Star.
London, England, 1823-07-03 00:00:00

THE LONDON BRILGE BILL.

Viscount MELVILLE moved that the Bill pro-
viding for the Rebuilding of London Bridge, and
making new Avenues and Approaches, to the pro-
jected Bridge, should be read a third time. He wished,
in this stage of the Bill, to amend that portion which
had given to the Lords of the Treasury the power of
superintending the erection of the new Bridge, al-
most without controul, and to divide this appoint-
ment with the City of London, who certainly ought
to be consulted in such a business.

E trl GROSVENOR took this opportunity to pre-
sent a Petition from some Architects and an Engi-
neer, who prayed that the Bill might not be suffered
to pass entirely in its present state.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY here observed, that
it was wholly out of order for their Lordships to en-
tertain the Noble Earl's Petition ; as a similetr one
had been presented the day before, from, he under-
stood, four disappointed architects who happened to
conic into full competition with Mr. John Rennie,
and who, unfortunately, did not approve of that ar-
chitect's plan.
Earl GROSVENOR was really not aware that a
copy of the same Petitiqr he now moved had already
been presented to the House, and rejected by Noble
Lord. But their Lordships must admit, from all
they bid heard, that the Petitioners in question were
most persevering men.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY—I consider it my
duty to move your Lordships, that this Petition be
now rejected by the House.
Earl GROSVENOR could discover no harm in
suffering the Petition to be laid upon the' table.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL would not ni this in-
stance, and for once, resist the receiving of such a
Petition. But while acceding to the intercession of
the Noble Earl, -he wished it distitictlY to be unsler-
stood, that should ever a 'etition so circumstanced
be again brought before the House, he would oppose
it, as loading their Loribhips' journals with an unne-
cessary weight. The Petition was, by sufferance,
laid upon the table of the House ; but the Bill, as
amended, was immediately read a third time.
JUDICATOR! OP SCOTLAND.

. The Earl of SHAF TESBURY now reported the
Scotland Judicial Commissioners of Inquiry Bill, with
amendments, to the House.

Earl GROSVENOR thought it desirable ko intro-
duce a clause, authorizing an inquiry iuto the office
of Lord Justice General of Scotland, in order to re-
form or abolish the same.

The Ball of LIVERPOOL ()Wetted to any new
clause tending to add to the most laborious inquiry
that ever had been imposed by any Bill. There was,
Heaven knew, quite enough for the Commissioners to
dn, who, besides, were requited to report the result
of the investigation, in part, so early as the sth of
March next.

After some remarks from the Earl of ABERDEEN
and Viscount IVlELvtut, the proposed clause wa
withdra‘‘n.

The Report was then agreed to, and the Bill ordered
for a third reading.to-morrow.—Adjourned.
HOUSE OF COMMONS. •

Mr. EVANS presented two Petitioni from the Inhabitants o:
lish and another village, praying for the abolition of Slavery
Mr. WILBERFORCE presented three similar AlaiollS
from certain congregations of Perth and Fifethire.—These Peti-
tions were severally ordered to be printed.
The London Docks Bill was read a third time and passed.
Mr. F. BUXTON moved, that there be laid before the.
H.uie copies of all Invoices of Medicines supplied to the Navy
for the five years commencing December, 1813 ; also a similai
Return with respect to the Army.
After a few words front Mr. Camels and Sir F. OXMANEY,
the motion was agreed to.
Mr. ROBERTSON presented a.Petition from the Masters,
Mates, and Seamen, of the.vessels now in the Port of London,
against the Recipro;ity of Duties Bill—Ordered to be piloted.
Mr. T. WILSON prisented similar Petition from the Ship-
owners of London.
After a• :w words from Mr. 11011EILTSON, the Cuaticattoa of
'the Exam:wee, and Mr. M.- A. Tarim., the Petition was or-
dered to be printed. •
Mr. SCA it LE.TT moved that the... Lancaster County Coasts
Bill be read a third time of Friday next.--prdtred.
Mr. AldCrrnao THOMPSON presentedfrop kilt I

