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London, England, 1807-07-09 00:00:00

PAR LIAMENTART PROCEEDINGS.

HOUSE OF LORDS, JULY S.
In an Appeal from the Court of Seffion in Sectland, " Thomp-
fon a Tare," Mr Alcsander and Mr Horner were heard for the
Appellant. Further confulemtlon on Friday.
Mr. flobhoufe and feveral other Members of the Houle of
Commons, hrou;,ht ti? the American Treaty Bin, which was read
a firft time and ordered to be printed.
Adjourned till to•marrow (t"is day).

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Mr. Young prefented an Account of the Foreign and Brltifb
Shipping employed in the Britigi Trade, for three years, ending '
the Sth of January, rlic.y. and of the Tonnage and Number of
Men --Ordered to lie on the table. a
Mr FRENCH brought in the hitt Prifon Fees Bill. This wa
read a first and fecond time. committed and reported, with a view
to its being fent to Ireland, fo that it is not intended's° pars this
(talon
Mr. HAWKINS BROWNE moved for the Report of the
Commiffioners for making Bridges and Roads in the Highlands of
Scotly.d.—Ordered.
The Dover Pilot Regulation Bill was read a fecond time, and
referred to a Committee.
Mr. VANSITTART prefentcd a petition from certain Aine •
rican Loyaliltt, which was laid on the table.
The Report of the College of Phyficiaris on the (Ojeda Vie.
cination, was prefented.—Ordered to be bid on the table, and to
be printed.
On the Report of the Bill for prohibiting the granting of Offices
in Reverfion for the benefit of Survivors being read,
Lord H. PETTY fuggettd that Profefforthips in Scotland
ought not to he allowed to he granted in reverfion. There
was no loch pradlice known in any of the Univerfitirs of England.
He therefore propo fed that fuch an extraordinary proceeding fhould
not henceforward be permitted in the Univerfitirs in Scotland ;
and moved an Amendment in the Bill to that &e ft, w:.ich was
agreed to sew. an.
Committees were appointed to prepare Filimate* of the Expence
of Pay and Claathing for the Militia of Great Britain and Ireland.
A petition wa; prefented, and ordered to be laid on the table,
from the Philanthropic Annuity Society, praying Parliament to
grant them further power, in order to enable them to carry their
plans into execution.
This being the latt day for hearing private Petitions, the Speaker
ordered the Scrjeant at Arms to go into the lobby, and inquire if
there happened to be any Gentleman there who had any loch pe-
tition to pre(cnr. The Serjeant returned without finding that there
was any Hon. Member in any of the plates adjoining the•Huufe
who was prepared with a petition of that nature.
The Houle then proceeded to the coofideration of the other
Orders on the Lift for the Day.
The Report of the Traders Alters Bill was ordered to be taken
Into further eonlideration to-morrow.
Mr. V ANSFI TART prefented a Petition from tome American
Loyaliits, praying for compenfation.—Ordered to lie on the table.
—He gave notice, that on Friday he would move to refer it to a
Committee.

Lac now PETITIONS.
Petitions were prefented complaining of undue returns for the
Burgh of Lancafter ; for Liverpool; for the liniverfity of Dublin:
all of which were ordered to be taken into conlideration on the
23d inftant ; and alto for the County of Renfrew.
SALTASH PETITION.
Mr. WHARTON moved for the poßponement of the confide-
radon of the Saltath Election Petition from Tuefday next to Thud
day the aid instant. with a view to fubmit to the. Houle a Motion
on Monday fe'nnight for a further poftponcment.—Ordered.
Mr. DEN r prefented a Petition from the Debtors in Lancaf
ter Gaol, praying for relief.. —Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr Alderman SHAW prefented a Petition front the Weft
India Dock Company, praying for public aid.—Ordered to be re•
fared to a Committee.

WINDSOR ?O ST.

The CHANCELLOR of rite EXCHEQUER moved for leave
to brine in a Bill to amend a Bill of laft year, for afccrraining the
condition and boundaries of Windfor Forcft. The amendment
related to two abuks which were found to bear exceedirgly hard
upon individuals, with raped to their claims, and the evidence
for making them out. The ohjed was to repeal thefe claufes.
Mr. CHARLES DUNDAS feeonded the motion, which was
agreed to.
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pEwsinws.

