Star.
London, England, 1813-02-18 00:00:00

Afterwards,
The Good Brig L'AIMABLB JULIE. She appears to be
French built, and to have had a very large and general outfit and
repair very recently.

DIMENSION!:

Length on Deck
Breadth -
Admessures - 65 B-94 cons.
Square-s:ernrd, is very burthensome, takes the ground wells
and is abundantly found in stores

- 55 Ft. 911 In.
- 17 s

The Brigantine L'HAZARD, has a neat scrawl head, sails
fast, and burthens well.
Length - - - . 61 Ft. Oi In.
Breadth - - - - 16 11
Admeasures - - - 59 10-94 Tons.
These Vessels appear to be suited for the Newfoundland trade
or general purposes, and with their stores, are in condition for
immediate employment.

The Sloop LA BONNE MERE, squaro.sterned, appears t.
be Bntish bulk.
Length - - - 50 Ft. 21 In.
Breadth - - - - 17
Ailmeasures - - 57 47-94 Tons.
She is very hurthensnme, take.; the ground well, la well found,
and may be immediately employed for general purposes.

The Sloop or Smack ME.DINA, British built.
Lerch - - - -5,) Ft. 10 In,
Br..twlth 18 11
Admea,ures - - - 63 75 94 TWIN.
She carries a large cargo, and sails well, is adired for general
purposes and is in good coLdittort.
AITEIIWARDS.

The Cargoes of the last four Versels, consisting of WINES,
SALT, and EARTHENWARE, Particulars of which will be
expressed in the Catalogues. Capiured by and condemned as
prizes to his 11I4Jesty's ship Strenuous, John Nugent, Esq. Com-
snootier.

Fer further Information apply to James Sykes, Fsq. Arundel-
street, joint Agent for the Rover ; to Messrs. John Jackson and
Ce. New Broatl.street, London, for the Briton and Strenuous;
to Mc,srs. HAWN./ R and So ms, Merchants, Plymouth.
JOHN LUSCOMbIE, Broker.

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GOVERNORS.
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John Latouche, M. P. Captain 1 Hay.
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r I 'HIS INSTITUTION, established for the mks.. 1
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and their dreadful consequences, as Strictures, Debilities Ulcer,. • '
Lions, Ste. has to boast the cure of na isisit than 2,000 Patients, ana
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The early symptoms of Gonorrhcea and Chancre are cured in . 1
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Mr.K;ernan may be consulted as usual, by either sex, at his ,
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where Letters front Town and Country are to be addressed, and iil
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WHEN Men of Education and professional skid I
use pertevering endeavours to discover the most sate and I
certain method of treating a few prevailing Diseases, the success-
ful result of their experience is the best proof of siiptnority.
Messrs. GOSS and Co. fdrgeons, have been indnoed to make ?.1
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a certain Disorder, frequently contracted in a inomtnt of into:.
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an improved plan, are speedily and effectually cured ; ms also dn.
bility, whether arising from Bacchanalian indulgeslees, long red- ,
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sterility or barrenness, and in the other a UUMCIVIIa train of nese
von. diseales, which, if not timely remedied, terni!nate tripe. ',
tent* and consemption. In that distressing state of debasy at
deficiency, whether the consequence of such baneful habits, at
arising from any other cause, by which the powers of the coned.
tution h. come enfeebled, as regularly educated ourreons of Les-
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vigorous health.

Messrs. Go and Co. exclusively professing the cure of them
particular complaints in order flaw they may cot be. by a
mistaken few, narked with the r.binsiuy so justly attached to •
the ignorant empiric, think it kit jus;.ce to tbmllilehres to stye
that they have been i..t•sps.rly educated and initiated into every
branch of th,. prufesuion (certificates which, irons diffetent
Hospitals, and testimonials from .he most eminent l'hysiciasts,
they have to convince any inquirer) that the success res.: rang
from their endeavours first induced them to quo the puler!. e at
the general Practitioner, anti they pre-mime that their prete-sions
constitute a lair ground r the utsprecedsnted conhdence with
which they have, by the Publsc, beets so I,berally honoured.
Patientain the sioutst, y are requested to state the tdr 'Mars
of their case, age, and manner us liviu7, ee.closing a bank.vsste
for asbrice and medcines, and tb! Wine UM be forwarded to any
part of the Ltigdom.
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pore e. Su,ekpok," Sir Sam. Romig
Appellapts, and Mr. Hart for the Re-
length, when furthor prop dings
, at eletrep
presented a Pet!** from tbg pert
gaql of that city.
'dia. Board, presented Japers or Ae-
t, agreeably to the twigs of their
oaths and his seats
THOLIC FILTITIONSI
ited from Exeter, and Lord
and from Berwicklon.Tweed,
tgainst the Roman catholic

from Lord HOLLAND to the
it was not the desire of the No-
\th) to have the whole of the
loble Lord replied, that it was
Aole shopld be read. They were
'hen

ltroLx. exrressed a desire to
, the intention of the Noble Vis-
specihc motion or proceeding on

