Star.
London, England, 1812-02-15 00:00:00

ROXBURGH CAUSE.

The Loin C 11.% C LOR being detained on important business
Carlion.liouse, d d nut come dawn to she House utvll nearly
Iva o'clock. Prayers by the lishop of Cuss IY. It being read, the
:misideration of the Feu Branch of the above irnpUrtvalt cause
was resumed.

Mr. Lat.cit, as Counsel for the Appellant, Mr. Ekri.t.runzu
:Etta, was hearsl in continuation, anti to the cud of hip rtp.y,
!Well lasted until near seven o'clock.

The LORD CHANCELLOR observed,. that with reference
o the great importance of the case, and the very long and able
rgunsenis which wete urged at their Lordships bare it would
to proper to allow sorue interval for the consideration of their
..ordships' judgment. He did not row feel himself prepared to
lame any particular day for the final consideration of at case in
litestion; but when lie should, he proposed to take the; liberty to
Omit a mo ion for that purpose.
The Private were resp,ciively forwardedt and the House
touted till Monday.

tioutE OF COMMONS.
Mr. MANNING brought In a ,Bill for extrndine the Lonion
luck lard, which was NO a irsi and ordered tfa be read
second time to-morrow.

A person front the Adrniralty prcaented an account of the
Money belonging to Suitors in the High Court of Admiralty, and
in the Courts of Prizes.

The House proceeded to the further consideration of the Re-
p'.rt on the Lot- Is' Amendment Act, which was agreed to, and
the Bill orOered to be read a third time on Monday neat.
'The Reports on the East India Lean Bill, and the Coal Trade
1311, were brought up and agreed to, And the 13.11 s °Acted to be
reed a sh.rd time on Monday next.
Mr. IMLFORD brought in a Bill fur the erection of Penh.
tcritiary Houses in London and Middlt sex ; read a first time,
and ordered to be printed and read a second time this day three
wet ks.

Lord pA LMERSTONE saiJ, that in consequence of the ab-
s nce of the Right Hon. Gentleman (11r.Tierney), who was pre-
treated by an accident from coming down to the House, and who
wished to be present at the voting ut.the Army Estimatss, be was
desirous to postpone them.
Mr. WHI I'I3REAL) said, that though the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman was at present unfortunately detained by the accident,
there was every hope that he would be able to come down on
Monday, to which day be would recommend the pettponement
of the Estimates.
They were accordingly postroned to Monday. The Corn-
inittei of Supply was postponed to Monday next.
Mr. W. WYNNE moved for Returns of the E.tatliehments
of the different corps of Local Militia and Volunteers serving
in the d &rent Counties, and of their Nutuber, at the last Re-
turns.--Ordered.
Mr. VANSITTART moved for an Address to hla Royal
Highness the Prince Regent, praying that he would be gra-
ciously pleased to order a Copy of the Report presented to
lArd Liverpool front the Com:id—lows of African E.tquiry,
bearing date the 9th of July, 18 11, to be laid be:ore the House.

Upon the motion of Mr.'WHITBREAD, the Wootton Basset
Election Petition was postronci to 'Tuesday three weeks.
Mr. BARING gave no:ice that h.: would, on a future day,
move for copies of the memorials presented by the merchants of
neligoland and Malta against trading licences.
rMr. H. MARTIN postponed the notice which he had given
of a motion for have to Is.ing in a Bill to regulate the Office
of Registrar of the High Court of Admiralty, trum Monday to
Monday furtnigl.t.