Mr STURGES BOURNE adverted to the Aft paired for
limiting the perdions from the civil lilt to 90,00:I. Since that 1
period the penfians had nat exceeded that fum, and a view of this
he believed would be fatisfaetory to the Houfe. He moved, ift,
for an account of the pennons charged on the civil till during
1803, and the fularequent years, exclufive of tinge paid to our
foreign nu:Afters—ad, an account of all offices created or revived
lince the soth of May, held immediately from the Crown,
with the fal-aies, the names of thofe appointed to them, and
the dates of the appointments-3d, an account of all offices of
which the holders were fuperannuated, granted (ince taoe—tee
names of the perfons, the dates of the appointments, and the
amount of the fuperannuations.—Ordered.
Mr. DENT moved for a Committee to examine the flats of
the Weft In as Trade; tut this was negatived, becaufe it ap-
peared that Rime relief was to be claimed, and therefore it was
=airy to proceed by petition.

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FAST INDIA COMPANY.
Mr. CHARLES GRANT prefented a petition from the Dl-
redors of the Eaft India Company, praying for leave to raife one
million by bonds, untill it should be found expedient to raife mo-
ney by augmenting their capital. or fuch other relief as to the II
Houle mould kern meet. He moved, that this petition be referred
to a cummitt.e of the whole Houk.
Mr. CREEVEY °Alcatel to this. becaufc it was unprecedented
to grant the prayer of a pit ti without a Ratement and et:n.ls-
deration of the Rate of the Company's affairs. An attempt
bad been made in 1772 to have recourfe to a contrary pr..Ctice, '
but it had not fueceeded This was a more aggravated cafe, for
it became the Houk to he well apprifed of the Rate of the Com-
pany's affairs, for it ought to be recolitaed, that this was the
year in which, according to Lord Melville's prediaion, the debt,
of the Company was to have been reduced to 5 millions. But
whatever was the nature of the cafe, the fubjedt required a pre•'l
vious dikuffion.
Mr. ROBERT DUNDAS faiJ. that this cafe was very differ-
ent from that of 72,, for then the Company came for new powers
—in the prefent inftauce they had the power to raife the money
in one way, and only arced for power to talk it in another, as I
being more expedient. But he intended foun to bring forward ;
the India Fudget, and he had only delayed it that be might have ;
the accounts to the lateß poffible period. Betides, as to the ex• I
pofurc of the Company's affairs, the motion made for referring ;
the petition to a Committee of the whole Houfe, afforded an op-
portunity
for that purpofe.
Mr. CREEVEY contended, that tbis cafe was end!), the fame i
ZS that of 1772
Mr. P. MOORE obfcrved, that by the ad of 5793, the Diree- I
tors had not the power of railing beyond three milhonahy bonds.
&fides, it became the Gentlemen on the other Ede to explain
why they had not bad recourfe to the method of railing theft Ruch.
Mr WALLACE replied, that their reafon was that they con%l.
dered it as more expedient to Talk the money on bonds. They
only requetted leave to transfer their authority, and did not
claim any new powers. The cafe therefore was different from
that of 1772.
It was then agreed that the Houfe timid to-morrow go into a
Committee on the Petition, but afterwards, at the fuggettion of
Mr. Dimas, the committal was poßponed till Friday.
INDI•N •FFAINS.
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Mr. R. DUNDAS rule to move for leave to bring in a Bill to
regulate certain Affairs of India. He would briefly Rate its die&
In the fir& place ec Governments of Madras anti Bombay had not,
the authority to appoint a pollee, which that of Bengal had. k
was intrt,dcd to glee them this power. It was alfo propofed to give
thew the authority to nominate !office. of the Peace. Anuthdr
repletion was, rrfpoffirg the fervants of the Company, By
the Aa of ry93, they could not hold offices shove a certain vales
until they had rr flied for a Rated tine in India. 1 hers were two
colleges, one at Fort William in India. the other at Hertford in
this country; It was propofed t: give the (indents from Hertford,
a certain dedudion from the time of their favice It India. It was
doubted whether the Company had the power to appoint char-
tered hanks 'lie only other regulations, therefore, was to appoint
by legifittive authority chartered biota at Calcutta and Madras.
he concluded by nr clog for leave to bring in a Bill fort! tae obi Cis.
Mr. MOORE alked whether this originatol with the Board of
Cot r .ul, or theDirerflora?
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Mr. It DUNDA.S...—With the Cocusuiffirocrs
Uric givt.n.

