Star.
London, England, 1809-02-16 00:00:00

No. IV.

" MY DEAR MRS. CLARKE,
" I write this to thank you for your attempt-to serve me, al-.
ough it has not been successful. I beg, if possible, that you will
contrive to meet me on Tuesday next.
" Dear Mrs. Clarke, your s,
No. V.

" 11• M. CLAVERING:

" MY Dial MIL CLAnni...-1 Wish you would see respecting
the new regiments. " a sa. CLAVEIUNO."

Mr. LEACH objected to the reading of Mr. El-
derton's letters now, as they only referred to a Pay-
mastership, which might not have been obtained
through the. Duke of Toth.. At all events, it would-
be best to tali in Mrs. Clarke, and.ask her that gees
thin.

Mrs. CLARKE Calkd in, and examined by
- lir. WARDLE.

Q. By whose interference did you get the Paymas-
tership for Elderton ? A. The Duke applied to
Greenwood to get it for him, very much against Green-
wood's wishes. —Q. Was it on a military• subject that
the Baroness Nolcken wrote to you ? A.
On what subject was it ?

The witness was ordered to t‘ithdraw.

Mr. LEACH, we believe, objected to the question,
but he was nearly inaudible.
Sir G. WARRENDER said, that many que';tions
had been asked during the enquiry on subjects not
merely military, as in the case of 1)r. O'Meara, and
he slid not see why the usual course should now be
stopped.
Mr. BATHURST said, that if the application
from the Baroness Nolcken related to a civil appoint-
ment, it could not possibly be admitted as evidence on
an inquiry which was purely of a military nature.
Sir GEORGE WARRENDER was still of opi
nion, that the question was as proper .as many others
that had been put in the course of this investigation.
Mr. LEACH observed, that Mrs. Clarke had al-
ready.answered that the appointment solicited by Ba-
roness rgleken, was not a military one, and as the
present investigation was merely military, conse-
quently that the question was not a proper one to be
pressed.
Lord FOLKESTONE was forcibly struck Ad; the
objection started by the Learned Gentlg*Ln upon the
floor (Mr. Leach), and therefore thought, Ikat with
a view to discharge the duty they ()Jived the.rtblic,
the Chairman should be instructed, on the breaking
up of therCommittee, to move for an enlargetnent of •
its powers.
Mrs. Clarke was then called in and asked—
Q. Did you, iii consequence of the Baroness Nolc-
ken's letters, apply to the Duke of York on the subject
to which the letters referred ? A. I did ; but I do
not know whaethe subject is, as the Baroness had
several wishes. I Mewed all the letters to
You stated that the- Duke of York procured the Pay-
mastership against the wish of Mr. Greenwood ; how
do you know that ? A. His Royal Highness told me
so. Very likely Mr. Greenwood will say so too.
On the suggestion of Mr. LEACH, the letters were
sheivn to Mrs. Clarke, to *certain whether they were
in the hand-writing of Baroness Nokken. The wit;
ness declared Nos. 41 and 119 to be the hand-writing
of the Baroness; but stated No. 127 to be that of her
eldest son.

Q. (By Mr. LEACH.) Did you ever see her eldest
son write ? A. I think I have, but I am not positive.
I only know that the Baroness has told me that her
eldest son used to write letters frequently for her.
Q. (by Mr. STURGESS Botlisr.) I wish to know
whether this letter, which you now say is the hand-
writing of th Baroness's eldest son, was not one of
those you before said was the hand-writing of the
Baroness ? A. Yes, but you must allow that I had
not a moment to look over it. I had sent them with
others down to be burnt, and never thought that they
wouldjle brought forward, and that is near twelve
months sinee.--Q. Do you mean the Baroness's
eldest son. Mr. Lemaitre A. No; I mean Gustavus

Nolcken.—Q. Have ritt ever seen him write
Yes, I think I have, but I am not positive.
Q. (By a Member.) Do you mean to say that
letters were written about twelve months ago ?
No. I suppose the dates will shew when they w
written. 14 last Do you 4cne* the. h.,,1
;3Niieing-Wafter roets ?. A. MI
was acquainted with two sons of 'the Baroness :
as. itasiaa4aatiist -tlie Inunger lived with
mother, and I 0;4. to ibe .. very .much with inc..
Thep...von .t-Vift(it' a positive as -to :the Inind-w;
tof any one in. rittioniar ? A.' No, /*cannot. Ptr:l
it may be-the hxnd-nritlng of the Baron, as lie
to write letters for the Baroness.
Q. (By the CHAtramr.on of the ExeitEoi.--,,R.
short. yod •dbret.knovr whose htincl.writing ti:c
is ? A. I.dtin't know perfectly. • khardly have k
at it, but I know • the subject of it. The Barr
wished to obtain a.pension of A. 400 a-ye;;r.
recollect right, that was the business to which
ter related.

