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London, England, 1831-08-19 00:00:00

TUE SEEK ACT AHANDUINT BILL.

The Huse then went into Committee on the User Act
Amendment Bill.
The Drake of %WELLINGTON asked whether the noble
Lord
.bad introduced any claure for limiting the hours of
kt •:ii;.g stw beer house, open ?
Lord E LDOURN E replied that there would be a great
difficulty in having those houses closed earlier than :public-
houses, bet he had no objection that the new beer-shops in
the country should be closed earlier than those in town. The
'wirers intended to be given to :hc police, would, he thought,
emote all objections.
The Duke of WELLINGTON observed that he had no
wish to hold out a temptation to the labourers to go to pub-
lic houses. It might pobahly break down the monopoly of
the brewers, but, as a matter of pollee, it bad failed entirely
Is‘t year.
Lord MELBOURNE replied that another year and a
Lair at least would he required, before they could fairly judge
I ow the nnyter worked.

Lord TRNTERDEN expreaard himself in favour ofearly
;t••urw

'll.e Bishop of LONDON was anxious to have the hours
f bceping open on Sundays limited. He also wished to
It tee a clause irsetieti, rendering skittle.grourds attached to
b..,•r.howes illegal,
Mier ft few words from Lord Wmtwinx.
lord WY NFOII also expresstd it as Ms opinion, that
ti :re should be a 'irritation fixed to the bouts of keeping
uston.
The Earl of BA lINARYON said that, from the natural
indolence of constables, who were the most intificient ant.
tr..,41a breathing, little check ecuid be hoped for. Ibe eases
of the tountry ard the town houses would be different, and
Is, therefrne hoped that proper legal definitions would be
made. The existence of these houses in the country were
universally deemed injurious, and a single yeses experiment
wonid sicken the Government against the bill.
Lord ltl KILBOURNE obsetved that it was intended to
hare a provision introduced into the bUI for closing these
idols% from eleven to one o'clock, and at ten o'clock on
nutst Flys.
The Bishop of LONDON was anxious that no skittle.
grounds should be attached to thaw houses. There were
manly and generous games in which the peasantry might
indulge, hut this was a game which ought not to be per.,
mated. Tne right reverend prelate then proposed, as an
amendment, that the persons to whom licenses were granted
should not, under the penalty of 40s. allow skittles to be
plAyed on their premises.
After a few words from Lord SI xxsouaws and the
Bishop of LANDOW,
Lord TRNThRDRN moved se en amendment, that the
police should be at liberty to enter the premises at all hours
ue the day.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY then put the amendment
moved by the Bishop of London, which, after some mover.
sstion between Lord Melbourne, Lord Leasdown, the Duke
ol Wellington, and the Right Reverend Prelate, was with-
((sewn.

The Bishop of LONDON next moved as an amendment,
that new beer houses should not be allowed to be open after
sc ven o'clock on Sundays, Good Fridays. and Christmas days,
but, after some observations, mounted to postpone it.
The Karl of SHAFTESBURY then reported progress
sad the bill was ordered to be taken into consideration again
on Monday.
Turton's Divorce Bill passed through & committee, and
W 3% ordered to be recommitted on Moods,.
Tnc Earl of WESTMEATH bought in a bill to
sawed the several Aeta.paral the pueisltyt peewee.
rived of berates
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the Lord Mayen. praying the house to tole into its earliest
consideration the state of Ireland.
Mr. BAILLIE presented aspetition from Bristol, against
the refining of sugar.
Mr. BURGE supported the prayer of the petition.
Mr. ROBINSON moved for a return of all offices and
appointments in the British dominions, the duties of which
are discharged by deputies, with room of mnuneration.
rdered.
Sir B. FERGUSON presented *petition from the dis-
tillers of Londonderry, against the drawback on the duty on
malt; also a petition from the Merchants of the same place,
against the alteration of the wine dutie..
Lord HOWICK presented a petition from the county t.f
Northumberland, against the um of molusses in distillation.
Also a petition from Newcastle, against the duty on marine
insurances. Also a petition from the Mauritius, praying
for a !eduction of the duty on sugar.
The noble lortl then rose to move that an order made on
the previous day, upon the motion of 111 r. Burge, for the
produce of certain documents connected with the emancipa-
tion of slaves in the Government colonies of the West In-
dies, be mcioded. The terms of the motion would include
a document, which, being a communication from the Go.
vernor of one of the West India Islands to the Government
at home, it was most desirable that that communication
should not be laid upon the table of the house.
Mr. BURGE said if the Noble Lord would assure him
that the document in question was of a confidential nature,
be would consent at once to the alteration of his motion.

Lord HO%VICK said that the paper was not strictly coo-
Mended. but he would say that its production would lead to

Mr. BURGE consented, under these circumstances, to
the alteration in question.
Mr. LEFROY presented a petition from the Corpora-
tion of Barber-Surgeons of the city of Dublin, against the
Reform bill.

Mr. HUNT pratented a petition from the Kensington and
Hammersmith Branch of the National Union, praying that
they might have a Member under the Retains bill, and that
every one paying taxes might have a vote, and be protected
by the ballot. Also a petition from an individual, praying
that the Inbolvent Debtors' Act may be extended to the hie
of Man.
Mr. Li T.T LRTON presented a petition from an indivi-
dual in Stalfildshire, praying for a reduction of the duty on
fire insurances upon agricultural property.
Mr. BY NG presented a petition from St. James's, West.
mintier, against the Select VestritaAet.
Mr. O'CONNELL pesented petitions from places In
Inland, against the grant to the Kildare street Society, and
against the Subletting Act. Mao a petition from an indi-
vidual residing in London, in favour of Poor Lava in Ire.
land.

Mr. WESTERN presented a petition front Colchester,
apinct the use of molasses in distillation; and a similar
petition from Saffron Walden.
Mr. HUME moved for a copy of the Report of the
Commissioners fcr legal inquiry into the cases of Lesure
and Escoftry, in 1826 and 1827. He was sure the House
would not consent to vote 16,0001. on account of faults
committed by the Jamaica Government, without seeing the
Report
Lard NOWICK would not object to the production of
these papers; but if the report were produced, it must be
followed by many ether papers which would necessarily be'
required, and that would incur great expense. After all
that Ind been done,:to what practical good would the motion
of the bon. member lead ? The Government was pledged
to :pay the sum alluded to by the hon. member. What
therefore, was the use of going to an expense of 6,0001. to
print papers under such circumstances?
Mr. II UNIE said, that he could contract to furnish the
papers which he wanted for 601.
Mr. BURGE said, that the matter alluded to by the bon.
Member for Middlesex had been fully discussed by the most
competent authorities, and he was therefore opposed to the
production of the papers alluded to by the Hoo. Member.
Dr. LUSH I NUTON went into a short' statement of the
use of the two individuals in question, and that Mr. Can-
ning took up the subject of compensation on the pert of the
Government, and Lord Bathurst appointed him (Dr. Lush-
ingten) and Mr. Couttenay, and upon a a solemn %veal-
gado; of the facts, a report was made in favour of the
individuals to the extent mentioned by the hon. member foe
Middlesex. Under all these circumstances, he thought that
it would be too late to have this investigation renewed. Be
therefore thought that it would be most unadvisable to have
the papers called for by the bon. member for Middlesex.
Mr. HUME did not think that government ought to be
obliged to pay for faults committed by a colonial govern.
meat. He also thought that this house ought not to grant
money without Infonnatios. It ought to be stated to the
house whether any and what offers had been made to get the
money from the government of Jamaica. He should not,
however, press his,motion.—Motion withdrawn.
A messenger from the House of Lords brought up several
private bills, which had been agreed to by their lordships.
RECIPROCITY TRZATY BETWEEN PRANCE AND
MIDLAND.

