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PARLIA MEN l'A II Y PROCEEDINGS.

HOUSE OF LORDS, JUNE 14.
This morning the LIM!, CHANCELLOR sat for Appeals at ten.
" Sutton v. Darlington," " Dickson r. Graham, ' and " Cathcart
Elliott,"v. were disposed of for Wednesday.
Soon after eleven o'cicrck the Lona CHANCELLOR retired, but re-
turned at twelie.
" Connelly v. DP Derntot" was then adverted to, and a minute of
Judgment was delivered.
" Banks v. Ilolme," from the Court of Session, in Scotland, was
affirmed by the Douse.
Minute of judgment was delivered in upon " Short v. Firnan,"
and the further considerattrin was named for Thursday.
At four o'clock the Douse adjourned during pleasure, and at half
after four the Lona CHANCELLOR returned to his scat.
Upon the motion of the Earl Of SHAFTESSURY, the Canterbury
Waterworks Ihll, the Dublin Gas Light Bill, the Cocoa Nuts Bill,
the East India Goods Bill, the Scut i:.nd Local Stipends B:11, the
Irish Tithes Composition Bill, the Vagrant Act Amendment 13111,
and some other Bills, wort read a third time, passed, and sent to
the Commons. _ _ .

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Mr. BaoGnsas and others, from the other House, brought up the
East Imlia Trade Bill and several other which were after-
wards read a first time.

The Das of ATIIOL presented a Petition from the lieritors,'
Commissioners of Supply, Landholders, and others, of the CoUtity
of Perth, against the new Scotland Judicature Bill.
The Duke of GRAFTON' presented a Petition front the Bo-
rough of Thetford, in Norfolk, against the removal of the Assizes
from that place to Norwich ; it bring six centuries :ince the Assizes
bad been first hoiden at the former place.
The Earl of DERBY presented a Petition from the Justices of
the Peace assembled in the town of Liverpool, against the passing
%)f the Masters and Workmen BM.

The Mike of RUTLAND presented a Petition from the Pawn.
Lrokers of Leicester, against the Equitable Loan Bank Bill.
Viscount MELVILLE presented a Petition from the Society
of tha Writers to the Signet at Edinburgh, against the Scotland
Judicature 13111.

Viscount TORRINGTON presented a Petition from the
Weavers of Spitalfields and Bethnal green, signed by upwards of
fogl., in favour of the Equitable Loan Bank Bill.
The Duke of LEI NSTER presented a Petition from Ireland, in
favour of the extension Of the Lanark System, which he moved
should be tatrred to the Committee on the Affairs of Ireland.
Viscount TOURING.rox seconded the motion.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE said, that 31,1:r what had already
been urged on this subject, and .after the Newspapers had been
Vied with it, their Lordships ouAte. in his opinion t.. treat it with
contempt. It the rnottat w 6; iirshisted in by the Noble :Mover he
should certaiely glee his negative to it.
The five Re soiled Peerages Bills (Stafford, Perth, Mar, Nairne,
and Kenmore), were read a third time, passed, and sent to the
other I louse.
Viscuuht MELVILLE took this occasion to advert to the eliffi-
cuitlos which were opposed to Naturalisation, as exemplified in the
present case of the restored Earl of 3lar, respectieg Scctland, and
gave notice that he should endeavour to call the attention of Noble
Loads to this subject iti the next Session of Parliament.
The Ireland Miniug Company's Bills were read a third time,
rased, and 5:01 to the other House.
The Earl of EN N 1 SKI LLEN presented a Petition from certain
Members of the ancient and honourable Lodges of Freemasons, in
Ireland, pr :ling to be exempted from the operation of the Sectet
Societies Seppiession Act.
A Petition was presented from the Pawnbrokers of Hereford,
against the Eq liable Lout Bat& Bill.
The Earl i.t LA U DELI DALE (on looking to the Order Bonk)
said that he fotiod the third reading of the Dublin Steam Packets
Bill stood fur Vi•III3MAY. Ile had objections to the measure, and,
when the proper time came, he it,tended to move its postponement
for astir her six months.
Upon the motion of Lord Csevitortre, the commitment of the
Stave Trade Laws Coinufidation Bill was deferred till Thursday,.
and their Lordships were ordered to be summoned.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY now proceeded to take the
Chair, when their Lordships went into succession of Committees
on the Exchequer Bills Piddle Works Bill, the Fisheries Encourage-
ment and Improvement Bill, the Highland Churches Building Bill,
and the Australian Company's Bill, which were reported without
any amendments to the House.
The Report on the Weights and Measures Bill, notwithstanding
some objections from the Earl of LAUDERDALE. was agreed too.
Both the Savings' Banks Act Amendment Billand the Warehous-
ing Bill were respectively read a second time.
COUNTY COURTS.

