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were obliged to make a selection of one description I 16,000.t0 21,000, though
of painting and sacrificeoverrother, were those, 14; ' spoken of it.as-a city in ti
was convinced, every one would be anxious to pre- grew tip ; yet this iticrispeht
serve, even' though all historical pictures were to be ri i had occurred ;ince 4198..
sacriticett—The Petition was then received. should be an efficient- Lor '
LIEUTZNANCY OF HUMAN!). county, as in Scotland.
Mr..HUME rose, in pursuance of his notice long tween Ireland -,end sconann,-eacept
ago given, to submit a motion as to the manner in . ances in the former sour-
which Ireland is at present governed. He wished to this country by a simil _ _ .
previously to state, that he was anxious to avoid any- that the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, could do no good
impression that he brought forward this subject with unless he gave himself up to a party to domineer
a !iew to reflect upon the conduct of Lord Wellesley. over bins and the population. -Ai-Ireland, therefore,
Though he confessed that he had been rather disap- had no surplus revenue, we had a right to do away
pointed as to the results of his administration, yet he with bis office altogether. The object of his Motion
was well aware that the Noble Marquis was placed in was, an Address to the King for a Commission to in-
a situation of no common difficulty : be had bad ob- quire whether the office of Lord Lieutenant, and other
stacles to contend with that bad existed for ages, and offices connected 'with the Government of Ireland,
it was not to be expected that he should at once be could not be abolished? This being merely a Motion'
able to overcome them. The King, in the appoint- for inquiry, it cools' not, as he conceived, meet with
ment of the present Lord Lieutenant, had been ac- any opposition front the House,
tinned by the best intentions, being desirous to put Mr. GOULBURN declared, that no personal fedi- 1
an end to party differences, and to place Protestants ing induced him to oppose the motion, on account of
and Catholics on the same footing in the administra- any interest which he might have in the office which
tion of the laws. Many persons had formerly anti- he held in Ireland. But he differed with the Honour•
cipated t. 14: the Union would have been favourable able Gentleman, on the ground that his motion was
to the peace of Ireland ; but he had caused a paper derogatory to the honour of Great Britain, and the
to be prepared which showed how the Protestants and best interests of Ireland. The saving to be effected
Catholics were situated with regard in the emolit- by the abolition of these offices was the sole object
ments of office. Although the 53d 'of George 111- the motion of the Honourable Gentleman, The pros-
c. 21. gave great facilities, to Catholics—though they position of the Honourable Gentleman went to give
were admissible to .all places but those specified in Ireland a King of her own, and permanently sepa-
the statute—yet it was astonishing to see how little rate her fromm-from this country, because she might
of the patronage and countenance of the Govern- entail an expense of four millions annually upon. this
ment of Ireland they had enjoyed, and it was impos- country. The House would look to theproptieCrpf
sible for Lord Wellesley to effect 'a change in this governing that country with a due regard tothe lei
respect on the sudden. It appeared from the docu- terests and feelings of the people. it appeared to
ment he had mentioned that the prOportion of Catho- him, that it was absolutely necessary for Ireland' to
lics to Protestants was ai follows:1 - - have a person there vested with almost all the powers
Protestants. Catholics. of Royal authority. This was necessary. in the super-
In the Post-office - - - 431 - 25 intendance of the administration of etime, in saving
Royal Dublin Society - - - 134 • 6
'Commissioners of Paving - 16 - a
the lives of an immense multitude of persons coon
-
Commissioners of the Port of Dublin 3$ . o demned to death in that country. In the last year
Commissioners of Wide Streets - 26 - 0 there were no less than four hundred capital eOO.-
Trustees of Linen Board -- - ' 74 - IS victions ; and all these cases had undergone the
OffiCersdependent on the Linea Board 71 - 3
111
. - 61 - g strictest and the 014 varied investigation. -It would
Commissioners of Stamps
Court of Chancery . - - - 8.4 - 0 be impossible for aariOfficer in London to •obtain,
