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they introduceri the megitre to angle
and fuch moil unqueftionably was the charkler
and difpolition of his Right Hon. Friend, who had
moved the claufe fo Rrongly reprobated by. the
Hon. Gentleman. In prelling that claufe as it
now flood it was not his intention to perfitto 'His
with only was to purfue the fame mode that had
been adopted refpeeting other Bills of a fimilar na-
ture, and to limit it to fix weeks, two months, or
rather to the asth of Marth next. He was furprif-
ed to hear the Honourable Gentleman argue
againß the principle of the Bill, fince he himfelf
acknowledged that it was carried into execntion
in fo lenient a manner by the Marquis Cornwallis,
whom the Honourable Gentleman now admits
has given faneion and approbation to the mea.
Cure. He betides admits its necellity in feveral
parts of Ireland; and thefe reafons, he confetfes,
had diffnaded him from oppofing it. For his part,
thongly as he was convinced of the neeeffity of
the meafure, he would not propofe its being con-
tinued fo long as the term Rated by his Right Ho-
nourable Friend. He withed the Houfe to hive'
it in their power to enter again into the difcuffion
of its expediency, and maturely to confider whe-
ther they fhould again ground the Bill on the Re-
port already before them, or on the evidence, and
at the recommendation of a future Committee.—

He was not aware that fo long a duration as the
continnanee of the war would lave been propofed
by his Right Hon. Friend; he hoped the reitora-
tion of peace was not at fo great a diltance as
Gentlemen appeared to apprehend. This he look.
ed to with a fond hope, though he could not ray
with confidence ; but h;felt himfelf fully juftified
in faying fo, in order to counteraa the fuppoti.
tions that Tome Gentlemen were In fludious in
throwing out, that peace was unattainable. So dif-
ferent was his opinion, that he hoped this defirable
()Ned would be accomplifhed before the period to
which he Ihnuld move that the duration of this
Bill be limited—he meant the :sth of March next.
'This hope he was the more anxious to exprefs as
he trufted it would defeat the evil tendency of fup-
pofitions to the contrary, to which he had already
alluded. The Right Hon. Gentleman conclud-
ed by moving an amendment, that the duration of
the Bill be limited to the stth of March next.
Mr. Possonar was lorry to hear the Right Ho-
nourable Gentleman exprefs merely a hope, and
not a confidence, of the fpeedv rdtoration of peace.
Mr. Galt conceived himfeif to be perfonally al-
luded to in what fell from the Right Honourable
the Chancellor of-the Exchequer in the conclud-
ing part of his fpeeeh. On a former occafion he
had indeed expreffed a with to know if it was the
intention of the Right Honourable Gentleman to
give any intimation to Parliament before the dole
of the Sam, of the progrefs, if any, that was
made in the negoeiation for peace. But be could
fee no reafon why the Right Honourable Gentle-
man (Muhl fay that he would defeat the purpofe
of Inch enquiries, and that he was bound as an
honeft man to frarate the tendency of the in-
finuations which filch enquiries teemed calculated
to throw out. There was nothing laid on the pre-
fent occafion, that called on the Right Honour-
able
Gentleman to make fuels an obfervation.—
When he put the queftion to the Right. Honour.
able Gentleman, he did not mean to prefs him for
any information that it might be improper ;n him
to afford, but merely that the Houfe might learn
if the negociation was yet in train. All that the
!onourible Gentleman now lays is, that he looks
with hopes to peace, but not with confidence: and
from Inch an affertion furely nothing very precife
or conciliatory could be gathered. This, however,
was not the point to which the Committee fhould
now direft their attention. They had juft *knelled
a moil unprecedented want of attention in the
Honourable Gentleman who had brought forward
the pi-dent meafure. That Right Honourable
Gentleman comes forward and propofes a queftion
with which the firft Minifter of the country con.
fetes himfelf to be wholly unacquainted. Is this
the concert and co-operation with which the new
adminittration confers themfelves to aft ? Not only
the firft Knitter ignorant of the meafure which
one of his colleagues is to bring forward, but he
is the very perfon who is obliged to rile and move
an amendment to it.—lt was in his mind a melan-
choly profpca for Ireland to obferve that a Gen-
tleman, who before he was in office, and fince,
was always fonovolt to propofe revere and bloody
laws, and even to revive thufe of that defcription
which had been fuffered to expire, fhould now be
the perfon cholen to Luke a (bare in the admini-
ftration of that country. Whircould be expected
from the mild, parental (pink of the adminiftration
of a Gentleman, whnfe former conduct had been
marked by the proporill of loch harfh meafures,
and who now, without any previous notice to the
Houle, or any concert and confultation with his
colleagues, proptifes the enactment of Martial Law
over the whole of that country, and that to be
continued for an indefinite time, during the con-
tinuance of the war, even though the neceffity of
loch a meafure might in the interim have ceded t
A meafure fo extraordinary in its nature, and dif.
doling loch an extraordinary incident in the con-
dna of adminiftration, he, for one, would ever re-
probate, and fo linguist were its features, that he
crafted Parliament would not permit it to pals by
unnoticed or unexplained.
The CH•NCRIAOR of the EXCHIVISR exprefred
his aftonithment at the tone and temper in which
the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Grey) had treated his
Right Hon. Friend, who he did not imagine had•
a Jingle enemy in that Houle, until he heard the
(precis of the Hon. Gentleman. That frech be-
trayed a degree of political enmity which it grieved
him to obferve. Indeed he was guilty of -an in-
plaice towards his Right Honounibk Friend him-
MI, by making ufe of an ezpreffion that was
turned to his diradvantage. What he meant to
have raid was, that he did not to expel[ to hear
the motion made by his Right Honourable Friend
at the moment that be mule it. The intention of
making it was communicated to bins yefterday,
and hi: Right Honourable Friend imagined that
he was in favour of it. Bat his approbation of the
meafnre was expected loorely and generally, and
~id not extend to all the clanks of the NIL As
to the iormations thrown out again* the !ince.

