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PARLIAMENPARY PROCKEIMMGS.
HOUSE OF LORDS, FEBRUARY 21.
The LORD CHANCELLOR gave notice, that be should
move the second reading of the Scotch Judicature Bill on Thurs.
daT, and moved that the Lords be summinted.—Ordered.
fhe Earl of SHAFTESBURY presented a Petition from the
Merchants and Traders of Tiverton, in the County of Devon,
praying for an alteration in the Laws for the Recovery of Small
Debts.—Laid on the table.
Earl DARNLEY said that he held a Petition from an indivi-
dual of whom he knew nothing, but which, from the importaneeof
the subject to which it related, he thought it his duty to present.
It was front a person called John Burridge, who stated that be
had invented a mode of curing the dry tot, and prayed that a
minute inquiry Ix instituted into the stateof the Royal Navy, as
it alleged that for a considerablemeriod, it hid been one sof decay, in'
consequence of dry rot. He himself (Lord Darnley) did not be-,
liege the assertions and reports which had been circulated on that
subject, and trusted that, by presenting that Petition, he should
afford his Noble Friend opposite, at the bead of the Admiralty, an
opportunity of contradicting them, and abetting What was the reel.
state of the Navy.—The Petition baying been read,
Vis Count :MELVILLE was happy to be able to state that the
assertions that the Navy was io a state of decay were unfounded. In
consequence of the reports which bad prevailed on that subject,
a most minute inquiry had been made some time since by or-'
der of the Admiralty, and the result had been most satisfactory:
It had appeared, indeed, that in a "few instances, beams of ships
bad decayed, but that,- upon the Whole, the Royal Navy had never
been in a sounder state than it was at present. Thit.rinteluenli
contained in the Petition were, therefore. entirely Unfounded. To-
ward, the close of the last war, it had become necessary to build .a
great number of ships With considerable celerity, atilt) oh that ac-
count timber. had been employed from our Colonies in North
America, and from the North of Europe, he was sorry to say, of as
inferior quality, to which might be attributed, in a great measorr;
the partial cases of decay which had occurred. But it was his firm
belief that if the Navy Board should confine theinselves, as It was
intended, -..t0 the practice of taking only sound well-seasoned oak,
there would be no future danger or dry rot, and nothing would sr-.
feet the durability of ships thus built. With the exception which
he had mentioned, he could assure their Lordships, and the Public
might rely, that the result of a minute inquiry of some years, had
been most satisfactory, and that the general state of the ships of the
British Navy was perfectly sound.
Earl DARNLEY was glad to find that his opinion was correct,
and that the general state of the Navy was sound. He could give
his own testimony in regard of one particular ship, about which
reports had been current, the Howe. When taken into dock at
Sheerness, instead of being bound in a bad state of decay, the Howe
was in suck an excellent condition that there scarcely ever had
been seen so sound a ship. From this that. Lordships might form
some estimate of the general state of the Navy, and of the correct-
ness of the reports which had been circulated. Having turned his
attention for many years to that subject, he was able to declare that
from the manner in which the Navy Board was conducted, and
from the extraordinary skill and ability displayed, it was his belief
that the Royal Navy had never, at any one period, been In a better
condition than it was at present.
Earl GROSVENOR asked from what part the timber wed:
at the cicse of the last war had been obtained?
Viscount :MELVILLE replied, that it came partly from our
Colonies in North America, and partly from the North of Europe.
The Petition was then laid en the table.
Mr. PASKUOUIN presented the First Report etbe Tanjore Com-
missioners, and the Second Report of the Carnatic Commis:
sioners.—Laid on the Table.
Mr. Mauer, from the Tax Office, presented copies of the deci-
sions of the Commissioners of Taxes, in matters of taxation.—Laid,
on the table.
Mr. Mason, from the East rndia House, presented Accounts old
the Salaries and Pensions granted by the East India Company (hir-
ing the preceding year.—Laid at the table.—Adjourned.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
There being a call of the House fixed for this day, the galleries
were not opened until nearly five o'clock, The call was understgod
not to have been enforced.

