Star.
London, England, 1804-04-26 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

Soon alter the Speaker had taken the Chair, a Mame from the
Lords was brought in, &daring that tacit Lordthips had agreed
to the hi& Militia °Seers Bill and tho Augmentation
withoat any amendment. i• .
The Id& PHefta and Dooms DUI wet read in a Cionodetee of
the whole Hoare, and agreed -without any anstrodnient. The
Report was then reeelvad, aid the Bill ordered to be read $ third

• the Meek-ma the CHAUCILLLOIt of the EX Clr=t;
k ti a "tend that ther.olnishiseelle the Islll &nesse
Bid bey:Opened he Pride, MEM •

lt+r. ibxn inbred that tle Adt 43 Gen. tn. *hit+ goes to the
tevalatkorndlipa =Tyke seniors abroad, be • trfetred to a
Constnittereftlstprink Hdrfa.; His tibial was to ante for leave
to bring In a Bill of swain tkr Captains of:wick moved in dist
Neorkunithnd Truk this conspelfin flegOktions in. that
Ad!, oaths Newfoosnliond Tradk**ltch s 44;111atore willed
to prow*, weither was the titled of the BM Doe was it dlredred
to any other branch of oar eaennakee y aid to that trade dhoti
was not any loch inesownsience faked:, lkierhsrefore hoped, that
the Houle would fee the propriety of Innwedlottly gobs/ into a
Committee, with a *kw to exempt that trade front the previews/
of the law to which be had referred. ,

The liloure Went tato the Committee, and kate vhis pier es
brio: in the Bill. It was that tnempht tspi reed a &ft and (Mond
aml ordered to be referred to a.Committee to-morrow.. ,
Mr. FOSTERineved forthe produdtkin fewest amounts re-
lative W the difpocition of..public grants, (or the fuypore of the mt.
pences of the.barraci department, and feveral eviler branchee of
ebb public fievice in Ireland, flea the Union. After fome difeuf
Son, neat of the pawn wire ordered. He a& moved for a copy
of the patent appeintisig the Commifftener of tbe Treafury in Ire-
land—Ordered. .

The ConnWitte on the AyWhiny like:ion was pc. pored till
Toefday next. . .
Mr. WILIWRFORCE pee notice that he would, on Friday
Fenniglit, bring forward a motion which had for its obJcil the im-
mediate Abolition of tbc.Slave Trade.

T hejribt Fvettequer DID' Bill W4ll, on account of the Importance
of the exteded Dehatethla evening, poltponeel tilt Finlay neat.

Mr. Secretary YORKE then moved the order of
the day, for the Houk to go into a Committee on
the Rill for the Sepettfunt of the Army of Rehire

The SPEAKER hivhrg pht the quellion from
the Chair.
Mr. prrr rote, to Rate the grounds do. which he
felt it his duty to oppote the farthicrtmogrefa of the
Bill, and Addreffad the Houle in ftilfturme ae follows:
In rifint, Sir, to oppore the motion for yOur leaning
the Chair, hiss* my intention to occupy the inci-
sion of the Houle longer than appears to ‘A abro.
lately Deftest", and therefore I have no with to
enlarge on topics cormeded with the general rubies%
Aide - ,e courre of late debates undergone
difettlfion. i3efort I proceed to the
, plan of *Mcb I have even notice
t former day, it is my with to Fa,'
nature and complexion of the Bill
lett of 'the Right Honourable Gen.
to bring under tiny confideration in
As far as I am able to underhand
• of its adoption would be to relit+.
of the benefit of that angesentadon
e force, which, in the unanimous %lA.'
tons in this Hooky, ought to be the
tof attention with his Majefiy's Go-
would be to relinquith all chance of
of future benetit,arifing from a
though in many paliiis at view into
td, has had the died of procuring,
of twelve months, a more confider.
Ation of our regular force than could
Seen obtained in any other way, at the
the cite-unlike:tees in which the men-
into altivity. It appears to me that
i of benefit are given up, without
teir room any Cyllem by which the
augmentation of the regular army
If I underhood the ItAten.cnt of
irable Secretary of State below me,
meafures, by the adoption of which
Uteri flattered themfelves that they
tugment the regular difpofable force
The firli of there meafures was the
,e voluntary offers of a certain pro-
riffs Militia to extend their Cervices to
The fecund meafure had in view the
the Militia of Ireland. The lafl of
ceded to the great objeft in view was
number of new regiments to be
it of that competition which is at
itted to be molt fatal ro the fpeedy
regular army. On there different
ed for the augmennuion of cur dd.
is not now my intention to enlarge ;
permitted to obferve, that in none of

