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in a Bill 44 to repeal the SI Geo-. 11. c. 48 ; and to
entitle Copyholders to vote for Knights of the Shire."
The Marquis of TAVISTOCK, in seconding the
inotion, declared hii opinion, that the adoption of a
fair and free Representatiren of the People in Parlia-
ment, would do much towards removing the pretent
evils under which the people laboured. He wished
to shorten the duration of Parliament ; but unless
the expences attending Elections could, at the same
time, be reduced, the effects of such a measure would
only tend to increase the influence of the Crown.
—He hoped he should not to-night hear it asserted,.
that Parliament could not exist without corruption.
If Parliament could not be rendered quite pure, let
us, for Gon's sake, do all-we could towards making
it so. Corrupt practice was bad, but corrupt precept
was still y:orse. The Noble Lord concluded by de.
Oaring be ipconded the Motion of his Hon. Friend
most cordially.
Mr. W. ELLIOTT could not-agree to tht motion
of his Honout able Friend ; he thought it would be to
Make a desperate stake upon speculation. He was
'ln, the Constitution, in its present form, was
:h would best enable us to meet those evils to
e were exposed. He could not, when he
sued on the Continent, agree to an impeach-
Censtitution which had preserved us alone
all the surrounding nations, a stay to the
Tired liberties of Europe. The Honourable
then entered into a review of Parliamentary
j for some years back ; and obsetved, that the
ican War, which, though it was a leg:11 War,
his opinion, a War most adverse to equity ;
however, was not put an end to by the
Jut it was terminated by the purity of Par-
-a Parliament which afterwards introduced
;cal Reform, .and did many other public\
-t how was that Parliament treated by the
t its dissolution ? with so much public grati-
a; had it not Ecen for the existence of this
which is now so much objected to, some of
'minent members would have bten lost to the
Would-Gentlemen, who now wi,lied for
, as it was called, undertake to intrcduce una.
into thpHduse ? There. would always be two.
•ties7—a majority and a minority—and the wino-
hi always, consider themselves right. But
• he said that all the measures carried by the
'_were carried by corruption. The Right
,ble Member then adverted to what had been
irmiagltam, Sheffield, Manchester, and other
erns, not being represented. Was the House
cons the representative of the country par-
Wai it not the representative of the nation ge-
? and bad tlfo:e places flourished less undet
representation than any other part of the king ,
No man wished more than he did to ice the
of Commons identified withthe People—but
never consent to s,:e the House of Commons,
about by every .gust of popular passion.—
' hostile was he to the notion of restoring
41 Piirliaments, They would operate as a corn.
issolution of the morality of the People ; and
lso corrupt the morals of the Representatives.
change would only serve to draw the People
m their industry, and. would be continually
ig ill blood in the country, which it Must be
'of every. good man to avoid. It was said
...Refoim was necessary to satisfy the People.—
Shen wag it that satisfy them ? Look at
tings which took place some time ago at pub-
ans, and it would be seen that almost 'sell the
s Who met there began to dispute among than-
, *hoot various plans, although they all met
garliamentary Reform. Here. the Honourable
tan alluded to certain Resolutions, said ,to
seen sanctioned by the Honourable Baronet who
tresentative for Weitmintter, in which it was
. that every man who paid direct taxes should
vctte. The effect of such a plan wculd be to
all the ancient and yeaerable usages on which
‘stitution rested for its sezurity. Not one stone
,agnificent fabric would be left upon another.
.said the People called for this Reform. He
,ed the People did not wish for any such change;
„conceived it highly dangerous at this per ic d•ol
to stir up the People to the agitation of such
.ion. For these reasons he would oppose the
middle was stage in doing so, he should be
y a very great majority of the House.
LYTTLF/TON said, he must dissent from
of the conclusions of his Honourable Friend,
lb he agreed in some of his premises. This
„in was in its nature wholly experimental, for
was no fact to go upon as a precedent. It was
try to proceed on this principle—tiled the Re.
:anion of the People was inadequate. He be-
le could venture to say, that the character of
iuse had lost ground in the estimation of the
and to prove this, he should quote the fact
id been brought home to the Secietary for Fo.
Affairs (Lord Castlereagh) : another fact was;
lision on the Walcheren question. No doubt
souse was admirably constituted as to the hide-
who composed it : he believed no other as-
elected in any other way, could draw. toge-
large a portion of talent, learning, icklustry,,
iroperty. But his wish was to rescue the 13cuse
to operalion of Royal Influence. He (Mild
the necessity of to many placemen sitting in
to conceived it would give purity and indepen-
to the House, if-more men of property through-
► cduntry had a right of voting. At present,
hteneiof the Crown had nearly done away its
udence. He was sorry to see too great an in.
ice to politicil subjects prevailing among the
, and hoped their vigilance would soon be use.
;sated for the benefit of their country.
Hon. Mr. WARD began by complimenting
zght Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Elliott) for his ad-
de speech. He knew that in following the Right
Gentleman in his opinions, he should expose
to a tide of unpopularity. The enemies of this
of Reform now asked for had been continually,
?resented as the advocates of corruption ; and by,
at means, the cause of the reformers gained ground
the Public ; while it often happened that indivi-
the most active in stirring up a feeling of this
only mounted on the shoulders of the people
they afterwards betrayed. That House never
been, and never ought to be, purely democratic.
must be the case if the demands of those who
claimed on the ground of rigl.t were granted. Yet
*ere men who held out that Parliamentary Re-
IgoUld be a remedy for every existing evil. The

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