Star.
London, England, 1815-02-23 00:00:00

CORN LAWS.

On the motion of Mr. Rosmsise, that the Report
of the Committee on the Corn Laws.be laid before a
Committee of the whole House, •
Colonel GORE LANGTON wished the idea not
to get abroad, that the gen,:ral opinion of the people
of this country was in any respect changed on this
important subject. On the contrary, ft remained un-
altered, and they looked with tearful apprehension
on any alteration being made in the Corn Laws.
General GASCOYNE was convinced, that it was
from the necessity of postponing the measure last
year, that it was lost. An Honourable Member had
stated, that this procrastinatioo had given an oppor-
tunity for a farther investigation of the subject, and
that he thought it likely to be more satisfactory. He
was convinced, however, that the people at large re-
mined much in the same sentiment as they enter-
tained last year, and this sentiment was again ex-
pressed by the innumerable petitions which crowded
the table of the House. There was scarcely a large
town in the kingdom which had not sent up its
prayer that no alteration be made in the Corn Laws.
They had seen no other alteration lake place, in con-
,sequestee of the labours of the Committee, but an in-
crease in the price of bread ; and though it had been
said that those who were guided by reason, rather
than by feeling, were generally right, he was of an
opinion directly the contrary ; for in whatever re-
lated to the subsistence of human life, those who
were guided by feeling were sure to have reason on
their side. The House being composed of the great
body of landholders in the kingdom; and the repre-
sentatives of the people, must come to the discussion
with feelings of another kind. He did not mean to
say, that there would be any bias on their tziuds on
this accoun:, but only that as having an interest in
the land, theft feelings cannot be expected to be the
same as these of the populace at large, who subsist
on the produce of the land. It appeared a most ex-
traordinary part of the population, that the House
was called on to prevent the importation of Corn
into the country for three months, and that there
was still to be an importation
.going on under the
warehousing system. But the time to which it was
proposed to allow the importation to extend to at
certain periods, could not possibly answer the pus.
pose, as it would be impossible to import corn to the
manufacturing parts of the kingdom, as far as the
Clyde and the Mersey, therefore a longer time be-
came necessary to enable them in those parts to ob-
tain a supply. As corn is a very perishable comm..
city, he conceived that when it is imported into this
country, to be kept in warehouses till the price attain
a certain height, there must be some provision made
for the importer, who would otherwise sustain a dead
loss upon his property. Unless some clause were in-
troduced to this effect, the consequence would be
most serious, and no person would be induced to
import. But this might be said to be only one of
the tedious of the subject. On the principal point, it
would, in his opinion, be most judicious in Govern-
ment to reduce the importation price to 725. which
would be a sufficient protection to the farmer. The
first consideration should be the interest of the con-
sumer. The wain body of the people are the con.-

awao-.
rumen and not the growers. It was justly obser
by Adam Smith, that the questions which must-
always be acquiesced in are those which relate to reli-
gious opinions and the necessaries of life. He was
confident that the price now proposed was laid too
higli.7 It was impossible that' the importation of fn.
reign corn could produce the injury described ; for
it hid been -admitted and proved that the whole an-
nual quantity did not exceed one-fortieth part of the
consumption, it was impossible that this one part
could affect the price of the thirtyanine, though- that
of the latter-might affect the price of the one parr.--
There were Certainly same causes which had operated
of fate to affect the quantity consumed ' • one of these-
was the tetion of the great- number of prisoners-of
war, who:amounted to about 100,00 G. This must
have hid someeffeet. Another tense was.the num-
ber of persons-who had gime from this -country to
visit the Continent, and who might amount to 50 or
Go;000:- -The combined effect produced by -this
cifithge must- have produced more effect thin hid
been counteracted by the importation •foreign
Ccani *this is the casei we are likely to have bread
cheapest Indic encouragement is given to the•landed
interest-td continue the price at 80s. it could not be
eipeCted that they -would make any great reduction
in their rents. He thought that this was no more a
lint-to settle the price of bread orrent, titan to settle
what should-be the eipetices-bf the Peace Establish.?
meet, which the Right Hon. Gentltotan opposior
bid said-ceeld not 'be ascertained for four or five
- :yeas to cottle;---(NO, too, from the Mincsterill BAch,Y
fie was -of opinion, that before the House
should separate for the .summer recess, the price, of
bread, Which- we are.now eating at nearly a shilling,
w'buld be nearer to eighteen:pence than to that ptice.
