the
Court of king's Bench, ho was Chief Justice of all
Ziglani. As to the salary of the ,ttisse Judges—and
he spoke it in a place from which his expressions would
in a few hours be conveyed to the 11:neh—he thought
the proposed scale too high, and that they would be
well and truly-pail wi.h 50001. a-year—(Hear). When
he said this, the House must feel he gave a disinterested
opinion ; for it was not pleasant to speak in reduction of •
the incomes of those in whose presence he must spend
nearly the whole of his time, and where it was desirable
for him professionally to hold a good understanding: still
he must say, that 60001. a-year was for them quite an
extravagant r. muneration, and he believed there were
none more surprised at it than the Judges themselves.
When the salary of 6,0001. a year was first stated, the
Banisters in Westminster Hall were thrown into a fer-
ment of astonishment, and he believed it was not ex-
pected by the Learned Judges themselves. The first
observr ion was, that the Speaker himself, who holds
the highest situation in that House—the first Commoner
of the realm, and the representative of that House to the
Crown, had but 6,0001. a year, with incalculable ex-
penes—(Hear). They all knew with what refined hospi-
tality and dtnified splendour the office was filled (Hear).
Then there was the office of Secretary of State for the
Foreign Departmert, who had to maintain the national
hospitality on a suitable scale, in the presence of fo-
reigners of rank—who had his household expendit •re
also swelled by the nearly constant maintenance of mes•
sengers—who, besides, had no house provided for him,
and; indeed, whose office was no sinecure—(Hear); for
he had to listen to the ambitious pretensions of the
Holy Alliance, to fence off all their meditated attacks
upon public liberty, in the best way he could—to keep
them off his hands ; and he had no doubt it required
all his ingenuity to do so—to make excuses of all kinds
for them both in and out of the House—to correspond
back and forwards with these good people—to tell them
that to attempt in England to assist in some of their
projects would be just as much as his head was worth
—(A laugh, and hear)—then to manage matters in de-
bate in Parliament ; and yet all this for 6,0001. a-year !
The Puisne Judges were only plagued all day with the
Lawyers, but the Foreign Secretary was plagued with
them all night—(Laughter)--not so satisfactorily, in-
deed, for either party, for the Lawyers had often a
chance of gaining a cause by day, but they had little
or none when they grappled with the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman by night. Oa the whole, he thought 5,0001.
a year wai quite enough for the Puisne Judges: he
would propose, then, at once, to lop off 5004 from the
Resolution of 5,5001. a-y.mr, and he had no doubt in
this reduction he shoultd have the assistance of his Hon.
and Learned Friend near him.

[Mr. &Amur'. exclaimed," Indeed, you shall not.l
Mr. BROUGHAM continued.—lt his Mtn. Friend
would not, he would move that amendment him-
self. He came now to the main purpose of his motion
—the translation of the Judges, which was calculated
to have the same operation on them as it was supposed
(falsely- no doubt) the translations from another Bench
had. He must admit that he never knew any instance
of that operation in a manner that would deserve the
censure of Parliament. In speaking thus, he confined
himself to the Common Law Judges. though, as an
honest man, he could nut say that he had not seen effects
produced by this cause. In the late King's re•gn there
was but one instance of a transl ttion, that of Chi. f Baron
Eyre, but within the last 13 years there had been
seven acts of.translation, namely, the Lot d Chief Justice
Gibbs, Baron Thompson, Baron Richards, the Lurd
Chief Justice Abbott, Chief Justice Dallas, the Chiet

