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PARLIAMEArARr PROCEEDINGS.

HOUSE OF LORDS. FRIDAY, APRIL 5.
The Royal Affent by Commillion title Chancellor, LordsWal-
Ingham and Auckland. fitting as Commiffioners) was riven to
. the Cußome Duty, Excite Duty, Lciacy Duty. and eleven pri.
vate
The Bills on the table were forwarded in their refpenive Rages.
A Copy o a Lent r from Yi(count Melville to the Commit.-
Rimers ut Naval Enquiry, together with the anfwer of the Commif-
Ilosiers, were prefent..d at toe Bar, and °sacred to ha printed.
Lord HAWKESBURY moved the Order of the Day, for the
commitment of the Englifh Militia Bill. The blotife having re-
Calved itfclt into a Conanirtcc, be moved if Nobie Lorda had no
objedtions to propofe to any of the chid-Ls, that the Bill fliuuld he ,
read Own, which was aceerdingly done, and an turd r made. on
the motion of his Lordffiip, that it be read a th.rd time on.:
Monday.

comvirs,rvs or NAVAL EN'ZIJIRY.
Lord KING willred to afk of the Noble secretary of
State, whether it was the intention of his Majpity's
Miniflers to propofe any Bill fr,r prolonging the Corm.
million of Naval Enquiry, which, owing to th.., ar.
rangements that had been adopted for the ,Tcrling
of the prefent Salinn, would expire with the S.ilion ?
It Minifters did not think proper to renew a c...tninif.
fion, from which fo much advantage had been de-
rived to the public, he would feel it incumbent on
him to hritr,t, for ward a Bill to that effeet.
Lord I-I AW KESBURY was not aware that his
Miniuers had come to any determination
on the fuhje,st, but he underliood, from what had pall
fed in another place, :hat time would he allowed to
them to &rill) the important enquiries in which they
were engaged.

IRISH MILITIA.

The Itifn Militia Bill, and feveral Private Bills
were brtiught iip from the Commons, by Mr. ALEX-
ANWR and others.

The frith Militia Bill was read a firft time, and,
on the motion) of L9rd HAWKESBUItY, ordered
to be react a fecond time on Monday, for which day
an order for Itimmoning their Lordfhips was made.

not make thefe profits they ought to make them, and
they affelred them accordingly.
Leave was then given to bring in the bill, Mr. Pitt
explaining to Mr. Fox that the evil be had alluded to
would be altogether done away by the bill.

VIUGGLING.

The CHAINICELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
next moved in a Committee for leave to bring in a
Bill, for more effeetually preventLig the praCtice of
Smuggling. He oblerved, that he fhnuld render
(mall packages, even found on board of veffels not
fewer than lcc, leagues from the Englith Ihore, lia-
ble to feizure, arJ that he had in contemplation to
enaCt ce:tain regulations for the trade of Goernfey,
and the other Iflands contiguous thereto. In thofe
iii utd~. fmuggling was carried on to a very enor-
mous annoint. He (Mould fubjett the crews of ret-
ie's, employed in Imuggling, to penalties, unlefs
transferred with their own content to the navy. It
was further his intention to prevent imnggling li-
quors being fold at the out ports, a praCtice which
at prelim gives great facility to the felling of ipitits
under proof. The Bill was now ordered.

STATE OF OUR AFFAIRS IN INDIA.

Mr. FRANCIS then rote, and in a masterly and
luminous fpeech, to which we confefs our inability to
do anything like full Office, took a view of our af-
fairs in India. It would not, he fat out by oblerving,
be denied, that the ftate of our immenh dominion in
the Eaft, was a fubjed of the higheit importance that
could be fubmitted to the conlideration of Parlia-
ment. In proportion, however, as this empire was
extended, it feemed to excite lefs of the attention eit
ther of the Houfe or the Public. It feemed as if its
very greatnefs had rendered it fuperior to the capa-
city of the Hook fully to underhand or beneficially
to regulate. If this 'catty was the cafe, it was only
an additional proof of the impolicy of that all-gralp.
ing fyftem which had too long guided our councils
in India : an additional confirmation that loch a
fyftem mult continue to produce cortfequences of the
molt diflittreus nature. AbuLs mull, from the very
nature of things, fpring out of this excellive lull for
power. Abutes mull arife from the remotenefs of
our poffeffions, fit little liable to inveftigation or pu-
nifhment. But it was fit that the Houfe lhoold bear
in mind, that evils which originated in India would
not confine themfelves to that country. Even at this
moment, fome of there evils were already felt, and
many more would follow in their track. India, un-
der its prefent Government, afforded us no revenue.
It was on the contrary there that our ref at, ces were
confutned in ruinous c-nquelts, that the flower of our
troops were cut off, fighting unneeefiloy battles. In-
dia, under a wife fyllem of po.licy, might be at once
a fource of revenue and a fund of the moll bench
cial commerce. Before tbefe effects took place, how-
ever, the prefent lyflem of apathy, with regard to
our Indian affairs, mull be abandoned for a fyttem of
jealoufy, of juflice, and of moderation. From the
conduft of Parliament now, with regard to India, it
appeared as if her authority ro legiflete for that part
of the Empire, were ablalittely abdicated. From a
deep convidion that this lyflem could not long he
re: tilted in, he had rifen to call the attention of the
Houle to the lubjeft, as he had felt it his duty to do
on many former occafums. Since he had loft fob-
mitted the confideration of our affairs in India gene-
rally to Parliament, the conflitution of the Houfe had
been lo much changed, as well as the individuals who
compofed it, that it became neceffary for him to take
a fhort view of our India policy, from the time of
our firli fettling there down to the prefent day, de
feribing briefly the principles which Paiiiament had
at different per iocis laid down for the reoulation of
our Government. In the firfl place, he had to Rate
the 'colons which induced him fo often to take up
this office ; this thanklefs office, as he had often ex-
perienced it. It was in 1773 that his firfl connec-
tion with India originated, when he was fent out by
the Government of that period to be a Member of
the Supreme Council. During a refidenre of lix
years in India, his conduet had ever received the
ft,congeft marks of approbation ; and on his return
in 1781, it had undergone the molt rigid exami-
nation. A Committee of the Houfe had examined
every aft or every opinion which he had deli.
vend while a Member of the Supreme Council ; and
he was proud in the recolledion that the Report of
'flat Committee was as favourable as ever hi; molt
fanguine vines cr uld have defined. It was a Re-
port of the molt unqualified approbation. Other
Committee. had made flmilar reports, and after all
the inquiry which did take place, he had a right to
fay, that though not formally tried, he was as much
on his trial as even Mr. Hollings was, when he was
formally arraigned before the higheft tribunal in
this country. To himfelt, who had received fo little
lolid advantage from the attention he had bellowed
on Indian affairs, it was a confolation to know, that
his conduit, and the policy which he had ever recom-
mended, had received the moll flattering tellimonies.
—Having Paid fo much relpeding the origin of his
conflation with India, he proceeded to ate dired
confideration of the quellion, in doing which, he af-
fi:red Gentlemen, that they had no occafion to be
alarmed by any apprehenfion of long, dry details.—
Ail that he had in contemplation was a bird's eve
view of the Wind's, for that would be fully fuffi-
cient for the object he had propofed on the prefent
occafion. There was a great deal of matter in the
papers before the Houle, to which he should not
feel it neceffary to allude, nor did he now mean to
fay any thing of thole military operations, the de-
tails of which were fo numerous and intricate.—
With regard to the origin of our conflation with In-
dia, it was hardly neceffary for him to remind the
Houfe, that it was originally purely commercial,
but it was marked on the part of the native Princes.
with every appearance of good under ftanding
and even kindnefs. They not only afforded us every
facility for carrying on an advantageous trade, but
actually conferred on us immunities and exemptions
which many of their own fubjeds did not enjoy. It
was, in a mercantile point of view, wife in the na-
tive Princes to encourage trade with foreign nations.
But while their commercial eye was opened, their
political eye was clofed. They did not at on thole
principles which had fa effed ually excluded European
nations from the dominion of China. It was not till
1765 that our fituation in India fullained any impor-
tant change. Our tirft conflation with Bengal, was
in the character of adventurers. After that period,
we began to airtime the charafter of Sovereign. But
what was then the language of Lord Clive, a man to
whom we owe the erection of our inuncahr caftcro

