Star.
London, England, 1823-05-24 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

At a quarter to four o'clock the Deputy Usher of the Black
Rod appeared at the Bar, and summoned the House to the
House of Peers.
Upon the Semites return he informed the flour that the
Royal Assent bad been given to certain Bills (for which see the
Lords' Bern.)
Mr. BYNG presented a Petition from certain Table Beer
Brewers against the Beer Bill. Also a similar Petition from
Thomas Spring—Ordered to Reopen the table.
Sir C. MORGAN presented a Petition from a certain Magis-
trate of the county of Monmouth, in favour of the 'Bill then before
the House for a revision of the Laws respecting Masters and,
Servants.

After a few words from Mr. P. Moose, the Petition was or-
tiered to be printed.
Mr. DAWSON moved, that there be hid before the House
Copies of the Report of the Commissioners appointed to inquire
into the Courts of Justice in England.—Ordered.
Mr. JER VANE presented a Petition from the Owners and
Occupier; of Lends in the county of Hants against the Game
Laws at present existing.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. DENISON presented a Petition frost the'Llhabitarits
of the Borough of Southwark, praying that the Duty on Beer
may be repealed, and that the Duty may be transferred to Halts
—Ordered th be printed.
Mr. S. WHITBREAD presented' a Petit* from the Inks-'
bitants of Uxbridge, against Slavery in the West Indies.—Or-
dered to lie upon the table.
Mr. LINDSAY presented a Petition from cartels Linen Ma.
nufacturers of the Works of Kenmuir spinet the Scotch Linen
and Hempen Canvas Bill.
After some ebeervations from Mr. S. Woathalre Mr. PHILLIPS
Sir R. Fthaoson and Mr. Mummy, the Petition was brought
up, read, ordered to lie on the table, and be printed.
A Message was delivered from the Lords, communicating the
assent of their Lordships to several public and private Bills.

IRISH INQUIRY.

Mr. CALCRAFT moved-the Order of the Day
for proceeding in the inquiry into the conduct of the
Sheriff of Dublin.

Lord CRANBORNE made some observations.
which were inaudible in the gallery, and moved as
an Amendment the Order of the Day for the second
reading of the Sale of Game Bill.
Mr. CALCRAFT said, that the Noble Lord was
surely noking game of the House in putting the,
Game Law into competition with the inquiry. No'
object could be answered by delaying the proceeding
in that inquiry, and he had moved. it in order to
further the business of the House, became a great
number of witnesses were • waiting to be examined,
and the great inconvenience which delay would cause
to the Public, as well as thy great expense which it
would entail on the Public, required that the business
should be decided one way or the other. To stop
the inquiry. at a moment when the Sheriff wasin the
nitddle of his defence was such a proceeding as he
believed had never been heard of in a Conn of Jus-
tice, and as he certainly bad never before heard of in
that House. He hoped, therefore, that the Noble Lord
would withdraw his Amendment, and let the Order
of the Day be read as a matter of course.
Mr. PEEL would assure his Noble Friend, that he
was as anxious as he could be that the subject of the
Game Laws should be submitted,to the-House, but
he could not help thinking, that if they were to pro-
ceed at all in this inquiry; it was necessary, in every
point of view, .to pfoceetl immediately. He had•
seen, the other day, the bill of one witness, which
had amounted to EWA, and he had not been in Lon-
don snore than twenty-one days. He thought. that
was a cogent argument .either to close the proceed-
ings entirely, or te_proceed that night.
Lord CRANBORNE withdrew his Amendment.
Colonel BARRY said, that he agreed with every I
other Gentleman in wishing that this inqniry should
be brought to a speedy conclusion. But on Wednes-
day evening the Honourably Member for Knaresbo-
rough would not give up his -motion; yesterday, the
Honourable Member for Bridgenorth would not give
up his; and, if tip House had not interfered, he be-
lieved that he should bare met with the same deter.
.urination in every Member who had a motion for the
lest week. He *VA 'therefore, thankful to the Ho-
nourable Meallier tar hislipsiasaoce. The time whit •
examination of his witnesses might take Woo
nne so much -4frpmW ippon himself, as upon those
tlemen who tk - it Itllirevent view of the subject
11..11i,m4C. TOafarAila negeallri tar. the di-j
eilie.lieLspetsiedeapyaithe than five minutes,. but
.iii the whale erautd depend entirely cm
tier OZ*Minatioll.

Mr.,S.IE sukgested, that many witnesses might
be relieved from the inconvenience of attendairce, if
the Gentlemen on both sides would enter into some
arrangement amongst- themselves. It was evident
that many witnesses were in attendance who were
'not likely to be wanted; and if they were allowed to
return, a great service would be rendered to them;
ands great saving to the Public.
Sir J. GRAHAM said, that, in his opinion, the
inqnisy might be stopped without the least inconve-
nience. • He was. sure that they had all heard enough
of the case, and if they proceeded fatther thermight
go on for sit months, because the evidence of each
witness rendered it necessary to call other witnesses.
He thought it would he better to put an end to it at
once, and he would therefore move that the Oi der
of the Day be read that day six months.
Lord MILTON said, that the proposal of the Ho-
nourable Baronet was mist cxuaordinary. The
House had resolved upon. an inquiry into the con-
duct of the Sheriff; that inquiry had commenced,
and an Honourable Gentleman on the other side had
opened the defence: would it then be proper to step
the inquiry while that Honourable Gentleman was
is the middle of his defence?

Mr. Secretary CANNING said, that although he
had originally opposed the inquiry, yet having once
commenced, he could not consent to stop it, as long
as any Gentleman on either side could say that he
had any material evidence to offer. Unquestionably
no man felt more than himself the inconvenient si-,
tnation into which the House had brought itself, and,
vrithout passing any.opiniou, he might fairly state,
that the inquiry had not answered the expectations
of the Gentlemen on either side ; Iva whilst any
question remained to be asked, he should be adverse
to a termination.

