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peal until his motion was disposed of, wi irh w. 1,11 lie as
soon a* he conveniently could.
It-.WI LIES considered that, by withholding the writ,
they were punishing not only Liverpool, hut the whnle
country. (Hear.) The hoops should recolleet that Liver.
t•••ol would be now represented. had Mr. Dennison nor been
riectul for Nottinghamshire. He contended that the house
was deviating from the prinelrles of the empgitittion hv
withholding the writ from Liverpool on this occasion. If
the WTI, was moved for, he would support It.
lir VERNON was of opinion that the discussion of
t.och subjects in the house, was not prodoctive of much
.-ood. Those who were guilty of bribery shoold be legally
noni.hed. He did not see why the motion of the member
for IViltshire should not be discussed as well after the ism-
of the writ. as before It was ton much for one member
stm,i rn all the Meal interests of Liverpool.
Mr. W A SON won't] oppose the issuing of the writ, after
'h.• tiivisisn to which the House bad come on this BUNCO on
nee Minn.
Mr. 1):1V ISO N would not enter into a discussion of the
''thioct now, as It was altrecd on Saturday last not to diseion,
pe l''Aflß at !elleth ; but he was of opinion that a new writ
•hont:l he issmd for Liverpool.
Sir G. CLPRK agreed with the member for Boston that
no unneeestary delay should take place In the issuing of the
writ. There was a distinction between this case and that of
Doidin, for the instances of bribery in the latter were few.
whereas it was proved that an extensive system of corruption
had prevalct a' Liverpool. at several previous elections.
He did not feel sure that, if there was a new election at
Liverpool now, the same system of bribery which had been
Practised nn a former occasion, would not he resorted to.
It was therefore expedient that the new writ should not
he issued until the motion of the member for Wiltshire was
dist:tired of.
Mr. O'CONNELL could not help observing that the
Member for Wiltshire would take a great responsibility on
himself, if he delayed the Reform Bill by bringing forward
his motion; and he did not think that the Reform Bill
could he got rid of before •even or eight weeks. Then fol.
lowed the Irish Bill and the Scotch Bill. This latter was
some cause of some opposition to the writ for -J.SerpOol, for
if the Scotch Bill passed, no more plates or pension. mild
he procured through superiorities. (Laughter.) Such was
the anxiety for Reform on his side of the house, that thy
did not allow a single &sure to pass, without turning and
shit'ting various ways. (Laughter.)
Mr. VMART complained of the Inconvenience which
film the suspension of the writ.
lord STANLEY nee. r knew of a writ being suspended
..f,er the dissolution of Parliament, for anything which had
r k n place previous to the dissolution.
't lie petition was laid on the table.
Sir R. INC& 1.15 presented a petition from Edmonton,
c•tomlaininq of the beer houses under the new Beer Act.
tics STII ICK LA ND considered this perbion less objec-
tionabie than other petitions on the subject. as it prayed
role for a more strict police. At the same time, he must say
'Ow the 101 had not a sufficient trial. He thought that
mitre houssi wire opened than would pay, and consequently
Oro rile evil complained of must diminish before long.

