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London, England, 1830-07-01 00:00:00

HIS MAJESTY'S MElldAllt.

Sir R. PEEL moved the order of the day fur taking into con-
sideratioa the King's Message.
The Clerk of the House having read his Majesty's Message,
Sir IL PEEL said, he rose for the purpose of calling the atten.
don of the house to that part of his Majesty's most gracious message,
which expressed a hope that the house would make the necessary
provisions fur the intones/ that would elapse between the termina-
tion of &at present and the opening of the new parliament. Ile
could not proceed without first expressing his ,ease of the respectful
fotbearance withwhkh the house had been pleased to limit itself to the
consideration of an address of condolener, and the manner in which
every thing had been avoided that could excite debate on tie ex-
pension of hostile opinion. It was know, to the House that by
the demise of his Majesty It devolved on the (tovernment to give
their advice as to the course which it would be fitting to adopt for
the dispatch of the public business. According to the ancient law
the demise of the Crown was the termination of the Parliament,
hence the rule on the subject laid down in Blackstone,' (not.
mentaries. By the Acts of the 7th and Bth of William, how-
ever, it was provided that, notwithstanding the demise of the
Crown, Parliament should continue to sit, unless prorogued or
dissolved, for six months. The cause of this enactment was ex.
plained in the preample, which stated that the object of the act
was to provide against either a foreign invasion cr the acts
of wicked and evil disposed persons. (Hear, hear, hear.)
It might be said that this Act of William was hut a temporary
Act. That was not, however, the fact, as its provisions were tr.
peatcd in a statute of Anne. But whatever might have been the
circumstances that led to that enactment, it would be a question fur
his majesty's government on the demise of the crown, whether it
would not be prudent at once to dissolve the parliament, or
keep it in existence if circumstances should require its delibe-
ration? With reference to the procetslino at p.escat before the
house, it was considered that it would be more ad; isable to dissolve

the present parliament than to continue it any longer.
tees, therefore, advised a communication to the purport of tin message,
and it would be fur the house to make such temporary provision
for the conduct of public business as would he requi.ed. It could
not be questioned, that although circumeiances might require the
sitting of Parliament for a continuance of its deliberations, yet, un
the whole, the inconvenience that must arise from such a course,
and the expense, not to speak of the effect which designing per.
suns might produce on the free and unbiassed opinions of the
thaws, would go a great length to spew that an immediate dis-
solution would be preferable to a fur:her protraction of the ses-
sion. Way, the Howe must know, would have a corrupt rather
than a beneficial tendency, and would place the present Members
under adisedvantage which, In fairness; to them, ought to be avoided,
u it would give the parties, by whom they might be opposed, an
opportunity of berg on the spot, and of devoting their whole atten-
tion to the accomplishment of their views. The consult:es:cc in
fennel times of a protraction otthe sitting of Pariiament had been a
want of sufficient attendance of members to proceed wish the public
business, and instances wereanbe found in the jeer.•als of the house,
where letters were obliged to be dispatch. d to the elteriffs in require
the immediate return of the sitting members to London. to tot..nd to
their public duty. On these grounds, therefore, u.dcas, indeed,
some special circumstances were urged, It could not be deukd this
It would be meet conducive to perfect fairness and in:p ertiality, that
the prerogative of the crown shc.uld at once be exercised, and
a new Parliament should be convened at as early a period as possi-
ble. The house were aware that since the Act of Anne, in various
instances, different courses had been pursued, and that in the reigns
succeeding that of Anne, a message had on each occasion been sent
down to continue the Parliament until the necessary rarangementa
should have been mode, for the disposal of the civil list, which re—
quired considerable time, not only in the proposing, but going
through the details. Little difficulty was ever .xperieneed in pass-
ing the necessary bill on this subject, and to prove this, he had only
to state that Queen Anne died on the Ist of A ug.1714. that the bill
Meting to the civil lists was brought into the Commons on the 10th,
sun to the Lords on the 17th, returned to the Commons the 10th,
and Parliament dissolved as the ?bib of the sante month. With
realm to the settlement of the civil lista, however. it was most (re-
missible that government, se whose responsibility it wuuld of courts
he Impend, should have an opportunity of fully deliberating upon
sr Ns and the- ise beat should also have sufficient time logo
lie detain '. lee eels, in fart, three civil lists for cans'.
