Star.
London, England, 1824-03-02 00:00:00

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

TTING-ROOM, TATTERSALL'S, MARCH 1.
have not :witnessed a greater assemblage of sporting charac-
Wts -et the highest respectability for same time than attended the
lissbecripnen ltonm co-day. The betting on all the differot Stakes
mak brisk, and many changes in. the odds on various horses took
place, as appears by the following statenient
annatiswoitsn.
6 to 2 agst Reformer I 12 to •1 apt Sister to Sailor
7 to 2 apt Prudence I 15 to 1 agst Lyniessa
01. tog agst Quadrille (taken) I2oto 1 apt Cressida
13 to 2 apt Don Carlos I High odds apt any other
uscasv.
to 1 ;gst Swiss • 25 to 1 agst Bess •
' Bto 1 apt Reformer 25 to 1 agst Skins
10 to 1 agst Agnes ?0 to 1 art Cressida,
12 to 1 apt Banshee - .12 to 1. apt Corinne
15 to 1 apt Ridicule • 35 to 1 apt Pantitia •
18 to 1 apt Hurley Burley '35 to-1 apt Sir Gray
!MD to.l apt Jesse 35 to 1 apt Dadtyle
25 to 1 apt Don Carlos High odds agst any other..

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4 to 1 apt Prudence
7 to 1 spit Sister to Sailor
S iti 1 agst Lyrnessa
la to 1 apt liarossa i -
.: nowearrsa sT, VMS I*.
IS to 1 agst Swiss (taken) I 25 to 1 agst Young Tinier
12 to 1 agst Altisidura filly 1 25 to 1 agst &laity
1
' ieto 1 agst Rosanne. - 45 to 1 agst Miller of 11Isttstield
f5O toT ago Ringlet (taken) . Y! to 1 age. Streatham •
all i 0 1 'gat Miss Oraolield , •
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ig to 1 agni Pope :Ivan ,
17 to 1 apt dir. Peers Ell),
(freely taken)

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Mr. KENNEDY brought in a Bill to alter the mode in Which.
Juries ate chosen to serve in the administration of the Criminal
Law in Scotland, which was read a first time.
Lord JpiiN RUSSELL preserited a Petition (rain several li-
censed Victuallers, the creditors of a person named William B:tees/-
ham, a brewer, residing in the county of Devon. The Petition, he
said, set forth, that in 1814 the said William Sneedlthin had a free
hold estate worth 20,000/. when a suit commenced,'WitichAvas not
terminated before 1819. When the creditors applied for the settle-
ment of their Claims, they wire-informed ty the &netters that the
delay arose in consequence of the delays in Ctiancery."- The wife
and children of Mr. Sneedlianf were stated td lie in great distress.
Mr. BANKS presented a Petition fearri theTrnstres cif' the kri-
rich Museum, praying that- the ammul.grant riAght be allowed.—
Ordered to lie on the

The-same IlJnourahle Member also prcientcl the Annual Ac-
counts of the F.xpeuditure and Income of the Iltitish Museum..

BREACiI OF P-ItIVILEOR.-
Mr. ABEItCROMBY rose.—He 'slid. that he should
"be wanting in a sense of duty which' be owed to, thins-
"self as.an individual7-he should
. be wanting in. his duty
to the House. and to the country—and that he should
tail in the &trite owed to the piofessinn_ to wkichle
belonged, if he were not to compla;n-Of
.a most gross
And, unwarrantable attack,. which affected the freedayn
of debate in that house, corning troin a seat, nt Jug-
tice, and fintis tile 'Lord High Chancellcir of England.
When he slionld have ihewn the ficti.:e the facts acid
the evidence which he plopoSed tit...lsl4e: that the
-words N. hich bad been attributed to Lor,d'El'dnif were
really. spoken' by him, then the House Wontlt 104 i :1N
better condition to tolloN liim'Ckir..AheitrqzikA:ta:)fe
which he s
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would now proceed to a detail of the facts. OnSatur-
day morning last he happened to be in the Court of
Exchequer, when a Gentleman, of whose personal cheat
racier writ honour he had the highest opinion, and about
whose accuracy of statement he could n t doubt, Catialt
up and addressed him, saying—" Mr. Abercromby, I
have just heard a reply of the Lord _Chancellor's to
what you said on Mr. Williams's Motion." He (Mr.
