Star.
London, England, 1814-07-16 00:00:00

110 U-1., COMMON'.

Petitions were ;tr. sented from vati Pas parts of the
.tountry
azainst the ti!are •1 I.t.!e.
*che tir'atie Acid 1311 went through a Committee.
The llackm.l Coach lit:1 Will It ad a ,te stt I time.
The Rei,ort or, the Spelled .i.amp Lill w., br..mBlit up. Third
Clue on Monday.
The Naval l'imber all was rea-1 a second time.
Mr. 11. 'IIIOI N VON pri,ent..d the .-oothwark Petition
ai,vaimt the t.; lave Tratle, ~;;11;i1 by 3,,000 persor.s.
'lle Militia Pay 13i11 wai read a sceund tinte.—Cominitted to-
morrow.

it E. lilt VDGES pros:-nted a Pc-tition from Mr. A. I. Val,iy.
again?. t!.e Cepy-Rir.ht Lill, cutopl-ining that it would postpone
the n•pablicat o:i intendrd of :•sten%co's Gr:ek.ThLsaurus, and
woul.l occa‘ion to hint a !u, 0. £:9

'llse Amendments tote harb..ur U II wrre agreed to, after a
rew wurda front Mr. Aid, rniau Shaw and Mr. Crok‘r.

ALIEN ACT.

On the Order of the Day fur tke ►ecuul reading of the Alien
Bill being read,
Mr. I-1. ADDINGTON said, it was proposed by this Dill to
continue the operations of the Alien Act for one year only; and
when he stated that there were at pre.ent upward, of 18,000
Aliens in thi, kingdom, he trusted the 11.)use would nut consider
the continuation of this measure for am.ther sear an impolitic
step, and that he einuld now propose to renew the 8.0 on the
same princip'e as Ps renewal stood in 180. i, pawl:wag neat year
to bring in another Bill.
Mr. ABERCROMBIE said, the limitation of this measure to
one year removed much of his objection to it. He could not.
however, see any good ground for continuing the measure in a
time of peace.

Mr. P. MOORE thought there were strong objections to the
continuation of the 13111 even for a year, as It would have tke
effect of creating a je2lousy In France to,mards this country.
Mr. WI-1 I ['BREAD could not agree to the renewal of this
Bill on any i;rounds; against whom, he would .I,lt, was this Bill
int, nded to operate t Ahnt rioa was the only c..torry with whom
we we. e now at war, an I the grounds of the unfortnoate war
wits that couint y was. char:e that we stol: an I detained this
subjects ot Anieriei. lie ve,iild the tkiveritinent of
this country now tearful of an imporia.:on of lacat.iiis front
Prance If they did not fear tenne such eircui.k.t , Against
whom WAS it in emied to put the Act in force he kiLlit
Hon Gentleman had said, the Al:e.l .let had i.ev,r been abused,
a.0:01 for pro.ll, 11*(1.'111 tl i.c IVf 1) I rr*:6lllC4 t•. doubt that
a—et 6011. There a rtrta•ly was a char, eexistiog tli.: Flight
I-1 hit. GLII•11.11141 and a Noble Relative ut Lis, ot hastily, alio .ed
the ,tlt:u dtct in the arr„s• and detention of De lb ri • ,;:r ; .1114
till thuy went to proof titi prawn woul.l bebeve their ..,Letions
to the tnitr-ry. land. r throe citcuta.ta::cis he must oppose t •
second reading of the Bill.
Mr. BA I BURS defended the mra.ure. 111..,, he said, did
not, like the Mar Ali. ll Act, give Government an opportunity
of serdink; i ersiiiis .t of the king Ion;; but any
feji;larr under IL had a right ut aac.il to the Privy
Cooncil.