Inilead, dist fir Scotland, and that hie 'bib coon.
try, and there wine toweled with than several matters which
sunk slat of alteration mid Improvement. Many of the public
lifiolianelos were paid pardyeut of ewe or the ether of dine lista,
mei
mbr priZeier of the =mandated hind ; nth, astemea,
ma dro ad the = a the Outs Wianging amy. But
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beam the Chandler et the Rzeheepsw, whew paid from no
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List, front the ContioNatcd Fund, from certain Fees, and from
Pulinmcniary emolutnents. Ail this would show the necessity
that ample tine should be afforded to his Majesty's Government,
bs Cure they were called on to propose any plan, or before these lists,
.0 which he had alluded, mold he properly arranged. The
orecedente which might he adduced for contirming the Parlia-
ment until that ; onion of the public bosinesa should have been
get through 1.-,.re not binding, end after the beet considcra-
• ton, It wrl t ;lough t more advisable to defer them than go on
-ith them, particularly as the preparations for the election
would require time. In the present instance his Majesty's
llinistent pmposed adopting the course pursued in 1820,
although they had no doubt whatever that parliament would act
with their trend liberality towards his majesty, by concurring in a
grant commensurate with the ease and splendour of the monarch,
and consistent with the principles of economy, which were necessary
.0 he observed no all occasions when the public expenditure was
concur-ed. Parliament was now differently situated from that in ex-
istence in 1820. Then it was a parliament of only a year and a halt'.
This a as a fourth years' parliament. Ilia present majesty had
never before administered the ditties of the crown. Those
circumstances justified the suspension of parliament almost im-
mediately ; but he would not deny that the question was
one of difficulty. The honourable and learned gentleman
(11r. Brougham) adverted to en omission in the king's
slcseace. That omission must have applied either to the question
of the civil list or to that of a Regency.—The last question was one
of great difficulty and delicacy, but it was the opinion of his Ma-
jesty's dent, after serious consideration, that this question ought
to be postponed. It was indeed a most important subject. The
heir to the throne was the presumptive hcir, and was of minor
years. The question was, would they separate without making
provision for the throne, in case of a royal itemise ? Nothing in-
volved more serious consideration, or ought to be treated with more
delicacy. The country, with respect to a Regency, was nut in the
same state as in the years 17h1 and 1762. In each of those years the
heir to the throne was Heir Apparent. By the Act of 1751, the Prin-
cess Dowager of Wales was made the guardian to the infant : (hear.)
In 1762, parliament empowered his Majesty, George 111. to name
a Regency, but restrained him with respect to the persons who
should compose it. He, however, thought that the difference be-
tween the periods adverted to end the present, pointed out that un-
der the circumstances a permanent regency was not obligatory.
But then there was another question. Shall we separate without
making a temporary provision—(hear, hear), in case of the
demise of the Crown during the disaelution of parliament?—
During the reigns of Henry the Third, Richard the Second, and
Henry the Sixth, the heirs to the throne were all infants urs.
der eleven years of age. It was after their accession to the
throne that Regents were appointed ; but, since the revolution, the
proceeding was altered, and provision was niede in case of the
demise of the Crown. Ile hoped he hail treated the subject with
the delicacy that belonged to it. They all joined in the hope that
it would be long before the necessity of such a thing as a Regency
should arise. It might be urged that a temporary provision might
be made respecting the Regency of this kingdom ; but he (Sir R.
Peel) was decider ply of opinion, that such a provision would be
highly inexpedient, as it would fetter future arrangements, and ope.
rate as a restriction on the future deliberations of Cie Government.
