Star.
London, England, 1807-01-24 00:00:00

IRISH MILITIA.

Mr. C. W. WYNNE moved that the Report of the Irina Mill.
to Service Bill be then received.
Lord CASTLEREAGH begged leave to a& the Right Hon.
Secretary at War, whether the extra pay allowed laR year from the
Lieutenant Colonel to the Subalterns dowowards, in the Regular..
Army, was extended to thole of the fame TWA in the hlilitia ? -
'e SECRETARY at WAR aufwered, that no fuch regulation
had yet been adopted.
Lord CASTLEREAGH raid he would recommend it to the
Noble Lord, whom be did. no.. then fee in his place (we believe
Earl Temple), to adopt fuch extenfi.ot, its he thought it would
,produce vary advantageous reruns to the Srrvic
The Report was then brought up, the Amendment; r.,a and
agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time on Nloi.day.
LUNATICS.

Mr. C. W. WYNNE begged leave ti flare to the
Houle a few oblervations on a fubje6t which, in his
opinion, weir deferved their atten:ion. There were
a groat number of perfons in England and Wales
who had, at various times, been indicted for murder,
and acquitted on the ground of lunacy. Thole per-
fons now remained confined in differentgaols in the king.
dom, for the want offome proper place, or plates bei:'g
appointed to receive them, which he conceived to be
I extremely wrong, as in his mind there could not be a
more imptoper place for a lunatic to be confined it
than a common gaol. A molt (biking instance of
this had recently occurred in the county which he
had the honour to reprefent. A lunatic, under the
1 eircumliances defcribed, had, notwithstanding every-
care which could poffibly be taken by the jailor,
who, it was to be obferved, did not know how to
treat lunatic; nor'what was the peculiar bent of
their diforder, but who had tak,m every care of his
prifoners which his duty required of him, yet this
lunatic had evaded all his attentions, and had com-
mitted another murder on a fellow pi iloner. There
iwere alfo, he laid, within England and lVales a
great number, he believed, not lefs than 1700 pau-
per lunatics ; and it was the interest of over feerA, and
other parith officers, to keep thole unfortunate per.
lons in gaol, by way of relieving the tefpeftive pa.
Ines to which they were chargeable. He thought,
therefore, it would be extremely clearable, that a
Committee fhquld be appointed for the purple of
invelligating this important fttbjeft, in which mea-
fares might be adopted, fo to provide for thole
unfortunate perfons as to render their confinement
more Cafe and comfortable ; and, at the fame time,
to enforce their maintenance by the parith, and not
by tae county. He would therefore move—
.., Thar a felca Committee he appointed to enquire into the
ftate of the crimiral and purer lunatics in England and lA'al,:.,
and of, the laws relative to the fame ; and to report the Laic, NNith
their opinion, to the Houle."
Ordered, and it Committee was immediately ap-
pointed.

COLPNEL CAwTH^RvE.

General rol l'l R. role to make the mntinn of
which he had given no:ice. He be an by airn•itig
the Houle, that in bringing this cobjca tinder their •
confideration he WAS entirely free from every f IA of(
prejudice, and not at all aCtuated by the fmalleft \
perlunal . pique or ill will towards the Honourabls.!
Gentleman who wfs the objea of his motion. He
kit hinifelf impelled to it by an imperious fcnfc
,if his duty, and, above all, it was his with, and fliould.
be his endeav in.-, to maintain pure and nufullied.e-
hnnotir and dignity of that Houle. He ',A d,-
hlghtla cpiniwa of the proceedings of a r,...Oi;slits
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sial, and thought that the Honourable Gentleman
having been tried by fixteen mod refpeaable Mem.
bers, and found guilty on eleven charges out of 14,
and afierwards expelled that Houfe in confequence,
upon a foil cunfideration of there proceeding% was a
proper fubjed for the prefent attention of the Hnufe.
It was not his will to detain the Houle at prefent by
any farther trefrafs on their time, and he therefore
moved

