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THE L4TE NEG9CI4TIONS.

No.l.—Minute of a Communication made by Lord Watitt SLILY
to Lords Gantt and Ga EN VILLE, at Lord Guar's House, slated
May, 93, 1812.
Lord Welle4ey stated, that be had received the commands of
ids Royal Highness the Prince Regent, to lay before his Royal
• Highness the plan of such an Administration as he (Lord Wel-
lesley) might deem adapted to the present crisis of affairs.
hat lie had apprised his Royal Highness of the necessity of
ascertaining the views and dispositions of all parties with regard
to certain general principlos, previously to the formation of any
loch plan.
"l'ha: he considered himself merely as the instrument of exo.
cutirg his Royal Highness's commands on this occasion • and that
he neither ciaimed, nor desired for himself any station In the Ad-
ministrat'on which it was in his Royal Highness's contemplation
to form.

Uncktr these circumstances he requested to know, whether any
obstacle existed to the concurrence of Lords Grey and Grenville,
or their friends, in the following general principles, as the basis
upon which an Administntion might be formed :
Ist, hat the state of the lawvaffecting the Roman Catholics,
and Ise claims of that body of his Majesty's subjects, should be
taken into Immediate consideration, with a view to a conciliatory
adjustment of those claims.
idly, l'hat the war in the Peninsula should be prosecuted on a
scale of adequate vigour.
Lord Wellesley stated, that as Mr. Canning and he agreed in
these principles, he had 'requested Mr. Canning to communicate
them to Lord Liverpool.
Lord Wellesley has reduced the substance of this communica-
tion to writing, and now submits it to Lord Grey and Lord Gren-
ville. (signed) WILLESLIT.
No. IL—Minute of Mr.CANNING's Proposition to Lord Livit
roo dared Fife-house, May 3, 1812.
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,
I The Prince Regent having laid his commands upon Lord Wel- I
lesley to form a plan of an Administration, to be submitted for his
Royal Hieliness's approbation, Mi. Canning was requested by
Lord Were,.ley (a+ ihe chancel of communication thought likely
to be most agreeable to lord Liverpool) to enquire of Lord Li-
verpool whether there would be a disposition on the part of Lord
i .1 lverr rol. and .4,f his Colleagues, or of any of them, to entertain
any proposal which shuuld be maths to them for forming part of
that Administration.
The principks upon N hieh the Administration was intended to
be formed were stated to be, Ist, the taking Into the early and
serious consideration of the Executive Government the state cf
the laws affecting the Roman Catholics, with a sincere and ear-
nest desire to bring the; important question to a final and satis-
factory settlement : 2dly, '1 he prosecution of the war in the Pe-
ninsula with the best tn. ans of.the country.
It was stared, that there would bethe strongest wish to tom.
prehend in the arrang, ment, without any hid vidual or party ex-
clusion whatever, as many as possible of such persona as ni gl.t
be able to agree in giving their public sers ices to the country on
these two principles.
•With respect to the d'stribution of offices, it was stated, that
, nothing of any sort was decided or stiptlated ; but that every
thin would be open to be Arranged to the honour and satisfac-
tion of all parties.
No. ill.—Memorandum from Lore's GREY and Gatovitte,
dated May 24, IEII2.
In sees a moment as the present, we feel it to be the dwy of
all public men, both by frank and colic 1 a•cry explanations of prin-
ciple, and by the total abandonment of every personal obj• ction,
7 to iacibiate, as far as may he in their power, the means of giving
effect to the late vote of the Howe of Commons, and of averting
the imminent and unparalleled dangers of the country.
Lord Wellesley has selected two, among the many important
4tabjects which must engage the attention ut any men, who could,
In such circumstances, be called upon to consider of the accept-
ance of stations of public trust.
On those two points our explanation shall be as distinct as it is
in our power to make it.
On the firsts indeed, our opinion is too well known, and has
been too recently expressed, to need repetition.
We have derived a very high gratification Iron. Lord 'Welles-
'
ley's powerful exertions in support of the claims of the Roman
Catholics; as well as front the manner in which that subject is
advertee to in his minute; and we eta not hesitate to assure him,
that we will warmly support any proposal made by any Mini-
sters, for the immediate consideration et these claims with a view
to their conciliatory adjustment: a no a-ure without which, we
have already declared, that we can en ertain co hope, in any
case, of rendering our own services us. tul.
As to the s•-cond point, no person f. eh mere strongly • han we
do tlse advantages which would result from a succe•istul termina-
tion of the prt•sent contest in :'patn. But we are I f (pin on that
the direction of military operations in act extensor.; %vat-, arid the
more or leis vigorous prosecution of those operatiors ai e pies-
tiotis not of ptinciple but of policy, to be regulated by ch cum-
stances in their nature ompurary and fluctuating, -and tie many
eases known only to per'ous lu cfficial stations,—by the engage.
menus of the emote'', the prospects et ultimate success, eke ex-
tent of the exertions necessary for its attainment, and ihe means
• of supporting those efforts sv:thout too great a pressure on the
finances and internal prosperity of the country.
On such questions, therefore, no public men, whether in or out
of office, can under take for more than a delibs rate and dispassio-
nate consideration, according to the circumstances of the case as
it may appear, and to such means of information as may then be
within their reach. But we cannot. in sincerity conceal from
Lord Wellesley, that, in the present state of the finances, we en-
tertain the strongest doubts of the practicability of an increase in
any branch of the public expenditure.

