Star.
London, England, 1806-06-13 00:00:00

EIGHTH DAY-THURSDAY, MAY S.

Mr. Robert Trotter again examined.
Look at that account, and (tate to the Court whe-
ther that account is signed in your own hand-writ-
ing ?—lt is.
Refreflting your memory by that account you now
hold in your hand, are you able to hate to the Court
that interell was received by you OR account of that
fum of ag,oool. ?—I know it was, my Lords.
What is the account which you have in your hand,
and by whom is it ligned ?—lt is an account be-
tween my brother and myfelf, wherein I give him
credit for interefi 8021. and for 1,1641. los. 4d.
For interell upon what fumy?—There was one fum
of to,oool. another fum of to,oool. and a (um of
5,0001. ; that was the whole interell I ever received
upon thnfe (urns, and it was for two years.
Had Mr. Alexander Trotter credit for thole (urns?
—Yes; he had, in this very account.

Crofi-examined.
(lonellion by Counfel.—Were thofe fums of money
received upon your brother's account alone ?-1 re-
ceived the whole of them through the hands of Mr.
Mansfield upon Mr. Coutts.
Was it fur your brother alone?—it was fur my
brother alone.

Edmund Antrotus, Erg. a partner in the houfe of
Coutts and Co. criminal

How many accounts has Mr. Alexander Trotter.
nr has he had with the bottle, opened under feparate
heads, from the commencement of his account ?—A-;
far as I recollett at this moment, he had five.
What accounts had he had one in his own
name, without any other defignation ; he had One
called his feparate account; another his private ac.
count ; and one in his own name iti trult for Adam
Jellicoe.
Was there not silo a Paymafler's account ?—And
there was alfh an account in his name as Paymafier.
Was it the euilom of she houfe of Marrs.
that their accounts fhould be figned by their el&
tourers in their books ?—lt is very frequently done ;
but it is not neeeffatily to.
Did Mr. Alexander Trotter fign his accounts in
the books ?—He has rived fume of them ; I do not
think he has ligned the whole of them.
Had Lord Melville an account opened at the
honfe of Meffu. Omits ?—He had.

Hasa copy of that account been delivered to Lord
Melville ?—A copy of that account has been tranf-
mined to his Lordfhip.
Has that account been figned by Lord Melville ?
—The account was tranfmitted to his Lordllip with
a duplicate. the duplicate of which he returned
figred:

—ls that the dnplicate now in your hand, which
was to figned ?---This is the duplicate of the account,
it is I believe figned by Lord Melville, but I never
faw his Lord'hip fign his name.
The paper being (hewn to the Connfel for the Vit.
count Milville, they admitted the fignature to be his
Lord(bip'a hand-writing.
The account was then delivered in.—. The witnefs
was alkal,

Were the vouchers delivered op to 1,...,1 hlt.;.. I.
or his agent, a hen that account was to (ailed
Lord Melville's Agent brought the account to Inc
banking hook in the Strand, when the vouchers were
delivered up to him.
Who was the Agent ?—Mr. Le Blanc.
Whether to your knowledge Mr. Alexander Trot.
ter's account at your houfe, was ever overdrawn?—
It has been overdrawn.
Do you know that the credit of Mr. Trotter's act
count at your hook was in part fupplied by public
money ?-1 know it was fupplied by drafts of Mr.
Trotter upon the bank, drawn on account of the
Treafurer of the Navy, and from the magnitude of
the rums, I can have no doubt but it was fupplied by
public money.
Have you ever fern any drafts of Mr. Trotter's on
the bank, for fupplying the credit of his account at
Meffrs. Coutts ?—I have.
Were they drafts upon the bank of England ?
They were.
Are thole drafts in your pollefflon ?—They are not.
Were they delivered to Mr. Trotter i—Thofe
drafts the inilant they were paid, would of courfe be
left at the bank.
Whether Mr. Trotter's credit confined of large
permanent balances, or was extremely fluauating is
the houfe of Meffrs. Coutts ?—lt was generally al
very flutuatiog account.
Whether the drafts upon the bank of England
went to fupply partly all Mr. Trotter's accounts at
your houfe ?—They certainly did not.
Which account do you except ?—I mean the pri-
vate account, and the account in nun for Mr.
Adam Jellicne 1 cannot (peak with certainty to
the other three, but I think the drafts went ocea-
(tonally to all the other three.
You are underflood to fay, that excepting the pri-
vate account and the account in null for Mr. Adam
Jellicoe, that the cant from the bank of England
drawn by Mr. Trotter, went to fupply in parts at
lean the funds of the other three accounts do
fay fn.
Whether any interen was allowed by your honk
upon any of the balances in your hands ?—Never.
Do you know to which of the other accounts the
greater pan of thole drafts were carried ?—To the
account in Mr. Trotter's own name, without any
other defignation.
Mr. Chapman and Mr. Charleton, both clerks of
Coutts and Co. were examined as to Mr. Ti otter'.
accounts. From the one called his private account
was read, June 23, 1792, by balance from the fan
ledger, 25,0c01. ; and on the debt fide, December
scth, to cam 10,0001.; and 1793• February 8, ditto
t 3,c001.
Mr. Antrolins again examined.
Refer to Mr. Alexander Trotter's private acertuni
of 4th Septemser 1792. Do you know to what
tranfaaions there entries relative to a rum of 23.0c.0/.
relate ?—The credit of 25,0001. relates to a rum that
wa• paid into Mr. Mansfield's at Edinburgh on our
account by Mr. Trotter.
Does that entry refer folely to that account
refers folely to that money.
Is it independent of all Mr. Alexander Trotter's
other accounts?—lt is.

