Star.
London, England, 1825-03-26 00:00:00

ZQUITABLZ LOAM BILL&

The Earl of LAUDERDALE presented a Peddon front the
Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Common Council, el the City Of
London, praying to be beard by Counsel at the Bar of the Home,
against the prindple of the Equitable Lean H4-Read, and laid
on the table.
The Noble Earl then presented *Mar Pendent from the Auc-
tioneers of London and Westmlater, from the Wareham, Hankers,
sad Tradesmen of the same Odes, and elf the Bernagh loath!
work, and from the Polishes of St. Mareb.boses, et. Georges's,
IlsawresHoare, St. Wary's, Putney, Haustiserimaida, St. Mgr..
tin-ha.the-, at. Cdppispee and St. Mary Abbot's,
Kensington. These Petitions Lying hoes timed andlaid attic table,
The Earl of LAUDERDALE aids that on the se.
&id tending of the Bill, he sheuid move that the Peti-
**era be beard by Counsel at their Lordships' Bar.
He would take an opportunity of stating his own
sentiments on the subject when the Bill came before
their Lordships at its second reading. He would hot
now enter into any obiervations as to the absolute fury
with which Joint Stock Companies bad taken hold of
the public mind ; but be would imply express a hope
that their Lordships would take effectual means to stem
a torrent which appeared likely to be so injurious to
the country at large, which in a time of peace seemed
to threaten greater evils than any other of which he had
ever heard. On a future day, be would endeavour to prove the
imiorimes.
tendency of those innemersble speculations—speculations
-must In a great degree drain the resources of the State, and
=of its principal mesas of protection in sane of war. The
of those Companies had at their coornand SOO millions,
one fourth of width was greater than any saw which Ministers
were able torahs at one thee, dining the late contest.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL felt himself called upon
to say a few words on the topic now before the House,
but be was desirous to be understood as not giving any
opinion whatsoever on the subject of the Petitions pre-
sented by the Noble Earl (Lauderdale), or indeed on
Joint Stock Companies altogether; that opinion he
should reserve for another occasion, when perhaps the
matter might give rise to a discussion in which be should
feel himself bound to take a part. In a country, a
commercial country, like this, he was aware that a
Cdegree of speculation must always exist, and that
r :speculations many advantages might arise; that
more especially at a moment like the present, a mo-
ment of profound peace, when a large surplus capital
was in the market, and the market rate of interest as
low as it could well be, a speculation in money to a
only unusual extent might be naturally expected to/be
carried on. But the Public should be set right as to
the course they were pursuing, and as to the effects
which those speculations might ultimately produce.
Although he was ready to declare that be had never
known a period when there was a better foundation for
the hope of a permanent peace, he would not say that
that tranquillity might not be interrupted, and he only
wished the country to reflect on the consequences of
those speculations, if any sudden turn of events, even
short of an absolute war, should arise, which might
lead to results of an important nature, as they might
affect the interests and welfare of the State. It was to
this point that he wished to direct the serious attention
of the Public. Their Lordships would bear in mind
that on a former occasion similar causes were produe-
, tive of great public misery ; that the bankers throughout
the country were forced to come forward and apply to
Government for aid, and that aid was often granted to
them through the medium of Exchequer Bills. He now
wished it to be distinctly understood, that all who en-
gaged in speculations of the nature to which he alluded.
must engage in them at their own peril, and on their
ownindividual risk. It was the determination of the
Government, and he hoped it would be the determina-
tion of Parliament, not to 'listen for a moment to any
clamours for relief that might arise out of any change,
if any change should hereafter take place. This deter-
mination could not be too publicly, too universally
known. He was induced more particularly to call the
attention of the House to the subject, beta** endea-
vours had been made—endeavours that perblips were
not material—not only to engage persons in town, bit
persons in the country, to embark their money ia the-
speculations, and that through the medium of the
try binkers, while those who resided io the

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tending those speculations, as the per
inettopnlis must naturally be. Hi
down as a principle, and constants,
he did not wish private speculation
legislative measures, because he die
any persons from doing what they
money ; but as the consequences ar
l Anna ttetaht be of a very serious
have done his duty it he had net gig _
kat that it was the determination of theGoiernment, he
hoped in common with their Lordships,•not to give any
aid, it aid should ever be applied for, because of
any' evils that might arise out of any such speculations.