No. IV.—Letter from Lord LIVERPOOL to Mr. CANNING, da-
ted Fife House, May 23, 1812.
MT DEAR CANNING,
I have communicated to my Colleagues the Memorandum
which I received from you this afternoon.
Tht y do not think it necessary to enter into Iny discussion of
the principles stated in that Memorandum ; because they all feel
themselves bound, particularly after what has recently passed, to
decline the proposal of becoming Members of an Admitiistration
to be formed by Lord Wellesley.
Believe me to be, with sincere personal regard,
My dear Canning, very faithluliy, yours,
• (Signed) Livertroot..
No. Vl..—Letter from Mr. CANNING to Lord LIVERPOOL, dated
Gloucester Lodge, May 24, 1812; past 8 a. at.
MT DEAR LIVER POOL,
I have received your letter of last night, which I will immedi-
ately transmit to Lord Wellesley.
Before I do so, however, and of course therefore without Lord
Wellesley's consent or privity, I cannot forbear suggesting to you
to consider whether the sort of personal objection which your
letter evidently and exclusively implies, will stand fairly before
the country, at such a moment, as a just;fication for refusing to
act in an Administration, to the public principles of which' you
do not feel, or at least do not state, any insurmountable repug-
sante.
I would suggest to you further to consider, whether, restiag
your refusal on an objection merely personal, you de quite just•
IY either by yourselves or by the individual concerned, in leav-
log the precise nature of that objection wholly unexplained.
In offering these suggestions, I perhaps exceed the limits of a
correspoadsoce such as our- is, upon this occasion : but they
strike me so forcibly, that I think I owe it to you, not to with-
hold them. Whether to communicate them to your colleagues
or not, I leave entirely to your discretion ; but you at least will.
not resent, so far as you are yourself concerned, a freedom which
may be justified by that regard with which I ant ever, &c.
(Signed) 650102 CANNING.
No. VlL—Letter from Lord LIVERPOOL to Mr. CANNING, da.
ted Fife House, Mt.)? 24, 1812.
MY DIAII CANNING,
I have this moment received your answer to my letter of last
aright.
As that letter wan not written without all dee considerations I

