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the interference of •Parliamriktt as to Charters would
end. Fatigued as he was by his duties in the House
to-day, he felt it impossible to go through the evi-
dence with the attention it appeared to him to de-
mand. He had, however, no doubt, upon the credit
of the Noble Marquis, that abuses there really were;
but their Lordships should be careful of what they
were doing to remedy them, as if the present Bill
passed in its present state, not one Corporation would
be safe under the principle of it. •
The Earl of LIVERPOOL thought that his Noble
and Learned Friend was entitled to the delay he asked
for, when it was considered that he had been engaged
all the morning in delivering his opinion, and weigh-
ing that of another Noble and Learned Lord, upon one
of most complicated cases that ever had come
before the House. He hoped it was not asking too
much, tinder such circumstances, to postpone the

present Bill to Monday next.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY here assured their
Lordships that he himself had not even seen a tittle
of the printed evidence till ten o'clock in the morning.
The Earl of LIMERICK, in support of the Bill,
repelled the argument that it went to alter the Char-
ter. The Noble and Learned Lord upon the Wool-
sack might shake his head, but he would maintain
that one object of the Bill was to restore the ancient
customs and uses. The presenfhad been miscalled a
private Bill ; but in the Parliament of Ireland it
would have been considered a.great public Bill, and
treated as such. It was allowed by all that the griev-
ances of the people of Ireland were great ; that, in-
deed, they were many and great; and if the people
of that country were, judging from this instance, to
estimate the legislative remedies to be expected on
their part, they would conclude that the whole busi-
ness was a humbug. It would be settled that, al-
though their Lordships made fine speeches, there was
no relief to be had.
After an explanation from the Marquis of LANs•
DOWN and the Earl of LIVERPOOL, the third reading
was postponed to Monday.
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY was rising,
when another of their 'Lordships rose also, but gave
way to his Grace. He should not (the Archbishop
said) have to detain the House at any length. He
moved that the last Report from the Commissioners
or building New Churches be printed.—Ordered.
SCOTTISH JURIES. - •
The Earl of LAUDERDALE moved the second
reading of the Scotch Juries Bill, which he defended
at considerable length. This measure, he contended,
went to render more effective the striking of Juries
in Scotland, and proceeded on grounds expressly re-
commended by the Court of Justiciary. He would
defy any man to say why the system should not,
whether in civil cases, or criminal ones, work equally
well.. If Noble Lords had fair objections to the Bill,
let those objections be considered in a Committee of
the whole House; but he saw no reason for opposing
the Bill in its present stage.
Lord MELVILLE said, he should give his 4ecided
opposition to the Bill, being convinced that no prac-
tical evil had arisen from, the present mode of strik-
ing Juries in Scotland. He would therefore move as
an Amendment, that the Bill be read a second time
that day two months.
The Earl of ROSSLYN supported the Bill.
The Earl of ABERDEEN opposed the Bill, as one
for which he could see no necessity whatever.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE replied.
Their House theo,divided—for the second reading,
Contents • . - 9
Non-contents . _ - so

Majority against the Bill - • —ll
tINI.AwTuL OATHS (iSZLA ND) BILL.

The House went into a Committee upon the Unlawful Oaths
(Ireland) Bill.
The Duke of LEINSTER moved fors clause for exempting
Freemasons in Ireland from the operation of the Bill.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, it was intended that the
effect of the Bill should be universal—if any class were excepted
it would create jealousy amongst others, and give cause for un-
founded complaints.
The Amendment was then negatived without a division, and
the Bill reported without Amendments.
The Irish Tithes Composition Mill was recommitted, and re-
ported with Amendments.
Mr. Batman and otbcr Members of the House of Commons
brought up the East India Mutiny Bill, the Millbank Peniten-
tiary Bill, and the Foreign Marriages Bill, which were severally
read a first time.
The remaining Bills were forwarded in their respective stages.
—Adjourned.
HOLISE OF COMMONS.
The House was sumn.,)neLl in the usual manner to attend the
House of Lords, on account of the Royal Assent being given to
several Bills. (See Lords.)
Mr. S. WORTLEY presented a Petition from certain persons
confined for debt in the King's Bench, praying for relief.—
lif ought up, read, and ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. WILBERFORCE presented a Petition from the Mi-
ni .ter and Elders of the Church of Selkirk, for the Abolition of
Slavery.—Brought up, read, and ordered to lie on the table.
A new writ Well ordered for the election of a Member for
Newcastle under-Line, in the room of William Kinberaley, Esq.
if. ceased.
A Iteturn was ordered to be made out, as far as the same could
be, di the Members of the House who had held places of profit
under the Crown in the first Parliament of George I. and the
iaist Parliament of George 11.
The Report on the Annual Sessional Addresses was brought
up and agreed to.
An Address was ordered to be presented to his :Majesty,
praying him to confer some dignity on the Rev. F. Baylis,
Chaplain to that House.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved, that
the House, on its rising, do adjourn to Wednesday next.—
Agreed to.
Mr. CALCRAFT gave notice, that he would, early in the
course of next Session, move for the Repeal of the Leather Tax.
The New South Wales Bill, after some observations from
Mr. Woman and Mr. Witatter-Heoron, was read a third time
and paised.

PENITENTIARY BILL.
. The Order of the'Day fur the third reading of the
Penitentiary Bill was then moved by Mr. DAwsoN.
Mr:HORHOUSE said, he was decidedly of opi-
nion, notwithstanding the authority of the Member
for Shrewsbury, and• other amateurs of prison disci-
pline, that the system of punishment adopted there
was much too severe, and that the seapense attendant
upon the establishment was nut remunerated by the be-
nefits conferred thi ough this institution upon society.
Mr. GORDON said, that'llebelieied the situation
. of the Penitentiary was irremediably unwholesome.
Mr. DAWSON said, that the attention of the Se-
cretary of Statehad long been directed to the epide-
mic disorder raging in the Penitentiary. Medical
men. had been engaged long, and laboriously in en-
deavouring to tnitigate the seaerity of this unfortu-
sate, and apparent' y uncontroulable disease. flehoped
the Bill would be attended with beneficial results.
Mr. HOI3HOUSE explained; he did not impute to
moral causes the disease prevalent in the Penitentiary.

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