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London, England, 1824-03-13 00:00:00

PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS.

HOUSE OF LORDS, MARCH 12.
This morning the Loan Duerr sat for the furtherance of Ap-
peals, when" Mathie a. Muir," from the Court of Session. was a!-
firmed with Xioo costs.
" M'Call and Co. v. Black and Co." from the same Court, was
next called on,when Mr. Wmtaxn and Mr. fluestaxast were heard '
for the appellants, and Mn. SHATHSI.L and Mr. Seeman for the re-
rpopdencs, and afterwards Mr. WARREN in reply.—Judgment de-
ferred.—At a quarter to five o'clock the Lona Cumscessott carne
into the House.
The Bishop of EXETER presented a Petition from the bin-
bitants of the City of Exeter, praying for a Repeal of the 'Duty on
Coals carried coastwise, which was laid upon the table.
Lord G. &weasel., Mr. WILLIAMS, Sir JAMES GRAHAM, and
others, tram the House of. Commons. brought up some Road Bills,
which were afterwards read a first time.
Mr. Aromas, from the Treasury, delivered at the bar Customs
Accounts of all Exports from Ireland, also Papers respecting Port
Patrick 11 arhour. also the Annual Accounts of.the Public Income,
and of Arrears and Balance!, pursuant to the Act of Parliament,
and tinder the orders of this House.
The Earl of BELMOR F. presented a Petition from the Free-'
Mas Ons of the County of Tyrone, in Ireland, who prayed to be ex-
enipted from the operation of the Act for the Suppression of Secret
Societies in Ireland. and hoping to he placed in all respects on an
equsal footing with their Brethren of England.
The 31arquie of ill/ WNW IRE (on presenting a Petition from
the inhabitants of Weila near the Sea, fur the gradual abolition of
Colonial Slavery, in which prayer he concurred with his entire
mind) said, that he wished to take this opportunity to bring before
their Lordships a subject at all time.. interesting as connected with
Ireland, a country in whose welfare he assented some interest, and
whose situation could not ton often be brought before the House,
as in proportion to the knowledge of that country...would be the be-
nefits it received. The subject he wished now to notice was au in-
tended new Survey of Irelandoehich he understood was proposed
vebe made under the inspection of the Noble t)uke at the head of
the Ordnance, an appaintment in which, having great property in
that country, he (the Marquis of Downsitire) was willing to concur.
But he apprehended, and this was the topic on which he had risen,
that a mere trigonometrical weep, which had sufficed for England
and Wales, would never go far enough for Ireland; where be be-
lieved an admeasurentent of parishes and town-laaas must be ob-
tairird. Ireland in those respects was different to other parts; and
unless the write), were undertaken and completed by persons of
strict Integrity, it never would answer the ends proposed by Go-
vernment. The present could never be made by the key, the mode
of estimating land upwards of one -hundred years ago; since there
had alriady been a great march of improvement in Ireland, and
lands originally ofno value, now become rich, were, not taxed at
all, while other lands, although decayed, were rated at their ante-
cedent worth. Ile trisiteel, at all events, that the survey should be
entirely made by .peraons from this country, who had no partiali-
ties to Mislead them, nor prejudices to contend with, but who would
therefore be most likely to make a faithful estimate.
Lord CA urnorti.F. presented a Petition from the Port and
Town of lhwer fur the abolition of Slavery in the Colonies ; and
The Earl of SHAFTESItUItI: presented Petitions to the same
effect from. Poole and Kendal.
The South American Postage Bill was real a third time and
passed; and the House adjourned till Monday n6it.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
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Several Accounts and other Papers were presented from-the dif-
ferent Public. Offices, and ordered to lie on the table-
A Petition was presented complaining that the Cavan Election
had been an undue otee.—Ordered for consideration an April 23.
• Mr. LI NDSA I presented a Petition front the Furfarshire Cham-
ber of Commerce, on the subject of the Tay Salmon Fishery Bill.
Sir ILFERGUSON presentll/41 a Petition from William Dal-
eels's. Esq. of Seotscraig, in the County of Fife, praying to be beard
by Counsel and Agent against that Bill.—Agreed to.
Mr. BIRCH presented a Petition from the Tanners, Curriers,
Sadler*, lee. of the Town of Nottingham, against the Bill for revs-
lathtg the Duty on Hides and Tan Skins. •
Lord STANLRY presented a like Petition from the Dealers in
Leather of Preston and Lancaster. Both ordered to lie on the table.
Sir WAXMAN presented a Petition from the Corporation of
the Town of Hertford against Negro Slavery in the British Colonies.
Lord STANLEY presented a similar Petition front liotsham,
matter.
A similar Petition was presented by Lord Lowman from Hil-
lingford, Westmoreland.
A similar Petition was presented from Inhabitants in Leicester.'
A Petition to the same effect was presented by Mr. Ald. Snarl,
from the Aldernien and purgesies of St. Alban's.
A similar Petition was presented (rum Wells, in Norfolk.—All
these Petitions were ordered to lie ou the table.
Lord STANLEY plesented Petition from the Worsted Ma.
nufaiturers of Kendal, against the Repeal of the Wool Duty.—
Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. LA W.LEY presented a Petition from the licensed Victual-
lers of Irving, against the i)uty on Excise Licenses.
In answer to a question front Mr. Brat: t..
The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER said, that the
only answer he could give at present was, that he flattered hiM-
self he:should be able to propose something to the house regarding
that Duty—Petltiou ordered to be printed.
Mr. S Y K ES presented a Petition front the Boot and Shoe-makers
of Kingston-upon-Hull, praying for the Repeal of the Combina-
tion Aefs.-
Similar. Petitions were presented by Mr. Ilene, from 59$
1.1-
dies' Boot and Shoemakers of Lnudou and its vicinity ; from the
Boot and Shoemakers of the Borough of Southwark ; by Mr.
Nehhiiscfrom certain inhabitants of Eteter ; by Sir R. Wissoo,
(rum the Boot and Shoemakers of the City of London ; by Mr.
Pstriatz;froM the Boot and Shoemakers of Reading ; by Mr. Goer
Ilettese, from the Boot jnd Shoemakers of Brighton; all of which
writ ordered to be referred to the Anisans Committee.
Mr. BENETT (of Wiltshire) presetned a Petition from certain
ipbabitants of the County of Wilts, praying for the abolition of
Negro Slavery in the West Duties.
'Three similar Petitions were presented by Mr. Setts from cer-
tain district, in the County of York—from Ross, in the County of
I lereford ; by Sir J. Nett/ewer, front the City of Waterford; by
Sir W. Coenutve, front the Inhabitants of Plymouth and its Mei- '
pity; two Petitions, by Sir .1. WMITIESLEV ; by Mr. CAVE/IMM,
front the Inhabitants of Derbyes-The l'etitions were severally or-
dered to be !glided.
BIRCH presented a Petition from the Silk Manufacturers
of the Town of Nottingham. praying a repeal of the Silk Duties.
Sir T. LETHBRIDGE presented a Petition front the Inhabi-
tants of Crossby, in the county of Suffolk, praying for a repeal of
..all the Milked 'farts—(Hear, hear.)
These Petitions were ordered to be printed.
Sir-IL r ARNE I.Lpresented a Petition from certain Merchants,
Bankers. and others in Ireland, praying for au alteration in the
Diiikrupt lAvra, as applied to Bankers.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the subject
was one deserving the particular attention of Parliament.
After a few words front Sir Amu NEw roar. the Petition was or-
dered to be printed.
• Mr. HUSK ISSON presented a Petition from dee Merchants,
Trasitga. and other Inhabitants of Liverpool, praying for an altera-
tion hi the Ireolvent Debtor,' Act.
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Mr. Secretary PEEL presented a Petition front the Cotton Spin-
ners of Belfast, in Ireland, praying for a repc:il of the Coal Duties.
Mr 'HUSK ISSON said. his Right Hon. Friend the Secretary
Oar Friren Affairs had given notice of a Motion-relative to our Co-
Itinies in -the West Indies, for Tuesday next, the 16th inst. He
(Mr.• filtskiSson) now gave notice, in the name of that Right Hon.
Gentleman, that he (Mr. Canning) *mild on the sante occasion
multi for Jtave to bring in a Mil to declare the Slave Trade, carried
on by any of his Majesty's Subjects, piracy—(hear, hear).
Ali. WESTERN moved for Returns of the Number of Persons
Amesied for the Window and House Tax in England and Wales
dUring the last year.—Ordered.
'Llard A. HAMILTON. seeing the Bight Hcn. Gentleman (the
Chauellur of the Exchequer) in his place. wished to ask what
course that Right Hon. Gentleman meant to pursue respecting the
proposed reduction of Stamp Duties?
The VHANCELLOIt of the EXCHEQI7IIf said; the plan he
bad in contemplation to propose was of :.se simplest nature possi-
ble—namely, to repeal certain Stamp Duties on law proceedings in
Englasid and Ireland. His proposition would be simply in the Com-
miore, that certain duties Teethed in a schedule which he would
present, should bediecontinued after a certain time.
Sir T. I Oti E presented a Petition trout the Silk 'Ala-
notaeferers of Sheetens Mallet against. the Repeal of the Duties on
the Importation ul Foreign Silk, and took that oppostunity to ask
if the Right Hun. Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Excite-ie.:3)
had made up his mind in whaularge omits warehouses should he
opsited for the teceptrun 01 silks preparatory to the remission of
duty thereon?
TheU IIA NCELLOR et the EXCIIEQU ER said that Imtruc-
tiolia bad bunt issued that proper officers should superintend the Liu.
*loess in all the sea ports where such operations were likely to oc-
Pal ; and that isactrs should be ICI/1 to all town/ whores °r in the