du not feel that it can be necessary far me to tall my Colleagues .
again together upon the subject of it. ' •
I can answer, however, for myself, (and I am confident equally I
for them,) that I am not actuated, In declining the proposal made
to us, by any objection of a nature purely personal. But when I
advert to the opinions and statements recently sent forth to the
world respecting public men with whom I have been connected,
and public measures in which I have been engaged, I do not feel
that I should have acted consistently with my own honour and
character, or witji the respect which I must ever owe, and shall
ever feel, to my &parted friend, if under such circumstances, I
could have consented to have entertained the proposal which you
were authorized to submit to me.
As these considerations afforded an insuperable obstacle to my
becoming a party to the proposed arrangements, I thought it
wholly unnecessery to enter into any explanation on the two
principles on which the Administration is rated as intended to
be formed, or on other points of the greatest public import-
ance ; and I must protest against any inference whatever being
drawn from my silence in this respect.
I can assure you that I ant most willing to render you every
degree of justice for the motives which have dictated your answer
to my letter.-r And I remain with sincere regard, &c.
(Signed) LIVERPOOL.
No. Xll—Letter of Lord Gaav to Lord %Peewees, dated
Portman-square, May 27, 1812.
MT Loan—l have the honour of returning the papers which
your Lordship was so good as to put into my hands this morning.
I observe a material difference between the terms in which the
two principles, proposed as the basis of a new Administration,
are stated in Mr. Canning's minute, and in that sent to Lord
Grenville and me by. your Lordship. 1 think it necessary to call
your Lordship's attention to this circumstance, because these
discussions should proceed farther, it may become of the utmost
importance. I am, with the highest regard,
My Lord, your Lordship's very faithful humble servant,
The Marquis Wellesley. (Signed) Clay.
No. Xlll.—Letter of Lord Wehhtshev to Lord GREY, dated
Apsley-house, May 28,1812.
My LORD—I should have returned an earlier acknowledge-
ment of the honour of your Lordship's letter of yesterday, had I
not thought it necessary to see Mr. Canning, before I troubled
your Lordship with any answer to your observations on our re-
spective minutes.
Having careful'y examined those papers, and compared them
with our view of the points to which they refer, we have drawn
the enclosed paper for your Lordship's information, and have
authenticated it by our respective signatures.—l have, &c.
The Earl Grey. (Signed) WELL/.-LEY.
No. XIV.— Paper levied by Lord Watts:they and Mr.
CANNING.
The variance in point of phrase In the two propositions as
stated by Lord Wellesley and Mr. Canning in their minutes of
conference arses from this ci•cumtanee, that Lord Wellesley
and Mr. Canning went to thEir respective conferetices wiihout
having thought it necessary previonsly to reduce into e written
form the communications which they were to niaktebeing in full
posseesion of each other', sentin•ents upon the subject of them.
1 he two minutes were written by them as contaireng the sub-
stance of their respective communications ; that of Mr. Canning
in Lord Liverpool's presence; that t f Lord Wellesley immedi-
ately after his return from Lord Grey.
1 here does nor appear to Lot d Wellesley and Mr.- Canning to
be any substantial variance in the first proposition.
'I he word " early" in Mr. Canning's minute might be ex-
Changed for the word " immediate," used by Lord Wellesley,
wi hoot in any degree altering the sense; as, with a motion ac-
tually pending in the House of Commons, which (but for the
events that have recently taken place) would have aerate on this
very day, the object of which was to compel the Executive Go-
verment to take the subject of the Catholic Question in.° con-
sideration, cannot be arcs scary to say that l'sle.Caniting has no
wish to defer that consideration. On the other hand, cousidera-
t on by the Executive Government is the object which it is Lord
Wellesley's inten ion to rsconiniend: nor does he conceive any
fartiet Parliamentary proceeding to he necessary or practicable
this Sesron than such as might be sufficient to insure, either by
consul ion upon a Motile Administration, or by pletige teem a
friend y one, the coesideration of the question during the recess
with a view to its being brought berme Perliament: by the re-
commendation of the Crown, early in the tnsuing Session.
A Cemmintee to enquire into the state of the laws has been
already negatived in both Houses this Session.
A " conciliatory adjustment" of the Claims of the Irish Ca-
' tholics is the object which Lord Wellesley and N:r. Cannir.g
have equally at heart : and it enters equally into both their views
that to be " conciliatory," that adjustmi rat nitor be so framed as
, to embrace the interests and opinions of the English Catholics—
' also to obtain the enlightened and deliberate consent of the Pro-
terent s of both countres. They would think any adjustment
very imperfect which, inNtead of elltillgU siting discontent, only
tra, sferred it front the Casholic to the Protestant.
But they concur in entertaining nfident belief, that the
gnat purpose of securing the peace of the Empire may he best
auswereo, not by giving a triumph to any one party, but by re-
conciling all.
I In the substance of the second
proposition, there is no variance
a, to any practcal and prospective purpose, though undoubtedly
there Is, and it is natural there should be, some as to the past,
arising Irmo the difference of Mr. Canning's aid Lord Welles-
ley's respective situations.
I When Mr. Cannintsays, that the Peninsula war is to be car-
ried on "with the beat means of the country,' he intends the
greatest scale of exertion which the means of the country may
be towel capable of sustaining.
! If Lord W elles'ey's expression, "a stale of adeqiire vtour,"
may be construi d to imply the propusitien, that .i.e ,are exer-
t Mons of th a country have not been proportiened to the great
oti.•Ct of the war, or have not been uu'y die vistaed ter appor-
tioned ; this proposition Mr. Catfning ce nattily dees rot intend
! ei her to alit m or to deny; simply because not having been in
the Government during the last two years, he has tint sufficsent
informatiml to pi 0110U11,01•-aro- opinion, wile:her the eAtilitglS
of those two years haee or have not been below the proper scale,
or have been se ell er ill admit.btered; oar Low tar they may
now admit of Leing extended or more judiciously aaplied.
He concurs, however, entirely with Lord Wellesley, in wish-
ing to extend them to the utmost tower of the country,; and :ee
apply them in the ::tanner best calculated to =Aver their cud.
(Signed) WELLISLEY.
OCOAGE CANNING.
No. Mr.—Litter from Lprd Gary to J.cial ‘Vehtzsbxv, dated
Portman 'quare, May 29, 1912.
Mv 11.01tD,-1 Lad last night the Lonour of receiving your
Lordship's letter, enclufing a paper, explanatory of the sillier-
ence which Iliad remarkedieetween your Lot &hip': minute and
Mr. Canting 's together with a copy in the latter.
I beg your Lordship to be assured that in the ob-eirvat'on to
which I had thought it necessary to call your Lordship's atten-
tion, I could have no object but that of preventing the possibility
tat any future misunderetandiog. We had not entered into any
explanation, which, under the circumstances the
would perhaps have been premature, of the detail' of conduct
necessary to give effect to the first of the propositions, offered
by your Lordship as the basis of a new Adirinistreion. Front
the difference of the term used by Mr. Canning, to stating that
proposition, I was apprehensive that it might be his opinion, in
concurrence with your Lordship's, that no Parli.meinarys pro-
ceedings, with reference to the claims of the Catholics, should
take place during the present Session. 10 such an opinion I
could not have asseated ; and I felt it to be due both to your
Lordship and to Mr Canning, immediately to draw your atten-
tion to a point, on which it was so desirable that there should be
a clear understanding between us.
I hope it is annect ssary for me to state, that I can look at the
• situations of the Catholics (Lath Irish and English), with nu other
view than that of the public interest ; and that nothing can be
further from my disposition, or my inception, in a matter of such
pre-eminent importance, than to give to any one party a triumph
at the expense of another.
IBut I do not conceive, that the repeal of the disabilities of which
t the Catholics complain, can give any just cause fur disconteni to
their Protestant fellow subjects; and I am strongly of opinion,
that the efficacy of that measure must in a great degree depend
on its being carried into effect with the least possible: delay, and
with the clearest demonstrations of a conciliatory and confiding
spirit. Under this impression, I should very reluctantly aban-
don the hope of passing a Bill for such a repeal, even during
the present Session—but if this cannot be done, 1 hold it to be
indispensable, that the most distinct and authentic pledge diould
be given of the In:ention, both of the executive Government and
I of Parliament, to take this matter up as one of the brat measures
at the next. To a proceeding of tins nature, froni the Paper signed
by your Lordship and Ur. (Amato& 1 tat 144 to hope that you
would not be averse.
As to the second proposition, the difference which I had obf

