Star.
London, England, 1805-04-04 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The kith Spirit Permit Bill was reported; the Refolutions were
re..d and speed to. The Bill was afterwards read a third time and
paired.
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Mr. Bactwat.i, brought in a Bill to amend the 35th of the King,
which relates to the Regulation of Elea:oils In Ireland. —Read a
brit time, and ordered to be printed, and to be read a (mond time
on the 7th of May.

The innkeeper:" Allowance Bill wag read a third time and pallid.
The Committces a Supply anti ways and Means, were put off
• till Friday.

Mr. rOSTEII pr, rented certain aeccunta relative to the Excite of
Ireland, purfuant to an order of the Houfe.—Ordered to be laid
OD the tabk.

l'he Bill for eroding a Chapel of Eafe in the Parini of Whit-
ten, in the County of Middtelex, au read a fecond time.
The CUANCELLOR of the EXCIIC(111 ER gave notice, that he
fhould on Friday move for leave to bring in a Bill for making fome
alterations in the Property
Mr. S rua °es Bot• It NE brought up the Report of the Irith Mill.
tia Reduction Bill.—Read, agreed t., and Bill, with Amendments,
ordered to be real a third time to-morrow, if then engroffed.
On the motion of Mr. MANNING, leave was given to bring in
a Bill to alter and amend the Weft India Dock Ad, of the 3d of
his Majcfty; and for extending the power of the Comm/Moneta
under that Act

Dr. Dino ItN A N obtained leave to bring in a Bill to ant end an
Ad of the 43d of hi 4 Majefty, entitled, an Adt for granting to his
Majelty swaool. for building Glebe Houk' in Ireland.

ADMIRAL RIBITH STEWART.

Mr. CREEVEY role, purfuant to notice, to bring
forward certain motions relative to the balances due
to the public from the late Admiral Keith Stewart.
Since he lately fubmitted Come motions to the Houfe
on thib fubjeil, he underflood that the Lords of the
Treafury had delegated to the Lord Chief Juttice
Clerk of Scotland (who was then Lord Advocate) a
power to recover thole balances. Now, the objeß of
Come of his motions was to afcertain the nature of
this power ; alfo what funs the Lord Advocate had
recovered from the reprefentatives of Admiral Keith
Stewart ; and if any, what Corns he had paid to the
Treafury; alfo, what time fuch turns remained in his
hands before the payments were made. Another
motion, the Honourable Member Rated, would refer
to an application made to the Lords of the Treafury
from the Corporation of Edinburgh for the ufe of
2 hoool. the remaining balance, to be applied w cer-
tain purpofes of fuppofed public utility in that city ;
together with a copy of the petition from the Corpo
ration of Edinburgh ; and of the order from the
Treafury for referring the Paid petition to the con-
fideration of the Court of Exchequer in Scotland.
The feveral motions correfponding with the fate-
ment of the Honourable Member were put and agreed
to after a converfation between Mr. Creevey, Mr.
R. Dundas, and Mr. Sturges Bourne, who, in the
courfe of his remarks, begged it to be underfood,
that it was not the intention of the Lords of the Trea-
fury to comply with the requell contained in the Pe-
tition from the City of Edinburgh.
Ordered, on the motion of Mr. S. Boom, that
an account lhould be laid before the Houfe of fuch
further proceedings as the Lords of the Treafury may
have taken for recovering the (urns due to the public ,
from the Reprefeiitatives of Admiral Keith Stewart.

IRISH UNION COMMISSIONERS.

Sir JOHN NEWPORT role to mare his promifed
motion for the produaion of a copy of tile cafe laid
before the Attorney and Solicitor General of England
on the 16th of May, 11301, by direction of the Corn
miffioners for awarding compenfation in Ireland in
oonfequence of the Union, relative to the claim for
conspenfation from the Attorney and Solicitor Gene-
ral of Ireland ; together with a copy of the opinion of
the Attorney and Solicitor General of England upon
this cafe. The reafon which induced him to bring for-
ward this motion, the Hon. Baronet dated to be this,
that the Houfe fhould be put in polrcinon of the na-
tive and conduit of this fingular Commiffion.—lt ap
peered, that not withflanding their appeal to the judg-
ment of the Attorney and Solicitor General of Eng-
land, they acted in dime contradiCtion to the opinion
delivered by thofe Learned Gentlemen. But Rill
more, and it was particularly neceffary to call the at-
tention of Parliament to the &Net% this Commiffion
bad now been eliding for feveral years, without
really having any thing to do, and teemed Rill de.
termined to go on. The Commiffion confided of four
perfons, each of whom received a falary of 12°01. a
year, and it was now above three years fince the
Commillieners wrote a letter to the Lord Lieutenant,
Rating, that their bufinefs was fo much diminifhed
that they had no occafion .0 meet every day, as they
had previnufly done, and rcqueQing that they might
he called on to nwet only every Monday. In order
to contrive Come appearance of employment, lie un-
derttond that thnfe Commiffioners prolonged an en-
quiry upon a particular claim for Cenral months, di-
viding the enquiry between them two and two alter-
aately, Monday af•er ianday. It really druck 11;m
as matter of furprize and fhame that fuch a Commit:
fion fhould have been fo long tolerated—and there
appeared no difpt f ir% whatever to put an end to it.
Indeed, according a. it went on it was likely to con-
tinue for ever, unlefs fornething was done to termi-
nate its exidence. Feeling that any expenditure of
the public money that could be avoided under the pre-
fent circumftances of the country ought to he pre-
vented, and that this Commiffion was now become
tinneceffary, he fhoulo take occafion very foon to call
the attention of the !inure to the fubjea.
Dr. DUIGENAN laid, that he was a Member of
the Commiffion alluded to at the time Rated in the
motion, and that he did not recoiled any fuch cafe
ac the Honourable Baronet alluded to. As three of

