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London, England, 1814-03-26 00:00:00

PA.RLMMENTifRT PROCEEDINGS.

HOUSE OF T.ORDS, MARCH 2S.

The Howe met at ten o'clock In the morning.

In an Appeal from the Court of Chancery," Dick and another
• BallHe," Mr. LaAcH and Mr. HiALD were heard for the Ap-
pellants, Sir Asret'RPlGol•7 and Sir SARIURL ROMILLT for the
Respondents, and Mr. Lx.scu in reply.—Judgrient armed.
In two appeals from the Court of Chancery in Ireland—
eg Bernal v.-the Marquis of Donegal," Sir Ulmer. Rostratv
and Mr. HART were heard for the Appellant.-.-Further hearing
on Monday.
Mr. IRVINO, from the Custom House, presented the annual
Accounts of Exports and Imports.—Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. C. GRANT'S Indemnity Bill was read a second rime, the
commitment negatived, and the Bill ordered to be read a third
time on Monday.—Adjourned till Monday.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.

Sir WiLL;sat CURTIS obtainedleave to bring Ina Bill for the
Improvement of the Navigation of the River Thames Westward
of London Bridge.
On the motion of Alerman ATXINS, the further consideration
of the London Master Bakers' Bill was postponed to the 6th of
April next.
Sir F. FLOOD rose, he said, for the purpose of
giving notice that he meant to introduce a Bill that
would be of service to every county in Ireland. The
object of ir would be to assimilate the Law of Ireland
regarding Irleetioas to the Law of this country. The
two countries were now united, and he thought the
Law of both, in this respect, ought to be the same.
The Bill he ?mended to offer—
Here the SPEAKER reminded the Hon. Baronet
that he must confine himself merely to the subject
matter of his notice.
Sir FREDERICK proceeded. The Bill, he said,
was intended to limit the continuation of the poll in
the elections for counties in Ireland. He would not
'bring it in until after the recess, as it was his wish to
consult some of the Irish Members, who had not yet
arrived. In the late election for the county of Mayo
there was a proof of the great mischief arising from
leaving the poll open so long as two mouths. It was
injurious both to the parties themselves and to the
county. He should propose that the poll should end
•there, as it did here, in 15 days.
There being a loud cry of Order ! the SPEAKER
.again reminded the Hon. Baronet that he should
confine himself to the subject matter of his notice.
On the motion of Sir SAM EL ROMILLY,
the Corruption of Blood Bill v.-1s read a Ara time,
and ordered to be read a second time on the 18th of
April next.
Mr. W, SMITH obtained leave to bring in a Bill
to enable the British Fishing Society to assess rates
on the cciast,
Mr, W. SMITH gave notice that he would, on
an early day after the recess? move for a Committee
to take into consideration the Duties on Salt import-
ed into Ireland from foreign parts.
Mr. W. SMITH gave notice that he would, after
the recess, bring in a Bill for the better prevention of
Child Stealing.
The House went into a Committee on the West
India Trade Dili, and le.ave was given to bring is a
Bill to continue It in force.
The Salt. Act Bill went through a Committee, and
And the report ordered to be brought up on Monsiay.
The Legal Quays Bill was read a second time,
and committed tor Monday.
CLERGY rENALTIES' BILL.

On the motion of Mr. BATHURST, the Clergy
Penalties' Bill was read a second time.

On the question that it be tomrnitted being put, _
Sir W. SCOTT said he was not aware that any
thing could occur that required him attendance in the
stage through which this Bill passed yesterday. If
he was then present, he should have answered the

