Star.
London, England, 1806-02-26 00:00:00

anwilling to detain.the
Rrongly the importance of the fobjet.. No man in-
deed could deny the importance of inquiry and ex-
planation, refpetiog a country which yielded an an
noel revenue of between t 5 and 20 millions ; an/I yet
he reconciled, that in the courts of the laR &Songs
is the month of January, he end the Noble Lord
oppriftte (Caßlereagh) could (candy get above
twenty Members to attend to the dilcuffion of its in-
ter/el s.
The Honourable Mlnther. referring mak fubjca
of his Motion obferved, that it was connelted with
the Mahratta Wart and as he had before Ratedi he
expelled to have leen it explained in the printed Pa-
pers before the Honk. lint. difappoinced in that
expebation, and finding no mention whatever made
of it. he felt it needful to stove for the produftion
I of a fpecial &amount to captain it.
" In the country of Guastrat, to the North Welt
" of Bombay, there is a Prince called Gwicowar:
" a part of his territory bas-beest ceded to the Qom!
" pally, partly to make gOod the pey of our MlA-
diary form Rationed at Poona, and for other objells
of ineleseeification. Out of tbatfond we, ought to
" have received. eoOderable revenue ; but to that
" Prince the Government of Bombay hire lent a
rum, not much lets that ifo,oool. The documents
" relative to this extraordinary tganfaraion. I think.
" ottgbt to have been laid before the Houfe."
The Inellion 'llitlirany miffing out of it. which I
Should with to put, is upon what ground this Loan
was °akae by w dillreffed Company, and Particularly
by Brialy which is by far the moll dillrelfed Pre.
fidency in India Tit the Papers that have heed print-
ed, I cannot And any thing 'to throw a ray of light
upon the rubies& The Company like' isWfellion of
the territory of Gwierttar, they hold it in his name,
and disked thing done is to lend him 360,0001.—
On die very face of the trawfaition there was
f ,i• and which called for (sple-
netic.. swords:A the official difmuch from
• MAIO/ ',Wince and territory, wuraj
there—.
This fake wiliMiriolar" has for its prefent its.
• tim ashes a Chhfuineof avowedly weak inteleae.
theseire tientik be extended to all the,
tr' * ms of its ChSfettiMent ; holding as we dn,
* the itihttliate chard, of the Gericowik chieftain's'
" own &herd. and dividing with his troops the 101tri-
• fon of his capital."
This fitemsey, therefore, could not be nece is
the rumen of this Prince; all the operations of rkj
goversamet were in our hands. No, it co
be waslstiOr advanced for any (uch purport.
them any man. he would elk, who believed
Gwicowar ever received a Wiling of this !oat
there was really fuch a man. he Mould only fity, that
that men knew nothing of the politics of India. The
Hon. Gentleman concluded with moving, that there!
&mid be laid before the Houfe
&irate et may Littera or Ammo frothed_ 2/210 die Pene-'
okay of lierribay, rdadirr the lernknig Inpara,
sukboinkirtiertel in Or Arnim Oh* mibeefeessese hr thin
Mr AA* P4h Affrili 1124. lip hi litipmmiltoiw
Orrk•wer.
Mr. MILEY ADAINGTON obfereada,dlitthe!
bad net takes Ms-feat whet •the kilmourabio Geode-
man yellevelay give notiee Motion.- -Ha there-
fore had not then a right to obferet "'With. Roo.'
Member bad not fulfictettly Rated is bk *Mite, agar
objet of the motion be braided to melte. "—Ai to the.
papers repelling India .affair a., they- were:ufually fd
voluminous. as the Noble Lord at the maker file of
the houfe (Lord Caltlereagh) well knew, chat is was
difficult to primounce immediately what pe_pitst iould
with rarity end propriety be prodieed.. Under thee
circualberiees, be could not Forth!, be speepared In;
form an opinion t-he did not wriar the Hoetootable
Member to frappes that be had any (*jealous to the,
produaion of the:paper dlmmuled, but ftsbusittel it
Ittais colfideratim whether k would not be.better
to withdraw his motion fox a day or ore, is order to
-give Members tiine 'to confider die (tablet. and ro
`lake up their minis rtfpeding iite.proprsaty of pro-
during the-paper erlikb welt be fpbee& of this motion.
CAST,LgREAGH r 4. that their was no
ifeetherta tisee.Houftmore fully convinced than he
,wasof the seat and• anxiety' with *hick the Hon.
