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sure. (Laughter, and cries of No, no.) Rich was his
opinion, and he bad a right to declare it as a simple member
of that house. (Immense laughter, In which the icr meert
in the gallery joined most heartily.) Such was the s: tte of
public feeling, inflamed by the vile press. tbat the noble
lords who bad voted against the unconstitutional measure
would not be safe from the fury of • blaody.minded mete.
Mr. HUMS was astonished to bear those hon. members
who complained of the outrages out of doors taking such
pains to inflame the public mind. (Cheering.) Could
they stand up and auert that there wet a re-action? 11l
would ask thins when was there a time that the tradesmen of
London, on any occasion, had so generally shut up their
aerie ? (Civets.) The people bad heel orderly so fer, that
not any mischief had been done till the day was far ape it.—
(Cries of Lord lenndonderry, Muquis of Bristol, Mike of
Newcastle.) Well, he knew of all these, but he could not
see how ministers were to be blamed for their occurrence
They had all of them seen mobs before the people to-d iy
had gone to St James's, but he could vouch for the f :et
that they were strictly orderly, and he could anticipa.e
what might he the consequences of sus h epithets bei-g up.
plied to them as he had heard applied in the House t at
night. Had he been one of the mob, and called a blow!:.
minded fellow, he was sure it would hare roused his feel-
ings beyond endurance. Such outrages must always I e
pected in a mob, for in a number so v; s there were cet
to be a few individuals who would seek opportunities to re.
Soft to violence ; but he thought it hard that for the sake
of these few individuals, the whole people should be
signated bloody-minded He regretted th a any ate nape h
been made by noble lords to explain away the phrase faction
that bad been applied to the peers wl ',rad thrown out the
bill; he thought that faction was a very fitta; phrase, as it
had been an attempt to attain a selfish purpose. lie re-
gretted as much as any one that disturbances ahoulf have
occurred, and he would wish the whole people to understand,
that they were their enemies who promulgated them. It
wu the only means of triumph left for the eremite to the
measure of Reform, to promote the spirit of outrage. He
could have wished that there had cot been a window broken ;
but he did not see the cause of apprehension that w..s re.
presented to be (tired from the trillinedisturbance a th t had
taken Laughter and cries from the Opposaion.)
The hoe. mem made some pointed allusions to the gre t
passion which the !earned gentleman (Sir C. Wetherell) had
thrown himself into on the subject. An hon. member on
the opposition side had said that it was not any gentleman
on his side who had caused the disturbance, but charged it
to those who had brought In the MIL He (Mr. Hume) dir-
fered with him on that head. The nature of the bill was to
restore to the people their rights, and of course that was not
likely to promote disturbances among the people—he would
rather look for the cause from them who refused to sur-
render to the people their rights. The word faction
was the only term that could be sm.'• a to the attempt,
sod a miserable faction it was—it was absurd to think
the whisper of that faction could be opposed to the just de-
mands of a whole nation. lie regretted much that the
noble Lords should have taken the trouble to soften the
phrase by explanation. The learned gentleman had said
that Aliiiisters bad not the coefide.tee of the country, he
(Mr. H) wondered the, who weal I II:v: the cm.fidence of
the country. He cculd tell the learned gentleman that he
need not cap ct shit confidence to be par d In his fries el-,
for ie the present state of public feeling they would not dare
to show their faces oat of doors.—(Cheers.) Let them
look at those who opposed the Bill, even in that House,
1 where they could not say it was a fair representation of the
people. (Cries of yes, r.s it is.) Ide ny it. a-det h
for there are Thirty of eta Members seat here by 1' e,.,
and it is to get rid of that, that we are itruOin,:. He
had always found the people reasonable when they were
reasoned with, and to call the people Woody-mil dd. he
feared, might so provoke them as to lead to dreatlfel con.
sequences. He very much regret% el ,he measles n stew
the peers had taken of the measure, and he was anxiods to
convince them that the people were still b. n upon the re.
form. It was no fit jury to try a cause by men who, wise
brought into the jury-box, had an interest in the e..use. He
did not mean to infer any thing t'erogatory to the power of
the peers. Unfortunately, the law g..ve them .hat power in
this instance ; but he must say that. interested as they were,
they were disqualified to try the celiac ( ear.) Tire struggle,
he said, was an unequal one, but it was not to be supposed
that the voices of a few individuals could log withstand ,lie
opposite voices of twenty millions. Ile et uld not see w,,y
the Government should be taxed with tecitness. Ween h re
was destruction of a serious nature going forward--alien
stack-yards were being hum., theme were no dirges
brought against the then existing Governmmt—lliat was not
to be minded—Ann now a charge was brought, became. there
had been burnt an old ('astir belonging to the Duke of
Newcastle, a place which bad been occupied merely as a
lodging-bona. He would wish that the people stipule! re.