Mr. ROBINSON beigeits draw the attention of the
house to a most important subject connected with the
commerce of the country. It was to be recollected that,
in January, 1828, a treaty of reciprocity was entered into
between this country and France, for the purpose of lessen-
ing the burdens upon commerce. One of the articles of the
treaty stipulated that all French goods and merchandises
should be imported into this country in French bottoms.—
This treaty did not come into operation until the 6th of
April, 1826 ; but on the Bth of February, In that year. when
the treaty was promulgated in France, it was accompanied
by an ordinance raising all the duties in France. The eon•
sequence of this was, that the English ships were obliged to
pay a higher rate of duty in the French porta than French
ships paid in British ports. The French say that they ad.
here to the letter of the treaty, but sure he wan that they vio-
lated the spirit. He contended that the policy of France
was prohibition, while England, on the contrary, was adopt.
ing a different course. He would just mention that Shish
vessels of 110 tons paid tonnage duty amounting to 901,
besides quarantine and other duties. French vessels, on
the contrary, generally speaking, never paid more in Bri.
ash ports than one third of the duty paid by English
vessels in French ports. The charge in French ports for
towing in English vessels was seven francs per too, while
the tonnage charge in England on French vessels, was only
three shillings per ton. The object of his motion was to
call for information respecting the communications made by
this Government with the Consul-General at Paris, and his
answers out the subject of this reciprocity treaty. to enable
the House and himself to judge how far the French Go-
vernment had really attended to the purpose for which the
treaty had been entered into. If, however, he was told
that the Government were then coositltring the subject,
and that it would be unadvisable to lay before the House
any communications on the subject, as a disclosure of
the cornupondence might be premature, he should not
press his motto, but be must impose upon the Govern-
meat and the House the great importance of this subject
to the commercial interests of this country. The Honour-
able Member then concluded by making a motion to the
effect just stated.
Ldrd PALMERSTON said that the subject alluded to
by the hen. gentleman was then under discussion; the car.
respondence was still going on ; it would therefore, in his
opinion, be not dimly inconvenient but highly detrimental to
the interests of the country to lay before the house the coin-
munications adverted to. k wits mot for him then to say
that the French properly understood the treaty in question,
because he was then engaged in skewing to the French Go-
vernment that the treaty was not properly understood by
them. (Hear.) He trusted that. ender all the drams-
stances of the ease, the hoo. gentleman would see the pro.
priety of withdrawing hie motion for the present. When
the time arrived. be could assure the house that he would
give every information on the subject.
Mr. ROBINSON hoped that until this matter was fully
and satisfactorily arranged, his Majesty's Government would
not make any further concession to Fraser.

SMUGGLING IN TEE CITY.
Mr. HUNT wished to put a question to the President of
the Beard of Trade. He had been Informed that very cot..
sidteable salaams at silks had taken place in the city,
namely, in Gutter-lane, Newgate.street, and Fiest.street.
The silk in question was found- at the agents of scene Alum
or four large houses in the city, these houses being In fact
the real deli dents. He wfitha to know if Government
hod had any information on the subject, and ifs*, ho Mimed
to know what course was intended- to be adopted on the
subject P
Mr. P. THOMSON said that government bad been ap.
prised of tbe matter sagas& to by the boa member, end he
clald assure the bon. member and the house that the fullest
Me
the law would be carried into 'Abet against the
toecemod In the transaction in questiots.
Meal/NT raid that, If some three or four great bowie
duo do, Ism watched by maim employed in the pre.
Motive service, a very greet good would be doss to the

TRH IRISH TZOILIIIRT. 0
The Itfarquis of CHANDOS wished to know If it was
the intention of the Government to disarm the Irish Yea
msnry ?
Lord ALTBORP said that his Right Hon. Friend the
Secretary for Ireland intended to introduce same masque
respecting the corps alluded to by the Noble Marquis, rs-
leave:to their regulation. These measures, when fully con-
sidered, would be laid before the howls. Under the eir-
commoners of the measures in question not being Addy
matured. be could not give a direct answer to the question
of the Noble Marquis. The conversation dropped.
POOR LAWS IN IRILAIID.
, Mr. SA DLER rose to bring forward his motion on this
subject.
Mr. O'CONNELL begged his hon. friend to postpone
his motion for the present. Giving his hon. friend great
for his humanity, he yet thought that, under existing
stances, the Reform Bill not having yet been gone
patit would be unadvisable to bring the question of
s before the House. (Hear.)
Mr. SA DLER could not think of postponement, unless
the Chancellor of the Exchequer would give him some open
'day in the course of the ensuing week, for bringing the sub-
ject of Irish pool laws before the House.
The CHANCELLOR of EXCHEQUER said he would
give up Monday week to the hon. gentleman to bring on the
question. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. SADLER consented to accept the day proposed by
the Noble Lord.
HELGIIIII AND THE FRENCH TROOPS.
Sir R. VVVY AN thought that the time had arrived
when his Nlajcsty's Government ought to give information
on the subject which he was then about to bring under the
consideration of the House. Let it not be said that, in put-
ting the question, he meant to embarrass his Majesty's go-
vernment, for his object was, did he not get a satisfactory
answer to his questions, to afford his friends who agreed with
him an opportunity of delivering their opinions upon the
subject. bet it not be said too, that he was likely by his
remarks to produce a Ica, for war had already commenced
sometime since. lie ahnuld not allude to Portugal. He
should confine himself to Belgium. He should Sup-
po‘e the separation of I.l.lgiurn had been acceded to
by the four powers; but the enthronement of Leopold,
instead of leading to peace, had produced a war. He had
consented to postpone his motion relating to Belgium, In
consequence of the Noble Lord (Palmerston) having in-
formed him, that France was to withdraw her troops, upon
, the DMeh declaring that they should do the same thing.—
I
But what was now the rumour ? Why, that the French I
were to keep thirty thousand of their men in Belgium until
the expense of the war was paid by Holland, and the Dutch
troops disbanded. (Hear, hear.) This was a question
which affected the honour of England. This was not a mere
question of an attack by the French troops upon the King of
Holland : it was a matter affecting the honour of England,
Austria, Rus.la, and Prussia. (Hear, hear.) The King of
Holland had been charged with breaking an armistice without
giving notice, but this be (Sir R. Vyvyan) denied. Notice
had been given over and over again. After alluding to
certain protocols, the hon. member alluded to the diflicul-
des of adverting to all matters connected with the Belgic
tismtion in consequence of want of information. The
people of Belgium, despite of the Conference, proceeded
to elect a Sovereign, and did in fact elect Prince Leopold.
The present King of Belgium went to Belgium, knowing
that he must take an oath that he would preserve certain
boundaries, and knowing at the time that the King of
Holland could not consent to those places being given up
to Belgium. The King of Holland, in going to war,
might have acted in opposition to the Conference, but
he at least acted with honesty and manliness towards
the Dutch. (Hear, hear.) The honourable member
then alluded to the opinion of some of the French
journals, which declared that the King of Holland had not
acted unfairly. lie would now revert to the revolution of
France, owing to which, when peace had been established, it
became necessary that a code of nations should be formed, to
prevent a similar occurrence to that alluded to by him. In
the course of the arrangements adopted at the Congress of
Vienna Belgium was annexed to Holland. He was not now
arguing upon the propriety of Belgium having been joined
to Holland. Indeed, he was of opinion, considering the
jealousy and ill feeling that existed between these two coun-
ties, that it was most imprudent to have joined them. The
Hon. Dart, then alluded to a portion of the treaty of Vienna,
from which it appeared that the Duchy of Luxembourg
was ceded to the King of the Netherlands. The King of
Rogland, as King of Hanover, Russia, Freesia, and
the Princes of the Germanic Confederation,
the Duchy of Luxemburg to the King of H sod new
it was derided that Luxemburg should feria a pan of the
Belgic kingdom, in violation of the former aneenter.
The Conference ought to have compelled the D-res to
adhere to the treaty of the Derutenic Osallidenelen. The
quesdes is, evea Angulo( that Lusembeng was
to Beighters, if the Daehy of Ltireinburg Assad atilt MI
part of the Germanic Confederal (Hoar, hear). for if Bel.
glum was to form a pan of that CaitYdssdsa, it was im-
possible that Belgium could sustain *self. With reopen. to
the thenetee of the King of Holland, as to whether he wee
the bigot that be was represented s (Hear, bear, frees lin.
O'Coosiell.) He thanked the honourable sod learned mew
bee fee that cheer. He understood the cheer well. The
soweendiate pesesdad the revolutions in France and Belgium
that had boss sometime since adopted in Dublin : (Hear
ben.) la ISO, the King of the Netherlands though;
perm., guilds 'Main Wins with regard to educatis%
that mho& shed' 'be aesablished under the bishops, sad
the Pitikweglikol Why in Louvain, and that no
who was dilated abroad should have any vane is the
ministradin et affairs in Belgium. • A diesowies tea
place upon these edicts, and modifications wan neetnesil
to in 1829. The question of education was after esenidentell
in council; it was also stated that the king would net
onesent to the jury law. This question was discussed is
rho chamber, and decided against by a large majority at
doped's, and it was not proper to of the stigma on the
ajteis* upon the chambers. He was not sorry at whet
_
in France last year, although war was the
consequences. He was DIN sorry that Charles
she Tenth lost his throne like James the Second, In
his attempt to put down the charter granted by his pre-
decessor. The distinction between that case and the case of
Belgium was, that one was just, and the other rebellion.--
(Hear, hear.) He would call upon the Government not to
be afraid of the revolutionary spirit abroad, and that they
would not give away step after step, bending and succumb-
ing to doctrines of a revolutionary tendency, bot makes bold
resistance against soy attempt that might be made to com-
promise the honour of this country. He wished to know
from his hon. friend if his Majesty's Government were at
last apprised of the intentions of the French. If there was
any necessity for war, he was sure that the people of this
country would support the Government. The best way to
preserve poem was to be prepared for war. There was 0
party in France that was busy in exciting dm ancient preju-
dices between Fiance and England. An alliance with France
to force terms:on Holland, would be &disgrace to &gland.
His motive in bringing forward the motion, was to give his
AISPISTIS Government an opportunity to explain their po,
Ray. a concluded by moving for copies of all the prom.
cols and treaties connected with the affairs of Holland and
&Our' - -