Lord BKCTIVE presented a Petition from the Barony of Castle.
town, in the County of Meath, against the Bill for preventing illegal
Associations in Ireland.—Ordered to be laid on the table.
Similar Petitions were presented from the parish of St. Mary's,'
Dublin, by Mr. GRATTAN ; from the county of Kilkcnny,.by Mr.
AGAR LAM ; two from parishes, the names of which we could not
hear, by Lord Moron and Sir J. Nrwroar ; from the parishes of
St. Michael's and St. John's, Dublin, by Mr. 'await; from Terp.
plemore, in the county of Tipperary:by Mr. Huns; four from the
county of Cork, by Mr. C. nonhuman ; from the parish of Mary-
borough and another place in the Queen's County,-by Sir H. PAR-
NELL ; from the Catholic Inhabitants of Birmingham, by Sir F.
Bosom:; from Kilmore. by Sir F. BURDETT ; three from Athlone
Blackehurch, and another place by Mr. AGAR ELLIS from certain
parishes in the county of Cork, by Mr. Baouonam ; and from the'
parish of St. Katharine's, Dublin, by Mr. Assiteadatre.
The Honourable Members generally expressed their concur-
rence in the prayer of the Petitions, which were severally ordered
to be printed.
Mr. GOULBURN presented a Petition signed by above 2,000
respectable Inhabitants and Freeholders of the city of Dublin, stating
that they viewed with alarm the proceedings of the Catholic Asso-
ciation, and praying for its suppression.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. H. DAVIS presented a similar Petition from the Inhabi-
tants of the Parish of Temple, in the city of Bristol.—Ordered to
be printed.
Mr. BROUGHAM called the particular attention of the House
to a Petition which be held in his hand from three individuals re-
siding in Dublin, named James Alcock, Alcock, and —.-
Henderson. The Petition would skew that two of the positions
upon which the Bill before the House was grounded, were false.
It refuted the assertion that no difference was made between the
Catholic and the Protestant in Ireland, and that the Catholic Asso-
ciation was Not beneficial to the people. The Petitioners com-
plained, that being qualified by birth and servitude to become cor-
porators of the City of Dublin, they bad been refused that right be-
cause they were Catholics. The Hon. and Learned Member said
he would stake his reputation as a lawyer upon the assertion, that
this right was as clear as that where a man possessed of an estate in
fee died, his son should inherit it. This was afterwards decided to be
the case• upon application being made to the Court of King's
Bench,whith Court granted a writ of Mandamus, by virtue of which
the Petitioners now sat as corporators. Now the fact was, that these
were poor men, and had been enabled to acquire their rights by
the interference of the Catholic Association. _ _ _

Sir J. NEWPORT said, that the hardships experienced by the
Petitioners were of &sill, occurrence. There were some cases
still more aggravated ; for sometimes the writ of mandamus was
resisted by the Corporation, and the parties were put to the expense
of a second application to the Court. Under these circumstances he
contended that it was Impossible fir a poor man to obtain his
rights. On the other baud, in order to maintain the ultra Protestant
faction, persons of a very low condition were adMitted to the Cor-
poration by the payment of half the usual fees. This 'hewed that
the poor Were as much interested in the equalization of civil rights,
as the proudest Nobleman in the Roahn—(Hear, hear.)—The Pe-
lion was ordered to be printed. .
Lord EAS'I N 011.Lnc-seated a petition from Hereford, in hicksr
of the County Courts Bill.—Ordered to be printed.
Sir T. LETIIBRIDGRpresented a Petition fast Arbridie,
praying for a Repeal of the Astessed Taxes. Ordered to be printed.
Mr. 'l. WILSON moved for Returns of the quantky of Coals
importeu tram the I'oi u of Newcastle and Sunderlaud, in the
years 1822, 1823, and 1824, specifying the names of the collieries
from which they were imported, said the quinthiis of ,mill chili
astd screened.—Ordered.
Lord EISRINOTON presented a Petition from the toarnot
Tavistock, praying for a Repeal of the Duty on Seaborne Coals.—
Ordered to be printed.,
Mr. HERRIES presented a Petition from the .liorough of
Harwich, in favour of the St. Cathetim's Dock Ml.—Ordered to
be printed.
Mr. H. DAVIS presepted a Petition from the Parish of St.
John's, in the County of Ulosicertet, prgiug a Repeal of the House
and Window Tex.—Ordered to'be -printed.
RU BOLiD presented o Petithin'froth Ylurtnonth, praying
for alto/real of the Assessed 'Fates.—Ordered to be Ointed.
ablsoto Petition from Ipswich, icaavour of the Sc. Catherine's
Dock Bill..—Ordcrect t kjituitcd.
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Upon-the motion of Sir G. IcLERK, the 'Movie' # a
Committee of supply. ,•:. ; !
Sir GEO. CLERK, after some prelimitamtObSerTS-
dons, remarked that the charge for the itenlficere itt the
Dock-yards would hive been lest, had tberenot hrenn
deduction in, the produce of thesstores. hi the sec;pd
division there was a considerable reduction, whicat tt ould
have been still.greater if some items to be accounted
for had not been included in the Estimates., In the
Ordinary Estimatesthe Works-at Bbeemess 'occasioned a
sucirethan usual charge, iin coosequence of its haviug
been recommendal to go on with them at aTmote sapid
rate than was originally conterhplated. By that nseaas
a shorter period world be contumed in thet completion,
and a saving of some moment effeoeii.: The next
charge he should notice was that for the'llreakwater,
at Plywriabth Sound. From the expeaserMatrecting a
Light-house, and in finishing the -portal the grefilt-
water where thatbuilding was Lb be constructed with
cut stones of very large dimensions, thii item had
swelled to a larger amount than usual. The Bleak-
water itself had suffered- from the heavy gales on tlie
241c1 of last November ; and to guatd against furtlaer
accidents, it. was snggested that the middle of the work
should be finished in the sarnemanner as the ends, with
large cut stoner. Commis-tioners had accordingly been
sent down by the Admiralty to investigate this part of the subifet,
but notwithstanding the additional expense which might be to in-
curred, the whole charge would be considerably within the original
estimate of 1812. The Hon. Baronet, after adverting briefly to
the cost of the Victualling, sat down by moving—" Th.tt a suns
not exceeding 54,81&. St. ld. be granted to his Majesty for defray-
ing the expenses of the Admiralty Office."
'Mr. HUME could not conceive how t4e present
sum should
.be required, if the promises which Ministers
had ;made were attended to.; instead of teduciug the
expense of ,the Navy, by one or, two .millions, they
were greater than in 1817. Our Navy was now equal
to that of the whole world, and he saw no reasulyrhy
we should always be in a state to go to war, wit tall
the powers of the globe united. It also was most im-
portant that the amber of Officers on half-,pay and
allowance should bearansfeired to, full pay when va-
cancies occurred. The promotions were note- with. the
exception of one year, eqoal to what they had been
during the war. Every one who could possibly be re-
moved to the half-payalist was so disposed of to 'make
room for new appointments. In such a 'system there
was manifestly something wrong. In a few days he
shoed move for an account of the number of promo-
dims in the last year. The year before the last war the
charge for the Navy was but two millions and a half,
and now iewas five millions and a half. A miltion of
Money was also expended in building ships since the
peace, while numbers or them Were daily going to de-
cay. One half of the Navy was now completely use-
less from the dry rot, and that in itself was a subject
requiring the minutest investigation. One year oil Was
used as a' preventive, another time coal tar, and anofter
time salt. .He wished to know whether his Majesty's
Ministers had yet made up their minds as to which was the best?
The employment of steam, he thought, would entirely alter the eye-
tem of warfare in narrow seas, and he ithould therefore recommend
the present system of ship-building to be relinquished. The .ex-
passes at Sheerness he considered to be superfluous—for dur ;tithe
war that dock was dispensed !rich, when the Nasy arnouieed to
1000 ships, and hereafter steam-vessels would answer all tl o pun.
pines for which that' cog/1y undertaking was commenced. With
respect to the Colonies, he thought they ought to defray their own
expeliset—he likewise objected to the £12,000 for the Observatory
at the Cape of Good Hope, until it was *hewn that any beat& was
likely to accrue fxont it.
Mr. ROBERTSON deprecated the mischievous po-
licy recommended by the Hon. Member (Mr. Hume).
British merchant vessels now covered the waters of the
whole globe,and the protection required for them was very different
from that which was necessary when our trade did not extend be-
yond a few degrees from the British shore. Should hostilities coin.
mence, every foreign merchant vessel would be made a privateer.
Mr. TIPME explained.—The vote was then agreed to. •
Sir G. CLERK moved a sum not exceeding £29,633 ls. 6d. for
the Navy Pay Office.
After a few words from Mr. Hums and Sir DTA,. Maseito, the
vote was agreed to. _ _ _