hti.:WILITOT-110iRTON would, in the first in-
stance, declare -liits.intestien directly to oppose the
prayer of the Petitioner tis be-heard by Counsel.
Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH said, in'that case it
became, his duty to proceed with the observations
called for by the nature cl the clauses' complained of
in the Petition. The flon. Member then proceeded to
describe the growing orta rice of the Colony; the po-
pulation of which consisted of WAX) pertons; 20,000
of whom were free; 4,000 free settbers, 8,000 eman-
cipated convicts, and S,OCO colonial botn.children.
Of the 20,000 convicts he should 'ay nothing; but hi
thought the lierties of the 20,000 lice inhabitants
ought to he preserved to them as fully as to the inha-
bitants'of any other part of the empire. fl. begged
the House to cork ider, that he was now add:e,hing-
them in favour, of the 4.,000 free settlers tu.w in New
South Wales, and in favour of those born in the c:-
lony, who were unquestionably innocent, but who
.were outlawed by the present bill. There was a great
number of persons in New South Wales qualified to
act as Jurors. By the census of 1821 it appeared, that
time were upwards of 3,000 landholders in that co-
lony. Liut be thought that the Petitioners had the
best right to be heard against the clause in the Bill,
which gave the Govet nor the power of transporting
persons charged with treasonable practices on ailida-
vits, which he might always keep sect et. If such a
power were dangerous in England, in the itei y light
of liberty, what must it be in New South Wales, wheire
the Governor was far removed from the controul of
public opinion?' But the claim was Unnecessary; for.
the same power was given to the Governor in that
clause of the Bill, which enabled him, in cases of dan-.
ger, to meet that danger by the enactment of tempo-
rary laws. He thought tluit the law was an obstacle to
the improvement of the colonies, because it would
tend to sink the value of character amongst emanci-
pated convicts. Lot there as another argument.
However they tr,i'4ln despise or afreet to feel contempt
for New South Vales, they must be blind indeedlo
all political con :ider ation, it they did not see that that
country would one day bee( me one of the greatest
and most powerful in the world. What then was the
effect of this Bill? It was to sow dissension amongit
the people—it was to encourage political rancour
am ngst different classes—it was conferring a badge
of distinction on one party, arid a mat k Of degi adat ion
on another, which Might in a future age be produc-
tive of the worst consequences. The Hon. Mem6er
.then moved, that the. petition be brought up; intl,
mating, cilia after the usual motions had been gone
through, be would move that the Petitionerhe heard
by Counsel at the bar, on nicht>, next, the dity
poitred for the third reading of the Bill.
Mr. WILMOT-HORTON said, that the Pea-
•tioner 'was not really the agent of any of the
classes of people in New South Wale;. •Ile had.
been sent over for the very purpose of poem-it'.
this Bill, and he had now sliewir his gratitude by •
vilifying the very measure which be had been
over to procure. If the lit:ie.:ratable Gentle-
man asked. him why the Government had adopted;
this Bill, he would atiVAer, that in the first place they
had been guided by the Report 4,f the Commissioners.
who had been sent over to Isiird South Wales. "The'
Hon. Gentleman, after noticing the objections made •
by the Hon. Member for Kr atesborongh, said, that
net should oppose the motion for heaping Counsel—a'-
motion against which the Ilon. Member had himself
furnished an argument,. because no Counsel could
suggea arguments more eloquently or forcible than
had been dune in the speech if the don. Gentleman.
Mr. BRIGHT s Ia: it mil eted•nothilig to him
in what character the Petitioners came before the
House ; it was enough for him that they were Colo-
. nists, and as such were entitled to attention. He con- •
sidered that many of the convicts, when emancipated,
enjoyed much of that high feeling which belonged to
the country in which they had bet n brought ope The
provisions of this Act appeared to h m to bear a great
relation to the arbitrary tegulatit ns of India. His
wish with regard to the Colony was, to unite and
amalgamate all classes of the people, and he believed
that nothing could contribute mote effectually to
unite them than the institution of Trial by Jury.
Mr. MARRYATT said that he had read the Bill
with pleasure, because he lead any Bill with pleasnte
which gave...anything like a Constitution where ar-
bitrary power had betme prevailed. With regard to
the Trial by Jury, he thought that much might be
said on both sides; and it was because he considered

