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land, in the County r.f Ayre, Eatl Fitzwiliam from vat ious parts
of the County of York, the Duke of Grafton front Clare, Earl •
Grosvenor from Chimer and from Glonce to., and Lord Gran-
ville from the followers of the late flit•. John Wesley, a multi-
tude of Petitions, praying for permission to propagate and extend
Christian Knowledge in India.—The Petitions were all ordered
to lie on the table.

Earl GRO 'ENOit moved for the second reading of the Sine.
cure l'lace B 11 on Tuesday next, which, after a tew observa-
tions from the LORD CHANCLLLOR, who remarked that the

consideration of the Bortbwick Peerage was fixed for that day,
was agreed to.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE save notice that he should on
Monday next call the astention of their Lordships to t"e tt,th
Standing Order of the House. He bad ohserved, with a good
deal of surprise, a new regulation which their Lordships bad
chosen to adopt, whereby an attendance at the House took
place on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, at ten o'clock.—
The mea.,urc be believed was unknown to many Noble Lords,
who thereby would be exposed to much inconvenience, and he
should therefore move, on Monday, that the words in the Order

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" eighty-five," referring to the time for the House's proteeJing
on business, instead of " after prayers," should be " before three

o'clock."

Lord SHEFFIELD presented a Petition from a number of
Merchants, Traders, and Manufacturers of London, against the
further Importation of Merchandize from America.—Ordered

to lie on the table.

Mr. Kingston, from the East India Company, presented an
account of the number of Europeans resident in India, and not in
the service of the Company.
Lord C. Lrvitsou Gewalt, Lord VTANLET, and others from
the Commons, brought up a number of private Bills, which
were read the first time.

ALLIANCE WITH FOREIGN POWERS.
Earl GREY rose in the expectation of receiving an
answer from his Majesty's Ministers to inquiries of the
utmost importance. If be had abstained from put-
, ting questions on any mevures whatever, to his Ma.
jcsty's Ministers until the present crisis, it was be-
i cause he had thought that Government ought to ex-
I no interruption whatever, while considering
la renewed application from the enemy for peace.—
j This, however, was a period at which he could not
I consistently remain silent. He had heard many ru-
mours of connection with foreign powers that had
filled him with no inconsiderable concern. If it was
not yet the time to discover the proceedings with re-
spect to those foreign connections, all he should state
was, that- if there should be any Of those rumours
true, with respect to inducement held out to powers
I opposed to France, by his Majesty's Ministers, no
conduct, in his Lordship's opinion, could be more in.
jurious to the country, or more impolitic than the con-
cealment of such measure from Parliament. It ap-
peared in another Howe, in the account of a Vote of
Credit last year, that considerable sums had been ad.
vanced to Sweden. If money was advanced to a
foreign power, Parliament had a right to know for
what. They had frequently held discussions on the
subject, and it never was doubted that any Minister*
w•iuld be justified, even while Parliament was not
sitting, in making advances to a foreign power with.
out the knowledge of Parliament. if we had made
with any power any treaty of conciliation or alliance,
it was time the object cif that alliance should be
made known, and the Noble Earl expressed a hope
that his Majesty's Government would not make any
filial arrangement till Parliament had deliberated on
the proposi:icn. HI concluded by asking if any

