Star.
London, England, 1822-02-06 00:00:00

ral's Hovernment would be prepared with giant for the raked I
the country.
ar J. SKBRIGHT thought the Maher for Aberdeen de.
serred the thanks of the House and. the Country. Reduction
mast take place, for without it, neither the *wean nor occupiers
of land would be able to psy the taxation.
Mr. GOOCII was glad to think that Ministers intended to
measures of reduction.
propose
R ICA RDO could not agree that the distress 11 the *get-
euhttrallsts arose from excessive taxation. It originated in the
low pries of their produce, and that could never arise train st-
ens of taxation. He should however vote for every practical
redaction,
Mr. ASTELT. called on the House to give a pledge of eco-
nomy and retrenchment, from the highest to the lowest.
Mr. BEN NET contended that the taxes were the cave
the agricultural distress, which could only be relieved by reduo.
tion. He should vote for the amendment.
Mr. BATHURST said, that when the House saw rebinds
carried into effect from the highest to the lowest, it welddillien
be for them to say Whether mote should be done or not.
Sir E. KNATCHBULL could not support the amendment%
although he acknowledged many parts of it were applicable to
the existing state of the country. He could sot support the
course suggested by the lbw. Member !be Aberdeen, because
he considered the line of conduct now adopted by that Hon.
Member as an attempt to take out of the hands of his Majesty's
Government the measures to be proposed on this subject. He
was concerned that no measure, however sound, or however
respectable the quarter ftom which it might come was, could
succeed, unless it originated with the Government.—(laud cries
e“ Hear I" from tAe (lpylosidos Beaches).
Mr. BROUGHAM said, that if be muted any new argu.
meat to fix the vote which he bad detertnined to give, he had it
abundantly furnished by the Hon. Baronet who spoke last, one
of the Representatives for the county of Kent, the most distressed
of all the agricultural mullein of England—(heer, hear). The
reasoning of the Hon. Baronet signified this—that nothing from
any quarter, save the Ministers, could hope for success there—
that, be the quarter ever so respectable, be the measure ever, so
sound, be the exigency ever so urgent, unless that measure had
the support of Ministers, vain were its hopes of success, melee(
its chance of adoption—( Hear). The country might perish, the
state of the county of Kent might, if it were possible, become
even more wretched than it was, still no measure could ever
hope for success, unless it originated with Government—(Hear).
Such was the opinion of the lion. Baronet. Not meaning to
place this confidence In Ministers, he should vote for the Amend-
ment, conceiving that by doing so he gave no offence, not even
the slightest to his Sovereign ; for it was the ancient constitu-
tional duty of Parliament well to advise his Majesty in the ar-
duous affairs of his realm. They were to give counsel to the
Throne—not to carry up the smooth language of flattery In set
phrases—not to re-echo trite sentences of adulation, but to de-
liver wholesome truths, regardless whither they were agreeable
or disagreeable to the Ministers, who were alone the authors of
the King's Speech, and who were also the proposers of the Ad-
dress, which was, in fact, an answer to themselves-(Hear, hear).
Those who voted for the amendment only acted in that spirit
wbielt the exigencies of the case demanded, and which that
House would betray its duty to the people, if it did not then
adopt—(Hear, bear).—He begged pardon of the House for
this intrusion upon them, but he should have felt that he had
undischarged his duty if he bad refrained from stating, that
the very reasons urged by the Hon. Member for the County of
Kent for voting against the amendment, were in themselves the
strongest which could be adduced in its favour-.(Hear)
Lord PAL MERSTON said, the Amendment at the Hem.
Member for Aberdeen tended to hurry the House into a question'
whether it ought to continue the system of credit it had always
sanctioned ?—( No, no! from the Opposition). It was evident
that the Amendment went to pledge the House to the removal
of a large portion of taxes, which could not possibly be effected
without an injury to the public credit it was vain to look for re-
lief from taxes, if the heaviest of all taxes, that of the responsi-
bility of public faith, was neglected.
Lord A. HAMILTON said, compulsion alone would induce
his Majesty's Ministers to make any reduction. He would,
therefore, vote for the Amendment.
Mr. MA RRT ATwondered that retrenchment had been omitted
to be necessary, and that therefore as the Amendment did not
pledge them to any thing specifically, the whole resolved itself
into this—that those who thought retrenchment necessary, would,
as a consequence, vote for the Amendment; these who thought
otherwise, would vote against it.
Mr. LENNARD imagined, that if the House supported the
Amendment, it would be considered a pledge of their anxiety to
promote retrenchment.
The He-se then divided, after repeated cries-of " Question,"
when the numbers were—

For the Amendment, 89—Against it, 171—Majority against
it, 82.