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London, England, 1802-04-15 00:00:00

PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS.

HOUSE OF LORDS, WEDNESDAY, APRIL 14.

he various BUla before the Houle were forwarded in their
Rive Rages. Am mg thefe were the New Loan, and the
Aliened Taxes Bills, which were read a third time aud palled.
And the Grenada Merchants' Loan, and other important
paffcd through Committees of the whole Houle, and were or-
dered to lie read a third time to-morrow.

A Pguition beim; duly prefented, and favourably received by
their Lordthips, a MiU was accordingly brought to to diflolve
tie Marringe between Edward Lane, Efq. with Catharine his
now Wife, which was read a first time, and ordered to be
read a feeond time, at the expiration of the interval required
by the Orders of the Houfc, to take place between du& ilages
of Divorce Bills.

The Apprendeceilegubtion Bin, and one Private Bill were
brought up from the Commohs by Mr. Booze a, and [ever*lly
read a firft time.

Lord ItinssoaLs called the attention of the
Houle to the Propofitious he Lad advanced on
a former evening, relative to the return of Lord
Charleville, as being eleeed a reprefentative Peer
of Ireland in the room of the late Lord Roll:
more. On the nature of the cafe, as well as of
the relevant Provifions of the AEI of Union, and
the Ad incorporated therewith for the regulation
of tilde matters, the Noble and Learned Lord en-

tered into a detailed view, for•tlie information of

their Lordlhips, and obferved, that doubts had
arifcn in the minds of Come Piers whether thefe
, Provifions were duly complied with, which prin-
cipally feemed to turn on the circnmftance, that
the Return was figned by the Deputy Clerk of the
. Crown in Ireland, whereas it was held by Tome
that it was neceffary the Return flould be figned
by the Clerk of the Crown himfelf. However,
ii om an attentive perufal, and a review of the
whole Ad, and alfo with a reference to the prac-
tice in this Country where fuch Documents were
ligned by the Deputy Clerk of the. Crown, it
appeared to him that the Return in queftion was
made in ftrid conformity to the Regulations of
the Ad, and therefore that the Committee of Pri-
vileges had in this cafe been unneceffarily referred
to. He would, under that impreffion, move, that
the Order relative to the Committee of Privileges
be difcharged; and which Motion, he (aid, it was
his intention to follow up with another, namely,that
to declare that Lord Charleville is duly returned.
The obfervations of Lord REDESDALE gave rife
to a long defultory, and, in Tome points of view,
rather irregular converfation, in which Lords
TN URLOW' ALYANLEY, AUCKLAND, RIDEEDALE,
IAI-counts LIMERICK and CARLETON, the Earl of
Rostis, and Marquis SLIGO, took a part.
The refult of this part of the proceedings was,
that Lord REDESDALE'S Motions, for difcharging
the Order relative to the Committee of Privileges,
and declaring Lord Citaittiviu.e duly eleded,
were put and carried.
Their Lordfhips then proceeded, purfuant to die
Order of the Day, to the confideration of the Pe.
tition of BARRY, Earl of FARKNAMS &c. praying
that his claims be admitted.
This fubjed gave rife to a converfation of a fimi.
lar deferipuon with the foregoing, and between
the above-mentioned Peers.—Much of this, as was
the cafe on the evening when the Petitions were
originally prefented by the Marquis of Sligo, turn-
ed upon the point of Catisfadory or adequate evi-
dence of the fads fet forth in the Petition—as thofe
of the deceafe of the Peer alledged to be dead, and
the Petitioner was the eldeft fon, or otherwife, the
next legal heir to the Peerage, &c. and in this view,
one of the queftions confidered by their Lordfhips
was, whether the ftatement of one or more Noble
Peers, in their places, (hould be held fufficient ? or
whether the fads flsould be proved by evidence of
a different defciiption, given in the ufual way at
the Bar ? The major part of their Lordfhips who
delivered their opinions upon this point feemed to
think that the mode of taking it upon the state-
ment of Noble Lords in their places, would not
only be in genera) fufficient, but would be the snore
fatisfadory, and a Caving of great trouble, &c. to
the petitioning Peers. And with refped to the
particular cafes before the Houfe, it was urged,
particularly by the Earl of Roflin, that the aici-
lion which their Lordfhips might come to, would
trot, as had been thrown out in the courfe of the
converfation, operate as a final decition, but merely
as trios facie evidence that thofe given by fuch
Peers were good votes, and did not go to preclude
other perfons who might be concerned, from Ain-
ing their rights in a legal manner.
It was elf() urged by Tome of their Lordfhips in
the courfe of the evening, that fomething in the
nature of a legiflative provifion, or explanatory ad,
was neceffary, in order to clear up the doubts in
queflion, and to ellablifu a fixed and regular mode
for fettling thefe matters in future ; and it was ob-
ferved, that a proceeding of the kind was adopted
on the occaflon of the Union with Scotland, in
which ad, points fi.viilar to thofe in difcuffion, were
referred for fubfequent legiflative provifion..
Vifcount CARLETON rote to deprecate any at-
tempt to alter or new model the Ad of Union with
Ireland, on the ground of the ferious alarm which
filch a meafure would create in that part of the
United Kingdom. Let the Ad of Union be con-
obferved his Lordthip as well as it could,
arld Irillimen would be fatisfi;cl ; but an alteration
in that great and important Ad may produce con-
trary emotions, the more efpecially when they
confidered that if the alteration was made at fo
early a period after the palling of the Ad, in a
matter of mere regulation; and they may be in•
clined to confider themfelves as at a lofs to know
what to depend on with refped to other points.—
With regard to the particular point in dircuflion,
he thought the general pradice here would apply
to the cafe of Irifh Peers, as in this country, the
Patent of a Peer focceeding to his tide was not
e 'en produced and the entry on the Journals, was
m•rely to the effect that fuch a Peer had taken the
oa lis prefesibed, and his feat.
Lord AUCKLAND obferved, that the tubed in
cileuffion, was not only one of confiderable smpor-
t ince, but of great delicacy, and (hood not be
haßily decided. He would therefore propofe, that
fie further difcliffion of the fubjed be adjourned
until Come convenient period after the holidays ;
ideed this was neceffary, as the fulled enhanced