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. at it townidehreak ont,t6 soQna .114tanY thou- 1, iton: and t.49kiteJ Itetitlanatt frat *OW moderate
eof hroiestents were zintrdered on that occasion 'Olean any he had delivered _on former occasions, and
• The defeat ot Vinegar Hill, which subsequently given to -the public. ripen-those he
I d s'iertly alter, VMS accomplished as rode-•. lutist be altdivedhe 'Make some obsitheiasions. In one
Paa
eantly of the Martinis Cornwallis, as of any other'' of. those speeches, the Right Hon. and Leained Gen-
General remainieg in this country. such was the demon, in speaking of die shims oi his countrymen,
eat.- of tha nation, and so the English Miniatryo had said, " chat the whole of the Romaeists Of Ire-
wined to think, ter the first course they Adopted 'land had entered intoi'a clinspiricv to oiertnin the
oa;to send the Meretris etf Buckmgham and his lady . Government. rf Irelaird." In another part of the
to sleet pare of the I.7'elted Kingdom. The actions publicatioe, he said, Every' Cade lie is by cen-
use Cstholics in the Army and Navy were much science a traitor." There wens a repetition •of these
but the fact was, that opinions in all his speeches, and hehad reasoned on
desk ueon in pamphlets ;
rne helf, or more, col iected with each service from those opinions.' The Honourable Baronet would not
Irelanti were Protestants. A common seldier could impure to the Right Honourable and Learned Gen-
live better than a labourer, and this was a great in- tlernan any other motive-than a regard tor his coun-
iucetaeot to draw them from their homes. rite Ro. try; but he was most unfortunately at issue with the
Then Catholics. he would again repeat, had:a better laws, for did the laws authorise the acceptation 'of the
security thr their liberties than the peOple of any oath ? He had also said, " that the Catholics could
other country, not exceptioe France, Germany, or not amalgamate with the Protestants of the country."
Italy. They were not dragged by the conscription He had also stated, 46 that the priests represented
to the chains of a despot, but entered voluntarily ieto the Protestants as the living age -iv s of Satan- -as
the service. As to the Navy, nothing bet shipping estrays from Hell I"—[Dr. Duigenan here • :leak to
could breed senors. They called emancipation what order, and denied the assertion.]—The Hoeourable
be would call revolution ; for never, net even except- Baronet resumed, observing, that if he had not used
ing the revolution of 1 ranee, was there a measure the expressiiin, he was sorry ler having imputed it to
which would go so completely to reveiuriouize a him. But °within the last eighteen hours he had
country. Their numbers too might be considered in purchased the book of the Right Honourable and
anothar point of view. There were thirteen millions Learned Gentleman's writing, and the publisher
of Protestants in Great tritons, and could they be had ilifermed him that lie was authorised to de-
called upon to sacrifice the constitution of their coma elate, th it it was Dr. D iigenan's. He had in-
try to the wishes of two millions five hundred thou- troduced it not to throw obloquy, but for a better--
sand of the lowest orders of society. Even if the purpose—to shew that the doctrine of exclusive s tl..
theoretical opinions of Dr. Paley were adopted, had vation, was not construed by the Catholics in the
the majority allowed to decide the religion of the manner stated by the Learned Author. In so doing
State, the Cade lcs could not succeed. He alluded he should not descynd to die minor schoolmen, but '
to the sentiments of Dr. 'l'roy and Dr. Milner, and woad.' cfnatethe authority 'of Bally, Professor La-
the letter ot Dr. Coppinger to the Dubin' Society, roche, and of the highest of those authorities, St.
which he characterized as a most intolerant produc- , Austin himself, who recogpieed no other moa,ns of
'jun ; the foi !tier excluding,the Catholics from ail bitt salvation titan win the name of Clutter alone," and ;
Catholic Schools, and the latter prohibiting Catholic does.not exclude from the pale of Catholic Church
servants film attending Protestant prayers in their those persons who h are not received the light of the I
masters' hosts. s. He thin went on and quoted the ; gospel by s idulous application. The Honourable I
oath of the Catholic' Bishops, by which they were; Baronet then referred to various letters, (publ shed in
sworn to be faithful to Saint Peter, the Holy Church I a Morning Paper) under, the signature of " A Real
of Rome and the Pope, to defend the Royalty of St. Whig," etc. The observ.itions and arguments in there
Peter against al: men, and to contribute all in :heir , letters were repelled by the known declarations of the
power to augment 'and promete his dominion. The' See of Rome, namely, with respect to the dispensing
tempritary imprisonment of the Pepe afforded , doctrine and the depcsiisie doctrine ; they utterly de- ,
no reason for neglecting those circumstances.—He nied the assertion—that feith Was not to he kept with
(Dr. Duigenan) was represented as an enemy to heretics. These doctrines had been guarded aeainst I
the Roman Catholics, but he never was as enemy to land comprehended in the arrangements of 17:19 and I
them in any thing except the possession of political and 1805. He then alluded to the correspondence,
power, which he should always oppose. He next . which lei maintained lions authority with the See cf
adverted to the each administered to Parish Priem, Rome for seven years, in which he introduced the ex- I
by which they swore obedience to the Pope, as the; tinctiona f the order of Jesuits, once at the head of the
Vicar of Jeous Czniisaah Such, he maintained, were English, Irish, and Scotch Colleges ; the nate of al-
ehe oaths prescribed by their general councils, and legiance to be taken by the superiors, each nation
yet they calied for emancipation, or, in other words, having its Cardinal protector. With respect to the
tor an equal share of political atohori. y. 0,1 look- veto, he would refer to the Noble Viscount then at the
ingto the Becrees of the Lateran Council, which Dr. h, ad ot the Government, namely, in the reign of terror
Troy acknowledged, they would find, th it subjects as it waa c .lied, to hear him out when he stated, that
were permitted to dethrone their Prince, if he did not i the c„ pies which behad procured of the oeinions cf the ;
tsper heretics from his dominions. In the three t0:10w... hletropalit an Archbishops and the Bilops nes cor- ;
ing Councils they would find, that the same princieleg rect. They stated their readiness to accept the 11 .e..owance
were inculcated, and that oaths to Protestants, -s he- p, ,sed, and would upon every occasion of vacancy
reties, are not considered as binding. It was observe lin the Ep sei pal chair proceed to the eleat,on of a
that Protestants, were never disaffected to Catholic calidd tte, which candidate should be presented to the
'countries ; and the reason seas, that Proe stints were ! Goverament for its approval. Upon the ri jection of
