Star.
London, England, 1830-02-05 00:00:00

run:ion to the number of plat4o of worshipwatul he begged tumor
that tinge returns be made as soon zs possible.
After a few words from Mr.. Put, Mr. W. Sawn, and Mr.
Powlman the motion was agreed to.
Mr. PORTMAN moved for returns connected with the
courts to England and Wales, which granted probate of wills,
. &v.—Ordered. •

'MR •DDRII2II.
The SPEAKER then read a copy of the speech, delivered by
the Lords Commissioners.
laird DA R LIN G TON moved the address. He knew be sup-
ported a Tory administration; and though Whig and Tory were
merely party names, yet be adhered to it as a designation. He
• supporting a tory administration acting on Whig minciples—
( A iamb.) He was no Ultra in his opinions. When be saw the
ii ,ble.duke at the head of his majesty's government, and remem-
bered his great military services, that alone would induce him to
support his administration. The noble lord concluded by reading
the address, which was, u usual, an echo of the speech.
Mr. WARD seconded the adoption of the address. He dwelt
much upon the blessings of peace to which this country had now
been so long accustomed, and expressed Ms hopes that govern-
ment would do all in their power to maintain that peace to a long
..nd distant period lie adverted to the system of economy al-
luded to in the speech, and to the efforts of government to carry
it into effect lo every department of the state; and he expressed
bit amviction that every member of the late Finance Committee
'by
be gratified at seeing such a system so vigorously adopted
by gbverncneot. Such a system was panicolat ly necessary, at a time
when there was a lamentable falling off in the revenue, and when,
after so many years, they beheld their debt no lower than it had been
at the termination of the war. It was a lamentable fact that they had
!wed so far left behind in that respect by prance and America.—
The 'debt of France did not amount to .1-4th the debt of this
country, and in America they would have no debt at sH In lige—%
dwelt upon the necessity of reducing the interest of the pith&
tecarides. He admitted that great and extraordinary distress?or-
waded every class in the country, and that something should be
domestic was equally ready to acknowledge; but the people should
not be deluded by what was not practicable. The malt-tax would
alford, he conceived, but a partial relief, and that to the growers of
Ansley. After several other observations, the bon. member ten-
ti stied by seconding the address.
Sir B K NATCHBULL said, that in being obliged to confine
himself to the subjects noticed in the address, be felt that he was
plated under circumstances of peculiar difficulty. It was only a
short time since he had been informed of the topics which the speech
and the address were to contain ; and he therefore felt it difficult
to apply himself to the observations which he had to make, and to
the ameodnient which be intended to propose, in such.a manner as
would make them intelligible to the House. Under such circum-
stantes, he might be justified in taking a course which bad been
adopted on s • I previous occasions—be meant that of proposing ;
the adjournment of the debate on the address till to-morrow,
in orJer to give time for consolidating into the address such topics
as hr might wish to see introduced into it. That coarse, however,
be should not hdlow at present, because it appeared to him nut to .
be accordant with the temper and spirit of the house. He should
therefore proceed to grapple at once with the address in the best
manner that he could ; but before he entered upon a minute
investigation of its contents, he would beg leave to offer one
or . two remarks •on what bad fallen from the noble
lord who had moved it, and from his bon. friend who bad se-
ams's:4 it. He would state once for all, that If the address bad
been in unison with the sentiments which they had expressed
in their speeches, there would have been little difference of
opinion between them and him. The noble lord said that the
existence of distress was general through the country, and his Hon.
Friend said that its amount was most extraordinary. But what
said the address? The speech said, that distress only prevailed in
some parts of the United Kingdom—(Hear.) Having thought it
but reasonable to observe upon the discrepancy which existed be-
tween the address and the speeches made bythe mover and seconder
of
ft, he would now proceed to travel shortly through the leading
topics of the address itself. The address commenced with a state-
ment declaring the war between Russia and Turkey to be at an end,
and,congratulated his majesty upon that event. He jollied in
thostiOongratulatione, and the more readily because the Speech
said nothing of the mode in which that war bad been brought
to its termination. The next point to that,
allusion was made,
was the pacification and (anal settlement of Greece. On that point
he had no observation to make, except that be entertained san-
guine hopes tbae that pacification and, that final settlement had
been effected in a manner satisfactory to the interests of this
country. He would also add, that if they bad been made in
stich a manner as would produce a saving of expense to the re-
sources of this countrycit would be to him a ground of additional
satisfaction. With regard to the allusions made in the Address
to our misdate with Portugal, he would only remark, that be, in