Member (Mr. French) applied his mind to the af-
•fairs 'of India. ant did any one lament more the dd.-
fieulty of prncnring loch as attendance of Members
as could be witted, when thettenual Ratements were
made of the fituation of that insportaut part of our
empire. He mug deny, however, that it was an
I unprecedented thing. that a Vet Should pal's- over
without an India Budget being prefented to the
Houfe. He perfeElly recolleaed, that the 6rSt yeai
be was Prefidentof the Board of Control, he prefect-
ed the Budgets oftwo-yeam, tad-shatthis Was-awing •
to eircumflances very limiter to thole of the .oreent
cafe. He felt no appreheufion front:the pirraußiot
of the papers moved for, end be trullodi ultehlexa-
mination, it would be found that.thete had beets no
gift of money to the Gwicowar, but al-san advasseed
on the fecurity of landed allignritents. The Hon,
Gentleman teemed furprifed that there were few or
no Direr:tors prefent in the Houfe. This eircumßance
would be easily accounted for when he Rated, that
there was a General Court of Direaors held this day,
and that many of thnfe DireBors who were Mem-
bers of Parliament were confequently attending their
duty in another place.
After a few word. from Lord Morpeth,
Mr. FRANCIS arced to withdraw his motion
for the prefent, but walked to know when the Indian
Accounts would be ready to be brought forward.
Lord MO RPETH replied, that he thould be ready I
to move tor the accounts on Thurfday next, but he
could not Rate poitiveiy what time it might take to
prepare them.
Mr. GRANT raid, that& had no objection to the
produltion of any &Tomcat that might be required,
but whether it would be conintiant to the general ii-
tereßs of the Company that thole Papers (Would be
produced, would be another confideration.
The motion of Mr. Francis was then, with the
leave of, the Houle, watlidrawn.
Mr. PAUL, then tole, and patfuent to his notice,

consents that *light t
on ibis • - ,.
tual remedy. it . tunt- se4lo,Mentber then went
into a minute and det4iled agouti of the condo& of
India fine' i 793 a. when • nsW chatter. WU obtained,
and a variety rd regulatlenso roads by a bill of -that
year carried through that Houle, ,by Mr. Dundee,
now Lord Melville, and of which every regulation
Almon that was intended for the improvement an 4
confolidatian of nut interells in:lndia had been vols.
ly violated. 'Th. 4.5.00,000 cads year that was to
have been applied to the tedudion of the debt, from
the furplus revenue, had never been applied to that
purport, and the one million that was to be applied
to commercial purports only, had never a (billing of
it been brought into this country. On the contrary.
millions had been drawn from this country, but not
one applied to the payment of the debt that had
been fince . accumulating." The debt had been then
reven•millions, and
.the bill contained provifione for
reducing it in two, but infield' of this it had been
tepidly increafing. The dividends were raddled With
the intetelt at an enormous rate. The fun of (even
millions betides was now due to the publie. which
11 might have purchared a confiderable portion of the
National Debt. This Ae alio provided that a parti-
cular account from time to time Ihould be given of
thole proceedings, but no fuch account had been
given. He did not think he &odd have done his
duty, unlefs he had fubmitted thi, matter to The
Houle. The Company wire in debt thirty million;
abroad, (even millions to the public, and twelve mil.
lions of psorantee. He concluded by rubttiittinX the.
following motions : ..
RakeetThat there be laid before this Ileobt an MONK ;oil
the kale sonny w /owe Isempsid by the lab ladle Csan; %hill
PINY kat Uea in obedience to the atlas ise
shard the 311 • themeeg; . s.
That th be bid this Mateo wipe et all the
which have boos nude to the Lords of the Tres.
is ; to theism &Nen of the cei.l o& , , •
That thatch. laid Wore this Hook a espy d all the
which have been gives by the' Leeds WI the 1 watery. far .
