Star.
London, England, 1805-01-16 00:00:00

ROUSE OF COMMONS.

The SPEAX FR, in his rubes, accompanied by rental Members,
entered the Houle about half palt two o'clock. Soon after three
the Deputy Other of the Black Rod fununoned the Houle to the
Houfe of Peers in the ufual terms. The Speaker, and the Mem-
bers at the time adlnibled, left the Houle of Commons to attend
his Majesty accordingly. On his return, the Speaker having un •
robed, proceeded in form to the bufinefs of the Sefton.

The bPEAKER acquainted the 1 Joule that he had ordered neve
writs to be 'Cued fur the following places : Warwichlhlre, in the
room of Sir G. A. W. Shurkburgta t velyn dcceafed ; Dumfries,
in the room of Sir Robert Laurie; and Ti,tnefs, in the room of
John Berkeley Burland, Ell.
Several Members were neat called to be fworn,aniong whom
were Mr. Futter. Chancellor of the Exchequer for Ireland; Mr.
Hope, Sir Evan Nepean, and Sir J. Stuart. Mr. George Balkan
Mainwaring, and two more Members, were Ulm-wife (worn, and
took their rests.

The SPEAKER moved the ufual unmet Cammtttees on the
Expiring Laws ; and among them, the Clandeftine Outlawry
Statute.—a(Many of our readers know that this is a pro Ansa Bill,
introduced at the commencement of every Parliament, ui order to
alert the right and privilege 'tithe Commons to proceed upon any
hulloes of public concern, previoudy to taking into congideratian
any 4scch or met ageexadog from the Throne.)

Write were Weed far the Cos* lilted, in the nisi et
.ad Carbon, decrafed ; the Devizes, in the reset "(the Right
lire. Henry Adangton, called up to the Haute of Peers ; Tows
of Duckinglimu, in the room of lord Praby, deceefed; County"(
Leitrim. is the room of Lord Clement% now Vircoent Leitrim ;
midahlgtee and Dealer. M the room of the Right Hem Themes
Maitland, appointed Governor of Ceylon ; Welt Lome, in the room
of junto Baer, kfq. who has accepted of the Chiltern Hundred',
Peebles, in Mc room of Sir John Montgemerie, appointed his Ma.
jeity's Advocate for Scotland ; and for Edinburgh, in the room of
Charks Hope, 14 appointed Lord Janice Clerk for Scotland.

Thefe (event motions haring been pot and carried.
The SPEAKER rote to acquaint the Hoof', that
that Hnsfe had been to the Houle of Lords, where