himself incapable of judginp at present that he wished— •
Counsel to ne'heartl at the Par.
away:rt:neide
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Commissioner Bigge,
' Mr. FORBES supported the prayer of tioktetition.
breehencilnasuesettedfu,rontatkhiengopinio6
of
• iulf:lttrite°PP°6r aintitr-Bltioght!'aendrecht°smilt,
quarrie. He must repeat> tlt.it Iltr.• Commissioner
diggehsad shewn himself a most uhfiii,uson fur his
brnisktyment as'a Commissioner.
Mr: Ii.COLBOILNE could'aot It fraitalrbm making' • ,
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oneinl:lt9 ahlfrvAtioasStpon thireztramtlinary speech
- of the Holt. Me_npher who had just sat down. He had,
most unjustl,reWnuiated.ike character of Mr. Com.
missioner‘Bigge, who he verily believed was a most
kind and honourable person. He had not been tent-
to that Colony for the mere purpose of eulogising the
'government, but of finding fault where blame- In
fairly to be imputed.
Mr. FORBES e:iplained that be had no personal
knowledge whatever of Mr. Bigge.
Mr. R. COLBOItNE explahted.
The Petition was thca read.
Sir J. MACK iNTosii skid, that he should rise to
move that Counsel should on Friday next be heard at
the Bar of that House against certain clauses of the
Bill. The discussion had certainly been carried for-
ward with much animation, and with a feeling highly.
creditable to those engaged in it. The two Hon.
Members who bore a share in that discussion had with
the warmest zeal advocated the character of their ab-
sent friends.—He believed that both were deserving
of eulogy. Colonel NI acquarrie be well knew merited
it; and it was his belief that Mr. Commissioner Bigge
with whom-be was not personally acquainted, was
just as respectable and deserving. The only question,
however, upon which the House had to determine
was, whether the motion now before the House was
not deserving of consideration? Were the provisions
of that Bill, which subjected the great majority of
the inhabitants of New South Wales to transportation
at the pleasure of the Governor, so manifestly just
and convenient as that the Petitioner should not have
an opportunity of being heard against them? (Hear,
hear). If the House refused to do so, he must ever
consider that determination as one of the most flagrant
and aggravated deviations from justice that had ever
come within his recollection ; he should enter his pro-
test in the most unqualified reprobation of such a re-
fusal of justice. The lion. and Learned Gentleman
concluded by moving that the Petitioners should be
heard by their Counsel against the Bill on Friday next.
Mr.WILMOT-1101tTON observed that as iewould
hereafter be in the power of the House to modify the
inconveniences complained of when the Bill came
before a Committee, he could not perceive the slightest
necessity for hearing the arguments of Counsel on
the subject.
Mr. HUME wished to know if the Bill did not ex-
ceed the punishment intended by the law?
Mr. MARRYArf had every confidence in the
purity and intentions of the Colonial Secretary ; but
he felt that no possible inconvenience could arise from
hearing Counsel. If their arguments were refuted,
the Colonial Secretary could come down to the House
with a much better grace to ask them to• accede to
his proposition. •
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the
House divided.—The numbers were—
For the Motion
Against it

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60
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- Majority
On the gallery being re-opened.
Mr. MABERLY was presenting a Petition from
an. individual who had lost his school, Thomas
Hazard, of Queen-street, Edgewire-road. He tom-.
plained that be had been arrested on a false chisige:of
high treason, which led to the above consequence,
and for which loss he prayed reparation.
The SPEAKER inquired if the Petitioner asked
for money?
Mr. MABERLY replied, that he was disposed to
think that no such request was ini.ended.
The SPEAKER adverted to the terms "reparation
of Ms losses, making in the whole 2601." and asked
if it'did not imply a request for money ?
'Mr. HUME rose to support the Petition.
• The SPEAKER called the Hon. Member to order
until the preliminary objection was dispensed with.
Mr M A BERLY consented to withdraw the Petition.
MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.

