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London, England, 1806-07-16 00:00:00

IRISH SCHOOLS SILL.

In a Committee on this Bill (which Rood as a Spe-
cial Order of the Day), and which goes to authorife
the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, for the time being,
to appoint CommiMutters to inquire into the Rate of
the funds for the maintenance of Free Schools io Ire-
land, Sic. Tome difetaion took place.
The Bilbop of Offory (Dr. Kearney) obferved, he
fhould have the honour to prom* an amendment to
the prefent Bill, which, under the circumflances, was
in his opinion neceffary. In the former Ae, which
the prefent Bill went to revife and amend, from a
certain lonfenefs in the expreflions, or ambiguity of
wording in particular parts, it was deemed, that the
chartered rights of the Univerfity of Dublin were
liable to be invaded or trenched on. With tepee to
a confederation of the kind, he thought there could
be little difference of opinion. Their Lordfhips may
recoiled, or learn from the hiflory of the country,
that during a period of two centuries, that celebrat-
ed feminary had uniformly, in times of the greaten
difficulty and danger, manifefled its unffiaken loy-
alty, attachment, and veneration for the eflablifhed
religion of the country ; the prefervatiop of he rights
and privileges, therefore, was what their Lordfhips
would gladly concur in. The amendment which he
meant to propofe, had the concurrence of the illuf-
trious perfonage, who was now Chancellor of that
Univerfity, and would have his fupport that day,
were it not that avocations of a different nature re-
qpired his prefence in another place. The Rev. Pre-
lite concluded by propofing his amendment in the,
fhape of a fhort enacting claufe—in effed, that no-
thing in the Bill fhould be conflrued to extend to the
Univerfity of Dublin.
The Noble Chairman (Lord WALSINGHAM),
obferved to the Rev. Prelate, that that was not exadly
the proper time for the confederation of a claufe of
the kind, as he underßood Come Noble Lords had
amendments to propofe, of a nature which would re-
quire a previous difctifflon.
Lord REDESDALE (aid, he fhould have Come
flight amendments to propofe to the Bill. He then
made Come general obfervations upon the meafure, of
which, in its then fhape, he Rrongly difapproved. It
fiat Rruck him as objectionable, on the (core of the
Adt being perpetual ; when, for objects fuch as thofe
to which it referred, a temporary meafure would, in
every point of view, be better calculated for the pnr-
pole. He Ibould, therefore, have to propofe, in the
way of amendment, to limit its duration to the IR
of January, 1809, or a given period after the corn-
mencement of the next enfuing fellion of Parliament.
The leading provition of the Bill, he conceived, was
to authorize the Lord Lieutenant, for the time being
to nominate fix of the Commiflioners, who were to
inquire into the flare of the School-Revenues, Re.;
and the remaining Commiflioners were, at fern, to be
appointed by the Corporation for Charitable Rela-
tions. However, the operation of it, he contended,
eventually would be, that the whole nomination
would veilin the Chief Governor for the time being.
Added to this, there was no neceflity for a perpetual
Bill on the occalion. The Commiffioners were merely
to inquire, and to report ; they were to do nothing
more. All meafures of the kind were but temporary,
when the inquiry was completed, the Commiffion
ceafed. Here it was rendered perpetual, and he
underflood the Commiflinners were to have (alaries,
thus creating a new fpecics of patronage and influ-
ence, and of a nature, which he thought Parliament
fhould not be prone PO fanftion. Further, the pro-
ceedings to be authorized by the Bill, would be pro.
dueive of much inconvenience, :old in a way that
would affect feveral of the tirfl and moll refpeeable
characters in that country. The Noble and Learned
Lord concluded by propofing his firlt amendment.
Lord GRENVILLE, in confequence of what had
fallen from the N. ble Lort; who fpnke laß,obferved,
that he fhould not have thro:Fhit it worth his while to
antwer what their Lordfhips had jell heard, were it
not that it teemed to contain fon:e infinuarions as to
the ioirity of the motives tram which the Bill before
1 the Committee was bought forward. It was cer-
tainly improper thins to impute unjuttifiable motives,
r before the Noble Lord was certain finch motives ex:
Hied ; what was the real state of that part of the Cale
to which the Nohle, Lord's infinuations were direct-
ed Under this Bill, a number of CommitTioners
were to be authorized to perform a tedious and trcar-
blefome duty, and for which, in print of faft, they
were to receive no falary I One of tittle Commit-
fioners, indeed, was empowered to ad as Secretary,
in which cafe he was to receive the immenfe and lu-
crative falary of look per annum I this was the
mighty and eztenlirc patronage of which the Noble