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'Baron, dhd Mr. Just:ce Best. Evil' one of thi
Arch-Judges had been at common Judge transleed,
as an Archbishop was genetally made finm a Bishop,
Reverting to dee difEcitlit which he bad before men:.
tioned, he preferred shutting out the promotion of the
most deserving Judge once in fifty years, and amidst a
dearth of the requisite talent, to leaving the subject so
open to jealous animadversion. lie meant no offence
to any one man—he spoke theoretically. Ile went by
his knowledge of human nature. He proposed to in-
sert in the Resolution, si Whereas it is expedient to
secure the independence of the ledges by providing them adequate
salaries; and whereas it is unwise and inexpedient to promote Puisne
Judges to be Chief Justices, or Puisne Barons to be Chief Barons."
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL thought it would be
very unwise and inexpedient to adopt the resolution as
it was moved by his Honourable and Learned Friend.
It was said that these translations were more nume-
rous than in former times. At the time of the appoint-
ment of Chief Justice Dell is, the place was offered to
the Attorney-General, who refused it. H's Hon. and
Learned Friend had quite forgotten the prac ice of past
timesi Lord Cake was moved from the Common Pleas
to the Chief Justiceship. Sir M. Hale was *a Patine Judge before
he was made Chief Justice. Lor4 Hardwicke was Chief Justice
Justice of the King's Bench, and then was made Lord Chancellor.
Lori Camden was Chief Justice of the Common Pleas before he
Was Lord Chancellor. Set the Honourabk and Learned cowl-
Remus would lead the House to belitve, that since 1810 a new
principle had been adopted. Accident had multiplied the case.,
but there was no new principle. Lord Kenyon was Chief Justice
of Chester and Master of the Rolls before he was made Chief Jus-
tice of the King's Bench. What did all this prove. bet that the
line could only be drawn, however desirable in general to avoid the
practice of translation, by individual discretion, and that discretion
must be left with the Crown?
Mr. SCARLET I' complained of the inconsistency of
the speech which had just been delivered, with that of
the Chancellor of the txchequer. As particular in-
stances had been referreZ to, he would ask why it was,
dist while Mr: Baron Garrow was Attorney-General,
although three Chief Justiceships had become vacant,
he was not offered one of them, and was afterwards
obliged to accept the offer of Puisne Baron ? As to the
promotion from Chief Justiceships to the Chancellorship
they never could be frequent, for the former were per-
manent, while the latter depended on the chance dun:-
tion of Administrations. lie thought the House ought,
in raising the salaries of the Jadges, to embody the
spirit of the motive which led to it in a resolution, that posterity
might know the grounds on which the measure was adopted.
Mr. Secretary CANNING would not undertake to
argue on the points of pi ofesional knowledge in issue
between the Hon. and Learned Members; but conced-
ing all which hair been urged by the lion. and Learned
Gentleman who spoke las., he found the argument con-
clusive against agreeing to the resolution proposed by
the Hon. and Learned Member for Winclielsea, becauso
it would lead to a particular motion upon every act of
judicial promotion by the Crcwn, if once adopted by
Parliament. The monition, if any were needed, ought
to be conveyed directly, and not by a sidelong hint,-as
to the proper exercise of the discretion, which all agreed
ought to be left with the Crown. He rem nded the
Home of the question started g the time of the Re-
gency, about the creation of Peers. It aas thought that
'the authority of creation ought to be suspended. It
was then proposed that there should be an exception
reserved in favour of instances of peculiar military me-
rit. Both sides of the House, ho Nevi r, felt that whatever
else was questionable, this would be wrong; as it would
become the practice—nay, almost the duty of the HoaseV
to investigate each case inwhich the Crown might bestow
any mark of merit. If restraint must be it ought to be ef-
fected by a la y, that the Crown might know the limits
left to it.

Lord ALTHOItP thought that some regulation
in the promotion of Judges was necessary, aid t!:e
proposed Resolution was only preparatory to the in-
troduction of a Bill with that express object. He also
thought chat the discretion of the Crown should be more defined—*
though not entirely taken away.
Mr. Secretary Pan. said, the Resolution of the Hon.
Learned Member was for an increase of sa'ary in one
of it, and yet it went to say—that the acceptance of
Such an increase would be injurious to the independence
of the Judges! Individuals of rare merit might be
excepted, according to the Honourable Member, but
yet look at she slur he cast upon them for accepting an
increased salary. The matter, in his opinion, ought to
be left to the Crown, subject to the responsibility of the
advisers of the Crown. This Resolution was uncon-
stitutional, and as such he (Mr. Peel) objected to
His Honourable and Learned Friend only referred to
individual cases, to shew that there were some pecu-
liarities which occurred of late years, justifying a de•
viation from the practice prevailing for sixty years be-
fore. Under these circumstances, be felt it an imperative duty to
oppose the Resolution.
Mr. HUME was surprised to find that the elevation
of Mr. Justice Best was not noticed in this discus-
sion. He wished the House to interfere, for to that
appointment every man objected. He hoped the House would
prevent such disgraceful events from again occurring.
Mr. Serjeant ONSLOW, could tell the Honourable
Member that the Lord Chief Justice of the Common
Pleas was one of the most eminent men at Westmin-
ster Hall.

