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the fittest time to bt kik the wlirde '*afore
Lordships.. We ofideatoOd I,rs Li)rdihttE; mi
Thtiesday as the dai.oft wtiict Its meant loilVe •
of a motion.on ilicAttiject. •••
. Lord HOLLAND wished to Ithow from the

Eat!! opposite, fiftieth& any,doCtifitents telating to .
negiwiations between Tot Russia were ou the tibie?
The Earl of Lt*Enroot. he was not awatc
Their Lordihips adjourned at Nine o'Clock.

beck in ihe•wiffst conceivable state of things, was that
itdifet far Congrattilatidn? He did not-nnifr argue,
wliefhir .or„ not they followed the line ofptilic.y that
ought to have been adopted ; but was it a time to con- •
gratulate Crown that matters were no worse.?' What
was it that did really happen ? The conquest
by Fran Ce., Wear, hear!) That was the event they std.-
feted to take place, almOst without the slightest expres-.
Slim of disapprobation—...without protest or remonstrance;
an event to avert which, in former times, the greatest
and most expensive wart ever undertaken by this
country had been waged, and victoriously waged.
Whether they could avert the war or not was another
question. This, at least, was clear, that the present state
Of the Continent offered most serinus ground of alarm.
He could not admit the force of the argument so do-
quently advanced by the Honourable (,entlernan who
seconded the Address. The little resistance offcred by
Spain was, he said,
.t proof that this country would have
been premature in interfering otherwise than she had.
This was an argument that cut two ways. He should
like to know, it Spain were not averse from the restored
Government, if the body of the pesiple did not entertain
sentiments favourable to the Constitution, what was the
motive for retaining •in that unfortunate country a force
of 50 or 60,000. men ? Either the Spaniards were
friendly to the Constitution,..ot France was now the con-
queror of Spain ; and holding possession of it as a con.
quered country, ne.t.vithstanding herformer protestationt
to the Credulous Ministryof England. One or other branch
of the dilemma was inevitable, and the last was thatin-
calculably most injurious to the interests-of
His belief was, that Spain was attached to the c(stwitti." r
tion; and-was now only kept down by st„ flinch force;
he should be told, perhaps, that the fears heetwertained
from the conduct of France were chimerical; that no
danger could result to this country. It 'bad been said,
that England never stood in a more commanding atti-1
tude than now ;.ttiat her influence was never greater-0
that she never • more completely held the 1)411010 of
power in Europe. Where were the proofs of The;
fact appeared to be, that 'they were entirely shut out'
from the deliberations of the other Powers; they had,
no voice in the conclave of Sovereigns, and were called
upon only-as brokers to contribute their money in sup-
port of the war, to lend their aid when the bills became
dtte—(4 laugh.). He believed, however, that the case
did not present so much of a dilemma as might be sup-
Posid; and • that in fact the Allies did not look upon
,them:sisu Power- that ought to interfere.- It was the
et:titimOtifilk,iii tome of the saloons of Paris, that Eng-
fotitro must content herself with the situation of
aaecoadary Power, with that in which nature and, he
would add, -herown choice placed her; he should. be.
told that the danger's he apprehended were..either very
diitintor quite chimerical; that there was nothing to lie
apprehended from those: conspirators against the liber-
ties of Europe, who went tinder the appellation of the
'Hilly ;Allies. -This was the name they gave themselves.
These Con.tpiratori vi•ere, wise. in their generation.—
He did ;pot. apprehend that they would immediately
proceed to outrage the -feelings of this .country—that
they would attempt it this year or the next. Though we
were botind to keep:the peace under a recognisance of •
1:800,000,000 still there were outragei under which the
lioly Alliance knew we would forfeit even a recogni-
sauce so great, and say to the authors of such outrage,.
let the deht go as it may, we will submit to this no longer.
