Star.
London, England, 1831-02-09 00:00:00

mockery of justice, by recommending the pardon of all those who had
b, en convicted. Under the system of Corn lowa, which noir-
lonsLely oppressed %hie comity, the labouring clones no doubt suf-
fered touch; at the same time, that could not justify the outrages of
which they were guilty. He should oppose the motion of the steseber
for Preston, because he considered it on impolitic interferenoe with the
prerogative chile Crown. (Beer, hoer.)
Mr. WiELLESLZY hod some load knowledge of eons of the
disturbances; application had been mode to bin in wend inotanose,to
piinnrsteoineferreetto,waniinthted;tereohemoroCaz:Lause.hafenorbelbelfthoon
itheminveof rgation.:cosheHentegadowese pliedthe
atrocity
of of their conduct. The House shield newer interfere with the attribute
of mercy, except under very exwoodinary oecesices. No pent of the
conduct of Ministers was more peaksworthy than that wkith related to
the Spacial Commissions; Mil they not resort to mane unknown to thelaws, Spaciall"g" there were Precedents for each a nuns, when the country
was in a state of excitement ; bat they executed the laws with cle-
mency and moderation (hear). He did not think that this House
would be justified in assuming to itself the exercise of the prerogative
of the Crown. _

Thu ifIORNRIfsGENERA L observed, that it came to his lot (Si
condua a peessedieo spinet a person named Withers, for an outrage
on a magistrate sod montables. He bad determined to give his stmee
support to constables amid magistrates in the execution of dal
duty, and was, therehea, dsMam to punish persona cambial
of violence towards them es utmost sabot. Now this Wickes, he
dependently of being embed of a riots .hlithelleonvicted efallhope
He therefor* thought that these was 11111 MIA wood for
of the course pursued on ibis maxime. It Les Yes mad=
to perceive, that out of 11.• passe who bad been Miedi, - thole wise
only three i of the proyeisty al 'boss psithmeot doses imam deals
The hon. and learned gestheosaa ben Mood to the ease of Losiet, as.
pleasing his surprise at dietheensilliems Moile by Mr. Host, respectiNg
the conduct of Judge Abbeys us that ormaka. NSW
was there a charge made on so slight a ilaidedem Unless the Judge
was infallible, it was shiest impolite Ise Mk to cone to any other
conclusion, from the idiom Wass& Mein MIA The lessoureble
and learned gentleman here met dowel ilmodimeo, en bas already
appeared before the public. fle then sileamel to the conduct of the
magistrate and the grand jury, pooling a high solegium on their hum,
nity and discretion. At Wincliestet alone,loo persons had been capitally
convicted. They had been guilty of crimes to which, by the laws of this
country, they should forfeit their lives. It was mistaken humanity to
exempt these from punishment. (Hear.) Was the Government to go
back to first principles, without reference to the laws under such cir.
eumstanotel? (bear, bear.) He then referred to the ease of Cooper,
whose conduct deserved his fate. He was surprised to see the paWe
prows representing the Goverment as sanguinary. Why, observed
he, was mercy to be extended to criminals elope? Were not these
whose property and lives had been endangered by their conduct to be
considered at all? (hear. hear.) He then referred to Petitions got
in different parts of the country, playing that mercy should be esleeded
to those misguided incendiaries who went about at night bunting the
property of their neighbours when they could not be detected, espro.
misting the conduct of those politicians at downrighr cant: (cheers.),
Then was no act of his life whit he would regret leas than the course
which be had pursued under the Spoils' Commission. The Honour.'
able and Learned Gendentan sat dots amidst cheers. I
Mr. SA NFORD opposed the meths
Mr. HUME rose to advise the bees. seembei for Poems es withdraw '
his motion.—(Cries of No, no.) This, @barred Mr. Homo, Mr. Hunt
should be fairly dealt with, for he did net make his casement with a
view to countenance the proceedings of the einem Moo Magistrates,
and Lord-Lieutenants of counties had sammosithed the of seal
chinery, why should the Aetna be eseeldnied es inall-
sibri4s
cious motives. He would suggest the pespdety of this
motion.—( No, no.) Then, observed Mr. Home, I supper the melbaMr. PORTDIAN VMS glad that the loss. somber ibe Proem had
brought forward this motion, because he *why nodessived the coun-
try respecting his sentiments relating to the stets; few the road im-
pure/on among the lower classes was, that the member for Posies had
favoured the proceedings of the rioters.