neighbourhood of which, silk manufactures were carried on, for a
similar purpose.
Nr. 'ELMO': wished to know, was amk is a fixed state to come
withil`the meaning of the Right Hon. GrentleMan I proposed regu-
lation on that article?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIEQUAR said certainly.—
Fie conceived that silk In that state must be considered as manufac-
tured silk.—The Petition was ordered to be printed.
Mr. WODEHOUSE presented a Petition from the parish of
Walpole, in Norfolk, for a repeal of the Duty on Coals.
Petitions for the regulation of the Salmon Fishery in Scotland
were presented by Mr. LINDSAY, from the Provost and Magistrates
of the Royal Burgh of Forfar; by Mr. AIDDCRONISY, from the
Provost and Magistrates of the Royal Burgh of the county of Ilad-
dington.—These Petitions were severally ordered to be printed.
Mr. HUME intended to have put a question to the Noble Secre-
tary at War, had he seen him in his place, respecting the pay stopped
front soldiers suffering under the sentence of Courts Martial; be
should, however, move fora return of the number of men (soldiers)
who have been confined, belonging to the let Regiment of Guards,
for a certain period ; also a return of the income and expenditure of
what wu termed the Stock Purse in that Regimem—Ordered.
Mr. DENNISON presented Petitions from the Licensed Vic-
tuallers of two Districts in the County of Surrey.
Mr. S. WORT LEY presented a Petition from the Inhabitants
of Howden, in the County of York, praying for the repeal of the
Duty on Houses and IVindowe; also a Petition front the Inhabi-
tants of Iluddersfield, In the same County, praying that the House
would take into consideration the Game Laws.—These Petitions
were severally ordered to be printed.

REDUCTION OF TAXES.
Mr. HOBHOUSE presented a Petition from certain
inhabitants of London and Westminster, praying for the
remission of Taxes. The Petition, said the Honourable
Member, contains a view of the Revenue of the coun-
try, and strews, from the wasteful and improvident ex-
penditure, that it can suffer a great reduction of taxa-
tion. It alluded to the five millions appropriated for
the' Sinking Tund—a fund which he had taken every
opportunity of strewing was fallacious, and would be
ultimately ruinous. It ought properly to be denomi-
nated a fund for sinking the spirits and the property of
the people of this country. Nothing seemed clearer to
him, and to many other Honourable Members who sat
in the House, than that the money which was levied for
this fund ought rather to remain in the pockets of the
People; for, if war came, they would be better prepared
for supporting the burthens which the exigencies of the
State might require. The Petition also drew the atten-
tion a the House to that important part of the public
expenditure, namely, the expense of governing Ireland,'
which cost Great Britain . four millions sterling more
than that country actually produced to the Revenue.
It was lamentable to think that this was.the condition of
Ireland, a country possessing such resources in climate'
and in soil, and in the spirit and character of its people.
It became then a duty to consider whether some remedy
could not he proposed for this great national grievance.
The Petitioners complained that the money which was
extorted in taws from Great Britain was destined to
misgovern Ireland. It was confessed by all parties, e!(
whatever political opinions, that that country so far from
being a source of wealth, was a source of great misery).
of jealousy, and of suspicion. A great number of pet.
sons, he knew, thought these did not spring from there..
sent Governtnent ; but they allowed that this wretched-
ness had been created by some Government or other.—
It was impossible that a people 'could continue in a
state of misery from century to century unless the Go-
vernment had been had. The contrary would be a
moral phenomenon which had never been witnessed.
The latter history of the country spewed that all the
promises of amelioration had proved deceitful. Whet,
Lord Fitzwilliam was at the head of affairs there was,
indeed, a prospect of halcyon days; but he was recalled.
During the administration of Lord Cornwallis, separa-
ZiOn and disunion among the people took place. To
come to more. recent times, his Majesty was. gracieusly
pleased in hit Speech from the. Throne in 1820, to re.
commend the adoption of measures which would craw.'
quillise the country, but to this day no means had been
taken to put an end to its calamities. He sincerely
hoped that his Majesty's Government would think of
adopting a new system in that unhappy country.
Mr. ROBERTSON thought that if the prayer of the
Petition were granted, the best interests of the country
would be sacrificed. No time seemed better fitted than
the present for reducing the National Debt, through thej
medium of the Sinking Fund. That fund had been'
efficient ; it had reduced interest to its present low tare,
and had excited an active spit it throughout the country
—( Heer, from Mr. Hume).
Mr. HUME did not think there was one pound of
real Sinking Fund : it was all a delusion throughout—(Ai
laugh).—lf die Honourable Gentleman wished to te
duce the National Debt, let him attend to his (Mr.'
Flume's) plan of first reducing the public expenditure.
That part of the Petition which related to the extortion
of money from Great Britain to govern Ireland merited
attention. He would ask the Honourable Member (Mr.
Robertson) if in the course of his travels he had seen
any country—even the kingdoms of China or Japan—
which had a worse Government than Ireland, making
allowance for the difference of civilization? There was
one item in the Irish Estimite which he could not pass
by—it was a charge of 1,933,000/. for the Ordnance
Establishment, while in 1,927,500,000! was sufficient for
the whole Army Establishment. The cause of this in-
created expenditure was owing to the great military
establishn.ent in that country, and hence proceeded the
cause of the misrule.

