Star.
London, England, 1806-06-19 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The Mary-la-biome Paving, Minting, and lighting Bill was
reed a third rime, paled, and ordered to the Lords.
I he Houk misdeed Into a Committee on the AtUffrd Taxes
NM which. poultrant to an in*ruction mooed to the Coonsk-
ins, wu divided into two. It was reported forthwith, ordered
to be prillts4, Acid taken Lido further cimildcration on Friday
neat.
Ori the motion of Mr. NIVINIIHAIII, dre 'mg-tiding:ma nude
t.y the Nook of Lords in the Mutiny Bill were taken into
t wistleratiuu, and agreed to, and an intimation thereof feet to
the Lord.
IIOHN NFWPORT prefented • BiU (or appointing COM•
ntitioners to inveitigate the fonds, Revenues, and AbelAb l a or the
Eadowed Pubic !School. in Ireland. Read the Brit time, asol or-
dered for the I. (wad reading on Friday nen.
1 be Gibraltar and Malta Pottage lUU, and the Irifh Mine Bill,
went thrones a Committee : to be reported to-morrow.
Read a keeled rime, nod committed for Friday, the Irifis Ca
pent and Import truly Confo 11411.
Mr. VANS! ['TART gave notice, that the Army Fltraordina-
narks would be moved In the Committee of Supply on Friday.
Read a third time and pallid. the bilk Pod Road bill.
Colo el BASTARD rowed for Copies of all Orders and Re-
gulations fur Yeomanry Caviary, Kurd Suer Elie ad of Febru•
ary. :14-6, by the Stcretary of State or the Scents,ey at Wilf.•
orjaed.

STACII COICNIS.
Sir JOHN SINCLAIR fisted, that from the Re-
port he held in his band of the Committee appointed
ermine into the leveret Ads tel,tive to the re.
gulation of Stage Coaches, it appeared, that almoß
numbetlefs lerious mifehie(s and grie%anccs were
flail) entailed on the pudic, in confcquince of the

pots and Blameful evaGon of the raid Ails ; that the
hill Ad, commonly called Mr. Gammon's All, had
provided what were then thought fufficicntly Oren
regulations, ►o prevent the many dreadful accidents,
which daily °centred from the overloading Stage
Coaches with outride parfetigers t thole regulai,ons
were now however rendered unavailable, by various
methods hit upon to evade and defeat their intended
purple+, and the Committee had been informed,
that within the two lag days a Stage Coach had from
thole caufes been overtu►ncd, and two perfons were,
in cunfequence thereof, killed. Tl:e Committee
hoped, neverthelefs, that Inch regulations might
gill be made as would remedy thole grievances, if a
new Mt was paled for the purpofe of amending the
laid Ad ; and had, therefore, authorifed him to
move for leave to bring in a Bill to that cffc& The
Ad of the King was then entered as read. and he
moved, " that leave be given to bring in a Bill for al
tering and amending the Paid Ad."—Granted.
1111. PoTT'll MISTS.

Lord FOLKESTONE, teeing the Noble Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer in his place, rofe to require
rime information upou a fubjefi not unimportant.—
It would, he laid, be in the reeolleffion of the Houle,
that a turn of 40,c001. was Some time Since voted for
paying off the debts of the late Right Hon. Chancel-
lor of the Exchequer. In looking over, a Short time
' ago, the various fume of money advanced by his
Najd's% orders from the Civil Lin, in confequence
of Addreffes from this Houle, and not yet made
good, he nbferved that a fum of 41,0001. tos. had
been advanced to Lord Chatham and the Lordßithnp
of Lincoln, as the Executors of the late Mr. Pitt. for
that purpofe. It was necagary, then. that fume ex-
planation Should be gives.em the advance of ate fur.
plus furn beyond wisat-the Houle had voted; and be
therefore moved, "that there be laid before the Hours
a copy of the Order for payment of the (asst."—
Ordered accordinlgy.