IRISH CHARITABLR lIISTITOI.I^wiI.
Mr.FOSTER prefented Petitions from the fs,veral Charitable bt-
Ititutions in Ireland—the Proteftant Sehools—Foundling Hofpital,
&c. which, he fah', where the annual Petitions. and worded In
'1 the ulna! form. They were feverally ordered to lie on the table
Mr. FOSTER then moved, that there be laid before the Houfe
the F.Rlmates Ibr fupportiag all the raid Charities for one year, to
i sth January, tErB.
1 Mr. FOSTER moved for leave to bring In a Bill for the further
i regulation of Licenjes for Retail Spirits. Afro a ISHI to amend the
Ad of the 46th of the King, for regulating and fecuring the Du-
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ties on Spirits diflilled in Ireland. •
Alfo a Bill for recovering of Penalties, and to alter the Condi-
tiun of Bonds given by Brewers in Irelaad.
AI& a Biil to provide for the shoat/Ring of Pees received by the
Offirers of Cußoms.and for regulating the Hours of Attendance

and Holidays to be allowrd to 11:ch °deaf.
Alfo a Bill to amend the 47th of the King, refpeding the Hs•
port of Provifions from Inland. All wbich be obtained leave to

bring in.
He then gave notice that he would, on Friday. move is the Com-
mittee of Supply, fur flatus to make good the Paid grants.

PILIVILkOII OF FARLIAMINT.
Mr. ROSE brought up the Report of the Cows
mittee of Privileges, on the fubjea of the arrest of
Mr. Mills. a Member of the Houfe. The Report
Rated, that the letter of Mr. Mills, and the petitions
of his creditors, had been referred to them. They
had examined the matter, and found him a Member
of the Houfe, and at prefent in the cußody of the
Marfhal of the King's Bench paints. They had ex-
amined into the precedents ea the fubjelt, thought
they had not enquired into the allegations contained
in the petitions, and had come to the refolution, that
Mr. Mills was entitled to the privilege of Parliament.)
Mr. ROSE then moved, that the Houfe do agree
with this Refolution of their Committee.
Mr. P. MOORE begged the indulgence of the
Houfe for a few minutes on a fubjea fo intimately
conneeted with its honour and dignity. which were'
of much more importance than the privilege of any
individual Member. He had been a kind of medi-
ator between the Hon. Gentleman and his creditors,
and he had found that his debts amounted to at leaß
30,0001. The petitioners thought that while the
Houfe were intent on maintainiug their own privi•
leges, their property fhould alfo be protected. He had
been a Member of the Committee, and as far as he
had examined precedents, there was not one which
met this cafe. He was inComed that Mr. Mills had
procured his feat in order to protest himfelf againd
his jolt debts, and defraud his creditors. It was a
ferious confideration that the privilege of Parliament
fhould intervene to proteEt any man, in defiance of
and the laws of his country. He hoped,
therefore, that the Houfe would be difpofed to confo
der a little before they protefted a man who wifhed
to elude his creditors, and efeape from Office.
Mr. ROSE Paid, that on examination he had found
one cafe precifely fimilar to the prefent. This was
the cafe of a Mr. Ballet, in the reign of George the
Fir it. That member had been confined oa a writ of
merle procefs, and it was reafonable to fuppore that
petitions were alfo relented againti him, for, after
a ferrous difcuffion in dot Houfe, he was admitted a
Member. Even if the allegations of the petiticiers
were proved, they could have no effect upon the Re-
folution of the Committee—they found thentfelves
bound and fettered by the privileges of the Houfe.
Mr. WILLIAMS WYNNE obferved, that there
was not a Member of the Committee who did not
confider this as a cafe of peculiar harelfhip on the
creditors. But the privileges of the Houfe were
given fur the benefit of the Houfe and the Country,
and they had never refuted or hefitated to affert a
privilege which was clearly eflablilhed. When par
ties ran high, what confequences might not enfue, if
it were made a question in every instance, whether
Members timid enjoy their privileges or not ?
This privilege might be made the fubjed of difcuffiun
in a general thape, if any change was thought fit, to
be introduced, but could not.be refuted in a particu-
lar inflance.
Mr. COCHRANE JOHNSTONE faid, that in
the petitions fuch reflections were thrown upon the
honour of a Member, that he could have whited that
this matter fhould become the fubjeCt of a particular
invehigation. He underftood that Mr. Milli, imme-
diately on being relieved from coniinement, intended
to let off fur the Welt Indies to elude his creditors ;
and alto that there were four or five more in the
King's Bench ptifon, who waited for the order of
the Houfe, arid would then attempt to follow his ex-.
ample. He wished the petition to be referred to a
Committee of Privileges.
Mr. ELLISON laid, that if the charges contained
in the petitions were true, no honourable man could
tolerate the prefence of Mr. Mills in that Houfe.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
obfcrved, that.this was a cafe of privilege, and mutt be
fupported on the grounds of that privilege. Even if
the Committee had found the charges fubflantiated,
they were bound to propofe this refolurion, and the
difcharge of the Honourable Gentleman was a necef-
fary confequence of the law on the fubjed. What
the law was, and what it ought to be, were two very
different queßions. But would not its relaxation be
produelive of much greater mifchief than any that
could arise from the few rare inflances of this kind ?
If the cafe were afterwards proved, to the conviction
of the Houle, in all its enormity, it might then be-
come a fair queflion, whether fuch a Member ought
not to be expelled? But in order to do this he mutt
firfl exercife the privileges cf a Member, and be able
in his place, to invalidate or refute, if he could, the
charges brought again(! him. He mutt firft be
brought within the walls of the Houle.
Mr. WILLIAM SMITH cunfideted it as not a
law, but a privilege of the Houle ; and they had a
power to relinquith the enforcement of it, if they
thought proper.
The Refolution was then agreedto,and Me. ROSE
moved—
" That Mr. Galway Mils be difcharged nut of the euttody of
tiae Marthal of the King's Bench," which was alto ordered.
MOVLSHAM HALL, SCC•

