Star.
London, England, 1807-08-14 00:00:00

F REIGN RELATIONS.

The Ch der of the Day having been read for mum-
mooing their Lordthio.,
The Earl of S fANHOPE obferved, that, not-
vi htlanuing the difcouraging appearance of the
H fife, he would bring forward the nantiln of which
he had given notice. He c .uld nor avoid c onmend-
jog the prudence of Minillcrs in abfegting them-
selves from the difctrißon, though he could not help
tonlidering it as rather difrefpeetrul. The points to
which he had to folicit their Lordthips' attention
were hut few. If any one withed for a diminution
of our commerce. for the ruin of our manufaCtures,
for the incretfe of taxes. and the increafe cf penflons,
it was natural that fuch a perfon thould with for a
continuance of war. Thole- who were anxiins for
the rettoration of peace, would of courfe hive views
of another kind. The principal objeit of his motion
was, to regulate our c indite! towards foreign nations.
This was a fubjed upon which too much circom-
fpcition could not be employed, and he trolled Mi•
nillerf, in their conduCt towards foreign powers,
would continually keep the great land marks in the
codes of the laws of nations before their eyes. His
Lordfhip concluded with moving, " that the princi-
plea of jutlice and reciprocity ought to be the inva-
' riable rule of the Government of this country, in
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their condat towards neutral and independent States
at peace with us."
Thr: LORD CHANCELLOR difapproved of the
motlon, as unnec!ffary and uncalled for, and felt it
therefore his duty to move the previous quellion.
Lord STANHOPE obferved, that not a !Ingle
word had been advanced by the Noble and Learned
Lord againft the principle of the motion.
Lord-MORTON obferved that the Motion did not
apply to any particular cafe. It was merely an ah-
ftratt propotition, and the Houfe was not in the
practice of coming to a decifion upon qoeflions of
that nature.
The previous quenion was put and carried, Lord
Stanhope being the only non-content.
Several amended Bills were returned from the
Commons, to which they had given their concur-
rence, and their Lordfhips adjourned till to-morrow.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
General tARLETON prefented a Petition"fmm the Prnprie
borzoi certain Salt Works at Liverpool. &plat the lrifh Salt Bill,
lately pending. but *bleb had received this day the Royal Affent.
After fome converfation between General TARLETON and
Mr. SHERIDAN, the Petition was ordered to lie on the Table.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER reported to the
Houle his Majetty's molt gheious anfwer to the Addrefs of the
Houle refpedling the granting of places in reverfion, that his Ma-
jefty would pay fuels attention thereto, as the nature of the cafe
required. Alfo his Majefty's graelaus anfwer to the other Ad-
dreffes of the Houfe refpeeting the grants of fellional allowaneXe
to the Officers and Servants of the Haute, that his Majefty would
give the neeeffary diredtions refpesting the fame.
The Houle then proceeded to take funeffively into confiden-
t tion the feveral amendments made by the Lords on Bilis fent up
by the Houk. and now returned, and the keen! amendments
were agreed to, or frbfequentty fettled by conference with the
I Lords.
General LOFTUS moved for a Copy of the An(wer tent by
Meffrs. Greenwood and Co. to the Letter from the Paymafter's
Office.together with a Copy of the Account prefented with the
faidMLL LetterO.NO laid it was impoffible to lay before the Houle any
full and fatisfaetory account upon the fubje4, until the whole
of the Army Agents' annum, were balanced. He was ready to
admit that a large balance was due to Meffrs. Cox and Green-
wood, but he was not yet prepared to admit that their own (tate-
mot was sight. The accounts in the Pay Cllnce were greatly
in arrears. and tintll they were gone through, it was impoffible to
afeertain the real Rate of all the balances arid arrears. But he
hoped, in the nex_t Seaton of Parliament, to bring forward a
meafure for accelerating a purpofe fo defirabl.e.
General LOFTLTS's motion was agreed to.
A potion from the Tranfport Office prefenled,purfnant to order,

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a return of the Tranfpotts entrloyed for home ferrite an tie asth
of March, Obis and tßc7 rcfpedively, dittingnifbing thole for
cavalry, and thole that were eo;wer theathed.--Ord• red to lie oa
the table.
The CHANCELLOR of the rxr— FQ.U7R after few pre•
liminary .bfervations, moved an ilumble Addrefs t.. his Nfajetty,
praying that he would begraeloully pleated to order isfu•ii ors
to be even to-lfaae ou it is. hfq act Anterican Loy lift, in .;011-
(Iteration of the Loffes (Whined ny him .us the Service. of .ho
Cou.itry. chitin the American war--and that this Hoofs make
good the fame.
Mr. WHITBREAD not only agreed lathe fpirft Of tke motion,
but thought the film ought to have been maga to coeformity
to the Report of the Committee appointed comrade the shim of
Mr. Du Bois.
A oonverfation of confiderabieleogthimiked, in which Didier
Lawrence and Mr Windham fupported the idea of Mr Whitbread.
and Mr. Raft. Mr. Sturgis Bourse, and Mr. it ANN°, rupport•
cd that of the Camerae of the Exelsequer.
The motion, however, was agreed to as was a rubfeqtent
don for *Bodin gusto of iced to Gators! lvtarthi, for tate taw
fuftained by hint la the Movicen war.
mire or 111111411).
Mr. SHERIDAN role east (poke to. the
in due :-.../a Ti is with-41m regret that I 114114
day that matters of Mirage confidetatlos have altsfadt
occupied innch of your time and that now, woes
Monday lag, i am obliged to addrefa you wheal
your attention has been fomewhat ethaufled-•-butt
although I have now come to the lati day of the
S (lion, and almoft to the fall hoar, and know bsw
anxioufly Gentlemen with to feparate for the prefent
feafon, yet I feel myfelf impelled, by a flrong fenfe
of duty, now to bring forward that motion, of which
have already given notice. It is not my fault that
I am fn late in bringing forward this important fob-
jeft ; I was ready on M nday lag, but the day was
taken up in othe: buflnefs. The prop ,fi• ton wl.ich
then meant to fubmit to the Houfe, was in confer
quence of two Bills which have been, a very fhort
time firce, brought into Parliament, and one of
which has only this day paired into a law. I then
thought, and do Hill think, that if the. Refolutient
tvhish I have Ate honour 1., propofe to you, thoold
be agreed to by the Houle, and go over to Ireland,
at the fame time with thofe Bills, it would have a
great effea in preventing that irritation which the
Rills night otherwife produce, in mitigating thofe
feelings which mull, in tome meafure, be excited:
As to thole Bills which were intended to have beeti
brought in by the late Adminiltraucnt, I (hall fay
nothing uf them. I hope now to gain almolt the
unanimous fence of the Houfe to the propofi i in that
I mean to fubmit to them, and I (hall not, therefore,
A
sp to draw comp .rifons between the Miniftets who
were to have introduCed tilde Bills, with the Mini-
(lets who have iroroduced the prelate, Bills. I (ball
it'A take Onto conflict atien the great difference Oat it
makes when we are giving great powers, to confider
in o whole hands this power is. to be c .mmitted.
Ifhall not confider whether or not this power would
no, have been lefs f irmidable in the hands of Minifiers
who had (hewn themfellves .n every att, and in every
fend:tient they del;vered, as the friends of Ireland
—wh• fe policy to Ireland was always boon and
conciliation. I (hall not confider schtt..er it would
he leis alarming, that the powers to be given to the
Lord Lieutenant were to be veiled in Inch a man as
the Duke of Redford, who had already proved to
the people of Ireland that he never c.arld be per-
[traded to ref irt to the extraordinary powers vetted
in itim, as long as the laws of the country were ISA.
cient to maintain its peace. In faying this, I do not
mean to throw the leaft reflexion upon the Noble
Doke (the Duke of Richmond) who is now Lord
Lieutenant. I fincerely hope that he will follow
the conflitutional condo& of his predeceffar. On a
former occafion, when circumftances prevtrred me
from bringing forward my prefent motion, it gain-
ed at leaft one fatisla from the delay. It gave
me an opportunity of ;hewing my motion round to
many of the Members of the Houfe, and I found that
there was fomothing like a unanimous concurrence
in the object of it. I feel there is nothing wanting
to carry the objet of it into compleat execution, but
a calm and temperate review of the flotation of af-
fairs in Ireland ; and as i fcarcelk heard any objec-
tion to the refolution which I have to propofe horn
any Member whom I (hewed it to, I should conceive
it an impertinent and ufelels introit )n on your time
for me to go at length in endeavouring to meet, and
anfwer arguments which I cannot well anticipate,
or to de many preliminary obfervations to endeavour
to induce you to agree to that, which I think you
cane :l rejeD. The principal argument that I forefee
againtt my motion is, that this is fuch a delicate fub-
jeD, that the lefs that can be laid about it the better ;
that the ground is to tender, that it is dangerous to
tread upon it. What is this, but faying in other
words we melt legifla•e fc,r this country blinifolded
Str.h is the argument that is ufed by his Majetty's
Miniders. The Chancellor of the Exchequer con-
feffed he knew trot little of the hate of Ireland. The
great Law Officers of the Crown, the Attorney and
Solicitor General, did not pretend to know any thing
more, nor did Minilters appear to with to know any
thing of Ireland. They are content to legiflate for
that country, without underflanding its real flitted, n.
Can there be a ttronger proof of this, than the differ-
ent lights and authorities by which the Houle were
influenced ? One g-eat authority Pays, there is no
tendency to tumult or infuireffion in Ireland ano-
ther, a Noble Lord, in another place, confirms the
Raiment. When the troops are drawn away from
Ireland and fent to the Baltic, to aflill the views of
the King of Sweden, we are told there is no dan-
ger ; but yet, when, thofe Bills are brought into the
Houle, we are told again that there is great danger
and much tendency to infurreetion in Ireland. Not-
withflanding all the whifpers I have heard, and the
hearfay authorities on which thofe fevere meafures
are grounded, I find that moil of the public docu-
ments thew that the !late of things in Irelar.d is dif-
ferent from the account given by thofe whitperers
upon whole authority Minitters Teem entirely to rely.
In the county of Tipperary, Judge Fox, at the af-
fixes, congratulated the country on the peace it now
enjoys. It is notorious that on the wht,le calendar
there was not a tingle man found guilty of say att of