He-wished the House would- agree to go into a Com-
mittee on the subject, wherein clause by clause might
be distussed.
Me. ROSE would advise the House against going
into a Committee. The matter had. already been
udder consideration two ot three different times. A
Committee had sat, and made a Report, and the
Honourable Gentleman- now sayi the House must
shunt- their ears agaihst its contents. He was as
minions a friend to the price of corn being as low as
pirssible, as-any man could be, and this too, without
such low price being injurious to the gra:Yes; and
for this• reason he wished for a full and free dis-
eitssiart. o ' • ".' •• ' " '
Colonel GORE LIS.NGTON said, that being
cdustWins of the rectitude of his Intent-jogs, he would
d ride the House upon the qaestion of the Speaker
leavfng-theAtiik. • •
-MA-0/11,CRAFT was of opinion that discussion
would afford the hest mode of placing the subject in
Orbpote:. •-- ••# •
THEROlthiught that instead of the
Ifnhobrabie Meinber•oppriiing the Speaker leaving
the ' the pre,perest steiiwrititt hare been-to op-
p)se the going intolhe.Contmittee. It was now un-
fair-to °lsraelite disettsgon. -
his. W HITBR gal), said. tbat Alte. Honourable
lf ember behind hint te:lonel tatrgtonl bad p' the
btisiness footing to•whithat was' itipossible
himsto•accede. ••It Was onfairto the• House and
the public,"tltae the. Honcurable Member- should
take this step, wlibil4touldniake a false impression
aissoad, ,and iodisoe.many Ad.anbera to-vote contrary
t. 9 4he may: in- _Which :tin. INvld, after hearing all
the arguments which coulci be adduced. He trusted,
howover,that the Hon. Member was not inexorable.
Mre PHILLIPS said a few words against the
rillxi' .4,. •
** tlgirisTEli spoke briefly to. the same effect.
Hi had: came down with the sincerest anxiety to
bear the discussion that was due to the importance
cf the Sobject, w hear whatever could be said upon

so great 4 question.
The HUnse- then 'divfdid,
Voiltte Motion of Mi. Core Langton -
Against it •
199
'Majority • --- 191
• The Noose then resolved itself into the Committee.
Mr. BAR INOirose.

- Mr. ROBlNSON,thought, as the three first Re.
solutions,were net objected to, it might.penhaps,be as
well topass them at once, and take Abe diseusoon on
the -general 4stvaiion when, they came to the f mob.
• 'Mr. BARLNG .said,,ltie observations would be
founded on the. fourth Resolution, which brought the
whole-subject before the „House. ••'' • -.
The•three first Resolutions were then read and,
agreed le. ; !- • • a •
that fivrth-Resolutionf which fixes the price at
til irch-Wheac sh-allrbe t` it
Mr...Rosz and frii. BAsaia offered to addicts the
Coolniiitir.• ••• • •• •..• •. • 1.. • .
The CtraloraNY'ffinnetl Mr,,Theen. • • 1 !•!' •
Mr; • W setnineled the Chairman
that. -the; .Honotwelik •Gientleinaw.;4/dr. • Baring)
baying risen or. speak 'before the light Honor :able
Gentletnati proposed to.pase his three first Resolu-
tions, might be regarded as baring possession of the
Comysiftste.f“. •••• -,/ " i••:•) :e
-• 141nSC8B-denimi .4111; 116119111111114. Gristle
man h4d.beenin,-posemion of thitiCoelanliteee•-•lie
bad offered thintself thus. early?: in.. eeatettattie. . of
'hrs. having been called:ow by the—Honhurable-Gene
tlerrian (Mr., .Baring)'on a former day. lide "was
'very willing so' give sway to him, es be •bad .no. wish
to impact on. the.. Committee before they were per-
fectly diatom-10 hear him* „,.., ~;
Mr.:1)&11111AG whold:hrits bees thapp, to ve+
way to•the Right Ifins.r.entlentan, bet that ha .had
eb _
intentilm of omeving certain amendments on :Ow
Resolutions, which henvished to submit so the Conti,
enittee•at tbe•commeneement of the I.discession. • at
-th.e-tame time, had he thought.sheißight-Hon. G.e.
