Star.
London, England, 1813-11-30 00:00:00

brown bread now offered to you
if you clo, you will never get •
ten bread as long as you live.
do not resort- to the mischievous
tive of Insolvent Bills, whin , _ _
rendering effectual an'Act founded
ciple of legislation.
After some further conversation, tl
a second time, and committed for Tin
understanding we believe, that the
Lord Redeedale'. amended Bill should colon on to-
morrow (this day) on the second reading.
Adjourned till to-morrow (this day).
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Mr. J. SMITH presaged s Petition front certain Artisans of
Nottingham—Ordered to lie on the table.
The Accoee,*---

Bill was ecoindtted, and ordered to

be reported to-morrow.
Mr. LUSHINGTON brought op the Report of the Commit-
tee on the East-India Sugar Bill, which was ordered to be re-
committed to-morrow.
The Sugar Bounty BiII was read a second time, and ordered to
be committed to morrow.
A Message was presented from the Lords, announcing their
assent to the Lean Charge and Indemnity Bills.
The Watch and Ward Bill was read a second time, and orde-
red to be committed to morrow.
Mr. H. ADDINGTON proposed to put off the committing of
the Police Bill till to-morrow ' • and stated, that the only change
he contemplated in it was an increase of the salaries of the Ma-
gistrates.
Upon this, the SPEAKER suggested, that the increase of sa-
lary must be submitted to a previous Committee, and the com-
mitting of the Bill was in consequence put off till Thursday next.
INSOLVENT DITTOES.
Mr. BENSON presented a Petition from Debtors confined hi
Liverpool, praying for relief : also, a Petition from persons con-
fined in the County Jail of Stafford, to the same effect. He ex-
pressed a wish to be then informed, by an Honourable Gentle-
man opposite (Mr. Lockhan) whether it was his intention to
brine forward his measure for the relief of Insolvent Debtors, or
whether he had relinquished it
Mr. I.OOKHART said, he thought it more expedient to waft
the issue in the House of Lords of a motiouto be made this
night on the same subject, by the Noble Lord who brought in
the last Insolvent Debtors' Bill; he would therefore put off his
intended motion till to-morrow.
Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY presented a Petition from certain
Imprisoned Debtors.—Ordered to lie on the table.

LACE-FRAME-BREAKING BILL.
Mr. H. ADDINGTON moved the second read-
ing of the Lace-frame-Waking Bill."
Mr. J. SMYTH said, that he had the satisfaction
of knowing that perfect order and tranquillity now
exists at Nottingham. He, however, hdd do objec-
tion to the renewal of the Bill, particularly from the
circumstance of Lace-frames having no statuteable
protection before this Act. He was, however, un.
willing to agree to the renewal of that part which
annexed to offences specified the penalty of death.
Mr. H. ADDINGTON admitted that perfect
tranquillity now exists, but still thought it better to
renew for the present a Bill found so salutary, in the
same form as that in which its operation was so suc-
cessful. There was a remote possibility,, and, under
all the circumstances, he thought it his duty to move
for the renewal of the Bill. The penalty was severe,
but it was the dread of that severity that chiefly con-
tributed to giving it effect.
Sir S. ROMILLY conceived, that no sufficient
ground was submitted to the House that an Act of
such importance, creating .1 capital felony, should lx
renewed. The House should have extensive informa-
tion before they proceeded in such a course. Before
the late Act stocking-frame breaking was a trans.
portable offence, and lace-frame breaking was no
more than a misdemeanour. "I he existence of a dan-
gerous conspiracy to commit outrages might justify
the substitution of capital punishment by the late act,
but it was temporary, and its necessity at that parti-
cular time was regretted by the Right Hen. Secre-
tary who introduced it. Not only the disturbances,
but their causes, were removed. Tranquillity and
trade had succeeded to poverty and disorder. It
would have been impossible for the most sanguine
imagination to anticipate a more flourishing state of
the country than that now realised. Two years of
peace and good order had now elapsed, and that was
a sufficient time, from which to infer that the renewal
of the Bill was not called for. The principal objec-
tion to the Bill, when first introduced, was, that the
Act of the 28th of George the Second, which made
this offence a simple felony, was not fairly tried before
it was declared inadequate. Its severity was a means
of defeating its purpose, as it was on that account
seldom enforced.

Mr. BATHURST said, this was not an Act, of
course, to be permanently renewed, but only for one
year; nor could that be fairly inferred from what had
fallen from his Right Hon. Friend who moved it--
He admitted that perfect tranquillity prevailed, and
that trade flourished beyond the most sanpine hopes;
but still, he conceived, a sufficient length of time had
not elapsed to justify the House in discontinuing the.
Act. Even prosperity might produce occurrences to
render it necessary to resort to it.

