Star.
London, England, 1812-03-07 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The London Ntw Prison Bill was read a second time and
committed.

Mr. IiOLME SUMNER moved, that a Select Comn.ittes be
appointed to enquire into the application of the Orphans Fund.
Alter a few words from Sir Charles Price, it was agreed to.
A Message from the Lords informed the House, that their
Lordships had agreed to !lie Nottingham Frame Work Bill, aid
had consented to the attendance of the Earl of Liverpool upon
the Committee for American Claims, if his Lordship Was so

Mr. DILLON moved, that there be laid before the Holum, a
List of the Number of Monello had been sentenced to serve
.Ibroa4 fur Lite, for the three last years, distinguishing each year,
and the crime of which the party had been convicted, and whe-
ther such transportation had taken place in consequence of the
award of a Court Martial, or had been compounded for ail
other punishment. After a-few words from Lord Palmerstone
and Mr. Manners Sutton, the Motion wn, azrerd to.
The Report on the Expiring Law 'tobacco and Timber Bills
was agreed to, and tke Bills ordered to be read a third time on
Monday.
The it etre fArttery Awseimlniewe DM, e'er some Ai-
servaVons from Mr. Wharton as to the obj.mt of the hill to di-
vide the Lottery into proportionate quantities, was agreed to,
aad the Bill ordered to be read a third rime on Monday.
The Baik Bill was read a third time and passed.
Mr. PARNELL. gave notice, that on Tuursday, the 30th of
April, he should move for leave to bring hi a Dal for the Com-
mutation of Tithes in Ireland.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated thar as a
Right Hon. Gentleman had given notice of a Mot iou far Vie
of April, respecting his Majesty's Catholic Suhj icts in Ireland,
he >hould on the 12th of April move that there should b.: a Call
of the House.

Mr. BANKES gave notece, that on Tuese!ay next be should
move for leave to bring in.alt to present the Grant of °Airco
in Reversion for a I.mited time.

The House went into a Committee on the high Sugar Draw.
back Billtsehen Mr. W. POLE moved a Resolution, that the
drawback be continued. The Resolution was agreed to, the Rt.
port was rece,vel, and a Bill 43retAbly to the Rt,olutiou ordered
to be brought in.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved for leave
to bring in a Bill, to indemnify cer:ain Members who had been
sworn before the Deputies of the Lord S:eward after the Lord
Steward had resigned, and to render the oaths so taken valid.
The Right Hon. CentleMan observed, that u in this case the
Deputies had been ignorant of the resignation of the Lord
btew.rd, and had acted merely front error, writ an intention
perfectly innocent, it would be extremely hard nut to grata them

Mr. SPENCER STANtIOPE had no objection to the Bill
being brought in.
Mr. W. WYNNE thought that such an error might be pre-
vented in future, either by continuing in the Deputies up pow. ,
of the Lord Steward, till a new one should be app,noted, or,
what would be the best way, 'to take away the oaths al ogether,'
as the making oaths too common had a necessary tendency to
weaken their effect.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought the first
of the two ways mentionel by the Houourable Gentleman was
the more eligible.

• The Bill was brought in, read a first and second time, com-
mitteed, the Report received, and the Bill read a third time and
passd.
Mr. W. WYNNE gave notice, that on Tuesday next he should
move for leave to bring in a-Bill to take away the oaths admi-
nistered by the Lord Steward to his Deputies.
The Penitentiary House Bill was read a second time, and com-
mitted for Wednesday.
After some observations on the part of Mr. WHIEIIRTAD, Sir
J. NEWPORT, and the CHANCELLOR of the Excnrousa, it was
understood, that such of the Estimates as were net likely to meet
with opposition, should come OA after the Mutiny and the
others be postponed.
WAYS AND &LEANS.
The House resolved itself into a Committee of Ways ars!
Means.

1 On the motion of the Cadtstcatxott of the Exeurovart,it was
resolved, that, in addition to the sum of £5,431,700, subscribed
in Exchequer Bills to be funded in February 'AA, the aim of
1 £6,789,625 be raised by Navy 5 per Cent. Annuities. '1 he Right
Honourable Gentlenun stated that every subscriber *o the sum
I already funded would be entitled to contribute a farther sum, at
the rate of £125 for every £ioo contributed ; that ,Cir:B in Five
per cent Stock was to be added to the Stock crusted by the sub-
seription, and that it was to bear interest horn the sth otlanu-
ary, 1819. The bonus on the subscription was 19s. 2d. but lie
hoped that it would be larger. The chief advantage that would
guise from this proposition was an extension of the time of pay-
ment, hon. the 18th of March to the slat of December, 1812.
The House then resumed, and the Report was ordered to lee
;teeived no Monday.
MUTINY SILL.
10120 in Committee,
Mr. WHITBRgAp stated to the Committee that
it Wad been a practice for many years to establish
1 schools in regiments, in order to qualify the soldiers
to become non-commissioned officers. This right co
-the Commanding Officer had never been questioned
except in his own case. When die question had been
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tried, the Learned Judge had said, that as the order
lobliging soldiers to go to school waes illegal, Tut ft•k-

