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which had been hitherto pursued, they would soon
:hake the Monarchy to its foundation, and bury the
C;snstitution beneath its ruins. He begged pardon
tor intruding his observations on the House, and
would conclude at :nee tor saying, that he placed no
confidence whatever in the plunderers of Copenha-
. gen, nor in those who had the baseness to originate the
cry of " No Popery."-.—(Hear, hear, and laughing
from the Ministerial benches.)
Mr. LEYCESTER complimented the last speaker
on the consistency of the beginning and cod of his
Speech. He certainly stated his contempt of the hit-
, mister most cavalierly, and veryinuch, to be sure, to
his own satisfaction; but other Members might differ
..from the Honourable Gentleman, and he for one
• begged leave to differ from him totally and entirely.
For his part he placed the highest confidence in tile I
' s Minister. But as to to the present motion, could it
possiblt tend to any good purpose, or was it not ra-
ther calculated to produce a very bad one ? He did i
not much care who was in or who was out ; but if
the preservation of the maritime rights of the coun-
• try were to depend op the continuance in power of i
. the present Minister ,he would support the Minister
for the sake of the rights.—( Question, quettion.)
' Mr. WHITBREAD said, although the House
seemed eager to come to a decision, he hoped that he
would gain the customary indulgence of being allow-
ed to answer the arguments of those who had spoken
against the motion. The Honourable Gentleman
slam spoke last was extremely anxious to know what
good purpose the motion could serve He could tell
the Honourable Gentleman, that one good purpose
which it would evidently accomplish, was to give
him information on the subject of America; For it
was quite erident from the mamur of his speech, that
he was greatly in want of such information. The
Honourable Gentleman had made a declaration in
favour of the Minister,—he was ready to place every
confidence in him. This was, no doubt, a sponta.
aeons effusion, a gratuitous declaration, springing
from his heart, and directed by his understanding.—
He was even generous without bounds ; for he not
only loved the Minister, buthe loved his colleagues too.
They were all wonderful men; they were all men of
talent His praises, though very sincere, as it must be
supposed, were extremely well-timed ; for they came
just after the grand announcement of the Right Ho-
nourable Gentleman, who, as if lie had escaped from
durance, had told the country in no very obscure terms,
and rather with exultation, that he was was to be the
rrince Regent's Minister. As fir as personal consi-
deration could affect him, he (Mr.Wllitbread) could
insure-the House, tl.at he was excee,lingly careless
who was Minister; but as far as his country was con-
Cerned—as far as higher and more exalted motives
Could sway his feelings—Lc would say, that he most
seriously indeed regretted this declaration of the Ril;kt
honourable Gentleman. He regretted it, because it
forced upon him considers; ions of the most melan-1
choly nature ; because be knew that the con;incance
of the Right Houottrab4: Ge-''.'rnan in power, au-
gured fatally and ominously for the happiness of his
country ; because such a clisasti,us tact promised nn
good, and foreboded every evil ; because, calamitous
as had been already our situation, this was the shut
tins out of hope ; this was the beginning of despair ;1
this was the consummation of evil. he would
ask'the Hourable Gentleman still, why was his sup-
port of the Ministers so broad ? If the Ilonoui.:ble
Gentleman wished to be considered as delivering a
consistent opinion, was he quite right in lavis!,ing his
praises on the Minister and all his colleagues ? Was.
he not aware that amongst those colleagues there was
at least one, who differed from the RightHonourable
Gentleman opposite, even on principle ; and how then
could his approbation equally and consistently extend
to both?--(hear, hear.) The Hon. Gentleman then
argued against the denial of the papers by the Chan.
caor of the Exchequer. He was confident that if a
motion were made in another place for these papers,
the Marquis Wellesley would mat oppose it. The
Hon. Member for Yorkshire had refused his assent to
the production of those papers because, in his opinion,
they wou'd lead to angry discussions. That Hon.
Member had said, that he (Mk. Whitbread) had
spoken to-night differently from his usual manner.
He was sorry that he could not say the same of
the Hon. Member, .for to do him justice, or rather
ksjustice, he had spoken indeed most like himself.—
He had been unfortunately guilty of no inconsistency;
he unhappily had not departed from the usual course
which he had marked out for himself in that House.
The Honourable Gentleman had said, that the pro-
duction of these Papers would cause irritation. He
deprecated the fiery debate and the hot contentions
•
which those Papers would produce] and yet, with !
parleed inconsistency, and almost in the sane breath,
he said, that we gad every information which we
could wish before us ; and that every Member had
already in his hands just as much information as was
necessary to be the foundation of a contentious de-
bate. As to what was said by another Honourable
Member (Mr. Stephen) about the disappointment he
felt at the course he (Mr. Whitbread) had taken in
enforcing his motion, he could only,say, that he was
,extremely sorry fir that Honourable Gentleman's
. disappointment, aggravated as it was by the prepa-
ration which he arowesi himself to have made of fol-
• 'lowing the question step by step f if discussing the
Orders in Council in all their bearings. It was cer-
tainly a great hardship on the Honourable Gentleman
not to have the opportunity of speaking four hours,
as he had done on a former occasion on this subject—
(A laugh.) if the Honourable Gentleman had been
indulged with that opportunity, he would have per-
formed great feats ; he would have shown how wrong
America was,-and ho' right Great Britain; he would
have shown how little England had to deplore the'
Orders in Councii.--how very slightly her trade had
been affected; not only how slightly her trade had
been ajfected, but how much it had been btnefited—
how much her prosperity had increased—how much
be: wealth had been augmented. All these fine
things had been lost because .he Honourable Gentle.
man could not make the speech that he intended.—
But the Hop:Member resisted the production of the
. papers; He denied the Member for Milbourne the
obtainment of his esti #orto ; apd he assisted to keep
back that information which 9100 d have corrected
the erring statements of that Hon. prntleman, The
Right Hon. Gentleman, (the chancellor of the Ex-
ohequer), had alluded to others as having been the
authors of the system op which the Orders fp Ginned
were founded. In the name of every thing that was
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