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assurable Gentlemen would inform him, what
were the-situation and feelings of the self-called go-
vernment of Cadiz with respect to the South Ame-
rican eoloates. He knew that persons had been com-
missioned and sent out to mediate between the Spa-
nish government and the revolters of South America.
Had the Spanish government accepted this media-
tion ? And if it had been accepted, what progress had
been made towards reconciliation ? He begged to
' know the reasons which had so long detained those
Gentlemen who had been appointed to diplomatic
offices ; for instance, Sir Robert Wilson and Mr. Lis-
ton. If the objects of their respective missions were
considered important, why had they not proceeded
on their destined errands ? Whet also, he must ask,
was the present state of our army in Spain ? Were
the ranks full ?—were all the wants of various kinds
removed ? If not, what means, what resources had
Ministers to meet these exigencies, and supply those
deficiencies Had they any new recruiting system
to propose, to supply tile waste of the British army
in the Peninsula? All these were questions which
ought to be asked before the House should pledge it-
self
to the vast and extensive efforts now required.'
At any rite, his own mind must be informed on
I these subjects, before be could give his individual
consent to so important a pledge. Another point on
which he dissented from the present Address, %vas,
the gross delusion which it held out, when it assert-
ed that we intended to pursue with the American
Government that conciliatory system which had al-
! ready been adopted. He had himself, late in the
' last Session, applied for the papers relative to the
American discussions. The papers were refused :
and if the American Government had acted in the
same manner; wee might still have been all persuaded
that the language of our Ministers was perfectly con-
ciliatory, and required notl•ing but what the prospe!
rity, the honour, and the security of our country de-
manded. But even then, at the time of the refusal
of these pipers, Gentlemen on the side of the House
on which he sat had prophesied that war must ne-
cessarily ensue with America. Now we saw what
had been the consequence of all our notable schemes
with rega-d to America ; fraught as they were with
and productive of base subterfuges and commercial
.perjuries. All these fine projects, after an existence
of five years, appeared likely to end in forcing Ame-
rica into an alliance with France, and a war with
England. The Address taaked of conciliation.—
When the Foreign Minister, in his negociations with
that Government, indulged in contumelious expres-
sions, or in more contumelious silence, was such con-
tumely to be called a plan of conciliation ? Would
it be reckoned a conciliatory conduct among indivi-
duals not to answer a letter which stated serious mat-
ters of complaint ? When flat denials were given in
the face of facts, and a Minister was sent out to de-
mand what it was known could not be conceded,
was the Prince to be deluded by an Address which
expressed the language of conciliation ? He must
say, that the whole conduct of Ministers with respect
to America proved that they were acting on those
haughty and unconciliating principles which must
prevent peace with any Government in the world.
Last year, America had asserted that the French de-
crees were repealed. This was denied on our part;
but he defied the Right Hon. Gentleman to adduce
one instance to rebut this assertion. Such was the
language of the Americans themselves, which must
be believed, unless we supposed that their intentions
were rather to be learned from the sagacity and wis-
dom of the Right Hon. Gentleman—that wisdom
which had devised the grand design of depriving
the French hospitals of bark—that wisdom which
had projected the mighty plan of destroying the
French commerce, and had made our own Exchange
a desart. Perhaps the Right Hon. Gentleman would
communicate to them, for their benefit, some of his
'spare wisdom ; for if he bad any wisdom it certainly
was to spare, as he had never exhibited any in
governing his own country. But to return : Mi-
nisters neither gave, nor intended to give, any infor-
mation respecting these subjects of inquiry. All that
we knew was, that the affair of the Chesapeake was
indeed adjusted ; but all other differences were still
unreconciled. The Congress had met, and an Ad-
dress had been issued, which evidently anticipated
war—which war he had no hesitation to say, depen-
ded and resulted from the unbending and unaccom-
modating conduct of our Government. The Ad-
dress to the Regent was also blameable for the great
want of information on the subject cf our East India
possessions, and the policy to be pursued with respect
to them. He could not conclude without expressing
his decided dissent and political abhorrence of some
of the principles and maxims advanced last night by
the Noble Lord who moved the Address. That No-
ble Lord had said that it was impossible to make
peace with a person of such a character as Bona-
parte. Never at any period of history, till the time
of the present war, had so monstrous an assertion
been ventured, that the personal character of a Go-
vernor should be any impediment to a negotiation
between states. But, it there were any foundation
for such an opinion—an opinion, however, to which
be could never accede—still he must say that he saw
no greater obstacle to peace in the character of the
French Emperor than in the character of the Bour-
bons who preceded him. He protested therefore
against a doctrine which must lead to eternal war—
a doctrine which would be in its consequences pecu-
liarly ruinous to this nation ; for the grandeur and
power of England were factitious—the grandeur and
power of France were natural, and in along protrac-
ted struggle between the two countries, it was not
difficult to foresee which must ultimately be subdued.
' It was a doctrine, indeed, which had riot been acted
upon ; for though the last negociations for peace
_were broken, the rupture was not owing to the per-
usual character of the French Emperor, but to the
.terms and tone adopted by that Government in the
course of the discussion. He concluded by saying,
,that he must make an obstrUation in contradictu n
to vel at had fallen from the Noble Lord last night,
that the great object 4,l.33onaparte was to obtain ships,
and colonies, and commerce ; ar d that he would
never make peace until he had obtained them. If,
(said Mr. Whitbread,) this be the sole obstacle to
peace, would to GOD that Bonaparte had colonies !
would to GOD he had conuserce.l

