Star.
London, England, 1801-02-17 00:00:00

SUPPLY.

The order of the day being moved for the Houfe
to refolve itfllf into it Committee of Supply, upon
the ?UCH ;MI for the Speaker's leaving the Chair,
11' r. Hnsr.tsox rofc and ipoke at confiderable
length ag.iind the motion. He began by flatting,
that it was die duty of the Houfe ferionfly to con-
fider who were the perfons to whom the pubic mo-
ney was to be entrufted, and for what porpoks it
was to be applied, before they proceeded to vote

..awaylwent.v-cioht niillions ("or tic fervice of the,
p,
year—tbefore they conicntc,, to lo.1,:l ..,.e .conntry.
I Wkttl An addili,ri of two mjilious ca facw.taxes t
thofe.under which it now gt oatteil. At the inn-,
ment the Houle were called upon to pa!, VGtCS to
focb a large extent, there was sin olkulible joerfon
at the head of affairs upon whom relponfibility at-
tached. The Houle was to load ti_: people with
a large acce(ilun to awl: bor,hois they now endur-
ed, at a time when the relponiihiiitypt.tire harmer
Miniflers was at an cod, and v li,:r. the -perfou to
whom that refponfibi I ity was to be . ransfctredo‘ hoar
it behoved to point cat the ufe to which the money
voted was to be applied, on avilom the real-hi:firm
of the expenditure ought to lle ili tj 03..35 abilllt fioln
his place. It was now evident that th.: t•tiilie, Hrn.
Gentleman (Mr. Pitt) w.as no longer Jr. his fornl:r
official lunation, for he had been ad,irelleJ from
the Chair by his oven private name, and the office
he filled the Houfe were hound to confider as un-
filled. Under filch eireumflances it was indecent to
bringforward the preleot motion, and to require the
Rcprefentatives of the people to vote away the mo-
ney of their conflituents, while there was no official
perfon who couldbercfponfible for the Manner of its
being employed. In the American war the Right
Hon. Gentleman had made the Houle re-echo
with the profusion of the Minirler, though in the
lad year of that war only thirteen millions were
added to the National P..bt. But what was this
profulion to that which had diflinguilhed the pre-
fent contelt ? In former years, eighteen and twen-
ty millions had been voted, and for the fervice of,
the prefent year no left a firm than twenty-eight
millions was required. He allowed, indeed, that
in the prefent cireuruilances of the country, there
was a necellity for great exertions; and it was",
very far indeed from his intentions to do any
thing which might retard the public fervice. Ad-
miffing, however, that great facrifices are now
necefrary, allowing that in order to fupport our
independence, and fecure our &fay, extraordinary
expences were to be incurred; Rill it was proper
that we ffiould know who are the perforis who are
to direet the energies of the country. It be-
came the Houle to afcertain whether they were
perfons coming into power with fair and honeft
intentions, with a fineere &fire to embrace the
earlieft opportunity of entering on ncgociation, or
whether they propoted to pudic the lame fyftem
which had reduced us to our prefent &area ?
Whether they were likely to employ the money'
entrulled to them, on objeas of true national uti-
lity, or wale it in idle and fruitlzfs expeditions?
IVhether they were refolved to prattle the tame
wild ambition which had difgulted every Power,
and.rendered the whole world holtile to us? There'
were points on which the Houle ought to be in-
formed before they agreed to vote lo large a rum in
the total abfence of all refponfibility. '1 hey ought
to fee thofe on whom they might call in the event
of its 'being mifapplied, ere they delivered up the
refottreesol an oppreifed and a linking country. Far
indeed was it. from his with to check the ope-
rations of Government, or to oblini& tire granting
of thole fupplies which were neceffary for the de-
fence of the country. But our expenditure alrea-
dy
bore hard on the country, and even humanity
required of the Houle to take care that it Paould
be applied only to great national purpofes, and
above all, that it flinuld not tiLlieceffarily be in-
erealed. Our burdens were feverelv felt by every
clafs of the community, in the deprivation of their
comforts. There was, however, a very numerous
data whom thefe burdens had deptived not merely
of all their little comforts, but had robbed them
almoß of what was neceffary to their bare rub-
fißence. In duty, therefore, were the repre-
fent:aim of the people bound to check all ufelefs
expenditure, to put a flop to fcandalous profit-
fion in many parts of the public expenditure, and
particularly to the pra&ice of granting penfions to
perfons who had on no occafton performed any
a,ls of public benefit. The Houfe would give him
credit when he laid that in fpeaking of ufaefs pen-
fions, he did not mean to allude to the me&ge
they had this day received relpeai ftoa tng a moen-,
torions offi.cei, whore fersices could not be too
biglily eflimate.d, anal Whofe brawny had reilesEtod
honour on the country. On theta grounds he con-
tended that farther proceedings on there climates
lhould be delayed till the newVitfiflers, by taking
their feats, had afrumedrotpontibility. In this delay
be was unable to perceive any inconvenience, since
the fupplies necelfary for carrying on the public
fervice might Wily lee sibt4hed without hurrTing
through meateres with fir mach precipitation:
13y grouting the forkplits under the prefect cireitm..
lances, when Miniliers were cia the eve of rctirjng
from their 'office, while the new men by whom
they were to be figecedeil might fay that they bad
no rnfPonlibili4, as theft Supplies were granted un-
der a different adminiiiration. If the public ler-
vice required that the Houte.fhould immediately a-
dopt thcfe refirltitiont, it was Curtly extraordinary
that they were not fooner produced. It was degrad-
ing to the Houle to be placed in fuch a litultti on as to
be compelltd to committherefources ofthe country
to thole on whom no refponGbility was attached.
The appointmeuts of the new Minitters might have
been limner notified; and if it was determined that
they were to he railed to Rations of refponlibility,
it was furprifing that even now almod no new
writs had been moved for in the Haute, lie con-
cluded by adverting to the Rate of the Country at
the end of the American war, and the commence-
ment of the late Adminiftration; and contended
that the Date of the Country now fully jultified a
delay in granting the fupplies till the diameter
anal rdponfibility of the new Minillzrs were pub-
liekly announced, which might be fully known in.
a week or ten days.
Mr. PITT raid, that Whatever might be raid on
the Cubic* of confiftency, there was one point in
which, from the exertions of others, the late Ad-
minillration appeared in a per fettlyconfißent form.
—Their entrance into olAc.e was marked by an at-
tempt to refute to the Government the neeefary
Supplies, and their exit by a (imaar attempt—
when mote than ever at the prefent moment, thofe
Supplies were moll particularly and immediately.
wanted. Was the prefent a moment %viten the public
refourccs were to be annihilated—when the safety
oldie country was to be comprosnifed, and its Go-'

