Star.
London, England, 1822-05-25 00:00:00

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ina ordered to be printed.
A Message from the Lords announced their
to certain Bills.
Mr. BENNET moved the Order of the Day for
reading of the Alehouse License BBL
....After a lew words from General Gascores. the Big
a second time, and ordered Lobe referred to a Speciair
Mr. BERNAL presented a Petition from a Brewer
cheater, who stated that all his property was embarked in his
brewery, praying that the House would not pass any Bill affect
ing his interests.
Mr. F. PALMER said there was, he believed, not one free
house in the city of Rochester.
After a few• words from Mr. &mum and Mr. Batts, the
Petition was referred to the Committee on the said Biu.. •
Mr. BF.RNAL presented two other Petitions Prom bald..
duals against the Bill.—Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. LUSHINGTON also presented P,tition. dim a
Brewer against the Bill.—Ordered to lie on'the table.
The Recognizance Bill was recommitted on the motion of
Mr. N. Csi.vsar.—Report to be considered this day se'snight.
Mr. GOULBURN gave notice, that on the 6th of June hie
should submit a motion to the House respecting the present Law

a Irish Tithes.
Mr. C HETWY ND moved the third reading of the Vagrant
law Amendment Bill.
• After a few words from Mr. GIORGI LAM. the motion was
agreed to and. Mr. G. Luis brought up a clause to regulate
the Ell as it regarded Players, which clause was agreed to, and
added to the Bill. The Bill was then passed.
Mr. CU ItTEIS presented two Petitions from certain Owners
and Occupiers of Land, in the county of Sussex, complaining of
Agricultural Distress, and praying for relief—Ordered to lie
on the table.
Sir T. LETHBRIDGE presented two Petitions from Owners
and Occupiers of Land.in the counties of Oxford and Gloucester,
stating that the law about to be passed for the alleged relief of
the Agricultural Interest, would afford it no assistance whatever.
He called upon the Noble Marquis and the Government to
pause before they passed a measure which was against the gene-
ral feelings of the country.
General GASCOYNE begged to be Informed by the Noble
Marquis whether he intended to bring forward the measure
alluded to by the Honourable Baronet, in the course of the pre-
sent evening
'I be Marquis of LONDONDERRY said he certainly should
bring it forward, unless there should be a discussion of some
length upon some Resolutions to be proposed by a Right Ho-
pourable Friend of his.
After a few words from Mr. Ceavera aid Mr. Crams, the
Petitions were ordered to lie ou the table.
LICENSING SYSTEM.
Mr. GREY BENNET presented a Petition from
certain Licensed Victuallers, in favour of the Bill al-
tering the system of licensing public-houses.
On the question being put that the Petition be
brought up,
Mr. CAREW said that, whatever objections he
had to many clauses of the Bill, he would not oppose
its going to the Committee.
Mr. BERNAL said, that he would have many Pe-
titions to present against the Bill. There were many
brewers holders of free public-houses, whose property
would he injured by the proposed alteration in the
mode of p. 11161114 licenses.
Mr. Aide' man SMITH opposed the measure.
Mr. LIT TLETON recommended that a clause
should be introduced to encourage the sale of beer of
a diminished strength.
Colonel FRENCH thought that a preference of
monopoly had been given to the London brewers for
too long a period.
Mr. MARRYATT admitted that the Bill would
affect the vested interests of many brewers.
Mr. HUNIE said, that lie could see no reason why
the trade in beer should not be thrown open to pub-
lic competition. It was full time to break down the
monopoly of the brewers.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, that it always appeared
to him a matter of much difficulty to snake a change
in the system of licensing public-houses. But the
monopoly should be gradually broken down, without
outraging public opinion on the one hand, or injuring
individual property on the other. A great deal had
been said of the injury likely to be created by enlarging
the number of public-houses, but he could see no
reason why tippling should be increased by doing so,
than that multiplying the mugs or glasses on the
tables would double the number of dram-drinkers—
(A laugh). He had no objection to accede to the pro-
position of at once throwing open the retail trade in
beer. There was a manifest inconsistency in the pre-
sent law. He thought that every man ought to be
allowed to buy his pot of beer as well as his loaf of
lucid where he pleased, and at the price he pleased. ,
Mr. G. BENNET wished to state what were his
views with regard to the Bill. If the House would
not refuse that it should be read a second time this
evening, he would afterwards have it referred to a
Committee up stairs, and there such alterations might
be made, as the Committee thought necessary. Ile
admitted there were many difficulties in the-final ar-
rangement of this measure. The monopoly of the
brewers had grown to such an extent that it was
'producing
to invade the property of the trade without
*producing a still greater evil than at present exists ;
indeed the evil had risen to such a height that he
entertained no rational hope of completely removing
it; but he wished it to be understood, however,thongh
it was difficult for Parliament to devise any effectual
measure, that the Magistrates had the remedy en-
.tirely in their own hands, if they only put, into exe-
cution the powers with which they were invested. In
Wiltshire, where the Magistrates had done their duty,
evil was completely corrected; and he would
.mate, for the information of those Magistrates in,
.other counties who have neglected this part of their
„duty, how the Magistrates of Wiltshire had removed
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. evil. Whenever they perceived a monopoly grow.
Isig up, and the brewers getting into the possession
olthe public-houses, that moment they opened a new
.4buse in opposition, which at once operated as a tor-
ctive of the monopoly. The consequence of this
iiiirKinct on the part of the Magistrates has been, that
Aytite evils which were felt elsewhere, did not exist at
-lan in Wiltshire. In order to give the House some
An of the great monopoly which the brewers had
ti ihi's .tiade,:he would state to the House some of
• 4hose•districts over which the brewers had a complete
controul. In those districts it was not one public-
liortse, O. two, .which were in .their possession, but
.
itgarli all,. and
. .Cnoqueittly one unwholesome mix-
surewas.impaed upon the inhabitants of those places.
In Portsmouth there were93l public-houses, of which
' 26S were in the possession of the brewers and Magis-
trates. He did not complain generally that public-
houses should be in the possession of Magistrates, but
In large towns,
such as Portsmouthoheleading Ma-
gistrates were in general either brewers themselves,
or were in some way connected with the trade, and
in such cases a Monopoly in their hands was prejudi-1
'vial to the Public. In Portsmouth there wereonly 29
public-houses free; the rest were in the possession of
the spirit trade. to King's Lynn, in the County of