Being conscious of this, the Allies would not make any
sudden attempt to excite opposition ; they would under-
take nothinr, outrageous, uritil after slow encroachment:,
Submitted to one after the other,as One great importance,
they would attemptsome decisive stepaliat mustat 160
drive this country iuto an tinsucceSstut; because onequat
struggle. Look at their conduct to iitherciAintries, • He
recollected that last .Session he was treated with torite-
thiog approaching to de.rision by the Right Honourable
Gentleman the Sec fr For 'Affairs. in con-

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
This being the day to which Parliament vMs prorogued for the
dispatch of business, the House tact iccordinglf.
'flu: Smacks took the chair at a quarter before three o'clock ;
soon after which, Sir Thomas Tyrwhltt, Usher of the Black Hod,
summoned the House to the House of Lords, to hear the Commis;
sion from his Majesty for opening the Session read. After /laving
been absent for about i quarter of an hour, the Speaker retdrned,
and passed through the House to his private room. He resumed
the chair at a few minutes before fonr o'clock, At which hour there
was rather a full attendance of Members.

The SPEAKER informed the House, that he had, pursuant to
Act bf Parliament, issued writs for the return of new Membersr—
for Lincoln:hire, in the room of the Hon. Charles Anderson Pelham,
now Lord Yarborough ' • and for the Borough of Liskeard, in the
room of the Hon. Wm. Eliot, now Earl of St. Germaini.

The new Member) then took the oaths and their 4eats.

Mr. LUSH IN GTON moved for new writs for the ,return of
Members—for the Borough of Eye, in the rims of Sir Robert
Gifford, who, had accepted the office of Lord Chief Justtee of the
Court of Common Pleas; for the Borough of Ashburton, in the
room of Sir John Singleton Copley, who had accepted the office of
his Majesty's Attorney-General; for the City of Oxford, in the
room of Charles Wetherell, Esq. who had accepted the office of his
Majesty's Solicitor-General; for Wigton, in the room of • Sir John
Osborn ; for Sandwich, in the room of Joseph Marryat, Fag: de-
ceased; for the County of Cavan, in the room of the Right lion.
John Maxwell Barry, now Earl of Farnham ; and for Dumfries, in
.the room of Wm. Robert Keith Douglas, Esq. who had accepted
the office of one of the Lords of the Admiralty.
• Lord WI Ll.l A M FITZG ER AI. D moved fors new writ for
the return of a Member for the county of Louth, in the room of the
Right Hon. Thomas Henry Skeffington, now a Peer.
The Clandestine Outlawry Bill pasted through the usual form.
The SPEAKER then said, that the Howe had attended in the
[louse of Lords tohear the Royal Speech delivered by Commission,
a copy of which he would then read. (See the STAR of yesterday.)
Mr. ROWLAND HILL then rose to move an Ad-
dress to his Majesty, in reply to his most gracious
Speech. In doing which the lion. Gentleman observed,
he had to claim a large portion of the indulgence of
the House. When he, however, recollected what had
been the situation of the country a short time ago, and
what it was at present, he felt the greatest satisfaction in
moving the present Address. When the present. state
of the country was contrasted with the past, it must
;give the greatest satisfaction to every one. Our manu-
'factures flourishing, our agriculture reviving, our te-
venue improving, and °taxation decreasing, were proofs
of the great exertions which had been made. He con,
gratulated the House on the present improved state *of
Ireland, and on the state ot• our foreign relations i• but
in a tone so low and. indistinct, that but little of what
he said could be collected in the Gallery. The last topic
of the Speech to which'he ackyerced was the state of.lfile.
West India Colonies.
..lie trusted the House woOsi.
without loss of time, turn its attention to this impot tint
subject; and at the same time, discuss it with coolire4-
and temperauce. 'The 'll4,oentleman, amidst 41*
.applause of the House,. concluded by moving an Ad-.
dress to-his Majesty. . • ;
Mr. DALY seconded the Address.He had, he said,:
so often experienced indulgence;, that he felt assured he'
should have it again; . the Speech was most satisfactory;
e situation of site country .was most flattering ; it wao
,only a few years ago when our ommeree experienced
difficulties in all directions ; now. itwas most flourishing.'