feditian or drilayal, y. ,he county of Kilkenny,
alfo, the ;rand Jory of the comity, in a folemn
and authentic dacumear, took notice of the happy
{late of that enmity, of the i!armenv which exifled
Setween the Prateltants and the Cathelies,- and ex-
preffec' their with thar this forpairrefs Ana harmony
Should be ititl ta•ther inereafed, Ar a full participa-
tio; of rite Catholiee, in all the hleffings of the Com
flirntion. 'Mete are ell.:` arlitedly molt relpeaa!le
and v.-eighty authorities, that the Rate of Ireland is
not lurch A, to require meatures of tormlial rigour
and feve•ity. Or the other hand, we have an. au-
tharity whom no man refpeels ni to highly than I do,
I mean the Right Hon-err:4lde Reprefentarive of
Dahlin (Mr. Grattan.) I admire his great talent!,
his independence and his integri y ; and, as an Irifh-
man, although I have priocieally !elided in this
cotintrv, I feel a debt of gratitude to him for his
great exertions in f rmer times for the independence
and heppinefs of Ireland. So highly do I reipeet
hie private authurity, that I cannot help balancing it
aeaintl all thole heat authorities on the other fide,
and feel confide rabic doubt and hefitation how I
Ihauld determine in my own mind, when thofe fo.
lento and deliberate documents which I have al-
luded to, are contralled with his great authority.—
When there is this cortradiglion among the atithori.
tica, it appears to me that it is a great and, I will
fay; imperioas y, for Parliament to take this im-
portan• firlijed into its mall fictions confiderati
Ler it not he Paid that we fly from the confider atian
of the topic, and legiflate merely from hearfay !
Let it not he laid that we are either prevented by .
ircl4-nee, or by a timid apprehention of danger,
from fairly cnnfidering the grounds of thole extranr-
dinars, rocafares which have been reforted to with
refoed to Ireland!
As to the charge of nfing inflammatory language,
with a view to produce-irritation and difcontent in
Ireland, I feel that it is a charge which will not at-
tech to me. I do not think it prefumptuous fir me
to fav, that nn man can he More free than myfelf
from the fitfpici ,o of wilhing to air np {edition, mu-
tiny. 'r Oifafferlior, in any par. of the empire.--
( • cud cries of ',car kar !) There is no man living
that can fee with more deteGation than I do, theft
mifetable traitors (if any fuch do exift in Ireland)
who would surrender the Canflitotion and liberties
• of their country to a foreign tyrant. I do not deny,
that Come filch wretches may tall in Ireland, but I
am convinced that their number is very (Mall. When
I look at all :he apperarees, I cannot helittee there
is anv danger of a general and alarming fpirit of in•.
furreairm in that cesintry. On the contrary, if I
were ta furp-le a foreigner, completely a Granger to
our prejudices, had • turned his attention to the af-
fairs of this empire' and of Ireland in particular :
I thiek that filch foreigner would rather fay, " I
congratulate the Government of this country on the
loyally of the people of Ireland," and he-would add,
I judge of this Ina At), from four reafans. la. When the
Duke of Bedford was rafhly called upon by fame ill
judging men to proclaim a particular county he refufed
to do In, and found that the operatian of the ordinary
laws of the country was abundantly lefEcient to re-
Rote and preferve its tranquiliity. The second
gr and upon which I infer its loyalty, is from the
indifpof.oion which it (hews to tumult. Even when
you rejected the Catholic Bill(which might naturally
be fuppofed to be a ground of irritation) they did
trot Phew the leatt difpofition to riot. Even when
you lent over all the feeds of tint wrapped tip in your
proclamati.oe to diffolve the Parliament, 11111 the
people of It eland (hewedno tendency to infirm:E.:iota'
Such foreigner might go on and fay, In the third
place, I find, from what has palled in Kilkenny and
Tipperary, that tilde counties which were reprelem
ted as dilturbed, are in the molt profound peace and
harmony ' and in the fourth place, when 1 lee you
withdraw fo large a portion of your army from Ire-
land, when I fee you take away the whole German
Legion, which appeared to be a force peculiarly cal-
culated to watch and put down infurre6lian, I cast
not conceive that you can feel any ferious alatm on
account of the (late of Ireland.' Such mutt be the
'opinion of any impartial foreigner—filch mull be the
idea of every men who would form his judgment
ftom falls, and not from hearfay, or the private au-
thority r f
I ilwuid now- with to hear front Iris Majelty's
wtat kind of anfweir they could give to
fuch a foreigner ? They would peritaps fay, as to
your first the, Duke of Bedford was wrong in
not ufing thole extraordinary powers, and in content-
ing himielt with the powers rut the law. As to there
being no riots in Iceland, they would fay that was
all accident. 'Phey would fay, that Judge Fox, in
the Grand Jury cf Kilkenny, did not Icts.oe the !tate
of the counties of Tipperary and Kilkenny as well as
they did ; but that, as to the fourth point, they did
not withdraw the troops from Ireland without having
a moll excellent expedient to furaly tire abfence of
them. It they had marched cut an army, they in-
tended, at the fame time, to march in an Aft of
Parliament, If they had withdrawn a legion, ihey
h ad introduced a law—(a louL-b).—This expedient
would, to- he lure, found fomewhat lirange in the
ears of a foreigner ; he would not readily underaand
that Ireland could be as well garriioned by Ath of
Parliament as by an army. It we are now to argue
the matter nn feelings, I will all: the Hcufe,
why is it that they boall that they intend to make the
people of England an armed people as far as it is
p whet: at the fame time they are determined
to tnake the people of Ireland any thing but an ar-
med people? If yon per till in dilarming the
pe. pie, and that craiTery lacald ever be invaded, I
have (lly two rinellices to ere you : When you have
taken from the Irifh people their arms, what are they
to fight with ? When you hove takea away their con-
flitutton, what are they to Carla far
44 But I am told by f: m of thefe high authorities,
that there is certaitify a Frarech faaion exillieg in
Ireland. I all:, when was there not a French faction
in that country ? Since the detys of )peen Elizabeth,
this country has put;lied arch a vile and narrow po-
licy toward,: Ireland, that naturally drove many of
the high ipirited youths of that country, uho were
convected aid) ale Catholic faith, to Peek for an afy-
taro in Fiance, Irmo „which they regularly correfe
ponder.; will. tacit ieads in Ireland. This was the
c.mre that roodecad a French fa4tion in Ireland, and
art lrLrlt fanlicp la France. Before the ccnceffiont
which were made in tee coerfe of the prefent reign,
treatment of Ireland was work than the treat.

