Star.
London, England, 1807-06-30 00:00:00

•MERICA.

Lord TEMPLE raid, that teeing the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer in his place, ha would beg kavc to aik him a queftion. In the
courfe of the laft Seffion it had fallen to his lot to bring In a Bill.
which had been paffed contrary to the opinitms of thofc who corn-
pored the ',Went Adminiflration, he meant the •Ameriean
courfe Biil ; and he wifhed to know if the preterit :kiloliters meant
to move for its repeal ?
I Mr ROSE Paid, that he for one had itrecuoufly oppofed the
Bill alluded to during its prugrefs through the Houle, !wank he
I difappruvcd the meafure ; but as It had :cecived the approbation
of the Houle, and patted into a law, he did not think it would ha
decent to move its rep:al till its operation was fomcwhat better
known.

Mr. LONG moved for an Account of the Ree,ciptv and Exptn-
dizore. of the years tiliOje I& .6 ind Eitiinates for x 837 —Or-
dered.
SLUM.•

Mr. ROSE premed a petition from the Trufteet of the Pritith
Mantra, praying the aid of the Hotafe.—Ordired to be tcfetreil•
to.a Committee.
• IAr..BANKES moved for a copy Of all inch Itegclations as bad
been made for the better arrangement and feeurity of the Property
Odic Britith N•ltifellttl, and for thetettg accommodation of pct..
font vifiting the fame, &e...-Ordered. ' • •
oonr. PAPSRS.
Lord FOLKESTONE moved the reptinting of
' the Oude Papers.. " • • •
Sir J. ANSTRUTHER &Id, that at thole Papers
had been three times printed, they mutt 'be in the,
hands of atmoft every Member in the Houle, except;
thofe who were not in the left 'and the preceding
Parliament. He under flood there were, in the Vote
Office, a greater number of.thbfe Papers than were
fufficient for the new Members, which might be de.:.
livered out in the courts of to-morrow. and by that
if the Noble Lord were to difpofcd, the Hour/
might come to an invenigation of this fobjett, which.
was of great national importance. in the couch of
the prefent fcffion. As there was, at prefenr, the
fulled attendance eireekinwn, andteveral notices bad
been Riven which would (trine a full attendance "tor
at leali a fortnightitteitoped the Noble Lord would
withdraw his prefent motion ; and, if his propofal,
was agreed to, he *thought he might very eafily bring
forward his motion this Selllon.
Lord FOLKESTONE (aid, it would be his WWI
to bring the fubjea forward as form as poffible, out'
he wifbed-for a toll attendance, and that loch Mem-'
hers as had not yet teen the Papers fhould have time:
to pay due attention to them. He thought therefore,:'
it would be cismpetent to the Haute to go into it
this &Ilion; bet if they agreed to reprint the papers,
it might he proceeded in earl! in the neat Selfion.
Mr. CREEVT 'thought it- inipoffible to go into the
queflion this Seffion, as the matter mull go before a
Committee, and there would not lee time to make
their report,, and afterwards proceed with the level-
tigation.
Mr. H. ADDINGTON foggefted to the At
Lord (Felkllone) the propriety of bringing fo
the charges againli Lord Wedefley with his firli edis
venience ; and he hoped the prepofition of the Hcid.
Baronet would be acceded' to. Recolleiding, as be
did, the kind of mill.tione, which, in the thape of
there charges, hung round the neck of
.the Noble
)4arquis, he could not help expreffing hit autiety to
fee the amplelt difcuffion entered into retPeCling his
Lurdthip's condu&
The SPEAKER•infortned the Noble Lord (Folk.
(tone), that in point of form there wits no neceffity I
for reprinting the papers. becaufe the inquiry had
originated iaanother Parliament. It was tufficient
! that the principal paper itfelf &mid be produced,
and held as read.
• Lord 'FOLKESTONE faid, if he thought there
was a fulficipm. number of copies on hand, he would,
wish the leave of the Houk withdraw his motion,
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motion was withdrawn.