Mr. DENMAN observed, it was said if appointments
did not give satisfaction they ought to Address the
Crown. Since the Judges were made removable by
Address of that House, no English Judge bad been re-
moved. The proposition of his Hon. and Learned
Friend appeared entitled to support.
Mr. C. WYNN thought the Judges must have acted
meritoriously, as none had been removed during so many
years. The Honourable Gentleman said, at the time of
the appointment of the Lord Chief Justice a most re-
spectable Gentleman would have been appointed. He
paid the highest encomiums on that' excellent Gentle—
man, but he knew that if the office of Chief Justice of Chester had
been offered to him he could not have accepted it; his state oc
health slid not permit him to take it.
Mr. DEN MA N said, on the death of Lord Effenborough the
office was open, and Mr. Serjeant Lens was is good health and in
a condition to accept the office.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, Mr. Serjeant Lens considered the
office of Chief Justice of Chester one of a pobtical character, which
he could not accept.
)Ir. A BERCRObi BY said, the facts on which this resolution
was founded were indisputable. Two Chiefs, nearly at the same
time, had been elevated to that rank from Puisne Judges. ITo him
this appeared to be a course of appointment highly objectionable.
He concluded by supporting the resolution.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL could not concur in the state-
ment made itiy the Honourable Member who had just spoken. The
quantum of business transacted by the Lord Chancellor was the
greatest ; and he could not allow that the badness of the Vice-
Chancellor, however laborious, lessened the exertions of the Lord
Chancellor.

The question was then called for, and the House divided.
F•r the Resolution, 29 I Against it, 112 I Majority, $3.
On the admission of strangers to the Gillery,the Carancat.t.on of
the EICACQUER was opposing the further postponement of the dis-
• ussion, which Alt. SCARLITT had recommended.
The Report was ultimately ordered to be taken into further
tomideration on Friday twit.
The Last India Jadges Bill was postponed to Friday se'nuight.

• • 1%./ g• pressman a roman fro
fogs; of the Clyde Cue% 3W.—Ordered to lie on tl

tit_. e (St nada ,+tade gid watt through a Cdinmittee, and
,was a- 1
ikted to be /tad added time on Friday next.
. ‘ ADJOWINDIEST OW Ills nottall.
Ors kite bastion of the CIaWCZLCOIi of site Ilscusuuaa, the House
itijourned until Tharp& neat.
The House • -at HALF-Pllif Ns o'Ctocs:

MAJORITY AND MINOiOTV
- ON TH2 SICONIi RIADING OF THE CATHOLIC RELIEF
DILL.-MAY 17.
MAJORITY.
Lor4 plansfirld
Orford

Duke of York
fiord Chaiscelloe
•sl Privy Seal . Lansdale
Duke. of Richmond Harewood
Aparafort Cathcart
Rutland *ownlow
Dorset Beauchamp
Nein/Lade Fahnotith
Wellington Verolath
Marquis of Worcester Stanhope
Salisbury Sheffield
Hertford Kinnoul
Exeter Viscount Sydney
Northampton Sidmouth
Anglesey Lake
Aylesbury Ex mouth
Thousand Ileresford
Lothian Lorton
Rad of Pembroke lard De Clifford
••• Shaftesbury De la Zouch
Abingdon W. de Broke
Scarborough Ilawke
Aylesford Boston

Lord Clanbrassill
(Earl of Roden)
Meldrum (Earl
Aboyne)
Itavensworth
Delamere
Dufferin
Middleton
Teynham
Bexley
Gifford