The witness was here ordered • to withdntw rn
motion of Mr. LEACH, who observed, that it
the Committee to decide wh.tther the letter
w, s
tlenceiand-tmtil the ComMittee should so decid, ,
it. was improper for the witness, to state the sal,
of it. lie therefbre shOUld• move that the last :{r.
be expunged, as ir the letter should .be decidLd
evidence, it would be read as such.
• Sir THOMAS TURTON was of opinion, than
answer might not to be expenrd.
Mr. CHARLES ADAMS thought, that, n,
letter had, amongst others; been. referred last ni.,71
atommittee, to ascertain which related to the '
ness then in a course •of investigation, and hau
produced by that Committee, he could not see v.
should not he read• as evidence.
--The -GHAT RMA.N.,.referring to the report c:
Committee, stated, that the Committee had not :
any. opinion, whether the letters are now, or were
after,•to -be considered; admkiible evidence.
Mr. C. ADAMS considered them as admi
evidence.

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Sir T.. TURTON declared, that unless norm
tierstandit‘g..should be come to about it,
feel it his duty to take the sense of the Commit.
the question for expunging the last answer,
Honourable Member should persist in presin7
The.answer 'was allowed to remain:on the Mi
The Letters of Mr. Elberton were then read
Friday, January
" My dear Madam—Nothing should induce me to
on your attention at the present moment, but the natural
of a -parent for the welfare of s child. My son Charier.,
*fine youth, has finished his edutation, and has obtained
ship in an Infantry *egiment in the esdia service. • I ha,
quest, as a particular favour, that you will have the kin,
beg of his.Rpyal Highness the Duke of York to recommi
to Lord William lientiss‘k and. Sir John Craddock, and
Royal Highness Will request. those.Generils to allow rnl
exchange from the Infantry to the Cavalry. This intern
mr dear Madam, I shall esteem as a distinguished ohl
and it will ever.be impressed on the mind of Charles v
liveliest sense of gratitudea--I remain your's most sinetn
"
" Greenwood has heats from Scotland; all is over
• quarter."
" To Mra. Clarke, &c."

Ftbrtm
" My dear Madatn..—You are a stranger to anxiety, as
you ever Will be, or! do net think you would have left
Saturday without haVing Informed me of the result of your ,
Lions in favous of my son. Charles. Darden, I-beseech-you,
impatieace of a father, whose rmtlety-Is raised for the intern•
a beloved son. His Royal Highness, I understand, will be
on Monday evening; probably you will be enabled to oln.
answer and forward it to ms• on Tuesday morning.
" Your's, most sincerely, my dear Madam,
"To Mrs. Clarke, Btc." " Hamar ELDER

• - " Api
" Sir—lt is infinite!y beyond my power to express my
gratitude for the favour your Royal Hlghntss has beengi
pleasekto grant my son, and for having obtained leave of
tor him from Sir Robert Abercrombie. Your Royal Hit
coudescensionand goodness' has made an indelible imprec
my n.iud, and will be ever felt with gratitude. I am, Sir
(Signed) • " Hasty ELnei
" To His Royal Highness the Duke of York."
The letters of Baroness Nolcken were then
The first was signed M. Noleken, and datec.
gate,express'ng a hope that his Majesty would
uue to the Baron the same kindness which

manifested towards him for forty years past.

The next was as follows
Dear Madam,.

5,..e by the Papers of yesterday, that the-Duke
had an interview with the King, and that Mr. Pitt had al:
Terence: I atn anxious to know how my letter was receit
was there, and am full of antiety to knew the result.

sand tharlic for the carp you have soat me.—Yours, &c.

"To Mrs. Clarke., (Signed) "M. i%lot.c
The CHANCEI.I.CR of the EXCHE(
threw it out as a matter for the consideration
Committee, that the letter addressed to the D
otk had not been sealed. It appeared to hay
intedded for the Duke, but committed to the
of lifts. Clarke.
--The CHAIRMAN having asked whether al
letters were to be read, and it appearing that ni
were then to be produced,
THOMAS WALKER was called in and exami
by Mr. WARDLE.

Q. Have you lived with Mrs. Clarke in G:
ter:place, as footman ? A. I have.--Q. Do
collect a footman of the name of Samuel Car:
lived there ? A. Yes.—Q. Was he in the ci
habit of waiting at dinner while you was then
Yes.—Q. Do you know Miss Taylor ? A. YI
--Q. Have you frequently seen her at Q 10;
place ? A. Yes.—Q. Do you know rat
Carter-was in the Imbit of going 'o6lnd:the c
A. He was.

