Star.
London, England, 1805-04-26 00:00:00

!eft of nttiona: abufes. The Right Honourable Gen-
-rc to him limed al& fenfible of the ge-
. .. which had been awakened through the
He had that night, prematurely in one
1..-dily in another, given notice of a mo-
w; A he unqueftionably meant in forme tape to
wifhes of the people. In doing fo, how.
• , not the Right Honourable Get:U*l;llllWe-
Inc: bufinefs out of the hands of other Hoooor-
-11.t u .1-.tlernen, who bad already given notice of f-
„..1 ~:mentions ? That was not a novel proltice, now
• • first time adopted by the Right Honourable
••.eman. It happened Come years ago to him
• • • usVhitbread), on which occafion the Right Hon.
t. ••'-man took a bufinefs out of his hands, but ne-
e : &LI any thing under it. The Right Honourable
C,_iitleman had indeed given notice of a much more
estenfive motion than had yet been propofed ;—bat
'W.:ther be bad done fo in confequence of bearing
di .1 fuch an intention bad been declared in another
quarter, and wilted to take it nut of their hands for
the purpofe of doing it away, he fhould not at pre-
fent pretend to judge. tie new Committee was ap-
pointed, he hoped it would be charatterifed by equal
fidelity with that which had dillinguilbed the Com-
milfioners for Naval Inquiry. The Right Honour-
able L;entlemait had exprelled a doubt it there elat-
ed any lavifb or improper expenditure in the Military
p.:::ment. On that fabled, he (Mr. Whitbread)
en:ertained no doubt. He was convinced that in the
Military Department as grofs a (yam of peculation
and plunder (idled as had already in part been dif.
coveted in the Naval expeadimre. An Honourable
Gentleman, a Friend of the Noble Lord, had, in vin-
dicating him from thg prefent charge, aliened that
he pottetred opportunities in ano:her department of
making an immenfe and rapid fortune, without any
chance of deteftion. That Hon. Gentleman was
well acqnairited with the truth of what he noted :
and was it to be fuppofed after what we had feta,
that (itch opportunities did will; and that too, with
out the potfibility of detedtion, that no advantage was
taken of them 1 The thing was hardly to be looked
for. The fira motion which he mould now fubinit to
the copfideration of the Houfe was for a WO Com-
mittee, for taking o fartiter confideration the tenth
Report off he Commilioners of Naval Inquiry. There
were fill Anne Ott pins in that Report, on which
be whited that farther inquiry &add take place.—
It was not his intuition to ent:r at any length into
what pelted on the Lill debate on the fubjea, farther
than to fay, that he thought the Right Honourable
Gentleman oppofite had not paid that proper re•
fpell to that Houfe, and to the Commanners
ing under that authoritr, which might have been
espetted, in not difiniXhg a perfon who had refuted
to anfiver the quethons put to him, when called on
tinder an AS of Parliament to give evidence. Would
it be maintained that every witnefs was to be entitled
to decline anfwering any queftion which might be
put to him on the pretence that it might eliminate
himfelf ; and that the judge was not entitled to ad',
in what refpeft, and to afcertain whether the allega-
tion was real or feigned t The Right Honourable
Gentleman himfelf attually condemned Wilfon, and
condemned his own cooduft by the apology he now
made for both. He now confeffes that the clouts of
the AR of Parliament, does not apply to Willon.•-••
According to his own account William tells him, and
be now tells the Houfe, that Will in was the ;nitro-
stunt and tool of Trotter. Would Ins being fo
evolve him in legal, or even moral guilt, to as to
mare bim from anfwering queftions t The pretence
was ridiculous, it was to fcteen his principal. not
)hi nfelf: for, is being merely a tool, any answer he
might have made, might have g me to etculpate, but
could not criminate himfelf. Equally well might
the printer of the Ramp on which the order was wait-
:en, have refuted anfwering any quetti.,n which might
have been put to him, lett he [hoold criminate him-
felf. Another Hon, Gentletnan had been much of
fended at an esprefkin which had fade* 6nm the
honourable Pre6dent of the Baud of Inquity, that

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be took blame to himfelf for not having committed
Wilton to prifon. He hoped that Hon. Gentleman
would silted on the night when the vote •ot thanks
was to be moved to the ConimilLiners of Naval In-
quiry, and would then date what he had alledged
that night. that in confequence of the declaration,
the Hi/scarable Prefiriont yap' to be difmrffed from
his Stuation. He (Mr. Whitbread) declared, that
had be been in the place of the Hoinittrahle Baronet,
he would have committed not only Wain. but
Sprott afro.; and Co. he hoped, would every Cum-
:ll6mm of Inquiry feel himfelf inclined to aft. It
was nut his with to trefpats on the time of the Houfe,
and be Mould, therefore, conclude by moving his
silk motion, fie the appointment of a feleft Cnnunit.
tee. to stake farther inquiry into the matters con.
gained in the Tenth Report of the Commiffioners of
Eaval Inquiry. and to report to the Houfe.
The CHANCELLOR'M the EXCHEQUER
role, not to oppofe the appointment of a Seleffemn-
Educe. but from a wills to clear himfelf from the
charge of having prematurely given notice of a mo.
Lion on any particular fubjeft, and thcreby taken it
out of the hands of another Gentleman. He fpoke
tow in the pretence of the Hon. Gentleman aluded
to, and be appealed to him, if the notice which be
gave was not eaprefily conditional, that if be (Mr:
Litt) did not, on an early day after the recd..' bring
furwaid filch a motion, he (Mr.Giks) would. When,
at an earlier period of the Set 'm, the Hon Geode.
than (Mr. Giles) moved for leave to Wring in a Bill
tor c ntinuing the powers of that Board, what was
his (Mr. Pitt's, ground of objeflion ? Was it that the
pc, i.),1 &mid not be extendad t Q2i.e the contrary.
.--He allowed that full time ought to be given diem
for tinifhing their invelligatiens, and his only objec-
tion was, that it would be it .mattn e to enlarge the
periods:it ;hcl continuing in uttice, at Co early a petard
of the &Cholla_ till Once it was afeei mined whether
the ptefent hellion might not afford them left:tient
rime to complete their inquiries. If they were not
likely, at a more advanced period of the leffion. to be
able to complete :heir bufinefi before thd end af it, he
pledged hin.felt taco to move foe the enlargement of
their pane Now, as only one additional Report
had fusee been made, while it was du ed that other
ohj..ffs of inquiry dill remained; he felt it both his
duty and his inanition to mole for *mending the
pea ind of their continuance. And, however Misch he
Conlsfred I fell to lie one of thole who did declare
tr-At there were pails of their condell of which be
c4ald not approve, he RBI felt k hi. duty tofu', that
they tArght iv amine*. In chit Cact os. be tuba*

