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orlviatim the i
Inas so difference. Cab net on the rub-
lea of the negociatino, unt4 death had doled the eyes
of that gieat &aLsfman whole loft, frcrna the peenliar
circumflances ottkie tranfaflion, was maw more than
ever to be deplored. Mr. Fox was anaigsted for the
manner in which the gift °vet tures were made. He
muft fay, that if there was any one ocesfion in which
the generofity of his nature was molt' confpienous, in
which the fublinse benignity of his charatter was molt
evident; it was in the circumflanee which gave rife
to this Negotiation. The idea of affalfination was
horror to -his mind, even towards the greateft and
moll fuccefsful enemy with which this country ever
contended ; but that this was a contrivance of that
honourable perfon to commence a negotiation, no
one, who bad the :malleft knowledgenf him, will ever
believe. Mr. Fox, in the exercife of his manly under.
Rending, had removed all ufcles forms. Hence what
' the treaty of Amiens was propofed as the bafis, he
rejeBed it as fubjeft to difficulty and difputation, and
propofed that the treaty &mild be honourable to this
country and her Allies, and that as much as poflible
it fhould Mime the future tranquillity of Europe
There was ajealoufy excited, that it was the intentionl
of France to exclude Great Britain from interpofing
in Continental affairs, and this interference was the
fecond confideration inthe bets. Only one material
queftion remained, and that was whether Ruffia
fhould be admitted to treat jointly with England ?
Mr. Fox Paid, If you will not permit us to do this
, in form, we will in fubftance, and if you will make
no °Nation on this ground, we will enter on the ne-
gociition to morrow." Thus in the food were intro-
duced the words on the sni periderie, which was the
bane of the negociation, infteaci of the fimple ground
before taken, that the treaty thoold be honourable.
Be had liftened to all that had been Paid on this
fubjeB, and particularly to what his Noble Friend
(Lord Howick) had declared ; yet this all pig/stir
did not appear to him theine qua sox Of the negocia.
lion. It was true that Lord Yarmouth returned to
England with the propofal of the :dipole/di:, but that
did not appear from the papers on the table, but from
his Lordfhip's explanation. It had been Paid that
Mr. Fox and all the Minifters looked with anxiety for
peace, and he was not afraid to give it as his opinion
that France was not left &limns than. England for
the fame refult of the negociation, and the reafon was
obvious, becaufe they had one common intet-eft in
prbraoting it. Much had been obferved on the ad
vantage France gained by the meafure '• but this was
not continent with the allegation cif his Noble Friend
(Lord Howick) that England loft nothing by it : if
England loft nothing, France had obvioully gained
nothing by the negociation. Was it fuppolcd that if
it had not been commenced, the Confederation of the
Rhine would not have exifted ? If the negociation
produced any thing detrimental, it was the war be.
tween Praia and France, but the Miniftry were not
culpable for this confequence, howeier ferrous; there
was but the choice between two evils, and then the
wifely felefted the legit. Then Lord Yarmouth
returned to France, and delivering the meffage to
Talleyrand, be found matters were greatly changed.
But here the French Minifler dealt with fume
fairnefs ; he told his Lordthip of Lig• variation, and
the advantage be meant to take of it. At this
time it was infifted that Sicily asoola be ceded, but
Rill an equivalent was propofed. That was followed
by further propofitions—not only Sicily but
and the French Minifter protefted againit all cetlions
in the Weft Indies. This was matter of hiofe and
general convert-anon. As in fociety We allowed be.
tween man and man the juftice we ourfelves demand-
ed, fo between country and country we fhould make
the fame conceffion, and not conclude every thing in
favour of our own. The fame right of freedom of
fpeech we exped for Lord Yarmouth we flinuld ad•
mit to M. Talleyrand. We mull not ezercife the cri-
ticifin of a fpecial pleader en what is raid by •hc ene-
my, and juftify any laxity with regard to ourfelves.
