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London, England, 1825-02-19 00:00:00

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30, sT RA N I), London;
And sold in every Town in the Kingdom.
LIQUID, in Bottles, 6d. 10d. 12. i. and isd. each.
Also PASTE BLACKING, in Pots, 6d. led. and Md. each.
A Shilling I'ot of Poste is equal to Four Is. bottles of Liquie.
Ask for WARltliN's Baching.

SOUTHALL, on the UXBRIDGE ROAD,
Near the Tenth Milestone.
VALUABLE BUILDING.GROUND,
ABOUT ELEVEN ACRES,
With valuable Brick Earth,
TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION,
By Mr. ROBINS,
(Of Warwick-House, liegelit-street),
At Garraway's Coffee-house, 'Change-alley, Cornbill,
On Triennia. the 17th of March, 1825, at Twelve o'Clock,
IN ONE LOT,
By Order of the Executors of the late JOHN WILLAN, Eaq. deceased,
A VALUABLE FREEHOLD ESTATE,
com-
prising an Enclosure of Land, containing about
ELEVEN ACRES,
abounding with a Seam of capital Brick Earth, situate at Southall,
in the County of bliddlesex,,Dear the Tenth Milestone.
To be viewed by applying to Mr. Hawkins, of Southall, of whom
Particulars may he had ; also, at the Red Lion, White Hart, and
George, Southall; White Horse, Uxbridge; Ohl Hats, Ealing;
Pigeons, Brentierti ; Star and Garter, Kew-Bridge; of Mr.f.yon,
Solicitor, Great Itusbell-street, tiloomstatiry-square; at Garraway's;
and of Mr. Robins,l7o, Regent-street.

AVERY VALUABLE LEASEHOLD ESTATE,
held under his Grace the Duke of Bedford, fur a long
term of Years, at a low Ground Rent—Comprising
A Capital and SUBSTANTIAL RESIDENCE,
Commodiously planned, handsomely fitted up, and adapted for
the accommodation of a Gentleman's Family; situate No. I,
Montague street, Russelt-square—Containing,
On the Upper Floor—Two secondary Bed-chambers, and throe
Rooms fur Servatas, Store Room, and ifousemaid's Closets.
Second Story—Three Capital Bed-Chambers, two Dressing-
Rooms, and a Water-Chnet.
Principal Floor—A Suite of three spacious lofty Drawing Rooms,
elegantly fitted up, and communicating by foltliug doors; Marble
Chimney Pieces, Ste.
Ground Story—An Entrance Hall, with Vaulted Roof, enclosed
by foldiug-doors ; Vestibule; capital Stone Staircase, and looms.
landing; an excellent Dining-Parlour, Library, and Gentleman's
Dressing-Room; Steps to the Garden; Housekeeper's Room in the
Basement, and all requisite Offices; excellent Cellars for Wine, Beer,
&c. Vaults for Coals, Ike. '
Tfte'PrehiTses are desirably situated for any-Professional Gen-
tleman, or those whose avocations may require their attendance in
the City.
In blontante Mews, a Stable for roof' Horses; Double Coach-
house, with Loft and Men's Room over, enclosed by a Wall and
folding Gates.
To be viewed by Tickets • Particulars may be had on the Pre.
mists; at Ganaway's ; and of Mr. Robins, Nu. 170, Regent street.

MOST ADVANTAGEOUS INVESTMENT.
CAPITAL FRF.EHOLD F.STATRS,
WHARFS, WAREHOUSES, DOCKS, exce4ent DWELL-
ING-HOUSES, ace. with a Frontage to the RIVER
THAMES, nearly •
EIGHT HUNDRED FRET,

TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION,
By Mr. ROBINS,
(Of Warwick House, Regent-street),
At Garraway's Coffee-House, 'Change-alley2 Cort:hill,
On THURSDAY, the 17th of March, 18.2.5, at 'Twelve o'Clock,
IN FIVE LOTS,
{ENE IJNPIVIDED THIRD PART of FREE-
‘../ HOLD ESTATES, situate in the Parish of ST. MARY,
ROTHRRHITIIE, occupying a Frontage to the RIVER
TH A M ES, of nearly ti
EIGHT HUNDRED FEET,
With excellent Dwelling-Houses and Tenements ; spacious Wharfs,
Shipwright's Yards, Workshops, extensive W.ireimuses, Docks,
Boat-Houses, and numerous other Erections and Buildings stand-
ing thereon; also, sundry Cottages and Building', Yards, dm on
the opposite side of the street.
_ Part of the Estate is in the possession of Messrs. Hasikes anti
Carr, Ship Builders, under a Lease granted to the late Mr. Joshua
Young, wiiich expires in 1844; part on Lease to Mr. Burr, which
expires at Lady Day, 1828; and the remainder on Lease to the
Executors of the late Henry Sindrey, Esq. Mr. Alloway, and
Mr. Jennings, which expires in 1829 and 1830, at low old ground
rents of nearly Seven Hundred per Annum, for the ertirety, but
estimated to be worth, at the expiration of the Leases, upwards of
THREE-THOUSAND POUNDS PER. ANNUM.

