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London, England, 1812-01-23 00:00:00

WAYS Aiill MEANS.

The House then went Into the Committees of Supply and
Ways and Means ; and the War Taxes for the year were gran-
ted, to the amount of 20 millions, part of which to be defrayed
by Exchequer Bills.
HIS MAJESTY'S HOUSEHOLD.

The Papers with respect to the Expenditure of the Civil List,
moved tor on Monday by Mr. Tic& NET, were brought up by
Mr. WHARTON, and ordered to He on the table.

Mr. TIERNEY moved for a list of the several sums applied in
a:d of the Civil I.ist Revenue, and for a specification of the
sources from which they were derived from July 1804, to Ittly
1611. t.

DISTILLERY HILL.

.Mr. LUSHTNGTON brought up the Report of
the:Distillery Bill.' _ _

- Sir JOHN NEWPORT regretted that it had not
been earlier in his power to call the attention of the
House to one clause in this Bill. He was no enemy
to the general subject and scope of the measure; but
there was one part of it on which be wished the
House to pause, and consider it in all its bearings,
before they adopted a Resolution, which, according to
his view of it, would lead to the most pernicious con-
sequences. The clause to which he alluded related to
.the prohibition of intercourse, by which the exports
were to suspended between the two islands. He ob-
served, that there was a striking contrariety between
the body of the enactment of the Articles of Union
and the Schedule attached to it. The eighth Article

erpressly forbade any bounty or prohibition ; and it
was in a great degree on the faith of that article that
the compact had been formed. It sias not, then,
with a view of inflaming, but rather to preclude in-
flammation, that he should urge that the question
ought to be fairly and fully considered, and that a
(salutary enactment should not be put away, as by a
side-wind, by the annexation of a schedule. He
begged the House to consider how far this principle
of prohibition would lead. Supposing it should be
thought advisable to cramp and confine the manu-
facture of linen in Ireland, the effect of adopting this
principle would be, that the linen trade would entirely
cease and determine. He was aware that this was

an extreme case ; yet he was justified in putting it, in
lorder to spew the danger of drawing this present
measure into a precedent. The Honourable Mem.
bers would consider that this question was an object
'of discussion out of the House as well as in it ; and
that tho Irish could not but observe that the Impe-
rial Parliament was composed chiefly of Englishmen,
in the proportion of 558 to 100 ; and that it was in
the power of this majority to destroy the effect of the
original compact, and thus, in the words of the pro-
verb, make the weakest go to the wall. Indeed, it
was natural, and to be expected, that Members would
entertain prejudices favourable to that part of the
kingdom to which they belonged ; and if he (Sir J.
Newport) could not be struck with this circumstance,
,how much more weight was it calculated to carry
:out of the House. He deprecated, therefore, the
Imischievous principle which should suffer advantage
Ito be taken of a schedule to the destruction of all ad-
vantages held out by the Act of Union. It was from
a firm conviction that he WAS doing his duty to his
country, that he desired that the House would fairly
and fully meet the question, and provide some legis-
lative remedy. He would add but one word : let
not Ireland have occasion to say that she has been
frustrated of one great advantage which had beeri
held out to her by the Act of Union, and which he
had the authority of Mr. Pitt for stating, was consi-
dered as a grand equivalent for the surrenders which
were made by Ireland.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
rose to state, that as Sir J. Newport's objections went
merely to one clause, he should, before his reply, wait
to hear what other objections might be urged against
the Bill.

