Star.
London, England, 1801-03-20 00:00:00

IRISH MASTLR OF THR LOLLS lIILt.

Mr. Hosirouse rofe. He contended that no
office fhould be held by Deputy, and quoted Lord
Chid Jullice Hale in rapport of his opinion. He
reprobated the meafure in the Rrongell terms, and
after repeating and enforcing many of the argu-
ments advanced againfi the Bill, moved, "that
the Bill be read a third time this day Si; mouths.'
Mr. HARRISON raid, he could not help obfer-
ring, that in this till there was a remuneration
to two perfons for life, for the lots of an office
which they held during pleafure.—So that thin
Bill went the length of giving a reward for life,
for the Ida of that which was held during plea-
lure.—That was giving more than was taken
' away. He faw no reaton whatever for making
this remuneration. If the office was a finecura,
and held during plcafure, there could be no pro.
text of rewarding fervices, and the emolument to
be gained, ought to be on the fame tenure under
this Bill, as that which the Bill took away was
under, that is, it ought to be during pleafure.
The Bill as it is now prupofed to be read, was a
meafure which appeared to him to be a profligate
Walk of the public money.
The ATTORNEY GFNICAL ra;el, it would fare a
confiderable deal of time in difcufllng Bills in that
' Honfe, if Honourable Members, before they ob.
jedcd to them, woul.l take the trouble of wading
them. It would appear, that there was not tiee
word about remuneration to any of the CotruniP
(loners of the Rolls in the Bill, from the beginning
of the Bill to the end of it; to that in that refpede
there was no foundation for the objection of the
Honourable Gentleman who (poke laf. As to the
fubjed of findir..± a Deputi to perform the duties
of die office, as it flood in the hands of the two No.
blcmcn who now held it, there was no foundation
for any oblervation but One, which was, that no
public duty attached to the office, for it was a
queen:T.

Mr. Gast was ferry the praaice which pn.
vailed in certain other places, fhould be introduced
into the Hnufc, and reprobated the nk of fpecial
pleading in the dikuffion of any Legiflative mew.
flue. He begged tediCent from the doCtrine that
the Houk were never to travel out of the record*
Led contended that it was their doty to confider
every mcafiire, not only in its letter and fame,
but in its (phis itad copfequestees. The immediate

Confequencc of the Bill we. !An grin. t.a. (elan
ConipcnCation to perfons whiiweri.entitled to
it by no Cervices, •and this toe', .i4p a tanner julli-
&el by no precedent in the, Conflitution. He en-
forced what had been urged by his non. Friend
Who had begun the difetiffion, that no deputy
ought in
,any, cafe to exercife a public office, and
argued, that if ever there was a time when the
Houle ought to be careful in the expenditure of
the public money, it was Cutely at a time when the
People were Coffering under the preffure of enor-
mous taxation. The Bill had been whimlically
enough called a tefiainentary diipofition of the Irifh
Parliament ; but he wiffied to know how far the
1-lonfe were to be bound by adherence to good
faith. If the Parliament of Ireland improperly
agree.; to this difpotition, it was furely the duty
of the I loufe. to revoke their grant. He 'could '
not but objea in the ftrongefl terms to a Bill which
went to render the office of Chancellor of Ireland
a finecure. He law no rcafon why the exercife of
high and important legal duties lhould he given
up for the duties of a politician, and withed that
as far as poeible the judicial and legillative cha-
raCters fhould be feparated. The Lord Chancellor
was at this moment in the enjoyment of 40001. a
year, for the lots of his office of Speaker of the
Houfe—a: fum which was thought fufficient for
thofc who had retired from the office both ofChan-
cellor and Speaker in this country, after a life of
the higheft public utility. He withed to know then
why, if a deputy was neceffitry, this deputy thould
not he paid out of the profits of the Wary enjoyed
by. the Chancellor ? •
Lord CASTLEREAGH raid he law no reafon why
the affiaance thould be refilled to the Irith, which
was granted to the.Englith Chancellor. With re-
'pea to the compenlatton, on which lo much had
been laid, it was granted according to the general
fraeice both in Ireland and this country. He
sollancircl the cafe of thefinecere officers of the
Cu floras:. who had been allowed to retain their
fituation for life. It was the fame thing when a
retrenchment was decided, whether the office was
continued until the &cede of the individual, or
whether he had his falary granted to him for life.
