Star.
London, England, 1802-04-06 00:00:00


What, however, were the real and avowed obje&s
of the war ? To prevent the extention of French
power, and to flop the propagation of French Ja-
cobinical principles ; how had we obtained thefe
obieds ? France had aggrandized its power, and
enlarged its ten itory beyond even the hope of the
moil ianguine of the firti revolutionifi., and beyond
even the calculation t.fthofe plans which French am-
bition had formedat thecloft of the Taft century, and
to refill which fuch expenfive and fanguinary wars
had been undmaken. As to Jacobiaifm he would
elk, was not the power of Bonaparte rooted on ja-
cobinifm, was he not its child and champion? What
fecurity had we that he had totally changed his
principles, or that he would not aft upon them on
the fit ft convenient opportunity ? Such was in real
truth the fuccefsful ithie of the war, and fuch the
ground of the Right Hon. Gentleman's exulta-
bons. The Right Hon. Gentleman complained
that he was calumniated, but no calumny, as he
termed it, was ever to his knowledge thrown out
by any of his friends againft him, which had not
been frequently brought forward againft him in
the !lupe of a charge ; aad • which would not he
brought forward again. The Right Hon. Gentle-
man
triumphed much in his attention to cultivate
the arts of peace during ten years previous to
the prelent war, but the Right Hon. Gentleman's
memory teemed to fail him, for ought to recoi-
led that he on two occafions ncgle&ed that plan
of economy which he this night would perfuade
the Houle he had had uniformly in view. The
Right Hon. Gentleman might remember, at leaft
the country would, that there were two very ex-
penfive armaments in the courfe of thote ten years,
the neceffity for one of which was to generally quef-
tioned throughout the country, drat the Right
Hen. Gentleman was forced to give up the objed
of it. The Right Hon. Gentleman's words in the
Fear t 792, were not fo mifreprefented by his Hon.
riend. as he would intimate. According to his
(Mr. G.'s) memory, the Right Hen. Gentleman
then laid, " that notwidillanding the convulfions
prevailing in France, the Government of that
Country was likely to become mote formidable,
but lefs obnoxious to its ne;ghixiurs." It would
have been well for England had the Right Hon.
Gentleman continued of that opinion, and de-
clined to interfere with that Government ; cer-
tainly nothing occurred fubfecptent to that decla-
ration which could urge a prudent Miniller to
plunge into the war, in which it was now manifeft
he engaged from a falfe calculation of the re-
fources of France ; and of the power, principles,
and fidelity of the Coalition. The Right Wm.
Gentleman no doubt reckoned very high on the
energies of the Britilb people, and on the extent
of their refources, but it would have been happy
for the empire if he had not put their eneigies and
rtfources to feverely to the tell. Had not the Right
Hon. Gent. attempted to take lb much merit to
himfelf for the origin, condo& and conrequences
of the war, he (Mr. Grey) would not have troubled
the Houle with an obfervation upon the fubjed;
but the Right Hon. Gentleman was not contented
with endeavouring to vindicate hinifelf, without
pronouncing a cenfure upon the conduit of other',
among whom he was one, for their feceffion from
that Houfe on a former occafion. Whatever the
reaferi of that conduct might have been, thole per-
fonr were certainly not accountable to the Right
Hon. Gentleman;—they however in no cafe came
forward to oh rf rust the legitimate efforts of Govern-
ment for the defence of the country, as the Right
Hon. Gentleman infinuated ; nor did they ever
defpair of the country. They for a long time en-
deavoured ineffedually to perfuade the Houle and
Minikes to abandon a fyllern, which, in their ap-
prehenfion, if perfevered in, would tend to en-
danger, if not to extinguiih the importance of the
country. They therefore deprecated that fyilemy
but finding their views of the fuhject fo different
from thole of the majority of that Houle, they
raw no good that could arife from their interfe-
rence, and they therefore retired. On rum c occa-
lions of great public importance they were in-
duced, from a fenfe of duty, to return to the
Houle— always, however, he could for him-
felf declare, with much reluftance. A s to the
propriety of thefe coniiderations, and of the con-
duit which arose out of them, it was not for the
preterit Parliament, but for the public and polle-
rity to judge, and he could alforc the Right Hon.
Gentleman, that if he looked back with fo much
latistadion on his former condo& he could fcarcely
feel more gratified than he (Mr. Grey) did, in the
retrofpeft of his own ; particularly that part of it
which was the °Ned of the Right Hon. Gentle-
man's cenfure. Although the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman on the floor exhibited in his proceedings
this day a flriking contrail with his predeceffor,
Rill he too vaunted of the happy confequences de-
rived from the fortitude and judgment of the for-
mer Adminiftration—of the fecurity which Mo-
narchy received from the war—but the proof he
quoted of that fecurity was rather curious,namely,
thealacrity with which that Honfe, afew days back,
voted a confiderable fum for the payment of the
Monarch's debts. If the safety of the Monarch
depended on the readinits of that Houle to ac-
quiefce
in any propoial his Majelly or his Miniflers
might think proper to make to it, furely no man I
win) knew the Houfe could entertain a doubt of
that fafety—it was fufficiently guaranteed—and
there could not be the leaft neceffity for entering
into war to add to its (lability.
Mr. Purr denied that he unneceffarily obtruded
any oblervations on the Committee not immediate.
ly connected with the fubjea before it ; they were
drawn from him by the remarks of the Hon. Gen-
tleman's Ft iend, who travelled out of the fubjeft
under conlieration, in order to introduce tome
animadeerlions upon his conduit in Adminifira-
tion. With mired to the Hon. Gentleman's af-
fection, that the plan in the contemplation of his
Right Hun. Friend would utterly fubvert the fink-
ing fund fyflem, or that it would be an infringe-
ment of that Aft, he would recommend the Hon.
Gentleman to read that Ati with more attention,
and he would find the plan defcribed by his Right
Hon. Friend to be in (trill conformity to the fpirit
of it, the objed of which was, to pay off ninety-fix
miliicns of debt in forty-five years ; while the plan
pr,poied to be introduced by his Right Honoura-

