Star.
London, England, 1805-05-11 00:00:00

Ido not wonder at it. It tannorbe a very ;radar
i thing to any man whom you admit into yew hoof*, to.
alk him whether he be an hone* man ? It is rather
painful to be called npon to take an oath, that you'
l' are not traitors. If it were a general rule for: all
I Members to take the oath, .no man would think any
thing of it; but to he tingled our for the purpofe; milli
be a galling diflinelion. Now, my Lords, I come to
the other objenion, I mean the time. The Noble
Secretary lays, it is an indifcreet time, but he has
not explained how, or in what manner. He fags alto,
there is no hope of &cedes but I hope that the voter
of this night will thee; the contrary. It is not, I
think, very refpeßfol to tell the Catholics, that there
is-a majority in this Houk againfl any propolition for
1 granting them farther indulgence. One •Mininer's
1 authority may; however, be as good as that of ano-
ther ; and we do know, that anotherliffinitler, as
romretent to fpeak upon the tidied as the Noble e-
, crzo try. has (aid. he never would accept of a place
isill,,f-, the Catholic claims were granted.. . But,
it is laid we are at war. Does the Noble Score.
,• Lary f ~',,et, that the Mini9er At the head of His
I Majelly's Councils, at a more dangerous time,
ialmoll at the very eve of battle, ran away, becaufe
i the claim of the Catholics was not planted ? The
Noble Secretary of State has alligned another
reafon, the prodigious power and influence of
France over the Catholic countries of Europe. This
is an argument which is likely to lag as long as the
prelim Miniltry. Ido not fee, hoarefver, why this
, &mid prevent Gs. from placing the frith Catholics
under the influence of the Government. Bing-Viril.
Liam did not think f0.7---(Here his LOrdthip read
a isalr.47e from Bithop Burnet, in which he Rates,
that the policy of France was to alienate all Catho-
• tic countries upon the Continent from England.).--
I am Co far from agreeing with the Noble Secretary
of State, that I. think that this is the time of all
others to fhew the Catholics of Ireland that they
cannot esprit from any Catholic league or comet-
flint, the fame extent of freedom and indulgence
which they enjoy here. Irever there was a time
when it was neceffary to unite the hearts and hands
of all claffes of his Mejefty's.fubjeas, it is the pre-
feat ; and this is only to be done, by giving to all the
complete enjoyment of all the benefits of the Coal-
tu.tian. If the laws refloating Catholics are not con):
plete, I believe in my heart, that they cannot Rand u
they are. I think it impothble that three Millions of
the people of Ireland &mid remain as they are,
. leaving one million to enjoy the full benefit of the
contlitution from which they are excluded. The
hißory of all countries thews; that if you cannot •fe-
tate the hearts of the people, which is only to be
done by giving them full and completh enjoyment of
the country and its contlitution, you Inuit have re-
elude to a coercive fyilens lf therutholies are to
be affured that they
complete enjoyment, yon mull have reeonrfe to that
coercive &Item ; but I am fore, in the prefent Rate of
Europe, you cannot with to try the temper and dif--
pofitions of the people of Ireland."
Earl CAMDEN confidered the prefent difcufllon
as very on wife at this time. . I
The Bane of DURHAM thought it highlyelren- 1
tial that the principles_ of the Ellablithed Church
Mould be inviolably preened : he profeffed bisefraf I
no enemy to toleration, but,faid, that be 'bad read the
petition with the Freatell attention, and he could-not
fee any fecurity in any conceffions which conld be
made at prefent; he willed the education,of the
Lower claire' could be improved ; but he cyanid not
find any thing in the quellion that could promote fo-
cial and domeßic happinefs.