wasczyts Witt r.
Lord TEMPLE moved the order of the day for
taking intocoolideration the charge againtl the Mar-
quis Wender.
Mr. PAULI. moved, that the Houfe thould now
take the charge into confideratioa.
Mr. BANKS laid, he believed the time was now
come when it would be molt convenient for him to
date the reafons why, in his opinion, the Houle &mild
proceed no further in this matter, but diftnifs it en-
tirely from their confideration. In endeavouring to
p:rfussle the Houk to concur with him, he did not
know that mote would be required from him than to
(hew that the courfe prnpn(ed was of a kind that pre-
tended to bring a charge before a tribunal which
could not poffibly difpofe of it according to junk&
It would lead the Houle to the adoption of a prece-
dent, of which only one inftance had occurred in the
criminal jutifinudence of the et mar ry —a precedent.he
th tight, which no man ought to defire to fee renewed.
It would be his °llea to (hew, that there was a mode
by which matters of this fort could and ought to be
profecuted. The leginaturc,confcious of its inability
to difcliarge ditties of this natqte, and feting how is.
applicable the forms of parliamentary proceedive
were to filch cafe', had fpecially provided a mode
trying all offences committed in India. In advert
to the forme judicial power of Parliament he wi
to (peak of it with all pollible refpelt and venerates.
It had been attended wick the snoft falutary and be-
neficial conliquences, and but for the eurcife of the
power, the country might not have enjoyed its liber.'
ties, and the fecutity it was in poffeffion of, for the;
continuance of them. But it was an curdle of power
that ought to be fubjea to around and wife difcretion,
and, though in theory, the canto:out of loch offences
as were contained in this charge refit:led in Parlisaiic
yet there were cafes which it might be injudicious ii
bring before this Houfe, or carry as matter of aces
filial to the other Houk. This was a cafe he coo.
fidere4 analogous to the one which had for (eves
felficesevesened the attention of the Houle of Lord%
he mem the Impeachment of Mr. Hallings.
charges againa the Marquis of Wellethy were fish.
nutted to the fame tribunal, he feared the delay would
be of equal duration. It involved the whole of the
tranfaaions and the political and commercial rela-
tions of the extenfive province of Oude for the lad
luny years, with the aihnioidration of the Covers-
ment of the Marquis of Welleney foe the Taft five
years—the foundation of the Charge was, that the
Noble Marquis had let out with a determination to
fubvert the Government and rights of the Nabob ;
and that, in confequence of his tuitions and °pref•
lions, the country was put into loch a (tate, that many
of the landholders rofe in rebellion. The more corn•
plicated the cafe was, the more it became Parliament
to confider whether it was fit fur them to deal wigs
it, or to give any opinion whatever. It fliould tie
reconciled, that it was a tribunal which, shout* it
might nut bring punithment to guilt, could not fail
to bring vexation upon innocence..-4 profecntion
before the Houfe of Lords was attended with an
eapence ruinous to the fortune of the accufed. He
proceeded to refer to the India Judicature Alt, under
which, he contended, it was competent to sty the
Noble Marquis for offences imputed to him. The
first Rep taken under that Alt would be to apply to
the Court of King's Bench. The Court would eau-
cife its judgment in the firli ioftance, as to entertain-
ing the complaint, or dilmiffing it altogether. This
he looked upon to be a wile and falutary regulation.
The Court of King's Bench confined of melons like-
ly to be qualified to judge of any cafe that could pdf•
libly come before them, whatever reference it might
have to contiderations of a political nature. He then
Rated the cafe of Mr. Holland, which was brought
before the Court of King's Bench, under the India
Judicature Att. All the charges agoinft him were
of a public name. They embraced the general po.
litical condo& of one of the fervants of the India
Company. Many of the charges had been dibillo wed;
but that was merely on account of the omiffion of
certain neceffirry allegations. Upon that occaGon
Lord Kenyon had expelled his (invite that the *dual
allegations of form had not been attended to. The
chat ses contained nineteen counts, of which (even
were difmiffed, and twelve allowed. A Writ of
Error was brought with a view to eftablith thoti
counts which had been difollowed ; but in the mean
time Mr. Holland ablconded, and no farther progrefs
was made in the bufinefs. He withed the Hook to
confider, whether it would not be by far the better'
way to difmifs the Charge, and leave it to the ope-
ration of the India Judicature Bill ? He was aware
that it was natural for innocence to cuurt enquiry,