He trusted he had said enough to convince the house of the expe-
diency of his Majesty not recommending any temporary provision
to be made respecting the Regency. lie dill not think it necessary
to say any more to induce the house to accede to the Address which
he should propose in answer to his Majesty's message.—(Hear,
hear.) —lt the house should acquiesce in the Address, which would
be to make a temporary provision fur the public service until the
next meeting of Parliament, they would proceed immediately to
the dispatch of public business, and to postpone until the next Ses.
sion such questions as would create a long discussion. The mea-
sures which he meant to have passed this Session were, the Sale of
Beer Bill, the Courts of Justice Fees' Bill, the Officers of Courts
Compensation Bill, and the Spirit Duties Bill. This Bill, the right
hon. gent observed, would bring into consideration the sugar duties,
which had already created long and serious discussion. As the
sugar duties would expire on the cith of July, he hoped that the
house would enable government to collect these duties. As there
had been a large minority against the resolution proposed by govern.
merit respecting the sugar duties on a former occasion, they should not
press these resolutions at present ; but as the additional duty proposed
to he impact] on runt would operate against the sugar planters,
Government intended to make an actual reduction of hs. per
cwt. on East India sugar, and 3s. per cwt. on West India sugar.
The total ainoufit of reduction in taxation in this year would be,
including the beer, leather, and sugar duties, 1,750,0001. the sum
ga,netl by the 6d. duty on spirits, 400,0801. being 1,350,0001. un-
provided fur. The right lion. gentleman then prot.ceded to say that
he should not press during this session the Consolidating Stamps
Bill, or the hills relating to the appointment of an additional Judge
in Chancery, and the .plasters of Chancery Bill (cheers). He hoped
that the bill relating to the administration of justice would pass in
this session. lie should propose that a vote of credit should pass
to make a temporary provision for the public service until the next
meeting of Parliament. In that vote nothing should be included
relating to the civil list The right hon. gentleman concluded by
moving the Address, which was an echo of the Message.
The Address having been read from the Chair,
Lord A IaHORP observed that the right lion. gentleman had
witched on several constitutional questions, which deserved serious
conaitleratiou. His lordship thought that it was very proper that
constituents should know how their representatives had voted re-
specting the civil list before any election should take place, and,
consequently, lie should be better pleased that the civil list had
I ecn arranged before the dissolution of Parliament; but he did not
lay so much stress on the civil list as he did on the Regency ques.
lion. He thought that Parliament took a great responsibility on
-.lleinselves, if they did not come to a conclusion on that subject as
soon as possible. The noble lord had complained of being called
upon to vote on the Address before they had time to consider the
propositions made by the right hon. gentleman. He would suggest
the propriety of postponing the further consideration of the subject
until to-morrow. The noble lord concluded by moving the poet.
ponement of it until to-morrow.
Mr. BROUt i HA M, on rising to second the address, would not
second it, if he thought it possible that an adjournment would be
construed into a mark of disrespect towards his majesty. He should
prefer following the precedents of the three preceding reigns, regard.
ing the settlement of the civil list, which in his opinion should be
done tativir before the representatives met their constituents than
after; for he was sure that there was no expenditure watched with
more jealousy than that which regarded the splendour of the throne.
He ( Mr. Brougham) therefore thought it highly important that there
should be a cordial understanding between the throne and the people
on that subject, satisfied as lie was that such an undentanding
would redound to the comforts of the crown. Ile was aware that,
i:i some former reigns, the course now ?reposed on behalf of govern-
, 'tient had been pursued; but, in his (Mr. Brougham's) opinion,
the course which he recommeuded would be preferable. With re.
gard to the question of Regency, he should regret such a calamity
as would deprive us of our Sovereign before the heir.presumptive
came of age ; but it became the House to take care that the State
should suffer no embarrassment through any omission in making a
provision respecting its government. The hon. and learned gentle.
man then adverted to the anomaly and inconveniences which would
arise if the legislature should be compelled to make laws without the
assistance of a Sovereign, which would be the case if no regency were
appointed,and the King should die before the heir presumptive should
arrive at mature age. lie then pointed out the absurdity of a child, 11
years of age only, appointing her own guardian ; for it would not
be in the power of the house to interfere with the government of that
child, if they did not do it while the King was in existence. Under
such circumstances he disapproved of Parliament separating before
they appointed a regency. He agreed with the right hon. gentle.
