Star.
London, England, 1804-04-11 00:00:00

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IlttLN 11d,the objeAs einCntaidwea for,oifing
'pot think titgt there, new enitipat.
irxilii.ft .44elnaq of reinnii,,rtbsoi troth, one c. ant-
t't 4*"4lltlirsr.. , if .the Militia was Roble to .be fent
Atli. be to be treated: ai' Regulars. this Honk
-Woof lore the.bel) defence of the _country. for his
pan, ItXthiltsglit that the snore confined Makin re-
st:bead *re: to their own counties. the more cat-
enated they were for the national defence. He'
viewed the pulpit meafure therefore 'to be 1:i direl
oppofition to found eitfillutional policy. In conic-
quence of tbie prop4ed meafure, he had already
leerd of the men of one In' Militia Regiment hay'
ing agreed to volunteer their fervices, wtihnsit the
concurrence of one Officer: He thought it would
tether tend to dignities the dkfporable tome? and
would raife a crimpetitkon for recruitinn the army.
lig' ITCHES was afraid, if the Itilb Militia 1
*Pet 'tied to come hither. it would rather teed
'to cs, eeertions and weaken ant. old military
*fpitit. Could difcern no kind of anion between
the two countries tbst kouldbe Rrengtbened by this
Sill,,*bat that of intermarriages. Bin without at all
leffening the propenfity to gallantry in our [rah
neighbours; .per, when he refitted on the chiffity of
theladiesof this country,he could entertain but feeble
hopes even of this effea taking place. In cafe of any
&Taunt danger to Ireland whilft fo many of its mili-
tia were ablent. this would only tend to increafe the
' fliffatisfaition sad inmate the aggregate of evil in
that ill fated country. . .
Sir R. HILL read as extraa of a letter front a ne.
pliew.of his, now a B. igadier General in Ireland. and
solo bad (creed at Toulon and in Egypt,llrongly re-
Commending an exchange of the Militia of both coun-
tries. The 'Worthy Baronet addednothing particular
°this own, wifising this to be confide:cd as the elecla-
. Xistion of his own opinion.
col. VEREKER laid, he was exceedingly grad.
tea by the letter which had been jun read : hut as it
was acknowledged that Ireland was the molt
.vulner-
stlsB4inint, he could not underhand how any zeal or
irrictlifm could be properly afcribed to thofe Regi.
ilia! wbo could confect to leave their coustry when
afejsepnideerkh danger. Thole regiments were (aid
',c! be. 44 nill dirC;pllned and as ferviceable ai the re;
solar army—and it was propofed to replace than
with others far inferior. Thus was a manifen injury
to the lifter counts'', and on that account he felt in-
elitted to oppofe the meafure, and even conferred that
be had come front Ireland for the earth pstrpofe of
opwfition to the A&
- Mr. WINDHAM raid be Wend. einthe prefect
occarton, recapitulate and enlarge upon his ((inner ob.
jealous to the propofed plan, which. he had timid
when the matter was irll before the nook. It was
impolEble to confider this, or any other fimilir Ines•
Pure, without adverting to every part of the military
fifteen. The cafe of 1798 differed. in his opinion, km
caterrom the yrefiiit one. When :heEngrith militia, at'
that time, went over to Ireland. the rebellion elided,
and the enemy was near their (bores. There was not
qoly a difference of times bist a difference of ci:cune-
fanus which ought to be tel into notice. He con-
eted that he now tatendettn oppofe a meafure which
be formerly fupported. He needed not to affiga
fatly as a rearm for fuch a conduit that the times
have changed ; experience. too, had taught hint die
furors of that plant and the numerous evils which
arife from it. Stich voluntary offers from Militia
Regiments had very mifchievons cleat upon their
difcipline and fubordination. To overcome Inch
objections, a fufficient cafe of apparent necellity
was wanted. It was, in a certain degree, inconfift.
eat with, or injurious to that good faith which ought
to be °Waved. The nffer of any individual may be
volnntary, and ft might be laid ookraii nor li injwria,
tint kilt nhiations occurred to the propriety of ac-
denting ludo an offer. It had • bad area upon
the. difcipline of Inch regiment. by encouraging a
relhon of deliberation quite incontinent with rnili-
tarr nffisitt. 'Oat deliberation would not end in the
firli innance. When the voluntary offer was made ;
it would continue with the extended retake, and
they would be entitled to determine how long they
were to aft upon fuels principles. Experience (hew-
ed the trudr.athis affection: when the Engin!: Militia
were in Ireland, the officers of thole regiments never
porefed that influence which they formerly fiad when
an this country. 't'he intended meafure was. he
thought, a clandelline mode of ailing towards the
Militia. There was nothing more true, than that
there might be renfens known to Government for the
adontion of tech a plan, which Minifters did not
declaralmtehen he would with them to of candidly
and fillely,.and to ray plainly that Inch fccret reafons
isdikid.. yid ;sly upon the honour of the Houle.—
rm BM west to confer a power to be ufed as caeca:
floe might requite. Power was, no doubt. very de.
