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London, England, 1805-01-29 00:00:00

ing that period, whether in the form of ad% ices, eor-
relpondence, or ;nitrations. The difratch chic!,
occurs in the papers next to that of the fit It week in
September, was one under date the :tit January,
ti3o.t. In this no reference was made to the exp!a-

trltnter crrnotiow,f,nnt the variety of
crnl/taceti, and from t!..c vr-ry cl:rfery
Ciat Lc had I,zr) afrord..d of tl it was 4npolliLie
for him to unatrt:!ke to fay cf them
c. 111.1 he complied with. Of 11';:ny oh tLe papers re•

nations demanded refpaling the payment; made by
Spain, in virtue of the Treaty of .St. Palc.F.hrm:o,
or relative to the pecuniary fubfdy granted by
to France. And as on thk, as well at m all the

(wired, Le ILtd rn docbt were r
in polEition; not many, mi;:,iit
exiti ; however, he tmlted tii:q the. Houle and the I in-
nqurable Gentleman would be C4tisf.:2d v.-ith :ns ..rfut--

other points, lie very much waoted informat:an,
one of his motions Arnold be, fcr the prude Lion of
copies or extracts from any difpatch or difpatches
fent on the 211 t of January, by Lord Hawkefbury
to Mr. Frere. From this period of the 2111 of Ja
nuary, a very long interval took place. Not a fin-
gle letter appears from Lord Hawicefbury to Mr.
Frere, during the whole interval between that
day and the 2211 of May following. So long a pe-
riod did not furely elapfe without correfpondence,
intercourfe, or dircutlion. He, therefore, wifhed
to fill up hat interval ; for which purple he bad
framed a motion for copies or extrafts of letters
or difpatches which might have patted between
Lord Hawkeibury and Mr. Frere, from the 2 I is
January to 22d May, 1804. His next m(•tion
alto for filling up intervals. Thofe to which tic 11.ud
juft arrived, had occurred in the Mini:try of n.
Lord Harrowby. Undcr his Lordlisip, he cl,ferv::,l

ance, that every exertion wouhl be matic ti, gicc ;Item
as full info rmatior. on all the febjens of the mot:or:,
as it war, in the power of Government to
and that where the v.hole of the papers could rot be
brought forward, thofe parts !honk! be produced
which it might be pctlible to obtain. He fimild avail
himfeif of the motions being put from the
make fame flight obfervations on foaie of
Mr. GREY eirpreffed himfelf pcifeell ttt
with the affurance of the Right lion. ; he
wiQINI the: fplrir r,f Lis motions to be atil:eicd to
thcr than the letter.
The queition was now put on the fit :I motion, viz.
ft. "That there be 1-2. id before the Hoof,: Cr pie. or Extraets of
all Dif!;atch.:., or Inftruetions from his !`lajetty's Secretory of
State r.fpreliog the Succours granted by hyaO; to France. in the
tr.•rt!. ;, t,i;.:tf-r with :to A cro,o! ut tht Dif,:ut•
1;,1% ; rfpeAir,-; • 12r0..-."—Agr..•ed t,.
'• C py or soy I'. stiaa of Difpatehes ftor.l Frere ion-
Ifrzr:•7•:-. of the 9th of oi all

