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1110 w let up by Miniflers, as rather intended to be
a convenient proteaion to themfelves for the fn.
titre, than as any thing which Lord Sr. Vincent's cafe
would require. If Lord St. Vincent's condoe, which
would Rand inquiry, is to be oppofed to any inquiry,
then will others avail themfelves of the example, to
contend that they too, though they declined invefti-
gation, were equally confcious of reditude and merit.
And is this the way is do honour to Lord St. Vin. li
cent's charatder and fuperinrity ? Indeed, that Mini.
'Hers look more to the benefit of the example than to
the credit of the Fink Lord of the Admiralty, ap-
pears to me from the manner in which the motion
had been °petaled. It feems as if it were faid, we
will grant fuch papers as do not inculpate the Firft
Lord of tht Admiralty, and do not lead to inquiry.
Why then are others refuted ? Will it not be laid,
that they would have inculpated the Admiralty,
and led to inquiry ; and this is the way. in which
Lord St. Vincent's reputation is to be defended by
his Colleagues. The fame Right Honourable Cen•
Man, (Mr. Tierney), to whole defence of the Ad-
Usiralty I have jolt alluded, lays too, that there is
no complaint againft the Admiralty out of doors;
And alfo that the public were equally content with the
whole conduit of the prefent hlinitiers. As to the
general charader of Miniflers with the public I (ball
give no tellirsiony ; but if the condat of M; iilierb
were to be the fulijea of dikualon, and cizcided by
argument, it would not be difficult to (hew what the
public ought to think of them. Soifer me to Md.
irate this by a good humoured comparifun, which on
principles often afford the bell illuaration.—
Eas7nil elof Mohere's plays, a grave old Gentleman
Marries a young wife or loes fomething or other not
very fuitable to his charater. Every body, however,
is mightily content with what he had done, except
that when it is mentioned every one burllsout a laugh. I
lug. In the fame manner, though it happens Thai
*very body is fo well content with the prefent Mini-
lees. yet when their merits are fpoken of, it generally
produces a laugh, or at Ina a (mile. on every coon-
ensue. Different indeed is Loud St. Vincent in this
refpea from all his colleagues; and knowing that be
is in every refpeB a perfea contrail to them in =ah-
ead reputation, they with to bring him down to their
level, or at leak to kelter themfelves under his great
authority. But in order to arengthen the public
confidence of Lord St. Vincent, let the adminiaration
of the Admiralty be examined, and the Cervices ofJ
that Noble Lord will appear even more importabt
than titer have yet been effintated. In voting for
this mown on there grounds, • I am confcious that I
do that which private frieodthip and public duty
.0162111 referibe-
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE(WER
then tote, and (poke to the following cffet T---e. Sir,
I do not rife to (peak in defence of Earl St. Vincent,
for that has already been completely done by my
Right Hon. Friend. But 1 rife, Sir, to take notice
elf fon* of the comments which have been made as
to the mode in which my Right Hon. Friend has re.
*Red the recent motion. The Hon. Gentleman who
fpobe lea, has told the Houk that the only proper
mode of proceeding at prefent will be, to content to
ell the motions, or to negative the whole of
diem. I mull conies, that it is with Come degree
of pleafurs, I now hear it made a matter of re.
preach to his Majefty's Minillers. that they are
ready to give all the information which they can
gl_Wltt mfillently with the duty they owe to them-
MUn and to the public. 1 with the Hoof to un
Imbed what the principle is on which I propofe to
atom in pan of what has been moved for, and
refute the remainder. In the fira place I have no
ohjeakm to lay before the Houk an account of the
whole of our naval force. and of the number of men
now employed in our naval fervice. With refpeO to
the Noble Lord in Tuition, nothing has been flitted
in this place by any one which can put that Noble
Lord upon his defence. But on the fubjeel of defence,
nothing can be imputed to him, nor Ipoken to his
&amour. When at a juneure like the prefent, any
motion is made relative to the Elate of our naval de-
fence, fuch a motion will always be granted, and
every tutelary information will be given. But as to
giving an account of the number of gun valets
which have been contra lid for to be built, I contend
that would be highly improper, and, if fuch a motion
was granted, au inquiry mull be the unavoidable
torlequence; it would be abfolutely necafary to fa-
tidy the Noble Earl as to his conduit, and to Zip
a fatisfatory teafon to the Houk why a contra&
leas been made for the building of certain (hips. It
will be inspoffible to addrefs a Motion to His Ma.
jelly, for the purpofe of afeertaining the number of
vetch now buile:ing in merchants yards. I will
a&., is there any prefumption of blame againil the
Lords of the Adntitalty ; or is the conduit of the
Fins Lord fuch as to warrant an inquiry ? The
Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Fox) has thought proper to
draw a line of diltineion betwen Earl St. Vincent,
and the other kr vants of the Crown : and h_ thinks
hisnfelf entitled to declare, that he is the friend of
that Noble Earl. This is no uncommon praleice of
that lion. ex:Annan ; it is a favourite topic with
him to claim a friendibip with dittinguiffied endivi.
duals, %timelier the cor.dua of them comes under
dijeual m. In drat very way he claimed a '
Blip with Marquis Cornwallis at the time when lie
oppokd the thauks that were propoled, and after-
wards refuted, to that diainguilited Nobleman.—
This is the way the lion. Menlber thews hi, friend•
Sip to dillingudhed charaaers. For my part. Sir,
I will plain a very diffnent courfc from him." Mr.
Addington then contended that it would be a mifer-
s'as policy in Government to throw the whole weight
of our naval detente upon (itch veCels as gun brigs.
It woo d be making ufe of dwarfs. whets we had
giants in our hands to dearoy the mulquito fleet
of the enemy. After the very able and fatkfallory
eatements made by a gallant 'Seer (Sir E. Peilew)
Nora+ almott alsamed to add any thing to what be
bad fail ; but he felt himfelf.boeod, its additrtn to
that aut..arity, to quote the authority of another ra•
val piker (I..'aptsin Vay). who when alksd hi; opi-
nion IS to the efficacy or gun boat,. (aid, the) could
be of very little ufe in attacking the flotillas of the,
enemy along the enemy's coal. beraufe 111.1 could
not get clone enough to them ;—and, it they did,
they will be annoyed by batteries and troops of dra-
goon. on 601 t. There um a material dittos/riot; to
Ex made between (mall go., boats and gun brigs; the
latter were in many refixes ocelot. Of there brigs,
diets were twenty built iluriLs the leg war and Cc-