Wdl-77-eartled Lori complaint3T Neither enuld he
libel revere' el the firs or moR refpedable eharaders
in Ireland, by fuppofing that they would be inconve-
nienced by an inquiry into the modes in which they
managed charitable inllitutions ! He animadverted
on the nature of she amendment propofed by the No.
ble Lord, which he defcribed as not tending to a
temporary effect ; and, with refped to the objedion,
that the Commillioners would have only to inquire
and report, and no more, his Lnrdfhip obferved, that
was, in general, the extent of the duty impaled on all
Commiilioners. They would have to report to Par.
liament from time to time, and, on their reports, the
Legiflature would occafionally ground what meafures
it fhould deem expedient or neceff.ory.
Lords REDESDALE and GRENVILLE (eve-
rally (poke in explanation. And on the queftion
being put, the amendment of the former was nega-
tived without a divilion, as were one or two other
amendments.

The Bifhop of OSSORY then propofed his claufe
for the preferving entire the chartered rights of the
Univerfity of Dublin.
Lord REDESDALE obferved, that the &mina, y
in quellinn was liable to be seeded, as the language
of the Bill was " all funds and revenues for the pur-
poles of education."
Lord G RENVILLt teemed of opinion, that, upon
the whole, the introdudion of the claufe propofed by
the Rev. Prelate was not neceffary, and that its intro. I
dudion might be productive of ccnfiderable inconve-
nience, in a way which perhaps could not be well tea:,
fnned upon, as the confideration was one of pradlical
effed. In confequence of the office he had once
the honour to fill in Ireland, he had fume opportu.-1
pity of being aware of what he alluded to, and per.
haps the Noble and Learned Lord oppofite might
alto be aware of the fame ; betides, his Lordibip
teemed to think the introduction of all a chide might
tend to endanger the fate of the Bill.
The Bilkop of OSSORY fhortly obferved, that, in
confequence of what had fallen from the Noble Lord,
he had no objedion to withdraw the claufe. This,
on the permidion of the Committee being obtained,
was accordingly withdrawn.
Lord REDESDALE took occafion to expreft his
furprize, that the Report made by the Commiffioners
under the former Bill, had not only never been ailed
upon, but was not even forthcoming.
Lord GRENVILLE replied, that loch a confide-
ration did not reit with him. He could allure the
Noble Lord, he bad not the Report in his potreffion,
nor did he know any thing of it.
The clanks of the Bill were then agreed to by the
Committee, and the Houfe refuming, the Bill was
reported, without any amendment.