congestion
In thoie Con Odes where there were pm' bi eweries,
there was also a monopoly ; ior 'there the inahster
stepped in and enjoyed the sartk fttdnopoly the public
brewer did in the other instance: In theneighbour-
hood of London there were 180 public-houses, all' of
which were in the hands of the brewer.' except lg.
'ln the eighteen districts which were under the Excise,
there were 8,8.59 public-hosses in the possession of
the brewers. Thus. they had-a proportion of five to
one of all the public•housesin these districts in their
hinds. • This was a great grievance whkh reqnired
an effective remedy. He proposed to five a greater
freedom of .the trade, as a remedy Idiely to remove
the evil; but, from.the opposition of Ark.hrewers he
found himself obliged to give up that clause. ilre.
brewers were no small persons ; next to the opposi-
tion of Government none was mere formidable than
that of the brewers. If he were to persist, he could
expect little support from Government, and perhaps
not much at his own side of the House except from
the Hon. Member for Montrose and a few other!.
His intention was, that after the second reading of
the Bill, it should be referred to a Committee, which
could strike out that clause compelling Alagistrates
to grant licenses. This he cdnsented to do, in the
hope that the excellent measure of his Hon. and
Learned Friend (Mr. Brougham) would be carried
into effect. His Bill would then compass only two
instead of three objects; first to pet snore discipline
in the trade, and, secondly, to give se:urity to the
property of the publican, for which there was none
according to the ptesent system. The Hon. Gen-
tleman concluded by moving that the Petition be
laid on the table.
Mr. HUME said that, in Scotland, there were no
restrictions to the number of alehouses, and no evil
was known to arise from the multiplication of them.
It was attended with this advantage, that the ale was
always cheap and good. He was persuaded, if the
same practice was introduced into England, it would
be attended with the same advantage as in Scotland.
Mr. F. PALMER said if his Hon. Friend withdrew
the .clause compelling Magistrates to grant licenses,
he might as well withdraw the Bill altogether.
The Petition was laid on the table, and ordered to
be printed..

THE BOWDITCHES.
Mr. HOBHOUSE presented a Petition from Messrs.
Bowditch;complaining of the hardships to which they
had been subjected by the proceedings instituted
against them in the matter of Maria Glenn; and in
presenting the Petition, commented in strong terms
on the conduct of Mr. Justice Best, and the language
used by that Learned Judge in refusing the applica-
tion of the petitioners for a new trial.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY was ready to I
admit that the Hon. Meniber had done no more than
his duty in bringing forward this Petition ; but he
would put it to the Hon. Gentleman's. own mind to
say, whether he bad not gone beyond his duty in his
comments on the Learned Judge (Best) to whom he
had alluded ?