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' • alliance bad taken place between this country an(
any foreign power ?
Lord LIVERPOOL said, he felt all the imper-
tance of the subject to which the Noble Earl had
called his attention, and his Majesty's Ministers could
state to him and the House, that nothing done by
- Government would be withheld from Parfiament, if
they were at liberty at a period like.the present to
afford explanation. With respect to foreign powers,
his Lordship was sure the Noble Earl would feel
that any disclosure on that sibject, without it was
, stated in all its bearings,. would lead to great emberrassment. • He could not, with that view of the sub-
jeCt, feel that he was acting consistent to his public
duty. if he then gave a particular answer or explana-
nation ;- but the day perhaps was not tar distant,
when his Lordship might have an opportunity of
diacriNtig to the House our relations with foreign
powers, and what are the engagements with those
. rowers. The Noble Earl would doubtless feel there
was a subject to be discussed which might lead to ex-
' planation of the kind required, and he (Lord Liver-
pool) would not fail to give the fullest explanation at
the first opportunity.
Earl GREY intimated in reply, that he was not
satisfied with the answer of the Noble Earl. In
throwing out general observations on rumours which
reached him, he had conceived that he should have
received a direct answer from one of his Majesty's
Government- He had been silent even to the pe-
riod of the commencement of the campaign, when all
the resources of the country were to be employed.—
' He had not spoken until the period when his Majes-
• ty'e Ministers, surrounded by fortunate circumstances,
had not made any attempt to obtain peace, or carry
on vigor, sss war. Here the conversation ended.
NAVAL ADMINISTRATION.
The Earl of DARNLEY rose, on the order of the
day, to cal the attention of their Lordships to the
conduct of Government with respect to the American
War. His Lordship said, he tett diffidence in 'bring-
ing forward the subject, conceiving himself to be un-
equal to the task it imposed. Within those walls they
had long been accustomed to hear of brilliant achieve-
ments, and welhearned rewards bestowed on heroes
in the field. He was there to call their attention to
Naval affairs, unfertuea,tely the reverse of those
splendid victories which had so often demanded the
Thanks of Parliament. He labouied under consi.
derable disadvantage, by being deprived of the sup-
port of a Noble Marquis, who was prevented from at-
tending by indisposition. Another circumstance had
occurred to embarrass him :—Since notice was given
of his motion, another disaster had occurred, which
be did not expect in the nature of events. [l'he
Nellie Earl alluded to the report of the recent success
obtained by the Hornet.] Having commented on
that event, his Lt rdship contended that Ministers had
evinced great indifference to the interests of the Navy,
and drew a conclusion that the war with America
# might have been prevented by proper negociation.—
The measures adopted by Government had led to the
war, and when they were assured by the best informa-
tion that war was inevitable, they neglected those
preparations required long before the war ensued.
With a sufficient naval force on the coast of America,
the swarm of privateers which had annoyed our trade
would have been •icept in, and a blockade established