I himfclf
.with

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rity novernment in theirendeAvonti fn uego-
ciate a peace, he was et a les to difeover the Intl
grounds for them. The Honourable Gentleman
had no right to call that fincerity in queftion. His
individual honour and charader, svhethet in his
private or public conduit, he would be ever ready
to vindicate ; and until the Honourable Gentle-
man. fuCceeded in (hewing Tome incongruity, be
tween his -words and his actions, any attempt to
impeach his fincerity mutt' prove •abortiVei -A
regard to the public interelt requiredthathefhould
thus alert his charader for.fincerity.• For thofe
intereils mightbeinjured if the infinuations thrown
out againll it on a point fo momentous as that of
Peace, were permitted to gain ground, ' Such in-
finuations were the more painful to him when they
came from a perfon whole good opinion he once
fuppofed himfelf to have enjoyed. •s• •
Mr. GREY, in explanation, laid, that he hactno
perfonal enmity to any Gentleman in the Houfe.
He had harboured always the molt favourable
opinion of the Right Hon. Gentleman in his for-
mer capacity, and he flill entertained thatmpinion
of his private worth. But of his 'conduit/ as a
Minifter, he fhould continue to reprobate, tire-
clan y aslong as his meafures appeared to be rnextel-
led on the principles of the late Adminifiratiun.
He would again repeat that he bore no private
enmity to any man; but that he 11'00.1 remain a
decided and trrecnneilable enemy to all thu mea-
lures of an arbitrary Government.
Mr. ABBOTT contended that he had done no—
thing that was not warranted by the Report of the
Committee, which flared that the rebellion in Ire-
land would never lublide as long as any hope of
foreign aid was entertained by the dileontented.
He merely ailed as the organ of the Committer in
prop:Wing the extent of time to «Ears the operation
of the Bill thould be limited, and he Mt no re-
proach due to him for adopting-the conclulions the
Committee had thought proper to draw from the
information laid before them As to the future
Government of Ireland, every thing aufpicious
might be augured turn .he known charader of the
Nobleman who had taken upon him the admini-
tiration of that country :—it would be impartial,
humane, and merciful, where mercy did not coun-
tered the purpofes of law. As to his own parlia-
mentary conduit, he fhould leave it to the Houfe
to judge of its propriety or impropriety ; he would
not hefitate even to fubmit it to the judgment of the
Hon. Gentleman himfelf (Mr. Grey) when his
cooler moments left him in the full exercife of it....,
He was as irreconcilable an enemy to arbitrary
Government as the Honourable Gentleman could
be, and as zealous a friend to •good order and legal
freedom. His conduit, he trulled, would always
guide this rule.
Nitr onfcire ftbi, nulla pallacere calpa.
Mr. STEELE confeifed that he heard the attack
made upon his Right Hon. Friend with mixed
emotions of regret and indignation ; if any odium
attached to his Right Hon. Friend, for the motion
he made, he, for one, was ready to take his full
fhare of it--for he was,ready to fecond it if necef-
fary.
Mr.TIERNIY defended the conduit of Mr. Grey,
than whom no man enjoyed more the relped of
the Houfe, and the affedion of the country of
large. The Hon. Gentleman then proceeded to
animadvert very pointedly on the want of con-
cert that marked the meafures of Milliners, and
foreboded no very favourable Government for Ire-
land, from the councils of men whole opinions
were lb little in unifon. No terms were thong
enough to reprobate the Claufe propored by the
Right Hon. Gentleman: it juftly excited the in-
dignation of his Hon. Friend; for what could flit
up indignation in a liberal mind, if not an attempt
to deliver over a whole nation to the arm of mili-
tary law.
Mr. CORRY jullified the conduit of Mr. Abbott,
and the neceffity of the meafure propoled by him.
Mr. GREY Paid a few wards id explanation, and
appealed to his habits of debate, to thew the fu-
tility of Tome charges which had been adduced
againfl him by the friends of the Right Honoura-
ble Gentleman, of whole political charafter he
had ventured to give his fair and candid opinion.
For himfelf he was confcious of no violation of
decorum, of no breach of privilege, or of no at-
tack on the ellablifhed rules of civilized intercourfe,
and, therefore, the attacks levelled againft him he
was bound to difregard. Thofe perfons who, in
delivering their festoments, were guilty of coark
and illiberal abufe, had more reafon to aecuk
themfelves of a violation of the decency and de-
corum of the Houfe.
Mr. &rests difelaimed the defire of wounding
'the feelings of any Gentleman, however he might
differ with him in political opinion ; he made it
a rule to Wien to arguments front whatever quer- j
ter they came, with attention, and it was his with i
to exercife civility in every part-of battlers with
which he was connected.—He adverted to the mo-
tives which induced him to rite on a former part
of the evening, and declared that he was induced
to exprefs the opinion he had then Ilated, from a
-feeling of indignation at what he conceived unjuft
infinuations againft his Right Honourable Friend.
He fpoke with fume warmth of what he termed
the diflike of the Honourable Gentleman (Mr.
Grey) to thofe who differed with him in politics,
and mentioned the language he had employed as
hark and improper. to be tiled in debate.
Dr. LAWRRNCE (peaking to Order deprecated
farther perfonality, and recommended a diciest:
dikullion of the fubjed.
The Honourable Member, after 'adding a few
more remarks in juftification of his conduit, con•
eluded his explanation. '
Mr. Secretary YORKE was not an enemy to the
Amendment, though, if the original Chore had
been adhered to, it might have been with him a
matter of grave confideration, whether he would
not have green; -- The preterit- Bill
which no conftii