Lord REDESDALE obferved, that' the motion.
before the Houle was, in point of form, that the
Honk Would refolve itfelf into a Committee, but the
objea of the Noble Mover evidently, and the prayer
of the Petition exprefsly was, that the Catholics
should be admitted to an equal par ticipation of con-
Ritutional rights and power on equal terms with the
Proteßants. If this were to be complied with, the
Conflittuion of Church and State could not, in his
judgment, long fur vise. • The Catholics profeffed al-
fo their anxiety to be relieved from all tells. This
was inlinuated in the Petition, and it was the lan-
guage publicly held by the Members of that Body
in Ireland. "The Houle (horrid, in entifidering this
quellion, recoiled, ani deeply to rcfled upon, the
Jituation of Ireland. if the demands in the Peti-
tion were acceded to, the Houle could n't ftippofe
that the Catholics would hop there. No, the Ca-
tholic hierarchy looked for the doinains and rove
noes of the eftablirhed Clergy, and thole mull fol-
low the grant of thole things fur which they now
applied Nay, more, the Houle would feel it necef-
fary to proceed further, the fifth at title of the UniOn
mull be repealed, and the Catholic Church elia-
blithed in Ireland, for without this, he had nd hope
that the Catholics would be contented and tran•
quillity fecurely ellabliihed. Until the Hierarchy
were in purferlion of that Church property which they
naturally and anxioudy clerked, they would 'not
ceafe to excite difcontent, and if they ever obtained
that property, perhaps matters would not end there.
It was, indeed, mull probable that a total feparation
firm this country would be the next objet of purfuit.
Apprehending fuch confeepiences from the propofed
concelions, and he could adore the Houfe that fuel:
was the prevailing approhenfions among the more in-
telligent ?meth:its in Ireland, he moll deprecate
the propofition. The comparifon made between the
cafe of Scotland and that of Ireland, he felt to be
416ie.unfi.up ded—becanfe the Church of the Scots
n as the ettablifhment of the country, which remain-
t.; :n quiet obedience to the State of Great Britain,
and in pedal harmony with this country. —But that
any thing. like peace or quiet,ar harmony; could trill
in Ireland while the Catholics were rubjee to fuch a
Hie ra 1 chy as the prefent,tethenght Utterly hopelefs.
Another difference arofe from this,' that Scotland
V 4 Ac, even if the wa-re hoilile to the Proteflant ella-
b.ifltment, by no means equal to Ireland in point of
weight and importance in the Emeirc. BclideF,. the
comparifons made,a lluded trly c. peer Erns who fought
fur places of power and pr.nit in England, and they,'
~
it was to be reeOneted, were et,ligcci to take the fa,
crament to qualify themfelvcs for such places.. -The
Scot•, therefore, adverted to by the Noble Mover,
became Protefiants before they were admitted to thofe
high (Aces he had mentioned. Of courfe, there was
this difference in the two cales•i—that the Prefbyte-
I ians of Scotland were not eligible to thofe high of-
tizes until they took thole Tells which the Catholics
claiming, thole offices refuted to take. In the one

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cafe there was obrinof!7 no danger while in the other
every thing was to be aporeluoled.
He would pin it to the 'Houle whether Inch
lion in favour of the Catholics wool,' be conlillent
with common policy or j ri ft ice—to require of one chill
of fubjefts a tell of qualification, while another, claim.
ing equal privileges, readied to fubleribe. He would 4
ark whether fuch a proceeding could be reconcile. I
able with the principles of policy which governed
our anceftors ? Between the Roman Catholic Clergy I
and Laity, the Nable Lord dated, that there was
a very marked diflindion. The Clergy—they 'were
to be confidered in quite different points of view.—
The Clergy formed a great compad -body, Minding
in open defiance of the law—exercifing sin authority
which the law did not fanftion, and confidering the
Protettant Clergy as ufurpers—(here ibere were moth
of difopprobasion from Ilie,Uppofilion Benches). The No-
ble Lord ;awned, and repeated his lalt affertion. In
fupport of this affertion he would appeal to any
Noble Lord who was acquainted with Ireland. The
Catholic Clergy, he knew, denominated the Learn-
ed Prelate on the Bench aboie him (the Archbifhop
of Armagh) limply Dr. Stuart. Thefe Clergy al-
ways called themtelves the regular fucceffors of
the ancient Bilhops of the country. They took their
titles, tried their infisnia, and affirmed every thing
appertaining to the prelacy that was not prohibited
' by law. In a petition once prefented to the Houfe of
Commons of Ireland, they put their fignatures as re-
gular hilltops. and there was only one than in that af-
kmbly ( Dr. Duigenan ) whohzd the fpirit tonotice this
grofs and intuiting violation of the law. Such was the
irate of the Catholic Hierarchy, that he mull depre-
cate any inereafe of their power. They already pof.
