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London, England, 1815-05-03 00:00:00

P4RLI4MEIV7'4IIr PROCTIEDIN.GS.

HOUSE OP LORDS, MAY 2.
The Royal Assent was &en Commiscion to the Tobacco
Tads. and Customs Duties Bills, the frith robsecO Oeties, the
Irish Treasury HISS' the Irish Bank Restriction, !HA Prize
Gneds, Southern Whale Fishery, and to a few other public, and
several private Bills.
The Lords Cortnie.donere were, the Loact CIIANIULLOas
Earl CHOLMONDtLE Tr, And the Earl of Sit ArTIMCIIT.
The Adaitional Copper Deries pat, and a number a private
Bills, were broUght up (rum the Commons by Mr. PiT.C.GDINI
Sir JUIII4 01.111Allt, Mr. G. LANGTON, Mr. MIITUULN, and
other Member, and read a first time.
Earl STANHOPE tigviug presented a Petition from a Mr.
Christopher Wallis, of the Boridsgh of Helicon, (the tenor and
object of which he did net approve) praying, for lege.; on the
grounds therein assigned, to be heard by hit Celbwel and inn.
dence in support of the nekton Election Bill, a conversation of
some length took place on the subject, in which Lord QixN-
VILLa, die Lotto CHANtI.LOR, and the Noble Earl, erre the
Speaker,. The result was, that the disceiilon was edjourned
till to-morrow. . .
On the motion of the Marquis of BUCKIhIGHA M, a mes-
sage was ordered to be sent to the Conimouß, ve..lucqipg a copy
of the Report made by their Comtnicee eiri the et.thk!ct of the
Jail Fees Abolition Bill.

The Report of the last mentioned Bin Was taken Into consi-
deration and agreed to by the House.
Certain additional documents (*.hive to the Naval Service
were, on the Motion 4f the Earl of DARNLEY, ordered to b 4
produced.

RELATIOSS WITH NAM*.
The Order of the Day, upon which their Lord-
ships were summoned, being read,
Earl GREY rose and said, that in 'pursuadee of
the notice be had given, he intended that night to
have Moved for the production of such in•ormation
as was tisuallT communicated by the Crown in cases
where hostetities had taken place between this and
any foreign country. Since his coining to the
House, however, he understood no objection would
be made by a Noble Earl to the proceeding. When
that information should be before the House, he then
would be enabled to juige whether any further dis:
cussion would be necessary on the subject or whe-
ther it may not be iguidlte zali r fu;-:;er docu.
ments than those the Noble Earl at present seemed
willing to produce. He would prefer th:.t th's inter=
motion should be laid before the House on the part
of the Noble Earl, thr.n that he should impose the
necessity on him to move for it; as he had stated a
few nights agp, referring to the Treaty of the 2ath of
March, that the most regular and legitimate Mode
of proceeding would be by a Message from the
Crown to Parliament; and that that 'fleaty ought
to have been rather communicated that way, or not
produced at all, especially in an unratified state. In
the present instance, however, they were told that the
case referred to the rupture of an armistice (Included
between the Government of this country and that of
Naples; and that on the revival of hostilities, a dis-
tinct ciimmunication to Parliament was not necc:.
sazy, as there was no precedent for any proceeding
of the kind ; and further, because the Armistice itself
had never been communicated to the 1-I.u;e. In
point of fact, in consequence of the arrangement
made, the former hostilities between this country and
Naples entirely ceased—that the countries were
de fade in a state of peace, and not only that,
but in a certain degree of amity and commercial re-
lation; and such a state of things between the coun-
tries was recognized by the tenor of the Prince Re-
gent's Speech at the opening of the Session. The
cause perhaps of there being no direct communica-
tion, was because no former case strictly analogoui
to the present in all its circumstances could be found;
notwithstanding chit, he must still think that on the
constitutional principle which regulated all such pro-
ceedings, a regular communication Should have been
made on the occasion of our being placed in a state
of hostility with Naples, in a regular and authentic
shape from the Crown to Parliament, but under the
circumstances mentioned, he would not then trespass
further on their Lordships' time.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL observed, he certainly,
under the circumstances of the tate, was ready to
agree now to produce the information, in order to
afford official explanation of the present relations
between the Government of this Country and that
of Naples, as far as may be consistent wit:i thq inte-
rests of the public service. He was certainly not
aware of any case of an armistice being ruptured,
in which the armistice had never been laid before
Parliament, having produced a communication from
the Crown. There existed, he believed, no case
which in all its circumstances would afford a prece.
dent for that now before them. The countries were
now certainly placed in a state of hostility, as the
Commander of his Majesty's loices in the Mediter-
ranean had given notice to the Government Sf Naples,
that he considered the armistice at an end, in tome-
' qtience of the hostile aggressions of MAT Stijl M'trat
against an ally of his Majesty ; but he had no com-
mands from his Royal Higlinebs to lay any .com-
munication on the subject before ParliAtiient. At
the same time, he had no difficulty whaterer in say-
ing, that he was even desirous to agree to a Istotion
of the Noble Lord's, for the production of the cor-
respondence that had taken place on the part 6t the
respective Governments t and though he was equally
desiroui with the Noble Lord to avoid every thing
like debate on the present occasion, he would beg
leave to say a few words in endeavouring to state
distinctly the general purport of the information
which he understood the Noble Lord intended to
move for; arid that the House may be aware of the
state of the question, he would observe that the
Noble Lord gave notice 91 his motion generally, on