Ile had taken this opportunity of making these few
observations, not la-reference to any pat ticular measure,
I.lot to the general spirit of speculations of the nature of
those to which be alluded—specutations which, if they be kept
within proper bounds, might be of advantage to the country, but
which, if they be not so kept, must be productive of the most mis-
chievous consequenees.
The LORD CHANCELLOR hot to apologise, if he
might so express himself, for nit bringing in his Bill re-
'afire to Joint Stock Co ttpanies; but be did not throe it
right, it bile sitting judicially upon such questions in
another place, to be deliveting the law on the same sub-
jecrin their Lordships' House. He had been engaged
prekty generally in disputes on this subject since Sep-
teiriber jaw and from w hat had Taken ?lace in, the
Couit'of Chancery,he was justified in saving that no one
could engage in speculations of, the nature alluded to, nithout
having reason for considerable alarm. lt windd be difficult, in
case of the failure of suck speculation, to ail what the country
could do. for the sufferers, even if those ',Mations were decided
t.o be, legal. It was, however, imposalfii that shy One person en-
gagliiiiti those speCulations to the Octet* they did, could be Well
advised in so doing.
On the motion of Lord Surma" the Equitable Loan Bill
was then read a first time: •
The Marquis of DOWN:WIRE presented a Petition from
WOrkingbant,praying for an atietattin 111 the Law for the Recovery
of Sntall Debts.—Lifd on the table.
The Garden Property Privation BM was read a third time
and passed.
The Scotch Juries Bill went through a Contstittee.—Report on
Monday. . .
torffiTOitil Ott THE CLltitot..
The Bishop of BATH and WELI4 presented a Pe-
. tition from the Archdeacon and Clergy or the Arch-
deaconry of Tautstnn,in the Diocese of B nth and Wells,
numerously signed, and praying that their Lordships
would not grant what was commonly called Catholic
Emancipation. He fru'sted.tat the Petition was tem-
perately worded. It had heen his wish and his recom-
mendation that it thatidle to, convinced as was that
i?t tihipe!l66#ill‘ire any cause.' He 'could not help
tiling; this Oppoititritty'Of saying} few words on the
Itaffititko .ponerat cinseisince.by a:NOble .Lord, whether
there was arvarCtitiathin thar:ty in' the Clergy coming
forward with such. Ptitions ?.. kle edmiped that charity
the principle of the Itelleost d traassyl it!it site Pitti-
sipners ifigight that they acted sp,tet ibe icon and 'picket Chris.
elsatlty whei they came forward andendealostred to Maintain
.itrAk.u.o4 Aphis roPeCn Clvil 14beFti. iitanst
Reisgioea
Tyranny, and the pure Church of' tngland against the Intolerant
Church of Raise. ife.trfattsul Op* the sharp of ttratit of charity
wilool.of pot again be brought aping the Protestant Clergy, as it was
Pciettbitals and groincOew
The. hien toes thou read and laid on the table.
Rid • 41.1.41LEY wished it to be alistinctly under-
*odd. that he had no personal towards the
light •Ree. 'Lord Of the Protestant 'Ogre. if they
thought' that bye* ysterit df exclutims *bids they re-
cronints tbey'sh'entid strphojd the Chinch to which
viey belonged; they not only had a right, but it was
their ditty to PetitiOn. lie thetettire disclaimed any
desir to preclitle dweni or itribody cif thiChirrellfrom
prtiEroiiing firliaenitianweveet efinneonstl,eirPetitions
mighthe accorthok to his view bfthe subject. But he
held one 'big:up:o froth the 'Archtleitoury of Ely
Which hadibeihr. • need lasi We3hesclay,but not read
ktleuth; to` MO euuld Oa help callirig their Usk.
ships' tit:Within; liethe smile ti sing` the R.. lbier.
