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`rot think the tate shch *w isfm I. a remairk of that 'fight Honourable Gentletnan) that ..catheserlcoUstudp‘sepnien,Ofttsivtiithisitionncy, prodeoltiteethildinthai -k• Imre
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ety of I. setry to stake his character, or any thiog he raluedkoh
by Resolution*, add therefor** had i ale •Ad4ress was not the Addresi of his Honourable York. '.the proof that a written paper w:ts ins handwritiag. •
to the •Miedia- nit) pritad4:blit the
dress according production of those who hadhadeooler was guilty of all the ehurres,htought *dust- lihnek --/re order toluvalidate the testimony of Mrs.,Cuirke,
tg only inform. He had sittitiAited i heads, whoa thought more, but who Wished theit- Would hive been impossible to prove the! :without the Right Honourable Gentleman, and the Learned •
able to reduce the 'whole into one I selves, to finch-the' question. Ar all times, he was at 'i.admitting the testimony of accomplices. .. • • Gentleman who 'had just spoken, had adverted, to'
ten, which it would not be difeetilt bti enemy to such hisinuationsi m are. partiedlarly when :. With respect-to the testimony 'of Mrs. Clarke, it come contradictions in her evidence. The Learned '
hi in order to prevent the case from , they were 01,:eiausty unfounded. He did not knot( , had been urged'against lit that her motives cast a cloud's Member (Mt. BuitTos)' had stated oil a former night,/ •
divided, as in the manner PrOlXisi'dief Whim the insinuation applied,. or whom the Right upon het evidence, and that therefore she was not to te-that these• contradictions were not fewer. than 21.. in
)I.e Gentleman opposite, Ninth respect Hod; Gentleman 'memo, when. he •used• thf words .be believl'i. This point had been so well a.d So' ably I number; but he had oartictilari4ed only one. He.: .
•a from the Right Honourable Getti- it cooler heads, '-arid -applied the denomination design; argued last night by an Hole Gentleman ( Mr. ewas, therefore,' 10 consider those imputed' wine!. •
floor (a topic which had been teeth= tifigitleif:ttft-if arses futile iu the extreme to urge such Whitbread), that-it would be necessary for him but I,tradictions which had been observed upon by othe:',,--
.earned Gentleman towards the'tlose objectloits: 'Whoever :hey •have
,drawn. the,Ad- . briefly to refer to it. ; Froth the evidence it appeared, 1; The first coutredictioa was that in which her rev. i - -
to the influence which public opinion ; dress, it -fts•thameasie4 or his Hneourahle Friend, : that Mrs. Clarke • had passed four or five days •at mony it-supposed to be contredeted- by tbat.of jtiiia
,pun the proceedings Orthat House, and lt •sss finfelei; tinpaelietnentary, and approaching liattipstead, dettroying turd herning her papers. • If Knight, about the injan•ctions to Secrecy from. she - •
.ceive to what it applied. He Was sure ito disorder,' %%tee any member propOsea any rneaz ; these papers had not been burned, they would in all Duke of York. But the transaction accursed ke:ii •
een nothing in the speech or address sure; to Say that it was not his Measure, There was probability be now printed, /Ind •on th'e table of that ; years ago, and it Wilj natural to think that she woil:d
;sle Friend, nor in the address of the Mink In the AddresSwhich•-he approved, and would ;Rouse. Here he. must • observe, • upon an argument be anxious not .to Make any-incautious exposure ..fe
Member, that cOuld'afftird a ground tupptirti eedtt though it did not go the length -which which had been used, that, if it was true. as had been f her practices, lest they shotdd..beput astop to. Ac
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at they had been framed with. a` view :.the Right Mole Gentleman wished, or which even nc charged, that Mrs. Clarke had supported her este- , the ccmgradiction, irt a more recent instance, ti.ligAtie
of public opinion,-or that the House would himself have desired. But when the Right :Islishineot by employing her influence with the peke-, Lord proved- freest a reference to the 'minutes.* th-ft
to agree to either for that purpose. Othtletnan found faUlt with the Address, for lof York in procuring military piennotione, as ten thou- the appearance of contradiction might have aris-et•
;ertain, no attempt of that-kind Was not going theslingth he desired, could he not perceive : sand such appointments had token p;a:e witilA she from ntisconceptioa. Tice Noble Lord then pmcee-1.. •
