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th it with me, when (peaking of events which have
b ivened ;everal years ago, it was an habitual mode
o expreffion. In this particular cafe the expreffion
hi, been the fulled of much acrimonious ingenuity
a )4 wit, though I protelt before you it was meant to
e tvey what was tantamount to a declaration, that
I sever did participate in any profits arifing from an
improper application of the public money.' It is faid,
however, Sir, that I have always (hewn a great pre-
& Pion for the office of Treafurer of the Navy, even
sea n I have continued to aet as Secretary for the'
Hone Department. As a good deal of firers has
been laid on this infidnation, and as it is evidently
I stended to convey a very improper fufpicion ou my
character, it will be neceffary fine me to' offer m reply'
t s it, one or two fimple oblervations. I mull fay,
t ten, that fo far from having any particular preii-
-I:Ction for the office of Tree lurer of the Navy, 'I had'
ne •er varied in an attachment long fince acquiied,
at devoting the whole of my time and my talents to
the Arabs of our government in India, and my ori-
ginal appointment to the Treafaierthip of the Navy
wore principally nut of the intimate connellian there
was betwixt the affairs of the Navy and the bufittefs 1
of the India Board, over which I piefidetl. As to
my acc-ptance of the office of Secretary for the
Home Department, I feel it due to myfelf to fay, '
that I accepted it only for a few months, in the
abfence of a Noble Lord, who was then abroad on
an important million. On his return, I earneltly fo•
licited my Sovee eign to allow me to refign, and dedi-
cate all my attention to the India Board—but he
was then gracionfly pleated to command the conti-
nuance of my fervices. I have to add this, which I
c in do with truth, that I never continued one day in
that office in conformity to my own inclination.—
There is one perfnn prefent, and perhaps others, who
know this haternent to he correct. 111 did not retire
from that office afterwards, it was,hecaufe the circuits-
awes of the country, and the inclinations of my
gracious Mailer did not admit of it. I have now oc-
euplea x confiderable part of the time of the Hoare in
obferiation, generally calculated to explain My -views
of the conchiliOns formed on the matter of the toth
Repotr:' 1t !hall now go on td make a few remarks
on the ftatements contained in the Report cf the
Committee which novi lies on yoUr table. Pttmit
thither, 'Sir', lift of all to obferve, that if the Com-
MitieChad included in their refearches a wider range,
and examindd with greater minutenefs into feveral
asoinfs;*they would at once have given the Houfe a
fairer vie* of the fubjea, and afforded me a more fa-
tisfadoiy opportunity. of vindicating my character. As
the Report now (lands, however, I (hall trouble you
Trivia few remarks. I mull obferve, generally, of the
evidente given by Mr. Trotter before the Committee,
`that it was given tinder circumftances which do not
entitle it to ill that confideratinn, which under other
circumtlances muR necefrarily have. attached to it.—
It will be recolleaed that Mr. Trotter admits be is
not poffiffed of the means of corroborating his Rate.
merits by written' ocuments, and that he goes back
to accounts of tranfaltions for eight, ten and four
teen years. While I Rate this as an otrjedion to his
evidence being implicitly received, I may at the fame
time add. that I have not the means in my power
of in every cafe diftinaly defcribing tranfadinto,
which happened at fo dillant a period. lam corn
pletely at Trotter's mercy, for I have no %melets
to enable me in all cafes to afcertain how far" the
accounts be lays before the Committee are corre/G-.
That Come of his flatements, however, are materially
inaccurate,. I have no hefiration in afferting, and be-
fore I fit down (hall be able to prove inconteftibly
that in one inflance his account is totally incorrea.
The fief part of his flatement, to which I beg leave
to-advert is, that part of his evidence where be (peaks
of advancing me a furn of twenty thoufand pounds.
Here it is not a little remarkable, that the very next
day he hai a different recollection of the tranfadion
in his examination before the Committee, for he then
adds three thoufand more to the (tun which he had
formerly fpecified. When we find loch a differenie
hf flateinent even with refped to Inch a fum. I think
it may be fairly prefumed, that Mr. Trottei's me-
mtsry is not now fo good as it was conceived and be-
lieved to be Tome years ago. Now, the next circum-
Rance worthy of remark- in this part of the Rate-
inent, ii what Mr. Trotter advances refpeCting Mr.
Tweedy's rupporsel conne&ion with me while Tree-
Curer. 'Throughout the whole of his evidence, an
impreffion is created, that Mr. Tweedy abed with
refpeet to me, in fomething of a confidential capaci-
ty. At the end of his evidence, however, lie de-
clares dillinaly, that he conftdered Mr. Tweedy as
nothing beyond a fimple meffenger ; on this point
my own recolleetion is paled, and that is, that Mr.
Tweedy on no occafion whatever, ever acted beyond
the capacity of a meffenger, and that I never had,
With refpea to him, any confidential communication
on any peCuniary concern, in the whole courfe of my
' emanation with the Navy Office. I think it proper
for me to (late this, becaufe, from a certain part of
Trotter's evidence, it might be infinuated that my
connexion at any time with this Tweedy, was of that
confidential defcription, which might induce a fufpi-
cion that he was a ufeful perfon for condoling pecu-
niary affairs of a delicate nature. But, the queftion
does not reft on my affertion only, but is fully con-
firmed by the evidence of the younger Tweedy, who
on his examination denies all knowledge of any con.
fidential intercourfe with refped to pecuniary affairs
between his father and me; or indeed of any connec-
tion of his father in Somerfet Houle, but as a mere
• common mefrenger. His books too were erarcined,
and nnt a tittle of evidence to rapport Inch a fort of
connection at all.exifted. Here then a part of Trotter's
evidence was found to be matei bosky incorrea and con-
fared. With raped to a (urn of ten thoufand pounds,
laid to be advanced, I do not mean to ;flake any ob-
jedinn to the fad ci the advance. though it is imr.of-
fible for me to fay in what manner it was applied.—
The Houle are aware, that very loon after I becatne
connected with Adminiftration, I was the confiden-
tial advifer of the Crown with refped to the affairs of
Scotland. Ido not fay that I was officially invefted
with this character till I was appointed Secretary of
State for the Home Department*, but long previous
to that period, I was virtually invefled with that im
portant funaiou. In the courfe of the advice which
I thought it my duty to give, I certainly might have
pointed out modes in which this non of ten thoufand
pounds might be idefally laid ont in Scotland, brit
certainly I shall never hold mjfelf bound to difclofe
to circuutilances of this application. Neither pri-

sate homer nor public duty could authotifefueh A'
difeloture. When I was called before the. Clarninif*
,fioners 9f Naval Inquiry, I certainly did refute to
give an account of this, and a further fum of
.forty
thoufand pounds advanced and expended for confi-
dential fervices of Government, and should have
held najfelf culpable indeed if I fqffered my fenfe pf
duty tothe public to be overcorne by.any other confi-
*ration. If 1 were to difclofe fame of thefe confiden-
tial tranfaOions, then indeed much of that obloquy.