veral of them were lo@ ; and twenty-three mote were
ordered to be built during the prefent war. They
would have been built fooner, but that it was the
opinion of Earl St. Vincent, that the floops of war,
as being more ufeful and neceffary, fhould be firft.
built. In anfwer to the affertion of Admiral Berke-
ley, who laid, that there was a deficiency of 800
Oripwrights in the King's docks, he would fay the
affertion was unfounded. The number of men now
in the dock-yards was greater than in the fiat year
of the late war; and it fell Short of the greatefl
number during that war only by the number of 58.
But out of the men employed lag war, 300 were
Since difcharged as inefficient ; they had received
pay and did nothing. The number, therefore, dur-
ing the prefent war, was much greater than in the
lail. He would again trefpafs on the Houfe by
referring to the merits of his Noble Friend at the
head of the Admiralty, who had railed up-a hog of
enemies for himfelf, btcaufe he had let the axe to the
roat of corruption. Some of the heft MCA in the
country incurred a Share of obloquy with him. He
would contend thalthey had laboured as honourably
for themfelves as ufefully for the country. The pub-
lic felt a deep intereft to the character of Earl St.
Vincent. No man was better qualified to fill the im-
portant lunation he held. No man had ever more
eminently diginguidred himfelf in the fervice 466
country. The name of a certain Nobleman had been
once gated by a Member of that Houle, to be an bob
nour to England. The fame might be laid of the
name of Earl St. Vincent—llama & vestrakile se.

