Star.
London, England, 1812-02-05 00:00:00

INSOLVENT DEBTORS.

Earl GREY prevented a Petition from certain Debtors con-
fined at Durham, rrayinisueli rt•lii f as the House should tktrn
meet, which was ordered to lie on the table.

1:10TS AT NOTTINGIIASI.
Lord HOLLAND, after briefly adverting to the
alarming riots and outrages which _have for some
time prevailed in this part Gf the country, which he
regarded in point of principle, extent, and mode of
proceeding, to be of an trlprecedentedly serious and
ialarmiaig natuie; expressed his wish to klow of the
Noble Lord cpposite, whether it were the intention
of his Majesty's thaisters to make any communica-
tion, or to lay any information before Parliament on
the subject, and to explain what steps had been taken
to put a stop, or 3upprels evils so alarniir.g in their
nature, and so extensive and increasing in their
progress.?
The Earrof LIVERPOOL, declared himself in.
dined to give evity proper and reasonable explana.
dun in his power upon the subject. It was impossi-
ble that his 141,jesty's Government could be 01,1-
wise than aware ot, and alive to the importance of
the sulject adverted to by the. Noble Bat-on. The
le.question which arose in his mind was, an to

the time prof er for making ,uch a communication.
An orlifitm was el t►rtained, that a s) stem i f tut) age
and disorchr v a% carry lug on in that qua: to it. a v. ty
. not only to aticct the character of the country, but
ut st desttuctive to the comforts, the interests, and
she means of subsistence of the 'unfortunate people,

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,Whounhapeily. were implicated in these transactions,
The subject. was attended with many difficulties,
mllieh arose couriderably more fr: m the system that
Lad been aJured, and from the character and form
it as4utrod, approximating to a system of insurrec-
tion, catrie.h pu in an open manner. All he could
sty upon the su' ject, as it respected the conduct of
his• Majesty's Coiernmtut, was, that whenever the
' question came to beetle-oared into, it would be found
that Government had neglected no means for rescuing
.Ik.tountry from the disgrace, or for putting a stop
to evils of so alarming a nature. They had sent
down some (the most intelligent Magistrates of Lan-
- 'do u, to the scum. of the. disorders, iurnislwd with
means fir the purpose of putting. a stop to•their pro.
press, and they knew that benencial. effects had al-
ready vestated.hom the steps which were taken, and
whe::ever it should he necessary to call upon Parlia-
ment for its interference, evety inforination should be
Tegulatly given. • ,

Lord HOLLAND conceived it to be the clear
.duty of his Majesty's Ministers to lay before Parlia-
:rent every inforthation in its power, respecting those
disgracefuL scenes which had gone on for menths.—
Within the last three weeks, if he was not misinform-
ed, the d:stn tiers had assumed,a more formidable
shape. He was decided:y of opinion, that many days
longer should not be suffered to elapse without the.
sense of Parliament being taken on the subject. He
thought it proper to say thus much, becuuse he should'
not regard it as quite set mly, to bringifcrward any
proposition on the subject, without first enquiring Of
MI/riders what they intended to do in that respect ?
The Earl of LIVERPOOL in reply said, that the
Nc.ble L'aron did not seem to conceive rightly what
he had said. What he meant to state was, that mea- I
sures were in the c Intemplation of his Majesty's
Go-
Nernr which it was proposed to submit to the
consideration of Parliament. Some specific provi-
'vision against the recurrence of such outrages would
Le provided.
Lord HOLLAND briefly replied, that after so 1
navy months had elapsed, Ministers should not be
allowed to c.mtemplate much hiager-4a
He thought they were highly censurable for not hay-
in taken up the subject sooner.
I'he Earl of LAUDERDAtE consislered the
conduct of Ministers as blameable ou the occasion,—
' What they bad done was to send down a mission of
a few l'olke Magis.eates, furnished with what means
he did rot know: Parliament, therefore, should be
applied to for some other means. In a case of so
much momentous importance, it was thre duty of
.Parliament nat to support such measures as the No-
ble Seeretary of State may thick fit to proprse, but
'seriously to investigate an.i inquire into the causes
which led. to such disgraceful and d.sastrorts scenes.
.He believed these causes would be frond to originate
in the conduct of tl c present Ministers, seliich bad
broetlit the commerce of the country to so low a
pitch, and operated so disastrously towarJs the ma-
neflctuting. interests. These he believed to be the
leading causes of the present unhappy state of 'the
Coontry, aml he thought the subject loudly called for
Par:lanr.utary investigation. He trus:ed his Noble
Fi'ierid, or sonic other Peer who felt es.th him, would
come forward and move for a Committee, to enquire
into the tauten if the present situation of an impor-
tart part of the Country.
ROYAL IIatIsEIIOLD RILL.

On the Order of tue Day for the second reading
cf. th:s Bill iv Ing moved,
Earl LIVERPOOL said, he understood it would '
tratrer if convenience to many Noble Lords
sw•hp were no: dis.p:.sci: oppose the second readng
of the bid, that the .!;,,tis4ion of its merits may be
deferred to si.nie subsegnent stage. He was however
teady now to state the general grounds and princi-
pi-s upon which the measure proceeded, wire any
Noble Lc rd tletirotts of it, but it that were not the
ease, he-should on the prestnt occasion cement him-
, sell iv;tlt moving, that t,:e. Bill be now read a second
.tinie.—The.Pill was accordingly read a second rim( ;
aad together with the Houschtild Officers Dili (w-hick
went the•ugh a similar sw.ge forthwith), committed
for ThtirAhty.
The House then adjcurned (pro forx:.7) until to-
morrow, preparatory to their lordships attending
divine scryire in Wettminstcr Abbey; hut, for
.Use
of business, until ThttruLay.

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nousz OP commons. tof the Irish Government, which, be lasi nt ainei4 had j unjustly attacked. Witlsont resuming to
przt-en 11
lobeThiberety Usher of the asek Red steamotie4 the Mose to 'pursued legitimate injects by legitimate means. Nci 1 mtich legal knowledge as the Hononiable told Le
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couldthinkthis decision final indeed, if it was 'toed Gentleman who bad last night voice*, he Jodi,
l's*** a Peers' to hear tie Royal Anent aill" by Cendisis: one
sion to several Public Bills, for which see the Lords. to be finals his Lordship should have his vote. The red himself satisfied with the unanimoes enee
Mr.FREEMANELE postponed his motion for Itiquiryitito the r net 4
tipendistrre lithe Civil List. . qiiestion was, whether, after the proceedings of last the Judges of the Court of King's Beach in Irels:tti
'rhe Regency Expences bill was read a third timeandpassed. year, sanctioned by that House, and the silence of on the construction of the Co! vention rue if the
Mr:RYDER moved for the revivedof the Contmittee on Pe- the Honouralsle Crehellitflail opposite, after the trials' country was not content with that opinion, he hoped
nifertlary HOUMA. 'of Dr. Sheridan and Mr. Kirwan, and after the de-', to Goo, with the Honourable and laraineti Conk.
