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London, England, 1812-05-08 00:00:00

Somo might prefer other Minister% and think that af.1
fairs vrowld be better conducted than they were by the
viesencidministration, by their rivals—( Hear, hear.)
lie was prepared to meet the Noble Lord or his
friends on the subject of the conduct of the present
Administration; and he was convinced that they
would not find, that if the Administration had been in
other hands, there would have been any instance of
pore vigour, wisdom, or success, than in the present ;
or even a comparison with them--(Hear.)
Mr. BRAND asked, whether the Right Honour-
able Gentleman intended to allow the Bill to be
Feinted CHANCELLOR nse of the Members
The of the EXCHEQUER
said, he certainly meant that. Leave was then given
so bring in the Bill.
VsHRR OF TIM BLACK ROD.
'The Hon. Mr. BENNETT moved for a copy of the appoint•
ment of the Usher of the Black Rod, and an account of his salary
and fees. He thought the officersef the House of Lords ought
et, be regulated as well as those of the Commons. The emolu-
ments of the Usher in one year, ending in 1812, amounted to
uhciare NE 3 500 ; and he also learned that be gained considerably
by the sale of inferior places, which, as well as the tax which his
rice keplised on the Member* of the Upper House, was a spe-
CLE3 of profit of a disgusting description.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not dou
the propriety of that House having the information sought fort
but would submit bow far it was proper to make an order on
the subject ? Sir F. Molyneux, though in bad health, was yet
living, and be could not undertake any thing respecting the filling
np a place in the House of Lords. The emoluments of the place
were regulated by the Lords : and he imagined that the Com-
mons milk not approve of a similar order by the Lords. Some
better mode might be found by communication from the Com-
mittee already appointed: and then, as the object desired was
information, a proper valuation might be obtained.
Mr. TIERNEY could not comprehend how any offence could
be taken by the Lords. If the Commons were entitled to ask
ix a copy of appointment, why not for amount of emoluments?
Puce was nothing in it for the Lords to take even cognisance
The object was to make all proper savings after the end of
voted interests. A Right Hon. pentleman (Mr. Rose) and his
ma, whOm he did not their see, held places that miglit well be
regulated.
Mr. WYNNE thought that more respect was shewn to the
Lerds, ia.an order of the House, tjaa In the applications of a
Committee.
The SPEAKER said, it came to the same point, only that the
Committee were more likely to get a complete enquiry.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. thought it bet-
ter to get information without raising any question abort pri-
vileges.
Mr. TIERNEY said, that the Usher was not a mere Officer
d the Lords : he Was appointed by the Crown, and had duties
Amu the Palate. He was an Meer of the Order of the Garter.
It was desirable to prevent the office from being given for another
life • and if it were so given, that it should be given with the
Understanding that Parliament were considering its emoluments.
The motion for the copy of the appointment only was put and
eatzled. Adjourned at Two o'clock.

SINECURE ABOLITION BILL.
UST OF THE MAJORITY
sor norm lit FAVOUR Or Tat SINECURE ABOLITION RILL.
Theme slaked thus • are English County Members.
M, IL. Ferguson, General Nonh; D.
Adams, C. Folkestone, Visc. "Osborne, Lord F.
IlAttley, Sir I. Gel!, P. • Ossulston, Lord
Babington, T. Giddy, D. Parnell, H.
king, A. Giles, D. Peine, H.
&
Greenhill, R. *Pelham, Hon. C. .
...11,,1. R.
*Gooch, T. S. Ponsonby, Rt.Hon.G,
niph, R. M. *Gower, Lord G. L. Ponsonby, Hon. G.
illachlopi,B, P. Greenough, G. B. Ponsonby, Hon. F.
Boum, W. S. Grenfell, P. Power, R.
Bowyer, Sr G. Hamilton, Lord A. Prittie, lion. F.
*brand, Hon. T. Hamilton, Sir H. •Pym, F.
Brougham, H. Herbert, Hon. W. Romilly, Sir S.
lirowne,A. Flibbert, G. Saville, A:
osn, Hon. H. Howarth, H. • Scudamore, R. P.
'barren, Hen. P. D. Hughes, W. L. •Sebright, Sir J.
Earn', Sir C. littskisson, W. Sharpe, R.
bpfnfi. G. Jekyll, J. Shawe, Sir I.
&wide, C. Juhtlstone, G. „Shaw, R.
(*raft, J. • Keck, G.A. L. . Smith, G. '
Calvert, N. Knight, Robert Smith, J.
eunpbeil,Gen.D. Lamb, Hon.W. Smith, A.
Canning, Right Hon. Lsogton, W. G. Smith, Win. .
G. Latouche, R. Speirs, A.
Malone, R. •Lemon, SirW. Stewart, J.
Coke,"E. Lemon, J. *Sumner, G. H.
Colborne, N.W. R. Lester, B. Talbot, R. Mr.
Combe, H. C. Lloyd, Sir E. Tarleton, B.