liberal to all. As to:the lOyalty of the Catholics, he I the claims in 1808, a syn.,d was held upon the sub.
must say, that While bound in. allegiaoce to a foreign ! ject of the Veto, as propesedhy Dr. Milner; the ti!.
prince, he could only call them peaceable, not loyal. salt of their deliberation was net only that it was in-
—Such a jealiesy did Bonaparte feel towards t: e i expedient under existing circumstances; but in a con-
Clergy,
that he nominated every parish priest in terence which passed betwei '1 Dr. O'Reilly, Lord
France ; and what reason could be given why the iStiti erl end, and. Sir Edward Bellew, that opinion was
King of this Country ,should not feel an equal jea- I confirmed—they reprobated also certain publications,
lousy, dud insist on a similar nomination ? Pere. ns as tending to alienate the affections of heland. The
of the description of which lie was speaking, were Hon. Baronet then read an extract front a letter in a
more eilicgerons in a popular Government like this Morning Paper of this day, which contained charges
than under a despotic Monarchy. The Pope, after of a description which he 'conceived it his duty to nu-
alt that could be said, must possess a great share of fee in the House ; it was due, in justice to the feeling
temporal power arising 'out Of his spiritual preroga- and character of e individuals to whom the tette.
tives. Itinad been said, that in the case cf marriages applied, and the tense, when he read it, would ap-
they were subject to the .law of the land ; but sup- preciate the injurious tendency of the charges. The
posing every thing else to be granted, would not the I first charge, atter alluding to various alledged corn- ,
Catholics coniplata against that circumstance as an I plaints of the Protestants, says, " On the other hand,
interference with their religious rights ? It was im- not a syllable is uttered of the intolerant behavioer of
possible to separate spiritual from temporal power the Catholic Committee, and its satellites, or the le ist
even in Pagan Rome, and a man put in possession of allusion made to their recent publication and extensive
the secrets of anott.er by the confession of the Catho- circulation of tt Ward's Errata," the most intantens
lit, Church, must have an influence over human con- work ever p: inted." With respect to this passage. he
duct which would render their power of great int- must exonerate the Catholic Clergy from the charge
portance. of giving countenance to the publication. If the book
Sir JOHN COX HIPPISLEY said he should not was a bad one, the publisher was in fault ; for he
detain the House long, nor should he trouble them cheughc that to republish the w• tic would be benefi-
laithielenitig to any documents in support of his cial to him ; the names of most of the Members of
opinions. He admitted that. the Catholics were a maynouth College were not inserted with their ap-
nioority, hut they were a great minority, and should orobatic'n ; and 1)1. Trey wows" have used his ime-
.be attended to by that House. If the House would rest against the ptiblialliag of the book, conceiving it
ga into a Committee,liaa would he a preliminary an extr•mely injudici, ns work. As to the other
in.- In 1791, at thestotestance of the Empress of charge, which stated "'the present situation ef the two
Russia, the aa Is was modified, and assented to by Universities is I imentabie. The conduct of the in-
.th Wallops of Irelincl—tleie addition recognized the dividuels at the h• a,l ot them, in the course of this
morainion of the head the Catholic Chu, eh in tem- ecelc, must rove tiow etaateerous it is to admit men
P"al Patronage only, and furthet. tee Cath lies were into high and important ofli.ces, whose principles ate
tontine to swear alig arse of Great I3ri- ,o loose, that, for the I ertherance of party views, the
lain as the Stipteme Had of the State. *I he lion. utmost indifference is shown lay them to the fun-
1/41°"Vt here expresso.: I his leadiiress to give any Gen. damental principles ca the Constitution, and a mod
.11emanat fault fullinfermation Peon the subject, if disregard to the le:linos of the individuals they re-
the.,
House would agree to the naitton to ing ieto present." Now, Noble Baron who presides at
a Commitice, every deeurnent was at hard ler that the University allude,' to could not feel more indie-
purpose. With respect to what the Right Hon. and nation than he did at this unjust Attack ; but, with
t
e"rned Gentleman had urged as to the Council of respect to the other illustrious President, the extreme
Litertn, that Council was called by one of the most delicacy of the question, and the habits of intimacy
ainihtious Popes that ever sat in die Papal Chair; to with which he (Sir John) had lived with hint, did not
du Ct• 1;
I CII N•as invited and assembled Ambassadors lead him to form an opinion as to the bearing of his
om all the Christian countries, Sovereign Princes mind upon the questien ; but this he knew, that his
attended in pet-sen ; the proceedings were of an tin- I Royal H•gliness had taken no public part in it ;he
Ihual length, seventy Canons were passed ; the two I also knew, the two Universities were -entitled to (seer-
kr- I were of doctrines, the rest ot discipline, hut they I rise their on n judgment, and if they chose, to peti- I
:sin Lot to have operation but in those states where *don the House on the earliest opportunity. As tol
Ny troold be canonically received, censequeutly 1 Cambiidee, he had ascertained that the Bishop of
12:et' were not entitled to much wt ieht. What was I Bristol knew slatting of the Petition on Sunday, it
cite situation of France as to that Council, and the was voted on Monday, and on Tuesday was sent up
...ounce of Trent ? The proceedings of these Coun- express to the Chancellor. The Honourable Baronet
ails tiers not received by France, isechuse they were then took a retrospective view of the conduct of the
of heaths to the Civil Government T..e testimonies Catholics, from the reign cf William the Conqueror
a lattlaew
Paris, a Benedictiee Monk, and of Pla- upwards, during which the power of the Papala
concourse of
the former had said, T I eat there was a great Throne in England had not been recognized, and;
persons assembled at the Cowl cil ; conclu led with voting for the CoMmittee.
zu4brutings were treated of, but nothing, decreed." Dr. DUIGEN,AN, in explanation, denied some of
The object to the Pope was to
heget movie}, and teeney : the opini'ms attributeet to him.
Pope Gregory did not recognise these Ca-1 Mr. W. BANKS conceived the question lay in a
areas as legltlnate tliles. In later times, Of the came Very narrow compass. He -deprecated thategliariha
°Pll4°"' were many eminent divines, • particularly ' incensist ncy, which was generally Contendbd for, of
B•si
•'` P Hays the balance of authorty was cat dista- claireing'for the Catholics their natural rights as cid-
-1444 "le.Caunells. The speech of -the right atats, at a time when all the world was in aim