feffed an authority of great extent—an authority too,
enforced by the molt dreadful means—that of ex-
communication. This excommunication was of
fuch a nature that the poor victim whom it denoun-
ced, might fl trite in the flreet before arty Catholic
would communicate with or relieve huh. He knew,•
indeed, in an infiance where a poor perfon, who had
been excommunicated, would have adually flarved,
if it had not been for the benevolence of a Protef.
taut divine, who fupplied him with fulafiftence. There
was another inflance of the exercile of this extraordi-
nary power which had Coale to hie knowledge. Two
Catbulics were 'serried by a Protedant Clergyman.
This being heard of by the parifh Prieft, ht reported
it to the Bilhop. The perfons who had been married
were immediately fummoned to appear before the
Catholic Vicar General of the Diocefe, and the Pro-
teltant Clergyman confulting the peace of his parifh,
and perhaps his own fafety, with that of the parties
fummoned, advifed them to fubmit to the fummons.
They according waited on the Vicar General, ex.
preffed their contrition and readinefs to make any
fubmiilion in their power. But no, the Vicar Ge-
neral was incturab)e, and this couple was excom-
municated for having been married according to law.
—But this was not all, fuch as fhould have any
communication with them, were to be excommuni-
cated alto. The man, however, being a perfon with
whom many were in the bairn of communicating, it
was reported to the hilltop, and above :co perfons,
'men and women, were from so miles distance furry
'ironed before the Vicar-General. They accordingly
obeyed,but fomehow the Vicar was fo much appealed
as not to. impofe the excommunication. He how-
ever inflifted a penance, which was, that each per.
ion Ihould perform a pilgrimage of 3o Mites t that is,
from one of what are called liolyWells, in Ireland, to
another, each beating a label, fpccifying the caufe for
which the penance was, imposed. Things fimilar to
this frequently happened fir I eland, and loch was
the fear they infpircd, that the influenee of the Clergy
WAS almoll unbounded. They, in fad, affinned an
lauthority much greater than belonged to the Catho-
lic Clergy in any other country whatever; for their
authority was retrained by no law. It was quite
without coatroul. Before the Reformation, the
power Of the Catholics was not free from Legillative
Rellridiona. There was a remedy againft the abule
of Ecclefusflital Power. But now what was chi
remedy ?—an Appeal to Rome—and what kind of
redrefs was to be obtained from tio, an appeal ?If and
perfecuted Catholics could or wouldiefott to it, 'he
would leave it to the Houle to lodge. • The Catholic
Clergy diffolved marriages on various grounds, not
recognized by our laws. They for bid marriages with-
in certain limits of confatiguinity, contrary to law.—
In fad, the legitimacy of children, and of cons re the
fuccefiion to property, was made to depend in a great
measure on their will- -The Noble Lord proceeded to
account.for this by Rating, that the reformation had
neverbeen perfed in Ireland,and that,canfequently,tbe
Catholic hierarchy (till retained extraordinary 'power.
The imperfect progrefs of the reformation he illuflrat-
cd by referring to the reigns of Eliaabith, James I.
and the Protedor. Until the latter period, the Ca-
tholic Bifliops, &c. retained many of the Ecclefiatti-
cal domains. Thus, in confequence of the flow pro-
grefs of the reforMation, the Catholic hierarchy Rill
retains a power without law—nay, contrary to law;
and they tyrannize over the other Catholics. As long
as fuel' a Body remained in that country, he-felt moil
forcibly that it would be abfurd.to expel tranquility
or contentment.