Inelates'oripiaiiteto admonish ihe Clergy' not to talk
theirtaitionsiin •Igitiage-titcalitted to tteitein .91
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sha..l repretented such: prostratina as a fit. sate for a
Christian. The,,Citos:ctt was, therefore, iogoosistent
mitts itself.. for, saint tote. pair of its.body 'reprobated,
eeeceaniesmied. The PetitiuDees she seciee4AbeCasbaiiee
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they with to,exciusie the•reur,
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and he thanked them in the name o!' the eters* for
their condescension ; but there were other ~wait's_. d
excluding Petitions besides that of .direet reitctiOnera.,
There was such a thing as taking 0011 'iv one byentr,
and expression by expreision, with a degrFe jO
Ofeti
Ernknown in former times ; wad was poi such a
actlee calculated to discourage the Clergy, or any
'her body of men from petitioning ? The Noble
!Lord who supported -the Roman Catholic Claim*
had probably been in the habit of looking at
hh the que.tion simply in a political point of view.—
' The Ctergy, on the contrary, saw it in a religious one,
andif they entertained apprehensions that the emanci-
patory plan endantered that Establichment of sthich
they were Ministers, ought they to be treated harshly, if
Lthey.spbke their feelings and fears is stronger language
,than they themselves might think it desirable in cooler
sr-laments to do? When the occasion should require it, he
and his Right Rev. Brethren should be prepared to thew,
rn the authority of printed documents,that a spirit of in-
tolerance still existed intheChurch of Rome.A Noble L-rd
had accused the Petitioners of having taken an expression
of i heir's from the charge of the Lord Bishop of London,
and argued from it that the opinions of the Clergy on
the same point were inconsistent. But the argument
of the Noble Lord fell to the ground, for the Right Rey.
Pielate had recommended a prostration of mind and
null in humble submission to the principles of the Gos-
pel and not to the uncertain provisions of men, whilst
on the contrary the Catholic Clergy required a prostra-
tion of mind and will in temporal affairs. The Clergy
should have the right of presenting Petitions, without
being met with sarcasm, and the Reverend Lord called
on the Parliament, to throw their protecting shield
over the Clergy, and defend them from insult. He took
the liberty of saying, that the Spiritual Lords in that
House held their seats by a tenure as strong as that of
any Temporal Lord; They were a body whom they
Lordships would Ind It their interest to support. They had stolid
forward when the CoostitutiOn was le danger, and might be - • '
on again to prated the rights of the Chiral Establishment.
Lards Qtyntooms and Dossier captained. •
Lord KING said, that the Petitions from the Clergy of the
March Of Enghinclhad been marked by atAirsity animostnbektee.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE asked if them inaawripestiefi
before the House? . --.... _ . . _ -•..
The Earl of LIVERPOOLNW DO Cilliii was more meet
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able than the 'Chita or England, both from ifie-ohara- cter of the
individuals and the way in *MO they discharged their duties.
The Bishop of CHES-TER mpleined. 4
' Lord HOLLAI4DCOncurred
_in thinking, as therawas davits-
tion as to the Church of zNldirefore the House, it warn& ne-
cessary to enter It die iontpdatim merits of tie Church of Ens-
land with earl that _ debt 'Chu
The Earl of .I.Prinitrool. slid, that the debate had arisen
from the obleedoneblo modest dboolisiot,not the merits of the
Petition, but the teresainthitkitlras esoneirred.:
The LORD CRANC.M4 LOR must protest, in the
strongest manner, against the way of treating the Peti-
tions of the people which had been practised on the pre- I
set*, sad other occasions in that House. in tire len thig
these Petitions, the Clergy had'only done their duty.—
It had been *draw hp •p 4 clasorp4.lll4niens.,__oa the 'wiliest ;
hut Milse opitikkilte had forMeeketp , be Still adhered, as a
friend to the Coestitutkerin`Cbdtch ant e. .
The Equitable Lean Bill4stai read A dretrime; and the Scotch
Mier BM ;asps reported With Ammdotents.
Adjounterlota Quarter to Seven.o'Cktekt to Monday.
..HOUSE OF COMMO4iS. .