Abe r some di,cus.ion between Mr. P rear., Sir S. Remit T.T.
and Mr. LONG. the motion was Wi!hdraven, with aft understane claretinn of the Judges of the Court of King's Bench, 1. man who had just speken, that the case Vcald COl2l
dirg that it should be renewed on Friday next. the Irish Government had or Lail not acted in c. n- ;to the &rake rewri of adjudicati..n. There was joss
A message tram the Lords stated their Lordships' agreement formity 'with the law ? He adverted to the obsova- i one other epee°, to consider, that of thee. lie
'to the two Exchequer Bills Bills and the Divtiai.ry Bit
Mr. CROK.ER brought in a Bid to protein the Embezzle. bons which had been made on the conduct of the I could hardly conceive a ay. :se time to a conctujel
than the :ellen
Lord Chief Justice of the KingPs Bench in Ireland, . such as that proposed t r . t. or thi, the'''
Mow of Naval titores in Ireland. 1; was read a &rtt time, aid
eaoerrel for aSt CJ•td reading on Thorstlay next. whom he declared to be Its venerable an individual, • rate of Ireland was sufficient evidence. Therecugs
I Mr. WHI I MEAD postponed his ferniest, respecting 'Anse- and tf as high end uniMpeached a character as the 1, of the Catholics themselves, man Wested in the
rica, from Thurst'ay to 'I iturs.lay set :night.
1 Sir T. BAK INC; wished to know wise her Minh:tent had re- ...,. .
highest of those Who hid dared to arraign him.- I ponement of their Petition to Pailiasneno was erit.ad.
ce:ved any information concerning the buildins,i at Mary-la-bonnet% WI iespect to the Attorney and Solicitor-General ; ditional pr. of of the fact. To their authority hw
ll'aik, mid whether they were conducted in conferraty with the of Ireland, even the most factious' wrirersOotel net ! bowed, and he A-cull say, In concurrence with same,
plan arra% :ed. dared to impeach the purity of their principles; but ' that the prrs-nt time was most via,.
I The CHANCrLI.OR of the EXCHEQUER said that the they certainty had net been treated in that House Mr. PARNELL supported the motive at
works were going en actor ding to the plan, but he had DO iLliOt• • which was their slue. In particular, , length. He co.'LI not sapeost- that the catursaun If
Intation to lay In fare l'ot Hann nt on the subject. with the respect wh
The seeord reading of the Ogees Reversion Bill was postponed of the character and talents of Mr. Boshe, every Irish. 1 the Catholics was very much attended to in that
to Friday next. man was justly proud, and he ( Mr. Fitzgerald) would : House—having sten, as he had, that every nvoio.4
STATE DIP 31ILLAND.—ADJOURNE1 DIISATA. not bear any imputation upon that Gentleman, with.; the object of which was to anielimate their crud,
The Order of the Day being read for resuming the out bearing his testimony to its falsehood. Ile con- 1 tton, was not attended tn. It het beta At inhere.
,Adjourned Debate on the State of Ireland, tended, that the Convention in Dublin was illegal, rof the Cali lies that their Petition should he bores
Sir .!OHN NEWPORT apologised to ..h.. House, aria might become dangerous. It might tend to the I the House at the trasent moment; and why was,;
tfor trespassing upon their attention at th it early pe- d'ssolut on of that Union, of which he would say, not there ? Because the Geverament had thetirbes let
la 'd ; a tree pays which lie certainly sh tett. et have that although there were sonic herriureble men who 'to &pose the Committee assen.bled for the p -f,;,,„
!committed but that Ile was prevented by ill health opposed it, and some honourable men who lamented of preparing it, before the obje:ts of the C.itia Le'
;ions delaying any longer. He should net even have that it had ever taken place, yet that there were very had been complied with ; that was glee season cede,.
come down to the House °n ate present occasion, if few wi,e men, in his opinion, who would propose its being no Fetid( n' before them. The Nonce/etas
he did not find it necessary to defent his conduct repeal. It had been urg€4, that Lord Fingal was Gendeman then contended, that the Catholic Como
against tome clorgi s brought against him in his not a man who would countenance any thing which mittees acre legal asserublies, and observed, they,
absence. He lad said, and vstod still maintain, lie thought dangerous to the States Of this truth he hid seltionobeard such extravageut and preposterous
that a proclamat ion was not law ;it was oily estate-was firmly persuaded ; but a reference to all history , observations as were contained in the speech of the
, ment of what the icit- was, and if it did not state it would skew that the.honeurable men in whom revo- Right Honoorable Secretary (.Mr. Vol:), so lido
!truly, the people were at liberty to dispute its autho- lotions ot every kind originated, had seldom been en-; borne cut by facts. Tne Pei ion that was oleo,' to
irity. ' He had always held up to the Roman Catho- abied to preserve their legitimate influence dining be prepared for the Legit,' etu-e, was a fit one to a.
'lics,tliatbody with:llll'e considered so greatlyaggi ieved, their progress. The horrors . f the notch Revolts- t lin the desired object—and the Catholics had met
Ithat it was in that House they were to seek 'redress, non were produced by the et ring s irtues cf men who in no stay illegally in the line o' conduct which they
as d never sli. uld he be induced to torn thera away 1r CI in the first instance lent themselves to the plans of had pursued %slab a view to prepare it. Tee cue,.
eatimes. There were agitators in I,rmer dates, who refot mere, and who were subsequently unable to iic3 had been accused ef a wilful violation cif die laa,
I had Jame so ; ant!, he Was wiry to sd !, that in more stem the torrent in which tl..ey hid unexpectedly but such he maintained had not, bzen dr: tests-.