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Plllt*Ti lIILVI. ' ....
he SPEAKER aqualtsted the lilottfel that on
oum of all (soh private bill as were in prisgrefs
°ugh the Houfe, =fig% fneh Bills as had paired
t Houfe, and not received the4Royal Mena, had
•en prepared, and was.ready for the perufal of•the
Members of the Honk, telftelt was on the motion of
ard Howick, ordered to be printed.
' The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
fatd, he had two refnlutions to propofe, relative to
the private bills, which he thought could ndt nimt,
with:any reafonable oblation. He begged the Hon*
to 14:collet that he, never bad reprefented that the
late diffolution of Parliament had not been attended
with many inconveniences. It certainly had with
•tvfti, viz. the delay and the expence—with regard I.
the delay, however, he thotsghtthe difference of pd.
van Bills being paired in.Mity or in July, could niW
be very great.' With ref Oat tothe expence, that could
only be as to agency, and jhe attendance of witnerme,
He pt Goofed. to do .whatihrel been 'done on.* Moiler 1
' oecafion in 1784, wherein the officers of the. Hoeft
which:
had, with that liberality ad ever charailerifed
thetS agreed to relinquifh their fees 'for any (refit
proceedings'. In order, thelefere, to *eke the in
'Conieniencies as light as ple;lte• had two refolu-
lifois ,to propofe. The fiat with recseg,to Pititions,
wiiiirk he w:vldhave referred to_ .Cominittees to fie".
it" they were eradtly the fame is thole of the IA est.
ficrri-4ind'if they-avade.aveport that they were, thedi+
ahoyitslight be proceeded on from the Minutes of evi.,,
&Ike without any farther
.ettenclance. of witneffes g,
and in the cafe of. Bills, that were alma to be referred
'.Fa; ComMitteer in the fam" way as 'Petitions.' If
':tht iHouie'agreed to thofe refolutions, the income.
nience and expellee .irould be, aemovtd—thofe who
4id, not approve the diffolntion• would, doubtlefs,
find fault with them, bpt titofe. who thought tint
',lmeefure neceffary would be gratified to find the in•
convenience was In very'filnilt-...He;then moved that
Avery Petition prefented tot* Houfe during the pre
'..fer4 fefficm ihould- be teferted toll Committee to exa.
;nine the matters. thereef-.?apd. if they found the
.matters therein contained to be exaftly the fame as
,that prefented by'effil*tai pinks in the IA Setflon,
to rdport the. fame to'the Houle. and on that report
the Houfe should proceed therein without any further
attendance. of witneffes. .
Lord H. 'PETTY confideretio that the objeElion
ih point of expence could not be early got rid of, as
by' Alt of Parliament the public were pledged to
make amends for any deficiencies in the.amount of
.the fees of the officers of that finufe.• .-, ',N'. - '
Mr. CURWEN confidered. that the preterit pro:
seeding was attended with mifchief. and was likely
to produce much future mirchief. if enablifhed as a
precedent. If ever Parliament should be found, in

