Star.
London, England, 1807-08-04 00:00:00

Lord W. RUSSELL lamented, that at the time
in which, above all things unanimity was important,
it fhnuld be thought neceffary to r-fort to thole vio-
lent meafures from %illicit the dilafrettion of the peo-
ple of Ireland had originated. It was empl,yed as
an excufe for them that France was more powerful,
and that in confequence the French party in I eland
was mere confident ; but the fame expedients were
retired to when France was in a condition rf com-
parative imbecility. lie would he glad to leitn how
far it was intended to proceed in this fpirit, and if it
were for ever to he forgotten that v'ercion was the
parent of difaffeelion ? Was Ireland conft intly to be
reduced to the ghte of dependance by which a con-
quered country was difgraced ? He had heard the
Right Hon. Mover talk of conceffiiins to the Irina
doting the prefent reign, and he was ferry to be
obliged to er,qtrire what they were? True it was,
tat the At Uni in was pafred, but none of the
pralines had been fulfilled, t which a Noble Lord
(CaltLreagh) oppofite to him was the organ, and
in the confi knee of Melt that Union had been Os-
t tined He hoped thc fi'mfe would concur in the
svoti,m of hi, Right Hon. Fe iend, equally from a re-
gard to the security el the lifter Wand, and of our
own.

Mr. LOCKHART exprtMd furprife, that the
Right Hon. Gentleman who had brought forward
!his .n( ti,m, had reprefented the Acts of a Legifla
tore, that was dittitignilheil by Cofmopolitan benefi-
cence, as the es il of which Ireland had to c..mplain.
So tar loom being a fulpenfion of the Conditwion,
t etc eVis were but the exeicife of it. To call forth
the p wets given by the Conflitutinn for the protec
ti .n of the peaceable and loyal fuhjefts, was but to
put the C nititution in force. He was happy that
the exa:nple of the Right Hon. Gentleman had not
been followed by the other Right Hon. Gentleman
who fpuke from the fame tench, and had pointed out
certain meafures for the relief of Ireland. As to the
meafure refpeCting education, he entirely agreed with
.hat Hon. Gen leman ; and as to a compfition for
tytlaes, if that fbould be necArit y, he Rioted not op.
pole it, provided that comp, fricn were to be pro
greflive with the times, and as well fecured as tithes
ate in this country to the clergy. As to the queflion
oh emancipation, his difficulty was, that the princi-
ples of the reliAion would in the event of the Catho-
lics getting into power be dangerous to the Protef
taut afcendancy. He thought it infinitely better that
the Government [liquid be strong and able to com•
mand opinions, before it Should concede boons, and
he hoped that the Government would at ail times be
competent to infure the obedience of the people. He
lb uld vote againkthe motion, becaufe it implied a
dereliCtinn of duty on their parts, and a cenfure upon
the afts of the Legiflature, the neceffity for which
bad been admitted on all hands.

Mr. HERBERT 'obterved, that it was by the
adoption of such plans as had been fuggened by the
Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Grattan), that the pco
pie of Ireland were to be gained over. He could nor
tupport the motion of the Right Hon. Gentleman
oppofite, in its prefent fhape ; but, if he would con-
tent to leave out all after the word " Sefflon," he
fbould then vote fur the motion. '

Mr. SHERIDAN rnfe to exprefs his readinefs to
comply with the fuggefiinn of the Hon. Member, a
readinefs which he had befcre intimated in the fpeech
which preceded his motion.
The SPEAKER acquainted the Hon. Member,
that no amendment could be made on the original
motion after the previous queßion had been once
mn•ed.