Sir H. MILDMAY laid, that fence the late dif-
cation on the fubjeft of his agreement with Govern-
ment for the letting of Moultham Hall, &c. near
ChelmsFord, and the want of fatisfaetion relative to
the tranfafflon, as timed by a NA,le Lord ( Howick)
he had had the opportunity of receiving letters from
certain Gentlemen who were upon the Jury appoir tcd
to atcertain the fam to be awarded him for damages,
&c. The Jury had allotted him 13001. of which ago].
was to cover the eapenfes of the inquefl, and pool.
was conlideied as an,equivalent for the expert& of
reQoring the land to its former Hate, and whicllL was
to be t.on: at his own expenfe. He took that talcs;
Pion to hate that he owed confiderable acknowledg-
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malts t-t lisrd Sidmonth's envernment., fur the fair.
nets and liberal. y which he had experienced from it.
His brit offer had been made to the Barrack Office
during that Adminifiratinn. but the whole of the
Wines receeeing the letting of his houfe, had
taken place after that Adminißration had gone
out of office. He then proceeded to read letters
from General Stun, and others of the Jury, con
firming his firmer fiatemerst, viz. that the com-
penfation awarded was not to be confidered as a
rent for the !mule, but as a compenfation for the in-
jury which the elate had fuftained by the occupation
of the military. Sir Henry concluded by m►.ving,
46 That the Copy of the Supplement to the Memo.
vial, prefented by Sir H. Mile!may to the Commif-
fioners of Military Inquiry, be laid upon the able of

