Star.
London, England, 1831-10-07 00:00:00

MKS PI TM lITALK.

Mr. WI LIES then moved for an address to the following
effect That there be laid before the House an account of
all offices, places, situations. or employments, la the army,
navy, or civil depanmenta of the elvare, with all pensions,
retired allows ces, reversionary grants, and 'William iesl pre.
ferments, held by each of the Peers of the United Kingdom
of Great linters and Ireland, tieing a seat in parliament,
and by his family and relations; specifying the amount of
the pay, salaries, fees, and ocher emoluments, of tech stench
offices, places, situations, and employments, and of such
pensions, retired allowance, reversionary grants, and axle-
siastical preferments, respectively."
Agreed to.

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Ur. HUNT presented a pedalos tram Wk. Bussal, of
Wigrourre-wreet. Cavendish-wpm somplehig of the
reader' of Mr. Hoskins, of lisaitesib4new oHeo, who
had held Hr. K. wo, a lad of Sao paw ap, to bag, •' for
treading a !soap " la tba attests as hla tuber to roaww

for Ms appounoco. That boy, while troodliog ids beg', I
was taken into custody by a policeman. The father bad to
pay ts. 6d. for a summons.
Peddon ordered to be printed.

TITHES--IRELAND.
' lard INOESTRIE presented a petition from forty be.
wad Clergymen of the diocese of Ossory and Ferns. eon-
pisiming of their inability to collect their tithes. He did
net swum to enter into the question of the legality of tithes.
Hs sessidersd that the fact could not be questioned ; bat
this pddss was a tolerably good reply to the allegation
that there was no combination in Ireland on the subject of
tithes. The petitioners wets, however, ready to make any
tun saariflces to be enabled to collect their tit ha peacefully.
Tbey were forbidden to pursue other callings, therefore it
was most unjust thus to deprive them of the means of exist.
race ; and especially as the), in common with the other
clergymen, were zealous and laborious in the discharge of
their duties. The present Session would not afford time for
him to submit a motion on the subject; but in the next
&seine he should deem it to be his duty to bring it under
the coosideration of parliament.
Col. CONOLLY said that a very extensive combination
existed in Ireland to prevent the collection of tithes. He
had seen the hurling system in full force, and could bear
testimony to the fact of its extensive existence. He felt
compelled to pronounce the strongest eulogy on the for-
bearance of the clergy, in consequence of their forbeerence
to enforce the collection of tithes, and the combination to re-
slat the payment of tithes was proceeding and increasing to
an extent truly alarming. If the system continued, there were
petiole who would despoil so long as there was any thing to
spoliate. They, however, did not act from themselves—
they were stimulated by others, especially by such eloquent,
invidious, and pernicious productions as those of Dr. Doyle.
They were encouraged in systematic opposition to the law.
Dr. Doyle existed in the titido of these agitations. (Hear.)
Thaw proceedings could not go on—it was quite impossible
that they could last. Tile revenues were sanctioned by ages,
and yet the tesistance to them was, as it were, rentlidtd•—
The combinations endangered the very existence of the church
in Ireland. Where was the system of menace to end t He
trusted that the government would not fail to extend its most
serious irtention to this subject.
bir J. NEWPORT admitted the importance of the sub-
ject, but he should have been very glad if the hon. member
who last spoke had devised a remedy for the evil. But he
lugged it to be understood that the Roman Catholics were
not the only persons who resisted the payment of these
tilos—the Prutestants were largely engaged in such resist.
anee, therefore be again asked what was the remedy of the
hon. member, or the noble lord—(hear). Let it be born in
mind, however, always that the great cause of grievance was
the tithe on potatoes (bear, hear) ; and a great grievance it
was. He was fat from justifying combinations, but still it
was important when they were complaining of evils to know
what those evils really are.
Mr. W. Y. PEEL said these petitioners end the Irish
clergy ought to be protected in their rights by the Govern-
ment. If the day of spoliation of tithes came, short would
be the time between the want of security for all property.
Mr. BLAKENRY contended that the Irish church bad
brought much of the opposition on itself by the manner is
which the tithes had been too often enforced. This was a
state of things that could not last; if it continued they must
prepare themselves to look for the downfall of the church
of Ireland.