served was tpuch less Important. It is impossible to reduce a
question of this nature to any fixed principle. Whatever we can
say with our present means of information, must necessarily
be general and inconclusive, the whole subject being left open to
future consideration and decision. I can have no hesitation in
subscribing to the proposition, that, if it Phan be found expedient
to continue the exertions we are now making in the Penirsula,
they should be conducted in the manner best calculated to answer
their end.
I have, I fear, troubled your Lordship much more than is ne-
cessary under the circumstances of our present situation; and I
will only add, that if we should be called upon to pursue these
considerations in their practical details, it will he my most anxious
wish, that no difference of opinionmay be found to exist between
us, respecting the conduct to he adopted by a Government
equally solicitous for the internal pt ace and harmony of the em-
pire, and for the prosectition.of military operations in such a mode
as may appear most conducive to 'cur ultimate amity. Lord
Grenville, to whom I have communicated your Lord.bip's letter,
and its enclosures, desires me to express his cordial concurrence
in this wish. I have the honour, &c. (Signed) Cagy.
No. XVl.—Minute of a communication made by Lord %Vera-is-

LLY to Lord Garr, at Lord GRIT'S house, June 1,1812.
Lord Wellesley stated, that he bad on that morning received
full authority from the Prince Regent, to form an Administration
under his Royal Highness's commands ; and that he was spi cially
authorised to commonicate with Lords Grey and Grenville on
the subject.
'I hat his Royal Highness entertairud no wish to exclude from
the proposed Administration, any pet son or description of persons,
who could unite in the principles on which the Administration
was to be founded.
That the two propositions stated in- Lord Wellesley's minute
of May 23d, and subsequently explained in the letters which had
passed between Lord Wellesley and Lard Grey, of the dates of
the 27th, 2Sth, and 29th of May, 1812, were intended by his
Royal Highness to constitute the lotuidation of hisAcinunistration.
'I hat his Royal Highness hid sigt.ified his pleasure, that Lord
Wellesley should conduct the format wit of the Administration in
all its branches, and should be First Commissioner of the Trea•
Bury; and that Lord Moira, Lord Erskine, and Mr. Canning,
should be Members of the Cabinet. .

