Star.
London, England, 1823-06-05 00:00:00

HOUSE Ur COMMONS.

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Mr. 'HUME moved for several Returns of the number of,
persOts returned by the Sheriff of the County of Middlesex to
serve on Special Juries in the Court of Exchequer during the
last three years.—Ordered.
.The lion. Member presented a Pitition from the operative
Linen Manufacturers of Arbroath, praying that a Bill now in
progress through the Douse should not pass into a law. The
P.:Uttnn was very respectably signi:d, but he quite differed from
the prayer of it, as he was sure that the Bill of which they Qom-
plained was much misunderstood by the Petitioners.
Mr. CAMPBELL presented several Petitions from the In-
habitants of the bland of Sky and the neighbouring Isks,praying
foi some protecting ditty on Kelp.
Mr.COURTEN A Yinoved for leave to bring in a Bill to wan-
sislidate and cement the Laws relating to Bankrupts. It was not
his intention, at this stage of the proceeding, to enter into any
explanatioin of the details of the measure, but he should ptepare
the Bill with a! little delay as possible, leaving the bfanks to be
filled up at a future period. , Leave was given, and Mr. Cowie-
nay, with the Attorney at:d Solicitor-General, were triderild
reran the
Mr. KFINNEDY moved the Order of the Day for the-sea
coed reading of the Transference of Securities 8111. The SM.
and Learned Gentleman said, it was Id duty to state that this
measure had been referred to the Writers of the Sloe in Sent-
ladd,ln order that they might report their opinion upon it, sad
he was bound to add that the report was unfavourable to the
mlasnre, for in the arms proportion that this Bill sueoeeded the
interest of that Society vipuld be diminished.
Mr: 11. DRUAIMOND could have wished that the Bea.
Member had abstained from this attack upon the Writers of the
&Viet. He did not however wish to give any oppoiition to the
Bill.—The Bill was read a second tins*, and ordered to he re-
felted to a Committee of the whole House en Friday ant.
• tier. Alderman WOOD, seeing the Hon. Member for Seerser•-,
set in his place, wished to ask him if there was aay intuition st
removing the Jail of I Ichtster ?
.Mr. DICKINSON replied. that the jail had recently under.
gette very considerable alteration, and was meek improved.
Mr. GOULBURN moved for leave to bring in a Bill fat
the better administration of justice in the Court of Chancery in
Mixed—Leave given.
Mr. DICKINSON presented a Petition from the Wadies
Manufacturers of Somerset, praying tor the repeal of this duty
oh wool—Orderedto be printed.
Mr. H. BARING presented a Petition from Hendkpolgallast
tyre SRA Bill now in progress through the House.
A dressage from the Lords annotineed their Lordships,moree-
nlent to the Stanford Oar 11111, and other Bills.
Mr. DIibiNISON presented a Putties from eight
irttlie county of Surrey relative to the Poor Lewd. fil:eitbulle-
carted' with the Petitioners, that no persona should be charge.,
Me With this rate, yoseessidg a property of less dna sift a.
year. By the laws as they stood, the poor were demoralised, and
the fiat whdld be beggared. use Petition prayed tbat nipper.,
Van should acquiie a settlement who paid a less sum than X2O a
year —,Ordered to be printed.