which has beensthrown on my head would affurne the
charader of jullice. Ai
.to what Mr. trotter has;
ahought fit to advance about his occalional advancet'
to me, I fhonld certainly fay, that never till now
could! have -conceived that any fireir tranfadions ever,
ersoleitiace. Thatte should have adeasee4 me /urns'
of from ten to twenty thoufand pounds at a time, is,)
from the date of our tranfadions, altogether incom
preirenfible, and could not indeed-have taken place.,
Tn put the Houfe in polteffion of fome inforetratio,n'
of the advance of twenty-three thoufand pounds, it
will be necelfary for me to refer to the eircumflances
of the Loyalty Loan. The Houk will remember,
that, when that Loan was propofed, it was judged
proper that per fons in high official fituations ftpuld
join their names to the fnbfcription, .with a view
of encouraging fo patriotic a 'meaure. Among
others of his Majefiy's Minifters at that period, I
1 engaged for a certain funs, and to the beik of
my I ecolleelion the money for paying the firs!inftal.
ment was fent from Scotland. Previous to the time
when the fecond inftalment was to be paid the Rocks
had fallen, and it was by me thought proper that the
money (horrid be raifed by lonic ether means.—
Through the medium of Mr. Coutts the money was
advanced, but certainly not without ample fecurity.
A power of attorney was immediately prepared on
my part, not only authorizing thole by whom the
money was advanced to draw the dividends, but to
fell out as Cron as a favourable opportunity prefented
itfelf. With raped to any intereft for money ad-
vanced by Trotter on my account, it never appeared
to me an objelt of any confederation, fince, knowing
that in the conrfe of fourteen years confiderahly up-
wards of ao,oool. of my private property had pallid
through- his handv, and therefore' the balance, if
there was any, could not he confiderable. From the
confufion in the mode of keeping the accounts, this
balance could not eafily be afcertained. This, how-
ever, I am quite perfuaded, that advances of ten or
twenty thouland pounds never could at one period
have earned in Mr. Trotter's favour on the general
account.*On the lubjed of the forty thoufand pounds
advanced to the lu'ufe of Boyd and Bepfield at a very
trying crifis, I (hall notnov, make many obfervations,
ash is not at relent the futrjed urged dire/fly agaiqll
my charader. 1 certainly have only a wade of Oft
ference with Mr. Pitt, as teilhe eireundiances which
gave rife to that tradadion. I undoobtedly.did she
my advice in' favour of the foiopriely of the
_ad-
vance, and I take my full &ire of the merit or the
'criminality of the bufinefs. The • communication Of
Mr. Raikes to Mr. Pitt of the fums of money dravtu
oat of ;he Bank for fervices not Naval, or fat the per-
pole of being lodged in the hands of a private banker,
was made known to me at the period when it took
place, and a converfation, though of very Thant con-
tinuance, ensued on the fubje.sl. In what particular
manner 1 exprefed myfelf to Mr. Pitt, I cannot at
this dittairce of time remember ; but, as far as
try recollection goes, i molt have reprefented the ru-
mour as merely idle, and in that light, 1 may qn.
donbtedly have deferibed it. At the time I made this
representation, I certainly had fuch a bona jade im-
preffion on my mind, and with this convretion I
fairly flared my fentiments. The belief on my mind
was, that by the proper conftrudion of the Aft of
Parliament no violation of law had taken place, and
no lois to the public had been curtained. The lots
fuftained to the public by the defalcation of Jellicoe
has been imputed to me as a matter of blame. I
afire you, hoivever, and the Houle. thlt I never
hate felt in the whole of this bufinefs fo much at cafe
as in this tranfiretion. The defalcation it is well
known was antecedent to my conneetion wit!. office,
and therefore to me no fort of negligence or crimina-
lity can fairly be imputed: The releafe I obtained
from the debt due to the public, under such
(lances, I confidered not as a matter at aU of favour.
but of arid Office : and, if I had not obtained it, I
fhould have had good grounds for Paying, that I had
experienced at the hands of thepublic harlh and fe !ere
treatment. There is, before I leave this fubjeft, one
point on which I' feel it peculiarly incumbent on me to
make one or two obfervations. The Mirka to which I
refer is the Releafe, Rated to have been executed be-
twixt me and Mr. Trotter, for the dellrudion of all
documents relative to our mutual tranfaelions. I feel
it the more necelfary to fay a few words on this point,
as I know the exigence of fuch a document has ere;
ared a very unfavourable impreffion in the minds of
fome individuals of the molt honourable and candid
charaders. I am fenfible, Sir, that the exigence of
Inch a document has been corral-tied into an evidence
of my guilty participation with Trotter in the mifap-
plication of the public money. If, however, either
the evidence or the nature of the thing is looked to;
this firfpicion will appear to be totally void of truth.
Let Gentlemen confider • where the deed was exe-
cuted. It was fent down to me for execution in Scot-
land, when at a diflance of upwards of four hundred
miles. How it came I cannot now afcertain, whether
it was fent in a frank, or whether it was brought by
a man of bufinefs efpecially employed for that put..
pore. This only I r‘colltet, that it was ligned at my
ton's honfe in the country, and that the only two
witnefies were two menial fervants. If I am afked
whether any converfation ever took place on this
fuhjeft with Trotter? I anfwer readily and explicitly,
No • and confident I am, if the fame quell-lon were
raked him, he would give a fimilar anfwer. If I were
again eked whether I ever gave Mr. Spottifwood or
his fon any order to prepare Arch an instrument ? I
should anfwer unequivocally, No ; and I am fuze
they would confirm the affeveration. Is it poflible
then, I defire any man to confider with himfelf,' to
conceive that, if fuch a document was of fo vafi im.
i:partance, it 'Mould never have been eanvallbd in con-
verfation betwixt the parties principally concerned ?
