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upwards of ninety witnesses, who gave theni very).
information. In fact, they examined all persons within
their reach who were engaged in trade or commerce,
and whose information might be deemed useftil for
any measures that might be adopted on the Report.l
—The Right Hon. Gentleman, in conclusion, coin.
mended in warm terms the exertions and co-operation
of his fellow Commissioners.
On the question that the Report do lie on the table,*
Sir J. NEWPORT was ready to givi his assent to
much of what the Right Han. Gentleman had said ;
but with respect to what was understood by the
duties commonly called protecting duties, he mould
object to the removal of them indiscriminately with-
out due examination. There were some duties, the
continuance ofishich would be of advantage to both
countries. He did not rise to make any opposition
to the Report ; but he was desirous to.lay claim to
the consideration of the question, whether It would
not be better to remit those duties gradually. .His
object was not to endeavour to prejudge any part of
the Report, but to call on the House to give it atten-
tion, and examine it well, before they would adopt
any final measure on it.—The Report was then laid
On the table, and ordered to be printed.
'HENRY HUNT.
Sir ROBERT WILSON said, that he was re-
qUired hi 1500 of the 'inhabitants of Greenock, to
present to the House a Petition adopted by them,
with a view of procuring a mitigation of the punish-
ment Which Mr. Hunt was then suffering in Lichester
Jail. The punishment to which that individual was
sentenced being severe enough in itself, was aggra-
vated by the secret and oppressive arrangements and
"rules of the Magistrates, whose conduct towards that
individual excited a general feeling of indignation
through the country. He knew that the Magistrates
Si Somersetshire had entertained feelings of animo-
sity against Mr. Hunt. There was one Magistrate,
however, whom he should except. He was desirous
to state that Sir Charles Bamfield, when he came to
fill the office of High Sheriff of that county, hi? ' rO,
hibited the continuance of those odious and op res-
tive regulations in regard to Mr. Hunt. The igh
Sheriff commanded that be should be treated with!
More propriety, and in the way in which offeaderi .
hiskind had been always treated in every prison in
the kingdom. He did not fail in doing his duty, and'
in iniposing obedience to his directions while he had!
the contrail of the jail; but when he went out of
othce those regulations were again put in foice by!
the Magistrates. It was a :evert sentence on Mr.;
Hunt to be condemned to an imprisonment of two
years and a half; but it was an aggravation of se-
verity that he was condemned to that period of im-
prisonment in a damp, noisome, and pestilential jail;
that he was not allowed the use of good and pure
water, but obliged to drink water flowing through
the sinks and privies; that he was condemned to
live in a damp, dark room, where he could enjoy
neither the freshness of the air nor the light of the
sun; that he was shut up in solitary confinement, de-
barred of the comforts and servicesof his friends and
family. It was most unfortunate for the character
of justice and impartiality in this country, that so
much severity should be practised against that in-
dividual, after he had procured an investigation
into the abuses which had gone *on for several
yettrs, and helped his Majesty s Ministers into that
Most important inquiry, which, without his assist-
ance, would never have been instituted. If his Ma-
jesty's Ministers, therefore, had any feelings of !jus-
tice or of humanity, they should have relieved Mr.
Hunt long since from the severity of:the punishment
to which he had been subjected, or should have re-
moved him to a place of confinement where he could
have had fire communication With his family and
friends. He did not Wish to detain the House with
many observations at that time '' Mt hid, indeed, a
confidesiee isithe eboraiter-of the Right Hon. Gen-
tle:nine iherhief Sdctetary for the Mime Depart-
:neat, lad he was inclined to hive that 'that Right
Heln.Gentleitinis irtiedd 'give proper attention to the
Tinley of the Petitioners.' He would theft move that
ihe Petition 'be brad& tip. ' * , .