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HOUSi OP COMMONS, JAN. 8.
A navribk was ordered for Queenborough, in the roam of
Richard Wellesley, Esq. who since his election had accepted the
?lama *mot the Lords Commissioners of his Majesty s Tres.
sury.--.A new Writ was also ordered for the Borough or Rich-
maids is toe MOM of Lord Guernsey, who had accepted, since
bie election, a Conunission in his Majesty'. regular Army. 1
'TRAMS% NAVIGATION.
Mr. Sheriff Braes pretested at the Bar a Petition from the
Lotd Mayor, Alderman, and Commons of the City of Loudon,
trir praying leave that a Bill might be brought in to continue the
of the 14th of the King, respecting the Navigation of
t River Thames. The Petition was ordered to be referred to
a Select Censznittee.
CHARITABLE DONATIONS.
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Mr. LOCKHART gave no. ice of a motion for to-morrow. for
leave tibring in a Bill to regulate the Rcgibtering of Charitable
Datiatkoas.
.11tEPOET VPON THE STATE OF THE KING'S HEALTH.

Mr. Secretary RYDLR brought up the Report of
the Queen's Council upon the State of his Majesty's
Health, which was,read by the Clerk at the Table,
and of which the following is a copy :
4 We, the under-written Members of the• Council appointed
" to angst her Majesty, in the execution of the trusts committed
" to her Niajesty by virtue of the Statute passed in the Sist
" year of his Majesty's Reign, entitulvd ' An Act to provide for
" the Administration of the Royal Authority, and fur the care
" of his Majesty's Royal Person during the continuance of his
Majesty's illness, and for the resumption of the exorcise of
" the Royal Authority by his Majesty; having duly met loge-
" Cher on this 4th day of January, ISt; at the Queen's Lodge,
" near to Windsor Castle , and having calltd before us, and exa.

" mined upon oath the Physicians and other persons attendant
•4I upon his Majesty, and having ascertained the state of his Ma- '
" jesty's Health, by all such ways and means at appeared to us
" to be necessary for that purpose ; do hereby declare and err-
" city, that the state of his Majesty's Health, at the time ti this
0 our Meeting is not such as to enable his Majesty to resume
* the personal exercise of his Royal Authority.
" 6 That his Majesty's Bodily Health appears to us to be as
0 good as at any of the periods of our former Reports.
" That his Majesty's mental Health appears to us not to be
111 manse than at the period of our last Report.
" That aft the Physicians attending his Majesty agree In nat-
. fig, that they think his Majesty's complete and final recovery
• improbable, differing, however, as to the degree of such tit-
O probability, some of them expressing themselves as not de- I
O 'pairing, others as not entirely despairing, and one of them re- I
O presenting that he cannot help despairing of such recoviry.
(Signed) "C. CANTUAR. .AsL6SfORD
66 E. Epos ES.DO N
" MONTROSR ELLLNIOROOGN
" WiNcartse.s. W. GRANT."
" Shortly after the above Report hadbeen read in the presence
" of all the Physicians, and one of the Members. of the Council
" bad left Windsor, the Physician alluded to in the last clause
I' cifthe Report stated in writing to the other Members of the
" Council, then remaining at Windsor, ' 'I bat be had unguar-
.4 daily made use of an expression which be was apprehensive
" might carry a mean* far beyond what he intended to expresi, i
" and requested to be allowed to correct ft, and assured the Coup- '
" RP, that whilst he thought the Anal recovery of his Majesty
a very Improbable, be by no means despaired of it."
" The Members of the Council to whom the above statement
0 was made, having sworn the Physician alluded to to the truth
" thereof, afterwards communicated the same to the whole
" Connell assembled this Sth clay of January, who bare deemed
• at nein to subjoin this fact to the above declaration.
(Signed) "C. CANTUAR ATLISTORD
" E. Rape ELDON
" Mous-Koss EtteNsoaciocue
" WiNceet.sea W. GRANT:'
St. itlllealt-square, Jan. 5,181 f
AU= Copy, JAN+ ts ;MAAR.
REPORT ON THE ADDRr.SB.
Lord JOCELYN then brought up the Report of
the Address.
Mr. WHITBREAD rose and observed, that he
was prevented yesterday, on account es' the extraor-
dinary turn which the debate had taken, from stating 1
his reasons why the House should not concur in the I
present Address. He fully agreed to all the exprs-
sions of affection towards his Majtsty, and to all its'
Earnest wishes for his final recovery, but not to any
other parts, except in congratulating his Royal High-
ness the Prince Regent on the enthusiastic valour dis-
played by his Majesty's troops, more especially in the
gallant affair of that distinguished officer General 1
Hilt. He approved and admired the conduct of
Lord Wellington, who had nut, during the last year,
derogated from his former high character. which
placed him on a level, not only with the greatest of',
Modern generals, but with ar.y ef the most celebrated
heroes ef ancient times. But admitting, as he did,
the valour of our armies, the exertiens ot Ministers in
sending supplies of arms, men, and money, and above
all, the sktlful dispositions of a most able General,
Still he could not, when he considered the present state
of the Peninsula, compared with its condition in the
fanner year, entertain any such hopes of final success
as were held out in the Address. %%re were told in
she Speech, by the months of the Lords Commissio-
ners, that the dangers of Spain were greatly. increased,
but that more energy bad arisen in the people ; yet
be saw that the French armies carried every thing
before then), and had military possession of Spain,
Dearly from one end to the other. The most important
fortresses had been taken; and when it was remem-
bered how Badajos, *l'arragorta, and other strong
places have fallen, tt was much to be feared that Va-
lencia will sortly share the same fate. True it was,
that every thing possible had -been done towards the
support ot the war; yet all that we had achieved was
the possedion of Portugal—and Lord Wellington
was Worse faced to retreat as soon as he had
driven Massena from the frontiers; and had acknow-
ledged that it. was impossible to succeed in making
head spina 4-se armies of the French. The_ more
thetkii*t he refleeted on the exalted merits 4 f the
Cregensle:nad on the vast resources which had been
• aglitypitin vrcixcution of the war, the lebs was he
Inclined-en hope for final success—and, therefore, he
could not consent, without farther infe,rmation, to
apsodge himself to the fall extent required by -the
speech, in the grant of farther assistance. He, w‘s:;ed
jacked, that the Right Honourable Gentleman had
aotsmuniCaltd ID the House, what were the sentiments
41 Lord Wellington krimselt respecting the war—
whether he entertained any hopes of the expulsion el
the km:ltch—then, perhaps, he (Mr. W.) aught give
his consent us this parr 4 the Addresi ; but no such
ivformation was pg . .ID them—vone •Qf the
oujoions of 140111-.. sop exhibited to
inrize
it non" iIL that the Right He-

