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from confidetiag tt excellent, Z generally s
(*Of obliged to oppnfe his hwafures. Befides t
meet 1 had formed in my own mind, there is a
conliderarion which' weighs eonfiderably with
and which is alio fomewhat of a -private vogue.
fell th 4 the lituation in which T now Rand, is owl.
to the opinion of a very confiderable number of pet
font (mg conßituents), who, fo far front thinking the
adminifhation to be an excellent one, thought, on
the contrary, that it. was one which ought to be Rea-
dily oppofed, and they have fent me to Parliament,
beeanfe my former conduit, and my opinion on this
fobjed, was in unifon with their own. They certainty
did not confider Mr. Pitt as an excellent Statefman,
nor can I bring myfelf to acquiefce, by my vote, in,
fuel) a propolition. I have no doubt but the Hon.
Gentleman has brought forward this motion on the
purelt and moR difinterefted ground% but for the
reafons I have already mentioned, with all the refpat
I entertain for the memory of that Right Hon. Gen-
tkeman, whore death I fincerely regret, I feel rnyfelf
obliged to a painful exercife of my duty in oppofing
the prefent motion."
Mr. PYTCHES, while he agreed in the great
abilities of the lote Chancellor of the Exchequer, felt
himfelf called on to oppofe the motion.
Sir R. BUXTON-6i I little expelled the oppofi:
Lion that ha. enanifeßed itfelf to-night. I could not
have conceived, that when the queflion was merely
to pay the well deferved tribute of national gratitude
and relped to that much lamented num who is no
more, there would have appeared any thing of that,
fpirit of party, or petfonal hottility, which be had '
to encounter when living, but which I never fupp.f.
ed would follow hint to the grave. Could there be
any doubt of the propriety of voting a Monument to
his memory If the Hnufe fh uld not vote it. the
records of Parliament, in which his tondud had heen
fo often approved of, would terve to perpetuate his
memory. The Coo.titution which he had Caved, by
the wifdem and firmnefs of his meafures, would be
a glntleue monument to his memory; butt above all,
the immortal name of PITT world, of Will, pre-
ferve the memory of his public Cervices to the lama
times."
The Marquis of DOUGLAS.—" I lament much
that we Mould have been forced into difcafion on
the ptefent fubjed. With every difpofitiOn to give
full credit, both to the talents of that Right Hp.
Gentleman, and to his difinterellednefs, I mull fay,
that it has not hitherto been ufual, in this, or any
other country, to beitow the highea honours, and
marks of national gratitude, on the exertion even of
great talents, unlefs they led to a fuccefsful refult. It
is not enough to Rate, that great talents have been
employed with zeal. unlefs they have alfo been cm
gored with Come fuccefe. I (hall confider the com•
pardon, Which the Hon. Mover mentioned, between
Mr. PITT and his Father. In order to judge rightly,
It will be fufficient to confider the relative Rate of
the country, after the cod of the feven years war, and
its prefent, relative iltuation. It is but lately, that a
gnat tribute of national gratitude was paid to a daft
tinguilhed individual, who fell in the fervice of his
country (Lord Nscsowl. We remember what
crowds followed his bier, with what general marks of
refped he was accompanied to the grave. But Cup.
pofing he had not (=ceded at Trafalgar; if, on the
contrary, he had loft the Britifh fleet upon that day.
altho' he might have exerted the fame talents andthe
fame zeal. he would not, in that cafe, have been con-
fidered worthy the honour of fuck a magnificentinne-
rat, at the national expence.This confideration wilifisew
that thole high honours are only given as the reward
orthe fuccetsful exertions of great talents in the fir-
vice of the country. In °pooling the motion, I feel
myfelf to be difcharging a painTul duty. It would
grieve the to Rir up thole awes which I would walk
over with veneration. (Hear! afar!) If I were
obliged to make oblations to particular parts of his
adminiftration, I could allude to a tranfaCtion, which
principally relates to a Noble Lord in the other
Hoge (Lord Macvlcca), in which the fecurity of
our revenues was not fufficieritly attended to. Ldo
Dot, however, mean to fay, that he ought to be impli-
cated in the affair. It is. indeed, painful to me to
be obliged to oppofe the motion, but for the rcafons
I have already Rated, I feel it an indifpenfable
duty."