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an interval from the 22d May to the aoth Seiner:her, : : eiee :toe:, :a..! all Arßeers fr-:4 S:r in, rt:rink!tir-• ••, i0.13-,,g,
which would loom to have ruffed away in filii,,,llre
o;o;!l.rorri,:,.rr. :. :,'dory of ':':: ...pa or Seamen, duritre ti.. R'.; W:Iil
1'1:47'. -TA '.''.,'-ed to.
r- II Ad....r^^s..:r\Totrw marl. n- •- •r ,eci to
indolent inaaivit tr. On the 29th September, hoe:veer,
a tone of decifion is perceptible; for, on Oro. .:ae, i 1,,..i i', Issrs,nt Fr;;:c.: • t0g...th... ;itil 6.0.1 7 • '
his Lordihip appears to have w:itten to Mr. net e a :tlie,ltill:or.i.:toci,.eontenote,,oferr,,ve,:_i,i,..,ie..„„ern:lsrlite,itek:nts,;:i:itieoadinifiwefrarl'i,l:;.'..:•laic-.:iwteliki",crl..
difpatch, with initiations more positive and Alien I
b?ry.a,oir.d,;t:e.i..bo.f
suit: JrAwy, 1Y.,:4, I-tt:bet:o;
attincypeccou,;:“arty:nuorp-
than any hitherto lent. In this difpatch our Charee-
d'Affaires is inftantly to quit Madrid, and Mr. Fre:e 11"stao,"Ar eZeeLnirt.,tr°,r o2oto'ce
demands his pafports accordingly, in terms more I nereeineia.ny which Gr.:at 27ril '
politive and dire& than ever. .Lord Harrowhy •to the Neetrooy coo :!a .- 3.11 might CCIIEZ,.:.:. SI.:L r•k tee&
had, it feems, inftruded the Charge d'Affaires to the I On the ouellion being put on this motion,
fame efed, on the 22d of May ; but it was not till I The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHFoneeFere
the 29th of September that Mr. Frere found liimfelO, , rule.—" With retpeCl to that point, Sir, it is of Oo
as it were, irrevocably ordered home. While feeak. ! much importance, that I take this °nom loony to
ing of the Treaty of St. Ildephonfo, it had nor (co! •dr..w t.:1.-. attention (4 the Houle to it, 'bah: n00n0...
;oared to him to mention, that Spain, by her Mini. I tied that both this Houfe and the Huticer.ioe O:ero.
i her, has intilted on 'erne Convention of Nentriliie,ltieman will deem it not an iiioeffential circuranance
but what Convention, and in what extent, or Le ;to that enlightened deliberation to which
gnats n
o'ea.ifllappopinrc.t.,
what ends binding, did not appear. Whether whatj that l can fairly aver, that a molt
Spain had called a Convention was fuch, was a coin. I heoiliin, or milrepreneitatien, has Cl:lCili:VciY 01., •
pad convention or agreement, he could not Line I taii-oci on this topic. The Himourahle Gentleman
upon himfelf to fay, but h: wished very ninth to be I can, roverthelefs, it' he clink, prefs his motion.—
informed. Hence he had aniongil iii' motions one I will attempt no controul as to that. But this
to that effeCt. What he next felt to 12e defirable was I can tell him, that when he has made his mo.
to afcertain the preefe nature of tl•e iiditittlions of tion, and were the Houk to agree to it, knowing
Lord Harrowby on the 22d of May ,nil zoth of Sep- what I do, I very well know that there could not be
tember, and lubfequiently, to the 29th of September a forma 1 l'fitir/I made. With raped to any C<:nven-
to Oetober it, tb.:"4. In feeking information on lion at all, I further take this opportunity to fay,
thole points, it naturally followed, that he looked that Orange as it may appear, and however the term
for information tel eive to the condo& and difpofi- has been employed, and infifted on upon the and
lions of Spain, oi• .he correfponcliog occafinne. For hand, adopted or not refilled on the ether, there
this reafon he would move for copies or extraits of was no Inch convention, compact, or agreement, as
all difpatches, inflrtCtions, or correfpondence in I that obvioufly referred to by the Honourable Caen-
thole periods : and alto for copies and extra,ds of ; demon ; nay not any paper or document whatever
all notes and explanations which palled between 'that by the moll (trained conftruClion could be fo de.
the Spanith Minisier here and our Government, as nominated. Very far from that, there was no foc'n
well as fuch as had paired at Madrid refpaling the convention ever thought of by this country ; for in-
Convention of Nentraliy. Other papers occurred deed fuch a convention would have been repugnant
to him to be wanting, in order to enable the Houle to all jolt policy."
fully to jirdze of, and appreciate, the differences Mr. FOX --" Sir, I think with Coe Right Hon.
with Spain. The part Admiral Cochrane was Gentleman, that the motion now before you, is of
dilated to take in the tranfialions between the very great importance, moll fo, of the -oliole. But
two Powers, had led to various inquiries very as to the exihence 'of a convention, lam utterly ute.
materially deferving to be known in their refidts.— informed. Ido not, however, mean to fay that the
Thus, he had thought it his duty to include the liatenient which we have jolt heard, is ton. acetoote :
fubjeCt of the Corrapondence with that Admiral in it is orobahle that there was no convention. What
his motions ; fo that he thould have occation to I beg the Houk to recoiled is, that whether wrongly
mcve for a copy or camas from the letter to Rear. or detignedly, Spain has inti'led o:: a convention ;
Adiniral Cochrane, dated the 3d September, and his and it from inadvertatice, Mr Ftere never `,'et the
anfwer to the inquiries he was therein direCted by Nlioifier of Spain right, finely, Sir, it is an old fort
the Lords of the Admiralty to rpake, reiPeCting the if. inadvertence. I balieve tile Hon. Gentleman is,
quantity and fituatiott of the French force in Ferrol, :r was, a Member of this H. tile. I don't know,
together with the date of the Admiral's anfwer. A though; for, probably, I think of the Ambatfador
