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he really httel so -posed the Noble Marquis alluded to him In
speaking of r.illc:.l chancellors. On the subject of tergiver-
sation, he could only say, he bad been in public life 40 years,
and no one could say he ever changed his political opinione.
Having been a public servant so many years, he c•rtainly
was entitled io think of the advancement of his Fells. As
to the apprehension entertained by the robe natquis that he
might be deprived of the office of (Antos Hotulorum by the
operation of the bill, he could assure hint that the Custos its
Ireland was not removable. The noble marquis could not
be removed. The noble and learned lord concluded by wb-
serving, that the bill before the house did not place in the
hands of his Majesty's ministers the power of choosing an
undue number 01 Lords Lieutenants of counties in Irdand,
as the noble marquis seemed inclined to think. The office
of Cuatos Hotulorum in Ireland stood upon a different basis
from that in England ; in Ireland the office remained at the
present moment as it was established under the Norman law ;
whilst in England it was removable according to the pleasure
the king.
Lord FARNHAM was in favour of the measure. It
was by no means a new one, but had been agitated eight or
nine years ago, during the ministry of the late Lord Liver-
pool. With respect to the office of Lord Lieutenant of Ire-
land, it would at the present moment be a hazardous expe-
riment to withdraw that office from Ireland ; and with res-
pect to the Lords Lieutenants of counties, these individuals
would be placed under the review of public opinion, which
would effectually, he was persuaded, prev.nt any abuse of
power. He confessed he should not like to see the govern-
ment of the counties of Ireland placed in Inc I hand~, and
he trusted that the power put into the hat th of the Irish
Lord Lieutenants of counties would be mire limited in its
extent than that of England.
Viscount MELBOURNE observed that the noble mar-
quis (Londonderry) promised last night tl.at he should ad-
dress their lordships, even at the risk t f being ir,egular
and the noble marquis had kept his word. He (Vis.• art
3leltiourne) had nothing further to urge as respected the
principle of the bill than this, that ke now wished to make
an altelaVon in the bill relating to the office of Cocos Rotu•
lorum, winch office he intended should be assimilated with
the name office in England ; another alterstion he had to pro-
pose was. that Vice 11.utenants of counties should have the
power of appointing eepaties.
The bill with these alterations, was thea reported and or.
dered to be printed.
The bills on the table were forwarded in their respective
stages, after which the House adjoured.

HOUSE OF COM3IONS.
The House balloted for Election Committees for Greitt
Grimsby and the borough of Monmouth. The Members
of the Committee were subsequently sworn at the table.
Mr. WEYLAND made his election to sit fur the county
of Oxford, and moved that a writ be issued for the bo-
rough of Wey ))))) uth, for which he had also been elected.
Mr. HUNT presented a petition from • mee.ing of the
working classes held in Portman market, for unive7sid suf-
frage. annual Parliaments, and vote by ballot.
Sir FRANCIS BLAKE presented a petition float North
Devon for two representatives in Parliament.
Mr. !W./IR IN presented a petition from the wine mer-
chants of Dublin, against any increase of the duty on wine.
Mr. LITTLETONA presented a petition iron' the
Staffordshire Potteries, praying for two NleitiL.ra of l'ar-
Lament.
Mr. M. O'CONNELL presented a petition from a person
named Hutton, praying that parliament might be helu alter.
nately in Ireland and England.
Mr. M. O'CONNELL presented u petition from Galway,
for the extension of the elective franchise to the Catholic
inhabitants.
Mr. FORBES presented a petition from HeLtone,
praying that they might be allowed to retain b th their
Members.
Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from a parish in
the county of Dublin against the vestry acts, arid • petition
from the Catholics of Athlone for a portion of the grant for
education ; and a similar petition from Batiagher ; and gave
notice that he would present a petition twin the Catholic
Prelates of' Ireland for a portion of any grant for education,
and presented a petition from the cuachniakers of Dublin for
a repeal of the Union.
Air. BODKIN presented a petition from Galway,
complaining of distress, and praying for a repeal of the
tax on marine insurance, and a peticon from 'roam,
praying to be allowed to send a representative to Par-
liament.
Mr. WILKS prevented a petition from the Society for the
Protection of Civil and Religious Liberty, praying fur the
abolition of all unnecessary oaths.
