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Nome Lord, bemuse it was a direct departure front general
principles. No good corn would be warehoused under this
measure.
Mr. CRIPPS, being a large agriculturist, bad taken pains to
obtain the opinions of agriculfutiets; and he found none of than
expecting any good from the measures of Parliament. Damaged
corn, dried and warehoused; would suffer an incalculable loss
from the operation.. He thought no relief could be found but in
a protecting duty.
. Sir E. KN ATCHBULL had found agriculturists, who were
convinced that this measure would be productive of much good.
lie asked what state the agriculturists would be in if they were
to be thrown overboard by a Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. Huse
kinon) opposing the measure of the Noble Lord, his calkers.?
Mr. WODEHOUSE expressed his determination not to leave
the Noble Marquis in the lurch—(A laugh)—but to give him his
support on this occasion. He had supported the measure in the
Committee, not on general principles, but as fitting in the sin-
gular exigency in which ere were placed. lie could not bat
agree with the Hon. Baronet (Sir E. KnatchbuU) in expressing
his astonishment at the course adopted by the Right -Hon. Gen-
tfeman (Mr. Huskisson). He seemed to think the measure
would fall heavily on the small farmer; but, in fact, the small
fanners were those who had experienced the least of the pressure.
Mr. BANKES did nut object to this measure on account of
its deviation from -strict principle. Every Government, be
thought, ought to have that tower of force within itself as to be
abk to accommodate principle to the public good. No interest
in this or any other country could have a greater claim to the
aid of a Government than that which was Buffeting. The ware-
housing of corn would prevent an excess of price. He did not
mean to say that the proposition bad his entire approbation.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY rose to explain. He
was desirous of not being misunderstood, and he chose that par-
ticular moment in the discussion, after be bad heard the send-
n.ents of his valuable Colleagues. With regard to what had
fallen from the Noble Lord behind him (Lord Cranborne), he
begged to remind him that if he did not vote for his 'own mea-
sere, he would not leave him (the Marquis of Londonderry)
in the lurch, but hirnself-qtlear, bear, and a laugh)—With
all .deference to his good judgment, be could not propose
in the House what he would nut vote for in the Committee.
At all events, let the saddle be placed on the right bone--(A
laugh). The proposition had been supported in a very tame
manner, and it he did not receive some more actual support—lf
none of the pareutal feelings of a fathet for his offspring were
shown from the Hon. Member for &amber (Mr. Irving) who
originated it—he certainly should not press it upon the House,
lfsving done his duty in making the proposition. 'use question,
had noteing to do with good or bad harvests, which had been
mixed up with it. It was about the markets, anderaenet alketed
by the nature of the supply. Good or bad the corn emu* be
consumed according to the principles of nature, and not of any
abstract notions. MI the purchases were to be made after the
price was etee and it was evident it would tend to mitigate the.
rapidly rising' prices. He did not consider the measure would
be inoperative in the present state of the markets, but be avowed
that lie did not thick that much benefit was to be anticipated
from it. Once more he begged to ay, that if the remaining
?Members of the Committee did not raise their voices to convince
the House of the wisdom of their plan, he gave notice that he
would not divide the House upon it—(llear, hear).
Mr. IRVING said, that the reluctance and diffidence be al-
ways felt in addressing that I louse was his reason for not having.
Picture presented himself to the Committee, and offered such rea-
ions as he had given for this measure in the Committee above
stairs. lie still condoned to think the measure proper, and cal-
culated to be useful, notwithstanding that it had been treated as
:absurd, and ridiculed so severely, by his Hon. and Learned
Friend ( Mr. Ltougham) now in his eye. lie should be glad if
his Hon. and Learned Friend had attended the Committee, and'
there given his assistance in adopting or rejecting measures. His
Hon. and Learned Friend was a Member as well as he. Ile
(Mr. Irving) had had as many and as pressing avocations as the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman. The lion. and Learned Gentle-
man never attended :he (Mr. Irving) did. He was constantly
there. The lion. and Learned Gentleman professed himself
anxious for relief to the agriculturists. Ile (Mr. Irving) shewed
his anxiety by all the attention which, with his humble abilities,
he could give the subject. Ile had not proposed this measure in
ignorance of the just and true principles of political economy. It
w 1.• some of many expedients,and he thought the least e xceptiottab*c.
