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the 11, use, and yet Le strongly disapproved of the petition.
d tria:Gtaineal that it was unwarranted by any language In
Scripture. He deplored that such sentiments could be
used. ard was quite sure that they were calculated to pro-
mote any thing rather than the well-being of the kingdom,
and the cause which it was said they were meant to pro-
:.rte (Hear.)
Air-DI XON expressed his strong disapprobation of the
p. titter, and sit;d he should take the sense of the House
a. meat receiver g this petition.—(Cheers..)
S.r G. ('LE it K said, he should not have uttered any re-
visal:, b -t for the proposition that the petition should be
rejected ; it was the first time that It was asked to reject a
petition on the ;,Found of its expressing speculative o_pinions.
The petition carne from a respectable body of clergy in
sea-Eon. If he might give advice, he would recommend
that the petition should be withdrawn. (Hear.)
Sir It. INGLIS observed, that till lately 658 Members
!we're to the truth of the language; and that the King on the
:Loose still took an oath to that effect.
Mr. O'CONNELL asked whether the language was de-
cent or respectful ? Was lie who held such language a
Christian ? No Catholic would use such language towards
a Protestant. He had hoped that the time was arrived when
such party language was not to be used. But as to its lee.
be would again put it to the house, would it be civil
and respectful to address. hint, and say thltlis religion was
complete idolatry ? It was as little idolatrous as the religion
uf the honrurable member for Oxford. and ought to be
respected as much :in that house. It wax the religion of at
least one.third of the British empire, and was it, therefore,
re-pectful to those Christian inhabitants of the empire to ball
them idolaters ? Would it not be disrespectful in a Rowan
Catholic to call a Protestant a heretic? He considered the
grant to the Roman Catholic College of Maynooth as legiti-
mate a subject of national support as any other.
Mr. HUAI E said he had read therpetititm, and the only
feeling it excited in his mind was that of pity and regret
that there should have been so many people found in Scot-
land to express such sentiments as were uttered in the peti.
limn. But what did it avail?—(Hear.) Would it affect
him if any man called him an-idolater or atheist ?—(Hear.)
So long as people kept their hands off his person, he cared
not a single pin what they said or did. (Cheers.) The ae.
tidal was worded in a respectful manner as regarded 'Se
House, and he entertained not a doubt that the opinions
they expressed were sincere. He hoped the bon. member
(Mr. Dixon) under such circumstances, who sat near him,
would not think of rejecting this petition. If such a petition
were to be rejected, it would be as much as to say no peti-
tion would hereafter be received, but such as in the discre-
tion of the few who sat in that House ought to be presented.
Every man had a right, especially in these times, to express
his opinions, and the House undoubtedly ought to receive
the petition.
Lord A ',THOR P regretted as much as any man could
regret the language that had been used by the petitioners;
but he had always laid it down as a rule that if petitions
. were respectfully worded, they ought to be received. When
petitions contained language reflecting upon individuals, or
upon any sett or party (which this petition certainly did),
he thought it perfectly right that such a petition ought to go
no farther than merely to be laid on the table. He (Lord
Al:horp) would therefore give his sanction to the petition
being laid on the table, but he should certainly object to it
being printed, should the Hon. 3lembcr propose that It
should be printed.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. WYSE said that he should object to any course of
tejection being taken on Ibis occasion, which might here.
atter prove to be a precedent. The slates were too enlight-
ened to regard whatever might be said by any person or
persons respecting their religious tenets. He thought it
. quite right that every individual's opinion should be re-
ceived in that 'house, when it was presented in respectful
. lenguage ; theirefore, he hoped the petition would not only
be received, but be printed. If the house attempted in this
instance to controul the expression of opinion, there was no
• knowing where the consequences would end.
Mr. M. O'CONNELL hoped the house would recol-
lect that a few nights ago a petition was rejected, pre-
aented, he believed, by the honourable member for Pres•
ton, from Stockport, which certainly was worded In
much more respectful terms than was the present peti-
tien ; but it was rejected on the ground of its disrespectful
langitage.
Lord AI A N DE%' ILLE considered that, constituted as