Court of King's Bench - - - 12 - 0 within an adequate period of time,• the information
Coroners - - - - - 184 - 14, . necessary for him to judge rightly of art unfotiunate
Commissioners of Affidavits - - SU - 29
criminal's case. No one acquainted with Ireland was
Commissioners Of Customs - - 296 - 11
Commissioners of Excise - - MS - • ignorant of the fact, that a certain species of qualified
In the whole there were nearly 2.500 officers in Ire- obedience to the Royal authority was to be found in
land, in various departments, mad whom not more the people of Ireland; and if rthe duties of the Lord
than something above 100 were Catholics. In the Lieutenant were transferred to London, there would
law, departments there were.lo6 officers, with emolu- be an end to that respect for the Royal authority which
ments of about L 150,000 annually, and not- more was now to be found in Ireland. If he underitood
than one-third of them were Catholics: this Wks, how. the Hon. Gentkinan rightly, he meant to place the
ever, the greatest proportion in ant of the cases to
,Government of Ireland and all its duties in the-hands
which his list applied. Hilobject in noticisxg it was, _of the Secretary of State for the-Home Department of
to shew the difficulties under which the Marquis England. It could not be necessary for him to argue
Wellesley must have laboured. He wished now to this paint, or to shew the impossibility of such a pro-
call on the House to consider, whetherall theestablisto position. The Hon. Gentleman had no objection to
ment of the Lord Lieutenant could not be dispensed abolishing the one Lord Lieutenant, but he would
with; and whether the Government could not be- 'give to Ireland 32 Lord Lieutenants' with the same
carried on as well in London as in Dublin, and at powers as the former, event° the controul of thetroops
much less expense. Indeed, Mr. Pitt, and those who in their different districts.. ,Undiit such asystem how.
Supported the Union, did it-, as they declared. in hopes was the "lon. Crentleman's,,objeet of economy to. bit
that Ireland would in future 'become- as. if were a, -effected? The Hon. Gentleman had instanced-the
county of England ; from which circumstance- the case of Scotland; he had said that as there was no
greatest advantages would arise. • Certain it was, Lord Lieutenant in'Scotland, there should be none In
however, that no advantage had arisen from the Irish Ireland. His former argument answered that, for
Union; and surely the King and Parliament might a semblance of the kingly power was necessary in 're-
consider whether it was not possible to effect the oh-- land. He did not mean to say that the majority of
jects which those who promoted the Union had in offices in Ireland was not occupied by the Protestants,
view. The machinery of the Irish Government, as at but not in the same proportion as stated by the Hon.
present formed, he contended, was injurious to Ire- Gentleman. As long as this was the case offices
land, and expensive to the nation at large. The would be given to those who had the bulk of the pio.
office of Lord Lieutenant, was, by the regulations perty, and the educatiowof Ireland ; and be said this
which had taken place, become unnecessary. The 'without any undue reflections on the Catholics of Ire-
Treasury and Exchequer had been taken from Ireland, land.—What would be the feelings of any man in
and united with the English Treasury and Exchequer. Ireland if a Royal Commission were to sit in Dublin
The power of conferring honours of Knighthood and to examine the Lord Lieutenant and the Chief Seem-
• Peerage had been taken away, and scarcely any pub- tiry as to their duties and their- hours of office?
lie , act was done which was not first sanctioned by Would it be possiblefor a Lord Lieutenant to main-
the GoVernment here. The Hon. Member also corn tain his authority under such circumstances? .
tended, that if all this was done away, and Ireland; Sir H. PARNELL was confirmed *itt the opinion
instead of a Colonial Government, was .made an in- that it would be beneficial to Ireland to put an end to
tegral part of the Empire, much advantage would the authority of the Lord Lieutenant. In this am•
arise from the adoption of such a step. The public try-the Royal authority was disseminated through the
business should be placed under the Ministers of the land by the various Lord Lieutenants of Counties, and
Crown here, and Ireland should no longer be treated why not in Ireland ? By Acts of Parliament thealuties