If it wet*, he would be the last man any inifitive of delitacy, with respect to the rank of the was under the protection of the Duke of York, thetebie ed to take a view of the other contradictions said to •
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istify such art attempt. lie rement. to whom it referred, for not stating all that ' mightbe covered with cases. But if these papers, which exist, and by loge onus comment and clear elucid L. •
Arsego, he had Ventured, with• somericalrialseenproved upon the subject ?He thought that Mrs. Clarke hadilestroyed, had been preserved, there tion endeavoured to stew, that there really existed ;le
ow sentiments ,and opinions in that the House would act wisely, as he was convinced his might have heen"-yeany more cases brought forward.—; contradiction at all.. He then proCeeded to comment
teeth of a very strong impression. of. Honourable Friend had judiciously, in not intro- ; Mrs. Clarke could 'not remember ali that• had passed on other parts of the evidence, It had been argu
fur which at the time they had been ducin4 stronger words into the Address, which would , four years age. said scifar from thinking it surprising that because Miss 'l'-e-steir did recollect precisely LI:-
odium and execr.tpiOn of the publics prove •only the effect .of wounding paternal feeling, • that sof4weaseS Wad been brought forward,he thought phrase that hhd been node use 0f,.-that therefore c'
il-to what 'passed on. that occasion, and disgracing a personage, but a few steps removed it wonderful that-so Many had been produced, and so ought not to b! believed. She never had seen Color,tl
a person likelyjo fall in: with public from the throne. Though the Address may not terve ; well madeour, He should next- remark upon the of- French ; and it niust be allowed, that the expresses:,
.it was consistent with-his own best gone to • the extent of the facts which had been di Pensive way in which the Manner of bringing this husi- if used, was a very retmu.kabie one, and likely to iv
do so. In conuneutiag. upon the mo. proved, he, without flinchinie from his own opinion, _ I ness forward had-beeti observed upon, and his Hon. remembered. If she had visited Mrs. Clarke, is-
been submitted '
that eight, the' Right . !mushort t approve of the delicacy; that stopped of IFriend represented as the agent of Mrs. Clarke. Thom, would be recollected that she was a relation ie
sentlesnan had obseived that they were the extreme' limit of the matters in proof.. With re- iwho held.such.language could not of their-own know- her's ; and was Miss Taylor to be held up to Ili:-
te the most proper motives to their spect to the charges, not on the record, but contained ledge know any thing of the matter, and, in his opi. at as a liar, who was totally unworthy of ttc,..7,
course they mey think proper to in the speeches, which had been made during the bu- nion, they had no right to represent the case as they for so other reason but that her brother had marred
:hat observation seemed to imply that siness, that the Commander in Chief had been guilty had done. But the fact was, that the-case was directly Mrs. Clat ke's sister ? The examination had al!-e-idv
•ves were to be ascribed to his Ho- of corruptly assisting his mistress, by allowing her to_ the reverse. His Honourable Friend had been in proved of the most serious cons:quence to Miss Tee. ,
who had instituted the business make profit by using herinfluepce for obtaining mi. town presenting these cases, and providing the mate- for; and it sires hard, that she should be set dawn as
Mote But he could confidently ap- litary promotions; and 231 y. for participating in such rials of bringing•them to some effectual issue long be. altogether unworthy of belief, merely because she was
tole of kis Honourable Friend's con- profits; these charges in his opinion were fully made fore he had-known Mrs.Claike. -He had acted upon connected with. Mrs. Clarke, and therefore associa..osi
beginning of the investigation, to out. But the chief evidence in snrport of these the occasion, in an open, fair, manly, and patriotic ; with tier. It must occur to the Hon,,,Pentlemen oat to -
itch motives, nor any. Undue feeling, charges, was derived through Mrs. Clarke. By the manner, which justly entitled him to the thanks of that other side of the House, that there were teineetnil
ated to him. He was sorry, therefore, labours of the Right Hon. Gentlemen opposite, Mrs. House, and to tle gretitude.of the country. In the ' instaAces among the higher orders in life, where a.,t.
