Star.
London, England, 1807-07-17 00:00:00

IRISH GLSIII HOUSRI.

The Earl of SUFFOLK withed to move the kesed reading of
the Bill (or granting so,oool. for the ereeltinu of Glebe Hooks in
Ireland, and to make (rime obtervatious up .d the ridded ; bvt on
the fuggelthen of the Lord Chancellor, that the. printed copies of
the Bill were not, yet on the table, it was agreed to poilpont the
ficond sreading till to morrow.
Adjourned WI to-ntornsw (this day). g

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

A new Writ wao ordered for the Borough of Hertford, in the
room of the Right Hon. Lord Robert Seymour, w►o has made
his det:tion for the County of Carrowthen.
A new Writ was alto ordered for the Borough of IVlddherft, in
the room of Samuel Smith, Efq. who has made his eledtiun for
the Borough of 4.eiesfter.
The Equity Courts' Bill was ordered to be read a third time to•
morrow.

iiePcilkeflone Pier and Harbour Bill was paired, and ordeted
to the Lords.

The feeond reading of the Tait India Jurifdialoo lteghLition
Bill was pufttoned tin this day fc'nnight.
The Sierra Leone BUJ was read a fecond time, and ordered to
be eosuritted for to-motrow. _

Mr. FOSTER obtained bate to bring in a Bill for regulating
and eolledling the Duties on Gold and Silver Plate manufatlured
In Ireland

The frith DlEUlery Bill, the trial Chancellor of the Exchequer's
Bill, and the Mar Cuttoms' Compeofatioo Bill, were feverally
committed, and the Reports ordered to be received to-morrow.
The Report of the Committee of Ways and Mane was brought
up, and agreed to, and Bills ordered to be brought la ther.em
'1 he Reports on the frith Spirit Licence Bill, and the kills Pro-
'Mon Bill, were feverally brought op and agreed to, and the Bills
ordered to be read a third time to morrow.

The Report. on the In& Sugar and Tea Duty Bin, and the frills
Naval Stores Importation Bills, were feverany brought up sod
agreed to, and Bins ordered In thereon refpcdtively.
The Lottery Bill and the Id& Stamp Duties Bill were feverany
read a fecund time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow.
The Eyelre Amendments Bill, the Fenimore Houfe BiU,and the
irifb Infirmaries Eatention Bill vizre feverally brought up, read a
fiat, and ordered to be read a fecund time to•mortow.

BREACH OF FRIVILLGE.-...MR.LOWTANI &X.
Mr. JEFFERY (one of the Members for Poole)
role, purfuant to the notice he had given, to tom-
plain of a flagrant breach of the law, and of the pri-
vileges of the Houle of Commons. He Rated that
a writ had been iffued, in the ufual form, on the nth
of April Jail, tOr the elation of two Members to
ferve for the town and borough of Poole. That
writ had been iffued, and left with the clerk of Mr.
Lowten, in the Temple. The parties, candidates,
&c. went down of coUrfe at the time appointed for the
elation: and many oldie eleaors aaually remained
at Poole for three weeks or a month, in order to i
give their votes. However, a delay, at the time on-
accountable, took place, till at laft the Sheriff gave
notice that the elation fhould take place on the
zsth of May. One of the conies of the delay, u it
atterwards appeared, was, that one of the voters
was nut eligible to vote till the szd of May, when
he came of age ; the confequence of which was, that
when the eleftion came on, there was a double re-
turn as to two out of three candidates. Mr. Jef-
fery farther Rated, that he applied to Mr. Lowten
to know what was become of the writ ? Mr. Lowten
told him that it had been fent three-hours before.—
In anfwer to another inquiry, Mr. Lowten gave him
a rude reply, namely, that he would not inform him
(Mr. Jeffery) to whom it was fent, but, for his con-
tolation. he might be allured, it was feat down
againft his interell. Sir Richard Bickerton, a Lord
• of the Admiralty, who was one of the Candidates,
went down, and was kept at Poole for a length of
time, in confcquence of this delay, with great Incon-
venience to the public fervice. He would therefore
move, " That Mr. Staniforth, the Meffenger of the
Great Seal, be now called in. to fubtlantiate, by evi-
dence, that flatement which had`now been made."
Mr. CREF.VEY wifhed &It to afeertain to what
point of evidence Mr. Stanifolth's examination was
to go?
The SPEAKER Paid, that the fuhjeft, as Rated
by the Hon. Member for Poole, deeply Welted the
privileges of the Houle. Whoever prefumed to de-
tain the doing of a writ, wis Grill, of a high crime
and nufdonoanour, as it went to deprive thofe of their
feat who ought to be in that Houle. It was by the
examination of evidence that the Honfe could after- j
twin bow tar the allegation of the' lion. Gentleman
' was tubitantiated: ' ' ' " ' - . - I

