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sons in that Parliament—no, not in that one; but In the
last—(A lenigh)—that swore that th ey were worth SOO.
a yearm lands and tenements. when the fact was, thati
soteteof them were-netirotth chit others,
bhd oeitlierlands nor tentments.(Almgh): TO-take;
smother- instance; .Sir—ithese is no protession in. this
country so honourable as that of arms; , and no doubt
dime are natnrgallaat Qfficereptesent ready to express
tbesstestrse abhorrent" **she perjury- of thepeasantrrof
elitnttr- but then very., men are among. the first
who pledge their solemn word and honour, they don't
swear it; indeed, for swearing is out of their element—
(4 jay;-nbut thee) pied.ge their solemn word and
honour, that in purchasing a commission thin gave
No. ribre• titan the.. tegulation, though at the time
they well knew that it would have been actually
4regpeullble to hare obtained it without paying
ett- Nest dhuble--(hear, hear). —As yet I here only
spoken of Laymen—(-I lairgh).a-bot I feel grieved—
Inexpressibly grieved—thar the Church itself is not
without this stain ; t feel' grieved at it, for it will take
away a good deal from the force of he argument of
those persons whom my Honourable Friend, the Mem-
bee for Knaretboroogh, has described as Gentlemen
wearing the curious dress in the Upper House. How
will those Reverend Gentlemen be able to express the
ilk abhorrent they entertain against such a crime,
when they themselves slip in one particular, which, if it
tie a sin in a Layman, must be ten thousand times
Crone meta Priest? yet they solemnly declare, in the
prareneir of their Go*, that when they are called upon
rte' accept a living of, perhaps, 4,0001. a year, that at that
'Wry instant they feel' inwardly moved by the HOLY
CIBQST to accept the office and administration thereof,
and that they accepted it fOr no other reason what-
soever. • Certainly their reasons do not appear to me
very difrichlt to uirderstand—(4 laugh)—but I dare say
they are well calculated for the ends they may have in
view—(4 laugh) .—I shall say nothing, Sir, of Custom-
Bola! oaths, for they go to the swelling of the Revs-
lqugh).—lt has been said that the introduc-
• Übe. off. '
this measure is to smooth the way for the
Catholic Emancipation Bill; and certainly, if there were
anything in the whole .world that could influence my
. mind to adopt the-mem-me, it would be that contidera-
tion—(Hear, hearl—Atid, before I proceed any fur-
there allow me, Sir, to bear testimony to the high
veneration :with which I have all along regarded the
. ,authorities: With which this Bill has come backgd to
the, House Of:donimons—(Hear, hear, hear).—lt has
receive.' the sanction of the Right Honourable the At-
torney-General for Ireland, whose motives in so doing
Must have been the purest and the best; it has come
backed with the scarcely inferior sanction of my Hon.
Friend the Member for Westminster, who has bowed
to the measure, and been induced to support it- from
his vehement desire to befriend Ireland in what he be-
lieves to be her most important interest—(Hear, hear).
And, lastly, I am inclined to listen with all possible re-
spect, and to bow with still greater reverence—to the
testimony borne by the Right Honourable Baronet
(Sir J. Newport) whoa its near me, and who has dis-
tinguished himself as a most eminent Statesman—
(Hear, hear), whether in office or out of office—whe-
ther in regard to the empire at large, or hip own dear
and beloved country, acting so as to enrol his name'
with that of Grattan himself in the everlasting gratitude.
