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like many others..6-Q. By -whom waitthe letter sent.
to her ? A. By Mr..Elderton, or his Q. Am
I to understand it was inclosed by Eldertoxt to the
wi toes.; ? A. Yes.—Q. And that she, in consequence,
!hewed it to the Commander-in. Chief ? A. Yes, to
s Lew the man was grateful.
Q. (By the C114NC1141.011 of the Excneoveit.) Did
not witness understand that Carter was a natural son
of Captain Sutton ? A. No, I did not ; people may
have said Did Captain Sutton take care of
the education of the boy ? A. Captain Sutton did
take care of his education before he came to me, and
he used to go to school when he was in my service.—
Q. In what regiment was Captain Sutton ? A. Ido
not know ) he • was originally a volunteer, and was
wounded while he was a Lieutenant of grenadiers.
He was latterly Deputy Fire Master at Woolwich.
He was tlit intimate friend of the Duke of York and
Prince of Wales for twelve years, and Would have been
expoied to great want at the close of lis life, were_ it
not for me. . • =
Q. (By General NORTON. y' DUI she consider Carter
in a light above the .other servants ? _ A. I certainly
did, for.he was very faithful to me.,
Q. (By a Mestaxa.) Did witness ever make-any
return to the Income tax t: A. r believe I did not.—
Q. Any return to the assessments for carriages, hor-
ses,' or men servants t A. Yes, I -believe I did.—
Q. .Can she recollect the number? A. I used to for-
get a* great number of them when they came to, be
Fat down.
Q. By Mr. LOCI.CHART. (The passage in her letter
to Donovan hairing been shown to her) I wish to ask
the witness what she means by the expression to faci-
litate a negotiation. Did she ever give any letters to
Wardle 'to facilitate a negotiation ? A; Yes, not those
that he ran away with. The letters I mean, related
to the recommendations of Field Officers to the Com-
Wander in Chief, for Companies below the regulated
price ; Frome was to have been concerned in it.—Q.
If witness referato the passhe will find that one
of the letters Mentions the, Queen, and another, two
Deaneries ? A. Yes, but those were the letters tbat
Wardle look away.—Q. How would the delivery of
these letters tg Colonel Wardle facilitate any negocia-
tion ? A. I thought they might. It was necessary
to have the recommendation of a Field Officer or a
Member of Parliament. He told me he would do it
byla Vf,ember not in Opposition, because I knew any
man on that side of the House could not recommend
to the Duke of York.—Q. Who does the witness mean
by he ? A. Colonel Wardle. _
Q. (By Sir J. Swimmer.) Did the Duke of York
ever tell her, he was informed she received money
for getting prcnnotions in the army ? A. No, no one
ever dared to tell him so.

Q. (By Mr, Gitztonammi.) Did the Dnke of
York ever tell her that means would be employed to
snake these recommendations irregularly obtained ap-
pear regular ? A. No, he did not ; but he said he
would take care that all should appear right.
Witness ordered to. withdraw.

Colonel WARDLE,—" 1 am now aware of what
Mrs. Clarke means by the expression relating to ne-
gociation. The letters sent by Donovan to her were
for the purpose of having them signed by some Ge-
neral Officer or Member of Parliament. One of
these she has stated to you to have been signed by Ge-
neral Clayering. The other three or four I got from
her with the intention of having them signed by a
Member of Parliament. I believe I may have stated
to her that my friends were in the opposition, and
therefore not likely to have much influence with the
Commander in Chief."

Colonel WARDLE examined by the CHANCELLOR of

the EXCEiKQU- ER.

Q: Are all the letters the Honourable Member ob-
tained from Mrs. Clarke on the table ? A. Ido not
know ; if there are any relating to the subject of this
inquiry that are not, I have no objection to produce
them. _ _ _

Q. Has the witness to lay on the table the letters
he got by violence from Mrs. Clarke ? A. I have no
objection :o lay on the table all letters relating to
Officers so recommended. _

[Lord FoucsToNz having have suggested something
to ti:e witness,] . . -

Sir G. HILL rose to order. He said it was very
Irregular in any person to whisper to, or communi-
cate in any way with a witness under interrogation.-
Mr. WINDHAM maintained that a suggestion
might be given to a Member so situated, as to what
was pr.-per for him to do, but not to direct or enable
Lim to shape his answer. _ _ _

Lord FOLKESTONE stated that he conceived the
examination of the witness had closed, and that what
he had taken the liberty of suggesting to him, related
in no way whatever to the subject of his examination.
Under these circumstances he conceived he had a
right to communicate with him.
Mr. WHITBREAD contended that it was conso-
nant to parliamentary usage to do so.
The CHANCELLOR. of the • EXCHEQUER
observed, there would be no great use in discussing
this principle theoretically, when there was no fact
before the House. He would assert, however, that the
only difference-between a Member under examination
and a common witness was, that the former was ex-
amined in his place, and the latter at the Bar. Nov
supposing a witness at the Bar under embarrassment,
what would be thought of it if a person should be
found to prompt him ? If it were wrong in this in•
stance, it would not be more right in a MeMber of
that Hors:. The difference of situation should make
'no differenCe as to the application of the principle.
Mr. WINDHAM contended that the arguments
of the Honoutable Gentleman did not at all
apply in tin, instance. The Honoutable witness had
a question put to hint as a prosecutor, and not as a
. witness.