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lion of its neer

have beenme
edit-7 was
have continued
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I di% he went on to panegyrize the charade! sfe Vs
Right Honourable Friend, avhoft. chntlind was
equally eitimable from his aftiddiiY in Itufinel.,
from his hatred of all corrupt: anafrom his excel-
lent conflitutiopal principles. ..
Mr. WH it BREAD Cbllceived thatthe (peach of his
Hon. Friend (Mr. Grey) had been totally milcon
ctived. The pabegyries pronottnced on the Right
Honourable Gentleman might be sal 'true. Midi Rill
he might be unfit to be reccignlzed by the Wee
as a perftm itialifii:d fo:eonduCr'dieliffittre of lve:
land..• He mitt be a perfon diftittleitifited. by his
induAry; and .'s attention tcrthetdetails of office,
and Rill fuels might be his political :principles as
his Hoh.• r, lend bad reprifented: 'He conceived
that neither his Thin. Friends nor hitifelf would
be doing.their duty if they did not point out Ulna
festsses to' his!idtatider which in their 'pinion
dirqualified him to be an Executive Minifter of die
Crovat. He had no difficulty in raying then,' •
that the Right Hotionrable Gentleman had encli.a-
voured to iirengthen die hands of Guverument by
meafures not demanded by ciecumliances, nor COD;
filera '.viIII thepliaileges of a free People. ' [Here •
there was a cry. of :Tim- fiolikaril from: the Wadi-
rial fide.) This, the Henoprable Gentleman cc*
tended, vas the diftiadion laetarixt the prineip)d •
held by himfelf and his Hon. Fricags, and ills
would rept:at, that the Right Hon. Gentlentatt
Ihad, in tie Cattle offered to the Boat, propofed
tn.:yea the 'Crown • with the moil monfirous amt.
unheard-of power.; .After dilating romeWhit Move
'partictilarly on This tatrt, he begged leave to put
it to thet.flon.. and tried Gentleman who (opt,
'sorted the the meafitre, whether it had on the whole
' beer.. attended with I beneficial ?eft*. It ivas•aci
ierted in the C thmittee,that at this moment arme#
banditti traverfed ante parts of Ireland,, and raU
gaged the abodes of elonteflic happinere Bid lib
would alb, whether at -the 4cry -mohient that this
was. Rated, whether Martial Lan badhot exiftd,
and whether it was not under the dpieentinikiliff this
Lavitromuch calculated to reflote trinchtilfity to*
diftraded country, that all the crnclties.ctmrplainell
of were perpetrated? From this he beigged Gentle.
men to draw what ameltifion theY pliared, but for
hinifelfit convinced him that the law was %effica-
cious to the end propofcd: much had bein raid in
defence of the Bill, from the charade of the Mat'.
quisCorr.wallis,by whom it was forinerly exercifeci.
Much, he doubted not, might be Paid fcr Lord
Hardwicke, aralhe felt no difpnfition in the leak
to depreciate his charader;_he felt it.his duty to
refill all fuch arguments, and. only to view, the Biel
Conftitntioaally as capable of abule. '
Mr. LEE and Mr. MAN TIIE of allinly feverally
(poke in favour of the Bill as abfolutely necefrary
to rave Ireland from the recites which had deluged
it with blood.—The amendment was then put
and carried without a slivinon.
Mr. WHITBREAD, after a few prefatory remarks,
rofe to futimit a claufe the objectof which was to
allow no Court-Martial to fit under this Bill whore
numbers fbould be lets than 13, and no (entente
of death to be paired without the ctmcurrence of
nine members of the Court-Martial.
It was oppo(ed by the Sou ix-mt.
.:-01a teat, on
the ground that it would probably be impoffible,
without great inconvenience to the fervice, to pro-
