Star.
London, England, 1815-02-18 00:00:00

End attangetatefiti aad at the tutetp. VI has hafglll
t left us in a settled and determined state, the Coak
ctet were not, as it appeared to .104. in. a candid*
to legislate permanent)y on the subject at . press* t
', ttill the depressed state of the egrigtiltural intstrestAl
was entitled to immediate ani,iderition and-relief.
and the qtr.-scion was, how this Mieht best be attiodedt
It appeared to him that it would be •most'expedient
to ti; a certain price, below which corn should not be
imported, and to come back gradiylly to the rare a;
Which Lit is selling at present 1 he should prefer 74.
to SOL to be settled in. the first insta ,cz ; but taking
it at 80s..he should propose to lower this standard
tWo shillings every year, 2nd by the time h wits thus
reduced to the present price, it was to be supposed,
that of diminution in rates and tales would enable the
farinee„te afford it very well at such a rate: Mr.
pennett, in. his' evidence before the Committee on a
former occasion, said if the price of wheat should fall
to what it was in 1792,11e,did nintiee any reason who
In a length of time every thing else should net fall in
the same proportion. We had had it over and over
agiiin that InbMir follows the price of wheat anif
many other charges upon the farmer followed the price
Of labour. When the agriculturists were driven 'Dutra
their other,areutnents, one by one. *it's* of taxes.
lluvr 'Mr. Webb, the respeetable unlit)* heft*
out4eitl, h'ad'said that the taw ettAcehaip ' acres
ite 140 ,4 do not exceed ' stli. or Jqe, and ; aeished
lye
..
Pfolmtirable Gentlemen,int'teaddi4i; • ipigthrotititi
: ei/taeetsiviacTlwthouelti ircsaccio4ilculationlys,.•
be whia44.on :lipvislstia soilaiexphin
e
taPICTer,: • ,As ig?the P4e? (4.Bool.eiltoNltt,oheerves
, t.tt,was the, very, outside, rate nava by any of the
„tettriessei who had given their evidence before the
.tit.o COmMittee. Mr. Maxwell thought 'as. Mr.
Mann 725.. and other Gentlemen that 713 i. would be
it sufficient price;. and those, who stated this, sup.
posed rent,. audit:eller charges to remain the same,
when the Fict is they cannot remain the same, foe
there it.i snots of evidence to prove they must be
lower as the price of wheat lowers. The disbanding
the army may have thrown a mass of poverty and
distteu upon the country, which may be felt in the
parish rates for the maintenance, of the Nor a and the
circumstance of society being thus in some measure
deranged and unsettled, was another reason why the
resent was the most impioper of all times to make a.
nent regulation upon the subject before the
mmittee. An Honourable Gentleman bad said
iat .rent had little or nothing to do withalie. Flee of.
ropm
corn. The same Gentleman who thought 410 ;q.
lazes of very great consequence, was of opinion that
the same sum in rent was of rio importance. In my
own case, said the Hon. Gentleman, seven yeast ago
I had a farm, which, I let fqr i€6oo s-year, now the.
same farm bringiarioo a,year ; and is it to be sup,
posed, that if £6OO a-year were taken off again. it
would not affect the price at which the farmer could
afford to sell his produce ? Some Gentlemen could
Ante po difference between giving a monopoly of silks
and. lace:, and ogee of corn, and thought that it it tat
expedient' to do so with some wicks, it might
be so with this;, but he WAS a opinion there was a.
great differetke, and that a monopoly on luxuries was
110 reason for a monopoly on the essential articles of
life. A. Writer up* the auhject had maintained that
this country was Ade to produce an adequate supply
ot rain for its °WO cqnsumption. He might not go
chi !metre of that 'Miter, nor could he be tempted
into the support of a measure t) blister up the agri-
cultural interest by the hope cf bringing into ennui.
vatiAhvatbs and wastes. He could ‘see no good rea•.
son to make people. pay Ifid. instead of Is. for a
quartern loaf, merely because corn should be grown
on Bagshot Heath. It could not be any advanta•
geous thing to grow corn, if it was to be‘produced at
a greater expense than the corn when grown was
worth. rersinis took credit to themselves for the acres
of wood they had cleated to grow corn upon, and
expected a premium for raising the price of useful
timber by lessening the quantity of it, in .order to grow
corn upon land not fit for it. The same might be
said of those who, by turning good pasture into
bid coin !add, were increasing the price of meat...--
:The country is taught to dread, as the greatest ot
crib, the necessity of getting corn from fot:eign coup-
tries; hut for his part lie thought it a very wise dis-
pensation of Providence, to require an exchange of
article's-each the produce of the couutry; where it
was produced at least expense. Vaid in the greatest;
perfection. As long es this coutary could get corn
from torogn. cents(' ses cheaper than it could grow it,
it was Our interest to import it; and when it was
otherwise. our interest would be a sulficieat stimulus.
o the growth of it at home. .It has been obseeveds
however, theta' apply mai,. be stopper when it is most
Wanted, and' .1 tkpcsuiance argon Xrance .has been
Wrown out as a catthArpt trpresent occasion. It
Oas not the price of m ranee only that would.
