Star.
London, England, 1812-01-08 00:00:00

TILE ADDRE,:s.

About five o'clock the House resumed, when the
Royal Speech was again read by the Loan CHAN-.
moon, f r the turAier infirm ition is; the Peers pre-
sent; and subsecpientli• tilts! by the Clerk at thestable.
The Earl of S HAFTESBU RY then rose to move
an Address on the occasion of the speech delivered
out the part of his Royal Highness the Priace Regent.
He adverted to the leading topics therein, but prin-
cipally in the first instance to the melancholy consi-
deration of the continuance of hie Majesty's unhappy
inckposition. -Upon this part of the subject, and on
the necessity of adopting those measures contempla•
ted in the Royal communication, he was convinced
there could but one sentiment pervade their Lord-
ships.. To this conclusion he was induced by the
consideration of the number of years they had been
blessed with the paternal Government of that best
9f Soveteigns, and especially their escaping from
those various unparalleled calamities which so.many
other nations were scourged with, which were chiefly
to be attributed w the system of measures adopted
by the Goveroment of his Majesty. He was, there-
fore, convinced that with respect to this topic they
•would all be actuated by those sentiments of grati-
tude, affection, and reverence, which the recollection
of such blessings naturallyinspired. They were all
impressed with the conviction that provision should
lic -mot not only suitable, but ample, for the sup-
Fsi of the due •dignity and splendour of his Royal
ighness 's Government, and upon the necessary
, , .
gtuty of that of our afflicted Monarch, keeping in
view a due facility for the resuraptiou of his Royal
Asithority, in case cf the event (f his recovery..—
The thanks and gratitude of the country were.due,
most justly due, to his Royal Highness the Prince
*client, fur his wise and prudent administration of
the Government of the country since the period of
his beinWcared to the exercise of the Royal Func-
tions. The lloble Lord then adverted to those parts
of the speech Which referred to the, belligerent inte-
rests and the foreign relations of the country.. in.
Portugal', he observed, every thing wore the most sa.
tisfactory aspect ; let its present situation be cow.
pared to that which it exhibited towards the closed
las' lion. The - ander Massena, from a me,
dart of the country, had been
iontiers. Our triumph did not
• proved to Eitrope and to the
that element, which the enemy
.. own, he had been frequently
tiered by British armies, conduc.
tders. (Hear, hear.) It was
observed it announced, that the sys-
-sivered in, which facts and expe.
the best adapted to the situ*.
of that country, and through,
deliverance would be effectua-
their eyes to the more distant'
"cy would find nought but
and triumph. Tn consequence
itions which has been adopted,
• importance had been achieved,
• of the enemy was finally ea.
brilliant achievement, and at
icitous union of discipline and 1
the pending discui_sions with'
yet brought to a conclusion,
t means of conciliation would
it with the honour and the in--
After slightly glancing at
in the royal communication,
.fidence that the Pauli anent
'ally, -would zealously support
the arduous contest in which
. the various measures advev.
he movi.d an Address to the
occasion of the same, which,
re leading topics of the speech,
iral terms, the approbation, and
of the House..
W surported the Address. He
ly situation to which our gra..
educed—he expressed his opi.
imbent on the Legislature to
tment for his Majesty's perms.
iment, and to provide fur the
ter, if, at a future period, it
,LNCE to restore him to health.
vever, was to be derived from
yisil Highness the Prince Re.
and arduous an occasion. He
what had fallen from his
ihe aspect of affairs in the Pe-
. it as an auspicious omen, that
idependence appeared to burn
undiminished lustre ! and he
the example of the Peninsula,
, Europe would be ultimately
;lesion, he expressed his confi-
lishiris would cordially unite in
tegentof their determination to
)cr on a plan of operations which
0
exalted pitch the Britishbonour
'the world !
read, and the question put,
_—Esaid, it; wouldhave been most
feelings if the matter of the Speech
'awl att.° have Froward all ,

