Star.
London, England, 1801-06-11 00:00:00

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tit*lbch
,treafures as the exigencies of ailtsi
e.
tray War
ot: ss thou?), the Houfe fhould know
nefert•the Accounts ot the late Minifteis clofed,
hailithofe of the prefent began.
_APO: TIERNEY comtiented upon the ineveafe of
ye ,
arsecnpeanctheos
ut;httheithimne Navy.
Thanhiduringhatb lift two
mowtwo
produced, lf the rum fpecified by the Right Hon.
the Chancdlor of the Exchequer, and voted in ad-
dition* the &titer effigitet rtlativi to' the txme
inkjet",
for was to be appropriated wholl to the naval
thEe.zeiefirh:hkaddrindovne6dt
ii& it to be nnderflood that
ferrite, but was to be paid out of y the Confolidi-
ted FUnds, as the exigencies of ally branch of the
public Cervices might require. .
Some convetfatron enfued between Mr. TIER.
141 Y and the CHANCELLOR of the Eton ulna, in-
volvingfome perplexity of detail relative to the,
appropr ration of a former Bill ofCredit for soo,ctoOli
moved for by the late Chancellor of the Exche-
quer.
Mr. STEELS defetideil the condo& of the late
und prefent Chancellors of the Exchequer, and
obniended for the propriety and necellity of the
prefent Vote of Credit.
,
Sir Mottle HAM moan raid, alum not lets thani
ilocooool. per annum had been fared to the country
'by the prefent method of paying the expences of
the Navy in thort bills of ninety days ; and the
method purfued at prefent had kept down the
navy debt, infomoch that there was nothing at.
prefent owing that could be paid. Seven pounds
per matt, per month, had been allowed as Lie ex-
pences of the Navy, and this for a time had beeu
found fully fufficiera ; but by the encreafe in 'the
price of every article, this rum was now found to
be inadecniatr.. He-reprobated the former frilem
grf Coffering the navy debt to encreafe, from which,
he Arid, many inconveniencies arofe to the fervice.
Mr. Gist, approved' of the Navy Debt being
kept down. He Paid it was a favourite plan of the
late Chancellor of the Exchequer; yet in the corn-1
mencentert of the prefent war the Navy Debt was
allowed to increafe tb an amount heretofore un-
known. The late Chancellor of the Exchequer
had ellablithed the expenditure at the rate of 71.
per month per man ; this rum he faid, it r.ovr ap-
pears was only found fuffieient for two years after 1
it was 'fixed, fo that In the year 1799, and fince!
that period, in confequence of the high price oil
provifions, that film was found infufficrent. Why,j
he alked, was not the Houfe informed of that dr.'
cutnflance ? and why was not a freffi eflimate made
conformable to the expenditure ? The Houle, lie"
was convinced, would not have thrown any tor,
neceffary obltacles in the way ; and he thou ht
it would have been but regular to have affordedl,
aloft- the proper information on the lubjeft. He
felt it his duty to obferve the utmott caution: In .1
voting. away the,. public money. He did it'uf`re-
quire Impollibilitres—he was fatisfied it would be
impolfible to give accurate climates of the proba-
hie expenditure; but there had been filth a degree
of inaccuracy in tire ttatetnents of the late Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer,drat he trotted the
would take it into contideration. It had been
addmitted that night, by the Prefent Chancellorof
the Exchequer, that the eftimate given into that
Houfe by his predeceffor, which he raid was • fuffi-
cient for 12 months, was now foul not to be
enough to face the expenceS of nine months. He
wifhed to remind the 'Houfe, that when the late.
Chancellor of the Exchequer delivered the effiniate
to Which he alluded, be mutt have calettated on
Joe probable expence of a fleet in the Baltic, and
every other circumflance likely to create expence,
Which had fince been realifed; finee in the month
Oirebrnary lan he could not have been altranger
to.* probable expence of the Expedition to Egypt, '
certainly the affairs of the North were not at
fbalt period in fuch a flate as to prcunife tranquil-
lily yet upon the expences of the Northern Fleet
um' ch &di had that Men been laid in accounting
{ to the •Houfe for the large Cum required fin the
Naval Department. _lithe late Chancellor of the
Exchequer had taken fuel] pains in the formation
iffellitnates, as had been reprefented by an Honour-
able Gerftleman (Mr. Steel), he omit fay he wee;
*err unfortunate in his effimates. As to the Arrityl
,Albinates, in the firlt three years of the war the
went went on increafing ; that increafe was fupplied
a Vote of Credit ; fo that as much has abfoltitely
been fpent without the content of Parliament as
with it. He had obferved many items in the Ar-
my Extraordinaries, which he conftdered extraor-
dinaries indeed: one was 'a turn of fictiumfand
pounds for the 'Trot/litters of the Life Guards,•
from the year 1788, to the year 1799. He thought
the Trumpeters mit have been included in die
former ellimates, if to, Parliament was abfolutely
voting twice for one ferrite. He thought it a lit.
