Star.
London, England, 1807-07-08 00:00:00

DIVIDEN:S.

July to. John Pritty, of Hadleigh-,S;ffolit, grocer and draper,
at three, at the White Lion inn, in Hactkigh.
July 9, John Brown, of Liverpool, draper, at eleven, at the Green
Dragon Inn, Chefter.
July 7. Francis Oliver, of Tottenham High Crofe, Middlefee,
grocer, at one, at Guildhall.
July 7. Wm. Peter Watfan, of Selby, Yurkihire, mercer and
draper, at wee, at Guildhall
July 7. John Toter, of Ktngfton upon-Thames, Surrey, malt.
!ter, at owe, at Gulldhaft.
July 7 Johan* Hempel, of the King'a-road, Chelfea, Mlddlefer,
potter, at tea, at GuildhalL
July to. John Uiher, then or late of Great Kiagton otherwife
Kynetoo, Warwieldhlre, butcher and makfter, at eleven, at the
Plying Horfe Inn, Banbury.July. 9 William Brown, of Holcott, Northampton woolcomber
and shopkeeper, at eleven, at the Peacock Inn, Northampton.
July .y Wm. Cunninghame, late of Great Prefent ftreet, Good-
man's-fields, Miidlefex, wine merchant and infurance broker,
at twelve, at GuildhalL
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July 7. Joiep% Inman. of Hoindf ditch, Lood r t ch....6lnouger,
at tweas, Gulldhall.

Ye Ihre lailallete,in which hehaa beeaßeat to "Meek Om WA,
It had unfortunately taken place t and he was much hurtled at
What bad happened yefterday, as the foiled was one in which the
public was much interefted. and whatever he might have hind
wouit have been anfwcred, fo that the mildic would have been ac-
quainted with both fides of the quertion. Tilt Hon. Member Lad
certainly exeretfed a right. but not a found difccetion.
The SPEAKER rerdnded Mr. Whitbread this was but a
Notice.
Mr. WHITBREAD concludtd, recommetilim; hto Mr.
Sheridan to let the matter Rand as it dues at prefear.
Mr. CANNING einreffed roe fame opinion, and was fore his
' Right Hon. Friel d ( Mr. Sheridan) did not with to make that
Whidh, from, the high authority cf the Chair, was only a Puffer
Wee, not a matter ol right.
kiaNITY PiIirCEEDINCS.
Sir S. ROMILLY rofe to make the motion of which be had
given notice. The Pill he intended to Introduce certainly would
trench upon one of the privileges of the Members of that Houle;
but he confidered the privileges of Members as valuable anti im
HOUSE OF COMMONS. portaiit, fo lorg only as they owed fervice to the country, and
Mr. Alderman SHAW brought up a till for making certain RV- • when they were othersvire, he thought no Member would with
nations refpediog Smithfield Market. hi the City of London ; to preferve them As the law now flood, relative to the proceedings
and alto a Bill for nrgolating the Vending and Delivery of Coals againß Members in the Courts of Equity, the parties litigating
within the Pert of Loudon; which were feverally agreed to, read with Members were put to doable the tape:toe they were in fuits
a firft, and ordered to be read a fecund time. againft other dcf saints, which, in many inftanccs, was the occa.
He then moved, that the Report of the Committee on the Lon. fion of the party's for one being eshatifted, and a great hindrance
a.O, Port Petition he referred to the confederation of a Committee or junice. He wifhcd only to put Members in the fame Rate as
of the wise& Houk tomorrow. Ordered. every other perfon w: s, againft whom a fuit in the Equity Coutts
was luftituted. He di I not anderßand that any Hon. Member
Mr. QVAItIft. the Deputy tither of the Black Rod, appeared at
hail objcdions to the Bill, and therefor.: moved,
the Bar, and fommoned the Houle to appear in the Hoare of Lords,
and hear the Royal Affent given by CommiMon. " For leave to bring in a Bill to alter the pradice of Corsets of
Equity, refpeding the Delivery of Bilk, in cafes where Members of
The SPEAKER accordingly went; and, on his return, ac.
Parliament are Defendants."—Leave granted
(painted the Houle, that he had heart the Royal Affent given, by
Commiflion, to the irilb Cullorns Continuing UM. HALT TAY S.
