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London, England, 1806-05-01 00:00:00

fo tonfiderahle, es to induce the men to prefer the
cite Rate to the other. He had ken a plan which had
this objeft. He did not think it was quite regular
to allude to it, but it was in a periodical publication
which was pretty generally read. It was there pro.
pored to render this in a great meafure a military
country, and by this mode of fervice for a limited
' period, to promote a circulation of military men
throughout the kingdom. This plan might at lead
anfwer its end. But the ohjeft of the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman was not to difolits, but to retain as much as
ionflible. He hoped fr a general re enlillment, and
iI poflible to leave stifigta mama relrnrfiems—The coun-
try would fee nothing coming back with hi. good-
will ; and, therefore, where the Right Honourable
Gentleman departed from that plan, in his opinion
he depArted from it for the wotfe. The Right Ho.
towable Gentleman himfelf had adverted to the dif-
ficulties of foreign fervice upon hi. Ichenses, but pt 0-
pofed that in this cafe, the expedient of draughting
men into other regiments should be reforted to. Now
of all the words which had been held out to dacha-
ton, not excepting even the ballot, thi. word draft,
had been mon reprobated. We were alto to look to
the enormous expense of bringing home the men from
the Colonies, a thing which would be fo often rector-
ing. But there might be a difficulty in fending them
the time when they were entitled to their difcharge,
'mild here, therefore, the Right Hnn. Gentleman ex-
tended the period of ferrice fix months beyond the
'ptoper time. Now a publication had appeared lilt
pear, entitled, " The Life of General Wafhingtos,"
and there it appeared that in the correfpondence of
*t General with the Conthefs, be conflantly Wilted
Von* aebelity of continuing the Arvitee of the
Ira dories the war, and to do eualy what the
'Right Hon. Gentleman was about to do away.—
[Here he read an cattle from one of the General'.
fetters, where he complained bitterly of the Winners
of the alliftments, which was the only circuinttatce
that gave the enemy any chance of fuccefs.]
To be fure, the enliftusents there were annual. but
the principle wis the fame ; and General Wafhington
ihfißed upon the (wire being contlaued during the
War. And the Gentlemen on the other fide limed
to have forgot that, at the end of the firft keen years
silo of taco would be annually difcbarged from the
thou., Then it was fcarcely neceffary to expatiate
on the accidents of war. Would no reinforcements
ke required when they could not eafily be fent ? and
vista not the pitiless of oar colonies be often
elsooflomptied at thy *mem .when an attack wth
expelled 1 It might be Paid, that in rush cafes it
would not be confifteat with the fpirit of •Britiffi fa
Jliers to abandon their polls on Inch occaGons. But
then you (et not to mike rules by which firth a
thing could be put in their oPtimi; unkfs, indeed, the'
Right Hots. Gentlentail was prepared to accede to
the remittent of Babe, one of the revolutionary pa-
triots of Prance, and to 117, petlfh our colonies
than lofe our principle." But his object was, to Id:
fen the hardthips that attended the 'dtightal
meet. lf, however, he was to examine with nicety
into the motives by which percents week led to become
foldiers, or to adopt any other profeifion, he could
hot hope for much &theft in railing seen. There
trait might be in an ill humour, he might be Ist awe,