‘UTH was at a loss to discover
should particularly be put to
uke. In presenting the Petitions
"able as he had done, he was
fight and duty as a Peer of Pare
lether he should deem it proper or
other step, he conceived to be 4
sted entirely with himself.
)RFOLK disclaimed any
)ffence to the Noble Lord, but
the question, from observing an
le Petitions, which was false.—
was stated, that the Catholics in
)0 toleration of rights, civil and
was a statement contradicted by
ivilege of returning Members to
Parliament was a civil right, which
ijoyed by the Irish Catholics. They
for Members to sit in the Lower
the representative seats in the

UTH thought it was treating the
• undue harshness, to scrutinize
the terms ip which their lair and
At House were couched, They
came bet their Lordships with an humble but
strnest !4bmissioq of their feelings and opinions ur
. . . of

. . ... . . [On
A sullecti which to them apkared . the greatest
importance to the national welfare ; and while so ex.
046'44 their sincere opinions, he could not think it
Other decorous towards them, or compatible with
the liberality apd justice of their Lordship; to charge
them with stating falsehood.
Lord HOLLAND perfectly agreed in the pro.
rriety of the Noble Duke's observations. When an
Allegation so material as that to which they referred,
was set forth in a Petition to that Hone, it surely
Was incumbent on their Lordships to ascertain whe-
ther it was true or false. Had the Noble puke pro-
Id the rejection of the Petition, there might have
en some cause for alarm on the part of the Noble
scount, but no such rejection was intimated, It
Fi,
was, however) of great importance, while such pains
had been taken in every quarter of the country to
Excite alarms respecting the situation and claims of
the Catholics, that their claims and situation should
be fairly represented, and no material fact set down
;hat could not be proved.
Lord REDESDALE could not help considering
the language and terms of the Noble Duke's obser-
Tationk, as 'tending strongly to deter petitioners from
exercising their fair and admitted right of submitting
thuir opinions to that House on any great national
question. The Nohle Duke appeared not to have
beard distinctly, or accurately attended to the words
ets read in the Petition, where a guarded distinction
szemed to be made between personal rights and civil
privileges, on one hand, and political privileges on
the other. The distinction,indeed, was so clearly
;narked, in the language of the Petition itself, that he
could not conceive how it should Ire misunderstood,
winch less bow the f'etitioners should thereby have
incurred, the charge of stating falsehood. lit had
frequently, however, fallen to his lot, to hear lap-
Fit.aael upon the present subject, within the walls of
rliament, which he should very unwillingly have
tened to elsewhere, He had as little of narrow
preindice as any man,--but be scrupled not to
4ta4e, in conformity with the Petitioners, that he
fonceived the concession of the Catholic Claims
ancompaLihle with the safety of the constitutional
establishments..
The Duke of NORFOLK wished to ask the
roble and Learned Lord, what was the distinction
he would lay clOwn between civil and plaice; rights ?
Lord REDESDALE replied, that the distinction
was clearly stated in the language of the Petition.-1—
The civil rights were those which the Catholics al-
ready enjoyed ; the political were those to which
they aspired, and the granting of which the Petition-
ers deprecated.
The Duke of NORFOLK was by no means satis.
fed with the clearness of the Noble and Learned
Lord's definition, fletween the terms civil and pct.-
4itical he knew of no difference, except the complec-
tion u hich each &lived from the Latin and Greek
langu.iges, from which they were adopted.
Lord RI.:DESDALE said a few word; in e;plA!
nation,
The LORD CHANCELLOR left the Woolsack,
and observed, that whatever variety of opinions might
be entertained on the subject of the Petitions by the
great majority and great minority of the Pubic, the
, reaning of the Petitioners could by no means be
i Mistaken. They saw a arterial difference between
the privilt ges at present enjoyed and the new ones
claimed by the Catholics, and to that difference they
wished to direct the attention of that House. lie
shield not detain their Lordships with many wrrds.
The temper and muderaiion which had bee" so con-
spicuo,usliy displayed dip "About the country in the
various discussions which in every part of it had
taken pl.ce on the subject of the Catholics,. was,
highly eredirible to the public feeling,• 'a,n:d he wak
confident that when that most serious and important
question came before Parliament, it would be met
with suit l‘le. wi-dem and moderation by their 1,..0rd!
ibir.—Aclo4,l.l.