against this eonnt7T. 1in.1444/tett icFl
obis w4s the propet time far-renovating
•,ike-subtleakhymi,ts, it ma; prop? .tot
he State Crucible, and Mix op ingrilian:s w 1,1,11
might eventually explode, to the d'reet And mlnitest.
injury of the State ? Allusions had amen I:ecn m.tle
,ott-e valour of the Bt it;sh nrnyes, full of the hi.tve
men ,Aho tire the objects of th:sanotio Bat simil
!hey not Iblec.l ior :n spire f their clisquAirication,i
Would t'.ey no:, as became milted citiz.Ais of one cul-
pile, still c m.nue to win and wco the lama which
they so eminently were entitled to ? Woo!cl trey n t
still co-operate in tie cause into illicit they at tits:
embarked ? It three who suppinted the claims of
four millions of the subjects of the t miire thonght
they were fir ievrd, they need only look tu their con-
duct in the British strvice, and then congratulate
themselves that they were not at the ebb of their po-
pularity; Ana though they were a party wi;k:ut power
—they would, if their claims were conceded. be a
party wish power. In saying this, he did not mean
thereby to contend that having power tl.ey would
abuse it; but conces.i .ns might be fatally given.. It
was not from the muss th it danger wa, to be appre-
hended ;it was from the solemn inv. c iiien of intsl
it was not from the practice of the I{...mish Relig.on
that danger was to be feared ; but it aas well known
that the element tire is g, a good servant, but a bad
master" having once the ascendency, twist be guarded
against—having no con;roul, it was not t' be fearq.
He was not d.gposed •ci retaliate! upon the Catholics the
sins of their 1. retathers, but ha wI, for restr:cting
them. Certain doctrines which they maihta;ned might
in their evil tendency have been w,aggerateti,lie migl.t
apply the lines of the P ..et

