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SATtYRDAY, JULY 26, 1842%

PARLIAMENrior PROCEEDINGS.

ject Odle present Bill, it was necessary that the OF-
eters of the Church should leok to its interests, its
laws, and its discipline, so that no alteration might
affect them by the measure before the House, and
that was the Object of the clause alluded to by the
Noble Earl.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL stated, that this Pro-
viscileft the Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction exactly where
it was, and that if any alteration was wished -to be
Made, it ought to be brought forward as a substan-
tive measure.
Lord HOLLAND agreed in this opinion, and
observed, that the question of the Ecclesiastical Ju-
risdiction was one of great importance and very corn-
. plicated, which required much consideration, and'
TOLERATION. • that to use an expression of his Noble Friend's (
The House resolved itself into a Committee on the Stattlele) it wierld be a tidy way of going to work,
Toleration Bill.
Earl STANHOPE again commented upon the to effisct that Jurisdiction by a side wind, through the
medium of an Amendment in the present Bill.
inconsistency of that part, where it was provided
that an assembly of more than twenty persons, but observed, that there was no way of tidily amend-
ns, ex! Fart STANHOPE contended for his Amenderro,
elusive of the family of the house where such con-
ing the present Bill.
gregatem was convened, should be regularly regis. The Amendment was negatived.
tered ; but no such curt ficate was required for an as- FRAME-WORK KNITTERS' BILL.
sembly of persons to that number, or a less ; and yet
the Bill did not free the latter f
rom the penalties which The Earl of LAUDERDALE, in adverting to
this Bill, contended that it was founded upon most
were taken away from the former. mischievous principles of Legislation. A part of the
-
The LORD CHANCELLOR. objected to the
clause granting exemptions to preachers and teachers ißill went to interfere in the bargains made between
the master manufacturer, and his workmen, upon a
exercising any other profession or occupation ; con-
:principle sthich could not fail to produce the most
tending,. that complete justice was done to the prin- ; mischievous consequences ; and he mild net help
ciple of the Bill by the exemption pointed in the pre- observing, with relation to this point, that the idea
ceding clanse to preachers and teachers not esercio.lof some persons, that a minimum of wages would
ing any other rofession or occupation except that of be beneficial to the workmen employed, was the most
a schoolrreaster ; and that if persons of this descrip- .
, n mel mistaken on that had ever been conceived, for
Lion resorted to secular occupations, they t uelit, in the minimum must be,
return for the advantages derived from their 'secular 1 inevitable consequence of a
th -a in the case of a slackness of work, the Matters
occupations, to be l,able in the same manner as other I would discharge their workmen Altogether, rather than
persons to secular duties. He therefore moved to I employ them at the minimum of wages. The other
strike out the clause.
,part of the Bill was equally mischievous, it went to
Viscount SIDMOUTH did not express himself
friendly to the principle of the Bill, on the ground of prohibit an ankle of manufacture, on the alleged
!ground of its not being a good article, although- that.
what lie had formerly stated on this subject. It was
be regretted, not only that so much injustice should article was m great demand, not only in the interior,
to
arise as would res'Ult from the clause referred to on I but also for exportation. He could not conceive a
the present occasion, If it were not omitted ; but he more monstrous principle of legislation. What would
felt himself great regret that any person could pro- the people of Nottingham say, if an act were to be
passed w prohibit the manufacture of worsted and
cure himself to become a teacher without those qua-
lifications which it vets intended by the Toleration thread stocking=, upon the supposition that all per-;
sons would wear silk stockings ? and yet this was
Act and the 19th Geo. 111. that he should possess.
precisely the principle on which the present Bill pro-
It was unjust that any man, whatever might be les
seeded ; an article of low price was to be prohibited,
character, should have it in his power to recur 0 the
I
, Teach tine er or Preacher, only for office of a Dis•et.
stead of allowing the only just and proper principle
the purpose of procuring immunity from fillitig cer- to operate, namely, for the demand to regulate the , ,
taro secular offices, whereby the burden fell still he
' expedienta-
Lir evasion. He concurred, on those grounds of supply. He trusted that no similar legislative mea-
vier upon those who resorted to no suc'a
. 'sure would again be attempted to be introduced, and
: that this Bill would he unanimously rejected. His
public justce to society, in the motion made by his
ehle and Learned Friend. .
The Earl of LIVERPOOL tonctrredin opinion Lordship concluded by moving, that the Bill be read
N
I a 2dointe this day three months,
Lord HOLLN was
to acuisce in The Earl of LIVERPOOL entirely concurred
with the Lord Chancellor.
i with the Noble Lord, although he was satisfied of
striking out thi A D dispos
ed
s clause ; ' how fare if the
clause was struck out, Dissenting Ministers in the : the goodness of the motives which actuated the very I
respectable individual who introduced this Bill in the
possession of land, ahhe ugh following no other occu- other House, and the well-intentioned, though cer-
tainly the most mistaken views of those at whose in- 1
pati et, might be deprive.i of their exemptions.
stance it was introduced. He, however, thought
The Eat' of LAYJDZRDALE also entertained
ed proposed to insert words to the
Minister should not be de- there could not be a more mischievous principle of
the same doubt, a
legislation than that on which this Bill rested. It
effect, that a Dieeenting
privet' of his exr.nptions on account of the occupation had been well said in a foreign country, when it was