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assussessee,
he consideration that an armistice being made be..!
liven the two Governments, which though on the
ace of it, it may appear a suspension of hostilities,
was connected with other transactions, which he re-
garded as a species of amicable relation, and there-
fore could not be considered with reference to a mere
qnestion of armistice ; but that it should be consi-
dered as an accession on the part of his Majesty's
Government to a peace between Austria and Naples,
and which accession held out the expectation that he
would, upon certain conditions, conclude a treaty of
jet 4
peace, which not having been done, we vir-
tually broken our engagement. In considettng this
view of the question, he would first observe, that
their Lordships were all aware of the general rela-
tions between this Country and Sicily, and though
we had guaranteed the kingdom of Sicily to its legi-
timate Monarch, there was nothing engaged that
beam! this Country to effect his restoration to the
Throne of Naples. Out of the former negociationa,
one grew in September or October, 1815, to which
we rendered every assistance; and further overtures
were made respecting the negociation, in conse-
quence of the anxious desire of the Austrian Govern-
ment to conclude a peace with the de facie Sovereign
of Naples. It was represented as necessary for this
Count, y to accede to wh a WAS then going on, as the
only chance of bringing the great contest then pend-
ing to a favourable conclusion, was deeme.: to be a
peace with the Government of Naples. He certainly
did not mean to say, that this peace, though nomi-
nally only between Austria and Naples, had not the
consent 'of the other Allied Powers, and of Great
Britain ; but this was expressly on two annexed con-
ditions—the one was, that an equivalent should be
furnished to the King of Sicily for his loss of Naples ;
avid the second, that the person with whom the
tieety was concluded, should cordially co-operate
with the Allies in the common cause. If these con-
ditions were fulfilled, particularly the latter, he would
admit that this country should have followed it up
by a treaty of peace. But the point in question was,
whether the de facto King of Naples did or did not
co-operate on his part cordially in the cause of the
Allies. Very soon after the treaty was concluded
they had reason to suspect, from a variety of sources,
' that Marshal Murat was not only not cordially co-
operating with the Allies. but that he was acting a
doable part, and waiting the issue of the contest be-
tween the two great contending parties. When a
N..ble Friend of" his had arrived at Paris he also re-
eeived farther information, and from a quarter that
afforded Government'a moral conviction that a con-
nection existed between Murat and the great Military
Power in France. In fact, there were no doubts as
to the negative of the question of his having co-ope-
rated cordially with the Allied Powers. When the
case was afterwards taken into consideration by the
Congress at Vienna, a long memerial was trans-
mitted by Murat, in the endeavour to justify his
conduct. This was referred so dii person who, of all
others, could be best judge of the uestioo, the Offi-
cer who coe.manded that part of the An,trian army
most connected with Murat, General Nugent; and
on this topic, and on the conduct of the campaign,
General Nugent transmitted a long memorial, which
should be laid before their Lordships, when they'
would see an opinion founded upon the facts of the
case, that; Marshal Murat had not only not cordially
en-operated, but had even violated the substance of
his engagements. Upon this Lerd Castlereagh felt
k li:s duty to enquire further. He sent a copy of the
paper to the second best authority, Lord W. Bentinck,
who had concluded the arm stice. His Lordship
made a report on the occasion, a copy of which should
also be laid before their Lordships, who would see
therein a perfect concurrence with the opinion of
General Nugent and another, that the gallidit Lord
had no doubt of Mural's having been in connection
with the enemy, at least for a considerable time.—
From these it would appear what. were the sentiments
of those best qualified to judge of the question, and
which were corroboi ated by the opinion declared byl
the Viceroy of Italy, Mons. Beaultarnuis. to fact no
doubts were entertained as to the main part of the
transaction, and he trusted their Lordships would feel
there was en ground for a supposition that this coun-
try had sacrificed its good faith in any thing like a
quibble or a false pretence, or that it would not have
f ulfilled every thing it would have been bound to fulfil,
it the other contracting k.arty had performed the con-
ditions on his side. Things remained in that state,
when, in consequence of the landing of the prevent
Ruler in the South of France, the operations took,
place, which soon led to the existing circumstances.
This statement he certainly could not have made,
were he not prepared to follow it up by the produc-
tion of documeuts, which, their Lordships would see,
would abundantly substantiate those considerations to
which he had referred.
Earl GREY spoke at considerable length in con-
sequence of what had fallen from the Noble Minister.
He entered into some detailed discussion of the prin.
opal events which had taken place from the period ofl
our Treaty with the legitimate Sovereign of Sicily to
the posing events of the present day. He denied
that, by that Treaty with his Sicilian Majesty, we
were more bound to support and asseit his interest
than the Noble Earl seemed to admit. With respect
to the Treaty concluded between the Allied Powers
with Murat as Sovereign of
,Naples, and to which
he considered the British Government as a patty, he
seemed to think, on cool and sispassionate investiga-
tion, it would be found that Marshal Murat had not
been so deficient in the performance of his contract.
By one of the articles of the Treaty, the indemnity or
compensation to the legitimate Sovereign of Sicily
wai not to be furnished by Murat, but was to be pro-
cured ler lum in some other quarter. The arrange-
ment was guaranteed by Austria, and in the discus-
veins wLicn took place, the March of Ancona was
intentioned, and it was even supposed that Murat
should have :t remuneration for reeouncing his claims
trim. Sicily, as King Gf Naples, to consist of some ter-
ritory containing four hundred thousand souls. There
was no proof whatever that Murat opposed the inten.
&al indemnity to the King of Sicily, and as he was
not to furnish it, they could not allege that he had
violated that part of the Treaty. AVith resp.ct to the
second con Jitiim, his cordial co-operation ssith the Al.
Ns—though hewn no apologist for Marshal Murat,
still he believed it-would appetir that his co-operation
;and- iesistance had greatly relieved Austria from the
treat pressere the etpetienced at the time In Italy.
fie had cleared the dentitions of the Crawl Dike of

NAPLES.

