Star.
London, England, 1823-03-20 00:00:00

MISCELLANEOUS ESTIMATES.

Oh the motion of Mr. LUSH I NGTON, the House
went into a Committee of Supply. The House being
in a Committee,

Mr. LUSHIIs4 GTON, addressing himself to the
Chairman, said, that the Miscellaneous Estitnates
which he was now -about to lay before the Com-
mittee would be found formed t)y his Right Han.
Friend (Me. Arbuthnotl, so as to give more minute
details than usual, and he thought it would be seen
also, that the accounts had been much simplified
since the presentation of those laid before the House
last Session. The reductions were matters of fact,
and were of a nature which he had no doubt would
give satisfaction to the Committee. They would be
disclosed as the several votes were put ; and, in the
course of them, he should be happy to give every
information required by the Committee. He then
moved the first vote for twenty-seven thousand pounds
for Army Extraordinaries.

Mr. HUME was ready to admit that these Esti-
mates were more detailed than those of last year ;
but he thought they might be made still fuller ; and
trusted that those of the next Session would be made
so. He did not think it was sound policy in this
country to maintain Colonies at a large expense.—
Three hundred thousand pounds were incurred in
this respect for Canada. There was a charge too, he
observed, of 28,0001. for Bermuda. This, he pre-
sumed, was in consequence of Bermuda being made
a naval station ; and if so, he was very sorry for it,
as that place was never intended by nature for a naval
station. The Cape of Good Hope cost 120,0001. a
year ; 10,0001. a year British money being allowed
to the Governor. This led him to make a passing
remark-on the way in which the lands
.at the Cape'
were disposed of. If a plan, different from the pre-'
sent, were to be adopted,. he was satisfied those lands
would bring a considerable sum. At present, al-
though
settlers in general were allowed tracks of
land, they were allotted most inconveniently, and at
a great distance from the seat of Government, unless
'the applicant were a favourite, or politically con-
nected with those who had influence in the distribu-
tion. This country was charged also with the ex-
penses of the lonian Islands ; and yet the Govern-
ment of them was highly objectionable and gave
considerable dissatisfaction to the natives. The people,
indeed, had formed so unfavourable an opinion of
England, from the -conduct of the Government of
the Islands, that they had much difficulty in getting
any one of their number to come over with their
complaints, it being apprehended that the bearer of
them would be thrown into priion. He was aware
that an alteration had recently taken place in the
system ; an alteration for which he believed• they
were indebted to the influence of the Right Honour-
able Gentleman at the head of the Foreign Affairs.—
Even now, however, 3000 troops were kept in those
islands ; and as they were the means of depressing
the spirits and stifling the energies of the inhabitants,
he trusted they would be withdrawn, and this, he was
convinced, would be a measure ensuring the attach-
ment of the inhabitants to this country. The Lord
Commissioner of these Islands, Sir Thomai Maitland,
was also Governor of Malta; and he (Mr. Hume) was
fully satisfied that the two offices were incompatible
with each other. At Malta a Board of Health had
been established, by means of which, any person an
object of dislike to Sir Thomas Maitland, might be
sent out of the island under cover of the laws of
quarantine, He really thought the expenses relative
to these islands ought to be refused altogether. He
next came to the island of Heligoland, which had cost
this country many times more money than it was
worth, and which he considered of no use at all. Its
use during the war was principally to promote the
smuggling of English goods to the Continent. As to
all these islands, he objected to the mode of paying
their expenses through agents. He conceived that all
the business might be transacted at the Colonial
Office. He repeated his admission that all the esti-
mates were much improved. He was not disposed to
give the Committee any unnecessary trouble; but he
could not refrain from adverting to the situation of
New Brunst% ick. The people of that country had
offered to relieve this country from all the expense
incurred on their account, provided they were allowed
to nominate the officers of their own Customs, they
being much dissatisfied with the present officers.—
The military establishment too, was, he thought, al-
together unnecessary at New Brunswick. lithe Hun.
Secretary opposite were to read the pamphlet pub-
lished by Mr. Gourlay respecting our Canada pos-
sesstons, he thought the Hon. Gentleman would de-
rive much benefit from it. Mr. Gourlay was, in his
opinion, a most oppressed individual, and had been -
sent away by the Canadian Government merely be-
cause he was thought too troublesome, He (Mr.
Hume) had not, however, any desire to reflect inci-
dentally upon individuals, and he trusted the Com-
mittee would give him credit for his •statement that
he desired to avoid such a course. He should not offer
any opposition to the vote.
Mr. WILMOT
.could not come prepared with. all
the details which the subject might require; but he
(Mr.Wilmot) should answer them generally, be had
no doubt, to the_ satisfaction of the Committee. It was,
for the House to determine whether the Colonial Re-
venue was well administered, and whether any defi-
ciency should be supplied from that of this coootry.,
With, respect to the expenses for Bermuda, the LICOM
Gentleman had already stated it to be a naval swims,
though he thought it ought not to be one. It had,
however, been chosen for that purpose upon 'what
were considered to be the best opinions, and after