Kr. Stitt:Worth war then &tiled in, and intarroga
ted at the Bar, by the Stamm. as follows:
• Whit did rim receive the int writ fort the elation of a Mau-
-1 per to three for the town and canny of Pools On the 29th
of Arrlt

Q_ To whom did you deliver k t—A. To jamb= Brindrctt•
Q. When ?-.A Witblo two boon after I rossivedk.
• Wks is he?—A. Chid Clerk to Mr. Loots'. attorney.
To what periods did you deliver to hiss that writ I—A. To
fend it down wkh expedition to the liberal a Poole. •
Mr. JEFFERY then moved, 14 That Jonathan
Brtindrett do attend this Haute to-morrow ;" but,
on the fuggetlion of the &assails. that the motion
should be Ara for the attendance of the principal
and then of the clerk, Mr. Jeffery altered hir. motion
thus : 64 That Mr. Thomas Latium, Attorney at
Law. and his clerk, Jonathan Brundrett, do attend
this Houk to-morrow ; and that the farther con 6•
deratiim of the caufe of the delay or mifratrriage of
the writ, be deferred till to•morrow."

yoLusyseas,
Sir T. TURTON moved for a return of the ac-
tual Effedive TOW of the Volunteers of Great Bri-
tain and Ireland. He rejoiced that meafures would
be to-morrow propofed to the Houle by the Noble
Lord (Catilereggh). who had paid the utmoß atten-
tion to every part of our Military Defence, and par-
ticularly to the Volunteers. There were returns on
the table up to the tlth of December, 1806. Thofe
Turns were, however, known to he yery inaccu-
rate, and hardly to be depended upon. It would be
in vain to conceal that the Volunteer Force hid de•
eroded to a Molt alarming degree l and it was no
wonder that it had fo happened, when the language,
as well as thf condo. of the lea Adminifiration with
Yelped to the Volunteers was taken into confiders-
.tion. He knew, however, that the hearts and fpirit
of the great body of them were found ; and he was
convinced that, with but little encouragement from
Government, their former order might eafily be re
vived. He did not fee that any thing fo etredual
could be fubllituted in the place of the Volunteer
SySern.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
allowed that the lag returns could not be ahtriortely
relied upon, as they were made by the Officers in
their own way, without any direllions or check
from the Government. He thought that the heft
returns of the fituation of the Volunteer Force were
likely to be got from the reports of the Infpeding
Field Officers.

