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POOR LAWS IX IRELAND.

Sir J. NEWPOKT presorted a petition from Watrrford,
for a law for making a provision for the poor ot Ireland. He
had long been opposed to the establishment ot poor laws in
Ireland, but experience had convinced him of the indipen-
sible necessity of the measure.
Mr. GRATTAN was happy to find that his tight hon.
friend had become a convert to the opinion that pour
laws were necessary for Ireland. He si ould, within a
month. ask keys to bring in a bid, similar to thit he ni,d
brought in bye years ago for the relief of the poor of !re-
told ; be proposed making some alterations, to make the
ghou property contribute to the support of the poor.
Mr. SLANEY said, poor lows tot Ireland went become
indispensible—he was confident the evils of the English
poor laws might be avoided.
Sir ROBERT BATESON was confident that the con-
nection between Ireland and England depended on a speedy
movision being made for the poor of Ireland.
Mr. HUNT had heard the proposal of pour lass for
Ireland with great delight. He was confident the English
members would support the measure of pour hies for Ire-
land instiyte of his Majesty's ministers, it they should op-
pose It. Hear.)
Mr. W SE felt that a provision for the poor of Ireland
woe absolutely indispensible.
Mr. ItUTHVEN was happy to find that all those who
made the Nato of Ireland the subject of consideratioe were
agreed that poor laws were Indispensible for Ireland. Many
Irish members who formerly opposed the introduction of
poor laws were now convinced of their necessity.
Mr. CALLAGHAN had long been et opinion that
nothing could so much conduce to the tranquillity of
Ireland as a well.digested system of Poor Laws; but he
was aware that the landlords of Ireland feared that they
might by the operation of Poor Laws become paupers on
their own estates.
Mr. GEORGE DAWSON had long been opposed to
the introduction of Poor Laws in baud, but was con-
vinced that it was impossible to tranquillise Ireland
without Poor Laws. lie wished the subject was in the
hands of Government, rather than of any individual.—
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. LEADER said, the question of a provision for the
pr of Ireland was become a vital English question.
(Hear, hear.) The state of society in Ireland was one that
could not continue; it was on the verge of anarchy, suffer-
ing in the last stage of destitution and despair. The popu.
lotion was put below the level of humanity—it wasted the.
blessing of Government, and nothing would prosper till that
great want was supplied.
Mr. S. RICE thought the question could only be properly
I discussed when there-was a distinct proposition before the
house.
Mr. HUME said, a provision for the poor of Ireland was
a measure that ought to be brought forward by the Go-
vernment. Ile considered much of the depression of the
English character, and of the comfort of the people, had
been caused by the poor laws, and should oppose the intro-
duction of the English poor laws into belied.
Mr. SHELL thought the question of a provision for tl.e
land,
Ireland was one that pressed both on Ireland and
' land, and ought not to be neglected or delayed.
. SADLER hoped he would be allowed to bring fur.
ward his measure for relieving the poor of Ireland on the day
be had given notice, the 2d of August.
Lord ALTHORP said, he feared it would be impossible
that the hon. gentleman could have the attention of die have
on the 24 of August, but was satisfied the boo. gentleman
would have the opportunity before the close of the SOSbi( n.
antsion.
Mr. HUME asked, whether there was any °Ake ion to Loy
the
the Housepapers respecting the settlement of Belgium LwowOttote
Lord PALMERSTON said, the 'moss/Son was net vrt
completely Olociaded, when it should the House would Pe
informed. His Lordship brought up a copy of a P. loc.'s,
agreed on botwetio 'England. Prussia, Austria, and flu
relative to the demolition of some of the fo t s u

frontiers of Belgiuin, after the government of that country
should be finally settled.

DEBT OF ENGLAND AND HOLLAND TO RUSSIA.
Mr. A. BAR INO asked what coune had been adopted
by the Government respecting a debt which Russia owed in
Holland in 1815, and which this country and Holland eon-
'Rented to pay during the time Belgium remained joined to
Holland. Up to the present time we had continued to pay
ear share of the interest. which amounted to 100,0001. an.
Loally ; but he understood that Holland had lately objected
to pay her abase. Under these circumstances, he begged
to ask what was the course about to be adopted by England
un the subject ?
Lord PALM E RSTON aaid that the question was one
deserving of great attention, and the fact was, that the
question whether England under the circumstances was
Justly liable, or was released from her engagements; was
,miler the consideration of his Majesty's Government.—

( Hear, hear.)
Mr. H. BARING asked if the r.oble lord had heard that
Holland had refused to pay her share of that sum ?
Lord PALMERSTON had rut been aware of the fact,
until mated by the hon. gentleman. She certainly was not
as well able to pay as heretofore, owing to her having lost
After a few words from Colonel DAVIES,
Sir R. PEEL rose to put rome questions to his noble
Mind. One of them had been in a great measure answered
by the papers laid on the table by the noble lord. which
treated of the fortresses in the Netherlands, certain of which,
as it appeared, were to be razed or demolished. Another
question which he had to put would apply to this point.
In the Convention, where It had been agreed that the
fortresses in question should be built up, the Powers pre-
sent were Great Britain, Austria, Russia, and Prussia,
France being, for sonic cause or other, excluded. What he
wished to know now was this, was France to be a party to
the demolition of the fortresses mentioned in the protocol, or
were they to be razed solely according to the views of the
powers who created Them ? The right hon. gentleman then
alluded to the forbearance of the house respecting the foreign
affairs of the country, and adverted to th.: speech of the King
of the French, in which the fortresses in question were sa:d
to be raised to "menace France rather than protect Bel-
gium." He regretted that the King of the French should
have made such a speech, because he (Sir H. Peel) denied
that the fortresses in question had been raised to menace
France, but to protect Belgium. (Cries of hear, hear).—
He regretted the departure from courtesy that was exhi
hited in this speech, and he asked how it was that the
Sovereign of France could state that all the for-
tresses were to be demolished, while in fact It only ap.
peered, from the papers before the House, that certain of
these fortresses only were to be demolished. The right hon.
gentleman then alluded to that part of the speech of the
King of the French which related. to the French fleet having
blockaded Lisbon, and that the French tricolour was waving
under the walls of the metropolis of Portugal. From this it
would appear, said the right hon. baronet, that that country,
which England was hound by treaty to support against
foreign aggression or insult, was at the mercy of France.
Was this the fart, or was it not ? His second question then
was this, was there any objection on the part of his Ma-
jesty's government to lay before the house copies of any
communication that might have taken place either with Por-
tugal or France, respecting the attack that had been made
upon Lisbon by the French, or relative to the affair in any
way?
Lord PALMERSTON would not go into details at that
moment on the sul ject referred to by his Right Hon. Friend.
His Right Hon. Friend had rightly stated that he had laid
before the hoose a copy of the protocol adopted by the four
Powers, namely, Great Britain, Austria, Russia. and
Prussia, respecting the number and nature of the fortresses
to be demolished, with (as we understood) the sanction of
Bigittni. In reply to his Right Hon. Friend, he had to
eay that France would not be a Frty to the negociation re-
si ecting the number and nature of the Belgian fortresses
t at were to be demolished. He admitted that the House
I not interfered with the foreign policy of the country,
end he could assure the house that his Majesty's Government
fel, the great kindness of the house in this course of conduct,
and he could assure the house that his Majesty's Govern-
meet were quite widow that, while they preserved peace,
tbey should tio so, with I strict regard to the honour of the
country. He (Lord Pslmerston) would here observe that,
ois mg to the division which would take place respecting
the Netherlands, the fortresses in question could not be
properly defended by Belgic soldiers ; so that the fortresses
would be an ineumbrance instead of an advantage to Bel-
gium. His right hon. friend expressed his regret at the
speech made by the King of the French. Of course, the
house could not expect him to offer an opinion upon a
composition over which his Majesty's government had no
coutroul. (Hear.) But he would say, with respect to Portu-
gal, that his Majesty's ministers were quite sensible of the
treaties by which this country was bound to preserve Portu-
gal from foreign aggression, and if his Majesty's govern-
event were aware that either military aid or advice were tie-
emery in support of the rights of Portugal, they would not
be slow to recommend the one, or afford the other. Nor did
tee fact of the government of Portugal not being recognised,
diminish the value of the obligation on the part of this coun-
try towards Portugal. But it was to be recollected that Don
Miguel had been guilty of conduct towards this country that
obliged us to seek satisfaction, and it was but fair to suppose
that there were grounds of justification for the conduct of the
French, in the proceeding alluded to. However, as the
papers op the subject were not yet ready, he could not
enter further into the matter ; but when the time came,
he would be ready, as would his colleagues also, to explain
and justify the conduct which they had pursued respecting'
Portugal.
Sir R. PEEL heard with great satisfaction that France
was not to be a party to the negotiation whereby these for-
tresses were to be demolished. At the same time, he re-
gretted that Holland was not to be a party to the negociation
seeing that was for the protection of Holland, and not for
menacing France that these fortresses were to be demo.
hiked. Two millions of British money were advanced for
the purpose of improving and securing Holland, as a consi-
deration for which, the King of Holland ceded to us Deme-
rara, the Cape of Good Hope, Babb* and Essequibo. Now
he (Sir R. Peel) wished to know what equivalent the King
of Holland was to have for those colonies, if the fortresses
were to be demolished ?