Lord A. HAMILTON contended that the BM did gin pds.
I Wen, a power of immediate appreheti.i.n.
Mr. BA !BURS not till tt.ra warrant from time Caws
or Irmo :he Privy Couuc4l.
Mr. 1101 t NLIt objected to the Bill, u taking tram Allem la
twit. wilt tLe Ling that protection wluck the assallll law

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would give them. Parliament mir,ht as well give a power, by al
wrt:ol d ca.het, or some oiler equally unconstitutional measure,
of arresting any of the King's suhj-c s.
Lord C.V.TI.EI4EAGH was not prepared' to make this Toys
jump from a state of tatrloe tl..trgt•r to one of such periCc: tran-
quility as the lion. Gentlemen who opposed this measure seemed
inclined to •!o. He 0141413 th,re Eli was a necessity, though a
Ilntigate.l lOr this l'aili.tmentary measure.
' Lord 30: N USS 1: 1.1. irioose.i :in. second reading.
The House: disn slieided—lor the second resoling 92—Against
it 23.

creesesse SUFFERERS.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved the Order of the Day for the Committee of
Serply. It was ordered that the Civil List Accounts,
the Miscellaneous Estimates, and the Prince Regent's
Message relative to the German Sufferers be referred
to the Committer. The House. having resolved it-
adi into the Committee,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
rose and said that among the various circumstances
which had adorned the ikitish character and raised
the British name of late years, was the exertion of our
liherality towards the sufferers of other nations.
.Among those to, whom the support of Parliament had
been extended there were none who had a better
claim to their liberality than those to whom he should
call the attention of the Committee, whether they
considered the unprecedented ravages of the war or
the merit:. and patriotism of those who had suffered
from them. Ameng these sufferers were, our fellow-
subjects in Hanover; the unfortunate inhabitants of
Hamburg!), v.lio by a premature declaration of their
zeal in the cense of Europe, had subjected themselves
to the vengeance of the late Ruler of France ; the
brave Silesiatis ; tae companioes and countrymen of
the pallant Blucher, and the inlet'eitants of Saxony,
who in the unexampled battle of Leipsic saw their
country laid waste for 30 leagues round that city.
The extent of the waste committed defied all compa-
rison with former wars. The magnitude of the con-
tending armies who had inoved.without magazines,
and with a rapidity ueknown in former wars, from
the Vistula to the Rhine, over SJ vast an extent of
cenntry, had rendered the devastation terrible. At
times when the theatre of war had been more narrow,
and the contending armies of more limited magni-
tude, it* had often happened that a cmmtry was en-
riched by war, but as in the late conflict no regula-
tioni could have been adopted for payment, all was
exertion, violence, rapacity, and devastation. There
had been a waste of lives and wanton ravage num.
aMpled. The contribution which he had to propose
in aid of the voluntary contributions, wes undoubt-
edly large, being a sum of £lOO,OOO, but the spon-
taneous liberality of the British public had exceeded
in amount this sum which was now demanded from
Parliament. This sum would be far from being a
remuneration for the loss sustained, for from the sum
already raised by private contributions, it was only
visible to grant 7000 dollars, where the extent of
lOas had been 700,000. This relief, though small in
proportion to the loss, would keep the sufferer from
sinking.under despondency and care. It would shew
him that his sufferings had not been forgotten, and