That it was pi obable that a Cabinet formed on an enlarged basis
must be extended to the number of 12 or 13 Members.

1 hat the Prince Regent wished Lords Grey and Grenville, on
the part of their Friends, to recommend for his Royal High-
nese* approbation the names of four persons (11 the Cabinet
should consist of twelve) and of five persons (it the Cabinet
should consist of thirteen) to be appointed by his Royal Highness
to fill such stations in his Councils as might hereafter be at ranged.
hat his Royal Highness left the selection of the names to
Lord. Grey and Grenville, without any exception, or personal
exclusion. 'I hat, In completing the new arrangement, the Prince
Regent has granted to Lord Wellesley the entire liberty to pro-
pose. fir his Royal Highness's approbation, the names of any per-
sons now occupying stations in his Koyal Highness's Councils,
or of any other persons.
That if the proposition made to Lords Grey and Grenville
should he accepted as the outline of art arrangement, all other
matters would be diocusssd with the most anxious solicitude to
promote harmony and general accommodation.

No. XVII.— Letters from Lords Gaev andGetnvitLit to Lord
We bursts Y, Camelford House,Juue S.
MT I.OIID-L-Nk e have considered with the most serious atten-
ton the mit ute Leh we lave had the honour to receive from
your Lordship ; and we have communicated it to such of our
Frienes as we have had an opportueity of cons:being.
On occasion of a proposal made to us uncle r the authority of bjs
Royal Highness the Prince Re gent, we with tor. new, in the:nos,
solemn manner, the declaration of our unfeigned desire to have
facilitated, as tar as was in cur power, the means of giving efieci
to the :ate Vote of the House of Conimens, and oh averting the
inurrnent and unparalleled dangers of the country. No sense of
the public &stress and diffi, ulty— no personal f. the es of %tat-
ere r description, would have prevented us, under such circum-
stance', from neer ing, with du ifol submission, any sitratious in
which we could have Loped to Wye bis Rol al Highness usefully '
aid bonourably : but it arrears to us, on the n:ost dispassionate
reflection, that the proposal sated by your LiAdship-cannot jets.
city any such expectations.
We are ilivited, not to discuss with your Lordship, or with
an) other rat the men, aesording to the usual practise in such
cases, the various and imi wane coniiideratioos, both of mea-
sure s and of arrangement., whit!, belong to the forniatlonota new
Covert menu, in alt its branches ; but to recontmtbd to his Royal
Highness a number limited by previous stipulation, of persons,
willir g to be included in a Cabinet, of which the outlines are al-
ready di finitively arranged.
'1 o this proposal we could not accede without the sacrifice of
the very obje cc which the House of Commune his recommended
—the Icor matien of a strong and efficient Goverunitat.
We enter bet into the c amination ut tie relative proportions,
or of the particular arrangements which it has been judged ne-
cessary thus previously to establish. it isto the principle of dis-
un.on and jealousy that we object—to the supposed balance of
contending interests, in a Cabinet so measured out by prelimi-
nary stipulation. The times imperiously require an Admini.
strat:on united in principle, and strong in mutual alliance t—poo-
sessirg a,so the confidence of the Crown, and assured of its sup-
port in those healing measurer which the public safety. requites :
and wb;ch are necessary to secure the Government, the opinion
and affection of the people.
No such hope is pre sewed to us by this project, which appears
to us equally mew in practice, and objectionable in pi iticiple. It
tends, as we think, to e staluish, within the Cabinet itself, a sys-
tem of counteraction Mconst.tent with the prosecution of any
uniform and beneficial course of policy. .

We trust, tberetui e, recurst pennis'sion to decline all partici-
pation .n Goverment constituted upon such principle.); sr
to.fied, as we are, t hat the loss of charactir which roust aroe Itura
it to onrstives could be productive uoly of disunion and weak-
ness in the Administration of the public interes.e.
. .

