Star.
London, England, 1805-07-01 00:00:00

TENTH REPORT OF THE COMMISSION OF NAVAL EN

o,ototy.—(Continurd from Saturday': STAR )
The Examination of ANDREW 51:.:ra Ilammoup, Fart.
Do put know at what time in the year 1800,
there was fi: ft a deficiency of money in the hands
of the Treafurer of the Navy, for the difcharge of
demands for Naval fervices ? About the beginning
of September, tsoo, upon confidering the lams than
rema;ned to come in of the fupplics of that year, it
appeared that the expenditure had been larger thin
was expeded in the early part of the year, and upon
an efiimate of what was likely to be wanted to the
end of the year, there appeared to be a deficiency of
about two millions and an half.

Was that comparifon made by you as Comptrol-
ler of the Navy ?—Yes, and colleaed from the dif-
ferent Departments.
Was it made by the define of any of his Majefly's
Miniffers ?—I rather think it was made by the defire
of the Secretaries of the Treafury, who looked to me
for information on all fubjedts of Naval expenditure.
When and to whom was that information given ?
I believe it was given to Mr. Long and Mr. Rofe,
certainly to one, and molt likely to both, in the early
part of September, I believe, or pehaps the latter end
of Augult.
Having made the eflimate, what was the next
communication made to you from the Treafury ?
I had certainly frequent communications with the
Secretaries of the Treafury, and was prefent when
the meafure of renewing bills wasmentioned ; and I
was afked, whether I law any objeainn to renewing
hills, to any perfons that preferred having a new Navy
Bill inftead of being paid in money ? to which I Paid,
I few no objeßion.
What was the next communication you received
from the Treafury on the fubjea ?—A letter from
Mr. Ly,ng, dated 7th September, marked No. 1, in
the Appendix to the Eleventh Report.
What anfwer did you return to that tester, and
what was done in confequence of it ?—lt was put into
immediate execution by a letter from the Navy
Board, written to the Treafurer of the Navy, to re-
(pea, he would Rick up a notification in his Office,
that fuch perfons as thought proper rnight be nem-
modated with new bills at ninety days, in dihharge
of thofe becoming due, until further order.
Were any Bills renewed in confequence of that
notice (luck up?—Yes, a great many.
Was any application made to. the Treaffiter of the
Navy, by any holder of Navy Bills that were due,
for payment, without renewal, with cafh, after this
notice was flock up ?-1 never heard that there was
any applica ion to the Treafurer of the Navy, nor

mid there-be any clecalion for tueh application,
thole who did not with for a freth bill received c.r
amount in oath.
What was the mode agreed upon between you anr!
the Secretary of the Treafury, for carrying the mta.
fore (the iffue of Navy Bills) into execution ?—sTltt
Navy Bills thould be made out to any perfon that
Mars. Goldfmid, the brokers employed by the
Treafury for difpoling of Exchequer Bills, Should
appoint ; which brokers were to pay the amount into
the hands of the 'rrealitrer of the Navy, fur the dd..
charge of Navy Bills becoming due.
When Mai s. Goldfmid came to yon at the Navy
Office, what arrangement did you make with they
!for the drawing and difpnfing of thole bills ?—Mr.
Goldfmid informed me and the Committee of Ac.
counts, that if the hill, were made out to any pert is
that would put them into his charge, he would ina.
mediately pay the amount, or fuch part thereof, ro.
the Treafury of the Navy, As was required fir carry.
ing on the fervice of difcharging the go-day hilt. as
! they became due, therefore, on receiving Mr. t.„:..,..
I letter (N 6) too,oool. (part of scio,oo,-;1.
tinned in that letter) in Navy Bills, were made out
in the name of Mr Cornwall Smally, who Laprr..
ing to he in the office, had propofed his narre t‘s
m.:de ufe of; but the neat day, he having f‘gnr.fid
I tome oblation on account of the dealings his hoefe
had with the Board, Mr. Goldfmid having previously
had a copverfation with Mr. George Glenny, he
propofed the meafure to him, and Mr. Glenny in-
troduced Mull-elf to me for the put pole, previou% to
which time I do not remember ever to have fe.ir Mr.
Glenny, and thofe bills were deßroyed, and 1:7
ones And in the name of Mr.. George Glenny
when theft-. bills were ..delivered to Mr. Glenny, he
wrote a letter to the Navy Board, acknowledgiog
the receipt of too,oool. and the Islawy Board wrote
to him in confequence the letter N. 7, in the A?.
pendia to the Eleventh Report.
What were the particular oblations made by Mr.
Smaily to having his name mentioned in the Bills
Mr. Smally Rated, that having very confiderabiz
dealings with the Navy Board, his partners were of
opinion, as well as himfelf, that thefe bills might
clafh with his other accounts.

