Star.
London, England, 1802-03-25 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The Cilia of the Black Rod futrunoned the Haute to the
Hook of Peers to hear his Majcfty's Commiflioo read.
The Sr z , attended by formal Members, went to the
Haute of Peers, and on his return informed the Houle that
the Royal Affeat had been given, by Commiflion, to the kith
Revenue Bill, the Mutiny 818, the Marine Mutiny Bill, the
American Treaty Bill, the Tranfpnation Bill, the &woolen
Bill, the Clergy Non-relidence Sill, the Plymouth Embank-
ment Bill, and one private Bill.
Mr. Colter brought in a Bin for the better Collettkin of
the Revenue in Ireland, which was read a firft, and ordered
to be read a fecood time to-nturrow. -

Mr. CORRT preented an account of the Cunt. raid during
the loft year by the Commillioners for reducing the National
Debt of Ireland. Ordered to lk on the table.

On the Motion of Sir Jour. ANDIRSON. it was ordered
that the Houk do to-morrow refuhre Rh:Uinta a Committee
to confider the Report upon the Petition for improving the
Port of London.

Mr. VAIOII pojtponed to Friday neat his Intended
Aloilon for bringing in a Din for better fettling the public Ac-
counts.

The Committee of Supply was put of to Friday.
Lord GRANVILLIL LCI,IIIIOII brought up the Report of the
Committee appointed to confider ef giving power to Juftlees of
tk4Peate for the more dfeetually repairing of County Bridges,
which was ordered to be taken into further confideration on
'Tuelday.
Mr. BEAUMONT, from the Cantadflialea of the Caftans,
prefented an account of the amount of the Bounties paid on
the importation of Grain from the yth of April, riot, to the
lateft period to which the fame could be made up. Ordered to
lie on the Table.
THE 'Asses OF WALES.

Mr• MANNERS SUTTOM laid, he was lorry he
was not in his placr when his Right Hon. Friend
(the Chancellor of the Exchequer) pollponed his
Motion relative to the Civil Lift, to a day on which
he (Mr. Sutton) had intended to have brought
forward a Motion relative to the claims of the
Prince of Wales. However anxious his Royal
Highnefs was, that a fpeedy decifion ibould take
place relative to the claims, it was yet his de-
fire, that every rhiag fhould give way, in the firtl
inflance, to his duty and refpeet to his Sovereign.
Under there circumaances, he fhould even with-
out authority, had he heard the Motion relative
to the Civil Lift poltponed by the Right Hon.
Gentleman, have withdrawn hiS Notice in order
that his Mution might not interfere with that of
the Rigfit Hon. Gentleman. He hoped, however,
that without inconvenience to the Houle, the Mo-
tion, of which he had given notice, might be
brought forward on Wednefday, on which day he
intended to fubmit it to the Houfe.

FINANCI OF 1111LAIIIL
The CHANCELLOR of the Excolosta faid, he
walled to call the attention of the Houfe to the
fubjeet brouht forward by his Right Hon. Friend
(Mr. Corry) on the preceding day. His Right
Hon. Friend had prefented one Petition, and had
moved to bring up another, when an objeaion
was very properly taken, that they were private
Petitions, the time for receiving which had
elapfed. It was for the Houfe to confider, how
far they would or could relax from that Rule,
which t iel, had laid down with refpeet tb fuch Pe-
titions. He untied the Houfe woull do him the
juftice to believe, that he was pert 1y aware of
the value atid the importance of the forms of the
Houfe, and that they ought to be duly complied
with. The Order of the Houfe Rated that no
Petition for private Bills thould be received after
a certain time. The Petitions which t.is Right
Hon. Friend wifhed to prefent, were not for pri
rate Bills, but according to the eflablifhed ufage
of the Houfe the Order had been held to include
all Petitions from individuals. He did not wills,
therefore, to explain away the Order, but to call
the attention of the Houfe to the circumßances
of the prefent cafe. The Petitions were for aids
which had been regularly granted in the Parlia.

