Star.
London, England, 1825-05-28 00:00:00

EQUITABLE LOAN BILL.

Lord DACRE movedthe second reading of the BiU.
Lord LAUDERDALE said, that the understanding bad been
that Counsel were to be heard on both sides on the second reading
of the Bill.
Lord DACRE said, that upon certain parts of the BR
be was certain that their Lordships would not hear
Counsel. He could not suppose that the House would
1 ear Counsel, on so narrow a point as the principle of
the Bill. The Company had no other objects, except
to act as pawnbrokers, taking only legal interest; an
ltistitution which could not tail to be highly beneficial
to the co- munity. lieu object was to assimilate this
Institution to those charitable ones en the Continent,
or !rich had called forth the approba ion of the ablest and
rno.t benevolent men. The opposition to which the
Bill had been subj-cted, he was compelled to say arose
from interested motives on the part of those who feared their own
private interests might be affected by it. The accommodation tO
the Public would be 20 per cent. less than what they at present
paid. He trusted, therefore, the Bill would be allowed to go to a
Committee. He must oppose the introduction of Counsel.
Lord LAUDERDALE s:ood there to assert the
consistency of their Lordships conduct. Was the House
t • shut their doors against Counsel in a point of so much
importance to the Petitioners? None ot the cases that
• had been cited bore upon the point. His Noble Friend
had stated the object of the Company to to to relieve the
poor; but he could prove that it was a Company that
dealt in Shares. From the diviaions in the Courts of Law the legality
of the Company had not been proved, and it was therefore necessary
that Counsel should be heard.
The LORD CHANCELLOR differed from some of
the opinions delivered in the Courts below. The Com-
pany, when first form-d, were not entitled to act as a
Corporate Body. The House was bound to look at
su:h Institu ions with a jealous eye, as much mischief
had arisen within the last two or three years from similar
Institutions. He zhould think it his bounden duty to
oppose the Bill in every stage, and should Counsel at
the bar prove his opinion to be et roneous, then let the
Bill be passed. Tie clause of suing and being sued in
the name of an Officer of the Company afforded no se-
eurity. The only adequate security was a grant from the Crows,
• or incorporated by a charter. What would be the condition of the
Members of those Companies, if the law afforded them no security
as to their transactions with each other? Ile was clearly of opinion
that Counsel should be heard.
—For hearing Counsel 20—Against It 20.
' •I'onblanque was heard
*same side.
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bringing the measure
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it would inevitably
excited in Ireland.
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Carnall a person
Cape of Good Hope.
the present Govern:
sanction the tyranny
ircumstances be was
Pttitioner, and were
sentenced to trans-
the Governor, Cott-
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but notswith the privity or knowledge of the Petitioner. Oa the'
news of his escape, the Petitioner was dragged from Ws home to
the Cape, without a warrant, and imprisoned in a cell twelve feet
by eight, and sworming with vermin. He was subject to fits, yet
no person was suffered to come near him. According to the
Dutch laws, no poisoner Is allowed to be imprisoned more than
eight days without being broughj to trial. This individual, how-
ever, was imprisoned several days beyond that term, without
being brought to trial: he was eventually convicted, on the evi-
dence of a Hottentot Slave, who since confessed that sbe bad been
compelled to give evidence against Mr. Carnall under pain of
severe flogging. Thus it appears that any person wbo ventured to
find fault with anything at the Cape, was liable to be persecuted,
even to death, by Lord Charles Somerset. He was fined fifty rig
dollars, but the Government were dissatisfied with the sentence,
and appealed. He was tried a second time, and sentenced to trans-
portation for five years to Botany Bay. Against this sentence he
appealed to the Governor, who, in his great mercy changed the sen-
tence to that of five years' banishment from the Colony, He then
applied for permission to settle his affairs and secure his property,
but that permission was refused. He bad confined himself to the
statement of the facts of the cave, and would leave it to the disposal

of the House.
Mr. WIL 510T-HORTON said, that the punishment of the
Petitioner was not the act of the Governor, but of a Court of Jus-
tice, and it would be impossible to do more than to pledge them-
selves as to inquiry, and to afford redress if any substantial Injuries
were committed. In the Public Press no less than 24 inculpatory
articles bad appeared, which were sufficiently galling, but the pre-
sent Petition was yet more so, because the Honourable Gentleman
(Mr. Hume) should have recollected that Commissioners had been
sent to the Cape in 1823, for the purpose of examining how far the
Dutch laws, still in exiifence at the Cape, could be assimilated to
those of England. He was Lot opposed to inquiry—on the contrary ;
but he called on the House to wait until a Report should be re-
ceived from the Commissioners. He had received a Report relative
to the case of Edwards, which he should lay upon the table if any
Honourable Gentleman would move to that effect. He thought it
impossible for Lord Bathurst to reverse the judgment on the Peti-
tioner, and to afford him pecuniary compensation, as prayed by
him, upon a mere u pads statement; but as soon as the inquiries
could be made, if any injuries had been illegally or oppressively in-
flicted on the Petitioner, it should be, as far as possible, redresxed.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY said, that the delay of the Report was to
be attributed to the illness of one of the Commissioners.
After a few words from Mr. R. C0L10111414 the Petition was or-
dered to be printed.
A Message was brought from the Lor de, acquainting the House,
that their Lordships had agreed to the St. Katharine's Deets, and
other Bills.
Mr. BROUGHAM moved the first reading of the Bill, for in-
corporating a College in London, which was agreed to, and was
ordered'to be read a second time on Monday neat.
Lord A. HAMILTON moved the Order of the Day for the
third reading of the Small Debti Bill for Scotland, for the purpose
of moving that it be read a third time this day six months, it being
so much altered from its Original shape that he would disclaim it.
Th#LORD ADVOCATE moved that it be read a third time
now, which was agreed to without a division, and the Bill passed.
Mr. CANNING laid upon the table Correspondence between
British Ministers and Foreign Powers, relative to the Slave Trade.

• The House divided—For hearing Counsel 30—A
Counsel was then called in, and Mr. Vonblan
J mind the Bill.—The Recorder followed on the ear
The further hearing of Counsel was postponed
• -which day the House adjourned at Nine &Clock.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
I • Mr. S. WORTLEY•prevented a Petition from
I , assfacturen of Sheilield, praying that some ma
adored to prevent Combinations amongst Work
to the Committee on the Combination Laws.
Mr. CALCEAFT postponed the second rea
Olave Hart-street, Tithes Big. until Wednesday
Colionel DAVIES presented a Petition from cc
of Worcester, against certain Does exacted by
of Bristol.
Mr. LITTLETON moved the order of the di
• consideration of the Report on the Irish Elective
for the purpose of discharging it. This was a r
after the fate of the Bill, upon the success of wi
sequent.
Ccon olonel DAVIES expressed a hope that the I
tletnan would take an early opportunity of bring
again before the House.
Sir J. NEWPORT hoped, that the Honou
would not again bring the measure forward, as it
had to increase the irritation already too much e
After a few words from Colonel Pawns, and
• sox, the Order was discharged.
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