Abereromby) inquired what that was? and was informed
that his Lordship 11.4 d imputed to hint that. he had sent
forth an utter falsehood to the Public. He (Mr. Aber-
cromby) then asked if the. Lord Chancellor might not
intend someone else? and was told " No r because his
Lordship had used the expression " some one with
gowns on their backs," coupled with the imputation.—
He (Mr. Abercromby) then repaired forthwith to Lin-
coln's Inn Hall, for the purpose of obtaining full infor-
mation on the subject. The first Counsel whom he met
in the Hall !readdressed, but could not obtain much in-
formation from him. He then accidentally met a short-
hand ,writer, who voluntarily addressed him, saying
"Mr. Abercrnmby, have you seen what the Lord Chan-
cellor has said this morning?" To which be answered
in the negative. He then requested to be favoured with
a copy rat the notes taken by the short-hand writer, and
was refused. . However, he heard him read the report,
and the passages " utter falsehood" and " the Gentlemen
with gowns on their backs," were. in it,. and appeared to
be interlined. .He (Mr. Abercromby).then begged tha
the report might be read to another short-hand writer,
who was present ; and the second short-hand writer de.
dared that the report was correct, withtbeexception of
one wcrJ, which was, that instead of ".utterfalsehood,"
it sho iIJ hive been, in his opinion, " another falsehood."
-.41-lear, /tear). But this inquiry did not rest here; for
he .(Mr. Abercromby) subsequently saw a Gentleman
of integrity and honour. When aliat Gentleman was
made acquainted with what, he (Mr. Abercromby) had,
learnt in the Court of Chancery, .he:replied that he
would not positively say whether the.words"utter•falie-
hood".or H another falsehood" were used. Jilut,if it were
ihe phrase "".another falsehood" was .the more ob.
jaCtionable:in .kii•(Mr..4bercromlay's) opinion of the.
two, because it implied that another talsebood-had been
ntteted some time before. After an absence of about
two hours, he again saw the Gentleman, in the Court of
Exchequer, to whom Irehad been indebted for the :first
infot illation on the subject, and he said to him, " Are
Ton sore that the words e'
utter falsehood' were used
the Lord Chancellor.?" " 01 that I entertain .no doubt, •
Was the reply. lilt in the course of the argumeht„
t' did his Lordship :intend .me as Abe GentleinAn who
had a gown on his back ?" infininedise iMr. Aber-.
cyomby). I Ie was told that it csOOlii"OCit apply to any
person but himself, inasmuch as Aieitniy two Gentle-
men who wore gowns were the Honoprable andtearned
Member for Winchelsea 4Mr. Brougham) and the Ho-
nourable and Learned Member who had ibrotkght for-
ward the motion (4r. Wittiams), neither.of whom:had
made any observations to which Ale Lord Chancellor's
remarks could apply. Ile t.Nfr. Abercrnmby) was not
aware that the Lord Chancellor was entitled ,M any.
consideration from Nina ; anclatter hp had satisfied hiin•
self 'of the accuracy of the representation, he instantly
concluded that he could not suffer the case to remain
in silence—(Hear, /tear). lie requested a-friend, upon
whose honour, integrity, and judgment he could rely,
to wait on Lord Eldon, and tell him that he (Mr. Aber-
eromby) was sensible of the injustice 'a Melt was done
and that he could not permit it to pass without
observation; and if that friend did nut hear from him
in the course of to-morrow (Sunday), he was .to go to
his Lordship and state that it was his (Mr. Aber.
tromby's) determination to complaiir of his Lordship's
statement to that House—( Hear). He hard 110 doubt—
as be did not alter his mind, and did *pot again.com-
rnunicate with his friend*that the Loi-d- Chancellor
was made Rev:tinted with his determination. He (Mr.
Abercromby) had now stated the means which be had
ofestAini hing the truth of the words imputed to the
Lord Chanceilor. They were very important, espe-
tially to him, and he was satisfied that they would con-
yey to other. the same meaning they did to him. He
ilioUld now simply appeal to the House, if what was
stated in the Newspapor report he held in his hand—
and which appeared to him a correct copy of -that
trltleisle had observed in the shorthand-writer's notes
.....sriss)votan attack upon him as a Member of the
use The Honourable Gentleman then read the
following words, reported to have been uttered by the
Lord Chancellor on Saturday last:
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" AO it by been reproves:Wl that the person who sits here dopy
Osage, jsy heariogeertain motions without the signature of Coon:-
eel. that is to say, when motions have been made to discharge
a5:41)1.4r of the Vice-Chancellor, or the Master of the tilts, that
ach motions have brooght fin Witarnit the signitorp of Com-
pel, 1 have only to state, that having lieen in this Court liner the
/ear 1778, whenever a motion has heal made before the Master
,tor l ips, which has refused to allow, or which be did allow,
slid upon an application to the Chancellor to racy IN* the a)4ttr
tlf the Rolls had done, or to destroy it alter:bee; and so again,
whentyer a ;notion bas been made before the Vice7eharicetvr and
twat! kiav been of opinion that the motion had bien impreiwriv
eritedur discharged, the party has always, in all those eloses,§ten
gellherty to asoye again, with a view to set the matter right*: and
if the signature of Counsel be' necessary, to altei the praetife of
tlre court; as it has obtained since the period 1 have nlentioped--
.gll I say is, thst I have not a right to tax the King's 'Soh-
;tete in that way. with respect to appeals and rehearings, it is
,eppesed that I have beard them on pew evidence, and thereby
.brouglit. discredit on some part of the Court--.-sr. ss Aa. ofrita
I.4exsteeei On rehearings, it is always couspeteut to read the evi-
dence slyer in the cause, though it was opt read'in the Court be-
low, ekber h the Counsel or the Judge--4uriliti than th;t, the
Court does not go. On appeals, it only reads 10ra:this heel' read Os
She Courts, below, and that practice ! have never arced 'froM in
ane one instance. Therefore, really, before things are so represented.
