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Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Corninens of the City, ‘eirrai I uAINC; s:A Mat this wait tee that Hakim bad heard
in Common Council assembled, • oldie assure.
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Mr. Alderman WOOD rose.—This Petition, he oh. . tilt i.ATF. on 11P:r0.n. .
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served, would have been earlier presented, had it not A 3itsinka re/pc:it'd to ku,,w v.il,ther Mitre imi ay.iyirthas.
been for the absence of his ntjeqy'sllinistets from ;11onsin i
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Lie part of Covet-now:it ,sayti rile tritinte cil!
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their seats in that House. He hoped-they were nt't ! tarot to theiate Dr. linter,
, , l Ttte. ell :1!4•.P.1.1.0 it of tin- Eli OlfiQUElt itchlewletiet4
at that moment far from it, as they but a sl:ort tour :
. the iroportAnt set-fleet of Di. 1.4:4,:e. ...
previously were in their places. The object of their Mr. 1.11.:11:1, laid chat blare was every afspoSition die& -'• ,ep • . ;
presence being desired was that the !louse Ottlit of Goternnieut to have given. 13r. Joiner a public fent ral, ai:i a
; tothb in Weattniniter Abbey; but that the *slalom Of the &-
have an opportuojty of knowing whether the City of
ceah.si *tilted the funeral to he priv.tte.
London were to expect to see remedied any of the
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abuses set 'forth hi their Petition. It certainly did etrePsY.
complain of their conduct. Coming to the conch'. The CHANCELLOR of the EltClltQlitliba...
iog moved the Order of the Dey, that the House dd
sires, from the premises regularly laid . down there,
that the present distresses of the country arose from resolve itself into a Comnaittee of Supply. Mr. CILEEVEY said, he 'fished much the CeuntrY that conduct, and the inefficient state of the seism-
could 'see the way in which the business relating td .
seetation of the conntry, he should feel it to be his
the Supplies was carried on in that House. Supplies
full length, in order to give such of his
duty to call upon the Clerk to teed the Petition at trete stow asked for as matter of course. Now ho
Majesty s
would like to compare this with the way in rubies as were present an opportunity to say, some- such a thing was viewed in times when Kings
thing on the subject. It came, he would venture to
and Queens were more at hitraty than they now are i
say, from a body, however they had been treated by
that House, as respectable as any Corporation in the and when Ministers were made of men fat more dis-
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tinguished. In the reign of Queen Elizabeth, when
country. They were chosen annually, and scene of
them had been elected f such men as Sir %Vatter Raleigh and Lord Bacon
or fifty successive years. No. were Members of the House, the following was the
inconvenience had ever arisen to them front tip:.
way in which the Minister thought it becoming to
mode of election, although there were up wards of
"sit the house to grant a Supply :—" Least the House 20,000 voters. The vote's had the means ofjedeing of
, should suppose that the Supply granted to her Ma.;
the charecteri of those who lived amongst them, ane
testy five years aeo had been sufficient for her to dd
chose accordingly. The language was re,pectful,
without needin,, to ask more, I do assure the house
although strong inferences were drawn. The Peti- b
that the same was not sufficient. It was not enough,
boner
considei ed the distress in the City to spring
especially that for Ireland, by onc-half, and her Mt-
from that which aillicted the agricultural cla•scs ;
jests has been obliged to furnish the rest out of her
and he assured the HouSe that, although the shops
own pocket, shunning; as she does, loans as a peo;
were open, it was as much as they could du to pay
tilential canker."—lt was difficult to know which
'the taxes. The Petitioa prayed for ecoeonty, and a
most to admire, whether the generosity and jos-
Reform of that ! louse to a more free representation:
tine of the Sovereign, or the wisdom of the Matins
He begged pardon of the House for being obliged to -
ter chitracterizing loans as pestilential cankers. Ile
take up so much •of their time as to have the Petition
e idled to know now %+ hat such persons would think,
'read at full length.
when they had one of these pestilential cankers te
1 The Petition was then read. It occupied nearly
the extent of ci-illt or nine hundred millions sterling.
ss twenty minutes reading; alter which
At another time, in the same reign, Sir John For=
Mr. Alderman %VOOD again apologised for hay- rescue, in seconding the motion for a supply, spoke
ing occupied so mita of the time of the House.
