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r which he had quoted; but he thought extreme dui.
ger was to be apprehended from an Association of
this description. Having spoken thus nnsch in es.
planation of the constitution of Orange Chili-, Ise
proceeded to the consideration of the consequences
which had resulted from them to Ireland, and of the
effects which might yet be expected. About ores ,
fifth of the population of Ireland consistedasf Protest.
ants; a large proportion of the inhabitants were Ro-
man Catholics; so that when the•lrish people were
spoken of generally, they must be described as Ca;
that. The Protestants enjoyed an almost exclusive
monopoly of nearly all the offices of the State, many
of which they filled in the most meritorious manner.
The Catholics had no• Church establishment of theii
own ; their Priests wet e dependant for support on the
casual bounty of their followers ; and above all, there
was a total absence of that link to connect the higher '
and the lower classes, the most important link in the
chain of society, a wealthy independent middle
class of men. When the population of a country wee
divided like that Of Ireland, by religious d,fferenees--:.
from the moment the Government abandoned
system of ruling by an unmixed despotism—from the
moment the principles of liberty began to be under-
stood, and a free press had furnished the means for
diffusing knowledge, from that moment a state of
things arose which it required the greatest wisdom
and the greatest temper to controut and direct. It
was especially necessary to guard against private ,
piques, and it therefore behoved the higher classes
to set an example of moderation and forbearance.
(fler:r).—He disapproved of the Orange institu-
:loss, because they were exclusive in their character.
A man known to be of good moral character, and
most ardently and since; ely attached to the interests
of his country, was excluded from this Society, if it
were formed for any gout purpo a., because lie was
not a E'.otestant. The rules of the Association pro-
vided, that every year there should be a celebration
of the victory obtained by King William over King
James at the Boyne. Now, it this ctlehration took
place in a country where the inha'nrants wet e %%holly
Prc testants there could be no oisjsctierr to it.
,Bat
when they reflected that such a celebration ir ti,t net
only recal the triumph of those who were ti c
rity in Is elatid, hut also the 1111.mill:1:ion of th .sr who
formed the majority, the effect must be injurietu
from the irritation thus constantly kept alive. These
celebrations, he contended, were most fatal to the -
peace of Ireland ; stud they had been known hut too
frequently to terminate in bloodthed. The Prsaestant
e Ito desired to be distinguished for his lot shy, ought
to endeavOur by his conduct and example to make
others contented and loyal. But did the Orange As-
sociation do this? Were the Catholics if Ireland
likely to be made more loyal by the annual ptoces.
sions in commemoration of the defeat of King James
at the Boyne? Could this be effected by reminding
them that that day had witnesstd the triumph of t!.e
Protestants, and the humiliation of the Catholics,
the proof of which was to be found in the name of
the family now on the 1 hrone? Was this the Day to
secure their loyalty ? If it went forth that a laree
body of Protestants, say from 1.50 to '200,000 men,
were connected by oaths of secrecy, he should be
glad to know why a like number of Catholics might
not be connected in the same way? Was it to be
answered, because the former were loyal, and the .
latter disloyal? Ile thought the Hon c would le
slow to make a distinction so frightful and appal-
ling. If none but the Members of the Protestant
Church, separating from it the Presbyterians and
the Unitarians, were to he deemed well affected
to the Government, within alas narrow limits
would they compress the- loyalty of the coun-
try ? Another subject was worthy of vernal k; he
alluded to the Yeomanry of Ireland. The larger
proportion of the Yeomanry were Orangemen.—
If, unfortunately, the Yeomanry should be called in
to aid the Civil P.swer, what might not be appre-
hended from the patty feeling known to exist-? He
would put the case of a Catholic brought to trial, the
Magistrate, the Sheriff, the Pannel, and the Judge
being all of the Orange party. He did not say that
they would forget their oaths, that the Jury' would
find the innocent guilty, or that the Judge would
pass a severer sentence than theoffence proved might
demand, but he would ask, if such a circumstance
would not be most unfortunate?—(Hear, hear).--He
would ask if it were not likely that the individual
might be considered to suffer from patty feeling, and.
if this would not detract materially tions the weight
and authority which ought to belong to the admi- •
ministration of the law?—(Hear).—The Huse would
recollect a discussion which took place in the year
1813, on the introduction of Orange Clubs into this
country. The ,Right Hon. Gentleman opposite had
then disapproved of them, but considered them too
insignificant to make it necessary to put them down,
as, by treating them with contempt, they would fall
of themselves. If such were his opinion of Orange
Clubs in England, on what grounds could it be con-
tended that they were beneficial to Ireland? Vote in
whatever way he might on the present motion, he
could not but expect the benefit of the Right Hon.
Gentleman's. eloquence in the course of the debate;
as, with all his ingenuity, he did not think him capa-
ble of contending that that which was bad for one
country could be good for the other. He had been
told that, in consequence of the promulgation of - his
Majesty's wish that a system of general conciliation
should be acted upon is Ireland, a great increase ia
the numbers of the Orange Clubs had taken place
hear).—lf this were true, what did it mean,
but that numbers of persons had enrolled their names
in that Association for the purpose of op-
declared wish of the King and his Par
It had been said in former times, aid he

