Star.
London, England, 1804-03-29 00:00:00

PARLIiMENTAKT PROGEEDINGs. .

MUSE OF LORDS, WEDNESDAY, MARCH at.
Cassia wets farther heard upon the Croft Appeal, Abercrom-
bie la Fleming 1 proceed again oo Friday fennight.
Or FRANCIS HUE OFT r brought op frem the Cameo= the
pacas. workbook BM. which was read a Ord time.
The tor mullein/the Mollies into Pridts and Deacons'
Orders was r, ai a kcood thste,and committed for Friday fennight.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH obferving. that in the Committee be
gtaaN auwe, that the NU ihasid not go to Wed the Tights of the
Atehblanalt of Canterbury er the Primate of trekst
Lord HAWKESBURY, having mooed the Order of the Day
far taking into esnlideratice his Maier's mod gradate Maw.
=awed the Hoof as the fpirit and loyalty difplayed by the
of Ireland; and having paid fame defervedeastplitnenta to
that proof of union hod adedion between the Madre puts of the
V.ked tinidoln. nweed—f• That an Addle(' load be palette:
'el to Ms Majelly, thanking him for Ms soft gradate comment-
dam. and capreling the intention of their Larded's' to take into
ea tildwarian the bet made to enabling his Majety to avail Um-
Wel loch loyal and patristic odes"
The Duke of MONTROSE Wadded io the aphides ezpreffed
by the Noble Secretary of State; tailed that the mesfurc might
bane a amititanienel ree, and that the Intake of the Militia of
both of the United [Madam Rasa he reciprecaL
to Thatiley tie Kb el April.

HOUSE OP COMMONS.
Mr. AI.COCK, ham the Tratfury, preßsted at the Dar the
iiesenats ibeinetty mond lac of the fame remaining in the Es
ghigner, and Shevrife of the tome yet tithe paid for the entreat
goar.`witith were brie* up end ordered to he en the Table
at J. ANDEISIAN prefentni a Petition from the Cony/my of
Deers, ppraaying far keen bring In a Petition to be relieved from
metals which was referred to a Committon
A maw wrirwas angered wire kneed for the &MO agave&
heroegh. b Yerldhlre. for the der ion of * Member to Sine in
Thrlbi In the roast of pates Hate. Efq. demafed.
A dig he has the Lon* Raged. that their Lunar bad
. Agreed to the deed impertades.the Greenland Whale Ellhery Es-
. and the Irina Plantation Pude= Warebording
Mr. STEELS prellothod reveal amour relative to the Army
Thli Petite Deem Mdflast iii was, en tllO 1110610
• MID V. BURDETT. read • third date, and plated.
Lad MARMARA repined how theMiddiefes Ekdion Cwt•
seldit. that it wet the opinion of the laid Ceramktee, that Imre'
Braid be Abed el done& to adjourn won Monday the etb of
*Ft The ripen reraneekod, and leave secerabgly gourd.
r* bob" Mk Repose of die bib Wilda Parefly Mardian &Eau sakes
k osedideraiste. and stir ion eleolkl" ea las Porf
of Ms 0011111 f, eta Awes which west toswisd the *OW asp-
gladine from she alas wed Wain of Milidnotora do the foiled
offerOwies. thadelle wile related. the
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beareerwr.
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• Tabetween the Madura wed u• whew' dopier& is the Cu-
oat kw& p, and entered to be total iota
denPttirreMesidoy the whet ApAL
.tuaytEN ow" Oa therein laid before the Ho& es
BMW Odle ditties rid so the &oral expects sod 'swooshes'
• andlowtheas A Man, from the add sloy. to tR of
Morays awes* of the epp.on d the reflathas
ARCPBSALD HAMILTON fad. that at it was as eh-
greet forgartswee to have as newly as polkas the who a
dllignpre of Airy rid by Oohed and ileodend es Masai
. Allidebied. be alined dot the hake 'night dal* way
Ewa the Wears of Oesdnient will tun hd ao.
*" oaten.- The Cosanittes appointed fer tbee in-
.1 at yet &Sag. ard he theeittherefensweve, that I
Midair, the Mem. Mr. Ebasied. sod Mr Wm
•Ile AAA to
the Cessathwe pasireed se asiphe Ina
Maeda the Rase ef Doty en Yak eel &del
Sae ileedesd.
• .* a words boa ROBERT BUXTON,
vibe gwe
OMR ROI So IMAM taronamoor repots mom names or be oiled
lapin Comeniee, the weeks wee kroalry pet sees the same ef
lhodebea, eod egad is
away esti VtIICTIOII PaTlTtnn.
2RA SHERIDAN ptelecaed a Paid= front Thltow Shoddarby,
of tbr &Ale reales which had Men ae&
litri_ !gilt fareggli Lifter and praying for the avid'
aima.o. He Md. that he Ad at with to pewits any per.
dollop tar dr eadtheries of the Mold" with:haat&
es tint It might to ri before *nodal of the of
Wee& ellibled by the wrawory dceillan if the two
1 he 'widow OW Illa hound na sprier helm the
• fear he whiled eo Freest the othre-Osedidwe, Mt.
Row tabieg he fat for roy booth of date. he bad.
gwooding se the AA, mkt to by a writes swim en the die,
roam period of do &ye wield eseeffere y &ph Wire dm Cam-
-11/11ABO Appian/ ...iron of Mr. iinhialsde Simkins est&
Alma ritisfees. Me weld. boursoer. MAT fly ,both thr Mad(
osf the Parairaar. thee th.l were net &keen so take reiventage
proeillon a the A&
Mere the EPEAKPA &taken& do the only whom buoy
.de Elude woe, se la do day fee the onakiteades of the Pal-
fliee
Mr. MIERIDAM stationed Monday .April the std.
Pill' twos, that if the Meek whW to AA. conddent
• Sy, wall adhere te the order of proceeding they bad already
• k wee curses& diem& •ty f when the warflion of
;might wesid be breoght w o dwifim. but in the areas tune. tlfsar
Wei no talon whatever Aimed why the Boron& of Likeard
limed he Yore a Sapn.frotadve. In his opinion. the Petition
if Mr. HlMdrioneoglo grit to be heard, and the motion &odd
Ibereiare have he uplift.
• Me sHtbtDAN easeadrit. tl•at the fabeftian of right ought
• inbe previa* decided. and that the relent infante was ako.
giddier Okras from thok which had hem mendoned on the
of a dig& retool. as u than there was a pin at nigh:
'Mt. PITT thoeobt the Hon. Camden= could oat Ia loftier
• awe Wad( of the right a.. have hie petition tried, and at the fame
dos sin sesta to the Returning Ulm that hie Hos, relative
bodva lotereft to the roue.
Ito•SURROUGHSand Mr. BRAGG? or *man.
taut
petition of Mr. Malawi paireffed a priority af right to be
&AAA
To wedifort, that the Order of the Day far taking tato emit.
decades the p Winn. romphdoing of an endue worn for the Bo-
rat# of Lidtainl he now :rad. w • s tins put and negatimd.
• TNI. 'since 5.1113 AT TOUI me
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved, that the Hours do resolve itfelf into aCorn-
mince of the wh,le Houl. to confider further of a
Supply to be granted to hi, ILjcily ; and that the
'paper, failwitted to the Houfe. ielpeeting the prises
taker. at Toulon, he teferred to the faid Committee.
Agreed to. The Honk hiving accordingly retolved
id-till into the Committee of Supply.
The CHANCELLOR 1.1 the EXCHEQITER
faid. be :elt it his ditty to call the attention of the
Committee to a fobjed which prefect Wilt- moft pe-
culiarly on their confidetati ,n. It was. indeed, a
futile& which claimed all the indulgence the Router
bad ever been accußomed to bellow on the merits
of the Britilh Navy t and it wet Doe intimately eon-
melted with the fervices, and gallant erections of
' tome of the metitorious officers and hamen
when. the country pialffeJ. He Mould merely
lay. that he alluded to lard Hood, and to thole on-
, der his command, when Tingles was in the pificition
Obit liajelly's alms. He had only to mention the
• maws of Lord Hothain, Load Keith, Lord Rad-
Sock. Lord Welf.ir. of Lord Hugh Seymour, the
Sahitte of Snare and general regret,_ of Sir Sydney
dmigh, of Captain Cooke. of the Sybille, and of
eamar name gallant aka% who were then under
is command of Lord Hood. to skew the importance
tsf tine fah e.m, to which it. begged leave to call the
attention of the Committee. thefe meritnrinua
&theirs. or then families and relatives. wen deeply
involved ia the coafidetatioa of gm Committee. He