Sir G. CLERK moved, that a sum of .C 56,760 15s, be • gospvd
for theßalaries and contingent expenses of the Navy Office.
Mr. HUME objected to the grAnt ; but after some short satis-
factory explanation from Sir B. MARens. it was agreed tn.
Sir G. CLERK moved that .€33,977 10s. be grained for the
Victualling Office.—Agreed to.
Sir G. CLRRK then moved £157,176 51. ed. for the eepenses
of his Majesty's Dock-yards at home.
Sir EDWARD KNATCHBULL, made some obser-
vations respecting the discharge of artificers, shipwrights. &c. front
the dock-yards in Kent, while those in Plymouth and rrr tsnio uth
were retained.

Sir G. CLERK wished to inform the Hon. Baronet
what the facts of the case really were. When a reduc-
tion in the number oflitipwrights was resolved on two
or three years ago, the superfluous hands were given the
option of remaining to perform other sorts of work at
lover rate of wages. They concnrred in that ar-
rangement ; but in last autumn the shipwrights in the
dock-yards on the Thames expresse.l dissatisfaction, and
"they were told that if they disliked their terms, they
were at liberty to seek employment elsewhieie. The
shipwrights at Plymouth agreed to the proposal ; and
he believed those in Kent, when they left his Majesty's
docklards, would have found no difficulty in getting employment
`lis private yards.
Mr. HUSKISSON observed, that to his knowledge
there was at present a great demand for ship-
wrights in the private yards on the River Thames;
hat owing to a spirit of coisbinatide inktotig that
-clues of artificers, and a desire to ,dictate kerns
their' employers, he believed. numbers of item
'Were now out of work. If such conduct were persisted
• he bad no hesitation in .acknowledging it would go
lir to indace those who were most. friendly to the li-
berty of industry to call upon the House to 'reconsider
the measure of last year which had been adopted with a
Welk to the advaittar of the working classes. Within a
fe* days Omits willing to give employment to ship-
wrights at a fair rate of wages had called upori him, ai,d
-stated that they chord' not obtain .men to, accept goo.l
arta reasimitbk wages; ftir their otrq Inter she geed !lase pro-
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sity which' now existed for re-enacting the Combination Laws,
might cease.
Sir G.PORGE COCKBUR,N observed, that in Ports-
mouth mid Plymouth, the shipwrights bad consented to
work for labourers' wages, but that those on the banks
of the Thames bad refused to comply with such terms, and were la
consequence discharged.
Mr. HUME was anxious to state, that so far from
Government being deserving of blame for the conduct
alluded to by the Honourable Member for Kent (Sir Ed-
ward Knatchbull) they deserved the highest praise.—
They had chosen the fittest time for the course adopted
respecting the shipwrights. He was sorry to add, that
those who had laboured most to put masters and men
on an equality, found their endeavours much thwarted
by the conduct of the operative classes themselves. He
hoped, however, they would have good sense enough to
retrace their steps ; and he was assured that such would
be the result. Belle would not disguise from himself
nor the House, that in almost every part of the country.
in Manchester, in Glasgow, and on the Thames, the i
workmen had abused the privileges conferred on them
by a recent Act of Parliament. They were not satisfied
with restraining their masters within equitable bounds, I
but would fain impose on them restrictions even more
degrading than they had themselves previously endured.
He trusted the masters would succeed in rejecting such
fetters, and that artisans would see they were following
a track dangerous to the country, and ruinous to them-
selves. If ship carpenters on the River and elsewhere
should disregard the principles which set them at liberty, and turn
round on their employers, he would have cause to deplore the event.
The vote was then agreed to.
The following sums were then voted :
For Wages to Artificers and Labourers in his . s. d.
Majesty's Dock-yards at Home . . . 560,000 0 0
For Timber and other Materials for the Build-
ing, Repair, and Fitting-up of his Majesty's
Ships, ficc.
For Pilotage, Salvage, &c.