sae sewage & *sire weilwait lend prolkk genii. He
would jolt conclude by obferving, that if the prefect
motion was agreed to, an enquiry mull be the con
fequerce ; sad, at a moment fo important and criti-
cal as the prefent, that would be the worn way in
which the time of Parliament could be employed."
Mr. GEORGE PONSONBY animadverted with
confiderable feverity on the obfervations of the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer, refpeaing the condua of
Mr. Fox towards thole whom be defcribed as his
friends. No Gentleman had ever (hewn himfelf more
capable of every generous fentiment of friendlhip than
that Honourable Member. None had ever united to
bim(elf, after a long and unfuccefsful oppoiltion,
Melt a band of difinterefted and honourable friends
who adhered to him, notwithfianding all the difhd-
vantages that might have refulted from his confiant
difregard of the wiles of Courts and the frowns of
Power. Had the Right Honourable Gentleman op-
polite to him (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) car-
ried with him the Lime degree of friendfhip aad refpea ?
He had certainly, in the oblervations he bad made,
committed a fault contrary to his ufual prudence. If
tome friend of his had tapped him on the Moulder,
and bid him•look behind him, he would have fees
as inflame of this, perhaps, but a few benches be-
hind. The papers the Minifter had refufed were not
of Such a nature as to give information more impro-
per than thole he had granted. At. the fame tame
he bad no difpofition to call any kind of afperfion
upon the condo@ of the Fiat Lord of the Admiralty.
He knew that in Ireland his efforts were judicious
and ofefulin the extreme. In the view of our naval
defence, he fhould certainly give the preference to
large Ships over gun boats. Which, upon an extend-
ed view of the fubjea, was the moll vulnerable part
of the Empire, Ireland or England ? He thought no
Gentleman could hefitate to anfwer that it was Ire-
land. He was anxious for an inquiry. He had no
with to call any cenfiires on pall Adminiftrations ;
but he mull obferve, that he remembered a numerous
French fleet, with an army on hoard, under the
command of General Hoche, which lay off the coati
of Ireland for feventeen days, without a tingle Ship
of the line appearing to oppofe it. He had no kerne•
tion to venture the afertion, that had that army, with
its General, been there landed, it would have carried
that country, and held out for a confiderable time.
But now we had a large fleet blockading the port of
Brea ; and fhould the enemy efcape its vigilance, we
had another fleet off Ireland to beat him. The more
the Houfe inquired, the more they would prove the ,1
merits of the Noble Earl's charaaer. He was at
failed, it Teemed, by calumniators, for his virtues and
talents, particularly in his attack on the jobbers and
peculators. He was happy tohear that the Miaifier
was Such an enemy to corruption ; and he fuppofed
that the Admiralty was not the only department in
which it was dilcountenanced, and had alenoft cealed
to es& He was in favour of an inquiry, becaufe
he was Cure it would redound to the Noble Lord's
honour. It would be equally for the honour of that
Houk to clear up his charader in the eyes of the
country, and of the world. He Supported the motion,
not with a view afterwards of gains op to tic Throne,
praying for the difmiffal of Lord St. Vincent, but to
ellablifli the reputation and fame of one whole re
moval would be a mark of national ingratitude and
Shame.

Mr. STURGES defrnded the motion of his Right
Hon. Friend. The Hon. Gentleman thought that
Miaifters refufed to produce the papers moved for.
hccaufe they conceived the produltion of them would
lead to enquiry. Ile walled th:y would content to
lay the account of the number of artificers and 'hip-
wrights employed in the dock-yerds before the
Horde, who would therefrom be enabled to judge of
tl:e means ufed in the late war for rendering mole
efficient the Naval Defence of the Country. It would
be feen, that intim' of a deficiency in the numbers,
as Minitlers aliened. of not more than is, that up-
wards of Ito° was the masa number, if he was rightly
informed.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ex-
plained as to the nunibrt el fhipwrights, in
be conccivcJ lie had been midakcn by the Hon. Gen-
tleman. The number at the conclufion of the late
war was 3372; the numbers at prefent, nom the
4CCOUOhtb up to the on March cf this year, is 331 e
c,,nfe,ince.tly it would be teen theie is a deficiency of
$ only.
Sir WM. LLFORD fl.tted, that frveral perfons
had been difplaced in the Dock Yards, open flight
anJ trivial Founds. Ile Was proceeding in this line
of obfervatilit, v hen hr was called to older.