the house and society now were, this petition could not
safely be rejected. He, for one, as a Protestant, could cer-
tainly not give his support to this grant, which was to be
made for the purpose of disseminating principles that he in
• his conscience believed to be erroneous.
Mr. RUTH VEN considered the language of the petition
to be too offensive to be received by the house.
Mr. KENNEDY regretted that such language was used
• in a petition from Scotland, but after what had passed, he
hoped the printing of the petition would not be pressed. He
lamented the proceedings of the Orangemen in Scotland ;
they led to the most calamitous results, and yet annually
there were processions:Xt. promoted, and painful conflicts
ensued ; and he deplored that there were men who were ca-
pable of encouraging such proceedings. (Hear.)
Mr. LEFROY hoped the rejection of the petition would
not be carried. It opposed a certain grant, and it meant not
to calumniate members of that house.
Sir F. BURDETT said, the question was not whether
the grant was to encourage the Catholic—but even that was
not the object of the grant—it was not to encourage the Ca.
tholic religion—it was granted to educate Catholics at home,
rather than that they should be sent abroad. It was not jus.
tifiable to use such language—and why it was used he could
not conceive. It promoted no good object. 'The petition
had evidently calumniated the religion of a large number of
and it was impossible but to believe that that insult
persons,ad been intended. 'The bon. baronet then observed, that
be had a petition, which he intended to present on the first
opportunity, from the Rev. R. Taylor, who was under a
severe sentence in Hoesetnonger-lane, for uttering words In-
sulting to our religion, and if the facts in it were true, they
would require the serious interposition of the house. Tbs
boo. hart suasemd that the petition should be withdrawn.
Petition ordered to He on the table.
Captain GORDON then !moved that it be printed (No,
no.) He maintained that it was weeded in respectful lan-
guage. (Loud cries of no.) It was signed by 28 ministers
and 11l Elders of Glasgow. In moving that it be printed,
be considered that he was performing a sacred duty.
Lord MANDEVILLE (we believe) seconded the motion
foe printing the petition.
Mr. J. WOOD declared the language of the petition to be
most unwarrantable and offensive.
Sir J. BUKRE quoted the language of the petition again,
and asked whether it was respectful or not?
Mr. V. FITZGERALD spoke of the danger and incon-
venience of making that House the arena for such discus-
sions, and he should therefore resist its printing. If it were
allowed, those who desired to traduce any of their fellow
steljects had only to embody their sentiments in a petition,
and to get some member to present it. (Hear.)
Sit OEO. WA REEN DER regretted the language of the
petition, and that it came ftom members of the Church of
Newland ; but he was of opinion that it did not, by any
means contain the sentiments of Scotland and its church—
(hear;hear,)--for, which lie had the profoundest respect.
Sir GEORGE CLERK said similar petitions had bon
presented from Aberdeen, etc. and it would be to throw a
slur on this petition, not warranted by facts, if it were not
printed, while similar petitions from Aberdeen and other
plates had been printed.
Sir H. PEEL said he should have resisted the opposition
to the receiving of the petition, but he could not support the
proposition to print it. It was calculated to promote very
vest inconvenient:eta encourage these polemical discussions,
which they would be doing if they allowed the printing of
this petition. He could not forget that there were six or
seven members amongst them to whom such language must
be offensive. (Hear.) He should therefore oppose the print-
ing of it.
Mr. STANLEY opposed the printing of it am the like
grounds.
Mr. O'CONNELL said that the Aberdeen petition was
not read when presented, and that made him Inquire into
the contents at this petition. It had been read, and the
had MOS'et bald be had adopted all its sentiments; who
then raised this diseueslon ? (Hear.) The sentiments of
the hen. mover, however, were not new • they were by 00
ki
means vowel ; they were those of the anbh Inquisition.
(Cheep and a laugh.) He felt grateful for the manner in
which this petition had been received by all sides of the
House. (Hear
Captain GORDON remarked, after the manner in which
the petition had been attacked, be should press its printing
_Agiti
was cleated for a division, but the motion
was negatived without a division.
lit. O'CONNELL moved foe leave to bring in a Bill • to
retwon.tate and amend the Jury Laws of Inland.
111r.STANLH1( seconded the Motion, which woe dna
agreed to
ENZYME KIHICKANTS awn !NZ BRAZILIAN
ecrirsast MINT.
Dlr. DICKSON, agreeably to the notice he had gloss,