.
L seiii fiirioti r ;me"; in tl.. e tVtis; et iihratpat Willi
• t ' •
deer. ought • net to be sfilected as pro i.i :4: .Ire'.l ri=
tatiOh r r the iihrstitin. tilt lb it the Cit.h: i r.. rhos.
A
wait with :pat trice rot i pen i cl of ire ce and traelor e i
lily, who. alchre :11 it de /lards cot'l; b etierti r.te if
teeighee pd. cons; lered, tad vhon, tf 'it .31. a•Liettste:
in the Crhieltetion might with witty iso ot htlee At
Pnieat 115 4.;m:hl adopt the principle .. f't :., C.-ffsti:
tiition as fitz:e.firnehrther ks wherel yh. si 'ld Ift. teeirlri
in stemng The se..sel of the tit rte thicertettite ambled
4*-:11.,,r), ik!r: ..
. At-. V:•.,: =Sr, c,n.,...nd,a; il at the Lcsiesrei .'tit:
tlenianhvllo r'hi jii‘t sp,keil w .s ',eh. mike su i.. iced
in his estimate et • the rect-al ci .skit of .the .eri .dlei
:ind lower classes Of :11... Lis') people P.e.. Learaeif
Dochhh tab() had uplie i to tie -,petsh n ilie• II "e;ltt
Hohourable M. ver o; the ch,estien, had. bzeis'irery
grand in etehtini• g the to lets or the Roman Catholic
Religii n•.; het lie pin it to the Learned I.lhetteh
whether, if ii. ItoneenCath.le Decree. mere to c‘(rfe;tl
the thirty-nine hitieles, lie (1)r. Dhigenarr) Wofilti
he vasty williiiA to recline such an int rprertirei ?.
In wlikt .I.eteeilTle...A .1.1 ar►1 ; 6 I Whereat lad arpliffeel. API
Learned Doctor hot tried his tiand atirony. the Use
of which treeiretha good encer ; but the .Leeemed
Doctor seerrirret in,ensiLle to I.ix want ef. sttceisss hi
did not shriek at the recoil r f his o ;.cam ; astelorroi
" Pk, box. anft gall, y,•in crilf J.ion 1114'1, . •..
" He rec:lunnioed amid a bursting weueee'
It had been recently c• P.:ended test the seivice of ill*
State suffered hot urinate:fully' fit It the remairring.
exclusiens r f the Cash slits. tut the tact was, fleal
they ...ere richt:led in m above 600 legal and civil
or.ices ; tr.re ahnve ..'tX)i) mimic pal situations; did
trim all :he higiicit mint in th %tiny and navy..
The House le.d receot;y been shiuted with stmt%
which, trouph highly geatifyit.ey had fhr ei mei few
years past thit been uriu ti-1. ilhe.,frint of Me PO
and naver guk: for Ike re ivre of Barfrjos.o Let
the Ho .se co nlemolale tl,e Irish othEnesistr Officer
who first moulted thee br;rach, and there Planted
B!hish flag Who chute' el ny to rich a brave 121 I,
a super r commksion ? And 'tan he should prota
to be a Catholic. lie cod I receise no such revedid
for his great val ur and sisrvices ; al-.hongh if it we
rte
Portuguese Officer if the s emearetiginn by whol&n
the achievement was performed, no obstacle wit*
' I:revent his lemming the I.k.rimes which his teal writ*
galiai.try had deserved. Lord lVellini,ton himself
was an Irishman: It was to the imm..rt el hove)r dr
frel.rn I that he was so. Superior in disinterestedoeis
to the N hie Duke who had tinmaly hell the molt
distinguished raek in the n.ilihery annals i.e cteie
Britaur, he was nevoid to him, not so tersein An
is in time. If Lord W. had b .en a Catholic, he an .
trobably have.remaihed in Ireland in the comma
of a Company. He would have Leen cmp!mt:vd in
taking ate iiliCit still by storm instead of Bedaj..t...a.
It lie had atthined h Weller r ink, and had ven:u ed to
this country, he would have been sulject to a fine d
IESOO and to the 141eiture of his curnmiseinn. It
had been said, that se i hou: the ode there wtaild be
no controul over the nt miration of the Bid, pt. Whitt
cootroul wAt them now ? If the Catholics were lIIP ,
piled to be disloyal (which there eras mit. the let*
rea.,on to suppose) they n.ight be mush more eiell,
so at-present thin if their claitet were grarite d to
thein. Tee ll'str re of the Catholic claims was MANI
interesting. Of his Majesty lie was unwihilig tit
smelt., but will all the tidcacy erd le:rect.:duff tf.
his Misfortunes and hiss irtu:s. But certah,ly it was
unfortunate ilk it the opinion of an individual, vri o for
the last twenty-five.yeats bad beets subject to the itos
casiunal visitat.iovs of that calamny, .ut.ths whit:: le
was to be feared that he flow permaiiently laboured/
should have had the. weight which it VI bib kno-sn tb
have bad oil the considet.hon of the Cathelic Quest
tien. That day was past. The time was attend tte
which the Catholics, however loyally attached to
their Sovereign, look, at forward with a aiiiiriew ex.
'secretion of Whig relieved !roil use d s.hitit.as of
which they had s lean{ complained. I-le would ab.
stain, becau'e he lotow i.e ought to abstain, fells
alluding to the opinions of the Piitue Regent. Of
the ae wed o; ihions of his toy al Highness the Prince
of Wales he' had a right to speak. The Catholics
sve'e twist cerainly ent tied to expect from those
(pinions, lot ecrli.the that his Royal Highness ..e..oid
use that peisoeal influeitee is thcs ft vuiir which hi,.
Royal Faber hid used against th..iu, but that at
least his Ro al lii,thness would h.:ve given them
the glance of a fair consideration eh their l'ehti rn,
which it never could have while t' e itigl,t Hon.
Gaitlenhen hposite was at the h. ed of the Admi-
nistration. He was as little interes.el as any man in
the over brow of tie present Ministry. U.:ques-
tion:Cale no one could approve mitre than he did the
conduct of his two Nubie Friends in the other House,
in refusing the offer which, at the su:gestion of the
Right Henourable Gehtlem tn, had been made to 1
them, and made with the app trent ie.pression that
'it must be rejected. To accept high situ etions in the
j State, was no sin ; bet to aaept th:m tehier the
1
1. existing circumstances of the Government, sr,aid
I havoc been, on the part of his Noble Friends, to s.n
against all consistency and honourable feeling. '1 he
j opnion, however, ot, such anhti::•:sle individual asi
himself, of their • conduct, was hula important
either to thins or to the public. But it he had,beeti
a person of illustrious birth, and placed in hnizatted
1 situation in the State—it the desti .ies of the country
had hung on his conduct—if in etiu9 he lead cepte site! ,
his approbation of the refusal of those Noble-Lords
to accept 'office—if at the present eetiod; on a sisnib
lar refus..l proceeding from therm Noble.Lotils,fisiiaL
'ded on similar masons:he had withdrawn trotn. the:li
his approbation—hoe :ever certain intereste:d indleri.
duals might exult in the circhmatancelaithough they
conid not hope long to enjoy tne . fruits of it); fed .
s:,ould not expct that the c“itntry at •laize would be
very solicitons about firs opiniun on me Catholic,
or any other subject, or that they would ease whe.
tiler cr not he had a y t.pinion at all. The Right
Hon. Gentleman opphsue had exerted himself in egg'?
possib.e direc:ion to till up the chasm be Administra•
cloth which these circionstances had coccatoncil. His
applications had been infinite. The Right tioehceell
ueman might say with the Poet,
-- I.lr-' •