merit of any country which ever had been conquered
and oppreifed by the vilelt of tyrant,. It is erne.
that there were many fliportaelt ce,nceffinns during'
the pi efent reign. It is alto true, that there is a
'mode of conteering benefits and boons that made the
obligation he little felt, and hardly excited gratitude.
There appeared to he an extraordinary vanity in the
modes that had been retorted to for oppialling Ire-
lane. Sometimes it was done by attacking the rich,
f metimes by grinding and fcnurging the poor, and
t other times by (inking at the purfuits of commer-
cial men. With all this variety of oppreffion, fome
pet,' le affected to confider it wonderful that the Irifb
had been a difcontented people. This reminds me
of a Rory I have heard, where an frith drummer
was one of the principal chareeters. While he was
flogging a foldier, according to the fentence of a.;
couit martial, the poor fellow, writhing with pain,
intreated him to change his mode of lathing him.
Sometimes be called to him to Arike a little higher,
and lometimes a little lower. The drummer endea-
voured to accommodate him as far as it was in his
power ; but finding it to no purpofe, at tall cried
out, " Upon my cnnicience, you are a difcontented
fellow ; whether 1 tirike high or low, there is no
loch thing as pleating you."—(a loud laugh). This
is precifely the cafe with refpe& to Ireland. Not.
withflanding the infinite variety of oppreffion exer-
cifed againft them, these are Rill a number of them
who are fu unteafonable as to be difcontented.
" If I am then afked, am I fo fore of the loyalty
of the people of Ireland, as to fay that no precaution
is neceffary ? I will anfwer that the precaution that
I would take is this : I fhould with the King's army
to he kept on the moR complete footing, as a guard
of honour to the conflitution, the laws, and liber-
ties, of Ireland. At times like the prefent, I would
not title the exiffence of Ireland, or of the empire by
being unprepared ; but the preparation I would with
for, is an army, and not fevere laws. I cannot fay
that I would truff the defence of Ireland altogether
to the fpirit of its inhabitants, becaufe no man can
poflibly know to what extent the fpirit of difconteet
may have prevailed. No man can fay or know to
what might be the feelings of a confiderable portion
I of the population, if an enemy landed in force ; and
therefore, although I fee no ground for great dif-
' truff, I fee abundant ground for the precaution of
having a large military force in that country. Your
fevere laws may teach peaple the cunning to be filent,
but there can be nothing In truly overawing as a great
military force, inch as would detiroy all hopes of
fuccefsful infurreetion, and even damp the hopes
which the partizans of the French would otherwife
feel, in the event of invallon. A large army would
be the bell fecutity ttgainft any general infurreetion ;
and as to partial and fudden rifingr, or tumults, the
Confiitntion is fufliciently powerful to fupprefs them.
Mar ial law is, under certain circurntlances, a con-
flitutional When martial law is, however,
proclaimed in its proper Rape, it is well watched by
the vigilance of thole who are flibmitted to it ; the
neceffity of it muff be apparent ; and thole who
proclaim it, at under a moll ferious refponfibility.
This meafure, however, is infinitely worfe than mar-
tial law, becaufe it comes clifguifed and Reed from
refponfibility in thole who were to exercife it. It was
martial law " in mefeitterade," that had not the
holdnefs to avow itfelf. It was martial law free from
tefpontibility, and extended for a length of time to
ourfelves, that were in perfect peace.
" it has been always the fenfe and praftice of the
Conffitution of this Country, that the people thoold
be armed to meet anvalanger which threatened them.
Experience and the hifiory of all nations, but parti-
cularly of the Englith nation, (hew that an armed
people are, among themfelves, full as peaceable, if
not More le, than a people difarmed and driven to
defpair. In the ancient times of our hiffory, what-
ever internal difcontents and feuds might exit}, it was
Bever fuppofed unfafe on that account to iffue Corn-
millions of Array, and call the greater part of the
population of the country nut in arms. Se far from
apprehending any danger from fuch a meafure, it was
fometimes even reckoned good policy, and calling
the Englith nation out in arms againß a foreign enemy
has often bees found the beff way of appealing do-
meffic difcontents. The ancient Kings of England
never thought there was any danger, nor never fOund
any, from calling the nation to arms, whatever private
difcontents might exiff. Where then was the necef-
fity of treating Ireland in a manner fo very different
from that in which England had always been treated ?
I will now put it to the Right Hon. Gentleman (the
Chancellor of the Exchequer), whether he can ima•
gine or conceive any pntlible fituation is which he
would venture to propofe for this country the fame
measures which have been now eneifled for Ireland
There have been times when this country has been
in greater danger, and when much more difaffeelion
prevailed in it ; and yet no Minifier had ever the
boldnefs to propofe for England meafures any
thing at all fimilar to thofe which have been fo long
aaed on in Ireland, and which have now been re-
enacted. The difaffe&iOn and the danger in this
country has been much greater than is pretended
now to exit in Ireland. When the Pretender was
alive, and there were millions of Jacobites in the
country, and before their hopes were cut down in the
year 174.5, no Englith Minifler ventured to propofe
fuch meafures as have been adopted for Ireland, al-
though, from the difference of the authorities, there
feems confiderable doubt whether there is any con-
fidcrable or alarming difaffeetion now in Ireland.
Did any Englilh Miniller ever think of propefing a
law, that Engli:hmen were not to be out of their beds
after fun f_r, and all the ref of that catalogue of
feverities which were now enacted againft Ireland ?
It no p: ovoea lion ever did or could induce an Englith
Miniffer to propofe loch laws for England, why fhould
they be enaeled againft Ireland ? But it is laid that
this is only a fu -pe.ntion of the Con ttitution in Irelield
for three pears. I do not like this mode of giving
leafes to the Crown of the Conflitutien and the liber-
ties of the country. Leafes of this fort are too apt
to be renewed, and in the prefent cafe the Crown has
had the leafs 14 years, and it has been renewed for
tirce years longer. What will be the end of this? will
t'e he ever reamed to Ireland ? I fear
that a people that fo geietly reigns its liberties to the
Crown for a tinte, iil never regain them. The au-
thority of the R ielit Hon. Gentlemen (Mr. Grattan)
was every thing with Minificts, when they wanted to
lay fome colour: .)1e foundation for their Bill ; but
when the fame 'Might Hon. Gentleman contended,
with Ateanfwcrab 1: arguments, for thortening the