rose to make his motion relating to the conduct of the Bra.
zilien government in 1828 and 182/1, when the Brazilian
squadron off Buenos Ayres, and privateers, had captured
several merchant vessels belonging to England, and kr
which the owners had not:received any compensation. The
honourable member proceeded to state several eases of
oppression that had occurred, and produced communica-
tions from several merchants on the subject who
had been sufferers. He recapitulated the result of
several negociadons !with the authorities, and said that
it would seem as if the conduct of the Brazil power bad
been countenanced by the sanction of the late government
of England. He stated that owners of the English vessels
that had been captured had made repeated applications at
the Foreign Office, craving redress during the last five years,
without success, and that even now the only answer that he
could obtain was that a negotiation was in progress, which
would bring the matter to a termination. The bon. mem-
ber regretted that Lord Palmerston should not be in his
place, knowing as he did that he was to take his scat that
night. The hon. member concluded by moving, that an
humble petition be presented to hta majesty, that all papers
and communications relating to the government of the Bra-
zils, and the claim of the British merchants, should be laid
on the table.

Lord A LTHORP trusted that the house would see that
it was impossible to comply with the motion, u a Deter:lo-
tion was then going on in the most direct tarns oo the sub-
ject, and it was contrary to every eoune, under such cir-
cumstances, to produce papers while a negotiation was
pending.
Mr. HUM E did not think that the noble lord had given a
satisfactory answer. The petitioners had been applying for
five years, and their chins amounted to a half a million.—
The chime of the French and the American Merchants had
been settled by the Brazilian Government, and still the Eng-
lish claims remained unsettled. He knew that such being
the ease. it would require something more ample than what
had been stated by the noble lord to satisfy the public mind.
He had seen pan of the correspondence from the merchants
'on the subject, and he thought it strange that Eagland with
so many resources should suffer itself to be so treated. The
hon. member said, that he had recommended his hon. Mend,
who had brought forward the motion, to defer it till that
night as Lord Palmerston was to take his place, and he con-
sidered it was treating the house very improperly that his
Lordship should have absented himself at that time, when
he knew the motion was to he brought forward. He (Mr.
Hume) would support the motion, and• he would divide the
house on the question, unless something more satisfactory
than what had fallen from the noble lord should be laid be-
fore the house

Lord ALTHORP said every thing was being done that
was proper, and it would be extremely improper and in.
convent to call for the papers at the present stage of the pro.
ceedings.
Mr. WRANGHA M said that he was sure, from his own
personal knowledge, that every effort had been used by the
Government of the late Administration to adjust the differ.
mess.

Alderman THOMPSON supported the motion. He had
not been aware that it wu to be brought forward that ukht,
or he would have been provided with documents to how
that several ships, which had been captured, had been en-
tirely lost, as yet, to the owners; and, unless some une-
quivocal information was offered to the house, be would
recommend the Hon. Member for Glasgow to press his
motion.

Lord J. RUSSELL assured them that the claims of the
English merchants would be satisfactorily attended to; that
a negociation was then going on for that purpose.
Sir C. WETHERELL was favourable to the models, and
said, that unless wine assurance was given that the claims
for compensation of the British merchants would be prose-
cuted, he would be ready to support any resolution that
would forward it.

Mr. DICKSON replied, and said that, in themes time,
he would rely on the promise of the government, and he
would not press the house to a divi►ioo on the question.
After a few observations from Lord ALwisoar and Lord
J. Russeta., the conversation dropped.

LIVIRPOOL ILIC nor.
Mr. RENNET said that he had been assailed by the peas
out of doors, and be had been attacked within the walls of
the House with not being sincere in bringing (award his
motion relating to the election for Liverpool. He could as-
sure the House that he was perfectly sinew., and that noth
but failure of physical power should prevent him. He ho
that be would be allowed to defer his motion till that y ?
week, and he lived that no writ would be issued for Liver-
pool till he had brought forward his motion, which lie
pledged himself to do on that day.
Leave given to defer the motion till Tuesday next.
301017611 or ORZAT 'EDWIN. _

Mr. G. BANIEIIBpre from the borough
of Great Beduin, setting forth that, by the census of 1821,
' they had fallen below the number of 2,000 only by 72, and
that they by the last census exceeded the number by 100,
being now.upwarda of 2,100 In population ; and praying
that they might not be included under the &franchised list.
The Hon. Member said that he would not at any greet
length enlarge on the petition, as be understood that a
motion would be made by another Hon. Member. whkh
would afford him opportunity of enforcing his reasons of
supporting the petition.
The petition was ordered to be laid on the table.

