Star.
London, England, 1815-03-07 00:00:00

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Mr. VII! was io hvour of At oseolik ; which,
,Ifirsaid, Lid for its obis* to preserve an equality of
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pricelA this necessary ankle (ink ; and to reader
as independent of France, who, though she could not
conquer us in war, would, if this measure was not
passed, be fully able to starve us in peace. He re.
gretted much that such a cry had been raised out of
doors against this measure; and he was convinced,
if as much pains had bent taken to give the people a
clear view of the question as had been taken to mis-
lead them,_ that they would have been generally in
favour of the measure. Persuaded as he Will, that
this was a measure for the benefit of the country, he
would support it even though the clamour out of
doors was ten times as loud as it is. He, however,
did not consider the higher price' 805. as necessary ;
and therefore he should, in the Committee, support
the lower price, 765.
Colonel ELLISON supported the measure. His
opinion of it was this ; that the farmer ought to be
protected so as to grow Corn and produce abun-
dance. It was of no consequence, therefore, what
the price was at which the House might permit it to
beimported, if we could supply ourselves without
depcndipg on foreign aid.
Mr. CA aTwitIGHT agreed with the Right Ho-
noura.hle Gentleman, that one of the great objects of
the Bill was to give the home-grower confidence.—
He deprecated the language of some Gentlemen,
which would have the effect of creating a ferment in
the rublic mind, by making the lower orders think
that the Legislature wished to starve them. He con-
ceived that the Bill would lower the Price of Porn,
which had fallen in price within the last three or four
days. lie denied that the Bill was hurried through
the House.
General GASCOYNE rose to propose an allsCnd-
assent to the question fur the Speaker's leaving the
Chair. He referred to the declaration of the Right
Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Rehinson) that he would not
press the Bill it he thought it would not have the
effect ef loweting the price of bread. 'the farmers
complained of the low price already., and this Bill
was to remedy their complaints. Now, it the asser-
tion was true, the Honourable Gentleman should
have given the House facts to prove his assertion.—
It was cue that some calculation; had been gone
into by another Right Hon. Gentleman; but those
calculations did not satibly him. The proposition was
'a strange one, which went to effect a rise in the price,
in the expectation that some time hereafter the price
would be lowered. The amendment was—That the
House, instead of going into the Committee ti nowt"
should go into the Committee 44 the first Monday after
the Easter r!cess." _ _

Mr. ROBINSON defended the opinions which he
had before given.
Mr. BULLER said he had a Petition signed by
20,000 persons against the Bill, and he fully agreed
with the said Petition.