of that Nation—(Hear, hear). When I. find such tes-
timonies as these in favour of the Bill, I confess I
fed staggered in my opinion, and almost inclined to
say that I will vote for it blindfold ; and if any
_authority in or out of this House could sanction
such a vote, it would be this; but I cannot help
feeling convinced, that the adoption of the Bill would
do anything rather than conciliate the affections of the
Catholic peasantry of Ireland—(Hear, hear, hear)—
which is so much and so fervently the object of my de-
sire--(Hear, hear). At present, the poor freeholder of
Ireland gives his•vote as his landlord bids, once in seven
_years, sad that obedience secures his being well treated,
and his continued occupatimi of the land. For the
o?inion of Mr.O.ronnell I have a very high valtie, and
consider the confidence reposed in him by his country-
=en one Of the best pledges that Ireland had ever sent
ow to this country in token of peace end good-will ;
but even allowing all that, it is not is Mr. O'Cannell's
power to say," passthellill, and I will undertake to make
at popular io Ireland:' for bow would it sound in the
ears of she peasantry, *ere they to be toldthat the higher
branches of the Catholics had got a measure -passed,
• by means of which those higher latnan Catholics were
tole admitted to the advantages of the Bar, the Bench,
and the United Parliament, and tits .the only conces•
sidle made for the obtaining of that. menet.% - was the
giving up their right to vote at tharGenesal Elections?
I will venture to fay it down as -a general and unal:
.fiartgble.rale, shatao system can be more wise or more
wholesome, than that irt;cmteiass any great measure to
he adopted or rejected sus. its own naerti.s (Hear), and not
em the merits of ouotbac—(oo4-,-Our nice-stars
4hie -Hasse have *limp been ,419at.cnntiups.in ;meddling
with eke right of anfranchimagent, :particularly so'
when it has in any stay ,been propoped to extend
Let nu:remind the -Hose oldie case of Grampound, al
bsilc borough of perbints no,paerethautwentror thirty
queers ; that although :the corruption was distinctly-
'. proved, the'Hoose insisted on Counsel and evidence,
Andulhansanal other things ,befote it would.deprive it'
ofthat sight, hich itdtasitaci joatle fo fit il. There
mero no-bandtedir thrown intotihoseham or Aylesbury,
anti thcslisfranchisement of Ibielistonchad even been re-
jected.; AM ,yet the .kipmels so teady to enter into this
An 'elite Principle? IS this consietAlleY ? II
laritierthe Rouse farther back, to the time of William
111. I may particularly notice the Splitting Act, the•
author otwhigh islord:Sonlers, and in his Tracts a.note
of his was found added, containing ,his opinion, from
. VlM** appealed:that theeewas nP doniat.ofs leis feeling,
tbeing alesiderily inifavoorief such a measure as, thi.s ;
gbut she 1811 l was never introduced as a bribe or .a
hake weight, :for if vie look to the whole history of
Ala illessunt, .we thot ;the great question,
Ilizgleast awes that of. -,Patliamestacy Reform.—•
I thelloasking too neoolretben Loaner:4ol@HOUß
*to go. into wet' inquiry "faith -every degree of .delinesate
attentiori, and with the .4trralgest desire to come out of:
impressed .with tire. beliefthaLthis Bill. ciefaht3"3. pass ?
it isantotly impossible:that lan mete tor this. Bill•
irefote inquiry,-anti when we are aecosaasity. ignorant of
the ,whole .matter. 'Nu two Avitne,sses agree the
44ject; eAlilY are inconsigent with themselves ; no two:
• ""eettaemtl NM:lreland in•this House, I will venture
Ant,4014111411 alas Unit thliniQa, either as to the fan*
-en thei remedy: for ghe,,e4ege4, grimace. C n there beg
-whetter ground for calling' upon Parliament to . pacoe..
soli to fill the:pause by going into a Committee on•tbis'
subject? The f.cts before us are few ; consistent
statemeots there are none; a thorough investigation
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duty it was to inquire, but from the course Which the Right Hon. Seeintery is, no doubt, administered to me
niat
.L.u, sre took_
_nu topics of a mole_m pp' nature. frith greet sincerity; but, in my view of this question,
The concil ion
of Ireland is the grand object which the subject to which / *hided f•• -
ashai-e_iiiriear in_ carrying the Catholic 11:11. Will element in, it. Willoni i aunts most important
man tell me that.be has-no,
any man in this Muse, be. bpld enough to say, that if nonfident hopes oftive-Cathelic Qeestion ? We are told
this Bill is passed, and the Catholic Question is carried that we are not to try the question of the4o3.freeholderi
too, the latter measure conferring_ immediate benefit on on its own merits, but that the measure is expedients
a .
portion of the Aristocracy, and the former at best because it will ensure the passing of the Cathohe Bill ?