After a few words tram Mr Torvoa,
Mr. I !UM 13 had several petbions sent to him in favour of
thus, houses, but he told the petitioners that there was no oc-
casion to petition for this house would not act we absurdly
as to repel a bill which permitted the sale of beer, on &c-
-ement of its immoral tendency, when the magistrates had
power to license as many eia-shops as they rleased.
Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from certain per.
ese.s in Staffordshire. cotnplainin4 of having been impri-
!WV ed 18 mreetha for poaching at night.
Mr. LITT LTTON observed, that those men had
'snacked some of Ins men on the **caution in question, and
everely injured them. Ile thought the petitioners had been
hseiently dealt with in not having been indicted under Lord
Ellytehomuele's
Mr. O'CONNELL perverted a petition from an indivi-
dual named S'eaw, complaining of not being allowed to have
an attorney to defend him in a prosecution before some ma-
pi.eva'es in Stafren'shire, for an alleged violation of the name
laws. The ben. member presented a petition from Undone*,
the attorney of the above petitioner, stating chat he had
brought en scion against the magistrates for turning him
me of the room while the ease of Shaw was tinder consi-
deration, at d that be hail got but one shilling damage*,
though the Judge was of opinion that he should get 2001.
dotnages. The petitioner prayed that the house should
adopt some means to enable persons who complained of op-
pression from meteorites.* to bring actions in other counties
titan where the magistrates resided.
Mr. LITTLETON never heard that the petitioners had
not had justice done to them until now.
Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from Ruheen,
complaining of being obliged to pay 1.5001. to an absentee
rector for rebuilding a church which had fallen down
through negligence.
Sir J. NEWPORT complained of the injustice of such
proceedings. Several churches' were built in a slovenly
manner, then neglected. whereby they won fell down, after
which the Catholics were obliged to rebuild them.
Mr. HUME thouzlit it a great hardship for England to
be obliged to support an army fee preserving peace in Ire-
land, which was endangered by such conduct as was tout.
plained of by the petitiemers.
Mr. STA N LEY had in the last Parliament brought In a
bill relating to the building of churches in Ireland, but it
met with such strong objections from members whose sup-
port he expected, that lie withdrew it, hut he would shortly
bring it forward loin.
Mr. LEFItOI considered that a great deal of the dis.
satisfaction which prevailed in Ireland arose from misrepre-
sentations and inAan matory speeches made in that hone.
Be the Act of the Union, the Protestant Church in Ireland
was to be supported as in England.
Mr. O'Ct INN ELL observed that there was no law in
England to enable Protestants to compel Dissenters to build
clenches for them, whereas, in Ireland, the Protestants
could assess the Catledice to any amount they released for
the repairs and buildings of churches. for Catholics had no
vote at veatties. lie really believed that there would be
tmere church.goirg Protestants in Ireland. were It not that
ti'e high.miroed Plotestants were ashamed to be mixed up
with such a system of peculation.
Mr. CR Att PT( IN did not mean to say but that there
was were C3UPe comp!aint among the Catholics for the
hee.idirg Chttrchea ; but the Honourable Member fot
I:erry xvgerated the grievances to which they had been
suieject.
NIT. H. Olt ATT AN did not think thvt the grievances
te• e'er which the Catholics laboured had been by any means
t mlgeeratell. In the parish front which lee came, in the
t.: my of Meath, a clergyman applied to have a church
built. though there was not a single Protestant in the
parish.
Mr. S. RICE hoped that House would rot discuss this
subject at further !climb at present, as he was anxious to go
10.0 a Committee of Supply.
Mt. 0 CONNELL would merely say that, in the grants
of money. 401. a year were voted for an organist in the church,
though there never had been an organ in it. (Laughter.) The
turn. and lamed reembet then moved for certain returns re.
zprcting paper mills in Ireland; but, after a few words
eon' Mt. S. Rice, he withdrew his motion tot the present.
THE COSONATION•
The SPEAKER acquainted the Itemise that he had a
communication nom his 31ajesty, to the effect that the mem-
o, rs ct the house could be accommodated with a gallery in
the Ald ev, to wine Ibb the ceren ot.y of :he coronation on the
tali tf Se pr. tither ; but I.ls Majesty did cot deem it expe.
Glen' II at el.. v should take any share in t'.e solemnities.
Emil A LTH I HIP ti en moved, that a Conneitece be ap-
pointed to conimunicate with leis Majesty's Surveyor-Cenc-
i:els r. erect ing the beat mode of accummedating the members
at this house ten the occasion of the Coronaticn.
Mr. 111: ME he peel it at the :aceenimodatien in qt.cstion
sated rot lead to any extraordinary expecae. if so, he would
not be a party to it. (Laughter.) In consequence ut what
s as stated in smother place, he Inas anxious about this sub.
j 1 It, He wished the noble lord would lay on the table the
estimated exp. tags of the Coronation.
lurid A ITIIOIIP observed that an account of the ezpen.
enure would he laid or, the table in a few (lays. He could
hay that the proposed accommodation would not cause any
additional expense.
The motion was then agreed to, and the Committee ap-
pointed.
. On the motion that the House resolve itself into a Com-
mittee of Supply.
Alderman WOOD hoped that he would be allowed to
.e the accord reading of his bill for regulating the speed
of Steam Vessels In the Thames.
,This led to some desultory observations which were in.
terruptad by Mr. Romney, who asked If the Government
re aware that the French Government were availing them.
eelven of their station in the Tagus, to induce the Portuguese
Govertanent to give superior advantages to French commerce
in Portugal.
Lord ALTHORP knew nothing ache subject alluded to
by tier lumostable member.
• 11. c Honig then went Into a Committee of Supply.

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On the motion that 6,5001. be granted for the Royal
Dublin society,
Nlr. I.RA ORR complained of the grant being reduced
from 7,0001. for tl at Society bad done much good in Ireland
O'CONNEI.I. complained of the mode of admission
Into that Society. He himself had been proposed by Major
Sin, and seconded by Mr. Leader, yet be was hlackballed.
( laughter.) They would have had his money for the last
20 years, had they admitted him. They ought not to corns
here for money until they tried to get all they could in
Ireland.