difference of opinion of,the subject : but he was not all those whlch, as be (Lord L.') contended,
surprised that this was not the case. From some ex- ence had !proved to be utterly unfounded. He shoals
pressions in the Address, none could dissent. That be happy to meet his Lordship on that subject another
part which retested to the afflicting intelligence rela- I time: but he must at present observe, that the safety
tive to the state of his Majesty's health—that which of this country, and the hopes of Europe, depended
announced their fixed deterroination to support his.' in a great measure on the system which the Govern-
' Royal Highness the Prince Regent in administerios Silent had adopted. He knew not what system others
tse great trust reposed in him, in a manner condu- ;alight advise ; but he was pre=pared to-maintain, that
doe to his own honour and the prosperity of these the continuance of the system pursued by Ministers
Realms—had his most hearty concurrence. With I was essential to the safety of the country, and on that
regard to the conduct and valour of our troops and ground he and his colleagues were willing to stand
olfi(ers, he was ready to join his thanks to the a-p- ior fall. The Noble Baron had adverted to another
plause and admiration of Europe. (Hear, hear.)— :topic (the connection of the Government with the
But as to what were the advantages of such valour I Bank), upon which he would be ready to meet him
and conduct, depended upon a consideration of the when the matter came separately before them. He
policy of the Government, unconnected with their would only at present observe, that all the reflection
exertions. Their merits were not founded upon the ,he had been able to give that point, and all the expeo
policy of the Government, ouor were their laurels i Pence he had acquired, Lad only served to convince
to be blighted by the system which their employers him the more of thewisdom and justice of the meaaures
might think proper to pursue. So far he concurred ! which had been adopted. The Noble: Baron, at the
with the Address; hut here, he believed, his concur- close of his speech, had adverted to the subject of
rence ended. To different parts of the rest, his ob- Ireland, and had given notice, that either by himself
jections might be more or less strong ; but to these or some other, the matter would at an early day be
expressions alone, he could give his entire and coin- I brought before their Lordships.
plete approbation. The first day of the meeting of Lord GRENVILLE.-1 did not say it was to be
Parliament, was one, on which it had been usual to i brought forward by me.
give a general outline of the prominent objects which I The Earl of LIVERPOOL observed, he had dis-
were Silo ly to engage the attention of Parliament i tinctly stated, that it was to be either by the Noble Ba-
during the Session ; a practice not only parliamen- run or some other person. As that subject was not
tary, but in the highest degree useful. How far this particularly mentioned in the speech, he (Lord Li-
had been done, their Lordships would judge. But ' verpool) would reserve what he ead to say upon it,
he freely confessed, that if on this day the task bad till it came bef we them as a separate topic tor discus-
bocit iniposed on him, his heart would sink under the sloe. But this much he would now say, on his own
maisnitude of the difficulties to be surmounted.—The part and the part of- his colleagues, that they were
oleeets which he would hare to consider, if he meant / fully prepared to shew the propriety and necessity of
to provide, not for the happiness alone, but even the , the system on which they had acted, and to justify.
safoty of the country, were se numerous, so great, so ! the measures and conduct pursued by the Lord Lieu-
important, that he felt it almost impossible to do jos- , tenant and Government of Ireland as essential to the
Lice to the subject; and if he were to make the at-' safety of the country. He would refrain, however,
tempt, little advantage could at any rate result from I from entering more at length into this and other to-
it, when no distinct steps were to be proposed in con- pics, till they came distinctly and separately before
*spience. It would be in vain, therefore, to trouble their Lordships.
their Lordships at present with a vague, indistinct Earl GREY salvia that he fully concurred in the
statement. He did not even mean to suggest an propriety of ay olditig any lengthened discussion upon
amendment to this Address : but would content him- the various important topics which were suggested
self with protesting in the strongest terms against be- 1 by hearing the Speech which had been read from
ing included in any expressions implying app-oba- I the Woolsack. He entirely approved of the policy
tion of the past, er a pledge of perseverance in the ; pursued by his Noble Frieud. in confining hiniselt,
same system which had of late been acted upon; con- I on the present occasion, to the delivering of his pia-
vinced as be was, that it was only by a total, radical , test against any expression of his opinions bring un-
abandonment of that system, that there existed any ! derstood upon points in which it was impossible I;.r
hope ofsafety for the country. (Hear,hear.) There %vie him to concur—thanking, also, that most of the to-
many topics of the highest importance lightly passed I pics were of such importance as to require a separate
over in the Specchand Address, but which would force and particular discussion. Concurring genersliy in
themselves upon their attention at no distant period. the address which was proposed, he could not retrain
They :nigh': endeavour to shut their eyes, but in spite ,'from joining his Noble Trend—he should feel un-
of their efforts these things would be seen : they ihappy if he departed from that House without de-
might strive to shut their ears, but them things would :`claring, that he ret 'iced all the (Onions heshad be:
be heard. He wished it to be fully understood, that ' fore held, on subjects of great magnitude—spin:on'
he retained all his objections to the system upon confirmed by experience and the evidence of facts—
which the Ministers had acted. He still objsctea to opinions which he should be ready to maintain and
the lavish profusion with which our resources had defend, on future opportunities of discussing them.
been squandered, when they should have been hus- Whether the Noble Secretary of State chose to atiude
banded for a protracted war, of which no one could to the state of affairs with America, en which he had
see the end. He still retained all his objections, and' !shewn much cau:ion, and even silence, and ventured
in their utmost force, to that policy which had inflict- to call our transactions in that quarter, a veriticati
ed a blow on the enemy that had recoiled with Brea- of the assertions that the system of the Government
ter execution on our own commerce and mailutic- had contributed to thesecurity, prosperity, and honour