For Foreign Yards, Salaries, Wages, &c.
For Victualling Yards
For Medical Establishments

. 538,304 0 0
. 40,000 0 0

. 52,022 13 5
. 73,572 0
. 53,510 13 11

For Royal Naval Cullege, and School of Arad-
teeture •. . . 6,252 12 7
. _
Fdr Wages to Officers and Ship-Keepers, and Men
belonging to Vessels in Ordinary . 106,027 7 1
Fur Victuals to Officers, Ship-Keepers, &c. . 54,787 4 0
For Hired Packets - . 40,000 0 0
the Naval Half-pay to Flag

Upon the vote of £897,500 to.
fficers being proposed,
Mr. HUME inquired whether the same tegulations
prevailed in the Navy, relative to Officers taking Holy
01 ders, as in the Army ?
Sir G. COCKBURN stated, that it had always been
the practice of the Navy, that an Officer ceased to be
borne on the Half-pay List upon entering Holy Orders.
When the Order issued from the Horse Guards on this
subject, it was with a view of putting the Army and
Navy upon the same footing in this particular. It was,
however, represented by some Officers who were in this
situation long before the Order was issued, that this new
regulation was a great hardship. In consequence of this
a Minute was made by the Treasury, restoring the half-pay to those
who had been in the receipt of it before the order was issued ; but
for the future the two services would be upon the same footing in
this respect.
Mi. HUME observed, that such a regulation was un-
fair- upon the Officers of the Navy, if they received no
• previous notice of it.
Mr. CROKER said there could be no necessity forl
any formal notice where the practice had always been
one way, and that pet fectly understood by those uptlni
whom it °pet aced. There was only one case in which
there had occurred any attempt to disturb the ordinary
course, and that was in the case of an Officer who took
Holy Orders, and then returned to the Navy as a Chaplain. He
served as Chaplain for some time, but not long enough to entitle
bins to pension but be claimed permission, under the circumstances,
to receive his ,balf.pay. This, however, could not be granted.—
The Vote was then agreed to, as were the following.:
Fur the Superannuated Allowances and Passions to
Officers end Officers' Widows . . aC131,692 18 2
Bounty to Chaplains 1,500 0 0
For the Compassionate List 7,000 0 0
Widows' Charity . 90,000 0 0
Greenwich Hospital 260,000 0 0
Civil Officers' Superannuation; 168,503 13 2

