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'hips of all nations. It would have i,een better
have placed that illand under the protection of
Ruti than Naples; but !till the latter power would

have a Itrong interest in protea;,ig it twin any at-
t:mpt of France. Mier various other olift:t vations
in fupport of the Treaty. his Lordthip voncittned
with moving an AJdrets to his Majdly,

That the Houle do exprefs Its approbati.ui of tie Ist'
Treat F of Peace; and that although the I lour, lamented th,
cAtunitious events that dittradted the Continent of I.urop;, it
was with confide ruble fatisi AdVon they ()braved t hut Or honotit
and freurity of tit, fe kingelools had been prefervol. and cleat
the c mlltre hail been coot ioually eneresfing iu its refnurces, and
in its means of atierting it; honour and its independence ; and
the Monts would o Won his Majefty that they would do svery
thing in th. it. power to improve the Millings of Peace, trultin.!
At the fame time that his Majcity would employ that virilunet
and attention which the lituAtion of Europe tientimiccl, and
which was neccirary fnithc chAvi.a.a and incl.:pendency 01 this

country."

Lord MULGRAVS faid, there was not a part of
the Addrefs moved by Lord Grenville, which he
was not ready to oppofe. Although the peace
was not Inch as he could with for, it was one which

he fhould prefer to a continuance of the war. The
arguments relative to the infecurity of Malta were
unfounded in fasts. That ;nand putrefied an im
pregnable fortrefs, which would in future render
it impoflible for the French to take it by force, and
they never could have taken it had any refill:lnc:
been made when attacked in 1798. The inhabi-
tants of the iflands were betides much better al-

feted to the Englith than they were to the French.
He did not thinksthe ifland would be more fecure
in the hands of Ruffia than of Naples ; nor thould
he leave the people to themfelves. It was not very
likely the people would put the ifland into the
hand sof die French, the etre/hoc %hole fraternity
had been already felt all over the Continent of
Europe. With raped to the events that took place
in Italy between the figning of the Preliminary
and Definitive Treaties, he acknowledged there
was fon e difference between the Cifalpine Republic
under the influence of France, and the Italian Re-
public under the controul of the Firli Conful. But
hewould atk, whether the difference was of inch im-
portance as that the chance of gettinari.l of it would
be a fufficient ground for breaking ott the treaty and
renewing the war? The Noble Lord next alluded to
the claims of the Prince of Orange, who, in this age
of revolution, might probably be again eflabliffied
in Holland. But he would afk if this country had
done as much is it either could or was bound to
do for that Prince, whofe misfortunes were occa-
honed, as much by his defending his own rights
as thofe of Great-Britain ? With regard to our
Sovereignty in India, there very Treaties con.
cerning the non-renewal of which fo much com-
plaint was made, had tended to abridge rather
than confirm it. In that refped we now :land on
a better foundation : and he could not fee that any
apprehentions were to be entertained from a few
Frenchmen traverfing from one factory to another
in India. He would rather go at once on the
broad principle of right to exercifc Sovereignty in
India, than on the force of treaties. He faw no
danger likely to arife from the ceffion ofLoniftana
to France ; becaufe in the fiat place, there was no
riding or harbour for (hips at New Orleans: in the
next place there was no prob4bility of the French
making an attack at any time on Mexico, becaufe
the country between Louifiaua and Mexico was
impaffable.
Lord Aucazawn faid, he had been prevented
from offering all he had intended to offer to their
Lordthips by the late hour of the night, and the
arguments already advanced in defence of the
Peace ; he would therefore confine himfelf to the
non-renewal of Treaties. He then read extra.ls
from each of the Treaties,' from the Treaty of
Leipiic down to the Treaty of 1787, to Thew how
inapplicable they were to the prefent political po-
fition and eircumflances. His Lordilsip very fully
and fatisfadorily explained all the particulars that
preceded the figning of the Treaty negotiated by
him in 1787, by which the right of Great Britain
to the Sovereignty of India, and the Navigation
of the Indian Seat, was molt explicitly, unequi-
vocally, and fatisfadorily recognized and acknow-
ledged by France, and he mewed that that right
flood as firm and as fate now as it did before the
war.

The Earl of CARNAAFON complained that he I
had heard of no explanation of the variations be-
tween
the Preliminaries and the Definitive Treaty.
He warmly reprobated the latter, and concluded
with declaring, that he lhould vote for the original
Addrefs.
Earl WESTMORELAND made a long. and anima-
ted fpeech in juftification of the Definitive Treaty, •
and in fupport of the Amendment.
Lord ELLENBOROVG li made a warm and ani-
mated fixed) in deferice of the Definitive Treaty,
panegyrized in firong terms the prefent Miniflers,
for having reftored the hidings of Peace, and at-
tacked Lord Grenville's argument in the molt
pointed manner, in many of its great points ; that
part of it which referred to the non-renewal of the
Ancient Treaties in particular, declaring that all
thofe Treaties were grown obfolete and Inapplica-
ble from the change of political circumftances in
molt of the poifeffrons of the different powers of
Europe ; to have revived the ancient Tteaties
would have been regenerating all the abfurdity,
nonienfe, and kitty that they generally entertained.
He conceived the ftriking of foreign colours to
Englillt IlOps of war, not of fuck confequenec as it
appeared to be to a Noble Lord (Grenville) ; and
concluded a very eloquent and energetic fpeech,by
entlinflailicalle thaiking his Majelly's Minifters for
having been the lIICilliS of terminating the miferies
of war, and procuring the country what he con-
felled himtelflufficiently unfafitionable to admire—
" The Bleffings of Peace."
Lord CLIFTON (Earl DA111111V) Paid, he had
chearfully given his vote for the Preliminaries, but
he could not give it for,the Definitive Treaty, on
account of its variations froth the Preliminaries.
Earl of Ross:AN anfwered Lord Ellenborough
as to what he had laid, rather contemptunntly, of
our having omitted to Will on the Dutch lower-
ing their colours to the Dritith flag, and (hewed
that it was not trivial or ludicrous, but a matter
of great and lesions importance; he laid our right
• to the fovereittity of the feas originated lb long
once as the beginning of the i6tli czattiry ; that

