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London, England, 1831-10-11 00:00:00

Trelacel ? The law was there bearded. He feared that
the 110 results would arise here, if the people imagined
there could be no reform from the Parliament. Who was
Cny who talked of disregard of the resistance that might
arise ? They whq had succumbed to Ireland with Eng-
ia::d at their beck. (Cheers.) If there were a contest in
England, who were to back the opponents of reform?—
t anlaueel cheering.) They must govern by the sword or
oldie opinion—and public opinion was gone as far as the
egponeme of reform were gone —and of what use would be
the sword here row ? ( Immense cheering.) The haa gentle-
,. an said, that whatever means they might adopt, it was a
case that would admit of no delay. for even while they were
e liberating, there might be mischief dune irrevocable. The
.:ntry was in a state of imminent danger. The hon. mem.
concluded with expressing in fervent language a hope
0:74 the peace of the country might be preserved, and con-
juring the non. gentlemen, by all the early associations of
their youth, and all that was endearing to them as men, to
hs'en to the remonstrance of TCWOU, and support the resolu-
tiors.—(The hon. gentleman sat down amidst immense and
repeated cheering.)
Sir C. WETHERELL rev, and remained a considerable
time on his legs before he could obtain a hearing, occasioned
by the cheers fir the last speaker, mixed with cries of
'• places," and " liar, bar," and " order, order." The
learned baronet commenced with complimenting the hon.
gentleman who had just sat down on the eloquent language
that he bad used in his address to the house, and said, hav-
ing to succeed he consequently had sen under great
thsadvantages. lie slid the noble lord who had Het:dined
the :notion had spoken of the propriety of moderation,and had
admonished his friends to follow his example ; but he could
not subscribe wigs illustration of moderation,for he had never
hard a speech less calculated to set at rest agitation. (Cheers
from the Ogposithin.) He had never heard a speech uttered
within Om walls that was not only more likely to pro-
shire irritation. but unnecessarily to produce irritation—
(Chetre.) The hon. gentlman who had just sat down had
said he hoped that the Government would preserve the peace
of the country. He (Sir C. Wetherell) hoped so too. The
hon. gentleman had said that be hoped the Government
would preserve the constitution and the law, and be firm ;
but every word that he had uttered was calculated in a great
degree to eisaeminate irritation out of the house ; for every
word was addressed to the electors of mlsrule--(Cheers)
and calculated to promote that very civil convulsion which
he lied taken so much pains to depict as being what was to
feared—(lmmense cheering.) He had In peculiar terms
cleated to the Catholic Association for Ireland,which,hc said,
by its firmness and perseverance, bad ultimately been sue-
cessful.—(Cheent.) Now, what could he the moral of all
this but on this occasion a declaration that a similar associa-
tion would have a similar effect.—(Hear, hear.) The hon.
gent. had not reasoned to a conclusion, but he had said that
the tax-gatherer would be resisted he had not directly, but
he had indirectly recommended such resistance.—Cheers.)
The learned baronet then proceeded to pass some hitter ani-
madversiors on the press, and concluded his phillipic with
saying that the hon. gent. had told that press to proceed as
they had done hitherto.—(Cheers and great confusion.) The
hencurable member had also recommended the forcing into
the other House of twenty or thirty members, and he
would now ask bini if that was s constitutional measure,
to make an deep en interference in its deliberations. What
would he have said had the same measure been recom-
mended by the other House to be adopted towards the
!lime of Commons ?—(Cheers.) The learned ban. said he
could '.ot help it if his eloquence did not convince the lion.
house, but he was himself convinced of the unconstitutional
character of these proceedings. The hon. bast- then more
particularly alluded to the general effect of associations, and
adverted to the late events in France, where, he said, they
had elected a citizen King, but It yet remained to be decided
whether or not a citizen King, at the head of a set of dis-
utfect,d operatives, could carry on the government. (Hear.)