Lord JOCELYN said, that these was not one
word in his speech last night, with reference to the
personal character of Bonaparte, which could have
warranted the Honourable Gentleman in attributing
to Was those opiaipas of eternal warfare which the


Honourable Gentleman stated hill to hate given
utterance to.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, that before he entered upOn a m .re regular reply
to the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Whitbread), he felt
himself particularly bound to notice, and to reprobate '
the concluding sentence of his speech. lf, indeed,
the Hon. Gentleman was anxious that Bonaparte and
France should possess ships, colonies, and commerce,
then it was not very difficult to understand, why he
preferred to abandon that system mirich kept those
ships, colonies, and commerce out of his gi asp.—
( Hear, hear, from the Ministerial Bencha .) —Hs ti-
pathy to the measures retaliatory on the Berlin and
Milan Decrees was on this score very easy to be ac-
counted for. If it had not been for them, Bonaparte
might have plumed himself upon the success of his
Decrees; and the Hon. Gentleman, too, would'be
able to console himself for not leaving his present sub-
ject of regret. Although he always wished to answer
the arguments of his opponents rather in train. than
to begin at the conclusion of their speeches, yet that
last sentence was so outrageously extraordinary, that,
be felt it impossible not to endeavour xt once to ex•
pose its folly, and to counteract its tendency. Follow-
lug, then, the course of the Honourable Gentleman's
observations, the first topic he had to notice, was the
gloomy picture which the Hon. Gentleman thouzlit
proper to draw of the state of affairs in Spain and
Portugal, and the character tillich he gale of the
war, uarkeued by all his expressions of despair, and
shorn of hope by all his prophecies of evil. When
the Hon. Gentleman indulged himself in this his fa-
vourite strain, it would have been a little fair for the
Hon. Gentleman to look back to his declamations at
the beginning of last Session—to recollect how he
then described the state of affairs on the Peninsula ;
to travel back to his predictions and prophecies, and
to see whether those predictions and prophecies had
been fulfilled. If the Hon. Gentleman had done so,
be would have been able to appreciate the contrast
between the state of affairs then and now ; he would
have been able to discover, that all his auguries were
falsified ; and he would have found reason to believe
that all his speculations of disaster had been, abortive.
But no ; the Honourable Gentleman did not like
these recollections ; his prophecies were quite a plea-
santer thing; and again Has he at his occupation,
prepared to foretel and prophecy all he had said be-
fore—

