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London, England, 1831-10-14 00:00:00

The House went info Co.mmittee.

FRENCH PA PERS.

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and the,:. ten must he taken out of a limited number, for
they must be qualified to fill such offices, lath:re:a qualifica-
tions never entered the heads of these who appointed a com-
mission under the pre,: rt system. There wen: instances of
persons being appointed Cummiasioners before they w..re
cancel to the bar at all. The hon. and learned gentleman
h,n entirt.d into a defe: ea of the details of the Bill, and
answered the i.ret.nierts advanced a:nainst it. He could not
see why four Jutlges should not sit in a Court of Equity as
well as in a Crum of Lew. If it v.- cc send In the 1 ttc r, why
shotild it ~ot be good in the for.:er ? Ile th.li pi:cc:teed tol
eour.are the cxprose under the prearnt eyetzm, and• that
%Inch wonlil be ex: veiled under the prop:es:el Bill, ohs:rain;
thlt the 70 C menissioners received Lel to the amount of
:..i1.0400 a-year, , h -re's the misers: of tie Cmmissionas ap.
poin-rd ..r. 'er thi Bill would be only 2EOOOI. a-year.
Alticrytati WOOD, iv reply to an I:+s:union male by
an !Iv.. ana kernel member 111714, tr, e fiert that the
citir.l.s. of hot elf a di 1 not ash for thi, el,ange. ett:encd that
the citiz.nv of Livid, n had been cemplaiviti far years of ti
present spies •, m d particularly ..f the !neon- :nt..ncy of th :
commission:Ts to discharse the tlhti;a of :heir or.lce. Ha
never roet any one at-. these e. :mission:la who :as
versed in oemunts. T. is mea:on: wa. of ',Treat lorpirrtanes
to the countyy at lay,, btf vt.ore pneticularly to the roes.
chants of Ilint !col. He Car .1 •at for the pren.nage which
it would confer o.s the Lord Oinneellne, !welded it proved
beneficial to the country nt lame. He tight that ti.: part
which ttl oat tr: the aprintment of offi.ial ari3nees re-
quired to I 7 en,l:4
111 r. SIIIEL a:1 :awl th:t lithe hill waN a had one, and
that it es:abll la. A',;.arch paste's -r, it w iuld be highly
censurable; bit: if it 1.4. s usefol hill, the pa enrage should
form no of j:et ion to it. H: s.as tell r..--rz that stune m.n
of entinLas.c at th• t..r • era oppo this measure; but
their oppn.-ition tonst ati,.: front a prlo.ice to .vards a sys-
tem which ppm: at! I.triteira. 1.. rd etnlam said
that the pr. fe,:sio:: via: so vovet• tec-thcr, end ao notch
under tic influence ni prejodize, that if a person touched a
thread of r enh hin Westioinpur he wo.tld be im-
mediately tvtlekeal by all the anklets in it. (laulliter.)
Mr. Alderman TROMP:AM thovght there were so
many ebjectiona to the Bill in itspresent state, that it ought
to be referred to a Select Committee. The Bill required
all a bankrupts assets to he paid into the hands of the lie-
countant-Gentral—r name that struck horror into the
mind of every mercantile man. He had some hundred
pounds in the hands of the Accountant-General, and was
advised:that it would be all ::baorbed in the expense of get-
ting it out.—(Hear, hear).
Mr. BURGE the/tight if the Commissional' were ap-
pointed, under circumstances that would enable them to
give up their whole time to their official duties, they would
form a perfectly competent tribunal, and all would be done
that was necessary to remedy every existing evil.
The House divided.

Ayes lO7
No

Majority

Sir C. IVETIIERELL, in the Committee., moved to
omit all the words from the clans: that related to the Judges,
and to provide that the Court consist of ono instead of four
Judges.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL dcferdcd the bill, and
regretted that the hot,. and learned gentian:lr had felt it re-
quisite for the third time, aml the third Lvening, to eppose
the bill with the same arguments, and almost with the ?rune
words.

