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property ; the respective numbers of Catholics and
Pcotestants may he 4,200,000 to 1,801,000; but I do
aot overstate it w hen I say, that notwithstanding this
displopottion, the property in the hands of the Protest-
:lra% is as tiventv to one. Same have asserted, that it
is fifty to mie, bat I do not think it is neat to that!
amount. After equal capacity of office shall have been
riven to all, the religion of the great minority is to
rennin the teliginn ot the State. lam told that it is
perfectly sate in Ireland to admit the professors of all
!elisions to the enj ment ot the same privileges, and
alter this has been accomplished, the Protestant Church
is still to be retained. I know several Honourable Mem-
oeis, and among them the Member for Montrose (Mr.
1 lunn:,) who contend that it is impossible. On this
voint he agrees with me ; for over and over again he
I.a: argued that it is a mere mockery to suppose that
the Roman Catholics will he sari Sed with a Protestant
ch Establishment. They will constantly endea-
vour to recover the power they have lest by overturning
a sys:ern which they view with ether eyes than ours.—
is not necessary for me to say that 1 would disbelieve
a Roman Catholic on his oath—Goo forbid; I do not
say so—on the contrary,• I will put him ten the same
tooting with the Protestant, and admit, that in all the
relations of ptivate life he is as valuable a member of
society. But supposing him true to his own. principles,
and to possess the ordinary feelings of man, he can-
not look with a friendly eye upon those events which we
are accustomed to reverence, and upon that system of re-
ligion which has grown out of therm Can he regard the
item, mation, for instance, with the feelings of a Protest-
aet-? My Right Hon. Friend says, you tied that at the
Revolution, the danger to be apprehended was from a
Roman Catholic King. What did you do then? Why,
y pas'ed a law that the King of England should be
la conformity with the law of England. But there
was a danger of another kind in the reign of Charles
11: Charles 11. was a Protestant, and it was not until
his death that it was discovered that Charleoi. was.{
My` Right Honourable Friend says, if the evils that
threatened us in the reign of Charles 11. are 'at an
end, why not remove your restrictions in this case?—
We are told in that very Petition, that the professors of
the RoMan Catholic faith in England and Ireland ex-
ceed 'in numbers the members of the Established
Church. Be it so; then if this individual comes into
this H sine with all the asperity of the religion in which
he has been educated, and which it has been said, is a suf.
ficient reason for his adhering to it—has all the in-
fluence which his personal character gives him—he is
placed at the head of a party—and it is said, is the
Crown to say, although you are a man of powerful
abilities, yet I must shut you out—after you have capa-
citated him to become Secretary of State or First Lord
of the Trea-tny, is the Crown to turn round and say, I
cannot admit you? Is that the way to conciliate this
man ? But suppose, Sir, the Crown employs him .in
its service, io what situation do you place him ? Can
he exercise a sound discretion in regard to those mea-
sures which relate to the safety of the Church of Eng-
land? It appears to me he cannot give a safe
judgment, and therefore I exclude him. He ttusts
to the Crown to employ him, but the Crown re-
frees the ticket of admission you have given him.-H
Then, Sir, an Ito be told that I ant insulting the pro-.
festors of this faith, if I admit that I view the tenetst
of such a teligion with distrust ? I have a right to look
to the infloeace which it possesses over the minds of
men ; and, I do say, I view with jealousy the re:admis-
sion of the Roman Catholics to office. It is most ex-
traordinary we should be taunted in this way now, when,
up to this hour of the debate, we have not heard one
word on the subject of those securities which used to'
form so 'considerable a part of the Catholic professions.
Are you content, I ask, to give us those securities utich.
are taken by all other Sates in Europe? I believe
there is not a State that admits their professions, that
does not keep a direct controul over their appointments.