Lord REDESDALE now moved the Order of the
Day for the second reading of the County Courts Bill,
which he advocated at considerable length. The mea-
sure went to diminish the expenses and facilitate the
recovery of small debts; and it originated in the sug-
t estion of Sir Matthew Hale, who hinted at its propriety
a century and a half ago.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH, at some length, exposed
the anomalies, contradictions, and absurdities of the
13,11, which he described as clogged vial more absur-
dities than any Bill which he remembered to have been
brought up to their Lordships. With respect to him-
self, so far as he was personally concerned, he must
remark that the Bill contained not a single provision,
not a clause, for compensating the officers of dime
Courts which its enactments went to abolish. When
such was the character of the pr esent Bill, and he could
instance the situation of the officers of even the Court
of King's Bench, he felt quite certain that enough could
be adduced by him to influence their Lordships so far as
to discard the Bill. Houbjected to the measure on other
grounds; it was likely, in his judgment, to increase the
mischiefs now complained of, while it was not likely, on
the other hand, to effect the slightest good. It was
questionable how far the too easy recovery of the petty
debts or rather the supposed chance of recovering
them, was advantageous on the whole ; and he doubted
if the present Bill did not go to diminish, instead of en-
larging, the jurisdiction of the County Courts. With
regard to the Assessors to be appointed under the Bill,
he objected to their powers, which were undue, and
most unduly to b'exercised. He wished an inquiry to
be instituted, and conjured their Lordships not to de-
stroy at once tribunals as ancient as the common law
of their native land. With regard to what had devolved
to him, a., Chief Clerk of the Court of King's Bench,
he could only now assert that he was determined to
maintain what he had beneficially held by virtue and
m remuneration of his father's tried services. But, and

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he was free to admit it, his property was rather of
disagreeable kind ; and although he had nothing to sa-
crifice. he was ready to accept of any fair arrangement
on equitable terms, which might •be offered to him.
The LORD CHANCELLOR did not think, and so
far be differed from his Noble and Learned Frietld (Re-
desdale), that the present Bill was likely sb advance the
administration of justice; but, at all events, it could not
with propriety be passed this Session. With respect
to compensation, claims had, he knew, been preferred
most improperly in some cases; but then again, there
weie other cases in which compensation was certainly
due. Not to descend to minor cases, he might instance
the situations of Lord Chief Justice of the King's Bench
and Lord Chief Justice of the Common Pleas, which,
unless the appointments attached to those high situa-
tions were compensated to the holders, the latter were
left ia a state of spoliation by the present Bill. At the
same time, however, he was aware that many persons
were applying for compensation, who in reality were
not entitled to any. He trusted that further time would
therefore be granted for considering such a Bill as the
present, and that ultimately some measure for cornPen-
sating those entitled to remuneration would go along
with it. With respect to the barristers to be appointed
to act under the present Bill, he himself could not se-
riously take upon him, if asked the question, to advise
a man of talents and knowleige, and of five years' stand-
ing at the Bar, to progress four Circuits a year ; and
also go where the Secretary of State should require him,
for the salary to be allowed him under the Bill, fore-
going the practice of Westminster Hall, and giving up
the brightest hope of his professional life. He had
therefore to propose that the Bill should lie over till
next Session.
Lord REDESDALE, io consequence of what hnd
fallen from his Noble and Learned Friend, said that he
certainly would refrain flow pressing, the Bill.
Lord ELLENI3OROUGII now in:wed that the Bill
should be read a second time this day six months.—
, The motion was agreed to.
Lord la NYON now moved their Lord.hips to go into a Com-
mittee of the whole House up .n the Wel,ll Great Sessions
Amendments were afterwards made by Lord Camino, Lord
Re DMALE, and the Loma CitaNcta.toit, after which the lli:1
was reported es amended, and the Ucport was ordered to he re-
ceived to-morrow.