And did the houfe of Mars. Coons hold that Turn
in twit on account of Mr. Alexander Trotter t—lt
was paid in by Mr. Robert Trotter, and held by his .
diretlions a:. the difvfxl of Alexander Trotter.
Meffrs. Mansfield and Co. I believe, did not know
any thing of Mr. Alexander Trotter's name in the
tranfaaion.

In fait, was it Mr. Alexander Tmttet's' money,
or money upon his account ? It was.
Does that entry contain any thing except that which
relates to that Jingle tranfaaion ? This account doe,
not contain any thing cafe.
(ttiettinn by Cnunfel.—Are you to be underßood
that this fum, which was paid in on account of Mans-
field and C. that that houfe was not, you believe,
cognizant on whofe account that was paid, whether
Robert or Alexander Trotter's, or on account of Mr.
Court's houfe ? I believe not.
They conceived it to be Mr. Robert Trotter's.
Qt2ellion by Councel.—Whether at this time, in
September, the credit of Mr. Trotter with your houfc
was fuch, that independent of that draft upon the •
bank by which he had credit for B,cool. fuppofing
that not to have ezißed, and that Mr. Trotter had
drawn to that amount, wr gild he have had credit for
it ? We fhould have paid his draft.
Were all the drafts of Mr. Alexander Trotter
upon the Bank of England drafts on account of Mr.
Dundas as Treafurer of the Navy ? I have never
teen any that were otherwife.

Confine yourfelf to thofe that you have teen ; was
it fo ? All thole that I have leen have been to.
A long uninterefling examination of Meffts. Cnutts
and Co's partners and clerk now followed refpeaing
the items in Mr. Trotter's and Lord Melville's ac-
counts with the houfe. The objea was to prove that
(lock had been bought by them for Lord Melville. on
which they had received dividends on his account.
Mr. P. Antrobtas proved the buying of India cloak
by Mire of Mr. Trotter.

J.‘ceph Key, Efq. folicitor for the managers of the
pr,fecutinn, prefetited a calculation of psalm leads
upon the flock held by Lord Melville, by which he
eitiniAted the net profit on
India Stnek at
aEto,43t
On Loyalty torn at 2,7,0 I I
On 3 ixr ccnt. reduced at 2.496 S o
More bulb Stock 1.7.5 o o
Intffett to Forbes and Co. 3493 aer
Ditto AlanisSLld and Co. 2,1, 0 o 0.

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Then Mark Sprot, Efq. was called in, and,s being
(worn, was examined av follows :
Whether you accepted of the controul over a cerw—
tain ?um of India Rock, amounting to 13,5001. from
Mr. Alexanier Trotter in the moral of May sBOO
I think I did, hut I cannot be certain.
Did you advance a firm of money upon certain
flock, Ealt India and other flock, through the tolici-
tations of Mr. Nei:ander Trotter at that time ? I did.
To what amount ? I think to 51,7001. I have (sea
it fince to rtfrefh my memory.
On whole aceraint did you make that advance
?
To the Hon. Robert Saunders Dritida..
Did you obtain complete power Aver thole Rocks ,
as your own in confequence of that advance ? firer
tautly had complete power to have had it whenev:r
I pleated.