that might have produced, long since, peace and good
understanding with the country. Instead of provid-
ing a sufficient farce, Government bad sent out but
one line-of-battle ship, and several ships of less force.
The enemy, at the same time, had a fine of five
frig ties and twenty sloops, all qualified for sea, and
ranty to seize our merchant vessels. He had a right
to suppose the military force in Canada, at the break-
ing out of the war, did not exceed the naval, and it
might be skid, in justice to those great men who fell
in their country's cause, that it was the superior or-
ganization
of the 13: itish troops only, that gained the
advantages which ensued at the commencement of
the war. Had Ministers stationed only five sail of
the line and 17 frigates, they would have established
a complete blockade. With that force they would
have cut up the American commerce, and. from the
unpopularity of the war, the parties hostile to this
country would have been desirous of peace —The
next subject was, the quality of the force sent out.
Ministers bad long known the strength of the Ame-
rican frigates : they had seen the Constitution at Spit-
head, and surely the Lords of the Admiralty might
have laid down frigates eenal to those of the Ameri-
cans. There could be no doubt, that an Am: rican
and a Briti,h frigate, of equal force, woull receive in
an action damage nearly alike; but it was known
th At the American frigates were suprior in the weight
of guns, and the size of the hull. The Americans
carried 24-potinders, and the British 18. Their fri-
gates were larger, and, in an action, British 18-pound
shot, acting on a large mass, could not possibly pro-
duce the effect which the heavy shot from the Ame-
rican would, acting on a small hull. His Lordship
paid the highest compliment to the Officers and crews
of the ships taken by the American frigates, observ-
. ing, none would say they had not. been fought well.
He adverted particularly to the Java, and stated,
that she had only 98 able seamen on board when the
engagement took place. Her Captain was impressed!
.with an idea of the insufficiency of his crew long be-
fore the action.—After so many victories gained by
the Americans over the bravest and most experienced
seamen in the world, none would deny the necessity
for making an inquiry into the causes which had
led to those captures. If an adequate force had
been prepared to meet the enemy, the losses we had
to deplore would not have happened. The state and
condition of our ships should occupy the attention of
the Navy Board, which had of late evinced an obsti-
nate adherence to old customs, and a rejection of all
improvements. A Noble Earl, then in the House,
who was the inventor of many valuable improvements
in naval architecture, would doubtless point out how
the same might be used with benefit to the country,
provided Government were inclined to make use of
them. His Lordship having reviewed all the appa-
rent abuses in the Naval Dea,artmen a paid the highest
tribute to the bravery of the British Navy, and la-
mented. that those vessels which so often conquered,
should be cornpeled to str.ke to a foe superior on all
occasions,—not hravety, but in strength.—Lord
Darnley concluded an able speech with moving,
hat a Committee be appo.ntrd to ingtsire in:o the crcuns-
stanc of the War httwe a or Untied Siat,s and this Country.
and m pat titularly with rtsptc to Ito. ccuiluct of those who
have hid the tii,posal of his Mi,jaat)'s ;s;aval korai."