firable-to have. but the manner of obtaining it was in
aline violation of the principles he had alluded to.—
NVhentbetiatareathi.voluntery fetviee wise:mined,
sps/la all the circumnantes attending it, it occurred
(o bins that it was really a thing which would
not keep, it npt immediately ofcd when offered. It
:as nut a commodity which would be laid by, it
was rnackarel itfelf; it mull be ufed immediately,
other ife it becomes ureters. It was not raying
that men would repent of their offers, but it muil
be confidered that the very circumtlances change.
and cyen the very men themfelves change. The
enemy might chance to approach Ireland when there
Militia arc in this country. and they would then feel
cloyofedto return. A cnnfiderablenumberot thee men
might happen to be changed. in the mean time, by
deficiencies being filed up ; and he would alit.. would
it be jun or tesfonable that men who come in by
ballot to join there regiments of Militia, fhould be
looked upon in the fame light with thole who had
previoufly tendered their re, vice ? It would be quite
abltird to. think of introducing rich a doittine. Mr.
Windham, concluded with laying, that under every
view of the fubjefl. whether it related to England or
Ireland, he could not, with the llightell pretence to
donnitational knowledge or found policy, give his
vote for the meafure.
J.ord CAST I-EREAGH felt that little was left
for hint to be dime, in convincing the H. tile of the
wirdom (.1 the propolition, rioce his Right Hon.
kriend had taken up and dilcuffed the tricition in fo
able and argumentative a manner. But he was con-
fident he fhoiald not virile himfcif to cr.ntradiition
in Baling, that an interchange of the Militia force
between the two ca,untriet, would matey i 4117 tend to
the intete its and fccurity of the whole empire. W i.h
repeat to the objciftious ai tang from the cunvcrfion

forte into a deliberative body, he was
ready to okirdema the principle, altbnegb the prac-
tice, few oroultl tkali. had been found, particuJarly in
the cafes eliminator; roraiee, and in affauks, of the
grpateft The Aueftion before the Hanle
*nest not to be &eided upon postal principles, but
upon the Pula* &minim is Which both-countries
were placed ; and while it tended to the more am,
tual fecurity of England, it would be found not, in
any degree whatever, to diminifts the means of pro-
tetkion and fafety which Ireland enjoyed. He could
not too ftroagly imps efs upon the minds of Gentlemen.
the advantages relishing from the addition of 10,000
men, in a Rate of the highell difcipline, by which
Government would be enabled to increafe end employ
the difpofable force of the country. Confideringi
therefore, the meafure either as one calling for im•
' mediate adoption, from the neceflity of the cafe itfelf;
or, as it was founded in wifdotn and found policy, he
felt it his duty to vote for the Speaker leaving thecbair.
Colonel HUTCHINSON explained, and took the
opportunity of deprecating the introduetion of any
foreign force into Ireland in lieu of that part of the'
_Militia which was to be transferred to England.
Mr. T. GRENVILLE thought, that in the cone.
deration of the qualm, the Houfe fhould have fome
eommunicatioa with regard to the force whizh was
bs fubßituted far tNit part of the lrifh Militia
which had volunteered its fervices to Great Britain.
Without that information it was, in his mind, impiif-
fible to come to a decifion upon the whole merits of
the queftion.
Lord DE BLAQUIERE aid, that while he was
in the army, ht had the experience of deliberation
with refpeft to particular acceptances of fervice, when
a propolition was made to go to certain parts; but
he begged leave to have it underftood that he expli-
citly abjured the general principle of deliberation in
artbodice.
SPEAKER having put the qoeftion for his
leaving the Chair, the Houfe divided—
Ayes I% Noes 54—Majority in favour of cite Bill 70.
The Houfe having gone into the Committee, and
refumed, the report was brought up, and ordered to
be received on Thurfday.
Mr. ALEXANDER brought up the report of the
Committee on the trills Militia Augmentation Bill,
recommending the adoption of a refolution, autho-
riling the Lords of the Irifh Treafury to advance,
for the Paid augmentation, a fum not exceeding four
guineas per man.
The refolution was read and agreed to, and it was
ordered that it &mild be an inliriation to the COM.
mittee of Supply to make provifion accordingly.
Adjourned.