SLATE TRAOR RESTRICTION SILL.
The order of the day for taking the Bill into cola
deration in a Committee, having been read,
Lord WESTMORI.AND renewed the objedions
which he had offered to the Bill upon the fecond
reading. The effed of the meafure, he contended,
would be to give a monopoly to certain Planters in
the Weff Indies, and to deltroy a very profitable
branch of our national commerce. He argued firongly
againft that part of the Bill which prohibited the
transfer of [hares of Slipping employed in the African
Trade.
Lord GRENVILLE jufti6ed the principle of the
Bill as diredly refulting from the Refolutions of both
Houle, of Parliament. A traffic which was pro-
nounced to be contrary to the national intereft, hu-
manity. and policy, could not be too foon put an end
to. He would admit that certain provifiona in the.
Bill might bear hard upon individuals ; but their in.
'eras muff, as it always happens upon larch oecafions,
give way to an objet of great national confederation.
Lord ELDON pointed out the hardfhip of tome
of the enadments in the Bill, to which be entreated
the attention of the fupporters of the meafure. He
would not then offer any thing upon the general m in.
ciple of the Abolition, but he trufted when it came
under difctiffion in another Seffion, evidence would
be received at the Bar, to prove bow much individual
interefts, as well as the commerce of the country,
were likely to be' affelled by the meafure.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE fupported the Bill,
and contended, chat the Legiflature was not to furl.
fice an objet implicating its honour and chorally to
the interefts of a few perfona.
Lord SIDMOUTH obferved, that there never had
been any sittellion with him as to the propriety, hut
as to the pradicability of the abolition. He expreffed
his apprehenfions that the effed of the prefent mea.
lure, as well as of another Bill which had palled in
the cootie of the Seffion—he meant the Bill ter pro-
hibiting the importation of flares in Britifh bottoms,
into foreign Weft India Iflands—would be to increafe
the number of flares in our own Colonies, and by that
means multiply the evils it was the intention of the
Legiflature to prevent.
Lord REDESDALE expreffed himfelf friendly
to the abolition, but thought it had been retarded by
the harfhnefs ufed towards thofe who carried on the
trade. In order to prevent this Bill from being a
her& meafure upon individual., he fuggefted that
thole words fhottld be left out which rearided the
employment of the veffels now in the trade to the
prefent owners.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH was of opinion that
the words objeded to did not legally bear the inter.
pretation which had been put upon them. He con-
tended that notwithflanding the death or bankruptcy
of any of the part owners, the veffels might Rill be
navigated under the old regitter.
The Houfe then refolved itfelf into a Committee,
where Corn: converfation arofe upon the different
claufes, in the courfe of which Lord ELLENBO.
ROUGH warmly replied to an expreffion ufed by
the Earl of WESTMORLAND. The latter Noble
Lord moved to leave out the words tt any owner or
owners." with a view to prevent the trade from being
reftridcd to the prefent owners of the veffels emplo7ed
in it. This was oppofed by Lord ELLENBO.
ROUGH and Lord GRENVILLE, on the grounds
before hated, and fupported by Lord ELDON. The
propofition was negatived. Lord ELDON moved
to exteud the time limited for taking oui licenfes for
navigating veffels in the trade from the I R of Au.
goli, to the tft of September. This amendment was
alto negatived. as was bkewife an amendment pro
pofcd by the Earl of WESTMORLAND, to limit
the duration of the Bill 'to the end of the next Seffion
, of Parliament, inflead of two years. The Bill then
patted through the Committee, and was reported
without amendment.—Adjourned.

notion or ULPISANNUM7.
A Mekage from the Lords declared their Agent le the Quota,.
tine Bill and others, and alfo requeßed that a Copy of the Kapott
of the Committer for examining thrAccounts of tha Exchequer
of Scotland, relating to the Grants from the forfeited F.Rates, with
Abitrads of the Proceedings. 'fo this part of the Melrose the
Commons refolred to fend an Anfwer by McCown of their own.
Simgon's Divorce Bill was committed, and after the stamina.
tion of witneffea poked through the Committee.
The Ordnance Land BBL the Scaman's Allotment Bel, the BA
Rock Bill, the Scots Forfeited Mates Bill, sod Rodney's Annuity
Bill, were read a third time and pawl.
Mr. WILLIAMS WYNNE moved fee a Copy of the Comma-
' Eon or Cotrundlions, granted to previde for the prima arrange.
' mem and prdervation of the Public Records of the kingdom, as
the rich of July, t 303, perfume to the Addnis of die Houk,
Rating what bad been done wider the Coguniflioa, and what were
the prelim proceedings.—Ordered.
Mr. WI'NNE then pretested an Account of the Q2allflcations
of Deputy Lieutenants and Militia Mims, from the dare of the
laR return.—Ordered to lie on the table.

