Star.
London, England, 1804-03-21 00:00:00

PROPERTY TAX.

Lord TEMPLE f 414, that the Houle was already aware of e '
motion he had formerly pr. pored, as to t►e mode of trading this
tai from Olken In the A• my. Several cafe► had dna prefented
tbemfelves to his notice, which were equally @rang with thole he
bed dated on a ismer nersflan, and therefore he imagined be
would be ailing wrong were he to bring that fulled before the
Hawk excluded,/ upon thok frit mentioned, without adwidng
to the misers he alluded to. He therefore gave notice, that after
the coking reerfs be Mould bring t►i.. fubjea forward in a more
enlarged (hope than be at hal iutended; and be would then main-
der it proper to move, that the Houk &mild appoint a Committee
to confider of the heft means of remedying the defats he had
found in the mode of taxation.
VtiLtleTit•Ple 11FOULATIOel DILL.

Mr Secretary Vf/RKE moved that the Houle mould enter Into
• reconfideration of the Repor: on the Volunteers' Regulation Rel.
A very long difeullion took place on leveret of the elaufes, u
the tioufe proceeded in the reeenving of the R -port. A vaft num-
ber of onntrions,infertions, and verbal alterations were agreed to.
'rho prmrifirin relative to the right of rcggnatlon was made
more CIACIIIPIC than it appeared to he Ly the grit formation of the
BM. Ihe individuals wbo compote loch Corps as May volunteer
to extend the duration of their ferret to the length of the conti•
ounce of the war, were, as the chide originally Ito 41, precluded
from exceeillog their right of refignadon. thole word. were now
agree.: to he left out, fo Oat every Volunteer may enjoy the full
power of refigning whenever he may think flt.
On the clank which wakes a proviftoo fug the familks of Vey-

ksnteer►whik they are out on actual duty, either for the purp.Ac
of being norm completily difelptlned or tor contending with the
enemy in cafe of kraftan, ■ very long court:dation took place.
Aoother part of the bone tirade purports to give two guinea► to
every Volunteer who maU math to meet the aseniv, and tow r ti-
ma to eery ferh ration who Sall trace to Mica himf,ll to mi-
litary difelphne for three week, or a month or for any length of
time that may be determined on hereafter. The money, how-
ever, was left fulled to tit. rnrltrnel of the crvrimarmisig officer. as
it was fisted that he 111, to fee that the man was provided with a
great Coat and otter as bg idea want, and jive
the vvisphiy if any, to Lim arm.

Mr. PITT animadverted at pest length on the I
nature of •thefe provifioni. The great number of
married men who were Volunteers, and who were
not liable to compulfory fervice, was a chief part of
the Arength of the Volunteer force. By that means
the country is rendered much more powerful than
the otherwife would be ; the Houfe admits that they
have not the power of forcing them into aaual duty,
milers in cafe of ;ovation or alarm, and a bow had
been given to fuch as may think proper to fublea
themfelves to the hardthips of a military life, previ-
ous to the time of spatial neceffity for the defence of
the (late. He then read a written inftruftion, which
he in his military capacity had received from the
Secretary of State in which it was recommended
that he Should avoid as much as poffible calling out
married men. They might amount in Tome inflances
to one half, one third, or even two thirds of the
&mei of the Corps, and, if they were not to receive
the additional infiruaion of affociating together as
the others, even during the fhort (pace of time which
we might have left us before the enemy. invades, they
might in the day of trial throw the whole iuto con-
fution. Men with families had a hronger focial tie
to bind them to the defence of the country, and he
thought that it would tend to damp the fpirit and
weaken the energies of the country, if fuch perfons
were not to be called out in the tense manner as the
other perfons who might be in the fame Corps. But
what could a Commander of a Corps do, with the
Ail of the Leginature in one hand and the inane-
doss of the Secretary of State in the other ? As to
the marching guineas, he confidered that a great
somber of the Volunteers would be found to be pro-
vided with great emit, &c. though perhaps not
ffrialy military', and therefore thought that the Com-
manding Officer Ihould have no controul over the
difpofal of the money, which he looked upon as a
bounty for their Volunteer offer of fervice.
Mr. Secretary YORKE fisted, that the fame fort
of regulation had been adopted for a number of
ymn with refpea to the difpofal of the marching
=of the Militia and the fame fort of regula-
sd been adopted in the Defence Aft. If the
mow was given to the men in the firfi inflance, he
was very moat afraid it would be (pent in fuels fort
of indulgence as foldiers are too apt in general to
fir:a way to, if they receive fuels a fum in that way.
had been termed an intiruaion from him, he
eonfidered only as a recommendation, and meant it
to leave a difcretion with the Commanding Officer.
'in order to obviate a recurrence of fuch individual
inconvenience as had been well known to take place
at the end of tall war, by the calling out of perfons
whole abfence was feverely felt by their families.
Mr. WILBERFORCE fupported the objeaions
of Mr. Pitt. He Paid, that the cafe was very differ-
eat as to the Militia and Army, where the men were I
obliged to comply with the regulations of Govern-
ment. In Volunteer Corps, the provillon propofed
aught undoubtedly to operate as an inducement te
reader themfelves ufeful to their country ; if it was
Dot to produce that effete, it would do nothing. He
always underilood, that where a body of men were
ant all equally well trained, it proved highly detri-
mental to themfelves, and to others afforested with
them.
Mr. ROSE alto fupported the objections of Mr.
Prrr.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
shimmed, that Hon. Gentlemen argued as if-they
forgot the Volunteers had not their trade to learn till
this time of day, and that their Qat: of difcipline was
not in fuch a date as left as fuel) grounds of appre-
benfion for their fitnefs to meet an enemy, as Gen-
tlemen keened to entertain. He was ready, how-
ever, to admit their difcipline might receive a coati-
derable degree of improvement under the operation
of the chola now under difcuffion. But he was of
opinion the marching guinea, which was meant as an
inducement for the Vdtutteer to enter upon perma-
nent duty for a few weeks, for the purpofe of improv-
ing his difcipline, humid be given rather in the fhape
of neceffaries than of money. He thought alfo that
much grave confideration was due to what had been
hated by his Right Hon. Friend, with refpea to the
propriety of not calling out from their families, for
the purpofe, men who had many children, unlefs in
cafe of abfolute neceffity ; and thereby a confiderable
bits then would be Caved to their refpeitive parithes,
who muff otherwife be charged with allowances to
their wives and families ; nor did he think that from

