Star.
London, England, 1815-04-25 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

Mr. DUGDAI.r. prisenteil a Pe•II:ion from Birmincliam
against the hit olveht Debtor: Act. Ors!eied to he on the table.
&Ir. El:totals bruaglit to the bar an ACCOIII if of the deities on
Coale and CM,bits brought to the port of London during the year
1814. Ordered to lie on the table.

Mr. RODINSO.4 movaol for leave to bring in a Bill to make
proV:stoa fur etildrit Newees in the ()ohmles between the time
ut their beteg taken and previous to adjudication. heave granted.
. Mi. BARAIAM moved for leave to bring in a llill for better
securing of purchasers of Lands and Tenements under the De-
crews of Courts of Equity. Leave Liven.
On the motion tit Sir I. SHAW. the Post-office Bill was or-
dered to be read a :;cC(.lld time on Wednesday se'unight.
Mr. Will I'bItEAD mitred an Address to thl Prince Regent,
requesting that he would g ye orders to lay before the House the
substance of any treaty or toiagentent entered into.by les Md-
kry's Ambassador at the Court of Vienna with the Allied
eowers, on or about thitli of March last, and also buy obser-
vations thereon ex;,lattatury tit the views of his Nlajest y's Govern-
ment, with the date. err sty, observations, etc.
Lord CAS 11.1.2.1( EAGIi, atter protestinit against this being
drite-ta into a pre...eaeor in untire, which nti;lit cause many
advantages to his Me.Hty's thorerontent and to the pubbc an-
terest, as-er.red t• the anat.'''. •1 he freaty, he observed, was
not yet in a ra:illeal nem, but might be considered as btaiditaz on
ail the parties.
C .inatn DEN:: I: V, in the absence of his Right Hon. Friend
sir J. Newport), an on It I itCC,.llBkt, rose to move to a e4ll of
:e Huts: of whi it his ict,;ht Hun. Friend had given mince. He
surd t'te Fr. sein Eve of 1- tear, and the great number of iter-
portent matter. Mitch elannea the attention of the House, and
particularly the to: reviving the Property Tax, against which
there had been, snore Pe: hones than had ever been presented
us- tiny itoasure that was :u en sage the at is ntion of the Hou ,e,
reqter-ti that. ;tit he M.tnhrtswhowerenotpreventedbyillness,
or other isavoio..bit, manor/um s, slimed be present. Thine nu •
ancloili Pe.i..0..,, to.tre thaia any other cause, modem] 1
tarts monoti :he 1ie‘.6,131 j, it would thereby enable
the people to A•;clf.l n w,,ieh of • hur repteNtiltiitivri attended to
their complain..., w end toe attend to them, but In direct
opposition to their ~...i.tonss tits ropported a measure that had been
strewn • lie an univeisally odious and obnoxious to the whole.
mass sit the people. He coitclittled by moving, s• that the House
he called over on Monday next."
Lord CAS 11.1..1tE.1GH said, he agreed entirely with the
Honor, .ole Genrunian,,th at considering the present state of
Europe, and the many onpor ant subjects which stood tor the
discaesseun oft amiss., there ought to be as lu.l an attendance
of nienil Ts as could be obtained ; and he, then-fore, should
it:atlily agree t 4 the motion. It, however, he might be permitted
to ask a tititatik. tit tl.' .loliourable Gentleanan is that silt if the
house, he t'.'.utd be glad to know why the motion, which lie ob-
served by tuts uaZi r LOW& b.uuti fur 'llltirvslhj, was postponed t.
Monday
Mr. 11ORNrR said the answer would b. prompt. An Ho-
nourable and Learned Friend of hi.: (!:61" i. Alackintorh) was al.
r dy in possession tat Th4r-day tur his motion respecting Genoa,
it was, therefore, dintimined to take the next open day,
wilids was Mot.day.
Lure; CAS.FLEKEAGH then asked, if there was not a mo-
tion tor Monday
Mr. IlUitNe.H. answered, no. Monday was ni t a notice day,
gild !lig own 111049.1 respecting Naples stool bur toe day Willow-
nig ( Isuesday).
he CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the
second reading of li.e Property 'llia li la. he observed that he
thought the best way of disposing td it would be to read it a
second time to- night, that it shout I be committed on Friday, and
;hat Use discussion on the Mill should take place on Monday UM
the third reading, whu. the. call would take elf:et. That was
tie ...I.led to, and the Dill read a second tine.-I'u be etinunitted
oa ei way.

