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rend Prelate that he entertained great respect for his
character, and was satisfied of the correctness of the
feelings he had displayed in defending an absent friend.
But he must remind their Lordships, that the Right
Rev. Prelate had, perhaps inadvertently, just referred to
the larded proprjesorsoi belaaslovhoswere represented
as persons that prevented the composition for tithes in
that ssountty, and throwing the burden of the tithes
fromrtheravelverepon the shoulders of the poor. This
was a setioes charge, bat he tru,sted an unfounded one;
but their Lordships would shortly be called to legislate
again on the subjeet:of tithes, when,- if it was under-
stopd than the provisions of the present Act were ob-
viously bad—qhat the permission it gave to vote at Ves-
tries, and thereby for landholders to oppose and reject
all compromises—if there were anything illegal in all
this;—if there were anything immoral in the Bill so
passed--6then indeed he would be foremost to say that
the Act of last Session was not only most improper, but
monstrous. While upon the whole favourable to the Act,
their rordships might recollect that he had pointed it
out as one of the strongest interferences with the tenure
of property, which called upon the proprietors of lands
held under as solemn a sanction as that by which the
Clergy held their lands, legislative sanction and legis-
lative possession, to compromise their rights, and this
also by a species of compulsion. When he objected to
such a course, however, he was answered by being then
reminded that persons so placed were still authorised to
make an efFectual.resistance to improper claims upon
the composition plan. He hoped, then, he was nut at
present to be told that individuals who exercised in
other points the legitiniati rights of property were not
entitled to resist by the law itself what .in reality they
had no right to concede? He therefore could not sit
acquiescent in the House and hear it assumed for a mo-
ment that individuals so circumstanced, and' so acting,
were to be considered as conducting themselves illegally,
and liable to the wide imputation, not indeed of irreli-
gion, but certainly of some immorality. He admitted
with this understanding, that the whole of Ireland had
a great interest, a meliorating and pacifying interest, in
fortiarding the purposes of the Act; but, on the other
bend, there must be no restraint or compulsion, as it
affected persons of property there, and would be most
iniquitous, subversirvof the Act of Union, opposed to
successive Acts cf Parliament, and therefore to be re-
sisted. With no compulsion on either side, he must
continue to considerit most unjust to endeavour in such
circumstances to get rid of .a minority by improper
means. He wished that this arrangement should be ef-
fecied without: even the appearance of injustice; and,
underahis persuasion, he should deprecate their arriving
at die great-ends in view by the ,semblanceof impro-
priety, or of partiality in any mind.
The Bishop of LIMERICK; in explanation, said,.
that- he did not impute the least criminality to those
landlotds in Ireland who opposed, froma sense of legal
tight, the operation of the Act its question ; and nothing
was further from his intention than to 'stigmatise the
landed Gentlenen'of Ireland. But, as he did not wish
to anticipate that discussion of the subject, which must
shortie come more lamely before, their Lordships, he:
wouldetot detain the /low.
• Lord KlNG:observed, that their Lordships had now
heard-both sides, and be believed.khat iii both cases the-
defence was most 'replete. They heard from thei
Riilis Reverend Presate, in the picture drawn, of Dr.
Woidward, the g, beam ideal" of an Irish Paeson, who,
however, was not entirely to the :taste of a great portion
of-Ireland. Now. the inlet:face was this: If such and
such-actions were Attributed CO such. an excellent cite-
ractes, if the very best were so imperfect, whits might,
notate done by others of a differeet.stamp? He•shotala
certainly hie tosee the. new llydra Proctor, the terrific
Gorgon, who had been employed in the assessinent • of
certain tithes in the sister kingdom, he who was ho-
noured with the distinction of ," the true); Delaney;
at their Lordships Bar.