hat the charge., maienairit John Fenton Cawthorn, Erg.
and the Sentence pronounced apinit him by the Court Martial,
together with the proceedings, entertained by that Houle thereon
in N. C. Winn t-Pos- 6. be then read."
On the ctoeflion being pot from the Chair,
Mr. CAWTHORNE Paid, he had hoped the Ho-
nourable Member who jolt fat dont/Would have ad-
vanced fame arguments, and peQuced precedents'
which were applicable to the prefent motion. He had
not, however, done either. For his own part, he
felt confident that he retied on the firm balls of the
law of the land, and believed it to be the general rule
of the ConAitution of this country, that no man,
though found guilty of any charge' brought against
him, can be punifhed twice for the fame crime. He
Rood there at that moment a Reprefentative of the
Electors of the County Town of one of the largett
Counties in the Kingdom. I He had been chofen by a
very large majority of thole Eleelors; and if there
had been any charge againi him as being difqualified,
it ought to have been made within the time limited
for that purpole. He thought he flood now in a very
different predicament to what he did when he was
left before the Houle on this fubjeo, and that
precedents fhould at lean be produced to (hew, that
a Member once expelled thonld not be entitled to fit
in a future Parliament. He had never heard of any
filch precedents; but, on Cie contrary, tie cafes of Mr.
\Vilkes and Sir Robert Walpole were dirally in his
favour. If the Houle thought proper to entertain
t'ie prefent motion, it would he his duty to fubmit,
ha wryer hard he might think it. He was certainly
obliged to the Hon. General for declaring that no
per fonal motieer pimpled him to the prefent mode
of proceeding It way neveithelels a forcible mride
of playing neon his feelings, however the Honoura
ble General's patriotifm might actuate him to do it.'
He concluded by Hating it to be the declared opinion
of the fire Law Officer of the Crown, the Attorney
General, that he confidered the proceedings of a
Court Martial as ton flimfy a foundation on which to
ground the proceedings which the Houfe then enter-
tained ageing him.
Lord HOWICK thought it neceffary to fay a few
words on t%:e futsjeel. It was not, he was certain, the
intention ot his Hun. friend who brought forward
the prefent motion, to enter into the merits of the
proceedings of the Count Martial, or the proceedings
which had taken place thereon in that Role, but
merely to afcertain whether a lenience ot expullion
by that Houle having raker) place againti the Ho-
nourable Gentlemau, vici he was now labouring un
der the ilignia of that fart erc-..% he is fit at the pre-
fent moment to remain a member of the Honfe ; and.
if not, whether he ought to be pet mitted to continue
in it? It was certainly a tpreition of very great im-
portance, iro-olving in it the fir It and moll valuable
Canititutional cottlidtrations; and, he was happy to
obfeive, that in a question of Inch magnitude, there
appeared no parry nor warmth or violence of
temper, but every one feemed fr lely aCtuated by a
conlcientious regard to his duty, as refpeeting both
the privileges of that Houle, and of the public. He
hoped that line of conduCt would be eon; totted ; and
for this porparr, he wont.' he inclined to pirrfue the
mode tueoefied icy the loonourehle Gentleman who
fp •ke last, as to fearching for precedents. He be-
lieved that precedents in point were to t, perhap., to
be met with ; out he would with to puzfire that conife
xs nwli definable, in order that their proceedings
might tett on (mind and Conflitutional principles.—
The only objesli n that could be urged againtt it,
was the 'delay it would occa lion. He hoped, however,
that would not he much ; and the perfon muft affed-
ed by it Ihould sceolleft that he had placed liimielf
in a litoal ion in which he mull bring hinifelf under
the notice of the tionleo and therefore he could have
nothing to complain nn that (core. After the prefent
noeion was dilpoled of, it was, he laid, his intention
to move that a Committee be appointed to ketch for
precedents.
Mr. •SPENCER STANHOPE laid, that having
feconded the us iginal Motion, he Arnold have props.
led a Committee it the Noble Loid lied not notified
his inten.i .n to do fo. He thought the lubje Amid
come to a fair and impartial (lib:arson, and would
tlieref 're he as ready to fecond the motion of the
,N, ble Lod as he had been in the cafe of that now
under coon ieration.
Mr. HERBERT laid, he wag clearly of opinion
this Cart did not reit on precedents, but was a cafe
cf principle. The right of expulfmn retied in the
1-1011.0 ft r its own detente, and the protettion 'of its
honour, its dignity, and privileges. Some perfons
had entertained an opinion that this was in the elec-
tors, Willi N hid) opini •n he widely differed ; hut as
it appeatcd that the Houle withed to go by piece.
dent, and he was dent-ruts every pollible degree of in.
foimation amulet be bad on the fubjett, he certainly
would not ()isnot/ the motion.
General GASCOYNE ctifclaimed tam idea of
perfonal 'licese or prejudite againft the Honourable.
•Gentleman who was ttie lubjeel of the prefent
%ion, but he thought it one which ought not by any
means to be argued on precedents. In fait, it was
dear .7)e.e were no pi ecedents : the Noble Lord al.
lowed e were none, and the lame had been allow-
ed by ainroft every Member of a former PArliament.•
Toe Honourable Gentleman againd whom the pre-
fent motion was made, had mentioned (owe price-
, .eents which he thought were in his favour, but he
take every one of threfe. and Thew they had
no more analogy to the prefent cafe than to a cafe of
%order or haskroptcy. If, however.- the Houfe
',anted a precedent, then was one then before them.
ho Fenton Cawthorna had been pronounced guilty
infamons and ungentlemanlike condnift. Ht was
I y to fay any thing that might hurt the feelings
. the Hun -.treble Gentleman, but he had hurt
by coming into that Hoare, and he might thank
ofelfTer the tonfequenees. lf, however, there
tie an precedents, would die -node then make one
neer Inch infamous Conduit ?He hoped not. It
'traded highly to the glory of the country, and of
Sepate• that nolbch precedent ems to be
mu` he hoped, by implication, that it was
• to c;7-aw forth she broad fkield of power
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for the pow& offcreening tuck condo& He hoped
therefore the Noble Lord would defift from making
the btotiiin he had mentioned.