tie orange thit Yates of credit fhould be applied
for debts alieady incurred. The Caine fyffem was
purfued by the Honourable Gendeman's prede-
celfor, to which he objected, but he was over-
ruled, yet that thould not induce him to ran-
qua his ideas on the fubjed, becaufe he knew
they were tjuff. He was glad to find by the Rite-
' ment of the Right Honourable Gentleman (the
Chancellor of the Exchequer), that the unforefeen
expences were not ti kely to exceed the lion too,oooL
He therefore thonoht lie ought to take a rote of
credit for that ft.*.3, or even a little more,onsitiat
the' other ruins be voted for the fflecific
for which they were defjgned.
The CHANCELLOR of •the .Excittopan tai
thought the Vote of Credit Was the
that could he purfued, becstufe font.
circomßance might' Occur to render the
tore unneceffary. A peace, or a termination to the
'differences in the North, would,hefaid, reduce-the
expences very contiderably. He therefore confider-
ed himfelfjutlified in adhering to the Voteof Credit.
Mr: Gear contended tke caufe -given by the
Chancellor of the Exchequer for adhering to the
Vote of Credit was not a jolt one,
as it would ap-
ply equally well in the cafe of a Vote by effimate.
Mr. STABLE and Mr. Ileac Gs defended the Vote
ofCredit. •
Mr. Tsitauaroppoled it, and entered into Come
financial calculations.

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Mr.ion es thought thew-+.re Many items v. 11! ;i1
`itrleall did not belong to the accounts laid ttp=.l
Ake table—Such as the Enzhafy .to Raffia, ti.,
Cassie of flood I-lope,..and Meffengers.io Malta._.
bal of thee, he Lid, -amounted to to,oool.
ate
COAX Cr Lint of the &cm toy se then rnov.
ad that the &lowing fums be granted to his Ma.
oPool. to dieConimitGaners for paying off the Ni.ticrti
Debt=
&Mi. totbeirreteesi t=ttlielltitith Mttfram:
a,ecat. for the Clwarnsen of the lista& of t.ertia. • . •
The citaiicsi4„cor. of tie, EXCHIGAR Obfertr,!,
that tire-film over and above 2,5c01. was ' f,,i- H„,.
nies adianced by the Chairman of the Houfe ti.
Lords for the public fervice, ~ , • :„ , .
'Mr. GIP obfervedi thitt.he could. not etne.ri
to an increafe of the falarj of the Chairman of 't're.
Houle of Lords from t5001..t0.15001. thus unite-
ceffitrily placing a betthen upPhtheAttbilic ofs,Qool,
. Mr.Tisan Er folloiNed Mr. Orlitiktp.'reprdliatinr.
this ezpioditure, which. be Confidered fiptandefini.
the PUblie Monet in a .fcandalons Mintier. ,
TheCnsates stop. of the Ere if eQplll reinfiderei
h. an advance juilly merited by the Noble herd
who held that office, from the attention which he
paid,: and the very great attention which the Of.
lice demanded of him. :The buiinefs of Panto
ment, he laid, had increafed in A. very great de. '
gree within the laft tWo Salons ; and during the
luting, the whole •of that Noble LPrd's time was
occupied by it. The falary to, the Chairman of
the Houle of Lords, he faid, 'was Formerly paid
out of the Treafury, without any reference to that
Houfe, but bethought it the molt conflitutioma
method to bring it before the Houle as he IA
now. done. •He then proceetkd with ha motirus:
estoo,oool. to pay off 2schequer Billsior the year sErz...
so,llsosl. SD: sod. to make good Money paid lr. his W.ar,
purfuant to Addreffes of that Houfe.
Bs7L zu. to Bernard Cobb, Eft? few addit.onsu talk:" to
Clerks, in the /scheqieer.
sal. gate Joie ph White, Erg. for the purasafe of oki hesfea
to carry on the Works of the New Mastwifea. .
lice:el. to Arthur Young, Efq. for Premiums paidbl the .I,Nis
cultural Society.
anrxd to the Sierra Lrone Company, for theCifil Ehabiith.
maai-of that Colony for one year.