•The Earl of HARROW BY rose .:in deprecatipn- of ,
the course taken by some Noble Lords. Ifohoateeers
their Lordships were resolved tchave the Tithe Peoctors;
at their bar, he hoped that they would be the ttewerds=,
of landlords. If pne Noble Lord had ,defended, the,
rights of thelandlords, thatriefence went •also.to exculr'
pate Dr. Woiadward from the-..echerge attempted to be,
thrust home to that. Clergyman,. The latter had an, un-,
doubted right to act -upon. the. provisiotas- made in
.his
favour by the. Legislature ; the;.-quenLiagl lay betty cep
the Clergy and theLAntilords, who.nught, to be left.to:
settle it ahe,best way they could.. Etery.thing wae.suln:
serviette to iheigeneral peace of the soont,re ; and.hes
hoped than under these feeliag,s, both tho.pattickwotakti
sacrifice something to that object. Wish resiseet:paKaa.,
Woodward, too ;mach had been said ; he regretted the
manner of bringing that Clergyman, so forword.. . He
also thought that, in stigmatithw ow. Proctor, as the
duel Delaney, they were holding hint out.to the world
in.an opprobrious way, likely to enshitier his closing
We. He must exculpate his Noble Friend (Kingston),
from intending to occasion harm ,to any man, but the
practice „just pursued led to inconveniences most cruel.
The Earl of CLARE considered the measure of com-
position.as one intended to benefit all par ties.
The Earl of KINGSTON, in •explanation, declared
that his liable Friend (Earl Hannwhy) had over-rated,
the mischief he attributed to him. Ile had christened
no man whatever as the " cruel Delaney." That per-
son went • notoriously by the name, and nothing said
about such .an individual in that House cdbld injure
him at all. With respect to the Clergy, he regarded
. them as public men, and therefore he shouldnow and
hereafter take the liberty to notice them by their
homes., There was one Clergyman in par titular who
reftsied to build a Chur ch, because it would occasion an
expense of 751. a year to himself.
The Earl of , LVIERICK was willing to admit that
theta mere unreasonable landlords to be encountered, as
well as.UPreasonable Clergymen. What he wished was
nosinjury.to either the , property. or tilt Church of Ire-
land; but If landlords mere to be obliged to acquiesce in
every-case, there would be nothing so iniquitous in law.
Explanations here took place between the Earls of
Iliutatmax and LIMERICK.
Find GROSVENOR thought it perfectly, clear that
hisMaiesty'sGovernment had trifled all along, witla the
people ot. 'Leland in respect tothe measures to be adppted
for: their relief. So Inoperative had, the.pre.:eet Act,
proved, that the only way chosenao make it satisfactory,
was to render it by convalsimk• quktq. upsatisfart.eah
Wiskaespeceao.the Asateamept of Tithes, he held it int:
innate fasiTitlaahastcrs to Act in4e1:40401.i, as th4j
were too nanah;c9imeote.4l with, and. tow dependenhow
tkiaaisberi, Courtuin,whicts all tithe cants, mull ul4i.
mately.be decided. The Picoideni. of. the. Qeutt was,
grally;a_Cietgyeat sw.w liftnigk:wAs vsfri.O.ett .by the
op, and who was so appointed on purchasing the
Degree of Doctor in Civil Law. Next in the order of

!the Court came the ,Proctors, then:followed an Appari,
tcor, iv)oo wa; the ortripae appealing, and'after all,,the
proceachnge. of the Court were never made known.—
He would put it to their I,opiships, .if it
,was possible
that allrbiag like justice could exist in such i Court as
this? With respeceto tithes, therlere at liberty in Ire--
land to take them in kind; but, unfortunately for that
country, the Established Clergy had seldom been wil-
ling to accept them so. But, again, these clerical dues
ware not paid according to acres, bqt according to the
market price. When, under such circumstances, such
kcauses were tried, with partial Judges too, what.justice
ietas to be expected for the poor ? He would not, how-
ever, now trespass on their Lcrdships' attention..
Viscount CLIFDEN said that he would not detain
their Lordships-, as the Noble Earl (Grosvenor) had
taken his speech out of his mouth. 4 very few words
be must, however, be permitted to say; and now,
with respect. to the Tithe Proctors, what did they
do? Why, they walked through a field, never told its
value, and the person was served with a process in the
Bishop's Court, where the tithe-owner was both Judge
and Jury. Now, in his judgment, the poor peasant
ought to have an appeal to the Quarter Sessions.—
But afterwards came notices of composition, to the
'amount of three upon one day. Never was such gross
injustice. There was afterwards, it was true, an ap-
:peal to the Court at Dublin, which, however, cost 100/.