meet of Ireland, u a matter of COO& : h hay.
ing however become necefary, in compliance with
the forms of that Houfe, to prefent Petitions for
fimilar aids, the Petitioners bad done every thing
they could to fatisfy the Honfe, and had only
negleeed thole forms with which they were unac-
quainted. It was for the Honk to confider whe-
ther they would grant an indulgence to thofe Pe-
titioners by receiving the Petitions, which would
not be fo great an indulgence on the part of the
Houfe, if they were difpofed to difpenfe with the
Order in this inftance, as they had tall year
granted there Aids without any Petition whatever.
The objet of the Order he knew was important,
that parties concerned might know their intereab
would not be affeded if Petitions involving their
Rights were not prefented within a certain time.
The Rule had, however, been difpenfed with in
Tome inflances, whereas in the cafe of there Peti-
tions, no objection could wife from the rights of
other individuals being affe9ed. He was unwilling
to fuggeft any thing upon the fubjed, but from a
feeling of what was due to that part of the United
Kingdom, he was difpofed to move—" That leave
&odd be given to prefent, on or before the 3d of
April, Petitions relative to the Mifcellaneous Ser-
vices of Ireland, which had been ufually provided
for by the Parliament of Ireland, without any
tition relative to the fame."

Sir W. ELvaan wined to kno* whether any
inconvenience would refult from delaying the
voting of the fume wanted for thcfe Cervices in
Ireland.

Mr. Cony faid, that a confiderable inconveni-
ence would arife, if the voting of the Supplies for
Ireland was paponed for any confiderable time.
The Services to which thefe Petitions related, had
been confidered as public in Ireland, whilft here
they were confidered as private. He thought the
Order might be difpenfed with in the prefent in-
fiance, as no inconvenience could refult front it to
any individual, and he trufted that the Houfe
would be fatisfied, that enough had been done on
the part of the Petitioners, to prove their readincfs
to comply with the dcfire of the Houle.
Mr. RoasoM faid, thatlums of money for thcfc
Services had been before granted, without any
Petition whatever,

The CHANCELLOR of the Excumay ER f.tid, it was
then underitoood that Petitions were in future to
be prefented.—The motion of the Chancellor of
the Exchequer was agreed to.
Mr. Coixv then prefented the following Peti-
tions for the aid of Parliament, with his Majeay's
recommendation, which %vac feverally ordered to
lie on the Table :
A Petition from the Go►ernors of the Haute of Indultry in
Dublin, an inftitution which had, Mr. Corry Laid, been pro-
dative of the molt extenfive utility throughout the kingdom of
Ireland, aid which had oceaftonally reikved writ= from this

Itingdoirs.
A Petition from the Governors of the Foundling Hofpital in
Dublin.

A Petition from the Hibernian Marine Society of Dublin.
A Petition from the Governors and Guardians of the Hiber-
nian School for foldiers' children.
A Petition from the Governors and Governeffes of the Fe-
male Orphan Houle.
A Petition from the Afrociation for dircountenancing vice,
and promoting the knowledge ;mil praCtice of the Chriltian
Raleion.
.____ _ _ • .

A—Petltlon from the Governors of the Pealtentifry Houle.
A Petition from the Directors of the Weft's:toreland Luck
. _

A Petition from the Hofpital for the recovery of perfons in
contagious fevers.
A Petition from the Dublin Society, for the promotion of
hubs:Wry, and other ufeful arts.
A Petition from the Truftees of the Roman Catholic Semi-
nary at Maynooth.
A Petition front the Corporation for paving, eleanfing, .and
lighting the City of Dublin.
On the quellion for bringing up this Petition,
Mr. ROBSON raid, he thought the fooner he ob-
jeaed to this Petition the better, as it was calling
upon this country to pay the parochial rates of the
city of Dublin. He conlidered the Board eftablifh-
ed for the purpofe of paving, cleanling, and light-
ing the city of Dublin, as a mere job, and that
Parliament had nothing to do with its fupport. If,
however, Parliament had any thing to do with it,
he was well informed, that the city of Dublin might
be paved, cleanfed, and lighted, for ta,oool. leis
than the fum which was at prefent employed for
that purpofe.
The SPIAICER fubmitted to the Hon. Member,
that though he had in ftriancfs a right to make
there oblervations, whether it would not be more
convenient if he referved them for another Rage of
the butinefs.