Cord ELIOT said that he believed that Halliard in 181$
was adverse to the union with Belgium, and that she, *
consideration of the union, pre up several of We
in the West Indies. The King of Holland was called a
.‘tysant and & dare& He was the ealy4Liag Wise=
had not a regular body guard. He believed that
bad Increased in wealth end prosperity diwingthf Wiles Ma
the revolution was the treason. The Lie
lad decided that the Protocol signed the Ida of Imola
last contained the fundamental regulations to restore pens
to Belgium ; sad in May the Conference dreamed that V
the Belgians did not adopt those arrangements bribe Ist of
June. that all netoclattoss should terminate, and that Loa
Pwwowbl w be recalled. (Heim What mut haw
been the surprise of the King of Hollan) d,when he reosinede
on the Sikh of July, the IS articles so at variance with the
ate easternplased In the premed of January.
fibliww.) The Noble Lord went into a detail oft4e
t negotiationsbetween the conference and King
wPM4 to the period when fereiptad w* called in to pie.
test Belgium, with four millions of, inhabitipp, spinar
opinions. He believed that the meeifeetatioei of
that House had lessined die par tbsi 111 ft a
Ibk, and be trusted that the 'epee** of 04: egjelean
meld douses* the change of danger Oldie 'out
bedew. He would mead the mottos ;D.; ;ow..
Lord PALDIERSTON said he was intig tee
ledp the temperate and moderate meaner
ties wee brought before the House. He weal& MS
himself, however, of die irreetraity eta* his
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be Prejudiced by the of die paws (OM W.. It
was not necessity la Mira eater hue a tewliebdoelif fie
conduct of the
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for these last nine months. He could not censistostly an-
surer the question of the Han. Baronet. whether Belgium
would farm a part of the German Confederadoa or net. The'
some *Mate House had recently pursued upon these sub-
j.* me, in his mind, most unesestitotionaL It was the
ezelasive ve of the Croon to declare war, and yet
it to be the derive of the hon. baronet to urge the
cansury to war. His Majesty's ministers were responsible
hooker conduct, and at the proper period they would not
shut from going foto a full disiussion upon thdr policy:
It was alleged by many anti-reformers, in arguing against
the Reform Bill, that, if it passed into a law, there would
be a difficulty in any minister carrying on the public bust-
near, from the great infusion of democracy into that house.
He was sure that no ministry could experience more unjust
annoyance than the present ministry, in the repeated discus-
sions upon questions of our foreign policy that involved men.
'Pres of vital importance to the interests of the country. He
felt it his duty to resist the production of the papers moved
for by the hon. baronet.
Mr.O'CONNELL said that he would not have trespassed
upon the house. but that the hon. baronet had alluded to him.
He believed that the Belgians were a most grossly illneated,
oppressed, and calumniated people, and they were called re-
bels. ( !fear.) He perceived that the remark was cheered.
He would ask, how did they become subjects ? by a decree
of the Congress. And how were they treated ty the King of
Holland? why, they were taxed in every possible manner:
the distilleries, the meat, she corn, and every consumable ar-
ticle was taxed. They enjoyed the trial by jury before they
became the subjects of Holland, but It was abolished by the
King. The public confutation of witnesses was abolished,
and the judges were made dependant upon the crown. A decree
was issued abolishing the French language, and counsel were
obliged to leave the Courts of Justtce, as the proceedings
were carried on in the Dutch language, in which they were
not conversant. (Hear, hear.) Ihe Chamber was composed
of half Dutch and half Belgians, but if the Belgians refused
the bribes that were held out to them to support the govern-
, nient, they were dismissed, and the King had the power to
outlaw them. ( Hear.) The press was all but annihilated, and
the penalty of death was attached to the offence of publishing
anything offensive to the government. On one occasion there
were 22 prosecutions commenced against the press in one day;
such a fact was enough to make an ex•Attomey-Cieneral's
teeth water, (laughter 0 and one person who had been a
convict had been paid 25,0001. for libelling the Belgians
and raiaing the King. The hon. baronet had accused
the Jesuits of being the instigators of the French revolution,
and yet he approved of that measure. Such a declaration
was rather unexpected from a Tory, in vindication of the
efforts of Jesuits to promote liberty. He trusted that he
had stated enough to justify the conduct of the Belgians in
throwing off a galling yoke that they bore too long. The
system of education proposed by the King of Holland
deprived any person from keeping a school without a license.
The King of Holland interfered with the education and
religion of the Belgians, and he entered into trade, bad a
share in a distillery, and a sham in various traffics; his
conduct went to prove that Dutchmen should be masters,
and Belgians slaves. The Government had his full confi-
dence for their conduct throughout this business, for the
King of Holland bad trampled upon every thing that was
sacred (cheers.)
Mr. ii. TREVOR depreatted the course of secrecy pup,
sued by his Majesty's Ministers.
Mr. BARING said that it was the duty of any mom.
ber of that house to press for information connected with the
interests of the country. If the King of Holland was a
tyrant, he was the first of the House of Nassau that ever
was a tyrant. He thought the world, and this country in
particular, was indebted to that illustrious House for
the proctection of their liberties. He thought that the
remarks of the honourable and learned member for
Kerry were unjustifiable, as there was no country in the
world where Justice was more impartially administered
than in Holland. It was the complaint of the whole
race of legitimate Kings against the licentiousness of
the Belgian press. (Laughter.) Why, De Potter proved
himself so unmanageable a person, that he was rejected by
the Belgians since the expuhion of Dutch. He helloed
that it was absurd to think to establish a monarchy between
the French and Dutch kingdoms. By giving Antwerp to
Belgium, they would ruin her trade, for neither Holland nor
France would admit its manufacture. It would be the same
as to surround Manchester and Birmingham with walls, and
prevent them from intercourse with other parts.
Mr. HUAIE was surprised to hear an English Senate
parcelling out a kingdom to an independent nation. He
regretted to heir it mentioned in this house, that thee tent.
vela should be disposed of without consulting the wishes
of the people.
Sir IL PEEL was not surprised to hear the Hon. Bennet
(Sir R. Vrryan) Say, that the time had arrived when this
House Amid ti lammed of the circumstances relating to'
the neteselaltielt respecting Belgium, particularly when the
'Pirates of. other powers bad voluntarily made declarations
on this sub*. H. did norwish to press discussion, or
'prefer a drug, against his noble friend, when he was pre-
cluded from answering it ; but though he would not urge
foe an explanation at present, he would say that they
never was an occasion which more loudly required it.
(Cheers.) What, when the King of the French boasted of
the tricoloured flag being on the walls of Lisbon, and when
the French troops were in Belgium, was it not a sublet that
required explanation, that our arms were directed only
against Holland and Portugal. (Cheers, and great conk-
'ion ; cries of order, order.)
Mr. HUME observed that the confusion arose fkom the
Mends of the right hon. baronet.
An bon. member attributed the noire to Alderman Wood,
who plumply denied it.
Bir R. PEEL teemed. He entered into an ealogium
on the modem of the King of the Netherlsnds,abeeming
that Belgium never was so flourishing as it had been dudes
the last fifteen years. Was it not fair to infer that the bon.
and learned member for Kerry had exaggerated or ever.
coloured the conduct of the King of Holland. He did not
see what occasion there was for that boisserahle and keened
member to traduce his (Sir R. Peel's) friends. It essid
as if this was a house for the destfttm (LAngbler.)
WIZ friends he would say this, that they wadi net suede
any circumstance wring from the impoverishedipeasentre of
Ireland a miserable pittance for their own pimpeus, which
pittances it appeared they themselves were in want of after.
wards. (Loud cheers.)
Mr. Alderman WOOD observed that he had been un-
justly complained of as making noise, whoa in fact he was
only asking a quatinn of his Hon. Friend. (The Hon.
Alderman was here interrupted by laughter mid confusion.)
Mr. HUNT observed that the question we, shadier we
should have peace or war. The Right Honourable Baronet
seemed to wish that we should go to war with France; but
be would tell the Right Hon. Baronet that nothing could
be more unpopular in England than a war with France.
He as an Englishman wished that the French troops would
remain In Belgium until they taught the King of-Holland
to refrain from meat:Lire on Belgium. If there should
be a war the rich support it, Ica the poor would not
submit to it. The rich might go to war if they pleased.
(Laughter.) If any war would be popular in this country,
it would be a war In favour of the Poles. (Cries of question.)
Sir R. VYVYAN replied. He would not press the mo-
tioo, Ls consequence of the noble lord having stated that
their production would be attended with inconvenience to
the public service.
The motion was thee withdrawn.