fhould got.detaiti the Hoare et any lehgths,
not his intention to enter into the particulars
furrender of Toulon to his Majefty's arms, bat Itt
confine himfelf to thole leading prints which apPe.
ed to him moll material. It wonld.be veer/Bah.
by every Gentleman who heard him, that the
of the South of France, after experiencing the is•Al
dreadful calamities which Could be inflieted by thai
wortl of tyrannies, had expected a fincere dears to
be placed under the preiteetion of the Bri!illt Govern-
ment, with the view of being ultimately refigned
the Government of the fucceffor of their murdered,
' Monarch. A convention was concluded with dial
'inhabitants, according to which the port of Toulon,(,
and the (hips in it, were to be held by us during the
war, in troll for Lewis XVII. and they were to be,
reftored according to the terms of the Proclamation.'
when a proper indemnity lhould be given for the ex-1
pence. incurred, in confequence of the meafures
adopted for talking poffeffion of thefe (hips. The na-
ture of the terms prevented Lord Hood from apply
ing for the remuneration, which he conceived himfelf,
and the officers and (cameo (crying wider him, were
entitled to claim. It was true, that a number of
thefe veffels, confiding of ten (hips of the line, and
three frigates, had been deltroyed, to confequence of
the prefure of circumftances,. which were altogether
unavoidable, and which it was unneceffary for him
to mention. But although the nature of the MAW
by which the port of Toulon. and the (hips in that
harbour, had been furrendered to his Majefty's arms,
prevented Lord Hood, during the war, from making
any application Sin that bead, yet after the war the
Noble- Lord put in his claim, and that of the officers
(crying under him, in a memorial, which Hated, that
if thefe (hips had been condemned in the High Court
of Admiralty, the amount of their value would have
been paid. His Majefly referred the memorial to a
Committee of the Privy. Councils and their opinion
was, that no remuneration could be thade for thole
dellroyed, but for thole brought away. It was then
referred to the Admiralty to value the hulls of the
velfels, and to the Board of Ordnance to ellimate the
amount of the flora. The whole amount was
affs,oool. end the return thus, made by the two
Boards. had received the approbation of the Privy
Council, whore Report upon the tubjea, his Majefty
had been graciouOy pleated to fanaion. It was
evident, that if there (hips bad been condemned in
tile Admiralty, the whole value would have been
paid to Lord Hood, and to the Officers, feather+, and
marines who (creed under him. At the Helder,
wbso Admiral Mitchell took poffeffion of the Dutch'
ADM, the remit was eshaly as be mentioned ; yet,
however meritoriass that Service was, for the Dutch
'MM. would have been taken forcible polka* of
of, had it been necefary, would any man fay that
the simetioos of Lord Hood and the fquadrou under
his consitrand. were lets entitled to reward ? The
Alps taken at the Helder were libelled, although
they were wit condemned, and the value of them
was given to Admiral Mitchell, and.the officers and
hones under his command. It would alto be
.re
mitated. that Lord Nelfon had received pecuniary
compenfatioo for the (hips deftroyed at Aboukir and
Copenhagen. When all thefe coofiderations preffed
span his mini.. he felt himfelf jullified in Paying, that
be Agra no favour for L ird Hood and his feet. but
he merely propofed to the Noble Lord, and to the of-
tiers and men under his command, the value of the
ithips taken at Toulon. many of which had proved
benefi. ial to the Service of the country. It might be
naked why the claim was nor bonner brought for
ward ? He (hould anfwer. that it had been pre-
, eluded by the very nature of the engagement or con-
vention mew-ding to ilia they had -fallen into our
poleffinn. Ou the 3orh of Ana, the queftinn had
been referred to the Ring ii, Council, and if blame
were to attach to any perfon for delay finee that
time, he ()mold not Lfitate to rake it upon himfelf.
There were, wever, room mites which could not
be forefeen, and which it was not neceffary to Rate
to the Committee. He e ,ncluded by moving, " that
it is the opinion of thi, Committee, that a turn not
exceeding 465,3361. be granted to the officers, lea
men, and mations ferving under Lord Hood. being
the eiiimated vain of the (hips taken at Toulon."
Captain PIERREPOINT bore teftimony to the
ezeeltent char after left behind them at Toulon by
Lord Hood, Lord liertham. and the other Officers'
keying there. Had any of them fallen in that of
fair, the llonfe wiuld nut have helitated to have
voted them a monument ; and w th refpea to dude
who' furvived, " let it not be laid, (exclaimed Capt.
Pierrepoint ) that, when living, you denied them bread,
to whom, if dead, you would have given a Stone 1"
Mr. JOHNSTONE laid, that the (hips were in
the poffeffion of Lord Hood, not as prizes. but by a
convention. The cafes of Aboukir, and the Helder,
Apptaud to him to be not at all analogous. With
reaped to the latter. the faa was, that in the anfwer
of the Dutch Admiral, to the Commons made by
Admiral Mitchell, he and his Officers had (wren.
dered themfelves prifoners of war. The captors in
that cafe were convinced of the juftice of their
claims, and had applied to the Admiralty to declare
the right of capture. If the queftinn of capture
u ere once admitted in the inftance of Toulon, he
fbruld maintain, that the land forces had an equal
right with the Rcet in dividing the value. He would
not, however, go In far as to vote againft the fop-
ply in the firil inflance, but he thought the opinion '
of the Righ: Hon. Gentleman, who was then in hi.
place (Sir Wm. Scott), timid be taken, u hethedthe
(hips brought away from Toulon. were good prize or
not ? if not, he t. ought In large a bum ought not to
be granted to Lord flood, at a moment when the
financial dr Itredes of the country were fo great.
Sir HOME POPHAM (poke in fopport of the mo.
tern, though he thought it had not been fairly Rated.
He then went throngli a derail of the cireumftances
of Lord Hood's affair at Toulon. !rib Lordfhip ap-
peared off that port with 14 fail of the line, and
there were aftually t 7 fad in the harbour. He dii.
embarked the troops that were on boat ti, took Fort
Milgue, and threatened the enemy's fleet if they
did not Surrender. There was no Cruet neflocia-
tour whatever between Lord Hood and the French
Admiral St. Julien ; it was nothing but a fair trial
of their two nii.itai y poners. St. Julien quitted
his fi:uati.,n, tcith many other., who entered into the
army of Coteau. He then panezytifed the excel•
lent condoet of Lord Hood at Bafteterie, which mull
have had a great eden uaj n the French Commander.
and vint7odeJ that his Lordth'p had not only po.ived
him Self as excellent fea-offsecr but alfu an able laud-