thus curdling a 'audible difcretion, much difadvan.
cage could arife to the difcipline of the Corps. There
was an example in the cafe of the London Light
Horfe, who very feldom mct for the purpofes of dif-
cipline, but in (*mall detachments, and yet, whenever
the whole Corps was afKmbled, this circumflance was
not found to produce any perceivable defea in the
manceuvres of the whole ; and in this cafe, the Lords
Lieutenants of Counties, and Commanders of Vo-
lunteer Corps, were entitled to the credit of exercif-
ing the difcretion to be veiled in them by this dance,
to the belt of their judgment, for the public advan-
tage. The regulation of giving the guinea in necef-
farms would prevent many of the inconveniences and
injuries to individuals, which, in the nape of money,
it would have a tendency to create. We had the
example of IA autumn, in proof of the expediency of
the meafure, when 14,m0 Volunteers came forward
to affume permanent duty ; and it was fair to con-
' elude the meafure would now have a fimilar efficiency.
Mr. KINNAIRD obferved, that in Scotland,
which he had jolt lefi, and where he had been on per-
manent duty, no fuch thing as the marching guinea
had been heard of. Ile laid, that no advantage ac-
crued from Volunteers doing permanent duty in
their own towns. The Chancellor of the Exchequer

had faid. the Volunteers had learnt their bulineli.—
This he denied. If they had learnt their bufinels,
why tribe them by this guinea to do permanent
duty ? Any man who (aid they had learnt their
bulinefc, was grufsly millaken, and it was delution it
fell to fay fo.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHECTER ex-
plained, by obferving, that he had not Cud that the
Volunteers had completely learnt their lafron.
Mr. YORKE, in anfwer to what fell from Mr.
Kinnaird, (aid that Come millake bad certainly been
committed about the bounty.
Mr. STURGES BOURNE obfereed that a great
coat could not be purchafed for left than from t 6,. to
a3s. Suppofing then great coats were bought at
16s. each, he would with to learn in what other as.
cefLoits was the balance of the guinea to be expend-
ed It bad been laid the Vulunteers already had gone

out in order to repel ;ovation, hot would they do fo
now, when they were told it was a mere panic, and
that 1200 gun boats in Boulogne harbour was a
mut-quirt" fleet
Mr. OSBORNE concurred in the fame opinion.
Mr. prrr Was happy that the inftruilions of the
Secretary of State to the Lord Lieutenants of Coon-
ties, were not at all to be underflood as being au-
thoritative in their name. This was, however, a
conclufion Thich could only have been derived front
the direct explanation of the Right Honourable Gen-
tleman in the courfe of the preterit dircullion, and be
Rill thought that his Majelly's Government &wild
take Come Rill more direct means to have it under.
Rood over the country, that the inftruftion did not
at all limit the difcretionary powers of Lord Lieute-
nants or Commanders of Volunteer Corps. For his
own part, he Ihould lofe 120 opportunity of letting
the explanation which had taken place this evening
he generally known in that part of the country with
which he was more immediately concerned. The
Right Hon. Gerateman, alter a few obfervations,
concluded with moving, that the guinea allowed to
Volunteers entering on aetual lervice, Mould be given
to the individual in money within a mom h after the
time of entering on ferviee, inftead of being laid out
in neceffaries by the Commanding Officer.
General MAITLAND fuggeffed a difficulty, that
individuals in want of the molt effential necelfaries.
would not apply the =racy fo received to this ufe....
They would thus be altogether unfit for fervice. Ind
Read of improving in difcipline, they would only
wage their time in vice and diffipation.
Mr. P. CAREW was quite adverfe to the am.
mutation of allowances to Volunteers. We ought
to depend on the zeal and energy of the people, in.
dependent of Etch expenfive allowances. If thous
allowances were thus extended the Volunteer Syftent
would be a cede of the weaknefs, inftead of the
confolidation of the Rrength of the country.
Mr. W. DUNDAS was for the Amendment. Ir
was by giving the guinea in money alone that a vat
body of Volunteers would enter on sew' ATViCII to
prepare thentfelves effeenally to repel the• molt fop
triable danger which ever threatened the country,
General MAITLAND explained.
Mr. HOBHOUSE was againft the Amendment,
and delivered fome very warm compliments oa tlq
utility of great coats ! The Volunteers when they
looked to there rewards of their patriotifm, Inuit tai
filled with confcious pride and fatisfaftion. He
thought to give the allowance in money would en.
courage diffieation. It was no check to this that
the men received their allowance at different times.
as they could eerily procure liquor op the credit of
the fum due to them.