Mr MELLISH brought up a Petition againft G. Galway 11.1311, The SECRETorARe certainY at WAR ve
ga nnlations itice, the
dinat heg
Hail Pay
would, on
Efq. to the fame effed as chore prefented yefterday -..lizilesed to I
Thufday next, m Reg refg
lie on the table. •Officers.
Sir W. CURTIS prefented a Petition from the Council and M.
fembly of the Id tad of Domblica. in the Wert Indies, in behalf of
c`oare inhabitants of that Bland who had been fufferets by the late
tire in the town of Rofeau, preying aid.—Ordered to be referred
to a Committee. •
The Parini Appreritiv• Regulation. Bill was read a fecond time,
and ordered to he committed to morrow.
Mr. AASoN Ca/Loam, the Info-dor of Colloid& appeared at
the Bar, and pet{ red a Report of the Convidts on hoard the fc-
ve al hulks in the River Thames —Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. STURGES BOURNE gave clothe of a Motion on to-
morrow for an account of the Places created, and the P:aßotas
granted, within certain years, and the names of the perfons by
whom recommended, and to whom granted
Mr. MARTIN gave notice of a motion on I'hurfday, for ail
Account of all the Sums iffued in the thape of Penfions, or other-
wife, to any p:rfons on account of Governmeut, otherwife than
from the Treafury, fence the year 18
Mr. It OSR moved the fecond reading of the American Inter-
com-re Indemnity Bill. He raid, there was an underitanding with
the Noble 1 ord, who had juft kft the Houle (L.ord H. Petty) that
the debate upon the Bill fhould take place on the motion fur the
Speaker's leaving the Chair to gdinto Committee.
The Bill was read the fecond time, and committed for to
morrow.
The I,rther confideration of the Trader,' Arras Bill, in confe-
quei ce of tome oppofition to the Bill is Its preterit form, from Mr.
HERtik.R.P, was adjourned till tomorrow.

ELECTirIN PETITInNS•
A Pc•it:on frtm VVm. Prael, Efq. complaining of a doul)le re-
tient. ant: againft the return of 1). North. EN. for the Borough 'of
}dant:wry in Oxfordthire. was prefeoted, and ordered to by taken
into ec.r:ll.ltratino on Weditcfdal. Joly
A Petitiatt from Mr. May. ag dull the return of J. Craig. Eft)
few the Borough of Carrick t<r,,us i i Irel:,od, was ordered to be
taken into evnaderatinn i•n •I hurfd..4 :he 2jd July;
pKIVILkGES oF THE HOUst.

WFST INDIA TRADF.
Mr. DENT give.noti-e that he wottid to-morrow move for a
Commit tee, to take into confiJeration the State of the Welt India
Trade.

SIERRA LEnNE CnMPANI•
Mr. H. THORN roN brought up a Petition from the Sierra
Leone Com p.iti y, claiming the pavmtnt of i 4.c001. as a cnrupenfa-
tint' for tht territory they had given up to Governmeut.—Ordcred
to lie on the Ode.
Mr. DENT fail, there never was a ranker job brought into that
Houle.
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Lard H PETTY brought up a Bill for regulating the pigment
of the Public Money in Scotland, and tranfmitting the fast- to the
Bank of Engles& which was read a tuft, and ordered to be read
a iccond time to morrow.

The SP rAlUtt. n.clitainreti tee 1-I,•efe, that he had received a
i.tter foro Mr G. Galway Mills, which he real, and which was
deed Te ople•place. S . Georee's.fieids, &c. purporting that the
Paid G. Galway ',di11... before hi, rt turn for the Borough of Pen-
, its Corew.ll was in cutter ly on an execution on mefue pence Is.
and praying t 3 have the privilege belang.ng to all Members of that
lioute and that the Speaker would take the opinion of the Haute
alerted.