How could the peasant pay that sum? As to the
religion of Ireland, not above half a million of persons
belonged to the Established Church ; and he put it to
the Right Reverend Bishop whether anything like this
could be produced in the anomalies of States? Scotland
had formerly fought for het religion up to her knee. 'in
blood, and he feared that the same would happen to Ire-
land. From the affluent Primate to the poorest Curate
in Ireland, all suckled from and fattened on the land.
Ireland had two Churches pressing on her shoulders,
and while he had breath he never would cease to -ringl
it in their Lordships' ears. Was this burthen to be ever-
lastingly borne? He hoped for better things; he hoped
that Ireland would become the right arm of support to
England—the West Britain of the United Kingdom—
the stay and glory of their Lordships.
The 'LORD CHANCELLOR.My Lords, permit
me to interrupt the current of your discussions for a.,
moment. We have heard something of the Tithe Act,
much about Ireland, and some things foreign to both ;
but we have heard very little abOut the true question
before the House. It is, as I apprehend, that the Peti-
tion of the Noble Earl (Kingston) should be laid upon
the table. Ile has, my Lords, °my...perfect concurrence
.in this motion; and therefore I beg that it may forth-
with lie upon the table.
Lor4.cALTHORPE rose in vindication of the cha-.
rActer, of Dr. Woodward, concurriog in the' encomisurn
passed .on that Clergyman by, the ,Rev. Prelatte
on the Episcopal Bench. He expressed a confident hoe,
that the diffusion of religious knowledge in Ireland by;
the progress of tile Est'ablished Church) would tend, to the
melioration of that country, and prove a blessing to it.

IRISH CR A ftITIES.
The Earl of KINGSTbN preSented,a Petition from
a person named Bayley, a decayed Krotegant tenant on,
the Noble-Earl's estate at Michelstown, in the county of
Cork, praying that their Lordihips would institute an,
inquirs into the abuses in a charity founded by James
Eatl of Kingston, for the support of the decaled Pro-
testant tenatitry of the Mich.elstown estate.. The Yeti-
tion.ihen Went on to state the abuses, among which was,.
that the `trustees. admitted. Roman,atholics into the,
alms-houses, although, by the will of the founder, Pro-.
to stuntspnir
.were entitled to any bepetit from the charity.
The tORP CHANCELLOR ihouglir that as the,
Petition called_ upitn the House to 00 at which .pro-
perly appertained to the Kink's Courts of Justice,
_the:
Petition.could,oot:be
The Earl of • KINGSTON was unacquainted with the,
ihrnris of the House, but if the Petition were. read and
received,. it wadhis intention to move. theiri.ordships
I that it be ieferreilso a Committee.
The LORP.CHANCELL'O.R-,-That's imopssible.
The Marquis of LANSPOWN thought the Noble,
4:l's opposition, rather ptemature, because the Petition
must be read beforelheir:LOrdships could say whether
or not it was i proper one to be teceived.
The, LORD -CHANOELII.OR said he opposed the
bringing uo.of the Petition, because he gave credit to
the Noble Earl for having correctly stated the substance
of the Petition,•
►"file Earl_ of, KIN(JSTON. could not.say that be had,
coxrp,c.gistated_the corneas of the Petition.
Tbe),l3l;bal of :141‘18.11.1,CK wished tb know whether
it •tv as the intention of Earl tOfariug dais q ties .;
tioo_ under the_ cousitleration of the Court of King's
.Bench in Irelasici? ,
Tbe Matquis.of LA kISDOWN. .
said the Noble Earl
was not bouod •to answer, such questions after* the'
Petition should be read. in the usual way.
The LORD CHANCELLOR denied that it • was a
mutter.oficoukse that the Petition should be read. The
question that the Petition be nostf_reasl might be nega-,
tined by their Lordships.. However, he should not op-:H
pose the reading of the Petition.
The Petition having been read by the Clerk—
The'Earl of KINGSTON., in answer to the question
put by the Right Rev. Pi elate (the 1361)0p iof Limeriek);,
stated that it was his intention to bring this.questionl
.under the .consideration of the Court of King's Bench.in
Ireland. With respect to the abuse complained-of by
admitting Roman Catholics into the..itlini-himses, be.
Must say that such conduct was an 'abuse, and kr. his,
part. he was, sort y that Citholics were not as eligible as
Pr otestants.—The
.question that the Petition be laid on
the table was Alen put, and negatived without a divksion.