Sir J. NEWPORT thought, that it would be im-
possible to terminate the inquiry whilst the Sheriff
was in the middle of his defence.
Mr. S. BOURNE suggested, that no witnesses
should be summoned in-addition to those in England.
Colonel BARRY said, that he would now state,
that lie should feel it his duty, in the event of any
witness whom he called not appearing, to move that
the Chairman be insntitted- to move the House that
such witness. be committed to the custody of the
Serjearlt at Arms. .
Sir J. GRAHAM withdrew his Atnendment, and
the House resolved itself into a Committee.
Colonel BARRY then moved, that Gabriel Whist-
ler be called to the Bar.—The witness was called,
but did not appear.
Colonel BARRY said, that the name of this wit-
ness had 'been included in the list whfch had been
put into the hands of the Hpnourable. Member for
Westminster, and he had been siummoned in conse-
quence; but that he had then written to the Speaker,
informing him that he was Sub-Sheriff, and as both
the Sheriffs, as well as Mr. Mansfield, his own clerk'
were then in London, he could not leave his office.
Mr. Mansfield bad now returned to Dublin, and suf-
ficent time had elapsed 'for the attendance of the wit-
ness. He should therefore move, when the House
resumed, that an Order should be issued for com-
mitting the said Mr. Whistler to the custody of the
Serjeant at Arms. - •
Mr. M. A. TAYLOR said, that it would be ne-
cessary first.to prove that the Order of the House
had been served.

Mr. WYNN thought, that in this case such proof
was not necessary.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, that this case was of great
importance. He thought that it *a.; necessary to
shew that the Order had been served. Did that fact
appear upon the Votes? It was a matter which
ought to be inquired into by testimony.
Sir J. NEWPORT said, that the Order of the
House for the attendance, in the fit st instance, had
never been discharged.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, that the only question
then was as to the right or discretion. As to discre-
tion, no one could doubt, that when the House waved
the Order for attendance, in consequence of the letter
of Mr. Whistler, it rendered a new order necessary.
Mt. Gifford, the messenger, was then called in and
examined by Colonel BAaav, as to the service of the
notice. He stated that be had served the notice at
the office of Mr. Whistler, and that Mr. Mansfield
hid then been present.
Mr. ABERCROMBY suggested that a new order.
iliould be seat, commanding immediate attendance.
Mr.WYNN thought that the Hausa should resume,
rder that they might save that evening's post.
The SPEAKER, afprr.givingjiis opinion on the
point of hum, said that he rose to suggest that the
chairman of the Committee should be instructed to
make soy, report.
Aker • some further conversation the House re-
mused, and Sir R. Hitaon reported progress, and
stated, that the witness had not answered, in obedi-
ence to the order tsf the House.
Mr. Gabriel Whistler was ordered to attend the
House on Wednesday next, on the motion of Sir R.
/fano*, upon the instruction -of the Committee.
The House having gone into a CoMmittee,
fleory Charles Bin was called im—lie said he was Town'
Major of the city of Dublin, and n Police Magistrate. Ptevienn
to the visit of the Lord Lieutenant to the Theatre., the public
irritation was considerable. It was caused by the prevention of
the dressing of the Statue. lie thought that feeling might haye
heels increased by the committal of some persons charged with
a capital crime. The committal war prOcured principally by
the Crown Offiessa7the Attorney am.t Fadicitor-General, and
Mr. Townshaid. He was not awarer until he was desired to,
make out a committal, that the charge was of a appal nature.
Whores did-not know the exact description of the offence.botini
the committal was finally prepared. Them was a variety if in-
formations upon the subject; but artiness, though he saw most
of them; did not see thefts all. After the witnemes were soroen,
the hiagistrate was soonetinses ordered tuleaye the room. Prra.
Sons were bound over to prosecute previously to the committal
of Forbes. Witness cooctiaes,from the directions which he mil.
calved horn high authorhy, .that, Forks was anicoabie to thoi
capital charge. lie could not hive committed Forbes upon tlin
alpha charge, without thole directions, pon his, own authority.
py Mr. JONE3.--r.f .was not brehight up a lawyer. I had
doubts as to whether the evidence amounted tars capital charge.-
' Was-it in ronstridence of the opinicou delivered by the Law
Officers of the Crown that you committed Forbes upon a pi-
pits( charge?
The witness was ordered to withdraw.
Mr. BROUGHAM objected to thin course of ex-
pmination,
,as putting into the mouth of 'the witness
tingtage which he had Pevtr used, and foundingin-
ferenses upon that assumption.
Mr.JONES=The Hen. an 4 Learned Gentleman
Is doubtlessly a great authority in the.Cemmittee, at
least in his own ofpihloii.
• Mi. BROUGHAM....--Certaitily pqt; relies!' pa-.
'thing
.upon my own opinion, but I ulljeci.cal in ques..

tion the like of which I never heard, not merely ;um
a lawyer but a layman.
Mr. JONES seed that e was tarry to draw drtwil
the mighty wrath and sal elm of the Honourable:m.l
Learned Gentleman ; hou evil., it should have dump.
pression upon him.
Mr. BROUGHAM explained that he had not corn.
menced this very tiresome conversation. It teas` bt
Hon. Member who first charged him with being
mighty authority in his own opinion. lie was sum
that be had never applied such language to any
Member in that Huttse‘

The wittiest vain returned.
By Mr. Bisouctratk.—l did not apply fut the spatrneg*
of the Law Officers of the Crown, but they were tenderetrogs..
in my capacity as a Magistrate. I have been a•Poliea 11,8%"'
trate fifteen years ; I was a Magistrate before for about theme*,
of nine years. It Las not been my practice *wart-% rem
instructions of the Officers of the Crown; In all cuss(tiz
myself bound not to exercise my owe judgment. bufitifollosade!
'instructions and advice of the Law Mans of the C1.01%1440 he,
as Crown prosecutions are concereed,at least wherever law
to the Officers of the Crown.
What do you mean by resdrting? (A /an paean,) • 1
Did gnu ge to the Crown Officers yourrelf?—UnsleliA.
I went sometimes to the Solicitor for the Crown ;
happen that I event to the Crown Officers withou& goingostai,..
Crown Solicitor. If a man were arrested for sedition, I de*
take the in i fprznations and it would then be for the (Seer
Lawyers to proceed. I should not hesitatempon comrilitthikt
sedition, where I felt there vAs no. doubt. In inch curse*
present f act upon the instructions I rective.
What do you mean by following the instructions of ticfr Crew
Lawyers?— Where many were concerned, for instance, ?haw
their instructions as to those to be detsirted.