ted to the candbur of the %see, that there seas no
ground whatcrer for charging him with having taken
the boa:raft alit of the hands of any other Hnn.Gen•
tkrnan. There was anothgr part of the Hon. Gen-
tleman's fpeech,in which his sentiments had been

mifreprefented. He thought in the department in.
to the nnuiagement of which invkiiigation had be*
made. they had difeovered praitices and mAlverfations

of which they could not approve, it would Ise proper
to make fuch inquiries into every branch of the :cre-
me, as thould go to thew, either that in other de-
partments they did not exia, or, if they did, that It
was the determination of Parliament to take fuch

mralbres,as fbould Meet and preventthemin future.
He did not fay that none fuck esilied. He only faid,
that it rani prove fatisfaticay to the public that the
fai thoold be afcatained. In In great and expen-
five an efiablaltment as that of Great Britain, in the
midi of the perilous times too, which we had of

late years to enc °tinter, it was hardly to be expeited,
that come ails of improper management would not
prefent thenifelves. He was anxious, however, that
the inveniration thould be gone into with temperance,
moderation, and a regard-Tor the public good.—The
fault motives which made him think the general Cub-
jell one peculiarly deferring of attention and invelli-
gation, to be condulted on the immutable pi inciples
of )(Mice. induced him heartily to concur inihe ap-
pointment of a SeleEt Committee, to confider farther
1 the fubjea of the Tenth Report. He was particu-
larly anxious for a mon minute inveßigation into that
part of it. in which, according to the Itatements of the
Honourable Gentleman, he himfclf (Mr. Pitt) was
.implicated. On that ,fubjeft, he was eager that the
Honourable Gentleman would bring forward every'
thing in his power. He hoped that in the man!. years
of his life which had been devoted to the public fer-
vice, he might prefume, without flattery to himfelf,
to think that he haJ fo conduEled himfelf, as to evince
that he was beyond any corrupt or fordid motive.—
Far he was, however, from wilbing to rely in a
charge like the orefent on charafter. He had no de-
fire whatever to fcreen himfeif from inquiry, but to-
licked it, as the greaten CO our which could be be.
flowed on him. He, therefore, approved of the mo-
tion of the Honourable Gentleman, fo far as he ten

d.:r Rood it.—The words, however, he thought were
too general, and he fubmitted, that the objeets to he
referred to the Committee, ought tl be more fpeci
ally defined. l'he Honourable Gentleman had on a
former night, alluded to an intention of moving that
the Attorney General be !nitroEked to commence a
profecution againft Lord Melville id a Court of Law.
Now, he apprehended, it could hardly be the objet
of this Committee to examine into the participation
of Lord Melville, in a crime which was afterwards
to be taken cognitence of in a fuit brought by the
Attorney General. If a Bill of Difcovery was after-
wards to be had againß him, it could not be the ob-
jai of the Honourable Gentleman in this Committee
to lead an examination, which (hould leave to inßruft
them how they were afterwards to proceed in the civil
fnit. The Right Hon. Gentleman then Paid, that he
did not regard whether it was expreffrd in the motion
or not, if it was underßood that fuch were the mean-
ing of the power. given to the Committee ; and con-
cluded by propAng an Amendment
That the Committee fbould be empowered to inquire Into the
particular endemic° of the Naval Money to other parpoks, and
alto to confider the Kequifitions made to the Chancellor of the
kachcquer, or to any of the Commilfioners of his Majelly's Trea•
fury, as to the iffuing of Money, and as to the NM doe to the
Crown by the late Mr. Jellico.
Mr. FOX Raced. were the Houle to manta the
Attorney General to commence a profeeution agaioß
Lund Melville on any particular point, if it would not
be proper that that (tumid alfo form a part of the In-
quiry of the Committee ? There wa, another point
which he.thought would not go with propriety to the
Committee, but would be better difcuffed in that
Houfe. and that was not a elimination, but an ad-
monition to the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Can,
fling) on his continuing Mr. Wilfon in office. This
naturally led hips to mama, that it was not by the
Houfe going into an liquiry on the Tenth Report
alone ; on the Abtilks in the Military Department ;
or in all the Departments, that they could perform
their duty. They could do their duty only by going
into date laquitses.ferionfly, and swith an intent to
perfevere. If they were to go into Inquiries, let them
[hew their finierity by the perfons whom they chafe
of the Committee. Perfons like the Commiftoners of
Naval Inquiry, of fidelity, ability, and above all,
courage ; who had not Ihrunk Irons their duty, even
when it called on them to expofe one of the molt
powerful men in this country. If they were for in-
quiry, let them endeavour, if potable, to get men
equal to thefe Commitfioners. If they had to employ
the Attorney General to profeetne. they could not
doubt, from what they had teen of 'him, he would not
be a very willing advocate. He had no doubt the
very petfons who had ezpreffed an opinion againft
the COMlnilfioneis of Naval Inquiryi would Rill be of
opinion that they ought to be continued 1 yet this they
would do not willingly: He did not Same the Right
Hon: Gentleman (Mr. Pitt) for being the friend of
Lord Melville, yet he could not but think it torforto-
sate, that he &mild be the perfon to,move for a Com-
mittee on the other fubjefts of inquiry. If the Com-
mittee had been to be moved lot by fume Gentlemen
near him—by any perfon, he fpoke in an abarisa
(cafe, not on the Treatury Bench. he thought it would
have been better, moie creditable; and more the-
tool. When a Minifler, under whole Adminiftra,
titrlt all the mifinanagement and peculation has taken
place, has the mortification to find that the delin-
quent is not a perfon remote, but hit own neareft and
dwelt colleague. be cannot be the molt proper per-
fon to move a Conimittire to take cognizance of the
nsalvetfations. He had no doubt he would move
proper men. But, would he have named the Com
n3.&nec. of Naval Intiniey ? Unfortuniterly, this
could not be prevented ; but Rill the Hods were
called on to proceed with the vet/ter Caution and cir,
cuosfpeilliOn and, to far as they.cPuttit to fee that
Inqpiry of this kind was not covered under ilia
The
of the Minißer for the time,
The CHAaCELLOR oldie EXCHUWER ex.
plaiped and Laid. that he withod to exclude-no...pad
ortfie inquiry, but. that "Web Okla; 4e made the
fulsjea of legal eramination: If the order of the
ask inns were %iota, and the leabd.r4 Lai *ii
would Wade all r. wilbed. •
• • Mr. WHIIItitEAD explained: that ha hid 10
with to do Airy thing !monthlong withistalti..' As;
however, the rincipal *jell end*, public ih• the ap•
pointing du "). Wit tiik bream it. Wald