The CI lANCELI.OR of the UX :HEQIIER. moved, that the
entry of site 15 thof December 1795, hr read, which being dine, it
appeared that a Mr. H. Sigel was in limiter circonutancet to 'elr
Mills, and petitioned the t Inuit. and that loch Ktition was Teter-
re i to the Commit re of Privileges It was ordered that it be re-
ferred to the Committee of Privileges, to examine the matter of
Mr. Mills's letter, and report the fame, wi It their opinions and
ob e.veti..ns. to the tioufe; and alto, that the (rectal Petitions
alai: ft Mr. Mills he referred to the bid Committee
Sir ti. ,DMA Y gave notice that he would to morrow make
a mot pan on the luejett of his Memorial, then on the table.
BANK NOM TAANstniTri•D taom IRELAND.
Mr. PARNEI. fail, the motion which he was about to make
was occalioned by'a negligence in the Poft-office of Ireland, which
bad long been a grievo ice and injury to the bankers a-el the tier
cantile interefts of Ireland, Irons the Irequent ntikarriage of letters,
contaiiiing Bank Note, to be tranfothted to this country ; that
they were font in half notes, and that the half notes remaining Li
the hands of the hankers and merchants of Dublin, of which the
other halves had been trantrnitted and loft. amounted to the funs
of 260,0c01. And though the owners of thole halt notes could re-
cover the value, yet the greateft Inconvenience and injury to the
mercantile interefts of Ireland had accrued in confequetice of fueh
ntifcarriages and toffee. He hail no complaint to make againft the
late Pofbataiters General of Ireland, hut he would recommend it
to ?NA w Ito. at prefent, held that office to gOre orders for an at.-
'averment which thould prevent fetch fhameful negligence in id
sure. He entlcluded-by moving for a copy of the menosti d of
han:ecre of Dublin to the Pottmafters General, concernieg the
oldest riages of letters containing Sank Note..."
• Mr. J. C. BfiRF.SFORD laid, the bufincts of the Polt Offiee in
Du*,lin was (harmfully tranfaded, and that batik notes were taken
out by the letter Porters; who complained that their pay was fo
(mall, the places would not be worth having, unit(' they had fume
loch retort as that of now and then opening the letters, and taking
out the contents.
Mr. FOSTER, (the Chancellor of the kith Exchequer,)
that the tubjedt was now under cotifideration,and he doubted not
form arrangement would fpeedily be made, which would restudy
- the ioconveiliences complained of.
EXCLuSION OF ITIANGBILS•
Mr. SHERIDAN role, laid, that the eireutriftance which
had happened yeftettlay,of the gallery being cleared during the de-
b. t. f, was what induced bins to eddreft the Chair at that moment.
There was no rule of that Houle for the Speaker to order Stran-
gers to withdraw. It was Carpeted that no limners were allowed
to he preknt ; bet for many years the Houtihad refrained from
adliog upon that part tit its own laws. flinch a queftion as the
State of the Nation was deemed to he a State Secret, the enforcing
the order yttlct day might be ric Lit in the opinion of thole who did
it. For his own part, he thought the proceedings of that Houk
ought to be public, arid on futh a queftion as the State of the Na-
lien in p:rieular. The Order,hc thought, ought either to be re-
feinded, or actaelly enforced. He therefore gave notice, that it
wi; his intention, on Thuriday, to draw the attention of the Houle
to this tale&
Mr. DENNIS BROWN!!!, (the Nleanber who moved the order
yrftcrday), that what he had done was from a ftridt fade of
duty at that time, tisui,h he was afterwards lorry that he had
done Co.
he SPEAX7R feid, that, as the matter had been then men-
tiered, he tht sit ht it his duty to flute what his opinion was as to
she law of l'ariianieUt cot that fuhjedt. 'He apprehended from
what bad ever been held the law, rule, and ulage of that Houle,
that en inat•gers we, e there Ly fuffesance only; and they had a
Banding Order, by which the herjeant at Arms was, whenever he
few a ftranger,totek: him into cuttody, but this was e,;:ly the mode
by which the order was to be enforced ; and whenever any Mem-
ber gave notice to him that tic perceived a ftranger er ftrangcrs, it
bad been invariably the cuftom for the Speaker to order thtpt to
withdraw. Such emice being given to him. thermic was peremp-
tory : he couhl not refill it, nor could the Houk relict it.
