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gr. FREEMANTLE seas Of Opinion, that every
eeesiefitielon w. dhe to the Princess for he ami-
able qii .lificatiens aed eterhplary conduct: He
entight.they ought to inquire into the appropeiation
tisk civil List—to inquire whether the burdens on
ibe pebple could not be lessened ; but the vote to
de princesses was 'quite a separate question, and one
to which he could not object. As to the anticipation
tithe grant, it was on the ground of the lamentable
situation of the Princesses, arising out of the peculiar
state 1 f the Royal Family. The grant, he ihoUght,
was called for in justice to the House, and as a just re-
{yard to the Princesses for their amiable conduct.
Mr. D. GIDDY, as Chairman of the Cointnittee
sispoeeed to inquire into the appropriation of the
Civil List, stated, that many circumstances, which
he should not now state, had hitherto very materially
interrupted the progress of the Conetnittee. Many
➢apers had been laid before them, The Committee
would endeavour to its utmost to be of service to the
public • but if he found that their endeavours were
not likely to be successful, he should apply to the
House for leave to examine persons vivo voce, or other.
{wise, as might be deemed advisable.
Mr. BENNETT would not consent to grant a
;billing et the public money in such grants as were
now applied foe, so long as sinecure offices remained
in existence. With respect to the Princess ()Males,
ihformation certainly was wanting, and he knew no
person so capable of giving the required information
es the Right Hon. Gentleman who had conducted
the " Delicate Investigation." The loss was certainly
very great to the country, there being no drawing-
rooms. He called on the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer to state why the Princess of Wales was thus de-
graded ? He had heard certain whispers of libe:s—of
books so ppressed—ot large sums given for odd volumes
that had escaped; but he could not think that the
Right Hon. Gentleman would desert her in silence
Whose cause he had once advocgted, without assign-
ing some reason foristich change.
TI e CHANCELLOR of die EXCHEQUER,
In reply to what lnid been said respecting the Prin-
cess of Wales, observed, that with regard to the un-
fortunate separation, he could say nothing. He
bight lament the circumstance, in common with
every other person is the kingdom ; but he certainly
did not see how they could call on him for informa•
titan, either as the servant of his Majesty, or as the
Minister of the Prince Regent. As to the Queen's
addition of 110,01:X) it was made in consequence of
the deprivations which she suffered by not having the
benefit of the King's Establishment ; nor was that
grant connected with any condition of the Princesses
being to live with her Majesty constantly.
Mr. WHITBREAD could not but think, that the
House had some right to know ev!,y the Princess of
Wales did not act as consort of the Prince Regent.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer might now think
that it would not be proper to give information on
such a subject ; but there was a time when, in his
opinion, every individual in the kingdom ought to
have information on these delicate cocumstences.--
Fie this purpose, he had written and printed a book,
which had been most unaccountably suppressed-.-R
bock that was to visit the remotest corner of the
Empire, and to give information to every quarter of
the world—a publication for which he was to receive
£lo,ooo.—(Hear, hear.)—lt might now possibly be
politic to remain mute, where he had formerly in-
tended to speak to the whole nation. It was known
that the Prince Regent's consort remained in retire-
bent, either at Blackheath, or in Kensington ; but
the world knew nothing of any separation. They
knew that she was not in the situation in which the
Right Hon. Gentlema re in his Book, intended to have
told the kingdom that she ought to be. Thus far
)cnew the country--but all the rest was veiled from
human observance: Before the present grant was
made, he thought they ought to learn the effect of
liquify into the Civil List.
Mr. WYNNE was of opinion, that the question
Night not to be made to turn on the virtues of the
Princesses; and also thought, that inquiry should
precede the grant.
Mr. PONSONBY made some observations in re-
ply. He repeated hii former'objection to the grant,
that sufficient reason had not been Adduced to ',tastily
the anticipation. The ground, therefore, on which
the present grants were moved, was an assurance
that the Princesses were not likely to remain long un-
der the parental roof, but have an establishment of
their own. On the whole, he could perceive no ar-
guments by which the motion could be fairly suppor-
ted, aid would, therefore, vole in hostility to it. .
Mr. HENRY THORNTON recommended the
Postponement of the Measure until the whole system
of the Civil Establishment was minutely examined.
Mr. WROTTESLEY expressed enrich concern
that the present motion had not been proposed, when
the recent increase of the Royal Civil Establishment
took place, so that the whole might have been exa-
mined under the deliberate eye of Parliament at one
extensive view; and had the Right Hon. Gentleman
at 'w
that period conceived that any such measure as the
.present would be necessary to adopt, he had certainly
carried hitnself in a high anner to the House is not
deigning to
mr. mention so important a motion.
BARHAM said, that he wished to put some
questions to the Rig ht Hon. Gentleman, not as the
aseontfihecle tnitlial adviser of the Prince or his consort, but
luster of this country. He wished to ask
him in that capacity, why he had recommended an
additional grant for the
Princesses, and had entirely
overlooked the person who was so much nearer to the
Throne than they were * He asked this question on
public grounds, and he
asked it of the Right Hon.
the Minister
not as the adviser of the Prince, but as
Right ster of the
_country. He called upon the
Gentleman to state why no additional
Hon.
splendourwthe a.s to be attached to the Princess of W ales,
(1 Wife t Prince Regent ?
CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
Was silent.)
Mr' TIERNEY said he rose to ask the Right Ho.
wnoausrlaibileelyGetopeman no question, for he saw that he
get no answer ; but he thought they
thvet_ebensi. tLedoto conclude, from the sullen silence of
vricthiliVat Honourable Gentleman, that he sanctioned
ete.e"_„'s_oPProbation what he refused to answer,—
. V °Pv,it n°, Iron the Chancellor of the Exchequer.)—
himeutive Honourable Gentleman cries No—then
his reasons. (Cries of No, and Hear.)
e Princessußsegent had not one farthing mbre assn-