FORSIGN WOOL MIT.
LOH MILTON presented a Petition from the Mer-
chantt and Manufacturers of Leeds, praying for the.
repeal of -the Duty on Foreign Wool. In presenting
that Petition it certainly was nut his intention to press
the repeal upon the attention of the House, partice-
lirly as there was a strong prejudice among the.
landed proprietors upon this subject. They fancied
that by this duty they raised the price of home pro-1
duced wool. He thought very differently ; he be-
lieved that wool was grown in too large masses to bet
elected by such a partial restriction.—The Petition
was brought up, and on moving that it should be read.
Mr. T. WILSON supported the prayer of the Pe-
tition. The assistance which the wool of this country
derived from an admixture of foreign wool was in his
°Onion very considerable.
Mr. CUItWEN should certainly wish for some
stile of duty to prevent the unequal pressure of the
that
but he by no means countenanced the opinion
that beneficial results would arise from a total repeal;
• The CH A NCELLOR of the EXC ii RQUEIL ',rift
conceived that the agricultural interest wa* likely to
be benefited by this duty. It was merely proposed
as a measure of revenue, and it had considerably prod.
(seeded the expectations which he entertained Of its
advantage when it was first. proposed. i`• ..- -
Mr. DICKINSON supported the Petition. ,-. ,
Sir 'C. BURRELL thought -that, as a mustily..A
j,ustice to the agriculturist, this duty should be retained.
Mr. PHILLIPS thought that this' duty could ,Tnt
exist without serious injury to the Matulfacttner, Wilko,
mixed inferior foreign wool with that of home eMeisti
Sir M. W. RiDLEY deprecated the throwing taxes.
frcm one portion Of the community upon . ismSther.
If, i solltVitoti !tacit possible to prevent tistrOpoTta - .
tion orfcrreilgu rags, a great benefit Would' . derived
to the Engiishileiders in, and manufacturers of; wool. i
Hob. H. U. BIINNET said duet he was amhotieset
by many persons in the wool trade, to vote for the
repeal of the tax on foreign wool. TWOlfect of thel
duty on fine wool is to prevent its coining to this
country, and thereby to lessee the ionstimption of
the CPAISe sOol, with ;ON& it. woulentirernine-he-
inixed. And thus wftgA inkirl4 gm- finieignef'Sin
injuicd ourselvesitisongh it vegeta enery one's month
that we withednwsk tobefree. Om thinwhowever,
'was clear, &atilt Eitlish Cortstreret'sftsibbiaferer.
4r,VVOQFAIOUSE obiefita matt* Hoc Mehl-
her for Yorks/site was the first in the 6:osuniitteit 40
idle fur ateteal ufthis cats; nidrisughbrints now the
ftratniestit If.. _ i
• Itr.S.WOlLlLMßidlieliadVsYlittiOrtfisitil '
1441
,to coovincuhiti that a free eisigirt .4 0,44 '. ` - ' I
Refit OA liecipia of ilhieiroontry. if Meat:
vised to export wool Mlle 'alum. gra logramik at
should be the last Mk ter object ti it, but that he

thought rather i racticaCziliAtio
elm
tible that coa wool, sloop
! a tea
ma tesu7ll4;Plenilitisridillthowelleuld‘ 4.lbciappaie4 fineted
't ggtodholohjeffe. —The 1 *ilint ,t,
1
, •
, and ordered to be laid on the fable.

Huddersfield. He had no doubt thattlif4uttstspt.

c.—strittgEtuaw not apply his obisWye,--
Merely to benefit-his own ccinstttueuts,iibut upon-Ilk
gpeeral view. of rite viliOleintia'ortant questipn. .
A-ClesultbrjeOuiersatimitheie took placeaerdsitie'
tiblitifetiteest. Lord t 14sot.Ty g..Wpirt lagy„ and
d
it BILIRIRLL, as towkat: seat !leant by.long wool.
. Mt. HUSKISSON saideit.syas fpr the Petitioners
to consider whether they would; hove this tax re-
pealed or not, but then they must be prepared Tor
similar repeal in other matters. Many of thed
totes respecting the exportation of ;wool weiea ail
grace to our Statutel3ooks.—Ordered to be printed..
•SIMACH OF,PRIVILEGE,
Mr. JONES begged to call the
rattention of. the
House to a .paragraph in the Morning Chronicle of
this morning, relative to the discussion last night, in-
die case of Mr. BortbwiCk. /le did not mean to
ieLthe conduct pursued to wards that individual was'
dot unjust and oppressive ;71-tit, uposi a. careful exa-
mination of the Papers, he did not feel justified in
voting for the Resolution, which imputed the stame
to the wrong quarter.
The SPEAKER. said, that unless the Honourable
Member followed up his observations with a nautical,
the dignity and privileges of the House would be in.
jured. Any public notice of the proceedings of the
blouse was undoubtedly a breach of its privileges.
Mr. JONES was thankful for the suggestion. He
had no wish to proceed to harshmeasures against the
Editor, but he mast discharge his duty.
The SPEAKER again begged leave to apprize.
the a:insurable Member, that any notice of their
proceedings was a breach of privilege ; but. he put
it again to the. Honourable Member, whether he
Would proceed or not ?
Mr. BOWES, noticed trui paragraph to vindicate
Himself fauns the Ayr being a partizan. He
Harb stxeat scarce toy the Editor of tbss Morning
CkiiMakthatbni:ut order ie. do justice to himself, he
Moved thatshe fislitor should he.called ta the Bar.
Mt. hoped, under all the citron.
cattees; that the Honourable Member *add *kb- '
ow hia
ilia. CANNING thought it would be quite irregu-
lite to enter into. discussion without a motion being
MOO the Hose. He eattestl/ hoped, Om whutsl
Had fallen trdfn the Chair, that tllCHonourable
*remold svithdraw hit metien, Tba. rianetiia:
.this Paper was general, and if the House were tokbel
dcatipiecrthe day after eyery-debate
,dbservations made upon the ner;44liy. •a great in-
'.ootivishilense would result. othee Member.see4,
,:tinzious to -revisit the dissinision of lest night.
Mr. It. MARTIN left aggrieved by the terni
`tizan ; he clid-ilet 'consider the mOrldn oijetirll A pre-
Oosierous motion.