Tuscany Ad the Ecc'ethnical States of the armlet i puke side had constantly bpastefl. 'ortiiving the means
of France. The Proclamations of Marshal Bellegarde. of convicting the government of a breach of faith,
and of the Viceroy of Italy would bear tesi io i and one Right Hon. Member. (Mr.. Poosonby) had
the important effects of Muratisco-operation and the 'so perfect a conviction of • the injustice of the Allies,
frirmidable force 'which the Viceroy had in Italy at as to be frequently provoked to me for the purpose
the time of the negotiations at Fontainbleau had been of expressing that opinion. He therefore hoped the
admitted by the Noble Earl himself on a former oc- Honourable Gentleman would not hesitate to open
casi n. This was a subjat of reproach. however, to the House the grounds of such reiterated charges,
hey could be better informed on when the reports of not merely confined to a prima facie catr,e of evi-
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General Nugent and Lord William Bentinck 'should sure, but absolutely arising to a confirmed convic-
be before the House. He well knew the ezcellent tion of guilt. He had no objection to grant the pa-
understanding, and had a high respect for the mili-
..pers, but was willing to repel the calumnies uttered
tary talents of the latter. But if the Allied Powers against him. •
Of the British Government were certain of this dere- Mr. HORNER obse
inrved, that never, s ince he had
fiction on the part of Murat, the charge.should be the honour of a seat that House, did he hear a
openly. made and supported, by an exposition of the proposition sodst.ranHatelyhirdecze
facts. In this part of hits discussion, the Noble Earl the Noble Loiveddesaisrehistohashdribir firobmy
adverted to the letter addressed by the Prince de Be- the question ;r
and if such an opinion was. entert.ained
it w
nevento to Lord Castlereagh, on the subject of Murat by the Noble Lord, it WAS not founded an realary.:
as Sovereign of Naples, the object as well as the tenor The suggestion had not been fait ly
of which his Lordship reprobated in the most pointed made for the purpose of saving t rheeceti *vmeide o I t
the
terms, as transcending in. point of crime and audacity House ; and, having undersiood from the Nol
any thing that• elicited in the worst period of the Lord that the papers would be granted, he asked,
French Republic. In concluding, he seemed to inch- Wa
ss it fair to compel the House to listen to an mane-
cate his intention of moving for the production of fur. ay statement ?He had the power to embarrass
they documents, should those communicated by the
.the Noble Lord—the papers were already granted in
Noble Earl not prove adequate or satisfactory. another place. (Cries of Orcler.)" At least," added
The Earl of LIVERPOOL. in a short explano. Mi. Homer, Ii I may put the question in your hands,
tion, adverted to some of the leading propositions of Sir, and leave it to the H iuse without speaking a
the Noble Earl, and contended that what he had ad. word on the subject." He then proceeded to state
vanced on these points were nut borne out by the the grounds that induced him to move for the
papers
facts of the case, or by any thing that appeared on relative to the existing relations between Great Bri-
the face of the documents reined to; but of these tain and Naples. He had formerly asked, whether
points their Lordships would be better able to judge a formal-Treaty had been concluded between the
when the Papers should be before the House. The two Crowns ? and, if not, whether there was any ho-
Noble Earl then, after a few words interchanged nor:try engagement Subsisting, by which this country
with Earl GREY, across the table, Moved an Address guaranteed the Throne of Naples to Murat ? These
to the Prince Regent, praying for the production of questions admitted of a direct answer ; but the Noble
those various Papers and Documents which he had Lord having said that he was not prepared to give
adverted to in the course of his speech. any, he contended, that the hesitation justified an
Lord GRENVILLE contended that the regular inquo y for the purpose of obtaining explanation con-
parliamentary and constitutional course on all occa. c:ritiag it. Under such circumstances, he would
stons of the kind, was a communication from the bring forward his motion ; and to facilitate the in-
Throne, accompanied by the necessary documents quiry, he would divide the transactions into three
for the purpose of illustration. In the way just pro- periods : The first comprising what occurred during
posed, Parliament would in effect interpose itself the time of active war ; the second ref sting to the
between Ministers and their due responsibility. He affairs of Congress ; and the last, what since took
who censured the novel practice of laying the sub• place between the Crowns of Great Britain and Na.
stance tit tanratified treaties before Parliament; a pies. A Treaty had been signed on the 11th of 11.
state in which Ministers must know they could not nuary, 1814., between Austria and Naples, that was
be binding on the respective parties, and it was a the first negotiation, although evettures had been
course which he deemed equally unconstitutional and made by the Allies to Murat since the battle of Leip-
injurious. tic. A statement had then made to Murat through
Earl BATHURST briefly, but successfully, yin- the Court of Vienna, that England would accede to
dicated.the line of conduct pursued by Ilia Majesty's that Treaty—and stabseqtemt events proved the pro-
Government on the cession in question. Papers were bability of such a circumstance. Instrtictioes were
received by Lord William Bentinck, at Sicily, from
called for by a Noble Lord at the other side of the
House. And the copy of the substance of a recent Lord Castlereag!', commanding him to Zo, in come•
treat was not communicated b Ministers, but quence of the Treaty, to Modes, and conclude an
y
ordered by the House on the motion of a Noble al mastic& with Murat. This %vas accordingly clone
Lord, generally in the habit of opposing his Majesty's by .I.rird Wm. ileatinck, and the armiaice d &red
'Government. but in name front a treaty of defensive and tiflAtsive
Some further conversation of an explanatory kind alhance. Without ta.aitilig for the ratification of this,
took place between the Ealle GRLY and Liveiteoen., Murat immedi.itcly commenced military operatii-nt,
respecting the documents to be produced, in which attended with the most important advantag,l to the
the former expressed his wish to have a copy of the Alties. In the beginning of January Eugene 11.'All-
representations made by Marshal Bellegarde and Sit harnois ;...as carrying on offensive operations against
K. Wilson, our accredited Agent with the Austrian Marshal 13tIlegarde, between the Mincio and Adige ;
Army in Italy, respecting the coaduct of Marshal !but no sooner had Murat advanced beyond the Eccle-
Murat, produced, to which the latter seemed to have siastical States, than Eugene retreated. The Ho-1
no objection, provided such documents were in any siourable Member next undertook to shave that EnA.•
of the public offices. . land was not bound by treaty to ,ward the interests
of the King of the Two Sicilies. In 1808 a treaty.
The question was then put, and the documents
moved for by the Earl of Livitaram, as above, were was concluded, by which England engaged never
ordered to be produced accordingly. to make peace with France without securing the
At :awned till to-morrow. rights of that King ; but in 181 g. a second treaty,
li
supeneding the former, was concluded at Palermo,!
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The House was summoned to the House of Lords to bar the by Lord William Bentinck, guaranteeing the King's
rights to the island of Sicily only. The with of Eng-
Royal Assent given to several Bills—(for which see Lords).
The Scotch Preservation of the Game Bill was read a first land, therefore, was not compromised by entering'
time, and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow.
into engagements with Murat, smiting to that
Sir GEORGE CLARKE said, that he wotdd, on to morrow
sennight, move that the Report of the Select Committee on the -person the Throne of Naples. The I I iniairable
Ways and Means be referred to a Committee of the whole Member nOw came to the suspicions which were en.'
House, tertained by Murat of the disinclination of the Allies'
Mrs CROKER moved, that the Memorial of the Barrack-
to ratify the Treaty with hint of the I lth of Ja-
Maaiers of the Royal Marines Le referred to a Select Committee,
to report to the House thereon. ' nuary. Murat had ratified this Treaty himself on
The Greenwich Hospital Bill was reads second time: to be the sth of February, but tits ratification was sent on
committed to-morrow. the part of the Allies. Murat naturally complained
Mr. BuoGDEN brouglie up the Report of the South Sea BBL—
Ordered to he read a third time to-morrow. of this delay, but he was assured by the Austrian
Mr. BDOGDIN brought rip the Report of the Committee of Cabinet that they would, in all events, undertake
Ways and Means. that the ratification should ultimately take place;
Mr. Serjeant ONSI.OW gave nodes, that he would on the but that some objections had been made on the part
2oth, move for leave to bring in a Bill for registering Deeds in
of England, which would finally be overcome. The
February, and
all the counties of England and Wales, where there were not
however,letter con tawi na
si le
agedithis plteod eon oinsth theo
fp
now registries.
Mr. H. ADDINGTON moved for leave to bring in a ill
to amend the Militia Laws; and after some conversation between it was not until Marshal BellegardeaFrtehbafriltu. reached
Lord MILTON, Mr. H. ADDINGTON Lord STANIAT, and Sir
T. ACKLAND/ leave was given, and the Bill was read a first and Villa Franca, and that Murat had declared that no
second time, and ordered to It:printed. farther advance of his troops should take place, un-
Lord MILTON moved that there be had before the House a less the Treaty was ratified, that it was dispatched.
Return of all Regiments of Matta pow embodied, with their In consequence of this solemn promise, Mtietet im.
several stations, and a Return of all Orders to the Lords Lieute-
6th of March took the town of Reggio. It was rot
mediately proceeded to active operations, and on the
nants of Counties for calling them out.
After some conversation between Lord CASTLINEASU and
Lord MILTON, the first part of the motion was negatived, and necessary to detail what followed hom that—it was
the second part agreed to.
sufficient to state that, after a set ies of victories, Mu.
*
Mr. LUSHINGTON brought up an account of all the sums of
money given by Great Britain to foreign countries, by way of
rat at length arrived under the walls of Placentia.
loan, subsidy, or In any other manner, since 1793. Up to this period, as far as Austria was concerned,
Mr. VINEY FITZGERALD obtained leave to bring In the there was no manifestation upan the part of Austria
to break the faith which she had so distinctly pledged.
Assessed'raxes Bill, and the'Excite Duties 8111 for Ireland.
Mr. TIERNEY said, that en Monday he would move that It would be for
the Committee on the Civil List have power to call on and exa-
minestatement of
such parboils from the the Noble Lord to say, whether the
Lord Chamberlain's Office as it may Austria, that Great Britain only re.
choose. quired a slight modification in the Treaty, to agree
to it, was true or not. If it was truo, then did Great
Britain remain equally pledged to the Tieaty in scb.
stance; and up to this period her faith had also re-
mained unqueaioned. Alter this Lord Win. Ben.
tinck landed at Leghorn; but notwithstanding the
Treaty of concert and alliance with Murat, and the
plan of military co-operation for the war in Italy,
which lead been agreed upon with him, Lord Wm.
Bentinck took the place without any previous concert
with him whatever, a circumstance which was ul it-
self sufficient to excite his distrust. 'this was fol-
lowed, however, by a measure which WAS calculate d
to confirm that distrust, for Lord William Bentinck,
on the landing of the Sicilian division of troops,
which accompanied him, issued a proclamation as
from the Prince Regent of Sicily, calling upon the
Italians to join his standard and reinstate the ancient
dominion of the King of Naples. Murat naturally
required an explanation of theseproceedings, but he
ish,hrieimi
es
pc:
dsil
ruasbsi
umili
dcs,ti: anai
in
was assured by Lord William Bentinck that there
awsassuranno ceintwenhtiichu wolascaallfitengrwinarqdusesctioonn,
allobtfleurLatorbdeiverbally
u thus t
again Bologna.
lulled,
concert with the Allies, his efforts to destroy the

