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speaking of a state of things more fitted to the times of 1730 than
1630; but it was an error which he would, if be could, disabuse
the public mind. Ile contended that the views of the people upon
all subjects were vitiated ; that they had fallen into the snare laid down
fur them of seeing every thing through a false medium. He wished
they would listen to tilt voices of those who reminded them of the sem
timenrs of their ancestors. Voe to those who trusted to standing
armies arid military establishments, as guards for the liberties of the
country 1 the day would coin., sooner or later, when they would Mal
out that they had, indeed. leaned upon a broken reed, and repent,
when too late, that they had not more fostered that which teas a
'letter prottclion than such flimsy defences, the indomitable spirit
of the people of Englaml.—(hear). He took this opportuniry, as no
other.lion. member offered himself, of expressing litiopinions upon the
state n four military establishments generally. His last word upon the
subject should be the strongest protest which lie could enter against
it, as it existed at preae.rt. This denunciation should not be partial,
but sweeping. for It: dill nut go into details, nor confine himself .o
pecuniary considerations; but on the part of the institutions of the
country, and the national s;lirit of the people of England, he pro.
tested against the present amount of military force as excessive, and
burdensome to the grcarest extent. (Hear.)
Ile vote was than agreed to.
The next rc. Minion was Mr a vote of 3004461 for defraying the
charges of Order:ice superannuation allowances, and pensions of
disabled nflicers. _

Mr. 11('ME complained that sufficient care had not been taken
to draft persons capable of service from this class into active service,
by which a considerable saving of half-pay would accrue to the
country.—Vote agreed to.
The next was fur a sum of 62,6551. for superannuations to persons
lately belonging to the Ordnance and barrack-masters in Ireland.
Mr. 11U3IE asked whither the Chancellor of the Exchequer's
plan respecting superannuations comprehended those already fixed
The CILINCELIA/R of the EXCHEQUER replied in the tie.
gative; bin, when opportunities offered, and superannuated persons
were found capable of service, they were always preferred.
Colonel I/ANI1:8 asked why returns of persons superannuated
till they could lie otherwise provided for, as moved for by his hon.
friend (.11r. Hume), had not been produced. It would be seen, by
these returns, that some persons were kept upon the list for full
twenty years, while, in the mean time, abundance of opportunities
must have occurred of providing for them. He should like to have
some explanation of this.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER professed himself
unacquainted with what the hon. member was alluding to ; but lie
pledged himself to inquire, and report to the house.
Mr. 111_7111E pressed for the return, as necessary to set at rest ca-
twin facts which were now in dispute. He would give an instance.
It was reported that, although the superannuation allowances had
amounted to 23,0001. a-year, and the incumbents were, many of
them, young men capable of any employment, yet they were passed
over, and eight new individuals taken as secretaries into the War-
office. Was this so, the return would be the best answer to the
question.
Sir HENRY lIARDINGE—In)ny experience of the office not
a single new appointment has taken place. (hear.) In the time of
my predecessor, perhaps in the year 1815, four or five new clerks
were appointed, but there is no such instance in modern times It
might be as well to state here, that the business of the War Office
had increased greatly of late in consequence of some of the senior
clerks having been sent to regiments to investigate frauds committed
in their books. The obsence of such clerks rendered others neces-
sary, but their appointment had been sanctioned by the Treasury.
Vote agreed to.
The next vote was for 66,1221. for defraying the charge of extra
payments to the clerks of works at home and abroad. Agreed to.
113,4381. for defraying the works and repairs of the Ordnance,
after deducting the produce of old stores, were neat proposed.
Mr. IlUblE strongly protested against this accumulated charge
tinder the head of Ordnance repairs. Ile condemned the works at
Milford Haven--the keeping up of establishments at Sierra Leone,
the Canadas, the Mauritius, and several other colonies, as not an ad.
vantage, but a burden to the country.—Vote agreed to.
The next vote was for 194,3331. for defraying the charges of re-
pairs of barracks, and of barrack expenditure abroad.
Air. HUBIE expressed the surprise which he felt at dis-
covering that Gibraltar was set down in this list, as one of
the places to be benefitted
,by this grant. This was strange,
as there was already a tax collected in Gibraltar to meet
these barrack and garrison expenses. It appeared, however, that the
Proceeds of that tax had found their way into the king's privy rurse.
This, he contended, was a misapplication of the money ; for being
raised by. the king's warrant only, and not by virtue of an Act of
Parliament, the king could not direct the money from its original
purpose, without being guilty of an unconstitutional act. It was
strange that when money was raised expressly for a particular pur.
pose, that purpose should be,' after all, carried into effect by public
money, whilst the other money found its way into the king's coffers.
Mr. GORDON said he understood that a pledge had been given
by ministers, that the funds raised for these particular purposes in
the colonies would not be diverted from their original objects.—
This understanding was the more neawry to be very clear at this
moment, in consequence of a paper which had been sent to the
houses of several members, stating that the proceeds of some of the
colonial funds bad been increased three-fold. He alluded to the 4e
per cent, duties, which were originally granted to the Crown, upon
condition of its maintaining the fortifications of the colonies. This
fund, it was well known, had been misapplied for several years.—
Upon its amount some ambiguity prevailed, which it was of
portance to get rid of. His Honourable Friend (Mr. Hume)
who moved for a return of these duties, seemed to think that, be.
cause they were paid in sugar, they were but just arid to de.
fraying the ordinary charges upon the fund. But this was not
the fact. Last year they produced just three times as much as
in any former year—yielding 61,0001. last year, and 66,0001. the
year wherass they were but 28 or 29,0001. in former years.
Now, gentlemen might be curious to know how this great increase
was brought about. He would tell them. It was by die aid of the
law officers of the Crown. It appeared that the opinion of the
Attorney and Solicitor-General had been taken, as to whether the
King's sugars were subject to duty, and they decidedly gave their
opinion that they were not. What was the consequence ? The
Crown, which before received only the net proceeds after deducting
the duty, now received the gross proceeds ; so that by the assistance
of the taw officers of the Crown upon this occasion, its income had
been a good deal increased. He did not think this was an unfair
opportunity of making this statement.
After a few words from Mr. Gordon, Mr. flume, and Mr, Per-
cival, the vote was agreed to.
The next vote was 211,2131. for civil and military contingencies
in the ordnance.

