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be no end to deFates in that Houfe.--tHear f bear:9l
—He thought the fubjeCt ought to go before a Com-
mittee of Inquiry, without farther ceremony.
' Mr. HUSKISSON 'read extraCts of letters from
various commanding officers, expreffing their fatil
(albino with_ the 'wanner in which Mr. Courtnay had
executed his contra& The late Minitters had writ-
ten a circular letter, inviting complaints againit the!
clothing, and the uniform anfwer was in its favour,
inflead of complaining of it. But they did not wait
1 until there anfwers were received ; the fait being,
I that the new contra& was haftily clofed before they
had received a fingle anfwer to the pompous inquiry
they had affeited to let on foot, previtius to the dif-
miffal of the former contra&nr.
The Hon. COCHRANE JOHNSTONE—" Mr.
Speaker, this is one of the mate, jobs I ever beard of
in my life lam glad the Houle has taken up the
filbje& of the military clothing, as it will lead to the
difcovery of a great many abufes in the army depart-
ment, and tend, as I hope, to better the condition of
our brave defenders."
The Accounts moved fur were brought up and or.
dered to lie on the Table.

•RMY PATIMATFC.
The SECRETARY at WAR brought up the Eftitnates order•
ed on a former night.
Lord HOWICK ailed if they contained catenates of the addi
tional expenee of Volunteer Corps?
The SECRETARY at WAR. faid. it was Calculated, that tbi
rum already Pro Pored would cover all the additional expence on'
this head, for the part of the year now to come; no eftimate,
therefore, became nectar'''. •
Lord HOWICK and Mr. WINDHAM thought that it was
proper that the additional expenees of Infpeding Field Officers.
Ste. Ibould be known, nor was it fufficient becaufe a turn had been ,
voted for a fervice in one view of a cafe, that it amid without '
any new eftimate be converted to another view of the fame ler-
vie&
1 ' Mr. PERCEVAL bad no objection to every feparate menet
being known. He bad winked that fatisfadtion often from the
late Government, but they had not been anxious to gratify him.
He had no objedion that the other liftimates mould b voted to-
morrow, and the Volunteer Service be poftponed.
The SPEAKER raid, it was (-nineteen by the tarps of the Houfe,
that a runt total Ihould have been granted.
After tome further eonverfation, Mr. Percent's idea of pat.
p ping the Eftimates of the Volunteer Service was acceded to.
Mr. Athley prefented the Ordnance Ellimates, and Mr. R.
Ward the Navy Eftimates.
Lord HENRY PETTY poftponed his Nintioe for a bill, rela-
tive to the metres of the Sinking Fund, from to-morrow, till
Wednefday next.
2C'rrs SHERIFFS AND LORD CULI,2I4°S PENSION.
Mr. ADAM- ezpreffed hi. regret that he %v.'s not
in the Houfe when the diituffion on this fubjeet had
taken place the other day, and he lamented it the
more, becaufe from the other bufinefs that had pre-
ceded this, his explanation mull be made to a thin
Houfe. He had given notice of a motion for the pro.
dultion of the documents appointing the new She-
riffs, and the warrant for a petition to Lord Cullen.
He would now proceed to [late the grounds of that
tranfaaion, that all mifreprefentation and mifunder
(landing on that fuhje.t might be done away, and
if Gentlemen were not fatisfied, that the point might
undergo a full confideration, after• the.documents
fhould be on the table. He would begin with the
affair of the Sheriffs. Every one who was acquain
ted with Scotland mull know, that the Sheriffs De
pule had an important duty to perform. They tried
a variety of eaufes, and fometimes pi ifoners, with tbe
affiftanee of a jury. This local jurifdidion was of
the higheft advantage to the country, and there way
no way in which the public money cot*, be better
employed, though the falaries were very fmall, than
in facilitating the means of jullice. There duties
were performed in the molt honourable and 7ccurare i
• manner. The Sheriffs were Barrifiers of Tome (len-
ding, and received that edueaticn which fitted them
for becoming Judges in the Supreme Courts. Now
the counties of-Sutherland and .Caithnefs were joined
under one. Sheriff Depute. The Sheriff 'elided in
Caithnefs, which was further to the North than the
other county. The roads from the one to the other
were, during a part of the year; almoft impaffable,
and the confequence was, that Sutherland was, in a
great meafure, deprived of the benefit of a Sheriff.