be might be in debt, or in drink.; but if the mania.
log ferjeant fhonld, in every inßanee, flatefairly that
the numerous difficulties, toils and dangers, to width
the fervice, though a glorious use, was liable, it was
to b: feared that the umber of recruits would be but
few. Now he took it op with a view to th.enfill-
matt. He agreed with the Honourable Generalise-
bind him, that this would tenet materially to &boy
the difciplioe of the Army. Ban additional bounty
was given, the let fix months of any period would
be a time when aria difcipline could notgbe exercifed.
U no bounty was to be given, then came the mailer-
piece of all. The Right Honourable Gentlittian
dived deep into human nature—he was a long, time
out of light. and at lalt he came op with his pot of
ale and fixpence per week (a laugh). Now the molt
objeßionable part of the plan Waswhat did not belong
to the fy Rem itfelf, but was grafted upon it. This was
the not applying it to the cuffing army. But then,
be laid that theybad entered on a fpecific contraft to
Terre for life. Ir ought nor, however, to be put in the
power of loch a body of men to enter upon difcuf.
lions refpeBing the nature of their conuaift, particu-
larly when the governors had the privilege of potting
their own cosaftrußion on them. But he differed
from the Right Hon. Gentlemen at to the nature of
the cootraB, for he apprehenclid that all men were
entitled to the contingencies of their condition. The
Right Honourable Gentleman, at any rate, ought to
be the laft to take advantage of any doubtful conftruc-
tion of the contra& He let his Lice apinft any
fraudulent means of obtaining foldiers, and yet he
denied the remedy to the only perlons who Coffered by
thefe fraudulent means. But the praftical online to
this was, that it would be inconvenient for the ler-
vice. He accepted of this anfwer, and would make
ufe of it for another purple, by laying, that the
adoption of the plan altogether, in the manner now
propofed, would be inconvenient and dangerous to
the public fervice. Serious as he thought theft ob-
jeltions, he did think that the Honourable Gentle-
man would with to retread fume of his Reps, and he
hoped that he would do fo before he had gone too
far. The plan might be tried, but as it was now
propofed, it was one of the wildeft fehemes that could
be imagined. He had heard of a perfon who had
read himfelf into a Icheme, but worked himfelf out
of it. The Right Honourable Gentleman probably
had read and talked himfelf into this fcheme. and he
hoped that he would afro work himfelf out of it. The
Right Hon. Gentleman panegyrized the Regular
Army. On this point there could be no difference of
opinion. But, without too great a veneration for the
ettablifhments and opinions of our ancellors, he might
difapprove of carrying the Regular Army to an un-
limited extent without any thing to balance it. In
emergencies, our Regular Army might be thus aug.
merited along with our other forces. But he was pro-
ceeding with it in a manner that would lap all the
checks upon it conß;tutionally tßabliflied. He might
fay that our checks were nothing, as our Militia and
Regular Army could never be drawn out againft each
other. Goo ti.rhid that they fhould. Btu look at the
analogy of our civil oßabliffinient.. What were they
but a ly Item of checks and balances, which had a fiknt
operation ? If the Right Hon. Gentleman's frttem
WAS in have its fufl tired, ten years hence a Member
might rife in that Houk, and deviate his ictitiments
with ver; different feelings from thrift: by which be woo