Member should have gone so mucl: out Clarke, whilst flier 'were attempting .to throw: dis- progreSs of his inquiries, his Learned Friend found " only men bat wonten..ot character did associate m i .:;
impute improper motives to his Hon. ; credit upon her testimony with -the Praise, bad that he could not substantiate, by proof, the 'cases he females, whose characters were very doubtful, an.'
was sn obvious . that he must hare , been made to prbve every part 4 these charges most was investigating, until he C 04114 find Mrs. Clarke. perhaps very little better than that of Mrs. Clark.% -s-
-v motives of a fair, openemenly, and fully. •It had been said; on a former night, that The difficulties he had to encounter in his *progres%.! Now, there ought to be sonhehing of cqeal just e.
.ore only. In the course 'Which his persons, blinded by the fascinations- of Mrs.-Clarke, were such as would have deterred -from persevering among the different orders of society, and that
had pursue-3, he had been guided" could not be impartial en• a question respecting in his purpose any person of a less decisive character, justice Would notike done, if Miss Taylor was tr)
I 1.11! purest patriotism, by an upright . her testimony. He kuop. not whetha the impute- or of a mind not so courageous. Some time elapsed discre.li&d, because she did not belong to the high. z
in to overthrow dulse abuses which • ton wits intended fur him, but he could coma- before Mrs. Clarke could be found: whatever Gen. ; class of society, and becauso her parents were
u have existence. There was another : dently state that he WAS 111fitleolCed by no bias in the tleman urea think, there was settle difficulty in finding The exami-nation of Miss Taylor had been conducted
tae speech of the Right Honourable view which he proposed to take from her evidence, that Lady. [4 laugh; arid hear, hear.] He stated .in such away (he did net mean to throw blalne up a
though not eq-fly offensive with land that of the other witnesses, by whose testimony it what was the fact. (Hear, hear.) Whet he knew to any body for it) that it had produced her absolute
still no less strange and un . had beeh corroborated. A Learned' Mentbzr (Mr. be the fact. (Hear, hear.) MrieClarke was.his Ho- .ruiit. Her father was a ruined man, her rnatiwr
The Genthimin hid said, ; Burton) Who was himself hid en a furni:r nottrable Friend's witness. It was t.e that had brought. jail for debt, and she, a virtuous young girl .(.Laugh
that the result of • the present ; night, in coninienting upon Ms, Cho ke's testimony, her to their bar. It was to- support his- charges; and,, from the Ministerial Beaches)—he should repeat,. a:
be rather than attacked it as the testimony of an accomplice, and .at his instigation, that she was • called to give the .virtuous young gl•rl ia however the Gentlemen
I. v. a. 4 it not extraordinary, when stated thatit.onght not to he received, unless combo- evidence which she had done- at the• • Bar of that
.; the. other side of the ouse might. laugh-a: the terra,.
,Av.i to exist —..t% lieu the Right Hon. " rced by the t videfice of ether unimpeached witnesses. House. He kn..sw the fart to be so, and h-id no motive Ihe would sip, there wis nothing in the evidence.
