Star.
London, England, 1806-07-15 00:00:00

for thebet ter prefervation of the public harbouts of
the united kingdom. The only object he had WAS to
prevent nuifances —Leave given.
MILITIA OPTICS'S' TAT.
Mr. WINDHAM moved the committal of the Mi•
litia Officers' Pay Bill.
the chair on there grounds, t ft, becau(c this wa. eta. •
blifhing a very fab urd principle to fay that men. he.
Sir_ W. ELFORD oppofed the Speaker's leaving
paid for their Cervices; fecondly, !amok it abandoned
the principle that the army
caufe they pofferred private fortunes, were not to be
and the militia were al-
it was brought forward at this late period of the ei-
fied,. Suppofe a Secretary of State had been told( by
ways to be on the fame footing ; and thirdly, hectare
his colleagues that he had a very good Oak in Nor-
folk, and therefore need require no falary, would he
think this reafonable ?
Mr. YORKE agreed with the Hon Barotot who
fpnke left, as to the time and the mode in whith tit,
meafure had been brought forward. But this fist of
impropriety attended molt of the meafures of the pre-
fent AdminiOration. It was the duty of the Right
Hon. Gentleman to have brought it forward weeks
and months ago. This was irritating the temper of
the Militia as well as that of the Volunteers. He would
nct have oppofed the Speaker's leaving the chair, be-
carife the pay to the veterans, under the new plats of
fervice, ought nor to extend to the Militia, had not the
whole, both as to Matter and manner, been fo entirely •
objeaionable.
Sir WM. ELFORD had no objedlion to ga into
du Committee, as he found, from the allafion to the
pay of the veterans, that an amendment was really
wanted.
Colonel BASTARD fad, that the faith of Parlia-
ment feemed now to be nothing, for that a Hem
engagement had been made that the Militia mould
always continue, io point of pay, on a footing with
' the Army. The Militia, by this meafure, was made
more dependant on the Crown, and the whole was
brought forward at much ton late a period.
Lord TEMPLE objected lirongly to the made in
which the gentlemen on the other fide argued the
quell ion, and their going into extraneous masters.—
Nothing that had been done by his Right Honoura-
ble Friend, could poffibly irritate the Volunteers,
though the Gentlemen on the other fide, if they
could find a (park, feemed well difpofed to puff and,
blow it into aflame. He had objeCtions to the Bill.
but the proper place to remove dsefe was in the Com-
mittee. Thesmeafure could not be brought forward
at an earlier puiod.
Mr. BANKES thought that it might have been
brought forward earlier. The Bin was perhaps in
Come points objeaionable, but he would not oppofe
the Speaker's leaving the chair.
Mr.WINDHAM °braved, thatGendemen feemed
to fuppofe that the changing cf the relative condi-
tion of the Militia and Army was i great fundamen-
tal innovation; bat it certainly was not. When the
Militia was railed it was neceffary to fixl ay,
and at that time the. pay of the army appeared the
molt fitting. This was all ; and to talk of the faith
of Parliament being pledged in this battlers was quite
abfurd., This was only a diferetionary alteration is
the relative condition of two bodies, different as to
the period and titian of their Cervices, as to the rank
of the Officers, and as to half-pay : for the army.
officers had half pay, while the militia, except is pars
ticular cafes, had none. A diffinaion clear onougis
had esifted before, and he protefted that he could
not have conceived before band that any objection
would have been made to this meafure. As to the ;
advice of the Right Hon. Gentleman over the way
(Mr. Yorke) that could only be Unused to in Cofer as
it appeared well founded and raafonable. Now, as he
totally differed from the Right Hon. Gentleman in
opinion, it mull be evident that he could not follow
his advice. As to the Captains of the Militia, la
doling out this (mall addition to the pay debt army
which was, however, all that could be properly al-
lowed in the prefent circumftancerof the country, be
could never advife that it mould be extended where
it was not really wanted. . •
Mr. PERCIVAL contended that the meatus
amounted to a breach of faith with the Militia.
Mr. GILES Waved that a militiaman did not ** I
enlift, he was compelled to ferve, therefore there was I
not any contrite ip eziftence between him and Go- ?;
vernment, and where there was not any contra& ori.
ginally with the principal, there could not by any
rational inference be any bond to the futsffitute or
reprefeatative of fuel perfon.
Mr. YORKE, in explanation, Paid he was ready
to apologize to the Houk, if he had made ufe of any
unparliamentary expreffion : be certainly had felt a
confiderable indignation at a bufinefs of fuch import-
ance being brought forward fo late in the Seffion.—
This indignation he meant to 'corers with the free-
dom which became a Member of Parliament, and
he hoped he had not tranfkrefred the proper bounds.
He had silo conceived, that he Taw a marked inat-
tention from the Right Hon. Secretary, with which
he conferred that he felt himfelf very myth hurt.—
Since the Right Hon. Secretary had, however, dif-
claimed what he conceived to have been a marked
inattention, he was ready to apologize to the Houfe
if he had been guilty of any irregularity.
Mr. PERCIVAL thought the arguments of his
Right Hori. Friend had been min-Rated. The great
objection to the Bill which was now prefented to the
Houk was, that it was upon a fubjea of fo much j
importance, that it was not fair to bring it forward at r,
fo late a period of the Solon, when there could be
but a very thin attendance of Members. It appeared
to him, that it would be very wrong in point of po-
licy that loch a meafure fhould be brought forward,
at a time that the Militia were in arms and embodied.
It was then no tittle to difguit men, whet we looked
to them for Cervices. He might be told, as he was
rmhoifehtwrhefiograLtrerthiede drohuiebtepdro,
phoornet
twhhaetththeery
the other night, about the Volunteer Drill Serjesnts,
ovne c eveno
u l could
venture to fay, that the Militia might refign. If then
it was allowed, that they could not reign, and that
the terms under which they entered were, that they
(hould be on the fame footing with the army, it would
he a violation of faith with them to place them now
upon a work condition than the army. Certainly no
little laving in point of economy could compenfate
for the impolicy of difgufling fuch a body as the
Militia, at a time when their Cervices were Co neceffary.
Mr. GILES confidered, that all the objections
which were made to every meafure on account of the
latenefs of the Seffion, amounted only to this qui.