!recent lost tnces, the Government itself had Become f..und themselves involved. tie violence shewn by and he thought that the Irish Attorney Giorre
1 -iglettore and again attempssd to turn them away. the Catholics, both in their conduct and in their writ- , was not justified in stating in the- Cow tof Knig's
IHe submitted to the House what an effect must logs, had been such as even to alarm muse who had Bench that the designs of the Catholics were treason-
lbe produced by bud, centinct towards so large pledged themselves to the support of their claims.— able, rebellious, anti revoltuinnary—that the Cede,
la portion ..f the population ot that Kingdom. He should give the motion his decided negative. lie Committee was a specie,' ot the e Council of Five
—lt was always his endeavour to keep their eye Sir J. SI:BRIGHT, wittle he professed himself a Hundred"—that it formed the three estates of the
as much as possible on that House, and that upon a friend to Catholic emancipation under such'condi. realm—that it was a" National Convention!" Who
I plain principle, that though their claims might be re- tiens as those who were much better Judges of the grounds had he for making such charges? The pro,
fused in one instance, yet as bodes grew wiser every subject than himself, might deem it-necessary to ins- mulgation of such fulminations could not tend to
dia., and the most rooted opinion. were liable to pose, was firmly persuaded, that bed the Irish Go- conciliate the Catholics of Ireland. He a of
change in time, that one instance should not be con- vertunent acted in any other way than thin in which the motion, thinking that it was ini • y iamb.
,sidered as filial A Bizet Hem. Gentleman. bad they hid done, they would have been guilty of a beet on that House to inquire by Commiuceiato tee
asked on a former night, why he did not attend the gross dereliction of duty. The statement made last S:ate e 1 Ireland. -
Privy Council in Ireland ? The reason was, that be night by the Right Hon. Gen•leman opposite (Mr. Lord CA STLE RE AGH rose and highly silo '
j was so far reir• sad from Dublio as not to receive Pole), had satisfied him that the eondtve oldie hid) gised the temp: r and rind :ration sheen in Iris %each
the sunirac.:s in Ome ; if he :aad received it, he would Government had been remarkably to:operate and by the Noble Lord who int:to!tv'ed the tsunami fie
have gone and protested against the mischievous in- forbearing. That of the Catholics, on the totarm y, a Committee on the State o: !grand. But thectoh
san;t3 of their proceedings. As to the ep'nions of • seemed to him to have been very repreheasible. They he admired the general tenor .1 his arguments, a 4
:he Judges, w:Oeli --a ere cited in defence of Govern- i had assumed a high tone, and a menacing posture, in a good deal acquiesced in the sentiments es-frost-A
mcnt, there's es!! ,uch things as contradictions to the ' very ill befitting them, and had organised a system yet he held the measure propOsed as one caleulated.
decisions t.l intosior court', by the denier resort; ' which, in his opinion, was replete with danger to the mere to perplex than to benefit the general euezein
and z... • ~.- ':nee! of the Law Officers, there were two 'community. He felt himself, however, fully prepared to assert,
contrary opillools pi the Attorney-Ceneral on the i Mr. C. WYNNE could not conceive how it was th it the measure of Catchall.: union with their Prato
table of the Houoo which did not afford a very fa- ! possible that any man who agreed in the main fact, cant brethren, wits one to which the future &atom*
vourable specimen of their accuracy. He deprecated that the state of Ireland was such as to require the ottight to look, and without the fa iluteat of sleep
the praetitOi of selecting detached paragraphs 3P consideration of Parliament, could resist the motion all the advantages of the bite maim& of the Kier
proofs of the tendency of works, and thought it re- of his,Noble Friend, to whatever cause be might km- doors would not be teaped—( near, heir, he/m.)114
ther too much to expect that those who suffered under : putt the existence of that state. He entered into a however, he tdeensed not to be the lit time kV Fest
injuries should possess all the temper and suavity of detail of the proceedings of the Irish Government,' sing such 4 des;raloe measere, and with thentisirro
men who were fattening in office. He then !elated a I which, in his opinion, were highly culpable, and par- sitar of that, lie would proceed to state his eyeld
case of a Catholic widow, who died in Waterford, titularly condemned as insulting the use of the word ings and opinions on the subject, under its exittisi
and bequeath-d a great part of her property to the , " condescension" in the communication from the appearance. For his own part, though he left de
poor of that City, without any distinction of religion, • Lord Lieutenant to Lord Fingal. Adverting to the importance, and, under peculiar circumstances, tia •
but whose good intentions in that respect were de- conviction of Mr. Kirwan, he observed that he mould utility of the meesine, he had never felt it his dew
feared by the Commissioners of Bequests, by whose not arraign the conduct of the Judges, but it was to press it upon the consideration of that House. Ha
authority the will was set aside. On ' looking to the , possible that the case might be differently decided opinions all along, whelt the Nolie Lord seemed
statute law far an interpretation of the Convention by that higher tribuael, before which be believed and not to participate with hem, were, that such a wee
Act, he found nothing like a law to prevent meetings hoped to Goo it would be brought. The construe. stue, when unseason..bly proposed, tended to irjute
for the --oe of le- - •-7 Ihe fi id '-steed the if the Conf-- . A, 'mot fa" 'J. It ed i- mde it's success throughout the sa.untry. No

ee purpose of peiitioning ; _ emit( indeea le bon et to eonfention Act was ntbst forcee_ ... i and imp _gee__
word prete.tce, but that word was to be taken in its might be applied with equal justice to every one vho I thing appeared more apt to mislead ani deceive de
common ecceptation. He deprecated strongly the heard him, and who had been appointed as a lecke public mind than those menaced annual petitiArs
idea of (hiving the Catholics to petition by general ' gate, to consider the propriety of making a road or a and the discussions which woulr necessarily foliar
assemblies, not by delegation, and concluded with canal. The sentiments of the people of this country 1 upon their being presented to Parliament. let
exhorting the House to exercise its wisdom and teem- • were very much changed on the subject. He ap- Gentlemen, if they would continue their applicatien
per on this great, momentous and important subject.' pealed ea all who mixed in society, whether it was on that subject, prepare a properly arrAnzid plm
. Mr. CHARLES ADAMS.theueht the gee:nod not the general opinion that attention ought to be of what their aims were, and not leave it aiefte
might be divided into two parts; the one political,' paid to the claims of the Catholics, under certain se- find, and only to be gathered (rem the lose siij-
the ether religions. With respect to the political , cutities, the nature of which would be the pr, per I gestions in their speeches. If they should do so, 111
part, it had been stated, that in case of passing of the subject of consideration in the Committee, for which' felt assured that PailiAment woutd speedily diem
measure, one half of the Members might be Roman •he should feel it his bouuslen duty to vote their plan upon its met its But the Catholic cilia.