:' Mr.' V/ AARE walk Mations to say a few words on
the Mitt of the Petition. He did not wish to ex-
aftalste linything, aid if the view be taken of
;Wthing *ere: erroneous, ' he 'would submit to or.
roctiOnr. As 'far as be understood the case, it was
thin* b the regulations established hi Bebe:ter Jail
bilis* Misnames (whoa: he did not know and for
whose 'character and principles, 'let them 'lse Whit
they eight, good or bad, he was not concerned), the
individual, Hunt, was • pot on a level with felons—
(Plestr;* hair).—:-He understood .thilt among those re-
gulations was one which prObibited Mr. Hunt from
seeing any one, whether en *business or otherwise),
=leis be went. into the common Main, which 'was
the visiting-room for Mims. Mr. Mint objected to
ge into that room, Usages be *visa sure he should
meet felons there.; and with thesis be was unwilling
to associate, being punished only for a ididetneanifir
or political offence. The only person" whom be
wished to see were his Surgeon, his Attorney, and his
fatnily, and those - certainly should have access to
him. The. mitigation of punishment claimed was al
free and unrestricted communization with thine per.'
1101 a in some part of the prison where he would not
be subject to the intrusion and company of felons.
He (Mr. Warre) had no wish to visit with blame or
censure any person, but he was certain that a dis-
'uttion should be made in everypriqm between per.
, eenvicted of felony, and persons guilty of poli-

Mr. DICKINSON Sold, he had always stated,
that when be saw the rules in question, he thought
they pressed too severely upon Mr. Hunt, arjd had
menuoned the circumstance to Mr. Justice Best,
who, hoverer, returned the rules Without any altera-
tion. He (Mr. Dickinson) feared that as they were
now signed by the Judges, they became a part of the
law of-the prison, and mild not be altered. Upon
this subject, which had undergone sn much discus-
sion, he had td express his acknowledgments to a
WorthY Alderman (Mr. Wood), for a courtesy which
'was to be contrasted with the conduct of the Hon.
Members for Aberdeen. That Hon. Meinber had, the;
other evening, without having apprised him (Mr.]
Dickinson) of his intention to bring the subject for.'
ward, presented a Petition relative to Mr.'Hunt, and
bad taken that opportunity of speaking of the l'llleri
gistrates of Somersetsbire as if they were the elmia
unfeeling of men. He (Mr. Dickinson) did smith& ,
have in this manner when he had a Petition *pre- I
sent personally affecting the Hon. Member himself,
but had spoken to him on the subject; though be
believed in doing so he had only observed that
courtesy which was Considered at due from one.
Member to another.
Mr. IiUME was surprised at what had fallen fros 1
thittlOn.Gentleman. Was it to be expected that he
was to wait until the Hon. Gentleman,. or the Hoe.
Barbiet,pir Thoinas Lethbr*ekappeared in their
trces,.? -AI; submitted to the House whether the
on. Member had a right to complain of want of
con:telt in
;him or any of his Honourable Friends
near him? . He'believed the authority of the Magis-
trates was not well founded. 'The Hon. Baronet (Sir
Tbontai Lethbridge), .th-e• other night, denied that
Mr. Hunt was in solitary confinement. He- could
satisfy the Hoa. Baronet of the fact. He held in his
-hand the'affidavits of two perscms who demanded ac-
elms to him, and were refused, until an order came
.Wdwil &PO the JOdlrs of `the King's Bench, autho-
risiaga fr .ft Cotisinutticatinu with those perions. He
'held in his hand'an affidavit to that effect, sworn by
Mr. Hunt's &Wean ;MO Solicitor. * Besides that af-
fidavit, he had also the letter of the High Sheriff to
Mr.' Hunt, which he would read, to thew the House
that he was kept in solitary confinement. The Hon.
Member thei read the letter from the High Sheriff,
who 'expressed Ids opinion that no one ought to be
condemned to 'solitary confinement except by the
judgment of law; 'that it was not, he believed, the
intention of the'Judges who passed sentence on him
that :his confinement should be solitary; but he was
sorry to be obliged to inform him, that he could not
any longer afford him that free communication
which be (Mr. Hunt) so much desired—t Hear, hear).
—After that letter, and the affidavit which he held
in his hand, he was surprised thit the Hon. Member
should still deny that he was in solitary confinement.
Did the Hon. Membet intend to Maintain that no
blame attached to the Magistrates ? If 'be did, he
would request of him only to read the Report of the
Commissioners appointed to inquire into that Jail.