that we had not been less sensible to the sufferings of
Germany, area we were to those of Portugal. Ihe
Chancellor of the Exchequer concluded by moving a
Grant of 4100,000 to his ittiesty, to enable him to
afford relief to such inhabitants of Germany as had
suffered in their persons or property from the ravages
of the late war.
Mr. BANKES gave his hearty concurrence to the
proposition of his Right Hon. Friend. It would not
be decorous (he observed) if the great exettions of
private benevolence should be suffered to pass un-
aideel by Parliament. In votes similar to the present,
the charity was wont to be damped by doubts whe-
ther the grant would be discreetly applied. If they
could reason from analogy, they had nothing to fear
in the present instance, but they might rely that the
sum which they munificently granted would be pro-
vidently dispensed. The account of the distribution
of the List grant of money to Portugal was most sa-
tisfactory, and accounted with the utmost exactitude
for the smallezt sums. The Commissioners appointed
to distribt;te that sum, among wlrem was Mr. Croft,
who had drawn up the Repo: t, had occupied them-
selves in visiting the peasant in his cabin, desolated
by the ravages of the troops, and by a judicious ap-
plication of the money granted, had restered the bles-
sings of cultivation to that wasted land. He hoped
soon to see an account of the application of the more
recent and larger grant of £200,000 to Russia. It
Would be right to chew, amidst the splendour and re
joicings of the day, that the duties of humanity were
not neglected, but that in security or in danger we
retained cur disposition to save and succour all who
were in distress.
Mr. GOItIiON said he should oppose the grant.
The, speeches of the Right Hon. Gentleman (the
Chancellor of the Exchequer) did not make so little
'impression on the House or n him (Mr. Gcrdon),
that he cnuld forget his declaration cn the tot met
night, that they were not voting their own money but
that of their constituents. On that occasion the Right
Hon. Gentleman had opposed the provisional allow-
ance to those gall tut men v,lio fought in the bat-
tles of their country. It was 11;s maxim, that charity
begins at hi tae; and it was qt,t justifiable, that while
the Hill's.: iclused the increase of allowance, prop:)scd
by a Gallant General, to our Own brave and dis-
tress 'd corintrytheii, they should stek abroad objects
for tlieir benev, hence. ll' v..as no :,round for the in-
te. fereece of Pal liantroo that :nivete subscrip-
t; ~os bud I,t•en raiNrc!, for it sees obvious to every (lute
t!!at e ct:rttriliu.;on S were cl•cwaisplied to some
of tore7:4ll distre..i v.l id,. c.t cleft the pllhliC a
.:11!:‘ 11 the trt !I:2y rt. 7.: r.d . an-
twz,:e to 11w:tinny 11,:•:e to Z.Uppoll 011 f
OW). doru...stic in,tnu,:ons of :ha: he.
4Mr. ROSE Spoke in raw.ar of the rnot-rin, and,
Mr. %V If .11L1( f. llowed Ott the same tide,
nincrving that lie did rvit v:qe fir Vie increase of pay
to the strbal:ero ofiice,:r of ti,r2 army Was pro-
ptr,e4 by some Gentle ten, because f•c Lid not know-
ledge envigla of the case to satisfy his mind as to the
necessity which caile:i for the increase, neither coMel
his mind to vote azaitist the proposition.
re3,9ect to the motion before the Committee,
that our military officer;Would, if con.
be anroitg the first to support it. For those
men would never maintain that the bounty of
lent should not be granted to the suffering in.
ef Germany, merely because a particular
,on with respect to their pay or allowance, had
at trot to meet the approbatiott of that Hobse.

