Star.
London, England, 1814-06-08 00:00:00

before the House this

before.them, Taco A
The Earl of LA:
Noble Friend's idea it.
mittee of, Inquiry, and
other consideration, to press
severe in his resolution. He
be fixed for going into '"
from his Noble Friend

on the topic of the currency
and that a greater service Eot
fountry, now in the Moment 1/4
a thorough investigation, and
tairregulations, relative

expressed his.apprehensioo, that tinder the present cir-
cumstances., little or notractical benefit• insuld'anite
from paasingclie'Bilelniauestion. HeAind:stofokni ik
ceive that any rational objection could lie tol, prin- s'
ciplerof ahe-Bittror which the operation and effect n
were extertivpiklitrepresented tit iniatollerstood. t,;
The idea that the separate interests Of thelandhtlders '
. would be exclusively benefued by measures of the t
kind, and in.trutiltbllrd were on their sabjeuttmesse- f
parate intereettln the casontry. ^, 'hose whalinee 'the 11
advocates of hip .generalifikte4' of the 'epitii'l era t
could least of 'all consisientifobject toalts principle
of the Bill. Some objecidiato,littweyer, may be ap- 1
peeherided froin tiitilitedita -considered thd stiliject on
the idea that the.-11illtild asyaildie principle of the
boueties ; a system Whickhalitisted iit'tlaelOnritry j
since:the ;year • 1 OIL 7jiii. T,orflatip.' then aeferted , to
some'of the prominsittregolatione of the BoantyActi,,
aid seemed to glatsbe at tottain prdpositions in a latie•
production of a NoSterT ' '. He a.fterward.salltod."
fl
ed to the rednt fate,of a, • ,criiheeted with the .sub.
tect; in the other Hottee o Parliament, and observed
hat.a Committee otEaguiry had properly-been ap.
pointed in that Hothek and he thought their''Lord-
shipt could not misenvidy. their time 'bre2nsidering
further of the subject in a similar way. .( Hear, lisiir.i
—The Nob:e Lord concluded by moving the sisciond
reading of the Bill. On the question bemg ;Mt, a! .'
Lord GRENVILLE said he was far from object`.'
Cog:to the Bill before the ;House, or wishing to Mi_
venothe farmer, or any other body of men, from del.
riving the advantages which their capital and their'
industry might give them by any restraint on the free).
dom Of commerce; but be wished to be understood
that his consent was attiCgiven to this measure as
forming any part of, cache being connected with the
other *waster* relative tO the sane branch of trade,
which had 16I' same dine' been agitated in another'
place.. It was not regular to debate that measure
whietchnd been•debated in another place, and which
happily had been postponed, at least for the present
session, and which, he thought-.ahether rightly or not
—watild,jf pissed, be most • detrimental to the ma-
nufacturing interest, but above all, most detrimental
'Leib
the landed interest of thisskingdom. But he had
taken the first fit opportueity of,declaring his opinion
'that j was impossible that the measure cook' be a it
one for the adoption of Parliiiment during the present'
session ; at least, if not for other reasons, for this most
contiusive one—because-thefclnedation and substance
of tt', measure was a scale of clutlei varying accord-
ing to.thc :prioe.of thouticle, while the ci:lumstaneta
'of the country were such, that although it was not ex-
. pliined :in the -Bill ivlaaher the pike referred to was
th.,;# paid in gold or paper, the price one of these
-'' -curtrerteies might be 80s. in the other Os. lf their
' Lordsliitis didaiot first apply jil remedy to this most
prepanderant of all she evils
_which oppressed the
' "couatry it was impossible t 0362 sort. scale for the du-
-- .• '
tiesapi;yelne on imgerrtedeoln:•.• tie was, moreover,
con.incetl that it Watafile!tiltfi#.lajerest of any class
a inesi and's)* isijOyibei to,ifie mteteats of the cowl.
a , '.
• try, to oppose any obstacle to the bee importation of
the chief article of • the subsistence of its population.
It was needless for him to sayrthet in thus freely de-
livering his opinion, he vraenott emitting vulgar pre:
judice, of that because he differed from men who well
knew how much he esteemed them. on a question
which had divided the most able practical-statesmen,
he had any wish of impeding tb theM•in intention to
support one class to ;hear 'Of 'others. He dis-
claimed any suAltittin • hiiiielf—he 'disclaim-
ed any such imputation on-odters: Though such in-
tentvotf SSlN;far'froni the airopotbes of thelmealure, he.
thought bit effect would.be'equally injurious; it pre.
sent ll'eet was.ta raise tlie price of Corn : hi did not
beliene its effect would be to render it lower in future,
or more steady at any time. If the present evil was
neeietay, with a 'view toperingnent future good. the
Holm should lodk k steadily in the face 2 but to raise
the _price .of Corn was a measure which, ot all others,
their Lordships would adept most 'reluctantly, and
never but after a most *fult.inquiry• attended by
_an
absolute certainty, that SOthhenefit would bp -produc.
ed in future as to oin-balance the present evil. • That
the, price would be at present raised appeared most
clearly ; for as price was regulated by the proportion
of the demand to the supple,.how could .tlie price
fail to be raised, if, while the demand remained the
same, a great source of the supply was stopped? With
such a eertain-evil before him, he distrusted a specti.;'
lation which depended for the bened of a measure
%./. on future years or centuries; and rtes' the more dis-
trusted it, because it was in opposition to known facts,
end those generally acknowledged priociples o•f come
mercial freedom, 4 contradictioe of which sholo nl-1
way* be auPpo- rod by a. gram weight or pros 4' It
*as argued, that Isecaolc there were many depart Ores
(he lamented-there'Were ao.anaSiy) in oar laws from
the principles of fornmeretsl.fretifom, by the restric-
tions on foreign lied the bounties on domestic manu-
factures. whisk he douissedanot bad been iojurious to
the commercial prosperity of the country—(.flew,
lear,)-•-b7 torointeaStitiitenslihlslettry into the chan.
nels !oast ltdvainNieopejaq the country, that thaaiola.
, • tion of this prineepie ahoold be extended, to the Corp
Trad• ; but it wouldbt*hetter fours, in the supper-
tea of the pr. inciple grpy to abolish the violatiomil
of it t' gn 1.0 ettedd limb, . His Lordship then re-
Mifireds Out% thy eystple *U. bounties which the Bill
went to abolish, was a system for ,nailing the poor
• of other countries to CIA *et, bread cheep at the ear
pence of tam Wier!. op
ie* people of this eobsitty,
lekgatiluded by sayiegrahat the NI before their
Us Ottlips met with his "Wit hearty eotteOrreseta and
44 Cltb" *jut *Mt kg buft4 110414 Rol WAN I *I, .