gluated. A Randing Army, therefore,
be t egarJed with jealoufy. But, at the
war. the Militia too was to be renewed bi
and by that means it would be equally it
of the Crown as the regular army, and he
that the great objeliion t t this Bill was, t
too !midi in the hands of the Crown, and

in come meafore, fuperfeded the life of the
For the &It rime, !lace the revolution, the
were voted before the eflimates were prefented,
it became the Houk to confider the more,

of army we were In have. The Mutiny
not he a fufficient check on the regular a
contlitmed. He then adverted to the tirong
for voluntary fel vice, which the Right Hon.
racy m.rnifeiled, which ought to make him
the fyttcm of volunteers. If he had read

hiloty of A commercial nation, of a
Carthage, taking arms, as had been
country, he would have hailed even the
with rapture—hut tans did not pleafe him
theories. TAlleyrand And Hauterive had
de4vouriag to perfitade the nation+ of Eut
we were sunk in floth and wealth ; but the
had given confidence to our friends, and '

tone of our enemies. He thee adveited

language which in that Houfe had been
against an iniividual (Cot-met Birch) who
tinguilhed himfelf in the Volunteer terrier
language he highly difapproved. The Right Ho-
nourable Gentleman mentioned the battle of Au-
&dna, and how the French army had marched
from Ulm to the Inn, through an unrefifting popu-
lation. But had they four hundred thoufand Volun-
teen, in their way, would they have proceeded in this
manner? He eontended,that thearmy was not degrad-
ed by the mixed nature of the fervicc, any more than
the Magiltracy was by the admiffinn of perfons to the
eirercife of the fun liens of Magittrates who were not
regularly trained to the law. The Volunteers were
conch better trained than the wej of the Honourable
Castleman could be. He afked, where officers could
be got to train the people ? How was a regifter of
them to be kept ? And from many other difficulties
attending this fyftem, he argued that it would be in
finitely mite inconvenient and heft efficient than the
Volunteers. It was faid of an ancient orator, *be-
lieved Perkles, that his arguments always left a Ring
in the ears of his hearers. Now the Right Hon. Gen-
tlenzan's illaftrations its this manner enabled him to
Vrecall his arguments. He then adverted to the eons-
ttiatifon of the ballot m David diMple looking for a
~true friend. The various forts of ferrite he complied
ie die perfou with her kitten!. eats Haile a large hole
.in Ms door for the larrrat, and a floater hole for the
thistle r, and Cotnuis.aGarof tinefer vice into another,
eo dißdlation, to a tube, to a pomp; to a refervoir, to
the lobby of the Houle of Commons, and faid that
'thiltight Hon. Gentlemen now applied this eppara-
4Mv tohis• own plan. It was a clue which did not
'leadsperfon out of the labyrinth, bat one like that
'of the Fair Rofathond, which led otters to her habi.
'whin. 'the qbettion was, whether this would pro.
dace an army at all ; and; if h would, whether it
could be Inch a one as the Houfe could regard with.
out jealonfy? He concluded by nsovitig. that the Bill
• be read a ikeond -time this day three weeks.
Mr. WILBERFORCE obferved, that his Hon.'
Friend had faith little about the real qtteflion before
• the Hook, which was, whether the Bill thoald be
lepealedi From his own experience, as well as the
information of thole on whom be could depend, be
was convinced that it mull be repealed. He had
pbferved how it operated is his awn county, and
had applied for inforntatioa from Somerfet and other
counties, and the refult was, that he found that in
many instances, not a man could be obtained, and
01 agreed in the itnpothbility of carrying its provi-
dons into execution. The people of this country
Were ready to exert themfelves on an emergency, but
they wifhed to do things directly, and not to be afked
Airmen when money was wanted. From his expe-
rience of the charalter of the perfon with whom the
Bill originated, he was lure that bad he lived to this
day, he would have propofed many material altera-
lions in it, if not conferrted to its repeal. It was one
foga of his character, which he particularly admired,
that When he found any of his mesfbres to be wrong
he changed his courfe, without any regard to the
charges of incoofiftency, or any others that might
be brought againft him. This made him one of
the fated Minifters that ever governed this country
—and if others would follow his example in this, they
would feel much more fatisfaCtion, than they could
experience inconvenience from a temporary loft of
popularity. But the Bill was contrary to every
principle of juflice, for it was not to be borne that
people fhould be fined for not doing what it was ut.
terly impoftible for them to do. The meafure,
however, had furnifhed much ufeful information, and
many hints that enlightened us a great deal refped-
ing the proper method of railing men. He would
not give up the limited fervice, in point of fpace and
time, as by this means the agents were multiplied as
well as the number of men woo were willing to enter
the fervice. But this was not the principle of the
Bill. The principle of the Bill was to raise a whir
of men from the whole fuperficies of the country. He
agreed that we ought not to truft entirely to a (land-
ing army ; but his Honourable Friend (Mr. Can-
ning) did not do juflice to the fcheme of the Right
Honourable Secretary oppufite. When the people
were trained to arms, it was not to be fuppofed that,
however Right the training was, they were to run
away before an euemy like fo many Iheep. The oh.
jet/ of the plan was to familiatife the people with
the ufe of arms, and the effect of this would be,
they wnnld be of elfential tile upon an emergency.
He agreed, however, that the principle of making
this a military nation might he carried too far, for
we ought always to remember our true and proper
charatter, and keep only fuch an army as would be
neceltrry for our defence at home, and the affiflance
of our allies. But we might affill them in another
way. He hoped the Naval Service would always be
a favourite fervice wok this country, and that we
should not make the vain attempt to rival France in
a Regular Army. Fie highly approved of the fyßem
of Volunteers, and laid that if the armed population
could be called for'h w ith effeet nn an emergency.
the Volunteet; would er the fame purpose much
better. He flared an connote of chair Ipirit upon an
abr r in Yorkinire, when more airembled than were
w.,nte,l; and °AI,. rd. that with fuch a difpolition,
wthieolvy
uwtocuxladmliineintgetn,li,c,
e;t:!
howitnh
ray cwrei treir adlifeefl ritcid lion

