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of Preaching in the ellablifhed church ; and the adop-/
tic n of a new fafhioned dramatic flyle of pulpit elo-
quence, addreffed to the fancy and imagination rather
than to the heart and undertlanding, and calculated
more to catch the fervour of the tnthufiaft by high-
fraught piltures of the horrors of a death bed, or the
joys or torments of a future Rate, than by promul•
gating the truth of the Gofpel, to excite to that fo-
lemn and rational piety and devotion which are fo
much the charateriitics of the Eltablithed Church—
and if Parliament (hook] be induced to countenance
fuch a rytlem, independently of the controul of the
lawful Pallor of the parifh, the confequence would ,
be, that every year numbers of thole chapels would
Rail up in every part of the metropolis and its vici•
nity, and the parifh churches be detected by more
, than half their congregaticns, to follow thole new
lights. He could not, therefore, content to fo unlaw-
ful an infringement upon the rights of the regular
church eßablifhment ; and he concluded by moving an
amendment, the object of which was, that the ReAor
of St. George the Martyr thould have the power of
nominating to the appointment of Chaplain to this
chapel, or, at leaft, of a negative upon any appoint-
ment made without his content, in order that he might
be enabled to fecure for the intlitution the appoint-
ment of a Clergyman of the eftablithed church.
Mr. HOLFORD obrerved, that the Honourable
and Learned Gentleman feemed to have widely mil
taken, and certainly he:had widely mis-Rated, he mull
preturne eom mifinformation, the fats of this cafe.
This chapel was not crated with a principal view to
revenue, but was certainly built on fuch a kale, as to
accommodate a number of other children. betides
thole of the inftitution, who could not find accommo-
dation in the pains church. He felt, that he fhould
be but a feeble antagonift indeed to the Honourable
and Learned Gentleman, if he prefumed to contend
with him upon ecclefiatical law ; but there was one
thing he would not find on his books, namely, that
chapels of this fort, attached to charitable inftitutions,
and built by charitable contributions, could, by any
poffibility, come under the defcription of chapels of
cafe to the parifh church. Such chapels were molly.
if not entirely, of very modern eralion, and not very
°foal, until long after the law allowing chapels of
cafe was palled. This chapel was not built at the
parifit expence, nor was any part of the colts of its
eftablifhment charged upon the parifh : confequent-
ly, it could not come under any defcription of a
chapel of cafe, any more than that of the Afylum,
which, however, was out of the queßion, becaufe it
was proteited by a (pedal At of Parliament. Nei-
ther was it intended, as the Honourable and Learn-
ed Gentleman was pleated to conjelture, to be con-
verted into a theatre for Inufic, or dramatic eloquence,
or enthufiadie rhapfody. Thole who conduited that
intlitution were as found Proteliants of the Eftablifh.
ed Church as any of that who oppofed it, and as
little likely to promote fchifms or innovations in the
mode of public worfliip. It was an inftitution origi-
nally let on foot about eighteen years fence by the
charitable contributions of humane perfons, for the
puirpofe of educating the bereft orphans of convieed
felons, thrown upon the world without proteition,and
of other children, betrayed to early habits of crimi-
nality, but whole tender age rendered them fitterob.
jeers for the correilion of a moral and religious edu
cation, than for the feverities of the criminal law ;
lad when it was recolleitect,that thischarity,although
fupported partly, and to a eonfiderable extent, by
charitable contributions, yet derived alfo from the
indultry of thole children who were the objet of its
protettion, an average rum of not leis than 'awl.
annually, he hoped it would not be confidered unrea•
fonable that the fociety fhould have the management
of their own funds, and the appointment of thofe
perfons who were to be paid from thole funds. fo long
as by the appointment of fuch perfons they fought
not to trelpals upon the rights or privileges of any
other perfons. It was erroneous to fay, that they en-
deavoured or wi(hed in deprive any eccleliaflic of the
controul he ought legally and reafonably to poffefs ;
and this would appear the more unqueßionable, when
it was told to the Houle, that at the head of their in-
flitution, and foremat in bringing forward this Bill,
was a Proteflunt Bilhop. The Society did not with
in deprive the Reitor of Sr. George the Martyr of
his privilege of controul over the appointment of
Chaplain, or of a negative to that appointment, if it
thou Id really be an improper one, and jai and re*
fonable caufe aligned. But it was to the privilege of
negative,without affigning cattle, theygaverefißance.
No means of conciliation on their parts were left
untried to compromife this matter with the Reitor :
the Society had propofed to pay him an annual (U-
-pend out of their funds to any reafonable extent, in
which he Ihonld fay his interefis could be injured by
this chapel. Arid what was his conduit, after taking
time to confider their propofal, and giving Come
grounds to believe he would accept it ? Why, a
threat to charge them with lemony for making the
offer. This Bill had been repeatedly pall:roiled at
the inftance of that Gentleman, on the promife of his
preparing and offering to him (Mr. Holford) two
claufes, which he wished to have infected in the bill;
but the day puffed by, and no fuels claufe was ever
produced. Upon the whole, he mull confider the
conduit of the Reetor in this affair, as extremely un
becoming a Protellant Clergyman, whole object it
Amid he, and whore duty it was to promote, and
not to impede, the religious inflruition of thofe chi!•
dren, and the fuccels of a charity to which, however,
he never contributed any thing, and which he took
much pains to embarrars and (Alta uit, by keeping this
chapel (but three years.
The quellicn upon Doitor Lawrence's amendment
was then put and negatived upon a divifion, and the
Bill read the third time, paired, and ordered to the
Lords.