Lord FOLKSTONE was of opinion that no pre-
cedents for fuch a thing having taken place was a
thong reafon why they fhould agree to the motion.
He thought, however, that in a queftion which jail
volved fo much the dignity of the Houfe, it was
rather barns in the Honourable General (Gaf-
coyne) to fay it was a matter lof reproach to kim
that he had put himfelf into Inch a lituation, and
that be might thank himfelf for what followed.—
He thought the mode prnpofed by the Noble Lord
was extremely fair ; no delay of cc:sores:pence could
rcfult from it, and it therefore had hishearty con•
currence.

The ATTORNEY GENERAL faid, his only
reafon for affenting to the motion of the Noble Lord
was, that if he thought it would not be agreed to, he
would think it is duty to give the original motion his
dire& nega'.ive. In laying this be was only aftuated
by a fenfe of duty to the Houfe, and to the rights and
privileges of the Eleftors throughout the empire, br
caufe he thought the proceedings of a Court Mar •
tial were not fufficient to warrant the Houle to expel a
Member recently ch •fen by Electors competent to
return him as their raprefentative. He fhould al-
ways he ready to pay every refpeft to the lenience of
a Court Martial, as fuch, and on lubjeas to which
it was competent to judge ; but, though a former Par-
liament might have been very properly induced to
expel a Member on the fentence of a Court Martial,
he did not think that the prefent one could, accord-
ing to the law of the land, or with any degree of juf-
tice, make the fentence of a Court Martial a fair and
legal ground to expel a Member newly chofen, againft
whom there was no petition, and who had not done
any difqnalifying ad force he had been returned by
his prefent Conffnuents. It was to be recolleaed that
this was the fentence of a Court, in which a man has
no trial by jury—has no challenge—has no appeal—
and to afk him to do an aft like this was more than
he could agree to. The Noble Lord had been accufed
of throwing out the fhield of power to fcrecn a delin-
quent ; on the contrary, he had thrown out the
thield of the Conflitntion to protea the rights and
privileges of all the Eleanrs of the Empire. Thnfe
who made tile of fuch arguments againfl the Noble
Lard went on fanciful notions of honour and dill
honostr, on which no proceedings could be founded ;
and all mutt know, that thole who oppofed filch ar
guments were the beg guardians of the rights and
privileges of the people, as well as the honour and
dignity of that Houle, which could never deviate
from the (Ilia roles of impartiality and jullice-
Mr. BRAGGE BATHURST thought it need-
Cary to fay a few words to vindicate the charadcr of
that Parliament which had expelled the Honourable
Gentleman on the fentence of a Court Martial. The
queltion now to be difciiired lhould be Itripped of all
legal niceties, and the Honourable and Learned Gen-
tleman &mid dillinguifh between the two cafes.—
The proceedings of a Court Martial were not fuch on
which the Houle fhould tile its privilege of expelling
a Member; hut in this cafe a charge of moral turpi-
tude did arife, that is to fa), there was fuch a corpus
detai of moral tut pit ude made out in that cafe as fully
notified the Houfe in expelling him. He hoped,
therefore, that when the oblation was made, it would
not be, that if it be fit to exercife again that right be-
fore derailed, there will be any difficulty in proceed-
ing on the fame evidence as the Houle did before.
The ATTORNEY GENERAL rote to explain.
The opinion he entertained was, that it the former
Parliament had thought itfell jullified to expel one
of it. Members, it mutt have been right in lo doing;
but the mere circumflance of that expullion by a Icr.
met- Parliament, was no ground of jurrificat;on to the