Mr. A. LRFROY supported the grant.
Mr. S. RI CE would be extremely nucleus to sop Port a
liberal grant to any society in Ireland that really promoted
learning and the sciences, but this society partook of the
nature of a club, which derogated from its utility. When it
KM considered that the amount of public subscriptions to
this society did not exceed 5001. a-year. he thought that the
reduction now made was not too much, fur as long as the
members received money from the Treasury, they would nut
subscribe bountifully
Mr. It. GORDON rppmvcd of the reduction. This so-
ciety was more like a club than what it purposed to he. He
wished to know how many of these grants were to cease after
this year.
Mr. S. RICE w plied that the grants for the Marine So.
ciety. the Foundlirg lgmpit. 1. the Richmond Penitentiary,
and the Commission for legal Inquiry, were to:cense entirely
after this yea►. and several others were to be reduced
gradually.
Mr. HUNIE hid intended to reduce this grant by one.
half, for it was 'rally nothing more than a party club.—
They took in all the high Tory Papers, such as " The
Age," " Toe John Bull," &c. They took in " The
Times," (hear, and laughter.) Why. what is " The
Tunics." can any one tell ? (laughter.) It was clearly
proved before the Committee that no liberal person could
gain admission into it. They disposed of 1051. in premiums
for new inventions yearly; yet in one year there were five
premiums for straw hats. and in 1828, there were eight
such premiums of 101. each. The grant given by Govern-
ment amounted to 91. per head for every subscriber. He
never couLl corsent to have a grant continued to such a
society, merely to support a faction.
Mr. S. RICE said that government could not approve of
exclus,on from a national establishment. _

After sonic observations from Mr. Leader, Sir .7. Burke,
and Sir J. Newport,
Mr. 11. (111 tTTAN, as a member of the society, felt
bound to say that the abuses existing in it were much ag-
gravated.
Mr. SIII El, said there was a reduction of 7381. in the
grant this year.
The resolution was then agreed to.
A sum of 3001. was granted for the expenses of the
Royal Irish Academy for the year 1031.
After some observations from Nir. t )'Cox xtet. Mr. S.
Ric,, &c. a sum nut exceeding 7001. was granted de-
fraying the expenses of the board of charitable bequests for
the year 1831.
Oa the motion that 1,51104 be granted foe the expense di
the Belfast Academical Institution for the year 1831,
Some conversation ensued between Mr. Ruthven, Mr.
Hume, Mr. O'Connell, and Mr. Wyse, in approval of the
institution, after which the resolution was agreed to.
On the motion that 12,9001. be granted for the expenses
of the Board of Works for the year 1831,
Mr. S. RICE explained, that in this establishment a
saving of no leas than 1,11101. had been made to the public.
Mr. lILIME had objections to many of the charges in this
grant; but he felt that, until the Lord Lieutenant was got
rid of, no reduction could be hoped for.
sir. O'CONNELL replied, that getting rid of the Lord
lieutenant would be the most certain step to lead to the re-
peal of that union which his Honourable Friend opposed so
strenuously.
After some further conversation between Mr. S. Rice,
Mr. Home, Mr. H. Grattan, Mr. Stanley, Mr. O'Connell,
Mr. Crampton, Mr. Leader, the resolution was agreed to.
On the motion that 30,4191. be granted for the expenses of
the several public offices in Dublin for the year 1831,
A long .desultory conversation ensued respecting the re-
tiring el:owatice and the public conduct of Mr. Gregory,
and the manner in which that gentleman discharged the du-
ties of the office which he had held, between Mr. O'Connell
anti other hon. members. He was described as a political
partisan, while Mr. Goulburn and other hon. gentlemen de-
fended hint from the charge, and contended that no man
could possibly discharge his public duties with greater integ-
rity and anpartiality.
The resolution was then agreed to.
The house then resumed, and the chairman reported pro.
gross, aid obtained leave to sit again.

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to the subject before them. which wu not to extend any par-
ticular system of relief, but whether It wu expedient that
e system of relief should be extended to Ireland ? If they
decided in the affirmative, the stem to be introduced would
be a subject or future conskleratioc.
Lord ALTHORP observed that this was a (pestle. of
the greatest difficulty and importance. He was sorry it was
not in his power to contradict the statement which the Hon.
Member ( Mr. Sadler) made respectiog Ireland ; but he
thought be might say that the state of Ireland was improv-
ing. Now if the house affirmed the proposition before them,
without having subsequently adopted some system or plan
in pursuance thereof. they would be doing a great deal of
mischief; and unless the plan was before the house, it
would be difficult to come to a satisfactory conclusion on
this proposition. He moved the previous question as an
amendment.

Mr. WRY LA ND said that the Introduction of poor laws
Into Ireland would localise the employment of the poor of
that country. and prevent them from seeking labour In other
countries.

Mr. SH El L observed that the objection of the difficulty
to find efficient functionaries to carry poor laws into opera-
tion throughout Ireland was not applicable to large cities or
towns ; it might be applied to agricultural districts. The
boa. gentleman referral to the evidence of Doctors Chal-
mers and 1)oyle respecting the poor laws. Iteland diffred
from Scotland in this--that there were very few absentees
from Scotland. while almost all the rental of Ireland was
drained out of the country by absenteeism. Much of the
present !likely of Ireland originated in the disfranchisement
of th. 40s. teal...Mem and the Subletting Act. Thousand.
of families were expelled from their homes on account of
these acts. It was incumbent on the legislature which
passed these Acts to provide for those outcasts in Australia
or some other settlement. The hen. and learned gentleman
here gave en afEcting description of the miseries which per-
vaded Ireland. and sat down amidst loud cheering.
Mr. STANLEY had made a minute inquiry, and the
result was that he could not find out that any one tenant
had bean ejected on account of the Subletting Act. That
Act was by no means productive of the evils attributed to it.
With respect to the introduction of a compulsory assessment
into Dublin and other great towns, he would not object to
it, if it would stop there. But if that was ntablished' there
should be a law of settlement, for all the poor would flock
from the country into those towns. He objected to be
pledged to the motion. because the proposition was not de-
fined. lie would not raise hopes in Ireland until he was sa-
tisfied that the plan could be established. If the honourable
member would bring in a bill, it would have the most ample
consideration. He would not offer an opinion on the sub-
ject, which was gaining ground. He would support the
amendment.