Mr. CANNING said, if the question was not put
to him as• a witness, the case was clear.

Mr. WHITBREAD would still maintain, that a
Member; under examination, had a right to commu.
those about him.

Mr. C. JOHNSTONE suggested, that as there
was w- question before the liouse, the discussion
should terminate, and the Committee proceed in the
business belore it.
After few word,: from Mr. BATHURST and. Mr.
Worm r--%7), the eNatnination was renewed by Mr.
amtaarczu,
Q.. Are there any.-letters relating to the object-of
i ',Nulty -received by the Honourable Member
from NI, 5, Clarke, which he has any objection to lay
the table (Colonel Wardle.) I know of none

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in her letter
have made no memorandum of the transaction.
Mr. GREENWOOD was next called in, and examined
by Colonel WARDLE.
Q. I wish the witness should be asked if Mr.Frome
is in his office ? 'A. No.—Q. Did he not succeed to
the situation of one of his clerks who has lately left
him ? A. No.—Q. Did he not come to town to sup-
ply the place of that clerk ? A. No, he came to town
to settle an old account, relating to the Military Col-
lege.—Q.- When did he settle that account ?A. He
is settling it now.—Q. Where does he transact that
business ? A. Very near my office, in Charing-crop.
Q. (By General LorTus.) Is witness agent to the
22d Dragoons ? A. No.—Q. Does he recollect any
aifference between the Commander in Chief and him,
relating to the Paymastership of that regiment ? A.
Certainly Clot.--Q. Is it in the power of any agent to
recommend a Paymaster ? A. The recommendation
comes front the Colonel of the regiment; the Secretary
at War takes care that the sureties are sufficient ; and
the appointment is submitted by the Commander in
Chief to his Majesty.—Q. Then the Commander in
Chief has othing to do with it, but to lay it before
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his Majest ?A. I never knew le had.—Q. Do you
know a person-of the name of Elderton ? A. Yes.—
Q. Had you any difference with the Duke of York
respecting his appointment to a Paymastership ? A.
Never.—Q. Did the Duke of York ever apply to you
respecting Elderton ? A. He told me that a person
Of that name would call on me ; that I might make
inquiry respecting his character and sureties.
Q. (By Colonel WARDLE.) Did the witness ever
write to Mrs. Clarke ? A. I believe 1 did.—Q. What
was the purport of his letter ? A: It was in answer
to a note from her respecting a Captain Thompson of
the cavalry, a brother, I understand, of her's.
Q. Did he state in that note, he was sorry
.she got
acquainted with Finnerty ?A. No.—Q. Did he ever
send any message to that effect by a person of the
name of Taylor ? A. No.—Q. How long was Mr.
Frome in his office before he left him ? A. I cannot
say. I dismissed him when I discovered he was traf-
ficking in commissions.
Q. (By Lord FOLKESTONE.) By whom was the
note to Mrs. Clarke sent ? A. By Taylor.—Q. Is
the witness acquainted with Mrs. Sinclair, or Suthet.
land ? A. Yes.—Q. How many years ago did he
first become acquainted with her ? A. It is six or
seven years ago since I first saw her.—Q. How long
is it since he saw her last ? A. I have not sten her
these two years.—Q. On what occasion did he last see
her ? A. On a mere visit of civility. I had no par-
ticular object.—Q. What led to his acquaintance with
Mrs. Sinclair ? A. My first acquaintance with her
was through a friend.---Q. Was it in consequence of
her intimacy with the Duke of York ? A. That may
have been one cause of my acquaintance with her.
I am aware that the Duke of York was .acquainted
with her. lam not aware that he was intimate with
her.—Q. What was the general character of that lady ?
The . CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
objected to this mode of examination, and the witness
was ordered to withdraw.
A conversation of considerable length.' took place,
whether Mr. Greenwood should be further examined
on this point.
The CHANCELLOR of the ExcuxQuEst, Mr. BERES-
FORD, and others, contended that he ought not to be
examined as to the general character of a Lady who
was not before the-House, and whose credit ought
not to be impeached when it was not in question on
the present subject. . It was on the other band in-
sisted on by Lord FOLLESTONE, Mr. C. WYNNE, Mr.
WIFDRAIA, and others, that as it appeared her recom-
mendation had-been attended to by the Duke of York,
it was proper and necessary the witness should dis-
close what he knew to be her general character ; and
it was at length decided, after Lord FOLKESTONE had
=to withdraw his last question, that the witness
lel again be called in.
Mr. GREENWOOD re-admitted, and examined by Lord
FOLKESTONE.