ve.rrancnt ieft. withont the mean; or cr
thofe tile:eating difficulties and it . •'
thickened around it, and imperiontiv
larged (At re esan l additional con iiiettee
the merely becattle his Majelty had
crcile his legal and proper prerogative in I.
pointnt:nt of his :dinifters, and the non
thole who were to take a part in his Councils. •;
i ion. Gentleman had fait', he wifhed to fee i; i< t
Minitler in his place who thould be reipotill‘ I
the application of the public money, bet;tre. he
gave his content to vote tt away ; but what ri elit
(dad Gentlemen to refufe confidoice to the new
Adminiltration ?--what right had they to fuppole
they would rnifapply the monies vot,,, f,,,.
vice of Government, or :thole the confidence re-
poled in them ? If su Adininiftration had exifted,
fupported by fut-fevenths of that Houfe, and by 1111k-
tenths of the people, whole principles and wholti
condua mat with the decided approbation ut that
large majority of the Houfe of Commons and the
countrir, and had met with it becaufe thee uniform_
ly asacci upon jutt principles, and becaufe their cun.
duel conflantly redounded to thelionour and advan-
tage of the nation, with which it was perfealy eon-
tiftent—if they were regularly guided by views to-
wards the national profperity and welfiire, and en-
deavoured by every means in their power to carry
into complete eiFeEt thole objeasoffound poll, y be-
fore them ; and if, upon the feeeftion of that A din i-
niftration, Misiftersfhould fuddenly come into office,
from whore previous conduct, flow whole declared
prinaiplesiand front whole acknowledged opinitini,
tt was immediately to be inferred Otee could in
diametrical oppofition to their predecelfors, that
they. as wild revprle every fiseafure redounding to the
national honour af.l profperity which thole prede-
cams had endeavoured to carry into execution,
that they would be in every refpeet the dire& oat-
trary of thofe Minifters who leaditleferved and oh-
tained the confidence of that Houle, and of the
people—then it would be time to appeal to every
independent Member of the Houfe, to rcfuie to
thofe Knitters the means of carry ing into execu-
tion their injurious and unwarrantable plans.—
How was it, however, in the prefent inftance ? A
Right Hon. Gentleman had been placed in Admi-
nistration, whom that Houk had long known and
iefpeCted, whole conduft in the arduous fltuation
of Speaker had been unanimoufly and molt honour.
ably approved by three ruccellive Parliaments, and
had this very night again received the fanaion and
approbation ofthe Houfe, by a Vote of Thanks
unanimoufly palled, expreffed in the warmell terms
and carried in a manner the moll honourable and
refpeaful—which even the Hon. Gentleman him-
fell had fupported by his vote. The Adminiftra-
tiara of the Right Hon. Gentleman he had jufi
alluded to was one which would fanaion and fup-
port every principle of public honour and rational
advantage, to which the late Adminiftration had
continually adhered ; they would endeavour to
carry into execution every mcafure redounding to
the profperity and welfare of the nation, which
their precleceffors had planned with a kilt view to
the true intzrefts of the Empire, and they would
use every exertion to increale and render perma-
nent the happinels of the people. Upon what pre-
tence, then, were the Supplies to be refufed ?
upon what pretence was the fafety of the nation to
be facrificed, and the empire placed, weak and de-
fencelefs, at the feet of its enemies? The condat
of Gentlemen on the other fide of the Houfe, ita
oppofing the Committee of Supply, was, he re.
marked, extremely inconfiflent, if it was their ots-
jeCt. to prevent a certain ret of Minifters from
acing in an unconflitutional manner, they furely
took thole means which were the farthell removed
from that objea. How was it propofed to the
Houfe to all for the purpofe of taking away all
power from thek Minilters, marked out as the oh-
jets of their &hull and apprehenfion ? By giving
them a moll unconflitutional, a moa dangerous
power over the public purfe, and by leaving it
open and unappropriated, to be employed in any
way moll congenial mike feelings or inclination's
pf thole Minifters. The Hon. Gentleman had raid.
it was not his intention to negative the fupply—he
merely wilhed to delay it—he merely &fired it
might be deferred, till he raw a Chancellor of the
Exthequtir in his place, who ought to be refpon-
Gble for the application of the money voted by
the Hoyle—and till he could have a pledge from
that *Miler for the due employment of the
Supplies granted for the public ferrite. But
againa all delay, he (Mr. Pitt) moll Irma, be-
, caufe, under the Ferent circumftances, it was
im-
pQtGblc. The money voted for the Army and
Navy lax Salon was nearly e•haulled, and frefb
funplies were abfolutely neceffary to enfnre the
continuance of that force, without.which the Ens.
pire mull remain' defi:ncelefs and unproseeed.
Under all thofe circurnaances, he tinted, there.
fore, the Houfe would not hefitate in granting the
Suppiies which were called for, and for which he
himfelf flood pledged, having undertaken to bring
forward the Supply and Wars and /deans before-
he finally retired from official duty.. He would
now, he laid, fay frankly a few words relative to
his retirement from office. Circumflances having
prevented him from propofing to that Houfe a
Legiflative mcafure which he confidered neceffarY
tp the welfare of the Nation, be conceived it to
be his duty to refign. Adluated by the fame mo-
tives, Tome of his Colleagues accompanied him
in his retirement. They did not, however, re-
tire with any fpirit of hoftility to their ruccelfors.
to whom, indentitictl with his Majdfty's Govern-
ment, he should, and he believed he could an•
Ewer for his Colleagues, give every fupport attn
flan ce.