Granary
Grey
Dalhousie (Earl)
tenshurst
ArehbiShop of Can-
teibury
York

Armagh
Bishop of London
Lincoln _

St. David's

Siatnford Dynevor St. Asaph
Macclesfield ' Walsingham Ely
Pomfret Rodney Bath and Wells
home Montague Litchfield
Radnor Kenyon Peterborough
Bathurst Rolle Ilindaff
Abergavenny Stuart (Earl Mo- Exeter
Strange ray Gloucester
Rigby Saltersford (Earl Chichester
Liverpool (7ourtown) Chester
Roe:fort Bolton Elphin
Longford Northwick Down
Mayo Carbery Bristol
Enniskillen Redesdale Oxford
O'Neill Arden Worcest •r
Lord Powis Gambier Ilereford
Charkville Colchester
PROXIES.

)uke of Cumberland Earl Norwich (Duke Marquis Cholmonde-
Duke of Clarence of Gordon) ley
Lord Coventry Lord Tyrone (Mar- Lord Newburgh ,
Lord Harris quis Waterford) Earl Talbot
Earl Ferrets Lord Wodehouse Lord ltibblesdale
Lord Manners Earl Poulett Lord Forrester
Earl Harcourt Earl Nelson * Earl Plymouth
Earl of Errol Bishop of Waterford Lord Glenlyons
Lord Loftus (Marq. Bishop of Carlisle Duke of Marlborough
Ely) Lord Fitherwick Duke of Manchester
Lord Rivers (Marquis Donegal) Earl Ilowe
Earl Manvers Earl Chichester Lord Douglas (Earl
Lord St. Helens Bishop of Durham Morton)
Lord Le l)espeacer Earl Malmesbury Earl MotintEdgcumbe
Bishop of Winchester Earl Romney Viscount Carlton
Lord Stowell Earl Broderick (Mid-Earl Winchilsea
Bishop of Bangor dleton) Lord Bagot
Lord Saboon Earl Stradbroke Earl Craven
Earl Carrick Lord Dormer Earl of Cardigan
Lord Vernon Earl WClllysi Earl of Egremont
Lord Douglas Earl Graham (Duke Earl of Ciancarty
Lord Ross (Earl of of Montrose) Lord Forbes
Glasgow) Lord Gort - Lord Iltaybrookpaired
Earl Krilie Lord Gordon (Mar- off with Lord Bay.
Vise. Arbuthnot quii Huntly) ning
Lord Oriel Earl Chatham
M I NOR ITY.
Earl Grosvenor Viscount Clifdeo
Ilchester Down
Wicklow Maynard
Fortescue Duncin
Carnarvon Lord l)acte
Cbarlcmout - Ilowardof Mktg-
Kingston ham
Donoughmore Howard of Wal-
Caleclon den
Itosslyn King
St. Germains Montfort
Wilton G r anthaon
Limerick Holland
Gosford . Foley
Grey • Gage
Idinto Dunktas
Morley Yarborough
Somers Auckland
Cork Cawdor
Darnley Calthorpe
Ormond Suffield
Clare Elleuborough
Lauderdale Abercromby
Breadalbane Lynedock
Aberdeen Selsey
Viscount Hereford 'Alford
Torrington Napier
DudleyandWard Bishop of Norwich
Melville
PROXIES.

Duke of Sussex
Lord Pre.ident
Duke of Grafton
Portland
levoushire
liuckingbant
Argyll
Leinster
Marq. of Lansdown
Bute
Queensberry
Camden

Conyngbam
Downibire

Londonderry
Earle Essex
Albemarle
Suffolk
Jersey
Roseberry
TankervUle
Bristol
Cowper
litzwilliam
liardiekke
Darlington
Oxford
Spencer
Clarendon

Earl ALdgrave Earl Carlisle garl Lucan
Marquis of Sligo Earl of Hopetoun Earl Derby
Lord Amherst Lord Say and Sele Marquis Wellesley
Earl of Egremont Dukedf Hamilton Lord Maryhorough
Lord Belhaven Lord Churchill Earl Cornwallis
Earl Elgin Earl Granard Earl Carysfort
Viscount Granville Lord Hutchinson Lord Sondes
Marquis of Stafford Marquis of Headfort Earl lklmore
Duke of Somerset Lord Erskine Earl Harrington
Duke of Bedford Viscount Melbourne Earl de la Warr
♦iscouut Anson Bishop of Rochester Earl Grenville
Lord Clinton Lord Gwydyr Earl CassiUs
Lord Duck Earl Besborough Earl of Buckingham
Lord Carrington Lord Crewe shire
Marquis of Tweedale Earl Blesinton Lord Alvanley
Lord Hill Earl Wah!egrave