Kr. JONES then withdrew his motion.

roost Live's.
, • Colonel WOOD apologiied to the House fOr occn-
;:jying their time upon the delicate subject of settle-
. meats under the Poor Laws. He .would nothavis in- ,'
traded upon their -notice_,. if he•-14ad not lent felt the
subecreonsteCtid with 'the cot and the liberties'
Of the liritish'•reskili, lie: had Sesolutione to pro-1
pea, wheel) wire- seoetioned- br many respectable
• and alsNipericas, and he -hoped they Irakt not lose.'
their effett or interest In consequence of the feebleness
of the advocate. ' He found no fault with the 43d. or;
timbals.; pt thecentrary,..he thought it ahonsane;
, Act. In that, Act be found not a word of the lawsOf setdement. ~I,ly the 990? of VASfusbash, hi was di-
tected
that poor person, applying or relief shoul4!*i
sent to the Isl Ate where' they had been for Oneleal"
before. I; was only elude .the ;Sib,
.and 44* q',
Charles the Second, that annuities weectiarewn.be
' the way of the poor mars, aed led to mat of the
' evils of which he new tornplitineL rho* Ads. •
considered a great iefringemeat npon tlso rights..;
the poor man. As the law new stood, a poor man
might be resident for forty year* in a parisbo and
' still, if he required relief, be cat dare artiotrtst
strangers (a most unwelcome visitor), merely bluetit
his father had lived in it distant part of the emissary.
The Honourable Member alit *donned to the di&
ferent Acts of Parliament oh this subject, down to
the 85th of George the Third.altthosse Acts, hoir-
I ever, tending. to degrade the poor, and produce end,
' less litigation. Thu law, however, Which said that
a poor man the** psty Cid * year, to qualift
,hifo
for p:. saahsteAsent4 was the
.Irtost issiqoittsus t4at
could beimagined..,llleith a law Neely required the
teribus intonesitialtof the Seem . • kr tibitikerlray
his 'Resold tiotte 1/0; reteibetiir. %pod' 'Oa` throe
Would be'lltitiViiit ;. sad •. - '`,oipar OitiO *ll4
cottages . et :kai:paisie a lasi mold beAsiemptea
from the payment of Poor-rates. Theeime" of ha.
tiptioi on- this wes hitleLlestdistri)_ Ati,ulo,olXs
a fear ; and ot, do:paste ' ' ligeltssit *loo4viti istUcbt
of settlement. omit rikao . atillii teril.Wrii. of
these laws, was.to'breabidwises the ,spieit 7 dfitbeipber
wan, and 'estrinYge him from his frilly*, It wqrs'front
The hitg 'in An ufiettfli iig pairthei 04 Wookotteght
'be raised, on
.trio lead of giang is sest to soils
persons as had been .empleeed icissat.pacishav,
mrettotsts
-.Mit objection Wes • lib' ettotrg In •ii-• Mien
be Supposed to tet. iff '.: kiiikietiviOtry: tt 1
-the 'asst of girtUitigtemi -,lst , Sonieusses 4060.
bands were put, out of- suit hsysweat,- NW shook:rely
beggiti.d by that arclittefte. Urtd y* at Oite•wotdd be
bpi& enough to say, tlattighase'isertimii'44ld, is the
law aijoinal, be- istst..hofore two Magistrates,
and ost being Sellisfts4 'pauper* ie. swelt mad snob
fie istteo, theeld berestiEsed fli earerto meh-parishes
• vmpectitelt.. - littsi InTinarl idSt!uFe4 Woad-beim-
peisib. 10; Slakilaipe . ii tie gases .or the failure'
of tali great irtsweareite. wWales; and an the lute 1
eta of the 'parish Of krafpitrg, that parish **lived ,
kfrodethe OterttlititrSeektYlsvigs, with- cetriin-chet
ratable Pont*, ; hid,-04Wald reception:•lsaiiilat.cat
the poor two years ago, -awing the::: Mink:ant)
it retralitiatal'isteel tor ,twaity ehonsieiti. Ousts,
to 'pay themlfor the possible viten ste of-sending these
houseless people to theiethonses,ltlien) 4044 thqe-
wilt of-Miseettdueowthe pert of them tharitable in-, 1
dividuals was not attended with any "otherospenie .
than giving these poor people, at the qpiration or

