Star.
London, England, 1807-07-14 00:00:00

sthlch had been made on this tobjea by his Majelly'so
Mittiffere was fp clear, that only one point temainedtl
to be'explainid, and that was, why the duties levied
by Iht Order of Council were higher than thole levied
`by the expired Aels? He allowed that the law had
been'infringed, and confequently that &material in-
convenience had been incurred. Was the Order of
Council a meatule of political neceffity, which it
could have been criminal in Miniilers not to aivife
Majetly to .adopt? He thoutht it was. At -the
.fame time it was perfcdtly fair in thofe who difap
proved of the diffolution, to tell Mininerc that they
had put themfelves into a lunation, in which they
were compelled to break the law, and that therefore

they mull abide by the confequences of their ill ad-
vice to his neje(ly to diffolee Parliament. Every
faculty and energy of the country ought to be called
'fur+ in this momentous crifis ; bit nothing c uld
•*ive him greater alarm than to fee fuch -concellions
granted to the Catholics as teemed to be recommen-
ded by his Noble Friend who had just fat down. He
contended that it was untrue to fay we were a divided
people. He had oppofed the Catholic meafure, be•
caufe he thought it pregnant with the utmott danger
to the Cnnilitution ; for, differing completely from
his Noble Friend'on this fubjed, he owned that he had
azlways underdond that Proteßantifm and civil liberty
were as infcparable as Popery and evil liberty were
incompatible. This country mull have an eltablifhed
Church, if it wifhed to preferve religion and morals ;
and what Church was preferable to the Protedant ?
Lord REDESDALF. was adverfe to any farther
coneeflions to the frith Catholics, not In much on
account of the objedinn he entertained againll the
Catholic Religion, as becaufe there were certain pn.
litical opini tns Which thefe Catholics held to be tell
Thefe opiaions they adopted in c.rnfequence
_ of their alliance with a falling political party in Ire•
land, and to thOrifluence of that party might be
attributed all The dinurbances which had fo long
agitated Ireland, •and alto all the difficulties which
Rood in the way of 'a complete conciliation of the
Catholics. Between the Catholics of Ireland and thofe
of this crentry, there did, the Noble Lord obferved,
exift a material difference in this reined. Bat he was
lorry tnperceive that of late years the Engin Catholics
Teemed to have adoped too much of the political cha•
railer of the Irifh Catholics, notwithdanding the pre-
cedent and laudable refinance of tome of their leaders.

As to the bell means of more clofely cementing the
conneftion between Ireland and this eountry, the No- '
ble Lord earneftly recommended the fpeedy adoption
of frme meafures to Qrengthen the Protellant efiablifh•
ment in Ireland, which he thought in a very precarious
Rate at prefent. The difference between the Catholic re.
ligion in the two countries he conceived to be this, that
in England it was felt to be a tolerated religion, while
in Ireland it was the rival of the Ellablifbed Church.
Lord BUCKINGHAMSHIRE difclaimed the
idea which the Noble Lord he had heard, had the
arrogance to hate, that no time could arife in which
the claims oflihe Catholics ought not to be acceded
to He Thou ld only fay, that he did not think it pro-
bable that he fhould live th fee the day. With regard
To what had been fo often Rated, as to the opinions
entertained upon this fubjeet, particularly at the pc-
tiod of the Union, by an illutirious perfon now no
more (Mr. Pitt), he could declare, as one of thofe
who had the honour of being frequently confulted by
that great conduelor of the nation, that he never, in
any initance, undertlood him to hold an opinion,
that what was called Catholic Emancipation, or ad-
mitring Catholics into Parliament, mull be the con-
fequence of it. For himfelf, he would not hefitate
to fay, that if he had apprehended fuch a confequence
from the Union, he would, much as he defired that
meafure, have been among the firll oppofe it—
becaufe;from the admiffion of Catholics he had reafon
to apprehend more mifchief than could be counter.
balancedby any good the Union was likely to produce.
Lord GRENVILLE, in explanation, declared the
convielkn of his mind, that without Catholic Eman
cipation no other meafirre could retain Ireland in her
union with this country.
The Earl of WESTMORELAND argued in fop.
port of the moti'n. With refpe& to the other topics
that had been introduced into the debate, as conneeled
with the queßion which was immediately before their
Lordfhip,, he obferved that when he was Lord Lieu-
tenant of Ireland, if conceflions were made to the
Roman Catholics of that country, thofe conceffions
were authorized by the King and by the Minillers
this country. As to the other principal point that
bad been urged in debate, the diffolution, Parliament'
thad already come to a decifion oa that head. He
lhould therefore leave thefe queflions to their Lord.
/hips' conlideration, without any obfervation on his
Fort.
Lord HOLLAND briefly explained, and ac-
quainted their Lordthips that he put poled fubmitting
in forne future Rage of the Bill 11. me alteration in
the pr eamble.
The queflion was then put and carried in the affir-
mative. The Bill was ordered to be committed to-
morrow (this day )
The American Trade Bill was ordered to be read
a third time ; and it was ordered that their Lerd-
flips be fummoned.—Adjourned at half pall one.