Mr. HUME and Mr. MABERLY opposed the grant on the
ground that part of the duties were paid for by the estimates in the
engineer department.
The sum of 2,0001. was then granted to pay the fees in the ex.
chequer and treasury for the ordnance department.
On the motion that the Chairman report progress,
Mr. HOBHOUSE wished to know whether any alteration was to
take place in the barracks at Charing Cross. He had repeatedly
ii, made application on this subject when the Duke of 'ork was Com-
mander-in-Chief, and he had been led to believe t t some change
was to take place. At all events, he thought if t barracks were
not to be removed, some of the mousy voted ought to be expended
In making them appear respectable.
Mr. PERCEVAL said if barracks were to be kept up at West.
minster at all, he did not know a more convenient situation than the
present. He at the same time admitted that they were not in the
best condition ; but he was not aware that any of the money voted
would be expended in beautifying them, at least for the present year.
The LOMB ADVtiCATE moved the second reading of the
Scotch Judicature Bill

Sir C. FORBES intimated his intention of opposing this Bill,
unless some addition were made tot he salaries of the Scotch

Judges.
Mr. GORDON said he would oppose any motion to that effect.
The salaries of the Scotch Judges had been raised in the year 1810,
and when the house took into consideration the fall in the price of
provisions since that period, and the small duty which the Judges
bad to perform—being only engaged 80 days in the year. and
during that period for not more than two hours in the day—he was
convinced that the house would not support any such proposition.
After a few words ftom Mr. Faaeussow, Mr. 1101111 E
Davet-
moxn,and Mr. Hues, the bill was read a second time, and
ordered to be committed on Monday, the 10th of May.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the Douse
adjourued at Two o'clock.

MINORITY of 59, who voted in favour of Mr. HUM K's Mo-
tion, against the Vote for the Woolwich Academy.
Althorp, Lord Guest, J. 8. Phillips, G. R.
Banker, H. Honywood, W. P. Poynts, W. S.
flaring, F. Hobbouse, J. C. Ponsonby, Hon. G.
Bentinck, Lord G. Howard, H. Robinson, G. R.
Benet I,J. Howick, Lord Robinson, Sir G.
Buck, 1.. W. Kennedy, F. Bickford, W.
Carter, J. B. Knotchbull, Sir R. Ridley, Sir M. W.
Cave, 0. Labonehere, H. &bib's:pc, Col.
Cavendish, W. Lambert, J. 8. Blaney, R.
Clements, Lord Langston. J. H. Sykes, D.
Dawson, A. Lester, B. &rutr, Col.
Davies, Col. Moberly, J. Taylor, U. A.
Dickinson, W. Alorperb, Lord 'Manson. P.
Da Cane, P. Marshall, W. Warburton, H.
Bbrington, Lord Marjoribanks, S. Webb, Col.
Bacon*, Lord Martin, J. Wilbraham, G.
Ruston, Lord Mostyn, Sir T. Wood, Alderman
Fortescre, Hon. G. Milton, Lord Wood, J.
Graham, Sir J. Mooch, J. B.
Grattan. H. O'Connell, D. MUM.
Gordon, R. Power. R. Huse, I.