Star.
London, England, 1805-03-27 00:00:00

habit ej'friendly insercourfe. His Lordfhip conclud-
ed withjepeating his conviaion of the inexpediency
sad abdhy of thi#
STANLEY sok to make fame. remarks
as' ..t had fallekfrom a former Secretary at War
. Yorke). and on the incomfiftency of his con-
dna, in the pert be bad taken in the preknt mea.
Cara *did not know .how to reconcile the can-
tina of the Right Honourable Gentleman, in -4.
provlag of the "dent =adore for the reduaiOn of
the-militia, after having Uinta introduced a Bill
for angmentlwtbat conaitutional fpecies of the na-
tiosal*cet The Noble Lord defended himfelf, and
there who'oppofed the prefent Meaftwe, from the ob-
late*** ,af Om Right Honoorable Gentleman,
that if what he calleda broad bottomed Adminifira-
don bad been fogged, tholewho voted againft 'the
precut bill- would have given their reatb, concur-
reace to the at now pyopofed. He then entered
at confidetable Inagth into # dirt:afoot of the eonfe-
alma= ef 4114 which he charnamised as uncon-
filtutkrial mad "Ifieß. He (aid, it was an attempt
to *grog; the bgniar Army, without afcertaining
thej Ito be the objea of the Rigby
Hon. a lass* rce, without be
tidirb iiicented !dim the apias he made afe of
sce:omttl:. •
Lard ON opptoted of the meafure. The.
principle was that 4 tbe Sill for the gradual reduc-
Clos thirkilida. He was cue wha thought that
op atositeri 'thee lad feffion by hit
;tight Hos. lrlsad (10.) +tt 3 or he felt then, and
aittaill fuel, that ,there were not fulficient officers for
thi Militia, as it toed at the sacreakil number of
alootoo. Hs Was as Officer of Militia biter* and
Mould do every dues is his power to (award the
bbjeas of the meafore before the Hoof..
TheCHANCELLOR of tbe EXCHEQUER laid
that be bad bees fri 'veil an:ions:to hear the fenti-
jams of Cumin odverfkm the mei** that he'
lied gonad.* that rather latallaiwi without offerist
hh feminsaiti; and if fame of Ai olifeevations ot
thole noble sad bmutable perfontka4 given pain,
the ("detente of the Nohlei.Ord were highly. grati-
fy*/ to his fediugs. He was co=ernedTto he ob,
uga Eo direst in opinion from Co 'many To:freebie
dear, olficers of militia, yet as their objeitions clif-
f-Slid very litde from thole brought forward by them
when he Ara introduied the meafure, it would not
be neeeffary for him to enter at large into the cone.'
deration of the fabled before the Erode. Ati ear -
;ion bad been urged- that there had been' no ,groond '
laid for taking the meafure for ineteafing the regular
army. Now, Gentlemen mall have forsotten,beith
what he had always of late advanced, hepatitis our
inilitaiy force, and whot they *unfelt= bad faid
in all debates on the fobjeil. "They (tented to think'
that he hail kid that the regular army was fuEcient
as it eats. He had e'er thought our army not fuf-
ficendy *Omitted, and is gasmen with the Honour.
able Gentlemen thensfelvea, that difpofable -army
was t (peeks of force molt particularly renal*,
If there was any Point in which thole Honourable
Gentlemen and himfelf and Meads had feinted to be
;Med, It was, that the regular army, ought tote in-
crenfed, the only difference being, arise tinderhoA as
the bell Mesa of profpeaiv y accoinplilhinsthat
objea. Whoever would look at the fituation of this
eomitry and Europe, tif the profpeas there might be
deepen the Coatis* la in honourable rciftanee
to Franceormild parcplie that we:did math want
to Wreak out army. It was &silted asfileonfiaricy
in a Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr.-Yorkeyllsa&he bad
owe laid, that the Militia ought only to be reduced
in cafe of emergency ; and that in puritance of this
notion that Right Hon. Gentleman bad not content.
ed to its reduelion till an expedition 'was on the eve
of being undertakes. Was the Country, was the
Monte" then, to wait in the prefent intbuice, until an
expedition &old be op the eve of being undertaken ?
—lt was Paid that the meafure was extremely unjust
and unconftitutional. The obfervations afthe Right

Hon. Gentleman (Mr. 'Yorke) on the point of The
ateafure beintonditational•or not, he thought un•.
anfirevable. The Web* of the mtafure the Hon.
