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were rather tol
be regretted then condemned. He believed every
man in the country would acquit his Majefty'sl
late Minifters of a with to opprefs innocent per-11
Eons. His Lordfhip then entered into a defence
of the conduit of the Committee. He Paid there
were many precedents for the Bill, not only that:
in the years :7:5 and 1745, which be confideredi
to be nearly cafes in point, but one (till ftronger,
and which was the aa of thole-very perfons who-
brought about the Revolution, the principles of
which are fo often held up to that Houk as a mo-
del for itscondua—previous to the landingof King
William, the Minaters of that time, who were gu..
nerally allowed not to poffefs principles inimical
to liberty, ordered feveral perfons to be appre.
hended, under a fufpicion that on the arrival of
that Monarch difturbances might arife, which
thofe perfons were likely to promote ; for this they,
afterwards obtained a Bill of Indemnity. In coati
eluding. his Lordfhip Paid, if their Lordfhips had
not a mind to hurl their Sovereign from hisTbrone,
or to turn themfelvesout of there doors, they would
pafs the Bill before them, which he moft earneftly
abjured them to do, if they willed to preferve that
Conftitution which was fecured to them by the
blood and virtue of their Anceßors, and he de.
fired them not to be afraid to do thefe alts which
their Anceftors did as well for pofterity as far
themfelves,
Lord MOIRA confidered the Bill as a meafure
calculated to detach the people from their alle-
giance. He contended that to meafures of oppref-
lion the Rebellion in Ireland was to be attributed.
He reprobated the proteftion given to (pies and
informers, whom he conceived to be not only the
molt odious, but the moil dangerous perfons in the
State. Thole men, he Paid, when they .had no
real information to give, mutt forge plots and ma-
tins, for the ,purpofe of keeping themfelves in pay.
In the documents laid before the Houle, he could
not fee caufe to arrell a tingle man. He thought,
as fo many perfons had been apprehended for fah
a length of time as four or five years, that Mini.
tiers, to Phew that fuch feverity was juftified, ought
tp have brought them to trial, or have given that
an opportunity of vindicating their charafters by
letting the laws of the country have their regular
courfe, and not fufpend them by loch an unnatural
aft as the prefent. He then adverted to the chit
cumftance of the confinement of Lord Cloncurry,
who, he hid, was deprived of liberty for two years
under the molt aggravating eircumftances of op-
preffion. That Wade Lord was never permitted.
during the whole of his imprifonment, to be oar},
moment in his room without being attended by a
guard of two men, who were relieved every two.
hours. He was never permitted a moment's relax.
at ion at a time when it was well known he labour-
ed under the molt fevere allliaions. The Lady oo
whom his Lordfhip was engaged, fell a facnfiat.
to her feelings for his Lordfhip's fituatioa, and the
death of his I,ordThip's father loon followed. Un•
der there accumulated misfortunes, be made re.
peated applications to be brought to trial, but be
made them in vain. He himfelf applied to the Se-
cretary of State for that purpore.—lie then took
a retrofpea of the Rate of the country fine the
commencement of the war, regretting that the pro.
fpeft of h% conclufion was not very flattering; and
concluded by hoping the amendment recommend-
ed by the Noble Lord (Suffolk) would be adopted.
The Earl of WESTMORELAND fupported the Bill,
and defended the condua of his Majefty's Maim
The Duke of BIDFOID faid, that by the
, their Lordthips were not called upon to fufpend
the rights of his Majefty's Cubic& for a time, but
&dually to deprive them of their rights. His Grace
complained of the manner in which the Committee
bad been formed, nor did be think, from their Re- I
pea, that matters had been fully inveftigated.—
His Grace expretkd his forrow for the murder of
Lord O'Neil, &c. but thought that the meafnres
which had been adopted, had tendency molt fatal
to the peace and pro(perity of the country.
Lord TN o a tow was of opinion that the laws of
the land, if coolly and Readily adminiftered, were
of themfelves fufficient to reprefs any attempts of
(edition or treafon againft the Rate, and therefore
did not fee any necetfity for a meafure fo ftrong
and revere as the prefent Bill propofed. &fides,
it did not Rate any reafon but eepedismoy; this
furely was not enough to juftify Admisibotiao in
depriving men of a fair and ilniartiel trial. which
the laws of England allowed. 14e had beard much
of confpiracies and infurreftion; thde, the Bill
did not Rate, and be did not know where op look
for them. Petitions had been frequently prolioned
by perfons confined under the late Mt, proplog
for a trial which they could not obtain, and thhhe
deemed a ftrong prefumption of their innocence.