Mr. M. A. TAYLOR (aid, that fame Parliament
wats.firll couftituted, he did not believe that Houfe
had ever witneffed fo flagrant a job. The noble
Lord did well to keep out of the fight of the
Houfe in what manner this Bill had originated.
He would venture to fay& thatlf thefe two noble
Lords, who were Conaraiffioners of the Rolls, had
oppofed the Union, they would have loft their
places; and if three months previous to that event
taking place, two others had been appointed, the
confequence would have been, they would have
gained.each an SILA011k• for having held •a place
three months, in which they had nothing to do but
to fign a receipt for the falary they had received.
But lie could fee very well through the whole of
this arrargement, fo amiably made ;--the perfon
now to be appointed Mailer of the Rolls had re-
ceived a promife, .that the office thould be made
efficient, with fuch a falary, fo that it wit, in fad,
providing for three perfons inflead of two. This'
he knew to be the cafe; he defied the noble Lord
to deny it, for he believed be could name to him
the very perfon who is •to be appointed to the of- I
flee. However-young the noble Lord might be,
he teemed to have been educated in the belt fchool
of corruption he hid ever heard of. He coula
not avoid faying this, notwithitanding the refpel
he had for the noble Lord (a laagb), he could
afure the noble Lord he did highly refpeft him ;
and he declared that he had never heard the doc-
trines of corruption defended with fo much plea-
fantnefs and eloquence as by the noble Lord.
Mr: Roes laid, that the Committee appointed
to enquire into places in the Cufloms had aeif •
to let the perfons who held places they confidered
tumecefary; continue to do fo during life. •
Mr. Joao sox contended, that offices held by
perfons (pending their youth, in- the tervice, were
very different from the comproCarion propofed by
the prefent Bill, he therefore fupported the Amend-
ment.

Mr. Trawstarr Jomes..-4 agree in the propo-
rtion that this bill ought to be read lie months
hence. 1 agree that at is almoli impoffible to de-
fine a term rofficiently ftrong for fuel a bill as this
is. Here are compenfations „about to he granted
annuities, which, foppofing they might be dif.
pofed of at twenty years purchafe, of which I have
no doubt, they *odd be 'Worth yo,Oool. What,
Mill the Hot& confent to barthen the public with
Each a lion as this, at a time when fasseiue has
reached the gatec of the Metropolis? When the
Houle has.been fitting in a Committee on famine?
Would it not be better to lay out this firm in bread?
If we go on in this way the people will not hear it.
I beg the Houk will paufe, and not let one of the
Aril ads of. the Union Parliament be an a& to
grind the people, and to pamper the Nobles of the
land, motto, ituftead of receiving falarics for doing
nothing, ought to terve the public if it be in their
power, without any emolument. If I were thought
worthy to ferve the. public, though I am a man
with a family, and polrefs but a moderate income,
I would.do it for nothing. I would, beg the No-
ble Lord, inftcad of forcing a bill of this kind
through. the Houk , to bring in a bill to apply the
money for the relief of the people.