Mr. J. SMITH thought that the large sum which
was expended for Ireland was a sufficient 'reason for in
quiring into the state of the Government in that coun-
try. He stated his sincere belief and opinion, that. un-'
less some steps were taken by the House in the Catholic
question, three or four millions of money must still be
expended in preserving tranquillity.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, that the wantof reve-
nue iu Ireland arose from the perfect inability of the
people to pay taxes; and that inability was the result Of
the bad government of the country. That unhappy con-
dition had pot arisen within these few years: it grew
out of a series of acts by the Government of this coun-
try; and he was fully sensible that peace and happiness
would never prevail unless the confusion 'of religious
opinions was put an end to.
After a few words from Mr. Ho:mouse, the Petition
was laid on the table, and ordered to be printed.
LINEN BOUNTIES.

The LORD ADVOCATE of SCOTLAND pre-
seined a Petition from the Provost and Magistrates of
St. Andrew's, against the repeal of the Bounties on
Linen.—Ordered to be printed.
Colonel TRENCH rose to move for returns con-
nected %Nadi the Linen Trade of Ireland, for the purpose
ut imploring of the,l/ight Honourable Gvntlennut (the
Chancellor of the Exchequer) to postpone his proposed
measuse for the reduction of the Linea Bounties.
_He
trusted the Peitions of the peueleon that subject would,
be attended to by the House; it was in las power to
prove that nothing could be better ialculaied to take
the people out of the lauds of -their .own demagogues,
than the cousideration which the House so readily 54"

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to theretitioni of even the humblest individual—an
effect.of ihe most desirable and important. nature, and •
one whicli therefore amply compensated for the addi-
tional troullle it gave to the House—(Hear, hear). The
Honourable Gentleman concluded by moving that there
be laid before the House Returns of the weekly sales of
Linen in the different markets in the Provinces of Ulster
and Connaught, in Ireland, for the last ten-years, with
the prices per yard.
Mr. BROWNLOW seconded the motion.
Mr. MABERLY pressed the consideration of this
subject on the Right Honourable Gentleman (the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer). He had4received several com-
munications from Ireland, which slated that, inconse-
qttence of the expectation that. the entire of the bounty
cn coarse linen was about to be discontinued, 40,000,
persons in that countryhad.been thrown-out of employ-
ment. Those people had not received the intimation of
the Right Honourable Gentleman's intention that the
bounty on coarse linens should be only partially discon-
tinued in the same proportion as that on linens of the
finer qualities. The Honourable Member then pro-
ceeded to condemn, as inconsider ate, the announced in-
tention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer to repeal
the bounties on coarse linens altogether It was noto-
rious that foreign flax, on importation into Ireland, paid
a duty of S 6 per tent. so that in fact, in many instances,
that which was c.ailed a bounty was only a drawback.
The CHANCELLOR of the .EXCHEQUER was
unprepared for that discussion. The Honourable Mem-
ber forgot that the measure proposed could only be
effected•by an 'Air. of Parliament, and which had not
yet been introduced into that House. In the Committee,
abundant opportunity would occur to propose any alte-
rations that Gentleman might deem advisable.
The Resolution was then agreed to, as was a motion
for a return of the nuneber.of persons imprisoned, and
of the number of persons convicted under the Insurrec-
tion Act in Ireland, describing the nature of. the se-
veral offences. .

ANNUAL DUTIES.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
that the House. should resolve itself into a Committee
on the Annual )N16E51411. .
V r. ROBERTSON hoped that HonourableGentlemen
would not. lure the House, as was the custom on the in-
troduction of-that very important description of business.
Mr. GREY BENNET complained of the quantity of
business accumulated for that evening—referring part',
coarly,(6.the traribus denominations of Estimates to be
moved in ihe Committee of Supply.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER de-
fended the practice or giving notice of the intention to
more the Estimates in the Committee of Supply. He
Wished, however, on that evening, to proceed in the first
nstance with the on the Annual Duties, which
, *Of importance, as the present Act would expire on
e 24th March inst. He did not think they would oc-
Xupy much time ; and after they were disposed of it was
his intention to move that the House should resolve itself
into a Committee of Supply, in which, if possible, his
;Hon. Friend proposed to bring forward_ the grant to the
British Mn'eum, and other miscellaneous votes.
Mr. HUME said it was utterly impossible for Hon.
Members to come prepared to meet and discuss such a
variety of business as was set down for that evening.—
How could Honourable Gentlemen be able to look into
!the items of so many classes of Estimates? He had him-
self brought down five or six- bundles of papers to meet
khe business of that evening—(A Laugh). He hoped the
'Honourable Gentleman would take the miscellaneous
!Estimates in the first instance.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
'that as far as lie was concerned, it was a matter of perfect
4ndifference to him which vote should be first proposed;
and if the HonoUrable Gentleman would say. to which
:of his five bundles of paper he wished reference should+
be first made, he should be happy to accommodate him.
After a short conversation between Mr. PEEL and Sir
Joint NEwronr, the House.went into a Cotnnaittee on
the Annual Duties. Bill. ,
t Colonel DAY/ES said, it was his intention to move
a clause which; h'hoped, would very considerably add
to the resources of the country, though it would ori-
ginate in a repeal of part of the Duties on Foreign Spi-
rits. The present system of collecting and enforcing
the Duty on Foreign Spirits was fraught with violence,
fraud, and perjury, and was a disgrace to any financial.
Osten). It was a fact, that. the smuggling on the south
Xuast of England was to be attributed to the high du-
ies now imposed on foreign spirits, and not to a wish to
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introduce the more valuable articles of foreign manu-
acuire. Ile must remark to the House, that the great
inducement held out, by our high duties, to smuggling
was such, that even the petty officers and sailors en-
gaged in the Preventive Service were induced too'
often to go halves with the smuggler in his speculation.
That the Revenue had declined since the year 1806,
when the duties were increased on brandy and hollands,
would be obvious, from a reference to the peiiods of
successive increase of duty per gallon, through each
stage in which the amount of duty decreased. The.
same consequence had followed with respect to tea and
other prohibited articles. He would suggest to the
Eight Honourable Gentleman (the Chancellor of the,
Excl:equer) that this country should return us the rate of
duties m some one past year, for instance 1806, when the
duty on foreign' spirits was only 12s. 6d. In that year,
too, the erpense-of the collection of the Revenue was
so much lower, that he was encouraged to expect that a
return to the former mode of collecting the duties would
create a saving in this department alone of 956,8301.
annually. It was absurd to talk of putting an end"
to smuggling by. this high rate of duty, aided by the
vigilance of the,Preveutive Service. - Some of the first
persons in the country, desirous of possessing these ar-
ticles, so far from being deterred by the laws from
smuggling; were foremost in their illegal attempts to
obtain illicit possession of prohibited articles of luxury
by means of smuggling. With a view to lessen the in-
ducements to smuggling he should, as a. preparatory
measure to a still greater reduction of duty hereafter,
now move a resolution, that the duty on foreign spirits
should for the present be reduced 1 s. 10d. per gallon.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER consi-
dered the present mode of proceeding adopted by the
Honourable Member was not that which would tend
most elFectually to promote his own object. The Billl
called the Annual • Duties Bill, was a Bill to continue
for another year certain duties which, without it, would
expire on the 25th March. It was merely the duty of
the Committee now to determine whether this ditty
should continue, and it would be much more conducive
to the object he Had in view to move for such a reduc-
tion of duty on the permanent duties. This duty in ef-
fect was a war duty ; but, owing to the necessities of the
State, had been by repeated Acts of Parliament conti-
stied year after year. ' The date of its original enact-
ment was in the year 1801. Now, in his mind*, the sim-