Only conferring an indirect benefit on the- bulk of the This argument might have been used 24 hours ago,
community, which benefit it requires reasoning to but does any man believe, alter what has passed, that
rove, and which has been denied by the evidence of the enactment of this measure will be sure to carry the
Mr. O'Connell, for he thinks the.nseasure a i,l be inju- Catholic Bill ?—(Clieera) • D.ses any man believe that
rinus to the mass of the population—l say, will any the ominous news of this day, which has gone forth
man venture to contend, that if both Bills are passed, to England and Ireland, will not ring the knell of de-
one will recommend the other, and both be equally spair in the ears of the Cathnlecs ?—(ffear, hear, hear)
palatable to the bulk of the community ?-,-(1 leer, hear). This is a consideration which_ cannot but operate upon
If any man bas the boldness to say so, I envy his con- my mind, and, which ought to-operate en this House.
fidence and his intrepidity as a prophet, but I have no The conclusion which I draw from it is this—you hive
respect for him as a reasoner, and I cannot take him for now a distinct warning ; you have fair and honest notice
my guide. If we wish to conciliate Ireland, let the of what you must expect. Want of honesty,want of frank-
great question be carried without any adjunct—let new, want of conscientiousness, is the last charge which
it be pure, simple, unadulterated, unaccompanied with I will, bring against any man—l will not go nearer than
any measures, called indeed auxiliary, but calculated this--(A laugh). But you may have obstinate cons&
to act as trammels, . and such a concession cannot entiousness ; you may hive undesiating honesty and
fail to conciliate Ireland, because it will be a pledge frankness of the boldest, and at the same time the most
of our good intentions towards her. But if we alarming character. No Monarch wbp ever sat on the
send this measure over to Ireland, coupled with English Throne ever yet prepared himself for such re-
another, adopted without inquiry, and opposed by sistance to the people in behalf of the Catholics, as, that
the evidence of Mr. O'Connell, who declared that it which was now brewing against the Catholics. I give
Would be injurious to the interests of a large mass of you this warning ; I appeal to Ireland -and to Irish
the population of Ireland, is there not the strongest Members; Ido not believe that anything will carry
reason to believe that Catholic Emancipation would, this question except a powerful House. Instead of a
under such circumstances, be undervalued, nay, that majority of 27 Members of this House, to save the em-
it would. be itapopular, and that its unpopularity would Aire hem conyulsioo, which, within the last 24 hours,
arise irom this unconstitutional adjunct? Such, I con- has become ten thousand times more petrifying to
fess, are my forebodings on this subject. But who will the imagination ; I believe nothing can save /reland—
insure me that, even if I were disposed to vote for this nothing can preserve the tranquillity of Itetaedland save
measure (and I'do not say I oppose it, because I know England from new troubles, but a large increase of the
nothing about it), who will insure me, that even if we majority on this question—( Hear, (tear, hear). Now,
compromise our duty by passing this Bill without in- is your time—this reign is your time—( Loud sled cent&
quiry , the Catholic Bill 'will be carried ? We are need cheering). Yet a little while, and it will be too
reckoning without our host, or at all events we are I.te, and the time will be gone, and gone for ever:—
reckoning without our Lords. It is not for me to allude "Yet a little slumbering—a little sleep—a little folding
to what passei in another House of Parliament, but I of the hands to sleep," as you have been doing Session
will lay that I have heard of passages delivered in ano- after Session, and Parliament after Parliament, for the
ther place which give me an alarm not only for the last twenty years, and you will find intolerance and des-
good government of Ireland, but for the safety of the potism come upon us like an armed man, and the op-
Constitution of this Country, for the stability of the portunity of pacifying Ireland, and of saving England,
Monarchy of this Country as by law established, and will depart from your grasp for ever—(Loud cheers).—
settled at the Revolution of 1688—(Loud and continued If I were a lover of discord—(There was laughter here
cheers). Sir, they gave me so deep and serious an from some Members on the Ministerial Benches.—Mr.