When I bear that the nature • of the Roman Catholic
religion is changed, I must say, after a pretty accurate
review of what passes in Ireland, and I say it in no
unfriendly spirit, that the Church would have con-
sulted its own dignity much better, if it had avoided
several publications that have lately appeared. When
doctrines with respect to miracles were now promul-
gated with all the illumination of .the nineteenth cen-
tury, they certainly must have a powerful influence
over the minds of those who believed iu them. It is
unquestionably a very comfortable and accommodating
doctrine; and I hold in my hand a publication, signed
J. K. L. which proceeded from Dr. Doyle, in which he
gives to the Roman Catholics of Ireland accounts of
various miracles. I will, with the-permission of the
House, read—(Cries of " No, no," and " Read, read,"
mingled aith laughter front the Opposition Benches).
I think it material that those who laugh at it should
know something about it. [Here the Right Honour-
able Member proceeded to read several accounts of
miracles contained in the work referred toj. This
certainly is veiy ridiculous; and I do think the Catho-
lic Church would have consulted its dignity much
better than by putting forth such trash in 1825. And
what is the argument deduced from these miracles ?
Whs, that their's is the only true Church, and that no
other Church can stand in competition with'such power
as But my friends say, "we never hear from the
Pope a do. trine that can give the least alarm." But
he held in his hand a book. printed by one Richard
Coyne, ado ressed to the Roman Catholic Prelates,
which was styled, " a book replete with truth and
wisdom." In that book the Pope, speaking of the
able Societies,. described them as the waters of the
deluge, and speaking in his own person, he says,
" Again we exhort your courage. The power of tern-
poral Princes will, ue trust in the LORD, come to your
assistance, whose ;Merest is concerned ; for is would
never happen' that the things that are Cxsai's would be
given to Cassar, it the things that are (ion's were not
given elf Goo." Now a letter of this kind, talking of the'
temporal power of other Princes coming in to suppress
Bible" Associations, appears to nee to hold out a doctrine
as monstrous es can well be. .1f there were anything:,
wanting, which *would call upon me to express my
decieed.opposition to the Catholics, it would be the ad-
roiviiinforletters of this sort, published by the aotho-
rity of die Roman Catholics in Ireland, containing pas-
sages et- this *de.cription. My belief is, that after they
ot-Xoioed those privileges which they seek, they would
fan cease in their endeavours, bat would still struggle
_ of religion. The granting of
would not allay the fervour of their
obtain a supe'iority. I have heard
iber for Queen's County declare,
peaceable. ' Re says, however, that the
aUirclpes, goo liftim, the other falling,.
VandDl - measures. I should
• with them con-

essioos they will never be satisfied, and I bel.tve I might say on
their disposition, in the tangent of the Poet— •
64 &Otto et* heights the restless wi•bels
Claim leads to clans, and power advances more."
I do a,suse the House, that at bean l can have no per-
sonal or assignable interest against the Catholics, ,but I
am convinced if the correctness of the course I adopt,
from a belief that the welfare of the country demands
my opposition. I will say what course ought to be pair•
sued by the Legislature, if the Catholics Change their
sentiments. I think it would be just that everything
in the flume of a Penal Law ought to be repealed. 1
think the. Roman Catholics ought to have every fair
piotection, ought to enjoy every libes ty, and ought to
he allowed the possession of property, and ought to,
enjoy in every respect the same privileges as other sub-
ljects, and I am as anxious as any one to quiet all feelings of irrita-
tion, and to put an end to these dissensions. Ido not refer to au-
thority on this occasion, as rite ground of my apposition; bat with-
out dwelling on any points as to the unfitness of time, or *ammo
of manner, I object to this measure on the principle of consistency,
which I have uniformly and constantly pursued, because I am con-
vinced, for the reasons stated, that the concessions sought are utterly
incompatible with the welfare of this kingdom—( Hear, hear).
Mr. BROUGHAM proceeded to address the House
in support of the motion. He adverted to the unan-
swered and unanswerable speech of „the Right Honour.
able Attorney-Genes al for Ireland, and the speech of
the Right Honourable Secretary for Foreign Affairs,
which evinced more force and effect, concentrated in a
small space, than he bad ever heard before. The Hon.
and Learned Gentleman went on to cos.tend, [bat it
was folly in these days to deny that the exclusion of
the Boman Catholics from all that was splendid, dig.
nified, and honourable in the State, was felt by them.
The State frowned upon them, and the portals of honour
and dignity were shut upon them. It was said they had
euotsgh when the elective franchise was given them.
