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more strength to the Established Chute's, than
removal of the disabilities affecting theCatholies.
The question was, whether the Church would be
, Civil endaneered by Catholics being admitted to
13 I ar'ocl Military Offices, and to sit iet Parliae
l
, -or, by their being embodied in one mass, ren-
t solid and Ampact by persecution, and deck
Iv tostile to an establishment made the pretext
iteir sufferings, and with every tie severed by
they might hive been drawn to amity and
:ion? This was the real question, and he would
this part of his speech with expressing his
friction,
that to decide it on principles of intole-
, mould be an error in policy, such as could be
by few of those to which the misery of
could be traced. Nothing now remained
,him but to make a few observations with respect
,the immediate object of his motion, and the time
yl chosen to brine it forward ;---with respect to
:latter, the consideration of the question had been
' from time to time, under circumstances
, were neither satisfactory to the complainants,
to the public. On Jan. 21, when it was brought
the no:ice of their Lordships, he had objected
the manner in which it was brooght-forveard, and
the Course of the subsequent discussiini on April '
be had stated it as his opinion, that it should not
;allowed to remain till a tempest should be awaked
ithuitteight be found very difficult to allay, for the
veinroice he had then raised, subsequent events
vsiewie that there was but too much reason ;—a
of suspicion and jealousy had been excited, un-
indeed, but the natural consequence of de.
hope, which the manifestation at that time of
disposition to conciliate would have obviated ;
shduld that sprit be now made a ground for fur-
, resistance, most improperly would it be so. Did
Dot on the contrary furnish the strongest possible
to induce the Government to take the question
their own eye, to take it out of hands by which i
ieould be unskilfully managed, he did not mean
but elsewhere. Not to permit it to float abroad
[allying point, as it were, for the multitudinous I
which a question so delicate and so important I
naturally collect around it. Finally, not to
.or delay wresting it out of the hands of an 1
iy, he did not mean in Ireland, but in France.— !
Noble Lord then insisted on the danger of de-
while the principles of agitation were so active,
ling to Gon, that it was his most sincere opi-
that if circumstances admitted of the immediate
!ration of the question, it should not be deterred !
an hour. He did not, he said, depart from the I
he had given on the 23d of April, which was,
Ilt"e its consideration at as early a period as cir-
•
utances would admit. The next point to consi-
he observed, was, the nature of his intended
the object of it would be, to promote such
et and conclusive aeljustment as might con.luee
the tranquillity of the United Kingdom, and to the
d satisfaction of all classes of his Majesty's sub- .
Whether the object he proposed to himself was
Able by the means he had devised, would ap-
by the result of the Resolutions, if they were ;
1. To remove immediately all sources of dis-
tant, he was apprehensive, was not immediately
and an attempt to do solvould be found, he
convinced, premature. The question which he
to press was, not the situ:akin of the law, but
whole sfstem, and the advantages of conciliation.
lilication, with respect to the law, might be sub-
;of after consideration; he wished a public pledge
be Elven to this effect, and if given, whenever it !
redeemed, he would be prepared to enter into
question, with the assistance of other men, more I
'ified to take the lead on such an occasion than
elf, and to whom he would willingly concede!
precedence. The depravity of the whole system,
trusted, would then be fully developed, and he
,itly prayed to the ALMIGHTY, that the result
,at be tranquillity and concord. if the system
resistance should be persevered in, it would be
ifgcult to say to what evils it might'give bit th. If
people of Ireland fed that it was the detet mina-
tithe Legislature not to east a glance towards the
ie system by which they were oppressed—that
were to cherish no hope of relief, but that their
aim was to be acknowledged and established
the sanctuary of the Constitution, as forming part
the palladium of that Constitution, and the bul-
`of the laws—to what such a conviction might
he dreaded to look forward ; but should their
-.nips be disposed to adopt the proposition he
!kid now make, he had the most sanguine hopes
'it would be found ultimately to have the effect
imparting strength to the empiie, and tranquillity
'lreland. The Noble Marquis then moved,
That the House of Lords will, early in the next Session of
Aarnent, take into their mast scr!otts consisieration the state
dle lasts i:flectiitg his Majesty's Itonian Catholic Subjects in
Britain and Ireland, ',nit a view to such a final and couci-
AT adjustment as may he coldticivc to the peace and siri
tileUsited Kit•gilorn, to the stability sit the Protestant ENta-
slitaent,and to the general satisfaction and cc .1:ord of all classes
to Majesty's rubjec,s.
