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country *meter,. whereas Istbed mes %yea Mimi
in Poch Monodiste danger, nor mold be espoktt tol
any attack fo fudden es to:prevent. affillanc• from
this coantry. He combated the idea of eneotamging
a deliberative Prfiem by accepting loch offers. There
was no deliberative faculty in a fiegle aft directed
only on me.Ablea• It was not deliberation. It was
only the exprelfion of a choice. No ryftem, be con.
tended, could Co ftion replace the force to be thus re-
moved, as to call in the men of landed property,
who bad fpiritand zeal enough, he believed, to make
every noterary tion.
Mr. BAJOXE&oppofed the• Bdl, as viotating the
principle of the militia laws. He had formerly op.
pored the fending of militia regiments from England
to Ireland : he rejoiced 'in the vote he then gave,
and he would oppofe The prefem madam de dle
fame principle. But whatever neceffity there oil*
have been for the former, thus- was none for the
prefent mealure. The meafure coder confide:l:4os.
oat al objedicinable,, on the ground of its co grin
!lancing deliberative couniels in the army. If, eel
the part of the officen, it would be accompanied
with a fort of perfonal canvaring of their men, which
would wound their feelings and weaken their autho.
city ; if propnfed on the part of the foldiers, it wnuli
open a door for declaimers, or fklf.interefted perfons,
to acquire an afundency, by bringing forward pro.'
points under the mark of patriotifm. In the event.
of Government accepting loch offers, where, hei'
would a&, would filch a fyttem of innovation end.l
And, what Volunteer or Militia Officer would btu
Cafe, from the thperabnodant zeal of perhaps half a
dozen agitators, who, for the fake of acquiring Tome
temporary eclat, might propose offering their Cervices to
Government for fomemore di Rant or arduous duty than
thkt for which they were mired ? But he trilled that
the wifdom of the Legiflature would not (offer fuck
fort of re& offers to become popular, as the tendency
of them would be to make that fervice fo irktome, to
country Gentknsen, that it would become imporfilde
to keep up the Militia force oti its former refpulleibi
footing. The issearure under confideration was Im-
politic alto, as k would draw av-., from Ireland fo
many country gentlemen, whole prefence there was
wanted at the recent crifis. A better mode be I
*might would be to Rate to the men, in the fir*
inillance• the circumfiances and terms for which they
to be railed, and that it would be better to Wife
gifti- ter number for general ferrice ; the difference
If exposes in this cafe ought not. to (tend in the way.
He eaglet not bear to do things in this indecent kind
of ways firli railing men for die Militia, under ma.
ditions and relltiatons, and then enlarging end al-
,tering the kind of fervice which they were te per-
Comm Is the prefent cafe it would be mare advifis.
able to homers on tbefe regiments of Irifh Militia,
that it would be bettor for them to adhere to their
conflitutional formation, than to adopt letee•
!Cures which may prove of an injurious tendency.
Colonel HUTCHINSON, after a few intruilue-
they obkrvatioas, proceeded to Rate the grounds on
which he felt it his duty to rapport the Bill. He
&quid fapport it as a mature which could not fail
zo have the Iteppieil effeds on the lituation of Ire-
Rand. Ha willed, however, to Rate diftiodly to the
ilioufe the grounds on which this opinion was found-
:ed.- It was from an idea that the intereas of all
wanks of the community in Ireland would be bene-
fited by the 'mature, that he was determined to
vote for it on the prefeut otcalion. The manufac-
turers and agricultural peafants of Ireland would,
by coming to this country, have an opportunity of
contemplating the bappinefs which prevailed among
the lower seders, and would be prompted to emu-
late and to cultivate thofe habin from which this
happinefs and comfort proceeded. They would have
as opportunity of obferving in how many reftwas
the inhabitants of this part of the United Empire
excelled thole of a fimilar defeription in Ireland ;
and it was not to be denied that the circumliances
of Cuperiority were various, and from loch a review
they would fee the propriety of aging on the prin.
ciples by which this fuperiority was procured.—
They would kern to appreciate the value of hot
banding their time, and would fee the advantageof
porfuing that fyilem of habitual induhry, which, if
this country, was the dilliaguifitiog feature of the
lowell, in common with thehigheit tanks in fociety.