Mr. HORNER said, that although he had not
received any intimation from the Noble Lord (Cas-
dereagb) whether the papers he intended to move for
would be granted, or in part refused ; yet, as he had
learned from other sources, it was the intention of his
Majesty's Ministers to grant them, be should abstain
from pressing the reasons that bad originally induced
him to give notice of his motion. He would, how-
ever, remark, that in the case of hostilities commen,
cing between this country and any other, it would be
more consonant with the dignity of that House, and
more consistent with the spirit •of the Constitution,
that a communication should be made to Parliament
by message of such an event, and of the motives
leading to hostilities. If. however, the Noble Lord
intended to present all the necessary information to
the House, it would be of advantage to give an im-
mediate intimation of such intention, as it would save
the House the trouble of any unnecessary statement ;
imperfect, as of course it must be, from his not having
documents perfectly at thentic.
Lord CASTLEREAGH expressed his surprise
at hearing ouch an acknowledgement of imperfect
ialoriuquiblall from the Lim condemn. The op-

power of France its Italy. The Honourable Gentle -
man now proceeded to adyert to subsequent corres-
pondence which had t +ken place between Lord Wil-
liam Bcntinck and Lord Castlereagh, from when"
he deduced, on the part of the latter Noble Lord, 2
clear recognition of the title of Mtitat to he
dam of Naples—and an turequivecal engagementl;y
this country, in the petion of its Minister, to cons,.
tier him in that point of view, to Cie exc10..4)
King:of Sicily. This recognition had been so clear,
that Murat acted moo cordially with d.c Allies, aid
contributed inirretaidly to the success of the eat,
A variety of circ,imistances had tended to cutsfiru
this statement. lii the first instance there had bee;,
an attempt by Ileatihantois to enter into a svitrer•
armistice with Murat, asserting that a similar twriis-
tice had been entered into with the Allies. Ktrz,
however, fa'thful to his engagements, referred Beau.
hareois to Marshal Bellegarde, as the person tit:
whom any arrait;;cmeet I an armistice with her
must be made. Another en curnstance had occurred,
which was peculiarly calculated to r. move 41 dun;,,
from Mitrat's mind, as to the intention of Austra,
and England to recognize his title, and that was '4
note from nioce Mem.* nick to Lord Castivre,..,;,,
do ted Troyes, 1' -b. 11, in which a distinct retro :..
was made to a-lib'eral inJeniiiiiv La IL,Ly, to he :.;„..,
to the King of Sicily for Naples. Tl,e confo-trc,.
with Bonapatte at Coatillon, too, aft. i-Jto
COliht reation ot this inientiot...l:,r
nApArte deltrAlided the right of of C.e d,,.
minion of Italy, he was told that
the kingdom ot Naples lied been already
.—.Uttar.)—l..tsrly, in the Treaty of ~out, en
the Ist ot March, there was a distilct iustltottlun t,)
Murat, as King of Naples, to accede to it. it all re
Ally of these statements were true, for L.O
honour of the count. y he hoped they were no:,
his apprehension dune could be no doubt, that •i,inr,
was a manifest recognition, on the part of the
lists Govetnownt. of the title of Murat to the Ili
dom of Naples—(Hear, hear)—and, as far as 1:.: I: :t
had an opportunity of juti;titg, Mara tool, to
letter, performed his part of t'e engagement. 1!.:
would now, as far as he was able, give a com;e:r
tive statement of the forces of, the different P.m :s
in Italy at this period.—Eugene B:aiiharivas, ir.
the best information he could collect, had 54,00.
men, some of whom were certainly in garlic-,u ; ha:
his force in the field amounted to 4.5,000, v.. 1. • t:,e
tro. ps under Marshal Beilegarde did not exceed
31,000.—Marshal 13;;I1egarde had certainly a itenii•
nal force of between tau and 70,001 men, but of C.-se
:;O,OOU were always sick, "old 10,000 had eau ii!e
tired. It waii clear, thetetore, that but for the co-
operation of Murat, v. hielf clei.rly arose from Ilc
recognition of his title, Marshal Ikliegarde
have retreated, and the whole of the north of 11.1. y
would thereby have been kst. It waS true that i-e
had heard of instances of treachery, w:ich had been
discovered between Murat and I.:..tavil.arnois ;
that a propckition had been made for uniting their
inv, and proclaiming the independence! of Lao-.
Tins might or fright not he the case ; but, on t!.e
ther hand, the House should recelle,-:, !..lat thee?
were also proposition on the part of Mat;aal
legarde to unite his at Ms with those of (tree
and the other Allies of E _trode, and, by destroyirig;
Morat, overturn his rretens.°:ls to-military .:,yea.
'holey. He earnestly entreated the House, ho Auer-.
it the Nol.le Lord rested the defence of his c•-)11,'.1.c:-.
upon Ciese grouads, that they would requi. e of tan:
to spec f'y the tones and places of these irmisactio.i.,
and tali, her posterior or anterior to the Treaty t' ::e
the A 11: s. fle -did not mean to ry into the
reeding: at Congiess, yet tie wishe,! to know r
the question ot the title of Murat to the king.l •IL.
Naples had been there called in qu•sion ? !!
part of France, it was probable that a claim ht
have been made to t!n kingdom, but he are:,
!tended the united voices of Austria and Englaria
once set the question at test by a distinct recognititia
on their pent of their Ally. The Honourable (lee
ttentan now pioce..-Jed to comment, with
upon the letter ot Pinter.: Talleyrand to Lord C
tlereagh, which he desciibcd as one of the nio,t
grace iii that could have conic from the pen of a
1110111al . I I ;Vi his .sincere: W that it mig::c
be aiiavowed by the Noble Lord, because' it pre-
supposed a communication with 11;s Lortist..ii,
which would be disgraceful to the Minuter of aq
country, under the engawinurts vatic; had
viously existed. The lionourable Gentletaiii
next adverted to a propos:li which ha i be, .1
made from Murat to this country, pi; v.oro
the arrival of the Noisle Lad (Castl is ) 111,1 u
the Continent, which gave us an opporttio.ty
deeming our breloeit faith with him, and sec.e..4
Inns as a powerful ally to Great Britain. At
period to sv loch he alluded, a person artiec.!
lull pawets from Murat, offering, Lrovidei
as King of N..ples WAS ICC- gtuzed, to hi iiig an a::.:
of I'o,ooo men into the &Id in support id 5' •b,
of Great Britain,- and to cuter into
Treaty, whereby the principal matn:acii•res 1.,!':•-•
Britain, woollen and cotton cloths, 1.. ..
milted into the kingdom at a mere ,« ,
sple.nditl oiler had, however, been :claw:. "
opportunity of gaining so powertul .11: Al's+
new war was lost. An attempt was s::1-%t
tote
mad: to renew this negmiation,
sense that was entertanied of the
had been lost, bat in ya.n. The a tine of ali Italy, :.• -
lung pionmed visionary specufeian, he :idyl:
would best winnow the teterest. of this :
that being impossible, he thought it wab Lf"
!icy of Great Britain to suttee the alliance (fa .1r •
tny force in the South, as well as that of a (%"
menial State like Genoa. Upon ail tense t••
lie thought he Wits jofilfhtil in call ng tiro:• 17:.1
to inquire—first, as to whether Ow 1;00,4

