Star.
London, England, 1824-03-03 00:00:00

1110.111,r1ST NIGHT'S GAZETTE. •

Iftllnett RETURNED TO SERVE IN TIIIS raitsrstr PARLIAMENT.
CoOnty of Louth—John Leslie Foster, of Itatbescar, in the count?
of Louth, Esq. in• the room of the Right Honourable Thomas
Henry Sktffington (now Viscount Ferrard, a Peer of the flaked
Kingdom).

PANKRUPTCY ENLARGED.
Anthony Gatenby, Manchester, wholesale-grocer, from March 15
to 26, at eleven, at the Bridgewater Arms Inn, Manchester.
BANKRUPTS.
James MUrray, Manchester, builder, to surrender March 6,8, and.
April 13, at eleven, at the Spread Eagle, Hanging Ditch, Man-
chester. Attoruies, Mr. Hewitt, Old- hlillgate, Manchester ;
or Mr. Taylor, Clement's Inn.
William Dorriugton. Cornhill, broker, March 6, 13, and April
13, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners of Bankrupts, Lia-
singhall-street. Attorney, Mr. James, Walbrook.
Thomas Glover, Ralph Lomas, John thick, and John Greens
late of Derby, and John Oakden, late of Rodsley, Derbyshire,
flax-manufacturers, March 15, 16, and April 13, at eleven, at
the King's Arms Tavern, Derby. Attoruies, Mr. Wolston, Fur-,
nival's Inn; or Mr. Moss, Derby.
Charles Messenger, Oxford, cabinet-maker, March 12, 13, and
April 13, at twelve, at the house of Mr. Bartratn, under the
Town-hall, Oxford. Atturnies, Messrs. Philpot and Stone,
Soutbampton.street,.Bloomsbury ; or Mr. Rackstrow, Oxford.
Henry West, late of Worthing, linen-draper, March 13, 20, and
April 13, at twelve, at the Court of Commissioners of Bank-
rupts, Basinghall-street. Attorney, Mr. Richardson, Lincoln's
Inn-fields.
William Richard Colbert, Maidstone, brewer, March 9; 20, and
April 13, at one, at the Court of Commissioners of Bankrupts,
Basingball-street. Attornies, Messrs. Beecham and Son, Free-
man's-court, Cot nhill.
DIVIDENDSto be made In BASING HA LL-STttEET.
March 27, T. Sanders,. Stratford-upon-Avon, coal-merchant, at
twelve. March 6, C. Vere, Cloth-fair, woollen-draper, at twelve.
:March 23, Greaves, King's Arms-yard, Cole!maa-atreet,
merchpnt, at ten.
DI V I DErN: DS to be made in the COUNTRY.
March 26, M. Caner, Alverstoke, Hants, miller, at twelve, at
the Crown Inn, Gosport. April 8, F. Franklin, Leamington Priors,
Warwickshire, surgeon, at eleven, at the Bowling-green Inn, Lea-
mington Priors. April 6, J. Haigh, Ley.Moor, in Golcar, York-
shire, cloth-merchant, at eleven, at the George Inn, Huddersfield.
March 23, It. Peacock, Liverpool, coach-maker, at eleven, at the
Office of Messrs. Forrest, Church-alley, Church-street, Liverpool.

CERT! FlCATE&—lhaca 23.

W. P. Chubb,Altigate, chemist. J. Jenkins, late of Tewkes-
bury, miller. 11. Griffiths, Swansea, linen-draper. It. Brnugkall,
Little Tess, S.ilop, farmer. T. Sutcliffe, late of Haworth, York-
shire, worsted-stutf-nsanufacturer. J. Tunnicliffe, Stone, Stafford-
shire, grocer. hi. Chambers, Whitechapel, tavern-keeper. C.
Morris, Fore-street, victualler. R. D.Flack, Manchester, merchant.

IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO FAMILIES FURNISH-
um —By applying at the real Msbufacturer's they will find a Seeing
of nearly One-llalf. Every article of Furniture manufactured on
the Premises, and Warranted of the best Quality. Sixty different
patterns of Chairs; from Twenty to Sixty Dozen of well-seasoned
Mahogany, teal Rosewood, stained Rosewood, Cottage and Bed-
room Chairs of all colours, ready fur inspection, and real Rose-
wood nearly as cheap as stained. Card, Sofa, Loo Tables, and Ca-
billeti ro match. A large assortment of well-seasoned Mahogany
• Sliding Dining Tables of all sizes, Sideboards, Wardrobes,
Drawers, and all other articles of Furniture, too numerous to men-
tion, at it. WALLUiGToN'S Manufactory, 214, High Holborn, op-
pmiie Southampton-street, Bloomsbury-equate.
Such is the effect of perseverance anti isclustry in
the science of Medicine, that great numbers, many of whom had
lingered ainder the most painful and obrumate disorders, who'
were pronounced incurable by respectable practioners, and several
discharged from Hospitals, have been restored tit perfect health by
the celebrated Dr. LADY, who, after a long and laborious prac-
tice, is enabled to remove the most obstinate Venereal Complaints,
however long and deeply fixed in the habit.—Eruptions, Pains in
the Limbs, obstinate Gleets, Dimness of Sight, Nodes on the shin-
bones, Ulceration, and Sure Throats, are among the symptoms
arising out of improper treat•uent, and which without timely as-
sistance prove fatal. The Doctor is consulted daily by patients ol
both sexes, ar 38, Dean-street, Soho, and 1, liathellatreet, Scam.
torkl.street, Black friars and Waterloo Roads, by persons from every_
part of the couutty, and by Letter (if post piidi enclosing atm

Lord K I NG, before the Order of the Day was read, observed
that he wished to take this opportunity of asking the opinion of the
House, and more particularly of the Noble and Learned Lid upots
the Woolsack, as to a matter which appeared to him a subject not
undeserving of serious consideration. He understood that be was,
among their Lordships in general, to attend the hearing of appeal
cases, and he believed that he was expected to attend the service of
the House next Thursday. What' therefore, he wished to know
was, whether on hearing an appeale...se he was afterwards to be re-
quired to vote upon it ; if, in point of fact, he was obliged to vote
or not ? If it was incumbent on him to vote in any case, then be
wished to be instructed, under all circumstances, in what capacity
be was finally to vote; and he begged their Lordships now to in-
struct him on the'subject. No answer was given to the Noble Lord..