•-

Mr. WAIT ER N rote to fupport and vindicate the
arguatenu of Mr. Harrifon, which he contended
were reprefented and mifinterpreted by the Right
Hon. Gentleman. With refpea to the change of
Ad,niniftration, he was confident there never was
onc more diffatisfaeory to every defcription of
perfons, who had been bred up under the aufpicm
of thole rem' men whom they had facceeded. who
have brought tht. Nation into filch complicated
difficulties and dangers, and whofe fyfieoss they
were ready to costume ; he was, therefore, con-
vinced they were likely neither to attach the af-
(calms nor the codde,cc of the people, win*

•
Thoeythe Hoof* was this night-called on to grant
them to fo enormous an amount.
Mr. INN:TIME:ID role to vindicate his Hon.
who fpoke firlt in this debate, in a fpeech
and of the goad old times of
ee worthy of himfelf,
the IL itilb Confiitution, againfl the argumeias
,e Right Hon. Gentleman who teed 1, grecsly
iinnderflood ar.el milreprefented him. His Hon.
Friend, direaly contrary to the Rig:it Hon.
Gentleman's itatenient, had declared he meant not
t., reint the Supply, but only wilhcd it poflponcd
r a few days, until thole Mini tiers for whom the
coefidence of the Houle was atked fhould appear
is their refpontible tituatiors ; and upon this
ground he fhould fupport his Hon. Friend. The
Houle was new in deliberation en the fixteenth
t. 1 chrua:y, and they were called on to vote
Sepolies lip to the end of April.—Was the
'';.chequer then fuffered to become fo bar: en
of money that his Alajely's Ministers fhould
make it the qucflion of a day. If the Itight
Honourable Gentleman meant fo to argue; he
nit& throw the ftrongeft blame upon his own
eldminiftration ; and unlefs fuch blame at-
tached, it was impoffible fairly to refill the
propofition of his Hon. Friend.—lt was not fair
to reprefent his Hon. Friend as endeavouring
to trench upon the prerogatives of the Crown in
the appointment of its Minitters : but yet he mutt
fly, it was his duty and his right as a Member of
parliament, to with-hold the tupplies thole
Miniaers, if he thought them unworthy of con-
fidence, or unfit to be trulled scitlt the public
pule. With refped to the meafure which led to
the refignation of the Right Hon. Gentleman, he
feed(' not touch upon it now ; but with refped to
the new Minifters, he had no opinion of their in.
tents: but in their meafures and difpofitions, it
was impoflible they could be worfc than thofe
whom they fucceeded. lie thought, however, the
d,fertion of the Right Hon. Gentleman's power
afforded forage faint hopes to the country; and a
change of any fort afforded fome ground of con-
folation, as it might ultimately tend to fome per-
manent good for the country.
Mr. Bu %TON expefted that from the well known
charafter of the new Chancellor of the Exchequer,
there was every reafon to anticipate a favourable
reception to his adminiftration. He thought that
it was contrary to all probability that he who had
by his ability and afllduity gained univerfal confi-
dence in his former Ration, fhould in a new litua-
Tien, adopt fuch principles or purfue fuch mea-
fures as would forfeit the fupport of the Houfe.
Colonel ADDINCTON laid, that as fomcthing al-
ready had been laid in courfe of the Debate of a
Right Hon. Relation of his, not now in his place,
ewtigh he felt himfelf delicately eircinnftaneed in
(eying may thing on the fubjed, yet lie could ven-
