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called for by every principle of policy. It has al.
ways been my opinion that Malta mull be under
the proteCtion of England or France, and it is de-,
cidedly my opinion that it is efl'ential to our be3l,
interelts to hold it now as a port for our navy. ,
in Europe the profpca is fo dircouraiging, is theta
any contblation to be derived from the Well 'ore
Eat} Indies ? Certainly not. We have every rek
fon to apprehend dangerous cOnfequences to our
Colonies, particularly Jamaica, from the force in
St. Domingo, which, notwithltanding its difeafe
and other fufferings, is ftiaforridable ; and that
danger is aggravated, from a confideration of the
force at Loutfiana, and the recent ceilion of Mar-
tinique--a ceflion ma extremely impolitic, and
rather furprifing, if the report is genuine, which
is univerfally believed, that fume ume before the
meeting of Parliament, Nlittilters fent out orders
to retain all the fettlements which were not ac-
tually furrendered. If fn, it is of moment to af:
certain whether Miniftcrs, at the time they were
calling for so,ooo feamcn, in the app'rehention of
war, were jultified in giving up the key of the
French ,Hands. Wherever we turn our eyes, we
Inuit fee the progretlive aggrandiftment of France.
She is, I underftand, immediately to take potter-
lion of Cochin, in the Eati Indies, a place of no
commerce—which can afford no attraCtion in that
way. Then the only ufe it can be, and doubilefsl
the only view with which it can be taken hold of
by France, is, that it is a titan; place, and will
afford opportunities of negociaung with the na
live powers. trom this circurnftance, and from the
language generally held by the trench newfpaper4
I can have no doubt of the difpofition of France to
interfere for what, in their ufual cant, they term
the happinefs of India. /n fuel) a (late of our affairs
in every quarter of the world, I will a*, can the
Houfe confirm the refolution of the Committee of
Supply, without fome explanation from Minitlers
whether we are to be at war or peace ? If the
Right Hon. gentleman will (hew a necellrty for
this force, no rational Englithman can object to
the vote ; but perhaps that neceffity may appear to
demand a Ilia larger force ; and I confcfs that I,
for one, (hould not will to fee a Icier; but I would
defire to know bow Minifters mean to apply it,
what is to be their general ufe, &c.—[4/wile se
Ike Traffig liesteLl—Mr. Grenville noticed it :
Gentlemen may imile, (u poling that I want to
know the deitination 'of this Coke, but I cannot
look for any intelligence to improper. My objea
is to know the Asians—the mind with which this
force is to be employed. Is it to make war ? Is
it to enable Minders to (peak with weight, autho-
iity, and effea in the alfairs of Europe ? They
have bad 70,000 (eamen at their fervice, and yet
that number did not encourage them to interfere
on the Continent with weight, authority, or eff;a.
'this experience forbids the hope that any force
can communicate a firm and manly charaaer to
Lech an Adminiftration. Perhaps they want this
!orce, in order that it may lie (Lill at home, wait=
mg for the enemy to find it out. I fiiould bee happy
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10 receive a fatislaaory extictri iron) the Right
Hon. Gentleman. If he-dcilines any, I hope the
}loufe will decline to adopt his propofition, and
Ipkilge mytelf to move for its re-commiitai."
The CHANCELLOR of the Egcu mg sa—" I truft
the Houfe will do me the juaice to believe, that
Ido not rife, in confequence 4 the menace with
Which the Right Hon. Gentleman has concluded,
to fupport a propofition which is founded on the
recommendation of his Majefty's Spewh. The
Right lion. Gentleman has charged Mini tiers with
a ddpofition to treat the Houk with difrefpea,
but I have no doubt that furl a charge will meet
the fate of fimilar charges from the fame Bench.
If there was any criminality in the filence which
prevailed in the Committee yefterday, that Right
Hon. Gentleman who complains of 'it, was himielf
an auediory—for be was prefent, aod never At-
tempted to diftarb that filence, to avert the dif-
grace which, in his apprehenfion, it mid attach
to this Houk. Alter the confident expeaations
of fecurity which his Majeny'i Speech was calcu-
lated to excite, was not the propofition of a confi-
double force naturally to be expected. Such was
the objet` of the Speech, fuch its legitimate mean-
ing, and fuch, according to the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman's own ftatement the country looked for.