elan that a temporary regency should not be appointed ; such a thing
Was opposed to precedent and common sense. A limited monarchy
held out one inestimable blessing, which was, that it prevented a
dispute respecting the succession. Then, in looking to the state of
otraita, if the present King should die during the minority of' the
Princess Victoria, the house had a right to consider the Duke of
Cumberland as the heir presumptive, and without reference to
the conduct of that illustrious Duke, the house should acknow.
ledge hi, Royal Highness as Regent, if they were to be guided
by the precedent laid down by Mr.-, Pitt. But there was
such a thing as the Salique Law in Hanover, which pre.
vented females front succeeding to the throne, and, consequently,
that noble duke would be king of Hanover. Then would come the
question whether the house should be so far guided by precedent as
to appoint a foreign Prince Regent ? He called on the house not to
assent to the dissolution of Parliament before they came to some
conclusion on this subject. It was a matter of serious importance,
:md talked of in every part of the town. If, possibly. they should
come to seine general understanding respecting the course which
they should pursue, was it not fit to let his Majesty know what
were the setintents of the house on the subject ? There were many
subjects proposed by the right hon. gentleman which required some
deliberation. Some members wished to postpone one measure, some
another, according to their prejudices; it was, therefore, highly ex-
pedient to postpone the further consideration of the address until'
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The question and amendment having been put from the Chair,
, Sir C. WETHERELL had no objection to the proposed tem.
porary provision for the public service, since it did not include any
item for the Civil List ; but, with regard to the postponement, he
thought that hon. Members should have an opportunity of cond.
dcring what course they should adopt respecting the Address. He
thought that the question of Regency should originate from the
('roan, and, without anything relating to that subject being before
the house, either in the King's Message or otherwise, we are called
lict to settle the question of Regency until the next Session.—
Would the right honourable Secretary tell the house what would
the consequence if his Majesty should die in the mean.
f o,Yle ? 421111 d dettcareelet. Should this . miner in/
take

pen in her hand to sign a bill, appointing her own guar-
dian, and hills of various kinds ? The honourable anti learned
gentleman then proceeded to say that no time should be lust in ap-
pointing a regency. This question was introduced in the house
without any previous notice ; he therefore thought dint the funher
consideration of the address should be postponed until to-morrow.
It was a subject of delicacy to discuss who might or might not be
regent; or under what circumstances and on what terms a regency
should be appointed. He would make no arrangement respecting
the postponement of the question of regency for any period, lest
some serious consequences should result from it.
Sir R. PEEL denied having entered into any compact with
honourable members respecting the measures which he should
postpone or bring on, as asserted by the honourable and learned
gentleman.
Mr. WYNN would sot now discuss the prop iety of a dissolu-
tion of Parliament. Ile saw no reason why this Parliament should
tint proceed to discuss the civil list and the Regency as well as a new
Parliament, as had been the case with all preceding, until the acces-
sion of fho. IV. He had a strong objection to the postponement
of the subject of the Regency. It would be deemed imprudent in
the father of a family to defer till a future day making arrange-
ments for the guidance of his family, when he was in a condition to
make such arrangements. There was no provision in the common
law declaring at what period the King or Queen should be entitled to
exercise Royal authority. The ;right hon. gent. then adverted to
the inconveniencies which would arise from the demise of the Crown
before a Regency was appointed, and implored the house to decide
that question before they were dissolved, as the surest way to avoid
the evil consequences. The right hon. gent. concluded by support-
ing the amendment.
The Marquis of CHANDOS, in allusion to that part of the
right hon. secretary's speech, which related to the West India in-
tercet, was surprised to perceive that, after all the professions of the
government respecting the relief which they intend to afford to the
West India interest, that what they now proposed was no relief at
all. The West India interest declined the proposition of the right
hon. secretary, and he (the Marquis of Chandos) should oppose it
when brought up.
31r. H. DAVIS felt much obliged to the Government for the pro-
posed reduction in the sugar duties, and hoped they would carry it
further next year.