*To whom did you pay the St,? ,cl. that yell have
mullioned ? I paid it to Altzandet 1 'tato.

Did you receive a draft, or the produce of a draft
of Lord Melville, to the amount of 14371. to even the
account between the loan and the flock you had re-
ceived as a pledge for that loan? I never received a
draft of Lord Melville.
Did you receive a fern of 14371. in order to make
that event I received it from Mr. Alexander Trot-
ter, as far as my memory goes.
Cannot you refer to your banking book, in which
you have the exalt amount of the fum ? Turn to the
book, May 22d [Soo? I have not got the book here.
Do you reeollea that you did receive that Ilan of
14271. i t s. t ld. ? I do.
Do you know from whom you received that ? I
think, from the belt of my knowledge, it was from
Alexander Trotter ; I am Pure it was
On whole account did you receive it ? On the
Hon. Robert Saunders Dundas's account.

Did you creole& money bufincfs largely at any
time for Mr. Alexander Trotter ? I have borrowed
Money of Mr. Alexander Trotter, and have lent him
confiderable turns ; large funs.
Did you ever purchafe Navy or Vidualling Bills, or
other Government Securities for Alexander Trotter,
and for his benefit and advantage ? I once purchafed
Navy Bills to the amount, I Paid, of ten or twelve thou-
faad pounds ; but I find in a book I have found (ince,
there is an account of the Navy I purchafed for him.
Refer to your book, and (fate what is the quantity of
Navy Bills you fo purchafed ? That would take up a
long time to do.
Whether the Navy Bills you fo purchafed for Alex-
ander Trotter at any time were ever at a difcouot ? I
have no memory of that.
Do you recoiled Alexander Trotter borrowing a turn
of money of you in preference to the file of his Navy
Bills 1 I remember his borrowing money of me, a confi-
devable (urn; I have reafoo to think it was to prevent his
felling his Navy Bills.
Croft examined.
Had you any pecuniary tranfadions with Lord Mel-
wale is your life ? Never.
H.ve you any acquaintance with Lord Melville? A
If very ll,ght one. I have had the honour two or three times
of being in Lord Melville's company, but never a word
of money or any thing of that kind paff:d.
Were not you applied to by Mr. Troyer in tSoo to

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advance money to him on certain flock ? I a as.
State the particulars of that tranlaftion to the heft of
your recolleaion, and with whom it was ? Mr. Trotter
toad me that he willted I would do him the favour of
lending him uron India Stock and reduced Loyalty
Stock ; I *mei to lend it him. He propofed for me
to lcnd it to the Honourable Robert Dundas ; I then
had a mee.ing with ilse Honourable Robert Dundas, and
I laid I would not lend it upon heavy flock, loch as In-
dia and Loyalty too, which was a heavy flock ; but that
I wilted to lend it upon Three per Cent. Confols and
India. The fum wanted was fifty eland-and odd pounds,
upon which I had a meeting with him next day, and that
4031. mentioned was to reduce the flock that the di-
vidend of India and the dividend of Loyalty fbould be
e per cent. equal to the fum lent five per cent.
Then was it upon that account that you received from
Mr. Trotter 14271. tn. I id.? It was.
Had you any intercoarfe with Lord Melville duriog
the mule of that tranfaElion ? None.
Was the Stock difpofed of or not ? It was rather long-
winded ; I was anxious to get my money ; 1 had ftatd
two or three y od I wrote either to the Honoura-
ble Robert Saunders Dundas or to Mr. Trotter, begging
permillion to fell the Stock ; for I did not think things
were clear.
Look at the paper put into your hand ; is that your
hand-writing? It is, and this can tell the very dates.
Was that paper wiitten by you at the time of the tranf.
aflion ? It was.
Can you, by having your memory refrelbed from that
paper, fpecify the particulars of the tranfaElion ? Yes I
tan ; the fum of India Stock was 54 pool. which was
valued at the price of the day, a tol. the Confols 35,5291.
is. 3d. valsed at 601. that made 51,7671. 15s. The fum
that I lent there is intereft from silt May, ISco, to the
2I ft May tdot, 3,5881. 7s. 9d. Then there is cads paid
Alexander Trotter 3oth October ,• this was to bring the
interell to a date. I remember Mr. Trotter laid, you
have got this 4001. odd pounds, now the intereft wtil
bring it to this date ; to the 3oth ()Sober it makes the
intereft 5 per cost, and the intereft of the fum lent 5 per
cent.

