Star.
London, England, 1801-11-18 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS„

Alp: fotne private betties had been goncthrough,
Sir FRANCIS B rofe and fad, that in order to accom-
modate Gentlemen on the other (Tresfury) Ede of the Hook,
be role to give notice of poffponing till Tburfday his prom/fed
motion for inquiring into tie condo& of his Majelty's late Mi-
nittcrs with wiped to the vmduct of the war, which bad been
appointed for to-morrow. He willed it had been matter of
compliment Maud or duty, at be Then Ihould have copra..
tunity of waving it altogether.
Mr. VA SISITTART prefented the Bin for amending and tor-
rein; certain errors in the late Lottery A. Read the deft
tint-, and ordered for the ferond reading tomorrow.
Mr. BRA 0011 brought up the Reports from the Committees,
of the Malt and Cyder Duty, and the Penfion Duty Bills.
Ordered to be engrafted and read a third WOE' tO-MOIMWS.
Reported silo, the Ways and Means of yofterday.• Leave,
given to bring in Bills puifitant thereto. . •. • .. . -
'llc Ifoufe refolved into a Committee ea the Fre& Bread
A& Repeal Bill. Mr. Celesta in the Chair.—Ordered to re-
port to-morrow. . .

An °Neer prefented. purfuarit to order. feVeral Eftiznatrt
relpeßing the Home Fitablithments fur the three months to
commence oa the sit of January.—Ordered to lie on the Table.
Mr. N. VANSITTAILT prefruted an Account of the Bounties
upon Pith, which was ordered to lie on the Table.
The Commirtre upon the Starch and Diltillery. Bills was
poltrined till Thorlday.
Mr Nawaeit.v gave notice of his intention to tnovfto•mor-
row for leave to bring in a Bill to indemnify Churdliwardeas
and Overfeers againft certain Penaltiesinsurroirby deaths the
Belief of the Poor.

IRISU PEELS.

The Honfe refolved into a Committee to take'
into contideration the Report of the Special Com•'
mittee to whom was referred the confederation of,
certain of the Standing Orders refreEting 'the in."
terference of Peers of the Realm at Eleetions Pori
Members of Parliament.

Mr. Banc.:, role and obferved, that the Report
of the Committee having been-printed atid in the
hands of every Member, it became the lets necef-
fary for him to trefpafs on the attention' of the
Committee at any length upon the fuhjelt, or to
detail the reafons why the Committee had• drawn
that line which was fpecified in their Refolution.
The new fituation in which the Peers; of Ireland
flood in confequence of the Aft of Union tendered
it neceifary for Parliament to come to Tome fpeci-
fie refolution with refpeft to them upon a point on
which the AR of Union was itfilf talent. thi
Parliamentary ufage of Ireland, 44 well as of Eng-
land, previoufly to the Union, it was not allowed,
nor held conftitutional, for Peers of Parliament to
vote or interfere by their influence at eleflions for
Members to ferve in the Commons Houfe, nor to
fit or vote in the Houle of Commons. It was fo•
Rill by the Parliamentary ufage of England. But
as the Houfe of Commons had-not yet adopted any
refolution with refpeft to the Peers of Ireland on
this head, it became neceffary (rime refolution
fhould be adopted. By the Aft of Union thirty.
fir Peers of Ireland were to be chofen by the bal-
lots of the Peers to reprefent them in the Houk of
Lords of England, and by the fame it w:u made
lawful for Peers of Ireland to ferve in the Com-
mons of the t nited Parliament for places in that
part of the United Kingdom called Great Britain..,
But in this cafe, and during fuch reprefentation,•l
they finfeited to all intents and purpofes their pi.
vileges as Peers, and became fubjelt tcriltthe dif-
qualifications of Commoners; they re,linquilhed all
right to v•ze for Peers, and became -bale to *
tried as Commoners for any aft Contriei to 18,w.
The object of the refolution adopted Syfhe Coni-
mittee was, to prevent all Peers of Wand from
voting at elefti,•ns for Members of the Commons
Houfe, fave only thole Peers who haying, by be-
coming Commoners, forfeited the priyilegis of the
Peerage, and become, to all intents and-Purpores,.
Commoners for the time being. •
Mr. Dawson 'obferved, this was one of the cfif-
ficolties arifing out of the meafnre ofUnion which
led to many material changes in the •Camtlitution
of Parliament ; and as it materially intereßed: the
Parliamentary privileges of Ireland, he hoped that,
in fo very thin an attendance of Irifh Members, the
Houfewould lint precipitate Bach a meafureorhere-
in thole molt concerned had no opportuaity• for
deliberation. He had always miderftood tha4 hi
the principles of the Conflitution, the right of fit-
ting in the Commons Houfe and voting for Mein.'
hers to ferve therein were co.catentve. HUM tliesi'
would the Honourable Member.reesnwile the Pri:
yation of the Peers of Irelatief ,ftvins voting
Nlernbers to ferve in the United Parliarneut for Ire-1
land at the sere time that they themfelres had the
privilege of beiog cleat-41 as Members (lithe Houle '
• f Oinimems. if not for Ireland, yet certainly in
United Par:iarni or ; how were it in he re-
, iinciled that res TT; after tirll voting fur NM to