Earl GROSVENOR said it was his intention to have ,move 4
for a Return of the reduced Salaries of the Clerk of the Polls 19
Ireland, but as the Noble Lord at the head of the Treasury.wasabt
sent, he should posrpoue the Motion to Monday next.
The.Earlot ICS LEY gave a similar reason for not bringing
forward his Petitions relative to the Irish Tithes Commutation BilL
Ise should present them on Monday next.—Their Lordships ad,
journed at Seven o'Clock. •

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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Papers were presented from the Treasury, pursuant to the puler
of this .House. ' • • _ ..
M;., GI PPS said, he should on Monday next bring forward his
motion relativ.e to the employment of :Agrinultural. Labourers,*
Winter, his notice fur yesterday having expired in..eonsequence of
there being po House.
a,. tf.51314K-ETThrought up the laid) Catholic Social Bill for
the repeal-Of !the Statute of . Willlani I 1i...0n that subject; witieh
was read: a first, and ordered to.be read isecond time.
Mr. OE )0/3rpresented a & Petition fin two • Parishes in.the
ne.iiiligitt * urCheltenhain, against the new •Chelte,nbara NVutei-
tvorlfillifl.—
.ad arid lad., the table.
Sir.. Al4s.trt.nan SbiliTH• brought 4 the. Reps of Abe Seutk
landifin bask toiniiiireei..l—jiict on 'tie table. •
-ITr7e:TollibliritrtV pre:lent-ed. two Petitions _front Sotithwarlf,.
agaiiiiitlii neye pre}settd Suspension.Beidge, praying ter,be.,bearti
hr.-Mu*" 1-against the. said Bilk—ltiid,' and referred. to. ilia, goo*
....
snitteeiinibe ima ali; . . .
Sir W. GUISE presented Petitions from Stroud and other piaci,

thanking the .House for its intention to repeal the Wool Duties..-
Laid en the table. •
On the motion foe the second reading of the Cheitenbaox Water-
works Bill, •
Sir T. LBTHBRIDGE said he felt it his duty to oppose the
Bill, because he believed it only originated in a speculation of some
individuals who were strangers to that country, atwi who knew not
how otherwise to employ their idle capita., but in a project which
. must be highly prejudicial to the existing water-works at Chelten-
ham. He moved that the. Bill- should be read a second time that
day,six months.
Str J. YORKE seconded the motion, though he had hitherto
imagined most parties at Cheltenham were only anxious for saline
aperient draughts!—( A laugh).
Air. Alderman C. SMITH supported the amendment.
Mr. GORDON supported the Bill.
Lord EDWARD SOMERSET wished the Bill to be allowed
to go into a Committee.
Sir W AI. GUISE *supiorted, the further progress of the
until at least in Committee.

Sir E. IC NATC [MULL supported the Bill.
After a few words from Mr. PIILHAZI, Mr. J. PITT, and. Mr.
Banonxxv, who supported the Bill only on condition of compensa-
tion to injured parties— -
Sir J A MES GRAHAM said there was a general complaint, on
the part of the inhabitants of Cheltenham, against the unwhole-
some quality of their water, which was now mostly spring water.
A division then took place, when there appeared—For the second
reading, 95; Against it, 25 ; Majority, 70.—The Bill was read a
second time, and ordered to be committed.
Sir Romarr SHAW presented a Petition Cram the Farming
Tontine Society of Ireland, praying the attention of the House to
the state of Agriculture in Ireland, which was laid on the table, and
ordered to be ptinted.
Several Petitions were presented from different places against the
Exeise Licenses, which were laid on the table.
A Petition was presented from Scarborough, against the Asses-
sed Taxes.

A Petition was presented from Stockport against the Combina-
tion Laws.—Brth were read and laid on the table.
The ArrOICSI EY-GENERAL presented Petitions from
Ashburnhant agaiest Negro Slavery, and alio against the elporta-
tion of Long Wool.
Various Petitions were presented front Manchester and other
places against Negro Slavery, which were laid on the table.
' Mr. STANLEY presented a Petition from Manchester against
the Exportation of Machinery to foreign countries; which was re-
ferred to the Artisans Committee.