—lle was not litcte responsible fur it than the Committee. It
was the ries.ure of the Committee, not his. With respect to the
coq.ction that the Government 'would be losers, he had to re-
reark, that it Lad bze.n part of his plan that the corn should be
aod Le of a certain weight; so that Government could
Loc lose.by the quality of the stain. The more he examined the
asure, the more he was satisfied with it.. No corn would be
teteivro bet what was marketable. Another circumstance had
beet: icft uut of view. The circulation had not been adequate to
the usual transactions of the country. This measure was adopted
with a view of supplying this deficiency. It would restore the
market for a time to wilt it ought to be, and it might reason-
ably be expected that the market would continue so when there
would be no particular pressure. These were the grounds on
which be bad supported this measure. Not•vi.hstanding all he
had !scud, the opinion which he had entertained he still enter-
tained. lk was confident It would afford relief, and that it
c..uhl be carried into effect without injuring the prospects of
future amelioration. Where three was a prospect of advantage
without the possibility of disadvantage-, it was the duty of the
House to give it effect.
Mr. T. WILSON thought, that advancing money to assist
in raising the price of corn, would have the effect of encou-
raging time culture of corn, and thus be highly serviceable in
giving employment to the lower class of the agriculturists. It
appeared to him that the sacrifice was so small, the advantage
so great, that he thought in the midst of the calls made upon
theta by the agriculturists, they ought not to hesitate to adopt it.
The consequence of not taking some such steps would be to
throw lands out of cultivation.
Mr. DROUGII A 'el regretted extremely that he should by
his conduct with reference to this Committee have laid himself
open to the pathetic animadversions of the Honourable Member
fur Bramber (Mr. Irving). He certainly ought, from the so-
lemn calls of friendship, to have been present at the bringing
fonb of the Honourable Member's project, and possibly he
might, had he not been in four degrees of North latitude distant,
at the time that he and the Coalmine were brooding over it.—
lie was against sending such subjects as this to a Committee up
stairs, even if they were to examine the question with that vigour
said unity which was so completely the reverse of their practice.
But, in his view, it was to Government they ought to look for
relief in the circumstances of the country; and the Government
that knew not bow to afford relief was unfit for its dety. He
was most ready to give agricultural relief, but he couldnut think
that the proposed experiment would succeed. A precedent, it
was'nue, was afforded in the case of the manufacturer, but no
deposit was then asked. It could only. have the effect of raising
or keeping up the price; but that would be of no service to those
who were in distress, as they had no produce to go to market
with. The only advantage of the measure would be to advance
money to the farmer at three per cent, instead of four, and thus
save bins one per cent. Ile therefore, with all inclination to give
the farmers even the semblance of relief, must say, that be
thought this measure inconvenient and inefficacious,- and num
disagree with many of his friends on the subject, with whom he
was in the habit of concurring.
Mr. HUSKISSON explained. The Hon. Members for
Norfolk and Kent had been so kind as to read him a lecture, to
which, with all deference, he was not .disposed to attend, and be.
would tell them why. In consequence of some observations
which had been made relative to the motives of his (Mr. Husk's.'
son's) attendance on the Committee, be had been induced, out of
consideration to his character, to abstain from attending it. The
Committee in his absence then brought forward a measure which
was inconsistent with his known sentiments on the subject, and
nailed upon him to support that measure. He begged leave to
say that he would do no such thing. If he held his situation or
his seat in that House upon any such tenure as that of following
their recommendations, the sooner he gave them up the better.
'the Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, that after what
bad passed in the discussion, and as those with whom the Re-
solution originated had not supported it, he felt it his duty to
move, that the Resolution should be withdrawn—(Hear, bear).
The Resolution was accordingly withdrawn.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY observed, that it would
be neceteary for hint to nuke a statement, explaining the ergo.
connected with the second Resolution, before the Com.
entered into the question ; and as the time was now se
thought it would be better to postpone the discussion to

3ItOUGHAM wished to know whether it was the
rd's intention that the second Resolution should follow
,t the first ?—( A laugh).
Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, that the debate
better after his segemens, and suggested, dal the .

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