FUNDED EXCHEQUER BILLS.
The House having resolved itself into a Committee
of Ways and Means,
. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
lard, he had given notice yesterday of his intention
,to move in that Committee a Resolution for funding
Exchequer Bills in the Navy 5 per Cents. It WAS
est, he conceived, necessary to enter into any detail-
ed view, and should therefore proceed to state the
terms to the House. The first proposition was, that
for every £lOO of Exchequer Bills dated between the
Ist of March, 1811, and the 18th of February, 1812,
funded in the Navy 5 per Cents, the person so fund-
ing them should receive £lOB in the 5 per Cents. the
interest on the bills to be paid up to the 9th of March
inclusive. The calculation was taken on the 7th of
February, the day on which he first sent the notice
to the City, at which period the 5 per Cents. were at
61,, which would give the acceptor £lOl. 10s. 3d.
for every £lOO funded, besides a bonus of the ;n-
-wrest, up to the 9.h of March, of 7s. Bd. on tach
*lOO, making, on the whole, ael. 17s. 1 Id. per cent
bonus. The 5 per Cents. were consequently depressed
in some measure since the proposition had been origi-
nally made. They were this day reduced to 93tb,
at which price the bonus experienced by the fuming
would be 17s. 7d. instead of fly 17s. I le. wnit.l),
however, he thcught sufficient profit to rechice,the
holder; of Exchequer Bills to the amount of
millions (the sum to which he intended to iptit.the
acceptance) to fund. The state of the hind, as lie
had already observed, was not so favourable as at
the time when the offer was made, but there were
various contingent benefits to which the Housemight
look o.i the following )ear, especially in the event of
Reece. It was his intention likewise to propose, that
Cle..4lnotint of Exchequer Bills to be solu:Aled should
not 'weed f 14,000,000. He hoped, notwiths.tand-
. ,
:fig the present depression, that nu conssuerable dis-
itptointetene would take place, and that it not the
eiline, at • coasiderabla proportion of that amount
would be funded in the 5 per Onus. /le had re.- •
VirvPd to thiltqlfs tale af. (ailurn, .the power ill
creiting 8 per Cent-, to n*. the deficiency by Ow
• 1444 TR bC raised for the service of the present year.

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The Right Honourable Gentleman concluded, with
moving two Resolutions.—:he one providing that every
person who funded Exchequer Bills, dated between
the Ist of March, 1811, and the 18th of February,
1812, in the Navy 5 per Cents. should be paii the
interes; up to the 9th Or 'March, incluAve, and en-
titled for every 4100 to 410 ti Navy 5 per Cents.—
The other limiting the sum to be act lundcd, to
414,000,000. •