inthe following terms t --e When her Majesty came
The Petition had been carried neatly unanimously— to the Crown, she found the nation four millions in
-he did not think there were more than twelve against debt; but now she is free, and able to cope with any
it. He was glad to see that one benefit had resulted
Prince upon earth, as. the Spaniards learned when.
from the reading of the Petition, viz, the entrance of
they came to invade this country. As to her own
the Right Hon. Foreign Secretary opposite. He had
private expenses, they are but tittle in building ; lit.
no doubt they would hear from him whether they
le in pleasure ; and as to apparel, sheis splendidly at-
were likely to derive any of the benefits prayed for,
tired as becomes her high station, but withal not ex-
by what was set forth in the Petition. pensively. She has done away with those hateful
Mr. Secretary CANNING said, he did not rise to
things Purveyors; and the weight of subsidies is now
comply with the expectation of the worthy Alder-
one half what it was in the reign of Henry the Eighth.
Man, that he would go into the discussion of. the .therefore it is she trusts that every one of her subjects
various matters contained in the Petition before them.
Will assist her out of his own purse, as it concerns his
He rose simply to disclaim all concurrence with the
own estate."—Why, he wished to know, were they not
rivedany positiorthy Aldermvean'sbenefit notion
frthom hearinat the •Hg
read over a ouse had de• to be asked in that way now for Supplies? Woull
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it not have been as well had the Right Hon. Gentle.
long Petition, which they had all seen in the news-
man told them of some good done--..if he had to'd
papers some weeks back.
them, for instaece,that the salaries of Public Officers,
Mr. CR EEVEY thought there W2l more ground
which had been raised when the currency was de.
for entertaining the prayer of the Petition for Re-
preciated, were restored to their former amount
form at present than was generally supposed, or than
the Petition itself stated. Since 17(X), the population with the testoratiou of the currency ?(Hear, hear),
lie meant this 'Obseivation to apply to all, both high
of this country had increased front five millions to
and low, Prince or any teller person. We had the
twelve millions. Although, however, it had so in- end
right to demaint the abolition of sinecures and
creased, no extension of the elective franchise had.
purveyors, as Qn Elizabeth had thought proper
taken place, and it still continued that the county re
to make, and which e eie now only maintained for
Cornwall, possessing twenty-two boroughs, and. nly
the benefit of the privileged orders. If this were not
1,900 electors, elected *nore Members than onehalf bone by them, he :entreated them to tutu their ey
field, and other places of note, still remained tore- es
of England. Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham, Sher-
to the proceedings at the different .Public Meetings
presented. Surely this ought to lead them to a divi-
throughout the coentry, and say if any one could tea
sion of the elective franchise. It appeared too that what would be the result there depicted of the cons
this Cornwall had the most worthless electors in the ilia of property. Economy was the only remedy.
kingdom. Every day brought some flesh proofs of Bat what was it that made this difference in the mode
of asking supplies in the time of Elizabeth and the
their selling' their votes.• An argument in favour of
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present?
In Elizabeth's time Supply, was a sacred
a Reformist this respect, which might have been tn-
subject—it was raised for public purposes. The Houleserted in the Petition was, that it might be done by
an exercis of Commons had not then found the way of convert-
the time of Henry VIII. to James I. 190 Members erof the prerogative of the Crown. From
inglhe Supplies to their own emolument—(Hear).