further interval noev occurred in the correfpondence itlitead of the Charge d'iljaires However. Sir, I
with Admiral Cochrane, of whom we do not hear %%culd think that any mart not half fo wife as the Mem-
till the 2t ft Oaober, 1804. To have that filled u:' hei s•of this Houk must be fuppoied to he, '.ield have
was very material to the Houfe in forming its lodi. deprived tire Minilter of Spain oi the ad-cantege of;
went. In his letter of the 21ft Oetober, the Adyni teem which was net coot-et, but yet which gave to
rat Oates only that the Spann hill's were Situated Seain a decided advent aee is difeittlion. It the term
as he defcribed when he lait wrote, alludink to the .....o, not cot t::!, it their W:i' no conveirtion, why did
t ith September. Now, in point of fat. the Icio.t. oot Mr. Fiere obviate the etleets 0: his own inadver-
drons in Ferrol had, during the interval in qoellion, teoey ? Mr. Frere might hive lapied once, .wlce,
changed pufitionsoone having gone into the inner 'trice, into an inadve, tent mode of Speech, bait could
harbour, and the ether, the French, having come he always'? Impair:hie ! at lead, I fhould not have
into the outer. He nook' move, thctefore, 1.)1* co- ti,ought that he would leave for ever in the raiiireffion
pies or extracts of all letters or papers refpeCtine the of his antagonilt a term whieli, of irfelf, crnierred on
(late of the forces of Spain, in the harbour of Fein to e real. things of that antagonilt their principal title
rot, on the 2 ill of September, and when received. Ito the merit of juflnefs. If a man h tee a difpute
An account of the ctilittion of pretetratiom in E:e- I is Oil me, and employ Several times a particular term,
tember, and whenreceived. Our Admiral off CaOlt 1 which ha:, nn appropriate conneetwn wish the futile&
and Cathagena was inftrtiCeed betides, to inform him. , in difoote, do I leave him in poffeflion of his term
felt of the fituation of the forces in thole hail., airs,' e-itlenit explanation ? Nn, eel tainly ; I relulve ti;
and of the !late of their edam's. He had a motion I liipute ilea) its natural elterent , So here. I would
to fubmit, for an account of all inhotaions fent to have t:totight that Mr. Frere, teeing the obvious :11
Sir Edward Pellew, and of the condtte of the Spa I effeCts of having inadvertently celled this (whatever
Milt Admiral at Ferrol.. The tratifaCtions of Spain it is) a eimvention, would not have lett the term in
in America were of confequence to be invehigetted. I the po Iletlion of MIL. Cevalloo of whole employment
Accordingly, he fhould direct a motion for papers on of It he had fuels irlefome illottrations. Dot whatever
the lubjett of any correfpondence of Sir J. Duck- the document to which we are now all ct us undet-
worth, our Admiral off Cuba, and St. sago, rel.i- hero' to allude, I with, Sir, to fee it ; ..ve will judo:
Live to, the Btitilh ptizes that were brought into thole of it when it is before the Houk."
ports ; for both in Cuba, and at St. "Igo, he under- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.
hood the Spaniards had behaved moll honourably to —" Whoever, Sir, 'tumid poffess every Wort-wri• r.
us, and had adhered to the IlriCtell ptinciplcs of on this topic would think with me, Clot there is
good faith. Lai/ of all, and not to detain the ;men- in reality no convention ; at the lame time it woind
tion of the Houk to what, thouole a very tiecelfary, be perceived, that what did pals on this fubjed
was in its own nature a very di y detail, he (hould amounted to the point in difpute. Spain has infer:-
conclude by moving for an account of all fupplies cd the exigence of a convention, an agreement of
granted by the Spaniards, to our fleets off Ferrol, neutrality of fuch and fuch terms ; not a llaternero
both under Sir Edward Pellew, and Rear Admiral, of recognition of neutrality. At the i ther time :,.
Cochrane. The Hon. Gentleman fat down with pre i laded to. a convention had not neceffarily taken
fencing his minions at the Table. I place. There never was any recognition of neutra.
'Fite SPEAKER having pot the quellion on the lity. There were written condiLions, indeed, necen
&in, lay to the acquiefeence of his Majelly, in the fyftem
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEUER al- of fobearance. It was, however, the nominal and
lowed, that every meal's which would enable the I podelred uentrality of Soein with rfall:e 'o which
Houk to difcufs more completely the weighty quet the Court of Maellid api,,!ls t•t refer, when Gentli.
don which was loon to be submitted to it, was of im- melt forpofe her talking at au Engiou couvention of
portance ; and hi this3view he was willing to conti• I mono:lite. This teems to be all the miltake. And
der the motions which the Honourable Gentleman . ee to.the• French ticaty i.f. neutrality, it could not
had framed with the with of procuring information ! hut us, who have never been informed what that
—(A loud cry of bear ! hear I)—He repeated it ;it ! treaty was. The true hate of ti:: care, however, can
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was certainly. molt defirable to obtain and to put the only appear from explanation."
Houle in poffeflion of every poflible information on a Mt. FOX—" Front what has
.been laid, it appears
Cubic& of fuch confequence. With regard to the nip- that a great deal of explanation is requilite to guides 4
lions propofcd by the Honourable Gentleman, nu ma. the judgment of the Houk."
feria! °Nation occurred to him at plefent againft The CHANCELLOR of the L:eCIIEQIJER-...
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their produCtion; but at the fame time, from the great " Tile C.leotleman who was our Ambaltador had left