But after you commit thorn, do you follow then ink
—(No answer.)
Suppose a question was to arise as to the amount at balll4
should he guided by their Instructions; but only ast
litical offences.--(The witness complained of fatigue, outlast*
was ordered).
An objectioa *as here mode by CoL Waal- to this aft*
steal etamination..

Mr. B k OUG HA M—Of all terms under the sun, the wad
" metaphysical," a it applies to such an examination, sons to
roc the least applicable. it is a plain practical question, and cv
Ae of a plain answer.

The witness having recovered from his exhaustion, •
_.,., • tl i
Suppose the question arose as to the amount of bail, wean'
al
advice should govern you?--That of the Assistant Barrister is
the office along .wlth me. I take advice from Lawyers indiseri-
, reinately ; this has been my practice for 15 years ; I never took '
the advice of the .Counsel for the 'prisoner ; I take the advice of
the Barristers employed by the Police, bet more frelseetlon
arductus matter; I follow the advice of the Crown Lawyers.
Suppose infornittion had been lodged, that a person used a
seditious expression, or drank a disloyal toast, how should you
act ?-31ake•my report to the Crown Lawyers.
Suppose then, in such a case, you thought that the person
charged ought not to stand committed, world you, if desired by
the troWn LaWyers, commit hint 7-.71 should, certainly.
Suppose, upon the.evidence laid before you, in your opinlna
there was not evidence to commit, and 'impose the offence mot
a bailable one, and that you weer desired by Government to
commit him, would you do sod--I should follow the advice of
Government. Upon the question as to the amount of hail is •
State offences, I should follow the direction of Government. I
do not do so in other cases; such as larcenies.
By Mr. Pao.—l am bound in some cases to adopt the opt-
nion pf the Attorney-Genet 1. I am bound by law in Nets&
cases uto the admission of all approver, in cases of High Tres. I
son, lay the opinion of the Attorney-Genera:.neral. •
1
By Mr. Baoconsn.—There is nothing in the Act under;
which I am invested with authority which makes it necessary
to consul; the Government as to committing a person charged
with any crime.
fly Air. G. Lanz—l had not made up my mind to Write
.1
offence for which I should 'commit the rioters.
By Mr. Batruar.—The Act of Parliament desires mete com-
municate with Government; but Ido not recellect that it eiders
'me to receive Instructioni from Government. I signed Be de-
positions which I did not see.
By Mr. S. WiillTLET.—The.petvos were taken up t cm-
spiraey to murder ; and from what I saw of the information
before me, I did not think. thereivai enough to commit *M.
If left to myself, I should not commit diem for more these:SO-
',piracy or riot. -I had instructions from the LAW Officers to
commit for the conspiracy to nurdei, and I considered there
• must have been Nomething.liefore their, to take such a course:
By a Mnsaaa.—One information will jintily a committal;
but if there were more than one, we could not come* without
reading all. I should not red all the informations: I canal-
dered it a capital offence when the Attorney-General se coati,
dered it. Several informations were given at another
which I afterward:, saw, besides thine in the first Westin Wort
myself. Ido not recollect if I saw all the informatioos; Ira.;
saw a great many.
Has it been your habit to• see all the informations previous is
coMMittal for a serious offence ?—Always.
Then this is the only instance in Which you committed id&
out such previoua intormations?—No; I can recollect Wane
but do not remember all the circumstances. My memory has
been impaired.
fly Sir J. Naverawr.—Did you act differently in this use to
asp other with respect to your communications to Governusesst
-NO, Sir.
By Mr. Daowxxow.—Did you propose to have bail Wit! far
Mr. gorhes?-(Answer unheard).— Witness ordered to ~alt
John Gabbelt was then called io.—Baamined by Cal BMW. .
Witness was a Magistrate is, that division of Dublin in truck;
the Theatre Royal and the statue of King William wise skated.
He remembered &great deal 9f irritation had precedodaht
_at
at the Theatre. He recollected individuals being WOll4O Wee
were collected round the statue. None of the civil pow/wire
then present. Thoididividuale alluded to had been wounds 4
the miLitaiy. Witness had committed certain personi
with conspiracy to kill and murder the Lord Lieutenant. Mod
thought there were grouuds for referring the case to &JIM Y
the committal of parties accused were recomineudrd by ilk Oil
vernment he should be 'disposed to yield to their wislij tellibe-
log little inconvenience could then arise, as the panic! *Jkit
subsequently be bailed before a Judge as Chambers, who fral,m.i•
tliorised to decide upon this groinds on which a camping",
taken place. . .
By 11r. coutainitt—Mr. Toviniond, the Coapiele f.t!* Fp'sent when witness signed.the cosonalaal. .
Hy Sir J.' Ninrsoax.—Wu made a Magistrate lif a ..
which he had writtesi-twenty.yeen ma.. - , / ..,' . 'ri
By hir. Ps.umurtn.-There trete two or_ three per
on the statue on the night ot the riot, hat itwas M. . , •
witness could not set who they were. It has since brit
that Henry Handy/ids' was one.
By Colonel BA aar.—Hass- no *collection of any riatibille: •
statue previous to July last.. • •,.. •
By Mr. Baorrutow.—Firen.,Aclpfonttation
Office, the witness woutel npta if ogllligno bit- P. . •
have committed the accused. Bit there were other .
taken at other Offices, and before the Law Gainers entre E
If he had had• to decide union his owe discretion, 1' shieldshieldwai
hive committed epics the inforeratione ha had taken V ~,_..•
then have formed a more deliberate set, andlizot telem!!'
all the informations to be laid Wore him. - • - • '' . • •
The witness was then orderetlto withdraw. ..*• - • ''' • ' •
Pasco Field caPed lianctereiiiiied Sy Compel Basi_igt„.:
been hi a room of the Cattle,-andlein the Attorney-uneeM
some other Gentlemedra Mr. Calirelaraiel;•the Tsseioitsfebtry,
Crown was there. • Hid • attire. hal tit* been al lliesitlYnor
not &rote** la dttli oirsitte,'sir bein'tdreerned lei 6111 0111 v
eeediogr. Wftlirairti aiillitii 011recitibliffeb.b4lhigru:
suds questions- habit*. tp4ini? 'Hitt ier.d• he ?itidssorl...
' ;lout cdrivorliatloriiiir fet"ificPlLosed.Vayernii '. • go
deessfreg of ihrilltattii, - Ilsekbeett ihtivit -11 •
efused-td sieves tfserdlttiof firlbit',t , 4.:..../.::
it origtnalititK:„ • . '
By Mr: Otitibilfaal.Pler':ikidi rt.* ~ ~-. ~
when witnesi'W# exandwed. 1 ".... ''' • • .
* Mi. .7611 ML —Had madiOnsetiastfaiiditi-' • ...x.- -
ppt to him. Had' talc at liritrihat* -Ili* so
effete tuba marfivall:i::',,, thrdiigli the linnet -_,, ,-- ,
position ',hewn to lilsix, li:. had Veda Miffii-to 11111;f.s. ffix,n,,
more of it than a effixn or tile stolid / ' - '
• Wittlani Wirdi—Wks atdlkirriFihtdAtenttfiy..=l.
told by the Sheriff he hod ieceived *leiter fritiaVir
General about the impanelling of a J , sad the
.said he.meant to ft'erd i fair laid . • .
with
fht
besEimi