pest way for the honourable Niernber to proceed would
have been to move a reduction of so much of the per-
manent duties as he considered necessary to effect his
'object ; for if not taker. off the permanent duty it would
leave the subject to be discussed over ansi over againevery Session. He would for the present say a word or
two on the subject of these duties. He would not deny
that the duties on foreign spirjts were very high,
.4tAt.helt
could not but remartt that the present las eselas fit .Cp.
.pertunity to effect their reduction, IfiheseilatiejA.ere
reduced,,a proportionate reduction must injustice take
place on the duties on spirits distilled at home; and it
Svc uld be imprudent to attempt any such reduction be,
foie the House knew what was likely. to be the effect of
the reduction of the. duty already granted. last year,
It would therefore be highly injudicious as. things stood
to proceed off hand to remove a part of either duties;
in his opinion. In a moral point of view there cer-
tainly could be no objection to impose. a. restraint on
the use of all ardent spirit. by. a. high duty upon it.
It was argued that the loss on the part of the duty so
reduced would be more than counterbalapeed by the
greater qtrantiiy of foreign spirits consumed. The in-
ducement of a reduction of Is. IGO, a gallon;.he, con-
fessed, appeared to him too trivial to warrant art infer-
ence that many more perscins would use foreign spirits
than used them now ; nor would such a ti iffing rehic-
tion, in fact, ever be allowed to reach the con-ureer, but
only be the means of putting the I s. 101). into e e pocket
of the spirit-merchant. Mu& less would it be sufficiently
operative to prevent smuggling to any perceptible ex-
tent. Had the Honourable Member's motion been cal-
culated to :educe the duty, on tobacco, it might pnssi-
biy have been more acceptable to the House, became
that was an article of luxury chiefly it, use amongst the
poor. But even with respect to similes duty it would
Certainly be imprudent lightly to make any alteration,
considering the reductions on. jesetion which hod and
,iweie about to take place. On the whole he 'Must cp.
dose the motion, because he dal not. think the j.resent
was a fit opportunity for its agitation, nor was this sub-
ject of taxation one which so eminently challenged the
attention of the
.House.
Mr. HUME observed, that though the enactments of
last year had decreased the inducements to smuggling
in Scotland and Ireland, yet the Right Hoeourable Geri-
tieman had unwittingly increased the inducements to
smuggling in this country. His Honourable Fiend had
only proposed a mosler Ate 1-4,lllcmcio of. this duty, is
hopes that hereafter the Right- Honourable Gentlern.in
would concede a still greater seduction of it, The enor-
mous profits resulting from the illicit trade was he teal
source of its growing strength. In fact, he ui, hest to
ask whether the Right Honourable Gentleman knew
anything of the present extreme activity ct the illicit
trade all along the coast from Scotland southward?
Possibly he did not—(A laugh).—" 1," said Mr. Hume,
" have whiskey in my house, and shall continue to iceep
it, and let them find me out if they can (Loud laughter).
I don't deny, nor have I the slightest intention to keep
any such foolish law—(Laughing)—for it is a law which
should bind nobody, because it is a foolish law"—
(Laughter) —The Chancellor of the Exchequer spoke of
the great distillers as usual. They had always seemed,
to him to sit like a nightmare on the Chancellor of tl.e
Exchequer —(A laugh).—But it was foolish to talk of
the nine millions of gallons distilled which paid duty in
this country, when the Right Hoaourable Gentleman
was told, as he would tell him, drat the distillers were
now building large distilleries within nine miles of the
Scottish border, so as to be able to inundate this country
with spirits, and evade the duty. In this view of. the
question, he could not but look upon the Right Honour-
able the Chancellor of the Exchequer as the i rime ore
gan of smuggling._ The difficulty of procuring pine;
he believed, too, constitut d the greatest inducement to
use it to excess when it could be obtained. He eas 00,
sorry his Honourable Friend's motion- was not in favour
of a greater reduction. It did not go far enough : the
duty should be the same on spirits tom the Continent
'as from Scotland.
Colonel DAVIES, in reply, observed, that by per-
mitting this reduction to take place he did imagine the
consumption would not be less, but the income to the
revenue be considerably increased, or this article possi-
bly doubled. He, however, perceived.the form of. the
objection as to this being.an inconvenient stage for at-
tempting a reduction of the duty, and he should not
therefore press hi. motion.
COMMIT? g;

On the motion of Mr.LUSHINGTON, the House
resolved itself into a Committee of Supply on the Esti-
mates of Civil Contingencies. The first Resolution was
for 100,0001 This was considerably below the sum
voted last year for the purposes to which this sum was-
to be appropriated.
Mr. HUME said there were some questions relative
toour Ambassadors at. Foreign Courts. - However, as
the Right Hunourable,the Secretary for Foreign Affairs
ra as not in his place, and as another opportunity. might
offer for explanation upon this subject, he would not
not,/ oppose the vote.
Mr. WILMOT-HORTON next proposed 8,287/. far
the support of the Civil Setvice of the Bahama Islands.
Mr. HUME wished to know if these Islands yieldel
any revenue, and.if they did he was desirous of know-
ing if that revenue was not sufficient for the support uf
any establishments there?
Mr. WILMOT-HOILTON replied,, that he was not
aware of any revenue arising from those Islands.
- Mr. HUME thought it most unfair that the people of
England should be celled upon to support, not only the
military but the civil -expeoditure of these Colonies.—
These establishments were fur the benefit Of the residents
there, and if the inhabitants could not bear the support
of the whole establish mentsiis they now stood, let some
of the useless offices he reduced, and the sums paid
thereto be appropriated to delay the expense which the
House was now called upon unnecessarily to vote.—The
resolution was then agreed to.
Mr. WILMOT-HORTOisi next proposed 6001. for
the Island of Dominica.
Mr. HUME thought this vote still more Objectionable.
than the former. This stun he understood went to the•
payment of a Chief Justice. Was Dominica in such a
state as not to fe able to afford that allowance to a
ChicfJustice, if it were at all necessary that a Chief
Justice should reside tltere? Again he would say, that
the Chief Justice was for the benefit of the inhabitants
there, and not for the benefit of the people of England;
The former, therefore, and not the latter, should contri-
bute to his maintenance.

