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paw should esibie us to diminish our taxes,
keeping inviolable faith with the public monitors,
suthcient peace establishment.
These were the Resolutions he had s.
after hearing. them, let any person emu
those propositions were calculated to defrau.
lie creditor, or to dingaish the piaeisiort fey
tient peace establishment. fie wished tp impress
this as a general maim, that if a great sera was ne-
cessary, it Was better to raise it *direct taxes upon
thole who were thg best able to pay , them, than
throngh the spediem ot aq indirect tasation, atccting
the poor, or those who were nor able to pay them.
All taxes of that kind were, in fact, taxes upon the
consumer. if their Loxdships were to go into a Ge-
neral Committee to examine the subject, they would
and it to be the case, aPfl be enabled to suggest a
proper system for remedying the evil, instead of the
ridiculous absurd expedtents proposed by the new
Budget. A system prey then be established on the
Part of their Lordships, .that would enable the far-
mers to havereliefwithout recurring te snag
The J,ORD CHANCELLOR rose, (to a ques-
tion otOrder) and observed, that he hoped that any
of their Lordships when they spoke, would be glad
enough to attend to the rule, and that they would
speak re order. •
• the Karl of CHARLEVILLE presented a Peti-
tion from the county of Waterford, very numerously
=l4 respectably signed, in favour of the Corn
apd praying their. Lordships attention to the agrictil-
twat interests of ireland.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented one to
the tame effect, from the county ot Kerry, in the
same trait of the United Kingdom. His Lordship,
s;aerd a few; words, relative to the nature of the !deit-
ies, and explaioing the cause why the Petition was
sexed he the. High Sheriff only.
The LCIRD CHANCELLOR stated, that the,
petition, c.or,sistently with the orders of the Hettse.l
ceuld be received as that only of the person or persons
subscribing the same; and he writhed it to be under-
swirl, that in cases where petitions were signed by
certain persons, as in behalf of all those who were
present, the House could' not receive any such, ex.'
rcpt es the petitions Of those who actually signed them.
The pennon in question was then received, anti
orideied to lie on the table, as that of the subscribing
iudiyidual.
Le.rd GRENVILLE said, he held in his hand a
Petioon from a Parish at the East end of the Metro-
polis, signed by between seven and 8000 persons,
and in the short interval of between 12 and 18 hours.
Ile mentioned this circumstance as an additiOnal or
Corroborating prOof of the general, nay, of the uni-
versal feeling which prevails in every part of the
country to which a knowledge of the measures, now
in contemplation, has been suffered to teach, respect-
ing the injurious, the fatal consequences which must
necessarily follow. He had been told that doubts
have been entertained as to what was the real feeling
of the general mass of the population in this country.
Unless he was greatly. misinformed, no hurry that
could he used on this subject, however distressing. it
may be to see the Legislature running a race with
the subjects of the country, in order to pass a una-
rm= before they could express their opinions ; yet he
believed no precipitation could prevent the expression
atilt
,gencsal sentiment or feeling, as the signature
of petitions against the measures, not only -by that
class of individuals—by those who were the most
likely to be directly and immediately affected by
their operation—but by respectable landholders—by
opulent merchants—by persons not likely to feel
themselves so immediately affected by measures op-
plpiug ea the iunnediata necessaries of life—all
praying that no change may take place in the
taws; and all urging the well-founded sentiment,
that uo *huge can take place in these laws, wEil.
'Out awing, in a most fatal manner, the inte-
rests ofUbe whose interests, it was supposed, would
ty these` Measures be benefited. He • tegretted his
ahunce when some discussion took place on this sub-
ject. He regretted that any opportunity was omitted
by him of raising his voice against a measure which,
he sincerely believed from the first, to be pregnant
:with the most injurious consequences,' He should
stow only, say, that lie hoped and trusted—th4t be
beggede and implored those, who, no doubts enter-
amed different sentiments respecting the measure;
that if if ihentild pass, yet that it may not be passed
with any. appearance of hurry pr precipitation—that
810 impression may exist in the Minds of those who
think and feel their hrterestsdeeply affected, that there
Bid not exist on the part of Parliament the Most earnest'
desire to receive all, the information that could be laid
before them,. as to tl:e details of the measure, which
seemed yet to be very imperfectly investigated. He
Sould not conceive any possible good that could arise
from precipitation ; brit; on the contrary, much of an'
injtirioes tendency. trout its being suppOied that such
precipitation was used *with any 'hope or with any
view cf shutting out from Parliament the representa-'
tions of the people.
The Noble Lord also presented the Petition,which
was from the Parish of St. Luke's, in_the Comedy. of
Middlesex.
His Lordship then presented one from the town
and neighbourhood of Woolwich, in Kent, signed, he
said, by betwcen five and 6000 persons, both against
any alteration being made in the Corn Laws.
These, as well as all the praying Petitions, were
ordered to lie on the Table.