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mach consideration. He had no desire to undervalue'
of the number vaccinated, and he hoped the motion
the pamphlet-of Mr. Gourlay; Ito which the Hon- would be postponed till that was on the table.
!Member had referred ; but he distinctly denied that Mr. DAWSON defended the utility of the Institn-
that individual had been oppressed. The ca,e
of tinn. It was the only one which could be depended
j
' Canada was under the serious consideration of Go- on for the procuring of vaccine matter. There were
fifty or sixty applications to it in one week.
vernment. A Commission had been appointed to
enquire into the administration of many of the Mr. HUME objected to the paying of £BOO to
islands, the returns from which would regelaele eight Physicians, who were mean °weigh to take it
be laid before the Howe. On the subject of the 1 out of the public money, although.they (lid not lull
lonian Islands, he differed altogether from the lion. ' the duty which the practitioners at other Institutions.
did gratis. As a proof of the had masagement of
Member. Relative fo• the conflict in Greece, the
strictest injunctions had been sent out by the British i the Institution, he would say that Dr. Jermer had se.
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Government to maintain the most.rigid neutrality. paroled himself from it.
The lonian Islands were never in a more prospesous Mr. DAWSON thought it unfair to cast impute.
state than they were at present ; and, although from tions upon such men as Sir H. flitlfOrd, although
the peculiar circumstances of those islands, the theytroves received 1001. for two hours professional attend
once each week. With regard to Dr. ,Termer, he had
kept there were necessat y, he denied that they were
kept for the purpose mentioned by the Hoe- Metil'ier- left the Institution upon some personal ground. li
He could assure the Committee that the Government it would afford any satisfaction to the House, he had
were anxious to conduct our colonial affairs with no objection that this vote should be postponed till the
Return which had been moved for he laid on the table.
every practical economy ; but such an economy must
be considered with particular reference to the seem ity Sir %V. GUISE r
thought it his duty •.sa ::;ration the
and integrity of our colonial possessions—(Hear). great benefit which Dr-fernier had bestowed, not
Mr. FIUNIE was prepared to prove all his allege- only upon this country, but uron inaekind ; and he
tions at any moment to the House. With regard to begged to propose, as an Amend rem, that 500/. be
Mi. Gourlay, he was a very oppressed mar. All added to the vote, for the purpose of erecting a Montt-
that the Authorities could say _was, that he was a mein to his memory.—The Resolution was agreed to,
troublesome man. NVlry a troublesome marl may The following sums were next voted :
make himself very useful—( el herele).—He (Mr. xeo,ooo for paying the bills drawn by Government foe paying
Fee Fund of the Treasury.
Hume) sl:oke feelingly—(Alaugh);—for his men the Lounties for the capture of Slave.-ships and the release of Slaves.
X 2.2,750 fur the deficiency of the
good qualities were pretty much of the same order—
.#2l3.oco for the Fee blond of the I lonic Department.
(Hear, lour).—He still maintained the same opini)n £,0,538 for the Fee Fund of the Foreign Secretary's De.
as before, that freedom should be given to the Ca- partmcru.
nadas, for sooner or later, if a waraook place, these X 13,565 for the Fee Fund of the Colonial Department.
Li 6.i;56 for the Fee Fund of the' Privy Council and Trade:
Colonies would fall a victim to the United State,. He
d'in..vo for the contingent expenses of Messengers' bills.
put it to the consideration of the Hon. Secretary, if it £10.996 for contingent expenses and Messengers' bills in the
would not be wise to arrange that the Canadas should Home Secretary's department ; £59,01:6 for ditto in the Foreign
be declared a free State at the end of ten years ? Sureiary's department; and -41672 for ditto in the Colonial Sc.
Mr. G. BENNET bore testimony to the merits of cretary's department.
£2238 for contingent expenses and Messengers' bills in the
the Governor of Upper Canada. Lord Chamberlain's department.
Mr. WILNIOT said, with regard to the case of Mr. The next Reolution was for the expense of the
Gourlay, lie pledged himself to prove that there was Commissioners of Insolvent Cool t and Cie', ks, £9,040.
no foundation for any of his complaints. If the case Mr. Alderman WOOD rep;obated that enormous
were brought before the House he could shew that expense.— The expenses of !bur Courts in the City did
not the slightest injustice was committed towards not exceed £7O. And yet the Committee were called
that individual. upon to vote the present enormous grant for a Cone
Mr. HUME wished that the Honourable Gentle- by which, he would say, the country was robbed—
man would at once lay the Papers before the House, (No, no, from many Members). He repeated what
and he would undertake to prove the hardship of Mr. the numerous Petitions from various parts of the
Gourlay's case. country asserted.
Mr. WILMOT was not aware that it was his pro- Mr. Secretary PEEL recommended the worth?'
vine to lay any Papers relative to Mr. Gourlay on Alderman to look more accurately at the papers is
the table. If the Hon. Member for Aberdeen thought his hand, he would then find that the £7O which he
fit to move for any, with the view of drawing the at- had stated to be the total, was the mere eiarge for
tention of the House to that individual's complaint, coals and candles—(A laugh). The mistake was this
he was prepared to meet him on the case. —" For coals and candles," was at the head of one
Mr. HUME was not aware what Papers fie should line—while the next was, " For the Four Courts 1.:70.•