Me Friend, which W2l not new to him, (Mr. Pitt)l
would operate to difcharge in a fhorter period not
lets am- one hundred and fifty millions of debt.
is
_loxes remarked, that whatever degree of
collation the public might afcribe to the Right
Hon. Gentleman on the floor, and his Right Hon.
Friend behind him, there teemed to be a (Inking
variance between them on this occafien, for the
Right Hon. Gentleman on the floor fung the Te Drum
of vidory when propofing the repeal of the Income
Tax, upon the.death of which his Right Hon. Friend
pronounced a funeral oration. The repeal of this
tax he, however, attributed to the decidedly de.
dared opinion of the people ; for he did not think
the Right Hon. Gentleman had otherwife any
filch intention; if to, lie certainly did not make
him (Mr. Jones) the keeper of his confcience, (a
laugh ) having rather always intimated a different
purpofe. Here Mr. Jones took a view of the con-
duet of Mr. Pitt's Government; and perceiving
the Right Hun. Gentleman leaving the Houfe, he
exclaimed—" it is no wonder the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman, rho has added 250 millions to the na-
tional debt, who has granted 583 penfions, and
created 75 Peer% ()load endeavour to make his
efcape when about to be charged with his mitcon•
duet by even fo humble an individual as myfelf."
(A laugh). He expreffed a with that petitions
againft the Income fax should continue to croud
in from every part of the country, in order to
deter any future Minilier from again retorting to
that diabolical tax. He afked the Chancellor of
the Exchequer whether Government was not in-
debted 2,700,0001. to the India Company
Mr. Alderman Comas faid that the complaint
of the brewers was not fo much againft the pro-
pofed tax on Malt and Hops, as againft that on
becaufe the private brewers were, in com-
mon with them, fubjeet to the two former, but
exempt from the latter, and of courfe had a de-
cided advantage over the public brewer.
Mr. VANSITTART rote to corred a miftake in the
ftaternent of an Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Grey) that
the Income Tax was pledged to any clafs of pub-
lic creditors, which was not by any means the fad.
Mr. Bakke hoped that the diftindions exifting
between the London and country bre•vers would
be fairly and fully confidered by the Right Hon.
Gentleman, in his arrangement of the propofed
taxes on beer.

Mr. Mat ?maim o had no doubt that the Right
Hon. Gentleman on the floor would obtain uni.
mild popularity by the repeal of the Income Tax ;
hut there was an obfervation in his fpeech, which
alarmed him much, namely, that it was a legiti.
mate War Tax. He earneftly hoped and entreated
the Right Hon. Gentleman, whom he fincerely
refpetted, not to harbour fuch a fentiment, led on
any future war any Minitler fhould be encouraged
to propofe a Tax lo odious, that he was perfuaded
the Britith People would rather contribute their
laft guinea, than fubmit to the inquifitorial power
which that tax treated.

Mr. jowls, as one of the conllitnents of the fait
fpeaker, gave him his thanks for the manher in
which he had declared himfelf on this occafion.

'rhe Refolutions were read and agreed to, the
Houfe Tamed, and the Report was ordered to be
received to-morrow.

Mr. Jos as repeated his queftion ref Being the
debt of Government to the Eaft India Company.
'fhe CHANCELLOR of the Excumiron replied,
that an account was depending between Govern-
ment and the Eaft India Company, but as the ba-
lance was not yet (truck, he could not fatisfy the
Hon. Gentleman upon the point be required.
Mr. Rossow wilhed to have the Refolutions of
the Committee of Ways and Means printed.
The Srto IC ta replied, that it would be informal
to propofe it,until the Report fhould be brought up.

COIN TRADE.

On the motion of Lord CLAYS' lIVIE, the Houfe
rethived into a Committee on the Report of the
Committee appointed to confider the Rate of the
Corn Trade between Great Britain and Ireland.
Lordfhip then moved, " that it be the opi-
nion of the Committee that it is expedient to per-
mit, for a time to be limited, the exportation of
Grain from Great Britain to Ireland, though the
prices of Grain may be higher than thofe at which
exportation is now permitted by law." A
limilar Refolution was moved with refped to the
Exportation of Grain from Ireland to Great Bri-
tain. Both Refolutions were agreed to. The
Houfe refumed, and the Report was ordered to
be received to.morrow.—Adjourned.

LONDON.