his Majelty had been gracioully pleated to add refs a
Speech from the Throne, to his two Houfes of Par-
liament, of which, to prevent minakes, he bad pro-
cured a copy. The Speaker then read his Majeay's
sn ‘it gracious Speech.
The Hun. Mr. DILLON rote.—He knew it was
afoul to view the Addrefs moved on occafions like
the prefent as merely the echo of the fpeech ; an
which had certainly been, with few exceptions,
in every infante of motions of this nature.
it ever there was an infante to the contrary, it
tbruld not be afforded by him that night; for he
molt cordially concurred with his Majelty in every
fentiment of his gracious fpeech : and under the
circumfiances of the moment, it was doubtlefs ob-
vious to all, that never was unanimity more defirable
than now. One topic in the Speech, he was perfuad-
id, would be read with more than common inte-
reft, as the fubjeft on which it retied would caufe
unfual joy and fati.faftion. This was that part which
related to the communications of a pacific nature,
made by France to our Government. The intelli
genre of that communication would be received by
all claffes of people, with that joy and fatisfailtion
indeed, which pacification might well be expefted to
induce; though from the neceffary referee obferved,
as to the terms of fuch communication, fober men
would mingle with their fatisfaltion, caution, with
their joy prudence. He Would not, however, dwell
longer on that point. We mull wait the refult of
Aide meafures which his Majelty in his wifdom had
taken, in confequence of the communication of thofe
pacific fentiments of our enemy which had been
avowed. Yet though it was not more than becom.
ing in us to forbear from dircufGon on that topic, it
was impoffible not to regard the overtures made as
of the utmcft moment. With refpelt to one of the
points in the Speech from the Throne, that which
related to the war with Spain, the Houle could enter
into no difeuffion till the papers were before it. One
thing he would fay, that every thing which our Go-
vernment could do to prevent a rupture with that
Power he felt allured our Government had done.—
The view given in the Speech of our fituation with
regard to the Continent, would (hike Gentlemen as
affording the molt flattering and cheering profpoi for
Europe. The fentimenv the Emperor of Ruffia was
known to entertain afforded the utmoft fatistaftion ;
fentiments the more to be relied on, as they were his
uniform fentiments. Hence, whatever might be the
turn the communications of France would take, he had
well-founded reafon to think, that the fafety and fecuri-
ty of Europe would be permanently advanced by the
fentiments and difpofitions of the Continent. Again,
the means of defence poffeffed by us were vast. Our
force of every defcription was on the molt refpcita-
ble footing. Laft rummer oar forces were confide-
nbly augmented, and in no one refixed could our
force be faid to be otherwife than powerful, eaten-
five, and well combined. If we Would turn our eye
to another (loader of the empire, we Would find that
there too we were formidable. He alluded to Ire-
land. Ireland was in a molt refpe&able fituation of
defence. There were other topics, which, however,
were ufual in addreffes of this kind, and on which he
Wald not detain the Houfe with many obfervations.
—At a future period, the Houfe would deliberately
turn its attention to thofe topics, and all the other
important fubjeas. But he could not help obferving
that the (late of cur public credit was never more
profperous. However heavily the burtbeni of the
country were felt, however great the expences cf our
eltablithments, however the war had added to our
burthens, notwithltanding thole inunenk facrifices
neceffarily made by us fur the general defence, yet
the fund was at this momat increafing, and had, in
an almo(t unparralleled manner, increafed, for the
sedultion of the national debt. Under thefe cir-
cumftances, and having dwelt hut nightly on the
principal points in his Majelly's Speech, he Mould
now conclude by moving an Addrela to his Majelty,
humbly thanking him for his molt gracious Speech.
—The Hon. Gentleman accordingly concluded by
moving an Addrefs, which was, as anal, an echo
of the Speech.
The SPEAKER havinp,put the queftion,
Mr. CHARLES ADAMS rote to fecond the mo-
tion. The fpeech his Majelty had been gracioully
pleated that day to addicts to them from the Throne
called for the unanimous thanks of every man in
that Haute, and of the country. What we were
told in the fpeech, of the fituatlon of our force, and
means of national and general defence, was indeed
flattering, but not at all more flattering than inn.
Our force was, to adopt the language of his Hon.
Friend, in a molt refpeltable (late. It never was
fo mach fo. We had been threatened with en inva•
lion of our Chores fur the conquelt of our Wand, and
we nut only defended ourfelves, but blockaded every
port of our enemy, from the Tenet to the Adriatic.
It was true, we had a new enemy, an enemy, he
tc.ireit, milled by weak councils, overawed by the
nitiirce., and intimidated by the Mandates of a del:
ti4iic ally. This enemy bad been treated by us with
uncommon lenity. Spain, though carrying on pro-
leas, or abetting intcrefts, the molt hollile to us,
had experienced a forbearance at our bands, of which
certainly there had been no example given by any
nation of which he had ever heard or read. This
was our conduit towards that nation, when !he was
carrying on againit us mealhres of an undoubted
warlike tendency. We were not, furely, to. remain
indifferent to thefe things for ever. We were not to
behold Spain combining the matte, if not of fitc-
cefiful, doubtlefs, of alarming refillawee, while ottr
ttndernefs seas a criminal forbearance, fmking into
putillanimity. From the conduit of Spain, from
what Spain did, we had no alternative but to op
pure force to force. ( A cry of hear! bear 1 from the
L'hancellor of the Exchequer.) Thus far of the
conduit of Spain. He Would fay no mote of it,
intil the requifite doenments &mkt be laid befoft
'he Houk. In regard to the communications from
.t.e enemy, they were of a charaftex *Was Wan

