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London, England, 1806-06-18 00:00:00

PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS.

HOUSE OF LORDS, TUESDAY, JUNE z 4•

Strangers were for fome time eacluded during a difculEon In
the Committee of Privileges.
After the doors were opened, the Houfe proceeded further in
the Appeal " Graham 9. the Countefs Dowager of Glencairn," dur.
tog which Lord Ellenborough fat for the Lord Chancellor. The
Lord Advocate of Scotland was again, in part, heard for the Ref.
pendent. Further hearing on Monday next.
The LORD CHANCELLOR having taken the Woolfsek,
Mr. G. Eyre, Mr. Joddrell, Sir Wm. Curtis, Mr. Alexander, and
revere) other Members of the Haute of Commons, brought up
kale private bills' which were read a firft time.
A period from Greenwich Hofpital prdcnted frveral papers, in
purfuance of an Order of the Hoofs, which were ordered to lie on
the table and to be printed.
The IriOt Malt Duty Bill, and the Dublin Paving Bill, palled
through Committees. and were reported.
On the motion of the Earl of A BOYNE, their I.ordfhips were
ordered to be fummoned to attend on this day re:might.
MR ARMY.

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On the Order of the Day for the third reading of
the Mutiny Bill,
Lord HAWKESBURY rote and oppofed the prin-
ciple and detail of the meafure at confiderable length,
and particularly urged the policy of extending the
whole of the propofed fyllem to the prefent regular
force of the country. The Noble Lord concluded
with moving, that inflead of the terms of feven, four-
teen, and twentrone years, propofed in the bill, the
words " for and duringthe termof twenty one years,"
be inferred.
Lord LAUDERDALE obferved, that the great
advantage of this plan was. that it comprehended
perfons difpofed to engage in a military life upon al-
moll any terms. It gave every man the option
of fusing for a limited time, and of gratifying his
willies by entering for a fecond time at the expiration
of the firft. It followed, therefore, that a great in-
ducement was held out to the man fond of unlimited
as of limited fervice. But was it, he would afk, in
the nature of things, nr confiftent with the difpofition
of man, that unlimited fervice fhould be preferred to
limited fervice in the army or any condition of life ?
If the Noble Lords oppofite to him were to under-
nand that they would be limited, or bound for so
or even (even years to the benches which they now
occupied, without the option or hope of fitting dur-
ing either of thofe periods on the Treafury Bench.
be may venture to fay, that thole benches would be
foon thinned, if not completely deferred. This, ob-
ferved his Lordfhip. was not a new principle ; limit-
ed fervice had beets known and praflifed in the (even
years and American wars with the greateft fuccefs.
With the experience of its advantages before us: it
would be propnftetous indeed if the Legiflature did
not adopt and fanCtion a meafure fo highly beneficial.
In corifionation of the fuccefs with which it was like-
ly to he attended, the Noble Lord read a letter from
General Campbell, Dating, that at Plymouth, Chat-
ham, and other places. the recruiting of the Royal
Marine fervice for a limited term had gone on with
unexampled luccefs, not only in point of numbers, but
in the appearance and charafter of the men vilified.
As to the objeelion taken by the Noble Lord, with re-
(pee todrafting,it was well known that when a regiment
was ordered to a diftant clime, or on foreign fervice,
that there were always individuals belonging to that
regiment, who, from age or other caufes, were in-
capable of encountering the fatigue of a voyage, or
the heat of the climate to which the regiment was
dellined, and who were, therefore, drafted into other
regiments. If this meafure was carried into effeet,
he did not believe that there would be at any time
more men to draft on account of their terms of fee-
vice being near expiring, than there were now for
other caufes. Another obj_Ction had been taken by
the opponents of this meafure, as to the expence with
whirh it would be attended; and, he mutt fay, that
this had been mat unfairly argued. Thofe who had
argued on this ground, had included in their eflimate
the penfions given to difabled and retired foldiers,
when it mull be evident that thefe penfions were what
foldiers difabled by wounds or age, were juftly en.
titled to, as a provilion for the remainder of their
hies, and that they formed a ftrong inducement on
the fide of the recruiting fervice. He would not de-
tain the Houle by entering into any further difcuflion
of the fobjeel, the arguments urged on the other fide
had already been fully and completely snfwered. He
Mould therefore merely declare his determination to
oppofe the Amendment.
Lord HAW KESBURY, in explanation, laid he
had no knowledge whatever of the Order alluded to
by tl.e Noble Earl.
The Earl of SUFFOLK highly approved of the
principle of limited fervice, but willed the first term
to be for ten years, and the fecond for four, instead of
the arrangement made in the bill.
Lord WESTMORLAND 'aid, that he had re-
ferred to the Acts of Parliament mentioned by a
Noble Lord (Spencer) on a former night, in fupport
of limited fervice, and he found that the molt of
them applied to the prefs Service, and not to enlift-
ment for the regular army. Having read molt of the
proofs to which the Noble Lords on the oppofite fide
, had referred him, and having alto duly confidered
all the arguments which he had heard on'ahis fubjelt,
he mull confer; that he Dill remained of opinion, that
the prefent was, at belt, a hazardous experiment ; and
denied any knowledge of the Order to which the
Noble Earl (Lauderdale) had alluded. He fupported
the Amendment.
The quellion war then put, that the word " feven"
Rand part of the Bill, which was carried. The Bill
was palled, and a Ntlrage feat to the Houk of Com-
mons to acquaint them therewith.
CH fiLSEA H SPITAL •LLow•wcas SILL.
The Houle refolved itfelf into a Committee on the
Chelfca Allowances Bill.
A long convert:slims coined, in which the Earl of
W ESTM (IRELAND, Lord HAWKESBURY,the

Duke cf CUMBERLAND, and Lord ELLION, re.
quelled 'nation from Noble Lords on the other
' fide as to the probable amount of the allowances to
be itTned, and contended that it was unprecedented
0 bring in a Bill of this nature before Parliament
wi:botit come previous edimate of the amount of the
clot nce.
Lord C RENVILLE, the Earl of ROSSLYN, the
Earl of CAERNARVON, Lord AUCKLAND,
and the EArl of LAUDERDALE contended, on the
other hand, that it was impoffible to make an Wises
of an expence, the amount of which mud depend
upon luny e eafoaliiec and contingencies, and that the
only rihket of the Eill was to girt the fuldier a legal
talc to receive thug': allowances, iwLich might be