General TARLETON raid, that he had frequent•
ly ailed in oppefition to the meafures of the Right
Hon. Gentleman, who was the object of the prelate
motion, and whole loft he very much deplored; but
as the chief oblation to the motion teemed to be,
that thefe honours fhould be withheld till the judg-
rnent of the Houfe was known, on the fubjeat of his
conduit for the laR fix months—he. for one, was of
opinion, that the tall fix months of his admlniftration
were the moll brilliant of his life, and therefore he
would vote for the motion.
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Lord TEMPLE—" I rife, in order to exprefs, in
a very few wordy the reafons which lead me to fupport
this motion. I Mall trefpafs but a very (port time on
the attention of the Houk, ■nd perhaps, ton the pre-
, fent occafion, it would have become me better to
have fin Silent. Notwitlitlanding it was my fortune
to oppofe the latter part of the Adminillration of
that Right Hon. Gentleman, yet I feel happy in
giving my setnpla tenimony to thofe trainfcendant
talents which he poffefed, and which, from a very
early period of his life, were devoted to the fervice
of the country. I have alto great pleafure in bear-
ing withers to that purity and integrity which he pre-
ferved tht oughout his long administration. In giving
my warm fupport to the prefent motion, I am con-
vinced I am expreffing the fame opinion which is en-
tertained by every perfon of my family. who, con•
netted with him by the ties of relationffiip, may be
fuppoied to feel moll deeply for his lob."
Mr. WINDHANI--" However painful I may
flel the fituation in which I !land, I feel that there is
a duty impored upon me that I am bound to dif-
charge. Nothing c.n be more eafy and fatisfaelory,
than to comply with that advice which had been
given to all parties, not to let their political bath
-hey be carried to the grave* and that on fuch an oc-
cation as this, they ihould bury all animotity. For
my part, the only difficulty I lhould find in comply
ing with this advice is, that I declare I have no po•
litical animotities to bury. Altho' I join fincerely in
admiration of the great talents of the Right Hon. ,
Gentleman who is now no more, yet I think that
thole talents have not led to much luccefs. And I
mud (Astern, that by the cuftom of this country, and
indeed, by the cuflons of every nation in Europe,
thole extraordinary honours are only conferred
where there is a certain union of merit and fucccfs—

1174 this ftsould not be conficterecl ax i Mere queftion ct
feeling, liftit it fhould be confidered whether,the NS-
nours pc:pored to be granted are ctftomary, or whe-
iffeelliey are firiftly merited. There is a Cott of for:1
Spke on which fome Gentlemen may pride them-
flaw's—the fortitude of hearing well the pain of
' tinkers ; there is a fort of generofity alfo, that lover
to indulge itfelf at the expence of the feeling* *iof
other people—but I hope, in the prefent cafe, this
geaerofity will not be indulged at the expense dour
public duties. I know no confederation of a more
ferinus and folemn nature, than the demand of the
higheft aewards which the country has to know on
departed worth. This is not a claim to be decided
by a momentary feeling, but which fhould be confi-
dered in the molt folemn manner. Let us then un-
deraand the nature 9f the proceeding in which we
are now engaged ; let us know upon what ground,
the fupporters of this motion mean to rely. Do
they mean to fay, that the greata honours that
the nation has to bellow, fhould be always given to
fplendid talents exerted in the fervice of the coun-
try ; or would they mean to make a diainetion,
and only give them to men of great talent, who
happened to be in public offices ? It appears to me,
however, that great talents, exerted in the fervice
of the c.,untry, are entitled to as high a reward,
even if the polieffor fhould not happen to be in a
Public office. Let us fee how fur this principle
leads : It is raid, you give the chief honours of the
nation to thofe naval and military commanders who
gain important viOories, and why not to chore who
gttide their operations ? Muft not their talents be
prefumed, at lean, as great ? Now, Sir, this can be
eafily anfwered. An important vittory is generally a
thing that admits of no difpute, no deception. The
General who routes an enemy's army, or the Admi-
ral who cleftroys his fleet. is therefore, by the unani-
mous opinion of every body. entitled to the highelt
honours. When, on a late occafion, thofe honours
were paid to an Marietta Admiral, all ranks and Jell
criptions of people, the noble and the mean, the rich
and the poor, the enlightened and the ignorant, all
felt equally that thofe -honours were due, and every
heart vibrated to the: general expreffion of national
gratitude and rape& No man Cap miltate or mil:
reprefent fuch maiOns as thofe ; they are not brought
fOrWard to anfwer any party views, or upon falfe
pretence,. It is for there rearms that there is a ge-
neral concurrence in all countries to reward Cervices
of that defcription. Upon Cervices of fuch a bemire
there is always almoft an abrolute unanimity of opi-
nion ; but how can it be expected that there will be
any thing like an unanimity of opinion, when the
queftion is concerning the merits of a tong political
life ? It is for this reafon that all nations make 'a dif-
tinEtion..between the rewards given to a fuccefsful
commander, and to the minifter under whom he has
gained his fuccefs. But if it will be fitid that
tranfeendant abilities, long and important Cervices,
long experience, and application of the sniod to the
important interefts of the country, thould claim as
high a reward •as is given to the molt fuccefsful
Admirals or Generals, "1 !hall then afk, where were
all thofe qualities and endowments more confpi-
cuous than in the late Mr. Burke ? Mr. Burke.'