A most desirable and Capital Investment, and certain improve-
abte property.
May be viewed by applying to the Tenants, and of Mr. Overton.
at•the sign of the Swallow Galley, opposite to Mr. Burr's, or of
Mr. Thomas Wade, 165, opposite the E-tate, where Particulars
may be had ; at Garraway's; of l',:essrs. Tennant and Harrison,
Gray's Inn-square; of Messrs. Black, Chapman, and Webb,
Middle Temple 11411-stair-case; and of dr. Robins, 170, Resell:-
street, where a Plan of the Estate may be seen.

NORTHUNIBEILLAND.
BETWEEN MORPETH, ALNWICK, Ece.
HIGHLY VALUABLE AND IMPROVABLE
FREEHOLD ESTATES.
THE MANOR OF LEMMINGTON,
CAPITAL MANSION, and OFFICES, PLEASURE
GROUNDS, GARDENS, WATER CORN-MILL, COL-
LIERY, FARMS, and LAND,
And the LOW LEARCHILDS F.STATE,
fir aIl ABOUT TWO THOUSAND AND SIXTY ACRES.
TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION,
By Mr. ROBINS,
(Of Warwick Horse Regent-street),
At Garraway's Coffee-House, 'Change-alley, Combine London,
On THUODAY, the 14th April, 1825, at Twelve o'Clock.
IN ONE LOT.
By order of the Trustees under the Will of NICHOLAS Faxwacx
Esq. deceased,
THE truly VALUABLE and very IMPROVABLE
FREEHOLD ESTATES,

4101,1141116
The MANOR or REPUTED MANOR of LRMMINGTON,
Abounding with Pheasants, and Game of every description.
The CAPITAL MANSION, LEMIIINGTON lIALL,
Erected at a considerable expense, on a fine commanding emi-
nence, embracing extensive and luxuriant Views, conveniently
Planned, and handsomely finished, and adapted for the accommo-
dation of a

FAMILY I? THR FIRST RISPECTABILITY.

With excellent Offices of all descriptions; Coach-houses, and -
Stables for Twenty-four 'Horses, &c. and Lodging-rooms over ;
Gardens walled; delightful Pleasure Grounds and Land. forming
a beautiful Park in front of the Mansion, surrounded l.y fine
thriving Plantations and extensiveyoods, stored with fine Oak
and other Timber.
The Mansion and part of the Lands are in Possession of John
Allen Wilkie, Esq. Tenant from Year to Year.
Sundry most eligible FARMS, with good Farophonies, Offices,
and all requisite Agricultural Buildings; capital rich Mvudow,
Pasture, and Arable Land, divided by thriving Hedge,. In the
occupation of Messrs. Thompson, Appleby, and Smith, as Tenant*
from Year to Year ; also sundry Cottages.
A capital W ATE H. CO R MIL L, rich old Meadow Land.
In the occupation of Mr. Fenwick Turnbull, Tenant at Will.
Together with a Plot of MOOR LAND, about
FOUR HUNDRED AND FORTY ACRES,
Abounding with Mack Game and Grouse, &c.
A Valuable STONE QUARRY, and a COAL MINE, with
a great Body of Coal, which may be worked to a considerable
depth, without the aid of Steam engines, as it is a dry level.
Also, a valuable Estate, LOW LEA RCHI LDS FARM, adjoin-
ing the Lemmington Estate, Farm-House and Outbuildings, in
possession of Mr. Pallister, tenant from year to year; with pictu. •
resque Sites for Building; overlooking the Vide of the Ain.-
The whole of the above Properties contain about •
TWO THOUSAND AND SIXTY ACRES,
Beautifully Timbered.
The CORN TITHES on nearly Thirteen Hubdred Acres of the
Estate, are held on Lease, lately renewed, under the Dean and
Chapter of Durham.
The Estate is in the Parish of Edlingham, about four miles
from Alnwick, ten from the Port of Almonds, on the high
Turnpike-toad to Edinburgh.
The whole forms a most desirable Property fur Investment ..and
for Residence for a Gentleman fond of Field. Sports, &c.
Mr. Wilkie will permit the Mansion-House, Gardens, Pleasure-
Grounds, and Lands in his occupation to be viewed. 011 application
to him. The Tenants will sbew their respective Farms; and Mr.
Thompson, of Leiiimington Branch Farm, will shew the Woods
Platitations; of whom Particulars may be bad; also at the White
Swan, Alnwick ; Blue Bell, Belford ; King's Arras, Berwick ;
Bush, Carlisle; Turk's Head and George, Newcastle-upon-Tyne;
Waterloo Hotel, Durham; Angel, Ferrybridge; Black Swan,
York; Ausel, Doncaster; George, Stamford; lieu and Chic...cos,
Birmingham; of Mr. Brumeba.golicitor, 3lorpeth ; of Moms.
Stephenson and Bateman, Solicitors, Southampton-buildings, Chan.
eery-lane kat Garrasvay's; and of Mr. Robtus, No. 170, Regent.
street, London, where a plan of the Estate may be seen.


PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS,

NOUS* OF LORDS, FEBRUARY 18.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL presented certain Papers, by com-
mand of his Majesty, and moved that they be referred to the Com-
mittee of Inquiry on the State of Ireland.—Ordered.
The Earl of H A RROWI3Y moved that the Committee on the
State of Ireland do report from time to time, and that the evidence
taken before it be printed also from time to time.—Ordered.
Mr. Spice*, from Chelsea Hospital, presented an Account of
Unclaimed Army Prise Money.—Laid on the table.
Lord SUFFI ELD gave notice, that on Thursday next he
should introduce a Bill to their Lordships relative to the use of
spring guns for the preservation of Game. He did not hesitate to
say that his object was, that the use of spring-guns should be ilk-
gal. It was his firm belief: that it was now illegal, but as the point
might be contested, he wished it to be entirely settled by a decla-
ratory Bill on the subject. No Noble Peer in that House, and he
vas convinced no man in the kingdom, would deny the propriety
of making the law decisive on a point which affected the lives of his
Majesty's subjects. Neither did he conceive that any individual
would be found to defend the practice of setting such dangerous
Weapons.—Adjourned till Monday.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The &MAIM took the Chair at four o'clock.
This being the last day for presenting Petitions for Private Bills,
the House was occupied with them for a considerable time.
Mr. MACQUEEN presented a Petition for the establishment
of Provincial Banks in Ireland.—Referred to a Committee.
Mr. W. COU RTENAY presented a Petition for leave to bring
in a Bill to establish a Fish-market in Hungerferd-street.—Re-
ferred to a Committee.
Lord LOWTHER presented a Petition for a Bill to incorporate
the British Gas Company.—Referred to a Committee.
Colonel TRENCH presented a Petition for establishing the
Thames Quay Company.
Sir J. YORKE hoped the House would pause before it would
consent to sacrifice its judgment to any notions of taste which the
gallant Colonel might entertain. He respected his gallant Friend's
talents greatly. No man wrote better—few spoke better—and he
skew admirably—(A laugh). But it was a delicate question, whe-
ther the property of the persons residing on the banks of the Thames
ahould be sacrificed to a plan which would exceed in filth all the
fish-markets, sewers, and even all the essences of his gallant Friend ?
Laughter). Referred to a Committee.
Mr. ESTCOURT presented a Petition from Devizes, praying
for a reduction of the Duties on Tobacco.—Ordered to lie on
the table.
I.ord BELGRAVE presented a similar Petition from Chester.
Mr. .1. WILLIAMS moved for a Return of all the Cases de-
termined in the Court of Chancery from Hilary Term, 1823 to
1825, with an Account of the manner they were disposed of.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said that he did not object to the Return,
but only asked that the forms of the House should be complied
with, and the regular notice be given.
Mi. WILLIAMS said, that he would now make only so much
of his motion as was a continuation of the motion of last year, and
for the rest he would give the regular notice.—The motion, so mo
'laird, was agreed to.
Mr. S. RICE presented a Petition from the Roman Catholics of
the County and City of Limerick, against the measures now before
tile House for the suppression of the Catholic Association. The
Petitioners prayed that the House would take no steps against an
Association which was now legal, and allot whose acts had tended
to promote the order and tranquillity of the country.—The Petition
was ordered to be printed.
Colonel TRENCH had to eresent a Petition to the House of
an opposite nature to the last, from the Clergy of the Archdeaconry
of Ely. The Petitioners stated their alarm at the proceedings of
the Catholic Association, and I rayed for its suppression.—Ordered
to be printed.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT presented a Petition from the Roman
Catholic Inhabitants of the Parish of St. Anne Audreon,
pr.-.yirg that the House would not suffer any Bill to pass into a law
which had for its object the suppression of the Catholic Association.
The Petitioners stated that they owned property to the amount of
4.400,c00, all of which was embarked in manufactures and com-