Captain GORDON said. If these allegadons were true
—and true they were—their table ought to groan under
petitions praying for redress. But ought they to be sur-
prised, when they recollected the language of Roman
Catholic priests respecting tithes?
Mr. H. GRATTAN said, he was not sutprised at theitm•
willingness of some to pay tithes. for it waspot very agree-
able to have to contribute to two churches ; but he must
nevertheless observe, that in his part of the country he found
more opposition to tithes resulted from Protestants than from
Catholics.

Mr. LEPROY contended that the clergy had a just right
to complain; but ought they to be surprised that there were
combinations, when Dr. Doyle, in a pamphlet, expressed the
hope that the hatred of people to tithes might be as last.
log as their love of justice." That looms* ought to have
been pro:voted ; and as it had not, the people inferred that
the Government connived at such sentiments.
Mr. DAWSON observed that the complaisits of these
petitioners were well founded. and deserved the attention of
the house and the government.
Mir. SHELL said that the only corrective for the evils
ampleinsi of. would be to follow the example set by the
bah umber for Dundalk (Capt. Gordon) to convert the
4000,000 (=holies of Ireland into Protestants, and then
there would not be mach objection to the tithes.
Mr. STANLEY observed that the government had =-
Waded all the assistance possible consistemly with the law,
if not sometimes beyond the law, by affording the aid of the
constabulary force. The relief asked could not be given,
except by the sanction of parliament ; and would it, In the
present state of exdternent, be advisable to compel the tithe
courpositiou act In all west The complaint was &serious
one, and government would afford all possible assistance;
but be did not see that the government was called upon at
the present mamma to propose new laws to meet existing

Mr. GOULBURN remarked. that the complaints about
the severity of costs came with very 111 grace from those who
were subjected to them, in consequence of resisting legal de-
mands. The petitioners were amongst the most respectable
of Ireland. He thought some effectual relief
cotrglYttrenbe afforded if possible, to avert proceedings so dan-
gerous to the stability of the Church.
Petition ordered to lie on the table.
Lard INGESTRIE moved that it be printed, remark-
ing that be had not dwelt on its prayer, Watt's be could
trot concur In its solidtation for new laws on the subject.
In presenting this petition he was not actuated by elec.
dowering motives.
Mr. LEFROY said. if the law had been outatepped„ It
bad been very ill exerted, for the mischief remained. But
what he particularly complained of, was that certain lan.
gunge had been allowed or connived at ; the language of
Dr. Doyle's pamphlet had neither been prosecuted nor dis-
avowed by the Government.
Mr. STANLEY observed, that if the evil continued, it
was not in consequence of the Government not being ready
to afford all legal assistance—all practicable aid had been
offered ; the evil was only to be met by legal enactment--if
legal enactment would meet the ad. (Hear.)
Col. TRENCH said, that combinations to a very great
extent existed against the payment of tithes In Ireland.
Mr. S. RICE said, the Government ought not to be made
answerable for Dr. Doyle's sentiments, at the same time he
had the greatest respect for that right rev. prelate.
On the motion of Mr. S. RICE a new writ was issued
for Drogheda.
Colonel PERCIVAL asked the Right Hon. Secretary
foe Ireland whether or not it was intended to fill up the
situation of Judge of the Admiralty Court for Ireland.
Dlr. STANLEY replied that he could not give a positive
answer, but he could assure the house that if it was it should
be one without peejudice either to abrogate the Alice or to
the abridgement of fees.

