Star.
London, England, 1801-04-02 00:00:00

IRISH VUDGIT.

Mr. CORRY moved the Order of the Day for
going .into a Committee of Ways and Means, and
ant tne AccoUnts prefented by Mr. Weatherall,
ihould he referred to the Laid Committee.
The Hot& then refolved itfelf into a Committee
Of Ways and Means, Mr. BRAGGY. in the Chair. .
Mr. Colon- Paid, that in difcharging the duty
which it had fallen to his lot to perform, it would
be his objeit to take up as little of the time of die
Committee as pofliblc. If, however, there were
any parts in his (laments which the Committee or
any Gentleman might with to have explained, he
would give it with the greatell picallire. It might
be expcifted before he entered into the 11..*,nent of
the charg.s upon Ireland, that he fliouldlay a fcw
words about the Finances of that Country. In
doing fo, however, he &add endeavour to give
the Committee as little trouble at ; he
Mould begin by Rating the charges which Ire-
land would have to bear leparately from Great
Britain, then her joint expences in confequence of
the Union, and then he fhould date the Ways and
Means by %%Lich lie meant to cover the Supplies.
It mutt be in the recolleelion of every Gentleman
who heard him, that the principle of the Union,
which in his opinion had been fo much to the in-
tereft of both Co:.ntries, agreed upon, aaa. a prin-
ciple of complete and entire Union (lithe ( :organ-
ments of the two Countries.—As far as refpated
the Governments, that principle had been corn-
pleteiy carried into eft:t.—lt was no longer an
Uaiun of two Crowns, it was an union of the

Sroverty. But °sting to iOme circumflances
fublillutb Ant.(cedent to the Union, it became tv-
cetfary, for a fhert time, to adminifler the Finan-
ces of the two Conotries in :t ii:parate manner,
and not in that p..rfea Unity which it was the üb-
je.l of the greatca mcaftwe to which he had allud-
ed, to tiled.. As, therefore, at prefent the Fi-
nances of the twoConntries were feparate, it would
be necclfary for him to (late to them in two points
of view, both as they affected Ireland rep:lrately,
and iot conjunaion with Great Britain. He would
now proceed to !late the Lparate Charges, the Mt
of which was the Intereft of the National Debt,
which formed the great Article otf the 3(p-trate
Charge upon Ireland, as the Military sixpence
formed almoll the whole of her joint Charge.
With refpeft to the Debt of Ireland, it would :op-
war to ears accuaomed to the Millions of this

Country, to amount only to a (mall Sum t. it was
at prefent no more than 36,00c,0001. It was,
however, a burthen of great importance to that
Country, and which' had increafed molt rapidlyl
during the prefent war. The proportion of the
Debt of Ireland, at the commencement of the
war, was to the Debt at prefent, in the proportion
of t to 14. Her Debt at that period was to that
of England, as t to too, but now the proportion
of the Debt of Ireland was to that of England, as
1 to to.—But a large part of the Debt of Ireland
was in 5 per Cents, and if they were reduced
to 3 per Cents, in which a great part of the
Debt of England contifted, and if the Irifh Debt
was all reduced to 3 per Cents. then its propor-
' Lion would be as t to 8 to the Permanent Debt of
England.—He mentioned this to thew, that if in
the profecution of the arduous conteft in WhiCll 1%
were now engaged, Great Britain had incurred
great Burthens, Ireland had :the increafed her's,
in a very great degree : She had made very
great financial, and, from the unfortunate lima—
tion in which the had been placed, great
tary exertions, alfo, without murmuring ; and
he mulled from the improvement of her • fitu-
atiou, which he doubted not would be the rcfult
of the Union, the would be enabled to bear
them without difficulty. The intereft upon this
Debt amounted to a larger film than thole who
were only accuttomed to 3 per cents. would at firft
fuppore,-it amounted to 1,696,0001. In this nate-
ment, he did not include the Taxes which it would
be neceffary to lay on in contquence of the Loan
for the fervice of the prefent year. Of this Debt
Ireland had been under the neceffity of borrowing
fo large a fum in England, that the intereft which
the paid to this country amounted nearly to one
million. The Sinking Fund of Ireland, which was
included in the (um he had before mentioned of
1,696,0001. was founded upon the fame principle
as that of this country, which had been introduced
by a Right Hon. Gentleman lately at the head of
the Finance, and which had been attended with
fuch beneficial effeas. The original Sinking Fund
of Ireland was adopted in Ireland, under the pa-
tronage of a Right Hon. Friend of his, and it
then amounted to no more than too,oool. a-year.