however. was not honoured with a public funeral---r
Aad yet Mr. Burke was inferior to no man in the
fplendour of his talcum nor in the purity of hia
mind, nor in genuine and diGnterelied patriotifm4
nor in long experience and devotion to the publics
fervice. Where then is the difference of the cafes j
Do Gentlemen mean to rell it entirely upon this,
that men of fplendid talents and endowments, if
they happen to be in office, are entitled to the higheft
rewards a nation can bellow ; butilhould they be out
of office, they are not entitled to honours, aliho' they
Mould ferve their errantry with equal zeal. 'ln every
point of comparifon that could be made. Mr. Burke
flood upon the fame level with Mr. Pitt, and I do
oot fee the reafon for this difference. If the °Nations
to Mr. Burke's having a public funeral had proceed•
ed from his Hon. Friend (Mr. Fox), or thofe who.
voted with him in thofe times, I fhould not have
been furprized : they might have conceived that be-
flowing fuch honours on a man who then differed
diametrically in opinion, would imply a condemna-
tion of their own conduct. But that was not the
cafe ; but it was not from them the °Nation catne, '
but from Gentlemen on the other fide of the Houfe,
whir were afraid that if they contented to fuch ho-,
nours, it would appear as if they approved of all the
fentimtnts of that great man, tome of which were,
perhaps, of too high a tone for them to relilh. They,
therefore, would not, at that time, have agreed to
a refolution which would have declared Mr. Burke
an excellent Statefman. I remember, that wheti the
French Resolution broke out, it not only broke up
the whole fyflem of European politics, but it broke
up, at the fame time, many of the deareft conneetions
which had united men in tics of private, is Well as
political ftiendfhips. I then differed upon that fub-
jai materially from the opinion of my Hun. Friend
(Mr. Fox), and being, in a great meafure, induced
by the authority of the great man I have mentioned
(Mi. Burke), I then conflated myfelf with the Ad-
miniftration of which Mr. Pitt was Art the Iliad. It
is not to be fuppofed, that becaufe I joined his Ad-
miniftration. that I neceffarily approved of every part
of his fyfteso. The quellion with me was, whether,
upon the whole, the forming that connexion was not
the molt likely way to promote thole objees which,
in my opinion, were defirable to be obtained. Whe-
ther info doing I judged right or wrong, or whe-
ther now after the events, my opinion remains the
•fatne as it was before, are queftions that are of little
confequence. If I were to divide the whole of a
long and critical life into two diflinit periods, one
the period before the breaking. out of the French Re-
volution, and the other period fubfequent to that
event, it would be hard to call upon me in either
cafe, to vote a fort of cenfure un any part of my po-
litical conthiet. I may fay, that I think the (Oen:
upon which Mr. Pitt employed his great talents
was ufeful and right, but it does not follow from
that, that I mutt alto admit that the manner he
employed his talents, for the lupport of that fyl-
tem, was to be approved of; although I might
think the VlAr was neceffary, yet I am not b,und
to fay the war was well crindated in his hands. I
do not think that the veffel of the State was con-
dated in the belt manner for the object that was pro
leffedly in view. I think it necelfary to fay fo much,
in order to tree myfelf from the charg: of incon-
fleney that fume Gentlemen are ever 1..44 to bring
againa me. I repeat, that I feel it pailltUi to op