From an inattention to this, many batty conclufions
were drawn, and the Honfe was told, that although
ffi the cena f Hanover was among the fire words of
$. Talleyrand, yet, that it was not then officially
Rated to be fo reigned, in any official document.
Perhaps the French Minifler walled to conceal from
Fruffia what he intended as to this particular, and,
therefore,avoided making any fuch authentic commit.
vocation. It was right to inquire if the rupture of thei
negociation was exclufively to be attributed to
France, and to examine the queftion, if the prefent
addrefs fhould pats, whether it do not almott wholly
• preclude the poffibility of any future pacification.—
h appeared to him, that Lord Yarm, uth did all he
could to enablAh the bafis of the uti poyAktir. But
hii Lordthip was accufed of producing tux full powers
bet ire he was authorifed fo to do. Wh-ther there
r old he any complete jullification of the infiinge.'
of orders he did not know, but his Lordfhip's
.ion was fo peculiar from the new fituation of
affair:, as to offer a very powerful apology for his
amnia% M. D'Oobi il had juft fighed a feparate
treaty :—Lord Yarmouth was prevented from any
communication unlefs he exhibited his powers, and
it was of great importance. that he fhould learn
the intend .nc. of Fiance under thefe novel citcum-
fiances. France had given no caufe of offence
in the feparate treaty the had entered into with
Ruffia :—fhe told you frankly the would treat fe-
parately with that Court, and the lifted upon that
explicit •declara ion. When it was completed,•it
was an engagement greatly in her favour, and it was
not at all wonderful (he in confequecce of it role in
her demands. Now it was that it was judged ex-
pedient to fend another negociator,and a 111201 e proper
perfon for the talk, a man of greater talent and &In-
ners could not have been Mated than the Noble
Lord who undertook this million. He no doubt
executed his duty ably, faithfully, and punattally,
and did not admit his difpatches w be extrafted horn
his pocket by proflitutes, to advert to the familiar'
metaphor of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Montague).
Lord Yarmouth Girl, that the political death of Mr.
Fox produced a ftrong fenfation at Paris. This was
not forprifing : it malt have produced the fame im-
preffion throughout Europe. Allowances were cer-
tainly to be made for the feelings in the French
hint, under fuch circumnances of difappoint meat ;
they might not know cf the unanimity of the Englifit
Minifters on this fubjea ; they could not know how
much his. Noble Frieni (Lord Howick) revtred
memory of the'deeeafed, and how Much the maximal
and habits of his life were formed under his (Mr.roxii)
guidance and inartglion. Had they been cognizant
of thefe particulars, they would not have expetted any j
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'queftion of peace, after the political death of their
ilhaffrious friend. On another ground, tome allow-
•ances were to be made for M. falleyrand. It was
eery to conceive how difficult it mull be to bring all
the Members of a Cabinet into inch nftate of coin-
cidence as to Rate the common opinion in one agreed
form. With his other coadjutors M. Talleyrand had
to concur, and what was much more laborious, per-
haps, with the Chief of the Empire. The irritable
temper of that pelfon was notorious, and that delays
and obllruaions would strife from his irregularity of
difpofition, might be readily apprehended. It might
have been well to pars over the bitternefs in which
the conduit of the French Government had been
cenfured, and the infincerity with which it was re-
proached for its condua in this Negotiation, and to
have adverted to the real ground upon which Lord
Yarmouth had acted. Upon the fulleß conficieration
that he had been able to give to the documents laid
before the Houfe, he felt nothing difhonourable to
his country in declaring his own opinion, that the
Negociation was broken offvtithout fufficient grounds.