It bore a proportion to the Debt of that Country
oft to 70, whereas the Sinking Fund of England,
at its eftablifhment, bore a proportion to the Debt
oft to ago. Since the eftablithment of the Sink-
ing Fund in Ireland, it had paid off about a million
of the Debt, and it now amounted to 400,0001.
a-year. He would fay no more at prefent upon
this part of the fubjeft. The next article of the
feparate charge of Ireland, was thefum of 622,0001.
for the compenfation of Boroughs, which was all
that it was thought defirable to raife in one year.
The next item. was soo,oool. for the improvement
of the inland Navigation, thefe three funs toge-
ther, made fomething more than 2,400p001. which
formed the feparate charge which was to be pro-
vided for by Ireland. With rape& to the pro-
portion of the joint cliarge which Ireland was to
bear, a very large part of it, viz, 4,t50,0001. was
for the MilitaryExpences. The other part of the
joint charge, which was for Civil purpofes,
amounted to above 600 pool. making together!
fomething more than 4.700,0001. This,
of
300,0001. for the Vote of Credit. This, added to
the rum which he had Dated as necefary for the
feparate charge of Ireland, would mal.e whole
amount of the Supplies neccilary to be provided
by Ireland for the prefer* year, above 7,t00,0001.
He would now Date the Ways and Means by
which he propcifed to cover this charge. It was
customary, in the Parliament of Ireland, previous
to the Union, to grant the Supplies from the 25th
of March in one year, to •the 25th of March, in
the next year. Lail year the fame plan was adhered
to, and the Supplies were granted to the ufual
period, and provifion was made accordingly.—
But in confequence of the Aa of Union, the joint
charges between the two countriescommenced from
the ill of Jan. t 8o s, and confeqssantly the Supplies
from that period to the 25th of March, mail be
thrown into the joint eftimate. It would, there-
fine, be necefrary to difappropriate the balances re-
maining in the Treafury of Ireland for the period
he had mentioned, in order to make them applica-
ble to the current Service of the prefent year. The
amount of the balances in the Treafury of Ireland,
on the tit of Jan. 18ot, amounted to 1,697,0001.
betides floo,oool.allie balance of the Loans.—
In addition to thole, were to be taken into confi-
dcration the Revenues of the Country which con-
lifted of the fame leading articles as thefe of Great
Britain, viz. in Port Duties, or in other words, in
Cullom, which, in Ireland, were termed Port-
Duties, in the Inland Duties, in the Afreffed Taxes,
and in the Revenue arifing from the Poll Office.
The Income arifing from the Port Duties amount-
' ed to about 2,500pc01. from Stamps about
150,0001. and from the PoD Office only about
ze,oool. after defraying the charge of collating.'
In eftimating the Revenues of the current year,
he &add form his calculation upon the three quar-
ters of the year tip to Cbriflmas laD; they amount.
cd then to I,Bcoopeol, confequently he fliould take
their whole produce at 2,400,0001. He begged
Icive here to remark that in the Revenue received
in the three quarters upon which he was calculat-
ing, there was nut included any produce of the
duty upon Malt. The reafon of this mutt be ob.
slims to the Committee, the diftrefs of the Country
%%as lb great, that it became necefary to flop the
snaking of Malt. It was true that it was permit.
ted for a fhort time in the month of Oanbcr, but
thoii: who knew the mode in which the amount of
thefe Duties were returned, mull know that the
Officer did not make his return until a motor after
it was collouaed, and that a month's time was
given for its payment, confequently the Docks
which wore during the fbort period that it was al-
lowed to make Malt, did not come into the Trea-
fury until after Chriflmas, and confequently did
not come within the three quarters upon which he
had eftimatcd. lie would take the prosince of this
Duty at itoopool. which would snake the Reve-
nue amount to about 5,600,0001. It had been
anal, is Ireland, to have one or two Lotteries in
the comic of the year, and as he fan nos objeaion
to it, be thould propoth one for the prefent year,
the produce of which he gnash' take at sio,cook

The Aims 7,ipticah'e to then 1 thc prifeilt
year, Ili( i 5,24 7,r-coi.