"Some truth there is, though ruled with dirt it
"To ple.wetbe f.,1 ma puzzle all the wise."
At one period the Catholics wete willing to allow the
Veto. Now they were not. What! was there a sort
of compound interest to be exacted on the delay in
granting them their claims ? bear, Ircar.)—
te attributed no improper motives to the Gentlemen
opposite. They no doubt considered the cause which
they had espoused to be the right one ; but surely it
witild be unwise in the }Luse, by acceding to the
motion, to raise hopes which must ultinsa e!) Ue dis-
appointed. 'I lure was far from a distinct understand-
ing arno g the middle and lower orders in both coon-
" tres. While the English peasant dreaded he knew not
w:iiit under die n•ane 01 Popery, thelrish peitsAntda;m•
ed he knew no: witat'under the name of Emancip-ti,m.
Feeling as lie did the dangers attendant on the props)-
! scd concessions, he must vote against the motion, un-
less he were convinced that mankind were so chang-
ed as to render ad retrospect useless, and all expe-
rience vain.

Lord BINNING argued in favour of the motion.
A full particip.,tit in in all the benefits of the Consu
tution ought not to be refused toany classuf the people,
unless it cculd be strewn that the grout was attended
with danger. The Catholic question gained strength
year after year. The mist was falling trum the eyes of
the people of this country. Public ocenion was much
divided, and this was a sufficient ground for an en-
quiry into this very important subject. The test laws
were not the laws of the land. They were an inao-
vation on the Constitution, called fur by the necessity
of firmer times, and left to posterity to be modified
or annulled as circumstances miglit demand. The
French Revolution, founded on pr;ncip!es of infide-
lity, had rendered Popery innoxious to this country.
experience manifested, that Catholics were not averse ;
to liberty ; for to whom did we owe the greater part 1
of our existing rights and privileges, but to our Ca-
tholic ancestors ? We had conceded tau much to
the Catholics to stop. Were Mr. Pitt living, he I
would support the motion. Mr. Pitt knew human
nature better than to suppose tat a Catholic Bar.
rater veouht be content..sithout being allowed to aspire
to the Bench, a Catholic Captain without being per- !
'Dived to indulge the hope of commanding an army,'
or a Catholic c.;entlenran with returning his Pro-
testant neighbour to Parliament ? Were the princi- •
ples of the Catholics hustle to the Censtitutitm ?
Why had air, of their claims been wattled ? Were
they no; husti.e? Why v. ere net all granted? E
the present conduct of Parliament was .t censure upon
the past, or the past was a censute up u the pr.:scut.
By the leiaxation which had already taken plate,
mucli.improvement had been made both in the cha-
racter of the people, and on the face of the cite itiy.
W.s not that an encouragement to go on ? some
thotiglit they foresaw great danger to the Protes.aut
faith in granting the Latnolit.s tr.e.r rights. He bad
a better opinion of the Protes.ain faith : he thutti;ht
it founded on Scripture and reason. li it comet not
stand against Catholic logic, nut all the exclusive
tests that c. uld be devised %%quid secure it. He ap-
proved of the motion, because it pledged the House
to nothing but consideration. he loved the Cacho.
lies as comic! ymen ; he honoured them as freemen ;
and he looked forward with confidence to tile day
when they would be put in complete possession of
their rights. lie besought them, however, as they
valued their own interests, to continue peaceable and
loyal. If they did so, they would have his hearty
prayers for their success.
Colonel LEMON declared his opinion to be in
fav'.ur of an enquiry.
Mr. OWEN sa•d, his opinion always was, that
every individual in these realms should be alionted
the tree and unrestrained exercise of their religion.—.
The claims which the Irish koman Catholics no*/
made, however, he was sorry to say, were inadrnis-
sible. If the present claims were conceded, attar
demands must naturally increase, and in time they
might conceive the Protestant Lstablishment to be
unjust and imroiiiic—(hear, hear).—Religious
ruusittes would be renewed, ::rd no person could
foresee the result. It all the claims of the Cathulms
were conceded, lie cud not perceive that it would 1
be productive el any benefits to that body ingenera).
It was impossible that the C.,tilulics themselvei could
entertain expectations of ..ny gu.eral benefits. Ilse
higher situations in the State tut t..athulies were mo-
rally incapable of tilling.—(liear, luar.)—lf the go.
'ion was carried for the purpose of c.anciliating the
Roman Catholics, he was afraid it would not give
much satisfaction to the Protestants, as might be
seen from looking .at the Petitions which Len lay
upon, the table against tne Cl MOS of the Catholics.
The present situation of the Head of the Catholic
Church was, in his opinion, an additional rea:on for
not agie:inglo the Motion, because that Mute alum
milli be a ready instrument in the hands of tile enemy
against this Country. lie always %bourn the pet

But he
Gentleman
1 he cuncehsiun
been m.

dangtv,
liZ••*
by the

" Llrg'd by the awns, at any dom.' lota." -
!could not congratOldte the Rii;ltt H
email c ;he recruits which he h Zig
oncession of tne. ir rights ox-the Catnulas
rzsztucd into lognpcainnn ,pnegitant wsab•
to the tAtAtilsbalti Cittircifc U $4, he shimild,
laknua io suiti?rt ft. .C#lllletke.ti os,liftBt.
mast iiiiikits Life ofJ iity ae11,.t10119 te

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dignitaries of.thiitehureit! he was gheeessarily
em•wersant with the esteellence of its institutions, and
might perhaps be itcused of partiality in its favour.
VV healer 4'11'41111)e termed prijnellifin' OplaitlD he.
!tie* not iliktist:cetiaito thought. that no .Church
gfritAilisbnutrCatAl4,4}etter% fulfil the various pluposes-
aittfataiiaVoii, n inioici with more 'success the main-
' tedtate attitritry power •on the one hand, and the
difftesion of demoiratir opinions on the other. It was
therefore that he considered himself entitled to credit,:
when he asserted that- nothing cupid induce hlnt
to sokrari a-measure by which the safety of the Pro.
tesfunt establishment might b.; endangered. But con-
ceiving that *prosent proposition, while It Was in-
-o'ol4sosfa the Church; gave to the State that power
'uf tuAting and consolidating its strength, which the
usgencrtif the times imperiously deinanded, itshould
Neve his wirin and deiided sueporr. In fact, the pro-
lositiott was the most cautious and the most prudent
tinit could be Submitted to Parliament. For, unless
.tirere imitendechhat the consideration of the Ca-
'thelic Chinn should at no -tirpe take place, the ma-
itibn Cent not be opposed, stnce there soul(' be no
.shine prop* for that consideration is the pre.
*lntl. The trit*poly:of power might be 9rened
the tetbOAlcii. ka easily as the monopoly of the
"reistlndia..•tradesio..4e general merchants of the
• cienntizitl would not hesitate to say, that
the 'etnistion respect4ig the East-India Company's
Clititei, 'the' discussion of which Woulii, itirplre the
next'two months, even if it involved die lois of '
our Asiatic empire, was unimpoirmt, when net ht(
cOmpariSon with this iinportant Irish question. Let
'the House look at the state of Ireland—,thriving in
:arts, in agriculture, and (in spite of the Learned
Doctor) in population—a population willing to con-
quer for England, but demanding the just rewards of
conquerors. Where was the danger of concession ?
Unless it were rroved—nay, more—unless it were
proved that the danger of concession would be grea-
ter than the danger of refusal, the Legislature would
be no more justified in declaring, that the Irish Ca-
tholics should net be freely admitted into all the effi-
tee of the State, than tt.ey would be justified m de-
claring, that the army should not enlist men who
were six feet high! a proposition to which, he pre-
'tithed, even the Learned Doctor would not assent.
Did the Catholics really hold such barbarous doc-
trines as those imputed to them by the Learned Doc-
tor? Did they really maintain that no faith was'
to be observed with heretics, they ought not to be
allowed Participation in any civil right whatever.
.—But this was a most ' unfounded assertion. It