and that the Noble Marquis was anxious to have his
conduit? invelligated ; but he was of opinion, that nei.
thcr the witbes of the Noble Marquis, or his friends.
ought to induce the Houk to involve itfelf in a pro-'
cuffing which widd be difcteditable to the jußice
and wildom of Parliament.
The MASTER of the ROLLS obferved, that the
cousie which his Hon. Friend had potholed to the
Houfe to poring, was certainly calculated to flatter
their indolence; and, for his part, he &mild have
been glad could it have been adopted with propriety.
It would certainly relieve the Houfe from a burden
of which all mull be fenfible. But he thought, that
the principles and arguments of his Hon. Friend went
ton far, and would eventually trench upou thole in.
qtrifitorial powers which belonged to the Houfe, to
enquire into charges of magnitude brought spina
perfons of high dignity. In matte's of this kind, we
mull be content to follow the principles of our enter-
tors. His Hon. Friend had laid, that impeachment
Ibould only be reforted to in cafes of the laft suet':
kr. But it was by no means certain this would
proceed the length of impeachment. The charge
alone was now propofed to be taken into confiders,
lion, and it would be afterwards for the Houfe to de-
cide what coo& fhould be followed, when that was
gone throngh. With regard to the particular mode
of trial which he recommended. it could not. ft•m
the inttance which he had mentioned, be confidered
as likely to be very expeditious. In 1704 the infor-
mation was bled againit Mr. Holland, and it was not
before 1794 that the Court of King's Bench had de-
cided on the form of information to be laid before
the tribunal to be appointed under the A. All the
neeeffary fulikquent proceedings upon this informs.
filth were afterwards to take place. This mode,
therefore, did not promife much mote expedition
than that by impeachment. His Hon. Friend had
Rated a doubt, whether the prefent charge could be
brought under the MI in glut' ha. That Aft empower-,
ed the lot oration of a tribunal fur the trial of extortion
and other mildcmcanors ; and it was rational to ex-
plain the general words, " other mifilemcanors," as
referring to effendi of a fimilar or an inferior na-
ture, time higher offences mull have been fpeciEed,
in preference to thofe of a minor kind, had it been
defigned to include them. His Hon. Friend's doubt,
therefore, appeared perfealy well founded, and he
himielf was convinced. that the AA had no reference
to thole higher political offences with which the No-
ble Lord was charged, and that therefore the trial of
the charge could not be intlituted under the Aa in
queßion. It mull he confeffed, indeed, that the of-
fences with which Mr. Holland was charged: were
of a political nature, and that the opinion of Lord
Kenyon was of high authority, but Rill he might be
permitted to doubt the interpretation which was then
put spore the A& It appeared to him, that the
Houfe could not drop their proceedings in the precast.
inllance. They bad agreed to take the charge into
confideration, and they could not psis from the vote
they had already given. He wifbed that his Ho.
nourable Friend had offered his fuggeltion at an
earlier period. For a whole year, the (Oka had been
before the Houle ; papers had been moved for day
after day, and the nature of the charge had been, in
fume meanie, explained to the Houfe. It was ob-
vious that it related to the adminiaration of the Noble
Lord in India. When it was mowed that the Houle
amid take the charge into confideration, then would
have been die proper time for bringing forward .the
preterit motion. But now the Houfe were in circa
called span to declare that they were in an error, and
to fay, that, though they had refulved to take the
charge into confideration, they would now give no
opinion at all on the fubjea, nor come to any deb .
urination with regard to what &cold follow. It ap-
peared to him, that the prefent motion would do jut-
tice neither to the scarier nor the secured. Suppohng
the accufer to be aauated by malice. which he had
no reafon to prefurne, thould the Indent motion be
agreed to, he might congratulate hinailf on having
gained his nailed, by exciting doubts in the public
mind with regard Or the conduh of the Noble Lord,
and throwing a Ihade over his charaCter which it might
be difficult to remove. No opportunity would be given
for the accufed bring heard in his own defence. The
whole charge would be lefe to be difeuffed in a newt
paper controverly, and fuck was certainly not the
proper way for deciding it. Neither would juflice be
done to the accufer. After fo long perplexing him
Cell with papers and enquiry, after giving and taking
fo much trouble, it would not be fair to drop the
matter at once, without coming to any determination
upon it. But the Houfe had already palled a ref Au.
tion to take the charge into confideratinn. The min-
ter might be poliponed, but it could not be relin. ,1
quithed. It did not appear that this bulthels could
occupy much of the time of the Houle. The papers
on which the charge was founded had long been
printed, and it would not be difficult for any Gentle-
man to form an opinion on the Intik& Should the
•motion be agreed to, the Houfe would be confidered
as having, in fume meafure, rclinquitbcd its inquifi.
tot ial power, and as haring declared itfelf inadequate
to fuch inquiries. Such was the coocluirun which be
thought the public would naturally draw.
Mr. Secretary FOX laid, that it mutt undoubtedly
be the with both of the friends of the Noble Margets
and of his accufers. that the fubjea lhould have the
fulled coafideration, and at the fame time, that the
Houk Should proceed to the decifion of the godlier'
with as little delay as poflible. If the bufinefs were,
bowed.' to go on in the way that was now pointed
out, the Hoot,: would be 6,0 n under the necetlity of
confidering whether Come mode could not be adopted '
for quickening the final determination upon the quel.
titan? If the Houk were now to enter upon the demi-
nation of oral evidence, and that oral evidence wete
to take up oly thing near the time that is %dually
confumed in itch domination:, it would be evidently
Impoffible to done to the conclusion of the bathe& in
the cootie of the prefent faun. When lie Paid it was
impoffible, he knew that it would be in the power of
the Crown to ptcotalt the duration of the Sefton fo
long as there would be time for fitrilhing it ; but then
it would be abfulutely impoffible to keep together
loch a number of Members as would fecure an at.
tendairee' inch as the importance at the fubjea, or !
even the forms of the Hook would require. It there-'
foie on the prelim occolion he waited to abtloin from '
the labour that was before the Houfe,it was not from
any with to (pare himfell the fatigue of attending, but
merely from the diffitoilty there would be, in this ad-
rancid period of the feffion, to obtain a full atten-
dance of that Hoofs. lie erect with a 4reAt deal