" My refolution and my hopes will always be to
confine our conquelts and our pofreffions to Bengal,
Bahar, and Orixa. To go farther h, in my opinion,
a fcheme fo extravagantly ambitions and abfurd, that
no Governor and Council in their fettles can ever
adopt it, wilds thc whole fyftem of the Compat.y's
intereft be firft entirely new modelled."
Such was the language of one whole knowledge
was unquetlinned, and whole policy laid the on!) fore
foundation of our Indian pofferfions. He himicif knew
that the government of that day fully adopted thefe
principles of limited dominion. When in 1774 he
went with the other Commiffioners to India, the
Government gave thc molt pofitive inffruEtions to
fee that the fame principles were followed up, and
the commands of the Direetors were abfolute on the
fubjeCt. There were principles laid down while a
French force had poffetrion of a considerable part of
India, and when the idea of undertaking a war ler
conquell might have appeared fame excufe for devi-
ating in a particular care from the general ly item of
limitation. But it was not on theta declarations that
he found himfelf obliged to reft his opinion. In I^Bz
Parliament unanimoufly refolved that the Briti/li em-
pire llama not be extended in India, and that no
war fhould be undertaken from a hilt of conqueit. The
fame refolution was followed up by an tepids aet of
the Legiflature in 1784 ; and at the renewal of the
charter in 1793, the continuance of the fame policy
was provided for in the molt explicit terms. This
general principle was therefore fo clearly laid down,
that it was.abfolurely itnpoffible to attempt to contro-
vert it. He was aware that a diltinaion was attempt-
ed to be taken betwixt the wars of oppreffion, which
were never to be undertaken, and wars which were
founded on jullice and neceffity. It was not very
eafy to fee on what grounds filch a plea was
brought forward. Of the origin or jultice of
many of the wars in India, the ionic and the
public were frequently, or rather always, with
out the means of (Orating a proper judgment. We
had never any evidence but the tellimenty of one of
the Belligerent Powers againit the other, and there-
fore fuch tellimony WAi to be received with dill-l•
deuce. \Ve View only in general that wars had bren
begun—that great acquifitions were made, and we
gave ourfdves little trouble to afeertain bow far
they arnfe, either nut of juitice or necetiity. The
.Dative Princes of India bad no Ambafradors to plead
their caufe. They law their country overrun—their
wealth deftroyed, and then they had only the fatif-
fairtiron of being told that they had been antrated by li
lawlefsambition. Many Members might not, per-
haps, be aware that there formerly eeilled in the
Government of Bengal a commilfion of Perflan cor-
refpondence, through which our relations with the
Native Princes were conduCted. In looking, howe-
ver, to the vaR body of papers on the Table, he had
not been able, after the moll diligent enquiry, in find
above three nr four lima documents, cons :fining no
intelligence of the flighteff importance. This cor-
refpondence was now, therefore, either altogether
aholithed, or had for a confiderable time been inf-
pended. Thus were the Houle and the Public with-
out means of jndging of the origin of conrelts in In-
dia. Our Commiffioners might he honea perfons,
and their reprefentations might be freq'rcntly found-
ed in fairnefs and truth. But we were forced to be•
lieve them, without knowing what was the naoire
of the remonffrances of the Native Princes, or what
facrifices they had made for the prcfervation of
peace. He delved the I-joule to confider what was
the extent of our conquelts in India. The Honour-
able Member proceeded to read the following lilt of
I Native Prince,. who have either been extii pared, cr
whole Cates have funk into oors : Nabob of Bengal,
Rajah of Benares, Nabob of Oude, Rohillas, Fer-
rokabad, Nabob of the Carnatic, Tippoo Stiltaun
and Myfore, now under an infant Rajah. He then
Rated the following to be the liit of thole Princes
who forvive under our Government, or are Coffered
to remain a, feeble tributaries : Rajahs of Tanjore,
Tiuncvelli, Travancore ; nubadar of the Decan by
a I.lll)f:diary treaty made in 1798 ; Gwicowar and
Grizzerat, Buodelcund, the Mogul, in llior t the A'stole
Peninfola from Delhi to Cape Cormotio, CACCr. the
Mahratta country. But tt ith all this extent of em-
pire, wiih all .
.hat vat icty of dominion, the third of
coneuet remained unbounded, and the pofitive law
of P.oliarrient for the limitation of our territories
has been again violated, by a war with the Mahratra
Powers. The pretext lcr this war (truck him AS At)
turd, and indefenAle in the higloOt degree. There
was not the ilightell trouped for fuppoting that t::e
Mahrattas entertained any views hollile town. power.
It was true, that they were agitated by inte:iine
but he defied any member, from the papers on tine
table, to thew that their proceedings could irifei:.c
any one with fribjeit for jealonly or alarm. i-le
knew it was common to reprefent the Native Pt inces
in the molt odirats light, as ab!olute monllers of de-
pravity ; but from the language of thole employed
under the Government of Lord Wellefley, it WAS easy
to fee in what light thele deferirtions fhould he con-
sidered. To facto c the tranqiiiiity of our polleillans
it was neceffary that a treaty with tole of the hl.rh•
ratta Chiefs thould be concluded, and the Pello.va
was feleaed for that purple. Now what is the cha-
raeler of this Prince, with whom it is necefrary to
Rand on good terms to promote our own ft emit y ?
Colonel PALMFIR rays, I am to have my lift private audience
of the Pelhwa this evening, when I will tualtt!a Goa effort to con-
vince his Highnefs of the tatting (enmity, power and prosperity,
which he will derive from r nihracing your Lordeli,;,'s propte.ds;
though I apprehend that notl..ing short of imminent and certain de-
ftruetion will induce him to make conceffions which nninate
arrninft his deep rooted kale,* and prejudices. and of which he
thinks he has already nude extraordinary sacrifices.

Colonel CLOSE Pays, every day's experience refute to itrergth
eu the imprellion, that, from the tilt., your Lord!iiip's
and liberal views in relation to this tAtc, hive not tlii;y !'ten dii
COrd'alt with the natural dirpontion of thc Pethwa, but to ally ad-
verfc to that felfith and wicked policy, which, in a ccr.aiti degree,
he Teems to have realized.
In the midit of perfonal peril and the loweft dehafement, he
viewed the admiMon of permanent fuppurt from your Lordthip
with the depeft avertion.
The dark complexion of the Pefhwa's difpontion and charadler,
the difguitful hiftory of his domeitic and public conduct, his atro-
cious machinations, &c.

His faithlefs and fordid policy, his hatred and Jealoufy of the
Btitifh name. - - .

.....
The prefent Pethwa has, ever fence the year 1798, aeted more
like an enemy, than a friend of the Company's Govertucent.
Yet, after all, he appears to be a young man, o whom a Chief
of his own family far that he had retired trum Poona, owing to
the thoughtlefrnefs of youth.
Thus it is that a Native Prince is loaded with abufe
by the Government of India, that he is called on to
give up t great prop'rtinn of is dominions, and all
this lot the parpoce alienating tranquil Feel:Goo of

his throne. It was not a little flngullr foe CI
Pefhwa is altv:zys reprefented As A iv.c,
that he was the head of the Maltrattas., mi.l iltat
other Chicfs wet e only hi, fervarts. This zepvt'..-1
tation w's d refllr ccnttary to fail. Ti c

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was Lothing 'nine than Cte Prole (4111111 re nil;
I the Moir au,' ('mliedegicy. Tie oriy
i Pares, and had no right to c3:.clude tile{ tic:at),
ogaintl hick it wa, eritie cl,iar he eine' toined a naid,
p aid, in his ftwatiiin, overtiou.-
I'ne Hone: wank Merrihei diretted the at teiition of the
1-1•••.•de to the manner in which Sciadia
by the in the Indian G•ivernme:it.. I; is in
terms filch as thile that a hig'i (ph i•ed Pi ince was
litied and gaduced, though it did not appear that l•••
had ever etri.•riai ed oily views triltile inzeteii..
I'!ie r-fiily a:n.l violence of that urprineipleill:::unt.
The corrupt :aud profligate coulC I. uf that wi.ak, arnyant,io
laithlefs Chic'.

Hi vioknco, rapicitr, and lawlefs ambition, h:ve been :he
natiks of thr prefrin war with the con ederate
An inexructiced youth, who as yet a old (oral
judt;ntent of hi: own Me interea9. •
Indeed, Seind;a appears to he an inexperienced youth, and i,. i
underitand, slat ..t all convcrinnt in Minna:.

He left the I loufe to make th .ir n comments (41
loch apparent inconlittency. But he deli; ed to c ill
the attention of Gentlemen to the Ipecies of treaty
offered for the acceptance of Scindia, thus fi) violently
denounced as the great ,e to the tranquillity of Incha.
The pi opoial was tranfmitted toSciudiain isc2, from
the teat of Government at Bengal. _ _ _

tit, To lublitiize a confide rabic Brii:ifti force to he Rationed
within hi. teriatuity : to cede in perpetual fovereigiity.
to the Company :in extent of territory, the net produce of whien
Ell4il be alequate to the charges of that force : to admit the arbi-
tration of the Government in all difputeg and dillerences
between Scindia and hi. Highnefs the Nizani, and eventually be-
tween .`::ebielia and the other power:: of Hindullan.
otitain for the company the cellion of the part of the Du3b
which is in Scindi..', point:ion, and that the tortreffes of Agra
and Delhi fbould be ceded to tha Company. •
Whatever propotals yuu may otter Scindia, tinder the forego-
irk; inuructio;ii, Mould be Rated to hint in the light of a concciTme
on the part ui the &Mill Government. tending to the fccurity of
his hurt-efts and the itability of his dominion ; not as directed to
objects iu any degree necuffary to the Itcuri:y of the DritiLlt
in India.

