Star.
London, England, 1814-11-19 00:00:00

ARMY EXTRAtiRDINARIEs.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER,
on moving that the House should go into a Commit-
tee of Supply, and the Speaker having left the Chair,
stated, that it was his intention to move that the bills
of exchange drawn for the service of the Army Ex-
traordmaries be referred to the Committee. From
the appearance o, the House, however, at that time,
(there being very few Members present) he would
rather prefer mer,iy to move the vote for a provision
for the current service, and not at present to detain
the Houie by entering into details of the arrange-
ments. The total amount of the Army Eztraordi-
naries now reviled was nearly ten millions, and he
only proposed to move, that a sum not exceeding
eight tudFon, be granted, to make good the Bills
dr.ovn on Li., na;e:ity's Treasury for this service, up
to the Ist o! ISI4
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Mr. TIERNEY said t:e Rig'it Honourable Gen-
tkintin now called on the Hiln,e to vo:e the sum of
even millionsrAsnlraecatiai- he wants it ; and-eould
really think that is the way we .night to go on ?
He could sc.: no difficulty in making up tile accounts
on •:lie past of Government and yet We Committee
were called on to vote eigut millions without any
particulars before them. The House shook& bear in
mind that they had, last zeal, voted nine =lons for
this branch of expenditure ; and of this great sum no
satisfactory account whatever had.be.n readtred, ex-
cept that it was expended on the artily. is gone
no one %.:ows Low, and yet we are to ask no ques-
tions. He etas even exceed:d these nine millions b;
'ten more, and an additional /1'850,00‘), from the Vote
of Credit. Therefore the amount was almost twenty
niiilions. No 'doubt the Right Honourable Gentle-
' man . bought that be ihraald be able to carry his p.,int,
atcl, per.laps, he Might be right. All that he himself
could do, was to protest against it ; bi:t he would say
it was the must indecorous mode that had ever been
adopted. But he would beg the Committee not to
lose sight of the long adjournment that might be in
contemplation, and connect this with the length of
time the y might have to wait for the accounts. He
had understood' the Right Honourable Gentleman,
that this day he did mean to go into the state.
ments at large, and particularly into those of the sub-
sidiary engagements cf this country.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
replied, that he had no other motive in urging farther
delay than that he conceived it might be convenient
to the House to defer for a short time the explana-
tions in question. For his own part he was neither un-
willing nor unready to go into the-stibject at once.—
It was nothing less than the extraordinary circum-
stances which must be in the recollection of every
Gentleman in the House, that would prevent the ac-
counts from being made up for some time in detail;
and therefore he had thought it best to wait for a full
explanation till they could be produced. -If the great
mount of the army expenditure was only looked at,
it might be thought that nothing could justify such a
large disbursement of Oa: public money. But it should
be borne in mind, that the great object of this expen-
diture had been attained; and when he should shew
that these supplies had enabled Lord Wellington to,
carry on a war from the frontiers of Portugal into
France, he must think t1...1t this result would be
proved to have been as much the consequence of the
liberality of thlt House as of any thing else. The ac-
counts woul.l clearly shew, that nearly nineteen mil-
lions of money had been required for the Army Ex-
traordinaries. He was about to state how this money
had been expended, as titta:lyas possible. The amount
of the hills *damn on the Treasury from different
quarters amounted to nearly nineteen millions, the
principal of which were as follows:
From Gine/my and Taney ,e 24,000
From 1400•1414 46,000
From the Wirth of:GavofleY 1,411,000
FrOm Sraiti, Por&pl, and the South of Frame 8,612,000
?rem Gibraltar and the ktedlterraosan 4,259,000
' Fre= *the •W eit Indio* . 7 • 854.900.