One paisage in that Report stated that Mr. Hunt was
confined to a small, dark, and damp room ; but it
was said that thOe on whose authOrity such severity
was practised were not objects of blaine I Those were
the Magistrates who did all that: fie would refer
them to the 19th page of the Report, .which stated
that Mr. Hunt and other prisoners were prevented
from getting the clean river Water, but were under
the necessity of using the water filtered through the
common sewers. The • whole of the Report only
prOied the grossest and most culpable neglect of the
Magistrates. He, wonld call the attention of the
House to that part Of the Report which contained an
account of a weight of ten pounds of iron being on
the wrists of a prisoner, and, if left on a few days
longer, would have 01140 h'im. • Let the House look
to the Commissioners' Report, and let the evidence
given before them be brought forward. It was ihipcks-
sible the matter could rest where it then was. He was
ready to acknOWlesigl that it was of the greatest
possible a4vantagii-4n advantage-which no ,other
count% in the world possessed—that the Magistrates
of ihisi country beatowed their time, and talents, and
labimr, Withnut fatsor reward. But wits it because
their, cut} uCE' was gertsral,ly good and upright, that
they were no( to be Oen:tired when they acted wrong?
—4ll4UT;ipar.}4.le thought that Report was a good
and sou .teni COntirfa(ion—for instituting a criminal
prosecution against the*Magistrates-
Sit THOMAS LETHBRIDCiE said he was not
repa.red, itfier all be had beard, to admit that the
Individual wai in 'solitary' confinement. He was ra-
ther Mote cinitmedin his opinion that he was not.
'He wished to nvi What the Hon. Member for Aber-
•deen meant by' solitary; confinement? In his (Sir T.
Lethbridge's) opinion, solitary confinement was that
'ln which the prisoner; was interdicted from any com-
munication with others. That was, in his opinion,
'the Ituelifinition of solitary confinement. Was it
because he could not see perions of a certain descrip-
tion, and could not see them when he chose, that he
,•was said to bein. solitary confinement? Petitions were
presented to the noise complaining of what he knew
not, unless that 'Hunt vhs treated in an extraordinary
inannerlfear). It would, however, appear on in.
quirt', that he was treated with kindneu. Hunt being
in prison in purivance of his sentence, ought to be
content with the rules applied to oche! prisoners. If
it could be proved that he was subjected to any un-
due severity, he :would then be prepared to reprobate,
N much as any other slant the condyct of the Mar

ititaate.
eye on the conduct of. the Magistrates. He bad not
the honour of knowing the Magistrates of Somerset-
shire; but be they who they might, he had no hesi-
tation in saying their conduct was extremely repre-
lamsible.
Mr. BENNET said, the Hon. Baronet had caught
hold of the phrase 4, solitary confinement." The Hon.
Baronet appeared to think that nothing. was solitary
confinement but four walls and the receiving of fogal,
through a wicket. That, however, was but a degree
of solitary confinement ; and if a man were told be
milt submit to insult, or remain within his cell, it
was not too much to call that also a degree of solitary
confinement. He ventured to say that, except in
Ichester, there was no prison in England in which a
maq confined for a political offence was compelled to
associite with felons, and-submit to solitary confine-
ment. This, however, had been accomplished at Il-
chester by thetegulations of these Magistrates, con-
firmed by the order of Mr. Justice Best. He wished
for the production of these regulations, in order that
it might be seen whether he was borne out in his opi-
nion that they were the most arbitrary and cruel that
ever could be devised by the most arbitrary Magi-
strate or the most arbitrary Judge. The fact was,
that no written rule of the prison had been acted on
till the other day. Under all the circumstances, he
thought it was the duty of the House to address the
Crown to remove these Magistrites from office. They
had neglected their duty, and be strongly suspected
they bad done so criminally. There was a case re-
ferred to by the Report, in which it appeared that a
poor girl, with her infant in her arms, had been con-
fined, in a season of severe frost and snow, within a
cell in which for two days she was allowed no fire.
Her food was nothing but bread, and cold water from
a bucket, her milk failed in consequence, and the
health of the infant at her breast suffered materially.