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reprefent them in the 1-Toufe of Lords, might then
be felefted to the• Hotrfe of Commons, and gain a
new privilege not properly belonging to them as
Peers, that of voting at eleCtions as Commoners ?
Thefe were points which, in his mind, called for
very mature delibention, and he thought the dif-
cuffion ought certainly to be pollponedto a diltant
day and a fuller Houfe. Thole Peers who became
Commoners forfeited the privileges of Peerage,attd
voted in the Houk of Commons for Members to
terve therein one day, and the next, might. at the
r option of the Crown, by the acceptance of a nomi.
1 nal office, vacate their feats and refume at pleafure
the privileges of Peerage, and by this mephitis***
fort of management, become alternately Peers or
Commoners at will.
Mr. BRACME replied, he was fully aware of the
reafuns offered by the Honourable Member on this
anomalous cafe ; but he thought the Committee
had drawn a line precifely fuited to meet the diffi-
culty.—He admitted that trills Peers, after having
voted for their Reprefentatives in the Houfe of
Lords, might he chorea Members of the Houfe of
Commons, not for Ireland, but for England ; but
as the Reprefentative Peers for Ireland were cleft-
ed for life, there was not that likelihood of exec-
citing alternately the influence in either Houle the 1
Honourable Member profefted to apprehend. But
the Honourable Member would Perceive, from the
nature of the Refolotiom that no lath Peer 'could
be warranted to vote or interfere at elections, until]
by declaring himfelf it candidate for tome place in
England.or being returned a Member of the Houle
of Commons for Inch, he had thereby forfeited
every privilege of Peerage, and became to all in-
tents and purpoiles a Commoner. and confequcntly
warranted to etereife the privileges of a Member
of the Commons Hoare. He did not with to pre-
cipitate the meafure,' but it was a queftion which
pretled itfelf on the Houle for Come decifion or
'other, and he thought tome refolution thould with-
out delay be adopted. ,
• Sir Joins PARNELL obterved, that previous to'
the Adt of Union, trills Peers were disqualified
from voting for the Eleetion of Commoners ; the
Refolntion before the Committee, therefore, pro-
gelid to give them a new right, which might be
productive of this confequence, that as the Haute
batt transferred the right of judging on tflta_settions
Of EleEtions to a Committee, fuch Tribunal might
it:snicked-oaf —decide in conformity to the•law of
the land, and in oppofition to the Refolution pro.
pitted; he therefeire recommended rather to fettle
thiipoint by an Aft of Parliament; than (offer it
to ternain liable to the .confuGon in which the AR
of Union had left it. He (poke in tizong terms of
approbation of the attention (hewn by Minitters
to the Affairs of Ireland, and had no doubt, that
if the fatneluditions fyftern Mudd be rfevered
in, the ham:melt confetmences would refult to that
country.
Mr. Costal' fully coincided with his Honourable
Friend, Mr. Bragge, in the propriety of this Re-
folatien. He fa-id, the privilege of the Peers to
.voteist elation: for Members pf the Commons,
was a point upon Which both were at variance.—
The Peers 'uniformly attended at eleftions fur
Members of the Houle of Commons, ;ad tendered
their votes, which as uniformly were rejected by
the Returning Officer. But he thought that, to
obviate all doubts that might .arife here on the
7 fubjeft, the Refolution now before the Committee
became indifpenfable. The Committee above
Rain had paid the molt fedulous attention to the
.fubjeft, and adopted that Retaliation as the belt
remedy that occurred to them on the fulleft deli. '
beration, and the more it was confidered by the
Houk, the better he was Cure it would be found to
merit approbation. ' • •
The CIiAIICELLOa of the Excuaupsa: differed
from the Honourable Baronet, an& thought the
Houle of Commons afted more wilkly in defend-
ing its own privileges, to do it by Refolution, as
' had been the cafe for a century paR in the com- 1
: mencement of every Seffion, than by a Statute
' laaw, .which would bring the privileges of the
'Houle of Commons for ditcuffion in another At-
tenthly, by whom this principle was denied, and
might lead to confequenees which every one would
will to avoid. There was no &tote law that he li
ever heard of, to change the old principle in Ire-
land, that under the Refolution of the Houfe of
Commons, declaring the votes or interference of
Peers at eleftions for Members, a violation of its
privileges. The prefect Refolution, in AR, did
not go to create a new principle, but to remove a
difficulty. The • Refulation had been long eta-1
blifhed with regard to the Peers of Great Britain, 1
and it became nsceffary now to extend it to thole i
of Ireland, whole privileges it did nut ;t all di-
mina. • I