Gentleman had not better fieeeeded 'in proving.—
Gendeiten urged that the Sfilida was raifed for home
defence4fur its own defence.. But would it be be-
lieved that 68,000 men were raifed for the defence of
the Militia, or that any pledge was given,' that that
number mould not be reduced in any circumfiances
of a war of Continental alliances and operations, and
many more eircutillances eafy to be divined ? Ano-
ther fuppokd contradiaion in the fpeech of Mr.
Take, noticed by'his (Mr. Pitt's) Noble Friend
and Relation (Earl Temple) wasothat in time of
Peace, that Right Hepourable Gentleman had
r thought 68,000 , Militia acceffiry. ; and then it was
eked- how it happened thin they were not necefikr,
in time of war? But the faiß was, that uo,ooo were
the numbers in time of peace • and by an Mt of the
Legiflature, the King had the 001Iere in time of war,
to calf on half the Militia to embody for general
(mice. . Was this as objeaionable as would have
been an A 4 for difembodying them altogether ?
-With'refpea to the feelings of the Militia Odicers,
they were :OA krupitlotifty confulted's and (Wald
be throughout.' Reverting to the argument, that
the Bill broke faith with the farmer andloufeholder•
who had elready contributed their (abdicates, how
(vas that breaking faith with them, to render their
rubllitute more immediately and effieiently'nfefulr
towards the 4efeace of their King and Country ?
The • fabditate would ty. this MI be rendered
.moct
valuable to the canary. without injury to the fisratei4,
If reduked to 4o:coo, the paftilhy of further but=
lot would be 'veer final s and if WNW there lhould
again be a hallot,• that would not fall upon the
farmer alone, bit' upon the whole of the country.
If we ,were botiqd_po the other head, to keep
up the eafualkics of 70,0 no• what would be the
injury of &tete iadividdds, inftead of the catual-
ties of 40.000t-lleit it was andited, that the Militia
Swage was glivaSed by the. telnittiori held oat to
awn to recruit into the Line; 11" that was fo, he
did not know ; but he was fure that 'eVery• meafure
would be taken. that could be taken leglilatively, to
keep, the ,Clldeere of she Line diftinft from Chore of
the Militia. Still be. would not deny, bat that if
Recruiting Offcers and derieants came in the way,
they`woord taiga the Militia men as much as they
were able; but fo rite from that pradlim being coun-
teaanced by Government. in the only one intiance in
.'teltichaa ar.B had been made to them for re-
*1111001"W‘: the agitation of the relent took
Axe. leave had him peremptorily refaced. Pa %Be

part of the Military Department, every thing Mould
be done in this fpitit, and if the quota &mild be fet
apart by the Officers, nothing fhould be done to in•
terfere with the Militia. So far then, as to the (Ned
'of the Bill, which he would contend was a juit object.
As to the obfervations on the regulations and detail
of the 'ineafure, the proper place for fuch would be
in the Committee. Repelling the appropriation of
the 17,000, he held rather a different opinion from
the Right Hon. Gentleman. (Mr. Yorke . He did
own. however, that he hat it in contemplation to re-
unit from it to the Artillery; and might be difpofed
"to recruit a few into the Guards; if to be met with
of the proper foe, and paeffing the other requifite
qualifications. In coer,4ofion. lie °barred, that as
the ground of the meatoitee. that ofincreafing our dif-
porible force, had been tinivorfally admitted, and
even by i t Fenitilext Gentleman-(4r. Windhain) ;as
the meaftire was of urgent • ,as it would
greatly tend to the advantage the tnuatry, it (hould
have his bell fupport.
Mr. WINDHAM Paid it ante not to be fuppnfed
he had any objeftion to the locreifeof the troops of
the line. That was an object Co Much iti conformitr
with all the &raiment' he had maintained, and fo di-
rally jp op tion to all thou that bad been foppor-
coht
ted by thei Honourable Gentleman who moved
this meafure. 4 10.10.), that itwas sot likely he &mild
oppole him in The pelt Honourable Gentleman
wit now employed •in taking down a part of the
lligg: which be bad been fo long employed in
eartti
.- He applauded the workinan and he ap-
planded the work. it was afatisfadiop to find that
the- Right Honourable Gentleman was fo good-na-
turedly difpofed to coned every thing erroneous be
MO :have formerly efiablinted. Confidering the
kites of time the Right Honourable .Gentleman
bid formerly been in power, confidering he Was now
in Power again, and that many wished him to re-
" main. in power, it would be to be lamented indeed
if he adhered to every error he bactfillen intp. The
Right Honourable Gentleman completely 'relieved
the Honfe from that apprehnifion, for a more point-
ed recantation of his former principles and pradice
could nor poffibly be, eabibited. It waccertainly a
departure froolhisforiner fyfletn only in part, far
with a happy varkey, it contained in it what, in the
(porting lantnage was called a hedge (a laugh), the
drat of which was, 'that there was a chance dip
Right Honourable Gentleman would at all events
'win.—(divid &orb.) Here the aitioureblerrentle-
man adverted •to the extent tp which the )(alias (It:
tem bad been from time to time carried. The Ang-
lifit Militia was inereaffiebY the addition of the Sap.