Melville's participation in the peculation. be would
rather allow the other 'notion. for an ;nitration to
the Attorney General, to la) over, and confine him-
felt to the fit a "notion.

Mr. SHERIDAN was of opinion that they could
nc.t with any propriety proceed at the lime with a
legal profecution. and with farther inquiries, by a
Committee, and that, therefore, all legal proceedings
ought to be delayed till the Committee, now propof,
ed to be appointed, ihould have made its report. He
could certainly have no ohjeilion to the meafure pro
poled by the Right am. Gentleman (Mr. Pitt) for
continuing the CoMminion of Motel Inquiry, and for
appointing others to inveliigate the other departments
of the public expenditure. Butt, however willing he
wacto fee any meafute of this kind promoted, he
could not fee, without alarm, any difpolition on the
part of that Right Hon. Gentlemen to appoint fuch
Commit:Goner'. . He withed the motion to have ori-
ginated in Come other quarter, and it was not his
fault if that notice had not been long ago given for
that purpOfe, and which he now thought there was
rearmn to regret. Indeed, this notice, he under-
Rood, was to have been given to•day, had it not
been thus anticipated. The Right Hon. Gentleman
might have as a veafon, perhaps, for his acceding to
the appointment of a fekß Committee, according to
the motion of his Honourable Friend, that he him•
felf. (Mr. Pitt). had been implicated in the char.
gee of the Tenth Report, and was anxious, there-
fore, that every fair enquiry &mid be made. The

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motive, it mull be allowed, was extremely honour-
able, but till that inquiry WAS made, he was, in tome

meafure, on his trial, and, therefn,e, by no means
the &tea perfon to propufe the motion fur another
comrniffinn.—But he urged another argument, of
ftitl stealer weight, againti that Right Honourable
Gentleman's nominating the Committee prupofed by
his motion, which evidently mull arife from the na-
ture of the objeas of inquiry. The condo& of the
Right Honourable Gentleman, himfelf. k way ari.
dent, would be iuv,ilved in that inquiry, whether it
regarded the variour departments of the army, or the
management of the Excheqner. It was, therefore,
a very grave quellion with him, how far it was ad-
miffible fur any appqintment of that nature to origi-
nate in that quarter. The Right Honourable Gen
tleman might think it a popular meafure. It was
making the mar perhaps, of a cafe of necellity,
and taking the merit of propoling what he could not
prevent, but mull certainly, at bell, be confidered
as ayery forward Rep.
Mr. CANNING reminded the Hon. Gentleman

(Mr. Whitbread) of a former wild:Goa he had made
—that of being ready to co-operate with his Right
Honourable Friend in any meafure that had a ten-
dency to promote the objet he had in view. Hie
Right Honourable Friend had no delign of delaying
the inquiry ; he was only of opinion that, if it was
the intention of the Honourable Gentleman to !ROTC
for a legal profecutinti, it would be proper to give
that motion precedence .of the other. The pro-
priety of this arrangement was obvions. For thofe
perfons who ;vete to be fohjeded to legal inquiry
were not to be corded to give any anfwer be
fore the Committee that might tend to criminate
them before a court of jultice. Such an arrange-
ment, therefore, would defeat the very end of any
legal proceeding, and cramp at the fartie time the in.
curies of the Committee. as thofe pertons were the
only evidence from whom they were to defies their
information. In regard to the amendment pi-goofed
by his Right Honourable Friend. he entirely con-
curred in thinking that the Committee ought to be
confined to their proper °Ned, and not to interfere,
in fuch points as Ibould be judged neeeffary lo be re-
ferred to a court of jullice. If therefore, the motion
for a legal inquiry were 61.0 fixed, and the object or
objects of that legal invetligation determina4, the
Committee would have the advantage of kalogriug
to what objeas they were to confine .their exertions,
and would be relieved from that part of the (Ojai
which would come under the cognizance of a court
of jullice. From the difpufitiun the Hopeuliable
Gentleman feemed to be in the night this lubjed was
before the Houle, he did not think he could have any
objedion to Inch an arrangement.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHIVbeR.
difclaimed every idea of being implicated in any
charges adduced by the Tenth Report, and dent
lenged any Gentleman to point out a tingle pefisge
in the Report that implicated him in any Wee&
Mr. FOX admitted that there was no pottage. to
be lure, that diredly implicated the Right Honour-
able Gentleman s but the article relative to the mo-
ney for Secret Service. though it did not mention
him by name, would certainly lead to a decifion how
far that Right Honourable Gentleman was involved.
Mr. GREY was of opinion that it would be ino
poffible to catty on. the two inquiries together; and
to give up the queltion entirely to the Attorney Ge-
, feral, was giving tip ton much. There was pre-
tumptive evidence, he thought, for concluding that
Lord Melville had participated in the emoluments
diverted from the public fervice, and he had therefore
been of opinion at one time that
,it would be better
to refer this part of the bonnet's to the Attorney Ge
neral, and to appoint a Committee to go on with the
other objedi,of inquity. Should the Houfe, how-
ever, be of opinion that the whole bufinefs floadd be
referred to the Committee previous to any legal in-
quiry, he would williogly accede to it.
The MASTER of the ROLLS contended, that
the rAmtleot the quellion was referred to law, all in-
vtkigation on the part of the Houfe mita neceffarily
t cafe. They might previoufty difcufs the grounds on
which they Ibould refer the quellion to Law ; but
there they behoved to flop, and leave the emit of
kW wits own operation, He agreed with the Ho-
nourable Gentleman who fat down, that the mode of
proceeding which had been fiat fuggetbed Would be
the belt.
Kr. rcot thought it would occopf leaf! time fird
to *time to a Refolution oefpeding the Committee,
and then to proceed to the other view of the fubjed.
The MASTER of the ROLLS explained.
Mr. EINNAIRD argued that the objet of his
Smoot-able Friendlies not only to efted the rellito.
ton of the public money, burto
_find grounds alfii for
an ingicaehatent ; and that,l4l.lrouiti much tattier
give up my Celerence to the Attorney General than
ant Inspiachtnent, fl Ould &Scant ground appeter_for
that Meatme. 1.1 lamed, the- Houle to pantie be.
fore it conic') 4csitlAl• The CO% BeAvarehle
dentleM* bad not .thooght,p.roper to lidttife his Mat,
Jetty to Cwils toniittle,