be had no era to detain' the Hours any longer, be
felt. however. ought to be noticed. They formed a
onnt feature of his Majeity's fpiech • ' and the
lleeiand the Country would view them under a
point which could not but lead men to appreciate
them as in the higheft fenfe important. He was
happy at thofe communications ; GOD grant the
communications might be fincerel he hoped they
were. He knew we amid treat them with mode-

ration, wifdom, and franknefs, ritalkd only by our
fincerity. But whatever &add happtn, be Would
"encore to predia, that this nation %vas ttt►er in a
prouder Rate, commercial, Isancial, and. military,
than at that moment when be had the honour to be

addreflieg the Houk. Our finances ---vre
our armies refpatable, and the profpett of our in-
tereas on the Continent fuck as ought to Batter
every hope. Altogether, he felt confident. that the
Houle would vote, with him, to carry up its afar.
ances of its- firm and Ready (upport of his
the Throne, and the Empire. in this crifis, the mutt
momentous that Great Britain or Europe ever cape-

Mr. FOX rote—He &mild trouble the Houfe with
but very few words. What he meant to fay, Would

produce no oppornion. He thould dire& hiire marks

io one or two points. Before doing fo, it occurred to
him as proper, however, to obferve that two omiffions
appeared to him in his Majefly's (peed), and one in
the addrefs. This omimon he would notice ara.

While we were uninformed what thole tonfidential

fubjefts, or confidential interferences were, which
demanded our applying to the powers of the Conti-
nent, or rendering them in any &ape parties to the
communications of France, we were dented to at-

lure bis blajelly, that we approved his deterasina-
tion not to explain the nature of thole communica-
tions, until he has had intercourfe with certain

powers. Now, though if this were undertlood gene.
rally, or if he underitood it, there might be no differ-
ence of opinion, yet as he did not -know, and was
not permitted to know, thole circumltances which

called for intercourfe with other powers, be molt
think that the Addrefs pledged the Houfe to too
much ; pledging it to approbation of the determina-
tion not to explain at prefent the nature of the cbm-
munications in quellion. But as to this explanation
in itfelf, he, for one, mua confefs that he law no ne-
ceffity for any explanation, but what appeared al-
ready on the face of the fpeech : for his Majety
there expreffes himfelf clearly, making profeCfions of
a with for peace. His Majelty lays direly, that he
entertains this with, but can give no farther expla•
nation until he has confulted certain powers, not
allies indeed, but powers with which he has certain
difcuffions, certain confidential intercourfe. As he
had it was impotfible to judge of the propriety
of all this, till we knew the nature of that confiden•