• 1 :L•s Ade:it:Rd that" is •Royid H:gh- ; Mr. 13UICI'Or. here interposed, as he said, for the for misrepresenting it, and it was therefore with stir- nothing ip the deportment of Miss Tayl.tr, at the
• • yew!, teal, hint li tblc, purpose ti saving the time ct the Noltlfs Lord and 01 prise he had heard- it stated or insinuated against his , Bar, which justific:fi them in their roe-tele. slit;
:•- i•h.mistress, to do improper the House, by re-stating what he had said on the oc. • Honourable Friend, that he -was the agent or iortro- -at all contradicted the ju -vv.: 'of the territ • its
' . was in itself improper, easion aluded to. - He did not think he ha.l said, but went of Mrs. Clarke in this busines.c. •He should` here . plied to ht) -he would rcpk-at, this virtuous young
rt. hich :fusses h.td taken piece, ;he was= ca-tain he did- aet mean to, say, that an ac I state by the way, that it had 'been ohj.-cted against girl, when her family was in su:h di ar.-:ss, took -.t
ulio was lihreelt an advocate Of compliee was not to be received as a witness, but not Mrs. Favourite', evidence, that it was marked by for- ; boarding-school for the support of herself and -her
made use of such expressions to •be believed unless corroborated hy.other unim- getfulness. Was that the failip •of Mrs. Clarke's ; younger sister. She had a dc.zen -pupils before she
opinioll, that if any thing could, be: poached testimony. An accomplice was k:witness, testimony ?He could appeal to therecollectitm of the was summoned to attend that House as a waivers
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inn try, it was the ectection• of competent, but not cre•lble, eecjen eerrehorered. House, whether want of memory had been the de-
• the :use would pursue its views, and Lord •FOLY.ESTOYE resumed. Ile was per- feet in her evidence,. or whether she had not in every
;Re: btainess of detecting.abuses, ex- suaded that there.wat but iitrie diirerence is the dis- j case outrun the progress of examination, and detailed
pu.tishing offenders where . tine; ion of the Learned Gentleman, that an accoin- circumstances often by no means connected with the
f :end to exist, it was his firm con- . plice was to be 7ct•,:;yed, but not believed as ;t wit- immediate subject of inquiry ? A great part of the
proceeding, which originated with ness. I•Ie weell met to the House, not what hal matter in proof had came out as it Were by accident,
iiiend Mr. yea:die, for with bin ait cotild t ike upon. iiirree:i to spy, but what he under- her venous examinations ; and however eau:nu-di,
wo:::d he mire beneficial to this coml. s..ond fr-m th se bel:cr (in.:lined to judge, was un- nary some of her declarations appeared at the time,
17 2t" &Send it against all foreign foes, dere/eel to lee admitted and acknow lcdged l-r.v upon they had all tioned out to be foueded ie fact. Many
tea,. ceeld happen in the ordinary pro- this subject, and he should thin leave it to the. House 'of the cases had bzen mentioned by 1.1,r when she
.Irs. But, before he should come more t.i judge whether there was any thing in the distinc- had every reason to suppose that the documents which
notice the Learned Gentleman's state- tioa, of the Learned Gentleman. The authority • conid substantiate them, had been destroyed* at
an observation or two to make upon a from which he was to quote was the fourth bock of Hampstead. ( Hear ! hear !) When she first mentioned
id been adverted to by the Right Hon. Mr. Leach's Report I.f Crown Law. The case to General Claveiing, was she not disbelieved ? . When
ion the floor. That Right Hon. Gentl7- which he would refer, 'was that of James Martin j she mentioned Dr. O'Meara, wis she not discredited E
ire the close of the prove: ding, the Re- and Th'im.ts Robbins, who had been tried for high- Was not the case the same in almost every other in-
they wer; thee consieering, called wee robbery upon the simple evidence of an ac- stance, and yet when the papers were proditced, had
General Officers, members of that complice. The robbery had been committed on she not been fisand cnr:•ect and well founded in all
Aamincd them touching the di,cipEne a right so dark, as to preclude the possibility of her statements ? It was therefore not a defect of
eArrey. That state oafthe Army, as the party robbed being• able to identify the rob- me:aory that was the fault in her evidence. She did
evidence so obtained, the Right Hon. hers. One of .the three was admitted •an evi- : forget however, and did, not hesitate to state it. • She
id le ged as a defence !of the flake of dense, and the other tx o were convicted. upon his f7nereot • l'onyn's -case, and even after she had seen the
fling the state of the Artny to be such testimony. The case, however, was reserved by , examination of Senden, declared that she did not re-
oLel, and of his own knowledge, he did Mr. Justice Buller, and the deciSion of the twelve • member more than she did•before. If' she had been
:licr it was or was not so ; admitting Jadges was -unanimously gievn, " that an accom- engaged in a conspiracy, could she not have stated
.ser, whether the Army was or was plice alone was a competent witness, and if the Jury, that she recollected it ; she-not bona: said,
;q:ipitned, h-id nothing to do with the • weighing the probabilities of die case, should think having passed .t night on-hcr bed, that she then did
the punishment of the Duke of York hem worthy of-credit, and convict the accused piny, cell to mind the transaction ? She -had said the same
e r in issue, the st rte of the Army that such conviction was legal : that the distinction !of the -note, and yet! when it was sheen: to her,. sfie
Mi n eeteneation ; bat it had nothing between competence and credit had lone been settled i instantly admitted it was the Duke's writing, and
NVltif the present question. This point hear, here)—thee if any question respecting ; that Sunder must have stolen it froth her. Had
a-ci•'re erorose to mge further. Various the competence of a witness arose, the Judge was to they not seen the • witness Sandell at their bar ; did
I been started by t!,e Right Honourable determine it ; but that on a-question respecting ere- they not hear his. evidence, and were they not
Chancellor of the Exchequer) in his • d:t, it was to be left to the Jury to decide whether the aware of hi., motives for concealing this note ? He
were purely of a teehnicel nature, witness was werthy of credit"—( Hen, hear, hear ! ) believed him capable. of stealing tare note, and he
address moved by his Hon. Friend.— By the cheeritig of the Honourable Gentlemen, they was sure the House could not be of any other opinion.