particularly. by Gentlemen with gowns on their back*, they shotild
*least taltc care to be accurate, for itistletir business tobe so."
—There was nothing said the Honourable Gentleman,
in the course of business, which called for this observa-
tion from the Lord Chancellor; it must have been pre-
meditated by him. The Homiurable Member then said
that Mr. Shsdwell remarked," Upon motions it would
be impossible foi Counsel to certil.y." He (Mr. Aber-
arornby) then continued, that the Lord Chancellor said,
Saeli motions as I have referred to have been made for
lair a century, and never with the signature of Court-.
*el; and yet the Public are told that the signature of
Counsel is necessary by Act of Parliament, and that I
hiie dispensed with it." It might be said, remarked the
flonourable Gentleman, that there Was_ no mention
;Ode in the extracts which he had just read of either the
• Rotise or of any individual. But he was persuaded,
and if theLorcfCbaaiellor was here he could not deny I
it' that the House was the place which his .Lordship
Intended, and the individ,ual the Member whai was
addressing chem.-Wear, Liar). If his Lordship were
them be woiljd tell him so—(h_ (ear,. hear, hear.)—
Who *was the trersan,kinted out by the tarrd Chancel.
fot? The lionible Individual before the House. From
what place had the attack proceeded? From the seat
of justice in Lincoln's Inn Hall. Was it to be tolerated,

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vas it to be endured that o. Nein* of that Hos
should be attacked from tbe seat ofjoltier,lor opium°,
which he had fearlessly tittered in-44am? He. ha,
been,aecused of stating an" utter.falsehood." Would
any one rise and say that he was not intended ? He
trusted that no one would make. such an assertion. lio
hoped, from what he had explained, that the Hottsewasi
satisfied be was the individual alluded to by'Lord El-:
don. If it were really true, or if, -not being true, 14
supposed he was pointed out by the Lord Chancellor',
yet could he (Mr. Abercromby) tamely and basely sub'
itrait without insisting upon an inquiry ? The -House
-could not too soon shut its doors against him; his gonna,
could not be too soon stripped off his back, and he could,
not be too soon degraded from the rank of a Gentle,
man. But if it should be true that lie-was really charged
with opinions and statements for the purpose of sending
him forth o the Public as a degraded character, where,
he would sk, would Members who should here.ifter
he
sum t rel
opinions in that House find protettion?—;
He begged to say, that. in what he had stated formerly,
which gave rise to the Lord Chancellor's remarks, he
should not relinquish or alter one word, if it would give
to himself a complete triumph, and to the Lord 'Chan-
cellor the satisfaction of consigning him to infamy—
( Hear, hear).— He(Mr.Abercromby) could-not-state pre-
cisely the words which he had used in the course of that
debate, but he recollected the substance of them. •He
had stated, in the, first place, that the most important
-object to which the Commission of linthiry.slioarld cli.,
rect its attention would lie the effects which the estab-
lishment of the Vice-Chancellor's Court had upon the
Court of Chancery. This proposition gave the key to
his future arguments. He had stated daft the appealt
froth. the Viee-Chancery to the Chancellor's Coon ha*
wanted . are aignasure of Counsel-from 1813 to 'lBl9 4
and-he had argued this circumstance as the cause of
the increase of those appeals. He :had then alluded. to
an objection
_which had been taken at the time of treat-
..ieg theVie.e-Chancery Court, that .by flie.inttitaition Of
:that .Court, parties would often he .subjected toisio
hearings in the,same cause, and, what was worse, bat,
Aber sV.44",e.tiot always decided on the same evidence, for
the Lord:Chancellor allowed the, cause to be. heard on
.an amended case with fresh evidence, which wasagreat
;hardship, as it often led to a reversal of the decision in
the, Viee-Chancery Court; thus very isnpropetly im-
peaching thecharac ter and nuthority,oftbeinferiorJudgel
Much of this grievance he (Mr.:Aberctomby.) had at-,
aributed to the want -of Counsel's signature to •the -ap-
peals, fordisappninted suitors had,often *rushed precipi:
caret', „in the, heat,of the moment, from one Court to
another, without the advice -of their Counsel. This, he
declared, was the substance of what he had spoken .in'
the House. What bad the Lord Chancellor said? He!
had said that it had been the invariable practice of the'
Court since IV'llB, whenever .a motion had been made:
before the Vice-Cliancellbr, and Counsel had been of opi7
nion that the motion had been improperly 1,-ranted or'
discharged, the party had plwaii, in all thosicases been'
at liberty tomoee again stith ;terve/ to set the matter tight.!