There was nothing more remarkable, the Noble
Lord laid, than the difference between the Catholics
of England and Ireland. Having livedin a part of
that part of the Empire where there were man; Ca-
thglies, he was enabled to fpeak to this difference. In
thole parts of England where Catholics ata reildeat,
if one taw a farmer diltinguithed for temperance,
cleanlinefs, and imindry, it generally turned out that
he was a Catholic ; in Ireland it was directly the re-
verie. What could be the caafe of this difference
He had afked an intelligent Englifh Catholic, and
the teafon flitted was this—that Catholic Clergy in
this country ltudied to promote peace ; but thole r.f
Irelaid foubd tbeit'acc"Unt in !mining an oppplite
cocrfe.' So much 'was he perfuaded of the juflice Of
the remark, that the hierarchy was intereaied, and
prone to excite dilturbance—that he lincerely lament-
ed that its abolition was neceffary to fecure peace.
Nay more, he was thoroughly fatisfied that Inch an
abolition would be highly grateful to the better in-
formed part of the Catholics themfelves, as it would
be for the intereft of the whole body. This would
be the more readily admitted when he Rated that
peace and harmony were moll to be found in the di.
ocefes where there was no fidliop, or where the Bi-
fhop did not much meddle with the parith
That Billions were not effential, or defired by the
Cath9lic parifu prieits, was apparent from the cafe of

Canada. There the Priers' complainel °fa Billr+p's
having been fent among them, allelghlg that har-
mony prevailed among them until fuch an authotity
was placed over them. Having had communication
with fame intelligent, corif,:ientious parifh prlefts irr
Ireland, he had reafon to know that the hierarch, in
its prefent (live was not agreeable to the people, and
was peculiarly difagreeable to the more ialortbed part
of the clergy. From thofe parifh priefts he learnt that
they were afraid to be known to hold any cornmunica•
tion with Proteftants, left they fhould incur the cenfure
of their Billsops. Indeed this flatement was confirmed
by a circumftance with refpea to Dr. Iluffey. A few
Catholic fervants, in a Proteflant family, were in the
Itabit of joining ,in a certain prayer, which involved
so difference as to any eloatinat point. The. prat-
tice, however, being repotted to 1)r. Huffey, he in;
Itently forbid it, Rating as a reafon that, although
there was nothing int' infically objeCtionable In the •
prayer, its being read by a heretic was fufficient."
'And this learned and liberal Doctor, who was after-
wards conflated with that Union, which had in vieviw
a feparation.from this country, iffited orders to the
parith'prießs of his dinette to guard againft• fuch a
practice in future.
With refpe& to the character of the higher orders
*of the Irifh Catholic Laity, 'they were of two de-
fctiptions—the one poffcffed landed property and old
eltablilhed rank—the other were in pcifreflion of pro-
perty alto, but were new men. The former were
interefted in the permanent peace of the country,
and among this defcription of pea: ins, the misll dif
tinguilhed perhaps we:. a Noble Lord, whole name
' was fuhfcribed to the petition on the table (Earl Fin-
gal) ; that Noble Lord was a man ofgood fenfe, loy-
alty and extreme moderation, sk hen left tohimfelf. But
when he fubruitted to the advice of the hierarchy, his
conduct bore a different appearance. It Wight be
• faid, that what he had Paid tended to ffiew the pro-
privy of going into the propofed Committee. But
no ; and for this reafon, that the changes he recom-
mended in the ltate of the Catholics Was not to be ef-
fected by legiflation ; it mutt come from the Catholics'
therrifelves. That change produced, Many coned- '
lions might be made to the Catholic body, that it wottlk
under the prefent cir:umllances, be'eriremely tintafe
to agree to. Wherever religious eflablithments (horrid'
be thought neceffary, it was indifpenlible• for its
maintenance that polical power Humid attach to
it. On the fame principle that thole who had no
property, were excluded from political power, Mould
thole who,are /guide to the Chu-ch Eitablifhment be
excluded from the fame defcription of power--namex
ly, that in either cafe tcutal power might tempt to.
the elfin/lotion of an unfair claim of an erne' diviO'
.firm. That the Pinteda,nt Religion was always
deemed t ffential to the maintainance r.f.the Confti-
Union, by 11111' aivellorc, the Noble Liinrquoted the
cafe of the King of Sardinia, who aratrexeludedirom
the Throne exptef,ly hfC.lllfe he was reasholic.-I.e-.