prefent Houfe for expelling a Member returned to
this Parliament as the reprefentarive of a numerous
and legitimate body of conitiluents, when no chfqua-
litying an whatever was imputed to fuch Member,
tubitquent to Li. Lill denims.
The I+ n. CHA LES HOWARD adverted to
an exprtilion which had, he laid, fallen from an
Hon. and Learned Member, namely, that tile flimfy
authority of a corivia ion by a Court Martial,
coufli-
tuted upon principles derogatory to the crinflitutional
rights of ilre Inkjet% where the party tried had no
right to challenge his Jurors, was no ground upon
which that House might to adopt a procetdipg fo de-
rogat'ry to the privileges of the Conllituent Body.—
He begged leave, however, to obleive, that the au-
thority of a Court legally conftitnted, and compofed
of men of unimpeachable honour, whole decifu.r.s in
cafes of the highell importance to the lives. the cha-
rafters, and the rights of a very numerous body of
his Majefly's fubjeets, had been uniformly fanftioned
and :ccignized by the leveret branches of the Legit.-
lature, lhould not have been mentioned in that
Houle in a manner lo difrelpeafol. He denied the
alfertion of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman,
that the parry tried before a Court Martial had no
right to challenge his Jurors ; lie knew of no loch
preclufion, but had Irate many 'offences wherein that
right of the Flamer was affirmed and exereifed. A
former Houle of Commons had felt itlelf jußified to
ground a meafure precifely limiter to that now pro-
poled, on the lenience of a Court Martial. The ob-
servation of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman this
night, was as impeachment of the wifdum and jut*.
the (al that Houle of Commons, and if his cenlure
was kill, the proceeding ought to be expunged from
the Journals.
The ATTORNEY .GENERAL Paid his expref-
fion had been entirety mifunderffood. He had never
applied the word Binary to the authority of a Coati
Martial.

General GASCOYNE explained, by declaring he
had not laid that the precedent which he had quoted
applied precifely to this cafe, but that it was the moll
fimilar to it. However, whether the precedent afli-
milated or not, it watt not by precedent, but upon
principle, that he trußed the Houfe Ibould aft. He
had not Paid, as imputed to him, that the Nedsle Lord
held the broad (Weld of power ever the Hon. Member
who was the fubjea of this dircußion, but that, by
implication, the Noble Lord's conduct would be to
eonftrued. He had not Paid the Houle was to take
for its guide the fentence of a Court Martial, altho'
he entertained high refpea for the decifiun of fuch a
Court. He would rather fee the Houfe of Commons
of on this occafion as a Court of Honour than mere-
ly as a Court of Juflice.
Lord WILLIAM RUSSELL raid that his vote on
this fubjet timid be guided by the fame principles,

as tilde expelled by his Learned and Hon. 17i iend
the Attoroey General. .
Mr. BRAGGE BAT H IJR ST alfo explained, and
that it he was under flood to fay, that the Houle
,of Commons, in the former cafe of Colonel Caw-
thorne, had decided without difttillion, his es preffion
was widely miftaken, for the Houle had difculfed the
fubjeB fo far, that two very long fpeeches were deli.
vered upon it, one of them by the. Honourable
Colonel Irinsfelf, who went very much at length
into the merits of the evidence before the Court
Martial. The Houle alto came to a divilion on the
queftion.
Sir ROBERT VAUGHAN laid a few words in
sllocron to what he Paid had fallen from the Attorney
General on the fubjedt of Colitis Martial.
The ATTORNEY GENERAL aga'n denied
the terms imputed to him, and laid his words ,were,
that the remote decifion of a Court Martial was
vague authority for the decifion cf a Court of Jul:
tice.