f man's
S
-rates. titstahoor a reszdence o a
'falr _inch a parish. The term of such residence,.
verb aps, wo-uttber as, well to be-left with- tirrfsingis
Irate. Whetherth4s &hootd bb ihre' years, three years,
or cone yearthovfak:tiatlilethittit it world be for the
'bertefif 9f ibt,jiwitAiliiivrini elisses,tinst the pegiod:.
tioom
.ISti -,ity.4ltfari' 'ai fiosait. in order that they
ho:ild nal:411)4 chargeable_ Co the most populous
nd Lecestitoos'parishes. fie quoted the Report of
e einbYttittee tithe Abuse in tire year 1817, on the
soVectily the PoQr T.asri,* which proved' in eorrobo
Nihon with' the aWe Opinion of Mr. Coliphoun, that.
tho-Lawa.4.tittlefise.nt, and its inconveniencet_ansi.:

'severity, was the Name of she extensive growth of
patsperismanaruenliiiiry. 111 r.. Pitt had stated die
the evils of our system had been owing tothede •
tire sigma of settlement; which deprived the h-
Omer'. of Me: ' •ty of sititfitit the sphere
His exertions Al place whishpraMs^sed e fair. re-
Muneration for iberokand deprived the capitalist. of
those hinds winch. would most prObably'Rive heart
Atecessfully empToyed in proeuring:a.aetuto,for .1I
capital. He should proceed to read the Rassolutietre
on which he intended to found his prt4ose(l)neasure.
The first Resolution was-.-.. That the various provi-
sions of the Laws for the Settlement of the Poor have
given rise to a series of emtsaira,sing litigation."
Lord ALTHORP said, he so completely concurred
in opinion with Ins Honourable hl iend, that he was
mostanxious that whatever was valuable in his 110-nourable
-nourable Friend's proposal should as soon as possible
be adopted. As to the•infrequency of litigation under
the new system, he feared that if the power of re-
moving was left in the hands of the Magistracy, that
proposed benefit would be totally defeated, and law-
suits be increased. He was anxious that the qualifi-
oation of residence in consequence of a year's h.iring,
fbr service be put an end to by law, as it now gave
rise to a vase variety of suits and appliCations at Ses-
sions, in consequence of farmers hiring servants for'
.11 weeks, in a variety of modes calculated to defeat
the law of settlement...-Upon the whole, however,
lie was disposed generally to support the resolution
of his Honourable Friend most cordially.
. Mr. scmu4re badintended, in his Bill of last
liar if the House bad not gone the whole length
with him, to have proposed something of the same
nature as was now brought forward by his Honour-
able Friend. • By the present law, a man might be
removed after a residence of thirty years, and. the ex.
!Sense of litigation was increasedly the length of re-
sidence. If the:mount of the Poor-rates was com-
gated with the price of provisions, it would be found
Da have increased. He had wished, in his Bill, to
isx a eiaximin to the amount of the assessments of
the poor; and also to provide that the fund should
be limited to the aged and infirm. The Act of the
19th and 14th of Charles IL was the great source
o misery of the poor, and was said, by an
emisteot author, to have led to more decisions than
any single Statute whatever. Many additional
grounds of settlement were' afterwards established,
in order to correct the hardship of the original Act.
At one time the poor of the country were extremely
averse to receive patoildai relief;- the case was now
the reyerse4 and the peepers *twinned to 9 per cent.
of ttie;rhote PoptdatiOn. If the levr.of removal were
abolished:the poor man would have no claim for re=l
Rat ezieot in the case of,sickness or age, as 1.5 years
use elapse before the measure could take full effect.,
e House could: ;top at any period of the interme-
ate time. fle should support the Resolutions with
rlh
all his heart?: Alle present the manufacturing poor,
When thorhefirso employment in the towns, were.
lent .into .the agricultural districts, though the great
eine el propirty resided in the towns ; and the cols►
iequeacarsaas, that almost every country. parish paid
• More to the poor rates then the most populous ma-
egattniids districts. This inequality called-loudly
temederaad nothing could be more cautious than
4.Witsemeare of his lion. Friend. 1
Mr. LOCKHART had doubts whether •the plan'
Of lhei4o. Gentleman Would not increase, the ex-
Image . , litigotion from the .‘ glotious uncertainty"
both of the law and of the fact. lie bad also doubts,
if a fernier of settlement would not throw obstacles
in the ViatLsf theemployment of the poor.
Mr. PEEL thought the House sbould have the
fullest information before it gave any pledge. The
Rem:Actions contained charges that, ifjust, called ftsr
irrienediate redress. !Tbe R escilotions also went into'
-Minute &mils; and the lien. reni.leinan, by the
tours, prbposed, would pledge the Howe both to
principle and the details.' He hoped the Resolutiose
would be withdrawn; when 4 Bill might be brought
in, which-could circulate during the recess; and the
subjeceire submitted go ,the House et an early period
bf the Ogia-Sessicess.-1 , .• .
tißlevldONClLiopeld the suggestion of theriiigist
Ofenouretile gentlemen would be acceded tos
j Mr.,IY.,SMITH said, that the country parishes db-
yived .g text - benefit from employment being given to
;their poor !mile manufacturing towns.
,poi yliQUDghoeed the House would have ns olp-
ljectlon to lets bringing in a Bill which might be repd
a first endows:rod time; 14 committed, pee,' orma;
nclbsdbeiittgiht before the •Hoo-se earif nest Session,
elltifield withdraw the Resolutions, add bring- in a
. 3t?-44.017tchr.• .
iqu....;..:i J... CLUE, BA 110 X GiiiilA DT.
Mr. S. RICE withdrew Ins motion with regard to
she Lud-Chief Baron of Irelands% which stood lot
to-pigN, and moied," alit'Ari House should resolve
itself into A CoMmittee on. the 9th. of June,'td take
into consiciteration the Report of „the Commissioners
of Inquiry into the Count AOC justiocila Ireland ; and-
intothe icinduct of the Chief Baron of the eotrrt of
Eitheqrser in Ireland. . -
After goose obserrations onthstpext of Ali.CiiimiNG
and iillr‘S. Iliheresulotionviaterssied to be moved.
hi
.tbe Illorroli3Oentlertertil :Oh. Rice) were or-
dered fo)seplAced up staiii, hp-40m tie4‘ esiible to
thellembers. • , ,r(s..:. ~,
Sir. J:MILL7AViIsr-518.1Pfeitolimilifte."41alltleNteilb'ilsititt. boa am.
the recofhmeficration of Movers f ;lihtter lartreago it
hart
--k-Aow6l:4ll:letitil4:tl.7.dieofe