" So said the Lord Chancellor "so "s aid I," said Mr.
Abercrbmby, "and it wet-for this very'reason that-i made
theakjectionr,-an objection which is now substantiated
by the Lord -Chancellor himself." But his Lordship,
in order to bring discredit on .his (Mr. Abercrombea)
feeble argument, had alluded to the practice which pre;
vaned before the establishment of the Vice-Chancery
Court. The Lord Chancellor had said, that " when-
aver a motion had been made before the Master of the'
Rolls which Ire had refused, to allow, or which he did
allow, and upon an application to the Chancellor to
,eary whaCtlie Mai,ter of the Rolls had done,'ur to de--
s troy it altogether;' dais wias the same case As a motion'
.brought before him . troth the Vice-Chancellor. .lie
(Mr. Abercromb;rwirufdappeal to his Honourableand
Learned Friend, the Solicitor-General, it, before the es-
tablishment of the . ice,Chaecer y Court, it was the duty.
of the Master to hear special motions? He had no
doubt of an answer in the negative ; and he would look
for `a similar one to the question, if it were not -true'
that the Vice-Chaincellor beard a large prof ortion of the
special motions which were argued in the Court. of
Chancery ? Then what consistency was there in liken-
ing the Mater to the Vice-Chancellor ; and he would
ask if this were not of itself a fit subject for imp ir y? ;
As to the hearings of frebli evidence ion nwtions,he I
would again appeal to his Honourable and Learned I
Friend if-motions which came before the Vice-Chan-
cellor on otsc r.ate ef facts were not argoed no a, ne al
state of facts before the Lord Chancellor ?—r.Thrtos,tt
CITOR-GINIRAL. was understood to signify his assent
across the tabtel—That this re-hearing was deregateiy
to the inferior Judge, no one could dispute, ao4' thttt lc
created Inutecessary delay and expense waneritlajle ill-.
disputable. How, then, stood the facts?. The-Lord
Chancellor hid ;Omitted that he (Mr..itherevOurby)
was correct in saying that the motions .iy'er'e heard svith;-
out the signature of Counsel. His Lordship.. bad. soidr
that li the Public were told that the signature ofConnsel
was necessary by /set of Parliament." This assertion
was false, lqr he (4'(r.iitberctontio) had never made
such a statement. And as to the appeals. ea (trill evi-
dence, what he had said wasarrite the reverse , from
what his Lordship had imputed to him—(Fleer, hear).
~The Lord Chancellor then had put into his (Mr.
Abercrcunby's) mouth, not only what he did not say,
but the very reverse from what he had said-,(licar).
These were the facts; but were there no aggravations?
Where did Lord Eldon uner the.,e rout calumnies? In
the seat of jndgment I Was he (Nlr.Aborcrornby) pre-
sent ? Was any notice screed on him? dad' were they
not uttered before persons,• ter be lost in whose opinion
would, if. he had oat a farthing to depend on bit hi
prolessipn, have ruined him for ever ?--,(lfearoicer). it,
was uttered before the people of England, in the pre-
sence of those persons whose duty it was to repent the:;
Iproceedings of the Court to the Public. Bat even had:
he been present, he must have held his tongue. Laid
Eldon, in his exalted seat, would have checked mil,
explanation, for he had the power Of doing so. What
a spectacle was this to exhibit ! A humble individual,
whose character had been so flagrantly iakpeecbeg,
obliged to writhe under the lash without being. eretoit-
ted to offer a few -words in excuVatiort. The Lard
Chancellor had impeted to him want Of caution. Ho
could this be made out? He (Mr;Abeicrointri) had
risen in that:House, in the presence of his ecivals and
thoseabove him, where, had he uttered anything rash
or imprudent,he would immediaetelf have been pnt to
shame—(Near). lime had heard a great deal Of tbe..de-i
lays of the Court of Chancery. •It-laad been. wild .that
Lord Eldon Was amiable, *as. sensitive—Weer, heari
sensitive- Hear,
—and • that he deeply regretter tlii t0009,011M t 4
which these. delays ltd. But what' ciirelil bii Obught of
the conduct of :hie Lordship, , who Ind Peßaotkeeedi
from his' seat of justice, an, anathema open a head*
individual, who, in the discharge of his public duties,
had said something which might be disagreeable to him?