A Message from the Lords announced that they
had agreed to the London Bridge Bill, the Capital
Punishnients Bill, and several private Bills.

SHIP SEQUIN.
Mr. BUXTON rose, in pursuance of a notice given
by. him on a former night, to move that certain pa-
pers explanatory of the capture of the ship Requin
should be referred to a select CoMmittee. He should
very briefly advert to the circumstances under which
the capture of the ship in question was effected. In
the year 1811, in consequence of a succession of vic-
tories, we became possessed of Bourdeaux. General
Beresford was the Governor, and Lord Dalhousie the
Deputy-Governor of the place. Mr. Commissary
Ogilvie was ordered to take possession of the ships in
the river, and he was accompanied by a Clerk of the
Governor. They had accomplished the object they
had undertaken, and were lemming home, when it
was suggested by the Clerk•that they should proceed
down the river somewhat further, as merchant ships
were occasionally stationed in that remote part of the
river. They accordingly proceeded to row down, and
came to an angle of the stream, where they perceived
two vessels lying, the one a merchantman, and the
other a ship of war. The latter was an English ves•
sel, and the former an American privateer. When
they hail azcertained that one of them was a ship of
war, they very naturally despaired of taking it; and
for the pre.xrvation of their own safety, they retired
behind a narrow neck of land, which was situated
near the privateer. They were not, however, stationed
for any considerable length of time• in this place,
before they ascertained from report that the number
of individuals on board the American vessel did not
exceed_ more than twenty, and Mr. Ogilvie deter-
mined to try the chance of making a prize of her.
To effect this object be had recourse to large pro-
mises, and eventually prevailed upon the boats crew
to ondert.ke this daring enterprise. They accord-
ingly boarded the privateer, and the seamen, believ-
ing that a. ,much greater force was near at hand,
yielded. The Captain, too, soon after came on board
and declared his intention. of surrendering.. The ves-
sel otas.bilought, into
.port, the act applabded by the
Governor. Arid subsequently praised by Colonel Pon-
sonby ais4 R..Arbuthnot, and even-by the Duke
of \Vellington.. .The Hi:n. Member. contended, that
under the circumstances Mr. Ogilvie was entitled to
some share of the prize, and in support of that opi•
Mon having cited several authorities, he moved that
the papers relating to the capture of the ship in ques-
tion should be referred to a Select Committee. •
Colonel KING said that he was on the spot where
the transactions alluded to had occurred, and tar 25
years had had the honour of knowing Mr. Ogilvie.

He assisted with him in the Peninsula; and if 'zeal,
v.eq
diligence, and love of imintry..were of any value,
.they weft possessed by him Itt,.iii .eminent degree.'
The Honourable Member here. proceeded to read a
laudatory letter from General Ponsonby upon the
high characterf Mr. "'Ogilvie, and..alsa.one from
General Stuart, puticulatly as to the capture of the
Jain, in the G.tronne. There was a similar letter
Toth Genera/ D'Urban as to the meritorious services
of Mr. Ogilvie during the whole of the Peninsular
war. He (Colonel King) wished it had fallen to some
abler hand's to advocate the claims of his friend ; but
he hoped they would not be lessened by his feeble-
ness. He only appeared before them for justice in
the case of a valuable officer. He wished no extra-