If it was fn et/andel, why was it not fettled by a per-
fonal interview, infiead of the mode which I have
deferibed ? Surely, if there were guilty conneftirme
betwixt the two parties, and they were mutoallfr
a:s-tid of vouchers appearing againft them, common
fenfe would have taught them .to fettle the brifittek
by a mutual agreement to deßroy documents of Co'

dangerous a defcription. Ts it to be believed that if
Any foul proceedipp exified, that men of honour, like;
Mr. Spottifwood and his fun were to be let into the;
feeret and pot in poffefflon of the very document by
which the record of that guilt,of which the partieiwere 1
afraid, thould be perpetuated ? Whitt, however, rep-1
dery .the frptiofition 'Rill more ablurd, is, that the 1
deed contained a caufe of Regifkration, and here an
1 infiturnent, nominally intended to flicker guilt,'
was to be put on the records of a Conn, where on
,any future oceefion it might be appealed to as an in-
firument of condemnation. Botitis laid as a ground
of fufpiciqn, that the document was drawn up about
theprecife time that the Nevel Commenonets were:
appointed. -This, Sir, is Cutely a avenge fort of con-
elution. if the appointment Of the Naval Conunif-1
Toners filed -Mr. Trotter and myfelf with filch.
fudden clifna7_, the expedient we fell on to get rid of!
our fears, vai one pf a very notable .defceiption. In-'
Read of quietly ecinfigning our papers to the lames,,
and this evading all difcbvery, we draw up a bond
of releafe .vitii& thefe formidable Commiffonert
get poffeltion of, and thus give rite to a thoulaed fuf-
',winos pchich.Could not otherwife have citified. In
every view of the fubjed, therefore, the exiftenee of
the deed of releafe is no ground of fufpicion. Its very
exiltence ja a proof that the vouchers dedroyed were
not nf a nature which at all proved A participation
of the profits of public money, improperly applied
to purpofes of private advantage. Whether nega-
tively or politively contidered, the cetileaCe of the
deed is the reverie of a ground of (ufpicion. I %hall
not much longer occupy the atteption of the Houle.
I can affure thole Hon. Gentlemen who have been
molt forward in attacking me, and the Houfe gene.
rally, that my fpirits may continue to be, as they
have been already, cruelly afflided by that perfe-
cation which has affeiled me, but, if they think
that they will 'he able to bear me down by their
violence, they wilt find themfelves greatly deceived.
My feelings have been, indeed, dreldfolfy lacerated.
—My moll fiffegtiooate 'limits, agd my neareft and
demoti relatives, hair pertoken dimity of my fuller-
logs—Ada:jogs Doi aliule aggravated by reSeding
who were force of thofe by whore hands the blovis
were inflifted,t—Situated as I am, however, I have
La befitation in fayieg, that I am prepared for the re-
full, whatever may be its nature. I Arita that my
character, now Co: unjultly traduced, Will loon come
to be underilood is its true colours. I trait the time is
rapidly approaching, when my accufers will be put
to Menet, and the &alias I have rendered the coon•
try be fully acknowledged. If, however, I Ibould
'snot lire to fee my charade, fully exonerated from
the load of calumny under which it is now oppreffed ;1
even were Ito fink down to the tomb calumniated as
a public defaulter, I fhould die in the petted con-
oidion that pofierity would do me juilice, and that
tbe'pen of the impartial hifforith would refcue my
name from unmerited obloquy. Before I retire, I
Mull fay a very few words oo the nature of the mo-
•tion which is to be fnbmitted to the Houle this day.
If it is adopted, it will. place me in one of the
bioft extraordinary fituations that ever fell to the
tot of a homan being. I am told, Sir, that all that
has hitherto taken place is pot to be confidered,
if a punidiment, as at all adequate to the magnitude
of my offence. Is it no punilhment, Sir, to be fiig-
matifed as a perfon unfit for any flotation of public
troll, unfit to be admitted to any participation in the
councils of his Sovereign ? Is it no puniflunent to have
the sigma of the higbCourt of Parliament pronounced
againit me, and that Ifigma publifhed from one end of
the kingdom to another? Even, Sir, if the motion of the
Impeathment were fuccefsful, what heavier punillo
Tent could be inflided, than that which I have alrea-
dy endured ? Does any man fay that what I have fuf
fered is not pimilliment ? Does any man pretend to
fay, than an attack on my fame, my honour, my
feelings, my charaigter and my poßerity, is no pu.
niflutrent f Surety this is adding infult to perfecu-
tion, and aggirivation to fuffering. But in addition
to all that nave already fuffered, have not this Houfe
' ordered the Attorney• General to profecute me for
rellitution of any profits foppofed to be derived
from the participation of the benefits arifing from the
toirapplico;ion of the public money.? Is this no pu.
nifhtnent lsit nothing to one looking forward to
fpend his left folitude and repofe, to becompelled to
endure all the anxieties and proceedings in a Court
of Law ? Is it nothing to look forward, at the
ch'fe of life, to peifectition and beggary ? But I
will not infiti further on thefe points. I leave them
to the feelings and candour of the Houfe. But who,
I beteech the Houk to confider, would, in cafe th;
impeachment were carried, be my judges ? The
Houle are aware that many Nobletords have inter-
cited themfelves warmly againil me, in different parts
f of the kingdom. Are thefe Noble Lords now fit to
- be my impartial Judges I—.lt is a fufficient objedion
againfi a juryman, that his partiality and prejudice
are afcertained. Surely then violence of prejudice is
fully as wrong an objedion againft a Judge.
I !hall fuppofe another mode of trial which they
might have figured to themfelves. Would the men
who, by every means in their power, have endea-
voured to poifon the minds of the people egainft me
by fpeeches at Palace yard, or by harangtics at the
Common Hall, with the very fame pertuns to com-
pote the Jury by whom I am afterwards to be judg-
ed ? Men whole feelings anti prejudices are already
pnifoned- againdlirne. This indeed induces me to be-
lieve that the rumours which I have heard, of a pro
pofal to impeach me, were never let ionfly entertain-
ed. Feelings fuel) as there can never be fuppofed to
agnate the people of this country, nor the reptefea-
tatives of the people in this Houle. This leads me to
another confideration, femewhat fonder in its na
tore. A civil procefs has been ordered to be inflitu-
ted againft me for the recovery of money,. Is it
meant that both proceffes fhould go on at the fame.
time t That the perfons examined in the one fhould
be transferred to give their evidence in the other, jai
as eircumitances might fcem to warrant 1. That the
Attorney General might r with the evidence which,
he had been able to obtain in the civil fuir, and put
it into the hands of the perfon managing the itn•
:peachment ? Or, wire verja, if any fads came out in
ette'emfrfe of the impeachment, were they, without
more 'ceremony, to be again brought forward in the
civil ration ? I alit, is iirecoricileable with any one
feeling of juilice that (itch a multiplicity of proceed-
ings Humid be allowed to go on at the fame time ?