is the time of Tim:, the Firft, the 1".•rcol
Grotitts wtut. au „able hook againft onr o,fot to
maintain it, And that- the tn. lefs 1c3r1.1:,1
gas,: it it'll a ar..l complete anfwer. lir At
ntert.:.l that for die fira time in his Ule he mot.
give ilis vot. Ag.iii:ll the wishes of his noble Ft it u.
(Lord Grtms ilk); but there were %‘•lds in thi
AdAreis, moved by his Noble Frietid, which It,
could not Vo!Q. for.

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-Ile Lou) Citasercunt, in an elahorate fred.
of tv..o hours and a half, defended the Definitiv •
•I'reatv, admitting neverthelefs that he had heard
fiom his Noble Friend many folid obje±tius to it.
:m.:emputiesi by many more wholly tnisvoi thy, iu
his niind. of the quarter they came from. In fill!
detail he met and anfwered all the vend c-.
tious of variations from the Preliminaries, and of
tu:al omitTions of feveral points Rated to be ini-
vrtant, and contended that they were either in
finificant in themfelees, impracticable, or not
att.: in the leait by their being omitted.
Earl CAMBtIFN alligned his teafons for not find-
ing hinVelf able to vote with his Noble Friend
(Lord Grenville) for his Addrefs, and declared
that he neither approved of the Preliminaries, and
lets of the Definitive Treaty, but the Tieaty
being concluded, he thought it better to luppot t it.
The Duke of RICHMOND warmly commended
the fpe,..ch of the Noble Lord who opened the de-
bate, (Lord Grenville) but did not approve of the
conduct of the war in all its parts. He thought
the public tm;ney had been lavithly fquandcrcd in
running after every petty German Prince to b..!v
him to take fome of our cafh, not but ha approved
of titbridies, when wifely applied,' and when th.ir
troops were to a& under our command. He alio
pointed out other prodigal expendinires, and at
length, after fortie eulogiums on the condila of
his Miiiitters, laid, he would do any
thing thort of voting for the Amendment moved
by the Secretary of State in their 'import.
Lord HOBART in a (bort fpeech, by an explana-
tion of two or three fitas, anfwcrcd feveral of the
itrungea oblations Rated by Lord Grenville. He
particularly contended that the Noble Lord had
fpoken abfitrdly, when he contended that the pof-
fellion of the command of the River Arawari by

the French would endanger Britilh ihips in their
attempts to enter Rio Janeiro, by (hewing that the
courfe of the River Arawari ran a different way
towards Paita, and Rio Janeiro lay many degrees
lower than the River Amazon. His Lordfhip
added other elucidations in favour r • the Treaty.
Lord GRENVILLE, in explanation, denied that
he had been guilty of the abfurdity imputed to
him ; he had mentioned Rio Janeiro becauf he
well knew where it lay, but had faith that the
French poffetEon of the part of Guiana boandcd
by the River Arawari, would, during a war, ena-
ble them to oblige the Portuguefe to (hut Britifh
(hips out from the Bra7ils,where it was fnmetimes
ufeful for our Chips for India to call, water, and
obtain provitions ; and then we could put in no
where nearer than Madagafcar, where we fhould
find but poor accommodation.
A good deal of altercation arofe about the pro-
per method of putting the queflion, on which Lord
Rosseva, Lord ALVANLEY, Earl RADNOR' Earl
STANHOPE, the Duke of RICHMOND, and the LORD
CHAscELLOR, took part, and fpoke each more than
once; at length it was fettled that the Lord Chan-
cellor Ihould put it, that all the words in this Ad-
drefs, after the words, " An humble Addrefs to
his Majcily," be left out, in order to make room.
f-Jr Lord Pclham's Amendment, which was
longer than the Duke of Norfolk's, and took nut
the words of the Addrcfs originally moved, from
nearer to the beginning of it, than the Duke of
Norfolk's did; was entitled to precede it.
The Duke had offered to withdraw his Amend-
ment, but Earl Stanhope fpoke againft it.
The LORD CHANCELLOR then put the ouellion,
to leave out all the words of the original Addref ,
after the words " May it pleafe your Majeily,"
and to infect Lord Pelham Amendment.—Con-
tents too, Proxies 22, 122—Not Contents 16.
Lord Pelham's Motion is therefore the Motion
voted. _ _ _

Lord HOLLAND moved, while Rangers were
abfent—A Motion of Cenfure on thofe Minifler;
who ad riled his Majefty to refute to accept Bona-
parte's offer in 1799.
The Duke of MONTROSI argued again( it, and
moved that it be rejected.—Reje&ed accordingly.
Adjourned at part Seven o'clock this morning
to Monday next.