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vagant waste of money—he sought no compensation
for fictitious inventions—or appeared before them
with spurious claims like P7incess Olive; he came'
alone to obtain the reward due to merit. Ile was
persuaded that if the Government knew Mr. Ogilvie
they would not withhold from him that which was
his due. He hoped that the adage of might over-
coming right would not be realized in this case, but
that the individual's right would be conceded to him.
Mr. Ogilvie saw an enemy's flag, he brought it down,
and he should obtait't whatever emolument was at-
tached to it. Mr. Ogilvie had a large family ; but
that, perhaps, was not a consideration of a public na-
ture.. Yet he put it to the 1-louse whether a merito-
rious officer was now to be sent adrift and unre-

warded, after rendering so many years of service to
his country ? He had'heard, but he could scarcely
believe it, that this claim was opposed b 7 that most
illustrious Commander the Duke of Wellington. He
knew the high character of that great Chief, and .he
hoped Mr. Ogilvie would have his support. He
thanked the House for the attention with which they
had heard him, and cordially seconded the Motion.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
in opposing the motion he by no means wished to say
anything against the conduct apd merits of Mr.
Ogilvie as a Commissary. For that office and those
services be was paid, and the question here was, whe-
ther he, individually, was entitled to the full amount
of the capture of his ship ? When the capture was
made, Mr. Ogilvie was a Commissary on duty; there
was a British force of 10,000 men in Boardeaex ; and
besides, it was very clear that this vessel wasp in fact,
impounded. She was skulking to avoid detection;
and though Mr. Ogilvie had great merit for his ever-
' dons, still the vessel could not escape. Mr. Ogilvie
was entitled to nshare of prize-money according to
his rank as a Major in the Army, and he received his
fair proportion. All the various booty taken in the•l
Campaign was valued and estimated at eight hundred
thousand pounds, which was granted by Parliament
in lieu of all captures so made, and. Mr. Ogilvie had
'his share paid him. The question, therefore, was,
whether the Regain was part or not of the general
booty ?In a paper printed to-day there was a letter
from Mr. Ogilvie and Major Eckersley to the Duke
of Wellington, in Yuly, 1814, relative to the estimated
-Value of all ships, tocc. at Bourdeaux, amongst which
this very 'Reg= was included as farming a part of
the general sum, estimated at eight hundred thou- ,
sand ptitnias. ' SOme stress was laid upon the fact
that the Duke of Wellington allowed private indivi-
.duils private capture on some occasions ;but he (the
Chancellor of the Exchequer) had the copy of a let-
ter from the Noble Duke to Mr. Ogilvie, in which
his Grace stated he could not advocate the particular
claim of that Gentleman, except inasmuch as his
Commissiry's share, which he received. The Duke
denied haiing ever given any tight of private cap-
ture, and referred to General Orders in proof of the
fact. It was also picl that thf Duke of Wellington
admitted Mr. Ogilvie to have a claim for ten thou-
sand pounds; but beyond the assertion of his Grace,
that he thought Mr. Ogilvie a deserving officer, he
Laid no more, either at Totilouse or elsewhere, and
certainly nothing as to his right in the Requin. His
Grace said he would forward his views in his situa-
tion as CoMmisiary, but could not be guilty of such
an absurdity as to recommend a private individual'
to have the right of private capture. Lord Dalhou-
sie himielf, in his letter, to Mr. Ogilvie, considered
.the capture belonged to the army in geueral, and pot
to the individual who made it. If the principle of
private capture prevailed, there would be at once an
end to the discipline of the Army, as had been also
stated by the Duke of Welltngton. For thew reasons
he must oppche the motion.
Mr. HUME asked if the precedents mentioned by
his Honourable Friend (Mr. F. Buxton) really existed
or not? for if they' did, high as was thenuthority of
the Duke of Wellington, he still th9ught,it not a suf-
ficient reply to them. Mr. Ogilvie should have an
equal'share of justice with others •
The CHANCELLOR. 'Of the EXCHEQUER said
the precedents did not strictly apply to the case of
Mr. Ogilvie.' . . .
' Colonel DAVIES thought if private capture were
41lowed, that the discipline of the Army would be
totally destroyed. • •
Mr. F. BUXTON, in reply,
_admitted that Mr.
Ogilvie received a share of •primoney, . but it was
only to the amount ot 751. whereas Col. McDonald
received his share, and the ansouat of a private cap..
ture beside. It was insisted on by the• Right Hon. the
,Chancellor of the Exchequer, that Mr. Ogilvie until
lately had not considered this vessel as his property.;
"but he (Mr. Buxton) would rest his case upon the re-
Verse. Mr. Ogilvie paid the 'prize-master for the ves-
sel for four years ; libelled her, as the term was used,
By his attorney here (Mr. Potts), and lent her to the
Due d'Angouleme, who was then at Bourdeaux.—
Surely then, under such circumstances, at least the
rbpute of ownership was in Mr. Ogilvie. The au-
thority of the Duke of Wellington was certainly very
great, but it must be considered that his Grace was
two hundred miles distant irom the scene of action.;
if be had been nearer he would have known that Bri-
tish soldiers had not assisted in the capture of the
Aequin; Mr. Ogilvie having, in fact, employed
French sailors toegept it. The Hon. Member con!
cctuded by moving to refer these papers to a Select
i.
ommittee.—Strangers were then ordered to with-
diaw, and a division took place:
For the motion -
. Against it -
Majority -
.DA RON O'GRADY..
On the readmission of strangers to the gallery,
Mr.S.Rtca was addtessing the House,, but from the
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'riseo N
ccasioned by their return s opening observe-
tunis ionlititot be gathered. *Whin the from nem-