At nearly Fight u'Clock the House adjourned till to-morrow
snmiing at ten.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The SPEAKER took the Chair a few minutes befnre. four o'clock.
The Southwark Bridge Bill went through a Comattirtee of the
whole llouse,and the Report was ordered to be received to-

morrow (this day). •
The Hibernian Joint Stock Company's Bill was read a third
time and passrd.
Lord A. HILL presented a Petition from the Roman ettholics
reining in the county of Down, prAying for emancipation.—Ordered

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to be Lid on the table.
Mr. C. PELHAM moved for certain returns connected with
the Colony of Sierra Leone.—Ordered.
Mr. 11U NI E, in rising to present the Petition which he held in
his hand, observed that he had had it in WI possession some time,
and had taken an opportunity of exantiaiag rune documents re-
ferred to by the petitioners; but it was impossible for him to an-
swer fur the correctness of all its details, they were si numerous.

The Petition was signed by 14,000 persons, and complained of the
abuse of public property which was belonging to the Corporation.
The Petition, he consider d, was a very import int one, and de-
served the scrions attentiotrof the House. It prayed that the Com-
missioners whom his Majesty had been graciouily pleased to ap-
point to inquire into the funds relating to Schools in Ireland might
be instructed to inquire into the funds of the Corporation of Drog-
heda. The petitioners complained that the Corporation consisted
entirely of Protestants, although Catholics were eligible by law to
become members of it. The property in the hands of this body
only let for £11,..100 a year, although it was capable of producing
from -0143,000 to £20,000 per annum, and it was so let to the mem-
bers of the Corporation. The petitioners complained, that of the
money rice:red by the corporate body, a considerable portion of it
was expended in paying the pensions of widows and others who
were connected with its members. The petitioners stated that by
the :ascii and 29th of Henry VIII. the lands belonging to the Cor-
poration were to be appropriated to several purposes, which were
not now attended to.—The Petition was then ordered to be laid
on the table, and to be printed.
Mr. HUM E presented a Vetition front an individual, named
Edward king, residing in the West Riding of Yorkshire, which
stated, that he had invented a method for effectually preventing
forgery:—The Pertain' was ordered to be laid on the table, and to
be printed.
Mr. lIUME presented a Petition from a place in Scotland,
praying the repeai of the Combination Laws.—Ordered to be laid
oa the table.
Mr. HUME withdrew his motion (for the present Session)
which stood for to-morrow (this day) relating to Compensation to
Slave Holders, in case of the Emancipation of their Slaves.
Lord OX M A NTO WN presented a Petition from the Freemasons
of King's Couuty, praying that they might enjoy the same privi-
leges as the Freemasons of England.
Mr. M ABER LY gave notice that be should move, next Session,
for leave to bring in a Bill for the Repeal of the Assessed Taxes.
Mr. HUME put a question to the Honourable Gentleman op.
posite (Mr. Ilerries) relating to Portuguese Prize Money.
Mr. HERMES said, that the prize money was agreed to he
Issued to Lord Beresford and the Portuguese Minister conjointly.
The money had not yet been paid, hut it was depnsited in Exche-
quer Bills, and whenever his Lordship and the Portuguese Minister
were prepared to fulfil their pint of the agreement, the money
would be transmitted.
After a few words from Colonel DAVIES and Mr. Ilmsztes, the
conversation dropped.
Mr. I.A MIITON said he had to present a Petition from an in-
dividual well known to the public by his meritr as an artist, he
meant Mr. Ilaydon, the historical painter, who was at present la-
bouring under pecuniary difficulties, not brought on hint by any
imprudence of his own, except a too enthusiastic study of his pro-
fession might he called so. Mr. Ilaydon, in his petition, stated that
historical painting was that part of the art of painting least encou-
raged, although one of the most useful. He (Mr. Larnbton) agreed
is this part of the Petition, be also did in a subsequent part of it,
In which Mr. llaydon strin.gif urged the House to set apart a suns
of money to encourage and enable individuals to study this branch
of the art.—The Petition was brought up, read, and on the motion
for printing it,
Mr. LA MBTON adverted to the grant of a suns of money,
during the present Session, tor the purchase of Mr. Angerstein's
pictures. Ile trusted Parliament would not :top here, but that a
farther sum would be granted for purchasing the best historical
paintings, to be disposed of in the same way as those already pur-
chased had been.
Mr. DENMAN presented a Petition from an individual named
Hay, a merchant of Edinburgh, who was at present confined in the
jail of that city, complaining of the conduct of the Scotch Courts.
—The Petition was brought up and read.
A Message from the Lords announced that their Lordships had
agreed to Bills to reverse certain Attainder, &c. to which the
con-
currence of the Commons was desired.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY withdrew his notice of a motion for a Re-
vision and Consolidation of the Statutes, which stood for to-morrow,
with the understanding that he would bring it on eatly next Session.
MR. PAYNE KNIGHTS DONATION BILL.