TEE canna.
Mr. MACKINNON moved, that the census of 1831 be
adopted instead of the census of 1821. The Ism member
at great length urged his reasons in support of the motion
and said, that be was afraid ministers, instead of listening to
the reasons, would merely reply to him by other wall.or.
ionised opposition. He concluded with moving that instruc-
tion should be given to the Committee that the boroughs in
schedules A and B be considered under the census of 1831,
and not by the census of 1821.
Lord J. RUSSELL said, he considered it too late to
bring forward this motion, after the House had already been
employed in Committee four days. He contended that the
census of 1821 was the only sure dmiument that could be
relied upon. It was not merely the precise number that
had been kept In view when the data bad been adopted of
2,000, but it was also kept sight of that an increase must have
taken place In many boroughs since 1821, and they had'
taken their basis accordingly. Had the government thought
81 to have taken a later period, they would have adopted
'another basis, so that the result would have come to the
same point. The aroma of 1891 bad been taken without'
any view of this or any other measure; while it bad been
ascertained, that in the census of 1831 numbers had been
esept Into different towns for the purpose of swelling the
population, and after this fact being known he thought that
the House could not adopt it.
hit. G. BANKEB did not think that what the noble
lord bad said was at all satisfactory. He was of opinion
that even those who were ready to support the noble kid
his measure generally would in this point differ hem him.
(Cries of No, no.) It was • common practice with some
honourable members to interrupt gentlemen who rose to'
express sentiments opposed to them. He had remarked
in particular the hon. member for Sussex, with whom it
was no uncommon practice to give these interruptions, and be
had not the same excuse to urge for hie conduct that some
others might make on account of their being yowl, mem.
ben, and not acquainted with the forms and edqostte of the
house ; but such interruption should not provost him ( Mr.
Backe.)) from speaking his sentiments, and that too at too
ineossitierable length. The bon. member premeded to state
his reasons for improving the soden, which was grounded
ott the plea, that as 21100 had been made the arbitrary line,ll
many boroughs which sow had operands of WOO iehabltants.
and would at present be qualiisd by the adoption of 1831,'
would be disfrimehisod. (Hoar.) The disfranchisement of
Mr. Pitt was founded m compensation. (Hear, bear.) The'
hon. member for London interrupted him, no doitht to in. i
ifown him that he was in the boost. He was glad he was
there, that be was not as/cep, and that his (Mr. B.'s) spe'h
had not put him Into one of his suderilics. (A laugh.)—
He would take this opportunity of alluding to the boa.
member's constituents. He had great respect for their in.
telligence and wealth, but them yea growing up among them,
as among the constituents of other hos. members, a spirit of
despotism he was astonished to see entertained, and no leas
so to am submitted to. (Loud cries of hear.) He admitted
that there were many glorious epoch in the history of the
city of London, but there were in it other epochs of a di&
&rent character. At the first rewind= they signed a po.
dtion for the 'bond= of the bench of bishops. (Haw, and
a laugh.) Some time after, when Cromwell was going to
dine with the worthy citiseas, be was received with the
greatest enthusiasm. One of his attendants remarking to
blot how great were their damostratioss of attachment
" My good friend," said Cromwell, "thole worthy chasms
would about just as much if yea and I were riding Eel.
ban on our way to Tyburn." (Hear, and a ) Aad,
la feet, tea yews alter, they become woe mare worthy
ad faithful subjects of Charles Sham lie had boa dim
ase these remarks by the iataratiew et the Worthy alder.
moo. He would not trouble thaw Anther, except ID ran
that he cordially supported the modem (Star, ham)
Alderman WAITS MAN, halm bon a paileidesir

alluded to, mud offer some observations. He bad
what the hoe. member had been all the wills at,
and when he introduced Mr. Pitt and nearnatiew, be
could not avoid meking the exclamation wbleilalatinseted
the hon. member's notice. With respect to time sty of
London, with regard to which the boo. member bad Md.
such a long digression, he would merely say. that Wheaten'
the Hberties of the country had been called Is josedis, ft
bed stood forth in their vindication. He iwipaway re-
pelled the charge of being fettered. As to pledges, did not
every member, when be put an advertisement in the public
papers, pledge himself to certain measures ?—Hear, and No,
no !) No such pledge, however, bad caned his, (Alderman
Waltbman's) return. He had been elected because he was
previously a reformer. This was the case with the county
members; they merely stated on the hustings, sentiments
they before entertained. But was It becoming in a mem-
ber for .• rotten borough to talk of fetters and pledges.—
Would not all the rotten borough members be called to ac-
count by their patrons, if, for instance, they now declared
for Reform ? Compensation ! and for whom meant ? for
the poor electors, who gave their votes to men they knew
nothing of? No; for the borough proprieron—for men
who speculated in the rights and liberties of the public.
They would lose peerages and places with their loss of in-
fluence. But that influence was improper, and, therefore,
they bad no right to compensation. (Hear.) But he would
not proceed further, for these discussions were originated
only to create delay. If persisted in, be hoped that, as bad
been already suggested, they would meet at ten o'clock in
the morning.
Mr. HANKER, bad be not been interrupted, would
have added, that be considered compensation as now out
of the' question. He was sorry he had forgotten to add
this, as it would have saved them the worthy Alderman's
speech.
Lord LENNOX said it was the Member for Corfe Castle,
who was fettered. If he (Lord Lennox) was not mistaken,
he had bound himself ow the day of election to oppose Re-
form, and had rivetted his fetters closer than ever that very
day in Pall.malL
Lord ALTHORP said, his Noble Friend had already
stated why the census of 1821 was preferred. He would
now merely say, that, as stated is the preamble of the Bill,
the object was to disfranchise inconsiderable boroughs.
Places with leas than 2,000 inhabitants in 1821, were coo.
sidered by Government as inconsiderable boroughs.—( Hear,
bear.) Were they to take the census of 1831, they would
have to raise the standard of disfranchisement. ( Hear,
bar )
Mr. R. TREVOR was for the census of 1831. Its non.
adoption would be unjust, and would create dissatisfac-
tion.—(Hear.)
Colonel DOUGLAS, we believe, was opposed to the
population of one year determining the elective fianchise.
He knew one county, in which two places bad increased in
the last ten years, ore by 36,000 inhabitants, and the other
by 30,000, whilst places in their neighbourhood had de.
creased In a similar proportion ; at least, the last returns, as
showing the actual state of population, should be preferred.
Mr. PRARD said, it was inconvenient, it was stated, to
change the censuses, because much alteration must then be
made in the bill. Were they, for such an objection, to re.
jet the knowledge and experience acquired in the last ten
years ? The census of 1831 might be unfair. He could
not believe that government had not the means of causing
it to be accurate. But were they, because there might be in.
accuracies in the last census, to prefer one confessedly and
universally in ? He denied that motions like the
present were intended for delay. Could they expect by
delay to overthrow the bill ? They only wished to improve
it, and the present was an evident improvement. If that
foreigner, to whom so much allusion had been made at the
Introduction of the measure, were to witness our rejection of
ten years' experience and knowledge, assuredly be would
think that far more than in our pens/ codes, than in our ad-
ministration of of our Courts of Chancery, and h 1 one sys.
tern of fines and recoveries, bad we to acquire in legislative
wisdom.

