Star.
London, England, 1807-01-17 00:00:00

Mr. MONTAGLIE i►as flr dsotnotion, end con•
ceived that it was impotGbk Mi. Members to under-
hand the Inge& unites they had copies to. take to
their own bodes. He thou 1n the charge of goo
powder for Ceylon was uceWve, as that article could

he furnithed winch cheaper from Madras.
Mr. BIDDULPH was of the fame opinion, lie did
not blame Government for fending out the powder

this year, at the retina of the Governor ; but he was
convinced that gunpowder could be farnillted from
India not only at a cheaper rate, but cf a better
quality.
Mr. CALCR ArT again ctplained. •
Mr. VANSITTART Noted, that h would be of
public inconvenience to poitpone the debate an the
Edimates,a. a million of money was to be inimedi.

atelv iffued from the Treafory for thole let vices.
Mr. RUTHVEN Paid a few words in ftipport of
the motion.
Sir ROBERT WILLIAMS oppofed it, heeaufe
the Secretary at War (who ought to be the beil judge
on this fuhjed) confidered the priming of thofe pa.'
pets as dangerous.
Lord CASTLEREAGH Rated, that his reafons
for moving this day for the printing the ahltratt
rather than the enimares themfelves, were rather of

a perfonal flan •:. He hitnfelf, from his official
habits. would derive all the information he wanted
from the abßrail, and looking at the ellinnites on the
table for details. Although the abllraa might he
fuffieient for him, it did sot follow that other Geo.
demen, who had not been as much in the habits of
examining thofe papers, might not feel it necetiary
to have the eliimates themfelves.

The SECRETARY at WAR again rote, but as
he had already (poke's, and appeared to be going
beyond the bounds of explanation, upon the fugget-
lion of the Speaker, he fat down.
Mr. JOHNSTONE thought it necefary for him to.
repel the infinuation of a Noble Lord (Lord Temple).
that his °Nee was to delay the debate on the Mi.
mates. He confidered that there was great room for
reform; and that it would be neceffary far the items
to be examined. He was fure, that h fate things,
it would be either feen that the Right lionotnable
Gentleman had not fufficiently made himfelf mailer
of his duty, or drat hi* flatemensts would riot be
confirmed. it was well known, that in voting the
Eftimates, almoft all the different regimeuts were
Rated at the fame nuinber. He read of regiments of
cavalry, of lid men, and therefore this look kind
of fiatentent could give no important information to
the enemy. He wished, however, for the printing
of nix Estimates fern another motive. He wished
the Houfe to fee bolo the prefent Miniary had re-
deemed the pledges they had biuftered forth fo
vehemently of introducing izconomy. Hear, bear !
—Although they might refute the motion at pre-
fent, he could ffnd tome future opportunity of (hew-
ing what had been the conduit of thofe Minilters,
who,*with all their profeflions of ircondmy, began
with encreafint confiderably the falai ies cf their own
places—(loudcries of hear ! hear I)
Lord HOWICK Paid, that if that was the Hon.
Gentleman's motive for moving the printing, he
Mould have no objection to accede to his motion at
a fatare time, when it would anfwer his purpofe as
well, wihout interfering with the debate on the
Army Ettiirnatta. He was extremely *aeons, that
the conduit of the prefent Adminiaration, on the
lane of 'economy, thould be thoroughly 'fried, and
that it Mould be feen whether their conduit war-not
in union with their profeflions : (Loud cries of bear,
hear !) if if it was then underfiood, that the debate
fhould not be put off on account of the printing, and
that the obje&was what the Honourable Gentleman
had lift Hated, if he would poflpone the motion for
the prefent, at a future time he would be ready to
accede t' . _ _

Mr. JOHNSTONE had no objettion to withdraw-
ing his tnotion fot the prefcnt on that uncle:Rending.
Mr. PER:"..TVAL fuggefied that it would be the
better way to vote on Wednefday a conliderable fum
of money (as snuth as was necerfary) towards the
Ellitnates, but not to vote the whole until the items
had been examined. ' _ _

• Lord HOWICK could not agree to this fuggeftinn.
When he Paid he thould.vote lot the pi 'toting, it was
not as applicable to that debate, for there had been
fufficient notice and fufficient time. It was merely to
allow the Hon. Gentleman to examine the ciaidud of
his Majefty's Minifters on the (core of economy:
Mr. WHITBREAD congratulated the Houle and
the country at finding that the Gentlemen on the
ether fide had fo completely changed their fyftem,
as that they who Conftantly tefufed information when
they were Minifters, ihould now perceive the propriety
of demanding it. If the Honourable Gentleman only
wilted for thefe papers for ulterior objects; it would
certainly be the belt way to withdraw the motion for
the prefer%
After a few words In explanation from Lord
Howice and Mr. Jona “ns 6, and a few übfervations
from Lord HENRY PATTY,
The SPEAKER mentioned, that from his experi-
ence of the length of time that k took to print the
papers of the Houle, lie was convincio that it would
Oecafton a !rely eonfiderable delay if thole papers
were to be printed before the debate on tht Eflimates.
• Mr. JOHNSTONE then withdrew his motion for
the prefent.
• The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
brought the return of the Effellive Force of the
Volunteers, pnrfuant to an order of the Houle.
Mr C. W. WYNNE obtained leave to bring In a Bill to enable
the King to avail Wad( of the Services of freb Militia Regi-,
meats in Ireland. as Ibsuld volunteer to ferve in England.
Mr. Eli/DOLPH palpated Pe die. the n aim he gave yef
terday, for Tudday nest, refpeeting a Refolution fur the Aboli-
tion of Places, Penftons, Stu
Lord FOLKESTONE brought up a Petition for enlarging the
"time for receiving the recognizance, on the Milboerne Port Elec-
tion Petition. The Petition Rated, that the parties attended yef
terday, but were not permitted to give in their rec imixances, SS
it appeared that no notice bad been given to the Bitting Member.
The Paithm, therefore, prayed that the dme might be enlarged
to Tudday nat.
Mr. LEICES TER, the Sitting Member. obferved, that the
only reafon Rated in the Petition was ignorance of the fending
order of the Hoofe, which could not be admitted as an apology
for fo graft a nqietft.
Mr. PERCEV AI. fupported this opinion ;•ard
The SPEAKER alto gave hit fentiments to the fame died.
After which the quellion was negatived without a divilion.
Mr. 8. BOURNE prefented a Petition from I. HAWKINS, and
other Metiers of Dublin. praying that the time foe reeelvieg re.
COpillbet, might be enlarged till the sth of February; and a de-
bate ariliog thereat, the fame was adjourned tip Tuefday nest.
The frith Controverted Elation 1 XS was rad a fecotd
time. and ordered to be committed on Tudday scat.
Mr. C. W. WYNN'S brogebt tip the kW =Ma Voluntary