But they could not be elected. To illustrate this prin-
ciple, suppose the Whigs were told that their creed was
a damnable heresy, which led to anarchy, treason,
stratagem, and spoil, and that in consequence they must
not elect each other, but might elect their open ene-
mies, the Tories—(A lough)—would this be fair? The
same it would be, if Oxford and Cambridge were told
that they muse elect intelligent men from St. Andrew's or Aber-
deen, but not from their own narrOw-minded bigotted society.
What did their measures against the Catholics shew, but that they
were afraid of them. Then his panacea for this state of things was
to admit them to the Constitution, when the danger would end.
Then they would no longer go to sleep, haunted by the natural
dread of a nightly explosion. If the Catholic Claims met with a
new rejection, it would place the whole country in jeopardy. In
conclusion, the Hon. and Learned Gentleman earnestly exhorted
the House to take the opportunity of granting these claim% while
the Catholic Association Hill was pending in the other House. If
they did so, it would terminate all dissensions, and make the mea-
sure sefe—( Hear, bear).
Sir C. FORBES (amidst loud cries of Question) declared his op-
position to the motion. He had supported the Catholic claims for
thirteen years, but he now gave It up, not wishing to place himself
in the fame of the O'Coonsils, the Skids, aid the Colthetts of
the present day.
After a few words from Mr. C. Pinatas, Sir F. Huebert briefly
replied, and the Mouse then divided—
For the Motion 247
Against it 254
Majority la favour •
The announcement of the amber, was received with cheers.
The Home went into the Committee preferred% and leave was
given to bring in a B;11 pursuant to the Resolutions.
Mr.Seeretary PEEL stated that the opponents of the Eli would
take their stand upon the second reading, which it was miderstood
would not take place till after Easter.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at Mime-ran Taxis.
DEATH of the HON. -F. ASHLEY COOPER.


In the Sri►a of yesterday we had the painful duty to
announce the death or a son of the Earl of Shaftesbury,
in a pugilistic contest, and we subjoin the details of this
melancholy catastrophe.
Sunday last, about two o'clock, two young Gentlemen, Colle-
gians of Eton, the Hon. F. A. Cooper and Mr. Wood, were in the
play ground, when some words arose between them, and they
pushed each other; they proceeded to blows, and had fought for
several minutes, when the Captain came up and separated them.—
It was subsequently determined by the belligerents, that they should
meet on the following afternoon and terminate their differences by
a pugilistic contest, a custom prevalent among the scholars of ES"
and indeed of all other Public Schools; and the conqueror always
tenders the band of friendship to his defeated adversary. In ask/
instance the majority of the scholars were present to the witness
battle, and the combatants stripped to the buff, at four o'clock
on Monday afternoon, and commenced fighting. Mr. Cooper
was smaller in stature than his opponent, his age was under IS
years, and his opponent, who was half a head taller, was nearly 17.
—Mr. Wood bad the advantage in point of strength, but the
quickness and precision of Mr. Cooper were remarkable for cue
so young, and he declared that he would never give in. In the
Sth, 9th, and 10th rounds, be became weak and exhausted, and,
it was then evident be was not a match for Mr. Wood, and be
ought to have been taken away. Some of the " backers" bad
brought a quintity or brandy in bottles into the field, and the
second of Mr. Cooper, in the eleventh round, poured a coneida►
able quantity down Mr. C.'s throat, and he recovered his wind
and strength. The young men continued fighting from four dl
nearly six o'clock, and when they were ha a state of exhaustioo,'
they were constantly plied between the rounds with neat brandy.
It is stated, that Mr. Cooper drank, duriug the fight, considerably
above half a pint of the spirit. They fought about sixty rounds,
and at the end of the last round, Mr. Cooper fell very heavily upon
his head, and never spoke afterwards. He. was carried off the
ground to his lodgings, at the house of the Kev. Mr. Knapp, by
his brothers, who were present at the fight. lie was put to bed;
but no medical assistance was sent for tin four hours afterwards, a
short time before he expired. Yesterday morning, the Secretary
of the Earl of Shaftesbury arrived at Eton, and took away the
deceased's two brothers. About one o'clock yesterday, Colonel
Wood arrived at Eton, and evinced much sorrow at the event
which had taken place. The Coroner, who received intelligence
of the death •of the deceased by an express messenger, arrived at
the Christopher Inn, at Eton, at two o'clock yesterday, and a Jury
(which had been previously summoned) assembled to hold an
INQUEST ON THE BODY.