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Then-there-was no root*. for tenths% or hesitation i-Zise
' . Lord - Eldon decitleer imtliatatlkly: Bur be (Ms,
AltirteOroby) would ask,-from who in' did his-Liwilship
rte his information ? •Was it from his Honourable
end:'Learned Friends the. Attorney or Solicitor-430c-
1el ; or from his, HonnuraWe, Filene's the Member for
seter, or' the Member, for Winchelsee? Would it be
said that any of these Honourable Gentlemen had fur-
nished him with the information ? But whether .they'
had or had not, what right had the Lord Chancellor of
England, in his seat of justice, to comment on the de►
batesf that House?—(Hear, hear.) 'Whence did he
obtain that precedent? Was it true that an individual
Meaiber of that House was to be snblectto the risk of
having his sentiments made the instrument of his-de.:
gradatign by a Lord Chancellor the morning after he
had delivered them ? Was it to be endured that suth;
Members were-to he at the caprice of any Judge? And
if-such Member should happen to belong to the professl
sion of the laws was he liable to be denounced unheardl.l
and thus not only might he be deprived of his honer
exertions, and have Iris career of- professional respectbility checked, bat be might be branded with an ei•ith
which no Gentleman Could bear—(Hear, hear). This
was certainly tyrannical and despotic; for what .cohld
be esteemed greater tyranny and despotism than leaving.
the Members of that House to submit themselves to the
centrnul.nla Judge, and thus destroy all freedom of
debate? If Lord.Bldin can.estinguish any man in thii.
summa4 . Manner, where were the privileges of ' the
'House---where Was the .security of the Members ? It
was fit therefore that-this subject should begraveh in-
vestigated ; and if the facts were proved, it 'was incum,
bent on the ;House to take decisive stepi in order to se-
cure the usefulttesa; the independence, and the spirit of
the English Jar. -For if it were passed over in.selence;
all these qutirtties would he lost ; and if they had not,
like him, t'..e pistier of stating their complaints before
the gnus*, the 'Lear would be prostrate, at the 'feet of
Lord 'Eldon, As the case stood, he considered that he
'shottld have disgraceehrim.elf and the Bar had he not
brought it forward. The 'Honouttbk Gentleman con-.
-eluded . with 'miring that 'Mr. learqnharsim, the.short-
fiend _writer,
,attend the House to-morrow, -in order ,ui
fern's') a report Of the 'sentiments delivered in-Court by
the Lord Chancellor-on Saturday.
Mr. Seeritary-CAWNING;-.-illere is. no man- who:
heard the Hommiable and tear ned 'Gent leinari% speech,.
no member of the profession to which he belongs, no
one of the friends by whom he is surrounded, wh ,
makes more allowance than '1 do for the feelings which
he has evinced, or renders a more sincere tribute of
,praise for the moderation and propriety with which he
has•exptessed cheat. He has displayed an anxiety that
is creditable to him, to irceltims& from an imputation.
which, as 'far as my testimony goes, be is not subject
.to.; for, .without
;being ennugh of a professional man
tobe,awaiethosortglity of the kmportairce of the dis-
tinction between what lie stated the other night, and
:what he ehesebere ss as understood to have stated, 1 can
most unequivocally state, that in his argument.-shat
:night, the impies.iion on my mind was, that he did pot
so put of his way to throw imputations on the Lord
Chancellnr, or. to tiankewhat has happened in the Court
of Chancery, matter of individual blame, not the limit
of a faulty systein—( fiear,-hear, hear). That was the
impression an my mind ; and if my testimony had been
required., l should hare been as ready to state elsewhere,
as I have been to state here, that there was nothing tit-
tered by the Honourable and Learned .Member on that
(occasion 'which went beyond the fair line of discussion,
pc -which could .3isstifiably furnish a ground apersonal
maim*, • itlJasittii% this, Sir, I can feel also .that the
'Honourable and De:oiled Gentleman, strong in the re-
(collection of his
,purpose at the time, and of his mode
rireaccittrng that purpose, could not have,avoideetfeeh.,
lieg surprise and indignation •at finding Isis seta,
!stomped with terms of so gross. a. character as those.
;which have' been applied to it. But, Sir, in his trate-.