Mr. SINCLAIR objected to the Bill, on the
ground that it entrenched on the agricultural interests
of Scotland.
Sir G. CLARKE rose to move the introduction
of a clause to the bill. He wished to call the atten-
tion of the House to what appeared to him to be an
erroneous calculation in two provisions of the bill.—
On the supposition that one hundred gallons of sugar
wash would produce twenty-one gallons of spirit, an
impost of 7s. Bd. had been laid ; such was the calcu-
lation of the English distillers, who at first, however,
mentioned twenty-two gallons as the average pro.
duce ; but the Scotch distillers estimated the proceeds
at twenty-four gallons; so that, if 24 instead of in
gallons should be produced, a difference would exist
in favour of the English distiller. It was the object,
therefore, of this clause, to propose some measure to
ensure the payment of the duty when the produce
exceeded 21 gallons. He then proposed the clause.
but was informed by the Speaker that this was not the
proper time for its introduction.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
observed, that though the inexperience of Sir G.
Clarke had led him into a mistake, with respect to
the forms of the House, yet he had thrown out some
remarks which were worthy of notice. His statement
of the calculation was perfectly correct : yet it was
`not till after a considerable agitation of the contro-
verted points, that the charge alluded to was adopted
from a firm conviction on the part of the House, that
the estimate was fairly made. He thought that all
the reasoning which went to recommend the Scotch
system in part, would favour the adoption of it alto-
gether, yet he himself conceived that it was far more
deiirable to extend the English system to Scotland,
than to apply the Scotch system to England ; and
rte should advise the mode of collecting the duty on
ibis manufacture to be the same in both countries.—
He considered the subject as one of too much detail
to be argued in debate. A Committee was the re-
feree for such minute investigat.on, which would only
embarrass the measure in its present stage. With re.
spect to the objection of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr:
Sinclair) that the landholders of Scotland were un-
friendly to the plan, he would assure that H, n. Gen-
tleman, that more applications had been made to him
I from Scotland than from any other quarter, for the
introduction of this bill. With respect to the obser-
vations of Sir John Newport, he telt indebted to him
for the handsome manner of his proceeding. He bad
manifested no wish to obstruct the bill, but had from
a sense of duty called the attention cf the House to a
principle, as he conceived, of most mischievous ten.
dency. He hoped and thought the Right Hen. Ba-
ronet's fears were unfounded. Indeed, the case which
he had put was confessedly extravagant. It was not
probable, that it shOuld be ever thought politic to
prevent the importation of linen into this country
from Ireland ; but even then the case would not be
Analogous, unless flax should be postponed to some
other article, and cotton should be altogether substi-
tuted for linen ; a supposition which it was not within
the reach of probability to conceive. He then ob-
served, that in the last Session he had felt this bill
would not meet all the difficulties of the case ; yet it
had clearly appeared, that if, while; particular spe-
cies of manufacture was prohibited England, the
import and free market of a similar one from another
country should be allowed, the English manufacturer
would justly feel himself aggrieved at an enactment
l which would so materially affect his interests.
,These
considerations, together with the circumstance ot the
former abandonment of the interruption of the inter-
course alluded to would, he hoped, convince the 1
Right Hoh. Baronet, that it was not the intention of
his Majesty's Ministers to extend the principle which
appeared to the Right Hon. Baronet to be fraught
with such mischievous consequences.
Mr. HUTCHINSON said, that the Right Ho.
nour..ble Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exche.
I quer) had by no means answered the argument of
!his Right Honourable Friend (Sir John Newport),
founded on the violation of the 6th article of the
Union. The case put by his Right Honourable
Friend with respect to the linen trade, had been can-
ted by him an extravagant one in supposition, and in
practice almost impossible; but was it so difficult i

for the Right Honourable Gentleman to conceive the
actual occurrence of such a case Was this case, ie. •
deed, so impossible for his conception Was he so
ignorant or so forgetful of the history of his owls
country, or of Ireland's wrongs, as not to know, 64
at no very distant period, at a period celebrated is
English annals for facts supposed to be glorious Le
the English name, that a message was received by
the British House of Commons from King Waal;
recommending to his faithful Commons to take every
means in their power to put down the woollen trade,
the then staple manufacture of Ireland ? When the
Right Honourable Gentleman talked of the alasurcli.
ty of supposing such a case probable, was it not Nit
thus to remind him of what things have /am, end
what, if Btitish interests should require it, yet may ;,1
In one case the woollen trade was the most important
trade that Ireland then possessed. The linen trade
is nose her staple manufacture. When the one ;nom
tiered with the trade of England it was destroyed,
Why may not the other alto be destroyed, if it shook
so happen that it ever became obnoxious to Britain ?
It was on the principle that he argued; and his RiEbt
Hon. Friend was right when he told the House, tin
there was no proteLtion tar the rights of Ireland, we
violation, however small, of the articles of Coital wai
thus to be eompa.,sed by a side-wind. The principle
which in both cases be wished to insist upon was, that
experience had taught Ireland how unjust England
had been, and could be to her when English interests
required it ; and that no violation of Irish right, aide
regard to any part of her trade, should be suffered;
because what was done on a smaller, might, acme&
ing to the principle at least, be done on a larger scale, •
As he had made one historical allusion, be could not
refrain from mentioning to the House, also, that, in
1782, when an extension of trade was about to be
granted to Ireland, petitions innumerable were lent
in to that House, praying that Ireland should not
have a free trade ; and almost threatening, so earnest
were they in remonstrance, a rebellion, if the proposi.
tions favourable to the trade of Ireland were adopted,
[Hert the Chancellor of the Exchequer smiled]....
The Right Hon. Gentleman" might smile, but kis
pleasantry would not charm away facts; and he de.
tied the Right Hon. Gentleman to contradict bias.
From Glasgow, and the northern parts of England,
these petitions were unusually violent. The Honour.
able Member then made some observations on the