On the motion of Mr. Benzes, Mr. Payne Knight's Donation
Bill was read a second time.
Mr. HUME expressed a hope that an increased facility would
be given, and a proper place provided fur receiving these coins.
Mr. ANKES said, that every facility, consistent with the pre-
servation of the collection, should be given to the PuLlic.—The
Bill was ordered to be conimitted to-morrow.
MR. ROBERT GOURLAY.

The SPEAKER said, he bad now to state to the House that he
had this day received a letter, signed by Drs. Munro and Tuthill,
respecting Mr. Robert Gourlay, the individual now in custody fur
a Breach of the Privileges of the House. With the leave of the
House he would now read the letter. The Right Honourable
Gentleman accordingly read the letter; in which the Medical
Gentlemen stated, that in obedience to the orders of the House
On the motion of Mr. Batumi, Mr. Payne Knight's Donation
Ball was read a second time.
Mr. HU MB said, he was confident the example of the respect-
able dunor would be followed by others, and that the ritlsh Mu-

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scum Weald 1000.COntain a collection equal to any on the Conti-
nent, and he hoped every facility would be' given to the public to
visit it—(Hear). The Bill was ordered to be committed to-morner.
they had visited Mr. R. Gourley several times, and conversed with
hint on the subject of various transactions of his life ; and they
were decidedly of opinion that hb mind had at different times bees
in an unsound state. They were also of opinion that such was the
state of his mind in which he on Friday last committed an milk
upon an Honourable Member of the House, andlhat he still CS
timed in the same state.
Mr. Secretary CANNING said, having heard this letter, he was
persuaded the House would agree with him, that, as there was no
motion at present before the House with respect to this unfortunate
Gentleman, none should be made; but that the 13106 t humane course
which could be adopted towards him, would be
.to let him remain
where he is at present, and that his friends should have access to
bim.—Here the matter rests fur the present.
REVERSAL OF ATTAINDERS.
Mr. Secretary PEEL moved the first reading of the
Bill to reverse the attainder of Lord Stafford, which he
deemed the reparation of an act of injustice ; the Bills
for restoring the Lords Marr, Kenmuir, Perth, and
Nairn, were different; they were acts of grace and
favour—( Hear, hear).—They were severally read a first
and second time, and ordered to be committed in the
Speaker's chamber.
Mr. ABERCROMBY expressed his gratification at
the course and selection which his Majesty had been
advised to pursue and make on this subject—a feeling
which' he possessed, he believed, in common with the
rest of the House—(hear, hear). It could not be said
that political considerations had guided the selection,
and the selection would tend to make his Majesty still
more popular in Scotland.
Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH said be possessed simi•
lar sentiments to those which had been expressed.
.There was something exceedingly affecting in behold-
ing this reversal of the attainder of Lord Stafford, who
was murdered by the sword of justice 144 years age.
As to the other cases, he trusted that all the attainder
arising not of the civil contests of 1715 and 1745 would
lie reversed, and thus terminate the remembrance of
those discords.
Captain BRUCE said he could not fully approve of
the selections that had been made. Why should any
have been omitted ? (llea r). —Why was the taint to
he continued on sonic, and tentoved from others? Why
was he. for instance, who was the collateral descendant
of Bruce, Lit d Ihirleitill, to be excluded ? He trusted
that this matter +sou:Ll be further considered by his Ma-
jesty and his Ministers, as in justice it ought to be.
Mr. Secretary PEEL observed, that, as the restoration
of blood was purely an act of grace and favour, and,
of course, originating with the Crown, be trusted he
should not be called on to give reasons why some had
been omitted, for nothing could be more painful than
for hint to have to make such explanations—(Hear).
The [Lime It Id ample proof that political considerations
had net guided the selections —(Hear ).
Lord BINNING, being connected with the Peerage
of Scotland, could not but express approbation of these
measures. As to the case of the Honourable Mover
(Captain Bruce), it merited peculiar consideration; as
the collateral branches were not affected by the old law
of Scotland; he, however, would not say more at the pre-
sent moment.—Report ordered to ke received to-morrow.
LA ND TAX REDEMPTION. _ _ _