Catholics ; but though it NV.IS possible the proportion I Mr. MANNERS SUT e'ON opposed the motion, hid ',ever been laid before Parliament in their um'
I might be still greater, he apprehended that it was as far from calculated to tranquillize the existing ' ral form. Partial statements had been given. Liam
1 the greatest injustice to give any immunities to them . agitation in Ireland. He strongly reprob lied- the ' total and comprehensive plan bad ever been subal*
; without an intention ausonie future perio.i to give all. : observation made last night' by a Learned Gentle- tad. Goo tot bid that ever the Catholics seutile jeest
• Oa the religious part of
;the subject he thought the ' man (Sir Arthur Pigott), that it was some console- - their cause bey( ud the proper bounds al.ich ici•
1 Roman Catholic doctrines were inadmissible : but lx I lion, under the afflicting circumstances in which his timing eatjects were required to keep; and iths'•
I. was happy to say, that though he had come down to Majesty was placed, that at least a bar had been re- evn the tad:v.:tie issue at theer claims naielit Is:, tbet
the lions strongly prepossessed against the conduct I moved to the coesideration of the interests of Ireland, should pm crate their minds for qeietness and sela"i''.
of the Right Hon. Gentknoin (Mr. W. Pole), his thereby clearly implying that the interests of Irele:md s on. A!, Heneerable Gentleman had enell if las
opinion was entirely almcied in teat respect, and he -,had not been attended to by his Majesty, than v. hick t' gather as much from his speech, as, that in eels.
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agreed th the had only done his duty. He compli- more unfounded staten.eut could not well have ken sung SCS%;O3 a motion, comprehendii g the w 114141
' mented the cl trience of Mr. Canning on the pre- made, as must be manifest to ail who reci Ileczed Low the CathOlic claims, would be Ltd before Perham/1
; ceding right, though he could not agree in many of many privileges had been granted to the Caliolics cf He agreed with that measure, ineernuch MI at A
i the sentiments; it sees— j that country during the present reign. In refusing Tire the Voyernment a general view of tin
" s.itb eloquentie—parnm yarleniz." ' . to'accede, at the present moment, to the claims of the and planted out to them what meassites were 00
Satisfied as he is with the detract! which was male Catholics, he distinctlyalisclaimee what had been Ascii- necessary to le; followed. Three cl ism of opissioss
for the Irish Government, he should vote against the bed to other Hon,Gentlemen who were of his npil eon, : stood relieved fom the genet al mass of areamil*
i motion. i imputing to them that they were traitors to their kng employed on the preFent fiCi-Asi in. The advocatesn
1 Mr. \V. FITZGER.i. I.D said, that the vote which : and an . riles to their country. Nor did he impute to the the first class cumended that Government
gr*lli,
.he should give against the motion of the Noble Lords' Catholics, as their advocates had so it judiciously done, ante to ...!:e Ca:C.lllc claims purely as a qeeetice •
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i was not wounded on the arguments urged against it ,
• that they were disposed to wrest that by force which rig: f. 'The n aext, Of hich lie confessed binit tee- la
.by the Gentlemen who had already delivered their • they could not obtain by persuasion. He stand the a disciple, proposed to make concessior.sse far as 121,
sentiments. At the same time he agreed fully, that question to be, in his opinion, one t f expediency ra- proper cor.deetely with the genteel safety ti, r,
' during the pending of judicial proceedings, they , thee than of right—of justice to the Catholics on the Church surd Sue: ; and lastly appeared the clas "
. should not ge into a Committee.' An Honourable and one side, and of security to the establishir.ems of those w lie, ta iteeitt any contbirezd views on the.
Learned Gentleman who spoke lest night, had decla. Church and State on the other. He cou'd not agree ject, wished it all to be lett for a Committee.
. red, that the present was a favourable opportunity : to grant the Catholics their full claims tt ithotit any , upon. Cf ale Gentlemen who conteeded en thus
i for co doing; hom that judgment he differed. His :amity, and without giving any pledge on the sub- . perative right of conceding the Catholic claims. Iv
epieions were now, as formerly, favourable to the ice:, be would just remark, that no security had been . wes son yto say they bad shown tin inelination tete/ :
Catholic claims, which he thought must at sometime yet pointed out as the prop( r one. It was perhaps ' s ich a ptillti of ela'ne to a legal issue ; huttlfel hai
!be acceded, but never without sufficient securities.— . imagined that some provision of that nature might ! deterninal to carry it to the Representetiee unbar.
It had been stated in another place, that we should be elicited by the collision of opinions in a Commit- , where die Catholics might well know they coe/sllO2
surrender at discretion ; Lut to such language het tee i but as heconceivtd such an opinion was calcu- ! ferce a claim not considered necessary against a rive
must object, as unbecoming, whether used by an ad-, latest to agitate rather than to tranquillize, he mutt t:staist bo ty. Of that they might h ive helm ft
vocate of the Catholics or not. He thought he might oppose it. He must also oppose the motion for a aware, and should have rerained from orililji
be justified is opposing the motion from the manner . Committee, as that motion V.-1S connected with a • present measure. an the Catholic riodY aPP`
in which it was supported. With respect to the Right . vieur`ot the conduct of the Gevarnment in Ireland: never to have been consulted on the preseuime4oo6
I Honourable kironet's arguments against shutting for he believed that a Government mere moderate, I no ratio:tat plan had been arranged, but he
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• 1 the doors 'upon the Catholics, no one could deny that and, with some peculiar exceptipm, mere generally I dereteod Gentlemen to mean, from their ifm'
Ihe was. tight, and he might have spared himself the acceptable, had never exie:ed in that country. He ' that no regulation of the Catholics, as a "I.lrimee
trouble of dwelling so long pixies what no one would defeneledthe conduct ot a Noble and nee:eyelet:on of /i dy, was at all in.contemplation ; but, in his nrigue
have eoutradleisd. He then entered iaiia a *foam his (Lard Clime. llor Manners) which bad beta so any political ouceesitin would be unsafe With* ii

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neetele Goldman (Mr. Grattan) should- Lan onmh forwarA with some specific.. pith ;
MO there his motion in the preceding Ses. but 'the Noble Liter must himself hive had such a
hoehohohheree him to have said, that without •plan in his mind at ihr cline 'of tile •;Union ;if he.