nd, in addition to boththelki an.Abilt 11E4
4 .-41 ciliating the affations of Ate itffiabiiiits
. by taking idliftlon of the place .for;
P77:e the XVIIth, to whom they were attached.—
was for this perpofe no conventioimkde, but
't%lshole was the refailt of a Military operatian. The
propofed, it fhould be recollettect was not
'merely to Lord Hood, bat to his Lordibip as one,
and to a watt number of other claimants. He felt
that the Houle ought to confider the beneficial eon•
fequences of remunerating the gallant defenders of
the country withliberality ; and likewife to think of
the bad cunfequences of neglefting or refuting to do
fo. We were again at war: fupprife_Toulon was
again to be attempted, would it not go very much
againtt our interells to have it known that the Offi-
cers did not receive the rewards they had merited?
Lord Hood Aced for remuneration. The queition
had not been brought forward during lail war, for
it would have appeared indelicate in the eyes of that
Noble Lord, to have libelled the Blips at a time
when fuels a proceeding might have had an impro-
per effeft; confidering the circumflances of the cap-
ture. But after peace he thought it more proper to
lay it before Government. He had done In, and it
was to be hoped that no quirk nor quibble of the law
would defeat the great objeft of remunerating the
gallant Officers as they well deferred.
Mr. CREEVEY thought this was a matter to be
determined by law, and not of fuch a nature as pro-
perly to come 'under Parliamentary conGderation.
The CHANCELL9R of the EXCHEQUER',
obfcrved, that lie had not fpokcn of any eau:aeon-
nation, but that the whole traufaftioa had the cha-
rafter of a convention. He did not. put it to the
Houle, an a queftinn nr claim of right. No fuch
word as right had efcaped the lips of the Noble Lord
alluded to in the cootie of this tranfarnion. He there-
fore put it to the liberality and generofity of the
Houle ; and begged them to confider that the nation
bad received all the ufe and benefit of the Blips, and
to weigh well whether thiw ought not to recompense
thole who had procured diem.
Dr. LAURENCE declared, that he was no nig-
gard in matters that claimed generofity ; but he
could never agree with the gallant Officer, that, be-
eaufe this meafure came thus recommended, Par-
liament ought not to confider and esamine it well and
fully. He likewife animadverted on what fell from
the gallant Officer concerning the confequfnees of
this being refuted. He then went into an enumera-
tion of various circumflances, pointing out the lead-
ing and different features of the trantattions at the
Helder and at Toulon k at the laft of which the fleet
was in a great mature furrendered, but not captured.
To fucb cafes, the claim could not attach to the fame
extent.• After noticing the proper practice in (uch
cafes, he declared, he had no objeflion to an equita.
ble remuneration, but the papers on the fubjeft ought
to be in every Member's hand, to esamine them at•
tentively before they were called upon to vote the
funs prvpofed. As it was, it might go to Nina a
very bad precedent for future demands. Confidering
that this fervice had been performed ten years ago,
'end during another adminiftration, he believed Mi-
nifters had thought they were only dving their duty,
and acquitted them of every undue motive.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
"(aid, that the Hon. and Learned Member had done
him no more than jullice, in Paying that he believed
ihe was only eel:aced by a fenfe of his duty in bring-
ing forward this bofinetir. But in point of faa, the
Papers bad been on the table much longer than the
Learned Gentleman teemed to imagine. He wifhed
'once more to be completely underflood, that he by
'no means brought this matter forward as any claim
lof right. If he had thought it Inch, he never certainly
&mad have thought of coming with it to Parliament.
It was a broad queltion of national liberality. Nu-
,,her of the other cafes mentioned, were brought-be
fore Parliament; but his Majetty, by his prerogative,
ordered compenfations. He believed his predecef-
fors in office would have done, in this inftance, ache
had done. after the length of time had elapfed,
namely. to have brought it before Parliament.
Dr. LAURENCE laid, he had never Peen the Pa-
pers till jun then.
Sir HOME POPHAM explained to tome points
of Dr. Laurence's fpeech. His anxiety for the gallant
Officers might have led him to ule throng words ; but
it never could have beets his with to ufe a threat, of
bit mexeing to lay any thing that ought nut to be
11 raid in that Houle.
Dr. LAURENCE difclaimed the idea of imput-
I ing to. the Hon. Baronet any intentional allithon its
the way of a menace, to the eifeets of a refirfal of this
grant upon the seamen ; lie only meant to fay, that
the Hon. Baronet's word, had that tendency.
Mr. WILLIAM SMITH ilyolglir, that whenever
a Britilh Houle of Commons wa. called upon to ante
away fach a turn, their difpolition to involigate the
rufous on which they were fo called, ought not to
be counterafted by the cape& ition of any other dif
to nn. The matter itfelt was of Itolicient impor..
tance. If he was to confult merely what, generally
(peaking, was due to the glorious exertions of the
Navy ; if he was to conftilt his own feelings for many
in that (orrice with whom he was conneeled, he
should not feel a moment's doubt as to the voting of
the money, and, indeed, he had come down to the
Houfe with a difpolition to do ; but, he mull con.
refs, that what he had already heard in the courfe of
this debate, had made a confiderable change in his
mind. He did not incline to think that the gallant
Officer had put the hutinefs on its proper ground.
He rather leaned to the Itatement of the Chancellor
of the Exchequer, that this was not a quellion of
right, but one of liberality. Now this was a vet y
good reafon for a little longer time for enquiry. The
quantum of the remuneration would depend up at
the danger, the importance, and the thilliancy of the
exploit. Then again, the gallant Officer had 'ad-
mitted, that the army .:re concerned in the buGnefs.
No one could poilibly ;smile the exertions of the Bri-
tt& Navy too much; no one could poflibly feel dif•
pled to pi...fe them mare highly than himfehf; butt
lardy, if the army were employed in that tronfac•
tion, we ought not to reward one branch of fervi:e
alone. unlefs any contiderahle realms% were given for
it. The papers might have been laid on the table
ever lince lath ).,nary. but that mere circumilance
did not fupp le every individual Memb:r to be ac•
quainted with them. It was not fo material to know
when the papers were firft laid on the table, as when
the notice wa, lit it given, which was but one or two
days back ; but that, in affairs of importance, was cwt