The advantages arifing from union of public fend-
merle would not fail to excite their attention, and
from the companion which mutt arife in their
minds, it was natural to anticipate the moil impor-
tant alteration of national opinion on their return
to their native land. Refped for the people of thit
country would neurally be created, and a degree
of affedion would be contracted which, under the
prefent circumilances of the Empire, could not poi
fibly exiu. It would be ken that they cams into a
country whore they were received as fellow citizens,
aa_fit of the fame conftitutiorsal privileges and
political rights. The confequeace of &eh an inter.
change of opinions was obvious. It was, more than
any other circuntilance, calculated to deflroy thole
feelings of prejudice which it was fo material to era-
dio.ate. 'May would unlearn much of that nsifeon•
.ception which, fiom a variety of circumftences, now
prevailed. But above all, the beneficial aces of
the meafure would operate in they/Mg the people of
Irelandtbar there was great dillindion to hewn& be-
tuixt the feelings of this country at large, and the
opinions and fyfiern, not of this Miiiillty alone, but
of any cabinet that had hitherto been formed.—
Ir would :convince them, that whatever the ;renter-
tity and wickedocis of any cabinet might be with
regard to Ireland, this policy was not countenanced
or fopported by public opinion. Mtiliflers might
ad on marrow, illiberal principles, but the fend.
meuts of an Englifil pnbiic would be found to be call-
did, liberal, and generous. The Militia of Ireland,
who now volunteered their fervices to this cos -•
try, would leave it with the imp/Aim that the peo-
ple were not partakers in the perfecuting policy of
any Adminiltration, bet were inipired with every
with of extending to all parts of the Empire the bier-
flags of an Ignitable tyfitat of Government. But
this was not the only view whiob lie entertained of
the benellelel confequesces of the mcafore. The
Gentlemen who were to command the militia regi.
'neon which were to volunteer their (evokes to this
country, "mild like wife team many imponam !cross
by this emotion of their Cervices. The Hoyle would
keep in vier that they were principally land owners,
who neceffarily maintained a lane important and in-
teralliog telatioo with the lower orders in Ireland.—
lie cote/Load a lope that they would feel it their

*ay*, tan*. be arse,
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England with that Air the -Temotry.'ise:lrr.lohd—
to rkw their relative degree' bf cultiffirt and
laappiosfa, and on their return te' Ireland employ
Mkensfehtes in introducing the improvements which
Suit a review would naturally (aggeft. Such a re-
title mull indeed mat poirerfollf imprefs on the
mind of every land owner that his real intereft con-
fided not in the ember of pounds Which he was en-
abled to put into his pocket, but la the general diffu
fion of that dornefile enjoyment which rende;ed• the
lower orders the belt tenants, as well as the mat va-
luable members of fociety. Theft were the
Principles and views on which he felt himfelrecialleadi
on to give his rapport to the Bill. Bat while he was
refolved to give the meafure his fupport, he begged
leave to add, that he mold not give this foppish an-
, manafted with certain conditions. He would be
Story indeed to think ant an ofer fo liberal as.,
that of the Intl fhould be received with.
oat Come correfponding return of liberality, and
wen jukice, on the part of this country. The
prank was a moment of the greateß intereß for the
feeurity of both countries, and when it was confidered
how great was the armed force of this country, Ire-
lend was not to be deprived of a hrge proportion of
well difclplined troops, without receiving an equivalent
for this diminution of the tailing means of defence.
This was not, however, the only point of view in which
the effeBs of the meafore could be contemplated. It
was notsnertly the armed force of the privates in the
Militia Regiments volunteering their Cervices to this
:country, that Ireland would We by the meafare. As
he bad already remarked, the great majittity of
die officers were land-owners, whofe pretence at all
times of high importance, was more efpecially re-
f/arm at a crifis of unparalleled difficultr and den-
y?. One great fource of the prefent !unfortunate Rate
of Ireland was, that there was not a fuffieient
of the country gentlemen refidetk in the country.