.The remedy applied hal Wholly failed, •anj
iy served to revolutionize the Court of Chan.
flear).—lt was now conceded, that thiqo
lot go on as they were. The first remedy whit!,
n proposed was to separate the office of Lord
for from that of Speaker to the House of
Another plan was, to take away the

cellor. Another plan was i, tratio-the el-----'..-...7a74431111141ce11ns
.the County Qf Lancaster into an el:ficient (Am.. .(
next had been to eppoint Commissioners to Q,
Scotch Appeals. Arrottier was, to. Vake 1444011
in. Chancery hear causes, hi conseot, and motile
of course, which at ”seseut oecopied au An
tils.of
'time of. tire Court. 'll6 wait, unable to, '
`an opinion on the merit of these diet teet. plass,
The House bad, ten 'years ayas applied ' a. r/4
(the appointment of at ificeA.:sAnceilor), whisis
been found ineffectual, and was now.disowaelL it
'flow again agitating-tbeUtatters liallioski ate fill&
the' relative situation of himself and the high' y.g;tli4
person at the head of the Court of Chancery. Ti
:all the other qualities of that eminent person, iiid..
.be added what. Lord Bacon had called the stiepori
rieffbtritto anti-by which all the other great cersge
were neutralized. • The doubts of that eminent ins.
vidual were like thote of Simonides, Who told to
Ain of Syracuse, that the more lie meiitatel ail
snore he doubted. it was a subject of grays is,
quiry,- whether the system vas itself imperiliti ot
I iii failed fiom.tlie mode of its execution—
The busiriess rif the Court of Chancery had fsr.a
long time been in most admired disorder. tut
he was prepared to prove in a Committee 01 that
House. Much of that abase bad arisen from tit
appoiniment of the new branch of the Conn, $1
consequence of the collision that had taken place..
In 1813, the :lumber of cases undecided had but
141 ; while in 1822, the number had been 161. la
rehearings and demurrers, an increase had also talis
place; and at preseiit the number of rehearings ail
appeals amounted to 135, being within sir of do
whole number at the appointment of the Vice-gse
=Dor in 1813. The suitor was now driven by cos.
pulsion t 9 an inferior Judge, and the wholes; irk
were named Term causes, were heard before tbieficas
Chancellor. That was also thecame with esceptiaac.
For the last five years the Lord Chancellor had only
decided at the rate of five causes a year—( fir, hail.
For the eight years preceding 1822, the Vice-pay.
cellar had heard 14,660 motions, while in die raw
;space of time the Lord Chancellor had heard j,,
little mare thamone-third. All his "melees% wee
authenticated by vouchers that he held in his hand.
On this subject Solicitors were afraid to give inter.
mation ; and no wonder, as it-was probable that eves
what he said in that House might nut be am fir.
gotten. Brat on that subject he was wholly widens
tear— (Hear, from Mr. Broaghem). The first case
that he should mention, was that of Brown and De
Taster. A bill had been filed for an account, aad a
'decree made thereon by the Master of the Rolls. the
report Made by the Master pas appealed against%
the Vice-Chancellor.—This came on to be Mantis
1816,U thought. The Report of the Master siet
probably obtained at an expense o: not less than led 4
which was as uselessly expended as if themonerlaal
been cast from the window of that House Snot%
Thames. Exceptions were made to the Report, ad
on these the Report was set aside by the Vice-qup
qellort,-theMeame the appeal from the Vice-Charred
lOr to the Lord Chancellor. Fr.on the time of 6lir
dm bill; the Solicitor became entitled to Termlensf
11.1 s. Bd. To these he was entitled so long as it re
*rained in Chancery, which was probably as !mg a
the parties lived; for Hudibras bad truly said thrums
" whoa the pocket will hold out
' " No end of the immortal suit!"
Every Solicitor engaged in the cause, and there ow
frequently many, claimed 10s. 6d. every time the
lase appeared on the paper. From the tine sit
bartial hearing, on every occasion when she epee*
rought forward, the Clerk In the Coortgand the fio
Leiter were entitled, he believed, to CI between dies
Stishillings andlight.pence went to the Clerk, ski
good works in the cause were as unknown to
suitors its good works of another description
be generally. In the case which he had menieW
Term fees were going on in 181$, 1814,1114=
1817, 1818, and-1819. In January,JOlL sheens
got on -to the paper, sad there it r
that year, through 1820,. and to tale 25$ • •
1621. he ahannitt charged for the "
esealgi
during this time amounted to C4tso. Pie tali die
all the expense incurred, far the Learaed Geadsulb:
engaged in the cure claimed teDeshmentstO Mu*
them through So long a journey ; but the pew*,
found nothing to. refresh him in she awe, lit
refry way, not one blight spot, net a_>
heeyed.hia,, eight as he wandered
r ...
. WiOVlTther case, which heittaiiielS
the milkiest. I.spapets, -and to which be theeilhier
Iliesie%ught- su direct its atteatiostreit. iii ,'
OM- had been filed for the protection of
,:iii; •
t4iik. ill-fru PPle Mental bill bad been filed, **VW
after Ali delay of -nsany yeas:, came befievelhe, '
Chancellor, and no decision was then.ordpapil IP II"
given. After a delay or ocarlftwo years, lii:ii. ,_Oki'
6i013 had been given, one of theSialicitors OiltlclP
ter to the Lord .Chancitilor, atatiag 'the
under which his &tot hitfoortdoia tieo,i=
tlthousand,puntitis yea! bakei pp- ,_ art
.Crfurts
unfortunate iofinehaj". 44, 44- a broken heau.oll
ing .that aftertweeforrersis daisy be had beta
uorSE
to obtain- justice: • The I.Oed Cheneeller, i,t
Court, Ordered ' tbc,Sntc,. Or to attend hintarZ
his private chaoiboii.i,a, order to prepare tho
'of the efecrte., Niro Solici ter dial so, and the
costs.would mew bow the detree had been poem;
iv"
t Jul;.'t Por writings g.tffilthirjoet, Maw"' • 33;,
For a triessengeethereto '' 'l"' ..g'"' -- - '
-a. :- /
' Attending the Co ttrt ontliq.ii3tarreit Itt the Lerdill
ehaiallor to aer.a.mok.d_alitaii*
c like in the sigrlelmectrek: 9 L_,____o:^l i • c 4r41
Attending the Lord Chancel, diastkirsrz, '', V
, • when he begged to limit • ' lii ' •
• him till Monday-eerier. ••:'' -1- '• ,-7 a;-• ..1 --.. t
!The !the in the stippleneltitgliaeir - ' - - 1 rob
Attending the Lord CluneellciP, aohee Ma Lordihip • ..n.
• declared that he eeeldeet thole 'amide - - fg•--
The ti he in then epplementatieseee - - •'• "..
Tire Hon. and Levered-Member readir Wig
attendances two, or three times a w rei :Pr
weeks, which excited considerabilttet: ».
House. Was that the mode wadi the
tribution of jostice in Ettgtandied'objeet_,El
.1.
41 the world ?---(i.otid , slog, ef Rear:). ..Wiirlt •
all
prising that The charges 'III Mat case adietinue