THE EVENING STAR

LONDON:

SATURDAY, MAY 21, 1825.
STOCK EXCHANGE, TWELVR O'CLOCK.
Consols opened this morning at 891 to 90 for this Account, and
for next time 901. The business done is to ad great extent as yet.
Consols are in a continual fluctuation, and are now at 90 Buyers.
In the Foreign Market everything is heavy, and little or nothing
doing.
Current Prices: New Spanish 181, Old Spanish "41, Rus-
sian 95, 'Mexican 761 77, Austrian 96k, Colombian New 881 89,
Mesican Scrip disc. Danish Scrip 31 disc. Greek Scrip 61 /
disc. New Peruvian i 1 I disc.
[MICE OF STOCKS AT ONE O'CLOCK.
'Bank Stock 228
3 per Cent. heal. 89% 1/8
per Cent. Cons. 90 89% 90 •
per Cent. 971 A
Si per Cent. Red. 971/8
4 per Cent. New 1051/8 10418
Lor.g Ann.2l 11.16 :A.
India Bonds 48 52
4:1,000 I?.x -hey. itinb 38 40
£5OO ditto 33 40 •
I:100 and 1...200 .?,Ito 38 40
India for Acct. 978
on.. tor Acct. IA) F97/8 90

This forenoon we recvired N w York Pets to the
• '2lst of Apiil. Tney coeitain accounts from Buenos
Ayres, but not of so late a tide by six weeks, as our.
previous arrivals.
The intelligence from Colombia in Papers is

to the 3d of llarch but it has ahead), been toseepat:d
in the &rim. Acconnts from Alratmlo state Oat an
embargo had been laid there, in consevence of an ex-
peditign which %vat fitting out aga'nst Campeach y.

We have received the French Ayers of Wednesday
and Thursday, and the 'toile dated yesterdsty ; they
contain some news from Greece, which we have noticed
elsewhere. The Monitiur of Wednesday is atmost es•
elusively devoted to repOrts of the debates on the
Budget in the Chimber of Deputies, of some days pre-
ceding, for the French Journalists do not keep pace
with the proceedings of the Chambers, as we do Stith our
Parliament, but wait, we suspect, sometimes until the Member
furnishes a Report of his own Speech. Thus the }llene:ear of
Wednesday contains the ' Discours' of M. BENOIST, which was
delivered in the Chamlm. of Deputies on the preceding Saturday.
The same Journal contains a list of the Deputies who arc to assist
at the Coronation. We need scarcely state from which side they
have been chosen, or add that the name of Batuassue Consztwr
does not appear in the number.
The Etude of yesterday states, that when the ceremony of the
Coronation is finished, his Naivety will pus a few days at Com-
peigne, and make his solemn entry into Paris on die 6th of June, in
the Coronation coach. The rejoicings in Pads will last 10 days.—
Carts, laden with plate, set out from Paris on 'Wednesday. The
equipage of the Minister of War was to set out to-day.
The Etoi:e contains accounts from Madrid of the
10th May, stating that the Spanish Government had
received dispatches from Don JUAN MAnmez, an-
nouncing that he had re-established the Absolute Au-
thority in the Philippine Islands.
Ratives, MAY 19.-101 f. 25e. for Time, 101 f. 30e. 3 per Cents.
74f. 60c.
• 1.
All the accounts ft oni Grtece,—
wtiethei derived through
the Prench or German Paters, or in letters hoes Corfu, agree in
stating that the Egyptian troops have been defeated near Modon,
hut little reliance can be placed on the details. The Allgenicine
ailiditg, of the 14th inst. received This morning, states, on the
authatity of an article from Leghorn, that 'SRA HIM PACUS was
besieging Navarino, and had made a breach of two or three feet.
He is stated to have about 8,000 men.
Some alarm has been felt in Greece, in tonsequente of-eite-ohfii-
sition of Maumee At.i to the errportation of corn from Egypt.