Mr. HOBHOUSE said he intended no imputation
of corrupt motives to Mr. Justice Best: he had only
said what he had done to sheerthe Learned Judge
that he was, like other men, fallible. •
Mr. C..WYNN thought the Hon. Member ought
to havegiven nofice to Mr. Justice Best of his inten-
tion to bring forward this charge against him.
Mr. HOBHOUSE again replied, that he brought
no charge against Mr. Justice Best, but that of being,
like other mortals, liable to err; and that the Court
bad shewn itself so in this case by discharging Mary
Whitby, who had been convicted of perjury, and had
been the cause of the Bowditches sufferings.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said, that Mary
Whitby was discharged with the consent of the pro-
secutors' Counsel.

After some further conversation, the Petition was
received, and ordered to be printed.

,absequettly read by detylit
making the quarterly payments and receiving the
dividends of theannuity would be vested, from the
sth April, 1822, in trustees• to he named by railia-
mint, and the whole would be conducted with as
small a charge: for management its possible—an ad-
vantage whichivonld reiult from the appointment of
trustees. The'stsm of 2,8009001. had been assumed.
as the proper amount of annuity, although perhaps it
might have been smaller if contracted for by any
private body, suppOsing the rate of interest to be,
little more than three and a half per cent. In making
ifie contract on the part of the Public, it was not ne.
iesiary to be particular as to the precise sum, al-
tholigh •his Noble Friend (the Marquis of London.,
deity), in stating the general plan to the House, had
very properly assumed a particular price. The cal-
culation had been made upon the Three per Cent..
Consols, being at the supposed price of 821. But
taking them at 751. the amount would be 2,862,8001
about 62,0001. more than the sum proposed in the
original statement. With the rate of interest at four
and a quarter per cent. at which it was fair to assume
it, with reference to the late great financial operation,
the sum would be 2,902,0001. and perhaps that would
have been a fair ratio for any contract in this case.
He mentioned this, .because they had taken it at
100,0001. less than it would have been in the event
of any other arrangement having been entered into
With a private party. But they did not agree to re-
mit taxes to that amount. 'The remainder of the
proceedings as to the conduct of the plan was very
important. The annuity would be placed in the
hands of trustees to be nominated by the Bill. , He
should propose that the trustees be the sort 'of per-
sons nho had hitherto been connected with the issue
and payment of these pensions. These were--6-the
First Lord of the Treasury, the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, the Paymaster-General of the Forces, the
Master-General of the Ordnance, the Treasuier .of
'the Navy, and the Governor and Deputy-Goverpor
of the Bank of •England. As the payments were
made through the Bank in some Measure,' it was
highly desirable that a free and confidential cimmu-
pication should subsist. The second and third Revd*-
-
tr, ims were then read by the Right Honourable Gen-
tleman, as follows : . ~ . .. .
" 2. That it is the opinion of this Committee, that the said
Trusters should pay into the Excheques the several anGuat Aunts
hereinafter mentioned, by four equal quarterly instalments, on
or before the 15th January, 15th April, the 15th July, and the
20th October ; the first payment thereof to be made on the 20th
of October, 1822: .• 1, ~
Ist Year, ending 15th , X 24thYeartendingt5th X
July, 1823 4,900,000 I July, 1846. 1,580,000
2d 1824 4,700,000 25th 1847 ..1,130,000
34 1825 , 4,540,000 26th 1548 1,630,000
• 4th .1526 4,410,000 27th 1849 1,530,000
5•11 1827 4,290,090 28th 1850 1,430,000
6th 1828 4,119,000 29th 1351 1,340,000
7th . 1529, . 4,00000 30th 1852 1,250,000
Bth 1130' ' 3,860,000 51st 115.; 1,170,000
oth 1131 3,720,000 32d 1854 1,080,000
10th 1839 3,590,000 53d 1855 1,000,000
11th 1833 3,450,000 34th 1856 920,000
12th 1834 • 3,310,000 35th 1857 860,000
13th. 1835 3,180,000 56th 1858 780,000
14th 1856 3,050,000 37th 1859 720,000
15th 183/ 2,910,000 38th 1860 660,000
16th 1838 2,790,000 39th 1861 100,000
17th 1839 2,660,000 40th 1862 540,000
18th 1840 2,530,000 41st 1863 490,000
19th 1841 2,410,000 42d 1864 440,000
20th 1842 2,290,000 43d 1865 590,000
21st 1843 2,170,000
.44th 1866 350,000
22d 1844 2,060,000 45th 1867 300,000
2.1 d 1845 1,950,000