,Ir. WHIVISREAD thought his Right lion. Friend had better
leave the order to (land as at prefent. In the coma: of fereoteen
vars he had hem in Paliaructit, it had not often been catoreed.—

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Hoak, and he was forry-to hear it u erei . •d not
Fee how advertifements in the papers, with mitre& to
(ales of feats in a certain A trembly, had to do with this
anotion. He agreed with the Noble Lord more in
what he Paid with regard to efficient places, and
thought them rather under than overpaid. There
was one dais of penfions which had been mentioned
within a few years pafi, which was that of penfions
granted to petfons in their own departments, and this
abufe had gone In far as in flame cafes to have got be-
yond the controul of the Treafury, and they ought
to be called to account. He objected, however, only
to the form of this motion, and its extent ; if altered
in thefe refpeas, he fhould have on objeCtion to it.
Mr. CURWEN could not agree with what had
fallen from the Right am. Gentleman who fpoke
laft. He thought it was of no great confequence
whether a precedent could be found for the recent
motion or not, when it mull be allowed that the pre-
fent were times of moll unprecedented danger to the
country. It was not by talking of teat ing away the
mafk from thofe on ore fide of the Houle, that the
country was to be fatisfied : they had a right to know
what burdens were impofed upon them by the other
fide. He thought that the account which was fought
for, ought to be given fpeedily, and that it would be
a great and moll unneceffary delay to refer it to the
Committee-of Finance, whole time was already fuffi-
ciently occupied. If it were referred to then', it could
not be expeeled that the acccount would he procured
no many Setlions, or perhaps for many Parliaments.
The Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Bankes) had Rated
that ref late years it had been cußomary in the dif-
ferent offices to grant penfions to themfelves. This
was certainly a cultom which required a ferious in.
veßigation. If it were to appear that the finecures
and penfions enj ,yed by Members of Parliament were
not In great as was foppoied, a great goad would be
done, by vindicating the purity of the Houle of Corn•
mons, but if, on the other, they were enormoufly
great. it was bat fit that the country fhould know
lof it. He thought the Noble Lord was not in-
oorrel,t in alluding to the fate of feats in that Houle.
When it now Rands on the journals rf the Houfe
that feats were fold as openly as bullocks at Smith-
field market, he thought it was not improper in
the Noble Lord to advert to the propofals in the
public prints for " feats in a certain AlTembly,"
or to.draw the inference which he had done, that
thole feats would not be l' definable if there was net
fome profit attached to them. He-did not at all ap-
prove of the principle of giving large penfione to
public officers Who went out of office upon a change
of Admiuißration. He was fate that there were a
number of perfons equally well qualified to difcharge
thofe offices, who would readily undertake them et.
the accuilomed fabric', without requiring any loch
petal ms. When he recollected that a refolution at
a former period had patted that Houle, " That the
power of the Crown had increafed, was increafing,
:old ought to he diminiffied," he law no reafon now
to depot frtou that principle, and he thought the
mortar, us influence of the Crown ought' to be fome-
what diminilhed. He was convinced that the love
and affeEtions cf the people were at all times the ben
fopporters of the Throne, and that they ought much
more to be cultivated than the degree of power which
was obtained by undue irdiaence and rot ;option. He
could not bat condemn ionic parts of an Addrefs to
the people from an Hon Baronet (Sir Francis Bun
dett), although be admired the principles of the tall
Weitmintler Eleetion, and thought it the greaten
Triumph that the Freedom of Reprefentation had
gained lince the Revolution. He could not, however,
but difapprove of his comparing the Red Bock to the
.Livre Rouge of France. He bulled that although we
had many ebufer, they did not go to the extent which
had been Rated ; and he wifhed that the account
timid be granted, in order that the people fhould not
fuppnfe the abufes to be greater than they really are.
In the prefent perilous times, he thought the country
ought to be as firmly united as patlihle for the corn
mon defence ; and he was convinced that neither the
Correfponding Societies, nor any other focieties of
that nature, had ever done fu much to difunite the
people of this country as the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer had done. He would tell him, that he mull
not merely rely upon his majorities in that Houfe.
The confidence and affeCtions of the people mull be
maintained, before any Government had a right to
confider itfelf Rrong.