That it was extremely defirable to negotiate in con•
junction with Ruffia, and to maintain the (trifle&
faith with that Power, he was perfectly ready to
admit ; but it was evident. that at the time Ruffs*
had not fcrupled to fend M. D'Oubril to negotiate
with France feparately from England. At this time
it was that Lord Yarmouth went over as the accre-
dited Plenipotentiary of this country, and it was the
precifc time which ought to have been chofen for
fending him in that capacity. But it was to; be,la-
mented, that while both parties were contending
about a phrafe, which he could fincerely with had
never been ufed, the utipoidetir, the time was loft,
which removed for ever the hope of 'obtaining fo fa.
vourable an opportunity for redwing peace to En-
rope. M. D'Oubril had figned a treaty with France
agreeable to that Government, feparately from Eng-
land, and it was clear that he mutt have been au-
thorifed to fign tome feparate treaty. Where then
was the improptiety or, Britith Plenipotentiary treat;
ing feparately for this country ? While the former
treaty was pending, and the French Government never
doubted its ratification by the Ruffian Emperor, they
were certainly higher in their demands than if no Inch
treaty had been formed but when it was found that
the ratification was refuted, it was fair on our part to
rife in oar demands. In fad, the French Govern.
ment fignified their readinefs to negotiate on terms
much more advantageous for England, on that ac•
count. Lord Lauderdale, who was then fent over,
Rill refuted to negotiate without Ruffia. The French
Government then faid they had no objeaion to accept
even Lord Lauderdale as a negotiator for Ruffia,
which he might have undertaken, and entered imme•
diately upon the negotiation of terms, fubjett to the
future approbation of Rufi:a ,• but It'll the di:Cut:Con
flopped at the :di peidetis, and no Rep whatever was
taken to forward the moll important object,, Much
time was 101 l in dirculling this point, when at length
came the difpatch from Mr. Secretary Windbag:, in
which he declares, that the Briti(h Government did
all they could to preferve Naples and Lida without
fuccefs, and therefore they mutt negotiate without
them. ' Here then England deputed from the firli
principle of the uti pffidetis ; and at length came tchat
difpatch of the :Bth of September to Lord Lauder-
dale, which it was to be lamented had not been
written on the i Ith of Auguft, for had that been the
cafe, he did not fay a peace actually would have
been the refult, hut he thought that a peace might
have been obtained fatisfactory to all Eutope. It
was laid that after the departure of the French Em.
peror for Pruflia, attended by his chief Minifters,
there remained no hope of a peace ; and it was there-
fore ufcicfs for Lord Lauderdale to continue, any
longer at Paris. Now, it happened unfortunately to
Pr utfia, that after continuing fourteen years a fpetrla-
tor of the war which agitated all Europe, and which
that Monarch took every mode to avoid, he at 121.1
chofe an opportunity for striking a blow at Fraoce at
the precife moment moll likely to bring on all the
ruin in which that Power was fince inool• cd. It ap-
peared that he was precipitated to this rafhnefs by a
knowledge of the circumflances that France was
about to negotiate a treaty with this country, one of
the cono:. tons of which was to be the furrender of
Hanover, which would be thus wrefted from his poi.-
feffion ; and thou.:4l the Pruffian Monarch had com-
municated to RtallA his intention of attacking France,
and folicited the aid of that Prince to ae in concert
with him, he appcinted a time for the commence-
ment of hoflilities at which it was impoffible for a
Ruffian force to arrive for his affinance He thus
thoug!it fit to rneafure his flrength with the enemy
tingle handed, and incurred all that ruin to his coun-
try, which has in its corifequencet again muted Eu-
rope to all the flames of war. Lamenting as he did
the lots of an opportunity fo favourable for the le-
i fioration of peace to the world, he fincerely withed
that the hopes of attaining a bleffing-fo truly defsra-
ble might not be Rill further frunrated by the revival
of thole irritating epithets which, between two nations
at war, ferved only to kindle new animofities, and
render conciliation ltill more impra&icable ; in-
(lead, therefore, of calling upon the enemy charges
of rapacity, of cruelty, and every fpecies of vice
and crime, he could with that a language fhould
be abandoned from which we could derive no
poilible advantage. While we threw fuch imputa•
thins upon other nations for Os committed in war,
we fhould not be unmindful of our own faults, nor
forget the fcenes of oppreffion, cruelty and rapacity,
pradifeal by fome of our allies upon that unhappy
country, which now again is to he the fcene of con.