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were added to the House of Commons by thiS means ;t was since that time that the debt, and the vast
and in the reign of Queen Elizabeth a Committee was augmentation of places had occurred, and created
appointed to inquire patronage to an enormous extent never even con-
addition of born hs. Now, if it were in the owes into the reason of so large an
ceived in the time of Elizabeth. That patronage had
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been brought by the Minister into the House of Com-
nf Kings to judge of this matter, he thought that
coons; for a Member asking the Minister to fill up a
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House might do so; for he could not help thinking,
• vacant place, obserVieg
ward VI. who began his reign at nine years of age, that his brother could fill lt
they were as competent to such a task as King Ed-
as Well as anybody else, was bound to all intents and
purposes to give him his support. Thus it followed
and died at fifteen. For this purpose, however, he
thought we ought to have returns made to that that the Minister, in asking the House to grant the
House of the number of electors and other charters, Supplies, was in fact asking the Members to help
upon which officers undertook to send Members to themselves. If they had any doubt on this point. let •
them consult the Report relative to the Receivers-
the House. He suggested ibis consideration to his
Noble Friend near him (Lord John Russell), as he General appointments, where they would see it ac-
tnally in evidence, that two or .three Members were
thought, with that information, a new groond for
Reform might be laid, actually scrambling fax the same place. Then as to
any sympathy between the Crown and the People,
Mr. T. WILSON should not have thought it Ilet
there was no connexion at all between the at. . The
cessary to fellow the worthy Alderman opposite, had
it not been for the respect he entertained for the City Crown was a grant annuitant on the Minister not
amu the ca,e of Queen.Elizabeth--(Hear, hear).— of London. As he. regarded the first part of the
They had occasionally the good fortune to hear that
• prayer of the Petitien, he confessed he was most
Anxious to see economy carried through every de-
his Majesty was in good health, or to hear of a Royal
partrnent of public expenditure; but he could not go
excursion or so, but there their Connection ended.
Now on to pledge himself to give his support to any and wha: did bud Bacon say upon this subject'
Kane, James, as it was known, was more anxious to
every measure for retrenchment that was brought
raise supplies than his subjects were to grant them;
forward. As to Reform in Parliament, he pledged,
himself to his constituents to be in his place when-• and upon one occasion it was thought that some °tie,
into undertaken to get him the supplies he wanted.
aver that subject was agitated, to pay the utmost at-.
Lord Bacon was then his Attorney-General, and made
million to the discussion raised tv,von it by thosehetter
I have hitherto "
t a sph to the following effect :-..
qualified than himself to do so, and to voteaccordinglye
remained silent on this matter, in which I think the
ftePoRM. 1 110Vse notch entrapped, because I did not at first u:•
Lord JOHN RUSSELL, in COnsegnenee. of the, der,tand what it A as. That a private man should me.
appeal made to him by Iris Honourabie Friend 4Mr.: elerta kr for the Commons of England, appeared to me
Creevey) gave notice that-to-morrow he would move; tas.,,K.ag y as that one should undertake for the fonr
for a Committee to enter upon an investigation ()f elements ; especially, too, when there be a new Pat,
the nature he had alluded :to. He hogged at the', iii,o,ei,t, the undertaking appeared so vast, as that
same time to say, that on thel4thol April henhoold' no than woct/d eater upon in his- sober senses.--
bring forward a motion on Refeten, of the same kind. No man, %then he comes. in this House, knOweth , ill
ihe had made last year. He could not sit down Witit he hear the 'Matter argued, what vote he shall give."
.at expressing his. satisfaction. at
.the growing intro'
rest winch the ealighteried {tart of the rommuoity -
took in Reform. He was glad to see this well- drawfl ft ii &Scott, • said Mr. Greeley,, to know it fort e
same llama-. As.weii might a man undertake is r a
ship coming Sale into ;lost. Affection and reason ate •
up Petition on the table of the House, And th•fti.ano•lthednly two holds which his Majesty can have upon
'titer irons the great county of heck was On its way, the Commons, and uo other. The-King says, w the
signed by nearer 90.000 than 10„04.10. freeholders. soney•youleore ranted me, is a prooroisioim,.ffe..
Tnese were the fleshes of the " dying embers of lie- time' Ntomif this had been done by persons packed,
liailh.d....4he Petition was then ordestil to be printed. it would rather prove tualeyolence than anything else.
. • FonEloN V4I.ISVmENT ACV. ' . ' It were baiter for bis,Majesty to call foes" nekpack
H ALTHOMF -gave tastier, that hie **odd tiuke oit of cards, than play with what are packed. Mos
Tbaragar . ar.st the-repeal Eddie Foreign Etilisumeht AIL *bet • L *el Bacon had 'discussed as a wild ;ififigi-
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i• i'• •• - COMMusrtiAvms Willi SPAIW. • • iistwiti, hidii..tll com4.to pass. _That was
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