Mr. SHERIDAN replied, that he prefumed the
Right Hon. Gentleman would withdraw the Pre•
vioui
Mr. 141,ISKISSON remarked acrofs the table, that
the oppartnnity was gone by.
Mr. SHERIDAN refumed, that Ite never in his
life raw a quellion more grofily milapprehended.—
mua Gentlemen were ready to admit that the former
past of the motion was proper; and what followed
the word " Seffion,' which was deemed fo ohjeetion-
able ?. It was this, " and.the performaoce of which
woul.l be a violation of the rights of the people of
Ireland, and a fubverfion of the principles of our
free Contlitution." What could be the objection to
thefe terms, and the fentiment they conveyed ? Was
not the main argument for the introduelion of thole
lawi, that they thould be temporary ; and was not
this the leading object in thefe expreirions, without
imputing any thing dircreditahle to the meafures ?
They were limited to three years, obvioufll tecaufe
their permanence would be a violation of the Confti-
lotion, as flared in the concluding wnids. The Hon.
Gentleman below himleemed to have !incited to the
opening fpeech with great anxiety ; he carnal',
willed he had littered with equal attention, and that
the Hon. Gentleman's anxiety had not dellroyed his
capacity for attention. All he (Mr. Sheridan) had
raid, was, that the Mts. paired furpended the Confti-
tution with regard to Ireland. He was not to be
expelled to produce proofs f what was fo palpable ;
if tallimony was required, it was incumbent on Mi.
niliers to produce it in illutiration of thole grievances
by which thefe tiatutes could alone be jullified. To
proceed other wife would wholly reverie the natural'
order of things. Had the Gen•lemen on the other
fide Rated any fuch evidence, allowing even for the ,
fake of argument, that there were the proper reme- '
dies for thofe grievance? ? The Houle had refuted to
take there aets into its annual review, and all he
fought was, that this pledge Would be given, that the
rubjeet would be reconfidered next feffion. It was
laid that we were firft to make the Irifh obedient,
and then confer boons ; that was, that we were to
excite their tears, as preparatory for their love; but
this was not the happieft way of attraeling the affec-
tions of mankind. Then when he (Mr. Sheridan)
talked of the awkward manner in which the favours
of this country were conferred on Ireland, the Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. Lockhart) raid he was " taken
aback." He (Mr. Sheridan) not having had the
advantage of a naval education, did not underftand
lea phrales ; but he thought he could comprehend
this, that obligations might be fo bellowed, as to
leave no imprefilons of gratitude. He did moil ear-
neltly deprecate the folly of waiting for that period
to make ceflions, when it could trot be done with a
good grace, and yet when you could not dare to
withhold them. He had r whirl to reply to the
eulagy oldie Honourable Gentleman (Mr Lockhart),
on Bikini Initiation. He ouot indeed to be fi!ent
upon it. as the Honourable Gentleman had employed
felquipedalian term (alluding to the word 1:of

thofroi tan) With which lie Wai is igruirani as of ifit
marine [)!trare of the Honourable oaut.:min ; but
whatever rnigl.t be the occult Meaniug rrftl itt
learned expre:7. n, he (Mr. Sheridan) was confi:
dent that any encomium would he wholly ialapplica.
Me as tar as Britiflt legiflati to could be explained by
its enaftments, with rea„ard to Ireland. A Right
Honourable F,ierd of his (Mr. G, rtta I) Lad Rated,
that the moll fori,us grievances ':f the Nth odgi -
oared in the tvthes. He (Mr Sheridan) (lid not pro.
furne to know how far the country was op pt dr.:A from
this caufe ; but if the Heart of Stecl Boys. the Whhe
B tys, the Threfhers, and others slit 4ffs.-9ed, were is
arms on that accoant, at l-all the ditcontetus of
Ttr-
land were to be attributed to fume other motive than
the favourite one of the French t.6tion. A Ria3-1
Honourable Friend of his bad aficed whether a gtr
fun would find fault with a beau. v mrrely becatife
flu: had a !Ample ti;aar. her face ? a quediou Come
gallantry. Ceirainly no liilhman w add. But be
would fay—" My dear beauty, tin' a patch noon the
plmple,but don't rut a mafk on all your (ace." There
might he a dark tprit in the country, but du not put
a maflc on the whole liberties of Irelani. An,ther
Hon. Geraltman held out a d.-aftiiite to which he
himfelf could not agree. He (Mr. Lockhart) was
for deprising Irelaid of the bleffings of the Biitifh
Conllitution until after they had gone thy., sigh the
hour of trial, and had made all the great exertions
neceffary in the impending cries.