ture to affute thofe Hon. Members, that his Right
Hon. Relation, who owed fo many obligations to
that Bank, and never a more valued one than on
this day, was not impelled to accept the high Ra-
tion to which his Moray had been recently plea f-
ed to appoint him, by private ambition, but by a
fettle of that public duty which had, through his
public life, been the chief motive to his conduCt.—
The Houk would judge whether his Right Hon.
Relation, in filling the Chair, had afted as a man
of dependence or independence ; and he could ven-
ture to affure the Hon. Gentleman, that in the new
fituation he had taken, he never would be found
topping to aft a dependant part, and with refpeet
to his conduct otherwife in that high ftation he had
telly to requeft the obfervance of one principle,
that it might not be prejudged.
Mr. DINT fupported the Motion for.the Com-
mittee of Supply.
Mr. Hosnouss oppofed Paid the Right
Hon. Gentleman had not only mitreprefented the
fpeech of his Hon. Friend, but had uttered a
Rrong panegyric on his own Adminiftration,
through the whole period of its continuance ;
which, however, flood contradifted by.every event
of the time. For he had plunged into mifcry the
country he afturned to proteft. He annihilated
her Liberty, and defaced her Conftitution. He
had taken away the praftice of the people to dill
cufs their Rights or their Grievances ; and in
proof of this fie would appeal to thofe gentlemen
now detained three years in prifon, under the fuf-
petition of the Habeas Corpus, who repeatedly ap-
plied in vain to be called to public trial, and punifh-
ed if proved guilty, or if acquitted, reftored to
their liberty.
Mr. DoNDAS obferved, that if that was the cafe,
the new Miniftcrs muff be better than the old ones,
and therefote he a as fui paled to hear the Ho-
nourable Gentleman fay _they were equully made-
krving of co....^cdence. He could not fee there was
mex reafon now to fuppore that the Supplies,
shich were neceffary for the ftrength and defence
of the country, fhould be naitapplied than on any
preceding period of the was.
Mr. !she Notts Paid, he law no reafon for rdfu-
-sag to rePoie confidence in the Right Honour-
able Gentle n, whom it was now underftood
• his hiajelky's Chancellor of the Exchequer,
" who had fo ably and refpeftably fill,:cl the
Chair of that Houfe. He mutt fee inftances of
niifeonduft in that Right Honourable Gentleman
before he would refute him confidence, or before
be would diftruit him fo far as to refute Supplies.
He coalidered the retirement from office of the
It' gin Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Pitt) as molt
; he was not out-voted in the
't."11:9 or in the Council, and he had libelled his
.:reign by raying, that his Majefty had aged
ontradiiftion to the advice of his Council.
4_l loud cry of order/ ardor!—chair! chair!
efr. PITT fpoke to order. He faid the Honour-
abk. Gentleman was not (peaking to the queßion
ebef,o.rr.
_the Houle, and. had introduced the name
‘g 411 Meay in an im manner, at the fame
ti•me alluding to an expl2cenrxwhich-he (Mr. Pitt)
Lid not ufed.
Mr. Memo:. Ls refumed—he conceived himfelf
I~~i able
fkuofuriconsuing the
hettnainmg eupoofnhistheMacanda
the icalforof
Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Pitt). He
Pedaled in laying, that that Right Honourable
human had libelled his blajefty, :by fuppofiug
cstubleolaftmg coatntry to the e&see of
▪ CountiL He agreed, however, with. other