Mr. HORNER said, the measure was never justi-
fied on any other ground than that of necessity. Why
then should a remote possibility be set np as a suffi-
cient plea for its continuance ? He would not recur
to the differences of opinion on the first introduction
of the measure ; but he would state, that he was at
all times bf opinion, that the laws before on the sta-
tute-book were perfectly adequate to the occasion,
and the disturbances were, in substance, put down
under the ancient statutes. • It was an important con-
sideration, that criminal proceedings under this Bill
assumed a new appearance. An offence in itself light,
but rendered dangerous by circumstances, should be
severely punished at all times, and a temporary law
made permanent. This would derange the whole
system of our criminal law. Drinking a health was
at one time severely and justly punished, but from
peculiar and temporary causes. The Act goes a
great way. If a single individual, unconnected with
any combination, should injure a piece of stocking or
lace, or injure any part of the machinery,. it was a
capital offence. Under the words of the Act a mis-
chievous apprentice, who injured a piece out of ma-
lice to his master, must be convicted of a capital fe-
lony. Many old laws were permitted to remain on
the statute book through a want of wisdom in former
Parliaments, which it required all the ingenuity of
the Judges at present to evade. He remembered an
iostance, in which it was decided by a Judge of the
first talents and character, that a whip in the left
hand of la coachman, and leaning on the ground, was
a weapon under the Stabbing Act, which rendered
stabbing a capital crime, unless the person stabbed
had a weapon drawn in his hand. To renew this Bill
would be virtually to make it permanent. The re-
mote
possibility now talked of would always exist.
'1 he most that should be done was to make lace

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arguments urged against
were altogether inappli.
' to renew it for another
were most salutary, and
to decide upon the

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_ was greatly surprised that
a Bill-enacted under circumstances of very extraor-
dinary danger should be continued at a time like the
present. There was a particular feallirtalf sever*
in this Act ; it compelled a protean/of(
.ender tpa
penalty of a misdemeanour, and this at 'a lime whin
no disorder, no combination, could be supposed to
exist. As to the argument of common prudence and
remote poinibility, to that there could be no limit.—
He would conjure the House to pause betore.it re-
enacted such a Bill, and hoped the Right Honours le
Gentleman himself would take it again into his con-
sideration.

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Mr. Alderman SMITH contended, that as little
argument had been urged against this Bill as for it,'
though the Gentlemen or. the other side charged up-
on the Gentleman with whom he agreed in opinion
that they had produced no grounds.—(Hear, hear,
from the Opposition Benches.)—As to the case of
apprentices doing injury to a piece of stocking or lace
out of malice, the law could never be supposed to ap-
ply to them.
Mr. COURTENAY saw, no necessity for renew-
ing the bill.
Mr. H. ADDINGTON, in explanation, declared
his readiness to avbw, It:lost directly, that no appre-
hension was entertained, and that no information
whatever had come within his official department,
which would lead to a supposition that any disturb-
ances were likely to take place in/he country. (Hear,
hear.) But still he thought the Bill was too recent to
be discontinued. Could Gentlemen undertake to say
that the former combinations were wholly broken up i
Mr. LOCKHART said, the penalty of death had
met his approbation when the Bill was enacted, which
had the effect of giving a true character to the of-
fence. But happily the state of the country wits now
changed, and he felt it his duty to oppose the conti-
nuance of the Bill. (Hear, hear.) If the same neces-
sity recurred, the Bill might be re-enacted. •
Mr. BROWNE objected to the continuance of an
Act, so very severe in its provisions, upon mere spe-
culation.
Mr. H. ADDINGTON again explained, and Sir
S. ROMILLY moved an Amendment, that the Bill

be read a second time that day six months.
The House having divided, there appeared—For
the Amendment 15—Against it 37—Majority 22.
The Bill was of course read a second time, and
ordered to be committed.
On re-enterieg the gallery, we found Lord CASTLE-
nEnon on his legs, moving for leave to bring in a
Bill to regulate the trade of his Majesty's subjects to
and from the places within the East India Company's
Charter, and from thence to any other countries not
within that Charter.
After a few words from Mr. Alderman ATKINS,
leave was given.

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salon, the B 1 was read it required great • copsideration
d for Thursday, with an propriety ef discontinuihg it.
that the discussion •on Mr. ABERCROMBIE was