He had not only expreired himfelf in terms of com-
paffion for thole unfortunate men, but fincerely
felt for them under their grievance. The fyflem
that this Bill held out, was a fyftem of governing
through (pies and informers, a race of men, whom
everyhiftorian, from the' clays of Tacitus, the Ro-
man writer, has clehribed in the warmth and vi-
gour of their imagination, as odious, feandalois
and infamous, and who degraded the laws by mak-
ing then: fubfervient to the befell purpofes, by
opprafing the innocent, and confounding all dif-
flinaion between the innocent and guilty. He
objeeted to the power that this Bill would pars into
the bands of Minilters, from its tenct:ncy to de-
grade and debafe the heart of man, who is infen.
hbly, bur rapidly, corrupted by its abufe and ea-
ercife. The Bill, he thought, fhould not be in.
definite in its term of duration, becaufe it fhould
not cut off all hope of rcdre(s from the aggrieved.
Were it for a year, and during the year, fuch a
limitation would check many el the :tholes which
mutt neceffarily fpring op under it, and hold out
hch relief as may at lean be expeeted under the
preffiire of the leveret necaLty.
The Earl of ROSILY!, (poke at length in defence
of the meafure; and contended, that the public
,interat required the fources of government infor-
mation fhould be kept fecret, as they were thereby
enahcd to defeat the future machinations of the
diftaffeaed focietie%. With refpeet to the charge
of berth treatment to Losd Cloneurry, he allured
the kioufe that he had a letter from that Noble.

for their good and humane treatment of his fon.
The quellion was then put; on the motion of
which the Houle divided—Ayes 40. Proxies to.
—Noes 14, Proxies 7. For the Bill 50—Againa
it U.—Majority 29. Adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The Co !italics Allowance Bill; the Public Boards Printing
Indemnity Bill; the Land Tax Redemption amended Bill; and
the Dublin Society Bill trim read a third time and pared.
The Public Noun ies Bill was taken Into further coofsiera-
lion, and ordered to be read a third time to-morrear.
Mr. Bin nno t brought up the R court of the Conernittees re-
betive to the execution of the Arneriun Treaty in Ireland ; and
Me the Bounties on Corn imported into Ireland, which went fee
verany reed and agreed to.
• Mr. Bawoos moved for Willett, bring in a BM im allow the
balding of Rum imported-Into Ireland before payment of duty.
Leave given.
A Bill for granting Bounties net Silt imported; a Bill for con-
tinuing certain Laws relative to the Siberia ; a Bill for repeal-
ing the old and impoung new duties on Statue., Marble, and
fcuiptured Stone Imported; and a Bill for is:spotlit( canal*
duties on Playing Card. imported, were feverally perfeneed.
raid a Aril time, and ordered to be read a fecond time to-mor-
row ; and alfo a Bill for repealing certain duties on kith Mien-
tnts, to he reed., fecund time on Monday.
The Infolvent Ochres Bin was taken into further confider-
atton, when fomeconverfation arch rdathre to the Chide ex-
cbdiageermin paeans in Ireland by name. Were= Mr. Stu-
ll! DA N, who &petal to it, and moved to Vane the further
conaderation of the Bill till Monday,- .Ti Mr.
ffitacsoa. and Mr. Coaay. Tbe motion cants. Sheath; was
negatived.
Oa the motion for the paling of the 818, Mr. Joints wilied
to propefe as Amendment, to l'obftitote the eft of janttary for
the aft of March, bra was informed by the Speaker it was too
late. The Bill was at length paired.
The frith Militia Pay, the kith Hop Importation, and the
frith Judges' Accommodation Bill, vivre reed a famed than, sod
.ordered to be committed to-marrow.
The Idhla Sugar Drawbeekdie Newfoundbnd 1416 imp*.
tion. the Letter of Marque, the Hoge Duty, the Bucheillter
Loans; and Vote of Credit Bills, were committed, and, oftia.
al to be reported to-morrow.
The frith Wheat Exportation, and tle7 King's Debts Reno.
very Bills were Reported. and Ordered to be read a third time
to-morrow.