After a few words from Mr. Leader, Loyd Morpeth,
Mr. S. Rice, Mr. Lefroy, 3ir John Burke, Mr. O'Moore
Farrell, Mr. Renew, Mr. W. Mullet*, Mr. John Smith,
Colonel O'Grady, Mr. Grattan, Mr. I). Browne
, tie.
Rathven, and Mr. Sadler, the Gallery was cleared for •

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The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of; and
the House adjourned at Half-past Two o'Clock.

BRAZILIAN PAPERS, THIS DAY.
Rio D Jaxriio, .11,Rz 22.
OFFICIAL.

Baaz It. taxa !—Fulfilling the duty which the Constitu-
tion of the State imposes on it, your General Legislative
Assembly proceeded to the election of a permanent Regency,
which is to govern the Empire during the minority of Don
Pedro 11.

The formalities prescribed in the law on this subject,
baying been observed, the absolute majority cf votes was
obtained by citizens
Francisco de Luria e Silva,
Joe da Costa Cerralho,
And Joa Braulio Muni:.
Palace of the Senate, June 18, 1831.--Signed by the Pre.
aldent and four Secretaries.

The Mario do Goonwo to July 9, inclusive, is filled with
same hundred local ordinances, decrees, te.
LISBON PAPERS—THIS DAY.

CADIZ, Avo. 17.—A Decree issued this day
by the Board of Health of this City, imposed a
quarantine of eight days upon vessels from polls in
Great Britain and Ireland situated in and being to
the northward of 54 North latitude; and of four
days upon vessels from ports South of that latitude.
Persons are not permitted to land at Cadiz, unless
they bring passports, which must be countersigned
by some Spanish Consul or Vice-Consul, at or near
the port of clearance or embarkation.
Lissom, Auo. 10.—The most excellent Senate
of Lisbon has just given another proof of its zeal,
and unalterable fidelity, by offering, with all its
offices, to the King, our Sovereign, for the expences
of the state, 5 per cent. of the total of its revenues,
for two years. The payment of the first year
being divided into two equal portions, for
the first two quarters, and that of the second in the
four following quarters. The Senate is not only
persuaded that all true Portuguese will follow the
same course, but know by experience that these
are the noble sentiments of the people of Lisbon,
whom it has the honour to represent.
His Majesty has been pleased to accept this
offer, and to express to the Senate his satisfaction
with this proof of attachment.—Lisboa Gazette,
Aug. 11.
(The Lisbon Gazettes, from Bth to 13th Aug.
contain no Portuguese news.)
GERMAN PAPERS, THIS DAY.

Faun THE DANUBE, Aug. 15.—The insur-1
rectiou of the ptasantry in some of the North
Eastern Counties of Hungary, increases in rather
an alarming manner, ro that the magistrates have
applied for a military force, and two batteries of
artillery were accordingly sent thither from Pesth
on the 12th. At first the insurrection was di-
rected only against the measures adopted for
checking the cholera, because they were in many
places very oppressive. and some of the authorities
and officers behaved in an arbitrary, severe, wanton
manner, which could not possibly be the intention
of the wise measures- of the government. These
peasants now exercise a cruel vengeance on all
landowners, officers, or physicians, and we learn
many horrid particulars of this kind. The
insane notion that the, physicians sought to
poison the poor people, by order of the go-
vernment, is generally spread ; and woe be
to the physician or nobleman who falls into the
hands of the infuriated peasantry. There is, how-
ever, no doubt, that the military will soon put an
end to these troubles.—Nerestberg Correspondent,
21st Aug.
PESTI!, A uo. 12.—The cholera continues its
ravages, and Pesth, and Ofen, and the environs,
is rather milder on those days only when the
sky is clear. This week the number of deaths is
between sixty and seventy, besides the mili-
tary, and no marked decrease is perceived.
The evil, however, spreads in Hunger, ;
and is said to be extending in the
town and country of Oedenburg. Accounts
from Transylvania say, that that elevated country
has hitherto remained free from the disorder. Or-
ders have been given not to hold the August fair at
Pesth, which will necessarily prove disadvanta-
geous to our commerce.
It is strange that almost simultaneously in Rus-
sia, Prussia, and Hungary, the foolish report is

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generally spread and believed, that there is a plot to!
poison the people, by the physicians. In Pesth
and Ofen the people are pretty well cured of this
notion; but it is very prevalent in the country, and
proves dangerous. It is reported that the country
of Sumeg has required of the country of Pesti), to
be officially informed how it happened, that the
blood of citizens was shed on the 17th of July,
when there was a tumult there.—Allgemeine Zei-
tang, Avg. 22.