Q. (By Lord FoutssroxE)—Were you head
man at Gloucester-place ? A. I was.---Q. Ho'
horses were kept? A. Sometimes six and soi
eight.—Q. How many carriages ? A.
Were there never more ? A. Not at one tim,
Do you know who provided the carriages ?
Clarke.—Q. Did she pay the bills ? A. As
know, she did.—Q. Did she pay them throe
A. No, not through me.
- Q. (By Mr. Yonim).—Did Samuel Cartel
livery ? A. No; he did not.--Q. Did he
table ? A. He did ?—Q. How do you kno'
A. I waited the tame time.—Q. Did y
wait when the Duke of York was at Gh

place ? A; I did.—Q. Did you wear'a lives
you waited at table ? A. I did not.
Q. By Mr. CHARLES Anama.r—Did Sam,
ter attend behind the carriage, without w.
livery ? A. Yes, he did.—Q. Had Mrs. Cl
livery servants ? A:-Yes,-her footman.-12.
wear a livery when ;( u drove the carriag
certainly did.

••
rite
lived
o‘.
y that ti.t.
ago ? A
they wcre ohs
the. har..d.
A. Mr. 1•
:mess:
tcl with Li,
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the L'Niiia;tiis,
•n read :
tanuary Ish. te
me to trt.pal
natural att:::cy V
x‘!",:, is
rained a Cat'et-
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the kindct.--s
,ecommzt:d tut 2
ck, and that Lis
tlow my S.JII t,
his inv.:l:Cal:nu,
bed obligation ; 1
tutees with
t sincirtly,
Is over in chi
February 2.
itiety, as I tr..st
we left town ca
alt of your (tier.
iessiechiou, tlt
t the interettzi
,will be in
led to obtain an
I
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Madam,
ELDERTON."
" April 17.
mess my sei,.e
beenErneim..iy
leave of absence
loyal Highness's
le impression (a
I am, Sir, &c.
ELDERTO
re then real.
d dated Mat-
would corn:.
ohich he had
past.
r'Duke of 'VA
A had also it tit.
as received, wl.t.
result. A tiles-
ws, &c.
F. Not.cr.LN."
:CHEQUER
:ration of 112
) the Dulzo. or
to have 1)0:7:
:o the custody
:ther anymore
that no mere
I examined
e in Glouc.-;.-
. Do you
tel Carter v.•:.,)
the coristat.:
is there ? t•
A. Yes, I C--
11 GIOUCe!,•c.T.
rat i
earri,:gti
)U head coac.-
Q. How mare
and somcrim.
A. Two.—i:`
one timc.—
ges ? A. I\ Li •
As far at
through
Carter wc:r
id he wait
DU know that'
Did you cv•::
it Glouceit..
livery
Samuel C.::
lilt w.mi
rs. CI Lrloi
Did
rriag • ? L

0. (By a Matutt).—mere Carted
li'e'd before he lived with Mrs. Cl trice ? A.. 1 underi.;
stood he lived with Captain Sutton xeiti yiki ever
;:e Samuel Carter with Captain sutton ? As. I did
rat....p. When you said that he lived with Captain
you mean as a servant ? A. 1 did not.---Q,
iitton, did
When Srmuel Carter lived at 1%-irs. Clarke's,- did he
dine with the other servants ? A. As far as I know,
I,ei Q. Did you dine wir.h the other servants ?
I did not.—Q. Were you cm board wages.? A. I
Did you ever hear whose son Samuel Car-
ter was supposed to be ? A. I never How
many men-servaiits did Mrs. Clarke keep at Glou-
cester-place ? A. Sometimes six, sometimes. seven.
Q. ( I3y Mr. W A RDLE. ) Do you recollect that
1.1;s, Taylor dined at Gloucester-place when , yot•
viitcd at table ? A. Yes, I recollect that when _ his
Ro-ai Highness and Clarke dined together,
there was another lady tlicre.—Q. Do you know who
e'l it other lady was ? A. I do not.—Q. Do you
roan m s.!y that you do not recollect Miss Taylor ?
I do not recollect her.—Q. Do you know Miss
layur ? A. I o now.—Q. Are you certain you
o'er sav: her at Gloucester-place ? A. I am certain

ietifiicierntinn dye doh if qr
he-dsdnihi that the vette& of loiratdify deslight
be attained without eipUesigiitt Atte itv
entry upon the minutes that Alle'ivitnidss ts `ila
time of his examinationa. in 4..stivte kof itstotit 4tidd.
Mr. DENNIS BROWNE ttuditsttlod *:ftntilse
to be pursues by the Right HbitolPiliblefflibildafill
to be, that a minute should!bsi•itialb siiitttof
the witness when be 'give his ttistioiesty..,'Th6re
could be no objection to such a it wjis iv-
collected that the witness had Mien irderia-uFwith-
drAw froM the bar,. in contequenset of brag intexitttili,'
by the motion of on Honournble Afenthi#.-L.l(Loild
general peals of laughter:)—He repeated'dist the wit.;
ness • was intoxicated, and-. unless 'the 'lo;mmittee
should agree to the entry upon the minutes •tillhat ,
circumstance, he should vote for the motion tote:ex-*1
punging the whole of that Witness's evidence from the),
minutes. .