that be military possession where even a convoy can.
not be sent across the country without almost an arms
to escort it, then the French had such possession. Thu
' which their armies locally occupied; but to supple
possession which the French had of Spain was that
Pithat in a country where armies rise in the rear after
their compatriots are defeated in the front—wheok
so far from their spirits being broken by increase Le
difficulty, they seem to be rather invigorated by do
feat,--to suppose that in such a country, military
possession is tai-en by the enemy, appeared to him
most absurd. History furnished many instances re!
brave defences of cities and towns against an invaahlip
enemy; but it was the peculiar ment of t'ae Spaniard;
in the great contest in which they were engaged, to
have gathered new resources horn disasters—no.
spirit from defeat,—new vigour from overthrow....
It was not so much the resistance as the :nano 4
the resistance to tyranny, which would consign the '
character of the Spaniards to the glorious applause
of posterity ; and it was this manner, also, .44
when considered in all the wonders it had product*
' was even a source of sanguine hope to him of a far.
Imitate result to the strugle in which the nations of
the Peninsula were engaged. Looking, tlicretere, it
the kind of military possession which the rreech 114
of Spain, and seeing the quiet and sttdfast poem."
which the English had ot Portugal, he did net bal.,
tate to say, that the affairs of the French were de.
riorated, while those of the allied nations wens
proved ; that there were fainter hopes for F
and greater hopes for Spain, than there were a year
ago. The Hon. Gentleman had asked, what We..
troops and the waste ot our resources achieved I iii
would answer, that they had at least 'hewn, that the
views of the Hon. Gentleman were mistaken ; and
that they contributed to prevent tlaet consummation
of power to France, which the Honourable Geary
man anticipated as certain. The next questioa *11.4
the Honourable Gentleman put, was, whether Lord
Wellington himself approved of the plans by which
the war was carried on ? Did the Honourable Ges.
tleman suppose, that, even allowing the views d
Lord Wellington to be ever so desponding, it would
be wise or just to disclose them ? There s as limbic,
which a military commander could so mach sispb,
cote as the disclosure of his opinions or his views.—
The Hon. Gentleman's next wish was fur informatics
with respect to the connection between the mother.
, country and the Spanish Colonies : and also with ns
" Destroy the web. and prophecy in vain ; 1, spect to the intentions of the Prince Regent's mid,
The creature's at his dirty work again !" 1 sters towards both. He had only to state, that tb
(Loud tries of hear, hear, from the Ministerial Beaches.) ' English Government wished for measures ut concise
But it did net astonish him, nor ought it now to as-
Lion, and to act as a mediator between the colonies sod
tonish the House, that the Hon. Gentleman should
Spain. As to the delay of Sir R. Wilson and Mr. Lie
sit down once more to his gloomy work, when they ton from going out on their respective stations, cartais
had it from himself, that it was all done in expects- circumstances had occurred which had hitherto pro
tion of the irresistable power of France. Happy, vented the carrying of those missions into etfect.—
however, was he that the expectations of the Gover- Another point insisted on by the Hon. Grutlerma
ment of France, and of the Hon. Gentleman, were was, what he called the exhausted state ot our nett.
disappointed ; and when the Hon. Gentleman SAW tary force. The Honourable Gentleman asked low
daily proofs of this, it would not, indeed, have been ,we were to replace the waste of our resources?. It
too much to expect some modesty from him in dis. was sufficient and satisfactory for him to state, in as.
trusting his opinions. The French Government had ewer to this question, that, notwithstanding all on
made many boasts, but were they verified ? Among waste of meat,c
our military force was runger by
others, were we yet driven from Spain and Portugal 10,000 mtn than it was at this time last year. Ass►
into the sea ? Oh no • but the new reading now is, thee topic, and one which he confessed to be at tb
that we are to be destroyed atter our resources shall , greatest importance, obseeeed upon by the H0n04"..,
have been exhausted, and when the Spanish nation able Gentleman, was the state of our relations with
shall have been completely subdued. First we were America. He loped that the House would be.ial,
to have been the earlier victims, but now we are to , dulgent enough, if they saw at present an indis
be left for the last. Would any man in his senses .on the part of Ministers to go into any discussa
listen to trash like this ? Would any man believe, ' that point, not to attribute that indisposition to e
that if it was in the power of the French Emperor to ability to meet any such discussion, nor to any eases
crush us, that he would not have done so? Could hension that this country would suffer in her Lower
those, in particular, who were in the habit of conti- or her interests by whatever might be disclosed woe
nually admiring the power of France—no doubt with it. The true policy for this country to adopt towards
the expectation that it might become irresistible-v. America, and the policy which had wen adhered a
could they be of opinion that France would not long by the Ministers of the Crown, was to stave off that
since have broken us down, if it had been in her -catastrophe—the catastrophe Of war—which it vas
poWer ? He was confident that France had done her the interest of both nations to avoid. 'I be conduct
utmost, but she met a resistance upon which she did ,ot the Government to America ought to be =
not calculate : a resistance which was effectual to her rate and moderate, but, at the same time, di
disappointment, to her vexation, and to her disgrace. , and consistent; but.oothing could impede its ONO
His argument was, that as Bonaparte had not con- and progress more than, during the pending nese&
quered us, be could not. He did not beat us, because 1 ! Lions, to be thus putting it upon its defence—to be
he was not able—because be had not resources corn- . thus patting the country upon its trial. If the coo
potent to such a purpose. He did not mean to speak : duct of America was really that of a fair impartial
presumptuously. He would not, in indulging any' neutrality, as the Honourable Gentleman contended.
presumptuous view, imitate the example of the French he would rather give the Honourable Gentleman
themselves ; for he was, on the contrary, anxious to credit for his opinion, than run the risk of endanger.
Board against over-rating our own resources; but, . ing the success of the pending discussions, by any
judging by fair analogy—drawing our conclusions declaration to the contrary. A war between this
horn the past to the future, had we not a right to country and America would be productive of en!
say that we could not be conquered—that the nations to both; although, in his opinion, not of so midi
of the Peninsula could not be subdued ? Had we evil to England as to America. So far from coos}
not a right to say, that as long as a British arm re-', during the interests of both countrieseo be in any or
mained in the Peninsula, in counteraction of the de- position to one another, he would always consider the
signs of Bonaparte, a resistance would be opposed to wealth of America as accessory to the riches, sad
him which he could not overcome; a resistance, which her prosperity as accessory to the greatness of For
was the more galling, as it was a standing shame to land. He would, indeed, be sorry to see America
his designs, and a standing contrast to his cause—to crushed, impoverished, or destroyed. (Here Mir.
the basest spectacle of tyranny, and fraud, and op- Whitbread repeated the word 44 destroyed.") TIN
pression, that ever was exhibited to, or disgraced the Ht.n. Gentleman might repeat his words, but dm*
world,. If Bonaparte was so view our resistance.en be did 'not use the word destroyed in the sensed $
this light, and it was impossible that he should not, if physical annihilation, yet he contended that a est
he conceived that puttinglis nation into this shame- with England would prove de:tractive to Americsee
ful contrast with the British empire were material to destructive to her wealth, her strength, her roe
his character and ambition—was it not natural to 'city, and her progressive civilization. The HOMO
suppose that he would have endeavoured to keep it able Gentleman reviled the phrase of a, coned'
out of she contemplation of the people of Spain and disposition," which the Regent's Speech attri '
ibg
Portugal, and instead of protracting such a contrast, le the English Government in its transactions
put an end to it at once by our destruction ? With America. For his part, he was candid enough 0
this view of things, had he (the Chancellor ot the confess. that he would bear with more from it