Sir G. WA it REN DElt presented a Petition from Derry,
agaiten the exportation of Long Wool.—Laid on the table.
, A Petition was also pnssented from the pariah of Rathcormick, in
the county of Cork, against the 'Date Commutation Bill.
Sir F. KNATCHBULL presented a Petition from the inhabi-
tants of Greenwich against the Poor-rates, and another in favour of
the "Repeal of the Window Duties.—Both laid on the table.
• A Message front the Lords annooncedtheir Lordships' assent to
several Bills.—( For which see the Lords' Report).
Sir T. BARING presented a Petition from the inhabitants of
Guildford against the continuance of Slavery.—Laid on the table.
Mr. LAM BTON presented a Petition from the Ship-owners of
Sunderland, relative to the existing duties pn Canada produce and
materials for rigging vessels. The Petitioners begged the Louse to
reduCe the Duties on Cordage.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. S. WORTLEY presented the Petition of the Tanners and
Curriers of Halifax against the Hides and Skins Blll.—Read, and
laid on the table. Also, a similar Petition from the Town of Shef.
field ; and a Petition ftom the Cutlers of Amerdaaist, praying for
reduction of tht duty on Swedish Iron: Read, and laid up the table.
A Petition was.presented front :the Boot and Shoe-makers of
Hereford, against the, COmbination'Laivs, by Lord Eaarsios ;•
a similar Petition from 11td1.—Both were laid oil the table.
• Mr. CItIRTE IS presented a Petition from tie owneri and occu-
piers of land in the nEighbaurhood of Lewes, in Seim; against re-
pealing the Duty on Wool. `The Hon. Gentleman said he was by
.no Meaes fricedly to those principles of flee trade en which the
Right Honourable Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer)
proposed. to act. He wished! on the contrary to have-laws, the ob-
ject of which would be to support British agriculture, commerce,
and manufactitres against foreign competition. •
Sr' J. Y DUCK E. said *he would recommend it to hie Right Hon.
Relative (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) to make a retrograde
;movement—do away with all he hail done in the present Session,
and in place of the duties on wool and silk; repeal the whole of the
Asiessed Taxes, to please the Country Gentlemen. He might then,
next year, if with the blessing of Pauviintece they should be in a
*ay to propose a fuither reduction of taxes, take the duties on silk
and wool into consideration, whenever the Country Gentlemen
should have made, up their minds as to the amount of those dories
they shotild wish to leave repealed.—Ordered to be printed.
A Petition wax presented from &rnard Cagle against the caper-
taticin or Long We:la—Ordered to be printed.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH presen44 a Petition from Iloffatn,in the
'county of Wilts,against Slivery in the West Indies. Tlie Hon. Meth.'
ber' said it was signed by all the Inhabitants of the parish, with the
singular exception of time Cler,gyrna:ri.—Ordered to be printed.
Lord 5i.7.4 N LEY presented a Petition from sevetaf Tanners
and Curriers of Lancashiciagainsi the }Bales and Skins Bill.—Or-1
'defed to be printed: . • •
M r. 11. DAVIES presented a,Petitims from the Wool Metchanta of
Bristol, praying that the duty Might lie allowed on the stock hind.!
Mr. BRIG HT itipported the. Petition. tie thoUght:t he importers
of wool were as well entitled to have the:duty allowed as thosecOn- '
cerned in tile silk trade. There was no just reason why the same in-
dulgence should not be extended to both.—Ordered to be ptitited.
Mr. HUME presented Petitions from the neighbourhood of
Dundee, Aberdeen, Ring's Lynn In Norfolk, Bury in Lancaster,
Windsor and Eton, and the City of Westminster, praying the repeal
of the Combination Laws.—Referred to the Artisans' Committee.
Mr. LINDSAY presented a Petition front Perth, praying that
an Aot passed last Session, respecting Yarn Inspectuts, might be
repealed!. • . -
Mr. MABERLY-said this was a Petition of rather a curious na-
ture. The object of it was to introduce again the restraints that
bad been removed. He was the more disposed to remark upon it,
because he thought there was something in the-back-ground. He
could see no motive for the Petition but a wish to oblige a certain
class of iiersonsonamely, Stamp-maners. He hoped the Chancellor
of the Exchequer would take measures for putting an end to so un-
rieci•ssary an .office.--Ordered tube printed. •
.Mr. Secretary CANNING said it was important that the Slave
Trade Piracy, Bill, which was a dripped order of yesterday should,
pass.tlirough the remaining stages with al little delay as possible
that a knowledge of the measure'having been passed might reach
America before the breaking up Of Congress.