Of this defcription of the inhabitants of Ireland, the
fawices were of the higheft moment to the intereils
and hatvinefs of the loiver and indufirlotteorders.
-It was their peculiar bufinefs to be the fuppotters of
the poor under circtimilances of diftrefs, to be their
.dusters in circumliances of difficulty, to be their
pamens and proteßers againfl (themes of oppreffion.
rthateiptast °hie/lion againft the Union was, that the
:selldessee of the land-owners would be ditiouraged.—
Whatever advantages might wife from the Union,
in relation to the general intents of the eire, this
was an evil which had materially ince -ed. In
agreeing to the prefent Bill, therefore, he could not
Iffifcherge his duty without requiring that before Ira
laud' fhould be deprived of the refidence of fo great a
part of the-loaded Mural, force adequate return
mould be afforded. It weld be contrary to every
fentiment of When, as well as every feeliog of hu-
manity, to increafe in Ireland an evil already fo cry-
ing and fo enormous, without taking precautions to
prevent Its further progrefs, fo far as it could be
treated by the Bill now before the Hoofe. The re-
tarn then which he afked was, hm a certain prOpor-
dun of Cho Militia Corps of this Ceti:airy fhould be
lent to Ireland in the room of tholeiments of
Irifh Militia which had agreed to exteomd their fee.
vices to this country. He was not iodised to deny,
that in sulking this exchange, he Aced for a return
which, by many Members, would be confidered to
of the bight(' value. It was certainly alking a good
deal of the officers and privates of Militia Corps in
this Country, to give up all the comforts they enjoyed
herefor the parpofeef volunteering theirfervices to Ira
land. In thiscafe, however, it was to be confideredthat
the inconvenience was only one of a tempoitary dare-
don, whereas the unionof the two countries bad placed
the Gentlemen of Ireland under ineorrreniences which
were permanent in their duration. He would pot it to
the candour of the Houk, whether Intl Gentle:tam
were not labouring under a very confiderable inconve-
nience, in coofequence of their attendance in Pares.'
meat its this country ? This inconvenience, however,
they chearfully fubmitted to, from an enlarged coo.
fideration of the advantages accruing to the whole of
a great empire. When he propofed the return which
be had alluded to, he did nor think, therefore. that he
Weed what was unfair, unreafonable or oppreffive....
The bell chile on the militia of this country to ea'
lunteer their Cervices to Ireland was, that by this ex.
tenfina of firvice they materially contributed to the
defence and fecurity of the kingdom in one part where
it was molt peculiarly vulnerable. In the cafe of the
attendance of frills Gentlemen, an inconvenience be
vet to be removed WAS flibmiued tn. In the
''!'ounce all that was called for on the part of =id
was tubrniflion to an inconvenience of a temporary
nature, at a cribs when all that was deareft to both
countries were at flake. But a good deal had been in-
4fied on as to the violation of the principles of the
militia aabliffiment. He could not help thinking
that, if Gentlemen who urged this oblation had taken
the trouble to allude a little to the records and
,rages of Parliament, they would not have laid fo
Install Chefs as they appeared to do on the argument.
1 -.Gentlemen would do well to recolleB that a
Sanding army, fuch as it now Rood, was repugnant
to the original principles of the Conilitution. but a
difference of eircumflances had in the lapfe of years
produced the precast extended eflablithinent. In
judging of she expediency of the nu:afore now before'
the Houfe, he thought it but fa, therefore, to look
back to former precedents and not to Rand Co elofely
.by the arid letterof the Militia Syllem. Precedents
of the fame defeription certainly did still, and it was
too rigid a mode of restoring to hold up one princi-
ple one day and to difclaim it on smother oecafiots,
when, perliJp,„ it was found convenient to hold ants.
Cher ipecies (-t argument. On the general principle,
then, he did not think that the meafure was liable
to the objeetiorts which had been urged againt it in
the astute of the difeuffion. There wero, however,
feveral points ou which he wit/led to make a few ob.
