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obiotolloo sod i the pthlllwle olotisied se much in twee se ever. As
to dm selloood dein big a awe spun, that might be showy asp-
mot ; but let It bo toodhood that the treaty of Amiens required the
Wog of &shoats reelp_biodde to " Francs" It was net ,he spectre
—the oso•totity• -dm draw, which some imagined t and he would not
owed to *Whit the sod which %volved the ptluciple of the resole.
do sod todudeo. Them wove two or three words which he should not '
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111.. C.WA aid, be certainly had anielpated this direussion on
both aralloloo d the NI ; but the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had
not board of his klesties to espeeste the objcets of the bill. He, bow.
ever, mbeebted that thawing no ground for the objections that had
beam, semwhot wthathip, Mild. He then explained the objects of dw bill
FFardedilkotuallthades oaths before the Lord Steward, and the
a msa thsolowiendy entering the MOPS without Ant
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apparel Won the Lod Steward. He only wished to retain
**titan et the bin which regarded the taking of the (laths before
the Led UMW ; aid to that part no objection had been made. As
to the agpmat otthe Lund Gentleman respecting tha Act of Settle-
meat, bellitioslo, with Adams to the hon. member, that it was an
oases agebt trs Parlisonst an my that it bad rot the right to change
the Act of Marmot. its was surprised at the statement shout the
treaty of Asthma. No such stipulation was introduced there or in any
other meaty ; the this was voluntarily abandoned, as empty, melees,
aid eldiesism. ea the Saba of Ireland with England. The change
wok doe is JAM, bet sat is assequesee of any claim from, or clause
ghtizzloesty owl by Frame. Et was true the French had ossa
theid dot lt was degrading to the Kirg 9f France that the
=tea_ _ ld tlaalMas the tbiytleno means re of this bill.
The gamin lb. Ilamoteladelim required such stipulation ; why then
woo the Patersitoot le Is 110111111.4til front it ? The " usurance of
Ilsedod was a theloolho, ad elk oath. 11., like the hon. member for
Illlpsylls,hisi use teethMOM dist this subject would precede another
miss (memileg the dell it), and therefore be was not prepared to
Mows it 11*. Hs bodi so objeeties to the course proposed •to
swum the fttall ot the hll6wo that each subj-ct might UV in OW-
dent ameilmodoo. To dotard et the abjuration oath he should object.

Mr. FERGUSON mid the " assurance" was a declaration under
the Scads parliament, but rendered an oath by the British parliament.
Mr. PERCEV•L said, as the succession was limited to protemants,
this oath ought not to be hastily repealed.
Lord ALTHORP said the discussion had taken him as melt by
surprise as it could have done any one else; but as none objecud to a
part of the bill, he did not see how they could object to tit: committee
to separate the objects of the bill.
Sir C. WETHERELL observed that, according to the arguments
used, the oath of allegiance might as well be repealed. And it any M 312
doubted that the oath of abjuration was part of the revolution, he did
not envy him his scepticism.
Sir R. INGLIS said, his objections to the bill were so strong that he
must take the sense of the House on it.

Gen. OASCOYNR said, the oaths had been useful as security to the
king himself—that the Lord High Steward might inform his Majesty
what oaths had been taken : besides, what confidence could they nave
in the mover who found it requisite to separate the objects of the bill.
Mr. SADIMR said he would object to the bill. as it was calculated
to deprive his Majesty of a requisite solemn security in that house. His
Majesty had not a right to eater the House of Commons himself, with.
out committing a breach of privilege I and it would be Impolitic, at
this time, to abridge the security of his Majesty, particularly when the
timer, wee in that state which rather required that security to have
additional strength.
Streergere were ordered to withdraw for the purpose of the house going
into seditious; but after several hon. members had delivered their opi-
nions, and some explanation had taken place, the bill was suffered to
be submitted to a Committee of the whole house, when the Report
was reed, awl mama es be taken into consideration again on the 20th
Maury.