Great Britain, .in contests on which he need not dwell
had been triumphant, she haanot bowed before an able
and an inveterate enemy ; but hatirrsevered, and had
triumphed; and at the Congress our Ministers shewed
as much discretion, as, in the field courage had been
evinced ; he lamented the proceedings in Spain ; but the
very slight efforts made there proved the judicious
course that had been pursued by Ministers—(Hear!)
Besides, it was Most important, after the great struggle
in which we had been engaged, that we should enjoy
the blessings of peace. The country owed much to the
Ministers. Look in which 'direction they pleased, they
saw that the several interests .of the country were im-
proving; agriculture, in particular, was in a flourishing
condition. He thought, then, that there was good
ground for returning an Address on his Majesty's Speech.
It was a matter of no small congratulation, that in eight
years twenty millions of taxes had been remitted—
(Hear, hear).—Our resources were powerful. Even
France could not have made her " monstrous aggres-
sion" on Spain Without the aid .of British capitalists.
South America also presented matter for gratifying re-
collection, because there they saw the people throwing
off an odious yoke. He was pleased that Consuls had
been appointed; and he was satisfied with the course
that had been pursued by our Ministers. • The situa-
tion of the West Indies was painful. The question was
important, and ought to be approached with caution:.,
Mach temper was required, quite as Mak as had geed.
evinced in the West Indies; and they must not forget
the property which this country had involved in the
West Indies. As to the situation of 'his own, country,
he 'admitted that Parliament had dOne rrinch for Ireland,'
The recent measures were of a most beneficial tendency;
• they tended to convince the People•of Ireland that jus-:
Lice would now be donethem. (Hear:) He, however,
had much hope fromxice:Oployruent of English 'capital
in Ireland ; one manufactory, otiginatiog in Englislica-
pital, would do more good for Ireland than iolumes`of
laws--(Cheers). However, do what iheyvionld,•the're-.
sult-would notsbe as satisfactory a they. eotijd'ileike,
wbilethere..was a divided People--I(Cheir.s.) This Coon-,
try must be .happy, because there were no such impedia
ments in the way of its happinesi; a like system—the
• absenie of Was that divided the people, extended to
Ireland, would secure her happiness-t(Cheers.)
The SPEAXIIR then read the Address. •
Mr.- BROUGHAM said he.roie chiefly inconsequence
of wore irbieivitiods which had fallen from the Hon.
Seconder, having had no means of informing himself of
the contents of the-Speech, except so far as •they had
been.collected by anticipation in some Morning Papers,
add *a fOreigir Paper, which had. made a ye, y correct
conjecture, as to the substance of.the,King's'Speech---
(A laugh). Considering the magnitude .of the topics dis,
cussed, he wished the old practice of better times had
been followed; but is he knew it . would be violently
opposed if.he were to propcise .postponing the. considera.;,
tiou of the Speech till they had examined it, he should-
go on to remark on .some of those topics which halt
coming from the lips of the Hon; Seconder, given him un-
*feigned pleasare.!and delight. • He meant the- latter.part
Of that Hon. Gentleman's speech, from' whichit appeared
'that at lervir•GOvernment ltadLdeleirnined..to title
Ireland on see ..intelligible: and
_consistent. princißle..
Lite saw no reason:why this country should,, felicitate,
herself, or utter .ctingramlat,ions_ to.- the- thOwn, on the-
other evehts allnded to • by the Hon. gentleinati Whcesk:'
eciniled ilie4deliesss..SPain, it wisirne, hadbeen UnsucT
:essful in her struggle ; but %ere they for that to v.On?

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eettainif, and thus to continue ennecessaillYin a dude of mental tor-
tore duing the Whole inteivl that elapsed till her ditiesl ilinwt.
