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PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS.
HOUSE OF LORDS, FEBRUARY 33.
This Merging the Loan Cnanceratos sat for Appeals, when the
;•case of ".David Hugh v. Henry Edwards Gwynne, Allan
Jotses Gwynn, and Anna Maria Felix,' from the Court
•f Great liessionaof Wales, for the several Counties of Carmarthen,
Pembroke, and Cardigan, the County of the Borough of Carmar."
tbenvand the town and County of liaverfordwest, was called on
and bused oats-Judgment on the abovenamed case is appointed
for Wednesday..
Mr. limos, from the East India House, presented at their
Lordships' Rat Copies of the Regulations passel fiy the different
Governments of India, pursuant to Act 33 Geo. 111. also of the
Regulations passed by the Governor-General In Council at Rea-
sq ; also of the Regulations passed in like manner at Fort St.
George, for the year 1829. Nothing, it was aided, had bsien re-
ceived from the Governor in Cocoa at Bombay.
Mr. HYAM, from the Commissioners for the Reduction of the
_National Debt, presented the usual annual Accounts for the year
ending the.sth of January last.
Mr. Coaresom, from the post Oct,ffi prese led an Account of all
balances duefrptu the Deputy Pottniasters in Great Britain dovit
to the Bdjallaunary last.
Ille.'Takaannri from die Tae Meer presented an Account of
salaer artsl alhttrioces -to dr geeeivetwAlenevai, awl their ha-
tames ott bood, to the sth of January,: ISM ; end also of the
Opinions of the Tudges in certain rises of appeal with regard to
Assessed Tales.
" Marquis CAMDEN-presented a Petition from several Parishes
In Somersetshire against the Duty on Coals carried czasysi=e,
The Marquis of LANADOWN moved for a series of Papers in
relation to the Export Trade between Great Britaio. and Ireland
and the North and Smith American Colonies, from the year 1765
to 1.813 inclusive.-Ordered.

Upon she motion of the Earl of Searressuav, the Lomhard-
street House Bill was read a third dm; passed, end sent to the
Commons.—Adjourned.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Mr- Maims, Mr. FLISTICIMIL, and Mr. TlEltiltY, respectively pre-
sented Papers from the India House, Post Office, and Tax
Mr. CA RT WRIG HT presented **Petition front the Shoe-
makets of Welilogborough, in Northamptonshire, against the Tax
u katither.
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Sir W. ROW LEY presented a similar Petition from Ipswich.
Mr. LITTLETON presented a similar Petition from the Tan-
ners and Carriers of Seaford.—Ordered to lie on the table.
- Elk W. LEMON presented Petitions from Redruth and other
places to Carom& again* the Duty on Coals carried coastwise.
• Mr. COLE presented a dmil.u. Petition.
Mr. MAILTORIBANIES presented a Petition front Ilythe
against the Doty en Coals.
Sir W. INGLEBY presented a similar Petition from Lincoln.
Mt. &dew POLLEN presented a like Petition from Andover.
Ilk P OMMANNEY presented a Petition from Barostaple
sipinst the Doty on Coals.
Mr. NOLAN supported the prayer of this Petition.
Mr. `LEWIS presented a Petition from Swansea against the
Duty On Oasis.
• Sr T. D. ACLAND presented Petitions from'several places ID
Devonshire egainst the Duty on Coals.
'Mr. PORTMAN presented a Petition aplnat the Duty on Coals.
Lord IFITZROY presented' Petition from Bury St.Ednaund's,l
&phut the Duty on Coals.
Sir EALNATCEIBULL presented 'a Petition from the inha-
bitants pt Colchester' and two similar Petitions from that neigh-
boarhottil.praying the Repeal of the dude" on Coals carried coastwise.
Sir& NARDI NOE presented a similerPedtion from the Inks-
Wants of Sunder hind.