imputations that were thrown out against him by an
Hon. Member, whom lie now saw in his place (Mr.
Whitbread). It was said that he had taken the Bill
out of the hands of a Worthy and Hon. Person who
first introduced it. He thought his conduct for the
. many years he had been a Member of that House,
might have saved him from any imputation of such
a' nature. The truth was, the Bill was introduced
for the protection of the Clergy, who were under se-
vere prosecutions for Non-Residence. That Bill fail-
ed. it proposed nothing more than theprotection of
the Clergy from prosecutions for Non-Residence.—
The Hon. Person who introduced i%, for whom he
entertained the highest respect, and with whom he
bad the pleasure of being upon anintimate footing,
expressed his disinclination to take up the Bill in any
other shape; and it was for that reason, that he him-
self undertook it. He could assure the Hon. Gen-
tleman (Mr.Whitbread) that he did not contemplate
the Bill without feelings of dismay, knowing the dif-
ficulties he would have to contend with, both from
the nature of the subject, and from other circum-
stances. It was, therefore, with some disinclination,
that he undertook so painful a task ; and he was not
disappointed in his apprehensions, that he would have
to encounter strong opposition, which obliged him
to adopt the sentiments of others, to which he was
repugnant. He could assure the Hon. Gentleman
(Mr. Whitbread), that it contained clauses, which
Were as far from his inclination as from the Hon.'
Gentleman's. I'o proceed with it was a question of
discretion. It was either to be put isua.the state in
which he placed it, or the clergy were to be exposed
to prosecution. He did hope that the inconvenience
to which they were exposed by some of the clauses,
could be removed, by means of the security which
was given by other parts of the Bill. He had to
add, what he was always ready to admit, and what
he would never deny, that the Bill was experimental
On a subject of great magnitude, which had slum-
bered for a century, and which he thought was ca-
pable of great correction, and ought to receive it.—
The Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Whitbread)'said,
hhat he chaunted the praises of this Dill. He never
eard him do so either in private or public. He
would willingly join his efforts for the correction of
it. It would remain with the wisdom of the House
to dispose of any regulations that may be proposed
in the Bill. This did not belong to the individual
who introduced it.
Mr. WHITBREAD was sorry that any uneasi-
nes should have been caused to the Right Hon.
Baronet, from the report of what he had spoken yes.
terday. He was not, however, disposed to depart
from the sentiments which he had uttered. If the
"&ight Hon. Baronet absented himself yesterday, on
recount of business, and was disposed to give his
issistance in the future ..stages of the Bill, he was
sorry he had made any allusion to his absence ; if,
however, he came to the House that day in cons._
.uente of what had been said by him (Mr. Whit-

bread), yesterday, lie could tuft eegret having spoken
as he had done. He hoped he would now allow him
to relieve his mind from the imputation which be
feared was thrownsupon him. He (Mr. Whitbread)
did not say that the Right Hon. Baronet took the
Bill out of the hands of the Member who introduced
it. That Hon. Member relinquished it' finding that
the House was not disposed to attend tp what he pro.
posed, and the Right Hdn. Baronet was then selected
for the work. He met with many difficulties in his
progress, which, perhaps, occasioned the uneasiness
that he now seemed to feel. Whether the clauses
alluded to were of his choice or not, he was bound
to give the assistance of his talents in the progress of
the *Bill. If he was the author of the ambigu-
ous clauses, he should be ready.to correct them. If
he was not the author, and that he adopted them re-
luctantly, it was still his duty to come down and pro-
pose some remedy for ►he inconvenience that was
forced upon him. His attendance ought to be ex-
pected in every stage of the Bill, for it was one, if
unaltered, that would lead to incalculable mischief.
If every Minister of the Church was to be pursued
by the informer, never was there an Act passed so
dangerous to the Established Church as this would
be ; for it led to the ruin and degradation of a nu-
merous class of the Clergy. He observed, the Right
Hon. Baronet• (Sir William Scott) very regular in
his attendance upon questions, and very zealous in
his opposition to them, because they were supposed
connected with the safety of the Church ; but upon
this occasion, when there was real danger to the
Church—when a measure was in contempl Itionf the
effect of which may be to have the Clergy dragged
to prison, and ruined by an informer, then the Right
Hon. Baronet was out of the House. He was sur-
prised to see him absent when the question came on
List night, particularly, as he observed him a short
time before in his place, and apparently in good
health. He, however, went away, and lett the busi-
ness to another Hon. Member (Mr. Bathurst), who
he had no doubt was very well able to conduct it.—
He hoped he would not suppose that it was any part
of his intention to give him pain ; and that as the
clauses in the Bill could not be maintained, and t
a field was opened for the exercise of those talents,
which they all knew him to possess in an eminent de-
gree, he would exert them in the future stages of 'the
Bill, by which means lie would render an eminent
service to the Clergy. He did not insinuate that the
Right Hon. Baronet joined in chaunting the praises
of the Bill. He thought, indeed, that he was the
person who said, that by giving the whole of the
penalty to the informer, tht: :timid:4r would be the
greater. Every day proved the evil that arose from.
so doing. The person who laid the informations,
placed the Clergy in difficulties from which they could
not escape. They must either pay a large sum or
go to prison.
The Bill was then committed for Monday.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.