11.:1.010. Hl :it: Tecalbry I .49 " 400
. BALIIICC of t lit. two . c.OOO
- • -
I.,,tLry • 'qr. 0303

M.tkiry thegaher - - k. 47,000.
From thi• turn there was lc 1,. a deduaton of
for dr.: Loyalists, ',ad not yet heen
paid, :tad sthich it N% AcCeliary to pay as loon as
po(Wok, us order to .rabic thole unfortunate per.
ions to rebt.ild their houses, and to reflore the in-
(airy of the Country. There t+ as alto a fum of
70,0001. to be dedtuted, paid by Ireland to her
Forces in the Garriiiins of Great Britain, which
would leave the Sum iemainiag applicable to the
SCI'VCC of the !. car, 4,947,0c:..1. here Was 411-
other fum AVllich lie had to mutton, though it did
not form a part of tie C'ssisrge or Expenditure of
the prefent tan, and that was about halt a million
of ESclietilier 11111 s, or Ts eafury Bills, as they were
called in became they were calculated in
the Debt which he had /laud, and provided for in
the intetelt. They were, therethre, no charge
upon the public this year, except that, as they were
iffised at 5 per cent. and the money borrowed to
pay them was at rather more than 5 per cent. It
was alto to be obfetved, that as long as they re-
mained Exchequer Bills, there was not the expence
oft per cent. for the Sinking Fund, which would
be nceeffary, as foon as they were funded; but with
the exception of this fum, which did not amount
to above io,oool. they conilituted no part of the
charge of the prefent year. The Ways and Means
being therefore unequal to the fupply of the year,
it became neceffary to borraw the fum 0f2,500,0001.
The Committee would now perceive the manner in
which he propofed to cover the Suppliesof the year.
He fhould now proceed to (tate the new taxes, and
in this part of the fubjea he fhould occupy as little
of the time of the Committee as poffible. The
fum neceffary to be provided as the Intereft and
Charge of the Debt, including the 1 per cent. for
the Smking Fund, would amount to 188,0001. but
in providing the Taxes it would be neceffary
to take into con6deration three other items.—
In confequence of the Union there were to be no
Ditties upon the Exports and Imports from either
Country, and hi the arrangement of the Ditties,
there would be a deficiency on the past of Ireland,
of 60,0001. and that turn it would be neceffary to
make up. There was another (mall fum which he
had to mention, and in which he hoped the Com:
mittee would concur with him in opiniop. It was
with retpea to a Tax upon Ahfentees, which was
very Email in its amount, not exceedinglObol: hot '
as Gentlemen were now bound in duty to attend a
certain part of the year in this Country it would
be ahfurd to snake them liable to a Tax for that
which they did in difcharge of their duty. It
was therefore intended to abandon that Tax.—
Another article by which the Revenue of Ireland
would be diminifited was, the duty on Hops, which
it was neeelfary to reduce to the fame amount that
it was in this Country. This would create a de-
ficiency of 75,0ar01. All thefe fums together
would make the turn necelfary to be provided for
by Tales 263,0001. In feleiting the new Taxes,
it was natural for him to look to thofe of
this Country, and to rely upon the great expe-
rience and authority of the Right Hon. Gentle-
man by whom they were pmpofed. It was betides
defirable, that the Taxes fhould be upon the fame
Articles, if not to the fame amount in the two
Countries, unlefs there was tome local reafon which
rendered it improper. The firft article, therefore,
he fhould have to mention, would be that of Sugar.