plin...--

would be' and had been paaressweneet anyteistelorieer innotrtodo uthetisio;"ofrsheri Orangemen, 1
•
but could not
not beard the Slieriff say to any one that no bill;
1„a could not -live used such words without being heard by
man's oath which prevented h• • • evidence Orange-
the
• By Sir G. lino.—
the irltf"''was no obligation of the Ora
Oy Mr. ihtntrarTs.—Mr. Millihan was 'present, and whents giving in a Court of
. ..., pat goose questions about the bills, the Sheriff said, 3.rum, Justice, if called on to do 30, as far as related to the cortmon oe-'
currences of lite. The oath chiefly related to the words and:
weer*
u ehan had charged the Sheriff with using certain
Nue •
eeprooons, touching the riot in the 'neat'''. lie had long sign! by which Orangemen were known to each other.
they had been opposed In an equity suit. Ihe Cootsatew now told the witness that his objections t
sasnrde rtihn gat the
he
e must
rtion thereforewere nboet deemed
ivalidfh ets by the
Committee;an
woo Mr. O'ReillY S
out you suppose implies a long acquaintance 7-1 do—(A
toe:loud hear).explicit;would avoid painful
jobe Atkinson was called, but did nut appear. consequence* to himself.
Or. Macnamora,
the evidence
and Mr. Ward were then e-. The witness said he was
possessed •; but let the conse h
perfectly aware of the power which
ter to the bar, and evidence of the last witness (Ward) was the fintise
might, on his head they must fah, and hegmuueisltcebseab:thwemha,
tfetr ehye
could not answer the quortion.
red over.
Mr. Macnamara wiis then examined by 111 r. Pswiturrr—atul
The CHAIRMAN said, he wished him to recollect that the
stated, that the Sheriff had said that no bills were found, adding,
oath he had taken was not a legal one,
f Have I not done it well?" Witness had no doubt that such
it would not be permitted to interfere with the of justice,Law,
and if in a Court of
oreeinns hailbeen used. The words had been addressed to
it could not possibly be suffered do ithat H
Ir. Ward, a' he lead been sin
by Mr. O'Reilly. • lieto so n ouse, which was
roe made any comparison with Mr. O'Reilly as to the testi- a much higher Tribunal.
which he stood as
rail, they would give. They did not write down their testi- The witness replied, that he felt the responsible situation in
together. lie would never say that he bad mentioned appearing before the first Assembly is the
previous to his leaving Ireland, as to Mr. world, yet, at the same time, he would noti suffer any power on
Mr. Ward's name
to
r the
wave, king present at the conversation alluded to. He did earth to stand between him and his n
oat retollect that Mr. Sheriff Thorpe said, " Mon; hlillihan is Mr. BMOC Gil A hi.—Do you rcefunge
oaths
esewes
„i;question,
-km' Ile might have said so, hut fie did not hear, it. The Yes or no ? So far from regerilin yourer
oal
look upon them as mere absurdities—Order , order 2 ! Hear, hear).
vorigeertainly redressed his conversation to the person whom
I ask if you refuse to answer the question ?—I do, distinctly.
ea. 0.1 witness was Mr. Ward. There were five or
Mr. O'Reilly
or other persons in the Office. Mr. BUTTERWOItTH rose to submit, that the lion, and
Mr. O'Holly was then called, and examined by Mr. PLUS.
nLet Learned Gentleman was out of order. He was stating the °pi-
lot—Wee in the Office when Sheriff Thorpe came in and said, neon of the Committee, which had not been declared. It had
obe etnictivtd, to Mr. 'Ward, that no bills lied heen found ;card not yet been decided in what way the scruples of the witness
:sled hint if he had net Managed the bills well ? Mr. 'Macrae- were to-he treated-Cries of" Order!" and "witness withdraw").
mars wain the Office. Mr. Sheriff Thorpe went and changed Mr. BR DUG II A M then rose, and expressed his amazement
and
iodination at the conduct of the witness; neither could he
his dress.fail to express his • •
By ao, BoaHT.—lie was standing near the Sheriff when this
Dover t
converiation took place. Ile could not say where Mr. Mamie- ( Mr. Butterworth), who had talked tonight of treating
mars was standing at the time. Witness mentioned Mr. Ward's consciences tenderly. Was this the Honourable Member's re-
name to Macnamara as being present at this conversation. geed for oaths ?-o( Hear, hear).
By Sir. Proo—lle was positive Sheriff Thorpe /node use of Mr. BUTTERWORTH rose to order. Ile submitted that the
&expressions he had mentioned to seer. Ward. language of the Hon. Member was irregular. His conscience
By Mr. H. SW3o—flu mitt Mt s. Ward were near the Sheriff might not be so much enlightened as the lion. Member's, but he
believe
libel he spoke of the bills having been ignored. lie heard no -dile acted with as reach of moral intention as the Hon. and
Learned. gentleman did.
Bran put to the Sheriff about the Bills.
B Mr. BROUG HA Ol apologized for his warmth of expression.
y Colonel SAHRY—It did not strike him as extraordinary to
hear the Sheriff speak so about the Bills. After what he bad Mr. BurrEßwon.TH expressed himself satisfied.
bead, Oe conceived it to be quite a matter of course. He knew Al r. CANNING said, this proceeding had now arrived at
tie Ward perfectly well. . that period which he had anticipated, and which /moved, that
Mr. Ward re-esamined by Mr. Goutstraw—Denit•A totally when he opposed it, be acted on good grounds. He had op-
test ever Sheriff Thor
used the expressions to him %%Itch Mr. posed the going into this inquiry, fearing it would lead to a
O'Reilly had mentioned. triumph for one or the other party. They had now gone fur-
Sr R. SHAW examined in his place by Col. BARRY—Had they than he even anticipated in evil. Ile had feared a triumph
lord and believed that Mr. Ward bore a respectable character. for one party, but worse had happened. To make a martyto
Colonel Rom said, John Atkinson was not present ; but he would be even more mischievous than to give a triumph. lie
Sought be could shew that he was the prime concocter of the cared not which party the martyr was taken from ; the conse-
business. quence on either side would be the same, and fearing those con-
