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ought to be pitied by reason and °once:epee. Tile
;home the Noble Lord is, that the mode pro-
by him has a tendency to destroy all responsi-
bility: He begged Ito ask the Noble Lord, if the
matter were to be fairly disiussed, whether it would
not be much inure desirable that the House should
have an opportunity of discussing the Treaty in a
correct state The Noble Lord might lay it infer.
mally upon the table, as he had done the Papers re-
garding Genoa and Sweden. The Treaty of Chau-
mont had also been laid in substance before the
House, although it had not been ratified, and the
same purse might now be pursued. This was the
fair and only way of meeting the question, unless the,
Noble Lord meant to obtain the applause of the
House by stratagem. lf, as the Noble Lord had
said, the genuine Itteaty had peen so misrepresented,
was it not the more necessary that a correct state-
ment of its contents should be furnished, even to 1
avoid the exple;s'on of unfavourable opinionst not I,
warranted by the Treaty itself ? He therefore put it
:sincerely Ind respectfully to the Noble Lord, whe.
ther, even for his OWI) case, it would not he adviseable
to produce an accurate statement of the 4111a$tellICe Of ;
the Treat y ? •
Mr. METHUEN denied that he had given any
abstract applause to the conduct of Lord Castlereagh
...in this instance it received his full approbation
(Hear, hear.)—He thought that he might fairly ac-
cuse the other side of the House with giving abstract
and systematic opposition to every measure of Go-
vernment, under whatever circumstances st might be
adopted—( Hear, &Ir.)
Lord CAS I'LEREAGH observed, that for the
reasons he had before stated, he should decline laying
the substance of the Treaty before the House, unless
a distinct motion were made upon the subject, and
then he could state his opinion, and adopt such con-
duct as he might deem expellent.
Lord MILTON begged to know on what day the
Treaty in question had been received by Government ?
LordCASTLE REAG H answered, that he should
be prepared to give every information on a future day.
Mr. BENNET inquired whether drat part of the
published copy were contained in the authentic do-
cument, in which the Allies were made to declare
that they would bring to justice all such persons as
shall have joined, or may hereatier join. the party of
Napoleon ?" He wished to know whether that provi-
sion had been ratified by the British Government ?
Lord CASTLEREAGH had no objection to
state. that that part was decidedly incoriectsub-
stantially inaccurate.
Lord MILTON asked, whether this Treaty was
in the hands of Ministers before'the 7th of April, the
day on which the Noble Lord had obtained the
Address?

Lord CASTLEREAGH replied in the affirma-
tive, and added, that he was prepared to contend
that there was nothing at all inconsistent h:tween the
terms of the Address and of the Treaty.
Mr. TIERNEY tegretted that the NAle I.mrd
had any objection to produce the substance oi the
Treaty.
1..!1rtl CASTLEREAGH—I have not stated that
I had any objection. •
Mr. WHI rBREAD—Doei the NoSle Lord
mean to say, that if a motion be now made he wilt