merce, and watild be endangered by the disturbance which they
feared would arise if any such measure were adopted. Bur they
viewed the Bill before the House with greater apprehension, as it
applied to the liberties of the people at large, than for its effect upon
the Catholics. The Right Hon. Baronet called to the attention of
Gentlemen of this country, that by this Bill they were establishing
a precedent which might hereafter be adopted with regard to Eng-
land with the most serious detriment, it not the total destruction of
liberty of the subject.—Didered to he printed.
Sr J. NEWPORT presented Petitiousoiniilar t* thelast, from
Team, Drogheda, Cashel, the Barony of Iffa and Offa, in the
County of Tipperary, two fr:.ll the Barony of Upper Ormond, and
from Itoscrea.—They were severally ordered to be printed.
Sir T. LETHI3RIDGE rose to present a Petition
from a large body of his Constituents, whom he con-
sidered to be justly alarmed at the proceedings which
had lately taken place in the Sister Kingdom. They
earnestly called upon the House to put in effect such
measures as in their wisdom they should think fit, for
the purpose of a check to such an alarming and illegal
Body. The Petition was from the Inhabitants of the
City of Wells and its vicinity ; and it stated the
opinion of the Petitioners, that the acts of the Catholic
Association Were intended and calculated to subveit the
Protef..ant Establishment. They felt that the over-
throw of the P.tpal power had been the source of the
prosperity of the Empire ; and although they were
friendly to religious toleration in its utmost extent, they
could not consent to the extension of political power to
the Catholics. They considered this Association to be an
organised confederacy assuming illegal powers, which
must, if allowed to exist, lead to dreadful and awtul
results—more pat titularly as it was in the hands of that
All-influential body, the Popish Pt jests. The flop.
Baronet expressed his concurrence with every word
contained in the Petition, and his conviction that if
some such measure as that now in progress through the
House had not been brought forward by the Govern-
meat, the table would have been covered with Petitions
of a similar nature. He had read the Bill, and he
found in it nothing at variance with the best interests
of the British Constitution, and nothing which did vio-
lence to the liberty of the subject--..-(1-/ere,
He would not detain the House now, when a motion upon the
subject was coming on from the Honourable and Learned Member
for Winchrlsea, the object of which was, as he understood, that time
Catholic Association should be heard by Coensel again.t the fill.
If so, he hoped that every other Association would have the same
opportunity afforded Mem. Ile should be surprised indeed if he heard
the Honourable and Lelitne4 Gentleman object to this, because be
advocated the very same principle three years ago.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, that with all the respect
which he sincerely entertained for the undeviating con-
sistency of the Honourable Barouet—for the unvary-
ing steadiness with which he had ever pursued the s,.rne
line of conduct upon this question, and giving him
credit for the perfect sincerity of his motives, he must
beg leave to exercise the liberty of conveying to the
1-louse soros informatiOn which had come to his know-
ledge respecting the manner in which this Petition was
got up. Nothing, however, which he was about to
state, should influence his vote as to the question that
the Petition be laid upon the table ; because he consi-
dered that no trickery or management in the getting
up of a Petition, should affect that important right of
the subject. But there were a few anecdotes of which
he had been apprised, by a letter coming from a Gen-
tleman of considerable rank in the neighbourhood, and
who was nearly connected with some parts of the Go-
vernment, with which he was desirous to acquaint the
_louse. He was, then, informed that the Petition had
been first sent to an Inn from the office of an w.torney,
who was the tool and agent o' the Honourable Baronet
vho had presented it—(flear,.hear). He entirely ac-
iitted the Honourable Baronet of all participation in
matter, and it was most likely that be was perfectly
ignorant of the facts be was about to state. This attorney
was not only the agent of the Hon. Baronet, but also
the active agent of the Wells party, who bad been tails-
_