But the Right Hon. Gentleman and his friends
vary their charges to frequently, that one is fcarce-
ly heard, when it is deftroyed by another. Some
time fince it was argued that a large eflablithment
in the navy and army was indifpenfibly neceffary, I
and it was afferted that Mincers had molt im-
providently reduced the public force, though in
point of faa the navy now aaually retained ex-
ceeded that in the fira year of the laft war, as
in June 1793, the_ Houfe voted only 45,000
feamen, but Gentlemen in their ardent anxiety to
abufe, could not {lop to examine facts. The Right
Hon. Gentleman could not complain of watt of
fufficient time to examine the Eftimates. They
were fome days on the Table, and due notice was
Riven of the day the Refolution he now objects to
was to be propofed. Dut the Right Hon. Gentle.
man is highly difcontented that his objeCtions were
not advanced one day foorier, and he vents his
anger upon Ministers. I did expect the Right
Hon. Gentleman's fpeech );efterday. I looked for
fume queltioni from liiinfell or his friends, and
was fully ready to anfwer them I was perfectly
prepared to enter into the difcutlion. I appeal to
the Houle whether Ministers have, upon any oc-
cation, indicated the leatt with to evade the invef-
tigation of any meafure they propofed, or to give
the moil (atisfaaory explanation ? Did Gentle-
men mean to fupport this propofition—that Mini-
(lens lull fight of their duty, becaufe they declined
to enter into the explanation of a nece&y which
all ma admitted, and which they themfelves were
particularly anxious to dilate upon, and too often
forward to exaggerate ? Could fuch ferioufly be
their idea—that it would be excufable to trefpafs
on the Huufe of Commons by a differtation 6n
the Rate of Europe, in order to prove that which
was obvioufly right and proper, namely—that we
fhould provide for our own defence ? Indeed, the
chief doubt of the Right Gentleman teemed
to be, whether - na, - 'nr• be
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pore requires no juAlfixation, to them, it lest.,
With refplit to the R4IM Hon. Gentleman's
fion to the pdaie of 1783, though his .Majeity's,
Speech of that day fptaks confidently of peace, yet
i 6,000 feamen %hire voted for the navy. [Elecito
Mr. Addington detailed the different. A miga*
made in the afnount of the army and navy, (root
the figning of the preliminaries to the conclurialt
of the definitive treaty iii - 1783, and added] I
contend that thefe reduCtions, comparing the dif-
ference of the twneperiods, as to the relative Rate _
of England, were made upon the fame principles
or policy. I troll it_ ill never be maintained by
impartial men that the preterit Government have
thewn any want of proper &Inners or attention,.,
or becaufe they were not difpofed to give way to
a too precipitate fenfe of danger, they should be
thought too credulous in the pacific defigns of
France. The grounds on which the Right Hon.
Gentleman oppofes the prefent vote, are rather fin-
gular, confidering his frequently expreffed defire to
keep up a ltrong,defenlive force. Such is alto the
define and purpote of Government, any reduction
would be thought unadvifable for fome time, and
in a few days my Right Hon. Friend (the Secre-
tary at War) will fubmit a propofiticin to the
Houfe for a larger eitablifhment for the army than
teems to be in the contemplation of Come Gentle-
men—an eltablifhrnent beyond any thing ever
known in time of peace. I am not difpofed to
fltrink from the declaration, that in the prefent
fituation of Europe fuch an Eflablithmeut is ne-
ceffary—that it is necifrary to maintain a thong
dcfenfive fyftem. Does the Right Hon. Gentle-
man fuppofe that I would recommend an implicit
reliance on the peaceful inclinations of France ?