ttotisr or Mv4461411.
The House, at ke muting, Proms In lase bir * ciss-
Dame to try the Sudbury peeston Petideoe
Mr. BLACK#UENE pessente4 a Petidon from this *d d.
tants of Lancaster, against the Catholic Petition.
Lord STANLEY wished to know, whether this Peck lan war
the result of any public deliberative meeting, or whether it het:
not been left at a Stationer's for signatures.
Mr; BLACKBURN replied, that the ii ytitlontri ware of a
highly respectable class.
Mr. AI3ERCROMBIE brought in a Bill, which was read a
first time, for improving Govern Garden Market.
Mr. CROKER brought tip the Estimates for the Niyal Ser-
vice, which were ordered to lie on the Table.
The House then went into a Committee on the Copper Ix-
porution Prohibition Bill, when, after some conversed°. be-
tween Mr. MATHS, Mr. ROBINSON and Mr. D. Gterive the
several provisions were agreed to, and the Report orderid to be
received on Friday.
The Call of the House, which stood for this
.day, was post-
poned to this day sennight.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought in the
Bill for repealing the Starch Prohibition Act, which was read a
first time.
The Hon. Mr. BENNET rose, to ask for some explanation
with respect to a deficiency which he had observed in a compari-
son of the returns of men in the army service for the last year
and the present. The whole deficit which remained unaccounted
for was about 6QOO men t he wished to know to what cause this
apparent deficit was to be ascribed.
Lord PALMBRSTON replied, that the returns of casualties
always fell short of the real loss ; and that the whole returns,
from all the foreign establishments, were not yet received.
After a few words from Mr. WHITBREAD, the conversation
dropped.
The list of Members elected on the Sudbury Election Com-
mittee were then declared to be the following:
Robert Abercrombie, Est John Richardson, Esq.
John Hodgson, Esq. Overton Blunden, Est
tion. L. Batlyrst. Hon. W. Douglas.
Joseph Pitt, sq. John Raine, Esq.
R. A. Crickett, Boa. Meron Archdai, Esq.
Williim Richardson, Esq, J. Lockhart, Esq.
John Browne, Baii, L. Bolsover, Est
PRlPttiblei. LAW,
Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY observed, that the bill
which he was about to move for leave to submit to
the consideration of the House had, on two former
occasions, received the sanction of the Commons ;
and it was out of no disrespect, and proceeded from
no other cause than an increased and settled convic-
tion, that he now rose to bring it before the judg-
ment of a new Parliament. He had proposed in the
year 1810 three Bills, two of which had passed that
House. The first of these, and that to which the
present objections were made, was to repeal the Act
of King William, which made it a capital offence to
steal to the value of ss, in warehouses or stables; the
second proposed to repeal the Act of Queen Anne,
rendering the privately stealing in a dwelling-house
to the amount of 40s, capital; and the third went to
repeal the Act of Geo. 11. by which stealing to the
same amount on board any vessel was likewise made
felony without benefit of clergy. The principle of
these successive enactments was precisely the same,
that of exacting a forfeiture of life for a violation of
the right of property, even if committed without vio-
lence, and attended with no additional circumstances
of aggravation. The consequence was, that the pe-
nalty of death was left dependent, by the letter of the
law, in a difference in value the most insignificant.
To steal in the one case to the amount of 4s. lid. in
the other to that of 695. exempted the offender from
all the capital consequence; of the law, and left him
liable only to the punishment of transportation.
These Statutes, however, it was well known, were
never enforced in their literal rigour. His object at
present was, to renew only that Bill which he had at
first named, and to which the least opposition had
been made ; and he would only detain the House by
a shat statement of the principle upon which he ven-
tured tp recommend the measure. He did not know
why the order of the House had not been complied
with, for returns of the offences tried in the county
of Middlesex for the four last years ; but there were,
however, returns for the years 1805-6-7-8, and
9. By hese returns, it appeared, that of 188 who
had been tried for the crime contemplated by this
Act, 18 only had been convicted, not one of whom
was executed. The Honourable and Learned Gen-
tleman then went into some further statements illus.
trative•of the fact that the Statute had little practical
application.—The House had then to reflect on what,
was the probable consequence arising from the non-
execution of the law. It was obvious that it must
soon cease to operate by terror, when few or no ex-
amples could be produced of its being actually en-
forced. He did not mean to censure the forbearance
which thus disarmed the law of its ferocity; but he
condemned the retention of a law which was found
too cruel for application, and which was therefore
superseded in almost every instance by a discretio-
nary adoption of that wise and humane principle,
that no unnecessary suffering, no useless pan , ought
ever to be inflicted under the sanction of the ida-
LI
ture. Upon this part of the subject, he coul not
more powerfully illustrate his argument than by quo-
ting the sentiment of a man who bad once been the
ornament of that House, and whose opinions would
have weight far greater than belonged to any thing
'hat could fall from so humble an individual as him-
self. In the observations upon our penal laws which
were published io the last edition of Mr. Burke's
Works, that distinguished person had said, that it
was not wise to retain on your books those laws which
you do not choose to execute,--Ahat if they were not
executed, it was because they were deficient in wis-
dome or justice, or mercy; and were therefore memo.
rials of your own violence or folly ; that although
laws themselves were dependent on manners, their
execution was not; and that it was a most dissonant
thing to exhibit the reason still furious after the pas.
, sions were laid asleep. Here, then, continued Sir S.
aornilly, was a Statute which be was sure no man
who heard could enforce, unless accompanied by the
strongest aggravation ;, and there was not, he was
happy to say, one single instance within memory,
which he heard of, of as being carried into literal
execution. The result was, that the Judges were in-
vested with a discretion, which, he knew, they trem-
bled to exercise—the discretion and responsibility of
inflicting death upon the operation of their own pri-
vate judgment; ir.fluenced, certainly, by public prin-
ciple. To bring one example of the feelings excited
by this conflict between the letter of the Statute and
the sunestion of the Court, he would mention the
case of the three persons lately tried under the Act
of Geo. 11. for stealing silk on board a vessel. The
Jury were so influenced by the circumstances urged
in mitigation.-by thg excellent characters given to
the prisoners, and the obvious severity of, the law,
that they unanimously addrerssed the Prince Regent,
explituatory of the scruples they felt, .44dthe ,slut
,tance with which they had brought in theii verdict.
....Another object which he had now in views was,