I have.
0, (By Sir JOH:: SgABRIGHT.) DO. you know what
c;tie! Carter was with Captain Sutton A. I never
fe.„,,%—Q, Don't you know that he was not a ser-
v„tt ? A. Ido not.
c (By a MENiar.a.) How long had you liv#d with
qtr,, ke ?A. Three years.—Q. With whom do
Uve ? A. With Mrs. Clarke.
•
w.ts ordcted.to withdraw, but recalled
to be ,I.•7:ined.
a (b. the ATTOIZNEY GENTRAt. ) When did you
t‘i live with Mrs. Clarke ?- A. When his
ltuUgliness went to live at Gloucester place.—
Q.'llave )ou lived constantly there ever since i A.
have 11.0 L—Q When did you leave her service ?A.
After Mrs. Clarke left Gloucester-place.—Q. When
did von return to her service ? A. About sir weeks
ar,r0....-$2. Have you lived with her at any time be-
tween the time when she left Gloucester-place, and
the time when you returned to her service six weeks
ago? A. for a short time after she left G loucester-
place.
Q. (By a Member.) Did Samuel Carter frequent-
ly go out behind the carriage ? A. Not more than
once or twice.—Q. How long did Samuel Carter live
2t Mrs. Clarke's. ? A. I think about twelve months,
to the best of my recollection.
The witness was then ordered to withdraw, when-
William M'Dowall was called in, and examined
Q. (By Mr.WaitoeE.) Have you lived as footman
Gloucester-place ? A. I have.--9. Do you re-
collect the name of any other footman who lived there
2t the same time ? A. Ido ; his name was Carter.
—Q. Have you and Samuel Carter worked together?
A. Yes, we have.—Q. Do you know Miss 'I aylor ?
A. I know a tidy of that name, hut as there are.
/Noy more of the namf!, I cannot sty that I recol-
levt.—Q. Do you recollect the lady who went to
Weybrilge with Mrs. Clarke? A. I • do.—Q. Do
:collect that she has been at Gloucester-place is
VLII as at Weybridge ? A. I cannot say that I know
11,1:tdy was called by the name of Taylor.—Q. Do
I, a retilTi2ct the lady of whom you spoke as Miss
Tii.yc,r who went to Weybridge,
,being at Glouces-
t,:r-plAcc ? A,. Yes, I clo.—Q.tDo you recollect Miss
:sing at Weybridge when the Duke of York
? A. She might have been there for any
Li-,

,1;;.
P':~ .

.......
(by Lord PALM ERSTON ) Was Samuel Carter
e:lir!:...ei.l in any other manner at Mrs. Clarke's ex-
cel): in at table ? A. Yes, he was employed as
a whilst I was in the House, and was a ser-
v,:l t ;is far as I know..—Q. Did he-dine with the
ctker s::riants ?A. Yes, he did. _ _ .

Q. (iiy t MEgIiER) Was Carter in theianwcapa-
,ervant as yourself ? A. I supcose so, as he
h: d done work along with me ; ;hat is all I can say—
Q.l)ti you now live with Mrs. Clarke ? A. I do not.
Was Samuel Carter m place new, ? A. Yes, lit
rsls.—Q. With whom ? A. With a Mr. Johnson,
!)..What year did lie hie with Carter at Mrs. Cl.ake's?
Ves.—(4/augh.)—Q. What year ? A. He could
r.-t recollect.

O;1 the moti-un of Colonel VEREKER, the witness
tv:!s ordered to withdraw.

