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London, England, 1809-04-12 00:00:00

-1:../S1 4A-131.1 P,,nRoNAGE.

We have already given the report of the Commit-
te- appointed to enquire into 1:1,:t-India patronage.
The minutes of evidence, amounting to upwards et I
'2OO folio pag,.s, have now been printed. The fol-
lowing are some of the most pri,ininf•nt transactions
which have been brought to light by that evidence.
The following bt.iel narrative of the particulars of
this transaction, will render the evidence more easily
intelligible. It appears that Mr. Reding had under,
taken to negociate this exchange upon the following
cialditions: that 30001. or guineas, was to be paid for
the writership by a Mr. Livie, for whose son it was
to be obtained ; that this 30001. was to be divided
into three parts, whereof one was to go to Reding
himself, one to a Mrs. Grove, who lodged in the
house of Donovan, and the third to a Mr. Davis, by
Nyhom Reding was introduced to Mr. Livie; that
Reding actually obtained his share of this money in
the shape of a loan, for which he gave Mr. Livie his
promissory note, and for the non-payment of which
he is now in custody. The narrative is here taken
up by

REDINGS'S EXAMINATION.

Did you expect, at the time the money was lent to you, you
should be called upon to repay this sum of money ?—1 slid expect
to pay it certainly, if the thing did not go on; if the thing went
on, I should not have paid it.
Did you expect the transaction to go on ?—1
Then, if you expected the transaction to go on, did you ex-
pect to be called upon to repay the money ?—No, certainly not,
tithe thing was completed.
What was the understood condition of this agreement ?—That
if the one had not the seat, the other was not to have the wri-
tership ; this was the way I understood it.
Through whose means was the writership to be procured ?—1
beg to ask permission, if it is not too great 4 favour, to wait till I
examine my accounts.
Answer to the best of your recollection ?—This writership was
to be received from one of the Members of the Board of Coutroul
originally. It is a thing that I have no wish to displease the House
in, in any shape whatever; but it is hard that I should be obliged
to disclose the secrets.

It is necessary you should disclose every thing you know—
through which of the Members of the Board of Controul did you
understand this appointment was to be obtained?—The Earl of
Clancarty.
How did you know it was to be obtained through his means ?
—I waited upon his Lordship, and he wrote to me afterwards
to come to him. I wrote to another Nobleman, a friend of mine.
Who was that other Nobleman ?—That Nobleman is now
dead ; it was the Marquis of Sligo.
You wrote to him ?—1 hail the honour of being very intimate
with him; I told him, if this one thing could be done, I would
manage to assist his friend to get the other.
Which was to be got for his friend, the writership or the seat
ih Parliament ?—The seat in Parliament.
Did he give you any letter to Lord Clancarty ?—None ; the
Marquis of Sligo called at my house at different times, and we
conversed upon this subject, and I received a letter to come to
the Board of Controul.

Frnin whom was that letter ?—l.nrdClancarty. Before I ohey-
ed this note, I waited upon the Marquis of Sligo, and told him
I had a letter; he said, I know you haw, it ir my man. I did not
know Lord Clancarty at the time. In consequence of this letter,
I came to the Board of Controul, and several steps of negotiation
took place respecting this seat and thi, thing. 1 did not know that
I was doing wrong, for it was not selling the seat.
• • . • • • •

When did you first become acquainted with Lord Castlereagh?
—1 never bad hut one interview with Lord Castlereagh in my life.
At what time was that ?—That I cannot downright say ; but it
was the letter end of the year 1805, or the beginning of 1806.
can refer to documents as to that, when I get home, from which
I will satisfy the Committee.
Why did you suppose that Lord Clancarty's letter desiring to
see you should have been written in consequence of an application
from LordCastlereagh,whom you had never seen but once in your
life ?—Lord Castlereagh being in the same office where Lord
Clancarty was; I never saw Lord Clancarty before.
Did you know Lord Castlereagh before ?—1 saw him once.
Was that before ya.ur interview with Lord Clancarty ?-1 be-
lieve it was, but I cannot be absolutely positive.
What conversation had you with Lord Castlereagh at that in-
terview ?—I cannot at this moment recollect.

Did you make any proposal to him with regard to a writership ?
—I do not know that I did ; it is my opinion that I did not.
Did you make any proposal to him with regard t• a seat in
Parliament ?—1 rather think I have.

Recollect, so as to he accurate.—The pursuit I had in view at
that time, was that thing ; and I do think I have (if I have not in
those words, I have in some degree) intimated it perhaps not in
blunt languzge.
Did you believe that in your first interview with Lord Castle-
reagh, you intimated either in blunt or polite language, any thing
with regard to procuring a seat in Parliament ?—I believe it was.
on something of that kind that I waited upon his Lordship, by a
note from Lord Castlereagh, by appointment.
Are you sure that you ever received a note from Lord Castle-
reagh appointing a meeting ?—I am.
Have you aRy such note in your possession ?—1 have.
What were you ?—A Gentleman ; I never was in any business ;
I had always enough to live upon.
When Lord Clancarty said, if you can do ene thing can you do
another, did he mean the seat and the Writership?—Those words
arc no, to be explained ; it is understood these things are nut to
be publicly said in downright English langnage.
Have you any doubt, that in speaking of this to be done, and
that to be received, he understood as well as yourself, that one al-
io ded to a writcrship and the other to a seat in Parliament ?
Not a shadow.
Where was the scat ?—The seat was in Ireland.