as a Colony. Whilst she retained the form of a Co- of the Army, of the Customs, and. Finance, were to
lony, she would, as all our Colonies did, cost us more be done in this country ; and he thought it would be
than we received from her ; she did that at resent found that the only duty to be performed by the Lord
to the amount of three millions. The Lord Lieute- Lieutenant was that of Police; for the only corres-
nant, who, as he contended, was useless, would save pondents of the Lord Lieutenant,were Police-officers,
from 100;000/. to 130,0001. a year—the Lord Lieu- or English Colonels of Regiments.
tenant having 30,0001. of that. sum; this sum it was . Mr. DENNIS BROWNE said, that the effects of
desirable to save if possible, when we considered how the Union had been to take away from Dublin her
large a sum Ireland cost us—a sum not less than great sources ofadvantage ; and the taking away the
three millions annually. What were the duties of 100,000/. which the office of Lord Lieutenant re-
the Lord Lieutenant? Why, he could do nothing ceives' would be no saving, but ready, detrimental
without the Privy Council; and, therefore, all that. to the dignity of Ireland, and the interestsof Dublin.
was doneby the Lord Lieutenant, could be better done Mr. PEEL said, he had held for several yeatta one
in London by the Secretary of State for the Home of the offices which it was proposed to abolish, and
Department ; so much for business; and as to pa- now held the office which it was intended to give the
tronage, that would hi all taken away by the Bills burdens of these situations to; and therefore he flight
now before the House, and in future the Lord Lieu- be allowed to say a few words, in order to thew that
tenant would be only a puppet, answering no other the state of Ireland was not itch as to warrant the
purpose than to see the orders of this Government, removal of her Local Government. The question
forwarded from London, carried into effect. He was not one of expense, but whether that expense
must next inquire what had the Chief Secretary to, was conducive or not to the advantage of Ireland?
do? His business was divided into twelve depart- It was. in vain to say that there could be such an ef-
rnents: first, the Correspondence, this might be car- fectire check upon the Local Authorities in Ireland,
lied en as well, of better, in London than in Dublin. without a•resident Lord Lieutenant, especiallyas Ire-
Next, the Excise and Customs, but this branch of land hid lost her independent and separate Legisla-
bu mess -he was deprived of by the consolidation of sure: besides, was it not known that the Secretary
the Boards of Customs and Excise in England and of State for England had enough to do; and that
Ireland. Next was CountryCoi.respondencer surely his attention would be the least directed to the con-
this might be done as well in Downing.street as Dub- cerns and interests of the most distant country ?
lin. Next came the Ecclesiastical business; and he In the last year, there were 8312 convictions in cri-
would venture to say, all business of the Church, was, urinal cases in Ireland, in all of which there might
in fact, done here already. No Bishopric, no good have been applications on affidavits, fbr mercy, the
Living, was given away, without consulting this Go- examination of which would amount tQ a pew trial
vernment, and, therefore, instead of a convenience, iu each individual instance. The patronage, which
a great inconvenience attended the present system, was of real importance to the people of Ireland, was
namely, that a communication must be made to the still in the hands of the Lord Lieutenant, and .
Secretary here in London, and an answer must be re- was the patronage in the. Church. and Law. It was
turned, before any step could be taken bit the subject. -impossible to make the situation of Ireland the same.
The Honourable Gentleman, then proceeded to take as that of England. The present surely was not the
a review of the other duties of the Chief Secretary, proper time to weaken the authority of the 10en1434;
all of which, he 'contended, Might be pet formed ferment, which roust be the necessary ; ce
equally we.ll, if not better, in London than in Doto tithe Commission proposed by the Hoecetrabie
tin. If this system' were to be put down, Doblin del:lash—(Hear, bear).
might suffer considerably ; but' the population had Mr. A BERCROMBY said, that, tat the'qdestion
SD increased from 180,000 to 200,000 and upwards.— i been simply the removal of the Lord Lieutenitit, he