not think ' the.frits‘, aailling each, and turninhZ ke oree.-1
his country. t s‘ten those pensionerVnvholoictsty-se: d only
Ito outae _.lltialte4ves to frApatidnestornbtairmsd liV!^,4eoY—(/'
eat, fie though tistamnik, Thus, in :cots, use evii shenqa kostl4l no'
pointed to nem*Atrived. Now he lad it, in oontemptation,tily Ltd keen
as then -read dlisweistire to make *residence of fifteen years in Chancell
any pas'ith a bar to all removal. He might he asked Lards.
1 1

attendance, &c. to is3o3l4?—(ilearasear. ,Upon the
circumstance of a 'Judge Ordering' n Solicitor in a
case to attend him alone in his private roo)p,„k
would make no comment, he'would leave it. to ihm
House to jndgc of its propriety—(hide'—he would
nor make any observations on the lirbt.MOgiittate. ill
the -land consenting to receive lettere from 41 portlji.
to a cause, acting upon the suggestion Ofthat partj4
condescending to . beg time from that paily---:.lyes:
even demeaning his elevated dignity .so far, aa, ,to
become, in the language of his own Court, -71:
sonok..—an orator to one of the Solicitors .emplbyed
for a client therein—( Loud cries .of ffern;t.hea'r).—
ne would say not one word more upon thes sitbject
a was in the knowledge of the Haase, and he shoal
!me it to every G.;:itleMan'S consideration. ric.
would now .allude to other Count, with the excep-
tion of the Vice-Chancellor's, which were to be con-
skived as the legitimate vents for the accumulation '
If business in the Court of Chancery. It had been
truly observed by a late Noble Marquis (Lord Lon-
aonderry), that the only Court which could be cou-
-narred as a Court of Equity at Westminster, was th -
Court of Exchequer. Now, what was the State of
business in that Court? The Chief Baron, anti- he
begged it ro b. understood that he Mentioned this
a, a misfortune, had for a considerable time beeultr
a state of illness which prevented his attention to
business. His duty it was to sit apart from the other
Judges of the Court, for the purpose of hearing.
eases in equity. Ile was, therefore, succeeded la the
discharge of that duty by a learned person, of wori!om
he (Mr. WiiiiainS) was, ready to say everything that
was handsome. But it was known that' Baron Gra-
ham had arrived at a very advanced. period of lite ;
be had been informed that he was eightypone years
ca age. The next in succession was Baron Garrow,
of whom it cei tat illy might be said, that his forte did
not lay in settling an equity suit. The other was an
Honourable and Learned Friend of his, if he might
still call him so, who, every one in the profession
would allow, could not be employed in any depart-
ment of the Court without advantage; he meant Mr.
Baron Bullock —(llenr, hear). —But that Learned
Judge was fresh in the. Court, and could not well be
placed over the heads of his tried seniors—The next
Court was that of the Master of the Rolle:. and he
had been told by practitioners at that bar, that not
one-foerth, somesaid net one•tesatbo cat the number
of cases disposes' of in the time of Sir W. Grant
*re now heard: Having mentioned Sir W. Grant,
Ilp would say that amongst his other transcendant
gialities and properties he had set an example which
would be well followed by the other J udges of the land
—be retired with all his honours fresh and blooming
about him, when no man in the.kingdtam suspected
any declension in his powers, except himself—(Cheers).
Upon all these grounds he called upon the House to
bear the opinions of men of sound practice and in-
*nation delivered before a Committee, and then'
Illthem legislate if necessary. Let them not do as
bey did before—legislate first, and investigate and
complain afterwards. There was another point upon
sdrich he should ask the further attention of the