plementary ; then ***. San& Maki* was added, lend
aftawaids the frith. The builffing liras elevated by
heaping Rorer on florey'till it was nopeihlip to go
farther. The Right Honourable Gentleman wash
thin *time in the 'Militia has, he afterwards ictjall
{(top under the abolition of the ballot—.(o dregle..44:
He bad, however, Ruck to the old trade tart
He kept clofe to the ballot till its death, audit* cried
out its laßfpeech in the introduction of hit Pardit Bill
.....(a high)—this par& beauty, in cparfe rufkto that
he had round fo fafcinating (e ./opigh.).--The ballot
had not been given up till late. . it bad been glean
up, however ; tt was found that it increafed the
bounty, and that, by its peons, men were mot" to be
had for general rice: Then the Right Honour-
able Gentlepian fet out with a general declaination
agaida the ballot, which he at length found our was
very injurious '
to the fervice. The abolition of the
ballot was one Rep towards that negative Nero.
Whieb he and his Honourable Friends had mom-
liended. When being aiked for their plan, they Paid
it codified merely in getting rid of all the impedi-
ments that ebecked the fimPle recruiting. TQ re-
move evils was certainly the fir* Rep towards effect
ing good; but the Right Honourable Gentlearea
change bad not this effect. Two negatives, it was
Paid, made an affirmative ; but the Right Honour,
Me Gentleman's &tend proceeding, was but a furtheh
departure from his former principles and pradice.--
. His parilh bill went to abobili the ballot, or at, lead
to remove it to a ionfiderabk diftance. But if that
took it ;way, this meafure gave it back. Becaufe the
pariffi bill removed it to too great a difiance, this
brought it near, fo as to enable him more eerily to
come at it--(a lewd laerf). There ohfervations went
more to the author than to the meafure ; but though
meafures were to be judged of in themfelves, yer a
part of their credit was connefted with the perfonal
charader of thole from whom they proceeded,' and
therefore what be had laid on this head was not im-
proper nor irrelevant. The Right Honourable Gen-
demo had argued, that he and tbofe who were of
opinion with him that the regular force wit too
finidl, and the militia too large, ought to Support
this meafure. Certainly it would not be inconfiftent
in that to fupport it, but they were not therefore
necerarily to do fo. Though they argued thee the
militia Should be reduced, and the regular army aug-
mented, they were not therefore bound to approve
all means whatkever propofed -for carrying the& ob-
jeds into effect. His objection to this meafure Was,
that it did not produce advantage to the regulars in
proportion as it did injury to the militia. The only
difference was, that the number of men transferred
would be applied to a more advantageous ferrite.
He allowed the fervice was more advantageous, but
it was not trained men that the army wanted ; and
be pat 'it to the regular officers, whether they would
not Prefer unexercifed men to thofe disciplined mili-
tia, who would never make good troops. He did
nor fay that the militia was not in every refpeft equal
.to the rettneill staining ; in many inilances they
were
.get a a to' comply felrere difcipline„ but
filltri the nature of the &reid there was always fome-
thititrrehanlhg afoot li Milithi-man which rendered
Win **
' untraSatile than' Was • ennfiftent with the
Well being of the reguLtr fervice. Ho did not mean
in this Co- firllui;that no aidrilitittld erer be taken
from theanditia to the line, but never without great
emergency.' Another °Mahon he had was on u
broader ground, titer' if aby general modification of
our military ()Item itas to be retorted to. it would be
retarded and rendered more difficult by thefe occa-
fional expedients. The great deft of the prefent
fytlem was, that its flirts were not well joined, Co as
0 aid and co-operate with' isteh ' other. The Right
Hon. Gentleman had 'befides overlooked another
point of difference. The• eolith/tent' here propofed
was for life. which' wag • equally contrary to the ge-
neral, principle propo(ed by . him, and 'the original
prinCapie of the militia: He allobred that, if necedity
required, be biaSelfwerald be ready ii take Sport
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