CIVIL LIST.
Lad ALTHORP, ppaannunaaont to his notice, that the Civil List be
submitted to a Select Casmittee, rose, and after a brief allusion to the
memorable event connected with the last time that the Civil List had •
been brought before the house, in which he adverted to the different
points on which the division of opining bad then rested. pneeeded
to state, that he bad as much as peseible andeavoueed to follow the
mans that bed bees pointed out by the position on the former
' occesien. The haws list bed contained many items not at all
connected with the puma comforts of his Majesty ; in the present
list it bed been eadeavomed to avoid that objection. The former list
' was divided into ten classes, that which be had to propose was only
divided inse lye cheese. The let, his Majesty's Privy Purse, and
fm btr
Nai128,68 Queen I SI, the Ohms and Servants of the
Oilleers. the Lord Steward , &c. 4th,
MO asondes and Chao ds@ titb, reasiews. The noble lord remark.
ei Oil It was absebstely aseamery far the personal comfort of his bla-
tir=iti duet he should be placed on a certain footing, to
Inderesdent of the Houses of Parliament during
Ibis nip 8 and this bed been fully attended to in the framing of the list
that he (the Debbi Lord) bad to present to the house. In the first class
then no sharedes hed.bees meth I It allowed 60.0001. for his Majesty's
privy purse. and IMAM tor the Queen The second class, in the for-
ma list, was MISPIIII. Ida. the resist was 120,3001. The noble lord
Was desirous to peke oat that the dlilbeence Odes two amounts was rot
to the fall a divert ativizcas:: expenilkare ; but that thelbalmies to the
Surveyor-General of smi WAkan and servants, had been trans.
tested to the Candliedi g that thewediter of the Civil List had beta
=raa e a medese elm and sue An midi be comprehended In
tio of desTecesney Boost the *hi dose, the Noble Lord said,
had bees looked into, and considedng tee nee of expense of living,
it had bees considered that at the peiee of ankles of cotsump. •
Lion, there was no passibility of the allowance, unless a more
ccooomic male was adopted by the retinue of his Majesty, by
the
which he mom alter his style of ; and his establishment was
now much lorreseed on account of she addition of a queen consort.—
The hardy Royal Bounties and Amides. was much the same as the
former list. The grossest alterative one in the Fifth Clam, Pension.
en, which by the forme list was divided Into three items—the lists of
Right* Ireland, mod Scotland individually, but the present list coo-
lpolluted the three into one, at the sum of 76,0001. It was ne-
cessary to clash this elms mere particularly. The difference of
Ithe ammo la the coosolidated shape was sot to be reckoned se being
lo the room of the three farmer Items • for although the objects bad
bees comelidated ender the bead of the evil list. another arrangement
was cootemplated that divided the calculation. It would be unfair to
' tie up his Majesty. that be might au have the power of rewarding
merit by venting penslems, to a amain extent limited. The Noble
1 Lard (Abbacy) here reeapitulated the extent of royal prerogative in
Idling up the vacancies by death en the pension list which had h-
i therto been entirely at the direction of the Crown. By the pr. Wit li.t
111 was amassed that to obviate this power it was propo,ed to ge-
tstrict the *umber of pensioners on the civil list to seventy.lve of
the swain . sad tbe other junior pensioners were to he Iran.-
; tarred to tar Cooselidated Fund. HI. Lnedsbip here point's! out be
lvas crated advantage of the calculation that the reservation was sa-
hint for the Femmes of the liberality of the Crown ; and din.
with respect to sundae peasioaers. they bring smelled to the I vo.
soaked fend, as say vacancy might occur, the eleath must coast.
Evoyd aloe Were the house. and tie amount so relieved be at its
. It might be urged by some. that on the pension list oar.
I densely• peat mein ha might ys been effected, of which the Debi'
had was well convinced. and that all grants of pensions had expired
at the demise et the Crown; but although Government could en.
teddy resume them en a legal right, they could not rake !hem en
lordseble right, as all nth allowances were granted for life. The
poser of the graded speestien from the transfer of the junior pen.
dews to the conolidated fund, would enable the hours peaces.
Wooly to COM the evil. On the whole list there did rot appear to he a
pat envies but the Noble lord amoral the house. that from a diligent
eampadoen, ohne was diativaties in the civil list for al the tun.
pease embossed is the statement. of 20.0001. and the meat Oa
mismat diethedea bewail the fernier and the pester list, was,
that new soly MINIM was MO Ia the power of the Close, noted of
SWIM. short 11111.111101. would this be left at the disposal of the
knee, which wield ttttlnnatel be a saving, se they would have tee
mitred tithes pe.Unre.The ante lord looked upon_ it as being set
sivaiting ge dig owls* a s:ajesty, seeing that so many hems bed
been imam's& litho the head et she civil list, that wee not esciessary fee
die sensfort ef his Majesty, sod that be would be relined flan the le.
spenellibiy. The noble led end, be had we obeervadoet to make,
which, aidesegb not emalog under the bled of the civil list, was needy
related to k. It had bees the among to allow a grant order the name ,
of Sings ont for a Queen; themes of 64.00111. had been granted as an
oath to Cbseistse, uses dewy the Third, and a suitable greet
was also allowed fee Qum Oasolise ; mad it would me have lem
'mains& by the present mildewy bed a similar grant been demanded
For the poem. Omen The he ministry bad entertained the same idea,
Ise the Dike of Iffelliagma did not deem it unreasonable that such a
rsitzig leold be wade. Ito oeble hod expressed his gratihation in
the lessee that Ms present Majesty had, unoLcited, refused
so Nov any mob won he the Quern—(H. i) His to m-
amba with ei maw on the conduit of his Majesty, who was, do,
epreally, ens of the meet popular sovereigns who had eves sod
who was ashes so neernmend himself so the love of a lopeople by
thing all that be amid he the beige of the country.
1 Mr. GOULBWRN nee, and said that the pain so wheal the
Hone had split is evince as the Oen List, tiesiog the lase ed.
Inielstratiele bobq leowilet below tbs Ifloose, Igoe wbahog ot oat tbe
List &weld be Mora tad to he lielarker to ablate Cbsosiltteet Me
(Mr. Goolbone) was glad dot tee Wale awoodlle of the
W comsnerad grids his in epeeists. that lime lb. dwilb2ll:er
Itobast of the Crowe. for ear doe baba we dNarre we diessesteor.
the ~me of esgoodog the dame hew of the 2:
List, the sable kid suet be worelesod lbw be bad hearten
she Mug-ostalMished ow of he weefity.bp fleierforkig with the =
oseeferesofide Majesty. sod Maytag the peoutidea tee the civil
ant lobo brought lam she Parilement ewer pear; bet As hiSh
lard wed* lad it Minds to beep the divWoa *edam beaus
wine was he she eanhe of his Slopety, was to may b-
eams on ekes* easel wit! what Was oembostod ithla the

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