Star.
London, England, 1823-04-18 00:00:00

mockery to go on.year aftef yiNkr acrAfetting a cattse
eldnpitted* to be hopeless. His iniiiresiott watAliei
same as that of the Hon. Baronet; with respect to the
language held some time since by the Right Hon:
Gentleman. He certainly understood him to say
that tie cause would he hopeless until an Adminis-
tration should be bound entirely friendly to the ques-
tion. He (Mr. T.) thought it never could be carried
unless by such a Government. The present was nut
a new question ; it Was familiar to the House ever
since the year 1805, when it was brought forward
by Mr. Fox. Was there, he would ask, any chance
of its succeeding in another place, witliont Govern-
ment support ? How stood the Catholic Question
when the [tight Hon. Gentleman brought forward
his partial measure? A new reign had commenced.
He wished to say nothing.at all disrespectful to the
memory of out late revered Sovereign, but it was'
known that there was such a bias in his mind against
this question, that it was understood he would exer-
cise his prerogative, and refuse the Royal Assent to
any measure oil the subject which might be presented
to him by both [louses of Parliament. TWs mote
than justified any min in holding office without
pledging himself to this question. Now we had a
new Sovereign, whose mind was at least open to con-
viction on the subject, and whose opinions, it was be-
lieved, were more friendly than adverse to it. The
Right Hon. Secretary had long declared his deter-
mination to support this question ; and no man ad-
mired more than he (Mr. T.) did the talents of that
Right Hon. Gentleman, or more applauded the ex-
ertion of them in favour of the Catholics. And with
regard Co the Attorney-General for Ireland (if indeed,
after what had passed, he was still Attorney-General
for Ireland)—(a laugh)--unquestionably no man had
shewn more zeal upon the subject: but the misfor-
tune was, that no man had the firmness to hold to
the question and to keep out of office ; for on entering
office the question was substantially dropped. He
had no doubt that, considering the paucity of talent
among those who opposed the question, firmness in
, principle, on this point, would ensure the question
ultimate success. Was there anything in Lord Li-
Iverpool, or in a cerain great Lawyer, to induce a
belief that public ea siderations alone would weigh
with them on the question of retaining or abandon-
ing office? And as for the Right Hon. Secretary
himself, did he suppose that they would have received
him into office unless they wanted him? Did he
suppose that they brought him into the Cabinet from
motives of affection ? Indeed something had taken
place with regard to these eminent persons, which
reminded him of the humble but pastoral language,

" So sweetly she bade me adieu,
" I thought that sbe bade me return."

(A Laugh).—He feared too.there was a knot of Gen-
tlemen who advocated this question, by their num-
bers (to say nothing of their eloquence), who had,
without stipulation of any kind, given themselves up
to the majority of that House. . Had the supporters
of the question been firm throughout, he had io
doubt that the principle of the measure would have
been gained, ere this, and that all which would now
remain to be done would be to consider the details.
Why, indeed, the Right Honourable Gentleman pro-
posed bringing on the question this year, he really
could not comprehend. He -(Mr. Tierney) had asked
him this year, whether there was any, the least, un-•
derstanding on the subject, when he entered office?
The least hint that there was would hive satisfied
him ; but to his (Mr. Tierney's) sorrow and mortifi—
cation he found that office was the only substantial
thing he had gained upon the occasion. If the Right
Honourable Gentleman failed in his motion, the
Catholics would see how their interests had been
trifled with. He, however, should always vote for the
question, and if the Right Honourable Gentleman
brought it on, and GOD gave bin (Mr. Tierney)
strength to sit out the debate, he world stop to di-
vide with him, though he really thought the bring-
ing it on would not do any good. As for the Right
Honourable Secietary for the Mime Department, he
believed his opposition to the subject to be so steady,
so firm, and so manly, that he bad no clOubt he
would never compeOrnise his principles. The Go-
vernment, he was satisfied, was boil?, to the Catho-
lics. It had no objection to eloquent Men, who advo-
cated the cause, taking office under it. GOvernment
cared not a farthing for their eloquence, so long as
they had not the pOwei to decide the question.—
Under all the circumstances, be hoped the Right
Honourable Gentleman would take a discreet course.
He presumed to offer no advice. The Right Hon.l
Gentleman him-self must be the best judge. As
he had before said, if the question were brOught on,
he would support it to the last moment; but if the
question were lost, he declared before hand that the
odium could not attach to his side of the House.—
If, on taking office, the Right Honourable Gentle-
man had any reason to count upon an accession of
votes in another place, he (Mi. Tierney) should he
perfectly satisfied. If not, the advantage-already
gained was likely to be lost. A 'new Pitiliament
might not be so favourable to the Catholins Is the
present; and the Right Honourable Gentleman was
responsible to those in whose confidence he was, for
the failure of their interests. In cuncThsion, be would
repeat that, if the question were lost, it would belle-
cause some Gentlemen were too desirous 'to obtain
office. Once more he declared his readiness to sup-
port the question ; and he begged to know the deter-
mination of the Right Honourable Gentleman as to
bringing it on ?
Mr. WYNN luiped the House Would indulge him
with a few words in answer to the charge of the
Right Honourable Gentleman, that office had been
accepted upon a com'petiMise Of this question. Stich
a charge came NMI the Right Honourable Gentle-
man with the very Worst grace. Witbregard, how-
ever, to the charge itself,:he must obierve, that any
union on this subject must have included union upon
that of Parliamentary Reform. When he (Mr. Wynn)
entered office, he stiputated fbr en attention to the
affairs of Ireland, anttparticialarly that impartial.jus-
Lice should be'distributed in that country. That sti-
pulation had been perfoinied. He iaw'rits reason why
the acceptance of office by title 'who supported the
' question- ihbuld he'considere'd is an ihindonment of
pt. Thtiie, howeiert who were apt to suspect the
*Wyk' of Otheis, •wiresgeherulty a'bie to dnd sbme-
;thing in'their OWnnlinds to Indnee the inspicion,
:Whether he Was in or out of bake •he should sup-
!na% theorticiet. •
Mr. lialdise Wed& -k kin %thy be in-
, tended, upon 'this question to take up his hat and

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