IRELAND. '
The Ezell of .D A WILEY, the Order of the Day beire, read, ob-
served, tkat he felt he owed some apology to their Lordships for'
their codWniting to be summoned, as their Lordships were aware
that it was not his intention'to bring forward the Slotion, of which
he bad given notice on a former day, upon a great and extensive
subject. He wished now to defer it, in expectation of the assist-
ance of many great and Noble Lords, who were qualified to throw
a light upon the subject; and another reason why also he wished
to defer it was, on account of some information which he expected
to have more completely before the House on a future day. But be
hoped that their Lordships would permit him to take this opportn-1
nity' to make a very few observations on the subject. He was given
to understand that It was actually in' the contemplation r.f his Ma•
jetty's Ministers to take off thg duties on fine Irish linen gra.lually,
but upon coarse Irish linen, it was intended to take off the duties
immediately. He wondered it had not occurred to Nlinisteis, that
the taking 4 the duties from the fine linen would decrease the sues
of employment in Ireland, which was already too reduced? He,
knew not, indeed, what there might be in the state of that particu-
lar part of Ireland, *hat political or other cause, or whether there'
was any cause for this preference; but he would put it to his Ma-
jesty's Government how far it was proper, in point of humanity,
to take off, directly, the duties on coarse Isiah linen ; a proceeding
yid& must extingaisb all the infant manufactures now forming,
bid tender the means of employment less available to the starving
'pan of the population of Ireland. He wished to know, therefore,
what had become of the Austrian Loan Payment—that" Gob send,'
as the Chancellor .of the Exchequer had called it? why, in fact, a
portion of its benefit bad nut been imported to the South of Ireland,
instead of being now applied to the building of churches there?
Not that he felt any sort of objection to the plan for building of
churches in the metropolis, when they might possibly be wanted ,
but it appeared to him to be altogether strange—a work of supere-
rogation—to build churches for the Establishment where the great
majority of the people were Roman Catholics and Protestant Dis-
senters. He could not help feeling, that in a country like Ire-
land, where there were openings for the creating of Canals, with
a population that called for employment so loudly, proptity might
be better employed than in building new Churches, and repairing
old ones. He would not object, at the same time, to any fair ap-
plication ormoney in the repairing of Windsor Castle, which must
be viewed as a magnificent structure, and creditable to the nation.
He should therefor* move for an Account of all sums appropriated
by Parliameint to the Employment of the People of Ireland ; also,
the different sums presented by Grand Juries; and also sums given
by way of Loan from the Consolidated Fund during the last seven
years. But he conceived that he should not fulfil his duty on this
occasion it he failed just to call the attention of ;gable Lords to the
Established Church in Ireland ; and to that end he -should move
for various Returns, in order to skew the number of Parishes and
Churches. it was his intention, on a future day, to bring the en-
tire state of Ireland before the IJoase, and to treat the condition of
the United Kingdom without disguise.
Returns were moved and ordered, and Monday, the Sth April,
was appointed for the Noble Earl's motion, when their Lordships
were ordered to be summoned.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, that he had not risen td detain
&dr Lordship', having no objection to the Returns moved for by
the Noble Lord, and because at another time an opportunity would
*tear for going at length into details. With respect to the Austrian
Lean, it should be recollected that it was at first proposed to carry
the whole to the account of the Consolidated Fund ; but an Ho-
nourable Friend in the other House had, among other items, pro.

poftsd that part of it should be applied so the building of Churches.
From what the Noble Lord bad stated, their Lordships might sup-
pose that no sums had been advanced to Ireland for public works,
whereas, in point of fact, large sums had been advanced to Scot-
land and to Ireland, while, excepting fur Churches, none had beep
voted for England. Not less than 1,000,C001. had hero advanced
in favour of Ireland for the progress of public works during the
last twelve years, and it was desirable to set the public mind Light
upon this point. Having said this much, it only remained to set
the Noble Lord right respecting the Irish Linen Duties. There
was nothing so, absurd as to place the bounty on exports and 04
premium on local industry on the same footing; and here the ques-
tion was, whether the duties should be gradually diminished or not ?
With respect to Ireland, it related to one branch of domestic indus-
try, and was quite nominal.
Lord KING observed, that all Noble Lords knew there hail
been great Scotch jobs and great Irish join, and therefore the Noble
F,arl's explanation was perfectly unnecessary.
The Earl of DARNLEY explained.
Their Lordships then adjourned till Thursday.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The Sreaxxa took the Chair at four o'clock.
Several Accounts were presented front different Public "Officts,
and ordered to lie on the table. •
Mr. COOK presented a Petition from the Inhabitants of Bungay,
praying for a Repeal of the Coal Duties.
A similar Petition was presented from the Inhabitants of A yles-
mere, in Kent. •
Captain PEItCY presented a similar Petition front the Inhabit•
ants of Stamford.—All of which were ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a Petition front the Licensed
Victuallers in the Wards of Cripplegate, against _the Duties (A &E-
-dit Licenses.—Ordered to lie on the table, and to be printed.
A similar Petition was presented by Mr. T. Wit.sos trem the
Licensed Victuallers in the NV ard of Colerazu street.
Mr. DEN MA N presented a similar Petition front the Licensed
Victuallers of a Town in the Colinty of Nottingham. The Hon.
Member said, from the great number of Petitions which had been'
presented on the subject, it would seem that this was* grievous tax.
It was ono which pressed heavily upon individuals rather than on
the Public at large. He was afraid that it was one of the taxes
which would remain unrepealed the present SAsion.,—Tht: Petition
• was ordered to lie on the table and to be printed.
Mr. CHALON.= presented a sintilir Petition from the Licensed

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that their Lordships had agreed to the, Bills which had been sent by
the Commons for their concurrence. These were the Exchequer
Dills' Bill; the Reciprocity of. Duties' Bill, without amendwent ;
and the Law Courts of Ireland Dill. Their Lordships requested
the dteport of the Select Committee in 1818, on the Usury LaWs,
which was ordered.