some cases it was nearly the riutfi, that
Lieutenant of Ireland acted not under ,the

of the King, but under the itsikence.of
Clubs at Dublin—(Hear, hear).—lf this wi
the inference which he should draw frot
be, that the jealous sentiment which I.i
Lord Fitzwilliam, and removed that ami

man, Lord Cornwallis, with every-species
tumely and reproach, was the compressed
the Orange Association. When Mr. Yitt ,
Union in that House, the'great advantage
held out as likely to result from it was, tt,
secure to the country an impartial Legislature,
ing aloof from all local and party conneiti-
was such a Legislature that could alone -
grievances of which -Ireland fiad at
plain. He had hitherto abstaiacd. lien;

calepoint-,thetic
stitution. Whoevel
pf'the'la'elKing, t+
from tF
the occasion of a I
belonged to an a
incioa+le of givit
oath he had take:
oath. he would b
to commit perjury
King's Bench, upo
had been given th
which had been m
so, for if such a pr
spected, it would b
Should an individt
which had been irr
holding himself bo
oath (for unlawful
ditty to keep to
Court and trample
an opinion having I
it had been unpard
omitted bringing-it
such oaths were u
covered now for t
been unlawful fron.
been made to put
such oaths were a,
he wished to sobmi
Addtess to the Cu'
ciety founded on e:
ciples. He wi-..het.
H00.,e would sv.alr
'night he bi ought I
country with tc•pet
proposition he intcn
be a great benefit to
rid of the Orange CI
with in the fit st ins
of the 0011 n of
suggesting this he
that should be inju
Without their sui.r
could stand. Ile.
proposed would bi
Ile, therefore, wish
tapprobatiou of the
see it put down, le;
with into effect we:
tints of tranquillity
trould te'td to act!
for England, but
Nothing would be:
calculated to attrac
orders which so fie
as no capitalists wet
there, who could li
absentees now so SI
by the change whit
possible that .t lard
yerty of Ireland sit
of absentee..., while
sent state. Ilk pu
great obs-acle to t
opinion of that Hot
to tell him that it
vernment to put
said to pot down,
meant, that if the (
subject—( eers)—
cicties, they would
and obedient subjr
If the Government
approved of these
supported as they s
them believed that
-vefnment ; and thil
.an imrotation upon
House to consider
doubt a MeASIIIC

ble—was a measnr
himself, upon its ti
Vslattire adopted t
and theoretical gm
should grow up, an
it Was least expect,
'tried upon specula
upon the argumei
could advance as t
would they then b
improved the con<
mass of its people
these processions a
np dissentions and
for these reasons LI
lowing Address to
" That an humble
stating that his faithful
of those dissentions by
agitated and convulsed
the formation of Soeiet
tutional principles, beg
Cordial zeal and co,nci
aaipportirig the-law, ano
pying an its privileges
ciliation and soppressit
presence and adnionitit
Mr. GOULBU
. }louse under such
.on; not anxiety
in avowing the vie
Subject of the•moti
upon the time at
and upon the irrit
send)! distracted It
of this debate expr
duced, calculated
of that country to
it would be the di
anent or oat of it,
avoid. Upon this
the motion had be
Invent. Re had all
the manner in wt
part of the Irish G
be feared that som
bate would intro&
• Most desirable and
that the Honourab
have yielded to
his Right Hon. Fri,
`the subject came r
had been.the cond
'egard to those tra
happisiess of Hay ii

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abstained from tbo

•

ent MOLitin, :3G"
the Right 11,41.
of the debate;
think him ca,pa-
as had for one
He had been .
lulgation of his
eral conciliation
treat increase in
ad taken place
hat did it mean,
lied their names
of opposing the
S Pat liament.--
he believed in
, that the Lord -
ler she authority -
e.of ;he Orange'
his were proved,
6+ from it would
:h had recalled
amiable Noble.
-species of cow
pressed spirit Of
'itt proposed de
,stage wbich,be
as, that-it weisdi
!gisl attire, nand'
conneltionio
lone redress
present eft ems
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