*Cotes, J. Lockhart, J , T. Taylor, W.
Craig, J. *Long, R. Taylor, M. A.
Creney, 'l'. Longman, G. Taylor, C. W.
Daly,ltt.Hn.D.B. •Lowndes, W. Thompson, T.
Daniel, R. A. •Lyttleton, Hrt, W. • Thornton, H. ,
'Davenport, D. Macdonald, J. l'ierney, Re. Hon. G.
Dillon, Hon.H. A. Manning, W. Tracey. C. H.
Drake, T. T. , Marryatt, J. • Tremayne, G. H.
Drake, W. T. Martin, H. Vansittart, Re. H. R.
snligdge, D. S. ~ Matthew, Hon. M. Vernon, G. G. V.
Dundas, Hon. L. " Maule, Hon. W. Wharton, J.
Ellis, C. R. Miltimay, Sir H. Whitbread, S.
.F.lnel J. Mills, AV. • W ilber force, W.
• Fellowes, W. H. *Milton, Vis. Williams, 0.
Fitzgera'4, Li H. Moore, P. • Will'ams, Sir R.
Fitzgerald, A. •Mostyn, Sir T. Winuington. Sir T.
Foley, Hon. alts Neville, Hon. R. Wruttesley, H.
°Foley, T. • Newport, Sir J. Wynne, C. W. W.
the following, and several other County ).lerubcrs paired off
in support of the BPI :
•Althorio, Vis. 'Cavendish, Ld. G. °Dickinson, W.
'Bastard, LT. "Coke, 'I. W. , "Guise, Sir W. B.
•Illackburne, J. Lefevre, Shaw Manners, General
1 I.IsT OF THE MINORITY
ISUO VOTED AGAINST TOL SINECURE. ABOLITION BILL.
Anuruther, Sir 1: Ellice, W. O'Brien, Sir E.
Apsiey, Lord Farmer, S. Paget, Hon. B.
Attersoll,-- Farquhar, I. Paget, Hon. C.
, Atbuthnot,Rt.Hlt. Feirts.on, J. Patterson J.
C. Fitzhugh, W. P. rectal:Rt. Hon. S.
140411, W. Foulkes, E. Phipps, Has. E.
haillie, G. ' French, A. Peale, R.
Ratkaro, Rt.Hu, C. Gibbs, Sir V. ' •Pitt, W. M.
Erne, S. Gordon,!. ' Planer, Sir T.
&ad, M. li. Graham, P. • Pole, Re. Hon. W.
.81erTv I. Graham, S. Porter, Geo.
,
t•tritotd, Lord G. Gunning, -- Robinson, Hon. F.
B's' PP, C. Coulbourn, H. Robinson, Gen.
Bootle, E. W. Hamilton, Hans Rochfort, G.
Bradshaw, Hrs. A. C. Hamilton, Si/ C. Rose, Re. Hon. G.
ihodrick, Hon. W. 'Harvey, E. Rose, G. H.
Smoke, Lord Hill, Sir G. F. Ryder, Re. Hon. R.
!dal Sir E. Holford, G. P. Scott, Re. Hon. Sir W.
Bruce, T.
Holmes, W. Singleton, M.
lullkets.ll , Lord •Honblon, LA. Sloane, W.
1 Cal y,
C Houston, A
A H
. Smith, . '
anphslivert,, Gen. A. Hume, Sir . Smith, T. A.
CM*Pbelif A.
C Hume,.— Stteyd, R.
Castlereagh, Vises. Irving, J. Scott, Claude
Clive, w, Jones, G. Somerset, Lord A.
Clive, H. Kenrick, W. Stephen, J.
ekr.:,lell, Earl of •Mingston, J. Stewart, Hr J.
C°6l4l2er lion. G. *Leycester, H. Strat.an, A.
Coke, D. P. Lockhart Sir A. Sullivan, Rt. Hon. J.
Cou
~ riellar, T. P. Loftin, Gen. St. Asaph, I.ord
`4llll'. /m.. I.oft, Gen. . • Thynne, Lord J.
Colquhouo,A. I.ong, Rt. Hon.C. Thompson, Sir T.
Crakes, y , W.
Longfield, M. Thynne, Lord G.
Davis, R. H. Lay:tine, Lord Ty rw hitt, 'F.
Voeties, W.
• LOWAber, Jas. Wallace; Re. lin.T.
on
Drummd. C. H. Lushisigton, R.S. Walpole, Lord
Duckett, G.
Drummond, J. Martial,, ut kelt ni
I.
A.
WWWarchaindrisßon s' o. Generalgbe Diligelarl, Dr. Pat. *Mellishr W.
Dubsigat Kt. Hn. W. Mootagne, M.
Dufferio Lori Yarmouth, Earl
Eli 'lt Moonom, Adm. Yorke, Sir J.
Eliot, --"• W. Moore, Lord H.
it appear, from the above List, that only five English ClllaggY
11115110.11 voted with Mr. Pausal a this Elliman.