Lotd PALM ERSTON observed that there were three
equivalent" fur those colonies, the payment of a million of
money to Sweden, on account of the King of the Nether-
land*, other revponsibilitin which England undertook on ac-
cogent of Holland, and the support of those fortresses.
Lord MAY NA RD, as we understood, was proceeding to
remark on the speech of the King of the French, when be
was called to ceder by Sir R. Ferguson, on the ground that
there was no question before the house. To a question bi the
noble lord, _ _ _

Lord PA UM ERSTON replied that the four Powers had
voluntarily taken into consideration the propriety of demo.
la.hing the fortresses in question, because they apprehended
Crum the altered state of Belgium that these fortresses might
be converted to different purposes from those for which they
etre de.igned • at the same time he begged to say that he
was satisfied that the object of erecting these fortresses was
not to menste France, but to protect Belgium.
Sir J. DOYLE gave notice that he should move for some
papers, on a future day, respecting the relative situation be-
tween this country and Portugal. He belie►ed that the
Ambassador from this country had been, while in Portugal,
the Foreign and Home Minister there.
After a few words from Colonel EVANS and Mr. BARING,
the papers were laid on the table.
Mr. CURTEIS presented a petition from Winchelses, in
favour of Reform.

An Hon. MEstuta presented a petition from Bridport,
praying that that borough might be allowed to send two
members to patliament.
Sir J. W MASH presented a petition from Sudbury, pray-
ing that that borough migni be allowed to send two members
to parliament.
Sir O. W A RHENDER presented a petition from Chel-
sel, praying that the petitioners might be allowed to send
members to Parliament. The district in question contained
a population of 32,000 persons, 5,000 of whom were 101.
householder•, and paying assessed taxes to the extent of
26,0001. annually. If his Majesty's government were giv-
ing representatives to other large districts, they ought also to
give them to this populous and wealthy district. He should,
when the proper time came, move that one member be given
to Chelsea.

Air. HUNT begged to ask the First Lord of the Admi-
ralty a question. There were, be understood, four post-
office packets plying between Dover and Cad& He was
given to understand that to these four packets five captains
were appointed. One of these captains had lately lied, and
he wished to know if it was the intention of his Majesty's
Government to fill up that appointment ?
Sir J. GRAHAM said the appointments in question
were made by the Postmaster-Gemini, and not by the Ad.
vatralty. He should make the neceseer) inquiry on the
subject, and if the honourable member gave notice on

the subject, he would report to the House the answer of
his Noble Friend, who, he must say, had a strict regard to
economy.
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THE RETOIM Sue.
The House then resolved itself into a Committee on the
Reform Bill.
Upon the motion that each of the Boroughs in schedule B
return one Member to-that House,
ISir R. PEEL said tleit he intended to propose that, In-
stead of one Member, the boroughs mentioned- in schedule
B. should send two Members to that House. If the proposi-
don were agreed to. the boroughs would of course send two
Members to that House; but if, on the contrary, it was
lost, he should retrain from discussing the question upon
each and every borough in the schedule, and thus the time
of the house would be saved. (Hear, hear.) He begged
to call the particular attention of the house to the sub-
ject. The principal of the bill wits to destroy nomina-
tion bo:oughs, but the very fact of giving one member
to the boroughs in schedule B. shcwed that these
boroughs were not considered nomination boroughs. He
contended that it would be better to 'send two members
for a borough to that house, rather than one, and if they
acre to pay any attention to the institutions of this coun-
try, the principle of sending two members to that house
from boroughs, was that which had been acted upon ; for
out of the various boroughs in England sending members to
that house; only five of them sent one each. (Hear, bear.)
He admitted that there was &different practice in Scotland,
Wales, and Ireland; but he contended that, upon the whole,
it would be better to send two members to Parliament for a
borough rather than one, because the people might be able
to send two members, who, although they might differ
politically or otherwise, would fairly represent the views
of their consti seems to that house. He untreated all
those who were friendly to this Bill to weigh well the
reasons he wax about to adduce, and to say whether they
were worthy of consideration. They were proceeding to
a most important measure; and, assuming that the case of
Appleby, the case of Duwnton. and the cases of the other
boroughs in schedule A, were irrevocably decided, then
the vote of last night had abolished from the representation
of the country 66 boroughs. This was a great, an unpre-
cedented change, and one that altered at least one.fiftb of
the representation of the whole country. He divided Eq.
land by the Severn and the Wash, and said that the agricul-
tural districts lay on the one side, and the manufacturing
upon the other. The manufacturing districts were upon the
north of the line, and the agricultural on the south, and if
he showed that there was an unfair preponderance in favour
of the north over that of the south, he would, he thought,
have established a case on behalf of the boroughs in schedule
B. to continue to send two members. The right hon. gent.
enumerated the different counties on either side of the line
which he had drawn, and said that, of the fifty six boroughs
in schedule A. five only were north of the line, while fifty-
one were south, so that, out of the 111 members struck off,
the country south of the line would lose 101 members, while
that on the north would only lose ten. (hear, hear.) The
aggregate number of the members of which schedule B.
would deprive the northern part of the line was 16, while the
southern would lose 41. This arrangement, he contended,
was most unjust towards the agricultural interests, and
cone of the constructive clauses of the bill made up for
this inequality. In schedule C there were 12 towns which
were to be enfranchised, and every one of these towns
were on the northern side of the line. Again, in schedule
D there were 26 new places which were in future to re-
turn one member each, and of these six only were on
the southern part of the line, so that the aggregate profit
and loss would be, that the wrath would lose 134 mem-
bers, while the northern would gain 18. Such an ar-
rangement was giving an unfair counterpoise to the ma.
=km-wring districts, and was placing the agricultural in.
tercets in a very unfavourable position. He alluded to
the easiness with which the manufacturing interests could
combine together, and the influence of the press over
that class of persons to whom the elective franchise was to be
extended on the northern side of the line. He contended
that the inhabitants of small towns, though not so enlightened,
were still better, and more independent electors, than those
of large towns. The bill, be was satisfied, would shut out
men of retiring habits, such men as Mr. Sturges Bourne, and
other equally useful members whom he could name, from the
house, to the great prejudice of the country. After some
further observations upon the effect of the schedule, the right
hon. baronet implored the house not to carry the system of
destruction further than was absolutely necessary ; for, be
would ask, was the constitution so radically bad as to require
the extent of the changes intended to be effected by this bill?
The right hon. gentleman alluded to Sir J. Mackintosh's
History of England, and quoted a passage from that work,
to show the character of the British Constitution, and that
its chief excellence was attributable to its ancient usages and
customs. He (Sir R. Peel) therefore hoped that they would
be cautious how they did away with the Constitution which
had so long given happiness and prosperity to this country.
(Loud cheers)
Mr. BERNAL (the Chairman) observed, that the
amendment proposed by the right boo. baronet was then
superfluous.
Sir ROBERT PEEL observed, that his intention was,
that the amendment should stand part of the clause in
the bill
Lord J. RUSSELL thought the argument of the right
hon. gentleman was not by any means conclusive against the
measure. The noble lord referred to the Unions with Scotland
and Ireland, and said that those Unions had effected changes
Ithough certainly not such extensive changes as those intended
to be effected by the present measure. Many places in
Scotland and Ireland, which, before the Union, sent two
' members to Parliament, after that period only sent one;
and the contests where one member only was sent was gene-
rally greater than those which took place in the places al-
lowed to send two. The right honourable gentleman bad ac.
Bused the framers of the measure of partiality to the districts
to the north of the line which he had drawn' and to make out
' his case, had gone into an arithmetical calculation. But
this calculation was fallacious, for although it was true that
the southern districts would be deprived of those boroughs
which represented the colonial and commercial interests, yet
due attention to the interests of the agricultural ditricts had
been paid, by adding to the several counties two more mem-
bers each. Cornwall was to retain 12 members, and other
counties would also have &strong augmentation to their re-
presentation, so that although a symmetrical line had not
been drawn, no interest had been forgotten or favoured.
They bad not carried the destruction of boroughs further
than was absolutely necessary, and this would appear from
the fact of their having permitted to remain 30 boroughs,
through the medium of which persons who served the coun-
try in her financial or political concerns, might obtain ad-
mission to that House. The noble lord could not see why
Mr. Sturges Bourne, or other gentlemen of retiring habits,
should not under the new system seek the suffrages of the
electors of Leamington, and other places of that description.
Sir R. PEEL asked whether the speech of the noble
lord could be considered as an answer to his ? It was the
difficulty of obtaining the suffrage of the electors of Lea.
=and such places, by gentlemen of retiring habits,
induced him to move that the boroughs in Schedule
B, should be allowed still to return two members.
Lord J. RUSSELL replied, that thirty boroughs, which
would return sixty members, were, he conceived, quite
enough for gentlemen of retiring habits.
Mr. SADLER contended that representation ought to
proceed upon principles of property and not of population,
and that those who contributed most to the taxes and bur-
dens of the country, were entitled to the largest share in the
representation. In framing this bill, he thought that regard
ought to have been paid to this scale. He alluded to the
changes effected by Oliver Cromwell, in his scheme of re-
presentation, but observed that these changes proceeded
upon principles of property. He denied that an equal dis-
tribution of county members had been made, and said that
the voice of the majority alone ought not to prevail, to the
manifest injury of the minority. Those on that side of the
house bad ban charged with delay; he denied the charge.—
Although he and otner hon. members had wished to speak
to the principle of the measure. no opportunity of doing so
had been afforded to them.—(Hear, hear.) the honoura-
ble gentleman then alluded to the venerable character of
the Constitution, and the blessings it bad for so many ages
conferred upon the country, and concluded by declaring that
the work of disfranchisement was an immeasureable wrong,
for, by the law of the land, a franchise was property, because
the law said that depriving a man of his franchise, was de-
priving him of his goods and chattels. He implored the
Committee to give to every man that degree of influence to
which his property entitled him, and be gave notice that it
was his intention to bring under the consideration of the
Committee important questions connected with the details of
this BilL
Mr. D. BROWNE said that, as an Irish member, he
would have risen to speak upon the English reform bill,
bad it trot been for what had passed last night. The hem
member here alluded to the case of Baltaab, which had been
sold for 12,0001. and contended, hen this and other facts,
which had transpired, that the bermigh system was radically
bad, and ought to have been swept away altogether. He