Mr. WHITBREAD laid, that he fhould trouble
the Houk but with a few obfervations. He hoped
that the objet of the motion would be obtained, al
though there might be fome difference of opinion as
to the bell mode of obtaining it. The Honourable
Gentleman (Mr. Banker) had Rated, that the mo-
tion might produce jealoufy and fufpicion in the pub-
lic mind againft the charaller of that Heroic. It ap-
' peered to him, however, that fuch jealeufy and ful-
-1 picion could only arife from tejefting the motion,
, and not from agreeing to it. It feemed to be allowed
that, in the opinion of many perfons, the Honk of
Commons was a moll corrupt body—it would be,
therefore, of great advantage to prove to the nation,
if it could be proved, that there was not fo much
corruption in it as many people were inclined toima-
gine. As to the fate of feats in that Heroic, he on-
derflood the ruble& to have been mentioned by the
Noble Lord, as grounding as inference that In much
money was not (pent by Candidates, tittle's for pur-
poles of private emolument. He was convinced that
large fums of money were (pent withont any fuch
view—but if the general Inference c.orld be proved
erroneous, the error fhould be done away as fpeedily
as poffible ; if it was not erroneous, the public fhould
know how the matter lay. The holders of finecures
and penfions molt either confider that thofe things dif-
grace them, or that they did ant. It they would fay
that they did not feel afhamed of them, he could nor fee
why they Ibould have any objeftion to Rating them ;
and if they, were Aimed of them, it was evident
that was a fubjera worthy of attentive inveftigation.
The Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Bankes) laid, that
any individual Member might find the places which
were held under the Crown in one lilt, and the Pen-
lions in another—but the objet of the Noble Lord
iwawtp;hsiaio:at
niewusiatdhlitd,,o;mnhuratbeeibp.ndetodlafiiitreinptnhaceli better anfwered, by having fuch an account
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Approving then, of the principle of the Noble Lord's

ARMY EITRAORDINARIFS.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXICMEqI_tER gave notice,
that he would on Friday next, in the Committee of Supply, move
the Army Extraordinaties ; andel, Saturday he would fubtnit to
the Houfe an arrangement of the EleCtion Petitions. He thought
it would not be advifeobk to proceed with any of them during
the prafent Stifion, except fuch ofthok of double returns as would
be very Isom
PLACES AND PENSIONS or MIMBERF.
Lord COCHRANE run to make the Nlreon of
which he bad given notice. He began by faying,
that a: a time when the country was In heavily bur-
envied, he thought it his duty, as well as the duty of
every Member of that Houfe, to ufe every means in
his power to prevent the improvident expenditure of
the public rwiney, efpecially after the prrcluft,on of
the late excellent fyltcm of finance, which he looked
upon as little fhort of a proclamation, that the coon.
try was bordering on a (late of bankruptcy. He
thought there muff be Come extraordinary induce.
ment to make Memb:rs covet a feat in Parliament,
when he law, in almoft every day's public prints,
advertifements offering very liberal prices fi r (eats
in a certain Afrfixiblv ; and he was defirous that fuch
perfons, as held finecure places of profit and pen.
;ions from Government, (horrid be known to the
public. In refpeCt to the motion that he was about
to (Omit to the Houle, lie had not taken the opinion
of any one, either on one fide or the other. It was
what he deemed neceffiry and proper, and he had
brought it for ward as an aft of dirty to his contlitu-
en,s, and the public at large. It was n't his with.