ittO went in religious matters, the grant of the hed it not in his contemplation at that time he must
gettring( id he ueless. He understood the Irish have grhssly deceived the Cathilics. • But he could
h maintained that no alteration could be net suspect the Noble Lord of haying so much
bout" consent of the Pope, and that they treachery rankling in his bosom, is to deceive the
to aseept into their own berths the right of people by false hopes, lteit having no specific plan
eheess. or to take them even from his own in view he held out to them a pledgee f future con-
hrhee he this under capthtity ; as they would cession. But the Catholics themselves, it seems,
eehe coesheing from constraint. With such should come prepared with some arrangement. The
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the. questinie he thought it Catle lies had not the power. What arrangement
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eehosehe• to tescuss e. He ished to could they make or frame wheh they had no censti-
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eekl e nereish Cliurth cemented with the mlt ee' power to nuet ? Their meetings were deemed
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eeest, an union which we had witnessed in other en the one side to be illegal, on.the other to be legal.
eduoive of most happy and triumphant Then the Ven, and the cowl mil over the nom'nation
.ri:ts't
heee, a measure fritutlit sehh such general of the Bishops, could not be obtained. '['hen, again,
hepte might be adopted in preftnence tee lit was said, that the minds of the Cethofics were not
cur are e umnt by the Honourable-. prepared 'for concession ; but he would ask the
:aeos thrown
of giving po gym, litical freedom, anti allowing Noble I ord, if at the period of the Union; - the
we t ene al its foreign dependencies Veto might not have been obtained ? and u hether or
..y
teh elm the benevolent enhonchisement bestowed not the procrastination and delays which 11.1 d eince
';;,le. The Statesman, he cenfesed, would re- followed tivete not the true causes ot that irritation
'.he he a bold one who chuld propose such a which was now, as contended, the chief reason for
fhrr-t, es allowing 0. kg ilised body of C Itholics to not acceding to their claim',? The Right Hon. Se-
se h kine ; when Government found it ex- cretary of Stine for Ireland wished to have the
hem mukh conce.sihis to the laity, the whole different Speakers in that House marehalled accord- I
Drht hew ineffectaal unless they capitulated with ing to his order ; but he thought the House had
hCierhY, who held these men's minds in obedience. reason to complain, that the pet-son with whem lie Iwhen to that he did not look forward with strong carried on his cnrrespoidence, the Secretary of State
tie; the present moment was most decidedly in- for the ionic Department, had not suggestei some ,
ophoh ; nor did even think that the Catholic Honourable of concession to the Catholics. -That Right
fur acre e nertle a however h
glad ate reeve: sufficient prep:thrum h• m. n, , . c supposed, was
dupe MCASUIC. He le-recto/et' an insuperable dit- so much occupied with his arrangements t the
flaky to be surmenmed in the pore notestant peace of the metropolis and the improvement of the
e legislative
-,a, and theislative restrictions of the coup-
cou- nightly watch, that he could not give his :meth ion
!When hgh in cake formerly-with Mr. Pitt, to this minor subject. The Irish Chancellor of the
h (Lied Cestitecaeli) steed hetween the Catholics Exchequer had said, that until the Irish Catholics
hehr determination of petaii fling his Majesty, should' give up their prejudices, it would not be Ro-
he krohing the hfonerch would rehire a negative, per to grant their claims. What profound ignorance
he percemel nothing in the Coronati in Oath of human nature I What must be ths feelings of the
tt repent his Ma; at; firm legislating on the mea- Catholics, when they refl-cted upon what had passed
re-(Nrar, hear)—providing it had not been aepa- in that House no Liter than yesterday, when a gal.
halt hazardieg thehsubeeision u h the rights of the Lint soldier atteaded in his place tier the purpose of
pis to consent to it. For his ievn part, he was receiving the highest gratification that could be be-
who. always to put benevelent constructions on stowed upon man—the Thanks of the Representae
htesatings and proceeditegh of men, but he could tives of the People ? If it so happened that a Catho-
estreftsitetrom tsking notice of the totil want of tic Nobleman, having sons, had been present, hear-
reereeeohboat the whole of the Cathot c proceed-, ing these deb ties, when the Right Honourable and
Gentlemen had, expended much kerning to Learned Gentleman (Sir John Nicholl) had got np
I:souther the law did not touch conventicles, but and declared, that the Bar and the Army weie open
if it silmied such meetings to pass as those against to them, he would say to himself, my sons may be.
vbidi it:had-recently been employed, he would come Lieutenant-Colonels in the Irish Army, but
sittbae Honourable Gentlemen ler what purpose they :cannot become Generalsh-they may deserve
en the Convention Act framed. -If they did not these honours, but to receive them they never can.—
Diem to iteach men meeting for the purposes of Could the House wonder,- then, that their feelings
,nation, whom would they wish to attach ? were exasperated when their claims were so repea-
-tad did the Gentlemen also say, -that Govern- ! tedly rejected ?• He would-ask,. what had been the
heathrchld have been hile seated amidst Com- consequence? 'lt drew numbers from the British
tithes and •Meetings if the abohe description army to fill up the brigades of other nations. In all
'ugh he firnalh believed the people of Ireland the great battles of former days the gallaht It ash were
wept at all iefected with thht accursed dcctrine found brigaded against us. In 1793, when the last
vilich once overflowed upon theih shores from titheiss ceocessions were granted to them, could it be possi-
ital France, and that while they contemplated the ble fer the men of that day not to h eve had it in con-
Item-Aim of::a'phtition to Parliament, they allowed • temptation to go further ? He could not but do jus-
sot their miads•to be ear ried•aside by .any other con- tice to the most brilliant speech of the Right Ho-
keratin, yet he contemplated them as persons who noerable Gentleman opposite, last night, who, whilst
lad delegated men to sit m the metropehs of le:debt:l leboured, and successfully, to convince others,
hammier to influence Governinent to accept more• could not obtain from himself his own vote. The
peidtrof their claims ; sitting too, in The face of the , Hon. Gentlemen then proceeded to pass high en-
fant*, to-make their repulieve Conduct more whin: ..chi/rims Upon Henry the Fourth, who, surrounded
seicioustotheie came; bringing themselves into 'legal • by. Protestant Ministers, and beloved' y a Protestant
dilcidtieiwialethe laws f their country ; but even people, had no apprehension whatever for the seen-
all thatifindoed him not front asserting the general, tity of a Catholic. He next panegyrised the telerant
matinees oftheif cause. It was hurtful to the law to " spirit of the Swiss and Americans; and concluded
itosechtesucica man as Lord Finehal, whose virtu- by stating his intention to give his m :st decided sup-
em-and .exteht.nt oharacttr had-- lived through bad port to the motion.
