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HOUSE OP LORDS. NOVEMBER 10.

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COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.

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PiIRLIdMEIVTiRi PROCEEDINGS,

The House met et ten o'clock and heard and decided three
saints, Ist, Watt v. Paterson. Ronit.tr and Notatt for Ap-
pellant; Anaaa and timings,. for Respondent. Tills was* ques-
tion of right to -e.ertain Lands, in a ease et division of common.
The appellant partly rested his exclusive tight to the around
in qeestion upon its having been, forty years ago, ploughed once
by his tenant.
I:he LORD CHANCELLOR said, that If there were tipbse-
quent continued acts or poesession by others, the circumstance
relied upon was not full evidence of the exclusive right. If his
tenant happened'to plough up a piece of ground, without inter-
ruption, from other commoners, because it was not worth while
to interrupt, the ground, perhaps, not being worth what in that
eonutry they ealleda Armin; and yet afterwards, others turned
their cattle upon the same ground, ind filet with no interruption,
Li* forty year"; surely the ploughing of his tenant could not be
aufkient evidence of exclusive right. •
• In the case of Graham and Keeble (question respecting the
lia-
bilitj of en executor) ADAM and PARX appeared for the appel •
Rossitts and Hoarier( for respondent—ln that of Stewart
and Hail, NOLAN and #DAIt, jun. for appellant, ABBOTT and
8ic:41(914M for respoedent, (case of liability of owners for re-
pairs &we to a chip) 'ln all these rases the judgments of tlircourt
below were affirmed.—Adjourned.
HOUSE OF COM-MONS.

Leave was given to bring in the Annual Indemnity Bill.
Mr. AR BIYI IiNOT brought'up sundry papers, and gave no-
tice that he should move to refer them to the Committee of Sup.
ply on Friday. Ordered to he on the table.
Lord CASTLEREAGH brought up the Supplementary Con-
vention between Great Britain and Russia, signed June 15, 1813
and between Great Britain and Prussia, signadJune 14. 18t3
and subsequently signed in London in September, let 3. Order-
ed to lie on the table.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought up the
Local Token Bill, which was read the first time.
Mr. BANKES brought up a BiU for securing the Freedom of
Election in the Borough of He',stone, which was read the first
time, and ordered td be read the second time on Wcdoewitty,
after s une ohservations from Mr. Swag against harrying the
measure.

Mr. BANKRS brought up a Bill for continuing the Act re.
specting Grants of Offices. Rtad the first time, and ordered to
be read the second time on Wedne,day.

After a few observations from Mr, W, KEENE, the
CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, and Lord CASTLR•
EEAGLI,
My. W. DUNDAS rose, to move for the number
of seamen for the ensuing year. He observed, that
the naval erpences had exceeded in two branches--
that of victualling, and that of wear and tear; which
last was imputable to the extended nature of the ser-
vice on which our navy had been engaged. He
moved, that 140,000 seamen be employed for the
service of the ensuing year, and 31,000 marines.
Mr. A. BARING, considering the numerous, but
he believed necessary expenses, which the state of af-
fairs imposed on the country, was surprised that no
relief was to be afforded from the naval service ; but
that, on the contrary, there was an excess in that de-
partment. It was with regret that he found this mo-
tion made at so very early a period of the session for
the service of 1814. He would not prejudge on the
necessity of the vote; but, in the present unsettled
state of affairs, he could see no necessity for urging
it immediately. Looking at the map of Eur.,pe, and
considering what our navy had at present to do, he
could not conceive the necessity for so large an ar-
mament. In France, he observed,. that according to
the press‘;re of circumstances, some branches of pub-
lic expenditure were so proportioned as to assist the
necessary demands incurred by others, which were of
a more' exigent nature ; whereas we continued to
keep up full chaxges in all branches, as it'appeared
'to him, unnecessarily. For years past, we had had
nothing like a formidable enemy at sea; and at the
period of the battle of Tratalgar we had 10,000 sea-
men less than now. We had, a few years ago, all
the ports of the Peninsula against us, and we had the
Baltic to guard, besides our own operations against
enemies' colonies. There was now a considerable
prospect of our clearing the ports of Holland. He
would venture to say, there was no man with tolera-
hle information, who followed up the conduct of our
Naval Administration for the last year, but must be
surprised at the little that had been done effectually
on the North American coast. On that subject, he
should not then enter particularly but juJging from
the use made of our great navy last year, he saw no
reason for giving to the Admiralty such great means.
—American frigates had been suffered to go out of,
and to come into their own ports with ease. At one
time we had no less than thirty or forty sail of vessels
collected in the Chesapeake, a harbour which those
who knew it knew the practicability of blockading.
These thirty or forty ships were kept there amusing
themselves, or rather losering the character of the
British Navy, burning houses and sheds, and doing,
politically, much injury. A third part of the force,
properly applied, might have been sufficient to bloc-
kade the American ports. He next adverted to our
little naval war on the Lakes, and observed that the
contest in that part of America was essential!y a na-
val war on those Lakes. He believed that many ex-
cellent officers had been appointed to commaoils in
that war; but yet he believed the fact to be, that we
were driven from Lake Erie, and were not in a corn-
manning situation in Lake Ontario. The gallant
Officer, Sir J. Yeo, had not been furnished with such
a force as, he should suppose; he would have desired.
He should lay no farther stress on these points at
prescnt,'but wished to lay them before the considera-
tion of the House.