Mr. DA vac's conlidered the rneafure as coupled.
and identified with the Union; he had oppofod it
in the Parlbunent of Ireland. It was a nseafure
of compenfation that had grown out of the Union,
or rather, the Union had grown out of the com-
penfation. ConfiderinLttletis own country was
to r y the whole of the n, he thought it his
duty to oppofe it; it was his duty to oils-a to the
grant of a film, which, if properly applied, might
r_event the effeas elfitaine. When the Office .of
Mader of the Rolls was held by Mr. Rigby, he
received a compenfation for the purpofe of creat-
ing an efficient Mailer of the Rolls. It was after-
wards given to the Duke of Leinfter, another in-
efficient officer, who having the misfortune to
differ with Government upon an important quer-
tit,o, that Noble Duke was difmifed, and the Of-
fice was given to the Noble Lord, to whom it was
anw propofed to give a feeond eornpenfation.—
'rhos, Ireland would be doubly ying compenfa-
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fay ftis elleetn for the charade? of t;'e Lird.Chan-
cellor of Ireland, and declared, li! ;::•uthl 'otot give
his vote ag.t oft him upon the preie:a oce.i.lon, if
he did not coneeireit his duty.
Mr. GEORGE PONSONRY. I beg ff.'^ indulgence
of the Hoe: to fay a few, words on this Bill. It
has been laid, Sir, this is a teltamentary difpofition
of the Parliament of Ireland. I can :ilfure the
Houfe, Sir, and the People of England, that if
they do fucceed to the full power of jobbing, which
prevailed in the Irifit Parliament, that they have
obtained a moft unfortunate legacy.—(A loud cry
off bear!) But I apprehend, that before the
Houfe accede to this Bill, they ought to enquire
how far it is the refult of national engagements,
as well, as how far it may be productive of public
utility? If the public, Sir, arc to receive any
benefit from the Bill, they muff receive it by the
greater facility that will he given to the difpatch
of public bufinefs. The firfi thing which the Houfe
ought to be afcertained of, is, whether the Noble
Lord has proved that the meafure is neceffary ?
He has fpoken of the neceility of an alfeffor ; but,
that perfon whom he chufes to denominate an
affelfor, I hold to be a deputy. Fur what other
name can fo well defcribe the charaCter of a perfon
who executes all the duty of another, as the name
of deputy ? Hitherto, Sir, there has been no de-
puty judged neceffary to perform the ditties in-
cumbent on the Chancellor of Ireland. Has the
Noble Lord been empowered then to tell the
Houle, that the appointment of Inch a deputy is
now necelfary ? Has the Noble Perfon who is
principally concerned in this matter, told him drat
the lay Lords' who have hitherto acted as Com-
miffioners of the Rolls, are to he provided for in
the manner which this Bill eflablillies ? Does he
mean, Sir, to I-art.:Rion this job on the authority of
the Noble Lord, and to tell the Honfe that this
Bill has originated in any with for the appointment
of a deputy ? I am convinced, Sir, that the Bill
has originated in no filch communication. I
will flake my life on it, that the Noble Lord never
authorifed him to bring forward any fuch Bill,
which under the pretext of providing for the better
difpatch-of bufinefs, has for its real objet the con-
venience of two individuals. If this then is the
cafe, I can perceive no neceffity exifting for the ap-
pointment of fuch a deputy. I have often, Sir, at-
tended the Court where the Nob] e Lord pre faded, and
I have neverfeen any proofs of his inability to execute
all the duties of his important office. I have neverfeen
h im depart from the c on rt at th e en d of a term leaving
fingle.motion'or caufe undeCided. On the con-
trary, Sir, I have ever Peen that he always went
through the duties of his high office in a way which
gave complete fatisfaaion. Of the neceffity of the
Bill, or of the compenfation by which it is to be
accompaniqd, I therefore can difcover no evidence
which ought to fatisfy the Houfe. The Noble
Lord who has brought in the Bill, has fated, how-
ever, that it is nothing unufual in the praCtiee of
this Houfe to grant compenfations to thofe whole
office is to be dtfcontinued. An Honpurable Gen-
tleman has laid,. that on the Report of the Com-
mittee of Finance, which declared certain offices
to be unneceirary and burdenfome to the public' it
was judged expedient that their falary fhould be
continued. The Noble Lord Pays that the com-
penfation now to be given is extaly the fame.