Rill, Poland. He could not, without the deepen
farrow, hear the declarations made this night, which
forbid us to hope that peace with France, under its
prefent Government, was an event to be hoped for.
It was true we had drawn the Void once more, and
thrown away the fcabbard ; but Rill he could not
admit that peace was utterly unattainable, nor fee
any jutt reaton why we fhould not Rill endeavour to
reflore it to ourfelses and to Europe. If we bad fet
up our nation as a boalled pattern of moderation
and of juflice to the world, it furcly behoved us
to evince that moderation by unremitting endea•
sours to rellore the bitting of that peace, for
which he (hould never eeafe to with mot/ fervently.
' He next adverted to the peace of Amiens, which
peace he'had fupported, conjunaton with Mr. Fox
and his Noble Friend (Lord Howick), from h
it was his misfortune to differ in opinion this
night. He fincerely deprecated the violation of
that peace, and furpeeted 'the violation was spade
upon groaads not juainable, bat rather urged with a

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view to 'clr a quarrel. and fit the cimtiont *gain in
'dames: By that treaty. England was to obtainMatta,
which teemed to be ellimated as the chief and altroll
tole °Nett. To preferve that objea, we interim into
a new war, of which it was the profeffed occafion.
Now, by the terms of the late negotiation, we might
.sot only have had Malta in full fovereignty, but alto
retained the Cape of Good Hope, Pondicherry, and
all our acquititions from France in India, betides
having Hanover reflored to our poffeffrou. only re-
'goring to the Dutch their colonies in the Indian fear
but then all this would not do, and the furrender of
Sicily and Naples was infißed on as aftes rid eon, at
the fame moment that a pofitive exception was made
againft rearirinfiry of the French Colonies in the
Welt Indies. was willing to adtoir. that as we
had taken the King of the Two Sicilia under huff
protation, we were bound not to Five him up ; but
Purely tome equivalent for him might be found in
the Mediterranean instead of Naples. Then the
evacuation of Dalmatia was intißed upon, and that
territory gives either to Aultria or Kuala, under
the plea that it was neceffary to guard the inte-
grity of Turkey againft the ineroachanents of
France; as, if the fhould be induced at any time to
over-run Turkey, that country would be the high
road to an invation of our territories in India. •There
was little fear, however, of fuch au event, while the
Ruffian Power flood between them and India 4 and
he conceived, that a projed fo remote could fcarcelf
be contemplated within the life of ROI' man malting:
Now, Dalmatia was given to Aultria by the Treaty
of Loneville, but ceded to France by the 'treaty of
Prelburgh. upon the dettruftion of the third Coati.
tion—a Coalitina-ever to be regretted andcondemned.
France took Dalmatia for the purpofes of offence:
and would this country furrender it to France. had
itfallea to her lot in like msnner ? Certainly not.
France (aid it was an objeft woath contending for;
but was it an objet to judtify this country in going
to war ? It was Paid, we could not make peace.
be-smote France refuted to evacuate it, and that it
was not to be given to RulEa, but only evacuated
in -the fira inflance, and afterwards ceded to Au!:
trig or Ruffia, as might be agreed on ; upon the
pretence of inuring the Porte againft the influence
of France. Nos' it was notorious that Tutkey muffs
always be fubjeB to the influence of either France
or Ruffia ; and we were anxious the latter fhould
predominate. only becaufe it was more for our in.