FrOlti North America . • 1,000,0110
From Bomb America • 233,000
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These, together with other smaller sums, made the
amount very near nineteen millions, as would be
clearly shewn when the accounts were made up. It
trazllt he proper that he should talcs a view a( the

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knation in which this country stood in 1812, at the I
when the explosion between Russia and France
was on the eve of taking place. Ministers had telt
that a great crisis, not only for this country, but for
all surrounding nations, was then at hand. That
power which should prevail over the other in the con-
teat, it was obvious, would preside over the destinies
of Europe. If France had succeeded in tifrecting the
sithj,igation of Russia, Ent;lt would have stood
alone against a world in are.. Fc.,2ling this, a larger
expenditure than the exrerienco of former times had
authorised, appeared.to Ministers justifiable at such a
period. Bus the House must.be • aware that nothing
short of an exl ere. that might be called unlimited
could have efftx:rc-t so grand an object. But he well
recollected that when it became his duty to propose a
measure, the object of which was to enable this coun-
try to carry on the war, without making any imme-
diate- increase in the burthens of the people, the Right
Hon. Gentleman ,opposite (Mr.. Tierney) had said,
“ now such funds were provided, he supposed they
should'have vigorous war. and he should net be sur-
prised if theyavere exhausted in one year." There
had been " vigorous war." In this respect the Right
Hon. Gentleman bad not been disappointed—but in
another he had; at least, that which he had appre-
hended had not taken place : three yews had riot
annihilated those means which he had feared would
be exhausted in one. To revert, however, to the ge-
neral explanations which be had to offer, he must üb-
-serve, that when the deplorable event occurre,i,
which, by depriving the country of a most able and
amiable man, he had had the honour of being plated
in the situation which he now held, Lord Wellington
had written home to say, that lie found it impossible
to undertake the great operations which he had in
view, with any military force, unless he could be as.
sisied with great pecuniary supplies ; that he was in
fact, chained to the coast: but if Le were supplied
with at least 4100,000 per month, he thought he
could do much. It was deemed proper to supply
him with 415.1,000 per month. He did not know
the precise slate of the arrangement; but it was some
time in the summer of 1812, and previous to his ad-
vance to the battle of Salamanca ; and the course
taken by the Treasury shews how greatly these cir-
cumstances (the victories and the supplies) depended
uiton one another. He would now merely state the
amount of the sums transmitted to that great Conl-
in older in the course of the present year. The bills
drawn in the South of France amounted to R 3,300,000
in specie, including, however, a 'part which was car-
ried to America by the detachment which embarked
from thence. There was exported to South America'
nearly 4400,000, and to this was to be added nearly
R 12,000,000 drawn by the Commissioners at Gibral-
tar and the Mediterranean, which was for the most
part applied to the same :unitary purposes. By what
44.‘. had statadr-ho. seuiand.-tan Jaaci,aufficiastlF
*lied the necessity of making exertions beyond all
calculation. It required all the ability and all the
c-mbinAtions of that great Commander, the Duke of
Wellington, to effect the movement of a large army
throu h a country so ravaged. It was a sort of pro-
ve:•', in Spain, that with a small army a General
:light march through their land, but a large force
must be starved in it. But, aided by the co-operation
of his GovernMent, the Duke of Wellington was ena-
bled to march a large -force through that country,
cad procure them full-supplies. He would now state
something of the amount of assistance given to our
Allies, after the glorious reverses of fortune to the
enemy in the North of Europe. The House would
recollect, that by the Treaty with Austria, Russia,.
and Prussia, it was agreed to advance £5,000,000 to
those three Powers, supposing the war to last u whole
year, and the proportion of two months to Austria
and Prussia, and four months to Russia, to enable
their tro.,ps to return. He had now to says that the
wh le of these sums had been paid, with the excep-
tion of a trifling difference 6f balance to Russia, which
heed tris us out of a slight misunderstanding respect-
ing the Russian fleet which had been in our ports.