But, Sir, I hold they are not the fame, unlefs the
Noble Lord can thew that one and two are the
fame. The Committee recommended .the aboli-
tion of certain offices, and for this purpofe thole
who then held them, though left in poffeffion of
their falariesocere not to have any fitccefrors ap-
pointed. By this meafure, however, the Noble
Lord propofes that a compenfation is to be given
for the Cervices of perfons unqualified for their
fituation, and to fupply this deficiency he withes
another perfon to be appointed to their office,
with a clan& falary ; and then he tells the Houle
that one aniftwo are exaalT the fame. But, Sir,
the Noble Lord tells us that in good faith the Houfe
is bound to adopt this martin:. I think you will
agree with me in this, that the acceffary muff fol-
low the nature of Its principle. Now, Sir, I Ihould
be glad to know what good reafons can be produced
in favour of the arrangement that took place in the
Irifh Parliament, on the fubjea of compenfation ?
It is neceffary firfi to be fatisfied on this point, be-
castle if Parliament do not pats this Bill the job
mil fall to the ground. How then, Sir, was the
public faith pledged ? I believe, Sir, it was pledg•
ed to carry the meafure of the Union. (Hear !
Near !) If the Noble Lords, who are quite ina-
dequate to the fituation they nominally filled,
however ref peBable they may be in other points of
view, had, inftead of fupporting this meafure,
ventured to give it a decided oppofition, I will
put it to the feelings and the fenfe of the Houfe,
whether facts, a meafure as this would have been
produced/ When this then is the cafe, and when
no neceffity whatever exilled for the meafure in
I Soo, or in any former year (ince the appointment
of the prcfent Chancellor, I ihould be glad to know
what has made it neeellary in sew ? I call on the
Noble Lord, Sir, to lay his hand on his heart, and
fay that the measure of Union was carried with-
out jobs and corruption of this nature. An Ho-
nourable Gentleman lays, that the Noble Lord is
the apteft (choler he has ever Corn bred in the
Jihad of: corruption. What fchool the Noble
Lord was bred in I will not pretend to determine
but this I will fay, Sir, that young as he is he has
a very quick capacity for taking leffons of this
kiwi—Before I fit down let me add, that if the
Parliament of England deal with Ireland as the
bilk Parliament dealt with it, the people of Eng•
land will have as little reafon to regret the lofs of
their Parliament as the people of Ireland had to
regret the diffoltition of theirs.
Lord CASTLERTAGH role in explanation, and
laid the meafure had met the concurrence of the
Noble Lord (Clare.)
Mr. Pommies, denied having faid the Bill had
not the content of the Lord Chancellor of Ire-
land ; he had afked if he demanded the meafure
as one of neceflity ? He concluded by giving his
fupport to the Amendment.
Mr Eaves, in. a fpeeth of eonfiderable length,
anted the grounds of his oppofition to the
He could not help thinking, that at a time when
the People of Irsliad were labosaiss under fever; ,

• difircifes, thelbufe oneh,. not to grant di r of
ee,,, to a Hlearitr:whic:i "did not appear to he in
tended as a remuneration fur inipor;.ott fervices,
but a C ttpenl tiuu to perfons who 'Acre rliil;:ife,l•
Iv ufelef,., as far as refpeiled flat fituation which
they had filled. 'fit vas iwt-zifiry that they lhould
be compenfated, he was convinced this could he
better done in other ways than that now proposed ;
and conceiving the Bill thus connefled with cir-
cumliances of unnecelfary burden to the Public, he
felt it to he his duty to refill it. If it Should after
wards be lodged neceffary to appoint at efficient
Mailer of the Rolls, this might be brought before
the Houfe in a more unexceptionable form, and
the Houfe would, with more continency, be ena-
bled to entertain its difenflion. In conclusion he
maintained, that viewing this meafure as the tella-
mentary difpofition of the hint Parliament, he
could not help confidering it as what the Roman'
lawyers denominated harreditas dainuoja, and as fuch
he trolled it would be rejefted.