Exchequer) not reason to look on the contest,notonty rice than from any other foreign country with whys
cheerfully and sanguinely, but even to hope, that in England could have any relations. His opinion 0
this very stage of his crimes and tyranny, Bonaparte this point might be trronaltis • but he was confided
might find the grave of his ambition ? But, indeed, that be possessed towards America the fullest spa
this new system, imputed by the Hon. Gentleman to ;of conciliation. The Honourable Gentleman boiler
the French Emperor, appeared to be rather a jocose ! remarked, that we should have believed in the Mak
affair entirely, than any serious attribution of such a i cation of the Berlin and Milan decrees, because Arno
plan to such a person. It was just as much as to 1 rice said that they were repealed. Our charge agaisi
say, that Spain and Portugal were to be devoured i America was, that she had been too acquiescent and
first, and that we were good naturedly reserved as a I toe partial to France—too partial to bar opines:A
donne bets:Ate for his Majesty (a loath). The Right I and too acquiescent in her docrees. So mucti didbo
Honourable Gentleman thee adverted to an obsei va- ' darer from the Americans on this point. that he com
tion of Mr. Whitbread's, in which that Hon. Gentle-1 sidereal the very notice ot revocation itself the e
man ridiculed that passage of the Prince Regent's strongest testirnony that they were not revoked.
Speech, where it boasts ot the more connected a fferts what the Honourable Gentleman called rev •
which the Spaniards were now making, and in which 1 ke saw the clearest evidence of re-enactment.
that Honourable Gentleman had suited that the proof of thesexistence of the spirit in which those
French were in military possession of the country.—. trees originated. He even conceived that he ow
It he (the Chancellor of die Exchequer) were corn- that revocation a determined intentitm of abiding
petent to form any idea of whet military possession theui to the last extremity. If this revocation
WAS he could by no means understand bow the As sincere as it has been said to be--if it indeed
French could be eitid to .be is such possessicg, If ted'et all, why did not America traduce the, •
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anent itself ? *by n give distinctly, Is she hat
ether State papers ? But the fact was, that Fratice only
gave a notification, and that too a conditional one, de-
pendent upon two alternatives. The Honi Gentleman
totally abstracted the tonditionality of the instrument
from its consideration ; but he (the Chancellor) could
nee—What were these conditions ? That Great Bri-
tain should revoke her Orders in Council, and aban-
don what is called her new system of blockade, or
that America should cause the independence of her
flag to be respected: that is, that Great Britain should
abandon that system which was founded en the law
of nations, and her own immemorial practicee—be-
cause Great Biitain adopted no new system of block-
ade, but adhered to her old principles—to those prin-
ciples and maritime rights, which were the productive
causes of her greatness, and without adhering to and
asserting which she could no longer exist as an inde-
pendent nation. New words had been invented ;
ately we had heard of denationalizing ships, which
slant, suffering them to be visited by us upon the
ocean: but if Great Britain is to be hindered from
visiting and searching American ships on the high
seas according to her recognised and legitimate rights, {1
then indeed should we cease to be the nation that we
have been. As to the observation of the Honourable
Gentleman, on the omission if any mention at present
of the affairs of the East India Company, that subject
be considered as most improper to be now introduc-
ed, and any mention of it most ill-timed. When it
would regularly and according to parliamentary
usage come before the House, then it would be coat-'
petent for the Hon. Gentleman to favour the House
with his opinions on the important concerns of that
Company. As to the very heated remarks of the
Hon. Gentleman, on his Noble Fliend's speech last
night, with respect to the personal character of Bo-
neparte, he was glad ihat the Hon. Gentleman was
set right by his Noble Friend, before he had the ho-
liner of rising to address the House. His own opinion
as to the propriety of identhyieg the personal cha-
racter a a ruler, with that of the nation which he
governed, was, that a peop e uld not suffer for the;
crimes of any tyrant, inasniudi as the guia of such
a person ought not to be considered as an obstacle to
iations of peace.
WHITBREAD I do not rise, Sir, to ex-
plain, but to demand of the Right Hen. Gentleman
to explain,"if he meant any personal allusion in some
words that fell from him that appeared to me to be
of no very delicate description, and therefore I do
now ask of that Right Hon. Gentleman if he did in-
tend any such allusion ?"
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER-
• 1 could have meant none. The lines are Pope's.
the metaphor is that of a spider spinning a new web
after one has been destroyed. I thought it applicable
to the pertinacious manner in which the Honourable
Gentleman appeared to me to have been reviving his
prophecies over again ; but I do assure him, that I
would not have so applied it, could I have imagined
that he would have so construed it—and that were I
even indifferent to his disapprobation, which- I am
not, I could not be so indifferent to my owneas to de.
scend to the grossness of any such personal allusion."
(Near, hear, hear!)
Mn WHITBREAD—" I •am perfectly satisfied
*kb the explanation given by the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman—and I am sure that had the same words been-
so applied to him, be would have felt it necessary to '
call for an explanation."
General TARLETON spoke at some length
against the address. He chiefly relied on the effect
which the war would ultimately have on our resources.
Already it had cost us 60,000 men, and 18 millions
of money.
Mr. CREEVEY could not ague to pledge himself
to vote whatever sums Ministers should think proper
to demand for the war in the Peninsula, without first
asking the Minister, what were the financial means
of the country in the present year ; and whether our
revenue enables us to continue the same scale of ex-
pellees on which we proceeded in the last year ? He
believed, that in the comparison of the produce of the
revenue in the last year with that of 1810, it would
be found, that there was last year a deficiency of three
millions and an half in the receipt of the taxes, while
there had been additional charge On the consolidated
fund, amounting to a million and 'an half, making a
total of five millions, in which the revenue of this year
would fall short of that of the last year. How was
this deficiency to be supplied ? Was the Right Hon.
Gentleman prepared to propose new taxes to that
amount ; or would the stockholders agree to their
security being diminished by fresh expences and
charges being thrown on the consolidated fund ?
Would the stockholders now agree to the sinking fund
being touched, to shake up this deficiency of revenue;
or in %hat manner did the Right Hon. Gentleman
propose to do it ? He, therefore, should move, that
the Report of the Address should be brought up this
day week, instead of this day, in orecr that the pa-
llets relating to the receipt of the revenue for the last
Year might be before the House, before he could
Pledge himself to a similar scale of expenditure. The
Ministerial newspapers had endeavoured to produce
an impression on the public mind, by publishing a
statement of the receipts of the last quarter, as eom-
I Pared with those of the last quarter of the year 1810. ,
'1 'lt appeared to him, that the public should, as soon as
possible, be put in possession of the real state of the
, and that this was more important at a time
when almost every:branch -of trade had failed ; and
*hen the trade to our East India possessions was so
regulated, as to be open to the Americans, and to al-
ton every body in the world, except an Englishman.
He concluded by moving as an Amendment, that
instead of the word " now," the words " this day
tennight," should be inserted.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER;
kssured the Honourable Gentleman, that his view of
the great deficiency if the revenue was an unfounded
enei It was true that the amount ofehe revenue last
Year was not equal tb that of the year 1810, but the
revenue of that year had been most remarkably
flu •wishi•
ng, and the product so extraordinary, that
.was conceived a .proper subject of congratulation
tube mentioned in the speech ; but although the re-
venue of the year 1811 was not equal to that of the
Year 1810, it was however greater than that of the
Year preceding it. It was true, that in the published
statements to which the Honourable Gentleman allu-
'led, the comparison was only between the last quer-
krs of the years 1810 and 1811, in which there ape
Peered a considerable increase in the last quarter. He
Utast alio allow that the products a the revenue for