Mr. Ronson raid, his reafon for making thefe
obfervations was, that Gentlemen might come pre-
pared upon the fubjed.
The Petition was then brought up.—On the
quellion that it fhould lie on the Table,
Mr. Joit as (aid, the affertion of his Hon. Friend
(Mr. Robfon), that the paving, cleanfing, and
fighting of the city of Dublin, might be done for
12,0301. lefs than it was at prefent, was of confider-
able importance, as it flood uncontradided.
Mr. ALIZANDAR Paid, it was a moft extraordi•
nary argument, that becaufe an affertion made by
an Hon. Member was not contradicted, it was to
be taken as true. The affertions made by the Hon.
Member (Mr. Robfon) tended to defeat their own
object.
The SPEARSa fuggeßed that the argument was
not then pettedly regular.
Mr. ALIXANDRIL laid, he only walled to argue,
that an affertion was not to be taken as true be-
' caufe it was not contradided. He need not (late
the reafon why the afertion made by the Honour-
able Gentleman (Mr. Robfon) was not contradid-
ed, but it was not neceffary at all times to contra.
diet alfertions.
Mr. Vausirraar obferved, that the Hon. Gen.
tleman (Mr. Robfon) had laid, that the paving,
cleanfing, and lighting of the city of Dublin, might
be done for 12,0001.1efs than it was at prefent.---
The rum voted for this purpofe in the laft Sellion
was, he believed, ta,oool. according to the Hon.
Gentleman, therefore, if it could be done for
z,oool. lets, the city of Dublin might be paved,
cleanfed, and lighted for nothing at all.
Mr. RoasoN explains 1.
Lord Ds Bi.actuitk fubmitted whether it was
becoming in an Hon. Gentleman to call that a job
which had been faationed by the Parliament of
Ireland.

. The Petition was then ordered to lie on tl.e tah;.!
Mr. Coital, Paid, in order that the Houfe lhoull
be in poffeffion of every poffible information upon
the fubjeft, he Arnold move for the eftimate of the
expences of the different inftitutions mentioned
the Petitions. He concluded by moving for an
eftimate relative to the Proteftant Schools.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER fuggened
the propriety of Paving the time of the Houfe, by
making one motion, which fhould include all the
eftimates.
Mr. CORRY acceded to this fuggeftion, and
moved for eftimates of the expences of the inftitn-
tions mentioned in the feveral Petitions, for one
year, from the sth of January 1802, to the 5111 of
January rl3o3.—Ordered.
Mr. Conley fhortly afterwards prefented tilde
ellimates—which were ordered to lie on the T./1,;?.
Mr. CORRY moved for an eftimate of the
pences of the Truftees of the linen manufaflure rt
Ireland from the sth of January aoz, to the 511:
of January tBo3.—Ordered.
Mr. CORRY prefented an account, purfuant to
Aft of Parliament, from the Commillioners for the
reduftion of the National Debt of Ireland—which
was ordered to lie on the Table.