Mr. HUME wished to know why the peusiea of
Percy Fraser, Esq. amounting to 4161. per annum, was
added to this charge? He saw no reason why he should
have such a pension. merely because he bad held a
good situation, with a good salary attached to it, for sixteen years.
He was a Naval Of Beer, and entitled to nomore than Naval half-pay.
Mr. CROKER explained, that he had earned his
half-pay before he took a civil employment, and was
now entitled to the sum here objected to, on account of
Superannuation Allowance, which the Bill of last year,
of the Hon. Member for Yorkshire, bad caused to be restored to
its present rate. If be had not taken a civil situation, his rank
would have gone on, and his half-pay proportionably increased.
On the vote of 182,6881. for the repairs of Dock-yards being
proposed,
Mr. HUME took occasion to observe upon the ex-
penditure of money for the Breakwater at Plymouth, a
service which he understood to be comprised in the
present vote. According to the deliberate manner in
which they were going on with this important work it would rake
twenty years to finish.
Sir GEORGE CLERK said, that in consequence of
a similar observation made in the House last Session,
the officer superintending that work had been called on
to know how much money he could manage to dispose
of in a year? His answer was, that not more than the
present vote could be expended. Three engineers how-
ever had been appointed to investigate the matter, and
he should soon be able to lay their report before the House. In
consequence of this, there might be hopes that they would go on at
a more rapid rate nest year.
Mr. HUNIE said. it was no wonder that an Officer
who had a salary of I,OOW. a-year, should report that
the work.in which he was engaged could not go on more rapidly.
Sir G. CLERK said, that if the work were finished
ill a year, the House would not think of diminishing
the salary of this exemplary, able, and zealous Officer. Consider-
ing his services, bissalary was at the lowest possible rate.
Mr. CROKER obseived, that the individual alluded
to had been fifty yeats a savant of the Public ; and it
the Hon. Member for Aberdeen were acquainted with
his merits, the only regret he would feel upon the subject would be,
that he could not long enjoy any situation or salary.
The Vote was then agreed to; and the House baying resealed,
the Report was ordered to be received to-morrow.
CATHOLIC I.I4AUCIPATIOW.
Mr. BROUGHAM rose to give notice on behalf of
his Honourable Friend, the Member for Westminster
(Sir F. Burdett). He bad been obliged to quit the Houle,
and he had to state, that nothing bet accident had prey
vented his presenting the Petition from the Catholics
of Ireland, praying to be lelieved from all disqualifitil•
tions. He had also the satisfaction to adil, that the
him - that he

If be had no other objection to tb.Bill, he observed, 'be
should oppose it on-account of the singular concha of
its supporters. Soireely any two of his Majesty's Mi-
nisters could agree upon the view they took of Ireland,
in their motives for supporting this Bill; or in their ex-
pectations as to the results they anticipated. The Right
Honourable Secretary for Foreign Affairs denied that
the Catholic Association possessed the .respect of the
Catholic people of Ireland e whilst his colleagues
founded the support of the Bill upon the opposite con-
clusion. One party opposed the Association because it
tended to delay the attainment of Catholic Emancipa-
tion, and others because it brought the Catholics into
too great power. Either might be i ight ; both could not.
If the result of this measure should be the continuance
of tranquillity in Ireland, the Right Hon. Gentlemsull
(Mr. Canning) may be satisfied that he was right in attri.
buting to the Catholic Association but little influence..--
But then where is the necessity for the measure? If the
contrary, however, should be the effect of it, the coun-
try would have to deplore it, regardless of the opinions
or triumph of any particular Minister. He objected to
the Bill, because no case by parole or documentary evi-
dence was made out in support of it; and because he
feared it would be productive of alarm and discontent
in Ireland. They were ptepared certainly on the first
night of the Session for theintroduction of this measure
without any previous inquiry. In that respect Minis-
ters had kept their engagements with the House. But
then they had introduced a measure in a manner unpre-
cedented, and in its nature highly dangerous and penal.
It was supposed that the objectors to the measure in
Ireland would feel too much respect for Parliament to
oppose it. Were they to feel this respect for them be-
cause of their kindness to the Catholic leaders, or upon
what ground could such a sentiment on their part be
expected? For his part, lie thought any such feeling
highly problemitical. Where a law was sought to be
evaded, he always thought these was good ground to
suspect that the law was a bad one; at least he was
sure the converse of that proposition was true, and a
bad penal law would be evaded. This Bill reminded
him of an anecdote he bad heard relative to the late
King of France, while in exile in thii country. A French
Nobleman was summoned before him to answer lot
some supposed offence against some supposed law. He
did not attend, and was condemned, par contutnace, to
consider himself imprisoned in the Conciergerie of
Paris. The Nobleman accordingly considered himself
in that situation, and walked the streets of London in
close imaginary confinement in the dungeons of the
Conciergerie, until death, after many years, came to re-
lieve him from captivity. Now this was the light in
shin!' he viewed a law like the present, which it would
be impossible to enforce. There were but two ways of
governing Ireland—by penal laws, or emancipation.
He said, give the Catholics of Ireland emancipation.
He believed that Lord Wellesley coupled his advice fin
this measure with a recommendation to grant Catholic
emancipation. If this were the case, as he believed it
was, he must say he did not think it quite fair to the
House or the Irish Cabinet thus to pursue only one half
of a recommendation. He called upon every Gentle-
man who valued civil and religious liberty, and the
freedom of discussion in that House to join him in op.
posing this gagging system of government. This
attack upon the Association had had the effect of causing not only
the Howard., the Talbets, and the Arundel., but the lowest priest
is the country to link his fate Inseparably with those of the abettor*
of this question. If the vessel in which the Catholic hopes were
launched, were destined to be wrecked, the Catholics would, at
least, be found to adhere to it as long as one plank remained.
Sir E. KNATCHBULL thought himself entitled to
conclude his judgment upon the present question, by
the evidence of the Hon. Gentlemen in that House, i
who came from the other side of the water. Flom
them he had heard quite enough to convince him that
the proper course to adopt was, to support the Bill.
They had heard from the Hon. Baronet behind him
(Sir H. Parnell) an account of the effect caused in his.
past of the country, by the conflict between the two
Missionaries from England, and the emissaries of the
Catholic Association. Now he had a right to decide
which party was the fitebrand here, and he gave his
opinion against the Catholic Association—(Near, hear.)
They bad heard described the affection and harmony
which the character and conduct of the Right Honour-
ableAttorney-General for It eland had produced amongst
his countrymen, and composing that with the present
state of things, he had a right to refer it to the inter-
ference of the Catholic Association—(Hear, hear.) It
was also well known, that Mr. O'Connell had great
power in Ireland, and although lie might now use it
fat good purposes, still he had a right to conclude that
some time or another he might employ it for bad pur-
poses. Therefore, he would wish to dein ive him of his
power. With regard to the Catholic Question, he had,
upon honourable and conscientious motives, thought
himself called upon to oppose the claims of the Catho-
lics. He would be quite ready to grant those claims
when he thought he could do so with safety to the Church
Establishment. Upon this subject the Right I-ion. Secretary for
the Foreign Department had made a most important declaration.
He had plainly told them that he was not a friend to the spoliation
of the Irish Church, and this declaration had done more to gain
the Right Hon. Secretary the confidtitc.: of the House, than any
thing else he had said or 4k:one—Wear, hear).
Mr. M. FITZGERALD wished to call the attention
of the House to the practical effects of the measure.—
He lamented the existence of the Association, and that
the interests of the Catholics should be placed in the
(bands of that body. The cause of the present state of
Things was to be traced to Mr. Pitt's Administration,
who told the Irish Catholics that Parliament would and
could give that consideration to their claims, which they
'bould never hope to receive from their own Parliament.
He and his friends bad long foretold the present state
of things. It was impossible to foresee what shape the
Association might next assume. The measure before
the House was wholly inadequate for its intended end
—(Rear ). At the time of. the Union, the Catholics
looked with respect and attachment to the Government,
and then all wounds might have been healed ; but now
the whole was reversed, and that was owing to the suc-
cessive disappointments of the Catholics. But for this
state of things the measure before the House was not the
remedy. The authors of it calculated upon the mode-
ration and good feelings of the Catholics. if there was
any real intention tog-rant the just claims of theCatholies,
ibe Association would dissolve of. itself, without the
possibility of a revival—( Cheers). It was extremely
older to drag the Church of Ireland into the
din-
eosaien. He was confident that if the tithes were
eased to the Catholic Clergy, they would refuse
them, and would act wisdi m doing so. He was
of opinion that the present Pope wished to revive the
ialluence of the regular Clergy, for the purposes of
political power, Nadia principle was acting all over
. He was not surprised that in the foreign
Papas the English Government was held out as a
maid of losolerance. Weald not that *plaid reach