alarm, that I protest before Goo, I could not believe BitoUGHAM paused a few moments and then continued)
my ears when the news was first brought to me— Sir, lam not a lover of discord, and those perhaps who
(Hear, hear, hear); I thought it impossible to be true ; consider me so, are only not lovers of discord, because
I thought the Papers most be filled with false and ca- they prefer, to what they call discord and commotion,
lumnious libels, for what man living could at *me believe that a the solitude, which absolute, unthinking obedien-e pays ,
Prince of that House. which sits upon the Throne by the Re• to unmitigated despotism. I respect all men's con-
volution of 1488, should promulgate to the world that, happen what
sciences. GOD forbid that I should not give to their ho-
would, when he came to fill another station---
Mr. PLUNKETT rose amidst the most enthinits- nest differences of opinion that toleration which I
tic cheering from some parts of the House, and cries challenge. for myself. I have said that a want of
of "Order" from other parts. As soon as silence was re, conscientious honesty and frankness is the last charge
stored—the Honourable Member said—when he found which I would bring against any man, either within ,
hit Hoqourable and Learned Friend proceeding to al- th‘se walls, or out of doors ; but I have lived long
lade to what bad recently passed in the other House enough to know that most antagonists, provided they
of Parliament, and to designate the person to whom be not honest, enlightened men, are very often the most
his observations applied, in terms which could not be perverse and pertinacious antagonists, and that all
misunderstood, he felt it to be a duty which he owed hopes of reclaiming' them from their errors, so help
to that House, to the Illustrious Personage alluded to, them GOD, is impossihle—(Lamghter and cheers). It
and to that great cause in which even now he did not becomes us then " to set our House in order betimes,"
cease to think his Honourable and Learned Friend sin- and to recollect, that if we carried up the Bill, on a
cerely interested, to .prevent him from continuing a former occasion, with a majority of nineteen, and it
course of observations in his present heat of temper, failed in ;he House of Peers then, there is ten thousand
which, he was satisfied, he would. in his calmer mo- fold the necessity for taking this last opportunity of
ments regret. - bringing the question to a conclusion, because an event
The SPEAKER said, that if the anticipations of the may happen—Goo knows how soon or how late, but
Right Ron. and Learned Member (Mr. pinnitett) as to the mane GOD forbid that it should be soon—(Lostd_cheers)—
of observations which he thought the Hon. and Lamed Member when you will have no longer the option. When, even
(Mr. Brenham) was about co panne, were carnet, there could be if the Bill should be carried—not by a majority of
no question as to the irregularity of sash a coons of observations. nineteen or twenty-seven—but by an unanimous vote
Mr. BROUGHAM resumed—l doubt not that the
course which the Right Hon. and Learned Member has of kith Houses of Parliament, and the voice of the
whole country—even if the country streamed with
thought proper to take, was meant to be perfectly kind
and courteous towards me, and also entirely judicious, blood, the measure could not be effected except by an
inseparable breach of the Crown. Let me intreat, let
as it respects the great question of which be is the ad- me implore the House, then, to be wise in time, and
wean,. At the same time, I mast, at least, be allowed
to say thus much, that the proceeding was premature. pass this Bill. Let us reject this adjunct, and so put
aside that which is calculated only to lead to liillSeDll a
Ile interrupted me Isefore.the period of disorder which =ma the friends of the measure, and to triunes most its ene.
