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clear to every man who attended to this debstos that ele the Imo'
of the question hung the fate of the bill; and those who sappiest
the Gallant Generala motion were doing all in tilikerlit Ea.
feat the fondly excited hopes of the people of illat thet
should have a representation of their wants, their and tisk
feelings.—(Hear, bear.)
Mr. WYNN expiated. Ages two-and-thirty yaws' hidelelowdew
to his constituents, he should not be afraid to meet his her. Mei ea
the hustings.—( Hear. bear.)
Sir G. MURRAY said the object of the bill was Muddier aweless
ass popularmehe was afraid It would reedit thew men subject to the
lollamossisfArw berugess. The seeds et the measure were emu
Mdo bey., and Mime, whoa transferred on the aim
aide, disweeltei *pod to prime the nalsogy with the fruit, how-
ever unripe and uMtheineme. They Illatiardlp sealed in the Cabi-
net when they lose& leeward a sweepkg maw* et 'dorm that was
to agitate all pains of the kingdom. The bill mai eig=u in the
Irepresentation et Scotland, that was*jested to by the
of that country. He had a letter Arm re Methiseir of the zzert,
Scotland, proposing that the climb thumb' be lemma by two
members in the House of Peers, and four in the Ham et Commons.
(Hear, hear, hear.) He mentioned this merely to show how wild peo.
pie's imaginations ran in consequence of the sweeping changes pro-
posed by the bill. It was perfectly open to those who were not op-
posed to the principle of the Bill, to support the motion of his Gal-
lant Friend, which he should do from opposition to the principle of
the bill.
Mr. BERNAL thought it was inconsistent to argue that corruption
should not be allowed, and yet that rotten boroughs should be con.
tinued. Was it supposed such seats were given for nothing? was it
not notorious that they were paid for by an annual payment, or by a
gross sum ? (Hear, hear.) The Reform might be injurious to colonial
interests ; but he sat in that House, not as the representative of Ja-
maica, but of the people of England. (Hear, hear.) He thought the
present resolution was intended to be hostile to the Bill, and to prevent
five members being added to Ireland, and live to Scotland. (Cries of
No, no, from the Opposition.) He believed the secret intention of the
resolution was to throw out the Bill. (Hear.)
Sir JOHN hl ALCOLM said be was given his mat in that house,
leaving him as free as air. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. NORTH said, the bill, in its present shape, aliened that the
former bill was the result of haste; it had about it all the marks of
precipitancy ; but even in its amended shape, there was no correction
of the great original vice, he meant the uniformity In the elective fran-
chise, which it went to establish. It was the happy variety of rights
that had hitherto readeral our representation so inestimable; that
merit was to be destroyed by the present bill. It bad been said (by
Mr. Ferguson) on the former evening, that the influence of the Crown
had been supplanted by what he termed botoughmongeeing influence,
and that this bill would destroy that influence. if so, what was there
to protect the Crown. the peerage, and the church, asiest the tide of
popular influence ? Then there would be nothing left to resist the
tide of republican sentiments and influence; and what would remain to
prevent them from sweeping away monarchy and the peerage as useless
encumbrances. as so much rubbish ? (Cheers from the Opposition
Benches.) The maw* regarding Ireland would be most pre-
judicial. The Catholic emancipation was deemed a healing mea-
sure ; and the forty-shilling freeholders were disfranchised, and
the representations in corporations secured, avowedly as the
means of enabling the Protestants to haves a countervailing influence
against the increased force of the Catholics. This measure would de-
stroy that security, by depriving the corporations of that peculiar and
protecting merit. Ireland, it had been stated, wanted repose : was this
the way to secure it ? Had Ireland asked for this measure ? No ; but
the ministers having silenced an opponent agitator, now became
agitators themselves. Only one had called for reform, and he now
stood at the bar of justice of his country. Then, why distress and
harass the country with this measure But they were to agree to
the measure, and they were told in a tone of command that they must
agree to the measure, and not throw the apple of discord into the
country. Why, they who gave this measure threw amongst them
the apple of discord. What had the member for Waterford said,
when compelled to abandon the agitation of the repeal of the Union,
in that house, as an impracticable measure? Why, that he would
wait until he got a reformed parliament. ( Loud cheering.)—
That hen. member's reasoning here was correct enough ; for, and let
them not hide the fact from themselves, with a reformed Parliament
that hen. member would nominate to nineteen or twenty places in Ire-
land. (Hear.) He would have the 101. votas—men unfit to exercise
the elective franchise. (No, no.) He was well acquainted with the
class, and he avowed such to be the fact. The protection from the cor-
porations in Ireland would be gone. The voters to whom he alluded
were already considerably alienated in their affections towards Ragland;
they had long been operated upon by the honourable member for Water.
Std; (Hear.) they were, in fact, familiar with the worst councils and
kip of agitation. If, therefore, he had no other mason for the course
he amid pursue, he would support the amendment of the honour-
able amber for Liverpool, on the ground that by retaining the
peen& umber, in the English representation, there would be pre-
Mod t at ISlNOilth to mare the Protestant interests of 'lreland
mist the keesesod Catholic influence of that country. (Cheers.)