ing the cry of a No Popery,". for the purpose of turn-
ing out the present representatives of that city—
Messrs. Tudway and Taylor. The letter which he held
in his hand stated that a Mr; So-and-so (he should
mention' no names) rode about canvassing for signatures
to this Petition, and went to a school close to the gate
of the writer's house, telling the schoolmaster that he
must get as many names as he could. The school-
master agreed, an d forthwith put down the names of
all those boys in the school vilto could not write—
(Laughter)—and all who could were ordered to sign
their own ; and they went home bragging that they
had supported " brick and mortar:" He should here
apprise the House, that the party'opp. osed to the pre-
! sent Members fur Wells were called " the brick and
mortar" party, and so these boys actually went home
bragging of the service they had done to brick and
mortar. Having succeeded so well with this worthy
schoolmaster, the Gentleman thought it right to see
what could be done with certain persons of a more
advanced age; and accordingly he went into the vil-
lage, and attacked a body of old women, to whom he
gave the agreeable intelligence that the Irish Papists
were all coming over to cut their throats--(Laughter).
Whether they did not exercise the same controul over
their husbands in this as in some other matters, he
could nut say, but they were unable to compel them to
sign their names, until prevailed upon by the terrors of
their afflicted spouses at the fear of having their throats
cut by the Papists of Ireland. With regard to the other
signatures to the Petition, he was informed that they
numbered none of the Canons of the Cathedral, nor
any of the Gentry who were not of the electioneering
" brick and mortar" party. Now they might not have
such accurate accounts of the getting up ot other Pe-
titions, where the senseless cry of " No Popery" was
raised ; and he had, therefore, made this communi-
cation, in order that the House might be aware of their
real character. He entreated the House, therefore---1
not that they would not receive such Petitions—but that they
would take them for what they were worth, and at all events
coasider those which came from the Catholics of Ireland as not un-
deserving of attention.
Sir T. LETHBRIDGE said, he had heard with very
considerable surprise, the letter which had been quoted
by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. In the first place,
that any one should take such means of procuring sig-
natures to a petition; and further, that such a letter
should have been written. But the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman had given no name—(Hear)—and until he
did they were not bound to believe the statement. It
might have come, for anything, they knew, from the
schoolmaster or any one of his scholars. He must say,
that he was perfectly astounded at its intelligence,
for he was entirely ignorant that any such party-pur-
poses had given rise to the Petition—(Hear, hear).
Ile knew that it was signed by Magistrates and Clergy, and he knew
that it was also signed by many hundreds, he might say thousands,
of the most respectable inhabitants and yeomanry of the neighbour-
hood—(Hear). The communication made by the Lion. and
Learned Gentleman was so puerile in its nature, that till he had it
from the first authority, he should not consider it entitled to the
slightest regard or belief.
Mr. BROUGHAM repeated that he never suspected
1 the Hon. Baronet of knowing anything of the manner in
which this Petition had been obtained. It was not usual
to advertise the names of private individuals in their
debates, and he bad abstained from mentioning the
names of any of the parties. Ile could assure the Hon.
Baronet that the writer of the letter was a Gentleman living in the
neighbourhood, possessing considerable rank and character, and
highly entitled to respect.
The Petition was then ordered to he printed.
Sir MARCUS SOMERVILLE presented seven
Petitions from the County of Meath, against the Bill
for suppressing Associations in Ireland.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. M. FITZGERALD pi eseoted a similar Petition
from Trilee—Ordered to he printed.
Mr. M. FITZGERALD also begged to call the at-
tention of the House to a similar Petition from the
Town and neighbourhood of Killarney. He was sure
that he had only to mention the names attached to the
Petition, to convince the House that it was one of no
ordinary character. When the Ilouse learnt that the
name of Lord Kraut:ire was amongst them, they would
be convinced that every Catholic in lieland was united
in this remonstrance against the proposed Bill. The
Right lion. Gentleman then highly eulogised the
conduct and character of Lord Kenmare and his family,
alluding to their unshaken loyalty, and the military ser-
vices ot his Lordship's brother.
Lord NUGENT took the opportunity of stating to
the House, that the British Roman Catholic Commit-
tee, at a meeting held that day, had drawn up a Peti-
tion which was now in a course of signature, and which
he should on Monday present to the House. The Fed.
tion would be that of the Roman Catholics of Eng-
land, with the Earl Marshal at their head. It would
state that they felt the utmost sympathy with the Ca-
tholics of Ireland, and earnestly entreat the House that
rho Bill now before it might not pass into a law. lie had been
expressly desired tostate that the Petition had been drawn up with-
out any communication whatever. either directly or indirectly, with'
the Ronan Catholics of Ireland.—Ordered to be printed.
Sir F. BURDE FT piesented a similar Petition from
certain Roman Catholics in Ireland. The Honourable
Baronet briefly addressed the House, and said that he
should not detain them, as his Hon. and Learned Friend
was about to submit a motion which would have for its object to let
the Petitioners have an opportunity of gluing themselves justice, and
to du the I louse the justice of hearing' before it' condemned.—
Ordered to be printed.
Upon the motion of the CIIANC,ELLOR of the EXCIIF.-
</Li Elt, the House went into a Committee of Supply, when seve-
ral t capita' of fut in, relating to Exchequer Bills, were agreed to.
The Chairman reported progress and the House resumed.