wholeStr J. NEWPORT spoke to order. sequences, he was anxious, if possible, to peevent them, and to al-
Colonel BARRY hoped that the Chairman would report his ford an opportunity to the Gentleman now before them to explain.
Owns to the House. He had been there in the course of the Colonel BARRY
eveningAlio PEEL considered the better Bourse would be, not to
, but had gone away, as he knew that be (Colonel Barry)
press the question.
stone to examine him. .
The CHAIRM AN wished the Serjcant to inquire if any Mr. SCA RLETT agreed with the Right Hon. Secretary,
Hemmer knew where Atkinson was to be found? that to make a mart r, or to give a triumph, were either of them
The Serjeant said be would inquire. and returned with W. circumstances to be regretted ; but here he found must be one
Smith, who said he had seen Atkinson outside the House, and or the other, and the only question was, whether the Committee
as elm uhe saw Atkinson lie wished to conceal himself. should be the martyr, or the witness. Take which course they
By*. Prontearx.--Ho did not know that Atkinson'had been Would, be feared the triumph would be the witness's; but he
mood to obloquy on account of giving evideace there but for thought, at all events, the Committee should not be made the
eying false testimony. He slunk into a publii-house from wit- martyr. If the witness bad been before any Court of Law, and
Poised R. Fletcher. Fletcher keeps the house en Essex-bridge, answered as he had done, the Judge would have committed him,
Orman Orange Lodge is kept. and he contended, that the power of this House went as far as
By Sir Roos Nawroae.—There might be in the Orange that of a Court of Lew.
Lodges passages read from the book of Joshua ; but he believed Mr. CANNING did mot deny the power of the House to be
there was nothing read to them about rooting out the Amalekites equatto that OE a Court of Law ; on the contrary, he thought it
from the land. went funnel. t. for this House had a discretionary power ; and
Mr. GOU LBU RN here stated, that Atkinson was at the he now oplo submitted the propriety and policy in this case of
Sean with Two Necks, in Lad-Lineo-(A laugh). , . exercising thei dberetion•ary power. •
Colonel BARRY saidobe was quite sure that Atkinson's ex a After some further conversation, in which Mr. R. Sannt, the
mksation would last some hours. He did not know of any. wit-. Arromme-Gxemute, Mr. B3IOOHXHII, and Mr. WILLIAMS per-
ms but him whom he would wish to examine; except in case tieiPateds
'flay contradiction aridity. He wished to put an end to the Mr. Secretary CAXNIXO said, he thought it would be well
inairy as soon as he thought fair justice bad been done. for the House to Mender' What was the course of' proceeding
they were theri engaged in. The question wiry ivied,* to cer-
Here
a messenger was sent for Atkinson :in the mean time. ' taut things touching I* •
- Anuiekites, said to be in the book of
Sir J. NEWPORT called Sir Abraham Bradley Kiol.—Hensvex • •.- Buo
•
Joshuait behoved the-House to pause in this matter, and
had the panels put into his hands for the trials oftiii rioierie: He coesider in whit situation they 'would find themselvei after hav-
es Deputy Grand Master of one of the Orange 'Lodges, aid" ing committed two men to'Newgate for not' being able to re-
ns not ashamed to own it in that Honourable klouae. There Member a passage about the Antakkites, in the book of Joshua,
erre portions of Scripture read to Orangemen on their adtuis• should it turp out, as he apprehended it would,. that there was.
don. There was a prayer read at the opening of every Lodge. not one word on the subject from one end to the other of the
He put in a book of the thotige Institution. There were Poi- book in question—(Much leughter); •
Om of Scripture in that boOk.- There was a part of the Book Mr. BUT'PERWORTH said; that he. had been up stairs to
of Joshua read to them ; but that was part of the secrQts of tits •
. refer, and he did not find the Anialehiremonentioned in the book
baitution, which he could not divulge.; la • If • • ' Out In is omoton were of Joshua—(Lsteghter).
via nothing in it whiCh interfered with—he meant:to say—he Sir J. NEWPORT asked whether the Hon. Member bad
wiled to explain—there Wan an.obligation. 'without which he read the 10th chapter of Joshua, and the 19th verse, in which the
wished to withhold nothing. To a certain extent he was under Israelites were eikorted to root out the Amalekites?_
se oath to hold secret the words and the eigns; all but these Mr. BUTTERWORTH 'said, he would go up stairs again,
etre in the boil he had put in. Ile did riot recolleis'a verse and refer to that passage••-e(Laughter). The, Hon. Member went
km Joshua read to the Orangemen, exhorting the Israelites to 'but and ilieedily returned; when he stated that he could find no,
root out the Amalekites, and to utterly exterminate therm • But such passage--(Cries of 4 Read, read.") The Hon. Member
ties was part of hii obligation, and he must say that he could then read the passage as follows:—" And stay ye not, but pur-
ee divulge it. sue sfteryour enemies, and smite the hindmost of them ; suffer
Cohort BARRY, was neither a Freemason nor an Oran e- them not to outer into their tides, for the Loan your Grp bath
out bat he put it, whether they would demand an answer am • 1
a Freemason, k. in violation of his oath I delivered them into your hands." •
jr.D WETHERE.LL suggested the propriety of not going on
kJ. NEWPORT said, this was an illegal oath ;but if it
an further at that hour of the morning.
tae not, he thought they were bound to know whether por-
Wolof Scripture were read, exhorting one set of men to root The witness returned, and the CiseiaSois asked him if, upon
att Mother. • . reflection, be was prepared to answer the question?
The question was read; but the witness said he should like
Witness was then recalled, and the question repeated ; and he '
to refer the House generally to the pacts of the Scripture ;but
leohotd, that he could say no more, being bound by his oath. he knew it would be followed up-by other questions.