My Lordocour Lordship's very tailatul humble servant,
(Stutd) ' GUT.
%Julie 3, 1812.
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Mr DEAR Loan.—The answer which you and Lord Gren-
ville have returned to the pruposal made by Lord Welltsky
seems to throw an oblique imputation upon me; therefore I en-
treat your reconsideration of your sia,entent as far as it may con-
vey that impeachment cf a vocedure in which I sus
it taalved
You represent the proposition for an arrangement subniitted to
you as one calculated to found a Cabinet upon a principle of
c, note' action. When the moat n.aterial of the public obj, Cu
%%Well were to he the immediate gt oui ds of that Cabinet's exer-
tion had been previously understoloi between the pertiei, I own
it is difficult for nit to cen,prehehd what principle of coun.erac-
tion could be introduced. if there be any ambluity, ch does
not strike me, in Lord Wellt cley's last paper, surety the consuls,-
tion ought to be sought in tie antecedent communication; sod I
think the basis on wh.ch that communication had aunouuced
the 'trended Cabinet to stand was periectly clear. With rt gaird
to the indication of certain individuals, 1 can assert that it was a
measure adopted through the highest spirit of fairness to you and
your frimds.
Mr. Canning's name was meneoried, because Lord Wellesley
would have ceclineti office without Min ; and it was a frankuess '
to ,pprize you of it ; and Lord Erskine 's and mine were stated
with a view of 'hewing. that Lord Wellesley, so far from having
any j.a.ousy to maintain a preponderance in the Cabinet, actually
left a majority to those who bad been accustomed to concur upon
most public questions; and he specified Lord Erskine and ley-
eel, that you might see the number submitted for your exclusive
numniatlun was not narrowed by the necessity of advertence to
us. Ibe choice of an additional Member of the Cabinet left to
you mint prove how undistinguishable we considered eur inte-'
rests and your's' when this was refereed to your consideration as
a mere matter of convenience, the embarrassment of a numerous
Cabinet being well known. reference to Members of the
late Cabinet, or other persons, was always to be coupled with the
established point that they were such as could concur in the
principles laid down as the fouteistion of the projected Ministry :
and the statement was principally dictated by the wish to 'hew
that no system of exclusion could interfere with the arrangements
which the public service might demand. On the selection of
those p.rsoes, I aver the opinions of you, Lord Grenville and the
others whom you might bring forward as Members of the Ca-
binet, were to operate as fully as our own, and this was to be
the case also with regard to subordinate offices. The expiession
that this was left to be proposed by Lord Wellesley, was in.
tended to prove that his Royal Highness did not, even In the
most Indirect manner, suggest any 'cot of those individuate.
It is really impossible that the stirit of fairness can have been
carried farther than has been the intention in this tiegoctation.—t-
I therefore lament most deeply that ea arrangement so luipor.
taut fur Om interests of the country should go cif open points
which I cannot but think wide of the substanee of the case.
(Slued) Some,

Lord Gores Reply to Lord*Motu.
Portman.suuare, hos t
Mr Multi Loan—Being obliged to go immediately trout thi
House of Lords to a dinner party, ands afterwards to a mo
at Lord Grenville's, which occopfed meta/ a late hour, it,
not in my power to answer your letter last nieht.
You must be ton well aware of my personal f •clinr toward,
you, of my esteem for yoor character, and of my confidence a
you rhonour, to entertain July op nion respecting your cordote.
inconsistent with those sentiments. Nothing. thcrsfote, et*
be more remote from my intention, and I am desired by Im4
Grenville, to whom i have shewn your letter, to give you tit
same assurance on his part, than to cast any imputation wick
erzr on you, as to the part you Lave borne in the procaulies
which have lately taken place, for the formation of astir mid.
tninistration. We know with how sincere an minty foe tit
honour of the Prince, and for the public interest, ym kayo,
bowed to effect that object.
Whatsoever objections we may feel. therefore, to the pry
which has been made w us, we beg that they may be audyntsgi
as having no reference whoever to any part of your conduit:6,
That proposal was made to us in a formal and authorized tot,
munication from Lord Wellesley, bo'h personally to me, ay
afterwards in a written minute. It appeared to us to be fonuitg
on a principle to which we could not assent, consistently ysii
our honour, and with a due noose of public duty. The gni*
of this opinion have been distinctly stated in our joint lege%
Lord Wellesley, nor can *bey be altered by a printer:planate,.
i which, though it rnieht lessen some obvious 'objestous maps"
of the detail, still leaves the general character of the prussfikw
unchaoged. Nothing could be mare painful to me than to sow
into any thing like a controversial discussion with you, isll%
I could only repeat more at large the same feelings and spy
which, in concurrence with Lord Grenville, I have alreagyta
pressed in our formal answer. I her only to assure yes, wit
I conclude, that I have felt very sensibly, and shall alwaysisita
pleasure in acknowledging your personslamktr;l.
occss to oak*
I course of this transaction. Mat
Lord Wit-LESLEY', Reply to the Letter front Lords Cluny
Geste/act, of :be sd of lane.