Mr. WRA NG HA M anal Mr. GEO. BANKES sup-
ported the 411,e1i1l II: "nr.
Sir C. WETHE it ELL denounced the Bill as the rankest
political and judicial job that had ever cluracteriszd
urpa-sed ;my thing dove by Cardioal Wolscy, who
was such a witch s.l elt ale rin places andpat ranage. They were
told that this 11:;1—like atiottur Bill—must pass should
pass; but though the order came from tho Woolsack, he
should obey nu such order. He should not obey the Car-
dinal Lay Lord Chancellor.
The Commi‘tee then divided. The numbers wen—
For the amendment ... .. 19
Against it ... . 71

514joritv against the amendment 52
Sir C. IVETII ERE LL condemned the next clause as
making the Commissioners irremovable; he Fupposcd the
next bill would be to make my Lord Chancellor Brougham
irremovable.

Clius: agreed to.
Lord STORMONT moved that tie debate be adjourned.
—(No, no.)
Sir C. WETHERELL—I ay ye., yes ! because I do
not choose to submit to the ordinances of my Lord Chancel-
lor, or of any man.
Lord ALTHORP said, he did not wish to press the de-
bate to the inconvenience of the honourable and learned gen.
eleman.—( Hear. )
Debate adjourned again till this day, and the House
resumed.

Lord ALT HORP moved that the House go into a Com-
mittee on the Suess Refinery Bill.
Mr. HUGHES li UGHS, on account of the lateness of
the hour (half-pant two), moved that the House adjourn.
After an extended discussion the House divided on it.

For the Amendment l2
Agninu it 49

Majority against it.... 37
Mr. IL GORDON then opposed the committal of the
bill.

Mr. P. THONISON said delay would altogether endan.
get the bill, as the parliament would last only a few days.
The adjournment of the debate till this day was moved
and allowtd.

All the other orders were also postponed, and the House
adjourucd at Half-past Three o'Clock.

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE.

CHAMBER Or DErCTIES.—. SITTING OF OCT. 10.
Al. lierenger, the Reporter of the Committee, summed
up the discussion on the Peerage Bill. He recapitulated
the various opinions emitted during the Debate, sod opposed
the syste.tis of elections and candidature as to render the two
Ch.tnibers completely homogenous. He then recurred to
the question of hereditary descent, reminding the Chamber
that to owlish it woeld be to annihilate a right which was
acquired by the greatest services, and which had becomel
vested by a possession of 46 years' duration. The revo-
lution of July could not be so decidedly opposed to
hereditary descent as was pretended, since it bad made
the Crown hereditary. lo conclusion, he called on
the Chamber not to forget that the Session of 1830 had
created a King, but that the Constitution of the Bio-
natchy belonged to the Session of 1831.
The President announced that twenty.six amendments
had been proposed, each of rhich embraced a system more
or less complete. He therefore suggested that each para-
graph of the Bill, with the amendment* relating to that
paragraph, should be discussed separately.
An animated conversation then wok place on the order ha
which the paragraphs should be discussed. 11. Mcrilhon
proposed that as the question of hereditary privilege was the
most important, that should be that disposed of, although
the paragraph relating to it was thi.el in the Bill. This pro.
position aas aupponed by 11cF4's. de, Moshourg, Solvate de
Tracey, and Oddion Barton, aid opposed by the Keeper of
the Seals and Moan. Blither Alontjau, Itenovard, thaw,
and Domaine, the latter of whom stated that he oppesed
the proposition as logically r: rang, since it was necessary to
decide how a i'ecr was to he transinhsible. This was his
only motive for oppssing it, as he himself intended to vote
against an hereditary peerage.
The Chamber decided that the question of hereditary
descent should fits: b: entered upon.
M. JAY and 31. Ruour succeitaively argued in support of
their respective urocad tents, both of which were nearly to the
sante effect, viz. the transmission of the peerage by heredi-
tary descent in n direct line only ; but M. knout's being
more fully worded, that of M. Jay was riithdrawn.
General LAMAH.Mit said, that he could understand that
the Indians might believe that the Brahmins cause from the
head of Brame; but he could not understand how, in a
country not buried in superstition, it could be believed that
a father could beque.ith his mind and talents to his son. He
opposed the amendment.
Al. ele LAMESH rcroached the Ministers for having after-
their late success given way to a false public feeling, and
stated that, from a flint conviction that an hereditary peer-
age was necessary to the stability of the Constitution, he
felt bound to support the amendment.
The Chamber then wait to the ballot, and the numbers
were declared to be--