time enough, He thought there were groom!' fur
ficient to lead to a farther examination of the fubjeet,
and for that purpofe to u little delay, which, he
hoped,. would not be produdive of any ill conic'
guences to any of the parties. At the fametime, he
begged to fay, hat he was.forry to feel it a duty to
tnterpofe any further delay between the generofity of
the- Oldie- *ad the downtime of thofe who had
(erred it. The length of time that bad elapfed.rnight
have alma eattauded them, and " hope deferred,"
might make a the heart lick."
Admiral BERKELEY (poke sn fupport of the
motion, and (aid that the WWI' troops were ma-
riner, and that the other `troops were Neapolitans,
, Spaniards, and other foreigners.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER raid
he underaood that the flatement of the on. Ad.
miral was a jolt one. He &mild with to know;
whether the troops were entitled to the remuneration

as marines ?
•
Sir WILLIAM SCOTT gave his opinion, I n their.
favour. He likewife declared his conviaion of the.
equity of the wbole claim on the part of thofe whn
had been inarumental in a meafure, Which gave a
death blow to the French trade in the Mediterranean..
The Hon. Mr. KINNAIRD though: the convent
tion was binding in all refpeSs. It was Made by two
parties ; the one compofed of Frenchmen attached to
their Sovereign, the other of the Officer of the Britiai
King. He wilhed to kninv whether, in cafe of the
reitoration of the King of• France, thefe (hips would
be rebored ? Let it be confidered as a remunerationi,
and not as a claim due to the captors. He Ihould
therefore move the previous quenion.
The CHAIRMAN informed the Hon. Member
that this wal not a regular motion in a Committee.
Mr. JOHNSTONE obferved, that Lord Mulvey,
was at Toulon, and alked if it was intended to the
propofed diftribution of this prize.money that his
LorcHhip fhould (hare as a Marine ? The Hon. Mem-
ber laid, that rte underllood there were four regiment;
of land forces at Toulon, who were entitled to their
proportion of this remuneration.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEIVER ob.
(erred that it was to the troops concerned in taking
Fort Matsui that the remuneration would be gives.
Admiral BERKELEY laid, there were only two
regiments ferving as Marines.
Sir C. POLE obfervedi that the force which was
at Toulon under General O'Hara arrived after the
(hips were captured, and therefore had no claim to
any of this money propofed to be voted.
Mr. WINDHAM laid, that the dircorme had,
like moll others, given him Come infermatioe epoe
the que Ilion, but had dent nothing towards a decifion.
It was either a matter of right, or of liberality; bet
it was not a fettled quelliou, whether we gained the
(hips by a capture or a furrender. He remained ig-
norant of.that point. If his ignorance was peculiar,
he had better withdraw and avoid the deciGon. He
was for fome further examination.

The Hon. Mr. KINNAIRD moved that the Chair.
rut Ilionld leave the Chair, which was negatived.
The original motion was then put and carried.
THI RING'S 111155AG1. _ _

Mr. Secretary YORKE moved the confideratioit
of His Majelly's Met age, relative to the offers made
by feveral Regiments of Ira Militia to extend their
fervices to this Country.
Sir F. BURDETT immediately rofe to Rate, that
he wined to take the cornea opportunity of calling
the attention of the Houle to this Make, which he
thought involved conflitutional quellions of the high-
•ell importance. He would not now go into any
Idifeuffion on the banners, but willied it to be under-
Good that he fltoold on a future day bring the mat-
ter under conlideration.
Mr. FULLER willsed that, before any meafure
was even alluded to, it was bat fair that Minifless
thould have an opportunity of being heard in their
own defence.
Mr. Secretary YORKE thought that any Gentle.
Man in that Houfe matt rejoice at the noble, volun-
tary and fpontaneous offer of the Militia,
which was (0 fati.faelory a return for the equally
fpnntaneous and voluntary exertions of the Britilh
Militia, at a time when Ireland was in danger and
trouble. This was, however, only a pan of the ge-
neral me_fures for augmenting the difpofable force
of the country. to which ;matures he begged weal!
the attention of Gentlemen while he briefly adverted
to them. He fhould Rill take a Ihort view of the ac-
tual tiara of our military force, and compare it with
its Rate on ()dither t. • Sol, and April 1. 0103. He
took its afloat (late as made up March t. 1804.—
The total of the regular Cavalry, Infantry, arol Mi-
litia. being then 252,80 ; cumprifing 23,324 Ca-
valry, 130,167 Infantry, and 99,650 Militia, includ-
• ing Officers and Men. The Artillery amounted to
t 4,242. Now let this Se compared with Oflober the
t tit, !Sot, at the end of a ten years war. The
amount then was 266,895. and the Artillery was
12,287. fo that the deficiency of force at the end of
ten months was only 14,000. compared with the ar-
my at the end of ten years hoffility ; at that time
there was a g number of Cavalry, making
26,300 ; of letanny, 129.710 ; of Fencibles, now
dicCOntitlUed, 25.0f•.0. I of Militia, 79.37 a ; of Inva-
lids, 6,263. He withal the Houk to confider thek
Ratements before they liftened to the charge of want
of esertion. Nnw. on April the ail. 18422, there
were in Great Britain, of Cavalry 10,140, of lobo'
try 24,724, of Militia 47,232 in Ireland 3,760 Ca.
valry, •end 38,000 Infantry of all defcriptions, mak-
ing a total of 124,842. On the ill of (Mabee, ;Sots
the force in Great Britain was 170,426 ; April
1803, 124.84: I and March 1. aloe, 199,993 M.',
Now, in Ireland at that time then 'Jr
28.000 Militii, 3300 Fencibles, but only about
2,c00 Regul at. Now there ate 28•878 Regulalt
of Infantry, and in Great Britain and Ireland there
was of Regular Infantry 99,0c50. On the tfl of No-
vember, I Sot, there were not 50.000. There etre
fitiely, in haft war, time, of danger equal to the ow
(int. For inflame, in aBoi, when the Nr.rthern
League exified ; but it pleated God Almighty to
take away the Head of that League. He willed it
to be conlidered, that with our Artillery we had
200,000 troops, and to them were to be added the
numbers of our Volunteers. With filth means of
defence, it did not feem any very remarkable bold-
nefs to feel no very acute (gore of alarm. But the
Houle ought to know what .umber of men bad been
'aired during the laR ten months. The altar
amounted to 192,640. Theft ate eornpe&J of the
Btitifh Militia which had beat dabileded, saa664