booze, differing from the pleafure of the Minifters,
they would be dill-Jived, and all the mifchicfs refult-
ing from the diffolution would again occur. He had
heard no one argument to convince him of the necef-
fity of the diffolution. As fur his put, he neitbet
knew any thing of, nor could be party to, any thing
like a vexatious and haraffing oppolition. He. did
not know that there was any appearance of that fort
bcfote the diffolution. There had been only two
m..tions brooghtlorivaid by gentletiren (In tbat fide
of the Houle, and they were both of them founded
on great conflitutional principles,. and .he regretted
much that they had been' negatived. He could not
accede to the prefent motion, as he felt much afraid
that there was nut virtue enough in any of the public
I!parties to refill or to take advantage of this precedent
Lord HOWICK concurred with the Hess. Gen-
tleman who fpoke (aft, that it was incumbent upon
the Houle to take care that a precedent was not Oa-
[dialed injurious to the liberties of the country.—
Every day's experience, fince the diffolution, 'hewed
him more and more, that fuch a meafure was impro-
per.. The refoonlibility of the meafure relied entirely
upon the reformable Minifters of the Crown. Mini-
dier's had Paid that they had chofen a moment when
there was • no inconvenience could happen from a
difolution. It appeared to him, however, that it
was great inconvenience that the !landing orders of
the Houfe mull be departed from in the prefent in-
-fiance. It Oppeitied a great public inconvenience,
Ifiat we flictu-ki be 'obliged to -look to the liberality of
Clerks to give wp.pkat ofrdieir ellablifhed fees. It
.vvas a great inconvenience, when' contefted petitions,
'and titivate bills, loch is the &idol Pott Bill, and
•othote of that fortonualbegjn over again, and double
their expence. The objet of the Standing. Orders
'bras, that nothing privateßUMP the,
proceeded Ori-
,witltotit full and fotficient. notice ; but the °Ned of
the.prefent motion was to go •on with them without
any;notice at all, He though.. the more the Houk
'cdnfidered the caufes of the 4,iffiktiou, the more they
would be convinced that.the grounds of it were falls,
frivolqus, and hypocritical.' • No hirafling and vexa.
anus oppofition had been fa up'againa"Miniflers.—
Two great quelli•ms had been brought forward and
&Omitted to the fettle of the. Houleo.tstit il_tbe dif
lb utir.n.hael not taken plice, he was n,,t awarethat.
any' othee queaion rerSulnave been brought forward:
in the Seffion, by the Gentlemen on his fide of the
Hhufe, that would have pioduced anOther divifion.
This eondoa by no means deferred the name of a
vexatious• or baraging oppofitioa.- . • • •
The CHANCELLOR.of the
.EXCHEQUER
'was 'not 'fisrprifed that the wearers of diffotution
ihould appear to the Noble Lord and his friends to
be perfally unjuaifiable.' He certainly did expea
Come fuch feeling oa their part; but he was ready to
fubmit it at all times to the Houk and the country,
whether the meafure was pot.neceffary and advila.
ble. . Even fuppofing all private inconveniences to
'exit to the full degree which had been flitted, he
would Dill appeal to the Route and to the country,
whether they could be balanced or let off againa the
great material qaeflion which led to the diffolution
of the laD Parliament I He had the fatisfueion to
think that. he was iddrefrmg a Houfe of Commons
that approved of the diffolution. The Right Hon.
Gentleman then adverted to the precedents of 1784.
and iBor, and contended that the (tending orders
of the Houfe were not violated upon the prekut °c-
cation ; becaufe, as the Rending orders required that
the notice fhould be given in the Anvil Sr Septem-
ber preceding the &Mon, the notice gives in lag
Anti% or September would cane witbio the bounds
Of the (bindi order. •
Lord HOWICK and KT. 4rig-RcETAI. faid a
few words in mutual et
Sir JOHN NEWPO T poiraed out the great dif-
ference that would take place betwiltta Lbis Com-