Di- that; for the inflidion of one jolt and adequate
QhmEnt, feparate and different fpecies of pro-
'''i Ihduld• be inßitated ? Would it not hive

been faint that the whole of the bullnefsfhonld hal,
been taken together; that one trial, one judgmet.:,
and, if neceffary, one punilhment fhould have been
infliaed ? If I am thus to be marked our, I truit I
(hall not be a folitary objea of a punifnment unet-
ampled in its nature. and which cannot be focetioned
without endangering the fafety of Come of the gaol
honourable families for rank, talent and charaaer is
the kingdom."
Immediately after concluding his Speech. 'Lord
Vifcount Metvicts withdrew. And after force little
paufe,
Mr. WHITBREAD role, and addreffed the Houfe
in afpeech of which the following is meetly an outline:
,* It mutt have afforded a great fatisfaftion to the
,Houfe.
,and I flectare it has afforded great fatistoetion
to me, as the .perfon to whofe lot it has fallen to oii-
ginate the proceedings again(! the Noble Lord, that,
The has hot at lah tad liberty, he has, however,
roken an opoortoolty to enter on Iris .defetwe. I olio
ma be allowed to fay, that it around Use loan Lit
store fatistaetoey to enc. if, oorifiltentlyarrith the forms
of the Hoge. the Noble Lord could have been pre-
fent to hear What !hall be salledgod .apinft him. ,I
would have expeaed after the affertions of innocence
which the Noble Lord has made, *gate mould have
been prepared to have pointed out tome means by
which the truth of his affertions might have been
brought to trial. As his affertions ate contrary to
the evidence taken on oath before the Coon mifionses
of Naval Inquiry, to that taken before the Beloit
Committee, and even in a great 'ileac= to Isis own I
evidence, the Noble Lord can hardly topple that we
-atoll be induced to peter his orefeit arartions. woe.
corn ponied by proof of any kind. I notsrallytuppofed,
the Noble Lord 'being fo confident in his innocence,
that he would have been antions to hove gone challis
,trial. His (pees!), however, delivered in this Houfe,
_glows, that 'he is pot willing to enter into any fuck
iovejtigotion. He tells you. that oa trial can now
itofiver the cods of jolt ice. You cannot impeach him ;
the Peers have prejudged him. You cannot proceed
agaiutt hint ot Clitnnion Law ; the Juries of this
cottony, to far as the Noble Lord is concerned, ate
cootominated. Becaufe the condodt of the Noble
Lord has been' fuch as to excite the indignation and
to *route the refentment of every hooch man wbo
has had an opportonity of contidering it. therefore
the couotry is to be arraigned ; therefore, the Noble
Lord, profiting by the enormity of his rffeoce, is to
avoid punithment ! But, even fuppofing that a Tri-
bunatnot liable to the obje.9ions urge,' by the Noble
Lord could have been found, all the argument of
-his lanrdthip, as to ;be impoffibility a proceeding
againft him, remained entire. Your proceedings--
the proceedings of the Houle of Commons—have,
according to the ideas of the Noble Lord, been fuels
ai to preclude the polEbility of any farther invelliga-
lion. I however maintain the contrary; and I call
on the Hon. and Learned Gentleman oppofite to tae,
to watch what I have to fay on this point, and to
thew in what terra my ideas are erroneous.. Then
is, however, a thing to which I mutt alludelo.partng:
. An Hon. Gentleman. on a former night, aked ill
!peke as the organ of the Committee ? That gaeftioft
was turely unnecefary-, I had not let a word drop
which could denote fo. If the Committee had an or-
gan it mutt be their Chairman. But though the god-
lion was unneceffory, it was not put without adefign.
It was obvioufly meant to infer, that I was bringing
forward my ornien contrary to the opinion of the
Committee. This I deny. The Committee have ex--
Bread no opinion on the Cultic& ; and I. as as jade-
. penclent Member of this-I.lole, and asamentber °tam
Committee, feel myfelf vtortanted in fulunittiug M
the confideration of the Houfe the motion which I
(hall this night have the honour to make. It cannot
but be in the recollection of the Houle, that it was my
with. after the original refolutians were voteddeclare-
tory of the condua of Lord Melville, that a Com-
mittee humid be appointed to enquire into his parti-
cipation in the emolument orifing from the pee of the
public money. The Houle interfered, mid the remit
as to the participation of the Noble Lord was eh-
Rained from. The rehriaions then thrown on the
Committee were afterwards found to be inefficient,
and againft the coutfe of jollice. A civil Ink was
then moved, and a criminal anion being moved to be
fobflituted for it, the amendment war neived.—
This was the hate of proceedings which bad taken
place. The Noble Lord maintains that in this fitua-
ring the Houfe are precluded from proceeding to in-
peacbruent. If bis affertion. however, be good for
any thing, I would with to know how the privileges
of this Houfe would hand with rcfpcift to the right
of the Crown ? The Crown toight,ot any time, dire&
a civil fait to be brought, and. it would. at once, ac-
cording to the Itatement of the NobleLprd, bar your
impeachment,! But are there not frequent iollauces
of two aaions proceeding at the fame time for the
f• ne offence ?*As in the cafe of an affault, in which
both compenfetion to the party injured, and puoifit-
ment for the outrage committed, might legally bete-
miired ? A civil anion is for a compeofation io mosey.
A criminal profectirion, or an impeachment, is. for
punifltment of the offender. And, I again affert, that
we will not difcharge our duty to the public, if we
think that money can in this cafe prove any thing like.
.a compenfation. But what is there ko prevent the
Houle from abandoning the order which they have
already adopted, and as they have &I-coverer:Li:roe-
thing more atrocious than they were at Ern moue of,
and from which their fulpicions haw been arensehes-
ed, to order an impeachment to go forward. Ind the'
civil aetion either to be wholly abardanect or to he
fulpenderi till the impeaelinseart is at as end ? The
Noble Lord has laid, Will you, do in my cafe what
you haw never done in any other ? I. alike:, No.