new; end even a Jury would hesitate, and 'give a: Mr. Secretary RYDER considered that it would ,
decision with reluethece against him.—(Hear, /:ear.' i have amounted to a criminal violation of the trust'
h.Tie Government of his Geace of Richmond Inielh reposed in the Government, if they had neglected to
ken highly erlised.by the Catholics themselves fcht take measures for preventing the meetings, and to
rhohhatiete t and lent they kept within the limits of [enforce the provisions of the. Convention Act. The'
!ith ativehonnties- they Might have continued to Right lion. Secretary thererecapitaited the stete-
trathe petitions unmolested, and even furthered by mem made by the Right Hon. Gentleman (hir.Pok)
theteverateent No man-a:he ever dispassionately • withhespect to the measures pursued on that occit-,
examined intohhe Cathi•liz restrictions could conthin I sion. Did the Hon. Gentleman mean te contend that
blaa film asserting them to be highly painful I ; Government were to have waited until the rhject of
and initatintto the feelings rf the persons against the' meetings was complete before they decided on
w'ila they were ftamed;• but he foresaw a time putting the statute in force ? The construction which
co when the interests of Catholics and Protestants' had been put on the Act was the legal one. The
could be rented and mutual, and the Les isietuhhh claims of' the Catholics were not recognised by the
thsidine Over the whole realm, would hold the scales'country at large—there was a general and prevalent
of justice in equal b dance between them. ! disposition ageint them, which had been increased in
Mr. WHITBREAD said, that he was anxittut : consequence of their late proceedings, and he was tot
mho detain the House, at the same time that lie preened to admit that mischief would not arise from
hititnecessaly to deliver his sentiments upon this these frequent discussions.
thportantquestion. The Noble Lord, who hffeCted The ATTORNEY-GENERAL vindicated, .at
t°llhow some hew lights upon' the subject, had 'cert. much length, the conduct of the Law Officers and
ithihuhted his full proportien to the intelligi- thedudees of the Irish Bench in giving the opinion
'4l as the tercussion. the himself, Le wished to which :hey had &livered— that time meeting of the
Ole to the House the broad and extended principle ; Catholic Delegates was a violation of the Convention
tPhaehhichehe Noble Lord and his kight Honour- Act. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman en.
2'l'F'icad alwaie considered ahe claims of the CA. tweed into an able exposition of that Act, and prey
thtote.wheneverh the.
,y come to be discussed Were; thet ed, that whatever. miht have been the . intention. of.
The hohte Lord had stated tit it the claims the CathoFcs forming these ;:sannblies, whether
c{pie Cattwnii
cs'l►.tef been injured be the diSc;:,jons simply and sincerely kr the purpose of petitioning,
l'ith•had alreatly 4:Ie.:II:late, and by the nine ions or Liar the furtherance of seine other purposes, those
'Ateti by these who advocated titeir chuse., assenthlits (the Attorney-General said) constituted as
vlutwas the coueluet •of• the N,•ble Lord when Mr. ! they were, had rightly been consideredinfractions of
I,4ttesienea his office, bt•eituse ceuei accome, the law. Much :Ilse had been sti.l in disapprobation
:rsh the eldest' 1 •
„ • •lc c epos .t • was hot because the ,of the warrant issued by the Lord Chief Justice of
' ihale-et was indisposed to entertain the discussion; • Ireland, and of the charge delivered. by that respect-
-4al CO, because the people' were averse to it, but able Judge to the Jury.--[Here the Attorney-Gene-
''.thern.
lisethe.Kllig, in his conscieuce, could he , t accede ral read several passages from !h. At charge, to shew
iss.cause Mr. Pitt would not stand be- I that there was nothing in ithosthe to the general dm-
Crown and the peolde; r ssh• d 1 ratter and intentions of the Catholic body; and that
and the King took heto his Councils these' therefore the censure cast upon it was entirely desti-
%Odd take upon theist to .oppose the conceS-1 tut) of foundation.]—But• why canvass, much less
'IL Upon !be htlestion of the 'Chien, the secede! censure, the Judges, in that House ? Those Judges
Lordk
Mott sire wee important, becausehe was.] had acted upon a swain responsibility. That House
‘
.ho drected that • MeASnre aita the I was not the proper and competent tribunal I•efore
hdhe h: Id had sail that 'Were was nohspecific ! which .to arraign their Opinions and 'decisiiits ; and
out to the Ca.:brake at that period. No, 1 it, in these opinihns and decisions, there was any thing
h. not; but there was an trehleiseareding.that: teprehensibie, there was another and a more proper
'!nil' rah s would be urged with all the atithorhy place where their conduct might be
competently
tof Mr. Pao the Nohht Lettt, thew Secte- •etatcd; and their decisions, rectified, if they sheuel
rhohhthe for Ireland; and thh Merhuis Cr rni albs. ah pear 0) have been enottenns.
Nehle Lord contended, that it.was im: i Mr. FONSON BY animadverted with much seve.
au: conceded. Without city on the speeches of Mr. W. Pole, Mi. Canning,
ehe • •.• t
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11,757 nme such pledge en the part of the end Lord Cotter eagl!. Mr. 1 o.e seemed to forget,
h.,!! wind letehe been utterly impoisible fur the throughout the of his speech, that the real
List to thtve• effected that measure. He qeeetion before
'''ft-th ha the House woo the perilous Situation
ve is it if the Catholic body :of Ireland ; and seemed only to suppose, like the
gri.hetaltethe
t , that nt cooese its being Parish Clerk in. Pope, that the sole business to be. at
4.4141.1 Chin" seated 4:e' art:nide." to. Bat the tended to wits the vindication of his, own. conduct,
."‘t the advheetes of the Catholics • at. d the assertion hilts own digheityh The iLght Hot!.