or such part thereof as may be
and applied conformably to

—And that the said several
necessary{ sheidd be appro
the said Resolutions.
" 5. 'That it is the opinion of this Committee, that for the
purpose of enabling the said Trustees to male the several pay-
ments hereinbtforenientioned, at the Ei xchequer. at the several
periods aforesaid, they should be empowered, froM tithe to time,
to sell and dispose of so much of the said Annuity as may be ne-
cessary for that purpose, but so as that no greater amount of An-
nuity should he sold or disposed of. in any one year, than would
be sufficient to raise the sums necessary to complete the whole
of the payments to be made within the year, or to discharge and
pay off the Principal and Interest of any Exchequer 'Bills which
may have been issued on account of such payments."
It was desirable that the power to issue Exchequer
Bills should be, given to the Treasury, in order to
elude the necessity of going into the market when in
an unfavourable state for the sale of any part of - the
annuity. Accordingly this was proposed in the 4th,
Resolution, with the power of resorting to other funds.
for the payment of the interest upon sucli adiances.
The Right Hon. Gentleman then proceeded to mime
the fourth Resolution to the Committee:
" That it to the opinion of this Coinmittee' that for the
purpose of enabling the said Trustees the more re;dily.to.provido
the means nesessuy for making the said payments, in the most
convenient and economical manner, the Commissioners of his
Majesty's Treasury should be empowered to issue, to the said
Trustees, Exehequet Bills to an amount nut exceeding the sums
necessary for completing, from time to time, the said payinents.;
which Exchequer Bills, together with the interest thereupon
should, from time to time, be discharged and satisfied bZ the said
Trustees out of any monies to arise by the 'sale of the add An-
nuities, or out of the dividindi thereof; and that, untll suck/fer-
ment. the interest accruing on slick Exchequer Bills may be paid
out of any supplips voted by Parliament."
The first half-yearly dividend, amounting.to the
sum of 1;1,400,000, would be paid on the 20th Oc-,
tober, commencing froM the sth.April; -but the true
tees would have a quarterlypayment of 'pension to
make before this, and for -the 20th of October,
4:75,000 over and above the portion of dividend -re-
ceived, would be required to meet the demand of the,
pensions. For the January quarter it would be ne-
cessaty to be prepared with a million of money,,frorip
.one.source or other. On the sth of April followiat
another half-yearly dividend would be paid; and On
the sth of July again there would -be-another' trip
ment of' a millionsto make. In the Octotier arid April
quarters there would be no difficulty, but. provision I
must be made for-the payments in Januaryand
' The whole difficulty would consist • in 15'rorriding,f41
the first years. In three years the amount or the
pensions wouldl..he reduced to £4,500,000 ; in. five,
years to £4,100,000 ; and in seven years it would be
• E 4,000,000: The annuity in the hands of the.C4sm-
, missioners after a certain time would meet the
amount of the pensions, and therefore there' would
. be nothing to provide when that period should arrive.
Among the various 'points of blew in-which this -.ay.
rangemeut was important) was Its relation to the