My opinion is, as it has ever !leen, that we (ball
belt confult our fafety by providing for our defence,
that our heft fecurity will confift in the conrciour-
nets of our ftrength. On that principle I have
at-led, and with that view I propofed this vote, an
explanation of which, the Right Hon. Gentleman
lays, (hould be forced from us. I hope the Houle
will bear teftitnony that no force has been found
neceffary to obtain any information required .by
the Houfe from his Maje.fly's Witter!. The Right
Hon. Gentleman delands an explanation; yet; as,
upon his own admi 'Son, more thould not be TOptio
utiles for war, aqd hi would not with for lets; it
follows that fo,ooo men are juft enough in Mims:
ception. With regard to the manner in which this
number of feamen is to be engaged, tbcg to re-
mark that our fleet in the Well Indies, which mull
be occationally relieved, and which could not pru-
dently forfo_tne time be reduced, will require a great
proportion of this force ; but I with to rest the
tuftification of this vote on a broader principle-r
the opinion of esPediency, the propriety of adopt-
ing defenfive meafures on Inch a ecale, as to be
prepared for any emergency, and to afford the
country the faire, profpe&t of the permanency of
peace. I leave no objeition to follow the Right
Hon. Gentleman in his review of the Rate of .Eu-
rope. In the firti Rep, however, as to Feted-
burgh, the Right Hon. Gentleman will pardon
me, if I decline to give him any precifeiffsier on
that flibjea ; I (hall give no potitive contridiCtion
to what he has' Rated ; but I will fay that. the
Right Hon. Gentler°. an ought to have confidered
and enquired a little farther before he hazarded a
pofitive affirtion, which muff be beard from hint
with furprife and regret. The Right Hon. Gen-
tleman has mifconceived the statement of my No-
ble Friend, on a former day, retpeding the vic-
tory off Copenhagen. He did not fay, as the Right
Hon. Gentleman defcribed, " that that viEtory
created the difficulties of the negociation with the
Northern Confederacy," but," that even after that
viOory, which never was furpaffed in (kill or bra-
very, or the havPinefs of its confequeices, many
difficulties remained to be adjulled—that that vic-
tory did not get rid of the difficulties," fuch were
the words really uttered by my Noble Friend.—
The Right Hon. Gentleman has adverted to' the
aCtivity of the Dutch to recruit their navy, and is
that a matter of wonder, that a power which, at
one period of the war.-muttered a retpeetable fleet,
and which, at the termination of the war, only
retained t 6, should bb anxious to repair her fleets?
Though the encreafe of every fleet likely at any
period to be employed againft us may be rubjeCt
of lamentation, yet it formed no ground of com-
plaint againft tinifters, %inlets that degree of ex-
ertion in foreign powers thobld be met by fupine-
nets on our part ; but was that the cafe ? Could
any loch imputation attach ? I feel confident that
it cannot. The Right Hon. Gentleman was in
error when he Rated, that the navy of France and ,
the navy of Europe were fyponimous terms. He 1
certainly was not juftified in conneeting the navies
of Ruffia, Sweden, and Denmark, with that .of
france. I admit that recent experience and pre •
Cent appearances naturally induce the belief, that
thofe of Spain and Holland are intimately attached 1
to France ; but whatever be their force, connec- 1
tion, or activity, arc we unable or unprepared to
meet them combined? Have Minifters negleeled
their duty fo far as to omit any exertion to efta:
blifh and to maintain our fiiperiority ? No. For
the intuit to the Britilh officer, in the port of Lit-
bon, to which the Right Hon. Gentleman has al-
bided, the molt ample and complete fatisfaCtion
v...as readily given ; the perfons who ofikred that
intuit were immediately imprifoned and punned.
No difinclination was (hewn on the part of the For-
tuguefe Government to make the Follett atonement
to the honour of the Britifh officer ; and in proof
that the atonement was deemed fufficient, no
complaint has been fince made. In farther cur-
roboration of the fuperiority of oqr fleet to any
that is ready to fail from the ports of the combined
powers. I have to Rate, in contradielion to ru-
mours ciiculated by fome from ignorance, by
others from fear, and by others perhaps from
worfe motives, that Admiral Bickerton, who at
prefent commands ten fail of the line in the Medi-
terranean, writes home that there arc only five fail
of the line ready for lea in the port of Toulon ;
from which reports have for fome time anted, that
a confiderable fleet was about to be difpatched.—
The Admiral alto Rated, that a (till inferior force
appeared in the harbour of Carthagena-fo much
for our hanky in the Mediterranean. Now I beg
of the Right Hon. Gentle-

would guarantee the independente of MaltaA only
%%tut It was fo expeded. .14fie kleightliOnw,
m*n has taken, a view of our extetitul den-,
i'n7 internal Ilrength ; I (hall fojhxw'liim
fit I will be more minute, and I hop; pinteXatit:
&iftiiry to the Houk, in !fly 'lean. The fleersof
France, Spain, kind Holland. Rood thus at.the.be.
-ginning of the war :—France toe fail of the lines.