duration niche Bill, then as his authority did not fait
their purpofe, it went for nothing. As to the anus
that are to be Idled under this Bill, there is, to be
lure, a receipt to be given by the feizing juflice, and
a prontilc to refic,re them at the end of the three
years, but I flinuld wills to fee the receipt which the
talents of the Right Hon. Gentleman (the Chancellor
of the Exchequer) could produce, that would anfwer
as a receipt for the Conllitution of a free countty,
depofited in the hands of Ivliniflers for three years,
and to be by them reftored at the end of three years
frefh and unimpaired.
" If it were afked, what refource would the people
have, if Miniflers thould not reltore the null ? Soule
would aalwet, that the only appeal of a people in.
jurcd and outraged was to arms. This appeal was,
however, to be cut off, as they were not to be allowed
' arms to try the quart el. It is impnffible but that the
Irifh mutt 'member all the fine promifes which were
I made at the Union, not one of which have been rea-
lized. As to that freedom of Conflitution and equal
rights, which Ireland was promifed at that time, it
puts me in mind of the prefents which are fometimes
wade to a child, and which the mama promifes to
take care of, for fear the child would make a bad ufe
of them. Ireland had been jnoll egregionfly duped
and trifled with. There has not been a fingle at
done to carry into effect the promifes of the Union.
I (hall read you an extract from one of the pamphlets
written at that time : If we were to be one people,
the preponderance of the Proteflants throughout the i
Empire would be fu great, that there could be no
longer any jealoufy between the two religions, or any
pretext for curbing and refiraining the Roman Catho.
lies of Ireland.' This pamphlet is not from any mean
authority : it is the produdion of no his a man than.
Dodor Duigenan (a loud and general laugh.)
Thefe were the promifes held out by loch men
as Dr. Duigenan and Lord Redefdale, in conjunction
with Mr. Pitt, and others of that Adminitlration,
who are alto Members of the. Relent Cabinet. The
Secretary for Fereign Affaire (Mr. Canning) and
the Noble Lord (Lord Caftlereagh) are emphatically
pledged to the Catholics of Ireland, and they had a
right to exped that they would be their friends when-
ever they fhould come into power. When they found
their expedations thus crufhed, their hopes deferred
and deceived, it was natural to fuppc.fe there would
be fome difcontent. I have no hefitation in allowing,
that many who have oppofed their claims in this
Honfe, have acted from the molt confcientious feel-
ings ; bur I will afk, what mull the Irifh think of
thole whom they v.nlidered as bound by a pledge
and who have abandoned it ?

" I cannot blame thole perfons from acquiefcing in
the confcientious fcruples of the King ; I knew there
was a pretty general union of fentiment in this crun•
try upon the occafion, -and I gave the late Admini-
Itration more credit for withdrawing the Bill than I
did for bringing it forward. ( Hear ! hear ! from the
Minillerial Rendes ) But, when I allow that thofe
Members of the Cabinet were right in acquiefcing
with his Majefiy's fcruples, how could they elcape his
fevereft difpleafure and indignation,if they fhnuld join
in railing the cry of " No Pcspery !" when, from the
pledges they had given, it mutt be well known that
they would have wi(hed the meafirre to pals. I hope
that thofe who were fo pledged, did feparate them-
felves in the Cabinet from the perfons who let up
that hideous yell, and (hewed that they were not
difpofed to throw new obflacles in the way of the
Catholics. I certainly do not confider that the Bill
which was brought in, was of that importance which
appeared to belong to it by thofe who brought it
in. I think that in their meafures, for the relief
of Ireland, they began tit the wrong end, and that
if we with to make Ireland contented and happy,
we fhould link to the cottage and the potato? gar
den, rather than to the manfion and the park. Any
attempt to improve the condition of Ireland, that
does not begin with the lower order, appears to me
like dretiing out a fhip with gaudy flags, when (he
has ten feet water in the hold ; or putting a laced
hat on a man who has no [hoes. The Hate of the
lower orders of the people in Ireland has been mech
mifreprefented in this country. Many fuppofe that
they arc incorrigibly idle, and naturally In turbulent
and diforderly, that it is impoflible to make them
comfortable or happy. Thole who think fo know
little, and have read little of the Elate of the Irdb
Peafantry. Among the pamphlets written on the
fithjeet, that written by Mr. Bell would afford much
ufeful informati at. If we look at the bids labourers
in this country, we will lied a very different charac-
ter. Many of them thew conliderable entet prize when
they come to this country for bread, and deferve
praife when they return to (hare it with 'their families
—Almok all the hard work in this Metropolis is,
done by bititmen, and the watchmen and patroles,
to whom the fecurity of the city is committed at night
are almctt exclittlyely of that country. Will it then
be laid that thofe who in this country (hew themfelves
to be barely, rohlift, indultrious, and faithful, have
none of thole qualities when they are in their own
cotintr) ? If they do not (hew the fame qualities there,
it is from profs tnifmanagcment on the part of their
rulers. It now appears almoft a hacknied topic to
fay, that this is a moll critical and momentous period
—I am really lick of your Continental Allies, your
magnanimous Emperor Alexander, and ail the reft
of them. I have read in a Paper of this day, that this
magnanimous Emperor boatied of returning trium-
phant to his capital, with his dominions increafed.—
i3ut how were they increafed ? From the plunder
and fpoil of his conquered Ally, the King of Pruflia.
If, inttead of taking away any thing front him, he
had given him fomething in confideratkn loffes,
then I would have laid that was fomething like mag-
nanimity. When I look at the Map of Europe,
• where Mr. Burke once thought he law a blank—
which once was France—l can now fee nothing but
France. If I look to the Emit Indies, I fee an Em•
Aire badly managed ; if I look to the W e'o Indies, I
fee the planters and merchants in a gate of the
greateft &fir& (Lam glad to find that the Hoare
have refolved to take their cafe into contideration
next SeQion). When I look to Arterica, I fee a molt
dilagreeable profpeet, although I have no hetitation
in laying, that we mull never give up 01o:it rights
which have made us a great maritime nation. When
I look to Ireland, I fee that our Statute Boak points
it out as a country where kticus intinreetion is to be
apprehended. After having Peen tunic };loamy
prulptels in every direeliun, what ccntelation do I
find in turning my eyes to the fituation of our own
Government, and to what pages within Ode walls?

