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introduction iothi s House was in the Tear 1808, when
I came before its bar as Counsel for a Petition; and I
the more warmly press this motion on the House, be-
cause I am convinced, that if even the Bill for the Sup-
pression of Societies in Ireland is not successfully op-
posed, yet, at least, the plan I propose will give such
light to the affairs of Ireland, and create such a glo-
rious feeling between you, as the representatives of
England, and them, as the representatives of the discon-
tented of Ireland, as must, eventually, I am perstraded,
lead to much better and much kinder feelings between
the two countries. Surely the [louse should not oppose
Cois hearing, that is demanded on behalf of six out of
seven. millions of the population of a distressed country,
;n behalf of a religion that was once your own. It is a
vottr that once was conceded to the hawkers and ped-
,rs of this country, and ail that I ask is, that the same
.-,eour should be bestowed on six millions of Roman
athrdics that was granted to the pedlars of England.
them, as the pedlars have been, be heard by their
Vouna:l and witnesses: the cases are not altogether op.
prised to each other; each party came before the llouse
complaining of grievances, and I find, in the petition of
the hawkers, a sentence that might have been, ith much
propriety, copied into the present Petition ;•••-4 Your
petitioners have heard, with the utmost astonishment
and affliction, that there is a Bill before your House for
their utter extermination, unttied, ur.heard, and uncon-
demned ; we claim, therefone, as our birthright, and as
free citizens cf the State to be heard by Counsel and
witnesses. The prayer of.this petition was granted to
the hawkers, and this is exactly what is asked by the
Roman Catholics of Ireland ; they only ask now what
was granted to another body in the year 1785. I am
afraid that I have ties;eissed too long on the patience of
the II nose ; but before I conclude I have one request
to prefer to both sides of the House. Let us, I entreat
them, on this occasion, forget all the animosity of
faction and party ; let us, With one accord, seize upon
this golden opportunity, remembering that it is an op-
portunity sent to us as a God-sent, and, whether we
receive the Bill or reject it, at least the safest way will
be to hear such things as the Catholics may think pro-
per to offer, the only way for understanding the ground
work on which is e are proceeding, being an attention to
such grounds as may be offered on either side; and at
present I do not speak so much of the Counsel, whom
for a moment I will set aside; but I do call attention to
the witnesses that are offered to our consideration, and
whether this Biil be passed or rejected, I now give it as
my settled and earnest opinion, that on this may be
founded a basis of Listing esteem, and of a conciliation,
in every respect unexceptionable, with the Roman Catholics of
Ireland. I therefore move, Sir, that the Petitioners may be heard by
themselves. Coon iel, agents, and witnesses, at tilt Bar of WO-louse.''
Sir F. BUR t)firl seconded the motion.
Mr. WY NN said, ie must oppose the motion. When
a Bill before Pailiament affected persons by name, or
in their interests, it was usual to hear the persons so
affected at the Bar of the House, but that was not the
case witli the present Bill. If there was a single clause
against the Catholic Body, he would not refuse to al.
low them to he heard at the Bar ; but there was not a
ward of the Catholic Body in the Bill—it was a general
measure to put down all unlawful Associations—
(llear, hear, hear). The Bills respecting America were
local Bills, affecting the trade of a part of the empire
that was not represented in Parliament, but the majo-
rity of the constituents of many of the present Mem-
Lets were Catholics. The case of the hawkers and pod-',
lars did not apply, as that Bill was to affect a particular'
class, but the peseta was equally applicable to the
whole people—(Hear). If the present motion were
agreed to, no Bill could pass, but some individual, or
some in,dy of individuals, might petition to be heard
at the Bat against it.—(Hear). In the case of Hanley,
the soldier, it made no difference, whether he was Pro-
testant or Catholic—whether guilty or innocent—the
mischief was, that he went to trial with the opinion of
the Catholic Association against him. What he ob-
jected to was, that any body of men should undertake
to defend one party and to prosecute another and this being one
of the avowed objects of the Catholic Association, no proof of
facts could alter his opinion on the propriety of its suppression. If
these petitioners were allowed to he heard, he did not know where
they would stop.
Sir J. YORKE was not in the habit of speaking on
Irish affairs, although he gave them much attention.—
The Catholic Association, however, he thought ought to
be put down. For the last thirty-five years he was used
to hear threats of what the Catholics would do if not
granted those claims ; but he was not the least alarmed
notwithstanding, and was sure the Act would pass, and
the Association, sit down as quietly as the Honourable
and Learned Member (Mr. Brougham) when he finished
his speech. He remembered, when cruising off Cape
Clear, at the period of the Rebellion, he saw the Emerald
isle, for the fist time—and having asked a man on
hoard what would benefit Ireland ? he answered, that
she'd never do any good till she was twenty-four hours
under water—(.4 laugh).—By that it was meant, until
she was cooled and reduced to a moderate temperature.
He denied that England was not disposed to serve Ire-
land in any mode. Out of the 54 millions a year raised
for the State, that country did not contribute more than
1-17th—(Hear). And w!.en the population was starving
did not the people of England voluntarily give them
.500,000 ?—(Hear). As to Emancipation, the Catho-
lics did not, he verily believed, care two potatoes about
it—(A laugh). The Opposition laid hold of it as one of their great
stalking horses. For his part, if Ministers, who were responsible
for the discharge of their duty, told him that the Association ought
to be put down, he should vote far the present Bill.
Mr. HOBHOUSE was astonished that, even in mo-
ments of hilarity, the Honourable and gallant Member
would go to such lengths as he had just done. He de-
spaired of ever seeing the wrongs of the people redressed,
ahile such sentiments were held by their Representa-
tives. The Honourable and gallant Officer could not
hole to meet with the approbation of many Members,
even of Administiation, by the tone he assumed. It was
with pleasure he beard the Learned and Honourable
Attorney-General • for Ireland, with such glowing
expressions, bear testimony to the justice of the Catholic
claims—if the Association did nothing cite, it effected
drawing out that declaration. The Right Ho-
Secretary for Foreign Affairs, who bad always
.von such proofs of liberality, and was always
with delight, had expressed a conviction that
,mancipationwould be carried. These were great
the Association to have achieved. After some
remarks, in allusion to the Honourable and gal--
airal's speech, the Honourable Member pro-
) say, that it was an old proverb that the last
Proke the camel's hack, and that although the
had hitherto endured so much, more ought
heaped on them. With respect to the Right
ale the President of the Board of Controul,
its were as natural as cases from the Honour-
Tetary for Ireland, and one was as. good as the
dignea et hie. The parties accused were ready

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