Honourable Gentlemen, that the Supplies oul;11,
not to he voted until a pledge of relponlibility for
their application was gi-en by the per fun to a horn
that branch of public afrairs had been entruiled by
his Majefly. _

Mr.'Prir fpoke in explanation, and again de-
nied the exprcflion imputed to him by Mr. Nicholls.
Mr. SII ERIP laid, that if Lver there was a
moment when plain-dealing, and fair fiatement
was necelfary, it wa, at the piefent moment.—
When the Houle ought to be informed fully and
fairly of all material 1:111, and not treated with
juggle upon juggle, as had been too much the
cafe. The Hun. Gentleman had fuppofed his
Hon. Friend to be out of order in naming the
Sovereign in his fpecch. He denied that his
Hon. Friend was diforderly in naming the King.
It was true, that the King's name was never
to be tiled in that Houfe for the purpofe of over-
awing their debates; but if Mitiillers fprcad ru-
mours and reports which tended to injure the cha-
raaer of their Sovereign, then it was not only fit-
ting and becoming in that Houfe, but alfo their
bounden duty ca take notice of it. He thought the
Hon. Gentleman had, inlicad of explanation,
treated them with great prevarication as to the
grounds upon which he had quitted his office :
whatever they were he had denied that the ru-
mours which were in circulation had any founda-
tion. The charge or insinuation of his Hon.
Friend, let them call it what they would, that
they had gone out of office, not being outvoted
in the Cabinet, but becaufe they were refufed fup-
port by that Houle, but that they had Rated
themfelves to have refigned becau'b his Majefly
would not adopt the opinion of his Cabinet as to a
great and important meafure; that did bring a
heavy charge upon his Majeity, and for which
his Learned Frierd had rightly complained of ,
them before that Houfe. lie was told that a day
of enquiry would focln come : he Sincerely truflcd
that it would be an early clay, therefore at prefent
he would not attempt to trace thofe rumours to
their fourcc. But an Hon. Gentleman had made
a whimsical dillinCtion between the independent
part of the Houle. The Hon. Gentleman to be
lure, had great experience in thole matters, but
furely they were all independent, the mentioning
however the independence of fome, implied a Strong
doubt that it was not fo with all of them. He
could not agree with another Hon. Gentleman,
(Mr. Dundas) that his Hon. Friend (Mr. Whit-
lace.ad) in what he fail, had arraigned the whole
conduit of the Houfe; it was not fo. He might fay
that you carried on the war feebly and unliiccers-
fully, with impotence and want of Skill, and there-
fore we blame you ; but this was not blaming the
Houle for putting into their hands the means of
carrying it on with Skill, vigour, and aaivity.
fault was not found c ith the Houfe for giv-
ing. thufe means, but with the Adminittration
%%hid: mifuled thole means fo put into their hands. I
His Honourable Friend had laid, and juilly
they had retired unconiuitutionally from their of-
fice& But how did they retire ?—having accu-.
mulated 300,000,000 of debt, anti facriticed two
hundred thradand lives; leaving us without an
ally, and all Europe confederated againft us.—
This was the clay in which the Houk was to be
congratulated as Similar to the year 84. How
bitterly, in their hearts, did not the (even-eighths
of that Houle lament the confidence they had re-
poled in the Adminiflration ? How much did they
not regret that the overtures for Peace from Bo-
lupine were rejeded ? How much more did they
not regret that the Negociation with M. Otto was
broke, under pretext of our faith to the Emperor;
and when that flimfy pretext was removed, did they
not now lament that no attempt was made to re-
new it ?—How all this could be reconciled to the
fix-feveaths of the Houfe, and the nine-tenths of
the country, he left thole Hon. Gentlemen to ex-
plain. But the Hon. Gentleman had done as he
was always accullorned to do when hard preffed ;
he had fhifted his ground. He had told them
that they ought not to harbour any jealonfy be-
caufe the country was in a critical fituation, and
was going from bad to worfe. If they were to
admit of this fort of argument, the whole fundions
of Parliament would be fufpended in watching
over the condu& of Minifters. But as he took it,
the queflion before them was, whether any injury
could arife to the country from a few days delay ?
and whether they ought not to demand the pre-
tence of the new Mintfler, to whom the expendi-
tore of the bums voted were to be confided ? The
I lon. Gentleman, in aniwer to what had fallen
from that tide of the Houfe,had laid, that he was
rcfponfible for all done by him : no doubt he was
fb. He would be refponfible forthe loan—he would
be refponfihle for the new taxes ;—bnt he wanted
to fee in their places, thofe to whom thedifiribution
of the money was to be entruffed. But the Hon.
Gentleman quoted the precedent of 1784,when the
fame oppafition was made to the tame motion
upon his coming into Adminiflration. Whether
she Oppolition at that time was right or not, he
would not mow diicufs with him. He law near
him an Hon. Fricud (Mr. Windham), who was
then in Oppofition, and he would leave them
privately between themfolves to difcufs that quer.
tion. The Hon. Gentleman, however, raid, that
he felt it his duty, bef:re he quitted his otlice,•to
bring forward the ctlimate of Supply, and Ways'
and:T.leins for the year ; this condo& was not ac-
cording to precedent. Upon a former occasion
he could not trace a refuge of fuch fort of con-
dua, and he remembered to have found only an
empty Catchall in the treafury ; and the queflion
naturally arofe. Why does the Hon. Gentleman
now do it ? The anfwer as naturally occurred, be-
caufe the Hon. Gentleman knew that thofe who
were about to facceed him would tread in the
fame Reps that he had previoufly done. This the
Houfe mull believe was only grounded upon Cul-
picion, according to tile on. Gentleman, but
that fulkicion was grounded upon the decla-
ration of one of his Majefly 's Minifters in anti-
titer Houfe, but to which he could not at m-
ina reignite), allude. He however concluded,
that the Honourable Gentleman could not anfwer
whether the Gentleman alluded to would even
take his feat or not. Did he not recollea an in-.
Baum is z Ai, of a lok)ie Relation. of his own,

