Star.
London, England, 1814-07-06 00:00:00

After the Noble Lord withdrew, the SPEAKER
acquainted the House, that previous to any further
discussion, the form was, that he (Lord Cochrane)
should be remanded into the custody of the person
from whom he had been taken by the order of the
House.
Lord CASTLEREAGH accordingly molted that
Lord Cochrane be remanded into the custody of the
Marshal of the King's Bench,—Moved accordingly.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, he was certain there
could be but one wish in this House—that of bearing
all the Noble Lord could say in his own defence : butt
it could not have escaped the House, that great part
of the Noble Lord's statement had had the object of
ciitninating persons of the highest character in the
kingdom. He had not interrupted the Noble Lord,
because, in such a case as this, it. was difficult to dis.
tinguish at what point it was proper to interfere ; but
he did now trust that none of the calumnies uttered
by the Noble Lord would be reported elsewhere. If
such should be the case, it must be considered as a
great and wanton abuse of indulgence; and if it
should be followed by notice on the part of any one,
he trusted none of those concerned would consider or
urge a want of warning as a justification or excuse.—
(Hear, hear, hear.)
Mr. BROADHEAD observed, it was impossible
any person could witness the fall of such a man, as
he who had just left the House, without the greatest
pain, and much he lamented that in justice to them.,
selves the House could not pass his case over.—
(Hear, hear.)—With respect to the Address of the
Noble Lord, he should make no observation upon it.
but content himself with following the course he had
laid down for himself, and leave the House to act
upon it. He had felt it necessary for the honour of
the House to call its attention to this case. If on this
occasion he advetted to Mr. Walsh's case, it was not
because he considered there was any similarity be-
tween the two cases, but merely to prove that the
House had felt it its duty to act promptly where its
honour was concerned. In Mr. Walsh's case. owing
to some eh cumsrences he was pardoned, yet the
House htld, that a person stigmatised by a convic•
tine, was unworthy being a Member of the House.
Tire present case was certainly as strong as that.—
He did not mean to dictate to the House what was
fght to be done, but he thought they ought not for
a mornel!t to stiff. r a stain to attach to their charace
ter or body even in cemplieoce with popular clamour.
He sheuld therefore test the case on its own merits,
and move a Resoltitiors, es hollows :—.64 That it ap-
peared to the H .use that Thomas Lord Cochran..
lied been convicted of a conspiracy with others, to
raise the price of the funds,"
M. BROWNE said, the House had heard the
s-seech ti.e Node Lord, and the grounds on wbicl
lioneurable Gentleman had moved his Lordship':
expulsion. It wciaii Le for the House to say whethese
it weuld judge from the evidence, or from the record
of the co ,vicitio merely. 111 what he (Mr Browne)
on a f rmer occas on, lied urged to induce the House
to review the evidence, aud not to judge by the vtre
diet, lie had been led by a sense of justice, because the
Noble Lord had been excluded by a rule of Court
from ebteinine a review of his case. The very course
that hid beer, taken convinced him, that a review of
the circa:lnstances ought to be taken by the House.
vr if it did not, it appeared to him that they could
not determine on the ciretnri stinces stated by the
Noble Lord in his justification. It had been admit-
ted en all hands, on a foimir occasion, that when
there was any matter presented to the House to shake
its con9dence in the judgment of a Court below, it
was its hnunden duty to review the evidence. In this
ease the Noble Lord had solemnly protested his in-
nocence. A Learned Gentleman would tell him that
few persons Isere to be found complaisant eitough to
confess the justice of their sentence. But from the
hasits and the mind of Lord Cochrane, he did not
believe he could have faced that awful tribunal and
asserted his innocence so solemnly, unless he was in]
pressed with the fullest conviction of it. Could any
meq say that his mind was made up as to the com-
plete and positiVe guilt of the Noble Lord ? It was
sufficient to shake his confidence in the verdict, and
to suspend so penal a motion as that of the Honoura-
ble Gentleman .(Mr. Broadhead) when he heard a
whisper against the manner in which the Noble Judge
was s lid to have addressed the Jury. It was too
,nwh, with so few facts before the House, for them
to ssy that the Noble Lord at the head of the Court
hid nut inoriered in the way described by Lord
Cochrane with the course of public justice. The case
should be referred, he thought, to a Select Committee
to take it ieto consideration and to report upon it. He
cu,v no inconvenience arising from this proceeding.
He then moved that the statement of Lord Cochrane,
should be left rred to a Select Committee, with leave
to send fir p ira rs and t xemine witnesses.
The AT'l ORNEY-GENERAL said, that, in
peiet of form, the present motion differed from that
male by the same Hoeourable Gentlemen • but the
foundations of Lot motions differed eery little indeed.
1 he first vas, because the Noble Lord had been re.
foed a neworiel by a rule of Court; but he reheated,
that the rule in question did not so operate to the dis.
advantage of the Noble Lord. Two questions had
been i topeunded to the friends of the N .ble Judge :
one sees, why lter he had not cirected the ;:uunsel for
the p•osccutit n as to the manner cf drawing up the
int:home:it against Lord Cochrane? He asserted
that no such thiug was done, nor durst any one have
aeproached any Judge to make such an application
to him. The vetdict had been arraigned on ar.other
ground a for it bad been sated that the Chief Justice
could not procure a verdict against Lord Cochraee
with havieg a Jury packed and under his influence;
eppuinted by en Officer who obtained his situation for
political purpoies, order to do this work of ini.
cite y. The Jury wet appe'nted by the Master of the
Crow., Office, who was rsmoveable, like the Chief
listice himself, only in consequence of bad behavioui.
Tee Agents ot these d-fendants.were of the most re-
spectable of ohe profession ; but the Honourable
Member wOo had not appeared in his pieces lisid,h:m.
self 4t, ended the reduction of the Jury • and no wan
could point out where a more honourable Jury cook,
be ft cud than that of which so much unfoundeteeoe
lumpy had th t night beer! uttered.
Mr. BRAND said,. he thought, that before' ihri
1
should scud a Member back to kis Constitueots, the
should have befere them the evidence on which t4it
of in. conviction rested. In this cases. Ite
it peculiarly accessary ; for the case of %IV

itstuta c
tficught