Sir THOMAS TURTON said he
was quite at a'
logs to suppoie, how the Right Honourable
Gentle- !
man could expect to add the sum of Jel 4.,000,0t)0 to
a fund which must have experienced a great depres.
sion. H. approved of the principle of dividir.g as
much as possible the sums to be raised, among the
diffasarat funds. 'lf the Right Honourable Gentle.
man's object could be accomplished, he saw no ob-
jection to it, but he must put out of his calculation
entirely, any advantages likely to result from a state
of peact—toithat state, however desirable, they must
look with little hope, after the declaration of an elo.
quent Statesman, that “ war was now the element in
which we must live' and move," The consequence
of the present proposition, he believed, would be,'
that the stock would become a heavy stock. But
after all he would a,k, what a loan were they to ex.
pect this year ? for th's was but the commeneemeht,
the prelude to the grand drama to which we were
still to look.
Mr. BARING said, that the rise of stocks in the
las: year,. justified the Right Honourable Gentleman
in proposing the addition at that period, but there
was a m aerial difference between the last and pre-
st nt year, notwi.hstanding which, the Right Hon.
Gentleman propoud to depress the fund still further,
by his own act.
Mr. SMITH said, from all he could learn, he did
not think the Right Honourable Gentleman would he
able to find the Exchequer Bills this year to the
amount proposed, and therefore he thought it better
not to attempt it. He was also apprehensive that the
system might be carried too far,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
`said, there was hardly an argument resorted to by the
Hon. Baronet (Sir T. Turton), on the present occa-
sion, which he did not urge against the proposition
of the former year. He appeared to think that there
was some ditErence between the notices of both years
to the City, but he would state that, in point of fact,
there was none. It was true, there was a greater de-
prec:ation in the present, but the excess proposed
above the former,' did not amount to more than
Jaal,ooo,ooo. The- Hon. Baronet might. say that he
did not succeed in his proposition last year. It was
true he did not obtain the entire sum immediately,
but he 'made up the deficiency only by enlarging the
time. The Hon. Gentleman who spoke last gave
reason to suppose that the calculation had varied
since the valuation was made; but he believed, that
since the offer %sant into the city, no diminution had
taken place in the value of Exchequer Bills. The
other Honourable Gentleman feared that the prin-
ciple might be carried too far. Ile (the Chancell
of the Exchequer) allowed that it might ; but the
question was, whether it was so in this instance ? It
would be found, that if the 5 per cents. were depress-
ea, the S per cents. were depres.ei also, and that the
5 per cents. had kept tip their relative value, nut-
withstanding the operation of the Sinking Fuad on
the a per cents. which never operated on the .5 per
cents. The fair and competent way to compare them
he thought, was to take them at a period before the
present measure was in contemplation, in which case
they would find that his statement was correct, and
that the present comparative state
_of those Funds
afforded no ground for assuming that the measure
was carried to an extreme. Ilis impression was, that
it was doing material service to the general state of
the Futai to divide the Loan into different parts and
different periods. It was giving encouragement to
those who funded Exchequer Bills, and increasing
the credit of Exchequer Bills themselves. It was
natural to wish that the field should be extended as
much as possible, and in that view he was sure that
the House and the country agreed. He was confi-
dent that this plan held forth greater advantage to
the holder of Exchequer Bills than he could obtain
by disposing of them in any other way. He had
never stated positively that the whole would be
obtained, but he hoped it would, and if not, at
least he expected that it would be realized to a great
extent.

After some further conversation between Sir T.
Turton, Mr. Baring, and the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer, the Resolutions were agreed to, and the
Report ordered to be received on Monday next.
I•:OTTINGLIA gt RIOTS.

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Mr. RYDER said he rose to move for leave to
bring in a 13111 on an occasion well deserving the at-
tentton of the Legislature. He had a painful duty to
discharge, in adverting to circumstances which had
lately taken place in Nottingham and the neighbour-
ing counties, disgraceful to the character of the
country. He had to assure the Hotr;e, that the hopes
which he entertained of their cessation were realised,
though n ,1 in such a manner as to extinguish' the
fear of their breaking out again. He felt himself
bound to bring the subject, before the House, where
there were so many Gentlemen competent to decide
upon it, and to recommend the best means of check-
ing such disturbances. It was notorious to the House
and to the country, that the dwellings of individuals
were entered by armed men, who destroyed varieties
of machinery, and cat tied on a system of riot border-
ing upon insurrection, in a manner which never he-
lve had disgraced the history of this country. The
fist intimation which Government had of their pro-
ceedings was on the 14th of November, when appli-
.
cation was made to it by the Hipi Sheriff and Ma-
gistrates of Nottingham for military assistance. A
troop of dragoons was ordered to proceed to that
place in consequence. Things immediately became
quieter, but on the 27th the scene was changed again,
and the Lord Lieutenant of the county signified his
apprehensions that the same disposition was likely to
extend to the counties of Leicester and Derby. From
the 140 of November, to the 19th of Decetnber, be,
tween 800 and 900 cavalry, and 1000 infantry, were
ordered into Nottingham ; a greater force than Lad
ever been employed on a similar occasion, In the
latter end of December the prospect again becami
more favourable, and there with reason to supporA
that, partly from the military forcer and partly 1r0,04
a better system of police, the rioters were suppressed
but again they broke out, and "two additional rep,
meats were sent. to the at.ststonce of the nailitary