:went to the Ilouse, the :Honourable and Learned gen,
cleinan has dropped One link of the transaction; he has
dropped the consideration whether what be said justi-
fiably was repo: ted correctly to the Lord Chancellor,
as if there could be nothing in the channel in which
what was said here was conveyed to the Noble Lord,
which mi.& have perverted its meaning—(Heer).— , ,
Here itiptin, its en unlearned person, I must remark, that '
I em trot capable of discriminating the difference be-'
tween what has been reported, and what the Honour-
alile and Learned Gentleman actually said; but those
Fen whose knowiede of the subject I folly rely, assure
me, that while in die speech actually made by' the Ho-
nOttrisfile and Lamed. Oileileaula, theta Ums.ncithiug of
which the Lead Cheattelltki could justly complain ; yet,
in;filit milk COnee/ed to the . Noble Lord, there Areas
thakcerinur given to the liononrahle and Learned Gen-
fleirian's obbervations, which, though not materially
diffesent to an unprofessional eye, was false and incdr-
nit. end calculated to excite in the breast of the Judge
to whom they referred, the same feeling of indignation
for which he had made a not less generous allowance,
When manifested by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman.
Viliat then, Sir,-is the conclusion to whiCh the Honour-,
able and Learned Gentleman comes at last? That
whatever is said here, and misrepresented elsewhere,
4ffectintany person high or low, the person against
*hors it is directed must put tip with it quiet and note-
istingly.? 'Sr, it there be any fault in what has-hap-
pened, the fault is in our own practice, or rather in our
Own connivance ';a fault I der not indicate with any wish
tosee corrected ; a fault Which has produced incalcula-
ble benefits tothe country, but.which, amidst all its ad-:
vantages; Ireitthls inconvenience, that when the charac-
ters of individttels are under discussion here, the small-
eat variationethe most unintentional misrepresentation of
what is here uttered may barrow up the feelings of the,
justest man in the country, by the imputatioh of prin-'
CiPleS.Ot tikOies Which he has abhorred—(Hear).—
no Hodeorahle.and Learned Gentleman has said, that
a Judge &mild take no cognizance of what 'is said of
him here. • Whet ! is it of no consequence that in Courts
in which a Judge administers justice, he should be
known to Sit with. lean hands? or is it unnatural thit
he should be anxious to refute before-those who are the
best judges of their truth or falsehood, the imputations
which he May suppose have been levelled at him ?-.---
The Honnurable aid Learned Gentleman will acquit
me of thiecharge.of contending, that, either on- this ot on
any othereeeasinti, a-Sedge should discharge his duty
to himself .withotst rearence to his duty towardsothets;
.or that he ihnild.tstake observations on statements, of
Abe authenticity of szhieh.he it not Satisfied c• as:reudilTa
'1 am sure,. will he aequitlis of the idea of sheltering
;rnacsolf Studer the tethaica3fty of denying, that whet
was sltalby the bird .C4aiii.e.gbi had reference to what
owed in Alas .iiiinau. But it hadnat reference to 14'1
'am sure, in the sense whicbthetionourable.and Learned
Gentleman attributed to it—not in the sense of a great
Officer of the Crown attempting to intimidate a Mcm-

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,tier. of tbe house of Comm t —/) et of in individual,
feeling, perhaps, too sensibly for his character, after a
r public lite of great merit, and of whoM it might be
said, that he wore his heart upon his sleeve,
"For daws to peek at"—
and dreaded too much every trifling attack, ac striking
-at the 'inflect his reputation. It is a fault to he so sen-
sitive—it is a fault in a public man—but it will he hard
on public men, that it should be'so severely visited Iy
the Honourable and LeariiiiMissisiiso propoies ; for, I
am sure, that. the-cow:alas plate oatreatt lead us to lit,
Ile less than an accireation-of the most serious kind. .1
:certainly wish that. a dife,rent course bad been taken by
the Noble Lord, and that in the time that elapsed
tweet; the debate in thieficrise, and the end of the weep
hehad recurred.to,cflter teitiniony;:whicit might hare
set him right as to Elie wordsactrialkotteted by the How
and Learned Gentleman—laferii,.fronts Me Opposilioni:
That it is to be regretted that the IltAleLord hadtreft.
lected this precaution, I admit, isn't that he-could treat.
sure up the mistatement to take an opportintity of w re::k.
ing his vengeance or. an individual, is what no man
would believe of another, and what any one who knows
the .charactertif the Noble Lord will not dream of at-
.tributing to hini—Vire 'Bor.:extern-Gen en A L here
whilpered to Mr. Cairn:lc:n-4.1 hare made this Miser.
supposintit to-tie-tree that the Lord Chancellor
had seen the 'reported obser"ations of .the Honourable
and Learned Gentleman soon' afrer they were tittered;
but my Hononrable and Learned4Frieitd, w o is ac-
quainted with the fact,Aells: me • that the paper contain.
ing the expression 'attributed to the Honourable and
iLearnedGentlerran i•as 13of into the hand of the Lott!