(creations. If the Right Hon. Gentleman on the
other fide (Mr. Yorke) meant that the only return
to be made for the Militia Regiments volunteering
to this country Ihould confiß ore new body of Mill.
tie to be railed in Irelaud, he Gould molt trongly
(Asia! to fuels an arrangement as highly objeCtion•
able. If it was meant that the deficiency fhould
be wade tip by foreign Corps, his ohjeCtion fo far
from being weakened would be materially flrength
cried. He had no difficulty in declaring, that he
had the bonsai obUllecia to the introduetion of
Foreign Corps into any part of the Empire. but
he more particularly objected to their introdue-
tiqo isto Itslazid is the rrefitilt eteuitittanm of tt.S.

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Mr. BU
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obfervatiOn particularly to die employment if foreign
corps, and the remarks mak oft the letters of ohs
Lord Chancellor of Ireland. He tomehded that toasty
Of the general objedions againfl the Bill would be
very powerful under the ordinary circtundames of
the country. It was to be recolleited, boweverothat
the ?relent was not a period of ordinary &porn bett
a cnfts of unexampled interell. It was co this pries.
tipk that he judged of the Bill, and on this ground
It had his fupport. It did not appear to hits fair to
strgoe againd the Bill op the ground that the Intik
' Itfilitia who volunteered their fervirn to this country,
Were to be iuunedistely removed from Ireland. If
he had conceived that the Bill needle:oy impliedlhias
he could not but have viewed it in a very ;latent
light. As it (truck his mind, however, all that was
meant by the meafure was, to enable Parliament to
fanetion any preparatory meafures which particular
eircumflances might render definable at a moment of
peculiar emergency. Such an emergency might mar
at no remote period, and it would be 'way extraordi-
nary pol!cy, never to think of precautions till the day
of aaual danger approached.—On there grounds be
fupponed the Bill.
Mr. CANNING thought it was imporGlile to dit.
nth this quellion properly without Rift con6derlmg
the Rate of the country into Which this aid was pro.
poled to be fent) and allb the flats of the country
whence this relief was to come, and the means it bad
of affording this aid. The ot!e& of this Bill, be On-
derilond, to, be the enabling Govertnueist more tikes
tuallyto employ difpofale force. It was allewed

that this force was now locked up in fpite of 70,000
*144, and 380,000 Volunteers; at the fame use it
Was feriouily argued as if the introduaton of Woe
Iriflo Militia would enable Government to do more
than aso,ooo Eaglifhmen in alms could effell! The
mere ilatesnent of an argument fo fraught with ab-
(civility convinced them that fame other motive for
the tneafure lurked behind. It seas allowed en all
bands that an additional difpofable force was wanted.
Bat it ftruck him as a moll whimrical way of reme-
dying this evil to add an additional limited terrier in
both countries. As to (applying the deficiency by
means of foreign troops, he doubted how far this
would fuit in point of coallituri,.nal nr prudential
policy. When the qnefliln war, how was an ad.
ditiunal force to be (applied in the °torte! way ?
be thought ft the Rrongeff method to fapply the
vacancy occafioned by acquirinp, one limited farce•
by fupplanting another limited force, and at the
fame time)), transferring that army of teferve, which
was profclfedly trained for ihe purr-le of filling up
deficiencies in the regular army and difpefiable forma
He slLnict that Irti4nd could !pare [bele h roes, or
that England warted this ;sattic,:lar fpecies of force.
On every view, then, which he took of the filbjeift,ha
ic:t himlelf induced to vote aping this Bill.
Col' nel BASTARD thought that the objedim
againll this tneafure, that it encouraged deliberative
Tre•ltlief 13 the Militia regiments, was a very for.
es-. Then ce•• flatting tie cantlituticia of ar

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rt: To is that the peottle 4114' 1
d' Foreign Corps to defend, them riga' dip I
pta of France *hold be dif4racefui to * oar
charaiter. 'Ghat woeld the polterity of itbe
t age think of the iqbalsitante of England iistsjr
erious or fo corrupts% as to crud the defeats of '
it Is dearea to men to be upheld by nsi ism*
;es but the mere low conGderation of pee '
I I As to Ireland, more particularly, he beamed
•o enter his molt folemn protea ageing fu a , i
re, as the introdultion of any foreign corps.—
isms occations Minillers had Rated, and theyhed
truly, that there was every viAble change in the
cots and feelings of the people of Ireland, as far
red totheinvafion of a French force. Fortunately
important change on this bead had taken lace,
this moment he believed that no pert ;If, 90.
