Star.
London, England, 1802-04-07 00:00:00

TOUR •ND A HALF PER CANTS.

Lord HOLLAND movedfor tomeaccounts
tive to the four and a half per cents. duty paid to
thz Crown by the Leeward Hands, and in the
caurfe of his fpeech had occation to mention Hay,
Earl of Zarlifle whole defcendants' names tiocd
in the penfion lilt among other penfioners. His
Lorillhip explained the grounds on which he
thought himfelf at liberty to take up the fubjed
as a Member of Parliament, and concluded with
his motion.
Lord Plumage rofe to explain that the four and
a half per cents. in queftion was the fpecial and
private property of the Crown, and therefore not
tabled to Parliamentary inveftigation.
Lord HAT (Earl of Kimmout.) felt it incum•
bent on him to take tome notice of what had fallen
from the Noble Lord who made the motion, re-
lative to the annuity now enjoyed by the deka).
dams of his anceltor, Hay, Earl of Carlifle, and
went into a full explanation of the nature and ori-
gin of that affair. He Paid the Earl of Carlifle
alluded to was a man of fincere loyalty and un-
Ibaken firmnefs, even in fuch times as thofe of Oli-
ver Cromwell's ufurpation. That the glowing
language of the addreffes of the Honks of Allem-
bly in the Wands at the time, would amply thew
how firongly they approved and 'applauded his
condud and his high fpirit. That the Earl cern-
muted an income of eight thoufand a year, ariting
from his hereditary claims on the iflands, tor an
annuity of one thoufand a year-17. exchange of
which the public, at leaft, h: great right to
complain. His ordfhip faid o fuch annuity
as that fill paid to the defcendants of the then
Earl of Carlifle ought to Rand in the penliGn lift;
'that it was in fad no penfion, but the refult of a
very different tranfadion, which he was glad to
take that opportunity of explaining, as the public
ought clearly to underftand the ditlindion on
which that matter relied, which would neceffarily
thew that the annuity had no reference to the pen-
fion
Lord HOLLAtro's motion was put and agreed to.
Lord HOLLAND then rofe again, and !fated his
reafons for moving for other papers relative to the
fame fund, of the right to enquire about which he
again explained the grounds, that be confidsred
fufficient to entitle him to call for any papers in
that Houle.
Lord PELHAM hid, he begged the Noble Lord
to confider, that notwithftandtng what the Noble
Lord had Paid upon the fubjed, he by no means
admitted that the foul' per cent. duty, which be-
longed to the Crown, was fubjed to the inveftiga-
tion and difcuffion of Parliament.
Lord HOLLAND Paid, the Noble Lord had mil:
bhn and applied what he had Paid to
the very reverie of the argument he had ufed. He
did not pretend to Rate it generally, that the Par-
liament had a right to interfere with the four .
cent. duty, but be had contended when tht Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer, as in the year 1786, called
upon Parliament to difcharge the arrears incurred
on that fund, at a part of the Civil Lift, and
brought it forward to public view, as a deficiency
which the public were bound to provide for, it
then became warrantable for him, or any other
Peer, or Member of Parliament, to call for ac-
counts of the Rate of that fund.
His Lordlhip called for feveral other Papers,
which were ordered.
PAPERS RILATITI TO THY ?AMNION LIST.
The Earl of Summit raid, he thought that the
Houle of Lords had as much right to call for pa-
pers explanatory of the public accounts as the other
i-loufe of Parliament had, and yet he obferved that
no notice was taken in that Houk of many papers
of great importance which were laid upon the
table of the other Houle. He wilhed particularly
to have the account of the Penfion Lift upon their
table. His Lordthip was proceeding to make a
motion; but on a word or two from Lord Hol-
land, Cad, he would, for the prefent, defer his
motion.