Star.
London, England, 1815-04-22 00:00:00

TItE.VIT OF VIENNA.

Mr. WHITBREAD proceeded to observe, that
feeling as he did, from a consideration of all the cir-
cumnances, float a consideration of the alleged par-
ties, hom a consideration of the supposed conditions,
that the paper which had that thy been published in
a partial manner, purporting to be a Treaty between
the Allied Powers, signed at Vienna on the 25th of
March, could be no other than a forgery, he never-
theless could not refrain front asking the Noble Lord
the question. If it should trim out not to be so,.this
must extraordinary fact would appear—that it was
actually signed at the time when the Noble Lord de-
dared in that House th .. the question of peace or
war was wholly undecided!
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, be certainly felt it
his duty to avoid, if possible, entering, into an argu-
ment on subjects which could not with propriety be
yet brought before the House. But wire respect to
the question• of the Honourable Gentleman, if he
conceived that it was his duty to offer an advice to
the Crown on the subject to ,hich it related, and in.
tended to bring that subject before the House in a
regular way, he (Lord Castlereagh) should consider
that circumstance as a justification for his giving an
answer to the question.
Mr.. WHITBREAD—Then the inference, from
what has fallen just now from the Noble Lord, is,
that the Treaty which has appeared in one of the
papers of this day is a genuine Treaty ?
Lord CASTLEREAGH—Does the Honourable
Gentleman mean to say, that it is his intention to
call the attention of the House to it ? It s ), I have
no hesitation in admitting that a Treaty was signed
at Vienna on the 25th of Much, and that the News-
paper alluded to'by she Hostow able Gentleman, with
some inaceuraciei, contains the substance of the'
!Treaty. The Treaty, however, is not yet ratified by
all of the Allied Powers. and therefore not in a state
to be submitted to Parliament. But it the Hon.
Gentleman thinks proper u cad the att‘antion of Par-
liament to it in a regular way, I %hail certainly con-
sider it my duty to be prepared to !beet him in any
diszussion on the subject.
Mr. WHITBREAD—The !loble Lord has said
that the Treaty is not yet ratified by all the alli:d
:Powers; bet we find now that the substance of it is
true. •The Noble Lord has told us that there are in-
accuracies; but then lie has not told us what the na-
ture of these inaccuracies are; whether they are alt
inaccuracies of language ? I pause till I see what
these inaccuracies are; because I cannot conceive
how any person, if the Treaty which we have seen is
accurate in substance, could possibly put his hand to
it. I would ask those who expect that we should
abstain from all argument on the present occasion to
read that Treaty.
Lord CASTLEREAGH--I think that I have
shewn a sufficient disposition to candour in my con-
duct towards the Honourable Gentleman this even-
ing, however much he, may be disposed to give
myself, or those who act with me, credit for candour
on any occasion. I have told the Honourable Gen-
tleman that if he can shevi that any practical purpose
can possibly be answered by it, I shall be prepared
to answer his question. But when I have given him
this answer, upon what principle does h.:. conceive
himself entitled, contrary to all the rules of I'arlia-