*Chancellor only;on 'saturtiabitirAing, at the motw-:.-
his.going info COurt. Thenv`Kroire the 11:,nouta')10.
and Learned Genikinan, -and•the •Losd Chancellor, 5(1
situated 'that 'the eliaracterof •theinte or 'of the other

must suffer Heat-At/Z/1. There is,it appeals to me, all
intermediate "path. 'What the Whoitrable and Learned
Gentleman said could 'not •jiistly have given offimee,
While in that mi4el,resentatron, not wilful, and not in-
excusable, of' the Honotn=able and Learned Gentletrau's
onselration, is to be found a justification of the warmth
of the Noble 'Lord—(clear). • crbe Honourable and
Learned Gentleman' l/as vindicated 'himself in the face
of the House and of-the country, and it will appear in
'him somewhat approaching to the temper which helm
atttibutea to the LOrd.Chancollor; if he press hi., mu-

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; and I see no motive which need preclude him
from receiving the best and ninsrsubstantial s AO-ac-
tion, in the assurance that what hr teally did did

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aoi excite the feelings which the misrepresent ~ r+o of
:what he did say has led to the espiession of—weer,
shear).. Sir, with theseieelingi, atid to prevent thec rn.
:mencement of a prootedivg, the termination of which
we cannot anticipate,and wstirthefullest admission that
-the Honourable and Learned Gentleman has set hia,,elf
entirely right, I-take the liberty to oppose his motion.
Mr.'DROUGELAM said, that healid.not rise to vindi-
cate the character of -his Honottrable Friend, tor that
:object had 'been attained by the defence of the Right
Honourable Secretary—a defence the candour of which
was great, the fairne.s unquestionable; and, c• nsidering
the character of theaclient .aita was :deft n feJ, va.tly
moderate. That defence, indeed, #a; def.-rice at all ;
for in it there was an admission of a.he,:wirole of the
',charge, or, at least, a submissive evenuation or it. But
he rose Do remind thaffonseahat there was a third party
involved—( Hear,. henr)—a . parry who, he -begged par-
don of his Honourable Friend, was mere nearly and
deeply concerned—he meant the liouse'of Parliament—
(Loud cries of ,klear i front the •Oppestiliatt 4eackes)-
13esities; the sharacter of his lionoutahle friend never
WAS in jeaparaly awn those who Away him, and the
shade of a shadow had never obscured its brightness. It
was the higher irstereat of -the privileges of the House
to >which he (Mr. Brougham) tam Looked—those privi-
leges which wetted to exist onlyto he laughed at, and
which had been autctsafally irwailed in rimy instances,
and grcps sly perverted in-mints; and there was now
a chance of their being employea td aid the powerful
against the weak--(Cries of Flear,ll on: the Opposition).
Let the Editor of a Newspaper have written what he
might—let the Reporters of debates have put forth a
questionable report, or made comments on the &scan-
sion, all this could not now screen the Lord Chancellor.
It had been said that his Lordship had given way to his
feelings in a moment of irritation—that he had been
too hasty ; and the Right HornsurableSerretary had re-
quested the House not to press the matter _ farther.—
gs Don't," sap he, 44 %big the ease to a vote, for.his
Lordship is sensitive, and if 'he has sianed, it has beers
from the escess of fuse feeling ; And if. be had waited
forty-eight hours be might not have made any remarks
because there would have been no grounds for them"
—(Hear, and -laughing). This, in his (Mr. Orpogbasa's)
opinion, had nothing to do with the question before the
House. • The question was—the ..Lord• Chancellor ,has
admitted himself in the wrong, and theae could be no
doubt that he grossly violated the privileges of Parlia-
Intent. He (Mr. Brougham) re6embered that an indi-
vidual had been punished by a quibble on a section in
the Bill of Rights, by which it is enacted, that no Nep-
ber of Parliament shall be questioned for yihat he' says
in the House; but then he was not an illustrious and
distinguished personage---he was not a man in high
office, and backed by the Crown—he was an humble
individual, Mr. Gale Jones, who had been sent to prison
for placarding a notice that the conduct of a certain
Member of Parliament would be discussed at a spout-
ing club. But there was certainly this essential diver-
mice between the two cases, Mr. Jones was not in Court
-or in power ; he did not question, he did not read other
reports; be did not take time to inquire; he did not allow a
Saturday and a Sunday to elapse without an atonement.
The Lord Chancellor passed sentence without tittestion;
and carried his sentence into immediate itecition.
With the Lord Chancellor's motives or intentibas he
(Nr. Brougham) had nothing do; it wa the tendency
of what he uttered to Which the attention of the House
should be directed. He would put it to any one within
these walls, if a member of the profession, who had a
seat in the House, could now stand up in the fearless
discharge sof his Ay, if the. Head of -the Court where
he practised, and from which he derived the subsistence
of himself and Iris family—if that Judge could pass
sentence upon him, the effect of which would be to ex-
clude him from-farther practice in his profession, and
to destroy the well-earned rewards of his professional
life, and so far as lay in the power of that Judge, to
exclude him' from that profession ,for ever—lie (Mr.