Lord A LTH ORP appointed Tuesday for bringing on his motion
So abolish Settlement for Hiring and Service, which became a
dropped order.
Mr. Alderman HEYGATE presented a Petition from the Li-
ceased Victuallers of the Borough of Sudbury, praying the repeal
of the Excise License Duty.—Ordered to be printed.
Colonel WOOD presented a Petition from James Williamiand
certain Woohtaplers at Radnor, praying for a draWback of the
duty on their stock in hand.—Ordered to lie on the table.
'Mr. BUTTER WOR.TH presented a Petition from the inhabit-
entry(
,Itanmersinith, against the continuance of Slavery in the West
ledies.—Orderid to lie on the table.
Nye MONCIE presented a Petition from certain Owners and
Occupiers of land in the County of Berk!, against the Game Laws'
Amendment Bill, in which the Petitioners called on the House to
mark treir contempt for the provisions of that Bill, and expressed a
persuasion that such a one would never have been even presented to a
House' of Commons which was freely chosen by the people at Lim.
—The Petition was ordered to be printed.
Sir IV. RIDLEY presented a Petition from certain Tanners
of Newcastle, against the Hides and Skins Duty.—Laid on the table.
Sir H. H A R DI NGE obtained leave to bring in a Bill to remove
doubts as to certain property formerly vested in Barrack property,
and now transferred to the Otinuice. •
Mr. CHOKER obtained leave to bring in a Bill to enable the
Commissioners for Victualling the Navy, to purchase certain *-
Anises for the Navy Victualling Office, near Plymouth. • :-
THE SOUTH AMERICAN STATES.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH, in rising to dispose of a
notice of a Motion. which he.had caused to be placed
on the order-book respecting the States of South Arne-.
rica, hoped that the House wottla allow him to prehiise
a very few sentences... Since he had given notice of his
;Motion, he had heard two important declarations made
by Minisrers of the Crown. It would be unparliamen-
tary to mention the times Alien those declarations were
made, the places in which they were made, or the parties
from whom they proceeded; and he must therefore expect
to'be excused for not being more explicieon those points.
Accoraip, however, to the best of his recollection and
unclerstandipg, the second of
.those declarations did ex•
p_ressly-atave-,-,lie.did not affect to give the precise word:
• —iihat.arg coroiderafite armament from the • ports of
Spainp during the occupation of that couiai y • by "the

French army, against the South American States, wall
be regarded as not being a Spanish expedition, and
consequently as coming within the principle laid down
in the closing dispatch of the Right Honourable Sect e-
Lary for Foreign Affairs to Sir Charles Stow t • t
He had no difficulty in stating, that after having well
considered that declaration, it had made a great im.
pression on his mind sit had supplied what he had rinesi-
dered an omission, and had explained whet hail art.
peered to him to be ambiguous inlhe papers which, had
been laid before the • Hciuse. That delaration hid so
much narrowed the ground on which any immediate
and practical measure could rest, as to render it, in his
opinion, very %inadvisable, at the present moment, td
persevere in a motion which might be understood in En.
rope, and in America, to imply that the intentions (I
the British Government were mistrusted—(Hear,
Another circumstance had also influenced him with
regard to the determination to which he had come. He
had heard, from a quarter which he considered as trust:.
worthy, but which, being of a private nature, did not
carry with it the weight of the official character which
was attached to the declarations to which he had just
alluded, that a great Power of the Continent lid de-
clined to be a party to the threatened Congre-s on the
subject, of the South American States. He could not
say that he'had been influenced by the ambiguon, lan-
guage which the Ministers of Prance had thought fit to
put into the mouth of their King, in his late Speech,
nor, indeed, if the language of that document had been
much more explicit, would he have placed the least re-
liance upon it, when he recollected the striking cent: lost
which existed between the public professions and tl:e
secret policy of the French Government in 1822• and
1823. On account of the circumstances he had men-
tioned, all of'which had occurred since he had given his
notice of motion, he now begged leave to withdraw it.