Lord .MELVILLE replied at great lengit to' all
.he points of observation introduced by th Noble
earl. He trusted, he said, that he should Ise able
to chew that there were no sufficient. grounds for
going into a Committee on the subject, and, that in
the present circumstances there was nothing to have
induced the Noble Lord to expect that the House
should entertain his proposition. The Noble Earl
had entered at great length into the origin of the war
with America, but this he did not consider as form-
ing any part of the present question, and therefore
should not follow him through all his remarks on this
part of the subject. It was impossible, indeed, at
present, to entertain any question, respecting the
origin of the war. The only subject of discussion
was, the manner in which the-war had been con-
ducted. The Noble Lord, had contended, that we '
had not employed a sufficient force on the coast of
America, and-that a greater force ought to have
been ready for that purpose, previously to the break-
ing out of the war. He would admit so far the state-
ment of the Noble Lord, that the war, from the
temper of the Americans, might have been in some
degree expected, but there existed at the same time
a general feeling in this country, that the repeal of
the Orders in Council would have operated v change
in the opinions and temper of the American People.
The cause, or rather the pretended cause of the war,
as the relations between the two countries now stood,
was nothing less than an abandonment of our mari-
time rights, on which our very existence, as well as
greatness as a Maritime State, depended. (Hear,lseer.)
The Noble Lord had contended, that we ought at
all times to have had a sufficient force ready in case
of a rupture with America. I do admit, (says the
Noble Viscount) that it was the duty of Government
to keep a sufficient force at all times in th it quarter,
to keep in check the American Navy, and to protect
our own trade in those seas, and it now remains for
us to inquire how far this duty was performed. In
carrying on the war in which we were now engaged,
it was our duty also to curtail our expences as much
as possible, that our means and resources might be
applicable to other places of not less importance. The
Noble Lord had said, why did you not take your
ships foam other places, and send them to America ?
This might be alt very true, if the blockading squa-
drons in Europe had been unnecessary—but in look-
ing at the situation the enemy, could this for a mo-
ment be admitted to be the case ? At Toulon alone
the enemy had teenty•six sail of the line equipped
for sea. Government was, therefore, certainly jus-
tified in not diminishing our blockading force at
home. It might even be a question bow fair they
were justified in not having increased it. Had Ame-
rica declared war at an earlier period, a greater part
of our fleet might have been more disposable ; but
at the period the war was declared, the Northern
fleet, as well as the others, was already sufficiently
occupied. The Noble Lord then took a view of the
actual state of our force on the coast of America and
in the West Indies, for protecting our commerce,
and keeping in check any attempts on the part of the
Americans at the breaking out of the war, and con-
tended that that force was not so inadequate as stated
by the Noble Earl. He adverted to the several fri-
gates that had been taken by the Americans, and
:hewed that these events, however much to be re-
gretted, had been owing to circumstances that could
infer no blame on the Government, nor attach any
discredit to our Navy. The Guerriere having been
separated in a gale from her company, had the mis-
fortune to fall in with a much superior force, but the
result reflected no dishomzir on the Navy. On the
subject of blockading the American coast so coin
pletely as to pievent the sailing of any of the enemy's
vessels, be contended that it was impossible to insti-
tute such a bluekade against all their ports. From
the very nature of things, cruizers would occasionally
make their escape, and ships had even been taken on
our own coast. The force, however, was sufficient
for every practicable purpose. With respect to the
Courts Martials on the captured frigates, there was
no doubt that the Members of those Courts had suffi-
ciently done their duty in examining every thing, and
their sentences, though every circumstance m'ght not
be noticed in their minutes, were a sufficient ground
to satisfy their Lordships. With respect to our naval
architecture, he contended that no nation was, or
ever had been, superior to us in that respect—and
measures had been already taken to remedy the evil
the Noble Lord had alluded to. The effects of the
blockade had been already felt in every state of Ame-
rica, and their trade and commerce were suffering
severely by the measures we had taken. He opposed
the motion as unnecessary, and without any fair and
justifiable ground.
Earl STANHOPE regtetted that the Noble Vis-
count had not yielded to his suggestion of speaking
before him, as the Noble Viscount might have an-
swered, in that case, both his Noble Friend's speech
and his at the same time—(A laugh.) The Noble
Viscount had shewn much ability, but he did not
think he had answered the speech of the Noble Lord
who had made the motion. The Noble Earl, after
some farther introductory remarks, spoke at great
length on the subject of ship-building, and with much
humour, and often with a degree of raillery peculiar
to himself. He quoted the authority of a very able
Admiral of the Fleet (Peckman), that naval archi-
tecture was yet in a very imperfect state ; that the art'
of navigation was only in its infancy ; that a more per-
fect period was approaching; and that whatever
State should take the lead, would obtain a political
eminence in the scale of nations. The great prin-
ciple in naval architecture that his Lordship laid
down, was—that ships should be introduced to carry
as much metal with as little draught of water as pos-
sible. This would be an invention more valuable than
that of gunpowder itself. His Lordship then took
a long view of the experiments he himself had made
on this subject, with the observations and experiments
of several naval characters. He gave an account of
the proceedings of the Society of Naval Architecture,
of which he was a member, and at whose experiments
he had always assisted. He had often occasion to
witness the ignorance of the Boards of Admiralty,
(though he said nothing of the present), and even ot'
some Admirals themselves with whom he had dis-
putes, for he liked to dispute with Admirals (a laugh).
He explained the whole art of obtaining quickness
tnd stability in sailing, and his various experiments
on that subject. He referred to the amine torpedo,
intro,:uced by Mr. Fulton, and slimed why his ex-
rim, nt wag unsuccessful at Boulogne, and where
successful, what was the cause of it. He had tor-