Influence abe.' exports frpm the Continent to this
6Ontft, 'OO Ai, average price of Eercipe, and ea .
tithed 'vih- Me' best evistenee to the probabdity.
f I liIII * SOW t withheld, 'llt the last twenty
years,. when the power of 4onaparte.had been exerted
to the utmost ty pritent it, And there was a compli.
Cation Of titlcemstaaces hardly ever likely to occur
kgain. Europe.ha4 Altus* exported to this country
three _timer. as mach as In soy former twenty If**
froth the time of the Road. If such was the eapt,
rience of the most trying period, there was Aare!,
no danger to be apprehended from' Wet equree.,
g was not looking to mock popularity, *hick
red for as little as any Gentleman in that Ifoasiti
t he believed In his. conscience, that While we. were
' n 4 not' to reline immediate relief to thelarusee-
' . should fix a priee to be gradivillyloweres.l to the
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alien greatly
rs was yet Ind. a mile, siocwitluit . og diereduc.,
Their It Mala also had
st managed u
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Wpnd there
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gr. ROlSlNlSM•tclitplAned i-,lie had oat f argued.
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tertvour uf a'restritriir system as applied to Cori,
'beca- use that system had been. found advatstageous. to
ow manufactures—phe had ',piety meetioned it as an
observation. not altogether withaut.sveight.— ,
Mr. ROSE said the Honotirable Ge lenlOn(4••
firing) WAS much mistaken if he • •ed that he
ad changed' his opinions daring t . s (hear,
like.
' hear); the fast was, that they were not only un-
Pdhl!olictit but thal ceerY !hint Ile halt Worst awl sego
ofpon. the. sohieet. kid tended loyepOrm bias in the
siehtinunts Le had previous 4 stetted
.the House.
Mr. BA KING coujectired this . . ad al-
hiltir
welip
towed his opinion, from whin he . ' ted re-
specting the interviews .with the Bail of trespook
Ide feared that /di. Rose,,h4d„ during the recess.
thought better of the toattcroptic. had ehanged.his
aitk of the man V the Itep.pl,ooF,astq of:the new grand
Aide crosses of The Order of tlig4loih. (Laughter.)
1, Mr. ROSE thought the•Rononrble Gentleman
,aught ,to have known host tad; cues* .was generally
to such reports. .. , i ..„ ~. :1;,,,..
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• , Mr; BRA, ND Was tmatiihn sio,tre***.com-
,ittSe upon the present ofeab.aootAtialPane after what
Asad born said by the 4.iglit HoosGestleman, who
hod last taken his seat. kle would either proceed or
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defer his arguments maul a foimequant cescasioa, ac-
cording to the wish of the Moose (cries of go alo.se ea.)
regretted that his Hon. Eriendshelcor. (Mr. Phil-
-18 and Nit% Baring) in the-comae of their hpeeches
bad. only touched on matters. of lesser importance,
shrinking from the main pei,,,t of deb, vr, They had not
ventured to state what would 'be the. taxation of the
poorer classes of the community, the majorityof the
people of England. if the resolutions wercrejected.—
, In Great Britain half the popuhition wes,eogaged Oa.
pursuits of agriculture; and what would be their coo-
dition were things to remain unaltered ? What Wits
their state at the present moment? The labourers
were unable to procure employment from the farmer,
and they were consequently thrown upon the Poor
Ratec7-4(imr, Aser.), When Geotiameo, argued in
the way in which these, Resolutions had been op-
posed, it was necessary to ask them to whom the soil
pf dot country belonged ? It was not, in truth, the
,preperty of thole who were called the proprietors t it
Word to ttte poor of the country—to those for
. .
,vr , opr wise,system of laws had provided, how-
rt
f,V r th:?se laws might in some cases he execotcd.
04 die refusal of the farmer to give employment to
the labourer, he Wos thrown upon the overseer, who
'min sent him back to the farmer, and an immense
otuober of these' unfortunate individuals were now me-
Nall; converted into what were calkd rattail:pus, be-.
mg binded round from farmer to farmer, who ;was to
endeavour to find them some emplOyment, that they
might not become complete burdens upon the parish..