If this was to be a question of paying or not paying taxes;
he would like to hear an opinion on the subject from the
highest authority in the land. He (Sir C. Wetherell) was
satisfied that it was a gross conspiracy, the non-payment of
taxes, and he never could have contemplated that it would
have been recommended in that House. The learned be.
cone' indulged in some ironical remarks on the speech of the
Lord Chancellor, which lie said was already printed; and
was. being hawked about the country ; but he said he had no
objection to that—he had no objection that his Lordship's
speech should he printed and sold fo- a penny or a halfpenny
—(laughter from the Opposition)—he thought it should be
circulated through all England ; and in that speech he had
used the expressions—" Goo grant all may be tight ; but it
e ill depend upon one word. which word will be—pay no
taxes!" The learned baronet at great length upbraided the
Attoniey-General for not being more rigorous in the dis-
charge of his official authority, for there were a great many
publications, he said, that ought to have been taken no-
tice of; for however speeches might be received in the
House, they ought not to be allowed to have strength
added to them in their publication out of doors, with
additions. He violently reprobated the measure, which,
he said, bad been adopted to endeavour to im-
press upon them what they called the principles of the Re.
form Bill, and at great length he stated in general-'terms his
reasons why he should not support the principles of the re-
soiutions, because, be said, they were delusive. The learned
baronet produced and read front a pamphlet, which was a
printed letter, that he understood had been obtained surrep-
titiously from the S.cretary of the Lord Chancellor, and had
beep published, in which his lordship said that he would
'.ever consent to any system of disfeanchisement ; and while
the learned lord had thus at one time so thought, and had
subsequently thought fit to change his oeinion, he repro-
bated him for uphraidirg those whose opinions were differ-
ent now. The learned baronet next proceeded to allude to
eeches of the Noble Earl Grey, in which he had recom-
mended gradual reform, and contended, that the noble earl
had sine-, charged his sentiments for present purposes. The
learned gentleman went into s long detail of dierentious rea-
sons against the Bill.
Lord KIM NGTON rose to order. He complained that
the learned gentleman was indulging in criticisms of pam-
11ileti. Ad on what bad taken place in another house, which
was out of order.

The SPEAKER explained, and said that the learned gen-
tleman had no right to alludeto discussions that had taken
Ilse.: in the other house.
Sir C. APETHER ELL resumed with renewed anima&
vet %ion a or. Lord Brougham, who, he said, was Indus-
triously mating notoriety. He did not believe that the
noble lad (Lbrtegton) was asking them to support the re-
s,ltflons without the consent of ministers. He taunted the
ntitistry, as being a combination of sentiments fur cape-
df•tcy or convenience, because he said there were some of
the cabinet that had been combined with the late 31r.
Canno.g, Lu had been the avowed opponent of Refonn ;
but they had at this time melted down their consciences,
sod cow came forward to ask the honourable members in
the house to do the same fur the Reform Dill. He next
alluded. to the Acts passed by the present Government,
he particular the Coal Act, which he said he had been
armed would benefit every one but the poor consumer._
He reprobated their foreign policy, and said they had
behaved as it we had no foreign relations, and they had
thrown Portugal into the herds of France. He was bound
to oppose the ministers, because be bad no confidence in
sham, for they had endeavoured to accomplish their purposes
by chicanery. He thought, after what had taken place,
that the tesolutions were quite unnecessary. If they meant
to renea tt.e reform bill, why did they not renew it, and
avow it at ot,ce ? (Sonic remarks front -nembers near.)_
The hoe. member tor 3liddlesex had Raid, 6 he hoped they
would.' (Hear, hear.) If such was their intention, the re.
so:utions were unnecessary, and he would not support them.
Ti.e Isatmai gentleman sat down, but was not cheered even
by his own party.
Mr. SH lEL rose for the purpose of supporting the mo-
tion ; nut from the confusion arising from Alembers coming
and goaut out, ar.d the House being unusually full, it
was with lifieuky he could be heard. After noticing the
opposition that the original Bill had been exposed to, he
allin!ed to the attempts that had been made to win their
party over to the opposition principles, and the hopes they
had indistinctly held out; but he asked them how they could
imagine or exinet Reform to be withdrawn from its natural
part us, iusd be entrusted to those who would strangle it in its
cradle. Ile said that the history, and some part of the bio-
graphy. of Toryism might he comprehended in the word cot.
noptian. Ihr learned gevt. gave a brief history of the pro-
gress of polttie.l power, and made some pointed allusions
in he administration of one whom, he said, had been desig.
noted the Gigot Captain. (Hear.) He alluded also to
Doke stunts that had been sent abroad that the King was
not sincere, and at some length recounted the circumstances
ono:dots ti.e late dissolution of parliament, when he said
the K og had come down to the house to vindicate the rights
.1; I is ;ample, who had adopted a different mode subsequently
It,, ii wont they had been accustomed to do in selecting their
representauves. The result of their message to the other
House ass already sufficiently known. The Lords had done
that which' he hoped they would never have cause to regret.
'they bed rejected the measure, and it was rather remark.
able, diet all the opposition which bad been set up against