Mr. TIERNEY defied the Noble Lord to pro-
duce a tingle inflance of a limil tr compenfition
having ever been propofed or adopted ; and eon-
fidering the meafure as a mull unjuftitiable job, it
had his decided reprobation.
Mr. NICHOLLS Lid he had voted for the Union,
but if many fuch legacies as this were bequeathed
by the I Parliament, he lhould be ashamed of
his vote. He had voted for the Union becaufe he
conceived it neceffary to prevent a feparation be-
tween the two countries, and an union with our
common enemy. It was avowed indeed, llia, jobs
. would be nccelfary, but fatisfied of the imp, •t Lance i
of the meafure, he was willing to wink. at thou,
and tbnfolesi hirnielf with the teflalior, that lex
frprona Jl j;ilur Hu/i. He had fiord, however,
that they would be all carried iu tie flint P.O ha-
ment, and that itslios would terminate with its ex-
iftenee. But, what was this bill but a bribe to two
Noble Lords who had no other merit but their fup-
port of the Union I It was laid that the but den
would affal Ireland only, but was it Lion n that
Ireland w.. 1. at this moment labouring tinder a fa-
mine ? He called on the Hattie to refill: the mea-
fure, and to be careful of degrading themielves in I
the opinion of the People.
Mr. ALE x ANDRIL fupportcd the neceflity of the
meafure, which was agreed to in the prefence of
so lawyers, none of whom oppoted the neceffity of
appointing an efficient Mailer of the Rolls-.
Dr. LAWRENCE laid, he knew no precedent to
the mcafure propofed, but one, the molt nearly
allied to it he conceived might be found in the will
Of Mirabcau, who as a legacy bequeathed his debts
to a friend. If the queftion before the Houfe had
elated merely to the appointment of an efficient
ailer of the Rolls, he Should not have conceived ;
necelEtry to have oppofed it, but connected as
the Bill was with the moll flagrant and ihameftil
corruption, he was bound to murk it with his molt
ilecided hollility. Becaufe the trill' Parliament
had chofen to accede to the meafitre, that was no
good reason why the Houfe Should involve them-
(elves, by puffing the Bill, in a there of the difgra;:e.
Mr. Talmo& (an Ira Member), hoped the
Houfe would• take the advice of an Honourable
Gentleman ( Ntr. Ponfontsy),and not pats the Bill.
Mr. Brno/slur Paid, lie had been 24. years a
Member of Parliament, and this Bill he conlidered
to be die molt objationable that ever, during that
period, had been introduced into the Hogfe. He
had voted far the Union; but not pledged himfelf
to fupport corruption: he could not accede to a
meafure founded in 'fuch enormous corruption as
that noV., brought forward, and that too in the
able nee of the warmell advocate of the Union,
(Mr. Pitt) or of any other perfons veiled with re-
fponlibility.
Mr. PIERRE POINT raid, that though he had been
only ten years a Member of Parliament, he could
agree with the Honourable Gentleman that this
was a mofl difgraceful meafure. So much was he
convinced that the relation of it was neceffary to
vindicate the honour of the Houle, that even if he
were left alone in a divifiun, he Should feel it his
duty to vote for its relation.
Mr. Roßins laid, the confequences of the pre-
fent Bill were neither more nor lets than faddling
this country with the paymeut of a penfion of
35001. per annum, to be levied by taxes im-
poled upon ',cook who can bear no more.—
He was warranted by what had fallen from
a refpetta4e and di ilinguilhed ill:water, Sir John
Parnell, the late Chancellor of the Exchequer of
Ireland, in the debate a few evenings ago, to af-
fat that the proportion Ireland WAS to pay
of the general expellee was two-fifteenths, which
that Gentleman affitred the Houfe would by no
means deft ay the espences of Ireland. The pennon,
therefore, would of necality be taken (non the
pockets of the people of this country, and to
whom paid ?—To noble Lords, one of whom has
already a finecure penfion of 40001. per annum.