Mr. GORDON perfectly coincided in what fell from the noble
marquis. The relief offered was no relief at all. In fact, there was
no benefit to be got front government except by agitation. The
Irish distillers got rid of the proposed spirit duties, and the Irish
at large of the increase of stamp duties by agitation.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, with respect
to the sugar duties, he admitted it would be advisable to postpone the
consideration of them. But he could not consent to the postpone-
ment of the present question for 24 hours, as suggested by the no.
ble Lord opposite. He thought that the arguments of the hon. and
learned member for Knaresborough showed that he was as well pre.
pared to enter into the discussion of granting to the Crown a sum of
money to meet the expenses of the State between the dissolution of
the present Parliament and the assembling of the new ono now, as
he would be in twenty-four hours, and he thought Parliament could
as well enter into this subject now as at the time proposed. He saw
no urgent reason for the consideration of a permanent Regency now ;
nor did lie see the force of the objection to the dissolution of Parlia-
ment, used by the hon. member for Plympton. From the indistinct
manner in which the rio,ht hon. gent. addressed the house, and the
disturbed state of the house itself, it was almost impossible to catch
his observations clearly.
Lord MILTON said that there were many reasons why the time
called for by his noble friend should be acceded to for he thought
the right hon. bast. (Sir R. Peel) had left many things unexplained.
—Unless the amount of the money wanted was stated, he could not
support the question. The House of Commons were not informed
precisely upon the subject of the Beer Bill. Ile saw good ground
for postponing the further consideration of the question before the
House, until more explanation had been given, respecting various
measures before Parliament. He hoped the Ministers of the Crown
woul explain the details of the measures which they intended to
propose ; if not, he should certainly oppose them.
Mr. HUSKISSON was satisfied that, under all the circum-
stances, it would be wise for the present to postpone the con-
sideration of the sugar duties. But this was the only part of
the observations of his right honourable friend the Chancellor of
the Exchequer that he could agree to. He was in favour of the
delay asked- for by the noble lord opposite. The message of his
Majesty said that his Majesty was unwilling to recommend any
new measures to the consideration of Parliament, fearing it would
be detrimental to the community did he do so. But there were not
many questions before the House that ought to be seriously con-
sidered before the Parliament should be dissolved. With respect to
the question of a Regency, he could assure the Ministers that
he could name many persons in office, not certainly Cabinet
Ministers, who yesterday believed that a Regency would be pro.
posed to the House by the Ministers of the Crown (hear). It was
his feeling that such was the case. Indeed, wagers were offered upon
the subject and taken. lie admitted that the question of the Re-
gency was one of doubt anti difficulty. It appeared that the minis-
ters were not prepared upon the subject, and therefore thought it
ought to be postponed. If this was the case wills respect to minis-
ters, was it not reasonable on the part of the house to claim a delay
of 24 hours to consider the same important question ? It was argued
in favour of a dissolution of Parliament, that unless it took place im-
mediately, new candidates would be in the field, considerable sums of
money would be expended, and all this would have a corrupting
tendency. But, admitting the force of these remarks, were they to
be weighed against the fearful possibility of the demise of the crown
during the dissolution of parliament, and the want of propel care
to meet such an exigency. lie hoped, in common with every mem-
ber of that house, that no such calamity as that which would be
guarded against by a regency would Wel the nation. No wis-
dom, however, could 'truant against such a calamity. It was
the duty of parliament to see that every care should be taken in
such a case. He agreed with the suggestion that the civil list
should not now be considered. It was also suggested that all the
measures that had been under the consideration of Parliament dur.
ing the session should be abandoned. What will be the character
of Parliament under such circumstances, to bring forward measures
and then abandon them ; measures, too, recommended by the Crown
oo the first day of the session ? Why was Parliament thus to stul.
tify itself ? He condemned Government for resorting to the (Liao.
lotion of Parliament to enable them to get rid of measures that had
not gone on as they could have wished. If Parliament were dis-
solved without a provision being made in case of the demise of the
Crown, on the heads of the ministry would be the consequence,
should any thing fatal arise. Ile did not think that an infusion of
200 or 300 new members into that House would make it more wise.