the Houle."
Lord HOWICK Rill declared, that th:s tranfac-
Lion had not been Co fatisfattorily explained as he
could with It appeared that this funs had been
awarded for the injury done to the eftate, but the rent
of 6001. a.year was an extraordinary turn for zo acres
of land. The tenants, in his opinion, ought to have
received the whole of this 6001. a year.
Mr. CANNING expreffed his furprife that the
Noble Lord thould hill continue to entertain any
doubt on a point that was fo clear. Whatever the
!award of the Jury was, the Hon. Baronet had
had no concern in it ; and it was to be confidcred,
that if Government fh-uld choofe to maintain pof-
feffion of the leak, the Hon. Baronet mutt continue
to fuftain all the inconveniences of the bargain, and
therefore the compenfation of 7001. could only be
made good then.
Mr. ADDINGTON laid, that in the few words
that he timid offer to the Wore, he flivuld pur-
pofely abliain from adverting to the merits of the
cafe itfelf, or from intimating, in the molt remote
manner, any opinion upon it. His principal obje&
in riling, was to exprefs his fatisfaftion at what had
fallen from the Hon. Baronet, in the beginning of his
fpeech ; as it would make it unneceffary for him to
trouble theHoufe with fome obfervatiens that he molt
' otherwife have made ; and to move for the produc-
' don of Come Papers, which timid demonftrate, (if
any demonftration.was needful) that his Noble. Re.
'ration had had no concern whatever with that part
of the proceeding, to which any cenfure or fnfpicion
had attached.—By referring to dates, it would be
fawn, that the lira Rep refpedling the Houle at Mon'.
lham Park had been taken on the tsth of May ;
whereas his Noble Relation had religned the Seals
of Office on the t ath. But the Worthy Baronet had
laid, that he Had been very far from meaning to
throw the flightea imputation en Lord Sidmouth's
conduit in this trantaBion. No one could poffihly
fufpett that he had, he himfelf being the principal,
and the individual molt intereßed in it. But an im.
preflion had gone abroad, warranted by the manner
in which the Honourable Baronet had expreffed
himfelf on a former occafion on this fubjett, that all
the proceedings had taken place under Lnrd Sid-
mouth's Adminiftratinn ; and this impreffion was
not likely to be diminifhed by the indiftintt and am
higuous terms in which his memorial to the Military
Commitlioners was expretred. In that memorial, too,
he obferves, 41 that the occupation of the land took
place during an adminiftration to which he hid been
pclititally oppofed s" and in his former fpeech he had
argued, that any thing irregular in his favour was
hardly to be expelled from a Minitier, to whortihe
wa, known to be politically hotlile. This was open
to two conftrustions, one of which was molt unwar.
rentable. To that linifter (laid Mr. Addington) he
pert-ally recolletted the Honourable Baronet's public
enmity, and bore him n) fort of grudge for it ; but
of that Miniller he wculd confidently alien, that he
would countenance and encourage any meature of
this defcription, if he thought it was right, without
any regard to political confiderations, or to the poli-
tical condo& of the individual who might be interefied
in it ; and that, if it was wrong, whoever might be
the parties, he would have let his face againft it. All,
however, that had in this inftance been done by his
Noble Relation was, to content to an AO of Parlia
aunt to releafc the H. nourable Baronet from three
months' refidence, and to agree that the expense of
fuch Al thould be charged to the Public ; to which,
as the accommodation was a public one, he con
ceived that no human being could obje&. All the
other proceedings, on which In much comment had
been made, had taken place under a fubfequent
Adminiitration.

SALE er CAMSIISSIONS TM THE ARMY.,

Mr. COCHRANE JOHNS I'ONE faid, he role
to make the motion of which he had given notice,
and moved accordikgly,
"'that an humble Addrefs t•e prefented to his MaJefty, that he
will be gracioufly pleafed to give dlreflions that the re inlaid
before the Houle an Account of every Sulu of Money re-
ceived for Commifnons, occalloned by death or difmilnon,or
In thole cafes of promotion in which Officers have not been
allowed to difpcife of their Conurifiinns, trim tft January
1795, to the prefent year, and the names of the peados by
whom paid and to whom receipts granted and to what por.
pores the laid fums were c.fpeetively applied."
The SECRETARY at WAR laid, he thought
this was in fume degree a kind (.f interference with
the prerogative of the King, whofe tole right it was
to difpofe of Commiffion• ; but knowing the difpofi•
tion and fentiments of the illuftrious Perfonage, who
fo ably filled the high office of Commander in Chief,
and how defirous he was to meet any inquiry that
night be deemed neceffary on this (tibia% he would
not certainly object to the Papers moved for by his
Honourable Friend. He thought it however med-
lar), to explain, as briefly as poffible, the nature of
the fubjcEt to which the Papers related. There were,
he faid, two purpofes to which the limey railed by
the file of Commiffions was applied, which reflated
the highe( honour on the illutirious Perfonage at the
head of the army, both for his ceconomical regard to.
the public fervice, and his great humanity of heart ;
that inflations Perfonage having endeavoured to be-
nefit the laudable funds he was about to mention, to
the great injury of his own patronage. The fira
fund was that for the benefit of the half-pay Officers;
the fecond for providing for the widows of meritori-
ous Officers, who fell in the fervice of their country,
or who by long and laborious Cervices were deemed
• entitled to fuch rewards. He was happy to fay that
I the 'aft widow of an Officer who had been provided
for, was the widow of Colonel VafFall, and had a
family. The half-pay fund required, he faid, a
little explanation. In time of peace, there was no
difficulty in the fale of comrniffions ; and in time of
• war, none in the higher 'departments : but in war
many Commiflions remaitftd,whaic is termed vacant,
for putebale, and for which nn purchafers were found.