—ln point of fait, there was no choice upon this
fubjea ; becaufe, in confequence of the Colonial
Compaa entered into between the two Countries
in the year 1780, it was ftipulated that all articles
fhould come to Ireland from the Colonies fuhjea
to the fame Duties that they came to England,
therefore when the Duties were enervated in Eng-
land they were inereafed in Ireland, and when they
were diminillted in England they were alto dimi-
nilhed in Ireland. The Duty he fhould propofe was
25. per hundred weight, and taking the average
quantity of frgar confumed in Ireland in thecourte
of three yearslaft paft, he should eftimate the Re-
venue arifing from it at 24,00ri1. The next was an
article on which he nutted the Committee would
pardon him if he occupied their attention for a few
moments, while he Rated the difference which fub-
fitted haween the mode of colleaing the Duty in
this Country and in Ireland. The Duty was paid
according to the quality of the Tea. viz. black tea
of 25. a pound paid a Duty of sfll. and green tea
of 7d. a pound; the Duty increa(ed upon every 6d.
incrcafc in the price of a pound of tea ; the erred,
of this was, that the Duty only attacked when •
there was an increafe of 6d. in the pound; he
fliould now propofe to make the Duty operate ac-
cording to the regular and gradual inereafe of the
price. This alteration, with the Duty, would
make the whole amount to about 35 per cent.
making the increafe not more than 6 or 8 per cent.
The duty even now with this increafe would be
lower than it was in England. The next fource
to which lie looked for an increafe of Income was
the Poft-office. The number of perfons entitled to
frank in Ireland had been, in confequence of the
Union, diminifhed by two-thirds, exclufive of the
Peers and thole who were entitled to frank mull
neceffarily pats a confiderable part of their rtrix ;a
this Country—But he did r,zz, (oink he fhould be
litatttfied is lool.eatg for a greater font in addition to
the prtfint revenue of the Poft-orsee than 5,0001.
:rite next article was an additional Duty upon
iStamps,.upon Notes, sills of Exchange, Receipts,
Bonds, (for the payment of money, not for the
performance of Contrails), and Pellicles of Incur-
's:res. There west nearly the fame articles which
were the objeas of taxation in this Country, with
the exception of Deeds, upon which it was not his
intention to propofe a Duty. It was not fo eary to
eltimate the produce of this tax in Ireland as it
would be in England, from the different regulation
with refpea to Stamps and the different mode of
keeping their accounts. He could not, therefore,
venture to Ilate, with any certainty, what the
amount of the Tax would be, but he did not think
it could produce more than 5,0001. lie had alto
to pi swore a Tax upon Policies of lidiarance,

o Inch did hithztto not hefOre in Leland. The
undowriters of this Country were afraid, tir,:in
the increafe in the Stamp that pel for.s
' would be induced to go over to Ireland, and ,:urn
Offices there. But as there was little infurance
in Ireland, molt if it being done. .n linglard,
that Tax upon iks:icies of Infurance would not in-
jure the Trade of Ireland, and itavould only par-
vent them from going to Ireland, in order to evade
this Tax in this Country.—'rlicre was another ra.-
tide which he had to mention, and to Which he
begged the psaticular attention of die Committee,
he meant Coals. He begged to dept.ecate nialt
earnellly, being snifundertlood upon this fubj:a;
becaufe any milconception might create (~a1
fiderable alarm. In eourequeitre of the Union
no Duty could be levied upon he prodwe
either Country going to the other. Hen:vain
there was a duty in this Country upon Coals ;tang
to Ireland of about sod. per ton, producing a
Revenue of aboutl7,oool. it year. This duty could
not now be collected in England, and, therefore,
it was propolcd to coiled it in Ireland ; but he
hoped no miltakc could arife upon the fubjed ;• it
was not intended to lay any additional burthen
upon Ireland. He was anxious that no alarm be
created either among the Colliers of this country Or
the Manufadurers of Ireland, for there would be
no incrcate in duty, it was merely intended to coi-
led a duty which had been raifed in this Country;
in Ireland; and if the Coal Trader in Ireland fhould
attempt to make this a pretext to raife the price of
the article, it would be impoffible for him to avoid
detedion, and that difgrace which would belong
to fuch dithentelly. Having faid thus much to
prevent the poffibility of being rnifiniderftood upon
this point,he fhould propore a duty upon Coals of
sod. a ton, which would produce the flame fum in
that country that the duty produced in this country
while it citified. Thefe films taken altogether make
about 98,0001. It would be neceffary for him to
mention one other item. The Committee would
recoiled that in the obfervations he had made he
had taken no notice of the Diftillcries of Ireland.
