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MICE SEVEN PENCE.

did not mean to apply to the Right Rev. Prelate who had
presented the Petitiop, for he bad always spoken of the Dissenters
with a degree of fairness and candour highly creditable to him.
Notwithstanding the evidence of a few Petitions, be (Lord C.) did
not believe that the great body of the Dissenters were against con-
cessions to the Catholics.

He also presented a Petition dom the inhabitauts of 1 ket-strest,
against the Thames Quay Bill.
Mr. BYNG presented a Petition from scveral Justices of the
Peace of London and Middlesex, against the London and West-
minster Water Works Bill. Referred to the Committee on the
said Bill. •
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Lord HILL presented a Petition from Newry in favour of the
Bristol Canal Bill.—Laid on the Table. ' •
Lord STANLEY presented a Petition from Preston, praying for
a repeal of the Window Tax.—Laid on the table.
"The Noble Lord also presented a Petition from many of the
Protestants of Rochdale, in favour of the Catholic Claims.
Mr. Al A DER LEY postponed his motion for the Repeal of the
Duty on Beer, which stood for this evening, to the sth May.

The Petition having been read and laid on the table,
The Bishop of CHESTER presented one against
fresh concessions to the Catholics from the Pastor
and Congregation of Jewry Chapel, Aldgate. He
took this opportunity in his own name and that of
his Rev. Brethren, to disclaim the compliment which
Lad been paid them at the expense of their predecessors.
He appealed to their Lordships whether it had been the habit of
any of those predecessors to speak disrespectfully of Dissenters ? If
there were an unusual How of cordiality on the part of the Prelates
of the Established Church towards those who dissented from it, it
was because they perceived in the latter symptoms of growing can-
dour, he would nut say att.rehment towards the Church. Hard
must be his heart and that of his Rev. Brethren, if, under thote cir-
cumstances, they were not to relent, and to extend the right hand
of fellowship to Dissenters.
Lord CALL HORPEhaving explained, the Petition was laid
on the table.—Similar Petitions were then pres•gued—
By the Bishop of BATH and Watts, front the Parish of Hone-
burne, in the County or Hants; and limn the Archdeacon and
Clergy of the DioEese of Rochester.
By the ishop of Gurucesswa, front the Rural Dean and
Deanery of Cirenstaster.
By Earl DAETNOUTH, front the towns of Darleston and West
Bromwich, in the County of Stafford.
By Viscount DUDLEY and WARD front some place, the name of
which could not be heard.
By Lord Coliseums, from the Parish of Glenbury, in the
County of Chester.
Earl DARNLEY had been reading the Petition pre-
sented by a Right Rev. Prelate opposite, film the Arch-
deacon and Clergy of the Diocese of Rochester. He
nut only approved of the temperate language in which
it was worded, but he fully agreed with the prayer
of it, for it prayed that their Lordships would make no other
concessions to the Catholics than were necessary for the pre-
servation of the public peace, and in no degree hazardous to
the (Soil and Religious Establishment of this Realm. That
was aU that he required, and aU that was asked by the Catholics
themselves.
The Bishop of BATII and WELLS was glad that the Noble
Earl agreed with the prlyer of that Petition, and had no doubt
that if other Noble Lords had read the Petitions of the Clergy as
attentively as that Noble. Earl bad done, they too would have
agreed to their prayer.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE presented a Petition against the
Catholic Claims from the Inhabitants of the town and vicinity of
Nottingham signed by upwards of 3,000 individuals.
Lord KING read a placard which had been posted
in the streets of Nottingham, in which the people were
pressed on their duty to their King, their Country, and
their GOD, to sign Petitions against those Papists, who
worship gods a:.d goddesses, and now wished to de-
liver up the State into the hands of a foreign Head.
It had been said by a Right Rev. Prelate a few days since, that
' Petitions had been got up without any means being taken of excit-
ing the people. Were placards like that *hick he had read no
means of excitement? - •
The Bishop of CHESTER had not, said what the
Noble Lord attributed to him. • AU he had said. was,
that no public meetings had been held on the subject,
and that he had discouraged them, as h(did not conceive it proper
that a question involving religious feeling should be discutseti at a
public meeting.
..ord HOLLAND said that the motives or thtßight
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11.i.v. Prelate did himhonour ; but if it' were improver
to discuss a goestion involving religious feeling at a
public meeting, it was also impossible to collect public opinion with-
tott pUblic meetings. .• . .
• 'The Petition was then laid on the table, together with a similar
one from the borough of Daventry, olso presented by the Duke of
NEWCASTLE. -
Bid FITZWILLIAM ptemn.ted a Petitibn in favour of the
Catholic Mimi from the inhabitants of • the city and barbugh of
Peterborough.
The Bishop of CHESTER asked by howdnany it was signed,? .
Earl FITZ.WILLIAM knew nut exude. He believed 14—•••
128, bat they were most respectable in4laidatils.—ltead
on the table.

