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London, England, 1809-02-11 00:00:00

Ife hit duty to s . tiggt. Whiolt7in* now relate ?A. I had Oven ilead-ache,
ler in 'which it could dtredt Mi •to filial lam subject, and Aichnirects 'by tneinory.
rocessioft most confelismilitywi'. same tine I cAd think of it, .but :as I wss
lament,leerythe grotirids ,not asked about it, and was ill, I wished rebore...to
4:child protect to examine Cie-. withdraw, than to reltiaintontentionit.--e. Axe you
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would irregular and unpar now suffering under the same. affection ?A. not now.
'that :Op= tertrat Setter 10 any Tfol-theCimmcattea-oTthe EsteissierEoin. it. Then
lsequently, could not be placed it was Merely froth a defect of memory arising from
I.lt if any Member should declare yourhea-Lache that you didnot state this circurnstance
Itni.* that General Clivering to eleTorineemstance was from What .1 felt
teat the fai, it would then be at being .brciught to the Bar of this noose, .where I
!onsmittee to proceed to the eza- 'had never been before, that I omitted to state
Q. Did you recollect this circumstance:at the time
you weie here before on a former night? A. I had
a recollection of it, though not of the :..tan of the bill,
but I have since recollected that it was .XlOO.
By Mr. EDEN. Q. Did you knoW before you came
here, to what you were to be examined .? A. No.—
Q. Do you recollect at vilwit Lour the Duke of York
set out for Weymouth ? A. At one o'clock in the

n made in the minutes, that on a
ted that it was known to him that
ied to be eianined, Gen. Claver•
, be examined.
,wever, that Gen. Clavering was. not
upon which Mr. Pierce was called

nt )Do yott recollect the period
. Highness the Duke of York and
:own in June, 1005 ? A. I do.
wing moved that the witness should
1, that as the witness had been cx-
:h respect to ate hank-note, the re-
tceeding would be to have his for-
to him, and then to ask him if he
explanation Of it.
.ELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
le proper mode to examine the wit-
with a view to his giving evidence
-ectly contrary to what he had given
ninxtion. In a corrt of justice a
tit- the guilt of perjury, by SweAr-i
:ontrary of what he had sworn on'
•ced, therefore, with his Right Hon.;
most correct mode of proceeding:,
his former evidence read to the wit)
t an opportuairy to explain it.
READ contended, that according to
7tice of Committees of that House, al
'ithout being guilty of perjury, car-
ient day his evidence given on a for-
greed, however, that the best mode of!
td be to read over the formerievidence,
id allow him to altererr amend it.
R'NE insisted that .there never had!
, in which a witness had been called
7mq-ice with a view to comet any rna-
formes. evidenct.
INE denied that the witness sera's to
to s.tate, that.what he had before de-,
but in oraer to supply what lie had i
former examination, in consequence:
:ad-ache.
,AM observed that the 'Committee was
ground, and that it was bettetto defer
in the witness's testimony until they'

'nu It ST stated, that it could not yet
the witness would be guilty of preva-
!hood, nor could that be known until
q- what he had to say.

;as
:The witness will attend to the evi.:
in the course of the reading of it, he
illy thing which he may wish to correct
to make the correction.
:e given by the witness on the former,
g the Bank note, which he there stated
:o Lodowick to get changed, was read,
t)IMAN asked, if'r there was any part
hich the witness had just heard read, in
!cl to make any alteration or addition ?
atioil. On the night when the Dnke of
.4,-eymouth. about 11 o'clock, I was
a Bank Bill changed. I went ol,t and
.o Clarke ; *rooked over it, and

rigllt. .
.h.L. ();. Do you add any thing else to
? A. rile Doke of York was present
,rte wave me the note, and received the
0

ot-rtN E. Q. With whom have you had
~n respecting the evidence you gave
.. With nobody•—Q. Have you spoken
bout it ? A. With nobody.
-

mou seen Mrs. Clarke since ru gave
here lately ? A. No, I have not.
iu see Mrs. Clarke when you retired
on a former night ? A. I just saw het 1
w. • She bowed her head, and said,l
d I said, " I haVe been examined,
Ma-
id she say any thing else ? A. No. I
p. .
ositive that no other person has spoken;
evidence which re gave on a former'
ato any holy ? A. I met Lbdovic in
he sail to me, I must be mistaken in