tial intercourfe, though if be knew it, he might per.
haps be one to approve ; but bow could the Houk,
or he, approve of a flatement, the occstion and cir-
cumflances of which they did not know ? The omit.
fion in the Addrefs he Roulet not mention. He
owned he did cape°. when he firtt learned the name
of the Honourable Gentleman who was to snore the
Addrefs, that omiffion could not occur. To what
he alluded was the emancipation of the Catholics.
The Honourable Mover had indeed mentioned Ire-
land, but not a word of Catholic Emancipation.—
The hopes cf the Catholics were much increafed
when the Right Hon. Gentleman loft entered on
office; but unfortunately, office changes completions
and colours, fo that men are prefen tly not to be met
with the fame faces. We were told that the Union
would heal up all wounds. would be a defence and_
fecurity againit all dangers; but it was to Catholic
Emancipation to which that Union was to lead, that
we were taught mainly to look for our great defence
in Ireland. The belt defence is a union of fend.
meat; the belt foundation for the union of countries,
is the union of the people in affection to their Go-
vernment. The bell defence for Ireland would be
this union, to which the emancipation of the Catho-
lics could alone pave the ways and he had expeaed,
that for thefe, and other mafons very obvious, the
Hon. mover of the Addrefs would have introduced
the fubjea of the Catholics of Ireland. Thtre were
other omit ions. but of a different ntoure there oc.
curred in the Speech. To be fore. they were omit.
lions lets important, but yet remarkable. He had
always underßood that when a Minillechad, during
the recefs of Parliament, taken tneafbris for the de-
fence of the country, that the Speech contained com-
pliments to the Minilter, or congrattilations to the
nation, on the matures adopted. and the effeas
produced. When he confidered the sights he had
fat up, and the time employed in the difcuffion of
the lira meafures, as Om' faid, and others denied,
of the new Adminiltration. in this country, be did
expel that the Houfe &odd not have been told, in
general terms, of the excellence of our Volunteers,
the bravery of our Navy,the general armed ilrength
of the State, the fpirit of the people, and the like ;
but that we should have been, on the contrary told,
of the effeas of thefe wife and falutary meafures Tibia
conftituted the difference between an aisniniftration
of imbecility or not ; which difference, we were told.
would be ken in the gcod effeas produced, and the
advantages the country derived. Hadthe country de•
rived advantages ? He believed it had not. He rather
thought, noble was of opinion, that thofe meafures
had completely failed. One of two things mull be
done, however ; either it mull be proved, that the
meafures in quellion have been fuccefsful, and have
provided the requifne means of ineirealing our armed
force, and of defending the country, or another bill
mutt be deviled and brought in for thole porpofes.-4-
There is nothing in the speech to point oat what. if i
necelLary, loch a bill ought to contain. So that he
wit fearful his Majelty would at laR feel °Wised to
adopt the fuggeßions of others, of thofe of his own
Ade, inßead of the fuggeßions of Minifters. He
remembered that his loggeßioes, and thofe of the
Right Hon. Gentleman, were once In unifun al lb
the means of defence, in one tefped ; but when the
Rho Hon. Gentleman was told by his opponents,
that his foggeftions were unavailing, it might ban
appeared tU of sa of pontion : he has changtd po-
fitsos, tied what is the ei of his meaftwe for the
detente and fectnity of the cotmtry i why nothing at
Dropping this MO, there was one fehtence
in the Speech, ea which he would make one, and
bet, one Seenark: This was, that which glanced at
the war with Spam, He Ihould not go into the
ditaii of this topic, until the pews &Mild be before
the node it temild he waw&, itt the *Wild of

the Materials. 13 at if on the gesmil qttellion of that
war, he chore to be fileat, he could not, with re-
gard to Come of the eircurnltaaces which' preceded
it. The circumaance molt in his recallealtin, *as
that of the feizure of the Spanilh frigates He was
afraid this reiture would prove not eery of jallifita-
lion. To fay the leak it did appear to hitt an
unfairly ad. It was never the time for commit-
ting fuch ads when we were reproaching France
with her outrages and iriolenee. It was not a time
whei we mete urging those outrages and that vio-
lence, as aggravated grounds of war; we &cold
flan" clear front filch charges, when we are reproach-
ing France. Undoubtedly France has been guilty of
outrages. and
,of violations of the law of nations,
which no hunianeman can but lament, and which

no honeft man will approve. We !boilid feel com-
pletely difappoiated, however, if while at war—if
while part of the Round of war was the condua of
France to othet nations, charges of outrages were
brought againft ourfelves. We are now in a new
war ; and though the Honourable Seconder and he
Might not have thought alike concerning the princi-
ple of the la war, or even fuppofing they were
both of opinion that that was juft, yet be alma be al-
lowed, in confidesing this new war, to confider the
queftion of jultice. He mull examine accordingly,
our new canfe of war. In beginning a new war, it
was material that the objea &mild be jut' and mode-
rate. When we are engaged; we Ihould be careful
riot to be guilty of outrage, or violence. It ought
not to 1* in the power of the world to infinuate that

outrages were committed on one fide and on the
other—for then, as to the nations of the Continent
(thufe nations whofe independence and freedom we
profefs to with to reftore), would view themfelves as
from our common injultice, outrages, and violence,
involved in a common danger; fo ready to exclaim,
that they could not help themfelves, that they could
not help being facrificed, whatever was the event of
the war between the great powers. Our interell and
our duty, prefcribed the reverie of violence and out-
rage. We ought to be not only jutl, but moderate;
nay, even our equity and our jultice thould be fame-
thing uncommon ; for even in tome refpeets to appear
to exceed tnerejullice, to exetcife a gencrofity above
it, might be advantageous to our caufe, and benetl.
dal to our interefis. We might ad wifely, and (kill
ad with a generAity beyond arid juftice, and par-
ticularly in the application and exercife of power.
To thefe obtervations he would not add more at
that time.
As Coon is Mr. Fox fat down,
The CIIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
rote and fpoke ()softly io reply. He did not conceive
it necetiary, at that time, to trouble the Houle with
many obfervations, but he thought it neceirary to al-
lude to a few things which had fallen from the Hon.
Gentleman in the courfe of his fiseech. The Hon.
Gentleman bad expteffed tome degree of furprife
that the nature of thofe communications with tome

