Star.
London, England, 1823-04-25 00:00:00

The Duke of SUSSEI said, that at the &Ali
Duke had alluded to him, he felt bound to state, tb4r
as 'he could not agree with the Noble Duke in the
views which he had taken of the balance of poweror
he could not coincide with the arguments which the
Noble Duke had advanced; for he entertained no,
uions directly contrary to those of the Noble Duke,,
Lord KING contended that his Majesty's Ministett
had admitted that the Ministers of the Bourbons 4
France had mystified if not duped them, so that thier
were now in a fool's paradise. For himself he
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say, that he had read the Papers laid before then
Lordships with feelings of grief and astonishment,
in them he had seen not one manly sentiment 4
vanced or supported. Great Britain now succumbed
to France ; and it seemed that the efforts of woe;
were never to be wholly successful ; for those IS
nisters who had fancied that they had succeeded mid
Dloriously in putting down one, now found thro
espots tyrannising over Europe, with %hot thee
dared not compete, and with whom they therefor;
sought to side. The greatest efforts of human genie,
seemed to be contracted ; and such his Majestre
Ministers found were the results of the grand pad,
fication of Paris. -
The Earl of ABERDEEN defended the conduct
of Ministers in an able speech. Looking back toy,
tions agitated within those walls during the lit
twenty years, he could say, he never in his life
a more conscientious vote than he should give ,
the motion of the Noble Lord.
The Earl of DARNLEY did not doubt that
Noble Duke had been actuated by the same h.roap.
able feeling which had distinguished his illustr;-
predecessor, the Duke of Marlborough. After
fruits of his great victories, he was entitled to
high language; and it must have been painful
stand in the highest position. He really felt that me.
nice might have been resorted to, in older to peeve
the military occupation of Spain and. Portugal by
France, which was at all times to be dreaded by this
country. He should support the motion, on the
ground that the line of policy pursued could not
preserve peace.
The Duke of WELLINGTON said, he could •
suffer the debate to come to a conclusion
making a few observations. He was obliged
Noble Lord whobad expressed a hope that
be able to make out his defence. He stood ,
the House not only as the Negotiator at Vernnt.
as a Member of the Cabinet. He called on the Noble
Lords to say explicitly whether they would have
taken a neutral line or a line of war? The Noble
Lords had not declared whether they would have de-
termined for war or peace. The Gosh:rumen had
determined on neutrality, and he went to Verona m
preserve the line of neutrality. On the queqiunf
sentrality he went into conference with the Ministes
of other Governments. He negotiated for t.eutra!'
finder the instructions he received, and upon ,
alone he might rest his ease. He went to Verona,
and in the Congress of Sovereigns and their Minh-
ters he used the arguments'which he thought bestfar
the preservation of the peace of Europe. He had
been blamed for not having acted on a principlelaid
down by the Marquis of Londonderry in 1821._
In point of fact;. the principle found in the paper
left by the Marquii of Londonderry, never was li.
mitted by the Allied Sovereigns. He was am seat.
to insist on the principle in that paper, hat. ta,
withstand all interference in the affairs of Spaia...—'
The Noble Duke added, that he endeavoured to per.'
snade the Ministers, from his knowledge of Spain, tae
refrain from taking that course. It was said he halt
been duped. He, no doubt, foresaw the possibility if
war; but was he to insult the Sovereigns and their**.
nisters by putting forth topics on which he knew diets
' was a difference of opinion? Ue was thankful tots
Noble Lords for the pains they had taken to ins*.
upon him the obligation he was under of coder
fairly out of the investigation: lie should, how,*
have felt more obliged to them if they had taken*"
pains to pervert his conduct, and apply meaniay
which they knew did not belong to it. They hada*
that after he received instructions from Mr. Cassel
to declare that his Majesty would not be ... partylie
any interference in the affairs of Spain, he disobeys*
that instruction. He might ask whether, at Ordeal
he delivered his Note of the SO.h of October, dame
was any endeavour by force toimenaceor to interim,
with Spain ? When there was such an imeatietarkg
made a remonstrance, and declared his Majesty'riso
tention not to be a patty to such interference. Tfis
Noble Duke read the remonstrance, and said he con-
sidered himself acquitted, bec use his Majesty s Got.'
vernment approved of the dec, He
blamed for stating that the _
was justified in forming an Army
Who could say, when there was a
posite frontier, that it was not
to assemble an army on her own
should be found in fault
upon which there coulC
nion was most surprisini,
guage held out at Verona,
sidered it more manls
Sovereign, to hold firm b.
representations were made
possible. On the subject
founded upon a knowledge
conciliatory measure
peace of Spain. ModiL
proposed, but the object
in the Papers; He was
merits. He world rel;
was that the Noble Lords
!ions of others, but ice'
consider that the -object' '
the Spanish people to
benefit. The House,
view of the *hole case,
whether there was anything
'duct. The Noble Duke •
'statement to be found in
Earl GREY rose to
though he despaired of ,
*infect of the policy adopted L
e Noble Duke had asked;
dlilid they mean War?
the Noble Duke said no
He would state distinctly
tion. He would tell him,
country was overlooked, th
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by representation, under the
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