thought the line of population ought to have been much
higher, and foe his part he should wish to see the whole of
the boroughs in schedule B, transferred into schedule A.
Hs would have preferred a much larger measure of reform,
but still be would find no fault with ministers, because he
believed they had done as much as it was in their power
to do.
Mr. WASON said that It would be absurd to imagine
that a reformed Parliament would treat schedule B. us per-
manent measure. A reformed Parliament would most pro-
bably deal similar destruction towards the boroughs in ache.
dole B, that the house had exercised over those in schedule
A. Instead, therefore, of allowing the boroughs In schedule
B. to return one member each, he would suggest whether it
would not be better to render them tributary, and that they
should in future be represented by 18 or 19 members, in-
stead of the number proposed to be given them.
Sir T. FREMANTLE observed that the vote of last
night had lopped off one hundred and eleven members from
the representation. That was the precise number to be sup-
plied, and he consequently could not perceive either the ad-
vantage or the justice of further disfranchisement. He
thought that the new enfranchisement. might take place
without disturbing the system with respect to the boroughs
included in schedule B. The proposition of the hon. gen-
tleman who had last sat down for destroying the representa-
tion of those boroughs totally,would not, he hoped, be agreed
so by the house, for he could not understand the principle
upon which these boroughs were to be deprived of one of
their members. .

Dlr. WASON explained that his object was to unite the
boroughs, so as that they should all be represented by eigh-
teen or nineteen members. _ _

An Hon. MEMBER, whose name could not be ascer-
tained, said that the boroughs in schedule B. would lose one
manlier upon the same principles identically as those in
schedule A. had been attVanchised. He entirely approved
wf the plan laid down by ministers in their measure, and
hoped it would be adopted.
Lord RASTNOR wished to avoid going into the prin-
ciple of the bill. lie was for a long time opposed to any
measure of the kind, but before the Ministers came into
power, he had changed his opinion. lie was not prepared
to approve of so extensive a measure; the change proposed
was too great. He would support the amendment, believing
that the equilibrium and balance of the constitution would
be kept up by the adoption of it. The various interests
would have then a better chance of being represented.
11r. C. PELHA M spoke in favour of the amendment,
which he considered calculated to secure a portion of the
rights of Englishmen, which the bill intended to destroy.
The gallery was then cleared for a division, when there
appeared for the
Original motion
For the amendment

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It was then moved that the borough of Aldboruugh stand
part of schedule B.
Mr. SADLER said, all he could do was to protest
against the proceeding about to be adopted. He denied
that it was a nomination borough, as it had been frequently
contested. The constituency of the borough was indepen-
dent and respectable. The borough had the honour to re-
turn the great Earl of Chatham, when he could not obtain
a more independent constituency. He should oppose the
partial disfranchisement of the borough.
Mr. DUNCO3IBE said that he was "at a loss to know
where the respectable constituency was to be found in Ald-
borough, except the hon. member alluded to the Duke of
Newcastle. He would move for the transfer of the borough
to schedule A (cheers), as it was a nomination borough,
which the hon. baronet, the member for Westminster, could
prove. The continuation of the existence of the borough
would tend to deprive the freeholders of a vote for the county
for the sake of a stinking rotten borough (laughter). He
moved that the borough of Aldbotough be included in ache.
dule A (immense sheeting).
Mr. SADLER said that the present electors had long ex-
ercised their rights for the benefit of the public. He thought
it was not a proper course to allude to a circumstance that
took place when the noble duke who had an influence in the
borough was only seven years of age. Such a course was not
generous or fair.
Lord STORMONT, as the quondram member for Aid-
borough, begged to state that the constituency was most in.
dependent and respectable; as a proof, the boo. member's
brother was one of the constituents.

Mr. DUNCOMBE-.I say he is not. (Laughter.)
Lord STORMONT said that he was a constituent, for
he gave him his vote. (Cheers.) He hoped the hon. mem-
ber did not include Ms brother in the denunciation against the
respectatability of the constituency. (Great laughter.) He
considered that the town of Hertford, which the boo. mem-
ber represented, was a scene of more corruption than ever
Aldborough exhibited. (Hear.) He had represented that
borough, and assured the Committee that his election never
was attended with expense. He thought the attack of the
boo. member upon the constituency of Aldborough most un-
justifiable.
Mr. DUNCOMBE said that the ruling passion was so
strong among some ache borougbmongers, that they lost all
temper, and descended to personalities. (Hear.) lie would
repeat the observation that there was only one constituent in
the borough, and that was the Duke of Newcastle. lie did
not consider there was any superiority in the Duke of New.
castle's nominees over the independent Members returned
from places where there was an independent, free, and
honest constituency. (Cheers.) The country demanded
in a voice of thunder she abolition of those abuses. (Cheers.)
Mr. N. CALVERT said that be had represented Ald-
borough, and had never bribed any party to procure his re-
turn. (Cheers.)
Sir C. WETHERELL said that as the Waugh of Bo-
roughbridge was alluded to, and as he sat foe that borough,
he assured the House that he never was put to greater ex-
pense than to give a dinner after the election, which did not
exceed 130 L which was considerably less than the expense
of the dinners given by the Hon. Member to his constituents
at Hertford (cheers). He considered that the Hon. Mem.
bar was not justified in libelling the constituency of Aldbo.
rough. He considered the reference to the case of Borough.
bridge very injudicious and uncalled for. lie could not avoid
refuting the unfounded calumny heaped upon the character
of a most amiable nobleman, who was connected with the
borough, who was not accountable for any act that took
place during his minority. Those attacks were unfair, and
ought not to be so cheered and applauded by the Cavern.
ment (hear.)
Lord ALTHORP regretted the departure from the point
under discussion. His hon. friend was too late to move that
the borough of Aldborough be included in schedule A.
IThat clause was disposed of, but the bon. member would
have an opportunity to do so in a future age of the bill.
A Member defended the town of Hertford from the attack
upon the constituency of that town.
Mr. PRAED deprecated the many instances of reckless
jocularity. (Hear, hear.)
After some further remarks from Mr. Attwood, Lord
Althorp and Mr. Stanley, Mr. Duncombe withdrew his
amendment, and the resolution was agreed to.
The borough of Amersham was added to schedule B.

It sou then moved that the borough of Arundel stand part
of schedule B.
Mr. Alderman ATKINS said that the borough of Arun-
del could not be considered a nomination borough in any
shape tot form. It contained 469 independent resident
voters, who voted by scot and lot. He felt it his duty to
take the sense of the House on the point, unless the noble
Lord would consent to remove it from schedule B.
An hon. biro's& said that as be was returned for the
borough of Arundel, he felt it a duty which he owed to the
country to vote for the partial disfranchisement of the
borough.
Lord .1. RUSSELL could see no reason why Arundel
should be exempted from the rule laid down.
The motion was then agreed to.
It was then moved that the borough of Ashburton stand
part of schedule B.
Mr. POYNTZ said that he felt bound to bring the case
of this borough before the committee. The hon. member
then read the memorial presented to the government by the
constituents of Ashburton, which stated that, in 1821, the
population was 3,400, and that it contained 396 inhabited
and 16 uninhabited ; that in 1831, the population
was 4,100, and that the town had increased in respectability
and wealth. The borough be considered entitled to the
consideration of the Committee as one that ought to retain
its two
Colonel
TORRENS said that Ashburton was not a no-
=illation borough. When the Parliament was dissolved,
tlt, approved ol she pounds upon which that dissolution
bad talten place, and at a public sasedas they expressed
ministers.
their approval of the oakum introdwasd by lib Majesty's
Thep deo Imbed aa laftsmisit whom% to
stand for the bum* So syssesot amtimmes,aud who
out'des seat In beam Frees due Autism et the
the respettability ef the wariessagy, the bursae.
ing wealth et the inhabitants he somilessi it justly en..
Odd to rods the privileges it at prom arjoed.
lard J. RUSSELL dM not mothat there were safident
grounds fee alkyl% it to mum two members. Eva add.