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force. He wished the House to understand that '
military assistance was never refusel. It was in-
stantly granted on the same day on which it was
applied for. On the '23d of January he received the
depositions of witnesses, taken in that place, and the
object was to lay them before the Attorney-General,
preparatoty to sending down a commission to ay
such persons as might be takca. lie had dispatched
Mr. Couant, an intelligent Magistrate, to ascertain
' the best way of proceeding, alai muff° all the
! informatiln he could. the next step resolved upon
' was, to recommend to his Royal Highness to issue a
`proclamation, Wieling a reward for the apprehension
i :led prosecutien of sueh as were concerned in these.
riots. He allowed that it was a doubtful step, and
each as was never before reser ted to, but he conceiv-
ed was fully justified by the urgency of the case.—.
His view at present was not to answer charges
brought against the Government, but to explain all
the steps that had beets tried before he procee.lei to
the extremity intended by his motion. The progress
of those disturbances was most extralrdiniry, not- i
withstanding the assistance that had been given.—
They arose between the workmen and the manufac-
turers. The machnes they destroyed were not the
property of the persons in whose houses they were,
but were hired out by the manufacturers, or by per-
sons who made a sort of trade of hiring them. He
believed it might have been the c Ise, that some of
the owners of the houses in which they were kept
were accomplices, which would acccunt tor the cir-
cumst.nce of so little information being o!nained,
and so few apprehensions effected. The whole sys-
tem was carried on with the gr.ettest secrecy and '
management. In many ins:ances the machinery was
broken without any no:se, when the military were in
sight, and in one instance when they were wahin a
hundred yards of the !itemises. It happened at aro-
tiler time that five or six persons Were placed outside
a village to prevent all ingress and egress, whi;e 30
of the party destroyed all the frames in the place,
and escaped without the knowledge of any person.
These acts required legislative interference. One of
the causes to which he had heard them stscribrd was
the great employment afforded at the period of the
speculations to South America, and the subsequent
falling off, which about two years ago Freduced
great distress, aided since by the interruption of trade
it had produced those consequences. Whatever
ground of complaint the workmea mieh. have against
their emp'qyers, it was impossible to countenance
such a manner of redress, by which whole families
were driven to ruin, and which threatened to chive
the manufacture's (tom the county of Nottingham.
The only question was, sVbether it was not right to
avempt a legislative enactment? • By the 28th tithe
King, the breaking of frames was made a simple fe-
lon), punishable with transportation. His intention
was to make it capital. He was no friend to the in-
crease of capital punishments, but property must be
protected. He did not rest his proposition on the
Ifrequency of the offence or the difficulty of the de-
tection, but on the necc,sity of keeping down the
spin it. He quoted the opinion of Sir Matthew Hales,
to shew, that when offences became enormous and
dangerous to the State, they should be punished with
death ; and stated, that from six to ten thousand
pounds worth of property ea.. destroyed by those tio-
u:us individuals. There was another measure which
he should introduce, to enable the Lord Lieutenant
of the county and five Justices to calla General or
Special Sessions in times of ills urbence, for the pur-
pose of sweating in Constables and Petty Constables,
and choosing from persons of about '25 years of age,
a sufficient number to establish watch and ward.—
He might be tsl.l that some of this was law already,
but it was I.IW which had fallen into disuse, and
some of the provisions would be found to be new.
When he stated that he was sanguine in his expecta-
tions from it, he went upon the representations of
those who were likely to form a judgment. 114 had
the effect of establishing watch and ward, the diAtur-
bailees would be put an end to. The Right Hon.
Gentleman then moved for leave to bring in a Bill
for the more exemplary punishment of persons guilty
of frame-breaking.
Colonel EYRE (Member for Nottinghamshire)
seconded the motion of the Right Honourable Gen-
tleman, assured as he was by most of the judicial
persons in the coulty of Nottingham, that it was the
only measure which could .be really serviceable.—
However severe the enactment, if effectual, it would
be humane in consequence. For the very parties
who were engaged iv the work cf derruction, while
they were still injuring the property of others, were
still mote seriously injuring themselves, as they anni•
hilated the means of future occupation. Notwith-
standing every possible effect, the outrages had exist-
ed for many months. The Magistrates of the county
had exerted themselves to the utmost ; and he must
do the Government the justice to say that they had
most readily come forward to second their efforts.—
They had acceded to every request of the Magis.
tracy ; they had ordered various anJ considerable
bodies of the military to march to their aid ; they
had lent them the assistance of several active and
skilful Police Officers ; but such was the existing state
of the case, that unless the offenders were detected in
the act, it was next to impossible to apprehend them. I
Mr. J. SMITH (Member for Nottingham), con-I
ceived the disturbances, if not opposed, would be most
dangerous. He did not agree with the Right Hon.
Gentleman, that they arose in consequence of the
men being unemployed. One of the great causes
for complaint was the mode in which the misguided
men were paid, and because they did not receive
wages adequate, as they supposed, to their support.
The mode of payment by the masters was, in some
cases, by linen-drapery goods, shoes, it m, and provi- ,
lions of various sorts, which they estimated in value
at much less than the twenty shillings to which they
might be entitled, Other causes were to be found,
as the manner of measuring out the work, and there
were cases in which individual maeufacture's op-
pressed the workmen. If these combinations were
not put an end to, considerable dangers might arise.
With respect to the penalty dr death, he thought the
difficulties of conviction would be increased, if the
Legislature were to impose so capital' a punishment 1
for offences of the kind now alluded to. The Ho-
, pourable Gentleman expressed his thanks to the
Right Honourable Gentleman, for the zeal, abi,
lity, and solicitude which be had shewn to preserve
the peace of the town and county of Nottingham—
The Magistrates,of the town of Nottingham had wi-
sed themselves with a degree of gnaw' and vigour