Colonel Collins inilrnaed to Rate to Scindia the rnanifft ad.
vantats to th_ ita;ality of Li, Giiveininent, and to the nroliierity
o: his affairs, wiaelt eonneclion is calculated to terurr

He was aware that the great argument againft the
Mahrattas was their harbouring French Officers
among them, with views evidently hostile to our fu-
periority. It was even alerted that there was an
army of 4,0c0 -French troops, tinder Captain Per-
ion. Of the est deuce of noir a body of troops as thele
there was not a tiogle tittle of evidence before the
Howe. It there was fo large a body under his com-
mand, it was quite clear they were nut French troops.
Indeed, alter tne minutett invedigation, he found
that there were not in the whole Mahratta army
more than twelve French Officers. It was, how-
ever, further urged, that the French Officers would
introduce European taCtics among the Mahratta
troops. .Ihis, or tar from linking his mind as an
evil, was a [Ling much to be &tired, if war was to
he kept up with the Mahratta States. It was by
abandoning their own irregular mode of fighting, that
they hollered fo leverely, and were fo effedually re-
pubed. Had they pertevered in the irregular warfare
common to their country, they would have exhibit-
ed an appearance far more formidable, and difplay-
ed a refiltance far mote dreadful. The hiltory of all
ages proved the truth of this aflertion. The l'arthi-
ans often repulled the difciplined legions of Rome.
not indeed in regular combat, but by furrounding
them, by cutting off their lupplies of provilions, by
taking all thole advantages peculiar to a barbarous
enemy. His view of the fighting of the Mahrattas
had been well undertiood by military men. Mr. Hal-
tings,one whole name he never could mention except
when he had an opportunity of mentioning it with
approbation, was fuliy of this opinion, and the fame
gentleman had exprened binned in very lining terms
on the policy of limiting our dominions. As to any
with rit Scindia to admit French coops into his do-
noniens, he dmied its exitlence. It was notorious
that Semdia abhorred the idea of foreign troops in
any 'talc of his dates. Perren was equally hateful
i and dreadful to him. It was a lid well known, that
the knowledge of this hatred was one great induce-
ment with Perron to c.ontulate with the few troops
under Lis command. In no view of the cafe, did
he think, their, that the justice or necedity of the war
had bzen eitablithcd in a tatisfaetory manner. The
reluctance !hewn againft the proud and imblent terms
Moor treaty was mutual. It would have been alto-
' itithii:g it. it hal not (sifted. The Hun. Gentleman
!telited Members to put the matter to their own feel.
togs. Was it not natural for a high cpitited Chief to
porn at terms to abjed ? To be told that the cap i-
tat of the Mahratta Ensoire was to be in the hand.:
Bor a'uitith andi to be fupported by the ha-
:tee Princes, was furely the extremett degradation.--
It was unqueflionably adding injury to intuit. He
begged leave to put a parallel cafe, and atk thee.
winat would be gentlemen's ideas of the attempt, it
Bonaparte were to propole to the independent Empe-
ror of Aolnot to fill Vienna with a French gastifoo,
and to have t! is garrilin tupported out of the Em-
peror's code: s ? What would be thought of fact'
a monifrons propolitidn ? Would it not be neatto
with cdutempt fred indignation ? Would the Kin.; of
utlia, the Ekdor of Saxony, or any other Mem-
ber of toe Gc: manic Body, lee it even hinted at wit,:
? Saould we not expel to fee them i;•
arms to refill it, if attempted by force, or Ihould w-
ont equ.:!ly detta and deipile their cowardice, if
allov.ed it to pats with impunity ? Human nature v.....
the lame in all countries on Come grand fuljeco.
reateming and If we lhould commend r.•
ropean Sove.eigus relenting jot. thence and
oppretlion, lhould we not allow tionething to 1..
feelings of a Mahratta Chief, indignant at leer:lj
capital of lii Empire in the hands of a fotei:o gars;
fin ? He caned on Gentlemen to think and
and then he thought there could be little duuh:
the re!dlt of their enquiries. He was hinifell r :
fatisfied that the war against Scindia was jolt or
ceffary. He limd mill i.ng in the papers on the tat.:
to fopport inch an opinion. The Honourable M.on•
her touched on the mode in which our wars were or-
dated in India, allowing them even to he just of r -
celrary. He Itrongly condemned putting Bo.o:i
troops fo much in the brunt of every engagement.--
If town was to be Icaled, if a pals was to be am
it any fervice of difficulty was to be pet toimed,
ropra:,ere fl invaluable,sweirealwaysem was
altogether'i
ed.lsw; tcleict,t,ut: :::t:
who
bit. It should be reculltdcd that Europeans