-Spain 79, and Holland 27. What was the :edit"
of the,war, which covered this country with 10
much.glOry ? Why, that thore fleets. which emir
`fitted of zoo fait of the line at the beginning .of
War, were reduced to 12.0, and a Orp*AtivelYi
greater reflation or* place among; their frigates'
and (mall craft. What encreafe there Powers.may
have fence made in their naval force, by buildiqg
new (hips, I am not, prepared to fay ; but their
*dual Rate at the conclation of the war was what
I have Rated. France 39, Spain 68, and Holland
t 6. What addition can there have been made, by
building new (hips, to Inch a force, to excite the
flighteß alarm in the breaft of in gugliihman,
when I Rate that we have at prefent 192 fail of,
the line, 209 frigates, Iz9 Hoops, and 243 fmaller
craft, in all feven hunctrecloind recency-three (hips of
war? With an excels then,of 6o fail of the line,above
the combined fleets Of France, Spain, and Holland,
what have we to fear, and what apprehenfion can
be felt for our fafety, when it is known that by the
prudent and wife conduit of the firft Lord of the A-
dmiralty, fuch arrangernents are made, that in cafe
of the, renewal of hoftilities, fifty fail of the line
can be prepared for tea, within one month, and
even a larger number, Mould the exigency be
preffing ? , Thus are we fitnated, ready for any
event. Whether this (late of preparation proves
inertnefs, inactivity, and lethargic torpor, proves
that want of vigour and energy on the part of
Adminiftrition, which the Right Hon. Gentleman
and his • friends would attribute to them, I (hall
leave. it to the Untie and the country to deter-
mine; and whether. theyeleferve the foul, oppro-
brious epithets, and the falfe accufations which are
frequently pointed at thein: ft is our fincere with
and refolutton to maintain peace ; but if the ho-
nour of the country (Mould be wounded, or its le.;
ttirity endangered, it is 'our duty and our deter-
Mination to be in a Rate to meet the enemy with
firmnefs. This is the animus with which we de-
mand this vote, and that the purpofe to which we
fhall, if necefrary, apply it. Is that a fatisfadory
anfwer to the right Honourable Gentleman's qua.-
tion ? We than be prepared to meet war if una-
rvoidable ; and we (hall meet it without apprehen-
lion. Our idea of the neceffity for precaution, and
for this vote, doei not arife out of the exaggerated
`accounts of danger with whiCh the Right Ron.
Gentleman and, his Friends have fo, long agitated
the public, nor from fuch views of the country as
are only calculated to terrify and difmay, but from
afober, pit, and attentive contideration of all the
circumttauces of .Europe. I recoiled that ./ did
fay in reply to a Gentleman on the other.fide of
the Houfe, that the peace eftablifliment would
confift of about 30,000 feamen, but I recollea al-
fo, that I Paid fo, with fuch referve and qualifica-
; tion, as any man incapable of feeing into futurity
ought to have dope. r hope that this eftablilh-
ment I now propofe will not long,exitt. I (hould
fbe lorry to confider it the permanent peace ella-
bliflunent. When the circumilances of Europe
flail render it proper to reduce our force to the
man economic Randard, I (hall feel mot fincere-
ly happy, but the arrival of that period, and the
feeurity of peace, will depend much on the acqui-
efcence of the Houfe in this vote. Having Rated
fo much as to the grounds of this propolition, I
hope I have given full fatisfadion to the Right
Honourable Gentleman and hii Friends. Such I
aline them is my witiv; but lea they &could fup-
'pofe that the force propofed is with any view to a
war ellablifhment ; or tend to put the country in
that Rate from which they were'fo unwilling to
have it releafcci, or that the expence being fo con-
fiderable2 Parliament and the Country might the
more eafily be perfuaded to accede to the renewal
of hollilities, I beg to undeceive, them • for gar
only objedt is to be enabled, on any fodien emer-
gency, to put forth fuch a fleet as might be fuffi-
cent to avert all danger ; to thew our power and
Might, ifniceffarysand to IEO4 that power on filch
a &lid fouudation as IhOuld never be fhaken. I
feel, that I owe an apology to the Houle for fo
long trefpaffing on their time, to define a necelfity
which feemed-to be generally admitted, and to
advocate a propofition which teemed to be gene-
rally called for ; but the Right Honourable Gen-
tleman has endeavoured to impute a motive to my
actions Which I riper 'entertained, Which, like
other imputations 4.901 the faille quarter, I hope
the Hoare veil; bear Me out in laying, had no pre-
tentious to jutlice, had no foundation in fad."