(rain Aro= all violence, and, having the Government with
them, have the pride to say, that they had triumphed over
their enemies withcut having had recourse to outrage. He
bestowed an ample eulogy on the co.oluct of at imstets, in
their precarious situation, and reprobated the suggestieeti of
the Hun. Member to act upon the principal of the procla-
mations. He Raid it would amount to ruling by the sword,
and he believed, that if his party did get into office, they
would be ruled by the sword.—(Hear, hear, heir) He re.
gyrated very much the disturbances that had wearied. but
still he considered himself bout I to defend the character of
the people of Rnghu.d, who were behaving themselves so
well, under the circumstances.

Mr. TREVOR wee to exrlain. 11, complained that the
hon. member who had just ast th wn had tw sted his words,
—he bad not laud the people of England ; but he Lid said
that, invtigated by an inflammatory press, the piers were
exposed to danger from a bloody mm led moh—it was the
mob, he said, and not the people; and it the honeur.ble
member had witnessed ea much as he had done that very day
at the very gate of the palace of his Majesty, he would have
been of the same opinion—if Le had beard t::e erre% of
" Murder him," " Cut his throat," and similar exprersirms
that were uttered, he would have been Lf the same opinion
that he had expressed, and which opinion he was ready to
stand to even to death.

Mr. C. GRANT deprecated the language that had hero
resorted to in the heat of debate, and censured the imputa-
tion that had been thrown out against individuals high in
°Mee of Government. He was astonished at the indiscreet
part that had been taken by the learned gent. (Sir C. We.
theta) in the debate ; he could scarcely have believed he
could have uttered insinuations so gross. (Hear, hear.)
The honourable member concluded with, in an imprtmeitse
manner, conjuring them, fur the sake t f the peace and
welfare of the country, to close the discussion, and he sin-
cerely hoped that the patriotism of the House tit Centitions
would readily accede to his purpose.
Mr. HVNT said, that notwithstanding the grave ado cei
nation of the hon. gentleman, it was imp issibk for him, a.
a member of that house, or any other that had the weitorc
of his country at heart to sit still. The hon. member Uen
went into a long detail of the wrongs of Lord Lomok!, try,
which he lamented, sod, as we understodd, blamed the Go.
vernment for permitting. He said the boo. intinbcr or
Middlesex had designated that an accident, and, said hd
(Mr. Hunt) was it to be suffered to go out to vie e ititry
that that attack had been an aceiduit. lie contended tout
the attack upon the reply of Lord J. Russell by Sir C. We-
therell was justifiable, and said that the right hon. gentleman
who had marled the other hon. member with pervatiag
facts, bad himself perverted facts, for toe address to
which Lord J. Russell had replied had been actually an ad.
dress from the Birmingham Union, and the Committees of
all the Unions from the surrounding place. The hon.
member related, as we understood him, in pouf of the con-
nivance of Government in the daturlUnt es, that the meet.
logs had not been in erfered with, although the meeting
which he had presided over at Nlancliater had been inter-
fertd with, which was equally legal, and on which occasion
' there was fourteen persons killed, and a great many more
sous wounded. The lion, member here at great length went
into his long and threadbare narration about Alenchestet and
himself. He next commenced reviling the press in mimes-
aural terms, which he said had been urging the people to out.
rage, and upbraided the government with not taking measures
for its restraint. He said, the press bad been iustigating the
people to strike in the face those members who bad opp•ed
the bill with a Latin quotation. (A laugh, and cites of
quote.) Sonic ton. members had cried quote on !Let vide—he
could not say that he was prepared to quote the passage—
but he could tell those honourable member 4 that lie Mod for-
Eaten more Latin than they had ever learn, d. (A laugh.)
The House might laugh, hut he could assure OCRs dud he
had had a very good education, although tie was lOK a hie.
racy character. (Great laughter)..-and did out choose to
expose his iipioranee by attempting to quote Latin. khe
honourable member thin returottl iti the attack on the press,
which he complained ui tot hating represented him as being
an enemy to the UHL lie next reiterated his assertians, that
the Reform Bill would not satisfy the pi ople ,_. but il..it t' e
people wen against it. He adduced as a proof his rep.tt ion
of bis having presided at a meeting highly reepeet.ble (at
the Rotunda, we believe), wheie of 201/0 only Mtn held up
their hands fur an expretsion of confidence in ministers, and
all the others bad held up their hands against than.—