The Motion being put from the Woolsack,
lad LONGFORD rose, and strenuously op-
-I"'d the motion of the Noble Marquis. The claims
let both by the Catholics he thought it highly dau-
gtetrslo concede, while Bonaparte held his power
ariuence over the head of that religions body.
vacessiol:, as far as - ind sound policy would
tut there were bounds
the precept 4s thus tar
ought nut to be for-
onable to requite larger
been granted, without
:sequences. He 'could
merely religious. lie
if a political character,.
pensible. The charge
advanced by the Noble
were adverse to the
lirns, he thought mis-
repeating, that unless
, lie must oppose the
.LOR said, there was
im more sincere satis-
I, that the sentiments
!s subject were wrong,
I lie vole for the N 4 ble
convinced, he was con-
al respect him the more,
-mest opposition. Much
fn oould be ptit at rest.
tuis's wish was. to give

, rairt more strength to the Established
e removal of the disabilities affecting tl
I The question wae, whether the Chur
, ore endangered by Catholics being a
t 014 Civil and Milita.ry Offices, and to
.or, by being embodied in on
r ;ed solid and ewmpact by persecution
,ediv tostile to an establishment made
• their sufferings, and with every tie
r ich they
might have been drawn to
,
lion? This was the real question, at
L . dude this part of his speech with ex
• „viction, that to decide it on principl
ae would be an error in policy, such
Jailed by few of those to which tl
• eions could be traced. Nothing no
• him but to make a few observations •
• Ale immediate object of his motion, 2
i aad chosen to brim it forward ;—witl
latter, the consideration of the questi
• ed from time to time, under ci
hid; were neither satisfactory to the et
to the public. On Jan. 21, when it •
,„jet the nteiee of their Lordships, he 1
, the manner in which it was brotighof
the course of the subsequent disc ussii
.4,he had stated it as his opinion, that i
' ;,- allowed to remain till a tempest shoul
thiamight be found very difficult to a
eueirroice he had then raised, subset
• idshessaa that there was but too much
;tit of suspicion and jealousy had been
anted indeed, but the natural conseq
• • hope, which the manifestation at I
disposition to conciliate would hai
shduld that sprit be now made a grc
1 resistance, most improperly would i
s sot on the contrary furnish the stron►
, •n to induce the Government to take
er their own eye, to take it out of has
would be unskilfully managed, he di
f . ,but elsewhere. Not to permit it to
allying point, as it were, for the at
• 's which a question so delicate and
d naturally collect around it. Fit
t • ct or delay wresting it out of the
•y, he did not mean in Ireland, but
Noble Lord then insisted on the d
• while the principles of agitation we
ting to Gore that it was his mos
that if circumstances admitted of tl
I ;deration of the question, it should in
an hour. He did not, be said, dep
a ..ge he had given on the 23d of Apri
age its consideration at as early a
tances would admit. The next p
I •he observed, was, the nature of
I ;on ; the object of it would be, to
t fad and conclusive adjustment as m
1 the tranquillity of the United Kingdo
I . al satisfaction of all classes of his 11,
Whether the object he proposed tc
•inable by the means he had devise
• oby the result of the Resolutions,
r .pted. To remove immediately all si
eont, he was apprehensive, was not
▪ Aar, and an attempt to do so-would
• convinced, premature. The questi,
ed to press was, not the situation of
• whole system, and the advantages of
) • oilieation, with respect to the law, n
,0 :of afier consideration; he wished a I
; be haven to this effect, and if given,
s redeemed, he would be prepared I
question, with the assistance of othe
ified to take the lead on such an r
rmself, and to whom he would willii
_ h precedence. The depravity of the v
trusted, would then be fully devele
outly prayed to the AehowiTy, chi
'ght be tranquillity and concord. 11
resistance should be persevered in,
.14cult to say to what evils it might'gi
.• people of Ireland fed that it was ti
in of the Legislature not to cast a giant
• .ective system by which they were opt
y were to cherish no hope of relief, t
i,t gradation was to be acknowledged an
sanctuary of the Constitution, as
ht the palladium of that Constitution,
set of the laws—to what such a tout
/41 he dreaded
to look forward ; bui
• iedshi is be disposed to adopt the pi
now make, he had the most sa
at it would be found ultimately to ha
°imparting strength to the empire, an
klftland. The Noble Marquis then n
"That the House of Lords will, early in the
f karnrnt, take into t
\fheir molt;wrtotts corpas!t
hislaws lajesty s Ittintan Catt
lj 6test firitain and g
Ireland, wi:h a view to such a
6 adjustment ai may he colito d cive the
r iLicUtated Kit•gtiont,to the stn'ltilityutll t
le
e general satisfaction and cc

as tar as reason an
he was willing to yield, In
6
d limits to be observed • and
i4lt thou go and no further,"i
r.r' Eaten,. It Was quite unreasot
scions than had already
4(quate security agiinst corn
i•cs consider the question as
" l':ught,it Was much more of
tisecurity he deemed indispe
i 4 ligotry, which bad been
as 14riuis against those who
3 tide of the Catholic clai
Iv' , lied, and concluded with g feet security were offered,
hotc demands.
ra The ;LORD CHANCEL]
thing which could give hit
le gibs) than to be convinced,
he
1' entertained on this
rf thentnolt sincerely would
n• u s motion but, if not that Noble Lord would
giviitg hit motion the firmt
wished, that this questiot
belieted ;he. Noble Man
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