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PARLIAMEArART PROCEEDINGS. 1 they affelfed them accordingly. confine our conquelts and our poffeffions to Bengal, Palma is always reprefented as a Severeig: Pi eess ,
Leave was then given to bring in the bill, Mr. Pitt Bahar, and Orixa. To go farther he in my opinion, that he was the head of the Mailroom, mel Mat Ihe
HOUSE OF LORDS. FRIDAY, APRIL s. explaining to Mr. Fox that the evil be had alluded to a fcheme fo extravagantly ambitions and abfurd, that ; other Chiefs wet e only his fervarts. This tem Met
The Royal Affent by Commiflion tale Chancellor, LordsWal- would be altogether done away by the bill. no Governor and Council in their ti nfes can ever tenon W4E, cl!reelle rrntlary to fad. TI c MM.,. a
Ingham and Auckland. fitting as Commiffioners) was given to t.!l UGGLING. adopt it, lintels thc whole fyllem of the Compaay's ; was nothing tisoi e than Cie Pi ime Mini il ere en; ....,
. thele Bills .
Cottons Duty, Excite Duty, Legacy Duty. and eleven poi- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER interell be firft entirely new modelled." I the Main art,' ('einedentey. Tie %ea: °My I'r: -••r• la.
va
The Bills on the table were forwarded in their refpeCtive !laces next moved in a Committee for leave to bring in a Such was the language of one whole knowledge I Parer, and had no right to ceeclu.le that tecaly
nACsior
I,,tia,,,aai liemr from Vileount Melville to the Commit% Bill, for more effeftually preventang the practice of was uncoeftioned, and whole policy laid the on!) fore ageinfi n hich it wa s Intite clear he enteitained a 11.011
aner nquiey,trviher with the anfwer of the Comtnif- Smuggling. He oblerved, that he fhnuld render foundation of our Indian Poffeirlons• He himielf knew p )wci fill, and, in his fiaratien, nett:nil evertioe.—
husierswere preterit al at we Bar, and ordered to he printed.
Lord HAWKESBURY moved the Order of the Day, for the (mall packages, even found on board of veffels not that the government of that day fully adopted thefe foe aionomeMe. Metraw, directed the at teneion of the
-
commitment of the Englifh Militia Bill. The Houle having rc- fewer than Ice) leagues from the Englith More, Ha- principles of limited dominion. When in a.m.} he 1-1••t-ile to the manner in which Sciadia v. Jos fp•,keii i f
folt,yeadiitfelt into a Conitnntee, he moved if Noble Lords had no ble to feizure, and that he had in contemplation to went with the other Commiffirmers to India, the by tile Oilieere in the Indian Gevernmente I: is in
oja
th s tor,powtea
which tsoacar7
rdoitnthic thatcjanof,s,ad flu'
eßeilrl fLuritild be enaft cc: tain regulations fir the trade of Geernfey, Government gave thc moll pofitive intlru.Etions tn terms feels as thefe that a his:lll;4h i•ed Pi ince was s .
reathe motion of lii, Lordthip, that ito
be read a n 'thad "Le. °On" end the other Minds contiguous thereto. In thole fee that the fame principles were followed up, and lified arid ti educed, though ii did not appear that le•
Monday. - iii Inds, finuggling was carried on to a very coot- the commands of the Direftors were abfolute on the had ever etnertai ed any views 11,1111 e to our inzeteil..
comer:v:ln"; 01 NAVAL EN ')DIRT. moos anionnt. He fliould fubjeft the crews of ref- fubjeft. There were principles laid down while a rie pee fidy aed violence of that unprincipled l'hiei•taiti.
tai'tlilliheise.cirliniz,t aud profligate caul c I. of that w,.ak, arnyant, ....!
Lord KING willted to ark of the Noble Secretary of Ids, employed in frnuggling, to penalties, unlefs French force had poffeilimi of a contiderable part of
Stare, whether it was the intention of his falMetty'e transferred with their own confent to the navy. It India, and when the idea of undertaking a war fen fin eienneC,rapteite, and 'mid's ambition, have been the n- , .
Minifters to propole any Bill for prolonging tl:e Com. was further his intention to prevent imoggling lie conquell might have appeared fame excufe for deyi- cam r .es 0. the omren( war with the vie ederate h'illaratta ~..'hiet .
million of Naval Enquiry, which, owing to the ~ quors being fold at the out ports, a praCtice which ating in a particular slate from the general lyttem An lilt/W:1 lellCed youth, who of as yet c .uld rural no e-: i ...
rangements that had been adopted for the ermine. at prelim gives great facility to the felling of Ipitits limitation. But it was not on theta declarations that joannent cif
irk own true lltteralß.
Indeed Scisid.a appears to he an inexperiencedyouth, and i. i
of the prefent Salon would expire with the selionci under proof. The Bill was now ordered. he found himfell obliged to reft his opinion. In t 78z dad 'd ii r in • ( '
All el' II , Mit ..1 .t.. Cl/11Ver.AIll eiiiiiien.
Parliament unanimoufly refolved that the Britilli em- He left the I loule to make ili.ir on n comments no
If Minifters (Int not think proper to renew a et.lennif. STATE OF 01/R AFFAIRS IN INDIA.
firm, from which In much advantage had been de- Mr. FRANCIS then role, and in a matterly and pine !honld not be extended in India, and that no loch apparent inconlittency. But he deli; ed to call
rived to the public, he would feel it incumbent on luminous (peed), to which we confefs our inability to war (hold be undertaken from aloft of conqueit. The the attention of Gentlemen to the Ipecies of treats- e
him to Mina fox ward a Bill to that drat. do anything like full Office, took a view of our af- fame refolution was followed tip by an exprefe ad of offer ed for the acceptance of Scindia, thus fit violently
Lord HAWKESBURY was not aware that his fairs in India. It would not, he fee out by 01-nerving, the Legiflature in i eB4 ; and at the renewal of the denounced as the great fie to the tranquillity of India.
Itiaje li v's Miniiters had come to any determination be denied, that the ftate of our immenfe dominion in charter in i-93, the continuance of the fame policy •
rhepinpnfal was Cranfinitted to Sciudia in lb:Ca, from
on the .fuhjed ii , bin he ndertiond, from what had pat- the Eall, was a fubjeet of the higheit importance that was provided for in the molt explicit terms. This the teat el Government at Ben .r. I.
fed in another place, that time would he allowed to could be tubmitted to the conlideration of Parlia- general principle was therefore fo clearly laid down, act, To lubliaize a confidtirable Beirlif: force to he Rationed
them to finifh the important enquiries in which they ment. In proportion, however, as this empire was that it was.abfolutely itnpoffible to attempt to contro. within his ainnii,...iis
t..i the Company a 0 i•xi'teinet'l'Oft';ehrincrti(r'yc,'dt heeilinperet rireotudauleek7'weigh.ll7
Were engaged. extended, it teemed to excite left of the attention ei, vert it. He was aware that a dittination was attempt-
ste4t'ncietarZan
IRISH MILITIA. they of the Houfe or the Public. It teemed as if ice ed to be taken betwixt the wars of oppreffinn, which
h,i,oefi,ri is,iitiii,elt
thine aNllizdaiinputeg
and
chilerences
oration
liolite at.le:lu.aßret...,thce charges of that force : to admit the ar.,i.
ikarn. eventually
The Irifn Militia Bill, and feveral Private Bills very greatnefs had rendered it ftiperior to the capa- were never to be undertaken, and wars which were hetwel::
twcen t:.eiudia and.
the ot.ieir' powers of Hindle;
be-
were brought gip from the Commons, by Mr. Aims. city of the Hook fully to underhand or beneficially founded on pace and necellity. It was not very
i o ritoain for the Cu:tip:lay the cellion or the liar of the Duab I
ANN R and others, to regulate. If this 'call), was the cafe, it was only eafy to fee on what grounds filch a plea was
sysueiiii'cinkilshirrtheocunitactibe•s po:!ciLLioand. :AIL that the !ortreffes of Agra
The frith Militia Bill was read a firft time, and, an additional proof of the impolicy of that all-grafp• brought forward. Of the origin or jultice of
propoemchate to the Lompaoy: .
on the motion of Lord HAWKESBURY, ordered ing fyftem which had too long guided our councils many of the wars in India, the Houle. and the Whatever
h
0,1..ti1,e,
titintLriru:ftrett,i,,...ti,i,tsdh,
ett:torutilltdai
fhblivitit;ytot
vaoctiendhmitsioed::::iit,,,ii
tending
you may err :4 I)eindia,tmder the tomer.-
to be read a fecund time on Monday, for which day in India ; an additional confirmation that loch a public were frequently, or rather always, with inz in
eln:ihn;egnitiorg.tht htaeos fdficarceuc:ritnet‘dyCli7e7t.
fyftem mull continue to produce corfequences of the an order for fummoning their Lordfhips was made. nut the means of forgoing a proper judgment. We
AMPRICAN SHIPS LICCNCE RILL. matt dirattreus nature. Abufes mull, from the very had never any evidence but the tellionoty of one of
init..= any degree necetlary to the I.curity of the laritith Empit ,
On the commitment of this Bil, nature of things, fpring out of this excelliee lull for the Belligeient Powers againft the other, and there-
Lou d SHEFFIInLD exprefted his difapprnbatino power. Abules mull arife from the remotenefs of fore fuch tellimony wai to be received with dilii• 1 Colonel Collins intimated to Rate to Seindia the manif,ft ad.
of the prine'ple of the Bill, and proteßed agaw
inf3/4 ex our peffeffinns, ni little liable to inveftigation or pin deuce. \Ve View only in general that wars hail been vantages to tlO ita;ality of Li, Government, and to the prolperity
.o: his allhirs, hich the propol, .1 connedion is calculated to terure
tending fuch advantages to Foreign Ship Owners, nithment. But it was fit that the Houfe fhould bear begun—that great acquit tions were made, and we
when the Ship Owners of this country were, many in mind, that evils which originated in India would gave ourfelves little trouble to afceriain how far
He was aware that the great argument againft the
of them, nototioufly in a Rate of infolvence, occa not confine themfelves to that country. Even at this they arnfe, either nut of juilice or neceffity. The ftlehrattas was their heihouring French Officers
honed by want of employment for their tonnage.— moment, fome of there evils were already telt, and .Dative Princes of India bad no Ambafradors to plead among them, with views evidently hottile to out- fu-
It was not, however, his intention to divide the Houfe many more would follow in their track. India, tin• their caufe. They faw their country overrun—their Periority. It was even alerted that there was an
on the Bill. The Bill was then reported. der its prefent Government, afforded its no revenue, wealth deftroyed, and then they had only the fatif- army of 14.,0c0 -French hoop
After having difpofedmf fome other routine buff- It was on the contrary there that our ref Alt ces were fadion of being told that they had been :satiated by lon. Of the exiitence of tilde a body of troops as thefe
nefs, their Lordfhips adjourned till Monday. confioned in ruinous cenquelts, that the flower of our lawlefsambition. Many Members might not, pm- there was not a bugle tittle of evidence before the
_ troops were cut off, fighting unneceffery battles. In- haps, be aware that there formerly milled in the
Howe. it there was fo large a body under his com-
,
HOUSE OF COMMONS dia, under a wife fyltem of policy, might be at once Government of Bengal a commillion of Perfien core
mend, it was quite clear they were not French troops. i
The Speaker went to the Nonce of Peers, co hear the Royal of a fource of revenue and a fund of the moll bench- refoondence, through which our relations with the Indeed, alter toe ininutett inveaigatinn, he found
tent given by Commifflon to feveral public and private bills (for c:
a.I commerce. Before tbefe effeds took place, how. Native Princes were conducted. In looking, Inswe- that there were not its the whole Mahratta army
more than twelve French Officers. It was, how-
which fee the Lords.)
several pareanerewdbeforethe Houk relative to the frail ever, the prefent lyftem of apathy, with regard to ver, to the veil body of papers on the Table, he had
ever, further urged. that the French Officers would
proceedings of the Navy Board, in the cafe of Sir H. Popham. our Indian affairs, mull be abenderned for a fyisem of not been able, after the moll diligent enquiry, to fluid
%Vigil a Member moved io be read. This motion, after a few ob- jealoufy, of jutlice, and of moderation. From the above three nr four Runt documents, contetnina no introduce Emonean taetics among the Mahratta
fervations from Sir Harry Mildmay, Earl Temple, Sir William
conduft of Parliament now, with regard to India, it intelligence of the flightefl importance. This cor. troops. .1 Me, to tar from ttriking his mind as an
Burroughs, and Adml,al Markham, was agreed to; hut the Re- appeared as if her authority to legiflete for that part refpond
port of the Navy Board proving tedious, Mr. PITT moved " thatence was now, therefore, either altogether evil, was a tiring much to be delired, if war was to
he kept up with the Mahratta States. It was by
she papers Mould be read Mort," and they were read accordingly. of the Empire, were ablaliately abdicated. From a aholithed, or had for a confiderable time been lid-
WEST INDIES. deep convidion that this lyflem could not long he pended. Thus were the Houle and the Public with- abandoning their own Irregular mode of fighting that
Mr.BARHAM, in confequence of what he deemed re:llama in, he had rifer to call the attention of the out means of judging of the origin of cornetts in In.
they foffered In teverely, and were fo effedually re-
the alarming (fate of our Well India iflands, role to Houle to the lubjed, as he had felt it his duty to do dia. Our Commiffloners might he linne4 parlous, pulled. Had they pertevered in the irregular warfare
. move Mr copies of any papers or letters received from en many former occafions. Since he had lag Mb- and their reprefentations might be framently found-
common to their country, they would have exhibit-
.
Admiral Cochrane and others, on the cons& of our milted the confederation of our affairs in India gene- ed in fairnefs and truth. But we were forced to lie ed an appearance far more formidable, and difplay-
forces &Rifled to, or Rationed in the Well India rally to Parliament, the conliitution of the Houk had lieve them, without knowing what was the nantre ed a refinance tar mote dreadful. The hiltory of all I
Minds, efpeeially of any tnealur es taken for adding been to much changed, as well as the individuals who of the remonftrances of the Native Minces, or what Rhos proved the truth of this aflertion. The Parthi-
to our force there fince the intelligence of the failing compofed it, that it became neceffary for him to take facrifices they had made for the prefervation of alts often repulled the difciplined legions of Rome.
of the Rochefort frmadron. He remarked, that he a fhort view of our India policy, from the time of peace. He defired the Houle to confider what was not indeed in regular combat, but by furrounding
withed this, as, if proper meaftires had been taken, our firli fettling there down to the prefent day, de the extent of our
conquelts in India. The Honour- I them, by cutting off their supplies of promfions, by
there would be no oecation for alarm ; and, if inade. bribing briefly the principles which Parliament had able Member proceeded to read the following lilt of taking all thole advantages peculiar to a barbarous
qiiate meafuree were taken, it would he deferable to at different perigee's laid down for the reoulation of Native Prince', who have either been cxtii pared, cr enemy. His view of the fighting of the Mahrattas
remedy the evil, and obviate the Ma fears of thole our Government. In the firft place, he lead to Rate whole flaws have Conk into ours :N I hof _A.llO,, Bengal, had been well undertiood by military men. Mr. Hal-
r
More immediately concerned in Well India property. the morons which induced him fo often to take up Rajah of Benares, Nabob of Oude, Rohillas, Fer- tinge,one whole name he nave could mention except
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEZIEM this office ; this thenkiefs office, as he had often ex- rokabad, Nabob of the Carnatic, 'Pippo° Sithaun when lie had an opportunity of mentioning it with
bad not the Righted ohjention to the produdion perienced it. It was in 1773 that his &HI connec. and Myfore, now tinder an infant Rajah. He then approbation, .vasfully of this opinion, and the fame
of the fullell information on every one of the min with India originated, when he was fent out by limed the following to be the lift of thole Princes gentleman had expreited hinitelt in very lining terms
points to which the Honourable Gentleman had the Government of that period to be a Member of who forvive under our Government, or arc Coffered on the policy of limiting our dominions. As to any
alluded. At the prefent, however, he could affire the Supreme Council. During a refidenre of lix to remain a" feeble tributaries : Rajahs of Tanjore, with of &MUM to admit French coops into his do-
the Hook that their produdion would be attended years in India, his conduft had ever received the Tiuncvelli, Travancore ; nubadar of the Decan bs- nimions, lie deMed its exitlence. It was notorious ,
with the molt ferious inconvenience to the public fteongeft marks of' approbation ; and on his return a I.llbl:diary treaty made in 1799 ; Gwicnwar and that Scindia abiturred the idea of foreign troops in
fervice. When he mentioned this. he Mulled the Hon. in 1781, it had undergone the mat rigid exemi- Guzzerat, Peiedelctind, the Mogul, in thou t thew hie j any pal tof his il a tes. Perrin was equally hatettil e
Gentleman would in the mean time confent to with- nation. A Committee of the Houfe had examined Peninfisla from Delhi to Cape Cormorie, excel" the i and dreadful to him. It wag a fad well known, that
,
draw his motion. every aft or every opinion which he had deli• Mahratta country. But nith all this extent of en.- I the knowledge of this hatred was one great induce- ,
This liaggellion was acceded to. But vend while a Member of the Supreme Council ; and pine, with .01 !hat moiety of dominion, the third of mein with Pet out to cenittilate with the few troops t
Mr. ST. A. ST. JOHN role, and Rated his under- he was proud in the recollelion that the Report of concucti remained unbounded, and the politive law tinder Lis summand. l'n no view of the cafe, did ,
akt nding that the naval defence of our Welt India that Committee was as favourable as ever hi; mnft of railiammt for tile limitation of our territories he think, then, that the judice or neceflity of the war - •
Mends had not been greater after the expiration of a fanguine willies cr uld have defined. It was a Re- has been ;,gain violated, by a war with the Mahratta had been ettablithed in a latilaetory manner. The ..
naval campaign than it had been during the peace. port of the moll unqualified approbation. Other Powers. The pretext ler this war [truck him as ale reluittance (hewn agaitill the proud and intblent terms
If this was rehhly the cafe, it betrayed the moll col- Committee. had made limiter reports, and after all turd, and indefenAle in the highe!l degree. T;ere oh our It e•e'Y was mutual. It would have been alto- i
pable negligence en the part of Minifters, and it was the inquiry which did take place, he had a right to was not the ilightell ground for fuppoting that t::e I iiithieg it it bad not c 'titled. The liras. Gentlemen
fit that the matter fhould be fully invefligated. He fay, that though not formally tried, be was as much Mahrattas entertained any views hottile town- prewar. I delirad Members to put the matter to their own feel •
therefore gave notice of a motion on the lubjeift. on his trial as even Mr. Haltings was, when he was It was true, that they were agitated by inimi Me :Mato i togs. Was it not natural for a high fpirited Chief to
No reply was made by Minifters, formally arraigned before the higheß tribunal in but he defied any member, from the papers on the Tian at te.rms to ahjeit ? To be told that the capi-
VICE ADMIRALTY AT MALTA. this country. To himfelf, who had received fo little table, to thew that their proceedings could irifpii.e i tat of the Main-acts Entnire was to be in the hand,:
On the motion of Sir WILLIAM SCOTT, the Iblid advantage from the attention lie had bellowed any one with fobjed for jealoufy or alarm. me. of aTtitilli ma :dim, andi to be fupported by the lia.
Howie refolved into a Committee, to confider of the on Indian affairs, it was a confolation to know, that knew it was common to reprefent the Native Pt inces rive Princes, was Cutely the extremeltdegradation.---
expediency of fixing the Calories of the Commif ion. his conduit, and the policy which lie had ever ram- in the molt odioits light, as abtolute monllers of de- It was unqueflionably adding injury to infult. He
ors of the Vice Admiralty Court at Malta at two mended, had received the moll flattering teltimonies. pravity ; but from the language of thole employed begged leave to put a parallel cafe, and atk thet'.
thoufand guineas each annually, and augmenting the —Having laid fo much re/pelting the origin of his under the Government of Lord \Vellefley, it was eat y .
what would be- gentlemen's ideas of the attempt, it
allowamee to inferior officers in the fame Court. conflation with India, he proceeded to elle dire& to fee in what light thel'e delcriptions fhould be con- Bonaparte were to propote to the independent Empe-
The Committee came to a refolution to the pre- confideration of the queflion, in doing which, he af. lidered. To feciiie the tranqtriaity of our poileillans ror of Aoltrio to fill Vienna with a French gat lifter.
eedi:.g effed, and the Chairman was inftrufled to move ft:red Gentlemen, that they had no oesafion to be it was neceffary that a treaty with one of the lalah• and to have this garribin lopported out of the Em-
for leave to brine in a bill to carry it into execution. alarmed by any apprelienfion of long, dry details.— ratta Chiefs fbeuld be concluded, and the Pelliwa perm's cede: s,? What would be thought of fete:
The Hmile reflated, the Report was received, and Ail that he had in contemplation was a bird's eve was feleaed for that purple. Now
what is the cha. a Inm:in-oils propolithin ? Would it not be
of tieilltk:.
the law ocers were initialed to bring in the bill. view of the bufinefs, for that would be fully fuffi. raacr of this Prince, with whom it is neceffary to . with cmitemp ion!
t indignation ? Would the Kin,; of 0
PAPPFSTY TAX. cient for the objea he had propofed nn the prefent Rand on good terms to promote our own tietirit y ? nutlia, the Eleclor of Saxony, or any other Mem- ~,
• The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEOSER, occafion. There was agreat deal of matter in the colonel PALNIFIR rays, lam to have my lift private audience her of tile (-.c: manic Body, lee it even hinted at wit:, '
agreeably to n.,tice, r.•le to move for leave to tiring papers before the Houle, to which he Mould not ofthehPieflzahtheris evretnhOcag,hwt.hcii If will tuafte a frinal,,idifortilto con-
.. in,!ili.:l-criec ? Siiroild we not exiled to fee them le
a bi:l to amend certain provitions of the Property feel it neceffary to allude, nor did he now mean to vines
el, h.e will dervs ?! from ..niZacien'snryt.t.uY'r Pl7ltli,:,'i Pprroll;:::tiiY: I aim, te refill it, if attempted by force, or Ihould w-
in
AC. He explained to the Houle very briefly the ob fey any thing of thole military operations, the de- though I apprehend that notllng Mort of imminent and certain de- , not equally cletta and deipile their cowardice, if th ,
jt.9 which he had in view. The bill was meant to tails of which were fo numerous and intricate.— ftruetion win induce him en make concrilioni which nOii,ate ! allowed it to pals with impunity ? Human nature w.•
give frefh facilities in procuring the abatements for With regard to the origin of our connedion with In. amintt his deep rooted kilo* and prejudices,. and of which he i the lame in all countries on Conic grand funjan , •
hints he has already made extraordinary iacrahees. I reatiming and feelite,,,. If we ilteuhl
.- commend to
thole not liable to the payment of the tax, and to dim it was hardly neceffary for him to remind the t Colonel CLOSE i' iays, every day's experience textile to ftr,outh
grant relief to rams burdens attaching on leaks given Honfe, that it was originally purely commercial, eit the imprellion, that, from the heft, your Lord!iiip'. anieir:le ropean Sove..eigue relenting iiiedetice and retell,
1 eld we Lot n allow i oniethin g to t..
by Cerpnrations, but it was mai ked on the part of the native Princes. and liberal view* in relation to this :tate, have not r...ty beet. dir. I oppreillun, lien
I Mr. FOX called the attention of the Houle to the with c very appearance of good under Rending eorWant wit h the natural dirpontion of thc.PaLwa, hot t:ltally act- I feelings ot a Mehratta Chiet, indignant at
wee to that felfith and wickcd policy, which, in a cer.en degree, 1 . •
fevere hardihips to which many pertons not afteffed and even kindnefs. They not only affoided us every he 1 capital ot In Empire in the havid, ot a foteio gar.:
fee to halt realized.
f ?on He caked on Gentlemen to think and 1.2
I ! were now liable. They were exempted, but fo great facility for carrying on an advantageous trade, but In rm. midit of perfonal peril and the loweft dehareme.m, he 1
I
in many cafes were the difficulties attending the adually conferred on us immunities and exemptions viewed the admiMon of permanent ruppor front your Lordrhip ' and then he thought there could he little (foul): ..:
abatements that the exemption was, in fall, a mere which many of their own fubjeds did not enjoy. It with the depeft avertion. the reMlt of their enquiries. He was hinifelt I • :
of the Pefhwa's difpontion and charadter, . • •
The dark complexion . :
fattshed that the war againtt Scindia was jolt
or
nullity. He hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman bad was, in a mercantile point of view, wife in the na-
the deguftful hiftory of his domeltic and public coliduet, Mr atro- '
ibe remedy of this evil in view. tive Princes to encourage trade with foreign nations. cious machinations, nee. celfary. Ile t•tund mill i I.llg in the papers on the tel •
Mr. ST. A. ST. JOHN feggefled tome further But while their commercial eye was opened, their His faithlefs and fordid policy, his hatred and Jealoufy of thc to foppyrt foci) an opinion. The Honourable Mem
t provilions for the exemption of charities, now fnbjed political eye was chafed. They did not aft on thole Britifh name, her touched on the mode in which tour wars were C.--
The preterit Pethwa has, ever fence the year 1798, acted more dulled in India, allowing them even to he jutt or re -
it e the tar. principles which had foeffedually excluded European
d at the Coman s Government.
like an enemy, than a friend cellar y. He Itrongly condemned putting 13:1•1•:,
r, Colonel BASTARD recommended tome relief to nations from the dominion of China. It was not till Yet, after all, he appears to, be a young man, o' whom a Chief
farmers, who now Coffered feverely tinder the tax.— 1765 that our fituation in India ((attained any impor- °this own family lays that he had retired tram Poona, owing to troops fo much in the Mont of every engae,ement.—
Nike() of being afraid on ablolute property, they taut change. Our firtt conflation with Bengal, was the thoughdeffnefs of youth. MA town was to be waled, if a pals was to be Rot ill' l'
were aifeffed on nominal property, which the Corn- in the cbarader of adventurers. After that period, Thus it is that a Native Prince is loaded with abufe it any fetvice of difficulty was to be polo:med, Lit•
m
miffirers awned to ihemfelves, they derived from we began to airtime the charafter of Sovereign. But by the Government of India, that he is called on to ropeans were always employed. This is :tile et me:
the cultivation of their land. The Commillioners what was then the language of Lord Clive, a man to give up i great proportion of his dominions, and all who were In invaluable, was altogether or mcgiume•
fecund to proceed aka the principle, that Willey did whom we owe the eredtion of our immca& cam this for the parpele of ticuling tranquil polfeffion of , bit. It Mould be reculledcd that Europeans we::
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squill- non. proteCtinn *gain(' the hoßility of the na-
••vet, the only fccutity againft the treachery of our
Sepoy ft whom the Mahratta Chiefs might fucceed
in detaching horn their allegiance. This lag was a
critical and interefting view of the fubjeft, and was
a m•sit powerful inducement no longer to perfift in
extending our empire by ufclefs and infecure con-
q lolls. our army were fcattered over an immenfe
track of country—if they were to ftretch to Agra, to
De:hi, and to Ponnalt, it was impodible to fay to
what &rafters they might be cxpofcd. He Paid, with
great emphafts, we fir(' had commerce, commerce
produced faEtorie►, faaories pi oduced garrifons, gar-
:dons produced armies, armies produced conquefls,
and corm-pelts brought us into our prefent lituation.
I.f !nixed all that reafon could allow him from the
Lord lately appointed to the Government in
• • I. Whatever could he effeCted by prudence,
and moderation, would dirlingnigh his admi-
- Ih rtion. The Honourable Gentleman, after corn-
, •n:-ttin7, the talents of Lord Welleaey, concluded
• :• f.llowing Motion
• (Su Houle adheres to the principle eftahliked ►y its
una-
•nm Re anamo of the 38th of Mal, 138 s. and reeognifed and
by the Legiflature in two (evert: Ads of Parliament of
the 34th and ijil years of his Majeßy's reign—namely, "that to
ptirfo: khetnes of conqueft and meanie, of dominion in India,
are ntea•'urrs repugnant to the with, the honour, and the policy of
this nation."