TEM RZFOIRM SILL.
On the motion of Lord ALTHORP that the house re-
Wye itself late a committee at the *arm bill,
Mr. KEN] ON propoeto that instroakee be gives to the
oxotatteca to give two atewbere to every musty In Wales.
Whoa be wooW4 his speech, the Speaker htfeesood Moe
that
othis*. tidies referred to clause IS, which was 'beady
div
Mr. KENTON diem altered the mottos, so u to adept
it to the pelmet eseeeisa
I_'be qweedes brag loco put tram the Chair.
La* AMOR? sinned tbot Wales had no no-
soft he slavish of the mellows which was made for
It in the NIL Two Maskers wen not given to each
sung he WAN Ware they was Dot of such importance
as the geglisii counties so which additional Menthe:a was
given.

St C. WETHERELL recommended to his Hon.
Fri•nd to withdraw his motion, In consequence of what fill
from the Noble Lord.
The motion wen withdrawn, and the House went into a
Comadttee, end resumed the discussion on clause 16.
Oa the question that the wadi lame or assignee be he.

gees,
Colonel 11BTHORPE ptopseed his amendment, which
wee is fleet, that tenants at will should be sodded to a
vote. His intendment was, that lases fide tenants sad se-
aulaaa paying SOL a- ear vent, be entitled to s vote for
Kn%bts of the Sbid rThe 101. tenants at will, In counties,
woes skcst
woe
of mins, and ought not to
be diegnided woe by this
Tho.CHA dot he was given to leadsmen&
by die dot be had no objection to *bedsore
talkie •

Cal. 81BTHORPE said that the mistake which he had
falba iota was staibutabb to the aside lord (Alths9). The
auteadineut was before the house, and it ought to ta►e it,
chews.

Cod. WOOD thought that this was the recite time to
ham tho amendment introduced into the clause.

—The Slarquls of CHANDOS thought that the farmer of
SOL a year, would be found to be as sound as a lOL boost.
bolder in cities. He therefore thought they ought to km a
vote, and be shookd propose an amendment to that effect.
—His amendment was, that any person occupying my
bow and land of 601. a year, and being in possemioo fur
one year, should be entitled to a vote or member for the
county.
After a few words from Mr. C. Pelham, Mr. Robinson,
Lord Milton, Sir E. Sugden, Mr. C. Wynne, Colonel Sit.
timer, Sir C Wetherell, Mr. C. Ferguesen, and Mr. Hunt.
Lord MILTON said be looked with jealousy upon any
thaw in this system of representation t to copyleolders be
had had no great ob.jection ; but be had eassiderabk to lease-
holders being admitted into the constituency, because he
thought it would have the effect of placing the county rem.
mutative in the hands of an oligarchy. He proposed to omit
the words—" or who shall hold."