the remaining three quartets *erd inferiot to lose of
the year 1810 ; but at the same time he must point
out to the 4ttentitin of the House, that in the last guar-
ter,although it was stated that our trade had entirely
failed, the amount of the duty from customs conside-
rably exceeded that of.
of corresponding quarter in the
year 1810. From this circumstance, he thought the
House might well indulge the hope, that our trade was
not at present in that declining situation in which it
appeared to some Gentlemen. As to the Excise, which
is much the most productive source of our revenue,
the receipts of the duties on this account were greater
than even in the year 1810. He would admit,
however, that, upon the whole, the amount of the
revenue of last year fell short by about two millions
of the produce of the very favourable year of 1810.
As to the security of the public creditors, it was very
well known that the quarter ending in January was
the heaviest quarter in the year, and yet in this quar.
ter there was a surplus of more than 4400,000. The
reason why the quarter ending in January was always
a heavy one, was, that the taxes imposed, perhaps
late in a Session, were not by that time received into
the Treasury. In the last year there had been a de.
Ifalcation in the amount of the duties on spirits.: an
additional sum of £700,000 had been expected from
the distillation from grain; but it appeared that the
distillation from sugar had been sufficient to supply
the entire demand of the summer.

I -
Mr. VYSE shortly explained upon a point in which
he conceived himself to be misrepresented, by an
Hon. General (General Tarleton). He had not, in
seconding the Address yesterday, said, that Spain was
now in equal security with Portugal ; but he had said
that it was equally unconquered. _ _