of what had fallen from the Honourable and !.earn:.'
Gentleman, and who had exprerbly recognized tl -
right of the Huufe to ezercife as inquititorial pow:
in whatever manner it Gould judge moil proper. A
to the power of impeachment in general, be confiderc ('
it as a vital principle of the Conaitution, bet in th,
medical application of it he thought it was belt pre
fervid by being warily exercifed: He would not fay,
that there might not he offences committed in India
which would be proper rubjeds of profecution by im
peachment, but kw Gould be agetnk that mode of
proceeding, mild he thought it neccffary to melon
the honour of the Crown and of the country, The
Learned Gentleman who (poke lath famed to confi
der that the great mars of voluminous pa which
were moved for made a foleson and i Java
tigation more peculiarly weary. The Grime
manner in which the charge was introduced, sad she
mars of papers that were moved for to fupport it,
might certainly render fame
re pmeillid
manner
meefferY ;
lat
but then the Houfe we to judge in whathmannerhe proceedings, which were necerrary, might at tht
fame time be as little burthenfoene as polfi*. In kis
opinion, the Houfe wets only pledged to ester into
the bufinefs as (son as it was convenient so them..—
They were not abfolutely bound to eatertaia the
chair. The bringing in a chary was a matter for
which only the individual Member who introduced it
was refpoofible. The Hone was no party to k. There
was one part of the charge which he thought much
too general. When "extortion and other atifileates-
noun" were mentioned, be Gould be glad to know
whether shore general ezpreiGoss meant that any coif-
demeanours of a leffer nature Garold be examined
under that charge. As to the cafe of Mr. Holland,
which bad been mentioned, the offence there was of
a nature purely political. In the prefent cafe, if any
proceediugs Gould become nemffaxy, be thOught
they (bould :e carried oa before the tribunal.appoint-
ed by the Ads of 1784 and 1786. As ro impeach-
ment, he was as determined to vote spina it, from
the prefint impreffion on his mind, as any man could
be who was MU difpofed to bear, with patience and
attention, what arguments might hereafter be brought
forward, but which had not might
been Rated.—
He did confider that impeachment upon fulsjeds of
Indian Adminiflration, or any other tranfadicins of a
very complicated nature, was a hopclefs mode of
proceeding. He did not at all mean to !peak flight-
ingly of the trial by impeachment, nor of the Tribe-
nal before whom loch qaellions were deeided; but he
had learned fro, experience, that fobjeds of a very
complicated nature mold not well be invefligated in
that manner. He had hinsfelr formerly &deiced the im-
peachment again(! Mr. Hall ins., butlong before it was
&tidied be changed bis'opinion upon the fubjed. Eves
fuppofing it Gould be the opinion of the Wolfe that
the Noble perfon spina whom the recent charg
e
was brought had grofily milcondufted himfelf, isZ
not follow upon that annum that impeachment was
the proper proceeding. It might be rufficient for the
Hour. to declare its opinion by a refolution. If the
oral evidence that was now to be brought before the
Houle Gould occupy any time, the only mode that he
could then fuggell for thortening the bonne, would
be, for the Houle to rectifies an entire day to the
fubjed. and come down at elute or twelve o'clock
in the morning. The only rodeo that he felt a de.
licacy in propofing this was. that it was abidingly
imprilible, from the &nation be held, that be could
attend the Houfe at thore boors, sad he did not like
the appearance of flaying away while thofe charges
were under conaaerauon. As fosse expedition was
however held our, that the oral evidence would not
Lilt long, it might be the better way to proceed in it
Ewa day or two in the regular ilisciler ; but if it Gould
then become evident, that it would take up mete time
than the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Paul) fup.
poled, then the Houfe mull confider fame mode of
bringing the Winer' to a more rpeedy Me as it
could not be the will of the Honourable Gen;kman
who brought the &minion, or of the friends of the
Noble Lord who was the object of it, that the bufinefs
lhonld be delayed beyond the parent &Goa
The Tuition was theft put and agreed to, sad, on
the motion of Mr. PAUL, the Hours refolved it(elf
into a Committee, to confider of the charge, Lord
Folknone in the chair.—The Chairman tint &tired
the Strjeant to call Lord Teigoneuth.
Mr. PAUL then raid a few words, relative to the
inttoduaton of a nowt hand writer.