Mr. O'CONNELL declared that the speech which had just been
uttered was a tines of weak and gross misrepresentations; but it was a
Cdiwell eakeletel le swore the ready cheer of particular quarters.
ensnawis beim them was one that sought to get rid for ever of the
deriding Messes of borough sontroul. He had hoped that the time
was agwwee by for anseepting to defeat that measure by weak declamation
and I afedsel gssoloalation. But no, it was to be attacked by the boo.
=mbar fizivela, who originally came into the home Mash the
memo rotten borough; and that montbse bed them bow
wall be the sort et Ma me that Wlnt festered
Ida. Not mean with Inland—met easiest with en.
daseouring to revive religions aebeesidre—that hommember must mis-
represent him (Mr. O'Connell). He bad raver said that with a aimed
Pediment ha would carry the repeal of the Union (Ilea4100.)
Whet be had asserted was give him a reformed Parliament, sal he
&spoked as of getting justice for Ireland. - (Hear. bear, wed di; ob.)
That was what he had asserted ; and that was what he belkwed.--
(Hear.)—The bill was acceptable to Ireland ; it bad already dens
My le allay animosities.—{Hear )—That was the fact. Those who
meekesd it could not have read the Irish papers, could not know whet
was pastes in Ireland. What had occurred at Belfast, in Doss,
Antrim Ike. ? Those places had opposed the measure of aped;
but they all supported the Reform Bill. However, he wield net
follow the Honourable Member through his tissue of nalarepresnatialeas.
They were not new—there was no novelty about thaw=
bed been retreated a thousand times before, and as often
They had before bees told of the danger of the Monad% the
Pomp, and the Ouch; but what wu the ground fat seek
domes ? What 11119 the laudation of the Monarchy? Ell
it then depend M MIN lenimghs, trafficking in seats, the de.
Latrzof saki the *hem vote in that House—(llan Mewl
;NINIIII sr balm claim to the support awl
the feeds ran the retention of those nominations, the media of which
stjtMekei • 01M1 le the eyes of that house, and of' the Omettution
=
And the mighty Protestant Church, too, bad it no better
? field k sot stand except sustained b not only "airs from
Heaven; bet "this ars Ildl ?" &way, the ffeasrehy, the
the Chao* had essakt Ilimmilatisim than rotten boraighs, and
obsesin. Those who glom ,Ibp b are contending for the power GC
the oligarchy that kw been NOM Awn the Crown. the Constitution,
and she mantry. • (Hear, bear.) He said that England had more than
a oinmenemets proportion of representation compared with that of Ire-
lad. He serebated the Inglillnasa of the Scotch Members, and also
the want ofello,ll *OM* tithe Irish members, who had not stood
up with reg. MR INS emmairy's rights. He referred to a charge
of combleack• bed hens wade against the Irish members by I
member for Umlaut (Oweeral Hatheyne), and reprobated the charge
as false and uniundeL Ireland gold more taxes than England in
(A lenees-old ales of No, no.) He thanked them for
Cillarh. but be wee pewee' to show that a number of taxes paid by
Inland, were entered under the bead of England, and Ireland lad no
credit for the amount; to that it was said that Ireland did not defray
the express of its pretaides. If Ireland were fairly dealt with, these
would be an of at least thirty members. Did they think that
Ireland, one of the most Milligan countries in the world, wish be'
amused by the mockery of a ahem union. Give them • fair wpm&
tation, and then they will be as one nation: (hear, hest.) Genihmen
aid " Hear, hear," as if in mockery, but be cared not ; he wadi WSW
bath to the motion. and be would ask, would they give to Belfast and
several other places what they took from Garton sad Old Serum ? But
the English bill would have his Nippon, because he had no mean feel.
ing ; and he would ask the Gallant General to throw his motion to the
wind, and lend his aid to assist poor Ireland.
Air. HUNT rose to reply, chicly to what had fallen from an hon.
member, who said that if the bill passed, nothing but radical reformers,
and those who might be sent to gaol for crating a tiot, would be re.
turned. He (Mr. Hunt) detailed a number of Members who, he said,
were already secured for different places to be given franchise to,
nem of whom, be demonstrated, could come utak? the designation'
that bad been applied by the honourable member. Mr. H. went into
a lug explanation and defence of his conduct from the attacks that had
WO made upon him. He said that his objection to the Bill was be.
scan it had not come up to any point that be had defended throughout
hie life. If they bad granted universal sufilage, protected by vote by
beast, be would ask no more. (Hear, hear.) He could tell the house
deal radical reformers out of doors only looked at the Bill as a stepping.
some to something better. (Hear, hear, from the Opposition.) But
sethetbeless he would support the Bill by his vote, and be would be
alliented if he bad succeeded in rooting out one rotten borough.—
(laud cries of " Question, question.")
lk R. PEEL said, he hod purposely refrained from rising after
the beasenek member for Waterford, lest he might catch the contd.
glen tithe 'irk in which the speech was delivered. He bad spent
di pow of Ns earliest political life in Ireland, and be ammdal that
thee lig or asulaudis pot apes the relation bstwesa the ammeethe
by ebobew soak, watathases He had sear beard dog pV
ties that athseeseas ishmeisa alio swim of the house balsoft
head sal bes, -wise had pat math ism ea tbe nytesethadea et
Indeed a Ise the joebeigle of this bill as applied to all the
WWI be eillellieth the test Weal leloust which exesMM ow