**WOW'''g el du tefilleint dths lawny Em *smut la lowa
Vrte the Polak. to enediersot tit tiquess Myer, .. -
aell, That there be leatbetore thie Ma a tete stab the
oat repietsilatiess as attreisid, whist, have hoessanask by
the,Cpeepteleoers at the TrAtary se Paso:ova, In ceslamity
to the 615,410a deb. ea. . . . • . •
•Rfy„i .That there be Yid W lore tbdefflei#ll. Pt reuses ft.
pestepseed towards tie
al
the •41. Oinenttie Fara of the=
PLltinlill" IT tie OA &aka to WIWI
thst there by t= "1401, eh pity knows
el arch. an_ elite ties 1 Oita. hp she s teak tee.'
doe ehrefild, the 'Ortetnie and* Cooper, et the Ikea et &a-
are required to ley before betitionfas et Pullmans, on or
hews the :yds of toenail in mei year and it Perliesnev list
lintihns be listing, with. hewnng, days4w tie coestnenseateat
ettail Stiles of Pattlarnesq
Wye Tint there be laid before this lewd'. ii* eseiNiel,dt
dl Nit et drawinscuiz dee 'Caen of Mahn /tea
it
tiei la the I'4 period. qrseat ' ins imeenetreis each hill
dotter. rid rise Nits sans low.
liteidoel. Tlint.lbers be MI before this Hoek the value et
land hullos emus. withis the fame period to leapt MeJ
and isielny..fpreityin the esteem la cub year, mode's?,
Ma 0114111adad falai Maim end lisothey, to tort wtniam, is
"="lewe wain from tea OPeseer .....f 1 a brass. . ,
111 at there he lid Want this l'lnslit a eery of ell hp-
Err go r al. s I:: % 1 i:i Gf:s ;Ipeena
r Cilha
tlayt P. sZI elj
al ' teiat be
ri i se b i 1 fe
e
Sado eti pet appleattesuc frest qyl t. thq,* ISOM,
lien diet 6401. .
•On the tlhelth'h being Puton the 44.0 Odff
e efaelte... •
Lead CASTLERVAGH enntessded..dait 'tits°
Hos. Oeodootan miffoak the proviiions alba Ail of
r 793. The afforiOtion of the fun' teol'lri
was by no meaM.Optiatlve On ,lye India - •ny
cadets the furfilni• of their profits enabled Alegi ter
make sbat:roptiation. and this they win cubit
to dn, in c eqnence of the wars in which they Wets
7 involved. The Nolde • Lord eeprefented
t magi of bullion to be the nsolk Advantageous
amie aCeomoserce with India, and that it was now
laterally Admitted to be fo. The afertion in -April
003, that the affairs of the Company were profperi
and proneiting, he was ready to }unify, (altheatill
be admitted the maitre to be great at prefent),.and
;fit were not for thebtaltratta erardie had little doubt
ft they would have c
: . to flourilb. Upon
't- 2extl,
point, however, be Gentlemen to fufpend
1 their opinion until the SOCUtalaati were laid
before the Huff., ,0 t, ,-
M
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Mr. FULLER, as the b* of Marquis Corm
wallis kad been alluded to in the courfe of the de•
bate, took occafion arringly to recommend that [owe
fignat mark of dill inaicto lboold be conferred on she
brother of that illullrious Nobleman (Admiral Corn-
, welts), at a reward for his eminent tervicei—(a cry
of !mar ! bear !) .
• • Lord FOLKSTONE fupported the motion. For
hitufelf he confeffed that in his judgment, if the India
' Cohipany violated the conditions, upon which they
hied their Charter, ;they had no right .to retain
' ,exclufive right of comer/co, which that Charter
'rated them.
-Lord CASTLEREAGH iholiined.
air. FRANCIS replied to Lend Caillereagh, He
Appealed to the Directors then prefent, whether the
leampany was allowed to manage even its comber-
Nal concerns is the manner moll to its•arleantage.—
ratio its territorial power, that was b mere name.
twitch he had many years ago advifed them to re.
Wince altogether. The only part of the Eaff where
'their trade was profitable was in China, whets the
natives would not allow them to obtain any territo.
vial perfeffione. He thought the Mahratta war was a
:may Asa topic for the Noble Lord (Lord Cattle-
h) trialledge as an excure for the failure of all
kispromifes.
Lord CASTLEREAGH nbferved, that in 1803.
there had been *dually a furplus of above eleven
hundred thoufand rounds, and the nation would have
participated, if it had not been that, in the begin.
; ning of the war in Europe, a duty had been laid on
tea to loch an amount, that the Company [offered '
a Ink in that article of above half a million. ( Hi. •
Lordibip was aeplying to diiiclnt parts of Mr. Flan• °
I cis'. Speech, but the Speaker 'alarmed him, that he
I Ira confine hindell to explanation, having already
fi.oken.)