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pa,
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*et 1 amendment. .—Mr. Atonic opported it.—fie Rom A;,.:A ,
fist such-r
s:)runityninqu.e7rallf.te twltt,coritral7ll):o -For the
then rein!
, The other Orden were di •. .
PIP% rvernntOr• Tilllral -it Two eclocs IPacd of' 14141 the
Hal"
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,t „pia y . per wr who -*ad WO+ -------------- .
bi:Trelabd shoilld base-e-Weill
•:ary of State in England
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acted in the same way as

111. T was. of opinion that b._
meaftr„... ,ould he . Jre. prejudicial to. Ireland than
the. one prOpOstif. Were hetliV told Lieutenant, and
'such a Cornmislinit to he'hiitittited;' he would not
'held the office fora daf. • •Thia measute would add
to the strength of the factiotts. The people Of Ireland
would think the removal of the Lord Lieutenant the
last step of their degradation. nitq'-dfihe flaritity,
who now resided in the Cotintry,• viOnld* leave it,ilfl
the Lotd Lieutenant- was removed%
Mr. -Secretary CANNING said, he was compelled
to try the conflicting testimonies of Members to satisfy
him before divesting Ireland of a Local Government,
particularly at the present time. The way to view the
question was not as it migfithe now considered, but
supposing the Hon. Member's motion to be
carried into effect. The Hool".7llestendber moreover
.wished not only to abolish the Lord Lieutenant but,
the Secretary also. How then was this House to know
offieialli what occurred in Ireland? Host obtain loeal
information, if he was only, whenever my difficulty
or crisis occurred, to send a Commissioner or a Lord
'Lieutenant, and -thereby increase the evils intended to
be;done Away ?. Abs. maia objection was, that if they
removed in executive:power,. they would and mtts;
act according to the views of party. 'lf such a system,'
ware'now acted upon, they would soon find the table
of !the House loaded with Petitions, Stating the dis-
tance or the executive power, and demanding redress
for the grievances which theytientici thereby sustain.
It bad long been contended that thealsiiriction of so
many of the great landed proprietbis Mom. Irefand
had been the cause of much evil to that cOuniry:
What would now be said of the effects of the remosalt
of £lOO,OOO, front the trade of the Metropolis, as
well as the consequent advantages from the expen- '
diture of that sum to the country at large ? The only
link which remained to bind the Irish people to the"
English Government would be severed. He therefore
could not but think that the motion, if countenanced,
was not only not calculated to produce benefit; but
likely to cause great mischief to Ireland ; of course
he should- give his determined dissent to it. . • •
Mr. DAWSON opposed the motion.
Mr. R. MARTIN stated, that at the time of the
Union it 'was clearly understood there was always to
be a local Government in Ireland. He looked on the
motion of the Hon. Gentleman as somewhat revolts-
tionary, and should vote against it.
' Mr. HUTCHINSON should vote against the mos
tion, as it might have the appearance of throwing a
slur on the Government of Lord Wellesley which
would be of infinite mischief in the present state of
Ireland. The motion, if carried, must weaken the au•
thority of the Lord Lieutenant..
. • Sir G. HILL opposed the motion..
Mt. HUME replied.- No answer had been made
to his argumentt; but the two Chief Secretaries of
State had rode off on a horse that he had never
mounted —(4 laugh). He would have no objection
to leave out the Commission and Address his Ma-
jesty simply. to cause inquiry to be made. .
The motion was then negatived without a division,
EDUCATION tie IRELAND. .
• Sir J. NEWPORT, after some observations on
the -state of National Education in Ireland, pro-
posed several Resolutions. The first was, that Par-
liament would, at the commencement of the next Ses-
sion, enter into a full and accurate inquiry into the
state of Education in Ireland, and render the funds
available destined for that purpose, without any other
limitation, except the will of the donor.
Mr. GOULBURN thought it inexpedient; at the
'close of one Session of a Parliament, to enter into any
pledge as to its conduct in the nest; though be was
quite willing, in the next Session, to go into a Com-
mittee on the subject.
Mr. S. RICE said a few words, expressive of the
satisfaction he felt at the declaration made by the
Right Honourable Secretary for Irelaud, that in-
quiry should be instituted.
Sir J. NEWPORT said, that after what had fallen
from the Right Honourable Gentleman, he would
not press his motion, but, with the leave of the House,
would withdraw-it. •
After a -few words from Mr. C. GRANT, the mo-
tion was withdrawn. .
The Labour of Convicts BM leas read a third time and passed
Mr. PEELOscived the third reading of the Larce-
nies Benefit of Clergy Bill.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH was sorry to say, on look-
ing minutely to the Bill now under consideration. he
found that, instead of the provisions in it going' to
decrease, they would increase,' capital punishment ;
and the Amendment be should have to propose went
tiesmake the provisions pf the Bill agree with the
pseamble, which at present they did not. Now, as
the Bill at present stead, the preamble declared that
capital penishmerit should cease in all cases of abb.
lifting ; whilst, in fact, the clauses, as they now at • .
left the capital punishment in :fleas*, where the limp
was attached.to a dwelling•housi. This was, in f
a delusion on the Public, which ought not to exist;
and he should now propose an. Amendment, exteocip.
Avg the repeal' to all cases-of shop-lifting, whether *ha
dip was detached from or adjoining to the dwelling-
house. . He concluded by moving an amendment' to.
that effect. .
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL declared himself
sincere in his desire to' reduce capital offences; ana
to obtain this object as, far as possible Was the ine
Rion ofithis. Bill, the purport of which was, to re
the Statute of William on this subject t it never
intended to go_futther. • ' .. -. ..,
gr.'''. WILLIAMS so ported the Autendment. -''
The sofJCITOD.-anNltivA L. opinion! it. In the shop it,:
-tubed to a dwelling-Wise property was much more .:posed
spenlal servants; sad therefore, as the temptation was Great,l
end the property mace exposed. it Wu 'missy, U, iiiSo i
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that in tise forestation et this Babe bad: ' fet-
a...lt lay_she late Sir Sun R•psph. :. ••. • -. • -
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Current Prienst—New Boni* 54 ktirprusda
Russian Sok, Colombian 501, Danish SDI.
PRICE OF STOCKS AT ORR O'CLOCK; •
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Bache. Bills (C 1,000) 17s. 19s.—SmaU181.21i.,
Consols for Account 811/2 Va 1/2.