red to Ater than 46000. he d'epencied on tile ixiunty
of the Prince for the other 17,000, which might be
withdrawn at his pleasure. If the Princef.ses trete to
be made independent, why was she not made inde-
pendent ? Sne (might, undoubtedly, to be indepen-
dent.. 4-( Crier of No, No, from the Minicterial Bench.)
He says No, No!—and I say, (said Mr. Tierney)
Yes, Yes I—l call Upon him for his reason why she
should not be independent ? Both he and the Lord
Chaficellor must have informed themselves fully with
respeCt to her conduct. If there was any thing in
that conduct known to them, and unknown to the
country, unworthy of her, the dignity of the country,
and the dignity of the Prince Regent required of the
Right Honourable Gentleman to bring forward an
accusation against hers (Hear, hear.) He wished
an answer. These were not impertinent questions.
As a Member of Parliament he was imperiously
bound to put these questions to him as the Minister
of the Crown. In the situation in which he had for.
merly stood with regard to the Princess Regent, he
would not exactly say that he fomented the differences
between her and the Prince, but if he was the author
of that publication alluded to, his conduct seemed
something extremely like it. Perhaps the Right Ho:
uourable Gentleman had changed his sentiments with
his situation. He had cast off, it would appear, one
client to take up the brief of another. (if laugh%)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
sa:cl, that as for what he was bound to do from regard
to the country and his own character, he should al-
ways judge for himself. He should, however, say
thus tar, that neither in his capacity of Counsellor to
her Royal Highness, nor in any other character what-
ever, had he any charge against her Royal-Highness,
or the means of bringing forward any charge, and that
he never meant to cast the slightest reflection upon
I her. As to the subject of this discussion, he had no
delegated authority ; no commands to propose an ad-
ditional grant for the Princess of Wales. Nevertheless,
it he could collect that it was the sense of Parliament
that such additional prevision should be m ide, he
made no thiubt but that he would shortly be fully
authorised to propose it.
Mr. TIERNEY said, that it was bow when grants
were making for all other brandies cf the Royal. Fa-
mily, that a proposal for an increased establishment
'of the Princess of Wales might be expected. But the
Right Honourable Gentleman now gives the House
to understand, that if they absolutely will have it so,
why then he will abate something of his dignity, and
comply with their desire so-far as to recommend it.
But did not he know pretty well, that it would have
been necessary for him to recommend it first, and
then that he might pretty well depend on the sense
of Parliament ? He now said, that he was not.au-
thorised—that he had no commands to brit% forward
such a measure. That was saying, in other words,
I that he had not advised such a measure. He was
glad, however, to have heard him state distinctly, that
he knew no charge against'her Royal Highness as
Princess of Wales.

Mr. COURTENAX thought it highly unusual to
call upon a Minister to bring down any particular
Message from the Throne.
Mr. C. ADAMS thought the introduction of this
topic irregular, as it was not the business before the
Committee.

Mr. WHITBREAD said, that it was no great I
concession to say, that if such was the general sense
of Parliantent, the Right Hon. Gentleman would ac-
quiesce. He thought, however, that the House had
gained a most important confession, when be who I
had been the Counsellor of her Royal Highness, and I
is now the Mil-sister of the Prince Regent, allows that
no imputation whatever rests on the Princess of
Wales. Certainly, there was a time when the Right
Hon. Gentleman thought that she had been unjustly
stigmatised, and was preparing a book, to be pub-
lished to all Europe, in vindication of the Princess.
' He was happy, however, now to find, that he thought
no vindication necessary. He was astonished, how-
ever, that when the Right Hon. Gentleman thought
proper to continue so many Lords of the Bedchamber,
and Grooms of the Bed-chamber, for his Majesty,
who have no other visible business but to inform his
subjects as to the state of the health, (which, by the
bye, is now only done once a month) he should not
have thought it as much for the dignity of the Throne,
that a person so near to it should be supported in
proper splendour. He was convinced, that if he
conid look narrowly at the expenditure of the Civil
List, abundant means would be found for this purpose.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
in explanation said, that from no information which
Ihe had received, either as Counsellor to her Royal
Highness or in any other capacity, could he collect
any thing which would make a proper charge against
her Royal Highness.
After a few words from Mr. LOCKHART and Mr.
&Lis, •
Sir JOHN NEWPORT again calied on the
Right Honourable Gentleman tor some reason why
her Royal Highness was passed by, when there was
no charge against her •
To this question there was no reply, and the reso-
lution was carried without a division. Report ordered
to be brought up to-morrow.

COLONEL M'M A MON.
14r. C. W. WYNNE gave notice, that he should
to-morrow move for a copy of the instrument appoin-
ting Colonel M.Mahon to the Office of Private Se-
cretary and Privy Purse to the Prince Regent.