Mr. Alderman SMITH supported the ;notion, and
deprecated any attempt to discourage these voluntary
:contributions for the relief of distressed foreigners,
which proceeded from the best feelings of the country.
Mr. WHITBREAD said, that he could not hesi-
tate to express his opinion that this motion ought not
to be acceded to. He opposed upon the same grounds
which induced his disapprobation of a former grant
to the Portuguese, namely, that such a grant must
be inefficacious with regard to the mass fur whom it
was intended, while it was unjust towards thiscoun-
try. His Honourable Friend who spoke last, had
thought proper to be somewhat epigrammatic upon
the contrast between the refusal of a grant to our own
military officers, while it was proposed to be so libe-
ral to the inhabitants of another country; but he
submitted that nothing could be more just than the
complaint which our officers had to prefer on this or.-
' casion, although the Honourable Gentlemen profes-
sed to think that they would, and ought to say to the
House--., You should grant to foreigners that libe-
rality which you deny to us." Thus the Honourable
Gentleman would appear to argue, that the House
should be rather generous than just. For justice
called upon Parliament to acknowledge the prior
claim of our own officers. If the state of our finances
were pleaded as a reason for refusing to accede to a
claim in favour of cur Officers, still he would main-
tain, that we ought to he just before we were gene-
rous. But Witte state of our finances were not theonly
cause of objection to attend to the claims referred to.
awl that we were called upon to obey the voice of
humanity, in favour of those people who had suffered
by the war, lie would ask, was the voice to cry in
vain when it implored' our consideration for the thou-
sands of widows and orphans which the war had pro-
Lived in our own country ? Was the appeal of these
numerous objects of compassion to have no influence
upon Parliament, while our interest was so much
excited by the suffering of fereigners ? Were he to
follow alone the feelings of his heart, he should natu-
rally shrink from opposing any proposition for the
relief of human suffering ; but he must oppose this
motion upon, he repeated, the same grounds which
urged his resistance to a similar Grant with respect
to Portugal. He disapproved of such grants, be-
cause justice claimed a precedency of consialeratian
for our own people, and because extended to other
nations, they must be ineffectual. That the blessings
of gratitude would await us from such as experienced
any relief from our bounty in Portugal, he thought
very probable ; but still he couljnot think it a proof
of our discrimination or justice, to prefer the grati-
tude.of foreigners to that and the relief of our own
people. The same observation which he had made
as to Portugal, was equally applicable to the people
of Russia and Germany. The people of these coun-
tries should look for relief from their own Govern-
ments, rather than to the Government of this coun-
try, which had quite enough in the suffering of its
own subjects to occupy its attention, especially con-
sidering the amount of its means. rur although some
Gentlemen talked so pompously of the extent of our
resources, observing that we ought to afford from our
superfluity the means of relief to others, be ( Mr. W. )
suggested the propriety of considering a little calmly
the nature of these resources. He would indeed ask
any Gentleman to point out where he could find rea-
sons to believe that these resources were not finite—
did the Right Honourabte Gentleman, the Chancel-
lor of the Exchequer, so believe ? For his own pat t
he must say, that although his feelings were alive to
such a claim as the motion referred to, his judgment
refused to accede, because, with the other reasons
he had stated, he did not think that our finances
should be so disposed of. The circumstances of
our present situation in the ..nj•ryment of peace, .ind
a harvest of glory, were no doubt very flattering, but
when the day of reckoning came, he much feared it
would press very hard upon England ; and he ap-
prehended that our gallant officers who had for fU
years teen struggling to produce that situation, would
have cause to repine, that white a just reward was
refused to them, a liberal bounty was extended to
foreigners. As -to the al!:ision of the Honourable
Alderman
(Smith), to voluntary contributions, he
should say, that he would ue sorry to damp tire
spirit of benevolence in whatever shape it was exhi-
bited, but he was very sorry to understand, that in pro-
portion as the contributions for the relief of foreigners'
had increased, tl,e several institutions for the support
of our own distressed fellow subjects had been round
to languish.--(Thar, knir.) Tins tact, of which he
was assured, was to his mind a cause of melancholy
contemplation, but it was naturally to be expected; for
as the means of every individual were finite, a con-
tribution to one object west naturally reduce atten-
tion to another. The Honourable Gentleman con-
cluded with stating, that it he were to vote according
to his feelings, lie should suppott the grant to the
utmost, but attending to the considerations of reason,
he felt it his duty to vote against the motion.
Mr. Wii.nEntiouce explained.
I.ord CASTLEREAGH thought the principle
of the grant was wise in itself; alto whenever public
lecling appeared so strong 'is upon the present occa-
sion, it never could be' improper in Parliament to fol-
low it. The question for consideration was, what
was the sound feeling widi respect to the grant, both
at home and abroad ? Nothing had a tendency to
make character so sitting as liberality of this nature ;
and in fact it was our own security to act upon such
an elevation of principie as to make the sufferings tat
others our own. It was a great recori eudatiun of
the present ineasme, that the House had been antici-
pated by the public, who had c.nne for.waid sponta-
neously on the occasion, and with a ltberaiity that
did honour to their feelings. lly such conduct a
moral excitement would be r:.ised, which would be of
great imp:tit:ince to the reiiel cf individuals by calling
forth their own exertions ; but independently of clan,
a great practical relict had been ;worded to the ac-
tual sufferers, and a great step had b:eit taken to fur-
nish them with that employ anent, and to administer
that comfort, which could not have taken place for
years without some external aid. The state of many
parts of the country that had been overrun by the
enemy was deplorable in the extreme. The seed-corn
had been destroyed, the cattle had been taken away,
and all the materials of industry had been consumed,
which, witlkart assistance hour abroad, could never
be restored. It was not f tit to contrast domestic
.with foreign sufferings ; and no measure could'be
more truly political than one which tended to conci-
hate the affections by relieving the wants and reatov- I
int, the distresses of others.