Since you have been Comptroller of the Navy,
have you known of any bills, whether ninety.day
bills, or the fifteen-months bills, or bills payable in
courfe, difpofed of for the purpofe of railing money
before the year 'Soo ?—I do not know that any bills
of any of thofe defcriptions were ever ilued for that
purpofe previous to affober in 18,:o.
In the converfations which you Rated yourfelf to
the Commitlioners of Naval Enquiry to have had
with the Fitll Lord of the Admiralty, concerning
the bills iffued to Glenny, did you receive any direc-
tion from, or were you anthorifed by him to draw the
Paid bills Seed to Mr. Glenny ?—Lord Spencer was
fully apprifed of the difficulties the Treafury experi-
enced, and therefore gave his full fanelion to me to
carry that meafure into execution.
Ihe examination of Gxemos GLINAI, Fig.
What inducement had you to permit your name to
be tired as payee of the Navy Bills ?—A !I've offer.
ring the public ; no other inducement, either direr ly
or indireCtly.
Was it neceirary you fibroid indorfe them before
they were put in circula,i,in
Where were they brought to you to indorfe, and
by whom ?—The fit It 50,000 1 received at the Navy
Office myfeif; afterwards they were ufually rent to
Meths. Goldlmid's Office, and I ufed to call there
and indorfe them in their Office.

By whom was the change from the name of Glen•
ny to the film of Dooaldfon and GIL n y fira fu.Telt•
ed cannot charge my memo; a, b 4 I believe it
was by me ; the realrm was, that I conceived that it
would, in fame meafure, hide the neceffit y which Go-
vernment were then under, becaufe the bottle of Do-
naldfon and Gleamy had manyViEtsialling Bills,paffing
through their hands for fervices performed, and I
individually had none ; and thereftre the Bills when
in my name, had a novel appearance in the maiket.
Was not the change made in order to give the bills
the appearanc• of more regular bills ?—That was my
meaning.
Was your fira communication with Sir Andrew
Snare Hammond on this fabjett an accidental meet-
ing ?—lt Was
Were you aware that thef-e bills were firtl made out
in the name of Mr. Smelly ?—I was not.
1 he t:xaminotion of .111.1eteiit Gotntaiza,
Do you ,ernember that at the time of the firtt iffue
r:f Navy Bills, in September and Oftober tBOO, to
Mr. Glenny, there was great &heft in the money
markets ? Yes, there was a great diltrefs.
Were other pu'alic fecurities, patticularly Exche-
quer Bills, very difficult to negotiate —Very much
lb, and if we had forced the market, it would have
made them fall to a confiderable ditcOunt ; it was re•
ported at that time, that great part of the (applies
that were granted, were exhantied, owing to the
enormity of the price of provifions and gores. which
occafioned the people that had money to hold them,
felves in readinefs, as the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer mull foon make a Loan.
Do you believe that if a treat iffue of Exchequer
Bills had been attempted at that time, to fapply the
exigencies of Government, thole hells Exchequer
Bills could have been difpofed of without a confider.
able tors ?—Not without a confiderable lots, nor even
then to any large amount.
Du you believe that if a Loan had been negotiated
at that time, it could have been negotiated oa any
terms not highly elifadvantageous to the State ?-4
Very difadvantageoufly, owing to a great part of the
former Loan not having been yet paid up.
Were the Navy Bills negotiated by you, difpofed
of in proportion as the produce of them was wanted
for the exigencies of the Naval Service, without diffi-
culty or lots to the public ?—Without lois to the
public or difficulty.
Do you know any other Me of public feettritiv. or
operation of finance, by which the Siaes could 1: :ve
been relieved without great diradvantage ?--I
to fay this was the oniy way it could have been done.
Do yt•ti remember whether any conliderable
cubits in the money market exalted in the month of
September, tßot ?—Yes, money was rather ICVCC,
Exchequer Bills fold at about ont (billing dilcount,
and then there was no great demand for them.
If you at that time had attempted to tote tie
market, would not the difcount have been gl ca:er e
Very much fn.
Were you tbeo em, loped to n3lociatf Navy Plitt