Mr. T. JPSIES—" This is the fir ft time I have
attempted to tro.lide the Houle, are, I hi pe it Mill
Indulge me while I make a few obliavati• n•. I
mutt fay. Sir, the mote litis queliion is agitatcd the
weals the arguments appear. A Right tioi:. Gen-
tleman (Mr. Pitt) has laid that the Admiralty has
not been &Clive. Let him look, Sir, to the Rate of
our marine, and he will find an anfwer. What, does
he come now to the Hoek to afperfe the charadia

of the Noble Admiral, whom, for t 7 years he has been
extolling ! I It feems odd, indeed, that from being
the advocate of that Noble Earl, he (hould now come
forth his accufer, aye, his public accufer (s issgh.)
We (hall now hear fpeech after flieeth, motion after
motion, from that Right Hon. Gentleman. For my
own part, Sir, I do not believe this motion is a ferious
one (i largh.) It is Paid it is made for a bet (A
laugh.) The Right Hon. Gentleman is like a cele-
brated female, of whom we have heard a great deal
lately. He has had a dream, (a ioad laugh) but whe-
ther a dream of palaces or places I don't know ;
certain it is, however, that he has thrown away his
cansishire kg. and now excl..ims with the female to
whoni I allude, Welcome pleafure, welcome coa-
lition, welcome co operation,' or whatever you pleafe
to call it. (Load laughing.) If the Noble Lord has
done what he ought not to have done, or if he has not
done thole things which he ought to have done, I
will be ready to oppofe him ; I will oppofc the real
Minifters of the Crown, thole Minifters who have
the willies of all the good and loyal. But, Sir, I
find no complaint or paper'upon the table complain-
ing againfi the Noble Lord. The Right Hon. Mem-
ber (Mr. Pitt) has no foundation but whifper. I
would therefore advice him to rife up and fay he will
not peels his motion ; that his own arguments are
bad, and that thole of his friends do not fupport
him." _ _

Captain MARKHAM hid, the number of lea.
men, in November left, was 76,000 ;--fiece which
time, an additional number, of about Scrota, had
been railed 1 making, with rs,ooo marines, 98,000
feamen and marines. The returns 'of the latter le.
vies, were up is the roth Milan', and had only been
made to the Admiralty, and not to the Navy. He
had, however, teen them, and vouched for their
being corral Captain Markham then entered into
a detailed anfwer to the objections made againft the
&Rem purfued by the pretent Board of Admiralty.
He concluded, with adverting to a motion formerly.
made by an Honourable Baronet (Sir W. Elford),
upon the difiniffal of a maker builder at Plymouth ;
a motion which was not feconded, and which, Paid
the Honourable Member," I withed to have fecond.
ed, that I might have an opportunity of aafwering
it."—(A laugh.)
Sir W. CUR PIS highly panegyrized the allivity
and vigilance of the Noble Lord at the head of the
Admiralty, in the blockade of the enemy's harbours,
in the diftribution of fquadrons in all parts of the
world, and in the effeaal protection of our merchant
convoys. He ridiculed the threats of the enemy, and
(aid, that while the fame vigilance was difplayed, he
could lay his bead upon his pillow, and Ileep with
perfect compofure.
Mr. COURTNEY thought the pretest difenffion
had thrown additional hare upon the character of
the Noble Lord; and proved that the preparations I
of the enemy for invafion were truly contemptible.
Mr. FONBLANQUE Paid, he writhed, if there
exifted any delays in our naval 'curs, to know
what they were, as he co red it his duty to
make every enquiry into a fubje& of fo meek ine.l
portance. It was, however, necelfary, to have a
cafe made out, wherein the Firlt Lord of the Ad.
miralty appeared to have been rearifs ; and, until
foal was laid regularly before the Houle, he could
not call for.the papers.
Mr. PITT replied in a fummary manner to all the
arguments that bad been advanced againft his mo-
tions, and expreffed his utter furprife at the line of ar-
gument which had been taken iti? in defence of the
conduct of the Admiralty—Dividing the °bites of
his enquiry into two great heads, t. 'That which the
Admiralty had done for our immediatedefence againft
the threatened danger of invalion, by veffels of
burthen capable of acting in Ihoal water ; and, 2.
What measures they had taken for fecuring a force of
larger Ihips for the future maintenance of the navy.
—ln there two divifions of his fubleB, which again
were naturally fithdivided, the Era into the charaaer
of the feveral adieus, and the manner of providies
them, either by conftruaion, or hiring them; the.
feCOlld, as to laying down 'hips in the royal dock
yards, or in the met chants docks, he examined all the
arguments which had been advanced in the courfe of
the day, and replied to them diitinaly. He paid a
high though an equivocal compliment to Mr. Tierney,
on the aaive and vigilant talents which he had (hewn
in oppoiition to the -King's Minifters, and lamented
that he thould hitherto have given no proof of equal
capacity, or of equal alertness in their defence. With
relpea to (mall veffels, and the indifpofition of the
Admiralty to all on the fyllem of their predeceffor s--
it was curious that they had aaed upon that fyftem,
only with leis vigour. They had found it necetrary
to take up hired boats, but they had done this with
a tardinefs that contradicted all their cry of alarm.
They had exclaimed againft the abufes which they
Wad found, or pretended to find, in all the branches
of the fcr vice, and yet the only part of the force
which they had provided againft the danger upon
which they had endeavoured to create a panic was
that which they had found in the decried fyflem of
their predecelfors. The tame argument applied to
the larger order of (hips, and to the difference be-
tween bnildiu in the royal and the merchants' docks.
The fcvere es againft the latter would have
been more grace el if they had (hewn that the King's
yards had been equal to the fitpply of the navy, or
that they had been ufed as far as they could go. But
the greatandunanfwered charge which he had brought
againft the Admiralty was, that raifing a cry of dan-
ger that they had made no adequate provifion again
it ; and that comparatively even v ith a time when in.
flead of the mighty preparation which the enemy had
now made of an artificial marine 'pistil us folely, the
had to contend with a:I the/powers of Euro; e, their
effot tswere every way interior to thefe at the end 01 the
Silt year of tbelaft war. And he eon:hided with a bril-
liant and beautiful panegyric . n the high naval
rafter, e xpluits, and gallantry of Lord St. Vincent;
but that no gratitude fur pati fitvicc I, no admiration
of deeds, hnwevcr they might operate onhis
mind again!! perlonal eolith e, or dam' in the way of
public reward, ghould ever pr event him from honedly
dileharging his duty, in honettly endeavouring to
provide for national (tc.tlicr.
Sir WILLIAM 11.1.1.ENEY raid a few words,
when the lloille leudly called t. r the que:liJn, and
the gallery was cleated.
On the amendment to Mr. Pitt'e motion, with the
intentints t, defeat it, the tlntribtrs were—