Mr. HUNT replied that he had ever lent his coneurance to'
the proceedings of the rioters. He thought that those who believed that
he concurred in such proccedinp would believe in witchcraft. A gallant
Admiral had alluded to his calling in life, but be would match
his blacking against the gallant Admiral's bilgewater any day s
(Laughter.) The gallant Admiral had reprimand him as abe
fellow. I am eery, mid Mr. Hunt, that I mann arms be eess-
pihnent. (Loud laughter.) [As dm He.. Mosher secs proceeding
In this reply, there was mach conglimg,asd aim dm fetion] I
have beard of this coughing, observed Hr. Hunt, Wire I came Into
this House, and I am pretared to men it, but if I ma to be put
down by coughing, I will let the people of Ragland
.!snow, that
when a Member rose in this House le armee their mew they are
put down by coughing. (Cries of " No, no I" and " Wym hoar.")
I am not sufficiently acquainted with the forms el the Mawr. ob.
served he, to know bow I amid Aspens of this maffikb
_Miss of
divide, divide !) lly friend, Method be, advises eititheesMidraerit
I have no wish to do so; I wield
adia divide, 3 him
be left In a mall majority, tra:timy fdsb
st io NI Min s
Dailam
the cause which I saves* Rim . , (aim I) ilist,
observed he, as the Ilonsi-esemei it, I Alarm II sos
mos with their whim -.: . . ..
The House divided, when there apparel f i
For the soilso, 2 I Against it, 221? I Majority, NM
emilletwente re eon SMALL MUM
Mr. HUMS mead an address a hie ifisty fee a reeves of the
amber of warrants et commitment for debt to the paths of Loins, die-
degaishing those upon means process and ezereudea open jmilpiesithl
= MO. Alm the number of debtors in prises Webb the same
Also the number of debtors committed to Whitman-street
prima front the courts of request, distinguishing the number of days for
which each was committed. The object of the hon. member was to
obtain information as to the number of persons annually deprived of
liberty for small debts.
Mr. H. TWINS ailaded to an order made by the magistrates of
Wilts, exclading visitors from the empty pd, and expressed a hope
that such order might not extend to the legal advisers of prisoners.
Alderman WAITHMAN opposed the motion, being convinced that
many persons possessing property went to prison for the purpose of
Mil the payment of their debts. Be wished to ask the Attorney.
'Gnu whether a Bill was to be brought in to compel debtors to give
up their effects to creditors ?
Mr. WARBURTON also spoke in supporter the modem.
• The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was &thews of
en' the subject alluded to by the Hon. Alderman Weight under the
of Parliament.
The motion foe the Returns was then agreed to.
MILITIA.
Mr. HUME moved for a Return of the maialme of persona enrolled to
servo in the militia, and the number eammiied A e.dh county in Groat
Britain. His object was to chew that poososomsee Whs. for sad
obliged to fight is the militia who wen apthead airebedesiles fsaim.
LMr. HUNT concurred in the hatodeaginiben. member fee Mb
dleasx, and when his /dajesty's Miaow& Arwood the MR tin
Parliamentary Masa, he eheol4 mere who had seethe
elective franchise &aid be WNW from moils it the tallith and
the payment of taxes.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Mid his Majesty's
Government had motives to justify them in calling oat the militia.
The Returns wen then mined.
TIOCLANATION Ow TIM LORD LIZOTROANT.
O'GORMAN hi ANON, Tieing to make his modem relating to the
padamodeas issued by the Lord Lisnteesat does she pawing of the
yd eniserful assemblies, said he was indeed se itheit a greater
of Sidman of the house than morally fell a theist of elem.
=Ts his oitasdos. The breams of the hear and the time width bad
been emaplad ia a debate of comidesside ismatease, joked to Ibsen-
seamy tams of the tegis he was about es Amodase aselesned is con-
Irwin While( that he tees soda ciraommseas of diadem-
Ile pryed far kohdypate in his unsavoury
sapor. (Has the hes. member to Ail dimieseste ) He
thanked hit kess Mead dos amber Limed* fee ids mfr. it
woad he_
_Rios ed is baud. (Cry el " Order, ether, ender !")