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bet.eoidd be hear& he was understood to say be ns,:
most anxious to-bring on the further discussion- .on
the. Reiohitions respntlins Bxon 1111:Grady,, as delay
had been charged to him, which should not fasirV be
imputed to him ; he was anxious t6.proceed.
The CH A NC ELLOkt of the.EXCH EQUER wished

to open his recapitulation, which he hoped could not
last very long, and therefore felt that the Hon. Mew-. 1
ber would not think him wrong if he pressed his motion.
Mr. S. RICE would not detain, the House ten mi-
nutes, if he was allowed to proceed. If the Resolu-
tions were now postponed, they Could not be brought
on during the present Session, and he put it to the
candour of the Right Hop. Gentleman, whether such
a course would, under all the circumstances, be ad.
visable?—(Cries of" Go on !" and " the Chancellor of 1
the Exchequer").
Mr. HUME said, that but for the understanding
that the Chancellor of the Exchequer was to be heard
at an early hour this evening, he would not certainly
have deferred his motion. He wished the Right
Hon. Gentleman to go on. •
Mr. HUSKISSON said that be gave way on a
most important subject, which also stood for to-night,
in order to make room for his Right lion. Friend the

Chancellor of the Exchequer.
. THE BUDGET.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
the Order of the Day for the House resolving itself'
into a Committee on the Exchequer Bills 8113- .
Mr. S. RICE said he felt it his duty to move that
the other Orders of the Day should be read.. •
Mr. MA BERLY hoped his Honourable Friend.
would allow the Right Honourable the Chancellor of
the Exchequer to proceed.
Mr. S. RICE left it to the judgment of.the House
whether he should press his Resolutions now or waif.
Perhaps the best way would be to let the business
•proceed in its ordinary course ; and if the Right-Hon.
Gentleman should not occupy much tithe, he (Mi.
Rice) could proceed this evening. . . • -
Mr.CANNING thought the better course would
be, that his Right Hon. Friend should now proceed
with his statement, which he had every reason tOsup-
•pose would not occupy much time; and after that
he had no doubt the Honourable Gentleman could
ithovehis Resolutions.
The Order of. the Day was then read, and the
'House resolved itself into a Committee of the whole
House on the Exchequer Bills Bill. •
1. The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER felt
on every account the proptiety of compressing the
Observations which he had to make on the present
'occasion into as narrow a compass as possible. He
itnew how much the House had been fatigued within
the last two weeks, and he might himself say, that,
individually he had experienced the full effects of
that fatigue. He should, therefore, proceed with-
out further preface, to lay his statement before
the Committee. As, at an early period of the Ses-
sion, he had explained the situation in which the
finances of the country stood, and the course of
measures which his Majesty's Government intended
to recommend to Parliament for adoption, and as
he had since been enabled by the house to carry
those measures into effect, he should not at present
repeat any of the observations which he then made.
—At that time he stated what was the aggregate
amount of the Revenue, and also the aggregate
amount of the expenses of the nation. Now, bow-