... 66

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Adjourned.
Against 324
Majority against an hereditary peerage

LONDON, FRIDAY, OCT. 14.

ONE O'CLOCK, THIS DTATTI7C .nonntsr_, BAH
reeneer, 29.60. Wea.hcr. Llom ,17 raja. Wind S. W.
In the present feveri,li state of the whole coun-
try, the measures which Government may adopt
are of the most important character. It is
generally euderstood, that Cee pr; rogation is to
tithe place on Tuesday; b t the derntion is a
very soleisin question—created at once by public
impatience, eed by ten ,houeand interests, which
are held in abeyance by the rospension of the
BILL. Public keling alone eould b 3 jestifiable
after the time wastes!, and after the cup has
been brought to their very lips; but it is
not now a question of intro feeling, for the
agita.ion suspends both enterprize and industry,
though these aro not identified wish the Bill—for
there has beet, consentaneons sort of ageement
among ince that sundry affairs should await this
public settlement, and by sympathy shis sentiment
has iufluenced every transaction of life, to the
prejudice of every class and intereel? An adjourn-
ment, the,ti:re, for three months, would be like an
adjournkiebt for ever; and we venture to assert,
would grievously- disappoint and exazperato the,
whole nation. If such a design is entertained,
it must have arisen from remoteness from
society, and horn ignorance of the temper
of the country. We have precedents of proroga-j
tions even for three days, and the public were not
unprepared for ten, fourteen, or twenty-one days ;1
but would ne indignant at being called upon to
endure n suspension for such a period as three
months. Were it demonstrated to be neces-
sary and unavoidably, that necessity would be
submitted to, whatever might be the sacrifice;l
but after Lord Aeetione's repeated declaration;
that the House should sit till Christmas, or till Christ-
mas twelvemonth, if the Bill were not carried —r
pledge on which the public have relied—au abey-
ance in the proceedings for three months, mead
be borne, to say the least, with a very ill grace.
The London deputation very properly pressed this
point on the attention of Lord GREY, and his au-
swer was equivocal ; and though the public have
becoming cenfideace in Ministers, yet unless the
Ministers themselves could feel what the public
had been obliged to endure for so many eienthe,
their decision may be made without that view of the
whole case which should lead to a wise, prudent,
and satisfactory determination. To-morrow we
may be enabled to deer up this point; but the
notion of a three months prorogation received
countenance last night in an observation of Lord
HOLLAND upon a petition.
Our Paris express of this morning brings French
journals which are filled with exultation. on the
decision of the Chamber of Deputies against the
HEREDITARY PEERAGE, which the charter had in-
corporated in the French constitution, but which the
revolution of July had referred to ulterior consi-
deration. This question has placed the French na-1
tion at issue with the Peerage, and it is determined
by an immense majority, that the House of Peers
shall, in future, be subject to some species of se-
lection or election.

At the same time, it is not a little singular that the
majority of Peers in England should at this crisis
have also placed themselves at issue with the
Bri-
tish People, insomuch that it is not impossible, how-
ever much it may be regretted, that hereditary,
legislation may become a question in England, as
it has been in France. The French Journals are
therefore filled with observations on both subjects,
and we propose to-morrow to give a specimen of
these Parisian reasonings in our last page.
Other foreign mails this morning present us with
the fifth and last act of the DEEP TR•OEDY OF
POLAND. Russian domination prevails, and the
heroic Poles are continuing to expatriate them-
selves. The account of the circumstances, though
given by insolent Russian and Prussian writers,
will draw tears from every man whose heart is
in the right place ; but we are obliged to postpone
them by the pressure of domestic incidents.