Mr. C. ADAMS stated, that though the witness
was in a state of intoxication, •he had given his evi-
dence in a clear and intelligible manner. - -
Mr. WHITBREAD stated, that the •videttee, if
left on the minutes, would-spenk for itself. • •
Mr. SUMNER, acceding to the propositiOn of the
Right Honourable Gentleman (the Chancellorof the
Exchequer,) begged leave to withdraw his motion:
The CHANCELLOR.of the EXCHEQUER ob,
served, that the Committee was in a state' in which
they ought to decide whether the evidence was or was
not to be allowed to *main without some particular
notice upon the Minutes. It the witness was compe-
tent to give consistent and satisfactory evidence, he
should not have been ordered from the Bar whilst un-
der examination by a Member ; and if he was in. such
a state as to require his being removed from the Bar,
then his evidence ought not to be suffered to remain
on the Minutes without the entry which he had sug-
gested. Besides, if it appeared that he was drunk
when he received the summons to attend, he could
net he punished for disrespect to the House; not hay...!
in.; had time to sober himsey since,yloud lauglater.)
.'Colonel VEREKER contended, that it was ob-
vious to every Member about the Bar, that the wit-
ness was in a state of intoxication. In such a state
his testimony would not be admitted in any Court of.
Justice, and ought not therefore to be admitted 'in
that, the highest judicial tribunal.
Mr. ELLISON.—If ever he had known anything
of the rules of evidence, he had lost it since the com-
mencement of this inquiry. It had been said that the
witness was drunk, but that he could not observe.—
The witness had not given-as flippant answers as other
witnesses had, who had not. been Inspected of being
drunk. At all events, it %Yas beneath the dignity of,
the House, whose conduct was flow before-the coml..
try, to take any notice of the circumstance.
Admiral HERVEY had attended to the evidence,
and the %violets did not appear to him to be-in a state
to preclude him from giving testimony:
The CHANCELLOR .of the EXCHEQUER
observed that, if it Was the opinion of the Committee
that the 'witness was not intoxicated, he ought not to
have been ordered •to withdraw before he had been
fully examined. •
Mr. DENNIS BROWNE argued, that the Witness
either was drink, or •he was not drunk ;—(a laugh.)
if he was drunk, his evidence ought to be expunged ;
if not, he ought to be again eiamnicd:
Mr. FULLER, as there seemed to be such a va-
riety of opinions on the subject of the state of the wit-
ness, thought that the best way would be to-have him
in again, and thus to give him fair Pl:ty. (r/laugh.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
rpeated, that if the Committee was agreed that the
man was not drunk, he ought to be called in to have
his examination finished:
Mr. BATHURST said, that if the witness was to
be called in again, he should be examined only as to
his previous sobriety, without adverting to what he
might have drank since he withdrew.
Mr. BLIGH stated, that if the witness shcnld be
called in aenin, he would put the same question to
him as lie.had done before.
Witness called in and examined* Mr. Et,imr.
Q. In what year did you live with Samuel Carter
at Mrs. Clarke's ? A. Ido not recollect. My me-
mory fa'is me.—Q. Was it in the year 1806 ? A. I
do not recollect.—Q. Can't you make a guess ? A. I
can partly.—Q. What was the year ? A. I don't
recollect. As Ido not remember, I can't say as to a
day.—Q. You said that you could recollect the year
partly ; now can you recollect the year partly or
wholly ? A. No, I cannot.—Q. Was it four years
ago ? A. I don't recollect.- Q. Was it six years
ago ? • A. If I could recollect, I should have no oc-
casion to say I did not.—Q. Did Carter wear a li-
very at Mrs. Clarke's ? A. No, he did not during
my time.—Q. When was it that yeti quitted Mrs.
Clarke's' service ? A. I cannot answer that question,
because I do not recollect the time. I did not set
down the time.—Q. At what time did you receive
the summons to attend this House ? A. I do not
recollect. I did not set even that doWn. I know on
What day I got the notice to come.
Q. (By Colonel VEREICER.) At what time did you
get the notice to come here ? A. I received notice to
attend this House, and I have attended accordingly.
—Q. When ? A. I received one on MOnday, and
one this afternoon.
The witness was then ordered to withdraw, and
CoIoneIVEDEKER appealed to his answers whether they
d:d not bear cut the statement that the Witness was
drunk ?
Mrs. FAVOURITE examined by Mr. WARbI.E.
Q Did you live as housekeeper with Mrs. Clarke
at Gloucester-place ? A. Yes.—Q. Do you recollect
a footman of the name of Samuel Carter there ? A.
I do.—Q. Was he in the habit of waiting at table
when the Duke of York and Mrs. Clarke and their
company dined there ?A. Yes.—Q. Do you know
Miss Taylor? A. Yes.—Q. Was she in the habit of
dining at Gloucester-place with the Duke of York
and Mrs. Clarke ? A. Yes, Sir.—Q. Do you recollect
any thing of a note that was changed before the I
Duke of York left town to go to Weymouth, and Mrs. •
Clarke went to Worthing F A. Yes, I do.
Q. State what you know of that note ? A. I know
drat the Dike of York's servant came one evening,
when I gave him the note, but I do not know the
number or Mount of it. He returned about eleven
o'clock with the change, which I took up stairs to
Mrs. Clarke to her bed room, where the Duke .of
York was tin short, they were in'bed together.-- .:
Who war the servant ? A. Lodowick, a Otifiel4 .
Q. Was Samuel Carter in the habitof doing Writ

Uonet VEREKER stated his object to be to I
till the attention of the Committee to the state in;
..kit the witness had come to the bar. The witness
41-,‘:tred to be drunk, and in such case it became the
1-!,,‘ to make an example of such a person. ( cry
•hiV "'Ave!)
On the question being put that Mrs. Favourite be

-,I.7MNER expressed his stsrpri•.e that the
Cc,:i.n.;;tt.2e had not resorted to some proceeding on
I;.e,,n;y.,,estion of the Honourable Member. ( Hear !
) At all events, if it was the opinion of the
(f.nrlittee that the witness was drunk, be was of
n that his evidence ought to be expunged from

'•ir. BATHURST admitted that it must have

to every Gentleman, particularly th. st
near the bar, that the witness had taken more
than he ought. but he-had given his evidence
my as any other witness who had been exa-
*•: :1.2d at the bar ; and he thought it beneath the dig-
of th:: House to take any notice of the state in
hu was.