Kekturt usi the Scotch Records 841 wac received, aul thy
ardo 4.4 a bt; mad a 'hod tsi to marrow.

ALII.N DILL.

Mr. BATIIURSV twived that the Alien Bill
:lu•.uld tie coittmitiel.

On the (ovation that the SpeAlter do leave the Chair,
Captain lILNINicr objected, because he thought
• the bill was huilied tiliongli the House, and also
becau.e there WA, no resembiance between the situa-
iion c.t tals 4:ouatry at the 'Hestia period, and that in
iLti the measure wits hiNt introduced in II 92. He
t1;t: riiensy derived toile iolor.i.ation titan
Lair (ion Ne hp.tpti r‘cr they did Irotn 10-,
s. lie mentioiievl a case ulio;11 he under-
stood !mil lately happened, wlu rL several
(uvcilteen ut eighteen) tbho t'
esi•.:ed itt Satiolk-street,
had bi ii ail S4llt, out 1.4 the country, matey because
:11'1 e•WAS among them a gentleman named the Che-
vali.s ;Stucco, scone yens since a kind of agent
to £4atsll.ll Nimitt, -the Kiag of Nail Ls. l'ernaps
Utr Noble I,ut J .it the head 4,1 that might
Wiah to rid of nun by sciiding him away, for fear
lie might be in possession 01 any of that coirespon-
JenCe that hat )(Cell 60 111111:11 (.411/4t.1.1 •.f; ALlty poor
had beta SIIII)i)((d ()If lan various pretences ;
some, he believed, Ix use ticin ins offence of having
talks' in Invo Wito, tltcir dauOter lie saw
nu reason tt.r eistru-anis ,wilt extensive
p•)wei s, and thus etoi e objected t the 6,• eaker leaving
the ‘hair.
LIATIIURST th.it s hen he first
0pc...“1 toe bii tic had the II 'use the bill

was almost veFbatim the same as the last *. and if it •
was proper at all, it was requisite it should pass with
a> ninth speed as possible. The H•tuse had autho-
rised the Prince Regent to place the country in a state
of defence as to its fleets and armies, an. 4 surely tkey
ought to arm the civil power with sufficient authority
to guard against such persons as might be sent into!
the cottntly for alb worst pnrposes, and might be pro- 1
&Kaye of much mischief. 11t h 0 rd, theretorc, the I
House woilld agree to ifil into the Committee.
Lord A. HAMILTON said there was a great dif..
firmer between the present bill and that of t7ir!, he 1
cause we were then at wtr with ;tlm)st. !tli ZkfroPe•
and now wt; were in alliance with them all except
France. lie objected to granting.- Such extensi-e
powers, which had been abused in the c Ase of :,!•'F. De
Berenger had others, and therefore should °i, ig: .1:
going into the Committ,-e.
Mr. H. ADDING TON begged to .say a f!it•
wards. He said there were more th.:ll 16';u 10-•
reigners had arrived in this country since the rcturtt
of 'Bonaparte to Paris. acid the greatest part of them
under passports from the present French governmmt.
It was scatcely credible that aniung su many loyal
Frenchmen as should at this juncture be e.y.:r to quit
France, the French goverament weld no, send some
of their own emissariewo and ho did,not speak from
.light inhumation, when he told the House, that se-
veral persons had be-en sent hither for the exilic-, pur-
pose of purchasing aims for the enemy. Ile had
imp: apology to maze to an Honourable Gentleman,
for having came into the House while he was speak-
ing, and dime was part of the Honourable Cl.?title-
man's speech respecting souse Italiansin Sliftilic-street,
which lie was just concluling, and which he would
be ohl;ged to aim to repeat.
Captain BENNET re-stated what he had said.
Mr. H. A DDI NGTON declared he /au nut heard
one word of the ercurnstance.

The Bill then we;;. t^•rous;h a Cnturnittet,, and the
report via, ordcrtd to be received to.:not row.

cnteiNtrrrEr or surrLy.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved, that the House should go into a Committee
of Supply, and th.tt the. navy estima;...s auJ several
miicell.tneous .services should be relerie.: to th:.
Committee.