he anticipated had arrived ; that is undeniable; and mks. Let us reject that which i; calculated to impede the success
you, Sir, have decided that disorder was not committed,
tdo ithe't artrt questim—ifeetwTadisicsardp whats"snadacit properly
aluable, belong
but but only anticipated by the Right Hon. and Learned avail ' ourselves, berfore it be too late, *hie opportunity of carrying
Member. Now, in this House, I apprehend no Mem- a measure which may restore Inland to peace and prosperity, and
bet has a right .to interrupt another, merely because he save England from the of a convidsion. (The Hon. and
expects that that other Member is going to be disor- Learned Gentleman eat dc amid lead and continued chesdni4
derly —(A ktugh).—This may have been the usage in Sir J.NEWPORT said, the question before the House,
the Parliament of which the Right Honourable and independent of the question of Catholic Emancipation,
Learned Gentleman was once a distinguished Member was one of great importance. For the complaint
—(4 laugh) ;—but a Member of the English Parliament against the manner in which the evidence had been
is allowed to go on, free from all interruption, until he taken before the Committee, he denied that there a-
lms mid something disorderly. As to my allusions to isted any foundation for it. The witnesses bad been
what passed in another place, I now speak for the privi- candidly examined, with every opportunity afforded
leges of this House, of which I ama Member; I speak for their stating all that they knew upon the subject. ;
also for its consistency; I speak for its character and cre- and every one agreed as to the miserable condition in
•it as an honourable House, which it always has been. which the people who were miscalled freeholders were
Have we not heard Members of the other House al- kept by the existing system. The measure now pro-
luded to by name, and their'speec. hes quoted over and posed did not touch the smallest existing right ; and to
over again in this House, under the flimsy pretext of appoint distinct Committees to examine into every dis-
edverting to something elich passed in another place? tint matter of detail, would be endless. For himself,
'Did not the Hon. -Member for Knaresborough (Mr. he trusted he should have credit for every,dimositioni
Tierney allude distinctly 40 Use Bishop? Has not An to carry the main question upon its own merits;, but if
alipsion of a similar hind been made this very night? be found it impossible to accomplish that, he was con-.
Will it not be a very strange, or rather a very mean tent to succeed by combining it with other objects.
thing? will it not look like base-spirited conduct in this Mr.,P.LUNKEIT said, that in opposing the senti-
House, if we do not scrupleaoaake notice of.what cer-
min Peers say—if, as I mytalf heard, the words of the mints of his -Honourable and Learned Friend (Mr.
Brougham) who.was one of the oldest and ablest of,the
Lord Chanc.ellor on the woolsack are referred to di-
rectly in this Douse, twenty-four hours after he uttered supporters of a measure which had just been alluded
to,. he felt happy that be was enabled to range himself
them, and the observations made in this House were an- he
swered by the-Lord Chancellor the next night in the neath the banners of one who was quite as zealous
for.the success of ,that measure. He alluded to his
'House of Peers ; I say, will it not be base-spirited in Honourable Friend, who he perceived had just quitted
this House, if we attack the Bishops, if we attack the the House (Sir John,,Newport). He was certainly of
,Lay Lords, if_ive Attack the -Lord Chancellor on the opinion, ;totally that tire 8.11 should ,pass, but that it
woolsack? But if I allude to a Member of the other ositht to pass without the delay of a ,single hour—
Mouse, who happens to be.theiHeir-Presomgtive, priei- t freer). :Fhe BR west .only to Affect the leasehold in-
Inge rises up, arid .a Member ,lateaks through all order, `
tweets, anumeat.which the :eat evil existed, and did
Fiala rfittet-ilvtaits net till .slisiarder is committed, but mat extend to tjusie who ;448 by right of wixin got. pos-
,aells us, you ,gtuy phase die
.Bishops, you may abuse session of asonilltollll foe Aay :Inca-Um .niainst ihein
the_ Lay Lords, in mass and. individeally—(Loud deers),
,bikt if— weeld apply to the disqualification of half the free
holders of England. His Honourable Friend (Mr. 'B.)
Mr. WODEHOUSE.—I rise to order again. I-call had pressed his powers of rkilicale into the
.seivice,,
upon the Hon. and Learned Gentleman to explain what for the purpose of combining the prejudices against
-he.meant, to the,werds quia-tinet--(Loud laughter). the measure to its defeat, although, 'by ;his awn,
that Bill :nen to remedy," I aii-
hlr..Seciensty.FAa ,p.nt :it.to.gite Honourable and confession,f he was..ni-ntorant of the effects of the
evil which t _ , .
