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London, England, 1812-02-14 00:00:00

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(uthijoenHonourahle G
while he relieved him from the necessity of e '
into the question of justice or Polier, which rt"g
fully prepared to do, he could not but regret,
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in generalities, and said, that the conduct f
' country towards America was wrong. By tia:,t-fr:
reeding of the Hon. Gentleman, he was ',Lice,'
very unpleasant dilemma. He could not enter 'IA:
into the conduct of the Americans, without the
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of consequences which it was far Iron nis wish to
duce; and yet he would assert, in
of their having been any injustice in the conduct of us 46
country toward Amenca, we had the strongest c ea-
against her that ever doe nation had Against •n
but he would not appeal to the evidence which he
bad brought with him, and he misted he sh led Le
delivered front ever engaging in so Oatie•taaint ad
cia
dispute. At present, be would tidy say in re „Thin
that there never was a More untounar,t
that Great Biitain had been unjust towards Am 4
or wantin zin a spirit ofcino4l"ifin. eli neler' trPy,
from Mr. Perceval i others). On the
nothing but the utmost aversion to a q —era wit
America could have enabled this countly to have
borne so much. So far from having done any di..
to provoke a rupture with Amerce the.si
nyist persevering, and almost even bawds it ng
hall been employed to avoid it. Hewould f ir;e4r
ing now into that topic, more tactical irly benne
He thought the question was not whether we Ikea
go to war with America, but whether America navy
go to war with us ? (Hear, hear,) He saw me pod
that could result Prom a premature agitation hi dbi
House of the differences between the tw, crestsini
I but, on the contrary, was satisfied that it alight is
attended with a great deal of inconvenieaceandea.
chief. If, however, he should be forced into a Ife.
cussion of •the justice and policy of the Orders se
Council, he would follow the Honourable Gendesees
through the latter branches of them, as he had ewe
through the former ; and had no doubt but he calk
prove what he now asserted—that they wage nem.
unjust nor impolitici Hedenied that there was nye',
deuce of the mercantile interest in general mmieleift
the Orders in Council as injurious to tradelfthey
they must have forgot the prostrate st.ite of our caw
merce previous to the issuing of the Orders io Comb
cil; and its prosperou's condition since that time—the
whole forming the strongest body of evidence dam
ever appeared on such a subject. But when mules'
did the Hon. Gentleman hear a wish expressed, the
America should be annihilated ? For his pat held
never beard any wish expressed with regametene
dispute with America but one, and that was, that a
war with that country ought to be avoided,
could be done without that utter ruin to theinaritiat
rights and commerce of Great Britain,
must be the consequence of )ielding to the
pretensions of France. (Hear, hear.) He saw al
danger of annihilation to America, except frestie
strong opposition. Which would naturally be ma
among themselves to the unfortunate measures wild
'their Government was now pursuing. When Ai
' Hon. Gentleman talked of adopting a proper use
conduct with regard to America, he well underlie(
what was meant by that ; it meant, that we wets*
allow her to take up the whole carrying trade; my;
even the whole coa,targ trade of France ; that es
'ought to consent to her carrying on the whole ca.
'mace of our enemy without interruption. nava
the amount of the prnpotition and what wastes*
extraordinary, the Hon. Gentleman asserted, that
this would be foe the benefit of our commend—
This, he confessed, appeared to him a paradox, If
which he should be glad to hear an eeplanatim..
The moral effects ot the system established I lie
Orders in Council, had also.been the subject of xi.
madversion ; but the Hon. Gentleman was nimbi
there as well as in his other positions. He (*.be.
phen) denied that therwere the source of then an.
raj .effects. (Hear, her. from Mr. Whidweel).—
He denied it ; and did not see what good esd hong
answer to have adverted to them. No ass
more deplore whatever moral depravity might be
effat ot the measures pursued by our enemy&
the fault lay with the enemy, and not with dab
try.—When the Hon. Gentleman spoke d
and perjuries, he ought to have stated where
chiefly prevailed. They, look place prineinallf
intercourse with the north of Europe in the •
trade, where the Orders of Council had Dowse
ration. The orders of May. June, and Jan •
confined the previous orders to the countries
•Aately subject to the controul of France, dr*
Continental system, as it was called, had Ins
tended, as far as depended upon the Whew d
French Government, to Prussia, Denmark, aid.
den. If, then, these frauds and perjuries •
in the Baltic trade, let not the Hon. Godless*
the alarm that these arose from the Orders is
cif, when they were chiefly practised as a
where the Orders in Comae,' had no errs**
was impossible for the Hon. Gendeman to
a war with America more than he did; Irie
only to say that it was not a qlestioti for their
mination. It was for An t 9 decide the
she had fallen upon a new system, and made
pretensions t and he was astonished to hear it
that America had evinced no partiality tot F
France, it WAS well known, had made large
sinus on the subject of maritime rights, anal rn
had been followed by America. She had asked
than the Hon. Gentleman himself had everaskif
her before. In conclusion he stated, that ivlr
America would be avoided, if it could be 110.1
would not say in consistency with the digaitl•
lioeour, but with that rf the existence of the vale
Mr. CURWEN insisted, that it was ice,
House could be prepared for the discussion of
important topics connected with the Orders is •
cif, without the information called for by the
He put it to any man, whether, if any other
had treated Great Britain as our Gorettlormis7
treated the American Minster, we wolild cast
thought it a just cause of complaint, and ever do
unless a satisfactory explanation or reperwllarii
be procured ? The Honourable G
spoke last did wise to abstain from that Part 42
subject, as he would have found it difficutt toner
any arguments hi justification of such a heed'
duet. His Honourable Friend (VFW 4)
said, that he rested the case on thertillg
He did not with hint on 4 Imm".
rience of theaN:ts of the War"'