upon the quenion being put from the Chair,
Lord CASTLEREAGH role, and after a few
prefatory obfervations, Rated the reafons for op.
pofing the motion, which was now fuhmitted to the
corfideration of the Houfe. The Honourable Mem.
her had undoubtedly taken many opportunities of
difplaying to the Houfe his knowledge of the finan-
cial affairs of India; but, after having for many
yeirs remained filent upon the fubjed of the general
policy of our Afiatic affairs, he had now called
upon Parliament in one night to fix their real to a
declaration that our conduit in India for the lag o
or 3o years, had been one uniform fyllem of aggran-
difement and of rapine. His mode of enforcing this
idea he conceived to be particularly liable to objet
tion ; he had feleiltd various pottage* from a niol
voluminous collation of papers, where it WAS impof-
fible for him to fay that the context might not give a
very different turn to the interpretation which would
be given to thee fentences when detached from the
other parts of the paper to which each fentence par-
ticularly belonged. He had then taken fo wide a
field, that it was impoflible to tell what was the pre
cite object which he had in view. He could n t con-
ceive i' prtaible that the Honourable-Member had de•
floned to throw, or if he did, could the Honourable
i mber himfelf fuppofe that the Houfe would
agree with him in Ramping a general mark of odium
on our Councils for Inch an extenlive period? Much
lets could he fuppofe it pt,ffible that the Honourable
Member was In ungenerous as to be difpofed to call
reffexions upon the charader of perfons who were
not prefent to defend themfelves, but who, if pre-
fent, might be able to exculpate themfelves in a man-
ner moll fully to the fatisfaclion of the Houle. He
bad endeavoured to follow the Honourable Member
as near as pollible through the different Gatements
which he had made, and the inferences which he had
drawn; and, from what he could coned, it appeared
to him to be a main objea of the Honourable Gen-
tleman to enforce a particular connrudion of an Al
of Parliament. From our prefent fituation he had
endeavoured to (hew that we had been guilty of a
breach of that law, and he had endeavoured to for-
tify that polition by quoting the opinions of others,
but which opinions were given in a general way, and
not with a view to any particular tronfoilion. The
Pacific intentions of this Government were unquef-
tionahly declared at different periods; but then it
would be abfurd to Cry that in the event of our
being attacked, or of our teeing evident marks of a
balite difpofition towards u; or our Allies, we &mid
declare to the power who attacked us as our enemy
or who was making preparations for that pttrpofe,
that " here we are chained to our poll, and, even
it you arc unfuccelsful, our Legiflature has taken care
that you than not tole an inch of territory." He
would take the liberty of obfervirg however, that the
lienourable Gentleman had given ton confined an
iittotratiras of what were the intentions of the Legit-
Wore. It had undoubtedly bound down the Gover.
ronr-General in particular cafes, but it had never Paid
to him, " You (hall form no connexions, you (ball
guarantee no States, whatever may be the circum-
fiances which than vile." Parliament had only con-
littered the general fitnifs or eapediency of put%
ftrintr, meofures of a ;medic nature, without meaning
to go the leng.h of Ming up the hands of the
Governor• General in every cafe which might with-
hly occur. From the limited nature of the debates
of the Houfe, it was unpoffible for him to follow
the Honour able Gentleman through his various h ate-
merits, but he reconciled that the Honourable Mem-
ber had recited the names of leveral Ptinces in or-
der to give a colour to his charge. The circumllances
which were connected with each of thefe different
cafes would be more than fufficient for one night's
inveffigation, and if the Hon. Member conceived that
any one of thefe perfons were dealt unjultly by, he
(hould have taken the fenfe of Parliament on that par-
ticular cafe. The Hun. Gentleman, however, had
taken a more extenfive view; he bad raid that our
relation with the natives of India was at firfl corn-
ntercial, and that we had afterwards changed it
to that of a political stature. He (hould, however,
h rye had the candour to acknowledge that our poll-
s% as necelfary to the litppor t of our commercial
f.••• ; he thould have conlidered that the conduit
r, France was always the goading principle that
a.:,114,ed us to adopt tittle measures of precaution for
ur own fecurity ; it was that which made us change
'itort a commercial to a political fyllem in India—
'.y cry of Czr ! hear !] The Hon. Gentleman had alto
t..rgot to notice the two Myfore wars ; he finely
would not pretend to fav th:l were wars of aggref.
lion for the fake of tongued only—he would not pre-
tend to lay that thcfc wars were unjuft or difhonour.
able in their nature. Did he forget in particular that
which was commenced for tl.e purpofe of the rellora-
t,tar of a branch of the native Hindoo family to his
:tilt inheritance ? The Hon. Member had thought
cif, however, to notice the changes which had taken
,tiace in the Carnatic and Oude ; but it was to be re.
olleacei that the alterations which took place in our
bination both in the years 1763 and 1765 were fuck
re were molt particularly jultifiatte, on account of
11c$1- intimate connexion which thefe States then had
• itti us, and of the &fire which they expreffed for
. us luppttrt. As to the fituation of flu Mum's Go-