" Et proptor virzrn vita perdere cantos
But he (Mr. Sheridan) was not defiroas of making
experiments on their valour and their loyalty. He
was fur encouraging and animating them in the
caufe, by making them know and feel their advan-
tages, and teaching them to regard their connetlion
wi:h Great Britain as their lecurity and their hap-
pines. He was not for waiting till their virtue
and courage had been difplayed by their achieve-
ments in the field, in order to give them after-
wards wl:at he thought were prelimioary tights.—
He &fired to knew whin the Colo 'lie, of I ,e 1 end
htd fhewn themfelves a brave and diairguifhd
race. He knew th:tt we mutt troll, in cafe of dan-
ger, to a Catholic Let him be (hewn that
he was wrong, not by affertions, but by lath, or he
muff Rill c ,nfider the Catholics of Ireland cqn..lly
Inyal and zeal us and ready to fhed their blood in
their country's defence, with the other parts of the
cotasmurity. With refped to what he had laid con•
cerning the Bill brought in and wi hdra wn by the late
Minillers, and which had been alluded to in the de
bate, he mutt obllrve that he did not bold that Bill
cheap but th-ugh he conceived its objeEl, he Rill
th,:ught it was beginning at the wrong end, and that
the lower claffis were the fir ft whom we thnold bee in
with and take that as a fubfequent meafure of courfe.
He eves thought that the adoption of that Bill, unlefs
accompanied wi h fomething of this kiud, could in o
tend to fe the lowerclaffesgreatly. It might, arnong
them,create jealouly, andincline them to think that the
gentry had got all they wanted, and that reformation,
as it concerned them, was not to go hand in hand v. ith
the amelioration of the higher orders. The fpecific
• objeft of that Buil, however, he highly approved of.
That Bill went to take away all impediments in the
way of promotion from brave and meritorious
officers, to whore advancement and reward a limit
was now afligned of the moll revolting nature, and
who found themfelves molt unjuilly, jolt as they had
arrived at a fituation by their atchievements that dc.
ferved promotion and honour, in the fame propor-
tion compelled to fuhmit to privation and degrada•
tion. Which was the belt mode, in this preffiog
of proceedirg, with the people t f lielaral was the
queflion at ilfue. Ta difarm them, to tell them we
[hall wait to fee their behaviour in the time of trial,
to witnefs the gteatnefs of their efforts ? No! He
would encourage and animate them by folid benefits
and privileges. He would even fend them againft
the enemy with their takes, and the c.,nflitution muf-
fled round their b. dies for their armour. and we
Ihould find them ready to lofe the lali drop of their
blood in their valiant efforts in our defence He muff
now recur to what he fet out with. He was confi-
dent that the u:mofl benefit would refult to the Em-
pire at large—but at any rate the manifellation of a
difpufitiun by that Huufe to acknowledge the impor-
tance of the lubjed, and the expreffir:n of an in ention
to enter ferinully into it, would be a pacifier, and
`muff affifi in procuring a fenfe of attachment and
obedience. When King Charles the Fit applied to
Mr. Selden, and cm:inked of him what was, in his
opinion, the bell remedy for rebehian, what was Mr.
Selden's anfwer ? 4. Seek for and remove the caufe."
This advice he muff apply to the Bate of Ireland.
Mr. GRATTAN and Mr. SHE RIDA N mutually
explained.

Mr. FULLER thought that the real fituation of
Leland required examination by Come perfons there
properly qualified, loch as members of the Royal
Intlitution—(a laugh)—or the S'ciety of Arts, and
other perfons well qualified. He hoped Parliament
would do fomc•hing to render the Union between
the two countries not nominal but real.

M• .COCH RA NE JOHNSTONE ffint.ld vote for
the motion. If Ntli..ment fhould negleel the Rate
of Ireland, it-would bring itfelt into ditrepute.
The queflion being put, the Houle divided on Mr.
Sheridan's motion—Ayes 33—Noes 76—Majority
againft it 43.
When the Gallery was again opened, we found Mr.
WINDHAM on his legs, making force obfcrvations
fpeeing the reverel refolution, he in,ended to move
relative to the .Krmy Returns, at different period..
After fettle convet ration with Lord Caitleredgh, who
had fimilar refolutions to move, it was agreed, on
the Speakeros fuggiflion, that the Noble Lord fhould
move an adjournment of one week on each of Mr.
Windham's refolutinns, which was agreed to and done
accordingly, Mr. W.'s objetl beins merely the enter.
ing t,t- his refolutions on the J,urnalc, after which
Lord Caftlereagh's refolutions were read, agreed to,
and entered.

VOLT/WT*SEIM
Sir THOMAS TURTON was happy to find that the difcipline
nV ae Voluntet.r. was to be improved, and wjlhed to give his Ma-
Minifters an opportunity of Rating their it t. ntions on that
bead, as well as tivith refpedt to the Training Bill, which he looked
upon as neeeffary to beep up the Volunt •t•rt.
I ord CASTLEREAGH declarea, that every attention wenald
be paid to the Volunteers in order to improve their difcipiine,
and lame a full attendance upon ;wale As to tie Training Bill.
flepa had been taken to coned the lifts, and in an early part of
next Seth n a no afure would he breuet 'orwar,t. founded upon
it, f r the eftablifhment of a 10c.,1 Militia in the different counties.
Several Military Returns acre or tered, on the ryn•ion of Lord
CAS I LEREAGH. and feveral prefented by the SECRET ARY
at WAR, which were ordered to be printed. Adjourned at la.