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soma a the porm=and from which the same Ch
bet has, skim by w,
or commence. in many jh
stances sloe the onellodso July, 100, caused to 0,,:
steed political landladies and directory laws. Tbe ses,Ve
of 1831 might, 'boohoo. (ne one will dispute,) to confi,;
ile corniest* le doe three polnts—the mode in 11401
Peas are te he mensinmed, their number, and the hexed enenwsion tithe PesoW* istr)
The 'Prudhoe then awe •aed, at some length, his clew ,f
fbe andsomire and policy of the government of Frakt
tbe ocorehy was hereditary was, he said, undisputed,
sidle Isw and common consent had made it indispotah4.
Ilk monarchy, however, was tempered by a particiniaa
In the sovereign power of the two Chambers. The ressert.
able functions, " the conditions of the existence" of the
three estates, became the next question. ." C.on.titutiotad
monarchy, he proceeded, " carries within it a princip,e af
dersbility and a principle of advancement ; and each of the
two legislative estates receives one of these principles in oust
from the constitution. To ensure durability is the chose.
teristie duty of the first—advancement (inobitilel belong. to
the second : hence the essential distinction in their Origin
and composition. The organic condition of each of theta
Chambers will be conformable to their minion: far from
reasoning with regard to them upon principles of analogy,
we ought to reason upon a principle of opposition. Th,us
if popular election be the natural parent of the one, a royal
creation is the proper rule of institution for the other."
The President then combatted at some length the theory
of an elective peerage, which would in fact. he said, be net.
they more nor less than a second Chamber of Deputies—.a
mixed Chamber, part elected, part crested, he proved to be
as little likely to act beneficially. He next obviated the ob.
jection that might be raised upon the supposition of an abuse
of this power by the Crown. Public opinion, he said, would
be always a sufficient guarantee against such abuse; and
with reference to the extravagant exercise of this power in
1821 and downwards, the disastrous result of such practices
was, be said, the best security against their repetition.
" The revolution bad not merely effected all that was just—
le had rendered impossible whatever was unjust." After a
kw winds more, warning the Chamber that there were diffi.
entice on both sides, but that those on the side of an elective
Chamber scented greatly to preponderate, he concluded thh
had of inquiry by saying, " I propose, gentlemen, that
the nomination of the Pens of France shall belong to the
Khis."
He commenced his second head of inquiry by frankly
stating, that but for the prodigal use of the power of crest.
kg Peers, made during the latter years since the restoration,
there would be no question of limiting that power, which
ought to warn the Chamber, that under the question of prin.
elides there lurked also a question of persons—questions
which ought by no means to be confounded by a legis.
later. " Unbalanced power," he said,. " was despotism ;
and such unbalanced power a Chamber of Peers, inae.
erosible to change or influence by an increase of its men.
bens, must always constitute." The power of moderating
the Chamber of Peers by new creations be held to be
equivalent to the power of dissolving the other Cham.
ber ; and to the Chamber of Deputies, the king's power of
creating new peers must give a vast accession of influence._
After expatiating for some time upon these topics of argu.
'sent in favour of his proposition, the President closed his
second head by the formal motion—" 1 propose that the
number of the peers of France be unlimited." There re.
mains, he continued, the question of the hereditary seems.
Won of the peerage. This is the question to which apps.
ready the Legislature has more especially directed the atten.
tion of the Session of 1831. This is the question which has
so long occupied all minds. It is at this point that we would
avail ourselves of the consideration adverted to at the cam.
mencement of this expesition; here it is that a constitutional
theory is shipwrecked upon circumstances here legislation
is engaged with policy, and the future welfare of the
country,lperhaps, with its present opinions. Beyond doubt,
if the question of the hereditary succession of the
peerage were to be decided today by the logical come.
quences of the theory of limited monarchy, by the authority
of experience, a series of incontrovertible reasoning would
conduct your minds to recognise—with the most distin.
guished writers out Government, with those whose memory
this tribune still religiously pteserve•—that an hereditary
succession contains in it the principle of conservation, that it
is the most solid support of the throne, and that it involvesa
principle of independence which is the beat gunroom for
liberty. Theory is in rayons of hereditary succession; expe-