In the Revenue' for three-quarters of a year, upon
which he had founded his calculation, the Dillil-
leries were not included ; heeaufe in confequence
tof the pretfure of the times they had been flopped.
In other Teats the Revenue arising from the Dil-
-1 tilleries had amounted to 400,0001. and lonic-
'times near half a million. In the month of August
haft permiMon was given to diflil from Sugar, in
confequence of which there had been a confider-
able increafe in the importation of fugar; but as
the port duties upon the fugar were taken off when
'it was allowed to be diddled, the income was of
courfe fund', and the excite duty %men the fpirits
fo diftilleadid not exceed 55,0001. There was great
reafon to exped that the importation of sugar this
year would be confiderable ; he had fpgken of
thgar before, but he wished to keep dillinkt that
which was for the ordinary confumption, from that
.which wits for the purpofe of diddling. The or-
divary confumption of fpirits in Ireland in far •ner
years was between three anti flair
lons ; but it was not poilible that the confer:spools
conld be as great this year as it seas upon'former.
occalions. The thilrels of the country Mutt da
minith the oonitimprion from the want of means
of purchafing. Betides, the high, price of fpirits
would give encouragement to trituggling, and to
the diddling from grain in the dills in the mottn;
tains.. from all theft eircumflances he was nelit
difpofed to take the confumption this year at snore
than one-third of the ufual quantity, and there-.
fore he (lonid calculate the duty upon the digit
imported for the purpofe of diddling at i oOpoot
He fhould alto have to ,propoce an Excite Duty
upon all Spirits which were fir .diflilled, which
would be lower than the duty of hill 'year, and
would amount to as. 3d. a.gallon. This would..
he efiimated, produce about 2.12,0001.- There tem
fums, with the produce of the Taxes which he had
before mentioned, would more than cover, as
the Committee would perceive, the fum which It
wasmicelfary to raife by taxes in the prefent year.
He had now, as fitortly as be was able, dated the
Supply and Ways and Means of the year, but
there was one fubjed upon which' he wfthed to
trefpfs for a few moments longer on the attention
of the Committee. It had been kis ed in another
piece, in the debate which took place refpeaiirg
the Union, that it would cited a fusing to Ireland.
It was not neceffary upon this part of the ftibjea
to go into very minute (*rations, but he thought
it right to inquire what was the laving to Ireland,
and what was the additional bnrthen which Eng-
land incurred in confequence of the Union. Thetid
was, that by the Union there would arife to Ireland
a fusing of jut One Million. It would befaid then,
that if Ireland did not pay, England loulattil
that if Ireland had a fasting Of Me Million, Eng-
land muD of courCe -Imre had an adiiitioniii bur-
then to an equal atnour.t. In point of fad, the'otrir
additional burthen which Great Britain svould have
to pay would be 369,0c01. which formed the 'FA:-
ference between the expellee co(lreland,4allich v.. 16
4,717,0001. and her prnportion uf erpendi-
cure, trhich amounted to 4,3laissoecti. "nbody could
lament more fin.cerely diastase did, the unfortunate
ncecflity which reified, i.fa-aa'aisiviring fo large .1
Force in Ireland ; but upon this titbjed,thc Com-
mittee would, he hoped, bear this in their conti-
deration. When the• a:ntlemcn of Ireland al-
Inte tm.:4lA;enztiily concurred in -,e-,-r:far!r:g
date of that Country to be foch, as to TUtithre
the pretence of a large Military Force, lie did
taoß rarneftly deprecate, that the Houfe fhould
draw a general conclafion from a particular fat!.