This Wi6 a• sample of what wits doing in RAY under the fitehtli
and tender extes of the Holy Allies, According to the liswelletbat
country the torture bad been abelishad; but the Judge of Polireeil
the victim refesed to answer, had the power of confining him to a
:dirk dungeon, of ordering that it should be Made More dark ht
-More damp, and therefore more uniebolelonne Thai the wretched
man might be treated until an avowal of guilt was extracted ftam
him, though not guilty at ell, In some cases, when the health and
mind sunk under contieeed oppression and imprisonment, it. was
knOWn that 'some, to rescue therbselves froM their miseries, huna-
pated even their can innocent* relations. There teas Ito ocaisiint to
say that atsimilerotate of thitigtexisted in Spain, since it vas com-
mitted to the cnargf of him who was a worthy representative of the
lioly Allies—ebe beloved Ferdinand—(A laugh)—who, he had no
'hesitation in saying, wa's an object of more contempt, abhorrence,
and disgust' than ail other man now living. There he was, after
-breaking through every obligation that should bind him as a Mo-
narch or a private mats, torturing innocent women, with the blood
of thegal!ant hut unfortainate Riegu's murder on his head. It was
impossible chit there could exist, eithet in that House or out of it,
hut ohs feeling el lierfor • end execration for the armed despots.
There was not one.who must not detest the %Aloic conduct and
principles of those Itoyalconspirators, who were now filling Eu-
rope with blood and.misery. Whatever might be the feelings with
respect to Old Spain, he found there were many persons, he did not
allude to his Majeitrs-11Ilnisterr, extremely sensitive as to anything
that regarded New Spays, any interference the French, or any
ether Power in that.quarter. Let the whole coax of Spain be under
the rule of a country irons which Ireland might be advantageously
invaded ; let that euuntry take possession of her harbours and her
arsenals how -in 'decay, and mike preparation for putting then%
into a state fit -teereceive and equip her fleets; let all this be dune,
these persons say we mind it not, Inc who is afraid of Fraree?
We beaehee before, and can again. What though we run up a bill
of ino,ooo,dool. ? 13ut •let. no one come near the Spanish Colonies,
'or atiebipt-to interfere With them, AS our trade arel commerce is
deeply huerest*d in their itideesentlence. The instant any attempt
of that ithel•is made, then, say they, go to war. How these per-
sem thought, after permitting the invasion of Spain, that they could
make out a case aaainst any policy trance might think fit to pursue
with regard to South America, be knew not. Ferdinand had just
-wetted a eightnow to Mexico as he hadzorne time back to Madrid.
. He wettest of petiession of Mures well as the ocher. "fie Colonies
were his tiej.ure, but it might be said that now depristhey were se..
panted from the mother country.. The Right Honourable Gentle-
niati Cannirig) said list sear, that time and the course of events
bad settled the queitictO with respect to -South America; but had
sot time also-settled the.questatin with teimett -to the Contititition
at Spain? Two years back there was no indication of disobedience'
to 'the new system introduced, there. It way ,recognized by this
country, inasmuch as a' Minister then resided at 'Madrid front the
Court of LontiOn. It iewil•eiognized four or fire years previously
by the Emperor of finish. These were inconsistencies he could
not, reconcile. He trustedehae South America would never ;eine%
under the dominion of the mother country, whatever might be the
farM of Government there, whether Constitutional, or, as it now
was, coinpletely Despotie. lie trusted these Colonies would retain
1 the freedom they had'putchased with their blood, and that, if the
necessity. shoteld arise; this .country would do her duty. Happilyi
this important question was now nearly disposed of. He spoke it
with pride and exultation, that an event had lately occurred which
Must be a source of pride to every nation that cherished any idea of
freedom, and fill with gratitude every bosom 'that regarded die
rights and liberties of mankind. He alluded to a declaration in the
Speech of the President of the United States—( Hear, hear.)—
lc was open, manly; and intelligible,. such as became a free nation;
and he trusted they would not' be deterred by any mean-spirited
calculations of prudence,lrinti any apprehension of giving offence to
then* Allies, from following the noble example, and joining out
efforts to those of the free people of America, to set bounds to the
encroachments of a despotic alliance, which, if once it could bring
the Old World under subjugation, would no doubt endeavour to
extend its tyranny to the New.' That 'such was their wish he
had no doubt. They had clear proof of it from the letter of Fee-
dinand, in which he expressed a hope that Emperor •of Rus-
sia, weuld assist him in the subjugation of South America. His
1.-n>erial Ally 'would no perhaps attempt this openly. But he
Might send ships to the Spanish pbits robe afterwards' employed in
,sevrar against the Colonies:---he might transnilttreMete, arms, mid
ammunition. 'lles assisted, :ieteigttersearmete 'with money ehulds
be dispatched into South Merriest, as t 14%), hadbeen into Spain. Pre.;
viously to fete contest, to sow tit:isention and to buy over •a
party. The !Priests would no doubt exert themselves inthe unholy
cause, as they over Away; the Mady*allies of *despotic tower.