*bile Bonaparte is inakirg i!tn..tj 11%31.11101e:
Europe, 1 fee nothing here but petty b'cketings ana
differentp arty i
e ems
militarys anlpi auxin,
:11
cproemvpaarirCiarotniono.r
theirrh
they had a wager depending, which of them woos,
the greateft number of men in a given
One party lays, my plan is better than yours; !Le
in
phpleiarelstf,rayyyso:iul
iyriodjui bw
fh doireapstig
tuteihsi guilty
while
;teal jib;l;oitallernde feom wtylei es
fic
quering kingdoms, and threatening the glory, the
honour, the independence, and the very exiflencenf.
the country. See how Bonaparte has employed his
time, while we confume ours in trifling wranglec!...„
He has furrnunded his empire, not merely with loch •
an iron barrier as the vanity and ambi ion of Louis
XIV. afpired to : he has furrounded it with empires
and kingdoms of his own.creation. He has bound
the Sovereigns of thefe countries to him by benefits,
and by the ties of obligation. Their gratitude trill
ferve as. hoflages, and their fears will beTtiffident
pledges of their fidelity. The Paitfadocs wh ch fur-
round the ramparts of his Thr...ne, are c. mpnied of
the Sceptre and Crown of the 111,:natchs he
has made. States of his own creatien are tl e
lilartello Towers which arc to defend his Empire,
and Sovereigns are his fentinels. What Ally'
now remains for this country, and what is the mca-
lure which I propofe ? I propcfe ah affeftionate alli-
ance with Ireland: I call upon you to fublidize
Ireland ; not with money, which your Cm-dinental •
Allies have been always roady to take from you
1 without performing their fervice, but by acts of
Mice: Justice is all that Ireland afks foriolpr,nlotnhlcoe
for at your hands. If ye;(1 are prepared to do juflice
1 to' Ireland, you will an ally more faithful and
more important than any yen have Intl
Continent. 1 allow that the peel-cm times are times
of danger, but true manly fpirit does not refife to
look at danger. We mull examine it, know what it
i is, and weigh it well, and then be prepared with
dauotlefs hearts to meet it. (Lout/ crier of hear ! bear!)
ilf we aft as we- ought to do, although the country
fhould be invaded, I rely on fuccefs under PROVI•
DCNCE ; but if we fhApld fail, and any hifiorian be
j allowed by the tyrart to record the fate of the. E-
m-1 pire, it would be laid of us that we were a nation
faithful, not only to our allies, but to the great prin-
ciples of liberty ; that thole two fmall Minds lot nut'
a nation which was the altar and.the Taft afylum. r f
f. eedom upon earth;'andlltat when we contended for
it, we fought with 'aft thit.h;ly zeal that lhould.
fpire bravemen; in pi eirenlingt?)e violation of luck
a fanetuary." He then concluded by moving
ir Thai the Hoare wilt immediately on meeting 4 the enruing
Seffion of Parliament, proceed' to, take into their .inolt
and folemn confideration, the State- and Condi:ion 4 Irelclat,
in the anxious hope, that fuck !matures and. remedies niasrbe
lately adopted in regard to the dircontents all.r.gcd to cilia in-t*,
country, as may render unneceffary the cohtinuance of thole pro.
%Mons which the Legiflature of the Unlqd Kingdom lta, deemed,
it ! xpedient reludantly to adopt at thetiotent the prefent Stint :HI
and the permaneuce of whicl) would be a viol.stion of the to" of
the people of Ireland, and a fut;verfion of the fpirit and pradlice of
our free Conftitutien."

Ttrs CHANCELLOR of 'the EXCHEQUER.
Paid, it was not his intention to follow the light
Honourable Gentleman through the var.ious parts of
his fpeecb; but there were-one or two topies,on
which he could not forbear, to mike Imre obferra-
tions. He particularly thought. it neceffary to inf'ain
the Houle, that the Right Honourable Gentleman
had made a very gleat miaake in that part of his
Itatement, in which he faid that Government had,
in the prefent fituatinn of the country, drawn nut of
it a very large military *force, and, in lieu thereof,
had garrifoned Ireland by two Alis of Parliament.
He allowed that a confiderable body of troops had
been withdralen from Ireland ; but, at the fame time
there was a very flrong force left in that country—a
force fully fufficient and adequate to its military de.
fence, which had, in fall, been reduced in a very in._
ennliAerable degree ; for by varying the difpolition
of troop., and where they take from one quarter lop-
' plying their places from another, that was eafily
guarded againft. In fact, there were now above
so,ooo men in rank and file in Ireland, and the
Right Honourable Gentleman would Ice, that not-
withftanding it had been thought neceffary to. fend
from thence a very large body of men, yet the
miG-
rary defence of the country had not been negteeted
by thofe who formed the prefent Adminiaration
lie thought it neceffary thus early to correct this
millake, left an idea Ihould be entertained that Mi.
niaers had for a moment been regardlefs of the pro.
per defence and fecurity of the country againft all
atTailants. He then proceeded to advert to the paint
which the Right Honourable Gentleman had in view,
in bringing forward 11;e refolution which bad jun
been read from the chair; and he could not, he laid,
but be fomewhat furprited, that the Right Honour.
able Gentleman thould, on that night, make it the
foundation of arguments ttgainft certain meatirres that
had palled that Houle, when, in point of propriety'
and of fairnefs, he aught to have opPored thole mea•
lures during the time they were in their progrefs
through the Houle. It appeared to him, ahn, to he
tomewhat furprifing, that the Right Honourable
Gentler»an fhould urge Inch arguments as he had
jut: made vie of, by Way of appealing the lettings of
the people of it eland ; and when he flatted that the
pcorle who could fubmie to fuch•rneafiiiis, were, in
his opinion, prepay ing to. make a furre:nder of their
liberties for ever, he thooght Ilfat -Was not a proper
language to be uriel.at the prefent moment. The
Houle upon the fallen and fairen invtiiieition. of the
subject, and atter it had been warmly 2...!na;:ed in.the
vat ions thges ofq/?. two Bills, had thou:tin proper
to pals then reacataws; and4re c ;old h.r,rdWPlPP"ie
that in fa thort a•sitne•they would inde-ces to alter
their condtia,' ark!
.proceed to a candenanation of
what they 1);:d pre.- tOufly done, admiiiing a rein-
lution whicla vvent. (tiredly againtt thole v,...ry
He thought it indeed an extravagant expedation in
the Right Ilonoloable Gentleman th forport, that
the flunfe c,;uld fo far be led aiti.ay be• tt:c extent and
rot his a.g,ument,,'as riot. to perceive the in-
continency with which they molt ad, if they adopted
the refolution now fubmitted 4o 'their carfideiation.
He was well a(Tured, he Paid, Thai the would
always be read to enter warmly and zealobily ore
any meafure that might be thought likely. to be be.
neticial to Ireland, let it come from either the Right
:Honourable Gentleman himfelf, or front whatever
other quarter it /tight. • There was no neeetlity,
therefore, for the Houle to pledge itfell to that area
by any previous refolution. He was certain in his
ow n mind, whatever might have been at nay num