A few Private Bills were brought up from the Com-
mons, by Sir THOMAS FILANKLAND. and other Mem-
bers, and read a first time.

AVERAGE PRICE OY WHEAT, OATS, &C.
The Earl of DARNLEY rose to move foran ac-
count of the Average Prices of Wheat, Oats, &c.
irom the year 1804 to 1813, both inclusive, at various
periods within that interval. The Noble Earl was of
opinion, thine specifications would tend much to en-
12ghten the very important subject the House would
Live to consider, and their Lordships would see from.
these returns, that when the average prices exceeded
775. or were nearly W, the• price of the quartsrn loaf'
VaS only 125 k He then briefly adverted to the opi.,
:riot) he had swedyesterday on thictopie, and which'
Ile bowed to tioalutajp4 deeming it scarcely pouible
I,hatsinder any miserelplasion, that a price far ex-
ceeding -110 s. wouldArsng, the price of the quarters'
ouf to• 184,1. or an/ tit'
lam * .10.1* jr.
Lord QR.EN,ItUf oepiaion, though the
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101041444 aloa•Alsipir y• his Noble Friend was of
evasidaabje Saspostsuick ) et to bring that part of the

pro&
IdWELL/MEDI*
On the suggestion of Lord agpLIDALx, the case of the
Boithiath Peerage was ordered in hi taken into father con*
4emtinn on Thursday, the 15th instant.
41. short Fonyersatios took place Itemises peed Gazwemil.
the Leap ena tie in.r.oaj awl the Earl of Leven:4'4, relative
io the'ffebton Blectitin Bill, now pending baton the House, in
' whidi the ant mentioned Peer urged the preeriety of baring
tome distinct day at a- ea* estty period at thalaster Recess,
heed for %be COnfierellipl of the nweenro, Ho ober* It was
necessary the oc4cr should be set the iubjigt 411(9re the re•
teas, and slightly adverting to the Orden made last Feast" when
a similar Sill was before the House; Mena to intimate his in-
tention to propose the (attar cooliderMion el the subject on
Moaday.
The Report of the Scott Juries Bill belegttheit 4uo creshieri•
don, some further dismission of the subject, in width the IeORD
ChANcLLLOI, the Earls of Leonetti's."' and iiiinwors, aid
Lord Gar NVILLI were the Speakers, mein farther amendments,
particularly on the point of constit oda; theiuriss. woof adopted.
Lord UKENVILLE, in concleslont szpremed bla enrobadon
of the measure, and generally, of 414 Ateration that tad been
made. He particularly' approved of the provision for bringing
the subject annually ander the consideration of Parliament.
The Earl of MORTON shortly expnsied his disapprobation

of the measures
The itellort being agreed to, the Bill wee ordered to be en-
grossed, and the House immediately adjourned till Monday.

HOUSE OF COMMONS. • '
Lord F. Osooattit presented a Petition from Hertfordshire,
aglinst any revival of the Property Tax.—Ordered to lie on the
Table.
The Ramsgate Harbour Bill was read a second time. after
some observations. from S:r W. CURTIS, Mr. P. Moods, Sir C.
Mo out, Mr. Serpant Be. r, Mr. LidiliToll, Sir H. MONTirir
assay, Sir E. KNATCaIuLL, Mr. Warirraii.gT, Mr. Alder-
man s Sir J. NLWFURT, Mr. Cracitary, and General
GASCOT Ye, and ordered to be committed.
A Message from the Lords announced that their Lordships
had agreed to the Exchequer Bills Bill, without making any
amendment.
Mr. MALTA!, presented from the Corn Exchange Accounts of
the Weekly Returns of the Average Prise of Wheat and Flour
sold in the City of London, from the 37th of the King to the pre.
sent time.—Ordered to be printed.
A person from the Common Pleas presented wi Amount of
all Fees received on Dockets within the last seven yeamemtOrde•
rsd to lie on the table.

PETITIONS AGAINST THI CORN BILL.
Mr. ROSE presented a Petition from Clerkenwell,
'very numerously signed, against any alteration ita the
Corn Laws.—Ordered to liq on the table.
Mr. G. LAN TON presented a Petition from
Tiverton and sundry other parishes against any alte-
ration in the Corn Laws.—Ordered to lie on thesable-
A Petition was presented from Rochdale against
the Corn Laws.—Ordered to lie on the tabk.
Lord G. BE R ESFO RD presented a Petition from
the County of Waterford against the Corn Laws.—
Ordered to lie on the table.