,merly given notice of a method to prevent the effects
of this torpedo, but it had not been yet adopted. He
hoped he should soon see it adopted In our fleet on
_the toast of America, or We might every day expect
to hear of our ships being blown up in that quarter,
to the destruction of the lives of our brave officers
and seamen. He explained the causes of the dry rot
in ships, and the manner of preventing it. He sta-
ted, that by dividing the interior of vessels by parti-
tions they might, in case of leaks or other accidents,
be prevented from sinking. They might also be se-
cured from fire, by only planking them on the out-
side and coppering. He warmly recommended the
application of mathematical science to ship-building
and navigation, add pointed out the necessity of
employing large vessels of such a construction as
could approach a lee shore. This became necessary
in the present circumstances of Europe, particularly
when the enemy occupied so extensive a line of coast.
The Earl/of GALLOWAY contended, that the
Near with America had been, in a great measure, the
malt of thepoliey of this country joining the coali-
tion against France, by exciting the envy and jea-,
' lousy of the United States. He hoped, that in case
of peace taking place, we should give a Constitution
to Canada, to secure the fidelity and safety of that
colony. His Lordship alluded to the production of
the late Mr. Fox on this subject, and had no doubt,
that unless we gave it a Constitution, we should lose
that country. He adverted to the loss of our frigates,
and explained the cause as arising in. a great measure
not only from the size and weight of metal of the
American frigates, but from the stay in which they'
were manned. The Americans, from the small num-
ber of their vessels, and the check that had been
given to their commerce, had great abundance of
seamen, and were enabled to man their navy with
prime seamen only; whereas our vessels were only
manned with one-third able-bodied seamen, one-third
ordinary, another third landmen, and vete, few prime
seamen. He recommended granting greater encou-
ragement to seamen, particularly as a country such
as this could not dispense with the impress service.
Earl GREY conceived that his Majesty's Mini.
ters were highly reprehensible, not only for the cap-'
tures made by the Americans, but for the extremely'
injudicious proportions observed in the construction
of our ships, the evils of which he detailed at some,
length. A Noble Lord appeared very apprehensive
that the Americans might derive extraordinary and
alarming advantages from the communication of Mr. 1
Fulton's invention for blowing up ships at sea, which
had been submitted to the Government of this court-
try, when he:(Lord Grey) was a Commissioner of
the Admiralty. It was obvious, without the scien-
tific aid of the Noble Lord; that, if gunpowder corn.
pressed, were placed under a ship, it would blow it
up by explosion. But how could this be directed
against an enemy ? how place it under the ship ?
you can put salt upon a bird's tail, you Can surely
catch him ; but the difficulty consisted in the first
Step. The conduct of the Naval Administration of
the Country was not stated as a ground of censure,
but merely of inquiry. The question before their
Lordships was, Whether every thing had been done
to distress the enemy ? he did not mean personal dis-
tress, bat such a pressure of public difficulty xs would
I restore an amicable and moderated tone ? Whether
everyprotection had been afforded to the subjects,and
merchants of this realm, to which they are entitled,
and which the resources of the country ate capable
of affording, the losses we had suffered in our naval
conflict wall America, did not detract from the
established fame and reputation of our gallant sea-
men, because the force of the Americans had been
greatly superior. Our discomfiture, however, under
any circumstances, at sea, was of such vital conse-
quence, that even a suspicion of the fault resting with
the Admiralty was a sufficient ground for inquiry.—
It the American ships had by fortunate accident eled-
ed the vigilance of our ships, in coming out of their
ports, then we should not cempl tin. But it was not
accident that enabled them ; it. was the want of force
on our part, or the want of its timely application.—
We had before us the melancholy prospect of the de-
struction of our trade, even to our trade in every
quarter of the globe—even to our South Sea Whale
Fishery. We had been unwarily committed in a war
with America. His Majesty's Ministers had resisted
the Repeitl of the Orders in Council, even to the last
moment of that repeal being extorted by the distresses
of the Country. His Majesty's Ministers charged
this war upon the hostility of an active party in
America, in the interest of France ; but there were
other causes on our own part to which that war might
be referred. He (Lord Grey) must for ever regret
and complain of the jealous and overbearing spit it
which prevented Ministers from pursuing the means
of maturely conciliating America. We were told
by Ministers that the demands of America were in-
satiable and unjust—Then why not be sufficiently
prepared for war ? A Noble Lord It is tad us that
we should reduce our Navy to strengthen our Army,
and in the same breath he declares, that the press
upon our Navy is so great we cannot afford a force
to blockade American ports. Engaged in a mari-
time war with only two powers, France and Ame-
rica, and having in commission one thousand ships,
we hear excuses of wanting a sufficient force. The
ports of the Chesapeake, Delaware, New York, and!,
Rhode Island, might be effectually blockaded, some
for eight months, and some during the whole of the',
year. He (Lord Grey) could not suppose that
a people,' having a common origin and common
language, should entertain a hostile disposition to-
wards us. Even with all our successes in Canada,
owing to the bravery of our troops, and somewhat
to the faults into which the Atnericans had fallen,
yet they had established an alarming advantage on
Lake Erie and Lake Superior. Even Jamaica was
literally in a state of block ode by American priva-
teers. A ship worth reloo,ooo had been captured,
and continued there for two days, during wheh no
British ship of war appeared in view. A fleet had
been sent from Demerara under convoy of only
one sloop : and even in the outer harbour of Deme.
rara a ship had beerl, cut out by an American priva-
teer. Three South Sea Whalers had beer. captared.
His Lordship next adverted to an argument of a
Noble Lord, that the rate of insurance had not ma-
terially increased, and stated a few instances in
which it had risen to an exorbitant height. His Lord-
ship concluded with observing, that whatever should
be the decision of the House, he was fully convinced
that the dearest interests of the Country actuated
this inquiry.