;:ITMNER then moved, that the evidence of
,•
.st witness be expunged from the minutes. This
.!!e flare necessary, as the Cianutiaee seemed
th:it he ~,•as drunk, and he had been suffered
t • f:iiidraw without any censure.
THOMAS TU R'I'O?: begged the Hon. Gen-
!f) reconsider his motion, as it was a question

which tlif' Committee might be called upon to
• Ile admitted that the witness was n a state
fir a person at the har of that House. But
vas not material enough to require so
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in al.;madvert;ng upon such impropriety.
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aveat eivionci ?.A; fe iteritieen i kiik, enure :Nitre Q. iy Mr. Pi... Reuben. j Did witness To
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statii.tliales itio 'and scinetintel three Men eilokiii4l, itpti' their *diet, and how Many. ? A.. seirea or -
o,lett'Aidin thatilieti iiiii hid& Oiree fain VO6bti 'eillit.—.' ; W•e all the servants on standing wages? 1
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-partimar oaeasionatispae ate t,' or that t ( treek •. .'Yeti they were all yearly servants. , - *
dry, Nue rcgulatly kept •A. eneyer there, was ' Q. (B ii T.. Gaanam.) Witness has stated that
.
'.'a particular *dinner, there wire two or 'three Men two or three cooks* Were Sonietirries employed); did
-c. its ; because Mrs. Choke wished that-the dinners they dreie -dinners for large tonipanies ?A.No ;
should be prepared in the best malmer-to please his' -there Were never any large companies.-:--Q. Weietlie
Riajaal Highness • and if any thiag•Was amiss the diunets prepared f(a• only two or three persons? A. ,
Would have inoth'er..--Qi Did you often know Mrs. ' Yes, is fat as I :know. - „
Clarke to be 'distreased fat' money during thatgtod? Q. (By Mr. Waseariifietc.) Who Were the trades:
A. She never .could ay her debts properly. the' Men- that furnished the house? A. They were seve-
first Tarter. - People 'were tearing my eyes trait for tal.(a. - State them? A. The upholstery was
'Motley, asfurnished by a man in Bond street ; the china and'
.
they said that I kept it. • •
• Q. (By the AirtniNnv Gzemiat.) When did youglass, by a person in Oxford-street; the grapes and
first
live with -Mrs Clarke ? A. When she went to confec ionary,• from a house in Bond-street.—Q. Did
Gloucester-place.--Q. Had you known Mrs. Clarke Mrs. Clarke deal with any -whet person ? A. Y(.....;
beforethat time ? A. Yes.---42 How long have you she had dealings with Mr, Parker, in Fleet-street.' ,
kaaawn Mrs.. Clarke ?A. I have -known her ten Q. (By Mr. SeExont STAimoi,F..) Dicf you ever
year5....9.. How many more a A. 'I can't exactly pay *ages to the men cooks ?. A. Yes • I was ac-
say,---Q. Have you known her' more than twenty custemed to give them a guinea for the day.—Q. did
years ? A. No, not twenty years.—Q. When was you consider it payment Merely for the day, or yearly
the first time you knew her ?A. 'When she lived at wages ? A. Only for the
.day;—.lo:. Was she in the
Hampsteall ; I lived servant with her there.—Q; eapacity of (nip maid •or any other to Mrs. Clarke ?
Did you not know her before ? A. Yes; I went to A. I was own Maid and .houie-keeper.—Q. Do yon
livp with he as Servant, six weekt after she was mar: know Mr. Dowler? A. Yes-.--Q.*Did you know him in
ried.—Q: What, married to Mr. Clarke ? A. Yes.— 'Claoucestei-- a-ce ?—A. Yes.—Q. Did he ever stay
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'. Have you lived with her since till she went to there all iii ht f A.-'l' any; knowledge.
Gloucester-place ?A. No, I lived with her three cr 'Q. (By Mr. WitasitaeOttc r..? 'Did the witness ever
four times.—Q. Who first recommended you to convey any message to tradesmen about the furniture?
Mrs. Clarke ?A. The paper.—Q. Do you mean by A. Yes, by Mrs. Clarke's order.—Q. Did the trades-
' advertisement ?• A. I do.—Q. Did you know nothing Men always 'seem willing. to 'send articles on Mrs. •
of Mrs. Clarke till' you saw the advertisement ? A. Clarke's authority .?
A: NO. Some iiere willing and
Nu, I did nix..-Q.- Did you live before with her, some were not.--AZ. Did witness use any arguments
awl go to Gleacester-place with her, or did you with those who refused, to prevail on :hem to send
enter her 'service at Gloircester-place ? A. I entered the articles reijuired ? A.. No. She generally ob-
her service at Oloucester-place.--.-Q: Did you live S TVea, that when Mrs. ChirkF had money, she would
with her in Tavittock-pine ?A. Yes, I did.---.Q. certainly pay them.—Q.• Did they ever say, or did -
' Where did Mrs. Clarke, live before ? A. I don't , the witness uriderstand they-looked for a better pay-