The VW= odd be Noe to io=st width be was sore the
hill. snake limed( sail osealis
01101111 AN MASON bowed to dos Achim of the home, but
meld Ni wain ideledf out of order. Why should the lab. member
for 114amekk sod other bre.,pietabers weer? He knew that helms placed
is a maw miewation There was a change in eireemetanass sines be was
bale the hewn. He as not out of order.
Slit WISTHERRLI. eon to mdse, arid observed that the tone and
mesas essamed by the Hon. Member were unusual, sod contrary to
the *Asa of die House. His hope was that the gentle representation
made brffie drily would have had doe eihnt if not, it was the duty
of she Mimeo a rise ageio and insist wpm ads.
O'GORMAN MAHON said the Honestrable Mather for Borough.
bridge bad called upon the Smokes to rise frees his shale, sod put him
down. (Cry of " No, no.") I say be did, said Oliseesen illahm, and
let any man steed &tweed and ay be dad not. (Lad exthemodeos of
tf Other, other I")
The SPZAKER—Let the Hon. Gentleman understand, that when
I *MI leeward to laterropt any gentleman's speech, Ide It in a man-
ner sobbed by the greatest laity. The Bea. Member, 1 hope. will
am bibs oweeptioa to these who believe I never hoofers when a mem.
ber is sat wet of other. I hope he will take the hint, sad net call on
Imam titulary a mere direct duty (bear.)
O'GORMAN MAHON thanked the Speaker he not declaring
him net of ether. The Speaker had given lies Air pla , knowing this
he had aot been guilty of any Atm The and Leaned
Masher fee Boreoghbeidge, menetemed in hb peclessies to revert
lath, bad declared him so Wester order..--(Cey of Chair, Chair.
' 'The SPIMIMEIL—The boa. meadow, A the last sentences be at-
bolds vs alig44l eaves greseds. In the kW plan, be was dialling ;
to a abbess as Were the hose; mid @seemly, he was yarning
difolgolCZNihe lenliNsiend coothoes of so hos easeehm.
II dfi11....11•13, dies I have does with the weber
for liamtedelthige. We shall meet agele.....(older, ceder.)

The SPRAKER....If the boo. member does not feel, I hope Cie
beam will feel what ls due to hs oa n dignity. I claim nothing for my.
coif personally, but I clan, respect for the dignity of the house and the
chair. 1 tell the how member again he woe out of order on both occa-
sions, and I must impress upon the ben. member that this house has
neva been in the bait of submkting to the manner ha which he is now
adthessing them, without the Speaker giving notice to the lion. member
out of order to retrace his steps. 1f he perseveres, the Speaker will take
the course which belongs to him. The hon. member will ire called by
name, and brought before the house. He will then be obliged to an-
swer for hie misconduct.
O'GORMAN MAHON, after the denunciatiation he had heard,
did not know whether he ought not to consider himself a person arreigued
at the bar of that house. He wished to know in whir character he ad-
dressed the house. If he had violated the laws and mules of the house
he was a criminal, and not a free representative of his constituents.
He admitted that be might have been wronir in the Boroughbridge case
*—(a laugh)—but the member for Limerick had not tr,:at.:l him fairly.
How could he in future tall that boo. member his hen. friend ? He
still believed he had not been guilty of a breach of order.
Having taken Ms seat, waiting for some further intimation from
the Chair, the &maim called upon him, in the usual manna, for his
motion.

O'GORMAN MAHON then rose to call the attention of the House
to the SUM of Ireland. He wished to know whether Ireland was to
regard the promat Ministers as friends or foes to Ireland. The docu-
ments Mir which be .bald move were but of little importance i.l
themselves, and be mellesed he should make his motion 'nerdy
for the pete it haven an opportunity of learning the reit.
titans if ihdllll44. lie question of the Union he cott,iderett
alt elided in as fat as &gland had a voice, but he wished to
low, whether recondlidimlilitibe had mcounte to, or whether Ire.
boll WS to be dalysdtiti blood. The excitation in itela:3l was such,
NI Natal, that be demid not attempt to describe it. The Irish were
detemibied tin bevies $ home legislature, such as they had thirty
mem eles He whholl le know, in the name of IreLuitt, what course
ma as be adopted f Roe that Union to be repealed, which in the
lemptage of a amble ad, bad been brought about by cruel. y. owe,.
don, and fond? (The hon.! gentleman then made a Satiety of re-
marks respecting the state of England and the late Special Commis-
sions, but it was utterly impossible to follow him. Having ttequently
used the expression " Gracious don !" he was called to order by 31r.H.