A person from the Treasury presented the Accounts of the Cus-
toms and Excise.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. 11011 HOUSE presented a Petition, front the inhabitant
householders in the parish of St. Ann,
•Westioinsier, praying for the
repeal of the whole uh. the AssesstdT res. The Iloncurable Men,-

her stated, that a part of the great body of the Pt titioners.inteaded
to have applied for a repeal of these Taxes, and the mote notable
Tax upon Windows, a considerable time ago, but they had delayed
on the supposition that they would form part of the Chancellor's
reductions. The Petition was signed by upwards of 900 re.peetable
housekolderg—by persons of every political denomination ;
.and in ,
order to chew the anxiety of the people fur the rePeal of these bur-
thens, the number in the Petition was made up in five gouts
Ordered to be printed. . .
Mr. 110111101/SE had another Petition on the subject. ft was
a Petition from the iubabitants of St. Mary, Lambtth, praying for
the repeal of the Window Duties. The Petition was most respect-
ably signed, Ltd contained a table, shelving that the Tax weighed
heaviest on those least able to bear it.—Ordered to be printed.
MAGISTIIATE9' COMMITTALS.
Mr. HUME said, that on a former night he had
given notice of bringing furward the present motion,
which was, e, that an humble Address be presented to
his Majesty, praying that these be lid before the
House a return of the ntin:ber of persons committed to
Newgate or other prison*: for trial, by the several Magi-
strates of London, Middlesex, and Surrey, in the ;ears
1821, 1822, and 1823, stating the number of persons
committed, with their names, and the names of the
committing Magistrates; also the number- of persons
committed to each prison. from each office; also the
number against whom bills mere not found by the
Grand Jury ; the number that were convicted, and the
number that wete acqiiitte 1 and discharged, distin-
guishing each year."—Oh the qtrestion being put by
the SPEAKER, . .
Mr. H. SUMNER rote, and said if the Honourable
Member for Aberdeen had confined his application to
returns of committals by Police Magistrates, he (Mr.
H. Sumner) should not have opposes] the motion. But
he certainly should take the sense of the house on the
subject; if the motion was pressed in the way stated, as
be considered, if the names of County Magistrates-were
to be brought forward on occasions like the present, it
would be exceedingly hard.
Lord ALTHORP felt much surprised that the Hon.
Member who last spoke shoulti oppose the motion—
, (licar). For his own part he should be ashamed if he
objected to his name tieing brought forward connected
with his Magisterial duties. Ile believed he spoke the
seniiments of the Country Gentlemen of England when
he asserted, that they would not ohject to their nnuts
being introheed.with their Magisterial act--(Heal).
• Mr. M A BERLY said, as a Magistrate fir the county
of Surrey, I.e beggtd leave to differ from the Honoura-
ble Member (Mr. H. Sumner) in wishing to withhold.
the names of the comtnitting Magistrates. He really.
thought that a slur would be thereby cast upon the
Magistrates ut Surrey, and be was satisfied that nine-
tenths of them would not desire to have their names
concealed, and lie prtested against being included in
that measure proposed by the Honourable Member
eMr. 11. Sumner ). .
. :Sir.E. KNATCHBULL said, chat if the Honourable
Member for Aberdeen had stated any dis,i ice ground'
for the motion, he should have most readily, :conceded
it to him. There was another objection is by tl*mntion
should not be allowed, viz. t..e expense ehich..#ool4l-be
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Mr. HUME alltic'.ecl in what he had said on a former
a-•,1 observed that had belsgen aware of ativ
j-ction, he world have brought doWn the Old Bailey
'Calendar, from which it would have been seen that the
• prisoners who were comenitied by the Police Ma,gis-
traces, and were afteresatds convicted, did not bear that
lilliP"rtihn• to those priTsonen who were. Committed tay
the City Magistrates, and were afterwards convicted.
From this it. woi4d.seem that the Police Magistrates- did
not pa y'ilVit • the City' 'Magistrates did. He
would•state that the Secietary of State fur the Home
- Department bad found no fault with the motion when
he submitted it to him a few days ago, except that he
suggested the names of the Magistrates should not be
required, but be did not press the objection.
Mr. ASH RST thought, if the motion was acceded
to, and if an imputation, should be cast upon any Magis-
trates, there would be no possibility of defending them.
Mr. DENMAN expressed great astonishment that
any objection shotild be offered to the Motion. If the
unpaid; Magistrates were .aot antenable to any power
but the House of Commons, why should their names
be refused to be given sip connected with their Allagi:s-
teriel duties?. If their conduct seas not subject to in-
quiry; they would' become a nuisance to the country..
Let the Houselook at the Trespass Act, or the nume-
rous ones which had given power-to the Magistrates. pe
hiMself yesterday witnessed a conviction which the
Sewers Act imposed upon the Magisziates who pre.
sided. It was simply an obstruction of the pavement. A
man who descended from a coach near Doctors Com-
Mons was accosted by a porter, its' attendance, who sup-
posed he required.to know where Doctors Commons was
situated, or missile Gentleman connected with Courts?
While this conversation was carrying on, it person came
isp'and represented' that the pot ter had offended against
an Act cif ment. The law imposed a tine of £5;
and in default of payment the delinquent might be sen-
tenced to three months' imprisonment. When the case
-was braid before the Magistrates? they felt it to be ex-
ceedingly hard upon the individual who was shewn to
ISia unmated the law, but they were bound to inflict a
penalty; they did not, however, go to the full extent of
that. penalty. if the Honourable Member for Aberdeen
:hatraiked fer'returiis'of catunlitalse by ail the Magis-
'iraieVihrriiigli4C England, 'he Would have been per-
4ectly•jusiitied,instead of confining them to a few coun-
ties round•the metropolis, to see who the individuals
ii*reiiho had • been convicted without Judge or Jury.
