Star.
London, England, 1830-05-04 00:00:00

SEEK BILL.

Mr. BRA MSTON presented a petition from a hundred in Es.
sex, and one from the brewers of Saffron Walden, against the beer
bill.

Mr. PORTMAN said he wished to put a question to the bon.
gentleman opposite, which was of considerable importance to the
country. The question arose from a statement which was supposed
to be official, and one which, if true, would be likely to prevent a
very great degree of excitement throughout the country, with respect
to the beer bill, and If it were not true, he would Implore his ma-
jesty's government to reconsider the steps they were taking. The
question was, whether it was the intention of government so to alter
the bill as to prevent the beer sold by these publicans who were to
take out licence from the Excise from being drunk any where but
on the promises of the sellers ?
Mr. GEORGE DAWSON, in reply to the question of the hon.
member, would say, that it was nut the intention of government to
alter what bad been recommended by the committee, and that it
was to be understood that the beer was to be sold and consumed on
the premises. If any alteration were allowed, the government
thought that it would have the effect of completely nullifying
their design
of throwing open the sale of beer for immediate
co nsum .
Mr. EATHCOTE suggested the propriety of acceding to a
paltion already brought before the house by the magistrates of
Socishire—namely, that no person should be permitted to sell
beer unless he had certificates, of good conduct, and would find
sureties for his observance of it. This would prevent persons
of bad character from being allowed to become retailers, and
that would obviate many of the difilcukies that now stood in

the way.
Mr. lIENETT always understood that the beer was to be con.
wined on the premises, and to that he saw no objection, if a rule
were laid down that the houses wan to be shut up early at night,
and not to be allowed tn,open until reasonable hour in the morn.
lag. He could see no lesson why the poor man should not have an
opportunity of ;ping to such haws.* those proposed either to take
his dinner or esesper,.on leavingltis work; and the only thing to
be looked to was the preventli* of late hours.
Mr. DAWSON begged to say thulium@ wore voodoos and sag.
gestions whit* were gifted Sarno tworouittee, and that it was not
timely 1 bring times incidontally a petitions.
Tits peti was dun ordered to Lisa the table, and be printed.
cootie- NVENLYSS presented in poitipie hem the county di

Fife, and two from the county of Forfar, against an inclose of the
duty on home-made spirits.
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onnMAITLAND ted a petition from the county of
H to the same eObet
Mr. W. DUNDAS presented four petitions from various classes
of persons in Edinburgh, with a similar prayer.
Mr. BASTARD presented a petition from the licensed victual-
lers of Stowehouse, against the beer bill.
Mr. BURNELL presented a petition from Brighton, to the same
effect.

Lord STANLEY presented five petitions from Lancashire, and
one from ein Sussex, to the same effect.
Lord STANLEY, presented a petition from a place in Lan-
cashire, in favour of the bill before the house, for the abolition of the
system of paying wages by truck.
Mr. BRIGHT supported the prayer of the petition.
A Hon. Member read a letter, to show the extent to which them
evils had been carried on in the county of Cork.
Mr. O'CONNELL hoped it was not intended to assimilate Ire-
land to England, with respect to the truck system.
The petition was brought up, and laid on the table.
Lord STANLEY presented a petition from the proprietors of
stage-coaches, against the stage-coach act. He took this opportu-
nity of asking the Chancellor of the Exchequer, whether lie in.
tended to introduce any new measure to steam carriages.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it being
his intention to bring in a bill to consolidate the duty as to the
stamp acts, these duties would come under consideration ' • and
there would be a clause which would place carriages, whether drawn
by horses or propelled by steam, upon an equal footing.
. The petition was brought up and laid on the table.
Mr. MUNDAY presented a petition from Derby, praying that
that part of the Beer Bill allowing tipling in every house, might not
pass into a law.
Mr. EGERTON presented a petition from Stockport, against the
abolition of the jurisdiction of Chester; also a petition from Stock-
port against the East India monopoly.
Mr. CURTEIS presented a petition from Foot's Cray, in Kent,
against the Beer Bill.
Mr. HODSON presented a petition from Wigan, for the repeal
of the duties on beer.