The Jury being sworn, they, with Mr. Charsley, the Coroner,
proceeded to the boas* f the Rev. Mr. Knapp, and viewed the
body. The temples, eyes, and sipper part of the cheek bones
were very black, and there were other external marks of violence
about the ribs, breast, &c. The Jury having returned to the room
at the Inn, the Coroner asked the Constable to bring forward his
witnesses? He said that be had no evidence at band ;be certainly
had inquired amongst the Collegians, but they were not inclined to
give him any:information on the subject of theong Gentleman's
death. There were several Masters of the College in the Jury-
room, and crowds of scholars in the Inn yard, sod the Coroner di-
rected the constable to bring in any Gentleman who witnessed the
light except the seconds. The following evidence was then taken
Christopher Teesdale sworn t lam a student at Eton College;
I knew the deceased; be is the son of Lord Shaftesbury, and I
know. his antagonbt, Mr. Wood, the son of Colonel Wood. On
Sunday last, about two o'clock, I was in the play-ground, and'
saw the deceased and Wood pushing each other; I don't know
the cause of the fracas; the first blow that I saw struck was given
by the deceased, aid it was returned by Wood ; they fought for
several minutes, and being separated, I heard it was afterwards
agreed between doom that they should fight it out nett day.
I vie present at the battle. I saw them set-to *about the hour of
four o'clock yesterday afterooon. I seconded one ofihem for about
six rounds. • I picked Wood up and rubbed his hands. There was
no absolute second for Wood, any one present, who Was on Wood's
side, picked hint'up when be fell. -
Mr. Carter one of the Under Masters of the College, said, that
we part of the scholars took part with Wood, and the with
Cooper they called it " backing up" the combatants.
Comma—You did take a part In the fight ?—Yes, the same as
other boys present. '
Coaorota—Were there any foul blows struck ?—I saw none;
but it was said by Cooper's party that there were several. I took
Wood's part • I backed him up. The deceased was about fourteen
. years old. The boys were fairly matched at first, but Cooper's


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idesfrid Slaws desist the lightv eardamns papaliftese, kirks
rearsobo; is Mee WWI 01 t 4 alihts,er9R.• Oft*
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Jam time of the eastwitroodir'abletdie
: Did the &awed Ns AieeePAW the frit
.airtay eir‘lbiberartround about bait a minim;
~.Conner t Did the Mow splint tw occasion meek ',the
diseased? Yes, he was hurt, and there were .bad' from
Wood's pa/thin tonsespance if his being the beet.-.Commer : In
year apl was it whit is Made Pik fight ?inn there no undue
edvastagitelies by say of du:parties? It was a falr %ht.... Juror:
Was SW play amp sib* parties ?—Curriner : That is the re.
per rperetien. I saw
.M it advantage taken —Had Wood soy
second? No, be had sot; but a young Gentleman 'Sensed Leith
stcondetr- the deceased; he was the avowed second; the fight
lasted abeenaesbaer ; the deceased's spirits were kept up in a most
extraerdiaary maser by Leith giving him brandy in the 1 lth and
sober nest rounds. I remember that before the last round, Wood
=he to go to his tutor, Mr. ()fiery, to atteed to his pri.
I bud:leer (studies), and .be would make it up afterwards: Mr.
I lOW, the second, said, that as Wood wanted to go, he would appall
to the deceasetracce,dand hear what they had to say. The dm
ceased's party ex 46 We will have another round, we are in
no bony." I know Mr.Ottety had appointed Wood to attend him.
The parties fought another round, and the deceased at the conclusion
fell from a severe blow ; Wood fell heavily on him. After this
round, Wood said," be must go, and he would make it up." Leith
advised it to be made up on the spot, and directly the proposition
was made to make it up, the deceased fell back senseless. Wood
walked up to the deceased, and lifted his hand. I did not hear
Wood my anything.