ticm:ln would have- taken upon limself•thia.
with the same abilivy wbieh-he hat.-displayed4ast,.
year, he sbouldihave been,most willing ..to.retsign
to him. 'lbis, however% . was that which he could not
.bape:, • He had been very much disappointed: on-the
farmer day by the-little part which sbe Right• Hen.!
Gentleman had taken in the proceedings, and tisk;
Circuiestsance, combined with the reports .which:hq
bad before stated to have reached hint, !had: outdo
him apprehensive that he bad changed his •opinion
with respect 40 the Corn Laws, Had he known there
wasno strong a feeling in the House in favour of Abe
view be (Mr. Baring) took of the subject, es ha 4
-be.ii accidentally manifested, he did not know, bet
-he should have abstained from, putting himseilkin;
w ird on this ficcasion, in the hope that the husinesi
would fall into abler hands. lie was glad to see

that feeling \e which ha bat* relived more general
Ilan/ ke.bad
,expected it narullibsta and he hoped
the numerous, petitions which had been presented i
thebtst Session spinet the propped alteration wesul
not have been • presented In vain. For himself, his
op itainni were not at all altered from what he h
..
stated them to be in the last Baum, and in the Sas.
sion before the last. He had seen eothing.thet ought
to induce the House at all to alter their conduct wittrl
-respect to the Corn Trade, OR the general principle„
though certainly there was a d rangement of the la.
boor and of the agriculture of the country to be ob '
served, which called for a remedy. In cases of great
commercial distress, though it was not _consistent
'with the principles which usually regulated:the con.
duet of Parliament to vote an issue of Exchequer
Bills, to furnish the means of carrying on trade, yet
this had been done in some• instances. as it was
thought such assistance would break the fall to be
apprehend-d, and considerably tend to remove the
temporary difficulties under which our commerce
laboured, Something of this sort, it appeared to.
him, might now be done, - without -.henry to the
public, and without abandoning those principles
from which he would be the lest man to advise
that House to depart. To the measure now propo.
sed for the relief of the landed interest, he had very
•strong objections. Notwithstanding a feeling :mow
florourable to his views than he. was prepared to ex-
. Pectabad been manifested, he still feered. there was
44be minds of a majority in that House a strong
drsposition to pass the measure now submitted to
I theta in its present state. Under this apprehension
heahould proceed to communicate to the Committer.
the view he took of the minutes of the case. • After
a long war the return of peace had caused-that con-
fusion and derangement in the agriculture of the
Country, which might have been expected. The price
Of the produce, and of course the value of land, must
be affected by such a-change ; and it was .natural
that those who suffered from it should come to Par-
iament to seek redress. The question now was,
+ether the Committee could cr ought, on codsider.
ig the case of these persons, to infringe every pain-
tiple by which the commerce of the country had
heretofore been regulated, by giving them an imme-
diate abstraction of the Corn Laws.? To do this
was to do no less than to give them leave, by keeping
up their rents, and the value of their land, to continue
at a high rate the prices of labour and of food.—..
He wished it to be considered to what extent the
landed interest was already protected at the expense
f' the consumer, and closely to look at what they
try
ere called upon further to do. Vor this purpose
e would submit to them a few short estituates.—,
Taking the population of England, Scotland, and'
Wales, at 12,500,000 souk, and assuming the an.
nual average consumption of each person to he one
quarter of-wheat in bread, and supposing ball as
much more to be consumed in Beer and Spirits, at.