ever, he should take a snore limited view of our situ
ation, and confine himself to a recapitulation of the
Votes of Supply which had been come to in the course
of the Session, and the Ways and Means which Par-
liament had provided to meet that supply. He stated,
at the commencement of the Session, that the total
amount of the supply would be about 16,600,0001.—
Gentlemen, however, would now find (from the
Papers laid before them) that the supply exceeded the
above sum by 2or 500,0001. ,He should, he trusted,
be able to account satisfactorily for that excess. It did
not occur in consequence of any increase in. the esti-
mates for the Army or Navy or the Ordnance, but
the whole had arisen under the head Miscellaneous
Expenses, and the items which caused it were such as
had not entered into his contemplation when he before
addressed, the House on the present subject. One of
these items was a vote of nearly 60,0001. for the Sta-
tionary OffiCe. This vote was in consequence of ar-
rangements which had been lately made for supplying
the Public Departments with stationary, and which,
though •attended with an extra charge at present,
would afteravardssconduce to great economy. For-
merly each Department provided itself with what-
ever stationary it thought necessary, but an alteration
had been made by which no stationary was to be. far-
nished but according to particular samples approved
Of by the- Sationary Office, and by that means the
tOtal expense (which antecedently was divided among
the different Public Departments) would come under
one head. Although,.therefore, an increase appeared
at present in the expense of the Stationary Office, there
would be 'a corresponding saving in.the expenses of
aP the Departments under•the head of Contingencies.
''he full advantages of this alteration would not be
felt this'year, on account of the Navy and Military
Departments having provided themselves with sta-
downy before the new arrangement took place, but
year'the-Pubiic would derive considerable be-
nefit from it. Another item, which be had not antici-
pated at, the commencement.of the Session, WAS the
grant (or his Majesty's Library. There was also'
40,0001. for the Harbour of Dunleary, and 15,0004
fin- facilitating emigration from Ireland, which not
!king contemplated at the commencemeat of the Ses-
sion, had the effect of increasing the amount of the
supply, by the sum already stated. It was, however,
'satisfactory for him to be able to inform the Com-
mittee, that although there was such an increase in
die supply, there was more than a corresponding in-
crease in the amount of- the Ways and Means. The
whole. of the supply now amounted to 16,976,7436.
:11e way in which these expenses were met was by
three millions, of what in the printed papers were, by
ithistake, termed annual Malt Taxes, but which were,
in reality, duties on Sugar and other articles. Then
there was the Lottery. 200,000/. and 126,8731. repay-
,nsent by Exchequer Bill Loan Commissioners.—
' Next was the amount of Naval and Military Pen-
sions, 4,800,0001. andpoppot. to be paid by the East
India Company, on account of half-pay and pensions.
This item he wished to shortly explain; •and in doing
so he had great pleasure in stating, that the East In-
dia Company acquiesced in the arrangement, as one
perfectly equitable. It appeared 441 than perfectly.
reasonable, that as they had a large poition of the