True it was, as the Gentlemen of Ireland had
Rated, that Force was neceffary for the Wity of
the Country; but he deprecated the idea of that
date/nem conveying the real
etlabliflied charac-
ter of the People of Ireland. He hoped and be-
lieved the lioute had too much jettice to miftake
the temporary phrenty and ddiriata of a te.ver.
for the fecied and permanent ditpaition of the
People of Ireland. It was undoubtedly true,
that a Inge portion of them had been &laded
into acts of violence, but he triitted they would
loon he reformed, and that they wash! be worthy
to-be admitted into the Nablus and ativaion% of
their fellow fnbjeds in England. They w;a/41
'thews be was tel fad a gratefid recatitaioa .
Ei

the exertions of many of the Nobility and Gentle.l
men of this Country,who had fo nobly fled to their
protection. He trotted that the People of Ireland I
would, by their future conduit, redeem their ch..-
iader, which had lately been injured by the mil-
ccauluet of a part of them, and which, lie hop.
t J, would not atEd the minds either of the Peo•
picot England, or of Foreign Nations agtioi
them.—lt would indeed be unjuil in deciding
upon the charadcr of a Nation, to draw gene-
ral conclulions fican particular fads. The dia-
-1 :ider of Irithmen was that of a liberal, brave,
candid and
r•enerous Pe,:ple—with many errors
midoubtedly, hut not addicted to any vie. deltrue-
tive of the aoud of Society. It wonid be injurious
tut he People of this Country as well as of Ireland,
;-,n judge of their natural enaraCter fiem there
iLttcn.ants, It would Lend to prevent the Englilli
C:Titalift from going ov-r to Ireland, and in-
rrear...g his own wealth, whale he added to the ge-
ichcs and indullry of the Country. The
'prorpeCt held out in Ireland to the Englilh Capi-
talitt was highly tempting, whether be was in-
clined to rise:Nil:tee in land or in manafadares. If
he willied to adventure as a farmer, Ireland held
out advantages fuperior to thole lie cotil,l Fill in
this country, or, perhaps, in any country in En.
rope. The climate rendered it particularly favour-
able for agricultural purfuits, and the iniprovement
of the Inland Navigation would, he lied no donht,
Aieedily produce the molt beneficial effets. He
felt peculiar plealure in looking to Ireland, becaufe
it afforded the prorped of becoming the Granary
of this country, of preventing a recurrence of that
dithers which we now felt, and of rendering ns in-
dependent of that precarious fupply which we now
draw, fubjea to the caprice or enmity of Foreign
Powers. Ireland,by furnilhing a fupply at onrown
doors, would mike us ‘vholl y independent of all the
Powers, and at the fame time the would materially
benefit her own marine. lie truited, therefore,
that the people of this country would not be
frightened from embarking with their capitals for
that country, by flatements which, though for the
purpofe fpr which they were mentioned, yet could
not be confidered as defcribing the general cha-
ender of the people of Ireland. Mr. CORRY then
begged pardon for 'troubling the Committee fo
long. and concluded with moving his Refolutions
reiPeCting the Taxes.
Sir Jona PARIIF Li. made lime general obfer-
vations on that part of the Right Hon. Gentleman's
ttafement, which refpeeted the feparate charges of
Ireland. He %tithed to know whether the Hon.
Gentleman withed to avail himrelf of the balances
of tall year, whatever arrears might then be due?,
Mr.Corry,:terors the table, replied in the affirma-
uve, with milled to the balances as they appeared
on the zit of January Tall.] Sir Joint then ob-
leacel to the mode of ttatement, as tending to mill
lead. The balance in the Treafury, on the t R of
January, was !heed as exceeding one million ; but,
at the fame time, the arrears amounted to above
si6oo,ocaol. to that there appeared a deficiency of
600,0001. to make good the difference between
the balance and the arrears ; the rublic, therefore,
fo far from having an advantage from the balance,
ought to be hated as proportionally lofers to the
above amount. Viewing the 'Ulric& in this light,
he begged to know of the Right Hon. Gentleman
how all the balance could now be brought into
credit, and made to operate in favour of the Ways
and Means? The arrears, whether amounting to
nearly the fame fum, or whatever the amount
might be, ought, in his mind, to be deduaed from
the general account. With regard ro the Loan
and the Taxes propofed, if together,they but little
exceeded five million:, they would make but an
infurficient provifion for the expellees of the year.