Mr. FINLAY presented a Petition from theTrades'
House, Glasgow, against any alteration in the Corn
Laws.—Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. P. MOORE presented a Petition from the
City of Coventry against any alteration in the Corn
Laws at the present moment, as its tendency would
be so materially to affect the commercial and trading
classes of the community : it was signed by upwards
of nine thousand persons. He trusted that, in mov.
in g for leave to bring tic this Petition.. he should be
indulged iu a few words, as they were due to his con-
stituents. They had borne all the burthens of the
war (at least an ample share of those burthens) with.
the most exemplary patience.—(l#ar, hear, hear )
They saw the difficulties with which the war fixed
the country ; but they justly looked forward to the
period when peace should arrive, as the tim; when
the nation would be relieved from many of its bur-
thens. It seemed, however, that they, in common
with the country at large, were to be disappointed.
Their opinions on this measure still were what they
last year expressed them to be : they remained w-
ithered, or it they bad altered, they were more deci-
dedly against the principle of the Bill. Such he be-
lieved to be the case with the whole country, and
that if the opinion of the people hall altered since last
year, it bad only altered in extent against the MU.
sure • for he felt convinced, that where the House re•
ceived fifty Petitions last year against the proposed
alterations, they would this year receiire five hundred,
should the 13411 be persevered in. Thd Petitioners
had expressed the tear that its promoters were at-
tempting to hurry the measure through the House,
without giving fair time to the country to express an
opinion on it; and from what be had seen, he regret-
ted to say that he thought they had properly ex-
pressed such fear. He trusted the House would see
the propriety, at consulting their own dignity and the
feelings of the people, by proceeding with that deli-
beration which would allow the country time to ex-
press their opinion; (Or if they did not, it would give
the people but too much reason to say that the House
. .
had decided their cause without hearing their evi-
dence.—( liar.)
Mr. BUTTERWORT?, (the other Member for
Coventry,) seconded the Motion; observing,, that
nearly the whole population of that City had signed
this Petition, which besought the Mouse not to make
any alteration in the Corn Lawa at prowl*. He
thought it was the duty of the House to pay noconi-
mon attention to such Petitions; and as the extraordi.'
nary rise which had recently taken place in the price
of grain had already created a serious alarm through.
out the country respecting the tendency of this mea-
sure, he hoped that time would be allowed to enable
the House to learn what the opinion of the Nation
really was on the subject. To precipitate the mea-
sure could do no good, and might be productive of
much harm. As to the course which be should pur-
sue, he should most undoubtedly support the lower
of the Petitioners in every stage of the Bill.
The Petition was, theu brought up, read, and orde-
red to lie on the table.
Mr. CALygier presented. a Petition from the
Parish of Christ Church, florrey, preying that no al.
teration might be made in the Corq,Law.s. The
olthr ' -

4 pp,
p4latiop __ parish amounted, toi 1.009, including
women and children, and, go Petition was signed by
upwards of 3QOO persons, Although the Retitionen
did not complain of having borne a7l the burdens of
the war, (likt those of Covegtry, according to an Ho.
nourable Member, Mr. P. Moore) they just4l7. urged
the extensive burdens which they had bprne, and
with nnexampted patience, in common with, the rest
of the country, as reasons ag4inst ,11 die WA?
4ency of Which they could not degas

Pe.
. was then broogbi
&rod to lie on the tablet
Sir EDWARD KNATCHBULL presented a
Petition from Woolwich against any revision of the
Corn Laws, signed by several thousand persons.—
Ordered to lie on the table.
, Mr. Alderman ATKINS presented a Petition
from the Ward of Bishopsgate against the Property
Tax. signed by upwards of 3,000 persons.—Ordered
to lie on the table.
4.5 H. DALRYMPLE presented a Petition from
the county of Ayr, against any revival of the Property
Ti;. and any revision of the Corn Laws.—Ordered
to lie on the table.
Mr. MELLISH presented Petitions from Saint
Mary's, Whitechapel, and sundry other Parishes,
which he did not name.—Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. SHAW LEFEV RE presented a Petition from
Reading, praying that no alteration might be made
in the Corn Laws. It was signed by upwards of 3900
people, and the number of signatures would 113ve
been considerably increased but for the haste which
the Petitioners found it was necessary use in sending
up their Petition.—Ordered to lie on the table.
A Member presented a Petition from St. Clement's
Danes, Westminster, against any alteration in the
Corn Laws.—Ordered to lie on the table.