British army employed in protecting their *territory,
'‘hey should become liable to some phrt of the Lau- pay
and pensions with which the country was chargeable,
on.account of the army. These was some difficulty in
fixing the fair proportion which the Company ought
to pay, because many of those who Were- pensioned,•
or put on half-pay, while their *regiments w ere lathe
lEast Indies, might .hawe becomeentitted to thosepea.
lions, or to half-pay, before they had gone to that
pauthe w0:141..—..1.1e thought, bowel:gar, he rdigke
safely-07, that the arrangement ultimately cencJaded
was.bothinst as, it regarded the Public, and liberal*
it regarded the Bast India Company. They had agree 4
to pay mom° ayear, which at present he had taken
credit for in the Ways. and Means, but whetheranti:
ther disposition of that sum should not neteafter be
Made, as, for instance; whether like the amount re.
ceived for old stores, it should be deductedifi orb tytt
expense of the army only—he had not - yet decided;
The sum, which anderthis head he had now to apply.
as Ways and Means, Was £9o,ooo,Lia consequenieof
the East India Company having consented to etas.
mence their payftents from May, 1822. The next
item was a surplus of Ways and Means of 1:469.W
not called for by the expenses of past years. Tint'
was also a surplus 'on the Consolidated rood of
£8,760,000. lt was a long time since a Chancellti
of the Exchequer had it in his power to include a Sur:
plus of the Consolidated Fund in his Ways and Neaps
( hear, (rear, hear!)—and certainly it was very agree-
able to him, that in the commencement of his olaciay
career, that duty had devolVed on him, particu-
larly when the surplus amounted to so laige a sum.
The circumstance to which it was owing that so large
a surplus of the Consolidated Fund now ezisted, was.
the arrangement lately made with respect to the
Sinking Fund, by which the charge on that Fund
was reduced to its proper amount. In the early pan
of the Session he had stated, that the annual income
of the Consolidated Fund might be taken at forty-sit
millions, and the expenses at thirty-eight millions:
twenty-eight millions of the latter sum was for tbs,
charge of the Funded- Debt, two millions for the es.
penses of the Civil List and other charges, 2,800,000.
for. the payment of the Half-pay and Pension Annul.
ties, and five millions of Sinking Fund, which, witha
few small items,amounted in the whole to 38,500,000 E
A surplus thus remained of about eight millions, and
he had the satisfaction to 'say that, in making this
statement, he,had not taken as a criterion the receipts '
either of last year or of this year, but the probable re-
ceipts of next year, after .deducting the amount of
taxes repealed during the present Session. The re-
*sult of the whole was, that the Ways and Means fur
this year amounted to 17,385,9201. and, by deducts
ing from that sum the total amount of the Supply,
which was 16,976,7431. no lessa surplus than 409,1771.
would remain unappropriated, but 244,150/. ofwhith
it was intended to apply to the dec r ease of the Unfunded
Debt. He thought it a very satisfactory circumstance
(Hear)—that he was enabled to make such a state.,
ment to the Committee. It appeared to him es.
tremely desirable that something unappropriated
' should always remain in hand to meet untoresemt
emergencies, and that the Revenue should not be
pared-down exactly to the expenses of the country—
(Hear). He might also observe, that owing to the late
alterations in the distillety laws, he Kadin the fore.
going statement calculated on a loss of Revenue from
spirits; he, however, had no doubt but that del-
ciency. would be soon compensated by the operation
of the measures alluded to.—He was happy to say
that besides this a surplus' existed to meet the passing
contingencies of . the country. A large sum of as•
sessechtaieS had been lost to the Revenue. They were
now nearly two quarters in arrear, and three quarters
would soon be received and added to the sum now
stated, which would leave an additional surplus. He
said this for the purpose of chewing the House that
there was no reason to fear a defalcation in the amorist
of the approaching quarter. Perhaps it might not
be altogether unsatisfactory for him to allude to the
present state of the. Revenue, in order to ,hew that he
was justified in the comparison he had made of the
first half of this with the same portion of last year.
The account of the receipts in the first part of the pre
sent year, began on the sth of January, and concluded
on the 25th of June, while the account for the fiat
part of the year 1822, began on the same day and
ended on the sth of July, by which the whole of the
half year came into the account, and it was generally
known that the last days of the quarter were by as
means the least productive. He should satisfy di
House that the Revenue, instead of fallipg short, at
tually exceeded this year the produce of the 12111
period in 1822. In the Customs the account was-,
From the sth January to 28th June, 1823 - - AN,01:4,10
In Bills and Cash - 5e79,191
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