Mr. W. DUNDAS thought that it would have
been more becoming in the Hon. Gentleman to have
abstained from these remarks, and to have deferred
this preface of disgrace till he had thought proper to
take a more regular notice of the subject. He, for
one, would answer, that whenever a motion was
brought forward, he s:sould be able to prove that the
conduct of the Admiralty had been neither negligent
nor disgraceful. Itll the truth was made clear, it
would net be the assertions :if e Hon. Member,
however respectable he might be, that would crimi•
nate the conduct of our naval affairs. He had better
have spared that part of his observations, on that oc-
casion, which tended to make an unjust and premature
impression on the mind of the House. If this motion
had not now been made, it would indeed have been
negligence ; fur it bad been made exactly in the osua
way, and at the usual time of the Session. With
equal happiness had he asked, why, in our present
prospects, slit old 140,000 men be employed ? In
this he, in fact, answered himself: for what had pro.'
duced all our safety—what had sealed tip the ports
of the enemy, but ci-ur great naval fora ? Was th
time so certainly arrived that we were so secure of
peace, that we hold be induced to disband a large

proportion of our navy I =- Wbat better aid could
France wi►h for ? To what but our navy did we owe
obr security ? Whatever was voted now, the House
0£ Commons could disband the navy, according to its
view of public services, when they pleased. Who now,
counselled the wisest—the Hon. Member who said
" Let down your navy," or himself, who said" Keep•
it up r. By recent accounts there were 25 or 26 sail
of the line at Toulon, 27 sail of the line in the Scheidt,
besides the fleets at Brest, Cherbourg, in the Texel,
and in the Adriatic. The Honourable Member, as
a great merchant, would be among the first to cry
out for our commerce, if we lowered our navy, and
exposed our trade. In such an event, would not the
.Toulon and Brest fleets, tempted by the rich rewards
of our• traffic, come out of port ? Of all times, this
seemed the very worst for reducing this main arm' of,
our strength.*
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that whatever pros-
pects might open favourable to retrenchments in our
necessary great public expenditure, the House might
be assured, wouldbe readily embraced by Govern-
ment. In no preceding year had the difficulties at-
tending the due distribution of our naval forces been
greater than during the last year. If we had not had
the assistance of the Russian fleet, he did not believe
that we could have made it effectual for all purposes.
That we had no formidable enemy actually at sea,
was among the number of the existing difficulties.--
The House and the country ought to know, that not.
withstanding the immense pressure that had been
made oa the enemy's nayal resources for many pro.
ceding years, yet he had not relaxed his maritime
efforts ; and that he had still fleets in most of his
leading arsenals, ready for sea. He had, in fact, been
accumumulating his marine forces by rapid strides.
The demand on the American station had been pro-
digious. The Baltic had also been a great pressure
on our means, in consequence of its vicinity to
tary operations. We might, but for our naval exer.'
Lions there, have seen, not a part, but the whole of the
army of Denmark put in motion, under the direction
of France. He trusted that the House would feel,
that Government would not unnecessarily keep up
our naval forces : if they shewed such a disposition,
it was in the power of the House, at all times, to
recall them to their duty. The numbers of seamen
now actually serving, approached very closely to the
vote now proposed, which was precisely the same as,
the last, and brought forward at the sense period of
the Session. Whenever, under all the circumstances,
which engaged us with our Allies, or concerned outs
operations in the Peninsula, retrenchments would be
justifiable, he trusted that Ministers would vigilantly
turn their attention to every practicable and wi e
means of reduction. But Parliament would recollect,
that it was our duty to proceed with prudence and
foresight. If we suddenly disbanded, it would not
be so easy a task, on an emergency, to recall our
seamen to the naval force of the country. He was
not now prejudging retrenchments; but merely voting
for the usual provision.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
would say a single word on the subject of reduction,
in consequence of the accommodation of the different
branches of his expenditure by the enemy. He thought,
the Hon. Member had been better informed respect.
ing the state of the French finances, than to have
made this assertion. His opinions might be correct.
ed. by adverirg to the published statements of them.
It was quite clear, in this view, that France had not
lost sight of her marine, nor had neglected any means
of supporting it. All that we now proposed, was to
maintain our marine at the same rate as before, should,
it be necessary. At any time previous to the Ap.
propriation Act, the House had "it in its power to
make such alterations as it saw fitting.