Mr.• BRAGG: Paid, he wilhed particularly to im-
prefs upon the attention of the Committee, the
theceffity Of the prefect Refolution. The neceffity
Of paffiag a ,kef&lution to prevent the interference
of reefs ur Eleaions, could not, of courfe, be dit
tined : if then, nothing was laid in that Refolu-
tion about Fleets a Ireland, they Scald be pre-
cluded lion% interfering in Eleetions, although by
the AR of Union, they were allowed to be eleßed
Members of that Hoak. Surely, therefore, the
Committee would not objcet to fume modification
of the ufual ReMlution of that Houfe, a modifica-
tion which the 'Aet of =ism bad rendered abfo-
lutely nectffary.
Mr. Dail/sow explained,
Sir TnOssas FasnitusaD Waved, that tbe
AR of Unbolt prefeuted dirsculties is this cafe;
*hid' cirtaialy might not tole increafed, bat as
Mach as poffible climiniffied. He thought the
latter objet would be anfwered by the prefect re.
fi

Mr. Simon Paid, the prefent snisafure flowed
out of the Aft of Union, and he did not fee how
refolution could he othenwife,confiltently with
tat litt•
The SPIAItIifAIJ. an obelliuti had heat made
to Neer of Ireland being allowed to vote at Elec-
tion% in Ireland. It appeared to him, however,
that the right of interference in Eleftiona, confer-
red upon certain lien of Ireland by the eacep-
turn in the /Vlution, ninti be general. If a
Peer of Ireland btcame a Member of the Com.
pions llintii of Parliament, ha became to far thr

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'United KingJorn ; *ad he Aid ant fec hre.• r.
difticietion et privilege could be introdnee.dT.
propriety of precluding Peers trivm voting at
Lions had, be raid, been muds gnettioned by gri—:
political writers ; and as all votes of fupply
need in the Commons Houle of Parlianietit:.
might, perhaps, be proper to allow Peers to v.,
at T.leaions for Islcnibers of that Houle.
Mr.' BRAGGY thought tome further delay wise!:
be advikable, in order that the fuhltet
' more amply difedired in a fuller Houk..
After a few words from Sir Johnl'arneli
Mr. Dawfun, the Itelolution was agreed to.
The Houk being returned, the ltepiirt'svaa.fir.
dered to be received immediately.

INDIA.

Sir W. Put TIM fiid. he had given nctice n(
2 Motion of coninlerable import:Wei, relative t,
the EMI India Company: he had been induce,: t..
poapone that Motion. becanle he had underito,l
that an accbrnmodation %cab litely to take obi&
between the. Parties. Ile wahul stow 'try in,A.
whether Inch an arranzrment was proliable,
order that he might determine whether he cp.,,u;l.
be under the neceftty of bringing forward hit
Motion. and at what time? .