Mr. WHI'T'BREAD Was not satisfied with the
answer which had been given to his Hon. Friend by
the Chancellor of the Exchequer. If the income of
the country were increasing, so were the expellees ;
but if it should appear, that while the expences are
increasing .very year, the income was not only not
increasing, but was positively falling off, the Right
Honourable Gentleman must be, indeed, a very bad
financier, if he did not think it high time to look
about him, and see from what source this growing ex-
penditure was to be supplied. It appeared to him,
that the amount of the duty on customs was a much
fairer standard to judge. of the state of our trade by,
than the excise. Did the Right Honourable Gen-
tleman suppose, that if our trade, and consequently
our customs, should decline, the excise would not de-
cline also? He wished that the Right Honourable
G:intleman would say whether he imagined that the
revenue could either continue at or arrive to the pros-
perous state in which it was in the year 1810. If
this was not to be expected, he did not know that he
could agree to the same expenditure for carrying on
the war in the Peninsula in the same manner in which
it had hitherto been conducted. As to the mention
of the flourishing state of the revenue last year in the
speech at the opening of the Session, he believed that
it had been a common practice for many former years
to allude in the speech to our financial prosperity.
Colonel HUTCHINSON, notwithstanding the
thinness of the House, could not allow himself to
give a silent vote on the present occcasion. He ca-
-1 vainly dissented most completely from the sentiments
contained in the Address, believing, as he did, that
the circumstances of the times called for laftgaa:
from the House very different from that of adulation.
When the address of last year was moved, he had
thought fit to express his conviction that it was then
the duty of the House to speak out their sentiments, (
1-and apprise the Prince Regent of the awful circurn-
stances under which he assumed the Government ; 4
that during the preceding reign a great part of the
empire had been for ever lost, and the safety of the
remaining parts endangered, and that he could neither
with honour to himself n-r safety to the country,
adopt the plans which had been already pursued with
such ruinous and mischievous effects. Every thing
which had taken place since that period served to
confirm him in the opinion that such was the lan-
guage with which they ought to approach the Prince
I Regent, and he therefore wi,lied to enter 11;s decided
protest on this occasion against the principles and
proceedings of the present Ministers. With respect
to the proposed Address, it stated little, and that little
incorrectly, and it kept back and concealed that which
was most important. It was not true that our armies
had effectually defended Portugal. He certainly did
not wish to reflect on the conduct of the General is
whom the command of the army in Portugal was
i entrusted, nor on the conduct of the troops ; for he
believed that every thing had been doneby them which
1 .
it was possible for them to do under the circumstan-
ces in which they had heen placed. But he would
ask, if they really meant to state to the country and
to Europe, that the English army had effectually se-
cured the defence of Portugal ? That army was al-
lowed to remain in Portugal, not because it could not
he driven from it, but because it had never yet been
ilthe policy or interest of the Emperor of the French to
carry on the attack in that quarter. The Right Ho-
nOuralile Gentleman opposite had said, that he had
aff Tcled an addition of 10,000 men to the forces in the
Peninsula during the last year ; but could any man
`believe that this supply was in any wise effectual for
the successful prosecution of the war? Such exertions
as had hitherto been made were certainly most inade-
quate
for the defence of Portugal, and we must soon
be under the necessity of withdrawing our forces from
that country, if the Commander is nut furnished with
better means for defence. It was a fact which it was im-
possible to conceal or disguise, that the enemy had hi-
therto attempted nothing In which he had not com pletel y
succeeded. He would again rgreat here, that he had
not the smallest wish to reflect on the conduct of Lord
Wellington or his troops. With regard to Spain, it
was certainly most undeniably true, notwithstanding
all that had that night been urged on the subject by
the Right Hon. Gentleman, that the enemy were in
reality in the military possession of Spain. Was it be-
coming then in the House to state in their Address to
the Regent,that the affairs of Spain wear a better aspect
than they did on the former year,er to tell him that the
situation of Spain was in any way improved by our de-
fence of Portugal? The situation of Spain was indeed
now in a very different situation from what it had been
in the former year. Sincethat time fortresses and armies
had been last; and though many opportunities occur-
red when assistance on our part could have been given
atvarious points, where it would have been effec tual,no
such assistance was ever given, and the opportunities
were uniformly allowed to pass by unimproved.' But
, what were the opinions of the Spaniards themselves, .