such aids, suouec or later,, SOW.II. America must be reduced, unless '
She received the early au fl elecisive sepport of thiscountry, unless
they came jot ward to secoiA tigcleracieon of the United States. •
He regretted- that tih Honourable' ihaitierttan Who "secondeti -the
Address .aid anything in eklatisile to tifetunsuictesful (-Torts of 1116
uofottunate prat& pi Spain. .Errms no doubt had been committed
by their leaders,; a different policy might have led to Yen difftsrens
results. Mere forms were, perhaps, -too much attended to when
*substance only shoultnherebeeti regirde'd. But with respeetto the
illustrious individitals Who fersook their country when they saw that
their presence could no longer birds Mee, their highest praise was,
that they retired from Ow, atest.uusullied by blood and untainted

s, an .....suan .te retary for by the breath of subjectedsuspicill'litl themselves to no sharge,
• reign .. . _
sequence of some allusion he made to the conduct except perhaps that of not hitting acted with that degree of vigoqe
which it was then reported the Allies were pursuing the peculiar nature of the strutgle.required. lie tiusted they would
With respect to the Swiss Cantons. The i eply, however,
meet with tbe sympathy, the fellowship, and the assistance their:sof.'
elinade
s and
r,d
vast their
ms r
sum; upon
cause so well merited; and that they who bad
was, ." If the least of that little be much too much, all I
stl.objects far Ips worthy, would do justice .
;tan tell the Hon. Gentleman is, that the least of that
.to their merits, and not suffer them to sink under the pressure pf
little is much more than his Majesty's Ministers know." adversity. He asked pardon fo&liaving delayed the House so long.
It •was thus he answered, with something of an epi• It was rose
nor his intention when he to enter at such length into
the subject of the Address; but however he might approve-of other
grantatic turn, in place of communicating any accurate
parts of the Honourable Secoutler's speeeh, he could not but enter his •
information, of meeting the statement w ith a denial, or .protest against some of the doctrinea with which it concluded.
'ening no such information had reached Government. The question being then put,
It was the singularity of the Right Hon. Gentleman's • .
Mr. Secretary CANNING rose and saidL-Lhave.fetl
eZpressionsthat fixed the matter ialtis recollection. It i some diffidence in rl•ing itahe Present moment to mak;
turned'out, however, that 'the gre-ater part of what he i a few remarks on the speech' of the Hon. and Learned
(Mr.. 134 stated was true; and that they, without any J Gentleman' who has just addressed the House, as I had
Minister with a large salary at the S tics Cantons, were , learned, in the way of 'rumour; that it was the intention
More correct in their information than his Majesty's Ito move an Amendment on the' Address. As that in:
Government. It was true that there had issued a re- tention, however, seems to be abandoned, and as the
quisition to put down the free press of Switzerland, to speech of the Hon. Gentleman, t hOugh ire throws no • •
turn oat. all emigrants, all who took refuge there from practical obstacle in the way of the. motion which is
the persecutions and tyranny of their own country. Swit- proposed, contains some facts which it would riot be
zerland, that had been illustrious for ages for affording respectful to the Hews! for Me to psis over, I now offer
an asylum to those' who fled from religious or political myself to your attention:--Whitever-ixpreision of con:
perseeutiOn,Was thus ordered by Imperial mandate • to ,geatulation; Sir, may have fatten froin the...Honourable
r•nun our those who took refuge in her bosom. These un- Seconder, I think in fairneis to hiniit ought to have beet ..