The Co AIICZ lAA of the • Excavosraa faid, that
a progrels had heats made its the arnsagymeot, end
he had hopes that it would end in an apic4Ne
adjuliment. . ..;.„..., ‘
Sit .W. PIJ LTX E. fnid.~
he. could
bufinefs go off in this manner. • A day trllit,
be named for the confideration of this rubiet and
he Mould therefore fix to morrow fe'nniglit.
Mr. TIE IN ir laid, he thought the Honositai,:e
Baronet dealt rather harlblY 1)y there parties, be.
caufe this mode of driving *parties, while us
arrangement was in train, did not appear iolunt
to be a.very amicable procedure.
Sir W. PVLTIPIIET replied, that the bifinefs
muff loon be decided one way or other, bend,
the (ailing of the fhips' would fpeedily be fettled;
and therefore he fhosaid de his duty and bring
the matter under the confideration of Parlisnunt.
Mr. neap sr fail. be"hiped the Honourable
Baronet. would give Sibtlie to the Houfe of the Nee.
sure of his Motion--wbether it was to be a genera
motion for the appointment of a Committee in ill.
quire into this fubjett, or whether it was to be t
Motion founded upon the Papers now before Oe
Houle ? if it was the latter, be &Quid cenairif
oppofe the Motion. Atprefent. the Houle had no
notice of what was to come uts.
•

• Sir W. Pva ar rra.faid, his °hied. was; taut/it
Papers now before the Hags Gould be referral
to a Committee,- whu Gould have the power to
call fur fuch further information as they might
deem necefraiy. • •
• The CHAMCSLLAIL of the Excasupra fair!, be
underdood then that the intention of the.Hou.
Baronet was to move for the appointment of a
Cottipiitteetes take into eonfideratlon the Papers
laid Isefote the Hite 101 SefGons, with lletty to
Call foi further information, if they thought proper.
Sir W. Pax-risme did not with to have his Mo.
tion limited. •

The Srseitaaohferved, that the notice of the
atm Jiaretnet. ay it now flood, wag merely that
he wona.on-Wednefday tettnight bring forward
a Motion relative to the EA-Indio, Company. ,n
Sir W. rotrrear (Aid he conceived dial a fir
&lent notice:—Adjourned tin to-morrow,

LONDON.

WEDNESDAY. NOVEMUSLiS.

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We are happy to announce that difpatches hate
been received from Admiral Sir Hosts Poritsa,
which Rate that hirnfnif and that un'cler him were
all in health and fpirits at the time he wrote. Oar
Readers will recolleel that Sir Hosts failed many
months ago on a private expedition.
This day we received Paris J.;urnali to the 14th
inft. inclufive. The French funds continue to fall :
On the s 3th the Tim CesArrei. were At 55 r •
The molt important article in theft papers Is the
informatiiin, that the French j.:egiflasive.ii 14 tett •
on the lad infant. •
It is laid that the CesceriktisfortliPitk tb!;e Pub
tithed, by which the projeeed:futunTythan of eh
French Church is to by regulated. • We Iry thy
bis Holinefs the Porn gins Bo the te.i
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of his moR chrillian Oinftillhip; (1-e Coe°l t"`
( &rdirent.) He might as viellhive idded,;v•
Avow, The Catania limits the nunas'er of Arc•
hilltops and tillsops for the whole Republic to fill'
It rates an Aft of Oblivion on all•the errors an •
deviations from the difcipline of the Churcl!v.hic
happened during the Reiolotion; but the krie(
who have married, though they are not-to be 'fif
pogetred of their benefices, are tint to esercik ii•
clerical fimetions. The ceremonies, thc Galls. P7°
ceMons and holidays of the Church, t regal;
lions ;bons diet, &e. ege. are to be abridged any re
laresl—and certain fined revenues, indep.ndent
sythe, are to be attached to'each fee and each pa
pith. It contains a lumber of other rvelatiee
which swill excite much inwreß, as it will to=
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