vernment, he thought that was the Taft which would
have been motioned in a charge againft the Compa-
ny, or the Governor General. There were to,ooo of
the Company's troops who had gone to his aftiikance,
and they had difcharged their own expence, and
added to his territory. The Mahratta quellion be
confidered not to be quite In clear, but that a rational
doubt might be entertained of the policy of the con-
neBion. Bat it was to be conadered, that previous to
the Treaty of 13affien there were no French in the
Mahratta States ; that it was the well founded opi.
nion of Marquis Wellefley, that if they became more
improved in difeipline, and were taught to aft upon a
regular fyflem of war, they would become extremely
dangerous ; that however it might be of little conk-
quence if liolkar was fuperior to Scindia, or if Scin-
&a had the advantage of Holkar ; yet, if in their
improved Rate of difiipline, any one power was to
have the entire command of the Mahratta Empire, it
would be likely to endanger the farther continuance
of our power in the EaR. In 1798, we had offered
a number of Bririlh troops for the defence of the
Myfore, but French were admitted inftead of them.
The Treaty which was the bafis of the Triple Al-
liance, and which was difeovered after the fall of
Tippno, was fofficierst evidence of the connexion
which had been foi med. And if any thing further
were wanting, the particular concs& of the French
at the dole of the year t 798, when they made Inch
vaft hazard as they did for the fake of the poffeffion
of Egypt, wa's an additional proof of the objeas which
they had in view, of the connections which were
formed, and nt the danger which was to be appre-
hended. As to our conduit towards the Pelhwa, it
was well known that he had molt earnelily folicited
our interference ; anti, if we had once permitted
Frenchmen to be introduced into the Councils of the
Mahratta States, we might find ourfelves involved
in a fituation (torn which it would be difficult to ex-
tricate ourfelves. M. Perron had been fpoken of but
fligktingly, and Gentlemen might be difpnfed to ua
dervaltie the weight of his inflnence in India ; hut he
thought it neceffary to inform the Houfe that he had
a dirat revenue of 1,700,0001. per annum, and that
he had an army from 30 to ao,coo men. If a
perfon fo formidable as he was, and one who was
lead), to fell his authority to the belt advantage to
any of the Native Princes—if fuch a man was ftsifered
to remain there unrnoleltcd, and if the French thould
have an opportunity hereafter of fendirg an army of
to,ooo Europeans into the Guzzerat, it would be
impoffible to calculate as to what [night be the con-
fequences. To avert this threatened danger, Mar.
quit Wellefley had entered into a league with the
Pelhwa, who is the lawful Reprefentative of the Rajah
of Satterah, as being the molt likely meats of ad-
vancing the interefis of the Company. He had fence
that condliFted a campaign, in which he had the
greatelt difficulty to furmonnt, but which he had
brought to that glorious termination which mull
castle his name to be handed down to pollerity as a
molt enlightened and vigorous Statefman. He
wifhed pa, ticularly to imprels upon the minds of
Gentlemen who paid attenii•in to our affairs in India,
that the fiate of the Mahratta Empire was entirely
changed ; that Holk sr had given lirong indication
of a hotlile mind ; that he had intended to effablifh a
Pelhwa of his own, and to unite with the Rajah of
Berar ; and that lie oily waited until th- termination
of the rainy fealOn to commence his military opera-
tions. There fads, he was aware, did not appear be-
fore the Hoofe ; he thought it was but fair, however.
that they fhould be admitted for the prefent ; and
when they were capable of being proved, he fliould
he very happy in bringing forward every evidence
that was neceffary to explain the fubjea. In the
mean time, he thonglit it would be totally unnecef-
fary to sepeat a principle which had been fo often de.
clared ; and, as tile Honourable Member hail not
pointed out any-particular instance which he might
think worthy of the conlideration of the Houle, hut
had entered into the dilcidlion of fo many general
fubjees that it was impollible to come to a conclulinn
upon the whole in the comic of one night's debate,
he fhould think himfelf jullified in moving the ether
Orders of the Day.