I asked what should be done to make manufactures
of I rom 25 to SO acres of land.
The LORD CHANCELLOR was of opinion, and I and commerce prosper ? the answer was,
Luster faire,
same rule in this respect would apply
Dissenting i: and it was undoubtedly true, that the less commerce
th it the sa
Ministers as did to the Clergy; namely.
and manufactures were meddled with by legislation,
the more they were likely to prosper. Were they
that although a Clergyman could not take land to
once to entangle themselves in the principles which
farm, yet that his being in possession of a lease of this Bill sought to establish, he knew not where they
1
land, in consequence of the death of a relation, or
i were to stop until the commerce and manufactures
his holding land in fee simple, was not considered in of the country were utterly ruined. It wes to ma-
law a taking to firm. This construction of the law
i shiner y that we owed our superiority in commerce
would alio, he conceived, be applied under this Act, ; and manufactures amongst the nations of the world.
to Dissenting Ministers ; so that their possession of
Lord HOLLAND entirely agreed in the senti
land, under such circumstances, would not deprive 'meats uttered by the Noble Eail and his Noble
%Item of exemptions. With respect to amendments,
; Friend, and also in doing justice to the excellence of
he thought some caution should he used, lest all the
by the BM should be ;
clause was struck out. the motives of those by whom this Bill had been in-
benefits sought to be conferred troduced and promoted. The principle, however, of
risked.—The
Earl STANHOPE next adverted to the clause
Accident had carried him to countries where mechi-
lthe Bill, was a most mistaken and mischievous one.
which required that places where such worship should
be, should be with open doors, without bolt or bar. rously carried on, but which had beE n wholly des-
nery had once been used, and manufactures prospe-
He supposed, if a father began to reed a chapter in
troyedlo y ed by
in them reduced to the utmost distress,
the meddling policy of legislation, those
the Bible to his child, he must take care, that his
em
doors be unlecked. As to the place not registeredp and the country devastated. These circumstances,
containing no greater number than 20; why, three
he trusted; would be a warning to the Legislature
vagabonds might be coming past at the time, and
ot of this country, against introducing so dangerous a
they might be bigotted Churchmen, and one says
principle of legislation as that upon which the present
the other, " Corte, let us go in here and see What 's,
Bill was founded.
going on I.' Being enemies to this mode of preach-'
Lord Vis Count SIDMOUTH also entirely con-
ing, they walk in, and see twenty thus assembled,
cursed in these sentiments. The Bill had been in-
and by their presence make the number twenty-two :
troduced in H
ehe other ouse from the purest motives,
or three, and then give information, for the purpose .
but he Lord S.) telt himself compelled, by his pub-
of imposing upon them the penalty of this Act. He
lie duty to give his direct negative to the princyk
(
moved that so much of the clause be omitted. I '
which it sought to establish, but which he conceived
The LORD CHANCELLOR was surprised at
to be most mischievous in its tendency and conse-
the me& in which the Noble Earl proposed this '
Luniendment It seemed his wish on all occasions to quences i and he trusted in GOD, that no such princi'
le would be again attempted to be introduced in
rdenintnittate the followers of the Church of England P
isy the name of Bigots. The accusation was op. any
T Bill brought up to that House.
called for ; and as td any anrendment of this nature,l-
, three months.
he consideration of the Bill was title:lnd for
lie slueuld advise that it might not be adopted, as it
%geoid endanger the Bill The House having resolved itself . I • a
• PEACE PRESERVATION BILL.
into a COMmit-
Earl STANHOPE contended he was misunder-i
tee on this Bill, sone verbal Amendments werestone,
stOOd, as he qttartelled with no man on account of
I.is religions faith. He persisted that danger of . blade by Lord Viscount SIWAOUTU, to correct rho or
ethree inaccuracies, and the House having resinised,
• ;
abuse existed, and. justified, the proposition of hb
amendittent. 1 the Report War ordered to be teceivettittonfortoo.
PRISOMERS co WARE CATS SILL.
'After a few viotds,.the'Arnendthent was put midi
In Comniittte on this Bill, the LORD CHAN
, ~ .
negatived.
Earl STANHOPE prOceetled
clause, in which it Wes stated to notice another
4° of the iaidChurch," CELLOR gave notice, that either, on tne report or
, on the third resoling, he *holed moil # clause, enact-
• • meaning ing that nothing in this Biliwthouldjoevint any pro-
and he wished to be informed of the precise -• • L. k
offender
•' secutions which might be4ourisniued against s
of that ekpressiona mcußy mkt, the of this description *oder Out Cominon Lite.
The Arclitiiihop of '_CAPITE On the motion of the Earl of HARROViPY, SONY
in
ttleatilistrrof e Chute% . .
that clause-, without doubt,
Me un lint the cornetist/kite of 'Papers relative to the .Clersy were eederid to
. ,
applied to all wild ER i
dosit al to-thoob- Pviniede'--Ademwtted.
dor doe& Whtifee'er might- br .

• HOUSE OF LORDS, JULY 24.
To the Appeal Higgs v. Brown and others, Mr. Fonblanque
was heard for the Appellant, and Mr. Richards, for the Respon-
dents —*lather hearing tn-worrOvr.
The Coffee Bid the Half pay Bill, the Medicine Hill, the Privy
Purse Bill, and the Poor Debtors' Relief Bill, were read a tiara
time and passed.
The 1' tr e of Credit Bill, the Agent General of Volunteers Bill,
and ti.e Wl.ite I )erring Fist et y were read a second time,
and coninutte4 for t p.m ,rrow.

the Woods and Forests Bill, and the Assessed 'rases Allow•
anci, Bill, passed through Committees, and were reported.
The Amendments of the Commons iu the EngHsh and Irish
Insolvent D.-Ivors Bah, were ordered to be taken into consider-
ation to-motrow.

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