(Hear). He knew that all comment upon these facts
was unnecessary ; he knew that they must strike every
feeling man with horror ; yet this he contended had
been caused by the negligence of the Magistrates. It
was them that be blamed, and not their miserable
tool the jailer, or his underling; and if he had the
power to discharge them they never should held ma-
gisterial office again as long as they lived—(Hear).
Mr. Alderman WOOD, alluding to the observa-
tion of the Hon. Member for Somerset (Mr. Dickin-
son) sold it was a mistake to suppose that the Magi-
drates had no power to soften the rigour of the rules
as they applied to Mr. Hunt. Some of them were
the same as the rules adopted for the regulation of
Newgate and they applied to the admission of per-
sons within the walls of the prison to see the prisoner.
The Magistrate, had the power of taking him out of
the walls without endangering his safe custody. This
natation of the rule had been observed at Newgate
in several instances where respectable persons had
been ordered to be confined there. He could mention
the case of a Noble Marquis, and that of a Noble
Lord. The rules in question, as they affected Mr.
Hunt, had been most capriciously altered by the Ma-
Cates, although no charge had ever been made
list Mr. Hunt; and it was worthy of remark, that
until Mr. Hunt had brought forward his charges, he
'had not.been exposed to his present suffering.
Mr. DICKINSON explained.—The Magistrates,
tas
repeated, had no power to alter the rules. The
Member for Durham (Mr. M. A. Taylor) ap-
peared to think nothing whatever had been done by
the Magistrates ; hurdle fact was, that on their first
hearing of the abuses of the jail they set on foot an
inquiry, and turned away the jailer and the surgeon
who were complained of, and whose conduct appeared
to have justified the complaints.
Mr. LENNARD said the Magistrates bad done no-
thing until the abuses in question had been brought
under the notice of Parliament. He fully agreed with
the Hon. Member for Shrewsbury (Mr. Bennet), that
Treat suspicion attached p the conduct of the Ma-
gistrates for: omerset, and that it would become them
endeavour to disprove the charge against them.
He could not vouch for the -fact ; but it had been
published and not contradicted, that one of the Ma-
gistrates, on occasion of the late inquiry, had been
lieard to say, 41 We must defend our jailer." Yet this
'jailer was a wretch discharged from the hulks, a de-
frauder of the miserable objects placed within his
power, and one altogether as infamous in character
as he was brutal in -conduct.—The Petition was read,
ordered to lie on the table, and be printed.
ILCHESTER JAIL.
Mr. Alderman WOOD moved, that the evidence
annexed tothe Report of the Committee for inquiring
into the state of Ilchester Jail should be printed.
Mr. PEEL said,. he thought it was desirable that
the evidence to which reference was continually made
by the Report, should be in the hands of Members,
and he therefore did not object to the motion.—The
"notion was then agreed to. •
Mr. Alderman WOOD wished to know whether
the Right Hon. Gentleman had any objection to the
printing of the evidence, taken before the Coroner on
the 19th and 20th of January last, in Ilchester Jail ?
Mr. PEEL said, there might be a criminal pro-
ceeding issuing out of this evidence, which would
come on for trial at the ensuing Assizes, and he was
anxious that the question should not be prejudged.-..
He, however, should not oppose the motion.