In the cafe of Mr. Haiongs there was a Mail fait de-
.pending againit him in Chancery, at the fame time
that the impeachment: was proceeding. Lord Lough-
borough ordered proceedings in the civil fuit to be
forpended tili the impeachment was at an end. I
Fireffitne the Honourable and Learned Gentleman
oppogte has not yet made very c.,nfidetable progrefi
in the bufinefs ; nor willany delay be attended to
him with great inconvenience. Wish refpea to the
appeal made by the Motile Lord to the feelings of
the Houle, I. hope it will not be ts.,ppofed that I do
not feel. as I ought fr r any man t I rank, family and
talent, who is involved in loch oicgracetel charges as
thole which un:ortuitately do attach to the Noble
Loud. But it is impidfible foe me ro allow my feel-
ings to interfese.with my. duty, The defence let u;
by the Noble Loed is. fo• Lox *bort of what I (hoot,'
have expcicd, that I-coafafait rather furnilbes topics

on which I fee additional ground of aectsfatiott, an 4
on which I am anxious to have additional light.—
The propofition which I originally made was that.
Lord Melville fhould be difmiffed from all offices
of troll and confidence. Inflead of this the Noble
Lord was allowed to withdraw himfelf and to
refign. The Right Hon. Gentleman afterwards
at a lubfequent period, oppofed the propofal for dif-
sniffing him from his Majefty's Councils forever, and
for expunging his name of the Council Roll; and he
was finally allowed again to withdraw, not in conk-
coience of a vote of the Houfe, but by the AR of the
Sovereign, on the recommendation of the Right
lion. Gentleman, in confeqaence of a dread of the
Refolution of the Houk. After what has now come
oot, I think it impoffible not to vote fee an impeach-
ment or tome criminal proceeding againh Lord
sale. There never was a Committee in which there
•.,: as more unanimity as to the evidence received—
and circumhances did come ontbefore that Commit-
tee
which unqueflionably lead me to fay' and to be-
lieve that Lord Melville did participate in the tale of
the public money. ft may befaid "it Was not the
objeCt of the Committee to make any. ditiovery of
this kind, and therefore yon are not entitled to gn on
any thing which there came out." This I can never
agree to. Suppling it were referred to a Solicitor to
look into the affairs of his employer, particularly in
fo far as his Steward had' (hewn any partiality to par-
ticular perfons, it being at the fame time Rated that
corruption was by no means mean to he attributed
to the Steward, and that in the cootie of the invehi-
gation it Mould come out that the Steward bad been
guilty of partiality, from corrupt motives, would' it
not be the duty of the Solicitor to Rate this difeoves y
to his employer ? In like manner, it is not my duty,
when a point of this nature comes out incidentally
before a Committee to whom the condo& of Lord
Melville in other points conneßed with the charge is
referred, to fay that he ought to be impeached ? But
I lapel we are nail only on the very verge and brink
of the difcovery. But as from the paring of a giant's I
nail we may be prefumed to form tome idea of his
nature, fl from the minute difcoveries which we
have )et been enabled to make, we may, I think,
form fume trifling notion of the enormity of the fyr-
tern which has been praeifed. I (hall therefore re.'
since what I have to fay to three -diflina heads. Pura,
The grofs violation of the law and high breach of
ditty incurred by Lord Melville, in his counieing at,
the breach of an Aa of l'.ll-liament, of which he him.
tell had beta the framer.— Secondly, Lord Melville's
participation in the• emoluments arifing from that
breach of an Aft of Parliament. On this head, I
pledged myfelf to certain friends and relatives of the
Noble Lord, to bring forward his condo& whenever
I fhould fee reafon fo to do. I mean, therefore,
this night, to redeem my pledge on that head.—
Thirdly, I mean farther to thew that he praaifed an
impofition and fraud on the public by contriving,
under falfe pretences, to get an acquittance of the
debt due by Jellicoe. As to the first, the Noble Lord
himfelf confeffes that it may be a violatisn (tithe law,
but it is not a grofs violation. I (hall not attempt :o
enter into any fuch nicety of diflinCtion. It is Ili&
cient for me to fay, that the Noble Lord has admit•
ted that he did connive at this mifapplication by Trot-
ter. But he Pays it was neceffary to do fo to a cer.
twin extent, and the permiftiow he gave was limited.
I maintain, however, that it was unlimited. That
Mr. Trotter did actually draw to the extent of a
million at a time, and that he might have drawn to
any extent. One thing I charge him with, that it was
put beyond his own controul. It was pot into the
houfe of Coutts, and might be drawn out from thence
is Trotter pleafed. lint what was added to this in
the Seletl Committee ? Not that he had given this
power to Trotter alone, but that Trotter had alto de-
legated a fimilar power to Whim, with whom, on his
going to Scotland, he left blank drafts to be filled up
to any amount. Wilton again might have dejegated
this power to fame other fulxirdinate perfon, and to it
might have gone through all the petty clerks in the
office. I have already declared my opinion that the
Right Hon. Gentleman (Canning), was to blame in
not difmitling Wilton; I mutt now do that Gentle-
man the juffice to fay, that no perfon could have be-
haved better or more correCtly before the Committee,
and that I underhand his character in'the office to be
without blame. Having heard fo, I think it but fair
to Rate it. But hill I mutt again repeat that his re-
futing to anfwer queftions before the Naval Commit-
tionets, did him nd credit, and that it ought to have
been marked by fotne puni(hment. The Noble Lord
tad faid, that till this period he had had no oppor-
tunity of making his defence. He forgets, however,
that he was examined before the Commiffioners of
Naval Enquiry on oath, when he might' bare given
'any explanation he thought'neceffary ; and that when
the Report was putliffied, and notice of the Motion.
Liven, he had then the lam. opportunity of being
heard or, he hail this day. The Noble Lord teems
to think the AR not fo good or valid as the Paymaf-
ter of the Forces' Bill, becaufe it is not fu long.—
But whole fault was that, but the fault of the Noble
Lord who brought in the Bill ?With re'ard to Trot-
tet, the'Noble Lord has faid fame very extraordinary
things, leading us to believe that he is not a perfon to
be trolled. He would make us believe that Trotter
bad never great fume in his hands. He had indeed
tome money; but it woo limited and inconfiderable.—
Mut does not the Noble Lord know'that Willon on
one occafion drew out ao,oool. for a fervice alltnled
to this night ?—Then comes a moll eitraordinary
admiflion of the Noble Lord: Ile had fame idea
that Mr. Trotter might make tome • (mall r •tit
from the occafional fmall flanslying at his Banket's ;
but this he was led to fuppofe from his being a
Seotfman, and • knowing the prattice of the Banks
and Bankers at Edinburgh.—The Noble Load is
not fo ignorant of tranfaßions of the kind in this
country as not to know—he mull have known well
that it was not cuflomary for Coutts, for Drummond,
or any other Banker to make allowances for any
ordinary fums remaining in their hands, but that
fuch allowances were only made on large and ex-
traordinary balances. Yet the very next moment
after, the Noble Lord has thus induced us to believe
that he has been deceived by Trotter, he loads him
with panegyrics. Trotter, no doubt, did give con
fufed anfwers before the Committee. He was aflced,
in different fhapes' as to Lord Melville's participa-
tion, and be uniformly refuted to anfwer.—Wnold
au man, however, credit the affection, or would even
I.3ed Melville himfelf pretend to fay, that he believ-
ed that from the mode of mixing the accounts it was

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impoikble to tkllingtiifh his private rboitej ricon that' fhnlitd have ihetvn that the greater pin of the too-
reallY 'belonging to the public ? The affertion is ney 101 l through Jellicoe had been balances left• ir.