Mr. ADAMS rote, with a view of endeavouring
to recal the Houfe to the queltion really before it,
namely, the motion ()ibis Noble Friend for reading
the proceedings of the Houk in the Sall m of 1795.
The object now for the H-tife to know was, how this
matter could belt be difpcfed of confidently with j.. 1:.
lice? He had long formed an opinion upon this fubjee,
which he fhould he ready to declare without preju-
dice or pafilon. He remembered well the cafe of Mr.
Wilkes's expulfion in the year 1766, upon which cc-
canon he was one of the minority—he remembered
alto fevecal fabfequent motions for the rettoration of
that Gentleman to his feat, which were rejected, and
on which alto he was in the minority. But he alto
remembered, that in the sear 1782, he had the ho
nout of voting with a maj ~rity for the re(toration of
Mr. Wilkes, and the ground of his former espulfion
was not deemed a fofficient realist) againd his re-ad-
million. He perfectly agreed in the idea that the
Houle, in ultimately deciding upon the cafe, ought
to confult praltice and precedent, In far ai was
confident with juflice ; but he felt tome allonifhment
at hearing fuch a declaration this night, as that pre-
cedent and principle were one and the fame ; for, in
his mind, juaice and not precedent was the princi-
ple on which the Houle Ihnuld proceed for its own
honour.

The proceedings on Col. Cawthorne's cafe in i 795,
were now read, agreeably to the motion before the
Houle, after which

Lora HOW ICK again role, and moved that a Se.
left Committee be appointed to fearch the journals
and records of Parliament, for precedents of cafes
where Members had been expelled and afterwards
retuned to Parliament, and report the proceedings
of the Houle with their opinions thereon.
Mr. BANKES thought that they would End no
cafes exaely fimilar, and very few that wete analo-
gous. The objee which he thought mofl dcfirable
tor the Houfe to difcover was, the principle which
governed the decilions of former Parliaments in cafes
of expulfion ; and therefore he fuppofed the Noble
Lord could have no objeEtion to wording his motion
upon an enlarged reale. Such, flr intlance, as an
initruetion to the Committee to fearch f r rates of
the expulfinn rf Members, with the o,rounds thereof,
and dillinguifbing thofe who had been afterwards
readmitted. The only inconvenience suiting from
this mode wonld be a little move delay and trouble ;
but, when he confidered of bow much imprtance
to the honour and dignity of the Houk the molt full
and accurate information upon this fobjee would be, '
e thought the extraordinary time would not be

Lord HOWICK thought the words—" proceed-
ings of the Houle thereon" fully comprehended the
°Ned of the Hon. Gentleman.
Lord t•OLKSTONE thought the motion fbould
include another point, namely, to enquire pre-
cedents of Members re expelled after their firft re
miffiun.

Lord HOWICK's motion was then carried, and
a Committee appointed accordingly. who wete or-
dered to fit to morrow in the Speaker's Chamber.
Lord GEORGE CAVENDISH now role, and
f:!id he had in his,hand a Petition from certain of the
Eaton; of the Borough of Lancailer, which had
been put into his hands fence he came into the Houk,
praying that their Rights as Eleßnrs might trot he
affeeted by any proceeding which the H,tile thotald
adopt, in relation to this fobjed jolt now clifcufllc!..by
expelling one of the Members of that Honk, whom
they had dollen to ferve at their Reprefentative.—
Having been himfelf one of she Member,: who com-
pared the Court Martial for the trial of Colonel Caw-
thorne, he did not with to take any forward part in
the proceedings on this cafe. He merely wifhed to
pterent the Petition to the Houfe, leaving it for their
difcretton to difpofe of it as their wirdom fhnuld dire&

The Petition was prtfented and read. It befnught
the Houfe that Mr. Cawthorne, their chofen Repre-
fentative, might not be expelled, and with huml,le de-
ference fubmitted that the Houle of Commons had
no legal authority to expel any of its Members agaian
whom there was no Petition complaining of undue
Eleaion, nor any complaint of an at difqualif) ing
him tince his Elation.