Mr. LIDDELL presented a petition from the shipowners of New.'
castle interested in the coal trade, complaining of a tax called the
Richmond One Shilling, levied solely on the river Tyne.
Mr. LIDDELL presented a petition from North Shields against
the punishment of death for forgery.
Sir JAIIF.S MACKINTOSH said that at whatever time the
Forgery Bill might be read, he or some friends better qualified than
himself, would, on the occasion of the motion for the Speaker to
leave the chair, move that there be an instruction to the committee
to receive certain mitigatory amendments of the bill. He should
be happy to consult the convenience of all parties by not bringing it
forward on Wednesday, if some other early day were appointed ; but
if no hope of that sort were held out to him, he was afraid he should
be under the necessity, however unpopular it might be, of bringing
it forward on that day.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that he wu
In such a situation that he could not make any promise.
Mr. HUME moved for the following returns :—An account of
the number of officers of the Royal Academy of Woolwich,
the salaries to the officers, expense of the establishment, &c a re-
turn of all articles imported from British postessions to the East of
the Cape of Good Hope on which a larger duty is charged than
on the same articles from other possessions; a return of the number
of registers in Scotland, in what places they are kept, Su. a return
of the emoluments of the Clerks of the Peace in each county in
Scotland during the last ten years, specifying whether the duties
were discharged by deputy, &c.
Mr. 11UME presented a petition from the shipowners of Aber.
deen, complaining of clauses in the Lord Advocate's bill, which de.
clued the removal of the Admiralty Court, and praying that the
house would not destroy the local jurisdictions.
Mr. HUME presented a petition from G. and W. Emery, of the
county of Somerset, against the beer bill.
Mr. DENISON presented a petition from Epsom, stating that if
the beer bill passed into a law, with the clause which permitted
drinking beer in the houses, most serious evil would ensue. He did
hope that, when the bill came into a committee, such regulations
would be adopted as would secure the country from the exhibition
of manes of drunkenness from one end of the kingdom to the other.
Sir W. GUISE presented a petition from the proprietors of pub-
lic-houses, in the neighboerhood of Stroud, against any alteration in
the licensing system. The hon. baronet made some observations
which did not reach us.

Mr. SLANEY concurred in the views of the hon. baronet.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he was anxious
that there should be a general power of entering into the beer trade,
without restriction as to drinking on the premises or not. When
the bill was committed, he should be glad to have the opinions of
those who might feel interested in the matter.
Lord MILTON said that the hon. gentleman was desirous of in.
clueing the house to take a step, before they had maturely consi.
dered what would be the results of that step.
Sir WILLIAM GUISE presented three petitions, one from
Stroud and another from Madsworth, in Gloucestershire, praying
for an alteration in the laws of forgery, so as to do away with ca.
pita punishments. The third was from a parish in the same county,
complaining of distress--Laid on the table.
Mr. LITTLETON presented several petitions, two from the
licensed victuallers and freeholders of Huntingdonshire (as we un-
derstood) against the beer bill, and the others from the tradespeople
and workmen in the iron-works of Shropshire, in favour of that bill
and against the truck system.
On a suggestion from the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE.
QUER, that this being one of the two nights of the week, which
by a general understanding in the House were to be given to the'
government public business, a conversation arose among several
members, who had their names down for petitions and other business,
but who gave way upon the understanding that they would have
precedence next night, in the order In which they stood upon the
paper in the Speaker's hands.
Mr. BRIGHT withdrew his notice of motion for to-morrow, re.
'petting the French claims.
Mr. H. GRANT postponed to Monday, the 17th insc the se-
cond reading of the Jews Relief Bill, the Chancellor of the Ex.
chequer having promised to give him precedence that day.
Mr. HUSKISSON also postponed the motion which he had, and
said he would take his chance for it some other night.
Mr. O'CONNELL also yielded, and postponed his motion to
the I2th instant, but he hoped that the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer would not persevere in taxing his impoverished country. He
then gave notice that, on Wednesday next, he would move for co-
pies of the depositions and notes of the Judges, on the trial of Ed-
mund Conner, and others, charged with the Doneraile conspiracy.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT moved for the amount of moneys paid
into the First Fruits Office of Great Britain and Ireland, for the
last ten years. He also gave notice of a motion to reduce the legacy
duty upon legacies to near relations, to one half ; and to compen-
sate to the revenue for that, he would suggest an increase on the
duty on powers of attorney to receive dividends and collect rents.
Mr. FYLRR presented a petition from a number of the inha-
bitants of the borough of Leominster, against capital punishment
in cases of forgery.—Laid on the table.