the Commiffinnert were lawyers, he did not think
they required any advice fri.m the Law Officers
mentioned in the motion,•or from any other perfons
as to the mode of performing th's, duty. The learn-
ed Doetor added, that he had long fir.ce refigned his
place in the Commiffion.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT 1'441, that it had been al-
ready (hied by the Commiflioners themfelves, that
fuch cafe had been laid before the Attorney and So-
licitor General of England, .and all he wi(hcd was,
to fee the opinion which had been given upon the cafe
fo hated.

Mr. SPURGES BOURNE was ready to pay at-
tention to the opinions of eminent gentlemen at the
bar, on cafes fairly ftated to them, and efpecially
thole who were fu eminent in their pi ofellion as the
iientlemen alluded to ; but as this was a quellion con-
cerning the affairs of Ireland, he thought the opinion
of the Attorney and Solicitor General of that part
of the United I•:ing3r.in ought to be t tken alto.
Mr. KINN:AIRY) thought the Honourable Gen•
tlemsn who fprke lag had made an extraordinary pro-
polition by detiriaf* to hare the opinion of the only
two Gentlemen ii; toe kingdom, who, by the rules of
law and common fenle, were necellarily excluded
from giving it, becaufe it was a cafe upon their own

After a few wards from Sir JOHN NEWPORT,
the motion was put and carried.

LOUit mFLvitLi.

Mr. Wittiams, from the Board of Naval Inquiry,
appeared at the Bar with certain Papers, which con-
fitted of a Letter from Lord Vircount Melville to
the Commiffioners of Naval Intioiry, appointed under
the AEI of the 43d of Geo. 111. dated aBth March,
1803 ; together with the Anfw•er of the Commillioners
thereto.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved, That thefe Papers do lie upon the table to be
pernfed by the Members of the Houfe ; and he Paid
he timid immediately afterwards move that they be
printed.

Mr. FRANCIS withed to know whether a Motion
could not be made to print them immediately, Co
that there fl►ould be no delay in making them known
to Members.

The SPEAKER obferved that the Motion, that
thefe papers do lie upon the Table to be perufed by
the Members of the Houfe, mull be difpofed of betore
any thing cite could regularly be done.
The CFIANCELLO It of the EXCHEQUER Paid
they could be printed without difficulty by to-morrow.
Mr. Alderman COMBE, by way of giving to the
Houfe the contents immediately, moved an Amend-
ment —lnfiead of laying them upon the Table, that
thefe Papers be now read—

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had
no objeßion, and therefore confented to withdraw his
Motion for the prefent to make way for that of the
worthy Alderman.
The Clerk at the Table then read as f0110w5....
COPY OF A LITTER FROM LORD IRELTILLE TO TMS
COMMISSIONERS OF RAVEL IKOJIRY, DATED TME
28TH OF MARC H,
GINTLEARN—Having read your Tenth Report,
and obferving particularly the following paragraph
in the t4ift page However the apprehenfion of
difclofing delicate and confidential tranfaßions of
Government might operate with Lord Melville in
withholding information refpeßing advances to other
departments, we do not perceive how that apprehen-
lion can at all account for his refuting to (late, whe.
ther he derived any profit or advantage from the ufe
or employment of money iffued for the fervices oil
the navy. If his Lordlhip had received into his
hands fuch monies as were advanced by him to other
Departments, and had replaced them as they were
repaid, he could not have derived any profit or ad•
vantage from filch tranfaßions, however repugnant
they might be to the provifions of the Legifiatore for
the fife cuftody of public money.'
" I think it neceffary to Rate the following obfer.
vations, in order to place in their jolt view the
grounds on which I declined anfwering your onef-
lion, and which you appear not to have accurately
underflood:

" When you &ft called upon me for information,
I Rated to you that I had not materials on which I
could frame fuch an account as you required me at
that time to prepare ; and, in a communication with
Mr. Trotter, before my examination on the Sth of
November lad, I learnt, for the firs time, that in the
accounts he had kept refpelting my private concerns
he had fo blended his own private monies with what
he had in his hands of public money, that it was urn
poffible for him to afcertain with precifion whether
the advances he had occa firm to make to me in the
courfe of his running private account with me, were
made from the one or from the other aggregate films
which conftituted his balance with MetTrs. Coutts.—
This circumftance, which I undertiood Mr. Trotter
had diftinaly communicated to you, made it impofli-
ble for me to return any other anfwer than I did to the
general queftion which you put to me—, Whether
Mr. Trotter had applied any of the money iffued for
carrying on the current Service of the Navy for my
benefit or advantage ?' and to 'this circumfiance I
uniformly referred in my anfwer to other queftions
refpaling the manner in which Mr. Trotter applied
the money in his hands.
When you put the queftion to me, ' Whether I
did ditett or authorize Mr. Trotter to lay out or ap-
ply, or caufe to be laid out or applied, any of the
money ilfued for carrying on the current Service of
the Navy to my benefit or advantage ?' My anfwer
was, I To the heft of my recollation I never did.'—
This ar,fwer I now repeat. Had you proceeded to
inquire whether I had everany underftanding expreff-
ed or implied with Mr. Trotter refpetting any parti•
cipation of advantages derived from the cultody of
the public money, or whether I at any time know.
ingly derived any advantages to myfelf from any ad-
vances of the public money, I Should have no hefita
tion in declaring, as I now declare, that there never
was any Such undernanding nor any thing like it,
between Mr. Trotter and myfelf; that I never know-
ingly derived any Such advantages; and that what-
ever emolument accrued to Mr. Trotter in the con-
duCt of the pecuniary concerns of the office was, Cu
far as I am informed, exclufively his own.
44 With refpeB to any advances which Mr. Trotter
might make on my private account, I confidered
mytelf as debtor to him alone, and as (landing with
regard to him in no other predicament than I fhould
have done with any other man of kulfinefs who might ,
be in occafional advance to me in the general Mk

nagement of my concerns entrufted to him. It is
impoffible fur me to afcer lain, front any documents'
or vouchers in my hands or now esifling, what the
extent of thole advances might have hcen at any
particular period. The accounts wl ich you have
inferted in your Report I never law till I law
in the Report Will. They are no :iccnonts cf mine,
nor am I a party to them. They contain a variety
of turns iffired nominally to me, which never came
into my hands, and they give no credit for various
fums received by Mr. Trotter on my private account
from my Mary as Treafurer of the Navy, a;ld ot!ler
fources of income, of which lie was in the receipt,
nor do they take any notice of the km ity of ‘vhich
he was in poll'eflion, for the repayment of any ba•
lance, at any time, due to him from pi ivaie funds.
al With ref Fen to the fums of naval money ad-
vanced to me, and applied to other fet vices, I do not
feel it neceflary to make any additional obfervaiions,
except to declare that all thole firms were returned
to the funds from which they were taken, having in
no in:lance been withdrawn from it for any pupof
of private emolument or advantage. Before I con-
clude, I with to corral an inaccuracy which I ob•
knit in one part of the evidence in appendix No. 7,
page 192. The queQion is put to me, Did you de-
rive any profit or advantage from the ufe or employ-
ment of money iffued for carrying on the current
fervice of the Navy, between the isith Auguft ISox,
and 3oth April t8o3; or between the trt February
1784, and 31ft December 1785, during which peri-
ods you held the office of Treafurer of the Navy r
Which queftion I there anfwer by a reference to the
anfwer given to a fimilar queftion put to me before.
This anfwer is inaccurate fo far as it contains a re
ference to Mr. T.'s mode of blending his funds in
his private account with Mars. Coutts. Mr. Trotter
was not Paymaller till the year 1786. The circum-
(lances, therefore, relative to Mr. Trotter's account,
which precluded my returning an anfwer to your
former queftions, do not apply to the periods fpeci-
fied in that mentioned, and I cin therefore have no
difficulty in declaring that during thole periods I did
nut derive any advantage fri,m the ufe or employ-
ment of public money itfued for carrying on the fer-
vice of the Navy. Having Rated thefe facts, it is al-
molt unneceffary to add, that I am at any time
ready to verify them upon my oath.
a I have the honour to be, Gentlemen,

4, mu.vtics."