NC (M). Denman) denied that any imputation bad been
• cast upon the Magistrates of Surrey or Middleser. And
*is there any difficulty, after what the House had wit-
nesed on Friday evening last, in obtaining defenders
fOriMrsgistrates? could any doubt exist that the man
in power would not meet with plenty of protectors in
Parliament 2 The difficulty was in procuring protectors
for the people,—(bear, hear). He was surprised to hear
that the expenses,which would be incurred in obtaining
the returns should be urged.
Mr. H. SURNER persisted in his objection, and in-
sisted that the.M.rgittrites- of the country were under° i
iontrOul. The Honourable and Learned Member who
had last spoken knew it well ; he knew their conduct
was liable to be brought forward and investigated in
the King's Bench.
Sir ft. HERON spoke in favour of the Motion. •
• The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said, it it was sug-
gestechthat airy abuse of the criminal law bad occur red, I
then undcu'itertly an inq-Uiry ought to. be instituted—
(Netir). 'He understood that the .Honourable Member
for Aberdeen did not accuse any one of such abuse, but
had merely moved for certain Returns respecting com-
mittals of Nlagistrates, with the•names of those Magis-
trates. He (We Attorney-General)*Would suggest,' that
an inquiry shOuld be fiiseinstituted into the facts, and
if it turned out that the inferences which had been
drawn were untrue, then it would not be necessary to 1
portue the inquiry any further. BUt should the returns
shevi that any abuse of authority had existed, then it
would be for the Hcuse to say whether the names of
the Magistrates should be brought forwaid. He would
't:u#est that the•Motic n might be modified in such a
niabuer,.to answer the end proposed by the Honoura-
ble-blember for Aberdeen.
• Mt. Secretary PEEL said, that the suggestion which
bed' Seen OfFeie.l by his Right Honourable and Learned
Friend .011 i had just *t down, wa's precisely the one
which he (Mr. Secretary Peel) had offered to the Hon.
Member for Aberdeen, when he mentioned his intention
Of anbinicting a 'Motion on the subject to the House.
'Hejthought that a prima facie case had been made out
'by the Ilialourable Member (Mr. Hume). and therefore
Amild not object-to the production of the Returns;
however,` he Considered that the names of the Country
Magistrates should not be given.. He should always.
perceive these was a difference between the Stifendiary
thestint 'Country Magistiates—(llear).
oEnnspx said, after what had been stated by
tlie.i,,ltight Remit able Gentleman who had last ad-
" dresSekd the House, it WAS unnecessary to add anything
triOre.ta elucidation of the subject. Ile would, hots ever,
lake theliberty of saying, that there were no.Magis-
ttatit mint diligent nor snore anxious in the discharge
of their Amy than thOse of Surrey.
:Mr. 4.l,detman TIIOMP.SO thought that the evi-
. dike by ivbich
,Magistrates were guided in committing
rt-soners ought also to be produced with the Returns, if
it were intended to exonerate them front charges which
Might be. brought forward.
Mr. Alderman WOOD said it was no uncommon
thing for Judges to complain at the Old Bailey of paltry''
Cases Coming before them. '
Mr. Secretary PEEL implbred the. House to suspend
their judgment until the documents were before them,.
as be Was lay persuaded that not the slightest imputa-
tiOn would be cast upon the Magistrates, for they, had
performed their duty; and, he was persuaded that when
the documents did appear,-there would be no"tharge
against* them. •
Mr—HUME agreed to the suggestions thrown mai
by the Itight Honourable Gentknon; and',moved fur
the Kett:it-as above stated, without inquiring the name 4
of the oomnsitting Magistrates.
the: Motion was then put, and agreed to. '1
REDUCTION OF MISS. •
Mr. HOBEIOUSE, in rising to•-prepose his motion!!
for the. Reduction of Taxes, observed; that Peededi
on this OLC.ISIOII particularly bespeak the indulgence t
the Hume. These were not weeds of course, but Wer
prompted by sentiments which he unfeignedly felt, a
the subject on which he was to 'treat' was one of vita
importance to the country. Alifftnigh he should 'take;
the opportunity• of commenting on. the' speech of the.
•-• .• Right Hourruralfte Gentleman opposite. he thought it
sighs to say that he participated in a great measure in
• the dieliBlit and satisfaction with which that speech was
received by the House; and that he viewed the Right
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foundation of a listing fame. ut iti4renting.-to
e jal&bdown, luktN
correctness a thq.iit' hOpies
lieghott4 did not
...think..a Lille'. Honourab.
Ge*tlernakhad satisfiefg Chi kistieretations of th,
country as to: thejedrietien of uPIieTT dor The Right
Hbhourahlet entre:Man might recollect that before he
came into office, the Government of the country had
departed from the ridiculous notion that the true riches
of the nation were to be found in the wealth of the
Treasury, and not in the wealth of the. peeple. . If the
opinions contained in his Majesty's Speech were correct,
everything was now prosperous; commerce was going
oa in a manner which could not have been anticipated ;
rear improvements had taken place in agriculture;
and the revenue of the.couptri was increasing. , If this
were the case, was it-Kiva stillth continue that systewi'
which had been created in a season of .pressure.• Hi
might, in passing, just allude to the. ported: upon
which the agricultural interest had been represented ttj
be in so prosperous a condition. That iltsprovement
had no doubt arisen from the present high price of corn,
Now he (Mr. Hobhouse) believed that this principle
was fallacious, and those which had been advocated on
both sides of'the House, that high prices would prove
the great depression of that interest, were more sound.
He would not, at this time, follow out that subject, as
the principle had been proved by. his lamented friend,
Mr. Ricardo, and by the Right Honourable Gentleman
opposite himself. But he might say, that as long as the
Coin Bill lasted, prices would always be fluctuating:
the consumer would either be paying too much, or the
producer gaining too little. Supposing, however, that
such prosperity did exist, was it owing, as the Hon.
Mover of the Address to the King stated, to the " work
'of superior beings ?" Did the Hon. Gentleman mean
to say that his Majesty's Ministers were " superior beings?"
or did he rather intend thus to express the result df na-
tural cause'? To what did the. Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer attribute this prosperity? Chiefly to the Em-
peror Francis of Austria 'and the House of Commons.