Q. Do you know of any connection having ever
subsisted between the Duke of York and Mrs. Sin-
clair or Sutherland ? A. I have heard there was.—
Q. Do you know any fact which enables you of your
own knowledge to say such a connection did subsist ?
A. I have heard Mrs. Sinclair herself say so.—Q. Did
you ever hear her say she was with child by the Duke
of York ? A. Yes, I have.—Q. Did you ever know
of a house at Hamburgh being taken for Mrs. Sin-
clair to lie in at ? A. No.—Q. Do you know of any
measures taken for that purpose ? A. No.—Q. Can
you of your knowledge say if Mrs. Sinclair ever got
a troop or company for a friend of her's, .of the Duke
of York ? A. Certainly not.—Q. Can you speak po-
sitively that you never corresponded with her on the
subject ? A. I can positively say I never did.—Q. Do
you recollect ever writing to Mrs. Sinclair on any mi-
litary matter ? A. I recollect she wrote to me on the
subject of getting a company for a son of General
Davison's, which I did not apply for ; and also to
obtain leave of absence for him, which I did apply
for, and in which, I think, I was successful.—Q.
Was Mrs. Sinclair, to your knowledge, given to un-
derstand that Officer was promoted on her application ?
A. No.
Q. (By Mr. C. Ao/6is.) You have said before
that you had sent an answer to Mrs. Clarke by Mr.
Taylor. Was it Mr. Taylor the shoemaker ? A.
Yes.7-Q- How came you to do so ? She sent
him to me.
Q. (By Sir Jowl SEiniaAT.) Was the name of
Mr. Elderton ever sent to you as a proper person for
a Paymaster ? A. Yes *; he was recommended to me
for that appointment.—.-Q.. Was he ever appointed a
Paymaster ? A. Upon a vacancy offering in Sir Ro-
bert Abercrombie's regiment, I recommended him to
Sir Robert as a proper person to fill that office.
Q. (By Sir T. WILLIAMS.) no you know of any
large sum of rnoner'having been paid by the Duke
of York to Mrs. Clarke, during her residence in Glou-
cester-place ? A. No large sums ever went through
my hands to Mrs. Clarke ; nor any sum at all.
Q. (By Mr. C. ADAMS.) YOU said you had a Cor-
respondence. with Mr. Taylor : *hen did it take Soma
A. A few days ago.
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cumstances which created in my mind objections, and
I wrote to Sir Robert Abercrombe to inform him of
them.—Q. What led to these objections ? A. Sbme
accounts I had received Irons. Bristol, that he bad
done some acts which witsnot-- very honourable.—
Q. What was the consequence of these discoveries ?
—A. I wrote an account of them to Sir Robert Aber-
combie, and his appointment was in consequence de-
layed for some time, but I understood that after-
wards Mr. Eldertoen or some of his friends wrote to
Sir Robert Aberctunbie on the subject, and the ap-
pointment was made out in consequence of the re-
commendation of Sir R. Abercrombie.
Q. (By Mr. ABERCROMBIE.) After the objections
were made, did any conversation take place on the
subject between the Duke of York and you ?. A. No.
Q How did you know of any subsequent application
to Sir Robert Abercombie ? A. I think I have letters
from Mr. Abercrombie to that effect,
The witness was told he might withdraw.
The next witness called in was Colonel GORDON.
Q. (By Lord FOLKESTONE.) Have you looked at
the Documents respecting the exchange between
Lieutenants-Colonel Knight and Brooke ? A. Yes, .1
have.
The documents were then put in and read.
Q. Are you acquainted with Major Turner ? A. I
was acquainted with him.—Q. When was the last
time you saw him previous to his tendering his resig.
nation ? A. I cannot say exactly. He called on me
to give me notice of his intention.—Q. Did he solicit
any other situation ? A. I do not recollect that he
did.—Q. Did he inform you of his intention ? A.
Yes he did ; and texpressed my surprize at it, and de.
sired him to recollect himself and consider it seriously ;
not wishing an old officer, with whom I had some
acquaintance, to quit the service. He said he had
got into some scrape about a lady.—Q. Did he men-
tion her name? A. No. He was going to do it, but
I stopt him, as I usually did on such occasions, not
wishing to hear from officers more than the nature of
their business actually required.
Q. (By Mr. CREEVEY.) Is it within your know-
ledge, that if a complaint was made against an Offi-
cer, of his having behaved ill to a Lady, be, would be
called to an accotint for it ? A. That would depend
on the terms in which the complaint was made. The
letter in question stated, that the Genmal of the
District knew all the circumstances.---Q. Has it come
to your know ledge, that on an anonymous letter are
signation has been stopt ? A. I cannot say as to a re-
signation ; but all anonymous letters are invariably
attended_
.toj and art inquiry was made in the proper
course. .
The witness was told he might withdraw.
General NORTON stated briefly that he had
known a similar case, in which all the circumstances
took place as in that then alluded to.
The next witness was General RQCHrOBT.
Q. (By the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.) Do
you recollect the name of Samuel Carter, who lived
with Capt. Sutton ?A. Yes.—Q. Was he understood
to be Capt. Sutton's natural son ? A. I always un-
derstood- You know Captain Sutton ? A.
Perfectly we11..--Q. Did he give Carter a. good edu-
cation ? I believe the best he could. •He was
well edotated himself, and he always took great
pains with* boy.—Q. Did Carter dine at :Captain
Sutton's table ? A. I cannot say.--Q. When did
Captain Sutton die ? I cannot say exactly. I believe
about two or three years ago.
The witness was tolekhe might withdraw.
Lord FOLKSTONE stated that the Solicitor to
whom he alluded, and for whose attendance a sum-
mons was issued, Mr. Duff, he had learned, was in the
lobby. The papers in his possession originally be-
longed to a bankrupt of the name of Kennett. As
soon as be heard Mr. Dui was in the lobby, he went
out to him, and the result of the conversation was,
that Mr. Doff was willing. to deliver the papers to
Lord Folkestone ta-rnorrow. morning. That inten-
tion he had stated to the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
who had no objection to it. He had therefore now
only to say, that he would communicate to the House
his opinion upon those papers when the House nextetnet.
The House then resumed, and the Chairman re-
ported progress. Ordered to sit again to-morrow
(this day), when Mr. Jeremiah Donovan, Mr. Hux-
ley Sandon, and Mrs. Clarke were ordered to attend.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER intimated his
expectation that the Committee would be able to con-
cluck the examination of evidence tomorrow.