lit
ti.s

of 70,076; the Ira Anti& tst,mi Marines. 50001
Seamen, 46,500, &c. ; and all this in a time of pkn-
ty, when provitions were cheep• and no manufac-
tures impeded. Let the country have the credit due
to its great exertions. As far as defence, futficient
means were provided ; but the only queftion that
remained *as, whether it were not defirable to ex-
tend the difpofable ofenfive force t The meatus be
meant now to propofe was, an augmentation of the
Regular Army. It had extended hitherto only to
the Cavalry and Font Guards t to the former of
which had been added sow men, and to the latter
33 Soo. It was intended to rail, two regiments of
Infantry of moo men each• and ten new battalions
Alb of moo men each, to be added to the old regi-
Meets of the line, nattily Infantry. It was intended
..to segment the body of foreign troops in our fervice,
,by aMblg eight ft:maraud men, though the ditfi-
tatty et obtaining fuch was very confiderable in
,the patent war. For American and Well Indian
Service. 4000 men were to be added. Thefe, with
.anriacts augmentations to the Cavalry, Artillery, Arc.
:Would amount altogether to about 40,000 men. The
melt point for confederation was, by what means
Such an augmentation was to be acquired, and by
trim collateral means the prefent regular force could
be rendered more difpoloble, for the pit-pole of fil-
ling up my void in the difpnfition, or application of
it in foreign (mice. It was not his intention to at-
tempt
.to bring forward any perceptible change in
the. plan of our military ettabliflnent, as it now
Rood, or to determine the point, whether or not it
would be proper to introduce into that tyllem a
li-
tithed fervice in point of time; that was a queflion
of the °molt importance: and though he entertained
his own private opinion upon the fubjeet, he did not
.think it proper to enlarge upon it in the prefent
inftance, it being a point which fhould be examined
by thole who were judges in military matters ; fuch
was the nature of the fervice in Auftria, Hungary,
and Silefia ; but the matter Was very different when
it regarded &4WD regulars.. On the fulled confide-
ration at to the mull dire& and immediate means
of encouraging &di an augmentation to our regular
force, in the prefcm fituationof the country, he was
of opinion, that the molt eligible mode would he to
remove, as far as potlible, all competition which in.
terfered in any degree with the general recruiting
*tyke. and to put an end to the high bounties,
which created not only a peat grievance, but affeEt-
ed the army in a material point, by encouraging
defection. He was awdre that tome Gentlemen would
be inclined to think fuch an opinion coming from him
was a great vidlory, but it was now only that he laid
any Arefs upon thefe mcafurea, after having already
fee the country upon a mon relpenaltle footing.—
The mullion then was. from whence did the great
Competition as to the recruiting it 'vice arite ? It was
firft, from the Militia, and fecondly, from the Army
of Referee. There had been a necetlity for endea-
vouring to raife the whole of the militia at once.—
The deficiency in the BIWA militia was -not above
s_ooo men, and in Ireland it was only about goo.—
He *Anted not to meddle with the Militia at all, or
to enter upon the fubjea of the competition which
arofe from them; he would allow the vacancies in
that fpecies of force to be firpplied 'from time to
time. As to the Army of Referee, however, al-
though the laws which conflituted that body were
molt ufeful and falutarr, yet confidering the pre-
lent fituation of the country, he very much doubted
whether it would be expedient to continue to the
full ace, the operation of dente Aas paired on the
6th of July, as to Great Britain, and upon the it th
of that fame month as to Ireland. That fyftem
had already gone on very rapidly. On the aoth of
Augufl. the &ft return from Scotland, during a pe-
riod of only three Weeks, was. that ts,stes men had
been railed. On the 33d of September, dining a
period of little more than two month, there were
railed in England 34,431 men, for the Army of
Referee ;—and about the beginning of November,
the number amounted to 25,459 men. Let any mar.
atk himfelf, by what other pooffilile means 25,000
men could have been railed in fuch a Ilion (pace of
time, arid could have attained an equal degree of dit
cipline. From the army of referee there had been no
lefr that t 0,646 men who had cnlitted for general fer-
lice. From theft circumilances, it was plain that
a great deal of mifapprehenfion had pre v,,iled upon
this fubjeft. If the recruiting had not been increal.
ed. he was convinced it had not in the 'Mallen de-
gree decrealed in confetrence of any menfures
adopted by Government. Notwithaanding all that
had been laid, therefore. agamn the Army of Re
terve. nobody could convince him that it was not, at
the time it was firll adopted, a laisetAry and prodeot
amain/. For the loft two or three Lion-hi, how.
ever, the Army of Referee had tint continued to n.
create in a limiter proportion, owing to the number
of delertions, which had got to a high pitch, particu-
larly in the neighbourhood of the metropolis, notwith-
Banding all the means the had been Wed to prevent
it; the bounties have not dimitothed ; and the perni.
eious and &tellable fe Item of crimping n ll prevail-
ed. and ought to be put a Ilop to. It would thus ap-
pear that the maleficient effeele 01' the lyttem were
about to increafe, while the der clis.ciu cff..ft, were
diminithed. Under all deck circtimltAnces he thought
that it would be advantageous to forpend the opera.
tion of the A& which tims railed men by ballot.
for the period of twelve months. I:e would not
propofe to repeal it, becaufe the doing to might
ale& the men already railed. ft would be proper
to wit a pecuniary compenlati-n from those ci•ein•
ties in lieu of the men they oug:ot to have tiertsilb
ed tinder the Alt, h-
R. 11(.„ as it now flood, impoksi
• fine of 601. for each man &fettles. He thought
it would be advitabk to toilpend the operation of '
that fyftem in Ireland for the tame length of
time. If the Honk would thus tufpend, for a limit-
ed time, thew A.Rs,dative to the Army of Refit ye,
it would in a great degree do away the competi-
tion which prevailed in the reel witing of the regular
army, by lowering the high bounties & it would put
an end to the fyftem of et impang, and would mate-
tually contribute to the key of the augmentation
which be proper-ed. Ellisnates of the whole summery
mien would afterwards be laid us the table of the
Honk. The whole fyftem of recruiting would thin
be in the has& of the Adasiainration of the country.
fro that the t.ounties would. in future, be regulated
aec,rd'alt to %iliac theuld be thought Writable. it
Lad beer, ale t s round proper to iterate bounty fixed
at a certain tar bath during tie tint. of peace and
vat, becauke ,area it coatiaacd atdatramosed. the