Mr. A. BARING said, with respect to the point
of time, that the House very seldom sat so early as
they did thitSession. The motion might have been
postponed till the matter was better understood. The
30 or 40 vessels in the Chesapeake which he had
alluded to, had disgraced the country by their ineffec-
tiveness, or rather by their injurious mode of wart
All the arguments used on the opposite side, would
apply as well to the extension of our naval force to
150,000 seamen. Surely the fleet in the Scheldt could
not be in a state of such perfect readiness for sea;
and he doubted much whether that at Toulon was.
The question with him was, whether, at t,
greater exertions could not be made by landolligh
retrenchments at sea ? Next year he thought that
France could not be able to do much at sea ; all her
resources would be wanted to meet her dangers by I
land. Our means should be directed to great ends,;,
and not frittered away.
Mr. CR OKER row and stated, that not long ago '
the French fleet in the mouth of the Scheldt amounted
to 16 sail of the line, in all appearance ready for ser-
vice. In the Texel there were not less than five,
sometimes ten, in the same condition of preparation.
Although some might believe that the enemy had
withdrawn many of his seamen from his fleets, yet it
would have been an improper confidence on the part
of Government, on a public rumour, so to reduce
our armaments as to permit them, so near to our own
coasts, to move about, insufficiently watched and
guarded. The Hon. Member's opinion concerning
the Toulon fleet was monstrous; since it was but re-
cently that the Government was accused of neglect
in that quarter; of having a naval force inferior to
that of the enemy ; particularly on the occasion of
L'Emeriau's once coming out to sea, and returning
to harbour. Did not an enemy's force of 50 sail of
the line require watching ? If the Admiralty were
the victims of those illusions of the Hon. Member,
they would indeed become liable to reproach. As
to the time et which the motion was now made, it
became necessary to make it in the last month of
the last year's expenditure. It was also necessary
that our brave seamen should be paid, and fed--
but then it might be said, I' put it off till ,January."
Why, the necessity of this motion washmong the
'other important reasons why Parliament was assem-
bled so soon this Session ! But all that was now in-
tended or proposed was to vote one half of what was
wanted. All the civil part of the naval expenditure,
new buildings, repairs, end other items, on which a
difference of opinion might fairly arise, were kept
;)aek for the period of the Ordinary Estimates three
or four months hence. Government might have
4dopted anther mode by proposing a rateable sum,
'or a few months' expenditure; but they had not
acne so, because they must then • have forced upon
he House, at that early period, the whole affairs of
the Naval Department, tb be printed and voted. It