Mr. WILKS gave notice that he should in the Cvnsmitteo
on the Reform Intimate a motion that no Parliament al mill
continue longer than three ?ears.
Lord INGESTRIE presented a petition from the Clergy
of the county of Wexford, praying that the Clingy of the
Established Church in Ireliind might be enabled to collect
their tithes more effectually.
Mr. LA NI BERT said, there certainly was no liejudice
in Ireland in favour of tithes; (a laugh) but the laws In
existence were fully sufficient to enforce their collection.—
He had known Exchequer process issue for so small a sum
as 2k for tithes.
Mr. STANLEY said the subject was one of grit,: mag-
nitude, and must shortly press itself on the attention of
the House. (Hear, hear.) Chere was no subject more
anxiously under the consideration of Government than
the state of the Church in Ireland. He rejoiced to set
the Clergy of the Extublish,tl Church of Ireland come
forward to admit the difficulty of collecting tithes in Ire-
land. He should deceive the House if he said Government
had any specific plan under consideration for the settlement
of this most important, difficult, and delicate subject.
Mr. GRATTAN said it t :has could only be collected by
an armed force in Ireland, it was full time that Government
should take the subject into their hand,. He thought that
part of the church property and landed property of the county
should be applied to the employment and relief of the povr
of Ireland.
Mr. O'CONNELL said there was no resistance to the
payment of tithes in the south of Ireland. There was, in
the County of Kilkenny. where some of the Clergy refused
to enter into composition under the Composition Act. Such
a slaughter as took place at Newtownbarry would not re-
medy the evil. He should recollect the state of Ireland ;
there was the Bisheprick of Derry now vacant, worth
25,0001. a year. (No, no.) There were 96.1410 acres of
arable land that could be measured. The people were stare-
log in that diocese, while the granrin were bursting with
corn. Such a state of things could not exist.
Colonel O'GRADY said there tas no resistance to tthe
payment of tithes in the County of Lin.erlek, which he re-
presented.
Mr. MAXWELL sal I the yeomen at Newtownbarry had
not fired till they were fired upon.—(Cries of oh, oh.)
Mr. HARVEY said one thing was quite clear, that this
country, borne down by fiscal oppression, would never con-
sent that any Christian bishop should have 96,000 acres of
land on the pretence of inculcating the sublime principles of
Christianity. (Hear.) Nothing could tend more to injure
the progress of that sublime religion. (Hear.)
Mr. CONNEI.LY said there was such difficulty in col-
lecting tithes in Ireland, that he heard a clergyman of that
country declare in London, that he was obliged to borrow
money to leave the country, and that he did not know she.
ther he should be able to pay it. (A laugh.) He knew there
was an organized system to resist the payment of Bilks in the
county of Kilkenny.
Lord DUNCANNON said he could undertake to declare
that there was no organized opposition to the payment of
tithes in the county of Kilkenny. (Hear)
Mr. SPRING RICE said the Tithe Composition Bill
wu se long delayed, that it failed of producing i s efer.Tie
Right Hon. gentleman who introduced it (11r. Goulburn)
scoffed at it the year before he introduced it.
Mr. O'CONNELI. said, the yeomanry themselvees bad
sworn that they fired on the people without being ired on.
There was no officer would admit that he gave the order to
fite. Was he not justified in calling such a slaughter • mas-
sacre S There was not a word of commiseration for the
twenty human beings now in their graves, as if the blood of
the It itth peasantry was of no more worth than ditch water.
Mr. GOULBURN denied that he had scoffed at the pro.
posal for a tithe composition in Ireland. '
THE KING'S MESSAGE.
Lord ALTIIORP nuored that the House resolve itself
into a Committee on his hlajast)'s Message, recommending
a provision for the Queen, in case of her surviving his Ma.
jesty.The Howe resolved itself into the Committee.
Lord ALTHORP.said, be felt it was necessary to say
one word in support of the proposition he had to nuke to
the Houses They were all anxious to testify their loyalty
to his Majesty and their aespeet to the Queen. The provi-
silos made for the Quells of George 11. and 111 'was
100,0001. a year, and that was what he meant to propose at
present, with Booby Park for a mantrtresirksme, and Marti
borough-house foe a town residence. The noble lord moved
aecardirsly.