Nvha :s! vol rw: oiler appcio:nlent, xviC.nut lare-
ing performed on.: ollicrti ;., t. •1:1!?1,2 cafe
might occur again, and th-reinrc wuntcd to
fee the New Isdinider in his place, and hear
from himfelf a dechration of his `:•!•iirc line
of condn!l.—He thought this was :t duty
that they owed to thernfclvec, to their con-
Ilituents, and to their country, before they agreed
in the prefent vote. But the Honourable Gentle-
man told them that they might have great confi-
dence in the new Adminiaration. It they were
gravely to tell this to our allies, (if indeed we had
one to tell it to) if we were to tell it to Europ, he
was Pure that the univerfal anlwcr wodld b.: that
they denied it. Here, too, lie would ampofe that
the nine•tenths of the country had v.:lnce,' the
former Adminill ration their molt cordial inpport ;
when five or fix of the molt experien:ed of then;
quit their Rations, were they to hare the fame con-
fidence in thofe who remained? lie had heard,
in clearing Ihip for :talon, of throe i:7•.; overboard
lumber and trumpery, but who ever threw over
their great guns? It only a few caronnades were
left upon the deck, was the as able to tight as with
her heavy artillery on board ? He never heard of
cutting away the ruddee of a Ihip to enable her to
fail with more certainty, nor could he conceive, ii
after all the witdom and vigour of Adminifira-
tion was fubtraded front it, it could proceed
with equal vigour in the fame cottrfe, and the
fame battle with equal ftrength. Th.T.: was a
place, he laid, well known to that Houfc, n.ancly,
an Ele6lipn Committee, where it was fo much ap-
prehended that party influence might warp iode-
pendance, that the lay. yers had a Fltrafe which they-
called " knocking out the brains of the lit!." So he
thought that they had fairly knoeked 0.,t the brains
of Adminiftration, and putti.ag a mask upon the
empty fkull, exclaimed, here ! here ! here's a
vigorous fkeleton ! Of their fuccelfors he would
not now fay a word—hereafter they would have
ample time to difcufs that queftion. He admit-
ted in the fulleft extent his Majefty's prerogative
to chute his own Minifters ; and with refpect to
thofe upon whom his choice had lait fallen—
of him who had fat in the chair, he was ready
to bear full tellimony of his able and meritori-
ous conduEt in that Ration. He honed, however,
to hear him in his new fituation give a pledge
of conclud in all refpeets the very reverie of that
purfued by his predecelror.—" If I were to addrefs
you, Mr. Speaker," faidhc, "I would fay,follow the
fame path purfued by your pretleceffor,and you will,
as I doubt not but you meritoriowly will, obtain
the favour, the confidence, and the refpeet of the
Houfe ;" but to him I would lily, " depart in any
refpea from the condat of your predeeeifor—give
us peace for war—give us plain dealing and fince.
rity for chicane and equivocation—g:ve us (econo-
mical arrangements ia lieu of lavilli and prol'ule
expenditure—reitore the liberties of the people
from the new impofed thackles, and let honours
and penfions be the teward of merit is cad of the
Ilavith recompence cf proftituted de cndance :
upon theli: grounds, I :ball be har,pv to give you
my heartfelt fupport."—He cotici!:ded by obferv-
ing, that upon the quettirn bif,rc ;he Route he
thought that a fmall deiay wou'.l not be important,
and therefore he vote for it.