The Stage Coach Adikomiamot 11/11. the Genersl Warthout •
Int BM, the Woods and heft Bill, the Windl,,r fea-
red Inquiry Bill, theltith Hops, Ike. Bill, and the Ix
Bill were reported, and ordered tabs nada third time to morrow.
The Militia Officers Pay Oil was usmud.
Mr. PERCIVAL fold, distil email net tay any thint .
the Bill at prefent, but would take del fenfe of the Houle on the 1
third reading.
The Bill was thee ordered to be read a third time to-morrow.
The London Additional Force Repeal Bill was committed.—.
Report to.enorrow.
Mr. HA NIARD, Printer to the Most., red= an steam of
the expense of printing the Indian Papers the id of April to
the 3.. di of Juse....Ordered to Is ea astable.
On the asstins etas ciluosenim oldie E./WHEW ER.
the Reports mods kg await Omni limas appointed under as
AO of the sgth dam Lie, wades te. Fees to Public 011iees,
and other matters. ware ordered to hapeteteeL
The Mat Pea lads W was assomitted. Several Amend-
ments was prepaid and adopted...44ft to-morrow.
• 1111111 TORS BILL.
The CHANCELLOR etas EXCHECUIER moved the third
reading of the Agate& la
Mr. HUIREISOR pespead a Cies to remedy the &leas of
vouchers, whish WY and affiliate° the Bill by way of
rider. Hs then pejstti another ,Ossifss which was rejedted as
interfering with the eserdit a a prepsrAldirotion in the Treafury.
Mr. ROSE the. =Ve Chink adattbi the power of dui
Treafury as se ribs
The CHANCELLOR. ad dra.=l4,4l".Eit oppoted this, on
the gram
& dierrowssatinede sod wu r ceted. The Bill was
thee mad a erne Ott
ad pada
• WIT PAY.
The Report of the Committee of Supply was brought up, rels-
dna to the Additional Pay to the Army.
General TARLETON amigo that the Cavalry Officers ought
to be included In this. It was thought, it appeared, that Cavalry
Officers were generally pafons of tome fortune. But this was by
no means the cafe; and It was to be wandered that the drefs and
accoutrements of a Cavalry Officer lame r° expeneve, that be malt
(peed a year and a half's pay before he could mount guard.
The SECRETARY at WAR faid, that the fituation of the Ca.
vary Officers was much better than Caffic;rs of the fame rank in
the Infantry. He, however„ °Veered, that it would be wondered
whether an additional two &Wings a day fhould be given to any
Cavalry Officer commanding a regiment.
General TARLETON captained.
The SECRETARY at WAR then moved an Amendment in the
Minute for' the Officers' Widow., by which tcot was deduffied.
Colonel WOOD did not know why loch a grant to the Map
of the Army Was made at all at the prefent time. It was to Noll
that it would afford bet little fatidadifon to the Army, and Rill
was a great addition to the burdens of the country. It would not,
therefore. anfwer the Opel which Government had in view.
• Mr. WINDHAM Edil, that if we were to confider the Wenn.
hmt on the one fide, and the fatisfadian on the other, the ref&
would be that we could do nothing. As to the fatfsfaellon of the
Officers of the army, it was not dose with a view to give them fa-
tisfattlim. The objet was the good of the ferrite, as, by this
grant, you mltht get many meritoriops men who could not other.
wife beget.'
Colonel WOOD explained. .•
amoral TARLETON fold that his Honourable Friend (Wood)
had objetked to this inmate at this amnesiac time, when the army
was fb lerge. and when we were engaged in tech • year. When
peace came, and he hoped that it would be a glorious toe, thin the
adatiee would be @bade. But if the pay was granted, it ought to
be extended to the Cavalry.
The SECRETARY at WAR explained, after which the Amend.
.
man and the &deletions were agreed to.
PUBLIC HARBOURS.
Sir C. POLE moved the feCond reading of the
I •
Public Harbours Bill.
Colonel WOOD Paid, that there was a great deal
of private property conneeled with this Bill if it leaf;
to extend to all the navigable rivers, and care ought
to be taken that no injullice lhould be done. But ha
would not oppofe the Bill till be faw what could bd
made of it in a Committee.' In the mean time he
alked, whether it was go he confined to the harbours
of Plymouth, Pprifmouti, and Sheernefs, or to ex-
tend as far as be had before dated ?
Sir C. POLE Paid, that it certainly was not to be
confined to the King's harbours alone, but to extend
alto to all harbours for commercial purpofes. But
it would not interfere in the lead with private pro-
perty, as the objeet was only to keep the anchorage
at what it was, and this had been judged neceffary
from what had been obferved as to the embankments
at Catwater.
Colonel VEREKER walled that his Honourable
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Friend had not ody propofed to prevent nuifances
but alfo to remove them. He hoped he would in-
troduce R Claufe to remove the two rocks that occa-
fioned fo much inconvenience at Limetick harbour,
which mighe be done at the expence of xoool. •
Mr. HIJSKISSON Paid that this could only be
done by a Petition to the Houle.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHECZyER
was well convinced of the importance of giving fa-
cility to the commerce of fuels'a port as that of Li-
merick. But the thing prop•ufed by the Honourable
Colonel could no be done without a grant of money
in the Committee of Supply, and to introduce it here
was altogether ous of the queflion.
Mr. FOSTER I.4id that as the Hon. Colonel had
now learned what was the molt proper way to pro-
ceed in this bufinefs, he honed he would not forget it
in the next Seffion. Th: Bill was then read a fecond
tune, and ordered to be committed to-morrow.
PROVISION TOR TISK FAMILY OF LORD HILTON.