Mr. T. Gun vit.i.a and the CHANCELLOR' of the
gscHimyti wytuau, cFp)piged.
Sir SIDNEY SMITS, in his maiden fpeech, ex-
preffed his cordial approbation of the propofition
now before the Hoare, nor could there, in his
opinion, be a dilferfnte of fentitnent.refpeding the
expedieocy of keeping up Atilt an ellablifinnent as
would afford us the means of ading with energy
and effed as circumliances might teem to require.
—There were one or two points, hoWever, on
which he begged leave to make a few obfervations.
When votes were palled for keeping up a ftrong
naval force, he trufled that the dock-yards would
be kept on a refpedable footing. It had come to
his knowledge, from 'his particular connexion
with the city he had the honour- of reprefenting,
that a very confiderable number of individuals had
been placed in circumftances of great dithers, in
consequence of their difiniffal from the fituittion.ti
in which they formerly Lupported themfelves and
their families with comfort. When he refleded
on the high charader and eminent Cervices of the
Noble Lord, who prefided with fo much ability
over the naval department, when he confidered
his well-known benevolence, when he turned his
attention to the numbers of dißreiled reamen who
were relieved by his Lordfhip's private bounty, be
could not for a moment allow himfelf to think,
that any thing like injutlice to individuals would
have been pradifed, from a deficiency in the al-
lowance provided by.the public for the fiipport of
his very important. lkaacJi - *1- femice• He

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wcarpseia4 in the nesi:lbeurst.molrte
and in the confidence that it would r
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,eonfequence that thole employeda point
.yatds, illould not be forced e t"e 1)"(
enter into the fervice of oth-r)y.,,,xt.reme
I ers. it v:.
firm conviction that there were
few tvio
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induced to enter into the fervice '
rival ; and nothing but ilern nec rr_y of Our
7r4i4
eoC(A?I'
compel them to take a fie • • • • • .."'
p agama.wot • , r
tivgswe.r.c fo powerful. He had received
roux applications on this fubjed, .but
i.
for I
kmY APAvered• that het he LAI
was refolved 119- t I„,ie
the reprefentatiye of thofe who done
.had
. honour to Idea him, in the . Anti-Chambers Ali.
'lifters, or
,in the Halls of Office, but uh'ts
an opportunity of bringing the firb'e linuo.4ll,ld oke
r Cr.
fideration in his place as a. Member of that 1-h)w.
This he had now done, and he
hoped fb.
would be attended to. On the I's
general fabie
before the Houfe, he not only J-, now
eprec tied An: • A
du Lion of the number of feamen to be
but was ftrongly inclined to think e,Y!e
it 1()
d)
hardly adequate to the circumftances in that
w
which .1
country was placed. It ought ,;e
to be rec
by the Houfe that a military force could ('lle6e4
into motion in this country in a moment,not
(LI
on
the Continent, -which had for, fo many I cae,,s
formed into a great camp for war. hi: 1)r- been
of humanity, he -hoped that fpeculatt: e
would not ;be renewed ; but that if unfortunately've'7
hoftilities fhould become unavoidable, wola
not be forced into it without adequate• • rt.e.f °ul-
- was, therefore, the decided friend of fuch aseflabliffirnent as would enable Miniilers to h
Inch a language as might contributebell to the
prefervation of peace,, and he h:tc
no doubt that
this objet would be belt attained, ibt:'hit'le ' the
language' was which Minifters were eliabiera-
to
hold out to the French Government. There
was
with him an additional realm for wilting that
the number of- feamen to be kept up fh,,Uld ra.s
alter be encreafed than diminithed• It was drawn
from the vaft numbers of diareffed feamen who
in every quarter, were to be found. The. Houfe
would - recoiled that none but le-bodied le
a-
men were employed in the merchant fervice._
The confequence was, that the other defcriptionsof
feamen were thrown wholly out of employment,
and left to the precarious charity of the• public, or
to the very inadequate provifion which national
liberality affigned them. Was a f 'um not exceeding
fever) pounds a year any thing like an adequate
provifion for men who had ha a limb, or an eye,
in the fervice of their country ? Was it an adequate
remuneration to thofe who generoufly gave up
every thing for the fafety of their fellow citizens
He was convinced every one prefent was fenfibk
of its inadequacy. Greenwich holpital, though a
grand monument of national beneficence, was not
, fulitclently comprehenfive in the objets which it
embraced, and even if it were extended, it was a
queftion• which admitted a good deal of doubt,
whetheramantion for difabled feamen migh
tnot be
formed which-might be more beneficial to the id-
fereig, and attended with lefs expence to the public.