Mr. PITT begged the itu:iilg:_nce of the Houfe
for a few words, as much of what had been fetid
feemed to be pointed perfanally at hin.felf. He
alluded to the infinua:ions of an I :on. Gentleman
(Mr. Nicholls), rerp:tding the Catln,lie quel ion,
which infinuations, he mu`.l affert, were wholly
unfounded--on that point he earneflly wilhed nut
to be mifunderftood. It was not ye. y probable
that he thould have encouraged the prrpofttion of
any rumours prejudicial to his Soy ereign's fime,
who through a lung courfe of publhc lire had uni-
formly experienced the gracious regard and in-
dulgence of that Sovereign, for which he felt
bound to him by every tie of duty, gratitude, and
affection.—The rumours indeed which have been
fpread abroad were fo far founded, that it was upon
account of the turn which the Catholic queaion
took, the fuccefs'of which he had conceived to he
effentially necetfary to the ftrength, profperity,
and unanimity of the United Kingdoms, that he
felt himfelf bound, in confciencc and in honour,
to give in his refignation. This much he would
not hefitate to explain as to the motive of his re-
fignation; but he trufted it mull be looked upon as
a new dodrine to alien that a Minifler was ob
liged to atlign every motive which might influ-
ence his refignation. He mull venture to believe
that it never before was imputed as a crime to
rclinquith a high and honourable fituation, which
it was the ambition of his life and the patlion of
his heart to continue to fill, as long as his exer-
tions could contribute to the welfare of his country,
becaufe he felt that a further continuance in that fi-
tuation had become incompatible with that condo&
which the didates of his honour and of his canfei-
ence prefcribed. He would only add, that as to the
merits of the Catholic quell:ion, and the propriety
of the fentiments which he entertained refpeding
it, he would now fay nothing more ; he would
rather leave the part he embraced in it to the
more enlightened judgment of the Country, and
to the impartial decition of poderity. The ear-
I y (lift:id:non and decifion of that queflion he thought
were incumbent upon thofe who under the cir-
cumftances of the Union, which they were fo
aufpicious to effoluate, contidered it as a meafure
of the utmoli importance to the thength and
tranquillity of the Empire. So thong was his
conviaion of the propriety and neceffity of that
meafitre, that he could not continue to remain a
Member of that Government which deemed it in-
' expedient to entertain it. Whatever his future
opinion and conduft Should be refpefting that
queflion, when he no longer aged as part of Ad-
miniftration, that opinion and condua Should be
regulated by what had uniformly guided the te-
nour of his public life, firft to take a cool, delibcr.
ate, and confcientious view of the fbbjea, and
then adopt that decifton which to him Should ap-
pear bell calculated to promote the arength, the
unanimity, and the general welfare and•profperi-
' ty of the Empire.
The quckien that the Speaker dos near hove the
Chair, was this gat and carried,waboas t divi-
Goa.

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TE2 Ha.• having refolvcd itfejf into a Corn•
mit,e of Sup:ly,

NAVY ;STIMATI S.

lAnd t.)te mute tli, ERimates of the
Navy. 'll-1,: fi.•lt !efolutiiin was, that 13 5,000 lea.
mcn; marines, be employed for
oiL, I:A6c: o tl..:year.
_ . _

Nfr. TIFRNI v did not fee the nccernty of the ad-
dition that was made to the mtrnber voted laft
year, and that voted the year before.

Mr. PITT fah], that the .1.1 i;tion was only that
of 1.7,i.:30 men, and that !:inft be moldered as
very hick, whin comp:ln...l 33.:th the danger to
witch y was e.:;-/fed, and to the care
that Ihou:d be taken of nav:d coolequence and
f .periority.—The tir t Ref lotion then gaffed.
It was 11,',:t rctol red, that tun of 2,47 7,6301.
be granted for the wages, .Stc. of thole men, at the
rate of tl. 173. per month for each man.
That the Mtn of 2,05,0c01. be granted for the
&c. oldie above for the Above, at the
rate of 11. lU. per month for each. man.
The fUTII6 for the ordnance, wear and tear, &c.
were alfo moved and at'reed to.

AR :•1 rIM•TES.