fundamentally and paipably falk. Trotter is the his hands during the Odminiftration of Lord Mel ',
creature of public money ; his property is nothing vine's predeeeffors, as had been aliened. Did he Co?'
elfe. Whit was he when Loid M. firft found him ? Before the Noble Lord, the deficiency had never l
a Clerk in Somertet Houk: tie raifed him to a ft= amounted to more than 70001. and had been reduced
tuation of gaol. a year. bn this falary he contrives. to 9001. When his Lurdatip came into office. Un
to live in cafe and affluence, and is alinoß imtnedi- der Lord Melville It increafed, at one time, to i
ately able to lend Lord Melville firms to any extent, 37,0001. The whole deficiency, therefore, was his
and with Out interell. lf; as the Noble Lord would Lordfilip's, except 9001. for which his predecellors
reprefent, there was a neceffity for haying force part were anfwerable. But whch the deficiency is finatly
Of the money in a banker's hand, why not come for announced, was the utmoft done to recover the ho-
Ward with the fad and have the law altered ? In lance from Jellicoe's affairs ? From um up to ilko
point of Loft, however, it was ithpoflible that the Corns no tneafures were at:lively taken for that purpofe.—
to which he had alluded, of fourteen &Wings, and The flubs too that had been paid prior to the warrant
loch like; could ,be paid in any way but out of the of the privy feat were paid to his Lordfhip's account,
iron circa, which alone ought to be ufed for the faudl Ind no part placed to that of his prednefios ; and
payments of the office. eel. difcovered afterwards and obtained from Jelli-
The Honourable Gentleman then proceeded to eon's effeas were paid—to Whom ?--to the public
Chew that though it was impoflible to fay what the treefury ? No ! they went to pay the fees of the
tors to the •public from this fyltem Bad been, one warrant granted to his Lordfhip 1 So that he did not
article which could not be difputed inuft be efteenled, pay elven for the paper of his title deed!. After all,
the additional Calory given to the Noble Lord for the Right Honourable Gentleman fhould have (hewn
the difcharge of a duty, which he had undertaken his precedents for acquittance in this cafe. If .it de-
and violated. At firft Trotter pretended' to recol. manded acquittance in equity, the method Should
lea nothing. Afterwards, however, be began to grow have been ntherwife. This was exenfed by no pre-
a little better, and, like a man awoke from a dream, cedent. The Noble Lord had Paid much to induce
to recoiled not more than had happened, as the the Houfe to believe in a Rory he had made of hi:
Noble Lord would rem-dent, butTuch parts only as preferences of one 40001. per annum before another.
by degrees came into his mind. What was the na lowas plain, however, that his Lordfhip always
total prefumption kom all that had occurred t Was looked upon the Treafurerfhip of the Nato, as a fine
it not that Lord Melville had participated ? And cure. and a place for his private emolument. He
if he had not, how could that Houk or the pub. had Paid that place was always defigned to go with
tic ever be penliaded of his innocence till be came the Board of Controul. That was a linguist and
to a trial? On what principle could the burning hardy affertion. But if fo, why.has not the Noble
and deflioying of books and vouchers be otherwife Lord oppofite to him ( Lord Caftlereagh) the Tree.
accounted for ? The Noble Lord Complained of the furerthip of the Navy ? Lord Melville held various
deceitfulnefs of memory ; but ought not this totive places of emolument, and they are torn into frog-
induced him to cave the vouchers. They did not ' meets, and fcattered about among many, all of whonC
concern the Noble Lord and Trotter alone. The he mia fuppofe to be content. Then why was hie
public was a third party interelled in them, with- Lordfhip to hold the Treafurerfhip of the Navy'
out 'whore knowledge they ought not to have been merely for private emolument ? His Lordlhip had
dellroyed. There circurnaances were conlidetably' formerly, and now talked of retirement from the
aggravated by the evidence before the Committee, cares and hazards of (tate. Yet on the firft glimpfe
and by the unbluthing effrontery with which the of the Right Honourable Gentleman Near him return•
Noble Lord had this night declared, that certain ing to office. he hurries totown, from his beloved and
parts of the films with which he flood charged were praifed retirement, with forty or fifty proxies in his
expended in fervices which he would never explain. pocket, tornake his path more fecure and pleafant ;
The clanfe in the releafe too rendered every thing never once reconciling that he was old or infirm, or
dottbly fufpicious. It was confered by all to be un- tick of what he had been doing for fo many .ye,ao.
utoot—and the time at which it was executed being No: in this return will he let go the Treafiner.
welly at the time when the Commillioners of Naval (hip of the Navy ; but holds it fait, as the faleft
Inquiry were in the midi! of their refearches. The means of private e-nolument : and therefore he amid
bond indeed might not be a great fpecimen of caution, give no degree of credit to his Lordihip's protefta-
but it was a fortunate ever-anxiety which often at- Lions of preference to places on motives of public
traded-thole who wifhed to be fecure of concealing duty. Of the punilhment his Lordfbip had already
their fraud. The circumftance too of his having de- received, he would only now fay, he fhould have for.
eeived the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Pitt) likewife borne if no new matter had incidentally come out
went tlrnngly to confirm the guilt oldie Noble Lord, in the &lea Committee. But it was not for punifh-
who, it appeared, kept the holioefs a profound ferret ment or conviaion that he c lied on the Houk. He
from the Right Hon. Gentleman. It was not a fen.' required only that Lord Melville be put on his bid.