Last nigh•, the House of Peers adjourned for the Ho-
lidays to Wednesday, and the Commons to Thursday
next. Much business was transacted by the latter in the
course of the evening. The Leith Docks Bill was thrown
out on a second reading, by a majority of 41 to 14.
The House then decided that Richard k Poer Trench
Pilkington, who had confessed himself the sole author
'of the Petition imposed some time since on Sir Joux
Nawpoar, in favour of the Catholic Claims, should be
brought to the Bar in the custody of the Serjeant at
Arms, for the purpose of being taken to Newgate as
guilty of a gross breach of privilege. Mr. BROUGHAM
afterwards gave notice, that he should submit a propo-
sition next week to the House for founding an Univer-
sky in the City of London.—Mr. Secretary Pezes ex-
cellent Bill for securing the complete independence of
Juries went through a Committee and brought once
more upon its author the just and universal applause of
all parties. The last business was receiving the
Report of the Bill for raising the Judges' Salaries. 4.-
The CHANCIILLOR of the EICHIQUICR proposed an alteration in the
salaries of the Puisne Judges, by fixing It at X 5,500 a year, instead
of six thousand, in order to increase the pension on retirement thin
0E2,300 to ,e 2,500. Mr. BROUGHAM moved a Resolution tending
to deprive Puisne Judges of the capability of being promoted to the
Chief Justiceship ; but his proposition was rejected by a majority of
; the numbers being, for it, 22—agaitut it, 112. After some
discussion the farther consideration of the Report was pOstponesito
Friday next.

FOREIGN FUNDS, TWO O'CLOCK.
Austrian Bds S p Ct. 971 Mee.Boods, 5 p Ct. 761
Brazilian Bonds 831 Ditto Acct.
Ditto Scrip, 5 per Cent. Ditto Scrip 1825,
Ditto Scrip 1825,', . Ditto Acc. 2; 1 dis
Ditto Acct. 01 1 pr Neapolitan Bonds, 1824,
Buenos Ayres Bonds, 9:: Pernv.Bonds, 6 per Ct. 761
Chilian Bonds, 6 p Ct. Ditto Acet. 761 1
Colombian-13412,6 p C. Portuguese Bonds 901
Ditto Bonds, 1824, 881 Prussian Bonds 1822, 5 p Ct.
Ditto Acc. Ituss.Bonds,lB22, 6 p Ct. 941 1
Danish Bonds, 5 per Ct. Ditto for Act.
Ditto Marks Banco 102 Spanish Sp. Ct. C. 231 1
Ditto Scrip, 1825, 31 dis Ditto Acct. 931
Ditto Acc. Span. sp. Ct C. 1823,
Greek Bonds 501 Ditto Acct.
Ditto Scrip, 1825, 7 dis French Renter, 5 per Ct. 101 f.
Ditto Acct. 61 7 61 dis Exchange 25f. roc.
BRITISH AND FaREIGN SHARES, TWO O'CLOCK.

11INES

,
SNARL PAID. PIUCE rig, SHA JUL
Anglo Mezkan • £lOO a'2o iss. .1.5,pm. £B7l
Anglo Chiliad - - 100 - 5 . .se 13
Pasco Peruvian - 100 - S - -14 i *
Potosi, La Pas, do Peru,. 50 5 9/ 9 *
Royal Irish £1 Its. 3d. 2 preen. le J slls.

S 6

Mabee Alliance

ASSURANCE COMPANY.
100 S
MISCLLLANEOUS.
SKA ft 7). T tID. PlaCt rcirsnaas.
Atlantic and Pacific - .eloo £lO
Brazilian Agric. and Jewel - 100 - 3 - 5
Canada Company - 100 . 10 -326 A 34 321
Canal Gas Engine 50
London Brick Company 50 1 1
Provincial Bank of Ireland 100 5 71 k 3
Rio de la Plata Agricul. Com. 100 " 5 5 I