country had not.b.en bt.,krii -and, mct.n.;,ri '",
ther there was any just cause Sur ur s'-ar
Napes ? HonouiaLL. Gentleman conclide.i
moving—
" That there should be laid 'more the biotite Ce,•its.
Negccatious which lead taken place bywean his M4:41... t..
vcronteot, the Court of Napleff, and the Ciwit of Au•er.J.
cou-se of last year, revealed tl.e acknowiellentent :`•
of Naples, prior to the corns:tomcat:n:la eat bosaties
tioveratuent a:te, At..stria."
Mr. TIERNEy szconded the motiln.
The queatiork having ben put tto ti the Ch):**
Lord CASTLE R EACH hoped the iirt `•°'
carry back its attenticn to th subject aIW I, .1141
appealed to the candour of the Honour ible Gisatiem
viv
(Nli. Homer) whe Itad taken it tor gr

it
he.
mider out out a priori facie case for inquiry, if not
ders'an,
if it did not become his (Lord Castle-
-1;
',-40,5) duty to enter into an exposition of the views
:his Majesty's Ministers with reference to the case
before them. Before the Governm,:in entered
their defence, i• was essential for there to be in
• „ion of the points of attack, anti he was the
77:indticed to press a calm investigation of this
ect, from a full conviction that he would be pre. .a 1.,), before the House the most intelligible
enable them to come to issue on the mat-
., with one or two objections, rather of an indivi.
ul ci!lracter, he could not but adm:t the able,
aid methodical manner in which the question
bus' liaroduced—(Hear, kar,)—and which ena-
.J t,, bring the circumstances fully before the
irtise. it WAS unnecessary for him to sapthat in en.
i„:0 If e relations between Murat and 'this
‘votild disclaim taking any distinction
.-a,:en premises which had been given, and the
n• which had been claimed, he would not de-
n j the ilkiViSetS of the Crown upon any such techni. '
o:ties, it the country had admitted the claim of the
,esent Government of Naples in the first instance,
.ec.f.l ,it cavilling upon the quantum of aid which
3t Ruler was to have afforded, they would have
beand to maintain his tight. The Noble Lord
•ri entered into the political engagedents which
,ll•een made with Murat. On his
llth of January,
• 1, A ire.ity had been entered into between Aus.,
:.1.1:1.! Naples, in which the laver agreed to place
the ~isrosAl of the Allies a force of
.50,000 men.
• mimication of this circumstance had been made
William Bentinck, who was thereby autho-
....i enter into a suspension of hostilities with that
;; previously, however, to Lord William's
re-
t:cis communication, he had consented to an
on the Sd of February, which is, in fact,
r and-work of the present enquiry. Here the
;: or.: :e341 his instructions •to Lord William

;.; ~c t., ti.tteJ Chatillon, 21st February, which ex.