I gave.
,at all that passed between you and Lot
That was all that passed IfezwPen him:
'pt that he said there was a Bill'btonghe:
1, by the girl, by order of Mts. Clarke,
d, and he thought 1 rw4gl-.1 makea mit.,
;poet to that Bill. ...
luEn. Q. Did you write a letter to Mr.-
it the evidence yoii gave.? A. I called
Ale, and told "him about the hilt -Which
ed from .Mrs. 'Clarke and set changed
:old him I had done 4.—Q. What wai
of the bill Which you got changed? A. \
is 4:100, but lam not certain..-Q. Do
to your former eeidence, That you have
I.no person upon this 'subject ? A. I have
to • any person about it...A2. *here did
bill changed ? A. I. got it ehauged it
Ind Bridgeman's, confeClionert, in Vere-J,
hink Bridgeir,an and his Wife Changed. it
!. Did you try to get The bill eltstaged any ;l
?—A. I went to the milliner's, in Bond-
'
. tried there.—Q. How.leng is it.si. co yak
Clarke's service ? -- A. Three years.—Q.
t seen Mrs. Clarke since you quitted her
A. I .never saw her sineo, all I taw ter •
.—Q. Did yOu not see. her a an' or two
the day on which you Were eianitnediiere?
I' before .she 'sent to Me, and I went totter ,•
her in her carriage in Biker street ; .0;1
whether Ptementhered the bill Which was'
Loclowicla to get Changed ; andl told her
id remember •a bill %via& I took to get

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•Li FOIASTONE. Q. Row JO-yon atcoutf
irr giving itur col eon a farrier iSca-
you did not recollect the circnoutance

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morning.
Q. By Mr. layeLen.—Did you know, when you
were last at that Bar, that you were to tell truth ?
A. 'have told the truth to the best of my recollection.
and the answers thereto to be read. They were then
By Mr. 13a elle:M.—l .ddsite the two-first questions
lead accordingly. Q. How could you have stated
that you spoke to nobody on this subject to-night,
when ou afterwards admit that you spoke to Mr.
Wardley and Lodowitik upon it ? A. I did not mean
what 1 said then. - • • i
By Colonel VEREKER.—Q. How can you reconcile
that /our memory is perfect as to every other part of the
transaction, and yet very imperfect as to the amount
of the note which you had to get changed ? A. I am
not certain as to the amount of the note, any more
• than to the best of my recollection it was 4100.
Q. By a Member—Do you know bliss Taylor ?A.
I have stem Miss Taylor et Mrs. Clarke's.
1 Q. Was she there frequently ? A. She was there
'frequently..
'Q. Was Miss Taylor there when the Duke of York
was there, and in his company ? A. I believe not.
I have never seen her in his company. She might'
have been in the house whilst he was there.
'Q. Was she usually paree.of the company when his
Royal Eialiness the Duke of York was in Gloucester
Place ? . A. I never saw her in company with the
Dake cif York.
Q. Was she very intimate with Mrs. Clarke ? A.
She was, I believe, very intimate with Mrs. Clarke.
The witness having been ordered to withdraw, on
the motion of Mr. SHERIDAN, that. Right Hon.
Member observed, tlnit. the Committee ought t. be
very tender'in admitting insinuations against the vera-
city of a witness under examination at their bar. He
instanced the question put by an Honourable Mem-
'bet opposite (Mr. Fuller) ~ whether the witness did
ndt know he was to tell truth i" as an attempt to
cast a reflection upon the credibility of the person
under -examination, which the Committee would not
fail to discounten.ence ; arid when proceeding to corn-
. ment upon the course that had been pursued, was