tares. (Hear, hear.) He still retained his decided aof the country ; or whether he intended to reler to
objections to that system, which united the Bank and the system of our measures in the Peninsula, be
the Government,—( Hear, heard—and enabled the pledged himself that be should be ready to meet him
former to issue base coin and depreciated poper.- and to contend, that whatever might b: said to have
(Near, hear.)—A system, of which the Bank alone been done, had not been done to the promotion of
reaped the profit ; while the guilt and dishonour fell the safety and honour of the country ; and that the
on the Government, and the loss on the public.— general system adopted had been, in fact, the source
(Hear, hear.)—But above all, (his Lordship continu- of almost all our present and impending calamities.
ed) I still retain with ten-fold force all my opinions On the important concerns of the state of Ireland, he
respecting the system which the Ministers haise been must deeply regret that, from the manner of men-
pursuing with regard to Ireland,— ( Hears hear, hear,) tioning it by the Noble Lord, he could derive no
—upon which I cannot trust myself at present to ut- hope, that Ministers had seen the impolicy of their-
ter a single sentence. Your Lordships will observe conduct ; or that they would adopt—he would not
the manner in which this momentous subject has been say, merely wise and liberal measares—but, some
passed over in the Speech and Address. No ample measures more consistent with justice, and with the
view is attempted to be given there of the state of common rights of mankind. No hope could he de-
that country ; nothing is said about the discontents of rive of any useful measure on that subject, so essen-
the people ; but the situation of the revenue—compa- tial to the safety of the coutry ; but, on the contrary,
ratively, a pitiful consideration—is alone introduced. Ministers seemed determined to persevere in what
To that single object, and to none else, is our atten- they considered to be the wisdom and expediency of
tion directed. But these Ministers might have known, adhering to their system for the-future. lie thought
that the way even to make the revenue of a country the House bound immediately to take into their con-
flourish, since that is the only subject of their consi- sideration the treatment of the people of Irel mil, not
&ration, is by increasing its industry—by communi- only with A view to what had already passed, but
eating equal iiglrts,—and giving satisfaction to pub. with a prospective view, for the adoption of such
lic opinion.—( Hear, hear. —I have said more on the timely and just measures as might avert the ruin of
subject than I intended ; but I must further observe, the country. Government, however, he must repasts
that in the present Session, it must be decided, what appeared for any thing he had heard to the contrary,
is to be the relation between Great Britain and Ire- to be resolved on pursuing a system which uou d tisk
land. (Hear, hear.)—The matter will bear no more the destruction of the public safety. He was happy
procrastination,—delusion will no longer avail,—the to learn that a proposition on this subject would spee-
affair is come to a point,—(bear,)—and the majority day be brought before their Lordships, which would
of the people of Ireland must be admitted to an equal bring all its important relations under review. With
share of your privileges, or no longer be considered as these observations he could be content toreserve him-
men enjoying the advantages of British subjects. I self fur future opportunities, but for one singular as-
should not have thought myself justified in toucoing sertion of the Noble Lord, that lie trusted that the
so slightly on this momentous topic this day, were it House and the public, would concur in supporting
not that the subject will be brought separately before the Government of the Prince Reiscut, in pursu ince
your Lordships at an early period,—probably next of the sentiments contained in the del a__ress. \Vas it
week. lam glad to give this notice to your Lordships to be conceived, that in opposing measures of admi•
both for your sakes and my own : on your own ac- nistration which he thought were fraught with dan-
count, my Lords, that you may come to the conside- ger and min, he was withholding that support which
ration of this question with all that preparation which was-necessafy to the Prince Regent in has conduct
its magnitude deserves ; and on my own account, of the Government of this kingdom ? No, be the
because it is my apology for not having entered more Ministers whom they might, lie would give them his
fully into the merits of a subject the most important support in what was Just and necessary for the con-
di it. can at present occupy the attention of the United duct of .the Govertunent—but, it impolitic, unjust,
Parliament. and ruinous measures were proposed or acted upon,
The Earl of LIVERPOOL was always anxious his duty to that House, to the public, and to the
that the Address should be carried with unanimous Prince Regent himself, would certainly induce him
concurrence, and more particularly anxious that this to raise his voice as loudly as he could against them.
should be the case on the present occasion : but he He said this more especially, because it \yes not pes-
os-Gold not purchase unanimity in support of the Ad- 'sible for him, though he did not oppose the present
dress, by a sacrifice of principle or policy. The Noble address, to recede from the opinions which lie had
Lord had truly said, that it had been the custom to previously delivered on many subjects of the greatest
give a general view of the state of public affairs, at and most essential interest to the nation.
the opening of a Session, though, for particular rest- I The Earl of DAkNLE Y adverted to tlfb state Of,
sons, some things might at times be omitted. But a Ireland, aad the question relative to the Catholics.'
general view of our foreign relations had certainly There was now an opportunity to do what would be
been given, and no expectations of unanimity could beneficial, with a good grace. He thought that the
have induced him to retrain from bringing thefte be. late exemplary conduct of the Catholics of Ireland,
fore their Lordships. He would not now enter into under ciicums:ances of great irritstion, ought to
any derail ; the Noble Baron opposite (Grenville), make its due impression on their Lordships' minds.
having
confined himself to a general protest against He recommended them to beware, lsst they might
the system upon which Ministers had acted. On that lose the only opportunity that might be afforded
subject, the ]Noble Baron said, that he stilt maintain- them. !
ed every-opinion that he had before held ; not
.only The Duke of NORFOLK adverted to tebet-had
such as experience might have proved to be titles but been said respecting the neuicinamtettoisig amigo.