We lament that the public unanimity of the
nation should have been disturbed at so very im-
yrtant a place as MANCHESTER. The meeting
at that populous town being too large to be con-
tained within any building, the OUTS assailed the
INNS, and in opposition to the Boroughreevo and
the Committee, it was uproariously determined
to adjourn to an adequate open space. In conse-
quence, there was no suitable stage for the speakers
and the Committee, and the ultra-reformers obtained
a popular ascendancy. The usual resolutions were
therefore amended; and though Mr. SHUTTLE..
WORTH spoke with great eloquence in favour of
the Ella., yet doctrines in support of more ex-
tended Reform, and in opposition to the Con-
stitutional voice of the Peers, prevailed. This
opens a net: field, and proves what has been fre-
quently anticipated—that as the LORDS and the
Biswors have refused to concede the extremely
moderate Reform proposed by Ministers, a re-
action of public feeling will now demand more
than ever was desired or contemplated. How
far this discord may extend, it is impossible to con-
ceive; but MANCHESTER, in weight and import-
ance, is a fearful example. The language of the
speakers is also a lesson to Lords and Bishops,
who injudiciously opposed themselves to the consti-
tutional proposal brought forward by Ministers,
and which till now had experienced no public op-I
position whatever. They alone have generated an,

unfortunate and ill-timed re-action. It appears
to us that this is a further proof of the extreme
danger of a prorogation for three months. GOD
knows what may happen, in various senses, within
three monthslconsidering the present excitement,
of the people, and the incidents to which that ex-
citement may lead, in the gloomy months of No-
vember and December.

It has been positively asserted by several papers
that Lord PALM LIMON has not withdrawn from
the ministry, though the Morning Herald, which
announced the circumstance, and enlarged on
its advantages, still affirms that it is true,—
and will .be confirmed. Having considered
that paper as creditable authority, we took
the fact for granted ; and considered it proper
to state that we did not entertain any
increased apprehensions of the success of
the Reform Bill from such secession. At the same
time we re-echoed all those opinions about our
foreign policy, on which we have frankly com-
mented for many months past, without insinuat-
ing blame to his Lordship, since the state of our
finances palpably fetters all our external enter-
prizes.

Such being the plea—sure of the City House
of Lords, the Livery met this morning to choose
another Lord Mayor instead of Alderman THORP.
Mr. PEARSON proposed the Lord Mayor, and
Alderman TllostrsoN, the latter of whom he
named without any concert, and who he presumed
would resign, if capriciously preferred by the Al-
dermen, who, lie said, had been engaged in an
intrigue with Alderman WAITHMAN, to prevail
on him to become the second and their tool. Al-
derman THOMPSON prayed that he might not be
put in nomination ; and Alderman WAITHMAN
declared that he would not sacrifice a life
of forty-two years consistency, to be made a tool
of by the Aldermen. The uproar on this was
overwhelming —the Tories having mustered all
their strength, for the purpose of complicating
the question; but on a show of hands, those for
Alderman 'NA 'THY AN were, as usual, considera-
ble, yet the Lord MAYOR and THOMPSON pre-
vailed: on which Sir PETER LAURIE again de-
manded a poll, and the election is now proceeding.
We continue to-day those columns which have
so well sympathized with PUBLIC PEELING, that,
without exaggeration they have DOUBLED the
usual circulation of this paper, within a few days.
No other journal has equally studied the spirit of
the moment, and we shall persevere in a course
sanctioned by public approbation, till the excite-
ment has abated.

Lord HILL's Levee at the Horse Guards, w•as
attended by about fifty General and other Officers.

ROY.krEXCIIIiNIik, ONE O'CLOCK.
Consols, which left off yesterday at 811 1 for
the account, opened at 814 a, went up to 811 ; at
present they are 811 f. It is now stated that
Parliament will be prorogued to January on next
Monday ; in the interim, it is supposed that some
arrangement will take place with the opposition
lords to the reform bill, without the necessity of
creating new peers.