of themtelves and their OffsettsTre,arefented a me-
morial to the Lords of the ury, which had
been referred to the King's Proftor, and on the
cite as Rated to him, he had certified to the Lords
of the Treafury, that the Memorialifts were entitled
to the relief they prayed. The letter of the Proftor
was on the table, and might be perufed by any
Member. The turn required was 45,3321. 175.6 d.
}le had the fatisfadion of Informing the Committee
that when this fum was paid, every claim upon
the Noble Commanders, in confequence of their
obedience to the orders they had received, would
be liquidated. The left Refolution he had to fub-
mit to the Committee, was for griming a fum of
410,0001. the deficiency in the eftimated duty of
200,0001. for goodi exported and imported, and
.r tonnage of (hips and veffels for tilos. It was
tieceffary to obferve, that upon the Signing of the
preliminaries of piece, doubts had been entertain-1
ed, whether the Convoy Duty was any longer
chargeable, and upon reference to the firß legal
authorities, it was determined not to be chargeable.
..In confequence of that determination there had
been a very confiderable deficiency, which it was
neceffiry to make good. The objeft of the Refo-
lotion he had to propofe, was to fupply the defi-
ciency in the funs of 1,200,0001. which had been ,
produced by the event he had alluded to. At the
time time he took the opportunity of obferving,l
that he had in contemplation the renewal of the
.Convoy Duty nndertertain regulations and modi-
fications. He should fubmit his plan within a very
Short period,' and he was happy in- affuring the
Committee that he ()mold bring it forward- with
the approbation of the Bridal Merchants, who in
a Manner highly creditable to themfelves,bad given
it their fandion and concurrence. He concluded
• by moving his firs "Refolution.
Mr. Jot: a s exprefted his approbation of parts of
the Speech of the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
•tvhich appeared to him, he laid, to look towards
Peace; but he confidered the fubjed of Exche-
qtier Bills as one that would require the attention
.of Parliament. They were iffued now almoft as
readily as bank notes. He Should like to know
what the account was of the profit and 101 l on there
bills ; there pita be a good deal of it, they being
fometimes at a premium and fometimes at a dill
count. The rum granted to the Duke of Rich-
. • -mond was done in the Spirit of accommodation,
about which be would fay nothing.'As to the fum
• pi...poled to be voted to the Noble Earl (St. Vin-
cent), and the Noble Lord (Grey), be had no ob-
• jedion ; but he apprehended there were others
who had equal claims to the favour of Parliament.
He thought there were tome accounts wanting,
according. to the notice of the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, that taught to have been on the
table.
The CMANCILLOR of the Excasoyst Paid, that
all the accounts to which his notice referred were
upon the tablet and juftified his former obfervation
on this• fubjed. As to the fubjeft of the advance
• of the Bank what he Paid was, whether that was
to be renewed or not ; all all events, there Should
be a Provifion now, in the fame manner as had
. been made for the lall four years: but in the event
of the return of Peace, he hoped the continuance
of this vote would not be necefary. With regard
to the cafe of the Earl of St. Vincent and my Lord
Grey, the Honourable Gentleman teemed to con-
fider it as an as of favour to them. The Commit.
tee would not underftand him as fo Rating it, nor
was he Rating it as an ad of liberality on the part
of Parliament—k was a claim on behalf of thofe
gallant and Meritotious Officers on the Juftice of
their Country, to fare them from expences for hav-
ing tided in obedience to the commands of Go-
vernment. It was, therefore, nct an ad of gene-
roiity, but of juflice. He concluded with expect-
fins a hope that the Hon. Gentleman would do
him the jullice to acknowledge he was accurate in
the ftatement he made on the papers on the table.
Mr. Jonas atknowledged the Minifter was right
in that refped, and begged to be underflood, as
carting no reflation whatever on either of the two
noble Officers who were to be indemnified by the
Committee; no man living, had a higher regard
than hintrelf, for the noble Earl at the head of the
Admiralty. It was proper, there Officers Should
have a return of the ezpcnce of there captures:
The CHANCILLOR of the Excneopaa Paid, that
there again the Hon. Gentleman miftook the mat-
ter. This was not a vote propofed to defray the
expenees of Earl St. Vincent and my Lord Grey,
but to indemnify them for loffes they would have
fullained by the ads they. did in the Service of their
country, and in obedience to the Order in Council
of the Executiee Government, and as fuel), a claim
of juflice.
Dr. Lewaincs gave an account of the ailing
the Order in Council for the capture of all veffeis
bound to the enemy's ports, the. but obferved, that
the revocation of that Order took place in January
1794; and he contended, that the Order of revo-
cation was known to there noble perfons before the
detention ceafed, and no condemnation took place
at the fait of there gallant Officers. Rellitution
had been ordered in a great many cafes, of which
he gave an account; and obferved, that in cafes
where there Commanders had not received any
prize-money, indemnification was an aft of jufiee.
But if they Should not be called on to reftore any
thing which they might have received, and were
Iseverthelefs to be indemnified, that was not to be
• a mere ad of juflice.—He did not fay that
thing was done by there noble perfons that did
let proceed from neceffity ; yet he thought the
,mmittee might do well to paufe before they
~,ted the whole of this fum at once, as a matter
coerce, He inclined to think that Tome inquiry
to the eircumftances of this cafe ought to precede
t: s vote.--lf, upon inquiry, it Should appear, that
t" .ry thing done in this cafe was neceffary, it
.out() be proper to come to this vote ; but he did
• think it a mere matter of courfe.
Mr. N. VANSITTART raid, the Learned Gentle-
' in might, perhaps, be Satisfied to bear that the
whole of 114--Receipts of my Lord St. Vincent,
4nd my Lord Grey, had been paid up by them, as
I.peared by the Report of the King's Proftor, and
:..at they owed no Wence to any perfon whom-
ever--The Refolution was then put and carried,
The fum of 28651. Iris voted to defrny the Ex.