By these means perhaps they earned half their usual
foie of wages ; and how was the other half to be sop..
plied but from the paur-rates?,-(11oar, hear). —Otte
pi the Gentlemen who had argued on the other side,
Of the question (Mr. Phillips) had quoted the. opinion
Of the Waned Mr. Malthus. What was the fact with
roped to that gentleman ? During the last year,
nut having tudicient information before him to draw
any correct conclusices, he had done little more than
ototo-the arguments on both sides. ten does ago
he had published a second parophlet, in which having
pow received the information whtch was necessary
before he stated any positive opinion, he asserted, of I
now do not hesitate to declare unequivocally that
some restrictioo upon the importation Of foreign
grain has now beeeme necessary." The Ho-,
nourable !steadier only repeated the ecorsle from me-
Flory, but he was sure he had given them correctly.
The Honourable Gentleman'wbe last-had advocated
the other side of the questiOn, had employed in argu-
ment which seemed ealculattd, to mislead the coup.
try. He had contended as ilk were salient by the
supporters of the Res :indoor to he said, that, their
immediate operation would be to produce a low price'
of grain. It was imposlible for any man to make
such an aesertion, much less for anytnan.to believe
it it it were'made, (or the object ofd this measure was
pot to make the price of cam extremely low, but to
prevent It at any future time from becoming im-
mensely high.—(l/see, hear.)—Why was not the
farmer to have some protection ? Did his capital
and his industry demand no consideration ? Were
specelatiog maoufacturers only to be relieved, while
farmers were to be placed at tbesmercy of the foreign
grower ?.-- (Hear, hear, hear.)—He had cootended
also, that the difficulties now complained of were
lattributed too little to rent and too much to taxes,
but why dicfnot this appear in some of the reports ut
gvidenoe taken before Committees of both Houses of
Patliemeot I Why was not the Honourable Gentle-
;mars found putting questions opon this subject to
the witnesses whom he complained were to biassed in
the testimony they gave t Ithadtten said that these
taxes, in truth, amOunted to no more than about £l5
a-year upon 500 acres of land. Certainly the direct
taxes might oot exceed that sem, but who could
calculate, at, any moderate sum, * indirect. taxes to
SRich the farmer was subject, in a concern that se-
ired a capital of at least £5,000 ?—(ifsor , hear 1)
—He (Mr. Brand) begged to state a (act that had
come within his knowledge, in his ppm rwisiii?Otililooti;
;be cultivators of the land had beenlactostonr4 to
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glee their land a dressing of soot, which might cost
lift per acre, but the effect was, thaf the, crop tvai
,augmented one-filth, or perhaps onaiorth. 91 Vie
this practice had been. disco:Wooed, . and if, le pike:
;pence of difffaulties Ilse WWI. resole gap had been
made by the farmers more ektetrilv_eir mooch .itr.
land, where should we bi able to find a intisply eci il
to the *maintenance of oat-fifth of the pofolation of iis,
would thus deprived of. bread? It slid inaintairtea
resolutions wa, Allpled indit7,
\ a (4,Whter up indi-
- 'of justice; big,
dispassionately
the incrpased
Lluidaowtier,
17940,0 doi
(tale was still lbwit
' iflrpar des ilekbt
lit disctiss to
~ that would
hear.) As to
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suppose that r;
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ing was yet 18d. a milersiotwithat. og tlieredue. would thus be deprived of, Weildf .1t - .1
in the price horses and their lc • alt .also had that the object pt these resoluitona wily)*
ur
to greatly, and, yet the Br .s st managed tu ly to delatie ople,and to prop!' '
up the price of Porter, [ . Whithre4d smiled, .vidaal aptif in intetvit by ashew 'of j
there was * general laugh t rotigh the House]. 14e.urisi co that no man, who disil
7 were perhaps of opinion that they could tot /sewed the atiblect, would assert that the
act upon the price of corn, because it mi3lst,49t, 014. bast•baeu .any advantage to the L
ettled, and the troth was, that it would be vast peed '9 these he enjoyed previous to I
rise to legislate definitively until things ha4.ii,fillien. . hirflinti wire low, bis expeadituire was
heir proper level, and
.to attempt to prep got> pFopqrtiont .111.1 only. oljcct of itd-p.
itei up any part of the system, to the
.ntanifesrm. top indite believed wets, caudifilt to 1
rof ihe other branches of the cotta elf' no tittbject,, as ito come to. a determination
er Member should ,antieipate him, bead 4 renderlattlie
.0 All Pettit'— (Hear, ha
sequenee of what be lilt • upon this qiiestl9op, pit lc idlest had belii.gried on the impropriety
ire day propose' son* COunter-resoltitiosia. fight is perinaminfAleasures
.p. nagippuld sip
imexanual; after Ifhiit Impottetlob might bb wade "mid be .coidstent witt die world, t
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