When he looked to the circuniftances of Ireland,
and the balance of trade which was to much
againit her, he molt confider the rya= of frefh
Loans as dearudive to that country. By paying off
the intereft of the former debt by a new was
the firit Rep leading to a National Bankruptcy.
There had been a law mitred in the LIR Parliament
of Ireland, enabling the public to borrow t 400,0001.
in addition to the ufual 'Supplies of the year. Why
then was 600,0001. now to be brought forward as a
charge, if the means of providing for this rum was
made the tall year? With refpea to the expences
of Ireland contwaed with this country, the whole
of which were incurred in Ireland, although not to
be paid there, Sir JOHN raid, he could not We how
thefeexpences could be brought fo lo w as 4,600,0001.
The expences of Ireland IA year had amounted to
(even millions, betides an additional fum accruing
of 700,0001. there was the intereit of the debt pay-
able by Ireland of 1,600,0001. amounting in all to
the rum of 9,3be,0001. fo that after deducting that
part of the debt chargeable on Ireland, there would
(till remain the (urn of 2,300,0001. to be placed to
the account of Great Britain. But when the. Right
lion. Gentleman called of the advantage to Ire-
land from part of the expence falling upon Great
Britain, he mutt remind him of the former fitua-
tion of Ireland, and of the additional expcnce of
her fepamtreharge in consequence of the Uni-
on- Her whole expence in the.-year of the re-
bellion was 3,f00,0cr01. and nowlie.paid at the
rate of (even roillizms. "Sr jautTaki that with
retina military eitablillnent, the argument
of the Right Hun. Gentleman appeared to him
more fpecious than folid r that England paid no-
eniag adakmr.t, from the whole army's being lia-
ble to ferve in this country ireirettinitances fo re-
quired; for it ought to be confidercd that England
paid that at prefent, which the would not have
been liable to according to the former bargain
w:th Ireland. If Britill troops formerly ferved
Boland, Ireland was bound to pay them; but if
there troops Wrved in Ireland now, And England
was hound to pay them, the thus incurred an ad-
tfitional charge to which the would not have been
liable formerly. With regard to the etpences of
Ireland, he was forty to remark, that they were
every year increafing, nor did he fee any pro-
rpeta of their diminilhing, for articles of gamic!
Wert alnicift daily brought forward, although it
might hare -aeon espetted from the Union, that
as die array of a dabs!! Government, Offices be-
came unneceffary, that a conliderable reduaion
of expence might have been elated. 1 number
of articles of amnesty, altheogb trivial is them-

felvcs, had been incurred, and he thought it was
the duty of the Imperial Parliament to look into
tlit m ; tor, theugh Imall in themfelves, they con-
, fidei.thly increaled the aggregate amount, and
th• ae was this advantage from Great Britain has.
ing joined in the cxpences of Ireland, that it he-
. came her interett to fee that there was no unnecel.
iary expenditure. He trufled, therefore, that the
atten•hm of the Hunk would be particularly di.
reaed to the affairs of Ireland. With relpeft to
the tones, Ireland paid its proportion to the whole
1:t ..!S of the Empire, hctidcs which, there were
several whhli operated as local taxes. This re.