suspension of 1806, to the same tendency as those
used by Sir John Newport. and complained that Ire.
land was not fairly treated by the British Minister,
either in 1801, or at that period. The Minister after
the Union, in fact, found that the trade of distillitioe
bad been carried on by Ireland with some advan.
tages ; and, as in the Imperial Parliament, the British
party was tke stronger, he soon found the means, as
he had the power, tale these advantages away. The
stand which be took against the enactment of the pre-
sent bill, was, that it established a principle which
might, though not immediately, yet ultimately prove
ruinous to his country.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT explained.
Mr. HERBERT said, that were it not for the
Union, Ireland would hare been ruined, by its be.
coming some time or other hostile to England. He
deprecated the idea of the English party being coo-
sidereal as wishing to take advantage of their strength
in that House ; and he was quite sure, that no awl
advantage ever had been taken.
'The Amendments to the Bill were then read a I.
coed time ; and the Bill, as amended, was ordeal
to be read a third time to.morrow.
Sir G. CLARKE then proposed a clause ID if
Bill for appointing receivers, and regulating the duty;
the clause was adopted.
The Bill and Amendments were than ordered

be engrossed.—Adjourned.
MR. BROUGHAM'S RBSOLUTIONSI Al NOVII2 O TIMMS%
I. That the peaseseloa by the Crows of Wands Weed sass
wise than by the grant et supplies frau the Ciimmes r PI
went assembled, and applicable to porposeellat Ftevisrally mow
tamped by Parliament, is contrary to the spirit titbit Casstillitiso,
liable to great abuse, and full of danger to the rights et tie
ject 'arid the interests of the country.
2. That it is the peculiar duty of the Cannons Hasse et Pau
liament to Investigate the nature and foundetion of ar sub leads
as are pretended or asserted to be vested in the Crown, is dr
manner above-mentioned.

3. 'flat the Funds arising front Wreck, whether at sea or ill
shore; Goods of Pirates; Ptises made before Preicialeatims
Prizes made by non-commissioned Captors; Yawls and drain
Cargoes detained in port, before the commencement of hold&
ties or coming Into port thorough Ignorance of war having taiga
place,
plaCe, or through stress of weather; and all other kid
the tie& accruing to the King, either in right of Ms =, at by '
v:rtne of Ms office of Lord High Admiral, and pretended or a•
anted to belong to his Majesty as a separate property,overwbfili
Parliarnint bath no controul, have arisen to siach en minket din
ring the last and present wars, as calls for the most @aims cm&
derati, n of this House. .
4. That it appears from the papers on the table of this Heim
that the net and clear proceeds of the aforesaid Funds, wWck had
accrued between the la day of February, 1793, and the 30th day
May, 1810, amounted to the sum of ie7,344,677, and that lo
01l probability they have since that time been considerably I
winaled.
L That these monies have been received by the Crown at dif.
Woe dmes in large'sums, and not in any regular proportion by
she year; anl that these sums have been at the disposal rid*
Cronin without any interference or controul of Parllannifes. _al%
thong& Parliament has, during the whole course of this penes.
mit qtey,provialcd the supplies for the prosecution of dllftlfer
1 and ratsea the slim requisite for the internal admientionle ad
lk, Country, but prodided the supplies estimated to be nession,
I net thosuppuet in his Majesty's Household and Farah. mdt Ihr
i Agility of the Crown; and furnished large sums for 4401 '
such debts as had arisen in these departments.
is. 1 hat this House taking these things into its ceesiinallo
will forthwith proceed to enquire into the most fit and Ififfiii.
menu of bringing the aforesaid funds under the Imessdhwas►
! troul of Parliament, for the purpose of applying the Mae Of ill
public service, and of providing such addition' wan=
may appear to be necessary to the maintettance oldie
and of the honour and dignity of the Crown.
hilt. Tiennnn't AMEND/CENT.
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unprecedented sums, at different end uncertain podia
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