2,soo,cenol. Tor the Army Eatraordinarica for Great Britaih,
for the year 1801,.... .
000,00 ob for the Army Extraorclinaries of Ireland, Be i the
year tem.
. The Refolutions were agreed to, and the report
ordered to be received to‘morrow. ..
HUSH 11211,1111tt DIegyALIFICATION SILL,
On-the qui:Rion for the third reading of this Bin,
Sir JOHN PARNELL, though he did not condemn
the exclulion of perfons from 'that Houfe; whb
hold places. of emolument in Ettgland, did nut
Think the fame principle every way applicable to
L Ireland. On the contrary, it was definable that -
there fhould be perf:ons from other Boards, as Will
tie the Treafory, in order to afford information to
the Hooks for which purpore he moved; by way
of amendment, that the- Firft Comninffioner of
Citlttirts inliViiiilliarfVe-eicliT) eaTuTin-flie-en.
elution. I-le aeeeimpanied. this with Many hand-
fcmte coMPliments 'to the. charaOtr. talents, and
intlidtcy,-,oll4.'lleieifordb the prefeittTift Com%
iniffitmer.
Mr. &store alto profefed the nemotl tetei
for the talents:and integrity of the Gentleman al.
laded to, but would not sonfent to make any e.-
ceptiinsinfavonr ofanindividnal of Ireland, while
the exclufion -was general in. this country. The
Houfe .as not to look to .peyfons, but
sto the of-
fices theyliold ; and 'the '4.tifendinent was :the
more objeelionable, as his predeceffors and per-
font concerned in the adminittration of L;ifla affairs,
had been imanitnotrfly of ppinian that the Offices
of Firfl Connniffioner. of the Clittorns, and of it:-
venue, now held conjointly by the fame perfce,
Mould, for *the.public benefit,' he feparated, and
the former abolillted. As Mr.. beresford was ad.
mitted to petrels 'great talents"fcirbtifinefs, it vas
the more definable flat he fhindelattenci to his of-
fiCial duty, inflead of fitting iir that Houfe; and,
as to communications • with thnt.,Houfe,• there
would be no, difficulty in their beintoccationaly
made, without the niece lity of having a feat in .
Parliament. • .
Mr. LEIGH declared himfelf to be againff the
Amendtnent.
~Lia..,, .
. Mr. Matrix tot lwaylwas on the lame fide.
. and declared, that when he' ould refign the fmall
Office he hirtifelf now held under the CrAwn, he
would be able to give a more Arentiqus fupport to
the Adminillration than he did ai psefcnt. The
Amendment 1:r thought incompatible wi. *the 4th
Article of the Union. •
Mr. A i n xs li in it reprefented it to hi a lxiint of
,model), in the lafapeaker not to .giVe•Mlnifters
the fame firennouslupport Advr.which he meant
to do after reigning his 'plane..' Hellti4e did
not believe there were twelve TAW Ifflemters lb that
Houle who' hold places ilia; figblidted,thifn to
the influence of the Crown. .. . ' •-• '
Dr. LAWRENCE faid,he thould'rella the Amend-
ment. While Ireland had a feintinie Patlititnent
'he confidered it to be shore under the ittlitence of
the Crown ihan the-Parliament of Great:teitiOn;
but now that they were united he -thboght the
fame dirqualifiCatton Amid extend tb both, in
order to Phew the peoPle of both countries that the
Imperial Parliament rifpoZted its own ptirity and
independence. If the Firft Commiflioner of the
Irifh Ctiflolns st-as to berefident in England,. that
very circumflance would difqualify him frern.t.he
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means.of being able to afford Inch, informaticts as
the Houfe might find it. neceffitry to demand.
Mr. Coors fpoke againa the Amendoitett, as
did Mr. Moons, who laid he could not &Went to a
m:rafbre that mutt apptav odious to the people of
Ireland. He, howevett, t4.ed the merits of
Mr. Ileresfbrd, though , d been always in a
floe of political hothlity
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Mr. Maar: a (of Galway) explaiitecttafter which
the Amendment was negatived, and the Bill read
a third time and pallid.
1N *newt. LAW IN tit BLEND.
Mr.*Assor !noted the Order of theday for the
Houk to refolve itfelf into aCtimmittee on the Ibis,
Martial Law Bill.
Mr. Dawson rofe,and in a rpeech offirvat lenvit
and warnithileprecateil any further conficieration
of the Biil, slpccially et fo tate all hoar, dod wh..,
r. few of the Members for Ireland, pethaps not Cs,