The same Honourable Member pranged a :holier Petition from
Se rriwrietors of the Collieriesson the Elver Beare. •
Mr. Aida-man WOOD •presented it driller Petition- froth the
Inhabitants of Queenbithe. •
Mr. LENNARD presented a Petition, from Ipswich against the
Duty on Coals. The above Petitions were ordered to be printed. ,
Mr. Alderman WOOD called • the attention of the Home to
Petition whkk he held in his hand, signed by between four and MOO
respectable inhabitants of the City of London, complaining of-ther,
unjust and oppressive Tax upon Coals. Having already
-difreer*:
occupied-die drove the House with observations upon this ssiii
jest, and particularly as the Chancellor of the Exchequer was
'in his place te should now trespass upon their attention very
shortly. He could not,' however, help stating that If the Right
Honnurable Gendentras (the'Chaneellor of the Exchequer) should
ntit-IMnk proper that evening tomajnaint the Howe with his laten-
' den. poirtialiy, or endreky to repeal this tax, he (Alderman Wood)
Would lose no time in giving notice for a Committee upon the sub.
int. 'Thine were already laid upon the table of the House, during the
present Soothe,* less- than 04 or $6 Petitions against this duty,
and if there were not mere, it was only in coosequence of the many
which bad been presented during the last and former Sessions upon
the same sabiect. The worthy Alderman contended that the People
were entitled to relief from this tax, as it was Imposed originally
for a temporary purpose, and its repeal was promised as early as
1799, by Mr. Pitt. If the Chancellor af the Exchequer refused to
give some pledge upon the subject, be should certainly persist in his
resolution of moving for a Committee.
Mr. BARING did not think the Honourable Member's appeal
to the Chancellor of the Exchequer wis very well timed, at a mo-
ment when that Right kionottrable Gentleman was about to bring
forward his circa of the state of the-finances of the country. In
ie (Mr. Baring s) opinion, it would have been at well to wait for
dint eletenwet, by which it would be seen what taxes• could,' and
wilat Null not,, conveniently be repealed. In saying this much,
befieWiti be did not mean, to say that this was not a very proper
tax to repeal. When the worthy Alderman obtained his Commit-
tee, be (Mr. Baring) trusted he would examine into the subject in all
its details, and not confine himself to that portion of the tax which
was imposed by the Minister, forgetful of the share which the
City had in it—(Ellear, hear, hear).—He trusted he would not fail
to Impress upon the Committee that a considerable augmentation
of the price of coals was occasioned by City management—.
(Hear, hear, and a laugh).—lndeed, to the mode of managing the
business In the City au addition of four or five shillings a chaldron
might be attributed. \ fie again repeated his hope, that the worthy
Alderman would take the whole subject lino his consideration. The
Ott of London was in the habit of lecturing the King and Periia-
Meet very freely—(A Lugo)--aid be thought they would come
With a bad grace before that House, if their own conduct was not
found entirely free from complaint.
Mr. Li rt LETON said, that be had no objection to an impartial
Committee upon this subject ; but he thought it one that was to az
entered into-with caution. It was a curious fact, that not one of
his constituents bad this year petitioned Parliament for creped of
the Coal Dudes, although they had frequently before sent Petitions
to that House. They had however seen, and he (Mr. Littleton)
agreed with them. that any attempt at repc..l must be gradual, *ad
left in a great measure to circumstances.
Mr. Alderman WOOD begged leave to correct a mistake Into
which the Honourable Member (Mr. Baring) had fallen, when he
said that the duty charged by the City- of London amounted to
four or five shillings a chaldron; on the coetrarn, that dutar
amounted only to the small sum of foureence a chaldron, which the
Honourable Member had enlarged to fire shillings. To chew that
the City of London was not so deficient in liberality as the Hon.
Member would insinuate, he (Alderman Wood) might mention;
that they bad increased the number of- coal meters in the amount
of forty and upwards, .at their own expense, without charging the
Public a farthing additional. With regard to the other charges im-
posed by the City, they would all cease in 1834. He agreed with
the Honourable Member for Taunton, that if a Committee were
appointed, it ought to investigate the subject in the fullest manner.
Mr. BARING said, that the worthy Alderman had misunder.
stood his meanhtLwith respect to the charge of ss. a chaldron. kid
(Mr. Baring) • did not allude to the der rate; but hr said that the
charge to the consumer was foinour five shillings a children in oath
sequence of City mismanagement.
' Mr. 6lt EN FELL complained, that while the table was groao
tog with Petitions against this Tax, the Honourable Aleitilier fur
Stafford should think pr6per to oppose it.