Supposing this average to be correct, and that tloae
were no Corn Laws at all to prevent importation, it
would be found, from the prices which that commo-
dity had borne in other countries from which we
derived a supply, that in England the average price
of a number of years would have been 45 ale 3 ling i,
per quarter. In France and Flanders, the price, on
taking the average of a number el years, it would
be seen, bad been 40s. the quarter. Allowing Ls.
per quarter for the transmission of it to this country,
its price here must have been, as he had before stat-
ed, about 453. per quarter ; for untler such a system
the price of Corn, in a tnalitime country I;ke this,
must be about the average of all other countries.—
This would have been the state of the ease had that
situation of things existed which he had supposed.—
The Corn Laws, however, had excluded foreign
grain, when the price of wheat did not exceed 65
shillings the quarter; making a difference of '2os. in
the quarter in favour of the aviculturist. It would
hence be seen, that an annual bounty had been paid
by a population of twelve millions and a half to the
Corn-growers, amounting to no less a sum than
£12,500,000, in the Bread and Flour which they
consumed. Add to this halt as much more for the
Corn consumed in Beer and Spirits, and 16,250,000
Must be put to the ac 12,500,000, making the total
bounty paid by the consumers of Corn to the landed
Interest in a year-, nut less than £114750,000: This
Maas an advantage not- enjoyed by the landed. in-
tetest in stfty other' Part. of . the world.• Now it
'Was proposed to raise the price at which- the im-
portetion- of foreign- corn should be prohibited, to
SO shillipAgt ; and doing this, ar annual additional
bbunty of 414/100,000' was required oldie consurher.
This, if acceded to, . would raise the bounty paid for
'the protection of the landed interest to £.32,750,000.
As he did, not wish to say any thing that could be
'considered at at all inflammatory, he wished it to be
'understood that he did not take vaion:hisitself tosay,
that so much went from thelficiple• Into the pockets
Of those hy.whcim their_food was grown, but lie re.'
served to himselfsto consider if it:were /mensal+ that
any part of this should be paid. Inrnaking his eaten-
Elation hehad rather undervalued the sent paid by the
ennsnater. If 4 calculation were made in another
Way, oat the rent Paid on all the cultivable -land, the.
result would be similar, and it would be impossible
not-to see that 4n Immense bouittlies Ova inallis'
countrylothe agriculturist, which the agriculturist of.
no. other Country hi-the world was. sipposedtcrise en..
'titled AO: • tit Frame there were certitmly persons pos..
:scsted °firing landed property.., Theesultivated it.
andlivedon it with that kind of hospitality Which-
forinerly was sere in. Englatid:hui.it waseely in tlthi
iecNietry that the proprietor of landed propertt could,
Securely leave his farms, receive their produce and ge.
abroad to spend it elsewhere. .OnthcsUbject of the
additional bounty prooMed po'bigiyete he wished to
address the CUrnnatiseept particular. .Notwithstand-
i rig
_he' admitted dismar. to exist which called for a
remedy,
remedy, he was decide of opinion that pretection
often be eatended.tonfar.. • It might be carried to a
polka which would be destructive to the manufactures
taf the country
.from the increasing priCe of labour;
't pr
cm that pretection!.. They ought thereforq
'tskpre.ceed with emit:earl stePs,_and consider well
the consequences' of what they were doing, or their
proceeding;, mightcause incalculable, tnitchief..... He
considered it would be a waste of time to common;
'on certain ingenious, but whimsicel staterUents,Which
had been made in die. evideoce given. n ahother
place- He cotald not conceihre that ii.that House
there could be any uedeeitanding so Constructed as to
requite mit convinced that thelsrice. of labour might
be affected by the price of subsistence. He would as:

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soma-this tobe conceded. The eesolutiotte . cattle&
would not fail to augment the price of corn and bread,
ened
ethose of laboullantest be raised in progression.—
An Hon. Friend of hit, whd had spoken in favour pf
,
eltetne.had decliredehe would. not support them ifehe
torisidered them likely tie cause bread to be soltd.at a
high-price t. lie, on time contrary,. wes in famureof,
them, as he. was. ceeadent thrr effect would be to
make it cheaper. He believed the Hon. Gentleman to
be einem e but he could not comprehend . the course.