Brougham) put no hypothetical case; such a practice
;would produce these effects, and might haveproduced
'them in the present instance. fie had no hesitation in
'saying that the language of the Lord Chancellor was a
gross and flagrant -violation of the privileges of the
louse; and as his Honourable Friend had stated his
case, and the defence had admitted that mist unjudi-
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its character,
sealssefotdtowes:reeenblit;stk,... s -
ciiii
Illat
of i
his sleeve,
d:o e
trii'
isgtiwnthtaiahec6fetoatiaf:ae
rihunciaiktditte.ii,tteao.i alnitaih:s leist:siii gtv riihcikt: nab:: see 1
' ktl9l
(A 0
' Pati'
—but it will he hut if tli
io Severely visited 4 unii
slim proposes ; for,/ bar
whs
raost serious kind. .i
r:':::::emnigttkitenh:Tve . 1
on
mil
sistA
iial
lynttet ed by the flow log
front. Me Opposition): tha
lqe6le. Lord hadtni.
g. arst
it that he-could treat. .rev
opportatity of wre.:k. Vale
nal, is what no man the
it any one who knows tha
will not dream of at- Cb
ntOft-Gart if A L here oth
hare made this obser- . we!
t the Lord Chancelicr Ch
is 'of 'the Honourable he
et they were tittered; iPe
&Friend, wo is ac. me
rat the papecjcamain. not
the Honoutable and A tti
the hand of the Lon! :.....1
*ing, at the mottle- ~.. the
roire the 1-I:,noula')lc Pia
•Losd Chancellor, u the
time or ,iif the other he,
. .
isot appeals to me, all P"
,htiiirable and Learned tics
y ltirce given offilnee, tclt
sot wilful, and not ir.- sq
Learned Gentletrau's can
fication of the warmth th
The Honourable and i 3
ec 'himself in the face Si
, and it will appear in to
e temper which he has of
tr.; if he press hi.. me. Sill
:11 need preclude hint IA
Ist' substantial s lilac- sin
he really did .'ay did is,
e inisrepreserit ,i • W If co
espiessirm rrf—t I lerrr, tie
lid so prevent the c re. II
e.termination of V. hitt
rfulkst admission that
title man has set hi :it,ell .....
to oppose his motion. ltd
hewlid.not rise to vindi- cv
Irable Friend, for that in
.! defence of the Right It!
e the candour of which is
iablel and, c. nsidering Or
was:deft n fed, va.tly
ti
bras no defoice at all ;
a of jiet.witole of the pQ
ettenuation or it. But w'
: there was a third party so
who, lee -begged par- an
was mere nearly and di
House'of Parliament— fie
Oaoutapposihle k'rilitm 4end never
bto,koray him, :and the
cured its brightness. !t sh
eivileges of the House nC
,w looked—these privi- si
rto he lattglied at, and to
ailed in many instances, 31
t; and there was now I
yea td aid the powerful
tr,lioin the Opposition). di
have written what he ity
Ars have put forth a a
rmmenrs on the discus- Ii
in the Lord Chancellor. 6
ip had given way to his ar
on—that he had been al
'rattle Secretary had re- a
the Matter _ farther.— n
ease to a vote, for.his C
has sinned, it has been • T.'
; and if, be bad waited a
lave made any remarks b
1
no grounds for them"
in his (Mr. Orpnbasa's) t
the question before the 4
: :Lord • Chancellor ,h as 1
and thege could be no I
he privileges of Parlia- a
membered that an indi- 1
quibble on a section in I
s =meted, that no klem- . t
;timed for what he' says I
not an illustrious and
as not a man in high
vu—he, was an humble
had been sent to prison
to conduct of a certain
to discussed at a spout. .
my this essential diver-
. Jones was not in Coast
)n, he did not read other
squire; he did not :Moira.
without an atonement.
Itence without Sittestion;
D immediate itecition.
totives or intentikasss he
lo; it was 'the tendency
e emotion of the House
put it to any one within
to profession, who had a
stand up in the fearless ..
'ead of .the Court where
le derived the subsistence
that Judge could pass
if which would be to ex- •
:e in his pitifession, and
'ands of his professional
rower of that Judge, to
:ssion for ever—lie (Mr.
al case;, such a practice .
nd might have, produced
He had no hesitation in
e Lord Chancellor was a
of the privileges of the •
le Friend had stated his •
_
mined that ottst unjudi- •
rear; and laughtcr)—a. de- .
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