The CHANCELLOR of dm EXC_.

moved the order of the day for going into ,
mittee on Lord Nelfrot's Annuity Bill.
Colonel WOOD allowed all poffible merit to the

fervices of the late Lord NeWon; but confidering the
♦afl weight of public burdens pith which the nation
was preffed at prefent, and particularly thole impofed
on account of the army and navy, he thought the
annuity of 50001. a year would be an ample provifion.
He propofed that the prov &on fbould be limited to that
till the national debt 'hall he reduced to a 00,000,0001.
He would have an objeCtion to the sprovifion being
then increafed. lie adverted to what was done in
the cafe of the Duke of Marlborough, when sctool.
a year from the immediate reveuuei of the Clown
was thought fuch a proviiinn that it could not be
[offered to pals without a remonftrance; though then
there was no national debt, and now there was a
national debt of niswards of 500,000,0001. On theft,
grounds he fhould propofe tt. limit the provition for
I Lind Nelfon's famil,•to soya a year.

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mar m UM.
rnittee was the proper Rage for Inch a propofitie on, the
Houfe went into the Committee.
Mr. ROSE obfetved, that the Hon. Gentleman
was under a total mittake with reined to what was
done in the cafe of the Duke of Marlborough. The
provifion to the Duke of Marlborough, betides the
Spool. a year on the Polt Office, included feven
maaors,contaMing tOOO acres, which were purchafed,
and the incumbrances affecting them paid off. Bien.
heim, betide,, bad cog 540,0001. which alone was
double the prwifinn propoled to be made for the
family of Earl Nelfon. And I. perferering was the
(ante of the propriety of completing this provifion for
the Marlborough family, in its fulled extent, that
though the Tory Miniftry, in the lafi years of Queen
Anne, intsrropted the Ripply to the works at Blen-
heim, the arrear was paid up,.and the works com-
pleted in the reign of George the Second. Al that
had been done for the Duke of Marlborough wasd.me
at a time when he had an income of 40,0001. a year
from the public. Lord Nelfm was far from deriving
any great emolument under the public. Ihe prize
money derived to him from the battle of the Nile, as
he had declared to him, was hut between tormi. and
30001. ; the Captains under him had gained 40001.
At the fame time Lord Nelfon declared to him,
that his whole property then was but t e,oool. and
that he owed more. The mccn9my of abridging the
rewards of eminent ter vices wa, of a molt pernicious
tendency, and unworthy of a great nation.
Mr. FRANCIS raid, there was a great diflinftinn
between the claim of an eminent public fervant who
wet living, and who had children to reprefent him ;
and that of one who was no more, and who was re.
prefented only by collateral,. He thought the grants
propofed too much to tie made to collateral,.
Mr. H. ADDINGTON thought the public con-
fideration ought t, be no lets, becaufe the mints
who had performed the fervice was no mere, nor
becaufe it was to go to collateral, inflead of dire&
heirs.