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You fay you have had various money tranfattions with
• Mr. 'Trotter, lending money and borrowing money ; whe-
. thee thefe money tranfattions with Mr. Alexander Tim.
ter were not all entirely upon Mr. Alexander Trotter's
own account ? His own account.
Have you any knowledge or belief that any 3tfler per•
fon whatever was concerned to this tranfaeion ? None.
Or that they were for the benefit or advantage of any
other perfoo ? None.
The witnefs thould be confined to his knowledge ? I
do not know it of my own knowledge.
Q.Lieltion by Counfel.—Whether you had any know.
ledge, at the time of thefe tranfatlions, that the money
advanced to you at direrent times by Mr. Alexander
Trotter was public money ? None : 1 might formife and
conjetlure, as he was Paymalter of the Navy; but I had
no knowledge of it.
Had you any knowledge of Mr. Trotter and his con.
°Miens, and whether his nearelt connettions were not
perfons in cuntiderable opulence ? Mr. Coutt.'s father
end Mr. Trotter's father were partners. Mr. Trotter's
11, brother is a partner in the houfe of Thomas Cools and
t2o and he has a brother of corfiderable fortune ; and lie
t has feveral very confiderable connatioos. And I having
tut my Stock, as a fecurity to Mr. Trotter, into Coutt s
name, I was led to think it might be Mr. Coutta's mo-
ney. 1 had borrowed money, and have money of.hirn
now upon Government fecurity, and did not Mow whe-
ther Alexander Trotter might not be the channel of con-
veyance.
Qzellion by a Manager.--liave you any knowledge
that this turn of money fo advanced by Loan to the
amount of fifty five thouland odd hundred pounds was for
Lord Melv,lle ? .
• Queltion by Counfel.—The witnefs has already faid,
that he had never any conference with Lord •,elville ;
therefore, whatever he knows mull be upon the infoima-
tioo of others? I am not certain of that ; neither could I
upon my oath fiy whether Mr. Trotter mentioned Lord
Melville's name or not.
()...ueltion by a Manager.— Do you know, of your own
knowledge, whether this money was advanced for Lord
Melville's putperfes or out ? I do not know.
What was the nature of the fecurity you received be-
ide the Stock itielf ? A miffive letter Mr. Robert Dun.
das gave me, laying he had borrowed feat muchmuds money

upon that Stock ; and I engaged to 1CC030,. 10 him for
the dividend ; and he was to allow me inter& for the
money.

NI:4TH DAY, FRIDAY, MAY 9.
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gr. John Meheux examined.
Are yon an Officer at the Board of Controul for the
Affairs of India ? I am.

How long hare you held any fituation there ? From
the firll ellablifbment of that Board, in September 1784.
Who was Prefident of that Board at the time you
firft took your feat there ? The late Lord Sydney.
Who fueeeeded Lord Sydney ? Lord Grenville.
Who fueceeded Lord Gienvdle ? Lord Melville.

How long did Lord Melville clntinue in that fitua•
tion ? From 1793, till the 19:11 of May, I believe,
tl3ot.

Did you receive a fslary for Lord Melville as Pre-
fident of tne Board of Controul, after the time that a fa-
lacy was anaexed to that office ? No, not from that
time.

Did you e►er recei►e the falary for Lord Mel►ille ?
I do not know that I did e►er abfolutely recei►e it, be-
cattle I recei►ed the whole fum of money for the pay-
mcat of the office at the India Houfe, and paid Lord
Mel►ille's proportion of it on Lord Mel►ille's account
into Drummond'a houfe.

Did you pay any proportion of it to any other perfoo ?
Never.