called to order by
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER,
who thought it unusual to order A •v..itnevi to withdraw'
that the Committee might receive a lecture upon the
course of examination. If such a proceeding were
to be acquiesced in, no progress could be made with
the enqniry. • He would recommend to Gentlemen
to abstain from all comment upon any part of the
evidence until the whole.• should be gone through.
—He had not interrupted the Right- Honourable
Gentleman out of disrespect,- but in order that, by
.putttng a stop to ..premature discussion of detached
parts of the evidence, they might have some prospect
Of coming to an end of the enquiry,
I%;r. SHERIDAN had not been commenting on
the evidence, but oir the 'nude of examination ; and
insisted that, if a course which he considered impro-
per should he resorted to, Tie had a right to observe
upon it. As to the note, they could easily satisfy
themselves upon that Lead, by referring to Messrs.
Lightwood and Bridgman, who were said to.havc
given change for it.
Mr. FULLER attempted • to procure a .hearing
in vain, amidst the cries of 6, Go on ! go on !;)
A short conversation then took place, upon a sug-
gestion made by Sir CHARLES BURRELL, that
every Member should continue standing whilst lie
was examining any witness at the bar. But a
motion pursuant to the suggestion was withdrawn,
it being understood that the Chairman Was to ascer-
tain and intimate when any Member was dune exa-
mining, before any other Member should enter on the
examination of a witness;
The witness was again called in and examined.
Q. By Mr. Gione—.Are your head-aches such as
iu require medical aid ? A. No.
Q. By-Mr Lusitteoroe—Q. What do you under-
stand to be the real profession of Miss Taylor ? A.
She is quite a stranger .to me.
Q. By Lord FOLKENTONE—Do you recollect Miss'
Taller dining in company with Mrs. Clarke at Glou-
cester Place ? A. Yes, I do,
Q. Did the Duke of York ever dine there at the
same time ? A. No.
The witness was then ordered to withdraw.
GENERAL CLA NIERiNC: called in.
Q. By the ATTORNEY GENERAL—aid you send
in a letter tome ? A. 1 did.—Q. Desiring, that pelt
-might be examined as a'witness at the bar? A. Yes.
Q. When did you first -know Mrs. Clarke ? .A.
About six years•ago; I don't recollect the preeisctime:
Q. For what purpose did eim call at Mrs. Clarke's
house recently? A. In consequence of a report I
had heard-in town, that every person with whom Mrs.
Clarke had ever had any conversation, would be
breeught to the bar of this House to establish her ve-
racity. On hearing this report, I sent a letter to an
Honourable j,4ember of this House (Colonel Wardle)
of which I have a -copy, which, if it be the pleasure
of he House, I shall .read.
The letter was in snlestance to this effect : •
4' In eatesesittence of :its toying been intimated to General Cla-
vering that Mrs..Ciarite had given to Colonel Wardle a list of
penotli Who were tote called= to in= testimony toter ctedi-
tility, he begged that his name might be etrsitged twin the tat,
es be was a faintly man; •sted al.° if he wet* celled on;. his 'evi-
detree would go tb ftiplEatit her veracity, si she hail yin; rately
told him first she wasitrider-the .protection of and lived ivida
Mr. 11;;fallaa:" - •. . .
Flav:sig :read 4sat Defter; General tLxrEirroliraeeeded to atutir;'tliatEiat. had wailed o# Colonel-Witt-
-4115, tetittAmed.toltWo th!litlepo xi -the. letter,. aid,
his us:along would. mpeach' kr.
'further Infaiireiratiitni Itisti ii":- hi tt
*ire' clinaL.o*
Clark‘ii credit ;