Out of-what is it paid? out of the Income Tax,
levied upon people of 6o or 701. a year. To de-
fcribe the Situation of fuch people was neekilefs
any Gentleman, who would take hi; pencil' and
calculate the daily expellees of a man with fo
(mall an income, who has a wife and three or
four children, would find that he could afford
neither meat nor beer. Gentlemen, who daily
fit down to good dinners with wine, might
(mile at this account of diftrefs ; but he be-
fetched them to lay their hands on their hearts,
and to reflai whether they could jullify themfelves
to vote a Penfion which is to be paid out of new
Taxes fuch as thofe laid upon felt and tea ? Mr.
Robfon concluded with oblerving, that he thought
the million and a half granted by Ireland to
the Members of that Parliament, for the pur-
chafe of the people, would have been enough
to have fatified every body: Though he was not
peefent to deliver his fentiments on the martial law
Bill, he detelled the meafure, but not fo much as he
did the prefent job. The one was to be of Short
exiftence, as he nippored to hail only during the
kme of the free difcuffion of the great queftion of
Catholic Emancipation. The other was to be per-
petual, and to eftablifh a penfion railed by taxes
in the times of general diftrefs, and granted to
ferve the purpofes of corruption. •
Mr. WILIIIRTORCE, though he was aottred
to *ten that eta acing Maker of the

Trtlan d won!J no; lat extremely cx pedit lit, thought
that under the eheiindiances n bielt the Bill 04-
ginated, it had a t, I,l,:riel, to excite a tillpicion,
that it %vas ni.r Iti,;.%eit.-d by motives of pubic
but private C‘,lllenience. Conceiving that
if hereafter it fhoold lit judged proper to make fuch
.in appointment, the Butte woold be perfally
open to receive a nitaion for this purpofe, and be-
that no danger, would refult from a (bort
delay, he felt it his duty to oppofe the Bill in its
prtifent form.
Mr. YORKE contended that all that was then
lx:fore the Houle was, whether it would be ex-
pedient to have an eriicient Matter of the Rijls in
Ireland ? For the accommodation of the public as
well as of the Lord Chancellor, there was no
doubt of the propriety of appointing fuch an olscer.
As to the collateral matters which had been allud-
ed to, he was altogether ignorant of them. He
knew of nothing that had been done to bring about
the Union in Ireland but what he had heard of in
that Houle. That compenfation had been voted
to the late Noble Commidioriers of the Rolls, there
was no doubt,and the BritilhYarliameht was bound
to make it good to them.
Mr. Jam s Magna faid, he was glad to fee in-
dependent Gentlemen who had been in the habit
of lupporting Minillers, now ftepping forward to
reprobate this meafttre. It certainly, howayer,
mutt meet with reprobation front every one pot'.
kffed.of the leapt deg::: of patriutifm, or the leail
lode Ott deem um.

Sir j.m PARN:.1.1,1.141 it was becaufe he Al
know what palled in helmd, that he oppofed this
Bill. It wa, part of a fyitem of corruption which
he had always oppofed, and which he would con.
ftantly perlift in oppofing. Many of the latter
tranilielions of the Iriih Parliament, indeed, de-
ferved the epithet of ditgraceful, but the Parlia-
ment had not always been thus corrupt. It had
once enjoyed the confidence of the people, and de-
ferved to enjoy it. It continued honeft till the late
adminiftration debauched it. He fpol.•e with con.
fiderable warmth in reply to fume things which
had fallen from Mr. Nicholls. Could this Parlia-
ment, he afked, be difgrated by a tranfaaion
which would not have difgraced the Parliament of
Ireland ? What was corruption and jobbing in one
country, was the lime all the world over. lie
had oppofed the Union as thinking it dangerous to
the confiitution of both countries, but he fhould be
glad to find !timid/ in a Houle difpofed to remedy
evils which lie muff ever deplore.