Leasucil *natter ,(Mr. hrquAlwen), sitbeter, in the
Gentleman
,discusalonief ,-a.aseestiontofi.go web imaortance, it ysas peal (coin
advisable-to passe a. °nurse ofelatestations whiclhavere inued Mr. Plat knit,) to .e..tery .
who hears- me, whether the *Honourable and Learned
las
not relevant-twit, -sad which must introduse.aavarreth .Gentleman.ttat flat Fired into
.tbe service, in miler to
of feeling inconsistent
.seith.a.gallnlind deliberAje.C9n. bring abont.shissanecOmt ,of t Bill (which auty ,be
. , ,
ed
sideration of its merits? • . a good meassialor_iiiististAkezhuows, for he avow
oratre mi.Oht.mmise,si 41sLas04, *vet, topU
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calculated to inflame the temper, and to kindle the
prejudices of the enemies and friends of this great
aseasatubse4thar.imini*4ltitAlls_ kw. measramer
f. ta.abaiislt the Atilt* oßee pq i,t.a cAMilyslsig
of persons, bet what right, be. assts,' have. wens-pm
some against them, *hen. we overlook it tothemaich;
the Parliament, and, I think, he inlif,-the
But what had this to dativitkAaralgiestini.,?- &holt.
tinge h(s position, for the sake. of .irgutnene 'ii Sitldthe
contend-that because perjury waievolooked:in the dd.)
pertinent, to which he afar-!ea, it ought- not to be.
checked where it is undeniable ? . This was i mode. of
arguing, 'which, If he was describing io another, piece.
be would call a lump," for there wasno connection be.
tween his premises and the conclusion. He t=ones
although what he ought to prove, for he tikes it,
for granted that the Irish Freenoidet% are di•fran.
tithed by this Bill, which is not the case, for no
existing interests are affected by it. He also assumes
what is inconclusive, that the peopte'of Ireland will,
consider this an immediate grievance, and consider
the benefits of it remote, .whereas the benefits are •
immediate, and the inconveniences if any are remote.
He said that the Irish Parliament differed from the
English Parliament ; he must also think an Irish pea-
sant a different being from any other." The Hon.
Member had professed a good feeling for the success of
this measure, but his conduct looked very like that of
an enemy. He objected to appending it to the gets
measure, lest it should look like bribery. Tb's was
knight-errantry in argument with a vengeance, but
would become 'a-romance more than an addles: to Par.
liantent. His own.(Mr. P.'s) opinions of this B Were
frankly these; he th night it on absolutely good mea-
sure in itself, but even if it had faults, he would oven,
look them, if it was calculated to enhance the success
of the great ques ion —(Cheers). —He thought it a necei•
sary set-off to giving the Catholics a tight to recur*
Catholics to Parliament, although he eimitted that it
ought to be kept in their hands. so long as there was
not a prospect that their claims would be complied with
He did not Suppose that they were taking away any
rights, for, in fact, this class of freeholders had no will of
their own. The Honour;ble and Learned Gentleman
had talked of the cruel situation in which he was placed,
but he (Mr. Plunkett) never saw him more happy than
in that situation—(4l laugh). Never was his wit more
buoyant, never did he Wander more. from the question.
recruiting and enlisting all that his fancy and eloquence
could supply him with upon this rack of torture, at an
unexpected measure which was known to be in con-
templation three months ago.-311-asigh;ng). The Right
Honourable and Learned Gtelleman then proceeded
to describe the mischiefs of the present system of
voting in Ireland, and the double mi,chief of per.
jury and extortion which it engendered. The Right
Honourable Secretary for the Home Department
(Mr. Peel), in 1817, acknowledged the defects of the
Act of 1773, and advised an alteration of it. By raising.
the qualifi:ation to ten pounds, every freeholder would
be known, and each one would be responsible for per.
jury. The alacrity of the advocate was too prorni-
neatly ,hewn by the Hon. and Learned Member ; there
was too great a readiness displayed to avail himself of
every popular argument or prejudice, be the effect what
it Wight to the cause of truth. What was the state of
the case as far as regarded the landlord? He never went •
to see the voters ; the agent was sent for them ; and 500
persons might be brought to the poll without knowing
what they were to do, or for whom they were to vote.