of his understanding, when it led him tolook for such
an effect from the measnre in. contemplitiOn. The
petitioners fora change in the Corn. Laws declared
if the importation prices of Corn were not raised to
SOs. they could not lixe, and must threw up their
lands. If theeffect of the change should be that Qui.
cipated by his Hon. Friend, they retst All be starved ti
for no* their complaint was, that its price was so 10.4
that foreigners could undersell them et the market,
and unless protected against them by the Legislature
they must be ruined. If the change, then, should
cause the price rf bread to be loweied, the farmers ,
would be thrown.out altogether, they must give.up,.
their hams. and the consequence would be. that situ-,
ation of things which they wet e so fond of bringing
firward to the alteration which they desired. Aere
eulture would be given up, and we must then depend
44 foreigners fur a supply °Worn, and take it at their
'rim It was impossible Bread could be cheap if the
1,11
esolutious .were adopted. The argument of those
, o supported themwould be consistent if they were
tp say, these will ensure you a steady supply, but yqu
Must .pay for it, and it is better to pay a pod price
• her your bread at once, than to be dependent on fo-
teigners for the supply of an article
.of such printery
iinportanae. This he could comprehend, but that a
Measure brought into give relief to those who could
not live unless corn were sold at a higher price, would
Make bread cheap, was that which he could not un-
derstand. What was the case of .1,14i5. county), ? It
was that of a country which consumed more than
ircould groat, and which must the:Are have, its
ices regulated by •the charges on that portion
f its. supply which it had derived from foreign
4onntriea. .But it would be said, if these Resoletiens
were adopted, a sufficient supply would be raied at
home. This, however, by the arguments of the sup-
porters of the Resolutions, could not be, if the effect
pf them was to make the ;nice of core Ow? Of what
ese could it.be that this measure culled 'barren lends
to be turned into corn fields, if the low price of cote
Was immediately to throw them *out of cultivation.?
He called upon the Committee to look At the returns
Which ,bad been made at various periods, and it
Would be found that in England—an 'reporting coun-
try, the price of grain hid ever followed that which
was named as a errotecting price. For five years be-
fore. he year 176 e, the average price of wheat had
been ,fl. l Os. 7d.. the.querter, and an alteration was',,
made in the importing price in that year, and the
consequence was the average price in the five follow-
ing years :ow onere2. Ss. From 17.)t .to 1794, no
considerable alteration had taken place in the price
of corn, Parliament hiving left it to itself, it had
tlectuated according to the harvests in the .I.o.l.;eent
ye•Ars, Lut not greatly. ,No neveriel advance took
place,within. the long pettiest r,l 64 years, but in Mile
an Alteration was 'node in the Ilse, and its pii:.e was,
in es.neequenceerAised from. el. 10s. t, 42. 3s. the
gearter. Ft0m.1761 t 0179 I, no change of trneer.
'fence was msde in the Corn Laws, and the pace*.
corn was not inereesedeif at all, • to any considerable
amount. In the. Avie years, ending in 1791 e the ave-
rage price was XL 7s. the quarter. An alteration
was made in. the law in 1791, and in the five folloW-
ing years, the avefage ;nice was .€3. 9s. He thought
there was no doubt, that raising the importation price
of corn wouldejuveriahly raise the price of corn
and bread. This he found on an inspection ef our
imports and exports at different periods of our his.
tory. The great demand for corn unquestionably
at use from the increased, population of the country,
and from the military establishments, &c. which had
been formed in the course of the war. While we
were a great importing country our prices had been
low. He knew that it had been asserted the prices
of corn were low when the importing price was high.
A garbled abstract of the returns at certain periods
might seem to prove this, but he had little faith in
the statement. He did not helieve the importations
of 'corn injured the interests of agriculture. Within
the last 20 years England had imported more over her
exports than ever she had done before at any period
upon record. It was admitted such great improvements
in agriculture had never been made before, as had
been Made in this country within the last Ito years.—
No Gentleman could go through the country without
being constrained to admit that its agriculture was
in e flourishing condition, and to this it had risen
deting4this season of importation. This fact dis-
rove the arguments of the supporters of the.Reso-
tions,• and proved the increased demand for corn
'which rendered a supply necessary, was caused by
•our incteasingpopulationuand did no injury to our
*agriculture at home. Bat-the fashionable argument
'seemed to be the great value of independence—that
.we oughteo be independent of foreign countries for
'a• suptilref tern, wasedutt which the agriculturists,
'wishedlie establish. That 'by keeping out all foreign'
corn] and by cultivating all sorts of land at whatever,
entnenee, we might 'Procure an independent supply,was.'