an
attended with dangerous confequence.
Mr. HAWTHORN -stied
peal becaufe, whxn the
held out that it would ,
for home and di.pofal
rience, however, had r
vided had not been
(Caftlere.igh) had on
an encreafe had arifen
January, tBo6, amount,
ever, was, that the N
numbers which, on
mounted to 257,952.
lion had been made,
to the German Legion
recrnited on the C..ntie
tered into a varlet:
amount of the force
late Adminitiration,
Months, and deducing
grille had taken place.
:60.8M had completely
dicing men, had not r-
siti the average, more
fuid to be railed:
Of Referee and the Militia,
'dame than 56,000 ; that the
the IR of My, acia. wall
, March, iBO6, taking ,
'llse Bill, the numbers
would confequently be'
e men lets than
affurned para. ,
kind to the papatatel
'refpondence with
this Bill. which paper
,Bartw, that illegitimap
'procuring men; that
employed, crimps and
of it,and that by fplici
sited and unlimited
hoeb procured; but 11
jdry of the recruiting i
principle of the bill.
to the Lord Lieutenants
of September and 3111 of
them to advife the pad&
as their other avocations
efith this fpecies of ferviee.
,Government before the
not been fo Rated in
tbevfore, that injuffice
ciple of the bill. He r
recruiting officers, in
adverted to the meafure
an extrad from the lett
cruiting at New Sarum,
guineas to the churchwardens,
men. The Captain all
forth that the liberal
of the age of 18, or or
inches in height, who
battalion of the 62d
abed fervice for five ig s.
alto read a letter from Colonel Whitelock,
that the pariffies in Staffordthire had been recruiting
with great faced's, having one week procured fisteea
men and the preceding (even. Mr. Hawthorn, after,
enumerating the different returns under the bill, and
drawing from thence comparifons, concluded aith
giving his decie..d oppofititm to the bill.
Mr. LASCELLES objeded to the repeal of the
Ad. It had been (hewn to have produced a very con-
fider.ible number of men at a moil critical period, and
therefore he was not difpofed to give it up, till fume-
thing more effectual could be fuldlituted in its room.
, He charafterifed the military plans of the Right Hon.
Set: etary, as dangerous in the experiment, difgufting
to the Volunteers, sad inefficient as to its objed.
Lird EUSTON concurred in the opinion uf the
hti fpeaker.
Mr. G. VANSITTART was of opinion, that a
greater number of men might have been recruited in
the regular way, than were railed by the Para Offi.
eels, who were every way unqualified for fetch a ter-
vice. In the county which he had the honour to
reprefent (Barks) only eleven men h.d been railed
under the Ad, and fines to the amount of more than
6oe 01. had been ;tinned. Betides, the toeafute had
been attended with great additional expence, from
the frequent attendance which was necellary to be
given by Lieutenants of Counties and their
together with Clet ks, that were neceffatily employed
at confiderable expence.
Mr. SPENCER S IANHOPE eppn;eJ tie mn•
likeli to the new militaryon,andtookthat plans,portiinit aof
Lf,T a ire ttey e 4
etfing
thi7dl
cd
to the militia and the volunteers.
ebtlinit;t;dt
Mr. THORNTON (aid, that though he had °rife•
anal:ire
view
tpoi rut cectehees.Abdedbitair
feleFnurercaeroAnett,oyalur
opinion, and iliould now vole for its repeal.
ohitf.ar.:onßAtoS;hreApßifn
wconhiciihdehraedd
bietena al a
tael
yr ai
ur
agultotteGlVOiliel!tfhtfaVtiCtit would
iri hteenpeafd til;tiniyakref the rust-
ivy, abhile it mold produce dirtstatat in as raw