THURSDAY, EEBRU.A.RY,I6.
PRICE OP srocts THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK :
Console, for money, 87F—for February 6741--Oinn. I pr.
Exchequer Bills ifs. to 13s. pre. •

Yesterday we received letters by the Jamaica Mail, which ar-
rived on Tuesday. The vessel by which the Mail arrived, brings
very large remittances in Bullion to our Merchants here, besides
orders for goods to a very great extent. Our limits only permh
us to state, that the misunderstandings between the House of
Assembly of Jamaica and the Military, with the Governor at
their head, still subsist.
We have already noticed tke arrival of the Algeciras, from
Cadiz. We are sorry to state, that the private letters received
by this conveyance, tend very much to extinguish our hopes of
any further successes, or even exertions in support of the Patrio-
tic Cause.
The principal inhabitants, or rather the Members of the Su-
preme Junta, are said to be divided among themselves, and the
party of MORLA, the, avowed partisan of King Joscru, is said
to have gained an ascendancy.
A number of arrests took place on thi 2d instar.t, and appre-
hensions were hourly entertained of popnlit commoti.)ns.
The Governor of Cadiz., VIRUEZ, has arlived in the Algezi-
rae, with CEVALLIOS, besides a number of distinguished person-
ages. The cause of their leaving Cadiz cannot lopg be concealed.
The French and Spanish squadrons were •moving, into the
outer harbour, and hopes were entertained. that they would be
got off in the event of a change of the popular sentiment, in fa-
vour of the french.
The San Jusre, a Spanish man of war, had arrived * Cadiz
from Vera Cruz, with 9,200,000 dollars on board, fot die use of
the Patriots. •
By'the William, Captain Hot-max, a vessel arrived at Yoiver-
r pool, In twelve days from Lisbon, we learn that tire*, sail or
tr.tipernt Witb troops pa board, under convoy of is:frigate, had
loft the Tagus
the
Cacilz;tbit day before the William sailed. The
ramaitaderof the peakth troop :n Portugal wept preparmg to sail
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There is no information in my Om, I bad you any haowledge bina periam'to the Mice
withhold. The Honourable Gentleman has ofNork's mention of bim to you ? A. I believe he
tit tb attack me ; I wish- to put the Committee' bad applied at mi Office for a clerkship, but lam
ission of all the paper 4 and information I have. no; -clear as to that point. •
By Mr. LOCKHART.) When did the witness Q. (By Sir A. Wst.t.zuzy.) Did you make any
the letters from Mrs. Clarke that she mentions enquiries respecting Mr. Elderton ? A. Yes.—Q.
etter to Dbnovan ? A. Ido not recollect, I Were those enquiries satisfactory ? A. They were
ade no memorandum of the transaction. _ al first, but afterwards I was informed of some cir-