This lall happened to be particularly the cafe at the
conclufion'of the late war, when there were found
fcarcely any Enfigns in the different regiments, and
Done to put chafe. There were many Lieutenants
reduced to half pay : and in the year 1794, when the
Duke of York was appointed Commander in Chief,
he-introduced a regulation. by which half pay Lieu-
tenants were to ferve with Enfigns' pay. Commiffinns.
were fixed at 3001. and were fold for the purptte of
forming a halt-pay fund. Officers about to quit the
army, might fell that commiffion which they pur-
chafed, but not that which they held from promotion;
fo that if an Officer fold a Captaincy, and was a
Major by promotion in the regular way, the difference
in the price went to the fund : and inflead of giving
away commiffions, his Royal Highnefs, to the very
confiderable injury of his patronage, had ordered
them to be fold for the benefit of the half pay fund.
It was well known to every Member, that at the
commencement of the late war,great abufes had crept
into the army. from the indifcriminate allowance of
purchafe ; and many perfons bad tifen to the higheß
rank by that method, who had not been regularly
bred to the army. The prefcnt illntlrious COM.
mander in Chief adopted a regulation, by which no
man could become an Officer under two years fervice,
nor a Field-officer under fix years fervice. There
kill, however, exifted another grievance, which was
that of giving exorbitant prices for Commiffions ;
and, though the King's orders were to the contrary,
young men of rank would give large funs to get into
the Army, and Officers who had families aould not
refill fuch temptations ; as, by the large turns they
obtained, they got what was almoft equal to the
higheft Rep they could go, viz. a regiment. The
Commander in Chief had, after many trials, hit upon
a mode of checking that abufe ; and had alio dons:
away entirely the fhameful praaioes of Armyßrokcrs,
by wfiich he had done the moll effentiat let vice to
the army. He thought it unneceffary, on this Motion,
to add any thing further, as he had no objeFlion to
the produktion of the papers moved for.
► Mr. COCHRANE JOHNS I'ONE allured the

Houle, that he had never given the lean attention or
belief to the malicious tumours which had been

fpread abroad on this fubjeet, nor had he the leaf
idea of olifapplicalion of the money paid for
Commiffions ; hut in fuch times as the prefent, he
thought it the duty of every Member of rarlianscat
to watch carefully the tispenditurc of the pvtgic

money in eve►y department.
The SECRETARY at WAR. raid, he had not
imputed any thing of the kind to the Hon. Member;
and as to rumours on the fubjed, be had heard non;
that could, in any manner, apply to the prefent bil-
lion —l'he Melon was than read (torn the Chair, and
agreed to.
Mr. COCHRANE JOHNSTONE moved for an mow of aR
(urns reedy, d from Officers on half pay, on their again mining
into fun pay, from the la January, t 795, to the prefent year, and
the purpotes to whirls fuck funs ►ad beets applied-Ordered.
The SECRETARY at WAR moved for a Raiment of the
expence laved to the public by the employment of Officers rats
from the half pay Once gyps —Ordered.

FINANCE.

Lord HENRY PETTY moved for leave to bring
in a bill for uppropriating the ezeefs of the Sinking
Fund, fimilar to the bill which he introduced lait
Selflon. In doing to, his Lord(hip entered into a
Ratement of his plan, and pointed out the fuperiority,
of his fyßem, when compared with that formerly
adopted, in fa far as both the Rockholder and the put/.
lic was concerned.