The Hon. WILLIAM HERBERT raid the lan-
guage of this Petition was not only dillefpatful; but
diftatorial to the Houle ; for it prefumed to demand
of the Houfe an adoption cf meafures upon the after.
tion of the Petitioners, and nut upon any evidence of,
pleading at the Bar. He had frequently heard of 80.
roughs. having been dibfranchifed for a corrupt or
improper exercife of their franchife, and he did not
know why a contumacious intuit of this kind did not
merit a fimilar fate. At all events, it was neceitary
to afcertain whether the Suhfcribers to the Petition
were really Eletlors of Lancafter.
Lord G. CAVENDISH knew the names to he
thnfe of real Eledors, and he had every reafon to be-
lieve the fignatures genuine.
Mr. CAWTHORNE faid, the Hon. Member
fhnuld, if he chafe, have an immediate opportunity
of comparing the fignatures with the alphabetical roll
which he had received this day. The Hon. Gentle-
man himfelf, from the property he [witched, in the
very hundreds where fume of thofiGentlemln reilded,
mull know them to be Eleflors ; and lie could affure
him, that he let a higher value upon their confidence
and efteem, than upon the feat in Parliament to which
they had tithed him.

Lord STANLEY alto thought the Petition diBa-
tatorial, and thought it ought ant to be fuffered to
remain on the tabk. It prelampttioally atiumedt that

the 11( tire or commons, ;n the espernek vr4
one of its Members, would be ready to vint,f,
lew end the Conqiintin,.