PW-2I

t, was AM to He raw nothing about the Artily of Referve, or lb. .
e end of the ballot, but was clearly F.r the repeal of this Bill.
by bounties, Me. CHA ftL&S LONG thought it was in jufliee
in the power due to the framer* of site Bill, to conGder which of
ie miintalned the two rail/snit& is the Beef 'issql to.laks into con&
I, that it put iteration 'that which the ij,o Ittlate_fijo nainells
the
od therefore, the Additional Force Ad. ' 'Wit lip. Friend
lie Militia.— (Mr. Causing) had goaded the igbitliees.Peerettirl
the fupplies to undertake the defence of bite tats but lac
•efented, and word conld be got fruit him. The Ma
re, what f.-it contended that the Bill was inisreleniette to harria-
. Bill would tions than the plans of the tight Hon. fieetentrfra
r army thus sesich, br returning to compulfion, would hgenjhe,
trong defite effca of fendering them inert/live. With re(peo sp
Hon. &ere the unprodudivenefs of the Sip scow under tronfnler•
him admire ation, he moll refer the Honk to the, pipets on the
ad in ancient table, to prose that thole whore dosy it seas; to earl
Tyre, or a it into circa, were totally ignorant of the liven'.
done in this (.4 Cr, • f bear 1 hear 1) The elaufes in the Right Ho.
to imav helh pourable Secretary's Bill, which refpeited the levying
im In well as of finer, was highly objetlionable. The Hon. Gen-
ad been en• tleman entered into fome companions rcfpeaing the
Europe, that numbers railed under the Bill at different periods to
ie Volunteers flew its efficacy, and put it to the Right Hon. Been-
I lowered the tary, in his own words, when (peaking nn the rubjelt
ito the harfh of Parliamentary Reform, to fay--.N Will y.O unit'
in employed your Louie while the butricane is raging P' Finch.
who had dif• he contended, was the obis* of the propelled alters-
vice—of this tion in the military fyllem, an ohje& that 'night be

rout confequence.
LN intended to vote for the-re-
the Bill WAS introduced. it wle
Id provide an efficient force both
fable fervice. Subfequent
I !hewn, hat the obje& to be
o obtained. The Noble ,lloy4
n a former evening Rasa, '_____that
m to the force. 'Lich, on the ta
rued to a67.0n0." The fee, how-
Noble Lord had mil dated the
that day, from the retina. a-
. It was true that a famil
but that arofe from theadstitioa.
inn of between 5 and 6000tnep,
otinent. Mr. Hawthorn here mi-
ry of flatements refperffing the
at differeut periods during thp
tasking comparifons every fit
rte. from them that no salmi in-
tact". but that, on the contorY.
itely failed. and iellead q_Pra-
tt railed in England and Wake.
re than one-feveads of the unit-
I: The de6cienccs in the Army
e Militia, in Auguft lei. was
that the amount of the farm on
74. 1,21181459 ; on the tit of
'g the benefit, as it was called, of
sere a ivally erne 572,667. It
be Peen, that the force yes then .
o when the. late Adminifiration
The Hon. Gentleman then M-
I ati the table. containing the cot_
otd Hawkelbury on the fubjea rat
es. he contended, would evidently
its means had been retorted to ilor
at indeed of Feria Officers being
nd high bounties were Galled in aid
!icing the two bounties.nernely fee
rd fervice, together,a few men 144..
r that loch means tended to thie
g ferrite, and was contrary to the
The Noble Lord in hiefettert
nants of Counties, dated the t fins
tfi of December, reconimands tb
paeilh officers to purchate agents?
cations mull neceffiarily interfere.
fervice. Was not that knOwn to
the bill paged, sod indeed had it
in the Houle ? It was elicit*,
office and oppreffion was a Ofill.
ie referred to f 1 letters from
in illufiration of the potation, mid
afure of giving bounties. He read
e letters of a Captain Browner:-
mum, who propofed to give three
rchwardens, as a fee for procuring
alto difiributed hand bills. kiting
teal bounty of at guineas to lads
or men under as, of five
.feet two
to would volunteer for the fecond
id regiment, could be given for li-
ve years,. or during the war. He