Sir E.SUODEN contended that if the proposition of the
noble lord were acceded to, the foundation of the bill would
be attacked He thought that it was impossible they could
refuse seceding to the motion of the noble marquis.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER mid that
theoretically the freeholder was the only paws who ought to
have the vote, but when they came to look at the matter
practically, it was impossible to dens the tight of persons
holding for long terms of years. or these, and the rea.
seas stated by the hon. and learned gentleman, he (Lord
Althorn) must oppose the motion of his noble friend.
After a few words from Col. Davies, Lord Althorn, Mr.
Baring, Lord Milton, and Mr. Hunt, the question that the
blank be filled up with 60 years was agreed to.
The question that the neat blink relative to the qualifice.
lion of freeholders, copyholders, and leaseholders, for eizt7
years, be filled up with the words 101. was also agreed to.
On the question that the nest blank relative to leasehold.
era for seven years, be filled up with 601,
The Marquis of CHANDOS moved as an amendment,
that any person farming and occupying land, paying a rat
of 60L and holding the same for one year, should hare the
right of voting.
Mr. WESTERN supported the motion of the Noble
Marquis.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could Ca
agree with the motion of the noble marquis,;for he (Lad
Altborp) could not consent to place the 101. householders is
towns and tenants at will in the counties upon the same
footing.
After some observations from Col. Sibthorpe, Sir C. lits.
tell, the Marquis of Chandos, Mr. Mildmay, Alr. limit,
Mr. Hodges, Mr. H. Hugh.s, Mr. Alderman
Mr. Bolton, BIT. Adeane, Mr. Gisboene, Mr. Sandford, sad
Mr. Tyrrell, who severally supported the amendment.
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the gallery was
cleared. The numbers were,
For the Amendment .. .• •.. 232
Against it 1411
Majority for the Amendment ee
After some conversation between Lord ALTHORT ad
the Marquis of CHANDOS, it was ultimately proposed that
the Chairman should then report progress, on the radon.
standing that the noble lord's amendment should sued
part of the clause.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ramrod
his proposition of sitting on Saturday.
The CHAIRMAN then reported, progress, and °baled
leave to sit again. ;
The other Orders of the Day were then disposal of; sad
the House adjourned at a Quarter•paat Two o'Clock.
REFORMERS WHO IrOINED TILE ANTI-
REFORMERS IN FAVOUR OF £5O FARMING
TENANTRY.
Adeane, H. J. Macdonald. Sir J.
Amity, Sir J. Marjoribanks, S.
Verlag, Sir T. Martin, J.
Bayntun, Captain Mayhew, W.
&nett, J. Mildmay. P.
addisipb, R. M. Mills, J.
Blake, Mr F. bionics, Hon H.
Bound,, Hon D. P. Moayn. IL M. L.
!Toured., P. P. Penrhyn.
Brayen. T. Petit, Hoes. Z.
Brougham, J. Pryse, P.
Burrell, Sir C. Bickford, W.
Buck, L.
Caney, T. Ridley,
T.ar.
N.
Carter, J. 11 Ilablases. G. R.
Clive.. Edward B. SeaMbed. IL A.
Colborne, N. W. E. &este, Ws IL D.
Davies, Colonel fikipsfithe Mr G. Bala
Denison. W. J. 8 fie G.
Enron, R. 1111=1. R. M.
Follies, Sir W, 'Ehrodtmortoo, E. G.
Gisborne, T. Townehend. Lord C.
Gordon, R. TYrolls C.
Greene, T. G. Veeeirks, W.
Guise, Sir B. W. Verses. G. H.
Gunny, IL H. Violist. Me F.
Harcourt. G. V. Weaspaelk, Lord
Heathatte, 0. J. Wean, W. R.
Hodges, T. L. Webb, Colonel
Madras, J. Western, C. C.
Hoskin, X. Weyland, ' -
Whitmore.

Howard, N.
_,lreW.
Hughes,
Hughes, Colour! WNIIMIT. Sir S.
lime, H. SCOTLAND.
Johustooe. Sir i. V. AP•v•
Jahostooe, Hope Csayllse. W. F.
Meg, S. S. OW" W. D.
Lee, J. L. H. ISILLAND.
Lefevre, C. S. Prowahlk
Lanes. Sir C. Fllagleak Hoe L
Leonard, T. B. Hort, Shr W. Dsrs.
Lloyd, Sir S. P.

. .
FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE.
-.—.......
CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES.
NIONDAT, Ana. 116.
After some seesetheeuts of Oen. Lafayette had bole ea
IVA. Ipso peollesi the following amendment 6 Gs le
your pm
abed% ea toi the wiefertaan d
the Mrs, the it ties We with istiethetice a
°middy meet Slag, that the 'unsung
et the !eke id he
The Mos. Wit boob( this ausaiimet ia
• suss& et endtheelde
2wileksited
Mr. Feld leis mewitiessed fits wild et arelleet:
44 bogs" should he theithei ha the elded iseb •
Aft the Eager atlas Seals bed: - amenh
stet
ansukust of M. Felix Bodin, sod de Whet
of M. /pee. the President, apse the 0
the Cheater, dederei the dismal= dosed,
= to pa
t she anamitheue ot the Lew he se t
reseembees beheld thus, elemeeill to the Teta
Elirolic
Choate; the salbeimithst of N. Felix &die
pet IBM The dm
however, esalatethed thumper,.
sembleassibs Oda dm widen mimed im their de.
mob th=e the ado4iNgefilai ebeel4 ben she pressiseth
Is the Mister the ethileisa shin from tab pt,
nodded et the Guild Nee to meek, bat was
mewed to the erica of "Older, order, order—she dleesidea
le dried.
The President of the Cousell—l &mad to epoch. , 1-,
Voices es the left—The disoasibm is dead.
•
The Praiderth—The !meths' est yet samotherd. , ..•
The Coate —d the sigeleties. (Meat
M. Tema, with meglimis--need the ITsbuilrring*
No owe ea yea wits du amegm is
AL Gist.-1 immi se yak open the gleye gt, Ile
queen's.
M. Mareshat—The Ithildeut ought so soh dialitSigi-
lathes is eadweed. Be dies eat de se. - t-
in. Ouise•-Whee a Minister dieesais le apish, he suet
to be head.
is
(Vass
ant the extriniths)—" lie is tee ids obi debate
elesed.)
MM. lititeivilis and limed addiessitreo sou-
Citir the Preektheit of she edgily, dessenii
F ibues, whirs he is waiting edgily Ysow
il bibbed. • •
M. idtsevinw—A4 a Ding, she Proems ego Com.
en hes me tight to qesk, est be I* tee ea=ts dem a• •
iaisew—(the mask thessaesi4
M. Depth—The diathesis* is shed apes Able lesene 4.
the ogee, that is Blears but the Mthisier dea=d le be
heed the meths et the gtheeleikw.(esime.),. . ~ . .
The fessithat—thaulussea mu this
Plc
•II"4. M.
het. Par reopen your digaity.
Mon muumessil isi c=ows= dedsses• la ,_ 1•141_
vies eital...ll with me mesh theuthil.. dal we Noy '
1 seised • are temultsews sems.) , •