curving to the difference between the Catholics of Ent
land and Ireland, a riling from the different Condit'6-1
dons of the Hierarchy, the Noble Lord cited The oatirsi
tibia. was, notwithflandintr the objeLion of the Apof=l
g4iieal Vicar, fuhfcribed the Catholics of Eng-
land in 4778, while the fame oath—namely, a Ted of
Allegiance to a Proteridnt ftccel /ion eery, was refuted,
by thk Catholics of Ireland.. The acceptance of this
oath in the one safe,- proceeded from the fuperior
informatinn of men, arid the refofal of it in the other
fgom the fuperior influence yf th 6 Doctor
Bracey wrote a pamphlet again() this oath, arguing:
that it would be moirltrons to call on a Catholic to
(wear, that he would not be faithful to a Britith So:.
'Weirs if that Sovereign &mid happen to be of the
fame religi4m with hitnfelt; and this argomentilbe-
ceeded. The Noble Lord dated the means by which,
in his judgmeot, the changes defired might be pro•
duced in Ireland. If the Bible were tranflated into
trills, he was pet fhaded that very good effeits would
follow—that mirty Catholics would be converted to
the eltablithesi Church. The Houle would recollect
the confeqiiences that arofe from the tratiflation
the Bible into the Wellh language. The Proteßant
fer vice being relit/ in Ireland in the Eoglifh language,
which numbers did not underdand, • was a great tin-
pediment to the converfron of Catholics... They on-
derilood the Latin Liturgy much better—haying it
from early education by rote. The-Rate ofthe Church '
in Ireland was; betides, very bad; There were &too
Benefices, siuly one thud:yid' of which had 'churches,
and one ih.'uland of tilde had only foe glebe hotifes.
Many of the 2.t00 berctic,zs were very valuable,
and much fought after, on which there was
pot a church, a glebe.houfe., nor a proteflant.. This
teas a date of things that called loudly So remedy,
.and means were in view to provide that remedy.
The Catholic hierarchy Ihnuld be ru w modelled, and
the Proteltant doctrine n • re indlifiri-ufly propagated.
But to this it was indltrniabty r.,:celEtry that the
Protedants thould be peife3ly Life. So much was
this fafely now wanted, that there were many &thirds
ist Ireland in which a Proiellant, unlets a man of for.
tune, dare not appear. If he did, he would be int.
smdiately driven away, or perhaps flogged in she got.:
,kible manner too ufual in Ireland. In confequence
of this, in many parts, no fuch thing as a Proteditia
labourer was to be met with. The great de-
.feet was, that the law was not fully enforced, and this
was owing'to the hierat city, who fait an intereft in ex-
citing the •paffians of the common peopie, and keeping
divifion alive, in order to pits ent the &lotion of their
followers. All Protedaros wete defci ihed as here-
ties, and this term was applied alfo to all Englith-
men, Both were regarded in the fame light ; and
if the prayer of the Petition on the Table weregranted,
he would venture to affert, that it would be unfafe
for either to remain in any part of Ireland, except
the North, where the Protellants are numerous. In
proof of the perfecuting fpirit which exifis in--Ire-
land. the Noble Lord dated, that Catholic fervants
would not fuffer a Protedant fervant to live among
them ; and the poorer Prnteßants, even in Dublin,
cannot fafely put their child en apprentices to Gen-
tlemen, if there happen to' be Catholic fervanti
in the family.• The poorer Proteftants. are there-
fore obliged to put their children apprentices
to handicraft trades. Viewing the Rate of Ire-
land as: he did, he repeated his conviCtion• that
it was neceffary, though that, neceflity was very
much to he regretted, to keep a lining hind over
the Catholics, in order to fecure the perfons, the
property, and the eßablifhment of the Protetlants.
--This mud be done, or the Protellants mutt he
abandoned. To conciliation he had ever been, and
ever thuuld be a warm friend; but it !boob/ be the

cor.tiliition of the C.itholie people in a different
p.-1- from that propoled by the Noble Mover of the
prepofition before the Louie. He wmlld not be delu-
ded under the name of concil:ation to accede to the in-
ereafe of the power c) that hierarchy, from which
the Catholic laity fhnnld immediately releafe them-
(elves. While they fubmitted to be the flares of loch
* body, they were unworthy of th- fiefdom which
it was the oiled of the Noble nurrer to confer upon
them. •
fter a few words from Lord HAWZ EIBUIt
The LORI) CHANCELLOR, obletvine the beepers of the
hour (two' o'clock) declared thar he thought it would be more
convenient to their Lordfoips to adjourn than to continue a de-
bate which was likgly to ensajt their attention fcveral hours longe-.