to amp Common Law pnaislment, in eases 'of_
High reeesou. The Eunishment at present, it was
,s-1 horn, was banging, bat not until the delin-
quent was quite dead, st being ordained, that whilst
still living, he shall beset down, his bowels taken
out and burnt in his sight, his head cat off, his
body quartered, and to be et the King's disposal.-
-In point of fact, this horrible sentence was not
now exectued, the offender being hanged until dead,
and his bead being then cut off and exhibited to the
spectator, a spectacle, to his•mind, most exception-
able, when it was copsidered, that it was calculated
to- eecite only disgust in some, compassion in others,
and brutal apathy in a third class. Mr. Justice
Blackstone had said, that the practice of embowel-
ing had been discontinued, but that it was well wor-
thy of consideration, whether so shocking and igno-
minious an infliction ought to he left to the discretion
of the executioner ? The Judges had not the power
of remitting any part of this prescribed judgment,
for in the case of Colonel Walker, who was convict-
ed of the Ryehouse plot, the judgment was set aside
upon appeal to the House of Lords, because, although
the emboweling and burning had been directed, the
words, la eoiteireetu ejtu et ipso vivente, had been
omitted. These expressions were pronounced by that
high tribunal to be an essential part of the judgment,
without which it had no legal validity whatever. It
was urged that the literal infliction was impossible,
which being admitted, it was answered that the
words were not the less indispensable. It was, how-
ever, denied. that the strict execution was impracti-
cable, and it was urged that Harrison, one of the
regicides, after being hanged, whilst his bowels were
tearing out, had risen and struck the executioner.—
Ought then this punishment to remain to revolt the
feelings of mankind, and furnish foreigners with a
reproach against our national character ? Ought the
terrors of a vain threat to be displayed, in the hour of
the offender's fate, to bereave him of his understand-
ing ? Ought the qttestinn, whether a man shall perish
instantaneously, or by slow, bitter, and protracted tor-
ments, to be left to the decision of the executioner ?
Lord Bacon, he knew, had justified, in a work of his,
the cruelties to which he now called the attention of
an enlightened Parliament, on the ground, that sever
ties still greater were exercised in other countries.—
Such was the horror, however, inspired by the :salmi
perpetration of these judicial enormities upon the.ia-
dividuals engaged in Babington's conspiracy, that
IQueen Elizabeth interposed to prevent the infliction
of the sentence on those over whom it still impended.
He was sorry to say, that in the last rebellion, in the
year 1746, such was the state of inflarnation which
men's ri,sions had attained, that a Mr. Townly was
executed in the plenitude of those attending disgust-
ing barbarities which he had submitted to the repro.'
bation of the House. After hanging six minutes lie
was taken dawn and laid on the block, but still
stewing signs of life, the executioner struck him on
the breast, and finding this not sufficient, proceed...,
to cut his throat. He was afterwards embowelled
according to the letter of the law. The origin of this
common law judgment he had not been able to trace
higber than the reign of Edward I. when David.
Prince of Wales, and the celebrated Wallace, were
executed for having bravely and heroically maintained
the interests and defended the independence of their
native land. The burning, in cases of petty treason
and witchcraft, long remained a disgrace on the Sta-
tute Book ; it had been repealed in the one instance,
and 1,1. sed, he said, be the memory of the man who
had procured the abrogation of the dreadful edict.—
He intended then to move for leave to bring in a Bill
to alter the punishment for High Treason ; and also
for another Bill, to take away the corruption of blood
as one of the consequences of attainder. This cot,
ruption of blood, he begged leave to observe, was
quite a distinct thing from forfeiture, and was indeed
a subject on which great diversity of legal opinion
had prevailed. Among others, the Lord chancellor
Yorke had written upon it. It consisted in incapa-
citating the person attainted of devising his property;
it left him, in fact, without an heir, or, in technical
language, disqualified him from tracing a pedigree.
His real property escheated to the Lord of whom he
held, and all the lands of which he was seised becaioe
then, not the estate of that public whose rites and or-
dinances had been violated, but of an individual, who
never had had any other claim, or indulged any ex-
pectation of the acquisition.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL did not propose
to enter at large into the question in this early stage;
but as he was not in parliament when his Hon. and
Learned Friend brought this Bill forward last Ses-
sion, he hoped the House would indulge him while
he made some general observations on the principles
by which his Hon. and Learned Friend appeared to
be actuated, although he certainly did not mean to
oppose his mution. He confessed himself totally
unprepared to speak on the snhject of punishment in
cases of High Treason, as he had not understood be-
fore that this would form a part of the propositions
of his Hon. and Learned Friend, yet he would say,
that the barbarous punishment so loudly and pathe-
tically complained of, was merely nominal ; and as
to the cornaption of blood, it had been devised to
deter men fiom committing such a heinous crime ;
for it was well known that individuals, whom no
human or divine law could keep in bounds, were
restrained from crime by the consideration of the
fate which awaited their helpless orphans.—(Hear,
hear.)--But this was a subject too large to enter
into at present. As to the other parts of his Honour-
able Friend's statements, he maintained that if pu-
nishment was to be inflicted according to the strict
law of the statute, no Judge could be found in Eng-
land, and the Assizes in this country would be con-
verted into disgusting shambles. But the taw pro.
vided for general points, leaving the various alleviat-
ing or aggravating circumstances to the discretion of
the Judges, with an appeal to Royal Mercy ; and no
system in his opinion, could be found more efficient
or more admirable. The Honourable and Learned.
Gentleman then quoted cases which had come within
his own experience, and which proved the necessity
of that discretion being vested m the Judges. He
denied that punishment was regulated by the value
of the thing stialen, but maintained that the law went
on general pinciples, leaving to tits Judges the ap-
plication of them, as aggravated entrmity, or the
prevalenci of the crime, might require. Such was,
for instance, the case of robbers' in gangs in the
streets; and he would add, that the case quoted by
his Honourable and Learned Friend,, of the fresh
water pirates lately convicted,, was set much of that'

