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London, England, 1812-04-17 00:00:00

PARLIAMENTARr PROCEEDINGS.

• HOUSE OF LORDS, APRIL 16.
EAST INDIA TRADE.

The Earl of DERBY presented a Pe:itlon from the Cotton
hfanufacturers and others, of Blackburn, for opening the East
India Trade.

Lord BRADFORD presented a Petition from the Proprietors
of Iron Works in Shropshire, agaiabt the renewal of the bast
India Charter.

The Petitions being read, were ordered to lie on the table.
MISCELLANIES.

The Irish Spirits WarehoUsit4Bill,ind the Pilots' Regulation
Bill, were read a third time and passed. -
The Coffee Auction Duty Bill, the high Grain Export Bill,
some Local and Private Bills were brought up from the Com-
mons by Mr. Lushington, Sir James Graham, and other Mem-
bers, and read a first time. The Thames Navigation Bill, and
the Port of Dublin Bill, were also returned with the amend-
ments agreaii to.

The liinkeepere Allowances Bill, and the Penitentiary House
Bill, passed through Committees, and were reported.
On the second reading of Moore 's Divorce Bill, Mr. Garrow
and another Gentleman attended as Counsel for the Petitioner.
Several witnesses were examined to prove their marriage, the
recovery of damages in an action of trim. con. and the adultery ,
alledged to have been committed by the Lady with Mr. Miller.
On the resumed consideration of BLlchford's Divorce Bill,
evidence was adduced to prove the validity of the marriage at
Vienna, and also the adultery 'Hedged to have been committed
by the Lady wick Mr. Digges Latouclie.—Further consideration I
to-morrow.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
I Mr. SHAW presented a Petition from the Corporation of Dub-
LANDLORDS AND TENANTS. ' lin against the dams of the Roman Catholics of Ireland.
Earl STANHOPE said, in bringing before their . sir J. NEWPORT asked what claim the Petitioners could be
Lordships a subject of very great importance, he abppoied to have on the attention of the House, after having re-
should not trouble them with a very long harangue; cently refused the freedom of their city to Major O'Donoghue,
because the shortest would answer the purpose best. who had gallantly disdngui:hed himself at Tarifa, merely because
The evil which he had to complain of, he believed to he was a Roman Catholic .
licsMo
fr .
Queen'sPA ItIE,L ptyresirted a Peti
reland, pre'doniegfrotme
be
ee
relievedit t r a r cLhon ;
be unequalled in horror—it was not less touching to
hunu-nity than the Stave Trade ; and in point of g_no..
certain disabilities, &c. which was orderedy to lie on the table.
lacy, as relating to Ireland particularly, it was equal . Mr. HORNER presented a Petition tram a perste) named
in importance to any thing which had been brought Mark Antony Mill, in the Isle of Man, praying the Haase to
I.
case
before Parliament. He would explain to them how,, take
frequently
lieueoentltllyetlie. -
Sirrh ~—Ordered
t this policy was detestable •; at least he would explain tees of the highest importance were undere' driescquissioni, there was
it to those ignorant of the laws of Ireland. All who a very thin attendance of Members. He should think it his duty
were not conversant with that subject would hardly when public busineu of great magnitude was =niacin', to call
believe, that all middlemen (and there were a great the attention of the Speaker, or Chairman, to the actual state and
many in Ireland) were able to distrain for the same number of the lie -
G. HILL moved for an ascotint of allthe'plain linen yarn,
rent, under the same ground-landlord, even to more &r. exported from Ireland, and imported into Great 13ritiun 41.
than the land would produce ; and much more than ring the last three years.—Ordered.
the tenant had contracted for to pay. The very state- • NAVY-OE/ICI CLERICS,
meat of such injustice must harrow up the soul.— Sir FRANCIS BURDETT rose to Intrfe respect-
Before he read to their Lordships the Bill which he ing the Clerks.in the NavisOffice, who wished only
hard proposed, and which only contained a few words, to be put on the same footing as other clerks, and
he thought it necessary to inform them of the opinion particularly with those in a similar department—the
of a great lawyer, in his correspondence with ano- Navy Pay Office. Some of these men had been 25
other, whose names he was not at liberty to mention, or SO years in office, without any increase of 'min
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t° stew that others were of the same opinion witll mew, and of late years, under pretence of economy,

I—an economy of which; in the present it Lance, hi
could not approve—their salaries were considerably
diminished. Some of these clerks laboured under i.e.
culiar hardships, as they had purchased thee places,
Lord Barham, the late Comptroller, had received
their money, of which, as the emolumentsikad so
considerably decreased, they were in fact, Cleared
and swindled. He should move, therefore, for an
account of the clerks in the Navy Office, specifying
their salaries, periods of service, and their respective
emoluments—also for a copy of the letters of the Navy
Board and of The Clerks' memorial respecting an an.
crease of wages, the subsequent letters relating to this
subject, and the Prince Regent's-order thereon.
Mr. BENNETT seconded the motion.