CATHOLIC A SSCCI A T10N..--•HEA RING UN COUNSEL.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, that in rising to submit the
proposition of which he had given notice on the pre-
ceding night, be felt all the anxiety which was natu-
turally to be expected by one who placed himself in the
situation of calling upon the House of Commons to de-
cide upon one of the most important questions, he
would venture to say, that ever came before it. At al-
most any ether period, and under almost any other cir-
cumstances, so far should he be from considering the,
proposition he was about to make as one of grave, im-
portant moment, that he should treat it as a business of
every day occurrence, and a mere matter of course ; be-
cause it had been so invariably and entirely the prac-
tice of that House to condemn no parties unheard, that
he should never have given a thought to the idea of
meeting with opposition. But horn something which
passed last night—from certain symptoms which he had
observed on the other side, evincing a disposition to
hurry this measure through with an impetuosity which
disregarded all obstacles, he felt misgivings in his mind,
that the motion he was about to submit would be con•
tended against and contested. He found, to his un-
speakable surprise, that Gentlemen were not only satis-
fied with making up their minds to support the mea-
sure upon that inconsistent, broken-down, partly-ex-
plained away, and altogether unhinged statement of
facts with which it was introduced; but when those

facts came to be investigated—when the parties came
forward with the humble, but firm Petition, and said,
as had been well observed by his Honourable Friend,
o Strike, but hear ;" then he found that,theise persons,
having so greedily swallowed that statement of facts so
utterly iricsnsistent, and so capable of disproof—Were
ready to say that they wanted no further information
—that strike they would, but hear they would not.
He could not disguise to himself, that if these suspicions
were correct, as he feared they were, this would be the
most important decision. ever taken by the House, and
one which must involve the most serious, he would
say, tremendous consequences to the empire.
Good Gon ! Were six millions of people to be refused
time to be heard against such a charge as that pre-
ferred by the present Bill? Were they to be told that
the House of Commons, clasping that charge to their
bosom, were ready to convict, sentence, and execute ?
yet not one word would they hear in the shape of a de-
fence! Let them look at the situation of those dis-
tinguished men who stood at the head of. the Catholic
Association. He should abstain from debating over
again the matter which had occupied them so much—
not that be thought the subject exhausted; on the con-
trary, it was worthy of being debated over and over
again, might after night, upon every Petition relating to
the subject, upon eve, y stage of this ill-omened mea-
sure—and even after it had passed, if pass it could, it
would require and demand further and .repeated dis-
cussion. But the question which he was now propos-
ing stood so clear from the larger one upon which they
decided the other night, that any Gentleman who then
voted for the bringing in of the Bill, might most con-
sistently and most rationally support the motion with
which he was now about to trouble the House. Were
he one of those persons who most desired the passing of
the Bill, he vowed—and he spoke it conscientiously, that
'he should be most anxious to pave the way for it by
hearing the prties at the bar of the House. The more
pressing the responsibility, the more dreadful the con-
sequences to be expected from the measure, the more
anxious should he be, to adopt it upon the fullest
investigation. To bear the parties was the only way
6; which the facts upon which the Bill was pre.
tended to be supported could be maintained. II
they wished to take away from the Catholics of Ire-
land all possibility of cavil, if they wished to prevent'
them from saying that the Legislature had dealt hastily
and cruelly With their rights—they must support the
facts upon which the measure was proposed; and be
(Mr. B.) stood there, authorized to tell them, that the
parties were ready at their door, to prove, by clouds of
witnesses, that thoseracts were erroneous, and altogether
capable of entire disproof. Upon facts alone could
such a Bill be supported. It professed to go upon facts,