was tit charge the Catholics, not with superstition,
but with madness, to say that admission to the
Ccnstitution would not endear it to them ; or
that exclusion from it, would not render them cornpa-
ratively indifferent to its support. Innovation! It was
the Catholics wha had to complain.of innovation.—
In reign of William 111. they were excluded from
Parliament. In the reign of Ann, they were exclu-
ded from civil offices in consequence of the extens;on
of the Test Acts .to Ireland. Adverting to the Pe-
tition against the Catholic Claims, which had been
presented_ from the University of Oxford, he observed
that he.was a Member of that University ; and that
he was warmly attached to it from a residence of
years spent more, perhaps, in pleasure than to advan-
tage. • It afforded him much satisfaction to say, that
be was one of an immense majority of that Univer-
sity, who were not parties to the petition. The Unis.
versity.consisted of above ICUO Members—the per-
sons-who signed the petition did net exceed 100 in
number. Among the residents, the Vice Chancellor,
the two Proctors, and several of the heads of Colleges
dissented from the petition. He regretted extremely,
that from a place dedicated to the liberal arts and
sciences, any such narrow and irliber.l sentiments
should have proceeded. He trusted that the resident
Members cf the University, befc.re they again at-
tempted any ether partial and unannounced convoca-
tion, would consider the just odium to which they ex.
posed themselves : he trusted that they would hence.
forward occupy themselves in other punnits-.. •

ee juto.r sylvait =side mi quer:rt. vtrzr:Cr
fle, by no means, however, wished this line to be
translated as Pope had rendered it:— _ _

" And hunt lot truth in Maudlin's sacred Grove!"
because really there was no place in which he should
think it less likely to find trutl,-thin in Maudlit;
(A laugh.)
Mr. MARRYATT supported the motion, main-
taining that a heavy responsibility would rest upon
those by wham it might be opposed, and that no na-
tion 'was ever ruined by tolerance. •
Lord MILTON defended the lower and middle
ranks of the Irish Catholics from the calumny of
an Honourable and Learned Gentleman (Mr.
Owen),- who had asserted that they were •morally
incarable of filling high situations in the'State. This
was a country in which the meanest indisidual,
by the exercise of talents and virtue, might 'aspire
to the Most exalted dignities.. He could- wow)
(larger whatever in the concessions to the Catholics ;
but 111 the contrary, • he •was persuaded that they
would be attended 'With' the most important advan-
tages. The,l7ptioarCorptis, and the Bdrid Rights,
Wet* thiitasls..ol the British Constitution, and not
theAdtit-of Non.conformity and. the Test Laws.—
The' system .now putsuing with' respect to Ireland
was similar_ to that by. which America was lost to
thh country. He icknOwledged the sincerity. and
cor.sistency en this 'subject, of the Right licinourable
Gentleman trpotite, but he knew not how to ascribe
to auy but unworthrrnotives, the conduct of
,other
Members of the Administration„ who had accepted.
office under a Government which they knew sta4 ini-
mical to the Cada-1k Claims, although they had for-
Maly pledged themselves to support those Claims.
.14. C. ADAMS 'strenuously urged the utmost'
vigilance in zuarding our establishments. He con-
sidered the Cothoiic Religion as east nially dangerous
sts its idolatrous worship, its auricular cutifessiou, and
its consequent sibsolnticn.
• rdr. Zil:l:NAit also opposed the motion.
The cry fora tbOurnment becoming very general,
IP the Motion of the CHANCELLOa of the Excite.ot,
the Debate.. at Two OICLCCK this Tlilatailigs WAS Ad.%
jourtied to this day.

JUST INDIA MONOPII4,I.
Petednuie to the debate on the Catholic Quoitlon, Mr. I!cns-
.lTotv resenttil 3 Petition thr Last India Mornooly Irani
fleelrdr .
low, IA !licit tie tiatt.ct
, and net by Operate,:,
nif)r,ahout COO mantes
sub-
upon the sane stele
X:fshibUttln.

LONDON. .
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• FRIDAY, APRIL 24.
PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY. AT ONE cI•CLOCS:
pee Ct. litFductel s 9 l-4 ;Net Cent. 74 4
3 per tl cons. for moey fix ace. 6
- 5 per Ct. 9Cii—bt r'p ihpre.—Long Anna. Ist
Exch. Bills par Is. pm—bonds Is. 24

-The gratifying intelligence of the fall of Badajot,
which we announced yesterday, was brought to Ply-
mouth by the FANTONIE) of 18 guns, Captain Law-
nce, in 13 days from Li.tboa. Captain CANNING,
of the Guards, arrived in Town with the dispatches
last night abont nine o'clock. We lament to say
that the loss on the part of our gallant countrymen is
almost unparalleled. The Park and Tower guns were
flied between eleven and twelve, and in the course
of the night the following official communications
were made on the subject :