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which reflected on them grtat ere
tints had also contributed their assistance to quell th,
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town,iot wchoi cnltrahi
containing
gso unhappilyabouticn
sops—which town he was free to confess WAS in a state
of the deepest distress. Indeed he never saw in aay
town so much of distress and misery —( flaw, Afar, .
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With such a population, the exertions of the Magio
tracy li id kept the puldic pe ice, and it was uttparal.
lele..i. that th..y lase su done. 'rise betaking of frown
was 0 it done by Large: mobs, but br vu. or «,,, some.
inn s three or lour, wl:u went in the dead df Right to
commit those tinlaw fill acts, ;Ind thereby escaped tlit
u•most vigil nice. Th., interp,,sitiow. of the I.egida.
ture became highly necessary.
Mr. C. WYNNE. thought enquiry negilit to pm.
cede the interference o: the Legislature, and was •
thcrefotc d'spoied to prefer a Committee, before t'e
rno.ioa for leave to bring in the Bill was agreed to,—
Enquiry would show the misguided men that the ell.
of the Legislature was r.ot removed from them ; and
it they had grievances to complain of, those ries?.
:wets wouli be redrt:swd. Btivre he could emus!
to make new enactment; of a pc:la' store, he most
be satisfied the ;Teo nt Statutes were inside:kat to
the purposes fur se:: ;:h th..s, were framed.
Colonel FUN KLAN 1) adverted to the moth
of Elisabeth. in reference to the striate was the •
subject, and panegyrised the abilities i f Bacon at&
1 hales h, Members of the Legislature, which passed
the motto.% under circumstances slot dissimilar oh!:
the present state of the county. He wished it to be
recollected, that the House was called upon not to
make laws for the preservation of Ole property ofi,‘
dividtuh merely, but for the general security of the
; State. The necessity of Legislative interference was
1 manifint ; because, with All she assiduity and vigi.
lance of the Magistracy, they had pot been able IS
put down the disturbers of the peace entirely.
Mr. VECK u as against delay. The depredaticeo •
complaiwd of were done by armed persona. That
? t ciictimstance would, in his opinion, t,,tally supersede
! the necessity of inquiry. Beside., it had spread
through some of the midland counties.
Mr. SHERIDAN was reluctant to originate bills
which went to extend the Penal Code without mai.
ous,enquiry. It must be recollected that the speedos
in Gentlemen would go for nothing I but pyre.mittee was appointed, and they made a
commending the extens'on, then Nye House wro4
have Lulli.:km auth,srits tip which to act. He con-
ceived there was groat blame somzwhere in pernat.,
, ring the disturbances to arrive at such a height.
Mr. H. MARTIN, tic a magistrate of the mot/
of Loicester, declared, that every exertion bad best
used ta put down the disturbances within the cousty
where not a single frame hid been broken. Ile bnej
some information w.-ti'd be laid on the table tope-
tify the extension of capital punishments.
Mr. BABINGTON was perfectly cnniinced,
whatever was their object, that the system of Wei.
ing the lolv was prevalent, and was extending through
some of the other counties. He was dispo ed to vote
for the appointment of a Committee to enquire into
the facts, the report of which alight smn be mode.
It might be necessary to pass an Act of the name