The SPEAKER laid, that purfnant to the prac-
tice of the Houle, it was not ufual to make a motion
on the fubjed ; but the clerk, on an tinderdanding,
would do his duty.
Lord MONMOUTH then having appeased at the
infide of the Bar, the Chairman Paid—" My Lord,
there is a Chair for your L,ortilltip to repute on, if
you think proper."
Mr. PAUL immediately rote, and proceeded to
interrogate his Lordlhip. with refpea to tran!aetions
in India, from the period of hi. appointment to the
pod of Govertor General. A quettion being put to
the Noble Lord, with refpea to the ()pinion he en-
tertained of certain treatie., which had been meted
into with the native Princes—
Mr. GAItROW rule, and laid, that -whatever
cpsettions were afked fliould merely relate to teas.
He apprehended that the opinion of the Noble Lord,
with regard to written documents, could not, with
propriety, be afked; as the opinion the Houle fh Atld
entertain, would be belt known from the treaties
themfelves.

Mr. PAUL laid, if he was not allowed so put the
queflinn, a part of his charge mutt remain without
proof.
Mr. GARROW laid, the only mode the Houma.
able Gentleman could pusfue. was firil to prove the
fan, and then to produce the peaty, to thew in %%Lai:
manner it was broken.

Mr, JOHNSI'ONE did not think the Honourable
Gentleman (Mr. Paul) would find hinifilf in any
difficulty, as he could ark whether any demand was
made on the Vizier, in confequence of additional
troops ?
Mr. PAUL then proceeded with the examination.
Upon the quellion—'. If the I`4:4l>ob h.td ma,*
fottible reprefintation of the conduiff of the a
cJidcut
Mr. Cherry), for improper interference. would your
Lordfhip have thought yourfelljultified in continuing
him at Lueknow ?"

Lol.l Tamara.; vim was about to read, horn a
paper, which he held in ht hand t wten
k.:411 TENII'LIi liqgrd the Noble ‘Vitnefs might
withdraw. He then fuhntitted to the Houle, whetl.cr
it WAS proper the Noble Lxd Would read hii rei ly

from pape4•, which were already before the Cots
millet t nr whether it would not be brute to prevent
the H••ufe from havng garbled extrads from them
enforced up to their attention, and to fare time, that
the Wharfs &mild fay at once, that the anfwer was
to he found in the Papers ?
Mr. FRANCIS laid, he thought alto that the
erasing of Papers'vras anomalous, and that it was
nor the prettiest, in fuch cafes as this. for the Wit.
netTer to refer to papers, for any purpofe, beyond
that of reftefhing their memories.
Mr. ROSE confidered it improper that the Noble
Lord &mild be interrogated as to his opinion upon
any point, and thought that the teilimony ought to
be confined to matter of fall.
Mr. PAUL Paid, the praflice of reading from
papers had been invariably purfued during the im-
peachment of Mr. Haßings, and the Noble Lord was
merely referring to memorandums which he held in
hi► hand for his individual ufe.
Mr. GARROW could not eneceive what the opi-
nion of the Noble Witnefs, abed for in the interrn.
getory, eouldhave to do with the malverfation charged
ogaind the Governor General of India. He hardly
knew to what extent that honfe felt Well privileged to
make fuel; inquiries in a cafe of the nature of that
before them ; but, certainly, in any other place, the
rules of evidence would not permit an inquiry as to
the opinion of the witnefs.
Dr. LAWRENCE faid,ke mull inform the Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. Garret's), titat the Hnufe had a
latitude of inquiry, which was not fettered by judicial
formalities ; but this quellion, he thought, was quite
beyond objedlinn, as it was not one tending di, ealy
to criminate the Defendant. Would not the Hon.