Mr. SHAW LEFEVRE warmly contended. that
the reafon of the idecreafe of the Volunteer Force
was by no means from any condo& purfned, or any
language held by the late Adminiflration, but
merely becaufe there did not appear any immediate
necetEty for their fervices, as the enemy was not then
on the coati But, thould the enemy return to the
coaft, he was convinced it would Coon appear that
there was no falling off, either in the numbers or
(pink of the Volunteers. If they had continued to
be worked in the fame manner as when the enemy
was on the coal, then, indeed, he believed there
would have been a great decreafe of their numbers,
as they knew the value of giving their attention to
their private occupations. He felt warmly on the
ftljed of Volunteers, as he had belonged to that
body fence 1794, and was determined, during the pre-
fent wa-, to continue a Volunteer while he bad a
limb to Rand on.
General PHIPPS did not underßand what the
Hon. Gentleman meant by working the Volunteers.
Their work was pirrely voluntary.
Mr. SHAW LEFEVRE (poke in explanation.
Sir T. TURTON, is reply, recapitulated the ex.
prelEons which had been thrown out againft the Vo-
lunteers at former times, from Members on the other
fide of the Honk. They were called a an armed
democracy," a depofitary of panic, and many other
degrading epithets, which mull have difgulled many
of them and induced them to retire.
The papers moved for were then granted.
FAST INDIA BONDS amt.
Mr. GRANT moved the fecond reading of the Bill.
Mr. CREEVEY did not with to oppofe the Bill
altogether, but at the fame time he did not think it
proper that it lhonld be read a fecond time now,
when no documents had been produced to fupport
it. This was the fiat time that fuch an application
had been made to the Houfe, without either the Re•
port of the Committee appointed to examine into the
merits of the application, or without a full difclofure
of the Company's affairs. The prefent time is un-
derflood to he one of unparalleled &firth in the
Company's affairs, and while two of their Budgets
were Rill in arrear, he thought it would be a moll uno-
precedented thing to give them now an increafed fa.
cility of borrowing money, without previoufly mak-
ing tone inquiry into their afloat fituation, and their
means of repaying it. His obje* ion was attempted
to be anfwered by Paying, that the Company wanted
nothing from the country; that this meafure would
be only commuting their power of railing money by'
an increafe of their capital to that of railing money
by their bonds. It could not be forgotten, however,
how arongly it was argued in 1796 by Lord Melville
and others, that it was far better to raife money
by increafing their capital, than by iffuing bonds.—
At prefent the Houfe had nothing to judge of the
fitnation of the Company by, except the left eflimates
which were laid upon the table. By thefe eflimates
it appeared that she expenditure abroad exceeded the
revenue by 2,600,0001. and that on the home ac-
count there was a lofs of 2,300,0001. In addition to
this it mull be recolleded that the debt was thirty
millions, of which near fevenreen millions *ere due
by bond, pay able at the option of the holder. There
had been from time to time molt flourithing accounts
given in that Houfe, of the future profpeEts- of the
Company, but thofe hopes had never been realifth.
He was allonithed that. the Hon. Direetor (Mr.
Grant) could now calculate on a long peace in India,
when le had before given his opinion that all the
treaties recently entered into in India with the Peith.
wa, with the Nimes, and with the Nabob of Oude,
were likely to kindle frefh wars. If all thofe meafisres
feparately, were likely to kindle wars, he could not
fee the grounds upon which this Bourifiring Gate of
the Company's affairs was to be prefitmed, or how the
Houfe could be joßified is allowing them to borrow
mire money without Come examination of the (late of
their affairs. He concluded by moving that the
fecond reading of this Bill be poßponed for a fort-
night.
Mr. GRANT (aid he was equally willing and de-
firous with the Honourable Gentleman, that the
affairsl4 the Company fbould undergo a full and fair