Aye. :31—Noes 13o.—Majority again& Mt. Pitt 71.
Adjuutoesl at ball twclve o'clock.

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(Arnim &fore.)

The &diatom on Mr. Prres motion kit night In the Hoofs of
Commies, turned out wally as we raid it would. The papers
moved (or were refuted by the Misliters, and we think way pro-
perly. Mr. Fox fupported the Menai, Mt. Set sea tr was Riltillft
H. The Houle was well amended.

A repose prevailed left sight, that an account had been received
of dae trial of MOREAU, who was Contested tole bat:Rita ; and
that General Pic mecum bad been executed. This report we con-
Oder to be premature. MOlltAlei trial, we have anderftood,
was to take place about the z ith or teth inftant.
The following particulars with regard to the apprebenfion of .
Pica tour may be relied on : The Ciril and Military Police had
been in parfait of him fur fcvmal days, as the Grand Judge fate.,
la his repeat to the Confab. Pofitive information was received
that he Sept on a Sunday sight at AL TA KILL es, a bneer, in Rue
Vivienne. The hoaft was fetrehei at two o'clock on die Tinftlay
morning. bat be was not to be found. M. Ta tit it and his fa-
mily, on being warmly urged, conferred where they had flamed
newton,. It was at the hook of one L u cc, Tacna a's
partner ; and there Ps was Unkindy apprehended by the
Minn of the °nand Judge, accompanied by the Coatmiffary of
Conassisoi, and 'Sifted by the picked Clawrarmerta--

Ls his led. but Mere la an alive mania Our Mm.

Pica moan had attempted to elude Ms:ovary by Whig ameba.
It IS laid too, in Come Dutch papers which have been received to
the sods, that he bad been a coaftderable time in the Theineries,
before his am.ft. To a qudtios refpeding the eaufe of his hav-
ing quitted England, he replied, that he left it to call General
Moa CA LI to account fee his modal towards him Moaeno de-
pounced him to the Diredery. Being further mired es to hio
having fees Moatoo, he Is fold to have anfwered, "After whet
has paled between us, we cannot fee each other but tweed
band."