THE FORGED PE rams.
S'y JOHN NEWPORT took that opportunity' of
adverting to the forged Petiti.:n, which he had been
made the instrument of ptesenting to the House not
long since. He held in his hand a written declaration,
seat to him lions a person declaring that he ova: aware
of the ge ting 'up of the Petition in question, of the per-
sons who weqe concerned in it, and sif every step wlfch.
had been taken with regard to it, and that he was ready
to certify on osth, that no Roman. Catholic w.is in the
roost remote degree connected with tile atf.iir. Ile
thought himself called upon to .s ate this, because
much stress had been laid upon this Petition ; and it
was therefore•most material that the H. should be
early aware the true state of the case. Gre.t pains
hAd been taken to cast the odium of the lagery on t'.e
Catholics, and thereby prejudice zf•eil cause. It had been
said, with reference to the forged Petition, that, 4, that
cause must be foul indeed which stled inn' eJ rf such
support." These words now applied to the other side of the ques-
tion, for foul indeed must be that cause which could hrst fabricate
an instrument of this kind, and then lay the blame of it on the ad-
verse party. Tlie whole business was now under the investigation
of a Committee. To that. Committee he should deliver up this
paper, and whomsoever the parties might turn nut to be, he
trusted the .severe displeasure a the House would be visited
upon them.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that if the M .n. Baronet
thought that any one imputed the fabricated Petition
to the Catholics, he concurred with him in the propriety
of the mode he had taken to remove the impression.—
If, howevelV, he had no grounds for such an opinion, he
should think he had better have waited till the Com-
mittee had ended their inquiry. For his own part be
begged distinctly to declare,, that it had never entered
into his mind that the Catholics were concerned in the
fabrication of the Petition. The coutse which the Hon.
Baronet had taken, therefore, was qu.te unnecess .ry
as
far as be (Mr. Secretary Peel) was concerned. Hut he entirely
concurred with him in a desire to see the persons implicated,
whether Protestant or Catholic, brought to their well-merited
punishment.