Mr. BRIGHT adverted to the disadvantage which parliament
suffered, in consequence of the act obliging the houses of parliament
to dissolve within six months after the demise of the crown. He
thought the act should be considered by parliament, and modified.
He thought it would be inadvisable to dissolve without considering
the subject of the regency. lie agreed that the question of the civil
list could be delayed. He thought the country was not properly
treated, either with respect to the Beer or the Forgery Bills. Ad-
verting to the subject of the sugar duties, the hon. member said that
the mercantile world were any thing at all but satisfied with the
view taken of those duties.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER also thought that
the present was a most inconvenient period for dissolving the Par.
Raiment, as it would make the elections take place at the time of the
circuits. He was in favour of the delay asked by the noble lord.
Mr. LENNARD supported the amendment.
Lord J. RUSSELL could not allow so important a question as
that before the house to be disposed of without saying a word or two
upon it.—(Much confusion.) The noble lord thought that at that
early period of the evening, it was too much for members to be im-
patient, when so momentous a question was before the house.—
(Hear.) In the proposition of the right honourable gentleman op-
posite, there was nothing of state necessity, nothing of constitutional
principles advanced for the course proposed of dissolsinr Parlia-
ment. Nothing was considered but the convenience of hon. gents.
with respect to the elections. If he waived the consideration of the
Civil List, it was because there was a more important question that
called for the deliberation of Parliament, that question was a Re.
gency. He did not see why Parliament should dissolve without
making preparations for the possible demise of the Crown. The
same course was adopted by Parliament in the early part of the reign
of Geo. 111. AVhile he admitted, generally speaking. the efficiency
of ministers, he yet must say, that with respect to the members of
the ministry in that house, that they were anything but efficient, and
this was observable with respect to the sugar duties, and the ques-
tion of the Equity Judge. He was also much astonished at the op-
position given by the noble duke at the head of the government to
the Galway Elective franchise Bill. Upon the whole he must say
that the ministry had not his confidence.
Strangers were for the second time otdeted to withdraw. when
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Sir R. PEEL said that the question the house had to decide was
this, would they grant a vote of credit to his majesty, or would they
agree to postpone the subject for 24 hours, to consider the pro_
propriety of having a permanent regency ? Why, the course adopted
by ministers was according to usual custom. It had been said that
they ought to postpone the question for 24 hours to give members
an opportunity of considering the propriety of forming a regency.
Why, according to the honourable and learned member opposite
(.lr. Brougham) the matter of the regency had been under
consideration with the public for some time; If so, the question
was, he was sure, well weighed by the hon. and learned member._
His right hon. friend (the member for Liverpool) in addressing Par.
!lament, forgot that he was once a member of his Majesty's Go-
vernment. In 1820 his right hon. friend acquiesced in a measure
similar to that before the house. He would meet the question.
which was fairly put. respecting the contidenet to be placed in
Ministers; and he would call upon the house to decide that quo.
tion. But let not the house be gulled by an amendment of post

pnncmcr.t of four-and-twenty hours, to consider upon a question of '
Regency.
Mr. Iit'SKISSON and Sir R. PEEL mutually explained.
Lord PALMERSTON rose to address the House, but was in-
tcrrupted by cries of " Question." He considered that if those
members who interrupted hint and gave votes to the Minister, laid
before the House the reasons fur giving those votes, that they would
be doing a great act of justice to themselves, and would be better
employed than in disturbing the debate. The question of a re.
gency, it was generally supposed, would come before Parliament.
When we look at the state of business in this House, and the pro-
mises held out in the beginning of the session, it was not to be won.
dered at that it had been deemed expedient to send the representa-
tives hack to their constituents, before all the business before the
House should be carried through. If the demise of the Crown should
take place to-morrow, his Lordship would ask, was there any mem-
ber of the Privy Council prepared to say what he would do respect-
ing the Regency ?
Col. LINDSAY was not a county member, yet though he had
not implicit confidence in his Majesty's ministers, he should vote for
the address. The gallant member here read an extract from sonic
newspaper, which highly lauded the conduct of ministers, and con-
cluded by expressing his intention to support Government.