Souse, and that was upon the subject of Scotch Ap-
pals. It appeared from the list upon she table, that
kern 1813, down to 1823, two hundred and ninety-
* Scotch Appeals had been beard. Of these one
hundred and forty-five had been affirmed, sixty-two
reversed, eighty 'valued to iltirOurts.belfo; al . •ow . -
termini), and two altered. So that, wide ths4a#N..
tion of one, the number,xevnesed, reilliggiii -1 jeaT2
tired, was equal to that of the. del:din:pu.
nat the case with the Etiglisls Appeal ; Anililgist
convinced that a proportion of oue-Ph mij/410 re-,
friable, not to the eunstittition of the Coactt% Ilat•to
the manner in which they were filled ue.. If he via
lobe opposed by the statement tlia; el* w,er* -
,s,a tilt
, proceedings began in. the House, 9( .. s,
a tstx
sad that it would be prudent to wait. anal.t qf
the wisdom of any measures which might bet ei
adapted, he should say that, the same thing .wi
aid of the Vice Chancellor's Bill in the year IBIS.
ea that measure came to the House the Hon. and
Learned Member for Durham protested against it,
lathe Bight lion. Secretary for Foreign Affairsat-
tached it with all the weight of Isis argument, and
with as much wit and 4;umour as might be supposr4
INagh to explode any measure. Yet all that wito
astament, and humour were dissesarded; that Howe ,'
legated, and it legislated that it might legislate 1,
again. If they were now again to legislate, let them
Aare the necessary information first., and let it be '1
tikes before a Committee. Before they fell to preset ib-
lag, let them first see what was the disease, or whe-
ther there was any disease at all. Whatever decision
she ~louse might come to, he should feel the satisfay-
lite of having done his duty, and at the same time
with having avoided all personality that cpald be
&Hided; yet not abstaining from making thiaSe state-
moats which had come to his knowledge and posses-
sion—(Cheers). The Hon. and Learned Gentleman
caecladed 4 moving, ...That a Select Committee be
40419 W to inquire ham the increase 9£ httisino4s in,
the Court of Chancery, andia the appellant j erisdie-
Oro of the House of Lords, and the eauses•thereof.'
5
The fiTTORNEY-GENERAL so, o,ii 401'4.1
Illitible and Learned Gisailenia,u had caMmencred
Wreepeech by stating that lw did slot mean to attack
*4 diameter of any of the Learned Judges:: yet it ,
bad been aeon that the Honsinptile and teatned Gen-
gamin slid rest his case into so. attack 'Mille. .. .19114!
04 Learned Personage as the him/ of tile Proguu)n•
S pound of the motion consisted in an assumption
gall it had bien admitted in another place that the
arrears of business in the Court of Chancery TequitEd
**then. Now he had heard no ,sucli thing 4* thOP
1111411 die Honourable and Learned tientlecaall illt
M TOO. That there was any increased arreas •p 1
111101aess in that Court he would deny. Hu admitted
,kitre was-an increase of busiiiissan but that re` 'I
sues~~ from the increased population and wealth of
the coolitrY, and not from any hesitation to decide on.
the part of the INT 0410 and Learned Lord. At thp,
Iwo the Vice-Chancellet's Court was cleate!, hp
tolild thew that those was an ascomulatioa of arrears.
"liminess, which time that pet Uhl had been sclieved;.
but the case of his Honourable mad Learned Friend
*mat to the abolitiqp of the ifice-Qbanc °Hoes Court,:
Awl to the removal of the Noble and 14,earned:Lord..
;his Was his case, and therefore it required' he in-
(*Ty. With regard to the cases which his Honour:.
Mk and Learned Friend had brOtaglA foriverd, he
kbelw fiecb what office they were practised, and knew
i 4465 ilk ikokif minion was ant its his pii...efeion et AI
D time he gave notice of mottos. And he must say.