MP. LITTLETON begged to set the Hon. Member right. He
had not said that he would oppose the proposed repeal, but that In
his 'Onion it ought to be effected upon the most gradual scale.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY defended the coal-owners if the North,
upon whom the odium of this' Tait had been endeavoured to be
cast, and contended that they had no mere to do with It than the
consumers of Loudon,—The redline was then ordered tv be printed.

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Lord A ',THORP brought in a Bill for the more speedy reco- •
very of small Debts.
Mr. HOl3 HOUSE, while be gave every cre.lit to the Noble
Lord for bringing In such a Bill, was anxious, at the saw+ time.
that its provisions might be rendered mote useful to a class• of
persons who were likely to be greatly benefited by it, and in
whose concerns he (Mr: Hobhouse) nhtpratly took mach it.te-
rest—he alluded to the merchants and traders of London. In or-
der to render this Bill more available to them, he (Mr. Hobbouse)
trusted the Noble Lord would consent to two atteratioos. The
first was to enlarge the tieriod of limitation, which in the Noble
Lord's Bill was confined to two years, upon the paying of half a .
crown or. mime other triflintfee. By the existing law, in debts
under £lO a fee of two guineas was required to effect this purpose.
He was induced to suggest this amendment in consequence of the
difficulty which creditors experienced in finding out the residence
'of their debtors, more particularly in London and Wiesttninster.--
There was an intelligent society composed of tradesmen, whose ob-
ject was to protect each other by making inquiries upon this sibject,•
and he (Mr. Hohhouse) had lately 'been hewn a list in their posses-
sion of no less than 0000 persons, many of them solvent persant,
and perfectly good paymasters; but whost.reeldenee could net be
ascertained. The stcond alteration which he (Mr. Hubhouse)
would suggest was, that the suit should take place at the residence '
of the creditor and not of the debtor. It was very bard-that the
creditor shooid be obliged .ta. ramie his ttebtor to Turk, Cheiten-
Issm, or Bath, and perfectly just that the snit should be instituted
where the debt bad been contracted,
The Biasses then read a first time, and ordered to be read a se-
cond time that day se'nnight.
• Mr. S. WORTLEY brought in a Bill for the Preservation of
Game.—Read a first time, ordered to be read a second tire that
day se'nnight.
Mr. S. WORTLEY presented a Petition from Huddersfield,
and another from Loughborough, in Yotkahlre, praying for a repeal
of the duties on Foreign Wool.
' Sir T. LETHBRIDGE presented a similar Petition from
Frame. in Yornersetshire.--Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. WODE HOUSE presented a Petition from Norwich, against
the Duey on Coals.
Lord STANLEY presented a Petition front Derby, against the
Duty on Excise Licenses.'

tAr T. LETHBRIDG E said that tbe Petitions. had been run-
oing a kind of a race that evening. He hoped, liowever, that bis
would be the winning horse,as he held in bis hand a Petition from
Bath against the remainder of the Assessed Taxes! The Petitioners
were induced to expect a favourable answer to their Petitions in
consequence of the Speech from the Throne, and of the hopes
which had been held oat to them by the. Right llonour able Gentle-
man opposite. Those Assessed Taxes were highly injurious to the
profits of the industrious tradesmen of Bath—(A laugh). They alto ,
complained that the money which was given to papers was after-
wards paid away to the tax-gatherer in the shape of Assessed Taxes.
Mr. HOBHOUSR presented a Petition from the jourpeymen
Hatters of Westminster, praying for a repeal of the Combination
Acts. The Honollralite Member observed that these laws were -
highly injurious, and contended that their repeal would be equally •
serviceable to the masters as to the journeymeo. , , i
Mr. BROUGHAM presented a Petition from the !hese Far-
mers of Westmoreland and Cumberland arkineslas
The Petitioners complained of 'great disunities inselitoossionir"t ' • - '
sale the markets, and professed their inability to pay this Tax,
their Dogs were absolutely necessary to them -.-Q•dered to
lie on the table. .
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Mr. BROUGHAM presented a Petition from Sligo, praying for
a repeal of the Act of the 341 of the late King, respecting Salmon -
Fisheries in Ireland.—Ordered toile on the table. • .