because it was tot. a month since she had told iota
she lived with Mr. Mellish: After leaving Ccloncl
Wardle's house,
,he had • to pass by that of Mr-.
'Clarke's in his way home, and thought it might he cf
service to call there also. But when he went there
she was denied to hini on the ground of her being ill;
-beetle- was met},- that -if he returned in twn
hours, he might' see her. Inc said it would not be in
his power to till at doe time, and was informed, that
Ills. Clarke would dine at home at five o'clock. Be
had caned at a quarter past five, but
she would not
see .him,.and• the purpose of his visit wan to inform
her, that if she should call upon him, he would
be under ale necessity of stating what he then had
thelonour to state.
Q. . Is there any thing else arising out of the evi-
dence of Mrs. Clarke of yesterday, which you have
teen, and may wish to. explain ?
. On this question, the witness was ordered to wits-
draw ; and on the motion of Mr. ADAM, that part :f
Mrs. Clarke's evidence, of yesterday, which relaie, is
the visit of General (layering at •her house, eels is.h.
when it appeared, that Mrs. Clarke had there sta.,;,
that she would not see Geoeral Clavering ; Iho
Anal candidly admitted, that on that point thhe
was rim the contradiction he stmposed, betweon tiia
evidence of the witness and the evidence of Mv::.
Clarke.
General CLAVNIUNG agel,, examined by the ATTORNEY-
GENERAL.
Q. Is. there any thing else, which you welsh' wis:i
to state to. the House ? A. If I may rely on the i,.
ports in the Morning Papers—
CHAIRSIAS.—" 'I am to inform the witness, that it
is contrary to the usage of this House to allow ;eh
references of she description alluded to by him."
A. If lam to believe what I have heard, it has
been said that I had spoken to au Hon. Menthe; of
this House, with a view to influence his vote upon a
particular question in this House. I declare to ate
House, that, to the best of my recollaction, I never
spoke upon the subject to that Honourable Member,
Besides, that was perfectly unnecessary, because tha;
Honourable Member voted on that occasion on the
sane side in which he always voted.—Q. Did you
ever represent that you had influenced that mice
vote on that occasion. A. Never.
Q. (By Mr. StIERIDAN.) Did you exert your ir.
fluence to bring Lord Jubn Campbell from Scotlacd,
in order to vote for the Defence Bill; about the er,:
of the year IEOS, or the beginaiiig of the year 16C:=3!
A. To the best of my belief and recollection, I sieve
wrote 11C0r spoke to him on the subject.
Q. Have you at any time, during your acquaz
tame with Mrs. Clarke, promised to send her recur
mendations for any officers ? A. Never. But her;
is necessary for me to explain my answer. Abe:
six Weeks ago I received a letter from Mrs. Clsri
informing me of her wish to see me. Accerdiehlr
waited op, her, When site told me that she tray e:
tremely anxious to get promotion for a your.,- rn:
of the 20th regiment. She stated also, that his Re:
Highness amcMr. Greenwood were very desirous
have this young man pronioted.. She told me of
regulation which had lately been made, by whicl
letter from a Member of Parliament or a Gene.
Officer to Colonel Gordon, would be sufficient
procure promotion for thy person recommended.
did not know of this regulation, and stated to l
that I must know something of the character of
p::rson before I would recommend. Accordin
two days after :Mrs. Clarke inclosed to me a le:
from Lieut.-Colonel Russ, of the 420th, stating t
the young man was a worthy character. In e
to ascertain whether this letter was really from C:
nel Ross, I went to Greenwood's, and was infor.r.
there that the signature was his. Having hoe:.
formed that Lieutenant Sumner was nephew of
Sumner, Member for Surrey, 1 wished that he stn
write a letter to me on the subject. I accordi:
received a few days after, a letter dated Temple,
signed something Sumner, which was so absurd,
I sent it back to Mrs. Choke with a note, acqta
ing her that if she meant it as a joke, it was a s
bad one. A few days after, I had another lc
which I have in my pocket, from a Mr. Sum
stating himself to be the brother of the Lieuten:
but of this I took- no notice, io consequence of
absurdity of the former letter.
[The letter was then given in and read. It.
dated Jan. 17, 1809, and stated the conduct and
ratter of Lieut. Sumner, in the 20th ; mentioi.e.
with to obtain a company in the rith, arid rev
the recommendafion of Gen. Clavering to the C
mander in Chief.]
hsat»inatioa continued.—Q. (By I. Shi
Did Mrs. Clarke represent to you who the Mr.
nor was from whom this letter came ? A• I 17:
formed at the first interview that he was the r.e:
of Mr. Sumner, a Member of this House.—Q.
nem o no wrote that letter ?
Ci'lAttmaN—The object of this question is o-)
whether you• know the r er,o. .1s wrnt, ti:.' ho
A. I worth knew him ; but this evening I
been informed there is r.O such person is: cxt.Atisc
c 2, (By Sir T. Tuicrox.) What ;nessage, a
whom ,did you leave it, at Mrs. Ciake's whet
called up-so her ? A. I . left no (Cr message
that llt cqlliq upon her at .a.quarter past. EiVI
time which she had appointed.
Q. Did the Gentleinan. Who NV3S with you
• any message in yotir hearing ? A. There w
one with me.—O. Not either of the time,. you I
upon tier? A. On: the second time, I said
servant, that it . was very -extraordinary that
Clarke should Wave gOnh out at t time `she`
appointed Me to meet her.-Q.. Did You le:
anessoge relative to the purpOserfor wliicla you •
on her ?• A. I left 04.1 me.s.sage but what l
statedi—u-Q. Did she tell you that she lived wi
Mellish,. the Member for Middlesex ? A. Site
say the Member fix .Mlddlesex.--Q- Have y
and What reason to know, that she is :under tin
tectihn'hf Mr. Mellish ?. A. 1 appeal to thi
noise-Atli House, and the, siinutes of its prom
Q.:144-61A tindergand you to say, that you h:
. Other-ham* -h? isripeach the,credlilit.y of Mrs.
than that.she told Itou she wissaLnder the ref
of Mt. *Mellish ? 'A. Not *it I am aware
• Haire you any te.vott but what you have
ihrar. 4 .4 itnpeach her testimohyi or to cons:
izaireatity of belief A. I certa7nly do not GI
.. • , ,y, -m ~
her wormy, the :Wanner. iii which she :
:3pol•me, aOtk,thejvahiety 4 crass Odcnce ‘k,
aplieaislo have kiiistri bao"iiiiiis 14cooariVe
The' witness was ordered to withdraw •; al;