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PARLIAMENTART PR6CEEDIn GS.

HOUSE OF LORDS, FRIDAY, MAY is. .

Mr. Codringcou, Mr. Graham, ancl fevers! other Members of
the I+ ufe Cflmmont brought up four Private Bilk, which
Wert read a fiat time .

The Duke of NORFOLK reported from the Commitree ap-
pointed for lb2t!Mae. fireral Refulattons prop fed to he
adopted refpeding the admlflion of Perko' Into the High Court
of Parlimr.ent, which were agreed to.
Mr. trying, Infpedor General of Imports and Exports, pre-
tented feveral Accounts relative to the Slave Trade, which were
ordered to lie on the table.
LORD NI L SON.
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Lord GRENVILLE prefentcd • Meffsee from his Welly
refpeding making a proviflon for Earl Nelfon and the future Pof-
gallon of the Tltle.ik air Report o. f thr No. ir Of COMMIX'.
Lord GRENVILLE obterred, that there could be no differ-
ence of opinion upon this fubjedt ; but in conformity with the
Weal predict of the Houfe, he would now merely move, that his
INajefty's molt gracious Megage be taken into couGderation to-
morrow—Ordered.

JURISPAUDINCE OF SCOTLAND.
Lord GRENVILLE called the attention of the Houk to an
Important fubJed, which flood for this day, he alluded to the
notice which he had given of his intention to move certain (trio-
lotions refpeeling the pirifprudence of Scotland Every polfible
abligtoce had been ufeti„ but the bubsefs was not yet in that Rate
of for wardnef• which could enahle hint to futrodt the rt. fult to tte
Houle. It was alfn highly defirahle that previous to bringing for-
ward toy propofitinns on the fubjeCt, they thould be In •eflititeti
by thole learned pcdone, who were the bed qualified to give' an
replaMs Amu them. He bond therefore propofc to dlfeharge the
order for fummoning their Lordlltips, and renew it for Friday.
Oa. 9i June, with an underfianding that the luta lhould
• . .ke brought forward on that day. It was hr, intuition
. . tartan retentions which It might probably be ea-
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AM Houle to taketwo or three days to confider of be.
Anse to soy determination upon them, and early In the
talhquent felon, be propend to found a Bill upon them, if they
stiolpthitthair Lordbips concurrence.
The eider was difebarged, and renewed for Friday the fith of
• 3/8* .
IVIST.IIIDIA INTSRCIVORSI BILL.
"-"Theillentfe having relayed itfelf into a Committee on the Bill,
n'trati.I4AWKESBURY waited to limit the duration of the
3111. (or the pupae of leaving the febleCt open to itiveftigation ;
- laiminall thurtforo mom tam the sated of the expiration of the
. Aa. beediad fur to it at Pay sky. .
timid lENFOLK happortad the patwelple el the le, and ex-
. read Isitnklf Enmity M Omar of ealtivatint the moll friendly
'bitihnoude with the Uakedilhassof Amite&
' Lord SHEFFIELD, atittaidomMiklengds, opmfed the ran-
gnaw fa pregioant with very pia ilawger to the hipping trade of
OidatarEflob.
"isorsit AUGHLAND. MICRINGNAMMiIiti. and CAM-
IdARVON, the BA which woo offered by the Duke
a
The =on Lord Hawitehaey's maim, it was
tiritheama
Lord HOLLAND preltatidhvard pedtkips In favour of the
frfolihieFEß illowriw tidily farming Into a Committee on
. whialrhomarad ihnalli Is dollavid to Wednefday.
• Its Gall Whoa Ills were howl* ep from the Commons, and
mad I heft dim....-Adjourned tit ten o'clock LO-DIOITOW.
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HOUSE OF COMMONS. •
Mr. H. MARTIN took the oaths and his feat for Rinfale.
On the motion of Sir e PRICE, an account was ordered of the
numbtr of Britifh rebels, with their tonnage, from the iftooth of
January, 2790, to the ili of January, doe, dittinguithing each
year, and alto the ports at which they were built; as all° an at-
omic of MOM Ships in 184; and of the Pelee Ships, frost sth
tifitioary. dot, to the stb of January, ao6 ; as Woof the prize
twee r 793•
the motion of Lord TEMPLE, the (mord ending of the
Land Tax Conuniffianer's Name Bat, was poftponed tothis day
fe'nnight ; and the frond reading of the Tortola Free Port 818
tilt Thtuftby next.