though, io fone melro.e. Itr'tteci 4;1•
was of the greaten comeq.ience, therefore, tot k

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fuch meanb alb miAlit completely :diet LAM the ;.l:.
tine tif hi, guilt. •
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Mr. G. -I'ONSONBY did not think that a I •a.
triAl would be equAlly pro& Tve of difctivet y . a
Committee. Suppofe the A t.irts-y General th .tl4l
move in a court ()flaw that accounts be given iela-ive
to the public money, it would be competent to de

mur, under an apprehention that otherwile tbt party
might criminate themfehres ; and if he might jut.e
from what had fallen fri.rn the Right Honourable
Gentleman, he would not be very forward to objet
to it. Suppore Mr. Trotter charged uo interelt of
Lord Melville, or twenty or thirty theufand pounds
at a time, which would be involving Lord Melville
in a participation of emoluments, how could a Court
of Law get at the truth ? A Committee, however,
ml;ht do fornething, as they could avail themfelves
of evidence that might not be ftrituly admiffible in a
court of law, or that a court of law might not hare
in their power to call for. He deprecated the idea
of the Houk tying themfelves up, and putting it out
of their power ever to refunre it again, whatever far-
ther light they might receive on the fubjed. In a
Committee, bides, declining to anfwer quellions
would be equivalent te pleading guilty ; whereas, in
a court of jottice, no conclulion could be legally
drawn from it. He did ri,,t with to be fevere, but lie
withed the Houk to do their duty, and, by a falutary
proceeding, to prevent Inch delinquencies from again

occurring.
Lord HENRY PETTY was not fo well quail•
fled, he Paid, as many others in the Houle, to form a
judgment of theetfea of the interference of the At-

torney General, but profelled hindelf adverfe to every
thing that might in any degree prevent a fall inquiry.
That Lf,rd Melville was guilty, had been a clear de-
cifion of the Houft ; but was there no other Rep to
be taken? Was there no other concluflon to be drawn
from the Report that was equally obvious ? The No-
ble Lnrd concluded by Rating, that the Houk ought
firft to draw all the conclulions that was competent
for it to do, and then to refer to the Attorney-Gene-
ral fuel) points as might appear neceihry.
Mr. WHITBREAD then role, and Hated that as
he preferred a Committee of farther Inquiry, to a
reference to the Attorney Gneral, he withdrew his

motion refpeding the latter.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER re-
gretted that the Honourable Gentleman had with.
drawn this motion, as in a Court of Jullice he thought
there were more opportunities of inquiry than could
be expeeed in a Committee. •

Mr. WHITBREAD could not help obfcrving
that the Right Hon. Gentleman had changed tis
opinion fince a former occafion, when he appeared to
deprecate the idea of an appeal to a Court of Jutlice.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER re-
torted the charge, and contended that it was the
Hon. Gentleman who had changed his opinion.
Mr. WHITBREAD and Mr. GREY explained.
Mr. GRENVILLE spoke in favour of a reference

to the Attorney-General, as a Court of Law had bet-
ter means of procuring evidence, than either a Com.
miffion or a Committee, and coal have withed there-
fore that the Honourable Mover had adhered to his
original defign. In refire& to the powers of the
Committee to be appointed, he was clearly of opinion
that they ought to be genfral, and for that reafon op-
pofed the amendment.
TbeC riANCELLOR oldie IiMIEQIIER raid
that he had propofed the Committee to be inverted
with tpecific and limited powers, under the idea of
a legal profecution, at the fame time as originally
propofed by the framer of the motion.
Mr,. WINDHAM, with his ufttal ability, argued
in favour of an unlimited Committee, which Oland
go into an inquiry of the whole of the Reporty and
then refer faith particular parts of the fuhjea to legal
difeuffion as the Houfe (horrid afterwards think
'wiper. The Houfe ought to have a regard to its
own etiaralier. They ought to be. anxious alto to
make a proper example to prefent future diforders.
They ought not, but with the greaten caution, part
with powers they palled, particularly as the Attor-
ney General might afterwards tell them that he
could effect nothing.
Lord CASTLEREAGH allowed, that the Houfe
ought not to part with any of its powers unlefs con-
vinced that that part which they retigned would be
equally well in the hands of thole to whom they co-
ttoned it as in their own. He thought a legal inquiry
would be mote effectual. At any rate it was not to
he expelled that afiy individual would anfwer before
a Committee if they fhould think that evidence would
be afterwards brought againft them in a Court of
Junice. Should the powers of the Committee be
found too limited, they might afterwards be extended
as neceffity thould require, but at prefent he law no
farther powers necelfary than thofc propofed by his
Right Hon. Friend's amendment.
Mr. BANKS thought it was in the power of the
Hopfe to proceed on the whole billings, and found
any necelTary legal proceedings on the Report. • It
would have been his with, he (aid, to-refer the mat-
ter again to the Commillion, giving them larges.
powers than they.at relent polfelfed. The extent to
which the doEtrine was citified, of not eliminating
one's fell, he conceived to be dangerous, arid would
render all reference to the Attorney General nuga-
tory, as he might be able to obtain no anfwer that
could ferve as evidence.
Mr Serjeant BoTobjeited to an y legal proceeding,
on the ground that it could be of no advantage. If evi-
dence refuted to anfwer Mien °gator ins before a Corn.
inittee on pretence of not criminating titmice's-es, they
would do the fame in a Court of Law. A Commit.
tee, however, would have this advantage over a Court
of Law, that it would not be tied down to any par-
ticular courfe of inquiry. But even fuppollng a pro-
fecution to fueteed, a renitution of the money WAS a
confideration of the lean etmfequence among fo many
others of greater magnitude. He was therefore alto-
tatted at the aineodment the Right Hon. Gentleman
had propofed, which went to much to narrow inquiry,
and dilappoint the anxiety of the public, in proof of
which the table was now loaded with Petitions. The
powers of the Committee, he thought, would be fill-
ticiently limited when confined to the Tenth Report.
Sir JOAN HIPPESLEY vindicated the manner
in which drafts had been made at the Bank. He ad-
verted to the advice given by Mr. Trotter to Mr... Tie-
rney us his•recting Coen Ace, which, he faid, had
bad a cunkletable influence on the public mind, to
the prgjitlies of the former, sial which•did not, be