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nishment could atom I its being disobeyed. His ad.
jutant 11:..1 been cast in damages for enfore;ng the re.
den he had Trimmed, and an action brott4ht egoism
himself was to hare been nied that day, but ELI beet
I postponed. The Ltalued Judge (Sir James Maas.
field) who tried the cause, hal said, that the eed.:l
was main!, to the advantage of the roller. ht:t be wag
not apprized of any law that compelled Inn. to 417.
. The soldier might say the order was illegal. am
every soldier was justified in di s',heying an illegal mi.
mated. The Commanding Officer was hoe gated
in a very extraordinary utuation. An order had
been issnsd by the Commander in Chief, which, if
be disobeyed, he might be brought to a Court lb
tial—if he obeyed, he m"glit be sued in a Coaetui
Law. He trusted, in passing the Bill now Lesiaetht
Comm ttee, some provision imuld be made for do
protect', n of officers so circumstanced.
Lord PA LME ItSTONE thought the
tion involved some very important caital=4.lt
was certainly true, that schools had bees it,etieats4
hut it was optional with the s ;Idler to take ad
of them or not. It nas doubtful how far taus.=
to be rnnlo compulsory. lie thnue,!,t the best way
was to leave it optional, it being understood, dtat
less the soldier s chose to embrace the advantage of,
fered them, they hid no chance of being made Ea,
commi officers.

Mr. FRAN K LAND was against a compulsory
attendance, which he thought could not be productive
of good. H.., should not ire justified in ordering u 4.
diets to aviit in getting in the harvest, even in a cam
of great exigency. The boys who went to schou(
were su.,,pc...ed to do se under the control of their
thers, but with respect to adult soldiers, be bad great
doubts if they could be compelled.
Mr. NV ITBREA D observed, that every Ulna,
he had consulted, had stated the pract►ce as strictly
legal, and s had all officers. The Noble Lord me
only did not think it legal, but that it should nettle
made so. 't he control of fathers was of a very limited
extei t, and soldiers must 6cca'sinnally be callei-upon
perform duties rot strictly military. This was eithie
a military command, or it was not. Let it be settled
one way Or the other. At present officers would say,
they svo.ild as soon punish a man fur a neglect °Lit •
of Any other.
Mr. hi A NNE RS SUTTON was of opinion, dot
if this were a military order, any disobedience of is
would come within the Mutiny Act, if jeaued frost
the Hor)e•Gnards. He saw no neeessity for main/
any particular provision in the Mutiny Act.
Colonel DILLON said, that if soldiers did any
duty nut strictly niilitary, they were paid for it In
the present case, it would trench upon justice, to
compel a man to do what he had not e►liisted for.
Tlais would materially injure the recruiting service,
as many chose to eater into the army to avoid Wm
tart
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUU
stated, that it was not the intention of the Dal
York to make attendance compulsory. Manyeaholk
had been established by Officers in their own geol.
ments, and, with a view to encourage these, and M
extend the benefit to other regiments, an aid had bets.
granted.

General TARLETON said, the Hemourabierstes
tleman (Mr. Dillon) had termed the army a sill
Lary profession. (A laugh.) He thought the prac.
t;ce of establishing schools an excellent oil; and that
every difficulty that stood in the way of ksbnagear-
ried into executitm should be removed.
Mr. WHITBREAD did not pretend to be a juke
whe:her this was proper or improper. The mao who
had brought the action against him had told others
to dis bey his orders, though he lied not disobeyed
them hims:lf. He wished to know whether, in loch
a case, it was corspetent or not fur him to did
punishment I
Mr. DILLON and General TARLETON es.
pained.
Sir G. WA RRENDER thought that this subject
bad best be It ft to the discretion of the officers als•
manding regiments.
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FLOGGING.
Mr. BROUGHAM entered his protest
flogging of soldiers, for which he should not
another opportunity. This was a subject nit
of great importance to the army, but also to the
vial system of the country. Nothing, he
was more.repugnant to every principle upon
punishment could be inflicted than this practice. By
this a soldier has never been reformed, and Sir
Wilson, General Money, and several other
guished Offic .rs, had given a decided opinion
it, that it was bad in itself, and could only
debase the character of the soldier; nor wen _

young officers, but of great experience; as to Mg,
ple, it was wholly ineffectual. What was the
that in other crimes the law never went beyond*
tain punishment ? The horrible crimes lately 's"'
traced in Gravel-'.ane differed most widely from Nit
sag 40s. but by the law the punishment weskit
Is torture were inflicted as a punishment, the
of the spectators were turned in favour of the slaw
aaill an ourage brought upon humanity. floggiet
was the cruelest of all cruel tortures, and all the ere
ments against the infliction of torture appliedns*
equal force to this. He gave the Noble Lorded:
for the Amendment he had made, but wished a
be extended. There was no clause fur limiting"'
power of the Crown, as to enlisting foreign solens"
The Act of Settlement had stated, that the CPO
should have no power to grant a place eren to• 0
turalized foreigner. •It was true chat it had bent*
lazed by two Acts, one of the 44th, and the e&
of the 4tith of the King. But such * power s_i".
now exerted, was never meant to be prot teessrj
those Acts. The number of foreigners to be
w.s stated in one Act at ten thousand, and it LP
other at sixteen thousand men; but nerermegtir
foreigners should be enlisted in all regiments. 6,g;
cording to the power as now exercised, a whialat
ment might be changed. His Royal
giment (the 10th) was now in a course
Lanized, foreigners were induced to enter by •
There was a feeinig very prevalent
country against mixing English regiments
r.ngn troops. In the 49th regiment, an
lad been inflicted for a long period of Oink •
commanding officer had MUCCI, that his Alg
IP a
•4?(.lrile to him broken-hearted, in consegoe!le.e,,
'lAutribcr of convicts from the hulks haying bin
'in among them.- He had told those contietle
shall be treated like the odiers.=—bot loot:
conduct, for many eyes will be urn
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