The SECRETARY at WAR brought in the Mutiny Bill, which
was read a firft date, and ordered to be read a (amid time to
The trim Treafary Bills' MI, and the Id& Loan Bill, were Mad
a limed thee, sad ordeal babe committed to. morrow. The fur-
ther confidaratim tithe Report OD the bilh Butter Packing Bill,
was alb poltponad elf tesotwerow.
• Mr. POSTS& papaw! the f cond reading of the Foreign Li.
am Drawback an- drniorrdaT fennight.
IN CNALISLIS AND COWIL'S ?STATION.
Mr. W. SMITH, its wham= of the notice be had given, role
to move, that the Mho of Mars. Chalmers and Cowie be
referred to the Oreowitase al loyety.
Mr. HUSKISSON ohjohod.on the ground, that it was a rob-
in% of much =abstain:a ; rid thee the pnnted paper fur which
he bad moved, had may bows delivered to the Members of the
Haute in the Caulk of that morning. He added) that the Lords of
the Thaler. Older the late Adedniftiation, hid already deliver-
ed their globe on the fob's& ansilmi deterfalpadtadi `the
Peados. He hoped ha the matt* mold nut It an the
Hook plaid that Wedmilq would be deal* early
M its eardideration.
Mr. W. sum( fall, km. his wile to ha* opened the whole
mate le It Wont into • Committee, and than to have nteeced, that
the hen he waisted. The lishai. bad born 'hammed three times,
antitahhapon the whoa of the Hon. Gentlemen ; and be did
ant figigareito et any utwoadhar delay. It was true, that the pdnt-
snapper had only bolltildtemed that morning to the Members of
the Mule, but it was to tree, that it confifted of only twelve lines,
amd aired little 4db/rodeo. 1
• liti• LES LONG fald, that the Lords of the Trealury
• hartiatedered themblves boend to refit the application' and,
• liatithwis brought forward In the time of the late Admioiliration,
dkibpalthown would have met with no encouragement.
' Alen a few words from the CH ANCELLOR of the ERCHE-
Q_UrE.,
-Mr. STURGES BOURNE experffed his confidence, that no
precipitation would be employed on a queftion of this nature.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEOSJEIt would make no
objeßion to pofiponna the dlfeullion oath Wednefilay, if it were
Drone', urged on the other fide of the Houle, but he Mated few
no fidEclent motive for procratlnstion.
i After him: 'hither remark' from Mr. HUSIDSSON. Mr. Rose,
Mr. Wits/repose', and Mr. W. SMITII, the 11100011 was with-
'drawn, and the confideration of the petition was pottponed until
Friday next.
Mr. W. SMITH tali. that he preferred Friday to the earlier day
propaed by the Right Hon. Gentleman, in order that the fistried
might not be again deferred, and that no poffible t acute might be
received for the final deterodnation of the Hohfe. It had been
frequently the cafe, that when fobieeis were poßponed from week
to week. Gentlemen eonfidered that they were of no conferments :
this could not apply to the preterit fishjeet, which was of national
importance, as it affected the .onftdenee 'roofed by mercantile
Men In the Government of the country; end it was of no tar,D(a.
derable magnitude to the individuals immediately etneersed.
The Houle agreed ro defer the contuloation of the annul of
this petition until Friday ant.
Maligyt a w LLLLL LIT.
. Sir ARTHUR WELLESLEY rote, parfitant to
a notice be bad given, to move for certain papers,
which had reference to the fillip& of the charges
againA his Noble Relation. lie at the fame time
=oil alb of the Honourable Gentleman (Mr.
Paull) whether it was his intention 'to bring for-
ward the charge retpeeing the tranfaitions at 'Per.
ruckabad on Tburiday ? It would be perionally
snore coovertient to him that they Mould be pottpossed
WI nest week.
Mr. PAULL had no obi/talon to accomps4date
the Nonostrable Baronet; but as I.) the papers re.
tpeeing Bliurtpore, which had been twice ordered
by the Houle, and not yet produced, he lhonld
feel himfetf bound to nuke a motion, uniefi tome
very firong rearms were affigneci for their non-pro-
dudtion.