leited to the contrary, that the Houfe had never'
c(edged with an eye of indifference nn the interelis of
relad, and he could anfwer for it, that on the part I
tit the prefent Government, it would ever be their
Molt ardent and fincere with to pay every attention
to there interelts and to promote them to the maims
bf their power ; hut he could not conceive that was
to be done by calling on the Honk at that moment,
to ad pt a refolution which directly militated againft
the meafures they had In lately paired, and thereby
induce a belief that they had done that which was
likely to produce difcontents. The Right Honour
able Gentleman had made this ref elution the ground
work to introduce a variety of arguments, which, in
Ids opinion, were very irrelevant and unneceirary.—
He would not, hnn ever, trefpafs on the time of the
Houle by following him into In wide a field, but
would content himself, after the few obfervations he
had made, wi h moving the previous queftion.
The SPEAKER then read the original motion,
and having put the previous q'ieflion,
Mr. GRATTAN role, and laid, that haying been
alladed to on the prefent evening as well as on a
former occifinn, as an authority relpeCting the par-
ticular flute of Ireland. he would with to make a few
()bre, vatinns on the prefent motion. With refpeet to
the Bills that had In lately paired the Houfe, he
would lay, that if he had voted at all, it would
certainly have been for the fh.;'tter term of their du-
ration, and then he would have voted for the Bills.
Ile expreffed hind-elf in terms of high admiration
of the feritiments which had juft been delivered by
his Right Honourable Friend (Mr. Sheridan), in
bringing f rward the refolution which he had fub.
milted to the confederation of the Houfe ; fentiments
he laid, which excited in him the deepeft gratitude,
and which mull excite the fame in the brealt of every
Jrahman, from the very kind and favourable opinion
they conveyed of the 14)yalry, zeal, and attachment of
the people of that country to the government of this.
The very eloquent and animated manner in which
thofe fentiments were delivered, could not fail to
make a deep impreflion on all who were ihterefted
for that part of the united empire : and if he difered
with his Right Hon. Friend in any refped in the pre
fent negation, it was net in the fentiments thendeives,
but in the particular direetion of theta. His Right
Bon. Friend had flared, that he thought the palling
of the late bills (the infurre.tlion and the army hills),
was not neceffary ; for hi, own part, he collet not
but differ with him moll pointedly on that head.—
His Right Honourable Friend had alto flared, that i
there had always been a French party in Ireland.—
He allowed the justice of that itatement ; but he
begged the Houle, and his Right Hon Friend
to recolleCt, that there was a very great difference
between a party that had exifled, and a party that
now citified ; and tint only that, but there was alio al
great difference in the times, and now that France
was become filch a gigantic power, and a French
party exitted in Ireland, that was alone in his opinion
a gond real n for adopting a ftrong:meafure. There
might he times when the common law of the land was ,
by no means futficient for the fafety and fecurity
of the country ; and when that i, the cafe, firnrg
meafures ngitt be refotted to. He did not mean to
fay that the people t It eland were in general difaf-
feeteci :00 the contrary, he joined with his Right Hon.
Friend, in the belief that they were generally loyal
and firmly attached to the Government of this
country. It v as not, however, fufficlent to fay that
particular counties %sere unditfurbed. Mr. Juflice
Fox, he had no doubt, was very right in what he
bad Paid of the counties of Tippera, y, Wexford, and
Kilkenny, but there might be difcomented parties in
other quarters, which were frificient t., justify the
extraordinary powers given by the Bills lately paired.
His Right Hon. Freud had Hated that the people
of Ireland were in a (late of pet fed tranquillity, and
that a perfen of the highelt authority in another
place had given it as his opinion, that the Arms Bill
was unnecdrary. That high authority might think
fo, but he could not agree with him on that head.—
The great 0bj,41 of the Arms Bill feemcd not to be
fully underlie id ; it had in view the difarrr.ing, not ,
the great mars of the people, but certain portions of .
them who were rebel., and v.ho went about the coun. I
try to the Iv tiles of farmers and gentlemen who were
known to have arms, and plundered them of the fame,
to rile them for rebellisru, put poles, nod one r I the
chief objeCts of the Bill was to take from thole rob•
hers the power of doing that. Another °NO of ;
the Aa was to prevent compulfory oaths from being I
adminillerect, and other maters which tended to p:o
mote and eliffute infurreEtion. He allowed that thofgj
Acts were uncontritutional, and alluded to the dying
regnelt of LordKilwardeo, which had beeu fir:Tie:illy
quoted ; that Noble Loud had, however, given his
entire approbation to Ails of a fimilar tene:ency.---
Lord Yelvert n, alt,, who was univerfally allowed inl
behind to he a emit ir utional Judge, had faationed
finiilar meafures in 1796 and 1798. There had aim()
been at that time a very ci rittitutional Attorney
Geroral and Solicitor General, the former of whom
had diann the filo'. 8.11 introduced on that iubjeft.
.hen he faw therefore that the doiff conttitutional
Lawyers had all agreed in die necedity of reforting
In fuch me dines, much as he arnired the eloquent
arguments 4 f his Right Hep. Frier d, he mull for,
that it he were to be called nn again, he would, for
the fafety and fectit :tit of Ireland, vote for thnfe efts.
Informer rime's the Iri(h Legitlature had pafrec! aets
Of a lifllliar kind agailot ,t,f-lerentr di:tethers of the
public peace, fuch as agointi the White Boy, in t 776,
and afterwards againli the Hearts of roeel and Peep
of I).iy Boys. He could not therefore think that the
people of Ireland could corcetve that Horde was in-
different to their. right-, and c irelefs of their interens
becatife they had naffed thole Aets. He was certain
that much ttronger Bills Ilia:, fhere would not dohaff
the ttilchief to the freedom of :retard, that a revival
of the old disturbances ant; initirreetinns would.—
Gentlemen who thought otherwilt forgot •he prefent
fituation of the country, they forgot that France wes
at our doors : and it w..s necell'ary to re hind them,
that in inch a fituarioci we were net to look at the
Rate of things on the mere princti ie of right and
Wrong, but 4.n the imperiens hecetlitv of pr(Jomina
ling eheumftances. It is ti been the invariable prac-
tice to tufuend the mod coni.ittoi 'nal laws in the
cafe of an invall n, and wren there was a French
party in behind, we might do at tale time whit we
/enrold not do at :intact. He thought the Bills
neceflary tor the her ter tem ii y of the conntry ag,ainft
1 Inv dint( and dillu li it c•r, anti he voted for them not
tor the purpote uf extending the powerof the crown,

. ..
but t, lave the country from ruin. He was lorry to--
have taken up fo much of time of the Honfe ; but
he could not, for the reafons he had given, help fay
ing thus much on the inhjea of thofe aas, in which
he differed from his Right Hon. Friend. He then
adverted to that part of the motion, which had for
its immediate rbjea an inquiry into the Nate of Ire
land ; and in cnnfidering that fubjea, he fhnuld divide
it into three heads; viz. Educatir n, Agriculture, and
Religion. With refpea to the &II part, Education,
he thought plans might eafily he adapted, which
would anfwer the mull beneficial purpofes. There
were in Ireland confiderable funds appropriated for
the advancement of the educati m of the people, but
thofe funds had been grofsly milapplied; lo much fn,
that though they amounted to upwards of gcool. a
year, they only fupported 18 free fcholars. Much
inquiry had frequently taken place on this fubjea ;
and it had been found that the matters bad not done
their duty, and the funds had been greatly ahufed,
and much m fufed. He had liimfelf taken confider-
able pains on this fubjea, and knew that the prefent
mailers were molt of them good men. There mull i
therefore have been great mifmanagement in thole
funds basing been expended, without producing a
greater number of free fcholars than :8. He thought
it would be better than to have the prefent number
of fchools, to fubmit to have two great fchools, for
the education of the higher orders ; for when a little
fchool was planted, it was loon paralized in its opt- '
rations. By the law of Ireland, there fhtiold be a
free fchool in ever y diocefe, and there being 34 dio-
cefes iii the country, there ought to be 34 dincefan
fchools; and if thole were added to two great public
fchools, he thought thole would he fufficient for the
education of the higher orders. By the law of Ireland
there mull he a fch tol in every parifh, which amount.
ed in number to 2200 parilhes ; there were nor, how.
ever, more than 400 fchnols, and thnfe only educat-
ed t r,OOO perfons. II there was a fchool in every pa-
rilh, he thought that wou'd he firfficient for the educa-
tion of the common people, who were, in his opinion,
a people of a literary turn of mind, and given to pur-
foits of that narute. The fecund head on which he
fhould touch, wa, the Agriculture of the country
He apologized to the Houle for introducing this fub-
jea, which he fh told not have dune, had it not been
under confederation of the }Lute durine the lateAd
1 minitiratinn. In this article the great ebjea would be
the modification of tythes. 'I tete were two modes,
I he laid, by which tythes might be modified; one was,
la mode in which the farmers and owner s of land paid
It much for hay, in much for corn, &c. which was
lan idea recognized. Another method was commu-
tation by land; but this had not been fn much in
pradice All the diflurbances in Ireland by the
1 White B vs. the Hearts of Steel, the Peep ef Day
1 Boys, and the Thrathers, had arifen from the op
preffion of t} thes. If this hone of contention could
, once be removed, it would do more I r the peace
lof the country than could well be conceived. The
Hnufe need not pledge itlelf to any meal-lire ; but he
was lure they could not proceed too fpeedily : and
I there was no grievance, the removal of which would
give fuch general fatisfaaion as that of tythes. The
next objedion which he lb add touch, was religion ;
and, on this head, we had no right to inquire farther
than as to the probahilif y of its influencing the Roman
Catholics to form alliances with our enemy, who are
of the fame pet loaf: n. The queltion then to be con•
fidered was : Would the Catholics join the natural
enemy ? If t! ey did nor, if they fought againil him,
as they !hared in our dangers, they ihould (hare in
your rights. He had no doubt but the great ma•
jority of the Catholics in Ireland would take up
arms againft the common enemy, and he was the
more confident in this. from what had lately taken
place. He then adverted to the Add refs of the Pro
tenant Grand Jury to the Catholics in the county of
Kilkenny at the late Aflizes, in which the Grand
Jury congratulated the county that there was not a
tingle perfon to be tried for fedition or diflurbance of
the pubic peace. And the Catholics, in their anfwer,
attributed the peaceable and tranquil Hate of the
county to the harmony and unanimity (obi-tiling be.
tween tire Protefi ant s and Catholics ; and they pledged
therrifelwes to join the Proteflants in pieferving the
peace of the country, and in wilting againit the cern-
mon enemy and preventing the growth of Fret c .
principles, and the evil of French domination From
loch fpecimens of harmony he hoped the bell refults ;
and if the people of Ireland law their fituation in it
Itrue light, if they had lirength of mind to bear their
I, calatnnies with fortitude, the care and attention t f
Parliament could not tail to unite them in the
lirongell and clofeft bands of union. It wouid not
be necefrary for them to 10. k to Holland, to Genna,
or to Switzerland, to fee the effeas of French in•er-
ferettce, which had entailed on them, in return of
their ancient rights, a nate of the balelt flavei y and
the viten oppreffion. They would rather look with
gratitude to the zra of 1779, when they recovered
their trade, and to that of 1782, when they recto
vered their Cenflituticn ; and, imprelTed with thole
advantages, when they law Parliament attentive and
defirons to remove thole difadvantages under which
they Ilia labour, and which were preiumed to be
done away by the Union, he had too doubt but they
would alt join with heart and hand to combat the
common enemy; and we might then bid defiance to
any power that might attempt to attack our united
Em;tire. He therefore fully approved that part of
his Right Hon. Friend's mot'. in which went to a
confideration of the (late of Ireland, but riot of that
' which alluded to and condemned the two Bills lately
pa !fed.
Mr. DILLON (poke fhnrtly on the fame grounds.
and exprelled his approbation of the arguments ufed
by his Right Hon. Friend who fpoke lalt.
Mr. WINDHAM laid, that no man was more im•
prelred with the importance of Ireland than he was ;
that the inhabitants of that comitt y were in general
loyal he had no doubt,hut that there exitled a French
party there every man mutt acknowledge. if the
late roeafut es were harlh, they were In by neceflity ;
and being In he mull objea to all declamation upon
their feverity. When his Right Hon. Friend (Mr.
Sheridan) indulged hinifel: in this way, he lhould
recoiled he was limning a willing, boric, which, if
inhumanly goaded, might throw his rider. He was
doubly fearful of holding nut expedations to Ireland
wl en he recolleaed the .imited means we had of la-
iist ying them. ire did not approve ef that part of
hi, Right Hon. F iend'a noatinn which cendemeed
what tad recently been done, will the reit he Itc3r•
tily concurred.