Mr. WHITBREAD.—" The Noble Lord has
thought proper t i call me to order, in a speech which
IS itself extremely disorderly. I contend that I have
a perfect right to del'ver my sentime!..* en this sub-
ice-, on the question of adjournment of the Howe.
I have a right to express my approbation or d;sarolo.
betion of the v, an the asvobal of it by _
Lord, and !o op7ose the adjournment of Ow Huse, if
I think proper. The Notate Lord has a‘cuseel-me of
making use of the language of calionny. I have
• only to say that n ihing can be calumicous as ap.
plied to the proceediags of Congress. It r 11• rly
impossible to speak of the tenotir of their conduct in
any terms of reprobation which can ,!x•-eed thoss
called for by their acts.—( Hear, h.-Jr. )—1 ought, if I
thought proper, move that the litMbe shoOld Si' to.
mortow. But as the Noble Lord has avowed the
Treaty, I am rather disposed to put the question—
That the supplies be withheld, which, by our former
votes, we expressed our resolution to confide to the •
Crown.-4 wish farther to ask the Noble Lord, whe-
ther the Treaty has not been ratified by Eo:fland, if
it has not been ratified by Al the other !Lied powers
Because the Duke of Wellington, if the Treaty has
not been ratified by England, must have acted on
his own anthinity. We ought to know the instruc-
tions which have been given to the Duke of Welling-
ton—or whether he has acted without any instruc-
tion at all ? The Noble Lord has acknowle.iged,'
that the Treaty which we have seed is substantially
c-rrecl, and he his also owned that it contained
in4ccuracies. What sort a inaccuracies are they ?
Are they inaccuracies of language ?--[" tittbstantial
inaccuracies," said Lord Casticreagn, across the
table.] —No! it seems they were inaccuracies of aoo.
ther kit;.'. Will the Noble Lord give us the Irmty,
or tell us whedter it has been ratified by Great Bri.
Lain ? Wit, he put me .0 the Home in a condition
of knowieg how .nuch we are to except tiom or add
to this Treaty, which we have seen in an attic:e
Flom Vienna in one of the Papers ?—I cvaceive,
that my con fact has not appeared to you as disor-
d rlv, fi-ot). your not interruptaig me. • I conceive
that I have a right to more, That the House should
not adjoarn even till Monday next, till the House
should come to a knowledge of this document."
Lord CASTLEREAGEI..••••44 The Hon. Gentle:
man may bring forward his motion as eaaly as he
thinks it his duty to do sr). 1 have no right to cam.
plans.. of him for this. But what I complain of is
his -attempt to enter into that sort of unsupprted o!s.
st•rvati! n which cannot be said to be a lair examina-
tion of the subject, and which can lead to no practi-
cal good. The Honourable Gentleman has asked
me, whether the Treaty has been ratified on the part
of Great Britain ? I have no hesitation in returning
for answer to the Honourable Gentle-man, that his
Royal Highness the Prince Regent, i;:a an expla-
nation of one of the articles, has tatiliLd this Treaty
with the Allied P-wets."

Mr. WHITCRE.II)." I wish, S'r, to put this
question in a shape that the Heise inly take it into
consideratien without May; because, by ad >ring a
different line of conduct, we may find, when we
wish to express our disapprobation, that it is too lam,
when we are already involved in an unfortunate and
calamitous war. Does the Nable Lord intend to in.
velve tee country in a ssetr first, and then ask the
lieuse to seeagthee the hands ot Goventment ? Oar
situation will be very different between one alterna-
tive and another. 1 am sore the House will not con-
st•nt to vote .any supplies on the principle of this
Treaty ; but 1 ant toot sure, when we are once en-
gaged in war, even wider this fiolish Treaty, that
.ve shall net be disposed to grant them."
Lord ARC 111,1 L ki ANI LTON asked whe-
ther any discussion now could be productive of
greater harin than what had been done by the ap.
penance of such documents as the public had lately
seen ? Whet would be the use of the information
promised by the Noble Lord, when the country was
already involved in war ? disethsloa could be so
injurious to the Noble Lord as the belief entertained
by the public that his conduct was such as it appear-.
ed to have been from these documents, which had
created a disagreeable imp! ession against him through-
cut tits whole cwnntry.
Mr. PONSONBY..••••" I am not sure, from what
fell from the Noble LorJ, it this steeiect is soon to be
breuget forward in such a shape as will afford us an
opportunity of discussion ; for if I am silent upon
the present occasion, it is from the circumstance of
the subject not yet being helve us in such a shape
teat we can take parietmentery notice of it ? Is it
the intention ot. the Noble Lord to bring the Treaty
soon bvi; Ire us in a share that we can take hula-
mentary notice of it It such is nit his intention,
I must proceed to some other course. I do not
choose to trust myself at this moment with the ex-
pression of t!:e sentiments which arose in my mind
when I read this instrument. I certainly did not
think it was genuine; but if the Noble Lord will not
bring the business before us in a shape that will en.
able us to discuss it in a Parliamentary way, we
must proceed to its discussion out of the Po iiemen-
wry way. There is not a man in the House iflio
has read that paper, who will not say that the House
of Commons will abandon its duty, it it do not take
the earliest olvortuney it offering its advice to the
Crown on this subj,et."
Lord CIVTLEREAGH—It is not out of the
course of Parliamentary Usage, to bring forward a
motion for discussion of this Treaty, in the shape in
which the Iti.tht Honourable Gentleman finds it ;
and Parliament may, ii it thinks proper, give its ad-
vice to the Crown, on the stelposiiion of the Crown
being on the point of entering into any engagement
which it may ettnsider injui ious to the interests of the
country. What 1 menu to say is this, that it would