He might have postponed it to a suture day ; but he
considered it the fairer and more manly course to with-
draw it altogether; still, 'however, holding Ministers re-
sponsible for every moment of unneces,a, y delay in ac-
knowledging the independence of the South Anterican
States, and reserving to himself the right of b itiging the
question forward, if he should see cause het eattee (Hear):
Mr. Secretary CANNING would beg pet missian to
say a few• words upon the present occasion, though siith
a proceeding might not be strictly regular. His Hun.
and Learned Friend was, of course, at liberty to make,
or to postpone, or to withdraw his motion, as should ap-
pear to him most convenient. If the• Hon. and Learned
Gentleman had pressed his motion, he would•have es-
corted from him (Mr. Canning) some remarks, and in
withdrawing it the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had
afforded him some temptation for entering into discus-
sion ; bu'r he thought that he should best consult his duty
in abstaining from making any remarks on what his
Hon. and• Learned Friend had stated (Hear).—lle only
wished the Houie to bear this in mind—that he neither
affirmed nor denied the declarations which his Honour-
able Friend had Stated to have been made.
The notice of motion was•then withdrawn.

BOUNTIES.
Mr. MABERLY, on 'Presenting a Petition respecti:lg
the Duties which affected the Shipping 'tartest, thought,
a the dutiestaken off had undergone considerable dis-
cussion, it might be-proper that those bounties proposed
to be repealed, should be debated, and wished to kncivr
when the Chancellor of the Exchequer thought the.e
could be conveniently taken?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEWER thought
the most convenient time would be When the-Bid to
which the question of the Hon. Gentletuatirelated shottld
be in a Cohntihtee. In that Committee the Hon. Gen-
tleman could not bring forward any specific motion
with respect to the duties on hemp and flax, to which
he understood him particularly tolefer, but they- could
then be discussed.
Mr. HUME, on the presentation of a Petition fioth •
certain Ship-owners and others, relative to the duties
*hich press on the shipping interest, reminded the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer of a fledge given last year to
take. this subject into consideration, atsel hoped that the
pledge would shortly be redeemed,. and that measures
would be taken td relieve the shipping .interest of this
country, so as to enable the British ship-builder to com-
pete with the foreign ship-builder.
The CHANCELLOR of 'the EXCHEQUER stated
the subject to have betn under consideration, and ad-
mitted it to be one which deserved the attention of the
House. This was all which he-could now say.
Mr. BRIG/IT trusted the Right Honburable Gentle-
man would give them hopes that something would tie _
done in the course of the present Session. • •
After a few words from Mr.iHosur and Mr. GRANT,
the Petition was read and ordered to lie on the table •
LEATHER DUTIES. •

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Sir H. PARNELL presented a Petition from certain
Tanners, complaining of the Leather Duty, and the
mode of collecting it in Ireland.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated,
the subject to be under the consideration of Commis-
sioners, whose report was shortly expected.
After a few words from Mr. T. Ewa and Mr. CA 1..•
CRAFT, who announced it to be his intention to bring
the subject befpre the House after the Easter recess,ilic
Petition was ordered to be printed.

TURNPIKE `ROADS. •
Mr. CRIPPS t.ok a view of the Acts relating to.the
Turnpike Roads, pointed out certain defects which be
wished to correct, and moved for " leave to bring in.a
Bill to consolidate and amend the several Acts relating
to Turnpike Roads passed in the 3d and 4th years of
George the Piurth."
Mr. T. LEWIS explained the course he had formerly
been induced to take in order to amend these laws. He
was happy to resign the task to. the Hen. Gentleman.
but suggested that another Session or two ought to
elapse before they were again altered, in. order that the
effect of the present laws might be better known.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY thought it would be advisab:e
to withdraw the motion for the present.
- Mr. Secretary PEEL was of the same opinion, And
was confident the Honourable Gentleman would readily
acquiesce in a suggestion which he would feel was thrown
out for the public good.
Mr. CRIPPS hoped, if nothing occurred in the course
of the summer to alter his opinion, that in the next SO■
sion his motion would not be opposed, and, for the pre.
sent, cheerfully consented to withdraw the motion.