a foaar defcriptioni with thofe you negoeiated
To the 24th Oftober, tgoo, to 7th March, ißot ?
Yes, I was.

Were you enabled to negotiate tilde hills with the
lime facility as the former, and without lots ?—Juli
the fame.

Did you continue to he employed in in negotiating
bilk of this Jefcription from September, 1801, to the
beginning of :slay, 1802 ?—Yes, I was.
During the whole of that period, is it your opinion
that the public exigencies for Naval Services were
answered more advantageoully by this method, than
it could have been by the ifftte of any other public
lecurities, or by any other operation of finance ?—By
none In well.

Would battening the loan have been advantageous
to the State ?—Very difadvantageous ; for during
that period the Deiwitive Treaty was signed, and the
1.-an was made after that, and in better terms by
trent to to is per cent. than if it had been made at
an earlier period.
Upon the whole are you of opinion that, during
the two periods from the 24th a:tuber, tBco, to the
7th March, 18ot, and from the 9th September,
001, ti.) the sth May, tBox, during which the iffue
of thefe hills teas retorted to for the exigencies of the
Naval Service, it would have been pi ffible t--) meet
thole exigencies in any other way In advantageous to
ill!. State ?—None fo good ; and indeed that was the
only poffible way it could have been d"ne.
Did the ufual 90-day Navy Bills Lifer any deco, e-
e:ation by the gin of thole which you negotiated ?
—Certainly not.
If the ufual 90-day bills had not been paid when
they became du:. what effea would it have had in
the city ?—lt would have been dettruaion.
IV.is the offer which ;VAS made to the holders of
90-day bills, to accommodate filch of them as chofe
it with other bills in lieu of payment in calls, con-
titicied as retleaing the finallett difcrcdit un the
90-day hills ?—None in the world, they might have
had their money if they pleafed.
When you welt examined before the Commit:.
fioners of Naval Enquiry, did you communicate the
Ilibitance of the opinions which you have now Rated,
to them f—Clearly fo.
Look at your evidence, as putted in the Eleventh
Report. No. il, and point out to the Curautittee,
their Report of any fuels communication ?-4 do not
fee a word of it, and I was vet y ranch furprifed at
not having found it there, beeaufs I thought that I
had made them acquainted with the fervice which the
aseafure had rendered to the public.
Were you fatisfied that you had, fo far as was in
your paver, made the CommiMotters of Naval En-
quiry as completely mailers of the whole of this fob•
jeft, as you have now made the Members of this
Committee ?—Clearly fo.
Did you state to the Commiffioners of Naval En-
quiry, that the meafure was inditpenfably neeetuy
for the fupport of public credit ?--I certainly did.
Is your evidence fully Itated in the Elesenth Re-
port ?—No, certainly nos; I thought froth their con-
'citation that they were politely tatitfied of the
lily of the tranfadion.
Was no written queflion fet down at the time it
was afked )ou ?—Certainly there were, but before
any written queftions were put down, fever al conter
fations took place to make them underhand the ufc of
the meafure.

Du ail the queftions that were taken down in writ-
ing, at the time they were put, appear with their
aniwers in the Report ?—I believe to; but there are
not of the converfations.