• REVOLUTION IN PORTUGAL.
At length one of the Lisbon Mails, of wirkh
nre still due, has, reached us. The papers
brings sow to the Ist inst..and tWty confirm theta*
ments in the Pre,* tipers, Or the successor*
counter-revolution, .k.. ca, that neither tbs 4
cisive decrees of the-Cortes, the change of the dreg;
ten, nor the assurance of the Ring, that be woeltioo
main faithful, to the Constitution could restrain the
desertion of the Army. General SIPULVEDA, seed
the first founders cf the Revolution which gsieslo
Constitution to Portugal, was appointed to the "kr
command, and charged with the defence of Liars.;
but he joined the Infant Don Alwyn..

At whit time the KING left Lisbon does not itit;
pear, but we have a Vrocianiation which he hoed
from Villa Frania, dated the 31st hist. His Ka.
Jewry states the circumstances which render a mach.
. fication of the Constitution 'necessary ; disclaims
with of absoltite power, whiCh he says he will ett
accept, and promises the people a new Constitution,
which shall secure their rights and the safety of the
Kingdom. We now ha, ten to lay before our Reuse
copious camas from the Lisbon Papers, which, as
containing the most authentic and only direct intelli-
gence of the counter-revolution, will be read with
great interest :

SUPPLEMENT TO THS DIARIO DO GOVERN(); )(0.11

LISBON, MAY 27.