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Mittee and the former. The ptefent would have to 1
-deter:Disc on written evidence only while other-1
Committees de trained upon pens& evideace, which
was jelly preferred to it. lithe decal's upon writ-
ten evidence was as good as that upon pen&
tairway, a groat deal of money might, in future,
ise raved, by not forcing witneires to come from all
parts of
coftinie kingsones in thedltoLondcoanonAtry.
ntexamining them
before
M;.-BASTARD thought that the Houfe ought
not en depart from its Rending orders, on account at'l
the inconvenience to individuahosrinag from the dills.:
ludo,. The Crown had ezercifed its pretogative is
the dilution, and he thought the Hoare of sCone.
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moos ought to exercise theirs in adhering to *Me
thog orders.
JOHN ANSTRUTHILZ Aid it few words es
the fame fide.
SHAW LEFEVRE *braved, that this dif-
gallon Otould be adjourned till to-morrow.
A Aloft converfation took place upon this Morio*,
and the Houk divided.—Ayes 76 —Noes 164—Ma.
jority for Minifters SS.
On one re.admiSion into flue gallery, we found
the Ceemcst.Loa of the Excuegiraa (peaking-on
motion that no Petitions for private Bills mould be
prefeeted latet than Monday next ; after fonie con-
verfatinn, it lea' received, that no private Bill fisould
be brought.in after Monday the 13th of July, and no
report of a private Bill after Monday, the 17th.
• YEST
Mr. COCHRANE JOHNSTONE gave notice
of a Motion to-morrow, for an account of the nun;-
bets of officers and men of our regular regiments, .
who have died in the Weft Indies, from 1797 to the
prefent year. His objet was to diresft the attention
of the Houle to the great mortality of our troops in
the Weft 'lndies.
CIIIIIOES AGAINST SIR 11. ISILDMAY.
I Sir H. MILDMAY Paid, he could not conceal the
painful feelings with which he brought before the
Houle -any fubjed that related perfonally to himfelf,
particularly when he rote to defend himfelf again&
grofs calumny and injuflice. To the libel, that had
been publifhed againtt him in the newfpapers he dit
dained to make any anfwer ; but what he Paid now.
was in confequence of fomething which „fell from a
Noble Lerttort a former night. The Hon. Baronet'
then explained the hillcity of the tranfidiesidtatr •
to in the Fourth Report of the Military Inquiry, In
the year if 10.3, it was found expedient to tree very
-xtenfive fortifications near Chelmsford, where-he
haailitge eflate..There wereteoo perfons employed
upon thetiOnlides a great body oft "TIM
confequence ivisrghtt,.oll his tangible propertr be.
'came fubjed to perpetual depredation..- Nip nights
nut of ten, footpad robberies were committestnear
haute. He made reprefentations to Mr. Addington's
Adminiftration on the fubjett. His houfe with Come
lands was afterwards taken for four years, for the era
.of General. Sir James Craig and his ftaff. The Sur•
veyor of the Barrack Office reported, that the whole
was worth awl. a year. About eiglvOrears ago,.
the houfe coif 70,0001. in building. 'Melee were 14.
rooms on a Boor, and n large turn had lately Cali
laid out in repairs upon it. More-money tees After.
wards laid out upon it by overnment.' Htweuted
to lay out none : for, on the contrary, he wailed to
i pull-the houfe down. The money given him for "the
' repairs, and for the military works on his land, was
awarded by a retpedable Jury impannelled for the
purpote ; whatever he received he looked upon as
clothing more than a fair compenfation. At all
events, no imputation could rent on him :--ind of
this he was affitred that morning by the Military
Commiffioner, also had made the report. He con`
eluded with moving, that a copy of the Memorial
prefented by him that morning to the Commiffioners
of Military Inquiry, be laid before the Houfe. •
Mr. S. BOURNE fpoke with Chine warmth in vindi.
cation of his conduit agaio ft the caltimninus affertionss
that he had figned a Treafusy- Order for granting
6361. to repair the koufein qurilion, after tl.e firm of
2501. had been confidered fufficient to be laid out for
that purpofe. Among the imgmnfe number of mere
'figned by him, the contents of tome might have
:leaped his notice by min-eke, and this, was the cafe
in the prefent intlance. •To fay he had &tie this. wit„
fully, was a foul and malignant calumny, which be
would have fcorred to notice, had it not been intro-
duced into that Houle by a Noble Lord.
Earl TEMPLE Paid, that, as he prefumed the
memorial contained the Ratement made this night
by the Hon. Baronet, it was deferable, as the report
was laid before the Houfe; that the memorial, as an
anfwe r to it, Ibould be to too, before the Houle fhould
proceed to any farther inveftigation on the bufineft.
Mr. MARTIN confidered the bargain as highly
advantagenns to the Hon. Baronet, and ruinous for
the public, and therefore contended that the matter
ihould be inquired into. It appeared to him 'alto
nbjedionable, that the Hon. Baronet, in junifying
himfelf, teemed to impute blame to the Military Com-
miffioners. He did not mean to fay that the Hog.
Baronet intended to do fo ; but the confequence that
would follow from his ftatement was, that the Com-
miffioners did not underftand the tranfadion. The
compenfation of 13501. awarded by the Jury for the
first year for thirty acres, amounted to the fee firaple
value of the land. The Hen. Gentleman made tome •
further oblervations on the terms of the bargain, and
contended that the matter Mould be inquired into. It •
was deferable, particularly at this moment, to these
that the reports of theft Comm iffinners were defer ving
of credit. when they had made to fmall a pro=
in the fubjeds they had to inveiligate. He
the Commiffioners to be men of as much honesty,
integrity, and principle, as any Gentleman in that
Houle, and was fare they had no intention to make ,
any unfavonrable Report again% the Hon. Baronet.
When the matter fhould again be brought before the
Houk, he hoped the Hon. Baronet would be pre-
pared to explayn, why no perfun had attended on the
part of the Crown, to take cafe of the intereits of the
public. He was much mifinformed, or it was the
duty of theiperfon who was Counfel to the Board of
Ordnance, to attend under the Defence Ad, upon
inch occafions, if directed. This explanation would
relieve his mind from a fofpicion, not of the• Hon.
Baronet, but of the negligence of the public Boards.
Mr. CANNING confidered the charge spina
the Honourable Baronet as fat& and unfounded, and
difapproved of loch attempts to rade a baldly err
againQ individuals.
Mr. MARTIN explained.
H. MILDMAY ditclaimed any the aloft dif• .