cniblaantb,MA,i

desctiption, *et he would hive quoted it, is sup
port of his •wn opinion, had he not been anticipated
by his Honourable and Learned Friend. As to the
petition presented by the Jurymen after the convic.
tion to the Prince Regent, and produced by his Hon.
Friend, it proved only the innate humanity of the
British character, which prompted Jurymen and pro.
secators to intercede for mercy, even for men they
knew undeserving of it, at the solicitation of theie
wives and children. It was a practice so general,
that he was sure, from experience, that the Judges
could never leave an assize-town, from the nun:hee
of petitioners of that description, who would cling to
the wheels of their carriage, did they not run a race
with the prosecutor*, by saving themselves all those
that could be saved with safety to the state. After
acquitting his Hon. and Learned Friend from any
improper motives, the Hon. Gentleman concluded by
maintaining, that no theory, however plausible or
brilliant, should induce us to forego the substantial
advantages we enjoyed, and that the duty of the
House was to maintain the law as it was.

Colonel FR AN K L AND did not oppose the notion,
but was against the principles advanced by the mover,
nearly on the same grounds with the last speaker.
Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY disclaimed having tha
intention of enacting that no discretion should be left
with the Judge, and that the specific punishment for
each specific ffence should be set down, and the
Jude be positively hound by it t he bad no such in.
tenticm. He wished only to render.the definition of
capital punishment (punishment by death) certain.
If his Honoorable and Learned Friend the Solieitor.
General was right in his argument, it went'ilie length
of saying, that all felonies should be punished with
death ; and if that were done, he had no doubt but
the Judges of the land, if they were left a discretip,
nary power, would run the race of mercy with the
prosecutors.
Sir W, ()ARROW generally e;plained,
Mr. BATHURST was sorry to lengthen the oils,
cussion, but from the peculiar situation in which ln
stood, he hoped to be indulged. in a few observations.
He was the only person then present who was an ad-
r viser of the conduct adopted in the case alluded tCI
(the robbery of the Sisters hoy), and he had been in-
duced to give that advice in consequence of the cir.
cumstances of the robbery, and atter the most mature
deliberation. The Judge had tot onlyto attend pa hie
judicial duties, but to give his opinion on the cases
which came before him, and that opinion had been gi yen,
—it was not in consequence of the value of thegoods
'stolen that severity was exercikd, but in consequence
of the systematic attempt on the part of the pt ions
employed, to plunder the vessel committed to their
charge. He did not believe the Petition to have
been drawn by the persons by whom it was 4,e,ped
it was not drawn by Gentleman (gist 4.
Romilly), but, as he supposed, by an .tum.rcr of
' him, and was in.part an.culogy on the Pi.o now un-
der discussion, though those parts had not beep read
the Hon. Gentleman,
Si ft, R01411..LY said, upon ' his honmAr, be did
pot know from whom the Petition came; ha did not
know of the Petition until two days before the execti/
tion, when one of the Jurors called on him and told
him of the fact—and it was only two days ago that
he had sent to the person fol. it. He must differ from
the Right Hon, Gentleman, in his critical remarks ;
he did not think the composition above the level et a
tradesman, there was not one finished sentence in it
he never saw a more ingrammatical production; and
the insinuation of the Right Hon. cientlentan was 4.
together unfounded.
Mr. BATHURST declared, that he neither said
nor insinuated that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman
knew any thing of the origin of the Petition, but he
understood, front common report, that it was the
work of one who thought with tiim on that aubject.
Mr. RYDER was happy to him •
serrations confirmed by the opinions
Garrow) who, in addition to great t.
more practical knowletlfrte of t'l Crit
any man living. In the case adnt
creme by the Hon. Gentleman (Sir Sam
it wes-exceedingly salutary to have a
punishment could be inflicted on such
the result must be beneficial.

On the question being put, lea'
bring in the Bill, and also to bring
the laws respecting high treason, and
away corruption of blood in such cases.