Juror—lt is the wish of the Jury to know if the deceased did not
propose, about the fourth round, to stop fighting and make it up ?
Witness—l was told by his party that he did so.
Juror—What quantity of brandy did the deceased drink, as you
believe? Witness—Above half a pint. He drank repeatedly during
the fight.
Mr. Ottery, the tutor of Wood, said, that en Sunday he requested
Wood toauesid him on Monday evening, about six o'clock.
Mr. O'Reilly, surgeon, of Windsor, sworn—l was called to see
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1-die deceased last night ;he was then dead; be died before medical
assistance arrived ; I have seen the body again today.
Coroner—Did you see any extorted marks from which you can
my what caused the death ?....iltitsess: There were several contu-
sions on the bead ; the eyes were black. From the sudden manner
et his death, I was convinced there must have been a rupture of
some internal artery. I opened the bead surgically, and found,
under the dura mater, a considerable extravasarion of blood, cover-
ing the whole of the left hemisphere of the brain, which was the
cause of his death. -
Coroner—Can you account tot the cause of the injury which
bproduced death ?....Witoess : I believe ft was not produced by any
lew that his opponent gave bins, but by a vident fall; and I am
of this opinion, from the chaps it the rupture, and the great WOW
dry of blood that issued therefreen.
Coroner.-Would any wain! cause mdse. this Ant, afeb as
apoplexy I—Witness: Cartel* mt.
Coroner—Would hiewt=rhiat cereekt et brandy lave
Mused such meets? y
Coroner—You say that in your opiates is Mad did net ease the
rupture of the vessels if the bead? Witares.4 do net disk •
blow could have bees gins with sellebst ilswas to have emend
such en extensive injury; daring my experieoce, and I have for
years been in the habit, in a public bathetic:l%ot opening the heads
of deceased persons, I never saw so groat a quantity otblood extra-
vasated on the brain.
The Jury now expressed their general opiates this was aft& lobe.'
?dr. O'Reilly requested leave to state to the Jury, that en Ms
arrival at the boom where the deceased lay, he was told by ese of
his brothers that when he brought the deceased from the play
ground after the fight, he appeared asleep-'that he put him to bed,
and supposing he would be quite well when he awoke, he did not
send for medical assistance, and about tan o'clock the same night be
was alarmed on discovering that he was in X dying state.
Dorothy Large: I am servant to the Rev. Mr. Knapp, ofZten,
where the deceased boarded and lodged; be was brought home by
same of the young Gentlemen last night, about ten minutes before
ab o'clock; he appeared as if he was asleep, and he was put to bed;
I asked his brother if I should send for a doctor? and he sell sets
dare was no occasion for it, as the deceased was fiat asleep;
west into the room about seven o'clock, and he was still a 9;
be was breathing. About nine o'clock I found him the same. His
/Nether said he wasomfortable, and that I had no occasion
to she meatuathee seas la would self him safe before he went
to bed. Ilse dsceased bad hie Dowsers on, but no shirt ; he was
wrapped in a blanket. A little after ten o'clock the brother of the
deceased camesiovnt stairs, and said he was worse. I went up to
the room, end a surgeon was sent for; we were -so frightened, that
we did not know what to do. Mr. Moss, a surgeon, first arrived;
the deceased bad then ceased to breathe.
Coroner-4 wish you bad sent at first for surgical aid. '
Witness—l should; but the brother insisted that there was no
necessity for it.—Coroner. I wt.!: you bad not been influenced by'
his brother, who was in some degree blameable; I will not under-
take to assert that the life of the deceased might have been saved,
if surgical assistance bad been obtained as soon as he was brought
borne. I entirely acquit you of any improper intention ; you had
no idea of the youth's dangerous condition. _

The Coroner inquired are Christian name of Mr. Leith f...ihree.
Is Mr. Leith culpable, as well.as Mr. Wood I—CAdvster. If you
find the death was caused by fighting, you must by your verdict tau
plicate him as well as Mr. Wood.—Juror. I do not believe there
was anything like malice exiuing in the breasts of any Gesticulate.
