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London, England, 1802-05-04 00:00:00

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sumatim ettt to hart the words--11 Midday the
Hit inf." The motion being feconded,
Mr. T. eltEri WILL II remarked, that the Right
Hon. Gentlethan who had juft fat down, admitted
the importance of this queltion' and the variety of
great interefts it embraced, yet he refilled the pro-
polition of a very abort interval for deliberation,
before the Houfe should come to any decifion upor,
it—an interval which he (Mr. G.) thought ob
vinufly neceirary to examine and to judge upon
the teveral points hated by his Right Hon. Friend
(Mr. W ) It was, in fad, impoffible to folio* his
Right Hon. Friend through all the detailed in.
formation which his fpcech contained, in a &often
time than t+ days. If it was meant to meet the
queftion fairly and manfully, let there be a rea-
fonable time for previous confederation. The pre-
cipitation propofed by the Right Hon. Gentleman
on the Treafury Bench, put him in mind of an
obfervation once made by a friend of his in that
Houfe, and applied to st fimilar batty proceeding—
that fuch hurry refembled the fentiments of Chil-
dren, when obliged to take naufeons potions, they
wiffied to fwallow them at one gulp. He appealed
to the confciences of the Houfe, whether they
could come prepared to vote on this fnbjea with.
out Much confideration ?—a fubjed on which even
the Right Hon. Gentleman expelled the Houfe to
fufpend their judgment.
Lord HAWIESSOURY taw no neceffity for a longer
delay than that propofed by his Right Hon. Friend,
becaufe the public mind was agitated,and anxious
as to what the opinion of Parliament might be.—
With refped to the Right Hon. Gentleman's divi-
lion of the points which were to he confidered, in-
to four, they might more properly be &tired into
two divifions—namely, the alterations which had
taken place 'ince the figning of the Preliminary
Articles, and whether there alterations were fuch
as fhould induce his Majefly's Minifters to break
off the negociation' Into thole queftions he fhould
not now enter,but whatever there alterations were,
they were long fence fo notorious, that it would
be ridiculous an any Gentleman to pretend that he
was not fully acquainted with them, and had not
made up his mind upon them. It was impoffible
to fay that the information for which the Right
Hun. Gentleman meant to apply, was fuch as it
would be proper to grant—in jultice, the Treaty
ought to (peak for Will; fuch was the language
when the American Treaty was dircufred. The
Right Hon. Gentleman over the way was in the
Houfe at that period, and be mutt recoiled that
when the Noble Lord in oppofition moved a vote
of eenfure on Minifters for that Treaty, he faid,
that if they had any papers to produce to explain
or jollity it, they might, but that the Treaty on
the face of it was robed, he could not help con-
demning it. No direa application was then made
for_ papers or information to Minifters.
Mr. WINDHAM raid, there were many branches
of trade, with refped to which he fhould move
fhr papers, which perhaps could not be procured
within the period propofed by his Right Hon.
Friend; and alto many quellions to put that might
provoke debates. There he fhould think necefrary,
an order that Gentlemen might go perfectly pre-
pared to the final dircuffion.
The Cuenca:A.oa of the ExcHactpaa thought
it due to the time of the Houfe, and expelled it
from the Right Hon. Gentleman's candour, that
he would now date the Papers he intended to• move
for, and the nature of the info: mation he feemed
to think need:any. As to his reqtieft that the
Hoare fho'ald fufpend their judgment, which had
been alluded to by a Right Hon. Gentleman, he
meant only upon the flatements of the Right lon.
Gentleman (Mr. W.)
Mr. Waist:man did not come prepared with a
lift of the neceffary papers in his pocket, but ap-
prehended the objections to his motion would be
merely as to form.
Mr. PITT expreffed a hope that his Right Hon.
Friend would come prepared by to-morrow, to de-
fcribe the kind of information he thought neceffary
upon this queflion. It did not indeed appear from
his fpeech, that he wanted any materials to make
up his opinion. He feemed to be furnifhed with
quite fufficient to guide his own judgment. If he
had any difficulties to folve, it was Purely definable
to have them folved as loon as poffible. He fhould
be quick to ark, becaufe it might take tome time
to anfwer. If the Right Hon. Gentleman wifhed
for the production of the feveral Treaties, in order
to appreciate the value of the omiffiou in the late
Treaty—if he Milted for thofe of Weftphalia, Ryf-
wick, &c. a fortnight would be rather a Sort pe-
riod for thole to examine fuch Treaties who had not
yet looked at them. If he thought any dircuffion
neceffary to afcertain our rights in India, that
country, which formed one great feature of our
empire's profperity—which was one of the main
pillars of our Sovereignty, and one of the great di-
vifions ofour refonrces--that country, whore nghts
be (Mr. Pitt) trailed no Briton could entertain a
doubt of, and of which no ground for contentious
argument, or planfible cavi fhould be left in the
minds of any enemy pr rival, we could not come
to that difcuffion too foon. It interefted mate-
rially the feelings and the importance of
the country, that no doubt Mould cellon that
head—if there did, he fhould count the mo-
ments with uneafinefs until the day of dircur
lion fhould arrive to remove them. He however
knew too well the opinions of his Right Hon.
Friend below him, to apprehend that one particle of
our Rights in India would be furrendered—thofe
Rights which we had poffefred before the war—
which in the courfe of the war we had ftrenithen-
ed and augmented, and which we had not conced-
ed with the peace. As to the fubje& of the pence
in general, at was, in truth, now that all the
falls were before us, a quellion of reafoning,
and conarudion. There wasno queflion about new
fads—there were none to be fought for. Recur-
ring again to India, be admitted that his Right
Hon. Friend Idid not attempt to maintain that
the French had any jai claims in that quarter,
which (till remained to be fettled ; indeed they
never could have any oppofed to our intent},
ostlers by treaty or by grant—the latter mull have
been from the Great Mogul, and of courfe done
away, now that we are become the Sovereigns of
' India isallead of the Mogul. Any claim they