• On the motion of Mr. H. Aanimeren,
Itself into a Committee, to repeal part of the
wages of Labourers and artisans. Leave given
lu a Committee of Supply the sum of 611.54,000
various purposes.—Report to-snotrew.
Certain Exchequer Bills were than referred
of Ways and Means.
Mr. D. Gloat' gave noti:e, that on Tuesday nt.
move for a Committee' to which motifs Acts plat.
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EAST INDIA HOUSE.
Yesterday a General Court of the
East India Stock was held, for the purpose
into consideration a Petition to be presented
liament, praying for a renewal of the
elusive privileges. The Court was
niamernusly atteacied. •
After the Petition had been read by
The CRAIIIMAN said, they had now ,
tion read ill them ; and, he needed not
it was one of no common importance.
of at would depend their dearest interests—the
rests of all connected with the Company,
and happiness of millions—and last, though
the good state of the revenue ot this coun
the trade to and from India were altered,
of this country must be materially
the change. It was not the wash ot
bar that any precipiyte deteiuitnation
come to on this Petition ; yet the sooner
with any propriety, come to a decision
and important question the better
should wish for some detay in the considerm
he humbly hoped that it would not '
thing be would remark with regard
was, that the blanks, containing the ni
outstanding, must be ailed up on
Petition was to be presented.
Mr. Rock thought an immediate
Petition, which was at very great
braced such a variety of *topics, should
by the Court. He therefore moved,
csinkideration of the Petition should be
Tuesdiy next.
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ANTI-IC.4TH
Lord ROLLS present
1 : IDUOUTH from Leeds t
retitions, severally, al
• Inims,
' Upon a suggestion I
Clerk, that probably it
i tie Visc.)unt (Sidmoutl
Petitions read, that NI
his desire that the who'
read accordingly, whet
' The puke of NOR
)know, whether it was t
' cognt to found any six
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lime Petitions 1
Lord SIDMOUTI
\ why such a question 1
ititn.by the Noble Dul
at their Lordships' Ts
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Oply exercising his rig
j liament 1 and whethe
1 put to take any furl)
consideration that rest
The Duke of NOI
rose of the least off
i 'gas induced to ask th
assertion in one of the
.c•
`l' 1p that, Petition it wt
4 relansl enjoyed full
political, That was
1 the fact, ~.... The privi
both Houses of Farb:
!gas not fully enjoyed
1 could Too Weed to
I' . Lotiogese, but
of rOdOst to I
Lord FIDMOUT
' . petitiopers with very
Isitli such severity th
legal petitions to that
came before their L
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‘' arrest submission of