MARINE MUTINY ACT.
Mr. CitOKER moved for leave to bring in a Bill
to regulate his Majesty's Marines when on shore, &c.
As it was simply a renewal of the usual Marines'
Mutiny Bill, detail would be unnecessary.—Leave
given. Mr. Croker afterwards broUght in the Bill,
which was read a first time, and ordered to be lead
a second time on Monday next.

PRIVATE PETITIONS
The SPEAKER deemed it right to inform the
House, that on Monday next was the last day for
receiving Private Petitions, and that as such was the
case, he should take the Chair at a quarter past three,
it enabled to do so by the attendance of Members.
• CORN BILL.
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the Exam-
QUER that this Bill be read a second time :
Mr. LAMBTON deprecated the haste with which
such an important measure was attempted t 4 be hur-
ried through its stages, and stated that from his con-
viction of the propriety and necessity of delay, it was
his intention to move, that instead of now, the Bill be
read a second time this day six months. He would
never consent that a measure should pass that HOWE
against which the voice of the people had been so ge-
nerally anal unequivocally expressed.
Mr. J. SMITH was also in favour of delay. He
observed that the distress of the farmer had been great
from the distress of credit, and not from the quantity
of corn imported. The corn of our last harvest wasl
also of an inferior quality, by which the farmer had
sustained a loss. It had been asserted that this coun-
try could grow corn enough for its own consump-
tion : he was of this opinion, though the quantity
produced in the last two years might justify a con-
trary inference. As our population had so greatly
increased within the last •ten or twelve years as to
amount to 17 or 15,00,000 more than when the pre.
ceding census was taken, of course an increase of
agriculture was necessary for their subsistence.—
When, therefore, it was clear that this subject affec-
ted the whole population of the country, he thought
that much more tiMe ought to be given to tli cicisi-
deration of it than it had-yet received, if it were only
to obtain the sense of the country, by the reception
of the numerous petitions that were in preparation.
—The subject of the average had not, in his opinion,
undergone sufficient discussion. It was also desirable
to hear further evidence, that the House might see
its way more fully. lie had read the evidence of
last year ; and was not convinced Item it, that the
yet ecting price ought to be Ms. ; because the per.
toils who so expressed thomselves had formed their
opinion from the state of the taxes, and the price of
labour at the time. If labour should fall 15 or 20
per cent. unquestionably the farmer would be bent:.
Stec!, and enabled to sell his corn at a cheaper rate.
He thought that a fall in the price of labour was in-
levitable ; for though it had been said, that when the
Militia were disbanded, and the Seamen still em-
ployed were discharged, these great numbers of per-
turbs who would be thrown on the public would not
be inclined to labour, yet he was of a different opi-
Dion. Persons who bad been abroad, or pent up tor
years on ship-board, were always anxious to return
to labour when they got home, and this would taus:
the price of labour to fall. Then, when this happen-
ed, there could be no question that 755. or even 11'1.1
would be a fair protecting price. He was p:rsuaded,
that if the Bill was precipitately passed, it would
have the effect of exciting disaffection and tumults.
He was aware that the agricultural interest was as
important as any other in the country ; but if greater
time were not given for the consideration of the sub-
ject, it might be supposed that the decision bad been
produced by interested motives. On these grounds
he should second the Amendment.
Mr. BABINGTON agreed with the Honourable
Gentleman who spoke last. While it was admitted
`ohm respect should be paid to agriculture, and that
the people should be fed from their own soil, the
claims of commerce ought not to be forgotten. Our'
navy could not be kept up without foreign trade ;--
and manufactures could not be produced, unless la-
bour and all things dependent upon it were precut.-
able at a reasonable rate. The Hon. Gentleman'
then alluded to the improved state of the Continental
manufactories, in proof of the struggle which our'
trade would have to make for future success, and
contended, that as commerce and manufactures were
OUT natural amity, we ought to take care not to,
press any pqint that might endanger them. He
thought, that as the price of labour and the rents of
landkought end would gradually sink to what they
were.in 14)4, that 80s. was far too high as the per-
manent protecting price of corn. No doubt corn
could be grown much cheaper in Ireland than in this
country, even as cheap as in France, where the ex-
port Kohibitpry price is fixed it. 401. If therefore
the Nish farmer had SSA., he would. have a sufficient
.stimulus.f.or Mending his icultural pursuits ; and
'Wk. with ARland). wois2 go very far toward
stlßßlying,our wants. The ',natural rise that had
titkew. Pc, *Mts. Irak owing to. thik unnatural
chars, of @tents since 1.66, and they tnust be re.

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trait the pub- sir 'ere submsited to the effeit stated, and the accounts
q? 44:4 ttlf":, ordered to lie produied accordingly.

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