Was Cure. make that imprelEon, at the time, nn Mr.'
Ticruey's mind aq has been fince reprefented. He
confidered that advice, of which fo much had been
Gid. ail a legacy only, left by Mr. Trotter to Mr.
Tierney, as his friend. The public bad heard much
alto, of a fine palace. bat that palace. he was,war-
ranted k laying, bad not cofl hiceTrotur Rood. nor
was that Gentleman fo rich as had been Rated ' • his
incotne. and he would pledge his word for the file,
was not more than ttool..The ends of public Of-
fice, the Hon. Baronet thought, were already (nfl-
ciently anfwered, and he objetled, therefore. to any
farther meafures.

Mr. TIERNEY contended, in reply to 'the laR
fpeaker, that the drafts made at the Bank might be
conformable to the Aa of Parliament, and yet a
violation of that Alt, becaufe, though made con-
formably to the Aa. they might be drawn for Cer-
vices that had no eziltence. He illuftrated very
forcibly the impropriety, and in Tome cafes the dag-
ger of a balance in the hands of the Paymaller or his
private Banker. The advice Mr. Trotter gave him
on entering into office, related to the nuffengers ens-
played in conveying money, and confined an a new
plan of managing the drafts, fo as to prevent acci-
dents fruits the meffengers lofing, embezzling. or ab-1
fconding with the money,
The ATTORNEY GENERAL Paid, that he had 11
been backward in delivering his opinion, until he had'
now been called upon individually to Rate his opinion
upon the cafe; or. otherwife. as his Right Honour.
able Friend (Mr. Tierney) had expreffed himfelf, no
doubt with the pureft motive, it had been silted how
far the Law-officers of the Crown would undertake
in the proceedmg fubmitted to the Houfe? His rya-
fon for having thus been backward in giving his opi-
nion to the Houle, was, that it bad been always
held as priaper, that the Crows Lawyers fhould re-
frain frost delivering any opinion of their own, when
a motion for them to profecute was before the likaufe,,
unlefs they law that any particular mode was likely,
to be adopted, which would not be afterwards tena-
ble in a Court of Jullice. Now that he had been
called upon, however, he had no hefitation in fay-
ing, that any perfon who fhould be Called upon to
render an account in a Court of Law, might enter
their demurrer. And. if it Mould be proved in a
Court of Equity, that Mr. Trotter had derived a. pro-
ht from the ore of public money, and that a partici-
pation of fuck profits could not be 'traced to Lord
Melr the public would not be able to recover
from him at Equity. He was clearly of opinion,
however, that a proceeding in *Court of Law, would
be much Inert likely to be advantageous to the pub-
lic, than any proceeding which a' Committee of that
Houle could pollibly adopt.
Mr. TIERNEY, in explanation, (aid that he
edit to be dißinaly Rated whether, if Mr. Trotter.
Gould Rate what way the amount of profit which
bad been gained by the ufe of the public money, it
would be confillent with the forms of law in that cafe,
to afk, whether Lord Melville had participated to any,
and to what amount, in fuel profits •
The ATTORNEY GENERAL Rated, that be
believed that, if it fhould be laid that the public mo-
ney which had been Co improper!y applied had been
folly reftored to the public ufe, it would not be in
their power to prefs the queftion farther.
Mr. ALEXANDER obferved, that he had always
had the Lrreateft deference for public opinion. but he
hoped that the day would never come when the
Houfe of Commons would, coptrary to their own
food fence, be induced to adopt a particular line of
conduit in confequence of any public clamour which
might then be ratfed. He had attended minutely to
the different arguments which had been ufed on both
tides, and upon a ferious confideration of the whole,
it appeared to him that the mode of proceeding by
l'w was the molt temperate and difpaffioned that
t iuld be adopted in the prefent inflance.
Mr. SHERIDAN adverted to.the tardy opinion
which he Paid the Attorney General had given ; the
Solicitor General and an HonourableJudge oppofire
had as yet remained filent. But he recollected that
the principal Members .f the South Sea Company
had been aril examined before a Committee of that
Houk, that profecutions were afterwards common-,
cod, and that Come Members had been expelled that
Houk in confequence of the part which they had
taken in that tranfailicm. There was an additional
tallied to be gained by an examination before a Com-
mittee of that Honk, that they could order the ac-
counts of Meer.. Coots and Co. or Meffrs. Drum.
moods to be produced, and they would not dare to
tefufe them.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
explained.
Mr. FULLER reminded the Houle, that an Hon.
Member under the Gallery (Sir J. C. Hippifley, he
refined to allude to), bad raid that be could prove
that the moil magniicent edifices, and the moll Cu-
perb palaces, had been railed out of tsool. a year.
In fuch a cafe he timid be afhamed to belong to any
party, but he thought it his dotty to recommend fur-
ther inquiry into Inch a bufinefs. A great deal had
been Paid about the propriety of perfons anfwering
to queltions which might tend to criminate themfelves.
He knew, without pole:fins at the fame time any
knowledge of the regular forms of law, that it had
been the uniform pratice of every villain a, the Old
Bailey, for theta too years pails to fay. 44 0, Lord,
I mull not anfwer that queßion, becaufe it may lead
to convia myfelf !" But in Honourable Society,
what would be laid to a Gentleman who would an-
wer in this manner ? On the other hand, if a perfon
in office did honeßly confefs that he had mi(ap.
plied the public money, but would prove that he had
,iist done fo to enrich himfelf, the generofity of that
Haute, and of Englifhmen in general was fuch. that
he might be certain of being tree from any further
profecutinn.
Mr. FOX obferved, that the apprehenfions of a
Committee being appointed for the purpofe of in-
quiring into Lord Melville's condne fat heavy on the
minds of all Lord Melvilles friends. The'Attomei
General had even gone fo far as to fay, in of e, that
nothing could be gained by a proceeding at law. if
ht underflood him right,and yet he bad recommended
to the Houk to adopt that mode of proceeding. He
had Paid that, if the guilty participation was not
traced home to Lord Melville. we could not recover
from him; but, in a civil maim+, df what confeqoence
was that, fo as he was able to remover the furs Rated
for his client ? It might be proper in a legal fenfe to
(Ay that a man had a right to refafir giving an anfwer
as lite R eprciestatives of the pea