Wien the Speaker left the Chair,
Sir G. WAR RENDER said, that to save the ttrnr
of the Committee, he should abstain from go:ng
the statement of the voluminous estimates helore
lle would therefore content himselt sat:l barely
tieing a few alterations which had tak.ra place—an .1
it any H )nourabie Member wished for i.l!ormation
on any particular ankle, he would be ready to give
it. The navy estimates, he observed, eivided tt•eir.-
selves into two heath—the fleet afloat and the
serv:ce. Foe estim u of the oidioary
nee was increased about X 9.50,000, and the ex:rss
Was (Ming to the increase of the number of rersoa,
e,oployed in consequence of the detenti'm so iar,,:e
part of the fleet, as wed as from the large inci,
of half-pay officers, the increase of Fay ree ar.!i
to sailors and marines, :and to surgeons, and m isters'
'*fates, which had given the greatest satisfaction to
the navy. He was happy to say that arrangements
riled been made by which an Opportunity had been (4-1
tered to all midshipmen to be constantly employed.
The increase of the half-pay amounted to icp,;6,thio.
The reduction in the building of ships and rep.tirs
was upwards of £200,000 in the King's-yards. lie
was also happy to that the bleak water at
Plymouth WitS, in the opinion of all the artificers and
engineers concerned in, or who had inspected it,
likely to prove of the utmost utility. It bad been
town' nectssary to ask for another vote of seamee.
At the commencement of the Ses,ion an addition of
8000 had bcen agreed to, and it was now proposed
to increase that number to 20,0X/0 men. He congra-
tulated the House on the present state of the navy,
which admitted of a large fleet being sent out with
the greatest dispatch, and then moved a resolution
for 23,000 additional seamen for ten lunar months
from April 15, including 5000 marines.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY wished to make a few re-
marks, neither vexatious nor impertinent. There was
a charge of 45000 for parish expences and other con-
tingencies, and another such charge of double the
amount, and one for disbursements of re15,l)00. He
wished to know how they arose. In several instances
the estimates for expences in the public yards were
stated as uncertain. The various itenis which struck
him, amounted to £299,000.
Sir G. WARRENDER. said there was a head of
expence for what was done at Milford Haven ( Peer),
but that was a place where expenditure Was propor-
tionably far less tb.tn in other place:. Complete esti-
mates werodesirable, but the practice was of A mo.
dern date.

Mr. GORDON made several remarks en difroren!
items : 4.516000 were set down for old tore.F.
Great loss had leen sustained by the mode adop:ed
ut pressing on the sales, which prndtteed too little,
and :night occasion Government to lei..urdiasc At
high prices.
Mr. CROKER stid every endeavour had been
exerted to keep expenditure as low as pu‘s;hle. The
most ex.tct mode was used to auctit the accounts.
They were in fact audited twice, and he did not see
how they could be kept lower. The telegraph branch
had been stopped; but a short time would replace it
in its former activity. No stores were condemned
but such as had been damaged.
Sir M. W. RIDLLY, though glad to bear of
good regulations, saw no reason for not giving full
information.

Mr. W. SMITH commented on the chArge of
seiitiO a year for the Paymaster of Widows' l'en.ituis,
winch was more like a prevision for an individual,
than payment fbe such a duty ; but he thought the
Astronumer Royal, who must be a man of superior
science, and supposed to correspond with similar per-
sons is foreign countri:s; much tinderpaid at the rate
stated of 41129 i per annum, and 4100 for an assist.
aut. He did out object to £5OO a sear to the Chap.

tai••: GORDON elpla:aed as tr the Auzust sales
L.) mouth.

Mr: BENNET asked a questinn respecting CT.
:tin Usher, to which Lord Caoler:•agh under-
,,tnad t-) reply, that semetki..?; satk!act.ry had or
would be done.

Admiral HOPE said that Captain 1.7i!:-.r loci bccn
pensioneJ according to hii r.;:ik at the time he re-
ceived his wound. .
Mr. W. SlvitTH noticed-!he exoences attending
the dcparttrre of illustrious foreigners from cwt.
try. Ulider the head of 11arshai there
included the Princ; of Wurtemberg, nince
burg, and a number of others.
Mr. PONSONDY understood that Captain K";:,
in matters of this kind, had been a gre it ln•r
Mr. CROICER could not explain ever;
ticular ; he beliaved Marshal buchei's
at the head in this instance, as t:te first nalre
down.