Mtn Wert always lying by, and when WAN! dirt
were encouraged tb defer tion. The bounty. &mild
not exceed the levy money of ten guineas. It. was,
however. Perfealy a military qbellion, and he defied
any man to get up and givt an opirriho upon the foll-
jeft of boonties..without being (killed in military
matters. He (poke from the information of others,
as to the proper allowance to be given to encourage
men to-calift into the regular army, fo as to increafe
that force to a high degree in a very Otort time. As
to the collateral means of augmentation which he had,
alluded to, theft meafures wooldiciperate by feting
free a greater quantity of the dirporable forced the
country. There collateral means were chore adverted
to in his Majefly's Maar. the availing himfelf of
the voluntary fervices of a limited number of the Mi.
litia of Irelands who may be difpofed t.' collie over
for the fervice of Great Britain. The Militia of our
finer Country were, fuch as vrould render infinite fer.
vice to the defence of the realm, for they were in
general poffeffed of a high degree of military ardour,
and had a certain isofiebalanee (to ore a French expref-
fion) about them, which tended to render their pa-
triotic exertions highly advantageous. We mutt
not, however, 1 're fight of what would be proper
to (upport and maintain.the garrifons of Ireland in a
fufficient (late of (tenth y. With a view, therefore, of
replacing them, he (heuld propofe to carry the frith
Militia tyftem up to what it was during the .aft war.
Their numbers at prefent were nearly complete,
being only defellive by about one hundred and fifty
men. Their total number, by the prefent Alt, was
only to amount to tkooo men; but in the lag war
they were augmented to the extent of allowing 70
or So men to each company, which would carry
the amount up to 25,000. He would propofe, there-
, fore, to fine to his MajeCty, the readiners of the
Houle to enable him to avail himfelf of the patrio-
tic offer of the Militia of Ireland, as he thought
' there could tie no difficulty in increafing that force
to the extent thought proper in IA war. He would
afterwards propofe to bring in a Ball for the purport
of enabling his Majelly to accept of the fervices of
the Irifh Militia, to a limited event, of about torooo
men, the increafe of which would be effeaed by the
adoption of the plan of lag War. He would alto
propofe to bring in another Bill. for the purple of
furpending the Army of Referee AO for a limited
time, both in Great Britain and Ireland. While we
purfued there meafures, we were not to lore light of
the aaual , slate of oar Yeomanry and Volunteer
Corps. By the lateß returns he had teen, and which
had been fent by General Officers. after aaual in,
fpeaion of fuch Corps. there were; upon the firft of
this prefent month of March, 27,000 cavalry,-4,000
artillery, and 300,000 infantry, all effective men,
and prefent on fuch infpeCtions. There, however,
were not completely armed, though he could Rate
that the majority were to, there not being above
so,ooo tii docks wanting. The whole of the mari-
time counties of England were completely provided
with arms. He thought himfelf jußified in laying,
that of the Infantry tyo,ooo might be confidered as
being at med with &clocks, and the remainder were
armed with pikes. He was perfnaded, that were the
enemy to land at this prefent moment, they would
find that the Volunteers were as good a body of men
as the Militia were during the IA war. Ultra then
was the Rate of dircipline of thefe Corps, Gentlemen
ought not to make ufe of.* fame arguments in the
month of March. iBo4,l4hich they bad formerly
ufed in the month of Augult, ttloy. There were
ay,ooo Sea Fencibles, who would render themfelves
to 'ireful even on board of tithing boats, with earro.
necks. as to render our invaders exceedingly fick.—
Mr. Yorke then concluded, by moving an Addrefs
to his Majefiy " returning him thanks for his molt
gracious Mefrage, alluring him of the anxiety felt
by the Finnic to participate in his feelings as to the
attachment and zeal teltified by the patriotic offers
of his loyal fubjeas in Ireland ; and that the Houle
would take meafures to enable him to avail himfelf
of (itch offers of fervice, and to grant Inch provifions
for thole Regiments of truth Militia which may come
into this country, as mightte deemed expedient."
Mr. PITT raid, he did not rife to oppole the pro.
pored aclrefs. which had been moved by the Right'
Hon. Gentleman ; nor did he rife to enter minutely
into the plan which had been laid down that night
before the Houle, becaure he thought that Inch men
fires would be more properly confidered and dil.
cuffed when brought forward in the shape of a bill.
He only rote to ezprefs his approbation of that fyr-
tem, which he had long walled to fee adopted. It
could not be contelled, that as far as numbers will
go in averting ordinary dangers, the great numbers
! of mess railed during this war were fufficient for the
purpole. The queltion, however, was, whether his
Nlajcily's Miniliers had made a proper application of
the population of the country, or called out a Cu&
dent military force to repel the threatened dangers.
and to provide for any kind of operations during the
continuance of the war ? As to that poet there might
exit. a oiterence of opinion, but as to the zeal and
! the clergy of the country there could he none ; for
there adorded a better pledge than even the fuperiu.
my of numbers, againd the dangers we had to en-
ci enter. While he joined in the propriety of aug-
menting our regular force, he did not with it to be
uoderfrood that he it all departed from thole opi.
mons he bad formerly 'speared upon the rubjea.—
He thought that the vacancies in the militia ought
I not to be filled up' with frelh recruits during the war.
' He heartily agreed in the propriety of preventing the
Militia read Army of Referee interfering with the re-
cruiting of the regular army. and the preventing
! enormous bounties. He approved of the plan. and
wilted the Right Hon. Gentleman every faeces ;
but he was not perfealy convinced of the propriety
of fufpending any part of the Army of Referee A.
bceaufe he thought it might be a channel by which
the !actuating might be encouraged. In the bra in.
Rance. men were always more deforms to enter into
a limited fpnie. of &rake, and when they have ac-
quired military habits and Centimes's. they are /Ally
invited. by a moderate bounty. to enlarge their ter-
vice' by caning into the regular army. He thought
it would be mach hater to new model the Army of
Referee. than to MOW its operation. granting. at
the tame time. a INserty to a (pinched number. to en-
ter into Ms regular army.
Mr. WINDHAM laid, he approved of the firft
pan of the &Liras proposid. hot Jifapproved of the
tall part lit, becaufe er was nothing let's than a de•
parterre. in a certain dem,. from keeping good faith
via the Manta tof lresad. Great incoureaiescs