.. pried& of a Slaking Fund, to the
of sera odßiosis ; and or part of that world
from that feed by.this arrangement, but the
mi.wonletremain In the bands of the Com.
ir to the-itsti.onte. `tea: This eeir thane.
provided its own extiactlak is lest years, it the
. time that ft uhtedorpermasent charge to the
burdens of the cesatry. There was a future charge
if half-pay and rmioa, to is .iocatred, which would
lei be ideal tpr Ll' this plan. Althotigh a sum
ar timid hes saved to the Public mute-
.elly, ytit ap ; • of thin Would be reserved to
heel the grti Cliarge for half-psry which must coon
orise. It was ifficult to estimate the probable
insoant of this charge, which must depend upon the
rapidity of promotions and tither causes not easily
calculated. But it was proposed to reserve 1;400,000
a year out of the sating to the Public to be apprw
priated to this purpose. He considered that in lest
than eleven years the Siuking Fund will have arrived
at that which was proposed to be its maximum a
compound interest, viz. to the proposition of one per
cent. or the whole debt. He proposed, therefore,
that £400,00 should be added annually to the Sink.
ing Fund, to accumulate at compound interest till it
vas wanted to meet the growing charge, as he had
stated, for half-pay. It was plain, therefore, that this
plan mud, in some way er another, operate in the
reduction of unfunded debt. He had stated that
there would be a saving of 2,200,0001. by this ar-
rangement, and he proposed to give 1,800,0001. to
the Public in the shape of remission oftaxes—(Hear,
hear).—The remaining 400.0001. would be aptfrepri.
ated- as hi had before stated. It might, 'perhaps, be
considered as premature for him to go into a state.
meht.of the taxes he should propose to diminish.—
Such 'a course might wear the semblance of 'pre-
sumption, in assuming the sanction of the House to
the plan he was then only laying before them. But,
as he was desirous of bringing the Whole plan of his
Majesty :Government under the view of the House,
and knew how.'interesting this branch of it was to
persons 'out 'ord.otirs, 'and - to-Hthiciurable Members
who felt with, them; lie would 'take the liberty of
proCeeding to that part of his subject without reserve
(Hear, hear).—He had selected such taxes for redul-
tioo-arappearedto hilts most likely to meet the feel-
rrigs'or Die country, and what *as more, afford sub-
stantial telief at the same time. He believed there
wasirit# little difference of opinion either in the Pe-
iitionyliteicsited Yo' that House, or in the sentiments
of Haii. Mein tiers, as to its being desirable that the
Salt Tax should be reduced—(Hear,hear). Ile had
taken the liberty to object to a motion of the lion.
Member For Warehain (Mr. Calcraft) at the begin.
,ri.ing of the Sessiori for the-reduction of this tax, be-
cause he thought the mode in which he proposed to
effect that reduction would- be embarrassing and in-
jurious to the trade in that article, and also because
it was connected with an attack on the public credi-
tor, but not from any partiality for
.the tax itseE.
The amount of duty at present was 15s. on the bushel
of salt, and he should propose to give up 13s. of :ha,
leaiing a duty of 2s. a bushel, which he intended
should be equalized throughout the-United Kingdom,
including Ireland—(Hear).—ln doing this, however,
it was necessary to consider the interests of the trat'e;
and it was obvious that the remission of 13s. wed
be ruinous to the dealers in the article, and all udders
whose commodities bore a portion of it, if it we:e
not removed to a certain limited period. Altlicugh,
therefore, it was his intention to move the lleso:u.:on
directly, he did not contemplate the reduction of ibis
duty before the sth of January next. The stock now
in hand would by that time be disposed of, and by
an arrangement with the Excise all further difficul-
ties might be obviated. Though the Public would
wait, they would-always have this benefit in view, and
meanwhile traderswould be able to adjust their interests
With regard to Scotland, it was his intention to reduce
the duty in that country from 6s. to 2s. in order that
there might be a free trade of the article throughout
the empire—(Hear, hear).—He should also propose
that all exemption's and allowances upon salt be re-
pealed, except in cases of exportation to foreign ports.
—For the purposes of exportation he should propose
that salt be allowed to go duty free; but for no other
purpoirK By. equalizing the duty with the Irish,
Mach fraud:viotild be prevented. British salt ex,
ported to Ireland would go duty free, and the trade
of every port of the United Kingdom would be free
and unfettered—(Hear, his)).-13y this arrangement,
therefore, it was plaits that the fisheries would greatly
benefit. - For the protection of the British salt-maker
it would be necessary to pot a duty of 2s. 3d. on
foreign salt for the fisheries. The arrant of reduction
of taxation accruing from this would be 1,300,0001.
leaving a duty of 200,0001. in the aggregate to Le
levied On that article. The duty Would continue to
be collected bT.the Excise, but, Once paid, it would
be free to go through all the internal parts of the
kingdom—(Hear.).
Sir JOHN NEWPORT asked what were the Right
Hon. Gentleman's views with regard to foreign salt
in Ireland P . '
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
there would be no alteration observed towards Ire-
land. -The next article to be affected was on the other
side. of the Channel, and he confessed he was the
:more disposed to concede something to Ireland, as
the reiseal .of the Sall Duty in this country would be
tatliar prejudicial than otherwise to that country.—
,The'bigh rose of duty in this country was an adyan-
Akirio Ireland, but he was sure thatgenerou,sf collie
svould-stot wish to' possess an advantage to the deti-i.
cftiientsoliheirlellOw-subjects, and therefore it was
shat4..lidltfOire. this measure should be coil-
nWalfraksoosething contemporaneous and pece-
rrsarit.ppliciible. to Ireland—(Hear, hear). The
'lletieeittiew thak there was nothing in which the feel-
ings ilf 'lreland *ere more unanimous than in desiring
,tlre repeal, of the. Window Tax—and it was his inten-
tion to propose a complete repeal of that duty from
the6th of-July nest—(Hear, 'hear).—lts addition to
that he should also propose to take off • the Health
puty—an impost'efat had been removed in this
country since the time of Williani the Third, as a us
improper in its nature—(Hear, hear)...-The amount
'of the Windosi and Hearth-duty remitted weuld
hardly exceed 250,0001. The next article was one
on rhich there was a considerable feeling in the Pub-
-lic but onron which it was necessary, to have some
little explanation—he alluded to the duty ou leather

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