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tinned in the Speech. He had been in Parilium nt
SO years, and he knew that it was a parliduicilt ity
practice to submit amendments, not iterely on points
of the Speech, but on such as veer., ornitt,d in it. It
might be very proper and parliamentary to move an
Amendment to the Address, stating that the Houw
' would take immediately into its consideration die
; state of Ireland, in order to bring forward such meet.
' sum as m gin be necessary and useful fur that tem.
Itry, and the kingdom at large. He did not mean,
that certain recent transactions in Ireland should be
the subject of such an inquiry, conside:iog them not
as of the immediate essence of the question, but re
Cher as measures of police and regulation, which it
was not necessary for Government to bring forward,
nor for Parliament at present to take up, particularlf
as such matters were in the course of coming into the,
Courts of law, to be decided there by Judges amp
in; ies. His Grace did not mean to animadvert ups.
what was a pending question of law. But the Se;
leretary of State had gone a little farther. He had,
iif he understood him rightly, intimated, tit.it he.
!would raise his voice from one end of the land
tto the other, in support of the sentiments in the Ad.
dress to the Prince Regent, pledging them ro support
this Government. As he had defended the whole
syste:n of the Ministry, his Grace wished to knnw
what this sort of call . Was it a call similar
to
melr
ir
that ',L o
ich was excited the cuntry sonic time
a4o, when the present Min y came into per i
, They might call fiery spirits, but lie hoped they would
not come op ; if they did come, the call woad tally
I
in dectruction.