• • • • • - • •

pie whom they ferred undoubtedly were ; but it was
alto right that they Would do their duty, and take
care that (itch perform thould never at any future pe-
riod have an opportunity of injuring their Conftituents.
Mr. CANNING Paid, that if one mode was adopt-
ed, there muff be a pledge that the other thould be
abandoned. If it was laid that great turns of money
had been loft by the public, the molt certain means
of recovering thole rums, was by a legal procefs. He
fuppofed the Hon. Gentleman had only changed his
mode with the hopes °Coining a few (ray votes.
The SOLICITOR GENERAL was of opinion,
that aU the evidence which was defirc4 to be brought
forward, could be as well enforced in it court of law
as in a Committee of the Houle.

Mr. FON BLANQUE Rated, that whatever might
be the pradice in the particular Court to which the
Honourable and Learned Gentleman alluded, it was
not fo in that which he pradifed in. • I
Mr. WHITBREAD relied on the contradielione
which had been given to the opinion of the Crown
Lawyers, by ftsch refpedable perfons in their pro-
feifions, as his Honourable Friends (Mr. Serjeant
Beft, Mr. Ponfonby, and Mr. Fonblanque.) If he
Mould get any ftray votes, it would be, perhaps, that
.of the Right Honourable Gentleman liimfelf (Mr.
Canning), which it was not anal for him to have.
• The Houfe then divided—For the Amendment
arkw-For Mr. Whitbread's motion t ti—Maj /wit y 78.
Mr. WHITBREAD then Paid that he held in his
hand a lift.of Members whom he meant to propofe
to the ennfidetation of the Honfe, as fit perfons to
compare acC,ommittee to whom the fnbjed Arnold be
referred. It leis of the otmort importance that this
Committee Wald confift of perfons whole chandler
for talents, independence and integrity. &mild give
confidence to the country, and he was Cure that no
objedion would be made to any one of the names that
be held in his hand. They were Melted. without
confiderat ion to party, frortrboth fides of the Mae.
He read over themait, as follows :
Mr Baker Lord Ards bold Hamilton
Mr. Banks Mr. Madetka
Mr. Blackburn Lord Mariano.
Mr. N. Calvert Han. T. Walks
Hon. Spencer Cowper Sir Jahn Wrt Raley
Mn fir Rabat Pole
Han.elreitairepoint Lord Henry Petty I
Hon. John Pane Mr. Sheridan
Sir Jahn Newport Mr. Whkbread
Lord Poiktione Lord Robert Spencer
F. Gregor, Efq
and concluded with moving the firft name, William
Baker, Efq. Member for the County of Hertford.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
objeaed to this mode of naming the Committee. and
moved as an Amendment, that the Committee (hould
be ebofen by ballot.
Mr. FOX exprefed his aftonifliment, that on a
cubjeft of fuch moment the Right Hon. Gentleman
&mild retort to this mode.. Nothing but the moll
perfed.publicity could fatisfy the ends of juftice. or
convince the public that they were in earneft. That
it was perfeely underlined that a fele& Committee
of aI, if cbofen by ballot; was a Committee of per-
lons who. fumehow or another, [poke tbefentiments
of the hliniiter, and if this were chorea in that way,
jealoufy and diftru& would be the eonfequence.—
That this was a Committee to try the Minifters them.
felvea—and that it was a monftrous thing that it
thould be nominated in a way that would counte-
nance the fuppofition of influence.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
sainted, that the mode of ballot was the &neje*
ufage of Parliament in fuch cafes.. That to the pro-
ceedings. of Committees ehofen by ballot, the coon-
trrowed the highell obligations—and he trolled his
friend) 'would not be diverted from following the an.
cient pradice of the Houfe in the belt times by any
infinuations of finiller motive,.
Mr. GREY replied -to Mr. Pitt, and the Houfe
divided. no the motion for a ballot.

AYks sit—Noes I:o.—Majority 13t.
The Hoare will ballot for the Committee this day.
Adjourned at half pat} one o'clock.

LONDON.

FRIDAY. APRIL 26;
FMCS OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE OVLOCRI
Confab, for Mosets 371'40r May 381-'42omalans Si.

The AGa, a spanifb flop from Linuovidt *vain:
able cargo, and 280h000 dollars on board, has beta
captured by the Merfey privateer of Prerrxd, and
fent into Falmouth.

A letter from an Officer in the fqoadron off Offend
Rates. that all the enemy's armed seals have left
that port and gone to the afeftward.

Yederday, after our Paper was at peers, difpatches
were received at the Admiralty from Sirlosie Ouse,
brought to Plymouth, by the F sus lugger, Lieu-
tenant Boca's, containing advice chat. the Toulon
fqnadron, confiding of eleven fail of the line, two fri-
gates (tome fay (even frigates) and am iloop, with
to,ooo troops on board, had eluded the vigilance of
our blockading Nett, and paged the Gut of Gibraltar
on the gth ind. Its &dilation is fuppofed to be for
the Ead

Lord 14st.sos,it is (aid, had obtained intelligence of
the event, and detached a pan of his fqtutdron in per-
fnit of the snooty. It is probetble, however, if he has
been inforried of the movements tithe French Ileet,

that be would follow, Rot with a part, but with
whole of his tquadrou.