ers, he hie stated what had been stated seemed to think they had gained snme-advantage; —He had here an lobseivetion to mike upon that
'r before, that as a change of corruption but he was ready to add what would shew that het note, which had been erroneously called a mysterious
fared, it was the duty of the House to had no wish to take advantage of them, because it, note, but which he most solemnly believed to be the
! direct decision; dpon it, and that they made against his own argument. It was held, that hand writing of the Duke of York. Of' this he was
'clt to flinch front that duty. Now with this case was not accurately renorted. It should i convinced front the following consideration : The
charge of cell uptien, and the idea of have been reported, " that the Judge, in summing up, water-mark upon the paper was dated I 80:; —the
1.,*( at their duty, they had but to viler - ought-to warn the Jury against belleyieg such witness, • writing was in an- obscure manner ;it was addressed
el, and recoels to ascertain bow these but if they should give him credit, and convict, that to a feigned name ; the termination of the note itself
nee woule then have to oppriSe record such conviction was legal." The reason why he " Got) bless you ;" and a blur which appeared to-
speech was opposed to speech ; and the' quoted this case was.not to shew that the testimony wards the bottom upon it. This last circumstance
chew the precise state of the case. of an accomplice was roc to be Weighed, but that amounted to a strong internal evidence of the authen-
ey had then undor consideration, was was not correct to say, that the testimony of an ac- ticity of her note. An Honourable Member, whom
f • thc proceedings of the Committee ap- complice was not to be considered, unless corroborated' he did not see in his place, hat-made the ingenious ree
faire into the conduct of his Royal by other testimony. Upon this question respect- mark upon this note, that if any person had intended
of York. In• that there was no ' ing the evidence of an accomplice, he could have to forge it, where the writing was so small in quan.
cieeee* of corteption agiiiree the Corn- wished that he had heard something from his Learn.. tityehe would-rather write it over again than retain
aat. llut it the amendment of the Right ed Friend (the Somerroe•Gexeeee). Some lime it with that blur. Then there was the testimony of
ieekman (the Chancellor of the Ex, ago, when that Learned -Gentleman was not a Mem- Colonnl.Gordon, Generals Brownrigg and Hope, and
eh: he agreed ta, thee it would appear bee of that House, he had occasion to c.al the atten- of the Learned Gentleman (Mr. Adam) all of whom
reale when hereafter they reeeht be re, tion cf the House to the case of an attempt to tamper admitted that the hand writing was like that of • his
cearge of corruption had been pre- with witnesses, who were to be examined before an, Royal Highnessuand none of them would say that it
Ditke of York in the Home, but • Election Committee, as a breach of its privileges. The was not his hand writing. Besides, all the Clerks of
i,e gone out of the inquiry without • House might recollect what a keure one • otthe wit-, the Bank, with theexeeption of we, whose peculiar
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.1 r,1,, r proceeding, the charge net , ness Made when brought to the Bar, and* Learn- business it was to ascertain the identity of signatures,:
1.1 substantiated. Another objection •ed Friend could Speak' to' the conviction tetteh took. had stated it-to be thehand•writing of the /Juke.-
Right Honourable Gentieman '(the place upon the testineerir of an accomplice...if they The Houste.in_ admitting the latter persons wise en-
I the Exchequer), to the Address of his' were to exclude the testimony. of .aceorredkes, they mined/ had in his opinion, disk r •ced u.s If He was
Friend, was, that it did not go the whole; would iatchedeall testimony.' •In the cal* of a eon- sorry Weal testimony had beetereteived. •InCburtsof
thl Right Honourable Gentleman spitucyetheti Mt often no otbstitstirdinittbbiliiik Law it was adm;seible to prove the sadritilowbat

and in consequence of _Lie answers sv. "free c
extorted from her in the course of her examination, ..