The papers then moved for by Sir Arthur Weller.
ley were grante,•—which were,
Para ,it Copy of a letter front the Court of Din-Clore, in their
itklicial capacity, to the Governor General, dated the 6th of July '
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Sato.lly, An EMMA of a Letter front the Remus Depot.
meat, dated the tsth September; 1803. o. the Oo►sanee Gabeffili
eirrefliee of tistir approbation.
hirdly, An Extra& of a Letter from the Court al.
In their public department, dated 3'h May. t ant •
As alto, kxtroets of Letters iron% the Beniall Goserelltdble,
their lair department, the* pub:ft 44:panatela, and their,
department; as alto, the Aide/errs thereto.
►tees Wit N lICINDIAH.

Mr. JOHNSTONETOi;, for 4;plirprife of alking'
a queftinn upon a fubjce which appeared to him of,
cool-Wei able importance. He under:lood, from au.
thority, on which he W.O. dirl.olEd to rely, that a let-
ter had been received from Lord Lake, Rating that
peace had been concluded with Scindiah, who had
retired to Dugeen, and &rating General Jones to
retire to Guzzerat, with the Bombay army, in con-.
fequence of this pacification. He was induced to
elk if this information was corral, becaufe it would
he fatisfaeory to the country to know that peace was
at length concluded with Scindiah, and from a fenfe•
of juflice to his Majelly's Minillers: for the Houk
would recollett, that tt had been told from the higheß
authority, that one of the fit II efts of his Majelly's
Minillers had been to recommend to his Moiety to
approve of the nomination of Sir George Barlow to
be Governor General ; and if this Gentleman, in
the fhort period of two months, had achieved fo inn.
portant an objee„ his Majefly's Minillers were ea.
titled to credit with the count, y, for the jun direr'.
mination of charafler they had ezercifed, when Sir
G. Batlow was advanced to In high an office.
Mr. CREEVEY faid, there certainly was an over.
land difpatch received lately from Bombay, which
mentioned the ditlreffes to which Holkar was re-
duced, and fomething like a peace with India ; but
there was no pofitive ilatement of a 'gamy.
LORD ST. •ItiCIINT.
Mr. SeeretaryWlNDHAM hoped the Honourable
Gentleman oppofite to him (Mr. Jeffery) would not
°Nee, on the ground of the inconvenience of rfoll-
poning motions, to delay a. little longer his motion •
refpeting the Noble Lord. ,Net only bit motion,
but the order for thc third reading of the Bill for
Repealing the Additional Force AS, flood for to-
morrow. If he could poßpone his motion on that
account, it would be a perfondt favour to him.
Mr. JEFFERY faid, he fhould certainly rather
poßpone his motion for another day, than that it
fbould throw any impediment in the way of a mea-
fore which he ctonceisled of fuch great tnsportance, se
this Bill. He fhould therefore content that his motion
fbould Rand for Wednefday.
When the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE-
QUER expreffed a .with that the nature of the charge
might be Bated, Mr. JEFFERY replied, that his
• chants was generally for mikondue, negke, and 'I
miftwanageenent of the Navy, while .his Lordihipl
prefided at the Admiralty. •,•
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sr tssacti reonl i RING..
The CHANCELLOR, Of the EXCHEQUER,
brought down a Meffage frobehls Majelly, wtioh
was to the following effect : • • •
" That his MIQYty, hewing taken trObx tab Ittifil Coolideration
the eminent and ►rchies perfortired by the her Len! VW'.
count Hellen, in a tong cowrie of WWI:a stehievemettts, but par-
ticularly ig the important Vicinity 'eft Cipe Trtifalgar, and being
&Brous to ewfer upon his family a greet and lifting mark of kb
approbation, fuch as might be eroreir to the &mins per.
formed, he therefore recommended esti AMA! Commons to
enable him to grant an Annuity of gerxeper annum to the Right
Hon. Earl Wien, for the term of his Mural life, and to fart of
his heirs as mould hereafter Mita* ibe title ; as silo the fum of
t =pool part of which to be appropriated for the purchafe of a
boufe lid !midi. to be annexed to the (aid title and dignity, and
further to be laid oat as might belt fait the family of the latoLord
Vifeount Nelfun.*
On the motion of the CHANCRLLOR of the
EXCHEQUER, the roeffage was ordered to be taken
into confideration to-morrow. -
On the motion of the Marquis of DOUGLAS,
an Account was ordered of the Balances in the
hands of the Receiver General of the Land Tax in
Scotland, (ince the gth of April 1798 ; as silo of the
Balances in the hands of the Receiver General of the
Caftans, and of the Cafhier of the Excite.