i
'tens does there. feels to be any thing which is at all
kulated to be effattual in roasting the consple•
:ma of the ()Ned which, without exception, is admit•
:cd to be of the 14 eonlequer.ce in the prefent cir-
cumfiances of the Empire. It is true, that a certain
empoTtion of the Irillt Militia have volunteered theit

-% iccs to th. country. In this oar, it is doubtful
. - _

The;:ntr there is lefs of policy than of national ad-
-ritage. Delon, the Houfe can admit the policy of
cceiving fuck cress, it becomes neccdary to look a
aeto ihe degree in which the interchange of the
..c:s ot-the Militia of both counerres, is to be coadoe•
td, and i may add whether, in extraordinary circuits.
in :es, this interchange ought to be encouraged t It
•annot. in reafan, be denied, that fuck an interchange
ull depend on circumliances of ipecial emergency.
what I maintain is, that the acceptance of the ye-
r.tary (tiers el' the militia of Ireland at this time,
"^' only produaive of all the evils &riling from an
J interchange of ferviees, but can be attend-
cant- of the advantages arifing from loch a
are r I,yinating from well confidercd views

nib t

cral. On the fuLjelt of the augmcnt At
ra of lteland, my o2iii.01:11 arc CO: b)

any means different. It will not be difpikeeffbrifis
Majelly's Minillers, that the offert of ektefided cer-
vices by a certain proportion of the 'Militia bf' Ire-
land depends for acceptance in a great Meafare an
this fubfequent meafure. It is allowed on all Igands,
that Ireland cannot lofe filch a proportion of the
mean, of-its defence without 'receiving fomething
like ab adequate return. We 'Mull underßand
that the augmentation pr.: poled is meant to form
the return to which I hare referred. .But will any
Gentleman in this Honk' for a moment affirm, that
a mere refelution for the augmentation of the Irifh
militia will at all conspenfate for the loft of a conft•
derable proportion of troops, allowed on all hands to
be adequate to the defence of Ireland. combined with
the regular military force. In fae, Sir, if Minifiers
ad confißently; .the offers of the Irifh Militia can•
not be accepted ankle fame return be made to Ire-
land. By the fylient of augmenting the militia, this
return cannot be expeded a confiderable period,
and therefore the one me-aline knot only inconfiftent
with• the•other. but utterly itiefficient for any obje&
of obtaining s greater difpofable force. ' No Min
will go beyond me in assintaiding that the militia
are a conftitutimsel, a refpettable. abd a moft ufefol