Ireland? He believed that the Bourls6Ol *ould hate'
no reluctance to wield the powerof the Irish Catholics,
and he should not be tdrprised if they should organize
another Irish Brigade. 'the Irish wished to participate
in the privileges of the Constitution, and that would
conciliate all their affections. it required to be an
Irishman, to understand the phrase made use of by the
Association. They meant net to excite hatred, they
only conjuredd-them by that hatred which they knew to
exist. The Association had been carried on openly,
under the observation of the Attorney-General for
Ireland ; and in the only instance in which fie supposed
they had violated the law, a Grand Jury threw out the
Bill which he had preferred. Their language might,
perhaps, be intemperate in some instances, but certainly
not more so than the language in that House. He
wished to ask if the Bill contemplated preventing Irish
t Gentlemen from dining together? or did the Govern-
ment suppose that the language of Irish Gentlemen
would be more temperate after dinner, than at any
other time? It would be much better to suffer the
opinions of the people to be openly expressed, than to
drive the Catholics to parish-meetings, where certainly
no Reporters would appear, and which would be con-
sequently more dangerous. The Hon. Gentleman sat
down amidst loud cheers.
Colonel TRENCH thought the evils under which
Ireland laboured, were in a great degree beyond the
reach of legislation ; all that legislation could do
had been done, and hitherto, he regretted to say, that
those efforts had been unsuccessful. The Legislature
had not, however, been wanting in its efforts to ame-
liorate the condition of Ireland. The Assessed Taxes
had been entirely repealed, and great impidbvements
had been made in the Distillery Laws. Considerable
exertions had also been made in attempts to introduce
an improved system of education among the lower
classes of the people. It was a subject of too general
complaint, that justice was not administered in Ireland
with impal tiality. The leader of the Catholics was inti-
mately acquainted with the habits and dispositions of
the people of lieland, and he was well aware that they
were ton discontented and dissatisfied under their situa-
tion nor to he desirous of anything in the way of change.
Mei e was a law more powerful than any law hnman or
divine, and that was the law of opinion. The most de•
plorable climes and delusions had resulted [loin the
effects of religious fanaticism; and among others, the'
Honourable Member alluded to a case in which a Ca-
tholic, though he had himself preserved the life of one
to whom he owed the greatest obligations, had declared
that there were a hundred who would have considered
the duty which they owed to their religion paramount
to every other obligation—(Cries of Question). The
Catholic Association had done nothing to tianquillize
the country. Its tone was violent, and its manner, as
an Honourable Member (Mr. Greitfell) had justly said,
" bullying." The Association, instead of coming to
Parliament in a humble and suppliant way, had as-
sumed a haughty tone, and endeavoured to terrify
them. The existence of oho Association he believed hotfile to the
peace and best interests of the country. He regretted that it had
not been extinguished in its infancy.
Mr. SYKES could nut coincide with the Honour-
able Gentleman who bad just sat down, as to the dan-
gerous character of the Association; nor could he enter-
tain the same opinion of the general tendency of their
language ; and he should therefore feel himself com-
pelled to vote against the Bill for putting down the Ca-
tholics of Ireland. In the populous town which he re-
presented, the inhabitants were at one time violently
opposed to the claims of the Catholics, but he had now
icason to believe that, although Lis sentiments on the
subject were known amongst the electors of Hull, yet
he would not have a single opponent amongst them on
that account, so great w as the change which had taken
place in the minds of the people of England relative to
!he justice of conceding Catholic Emancipation. He
would advise them, in their treatment of the Association, to
lie to their virtues very kind,
lie to their faults a little blind,
and no evil results need he apprehended.
Mr. P. GRENFELL said, that it had been imputed
to him, that he had sail that the Catholic Association
were a bullying Association; but it was a gross mis-
conception. He had certainly voted for the bringing
in the Bill, and now that it was brought in, he would
vote against the second reading—(Cheers).--He had
said, that they ought not to submit, and he would main-1
tain that opinion—for six millions should never submit 11
to be domineered over by one. lie most sincerely hoped they
would not; and if they resisted, he hoped they would be success-
ful.—'fbe Honourable Gentleman sat down amidst loud cheer's
from the Opposition.—Colonel TRENCH explained.
Mr. PHILLIPS said, that the people of Lancashire
felt no alarm, in consequence of the proceedings of the
Association; and had no hesitation in sending goods
there as usual. So long as there was a divided Cabinet,
upon a measure so important to the tranquillity
of
Ireland, it was in vain to seek that tranquillity from;
other measures. He was almost ashamed of the name
of Englishman, while the Government were degrading the country
in the eyes of Europe, by their gross illiberality upon a question of
Religion.
The cries of " Question," now became general, and the Gallery
was cleared for a division—
For the Second Reading 253
Against it ••• - 107—Majority 146.
Mr. HUME gave notice of a motion for Wednesday next, for a
Return of all Officers of his Majesty's Navy promoted during the
last three years.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at a Quarter past Eleven.