The Emperor had certainly contributed much towards
the flourishing condition of the country by agreeing to
pay 2,500,000/. out of twenty-one millions and a half.
And as to the House of Commons, " the calumniated
and vilified House,7 he (Mr. Hobhouse) thought the
Right. Honourable Gentleman should have stated that
it was not this florise of Commons, but a House of
Commons on ahich a Chancellor had imposed a system
which it was the great object of the present Chancellor
to abrogate and put down. Supposing the House had
any merit, that merit must be exceeded if, after the
people had borne with patience arid inng suffering bur-
thens and oppressions, greater than airy other nation
had been destined to endure, and after many bad actu-
ally died in the struggle, the same tax which prevailed
in the time of war should, atter the country had re-
mained in peace for a period of nine years, still continue
in force. Was this the *fret ing of the paternal Parlia-
ment? He thought that the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer gave a better account of the causes of this pro-
sperity in his speech of last year, when he said that "the
increasing commerce and increasing consumption of
the country, arose from the increasing ease and corn-,
fort of the people." The parliament had nothing to do
with all this. If one good 'principle could heti-Iced to
Parliament, two good principle: could be traced to the
people. Neither aas any praise due to the Government:
they had thrust their hands so long into the pockets of
the people, that it was actually not known to whom the
property belonged. This was-his view, and it was justified
flour-looking at the remission of taxes which had taken
place since the burthens of the French war were imposed.
The people were told that further relief froin taxation
was impossible. It was not the people who held that
doctrine—it was the Marquis of Londonderry—it was
Mr. Vansittart—they were the King's' Ministers who de.
Glared it; but fortunately the event falsified those asser-
tions; relief had been afforded, and front, the growing
prosperity of the country he hoped stitl, further relief
would result. He hoped that even that night would
not pass over Without further reduction of tasation,beieg
resolved upon. Ministers ought net, however, .to take
to themselves all the credit fur the increased.prosperity
of the country. It had been well said by an Honour-
able Friend'near him, that to its own native healthful-
ness and vigour did the country owe 'As recovery. It.
was the people who had began to recover, and they
might in their present state be compared to a man borne
down by accuroulated.preessire, from. whork some part
of his buethen was removed,' in consequence. of Oki);
he began to breathe again, and feel that he existed,.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer said in his statement,7
that he was not merely providint for the current yea:,:
but also for the three that are to succeed it. .hie
bited the scare of 'taxation for eachjfear, up tO
from which it was is clear as noon slay that. no.fiiitheri
relief was contemplated than what be . hail ann.ounced4
The Honourable Gentleman then proceeded to congrau!
White the Mine upon the dawn of a nuireftberal syi.!
tem of commercial policy than.thav hy,athieh 'we VA:
hitherto been guided, and upon alte.slielaration.pf the
chancellor of the Exchequer on a former night, when
he spoke of the cords ,by which CennuercilOs
bound, and profetsed his deterthiO4fi*co throve 7dOwn
the hollow and gilded idol -cif But the Right
Honourable Gentleman had,no right to assume to him.
self all the credit of that extended policy. ' He (Mr.
Hobhouse) objected to the plans of the 44ht,:lionoty-
able Gentleman; because the' included no measure for
further relieving the people. The Right Honourable
Gentleman spread his calculations over .a surfaCe'of four
years, from which he expected a surplpi of four
and upwards; brit he did not candidly State that
two millions and atialf of these were .to be derived
from the repayment of the Austrian Lean. The state-
ment was certainly done artisfereent, that, is, (added the
Honourable Member) like' an 'artist.' •Vidncting these
two millions and a half, the surplus for those four years
would be only 1,93.5,1491. lii estimeting the loss to the
Revenue by the reductions contemplated, the Right
61Ionourable.Gentlerniut spread his calculations over a
period of three years and a half, and took the amount
r.at,3,717,0001; but instead of conimencitigliis.system of
liberal politY by the reductioni•itludeu to, he ought
Irk to have lessened the burthen of taxation. It was
said the 'people Were happy—but they were not sensible
of :the -beneli(cbriterred upon them--
• t ►• Mete tee, di bona norini.
They evinced tliktiriseitude for the propmeclrelief bye
:petitioning, within ten* days after it was sumounced,:forl,
tut Cher and fur different relief. The' Honourable Gera-1'
'alemaa here contended that the suiplus-oUght to be ap-r:
plied rather to the reduction of theVissessed Texe.s thaw,
in'the way, proposed by die Chancellor of the-Excite.'
quer—that the diminution of the duty on silk, whic6,
would amount to 462,0001. would be producrive of nal'
relief to the poorer's:lt:abet. The people had paid within
the last 30. yeariasOleaa I..llitmawo billnms of millions of
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conCCiyin i 4 after that pay mentisf two billions ol4ctil-
ton, Of Rvtl.s, sari" the petoplCwere-eittOod sorir
itlief ; and yet after. tilt pa meat of those:
Of'.uaillions of pouials 4:the people, the Chiticelltir of
ihe,Rlfcheqiier aAcs wh at. Ought to te done akitlrs thris'or-
Otis of four millions, as if the obvious ohjectltell it
ought to be applied was not'the reductnin
The Honourable Gentleman then proceeded to content:.
that the sum intended to be appropriited filiiitf-
ing of new Chusches-(500,000I.) ought to be .appliesiaa.
the reduction of.
.taxation, AO_ gird the, case of Mary-
la-bonne Buish,..to prove that new Qhttfclies. were not
attractive, nor had they the
.effect of diminishing the
parochial rates t. for although sp smarty Churchea. had:
been lately erected in the Parish of St.:lllary-latonne,
find after. the expenditure of a million of 'Money in. that
.way, the yalue, of pews in the Parish Church had tiehlid;
and•thepariah Tates had been increased_ 15 per cent.—
He diet efore toasted the" Right Haaburable Gentleman
aiocild abandon his proposed appropriation of half a
million to the building of churches, ant! apply it to the
.reduction of the Assessed Taxes. There would be paid
by the. People in Taxes in. the year 1827, no less than
55,745,900/. OF that sum five millions were in Assessed
Taxes, which they felt much more grievously than the
other fifty millions, the payment of which was made
insensibly. But of all the grievances at ising out of 'tax-
ation, none were felt so galling and acute as surcharges.'