Mr. FORBES contended, that from the grants that
had been formerly made to Porto&lztild Russia,
coupled with the proposed grant to
Germany, there
was a permanent annual expense
to the country of
R 20,000 per annum. A considerable sum was at
present in the hands of the Russian Committee of
which they were at a loss how to dispose. A subscrip.
for the relief of the Rus-
htande abmeeonunstenotf
to him him from Bombay, and the
Committee would not receive it. We should be just
lion a
s, to
before we were generous, and the voluntary contribu-
tions that had been so liberally subscribed might serve
as a good reason for diminishing the proposed grant.
Lord CASTLEREAGH stated that every degree
of attention had been paid to the distribution of the
Russian contributions, though the accounts had not
been wound up as in the case of Portugal. NVlten that
should take place, he had no doubt the result would
be equally satisfactory. There were numerous clai-
mants in Russia who would be happy to participate
in the 41000 stated to have been transmitted to the
Hoe. Gentleman, and the money ,would be most
thankfully received, and most usefully' employed.
Mr. TIE ItNEY.—If nobody in Russia would take
the money, the lion. Gentleman would be at no loss
to find many in this country who would gladly take
it. He should wish to know what were the smti-
ments of those foreign powers whose Ministers were
now in the country, as the sum voted to Russia had
been said to be unsatisfactory ? The No:de Lord,
(said Mr. Tierney) shakes his head, an usual prac-
tice with hint, when dissatisfaction is expressed at a
grant of money. One argument of the Noble Lori
was singular enough ; that the proposed grant world
establish and uphold the character of the country.—
It would appear, then, that England, whicit for the
last twenty years had bled at every pore, and wl.ich
had made such enormous sacrifices both of men and
money for the common cause, required her chat-aver
to be established on the Continent by a grant of
seloo,ooo. (Hear, hear.) Would those who had re-
covered those dominions contribute nothing to the
relief of their suffering subjects, and pay r For
the territories they had regained ? The House had
been called on by the R;ght Hon. Gentleman to con-
tribute to the relief of their fellow-subjects in Hanover.
He should be glad to know what had been paid by
the Regency of Hanover, and by persons closely con-
nected and deerly interested in the fate of that coun-
try, for the selirf of its suffering inhabitants. (hear,
hear.) The resources of the country ought to be ap-
plied to relieve distress at home. The case of the
Subaltern Oilicers had been put upon a tooting of
ceconotny ; and it most be a galling consideration
for them to reflect, that others had got what they had
missed, and that what was refused to them had been
granted to foreigners. Midshipmen, to t!:e number
of 3000, would now be thrown nut of employmera,
without any provision being made, and with habits
that reivfered them unfit kr any other situation of
life. The Crown hid tfrote!lit proper to calf upon
the House to relieve the baker:rs in Germany, but
the necessity for'relief was equally great at home.—
ln voting the public money the House was supposed
to be ready enoligh ; hut upon the present occasion
he could not agree to the proposed vote, velich, from
principle, and principle alone, lie was reluctantly com-
pelled to oppose.
Loid CAS i'LUREAGH said that the aid firm
this country was v..-ry well and kindly receiv J e by
the foteia,n Governments, Russia as well as others.
The Officers in our servi.e entered oith a view of
half-pay, but would ciatte out of it a -
with greater
allowance than they contemplated on entering,
is the
proportion of Is. 10d. to 3s. Every thing might be
perverted by the use of dangerous though specious
arguments. 'rue liberality proposed tot rein suf.
ferers had no connection witn the arr., 4,ernents of
the Army hall-pay.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
had only objected to increasing the hait-viy., oec.,ase
it would derange the whole system. As to grants
to foreigners, the Germans hid suffere Liteaalfully.
The exettions of Prussia had then inconc.-ivab.y
great. Even delicate and .-eiirn-d I i..l:es Lad dev,,ted
themselves to cases which stiii4ht inspise itnJ
horror into persons of firmer nt.rves. The Rtng
Prussia had expressed here his thankfulness to the
Committee for voluntary conuibutions, and had him.
self suhssribed.