PROPERTY TARR.

' On the queßion being put for the Speaker's leaving
the Chair,
Mr. FRANCIS raid, that he had a Rrong (Nation
againa the bill in principle, which he did not think
' could be removed in the Committee. He did not with
that it &fluid be fuppofed of him, that be held diffe-
rent opinions, according to the differeatfide of tie
' Houfe he fat 00. It he oppofed the earbefore, his
' objeflions were now much Ranyithened, by the pews-
, lam of the tax being inereafed. Although this' tax
' was called a Property Tax, it was, to all intents and
purpofes, an Income • Tax. The Chancellor of the
Exchequer had already found confiderable difficulty
' in carrying the flrtl"fif his tax bills, and he apple.
heeded he would feel Rill more in carrying Mg pre.
fent bill, at leaß without great modifications. We
had now got to the life blond of taxation, And the
more taxes were laid, the lefs was got. He confider-
ed that, by great ravings in the expenditure, and a
rigorous collation of •the public revenue, more mo.
ney would be gained than by tiling new taxes. In
many branches of the collation of the revenue, there
were great frauds, which might he correlted by a
vigilant government. He alluded principally to the
Cufloms, Drawbacks, and Stamp Duties, It was an
old proverb in polities, that " of all (forces of re-
venue, parfimony is the bell." He thought that this
was a maxim which the prefer,' Gcvernment ought
not to tole fight of.
The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER
Paid, that on the principles of the Hon. Gentleman
himfelf, who condemned fo much the fyliens of
loans, it was neceffary to impofe confiderable taxes
in order to diminifh the amount of the loans.
Mr. WILLIAM SMITH agreed with the Hon.
Gentleman on the bench below (Mr. Francis) in
molt of his obiervations, nor was it neceffary for him
to add a word to what he had before laid on this
tax. But he rather differed from the Honourable
Gentleman as to the rigor',/,' «illation of the taxes.
—An impartial collation ought undoubtedly in- be
made, but the for-liter he mode, as well as in re, would
render the taxes ten times more opprtflive than at
prefent. He believed, however, that the Honoura•
ble Gentleman meant the fame thing by. the word
rigour, which he did by the word impartial.
Mr. FRANCIS agreed that what he meant was
an sand collation. 13y rigour he did Lot mean
cruelty.
Mr. FULLER wifhed, that if this Tax wag called '
an Income Tax, it Ihould be really one, and that they
Should not tax Country Gentlemen for what really
formed no part of their incomes. .

Mr. TY RWHTT JONES ma a few words ageing
the pripaiple of the Bill, but fhoold not oppofe its
going intoal, Committee.
The Houfe then refolved itfelf into a Committee on
the Bill. •
Sir ROBERT BUXTON objetted to the firft
Claufe. He Paid he never could perceive the reafon
why farmers were to be taxed in a different manner
from the other claffes of the community. Whether
the Tax were upon property or income, he thought
their profits (hould be ellimated in the fame way as
other traders.
Mr. VANSITTART raid, the reafon of the diffe-
rence was, that, from the great number of farmers,
and the imperfea manner moll of them leept their
accounts, it would be difficult, if not impoffible, to
judge oetheir profits, but by an average. The ave•
rage was not taken high, when it reckoned for profits
only a Sum equal to three-fourths of the rent paid.—
There were few farmers indeed who cleared fo little.
Mr. HOLT LEIGH contended, that, in a year
when the farmer might have met cafualties, or made
no profits, it was unfair that he Ibould be rated on
an average.
Mr. VANSITTART replied, that a produCtive
year would compenfate for that lots, and that, when
the avenge was low, it was a fair mode of compu-
tation.
Mr. FULLER writhed to know, why the Englifb
farmer ihnuld pay is. 6d. in the pound on his rent,
while the Scots farmer paid but a IbiUing
Mr. VANSITTART anfwered, that the rearm
was, that the rent of the Scotch farmer was higher,
as he was not burthened with tythes, or poor-rates,
and, therefore, it would not be fair ter take the -fame
proportion of thole different restio n the meant to
by pasd to the tax.*
After a (bort converfati on, the Clank was agreed to.
