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of conitxt which I am pursulog is oat) that is cattsti-'
tutional and proper,. and the only one which can be
followed with interest or advantage to the country,
1 shall certainly persist in it, though the one which
the Noble Lord has pointed out would no doubt be
more advantageous to himself ; and when the Noble
Lord pointed out the line of conduct which he con-
ceived proper for me, I believe he rather expressed
his own opinion than the course which the country
would expect or wish me to follow.
Lord CASTLEREAGH—Whenever the Hon.
Gentleman• thinks he has sufficient grounds for insti-
tuting a motion for censure of me, I believe this is a
duty which he will not fail to discharge; and so
long as I see no notice to that purpose entered on
the hook, I shall feel satisfied that there is no ground
in the Hon. Gentleman's mind to warrant him in
such a course. Will the House listen to the Hon.
Gentleman's propoAll for withhol ling the Supplies
and weakening the hands of Government, on grounds
which the Him. Member will ifot bring forward on

the it own merits ?
Sir JOHN NEWPORT—I !'st.l a right when I
dissented tiom my Hon. Friend ( Mr. Whitbread) no
a late-occasion, to consider that there was still an al-
ternative left=that war was nut then determined on ;
and I now find nut that I am duped by the Noble
Lord—(Hear, hear,) —mid that to the Noble Lord 1
ought not to have given credence, for the question
which L: told me was pending, was actually deter-
mined. 'Me Noble Lord tells us now that the Treaty
with some substantial inaccuracies, is correct. He
gives us in his usual way an answer, and a qualified
answer, so as to put it out of our power even to fix
any precise opinion on him. But that night the No-
ble Lord told us expressly that there was no decision,
and that when the decision was already taken. He
now said that we ought not to refuse the supplies
which were given for an alternative, but which alter-
native did not exist. I cannot very well conceive
what the Noble Lord means by using the words not
shrinking from responsibility, because he is certainly
shrinking from responsibility if he does not give in
this document. When will the Noble 'Lord give it
to us ? When it will be too late Or us to save the
country from destruction—from a renewal of a war
which has sunk our finances to the state in which
they now ate, which has ground to the dust every
class of the community. Then the Noble Lord will
give it when it is tooiate. As to the boasted respon-
sibility of the Noble Lord at such a period, it would
'be nothing worth. What compensation would it be
then to the country. evert if we were to follow the
N ible Lord to the block ? Before war is deg mined
on the House ought to have an opportunity of inter-
posing their advice. The course of my I7•%itourable
Friend is regular and constitutional. W:i ~• Parlia-
ment has not sufficient documents to coal:- 't to form
a judgioent, it is the oily legal method preventing
an abuse of power. When one sees Moist: mating
in a double sense, with the public—wheo we see our-
salves on the point of a renewal of t' calamities
v.Thich Were brought on us by the war tit MO, and
involved again by the very same acts which were
ti.e.n practised ; a war which has reduced every man's
iaconie to a third of its value, and theft we arc told of
the responsibility of Miniitev, it is impossible to pre-
serve our tempers. Sir, I scorn suet a responsibility
—(H.ar, hoer.) My Honourable 1.'7-lend (Mr. Whit-
bread) whom the Nobie Lord !:.is thought fit to ad-
vise, sat in this House. ktinitely longer than the
Noble Lord iiiwself, an,l has done the duty of
lie country, unpaid, unsalaried and unstipended, and
the love and gratitude of his country will follow him
—(Hear, hear, hear.)
Lord C A STLE EA G H.--A s to the eulogy
rouounced by the Right Hon. Baronet on his friend,.
it is one in which I am by no means disposed to con-
cur. The Right Hon. Baronet has proceeded in a
manner which is certainly calculated to be pair ul to
the feelings of the person to whom he is oppose.l. 1
conceive that it is not incor."stent to strengthen the
hands of the Crown, and at the same time give it
good advice. If there is an impression on tie mind
of any Hon. Member, that a certain course .s io the
contemplation of his Majesty's Ministers, it is opal t
him to move the House to give advice to the Crown
on the subject ; and, therefore, to obstruct the sup-1
plies r:Alter than offer advice to the Crown, is not in
any sense necessary. With respect to the line of
conduct which his Majesty's Ministers have pursued,
I deny peremptorily that there has been any delusion
whatever. (Laugh fiom the Opposition.) I should
have trespassed in the line of duty which I ought to
have pursued had I thrown myself then on the House,
and said that war was either taken or not taken. I
gave no opinion to the House on the probability
of either peace or war. I merely stated that we were
placed in such a case of exigency as ought to induce
as to strengthko the hands of Government for either
war or peace, and respecting which Ministers would
afterwards come to Parliament. The Right Hon.
Baronet says that there was then no alternative.—
What the probability of war was, I left to the House
to collect. I said that the principle on which his Ma-
jesty's Ministers placed the general system of war or
peace, would be mainly influenced by the general
feeling. of the powers with whom we act—and how-
ever highly the Right Hon. Baronet may feel him-
self warrapted in concluding from the document that
there is no alternative, we ought not to conclude that
an instrument adopted under one course of circum-
stances, is to be conclusive under circumstances of a
-different desciiption.
Mr. WHITBREAD.—I wish to say one word
.more. A single ray oflight has broken in upon us
.from the speech of the Noble Lord. The Noble Lord
etas said, that when he sees no notice on the book, he
shall always conclude that I have no grounds for
:censure. I may have sufficient grounds for censure,
.'iut I have also sufficient experience of Parliament to
know what the influence of. the Crown is.-,-The
Noble Lord knew well enough what the Crown had
,been to him—the'country would, have to feel what he
had been to the Crown. (Hear, hear, hear.)
Mr. METHUEN believed die Noble Lord posies.
sed the confidence 'of the country, which remained
yet unshaken.' He hid his entire confidence.
. Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH—I cannot follow
the Honourable Gentleman who spoke last, in 'be-
stowing 'my approbation alike under any circuits-
stances, without any exception, and without any
guard—Wear, Aser.)!—Here heig to be understood
as differing from him. I agree in the poSition that
alt he iris and hands should be united on an occasion
like the present; but then .our hearts and hqnsia