Mr. WILMOT-1-10ILTON begged to refer the Hot.
• Niember to a correspondence which took place betwe,..l
this Island and Earl Bathurst, in %t hick he would fra►i
grounds for the propriety of continui►►g this vote, and
of having a Chef Justice there.
Mr. G. BENNEt. said, that the only,inform4ion c nt•.
'ined in that cortespoildetke WAS, that the inhabits 1:$


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"If ydu govern us tightly, we will defray the ex-
pense ourselves; if not, you may pay for us." This,
was all he could collect from the correspondence.
WILMOT-HORTON. begged to remind the
HOn.Gentliesiseds. that great responsibility was incurred
by the dismissal Of Officers whom it was found expedient
taeontinue for the benefit of the Colony.. These Colonies
weir regulated by certain principles which had been ap-
11°1ed by the House. The Honourable Member seemed
_
tfispugml. to treat it as a question of a new policy to be
adopted towards the Colonies, and not, as it really was,
the proprietynf voting an estimate which the Legislature
hitherto bad sanctioned.
Colonel DAVIES expressed a wish that his Honour-
shle' Lriend (Mr, Hume) would soon bring forward.
% Motion relative to the mode of management of the
ivil Eaablishment of the Colonies. It was one well
...orthy his attention.
Mr. HUME asked why did weatot pay Chief Justices
br St. Lucia and-Jamaica, as well as Dominica ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
' :hat Dominica was perhaps the most distressed of any
of our West India Islands; its annual production had
frequently been destroyed by hurricanes—from the ca-
lamities inflicted by nature which it had sustained—
from its difficulty in raising suppliei—from the large
quantity of barren and uncultivated land in that Island.
Although other Islands might defray their own este.
flishments, an exception should be made in favour of
Dominica, and every assistance afforded it by tho-cao-
ther country.
Mr. HUME, .in the present depressed state of West
India property, would not press the vote to a division.
ile e as, nevertheless, of opinion that these Islands ought a
to maintain their own establishments. And he was morel
noxious that the House should impress this principle on
their minds, for unless this country threw something on
them, they Auld get nothing from them—(A laugh).
The Resolution was then agreed to.
Mr. WILNIOT-HORTON next proposed £8279 for
the Civil Contingencies of Upper Canada. This was
Dote less than was voted last year for a like purpose.
Mi.IIUME said the same ground could not be shewn
for this vote as for the last. They paid nearly all the
military. as well as civil establishments of this Colony,
while tie new States of America paid their own estab-
lishments, both civil.and military. Before agreeing to
slab a vote, the House should be made acquainted with
the amount of the Civil List of Upper Canada, and the
meal's afforded them of judging what services might be
dis, eesed with. lithe Colonists wanted such an estab-
lishment, let them support it themselves, ar ctherwise
let it be discharged. He begged to call the attention
of the House to some of the individuals who formed
part of the Civil Establishment. There were twe
Sheriffs. Why should this country be. called upon to
pay the Sheriffs? They were not paid in England.
Besides, as he was informed, they had an ample income
irron fees. There was, besides, a Secretary and Regis-
trar. He should like to know what his duties were?
Also a Clerk of the Council, and a Surveyor-Geneial of
Land: Why could he not be paid out of the.lands that
were sold? The United States • of America received
many millions by the sale 'of lands. In Upper Canada
lands were pained to individuals many miles in extent,
which were left without cultivation, while the unfor.
melte people who emigrated • there from this country
were sent hundreds of miles further off to seek for a
seuletnent. li the lands near the Presidencies were.
sold they would be a source of considerable income.
What he heatd from Mr. Gourley, who had opportuni-
ties of being acquainted with the subject, he believed to
be ceriect—that the Colony was fully able to pay its
own estaidishment. If they sold no lands what occa-
sion had they for a Surveyor-General ? One of the items
was 100/. for a Naval Officer. He should be glad to
know where he served ? Now that Custom Houses were
established such an officer was useless. There were allow-
ances to Surveyors which they had no right to pay. All
the items were objectionable. He should, therefore,
propose to reject the vote entirely.
Mr. WILMOT-HORTON said, the Honourable
Gentleman who had just sat down rested his opposition
to this vote upon the ground that the people of .England
were called upon to defray the expenses or useless
offices. Now this was a perfectly incorrect statement
of the ,a,e. Up to the year 1816, all the expenses of
that Coloily were borne by this country; and was it
lair, he would ask, to compare. with the United States a
Col why which had not an existence in the year 1790,
and which was capable of conferring great benefits upon
this country? The whole argument of the Honourable
Gentleman might be resolved into this simple question
—" Is there any office in. the Colony of Upper Canada
that oglit to be abolished?' Now two-thirds of the ex-
pense- .ere raised by the Colony itself; the aggregate
expel: 'iture amounted to 30,0061. of which sum
`20,0001. were furnished by the Colony ; and he thought
it would be unjust in their present condition to call upon
Len, to supply mote.- Last year, when a proposition
had been submitted to the House to unite the two
Canadas, which measure, if carried into execution,
would have completely ckne away with the separate ex-
penditure, the Honourable Gentleman opposite (Mr.
Hume) was one ot the first to Oppose it. If the Hon.
Gentleman meant to lay down the principle that the
CaNnnies were no advantage, that would let into the
conideration of the House a very extensive and import-
ant question, namely, the pyopriety of abandoning our
Colonies: but that, was a subject quite foreign to the(o6-
ject now befortalle.House, which was the consideration
tithe ellnuial. Estimates. He was as willing as any
man to admit that efforts should be made, and' he felt
persuaded, would be made progressively to diiAinish the
expenses ot the Mother Country. The Honourable
Gentleman had talked of the profits arising from the
sale of lard, but he was Ignorant that these lands pro-
deceit no pecuniary value, fdr.they were granted to,
those "ho would undertake their, cultivation. The
Citation which the House had to look at, was the total
Itienee of the Civil gstablishment, of Upper Canada,
viewed in relation to bet resources and the necessity of
maintaining a local Government. Is the general ex-
Pease tithe Colo.>, more than should be borne? Is it
more than the Mother Country should contribute to her
Cluny as yet in. an, infant state—(Hear, hear). The
umottrahle Member, had asked what advantage we
derived from. this Colony? This he conceived not to be
theloestioa the House had to discuss, but if the Hon.
! !!mber were to give notice of a motion, having for its
.bject the abandonment of these Colonies, lie would see
the kind af f •
t eei Mg_ it would . produce throughout the
country. It was difficult to estimate the value which
Ile country derhied from her Colonies. The Honour-
shie Member for Aberdeen seemed to thinkahere could
be no advantages produced, unless they could be ex-
hLined to hint arithmetically trtua bAlance sheet.. But
le slmang au. Colonial •systtm, lie always Oft that
.•
as ski
peaking of the wealth, the p(mer, and the cOrn