imPd RUSSFEA, lamentetl, that at 4.. e time
in which, above all things, unanimity was important,
it thould be thought nrcefTary to r-foit to thole vio-
lent meatures frnm which the ditaffettion of the par
ple at Ireland had originated. It was employed as
an excufe for them that France was more rowetful,
and that in conf“-pence the French party in Leland
was rn-re confident ; but the fame exnedients were
retorted to wile,: France was in a condition of corn-
patative imbecility. He would he glad to learn how
far it was intended to pr(•ce-_.l in this fpirit, it it
were for ever to he ffitgorien that coercion was the
parent of difaffearm ? Was Ireland conflanfly to be
reduced to the (late of dependance •ny which a c
rn-
queted country was difgraced He had heard the
Right Hon. Mover talk of conceflions to the kith
during the prefent reign, and be was furry to be
obliged to enquire what they were ? True it was,
t' at the Alt of ,n was parted, but none of the
prornifes had been fulfilled, ~f which a Noble Lord
(Caltltreagli) fippfifife to him was the organ, and
in the confidence of which that Union had been ob-
tained. He hoped the Houle would concur in the
motion of his Right Hon. Friend, equally from a re-
gard to the fecurity of the triter Wand, and of our
own.

Mr. LOCKHART exprefred forrife, that the
Right Hon. Gentleman who had brought forward
this motion, had reprefented the Aets of a Legifla
tore, that was diltinguilhed by Cofmopolitan beoefi-
cence, as the evil of which Ireland had to c'mplain.
So far from tieing a fufpenfion of the Conttitution,
thefe Aets were but the exercife of it. To call forth
the powers given by the Contiituti-m for the protec•
tion of the peaceable and loyal fubjeets, was but to
put the C nllitution in force. He was happy that
the example of the Right Hon. Gentleman had not
been followed by the other Right Hon. Gentleman
who fpoke from the fame bench, and had pointed out
certain meafures for the relief of Ireland. As to the
meafure refpeeting education, he entirely agreed will
that Hon. Gensleman ; and as to a compofition for
tytlaes, if that fhould be nec-Ifary, he fhoild not e.p.
poleit, provided that compnfiticn were to be pro
greffive with the times, and as well fecured as tithes
are in this country to the clergy. As to the queili.in
of emancipation, his difficulty vs'as, that the prirci
pies of the religion would in the event of the Catho-
lics getting into power be dangerous to the Protef
rant afeendancy. He thought it infinitely better that
the Government fhnuld he living and able to corn
mand °pig ions, before it Ihould concede boons, and
he hoped that the Government would at all times he
competent to infure the obedience of the people.. He
fh uld vote againft the motion, becaufe it implied a
derelietion of duty on their parts, and a cenfure upon
I the alts of the Legifliture, the neceflity for which
had been admitted on all hands.

Mr. HERBERT cbferved, that it was by the
adoption of inch plans as had been fuggeßed by the
Right Hot,. Gentleman (Mr. Grattan), that the peo
pieple of Leland were to he gained over. He could not
support the motion of the Right Hon. Gentleman
oppofite, in its prefent fhapc ; but, if he would c••n•
fent to leave nut all after the word 41 Sefflun," he
Ihoti/c1 then vote fur the motion.

Mr. SHERIDAN rPfe to exprefs his readincis to
comply with the fuggeflion of the Hon. Member, a
readinefs.o hich he had befcre intimated in the fpecch
which preceded his motion.
The SPEAKER acquainted the H nt. Member,
that no amendment could be made on the original
nu.tton after the previous quation had bccn once
mr•ved.

Mr. SHERIDAN replied, that he returned the
Right Hon. Gentleman would withdraw the Pie
vinus (L•'fliost.
Mr. h USK ISSON remarked acrofs the table, that
the opprrintiry was gone by.
Mr. SHERIDAN returned, that he never in his
life law a quellion more grofsly mirappiehended.—
Mu 4 Gentlemen were ready to admit that the former
part of the motion was proper; and what followed
the word " &Ilion,' which was deemed fo ohjedion-
Able ? It was this, " and the performance of which
wool] be a violation of the rights of the people of
Ireland. ai-43 a fUhvezfion of the principles of our
free Conititution." What could he the objection to
dicta terms, and the fenriment they conveyed ? Was
not the main argument for the introdudion of thole
laws, that they 'horrid bt temporary ; and was not
this the leading ethic& in thefe expreflions, without
imputing any thing difcreditable to the meafutes ?
They were limited to three years, obviinifly tecatile
:heir permanence would be a violation of the Conni-
truion, as Rated in the concluding words. The Hon.
Gentleman bel..w him teemed to have lifiened to the
opening fpcech with great anxiety ; he rarnehly
withed he had filtered with equal attention, and that
the 1111. Gentleman's anxiety had not dellroyed his
capacity for attention. All he (Mr. Sheridan) had
Paid, was, that the Ads paired futpended the Omni
troion with regard to Ireland. He was not to be
expelled to produce proofs of what was fo palpable ;
if rellimony was required, it was incumbent on Mi.
nifty s to produce i. in Mutilation of thole grievances
by which thele liatittes could alcne be jiinified. I'o
proceed other wife wont t. whf I.ly reverie the natural
order of things. Had tire Gen.lcmen on the other
fide flared any filch evidence, allowing even for the
take of argument, that tittle were the proper reme-
dies for thole grievance• ? The Hittite had refufed to
take thefe ads into its annual review, and all he
fought was, that this pledge Ihould be given, that the
lubjed would be reconfidered next leftism. It was
laid that we were find to make the Irilh obedient,
an ! then confer boons ; that was, that we were to
excite their fears, as preparatory for their love; but
this was not the happielt way of a:leading theaffec-
tiuns of mankind. Then when he (Mr. Sheridan)
talked of the awkward manner in which the favours
of this cooniry were conleired or. Leland, the Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. Lockhart) Paid he was " taken
aback." He (Mr. Sheridan) not having had the
advantage of a naval educati• n, did not underhand
Tea phrafes; hut he thought he could comprehend
this, that obligations might be fo bellowed, as to
leave no inipreflions of gratitude. He did molt ear-
nettly deprecate the folly of waiting for that period
to make c..11i.-ns, when it could not be done with a
good grace, and vet when you could niit dare to
withhold them. He had r oshirg to reply to the
eul ,gy of the El..ra-o table Gentleman (Mr Lockhart),
on Britilh legifla:inn. He ought indeed to be filent
u; on it, as the lionoura:ile Gentleman had employed
a lefiluipedalien term (alluding to the word 4:of.