and, indeed, no man could venture upon speculative
reasoning to propose a legislative measure as applicable,
to such a subject. There were topics where reason was
sufficient ground ; such as the consolidation of the
Excise Laws, or the business of the Court of Chancery ;
although in the latter ca‘e his Hon. and Learned Friend
the Member for Lincoln, had not satisfied himself with
taking that position alone. If ever there was a case in
which notoriety might have been the ground of pro-
ceeding, it was that one in which there was no man in
the country who did not practically feel the enormous
weight of the grievance. Yet his Hon. Friend brought
to his support great eloquence, great powers of ridicule,
much of admirable commentary—as the ground of
what ? Not of legislative enactment, but of the appoint-
ment of a Committee to inquire into the truth of the
facts which he had stated ! He trusted that his Hon. and
Learned Friend was pursuing, as he knew he was, those
exertions which would confer so much benefit upon his
country. He trusted that he would not be deterred by
airy mock proceedings—he begged pardon—by any par-
tial proceedings, as they had been described by his Hon.
and Learned Friend the Solicitor-General—himself a
Member of the Commission. How much more ought
the present measure to rest upon facts which were in-
disputable and undisputed ? Yet if ever there was a
measure more completely spun out of the theoretical
bran of its author than any other, it was the present ; and
little and few as the facts were upon which they were
,called upon to legislate, he stood there, author iced by the
Catholics of Ireland, to tell the House that they were
ready with clouds of evidence to prove that little false.
it was much to refuse that just request. It was much
to turn round and say that they wanted no evidence—.
their minds were satisfied, and the measure should pass,
be the statements they had heard accurate or erroneous.
He knew what the English of this was. There was
;some in that House who did not want to see the Peti-
tioners at their bar, because they haunted them enough
as it was. There were those who felt that all their
measures had been levelled against the suffering Ca-
tholics of Ireland, and could not look them in the face.
They expected to see hosts flocking to the bar, and
thought there was no necessity for such a farce, when
they had already determined upon carrying the mea-
sure, whether the statements they had heard were true
or not. He hoped the House had not forgotten that
first, little, select portion of the Right Honourable Se-
cretary's statement of facts, which related to the case
lof Hanley the soldier. Would not everybody suppose,
who had heard the Right Honourable Gentleman's de-
scription of a Catholic population overwhelming this
poor man—this victim of religious fury—oppressed
and borne down by a prosecution, supported by the
wealthy purse of the Catholic Association—would not
everybody, nay, did not every man who heard the
Right Hon. Gentleman suppose that this soldierHanley
was a Protestant?—(Hear)—No such thing, he was a
Catholic and an Irishman—and the Catholic Associa-
tion prosecuted him for administering unlawful oaths.
This, then, might be taken as an example of the degree
of dependance to which thewhole statement was entitled.
There was another point upon which an explanation
'could be offered, not less satisfactory to those who were
alarmed by the cry of « No Popery," as it had been so
foolishly raised at Wells, and the-few other places where
there _were Cathedrals, and schoolmasters, and little'
boys who could not write, and terrified old women!
The cry so raised, and the purpose it was intended to
answer, had found a strange support in the allusions
they had heard to the resolutions which had been
brought forward by his Honourable Friend, the Mem-
ber for Aberdeen. He admitted the right of bringing
forward that topic as a fair debating advantage on the
part of an opponent of the Catholics. But suppose
it could be shewn upon the first evidence at the
Bar of that House, as being the known, and decided,
and deep-rooted, constantly professed, and constantly
entertained opinion and feeling—the deep and steady
feeling of the most eminent individuals entrusted with
the management of the Catholic Association—that how
severely soever, how conscientiously soever, how en-
thusiastically soever—with how much soever devotion
they regarded the interests of their owu Church, and