of the Continental Powers alluded to in his Majefty's
Speech had not been more diflinEtly explained to the
Houle. He had declared it to be impoffible to
judge of the neceflity of making a communication of
the recent overture of the French Government, with-
out knowing on what terms our relations with there
Powers now Rood. He confelred he thought that
the Speech did Rate what was fatly kfficient to war-
rant fuck a communication. It Rated diiiindly, that
confidential communications did fubfiß betwixt his
Majeßy and tome of the Continental Powers; and
it gave the Hoofe afrurances of the magnanimous
fentiments entertained by the Emperor of Rullia, re-
lative to the higheft interefts of Europe, as well sts
the fecurity and independence of this Country. AU
thofe then who agreed that in forming any Peace
we should look to the fituation of the Continent. and
think of the moft effeEtual means of efiablifking thofe
ancient relations which French ambition had over-

thrown, MR be of opinion that the Speech had dif-
clofed all that it was now neceffary to difcover, and
would acquiefee in the expediency of being content-
ed with what his Majelly had laid before the Houfe.
He admitted that a period would come when the
Houfe would have a fair right to demand much
more ample information, but he flattered himfelf they
were fully aware that circum Rances might exill which
would render it equally imprudent and iinpulitic to
enter into a minute or particular defcription of our
relations with the Ccntinental Powers. He hoped,
therefore, that the information furnifhed by the speech
would, in the mean time, be received as faiiifadory
under all circutnflances. As to the other points to
which the Hon. Gentleman had alluded, being eon-
melted with fubjefts which might, ip all probability, at
no remote period, engage the attention of the Houfe,
W thought it unneceffary for him to go now into any
length of difcutfion. He tould not help raying a few
words on what the Honourable Gentleman had term-
ed omiffions in the Speech. The Honourable Gentle.
man had begun will exprelling his aßonifliment that
the Rate of Ireland was not even alluded to ; and
had argued, that till the fituation of the Irini Catho-
lics was taken into contideration, that country never
could enjoy any thing like permanent tranquillity or
repofe. In the broad view which the Honourable
Gentleman took of the quetuion, it wa► isigotlible for
Ireland ever to enjoy the fmalleit advantage from the
Union, till the meafures which he appeared defirous
of recommending were aflually puttied. For his
part he had a very different view of the fubjell, for
though Ireland, certainly, had not derived all the
advantages froM the Union, which that meafure was
capable of affording, he would Maintain that great
advantages had already attended it, and many others
might flileedily be expelled. But he begged leave
to are, how it came to pall, that though four years
bad elapfed fillet the Union, thofe meafures which
the Honourable Gentleman now fo loudly called for.
had never been even once recommended ? What was
there at the pretest moment which rendered theta
meafures to neeeffary now, that did not formerly
fuggeft the propriety of their adoption ? If he himfelf
bad entertained the fame *it'll whigh the Honoura-
ble Gentleman profeffed to entertain, be could not
eonfißetnly have feared the fubjea to have remain.
ed Co long dbrekant. Whit reams induced him.
Who had very. different views of the (Wiled,. to (of-
fer it to remain dormant. he ihOuld:on a future oC-
cafion hale an opportunity dilating, and he flatter-
ed hitt:A.lf, that the Houle and the tetuntey would
give tarn NCB: fbr continency, *hen he had Rated
the redone *hick Indeeed h kill to think that
the tainglogt=ortitant at thee!prefent
Mat bit ittittidlo the BM