Lou ILIEOTIVANIS or :arum&
Col. PERCIVAL rose to move an address praying for
his Majesty to remove nob of the newly appointed Lords
Lieutenants ol amides in Ireland as are net resident within
their counties. The, gallant colonel pointed out a number
of instances in which apparent partiality had been exercised
in appointing Lord Lieutenants who were not resident. while
there were noblemen resident in the counties, who from birth,
fortune, and qualifications, were equally entitled to hold the
situations. He also alluded to examples where the situation
of Lord Lieutenants bad actually been filled by noblemen
who were not of age—(hear, bear). In some counties Jibed
beenobserved as a rule to appoint peers only. and if no peer
resided in the county, that was made a pretext for seeking a
nobleman from a neighbouring county to AU the situation ;
b.t in other cases noblemen had been passed over who re.
sided in counties, and the appointments had been filled up by
gentlemen not noblemen from neighbouring counties.
Mr. YOUNG seconded the motion. He oorrobotated
the statement made by the Gallant Colonel, and dted a
few more. He said be was much surprised to know that
such arrangements had been made by a Government
who had declared themselves, but very delusively be believed,
to be Reformers.

Mr. STANLEY repelled the allsptioneefkopartialk
and said that he should have expected the
gondol= in bringing forward spinet the Gs.
sermon to have confined himself to what they had
done, and not ham extended his charges to what they had sot
door. He said that the motive upon which Government
had acted, wee to appoint a person for that dies who
was likely to have moat interest to the county; and the
reams of selecting Peers was the same that was practisally
acted upon in England, because k had bees eateidered
likely that there might be a jealously embed reheat the
private gentlemen of the county. He denied that any
Nn iality had been ezereleed by the Govetemese ht the
appointments ; and also that any prevision to the Bill made

it absolute that Lord Lieutenants should be reddest in the
county; but It provided that they should be resident in
Ireland ; and the monset they left Ireland they were un-
der the nit sky of naming a Yke• Lieutenant, who lame.
distill possessed all the power and patronage of the Lord
• Lieutenant. It was Impossible that as the law stood it
cookl be espected that Lord-Lieutenants should reside lo
' the county, because there were several Noblemen who were
Lord-Lieutenants In two or three counties at the same
time. The Right Honourable Secretary replied at great
length to the individual Instances that bad been adduced,
and contended that Government was not at an to blame In
the arrangements they had made. He concluded with ex-
pressing his entire disapprobation of the modem.
Mr. MAXWELL supperted the motion.
Sir G. W A RARNDER defended the conduct of the go-
vernment, and said he thought it would be a new principle to
Interfere with that important prerogative of the Crown, and
he could not acquiesce with the motion of the gallant Co-
lonel; and he must say that government had so far been
impartial, that they had appointed several gentlemen as
fittiel persons who were diametrically opposed to the present
Administration.

Sir 3. NEWPORT was very indistinctly heard ; we un-
derstood him to oppose the motion, and to defend the con-
duct of Government.

Lord T ULL A MORE supported the motion, and censured
the Government on account of their appointments, and said
that many resident noblemen and gentlemen bad been grossly
insulted by being passed over, while nonresident noblemen
had been appointed to the office.
Mr. LAMBERT, at great length, repelled the allegations
against the Government.
After a few words from Mr. Conolly, Mr. C. Pelham, Sir
J. Doyle, and O'Connor Don'
Mr. LEFROY said It had been stated, on the introduc-
tion of the bill, that the Lord lieutenants would be chosen
only amongst resident individuals.
Mr. CRAM I'TON denied that each a statement had been
made. Gentlemen opposite were awe because all Lord Lieu.
townie were not Tories.
After • few words from Mr. CALLAGHAN,
Mr. IL O'CONNELL said, the greater number of the
nominations would be agreeable to Ireland.
Alia a few words from an honourable Member, Colonel
Perceval having replied, withdrew his motion.
Lord ALTHORP said he would postpone the motion
fora Select Committee on the West India Im.rest, tin a
later hour of the evening.
Mr. K. Douglas, Mr. Hume, Mr. Retries, Re. disap-
proved of the postponement.