BELL ROCK LIGHTHOUSE.

On the motion of the LORD ADVOCATE of
Scotland the Houfe went into a Committee on the
Report of the Committee in 15:)3,.0r crating a Light
Hottfe onthe Bell Rock, on the Eaft Co. tt of Scotland.

The Learned Lord dated that the meattsre:t;jiii,
univerfally admitted to be highly advantageous to the
Ripping intereft, and though agreed to by the•Houfe
in eBo3, had failed of being then carried into effea,
in conlequence of eircumnances which did not now
apply. His Lordfhip then moved that it be the opi-
nion of the Committee that a Light Hoofe be erefted
on the Bell Rock, or Cape, os tiro EafiCoall of Scot-
land near the entrance to the Forth and Tay.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
fecund to doubt • of the neceffity of the mcafure.

On a onenion from the LORD ADVOCATE
however, he Rated that what he had thrown out. het
did met.: in conformity to the opinion of the Fill
Lord of the Admiralty, than to any opinion he him-
fell entertained.
Mr. BAKER did not pretend to be competent to
judge on the fubjeß, but as it teemed to be intended
that part of the public money fhotild be expended on
the eration, he wilted the Learned Lord would more
clearly point out the utility of the meafure.
The LORD ADVOCATE referred for the utility
of the meafure to the Report of the Committee in the
year 1303. He had no doubt the Honourable Den
tieman appetite would have no oblation to thellitai•
fore, if the gallon could be made without money.
Nay, he conceived it to be a felf-evident propolition.
that in a mercantile country, there could be no ob.
jation, if it could be done without expenfe, that a
light thould be fired on every rock in the ocean. The
Report of the Committee, in the prefent cafe, how-
ever, (hewed that here there was peculiar danger.
It was a rock of a mon dangerous defcriptinn in the
German Ocean, lying off the Eaft coaft of Scotland,
between the mouths of the Friths of Forth and Tay.
It had always been the terror and dread of tailors,
many of whom, and numbers of valuable (hips, had
Dam innately been wrecked upon it. 'the fhips,tbere-
fore, proceeding coafiways from the North, in order
to avoid this horrible deltrunion, were oblipd to
keep large off, and to defcribe a circle of conliderable
extent, which often retarded their voyages, and (hips
proceeding Northward were under the neceffity of '
doing the fame. Titus, were a light•houfe ereßed on
this rock, which, by the bye, he admitted would be
a labour of much time and confiderable expenfe, all
fuch accidents would be prevented in future. The
expenfe of building fuch a light-houfe might, in the
fir( inflance, be defrayed by Government, and in
time the money would be reimborfed by a duty pro.
poled to be laid on Britifh nr Irith vale's navigating
paR the rock, of three halfpence per ton, and three
pence per ton nn all foreign trails.
Mr. PERCIVAL expreffed his furprize that the
bufinefs had been fo long delayed. He alto thought,
if, as was Rated lag night. no meafure could be ex-
tended to Scotland at this period of the Seffion, there
was no call on the Houle at fo late a period to confer
a boon on that country.
The LORD ADVOCATE replied, as to what
the Learned Gentleman lan referred to, he thould be
able to thew, if it fhould afterwards come before the
Houfe that the meafure alluded to was inapplicable
to Scotland. He declared that he had no particular
predileaion for the prefent meafure, which he only
brought forward in the difcharge of his duty, as re-
prefenting that part of the country where the benefi-
cial eff:Rs of the meafure would be molt felt. As to
the fubjetft of money for carrying on the eration, that
was not now before the Houle. The only qaellion
was, if it would be advantageous that the eralion
fhould take place ? Betides the funds from which it
would naturally fall to be fupported, he underflood
they would be entitled to a farther Turn from the
Commiffioners for Northern Lights.
Mr. JOHNSTONE recolle&ed that his Honour-
able Relation (Sir W. Pulteney) had formerly car-
ried through this meafure, and had (hewn to the
Houle that it would be highly advantageous to
(hipping in general,particalarly to there (hips trading
from Hull and Scarborough.
Mr. W. SMITH confirmed this flaternent. The
caufe of the former meafure not fucceeding was an
idea entertained of comprehending the Baltic trade
among the (hips which were to pay a certain per
tonnage, which was objated to. The Ilnufe would
be better able to judge of the matter when the elli-
mates came in. The Refolution therefore had Lis
concurrence.