rapo'itan) tvlt'! which he w' ai as iglinrani as of tit-
marine p!lrart of the Horrurable G-n 1-!man ; h.it
whatever rrt;2:lt be the occult rite using rf •s
learned cxprt;7 n, he (Mr Sheridan) W.A• • onfi.
dent that any r ncorniiim w•Amld he whoii, inapplica-
ble as far as fir%ith .ti n c •uld he explained by
its enaelnun,s, ,s ith regard to Irelan.f. A Right.
Honourable im.nd of hi, (Mr. G alta ) !rate4,
tiro the moii feri us grievance, of rte I ill rt:igi-
slated in the tvi hes. He (Mr She iclan) i:nt pre.
folic to know It .w far the count' y was opinetrei fr.,m
this cattle ; hut if the Heart of S:eel B ,y,. the Whi.e.
B.mys, the Thretheis, and other dii .tlemed, were in
arms on that account, at leami the dilc ,riten.s of ire-
land were to be I,tributed to Come other motive than
the favourite tie ~t tie F. erten t .Etion. A Rier
Honourable Fmicr.d of his halt afle.d whether a per -
fon would find fault with A bean• y m,rely h-.cairle
the had a rintple tyon het face ? a Tie ii•in of b.me
gallantry. Certainly no Itiihmrn w ta;sl. But he
w.'uld fay—'' My dear beauty, nut a r: Ad, noon the
pimple, but don't put a malk on all you face." There
might be a dark !Pot ikt the crouvrv. b It do not put
a mane on the whole liberties of Irei4n..i. Another
Hon. Gentlzman held out a el..6lmine to wl ich he
hirofell could not agree. He (M.. Lock tart) was
for depriving frela Id of the blellings of the Bi tiith
Coniiitution until after they had gone thr' ugh the
hour of trial, and had made all the great exertions
need:Try in the impending

" Et prora..r vitam vitz peraere caufae
But he (Mr. Sheridan) was not &firm'. of making -
experiments en their valour and their loyally He
was for encouraging and animating them in the
cattle, by making them know and fed their advan•
rages, and teacliing them to regard their connedion
wi.h Great Britain as their lecurity and their hap-
pinefs. He was not for waiting till their viltite
and couraoe had been difolayed by their achieve-
ments in the field, in orJer to give them after-
wards what he thought were preliminary rights
He &Sired to know whin the Catholic., of J el
hid tot therm themfelves a brave and diflioguifhed
rice. He knew that we mull trult,-in cafe of dan-
ger, to a Catholic Militia. Let hint be (hewn that
he vfas wrong, not by affertions, but by fads, or he
mutt (till c milder the Catholics of Ireland et:pally
loyal and zeal-tis. and ready to Ricci their blood in
their cotintiy's defence. with the other parts of the
community. With refped to what he had laid con-
cerning the Bill brought in andwithdrawn by the late
Minitters, and which had been alluded to in the de.
bate, he mutt ribErve that he did not hold that Bill
cheap : but though he conceived its objed, he kill
thought it was beginning at the wrong end, and that
the lower claffes were the fit a whom we Ihottld bettio
with and take that as a foblequent meafitre of courfe.
He eves !hought that the adoption of that Biil,ohlels
accompanied ik h fomething of thi kind, could not
tend to plea le the lower claffesgreatly. I. might, among
thenocreate jealenfy, andineline them to think that the
gently had got all they wanted, and that refit melon,
as it c• neer tied them, was not to go hand in hand with
the amelioration of the higher orders. The fpecific
°Ned of that Bill, however, he highly approved
That Bill Vk ent to take away all impediment.. in the
way cf promotion from brave and meritorious
officers, to whole advancement and rewaid A limit
was now aflianed of the molt revolting nature, and
who bond themfelves moll unjultly,init ab tlaey had
arrived at a flotation by their atchievements that de-
ferved promotion and honour, in the fame propor-
tion compelled to fubmit to privation and degrada-
tion. W! ch was the belt mode, in this pro fli tg cr ifis,
of proceedipg with the people of Ireland was the
queflion at trite. Tc, difarm them, to tell them we
(hall wait to fee their behaviour in the time of trial,
t i winters the greatnefs of their efforts ? No! He
would encourage and animate them by folid benefits
and ptivilege%. He would even fend them againtl
the enemy with their raker, and the conflitution muf-
fled round their bodies for their armour. and we
fltould find them ready to lofe the Lill drop of their
blood in their valiant efforts in our defence He mutt
now recur to what he let out with. He was oil&
dent that the ntmott benefit would refult to the Em-
pire at large—but at any rate the maniteliation of a
dilpofition by that Houle to acknowledge the impor-
tance of the lubjed, and the expreffi n of an 'mention
to enter ferioufly into it, would be a pacifier, and
muff aflili in procuring a fenfe of attachment and
obedience. When King Charles the Fir It applied to
Mr. Selden, an enquired of him. what was, in his
opinion, the bell remedy for rebelli .n, what was Mr.
Selden's anfwer ? " Seek for and remove the cattle."
This advice be mat apply to the (late of Ireland.
Mr. G. RATTAN and Mr. SHERIDAN mutually
explained. _ _

'Mt. FULLER thought that the real fituation of
Feland required examination by tome perfons there
properly qualified, fuch as members of the Royal
—(a la71))—or the Society of Arts, and
other ;erfons well qualified. He hoped Parliament
would do •ft'mething to render the Union between
the own countries nor nominal but real.

M .f2.OC.H RA NE JOHNSTONE Ibni,ld vote for
the motion. If Patli ,ment fhoulet neglcet the Mate
of heand, it would bring itfeif diirepute.
The qiiellion being put, the Honft: divided on Mr.
Shevidan's rnoti.in—i.yes 33—Noes 76—Majority
againll it 43.
When the Gallery was aga;nsopered, we found Mr.
WINDHAM on his legs, making fonle obfervations
r.fpeeling the fever 01 refolution, he iw ended to move
relative to the Army Retorns. at different periods.
After fomz cormei fat'on with Lord Cadereagh, who
had fimilar refolotions to move, it was agreed, on
the Speaker's fuggeflion, that the Noble Lard thould
move ?n adjournment of one week on each of Mr.
Windham's refclutions,which was agieed to and done
accordingly, Mr. W.'s objelt being merely the enter.
ing of his refolntions on the Journals, after which
Lord Cattlereugh's refolutions were read, agreed to,
and entered.