M. H. LASCELLES in a few worth fupporte4
the Amendment.
Mr. HILEY ADDIN'OTQN otpotl it. Hs
acquainted the Houle, that in the which he
commanded, the whole expence of the was not
more than twenty-three !billings. To induce the
men cheerfully to wear this drefi, the olOcers were
dre&d [trailer in all refpcGs. It was not true date
great coats era twenty•three and twenty.four My`
logs. He faid that be knew they might wask!.
led at thirteen Otiflings each ; end that it mate-
rial for the men theurfelves, where there was little op
no fubfeription, that the Commanding Officer Amid
be allowed the diferetion of laying out the guinea iq
this or any other article of neeeffity,
Mr. CANNIPIQ o&erved, that the fubjeft was
taking a ludicrous turn; for when it was the inflroc.
tion that a great coat &mild be bought at all event%
betides other noeeffaries, and the Volunteer loving
the option of attending a week or three weeks, if he
only attended for the fit II period, then the Command,
ing Officer Ihould buy the great coat and thole other
neceffariesout of feventeen (billings ; but if the coat colt
fixteen !billings, and the cloth were to be cut accord-.
ing to the Volunteer's pay, for the firk week's atten•
dance he may purchafe a fpencer ; for the fecouti
week's pay a lkirt, and if he chofe to flay the third
week, then he may carry it home entire.

Mr. CAREW explained.
The SECRETARY at WAR confidered that the
purchafe of the neceffaries by the Commanding 96
ficer was the bell mode that could be adopted. •
Mr. C. WYNNE thought it vas necelTary that the
Volunteers fhould be provided with what would ren-
der their fervices efficient ; but he did not know if is
was the opinion of military men that great coats
were abfolutely neceffary.
Mr. GROSVENOR profeffed himfelf unfriendly
to any additional pay in any Ihape.
Mr. ROSE was of opinions that the general im-
pretlnn felt by the Houle was, that as great a num-
ber of Volunteers as polfible ~.ula be drawn out,
and the queftion therefore was, which mole of giving
the guinea or two guineas would be molt effeCtual
for this purpofe? The molt effeetual way he thought
was to put it in the man's own hand.
Mr. JEFFERY reprobated the idea of great coats
at fuch a low price as had been mentioned or .1 Right
Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Hiley Addingt,.ll). The Vo.
lunteds he was acquainted with would be atb.nte4
to accept of any fuch thing. In a Corps wiili %duchy
he was particularly connetled, on their being c.11e4
out on permanent duty, fome on whole dikre.ton
they could depend, got the guinea at once, otht vs.
who had families, were paid five, fix, or ;eve:, 11111:
lings at a time. He had the pleafure of &cluing AL
the fame time, that while they were out not a tingle
man had been found either drunk or diforderly iu
any refpee (a bad cry (pear bear!)
Mr. KINNAIR U was of opinion that the claufe
as it Rood in the 13:11 entrutled too much to the dif-
cretion of Commanding Officers, that difficulties
might afire from the vagnenefs with which it was
evreffed. What were reckoned neceffaries in one
fenfe might not be reckoned fo in A military point of
view. In law, a Volunteer, he thought, might have
an aelion againft his Commanding Officer according
to the Bill as it now flood, for pr, viding him with a
great coat in place of giving the money, as a
great coat in a military view might not be reckoned
a neceffary. The Hon. Gentleman begged leave to
advert alto to otter two ambiguities which he ward
to be explained, whether the guinea was to be all 'w-
ed for the &ft time only of being called out on per-
manent duty, and whether the him to be voted by
the claufe was two or three guineas ?
Mr. BUTLER profeffed himfelf a friend to eco-
nomy. Had adminißration at•enilzd more to 1; is
objet daring IA war, the colintry, he thought,
would have felt the benefiti of it at the ptefcnt aro-
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