Mr. YORKE said, th .t it was not usual to accede
to such motions as the present, unless some strong.
ground Was 'hewn to the House to induce them e)
take the matter into farther consideration. kte
thought that the Honourable Baronet bad not made
out a case sufficiently strong. As to the buying of .
places, and Ltd Barhann's implication in such traf.
' fic, lie did not know how it might have been; but
nothing of that sort,be apprehended, could new hap.
pen, as the sale of a cletikship would subject the sena
to a high responsibility. He could not allow tnepe,
culiar hardship insisted on by the Honourable na.
mnet, as the clerks had all consented to the present
arrangement.
Sir FRANCIS 111.1. R DETT said, that these desks
' did not ask for privileges above others in similar situa-
tions ; they wished only to be put on precisely the
same footing. He could not conceive that thus Ap.
plication would induce other clerks to lay their case
before Parliament, as the present was one of a pecto
liar nature. It was, in his mind, an additional mo-
tive for acceding to his proposition, that the conduct
of Lord Barham might be enquired into ; evecially
' as, from what had fallen from the Right Ho:mutable
Gentleman, it appeared that such conduct was
properly stigmatised by the Government. Lord .
ham's conduct ought certainly to be investigated, as
through his means the desks had been completely
swindled out ofthei r money. It was illiberal aunt unjust
to talk of the consent of these clerks to the new
rangements. What could they do ? Could they resign?
Were they, these clerks, in a condition to contender
make bargains with Government ?
Mr. Yoaxe and Sir F. Buanarr exchanged a few
words respecting Lord Barham, when the question
being called for,
Sir C. POLE thought it inexpedient, in the pre.
sent hardships of the times,to encourage any hopes of
increase of salary which could not he realised. Other
clerks might also be induced to come forward with
similar applications.
The House their divided—Air the Motion 15-n
Against it 62—Majority 47.
FRAUDS AND PRILFURIES IN THZ LICEWCZ TRADL
Mr. HERBERT was desirous, before he should
open the letters which he felt it his duty to lay before
the House, to wait until he should see his Right Ho.
nourable Friend (Sir Williain Scott) in his place.
He thought that Right Honourable Gentleman would
have felt it his duty to attend, when he considered
' what his conduct had been respecting the present
motion. He (Mr. Herbert) had shewn to the Chino
!cellor of the Exchequer the list of papers in his pos.
session connected wish the present motion. The an-
swer he received from the Chancellor of she Exche-
quer was, that he wished for an opportunity of can.
suiting others upon the subject, and that after such
consultation he tell it his duty to resist the unaided
motion. When this subject was, upon a former oc.
cait)n, before the House, he (Mr. Herbert) was de.
sirous of expressing his s:ntiments upon it, and had
risen five different times se about being fortunate
enough to catch the Speakei's eye. He thonght it
was not fair to tetuse the papers, because more mien
be wanted to elucidate the neutralizing system. The
Honourable Member then read a variety of papers
to elucidate his positiod, that frauds .and perjuries
were committed to a very great estent, and recognit.
ednby the Court of Admiralty as well as by the Go-
vettiment. Amonlst other cases, he instanced anti
where a vessel had come from Amsterdam to Eng.
land, and on obtaining a licence had proceeded to St.
Petersburgh to take in a cargo and re turn to di is coon try.
On arrivuig at St. Petersburgh, the Master was cam.
pelled to Quake out a fabricated account of his voyage
from Amsterdam, instead of England, to St. Petra.
burgfi ;• and to account for his being so long a tine
on his voyage, he invented an account of wink.
storms, interruptions from ice, arc. arc.—Thisfabri-
cation was signed and :worn t by the Captain and
crew, otherwise the vessel would have been con*.
cateci, had it been known that it had touched at Ear
land. This vessel did not return to England With's
the specified time of the licence, three months. oat(
consequence was condemned.—Now, to Pert the
condemnation, they adduced the foiticalni story /11
the Court of Admiralty with success; and. if tit
House would grant him the Papers helwquiredi it
would be seen by the answer to the 39d io."
tory, that the Captain was actually in
the time that he had sworn, in Russia,
his voyage—.(Hoer Asor/)---yee this
papef was received as evidence—the
cognized by the Court ' • indeed,
assent, that it was as good evidence
fore been acted upon, and it was
receive it. There were many
He condemned this practice, as
root of all property and morality,
of perjury. He should next advert
which this system was liable. By
two licences for brandy had
those facts were not so important ,
would mention ; namely., an instance
licence, for the purposeeonterotecting
sel. Here then was op a scene
of corruption ; for might not a clerk
such practices, Without the knowledge
On the 20th of January application
to the Council for a licence to
from Am sterdam, but refused
the same month, application WAS
the request granted, but with the
the month. This application was .
and Son." Now he was confident
lion. Gentleman of the Board knew
fact. It so happened, that he was
some correspondence from Bot rdeaur,
se:a the sentiments of persons on t
the water. But he could not avoid
;tinting cowl= of the Board of