mark applied to Gentlemen from Ireland, 11,m-
-' hers of Parliament, and others coming to wide
in this country, who, in several refpeEts, might
he laid to he doubly taxed. After briefly noticing
the pi opolition of transferring the Coal Ditty front
EiTland to Ireland, the increased PottlOtfice
Duty, Sc. Sir John laid, he timid,' defer till ano-
ther oppoi utility his remarks in l:etail upon thefe
objeffs of taxation. With regard to the Will-
i
dow Light Ditty, he would just Rate, as a pe-
' enliar hartithip, that in Ireland this Duty was
continued to the end of the year, although
the Occupiers of bottles did not continue the
fame number of windows • this he confidered as
contrary to the principle of the Union, which was,
that there fhould be no leverer mode of taxation in
Ireland than in England. Sir John faid, that it
had not been Rated front what provilion the fuper-
abundance of expence falling uryin England was
to be paid, although he fuppofed it, was to he out
of the Exchequer. He was convinced that the ea-
pences of Ireland had risen in fuch a rapid propor-
tion, efpeciallj within the latt two years, that by
an accumulation of debt, the ruin of that country
would be accelerated. He could not avoid re-
that grants of money had been made of
late wi,t an unufual profufion. He could not help
looking to that article of Union, that whenever
the debt of Ireland arofe to the proportion of two
t7tlis of the debt of Great Britain, that then the
fyitem of taxation lhould be equalized in both
countries; but if this .fhould ever be the cafe, it
would ruin the countryinf Ireland. He wilhed that
whatever the expences of Ireland were, that they
might be provided for as far as poffible within the
year, for otherv:ife, to promote a fyllem of increaf-
ing Loans, would prove ruinous to both countries.
11r. CORRY laid, that the Right Hon. Baronet
called for a diminution of the expences of Ireland,
but he muff know that this could not be effeded
till the prefent Rate of that country was changed;
but whenever that fhould happen, he might be af-
lured there would be a redudion of expences. The
(late of its Military Ellablifhment, during feveral
fucceflive years, had been the principal cattle of the
additional expence, together with the increafing
interell of the debt. But feweiral articles, under the
bead of Compenfations,Navigation,&c. amounting
' to a considerable fum, would gradually ceafe, and
caufe a proportionable decreafe of the National
Expenditure. What the Right Hots. Baronet had
Rated, that if the Taxes were infufficient to cover
the Loan, the country was going to ruin, was trite,
as a propofition abilradedly considered, but what
he had had the honour of bringing forward more
than covered the expenditure. With refped to the
balances, the Honourable Gentleman had Rated
their amount three quarters of a year back, whereas
he had Rated their amount on the tft of January,
1864 the day when the Union between the two
countries was to take died, and which balances
amounted on that day to the fum of 1,697,0001.
Sir Jour. PARNELL'faid it feemed to him extra-
ordinary whence this balance was to arife, as the
atual expences of the former year were Rated as
only fufficient for the purpofes of it. By the autho-
rity of Parliament. the whole of the money voted
was appropriated, and therefore he fufpeded that
fuch balances would ROC arife, as well as that the
propofed Taxes would not cover the deficiency.—
Nor was the Right Hon. Gentleman, in his opi-
nion, authorifed to take the balance in the Trea-
fury on the tff of January, as applicable to the
fervice of the current year, inafmuch as there were
debt's to an equal, if not a greater amount,then due.
Mr. Cour affured the Right Hon. Baronet,
that every poffible attention had been paid by the
proper Officers to bring forward every account ;
for this purpofe they had laboured indefatigably
during the ufual time of recefs at the Chrillmas
'Holidays, and that every account poflible might
be paid of. The Treafury had been Run from the
aph of December to the sth of January ; the fum
due from the :sth of December to the IR of Ja-
nuary (the day when.the Union took effect) was
=clarify brought to the account of the prefent
year. The Honourable Gentleman knew that
there were certain items of the Civil Lift always
neceffarily in arrear, and from which (mall funs
might unavoidablyremaia due; but there were none
which would not in due courfe be altogether liqui-
dated. 'The mod extraordinary exertions had been
made to difcharge every thing that could be dif.
charged; and nothing was left of fo important a
nature as to warrant the charge that the arrears
were not provided for.
Sir lona P raid, he knew that there mud
unarottishiy be cialderable arrears, and that as
they were incapable of being paid off, to likewife
there mull lx: balancesleft affirat, but as credit ought
not to be given for the arrears, neither ought cre-
dit to be taken for the balances. He dill doubted
whether the balances at the :ft of January could
be made applicable to the expences of the current
year, and for the remainder of the Loan to be
brought forward.
The quedion was than put upon the Refolutions,
when, the Houfc being reamed, the Report was
ordered to be received-to-morrow.