difcuffion, but not with a view to the unfounded
gravation or minatement of their prefent embarraff
snents, whatever thole Might really be. His a*
radon for oppofing the delay propofed by the Ho.
sourable Gentleman, was the opinion intimated sad
entertained on all fides of the Houfe, that the peefeit
would be a very (hors &Mon ; and as it was Idol
necelfary to the accommodation of the Companra J
*affairs that the prefent Bill Stolid pars in the prefect
Sefton, he apprehended that the delay propoced
would defeat their °bite. As to the prodothas of
the documents, (hewing a nate of the Company's 0
affairs for the two tan years.' althangh they were
Come Ikon time in the poffelfion of the Direflors, the
Honourable Gentleman hitsfelf molt know from ec.
petience the difficulty attending fuch an arrangement
of thole documents as to pat them in a fit fire to
lay before the Houle, The fad was, that with all
the diligence that could be exert-d, it was found
prafticable to lay them on the table in a printed Rate,
before the neceffary time for proceeding with the
prefent Rage of the Bill. The Papers of the fin'
year were allied, and now printing ; and he did hope
to have laid them before the Houk to•day ; the
others were in a Rate of forwardnefs, and he hoped
would be ready in a very few days. As to the fame,
or rather fufpenfion of thole profpefts in the taint.
pang's affairs, alluded to by the Honourable Gee.
denim, as formerly held out to this Houfe by a
Noble Lord, he begged leave to fay, they were Rated
in the contemplation of a permanent peace in India;
and they were defeated only by the (laden and un.
expeBed breaking out of two focceffive and =oft
eoftly wars, which not only exhaußed the Company's
revenges in India, and loaded their credit there wish '
.exorbitant interefls for neceffary loans, but abforbed
the money and invellments fent out for commercial
Impedes; inßead of (offering them to be appropri-
ated for the purchafe of large inveilments homeward.
Thefe cadet, added to the circumfiance of the Com-
pany having now in their warehoufes goods to the
value of above ft; millions, for which they bud not
been able to find 4 fate time enough to anfwer their
engagements, they felt it expedient to apply to Par.
liament, not for any grant of money, as had been
milconceived by the Honourable Member, but fir
the liberty of railing two millions on their credit, by
bonds, as a mode more convenient and lets injurious
to themfeives, and lets likely to be detrimental to the
public than that of retorting to the privilege already
veiled in them by Parliament, of extending their ea.
pital to three million, more, if they thought fit.,
The prefent embatraffment was but temporary ; and
now that peace was reamed in India, there was every
profpen that the Company would fpeedily be in a
way to realize their promife of paying off two mil.
lions a year, if the peace continued. What might
be the difpofition of the native powers in that coun-
try, now in our alliance, to break with us. or how
loon circumfiances might giv: rife to a new war, it
was impoffible to forefee.
Lord FOLKSTONE fupported Mr. Crteoey's
amendment, and faid, nothing could be more reafon-
able than the (hors delay propofed, until the Ijoufe
Illould have an opportunity of duly examirdig the
Company's affairs, which he Paid were univetfalty
confidered to be in a (late of bankruptcy. The ob.
vious reafon why they did not raife the money is thi
wa7 they were already authorized, by increafing
their capital, inßead of applying to Parliament for
penniffion to raife it in the mode now proporeat ou,
that the public. fufpicious of their affairs, and appto
herifive of their infolvency, would isive nothing for
their flock ; and because they conceived that if Par-
liament gave this fanitiou to their bonds, ii would be
confidered as a proof th tt.the Houfe had fully exa-
mined into their circomaances, and had found 46re
folvent. The Houfe therefore was bound, before it
gave this fanftion (which the public would confider'
as a Parliamentary goat antee to the loan fo ritifedt
fhould the Company prove infolvent) to examine
fully into the Rate of their affairs, uh.ch the Hon.
Dice for had Paid were neatly ready to be laid beft we
the Houfe, and that the thorn delay propofed would
produce no impediment liable to fair objenion.
Lord HOWICK fpoke at length, in leppott of
the arguments of the left Speaker, and urged the
indifpenfahle neceffity of a full and minute enmina-
lion into the affairs of India, a country fo materially
connefted with the prolperitt and greatnefs of the
Btitiffi Empire, and fo much the favourite and avows
ed objell of our Formidable enemy.
Mr. GRANT explained, and apologized for the
word' ignorance,' which he bad applied to a pan of
the fpeech of Mr. Creevey.
Mr. R. DUNDAS laid, the Ample queßion in this
cafe lay in the narrowed compost. It was nseiely,
whether the Houfe would allow the Company to
raife two millions for their temporary accost= ala-
lion by bond. inßead of railing it in the nutiner
they were already authorifed to raife it. by increaft
their capital t and this question, he contended, haft
nothing on earth to do with the 'ate of the Callt
pany's affairs now coming forward, nor was it in do!
ffighteß degree neceffary that any fuch investigation,
as that propofed, thould precede the pang of this