Croft examined
Q2eilion by Couniel—When did Lord Melville be-
come PreGdent of the Board of Controul ? From the
moment be &ft entered on that Office he began to do
duty.
When was that ? From September 1784.
From September 1784 till May tBot Lord Melville
did the whole bufineli of that exteofive Department ?
I may fay he did almoß exclufively ; I might alto go
further and fay quite, with the other Members that were
of the Board junior to him.
Was the bufinefs of the office at that time, and parti-
cularly at the bra periods of it, a bufinefs that required
very great and within attention ? Very great and
(what, without any Salary, 1 believe, till 1793.
Theo for the irft nine years of that time Lord Mel-
ville executed the duties of that extenfive department
without any Glary at all ? Without any Glary whatever.
Do you recoiled that that was the period when the
brit eftablinsment took Islam of the Board of Controul,
1 784 ? Certainly, &ad I believe they brit met on the 3d
of September 1784 at the Treafury.
Mr. Geo. Fennell, of the Navy Pay Office, Rated,
that the Accountant's Branch had been interrupted, and
at fall fufpended for a period by the Clerks being with.
drawn to affift in other branches, whole bufinefs had ac.
cumulated in confequence of the preirure of the war.
Ha knew that the public money had been lodged at
Coons's, having received a draft on them for public
money.
The Right Honourable Charles Basgge Bathurft was
examined.

Were you at soy time Treafurer of the Navy ? I was.
When were you appointed to that Otfice ? In No-
vember. tint, I think.
How long did you continue in that office ? Till the
Spring of 1803.
Who was your Payrnafter during that time ? Mr.
Trotter.

The witnef, Itated, that he direeed the praftice of
lodging money at Coutts's to be difcontinued in Summer
iSoa, and had never heard of any inconvenience re.
ful ing from the change. The principal duties were
perfcrmed by the Paymaller. The whole fuhjeft or
payments was totally out of his own perfonal knowledge.
Mr. Thomas Wiifon, of the Navy Pay Office, was
next examined. He was confidentially employed by
Mr. Trotter, and did It's bufincfs in his abfence.
Did you, in the capacity of a confidential friend of
Mr. Trotter, draw money during his abfence in his offi.
cial concerns ? Do you reco!left a tranfaeion with re-
gard to a (urn of 4.0,0001. in or about the year 1796,
io which Lord Melville had any concern ? I do.
State that to the Court ? Lord Melville fent for me,
and delired to know whether a lam of money could be
(pared from the public acclunt ? I told him that the
furn of 40,0001. might be fpared from the public ac-
count, and he defied me to bring it accordingly.
Did you aft upon Lord Melville's diree+on in that
refpett ? Molt certainly.
Was Mr. Trotter in London at that time ? I believe
not.

Was Mr. Trotter at the Pay Office at that time ?
Cori-equal;ly he was not at the Pay Office, he waa not
in London.

Did you make a communication of that tranfadica to
Mr. Trotter by letter ? I did.
Did Lord Melville know that you had an authority
from Mr. Trotter to draw upon the public account? I
prefume fo.
Whether you ailed under that authority generally or
occaficroally given to you by Mr. Trotter during his ab-
fence, either in Scotland or cif:where, fubfequently to
that tranfattion ? I certainly did fubfequcnt to that
tranfaftion.
Both from the houfe of MelTrs. Coutts's and the
Bank? What was the mode in which you drew for the
pubic money fubfequtnt to that tranfattion, either from
Meffrs.Coutta's or trom the Bank ? When I drew money
from the Bank, it was in blank checks, figned by Mr.
Trotter, which were lodged in my (tally ; when I
at drew upon his account Mtflrs.Couttes, fired Tho-
mas Wilfon for Alexander Trotter
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Were you employed by Mr. Trotter fubfequent to this
tranfaetion to employ public money for Mr. Trotter's
private advantage? Certainly I was.
Did you aft upon that authority? I did certainly.
Can you flaw to what extent? I cannot hate to what
extent ; but I certainly did to a contiderable extent.
Ate you coaverfant in the bulincfs of the Navy Pay
Office ? 1 have a general knowledge of it.
Do you know, of your own knowledge, whe•
then the Paymafter of the Navy ever makes fmall
cafh payments to the payees, or that he makes them, by
the curtom of the office, through the fub•accovntants ?
Excepting the payment of fees upon money received
from the Exchequer, the Paymaft,r makes no other
payments but in large round turns to the fub accountants.
Describe what the na.tire of the Exchequer fee money
is, as contradillinguifhed lions the other public money
of the office ? I have no further knowledge of it
than this, that it has always been tl e praltice of the
office ever fence 1 belonged to it, that certain furns of mo.
ncy, amounting to 30001. at a time, hate been iffued
front the Exchequer, and placed in the hands of the pay•
mailer, fur the purpole of paying thole fees upoo money
received at the Exchequer.