tenth. To the Addrefs, as it at prefait ftood, he had
a rcoll decided objeBion ; for. notwithltanding all the
explanations he had heard. yet he could not think the
failure of the negociation was to be charged folel y to a
dianclination for peace on the part of the French CAl-
vernment : Rill lea was he difpoted to think that no
hope of peace with France was to be indulged, or that
we were inevitably and irrevocably forced to prolong
the calamities of war : for, though we had thrown,
away the fcabbard, yet he would chains the hope that
peace was not impraiticable, and that his ?dajetly's
Mindiers were (till difpofed to renew their endeavoqrs
for the attainment of fo great a bleffing. Peace
would be a boon to this country, and even though it
were concluded but for a Sort period, it would be
much caller to continue it when obtained, than to at•
tain it in a Rate of warfare. Even Lord Yarmouth
had declared, that in France the fpirit of animofity
and bitternefi whit)) prevailed there at the commence-
ment cf the war, was confiderably changed. Even
the laft declaration of the French Government, on
breaking off the negociation, concluded with expref-
am of regret for its rupture, and of readinefs to re-
new the negociation at any time or place, :mat the
chances of war. The Emperor of Roffia, in his
Manifelto, after his refufal to ratify d'Oubril's treaty,
profeffed a fimilar difpoation. Why, thew, thorild
Great Britain be alone averfe to reacire fo clearable a
bleffing to oppreffed Europe ? No min would be
more ready than himfelf to go to the foot of the
throne with an afturance to support hi. Majeay in
the pmfecution of any war neceffary to fupport the
honour of his crown, or the welfare of his dominions;
but he only wifhed that the roads to peace might not
be blocked up, nor the gates of mercy (hut againft
mankind. Mr. Whitbread concluded by expreffsag
the extreme regret be felt in differing on any talkie&
from his Noble Friend, or any of thufe other Hon,
Friends with whom he had generatly the honour to
aft. But as an huneftann, he fliould feel a grofs de.
reliflion of his duty to his country, if he forbore to
declare his fentiments on this fubjest. He moved an
amendment to the Addrefs,which was to expunge all
the concluding paragraph, and infers in its place,
other words, affuring hishlajelly of the determination
of the Houfe to fupport his Majefly in a war need::
fag tp defend the honour of his Crown and the fecu-
rity of his kingdom; and at the fame time initiating
his Majcay to capperate with his faithful Commons.
in the beg means of reftoring to his people the
bletfings of peace.
Mr. JOHNSTONE feconded the motion ; and '
The queaion being put to expunge the paragraph
from the Speech, it was negatived without a divifions
After a (hors pante,
Mr. CANNING expreffed his forprife that a
fpeech of (ucb diainguithed ability as that the Haute.
bad Oa heard, fhoald have been paffed Unnoticed by
any of his Majefly's Minifters. That upon a fubjeft in
which the honour and charetter of the country were
fo much concerned, they fhould make no endeavour,
to vindicate their conduit againa the attack of their'
enemies abroad, and the inculpation of their friends
at home; that instead of even making the attempt,'
they fhould fat (till in dumb defpair. (A Cry of RAW
Hear ! fross the Optestion Beach). Among other obher
cations the Hon. Member moaned the affertion in the
fpeech from the Throne, that the failure of the ne-
gociation was attributable to the enemy could not be
proved before a common jury, not at leap from the
documents .before that Houk. As to soother part
of the argument, that the bafis of ate poidais was
obtained after tome argument with the Miniller of
France, that he declared it to be impale to have its
foundation in faB ; it was an expeeffion which had
grown out of the praitice of many ages, and was
adopted by the convention of parties having different
interefis, in order to prevent a too frequent reference."
to the particular bays on which they Pet out ; it was
impoffible that fuch a bafis could be obtained by long
argument; and yet we Lad no mention of this term,
until we fee it in Lord Yarmouth's letter of the,
4th of June. bafis, he infifted, was never once
declared until then, otherwite than as a thing meanal
or ander Rood, or fancied on our pan. and was never
at any time direitly acknowledged by the French
CrOTOI:PMCM He paid the of I.auderdals that

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