Yesterday
Party to dinner.
The CIIIANCELVIR of the EXCHEQUER came to town
yesterday morning, from East Coombe.
Yesterday afternoon, at, half- past two o'clock, a Ca-
binet Council was held at the Foreign Office, Downitv-street, which
was attended by nearly all the Cabinet Ministers. The Cabinet sat
in deliberation till nearly f?ur o'clock.
The E4rl of LI VRIIPOOL transacted business yesterJay
at the Colonial Office.

take of YORK entertaii

In the Vice•Chancellnr's Court, yesterday, an appli-
cation was made against Mr. Disuse and his wife, to recover pos. ,
session of certain India bonds and policies of insurance placed in
the hands of Mrs. Duette by the late Mr. FAIIIITL3/101r. Mr.
D:sNcv alleged separation from his wife, and that she was abroad,
and out of the jurisdiction of the Court. The VACUCHANCELLOR
was of opinion that the process of the Court ought not to issue
against Mr. Mow, but the East India Company ought to be
made a party to the suit. If Mrs. Dower did not eventually ap-
pear, the bill, as against her, must be taken pro caßfesso.

OLD BAII.h:V.—THIS MORNING.
John Thonipson, alias Gsrktain Aloker, a well-known character,
one who pretends to take furnished lodgings, and in the interim of
the owner quitting the room, takes an opportunity of removing any
article of plate,.or watches, that is in the room, was indicted for
stealing a watch, the property of Elizabeth Johnson, of Chapman-
street, Cannon.street-road, and was convicted on the clearest
evidence. Mr. Serjeant ARA ens observed, in passing the sentence
of the Court on him, that he had had a very narrow e.cape for his
life ; that he had been five tinges at that bar; and in order to pre-
vent his re appearance, he would sentence hint to lee transported
for lite.

A' APAL INTELLIGEVe.e.
The Catherine of -Aberdeen, Was abandoned by the crew
in lat. SI. long. 27. being waterlogged. 4
The Mary, SqllPipow, from Swanage to Cowes, foundered off
the Needles on ,Thuriday night. Crew. saved.
Arrived off Plyntouth, the Vigilant, l'urv, from Hemetarst ; and
the lkighton,---, ?rom New York, is supposed off there.
Arrived off &illy, the 1i 4eha Catherina, from Pernambuco;
and Therese, —., from Aleitandrit:
The Malvina, Purt.i.ses from London to' the Cape of Gelid.
Hope. was spoken with in lat. 2. N. lolig. 21. W. She had ezpe-
deuced a severe gale on the Ist of March, in the Bay of Biscay, in
which she lost her bulwarks, staunehions, sails, boats, &c.
FALnOben, MAT 19.--. Wind E.S.R.—Arrived the Lady Ford,
from Fayal, in 15 days. for Dantzie.
Pl.Taiourn, MAT 19.—Wind b.:AK—Arrived off the part, the
anobrce, Farm, from Bengal—sailed the 9th of January ; landed
=titers and mail; Roweliffs HUGART, front Honduras, in 49
k and Eagle, blitaTou, from Philadelphia.
l'initaxousw, MAT 20.—Wind S.E.—Arrived the Arab wans•
port, from Rio Janeiro, &e. last from Dartinouth ; and hii Ma-
jesty's ship Quail., limn a eruize.
DIAL, MAT 20.—Wind N.E.—Arrived and sailed for the River.
the Jane, Bsoverr, and Perseverance, ANIITON, from Oporto;
Hector, Ntenou.s. from Tenerife ; Active AnAns, from Sc. Vin-
cent's; Aurora, ..---, front Lisbon ; and Tyne, WAARINCTOM,
from Madras—the latter remains. Passed through from the River,
the Grecian, Actaar, for lloridttras ; Alfred, MosxmAs, for
Smyrna; Camerons, TRUNDLE, for 13erbice; and Thomas, Worm.
for (bane.
. .
LivaarooL, MAY 19.—Wind &S.l;—Arrived the Abigail,
GAILDNZR, from New Orleans—sailed 23d March; aNd from lk--
lize,99th do. Also, the Romulus' Weas, from Charleston.
COCK, MAT 17.—Wind &E--Sailed the iteguluss Dazon, and
Amity, Assowsainu, with emigrants, for Quebec.