The CHAIRtIAN said, the Committee bad decided that he The CHAIRMAN said, it would be time enough to object 1
ins hosed to answer—{ Cries of, No, no).
Sri. NMWPOR't read the opinion of the Lord Chief 'GS. when such questions were proposed.
" Then," said the witness, " I refer'genendly to the Old Tes-
titt,to the trial of the rioters, against this cestlotf it crested ;for
tament, which only refers to the signs and tokens."
ire had been proved to exist, the crime would be in its ob- liir J. NEWPORT.—I conceive that the spastics, is, Do you
ortietoand not in its violation. He insisted that be was war-
object to answer in what specific part of Scripture these signs
=elk pressing his inquiry; for the House had greater power
are to be found.—The witness was ordered to withdraw.
**say Court of Justice, and there could be no doubt that it
Mr. PEEL considered the question not necessary to the pur-
ified* to absolve a witness from any oath, much more an il -
%Mato poses of investigatieer, and therefore he should not vote for a
Mr. D. BROWN deprecated the pressing of an answer, on
alleasot of the effect it would have in Ireland. He would not
4°201'..„, if he bad taken an oath, for all the inquisitorial powers of
.fistase—(A laugh). It *a • vet. well to laugh:
ton vertsseriouthings. 1 y •o_ ~ , s
au., .. zwpoirr was not inquiring into the folly of this Sir
, but into its mischievous effects.
• t• Ica. DOUGLAS 'wished Ole
• lt.
„_ „ MARTIN thought the question not to be pressed.
question should be pressed.—
"'all known fellows in the Cust • s iu Ireland commit the
Ititabominableperjuries, and why
di
__
the , when they were asked they
committal to Nevegme.
Mr. WETHERELL said it was useless to proceed with such
an inquiry. He could not go the length of committing a mon to,
Newgate for not making so irrelevant a disclosure. The Hon.
Member concluded by moving that the order of reference to the
Committee be read.—The order was read by the Clerk. .
i J. NEWPORT said, that before the question wits. put
was the time to declare that the question was Sot relevent.—
There was no way of evading the questing.
Mr. GOULBURN contended that-the witness had ansvetred
the uestion. He had said that the passages to which he alluded
were contained in the Old Testament--(Hear, heat).
,'L'O,, answer was, that before they went into the Custom-
illwi7
Allnr took an oath not to speak one word of truth while
, Priest hid even been committed for not divulging what
at heard in confession. Mr. CANNING conceived that the question bad been an-
swered. He had said that the signs referred to were captained
in the Old Testament, and unless they wished to go back again
ik• GIPPg thou let • h to their old friends, the Amalekites, he saw no possible ad-
th. w..~__
vantage which could arise from such an inquiry.
I, I N Nsaid, the question simply was, whether a
Mr. CA LCRA FT moved that the Chairman should report
Pinteteib, unauthorised by • s
law, was caps
of arresting the
cone of • •ingress and. ask leave to sit again.
justice, and stopping a solemn inquiry by one of the p
ale. '
Clurnoohen, of Parlestneet 2 , BROUGHAM seconded the motion, but with very slit-
'. BBWPORT aid. evidence
lb, e;_o.., ait was in before them, that latent feelings. He trusted the Committee would never spin
be laced in such a situation ii that from whiell his Houourable
r,,,,,"0s mieet of Diblin was a sworn Orangeman, and there- •.P , •
1 riend s motion was to extricate them. He timid soe:howevei,
°''' a was necessary to have an • ' • in I '
answer to a question ets long look
so etch ..._ , . upon that as anything but a subterfuge. The Committee
„,sae cause of public justice. had met with nothing but discomfiture in their progress hitherto ;
omonel B IRRY • beet . • said, it was hot in evidence that the Sheriff but •honourable.'•l nd In his courtesy, disedvetelltrat the
hls rte ,
et Dab% was
anOrangeman. Ile had no doubt Of the - them.
retie of the witness's last attswee em en that they uses
t floe*
*46_, . to enforce the question ; but he seratly .
. rerred to the Old Testameet. " Oh, thee." said his Hoooureble
s* toe policy of doing so. Friend, ." as that is a book we hive at our fingers' endsOthil it
Mr. °SOUGH
true, o AM could net give way in this case, and he .. ,
eungeteet; see us toil tip fur caps
•is beer the Committee has
te °"ise toinitaittee would not hesitate a montent in enfortieg •
goe out ( the serape, and report ye the toe* the glorioutopro-,
to Mee.:
ore eve. . euestion elf they did, they wititila 1* diegraried • • h • made.''
Bless we have He
It wasand that niche Pt" g' should go fortis tomorrow morning, would
thee decided
tea oite that the question might be put, matter wit the same ood-netueed eyes as these of his
see the j . g , y
.31 *IS beurtil to answer. ••
The witness •Honourable Friers • -
to *hie wits then'eedied in, and informed of die decision
a the Cu ' hadcome; • , - Mr: j. SMITH, looking open the adjournesent only as a
°mum and the crest:ton was thenthe witness front the comp epf his re-
repeated T •means of .creasing
.. eqc
a the Wu he weness replied he had not a cleat; recollection
fusel to answer the questions put to hint,Ototalli take the' sense
words . •
li of the text • but with respect for the Comnifftee
e meet say there. • ' • • • • 'of the Cotnesittee upon it. •
were no words which would bear the con. •
The House then divided upon the motion for reporting pro-
struction now
et thput semi diem, 'namely, CO exteinituate say pert when rile numbers appeared Co be—
' people of Ireland. Vest. - 72
• SW I
.• NEWP •
oar said, he was not satisfied with this ' For the motion . - - -
answer, and wished Agaiast it . - - - 19
said, he lead (shed for a mote direct answer.--The .witaid• • . Majority . - . —53
teem
an back, end could not. divulge what he had
The Hour then resumed; the Cnenciaow reported progress,
sworn to conceal.
By Mr Ito s
• KWH•—CoUId not say whether the word Ama- •
cad obtained leave to sit again on Monday.
letite Wall •.• After a short conversation, the other Orders. of the Day were
met/Mined. Was Deputy Grand Mager some yeah, disposed of, and the (louse adjourned at Two o'CLock to 3i y.