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three months, Rua cc
—Now, to Pen the
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success ; and it the
'apers he requiiod, it
3 the 39d tatterer
wally in Inlaid at
I Russia, he was on
—yet this fabrics*,
nce—the perjury rt•
d, it had nodded its
fence as had heteta.
ras now' necessary to
other similneasto.
I striking at the fay
/laity, by a toleration
yen to the abuse to
r an 64 inadverteoeYr"
been granted ; but
lt as the one which he
,tAnce of awake* a
:cling a captured so
scene fur the dOef
clerk lend hi le
wedge of the Boole
ation had been Poi
import the", he.
yet on the 90d1 of
as again made, les
le date of the 24th
as made by " Btu
ident that the bit
knew nothing of
was in possessioo
rdeaui, by which woe
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t ondttet that also OW rise to Muds fraudulent spec'
(illation. It bad made *spired licences a matter of
traffic in Bourdeant, because they would enable the
poitessoss to found fabricated sentiments on them, by
I • which they might avert legal condemnations in this
country. In this correspondence, the manner was
pointed out to thew how such iniquitous proceedings
would tell to the advantage of the parties concerned
se each side of the water. The Hon. Member then
lowed the following Resolution :
« That the House tees with rqtret the system of fraud and
perjury recognised and protected b the High Court of Adati-
laity, as justifiable and necessary under the present circumstances
oldie Com:nate olthe Country t the abuses and corruptions to
which the system is liable ; the depraved example it holds out to
the morals of the nation, dangerous to the fundamental principles
',evidence and encouraging a disregard of truth in Courts of
justice, and beget an unprindpled monopoly, which would not
be otherwise than subversive of the most sacred principle. of the
law of nation"'
Mr. ROSE entered into a general justification of
the conduct of Government in regard to granting
Licences, which, he contended, did not grow out of
the Orders in Council. Licences were granted on
application, without any interest, or any regard to
persons. After they got out of the office, it was im-
possible for the Board of Trade to know what was
done with them ; and, therefore, if these Licences
wee sold to others, it was impossible for theGovern-
meet to know any thing of the transaction. Many
of these reports were unfounded. At all events, there
Was not the slightest ground for supposing that Li.
cences were ever purchased at the Board, or that they
were given with any view to favour individuals. It
was perfectly clear to him that if Licences were put
en end to, there would be an end to the commerce
of the country. It was only in consequence of the
enemy getting possession of the ports of the Conti-
nent, that the system had grown up.
Mr. H. THORNTON said, that perjuries had
taken place in this way. False oaths taken in foreign
countries were admitted in the Courts of this country.
Mr. PONSONBY was sure that every man must
feel the force of the observations wade by the Hon.
Rorer ; and he hoped the House would weigh well
the remarks of the last speaker, with respect to
frauds and perjuries, which went to the destruction
of the moral feelings of the people of this country.
After some other observations, he moved, as an
amendment, to leave out all the words, and substitute
these—" That on the Ist of May next, this House
would resolve itself into a Committee .to take into
consideration the state of the trade of this country, as
carried on by Licences."
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
tonsidered the original motion the most extraordinary
le had ever heard; at the same time be considered
• the amendment as extremely objectionable, and there-
•. Ohre he should oppose it. As to the frauds and per-
pules,
he wished to know whether those practices had
not existed long• before the Orders in Council and
licences/were known; and he contended, that under
the present system there was less dangler of these
practices being tarried on: He justified the conduct
of the Admiralty Courts against the charge of their
.siecidin; by perjuries. Such perjuries had been com-
Apiued m foreign countries, and it etas impossible for
:lie Courts here to detect them. The system that at
Patient prevailed was less the cause of perjury than I
sty other system that ever existed ; and he trusted
the-House would not assent to the amendment any I
IseiVetiti the motion. He concluded with express-
ing.bis decided opinion, that it would not be, at. all
amiable for the House to enter into any enquiry on
the subject of licences.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, that within the last few
years a most material alteration had taken place in
the practice of the court of Admiralty. He did not
at all impute any censure to that Court, because the
practice arose out of the changed system of our corn.
=erre. So far from resisting, the Right Hon. Gen-1
tleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) ought to
court enquiry. If perjury and fraud passed without
censure in our Courts of Admiralty, no one could
tell %hat fatal effects might arise in other Courts.
Besides, an enquiry was necessary, were it only for
the purpose of vindicating the character of the coun-
try in the eyes of Foreign Nations. For all these
reasons, and particularly out of his high respect for
the Court over which Sir William Scott presided, he
would support this enquiry.
Mr. BARING denied the assertion of the Honour-
able Gentleman, that this trade was at an end.
Mr. HERBERT replied ; after which the motion
*at negatived without a division.
Mr. WHITBREAD then moved for Copies of
the Licences granted for the Importatiqn of Goods,
&e. front France, and the previous Exportation of
British Manufactures and Colonial Produce to France,
*ha, after a few words from Mr. A. BARING,
Wet agreed to.
The Irish Tobacco Duty Bill went through a Com-
mittee, and the other Orders of the Day being dis-
posed of, at twelve o'clock the House-adjourned.

THE EVENING STAR.

LONDON.

FRIDAY, APRIL 17.
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