Star.
London, England, 1802-06-11 00:00:00

The Report of the Coroner's Bill was received,
and an Amendment WAS propofed and adopted,
after which it was moved, That the Bill fo amend-
ed thould be engroffed.--Strangers were ordered
to withdraw, and a divifion took place, when the
numbers appeared—For thegpeßion 23—Againfl
it 35—Majority to againft the Bill, which is thus
toil for the prefent Seffion.
JIMMY ISTIMATES.
When firangers were re-admitted, we found
Mr. Fox addreffing the Houfe upon the motion
for agreeing to the Report of the Refutations of
the Committee of Supply, to whom the Army
and Ordnance Elliniates were referred. "As the
k heal," he laid, "of a peace eftablifhment, I think
it is a me afore more unpflifiable, as it refpeas the
Conflitution of the country, than has been adopted
fines the yen'. 1783—but I (ball not now go into
the general dikuffion of the quellion, as I under-
-11:nd it is not propefed as a permanent ellablifb-
ment, but applies only to the prefent year. If it
was a prOrOlit ion for a permanent oftabliflonent, I
Eoald think I could not give a more folid fupport
to th: peace than by voting, and endeavouring to
perfuade the Houle to vote againft it. This is
not the featim for exprefTing my fentiments, be-
caufe the general peace ellablifhment is not the
queflicn before the Houle. I however thought it
necefary not to omit the very_firft opportunity
that prefented itfelf, of entering my proteft against
a military eflimate 'upon a Peale fo far beyond
what the circumflances of the country call for.
—I confider that any future Seffions of Parlia-
ment is not bound on any admitted principle,
to confider this Parliament as having decid-
ed by its vote any eftablifhment—hut, as
I have already Paid, peace
think it neceffary at
prefent t 3 difctifs that part -of the fubjeCt. The
quellion is to be confitiered under three points of
view : firft, as it relates to Great Britain ; fecond-
ly, as it regards Leland ; and rattly, as it refpefis
the Well -India Colonies. As to the two laft
points, if the Government is mad and wicked
enough to perfevere in the Slave Trade, and to lay
the country open to all the dangers of that
graceful, abfurd, and inhuman traffic, I am not
prepared to fay whether it may or may not be ne-
ceffary to increafe the military eftabliffiment of the
country in colonic, fo illgoverned as they soul
be ;—and with refpedt to Ireland, I am not pre.
pared to fay, that after all the atrocities which
have been perpetrated in that country—after all
the abominable and unjußifiable barbarities and
indignities which have been exercifed upon the
people, adJed to the manner in which what was
called the Union was procured—l am not, 1 fay,
prepared to maintain that it may not be neceffary
to keep up a greater military eftabliffiment in that
• country than formerly. Bot with regard to Great
Britain, I have no difficulty in fa} ing, that maul
reafons may be given why an elle
derably left than the one in the year :783 ought
en be adopted; but I cannot conceive upon what
principle confluent with the terms of peace, a
greater eftabliffiment can be recommended to the
Houk than what was thought neceffary at that
period. This, however, is not the burin& of the
prefent day. /.rote merelyao Rate how I eon&
tiered the declaration of his Majeily's Minifters
upon the fubjed. I confider this as a temporary,
and not a permanent arrangement, and that the
queftion ot a future eflablifhinent will be open to
the difcuffion of Parliament."
Mr. CIIANCILLOR of the Excuse:wait—go Sir, I
entirely eon to the propofition of the Right Hon.
Gentleman, that this is an eflablifhment for the
semainder of the year only, and that the Parlia-
ment is not to be fettered by any vote it may come
to on this queftion. The Right Hon. Gentleman
has infared from information he has received, of
what paffedin this Hoofe LA night, that the pre-
test 'Pima', is not intended to torm the balls of
any future peace ellablithment. It is only from
au anxiety not to be anfunderflood that I advert
to this. If he merely means to fay. that with
sefpea to the amount of tife army, the eflimate
sow voted is not to be confidered as the balls of a
future propofition, I admit be is right—it is not
to be fo confidered, nor is Parliament to be bound
by it. But with refpelt to the Mode and plan it-
felf of our military eflablillament, I am defirous
• of having it fully underßood that it is intended
to have stronger battalions in nor dbrrifons abroad,
and larger armies at home, than exifted dyeing
the Peace ; and fo far the propofed military ate-
blilhment, as defcribed in the vote of the Com-
mittee, is the balls of the plan to be adopted here-
after. If it bad not been for the authority of
the Right Honourable Gentleman, I floold not
have ruppofed that there could, on any principle
of common fence, viewing what is the aftual
fituation of Europe, have been entertained the
(mallet eltsrce of doubt as to the policy of re-
cognizing the propriety and expediency of keep-
ing up a larger Peace -EftabliMment than that
which took place after the peace of 1783, the
Right Hon. Gentlecnan has admitted, that there
may be cirelimliances that would require a con-
Unable military fusee in the Well Indies, and be