The division then took plane.
Noes, 344—Ayes, 163—Majority, 76.
The House then went into a Committee on the Reform
Bill.

Lord MAITLAND rowed, that the borough of Appleby
be removed from schedule A to B. He repeated the state.
merit, that one of the two parishes belonging to Appleby
had been, b_y mistake, separated Bons it.
Lord J. RUSSELL hoped he would show that Appleby
bad not been unfairly treated. Some places had certainly
been separated which had been united. The boroughs of
Buckingham and Tamworth bad, for Instance, been sepa-
rated from the parishes, whereas the members eat for both.
Appl had also been incorrectly sepsosented as connected
eby
with only one parish. It extended into two parishes. But
there was a difference between boroughs comprising and bo-
roughs extending into parishes. The latter case was that of
lAppkby. Part of it lay in the parish of St Lawrence and part
hilt. Michael's. Amongst the returns before the house was
a letter from the Mayor of Appleby, stating that that borough
comprised out of 1360, the total of the inhabitants of
St. Lawrence, 851 ; and out of 1264, the total of St. Mi.
cheers, 103 r amounting to 1064 inhabitants. (Hear, bear.)
He bad received information concerning the number of 100
householders in Appleby, but he would Dot enter into it, as
populpopulation was their test. Its elective franchise was held by
ation
tenure. The borough was, in fact, a nomination
one, as such nomination had been exercised fors long time
Indisputably by two noble lords. He thought the evidence
troisoon convince the committee that they bad not done
wrong in placing the borough of Appleby in schedule A.
Mr. CROILSE said, he perfectly agreed with the noble
lord in desiring to have the question decided on the justice
of the ease. (Hear.) One of theladvantages of the late po-
pulation returns was that they separated the population of the
boroughs from the population of the parishes. He wished
to ask the noble lord bow the population stood in this respect
with regard to Caine ?
Lord JOHN RUSSRLL said, be had made no particular
enquiry respecting the borough of Gine.
Mr. CROKER said, the Noble Lord was most learned
on the subject of Appleby—he knew the length and breadth
of the parish; but he knew nothing of Caine. though it was
a borough on which the Noble Lord could receive full infor-
madon in his own cabinet. He believed the Noble Lord
,had been led into his mistake respecting Appleby by igno-
rance, not being aware of the mistake made in the popula-
tion return of 1821. The Noble Lord admitted that the
return of population of Appleby, for 1821, was erroneous;
and when he found himself mistake:4,w should have looked
for further information, which he could have found in the
population returns of 1811, in which the two parishes,
of which It was composed, had more than 2,000 inha-
bitants. In the population returns of 1821, hfabessbury
was under 2,000 inhabitants, and was acesediegly
included in Schedule A; but on further examlnatien,
it appeared that the population of the peel* ex-
celled and acecrdfsgly It was placed in ashodole B.
The same wee the case wwllttiltt the hermit of Ookhempton,
and yet the noble lord refused the same *doe to Ap-
pleby. The Borough of Heidi= was allowed to zeta
both Its members, though, if then was any justice io
the House, Horsham should be put in schedule A., and
Appleby should be put in schedule B. In the population
return of 8811, Horsham Borough and Parish were returned
as having a population of 4,607 persons; but there was a
note that stated that, in 1811, the population was returned in
three pans; the Borough was returned in 1714—the other
two &Listens made the whole population, by that return,
54140. World any man, with a sew of jostle., vote that
, Bonham should engin bOtltlte members, and-that Appleby
should kw both ?—(Hear, hear.) There was a case even
stronger ; that was the borough of Mospeth, which was
Am placed in schedule B; but it being found that by taking
in the parish,the population amounted to 4,100, it was taken
out of the schedide.
Its franchise.—( tsar to the full enjoyment of
Hear.)
Mr. CART RR said, the people of Appleby themselves
did not, in their petition to that house, stems to say that
the return of 1811 was correct. (Hear.) The fact was, that
the borough did not Include the two paddies, and the pope-
laden return of 1621 was the correct ma (Hear.) In all
die cases which the Right Hon. Clentleman Imod igloWd• the
Perdetton of the single parish in whisk the Moogk town
was showed had been added to the borough, as was dew in
the eased Tunweetb, and all silt mossi but is no case
had the population of two perishes ban addedr—(Heer.)
Mr. RI IDLE Y COL BURNI sold the lousagh of Hoe.
sham was entitled to its two ritemben by the IPlrgadis is'
taros ; but all legumes would be allawnelly deureved by
the bill ; and the fact was, that two pallemosa were row
canvassing that borough, in opposition am the Mow hoe.
not (Hess, hear.)
Colonel DAVIS wished to ham whothw the implied's
of the lowa et Appleby was over 2,110, In whisk ass be
would Mobs it; bat he wished the periled's to be eat.
lord es awe as cep the Sow&
Lord JOHN LL odd the town did set maids
Dear WA hbabilmis. (nem) He would ow ono west
ea time imp of gerdellty which the right hos.
bed then& se e. (Hear, bear. &Cin=
uses oat of the'disdain, ms the)
appraised." of