CLERGY NON-RISIDINCE

Mr. MCClitsollaSseed the order of the day for
a Committee on tbe above Bill.
On the motion for the Speaker's leaving the
Chair,
Mr. &mow oppofed it, and read a quotation
from Jofeph Andrews, relative to the various avo-
cations purfued by Parfon Trulliber, for the par-
, pore of trawling the Bill before the Hoare, which,
be commie* went to make Parfon Trullibers of
I all the. Cl in the kingdom. He could not
ary
content to a .ow the Clergy to become Jobbers and
Farmers, nor could he content to difpenfe with
their refidmce. He was not fo hoililely difpofed
towards Common Informers, as foam Gentlemen
appeared to be, conceiving them to be not only at.
eeltary,but frequently thebenefadtors of the Public.
Mr. NicnoLis followed on the fame fide, and,
purcuing a fimilar (train of argument, ilikewife op-
pofed the motion.
Mr. Gasoot fupported the motion. He was
ferprifed to hear Gentlemen arguing relative to
'Clown= being rendered Jobbers and Farm",
apbes there iris nothing in the Bill that had any
dab tendency, and when they would hill be pre-
vented from hemming fo, except with refpe& to
their Glebe Lands. He thought it was at any rate
but fair that the Bill thould go to a Committee,
that the grievances complained of by the Clergy
might be fairly difcollid and examined. He was
well acquainted with inftances where
had been moil Wittily and unjufily - ca.
der the operation of the Bill, and be die
means at prefent in the hands of leibminers In
tiaras the Clergy, tended very ninth to die*
that refp!fiable body. .
Mr. HILWRIN3 BIOIVNI Paid, •that from the
fixeches of %me Honourable Gentlemen one
would have fuppofed every Clergyman was to be
ordered to be a jobber, and every law main
relidence to be repaded, The fait however ma,
that the duties of die MMiary would be mew
faithfully difcharged in confequenca of this IS.
He denounced common informers as the greatelt•
pelts of fociety, and thought every thing mould be •
done to difcourage them.—(A loud cry of luar,
'from the Oppofinon Bench). He mentioned feve- .
ral infiances of great hardlliip, and gave it as his
opinion that the Clergy were entitled to Foca:ion
from faits fo vexatious.
Mr. Susatoaw obferved, that it WOO • 1111111610.
fart, after what had patted, toemmbielblakilinnt
length on the grounds which fbialiosed tie
.4cdag
into the Committee. In fo forks agreed gnus the
Hon. Gentleman vibe bad Was= that fide of
the queflion. Thorn, eadte other lisiad,w=
ed the Committee, fastaid Weave 'MCa
the purport and &Bust tendency of the Da He
was peculiarly gratified with Tome of the Aim
tions which had dropped Ekes the la& 4aiokar. re-
lative to informers. Ha c hint on the
fair and manly manner inwhk execrated and. •
held up to merited infamy, die Meted chdli d
pen, known by the appellation of isfonas
jf at any former period the Ides. Gagianni
had appeared to him to entertain Ibribmeab of *
different nature, be was inclined to latribise k ra.
ther to mifapprehenfion on his part. than to any
inconfiftency in the comitta of that Gentleman..
Probably the • • , in this Mime, whisk.
,firuck his mad, from the Hon. Oat
dinnalef balls ' opeineadal ideas as
ii*t
'be lad dosiiraide evades i ,tall
iisiketamalteli retaken.. Oa diet pal=f
could he reconcile the rapport which dieHaa. Oar
deman had given to various immfuree, fettatied.
'Adel), on the reports and aireseleas of ideniserss
toad
ozre particularly the 'Bill lately paired (die .
Corpus Sufpenfion Indemnity 4111);which
threw a ferret and a facred veil over thikpraillims al
lilliwand informers. There was a fonts:thing pp-
alio* fingular in the manner in which thisisa-
vets had been taicen up and confidered. Gentleman
..proferal a great veneration for the clerical charm*
art. and yet, at the fame tine, delcribed the Clasp
es a fet of men, who only did their duty by ems-
putfion and who were ready to regret tbsir itm
ties, the moosent dry could rid
Lion. This, in his opinion, was a very
SOO ious mode of compliment. It certalwiedlit
at the Mini tiers of the Gofpal ins iblrand
eous light, and was a peon& Mlle dos.
y to be deprecated, what the midisieks
lon
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