move for. If calling for the correspondence could The worthy Alderman confined his reading and hit
tend to bring on a discussion on the actual merits of argument to the last line—lL/rug/der), and thereon
the case, he would move for it to-morrow. founded his comparative statement.
The next Resolution was— The next Resolutions e cre—
£253,000 for the expenses of the Commissariat Department. For Oxford and Cambridge lectures, £l,OBB.
Mr. HUME could not conceive how thirty-eight For Officers of the Houses of Lords and Commons, £23,308.
Commissaries could be required in Canada, fourteen For Secret
. Service Money, £50,000.
mote, £r,5008
£PriortincE 750 Copies of the Journals of the House of Coto.
in Nova Scotia, and seven in Malta. He doubted if
there were as many Commissaries in the. whole of Fot Printing Votes of the House of Commons, £3,500.
India, as in Canada alone.—ltesolution agreed to. . For defraying the Deficiency of Printing the Votes of the
£82,000 was voted for the Commissariat of Ireland. House of Commons last year, £BB. sa.
1,100,000 for defraying the interest on Exchequer Bills. . For Printing Bills, Reports, &c. of the House of Comma,
On a Resolution being proposed of £40,000 for xceeze.o.
the repair of public buildings, For Re-printing Journals of the House of Commons, £3,001
Mr. H. G. BENNET made some remarks p pon the For paying Allowances to Corsican Emigrants, &c. .€16,1 a.
For Relief of the American Loyalists, £7,000.
ruinous and neglected condition-of St. James's Park, For the Support of Criminal Lunatics,.£3,3o6. 10s. .
the Green Park, and Hyde Park. Everything was For Allowances to Protestant Dissenting Ministers in Fat
land;Fo
out of repair, the trees were in a state of decay, the
For 1
io £6,736.
nae Compensations,
theno ,sreane
uipr and theannuati ons, &c. £10,567. Os. Bd.
railing detective, and if a new gate were put up, it Th
Report was ordered to be
was made only jus: wide enough. He wished to know received to-morrow.—Leave was given to the Committee to sit
why the gate from the Green Park into Piccadilly again on Friday next.
was kept locked, unless for the benefit of the old wo. Heir IL WILSON the Colonial Secretary to say if
?die
man who was allowed a key, and opened it on re-, a oiri t:s.
Ca 111 c% a tlobtlhOel(' said,t. Officers
the
hcalAe forifcaalnloCworpseswhearde sbeetteniedfixed,
ceiviug the present of a halfpenny ? but was not included in the present estimates un account ii
MrtPEEL said that his attention had been directed an informality. •
Western,
G. BENNET postponed the motion on the part of /le
to this subject, and he was of opinion that no mode.
till the Bth of May.
rate sum could be more properly expended than in M i his •
r. BUXTON postponed motion on the Slave Tradeoll
putting the Parks into a fit state of repair. He had the 7th of May.
observed that the grass of the Green Park had been Mr. WHITMORE postponed his motion on the importatha
Mit rest tiga r, till the of .
in some parts trodden down by the cows, and upon
of Tr
~aind
and
deorcrdear ed to be
nt vlndiaeslelsS, c
Apnpirirent tic
edoeisahtiplth
ridiliall
nwea Ma
sty read a email
making inquiry, he learnt that the _keeping those cows time
was a perquisite of the gate-keeper. He (Mr. Peel) The SOLICITOR-GENERAL broughTupxt.he Report d
had objected to this, because he thought it had the the Marriage Act Repeal Bill. The Amendments were read a
time, and the Bill ordered to be read
effect of diverting the keeper's attention from his du- second a third time to.mat•
ties, as well as of disfiguring the Park. If his salary row.—Adjourned at a quarter past Eleven.
was not sufficient it ought to be increased. He un- -
derstood also, that the cows were kept there for the
accommodation of persons who chose to drink whey
and milk, and that if they were deprived of this it
would be felt to be extremely inconvenient.
Mr. Alderman WOOD wished to divert the atten-
tion of the House from the Parks to the Prisons. He
was surprised to find in the present estimaies a vote
for the King's Bench Prison, after the enormous pro-
fits which it had been shewn the Marshal received.
The City of London maintained its own prisoners, at
an expense of £33,000 per annum. The King's Bench
was a mere prison for insolvents; for, of the persons
who went there, by far the greater part never paid
their debts at all. It was too much to ask for £l.lOO
for this prison, and £9OO for the Fleet Prison, seeing
how many thousands went annually into the pockets
of the persons connected with those prisons. As to
the Fleet Prison, which was in a bad state of repair,
he hoped the time would soon arrive %%hen it would
be removed altogether. A more eligible spot might
be procured for the erection of a prison, at a very tri-
fling expense, and the site of the Fleet would afford
space for a market, such as that of Liverpool, which
would be a convenience and a credit to this City.
Mr. LUSHINGTON said, that the present vote
was for the ordinary repairs of the prison, which had
always been done at the public expense. The repairs
of the Marshal's own house, and the other buildings
and offices, were not included in it, but were paid for
out of the receipts of the prison.
After some observations _from Mr. DAWSON, Mr.
BENNET, and Mr. A RBUTIINOT, the Resolution was
agreed to ; as were the following :
£5OOO for dAraVing the expenses of prosecutions for coining.
£25,000 for defraying Law charges.
£69,000 for the expense of Convicts at home.
£1 8,000 for the Penitentiary at Milbank. •
On the motion that £3OOO be granted for defray-
ing the expense of.the Vaccine Institution,
• Mr. HUME objected to theinstitution, and thought
it could not be compared with that of other Institu-
tions; the London Vaccine Institution, for instance,
had done mote in one year than the one ip question
had done altogether. Ile had moved for a Itetur t