The grievance was felt and complained of. R.,pre-
fentatione on the fubjed bad been made to the Islini
1
flers---they had applied to his Welly, and it was de
termined that afeparate Sheriff thould be appointed
for Sutherland. The falary was only 3501. a year,
and part of- that, he believed, went to fill up the fa-
lary of the Sheriff of Caithnef... The county of Su-
therland contained twenty-fix thonfand inhabitant's,
and the population was increafing, If was tar re-
moved from the general feat of jullice, and therefore
it was of the higheft importance that jultice lb auld
be done them at their own doors. This was the real
motive for the appointment of a feparate Sheriff.and
he would ark, when thefe things were confidered,
whether the thing was not called for by tae ftrongeft
views of expediency ? As to Clackmannan, that cer-
.tainly was nearer the feat of jutlice, and therefore
the fame rcafons did not precifely &ft in that in-
fiance. The Hon. Gentleman proceeded to Rate,
that the Sheriff Depute oT Stirling had Clackmannan
in his jurifdidion, and the Sheriff Depute of Frte had
Kinrofs. He cJuld Rate fade that would dearly i
thew the neceffity orappointingjanother Sheriff in this 4
inftance. In the county of Clackmannan, which .l
was larger than that of Kinrofs, there was no jail, fo i
that it was neceffary to remove • prifoners from the !
place where they were tried to Stirlinglhire, through
another county, Co as to confiitute, according to the
intlitutions, what is called airefcape. As to Kinrofs 1
it was well known that the Sheriff Depute of Fife I
never performed any duty there, but left it to a fub. I
flitute. But the fubflitute was not under the fame
regulations as the depute, (they were called Sheriffs
Depute in contraditiindion to the hereditary She.
riffs). The fubflitute did not neceffirily receive a
legal education, and in fad might belong to another
profeflion.. The futatute for Kinrofs was a highly
refpedlable Gentleman, but he knew that he laboured
under the difadvantages which he had Rated. In or-
der, therefore, to give the counties of Clackmannan
.and Kinrofs a fair ((hare of public juftice, they were
united under one Sheriff. The county of Fife was
one of the largett andmoft populous counties of Scot-
land. The county of Stirling was alto extenfire, with
a growing population and extenfive manufactories,
and each afforded complete occupation for their re-
lisedive Sheriffs. As to any advantage so himfelf in
this bufincfs, he had prop.ofed none. He was not in
'Parliament at the time, but was purpofely out of it,
in order to do his duty in hi; profeffion to thole who
had claims upon hint. The whole was done on pub-
lic principle, and enuldnot be done without the con-
tent of the Sheriffs. The Sheriffs of Fife and Stirling,

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he mentioned it to their honour, had, before they
agreed to refign, applied to one of the Judges, and
were told that the thing was highly expedient-and
proper. It was Paid that the regulation only did net
go far enough, as there were points of the counties
bf Perth, Fife, and Clackmannan, that ran into each
other, and that a farther feparation ought to have
taken place. This fiat he had only from informs,•
tion, but he had the heft reafons to believe that it
was correctly (toted. At all events, the cafe Road
on its own grounds of erpedien'ey and jußice. Al
to the falaries they had been refigned and regranted,
(than! hear from the Minilletial Benches). yes,
regranted. He knew-that with Meffrs. Montgomery,
Fergnfon and Bofwell, the three former Sheriffs of
Fife, Kinrofs was a mere finecure. They never did
any duty there. They had the falary for the dirty in
.Fife, and to that duty it was proper the fame falary
Mould be Rill attached. The falary for Stilling was
alto regranted : it was only goof. a year. Ho wood,
therefore, confidently aft whether it was not wife and
expedient to grant there fmall additional falaries foe
the furtherance of the intereas of joßice and found
policy ?
I lie now came to the warrant for the penfion to Lord
Cullen, and to this lie requeßed the particular atten.
tion of the Houle. He was lorry that he was not
in the
.Honfe when this fuhjctt came on before, as
he might' have then Rated what might have render.
ed the prefeot difeuffion unneeeffary. Every one who
oios acquainted with Lord Cullen mull know, that
he was a man of the molt profound learning, poi-
'cularly in his own profegion, an agreeable compa.
1 nion, and a molt puree Gentleman. It was of him '
that Lord Thurlow (poke, when he read the corn.
pofi:ion on the rights of the Semi& Peers, and Paid,
that it was the molt excellent and fintfhed piece oft
antiquarian law that he had ever fcen. The inten. ,
tion of granting a penfion to Lord Cullen did not
originate with the late Minifters, but with the Mici-
(try before. The Hon Gentleman proceeded to (late,
tha; in Mao Lord Cullen had fent him notice that
he had been with the Duke of Portland, and that he I
had matter of importance to communicate to him.