Some doubts had arisen as to the party liable to this
expense, and this point war left tobe settled.between
the Noble Lord now at Viel:na and the Russian Gn.
vernment. Tate amount of the sums paidwas in the'
proportion of seven mouths of ; a third of the
45,000,000 to Russia, or AJ,250,000,; and the.
amount art the sum in disvute: might be about,
£lOO,OOO. To Sweden we had stipulated to pay.
41,200,000 or 4100,000 per month, provided the
war lasted a year. By an additional article Sweden
received three months' subsidy for the return of
her mops, besides the five months' payment,
fbr their services, which made in all ,6800,000.—
Ate Danes. by the treaty with them which was men%
tleased in the House last year, were to furnish 10,000'
men, and were ta receive 415.0,000 a-year for their
maintenance. There was also the annual payment to
Sicily of 4400,000. Hanover was to furnish 15,000
men, and receive 447,500; but only a part of this sutp.
had been paid by this country, and even this was to
be refunded; so that ultimately this country would
not bear any part of the expense. Portugal, as had
been often stated, required to be assisted with two
millions a year. With Spain, however, no such rc.
gulation had been made; but 41,000.000 alear had
been given from the vote of credit to Spain, of which
an account bad been kept by the Treasury here, and '
would be produced when wanted. Respecting the
engagement of the subsidiary corps of Hanoverians,
they were at first employed under the Crown Prince'
of Sweden, but they had since been occupied in gar-
risoning the Netherland.. To this corps seven
months' subsidy had been paid—five for their service,
and two for their return : the othor.pagt of the arrange-
Mint be had just explained. The total amount paid
mig,ht- therefore be stated as fellows :
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1,800,800
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150,r,00
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T.ie total sum remaining to be furnished was less
than 17,300,000; so that, with the vote of cred t
passed for the 13,000,000, the failing short was only
4100,000. The Right Honourable Gentleman then
observed, that he had entered into details whi.h were
not strictly connected with the subject b.sire the
Hinise; but till the accounts .:rn:d be completely
made up, a perfect view of the Army Expenditures
could not. possibly be taken; but t;.e asnouat pro-
posed to be voted would about balance the apparent
deficiency. The difference to be made good would
be about £2,000,000, t a liq •idate the remaining ex-
cess of the Army Extraordittaries, and this was what
he now proposed to take. The Right .-Honourable
Gentleman then observe;!, as 2 giound.of high con-
gratulation to the country,• th t awl :considerable
saving of expense had already .I: 11' less, in-
deed than about £2,000r10 a month below that of
last year ; and whenever iorniaat lie passible to bring
die war with .America to a clesa, we shetut/have-the •
prospect of so conaiderahle anedoction ia the public •
charges as to hold out ti.e brightest paospects. It ,
might not be ;4 much to eapack that this realuCtion
would amount VC AreMilfihns mi month. At atesent
we must only leak. to a taintintrtnee of great reef.
tions. The House would hardly think it Itetesaary
that he should.go into any farther slap' inatious at.prea
scot; although' he sltould a:opese sa:tit coagd.:llces
though errt "niy LOt wit*.t b:;l..rie a SIMt. t
as AS,O3O,IXX) for Extraordihary E..lafenfelt of the
ArinY; ••• •• ' • •• • •
Mr. TIER NEY. said, that if ;ever there was a tin*
when.we mast feel rates tegi,tl4 thou at another on a
being told of the necessity It.: new and great exert- -
tions, that occasion was the piesent.', Ali that had
been' said only co:tinned Mtn still 'more id the opi-
nien that the How ought not- to vote the stun that •
was asked* foi widuain those d xiimentary explana-
tions which had been demanded ; or if it dillait would
not do its duty. For it would enable the Right flo.
nourablC Gentleman to come and say at allytaae—.