Coroner—This lea most unfortunate case, and I am very us..
pleasantly situated. It is my painful duty to state the law oo the
subject of fights of this description. You must knew they are ille-
gal • but it is for you to find your verdict on the evidence.
The Constable was dispatched to the College, to learn the Chris-
tian name of Mr. Leith. In a short time, a Gentleman named
Oaks, an Under-master of the College, arrived, with the Constable.
The latter Stated that he had in vain endeavoured to get the name.—.
The Coroner asked Mr. Oaks to inform him the name. Mr. Oaks,
who was greedy agitated, said that be was not aware the Jury was
sitting, and he declined giving the Danis.
The Coroner ordered the comet*. to make proclamation at the
door. " that all persons who could 'lie evidence touching the death
of the deceased, do give their attendance ;" but no person came for-
ward.—Mr. Oaks said, that he did not wish to withhold the name
of Mr. Leith, if the Cot oner required hint to give it.
The Coroner said, that he could pot him on his oath, and insist
upon his disclosing his name.
Mr. Oaks said, the name was Alexander Wellesley Leith.
. The Coroner said, that if the Jury should be of opinion that Me.
Leith had violated the law, it would be necessary that his name
should be inserted on the inquisition.
• No other evidence being brought forward. the Coroner pro-
ceeded to address the Jury. He quoted authorities to satisfy
them as to the law relating to murder, manslaughter. and
justifiahle homicide. Although the parties _in this contest bad
quarrelled, and fought on the Sunday till they were separated,
and again renewed their combat on the Monday, he had no
hesitation in saying, that he did not believe they entertained a
feeling of malice towards each other, which (supposing the
blows occadoood the death of the deceased) would make the
offence moat to murder. The killing a person, in the exercise of
an unlawful act, amounted to manslaughter, and the Jury. howeve r
painful it might be to their feelings were bound, by their oaths, to
decide this case according to the evidence. If the deceased died
from the blows, or falls, he had received in the tight, his
antagonist and the second, and in fact all present. *klieg arid
abetting In the breach of the peace, were guilty of manslaughter. He
had already said that he did not believe the youths entertained ma.
licious feelings towards each other; but he was of opinion doer
were backed on by their companions, and their natural courage or
prowess, induced them to combat with each other. The decea:ed.,
it appeared, was the weaker of theewo ; the fight was said to have
been a fair trial of strength, and iiie Jury would give such a ver-
dict as they conceived the justice of the caie demanded.
The Jury retired, and were in consideration for a very asemider-
able time; at a late hour last evening they returned a 'verdict of.
Manslaughter against Mr. Wood, the principal, and Mr. Alex.
Wellesley Leith, the second. The result of the ingot=
duced an extraordinary sensation in the College. The
issued his *arrant against the parties, and placed it in the blade of
the Constable to execute. We understand that bail to any amuse
will be offered for their appearance to take their trials, should .a
Grand Jury find true bills against them; but the felony with which
they stand charged is not a bailable offence. Mr. Leith is said to be
closely allied to a Noble family, as well as Mr. Wood.
The Debate at the East India House, on the Hyder-
abad Papers, was continued yesterday, and again ad-
journed tuto-morrow.
CORN EXCHANGE, MARK-LANE, MARCH 0.
Although our supplies (1850 qrs. of Wheat, 1665 of Barley,
76701 of Oats, and 1650 sacks of Flout) are very limbed. we had
very little business transacted in our Market this, morning ; yet
what few sales of floe Wheat were effected, were-at the prices of
last Monday. Barley is not very brisk sale, but the prices of last
'market day are fully supported. Oats, Beans, and Peas are eearly
in the saute state, and prices as per last.

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fire the pie In ;nee- —of—Te-ligTo—O. The grantii
%hat 'they ask would not allay the fervour of,
religious seat to obtain a supe'iority. I have ,
the liounitritble 'Member for Queen's County de
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that Iseland was perfectly peaesalgti He says, however, tl
perpetual claihiUs of two Chtarelpes, liftiqs, the other
• 40.41 oUly lu alltriatctl by 'rush's of Cierior measures. I
Law to kauw whit those taper measures are 1 for with the
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