;; an asietit to thexecognition of Murat on two
;:v. One, that he ( Murat) should effectually
;r:..lus pledge of a cordial and faithful co-operation
the Allies for their common purposes; and the
:,,T, that he should tender a suitable indemnity to
!:iag of Sicily. In this engagement there was
c nitrAventiOn of the alliance subsisting between
•,,,,,Lthitain and the King of Sicily, for although
it-rte to a certain extent bound to the latter, yet
connection did not amount to a :lingua am, re-
..,te LI the Sovereignty of 'Naples. Sicily had a
right to reckon, but not in anise. on the
:J,: Zagland. in obtaining for her the restoration
.:Nylcs—she had no obligation of good faith which
:lull be put in competition with the general adjust-
:tnt of the afFairs of Europe.. When in August,
i;iJ, Austria intimated her wish to enter into a sti.
oiation with Murat, the British Government,
rarigii Lord Aberdeen, consented to it, but not so
1,15 to securing to that offices the Neapolitan terri-
rr, but a certain equivalent for such services as he
...Id perform. On the t J of October, Murat re-
.!,e,l to listen to any terms short of his recognition
.:Napies. Here it was necessary to consider the
:iii.ortance of securing Austria at that moment, from
.e power of the Neapolitan troops iu the Sloth of
it.t:y, and, if possible, to embrace their active aid,
providing for Sicily a proper indemnity. I:fic
gc,lians, it Was true, protested against thefidmission
1 any indemnity, and upon that point no blame
:said attach to Murat. The only material juin then,
consider was, the quota of active co-operation
ir!iich he tendered iu pursuance of the Austrian
treaty. To slkw its keel iuetlicieocy, the Noble
Lord read extracts from Lord William Bratinek's
Jispotches, roundiy asserted the insincerity of
Naples. On tine 25th of March, Lord Btntinck and"
Marshal Deliegarde discussed the merits of co-opera.
lion, and agniel that so far from thiowing his weight
into the scale, his occupation of certain positions in
Italy, savoured more of a perinanent than a temporary
c::a:acter ; sad, finally, that no person south of the Po
pi any reliance upon his sincerity, as all concurred
L. the 0,;:,tioo, that he was watching circumstances, and
ate,ii.t in ti :.t end to throw his weight into thestrongest
Tot.se ;pinions could not have eritaititted from
I"4d-cluorters, for at that timmi o distrust was there
,sse.i of his character. In the letter which he
(Lord Casth!reagn) transtUmed to Lord W. Ben-,
Li.cl Lunt Dijon, on the Sd of April, he endeavoured
1(' at life d..wn the idea of Murat's insincerity, be-
ne telt it his duty to appear to treat with more
outikleuce thin they really felt, the individual whose
acw-tance toey sought lo obtains and that an excess
of confilenke rather than excess of jealousy should be
r•;,..,:rvett fin such an occasion. Oa the 31st March,
E.: Ashes entered Paris, which city he himself en-
tred early in April. It was at this time that the
liter of Lord W. Bentinck received from an authen-
t. source (although he could not disclose it) a con°.
irali.'n Amounting to a moral conviction, and left
nt doJbt that Murat Lid not fulfilled his engage-
mars. This information was of course sent to the
Government at home—and he (Lord Castlereagh)
also made a communication of his dissat slation to
Priace Cognate, as well as to the Duke of Campo-
chiaro at V 'stria ; at the same time intimating, that
qoestion was still open for the consideration of
Here die Noble Lord quoted his own
d;Tatel, td the 25th of January, enclosing a note from
the Dtike of 'Campochiaro, and explicitly stating,
t" at notwitlistat:ding the conduct of Murat, the point
AS still in reservation for a future moment. The
Ltt was, the case ot Naples was a most embarrassing
t two representatives from the Kiug of Sicily
Were then at Congress, and ii nothing had occurred
shake Murat's sincerity, there could be no doubt
It • Itotild have been entitled to the benefit of his sti-'
Gelation ; but in cider to effect what could be done
!; 11. s subject, wit::oot giving offence to France and
'Vain, who wore so nearly allied to Sicily, or with-
';'t casting of Murat, whoa aid was still important,
had been d-termined by Congress that the atfairs
14 Naples should remain over for their last act, and
pursuant to this decision, nothing further was done
19 to tie uoment when Murat commenced unprovo-
thed ;Tgression. In consequence of being pressed by
'ralteyrand to come to an explanation of the
nature of Murat's claims, he felt it his duly to solicit
Ifni that personage a statement of his .views, which
vas accordingly given. Soon after the Duke of COM..
tlit.tro sent in a detailed justificatory memorati-
::.m embracing the whole conduct of Murat, from
e battle of Leipsic downwards. did not shake
t'4 teuviction which be bad already fogad relative

to the conduct of the Ruler of Naples • hut he
thouget it right, notwithstanding, to refer this docu-
ment for the opinion of one of the ablest and best in-
funned °dicers, who was acquainted, from his situa-1
eon in the Austrian service, with the whole transac- i
tiro—he meant General Nugent, who tevietved the!
paper step by step, ani paragraph by paragraph—re- '
futed, by a reasoned detail, both the facts which that
paper contained, and the inferences which had barn
deduced from them—and further %hewed that. Mu.
rat, by a skilful effort, bad: in truth, deleate4.l the ob-
ject of the campaign. He (Lord Castlereagh) did
not even rest there, but called for an official report
from Lbrd W. Bentinck, which was inntliediateiy given,
and was decisive on the point of (quiet's duplicity,
and that his object was to play such a game as wouli,
under any event, secure to him the states of Italy,
south of the Po. When Prince Talleyrand argued
the question, he did not confine himself to the mere
terms of tbe Treaty, but he adduced irrefragahle evi-
dence to shew, that on the very eve of his Treaty
with Austria, Murat had been negotiating with 80..
naparte k r his Italian territory, and_ that the latter,
who had not then so humble an opinion of his for-
tunes as he afterwards possessed, ridiculed the de-
mand, and asked bow he, Murat, could think ot effec-
ting that in the Papal territory, which he
,himielt had
tailed to accomplish I So late as February, the
Queen of Naples was in correspondence with Bone.
parte —it could not be supposed without the concur.
rence of her husband ; and he (Lord Castlereagh)
had had convincing proof at Paris. that Murat would
never have signed the Treaty with Austria, if Bona-
parte had sooner acceded to his views. As to the rea.
sons why he had not joined the Viceroy, these were
evidvnt —the two characters were, in point of interest,
in dircet variance. Here the Noble Lord warmly de-
precated the mode in which Ministers were put upon
their trial, from partial and unautheaticated docu-
ment ; and put the case, whether he would be justi-
fied, from motives of pusillanimity, in advising the
Crown to do an set of ratification towards a party,
of whose insincerity he had moral proof ? For the
purpose of securing every means of information
Alija lay within his reach upon this subject, he en-
treated Prince Talleyrand to cause a search in the
bureau at Paris, for any documents which might have
passed between Bonaparte and Naples. It appeared
that a very extensive correspondence had taken place.
certified copieSof which he had officially received.—
He should now read to the House many extracts of
the correspondence which had been found, that pass-
ed at that time between the Princess Borghese, Ba.
naparte, and the King and Queen of Na-tles. He
should also read extracts to prove the opinion of the
French constituted Authorities on his conduct. From
the first letter, which was from the Princess Burghese
to Bonaparte, dated Lucca. February lath, he read
the following extract :—.6 The King of Naples is in
a state of great agitation. He is asuinisheu that the
Viceroy should have retired from the banks of the
Adige, and hopes that he has not forgotten the buie-
hts he had received from your Majesty." The 2J
letter which he should read, was from Bonap ale to
the yucca of Naples, and was dated Naiii..is, the 1701
of kebruary. 4'7' the time this 1. tier w IS written,
Bonaparte did. not despair of his fortune, and treated
Murat in the stile of a master. This letter
contained
the following expression s:—" Your lite.l.and is a
brave man in the field, but more cowardly than a
woman or a Monk when he has been a mouth is om i
it. He has no moral courage. He should know that
what he has he rein only hold by me, and wi,., nw.
When he quitted the army without orders, and ever
-slam he has been doing me as much mischief as be
could. I may,towever, yet pardon him. Rccal him
to a sense of his duty, and let him watch for a la-,
"Towable moment to shew me that 1w is not as un-
grateful as he has been pusillanimous." He should
next re-ad an extract from a letter from Fouche to
Bonaparte, dated Lucia, February 18th. Tiiis letter
stated, a that the King was sick with grief: that he
felt thoroughly the circumstances in which lie was
placed, and that the English and Austrians reproach-
ed him with too much attachment to his Imperial
Majesty." He then read an extract of a letter from
Eugene Beauliarnois to Bonaparte, dated the 2ith of
February. This letter expressed .4 that the Viceroy
had the strongest hopes that the King of Naples
would not add to the wrongs lie had been guilty of
towards his Majesty, by tiring at his troops."
He next read an extract of a letter from the French
Consul at Ancona, which had no date, but was
certainly written about the same time. That letter
stated the substance of the conversation betvieeu
him and Murat. 66 The King of Naples told him
that necessity alone compelled him to join the Allies.
The maritime strength' of England was always
threatening his states with invasion, and his people
were discontented at the stagnation of trade. He
said that it was agreed that his army was never to
tight against Frenchmen." The next letter which
be had to read was a very curious document: it was
a letter from Bonaparte to Murat, giving him au ac-
coutit of ltis successes over the Austrians on the 10th,
I lth, and 12th, and threatening him with the effects
of his displeasure if lie did not change his cooduct.
He, however, addressed him with some degree of
courtesy, in still giving him the title of a King. This
curious instrument began in this manner—" Sire, my
brother, your conduct has been diametrically opposite
to your duty. That, however, belongs to the weak-
ness of your character. You are a good soldier in
the field of battle, but elsewhere your conduct has
been most pusillanimous. I still rely upon your con-
trition, to repair the faults you have been guilty of.
If it should win out otherwise, you may repent it.
I hope you are not one of those who think the lion is
dead, and—'.' (Lord Castlereagh said he did not
know how to read the next phrase in English, but be
would give it to them in the original—e. et que Pou
pent pisser sur lui."—(Loud laughter.)—l defeated
the Austrians yesterday. Another victory will re.
store my affairs. You have done me all the harm
you could, ever since you left the army at Wilna.
The title of King has turned your head. What you
have written to me is at variance with your actions.
I shall see by your conduct at Ancona whether your
heart is truly French. Recollect that the kingdom,
which you possess is only your's for the benefit al
those who gave it to you. I made you a King only
for the benefit of my system." Ile thought that
those documents pretty plainly skewed the light in
which his conduct was considered by the French. His
object was to get possession of the whole of Italy south
of the I'o, This object he solicited from Bonaparte,