Apsley-House, Juno gd, ant
My Loa DS—I received the letter, by which 1 was bow,'
from your Lordships this morning, with the most sincere girs.
and I have discharged the painful duty of eubmittiog toy;
Royal Highness the Prince Regent. It wou'd have aillosagift
some consdatkm, if the continuance of the authority cow
to me by his Royal Highness had enabled me, en !et Weld
Highness's commands, to offer to your Lordships a full:Ma&
did explanrion of those points in my minute of the itt of 100.
which your Lordships appear to me to have entirely ftilupp,.
beaded. But as his Rofiil Htghnsol has been pleased to
mate to me his pleasure, that the formation of a new mita,
stration should be intrusted to other bands, I have wiesoid
permission to decline all further concern in this rransactim
I remain, however, extremely anxious to submit to your 144
ships, some explanatory observations rest, ecting the ententudo.
tiocs vetich I have had the honour to make to you ; and kw
that your Lordships will indulge me with that adsawags,
though I can no longer address you under the sanction d ut
Prince Regent's authority. I Lave the honour to be, &e.

wtiltlin.

Lord Watt-aster to Lord Gees', en the same subject, deal
Apsley House, 4th Ju tsit
Mg LORD—When I applied yesterday to your Lordship sei
Lord Grenville for permis,ion to submit to you tome
ob.ervations, recpectirg the communications which=
the honour to make to you by the authority of the Prints Re.
gent, I was not aware that Lord Moira had addressed a letter tt
your Lordship of the tame nature as that which I waidairousli
conveying to you.

3'h; fo-rm of such a letter, either from Lord Moira war
must have been private, as neither of us pissessed any admit;
from the Prince Regent, to open any further communicants with
your Lordship, or with Lord Grenville; a iireurnstance witch I
de 'ply lrment, under a sarguine hope, that addilicalai es**
tions, sanctioned by authority, might have removed the 'shag
obstacles to an amicable arrangement.