etcial resources of the empire—(lte3r, hear.) And he I
was persuaded that, enlightened as the country now was!
by sound and rational principles of political science,
the nation would be able to app eciate our colonial ad-
vantage;,. even though their precise pecuniary profits
could not he demon-trated *on -a balance sheet—(Hear,
hear, hear)—and • these were - the -real principles by
which the extensive interests of a-cOuntry like this ought
to be estimated—Wear, hear.) And perhaps the lion.
Member for Aberdeen would do well to consider the
subject in that point of view, instead of dealing in gene-
thirties, or alluding to the information of Mr. Gourlay.
However, agreeing with the Honourable Gentlenian
completely in the principle that the first object of the
Government should be to diminish the expenses of our
Colonies, but denying the wisdom of withdrawing our
support from them whilst in a state of infancy, it would
be sufficient for his purpose to say, that it was the deter-
mination of the Government to support every plan by
which the improvement of our Colonies could be pro-
moted; a spirit of induitry excited cominercial exertions,
encouraged by those sound and liberal*measures of free
trade, which were now no longer a mystery but were
perfectly understood—by the enactment and equal ad-
ministration of good laws, and by the extension of as
much freedom as they could enjoy. By measures of
this description their prosperity must follow, but you
cannot now aLt upon a system which would only be ap-
plicable to the Colonies at a more advanced period. It
was possible that under the Union the present expendi-
ture could be diminished, but he was now speaking of
the 'state of things in the year I WA, and if the House
should refuse the present vote, they would inflict incal-.
culable evil. Every effort should be made to promote
the prosperity of these Colonies, and that could only
be done by affording them present assistance, and he
had no doubt the expenses would be progressively di-
minished. He therefore trusted the House would not
agree with the Hon. Member for Aberdeen, bat.support
the motion which had been submitted for their adoption.
Mr. BENNET opposed the vote. The people of Eng-
land should not be called upon to pay these expenses.
If the House did not take a step now, and refuse them,
he had no doubt but their children's children would be
called upon to pass the same vote as that now' proposed.
Mr. wlLmoT„HowroN said,, he considered it a
positive certainty, that after- the lapse of a feet years
there would be no necessity to call upon the House for
this grant. The revenue of the Colony would then be
sufficient to defray the expenses.
Mr. BRlGHT.supported the Resolution; There was
no analogy bets.'een Uppef Canada and the United
States; the fOrniei ' wAs a Colony 'but recently planted:
In a political poinrof view 'it was of -the greatest import-
ance, to serve counter-balanie to the :Stites of
America. It was politic, therefore, to advance thOsel
sums, without which the Colony could not at present
support the necessary-establishment. •
Mr. HUME said, if he had the power he -stiimid
admit the two Canadas to the situation of free States,
and thus put it out of their power to draw this country
into a war that might cost her many millions. It was
by no means a new Colony ; it had been Upper Canada
for the last forty years. He Would ask what pretence
there could be for this demand of 30,0001. from this
country for the civil establishment of this Colony, when
we paid for the whole military establishment also? The
Hon. Gentleman complained that he (Mr. Hume) had
behaved unkindly and unjustly to the Colonies, in op-
posing the Bill for uniting the Legislatures and Govern-
ments of the two provinces, And now objecting to this
vote to make up the deficiency in their means of sup-
porting their own establishments, which that Bill was
intended to remove. tie did oppose that Bill, and he
took credit to himself for having done so : for it was
I nothing more nor less charisma attempt on the part of
his Majesty's Ministers to cheat those provinces out of
their rights and liberties, by inducing the Parliament
of Great Britain to pass an Act for uniting the Legis-
latures of the two provinces, without the knowledge or
consent of the inhabitants. Ile would also ask whether
the Government had done its duty in taking care that
Lower Canada paid to Upper Canada what was due
from it ? for if they had, there could be no ground for
calling upon this country to assist in supporting the ex,
pense of the Civil Establishment of the.e Colonies. So
far from being a benefit, they were a load upon this
country.; for we paid a heavy duty oh the timber im-
ported from them, which forced the people of this
country to pay a higher price for bad timber than
would enable them to procure timber of good quality
from other countries. We were therefore taxed for the
benefit of the arade of these Colonies; we were also
taxed to support their military establishment; and now
came an additional demand' for their civil establishment.
The Hon. Gentle Man said he was in hopes that arrange-
ments might be made that•would hereafter render it
unnecessary to continue this vote. If he might under-
stand that there was a hope that they might not be
called upon to repeat it next year, he was ready to
withdraw his opposition to the vote—(No, no !from the
Treesury Bench). If not, he should feel it his duty to
divide the Committee. _

Dr. LUSHINGTON trusted his Hon. Friend would
not press his objection to the vote, for he-should not be
able to divide with him on this question. He believed
chat, although it might not, generally speaking, be
politic or expedient for the Mother Country to be at the
expense of maintaining the Civil Establishments of the
Colonies, yet there might be circumstances under which
it would be but fair, and certainly not disadvantageous,
for the Mother Country to support in part the expense
of a Colonial. Establishment, receiving in return from
the Colony advantages of some other kind. He had
been under the necessity of making himself acquainted
with the state of the Governments of the Canadas, and
he knew that at a period not very. far gone by nothing
could be more deplorable than the administration of
justice in those provinces, owing to the vast/extent of
the Colony, to the paucity of inhabitants in proportion
to that extent, to the peculiar character of the people,
and to the feuds which were constantly occurring be-
tween rival settlements. Some changes had taken place
by which the Judicature had been greatly Ameliorated,
and he thought this country could not possibly object
to contribute towards the expense of th 4 improvement
which it was its duty to make. He did hope, however,
that the time would come when these Colonies would
be able to maintain their own Judicature and other
civil servants without calling on the Mother Country
for assistance.
Mr. BENNET would advise his Hon. Friend not to divide the
Committee, as something in the nature of a pledge had beeu given,
that the charge would suon cease.
Mr. II U iNIE would not press a division, as the sense of the Com-
mittee appeared to be against him.—The Resolution was agreed to.
.A. 91 9 7 was moved for the Civil Establishment in Nova Scotia.
Air. G. BENNET objected to the expense of the Church Esta-
Sishment of Nova Scotia, when so great a portion of the inhabi-
tants were Calvinists. The Calvinist Ministers did that.. duties on'
much cheapen terms than those of the ."o,taLlisLett Church. •

Mr. WJLMOT-HOltttlN observesl, it was prOtable that part
of this charge would be progressively taken off •by Nova Sobt
but that if the vote were now resisted, it would be of great injury
to the Colony.
Mr. HUME hoped the Honourable Member would
state what was the amount of the Colony's tiade. He
thought it a shame that his Majesty's Ministers did not
allow the Nova Bcotians themselves to pay the sum.
Mr. WILMOT. HORTON stated, in the year 1821,
the impoi is were 31,090/. in 1822, about the same sum ;
and, in 1823, they were 19,7001 That the exports we'e,
in 1821, 155,6591. in 1822, 173,81.61. and in 1823,
153,201/. He would assure the Hon. Member that he
had every anxiety to reduce the amount now applied for.
Mr. HUME was glad to.tind there was such a dispo=
sition; but the House should recollect that the coloniei
in the West Indies were under very unfair restoictions
for the purpose of serving these colonies.—Agreed to.
Mr. WILMOT-HORTON then proposed 5,1914. for
defraying the expiense of the Civil Establishment at
New Brunswick.