Mr. H; THORNTON and Sir T. ACKLAND spoke in
favour of the grant, which was agiced to without a

Pfllß CLEftt:Y.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved for the grant of £lOO,OOO to aid et Queen
Ann's Bounty to the Poor Clergy. Among the ob-
jects of this grant, it was intended to include the cler-
gy of Jetsey, Guernsey, Alderney, 3/c.
Mr. W. S M ITH opposed the grant; not because the
Clergy were not respectable and meritorious, and very
often insufficiently paid, but because it was proper to
make a pre‘ions enquiry into the church revenues,
and thereLy to ascertain whether they were sufficient
to relieve the poorer clergy. They might not be so,
yet enquiry was war.

Mr. H6RNE R.—The clergy of Jersey, &c. were
no more entitled to this relict- than those of the list
and West Indies, or the Isle of Man, or any others
who did not contribute to the revenues of England
and Wales, front which this relief was to be afforded.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said that the proposition Was made to Ow Pi ivy Coun.
cil, and it was not thought expedient to m.ike it a se.
panne question. The Isle of 'Man was, in some re-
spects, an independent place; and the West Indies,
though under the Ecclesiastical authority of the
sLop of London, were rot like Jersey, &c. annexed to
a diocese, as these latter were to that of Winchester.
A conversation ensued between Mr. flouNiut, Mr.
WYNNE, the CHANCELLOR of the Escura.turat, Mr.
I.lamus, bir EGERTON &c. it Ninth the
lICSOIUGOiI was cat tied.

CIVIL LIST.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved to grant acllB,ooo to defray the defietencies
of the Civil List. The expences of the Civil List, he
observed, consisted of two branches. Those of the
King's private household had been reduced, but there
WAS an increase in the political department. In the
first class, in the establishments of the Roy.►l Family,
there had been no alteration. The second class, the
salaries of Judges remained the san:e. In the third,
the salaries to our Ministers abroad, there had been a
considerable increase, as m►ght be expected, amount-
ing to £13,000. In the sixth class, however, to

counterbalance this addition, there was a diminution
of £6,000 in pensions to Ministers unemployed, which
of course ceased, the same persons having been called
upon for their services again. In the fourth claws of
the Household, there was a decrease of dil',ooo. In
the Lord Chamberlain's and Lord Steward's depart-
ments, there was an equal diminution In the fifth
class, there was an augmentation of £3,000. Under
the head of miscellaneous payments, there was an in-
crease of £SO,OOO, from £95,000 to £e1'25,000. In
presents to foreign Ministers, there had been an addi-
tios of £lO,OOO. There had also been a sum of
£lOO,OOO appropriated to the due and magnificent
entertainment of the foreign Sovereigns. The whole
amount of the Civil List in the last•year, had been
5e1,309,000, and in the present year £1,349,000.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer concluded with
alluding to a Royal Palace, which was at present
only in remote contemplation, but which, if erected,
would cost £500,000. _ _