produce it ?
Lord CASTLEREAGH answered, that he could
not undertake to lay It betore the House upon an Mi.
mediate motion, if not in courtesy to his Colleagues,
whose opinions he wished to receive, but in courtesy
also to the Representatives of other Powers, whose
interests were alike of acted.
Mr. WHITBREAD regretted that the Noble
L all had not saved the time of the House by earlier
making such a statement. Was he now to under-
, stand, that it a motion were made on Monday for the
substance of the Treaty, it would meet with the corn.
pliance of the Noble Lot d ? If so, he would of course
move fix it, and then the subject would be fairly and
clearly before the House.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said that he would enter
into no compact. He was surprised that the Hon.
Member %twit& :1 long have remained in the dark ;
for the whore course of his (Lord Castlereagh's) rea
boning was intensial to sew, that at the 'proper time
he ailit,uld not it inconsistent with his duty to
lay the substance or the Treaty upon the table. AR
he would say at present was, that he should be pre•
pared on Monday to give the Hon. Gentleman a
distinct answer.
Mr. WHITBREAD observed, that on Monday
he should make the motion, without entering into
argument, in order to ascertain'whether the Noble
Lord's sense of duty would allow him to produce
what was requited, in order that the Hotte should
not be plunged into a discussion that might be dis-
advantageous to the country.. He should make the
motion before the Committee of Supply.
Mr. PONSONBY alluded to the case of Sweden,
where the Noble Lord had agreed to produce the
substance of unratified treaties. He wished to know
distinctly, whether, on Monday, the Noble Lord
would consent to produce the substance of the Treaty ?
He protested against• being compelled to discuss the
merits of this Treaty or Coavention, without precise
information upon its nature.
Lord CASTLEREAGH congratulated the House
lon the pacific tone that had been recently assumed by
the other side of the House, and that opinions appa-
rently so hostile had been reconciled in a manner so
satisfactory—( Hear, and laughter.) He had never
doubted-that it was consistent with the practice of the
House to present the substance of treaties ; it might
be extremely detrimental were it otherwise. All he
would say at present was, that on Monday he would
give an answer ; and he perfectly concurred in the
impropriety of premature discussion. What he had
argued in the finer instance was, that if the Honour-
able Member ( Nth. Whitbread) wished to give advice
to the Crown, he could do it as regularly upon the
published Treaty as upon the authentic document.
Mr. WHITBREAD observed, that as the Noble
Lord had been the Demon, or God of the Storm,
now he was metamorphosed into the Genius, or Hal-
cyon of the Calm. From what the Noble Lord had
at first said, no man could have anticipated what had
recently fallen from his • lips. Now he was perfectly
ready to grant every thing that was required —(No,
no, front Lord Castlereagh.)—Yes, he would grant alt
that was • wanted—the• substance of the Treaty—
(No, ao.)—Woll, then, the fact would be known on
Monday, and Mr. Whitbread had no disposition to
raise a new storm by further contention.

f.nril CASTLE RE AGI-I—f cannot sec that t;ierp
is any matter of difference between us now. The'
Honourable Member does not, however, quite an-
prove of my conduct, and I am net sorry fair it,
cause there is nothing that I am so much afraid 0f as
his praise.
Mr. 'WHITBREAD—The fear expressed I,y tle

Noble Lord is quite as uniuunded as my praise ik:ot.:4
li:tve been if I had ever bestowed it ; for the (act is.
tb:tt he never receivM a scintillas ofiipplaiise from

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me dui ing the whole course of his political
The question was then rt, and it was ordered teat
the I louse at it;; I ising should adjimrn till Monday.

PROPERTY TAX.
The CH4NCELI.OIt of t.!!e EXCI-11'.(;;TEit
brought in the New Property Tax Bill. ua ti,
question that it be Lead a first time,
Mr. J. I'. ditANT s.id. lie rppr.
measure on the second and rif;t c. .It.
sent occasion, after what ha .1 just p s.yeit io
Mr. G RENFELI, explained Ca: vote he g.eve
the minority on tit tormer was oi.ly in.
tended to prodirc.: tl.e delay of a to: triii;la plor,Led
by Mr. Brand. The events tl:.tt had recently
red induced him to think that such a measure wa,:.
necessary, limier two or flit-cc modifications :—l.
That the Property Tax should be rendered mere
:.anal, by lessening the burden upon persims velvise
incomes were from 2 to ie."o(a yeir. `' TI a
comes derived from trade or profess;ons s!a,nd n(,t
pay in the same proportion as incomes dutiv, t trim
tired property. `.l. That some regulat'otts
introduced ;o diminish the inquisitorial powers iet
, Commissioners on aq.lits of '1 'n in 4.iiiii-rsetopi.ice.