Angle

A private letter from Cadiz says :
" You can have no adequate conception of the sensation which
the news of the British Gevernment being about to acknowledge
the Independence of South America, produced here. Many
[ Spanish merchants, who were intending to enter into commercial
speculations with Fern and other places, were quite paralyzed when
the news of tat recognition arrived, and all the Spaniards, as wen
as the French, are Indignant against England and Englishmen."
Yesterday evening, between three and four hundred
,Gentlemen were locked up in the Royal Exchange,
owing to their non-compliance with the regulation of
departjng at the customary signal. We observed them
from the windows at Lloyd's at a quarter-past five,
close prisoners.
A Petition was presented. on Friday night, to the
House of Commons, for cutting a Skip Canal through Central
America, for the purpose of uniting tha Atlantic with the Pacific
Ocean, and for mining and other purposes in Mistimes.
In the discussion on the Hydrabad Papers at the India
House, the main question seems to be—Was the Interest on the Loan
to the Nissan Government, moderate, or immoderate P Thla must
entirely depend on the Abner* at the time of advancing the Loan ;
for Interest is composed of two parts ; one for the use of Money,
the other as Insurance against Risk; and under the precarious state
of some Governments, 50 per Cent. for a Loan would be no mote
usurious than Four per Cent. if advanced on the National Security
of England. The groat simples of Foreigners, is, that in this
Country, akhough the palms* is guaranteed by Government, yet
ally person who pays len den AP in buying a Lottery !tacit can
Igels 42000 la a fevi Ilredie,
In the preset Mean of Tear Mon
be Drawn is One Day, lath AIM

THE EVENING STAR•

LONDON.

TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 1825.
THE FUNDS.
STOCK EXCHANGE, TWELVE O'CLOCK.
Consols opened this morning at 941 to 1 for the Account, with
little doing; since which they have become sellers at 941.
FOREIGN FUNDS.
In the Foreign Market the chief business is in Mining Shan*
which remain steady.
Current Prices; Neils' Spanish 1911, Old 2411, Russian 971 1,
Mexican 804 4, Colombian New 901 1, Chilian 891 90, French
Scrip 151 4, Austrian 071 1. Portuguese 901, Brazilian Scrip 41,
Mexican Scrip 34 4, Greek 571 58, Greek Scrip 14 Gold Coast 21,
Gaaltol.