Mr. GRANT (prike at confiderable length, in an
I Ewer to the liatentents of Mr. Paul and Mr. Francis.
11-1 e lopported the argument of Lord Caftlereagh, re-.,
' Ipefting the reafons why no part of the hot anouall;r 1

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to the public, towards the Webster or the
,ray's debt, out Of the furplus on each yeses
had been brought to account, as no foci fur-
-1 aßually mem red in any one rear fince. ow.
alrpolt uninterrupted continuance al expert.
With reined to the porchale of goods in
homeward inveflment‘lor cat or halos,
of other commodities, he detale#lf eithat to be
r difadvantageous, or looppolint tkshe inittcl-
, our commercial intereffs, xiatligalilassffeatit
the Hon. Gentlemen. it was tnandobg liaittemorial
experience. that none even.of the *adept there war
bled to carry on a trade with India foe be conamodi.
ties, in exchange for the manufaitores or produce of
Europe : the trich was, we cooler not induce the
natives of thole countries to the fame predileßioo for
our commodities that we had for theirs. If, there-
fore, we mull have Indian onttntirlitier, the bef% mode
of procuring them would be in exchange for tat wdy
which could obtain them upon advantageout terms.
It was found. by long experience, that they could be
obtained upon filch terms for indlion only ; and that
to attempt it by inyeNments in any other commodity.
*would be attentled with lofts fuloves five to the trade
altogether ; and as to bullion, it was not the produce
of the country. but obtained. from other stations in
1 stachange:f.r our commodities. He denied that our
commerce with Bengal was annihilated, as was of
Doled, though for a Tew years brick it was carried on
rather upon a redoced halt ; and;be deprecated the
manner in which' this enquiry was urged Go ward,mi
rradoulated to excite the molt oeirchievcop and nn-
hooded alarms in the public mind, In relation to the
1 Owniwsl's affair., al bowie. as well-as to Paralyse the
-Goya= en t in Inds t• and he stalled upon his Ma.
jelly's Minifferi. who had a heavy refFonlibility in
the affairs of tidies, to be cautious hoer they tine-
.tioned the principles that had been held:fin th chi; slight
is refperft to th'at Government, or (offered pi, i 'es to
=ate they bad an intention to cinge..the
of that G orernment.
..;, bleilleevetary FOX obferved, ihky thclew mordi
Lion which b#d )n(lfallen' from his nos,
? rendered it left riecelfery for him to eater par-
ticularly upon the tabling. He had onderanod hint
precifely as his explanation Imported. He agreed
that we.wEre'nbt now to reiert• to original theories;
but when we were exanfining Into. the saufes of im-
p_artent events wliiell were emrstiely complicated in
their nitre. it wit fornewhat,difficult to do fo with.
riot; in fnme nature, adverting to. loch. original
..5
Amnia. -.He. however, did not tnean.to- fay that
asp alteration ought at peetint to take plass in the
I.lyftent di Indian Government ix now, by law,
Waked. 'Hi had neeMion to. lime. at .a_ fin adir
. e, that there was a side diffeeenoo betWeen•difitg•
roving of menfores at thee etotnniitcettent, antlf-
eeteraras refcinding them
,wheii4hoima IMO, Ines
time in 'rake. This he badfaid with orgwdto.tbe
Union with Ireland: He had ft:vasty disapproved
e( dtay nsealore when it ents°propufed; hedatik he
Om then conisiqed,it 'wan a 4pge„. fad. wake hid
• " "rioted that it atioold havo.lreeo mock, bettor tor 4
olet country if it had wearied, place. •He hod alto .
gifegproved of the plan for the GlOternmeneof lab,
Illgit "a liatfitittiV 'ltrilo,l4inoil Wirt
-w Tait! le pits use r
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in geom.
aleilratiditirideu in. rode a tare 1w -matt* died,
stillrlstatee 'teiremely adtifeable, WI %/thee
/110010.0 ii neerronts Ihoiald place the .naeiteittelp plain
sad chew dee appointment ofoConiatiyeeerduid
Joe teolbls. Now with relpisit to.the details
el this debate, be, (peaking an tbk part of the public,
would certainly fib that it was a moll
,monfiroos
penpofition to start that in, the yet, Ma& the (late
of the company was highly aillaeau and•piotterrus.