yep
June,
ecui useslidrixtv
hen could,
iwas
quite therefore,
Mr. TIERNEY.must say that this was, at least,
t
asevses
Session;
se; rtiho
curse subjectbeing fnoor the
time
consideration di rt
iant
this.
tAhesn :lot
Civil List was going on, it was quite without limits.
nh,avoes
byth tqhouestAi
colts.
By the present system,
n
ar
n
dies of complicated papers. It requirecra Committee
tbicoh:emrovreyaeei iltedoomenrl attempt onlytt expired
discussion
pipirtt:d harassing hiAtnel
the House with ba.
above stairs, with power to call and examine wit-
nesses ; and nothing less was sufficient, in order to
any right understanding of the business. He had been
itold on a previous occasion, that it was treading on
sacred ground to ask for witnes.es respecting the civil
.t, elingli he might move for papers; while, at the
came time, Commissioners were Appointed under the
Board of XVl•rks for a similar investigation, the result
of which had been a teport, and the banging in of a
bill to remedy thedefects. Without such previous exa-
mina,ion of witnesses, lie would be bold to say, that
no b;11 would ever have been framed. He would go
farther back than the Chancellor of the Exchequer
seemed to wish, and lui,lc at the experience of 5 years.
In the year 1811-12, which was a sort of mixed
year, there was an increase of £lOO,OOO. He sup.
nosed this might be owing to the Regency then oc-
curring, which occasioned a double Royal Estabisit-
memt. But if the last two years of unrestricted Re-
gency were considered, and a fair comparison made,
it would appear, that, adding illlOO,OOO a-year, foe
various circumstances, the Civil List would be
£2,445,000 for 1810 and 1811, and £2,600,000 odd
fur 1819 and 1914. There was an excess of £214,000.
That excess remained to be accounted for, in some
way or other. He was casting no censure, .nor ac-
cusing any Gentleman in particular, for these ex-
cesses. He could not help noticing the sum of
£24,000, charged for Sir Charles Stuart': expenses
as Minister at Lisbon. This appeared enormous.
He did not mean to say that it was not right, or that
Sr.: Charles Stuart did not thinl/4 it necessary expen-
diture: but what return could he then move for, to
get the details on the subject Nothing could be
done, without examining some persons from the l'rea-
bury. The Right Honourable Gentleman, pointing
out to the House where the exceedings were, was not
proving them necessary. Was not the admitted in-
ceense of .00,000 a-year at home, a matter of consi-
derable importance ? Excess might (recto, but the
Crown was required and expected to keep within
bounds. yet s ace 1804 the exceedings on thv Civil
List had actu..lly been recognized by Parliament as
amounting t 4124,000 a-year ; and within toe two
list years, they hid advanced to no less than two
hundred and forty thousand pounds a-year. Was
there not something wrong here ?-8. something rot.
ten in the state of Denmark ?" It was true, that at
this period of the session the matter must be postponed,
but he traced that it would not be forgotten. He
WAS as ansiolis ior the real magnificence and splendour
of the Crown as any man within those walls; yet a
solem bargain with Parliament ought to be abided
by. For tea years, however, it had been set at neon •t.
—lt was said that there were no means of preserving
economy in the expenses, from the increast of prices
of provisions, &c.; but it was worth while to Link at
the scale of some .if the expenses of ths. Royal Fa.
miry. The tots! of the Civil List, the reveriae trim
the Cons,,lidated rand. and an annual stun, was
81,700,000 a-year. Ot that sum. the R.:lyal Fain,iy
had £571,000, all totally five from the charges of ?hit
departments of Master the Horse, Ciamberlaiu,
taxes, &c. &c. ; but in hard money. He hoped he
w.is saying 'nothing invidi, us ; out only Jo rig his
duty to the public in stating this. and noticing the
subdivision of this sum. Tile chief feature was the
enormity of the Windsor establis:iment. l'here wets
some arguments in its layout, when hopes were held
out of the desirable event of the King's recovery :
but it would now be quite affectation to say that my
such hopes existed—!ndeed it would be so to wish it:
he meant of course for his Majesty's own talc
immense NVinsisor establishmritt was now complee ly
a separate one. By the transfer of the establistimeot
an expense of £20,000 a year was at once cue ted.
The king now received kliio,ooo a year, the Q .eon
aniCdl.d6tti:si(i7g: a
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And all this, too, was at Windsor, at a time which
was one of affliction anti mourning, when no sign of
gaiety was to appear ! Need her Majesty have the
entire disposal of ,e29,),000 a year, with the slight
exception of the provision for the Princesses? Hs did
not state this for the first time : he thought tow pro-
position monstrous when Mr. Percent first brought
it forward. It was absurd now to say it was requi.
site. The next thing was the establishment of sue
Prince Regent. His Royal High nets
purse of rE60,000, and he had also, he(Mr. Tierney) Old not exactly know why, ..n d mul £lo,oou
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year. Why, it she King's privy puree was aaii • 000
a year, should the Prince's be £70,000 ?• This Privy
parse was under two heads : one of £60,000, the
other of £lO,OOO. His Royal Highness had airakooo
a year as Prince of Wales : but why, OR his regency,

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