nupin, and several other meMbers, ape at once, and
-xith different Intentions—" The regulation, read the regula-
tion:, (The disorder increases every minute )
31, Demarcay (ascending the tribune, and addressing him-
self to M. Casimir Per)—lf you will allow me, lam going
to speak upon the reference to the resolution.
The President—Gentiensen, you are unmindfttl of the
dignity of the Assembly. Listen to the speaker who is at
the tribune.
31. Dubois—Bat the discussion cannot be re-opened upon
the merits of the question.
Dupin—e President of the Council does not intend
to speak upon the merits. Listen to him.
M. Rouille de Fontaine—l maintain that a Minister
ought always to be heard.
The President—The President of the Council has alone
the tight to speak, and I demand it for him—(violent
tumult).
31. Casimir Perier—l ask to be allowed to reply, and I
Vase a right to it.
Voices at both extremities—We have told you an hundred
:dines that the discussion is closed.
The President—The President of the Council demands to
speak on behalf of the regulation.
31. Casimir Paier—l speak not on behalf of the regula-
tion, but on behalf of the Charter, and for the Charter—
(nor exclamations on the left).
Cklilion Barrot—You invoke the Charter against the
lotion; at another time, perhaps, you will invoke the
glation against the Charter—(immense uproot).
31. Casimir Perier—l am a Minister of the King, and I I
claim my right—(the tumult increases.)
Tne President—This question is a very serious one, and
ought to be discussed with calmuess—(hear, hear). It is a
question of the greatest importance.
31. Dupin—Read the Charter: a Minister has always a
tight to be heard.
The President—lt is for the Chamber to pronounce if
the question shall be put—(the agitation subsides.)
31. Casimir Paler—lt is impossible under present cir-
cumstances, in respecting the rights of the Chamber, that
should not insist upon the Chamber's respecting the prero-
gatives of the King's ministers. I demand, in conformity
with the terms of the Charter (Here the agitation
Is at its height ; cries are heard from all parts of the assem-
bly. The voice of the President is completely drowned
is the shouts of 'Go on, go on !' Silence, you have no
right to speak !' You have.')
31. Davoux—Ymi wish to violate the regulation in the
name of the Chaney—(violent agitation on the left, many
members get no the benches, and protest with great energy.)
M. Casimir Peeler—You cannot deprive me of the right
of being heard. lam a minister of the King.
M. UdiUon Barrot ascended the tribune, on the opposite
side to that of M. Jolivet.
31. Casimir Pain (turning to M. (Milton Barrot) Sir,
this is a question of power.
Othllon Barrot—You exceed your powers.
M. Royer Collard—l wish to explain the precedents of
the Chamber; the same difficulty has already arisen several ,
times (the noise increases).
Door-keepers—Silence, gentlemen !
Several voices—No, no, no silence
Dl. Casimir Perin—l have a right to speak, and I insist
en it. Clamour cannot move me (fresh uproar on the left),
I repeat again, I insist upon my right, not in virtue of the
regulation, but of the Charter (no, no.)
The Deputies at both extremities rise en argue, and with
so much energy, that a sort of pante reaches to the tribunes.
The noise is heard out of doors, and gives rise to a great
many odd conjectures.
31. Jousselin clambers up the tribune, through the midst
of the Deputies, and calls out, " The rights of the Chamber
most not be violated."
Voices at the extremities—" This does not intimidate us."
(lien the hon. member approached so near to M. Perim,
and spoke with so much warmth, that several Deputies
thought he was going to seize him by the collar.)
31. C. Perier—Will theoy violence against me?
N. Prunelle—This is scandalous ; never was any thing
like it before.

The President, having useiwly rang his bell, and seeing
the impossibility of obtaining silence, coveted himself, and
said a few words which we could not hear.

The Chamber adjourned for an hour in the midst of ex-
treme agitation, and expressions that we dare not repeat.
At a quarter to seven o'clock the Chamber met again.
The President : It was with great regret that, after having
cud all the means in my power to obtain order in the Cham-
ber, I was obliged to use the last resource allowed me. The
Chamber will feel that some delicate questions must arise,
sad will listen with calmness to the speakers, and decide as
it their duty. Similar tumults will render a representative
government impossible. They will convert this place Into an
arena for the display of angry passions, where only the in-
terests of France ought to be attended to, and discussed with
dignity. (Approbation.)
A Member—his now past seven—the sitting ought not
to be continued.

The PazarDENT—The sluing is adjourned till to-
/1101701V.

The Deputies continued to discuss among themselves,
and retired in the midst of great tumult and disorder.
T neonate, Ave. 18.—Al. 0110 D Da L'Azza, the Prod.
dent, took the Chair at half past 12 o'clock, when 111. RASS.
SU 'Mali rose, amid =agitation, to offer a few words on
the incident of the lon of yesterday. M. Rambutesu
proposed a reedit:Won to the account of the debate drawn
up by the Seaemay of the Chamber, and to add to it that
the President of the Council, on leaving his bench, and be-
fore be ascended the tribune, had loudly declared that it was
cot as • Minister that he was going to speak, but as a
Deputy, and merely to put the question in the clearest man-
ner possible. M. Rambutean stated that there were besides
many precedents of the Ministers having been allowed to
speak after the discussion had been closed.
M. Royer Collard said, thathe had been a member of that
Chamber since its establishment in 1814. He bore testi-
mony to the precedents cited by M. Rambuteast, and that
minister had never been denied the privilege of speaking be.
tore or after the discussion bad closed.
31. Casimir Perier vindicated his conduct ; be claimed the
prerogative of the throne, which was violated in his person
as minister ; and that, as deputy, which was equally in-
fringed, he invoked the charter, and the regulations of the
Chamber, which allowed him to put the question in its real
light. He insisted that the Prerogatives of the throne bad
been violated, and that whenever this was attempted, it was
the duty of the minister to come forward to vindicate them,
soder penalty of treason.
M. Jolivet declared that the members at his aide of the
house had not beard the'demand made by the minister.
He regretted that he did not repeat it from the tribune;
tor, in that ease, he certainly hat a right to spesk ; that be
(31. Jolivet) distinctly beard him claim his Mir" as
minister. He, however, dlfibred with him wi regaid
to the explanation he gave of the 48th article of the
Charter, which was not at all applicable to the present
use. He rejected every pws..t quoted by /11M. Ram-
Mum and Royer Collard, as injurious the Chamber of
1831, inasmuch as they were taken from the slavish Chain-
herof 1824.
M. Lempeteur stated that the sainiater bad a right to
speak ; that, at any rate, he ought to have been heard first,
urea he might, as a Councillor of the Crown, come to an.
nurses the dissolution of the Chamber, or present a govern-
ment communication.

IL WM= Barrot mid that, if the President of the
Council had not been allowed to speak, it wee because the
Chamber supposed that he wanted to 110201111C111X the dis-
cussion. It was a mere misaoderstanding. The question,'
however soon changed, when 11. Perim turned it to one
of prerogative. He acknowledged that a Minister of the
King bed a right to prolong the discussion as much as
he Pinged, in spits of the Chamber to interrupt a dis-
cussion, or even an orator la the midst of his speech,
for the communication be bad to make might be a dis-
solution; but when a din:maim was closed without asa-
ttedktion, when the Ministers themselves perhaps voted
for it, and that the decision, *nee taken by the Cham-
ber, ought to be consideted ass thing judged, the
Ministers had no right to be heard. There must. he said, be
• to that indefinite power claimed by the Ministers;
reason and goud sense point it outs the moment • decision
has been taken by the Chamber, both the Deputies and
Slinbtm must submit to it. He begged of the Chamber to
relinquish the question of prerogative, which would lead it'
'bto a protracted and dilt debate; and to be satisfied
. ,
sou the nplanation given by M. Rambutesu, and the Pre-
aldent of the Council.
M. Bathe, Minister of Justice, insisted en snaking it a
filtration of prerogative; and be rested his conviction on the
right conferred on Ministers br the 48th article of the
Cbartet, which could not be modified by an article of the
regulations of the house.
—M. Testy moved the elder of the day ; bat before he left
44 tribune he protested that nese of the members at his
side of the house had heard M. Pater all for leave to speak'
oil the question ; hat he denied the eight of the ministate,
111 Tirttlt of the 41Ith ankle of the theme, to ,peek after
41 close of a dismission.