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(Mr. Ce using) had. argued one *mean .teen circumsteiees 'melt be attended to by awl' Se
voted the rondo He contended, that in ecnitequence CrOvernments and Legislatures, vii, stkurity ageing - at-
of tile motion; of which an Hon. Friend of his (Mr. foreitet influence, and security pitinst the danger to
Hatchinhirls) had green notice, for the repeal of the hi el our ~.sett est slifichmeees %venni broecrovech -7
Unien,, it was impossible now to entertaie the pethi Even the NOble Lard so of:en alluded to frera Grew»
tion ofthe Irish Catholics ; so that, if the motion for vale) lead exivessie declared in his Letter to Lora
the repeal 01 the Union were deferred from day to Fineetl, t'i.it tile veto, or something equiv.:lent to it,
day, and net hreught forward at any p riod of the ava: a his epieinn en indispensiiile prftursor A the
Session ; neither coull the Catholic Pe i• h n be dis- abotition.of the existing disabilities. The clasp setca
cussed, nor any atteatibn paid to the cliints of diet tone of the Cathel cs ais a:tether itoirg le icon tOr
highly respectable body. There were, it was tree, retteing at present to accede to their dem 'nes. Ois
thine. who would greet nn cot-hese:len at ail, because these and a varie:y of otter groendo he ; teressed hia •
the granting :toy mist end:sneer the establishments in' cinvit ti in, diet t :e Ilo•i se woe hl feel nit affficiehy ilk
church and stem In ta hat ghirter did these dancers neg it i yin 1 tee m don nisi, Nob e leiol.
exist ?By what means WAS the 0-otestant Church to Mr. GRATTAN contended, thirst An eni:tiiry Itri
be subverted ? Was it Catholics who weie to that litmse wis perfectly constitu.ieivil ; bet passed
overthrow it ; and if so, by what means were they to a high eftcomium on the cheiacter rf Chief Justice
accomplish that overthrow ? Was it by farce ? If i IhsielleS; and Judge 1) re. Delegoihus hid been
so, he I they not as mull force now to conteass th it I frequent : by then the rielits if leeten.l hal beet, re.
design as they ever had, or were likely to have ? I stood, and the Cathelic fiats-Aloes obtaileel : repre-
An I if it was not by force they were to subvert it, by ' settee ice meetings c f that !Ort Silrbtil I not be tree-m. 4,
wit it other means? Was it by ass ciating is elzir 1 but occasionally held ; they laid been the meths of
plan the Irish Protest ints ? If so, are those Genee. preserving our liheriee :hippo te the Cediolics had
men prepared to say that the ltieh Protestants weuhl : acted i iligaliy, he coule not a.ftee ti•c eh age es-elk
blend their aid in destroying their own Church ?Surely : theft of hrite:i-el, 45 a reastel ihr ; dui n c ,nces:on. '
this would be bordering very close on absurdity.— ! No liar to the r chi:us was t 5 be tome in the mete
I But it wiltild only be of a piece with most of the ar.,manner and elms of their erereedines, ;fat the et%
guments that had been used against the motion of is peated reitoars the y had C 11; .'i ic;l:t-d. We were the
Noble Friend. For several years beck it had ah-o cease Id ti:eir ere ts, bt rsltoate the eraycr c f leer
been objected toethe Catholic Petition that their Na- : reilions at f llovosehjects. He wished to see tee
bility weir adetose. to it. At enrolee- time it teas rpteseon cal rid by a j 'int vice ry cif le otest mats and
saidethat the Catholic Clergy were ag tine. it, and that , Catholics, over tit_ r elute:o rneaeices and jealousies.
it hid nun been signed by :illy of then Flints, 4-r even :D. feeting dee Goat:rant:no or defeat ne the people,
i one of-their prehties. Nor was that all ; ill other weee both iehttious to that concord, in the seitit of
o- e asions, and by other alenticinen it saes ii;j •cied, • which, the liberty cif all sh eel b...ectired : 11 de.
thit though the Irish N'.bil ty, Clergy. and Gen- fettieg tlu people, we shoule hoot that spirit weigh
try, might be in favuur of tie petitien, yet the nets to defend the comm y.
i great nu tss of the lower carders of that persuasion : The Right lionesuahle Geed( man lied still, that
!wete tell illy indifferent abort its stoce,s. The the Catholics appeared Mole discontented after every
C',etliollzs observed and felt ad these objections. and recession. 11 the obervation was true, the prinell
I were aliX:OlIS to remove them, as they have on all oc- ple upon which it was to be accounted fair, was, that
casions invariably been to remove every cause of corn- a hostile Adminittration n aurally makes a ditcon-
• •
! plaint and dissatisfaction at their c: aidtrct. How .' tented people ; 'and if the C 'deities appear eomewhat ,
' valid they most effectually obtain their end ? more discontented than at f -rmer periods, it sees be..
Why by endeavouring so to collect the universal opi- : cause the Government appeared more hostile. Be. .
nion of their body, as to obviate all objections. They , fore the Act of Repeal, however, there were no Irish
, accordingly set to work, in order to collect the opi- , seldiers iii your service. Since the Act r f Repeat
nions and wishes of all the classes of their body.— : your ranks are full of them, and Irish blond is emdle •
1
They chose from among their Nobility, their Pi elacy, . gaily spent in defence of your emp re. A Right Hon.
anoirtheir Gentry, those in whom they most trusted, . Gentleman had consideled the Irish pests tittry as hu-
m meet and manifest the general wishes and opinion.: mend and barbarous. If they were so, it would bee
--But no sooner did they make this attempt, which ', reproach to England, wile has so bog eoverned that
they fondly conceived must • silence every objection, l country. But the reproach was n t deserved ; and
when a new cry is raised against them, that such it must always be recollected, that nothing was
meeting of thee. Nobility, Prelacy, and Gentry, cculd ! now asked for the peasantry. They are now etectors.
only have tar its object to constitute an assembly of What was new asked was fin theCotholie Nobilityand •
the three Estates, which would beard Parliament i Gentry; for such men as Lords Fiegel, Ti intleestelve„
1 and nose the very Government—meetings which ! Netterville, and many others of that descripeon. Would
' were immediately declared to be illegal, and as such 1 it be said that they wets so unedecated, that they must
put down. He did not expect that much weight be again sent to school before they could be admitted
should be attached to his opinion, but he wetili ho. :to sit and votcin Pet-Lenient, amang their Protestan •
nestly declare that opinion, and assert, that in his ' Peers ? Supposing a case, which he hoped would
!conceptiOn of the matter, there was nothing illegal in never occur, of a French army invading Ireland,
these meetings. They were no violation or the Con- . and being joined by the Catholics—who would be so
, vention Act. The Catholics who so assembled, as- I much to blame as Ministers them,olves ? If they kept '
'sembled for no other purpose in the world than that iso large a proportion of the eopulaeon of Ireland in
of petitioning, and petitioning in such a manner as I constant discontent, they were unnccess trily risking
to obviate every objection that had hitherto been I the entire fate of the empire. When the Right Hon.