N. Lord HAWK ESBURY had no objeetlan to the adjournment,
provided the queftinn was pot fpecificely as to the time of mum-
ing the debate. If it was put in general and indefinite terms, it
mould have his decided negarive
Earl DARNLEY prnpofrd that their Lord/Lips Choull adjourn
the lkieffion to Monday rust.
A DiviGon was then called tor, but their Lordlhips d'al not di-
vide:
On the doors being opened for the readmit on of strangers,
The Earl of LIMERICK was found entering at length Into tat
fubjed before the Houk At aU events, his tordihip laid, he
da not think that the prefent was.a proper moment for making
more emieelEons to the Catholics of Ireland.

EarI.CARYSFORT, as loon as his Lordthip had concluded.
pointed out to their Lordihips the great impropriety of titbit
continuing the debate to a moft extraordinary late hoar, or rife
coming to a diorifion without Issuing the fentiments of many No.
bte Lords who witted to deliver their opinion on the Ittijetit. is
thishe was fupported by Lard OH:mill:, the Marquis of Buck.
bighorn, and haul Darnley.
Lord MULGRAVE was againft the adjournment paft this
morning.
The Earl of DERBY thought Monday would be moh wave.
nient to rtimiy Noble Lords who hod other duties to ottani to.
Lord HAWKE:SWAY theugreed to the proporrtioa.
The quettion was put, and ousted MIL
Adpurned to Monday.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
,Mr.POYNTZ prefentei a petition from the Freeholders of St.
Ailian's,Herts, relative to the Tenth Report of the Counniffiouers
at Naval End:miry,
Sir 'EHEOPIIILUS METCALF, as Chairman of the Commies
tee on the Pin :ras Bill, requefted permiffion that they might fit to-
'bonnie ; notwithfi anihng the adjourmneut of the Houfe.—Granted,
The Houfe went into& Committee an the Irina Small Debt Bill;
itieben the Report was received, and ordered to betaken into cnnT.
&ration this day fortnight, and in the man time to be printed.
SIR WILLIAM RAwLiuS •NrA MR. Cc.z•
•
On motion of Mr. FRANCIS FANS, the late Sberift
Middlefet, Sir William Rawlins and John Alolon Cox, Efii. WWI
.brought to the Bar to be reprimanded and then •difehargod, when
die SPEAKER addrefibd them in the foll, wing terms:
" Sir William Rawlins, and John Althun cox : Your coodudt •
having undergone the kvete but jolt animadverfion of the Houfe,
followed by a nee:Airy though keen. Sentence of punithment, it is
fit to be underftood by the country at bete what is the aloraffier
of your offence, and oo what rotted. you are delivered. I helium
of, your offence is this: that you, being Shed& of Welled; at
the time of the General Eledioo in iSos, and in your capacity of
Returning Officers, witha view at .oving a colourable majority to
one Member in preference to anOtter. did unlawfully, knowingly;
and correptly,.allow of certain Ilditiotif votes, to the great preps-
, dice of another Candidate. That by fit doles, you have given the
greafeft eneoaragetnect to perjury. and have mapifefied your par.
tiat.ty by refufing to give reference to the butt cis afermentrio '
Ore::ter offences could not be laid to the chirp of Men id root. '
lituation and high ogee, to which you Were ratted by the favowei
of your fellow dozens.. You hetmyed the moil important duel' vith 'which you could be entrusted ; betraying the priclepot
your fellow fubjeas, the liberties of your country, and the
flitution of Parilairieht. By resfon of theft charges, which bite
been clearly brought borne toyou. toss were eotunikted to mien3lao ,
jefty's common jail'. of Newgate, the common reeepaack .af
maleadors, there to remain as costparions with dusk prifooens.
vrLo, by Virtue of your office, were committed to your cuftody alt"
their ?veneers. This indelible Mark oldifgrace you have haltered,
as a proper essnmle to others tit your fiturtion. leleverthelefs, it
appearing by your Pennon, that your minds have been humbled.
and that your err rs may be imputed to the improper and crimi-
nal advice by which you have been miffed. this Hoak is willing to
believe that the ends of juilice are fatiafied, and you ire difeharged
Cron paying your fees."