Lord COMPTON was as much a friend to free
trade as any one, but to make it perfectly useful you
must allow drawbacks to the whole amount of the
taxes. The Honourable Gentleman took a view of
the arguments used against the Bill, arid observed,
that he thought the manufacturers were more in-
terested than the agriculturalists. He supported
the Bill,
Mr. Alderman SMITH observed, that if this Bill
passed it would benefit no other description of persons
but the land-owners. He thought Ministers meant
well. but they were mistaken.
' Mr. PRO'rHEROE suggested delay, to consider
;of the propriety of adopting a medium price. For
this reason he supported the amendment.
Sir W. WYNNE wished the House to go into a
Committee to argue the subject. The Honourable
Baronet contended, that something ought to be done
for the relief of the agricultural interest. The manu-
facturers were, in his opinion, unwise to oppose the
Bill. He was for it, and he thought a fair average
price was 755.
Mr. MARRYATT said, the public since last year
had shewn their opinion of the measure by petition-
ing. He was for the amendment, as he thought the
Bill required consideration.
Mr. CALCRAFT objected to precipitating the
Bill through the House, which was now attempted
in an extraordinary manner. He referred to cases in
which more time had been allowed for consideration,
particularly in 16304, when nearly two months were
allowed between the bringing in and passing that
Bill. He hoped the Bill would be passed in such a
'manner as to conciliate the people, and he therefore
recommended the House to pause for a few days.—
He had no objection to go into the Committee, and
fill up the blanks, and let the Report be considered
on a future day. The voice of the ought, in
his opinion, to be attended to. The IronPotruble Gen-
deman referred to the Gawk, to shew that since the
measure was brought forward, corn had risen Bs.
per quarter.
Mr. W. SMITH, as the Representative of a po.
pulous city (Norwich), had always told his Coosti-
Junta that he would attend to their local interests ;
Jest when the general intercea of the country were
concerned, he would vote according to his conscience.
The price of 80s. he considered too high, and, if car.
Tied, he believed it would be'the fined price. For this
reason he should vote for the amendment.
The question was loudly called for.
The House divided—For the Amendment, 61—
Against it, 187—Majority, 126.
Another division took place on the question for the
Speaker's leaving the Chair, 194—Noes, 54----Majo-
nty, 140.
In the CommitteeNr ROBINSON observed, that
the Bill had been so often discussed, that he should
merely move to fill up the Blank with the words-1
46 Eighty Shillings."
General GASCOIGNE moved as• an Amend-
ment to introduce the words 64 Seventy-four," instead
of Eighty.
Mr. BRWIEE supported the Amendment.
Mr. COURTNEY was of the same opinion. He
had not heard from any Gentleman the grounds
upon which the calculation that eighty shillings was
a fair price proceeded. It must be taken that the
fair equivalent to the farmer would be 80s. At that
' ice be supposed it was said that he could afford to
' . bWis EC°SIII TERNIn felarkett.
. how much was due to the
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People—how warm it was to convince them that
this-114itue was legislating for their interests. But he
=sll not consent to give up an eflcecioas measure
te'skinfiaheir keliks4 • lie was mate and more se.
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defied that we ought to depend on our country for
support. Those who opposed the measure ought to
revert to Sir C. Whitworth's History, from the year
1710 down to 1764, and they would find that the
I,lnports and exports increased from 10 millions to
85 millions—•agnculture then increased. He con.
tended that it was not the importation of corn that
reduced the price—a small excess in supply, or a de.
ficit, would operate either way to depressor raise the
price. He maintained that the abundance of the
.home supply would govern the price of the market.
If the Legislature did not adopt a system of cocoa.
tagement to the home produce, they would deceive
thepoblic. It was the duty of the House rather to
leave the parts open, and let the people experience
the consequences of such a measure, than adopt any
half measure, such as proposed by the amendment.
bear.)—lie would not consent to give up
his own opinion upon this subject. There were times
when the people might be led to petition away their
liberties and interests. There were those who would
court the people to deceive the people—(Near, Fair).
—Hq had told the Freeholders of Essen, when they
elected him, that he would obey the dictates of Lis
own conscience He was of opinion, that, if agil
culture was properly encouraged, Corn would lx
' grown as cheap here as in other countries. lie ch.
claimed the Dill as a boon and protection to the land
owner: It was founded upon state policy, ter Ca
benefit of the public at laege.