Mr. WILBERFORCE raid, the permanent pro-
srifinn of spool. a year was not rn, re than was abfo-
lonely neecifary to fupport the dignity of an Earl.—
Tbe great objeCt was, to h,,.d truth to the navy re.
wards and inducements adequate to fuch glorious
ter, ices.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEIZUJER
raid. the reference tr. the precedent of the D. ice of
Marlborough would be aj• • •ond augme,mog the
provifion for the family, inttead of tlimmilbing it.—
When the Honourable Gentleman came to cot fider
the application of the grants he yond the soool. a year,
lie would find, they toad ..n grounds p.uticulatly
ftrong. There were tw ''urn of zo,oool to the !wo
fillers of Lord Nelfon, who we rnhjefis of peculiarcare
to him while living ; and there was a fum of go,oool.
for a Idling national inonumen,, ro tradmit the
glorious fervices of the hero to ..te late([ pofterity,
and with it the gratitude of the nation, is the molt
powerful incentive to an emulation of his eminent
fervices in a lie moll effential to the honour and
fecurity of the nation. The moll powerful incentive
of the human mind, and that from which the greateft
and moll noble stA s were to be expetled, was the defire
of founding a name and a family, which would for
ever 'teal the memory and the fet vices of the foun-
der. This nob!, ambition had a peculiar inflo _nee
on the mind of Lord Nelfon, and he ha ' ,
ever/ thing fublime that it c,,uld dieldie, it was the
duty >f the country not to Infer to be wanting that
part of his objeas which it was its bufin..fs to confer.
The claufes were agreed to, and the Report ordered
to be received tomorrow.

PILOTAGE.
Lord TEMPLE moved for leave to bring in a Bill
to regulate the bufinefs of Pilots navigating the Bri-
Wit Seas. The neceffity of Inch a Bill, he (aid, was
become as obvious as its utility mull be important to
the commercial interefts of thefe countries, inafmuch
as the h lies fialained every year hoth of property
and lives, in confequence a the bufinefs of Pilotage
being frequently undei taken by perf ns unlicenfed,
ignorant, and ulifkilful, loudly called for fume fuels
regulations as he intended in the Bill. He did not
mean to pi eL it throngh the Houfe at this late period
of the Sall n but merely that it fhould be read the
Er (I and fee. 1.0 i me, and go into a C-mmiree, for
filch amendments as flinuld immediately appear ne•
y. and then to be printed :or the information of
the parties interefled, in order to fuch further fug.
gettim• as might be made, and to bring the meafure
forward in the flex- SelEott of Patliament, in as per.
feet a form as poffible.
Mr. Alderman PRINSEP feconded the motion,
and only regretted the ahlence of feveral Menthe's
interelted in commercial c',ncerns, who he was fu, c.
if they were prefent, would heartily appr.ve ct
the meafure, and cheerfully join with him in return-
ing thanks to the Noble Lord for bringing it forward.
It was not merely from the ignorance or unikilfulnefs
of fuch pilots that the extenfive loffes is property and
life, alluded to by the Noble Lord, annually accrued,
but from their combinations, their obflinacy, and
their defire of extortion, in refuting to go out tor the
afliflance of velfels in rough weather, or apparent
danger, until they had made the moll exorbitant Ili-
pulations with the mercantile interclls in the cliffi.ret.t
ports, for the reward of their ferviccs, by which
means their Alliance was often delayed fo long as to
come too late for c falvation of (hip or crew. lie
hr.p..:d, therefore, the Bill would include fome mea-
t' to of effectual regulation orathis head.

The motion was agreed to. and Lord TEMPLE
prcfeated the BPI, which was read the fiiA time, and
ordered for the feeond reading to-morrow.

Sir ARTHUR WELLESLEY moved for an'
Account of the Emmen attending the printing oe
all Papers refpaling India Afain that lied been laid
before the Haute, and ordered to be printed in the
gawk of the prefent &Suns, with the exception of
shore refpaling the India Budget, and thole which
had been laid before the Houfe this day.—Ordered.