know ; I 'did not live with her.---Q. Did you live , master than Mrs. Clarke ?A. They sometimes asked
I was in the country.
with her all the time ? A. No
1 me whether his Royal Highness had settled with. Mrs.
—Q. With what family in the country ? A. Am I •
Clarke, to which I answered no, bdt that as soon as
to tell that ?—.Q.•You are. A. The- family is dead. 'he had she would pay theM. , . -
=-Q. What was the name of the family ?A. Ellis.— 1 Q. (By Mr. Beitesroap.) Was Captain Sutton, in
Q. Where did they live ?A. In the city.—Q. In the-habit of visiting Mrs. Clarke 1
,A. Yes.—Q. Was
what part of the city ? A. I do not recollect the 'Arne :he in the habit of visiting her before. Samuel-Carter
: came to live in Mrs. Clarke's house ? A. Yes...
of thestreet.-Q. How long did yon live with them ?
A. Two years.—Q: You lived two years With that
When be came to visit her, did he not bring Samuel
family, and yet do not remember the name of the : Carter with him ? A. I do not know, he brought
street A. The family lived in different parts of the, him with him, but in what light I cannot say.=-Q:7
city ; - they had a shop in one part, and lodgings in i When carter came with Captain Sutton, was he in
another.—Q. What part of the city was their shop ;the habit of going into the Parlour=?, 'A. No. •
A. I do not recollect indeed. I was at Brighton, i Q. (By Sir J. PCIALNEY.). What number of men
Margate and Ramsgate with them, whither they went-
servants hid Mrs. Clarke xsTien wilnes's came to re:
for their health.—Q. How many did the family cow.
side in Gloucester-place ? • A. Sanibel Carter carpe'
and . first; there were afterwards two footmen, a coach-
r;iet of? A. Four persons, Mr. and Mrs. Ellis,
man, and a bit lee.
.(By Colonel Wanntz.) Did she ever see Car.
two children.—Q. Do you know in what part of the
town the shop was ?A.'l do not know.—Q. Nor the Q.
:lodg ngs ? A. The lodgings were in some street off , ter after he got his commission ? A. No, I never did.
Cheapsicle. But I don't remember the name, because II —Q. Does she recollect whether he got his commis-
when I leave a place, I never trouble.myself about it.: sion when in Mrs. Clarke's service ? A. I do not
-Q. You said they lived in 'different parts cf .the j know.' . .
city; how many, and where t A. I do nofrecollect I' -Q. (By the ATTORNEY GENERAL. What. was
any thing ahnin 'it. They left me to go to Brighton ;'witness's m name before she was married ?A. I never
with theehildren.—Q. Did you go to Brighton With i WAS married. Vavourite is my real unix.
the children without Mr. and Mrs. Ellis ? A.' I did,l
Q. (By Mr. Bauwed.) By What name was Car-
indeed. They came afterwards to me.—Q. How ter known in the house in Gloucester-place. Was ft
long did they remain at Brighton, and where did they IS.tm, or Samuel, or Carter ? A. He v,y.s called Satin.
live there ? A. About three months, and they lived I—Q. Was he known -by. the name of Carter to his
apposite the sea.—Q. When did they go to Margate' Royal Highness ?A. Yes, he was.l
A. I really cannot tell.—Q. Where did they live
Q. (By a Member.) Did Career appear to be sn-
know : be was w.—Q. any of the ser-
there ? A. I do not know.—Q Are Mr. and perior to many in point of education ? A. I don't
Mrs. Ellis dead ? A. They are.—.Q. And the chit-
ver
1 rants dine with hery wheenll she liveDdid with Mrs. Clarke ?
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siren ?—A. I. do not knots', for I never enquired.—
Q. Why had you an objection to mention this f:t- ' A. Yes, I sat down CO dine With them all.
mily ? A. I have answered as far as I can recol- Q. (By Mr. Wieeetticorich:.) Were any other per--
lest.—Q. Did you know Captain Sutton? A. I did. sons in the habit of going to tradesmen about articie;
—Q. Is he dead ? A. He has been dead two yea M
}earns. lof furniture but the we nitne,s ? A. I ne•;er wt ;
en
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I recollect that very well.--Q• Was not Samuel Car-
ter his natural son ?A. I cannot tell.—Q. Do t •Dowall, -Pearson, d others might..—Q. Did ,A
you person of the name of Taylor never go ? A. lami ot
not suppose it ? A. I knots not what may have been
$ sure, • but she Might have been sent by Mrs. Ci.a• e.•
supp (Bv Sir R. Wcsed on the
it.taAms.) .Did the Cornmander subject. Q. (By Sir R. WILLIAMS.) When witness I vet
in Gloucester-place, was Mrs. Clarke in the habit of
Q.
receiving visits' from other Gekntlemen, besides the
in Chief give you Money to pay the exiiences of the
I establishment in Gloucester-place? A. He never in my i Duke of York ?A. Yes, several—Q. Were they re-