or his trtiklt, to deprive Minifters of the power of
rewarding taithfal or eminent fervlces, or to abridge
them in that, f rewarding real merit; bat he thought
none ought to e•j iv incomes front any • ffices, ex•
cept fuch as they aClually filled. Neither did he with
to curtail or diminith the fala•ies of emoluments of
real efficient offices : on the c• r.trary, he believed that
(mire of them were rated tom low. He thought,
however, that, by a proper inquiry, great laving%
of the public money might be made ; and in the
pefent hate of the country, every effort fhould be
madeto effeft fo definable a purpofe. He had nn
other objet in view than the public good, and hoped
his motives would not be milrepre-ented, though he
had heard a Member accured of a with to overturn
the Government of this country, becaufe he had ex-
preffed feelings fimilar to thofe which he thould al-
ways profefs Having thus fairly tinted his fenti-
ments, and the ohjeet he had in view, he would not
longer detain the Houfe. He therefore moved
" That a Committee he appointed to inquire into, and report
to thisHoufe, an account of all the Cffizes, Pofts, Places, Sine
cures, Penfiont. Si•uations, Fees, Perpiifitcs, and Emoluments
of every defcription, paid out of, or arifing from, the public re-
venues, or the fees in any Courts of Law, liquity, Admiralty,
Ecelefiaftical or other Court, held, or enjoyed by, or in trult for,
any Member of this Houk, his wife, or any of his defeendants,
or to be held or enjoyed by, or in trult for, hint or either of
them, in rem-flan of any prefent intereft ; with an account of the
annual amount of each fuch Office, Poit, Place, Sinecure, Pen-
ilon, Situation, Fees, Perquifites, and Emoluments ; diftinguith-
Mg whether the fame arils from a certain &hey, or from an ave-
rage amount. That this inquiry do extend to the whole of his
Majefty's dominions, and that the Committee bt empowered to
fend for perfona, papers, and records."
Mr.DANKES Paid, that the information defired by
the Noble Lord was certainly to a certain extent de-
firable ; but it was not ufual,nor did itaccord wiihthe
rules and praaiee of that Houfe to appoint a Com.
mince of filch a nature as that now moved for. The
extent of the information was fuch as no Committee
could attain, nor did it appear to him there was any
neceffity for it. The Penton lift might be had by
' any Member who chofe to move for it, and Ire
thought that confining this inquiry to any one def.
cription of perfans, would be invidious, and he could
not but be furprifed that it fhould be thought necef-
fairy now, which it had never been at any other time, to
appoint a Committee with loch inquilitorial powers.
—He thought it would create jealoulies and luf-
picions, and that it would be taking the bufinefs out
of the hands of another Committee—( Finance )
thnugh to that he had no objeetion, if the Noble
Lord, or any other Meniber, would esideavntor to
lighten their burden. He found fault sith the ek•
preffion that the new fyftena of finance was a procla-
mation of a national bankruptcy. There was no.cir
crimtiance which afforded ground for toch an alarm,
and fuolt language thould not be encouraged in that

notion, but not agrieing in the way that it mat
Worded, he thoold fugget it as the belt way of
obtaining the obje&, to move it as an inflinEtion to
the Finance Committee, to make a report upon tlis

fubjeft.
The CHARCELLQR of the EXCHZTJER
toes alifpofed-eas folio*, in at vest degreerthe fug.
geftion of the Honourable Gentleman who fp. ke fall.'Whatever appearance of oppofition there might he
to the motion in its original fhape, it was to the mode
and not to' the As& There was no wifh to keep
back from the Houk the information that was de.
manded. It was a fpecies of information which was
never n Nitta i to Members of Parliament—but he
did conceive, that narrowing the motion merely to
thofe penfiorrs and places held by Members of Par ha..
ment, would not anfwer the obitel which the Noble
Lord bad in view. He withed that it fhould be ex.
tended to all penfions, places, (incomes, and tenolu-
menu of office held ur.der the Crown : it would be
ear), to add a defer iption of the rorfon to the name,
and then it would be immediate), fern which of thent
were held by Members of Parliament. He foppolect:
however, that the Noble Lord would not with to
have a return of thole lons of Members, who had
commit ions in the army or navy, as, in filch cafes, b
it fhould he moved that an army or navy hit fhould
he laid before the Commioee—as to petitions granted
by the Crown, up to a particular extent, the law had
allowed the Crown to giant thofe pcsrfi Its in its dif-
eretion, and he thought that the propriety of the ea•
ercife of that difcretion could not afterwards fairly
he made a matter of canvafs in that Houk 'Whe-
ther too great a portion of thole finecures were held,
or whether any of them ought to be held by Mem-
bers of that Houle, was certainly a fair fubjed of r
difcuflion. He agreed completely with an Honour-
able Gentleman (Mr. Curwen), that the confidence J
of the nation was the bell fupport of any Govern-
ment, and that in feet, no Miniflers -could raped any
ufeful fuppott, either from that Houle, or from the
country, upon any other principle than that of thift
attenti in to their duties. At the fame time he did
not think that any Member of that Hook could de.
rite any advantage to their charafters, by ended. 14
routing to pe-fultde the people, that their burdens A
could be fenfibly dimirothed by any retrenchment
which it would be pollible to make in this way. The
encouraging an opinion of this fort could not, he '
thought, be Gtviceable, either to the public, or to ' •
the chafaelers of the individuals who propagated it.