THE EVENING STAR.

LONDON.

THURSDAY, MARCH 20, 1823.
THE FUNDS.

STOCK EXCHANGE, TWELVE O'CLOCK

Consols improved this morning ; they opened at 74j, I, I, it
which price they remain steady. A good deal of business Wu
doing in the early part of the morning.
FOREIGN FUNDS. .

Spanish Bonds are on the rise this morning; they .mss,
26i, 4,1, 3, 3•

Current Prices: Chilian 69/, New Spanish 26/, OW 33, Ye*
Prussian 77/, Old 81, Russian 71i, Danish 80, Colombian 501
New Spanish Scrip 40.

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Consols are just done at 74y.
PRICE OF STOCKS AT ONE O'CLOCK. •
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The Marquis of LANSDOWN, deceived by song
erroneous report of what had fallen from Mr. CAN'
NINO in the House of Commons into an irnpresio.

that all hope of preserving the peace of Europe if
an end, put a question last night to the Midistersi
the Upper llouse, the scope of which was to as
lerate the production of those documents which
Foreign Secretary expressed the readiness of his 111 A
sEsTv's Government to produce, in explanationio
vindication of the mediating and neutral line'
policy it has pursued. Lord LIVERPOOL reptto
what Mr. CANNING had really said, namily,"
though the hopes of maintaining peace* weie`g4
diminished, they.were " not totatl.f
• • f's
Till-that is the cise—till the negociatidLs are trim;

at an end—i

justified in e
them than th

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surprise with
vehement ora
remark ; and,
reprobation al
but certainly
who think it ni
the guiding st
mcnts have thl
which there cl
the speech es of
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ever may be tl
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thusiasm; and