Have you ever youfelf had the cuflody of the Ex-
chequer fee money ? Yes.
Did you derive any pr ft or advanuge horn that cuf-
tody ? I certainly did.
What was the average amount of the balance left in
your hand of Exchequer fee money ? It
amount to &pool.

Might not theadvantage upon the average be comrut.
cd at or about 3col. a-year ? I do not think it puMhle
that it could amount to fo much.

When was the Exchequer fee money deivered over
into yew cuflody? I fpeak upon corillure, but I believe
fome time about the year • Soo.
How long did it continue io your cuflody ? Uotil the
Treafurerfhip of Mr. Canning, when I paid over the
balance of Exchequer fees into his Paymafter's hands.
Who did you receive the Exchequer fee money from?
Mr. Trotter.

Had Mr. Trotter had it, to your knowledge, a confl-
&table time previous to the period you lalt mentioned ?
I prefunie Mr. Trotter had it from the time of his becom-
ing Paymalter of the Navy.
Did Mr. Trotter waive the cuftody of that Exche-
quer fee money exprefrly for your benefit ? I prefurne
that he did ; he certainly derived an advantage from it
himfelf, and I made the fame ofe of it that he did.

Are any payments made tut of that fund, except for
fees done dcfcription or another, according to the conrfe
sod practice of the Office ? None that I know of.

Did you ever converfe with Lord Melville upon !ha
butinefs of the Office ? Ido cot recoiled that I ever
did.

Croft examined.
You have been alked refpreling a tranfaelion in the
year 1796, of a fum of 40,0001. that was drawn Irons
the Bank, and paid to M. Pitt ; is that the fame loin
of mor.ey which was afterwards the fubjed of public
inquiry in the Houk of Commons? I believe fo.
You have faid, that you were in the habit of laying
out Tome of the public money for Mr. Trotter's private
emolument ; I defire to know, whether in any ioltance
of your having done that, it was ever dose with the pri-
vity and knowledge of ord Melville ? I folernoly be.
liem not.

To feveral quellions by the Lords, whether Lord
Melville was acquainted with the trult repofed in him by
Mr. Trotter, he replied, in fubllance-1 cannot fwear on
my knowledge that it was fo, becaufe no cooverfatioo
ever palled between Lord Melville and me upon the
fubjee.
HA you the fame truft repofed in you by Mr. Trot-
ter, daring the other Treafurerfhip of Mr. Ryder, Mr.
Bathurft, and Mr. Canning ? I certainly had.
Have you any reafon to know, or can you fwear that
thefe gentlemen were acquainted with it ? I cannot
fwear to it, becaufe I never had any converfation with
thefe gentlemen upon the fubjee.
Was the draft for 40,0001. upon the Bank of Eng-
land madly for that fum I cannot aofwer that
queftioo.
If you had not had blank drafts from Mr. Trotter,
how could you have got that fum from the Bank of Eng.
land ? I prefume that I had drawn a much larger fum
from the Bank of England and placed it to the account
of Mr. Trotter, at Mr. Coutts's houfe, and from thence
I had drawn the fum 0140,0001.
Are you certain that the 40,0001. or any part of it,
was drawn from Mr. Coutts's houfe, and not dlrcely
from the Bank ? I cannot fwear to that, but I believe
from Mr. Coutts's houfe.

Had you authority to draw upon any other account
than fir Mr. Trotter's private ufe ? Certainly, for the
public fervice.
Had you any other purpofe than the public fervice ?,
Yes, Mr. Trotter's private account.
Had you for any other authority hat for the public
fervice, or Mr. Trotter's private ufe ? I had nor.
Nor in effeet did you ever draw any except for the
public fervice, or fur the private ale of Mr. Trotter ?
Never, to the belt of my recollation, *inlets it was on
account of the Exchequer Fees, of which I made a
private advantage.
To whom did you nay that 40,0001. ? I do not
know into *hole hands I paid the bank notes, but it was
in the pretence of Loid Melville and Mr. Long, of the
Treafury.
Whether, at the time that payment was made, you
received any acknowledgement or receipt of having made
that payment ?—Nune.
In what manner did you enter that fain of 40,000 l
in your account ? I kept no account of it myfelf.
The witnefs was direfted to withdraw.