nine of them had been with iravin. Her creditor
soon found out her misfortunes, and no time was h E: ..
in laying an execution on her goads ; her funtitine •
hid been all seized, the carpets torn off the floors, ant! -
she herself obliged to seek in asylum in a friend',.
LI house. And yet, although s.:ch distress ant ruin had
I been occasioned 'n her 11,!le eat b:ishment, it appear,
ed that all the deb's which s'is 'owed in the- world
amounted only to about 12 !,.- He did not meal! •
to impute any intentiond Lush less in the cr.( ss•
examination,. either to his Right Honourable Frleul
i (the' Solicitor-General) nor the Right aiw. Gin:-
tlenian opposite (the Chanceilor ,:f -the Exclieeeer) ;
without having any personal acqua•ntance with tlitt
Right Hon. entlernan, 1w was perfectly convince,i;
Ithat he would be one of the last men in the House to
I be guilty of such a harshnee, intentionally (I: far, lir,i,..
He did not mean to say, that such a course of ex i •
rninat46n might not have been necessary, and he wit,
sure that the Right Hcn. Gentlemen would not h.. e...
resorted to it, if he had not thought it necessary ; 1,
he could not give the some measure of prai•-,'
l' e 4 lets. •If there was :a. that House a Member w], .
f.had gone about in all directions mfia,,l out eva , 1 . :
to impeach Miss Taylor—Ll having cycle preio
i opportunity of examining in erivefs_s the xviencssts :.•-.
i meant to bring forward, he yet chose t ) bring fore.:-
at tandOm those' charges against h.'r which mat ~
crosi-examina.ion necessary, which was so useless tot:, -
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; main point at issue, but so painful to the feeligs of ; :la?
witnest,he would say,that to the want of care iitid 5:..;.f
I of candour of that Hon. Member, this cru -ity eit.-•
to be imputed. If Miss Taylor is not now to be ci•li-
sidered a credible witness, she must be considered lit
the saute light on every other occasion, as the same
freason must always subsist, nathely, that her pareets
were poor, and that Mrs. Clarke was her sister-in-I,w.
As to the contradictions of witnesses at the ha', IL.
really wasnot surprised if Mrs. Clarke had fallen-
to some contradictions; but he was Teeny sureri....l-
that she had not talleit•into more. When a w'mn,tti
i was placed at the bar, surrounded by: Gen:lyre-1i
whom she had never seen before, examined in an irro.
gular manner, and for such a length of time that s!/.:
: was ready to drop from fatigue, it was really met.derful that she had fallen into so few contradiction:.
•I He must claim the indulgence of the • House in eft-
pressing an opinion very different from what had b.:en
i geneally given with respect to the evidence of Coloeel
Gordon. Most Gentlemen who had spoken, appe:ir.
ed to admire his wonderful memory and accuracy of
statement. He considered his statement in a very
different light. In the first place, ht., thought taut
Colonel Gordon, when at the bar, exhibited a :f1 ,-
panty, a superiority of manner, and a &et:mot-jai way
of giving opinions to the House, which v.-as 'by au
means proper for a witness at their bar. He could
• Irate hardly assumed a more dictatorial manner if. 11.1
bad really been Comm:m.ler in Chief, as his evidence
went near to establish. It had been imputed to ;•:•ir.
Dewier as a .great fent, I.e. '" -
' was false, but that he to Icealed
• apPinned to him, tkat thitycle,

that he stated *hat •
4:1 the truth. Now it::
trge leerne2 bu apply