ing the population of the other parishes, to which the
borough extended, it fell short of 4,000 inhabitants.
Colonel SIBTHORPE observed that this showed the in-
justice and absurdity of making the census of 1821 the basis
for disfranchisement.
After a few desultory observations, the question that
Ashburton do stand part of Schedule B, was put and
carried.
On the question that the borough of Bodmin do stand
part of Schedule B,
Mr. D. GILBERT indulged in a eulogy on the Electors
of that Borough, which he said was rapidly increasing in
population. The motion was then carried.
On the motion that the borough of Bridport stand part
of the bill,
Mr. H. ST. PAUL observed that the population of that
borough amounted to 3,742 in 1821. The population of
' that part of the town which was not included in the borough
was about 750, so that the population of the entire town in
1821 exceeded 4000. Under such circumstances, he sub.
mitred to the honesty and candour of the house whether this
borough should be deprived of any of its members.
Mr. WARBURTON had inquired into the circum-
stances attending this borough. He would admit that a
portion of a parish not included in the borough formed a
part of the town, but even if that portion was added to the
population of the borough, it would not exceed 3,942.
Sir E. SUDDEN had reason to complain that the noble
lord (Russell) bad assigned no adequate reason for partially
disfranchising the boroughs in schedule B. This was the
proper time to consider to what extent the constituency of
England was to be cut down. He did not see on what
principle Truro was to be preserved, and Bridport deprived
of one of its members, for it would be necessary to take In
some of the rural population to snake up a constituency for
Truro ; whereas .here was a sufficient population in the town
of Bridport to enable it to retain its two members according
to the principle of the bill. The hon. and learned gentleman
then went over the statement made by Mr. St. Paul, respect.
in g the population of the town of Bridport. A more pow-
erful case than this, he observed, had not come before the
house in any of the schedules. On such ground he submit-
ted that two members should be retained, according to the
principle of the bill.
Lord J. RUSSELL observed that an exception was cer-
tainly made in favour of Truro, whereby it was removed from
the schedule in which it was originally placed; but it was
found that that concession would lead to difficulties. The
fact was that the population of the adjoining parish had been
included under the name of Truro, though it did not belong
to the borough ; but that was not the case with Bridport.—
The parish of Hanningtoq was never considered a part of that
borough. Under these circumstances, he saw no reason for
departing from the course which ministers laid down.
Lord STORMONT considered the circumstances relat-
ing to Bridport to be precisely similar to those of Wood.
stock.

The question was then put, and the gallery ordered to be
cleared; but the motion was carried without a division.
.. .

The borongb of Buckingham was then half-disfranchised,
without an observation.

On the motion that the borough of Chippenham form
part of Schedule B.
Captain BOLDERO was ready to prove that this borough
contained a population of 4,411 in 1821, and 6110 houses.
He had seen the books. and would establish this fact.
Under such circumstances. he maintained that it should re-
tain its two members.

Mr. STANLEY could see no reason for taking this bo-
rough out of the schedule in which it was placed.
Mr. SADLER thought that this borough, which had been
represented by the father of the constitution about to be de-
sttoyed, ought not to be disturbed.
Mr. G. BANKS could not think the House was acting
justly in proceeding upon a return which could be proved to
be incorrect.
Sir R. PEEL once having represented this borough, nit- 1
turally felt interested in its fate. He was sensible of the in-
convenience of the comae they were pursuing, when in fact
the subject ought to be enquired into by a Select Committee.
Mr. PUSEY thought the subject ought to be submitted
to a Committee upstairs.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could not
see huw the exact population of 1821 was susceptible of
proof. The return allowed an increase from 1811, and the
diminution of the houses might easily be accounted for.
Mr. SANDFORD contended that the return of 1821
ought not to be deputed from.
Sir C WETHERELL referred to the discrepancy in the
returns, and said, that if justice were refused there, they
should seek it in that part of the legislature which was both
a legislative and a judicial body. (Hear.)
After some further observations from Lord Althea?, Sir
R. Peel, Mr. C. Wynn, Lord Milton, Sir H. Harding.,
Capt. Boldero, Mr. Boat, Mr. Gisborce, Mr. D. W. Her-
Ivey, and Mr. Motherly,
The house divided, when the numbers were,
For the motion ... 281
For the amendment ... .. 181

Majority for ministers .. 70
The other orders of the day were then disposed of ; and
the house adjourned at half-past two o'clock this morning.

LIST of MEMBERS who VOTED for the DIS-
FRANCHISEMENT of the Borough of SAINT
GER MAINS-260. July 26.
Atcheson, Lord Ferguson' General
Adam, C. Fitzroy, Colonel
Adeaoe, H. J. Fitzroy, Lord J.
Altborp, Viscount Foley, J. H.
Astky, Sir J. D. Foley, Hon. T. H.
Adlerley, Arthur Folke*, Sir W. Bart.
Bainbridge, Edward T. Fos, Colonel
Barham, J. French, A.
Bering. Sir T. Gilion, W. D.
Baring, F. T. Gisborne, T.
Barnett, C. J. Graham, Right Hon. Sir J.
Barnum 8. A. Graham, Sir S. Bart.
Belfast, Lord Grant, Right Hon. C.
&nett, J. Grant, Right Hon. R.
Berkeley, Captain Grattan, J.
Biddulph, R. M. Greene, T.
Blake, Sir R. Grosvenor, Right His. R.
&entire, W. Guise, Sir B. W.
Blankoey, W. Gurney. R. H.
Blount, Sir C Bart. Hawkins, H.
Bodkin, J. J. Handley, W. F.
Bouverle. Hon D. P. Harcourt, G. V.
Bouverie, P. P. Harty, Sir R.
Boyle, 800. J. Harvey, D. W.
Brahman. Lord Heathcote, Sir G.
Brayen, T. Heywood, B.
Briscoe, J. J. Hill, Lord A.
Brougham, W. Hill, Lord G.
Brougham, J. Hoblsouse, J. C.
Browne, J. Hodges, T. L.
Bulkeley, Sir R. Horne, Sir W.
Buller, J. Hort, Sir W. Bart.
Bulwer, H. L. Hoskins, K.
Banbury, Sir H. Howard, P. H.
Burdett, Sir F. Howard, B.
Burton, H. Howick, Viscount
Huston, Thomas F. Hudson, T.
Dyng. George HoSties, 3.
Calcraft, G. Hogan, W. H.
Callaghan. D. Hughes, Colonel
Calvert, C. Hume, J.
Calvert, Nicholson Hunt, H.
CaUay, T. Ingleby, Sir W.
Outlining, Sir S. Innis, Sir H. Bart.
Carter, J. B. James. W.
Cavendish, W. Jeffery, Francis
Chaytor, W. R. Jeplmon, C. D. 0.
Chichester, Sir A. Bart Jerninglam, Hon. H.
Clive, Edward B. Jobwatose. J.
Oidock, S. Minetrose, Sir J.
Crampton, P. C. Jana--., J. H.
Creevey, T. Romp, T. B.
Cuntiffe, 0. lima.,T. F.
Currie, J. lima. Lord
Curteis, H. B. lON, B. B.
Dawson, A. Dig, Hon. R.
Denison, W. J. illiikt. H. H.
Denman, Sir T. Mum Hon. J. H.
•• J.

Dixon, .1. gnu; Han James
Deyk, Sir J. N. Labosebere, H.
Duneombe, T. S. Lambert, J. 8.
Duals., T. Lambert, H.
Modal, Han. J. C. Lawley, F.
panda. Hon. Sir R. Leader, N. P.
BAUM Z. Lae, 1 11.
NEU, Wean Laker% C. S.
&nab, lit. Imam Ss C.
Una. Cel. de Lacy Lama, Lad W.
Evans, W. B. Levars, Lard J. G.
Evans, W. Loom Lord 11.
Swart, W. Laws 3. L.
Vergasenn, R. Ilidetes, N. J.