To be fare the at oP 1793' only npplied tit the fnr-
-pins of the produce. But rhea it Worried that filch
It,furplua was likely to exiii, otherwise it would hare
been pm-Italy ungatory from the beginning. We
were barely to conclude that there might be a forplas
in filch cafe. This certainly was not, too much. Byt
-when we find that from, 793 in 0163, a period of
ten years, no furring had in fait canted, and that
nothing had No done on the prorifinns of the Ail
cf Parliament, fuch a long experience might he Jul,
ficient to cons ihce us that the affairs of the company
had not been in the very II nnilhing hate in which
they .had been adiried to be. But we mill lay,
afterthe palling of this ad, and the long time that
had -elapled, during which nothing had been done
upon it, that the lair conclufion was, either that
the turplus- had been milappliede or that the
conntry had beet moll grvisly debnled, sad that
infield of being in a flow ilhing condition its had
been pretended, the affairs of the Ccmpany 461 in
fad been in a moll alarming fituatirm, a fituation
which ought to have been expla;nerl and lei& open
to the utak, instead of being carefilly crince:ded
fromrh2 public view. In his opinion, the unprofper; us
entulitiomot the Company's concerns mid never been
fufficiently acconnted for. He did not fay that hefted
nut heard a great deal on the Subject, but what he liar!
heal (I, in general, proceeded on Salle tart, and falle
principles. We ought to have the ace- unts of ti e
Company laid before us, with a view to a Intl at d
complete examination, not for the purpofe of setrt
fpeelive inquiry into the conduet of the managers of
the affairs of India, with the intention of allowing
blame upon any body, bit for the purple of warning
us (the prefent Administration) agatatt the errors
w!sich others ha committed: In one thins the prefent
Adminiaration would certainly Oct fnllow the ex-
ample of others, nod that was, in holding out falfe
and deltdive hopeh to d*Csnantry. • The Hon. Gen-
tleman (Mr. Gwent) had fai3; and infily in.), that :e
would neemifchicrons to (pi cad alatm among or
ISw .3ennedcselinn:Jy fey it eecz•int.efidle ce“li tyl.titt)lovuurt e
;re: Itsei
ne sji:g1en

MN patches was ionsinittect. .IT. wet the r co Itention ef the Hourelpyiquelklnitibleh• payable to
at this when he eettliderea',fhe ennfesi A
fCCOII. to none, tithe 0 political col Company'
• hatirefolted from the friqeent loft of pet importance,
as .
importanee.,•••.Hemartfid India, in its! profit, had
wants from India t with the nature of Iftlifsf pasf encumbered RM., loatrest,With debt. as en plus had a
.as is. which; and confequintly with she Rate of rhelip. it objet of melancholy Forsperoplaticei This gloom he , iag to the
ewe. felt, we-bad of late years fii:oftee become acquasni• confidered as much inceirifedziondid death of I..hrd 1 five wars.
tam"' ed through the prcfs of Bonaparte. This wet pro- Cornwallis, the Sun of India, that had -yet to riv lndia for
!a' dultive of ferious to our interetity -and the no mare. irwswhis intention inmate for f I diiittiead of
fee,- eaufe ought to be fermufly inquired into t that he was cuments thee might rite foie farther infotmati,n ,Co very d
ass Inn unwilling to detain the Hods, _although he alt moil on this jeliagbAsssis_-if palegsJeesLAo fame et c. I pies of out
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but what he liatfaht withrega Au? .
Ireland. he nowrekrelpeeting this plan . kin Go-
vernment. It was, in his opinion. a b•done friends,
beginning. but as it lend been 'adopted dad sated up.
on, it WU linetellifi sto injafT relciiroed4ngn cafes
at this natant as elf alt 4110ge 1111tWAn putyp
with many inteweettieneies a . Iroril the Reit adop-
tion end nMiltbeettlati belied moicrsyitsa,o,-
titre e ilk ;neufitleied. elietailoh, :4" zukorm.o4
This was his opinion. Now the Hon. cailermaiiid
laid fomeldwg about • Crermeiteetreelbeeltigusetthe
rife and pt retio of the' debt. Thie.:Was ilm ellrlft
time he had heard of any Inch Coreimitte4. Sur *Vitt
he (mid shis.lse*gged )cafe tole conlidired.ls-uot
pledgieg ItimfAf aw sly way. upon the ittbjed-w-
If. however, spots 'epaminihg tOta` the itatt of the
finance, f t Cempany, them Abould be any thief;
I which, dine' clew to the,Hemourakle Penticton,
might not be o clear to the Haute in general, he did