life gave me any money, nor any one belonging him. puted opulent, rich ?'A. I really 'do not know.--Q.Wit-
Q. ( ByColonel VEREKER.) Where did r
tgs. Clarke
ness has said she dined with the servants; was the
reside when you first lived with her ? A. At Hamp-
I coachman of the number ? A. Yes, certainly.-2.
stead.—Q. Was that before you lived with Mr. Ellis? 1 Does she remember a Captain Wallace in Giouc;:s-
A. It was before.—Q. How does it happen, that you ter-place ?A; I- know no such person. ,
recollect where Mrs. Clarke lived, and that you can- Witness ordered to withdraw. . •
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Mr. LOCKHART said lie *wished to put a ques-
not recollect where Mr. Ellis lived ? A. Because I
lion to the Hon. Member (Mr. Wmtoce) relating to
lived longer with Mrs. Clarke —Q. Do you mean to
a passage in Mrs. Clarke's letter to Donovan. The
say that you do riot recollect where you lived with
' Mr. Ellis ? A. Ido not. I have already said I lived letter would be found in Fo. 132. No. 4. of the
with him at Brighton, Margate Ramsgate, and other printed evidence. The passage was this :" I must
' places.—Q. You have stated ;hat Mr. Ellis kept a
be candid and tell you, I have put some of your let-
shopi in one part of the town, lodgings in another, and tens in his hands for the pdrpose of facilitating a ne-
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yet that his family were roving, about. How do you
1 gotiation. ,I wish to know from the Hon. Member
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reconcile these statements ? A. The family might be what that negotiation was.
going about, and Mr. Ellis in town. I A. I have not the smallest recollection. I never
I knew any negotiation about litters in my life. Ido
Q. (By General PHIPPS.) Does witness mean to
deny that Mrs. Clarke is her sister ? A. I do. not know what she means by negociation.--Q. Are
Q. (By Mr. HARBORD.) Did the witness pay the
those the letters which you took away? A. I for,
servants their wages ?A. I did.---Q. What wages merly stated to the House how I came in possession
did she give to Carter ? A. I cannot recollect. of these letters; that I took some of them off from
Mrs. Clarke's table, and that others were given tome
'Has the Hon. Member any other letters
0. Did she ever give him Wages ? A. I often gave
him money to buy shoes or any other necessaries of j by ber•---Q•
i of Mr. Donovan thane
produced ? A. I had
! some other letters which she gave me, and I exa-
which he might be in want.
the CtrAwm.i.oß of the Excintoue.a.) For
Q. (By M. HERBERT.) The wits has already
stated that the expenses of the establishment in Glou- i mic2ne.d(ttby
p efn•
i what purpose did she give witness these letters ? A. I
tester- lace were very great : what number was there
in the farnily, of which she had the superintendence, I
t,, provide for ? A. I cannot attempt to say. There ' don't know ; I asked her to give me them to read.-.....
in her letter, to faciaate a nereiatiora A. I
were elegant dinners very frequently, which two, and Q. Has he asked Mrs. Clarke what she meant by the -
i sometimes three men cooks were employed in prepar-
expression
ing ; and What they could not do came from the pas--; don t know that I. did ; if I did, she gave me no an-
try-cook's.—Q. You have said that you were torn to . swer•
pieces for money : did you tell Mrs. Clarke of your I Q. (By Mr. SPENCER STANHOPE.) When Mrs,
embarrassment ; and what was her ansWer? A. I,; Clarke give the witness the letter, did she mention
did inform her, and she told me his Royal Highness • any thing about one or more deaneries ? A. Nothing
- was backward in his payments,.and. to put them off.: more than.' hat the letters contained. • .
—Q. Did you ever mention to Mrs. Clarke, to ask, Mrs. CLARKE celled in and examined.
for money to p these debts ; and What was her an- I A letter being shewn to the witness—
svier ? A. I did; and she answered she would pay as l' Q. (By Sir T. Twine.%) Was this one of those
soon is she had it froM his Royal Highnets:-:,Q. that Wet* 'delivered to Mr. Nicholls ? A. I cannot
Were not many of these debts paid ia consequence ? , say ; L delivered a number of letters to Mr. Nicholls
A. Yes ; some of the debts Were paid while the Dula'. to be bard ;Allison,' have been one of them.—Q. To
was in Glopcester-place. I paid the bittcher and ' Whom was that letter addressed ? A. To some man,
'' stet twice. 1 I don't know who..-Q. How Came the letter in her
1; (IV Mr. WAnt .) Did the %titans know Cup-
postlestidts ? A. .I had it to chew the Duke of York,
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