teoce of condemnation that he demanded againft His friends had formerly called for trial, and lo•d
the Noble Lord, it was merely the finding a Bill even rudely reproached the majority of the Hoiiie
agaitilt him for the purpofe of bringing him to trial.- with denying it He had therefore expeaed that
Had he ban free from participation, what would the firft notice of an impeachment would have been
have been his conduit towards Trotter who re- joined by his friends with acclamation. He now
Tufed to (peak before the Commiflioners ? Would called (In every friend of Lord Melville to put him
he not have infifted on his being explicit, and on on his trial. He had been acetifed of cruelty ; but
his not allowing his charailer to be traduced by be would fay, this was no cruelty. And lie hoped
Trotter's filence ? How was it poffible for the it would be found, he had not that day departed
Noble Lord to pretend that he did not know froth the fair and jug motives that induced him firft
that Trotter was the lender of the 00,0001. Übe bad to bring the fubjea before the Houk. It might be
not been In, mull he not have known it ? Mug he raid, that this was a time of too great difficulty fur
not have given fecurities and executed deeds in fa- impeochment ; that the enemy we had to contend
your of the lenders This was in itfelf an accommo- with was wife, and our own Minifters weak and in.
dation, though indeed not to the full extent. For capable ; and that every hand fhould be employed in
here there was the laving of (lamp •, Sec. If the No- turning afide the danger which threatens us. He
ble Lord felt his charaaer and conduct to be as clear deemed it unfortimate that the Houfe mull be fn oc.
and unfpotted as he would reprefent, and to defcend copied with fuch an enemy, and fo poorly provided
fair to pofterity, lie would court rather than avoid with wifdom at home. But there was no trial for
inveffigation. If his friends aid relatives had any great crimes but in the moment of deteaimt. If
regard for him, they would with to fee• him cleared they are ever Coffered to pals away without exami-
by his Peers. It was knisoffible the with he had ex- nation and punilhment, the public feeling refpcaing
p: cried, of (landing well in the eyes of pollerity, them calm* be revived. There is fomething in the
could ever be realifed without a trial. But what does human helot that revolts at that, and the fault of lots
the Noble Lord fay? 6, lam innocent,. but do not try of time is that of the party &mired. It is his con-
me." He rays pofterity will acquit him, and ;cet he dud that creates the neceflity, and the nation, fo cir
renders it impoffible by his own ad. even if he mould cumilanced, holes more by forbearing to profecute.
be innocent, that pollerity amulet have the- power of than by any length of trial. But the impeachment
doing him juftice. If he fucceeded in impre(ling on need not occupy fo much time as was apprehended.
the Houfe even to the extent of the tenth. part of The trial of Lord Macclesfield, the fentence being
what he felt on the Inkier), they mull agree in full- palled, occupied only sy days; and he would pledge
potting hi's motion for an impeachment againft the himfelf, that the trial of Lord Melville need not take
Noble Lord. up more. The grcatnefs of the expence might elm() be
He now came to the confideration of the third (Melted to. But fuch a trial would be real economy in
charge he urged againft the Noble Lnrd. He charg- a nation 'hooted as this is. The country, if not too
ed his Lordthip with having obtained 24,0001. from poor to be robbed, is not too poor to demand joftice.
the public, on falfe Ilatements, in the affair of Jelli- Nor can any expeoce be too great, to prove Lord
con's balances. That perfon had been in the habit Melville's itnecence, if that was to:be the refult.—
of leaving hit accounts deficient. Lord Melville at His Lordfhip had dwelt on his greatnefs; he had beefs
length fuipeeted the caufe ; and had he then attend- raifed to arioNer Houfe of higher dignity than this ;
ed to the Emotion and propofal of that unfortunate that he had not been railed to that dignity by a Mo-
man, he might have lived to an old age with honour narch whom he had deceived and betrayed, was an
to his family, and the enjoyment of race of mind. objea worthy of being afcertained. He was a new
Ile had been tempted by his fituation into conrfes Peer, railed to that dignity under a Minilter, now a
fatal to his honour and hrappinefs. Every thing that Member alto of the fame Houfe (Lord Stdmouth), of
came out relative to hio, (hewed that be had been whom he would fay, he never would have advifed his
tempted to ufe money I}ing, by negligence, too long Majvfty to raife Lord Melville to that dignity, had he
in Ins hand. What ought Lord Melville to have known of the tranfaaions now known to the Houle
done when he difcovered the real cafe ?He ought to of Commons. But if a Peer is difgraced by his prac-
, have fufpended Jellicoe, and to have taken recurities tices, it ought to be known to that Houk that he is
I offered him for the repayment of the deficiency. Belt a difgr aced man. Such a charaaer is not meant to
lie p• J.-flitted the abufe to go on, and the 'refult was tit there. He concluded by ohferving, that he would
moil unfortunate. He had too much reafon to fear not move the articles of impeachment now, but would
the Noble Lord hod not done this from p;iy for Jel- content liimfelf at prefent with moving, "That Henry
licoc. It was rather to be prefumed, he had dread- Lord Vireo= Melville be impeached of high crimes
ed that Jellicoe might hare laid to him, if too ri- and tnifdemeanors." I
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gidly punned. o that which thou judge% 'thou doll Mr. NATHANIEL BOND faid, he was anxious.'
commit thyfelt." A Right Honourable Gentleman to Rate his opinion in a few words to the Honk.'
opposite to him (Me. G. ilofe ) had given an evidence becoode he did not entirely approve the motion of the
lon this fubjea, of a finurifhing and 'dangerous de- Honourable Gentleman, although he viewed the con.
feription, very oppofite to the Wool character of that dna of the Noble Lord with no different feelings.—
Gentleman. No man, in general, could be more His intention was to move an amendment to the mo.
prudent or fagacious in his anfwors. Mcoofyllables tion of the Honourable Gentleman; and he ihould
were frequent with him in all difficult cafes. And if begin by reviewing the proceedings already powered
ihe were to be afked fur an antidote for-the fineft or adopted by the Houfe. He could not agree with
fpeech ever made in the Houfe of Commons, he the ref-au:ions firft propnfed by the Hon. Gentleman,
Should recommend an anfwer from that Right Ho- becaufe he thought they were premature. He does
noorable Gentleman. Yet, for once, he gives a No. not now think them too thong, but full inquiry
rid and reafoning anfwer. He lays, it was an ad of ought to have preceded them. If inqui, y had been
bate
_lattice to grant the warrant ; and be would then made, not only would the cenfures of that Ronk
have granted it even to an enemy—(4 ery If Agar!) been- without reproach, but the Houk would not now
Heoheard the Right Honourable Gentleman's offer- have to fit on the prefent queflion, for junice might'
[ tion ; but would he have done Co to a pelitical ear by this time have been attained. The refilutions of
I my ?The Right Honourable Gentleman *mild have! the Hon. Gentleman had thrown the Houfe into em-
hewn the reams for smiting the warm& klei barratiments, Which It would be dithcltilt to get ridof,

and which were at Bra wholly anneceffary. The mea.