At what period were you faorn before the Corn -
miflioners ?—When I came into the room, before I
was (offered to (peak, and before any of the conver-
fations took place.
Did you confider yourfelf as much upon your oath,
in the anfwers which you gave to the queltions which
were not written down, as to thole that were ?—I
thought myfelf as firmly bound in the whole of what
I hid, as if I had been before a Court of Jullice.
Was you (worn immediately on coming before the
Commitlioners ?—I think I was.

Was what you call converfation condutled by way
cf queflion and anfwer, as here ?—Clearly fo.
Does the evidence you have given today, as to
the manner of your examination before the Com-
mid:Alters of Naval Enquiry, apply to both your
:rainivations before them ?—lt dote.

(To be continud. )

LONDON.

MONDAY, JULY t.
PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK I
Cads. for an. S94—Redeced sii....onutiwri. 31.
4 per Qua td.
111111 LIN. PSI 25,-1 per Cast. Gov. Deb- 9.1.
Etchin—Dublin as Loudon i 1 f.

There is a tonfiderable degree of butlle at the
Moms. The fleet afiimblcd the: c has been joined by
as lA. than fourteen fmall fire fhips— a larger num-
ber than is utually attached to Inch a fleet, %%hid' has
given rife to many eocjl.autes.

Since OUT hit two more of the Hansbargh Mails
have arrived, and Dutch papas to the 25th alt. in-
. dative.
M. Novas:LT any:, whom the Continental Gazettes
the iuteren of France have fo often reprefented as
about to proceed to Milan or Paris, to folicit peace
a.ul the tranquillity of Europe, at the hands of Bona-
:mars, continued at St. Pctertburgh on the to of
inac. TLis circuallianee teems, in Tome degree, to
corroborate the accounts by a late Got:enburgh Mail,
:Laing, that the tregociarift: between the Courts of
St. Po.. a ..gU and St. Cloud had been broken ofE
Ace irding to the Dutch papers, all the Paris pa-
pers of the '9th Wt. with the exception of the Af&ni.
*sr, aliened, on the authority of intelligence received
by a Nanta privateer, that the combined fquadron
iraJ met with fueb fuecefs as would (hike terror into
/ bt dad particularly affea the trade of Liverpool.
%%heta:: we ought to infer from this that accounts
have been received in France of the operations of
that %cis we seed not enquire, fume we can tow

Rate; that certain acconnes have at length been re-
ceived of the Comuitted French and Spanith fleet.
On Saturday arrited at Liverpool the Triton, Cap-
tain MARSHALL, frotit St: Lucie, whick place he left
on the 15th of May.

The day before Captain Maasnaci. failed, infor-
mation was received at St. Lucie from Capt. Moa-
illsi commanding at the Diamond Rock, that a
French force, confilling of 36 fail of the line, fix
fl 'gates, and three brigs, had that day paired the
Rock, and gone into Fort Royal, Martinique.
On the aiR of May, the TRlrom was boarded, off
Cape Samana, St. Domingo, by a boat from his Ma.
jay's (hip Go/LAN, Captain Ascot/cif, to whom
Captain MARSHAL gave information of the arrival of
the above fleet at Martinique, with which Captain
Ascouc H immediately proceeded to J.unaica to give
notice to the Admiral on that Ration.

On Monday, the loth of June, Captain MAR so ALL
eras fpoke by his Majefty's frigate Msaculy, in lat.
40.5 t. N. long. 48. bound from Jamaica for England.
The Tutrrow called at Turks Wand on the 24th of
May, to fill up her water, and was informed that the
Jamaica Fret had pallid Cape Nicola Mole about a
week before.

The Crews Hoop of war, and a 44 tuned en flute,
are captured by the French fleet.