the
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Had

INPAPSNAIRICA OR WiItIMINOTA..
Anniversary Dinner of.fil* Eleito.rs• qE West.
rilinster. in conimedorationof t ie esttblishmgtttit
their Independere in the eiectiOn of Sir 'Ffta,;a6t#
Bvnottrr, took place yesterday at the Crown and
Anchor Twrern. At five o'clock upwards* of four
hundred-persons sat down to a very substantial dinner.
The following Gentlemen were among the company:
C Hgkbutise,_Esq. M.P. Lord Ebrington. Lard, Nugellt, J.
Hume, Esq. U. P. R. Ellice, Esq. M.P. Jones Burdett, RA. Hors
Townse;udi 'Req. S. C. Whitbread; Esq. M.P. M. Wood, tici.
MA'. T. Doman, M.P. H. Cooper. Esq. 1L Eesual. kI:P.
Wjlliamr, Esq. M.P. Thomas Coke, Esq. M.P. D. Ricardo,
&a. 14.1'..1. G. Lambton, Esq. NIP: J. Ptintle, Eiq. of Hain-
big, N. I.L J. B. Monck, C. H. Hutchinson,' M.P. J. B.
%Wick., Sir (3. Robinson, M.P. lion. G. Bennet, M.P. lion. I).
Elvinaird; J. Adams, J. Blackburn, Esq. E.: Baynes, of teedi,
.1. Soaring, Req. Dr. Dd‘Lean, and a number of Gentlemen from
distant parts of the, country.
After the removal of the cloth, Mr. HOIIITOUSE,
who took the Chair in the absence of Sir Francis Bur-
dett, proposed as the first toast—" The People."---•
After which, " The health of his Majesty the King ;
May he recollect his own declaration, That the Crown
is held in. trust for the benefit of the People."
Mr. ADAMS then, after expressing his regret at the
cause of the absence of Sir FY:lnds, gavc—" The
health of the able Opposer of Tyranny -and Oppress.
sion, and constant Advocate of Parliamentary* Re-
form, Sir Francis Burdett."
Hosnous; stated, that Sir Francis Burdett,
would have attended but for the absolute interdict of
his medical advisers.
The toast having been drank with enthusiasm, .
Mr. Joan BURDETT- expressed the gratification he
felt at the manner in which Sir Francis's health had
been received. He alluded to the • conduct of Sir
Francis in the performance of his Parliamentary duty ;
he alluded to the representation of Edinburgh, and
said the same was the state of many parts of Eng-
land. The letter of Sir Francis was here read :