TWO O'CLOCK.
Consols were done at 81i for the account ; but
owing to some stock being thrown on the market,
they hare receded to 81i 1 and 811 for money.
THREE O'CLOCK.
Bank Stock, 191} 190. Tire, per Cent. Red. 8011 8111
ax div. Three per Cant. Consols, 801 I 811 lex dlr. Three
and a Half per Cent. 1818, 88 871 IS. Three and a Half
per Cent. Red. 88 871 11. Three and a Half per Cent.
New, 801 91. Four per Cent. 1826, 16} lex die. Long
Annuities. Jan, 1860, 16} lex die. Ann..,Oct. 18.19, —..
do. Jan. 1860, 161. India Stock, • do. Bonds. 3 2 dl..
.£lOOO Exchequer Bills, 7 8 7 9; C5OO do. 7 8 7 9; XlOO
and ,1200 do. 787 9. Console for Account, 811 11.
AMSTERDAM, OCT. 11.--Actual Debt, Two and a
Half per Cent. 37 37 ; Amort. Synd. Four and a Half, 57
581 ; Ditto Three and a Half, 47148}—Exchange on Lon-
don, 11-92 5-10 to 11-95 ; Two Months, 11.86.—DsticA
Papers, Ott. 12.

A report of the Marquis of Londonderry being
dead is not credited in the city.
The report of the cholera being in the neigh-
bourhood of Hamburgh causes some sensation
amongst the merchants, fearing the communica-
tion will be interropted.
The Election of Lord Mayor engrosses the atten-
tion of the citizens, who are repairing to the Hall
to witness the contest.

The Quebec paper of the 17th September, says
that eight of the unfortunate passengers of the Lady Sher.
brook. which lately suffered shipwreck on the coast of New-
foundland, presented themselves yesterday to the Emigrant
Society at Montreal, to be forwarded to Upper Canada.
One of them, a man of 60 years of age, lost his wife and all
his children, seven in number. These passengers assert
that the captain and mate were both in a state of beastly 1
intoxication. The captain in particular was obliged to be
carried to bed by three men on the evening of the fatal
calamity.
A conference of the Foreign Ambassadors was
held the night before last, which continued in deliberation
until between three and four o'clock yeslorday morning.
Sir Robert Adair, ambassador at the Court of
Belgium, who, together with his suite, have been living
at the Hotel Bell-Vue ever since his arrival In Brussels, hat
taken an elegantly furnished house on the east side of the
Park.

On the Reform bill in the House of Lords, all the
Catholic Peers but one (Lord Arundel) voted for the bill ;
and, in the House of Commons, all the Catholic Members,
except one (Sir Thomas Constable) voted for the bill.
It is rumoured that Sir John Wrottesley is to be
elevated to the Peerage.
The deputies, representing the flint glass mann-
facturen of England and Scotland, headed by Sir John
Wrottesley, Mr. Uttleton, Captain Spenar, Alderman Ve.
sables, Mr. Ewart, Mr. Wood, &c. M.P's. bad an interview
with the Chancellor of the Exchequer, yesterday morning foe
the purpose of ascertaining his views as to the duties
on flint glass; when his Lordship stated that it was not his
intention to repeal them.
COAL OWNERS AND PITMEN AT NEWCASTLE.
—The long continuance of the strike naturally pre rise, af-
ter the men returned to their employment, to a great demand
for coals. The owners are unable to supply that demand,
because the pitmen immediately cease working after they
earn four shillings a day. Nothing will induce the men to
week longer than the time neeesawy to earn four shillings,
though the masters are anxious that they should do so, and
thoughi they might, if they choose, many of them earn eight
is per day. On Saturday last the owners of Cakr.
ton colliery, finding that several of their pitmen would not
work because some lead miners had been introduced, applied
tom the County Magistrates, and got a dmen of them can-
ttad to Morpetis pol.