The above intelligence has excited very oppoGte
fenfations in the city. The Well•lndia Merchant'
are not a little alarmed by the news, as they fear
that fome mifchief may be done before the arrival of
Lord NELSON'S fleet. They are not a little glad,
however, that his Lordthip's information, which
every one almoli was inclined to think erroneous at
the time, has proved to be fo perfealy
Whatever may be the confequence, the weight of
the blow will be conftderably lightened by the
notice which was fent immediately to the Wands.—
The junaion of Admiral COCHLEAR with the Ja-
maica koadron will give a force fufficient, if
not to attack. at leaft to embarrafs the enemy. It
will be evidently the intereft of the French to lofe no
time in effeaing the objeas of their expedition, before
an Englith fiviadron can arrive ; but as Lord NEL.
sow did not fail from Europe before the Toth of May,
they have time to ravage and plunder, if they do not
focceed in polfcffing, tome of the iflanits.
It is to be obferved that only 16 fail of the line are
Paid to have reached Martinique on the 14th of May.
The combined fquadron conf►lted of at leaft tsp.
The reit mull have been detached on fome feparate
expedition, perhaps t • ;:ie Cape of Good Hope, per.
baps to attack the :1 And of Trinidad, an objea which
mutt be flawing to the Spanith part of the fquadron.
Thole eonneaLd with the Eaft India Houfe, on
the other hand, are very glad that their anxiety has
at length been removed. Every one indeed rejoices
at the removal of Ow ,inez.rtainty we were in) re-
fpeaing the dellina:ioa of the enemy, and hong
herpes are entertained, that whatever alarm their ap-
pearance in the Weft Indies may occation, it will
loon be terminated, and a good account be received
of them.

We flop the prefs to announce that accounts have
reached town of the fafe arrival of the Well India
fleet in the Channel ; and that a report is circulated
that Government have received intelligence of the
arrival of Lord Nelson's fleet at Barbadoes—but the
time when we have not heard. We hope this will be
confirmed.—Lord Nasson's fleet confills of twelve
fail of the line, and as Admiral Dacess has eleven
of the line, we may Coon expea to hear intelligence
of importance from that quarter.

This morning difpatches were received at the Ad-
mitAlty from Lord GARDNER, dated off Brett the
z;th ult. at which tune the enemy's forces appeared
is

Difpatehes were likewife received from the Downs
Ration. Report fay; they have brought intelligence
of impottauce, but the particular' have not tranf-
pired.

Laft Saturday morning a duel was fought between
Lieutenant Colonel /hull of the 12th Light Dra-
goons, and Major MADDSN. late of the fame regi-
ment. The parties met at feven o'clock in the mor-
ning in Paddington Fields. It was agreed by the
Seconds that they Ihould fire together at the diftance
of twelve paces. On the fignal being given, Major
M. fired, but Lieutenant Colonel B. difeharged his
in the air. The feconds then interfered, and
the affair terminated.

MC/ALAND GALLERY, MACKLIN'S Great Room,
Fleet-lireet, formerly the Poet's Gallery.—This very
fine Colledion of one hundred choice Paintings con-
tinues, we underhand, for public infpeetion, and is
open from nine till dulk.
The pen of SHAKIISPIAAK has given a fcope for
Scenes in his admirable play of Cymbeline, even be-
yond what he has himlelf introduced ; of this the
Author of Inugas, PriaAji of Britain, has happily avail-
ed hinsfed at the Royal Cis cus, mid while thole of our
Immortal Bard are corretily delineated, others new I
to the Stage are given with the lirongett effeet that
affirm is capable of conveying. The opening
fcen:, the provoking Poahumus to the wager, by
Lachlan) ; the chamber fcene, with the latter's con-
cealment in the Trunk, and his pretended proof to
Pollhumus of Imogen's infidelity are,amonglt others,
comedy and iniprtAvely given. The whole of this
piece proves Itrongly- attraaive; it is, however, ac-
companied by other very pleating entertainments :
amongh lbw: the Mogul Talc, or Harlequin Wan-
derer. The vocal exertions and concerto oa the
Piano Forte by that furprifing child, Mils Fsania
and MAKSIN'S admired Horfanauthip, are highly
de:ening of no;i4.