Aire of infiituting a Committee to mcpi;re into the con •
•ud of Lard Melville, although late in being adopted
by the Honourable Gentleman, Ind his entire silo
orobation.; and that commuting of the Courfnittee,
reftriding its powers, lie could not condemn in
-,a) thong terms. That the Committee, however.
had produced infinite tasit was con ltituted, wa•
plain, and he raj • In the event. In the quellion
of a civil or a crialinal profircution tgainft Lord Mel.
rile he hid voted fur the former, bec rule he could not
',.:sieve the censure. of the Houle vas no calamity,
,r the other misfortunes which fell on the Nobt.
Lord, was no puniffiment The cpteffon now •
•to longer the fame. The new Nene- introduced
by the ingoiry of the Seidl Committee, •:as mate-
rially criminal, and more highly crimin tr than what
was before the Houfe anterior to the fittir.g of the
Committee. That evidence clearly, in his mind,
, proved the participation of Lord MelvOle. V, •
ous fumy of the public money were traced into r• s
hands. Could any one doubt of participation aft r
that ? He had raid that ten thoufand pounds, the
firil deficiency, was employed in Scotland, while he
WS his Majefiy's confidential advifer' for that coun-
try, in fervices, a declaration of which no power
on earth lhouli wring from him. He would afk, is
that an anfwer to fuch a charge ? (a e,7 of beai;4ear.)
What bounds, and what is the fort of ufe that may
not be made of public money, if fuch can be received?
Could it be a loan that employed this money ? But of
what nature that it cannot fince he declared ? He did
not know how much more of the money Lord M.
meant to account for in this fecret let-vice of Scotland.
What he accufes him of however is, tbac he connived
at the employment of the public money for Mr:Trot-
ter's private ufe, and that large rums came to his
hands for purpofes he ill not own. It is tin mattes
that Lord Melville did not (if it was fr) participa'e
in any particular profit of a job at the Stock Ex.
change, or elfewhere. His Lordfltip's explanation to
Mr. Pitt of the information given to his Right Hon.
Friend, by Mr. Raikes, is a high aggravation of his
fault. He explains the firms to be merely fuch as mutt
make certain (mall payments. He Pays the rumour
is falfe in its meaning. No blame is to be imputed
to his Right • Hon. Friend. lie was deceived ; and
he was in a fftuation in which he could do nothing, if
there were not fome in whom he mull place an implicit
confidence. Lard Melville, in the anfwer refpeding
'Raikes' intimation, knew he was praffiiing a fraud
upon his friend to abut out inquit y, which, however,
has now reached the fohjed of the releafe, and made
the participation Rill more clear. The dates of the
Precept, of the Return, and of the Releafe, mull (hew
its purpofes. The Releafe is executed ; and Trotter
burns their account books, their papers, all their do-
cuments, and vouchers. If Lord Melville is capable
olcsplaining all there tranfadions, he is the molt un-
fortunate and ill fated of men. Till explained, how-
'ever, they are only to be taken as ground of fufpicion,
to call on his Lordihip to explain. He would in
jultice, both to the Noble Lord and the Mule, con.
tribute by his vote to fend him to anfwer for his
conduit. He would recommend that this be done
by a criminal profecution before a jury. The fame
end would be attained more fpledily, and more
'finely ; and if it were argued that there is more dig-
nity in impeachment, he would fay the other is more
lenient, and equally jolt. Nathing is fo liok liable
to objection as our Criminal Courts. If a hittory
may be made of the occafional violence of impeach.
ments, it is not fo with our Criminal Courts. He
thought the ground of accufation againft Lord
Melville fufficient for either mode of proceeding; and
if his amendment was rejected, he mull vote for the
impeachment. But he would recommend to the
Gentlemen of the other fide to confiner the value of
having a large majority, or if they eves fail in a mea.
fore of accusation-, in having a large number with
them. He concluded by moving, as an amendment,
s, That the Attorney General be directed to profe.
cute Henry Lord Vifconnt Melville criminally, for
the offences Rated in the Reports of the Naval Com.
miffioners, and the Selec Committee ; and to fuf-
pend the civil adion already ordered by the Houfe,
till the other is determined."

Mr. WHITBREAD obfer•ed, in explanation,
that he meant to prt•pofe the fufpenfion of the civil
fuit, if the impeachment atonic, be carried. _ _ _

The Islfi#Eß of the ROLLS argued againft
the motion for a Criminal Proceeding. He Paid
Lord Melville had already been punifhed by the votes
of that Houfe : he had been deprived of the high
office which he held, and his name had been erafed
from the Privy Council ; yet he was now to be tried
over again, and pur.ilbed for the fame offence. No
propofitions were made for the purpofe of refcind-
ing the Refolutions that had been paffed againft
Lord Melville, nor tar petitioning the King to re-
' (lore him in cafe of acquittal. When an applica-
tion had been made by the. Houfe of Commons to
remove Lord Somers and two others from their time.
tions, the King did not conrly, becaufe a contrary
addrefs was prefented by the Lords. Betides, the
Commons had at the fame time been palling votes
of punifhment againtl him. This proceeding on
the part of the Lommons was highly cenfured by
Burnett the hitlorian. The only new point brought
before the public in this bufinefs was, the releafe
given by Lord Meiville to Mr. Trotter; and he
would himtelf have executed fuch a thing under
firniAr circuntilances. In the proceedings between
the Noble Lord and Mr. Trotter, the only thing that
could appear on evidence was, thatothe latter made
a certain ufe of the Public Money which Lord Mel-
ville was nut appliird of. This proceeding againft
1. Lord Melville could not be for the fake of example ;
becanfe he was convinced that no man placed. in th.t
lituation held by Lord Melville would ever again
brave the public yoke, and do any thing charged
again(' the prefent pat ties. So far as regarded ex.
ample and jnftice the Noble Lord was alteady fit&
ciently. punilhed. Before, therefore, he fent him to
trial, be mull fee a tircag cafe of necaty and expe-
diency made out.
Lot d TEMPI. E differed entirelyfrom the Leaned
Gentleman who ipoke La. He Paid the King could
not keep Lord Melville in his offices pending an im.
peachment. The Cale of Lord Somers was different :
for there the Houfe of ConWtions voted an Impeach
went before they prefented the addrefs to the King
' It was laid that.only one new thing came oat fence
the appointment of the late Commiffioners. Did not
fomething new come out that very day ? Did not
Lord Melville hintfelf avow that the public =my