WAR DEPARTMENT.
" DOWNING•STREZT, MAIL 23.
" Dispatches have been received by Lord Livia.
POOL from the Earl of WELLINGTON, dated Camp at
Badajoz, 701 of April.
His Lordship reports, that the fire was opened
from his. second parallel on the 31st of March, and
was continued with great of till the night of the
6th instant, when a general attack was made upon
the place. Three breaches had been effected; the
attack upon these was made by the 4th Division, led
by Major-General CoLarita.e, and the Light Division
under Colonel BARNARD ; but such were the obstacles
which the enemy lad prepared, and such the obsti-
nacy of his defence, that in spite of the most extraor.
Binary efforts on the part of these two divisions, Lord
WELLINGTON found it necessary to withdraw from the
assault. In the mean time, the Third Division, com-
manded by Lieutenant. General PICTONI made an
attack on the Castle of Badajoz, which our troops
carried by escalade in the most gallant manner, and
firmly established themselves there, and in the Rave-
lin of St. Roque, while on the other side of the City,
Major•Geneml LEITH'S Division, which had been
ordered to make a false attuck, or to convert it into
a real one if possible, found means to turn the out.
work of Pardillaras, and descending into the ditch,
escaladed the bastion of San Vicenti in the most
brilliant manner, and established themselves in Ba-

dajoz. Major-General WALKER particularly distin-
guished himself in the atchievement ; the success of
General Pro ON'S and General LEITH'S Divisions,
while the fourth and light divisions were preparing
to renew the as'svalt upon the breaches, brought this
severe conflict to a termination, the enemy laying
down their arms.

• " The garrison consisted originally of about 5000
men, of whom about 4000, and Generals PIttLIPPON
and VAILLANT are prisoners.
'1 Major-Generals CoLvrm.r., WALKER and Bowns,
•have been severely wounded ; Lieutenant-General
PicroN, and Major-General K ES! PT, dy.
" The loss of both British and Portuguese has
been very severe. In the storm, S2l men cf the two
natitan have been killed, 2669 wounded.

N. Mr. STumtr, in dispatch r,f the 11th of April,
from Likon, states, that the Telegraph from Elvas
had 11111101111Ctti that BALLASTEdOS had entered Seville;
and this report was believed to be authentic." •

LATTER TO THE LORD MAYOR.
" k ET, ArklL V 371812.-10 Pal.
"MY Loran--1 have the satisfaction of informing
you, that Captain CANNING, Aide-de-Camp to Lord
WELLINGTON, is just arrived with-the intelligence of
the capture of Baclajoa by storm, in the night of the
6th iast.• after a most severe contest, in which the
troops of his Majesty, and those of his ally, particu-
larly distinguished themselves.
a, I regret to be under the necess'ty of adding,
that this most important fcrtress has not been ob-
tained without a very heavy loss.

41 The loss in this storm consists of about 51 Offi-
cers, 4 Serjeants, and LSO rank and file, British,
killed; 21$ Officets, /53 Serjeants, 1%3 rank and
file wounded.

• The Portuguese loss consists of about 170 killed,
and snore than 500 wounded.

" The Earl cf WELLINGTON speaks in the'higbest
terms of the gallantry and good conduct of every pltyi
of the army in this important operation.
" No General Officer was killed, but Major-Ge-
nerals CoLv.u.Ls, WApUlitt and Bowes, were severely
wounded ; Lientgant-General PICTON and Major-
General Kz&iPr, .slightly wounded. I have the ho-
nour to be, my Lord, your Loa dbliip's most obedient
humble servant, (Signed) " LIVk;EPOOL.

•" To tile Right. Hoe. tbc 1.0. J Ma) or."

Yestersial tho Qurrx, with the Princesses AUGCSTA
and ELIZA10:11.1, armed a; her MAJESTY'S YALU',
trrin Windsor, where sl,e was visited by the PRINCE
RECENT, and the Dukts.of Yottx, CLARENCE, and
CVSI SEUL AND. Her MAJts.i ai.d the Princesses
Afterwards dined wizh the Dtithess of brioNswicK, in
Hanover-square, and at six o'clock s..t off on her re.
turn for Windsor.

Yestcreay beirg St. CeoTr's. Day, the Porno RE-
cErr entertained the 1:14;htl. of the Gaiter at Call-
um nous:. The day was also observed by the Guards
wearing their rew clothing, and also their new-shaped
hats, with LIASS in front.

Meeting of Merchants was ysterday held at
the City of London 'cavern, to consider of a Petition
to Parliament, praying, that the Import Trade from
India and China c‘nAuell extcluiv47 to the
jaP..4.01-IL•oliteon. _ .

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SECOND rDITION.

KILLED AND WOUNDED.

The following List of the Officers killed in the"
gallant affair of the siege of Bajadoz, will be found
correct; the wounded, however, being exceedingly'
numerous, the most prominent only are selected :

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XILLED.
Royal Artillery-Captain Lathan).
Engineers-Lieutenants Lucelies and Salaberry.
4th Foot-Capt. Billingkam, Lieut. Staveley.
sth-Major Ridge.
7th-Major Singer; Capt. Co!wick. ; Lkatenants Wtay, Fowler,
and Pyke.
23d-Capt. Maw, and Lieut. Collins.
27th-Capt. Jones; Lieuts. Levinge, Shncoe, and Whyte.
28th Foot-Captain Johnson, Aide-de-Camp to 'Gen. Bowes.
38th- Ensign Evans.
40th, Lieutenants Ayling and Greenfield.
43d, Lleut.-Col. Macleod; lieutenants Harvest and i'auart.
44th, Lieutenants Unthank and Argent.
45th, Captain liertot ; Ensigns Macdonald and Collings.
48th, Captain Ruoke; Lieut. Chilcott, and Ens'gn Parier.
52d, Captains Jones, Madden, and Poole"; Lieutenants Booth
and Royk.
60th, Captain Stein.
834, Captain Fry.
88th, Captain Lindsay; Lieutenants Ivfansfield and M'Alpin.
94th, Ensign Lang.
95th, Major O'Hare, Capt. Diggis, Liests.Stokes, Hovecden,
Carey, Allen, and Camden.
York Light Infantry, Lieutenant Bee wning.
wbUNDED. • '
Major Pakenham, Major Brooke, Acting Quarter-Master-Gen.
4th Foot, Major Faunce, slightly ; Capt. Williams, sever..•ly.
sth, Captain Bennet.
7th, Colonel Blakeney, severely.
18th Dragoons, Lieutenant Harris, very severely.
21st, Captain Potter.
27th, Lieutenant-Colonel Erskine, Captain Ward.
50th, Colonel Grey, since dead; Captain Maehell, severely.
40th, Colonel Harcourt, severely; Ensign Gillies.
431, Major Wells, severely.
44th, Colonel Carleton, severely.
j 45th, Captain Campbell.
48th, Colonel Erskine; Major Wilson ' • Captains Bell, French,
Turnpenny ; Lieuts. Brooke, Stroud, Cuthbertson, Robertson,
Armstrong, Wilson, Ponntney ; Ensign* Thatcher, Johnson,
Burke, Thompson.
50th, Lieutenant Johnston, slightly.
71st, Captain Spotdswooce
54d, Colonel Gibbs, severely; Major Mien, ditto.
60th, Colonel Williams, slightly; Colonel Fitzgerald, ditto.
74th, Colonel French, severely.
77th, Colonel Dunken, slightly.
79th, Colonel Harvey.
81st, Captain James.
91st, Colonel M‘Donald ; Mr. I. Rangen, and Capt. Morphew.
92d, Major M‘Pherson.