rience is for hereditary succession; foreign examplea,and oar
own, in a contrary sense, during forty years, render their teo
downy. But, beside that theorede policy, which, from the
recesses of its cabinet, contemplates what suits the society that
ought lobe in every free state, is to be found a practical policy,
which regards carefully that which suits the society that is.
A government does not march across the country like a
blind shammies, which considers nothing in its papaw,. It
is thus, indeed, proceeds the absolutism of revolution with-
out justice, and of despots without lights. A wise severs.
meat observes the facts which confront it—it consults them
—it reconciles itself to them—and in place of immolating
realities to principles, or principles to realities, it exerts it.
self to mingle them together by approximation. One reality,
then, is truenifest to us all at present, that is the universal
repugnance to the hereditary succession of the peerage. Just
or unjust, rational or irrational, it exists, it presses upon us,
it will be satisfied. An opinion has been pronounced—an
opinion by far too widely spread to be either overlooked or de-
spised, when, in other respects, it proposes no violation of jos.
ties. It is such an opinion as when it relates to the 'rained
government, alwa3s, perhaps, imperatively, commands some
species of deferecce. It is more especially due at a paled
when institution% as yet scarcely brought forth, want the
pubtle favour, for which no reverend antiquity supplies the
substitute. tla at such a period that we ought to reflect
that institutions, however excellent, cannot be imposed upon
a people by mere fore, and against its will. It were a
most dangerous and unprofitable experiment, which would
extinguish, at the risk of the greatest calamities, that *You
pathy which henceforth ought to exist between the nation
and its government."
Here the President paused for a moment. The members
all requested him to rest. After a few minutes' rest, the
Minister resumed, He said that at the moment at which
they were offering up the hereditary socoteden to the ter
gency of public opinion, was not the moment tar eulogising
its advantages; the partisans of a lik roar, be added,
had been at sulkiest pains to show that it was no capensi.
Coos regard to the prerogative which cussed Illiehtses to
make the offering with some regret. The Pre/idols in
putting the third member of his reposition in term modes
short preface.
"Yes, gentlemen, since a constitutional inderadotts
which ought to be regarded in theory as the room; of
public liberty, is confounded, in the imaglastios Odle peo-
ple, with the ancient aristocratic power, the oppressor stout
civil liberties--since our duty, our absolute oncessity. is to
consult the popular impression, we propose to you, as
'sisters charged to collect the public opinions, and to satisfy
them in all that is not contrary to justice me peopae to yea
as the depositaries of the interest of public ceder, but at the
same time throwing upon you, as legislators, a pert, a got
part, oft he responsibilityof that determination—we propose to
you to deciare—diat the peerage has ceased to be hereditary.
Te President added—" Meantime, gentlemen, the examina-
tion of the question still belongs to you exclusively ; and if
you can persuade yourselves, that you can recognise in the
symptoms of public opinion, or it may be in your own pee-
views judgment, motives sufficiently cogent to takes Jeri•
sive part, we shall accept the lights which may be
to us by the discussion ; we shall, without dillicartry7ll rally
to the biotin, to which the sentiment of your constitutional
resonsibility may give birth in this Chamber. A debate
imedneted in a spirit of good faith, forbids our ever despair.
kg of unforeseen results, for condom receives in such sincere
discussions revelations which honest men will anxiously col.
lea and preserve. The speaker continued in the some
spirit of concession and apology, and occluded. The King
hes sedated us to submit to your deliberation the folkwpt
pejo* of law, to take rank, after it shall be e 6
among the articles of the Constitutional Charter, as mine O.
PIOJICT or LAW.
A single article to replace article 93 of the Chatter.
" The nomination of the members of the Cheesier of
Peers belongs to the King.
" Their number is unlimited.
" The dignity of a Peer is to be conferred for life.
" It is Dot transmissible by hereditary deacon.
" All dispositions to the contrary are and shall be abin
gated.
" The present article may be modified hereeher.
" Nevertheless, no propositioa fee that purpose shall Is
submitted for examination to ow kgialstese, unless the
preceding legislature shall have is fee thus purples."
POLAND.
WAssAw, Aug. 17.—Yesterday and the day
before were days of horror. The patriotic dub,
long irritated against the established authorities,
and dissatisfied at not seeing General Jankowsky
condemned to death, at length determined en