errors in the population returns, that were in the Tory in-
terest, drag rail in the WlZ:Fest. (Hear, hear.) But
the right boa gmesmisies was so extravagant, that
he are wail blit he Wight bow nemiewired ; for, however
aspens the to night he &sunk he was eaddent
the earairay would .it eassider it a insosore of partia-
lity. (Gent AMINO
Lill INCOME odd the nob Iced bad acted with per-
feet hopmdality in the cue of the borough of Truro, which
he and bad rakes it out of scheduleß ; and he
b the whit lord would do equal bodes to Appleby, by
taking It out of schedule A.—(Hear, kora.)
Lord ALTHORP said, in the case of Truro, the popu-
lation was cootalned to the town, whereas, In the case of
Appleby, the number could only be made up by bringing in
the rural population of two parishes.—(Hear, bar.) They
had, from the great difficulty of separation, admitted the
rural population of a single parish, but in no case bad they
taken the rural population of two parishes.
Sir R. PEEL said the house had agreed that the popula-
tion ratans of 1821 should be taken as the rule of diafran.
allotment. By that return' if the population of both pa-
rishes was taken, Appleby should not be wholly disfran-
chised. If the borough was in one pariah, the population of
that pariah would certainly be added to the town ; and be
could see no reason why the population of the two parishes
should not be added. (Hear.)
Sir C. WETHERELL thought evidence should be heard
at the bar, to prove the facts respecting Appleby. When a
worthy alderman gave a vote to examine the cased Appleby
before be should decide, his constituents called him before
them : and he was obliged to adopt the language of Minis-
ters, and admit that he had inadvertently consented to hear
evidence before he pronounced judgment; and then his con-
stituents were ratified. Had any one heard of such tyranny
In nomination boroughs? In the progress of the bill the
principle of Reform was developed. What nomination should
they not have from Saffron-hill, from St. Gibs's-in-the.
Fields, the rural population of the City of London. They
would have a jscobin—a relentless savage dictation that no
man, with the part of a gentleman, or with a conscience,
would submit to. _ _

Sir C. LEMON said:the population of the town of Truro
amounted to near 7000.
Mr. ATTWOOD said It had been argued in support of
the present arrangement that the magistrates had no juris-
diction beyond the borough ; now he understood, on autho-
rity, that they had jurisdiction in the perish as well as in the
borough. He therefore contended that the borough ought
to be taken out of the present schedule, even on the ground
taken by the noble mover of the bill. By the census of
1821, if they would only correct their own errors, there were
upwards of 2,000 inhabitants.
Sir E. SUDDEN asked whether the Noble Lord was
prepared to redeem his pledge, to hear evidence ?
Lord ALTHORP considered that this was not a case for
evidence; it was not because the magistrate licensed houses
to a considerable distance that they were to consider the
extent of the borough to be corresponding with that power.
As to the charge of partiality, he did not feel that it had
any ground.
Mr. GOULBURN thought the case was dear that this
borough ought to be transferred to schedule B. He said
what had been done respecting Reigate applied to this case,
(hear), for there the borough extended into the neighbouring
parish. (Hear.) Where was the distinction between the
cues of Reigate and Appleby, except the noble lord was
to say that he had committed a mistake in taking
trZliar.teedout of schedule A, and placing it in schedule B ?
(Hear, hear.)'
Lord MILTON contended, that If the borough was
transferred from A. to B, the mover of the bill would be
acting in violation of his own principles.
Mr. Alderman WAITH MAN spoke to the like eirect.
file. J. SCARLETTconsidered that the population of the
two parishes might be:deetned to constitute the borough of
Appleby ; and that, arguing from what had been does in
the case of Reigate, &c. it would be an act of justice to
place Appkby in schedule B.
Mr. J. BROUGHAM sappoeted the retention of Appleby
in Schedule A.