Upcn the SPEARER putting the queflion,
Earl TEMPLE oblirved that his Honourable
Friend (Mr. Francis), had pin his mots 'n in the
ntott relpeltable form that the firbjeet would admit
of. He differed, however, from him materially in
his view of the politics of India. There were words
of his which !truck bin, forcibly at the time, and
which he had taken down, namely. that we com-
menced our conneCtion with India by means of com-
merce, that commerce produced faCtories, that facto-
ries produced garrifons, that garrifons produced ar-
mies, that there produced conquefts, which brought
us to the Hate in which we are at prefent. But it did
not confequently follow that all our conquefts in
that quarter muff be unjuft. There was another
point in his Honourable Friend's fpeech, which he
muff alfo notice, that was the idea of a knowledge of
European taffies being dangerous to the natives of
India ; he, on the contrary, was of opinion, that a
fmall number of Frenchmen fcattered over different
parts of the Continent of India, would be more ef-
feCtually ferviceable to the natives by inftruaing
them, and more dangerous to us, than a much
greater force aCting in a body as a military force
againft us. As to the conclnet of his Noble Friend
(who was now moil probably on his way home,) in
concluding the treaty at Puonah, he thought that it
mutt be clear that if any blame can be attached to
this trankEtion, it moll attach to the Court of Di.
reCtors, who gave him Authority fu to di,. Upon
the whole he felt himfelf bound to fupport the
amendment of the Noble Lord (Lord Caillereagh).
Dr. LAWRENCE readily concurred in the prin-
ciples laid down by his Honourable Friend. The
queftion was uf the utmoft importance, as it involved
the happinefs of upwards of 32 millions of people.—
The principle that was the object of the motion was
not new, it had been already functioned by the
Legislature, and if at any time it was proper to be
fanBioned, there certainly could be no impropriety
in again giving it the fandtion of parliamentary au-
thority, particularly at a time when a new Governor
was on the eve of his departure for that country.—
Could there be any danger from principles that had
already been avowed by the Honfe, or should they
have a tendency only to fetter the Governor, as al-
Wiwi by the Noble Lord oppate (Lord Cattle
reagh), could thofe fetters be reckoned unconllitu-
tional. that bad been formerly judged necelfary by
the Honk ? On the contrary, the proceedings that

were lnflitoted againß Mr. Mailings had arlfen
from an idea that he lad departed from thofe princi-
ples which Parliament had formerly recommended to
the Government of India, and which the prefent
motion went only to recognize. The Learned Gen-
tleman then took a view of the progrefs of our con-
quells in India. We had feized on one territory af-
ter another, and on fuch grounds as rendered the
principle of conqueft illimitable, although at the fame
time it was hardly attempted to be denied that even
from motives of policy we ought to cultivate the arts
of peace. Becaufe we bordered oh a power, lhatild
that power quarrel among themfelves,we had hitherto
thought this a fufficient reafon to jollity our inter-
ference. By what right, he wiffied to know, did we
fet ourfelves up as judges in the family affairs of the
native Princes ? What right had we to daermine
which was the legitimate or illegitimate fueceffor, in
cafes where no appeal was made to us ? Why fhould
we ea in the Ealt, on a principle that would n t be
jufkifiable in the Welt ? This might be geographical
morality, but certain he was it was not found mora•
lity. The Learned Member then painted in very ani-
mated colours, the miferies which thole wars in India
oecafioned to the natives. Dzfolation and famine
were always in their train. Villages and towns, con-
fiderable enough to be laid dawn in the maps of In-
dia, were fometimes found without a tingle inhabi-
tant. Thofe calamities were at a diflance, and there
fore were not felt ; while, Ilsould even a little &ger
ache of any relative at home, we were ready to melt
into tears of fentimenral forrow. The Learned Mem-
ber concluded by warmly ftipporting the motion.
Mr. GRAN l' thought it incumbent on him to re
move a common error, by which a confiderable (hare
of refponfibility for the recent proceedings in India
had been attached to the Court of Direaars. It was
a Ida, that the inftruCtions on which thofe proceed-
ings were founded had never been fubmitted to the
Court. The feheme on which Marquis Wellefley
had acted, was entirely his own, and-that of Mini.
tiers. Of that plan every confideration of poll( y—
every diaate of experience—led him to difapprove.
He had been tefident in India during the former
Mahratta war, and what he had then witnelfed was
fuch as to dill-wide every foher mind from rilking the
recurrence of fimilar calamities. It was that war
which laid the foundation of the enormous load of
debt which had been lince accumulated. The Hon.
Member highly approved of the intention of knding
out Marquis Cornwallis as Supreme Governor. He
had no doubt that the princip:es of his Government
would be loch as fhould accord with the object of the
motion, and he conceived that the molt beneficial ef
leas might refult Irons the rc-afiertion of thofe prin-
ciples by a folemn refolution of the Houle.
Mr. HUDLESTON, from an experience acquired
by a long refidence in India, and which every year
had fence confirmed, was decidedly against the fyl
tem of conquell that had of late been too much fol-
lowed. Like the Hcn. Member who (poke immedi•
ately before him, he attached no refponnbility what-
ever to the Directors. Though in the eye en the pub-
lic they were vetted with the affairs of India, they
had really no concern in its military adminitiration
and the Noble Lord muff have therefore made a mil
take in Rating the Treaty of Baflien to have been
approved by the Directors, as it had really been ne•
ver fubmitted to them. He was dilpofed to give
every credit to the Noble Marquis for his exertions ;1
but a Noble Lord had toppled that the Noble Mar-
quis
would have done Rill more, had he not met
with ohltacles from a certain quarter—thaz by this
quarter he did not mean Minillers, was evident from
his attributing thofe obstacles to contracted and rat-1
row view.. He mull inform the Hook, however,
that no paragraph or order was ever lent out to In-
dia without being fubmitted to the Commillionetso
and meeting with their approbation; he could not
Ice the julfice, therefore, of attributing obflacles to
any but fuch as were invested with the proper au-
thority. For his own part he was not, perhaps, poll
fared of a very comprehenfive mind, nor of thole ex-
tended views that had been alluded to, and therefore
it might be that he difapproved of the war, but he
was not conicious of ever having oppofed any ob.
liacle to the Noble Governor. This new war the Hon.
Member father obferved, had opened the minds of
many in regard to the affairs of ondia. The Moquis
Cornwallis had done effential service to the Company
in the clettruttion of Tippoo Sails, and for which the
country could not be sufficiently grateful. That
having been done, it was ft.ppoled that our wars in
India were happily brought to an end. In this, how-
ever, we had experienced a melancholy dilappoint.
ment ; and, from the meafures purfued since, there
was too much reafon to believe that the &tire of con-
quea had been formed into a fyllem, to which they
could fee no probable termination. The overthrow
of Tippon Saib, he had laid, was attended oith the
gteatett benefit, not becaufe lie was holtile to the ex-
igence of the My fore as a feparate power, but becaufe
Tippets was a dangerous neighbour. The Myfore in
other hands would have ferved as a barrier againft
the Mahrattas, and was in that refpect an object, the
exigence of which was dictated by policy, as it would
have faved us from thole contells in which we are
now likely to be engaged. The Honourable Mem-
ber then animadverted, in fcvere terms, on the man-
ner in which we treat the Native Powers, ohliging
them to receive gatrifints, and to fuoport them by
large fubfidies. Of the Mahratta Powers, Scindia
and Holkar were the firongett ; and as a proof that
Scindia laa war had no intention of involving htmfelf
in a war with us, he was wailing his Itrength againft
Holkar ; which he certainly would not have done had
his detigns been hoftile to us *had been rtprefented.
The prelent war could not Le maintained on the
ground of policy ; hot even la) jag that afide; it
was not lefs untenable in regard to jutlice, as nei.
ther Scindia nor Holkar, he thought, could be confi.
dered as bound by the Treaty of }When. The Mar-
quis himfelf avows that the object of that treaty was
to put Scindia and Holkar en the fame footing as the
Sutra's of the Decan, which was putting them com-
pletely in our power, to which they had no induce-
ment to agree on their part, as a proof of which the
Pelhwa himfelf was against the treaty, and war only,
at belt, forced into it. Laying aide, therefore, the
conilitutional quellion—whether the Pelhwa had a
right to make the treaty in behalf of the other powers,
the very circumstances of the treaty were loch as to
render it not binding. The war, therefore, could not
be attributed to the ambition of the Mahrattas, but to
their with to prevent our interference in their inter-
nal affairs. He had no doubt, however, of the ilTue,