SBA RILL
Alliance Assurance - £lOO -
Anglo Mexican Mines - 100
United Mexican ditto - 40
Colombian ditto - 100
Pasco Peruvian ditto -
Brazilian ditto
Buenos Ayres ditto -
Chinas

100 -

-

tA 10.
£lO
10
10

?Mat In-DAY.
se
130 139
150 135
40 41
45 46
17 1*
29 30
12; 13

['NICE OF STOCKS AT ONE O'CLOCK.
Bank Stock 238% lk 914,
.3
per Cent. Red. 95 4%
S per Cent. Cons. 941/4 4
3i per Cent. Red. 101
4 per Cent. New 1061/2 •
Long Ann. 2314
IndiA Bonds .99
.01d Annuities 94%
£l,OOO Esclieq. Rills (2d.) 63 2 ; (111 d.) 6'2 4 2
1:500 ditto (2d.) 63 2 ; (1 Ihd.) 62 4 2
4.:100 and £2OO ditto (2d.) 64 2 ; (11,(2d.) 65 2
India for Acct. 286
Cons. for Acct. 941/$

Both Houses of Parliament met last night. In the
House of Lords little was done, but that little was by
no means unimportant. It has been often asserteJ that
our Navy is in a state of great dilapidation, owing to
the dry-rot; and the report gve gr eat uneasiness to the
staunch admirers of the " Wooden -- Rlls of Old Eng-
land." Last night, Earl DARNLEY, in presenting a peti-
tion from Mr. BURRIDGE, praying for a full inquiry into
the state of the Navy, observed, that the reports as to
the bad state and inefficiency of our Navy, were not onl y
erroneous but unfunded. Lord NI ELVI Lt. went still far-
ther, and stated,that in consequence of the reports which
had prevailed on that subject, a most minute inquiry had
been made some time since byorder of theAdmiralty,and
the result had been utost satisfactory. It had appeared.
indeed, that irt a few instances, beams of ships had
decayed,but that, upon the whole, the Royal Navy had
never been in a sounder state than it was at present.
His Lordship added, that as the good old custom of
building ships with well-seasoned timber was now
resorted to, there would betno future danger of dry-
rot, and that nailing hereafter would affect the. dura-
bility of ships thus built. This etplanatiOn is as de-
cisive as it is satisfactory.
In the House of Common, the call of the House was
not enforced, but was postponed to Monday reit. The
Navy Estimates were afterwards brought for ward iti
Committee of Supply, and considerable progress made
in them. Mr. GOULZURN'S Bill for suppressing unlaw-
ful Societies in Ireland, was read a second time ; the
numbers being for the second reading 253, against it
107, Maj ority 146. This evening, Sir FRANCIS BURDETT
will present the Petition of the Irish Roman Catholics.

By the letters received from Madrid, which are
dated the Bth instant, we learn that some ludicrously
impotent measures are contemplated by way of retalia-
tion for the conduct of England in the recognition of
the new American States. The total prohibition of
cotton goods (which it had been determined to admit at
as ad valorem duty) is now to be continued, and the
duty on fish, which there had been some thonghts of
reducing, is now to remaif► at its full rate; and, indeed,
all thoughts of conciliating England is laid aside.
These letters also contain some particulars respecting
the nature of the attempt new making, under the name
of a loan, to get from the English a few millions more.
The principal agent in the affair is a M. GORBEA, a
banker of Madrid, who comes invested with very full
powers on the subject. 'Provided the money can only
be raised, no particular nicety will be put in practice
with regard to the terms. The snm wanted is only
2,000,000,000 of reals (about 20,000,0001. sterling),
for which the Spanish Government is willing to issue a
stock bearing 5 per cent. at 40, on condition that the
contractors will take out of the market quietly and
enostentationsly the odious bonds issued under the
Cortes, so that the ear of FERDINAND may never again
be insulted by the mention of them. It is calculated
that this arrangement will give a value to these bonds
of from 25 to 30 per cent. thus making the new stock
'cost the contractors from 65 to 70 per cent. On the
nature of the security for paying the interest of the
large debt proposed thus to be created, the letters are
little explicit, the only one mentioned being that of the
caiue d'amortissement, or sinking fund, in which we
believe, by the way, that these is not at this moment a
single searavedi. There is something irresistibly amus-
ing in the situation under which this transaction
presents Spain. Enraged to the highest degree against
England, and wanting nothing but power to do any .;c t
which might deeply injure us, she yet appears as a
suppliant on the Royal Exchange of London, and that
chiefly for &purpose which, if successful, would do us
a much greater wrong than the loss of the money ; for
it is not at all attempted to be concealed, that when
obtained, it is to be employed in raising troops to
conquer the South American States. There is every
appearance at present, however, that M. GORSE& will
lose his labour; and we believe that not one capitalist of
favour•

Honourable Baronet had desired him to aty that he
• .
would certainly, tomorrow week, make this Petition
the subject of a motion (Ache House.-I'be Petides itself be would
present to-usesrow.
I , ASSOCIATIONS IN HUMANA
Mr. GOULBURN moved the order of the day for
the second reaft_a_Lthe Unlawful Societies in Wand DM
; Lord NUGEW began by moving an amendment to
this motion, that the Bill be *ad that day si*
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guaranteed by Government, yet
ost leis
.
lin buying a Lottery Ticket, can I
hare the Mo sey on demand, aslabour; and we believe that not one capitalist of
toe
of £90,000, ac. am All
to high character and respectability has yet lent a favour-
-4 able eat to his propositions. ..
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