fOrtunate men, too, were driven away with unnecessary taken in relation, not to it's.epdtsitel&pic of the Addrelv
violence; and a violence equally unnecessary was em- but to the whole 'of the' /MlA's Speech now noder con;
-played in. putting down the free press. Nt,t :content sideration, and to all the torts to which tile Honour:I; •
•Wridisiipritissing the common vehicles of political in- ble Seconder himself-took iscciSion to advert: I agrte
telligerice and passing events, they suppressed even entirely with the Honourable and Learned Gentleman,
journals which wet e merely the depositaries of scientific that this is not the time for "discusiing with advanttge -
discussion, not from any political offences committed the course of policy which this country, has puraped .
by them, but because they had the savour of dit.cos,ion; with respect to the late contest in Spain; I think,'
-and the Allies feared that anyth:Lig like a spirit ut dis- too, he will concur with me •in sayings that the Illu-
cussion upon any subject, rni!:;lit involve themselves.— sion to that policy in the Speech, could 'scattily have
The Attie was the 'case all through Germany. There the Allies been more limited, and that it was lieceiiiiiili
_called
acted like a sort of armed police. They met, concerted their vimna, , . .
'and appointed each other tti carry them into execution. At one time tor by that Address, which I need not say with how
'ltaly was the country to he overrun, at another time Spain : Austria large a majority, nor with how entire a concurrence of
was appointed to do the'business at one time, and France at anto the sense of the country, the Housetartied to. the foot
them Without phtting a single question to this country on the soh- of the Throne, in approbationlifi the System of nen- -
ject —without any shew of respect to her Government, any deference
trality wl.ich his Majesty had htiti 1 • •
t git proper to pursue.
tor her principles or opinions, their meisuceswete concluded upon ;,„
and carried' into execution. And this, he was now told, ought to ilie events which called for that Address having been
be a subject of congratulation. This was that star of unexampled brought to a conclusion, it was impossible to avoid-re- '
' influence the country find reached; this was.bolding the balance be- setting to that Address, and I think it was equally in-
tweets the Powers of Europe. If any man doubted that the same possible to do so in a manner less calculated Co revive'
conspirators who put down the free Press of Switzerland were put- .
suing the' same course with respect to Germany, let him only look NA
•st differences. .As little am I disposed to follow the
,at the case of Wurtethburg. There was not a Single Editor of x HOD.
.Gentleman behind me (Mr. Daly) in criticisms
Journal in Germany'who would rttivi dare to publish aity article which may come from him with better grace than from
tending to give inlirage, not merely- to the Sovereign of the State one who fillS the station I hold. Goo forbid that. I •
in which'it was published, and whh might be supposed to possess
should
Woe right of interference, but to the Czar of Muscovy, the King
.i (Srreproach wilt
exultover .s'Ortune• it the
4111 s
'of France; or the'Emptror• of Austria. 'lt was the same with re- want of the qualities which
....spect to •Italy, in the southern parts-ef which a force of 30,000 Aims- ib Spain ! Goo-forbid that I should attribute to those
• trians slinvernaiutil ; and in the North, scenes of cruelty and op- who are no inof disappointed hopes—:kults' •
w:agony
the
. pression were now going on that madethe blood creep. For very
which were iiiherent in the very system of things; Ad
obvious reasons he did not mean to enter deeply into this subject ;
' 'hilt it was iitiposiible'not to observe that now, atter undergoing the 1 which no individual
viitue and talent could, I .sincerely
torture' of intyrisonnitat Tor-tbree 'tears, many were lately put to i believe, have been of avail to resist ( Hear, hear, hear !).

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Noble niiibie, to iii.iiiiittin the Conititution; hat beatiselbey
to t) were no* only one degree better than they could Nava'
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• . Ilea:Won sias.tuaroora aff ifot
wanton cruelty. Otte: a hook *hi
ditainob to wish sii•ltallon in Went, MA;
figthit fie flu • deaill. Oil her artival, though the tintonse-
hid been tommutiliSor-itnpriedsuents the bet was nos eaensniiitl•
sited to her. She was allowed to return in *state of painful