Hughes.) Nothing' could be further from his intention the'. to speak
irreverently of the Deity, and his having been educated at the Jesuits'
College might be a surety for his being animated by that feeli. g. Eng-
lish members spoke of the disuess of England, and thought it hard that
only be, a week, or 7s. a week, should be given to labourer, ; but w hat
was the save of Ireland? Why, in a parish in Sligo 3,031 individuals
were without a meal of food. This he stated upon the authority of evi-
dence given upon oath before two magistrates. Upon that evidence he
Maid OM time 3,031 individuals had been without the means of suste-
MAilies the 10th of January. (Laughter.) His own county a as in the
NM SIMS oteggalling misery, and the Irish labourers could be gl.ta of
IL a arm wages. but that they could not get. Now was the tome at
which. seempronilie might be effected, but in a st:ort time it would b.
impossible. He spoke upon peculiar information. which he a10..e pos-
sessed, and which no Government colt Id get at. The English were dip-
trusted in Ireland, and such ought to be the case. Through the thiluene-3
of one man only could the compromise be (reeled, and it must be to the
effect that the Parliament should he held one year in Ireland and the other
year in England. (Laughter.) Such was the ewe, and nothing short Ma
empromise could continue the Colon between Ireland and England.
The poor creatures, who were five feet under the ttnow, would bear of
no other terms. He called upon the House to do its gest to effect the
compromise. At the beginning of the Session there was but one 'Dent-
ine in favour of the repeal of the Union ; but he again said, as he
had said before, that unless terms were now made, there wou'd be
twenty Irish County Members calling for the repeal of that met-
sure. Other nations, France, Holland, wed Russia, hsd been
fatally deaf to the voice of warning, and he implored the House not
to follow so wretched an example. He spoke now, perhaps at the last
hour, and he conjured the House to act upon his advice. If del. web
of the case, Ireland would separate herself from England ; and much as
he wished for the maintenance of the connection with England, be would
attend the call of his country. A violation of the constitution, committed
by the late Government, had secured Ireland to England for a year, but
that violation must be followed up by a further compromise, or Ireland
would stand alone ; or if retained could be retained only amidst a thine
of blood. He admired and eulogised the conduct of the late Secretary
for Ireland (Sir H. Hardinge) : that conduct was natural; but Ireland
bad a right to expect something more from the present Ministers.—
from a Whig and Liberal Administration Ireland had a right to ex-
pm much ; and be wished to know what Ministers proposed to do ?
He condemned, vehemently condemned, the conduct- of the Nisei'.
trates and their creatures in Ireland with respect to the surest of
the Honourable Member for: Waterford. The : comma courtesy
of civilised society required very different treatment to that which
had been offered to Mr. O'ConnelL But the insults offered to that
Honourable Gentleman did not appear to be enough. Where was
the Honourable Member for Waterford ? Why was he not in
his place to do his duty to his constituents ? Why, he had been
detained under the ,quibble of a law —a law which had been cha-
racterised by the Lord High Chancellor of England as unconsti-
tutional. The sante had been said by all the Whigs, and he put it to
the house to say whether It meant to do any thing more than to suppress
the Catholic Association, when it agreed to that offensive Act? This
was the case, and yet under that unconstitadonal Act every society for
the benefit of Ireland was to be suppressed by a liberal and all• profaning
Government. In England the dissolution of the two mint:ie. *as un-
popular, in Ireland it was all popular. In Roecommon, the whole county
had declared for the repeal Oche Union; the archiepiscopal city of Ar-
magh had done the same. The same sentiment prevailed in Meath. Lo..t ,
his own county, and in Tipperary ; but the bon. member tot Tii-peigry
might speak for himself upon the state of his county. The I o curable
member again adverted ;to the late disturbances in England, a id raid
there had been ambles of the sort in Ireland, with all its wrongs aid
all its miseries. In hard all was peace, but the determination of the
people on the repeal of the Mimi was not lees sincere, and they had
authority with then Madura been the declaration of Lord Grey ? Tnat
nobleman had 'imbed, opposed the union, and predicted that it never
could be sustaieed. Thi mcw:s the case with respect to Lard
Plunkett. Thet asin; bed even further. In his enthashen
he had said that, lib. Ilindbek. would swear his children at the
altar to hostility to. the fain of his country, and these lots were the
English who head the Union upon Ireland. Would any one deny •
this ? The sea of Led Grey was present, would be deny it ? A son
of Lard Makes atighe be realm forsane ream bennO, lot ought
he knew to the costery, and if so, would he deay it ? These Ira.