TIJMU“ KOVNO THE MOUSE OF COMMONS.
• Mr. BARING rase to address the House whet
he was interrupted by—
Mr. LAMBTON, addressing the Chairman-0
rise to order, Sir. I have to inform the Committee
that there is a military force surrounding the Howe,
I therefore move, that the House do new Adjourn.'
(Loud cries of Hear, hear.)
Lmil CASTLEIZEAGII rose amidst the repeat
ed cheering! of the House.-44 The proper course fo'
the Hon. Member to pursue, is to move to repor
progress; and when the Speaker has taken the
then he may submit his motion. The Hon. Nlembe
will inform himself, whether the calling out a 11;j:;
tart' force, of which he coral loins, was, or not, la.
act of the Civil Magistrate ? If it has been in 4.0::m:
quence of the assembling of a tumultuous mob in to
neighiourhood of the House of Parliament, tyl:.
were holding forth menaces to deter the Menthe:
coming down from doing their duty, then the Magi!
trate who brought down the force has only discharge,
his duty, by protecting the Members and taking car
that the passage should be free. It is highly nece
try that the independence of Parliament should b.
preserved entire, and I hope the Hon. Member woul4
give his support for the preservation of that ind.epee
dew, =din aid of the civil power of his counuy.—•
It is due to the Constitution of the House that prc
tection should be affoldgd to the Members atllr
sittings, against the menaces of a lawless aud nn
guided mob. (Shout: 'of Hair, hear.)—We are her
as Representatives of the people, and not as the L.
presentatives of a mob—it we give Up, our indexer
deuce as a body to a nob, we then degenerate att.
are degraded into a part of that nrob.--:(Lood aria
Hear, Istar.)—l hope, before the Hoa. Member gist
the countenance of his name to this charge, thali,k
will ascertain whether a military force has presume.
to approach these walls. without ehieW•ers of
Canitituted Authorities?"— (The cries of Near, heat
were repeated with corisiderabk MOW, lay,'
extreme agitalioa.)
Mr. LAMB TON ,rr4 In reply tO the Noble Lou
I can only say, that when I came down, I found
avenues to the House guarded by a military Imo
I will say, that the menace of a military force is .a
bad as a mob."—( Loud cries of Hear, hea,r.)
Lord CASTLEREA.GH....." The force to whir
the Hon. Member refers, is not a force tir wee:.
Parliament, but is a force acting under the author'',
of the Civil Magistrate."—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. FIT4GERALD.—A, I deem it my duty t
state to the House, that on coming down to after.
my duty. I did not find any military, but a menacik:
mob, who challenged me, and I was intorinen ha.
challenged other Members, to declare their nay•
and the votes they had given or meant to give. 0 ,
entering the House, and being informed that loath',
Member had been in serious danger, but was rescue'
from it, I thought it right to inform the Speaker t;
the difficulty of passing through the regular avenue.
'and under the protection of the Civil Officers only
It was therefore under the mandite of the Speakr
the military ware called in aid of the Civil Power
and, as circumstances had occurred, I cannot but :L

ment that the Hon. Member (Mr. Lambton) was r.c
the first to call for that assistince."—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. WHITBREAD.—" It is not surprising the.
the Honourable Member, with the feelings he pa
seises, should conceive that the constitutional mode
of attending Parliament had been infringed, net
knowing how or why that military force ;awe there.
I concur, however, with the Noble Lord and the
Right Hon. Gentleman, that if Members were 'V
suited or menaced, it was the duty of the civil pow.
to protect them against such Insult, and if the! we''
not sufficient, to call in *other aid. The proper my
of proceeding will be for the Committee to MP'
progress, the Speaker resume the Chair, and then er•
quiry may be made, and the matter explained to it
satisfaction of the House."—(Crier of Near, hear
Move, move.)
Mr. WHITBREAD moved accordingly. Ur
CASTLEREAGH concurred in opinion with 14
Whitbread. The Chairman was ordered to repo-
progress, the House resumed, and the Speaker roc
the Chair.
Mr. LAMBTON-0 I am to acquaint the Hoes
that on coming clown Parliament-street to attend i•
my place in this House, I was nearly rode over by
squadron of Horse Guards who were surrounding tl
House. Knowing that the constitutional jealooit
of Parliament prohibited any such Fueds, and the
its independence did not require a military protectio
I thought myself justified in stating to the Ho"'
what i had seen ; because If permitted in she 6r
instance, in the next it might be used for the purpoi
of overawing it—( Cries of no, no.)—By
might."
Mr. CROKER.•••••4 As I was coming down
liament-street, my carriage was met by a mob, wh
enquired what Members were is it—my servants di
not tell diem. The mob then accompanied my cal
doge to the doors of the Ijouse. On its stoppinr
the door Of my carriage was forced open, 1 won
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