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foresee between the subscriptions raised by the Catholic,
Priest and the money collected by the Bible Societies '
and other bodies. He did not know whether he was

addressing many who were in the habit of going to
church—(A laugh).— He supposed be was; and if so,
he was stare there were few amongst them who did not
come out with their pockets much lighter than when
they entered; and that, too, at the recommendation of
our Protestant Clergymen. The motley so collected
was applied to laudable objects, but not to such as were
more laudable than those of the Catholic Priesthood.
If this were levying taxes, he only wished that the Right
Hon. Chancellor of the Exchequer would levy his in
the same way, giving the same option, and there would
socitt be an end of the odious character attached to the
word tax—(A laugh). As to the passage so much
dwelt on by the other side, calling upon the Catholics
to be tranquil by the hate they bear to Orangemen, they
were enjoined to shew their hatred by forgetting in-
juries, and by giving their enemies no cause of provo.
cation. This was the light in which the adjuration
ought to be viewed. Some had wished to apply to it
the sentiment of Shylock, when be said—
" Bates any man the thing he would Dot hair'
but he thought it used very mach in the same sense
that Squire Western was made to say, Is not every
trueborn Englishman bound to hate every Frenchman
as he hates the Devil in Hell?"—(A laugh). He be-
lieved there were many Country Gentlemen both in and
out of that House, who still honoured that sentiment
without attaching a more defined meaning to it. That'
was intended or implied by the hatred of Orangemen.
He had considerable hope, from the speech of the Attorney-General
for Ireland, that the state of the Catholic population of that country
would yet receive the just attention of the Government, and that,
from the beneficence of his Majesty's feelings, and the moderation
still shewn by the Catholics, some portion at least of their claims
might be granted during the present Session, so as to prevent the
necessity of the proposed Hill passing into a law—(llear, hear).
Mr. DAWSON would confine himself to the subject
before the House; and. his old opinions had been cun-
fin by the recent conduct of the Catholics. Asso-
ciations had been the curse of Ireland ; and he had the
greatest giatification in stating, that it was intended to
put down all Associations. At a former period there
had been a risk of collision between the Volunteers and
the Parliament, which had been prevented by the me-
diation u,l Lord Charlemont. He would say, that all
Associations should be put down without exception;
both the misguided loyalty of the Orange Societies, as
well as the turbulence of the Catholics. The Catholic
Association had assumed the form of a ParliaMent, and
had interfered with the administration of justice. But
the number of Orange Lodges had been greatly magni-
fied; and in the City of Derry, where the Protestants
were so numerous, there was no Orange Lodge. The
Catholic Association was most dangerous and unconsti-
tutional. A paid Press was employed to disseminate
their principles, and had done so to the widest extent.
All the violence of their orators against the established
institutions, was spread over the country by the News-
papers in their pay-5,000 copies of the Finance Re-
port of their Committee had been, circulated among
their friends. The Report bade them act like men de-
salting of freedom. Mr. O'Connell had subsequently
said, that he would not admit the arming of the Catho-
lics, as it would be like a declaration of war. Such
speeches had the worst effect on the minds of the Ca-
tholic peasantry. tilt. Slid bad said, that. the British
Parliament required the degradation of six millions of
people. Lord Redesdale and the Duke of Yolk ha•A
been assailed for having given their opinions on the Ca-
tholic Question; and with respect to his Royal fligh-
tless, Mr. O'Connell had said, that one Duke of Yoik
shinld recollect that another had lost his crown for his
interference with religious opinions. The Archbishop
cf. 'loam had fOrmerly.received the thanks of the Ca.
tholics in his flocese ; but after the formation of the
Association, it had been asserted by the same party that
the Archbishop had introduced soldiers into a meeting,l
• for the purpose •of put; g to death all the Catholic
Priests. Mr. O'Connell had stated that the Scorch had
hewn down with the sword of the LORD their Archbi-
shops and Bishops, and that language was addressed to
an ignorant peasantry. In like manner the Bar had been
attacked, and Lotd Manners and Mr. Saurin had been
particularly named. The most unfounded calumnies
had been thrown on the administration of justice. On
the 240 of November, Mr. Derereux and Mr. Hamil-
ton Rowan had been admitted with acclamation, as a
matter of course; the former had been an United Irish-
man, and the latter hail been their Secretary, charged,
he believed, with high treason, and allowed by the °le-
niency of Government to return to his native country :
but the Association would be comparatively harmless,

without the aid of the Catholic Priests. He was sorry
to be obliged to say that most of the evils Of Ireland
had arisen from that class of men—(Heartfrom the Op-
position.) The titular Primate of Ireland had said that
the Archbishop of Dublin was an usurper. Another
Prelate had said, that in the event of a rebellion no
censure would be fulminated by any Catholic Priest—
(Hear.) On the subject of the Catholic Clergy he dif-
fered wholly from his Right Honourable Ft lend (Mr.
Plunkett.) A Catholic Priest, upon a trial in Cot k, had
been compelled to admit that no plot could be carried
on in a parish without the knowledge of the Priest; and
on another occasion, a Priest refused to give evidence
on a trial for murder, because it would weaken- his
influence in his parish. Another Priest had recommended to his
flock to contribute to the rent because money was the sinews of
war. The Roman Catholic Priest was anxious to raise his own
Church upon the ruins of the Protestant Establishment. Unless
the Government was supported by the Parliament, the Association
would put down the Constitutiori—(clear.)
Mr. CAREW said, the Association was very dif-
ferent. Dow from what it had been before, and embraced all the
responsibility of Catholic Ireland.
Mr. S. RICE would ask, how violence could be pat
down when the Cabinet was itself divided? He la-
mented that the proceedings of the Rebellion should be
at all alluded to; as the house should look forward,
and not to the past. He should protest against the
Orangeman and the Protestant being identified. He
was a sure friend to the Established Church, though
no friend to the violence that had been employed in its
support. He, as well as the Honourable Member op-
posite, lamented the circumstances of all Associations.
Parliament was now called upon to legislate upon the
authority of the Dublin Newspapers—(Hear, hear).
Some had denied the existence of Orange Lodges; and
in that case, then, the House would legislate on a
phantom. The entire speeches of no body, not even of
that he was then addressing, could be completely justi-
fied. Had not Resolutions been entered on the jour-
nals, which no man now would justify? Violence by
those in possession of every object of desire, could never
be defended, but on the part of the excluded, though it
eatdd not be justified might be easily accounted for.—
'The Honourable Membs4 here alluded to the sentiments
o Lord Killeen, and apologized for reading the fol.