You vote the Money, for I hive not leisure to
makeup the accounts." It was the t'cu .1 custom,
when anoney was required, to say that great exertions
were necessary, but we now know the meaning of the
phrase. When groat exertions were now spoken of,
it was meant to say---a, they are exertions, of the
extent of which you need not be ilifnrmed, but have
only to meet them by vast supplies." In this way
the Government has dealt unfairly by the House, by
assuming that any engagement, of whatever nature,
which they might think proper to enter into, would
be complied with without inquiry. But he begged
the House to consider whether it were not most ne-
cessary to convince them that they were not to be al-
lowed thus to go on in their career. Fur it was evidtnt
tikaaaao kipg.ilas owned since the (jodi of July wills
teWir aair itiVirthe'potataehrrar *VCR Zarroilr:-.
able 'Gentleman to mote Parliament acquainted.—
But hareturn tor their confatence, he had dealt with
themes if they ought and were accustomed to be
kept in the d.irk. lie would say, as an independent
Member of PJrliatitent, that it was utterly impossible
to go on in-this *ay. Tie Right 1-lan. Gentliiman
puts down twenty millions upon one piece of paper,
and asks foriit viittsisis much ease as when he (Mr.
Tierney) ,firat.tame.into Parliament a hundred Of
two thousands used to be 'asked for by
.Mral'itt, and
this too without answering any of our inquiries as to
what is the work, and who ate the workmen that this
enormous loin is to. pay ? we Make any inquiries,
the answer is—" iriniae: would yon wish to palsy
the arm sal Goireramein?". They now say-46 We
wan; ten millions; furnish es with eight, and we will
give you argupents Err the other twc."—(.Laveuer.)
He unurd say, that if the Howe consented to these
demands, it- would irard in a most ungracioni atti-
tude before the:country. It was pronoutced that • •
great exertioas ware•*neceasary. `lord de we know
what these weal exertions are ? The fact seems to •
have been Atli the 'Right • lionatira'ale Gentleman
was out in his calculations. He has got Parliament
togetheir before Christmas; tirttFbleesuae it -is before
CilliStlMM.ll* this money isuiraated4 we must vote
it without iaak-147. rabr IZia.ovin PIO he; would de.
dine tla.a I.e as not saliatted bl, the smallest wish
to thrOw embarriisaients :n fh nay of GOvernment
hut Ite vioti!d inert, that this WItS tl-ae most tiny/Pet-
ted attempt evermszde upon aheiblindest' confidence
o f Parliament. He would ask wiettlsev time Hanove-
rian troops, in garrison in tee Nellwai.tods formed
part of the seventy-five emousand ineu which we were
bound to keep up by the Treaty of Chatiiisont?-- CThe
CuAK6CLLOR of the EXMCCIVIteraIahATTed IKTOSS. the'
TA* L." Thee eentiouedi • V.A
he hadatood grounds for refusing his eoaajataaa i•
the vote; for he had now ascertained that we vale
to pay these troops—or perhaps we were to be repaid
'by Hanover
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
denied that he had slifil that the money was to be re.
paid by Hanover, but that it would be accounted for
to the country, and one half of it would be repaid.
Mr. TIERNEY.—" Repaid by Hanover ?"
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUE.R.
54 No." .

Mr. TIERNEY.—" That's sufficient for my put-
pose."—(A. laugh.)
Mr. TIERNEY resumed. It then appeared that
Hanover was to have lenity shewn her 'older this
blessed treaty, and we were to pay all R e cxpens;:s
of the 75000 troops ; while because Hanover lLts
been advanced to the dignity of a kiwgdona, she is to
be let off hom her share of the expenses. Did the
Right Houour.thle Gentleman mean to say, that Hat
nover has no mon?), ? Was it not rather bard t.lat
the people of this chuntry slmld be.calbd oa to p..y
away their money in such a manner, when i: is a fact
that every farthing of our outgoings rm.st be nude
good by new tins..? But it was sti:l am re extraordi-
nary that we had to pAy for s!lipping ; and because
some Russian ships had come here, v:e were to pay a
subsidy for shlps of war. [Sv ens

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