After a few observations from Messrs. Paler, They,
°sabot, Mauguin, Witte, /he. who repeated the Grimmest&
for endowing( the ministerial interpretation of the Mph sni-
ck of the Charter, the Chamber passed to the order of the
day, and decided there was no occasion to rectify the proem
verbal of the sitting of rater& .
Thn Chamber then proceeded to disease the @Web of the
Address which gave rise to the incident of the day before.
The question was, whether the word Ups or that of anteing/
should be inserted in the paragraph of the Address relating
to the Polish question.
M. Bissau moved that the Chamber should express the
eerfainie that the mationatity of Poland should not perish.
hi. Felix Bodin proposed to substitute the word hope for
certainty. In that rested the whole difficulty.
M. Perin combatted M. Bignon's amendment, of which
its anther, he was sure, bed not calculated the full bearing.
It wu a question of peace and war which the Chamber was
going to decide. The Ministry concurred in the amendment
of M. Felix Bodin.—(Left speaking.)
[On the debate or hams& of Monday, and on the whelp
of Mese proccedinge. two of Me Paris Paper see
sensible remarks. labia we introduos for She beater infer-
mains of English readers.]
From the Messager des Chantbres of Tuesday.
The sitting of yesterday offered a spectacle of
the most afflicting description. The discussion had
just turned against the opposition. The amend-
ments of M. de Lafayette relative to Italy and Po-
land had been rejected, and the sub-amendment of
M. Bignon, and the additional amendment of M.
Felix Bodin, were being discussed, when a dispute
arose which should first be disposed of, the amend-
ment or the sub-amendment. M. Casimir Puler
having requested to speak, cries arose from all
parts of the Chamber, and an exceeding tumult m-
ined. In vain did the President endeavour to re-
store order, they would not give M. Casimir Perrier
the least hance of being heard : the opposition
called aloud for an end of the discussion, declaring
that the Minister should pot speak. We will offer
but one simple observation on this subject.
Did the, opposition know what M. Casimir
Perier was desirous of saying ? Why not at least
listen to him, to hear what be would say? He bad
an incontestable right to be heard. If not, the
' declaration of the charter " that the Ministers
were to be beard every time they chose to demand
attention." is violated. The President of the
Council had at least a right to speak upon the
merits of the question.
Among other preeedents we call to mind that of
General Foy, who, on a certain occasion, being
desirous of speaking upon a subject when the de-
bate had been closed, begged the minister to say
one word for the purpose of re-opening the dis-
cussion; the minister complied, and the debate
recommenced accordingly. M. Perrier. who had
been on the opposition side for 15 years, who was
the friend of General Foy, and had a thorough
knowledge of the jurisprudence and customs of the
Chamber, must also have precedents to offer.—
Hear him—No ! There is certain questions to be
discussed; hear him at least on the merits of the
question—No, no, no !

It is impossible to give the remotest idea of the
tumult and confusion which prevailed in the Cham-
ber for more than an hour.

(From the Journal du Commerce of Tuesday.)
The discussion of this day related more particu-
larly to foreign affairs. There were two important
amendments proposed during this sitting: one by
General Lafayette, relative to the affairs of Italy ;
the other by M. Bignon, concerning the affairs of
Poland.
The amendment of M. Lafayette was in a man-
ner divided into two parts. By the first, that the
chamber should declare to have the right to wait
the complete retreat of *the Austriap troops. This
wish, expressed in a manner se formal, was nothing
but just, and the project of the commission having
already treated concerning the evacuation of the
tardire, they could, without hazard, demand the
minister to remedy the weakness of the past neg.-
elation, by a firm and energetic step. This amend-
ment will by no means compromise the chamber,
and it would probably not have adopted it, were it
not for the addition of the second part, and which,
in our opinion, deviates a little from the principle
which we laid down for our own guidance, from
the beginning of the revolution.
The amendment of M. Bignon, relative to Pa-
-1 land, refers to quite a different question. The
Polish revolution has been accomplished; it has
been legitimatized in the eyes of the people by a
noble resistance, and is viewed in the same light
by different Cabinets, in consequence of the glori-
ous victories which have crowned their arms. Who
can refuse the title of nation to a people which
may be held up as an example to all other coun-
tries

For what purpose have the ministers persisted in
interfering in the discussion of an address which
ought to be the spontaneous expression of the
wishes of the Chamber ? For instance, the Mi-
nister of Commerce and the Minister of Public
Instruction, who did not take part in the discus-
sion as Deputies, have they a right to come for-
ward and oppose propositions made by the mem-
bers of the Chamber.

The mania for subjecting every thing to their
will, even the most trifling matters ; for opposing
every measure, whether violent or moderate, hos-
tile or amicable, and thus losing their temper when
any obstacle presents itself, and wishing to reduce
every thing to what a journal of this morning calls
a spirit of wise obedience, cannot be said to agree
well with a Repredentative Government, which
is a constant medium of intercourse between op-
posite interests, and from the shock of such re-
sistance a skilful power ought to derive ex-
perience.

DUTCH PAPERS.
HEAD-QUARTIRS, LoDvAIN, Auo. 13,
3 r.x.—l have the honour of informing your Ma-
jesty that, according to the negociations entered
into yesterday, at 12 et noon, the troops under the
command of General Niellon, surrendered the city
of Louvain to the first brigade of the third division.
Your Majesty's troops were well received in the
city. Riding between Tongeren and Louvain, I
met the French Ambassador, General Billiard, and
General Caurestine, who commands the advanced
guard of the French army under Marshal Gerard,
and who Tres sent to me by the Marshal to inform
me that the French army was already at Gres' ad-
vancing from Warr. on my left flank. Both of
these gentlemen communicated to me the arrange-
ments made between your Majesty and Franco, by
which the peace of Holland and France remain se-
cure. I have come to an understanding with them
that I shall to-morrow begin to retire to North
Brabant.
" ORDSR OP THE DAY.
66 Uwe* Aug, la. •
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THE EVENING STAR.

LONDON, FRIDAY,
17-1 D AUGUST 19.
TO CORRICI%ENT&
The excellent Stansas of war correeposdant B. will appear
to-morrow.

03ft O'CLOCK, Tst• DAT.—nterMealtter, 17. Ba-
rometer, 2941/b. Wind N. Windier, cloudy.

Since the decisions of some minor points con-
nected with the French addreu in favour of the
ministry, which we noticed on Saturday, the de-
bates have been carried on from day to day with
extraordinary beat, and we refer our readers ups-
cially to the uproar which took place on
Tuesday. The French minister evidently wants
the amenity of Lord A I:mom., and opposes
the pride of official system to the demands
which the patriots make in favour of Po-
land and Italy, and in which demands all the
world, out of the French Cabinet, sensitively sym-
pathise. Some amendments have in the mean
time been adopted, and others rejected ; but in
quoting the Charter of Louis the XVIIIth as a rule'
for France, M. PE It IEII mistakes the character of
the age, and the spirit of the late revolution. The'
Chambers are the sole guardians of French liberty.
In Belgium the Dutch have retired, and there
seems to be no doubt but the French troops will,
wholly or partly, remain till all questions in dis-
pute are finally adjusted. The reports that Leopold
will return to England, and await events, are re-
newed both at Paris and Brussels. The Prussians
are evidently in a state of preparation.