alit it which could hardly be doubted, but nothing.,
so dd. be more absurd than for any deliberatiee body.l
In decide on such a measure, as one which would be
Ise whciel •to their country. Independence in any
using would filmy. be dear to Englishmen, but that.,
'we Should raise corn on Leeds which were very good
tor other.purposes, but good for little for corn, when,
we might procure it much cheaper froM our neigh-.
!bows, was a measure which he could not admire,
though it was coupled with a notion of independence.
Whet if the people .of Norway and Malta ehotild, in
the same way, resolve to be independent, and scratch
their barren rocks and sands to sow corn, instead of
weekjng their mines, carrying on their fisheries, and
forwarding their manufactures, by which they Might
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obtain ease, ten times over, the greatest supply
their agriculture could ever furnish. From Maltaj
they mien sail to Egypt for soil to spread over their
rocks, to receive the teed, but what would be the re.
stile t The cOnhecjuence of adopting'such a System
of policy would be this—they would not be able to
raise corn for their popUhition : bet that would cut
dawn their population to their Cain.'`They would
not cut the bed-ta the Mari, but the limb: of the man
to the bed. The soil of Scotland was bad in many

parts for the growth of corn I but if she Were :e,,11
rated, as formerly from Englund, and determined
be independent, declare no one should go there ul.o
aid not take his bread, what but misery coald he the
consequeoce of such a resolution, to attempt to
,that which nature had neser intended her to do
'L'his soil of gaglanst was raiRCILWOrn 19r tlig.grgarti
of corn than* inuch of the lend' on the Continent.-v-
Bad harvests in this country were awe frequent, yet
to cultivate barren lands, it seemed 'a new system
was to he acted upon, which threatened to *destroy
the sources of our wealth and power. He did
not say that the fifteen shillings, proposed to be ad.
ded to the present importation price, would proeuct
such.in efres:t, but it the p!an were persevered
might be Fief i6cea, the lo .s Of which would be mos.
;Di ut ions to the country. It. might be, never gut bac:.
again, and our present advantages might be lost i:
the same way as they were formeily gained. I-i
doubted not much more bsd land could Ile brougt.
into cultivation. if Bth. were ,the Lmtteting price
than if it fled at 70s and 'still more niight be der.

ih this way, it, iasteed of 8(11. the price were fired a•
510 s. or 100« ; but the question was, would it be wist:
to wait the success of this expensive experiment, and
tell the people, in the meantime, drat they seeuld tee
no breed but WI: it was grown in the country ? N( t
only would Cais mcaoire he the mewls of bringing:
poor Linde into cultivation, but of imptoving these
al:eatly cultivated. One of the witnesses had ea.;
that. in censeqttence of • the low price of corn, lie
could no longer use the hand-hoe its cultivating h s
fialds. He Vii. Bering) understaiocrthis-h;owliil •
rice, •was no ohject, the cultivator coula afford to
hail-hoe, or herohrefte, his land so-ak tti-Mete it
perfect garden ; but he could aff od to do this 6.0
longer when, foam competition, corn had become._
cheap. He did not ye that such improvements weto
those which that House ought to encourage at Ile
public expense. If this were (hoe there might be ne
cud to the artificial improvements mule in agricte •
tore, and they might possibly s 'on hear of a large
water pot being constructed to he used in dry weethei.
These niceties were not wanted They might net
the taste of some of the corn growers, but they weal
not answer the purpose of the consumers. Uudee
encouragement given to the tended interest in do
end would have the effect of destroying the ma-
nufecturiog interest, and then the corn growers woultl.
be compelled to expel( their corn,. and thus th
great elaileratssw in their eyes, the making of this
country an exporting country, would be gained.