This was the granting of a penfion of vol. to Lord
Cullen, with the reverfion ro 4. a year to Mrs.
Cullen. In 1806, Lord Cullen thought he (Kr.
Adam) might be of great ufe to him to further his
objeCt, from his connexion with the late Mitoftert.'
The Hon. and Learned Gentleman here entered on
a Ratement of Lord Cullen's circumflinces. He
contended, that it would be cruel to deprive the
Crown of the power of, giving a petition, for life, to
a judge, who, by fome accidents, atifing from no
fault of his (hould be reduced into a fituation, in
which his falary could not enable him to fupprot his
dignity, and do jultice to his creditors. In this 11.
tuation' was Lord Cullen. He was the fun of Dr.
Cullen, who founded the celebrated Medical School
of Edinburgh. His father had been too much en.
gaged in fcientific purfuits, to be very careful abort
his circumflances. Lord Cullen, as the eldelt fon,
was in fume degree !addled with, and anxious to pay'
his 'father's debts ; and two-thirds of his falary as;
fudge were devoted to that put pole. (Our limits!
will not. permit us to go through the Ratement psis
tictilarly),'bno the.chief points were, that it never
was intended to grant a iudoe a swrifirm AnOsi
pleafure, Dor could it be done by law. It was ep
peeled to be for life, and intended to la: fo giten.74,
the reverfion fufficiently proved this, for a revel •
fitna of •a• penfion daring pleafure was an ablardity.
If the
warrantslated that it was during pleafure,
vras.a.traliiike, which would of courfe have been rte.-
Aged- whin It goal& be returned to the Treafury,
from the Barons of thA!Eichequer in Scotland. Ths
Gentlemen on the other fade might be fufficiently
mite,- that mittaket. Might be committed in tae
burry of official bufinefs. This ,Was fufficient to proye
theoettioi de both of the' Judge and the late hi*
Rers. He concluded by moving an addrefs to his
I.Majefy for copies of the warrants appointing the
'new Sheriffs, and ofthe. Warrant for the penfioa tv
Lord Callen,' •
The -LORD ADVOCATE for SCOTLAND '
fironorly contended, that the appointment Of thefe
Sheriff, was not called for by any reafons of need.
-ty or expediency. He did out with co call any ito•
potation on the refpettable:Gentlemeo who had been
appointed. They deferved to rife in their orotef;
Cron, but he thought that new flees ought not to
be created I r men of abilities, but that men of abi.
I liries timid be placed in office- al eadyexiiting. He
would have appealed to the H .n. and Learned Gen-
tleman himf:ll, whether •hei. offices were in any
point of view necefarv. if he had appeared is any '
other 'capacity than, {. .nr,.;ion of the late W.
nifters.' He fat.= hat the duties were in general
I done by fubtlitu, es. and that in all cafes mentionedb!
the Hon. and Learned Gentlemar, there exiite no
neceffity whatever for This divifion of labour. An.
;-arrangement on this point had been lately made, ow "
der the Adminiftrations of Mr. Addington and Mr.
Pitt. The Sheriffdoms had been divided- into five
I claffes. and Wailes granted according to the duals;
Mad it was rimarkable, that the cafes where the di-
stil-lon had now taken place were among thP lowa
Gaffes. If the inflir ution was wlf:, why did they not
come to Parliament for an Ad ? But they teemed
to have had fome invifible hand to execute their deeds
of darknefs. It had been Paid, that this regulation
liad been called for by the voice of the country. He
refided thetwat the time, and certainly had not heard
of it. lie difspproved of it at the time, ashe did nit
He acknowledged the merits of Lord Cullen. Bat
be thought-lance Lord Cullen was the friend of the
Noble Doke (Portland); the late Minifters, figs
they had delayed the bulinefs fo long, might haveleft
it with the Noble Duke. The words in the warrant
Were certainly during pleafure," whether this was
a initake or not. He ridiculed the ftrong defirefor
die divifion of labour manifested by the late Mini.
Reno in their appointment of new profelforfhips iathe
Univerfities of Edinburgh and Dublin. He would
'not, however, oppofe the motion.
Mr. CHARLES WYNNE contended for the al
lity of the profefforßiips in queltion, from the unto
tainty of the Hate of medicine in many of its mo'l
important branches. Prefefforfliips of medical Oa
prudence exifted in molt of the German Univerlitiei,
and he quoted the authority of ftme eminent phYft
cians in fupport of its utility.' Military forgery wa;
a molt important branch of medical education, and
Might prove of the higheft adianiage to our armies.
The profefforthip of natural history in the Glaigow
oniverfity was highly uleful. In fad' there was Pi