'of the war, and hoped that the next difpatches would
bring account; of Lord Lake having gained confider-
able advantages. 4ut though we fhould prove ;tido.
rious, what permanent advantages did w, promife
ourfelves ? In refpea to revenue, we could calculate
on none ; for the more we increafed in revenue, the
lets, according to our prefent fyilem, was cur clear
income. The Hon. Mernla:r c•,nelucled by pointing
out, in a very forcible manner, the impoMbility of
k:eping long under Our d aninion Gi gte.st a portion
of the habitable globe ; while, at the lime time, the
greateli advantages might be derived born it were
the Government c •ndueed 0., tit p; i, ciples of a
f and rational col:cy ; of t;.i•• chip lit ran,
he was happy to Fee hat Minilers had given the
g,eatell proof, by tnidit.g 011:4 N .ble L•rd tsho was
10.0111 v efleemed and .t i• ed in tbe Eatt.—N, bet-
ter pledge could be pas, n ut ti•e I ttii.o) w,uld, of our
anxiety to proolate thrif i at) I !or fitat rea:On
fopported the run i n 'it the N ti
Sir THEOI'II 11.11:4 CCA fly,' of
the good policy rl,at diflated the • f
;lad the fslattrattaN bee.) :ye. t tall •)•••:er
• ne head, they would he molt .! neighs urs.
The Mahrattas had long er. e t.tine,t lie ~clign of
governing India, by de r i ,he it. Pa-, and by
di iviog out the Fatialilb, and S,i;sasa had
tt'e fame views (heir) and he did not blame him fr.r
it. It was cpti:e !Natural in his htuaticin, and we
lb ,uld do the fame (hear ! hear !) The worthy Ba-
rot.e: expreffed himfelf againft the motion.
Lord CASTLERE.IGH explained. The Trea-
ty of [Roo, he fiid, was the fame as that of 1798-9.
Colonel PR tNSEP conceived the fubjea to be of
the greate ft importance, and thomght the time of the
Holife by no means hid, that had been engaged in
this difcuflion. He was willing too that the flibjeFt
fhouid not he droi ped now that they were on it, till
they lhould know on what grounds they held their de-
pendencies in India. He was therefore in favour of
the original motion
Mr. R. THORNTON fupported the motion. lie
expreffed his approbation of the proptifed change in
the Government in India. In fending out Lard
Corawallts in lieu of LordWellefley, we were fullfli-
tutitl the olive branch for the fword, and this at a
time that fuch a fubtlitution was etTentially neceffary.
For if it was wifhed to render our power formidable
in India againtl the intrigues or Arms of Fiance, he
was quite perfunthd that could be only done by con-
ciliation. To profile filch a fy•lem, Lord Cornwal-
lis was peculiarly calculated, and therefore he re.
juiced in his aopointment. With refpeit to the me.
sits of the Noble Nlatquis whom he was going to Inc-
ceed, he was not difpofed to refill the comidiments
bellowed upon hi: charafler it) the coin fet.l tlic de-
bate. That the Noble Maty:is petr:ffeel great talents
and energy no one doubted. Hi. complaint, incited,
and that of moil men wit he knew, was, that the
Noble Marquis was too energetic, too .li:tile, too en-
rerprifing. The N• ble Lord had purftizd the war-
like fyfietn too far, and had thus created a dilcontent
and difpolition to refitlance among the native powers,
if which the French, or any power boll lie to us, conid
caftlY avail itself, if it could, obtain any Sooting in In-
dia. The conciliatory tyttern was therefore become
iodypenfable for our honour and lecurity. For it
c old not be denied that for lonic years back we were
become in India what the tyrant of Fiance was in
Etirore.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER,
hit confiderable w,rrnah, laid it was not necelTary
f r him to fay much, but after what had fallen from
fume Gentlemen, hq could not fa hill longer. It was
propofed to repeat a refolution of zo years old repeat-
ed al.teady in Ails of Pat liamenr. To thits,in one tenfe,
there could be no material obiztlion ; but the doubt
arofe as to conaration upon the principle and the ap-
plication, and bearings of it upon certain tranfattions.
If it were meant to lay, that jolt wear was not to ter-
minate with an allowance of tome further extent of
territory and fecurity, it would be an invitation of un-
jufl hoftility. Vet it mull have that lenfe, or what
became of that long hittorical catalogue and narra-
tive v. hich adorned the Hon. Gentleman's fpccch who
madethis motion ? This relblittion would certainly be
no great compliment to the Noble Marquis who is now
going out with lo much general approbation. The
fecond Mylore war was no more quettionable than the
firil ; but this refolution, dill inguiihing nothing, would
be a dire& cenfure upon Marquis Cornwallis. The
14°1101 indignation he felt at the idea of fuch a refo-
lotion was the fact of my Lord Wellcfley's returning
home, after the high and fplendid fervices he bad ten-
dered his country. There m;glit be fair ground for
difference of opitsion on Game poioi s of Indian policy;
but on the great leadiug features of the N.ble Mar.
quis's Adminiltration, there could exid no doubt on
ate MCI its of thole tranfat!lions, by which he had con-
f:rred inch benefits on his country, had teemed her
interefl, upheld her honour, and exalted Lcr glory.
He had dili‘elled a danger the molt fornnid2ble and
menacing, which he never could have done on the prin-
ciples of the H(:n. Gentlemen oppolite; and difpelled
it,during a war in which France wi tired, thy ugh India,
to Itrike a fatal blow againit 131 kith commerce and great-
lief.. The wisdom if the. Nuble Lord had been evinc-
ed in adi ping the highett, moil important, and fun-
damental policy of the Britith interelts in India : he
had procured, in the itfue of hit 'au iltiant campaigns,
indemnity and lecurity—he had gained a great extent
valuable fea-co,t ft, a matter of great confederation
with a view to preventing the defigns of the enemy.
He nit& objed mod decidedly to a motion which call
a flur upon thejtiltice, the magnanimity, and the good
lath of the Btitfh Go% einment. He need not dwell
on the lait Mahratta war, after whit had been laid by
his Noble Friend. He contended, that Lord Weller.
ley was fully jellified refpaling the treaty with thePefh-
wa. We ought not to permit either S!indiaor the Pet&
wa to poffefs the winle of the Mahratta power. The
Right Hon. Gentleman alluded to the attempt made
on Egypt, as conne6led with the defign of the et:emy
on the Eatt Indies, and timed, that he knew France
had Gill been looking to the Mahratta Itate as the
great inflrument to be employed againft us in India.
He was confident the Houle would not revive a ge-
neral meafure, which was either inapplicable, or elfe
contained a dire& and indircriminate cenfure upon the
proceedings in India for year, pall. In justice to Go-
vernment, to all the fervent, of Gi.vertatient. in India,
to the predecelfors of the Noble Marquis, and in re•
gard to the dignity and honour of Marquis Wellelley
himftlf, whore name would be handed down among
the benetaQors and ornaments of his country, he
fhould oppefe the motion. Tyra ever. lig