Sir H. HARDINGE said that the principles now ad-
vocated were most absurd. East Retford, because It was
corrupt, was to retain two member, while places that were
Dot charged with being so, were to be disfranchised; so
true was it that weak minds might pull down, though it
requiredr strong minds to aeate.
J. RUSSELL said, bad the weak minds had their
way, they would have transferred the famehise Is itaatat.
ham; but “ strong minds" insisted on maklng Ade WNW
against Reform, and of retaining what was maw termed the
corruption of nt Retford—so that if there were dilliesky
and Inconsistency, they were indebted foe them to the
" wrong minds."—( Loud cheers.)
Mr. CROKER sod Mr. W. BANICES sald,that Appleby
would be hardly used if it were disnunchleed.
Mr. HUNT should vote for the disfranchisement, because
he was against all nomination
Lord MILTON and Mr. Ciltrairlß having explained,
there were immense calls of " Question, question I" so loud
and beauwees way they, that the Chairman's order to with-
draw was not heard—bat that of the Rome was, and in a
voice of thunder. _ . _ _ _

- The-o;ll—eribeing cleared, the Committee (and the Home
wee very full) proceeded to divide.,
The numbers were—
For the amendment ... ... 228

Against it

Gomm
Majority for ministers ••• 74
Appleby, therefore, stands part of the demise.
The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and obtained
leave to sit again this day.
On the boom going into committee on the hackney-
coach act,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in answer
to a question from Mr. Warburton, said that mage•macbse
were to be allowed to take up and set down passengers in say
part of the town.
The orders of the day having been disposed of, the House
adjourned at Half-past Two o'Clock.

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE.
EXCLUSIVE.
FR---7ii%Fir.

We give this day a complete view of the elec-
tions. Our readers in running through it will be
convinced, that in spite of the existing electoral
legislation, in spite of the sumativres of the mi-
nistry, and the support of the restoration party, the
just masts, as it is self-named, has not retured
a very numerous party.
Of the 459 Deputies which the Colleges have
elected, we reckon :
Deputies forming pert of the dissolved Chamber ... 2111
Of Anterior Chambers . . ••7
New and popular mem .. • • ... 107
Re-elections, in consequence of double nomination 36
Not returned (from accident)

Total 469
Thus the former chamber was composed of 430
members, 212 of which have been ousted.
Amongst those may be noticed Messrs. Agier,
Decaux, Villemain, Dupin (Charles), Parlor (Au-
gustin), Baron Louis, De Bigny, &c., and a good
number of others, devoted body and soul to the
present system. The legitimate party, as it has
been termed, has lost all its champions. One
alone, M. Berryer. has tamped, and hi presence at
the chamber will serve to establish the liberty of
the elections. The popular party have to regret
some men, such as Messrs. Corcelles, Abatucci,
Cbardel, Cordier, Bachelu, and d'Argenson, who
sunk under ministerial manoeuvres ; but every
thing leads us to believe that in the elections which
will take place in consequence of the double no-
mination, several colleges will claim the honour of
electing them. Of 32 millions of citizens, about
120,000 have by the elective franchise in circles of
10,000 privileged electors, chosen 459 representa-
tives—whose capacity, patriotism, and political
probity are approved by the payers of direct
taxes.—Le Revolution.

Marshal Soult has addressed to us, by the organ
of the Meesager, rather a tardy reply to a part of
our article of the 12th of July. We said in that
article that the effective number of the troops
which could be put is line was, on the 10th of
June was, but 300,000 man, taking then at the

extreme. We bad seenSaW with our ov ri
eyes—the exact table of the situation of the vallo
regiments ; a situation which the chiefs of
corps mend ordinarily the Ist of every month. 11,
copied the following numbers, which we give
perfectly authentic :
Soldiers

... 13.838

Total ... 393,422
If you would now wish other details, with figureA,
we can give them; but, without expressing pre.
cisely the figures, we will just tell sufficient thlt
Marshal Soult may be satified that we are in ti,:
secret. Thus our army is composed of
67 Regiments of the Line
21 of Light infantry
8 Companies of Discipline
2 Regiments of C,arabineers
10 Regiments of Cuirassiers
12 Regiments of Dragoons
14 Regiments of Chasseurs
12 Companies " Bedentaire" Under-officers
30 Companies " Sedentaire" Fusiliers
13 Companies " &dentate" Dragoons
6 Companies of Hussars
11 Regiments of Artillery
1 Battalion of Boutonniere
12 Companies of Workmen of the Artillery
6 Squadrons of the Parks of Artillery
3 Regiments of
30 Companies of thEleterof Alilitary Equipages
3 Companies of the Workmen of ditto B4uipages
1 Battalion, forming eight companies, of Workoitn
. .