'which he had lalltoo introdoeed for the Defence
of the Country, and bad cantered a with to know,
whether force other more efficient Bill was not to be
fubftituted in its room. This was not the time for
that difcuffion, but be felt bimfelf called on even on
the relent oceafion. to Rate that he had feet no rea-

.._ ...-
fon to alter his opinion of the grounds on which that
Bill was founded, and though be admitted that its
effells, in adding to the numbers of our military
force, had indeed been exceedingly (mall, nothing
that had happened, confidering all the circumaaneei
under which the Bill was propofed, and the principles
on which it proceeded, induced him to think that it
was not a meafure which ought to be relinquilbed, at
leaf( in all its leading features. He was ready at
any time to meet the Honourable Gentleman and

his friends in reviewing the Rate of the country in
all its various relations. He was ready in particu-
lar to meet the Hon. Gentleman refpating the Rate
of our military force, and the improved condition on
which it now Rood, compared to what it was laR fef-
lion. He was ready to 111CIV that at the prefent mo•
ment we had a regular difpckable force far more con-
fiderable than many gentlemen teemed to be aware
of. But, while he raid this, he was alfo perfettlt
willing to agree with thefe Gentlemen, that this re-
gular difpofable force fhoulii be Rill further augment-
ed. He would not all attempt to difpute that means
quite independent of the Bill which had been alluded

to, might with great propriety be employed for aug-
menting our regular difpofabk force to an extent
which could render it highly ferviceablekwhether em-
ployed for objefts conflated with our (mutate inte-
tells, or the interells and independence of the Conti-
nent. On the fubjeft of the rupture with Spain, the
Hon. Gentleman had very prudently declined offer-
ing any opinion till the documents referred to in the
Speech from the Throne were laid before the Houle.
He had, however, in alluding to the detention of the •
Spanilb frigates, thrown out a fort of fulpicion that
this was a violent and unjuiiifiable proceeding. In a
very (tort time, he was perfuaded that the fion.Gen-
tleman and his friends would fee reafon to alter that

opinion, and confefs that their fufpicions were erro-
neous. He fully agreed with the Hon. Gentleman that
at all times, but efpecially at the prefent moment, it
was highly necelfary to keep np the high charader of
the country for moderation, juftice, and honour, and
he was firmly convinced, that when the whole of the