' had been felt, when fimitar uteri were formerly en-
eouraged as to the Englifh Militia. It wasltraining
the engagement, and putting the men into an un-
pleafist predicament, beeanre it was really impolfi-
ble for individuals to rellrain fuch offers. It had 1
bad effca upon the temper and difpofition of fuch
Corps, and it was not fare to a& favours of military
bodies. A neceUlty would thus be created of tied-
ferring the reprices of to,ooo of the Englills Militia to
Ireland, when thought to he in a Rate of danger.—
He agreed as to a great part of the plan Rated by the
Right Honourable Gentleman, it having been long
very familiar to himfelf and many Gentlemen who
were near h.m. They had all been labouring for a
reduaion of the Militia and Army of Rcferve, to
take away competition, and decreafe the bounties,
by putting the recruiting into the hands of Govern-
ment. There were (themes which to him were aot
new. In his opinion, indeed, it appeared as if there
was a certain period for realon to come to maturity
on the part of Minifters, in the fame manner as they
would keep certain fruits fora twelvemonth, in order
that they might get ripe and lit to be ufed by there
Eight Hon. Gentlemen (A largh). He did not with
to enter into a dircuffion upon the plan now propofed,
nor to Rate at prefent wherein he (till differed from
the Right Hon. Gentleman, becaufe he thought the
only quellion before the Houfe was as to the propri-
ety of voting for the prefent Addrefs. For the few
reafons which he had thu, taken an opportunity to
Rate, he fhould vote an ameadment to that Addrefs,
which was, that indeed of the latter part theieof,
which went to enable his Majelty to avail shimfelf of
the offers which bad been made, there should be ftib-
llituted words, purporting, " that the Houfe would
I proceed to take the matter into confideration with.
lout delay."

Lord CASTLEREAGH confeffed that the fitua•
lion of the danger of the two countries at the two
periods, Was not exactly fimilar. He however would
intik that the frith militia owed a debt of gratitude
to this country for their former fervices towards their
country. Ireland could not be luppoled to be in
jilted in the nature of the effeetive force which was
left to defend her, when it was confidered that fhe
had now 4,000 regular troop. for her defence, in
eluding the cavalry upon that eftablithment. The
prelim plan was alfo particularly ceconomical, as it
would be recolleeted, that his Right Hon. Friend
bad fisted, that he col* meant to move fur an addi-
tion of 30 men to each company, by which plan there
would be a laving of the additional expence which
the officers of lath a body might occafion if they were
to be formed in detached corps. The bounties in
Ireland, for men to be thus mired, was not to exceed
four guineas in Ireland, whereas if they were to be
rail-ed by the ordinary mirk of balloting, and after.
wards providing Ifubtlitutes in England, each man
might in fome counties probably be railed at the ex.
peace of 4o or so guineas. The men here would be
railed in lush a manner with regard to the bounties,
and the nature of the fervice, that he was coo6dent
it would molt effedually prevent the interference of
one levy with the operation of the other. A Right
Hon. Gentleman (tented to triumph in the circum.
Rance of his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Yorke) having
altered fome of his opinions, but he thought it rather
a matter of exaltation to think, that under the ex-
traordinary preffure of the moment, fo large a body
of troops had been railed, and with fo (mall a charge
upon the public pork.
Mr. BASTARD hoped that the Right Uonoor.
able Gentleman (Mr. Windham) could not perfia in
his amendment, and maintained that the principle of
the Bill did not in the leaft interim with the fyllem
of the Militia in Ireland.
Dr. LAWRENCE declared that the flotation of
Ireland was not fuch as could afford the number of
'troops which were fpoken of being fent out of the
country. He was willing to accede to the ftrongetl
terms which could pcffibly be adopted with refpeet to
the loyal and generous offer of the Militiamen of Ire-
land, but he could not fee that it was equally politic
to accept of fuch offers now, as it was that of the
Englilh Militia in 1798, when it was evident that
every thing was wanting to truth and beat down a
violent and powerful rebellion in their country. If a
perfon was now to afk him in what part of the empire
do you moll want ten thouflind additional troop.? he
mull anfwer, in Ireland. And yet if he was afked
from what part of the empire are to,coo troops to
be drawn by hie Majelty's Miniflers ? he mull fay,
from Ireland, He knew that there might be borne.
thing of a doubt as to the propriety of buffering
all,ooo of fuch a force as are called Militia, to temain
in Ireland with a regular force amounting to only
about so,ooo. But this could by no means jullify
the witadraning of a diiiiplined force from a coun-
try which was particularly threatened with danger,
and fubltituting in its place a new levy of recruits.—
This fort of wisdom in Miniiter., together with their
vat inns alterations of opinion, he thought could only
be accounted coLfittently for by a comparifon with
their condlid upon a former occafion, where they
committed and re committed, and, to prevent the
ridicule of Inch re.commitments, waited two days, in
order to bring forward a volume of new claule..
Colonel HUTCHINSON &dared that the Ad-
&refs had his moll hearty approbation, 11, far as it
went with refptd to the Irith Militia. but he was
Corry to fee the word !weal in the refolution, when
he Was certain that the examen:as determination of the
Irith Militia might he del-ended on, it their fervices
were required. Howescu. their intentions were laud-
able and generous on their part, to aditt the Crown
in any part of the Empire, and to make a return for
the liberal affidance which had been afforded to their
country at a former perird. Would any foli.ery
man fay that it was confident vci,h fi•und petits to
withdraw difeiplined troop, from a country wltit.h
Was particularly and a-owediy threatened with an
immediate attack, and to place in their !lead the fame
number of raw, undifciplined trrtoro. ah;ch might
require two years bef tre they would arrive to an
equal date of perfation ? Was it wile, or was it jud
or politic. he would elk any country gentleman,
when a country was threatened w ith immediate Mys-
tics.. to withdraw 10.000 of as flue peafant y as any in
the world, from its native refources of defence, and to
withdraw along with them the Gentlemen of the fink
refpeltability in wealth or influence within that coon.
try, from the affluence which they could otherwifc
Alford it by their wifdnm.their power and their cortege-
-4101210 If England was limited as Ireland now isiwnoW
the country gentlemen of En :and think it reafonable?
He lase. that has Hajar'. llaia4crsdid ant pads the

