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speet to the dbpos,daeof lapis Catholics to suppress out-
rage, the Meng' Dlgnitaty, as well as the lowest Priest, had
uniformly opposed himself to every sort or disturbance. If
the lives and happiness of men bad depended solely on the
preservation of tranquillity, they would net have entered
upon their duty with more devoted zeal than they had ma.
formly shewn. In ease the Clergy bad been neutral, the present
disturbance which he did not consider so formidable as many
persons did, might bate become an evil which would have re;
(paired the whole force of the United Kingdom to pet It down.
An Hon. and Learned Member had said they must double or
treble the force to preserve the peace in Ireland. Good Gov I
could
such language be worthy the 'attention of the House--
(Hear, bear, bear). Why was it not down with indignation
by the Irish Members?—( Hear,' hear He could tell the Right
Hon. and Learned Gentleman, that fifty thousand men would
not put down Ireland. Accumulated force, instead of subduing
the evil, was likely to lead to interminable war between the two
countries. The Right Hon. Member •then defended himself
against the charge of inconsistency, with respect to his vote in
lull. He was accused of supporting a similar motion, but upon
examination it would be found that he supported a motion which
materially differed from the present." With respect to the Id.
terior part of the Right Hon. Bansnet's motion; calling on his
Majesty to declare the causes of these disturbances, it was quite
impossible for hint to ,adopt such itmotion without declaring
that be had not confidence in the Government of the country :
had he wanted that confidence he should not have been seen on
the side of the House where be wai placed. He left all who knew
the uniform tenourof his conduct and political character to say
whether he had joined tfie Irish Government without confidence.
" I believe," said the Right Honourable Gentleman, " there is
nothing for the benefit of Ireland the Government of that coun.
try would'not use their utmost poster to provide. Many of the
objects the• Right Honourable Baronet has pointed out, and for
which the Government are still obliged to him, were some time
since under the consideration of Government, and every effort
was made to afford remedial measurer. • With respect to the
RomanCatholia question, his Right Honourable Friend had truly
said it ought nut us be connected with this question. In a short
time, a branch of the question would be Introduced by a Right
honourable Friend. With respect to the general question, it
was his intention to submit it to the House next Session. On
this occasion, he could• not serve the 'Cithoiic cause better
than by leaving it out of the present discussion. There was one
circumstance which afforded a bright ray of hope: His Majesty's
visit to Ireland (Lad been the source of delight and satisfaction
felt by his Irish subjects. That wise step had been foliaged up
by the appointment of the Marquis Wellesley. It would be un-
just to that Noble Marquis, if he did not 'lay the measures of ge-
neral conciliation already taken under his administration were
calculated to produce the happiest results. Ile did not speak
with reference to the Cothubc question, but the determination
that Noble Lord had shewn to administer the laws free from
odious and party distinction. • The Noble Marquis had resolved
to put down all who opposed the law, whatever they might be.
If his voice could be heard over Ireland, he would tell the people
that upon every question respecting Ireland, discussed in that
Assembly, there was always a feeling in favour of Ireland. If
the Country Gentlemen would do their duty, he had no doubt
they might make Ireland afford a cordial support to this country.
Toe Tithe system, the Police, and Magistracy, were said to be
the grounds of the present evils. 'the collection of tithes was the
greatest of all difficulties. No one had said they had the least
right to meddle with the property of the Clergy, and he for one
would feel the greatest repugnance to interfere with that pro-
perty. His opinion was, that the Clergy of that country were
not adequately provided for. The outcry against that body was
unjust. The landlords in the south and west of Ireland found it
their interest to exact the highest rent. In some instances land
was let at ten pounds per acre. The occupier, unable to pay his
landlord. had frequently but little for the Clergyman, who, in
such cases, got nothing without severity; but, in general, the
Clergy were forbearing. In a political and economical view,
large incomes might as well be in the hands of the Clergy as the
Laity. !Nudes of collecting tithes might be devised, by which
the proprietor sod Clergyman could agree upon a certain sum
being paid for years, without calling upon the occupier. The
payment of a seam might be hied upom the land for a number of
year.. The occepiers in general were Catholics, and by the plan
he proposed, disputes would not so often occur between the
Clergy and Catholics. The landlords were in general Protest-
wits, and disputes would arise between the Clergyman and land-
lord, without any difference of proceeding from religious.preju-
dice. With respect to the Magistrates and education in Ireland,
these subjects had already occupied the serious attention of his
Majesty's Government. Upon the whole be was obliged to
oppose the motion; and the Right lion. Gentleman concluded
by saying, he had thought it necessary to give some counterpart
to the evidence of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman.