Mr. HUME observed, that a memorial had been sent
from this Colony to his Majesty's Government to this
effect:—" You vote us annually a considerable sum;
but let us have the management of our. Custom-house,
and we will save you that sum:" The expense incarred
by that Custom-house was 6,0001. per annum, and the
application was to save this. He (Mr. Hume) thought
that this should he particularly inquired into.
Mr. WILMOT-1101tTON observed, that he h sped
to see this expense considerably diminished next year.
The resolution was then agreed to.
Mr. WILMOT4JORION next proposed the sum
of 3,3181. for defraying the expense of the Civil Esta-
blishment of Pi ince Edward's Island, and 15,29 IL for
defraying the expense of the Civil Establishment of
New South Wales, which were agreed to.
Mr. NVILMOT-HORION then proposed (22,5011.
for expenses of the Civil Establishment of Siena Leone.
Mr. HUME wished to know vellat advantage was de-
rived from this establishment, amid whether ally papers
had been laid before the House, to spew that its utility
was equal to its expense? Ile understood that the loss
of lives in this colony was very great, and thought that
Ministers should take this into their consideration.

Mr. %Inman HORTON observed, thAt the Ho-
nourable Gentlenran must be aware that it was impossi-
ble now to enter into the subject, or to discuss it at the
present time. It must be considered with reference to
the system which had been adopted, and not to the ques-
tion before the Committee.
Mr. WILMOT-HORTON 'next proposed 43.9261.
for defraying the expenses of the Civil k:stablishment on
-the Gold Coast,.aad 9,8271. for defraying the expenses
of the Civil Establishment of the Bermudas.— Agreed to.
'On the vote fat 150,0001. for bills•drawn and to be
drawn for civil contingencies in New South Wales,
Mr. HUME said, he did not understind the mixed
n_ature.ofthese accounts.

Mr. WILMOT-HORTON said, that the complicated
nature of 'these accounts arose from their-referring partly
to sums which had been expended, and partly to sums
which it was expected would be expended. He hoped
that in the Nell year he should be able to furnish the
Committee 'with an improved statement of these ac-
counts.—The sum was then voted. .
The next sum proposed to be granted was 2,442/.los.
for defraying the expense of certain colonial services
formerly.paid out of the Army Eztraordinaries.
Mr. HUME observed,. that he had expected never to
have heard of this grant again. With regard to the
duties• performed by the superintendent ot Honduras
and his secretary, he knew nothing, and therefore
should not make any observation ; but with regard to
the salaries paid to the private secretaries of the Gover-
nors.of Barbadoes, Dominica, Grenada, and the other
West Indian Islands, amounting altogether to 1,8001.,
odd, he had no hesitation in saying that the country
ought to be relieved from them altogether, as they were
in possession of a considtrable income arising from their
fees of office. It he did net receive some satisfactory
assurance
.upon this subject, he should move, as an
amendment, that the amount of these salaries be de-
ducted from this grant.
Mr. WILMOT-HORTON observed,in reply, that the
Hon. Member for Aberdeen seemed to be confounding
the private secretaries of the Governors with the public
Secretaries of the island. The latter functionaries did,
it' was true, receive fees; but the former received none,
their emoluments being confined to lOs. per diem that
WAS paid to them. He contended that a private secre-
tary was indispensable to a West Indian Governor.
Mr.- HUME thought that the explanation of the
Riht Hon. Secretary was anything but satisfactory.
• Mr. GOULBURN confirmed the statement of his
Right Honourable Friend, the Secretary for the Colo-
nies. It was absolutely necessary for every Governor
of a W.•st Indian Island to have a private secretary;
now their emoluments were only barely sufficient to
support the rank and station which they were called
Upon to fill; and as that was the case, the Public could
not do less than pay the salary of their private secretaries.
Mr. H. G. BENNET trusted that his Honourable
Friend (the Member fur Aberdeen) would move the
amendment which he had mentioned, and also that he
would take the sense of the House upon it.
Mr. HUM E then moved that the sit in of 1,8221. being
the amount ot the salaries paid to these private secre-
taries, be deducted from the grant.
The Committee then divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment, 21 Against it, 95
Majority for the original grant, 72.

- -
The next Resolution was to grant 15,532/. to the
Society for Propagating the Gospel in the Colonies.
Mr. HUME said, that on a former occasion he had
pointed out instances of gross mismanagement on the
part of this Society ; and he mentioned the fact of the
Society having„several years ago, boasted of having ex-
pended a large sum fot establishing schools ; but it since
appeared that not a single school existed, nor was there
a single scholar instructed. Such was the opinion en-
tertained of this Society by the people of Newfound-
land, that they refused the use of
.their churches to the-
Ministers of this Society. Therefore he would ask if
such a set of men were fit persons to be entrusted with
the management or•disbursement of so large a sum as
15,0001. ? If religion was to be promoted in Newfound-
land, Canada, and other Colonies, let the thing be done
by the Government of each Colony, and let not unwor-
thy persons have such a trust imposed in them..
Mr. WILMOT-HORTON said the Secretary was in
communication- with the Ecclesiastical Authorities and
the Governments of the Colonies ; and they were the
fittest. persons to have the aan.inistration of the funds..l
At all events; the sum was necessary for promoting the,
system of religious education in the Colonies, wh•.k'ver
parties they might be who were to administer the same.'
Mr. HUME replied that the Colonies ought to pro.
vide for their own religious establishment. -He wished
to kr.o* why the people of England and Scotland should

