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P I'ARY PROCEEDINGS.

HOUSE OP LORDS, JUNE le
Their Lordships met at about four o'clock, when private bud-
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mons, brought up the Irish Elections Billot and some local
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and Measures, which, however, was not moved to be read, but
it was ordered to be printed for the information of the Hasse.
Lord DACRE said, that he held in his hand a Petition which
referred to the general object of an important Bill under the
consideration of their Lordships. The Petitioners were no
others than the Churchwardens, Overseers, and Guardians of the
P.sor, in the Parish of St. Lake, in the County of Middlesex;
land their prayer was simply that their Roman Catholic fellow-
..subjects might be allowed to celebrate marriages as prescribed
by the Romish Church, such marriages to be thenceforth held to
be valid in law. It appeared, that though the Petitioners were
sot Catholics, there was a large proportion of that body in the
Parish of St. Luke, whose children could not benefit by the•
Poor-rates in cases of distress and desikution, but to whom.
nevertheless, it was desirable to extend the advantages of paro-
chial aid.—The Petition was read, and laid upon the table of
the House.
The Marquis of LANSDOWN, in moving their Lordships
to go into a Committee on the Joint Tenancy (Ireland) Bill,
wished to do away an erroneous impression which seemed to
have been made upon the public mind. It was supposed in Ire-
land-that the present Bill took away the existing rights of voters
who hitherto bad exercised then, but it did no such thing.
Some unimportant amendments were suggested by the Noble
Marquis in the Conunluee, and the Report was ordered to be
received to-morrow.
GRAND JURY PRESENTMENTS.
The Marquis of LANSDOWN now moved the.
Order cf the Day, for going into a Committee on the
Grand Jury (Ireland) Presentments Bill. He deemed
it unnecessary to make many observations ; but he was
authorised to say, that in the present Bill,which in effect
was before their Lordships during last year, and had
been under the consideration of are other House da-
ring three months this year, the salaries of the offi-
cers of Government were fixed on a scale considered
the fairest that could be devised ; and such, in reality,
was the unanimous opinion of the Members for Ire-
land, whose advice was sedulously sought upon the
subject. He called these remunerations no other than
salaries; because, though the fees of the officers were
unequal, they had arisen out of different Acts of
Parliament, without at.all contemplating or com-
prehending the duties to be attached to them. Hence
there had prevailed a most unequal and inefficient
system of remuneration; some officers did their duty
by contract ; in some instances the Grand Juries
would not vote compensation, while in other cases
the Clerk of the Peace obtained a remuneration ade-
quate to the income of the Lord Chief Justice of Ire-
land. To shew the fairness of the intended scale, he
would observe, that out of forty Clerks of the Peace
Is -Ireland, there were only ten among the number
who complained of the arrangements which were pro-
posed in the present Bill ; and then was also a per-
son at present in London, from Cork, who was hint-
-self quite satisfied with the arrangements.of it. In the
County of Galway, for instance, the Clerk of the
Peace, who had only £2OO mere by the Bill, *as sa.
-tisfied; and he hoped that their Lordships would pro-
ceed to place these remunerations upon some regular
and'elieiforrn system. With respect to the principal
Petition against the Bill, he had read it attentively ;
and the result was, that he felt satisfied that the Peti-
tioners could not fairly-bear out their allegation, and
had not even the shadow of a claim to vested in-
terests in the office they held ; for one of their strongest
grounds, stating they were entitled to 6s. 8d: for each
person triel and convicted, was derived so lately as
under the 49th of George 111. which was therefore a
modern fee, and the Grand Jury were empowered to
present to its full amount. As to the difficulty in
fiading fit persons to fill the office, if the Bill passed
he believed that no difficulty was likely to occur;
and, under those circumstances; he would propose
that their Lordships should now resolve themselves
into a Committee of the whole House upon the Bill.
The Earl of DONOUGHMORE, in rising to re-
sist the motion of his Noble Friend, .apologised for
not having been present at the former stages of the
present Bill. He did not, however, now wish unne-
cessarily to delay the Bill, but he wished their Lord-
ships to be put in 'full possession of the information
that offered to them respecting it. It could not have
been forgoiten that a Message was sent, during last
Session, to the House of Commons, that they would
communicate the Reports made to hemselveson this
subject; but the other House had never sent an an-
swer to this, and, therefore, it must be concluded
that the information so asked for never would be had.
It was difficult to deciJe as to the grounds of refusal,
but he supposed it was upon the principle that their
Lordships had no right to interfere in points con-
cerned with money. He would ask, then, what in-
formation their Lordships had received to direct tkeir
' judgment on the present Bill ? None whatever, but
from his Noble Friend (Lansdown), and he spoke
only from surmises, which were contradictory and
unsatisfactory. So far, indeed, were the majority
of the Clerks of the Peace in Ireland from being, as
his Noble'Friend was induced to describe them, satis-
fied with are arrangements of the present Bill, he knew
the feeling to be otherwise; for, among some others,
the Clerk of his own County was anxious to have ap-
peared in person at their Lordships' Bar, if required,
on the subject of the Bill ; and, in fact, some corres-
pondence had taken place between him (Lord Do-
nougholore) and that Officer in consequence ; when
the latter was cautioned as to what construction might
be put upon his absence from the scene of his duties
at so critical a time. He conceived that his Noble
Friend was not more fortunate •in viewing these
claimed rights as arising from the49th of Geo. 111.
for that Statute did not create the fees in-question,
though it described and defined the manner of pre-
senting them. Nothing was mentioned but Acts of
Parliament. Was there nothing in long usage—in,
established and understood practices, which pos-1
seised, in so many cases, the virtual effect of law?
He wished, if it were only on the question of those
vested rights, that his Noble Friend would allow him