Gentleman, in the fituation of an Attorney General,
have been able, even in a Court of jullice. to put a
queflion that lhould loam legal evidence ? It was an
endeavour to difenve►.the•6tuatinn of a party, as in
the cafe of a eonfpitacy, is which Lord Hardwicke
had laid down the law, that flich an inquiry was
admiaible
Mr. GARROW Paid, he was not acquainted with
any predict's, in fuch cafes, that were not within the
rule of evidence ; but coming from the Courts below,
and ignorantly, as it teemed, Braying into that Houfe,
he was certainly difpofed fubmiffively to teceive the
lam of the " Learned Donor," on the ufage of Par-
Lament, and then retire ; but he would firfl, in expla-
nation, fay, that if the Houk really knew no bounds,
in queftions of judicature, all the lawyers had been of
opinion that it was right to refrain them. In reply
to the quellion of the •r Learned Donor," whether,
as an Attorney General, he would not, in certain
cafes, allow hearfay evidence ? he would tell the
.1 Learned Donor" that he certainly would not.—
When the matter of inquiry was ultimately to he laid
before a Criminal Court, the " Learned Donor"
lhould konw that no loch thing was admitted : it
mutt be all Reeling, legitimate evidence. He confi•
dared that the Houfe mull be fatisficd, as they would
&newer upon their honour, that there was fufficient
impeachable ground in the fans proved before them,
to inflitute a criminal trial ; and that they were not
to cacti it from the opinions of witneffes. On the
grounds Rated. he thought thee reafuning queftions
were not admiflible.
Mr. WINDHAM thought that the tone and Ryle
of the Hots. and Learned Gentleman was not fn 'na-
da as it became Gentlemen to addrefa that Houfe
in. He could not but thank him for the tenure he
had given to the Houfe, and to his Hon. Friend (Dr.
Lawrence) in particular; but for hitnfelf, he thought
lee lhould not much profit by it. The Learned Gen-
tleman had Rated, that he had come from the Courts
below ; but he (Mr. Windham) thought he had for-
gotten the, and fancied himfilf in the Courts below
Rill. (A Laugh, am/ bear! bear Garrow had
foam in an elevated tone of voice, and with fame
irony.) The point on which they were at iffue was,
whether the rules of evidence in WetlminQer Hall,
were the rules which bound a Committee of that
Houfe ? He could not, however, conceive any thing
more oppofite than the principles of the two Courts.
Proceedings of inquiry were fo different front pro.
ceedings of judgment, that he would not trouble the
Houfe with an ohfervation on them. The technical

rules of courts of law were not binding upon that
• Houk. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had
done no credit to his . judgment, to (late that his
Learned Friend (Dr. Lawrence) had laid, that hole
and heart's y evidence was admithble. What had been
nelvancedhadnofopoi
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bearing.iAedtothe
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elition
which had been ptof
a fituaticn which the witnefs bad himfelt filled ; and
Purely his opinion was the bell which the Houfe could
idiot to for information. The Right Hon. Gentle-
man concluded with the obfervation, that the lad
Speaker was as new in his piefent fitUatkno as he was
bold and confident in that from which be came.
Dr. LAWRENCE fat& that the Honourable and
Learned Gentleman (Mr. Garrow) would find the
decifinn of Lord Ilardwicke, to which he hadalludcd,
explored on the trial of Lord Lovett, which he re-
commended him to read before he next came into the
Houte. That Learned Judge had laid, that a confl,i-
racy might be proved by hearfay evidence, althoutth
not a criminal charge ellablilked by it. The Houle
was not now fitting as a Court of Judicature ; but in
calie of an Impeachment, there would be another
pence:, after Managers, &c. had been appointed.
Mr. GA R ROW expreired his furprize at the foie-
' City of the lantuage which had been applied to him
by a Right Hon. Secretary (Mr. Windham). He
had Paid, that he Mould nor pewit by the !came which
he (Mr. °arrow) bad delivered tv—this was the fe•
cowl time he had ever addreifed that Houle, and if
he was deferaiug of a reboke,the leaure of the Right
iloneurable Gentleman would certainly be profi.able
to him ; and be could not but thank him fil• the
cogriefy sad kindoefs with which it had been given.
He erasion fencing with the argument of the Learned
Condition (Dr. Lawrence), bat would again de.
cidedly *web his convidios, that no hearfay evi-
dence could be legally received, to advance the con-
viSion of an man, f .r a contpimy or otherwife.
Mr. MARTIN (of Galway) tlo.ught the que!tion
was one extremely relevant and proper, as it was as
liable In lead to the jollification, as the condemnation,
of the Noble Defendant. He thought there was a
wide ilicerenee between the eflie the etpreffion of
an opinion would have on an illiterate Jury, in a
Court of law, and on an alfemblage of the Members
ot that Monk.
Mr. PAUI. laid, the queflion was necefrary to
tubttantiate an iinyortant charge of tyrannous cern-

daft on the ran of &terrible Wellerey. The pretence
.•f the R fidant, at I-fulcrum., was fo nbrioxious as to
induce ,he Vizier to abdicate his throne.