Information has likewife beta received of the for.
ward flare of the enemy's preparations in Cadiz. The
Spanifk fleet confifts of nine fail of the line, and
three or four frigates. Great exertions are alfo
making to complete the French 74 which has fo lone
•
been in that hirbour.

We have teeeived Dutch Papers to a late date...-
One of 'that% mentions the (ailing of the Toulci
Fleet, with to,ooo troops on board, conjeaured to
be dellined for* Ea* Indies."—The loth of March
is Wed as 14 day altartgab Ws gest faded. .

-:-~

..: - .

We have received Parisjonenais to die 17th Ina.
The French official journal, the Meeireer. makes
the following remarks by way of notes, to the es-
trafts of intelligence trandated from the Eaglifh Newf.
papers : The Englifh conceal hail the truth—the
fail is, that Hoaaaa's army malts of more than
too,ooo men, without reckoning a body of referee,
compofed of Europeans, enemies to the Englifh in
India, to whom General Dicta. has added two
companies of light artillery, and feveral Officers of
the Staff and Engineers."
44 If it be true that the Englifh troops at Dominica
are only soo men, and that there are only seq.=
Europeans in India, qOOO at Candia, ecooat Jamaica,
and sotto at &Arians and Demerara, it mat be con-
feted that the Easliakem very wrong to keep on the
rock of Malta sooossen, wholeiest be mach better
employed in the idand 6f Ceylun. Or .
44 If the Bret fqnadron had willed to go' out, the
fqoadron of Sir COMMIS COTTON could not have
prevented it, fine it confined only of fizteen
Admiral GONTNIMUNIN was defirous, no doubt, to
exercife the crews and oblige the Englifh, as be has,
already done fever") times Taft winter, to expo&
thensfelees to the equine:dial gales."
On an article from London, dating, that the
Englifh Government means to take poieffion of
Alexandria, and with the affifiance of the Ruffians,
to fecure Egypt againil an attack from the French,
a Note 4s to the following cleft : vi;. " The Eng.
have troops at Malta : if they have tome at Mi-
norca and at Alexandria, what harm does it do to us ?
they have none in Ireland, at Dominica, at Jamaican
in Ceylon, and in the Eafi Indies." ,
The Moslem, of the 16th announces the capture of
an Engl,fh fhip, called the pope, by the-French pet
vateer le Glanneur, Captain Coax y de fasas.ki
the prise was fent to Offend. -
'• • Ad snick from Augsburg, dated. April 76 latest
that letters had been received there froth Vienna,
announcing tie capyre of Belgrade by the infurgents
of Servia,

A Gottenburgh snivel! 41Is 'owning. Our
letters from Stockholm by this conveyance; of the
date of t4th intl. Rate that a cal", to confill of
$OOO men, has been ordered to be formed in Schwan,
and that preparations' are already making for it.
Difpatches were received this morning from St.Pe•
ter {burgh, brought by the King's Mellinger, Mr. Das-
UT, in the fame packet that brought the above moil
their contents halve not !ranfpirid, .

By a letter jaG received from ()twee, dated the
28th February, we learn, that the illand is in a very
healthy fate. Major LLOYD, and the Royal African
corps, are very healthy; the only officer whom they
loft was the Affiflant Surgeon. The Lau (loop of
war has been very unhealthy on that Ration; left
feafon the Soli five officers, and a number of men.
y heard of the war in January, but not officially
—they &iced* rich Spoil!' argil in the river Gam-
bia, on tl4 faith of the report of var.

Yelltrday, in thelioufe of Commons, Mr. Prry
gave notice of his intention, on Monday. to move for
the appointment of a &lea Committee to inquire in-
to the Expenditure of the Army. Alto, for leave to
bring in a Bill to continue the Powers of the Commit-
fioners of Naval Inquiry. Mr. WurraasAus likewife
announced his intention of making a Motion on his
Maims-es anfwer, no receiving the Refolutions of
the Bth of April. It will be of se fimilar tendeqcy
with that which he withdrew on the toth:

A debate not very animated or entertaining, but
certainly very important, took place on the further
proceedings that are to be adopted in regard to Lord
Mt LTII.IB and Mr. TROTT ea. The Oppofition wifleed
that the wholeefthe Tenth Report Ihould be referred
to a Sella Committee, giving up fur the prefent the
idea of liral proceedings for an account as inadequate
to the end ; but referring to themfelies the right to
mime them, Ihould the refult of a Committee juftify
that courfe. The Minificrial fide Were defiroas to
take from the Committee, in the firft inflance, the cog.
nuance of Lord MILYII.I.I and Mr. TIOTTIII, as
debtors to the public, preferring the proceeding in
equity, at the infiance of the Attorney General,
again& them ; at the, fame time they. contended, that
if neccflary, the powers of the Committee might be
enlarged. "On the Motion of Mr. WM ITSIt lAD, for
a large Committee, and Mr. Purr's Amendment,
which went to define the powers tsf the Committee—
s divifion took place, in which the numbers were
ir—
For the Amendment ass)
For Mr. WIIIIIIIIIIID'S MOllOll 151

Majority 78

Sir CHARLES MIDDMON, who is to be created
Baron Batas's, will, it is Paid, occupy the chief
feat at the Admiralty Board, only during the few
weeks that Vifcount ROYSTOV. srandion of the Earl
of KULDWICILIN wants of one and twenty. Whets
that period is accompliiked. Mr. Yolks' will
vacate his feat for Cambridgefkite, for which 1..0rd
Rovrron will be a candidate. Mr. You. will then
take the Admiralty, and his feat in the Houk of
Peers, with the title of Lord Doyle.

American papen to the ith alt. have been receiv-
ed. there we lien that Judge Cm's' was on the
ill acquitted on all the charges brought againit Aim.
This event appears to have greatly enraged the party
who had wolfed hint. and much warm liiicufrum
terwards took pisFe is Cottrell,
••, .6: • . .

MARK-LANL

CORN 12CNAllert APRIL 26.