A meeting which creates confidence in the Irfrib
friends of reform, took place in Dublin on Tues-
day, preparatory to the nomination of Messrs.
LATOUCHIL sad o*Louont.zs. The Lord Mayor
was in the Chair, and the speakers were his
Lordship, Mr. LATOUCIII, Mr. D. HeolLT, Mr.
H. GIITTOW,Oi SIRS, Mr. MURPHY, Mr.
Lawasse, A. FLentoo, Mr. B. MULLZIIII,
Mr. CURRAN, Mr. J. Hotta, Mr. H•MILT011,
Mr. T. F. ItaLLY, Mr. R. Roa, Mr. I.
Powsn, RIITNOLDS, Mr. D. C. La-
TOUCPS.,mOI-.lllr. Serjesat O'LOWOHLIN, the
cendl4oC,;lo. 1. D. filuaLzw, and Mr. P.
Corresltapat%lningeating was immense, and the
f0n0.01541#04 passed by unanimous
acclamation : . •
Movni:lollslKfittt emended by J. Hamilton, Esq.
1. Zbinnedinesbus that two atedidetee eyymai to
eanneenembieneelone tamped the deems et Me
./.11Viritilat jealdel husk= to fele
jettersile dleeloge et IdeperUsteentery
dads, disislinissiesser is memrp—lgasssat et eir
trattetesteemereseely Mops* of sieseeng eta lawmen
redldirdet.

Moved by Rob. Roi, Esq. seconded by John Power, Faq.
" That as David Charles Latouche, Esq. and Mr. Ser-
jesne O'Logblln, appear to us to possess the several
qualities moot desirable is a representative at a period like
the present, we do pledge ourselves individually and collet-
'lively, to give them our most strenuous support, and use
every elation and influence in our power to secure their
1 return.
Moved by Joseph D. Mallen, Esq. seconded by Patrick
Costelloe. Esq.
• That as a great and peculiarly unreasonable expense, by
reason of the short duration of the present Parliament, may
be entailed upon the candidates now selected to maintain
this great struggle for the just rights and liberties of the
people, it is not only expedient, but absolutely necessary,
that a subscription be forthwith raised to meet the capes.
dhow, and that a committee of thirty one be accordingly
appointed to soUdt and raise such subscriptions, and apply
them for the attainment of the object for which they were
granted. -

We think it proper to notice a second meeting of
Irish Members, called yesterday, by Mr. STA N LE Y,
at Lord A LTUORP'S, and its object was to recon-
cile the Irish Members to a compromise in regard
to the Yeomanry, whose total disbandment is de-
mended. Government, as a modification, propose
a Bill to place them in battalions, under
the orders and controul of the new Lord Lieute-
nants of counties, and to establish depots for their
arms instead of allowing them to carry them to
their awn houses. This plan was, however, re-
garded as giving permanency to an obnoxious force,
and was, therefore, inflexibly opposed. Lord
Althorp and Mr. Stanley then promised to give
the subject further consideration, and to shape the
regulations with a desire to combine, as for as pos-
sible, all wishes. For our parts, in alluding to this
subject, we are decidedly averse to the use of military
force in civil government, because when any distur-
bance becomes too general to be suppressed by the
constable's staff, there must be some exciting cause
worthy of inquiry and redress. The constable's
staff we regard in civil government as the emblem
of law and liberty ; and the sword and bayonet
only as the convenient instrument of unreasonable
and overbearing despotism.

In the House or LORDS last night, a discus-
lion of no interest to the public took place about
privileges at the Coronation.
In the Committee on the Beer bill the Duke of
Wellington urged a clause to limit the hours,
but this Lord Melbourne resisted as to towns,
conceding as to the country. The Bishop of
London objected to their being open on Sundays.
Lord Wynford urged eight in winter, nine in summer,
and one hour on Sundays. Lord Carnarron thought
no beer ought to be consumed on the premises.—
Lord Melbourne said, the houses were to be closed
from eleven to one, and three to five, on Sundays.
The Bishop of London demanded a clause to pro-
hibit skittle-grounds, which, however, he withdrew.
Lord Teaterden proposed, that a single constable
should be empowered to enter at any hour.
In these discussions, which render the houses
unprofitable, none of their lordships moved to re-
turn the license money, and to indemnify the par-
ties for humble preparations, in which they have
staked their all, in confidence on the good faith of
an act of parliament.

After the presentation of various petitions in the
Commons, Mr. Hams brought forward the ex-
tremely hard case of Mums. Lescene and Facof-
fery, who had been removed from Jamaica in 1823,
but Lord Howick objected to printing their case,
which ,be said would cost 5 0001.
__ _ _ .

Mr. Robinson called the attention of the house
to the reciprocity treaty with France on January
26, 1826, and to the fact that France, on the Bth
of the following month, raised the duties on all
tonnage, ao that British ships had to pay higher
duties than French ships paid in British ports. Lord
Palmerston admitted the justness of Mr. R.'s com-
plaints ; but stated that the subject was now under
discussion with the French Government—on

which Mr. A. withdrew his motion for papers.
Mr. Hunt alluded to the extensive seizures for
smuggling, &c. in Fleet-street and Gutter Lane;
and Mr. P. Thompson said the highest penalties of
the law would be enforced.

It was settled that W. Sadler's motion for Irish
Poor Laws should be brought forward on Monday
week. _

Sir R. Vyvyan moved, after a speech of great
length, for papers relative to Belgic affairs, in
which he was seconded by Load Eliot, who al-
luded to the concession of the Cape, Demerara,
and Berbice, as equivalent to Holland for the
Netherlands.

Lord Palmerston replied with his usual firm- 1
nese; but in the actual state of the negotiations
declined to snake disclosures.

Air. O'Connell being alluded to by Sir R.
Vyvyan, replied with great severity, and spoke of
the tail of the faction to which the Baronet be-
longed. He related with great energy the fact,
that though the Belgic Notables declined the
King of Holland's Constitution by 796 to
527, yet he decided it as carried, and, at
the same time, abolished Trial by Jury, and
ultimately the Liberty of the Press, which he sub-
jected to his own servile judge*. He also set up
as a personal monopolist in trade, and transferred
all the public establishmentsto Holland, while he
officered the Belgic troops with Dutchmen. This
speech was received with reiterated cheers.
Mr. Trevor and Mr. Baring followed, the latter
alleging that it was impossible to prevent Bel-
gium becoming an integral part of France, that it
ought to be united to Holland, and that the pro-
ceedings of the Conferences were absurd.
Mr. Hume replied with his usual clearness.
Sir R. Peel contended that on various vital con-
tinental questions, the house ought not by system
to be kept in the dark as it hied lately been. He
digressed to Irish affairs, the yeomanry, Mr.
O'Connell, &c.
Mr. Hunt congratulated France on the bold
front assumed by her armies, and expreeied hie
bops that nothing would occur to force LOOM
return to England 1 •OtiT .1 4
Sir K. Vyvyan replied, and then solibffslea
motion. •ve wee
In the refers coinektee, Mr. watriii.
posed that the W. connotive altonbl *MIR
members each; bet UM Mho" aided eat the
increase far Weise, awl esie• it Arab be6-ehal.
sidereal

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• In discussing the 16th clause Coh.nel B=
proposed that annual farming tenants of £so'
vote for counties; and the Marquis of dtandes
repeated the same propesitien. Lord Milton Mewed
for the omission of leaseholders, but after Ohms
conversation this was negatived.
The Marquis of Chandos then renewed his mo-
tion for f. 50 tenants to rote, and wee supported
by Mr. Western. Col. Sibthorp, Sir. C Burrell, Mi.
Mildmay, Mr. Benett, Mr: Hodges, Mr. Bolton,
Mr. Adeane, Mr. Sandford, Mr. Hughes, and Ald.
Venables, and opposed as dangerous to the inde-
pendence of county voters by Lord Althorp. On a
division, which was clamorously callel for, there
appeared two hundred anti thirty • two for these 601.
rotes, end only 14R against them ; the majority
of 84 being against the original principle of the
clause, and in our opinian very injudicious, as
giving an undue influence to lauded proprietors.