late tranfafiions with Spain were explained, the de-
tention of the frigates would not at all appear, in
the fmalleft degree, a departure from the &Weft
rules of moderation or juitice. At the time theft
frigates were detained, he was perfuaded it would
be feen that his Majefty might have feized them by
an of of open hoftility ; fur Spain was at that time
fubflantially guilty of ails of open hoftility again&
this country. It was the objea of his Majefty, how-
ever, as long as poffible, to keep open a door for re-
conciliation ; but it was at the fame time what his
ditty required of him, not to fuller the Spina Go-
vernment to gather new Arength, while negociations
were carrying on betwixt the two countries. On the
whole, he had no difficulty in laying, that when tha
whole bufinefs was fully confidered, his *jelly's
conduta to Spain would be found marked with uni-
form moderation, forbearance, and even tendernets,
fo far as confifient with the honour of his Crown and
the profperity and fafety of his dominions. Having
thus adverted to there topics, in reply to the Honour.
able Gentleman, he thought it unnecau7 further to
take. up the time of the Houle. All theft topics
would, at a future period, be again brought under.
their review, and would doubdefs create a great deal
of difcuffion. When the proper time arrived, be
thould have no &fire to avoid the difcuidon ; but at
precast it would be altogether extraneous as well as
unneceffary.
Mr. FOX, in explanation why he had not brought
forward the fubjeft of Catholic emancipation, Rated
that it was perfealy well underftood that any man
bringing forward this queftion unconneaed with
Government, would have had very little chance of
gaining the object. It was betides very doubtful how
far the meafure would be acceptable to the Catholic
Body, if not taken up, as a matter of jultice and
lid y, by the Executive Government.
Mr. PITT laid a few words in explanation.
Mr. WINDHAM vindicated the conduit of his
Hon. Friend (Mr. Fox) as perfelly confillent. He
had not brought forward the fubjeft of Catholic
Emancipation during the exiftence of a Cabinet
avowedly hoftile to that meafure ; nay, whole very
elevation to power was founded on their oppation
to it : but it was very different when the Cabinet
profefed a defire to have this =afore brought about,
and when the perfon at the head of the Cabinet ted
given an open avowed opinion in favour both of its
policy and its juftice. This was fufficient to juitify
the confiftency of his Honourable Friend in recom-
mending the fubjeft to the Right Hon. Gentleman at
the prefect moment. But leaving this topic, the
Right Hon. Gentleman made tome obfervations on
the information conveyed by the Speech, refpeaing
the Rate of our Continental Connexions. He was
free to acknowledge, that he thought the information
on this fubjea extremely fcanty and unfatisfaltory.,
He had 'limited foroething diftina and fpeeifie, but
he had been difappointed. The Houfc were indeed told
oldie wife and dignified manifeßation of the interctt
entertained by the Emperor of Raffia, for the inde-
pendence of the Continent ; but the Houle had no
means of knowing to what extent that Sovereign was
ifpoled to co operate Frith us agaitill France, or what
exertions he was willing to make for the reftoration
of the ancient balance of power in Europe. Asa
however, a profpea of further information wet held
out; as the Houle were led to believe that &tithe-
tory documents would be afforded—be bad the left
hefitation in agreeing to the Addrefi. Having Rated
this generally, the Honourable Gentleman went on
to make a few remarks on the language of the Ad,
drefs relative to the rupture with Spain. He was ra-
ther afraid that the language conveyed fomething
too mach like in approbation of the rupture, even •
before the Houle were in polrefflort of thcalontnntott
• necetrary to found an opinion. Perhaps he was mut.
taken in this, but the words founded in his ears tery
touch as if this were their import, and he was there.
.fore anxious to guard againil any idea that the Hottfe
gave the flightett faatton either to the rtipttire with
Spain or the detention of the Spasith frigates. ThOngh
in the ahfence of all documents the Hoofs could nos
brand this laft Rep with &nal &approbation, yeLho
ee beg lefve to contend that ',pi inedtbet had a.
r t eiprifi his feelings on the matter as it now

•
Mood, sod betimaills Ow it was ImpolGble,
radepaideiivaial to charieterize the de.
treason in.. 441* jgens• than • Elude of the
lbongelk ' He, therefdre, in the firfk
infiance, laid is bit hoist claim as to this feel-
ing of the manner of the commencement of the
Spina War. It was true, the feeling was only
provifional, and when full explanktion was afforded, if
it turned out to be fatidatory, which, however, be
could hardly conceive to be poilible, then, and not
till then, would the feeling be properly difeuded.—
He had an obfervation to make on the defcription
given in the Addrefs of the hate of our regular army,
which is Paid to be in a refpeftable co%dition. If
the refpatability fpoken of was meant to be applied
to the quality of our regular force, there would be
no impropiety in the defcription. No man bad a
higher opinion than he had of the valour and difci-
pline of our regular army. If, on the other hand, it
was applied to their number, be could by no means
admit the troth of this aflation. The Addrefs (poke
of the improved difeipline of the Volunteers. On that
fubjea he would only remark, that admitting the im-
provement really to have taken place, all that could
be inferred from this was, that we had now a body
of lefs ufelefs Volunteers than we formerly pcifieffed.
—He really could not help thinking that the lan-
guage of the Addrefs refpating the invafion was
quite fuperfinous, and might very eafily have been
omitted. We bad no evidence that the enemy had
given up the threat of invafion. We only knew that
his preparations were now more complete than at
any former period. The enemy had not thought
proper to difclofe when his long threatened attack
was aaually to take place ; and there was no fort of
evidence, that W once ferionfly entertained, it was
now ferioufly abandoned.—The Right Honourable
Gentleman next touched on the violent and nnjua
proceedings of the French Government mentioned in
the Addrefs. Certainly the French Government had
bets guilty of many atrocious exceffes, and among
there the Right Hon. Gentleman dared the inhuman
treatment which Captain Wright, of the Vincego
Bridal thin of war, had (Whined. He had been
that op in the Temple at Paris, and had been treat-
ed with a degree of rigour never attempted by civi-
lized nations to be exercited againti prifoners of war
—in which light only Captain Wright ought to be,
conGdered. He was glad to underhand that Mini-
AM had at length determined to take up this gentle-
man's cafe and endeavour to procure redrefs for Inch
unprincipled. unexampled barbarity. If no other
means could be obtained, he for his part thopght it
would be indifpenfible to make reprifals on tome of
the French Officers prifoners in this country. This
was an extreme cafe, but it was one which the con-
duit of the Trench Government would pair'', if
nothing lefs violent could induce them, to do an aft,
not of humanity, but of common juflice to Brit&
Officers. The Right Hon. Gentleman was very warm,
and apparently highly intere Red, when alluding to this
1100_. He exprefed his regret that his Honourable
Friend near him (Mr. Fox) had not given notice of
the renewal of his motion for a Committee to era-

