Star.
London, England, 1809-05-09 00:00:00

Offices of the sane nature Lehi for joint tires
. (Naval Office. of I.unaica not incltah-d) but
tnay be suLjuct to some :malt deduc.i•irs

29,819 0 0

1'.4.4.,335 16 10

No Return of the Offices In the West India
Islands taken horn the enemy
Four and a Half per Cent. Duty
Paid by the Husband of the Duty

in,sst 0 0
'20,949 0 6

31,280 0 6

Contingent and floating ditto ,t:5,; "0.
Pensions miscellaneous
Sinecure Offices held by deputy, or
for joint hives - - 242,355 16 10
Total objectionable or questionable for England 424,073 13 11
SCOTLAND.
Pensions paid out of Civil F.stablishinent -
Payments for Miscellaneous Services whiehmay
be doubtful
Sinecure Offices -
Ditto executed by deputy

150,437 16 7

39,704 16 6

8,575 0 0
1,230 0 0
28,090 0 0

77,609 16 6

IRELAND.

Pensions - .• - - - -
Compensations for Union, &c. -
linecure Offices held for two or more lives, or
grAtted in reversion - -

120,946 12 S
97,663 13 4

102,104 0 0

Trial Ireland
F-neard
• Scolaz.d

320,614 6 0
424,073 IS 11
77,609 16 6

Total objectionable or'questionable 822,`-'97 16 .5
Unobjectionable - 697,747 12 3

Grand Total X. 1,520,045 8
- Mr. THORNTON said he had risen to second th...
Motion, so mtich did he approve of it. He thought,
however, the Honourable Gentleman inaccurate in
his first broad and general statement, it amountii,-;
but to £1,400,000 .And not, as stated to £1,500,0001;
And out of this there was a sum of £34,000 to Offi ;
cer's Widows, and one of £45,000 to the Ordnance
Service, and a third of £57,000 towards the Navy
Estimates ; there was also £B,OOO to the First Lord
of the Admiralty, 13 or £14,000 for defraying the
expences of Government Dispatches, besides other
charges that amounted to about £200,000.
Mr. HENRY MARTIN, in explanation, said,
that he meant not to affect the sums appropriated to
Officers' Widows, or any such charge. He had dis-
tinctly stated; in setting out, that he wished those to
be laid aside in the consideration to which he was
about to call the attention of the House.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, that the statement of the Honourable Gentle-
man had been perfectly fair and candid in all its parts,
and that he (Mr. Martin) was entitled to his personal
thanks for the manner in which he had brought this
subject forward: It had been thought that it might
have come better from a person filling his situation,
but, from the extraordinary demand of his other duties
upon his time and attention, he had not leisure since
the commencement of the Session to pay it the atten-
tion it required. It had, however, fallen into very
competent hands. He admitted that the Report in
question had suggested a variety of regulations, of
which he approved. He approved of the public
being fully and accurately informed upon every point
of public expenditure. It had been fie system that
had been acted upon bY the late Mr. Pitt, and there
could be no doubt but that it was the best to guard
them against their being deceived or abused with mis-
tatements. He threw it out for the consideration of
the Honourable Gentleman, whether the Resolutions
could be carried into any effect in the course of the
present Sessions. He apprehended they could not:
As to the propriety of addressing the Crown in some
instances, ss proposed, he thought that would be
matter for subsequent consideration. At present he
should support the motion for appointing a Com-
mittee.
Lord HENRY PETTY said, when it was consi-
dered that the whole sphere of the topics compre-
hended under the Report in question did not extend
to one .52e1 part of the expenditure of this country,
including even the allowances to the Royal Family,
and that on the expiry of the pi ccent system, it would
not exceed one 80th part of the expenditure, the
House could not be entitled to expect that any great
saving could result from the curtailment of this
branch of the public expenditure. It was not there-
fore, on this expectation; but, on the principle that
however small the advantage to be derived tenor the
investigation of abuses, the constant attention of the
House should be directed to the suppresion of such
evils, that he agreed to the motion cf his Hon. and
Learned Friend. After deducting the annuities to the
Royal F tinily, the amount of Pensions, Sinecures, &c.
'amounted to 950,0001. This sum was received not
for services performing, but performed. If sinecures
were not the proper mode of rewarding all services
performed, still it was not said that they should be
excluded altogether.. So, the question should be, to
what extent this was the fittest mode, and whether
the amount of sums so payable did or did not exceed
the value of the service performed. The object of
his Honourable Friend was not that these Offices
should be done away, but that the amount of them •
1, should not be greater than the service rendered to the
public. His next object was that the emoluments of
Offices in Courts of Law should not be allowed to
fluctuate, and to exceed what was to have been ex-
' petted when they were originally instituted. Thirdly,
to prevent the possible creation of places, as stipulated
for by Mr. Burke's Bill, by providing for the annual
publicity of all such places. No where could this
privilege be so safely lodged as in the Crown ; but
being so confided, it was proper that the appointments
should be laid before' the House, and so-become ac-
cessible to Parliament and to the public at 'all times.
These were the only regulations which could be adop-
ted to keep down this expenditure, and while the
House was not guilty of any dereliction of duty, no-
body could be better qualified for such a task. Hav-
ing said so much, he should' reserve, till another op-
portunity, the minor details. The Right Hon. Gen-
tleman opposite (Mr. Perceval) while he agreed in
many things with the Hon. and Learned Mover, had
suggested that it would not be necessary for his Hon.
rnen4 to press thi Resolutions he had read during
'the present Pession. He, however, was of opinion,
I that if the House approved of the resolutions, it woull
be better that they should be put in the form of Bills,
and it so, that they should, if possible, pass during the
present Session. He was satisfied the House could not
discharge its duty better than by proceeding to carry
the principle of; these Resolutions into execution. The
Resolutionsconcurrence
x liuusc.—
;of.anhdisitHgcanvoeuhraimblesatFisrif:cnidionhatcol
see
tlt
manner in which they bad been suet by si his