who then considered it a most absurd claim, and
treated him with the utmost contempt. It was not
until he was convinced tha. he bad no hopes of ob-
i
taining his object from Bonaparte that he closed with
the Allies, with whom he had been previously nego.
ciating for many manths. He afterwards shewed
throughout, that his only object ins to secure what
he laid chins to, and that he was not disposed to 1
co-
operate seriously with the Allies. By the interference
of his troops at Reggio, a considerable body of French I
troops were suffered to escape that: would otherwise
have been prisoners. After he had so completely
violated his engagements with the Allies, they were
all of ophrion that he had ao claims to their intetfe-
rence for his protection. France and Spain strongly
pressed at the Congress the displaciag him from the
throne of Naples. He would, however, state most
confidently, that if Murat had acted fairly in the corn-
mon close. his claim to the kingdom of Naples would
have been supported not only by this country, but by
AgStri49 ROSSI 3, and Prussia. These would then
never have been a question about whether there hid
been a regular treaty entered ion.) with him or not.
If he had acted like a man of honour and spirit, his
claim would have been as lolly suppot ted, as if it had
been formally covenanted by a treaty. The rin-
cipal Allied Powell, however, knowing that he had
torfeted all claim, found it a greater difficulty
to resist die pressing solicitations of France and Spain.
It was, however, reserved for the Congress to deter-
mine on the grounds of policy ttal the general inte-
rests of Europe, and no deterininati.in had been made,
nor had the subject been taken into the consideration
of the Congress, at the time that he resolved upon
war. The Noble Lord then oixscrvett, that about the
time that Bonaparte left Elba, there was a very re-
makable and important alteration took place in the
ptTricy of the Government of Naples.. Murat took
occasion then to complain of the notch Government,
and demanded a free passage for 80,000 men through
that part of the country in It ly wai - • •1 1- tti. the
Austrian dominion, for the purpose of marching diem
into France. His previous conduct had for some
time strewn that he was in possesdon of what had
taken place at Elba, and that added to his de:nand of
marching his troops through the Marches of Ancona,
gave a considerable alarm to the Austrian Govern-
ment. They, however, gave a peremptory refusal to,
and declared they would oppose the march of such
an army, as they would equally refuse the march of
a French army through their territory to attack
Naples. When Murat was informed dirt Bonaparte
had arrived in Paris, he (Murat) placed his troops
in such a situation, as to enable him to give assis-
tance to his former master, and immediately fixed
hir head quarters it Ancona, and resumed his title
of Joachim Napoleon, which he had voluntarily dropped
Irons the time that Bonaparte abdic tied his Throne.
—On the 31st of March, without making any com-
munication to the Austrian Government, he put his
whole army in motion from Ancona, in an offensive
manner against the Austrian Government, and en-
deavoured by his Proclamations to excite :he people
of Italy to join against the Alließ. In his Addresses
to the Italians he spoke in the most favourable terms
of the English, in order to draw thO luau the belief
that this Nation V4.'4S favourable to his views. It v..as
of course preposterous to suppose the Allies were
bound to keep any terms with hum after he had openly
attacked the Austrians. He had no objection to pro-
.duce the Papers moved f ; and if they did not sa•
tasty the Honourable Members who wished to have
them, they would have it in their power to toting
tOrward any question respecting them which they
might think proper. He was desirous to do this, in
order to clear himself from the charges which had
been so numerously, uncandidly, and, in his opinion,
unfairly made against him ; and the aspersions of
which he wished to make evident, not only to the,
Government, but to the whole Country. 'fire infor-
mation of the Honourable Gentleman who made those
charges appeared to have been. drawn from the secret
1 official sources of other countries, which were not the
A most creditable • and he hoped it would prove a salu-
tary lesson to the Honourable Members on that side,
, of the House, which would make them in future
more cautious of bringing forward accusations to ca.
lumniate the Government on authority so weak and
inefficient, and abstain from bringing forward their
attacks on Ministers till they could fairly try the
question.—(liear, hear).

Mr. WHITBREAD said, as this was not the
night for entering at large into the papers, which the
Noble Lord had promised should be produced, he
would not trouble the House further thin to observe
that those Honourable Members who had so Icitidly
cheered the Noble Lord, and who thought that he )
contained in himself the whole government of this
country, might find themselves satisfied by the long
and able speech of the Noble Lord, but he could by
no means do so. The Noble Lord had opened a
scene of diplomatic treachery and baseness, which he,
for one, could wish had no existence but in imagina-
tion. The Noble Lord had read a great many letters
which, however obtained by the Noble Lord, and
how strongly soever they might weigh with some,
had not by any means convinced him that the Noble
Lord's conduct was not still open to every thing that
had been said of it. When the papers were laid upon
the table, he should have en opportunity of delivering
his opinion more fully.
Lord CASTLEREAGH explained.
Mt. PONSONBY said, the Noble Lord flattered
himself in supposing that what bad fallen from him
that night would prove a salutary lesson to himself
and his Honourable Friends who acted with him ;
for he believed that nothing the Noble Lord had
said, or could say, would be deemed by any of them
either instruction or authority. He thought it a base
insinuation of the Noble Lord to endeavour to incul-
cate an idea that he and his Honourable Ftiends de-
rived their intelligence from the secret agents of
foreign Governments.
Lord CASTLEREAGH, in explanation, said,
the Right Hen. Gentleman bad .misunderstood his
argument. He begged, however, to know, what he
meant by the expression of 4.1„ base insinuation."
Mr. PONSONBY said, he thought the Noble
Lord had used language which he ought not to have
done, when he attributed to him and his friends the
deriving information from the secret sources of foreign
Goverutnen i s.
Lord CASTLEREAGH adverted to a letter
which an Hon. Gentleman had received from Genoa.
Mr. WHITBREAD—J, I am extremely happy
to love an opportunity of stairg publicly to the