This day our arrival; of Wheat are large, with
many arrivals of Foreign. So few Bers caufes •
further reduaion of los. per quarter face Monday.
Peas and Beans of both forts keep about our.lati price.
There being no demand for Oats for public fervice,
they are rather on the decline at the clofe of lalt
market day they were at Ids than our currency. Bar-
ley in great plenty. and Rill almofk without Pale.--
Malt at Ids. Fine Flour is not very plentiful, main-
tains its price; other forts lower, and this article con-
feqnently is exported to be cheaper.
GENERAL CURRENCY AS UNDER
Wheats 41e. boa. 08$. per qr. Orel Pak. 374. 10 411.
Pine Dkto, Su. ass. ad. Rime, pa. 46...
RI; 481;541. Tick Diu% 364.415.
inky, 3ss. 374. od. Oats, so. sp. s7s.
MA. 654.
,Ns- Mond ditto. 44. spe.
Wilke Mlle, 41$. 475. Rspe Sea, 00/. to 001. peolaft.
PRICE OF FLOUR.

rim Flfter 7.5.. Coit;./i;teadiiosw a Iss. per flick.

NAVTICA. INTELLIGENCE.

FALMOUTH, APRit. a3.—Sailed the Auckland
packet, Poem's, (acing) with mails for Lilbon, and
theLeicefler packet, HARVEY (Rai%) with mails for
the Windward lflands. Arrived Ins Majeftz's pn
brigs Fervent and Dextereus, to give inftruarons to
viffels here hound to Lilbon, Oporto, and the hie-
diterraneen. llis kajelly's (hips gy. a so, of 0 guns,
Admiral KaidliTs Capt. Palladia ; DRACOII. of 74
Capt. Gain-rim, and a (loop of war, with about 7•
fail of trartfports &c. puffed this port this afternoon,
to the Weftward. Arrived alfo the
_4panith (hip Afla
from Lima, with aBo,ooo dollars, and a very valu.
able cargo of fundries, ize to the Matey Letter of
Marque, of Liverpool, Janvrin and Alarm privateers
of Guernfey, captured in let. 34. long. 36. The
(hip Weftmorland, which we mentioned left week at
having been taken by a French privateer, is not the.
privateer of that name commanded by Capt. Coda.
ALL, 'but a Letter of Marque, called the Weffm or_
land, Capt. Rein, which failed from Liverpool on
-iftse tat of March, and wee takes on the soth by
(;Tench brig, of 46 guns;after an anion in which,Cae!.,
tale Maser Was ditzaily wounded, on which 'the mate
immediately (truck the colours. Four men of the..
late crew of theWeftmorland arrived here yefterday
in the Carteret packet, put on hoard her by an Atne-
rican hoye, about a week agol
Preparations are Mil going on for making this port
a liatioufor his Majefty (hips of War. The T or-
ifice" hoye, arrived lea week from Plymouth, with
throe tranfport bout's and chains, to he laid down io
our Roads.—Wind S.E. '
Pr.ruourn. Aral!. 14.—Came in the Velocie, of
Finme,"fiom Palermo, bound to London, with &n-
-oose ; Lsrcra, Capt. Rowe, from Lifbon ; Laurentio
Maria, from. Frederickftadt, for this Port.
PORVERIOUTp, Ars;i as.—The &gonna man
of war, and the, Garr mourn frigate, with (he fleet
under convoy for the Eaft (ailed through the
Needles this morning. The Duchefs of Gordon Eaft
Indianian rentaiss here. Wind S. E.
Dias, Arius 23.—Arrived in the Downs the
Lotus? gun-brig. Mod- the Ss ecucaroa logger, with
!even of the enemy% flotilla, captured off Cape Grit;
nez, on their pagige-from Dunkirk for. Boulogne,
by the Lana frigate, and Haar? floc/ of war, its
company with feveral other cruisers: have not heard
of any being killed or wounded on our fide. Thep
are fchoyts, each mounting 'three large guns, and
are fent into Ramfgate barbells-. Wind S. E.
YARJEOUTN, Mats as.—Thie morning failed on
cruise, off the Teed, the following (hips of war,
under Rear Admiral Russets, Yip. ST. Atilass, this
Achiteralts flag (hip,; Aerssore, larsairay, Ana.
man?, Instacrottoad SOORTION (loops; and Vasil
gun brig ; the Dutch fleet haring, it is laid. made
fonse mooting:lt. Sailed foe Leith the AutapLa
gate. Artived from &cruise the rentsors frigate ;
Coastline:r (loop, and Atom gun brig. The Sips
remaining hero. twc the Moomourn, of 64 guns
Ptall.ol.l frigate ; Coa 610111:1611T, and Muscat err°
Amps of wur • As w and 6N at* pa brigs; acid Al-
gae lugger. Wind E. S. E.

Yellerday a fpeciat Court of COlllllllO2 Council was
held, in which it was moved maddrefe his btainve
tfpos the fubjea of the nsalrerfations of the Vifcoont
Met.vist.e. Sane very fpirited Refolutions
were nwv-
ed and carried, with the objeainn of only four mem.
hers, two Aldermen and two Consume C.ounciUen:
In the borough a Meeting of the Elfaors was'elfo
held yelierday, upon the fame molt important fub-
jett, when various Refolutions were unanimougy
agreed to, collaring the abufes and dplinquencies
brought to light by the Gommiffioners of Naval En.
qniry, and calling upon the Hoofs of Commons to
detedt and punith the guilty. The thanks of the
Borough were unaninsoufly voted to the Earl of Sr.
Ville INT.

There never was an innance, until the prefent time,
of any Lottery. confining of only thirty thoufand
Tickets, that contained fo large a Prize as 30,0001.
In•the prefent Lottery there are two of that amount,
betides two of zo,osol. three of to,oool. and more
than the ufual proportion of (mallet Capitals. It is
alto an encourageshent to Adventurers, that almoll
all the great Prizes in the two laf Lotteries were fold
is Shares—at Swirv's Office alone more than fif; r
perfons received Shares of the highea Prizes.
" Let thofe laugh who win," rays the old Prove/h.
Stern moralias may rail, therefore, as much as they
pkafe spina Lotteries ; but all their railing camiot
invalidate the afiertion, that many individuals 'Ati'
nually rife, by this means, to opulence arid indepen-
dence, who had no other profpea in life of fo fodder.
an elevation to the pre-eminence-of wealth, not one,
in (bon, of this cynical tribe, but would feriouny re•
joke to polies even but a (hare of the firti drawn
number. in the now fuperlative-rich fcheme, that
pre-
fent4 no lefs a Prize than so,oool.


suhio employers,