Lord BATHURST said, t e Nrl7l
1114
had departed fiom the expressed grottads of this NI,
tion, viz. the capture or our frigates. Th.,cc„
tures wete purely acciden! al, aind by nn 111,als
putable to his Majesty's 'Ministers.—( Hwy, /no:.
l'he hostile temper of the Americans was so de.:11!e1
that even when the rescinding of the Ordei s in Ci.u:
cil was pending in Parliament, they put f,.rtli
declaration of w.tr. The dine of declaring
studiously selected to i:itercept our homewrtd.h.,
West India fle.2t, but in this they were
by the negligence of his Majesty's tll::.iityr,.
of the Ships captured had !icon a Lou.
and therefore might have been lost without
ence of the war. W0r.1.1 Ministers liave

fiable in withdraw in?; a t,.ival force front the Ho,
of an enemy's coast, when America wAs
with us ? Had the whole of our navy becti

on dr.: American coact, yet those Frigates
been taken, as was evident from the plac.zs is v:H
the captures were made. His I,,,,rd•thip
with shewing that the most prudent me ,sure,
been pursued for conducting the war in Cant:da
favourable issue.

Lord GALLOWAY shortly explained.
Lord GRENVILLE said, that the tb.ctria?
supposing an inqutiry to imply censure, woold
gate the Constitution. The ques.ion before
Lordships was, whether ctirninal imbec;:ity t.:lk;
pable neglect were not visible, under alt the tirclzet.
stances, in the conduct of the war ? lie
vale) was particularly avcrs.e Iv a war w:111
and was most progd of that part of his public
duct. He wishe:t to conciliate, Ametici by tl;e
terms, but Oct by the surrender of -tn. rights. The
Noble Viscoant at the head of the Admiralty a.
mitred that be had no disposeable lorce at the coal_
mencement of the war, and that this had arisen wit
from negligence, but from necesNity. The %nue of
the-Country with regard to America, hefor.•the r,
vocation of the Orders in Council, had been mod,
ton high, and the Orders had been rescinded besattse
Ministers saw that Parliament would put a stop to
this system. Every thing hat.turned to our di,ad.
vantage in a conflict of the btrongest against the
weakest naval power in the world. If it were right
to build frigates of a new construction now, it woul
have been right before; an 4 if wrong before, it ma
i wrong now. The present Motion, however, did wit
call for censure but inquiry, and lie was at a loss Z 4
I see upon what grounds it could be opposed. It had
his cordial support.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL obseried, that the
Noble Lordi who bad enlarged sl much neon the
disasters of our Navy, had coosen to preserve a poi.
found silence with respect to our triumph by, land.—
IHe contended that no gronoth for blAtne rested 9:
the part of Government. Oa -every station where
Ithe Americans were likely to be met, a powerful
force had been placed. That three out of the fire
(American frigates !should have taken three cf our
. was unfortunate,.:but wholly fiev from 'dame. For
no motion was there ever less pretence than for the
!present, which, therefore, hefelt it to be his duty
to resist.
Lord DARNLEY shorily replied. After whicb
which a division took place.
Contents, Is Non-cm:tests, 4
Proxi,s, 40 * -Prozire, ' -b3

Total for the Motion, 59 Against k, . 1.5
Major:r: against ti us Mot on, —66
Adjourazd at TWo O'CIOCIC.

HOME OP COMMONS.

Mr. H. LASCELLES presente.l a Peti:icn from certain `Si.
nnfaiatnrers and Weavers of Cotton in Yorksbim, against
biting the importation of Aateric la COVOU he War.—
Ordered to lie on the table.
General GASCOVNE present.! a Petition, signed I.y the
tkAsand Anabaptists of Live:co,l, Traying. tr eseat in Ile
HMI Company's Charter being rene...,d, ter permes.ion to -et.4
nut Missionaries to India, to labour in ti.e cony' mon of t..e
tivps to Christianity.—Or Jared to lie nit ti'c table.
Upon the third reading of the Highway being mooed ly
Mr. P. CARVAr,
Sir C. MONK moved, as an amen iment, tba• it be real
third time this slay three months.—A division 1..04 phre, %Lel
the numbers were--I or the third rea 3tig 61 —Ag ii;i.t it 2.

the Bill was accord ngly real a third time, and paced.
Mr. Alderman COMM postponed the curd reading ti• tlet
Smithfield Market Bill to Monday.
In the Committee on the Insolvent Debtors' NE Mr. T.
SMITH proposed to introduce a Clause, to extend the poet-
siuns of the 11111 to
After some observa:i as on :he part of Mr. Conevver,tbe
Clause was ordered to be added; and the Report being re.
ceived, the Bill was ordered to b: recommitted on Fuesday.
Mr. I.USHINGTON broug'st up the Iteort of the Mr.
unique Sugar Conunittee.
A Resolution was agreed to f-ic redoti•lg the Duty on Maw-
vado Sugar from les tid. ins Loner cunint.fn Vlanta-ton Suvr.
The Report of the American Pr:ze. It was received, and die
Bill ordered to he read a third time on Monday.
Mr. O'HARA said, that in consequenceitit the very tido au
tendance of Members then in the House, he postponed his Ma.
don respecting the State of the Revenue in Iceland, until WC,I•
nesday neat.
Mr. GRATTAN moved the seconi rea ling of the Rom=
Catholic Relief Bill; which was accordingly done.
The Htfuse having then resolvd it,elt into a Committee co
Bill, the Chairman reported progress, and o'.xi..ned leave to st:
again ou Monday nest.
Mr. W. Fl I'ZCZERALD moved for an Account of the pro•
duce of different Irish lases, wh c!t were nceordtvgly laid ~sia
the table, and referred to the Ctannittee of Ways and Meaa..