Mr. ELLIS supported the Bill, hut reconmictided
that a Committee should be appointed to consid.l.,;
the fit misdifications.
Mr. CORDON was disposed, strenuously, to cp.
pose the Bill, andi called the recollection of
men to the assertion of the Chancellor of the
quer, that he would allow of no modifications.
Sir JOIN NEWPORT declared his tultntvn rf
dividing the Flluse upon tl:e first reading, in hu, •
sitanee of his original deterininaticn.
Mr. pEN.SON bore testimony to the change (.f
ientimc.it in Liverpool in favour of the Property T.
It gave Ministers 'no greater power, because taxes to
the same amount would have been raised by othrr
Bills, if not by that now lnfore the House.
Mr. C. WYNNE regretted the expend:tnre to
which we were exposed, but thought no other mea•
sure calculated to meet the difficulty. _ _

Mr. BARN:; did not admit that any change had
taken pl ice in the public opi.nion on this Bill sitici-
last year, butlhe was willing to allow that it nigl.t
he prudent to adopt it for one year-Ist. Because iho
machinery was already prepared : —2d. Because it
would enable Government to act with Ow: vie/ n-
and decision winch might put speedy eo.l to a new
war. lie wished the tax to be cryuitoted ;:a its tre,ent
sitape, rather than to allow the intr.lduction ct rtn.fi•
tic.ttao.:s that might lead to making it reiinar. n..
Mr. PONSON BY did not led Liw clt b0....:111 tr.

vote for the Property Tar, because he had agreed to
the Address of the 7th April. He i•dici:lcd the :.let
of getting rid of the tax at the en.: .d the year. Ail
experience skewed, particularly the last Atneric.:r.
war, that nothing was so easy as to begin, anu ter
things s difficult as to terminate a war. It was idle
to suppose that this new war, in which we were about
to be involved, would soon be terminated.
!dr. Alderman ATKINS farther enforced the ne.
cessity of modifications, withota diminishing the
amount of the Tax.
Mr. W. SMITH recommended a Committee.
He thought it mucli more probable that the House
was saddling the country with the Property Fax for
ever, than that it would be withdrawn in a year. He
referred to the commencement of the ed American
war, which it was said would be ended in a week or
a fortnight, to prove the folly of supposing that the
war now about to be commenced would he ended in
a year, especially when the means which France pos-
sessed were so important, if a calculation were made
only of the prisoners returned. •
The House divided, when the numbers were—For
the Bill being read a first time, 78.—Against it, 17.
The Bill was then read a first, and 44.1ered to be
read a second time on Monday.
The second reading of the Alien Bill was then
moved, and the House was cleared for a division,
which, however, did not take
read a second time.
place.—The 13:11 was
• During the esclusion of strangers, Sir S. !sine:Yin
moved fc.r an AccoUnt of the Gross and Net Produce
of the Property Tax, distingui-hing the Districts and
Classes, for thefive years ending the sth kora, ISIS
The • CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved the previous question.
Mr. HUSKISSON opposed the motion, on the
ground that as much of the information as was useful
was before the House.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, that if the motion were put into another slive,
he should have no objection to the information being
laid before the Hoose.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, that to render that
information of any use; it would be necessAry that
the second reading of the Bill should be postpoiled;
otherwise no one but official persons. could see tnat
information before the House was called on to de-
cide on the second reading. • He. was .ot wedded to
the particular form of his motion, and snould be will-
ing to agree to any alteration to meet the wishes et
the Chancellor of the Exchequer.
Mr. GORDON thought the Administration Ades
to be accused of precipitation in the progress ut the
Property I'itx Bill ; and it could not fail to excite an
idea in 01 country that the Bill was precipitated 11001
the apprehension that the public voice would he
loudly raised against it. The Honourable Mem:w's
who had approved of the Bill, under the idea that
some modifications would be admitted, might see that
no such; modifications would be admitted, as the in-
formation n which alone they could be fonaded,
would, on account ot the precipitation with which the
Bill was hurried on, come too late to be of use.
After a few o4servarions between Mr. lit. aKissoN.
Mr. V. FITZGMALIIII, Mr. H. MARTIN, and Sir
NEWPO2T, the ir:viotts question was withdrawn, 41,1
the motion was agreed to for—" A return of the
Gross and Net Assessment of the Property Tax for
the five years ending April 5, 1815,
distinguisliing
the classe .".
Mr. GORDON asked, whether after all that had
1 been said the Chauce:loi of the Xltheeitier would