House, the circumstance to which the noble Load
alludes, to 'hew bow ridiculous is the Charge mil
preferred against us. Several documents had appe teed
in the public prints, not sent there` by me, bat on
which I propos..l many questions in this House. I
certainly, some short time since, received a lott-ri,
purporting to come from Genoa, which I never an.
swered ; and I remember having mentioned tiv
cumstance to the Noble Lord some Rights ago i i the
lobby. But at the same time I will never refuse to
receive any infirmation, while I exercise my own dis-
cretion whether I shall use it or not."
Mr. PONgONBY—., I declare upon my word of
honour, that I have never received any 401311,
tioits, such as the Noble Lord alludes to, from the
al;ettti of foreign powers."
Lord CASTLEREAGH repeated his request of
an explanation.
Mr. TIERNEY......" This question is elsily settled,
.if the Noble Lord declares, that he never intended
to impute to the Gentlemen of this side, conduct in.
consistent with their duty to the c.iuntry, my Right
Hon. Friend can have no objection to disclaim any
desire of personal offence."
Lord C STLE REACH conceived communica-
ti,ms with Foreign 11(.v.ers, and any indirect sources
of inform:id:A, to be unconstitutional.
Mr. IVIIITBREAIIig Does the Noble Lord
mean to attach any harsh interpretation to that word
• unconstitutional e does lie mean to imply anything
of a tit:no:table correspo.d..oce ? It so, let him
e!i ir 'e us openly with such conduct."

The 6I'E.AKF.It.--,, I am persu Lied the ll,,use
will not permit the discussion to take such a direc-
tion. I ant cr.:.fi lent the Right Hon. Member will
disclaim any interrion of using this word personally;
he owes much an explanation to the House."
Mr. PONSONBV.--,, There is no place where I
should be so cautious in abstaining from all expres-
sion that could he deemed improper, as in this House.
Bat I c ncriv; that I am not the first to be called on
1., an ex?i taation. It 'vas no: 1 w:to charged any
Nlembe. ~"•ith a delinquency almost treasonable."
Lord CASTLEREAGH.—N When infirmation
is received by any Member indirectly, I feel myselt
justiti.t.l in alluding to it. The Right Hon. Member
should 1•e :he last person to deviate from Parliamen-
tary_Usages.7

Mr. ko ItNER--" I bore I may be permitted to
say a few words, as it w.:s from it warm defence of
me, (tering my absence. that my Right Hun. Friend
was in.luced to use the expression. The charge was
C:!: ta.;nl y A very severe one. and if the Auble Lord
would disclaim any intention of implying an unjust:.
c,,tiduct on this side of the House, my Right
H )s. Friend can h 11fe no difficulty in lamenting the
lox of that vvmd."

L rd CASTLEREAGH—" I did not mean to
insiiiiiate that tl►: triode of intelligence was in anywise
treaso.u...ble, but that.it WAS not such as Parliament
could act upon."
Mr. TIE,ItNEY conceived that the explanation
removed ail difficulty.
Mr. PONSONBY-4, The charge was a very se..
yore (me ; I felt it warmly, and in the heat of my
feelings did use an expr fLsion not warranted by the
triage of Parliament. lam scary for it."
Mr. WELLESLEY POLE thought that the
Gentlemen opposite had profited by the lesson which
they had received. Tbeir tone wa, greatly changed,
and they could no longer sing out their usual charge
against his Majesty's Ministers that through their
fault a valuable ally had bee's lost. He praised the
fairness with which the question had been brought
forward, and thought it had peen proved that it was
impossible to follow any other line of conduct than
that adopted by Mi:.isters.
Mr. PRO fiIEROE haviug remarked that the
Honourable Member for Bedford had cast his eye,
rather in a sneering manner towards him, on hearing
some Gentlemen on his part of the House cheer the
Noble Lord, he should take this opportunity of ex-
pressing aloud the satisfactory impression which that
Noble Lord's defence had made upon him.
Mr. HORNER, in reply, contended, that he had
a right to seek to ()Irwin information in a constitu-
tional manner. The Noble Lord's speech had not
altered the impression on his mind : though he ap.
proved of his having reduced the question to one of
good faith. He had directed the attention of the
House to the reports of Military Commanders who
had described Murat's conduct, but unless they made
out it had been such in the campaign as could not be
fairly attributed to the impetfection of all human
efforts, they had not proved what was necessary to
support their case. Tile Noble Lord had chiefly relied
on a collection of letters, which were certainly cirri.
ous, as they unfolded the private character and dis-
positions of men of whom one had heard so much;
but they did not touch the question. They were
all prior to the 4th of March, when the ratification
of the Treaty had been signed on the part of Austria,
and a month before we hid acceded to that Treaty.
His conduct before he had entered into any final en-
gagement with the Allies, could be no ground of
complaint, and the letters only applied to that period.
It was only subsequently to the engagement that he
could be guilty of a breach of faith. He also thought
bat the manner in which some of the letters had been
obtained, should be explained. There was a letter
from Bonaparte to Murat, written at Nangis, and
strange to say, afterwards foUnd at Paris by Prince
Talieyrand. On this, however, he should not expa-
tiate. If his Majesty's Government could prove a
breach of faith on Mural's
oala l
i eifgairgi
mtheenntsit
withwas clear
h
theythat
this, he contended, had not been done.
The question was then put and carried.
The Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and
the House adjourned at Twelve o'clock.

It seems a mystery to many where BIM gets the
immense number of Guineas that he displays in his
%xindi.tws at Cc;rnhill and Charing-Cross; some per-
sons think he has a vcret order trom the Treasury on
the Bank for what Gold he wants, but we cannot be-
lieve the Treasury would act thus partially to serve
an itidtvidnal, whogewnly cL.im is having devised
two of the best Schemes ever produced in Lottery
annals; the last, where he sold all the Three Ptizts
of £30,000, had 15,000 Ti:kets, drawn in three
days; but the present Lottery, which has another
ASO,OOO Prise, 3,Otk) more Guineas, to be paid on
demand, with the itsaal now b r of 'other Capitals,
yet only 5,000 tickets, and all them must'be
drawn in one day, Saturdity, the 13th instant.

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