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shlia,of the Sorb me&atiaaana Item which the same chat,
generally spread and believed, that there is a plot to
deb was not to extend any par.
whether It was expedient that poison the people,or coocurrence. in titan •
by the physicians. In Pestle stances dace theyvewsikadeu of July 100 7 th*
extended to Ireland P. . caused to hh,
...If d 1.3 and Oka the people are pretty well cured of this wed pow.' hods's'''. ma &Mary law,. The
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Seism to be inteede— would notion; but it is very prevalent in the country, and of 1831 ought, tbstelbse. (es see wind ispute,) to amn
Woe.
totirme
RI examined'. is thaw three points—the mode in h.
Id that this was a question al proves dangerous. It is reported that the country
t t,._,_ _ ber,
and . • lot
lortalice• He was um" iii of Sumeg has required of the country of Pestb, to stemethie tat p ot " a tne hered ivy
the eteareatr which ilt.. 1.. be officially informed how it happened, that the Th. praline thew at some length, ',kyle.
That the why was hereditary was, he said, undisputed,
e 2"PestateceViirela-rner was; im.litei. --v. blood of citizens was shed on the 17th of July, the asasdattisa and policy of the government of Fenn,rl
ed the proposition before then, when there was a tumult there.—Allgenteine Zei-
as the law and common consent had made it indisputehh,,
adopted ism" system Se Visa tang, Aug. 22.
cold be doing a great deal of This monarchy, however, was tempered by a participaviot,
lan was before the house, it PARIS PAPERS. in the sovereign power of the two Chambers. The res,eri,
able funetioos, "the conditions of the existence" of it
o a satisfactory conclusion on
PA R 111, SATURDAY. —The Chamber of De- three estates, became the next qnestion. " Coned u i its
the previous question as an ,
durability and • principle of advancement ; and each of me
puttee on Thursday assembled for the purpose of monarchy, he proceeded, " aeries within it a printeip".er'n?
two lerdalative estates receives one of these minciples in trust
it the introduction of poor laws proceeding to the periodical election of the Pre-
from ihe constitution. To ensure durability is the chose.
he employment of the poor of sidents and Secretaries of the Standing Com-
o from seeking labour in other
the second t hence the essentia distieetion in their origin
mittees. On the last occasion Ministerial deputies tirade duty of the first—advancement (inobilitel belong. to
and composition. Thef organic condition of each of these
the objection of the difficulty were almost invariably chosen, but yesterday, of
m carry poor laws into opera. the oine committees, seven elected members of the Chambers will be eon °linable to their minion : far from
not applicable to large cities or
reasoning with regard to them upon principles of•
opposition, and two only (the 4th and 7th) nomi-to agricultural di.tricts. Theanalogy,
he evidence of Doctors .. noted friends to the administration. The Opposition we ought to reason upon a principle of opposition. Thus,
ba„ed a•t somerALth other
he poor laws. Leland diffired journals speak of this with great triumph, as afford- if Imitanletia election be tliele"atal institutionPattt of tihele one, arotal
there were very few absentees ing a proof that M. feeler has lost ground in the esti- creation
Preatideenptmtra-
all the rental of Ireland was •
motion of the Chamber since the commencement of an elective peerage, which would in fact, hegtsalh tdh,ehethe°.2.
I absenteeism. Much of the
:mated in the disfranchisement
t, the session, while La France Nouvelle (the they more nor less than
a second Chamber of Deputies-.a
he summing Act. Thousand. organ of Ministers) merely laments that the mem-
mixed Chamber, part elected, part created, he proved to be
i their
the legislature which homes on account of hers of the majority considered the affair as too as li.tie likely to act beneficially. He next obviated the ob.
in
jection that might be raised upon the supposition of an abuse
on
secure or unimportant, and neglected to attend the of this power by the Crown. Public opinion, he said, would
or those outcasts in Australia
session, while the members of the Opposition, on be always a sufficient guarantee against such abuse; and
with reference to the extravagant exercise of this power In
to hon. and learned gentleman
ion of the miseries which per- the contrary, mustered in full force. The fol-
-1827 and downwards, the disastrous result of such practices
amidst loud cheering. lowing is the list of the new presidents and secre- was he said, the best security against their repetition.
lea minute inquiry, and the •
find out that any one tenant tams
.:
Continuity. President. "The revolution bad not merely effected all that was just—
of the Subletting Act. That Secretary. It had rendered impossible whatever was unjust." After a
ire of the evils attributed to it. Ist General Lafayette M. Salverte few words more, warning the Chamber that there were diffi.
an of a compulsory assessment 2tl Baron de Brigade hi. Gillen collies on both sides, but that those on the side of an elective
owns, he would not object to 3d 31. Rerenger hi. Vaiout Chamber scented greatly to preponderate, he concluded thh
it if that was ntablished there t h NI. Duchatel M. Doges Montbel head of inquiry by saying, " I propose, gentlemen, that
, for all the poor would' finch 5.h 31. Dupont de l'Rure NI. Felix Real the nomination of the Pens of France shall belong to the
towns. He objected to be 6th Count Delaborde M. de Tracy King."
the proposition was not de- 7th M. Adler M. Camille Perky He commented his second head of inquiry by frankly
pes in Ireland until he was sa- Bth Ai. Bignon M. Ganneron stating, that but for the prodigal use of the power of creat.
istablished. If the honourable Bth M. Witt 111. Arago.
uamestion
tratlaimaditing that power, which
log Peers, made during the latter years since the restoration,
ber,
it would have the most ample The meeting of Deputies which holds its sit. therewou
er the question of prin.
tof an opinion on the sub- tinge at Lointier's, and which now amounts to ought to wild bethr Cc!
. ciples there lurked also a question of persons—questions