Sir W. EL FORD laid he fhould vote for the Bill,
but he begged it might be underflood on what
ground he gave his vote. He thought the office
a proper one to be eflablifbed, and the funs a rea-
fonable one to be allowed to him who is to fill it.
Tilde were the only two things that he had taken
into confider:L.-ion, and which, in his opinion, the
Houle ought to confider.
The Hattie then divided, when there appeared
—Ares 61—Noes 42—Majority againft the A-
I rr.::ndment t 9.
The Bill was accordingly read a third time, and
Lord CASTLF.RFAGII moved, that it do pals—
when a fecund divition took place—Ayes 62
Noes 41—\faiority as.
It was expccied that the Houle wouldhave again
divided upon the tit!: of the Bill, but the tide was
not oppofed, and Lord CAftlereagh was ordered to
carry it to the I.ords for their concurrence.

THIRD SFCRIETARY Of STATE.

On re-entering the gallery we found is RYDRIt
fpeaking on the fubjeet of the appointment of his
Noble Friend ( Load Flawkc!bury) to the Office of
Third Secretary of State.—He praifed the conduit
of his Noble Friend, conceiving nothing could be
more fair or more honourable than the manner in
which his Noble Friend had brought this quell-ion
before the Houfe to be decided. It was extremely
difficult to give a preciti: definition to the Ad,
(alluding to that commonly called Mr. Burke's
Bill) since it might b,: concluded from the word.
in g of it, that it applied to that Secretary of State
who fhould be thirdly appointed. According to
this a Noble Duke (the Duke of Portland) would
have been, if a Commoner, difqualified as '1 bird
Secretary of State from fitting in that Houfc. He
thought, however, it never could have been the
intention of the framers of the Aft that it fhould
operate in this way, and he conceived that his
Nobic Friend had accepted no office which ought
to diflualify him from fitting in that Houfe.
After r,vietting the Aa might be read, which was
accordingly done, pro prma, he moved, " That
Lord Hawkeibury is c..pable of being a Member
of the Houle, notwithflanding his acceptance of
the Office of Third Secretary of State."

Mr. Bouv eats objeeted toeftablilbing a prece-
dent in that Houle contrary to Law. He thoaght
the quellion ought to be diftufred on a motion for
a new Writ.
The Srrai; re obferved that the Houfe had Come-
times adopted the mode propofed by the motion,
and fometinies that ailuded to by the laft Honour.
able -Gentleman.
Mr. TIER >4 F. v adverted to the direttfGem which
formerly took place on the queltion, whether Mr.
Dundas had been difqualificd from fitting in that
Houle by having accepted the appointment of
Third Secretary of State ? Contending that Mr.
Dundas was difqualified, II; was anfwered, that
the Secretary of State who was to fl appointed, was
the Third Secretary of Stele. Upon this principle
it was evident that Lord Hawkefbury was not dd.
!ince he v‘-as not the Lea appointed. He
did not mean to oprofe the motion for the re-
entrance of Lord Hawkefbury, as he (hould be
glad to fee a Minatcr in any !lupe return to the
Hove. He thought, however, the Hon. Gentle-
man who brought forward the motion fhouldhave
Come little fceling for Mr. Dua das, who, as it ap-
peared from this motion relative to his fucceffor,
having fat in the Houk
inev;tablyh ruine whilit te Thidrd
by Secre-
,' tary of State, mutt be the
penalties to which he (Mr. Dundas) had fubjefted
himfell by the Act now referred to. He really felt
Corry for th it Right Hon. Centicman(Mr. Dundas),
to whom all enmity on his part was now at an end,
fine all the recent liberality of the Eat-India
Company would be infufficient to pay the penal.
ties incurred by that Right Hon. Gentleman. He
thought, however, it would be.well fir the Hoe&