The Hv,use, on the motion of the CILINCELLOR of
the EXCHEQUER, went roto a Committee of supply.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
rose far the purpose of proposing that £2,00C),000
he granted fur the service of the Alloy Extr:tordi-
nalies. This, in addition to the xamoo,ooo before
vo ed, would make k 5,000,000. At the time the
£3,000,000 were vote:, he had no doubt that a fur-
ther sum would be necessary, and he hoped the
House would feel no difficulty in consenting to the
measure.

Mr. TIERNEY did not rise for the purpose of
objecting to the grant, but he limented the necessity
there was of proposing the measure at this time, :tr,rr
it placed the House in a situation rather extraordi-
nary. •T here had been two adjournments since the
commencement of the present Session. The first was
Unanimously agreed VI, and previous to it a grant of
35,000,000 was voted. They were agaia called on
to adjourn, but no reason was assigned for it. Now,
"when they met again, without having any ground
given for the last adjournment; without having any
account given of the manner in which the £35,000,000
had been disposed of, they were called upon to v.ae
82,000,000 more for the army cxtraordinaries.
granting this they would virtually give their sanction.
to the war without knowing how it was carried on—
without knowing the state of public affairs—or with-
out being informed whether the negotiations for'
peace were in progress. With the talents which the
Right Hon. Gentleman (thcrChancellor of the Ex-
chequer) possessed, he thought he might spin out the
£3 5,000,000 a little Longo-. This vote would go to
recognise, in practice, that, without knowing how
the tormer sum granted for the army extraordinaries
had been disposed of, Ministers may come to the
House and demand a further sum for the barna pure
pose. He thought the House, by this application,
was placed in a new state.

'Tie CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said that this was asked as a vote of confidence. Ot
the £35,000;000 alluded to, part of it was voted for
the service of the navy, and part employed to pay off
Exchequer Bills.
Mr. TIERNEY wished to know why the Right
Hon.,Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer)
could not apply other money, for which there was
no immediate call, to the purposes -for which the
£2,000,000 was now demanded ? He lamented that
such a vote was now brought forward. From the
variety of rumours that were afloat, he did not know
but Ministers may pursue some course which the
House would not approve of. They ought to know
what they were voting this money for.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, that if the Crown could dispose of the thirty-five
millions as it pleased, they should not, for a long time,
have occasion to apply for any further grant. (Hear.
kar)--but no Minister ever undertook, or could un-
dertake, to apply the money voted for the navy, to
the purposes of the army, or vice verso.
Mr. TIERNEY asked, whether the Right Hon.
Gentleman meant to say that money voted for one
branch of service was never applied to another ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, he was aware that the rant for one branch of
the army service may be applied to another branch
of it, but the grant for the army could not be applied
to the navy.
Mr. HUSKISSON thought that any 'honey gran-
, ted for the army may be applied to the army extritor-
' dinaries ; but the discretion of the Crow* never went
beyond that. In point of fact, last year no money
had been granted for the army extraordinaries until a
later period of the Session than the present. It was