Lloyd, Sir IL P. Roofer. J. B.
Loch, James Ross, 11.
Lyon, D. Rumbold, C. E
Moberly, W. Russell, Lord J.
Moberly, J. Rutheen, E. S.
Macaulay. T. B. Sandford, C. A.
Macdonald, Olr J. Scott, Sir E. D.
Macintosh, Right Hon. Sir J. Sebright, Sir J. Bart,
Macnamara, W. Skipwith, Sir O. Dirt.
Mangles, J. Marley, R. A.
Marjaibanks, S. Smith, J. A.
Marshall, W. Smith, John
Martin, J. Smith, R. V.
Mayhew, W. Smith, G. R.
Milbank, M. Stanhope, Captain
Mildmay, P. Stanley, J.
Mills, J. Stanley, Right lien I: :;,
Moreton. Hon H. Stanley. Lord
Morpeth, Lord Stewart, Sir M. S.
Morrison, J. Stewart, Charles
Mostyn, E. L. Stewart, P. 'M.
Mullins, F. Strickland, G.
Newark, Lord Strutt, E.
Newport, Sir J. Stuart, Lord P. J.
Noel, Sir G. Tennyson, C.
North, F. Thicknesse, IL
Norton, C. F. Thompson, W.
Nowell, A. Thomson, Right lion (' p
Nugent, Lord Tbrockmorton, It. G
O'Connell, D. Tomes, J.
O'Connell, M. Tarns, Colonel It.
O'Grady, S. Townshend, Lord C.
O'Neill, Hon General Trail, George
Ord, W. Trowbridge, Sir C.
Paget, Sir C. Tynte, C. K.
Paget, T. Tyrell, C.
Palmer, General Venables, W.
Parnell, Right Hon. Sir H. Vert, J. H.
Payne, Sir P. But. Vernon, Hon. G. J.
Pendarves, E. W. Villiers, F.
Penlease, J. S. Vincent, Sir F.
Penrhyn, B. Waitbman, R.
Perrin, L. Walker, C. A.
Petit, Louis H. Warburton, H.
Petre, Hon. R. Warre, J. A.
Philipps, Sir R. Wilson, W. R.
PhilUpps, C. M. Watson, Hon. B.
Phillips, G. R. Webb, Colonel E.
Polhill, F. Westenra, Hon H.
Ponsonby, Hon. W. Whitbread. W. H.
Ponsonby. Hon. G. Mks, John
Power, R. Williams, Sir J.
Poynts, W. S. Williamson, Sir H.
Price, Sir R. Winnington, Sir T.
Protberoe, E. Wood, M.
Pryse, P. Wood, J.
Ramsbottom, J. Wood, C.
Rider, T. Wrottesley, Sir J.
Roberts, A. W. Young, John
Robinson. Sir G. TILISR.
Robinson, G. R. Rice, Hon. T. S.
PAIRED OFF in FAVOUR on DIVISION .)-
ST. GERMAINS.
Anson, Sir George Godson, R.
Anson, Hen. George Grosvenor, Hon R.
Belgrsve, Lord Heron, Si R.
Bernard, T. Hutchinson, J. H.
Browniow, C. Loch, John
Byng, George S. Lusbington, Dr. S.
Coke, Thomas W. Morrison, John
Maze, Hon J. C. Shlel, Richard L.
Dnocannon, Viscount Stewart, Pat.
Easthope, J. Tavistock, Marquis of
Ebrington, Viscount Waterpark, Lord
Fordwich, Lord White, S.
Foster, James Williams, John
ABSENT from the DIVISION on ST. GERMANS
Agnew, Sit A. Owen, Sir J.
%Me, J. C. Ozntantown, Lord
Beaumont, T. W. Pepys, Charles
Blount, C. Ramsden, J. C.
Campbell, John Ridley, Sir M. W.
Cavendish, Lord G. Russell, Lord W.
Cavendish, Henry Schonswar, G. g
Cavendish, Charles Sinclair, George
bleksster, Sir A. Smith, Hon R.
Davks, Colonel Spence, G.
Ferguson, Cutler Surrey. Lord
Ferguson, Sir R. Thompson, P. B.
Fitzgibbon, Hon IL Tuftoo, Hoehn.
' Knight, Robert Vernon, Hon G.
Lumley, J. S. Welledey, W. L.
Martin, Sir Byam White, Colonel H.
Monk, Hon. W. R. Wilde. Servant
FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE.
.—,,,,—___
PRIVATE CORRESPONDENCE.

PARIS, Jun,
TO THE EDITOR OF THE STAR.
SlR,—Great opposition is expected in the
Chambers respecting the nomination of the Pre.
sident ; and it is generally believed that M. Perie:
will retire, should his rival M. Lafitte be appointed.
Scarcely has the Chamber assembled when dissen-
lion begins to prevail.
The first sitting of the Chamber of Peers was
marked by rather a curious event: the reproduc-
tion of the Austrian flags sent to the Senate by
Napoleon, after the taking of Ulm, was a circum-
stance as unexpected as singular, and caused less
enthusiasm' than surprise—every one was asto-
nished, above all at the moment chosen, for such
a theatrical clap-trap.
After fifteen years neglect, and a full year after
the fall of the Bourbons, M. Simonville appearing
all of a sudden at the head of fifty flags taken
formerly from the enemy, was a sight sufficiently
curious to attract great attention ; but the dis-
course which followed it, or rather which accom-
panied this display, has more especially opened a
vast field for conjecture. M. Simonville, who is
the grand referendary of the Chamber of Peers.
excused himself for not having followed the dic-
tates of his inclination some months sooner; he
was prevented alone by an apprehension of ex-
citing intemperate ardour, and awaking rival sus-
ceptibilities; but now, added he, " these trophies
will be at once some recompence for past neglect of
public feeling, and a lesson for the future !"
The Duke of Orleans appeared for the first time
at the tribune, and spoke with great dignity ; and
in a discourse worthy of a young soldier and 3
young citizen, be announced that he should always
be ready to draw his sword, and combat for the
support of the best interests of France, and the
national honour and sympathies.
Great preparations are still in progress for the
celebration of the " three glorious days," which
commence to-morrow at six o'clock. Funeral ser-
vices are to take place in all the churches, to the
memory of those who fell in the sanguinary com-
bat of this time twelve months. The National
Guards are ordered to appear with a crape round
the arm; and many persons among the more vio-
lent speak of covering the tri-colour cockade with
crape—to signify that the REVOLUTION 14 i
mourning ! Every thing promises, at the same
time, that the whole affair will go off quietly. Ilk
French, as you know, are easily amused; but it
requires a constant succession of amusements to
keep them from thinking ; for when there is nothing
in the wind, they will think of, and plot mischief,
to keep their hands in. In baste I forward you
the Journals ; and I remain,Your's obeiently,
EXTRACTS PROM THE JOURNALS.
A report was spread to-day of the departure M.
M. Posse di Borgo. This news is incorrect, as
M. Pogo di Borgo has issued again invitations for
neat week.—Le Temps.
It is probable that M. Tallepand will arrive at
Paris one of these days. The King, who held

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personally to the old diplomatist, wishes to place
him as Minister of Foreign Affairs, to repair the
follies of M. Sebastiani. M. Bourjon, who has
alp, ays been very forward in the confidence of the
P:ince, since 1801, his Secretary, has just left
f,,r London with confidential dispatches on this sub-
rt.—Journal du Havre.
A certain number of Frenchmen, partisans of
Ow fallen dynasty, are at Nice. A telegraphic
iispatch arrived this morning, announces that the
Sardinian authorities have just given them the
order to quit that city. Messrs. Blacas and Conny
left on the 19th to go to Genoa : Messrs. Delavau,
Berthiu, Boisrichard, Feuillant, and some others,
:rave also received the order to remove from Nice.
They would not permit the Duchess of Berry to
,rolong her sojourn at Genoa. She will be at
`'isa by this time.—Messager.
A great number of arrests have been made in
,he department of the west. It is stated that the
nelober of Swiss at this moment in the hands of
the police, amount to 50. Several important per-
innages are found gravely compromised. We
cannot fail of soon having news of a positive nature
ihnut the Carlist conspiracy, of which it appears
than the Duchess of Berry has become the life and
Patriote de l'Oust.

The Gazette dc Zurich announces that, very
ir to the frontier of the Canton of Tessin, the
Austrians will establish a camp of 40,000 men, and
pieces of cannon.— Gazette Universelle.
VIENNA, JULY 15.—The Supreme Council of
',lar has just ordained the formation of a second
,unitary cordon in Hungary: several battalions
be employed in this cordon. The quarantine
,}f Hungary, at Vienna, is of 10 days for persons,
Ind 20 days for merchandize. We learn from
Semlin that the Grand Signior is received with
much enthusiasm in the provinces, and that his
journey will contribute much to calm all minds. It
is believed that his Highness will go to Schumla
t inspect that place.—Gazette d'Augsboury.
The sitting of the Chamber of Peers had in it
yesterday, something of a military spectacle. The
flip of Austria, the warlike discourse of M. de
Simonyille—a reply equally chivalrous from the
Duke of Orleans—all were offerings to national
pride. This anxiously prepared inauguration—
these mock improvisatorial lessons, learnt by heart
—these coaxing submissions to the public opinion
of the French people—all these manoeuvres are
'nit feeble means of diverting the public from
exacting the abolition of an hereditary peerage.
The peerage has become a supplicant to glory ;
but it was a private hearing from the mouth of an
.Id man of seventy-six years of age. The enemies
of France will be in no terror—and if France ap-
prove the little drama of I‘l. de Simonville, as
well got up, she will see also that it should have no
serious effect on public sentiment.
LIttLE MURDERS.—The news from Poland re-
vels ed by the ordinary way is less grievous than
as expected ; the Russian army which has passed
tb Vistula is not so numerous as was at first said,
the chances for the battle which is preparing
o-c then less unfavourable to the Poles. A sad
,rent has taken place. General Gielgud, who bad
Jenianded an asylum upon the Prussian territory,
has been killed by a pistol shot from the hand of
vile of his officers, at the moment when his corps
of the army had been disarmed near Tilsit. He
was accused, in his corps, of having betrayed the
nationll cause, or at least of haring failed in ca-
pacity to support it. We are far from wishing to
Tread this accusation ; but it is certain that he
had formed, for a long time, a party to place the
Grand Duke Constantine upon the Throne,
tad place the baton of Constable of the King-
dom into the hands of Field Marshal Die-
.,itsch. We are assured that this plot had
been concocted at Saint Petersburgh in the man-
ner of that of Suwaroff, and that the sangui-
nary orders of the Emperor Nicholas had been
modified several times by Diebitach—thanks to
the hope which he had conceived of succeeding by
other ways. It was on the discovery of this pro-
ject, revealed a short time since to the Russian
Cabinet, that was owing the sudden death of Die-
bitsch, whose days were terminated by poison ;
and those of the Grand Duke are generally said to
have been ended by a pistol shot when in his bath.
They spoke, a few days since, of the death of his
Wife, the Princess Locwitz, who would not survive
him, like the Empress Alexiewna, who soon joined
the tomb of the Emperor Alexander. The cause
of Poland will not suffer by all these changes.—
Le Temps.
The passage of the Vistula at Plosk by the
•:r and Russian army, announced yesterday in a
,e,sit;ve manner by the German Journals, is not
confirmed by the news arrived to-day. It appearr,
On the contrary, that the Russians had not achieved
t!.e bridge which they began to construct at Plosk,
and that they had removed from that city, either
to escape the ravages of the cholera morbus, or
from a new plan of operation. They have tit).
preached the Prussian frontier, and count upon
passing the Vistula at Nisiewa. This position will
be more advantageous to the army, since the Prus-
sian magazines and arsenals will be open to it, and
even the boats arrive from Thorn to facilitate its
passage. It is believed that the Generalissimo
'kizynecki, by establishing his head-quarters at
Nlodlin, proposed, in case the Russians should
effect their passage at Plink, to allow a part of
that army to pass and attack in force that which
would remain upon the right bank.
The late movement of the Russian army will
bring about other combinations. It results, how-
ever, from the orders of the Generalissimo, that his
project is not to cover Warsaw, which he believed
to have left in a sufficient state of defence ; but
that he proposes to act in full liberty upon the
:inks or the rears of the Russian army, having
upon the Vistula a passage assured, which will per-
:nit him to carry at will his forces upon the two
banks of that river. The news arrived to-day an-
nounces that Count Pahlen has already passed
the Vistula at the head of 20,000 Russians.
The German Journals contain no detail upon the
defeat of General Gielgud ; one alone appears to
confirm it, by announcing that General Chlapowski
is with the Polish corps, which has demanded to
rake refuge upon the Prussian territory.— Courrier
runcais.