The Earl of LIVERPOOL sail, that lie had
not objected to therier• of m.iving Amend.
ment on points ovnitßin. lhe Noble ha.' n.is.
understood him. When lie h.e.i f the i:(!..p:s
throughout the country, he bad leterence to 11W ge.
neral support by the le, of the Govertinv..l
the Prince Regent, anon: sa!ety and honour of the
country.
Lord GRENVILLE said, that die whin t ion.(
the Noble Lord called upon Han in say a few words
more, and to ask whether the N. hue Lunt elo'ngiit it
WAS necessary for him to tall nth • people this ugh.
snit the country to support the G•merninelit o the
Prince Regent. He (Lord Grenville.) wool.l d,40,
that it was not. For himself, he had re; reused bis
concurrence in the desire of Patli.etneut to ettpp It
the Prince Regent in the &schist's, of the awful du.
ties of the high station which hid b.-en cast tapes
him; but an insinuation seemed to have b•cn cos-
i .eyed, which the circumstances neither streaked net
:excused.

The Earl of LIVERPOOL intended no inimta.
tion. Had he suppcsed that there were persons who
were not disposed to support the Governoneet of ills
Prince Regent, in what he believed to be fin Cie oily
and honour of the country, he should not have spokes
in the way of insinuation. In what he said, which
was alluded to by the Noble Baron, he was refetrittg-
to the foreign policy of this country. It was in that
view of the subject he stated, that he believed Mons.
ters had the opport of the great majority of the.
country from one end to the other.
The Address was then agreed to rim dim.
!UPLAND. •

Earl rrrzWILLIAM then rose, and gave unties
Of a motion respccung the affairs of Ireland fur Fri.
day pennighr.

On the motion of the same Noble Ear), the Lords
were ordered to be summoned for that ti.l).

pared to that Which it exl.
last Session. The army
racing position in the heal
driven beyond the (sonde
and there, the result pr
world, that even Upon tha
seemed totonsider as his
and effectually conquered
ted by British Commande
with pleasure, he observe(
tem was to be persevere,
rience had shewn to be th
Lion and circumstances of
which, he trusted, its deli
ted. If they tuined the
parrs of the world, the
gr. unds for satisfaction an
of the system of operatic
tongues's of the utmost im
and the culonial power d
tinguished, by a most br
one blow, through a felic
valour. With respect to t
America, they were not 3
but heist-as confident all r
be resorted to, consistent
txrests of the country.
the remaining topics in
and expressing his confi
itn its wisdom and loyalp
his Royal Highness in th
be was engaged, and in t:
ted to in the speech, he
Prince Regent on the oc
as usual, adverted to the
and sign if) ing, in g,,neral
pxoniiiing the support of
Lord BROWN LOW'
lamented the melancholy
lions Sovereign was reds
awn, that it was incuml
snake.a suitable arrarigen
ti tl cofnlirt at the mono
resntnption of his powe
rucid kfease PUOVIDLNI
h' consolation, howe'
itie conduct of his Roy,
•
gent on so delicate and
wrfealy concurred in
Mk Friend, as to the
and he hailed it
ifOrtcli spiri t of rode
tkrdtiVeut Spain with t
Mit 'That through ti
the cause of bleeding I
triumphant. In conclui
Bence that their Lordthi
assuring the Prince Reg
attpport him in carrying
hdd raised to such an ex
amongst the nations of t
Tate Address being re
Lord GRENVILLE
satisfactory to his feelin
asid Address had-bear'