mine the Date of the National Defence. He thought
loch a Committee fully as neceffary now as at the
period when it was propofed fait Seffion. If his
Has. Friend, or tome other Gentleman, did not
take op the bufinefs, he should certainly think it his
duty to bring it under conlideration on an early day.
He then named Monday fe'nnight for that purpde.
Here the converfation doled.
-The Addrefs was read a firft and fecond time, and
warred to.—Report to-morrow.
The Houfe adjourned about fix o'clock.
House or Loans.—The following is the Speech
of Lord Gwirma, omitted, by accident, in its proper
place :—His Lordfhip feconded the Addrefs.
Though the Noble Lord who had juft fat down had
left him little to fay, he could not help noticing the
impalas fituation in which this conntry flood at the
prefent moment. Safe at home, and refpelable abroad,
his Majelty might now, indeed, liften to propofitions
from the enemy. After two years, he found all his
threats of invafion imprafticable, and law this country
placed in a very different fituation from what it was
at the commencement of the War. He has not dared
to undertake the great expedition with which he vainly
hoped to fubjeft a free and loyal people ; but finds
his fleets and his flotillas confined to his chores, and '
compelled to Peek flicker under his batteries. With
regird to the rupture with Spain, he was convinced
thE when the documents on that fubjeft were laid be-
fore the Houle, their Lordfliips would find that the
ineaftire was indifpenfrble. Explanations had been de-
manded of the Court cf Spain, and refuted, and new
engagements had been made between that Court and
the French Government, under an offenfi we treaty en-
tered into with the enemy. It could not, therefore,
be Paid that Minifters hid been precipitate in their
condo& towards Spain, unlefs it was to be contended
that the convenience of the enemy only ought to be
confulted, and war entered into or not, juft a t fuited
him. Were his Majelly's Minifters, by their for.
bearance, to permit the enemy to receive from another
Power (applies, which were to be employed with the
avowed view of effeEting the ruin of this country ?
As the nature of the communication from the enemy
was not known, the Addrefs very properly did not
pledge their Lordfhips to any thing beyond what the
intends of humanity and the weltare of the country
required. They well knew that no peace could be
inure which was not founded on the permanent and
immutable interefts, not only of the Britifb Empire,
but of all the States of Europe. It was not a peace of
mere words, a hollow and fallacious treaty like the laft
[a try of Hear!
cooldgietlifety or confidence to the country. It was
neceffary not to forget letfuns of experience fo recently
received. The conceffions imprudently made, in
concluding the lea Peace, had induced the enemy to
regard Great Britain as a vanquifhed nation.—At
lad it was found that the country bad no alterna-
tive but Peace with degradation—or hoftilities with
honour. The people indignantly rejefted the prof-
fered tflfgratu, and unanimaufly approved the War.
If the promAtiens made by the enemy be fincere and
honourable, great indeed and fudden muff have been
the change Which has taken place in his difpofition.
Bat whatever ground there may oe to hope for Peace,
the cosmtry mull be prepared for War. If farther
facrifiees were necelfary, they would be cheerfully
made ; for no fat:tikes could be too great, when
atco=rl with the importance of the objefts to be
IMpreffed with tbefe views, be was proud
co (stood the Addicts which his Noble Friend had
Forded. .