Lord Moira has sent me a copy of his letter to your Lodi"
of yesterday's date; and as it contains an accuratelclear cede*
did statement of the real objects of the proposal, which I cow"
cd to you, it arpears to me to have furbished you ;with as idle
explanation as can be given in an unauthorised paper. Cdr
these circumstances, it might be deemed superfluous trouble is
your Lordship and to Lord GrenvUle, to solicit your atteaddlis
a private letter from me; although I should be !nog happylfeef
oppor t unit y were afforded, of renewing a conciliatory intercoms,
under the commands of the Prince Regent, with a view-to le
win the object of our recent connnunicatien.-4 have the brow
le be, &c. wit tcritat.
Lord Gaar's Repip to the above.
Portman-square, Jane 4,1111.
. Mr Litto...-I have had the honeurof receiving yeserEereilpt
letter of this day's date. As Lord Moira has oommimisualn
your Lordship the copy of his letter to me, I take it for
that you have in the same manner been put in pomades dial'
answer, which contains all that I can say with respect oleo
planation of the proposal made by your Lordship to Lod Ono
elle and mysel.
I was perfectly aware, that Lord Moira's letter call k
d. gree be considered as an authorised communleatico, battlit,
it was simply a pries e explanation offered for the purposed!".
moving the objections, which had been stated by Greoviltsd
ass to the proposal contained in the written minute traosniad
• o us by your Iced-111p, under the authority of tie NOM
gent. But though it could not vary the effect of that Womb
my opinion, I was happy to receive it a' an expressioe dr*
sonar regard, arid 01 that desire, which we readily school**
both in ) cur Lordship and Lord Moira, and which is rsdplool
on the part of Lord Grenville and myself, that so dikeweed
opinion on the matter in question, should produce on sfakw oil
any personal impression, which might obstruct the rowed di
conciliatory intercourse, whenever a more favourable mono*
shall be afforded for it. I have the honour, dm tisrt.
Lord Mcrae. to Lords Gear and Garnvitts, prdimodg
Interview with them, sth June.
Lord Moira presents his best compliments to Earl OMNI
Lord Grenville. Since Lord Wellesley has declared bis Caw
mission from the Prince Regent to be at on end, Lard Mill,
(as being honoured "pith his Royal Highness's confidence) or
tures to indulge the anxiety be feels, that an arrangement efthl
utmost importance for the interests of the Country shoed
off on any misunderstanding.
He therefore intreats Lord Grey and Lord Grenville tO MI"
to the explanatory letter of the ad of June, wri.ten by hie to de
former. Ard if the dispositions therein expresed shall Igor
to them likely to lead, upon conference, to any advaelseelt
salt towards co-operation in the Prince's Service, be WS "
happy to have an Interview with them.
Should the issue of that conversation prove such as be wwil
hod e, his object would be to solicit the Prince Regret's pen*
don to address then, formally. He adoptttleis mode to
all difficuldes in the outset. Let him be permitted to
that the very urgent pressure of Public Affairs renders tbeloi
speedy determination infinitely desirable....-June 5, tett._
N. B. This was written in the.presence of the Duke stlitagg
o consequence of conversation with his Grace ; sod wadi"
tarried to Lord Grey.
Note from Lords Gear and GaeNVlLta, declining uneedel*.
Discussions.
House-of Lords, June sth, 'W_
' • We cannot bat feel highlygratified by the kindness dtbeiller.
OD which Lord Moira acts. Personal communication whhi'm
carp always be acceptable and honourable to us. BO I's MP
Jr* will be sensible, that no advantage is likely to result 13/..
pursuing this subject by unauthorised discussions, and ins est*
4terrnt frcm the usual practise.
Motives of obvious delicacy must present out. OWL '
.ditswards determining the Prince Regent to authoill4'.
It* address us personally. We shall always receive
~ Tr.)
''submission his Royal Highness's cadninands, in wh .a- •
aid through whatever channel he /nay be pleased to .
' aid car tru.t we shall never' be found wanting in
Royal Highness's service, and for the public int -
moot ye/inure to suggest to his Royal Highnesilr
likhor person, our opinions on point' in which his '
=Pk nut pleased to require our advice.
Oid"d) wan.
GItIIVILLII. •
gag Moms to Lords Gate and Gs asivitts, irfortnot.
'hat he has the PRINCI Kimura authority to adds"' 'l'
and requering to know when and where be tan see dilegiTh
Lord Moira presents his best compliments to Loud Coq!'
Lord Grenville
Discouraged, ache unavoidably must be, be yet
ditto isimsslf to Wye any efort untrieds cad its

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forse IsstervieW, though he doubt' if till desired con.
Orillcit bit* to be 10 well advanced by it, se would bate been
ka in the triode suggested by him.
the ass new the Prince Regent's Instructions to take steps to-
ws, the formation of a ministry ; and is authorised specially to
timielf to Lords Grey and Grenville. It it, therefore,
Orliest 'to know, when and where he can wait upon them.—
rreo
ise wish to bring Lord Erskine with him.
jos 6, Ins. 11, Forenoon.
rrbe last document published, and which concludes
ibe whole of the Correspondence, is the ,s Minutes of
conference at St. James's Place, on the 6th of
Joe, between Lord MoIRA and Lords GREY and
auxviLLE, at which Lord ERSKINE was present."--
raj given in the STAR of Thursday last at full

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MRLIAMENTART PROCEEDINGS.

HOUSE OF LORDS, JUNE It.
NEW GENTLEMAN USHER.
At two o'clock a meeting took place, and immediately after,
!merlin'', read. Ihe Marquis of HERTFORD (Lord Chant.
wigs) attended in his place, and officially notified his appoint-
writ of Sir Thomas Tyrwhitt, Kut. as Gentleman Usher of the
Ihdta, in the room.of SirFranais Molyneue, Bart. deceased.
*moss wu then called in, introduced as such; and took his
moo 'be Gentleman Usher's Box, pre fi.ruj, when he name.
&ell retired'
The Howe then adjourned for some time, during pleasure.
ORDERS IN COUNOIL.
Ad./tenni, before four o'clock the House resumed, and their
Lordilys forthwith resolved into a Committee on this subject.
MART TT, Esq. M.P. was introduced to the Bar, as
*tritons, and underwent a long chief and crourexamination,,
rekabr,byEarlsßATUUßs? and Laurasia LE, the tendency
tithe Honourable Gentleman's statements and opinions were in
Inner of the Orders in Council.
The House then resumed, and it was ordered. the Committee,
sibove, should sit at two o'clock on Monday.