The Committee then peed Refolotions declara-
tory of the advantages which would refult from the
erection of the Light Houfe in queflion • and that
there be paid for every Britith veffel palling in the
line pointed out, being between Peterhead arid Der-
wicic•upou-Tweed, a duty of aid. per ton, and for
every foreign 'del fn palling, 3d. per ton.
COMMITTILI 05 SUPPLY, ARMY PITRAORDIMARIES, &C.
. _

Mr. VANSITTART moved, • that the Houfe do
now refolse into a Committee of Supplr, and that
the Army Extraordinaries, and various other ac-
counts, be referred to it,' which being agreed to, Mr.
Ho Novae in the Chair; he Rated that the a:counts
of le Army Extraordinaries had been In long de-
layed, by teafon of the difficulty in making them up,
arifing from a number of expeditions fent out; and
without delaying the Committee any longer, moved
that for the Extraordinaries of the Army, front the
15th December, tBo4, to December, iBos, thete he
granted to hit Majeßy the rum of 2:4,3721. 6s. rod.'
Mr. HUSKISSON raid, he only t..ie fur thr pur-
pole of remarking, that from motives of general con•
venience, a great part of that bufinefs was transfer-
red laa year, from the Barrack to the Commiffitiat
department.
For the pur-hafe of Buildings in Palace-yard,
Weitminiter

44,184 o 0

For works done to both Houfes of Parliament,
finee the 6th of April any ' 1000 0 0
o,lolk Mufrum - . yjoo 0 0
Payment■ from the Civil LiR Revenue 300 0 0
To the Clerks of the Exchequer, for akensin•
lag the relldence ot Clergy .
To the CommiLlioners for auditing the Fut,lie
Accounts - - - 3.243 0 0
Additonal Clerks to ditto • 2411 0 0
For carrying on Public Profecutions ‘ 5,000 0 0
For carrying on Buildings at the new Mint 50,000 0 0
To the Magi(trate, of the Thames Police, for
Charts and Plans . " 3114 0 •
For Infesting the prices of Sugars, &c In the
London Gazette - . - ' 434 ft 0
To Melia Winter and Kaye, Solicitors on the
Impeachment of Lord Vlleoirit Melville 4,000 0 0
Mr. HUSIUSSON obferved, that there remained
many more fupplics to be voted, fuch as two mil-
lions A f Stsbfkqes, dec. ; and few of the ma.
terial funs had yet been brought forward, except the
land and malt, and the proviticns tor the Loan. He
willed to know when the whole would be fabmitted?

178 o

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQ.I7E 1(
replied —The Refolutions were then afire si to, and
ordered to be reported on Monday.
Mr. HOBHQUSE brought up the Report of the
Iris Dillilkry Coiledlion Bill, which was agreed to,
and the Billordered to be read a third time nn Monday.

COMMITFEI or WAYS AND MEANS.

_ .........
Mr. VANSITTART moved, a, th:tt the Houfe
do refolve itfelf into a Committee t‘f Ways an.i
Means," which they did accordingly (Mr. ALEX.
ANDER in the Chair) in v.toc!, it was refolted, that
the fum of 4,500)0001. part of ths fom remaining

to be vecei.ed of 14.y00.0001. voted' for the Cervices
of Otos, be The
towards the Cervices of the pre.
fent year. The Houfe refused, and the Report or
dered to be received on Monday.

MILITIA BILL.
The Houle then refolved into a Committee on the
Militia Bill. Several amendment• were agreed to.
and the report ordered to be taken into &tater taw
fideration on Tuefday next.