started against the nature of their petition. In his Gentleman desired to know what sectaities were to
mitt& therefore, they had not offended against the be given for the Church. of England, he would
Convention Act, or violated any law, and yet they tell li.m, that the best of all securities was the removal
have been treated as if they were guilty of the most fla- !of the dispialifications, and placing the Church of
grant offences. How then could it be expected thattheir i England in a state compatible with the interests and
-
I conduct would bespeak the feelings of satisfaction, ac- I feelings of the greet mass of the Irish community.
I quiescence and submission ? Was it mere than neural I He did rot think it was quite fen far Ministers
1 teatfailinginalltheirattemptstoplease,they should feel to expect a specific plan to be produced on the other
disappointment, and utter the language, and assume I side. It was their common cry se! enever a Commit-
I the mien which indicated such feelingi, and tech a tee was mi:Ved for, to say, 64 Let us see yaur specific
' state of mind ? Their feelings and disappointment 1 plan :" but if they wanted to see the plan, it was
are then construed into a manifest Won of menace; ! only as food for their oppostiott to it. It was thus in
their attitude into that of defiance ; and th again all the motions for Committees to enquire into Par.
I are immediately made the ground for ttfusing to liamentery reform. Ministers alwey s objected to
" concede any of their claims. This was an unwise these motions on the same wounds, and alleged, that
'conduct ; the experience of all history, particularly they could do nothing without seeing a specific plan ;
i our own history, demonstrated that imprudence.— and yet, when they resolved to can the Union, they
1 Such was the cor.duct we had pursued towards Ame- found that there was no difficulty at all iii reforming
nca. Ha- people wore said to have assumed a tone the representation of Ireland. They who celled on
and attitude which should not be brooked ' - and the others for specific plans, found, when it suited their
Goseernment of that day adopted towards America purposes, that they could strike out a plan themselves
I the sane line of conduct which the present Govern- in half an hour. He retied upon it, that Ministers
melt have recently been pursuing towards the Ca- would not succeed in their present views; he was
tholics of Ireland. But it will ever meet with the convinced, that the honesty of the people of England
same lite. The Government which was so haughty would not permit them to succeed (//ear, herre.)—By
end overbearing at first, were at last compelled to those disqualifications, they had acted as it they had
submit, and to acknowledge as an i 'dependent power tied up a great artery of the body politic, and it was
those whom they had so shortly before stigmatised as 1 not strange that convulsions should follow. He sin-
rebel. He must entreat the House not to lose sight cerely heped that all those disabilities might hire.
of that melancholy lesson ; not to alienate Ireland, moved, and that Ireland would stand 6r fall with
.as America hid been lost. They should recollect Great Britain, having equal privileges and equal •
how the Irish Catholics fought; bled, and conquered freedom.
in our fleets and armies, and were yet excluded from Mr. CROKER made a few observations, amidst.
the blessings of the Constitution. Ireland, he would loud cr?es of questioi, veition.
Mr. TIERNEY merely wished to explain the
without enteting at all into the
contend, possessed resources from sltences were de-
! rived the greatest energies of the State. Ireland not I meaning of eh ewe,
only formed a chief part of our strength, het upon ! question, which had bsea :timely to ably discussed.
It was not his to cast blame 't l' ./IG
I her cordial co-operation and assistance in the peseta i
i meaning on the 11:. o.
,! crisis of our affairs, must depend the security and 1' I,.ere e m no or on ally body ; but as he thought it noe•
torious that Ireland had, from sonic Cause n• other,
1 safety of the British Empire. Under ilea enpres. I
sion, the motion of his Noble Friend mast have his, been thrown into a situ ition which required the inter.
' most hearty concurrence. ' Terence of the Legislature, he should, on that account,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER vote for a Committee to inquire. If such a Commit.
tee were appointed, their first consideration shouldbole
in an able and animated speech contended, that the
whether those penal laws' and disqualifications :hold&
mode in which the question was discussed was unfair,
and that the objects of those who supported it appear- continue any longer ? The course would be simple.
to ell to be collect every thing that could initate the
Mr. ELLIorr, in voting for the motion, had no.
feelings and inflame the discontents of the people of intention to et iminnue Ministers; Etta to consider the
Ireland—that could make then; believe that their Go.
claims of the Catholics which were essentially mm.
verament studied only to oppress them, and their
nectrd with the safety of the Empire.
Judges to misinterpret the law to their prejudice. He
Sir G. WAR RENDER founded his elnOtion ost
entered into a luminous exposition of the character of
the Cetholic Convention, and defence of the conduct similar grounds.
of Government towards them. So far were the latter Lord MORPE*TH said, that what bad fallen from
front having outstepped dirk duty th.t he contended, his Hon. Fiiend. (Mr- Tierney) was sufficient to ree
if the Convent-on Act had not existed, they would lieve him from the scenting inconsioeney (as it had
hive been deeply culpable, heal they neglected to heen celled) of votieg fur his own mo.ii.n. Ti*
apply to the Legislature for a Bill to enable them to Chancellor of the Exchequer 'had imputed to hies
beat down the spirit of violence which was beginning party -motives- He must say, if an endeavour to gran.
to manifest itself. Blinded by party heel, oiessee. quilise the disturbances of the Empire—if a:t amass
porters of the motion- defended all 'efish the Catho- to unite the hears of the people of England ant
lics had done, because in doing that they could accuse lol.nsi in the common interest—were to be ealle4
the Goberpment. But he ousted they would be contrivences of party, lie thertfitily acceded so do
shielded from any futute evils which the course they imputation.—The Ileuse then divided,
had adopted might otherwise occasion, by the m;no• For the Motion - 195
city in which, he was persuaded, they would be left, Against it . . V9B
on the divish nof the question. Whenever the time Majority • . - --.. ps,
might :wive fir granting to the Ce‘olies their &Pre, Adjourned at !Mir-PAST Mg o'clocn this
lama% ,