Mr. Alderman WOOD and Mr. NAL mutually ex-
plaiiedi and the motion was then-agreed to. •

ther their two years' service was performed at ono*
or off and on in jobs !--(A laugh).—lf the .vtck were
anode up lone how or other, the servant was en itled
to his pension. Now, one would think that this was
enough in all conscience; but it seemed that all thwe
of the first class were to be entitled to one thousatull
pounds a-year for life, even though they did not
perform the two years' service !—(Hear,
The framers of the Bill seemed to have relented, to
have thought they were too hard at first, and, there-
fore, two minutes' service would entitle the pergon
in question to his 10001. a year. In fact, he might
tress hands for the place and the pension at the same
time. This principle of the miner pension—the
64 one ever" ran through the whole ofthe Bill. The
second class of persions, was for another set of Offi-
cers, who had served five years, and was to be eOOOl
a year per man. The third was for a like service at the
rate of 15001.-a year per man; and the fourth wasfur
service of ten years, and was at the rate of 10001,
a year per man. Up tothe year 1817 the King had
the Privilege of discovering merit in his servants and
of rewarding it; and if he were crippled in his pe-
cuniary means of rewarding it, he applied to the
House for assistance. These old-fashioned practices
had now been done away with, and neither the king
nor the House would have any further trouble, for
merit was regulated by Act of Parliament, and ve ted
in certain official stations!—(A laugh).—Hon. Mem-
bers might laugh, for some of them had very good
reason. TO be sure, the King's Sign Manual was ne-
cessary for the granting of these pensions, but the
applicant for the pension" was the constitutional ad-
viser of the King; the King himself was bound by
the charter.' It really wonld have been more manly
'in the corporation to have put their own seal to it
and saved his Majesty the trouble of being secretary
to his own servants ! The Bill had been in roduced
by three Hon. Members, whom he might name ; as
he took their names from the Journals. They were
Mr. Davies Gilbert, Mr. Bitokes, and Viscount Cas-
tlereagh—(A laugh, and Hear, hear). The B;l1 itself
had been recommended by the Finance Committee:
and it was worthy of observation what that Com mittee,
on being formed, had been directed to do. They \I ere
directed " to inquire into the public eipenditur', and
to state the best measures to be adopted for relieving
the country from some of its "ourriens"---( Cheers aid
laughter). To a super ficial observer the pre-ent Bill
might certainly appear a comical way of relieving the
country. Three or four of the Committee were them-
selves to be benefited by this Bill. The corporation say
1" That it is necessary, and is consistent with polity
!and economy to devise this measure." lie would try
them upon their own title. The first Act of Parlia-
ment given in exchange for the Pension Bill, was ait
Act to regulate certain offices in the Exchequer. This
Act directed the abolition of some, and the regula-
tion of others, after the expiration of the " existing in-
terests," that is to say, not a hair of tl.e head of the
sinecurist was to be touched, and the Public were to
be touched. The Act went on to state, that these
offices should, at the expiration of those interests,
never be performed by deputy. The patronage was
to be transferred to the Treasury, and the fees (Ilan))
were to be paid to the Consolidated Fund. Honour-
able Members knew very well what was meant by
the words " if any." There would be of course none
at all—(A laugh). This was a part of the benefit
we received in exchange for the 42,0001. a year. The
second act was for the abolition of the offices of War-
den and Chief Justice in Eyre north of Trent and
south of Treat. After the expiration of " existing
interests," the duties of these offices were to be per-
formed by the Clerk of Woods and Forests. Now, if
their Clerk could perform these duties, what became
of the boasted efficiency of the public set vants ?
(Hear). The third act was for the abolition of some
offices, and the regulation of others, in Ireland ; and
this 42,000/. a year was, he supposed, granted upon
the principle of compensation—a principle so utterly
untenable that, if this measure were to be considered
thework of any other persons than Members, he would
call the Bill obtaining money under false pretences;
a species of Parliamentary swindling! In these of-
fices, the thing was, as usual, a transfer of patronage
to the Treasury, and to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland.
The Crown was robbed, and we were to pay 42,0001.
a-year for the robbery. The next Act related to cer-
tain offices in Scotland, and declared that the Keeper
of the Great Seal should not he paid more than 2,0001.
a-year ; another of the privileges for which we were
to pay 42,0001. a-year—(Hear, hear).--It was tit that
the Public should know what they had for their
money—(A laugh).—The Act went on to declare,
that the duties of these Scotch offices should be per-
formed in person—what a calamityl—(A laugh
And that the salary of each should not exceed 1,0001.
a-year—what a hardship !--(LangAter).--The nest
Act related to the Board of Trade, which had been
professedly abolished before, but which 'was now re-
vived by an Act of Parliament, beginning thus-" Air
Act to amend'? Bte.—(A laugh).—And it provided
that the duties of the office of Comptroller should be
performed in person I The Scotch Mint was also
sold up. The Mint of Scotland sold Here wits
another bargain for the country No wonder, to ire
sure, that we paid 42,0001. a-year for it—(A laugh).
—The last Act was for regulating the Exchequer in
England and Ireland, and far providing " a more
economical execution of the duties of the several
offices belonging thereto." The duties were.ag4a

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