Mr. MABEILLY moved that the Report of the Land
Tax Redemption Bill be received. He strongly con-
demned the Tax, and the provisions by which it was
to be collected. It was time they were repealed. He
proposed that the land-tax should qualify for seats in
I i'arliAment and to kid' o: ; and that the Crown should
have only such exercise here as it had in other instances.
Any savings or advantages from the operation of his
amendment he pi oposed should he applied in discharge
of the debt ; and it it had fair trial he doubted not that
in two years there would be for this purpose, at the
disposal of Government, thirty-four millions.
Mr. HERMES disapproved of this measure, and of
the disadvantages of the accelerations that were re-
quired, and moved as an amendment, that the Report
be received that day six months. The sacrifice requited
for one part f the plan was enormous, upwards of
4.00,0001. a year. He could not approve of s enormous
a sacrifice, nor did lie think the House would. The pur-
chase had been calculated at 24 years; in fact, it was
worth 40 years. The gain would not warrant the sacrifice.
Mr. GRENFELL said, he must oppose the motion,
as, under the present state of public credit, it could not
be productive of any public benefit. He understood
the Chancellor of the Exchequer was willing to ex-
change land-tax for funded debt of the same annual
value, by which the expensive machinery would be
done away with, and that was all that was necessary
for the public benefit.
Mr. HUME said, he could not agree to sell the land-
tax for twenty-eight years purchase, which would he a
great lo,s to the public; besides it was probable that
we should be able to reduce the interest of the Funded
Debt below three per cent. in which case the reduction
of the land-tax at present would increase the loss. He
was, however, perfectly satisfied that the land-tax
could be collected by the Excise Department, and
1:50,000 a year, the present expense of collection, saved.
He would wish to have the measure postponed till next
Session, when it might be better considered.
Mr. MONCK opposed the motion.
Mr. Al ABERLY replied, and said, though confident
of the goodness of the measure, he should not divide
he House. The question was then put and negatived.
IRISH INSURRECTION BILL.

Mr. GOULBURN moved the Order of the Day for
the second reading of the above Bill.
Mr. ROBERTSON said, it was his intention to prove
to the House the mischievous tendency of passing this
Bill, in the present state of the people of Ireland. It
would have the effect of aggravating their feelings, by
making England appear to be leagued with one of the
parties in Ireland, where it was notorious one party en-
deavoured to bear down and oppress another. He had
recently received a letter from a person connected with
one of those parties in Ireland, which was written for
the purpose of shewing him the determined hostility of
the Roman Catholics against the Protestants there. The
writer asserted that the Catholics had taken an oath to
exterminate the Protestants, man, woman, and child, on
account of their religion. Now there were 2,000,000
of Protestants in Ireland, and not one, he believed, had
been put to death, except where some private feel-
ing of wrong rankled in the mind of the patty commit-
ting the outrage, and impelled him to transgress the I
law. The Honourable Member then proceeded to tead
a paper, which was said to be sent forth by certain
Magistrates, to whom the execution of the Insurrection
Act had been, and would again be entrusted. It
was, he observed, one of the most inflammatory Ad-
dresses that was ever published by any set of men.—
After adverting to the frequent assemblage of the Ca-
tholics, and the disgraceful Acts committed by them,
it went on to say, Will you remain in this state of
apathy till you see your child reckinz on the rebel pike,