Mr. LIDDELL gave it as his sincere opinion that it was the
duty of Parliament to settle the question of the Regency before they
dissolved. Ile deemed it essential to the security of the realm to
appoint a Regency forthwith, lest that distressing calamity, the de-
mise of the crown, should happen before a provision was made for
that event. _ _ _ .

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Col. SI BTHORPE supported the amendment of the noble lord
(Althorn).
The House then divided, when there appeared,
For the amendment .. .. 139
For the original motion
Majority --46
On our re-admission to the gallery, we found
Lord AUTHOR P on his legs, expressing his regret at the deci.
sion to which the house had come. No reason had been advanced
why the house should now adopt a step which would have the ef-
fect of rendering nugatory all the labours which they had gone
through during the session, by passing a vote of credit. With a
view to obviate this, he should propose, as an amendment to the
proposed address, that it was expedient to adopt such measures as
would secure the country from the inconvenience that might arise
from the session being prorogued without appointing a Regency,
and that all the public business now before the house should be dis-
posed of.
The amendment, which was substantially as above, having been
put from the chair,
Sir R. PEEL did not see the necessity of discussing the same
subject over again.
Mr. GE(►UGHAM was determined to state his reasons for sup-
porting the amendment. Since govermnent had thought proper to
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persevere in their original Fur ,notwithstanding that the sense of
the house was against them : cheers.) (Some member on the mi-
nisterial side of the house cri "hear," in a very equivocal mariner,
when another member, whose name we could not learn, called the
attention of the Speaker to whet he considered indecent conduct
in a member of that house. This appeal to the chair excited
some sensation in the house, but time Speaker observed that he
did not take the expression alluded to in the sense which
the rimther who appealed to him seemed to take it.]
There being general cries for 51r. Brougham to proceed, the hon.
and learned member resumed, and after some sportive observations
on the expression which caused the interruptions, he complained of
so important a subject being brought forward on Wednesday. He
trusted he should never again hear of objections being made to im-
portant motions being fixed for Wednesday. Civil List—Supply
—Regency, all the great questions of the session, were crammed
at once on the house, without any previous notice. Ile felt satis-
fied Parliament could not be dissolved until the Regency question
was disposed of. Let not ministers lay that flattering unction to
their souls, that a new Parliament would be better than the present
(cheers). The honourable member proceeded to say that this coun-
try would not be governed by royal power, or military power, or by
yon fawning flatterer*, (locking significantly at the ministetial side
of the house).
Sir R. PEEL ruse up, and with warmth said, " I, sir, am on
this side of the house, and I represent this side of time house. and I
wish to know if the hon. and teamed gent. presumed to call me a
fawning flatterer ?—(cheers.)
Mr. BROUGHAM had never treated the right hon. secretary
with disrespect, but he had a right to characterise the conelt,ct of mi-
nisters as he thought proper.
After Mr. Brougham sat down,
Sir R. PEEL considered the explanation of the learned member
unsatisfactory ; he was satisfied that they were not meant to apply
to any person, bat proceeded from a warmth of debate. It would
therefore be more becoming in the learned member to retract the
words at once.

Mr. BROUGHAM admitted that he did not mean to apply
the expressions complained of to any person ; he merely applied it
to obsequiousness, whereby many got their way into royal favour.
After a few observations from a member whose name we could
not learn, _
. .

Mr. HUSKISSON suggested the propriety of postponing the
further consideration of the subject until to-morrow. Ile thought
that ministers themselves should accede to this suggestion, ante re-
Here the house from the disagreeable necessity of opposing the
Address.

Sir R. PEEL declined to accede to this proposition.
The house then divided, when there appeared—
For the original resolution
For the amendment ll6

Majority..
The house then resolved into a Couanittee of Rays and
?deans.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER proposed to re-
duce the duty on sugar from 27.. to Vs. per cent.
The Marquis of CHANDOt moved, as an amendment, that the
duty be reduced to 20s.
The Committee divided when thac appeared.—
For the amendment..

Against it

Majority ... • .
The house resumed, the other orders of the da} were disposed of,
id they adjourned at Half-past Two o'Cloek.