'

^i
{

F

- Some of the principles, however, . in by
4 Noble Friend, he was from agreeing to :--and•
Tion these points, the Noble Earl enteretiinto some
letaiied discussion. He was of opinion, the high
vices of grain did not proceed from a rise in the
reets, bat chiefly from the state of the currency, and
1( way in which the financial system of the country
lad been. regulated., With his Noble Friend's idea,
het the prices must depend. upon_ the demand and
apply, he perfectly agreed
it the prices would be ti
nit is by faro* most benet.
couraging the importations
i 1 i effect of -discouraging
, wp corn. In the course •
Is 'acidiced a variety of argon:
he had advanced ,
he Earl of LIVERPOOL '
their Lordships with but a very
cp#on. He would make. no
Bik lately in its'progress throw)
rtiffiament, which was tonsil
Another Session. What he shOttld
confine simply to the Bill now t.
Theißill had his most entire and %.
because, he considered it as coming general
principle. He meant to a certain extent of freedom
of trade-. (Rea. r; isear,)—;w4ich ilihuld• hi aTiii,ys 7aZ.
hered to unless some strong and eleaogrounds,of ex.i
ceptian wise made out. There map exist in many
cases, and he not only completely agreed as is some
of the exceptions adverted to by the Noble Baron op-
posite (Lord Grenville) nay, with respect to some, be
went farther. There may be some cases in which
views of policy should preponderate ; and thettonsi-
derations referringto a new measure, were very diffe.
rent from those systems, whereon habits were totaned,
and, prejudices created. However, the Principle of
the present Bill, he thought, -was completely right, I
' hatever may be determined as to the other measure;
' ough if the principle of a free import was true and
just, the principle of ft free export ought to !Accom-
pany it. He saw no reason why the agriculturail in-
terest of the country should not be benefited on'the
same principle with those of any other. l'hity'sheeld
be placed on an equal foetiog, and ShohlAjtotilie;
borne upon by that which Would operate aso diseenta
ragement. The present Bill he considered at trading
to encourage agricultuie, and therefore a n:Cost*bc'nef
ficial measure, as increasing'tlie supply of thecountry,
and on these grounds he wodtcl.give it his support.
Lord G RENv I LLE spoke tit explanatioir; chiefly
in reference to what had fallen from his Nobleirriend
near him, and.laid it down as a fixed principle . with
Ilk°, that sudden-resolutions, in ;natters of such im-
portance, were not Only impolitic, but • in themselves
-aangerons. . . ',• • ••
The Bill was then read a. second listae, and ordered
to be comMitted on Friday.'" - '4'
The Earl of HARD WICKE then mentioned his
intention to move fOr the appointment of a Commit.
' tee to inquire into the general subject of which the
Bill formed a part. He suggested to-morrow, in the
first instance ; but after a short explanation, princi-
pally with the Earl of Lavinia:m.la, upon the point,
Friday was fixed as the day for proposing the motion.
Earl STANHOPE, slightly adverting ,to the loss
of the Bill in the other House of Parliament; obser-
ved, that if they wished to protect the poor, they could
not now do it on any other system than his otrin.
Sever al. of the Bills upon the table were then for-
warded.—Adjourned till to-morrow. •
HOUSE OP COMMONS.
The Copyright Bill and the Overseers of the Poor "sin were