Mr. GRATTAN supported the observations of his Right
lion. and Learned Friend, whose knowledge of the state of Ire-
land made him competent to ,point out all the bearings of the
question under consideration. 'lke Hon. Member recuminended
uraninsity in Ireland, and expressed a hope that he should see
the day when Protestants and Catholics would be firmly united
under the same laws and government.
Mr. PEEL said, he should abstain from all consideration of
the Catholic Question. He thought the Right Hon. hiaroret
had acted wisely in excluding it from his Address. When his
Right lion. Friend, in the course of the ensuing Session should
submit the great creation, it would be his duty to oppose a firm
resistance, but till that period arrived he should consult his own
interest by avoiding any observation on the subject. The Right
Boaourable Baronet wished to pledge the House to any mea-
sures which his Majesty's Government might sanction, but
no explanation was given as to the means of promoting inquiry
into the Police and other topics contained in the Address.—
On the other hand, there was the promise of the Government
that all measures should be taken fur the welfare of Ireland.
Could the House expect anything more? Could they thick it
possible that Government, which had only been in office three
eaonths,with all their time occupied in providing for the security
of lives and property, were at that moment prepared to submit
any specific measure on all the points enumerated by the Right
lion. Baronet? At the same time he could assure the House
the Government were sincere in their inquiry into the causes of
the disturbances and the means of remedy. He could appeal to
the Right Hon. Baronet, whether the Government of Ireland
bad not already done much for the benefit of the country ? The
mode of appointing Sheriffs had been assimilated to the mode in
Erglar.d. The power of Juries to impose local taxation had been
regulated. All had been done that they could do to remedy the
Pollee, and constant efforts were making to correct the laws. lie
was convinced that Ireland, governed by the laws which regulated
En gland,would b e able to correct abuses without insurrection laws.
He admitted the statement of his Right lion. Friend respecting
the Clergy of Ireland, but could not see how any measure of
commutation with respect to tithes could be provided. The
difficulties in the way of such a measure appeared insurmountable.
lie, however, intreated the Mouse to rest satisfied, that this tub-
ject would occupy the attention of the Irish Government, and
that it would do more than the Right Hon. Baronet would gain
by the Address, which went to no specific object.
Sir H. PARNELL supported the Address, and contended that
some proposition ought to be adopted for the regulation of tithes.
Sir J. NEWPORT, in reply, said, after the assurances re-
ceived from the Hight I'. sourable Secretary, and his Right
Honourable Friend, he should feel it unwise to press his mo.
don further. He should be satisfied with having it upon
the Journals of the House, and it would hereafter appear
that the affairs of Ireland had occupied the wisdom of Pars
Lament. He disclaimed any intention to cast any imputation
on the Government of Ireland. He had the highest confidence
in the Noble Marquis at the head of that Government.
The motion was then put and negatived without a division.
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE-
QUER, the House resolved to adjourn at the rising to Wed-
nesday next.
The Summary Proceedings Bill was read the third time and
pained. •
The Warrants of Attorney BM was read the second time, and
committed for Wednesday.
A Petition was presented from George Gordon Lord Byron,
praying to be beard by his Agents against an Inclosure
Ordered to lie on the table.
Dr. MILLI MORE postponed the second reading of the
Marriage Act Amendment Ilill from Friday next to Friday the
id of May. He did this because he was unwilling that it should
stand in the way of the discussion on the Agricultural Distress,
lied had no intention of • g it beyond the day named.
The ether Orders of the Day were disposed of, and the House
adjourned at One o'Clock, to Wednesday.