Sir JOHN NEWPORT observed, that the imputa-
tion on the Catholics was contained in the Petition disclaiming the
forged Petition.. .. ....
Mr. CAIUS WILSON did not think there was any
reason for charging this reprehensibk act upon one side or other of
the Catholic Question. . •
. The Petition was ,the read and ordered to lie on the table.,
, • • - .• • , CaTVOLIC CLAIMF. .
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Mr. DAVENPORT presented i Petition from Nintwich,
praying that no further concessions may be made to the tshoties.
-"Laid on the table.
Similar Petitions were presented from Brlstisl,Worthlog. the Pa.
rish of St. Siviilln, and Donagh, in Monaghan.—Read,. and of-
dered to lie oh the table.
Sir M. R/DLRY presented a Petitiotthout the Annuoicashis-
tics of several places in the Notch of pea l& prayinOiStilitslic
Emancipation.—Ordered so be.printed. , - * • '• '
Mr. J. P. G'R ANT poseponed his motion relatite to sll4llatr• of
Scotland, to Thursday klie•Sth of May. '. ,:- ...• .t suit .
Colonel( MUNDY ,preeented•.a Petition front the pinntrof
Derby against any alteration is the Corn Laws.' ~ • . 4. ti -1,
A similar Petition was presensid from Ashby-tleitPuek.,—
Ordiirecl to be printed,: • !-. r-
*Sit; J. MACKINTOSH presented a Petitton feetttithe
Met4anti and flanker, of Gla4gow• in' favoist of,. tile
dagtolic Claims. Heiaid, that this Petition eiiini from •
a'body Of Alen,. who usually, on cpl-stiOnt br ordiiiiry•
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politics, agreed.witli his Majesty's (3overntheng ,lp, ,ere
bad been adVerse Petitions from the Hammerteen adiTutcfsifri of
Glastoniandhe meant to say noibing iiiinsi thniellexlieivbiii he •
claimed for this. Petition at leastA Ouch.. cOnskilecation as ilutt of
those reepectable Bodies. • .i.. • : . , • •• •
• ..M.r. }IONE said, lest the Fio'use should be tnii,lid by
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thir high-sounding names of Iniorpoiated podtes,' he
would state, th4t at some of the meeiingi of these Cot-
rate .
p Iktdies there were not more than ten individualspresent.
. Mr. C. HUTeIIiNSON thanked his. Hon. Friend
for setting the House right on that rani.
After a few words from Mr. Maiwint and Mr. J. P. Gals; •
the Petition was brought up, and laid on the table. ' , . - • •
Sir M. RIDLEY presented a Petition from the Roman Catho- .
tics of . Northumberland, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, and Durham, in
favour of the Catkiiiie Clain% •
Similar Petifions were presented from Kinpton, from the
Catholics of Blackburn, and from the Catholics -of the' Midland
Counties of England.
A Petition was-presented from 'the Owners of Whale Ships,
against the reduction of Rape Duties.
Mr. Secretary PEEL presented a Petition from the Church-
wardens and Inhabitants of Burlescombe, Devonshire, splint the
Catholic Claims.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a Petition from Thonsas, Ila.
minor'. praying for tome alteration in the Bankrupt Lawf.Or-
dried to be printed.
Mr. HUME presented a Petition from certain Roman Ca:holics,
resident at Blackburn, in the County Palatine of Lancaster, its la-
, your of the Catholic Claims.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. HUME presented a Petition from Mr. J. Lawless, of Bel-
last, against the alteration of the Elective Franchise in Inland,
and against making any pecuniary allowance to the Catholle-Priest-
hood.—Ordered to lie on the table.

EQUITABLE LOAN. •

Lord HOLLAND presented Petition front the Traders. In.
habitants, and Mechanics of London and Westminster, in favour
of the Equitable: Loan Bill, and wished to guard against being
understood to express an opinion either way on the subject. Laid
on the table
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY preiented a shnibt Petition,
'most respectably signed, from the-Traders and Inhabitants of New
Sarum. Laid on the table. a
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FORFEITURES IN SCOTLAND.. • •••
Lord HOLLAND wished to ask a Noble Viscount who MA
so successfully employed himself in improving the systemsof Juris-
prudence in Scotland, whether it was his intention in the course St
the present Session to propose any measure to alter the law of tor.
feiture and corruption of blood as it•now stood-in•that gauntry ?
Viscount MELVILLE replied, that he did not-intend. to bring
In any particular.measure on the subject, because it was the policy
of this country to assimilate the laws of .ngland and Scotland, and
a separate measure would only serve to create a fresh distinction.
The whole should be treated as a general queitidn.`
Lord HOLLANI) then gave•notica• that he should take an
early opportunity (to-morrow, was understood) of introdwing •a
Bill to abolish the laws respecting Forfeiture and Corruption of
Blood in Scotland.