now proposed, hut then he thought it di .uld only be
a temporary one, to meet evils which only was of a
temporary nature. He had no objection to the second
Bill, even without the form of enquiry.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
imagined there could be no objection to the dill at
proposed by his Right Hon. Friend, for a watch and
ward, with an instruction to the Committee to extend
the provisions i f it to such parts as to them s'..oeld
appear most proper and necessary. No Gentleman
had suggested any doubt of the ezisrence of the era
complained of ; therefore, when it was proposed to
have a Committee to enquire, he thought it was a
pmpos:tion which was not necessary to be entertained.
,No practical good could be derived from the appoint-
mein of a Committee. He agreed with the Hirano.
rable Gentleman (Mr. Babiagton) that the Ball
should be of a temporary nature, and that the House
was not called upon to legislve for posterity. Witt
respect to the illustrious names mentioned by his
Honourable Friend (Mr. Frank land) he much doubt-
ed whether, when those great men legislated, there
was that general notoriety of facts which subsequent
times afforded. The objects of the present meisuie
would be to correct the evils oad to produce that state
'of tranquillity so much desired. With respect to
what had been stated by an Honourable Gentleman
as to the mode of payment to the workmen in yob.
he thought serious inconvenience would accrue if the
Legislature was to interfere. Where there was dis-
tress appat en!, it would be the most unjust way to pre-
scribe by law to the manufacturer the mode of pay-
ment, which would have the effect of inducing :hem
not to engage on any terms,
Mr. 1V Hal 3 R EAU contended, that it would he
unjust to entertain the Bills without a previous in:
query. He could not consent to multiply the penal
statutes ; and the question was, whether the Os
already in force were not sufficient to retest
t'ic crime ? It WAS not a very light matter to esoct
the penalty of death, and if a Committee was Fo.
pose. , he should readily concur in that mucks-
-I.'here Was blame originally attaching to the depaft
anent which should have taken cognizance of the rim-
He was the first to call the attention of Parliamere
to the subject. He was happy now to add his teak
mony of applause to the conduct of the Right Ho
Secretary, who hid done his duty in a most exemplar,'
manner. It was also a justice due to the Magistroel
to say, they had done their duty in the same iname.f.
They had cured the evil in the town; but out 010
town there were not the same facilities for vigilancri
1 and there might be the necessity for a watch argth
ward in the county. He agreed with those '64
thought the laws referred to of Elisabeth, were aK`
proach to the Statute Book.
Mr. HERBERT, before he could consent mope°
to the number of capital punishments, must I!.
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vinced that the existing laws were insufficient. tx_n
there was as yet no pro alt us there had been no 117.
on the subject. An Honourable Member bad 601'14
in the course of the evening, that the riots which ban
extended themselves so Leicestershire, had been
poised by the activity i f the Magistrates. He.ifirm,a
o the House to kno, why the Magistrates of No:, or
hAmshire had failed in doing that which the Sir
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