The Honourable Gentleman tiled proceeded to contend;
that op other grounds the reduction of the Assesse4 Taxes
ought to he the first object tote considered. Amongst
these the House and Windbw Taxes were by far the
most objectionable and 'oppressive. The reduction of
fifty per ce::t. of the Window Tax last year had failed
in producing any benefit, for it was proved by.Peiitiont
which he held in his hand, that the House• Tax had (he
might assume in consequence) increased. The pressure
of the House Tax might be conceived from the scale of
charge. Houses of the annual value-of 51. and under
20/. paid Is. 6d. in the pound ; those from 201. to 401.
paid 2s. 3d. and those of 401. and upwards paid 2s. 10d.
In many instances 180 per cent. on their value was paid
to House and Window Taxes. There was a whole street
in Bath, the average annual value of each house in which
was 321.. and each paid iu King's Taxes 34/. per annum.
Notwithstanding the reduction of fifty per cent. effected
last Session, the Window Tax still amounted to the sum
01 1,205,0001. being 'within a small sum of its whole,
amount in the year 1798—namely, 1,478,0001. He
would contend that the whole Tax ought to have been
reduced, instead of being diminished by .fifty per cent.
which allowed the whole scaffolding of the Tax to re-
main. It would be always better to reduce an entire
Tax than a part; and that was rendered apparent by the
mode in which the Salt Tax had Alien treated, and

which had failed in producing any of the desirable con-
sequences anticipated from it. Without dwelling upon
theinquisitorial character of the Window Tax, there
were other objections to it—such as the privation of
light and air—which it inflicted upon the people ; but
no grievance was more severe than the system of sur-
charges to which he had already referred; and in addi-
tion, nothing could be more unequal than the pressure
of the 'fax. He felt therefore justified in demanding,the
repeal of the whole of the Window Tax (1,205,0000
Indeed, he should have felt justified in demanding the
repeal of the whole Assessed Taxes, which amounted to
5,000,0001. and which could be effected by the abolition
of that which was called a Sinking Fund, did he not
know that many Hon. Members world deem the first
stone thrown'at that system an'attack upon public credit.
The repeal. of the House Tax, so far from injuring the
Revenue, would be productive of benefit by the increase
of building that would result from it, and consequently
the increased produce of the duty upon timber, slates,
and other building materials; One consequence of les-
sening the.annual charge on houstswould bean improve-
ment in the condition of the people; persons who now
lived in lodgings would then take houses. Although
the Window Tax had been lessened twenty per cent.
within the last three•quarters of.a
,year, the House Tax'
had increased 100,0001. The Honourable Member for
Yorkshire had expressed himself in opposition to the
manner. in which,t4 Wiwi duties were intended to be
repealed, and be bad in, the•same way to object to. the
rei.eal of the duty on coals. The. whole of the lacer
amounted to no more than 100,000/. and he contended,
that after the article had come to the consumer through
the, kegler,
:the shipper, and the petty vender, the coal:
burner himself did not get 6d. per chaldron by it. The
amount.of the. Window Duties being taken at 1,205t,900/.-
and the other duties proposed,,by the Government to be
.remitted, at 7140901., would, .malre a total saving or
reduction of taxes to the Public of 1,917,000/. of which
14295,000/. was all he had 'added to the-Chancellor of
the. Exchequer's. own project of ,reduction. To effect
this put pose he would take the whole pf the Aus-
trian repayment not yet applied, , itod,he ;should also
propose, that instead of the saving being spread over
the whole of the four next years,' he thought it ought
all to- be rendered available for the relief of taxation
next year. The Right Honourable•Gentleroan's pro-
ket twO objectionable, because it propounded a budget
Jot four years instead of for one. Though this ,was a
Gou-Sind, be thought it would. he making a very im-
proper.oseor it, to applY,Bso,ooo/, of it on the repairs
pflyrodeor Castle, whieh might betlene by the sale of
144triptan, .or U.ichmond Park. If a commission
were necessary, it would be more desirable, as being
likely to keep the King from playing the he would'
not say the word than in bringing about those
Whihisical alterations which it was not probable would
be completed before the eountry would be deprived of
ibis Majesty's services—(Clieers)—for, though not skilled
in the valuation of life interests, he would not take
them to be worth more than four or five years purchase,
as kings live--(A laugh). With all these savings, he
was still something short of the 2,500,005/. which
however, he thought could be supplied out of the reduc-
tion proposed by the Honourable Member (Mr. Ma-
brly), of Malt Duties, amounting to 200,0001. Once
:fur'all, he did not wish to touch the Sinking Fund. To
the House, and particularly the Country Gentlemen,
who came forward so efficiently when their interests
and property erre in danger from excessive taxation, he
would apply these remarks; more particularly because
these taxes affected their tenantry and the whole corn-
monity. For what had been done by Ministers Ire .be.
lieved the people were grateful; but the benefit was
partial, and nothing like that which had been antici-
pated by the Public ; and lie M ould now tell Ministers,
that unless they came forward with some greater re,
.lief tg the pourer classes of society, they would soon
feel the popularity which they flattered themselves they
had seemed, was n 9 more than a fleeting shadow. He
Dui coriclUsioe moved the following Resolutions :
• Thee ike reduciit4 of :iaxmtion proposed by the Chancellor of
Clip tti4ljaver was not sucli as bad been anticipated by the just ex-
pectattotra of the' People, arid that their tore the Iluuse cotuadered
tt wediem that a gt-r4tqc reduetiou shoulkukc placc.

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" That the 11, use, considering the 'Window Tax pectin:at,
pr. save on the lower orders of the community, resolved It 'liquid'
cease and discontinue on the sth of April next."