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poWer to enforce the
lids force, but he implored did nottotrY
tonfider whether it would not birbetter to
a change of the Militia of the new Male
leave to,ooo recruits to be railed ht dkleitstiStait
equal number of well difciplined troops) Ail:bone 6b
be withdrawn from its defence. He had of 'Ni'moo
mended to his Majefty's Minifters c) inquire ise6 fhb
Rate of that country ; but unfortunately fora
people, and to the difgrace of the Miniftere they .
never thought fit to inquire into the bagadk-
was convinced, however. that, if a
enlightened part of this country, the
of the Militia, were ;o go over to rr
time of loch peril as the prefent, and wet' to
fh-uggles that would be made by the great •
of that people in the defence of their King aids
their Conflitution, they would, nay they stiall. eto-
fiftent with their own good fence, come hack whet
the contefi was over with a thorough convlllie• 00
their minds, that thofe people deferred better treat.
went than they had hitherto received from dm fee-
rants ot that Crown for which the! were ready d ,
face any foe,however formidable or however (peon*
might be his pretences. He would not confider bin•
ftlt bound to the fupport of any future meafure that
might be brought forward by the Bill ; but. nut. .
much as the Addrefs expreffed an Approbation'of the
loyal and gallant offers which had been made, he '
would for the prefent give his vote in rapport of it,
but wool.tat a future period declare his fentithents
freely with relped to any provifinn which might tend
to weaken the native defence of the country in a mo.
ment fir ittIOnTIATIT as the prefent.
Mr. BANKES raid, that what happened ie Plot
with refpeet to the extenfion of the fervice of the
Engli(h Militia to Irel;ind, he had then been among
a (mail number of that Houfe who 'had oppored it
upon conilitutional grounds; but in the prefent fitu-
ation of Ireland he thought that it would be more
becoming of the Houfe to vote that max) of oar
bed troops Should be fent there in additibn to any
force that might be at prefent in the country. The
vote of 1798 he fuppofed to be not only woman in
the principle, but to have been the means of inag
the recruiting for that clefs of our fortes ever
Mr. WINDHAM and Mr. BANKES ((vet* •
explained.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQ_UERtio
poled the amendments and in anfwer to what had
fallen from a Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr.Windbans)
in atierting that he was not an 'slier and warm fop.
porter of the meafure in the lei ware for enabling
hi. Maje'ly to accept the offers of revival regimes
of the Bridal Militia to ferve in Ireland r and dots •
fo far from eagerly fupporting that wafers, be had
Paid nothing on the meson, he could not bat en.
ceedingly regret that the Right Hon. Geatiensms had,
.on that ocenfion, fat fluent. inllead of (peaking shore
objeltions to the conflitutionality of the meafure he
had offered this night. His very lilence ea the fonnse
necafion was in proof of his approbation to it thew ; for
if he entertained the(' opinions on the former neon.
lion, which he had expreffed en the prefent, then bed
he aged very inconfiftently with his duty as a liensher
of Parliament I and after being filent upon the dee '
introduaion of loch a menthol. it ill became bine on
ezyrefs thole objeBions now. Bat whatever dlipe-
fitton the Houfe might feel to indulge the Right
Hon. Gentleman with a delay of this anafore, it
fhould not be forgotten that a prompt refpee was
doe to the gallant and patriotic ardour of the Iris
Militia ; for what mutt they think. on being told the
fci vices which they fo gallantly offered could not be
accepted without a breach of faith with them
Honourable Friend who bad laR fat down (Mr.
Bankes) who oppofed the meafure, did not fano to
obferve, that in approving the ardour of the hies
Militia on this occafion, and promiling to take inter
their confideration his Majelly'. recommendation.
the wording of the propofed Addrefs was extremely
guarded, and only propofed to enable his Majelly.,to
a certain limited extent, to accept their Cervices; but
Surely it . was not fitting that, during the whole pe-
riod of the approaching reed's, thofe gallant Militia
Regiments, and the Government of Ireland, through
whom their offer came, Ihould remain in Rif=
and uncertainty on this fubjed, and be left in
whether or not'the Parliament would enable his Ida-
jelly to accept their loyal and fpirited offer. As to
the idea, that there could be any intention fuddenly
to 'trip Ireland of to,coo men, nothing could be
more erroneous. The objet which Government Ind
in view was, that fo often defired by chore Gentlemen
who nowoppoled this meafure, namely, to let at liberty
a difpofable force of to,ooo men for offenfive opera-
tions. It was not intended fuddenly to withdraw the
whole of the to,occ from that country; but yaw
brought hither would let at liberty as many troop' 6(
the line from the eftablithment of this country, and
thole might be replaced by so,-.o of another fpecies of
force to Ireland, which would fet at liberty ;woo troops
of the iine there ton. But it was by nn swans Abe
intention to diminifh the ftrength of Ireland. It
had been nhjeaed, that the meafure of Menai%
jug the Ira Militia to the eftablifhmeut of bat
war, by the addition of thirty men per company.
would be a meafure of flow progrefs, bet he bad the .
bett authority for thinking it was one that would be
effected with the uttnoit expedition ; that it uas the
molt economical as well as the molt rapid mode of
increaling the public force in Ireland. and the (pee-
dick for effeSing the dilcipliae of Inch an additional
force. No time was to be loft t such certainly
would be loft by the delay propofed. The moll ge.
neral opportunity Should be given to the Irilh
tia regiment., on this occafioo, to manila* their
zeal, and &play their loyalty. He ur.derflood waft
I ~iimbers were ready to come forward with their
Cervices, and (m:y awaited the fatiftion of Parliament,
a fartftion which ought not to be withheld for a mo-
ment, and therefor, he gave his vote for the original
addrefs.

Sir JOHN NEWPORT fpoke with fervent es.
citation in the expreiGons tikd this night. by one at
lean of his klajetWs Minitlers, and he lived they'
all concurred in the Corr fentirnenth in vindication
of t?e loyelty of the great bulk of the people of Ire.
land, which certain perform. high in office in that
country, wholly ignorant of that people. sod per.
fuaded and mined by the Watt- advice of others. bad
thought proper wantonly and unfoendedly to afro*.
He believed there was no country in whie liras
were net to be found many, animist the lower pit
of the community. whoa hearts were dlthadkelloll
fettled Gave:lmm, sad irlivis etylaarprOMMlN