Sir WM. YOUNG thought that care ought to be
taken to prevent the privileges and praelices of the
Houle heirs* fuhverted by the rules of Courts of law.
Sir AR 1 HUR WELLESLEY thought the prac-
tice of the Courts, for the dircovery of truth, ought
to be adhered to.

Mr. ROSE laid, the Houk was much indebted to
an Honourable and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Gar.
row) for the information he had bellowed ; and en.
incided in the opinion of the Honourable Baronet
(Sir A. WellefLy).
Mr. FRANCIS And the CHANCELLOR of the
EXCHE(VER eonten led for the neceffity of not
fubmitting to the guidance of infetior ,Courts, and
thought the qneftion not improper.
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the
Honk was about to divide on the eptellion ; when
Mr. WILBERFORCE fuggeled, that it would be
better, if p, ffible, to put it in Inch a Iliape to the wit.
nets, as would leave the Houk to draw their condo.
Sons from the anfwer, and obviate the difference of
opinion in the Houk.
Mr. PAUL Paid, that the' eptellion was of im.
portance, and others of the like nature would often
occur.

A divifion was again about to take place, but the
oppofition was relinquifhed, and the Houfe agreed
that the queftion fhould be put.
The examination then proceeded.
To many of the interrogatories, Lord Telgamouth
anfwered by a reference to his Minutes; and in an.
fwer to tome quellions relative to the railing of the
contribution upon the Nabob, horn (even and a half
lacks, to feventy•fix lacks, and whether he did not
think that ftvn fufficient to defray the expellees of de-
fending the territory of Oude 1 he replied, that he
thought it fnfficient, bat by no mean, an exceilive
contribution. When the examination went on to about
half pall ten o'clock, the Chairman (Lord Folkfhuse)
informed the Noble Lord, that if he was fatigued, he
was at liberty to fit down. He then fisted, that the
Company was bound, as well by their own interefi,
as by treaty, to defend Oude again!t any enemy.—
The Company was alto bound to protea the Nabob
again() any rebellion ; but, when the treaty was
made, be did not forefee the probability of any tech
event. As to the introdua ion of troops into Oude in
time of profound peace, and at the expence of the
Nabob, the cafe never occurred; and he fhould not
have confidered hiinfelf jullified in doing fo. He
never knew the Nabob guilty of any aft of cruelty
or oppretlion, during the GM( period that he had any
peifonal knowledge of him ; and as to his general
charafter, he referred to what appeared in his mi-
nutes. On tome cpiellions being put relative to the
conarnaion of treaties—

Mr. STURGES BOURNE objefted to them, as
being the opinion of the Witners, not of a fa*, but
of conflriretions, which the Hoofs was itfelf capable
of making. Such an examination he thought so bel
a wafie of this time of the Houle.
Mr. PAUL thought hirrifelf jultified in queflion-
ing the Noble Lord as to the couaruaion of his own
treaty, which was conformable to precedent.
Mr. C. WYNNE thought the Houfe was Well
capable to judge of the conaration of I written pa-
per. Aftcr lime farther obfervarions, the examina-
tion was tefnmed upon the conftrudion of the treaty
of 1795. The demand of territorial earn in peace,
would, in the Witnefi's opinion, be a violation of the
taraty, except it was by way of fatuity for the pay-
ment of arrears. _

Mr. WALLACE requetted an adjournment car five minutes.
in order to precut an Ekelion Petition win* the return for
Wexford, which, by the orders of the Houfc, could not be received
after twelve o'clock.

Mr. FOX fuggefted whether. as it was already eleyea o'clock,
and no chance of concluding the tessellation to-night, It would
out be better for the Committee to adjourn till to-morrow
Mr. WALLACE (aid. he mould not detain them five minutes;',
after which, the Committee was adjourned for five minutes, and
leave given to the Chairman to fit again immediately.
Mr. WALI.ACE then prelrmed a petition from Mr. George
Davis. complaining of the elettion of Cater Cuklough. Erg. as
Knight of the Shire for the County of Wexford, on the ground
that he had not been refident in Ireland for many years.
The Petition was ordered to be taken into einfsderatioo on
Thurfday the 3d of July neat.
Ihr Committee was then refumed, and the examination pr*.
(COCCI.