(tacks
some native ougin, tp.11.4,44a been,giosin of the at-1
Itacks which had been Made. and tent' forth to the
Pdblic,-against, the..,Tuclac,Aofle -nante, ~114141,7
introduced—( ilea iiiar).44Ther had. sot, 10,910.,
mited to the Court of CballCAWyvtnit.teotlieJseigait
Of other Courts ox e"Pt4i.
(e4l' one Ju4e*L44'iiip p4.44* „*.ibis
(Hear, hear)—in'd hepUiliomit the Na/11 .44i%
itrspactttbleand-WintahlJtedge: hadisevay.pwithamed
hif ittialion.fninsifiCtittfoi.-a:ttat-iayeift*,.,*.i.Pll.l:
4.13-10.e*P44...0.it441a140 tRAIL;-14/Tiltr ;thin. they •ilsgia natal . wo.itljo . Cgot-':-1-
11Q110tIriible Gaut Leorsed•Fsiencrrstotomene of.
I the.Lnnl-Charicellor hqd.' Iton*, tft'. kV; tirely-left.out the Jae.4i.og •
-tlf Idnkt4c'
Oso course of ten yeaess:Asovi
911 a : 64.41 1
hundred and eighly.f.ut. hoots toeddene.4- Add-thal
number beard by. the 'pedielik) :1100.41hantetlisti,i
siuce the institution.of,tftillf4tP*F4lolls:o6lol-th
being the sums anualmo.t, AksOrisj
Then the Hon. and Learned Gendettian heiLt
failed to-say a word .of if* 13:frikruptcyt Petitioos) and+
Let the number of BAnArititt roti3Ons decided by the
ord Chancellor and..rree-t haneeilor within the last

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