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•dinitted some Reform was necessary—for those very changes had re-
,noved many of their complaints to the original Bill. (Hear.) The
principle of the Bill, however, be contended, remained unaltered.—
;),form, he maintained, was required by the state of the country; it
would no longer endure the present system, the representation by pre-
4ctiption ; therefore, it' they wished to maintain the institutions of the
country, and the attachment of the people to them, the people must be
eoon%inced that they were really, not virtually, represented. (Hear,
Har.) But be was charged with having compromised his opinions,
'etc:,t.e this measure was not accompanied with the ballot. Now he
had never considered the ballot a sine qua non. He had held that it
w the preferable mode of taking votes—but he had never deism"
:but Reform could not be good without it. (Hear.) The plan now
;seised he deemed quite satisfactory without it. The measure gave
incleased power to numbers—but there would also be the indirect, and
that he deemed the legitimate, use of property : the direct influence of
property was pernicious ; but its indirect influence would be shown in
ompelling individuals of wealth to cultivate the good opinion of their
ieighbourhood. He thought that they ought to accommodate them-
Tiros to the altered state of things._ to the improved education and in-
, iligence of the country, and the spread of wealth. That, he thought,
..could be done by this bill. As to ih2 talk about danger from the revo-
:utionary tendency of this bill, he much feared that if the class who would
~)e benefited by this bill, were disposed to revolution, were hostile to the
nstiiutions a the country, this bilrmight do much or them ; but this it
could do, it would remove the ground of complaint, and make even
_bent have greater reason to feel attachment towards the institutions
•-ti the country. Therefore, instead of having a revolutionary ten.
de•lcy, the bill would have a directly contrary effect. With respect to
tee charges of partial views,he ensiled not those who made such charges,
'lie possession of feelings that could prompt them. They who pro-
this bill rested all their claims to success by rendering the bill
usetul as well as acceptable to the country, and all their claims to just
recognition by posterity, to the manner in which they brought forward
tic boll ; and with such feelings they did not allow any partial views
to mingle with the measure. However, he must now urge on all those
who %etc friendly to the measure, to remember that if the amend-
now proposed were carried, it would so damage the bill, that such
!•t:CI:VSN would be deemed the first blow struck at the measure, and a
lion that would be fatal. He therefore earnestly called on all the
sir ere friends of the measure, to resist the amendment, and to carry
the bill in its present shape.
1, id STORMONT said this night's exposure proved that the ori-
•:inal bill had been a tissue of errors. It had swollen from tw eye to
twenty-five pages, and yet it was declared that there was no alteration
in the bill, It was, in fact, a new bill ; at all events it was now a
very different bill—and by the time it had gone through the Committee,
the Ministers' "fat friend" would have become a very "lean" one.
(A laugh.) There was too much seeking for popularity—that bane
of public men—in this bill :in former times there would have been differ-
ent conduct. However popular it might have been, they would not have
supported a bill founded on such vicious principles. He denied that the
amendment was brought forward to throw out the bill, (a laugh ;) it
was not brought forward with friendly motives certainly—but it was not
meant as a trial of strength. He was not one of those who thought the
rumberjof that house inconveniently large. He approved of the amend-
mot, and he trusted it would be carried. As they were likely to have
.n many Catholic members, and as the repeal of the Union was to be
el/dated, ought they to unction the diminution of the number of mem-
bers i He begged to know whether time would be allowed before the
bill should be considered in Committee.

General DUFF briefly supported the amendment.
Mr. FERGUSON strongly opposed the amendment. He did not
sce how it could be supported by any Scotch member who sought to have
the large places in Scotland represented. If any Scatch member voted
rgtinst the increase of members for Scotland, he would not dare to go
but to Scotland with any chance of success with his constituents. He did
not wash to sacrifice the sound representation of England ; but ought
Gatti a to male memb ra, and Glasgow, with its 140.000 inhabitants, to
Lace r o meintxti? He was against the corrupt representation of rotten
torougles, of the elo. a boroughs, and he considered the improvement now
might to bi of nll.l beneficial tendency. It had been said by Mr. Dun.
ring .h it " the influence of the crown had increased, was increasing, and
rught t 3 he dimini heir" but that was an influeace of which they had
ro lenger sixak—it was au influence that had ceased to exist.
(C leers from the Opposition.) If hon. members would hear what hc had
further to state on this point, they might not be quite so ready to cheer,
especially from such part of the house. The influence of the Crown,
in the sense in which Mr. Dunning spoke of it, was gone ; but by what
had it been superseded ? By the base and degrading boroughmongering
influence. Such was its extent, that administrations had been obliged
to pay court to it—and good measures had been unable to be brought
forward till it was ascertained what were the opinious of this Duke or
that Marquis, who had his representatives in that house. He believed
this bill would introduce the most decided and useful improvement in
the representation of the country, and therefore the Bill had his fall

support.
Lord LOUGHBOROUGH made a few remarks. He said that the
principal object he had for rising was to declare that he would not sup-
port any accession to the representation of Scotland.
Colonel WOOD said he was ready to support the bill in principle ;
but in detail he wasopposed to many of its provisions. By the bill there
were to be forty-one members kuocked off from the representation of
England ; but he was of opinion that not one could be dispensed with ;
and he also thought that Ireland, with reference to numbers, was very
fairly represented. He did not mean at that late hour to detain the
house; but in a future stage of the Bill he would give his vote ac-
cordingly.
On the motion of I%lr. HUNT the debate was adjourned till to-
morrow (this day.)
The Coal Trade Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be com-
mitted on Friday neat.
Several petitions in favour of Reform in Parliament were presented.
The orders of the day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned
at half-past One o'clock.

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