TRAINING BILL.
On the motion of Mr. WINDHAM, the Houfe
went into a Committee for the further confideration
of the Training Bill.
Sir JAMES PULTENEY reprefented, that a
training of twenty-four days in one year. as under
the Bill, would be infufficient to render the men fol-
diers fit to be put into the line. He recommended,
by way of amendment, a training of two years, or
forty-eight days, which, though Rill infufficient,would
render the men more nearly fit for the muft effiential
Services of Soldiers.
Mr. WINDHAM Paid, it was not intended to
make the mafs perfect foldiers, but to give them a
degree of training that would be ufeful in itfelf, and
that would facilitate the attainment of perfcd difci-
pline, if that Should be neceffiary. •
Lord CASTLEREAGH thought the men train-
ed under this Bill would be ufelers unlefs they were
properly organized and officered. And no per.
Sons of fenfe or refpedability would be content to
be officers to them unlefs they were trained at lead
' two years. Without clothing they could not go upon
Service without the rifque of being Shot as marauders.
The clothing for three years would con but 41. and
the expence, according to the Bill, would be 31. las.
According to the Levy en Mask Aft. the men were
to be trained on Sundays gratuitoufly, to entitle
themfelves to pay for the other days ; to that there
was double the training for the fame expence. He
thought a (mallet force better trained was to be pre-
ferred. He voted for the amendment.
Mr. WINDHAM, while he declared that it was
not very regular thus to argue over again the .whole
principle of the Bill, yet would touch on a few points
in the Noble Lord's Speech. The firlt was the com-
petitors of the expenfe of this Bill with that of the for-
mer one. He was not himfelf convinced of the im-
propriety of allowing the training to take place on
Sundays ; but having deferred in this inflame to the
judgment of others, it was not fair that that Should
be taken into the comparifon of the expenfe, which
was merely the price of that objeet. With regard to
the comparifon which the Noble Lord had inilituted
between the ezpenfes of this Bill and the ezpenfes of
the Volunteer Syflem, it was an unfair one. The
Noble Lord had omitted to include the immure pi
sate contributions towards the expenfes of the Volun-
teer Syitern ; above four or five milliens. At to the
fuperiority of one dcfcription of force to *nether, the
only queftion was, whether having fo much of a cer-
tain Species of force, it was deferable to extend tllnt•
or to create a new defcririon? Now with regard to
the officering, the Noble Lord was not warranted in
foppofing, that by the clank in the Bill empowering
• the King to appoint certain officers, it was intended
to make this a permanently officered force ; but
there might be Several Rages between the training of
the men and their difperfion in organised corp 4, la
which it would be extremely deferable to have officers
to Superintend them - unlefs the Noble Lord thought
: I the men might be fent from their homes with direc.
o tions hanging round their necks, to endeavour to find
• the regiments to which they were to be appropriated.
' (A laugh.)
I Vikuunt CASTLEREAGH again laid, that the
• prefent fy Rem was lull as expenfive as the Voluon-
leers, without being to efficient, and added, that the
Right Hon. Gentleman was entirely Silent with re-
• fped to the clothing.
Mr. SPENCER STANHOPE wifhed to know
how the men were to be officered when thep.were
first railed, whether by the ferjeant nr the conflable ?
• (al lout lastsh from theOppofition Book), or whether
• any tithe's were to be appointed ? This he conceived
was a point that Should be explained to the Houfe.
and if the Right Hon. Gentleman was competent, he
demanded it of him, not only as a Member of Par-
liament, hut as a Deputy Lieutenant.
• Mr. WINDHAM replied, that a Serjeant Would
in the first instance inftruet thefe men while a Confla•
ble Rood by (a loud laugh). He could not for his
part Le where the extreme humour lay in this States
meat. He fuppofed, that if he abed the Gentlemen
oppofite, they, in imitation of Bayer, who obferved of
one rf his charafters, that " the joke lay in his
hoots," would fay, that the joke lay in the conßable
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hang!, in order to execute his duty in aid, of the Re-
cruiting Serjeant.
• Mr. PERCIVAL maintained the inftifficiency of
this mode of training. By his Elio:. Friend's Bill,
inftead of a Serjeant,, and a Conflable for izo men, a
, Captain. Lieutenant, EnSign, Serjeant, and three
had been appointed to the fame number.
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Mr.BASTARD thought the area of the Bill vAiittld
be to produce many fcenes like that in the Relit;
king
°jeer, between Kite and the Conjahle, in which. the
Genletik having thouldered his flick on the moron
fide, Kiteknocks him down with his halber t—(alaugh.
After a further ditcuffion, in which the CHA -
CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, Mr. WIND.HAM, Mr. PERCIVAL. Mr. SPENCER STAN-
HOPE, and Sir W. YOUNG participated, Sir J.
PULTENEY withdrew his Intendment, and the
ciente as it originally flood was agreed to. • .
On the chitties relating to fines, ballots, &c. a very
protracted difcuffion took place, with the detail of
which, as it was oninieretting. and unproduaive of
any alteration, we (hall not trouble our Readers.
In iluclaufe for appointing the period of training,
Mr. NICHOLAS CALVERT propofed as an
amendment, that the training should be allowed on
Sundays, after the hours of divine fetvice. This
prnpolition was combated by Media. WILBER-
FORCE, SMITH, P ERCIVA L, &c. and ultimately
the Hon. Gentleman withdrew his amendment.
At two o'clock this morning the Houfe having
been returned, the Chairman reported progrefs, and
obtained leave to fit again on Monday I and at half
pea two the Houfe adjourned.