Raise. cum in coneequence of the high price to let
paid for it, immense pestures would be ploughed tip,
retch wood would he grubbed up, Land would be a-r-
Liticially
prepaied for the growth of corn f'r whice
it could never be and to the raising of which ate
owners could never think of appropriating it, but ter
the bounty offered on that commodity. Fur this
reason he must oppose giving any bounty in additioe
.to that already given, as mos: injurious to the emit:-
try at large, and net less rightly conuideseable to else
landholders then to the odor members of the com-
munity, as they as meth as any others, were intere..-
ted in promoting the public good. But suponine,
the, House attached no imperoince to thi.i reasoning,
still would he corgend the pretentiens of the farnat;s
were perfectly griinildkcs,and he srante,lnot lan mtr e
than the evidence hefeee the other House to Grave
It was irneenoible to tetot that evideuce, wi:hout seeieg
the partiality %cite which it had-teen drawn
From the style I)! the witnesses oTreitiined, it wee
deer they were all on one side, but nothing wort
conclusive against • them than their evidence co hl
have been hoped from the examinetion c f. a set of . i•
news, all- of the opposite party. In 1801. when Ile.
kw was lest -changed, the tanner thought the rite
then named, as the inapt), cation .price. a satht4tumy
price. It was for him to shew why that which nes
then a pre!ecting price, was not sufficient no,'.--
It was said his expences were increa-td. He (,lr.
Baring) hoped that some Gentlemen A ho treated this
subject generally, would go a little into the detaii,
and shew what these expences were, and how it !%Jr-
pened that they would not be levatared in cnnsequente
of a declension in the price oi corn. An 11:s exo•nco,
excepting taxes, he meinteined, must iolloo the price
of htead. It was said the expense for horses wet
greater than he 1804. ; but es these were the produce
of drefirm, of seine farms at least, thou:;': that pm-
due. bore a higher price than formerly, it too not to
be taken into consideration as a serious augmereetito
of the expences of which they complained. Tie
Seeds, harness, and blacksmith's wo:k were mai-
•
toned. These rely gave an additional charge for
labour, which must decliue with the price of suste-
nance. The increased charge for manure, and Ile
complaints founded en it, he considered as absuild.
Oil cakes were spoken of as increased in price; Let
it was evident that the miller would sell them to the
hrmer at half pri,:e rather than throw them away.
As the seeds limo be useless to itiM•whee the o:1 was
pressed out. lt was oite..i.o;.iance where 9.5. weir
formerly paid, as many g.irnee.s were now demenilei
for the same quanthoe. Of this article there conlil
be no diminution in quantity ; and it was therefore.
impossible ;Or any Gentlemah not to seeded it met
be sold for that price Which the former could afoot
to pay. So much for the -general merits of the coma-
' plaints of the petitioners. The price used upon lo
those who had siren evidence before the Committer
as that Which orould.protect fa'rmer was S.os. ae.i
the witnesses who stated this, universally stated e:
soppositiop 1411 umixhotesfir tarn; !Amin :t
rent, were to remain the same. As the farmers took
the corn at a low, and every tamp; else at a Welt Priv%
in order to make out their case; how could toe Con:
mittegive diem relief Uherei such circumstances, whet
they Fallit.know it was impossible for the high price'
of laboui Recanting', ,it the price of corn declined
`On this itt4nt it would be well to look to the evident
gfltl4'''b, one of the tnost•intelligent triturates
exao.4 by the C'erhAilttee, who, being a.koi hoe
the Neuter could :land ii his expenses were c lculeo
ed at &.per bushel, and the prices were to rector
•as they then existed ? attsweved; that, it the are'cum
were founded in fact, be would lose about £2. it
per quarter; but expressed hii opinion, that such •
state of things -meld never ezist, because the teihl•
tion in the price of labour, and in a vetiety oi oder
expenses, mustprivartinned to this alienation r •
price. The nine pint etWati Waif alio asked, whet e.
molly expenses would not still remain the sane,
though the price of produce: was diminished?
Lir
reply was, that he thought some art:cles trrieN
main at the same rate, fot a short period, but hot tO!