Mr. Swaffield examined.—You have been upwards of
fivty years in the Navy Pay, Office ; have you, during
any part of that time, kept any part of the public money
entrufled to you, except in the Bank of England, or in
your own poffellion ? Not till of late years.
Have you kept any part of it of late years at the houfe
of Mrirrs. Coups ? That was the only private Bank I
ever made ufe of.

Why did you put your money there ? Mr. Trotter
required it of me.
Were you wiiling fo to do ? It was done reluBantly.
Did you fird any convenience refulting from having
the money at Mr. Cuutts's ? None at all.
Dd you find it produced any confufion in your ac-,
counts? In two inflances I was rather perplexed about it.
Croft examined.
Queflicn by Counfel—Whether this defire of Mr.
Trotter to you to keep your money at Meals. Coutts's
WAS a defire to which Lord Melville was to your know-
ledge privy ? Ido not know that he was.
The witneis was direaed to withdraw.
The meant, made out for the Comnsiffioners of Na•

dal Enquiry. of balances of public money in the hands
of the Treafurer of the Navy sod bis Cafhiers anti Sub.
Accountants, made up to the 3t@ of December in each
year face :790 to tilos, with the toms (landing is the
Treafurer's navoe in the Doak at fuch periods, were now
g;reo in ; alto a fimilar accouat from 1784 to 1789, in-

The Right Honourable G. Tierney, who entered into
the office of Treafurer of the Navy io the end of iBc3.
flared, that at irft he employed Mr. Trotter as bis Pay..
mailer, sad afterwards Mr. Latham ; that a very
coofiderable alteration took place almolt immediately
upon the appointment of Mr. Latham, an alteration for
which he was indebted to a ffiggediuo of Mr. Trotter.
He defcribed it as follows : Heretofore it had bern
the ceders for the Sob Accountants to wait upon the
Pat/matter in the morning, dating what turn they thrw:J
tpieonetobtly t vihrdtayi oat:der
upon
cast:7i, ornepthr
tei
icuotrartei
nt tielraact;
was drawn wino' the Bank and hfcireggcrs dilititchw
with i , who came beck bringing horse ti.e money, which
was delivertd to the Sub Accoaetant the altesgion I

made was that sAer: a Sub Accountant applied re
the Paymafter tor a turn If money, no fuch proceeding
took place as a draft being gii.en by :he Paymaffer upon
the Bank of England ; the mode to obviate that se_
celh,y adopted by m- was this, that four d.fferent ac.
counts were raif..d at the Dank in the name of 114 fuel'
principal clerks who had the payn.tnt of the money, and
,hefe accounts being fo ra.frct in the bank boars ir.fttad
of their being put in cafh by the Paymatket's drat!, the
Paymalter wrote to the bark an order, finial/. write
off from my account to the account of the Sub Accuse.
rant in queflion, the ram which he :.ad fated to bo accet
Cory for carrying 00 the ordinary payments.
Croft examined

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After the alteration took p:ace, did it Ili!f continue to
be the ufage of the Office to make fmall payments in cad%
at Somerfet Houfe ? I apprehend that new regulation,
which I have endeavoured to defcribe, created ni. al era-
tion whatever in the puftice of the Office, but only el-
feeted the mode of bringing money from 'be Bank to the
Office.

Do you kflow that (Mal! payments to a confiderable
amoun• were made daily at the Office at Somerfct Houle
in the proper departments ? I know it as well as i. can
know any thing which I did rot aCtually fee. I apple.
bend there is not the ltall dealt upon the lubjrCl, bit: sot
having fcen the aCtual payments made, I cannot under-
take to (wear to it.

You are under Rood to fay, that you gave& rower of
attorney Lill to Mr. Trotter, and afterwards to Mr. La.
tham, to execute the duty of Payroalter, and to ad u
your deputy ? I did.
Mr. Latham's examinaticn.