This short paper states the defection of the 2
Regiment, seduced by Sampayo ; the departine sf
Don Miguel to join the Insurgents, and the
,that.the rest of the troops are faithful.

' SITTING OP THE CORTES, MAT 27. •
7PROIt THIt DIAIIO, 110. 126.

After some preliminary business had been dose;
the President suspended the debate to read ama
munication from the Permanent Deputation, statist
the defection of the 23d Regiment, the flight albs
Miguel, and that it had sent to General Sepulveda
to concert the military measures.

The following communication was then read:

44 Most Issurratous Aim Earn:am Ste,
" His Majesty, with grief of heart, orders me to lAA yot
Excellency that you may acquaint the Permanent DeptaMs,
for the purpose of aetincas may be advisable, that tbrlil
Don Miguel fled this night with the edd Regiment, as In alp
is a letter which be left to be delivered to the King. if
Ivey has already sent his Chamberlals to intimate to Matt.
turn to his duty, and Continues to take ail the measures that asp
prevent the evil which webs extraordinary step atryirolit
Con preserve your Excellency. -
wsk•
" Lisbon, May *7,11133.
(Signed) " JOSE DA SILVA CARIALIL- •
" To the Most Illustriona and Ealeelieet
Senor Agenda, Jose Fair.." . •
Senor Bolton CtsaNst.llo 5he1P.41.4114 Off
of the faction were the same as those proelakeelt
the despots of Europe. Adopted by the infasetek*
veira, and tending to 'depose fro= the dime &big
of kings, John VI. He prbposed to refer
communicative to a Committee, which
withoot delay to the Cortes, that lipeady
might be taken to obviate the • evils slim
the country. •
ofurior
Other Members enforced the necessity-
and prompt measures, and wished a1e6411144/ .
dfclared permanent. for,
Zee Committee of, Public Safety and DI,W.
which the matter was referred,. proposed•4‘er
1. That the Country he defamed to he Ineeksieleite
Y. That a message .be sent to the. Meg,
Ads Majesty icst "olvet;flig
Mee!

which ,
maintain

le:
ell hoonesisitti increased f . .1!otkld hare, Toted agains
gh some Hon. Membeis.h in4lstrt opotioo was only fo
the ttretoilisr sylkich the grass • 1 "4;6 cohsolidatilitlep
pork tht poi, of Dab! :a—thtto.great object of rote.
198; I!'
,hit 4 non 'there lertaktlt.iiesirahle, thati,of
..Lord Lieutenan for every. nags* the affairs tsUrn
Thlte was no difference he: ciotilEdge: but a Secret
land,..earept- in - the ,disterb- woold.-in most uses, tine
intry. They wereboth unites' Lord Wellesley<t 7 iWI
ilarunion ; and he had proved I sir JOHN NEWPORT
~-. a hi ip•nA enuld do no good meappre 'cogld be morej

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Jidda the Cosatitadma gives, ileattittepshadalif
iiihials the Site aad astaselt7 of tae ispitat. i'l :04 :
Article.l, passed %Tritium slibate4 .-
Ankle 2,-it debate arosei *Oise Reinhert.dianesit
was yielding to the factiettst ‘oklssrs:-.llaclare4lllol
was certain the -Present Mlnistendidellt ' i
public confidence, and onght thereferelithq
for the gootbiinaiation-. •: - • ..Nrovi .-. ; ~ . '
Senor Mothek itrentioned digit
to General Sepeleeda,,ie:whitklead #i,
'.retinired the-Teelovalordo4loo, =ail. ,
to the 're-portal the cAtelliiielle *PM 11.6 • ..,
the first thing d'0"04:14. the.ll*ol, ; Mt. , '
Sepulveda beiegie. ea adjoitißweipaatatnaile-*
senger was sent to ask him. frittbe.4o;llli•
then read. :,. -: - . -„;,. .4:..,....: , . ~i,i -).4",
Some other Meniberthavists spoken, fer mese
. .