Mr. MA HEMS secon'!e.l the motion. He admi
that the Right Hon. GenCeinan (the Chancellor of
'Exchequer) ha i taken a fair and by no oterits ex,
gerated sisw of the state of the count, iti his sins,
statement.— Ink felt.: tlinst..4...asods•-•gsorstor .m. 11101410
'taxation ought to take—PlaCe from , the presini
jng: state of our affairs. Ile from
agreed in
peiliey.pf rediseir tiresbotilitieve stmt. vervohate4
ipoliq of oontinuiriff *lac Sisk itig .itiad;the irs ineip,
which had heehtevice inviided hetteesschninistration ,
fitelts/o6le Marquis: He felt justified twilight in' bring;
,InCfore the Mins, tl"re h bole question as' to the prnpr
rolihe'reductinn gractivill v. over the space of foer
because he had postpon&Siive consideration of :hat turt
the question at thedt.ttor theChahcellor of the Es
quer.
Friend's argument
in lile,yttind could he clearer than
Hon. Frieod's argurnini as to the reduction of the '
dow. nix. being that which would he most felt In
lower orders. -For his-part he shoUld prefer the re
tion of the whole of the Assessed 'fasts which iv
lieved would, amongst other things, be the mea
twinging home a number of persons of small inci
llsow emigrants in 'other • c -row ies, arid tend mu,
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improve the condition and morality of our peas
,who were top often comi.elle I, men, women, and
dren, both adults and infants. ma e and female,
sleep and live in the same chamber. If the us;
sidered the public creditor had been safe in the
Marquis of Londonderry's tinteosith a Sinking KO
2,200,0001 why now should they feel it necessal
have a Sinking Fund five millions ?He believe,
the present was no time to give the Church 50,1.0
it even were necessary, they should have done .01.
as they had done with respect to the Irish Church
have lent it to our Church Establish's:eat, fut
case there had not been a single Petition 00
to ground the application of this large sum of m,
Though anxious his Majesty should be splendidly
vided for, he was satisfied there was a sufficient fur
the creation of the splendid palace to be obtained
the sale of some of those now neglected or 'intim
A saving would be effected to the,Poblic by the
,of the whole of the Assessed Taxes, which %%soil]
amount to 300,0001. .a-year. And. should. they a,
make the duty on beer payable on malt, in a2dit
the duty which it, now bore, the collector of the
duty would only "have to take, for instance, 20s. per
eel, where he now took jOs. The collection of the
duties now costs us 140,0001. whilst that or
duties, which would be altogether saved, amours
280,0601. This too, would enable the poor to
Rood beverage at the same rate as the rich. Th,
object,he hoped to obtain was the reduction at
taxes, instead of its postponement till the yea'
as proposed by the Right •Honourable Gent)
and if that Right HononraSle Gentleman th,
would not be safe to do so as our finances now
he would ask him why he did not add to our
by exposing the land-tax to sale,.accompanied wil
qualification, and under such circumstances of
tion, namely, Ly giving the buyer a privilege
game, to vote for. Members of Parliament, nay r
hold seats in that House, or qualify him for the
tracy ? If this were adopted, he thought it wot
only enable the Chancellor of the Essthequet to,
the Exchequer• bids out of the mar ket at par, wi
the event of a war would save no less than six of
millions to the country, and would, in the event
being all sold, release and uphold public ctcdit
extent of forty millions, which was the least it cot'
duce. This was not a matter of any hazard, as he
only propose in the first instance to try the exist
of the measure before a tittle of taxation was re,
This would be productive of relief to the mass
people, and popularity to the Administration, .
pledged himself to give his warmest support
Right Honourable Gentleman, if he would outs(
to follow up a suggestion which he made on the st
ccnviction that it would be found of the aitmost
tage in its effects, and perfectltisafe in the experii
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
felt himself peculiarly situated this evening, int
as he was not only called on to defend. his own
and.measures, but even to shew that there was
ground for giving apreference to either of the
tions with respect to a proposed seller of the pubs
thens .severally explained in the speeches of du
nourable Mover .and Seconder. He hoped he she
able to shew that neither of those plans deserved
ference to his own, who's the whole of it wases!
The question was new quite of a novel nature,
much whether our bulk of taxation should be it
or maintained, but whether one way or the othi
of alleviating the public burthens should be
This, happily for him, narrowed the question.
present could not understand whether the Hot
Member intended to support the motionof the
for Westminster or not. .The Honourable Meat
he thought the principle acted on by Governmem
right principle, and though he wished a still
diminution of tamation, yet I.e had said his goer
was to obtain his (the Chancellor of the .Excl
consent to render more operative or effectiVe thl
facilitating the sale of the Land Tax. II the
of Government were given to this particular
the way pointed out by him, then the Honourable
tleman had said he should be content to waive -
ther reduction at present, at least until the ex'
were tried. So far, though it seemed he mini
reduction of the Assessed Taxes to be superindt
could not support the present motion of the Hon;
Member for Wettnrinster, because he could not
pronounce now whether the experiment Ise
would be successful or not. His present plan
would seem, the same as tlrat of last year, w?
not then received any. very encouraging suppor
plan in itself might _be good, so far as being cl
to inspire more life and activity into (ur final
rations. There was a reason why, however,
not produce the effect pow which it bad been
it v. ould do when the Land Tax Redemption
passed. At that crisis it would be remcml>
Funds were excessively low, and the price 'or
land extremely !,igh. Men possessed of land,
perty could easily borrow any money on such
rity, which 'AV:IId enable them to reduce the La
at pleasure. The state of affairs now was air
reverse. The 'lice the Funds hore was almost
what it then was; and though it were true '
culture had considerably-recovered from the
'it had experienced, yet there did exist at per
same facilities, or the same motives for. the I
of hind to attempt such an exchange of propel
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tkar Al the stock of • ttis..lcirsaWlC! -*as in the Maria
ild'be iMMedirfiely-disnost.d of; If 'the 'plan ptopesed
by the Honourable IGeniierrian "(Na. Maberly) should
be adopted: He did not •mean to deny that it might
snot he poorer to remove the impediments which now
egi,ted to the 'full operntion of the law ; but he could
not admielhat the' riper rinn Matter of course,
ince the whole effyd: -anticipated 'from it. • The
tiouourable Gentleman,(Mr. 11c:biro:Ise) pie-faced his
frotion with a great variety of remarks, inany of which
ae did not consider appli:able to the subject under con-
sideration. It did not, however, belong to him to ani-
seadvett on the course the honourable Gentleman
thortieht proper to pursue in thaarespect. He felt him.