BRUSSELS PAPERS RECEIVED THIS DAY.

from the ilfinifeur Belga, July 23.—The Dutch jour.
1,41 s contain the answer of the Minister of Foreign Affairs
tA the King of Holland, containing his Majesty's refusal to
agree to the preliminaries of peace. It is observed that the
document is dated July 12, which was before the departure
01 Kin: Leopold for Belgium. It cannot be dissembled

that King William fears war, but he thought that by me
name he might hinder our King from coming among us.
July 24. Yesterday, at three o'Clock, the King gave a pri-
vate audience to a deputation horn the town of Verniers. His
Majesty had a long conversation with it, and the members
withdrew, satisfied with the interest whit* the King mani-
fested in the state of the manufactures of that town.

The King yesterday went on foot to visit Baron de Chokier
accompanied by two officers. As be passed without osten-
tation among the groups that were formed on the way, be
had opportunities of observing the affection that inspires the
brave nation, which expects from him only happiness and
prosperity. As he appeared, every body uncovered, and
behaved with that decorum which characterises the Belgic
people.

General Ballard arrived at Brussels yesterday, and waited
on the King in the evening. Dl. Abercrombie arrived yes-
terday at Brands, on his way to Berlin, where he is ap-
pointed Secretary of Legation.

JULY 25...—Remarks on the Speech of the King of the
French :

It is a principle in representative governments, that the
speeches from the throne are the work of the ministers;
and it is without falling in the respect due to our own great
personages, whose sentiments towards Belgium cannot be
suspected, that we may express our opinion of the act by
which the head of the French Government has just opened
the Chambers.

" The Bing of the Belgians will not make part of the
Oenuan Confederation. The fortresses erected to menace

France, and not to protect Belgium, will be demolished."

There are two wishes which might be expressed without a
violation of truth or propriety; but it was wrong to give to
neither the form of decisions already taken.

The King of the Belgians, in that quality, will not
make part of the German Confederation ; but If it is im-
I possible to disengage Luxemburg from the Confederation,
he may, on account of that Province, 'enter into the
union : this is a delicate question, of which we can only
speak with reserve:. But, whatever the wishes of France
may be on this subject, it appertains especially to
the legislative power in Belgium, which would be called
upon to modify the Constitution, and to the Diet ht Frank-
fort which would be called upon to modify the statutes of
the Confederation. The King of the Belgians is in this
respect in the same situation as the King of the Netherlands
was before the revolution, which has reduced Holland to its,
ancient limits. William I. was a member of the German

Confederation on account of one Province, not of the whole
kingdom. The question for the Belgians is not whether
Luxemburg shall be retained, but whether it shall be dis-
engaged from the German Confederation, in this we wish
that our interests may agree with those of France. The
fortresses with which Belgium is covered belong to
us as much as the ground on which they stand ; If they
did not exist, no Belgian would think of erecting them ;
but, whatever be the influence to which they owe their ex-
istence, they are there, and their preservation would be a
question of honour for Belgium rather than of utility. In
1815, France was obliged by the conquest to dismantle some
of its fortresses; and It recollects it with regret. Has Bel-
gium been conquered in 1831, and who were its conquerors ?

Undoubtedly, if Belgium feels that the keeping up of
these fortresses exceeds its resources it may demolish some
of them, but it will take this resolution itself. This mess.
sure of internal economy will be wise, if our external
security is not impaired by it. The relations into
which we shall, enter with France will, it is hoped,
be such that it may, without endangering our in..
dependence, diminish the number of our frontier for-
tresses. If France wish the demolition of some of our for.
tresses, it will be easy for it to obtain this result by giving
by treaties and alliances special guarantees to Belgium or
its dynasty.

The Belgian Congress has accepted the articles of the pre-
liminaries of peace. They contain all the conditions of the
political existence of the new Bingdon. The acceptance of
the Congress preceded the arrival of King Leopold: this is
with respect to him, a fact accomplished and anterior to his
inauguration. Be would be wanting to the country and
himself if he supposed any decisions but those which
Bow from the preliminaries of peace, or which
may result from subsequent treaties fully agreed to. No
official proposal relative to the fortresses has been made to
the Belgic Government, and it would not assent to propo-
sals of the kind otherwise than according to the forms of the
constitution, and so far as the honour and the interests of the
country permit.

M. S. V. de Weyer, Envoy Extraordinary and Minister
Plenipotentiary of Belgium to his Britannic Majesty, set out
for London last night ; he is the bearer of the autograph
letter by which Leopold I. notifies his accession to the King
of Great Britain. M. Wallas accompanies M. V. de Weyer,
as secretary of legation.

General BeHind dined with the King yesterday.
M. de Hon is confirmed by the King as Envoy Extraor-
dinary and Minister Plenipotentiary to the Court of France.
He set out for Paris this afternoon, with the aurograph lct..
ter by which the King notifies his accession to Louis Philip.

JULY 26.—The King has sent the sum of 30,000 florins
from his privy purse to the committee of rewards, to be dis-
tributed among the citizens wounded in September, and to the
widows and orphans of those who felL

The King has also sent 1,600 florins to Madame Easels-
pach Laririere, in expectation of a proposal to be made to
the Chambers to grant a pension as a recompense for the
services rendered by her husband.

The King is going to maim a tour through the provinces ;
the following is the itinerary :

JULY 28.—The Bing leaves Brussels, breakfasts at Ma-
nna, and ships at Antwerp.

JULY 29--Review of the army of the Scheldt.
JULY 50.—Departs for Antwerp, and goes by Moline',
Louvain, and Feriement, to Songres.

31—Review of the army of the Meuse.
Atm. I—Leaves &ogres, and goes to Liege.

2—From Liege to Verviera.
3—From Vernier to tipez, back to Liege.
4—From Liege to Huy and Namur. N

s—From Namur to Charleroy and Mons.
6—From Mona to Tournay.

7-.-From Tournay to Ath and Bruuels.
The Moniteur Rays repeats its usertion, that no official

communication has been made to the Belgic government,
respecting the demolition of the fortresses, sod quotes the
opinions of the French journals in theSing's speech, observ-
ing that it is singular that none of the Paris journals have
thought of asking the very natural question—Have the Bel-
gians been consulted, and can the fortresses be demolished
without their consent.

Bausszu, Jur.: 26.—The trial of Lieutenant-Colonel
Edeline, Captain Van Dormael, and Lieutenant Van Ga-
meren, has ended in the acquittal of the accused.
Le Beige expresses great regret at the Speech of the King
of the French. It says, that to of the King is not to be
a member of the German Confederation, is equivalent to
declaring that Luxemburg will not be a part of the king.
dom : and if the fortresses are to be demolished, the only
defence of Belgium will be a vain treaty—a piece of paper,
which the hand of the strongest may tear with Impunity.

The inauguration of the liog has been celebrated with
much pomp at Limp, &ogres, mid other Sow= of the
kingdom.—Brussels Papas, .JiJ497•

EVENING STAR.