facts, and he can Owe to state them, bat when he get up to do en' he
was cdled to eider by the bemmembee for ponsOrdite. 1 i i.e
thrust his information apes des hen. mem* pasensery—taught the
llS=t
ben. member by Ms habillmeate, for the wearing of w:ticit he
weedied and thens.-thet be then might have been
Judy to of the has. member. Teen Judge
Jobb aid hip bed aloe declared drooilves to be adverse to the
Wei whoa It woe propessi let the ermine bed a wonderful power,
and made an it easy. Sash had been the whams Others Judgts, and
yet ley woe wag limp Julia whoDierst pat des seammaitutispal Act
et
Imient lem km. They was to try Os hen taanber for Water.
bid. Win he 'psis of a semainiet kiss elfin*. heal net mean to
pidye hinself*lbe sasses ef sans merate,;he mostly then it sot as
a hint—he epee VW it wadi be head that the time rise any
tame ahem of a tithe Union bad peeled away. Of this he was
cenliams, that there was bat sae man in Ina* who meld make coma,
aid that seas bad bees most gesesly and simmedelly booked by the
low prenatal, of the 11.agisames of a (Az: He had been
taken into esmody by vile thief-Wm% sed diet set hmeleelabie
mischief bad been done. But pond* eons *Mu trOsseell
wee, It wield be ef ass avail, if he gaps}* lon then the cargesmise
he bed vesedesed. If he did so. be "mild he boded from tilt persimsky
Ise at pent enjoyed, he wee* be MONA es a traitor, and be weld be
sameated at* trampled= des wheep d belied. Thebes heel
ef the whole open him sad be wield benstroped.
This was the =IL spirit of Ireland was reused, sod It amid net be
suppressed. He knew this to be the case, sad he boa buteemona, as
the late pension' keen, which no penmen email hems=
siesta of. He warted the house of the 'iamb's et
is Inland i sod he would stile ale fact, which stun as.
prcially to call forth the spirit el cesediatin which he elledeal. lie
had been for eleven pan and a half a member of seek" =day which
had fur is object the repeal of the Vaasa. This nail claw sone beam
hew Irishmen felt, and what was)lssie esseradastia. Who he bed
Met add: awed the Home he bad set been plessised se ens this feet,
bet now be had authority to de es. The Increased*" ilecisty, and
its ezistence, bad bees kept assall, bet when it wmillesegl rat the whey
of Ireland, Orangemen' batty tains, read all, hail the same seem=
object, the Society was dissolved. The people bed when up she opnetise,
and a secret society upon it was as Maass essahni. Me weed these facts
for the information of the House and Goomanrem, and to show the
Nate of Ireland. lie mod not what the esemenems of making such a
declaration might be Is himself. if he were net tee insignificant, be
might find himself oe the way to the Town or to Newsom to-menew
esomag ; but he eared am. In England there was a Comeitetien ; in
Wand there was name. He had been 'estataasaed but a few days slant
tai Costs of Lieg's Bench is Dublin, and when be aide* at the eater
doers he fesad them not. He was intenegated, and "NOW " giTtet
address, same, sad business bane he teak pia adadielen t avd
he asked, would be said if each a eremedieg &said sobs place in Beg.
land ? la Eeglaad the people NW most and Maws matters, ,bat
la Inked they could do to such May. The Libra's Deplore
I•Depoty, with the authority ef a bit ee penmen *di the benne
, was probably sanely able to treed, might enter my meeting and Om
lade, it. A Caepeatisa Idepetrate detird le kind *deb as
Centitatioadid amain the Wog to de.. Why, V pm.
Inman wee sit ny 6 Dills, the Shmee 'a Thest_T ailsolle •
.ea the Hoene OGesseesni aid damn she members to disymes, NAN
pan 980 a saadoli they 'Nadeau*** !Oft Ser lie iehasess.lha. ..
raids el them might be Mks MI sethfnt, and anodised torsi See •
dna iialtha. Noe was thee Aim If lifilidr ma
.
these candies mightbe laid, an eon to pima ANN
sibfain rebel.'