;elf called upon, however, to make a few bbsei vatious in
allusion to those remarks. When he spoke, in the course
,cif his statement the other night, of the gratification that
*most ari-e in the breast of every person, both in and
gait of the Hou,e, at ss itnessing the rapid improvement
sof the country, he' did so ftont -a conviction that the
improvement was such as surpassed the mo.t sanguine
expectations' that any person could have' entertaine.l.
'The 11 inourable Gentleman denied this a he contended
that the country had a light to exeect much more. He
must say, boa ever, that it was much beyond what the
Honourable Gentleman himself had anticipated. He
never heard the Honourable Gentlenu'an ' say that he
hoped for relief from any other source but a change in
the system of repesentation in that House: That was
his ecanacea for all evils. Because he (the COancellor of
The Exchequer) made use of such language, the Ho-
nourable Gentleman (M allobliouse) seemed to think that
he entirely overlooked the merits of the people, the
patience with which they bore the great barthens that
pressed on them, and- the resolution with' wliich they
met the unexampled 'difficulties of a long war. He
hoped he never should be so ungrateful to the peoole of
England as not .most willingly to offer thein'every
triaute of acknowledgment in his power for the 'firm-
ness, patience, and intelligence with which they boie up
against difficulties and privations; for a course of cone
ciact without e Heft, he admitted, that no exertions on
the part of that House, or of Government, could have
availed. He expresied those sentiments on more occa•
stuns than one, and he did not therefore thiniehimself
liahle to the reproach cast on him by theam.Gentletnan.
The Hon. Gentleman said a good deal on the dissatis-
faction ohich,lie was pleased to say,the statement made
by him produced in the country. He said that much
more was expected ;-that the statement was by no Means
calculated to conciliate the people for the present, or to
afford a prospect of relief for the future; that it exe
eluded all hope of fir therre,iuction, at least -for 'four
years. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) wisfully
aware that the propositions he submitted to the Howe
could notain the ordinary sense of the word, be termed
popular; that he. might have proceeded in a way much
more likely to meet with temporary aPpl reuse out of that
Heine. Bat was he to relinquish all those great prig.
.ciples of commeice and finance, the wisdom of wilier
was acknowledged by every person, both in and -Our
'of the House., who knew anything of the Subject; was
he to give up a great and lasting prospeative adval“.
cage, lot the purpose of winning a little popular favoue
that could be productive of no lasting good ?—(Hear,
hear). From the very unpopularity of the course pro
po.ed, he thought the fair conclusion to be drawn was,
that Ministeis could have had no object in view, that
'they coula! have been influenced by no motive, but that
of seizing the very first opportunity of calling into ac-
tion those sound principles, which, both in and out of
Parliament, ire all enlightened countries, as well as in
this, were deemed of the highest importance, and ab-
solutely essential to the well being of States—( Hear,
hear). Of this conduct he was not ashamed, and lie
enter tamed no apprehension that he should ever regret
it. The Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Hobhouse) did him the
justice to say that his ptinciples were right, but yet he
thought the course pursued was imOroper and not cal-
culated to satisfy the just and rational 'expectations of
the people. If this were the first time they were called
upon to repeal taxes, and that they commenced in this
way, it ought perhaps be-said that they began at the
wrong end ; that they should set'out with the removal
of other taxes. But did the Hon. Gentleman (Mr: Hob--'
house) forget that Assessed Taxes to the amount of
three millions had been repealed, and the whole of the
Assessed Taxes of Ireland? He forgot • that in other
branches of the public revenue, which tell heaviest on
the poorer classes, in Malt, Salt, and Leather, Taxes
were repealed to the amount of three millions more.—
He forgot the important measure so highlfapProaid of
by the House last year—the repeal of the tax on the
Distillation of Irish Spirits, a measure likely to be pro-
ductive of the best consequence's on the morals 'of the
people, without any 'diminution of Revenue. The Hon.
Gentleman and the House must see that it would be
impossilOe to do everything 'at 'once; that by attempting
'too much, in place of doing any effeatnal good,• they
would throw everythieg into confusion. If taies 'to a
considerable amount had been already redeemed, Whe-
ther that reduction had been forced by the exertions of
opposition, or brought about in consequence of the ex-
piessed sense of the country, if Government, when the
fit opportunity offered, shewed a disposition to relieve
the pressing difficulties of the people, it was too much
to charge them now•with indiffeienCe to the distresses
of the country, and to pass a sentence of condemnation
a. t a moment when they were beginning to act upon
just principles (Hear, hear). When Government
shewed a disposition to act upon such principles, and
to free the commerce and finance of the country from
prejudices of long standing, the wise course for the
House to pursue was to give their support to a system
which was most likely to erable Government in future
to reduce the public buttliens, and to render essential
and lasting service to the country—( Hear, hear). It
was because he looked upon the course proposed as the
first step to motint the ladder, the-lirse advance toward.
Whe pieciples, that he called upon the House to take
a wider range,. to look beyond the apparent benefit of
the moment, and to support the tine of policy he re-
commended. Though sOrae of the details might per-
%
0:tos be liable to some objection, there was 'no one,
either iii or out of the-House, who ventured to contend
zor a moment that the principles were Wrong. Thete
oboe-rations had reference to that part of the Hon.
Geetleman's (Mr. HObtionse) speech, in which he at-,
ewei, tl.at by the. financial statement Which he (thel
thancellor of the Exchequer) submitted to the House
a former occasion, the country was pre:Andel
hum !finking to any further reduction of taxes for four
years to come. It was never his 'intention to produce,
such Impression ; nor did he think the onelusion
be fairly drawls from anything he then said. He
!oak a period of four years, because he did not wish to
;:.cur the risk of holdrfig out hopes, the realising of
Which depended on contingencies. Becatine lie was not
C.cir disposed to go too far for the puret;se of concalia-