Mr. STURGES BOURNE rote to enter hi, r,
tell againft the doetrioe doter, by the Noble I
and lupported the right of the Peoi inners to preti,.;
to Houle the remonftrance they had offered, ;
relpeetful terms, in lupport of their tight to the
choi,ite
of a Rem efentative.
Mr. SPENCER STANHOPE was of the fame
opinion, and appealed to the Chair.
The SPEAKER laid he always underflond it 14
be the pri-ciple and praftice of the Houle of cum
;mins to throw its dßors open wide for the rerepti(%
of yeti i,,ns from every chits raprifelyltriiies:Mmtes:jtelavitiftyael'eds tcotainbuicenheices;
whole tight it was to prefent petitions compla• • - Hung
of grievances existing or apprehended, and that the
opnetliyt petitions awhars,,thweheilthleurf-efo
ch
in decovou, and ref-pea/0 language ?
Lord HOWICK folly coincided in this doftrirrel
and faid, that the pe:ition in queftion was fo far font
being diCtatorial, that it was couched in terms of re-
lpeetful fu:rnsiffirm and deference.
The queftion being put, the petition was orderei
to lie on the table.
ADDITIONAL VOTE OF TEN THOUSAND SEAMEN.
Mr. GRENVILLE laid, that in introducing his
prefent motion for the addijion of ten thoufan4 men
for the tea fervice, he timid enter in,o ionic eipla,
nations of an official nature. In the ordinary courft
of naval Winds, in time of war, no check was ap-
plied to the recruiting fur the fro vice, whatever might
be the number. of men voted by Parliament. The
votes in fuch a period were founded upon the reports
of the number acquired during a given time. The
accounts from the 3t It December to the 3oth Sep.
tember followilig, with the addition of one quarter,
determieed the motion for the vote. When be fiat
propofed this vote, the number was not governed by
the proportion railed in the whole year, but by three
quarters of the year, and hence it was limited to one
hundred and twenty thoufand men. In the prefent
tircumfiances of the country it required no apology
to propofe the accetlion of ten thoufand men for shy
important fervice. He would fay a word or two on
the competency of the Eftimates. The Houle did not
appear to him to have all the details before it, which
the dignity of the concern, and the magnitude of the
charge, required. With his (mall experience, he
would not at prefent venture to alter the carafe Par.
liament had adopted fur to many years, but it was
impoffible for him not to lament the method in which
the accounts had been fubmitted to the Houle, fo
that no proper documents were fupplied to Ai*
Gentlemen in their inquiries. There was alto a kale
of arithmetical reafoning retorted to, that was not
adapted to the occa(ion. Thus, when '20,000 men
were to be voted, 41. per month to each man was at
figned, which firm was to provide for the ordinaries
and esti aordinaries, the tranfpott fervice, and the
general objeds of naval expenditure. In the year ,
1797, the fum was iocreafed from 41. to 71. becaufe
it had long been difcovered that the former was in.
fufficient, and au addition was uniformly accumu.
lating on the Navy Debt. Another inconvenime
was, that the 71. under the new arrangement invol-
ved the matter in the fame uncertainty. It was re-
ferable: to various branches of charge : 1, wages ;
2. vianals ; 3, wear and tear. Tie haft was fo large
and general a divifion as to be almnft inexplicable,
and mull be utterly unintelligible to Gentlemen not
veiled in the routine of office. He troubled the
Committee with there remarks, to (hew that the at.
tention of Government had been diteCted to this im.
portant fubjed. They ha I found that economy was
ttrength and defence, and this could not be promot-
ed without fuch details, and the particulars of which
the accounts confined, it was their duty to fubmit to
the examination of Parliament. By thefe miens the
nation at large would be convinced, that thegrerell
economy was confulted in the application of that
money which was fu liberally voted to fuppnrt the
meat-ores of Adminiftration. He did not claim any
pecu iar merit fur what he propofed, but rather, fol.
lowing the example of his colleagues in office, hit
defect was of an inferior rank ; nor did hc, from his
own knowledge, impart this new project in framing
the accounts, but having advifed thole who were belt
able to atElt him, and fur whofe judgment he had the
grearell deference, he entertained no doubt but that
he fhouid be capable of dating the accouters clearly,
to that every one who, from motives of cutiofity, of
of a higher charaOer, Mould be inclined to confult
them, would be able to comprehend them. Helhould
not have promifed fo much, had the labour been all
his own ; but be was aided by others to whom he
was indebted for the fug,gtflions which had furniflo
ed the materials of his prefent übfervations. It might
be proper to ditlinguifh a few of the general heads
under which the accounts in their new form would
be arranged.
1. The Wailes of the Officers and Seamen.
a. The Half pay.
3. The Marines.
4. The Volunteers and railing Recruits.
5. The Pay to the Sea
6. Pilotage.
7. Pmflons to roperanotiatedanctwouoded
8. Salaries to the Admiralty.
9 Wages to the Offices and Workmen of the Yards.
so. Ship-building in the Merchants' Yards.
I. Hire of Armed Ships.
3a. Stoma—This was prrhaps the molt imporant of an. and it
was not to be cxpeard to be pope," diflrthuted into its fit
dlviSons In leis than two or (beer years of laborious attar-
lion. It involved a charg9 of no Ws than 3 6c.opook
Included the following numerous items: a, timber ; kart
3, copper; 4, MOTU ; 59 krOn ; 6. glafs ; 7, tar; I,4eadIgr
colours • to, ironmongery 1, Rotes from neutral lip&
13. Exchange.

Officers, &e.

14. Incidental BerriCes.—Tu all tbefe would be added,
its. The Vidtualling board. in I reat detail ; and,
16. The Trunfport Board, with equal minotenefa and prectholl.
The leading deign of this exhibition of the dif
tine articles, was to remove as much as pomble ce-
fcurity, and to enable any Gentleman to turn, as to
an index, to any particular point to which his auto-
lion might he diteiled.
He would now ;mark upon one or two articks
which teem to require explanation. A great itera
of expence, which lie wifhed to notice, was what
ought not at all to appear in the Naval Expenditure:
it was the Vidualling Bills of the at my in garrtfons
abroad, which was etiimated at no lets a turn that
600,e051. The other particular to which he had jut
alluded was, the fubjell of the Commitlion of Naval
Revifmn. This conanitlion was eilablilhed with the
mention of carrying into effeet the fuggefh: ns of
the CernmilLon of Naval Enquiry, and iis cullence