•
pay WO a-year td the Ilev. Dr. to lisp For preaching
in Halifax, a large comoseieial town, theiliabitays Of
which could well afford to pay lot their preachers ?
Mr. BUTT E R woirr H Viappor the)notion• The • •
grant had heretofoie done much 'good, and it would
-have a mischievous effect if it were now withheld. With
respect to the Society for the PropagatiOn of the Gospel,
its labours had been beneficial. ItViii&-wee ilia it had
been exposed to some atrocious impo,tut es, which ought
to be inquired into ; but of its general utility, no fair
dOubt could be entertained. "l'he llotiourable.Membet;
concluded by observing, that the want, in his opinion, -
ought, if altered.at all, to be increased—
Mr. G. BONNET had mi.-At:9lK 01 the necessity of.
religious instruction among Use inhabitants of the Colo.:
hies, but the question was—who was to pay for it? nil,
would not oppose the grant that year, but he certainly,
would oppose its being paid to the Society.
Mr. GOULBURN begged to set the Honourable.
Member right as to the Colonies doing nothing towards
ate expenses of obtaining religious instruction. There
were tracks of barren land set apart in Canada applied.
to the maintenance of the Church—(f laugh )—which,
as the country improved and thelands were cultivated,
would produce an income for the Church. The money.
had been given to the Society becathe they were found .
to be more efficient in prnpagatitg the Gospel than any,
other persons employe,. for that purpose.
Mr. MO NCR thought the grant a monstrous one, and he should
strenuously oppose It.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY wished to ask whether the money votes:2
was for the Church of England followers, or was to be applikd Lir)
tint 4 persons who professed doctrines that had led to such raischle*,
ousotonsequeuces in the Colonies?
Mr. WI ',NICK-HORTON replied, that the grant was for the
support of the doctrines of the Church of England.
Il LIME thought the answer of the Honourable Gentleman
made the grant still more munstroui. Why were the Dissenters of
England and Scotland to be taxed for supporting Church of Eng-
land doctrines in the Colonies?
Sir T. ACK.LAN D wished that distinct charges should be-
brought against the Society, rather than attack them by a side-'
wind, by which they were tlec!ared unworthy of receiving the; "
money that they had in former years applied, he believed, benefi4
cially ; at least it would be mots unjust to deprive them of the grate
without giving those persona due notice who were sent out to the
Colonies as Missionaries from the Society ; as they would in that.
case be suddenly deprived of their livelihood. •
Sir SCROOPE AIOItLAN D spoke in favour of the grant.
Lord ALTHOIIP said he shohld prefer having the money paid
to Governors of Colonies, and making them responsible for its ap-
plication ; but if he were to say aye or no upon the question of afford-
ing the grant at all, he should certainly prefer that it should be given
to the Missionaries rather than it should not he given at all.
Mr. T. WILSON heartily concurred in the grant,
.Mr.,11. C. BENNET then moved that the words, " defray the
charges of this society" be left out of the Resolution.
The llouse divided upon the honourable Member's Amendment;
when there appeared in favour of the original Resolution, 98—
against it, 19—majority against the Amendment, 79. •
That .5,000/. be granted for the Refuge for the Destitute.
That 693,0001. be granted to his Majesty, to defray the extraor-
dinary expenses of the Army. •
Mr. BEN NET suggested that this grant was calculated to excite
much discussion,and therefore requested that it might be withdrawn.
Mr. LUSH I NGTON withdrew it accordingly. •
' The CHAIRSIAN reported progress, and asked leave to sic again.
The Report was ordered to be read on Monday next,
The House went into a Committee on the County Courts
The House resumed, and the Report ordered for Tuesday next.
Mr. CROKER moved the third reading of the Marine Mutiny
Bill. _ .

Mr. HUME stated that he had some objections to make to this .
Bill ; but if the public service required the passing of the Bill, lie
would not press them.
Mr. CROKEit said that the Marine Mutiny Bill expired on the
25th of March, and it therefore was desirable that the Bill should
pass.—The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
The Four per Cents. Bill was read a third time and passed.
The Committee on the Usury Bill was postponed to Friday.
The House went into a Committee on the Cruelty to Animals
Bill, which was ordered to be recommitted on Monday week.
The Douse adjourned at a quarter past Twelve.

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The Sydney (New South Wales) Gazette, of July 41..
says:—'" It is reported as a fact, that some of the oil which was.ez- .
tracted from the Van Dieman's Land bark (name of the tree un-
known), and which was sent home by one of our most praiseworthy
and enterprising Colonists, was disposed of iu London at a very
high price.—The average prices of articles in the Sydney market
were, wheat, 4s. 7d. per tarrei ; maize, 2s. 6d. and barley, Ss. Fine
bread was selling at 3id. per loaf of 2lbs. weight: —By the Mariner,
forty-four fine sheep of the Merino breed, from the flock of the late • .
Marquis of Londonderry, have arrived in an uncommonly fine con-
dition in this Colony. There were sizty-six shipped in England, of
which twenty-two died on their passage:—Price of !mead in Hobart
Town, fide loaf of two pounds, Sd. wheaten, 4d."
Upon inquiry we have ascertained that the width of the .
New London Bridge is intended not to be greater than
that of the present one, which is certainly not equal to
the immense exigencies of this transit, particularly for
foot passengers. Before it shall be too late, we sincerely
hope the Corporation will take this into consideration,
and cause the width to be so far increa red that at least
two feet may be added to each pathway. • .

If any faith is to be placed in popular rep ,rt, the
sovereignty of the Great Uithisowis must at• length give 'lice to that
of the Great stisowit—Txranoat liouic, whose " Sayings and ,
Doinigs" promise to eclipse every other species of historical fiction
that has hitherto been attempted.

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JOIIN SALTER, 3.5, Strand, Goldsmith, Silversmith,
and Sword-cutler to his Royal Highness the Duke of Sussex, re-
spectfully returns his most grateful thanks to the Nobility, Gentry,
his Friends, and the Public, whe have so liberally supported hint
during twenty-four years. He takes this opportunity to inform them,
that he bas rebuilt the house (lately destroyed by fire), at the corner
of the Adelphi, where he has laid in a new and fashionable Assort-
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their patronage, support, and approbation. Every attention has
been paid to increase the accommodation of his Friends, and he is
determined to meet the times, by selling the best articles on the
very lowest terms.
SUCCESS AT HAZARD AND Co.'s,--Both the Twenty:
Thousand Pound Prizes drawn the First Day of the
presciit Lottery, were Sold in Shares by HAZARD and 4
Co. and their Agents. The Second Day of Di awing
will be the 17th of •Maacn, when two more Twenty
Thousands will be drawn in the First Five Minute; ;
the wheel contains Five Pi izes of • Twenty Thousand,•
and many other Capitals. Tickets and Shares are.
Selling by HAZARD and Co. at their old-established and.
Fortunate Offices, Royal Eichange Gate, 26, Cornhill,
and 824, Oxford-street, end of Regent-street, and by.
their Agents in all the principal Country Towns.
The interest manifested for this last Lottery increase;
every hour, and the proximity of the Second Day's
Drawing (Next WEDNESDAY) now renders it intense, lot
there are still Five of t 20,000 in the Wheel, and the
Two First Prizes drawn are each to have £lB,OOO
Consols and £2,000 Money Extra, whilst Blanks con-
tinue to have chances almost interminable, as the last
1,000 drawn on the 17th March are.to be put into the
Wheel again and have a- Chance for THREE of 00,000
and all die other Prizes in the Second Division of the
Lottery—Temptations like these, whilst they last, Mr:
SIVEWRIGUr has reason to kncT, few can withstand.
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