LONDON.

THURSDAY. JULY 28.

The letter of our correspondent in Paris, and the
' extracts from the papers we have received by the
estafette of this morning, will be found to convey
a view of the popular feeling in Paris, on the
opening of the New Chambers, which merits at-
tention ; for no subject involves so many conse-
quences, or can be more interesting, than the state
of parties at presenein France. Mere extracts from
the Moniteur, or Messager des Chambers, cannot
convey any accurate view of public opinion in
the French metropolis ; and it is for that reason
we are always so anxious to lay before our readers
selections from the papers of all parties ; and we
are happy to observe that the public fully appre-
ciates the utility of our exertions in this respect.

We have before us the official report addressed
to Vice-Admiral de Rica r, by Rear-Admiral
Baron Roussia, before Lisbon. It is dated on
board the Suffrein, July 11, 1831. It states that
the action commenced about one o'clock, and that
in three hours and a half all the batteries were
triumphantly passed. The fortresses of St. Julien
and Bagio defended the entry, and commenced
firing ten minutes before their shot was returned.
The squadron was so fortunate as to pass 4 or 500
fathoms of batteries, hitherto deemed impregnable,
in full play, with but a very slight loss.—The Ad-
miral further states, that the Portuguese Govern-
ment, in reply to his summons, consented to give
the demanded satisfaction.

The House of Commons deliberated till half-
past two o'clock this morning, debating, voting,
and dividing on the 41 boroughs in Schedule B,
which, having less than 4,000 inhabitants, are to
be reduced to one Member. The several Members
are, in duty bound, to make a speech a piece ;
and if in earnest, they get others to second their
statements—thus there are to be 41 debates on
this Schedule. Last night seven were affirmed on
the list, viz.—

ALDBOROUG II (Yorkshire),
A NI E RS II A IV,
ARUNDEL,
ASHBURTON,
BODKIN,
BRIDPORT, and
CIIIPPENTIAN
And on the last, after a long discusion, a division
took place, for two Members 181, and for only
one, 251.

For information relative to the whole, and every
point of those questions, as far as depends on
figures, Mr. MARSHALL has just printed every au-
thentic detail in a thin quarto, worthy of being
consulted as a Key to the pretensions of every
place.

But previously to the question on Aldborough,
Sir R. PEEL moved a general amendment that the
word two instead of one member should be inserted
in the clause; and he illustrated his argument by
considering the effect of the Bill on the great agri-
cultural and manufacturing divisions of the k ingdom.
This line of demarcation between the two, stretched
from the Estuary of the Severn to the Wash. By
the Bill, the loss of members south of this line is
134. and north of it but 18 ; while, by the simul-
taneous new allocations, the gain in the south
would be but seven, and in the north 33. He
thought, therefore, that this was giving an undue
preponderancy to the manufacturing districts; and
as 33 of 41 in B, were to the south, he thought
they ought to continue their two members.
To this Lord Joim RUSSELL replied at length,
and contended, that on the principle of population,
the North would still not have its share ; and as
lan example, said that Lancashire bad seven times
ithe population of Dorsetshire ; yet, after the new
arrangements, Lancashire would have but 19
members, while Dorsetshire would still have nine.

Mr. SADLER, in a speech of much argument,
called in question the propriety of giving 300
Members to the towns, and 150 to the counties;
though the towns contained but two and a half
millions of inhabitants, and the central parts
amounted to seven millions. Again the rents of
houses were but fifteen millions, while the land
was thirty-six millions ; and the towns contributed
to the Poor-Rates but two millions, and ,the
country 6,800,000. He, therefore, supported the
amendment.

Mr. D. BROWSE objected to the late admission
of Saltaah, since he knew it had been sold for
112,000.

Mr. WA SON doubted whether schedule Bought
not rather to be transferred to A, since the forty
one places contained but 50,000 inhabitants, paid
but £32,151 to the taxes, and bad bat 4,918 Ten
Pound Householders. The public will think with
Mr. WAGON, that 41 Members are 40 too many
for such inadequate interests. At length, after
other Members had spoken, Sir ROBERT'S amend-
ment was negatived by 182 to 115.
Mr. BARING, early in the evening, spoke of the
new responsibility of this country for the Russian
Loan, in consequence of Holland being disengaged
from the contract by the separation of Belgium.
Sir R. Paz!. went over the grounds of Lord
ABERDEEN'S speech about Belgium and Portugal;
but was very satisfactorily answered by Lord PAL-
MERSTON, both sides concurring in declarations
that the French King's Speech contained gross

miarepresentations, and that France had been, and
would be allowed to be, no party about the fortresses
questions, about which, in fact, nothing had been
determined.

This day despatches were received at the Fo-
reign Office from Paris, and from the Hague.

Prussia has at length fairly thrown off the mask
of neutrality. We can state, on the authority of
letters from Berlin, from an unquestionable source,
that the Prussian government declared to the Mi-
nister of France at Berlin, that they would aid
their good ally, the Emperor of Russia, in his
exertions to put down his rebellious subjects, both
with provisions and munitions of war—and on the
other hand, that they would do every thing in their
power to prevent either individuals or arms from
other countries reaching the Poles—that the state
in which Prussia is at present, with regard to the
Belligerents, is inactivity, but not neutrality.
These declarations will go far to explain the bold-
news of the Russian Field Marshal, in disclosing
his plan of operations with so little hesitation.
This declaration of the Court of Prussia com-
pletely changes the aspect of political affairs.—
Chronicle.

Paragraphs to the same effect have appeared iu
all the Morning Papers ; upon which a corre-
spondent observes, that " they must have been sent
round for a sinister purpose; for it is not likely
that Prussia would risk a war with France, and
have her country revolutionized." Our corre-
spondent adds : " Russia has plenty on her hands
at present; and it will be the beat policy for Aus-
tria to remain firm to England and France."
ROYAL EXCHANGE, ONE O'CLOCK.
The conduct of Prussia with respect to the
Poles, and the rumour that the French have taken
Lisbon, have effected the funds; and consols,
which left off yesterday at 831 for account, opened
at 831, and receded to 821 83.
TWO O'CLOCK.
The reports this morning have had but little
effect on the funds, which have been fluctuating
from 83i to 821 for the account, at which price
they are at present.
No official information in regard to Prussia as-
sisting the Russians to put down the Poles, which
is now supposed to be a got up story to operate on
the funds.

In the foreign market nothing doing.
_ THREE O'CLOCK.

STOCK RILCUANCII2.I3B.I2k Three per Ct.
Red. 831 Three rer Cent. Comola, 831. Three
and a Half pet rent. 1818. 911 1 j. Three and a Half per
Cent. Bed. 911 11. Three and a Half !per Cent.
New, 911 901. Four per Cent. 1826, 100 99j. Long
Annuities, Jan. 1980, Annuities, Oct. 1859,
Annuities. Jan. 1880, 16j. India Stock, —; do. Bonds,
1 2 prem. Old Annuities. 921 93. £lOOO Exchequer
Bills, 12 14 ; £5OO do. 13 14 ; £lOO and £2OO do. 13 15.
Consols for Account, 831 221 3.

Letters from Antwerp of the 22d July, state
that 7,000 Dutch troops have left their camp and
proceeded towards Maestricht. _ _

We understand that a great number of Prussian
soldiers are entering Holland, disguised as farmers
and labourers, after which they enter the Dutch
army.
The main Russian army consists as follows :
the corp of Prince Schackoffkoi and Count Witt,
under the command of the Field Marshal. The
first corps consists of ten regiments of infantry,
six of cuirassiers, six of hussars, and seventy-
two pieces of cannon. The corps of de Witt
consists of eight thousand cavalry, with 14 pieces
of cannon. Count Pahlen and Prince Lopuchin
have a corps of thirteen thousand men, with sixteen
pieces of cannon ; all these troops are between
Plozk and Ciechanowiz, and the guards were at
Mlowa. Three thousand Cossacks are at Szlubowo

We have some reason to believe that as soon as
the Reform Bill is carried, a property tax will be
substituted for the newspaper stamp and advertise-
ment duties, the assessed taxes, and the malt tax.
Vague rumour does not, however, satisfy those
who, on the first subject, the newspaper stamp and
advertisement duties, placed dependance on a formal
announcement, and in the honour of the present
Finance Minister.