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how acutely soever they felt bet peesecutioea—that
t:.ey were the first to deprecate the idea—the first to
abjure the idea of the ene tithe part of one tithe being
transferred from the Protestant to the Catholic
Church ?—(Hear, hear, This fact spoke volumes.
It ought to discomfit those who tried out against the
Catholics from interested motives,-1-hut it ought to
comfort those who felt a sincere alarm it the alleged
dismemberment of the Protestant Church. In objecting
to this motion, let him not be met upon the pretence of
delay. He desired to be understood that the parties
were here, and their witnesses ready. There ford
twenty or thirty of the principal members of the Acsog
ciation ready to be examined to-morrow, and the rent
could be here in time to prevent a day's delay. It need
not be feared that they should be detained by long
speeches—it was not for that purpose that the partied
desired to be placed at the bar. There was no neceiliti
for further proof of their eloquence, for all must bri
ready to allow them the possession of splendid talents=
They were not wanted at the bar to enlighten the uni
derstandings of the House. It was to give them tri op:
portunity of explaining- their own motives, which weri
aspersed—to vindicate their own Association, whicH
was aspersed—to defend their own country, whiCh was
laspersed—to maintain their own religion, which both
in it religious and political character had been as-
persed—that he wanted to see them there. He desired
to let them explain, what they alone could explain, he
wished to grant them the justice there which they could
not obtain elsewhere. It' reluctance were felt in any
quarter, or apprehensions entertained as to the effect of
bringing that House and the Catholics into collision, that
reluctance might give way when he stated that from
what he knew, and from everything he had seen of •
them, all parties would come out of the inquiry with
a much better feeling towards each other. The House,
aye, even such as had been most bitterly oppdied to the
Catholics, would be softened in their sentiments, and
they who represented the Catholic people of Ireland,
whether they departed with what they desired to obtain
or no, would go from their bar, carrying into the boo-
som of their country, and into the hearts of iheir court.;
try men—affections, gratitude, delight,—feelings from
which the people of' that country 1-ad been so long
estranged. They had an alternative, if they refused
this course; and it was that which they would do if
they passed this Bill, and which lie would plainly tell
them was all they dared to do—they would gag 'the
people of Ireland, and add that further penalty to their
already accumulated load of sufferings. lf, on the con-
trary, they were heard by the country and by Parlia-
ment, it would be the forerunner of conciliation and
concord throughout the United Kingdom. Without a
moment's delay, this blessing might be obtained. Thi
most distinguished leaders of the Catholics—the per-
sons distinguished for their rank, their property, their
influence, and their talents—were all here ready to give
evidence: in a word, Ireland was at the bar of the House
ready to enter into a solemn compact with Parliament ;
and would the doors be shut against them, and they be
suffered to go away with a stigma attached to their cha-
racter, which they had in vain implored to be permitted
to remove ? If that step were taken, the youngest
man present might not outlive the direful consequences.
—lt would evince a disposition to anything but conci-
liation, and might be expected to produce the bitter
fruit of disappointment and unremitted defamation.—
The Catholics indeed appeared to be doomed to every
degradation. The Earl of Liverpool, who daily re-
ceived every one else, would not see Mr.Eneas Nl4Don-
nell. His Lordship saw Orangemen in numbers, he
received the Secretaries and Agents of Bible and Anti-
quarian Societies, but lie could not condescend to grant
an interview to the Agent of the Irish Catholics. Would
that House then follow that example—would it say to
six millions of his Majesty's subjects, "we have nothing
to do with you—t' e cannot listen to your complaints
or your defence—we are determined to put you don n
by Act of Parliament?" Now this was the most grievous
mistake which the House of Commons ever committed.
It was even a greater error than that committed in 1766
and 1773, which subsequently cost the Crown of E.rg-
land America. When the ancestors of the present House
of Commons turned Dr. Franklin from its Bar, they
did not then know that he possessed the affections
and respect of the whole population of the United States
—they did not know that in rejecting his prayer they
were refusing justice and rooting discontent among mil-
lions of people. But it was very different now with
respect to the Catholic Association. The chosen De-
puties of the Catholics now sought to give evidence in
refutation of the charges against that body. These
men cause as the organs of their fellow-countrymen,
united in object and in opinion, and speaking the sense
of the whole Catholic community. If the House would
examine the statements in support of the measure fur
suppressing the Association by the evidence now ready
to be produced, one of two things must follow. It must
either be granted that the prayer of the Petitioners was
well founded and that the Bill was unnecessary, which
would effectually conciliate Ireland, or the prayer of
the Petitioners would be rejected, after a kind and
patient investigation of the subject, and the decision
of the House submitted to with loyal resignation.--
He was aware that Honourable Gentlemen on the op-
posite side would lament that it was not in their power
to comply with the Petitioners' demand, inasmuch as
they could find no precedents in support of such a
course. In his (Mr. Brougham's) opinion, the course
adopted in the year 1766, on the question of the
Stamp Act, was analogous to the one he now urged on
the House. The law was a general one, not affecting
or intended to affect particular individuals. The Peti-
tion laid before Parliament by the Americans was, in
January, 1766, referred to a Committee of the whole
House, and on that occasion the memorable testimony
was given at the bar by Dr. Franklin, which has since
become incorporated, in the:works of that great and
good man, with English literature. The Stamp Act
was subsequently repealed as he thought it ought to have
been, and he hoped the present obnoxious measure
would also be repealed. The example of 1766
followed in 1775, and he (Mr. Brougham) ventured to
predict, that in the debates of the latter period, he should
was
find the very arguments against conciliating the Ameri-
cans, which would be used during the present discussion.
[The Honourable and Learned Gentleman then entered
into a detailed account of the legislative measures and
events which preceded the independence of the United
States ; and contended that the case was analogous to
the contemplAtedaseasure against the Catholic Associa-
tion). .‘ 1 consider these arguments, Sir," continued
Nit. Brougham, " as sufficient for the support of my
motion ; but, before sitting down, I may, perhaps, be
f
allowed to say, that it must be in the recollection o
even the youngest Members of the House, that Petition!
similar to the present have been received, with Compel
,and witnesses; and I myself temember, that ply fug

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