The SecaTMy at SCAR rote to move the Efti-
mates of the Army. He was aware that fome-
thing new might appear in the arrangement of
thde I:dim:ars in :om:.ittenee of that part of the
ellablithment whiOt rdated to fr•.laril. But he
would MA give Committee a fhort view oldie
number and quality of the troops to be employed
in the interior of the empire. Their number
amounted for every defeription of men to 32,642;
and the firm to be voted for their pay, &c. to
12,940,8691. inelmling the Irifh and Englifh edit-
Hilhment. If Gent!emen 1.-Hhed frr a r rmparifi n
between the cot plc:ceding years of OL war,
they might (Mel it detailed in the papers upon the
table, to which he begged leave to refer them.—
Whatever there was nay in the arrangement, con-
lifted in an endeavour to equalife the condition of
the troops both in Ireland and 'England ; and to
extend to those in Ireland the benefits enjoyed by
the troops of England, hitch as beer-money, &c.—
The allowances which the fiddiers here received
on their march from the inn-keeper, could not
well apply to thofc in Ireland, where the inns were
fewer in number and lefs able to afford them the
fame benefits as here. This was made up to the
troops in Ireland by a compenfation in money,
which put them on an equal footing with the
troops here then on their march. This compels-
Ltion was to confid in 4.d. to the foot foldier, and
3d. to the dragoons, independent of their beer-mo-
ney ; and the whole addition of expense would
amount to about one hundred thotdand pounds
_;
and the remuneration was to be Fait' in Englifla
money, in order 'that the fituation of the foldiers
in both countries might he as nearly the fame as it
was podible to make it under Inch
cumltanees.

Mr. WINDHAM then r.mvcd the firft refolution,
that 32,64 a men be v...tcd :or the fa.vice of the
year. . _ _

Mr. GREY filid the Ri•ga Hon. Cantloran, in
all the detail he had g.,ne through, had pafrevl
very fiightly over of eircurndaiwe which termed
:o him the rno:t drential of all. Ike meant the
large addition which vv.t. a'acut to he made to the
regular army. By ac1,1:;:x zoo men to each 6:ac-
t:ll:ion. the number railed would exceed 20,c0c.
For tucafure no motive hid been afllgned
Alter the tilt which had beat made by Minifiers
of the military force enmities' to them, the 'joule
ought to paufe before it added to their means of
entailing dic;race and dilaitc: the country. fic.w
were the:c men to be yed Goverimeut
furely could not a& for greater means of carrying
on offentive operatik‘m, and i!'thei sere meant
for defence, would it not be much better to en-
creak the Militia

Mr. WINDHAM faid he expeded little diirrrenee
of opinion upon this ilibjed, and what had fallen
from the Honourable Gentleman had. fitiprii.ed
him not a little. It was rather fingular to intim-
ate that it would be of advantage to the country
to have a defenfive force which could not, and
which the enemy would know, could not carry on
any offenfive operations. Now, for the first time
lince the beginning of the war, we mull confine
ourfelves to (I.:fence. But it would be highly im-
polij: to form our nliiitary arrangements upon
circenviances which Nvt.tild only he temporary.—
Without difparaogemcnt to ;lir Militia, he mutt be
allowed to • fay he thought the Regulars might
be of greater fervice even at home. It was indif.
penfably necetil,ry that th army 'tumid be in-
creafed, and this was without d nibt the moll eli-
gible mode of encrealing it.
Mr. Gast' replied that if the Right Honourable
Gentleman's argument was good for any thing, it
would go to prove that the Militia ought to be re-
duced altogether. He was yet to learn, however,
that the Regulars would be of more fervice than
the old, tried motivational fore.: of the Kingdom.
Four years ago, when there was a great fear of
invafion, a very large•defenfive force had been
railed, and as loon as the danger wa, over, it was
changed from its original deilinittion. Wil!wat
one objet being gained, that force had van 4
and now when the danger of invafion seas gi,:aier
than ever, the Country was Ahmed to be clei'lwer-
lefs. It would furely then he very proper to take
precautions that Inch deitrtlßive meafures Plight
not be repeated. Thong!, mu. wzre really to
be railed, he difapproved toode propolcd of
railing them, and though. it v-as nable to infupe.
rable objedions.
Mr. DUNDA3 (aid, that nith regard to the man.
ner the forces had been eirip7t sd, :1^.":11er
tunity would u.eur of focal im.t. and then lir Mould
be found ready to (land forth in defence of every
part of his eondaet. th it he would obferse
at prefent, was Chit w necetlary to he
railed, and that on many accsmints it would be
inexpedient to augment the Militia. It had once
been propofed to mile new regimmts, but agatet
this plan there were two grand ohje:t.ons.--the z.
Crwould be much greater, and they could not
:quickly got ready for tervice.
Mr. WALPOUR alledgcd, that as every officer
was to have rank in proportion to the nudsber 01
Ines be reifed, the ferrite would be put up to

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