Fur what Borough or County ?--It was on the recommenda-
tion of Lord Sligo that it was to be done, I do not know exactly
the name of the place.
A seat that Lord Sligo could influence ?---T do not know that
it was downright his own, but he could get such a thing eff..ctcd.
• 4 . ♦ • * • • • • •

Produce any papers you have brought, in consequence of the
orders of the Committee yesterday, relating in any degree to the
transactions respecting which you were question,..d.—As far as re-
lates to this subject, any thing I should be called here for I am.
willing to explain. Having been unfortunately taken away, I
thought I could put my hand upon many memorandums, but I
find that both Mrs. Reding and my servants luive thrown away
let tors and memorandums that I cannot at this moment account
for; but I have selected as many as I thought would throw light
upon this subject, and have brought them here.
[A letter from Lord Castlereagh, dated 24th Nov. 1805, was read.]
Is that the only note you had from Lord Castlereagh ?-1 have
been examining, and can find no other ; if I can find it among other
bundles of papers, I will bring it with jleasure.
Do you remember receiving any other note or letter from Lord
Castlereagh?-1 believe I did, but it Nvas the same sort of thing, a
complimentary note. I recollect that I received a note from Lord
Castlereagh, appointing a meeting in Downing-Ntreet ; I went
there, and his secretary, Mr. (,Dolt;•, a:,ked me what my business
was; I told him I had not coma: to him, I tame to wait upon
Lord Castlereagh, and I would not tell him my business, and went
away; he was offended I would not tell him. and I was offended
he asked me ; and Lord Cailtreagh 11,rcte to me again.
Did you see Lord Castlereagh in consequence of this note, or a
second note ?—I did see him, but I cannot say whether it was in
consequence of this note, or another.

In what month did you see him ?-1 believe it was about that
time; I should imagine it was in consequence of that letter, or
another, within a week or ten days.

About the end of bl,:vrmber, 1805 ?_Yes, I should imagine
that was about the time it nin,t have been this, or a letter that
passed a few days before or liter this, which I have produced. j
What passed in that conversation ?—My Lord Castlereagh,
when I was introduced to him, asked me the name of the Prin-
cipal, and where the seat was ? I told him, as a gentleman, I could
not tell him that. I was bound to secrecy to my friend ; if his
.Lordship did not wwie that question, I must think no more of it;
on which his Lordship was highly t.ttended, and we parted, and I
never spoke to Lord Castlereaph since that I recollect.
How did he know that ycu 0.t.1 any proposal to make to him,
relative to a seat in Parliament ?—I wrote him to that effect.
• • •• ••• • • •

'Were you rot dismissed from the conversation with seeming
displeasure on the part of Lord Castlereagh ?—lt appeared so ; I
was t.flltr:ded myself.
Have yen any letter from Lord Clancarty ?—I have.
[Letter read from Lord Clancarty, dated the 29th of Oct. 1805.]
Did you see Lord Clancarty in consequence of this letter ? I did.
Wh:t passed between you in that conversation ?—1 told Lord
Clarcarty, (I am not confident whether it was in that first conver-
sation or not) if he would assist to get a young gentleman to India
Wr would return him to Parliament.

Him, Lord Clancarty ?—Yes him, Lord Clancarty.
What did he say in answer to that proposal ?—Lord Clancarty,
as nearly as I can recollect, told me it would he an object of great
moment to Ministers, and to Lord Castlereagh. I believe he was
then out of Parliament; I think it was before Lord Castlereagh
got in for Boroughhridge. He said it was a great object to Lord
Castlereagh, or any other branch of the Administration, to get
into Parliament; will you tell me where this is; I said I must be
circumspect. Before I embarked in this thing, I was not aware I
was doing any thing which would incur the displeasure of the
House of Commons. I said, your Lordship is superior to any
claim that the House of Commons has, and I shall be left in the
lurch ; he said, No, I am not, for I ant only an Irish Peer. I said
I was not aware of that. I thought he was one of the returned
Members ; i said I had no wish to incur the displeasure of the
House of Commons; if I could do any thing to oblige his Lord-
ship or Lord Castlereagh, I should be very happy, but not being
able to do it without running a risk,l think I had better drop it.
He said, No, I am as subject as you are to the censure of the
House of Commons. Then his Lordship said, if I world come
to him again, the business might perhaps go on, on which account
I received some other notes from his Lordship. The notes I have
written to hint I cannot find, but here are his answers.
[Letter from Lord Clancarty, dated Terrace, Spring-Gar-
dens, Wednesday evening, read.]
Mr. RrDlNG.—That was sirce the other; the note that Lord
Castlereagh had sent him was the original one; I had not the
honour of knowing him before that.
I[Letter from Lord Clancarty, dated Tekce, Saturday, read.]
[Letter from Lard Clancarty, dated India Board, Thursday,
read.]
Have you sbewn the Committee all the notes you have of Lord
Clancarty ?-1 have shown all I can find.
What passed at this meeting which you had with Lord Clan-
carty ?—I agreed with him, in one void, that had he given a friend
of mine an appointment to India, he, Lord Clan:arty, should be returned
to Parliament. Lord Clancarty was afterwards desirous to know
from me where he was to he returned for, and by whom ; I told
hint at all times, because I was confident of my friend, that it
would not cost him a single guinea ; if he would get the appoint-
ment for this young gentleman, my friend should return him;
and these are the letters on that subject, though they may be writ-
ten in words which the world are not to understand.
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