Supposing that all these were complete, could
they be put in motion ? No ; for there must
always be deducted men for depots, aid not
equipped, not mounted (and those are very coc-
sidereble). Then even, there must always be de-
ducted from the amount the following corps, solely
destined to the interior service, namely--24
je-
gions of Gendarmerie (14,000 men), 3 battalions
of Mobile Gendarmerie, and 20 companies of
Veterans; 2 " Sedentaire" companies of Gen-
darmerie, the Municipal Guard, the Pompiers,
the Voltiguers. All these reckoned in the tons!
carries the amount too high. In fact, there must
also be deducted the army of the Morse and the
army of Africa, which forms an amount of 17,00 u
men. All these deductions made, there would re-
main in June 1831, 250,000 men more or less in
a position to be put in line. Call it 300,000. That
is the most. We said it, because we believed it true ;
we believed it true, because it wan not possible
but to have faith in the papers which were com-
municated to us; because the source was so au-
thentic that we could not have been furnished better
perhaps, even by the marshal himself. So much
fur the facts. Now, Marshal Soult accuses us
with misrepresentation, and behold his words—
" When those who proclaim themselves patriots
par excellence, calumniate the country, and re-
present it to Europe disarmed and without defence,
it is more than malevolence ; it is a spirit of trea-
son, If foreigners, deceived by the Tribune, set
foot upon the soil of France, they would soon ficd
that that generous land did not want defenders,
armed and ready. But, no; they know better, o:
as well, the true state of things as the Tribune.
They have, like it, reckoned all our soldiers ; they
hays reckoned them, and they know what they
have to trust to."

It is not we who ever doubted the national force ;
it is not we who have had fear that this generous
land would fail in defenders ; and if foreigners know
any thing, Marshal Soult, they know very well that
it is the vigorous portion of the population which
would be formidable to them ; they know also very
well, that it is the obstinacy to extinguish patriotism
—to disgust an ardent' and powerful population and
to ruin a country by an excessive budget ! It is
that, Marshal of the Empire, it is that, and nothing
else, which is the spirit of treason.
We have not hesitated to make known to France
that she had no need of a budget of 1500 millions
exacted from her while she is still humiliated in the
face of Europe. 1500 millions to deliver our
natural frontier to England ; to place us perhaps
in a worse position than we were under the re-
toration. 1,500 millions to receive every day con-
tempt from all the abortive Princes of Italy; 1,500
millions to allow the law to be made by Austria ;
1,500 millions in fact to have muskets which are
unserviceable, and $o put nearly three hundred
thousand men under arms. Pray is all that calum-
niating the country : is it unjustly accusing the
Ministry ? The country Let it not be said, that
it is suspended at the caprice of M. Perier or
Marshal Soult ! The country, thank GOD, is not
so much identified with them, that in touching the
one we attack the other ! That certainly is a
strange pretension ? Yes, the country will be
saved; but only by commencing to reject you, by
removing afar from its affairs all traitors. The war
which it will wage is not yet known ! It is
no longer the inert mums that must be launched
the one against the other ; it is the intelli-
gent people that must be raised ; it is the citizens
intoxicated with enthusiasm ; these are the flames
of the country which must be illuminated. War
against the Kings of Europe ! it is Francs, it is
the French volunteers wbo would run at the first
signal to the Rhine, and retake those strong plac
which you have lost to the country. It is the
people of France who would commence, it is the
people of Europe who would finish it for us. Of
war, as we would have it, Poland has given the
example ; but you, who have no soul ; you, whom
liberty has always found cold and callous, you
pretend to the gloryof giving fear to foreigners! no,
and I tell you this with profound oonvicdon, if des-
pots have any hope, it is in you. But they. know
never one of them sullied the French soil whilst the
people were king : there is then for us a voice
which has echoes in Belgium, in Germany, and
even unto Russia; it is we alum who can awaken
all the sympathise which you have witnessed.—
Yes, should the foreigners come, it is we who must
rise to repulse them.--La Tributes.
The 'minister of Finance has just published the
table of the produce of the indirect taxes during
the first six months of 1831. The following are
the inost important results of that publication :
The produce of the indirect Taxes dudes
the first six mouths of 1831 f. 118,813,000
The same products, during the cermissmillog..
period of lan, save 24,017,000

&knee to the ilsalmat et 18111 33,214,100
The leverlos the ea ohms, comosasi;;
from the Ist et Jemmy het, exploits that
dladoutlea by a sou ot _ 17.400,090
The reel dasisatka Is, that, es;potei to the
resalts et 111* 15,81400
.
It Is &vita thus t &ludo at the list 3
maths 6,137.040
The

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100, ear a in at 44,1177,0110