Sir ARTHUR WELLESLEY crofs examined the Noble %Vit-
ae., and feveral Tuitions were alto put to him by Mr. MAR-
TIN, Mr. WALLACE, and fome other Members.
Dr LAWRENCE aced whether the Nabob was (shied to ha-
bitual twos's:M.lm, contrary to the predict of a good Maffithnanf
Mr. WALLACE objected to the quefUou, as papers to that
felted were denied upon his motion on a former day.
Dr. LAWRENCE thought it a proper Tuition. as others had
already been liked Weeding the Nabob's charader.
Sir A. WELLESI.EY alio objeCted to it, as this examination
would be primed, and give the fulojetts of that Prince bad im-
preffions ut his character.
Mr. JOHNS 1 ONE olaferved, that the natives of that tour try
did not take their imprelEons of charadter from any proceedings
in this country.
Mr. WELLESLEY POI.E objected to the quellion, but not
on account of the effects it would have on the cafe of the Noble
Marquis.
Aster font Nattier obfervations from Dr. Lawrence, Sir A.
Weliefley, Mr. Wallace. and Lord Archibald H.unikon'
Sir J. WROTTESLEY propofed to adjourn; but agreed to
defer it, merely for lc minutes, when he Ilsould move it again.
Sir JON WROTTESLEY renewed his motion for an ad-
journment.
Mr. ROSE requeßed that he would withdraw It, and Rated his
objeCtions to the queltion.
Sir JOHN acceded to the requeft.
The queftion was then put. whither the Noble Witnefe (tumid
anfwer ifee elocgido—u If the Nabob was hi habits of intoxic.dion,
contrary to the produce of a trim Mulfulman r
On the queftion being put, sod corned In the Mr:native, the
anfwer was, that he was in the habits of intoxication front fpin•
tuous liquors, but bad inch diferetion, that he (edam expelled
binefelf. He further dated, that the Mattometans valued tb.m.
(elves mote on their ullgioo than their morals. He dal oot know
of inch a maxim as let the children of Mote who ear turbans
be true to the wearers of turbans." but recolktted hating him-
(elf once eatanged hi, hat fee a turban with one of the natives.
After fame further examination, the Noble Lord was fettered to
withdraw.
Lord FOLKSTONE then moved," that the (miller confidera-
tiers of the matter be proceeded on in a Committee thia day.-
Earl TEmpui, walled to be inhumed hew twig the Honour-
able Gentleman (Mr. Paul) thought it might he. Wore he would
cowhide thcciaininatiou of the other Mused,' ?
Mr. PAM. anfwered, that he bad eight more witnetfes to ex-
amine ispou the prefent charge. and booed to get through them in
two &ye. With reined to the St rruhatiad charge, it was impos-
tilde fur him to proceed in it foe at katt three weeks or a month
Hetheretore alive " that the Order of the Day, tor taking the
Paid ch.trge tnt.,c.4•fickratt at on I Smuttily skit, be pottputicil to a
future Jay." which was aecordingly weed to.
Mr. tOX "hies 'ed. that there was .4her huaoefs of very great
inip..rtance yet to be deitiofed of, but it there was the kilt pro-
(pc...! of getting through the evidence on this hapset to or-
few or neat dig, kr had no objection. in the atiesice ut his Right
lion. Friend (Mr:Wiodhans.) to poittoce the reefed reading of
the dill, whi:h stood :Or this day. soul neat week, bat

then he hoped the !fotee would (uffer it to proceed to a Gavin. tee
without any further delay.
After funk 4cfultory converfation on the (Waled of meeting at
an early hour, for the purpofe of examining the Wstnelles alludes!
to, it was Teed, that the Speaker %mild take the Cita r a. knit
after three o clock to morrow, as pofhble, in order to difpofc of as
touch of the private and routine bufinefs before Itirc o'clock. as court
be got through; and that at that boor. the Hoek OP.uld refume
the &ether examination of Mulches, in preference ta cvay other
public bulinefs.
On motion of Mr. WfILLESLEY VOLE, the minutes of the
evidence were ordered to be printed After whkh the other orders
of the Jay were difpofed of. Adjourrted at One o'Cloek.