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SILLS. .
The Police Magistrates Salukis Bill, 'the Ittkeepers' AllOwance
Bill, and the Threatening Letters Amendment fills, went respec-
tively through Committees, and were reported.—Adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The Gallery was opened at half-past twelve o'clock, when it was
immediately tilled by the throng, who had already been in attend-
ance for same time.
The SPEAKER took the chsir a few minutes before 'four. The
House was then crowded with Members.
A person front the Treasury IW...seined certain papers, in com-
pliance with the Order of the House, relating to the Corn Averages.
Mr. MANSFIELD presented a Petition front the Shipowners
of North Shields. against the compulsory clause in the Colliers'
Dock Bill.—Laid on the table.
Mr. JON ES presented a Petition from Carmarthen, in favour of
the lkistol Canal Bill.;—Laid on the table.
The Orders of the Day for the second reading of the Bristol
Canal Bit!, and the third reading of the St. Catherine's Dock
Bill were postponed WV to-morrow, in order to avoid the inconve-
nience of discussing and dividing it:4 House upon those measures
pending the great Question fixed for the evening.
Mr. BOOTLE. w I LIS It ALIA NI presented a Petition from the
town of Dover, against the Metropolitan Fish Company's Bill.
Mr. lIOBHOUSE presented a Petition numerously signed by
persons dwelling in the neighbourhood of Grosvenor.place, against
the Bill for the improvement of the Turnpike-road leading from
Hyde Park Corner, and particularly against the erection of a
second tt.ll bar.
Mr. BY NG said, that the second bar would only be one at
the entrance of Grusvenorplace, which was at present subject to
the payment of toll.—Ordered to be referred to the Committee
on the said Bill.
Mr. CALVERT presented a Petition from the Pariah of St.
George's in the East, against the Cullicrs' Dock Bill. Laid on
the table.
-'Mr. Alder man WOOD presented a similar Petition front several
hundred Manufacturers and Consumers of Coal is the Port of
London.—ltefertcd to the Committee.
The Honourable Member presented similar Petitions from the
, Watermen and Lightermen of the !liver Thames, against the Col-
: lier Dock and lirrmoodovy Dock MIL

The same Hon. Gentleman also had a Petition front the Seamen
of Newcastle, against altering the Combination Laws.
Sir T. LETHBRIDGE objected to receiving chill Petition, as
no measure was yet before the House, and the Petition stated,
" Having learnt that charges bad been made out against them before
the House, from the Newspapers." It was an argumentative Pe-
tition, and, in bis opinion, a breach of the privileges of the House.
Mr, BARING said there was a great deal of weight in what
bad fallen from the Hon. Baronet.
)Jr. C. WY NN suggested the withdrawing of the Petition. •
Mr. HU Al E agreed to withdraw the Petition.-
Sir T. LETHBRIDGE presented &Petition from Wellington,
for the repeal of the House and Window Tales.
Mr. Alderman THOMPSON presented a Petition from Ate In-
habitants of London, Southwark, and Westminster;. against the
Catholic Claims. -
Mr. MARTIN said, a friend of his bad told him, that fit be
was passing by the London Tavern, a Charity-boy invited him to
walk in and sign a Petition ; be went in, and found four sling of
pat chment on the table, but no Petition was there, nor edgy is it
and he was told it was agreed to at a meeting of about SlOGentle•
men. How far this was the Petition that it purported to be he
left the House to judge ; he had afterwards, by going bin self, ve-
rified the truth of his friend's statement.
Mr. J. SMITH confirmed the statement of the I-lon.
amtlemut. Ile believed that many unworthy ptac-
tices had been resorted to in procuring signatures .to
Petitions of this soil. He believed that the makisivy of
the Clergy were favourable to this great .meatite, )et

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