Doflor LAWRENCE, at tome length, fupportc4
the neceffity of the enquiry, and Lid that the Houfe
fitould. not !hew too mach readinefs to grant fuch
aids to uadiag Companies upon their own mere
affertions ; for, if this Were granted, the next claim
would probably be from the Welt India merchants
and although the Houfe would not, perhaps, be le-
gally bound to guarantee the loan thus contraaed,
in cafe of infolvency, the public would confider them.
(elves entitled in equity to relief from Parliament,
upon the guarantee of whole [andiron they would flay
they had lent their money.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEUE.R
fupported the Pimple quellion, as Rated by M. R.
Dundas, and Aid it never entered into the concep-
tion, or, he believed, into the hearing of any man,
before this night's debate. that Parliament, in Psi.'
Ping a Bill aurhorifing a great Corporation or 'I ra•
ding Company to raife money on their own fecuritisst
or to adopt any commercial or other pr jea or fpecti-
lation, thereby bound themfelTes to guarantee the
folvency 4 fuch company, or the fucceis of fuch fpe..
culation._'• As well might it be laid, that the com-
pany of the Grand Junaion Canal, or 'or the Welt
India Docki, or the Proprietors of any Cqal Mine ti
Manufaaory; were guaranteed in thei! solvency and
fuccefs by Parliament, the moment it palffd All AR
for their incorporation. He utterly denied that any
fuch intention over wm formed or implied, or that

-thee exidad the lead analogy in the cafe, as cony•
pawl with the Weil India Merchants.
Sit-ARTHUR WEL LESLEYfopported the fame
arguments, and faid, with refpet to the Company's
affairs in India, that he had very good authority to
f:y their revenues were now fully equal to their Civil
and Military Eftabliihments, and was producing
an annual furplus of one million. That the :wo
IA wars in which they had been involved were moll
espenfive, could not be denied ; and that they were
jun, politic, and neceffary, hewas equally convinced,
and he w‘, cunfident the Houfe would poirefs a fimi-
lar conviCtion.

Lord MORPETH raid a few words on the fame
fide with Mr. Creevey.
Sir J. NEWPORT explained, and contended that
in cafe of any unfortunate failure of the Eall India
Company, thnfe who lent their money would have
an AquilAble claim on PArliament.
Mr. LAMBE expreffed hirnfelf briefly to the fame
e

A divirton took place on the recond reading :
Ayes 85—Noes to—Majority a;.
The Bili WilS then read cfecond time, and ordered
to be commiued on Month*.

TiiE,EVENII4O STAR.

LCIDON.

itIDAY. JULY 17.

PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK:
Canto's, money, 62{ 63, for July 63, fat Augutt 6513.
Omnium dif.—Exchequer Bills, par to Is. pr.
PRICE OF STOCKS YESTERDAY.
Wank Stock 13DI India Stock, z7Bf ex. di,.3
per C. Red. Ann 6+J; 62f I India Bonds, as a ss. prem.
per Cent. ConE 614-f Enke. Bills, Is. dif. Is. pre.
4 per Cent. g ycri Ornnium. t d'l
S per Cerit. Navy 943 943 Lottery Tickers, 2 17s.
Long Ann. s7f 9-16ths Couto!s for ace. !SA 63

The PRINCESS OF WaLes cutter, which arrived at
Yarmouth yellerday, from Memel, brought over Co-
lonel HARVEYi With difpatches from Lord HUT.
CHINSON. She landed the Colonel gt Whitby the
day before, whence he fet off immediately for town.
The contents of thzfe difpatches had not tranfpired,
but they are believed to relate to the conferences that
have taken place between the two Emperori, and the
confequences likely to refult from them.