Inflead of difmiffing them to their homes with fuch
an inadequate provifion after all the long toils and
perils of war, and indignant at thofe whom they
accufed of with-holding a more liberal remunera-
tion, every didate of policy flaw:fled that they
fhould quit the fervice impreffed. with gratitude
for the ample provifion made for them by their
country, and ready on the first call of danger again
to embark in its fervice. It was not befitting the
liberality of a great nation to be niggardly of re-
wards to its brave defenders. It was plain that in
the profpea of war nothing was of fuch conk-
, quence as that our navy fhould be promptly equip-
ped, and nothing could fo effeetually promote this
objet as attaching the feamen to the fervice by
gratitude. He took it for granted, however, when
he raid this, that war was not lboked to either in
this country. or in France. Militat y men here, as
in. France, were anxious for a refpite from the hor-
rors of war, not from any felfifh motives, but from
a feeling of companion for thole brave men who
might fill in any new contefl. To feel companion
for human diftrefs, occafioned by war, was the in.
feparable attribute .of true courage ; and, to the
braveit fpirits, vidories were frequently painful.
That there might, however, be a probability for
the continuance ofpeace, it was above all things
efrOtial that we.fhould have the means of freLfily
equipping our navy.. I-le was inclined to believe
that there exifled .on the. part of the French Go.
vernment a defire to fireferve the peace, and he WAS
faire that if faith a difpos fiiion did exiit, it would be
materially firengthened by a formidable navy on
the part of this country. Changes of Government
in France were, however, fudden and unexpeeled.
He had himfelf had the misfortune to be present
at two of thefe explofions, and in France they were
confidsred as mere matters of courfe. They were
like the mere decorations of a Theatre, which ex-
cited no fort of uncommon emotion. Oa one Lf
thefe occafions he had obferved fe veral of the tinu.
keys `adive in preparing lodgings for new pii:o•
ners, who were hourly expeCted. They male
nu
fecret of the light in which they viewed arras
either of the Governor or the Governed. Td
enquiries relpeding the cattle of fuch prepar.:t!.;
their anfwer was, that there had•been high words
in the Councils, and that new tenants for {foie
lodgings might arrive that night. rieir
were juft, for the fame night, he believed, fcr•!L
Members of the Councils actually. took
abode in prifon. The period to which he ail ''ha
was the period which was avled tha tits: FILO'
dor in the fitvourite French gibberith. With •.11',
utmoft compolure, the inftruments orthe wok
dreadful enormities walked about with their hange,rs,
ready for fume new, arrocitr; and delibcratc,
conibled themfelves, that in this traged v they Mere
only aCtots,ijot nianagers, nor even authors. Wt.::
the perfons then governing France, a fobjea. .1_
a&ing was never twitting. Julius Cxfar mllct
have been introduced, but numerous other gr-1,.