" St. James's-place, May 23.
Orsert.swem-1 It Is hard to kick against the pricks, and im•
possible against the gout.' Otherwise,notwithstanding the strong
remonstrances of my excellent friend and physician, Dr. PEA R-
UM, I should have come, or rather have caused myself to be
brought amongst you, in order to partake of your just and honest
triumph, and to aid in the annual celebration of your independ-
ence; nor have I ceased to cling to this hope up to this last mo-
ment. I am, however, now that it is arrived, most feelingly con-
vinced of the impossibility of realising it. Much as I regret this
on my own and on every account, I regret it particularly on ac-
count of being deprived of the pleasures of meeting some of the
most staunch friends of Reform, who, from different parts of the
country, are to join us in the celebration of this anniversary.
" The co-operastion of these Friend's of Reform, and the union
of all Friends of Reform, is, upon every occasion, most anxiously
to be desired, as it is only by union and firm faith, and firm ac-
cord, and mutual agreements, that we can 'ever hope to carry
Into effect this great and necessary measure. At a tine when so
many interesting views present themselves to the notice of man-
kind—so many topics challenging the auention.of an• enlightened
public—when Spain, undaunted by a foul confederacy of Aeapotse
seems nobly prepared to endure every extreme, rather than yid&
up her independence and national rights, in upholdingirrhich,slai
is also upholding the' independence and rights of other nation %
and on the successful issue of whose exertions the liberties of Ar'
other People, and especially the People of France, greatly *
pend—when Greece, to the wonder and admiration of the world,
has burst bee ignominious fetters, and achieved deeds of herntsm,
equally, if not surpassing her former renown, and accomplished,
as it were, impossibilities, under circumstances the most heartless
and discouraging, eliciting hopefram the deepest gloom of despair,
and bidding fair to outrival her former glories in the same cause.
44 When every People in Europe, panting for rational freedom,
is anxiously taming about for an opporttinity of shaking off the
load of despotism that oppresses them; when our great and gal-
lant*countryman, your late Representative (Lord 'Cochrane),
with limbs other resources than his own genius and couraie can
supply, having unfurled the banners of liberty in another hew*
sphere, is augmenting the renown of his country, and combattißil
for the happiness of mankind; when, turning our eyes homewards,l
we behold the march and progress of those principles of Iteform,
the adoption of which alone can give i fair chance of develope-
ing all the energies of England; can alone give a chance of
of redress to the manifold grievances of Scotland,- and the still
more intolerable sufferings of Ireland ; when an opportunity pre-
sents itself like the present for exhorting the people of Scotland
and Ireland to lay aside aU partial, unworthy pursuits of redress,
and to join the honest voice of the liberty-loving people of Eng-
land for that measure, which will do equal justice to all—which
will admit all men within the pale of the Constittnidn—which
will exclude no man, on pretence of religious opinions, from the
enjoyment of civil rights, but will, with an equal hand, admi-
nister to all equal justice, and thereby bind together the whole
united Empire in one bond, strong as the axle on which the
Heavens ride!'—a bond of mutual affection and mutual inte-
rest, by means of a fair Representation of the whole People
in Parliament.
" Believe me, Gentlemen, at such a time, and under such
circumstances, to be compelled to forego the gratification of
meeting my Constituents, the indepenSent and enlightened cid-
' zeal of Westminster, is as great a mortification as the power of
Fate could well have inflicted upon me, and that nothing short
of absolute necessity could have forced me to yield to. Lientle-
men with deep regret, but with•most unfeigned sincerity, I sub-
scribe myself, Your most faithful and devoted servant,
(Signed) " FRANCIS BURDETT."
Mr. COKE, as one of the oldest Reformers in the
room, begged leave to propose the health of one of
the youngest, not the least powerful,
" The steady friend of Reform, the constant advocate of the
rights of the People, John'Cain Hobbouse, Esq."
The toast being drank with the customary honours,'
• Mr. HosnoNat returned thanks in a long speech,
in which-Parliatrientary Reform, Dean &milt, French
tyranny, Spaniih freedom, English degradation, and
Lased Byron's Poems, were made to dance the hays
in metaphorical confusion.
Mr. RICARDO, Mr. LAMBTON, Lord EBRINGTO.
Mr. Coke, Mr. DZNMAN, Mr. Hums, and the Hon.
H. G. BENNET, severally addressed the meeting,
which separated at a quarter past eleven o'clock.
The Duke of SAN LoazNeo, who had been invited,
did not attend;

. .
The following very important Works will lie puo7
lished in a few days by Messrs. Cotamm and Co. viz.
1. Memoirs of William Hayley, Esq. the Friend and Biogra-
pher of Cowper. Writtrn by Himself. 2. The Second Livraison
of Napoleon's Great Work; in 2 vols. 5. Sismondi's Historical
View of the Literature of the South otEurope. Edited, with
Notes, by Thomas Roscoe, F.sq. 4. The English Translation
of the Memoirs of General Count Rapp. Written by Himself.
X The -Manuscript of 1814, bithig an -Amami of the first lava•
sion of France by the Allies. -.l4rawn Op at the command of.
Napoleon, by 111 Prliate Secretary, Baron fain, and Illustrated
with {he Secret Correspendenee rif the various Ministers. •
Ihrtisea.Orescras CASPAR ore TO Ammiscit.-11.n /unwed:-
mair7sircihnsiance occurred in Dunleary harbour, Dublin, on
Tuesday last. Twos Magistrates' having rteceivedinfortrialiC4
that an American pup', vessel,. named the William, had taken
on :4:Demuth greater nurnber of pasiengers than is allowed
edict, to examine the vessel, which; hi--a tomirge
niaFty-li! e tons; hattpacked one Modred any} fiiky4aia piltse%..l
raid* creatures Of-the lowest order, reduced by beat, pressure,
Weet of ale, kid secOmmadation, to a seam- t 6 rival Initials"
hac has been told of ilfive Astgistratmln the -s---
ce of the-Captain, gave- the vessel In charge to two reef
officers, whom-Alley placid At night; herkever,
Captain returned, and put to sea, carrying thetwo -
bass. Two rerfaue eroitvrs have betu *Lot in pursuit.
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