What were the frequent consequences to the peasantry
after an election? Frequently, that the landlord dis.
trained for the rent, and eventually drove those pea.
sant: of the land, who, perhaps, had only done their
duty ; who might have obeyed the Priest against
the landlord. What mischief did the Bill propose ?.
Did it attack freehold property, or threaten the bee. -
door of election ? No; the Bill, so far from affecting the
freedom of electioa, would tend to secure its
purity. Accrrding to the returns of 40s. 1W and 401.
registered freeholders—and before elections there.wesi
thousands of 40s. freeholders made and registered
the smallest freeholders were as eighteen to one in
proportion of the 201. and 501. freeholders. The con.
sequence was, that the mind of the real freeholds=
was overlaid and defeated. The Hon. Member for
Cork Castle (Mr. Banker) fired with Cnostitutiothi
seal—(fieer, and a lamsgh) —fired" with Constitoo
tional seal, 'he meant to the extent of that House.
no furthee.."-clenounced the measure as most un-
just; and declared that be would rather aspire oa the
&or .of that House, in she gratification of his ig-Runnyei
nude" feelings, than agree to this Bill...4Loatif chars
and langlder). However be (Mi. P.) might admire
the feelings of the -Barons of old, he could not much
applaud this modern exhibition of them. But these
was a way of making a particular species of freeholders
in Itagland--he did not exactly .know the names of *e
towns where it was done; he, however, addressed him-
self to the Hon. Member for Cork Castle—(lieardrear).
The evidence of Mr. O'Connell had been quoted,
but he did not think that the quotation etas
cAepts ibbele
uederof mg been
Mr Omo,Put
selauPonvi,ts.
against meddling with this subject respecting the.forty-
shilling freeholders, separated from the great question.
It had been asked who was hold enough to say :that
-Ireland would be satisfied with this ahlr? HeaMr.e.)
was, not a great adather of that political courage which
was sometimes boasted of ; it was frequently only relit.
ness t but he was the man who was bold enough to
say that this Bill (accompanied by a pronision ;for
the Catholic Clergy) was beyond all others =deo.
lated to reconcile Ire' ate' to the changes contefil-
plated by the Hon.. Bart.'s (Sir F: Burdett's) Bill. Warm
an ,advocate as he had ever been for the measure,.he
was now more enlacing than ever that it should be im-
mediately carried
cent occurrences,
must declare, that
of the Protestanrs
not a blessing
bad been gained
ground bad been
moment when
leading mea'
could forget
Catholic eause

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•eittroultun), ,
to any
anstrods
,em
u).
Mr. L., FATE
AIr.,BOKES
cottulout of the *aka:
which bad heist
'
w.
."f
tittirtoCirtiestta. "pa'
wis inn letsti,!ii -

'ion. . paws (um r:Duraett-s) ustr..tvarm
as he had ever been for the sneasure,•he
w)•
e aniions than ever that it should be im-
wried; but anxious as he now wits,:from te-
aces, that the great measure should pass, he k
I.
e, that if it were carried against the feelings
stants in Ireland, it Would be a curse and
ing to the country. What had been. solos
kissed by force of argonsent ; every inch of
I been so achieved; .but there newer WAS a
ien the indiscretion of an advocate local..
'sure Was calculated to be so fatal. .Igo one
K the itaportant wervi4es rendered ,ta ~the
ese by the Hun. aud-Learnedrileniber.(hirs
and he was incapable of attributing the
my bet the shwerest motives; but it was With regret
beihrbehl.the,lgois. and .Leatied Member hsbearing
to .4ekat by.bis inslisqiiims, the vein sticiOots at
, .. ..
[ITER 1;241,111d. " . •
OC,kis said ihat- he thool,il appeal to the
the apppsp ~wbOe ke
,repelleifttlii itbarl.s
4eentipkile !pin_ ,g.iiim. 'He liid ries.cr Vsed 4
Iguerate4aewitielskitilte It ht se.A Gables,*
Ili eseetb .fei the reirsees.
,itle„Refe. ',Nan& the
kat reiribOi lie dXss, y , that k ,wais petal, sums
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