A very long cooverfation then took place on vari-
ous diodes of the Bill, of little general interell.
Mr. SPENCER STANHOPE objeled to the
clank requiringsperfons to give to the Affeffors a lilt
of all fuel' as were employed by them whether refs.
dent in their families.or not, who might be liable to
the tax.
Mr. ROBSON took the opportunity of the dant.
fion on this elude, to exprefs his difapprobation of
the kale on which the tax was formed, and thought
it.very hard that a man having only tool. a year,
with perhaps a wife and five children, &told be al-
lowed no exemption. He was proceeding farther
into a view of the general merits of the Bill, when be
was called to order. It was than agreed that the
chafe thould be re-tonfidered.
Mr. TYRWHIT JONES gave notice, that be
meant to propofe a claufe impofing a penalty on AI:
feffiirs making vexatious furcharges.
Sir R. BUXTON propofed a clank, granting to
landlords a dednelion of 8 per cent. from the tax on
income derived from houfes, and of 5 per cost. from.
it as affeaing income derived from lands, on account
of the repairs and improvements that were from time
to time necerary.
The chafe was-Supported by Mr. Stanhope, Mr.
Ballard, and Mr. Wilberforce ; and refilled by the
Chancellor of the Excliequer and Mr. Giles, on *
ground of the. entherraffment it would give to the
operation of the tax, compared with the trifling ad-
vantage which the landed intereli would derive
from it.
The dircuffion upon the clan& was carried to it.
Iconfiderable length, when the Committee divided,
and the numbers for the original claufe and ageing
the amendment were—Ayes, 129,-.Noes, 5 t—Ma.
jority, 78.
The next fubjea which excited interefling difkog
Goo was, the chafe which goes to fubjea to the tats
the profits arising from the public funds.
In this part of the bill an amending chute was
propofed by Mr. FRANCIS, who, agreeable to Mil
former intimation, propofed that the profits saki
from the inn re* upon Exchequer Bills; and any
other fpecies of fleeting public debt. Should be fob.
jelled to the tax, and liable to the fame Rapp:wet CM
the payment of thole bills, or the interefi thereon at
the Bank, as upon any other Species of Government
ieedrities. Mr. Francis Supported his proPofition by
Many clear and forcible arguments, to thew that ON
porry of that fpccies was as fair and as neceffary a.
iisieitt of taxation as any Species of feuded property
weld be.
"cite CHANCELLOR of the F•XCHEQIdEII;
afte;.fully admitting the fairnefs of the principles MIL
feired, that the State derived the propofed ;advantage
in another mode,_ though not in the precife for
tsfuggefled by the Firmourable Gentleman: for a.great
part pf the property in Exchequer Bills being the
hands of the Direaors of the Bank of England, and
of peiyate bankers and reputable merchants who,
it was to be prefumed, would make an bonell and
corset return of their aggregate profits in the year,
would, of courfe, return the intereft on thole bills as
a part of their income. The tax would operate this
way in a manner lefs vexatious, than in the ordinary
mode of deducing from the interells upon the bills,
as paid off.
It was, however, argued in reply, by Mr. FRAN-
CIS, Mr. W. SMITH, and fame other Members,
that the more regular way, and the bell feeurity
againft evafion, would be the mode adopted in the
cafe of all other funds ; and, that while no difadvan.
tage whatever could arife to the fair holder of float.
ing funds from the propofed arrangement, the Noble
Lord and the Houfe were bound to take the bet fr
entity in their power on behalf of the public, for the
regular payment of the tax, and for the prevention
of all attempts to evade it.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
thought the arguments of thole Honourable Mem-
bers entitled to every degree of refpea and deference,
and iegnelled to have time for further confederation,
not doubting that he &mild be induced to adopt
them. The fubjea was therefore postponed to a fu-
ture flap of the Bill.
The next claule which excited arduous difeuffion
was that for exempting from the tax the property of
foreigners in the Funds. This produced a debate of
much length and intereft.
Againft the exemption, it was argued, that Fo-
reigners had purchated in our l'und,, in preference
to iliac of any other nation in Europe, becaufe of
the Superior Security, and the inviolable faith which
the Britilh Government had always kept with the
• The proper anrwer to tbs. gueition is, That by the Articles of
the Union between the two Kingdom. the Land Tattoo( Scotland
ars always to be reftrieltd ene.thiriled, than thole al England.