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forte when kept within proper limits, and applied to
thapecific objet of their formation- It mull, how-
eve, he with every man a quettion of peculiar jea-
bury to find the militia come in competition with the
teen army nnder any eircuraftances, but more
pecnharly under the chcumftances in :which the
propofed meafures of Minifiers sicced:wily placed
that competition. :They admit that there is a octet
Pity for the augmentation of the dirpolable force of
the country. They fix on Ireland as that part of the
empire where that difpolablefori-e is to be more rea-'
dily procured, and at the time they are holding this
language they are determined that the militia of Ire-
land (hall be to a confiderable degree entreated. it
mull, Sir, appear fingnlar, that alien the deficiency
of the quota of the Army of Referve to be farnifhed
by Ireland is materially deficient, it thould be pro-
pofed to augment the militia—a fpecies or force con-
felledly limited to Cervices, lees applicable to our
prefent circumflances. , If new levies are to be
made, why are there deficiencies in the Army of Re-
feree, or why are not the new levies to have the
precittleacy ? The tnifchief of -competition is allow-
ed. The profeffed tea of Minifters is to have a
difpofable force, yet with there admillinas, the mili-
tia of Ireland, allowed On all hands to be limited in'
their &tins of fer'eice, are to counteraft,the new re-
gular levies.fir which; on a former occafinn, fa much
merit was claimed. It is admitted that by the mel
fare of the Army of kelerve, we ha've obtained a
very 'confideiable anigmentation of our difpolabte
force. In Ireland it is propofed that the minus hull
he augmented. Oa what principle thin is it that the
opeXidon of the Referee Bill is not fufipendeid in that
country ? Mere Mr. Yorke fignified that a Bill was I
brought in lot futpending the Aft in Ireland:]
Pitt continuing hts argument, proceeded to faY. if
the law is to be preferred in force, on what principle
is it, that though there are now deficiences in the
Army of Referve for Ireland, to the amount of fix
or (even thoufand, the augmentation of the militia
is to be preferred to this force ? Will it be pretended
that the augmentation of the militia will fo materi-
ally ecinnibute to the °Nee in view, as the angmen-
union of the Artny of Referee, from which coolant
fupplies for the regtlar dirpufable force of the cons.
try may be fairly and reafonably expeeteal? It is
really not eafy to afcertain on what ground a force,
though not generally difpnfable in the fiat inianee,
yet not indifpoted to general fervice, Mould be loft
fight of, while a fpecics of force which. by their
confiltution, is confined to limited fervice, fbonld be
preferred. Mull the fyllem which Minikes had fo
much favoured, as calculated to add to the difpofa-
ble force of the country, be altogether abandoned,
becaufe it might not have accomplithcd all that was
capered from it in their Carpi= expeftations ? I
really cannot confider it in any other view than
a IMAM inimical to that meal-are which Mini-
tiers hold out to our obfervation. On the one
hand, if the militia of Ireland is augmented, the
levies for the regular army mull in a great men.
lure be fufpended. On the other hand, if the
les:es for the regular force are to be carried for.
ar,i. the propofition for augmenting the trial mili.
tia is altogether prepollerons. The language of Mi.
niflers is, that toe), wart to have men at a reduced
bounty. But how is it that they carry their obeit
into practice? They do not pretend to deny that their
fill cibjett is to have men for difprifable pupates, and
this they hold folds as the objelt which ought to have
precedence of every other confederation. It is rather
curious, however, to look at the mode in which they
reduce the plan to practice. They with recruits for
the regulars in Ireland, and they are dcfirrus of hay.
ing m augmentation of the militia in the fame coun-
try. It is In vain, Sir, to deny that the competition
in theft cafes is altogether unequal, and that where
it is propofed to raile ten thoufand additional militia
in Ireland, the plan of railing a niimlacr of new regi-
ments is quite imprafticable and impolitic. On every
general principle then, I do moll heartily contend,
that the fulpenfinn of the Army of Referve Aft is
not at all called for on principles of neceflty, of po-
licy. or utility. In Rating this, I w ill. it to be fairly
endetflood, that my opinion is founded on general
principles. A great dral of argt.nient will not be
nevem to MeV.' that thole who malt sealoully oh.
jelled to the Army of Referee ought roe to ag:tc to
the motion now before the Houle. If they chjcetted
to the Aft in ccmfcquence of the high bound-s taith
it encouraged—if they think that the principle of the
ballot which it promoted did not proceed sin comb.
;utional principles—if they were ccnvinced that it did
not proceed on conditutinnal principles, then, Sir,
they (urcly cannot give their atlei.t to the motion new
eubasit'ed to our confidetation. If the hill is fo
much liable to centime, if it is fo little in cordonarce
a-ith the opini•.ns of theft Gentlemen, they cannot
raid: be t4::bt.c.l van d.c fulpenlion of fuels a area-

whicr have in the
e moll ample dif
efcription of the
ei the Haste on a
sir words on the
hich it is the obje
ennuis motion tc
Committee. As
the only 'feet
ills all chance of
our difpnfable fa
inn of all perfon
rincipal obfl of
ernment. It wen
e continuance o
afure which, the
eded and retarded
ithin the (pace o
ble augmentation
Chaps have been
'me and under thi
um was carried in
11 there chances
bflituting in thei
real objea of the
to be obtained.
e Right Honour
ere were three m
is Majefly's/dinif
ould he able to au
f the country. 1
cceptance of the
oruon of the Irifh
is country. Thi
9gmentation of el
meafures dire&
e formation of a
lifecl, independent
moment admit
ecruiting of the r
Jeafunespropokd
fable force, k is
et 1 mutt be pets