'who certainly *ere the hest judges of the assistusee
derived by them from the British arms ? Tlivy have
told us that the defence of Portugal is not the defence
of Spain ; and that that was the Spanish feeling on
the subject, was evident from every thing that had
come to our knowledge. With regard to Ameticai
he rejoiced to see that at last these was sortie pros.:
pect opening of an accommodation with that cum-
try. Still, however, the 'question recurred—had Mi.; I
flusters done every thing to conciliate that country
or had they not rather done every thing which it was'
possible for them to do, to provoke and exasperate the
Americans ? And with regard to that subject, it
was certainly most becoming for them to express the
feelings which such a system of misconchict ought to
excite, to the Prince Regent. He would now proceed
to consider what had been said with respect to the state
and condition of Ireland—and after what had been.
done to provoke and exasperate the people of Ireland,
he conceived that he should be disgraced in the opi-
nion of every thinking man,'connected as he was with
that country, if he did not caress his strong disappro-
bation of that part of the Address. Afterthe measures
which had been adopted, calculated only to disaffect
and alienate the affections of the Irish people, it was
indeed rather astonishing that any such word as satis-
faction should come to be employed in reference to
the situation of Ireland. By these measures, how.
ever, they have sufficiently proved that the Irish are
united against them. They had hitherto been most
disgracefully managed by their own disunion and dis-
agreement ; but the policy of Ministers had at length
shewn to Britain, that Irishmen of every description.
were united in holding it in detestation. So far, there-
fore, were they from having succeeded iu their plans
respecting Ireland, that there was not one part
of Ireland, he believed, which had not expressed its
strong disapprobation, and that was not beginning
to perceive that a union of all could alone protect
them from the grasp of an insatiable enemy, from the
oppression and tyranny of false and wicked Ministers.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
explained, that he had been misunderstood in the
expression he had employed, that the British army in
Portugal was stronger at this time by 10,000 men
than it was at the same period last year. He did not
intend to be understood, that reinforcements to the
extent of 10,000 men only, had been sent out, but
that on a calculation of the whole force, the augmen-
tation was to that amount.

The question was then put on Mr. Creevey's Mo-
tion, and negatived. The Report was brought up,
read a first ;And second time, and ag;eed to. It w,s
ordered that it be presented to the Prince Regent by
such Members as were of the Privy Cuuncil.
Mr. CREEVEY inquired, whether there WAS any objection to
the accounts be ha•l intimated his intention pf moving tor, being
kid before the House before the usual period ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that
the postponement might be more convenient, as the delay would
only be for a few weeks, and the Accounts might not )et be pre-
pared.

On the motion of the Cnattcattoa of the Baca/10ra, it was
ordered that the Speech of the Lords Commissioners be taken
into consideration to-morrow (this day.)
The House went into a Committee on the Act relating to the
clearances of ship. la,ien with coal or cols, and the Report hav-
ing been brought up, it was ordered that a Bill be introduced to
repeal the same. _ _

Mr. GRANT, from the Commissioners of Military Inquiry,
presented the 16th and i 7th Reports.
• l'he Annual Gnat Committees appohned at-the ismsmettee-
naent of every Sesslot•, were nominated.—Adjourned.

THE EVENING STAR.

LONDON.
THURSDAY, JANUARY 9.
Ivut'E OF STOCKS THI'l DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK
3 per Ct. Cons. lot money 620 ex. div.—Ditto for ace. 64}
per Cent. Reduced 631--Navy S per Cent. 941 ex. div.
4 per Cent. 78H—Bonds 17s. 18s. pre.—Onunuut ti dis.
Exch. Bills (3d.) 1:a. Ss. pre.—Ditto (std.) 9s. 6s. pre.
The warrants for the quarterly dividends have been received
by the Bankers, and the payments commenced yesterday.

A letter from Oporto, dated December 18, which
arrived in town this morning, states, that all were
quiet with the allied armies. We are glad to hear
that large quantities of muskets, cloathing, and stores
have been sent from Corunna for the use of the Gal-
lician army, which we knew to be in great distress.
The following is the latest intelligence from Monte
Video:
4, MONTEVIDEO, AUGUST IL
gg Rondean, General of the rebel army, besieging
this place, yesterday sent with a flag of truce the In-
tendant of his army Don J. A. Calzenas, who was
received without the city by our Governor.
gg The object of his mission was to inspire us with
suspicions for our worthy allies, the Portuguese, whom
this emissary of the enemy represented as men corn.
ing as auxiliaries, who would themselves wish to be
our masters. He added great falsehoods respecting,
the Peninsula, assuring us that if it was not already
subjugated it soon would be so, which so roused the
Governor that he put an end to so useless a con.
L ference."

A bag of letters was this morning received at the
Pcst-Office, from Gibraltar and Malta, by which we
have obtained some important intelligence. The
yellow fever had lateiy made its appearance in the
town Jr f Alicant ; but, from the precautions adopted,
its ravages were expected to be of short durafon. At
Gibraltar, the alarm of the contag!on had so far
ceased, that the quarantine had been taken off from
vessels coming from Cadiz, or the west of Cadiz.—
The quarantine was continued, however, on all yes-
sets coming from the eastward of Gibraltar.

We have received Spanish Papers, one of wl:ich
coiitains the following ari, lc :
YELVAS, DZCEMBER IS.

" We learn that the French are collecting lArge
bodies near the bridges of the Tagus, but they seem
At a loss how to shun the impending dangers. It is
said their main force will take a position near Ciudad
Rodrigo, for the purpose of observing the movements
of Lord Wellington. A corps of 1000 fine militia
colliers have marched bone for Notqle.':

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