sreq'ientiy, noweser, sawn w „.3 ,s,„ w ~.. ...e- COO cruet tor application, ana wnicn was ineretore Ine Ot/L•RA t VIV•UrE.LIKARZ
It
.a.zei upon the presdnt subject, within the walls of superseded in almost every instance by a discretio- to enter at large into the questior
J. iilament, which he should very unwillingly have nary adoption of that wise and humane principle, but as he was not in Parliament
. . itio:c"eiCiveclto theelsecwohnecTeeission"eofh4thde more powerfully illustrate his argument than by quo_ by which his Hon. and Learned
sncompaLible with the safety of the constitutional tins the sentiment of a man who bad ()nee been the be actuated, although he certait
asc littleatholiocf narrowciaims
PreiOdice as any man,—but be scrupled not to
itace, in conformity with the Petitioners, that he
' • establishments.
,that no unnecessary suffering, no useless pan , ought Learned Friend brought this Bi
ever to be inflicted under the sanction of the isle- sion, he hoped the House would
tune. Upon this part of the subject, he eoul not he made some general observant
ornament of that lieuse, and whose opinions would oppose his motion. He confe
The Duke of NORFOLK wished to Ask the have weight far greater than belonged to any thing unprepared to speak on the snbje
roble and Learned Lord, what was the distinction 'hat could fall from so humble an individual as him- cases of High Treason, as he hac
die would lay ciewn between civil and egliticaf rights ? self. In the observations upon our penal laws which fere that this would form a part
. Lord REDESDALE replied, that the distinction were published in the last edition of Mr. Burke's of his Hon. and Learned Friend
' was Clearly stated in the language of the petition.r Works, that distinguished person had said, that it that the barbarous punishment s
The civil rights were those which the Catholics al- was not wise to retain on your books those laws which tiadly complained of, was mere
ready enryed ; the political were those to which you do not choose to execute,.7that if they were not to the corruption of blood, it h
they aspired, and the granting of which the Petition- executed, it was because they were deficient in wilt- deter men from committing cu
f,
lets deprecated. dont* or justice, or mercy; and were therefore memo. fot, it was well known that inc
1
The Duke of NORFOLK was by no means satis- rials of your own violence or folly ; that although human or divine law could ke
fed with the clearness of the Noble and Learned laws themselves were dependent on manners, their restrained from crime by the c
.• Lord's definition. Between the terms civil and po- execution was not; and that it was a most dissonant fate which awaited their helple
.• 4itical he knew of no difference, except the complec- thing to exhibit the reason still furious after the pas. hear.)--But this was a subject
1: tion a hich each ch rived from the Latin and Greek sions were laid asleep. Here, then. continned Sir S. into at present. As to the other
sj
gi langu.iges, from which they were adopted. aocnilly, was a Statute which be was sure no man able Friend's statements, he nu
. 1..0rd 'RI:DESDA4 said a few word; ist mkt. who heard could enforce, unless accompanied by the , nishment was to be inflicted acc
station, strongest aggravation ;, and there was not, he was law of the statute, no Judge cou
' The leOltD CHANCELLOR left the Woolsack, happy to say, one single instance within memory, land, and the Assizes in, this co
t,,.. and observed, that whatever variety of opinions might which he heard of, of its being carried into literal vested into disgusting shambles.