The Sramtea's admonition was ordered' to be entered on the
Journals.
The Houk then proceeded to a ballot fot a Stied Coeollaitte•
to examine into the expences of the Rosanney and Senfible, while
ender the orders of Sir Home Popham.
A hieffage from the Lords arequainted the Houk, that theta'
Lordships would fend an anfwer to the requeft of the Commons,
for the attendance of Lord Harrowby before a Seleu Cowman:4
by a Mefferiger of their ORM
The Property Amendment Bill was reportEd, feveral &mold-
meats adopted, after which the Bill was ordtred to be eogrofed,
and real a third time oo Tuefday,if then engeoikd
SARI. ST. tritiCluT.
Mr. JEFFERY (of Poole) renew td his motion of Tuefday
left, for the produdtion of Naval Documents from 17S; to 1895.
with a view to a companion be•weeo the Adniiniftration of Lord ,
p. Vincent' and that of Earls Chatham and Spencer; This pfms
slimed a dikoffico of fame length; two of the motions sere with-
drawn ; theft refpeeted the norm of timber,and were objected to
by blr Pitt, as expofing certain Sources from whence Supplies of
timbtr had been obtained.
Mr. DENT moved for a return of the number of pertins ap-
pointed I leutenanis, Lieutenants made Matters and Commanders
and Poll Captains, during the reipeetivitAdotiniftrations tat hens
Spencer and St. Vincent. The mot:on war afterwards made 01P
extend to the Adminift ration of Lord CtuitLiui. ' '
CORN.
Lord ARCHIBALD HAW:FON then brought before the
Houfe the Subject of the various Petitions which had been prefent-
c.l againft the left Corn Bid, and concluded i Speech of confiders-
ble length, with moving, " That theft' Petitions be referred to a
beh:dt Committee, that they 'do examioe the matter thertof, and
report the fame with their opiniou thereupon to the Houfe.' • '
Colonel STANLEY feconded the motion, tappet which a debate
of Several boom arofe, in which Mr. Coke, of • Norfolk, Mr. Wes
tern, Mr. Fofter, Sir John Newport, and Mr. Curwen, were &Oink'
the motion Sir Robert Peek, Air. Pitt. Mr. Parker Cook, Mr.
ht•Dowall, Mr. H. Lafeelle.:, Mr Wm Sinith,Nir. Barham, Sit
Charks Price. Sir Wm. Curcio, hlr. Alderman Cliathe, Nlr. Fran-
cis, and others, wee& for the motion: After a reply from .t.ord A.
Hamilton, the Houle divided—For the m..tion 61—Againft it 40
...-Maj•,:ify 33. • , • •
• The Committee was then notninrred, and power was given to
it to lit notwithftanding any adjoainment of the itoufe. Some
time afo-rwaids Mr: Weiltrii gave notice, that nn Monday be .
ihould snore of nialte this an open Committee, inftesd of a seld
one, that was, time ail have voices WIG attend it..,Adjourned.•

The length of the debate in the Honk of Peers on
the Catholic Petition, prevents cur making room for
matters of lets int:reit. We mutt however Rate one
piece of intelligence of whic4 the public are not yet
informed, and which is of the greaten importance.
On Thurfday tan, about three o'clock, a (pedal rnef-
fenger arrived at the Secretary of State's Office, with
the treaty that has been fo long negociating with the
Court of Ruulia, fealed and figned in due foi m.—
This treaty is offenfiveand defenfive. and franc of the
Northern Powers either are, or loon will be, parties
to it. public may now confider the war as only
. .
in its commencement:

Count Woaoki zow, the Ruffian Ambaffador at this
Court, alfo received difpatches on Thurfday, brought
by a Ruffian Courier, of the fame nature as thole
alluded to above.

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