in of Ireland entertained any colfid the
Floid dela ove prowsife sof the Defpot of wise
iv threatening a defeent on our &oaf). "'there
• with for *lntact from a' powerlittich was
ed with univerfal detellation and abhorrence,
ough it was true that the people of Ireland had
s for French affiltaace, it did not by any means
that they were fatisfied with the condo& of
!rs. Such an affection had not indeed been
5 y Milliners, and it was right that it had not
node, for it was an afertion contrary to feet.
[on. Member, its itineration of this fentiment,
very animated pieure of the fituation of Ire.
it the moment when the offers wbkh formed
mind of the prefent Bill were brought forward.
rticularly referred to the letters wriUen by the
...7.hancellor of that country. He charaaerifed
roduCtion as one calculated, not to inarort,
ifreprefent i lest to conciliate, but to irritate.
:as a prododtes fitted to infult and degrade
igions opinions Of a great majority of the Iritts
It was evidently intended to &taste iss
s eonneeted only with the Divine Nine-and
lividuals come= -W. It was an indecent, an
Sable libd-on the charafier of the people of
I. He fisted in very animated terms, his da
talent from any idea being entertained that the
of Ireland were at all fatirfied with the ma.
purfued by Minato., fiace their acted 100 to
Cs far as the affairs of that part of the en-
rre concerned. He particularly quoted leveed
is from the fried) of the Right Honourable
man now at the head of his Mjeay's Govern-
previous to the Union, and in recommendation
meafare, which derncrnarared his opinion that
ration of Ireland was one which admitted of
important improvements. He was proceeding
of the Hoofs what improvements that Right
Grentlentab's adminiaration had produced ?
met VEREKER (poke to order.
Speaker, by not interfeeing, declared that the
Member was not out of order.
met HUTCHINSON on this was going on to
it he had been unnecefanly interrupted, what
met VEREKER'apin role to appeal to the
whether he had tinneceffaray interrupted the
Member.—To rids there was no reply.
onet HUTCHINSON then rote, and after a
:ry pointed obfervations as to the imperious duty
sabers of Parliament to declare their opinions
ut referee at futh a crilis. concluded with de.
g his refolutica to vote for the progrcfs of the
. BURROUGHS thought that a great part of
lon. Gentleman's fpeech had nothing to do
he quellion before the Houle. He-applied this
ration particularly to the employment of foreign
, and the remarks made on the letters of the
Chancellor of Ireland, He totsteatted that many
general objeaions againft the Bill would be
powerful under the ordinary circtunkoces of
)aatty. It was to be recolleited. boweverathat
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Ihe entertained of da to be raikd in Irelaud, he Gould mod Braley was prof-die:illy trained ?or-the ptirjp-fe Of .65:4 "I;
he nicafore. The objet to fuch an arrangement as highly objeiltion• deficiencies in the regular army and dirpoili We form
id the militia regi- able. If it w-as meant that the deficiency fhonld He di.nied that Ireland could !pare [bele krces, or
rir fervices to this be made tip by foreign Corps, his objeflion fo far that Englind wanted this ;satticitlar (peeks el force.
y importantleffous from being weakened would be 'materially flrength On every view, then, which he r,,ot: of rh, fiikite,he
The Hot& would ened. He had no difficulty in declaring, that he i ic:t himicli induced en vote ageing thin Bill.
4"1/041141 owners, die lheagelk objeillioo to the introduttion of Coliniel BASTARD thought that the Ohjealnll
important and in- Foreign Corps into Any part of the Empire. bin againa this cleah"e* that it encouraged deliberative
rders so Ireland.— he more particularly objected to their introdue• weal-sues in the Militia regiments, was a very foe-,
euald Feel it *air Alsip tato Irslaad is the prefer.t ercuttittancet of the c. ass. Then ce^f4cting tee conlitotiosefehg
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