Were you Paymalter to Mr. Tierney whillt be was
Treafurer of the Navy ? I was.
Did you adt in all the offreal co/ice-no of the Tres.
furerfhip of the Navy under a power of attorney given
you by Mr. Tierney ? I did.
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Did you make any payments yourfelf petfonally as
Paymalier of the Navy, or dire all the money to the
Sub Accountants for that purple ? I never made any
perfonal payments ; I always iffued money for that pur
pole to the Sub Accountants.
Was the eat% balance during your Paymafterfhip in
the Bank of England ? Yes.
Did you delegate the power given you by Mr. Tierney
to any body elk ? Never.
Did you prallife the mode of carrying money from
yourfelf to the Sub Accountants ? I did.
Did thefe utrite.offs bear upon the face of them the
different branches of Navy, the Vitlaalling, and Pay ?
Not that I recul.ed ; the name of each individual ac-
countant was !fated upon the write-off.
Croft examined.
Fl,.w long did you continue in that office of Papa-
ter ? Ten months.

Did it happen to you to be lick or abfent during that
time ? To have been abbot once on accouot of fick-
nefs in my family for about a week.
Who did the bufinefs for you during that week ?
What it was seceffary to attend to Mr. Tierney offici-
ated for me in my abfence ; the drafts were fent to me
to my houfe in Brook-Brett.
Had you no other interruption from attending to
your duty, except that week's ficknefs ? Never, that I
recolleß.
Attu the bum was written off to the Sub Accountant,
had the Sub Accountant the full commit over all the
money fo written off' at the Bank ? He certa.nly bad.
An order, figned by Lord M. defiring /delfts. Coutts
and Co. to put certain bums of flock at the clifpofal of
Mr. Sprot was then read and admitted.
Mr. Sprot was again called in.
You were silted yefterday to give the Court informa-
tion as to the value of a draft which you received from
Mr. Alexander Trotter, to the amount of 1,4271. ; you
laid you had left your banking book behind ; now look
at that book which is put into your hand, can you afcer-
tain from that book that you received that tom ? Yes,
t. 4271. and there were odd (billings and pence, which I
put in my pocket ; I received it in bank notes, I have
been fince I was examined by the Committee to my
bankers and traced the notes : the bankers were fo good
as to look over the notes, and I found the bank noes
numbers, with which I furnithed the Consmi.tee. fo that
I received this mancy from Mr. Trotter, I prefume ; but
I cannot fay.
Then an indorfement on the back of the letter of the
t 6th May 1134>0, from the Vdcount Melville to Mall.
Coutts and Co. was theV/17 to the witnefi, and he was
silted, Lock at that paper ; is the fignature at the bot-
tom of it ycur writing ? It is my hand writing.
The witnefs read its, follows :
Loudon, at May, :Soo.
Melba. Thomas Coutts and Co. I write thus to ac•
knowledge your having transferred the films of flocks
mentioned on the other fide, agreeably to the direft•oes
given you by me, and I have received the produce of the
fales, which I have paid into your hands. amounting to
20,4521. 4.1. sd. Manx SPROTT.
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Now refer to the other fide of that paper, and (Ice
whether the flock there mentioned and &rated to be
transferred to you by Lord Melville, cunlti,uted a part
of the fecurity upon which you made the advance of
51,500). to the joint fecuri y of Mr. Robert Dundas ?
pielume that it was ; but 1 have no Ihdclow of recol-
knit's of it. I have read this paper, and 1 declare that
have no more recolletlion of it than the child inborn.

Do you know that the flock for which you Ggirted your
name as haying received, attd for which you.paid the
confideration of 20,0001. was the flock which formed
part of the fecurity, together with that of Mr. Robert
Dundas for the loan you advanced ? I fee, from this
pnper, that certainly this Rock mutt have been fold by
me, and Confols bought, with which the 14.5001. made
the amount of the fum which I lent Mr. Robert Dandas;
but I have no recollaition of that paper at all.
If you have any memory of the tranfaftion, whether
the flock was then braid out or not ? Certainly the flock
was fold out, and I prelims by myfelf ; for I remember
perfeitly well that I would not lend the Honourable
Rotten Saunders Donde. upon Loyalty, becaufe the
other was a beery flock. and that I would I,nd it upon
Conical, but not upon that.
Queßion from a Lord.—Had you any interview with
Lord Melville io ScoiNtnit ? Not a ihad.:ur ; I have
not fern his Lorrlthsp thole f•u, or 6ve years till 1 law
him in this Court ; not the leaft in•ervievr ; nor with his
fon the Honourable Robert Saunders Dur.das ; 1 have
neither teen the one nor the other, nor had Any commu-
nion roe communication direß•y or inditealy.
The remaining evidence of this day was very unistr
reft:ng.

TENTH DAY, SAI uaDAY, MAY to.
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