Last week we complimented this age on the dis-
tinction conferred on the principles of Cartwright;
but this week, as a set off, we are called oti to
announce a statue of Pitt, the most unfortunate,
mistaken, and mischievous statesman with whom
England and Europe were ever cursed. What
perversity of intellect could have led any set of men
to adopt a measure so insulting to the feelings of
the whole country? If Hanover-square really
wants a statue of Pitt, the inhabitants may have
one for the mere cost of cartage for that much
execrated one in Guildhall. Perhaps Charles
Pearson could negociate the transfer.
Mr. Hancock, the successful inventor of the
road steam-carriage, which runs several times
a-day from Aldgate to Stratford, is, we are
gratified to learn, building two others, one
to run from London to Windsor, and ano-
ther from London to Brighton. The pace
averages ten miles an hour, and the new vehicles
are to convey sixteen or eighteen passengers, at
reduced fares. In no one thing has the mis-
chief of Exchequer Bills and Government Se-
curities, in a commercial country, been more
palpable than in regard to this invention ; for,
without a doubt as to its success, not a single
capitalist has adventured a shilling in promoting
it. Thus it is in every branch of industry, the
accursed Exchequer Bills compete with all private
securities, and there is capital for no one useful
object.
Lowo DeasTes.—Sheridan used to explain
their cause thus. One night (said he) Fox was
to make a motion calculated to create a debate
through the whole night. I was engaged at a din-
ner party, and thought myself in time at one
o'clock, and arriving at the house, ordered my car-
riage at three, but on entering found that the house
rose at ten, and I had to walk home in silk stockings
through a shower of rain. The cause was this—
some crazy alarmist ordered the gallery to be
cleared, and as there were no reporters, and there
were no speeches, for the minds of gentlemen had
been previously made up, as usual; and the
speeches, se we all know, are for the public, there-
fore the debate was brief, and our party, at ten
o'clock, in its usual minority.

KING'S LEVEE.

- -
Yesterday, about half-past one o'clock, the King
arrived at St. James's Palate, in has travillirg carriage, from
Windsor.

Soon after two o'clock his Majesty Kid u Levee,
at which Prince Paul of %Vinci:titers was introduced by the
Wirternberg Minister. The Prince had a private audience
of his Majesty.
The Baron de Cetto, Envoy Extraoro:inary and
Minister Plenipotentiary tram the King of Bavaria, had 4',
audience of his Majesty to deliver a letter from his Sovereign.
The King gave audience to Sir J. Graham, the
Marquis of Winchester, Vitieanite Palmerston. Lord 11111,
Earl Grey, Viscount Althorn, the Archbishop at einterbur,
Sir G. Naylef, the Earl of Camellia, the 1.3ar1 Albemarle,
the Marquis Wellesley, the Marquis ni Lansdowne, the
Marquis of Hastings, Lord Foley, Lord A tibon, and Mr.
Grosvenor.

Lord Glenlyon and Sir H. Blackwood were tim
Lord and Groom in Waiting.
There were present at the entree levee the Duke
of Sussex • the Russian, Austrian, and h renth Ambas-
sadors ; the Spanish, Prussian, Dani.h, Bavarian. Sardi-
nian, Neapolitan, Luehesee Wirtemberg, and Mexican
Ministers; the Brazilian Charge d'Affaires; the Lord Pre.
aident, the Lord Privy Seal, the First Lord of the Treasury,
the Secretaries of State for the Home and Foreign Depart-
ments, the Chancellor of the tnehequer, the First Lord of
the Admiralty, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Bishop
of London, the Secretary of State for Ireland, the Marv.
of the Horse, the Lord Steward, the Groom of the S oie,
the Captain of the Hon. Corps of Gentlemen Pensioner.,
the Earl Marshal, the Commander of the horce., the Vice.
Chamberlain, Viscount Combermere, Gold Stick in Wetting,
the Muter of the Ceremonies, the Attorney -Gener.l, t.e
Solicitor-General for Ireland, and Garter King of Arm..
THE CORU.VATIUA.

From a Supplement o the London Gowns of Tuesday.
EARL MARSHAL'S OFFICE, WHITEHALL-
YARD, JULY 27.
The King's Most Excellent Majesty having been pleased t
summand me, as Earl Marshal of England,forthwith to pre-
pare and countersign letters to be passed under the Royal
Sign Manual, requiring the attendance of the Peers and
Peeresses of Great Britain at the solemnity of the Corona-
tion of his Majesty, and of her Majesty the Queen ; and the
King having been further pleased to command me to prepare
such letters also for those Temporal Peers of that part of
the United Kingdom of Great Britain and iteland called
Ireland, who sat and voted in the House of Lords of Ireland
before the Union, or whose right to sit and vote therein, or
to vote at the election of a Representative Peer for Ireland,
has, on claim made on their behalf, been admitted by the
House of Lords of the United Kingdom, and who are not
now Members of the House of Commons of the United
Kingdom, I do hereby request that all those Peers who, in
conformity to the above regulations, are entitled to assist at
the solemnity of the Royal Coronation of their Majesties,
and also the Peeresses and Dowager Peeresses who may
claim to attend at the said Coronation, will be pleased to
transmit their respective addresses to Sir George Nsyler,
Garter King of Anna, at this Office, in order that their let-
ters of summons may be forwarded without delay.
NORFOLK, Earl-Marshal.
Earl-Marshal's-Office, Whitehall-yatd, July 27.
The Earl. Marshal's order concerning the Robes, Coronets,
&c. which are to be worn by the Peas at the Coronation
of their Most Sacred Majesties King William the Fourth
and Queen Adelaide. • .

These are to give notice, to all Peers who attend at the
Coronation of their Majesties, that the robe or mantle of thL
Peers be of crimson velvet, edged with miniver, the cape
furred with miniver pure and powdered, with ban or rows
of ermine, according to their degree, vis—
Buena, two rows.
Viscounts, two rows and a half.
Earls, three rows.
Marquisses, three rows and a half.
Dukes, four rows.
The said mantles or robes to be worn over the full Court
dress, uniform, or regimentals usually worn at her Majes.v's
Drawing.room.
The coronets to be of silver gilt ; the caps of crimson rd.
vet, turned up with ermine, with a gold tassel on the top ;
and no jewels or precious stones are to be set or used in the
coronets, or counterfeit pearls instead of silver balls.
The coronet of a Baron to have, on the circle or rim, six
silver balls at equal distances.
The coronet of a Viscount to have, on the circle, sixteen
silver balls.

The coronet of an Earl to have, on the circle, eight silver
balls, raised upon points, with gold strawberry leaves be.
tween the points.
The coronet of a Marquis to have, on the circle, four gold
strawberry leavesand four silver bale alternately, the tamer
a little raised on points above the rim.
The coronet of a Duke to have, on the circle, eight gold
strawberry leaves. By his Elajesty's command,
(Signed) NORFOLK, Kiri•hlarshaL
EARL MAMMAL'S OFFICE, WIIIIMISALL.TAIM, July 20.
The Earl Marshal's order concerning the robes, two iet•,
&c. which are to be worn by the Peeresses at the corona.
tion of their most sacred Majesties, King William the
• Fourth and Queen Adelaide.
These are to give notice to all Femurs who attend at the
Coronation of their Majesties, that the robes or mantles ap.
pertaining to their respective ranks are to be worn over the
usual full Court dress.
That the robt or mantle of a Baroness be of crimson vel.
vet, the cape whereof to be furred with miniver pure, and
powdered with two bars or rows of ermine; the said to utile
to be edged round with minivtr pure, two inches in breadth,
and the train to be three feet on the ground ; use coronet to
be according to her degree—cis. a rho or circle with MI
pearls upon the same, not raised upon points.
That the robe or mantle of a Viscountess he like that of a
Baroness, only the cape powdered, with wo rows and a h.lf
of ermine, the edging of the mantle two inches as betime,
and the train a yard and a quarter ; the coronet to be accord.
log to her degree—via. a Urn or circle- with pearl. theme,
sixteen in number, and not raised upon points.
That the robe or mantle of a Coronet be as before, only
the cape powdered, with three rows cf ermine, the sdAing
three inches in breadth, and the train a yard and a half ; the
coronet to be composed of eight pearls raised upon points oe
rays, with small strawberry leaves between, above the rim.
That the robe or mantle of a osarthieness be as before,
only the cape powdered, with three rows and a half of er.
mine, the edging four inches in breadth, the train a yards .d
three quarters ; the coronet to be composed of four straw.
berry leaves and four pearls raised upon points of the same
height u the leaves alternately, above the rim.
That the robe or mantle of a Duchess be as before, only
the cape powdered, with four rows of ermine, the edging
Ave inches broad, the train two yards ; the coronet to be
composed of eight strawberry leaves, all of equal height
above the rim. _

And that tie caps of all the said contacts be of crimson
velvet, turned up with ermine, with a tassel of gold on the
top. By his Majesty's cam/said,
(Signed) NORFOLK, Earl-Marshal.

COURT

'HANCERY-'

The extraordinary case of Mr. Wellesley came this day
again before the Lord Chancellor. After some observation
by the respective Counsel on both sides, his Lordship said—
" Well, Twill tell you what I will do in this ease. I will
allow this matter to stand over, in order that you may have
an opportunity of proceeding with your argument on Bator.
day morning; anti in the mean time I shall commit Mr.
Wellesley to the Fleet prison. You will then have an oppo-
tunity of making any observations in mitigation of punkin-
mat, or move to discharge the order.—U=rdhich, the
Solicitor-General gave up the awe, and that he
left it in the hands of Mr. Beanies.—The Lord Chancellor
observed that the case consisted of cross-purposes ; basins
Lordship's mind was made up. The Lensed Counsel was
proceeding in some furtha argument, when the Lord Chan-
cellor interrupted him; and in a speech of great brilliancy
gave judgment thus :—" Let Mr. Butt, serjeant-at. arms, held
Mr. Wellnley in custody. Let the Wades of the Fleet
Prison hold his warrant, and rot lose sight of his prisons ;
but, at the same time, stay the execution of it, until the
further order of the Court, which will be given before its
rising this day."
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