Mr. WARD—The Arronarrer Roy 11 had been
variously paid for Ilk services sit:et: t!.: iitstitutlnn LT
Charles 11.• from the Admiralty, Ora tnt-e, anh
Royal Srlciety ; altogether he might rece;vz £-.'oo or
4100 a year.
•' Mr. D. GIDDY observed, that Dr. !.laskelyne
received l:•*ss than he cught ; he had a private ter tune,
and it was his pride to tender pnb;ic services.
Mr. WHI 1'BRE.11) neticcd ao article of a.
year respecting rats i:t the department—
bupi).—Fle feared that the improvements carried
into effect by individuals were not taken advaittai.:e
of by Governmen'. Rot :s were m.ide in the liint4's
Docks by m Innal labour, woich were male else-
where by machinery, and better. He laid seen
Portsmoutfs that would disgrace that ter; i-
cor.; • North America which the Commissioners ar
Ghent proposed to be ceded. Public work rui;ht be
done cheaper and better.
Sir G. IVAItRENDER did not undernane
en:arks of the Honourable Ni..rnber, but
ready to meet them there or any wilere else.
' Mr. %V. SMaii "did not see why the lioncitrahla
Baronet sh add take eilence at what Lit front his 11.):
nourabk Friend, who had made no p:isloal allo is its.
Mr. WHITBREAD was quite astonished at the
Honourable Baronet's taking offence at what he hail
said about the rats. He had never observed the
charge in any former estimate. Every item of esti.
mate was to be attended to, and he siiould always
feel it his duly to do sa. He had midi: no personal
reflection • but merely a comment on an article be-
fore the Hous-.

Sir G. WA RRENDE R explained.
Mr. WHITBREAD was glad the Honourable
Baronet was restored to goad humour, after what had
passed about rats and cats. His only regret respect-
•ing the Honourable Baronet arose from the loss ut his
eloquent and able support on that side of the R,usa
—(Laugh.)—Obstructions were generally found to
all naval improvements. Lord Spencer was tad by
some of what were called the old stagers" at Ports-
inotnh, that the bason formed would be the ruin of
the Navy. • _ _ _ _

Mr. lIONSONBY was not satisfied as to the charge
of for destroying the rat:—(Lausb).—There
was another charge of ,C 2 2s. for cats, which he
thought would be sufficient to ensure the destruction
of the rat: !—(Laugh)—This al.peared to Lint a most
eroartrour extravagance !—(Lavkb.l;.)
Mr. CROKE lt —Thc only exc the for these charges
he supposed, must from tlic rat: being in one
yard, and the eau in 4.; atlier e
another circumsi.tnce r.t gieatoT importance.
Tne Admiralty were particularly desirous of pruznot-
ing imprwoments in the dock-yards. What was
doing at Sheerness and Chatham, where a basoa arid
two steam engines were constructing, was to be ex-
tended to the greater yards as soon as conveniently
could he done.
Mr. FORBES and Sir J. S. Yo-.4K-s; said 3 few words
recpccting the cinistructien of c.:hl,:s.
answcr to some observ.itiol.s tiom Mr. Mar-
:au:au on the subject of Cahles
Admiral 11.01 E defended those Cables made in
the Dock.yards, ninth &Scribed as cempeteut for
Sit J. YORKE and Captain FELLER' confirmed
this tcbtiniony, preferring those made by manual la-
bour to those manufactured by machinery.
Mr. WARD rec(.mmended to the Lords of the
Admiralty that time-keepers should be granted by
the lioatd to Captains of Vessels in his Majesty's
service.

Sir J. YORKE observed, that the subject had
been attended to, and measures taken for supplying
them.—lt was then moved, that a sum of £354,0ut)
be granted tt.r the pay of the said men for the same
period.
Mr. WHITBREAD suggested the necessity for
having all the King's vessels fully manned. It was
a complaint during the American war that the 'hike
were in that respect incomplete.
Sir J. TORKE observed, that it was impossible to