He thought it was but candid and fair to give every
ufeful information upon the fobjeft, and he &odd, '
therefore, not objet to the motion in any other man-
ner, than as thinking it was not fufliciently eetenfive,
if its object was public economy and retrenchment.
Lord OSSULSTONE all-) agreed in the principle
of the motion, but thought it was too reilrieled in
the wording of it, to obtain the full oiled that might
be expected from it.
Mr. T. SMITH was afraid, that the moion might
appear to convey Come hilpicion of the independence
of that Houfe. He mutt, however, at the fame time
fay, that from the frequent cot refpondence "each he
had with his confiituents (at Nottingham) he was
convinced that Oleic was a very general opinion
among the middling claffes, that the Houle was not
fo pure as it ought t.) be ; and to fatisfy that general
feeling. he thought it was neceffary that every pa.
fible information thould be given upon the fubjea.
—He did not with at the prefent moment for the
flighted diminution of the power of the Crown, and 1.
he mutt del.recate ever y mode of difuniting the people
of this country, whether by religious cry or other wife.
Mr. LEI'HBRIDGE was rejoiced at the prefent
motion having been brought forward, as he thought
it would tend to vindicate the character of the Houle
of Commons from the afperfions which had gone
abroad. In the large and populous county which he
reprefeitted (Somerfetfhire) he knew the people were
generally Open-Mouth'd againft Penfi,,ns, Sinecure%
and Placemen. For his pert, he did nut conceive
much danger from them, and did not know that
they were now carried too far. He thought it would
be much better that the hulloes (hould be fully et-
plained, as the country would then fee that the evil
was not fo great as they had been led to fuppofe.
Mr. LYTTLETON was convinced that there wit
no fubjeft upon which the people felt more than the
.foppofed misapplication of public money. He thought
the Noble Lord had purpofely narrowed his motion
to the fubjeCt he had in view.
Sir JOHN SEBR IGHT profeffed his great relperft
for the prefent MinNers, and that he did not with to
give them any oppolition.
Mr. W. SMITH fupported the motion. He eer•
tainly could not pretend to fay that out of fuch 22
immenfe fun) as oas levied yearly from this country,
fifty millions fterling, the people would feel much re-
tiered, even if it were rilible to make retrenchments
in this way to the amrunt of half a million annually;
nor could he fuppofe that any retrenchment could be
made in thofe finecures and penfions, which would
amount to any thing near that rum. It was not how-
ever, merely important with a view of that partial.
lar faring, but a ftriet economy was neceffary in this
refoeft, as a fecurity for the general application of
the public money. He then quoted the words of
Judge Blackftone, to (hew, " that any grant which
was made by the Crown to any individual might be
•refumed, if it fhould appear to the Legiflarure tilt
it was contrary to the public benefit, and that the
Crown was conferviently deceived." Upon this privo /
ciple he fhould contend, that many of thole re"
fions, finecures, and reverfions might now be s I i -
guifhed. He objected alfo to the monopoly ,I al
offices of profit or truck being in the hands of they...
ftocracy, and the wealthy part of the asiftocracy.
Mr. WILBERFORCE was for the produetion of
the account which was moved for, but had not made
his mind up to the belt mode. He thought the bet•
ter way would be to adjourn the d.fenffion for aft,
days.
Mr. SHERIDAN thought that the queffino ley
within a very narrow compels. The Noble Lori
(Cochrane) had-made but few obfervations in pre•
lacing his motion, and in this he thought that he
had ailed wifely. His objeft appeared to be ad
entirely on the ground of economy, but to reffisin
the improper influence of Government over the
Houk of Commons. He agreed with all thofe Gee•
tlemen who had Rated the importance of fupporting
the honour and dignity of the Houfe of Commons,
hut that honour and dignity were not to be fuppoo
ted by wearing a mafk, and he the ught that it wet
now right that the country fhould know on which