and. He would support the 112 members, has classed itself into the following which ought by no means to be confounded by a legis.
Mr. Lacier, Lend morpeth, seven committees, namely. for Justice and Legis- later. " Unbalanced power," he said,." was despotism ;
r John Burke, Mr. Minore lotion, Worship and Public Instruction, the Fi-
and such unbalanced power a Chamber of Peers, inac.
erosible to change or influence by an increase of its mem.
• Mullen,. Mr. John Smith, nances and Customs, Public Works and Cer
om-
ttan, Mr. D. Browne hers, must always constitute." The power of moderating
ae Gallery was cleared for a 31r.
merce, Foreign Affairs, War and the Marine. A the Chamber of Peers by new creations he held to be
special committee has also been formed for the equivalent to the power of dissolving the
.other Chem.
51 consideration of all proposals made to the ChamberChamber a Deputies, the king's power of
leer; and to the .
64 on the important question of the Peerage, whether creating new peers must give • vast accession of influence.—
After expatiating for some time upon these topics of argu.
era .. --12 by the Government, or by any individual Deputy. went in favour of his proposition, the President closed his
Ay were then disposed of ; and .
past Two o'Clock. This committee is composed of Gen. Lafayette, second head by the formal motion—" I propose that the
numbermains,
heot the peers of France be unlimited." There re.
TELLIGENCE. Gen. Lsmarque, and Messrs. Odillon Barrot,
continued, the question of the hereditary su
Mauguin, Merilhou, 'raillandier, Comte, Dubois go" of the peerage. 110.---This is the question to which apps.
ERS, THIS DAY. Ayme, di Tracy, and Cormenin. Its !Rheum have reedy the Legislature has more especially directed the atten.
already commenced.—C'ourrier Frnncais. tion of the Session of 1831. This is the question which has
) 1)11 Jaxrtao, Jeme 22.
CIA L. Yesterday, in spite of an eloquent appeal of M. :LIT
at omacelesuvpied all minds. It is at this point that we would
Barthelem editor of the Nemesis he was con-
of the considerations adverted to at the eon.the duty which the Constitu. y, ,
ornament of this expesitioal; here it is that a constitutional
it, your General Legislative demned to the minimum of the law—one month's theory is shipwrecked upon circumstance.—here legislation
is engaged with policy, and the future welfare of the
ction of a permanent Regency, imprisonment, and 200 francs fine, for publishing
emit ntry,iperhaps„ with its present opinions. Beyond doubt,
s during the minority of Don a paper without giving the security required by law,
the question of the hereditary succession a the
Letters which we have received from Madrid, of peerage were to be decided today by the logical come.
in the law on this subject, the 18th current, announce that extremely fre- quences of the theory of limited monarchy, by die authority
controvertible reasoning woad
anent communications are made between the Cabi- of experience, a series of in
tbsolute majority cf votes was • . .. .
nets of Lisbon and madrid. intentions of the •
gutsbed writers on Government, with those whose memory
Spanish Government are announced to march some this tribune still religiously preserves—that an hereditary
corps of troops near the frontiers of Portugal.— succession contains in it the principle of conservation, that it
Quotidienne. is the most solid support of the throne, and that it involvesa
principle of independence which Is the beat guarantee for
e. Thor is favonr of hereditary su ; cape.
ccession
In spite of the contradictions of the official jour-
lib
8, lash—Signed by the Pre.
nals respecting Marshal Macdonald, it is true that neonrty is for eherey in
ditary succession; foreign examples,and oar
July 9, inclusive, is filled with he has quitted the Howl of the Chancellery, and own, in a contrary sense, during forty years, render their tee
tummy. But, beside that theoretic policy, which, from the
hes offered his resignation.— Costrrier Francais.
1, decrees, to of its cabinet, contemplates what suits the society that
IS—THIS DAY. Baron Andre, diplomatic agent of France at the ought lobe in every free state, is to be found a practical paha,
, Court of Vienna, arrived yesterday at Paris. He which regards carefully that which suits the society that U.
De 41trteer, ilittsued, this Jul'''. was sent as Extraordinary Courier to Paris by our A government does not march across the country like s
el. 'me '-'y"lapass' a Ambassador at Vienna.—Courrier Francais. blind abstraaioa, which considers nothing in its peewit. It
upon vessels from ports in is thus, indeed, proceeds the absolutism of revolution with.
I situated in and being to Tice official Journal of the Hague, the Slants- out justice, and of despots without lights. A wise govern.
Courant, contains in its number of the 19th of this meat observes the facts which confront it—it consults them
arth latitude; and of four
month, an order in date of the 16th, from which a —it reconciles itself to thens—and in place of immolating
ores South of that latitude.
in realities to principles, or principles to realities, it exerts it.
contingent of 4000 men of the militia, taken
self
to mingle them together by approximation. One reality,
I to land at Cadiz, unless
years
ich must be countersigned
the 1827, 1828, 1829, and 1830, are called then, is munifest to us all at present, that is the universal
or Vice-Consul, at or near
under the flags ; the conditions of the order repugnance to the hereditary succession of the peerage. Just
stating that they are destined to complete the aqua- or unjust,
rational or irrational, it exists, it presses upon or,
mbarkation.
it will be satisfied. An opinion has been pronounced—an
drone of the army ; a second order moves the i • b • t wittel „teem' to be either overlooked
tt de.
l'he most excellent Senate op own y .ar eo y
communal guards of the year 1831. The In- spilled. when, in other respects, it proposes no violation ofjus.
another proof of its zeal,
dependant, Journal of Brussels, in announcing nee. It is such an opinion as when it relates to the affairsel
by offering, with all its th 11r1 Datil ISM of thn rintph, f:...............• government. alveat a_ nerlsana. imnemeil...l. ...........A. . ........ . _