committed and reported. The Reports were ordered to be fur.
tiler considered on Monday itetwdght. •
lbe Highway Big was dosnusftted and everted. The R •
was ordered to be further considered on Tuesday next. • ,
The Irish Fever Hospital Bin was read a second time and eons,
misted for Friday.
' -On Mr. BLAKE moving the Order of the Day
for the second reading of the Galway Voters Bill.
after a few words from Mr. Palma and Mr. Daamr,
the Gallery was cleared, but no division took place.
Whilst strangers were excluded, the Bill was ordered
to be read a second time this day six months—conse-
quently the Bill is lost. .
Mr. PEELE obtained leave to bring in a Bill to
amend the Irish Insolvent Debtors Act. The Bill was
brought in, read a first time, and ordered to be read a
second time, to-morrow.
Mr. BEELE also obtained leave to bring in a Bill
to repeal the several laws for the recovery of small
sums for servants wages, in Ireland, and to make
other provisions in their Stead. The Bill was brought
in, and ordered to be read a 2d time on Monday next.
Mr. LAMBTQN presented a Petition against any
change' iiithe Corn Laws from the town of Stinder-
,land, which was, he said, signed by 5000 persons. '
iSir C. t1,111.Kg4,1.. took this occasion of statiag.
.that very- laspapar -means' had been used to. obtain
signatures •to IMMO Of the Petitions presented to the
House - upon 'this subject. In one instance, that or
'the town of Kelso. be Was assured by the moat re.
.spectable authority, that the signatures el.Caliblaell.
9rffe arteaily issued to the retitiosu.o4llll,l•9ofts
Frenth pr 'Mere resorted to in order to eel
the fit of the petitioners. Such, or similar ieopoln.
Jim, upon the House ought, he felt, to biiiiiilig
exposed. The Petition warordered to lie on thole
Sir J. NEWPORT rose' to move for a return of
certain fees otiren in the several Courts of Juticest7::
In doing this.: lin4ssrwed that returns ,of feu had
been made frontesearal oflbs Courts. audit /sad bum
. _
stated in those mums,
made to the fees received
on comparing recent bills
years standing, he found
been made to several of
isstanced the feetAkeiblecii
die .King's. 101.04.. ' .
•
Id was now
.44. feesz;
. A $0 lath aio wee "

. •

.

; lint hisntOClecidimi- quiry bad eiscouraged,thi
to increase the supply, as of Justice, to: the great In
!ficial to the community. That it was the opinion i
ns would Materially have similar to thou of 1.732
the demand for *home- weplel be ecpedient.-3.
of his speech his Lord- shuld be presented to t
;Patents in Intpcirk of cer: th the wOuld'be pleasect
aced on a for evening. s and Gratuities tilt
)L said he sh-414tsoubia Justice Sialuld he'laid bef
very few words artheot. 'Mr- PULE could, not
to observation thd irst iaoa proposed h*
rough thenther HPLrie pi each went to cast a reflec
isidired as •to 'aught the ttight.iffon,
should says be 4 '" - 'e'eo dted trotlut Flopskhistini
w before their Lirdsltlpi.solution ae this before 1
and cordialapprabitio;i 'he would have taken
coming back rags gereeno da , whgp in consyquerice
. ..

Li onto Courts, *Wit had bees ee- end the
is, that sidditions had been "
red foe tile last 20 Taos ; yet, Pier; Oa had received le
bills LI cow with 014141 Of 20 From 114 Matt, ea( eb
and that great Waist* bad, uw4ft 11044.1.11.4
of -the hos. Hs • ibrosiimme •
is
4.4 *Clerk of Rosy
tish 90 Yilinerrilosa , '
iho feat. alio. go mg Ott wun ast 001
14 1440. Af4W .1111..'i yes it bad Onto(' every tenon 5•