Mr. RROUGH Akl presented a Petition from a person of the .
name of Thomas Plaunagan, priying that his case might be taken •
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Into consideration.
Mr.'llU ME breught up the-Report of theCommitree for imply. •
hag iota the bums restraining she- lie pematiou of bieehiseep and
the Emigration of Artisona--.Ordwed to lie, on the table.
Me. If VSKISSON' presented a Petition from the Shopkeepers
of Liverpool, praying for the repeal of the Duties on Houses and
shops.—Ordered to be laid on the table, and to be printed.
' 3ie. BU SE SSON presented a Petition from the Tanners of
the town of Liverpool, praying a Repeal of the Leather Tax.—Or-
tiered to be laid on the table, and to be printed.
General G A SCO Y .'../ E 'presented a Petition from Liverpool, f , 1
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which he tepresented as being signed by above 300 Titaness and t'
ethers, praying that the Duties on Leather might not be repeal d.
He said, that the Petitioners were Satisfied that thetepial would
not relieve the trade.—Ordered to be laid on the table, and to
be printed. ,
Sir G. ROBliSON.presented a Petition front the Curriers of
the town of Northampton, praying fur a Repeal of the Leatlatr
Tax.--Ortlesokto be printed.
Mr. It. SNLITII presented a Petition from the Licensed Vic-
tnal!ers of the City of Lincoln, praying -for a Repeal of the Ex-
cise Licenses.
Sir W. INC I.EBY presented a similar Petition from the 1.1-
censed Victuallers of Gain,is 'rough, In the County of Lincoln,
praying for a Repeal of the same "fax.
Colonel DAVIES postponed his Motion for Papers explanatory
of Payments made out of the French Indemnity Nutley. -
A message from the-Lord. announced that their Lordships had
passed the Lombard-street House MIL .1
On the Motion of the CIIANCELLOR of the Vac:Ant/Es, the House
resolved itself Into a Committee of the whole House on' the Four - ,
per Cent. Acts.
FiNANOIAL STATEMENT FOR 1824. •
The CHANCELLOR of the -EXCHEQUER then
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rose, and said he had_ taken the earliest opportunity of .
unfolding the views of his Majesty's. Government with
respect to their financial arrangements. In -time of sear
a proceeding of this-kind at so early a period of the Ses- , ,
sion was obvtously not the most convenient that could
be adopted, and indeed it was then quite impossible for • - .
Government at so eat ly a season to present the arrange- •
ments. But in time of peace no such difficulties exited,
and he thought the Committee would 'be of opinion,
that the. earliest possible time had been embraced to .
give the House and the country full possession of the ' • .
plans intended to be acted upon by the Administration
—(Cheas). By. these means the House would be en-
*bled to watch with more vigilance and jealousy any
preparation which the Government might have to sug-
gest, and by giving a more detailed account both of the i
Expenditure and Revenue, Hon. Members would. have I,
,an opportunity of examining them with greater minute-
ness.
_ He felt that in follJwing tire course which he did •
last year, being the most convenient one which suggested - . .
itself, he should be pursuing that line which would be the
•most satisfactory to the House. Actin then upon those
principles, and the views he had embraced, he should be
giving the House the fullest explanation in his power of • 1
the situation in which the finances of the country now stood.
He should immediately proceed to state the Revenue
'4nd Expenditure of last year, and afterwards the sup-
posed II
Expenditure and Surplus of the year which was .
to come. He should then propose some observations
which appeared to arise out of the state of things as . .
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thus terre-ented. The Committee were already aware, •I
by a document which had been laid on the table, that
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the Duty on Stamps amounted to 6,500,0001. It was
necessary to deduct from chit five millions, as a portion
which was appropriated to. the .&radnal diminution of
the Notbnal. Debts The *Customs he estimated at
11,550,0001. 'The Excise at 28,625,0001. Stamps at
6,809,0001. Land Tax at 5,100,000 t. • Post Office 'at • • •
1,460,0001. 'Miscellaneous at 730,0001. The tetal of _
these amounted to 51,265,0001. To this was to-be
-asides.' the -money paid by the Austrian Government, I
1;50000. and also the sods of 4,620,0001. paid by the - .
trnAces of Half-pay and Pensions. The total income'
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