lk, be entertained on the subject of the Petitions by the execution. The result was, that the Judgeswere in- vided for general points, leaving
tgreat majority and great minority of the Puhlic, the vested with a discretion, which, he knew, they trem. ing or aggravating circumstance
peaning of the Petitioners could by no means he bled to exercise—the discretion and responsibility of the Judges, with an appeal to Re
xnistaken. They saw a material difference between inflicting death upon the operation of their own pri- system in his opinion, could be
the privile gas at present enjoyed and the new ones vale judgmeut4 influenced, certainly, by public prin. or more admirable. The Hone
; i claimed by the Catholics, and to that difference they
lei le. To bring one example of the feelings excited Gentleman then toted cases whi
wished to direct the attention of that House. lie by this conflict between the letter of the Statute and his own experience, and which i
sh.wnld not detain their Lordships with JAlany %acids. the suggestion of the Court, he would mention the of that discretion being vested i
1 The temper and moderation which had heed so con- case of the three persons lately tried under the Act denied that punishment was reg
wicuo,usly displayed Os "About the country in the of Geo, IL for stealing silk on board a vessel. The of the thing stolen, but maintains
1 various discussions which m every part of it had Jury were so influenced by the circumstances urged .on general pinciplesa leaving to
takenpl4ce on the subject of the C*.theili css Was, in mitigation by the excellent characters given to plication c•f them, as aggravate
flighty credirible to the public feeling,, and 4e wa; the prisoners and the obvious severity of the law, prevalence of the crime, might r
confident that when that most serious and important that they unanimously addrerssed the Prinie Regent, for instance, the cis, of robbe
question
came before Parliament, it would be met ' eaplanatory of the scruples they felt, turd the reluc . streets;, and he would add, that
with suit '‘it. wi-diem and moderation by their 4..0rd- $ Lance with which they had brought in their itgdict. 'his Honourable and Learned F
, abits.—Atlou;..!.l. .7-Another object which he had now in views was 3 water pirates lately com*
ic, vr,
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re his I ormtt t 'IA
is o(one (Sir W. bat
talents, posselse4 Co
riniikutlf.aw than vas
misted to be ex. wei
Samuel &omen') ~'hi
a law, by which. It c
:h offenders, and not
mu
IN Was iTea to the
in n Billfto altar Prtiin t,
4 another co tak• in tl
ksee.
the HOWe niched was
lie Act regglatiog the °the
Ise to bring hi a mu. h
4,000 wee *wed lot 0 ui
first,
prod to a Coosolicsoo
to k
tacky nest he woui4 of II
Acts Mating to sbi hi
-,nololne¢ a bri
eras,
guar
he Propriet,ol.l4 it—f
purpose 91 ',king M
Nave
TI
asiperecbsenormtidr toymesni,l:arett..
was 1
by the Clerk, Sc
set beard the Petit Morn
mot to stave* that befor
zee. On the late `mod
terests--the into' thie n
(any—the relfarg This ,
though not lel To.nl
s country-4w i With 1
geed. chi reTenue *4:Wm
r deteriorated by Tu
those bellia Lb; 1191,
ation should be Pours(
Doner they Could* HAZA
ion on this great at Ort
if the (;ourt Fit,
msiderasion of it. Mora
Dr be long. One br Br
rd to the Petition consist
number of bonds town.
1 the car that the Tw(
drawn
e decision on this .x.'2000
length, and en_l; tiahth
lid not be Pres'em 'mare 6
. this the 'utile the ha
be adjoluned Id/ will be
Only PI
iria paVt, hi wa
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