cure at all times Courts-Martial fo nomerous ; and
on the queftion being put, it was rejected without
a divifion.
Mr. WRITBILIAD next moved, that it Mould be
allowed a prifoner to challenge thofc appointed tb
fit on Coots Martial, it being underftond that his
challenge was not to be peremptory, but judged
of by the Court.
After Tome very defultory converfation betwixt
Mr. Abbott, Mr. French, Mr. Yorke, and Mr. At-
torney General, the =cult of which was that the
claufe was withdrawn as unneceiTary,
Another clauie, fpecifying the necefility of a
Judge Advocate on all trials, was, after a few
words from Mr. Alexander, negatived.
A fourth, enacting that no punifhment different
from that allowed by the common law fhould be L
inflided under the application of this Bill, under-
went a fimilar oppofition, and (hared a fimilar fate.
Mr. WHITBREAD propofed a fifth, declaring,
that no perfon having. been acquitted by a Jury
fhould he liable to be tried for the fame offence be-
-1 fore a Court Martial. .
General WA,LroLt adverted to a cafe where this
had actually happened, bin from his peculiar fitu-
. ation (being, as we could coiled, on the Court Mar-
' tied), he was unable to enter into the particulars of •
the affair.
The ATTORNEY GE !VIRAL conceived there /1111 a
have been tome tniftake in the hulloes, for if fuch
a plea had been fairly and legally produced, he ap-
prehended that it would have been impolfible to
have gone on with the trial.
Mr. G. PONSONBY wifhed the learned Member
not to be peremptory in his afrertions, time he
could affure him that fimilar cafes had occurred.

The Arroas EY Gas ERA L retorted, and writhed
to be explicitly informed whether the plea in quer-
tion had been urged in a legal form ? If this could
be made out to be the cafe, lie ihnuld then be com-
pelled to admit what he had before believed to be
morally, if not phyfically, impoaible.
Mr. G. PONIOVEY, in reply, begged tette, to
allure the Learned Gentleman and the Hoilfe,
that tho' the cafes had not fallen under his own
immediate infpedion, yet they had been commu-
nicated to him by Lawyers svho had an opportu.
nity of kodwing the cireumftances, and whore ve-
racity he had no poffible reafon to impeach.
After a few obferiratirms from Mr. Guar and
General WALPOLE, the queflion was pot on the
Claufe, and, like all the others, it pallid in the
negative.
Mr. Dawson In conclnfion propofed a dilute,
requiring all perfons fitting on Courts Martial,
stonttituted in virtue of the Ad, to have completed
-aps:rieneinr

n matter of grave continuation, wuccncr nc wouna
committed in virtue at tne ricr, to nave Cr7Mpg.' CIA
✓ not have greenit hisfupport. The prefent was a Bill their 21 a year. The clan& experiencing rionfi.
:I which no conllitutional man could think.* steed- lion, the Honourable Member determined to di.
f ing to even for an hour, without a Rrong convie- vide the Houle, and for this purpofe the gallery
Lion of its necellity ; and on this principle it might was cleared ;no divifion we unteraood took place,
t have become a quellion of difficulty, after its ne- hut the ittlufe being neg.itived, the Bill pared the
e ceility was reeognized, whether it ought not to :!ommittee. The Houle was then refurned, and
have continued till after the conclufirm of the wet. the Report ordered for tn-tnortar. The other
As the claufe was withdrawn, he should content
orders beivr read, difpofed of, or &feared tillthis
▪ himfclf with fupporting the Amend:neut. From deb the I(oufe adjourued at Half p. Two.
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