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London, England, 1824-02-04 00:00:00

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e evil? complained Of in Nide, 'it wee *re difficult
,ay what remedy ought to. be applitat ; and it was to
la:lamented that thote evils were not of a tangible name,
tee of a description that could be rendered susceptible
of cure by the operation of time albne. One of the mea-
sures referred to by the Noble Lord (the Tithe Compo-
si:ion Bill) had been considered as calculated to pro-
duce an effectual cure for the diaOrders of that country,
had had in its venial operation met the aleprobation of
the Noble Lord. The other, respecting the Police, *as
qually iPpithed. of. To correct the evils of the tithe
system was. doubtless a work of importance; and in
considering that subject it was necessary to recollect
that the tithe system of Ireland differed materially
frchn that of this country. In correcting the evils of
that systjm it was necessary that the interests of all the
'parties concerned should be kept in view, and amongst
these the rights of the Church must net be overlooked,
feral' rights, of what nature soever, must be respected.
With these feelings he was fully impressed when he in-
eroduced to their Lordships the reason to
.which he had
;est referred ;* he had candidly admitted thit it might
rot rot be efficient at once, but that, like all b tier great
measures, it might require amendment. He could then
cay with pleasure, that the success of the measure, not-
withstanding all the difficulties that were opposed to it,
had very far exceeded'the most sanguine expectations
that had been formed of it. .It, would be found that,
out of 966 instances,, in which it had been attempted
td be carried into'effect, • the :measure was enrol ced in
216 instances—(Hear, hear). Many of these too in
districts which had been previously much disturbed, and
in which the disturbances had been ascribed to the
tithe system. What other measures ought to be adopted
ha the subject it was not for him to say, but, he would
old, that every measure adopted for Ireland, shetild be
is the genuine spirit of the Constitution, in order that it
should produce great and lasting benefits to the country:
Lord HOLLAND concurred in nearly all the topics
embraced in the Address; there were • none indeed to
Which he had an insuperable objection; but he yet con-
sidered that the tone and temper of it were not such as
their Lordships ought to adopt, considering the present
State of Europe. He fully agreed in the first part of it,
which related to the internal prosperity of the country,
Which he was happy to admit was most flourishing ; he
would go one step further, and add, that this prosperity
was meinl attributable to the wisdom and firmness of
Parliiment, especially in the resumption of cash pay-
mente-,htr measure, of the success of which he would be
candid enough to admit he had the most fearful doubts;
but he was not prepared tngive Ministers all the credit
they claimed for this prosperity, more particularly when
he recollected the language used by them during that
distress..—As when his Noble Friends attributed it to
the transition . from war to peace—" No," exclaimed
the Noble Lords opposite, ig it is owing to dry seasons,
or to a superabundant population ; they now turn
round and take credit for our recovery, though he did
not think that they had by their eloquence brought
down the rants front Heaven, or abated the passion of
lore. Another part of the Address that afforded him
mach .satisfaction was, the arrangement that had been
entered into with Austria for the repayment of the
money that she had borrowed fuona us, though he had
almost feared that the money that we should get would
hardiy pay the expenses of Loed Stewart's embassy.
S.erie merit was due to the Emperor of Austria for this
st.okc.ol honesty, as he believed hiseletermination was
taken contrary to the advice and opinions of his Minis-
ters; he also thought that the Noble Lords on his side
of the House were entitled to some -share of praise, as,
bad they adhered .to that prim propriety of speech so
strongly recommended by. the Noble President of the.
Council, he firmly believeci. that that resolution never
would have been taken. The situation of our West
India Colonies is.a queition of deep and vast importance,
but I doubt the prudence or policy of dwelling on it, or
of suffering it•to occupy so large a portion of his Ma-
jesty's Speech ; and I should fear that it is only a prea
lade to call for an augmentation of troops. If it is
meant as only calling on this House to adopt measures,
for their amelioration, I am ready to say that the force
of the country should be increased, especially 'in
Jamaica ; and that strict attention ought to be paidtes
the mot ality and discipline of the troops, and by a difa
ferent distribution of them, as great improvements may
be thereby effected ; and further, that the forts should.
be destroyed, and barracks and a naval arsenal substi;
tuted. I state this on the authority of an officer very
capable of judging—Major-General Cobbold. I now
come to that part of the Speech as to the state in which
this country stands with regard.to Europe. Our situa-
t,!on is new and awful, to a dreadful degree, since we
last met. It is a fact that nobody can deny, that France
is in military possession of Spain. This has been looked
upon .by the Noble Mover as a matter of joy and satis-
faction; but, in my judgment, the present situation of
Europe gives the most anxious apprehension, considered
only on the point of British interests, Within the last
eight years we have completely lost sight of the Old
policy of this country, which was always to prevent the
preponderance of that Power nearest our own coast:
This was the object of sing William's WltS, of that ofl
George I. of Sir R. Walpole's of Lord Chatham's—and
in some measure 'of Lord Chatham's son's • but now the
Hely Alliance has established one will, and that will is
universal empire. At the' conitnencement of the French
Revolution, 'the ground on which this country went to
war was the decree of the 19th. of November, which
held out promises of assistance to the` natives of every
country who wished to shake Off their allegiance, This
was considered' is' an interference in the internal ina-
hagement of other countries. 'lle Holy Alliance acted
ee this principle with regard to Spain, 'and it was
equally in hostility to the ancient policy of this emit-
try. In this situation it was necessary that the Govern-
ment should reflect on the crisis, and Adopt 'Om "nide-
sere, not hastily, but somewhat speedily, which would
tend to preserve the balineeof power in •EntoPe. If
was for her to consider 'whether Abe should not place
herself at the head of 16 Iparty '
. ppou ar Europe,
toe Protestant • party formerly is or whether she should
tint separate herself from the Old World and' look to
South America to
:form a bond of . uuian with, that
'could be so beneficial in a commercial point of view,
"Itlepenrient of
.every other conaideretion. lt was not
necessary eo..discuss these. points.
.He vies aware
J! the incopveoience attendiugilsemebeet. he would coo-
tend that a system must be adoptecheo enajile this Lomat
try to counteract the confederacy formed against. it,
!Itch was silently working its 'loin:
,The adoption
:4! a system was a raeasute, neceaiity ; ohe mug[
nerdy be chosen. Unless the Government did adopt
j. 'Nem, disgrace and degradation would follow; per-
i`PS I'6lll and extinction, and they would iieseihre if
•ehheir inaction.
file Earl of DARNLEY called their Lordships' at-
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hatein to the state of Ireland, and ohacrved that it was