fubje&s were untouched. Conaantinople
Tippoo Saib might be introduced with great feel la
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old arta piece, which was fore at all times to
received with favour, and that was no otheri.tlii
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Ipledge my(elf to move for its re-committal." to what he b
I The CHANCILLOR of the Ezell EQ2 ga,—" I trait Right Hon. G
k. the Houfe will do me the juftice to believe, that and enquired s
Ido not rife, in confequence of the menace with putative affirtii
which the Right Hon. Gentleman has concluded, with furprife a
to fupport a propofition which is founded on the tleman has mil
recommendation of his Makfty's Swich. The ble Friend, on
Righe Hon. Gentleman has charged ldinifters with tory off Copen
p difpofltion to treat the Houfe with difrefpea, Hon. Gentle=
but I have no doubt that furl a charge will meet created the cliff
the fate of &oiler charges from the fame Bench. Northern Cony
If there was any criminality in the thence which viaory, which
prevailed in the Committee yefterday, that Right very, or the h
Hon. Gentleman who complains of 'it, was himfelf difficulties ren
an accefory—for be was prefent, and never 'at- tory did not g
f tempted to difterb that filence, to avert the dif- the words real
grace which, in his apprehettfion, it liuft attach The Right NI
to this Route. After the confident expeaatione afkivity of the
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of fecurity which his Majefty'S Speech was calcu- that a matter
1 1 lated to excite, was not the propofition of a confi- one period of I
' derable force naturally to be expeaed. Such was and which, at
the objedt• of the Speech, fuch its lejitimate mean- retained i 6, A
ing, and fuch, according to the Right Hon. Gen- Though the c
. tit tleman's own ftatement, the country looked for. period to be ei
f i But the Right Hon. Gentleman and his friends of lamentation
, vary their charges fo frequently, that one is three- plaint againft
ly heard, when it is dettroyed by another. Some ertion in foreii
, •• time fence it was argued that a large eftabliftiment nets on our pa
. in the navy and army was indifpenfillly neceffary, I any fuch tempt
and it was afterted that Minifters had mot! im- lit cannot. T
providently reduced the public force, though in ;error when he
point of fait the navy now aaually retained ex- the navy of E
ceeded that in the fira year of the lift war, as certainly was
in June 1793, the_ Houfe voted only 45,000 of Rutfia, Sv
icemen, but Gentlemen in their ardent anxiety to trance. I ac'
elide could not flop to examine fails. The Right Cent appearanl
Hon? Gentleman could not complain of watt of thofe of Spain
t I
, fufficient time to examine the Eftimates. They to France; b
were Come days on the Table, and due notice was Lion, or aaivi
' given of the day the Refolution he now obje!is to meet them co
was to be propolid. But the Right Non. Gentle- their duty fo
man is highly difcontented that his objeaions were blifh an to n
not advanced one day boner, and he vents his the infult to t
anger. upon Ministers. I did expea the Right bon, to which
Bon. Gentleman's fpeech Yefterday. I looked for hided, the It
fume queftions from liimfelf or his friends, and v. as readily g
was fully ready to anfwer them. I was perfealy infult were ii
prepared to enter into the difcutlion. I appeal to No ditinclinai
the I ioufe whether Ministers have, upon any oc- tuguefeGove
cation, indicated the leaft with to evade the invef- to the honour
ligation of any meafure they propofed, or to give that the ate
time molt fatisfaftory explanation ? Did Gentle- complaint hi
men mean to fupport this propofition—that Mini- roboration of
Ilers loft fight of their duty, becaufe they declined that is ready
I
i to enter into the explanation of a necvay which powers, I 11
all noes admitted, and which they themfelves were moors cit cu'
particularly anxious to dilate upon, and too often others from '1
forward to exaggerate ? Could fuel) ferioutly be worfe motive
1 : their idea—that it would be excufable to trefpafs prefent comr
,N . on the Houle of Commons by a differtation 6n terranean, wl
11 the Rate of Europe, in order to prove that which of the line re
was obvioutly riht and proper, namely—that we from which i
thould provide for our own defence ? Indeed, the a confiderabl
chief doubt of the Right • .. Gentleman fecund The Admirs
• to be, whether aur na a !.ould 'n•t be appeared in
• , elfe w.,. . .. '.. -al • r . i e for our fecal
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mild not eica,,, ' ' millions 1 :.e
s a point of ilf,,,iie undertak
led in any p;wt , f that fuck
)ccially in die I).,t' Ltd"' ai( , extreme di:treilbe thou-
Powers. It v:;islit /hood lu
e few who cou:d be try. If o
-vice of our zr4i,d jrnejlts "4
lecefre_y con:t entertain
:iiii(Ltvhich th:!,1). ti le and
lad received ;. A, which, c
ell:, .but he IL:LI ,:ii, coaa. to
s refolved Writ tc, it hate Wit
o .had done ilia, the ports of
1111-Charlll)Cts oi.Nli. apprehet
ice, but would tike bouts, f
e fitbjecl nndor ery. of fudde
tuber of that How:, there W'
it hoped the lubjc than 18
general fubjed 1147 without
r deprecated am !e_ and the
len to be empi„yci, leave thi
I think that it whs teed 11'1
'fiances in which the invafion
it to be reeolleaed dreaded
force could not Ran France 1
in a moment, as on Mores 0
.ru many years tietri were nil
r war. For the 'salt ence wh
t a fpeculative 1,.. Dt......h ,