common with many others lamented the situation in which we
were placed. How we bad been placed in it be could not tell,
but it was a subject which deserved, and would no dolt meet
with, investigation. Wby Don Miguel had not been recognised,
as recognised undoubtedly be would be, was to him inexplicable.
The house had also been told that the estimates for the current
year bad been framed with every attention to economy. He beard
thit declaration with sincere joy, and from the quarter from which
it came be had no doubt but that it was the fact. The next point
to which their attention was called, was the improvements to
be he made in the courts of law. With all that had been said
upon that bead he cordially concurred, for be always bad been,
and always, should be, ready Jo give his support to the man
who was inclined to serve his country. It was indifferent to
hint in.wbose bands its destinies were placed, so long as they were
honestly, fairly, and wisely administered. The next point was,
. the extraordinary increase which had taken place last year in the
export of Midi& produce and manufacture. He heartily wished
that be could refer to that extraordinary increase as a fair index of
the, prosperity of
.the country. •He could have wished, however,
that that which had been exported had been distributed fairly
among the producers and consumers of this country. It might be
. that this great increase had arisen from over.trading ; and then
white was its permanent advantage ? If it had not arisen from such
a cause, then it ought to be in the power of the Chancellor of the
Exchequer to come down to the House and to take off a large por.
Mom of taxes, as it had been prophesied in the year 1825 that he
would be able to do In the year 1850. He was atraid that if any
person entertained any expectation that that prediction would be
now fulfilled, he would be wofully disappointed. He now came
to that part of the address on which be intended to propose 618•
1
amendment. The assertion in his Majesty's speech—which he,
exercising his right as an independent member of Parliament,'
should consider not as the speech of his Majesty, but of bis Ma-
jesty's Ministers.
Mr. W A no.
Sir E. KN A TCH BULL.--Did be hear his hon. friend aright?
Did his boo. friend mean to controvert a point which had been
settled for now more than a century past, that his Majesty's speech
should be comidered as that of his ministers?
Mr. WARD intimated that be had no such intention t he had
misunderstood his hon. friend. He supposed that his Iwo. friend
had Intended to consider his, speech as that of ministers. Now
ministers were not at all responsible for what he bad said.
(Laughter.)
See E. KNATCHBULL said, that with all the responsi-
bility which he attached to ministers, be had never intended
to have made them responsible tor that. The ministers, then, bad
stared in the speech; that distress prevailed among the agricultural
and manufacturing classes in some parts of the Inked kingdom...—.
No to the amendment which be intended to propose.. be *Meld
• that the distress was general and universal. That war
the sole ifoint in the speech and in the address on which he in-
tended to join issue with the ministers who made the speech,
and the honourable member wbo'proposed the address. He mar-
velled how they could have lost sight of the existence of that
which was • known to every man who lived In the country. If
they bad said that they would use every exenion •in their power
tie alleviate and remove it, he abould'not have offered himself to the
attention of the House otitbis occasion but by some Strange and
unaccountable oversight they bad passeekby, and said that it was
confined to some parts of the kingdom. He might, perhaps, be
asked • what evtdirce there was that the distress was general? He
would merely reply, that itt that part of the country with which be
was himself immediately interested, be knew from his own obser-
vation that it was universal. If be were called 'Orin for other
proof, he would say, " Lit every Member who now hears me,
state honestly and fairly, and without reserve. what is the situation
of the place with which he, sae a repreientative, is immediately
connected?' (Hear,leir,'lsetV.)' lie, perhaps, might bear that
the dames+ was not so general as he stated ; but such a declaration
would not paddy bini.. Let members 'consider what they were
then called upon to do. They were asked upon this the first day of
the session—iperhaps the most important session that ever dawned
upon the country—to approach his' Majesty With a declaration
*bids amounted to something very like Cdownitght falsehood.—
lie did not suppose that • those who were for making such a
declaration were influenced by 'any unworthy motives r but
putting their motives out of consideration; let gentlemen decide
this question according to their observation—is the distress Leftist
or net ? He did not intend ib advett at present to any remedy for
this diuress. lie would not say one word as to the propriety of
reducing the malt-tat or revising the 'state of the ctirtimcy, for
both Awe questions must -steak soon under' the consideration of
the home,. and whenever they did so Cerise, he *Mudd be prepared
to date Ms opinion upon them honestly and ftratiesely. Ail be
asked tit house at vreSelit was this-to. Kate hr their address td
itis..Majesty the naked truth as to the distress' of the .cotrotry.
l'hoborm, member; aftettscime other obsertations which were -In-
•••• " • •

r•
.• ..