HOUSE IN CONVIITTEE.
Mr. FITZGERALD, in the Cammittce of kVIF?
and Means, briefly stated the terms on which
Loan (t.wo millions of Irish currency) had been
tained, and on the advantageous te:ms of which
congratulated the House and tl!e cotiotry. For evc:7
4100 subscribed the subscriber v‘,..lS to ieeeive
in the Three and a Half per Cents. £2i) in the
per Cents. and Ail 1. I3i. in Treasury Nils. The
terest would be £5. Is. Id. the f;:: •
would make the total expence anumot •
for every £lO9. The taxes v.seie not sot vow
as those obtained last yrar by his it.;ght H-sn. F.
but Caen the Loin h.ld been cnly for a : •
half, the rem iiniug half m Lion hein3
sury Bills. The intetest on the last ),Ntr's
been sr. 9s. It was desirabic th it prz
Loan should be raised in /:eland ; .tr.d
legal rate of interest was b' per cent. Wiley
raised at £5. Is. Id. making neatly a ditrerence..-
1 per cent. beneath the legal rate. It w..s
as tar as possible, to assimilate the reveniic
countries, both upon the articles of lux.my and :.4
say. All the kesclutions which his K;g:a 17. •
Friend (the Esagash Chancellor of !!c
had induced Parliament to ad.•pt. upon ii!c bll .•
of the Custom Duties, in this country. a: p'•:3
to Ireland. Upon all go ids impor•eJ, with ''
ception of certain articles to be speci tied, i.e prci..'""

.ose an additional duty of £25 per tent. The
.s to be excepted wereall kinds of silk employe,'
manufactures, tea, sugar, and salt. tax
I.:cco he should raise to the standard or British
:0, by imposing a duty of three halfpence per
and upon coffee a duty of one-penny per'
. On French wines he proposed to lay an ad-1
d duty of RS per tun. -The last duty had been
in ISIO, and those who still' continued to
it after that duty would .probably do so still,
an additional one should be imposed. With
to the Excise, he should propose an addi-
duty of five shillings per bushel on malt,
here he was afraid he should not have the sup.
the Right Hon. Baronet opposite (Sir John
trt,) making in all a duty of 15s. The whole
duty in Leland would not exceed a half of
t was in England. On the subject of Postage
some regulations to propose. ,On all towns
he capital, lie should propose to reduce the
and to commence an increase at the distance
miles ; the lowest rate should be two-pence.
subject of the Assessed Taxes he should have
lose some additional duties. The Right Hon.

ttle :min then stated a number of additional duties
lie intended to propose on windows, male servants,
Lenses and carriages, and entered into a variety of de-
tills, stating on the whole an increase of 2.1 per
cent. When he came to make his financial statements,
lie should explain more fully his reasons for the Taxes
he intended to propose.
.I. NEWPORT briefly animadverted on the
statement of the Right Hon. Gentleman. He appro-
ved (t the terms of the Loan, but censured the pro-
ro:ecl Tax on Malt, as tending to make the lower
rahks have recourse to spirits, to the ruin of their
teahli and m'.rals. He was afraid the proposed ad-
dition to the Assessed Taxes would not answer. He
was sensible, however, that in the present state of the
Finances of Ireland; great diflicultities must be en-
counteted in making new taxes productive.
Mr. FITZGERALD replied, and Sir JOHN NEWPORT
explained.
Mr. TIGHE was against the additional Duty on
Malt.
The Resolutions, after a few words more from Mr.
Firze.a.icaLD, were then agreed to, and the Repurt
vas ordered to be received on Monday.-. Adjourned.

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