The SPEAKER fuggefled to the Noble Lord,
the proceeding aloft Parliament, having commenced
in a Committee of the whole houfe, in which certain
refolutions were paffed, which of courfe ceafed with
the IA Parliament, whether it would not be more
regular to introduce the meafute in the fame manner
in the prefent Parliament ? In this view of the cafe,
it would be for the Noble Lord to move that the
Houfe do to morrow refolve into a Committee, to
confider of the Finance Ads.
Lord H. PETTY having fignifid his affent to this
mode of proceeding,
Mr, PERCIVAL begged of the Noble Lord to
under Rand that though he thould not have oppofed
the bringing in of his bill, yet that he mutt oppofe the
agreeing to the refolutions which the Noble Lord
might have to propok for the approbation of the
Houfe.
Lord H. PETTY then moved, and it was ordered.
that the Houfe do on Tuefday next refolve into a
Committee on the Finance ARs.
The SECRETARY at WAR prefented a petition
from the Veterinary College, pra)ing aid.—Ordered
to lie on the table.
AMERICAN INDEMNITY BILL.

Mr. G. ROSE, on moving that the Houfe thould
refolve itfelf into a Committee on the Bill for grant.
ing an Indemnity to his Majedy's prefent Minitters,
for having authorifed the Ditties granted by a late
Aft of Parliament, to be levied off goods entered
into the d ffetent p,rts of our Well India Inands nom
America, without the confent of Parliament, entered
into a molt minute detail of all the commercial regu-
lations that have taken place between America and '
this country for feveral years pall. Indemnities had
been frequently granted to Minifters on former cc-
cations ; and if in the prefent inliance they had not
advifed the regulations with refpeEt to America and
the Well India Trade to have been continued in the
fame manner as if Parliament had been fitting, their
conduit would have been highly cenfurable indeed.
By law, every American veffel which traded to the 1
Welt Indies without the exprefs provifion of an Ml
of Parliament, fuch as that which had lately expired.
was liable to the forfeiture both of herfelf and cargo-
The protecting law expired with the Parliament,'and
Minillers only continued the provifions of that att.
He therefore fupported the motion for the Houfe
going into a Committee on the Indemnity Bill.
Lord HOWICK ohferved, that he would be at
ready, as he was confident that the Houle would b
to grant indulgence to any man or let of men, wily
in the performance of the duties of a public (Immo,
had been guilty of any light or trifling inadvertence,
or who had even fupplied an accidental omillion by
rather an overltretch of power. But in the prefect
Cale, the aft had expired in confequence of the dd.-
folution of Parliament; Minifiers continued to raife
the duties without law, on their own reffonfibt.
tub on the ground of expediency only, as a Right
Honourable Gentleman on the other fide (Mr. Rofr)
had formerly elated; and in fad there could not be
any actual neceffity for advifing the unufual courte
of diffolving Parliament in the middle of a fetEon.

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Tills permed fated aa 4.f the minifters theinfilies had
alone given ground of expediency, and of neceflity,
t 3 their fubfequent unlawful conduit ; and therefore
lie could bar think that they were fairly entitled to
the fupp 'rt and indulgen'ce of the Houle: The
Houfe of 6ommons, which was fo jealous of its
privileges that the (lighten alteration in a money bar
was univerfally confidered as a- fufficient ground tor
its vejeelion—that Houle of Commons could not
continently give any countenance to the modifica-
tion of duties, entirely at the option of Minifies.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
()Vetoed, that the Minifters had the fopport of the
Houfe nn the fobjea of the propriety of the diffolo
tion. The diffolution, therefore, being neceffary, it
could not be fuppofed that the Order of Council
ought to fland in the way of that meafure ;—and,
therefore, he relied on the fupport of the Houle in
the meafure now before it. •
Sir ARTHUR PIGOTT entirely concurred with
the flatements I.f Lord Howick, and cenfured in the
Moll lively and emphatic terms, the late wanton aft
of his Majefly's Miniftets, which led to their own
breach of the law.
Mr. BRAND proteßed ttrongly againft the breach
of a provifion in the Bill of Rights---namely, that no
duties (hall be levied for any time longer than is
fanaioned by Parliament. He was far from beinig
inclined to add to the great refponfibility of Mint.
fters, or to with in the leall degree to impede the pro
feeding' of his Majefly's Government ; but money
was railed in an illegal manner, which was not occa.
fl3ned by any unexpelled emergency or unavoidable
neceflity. He therefore thought it was tight to leave
Inch raft; olinifters to that refponfibility which their
own temerity had occalioned.
The queiiion was then put and carried.
The Houle read the Bill in a Committee ; it then
rzfumed, the Report was received, and the Bill was
ordered to be read a third time to morrow.