A Liston Mail arrived this morning, but it does
not enable us to add any tLing to our official com-
munications on the subject of the fall of Badajoz.
An Anholt Mail arrived last night, which brings
a report of a treaty, offensive and defensive, having
been concluded between Russia and Sweden. It is
also said that Mr. THORNTON has been publicly re-
ceived at Stockholm as Ambassador from this country.
By the Mails from Gibraltar and Cadiz which ar-
ved this morning, we learn that tranquillity had been
perfectly restored in Sicily. The British Comman-
der in chief had, in a most magnanimous manner,
publicly committed to the flames the lists of those
persons who lid been denounced to him as partizans
of the French ; and the amnesty thus granted has'
Leen followed with the best possible effects, all aril-1
=sides having ceased. The letters arid papers from
Sicily come down to the 11th February.
From Gibraltar we learn that the garrison of Ali-
cant were in high spirits, and entirely at their ease
with respect to the French in their neighbourhood.—
The latest Gibraltar papers we have received are da-
ted the 29th of March.

Thy Prince Adolphus, BOULPERSON ; and Nocton,
NAYLOR, (packets), from the Mediterranean, have
arrived at Falmouth ; both packets have kept com-
pany the whole of the voyage. They left Messina on
the 19th February, Malta on the 16th, Gergenti on
the 19th, and Cagliari on the 24th. They arrived at
Gibraltar on the 2d April, and left it on the sth;
found lying there his M.ijeity's ships SAN JUAN, Met-
rom esz, MiNeraitt, and PA PsILl ON; his Majesty's ships
LAVINIA and CLEOPATRA, had sailed a few days be-
fore on a cruise The Dispatch packet had also ar-
rived at Gibraltar, from Cadiz, where she landed a
Mail only seven days passage from Falmouth. The
Mpntrose packet' was spoke by Captain NAYLOR
within day's sail of Malta. Those packets left at
that port Majesty's ships TRIDENT, Rear-Admiral
; ACTIVE, ALCAIRRY, MINORCA, WIZARD,
.1111t1 CON rouNDER.

' The TICIODACIA and MALABAR schooners, on the
170 instant, in Lt. 47. 15. long. 9. 7. fell in with a
frigate of about 32 guns, which Captains VAY4OII
and BOULDZRSON are of opinion was an enemy's fri-
gate, from her continual firing after making the pri-
vate signals; one shot entered, the Nocum, by which
the surgeon was wounded in the head, and be is not
expected to recover. The frigate appeared to be in
possession of the private signals; she could not come
up with either packet.

We have received letters from the Caracas, dated
January 30, in which 4 florid account is given of the
success of the Revolutionary arms throughout the ex-
panded provinces of Venezuela. in the confidence of
comple4 triumph, the following extraordinary pro-
positions have been made by the Revolutionists to
Old Sr --'- r •

_ Spain ;
" 1. '1 hat the European Troops, which, the number of 10,11110
men, are spread toter tlx euronles, shad return to the Mother
Country, with the Viceroy (los/Triton, al.cl WA: Commanders,
under where controtil theyliave acted.
" 2. '1 hat all the Inhabitants or tbeColonies, who are inclined
to serve in the. armies of Old Spain, :hap be permitted to depart,
America thus becoming the ally of the peninsula, as (;rent liri-
to becasue,by employing her withers au the aunt grotto&
• " S. '1 hat America, on these conditions, will ltperal y supply,
Fir the defence of the Peninsula, that property which tie ttotir
deletes to resist the tyranny wbish the agents 91 the resin dim
eletwist her

'

LIVAL INTRLLMENCE.

FALMOUTH, APRIL 11.
'Attired the Prince Adolphus Packet, from Malts and O.
guitar, 14 days from the latter; Noctoo Packet, from MrAta,l4
days from Gibraltar; Nymph Packet, front the Leeward lauds
4n se days from St. Thomas's; and the American ship Attu,
Captain Duxtravan, from Philadelphia, GO days panage, for
orders, with about 5,000 barrels of Flour. Sailed the Lapwing
Packet, for New York.—Wind
PLYMOUTH, APRIL 42.
Arrived the EARL Strain t a eh* ter, from Cork eix re t.t.tovni,
14 guns, from Liverpool; Nervy s‘a (1) tender, from Liverpool;
and cite Rosa tender, from Greenocke—The ROTA and SuovtiL•
ILAR rt frigates went from Ramose to the Sound.--Arrived the
FANI omit, of 18 guns, Capt. Lawart4Ct, in IS days, with di,,patches front Lisbon.--Sailed the WHITING schoo4e. 4 guns_
fdr Falmoutb.—The HARIADRYAD frigate is appointed ...ye;
for Cork. —Wind N.

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'she *enchants and Ailuintacturtrs of Glasgow, whi
was only signed by Master Mancfactwers, and nct
would account tor there belts oii4r-sibout Eoc
Gabsd to Also psk seined a Petitiou• upon tt
yet, halt tie Royal asagibs at Xiotter and Plumbs
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