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tlemen that they over-rated it; and if there was a tat

lacy, it Was one of their raising, and not of his. Ano-
ther point, to which the Honourable Gentleman had
alluded was, the permission to the rectifiers to use rum.l
fie had already given his reasons against that measure,
he feared throwing the whole system i;tto confusion. If
Gentlemen would suffer him to follow his plan steadily
and progressively, he was convinced he should be able
to give fifty times the relief to the West Indies which
he should be able to do if these speculative measures
were pressed upon him.
After a few words from slr. 11E:tliAL acid Mr. it. alas, the Pe-
tition was ordered to lie on the table.
SUPPLY.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
that the Report of the Committee of Supply be brought
. up.__ Mr. BROGDEN brought up the Report.
Mr. HUME objected to the vote to the Kildare-street
Society in Ireland, for the Education of the Poor of
that country. He said while the Scripture was made a
• school-book, the Catholic Clergy would never be ,atis-
. fled that proselytism was not intended. From his own
experience in the Lancasterian schools, he knew that a
great difference of opinion existed in this country on
the point of making the Scriptures a school-book. He
did not consider it necessary to decide whether opinion
either way was just, but wished the money to be applied
in the manner that would best promote the good edu-
cation of the people of Ireland.
Mr. BUTTERWORTH said, that the Hon. Member
for Aberdeen was certainly incorrect in his statement,
that any controversy had existed in England, whether
the Bible should be distributed with or IA ithout notes.
He applauded the exertions of Mr. Alien in favour of
the education or the poor, *and pariieularly praised his

Scriptural Lessons, introduced throughout Russia, under,
the sanction of the Emperor. He maintained, that
knowledge without morals was injurious to society, and
read a passage from a Roman Catholic Petition upon
the table, where it was said, that it was not wise nor safe
to put the Bible, without explanation, into the hands of
youth. He put it to the House whether the scripturally
educated poor of England, or the uneducated poor of
Ireland, were the best members of society. In his opi-
nion, the Petition to which he had referred, contained a
gross libel on the Word of GOD.
Mr. HUME said, he did not wish that the popula-
tion of Ireland should be brought up without religious
knowledge, nor did the Catholic Clergy desire it—they
only objected to have that religious knowledge com-
municated by persons who entertained religious opinions
different horn their own.

On the motion of the grant for a Picture Gallery,
Mr. HUNIE asked, was anything to be done to ena-
ble the public to visit the monuments in Westminster
Abbey without expense? Those monuments were the
-pirblic property, and it appeared that certain persons
had assumed a right of taxing the public for seeing
them, and even of selling that right to others. This was
a subject of general complaint in this country, and also
by foreigners who visited us, and ought to be remedied.
Mr. WYNN said, that formerly the admission was 6d.
—but now '2s. were exacted : he, however, knew of no re-
medy—he knew of nothing that the Executive could do.
Sir J. WROTTESLEY denounced the exaction of
fees from those who merely wished to pass through the
Abbey as paltry and scandalous.
Mr. G. RENNET said, the proceeding was disgrace-
ful to the Clergy of Westminster Abbey. lie wished
to know whether the monuments could not be re-
moved ?—(4 laugh.)—He would not care about any
expense that would put an end to the Selfish regula-
tions of the " money-changers." They were monstrous
impositions.—Vote agreed to.
Mr. HUME, on the vote respecting the Levant Com-
pany, complained of the Consular charges; they amount-
ed to as much as tile freightage of Amer ►c.u► vessels.
Mr. CANNING admitted that the subject had been
productive of inconveniences, and that lie would turn
his attention to the subject.
Remaining Resolutions agreed to.
NEW CHURCHES. .
The House having resolved itself into a Committee on the
Church Building Acts,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
he should not, upon this occasion, have troubled the
House with any remarks, but for the observations which
had been made at the time he first intimated the grant
for building Churches. He confessed that he was much
surprised at the opposition then offered to the grant. He
[certainly did not expect those who dissented from the
Chuich of England to be very anxious to promote such
a proposal, but neither did ha expect that Dissenters
from the Church of England, not any Christians, indeed,
would object to the principle of building Churches for
the frequenters of the Church of England. In stating
this, he assumed that he was able to shew that there was
a deficiency of these Churches. He certainly should have
expected from all who professed Christianity, that the
proposition was prima facie good in itself, and therefore
his surprise was the greater at the opposition. What,
however, was his astonishment, when he heard the propo-
sal to build Churches denounced as blasphemous !—(!fear.)
Ile knew it was difficult to assign the legal meaning to
that word, nor was he now going to make that attempt;
but this certainly was the first time that such a mean-
ing had been given to it. It might be contended that
with the sum proposed to be destined to this purpose, it
would be better to remit taxes, or that it was inconsis-
tent in him not to apply it in that way but how his
proposition to give a facility to people to go to church
could be condemned as bad in itself, it passed his humble
comprehension to conceive. Another objection was
made to the proposition, which appeared to him a
singular one. It was said that it was absurd to call
upon the People at large to contribute to the building
of these churches, because amongst them Dissenters
might be found, whom it would be unjust to tax for such
an object. if this principle were carried to its test,
t would result that they could have no established

Church at all. They voted every year a sum of money
for the education of the Catholics, which he considered
to be inconsistent with any principle of the kind con-
tended for. No one had denied that it was material
that a further sum should be advanced for this purpose.
From the papers before the House it would be seen that