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~ DlNMANAsyeMtelbeilliatiglo=4;l:e Commissioners
s aid dairivierik. Msty ..1,,, tall South
1.4W-7Doch comae,' . _
""fitr M. Rif:l4W Otesentod a Peddon•fromfligeiniers of Col-
litbrin the leverifyoe# against the-Wear &Swat. . .
Mr. LYTTLETON presented a Petition from the Thanes and'
&Tea eau* Clainnanbakegelnet thrievern Railway.
' • Mr.• raserramm,Tnovereort presented a -Petition friers
Paids et liogilnst Stjohn,Wapplis theisle irf DogiCollierDen
'Mr. €.:CALORAFTSittitatewthi 06 be pOrirotici 44401
sulked whet% this Derek ' . eitidilialaittilla•thereas *Aid '
be . the same as 'ar the tendon Dicke, wit," were
dexi iti 41..:-Ilse 'Fetish* wet teed, had Sui - lame
alb' tab.: " • ' ' ..; -. i7..11
Wend 1140Wip4eparlsterkaisetidoeilrom Chiblibilk**
Ma Petition
ri plitk
geltitTON isreeentill from this,llool4 tibep.
Ord Chesmr,•sestesetha ambasiCatiollittbbnak•• ' • , - •
Mr. , Riaireeemd a *Khios front oWill11011.114: et
illibebthd •. • -:-.1:•:. •, • •••ii " 1 .;.. L. . T i.. • .
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gists gt parte the erldt7 et liekeetersll4 'its
Italica a in
'rho Hon. Member preesede4 tis.tw' '. sk if'
halsa, pray that the oath renseeductribokbealignitina
not be repealed. The Petitioners west .4ni. Isiliti Ha::
Seated) at ocenageradibb
which Mr . g, 4.3
le!Pairtmerial4lkridanY Was
not aware that be • 1 i • stall a sinVe from any
Hon. Gentleman. • Allishintryfetin ;the Petitioners addressed
the Homo anciusewhielcoollact broaching. Matiniltiff-910 ant
thing but thliairi&Trkeitkiell teMOMP•dit111011111srloile llllrservo
from alteration the espoitsisipsaMssrs oesitsfroolon. , ..
Mr. A REECE° MAW.. dimisiosed Mir intlethie IgaileZehT
sneer on the P‘tisirm ciabrion‘se..forr AI ha A5e.14.4•1411 z
tke ,
Petition, as stated by ,klso,:ithOu -14innisvAPA,M1.1111111h. was
strongly in footorrodtho 0000101141MONtiVidlillbtAa4.11111WITIIP1011111*
After a few wqss bower T. LartMalMPlstilkenEelidlellt was'
read, and laid on *sable. .• • . ..ittsgsl, Ile s._: _
Lord A. HA hillaatiltlarrg.tairtilitgaii=l,iiiieg &fret
Committee on the Shoats', cipsiOlasslsita iskwessodered
to be recomminealttp.g4Wlldlidif4rattillidsAlatek_
Mr. ABEltCß)Malifingsegfekemliallithterford,
in favour**, the AbolititP althe EiVidthiposoitU4e4adtagahtst
the Duty onirus. akollseistasorstlistdini, t: ,;
Sir A, C TAR, premarld . a aging Awn :Belfast,
against the Catholic Clime.:' ... e • .. .• ,i, •
Oa illitseetbie ou ilm• *team I biPilteiiitiltshottissAlosse,
on its rising, should'Odjourn, Wltoilliebek ' 4_,..___. . '
Mr. F. WIWI& pooseotedufitioLitetlinizouteis SitllOit the

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cemsts.ortsoirsobvtitfrift *CT.
Upon the motiol'Of 74ostpl,itself
into a Committee to•phi tie Apt!
Mr. HUSKIUON theaLaid, be.,,nitee tsr esquest the
attenifott,iit the'`CAkilit4ttee. to 'the 'roimijAllif certain
duties now paid aeon. the anapottatisikund inetton-arti-
des, or rather to artitott*.#onot-004tlekpiitl..upon
the impuruttion of,ftoreigiii iriislaioased In thecnianu-
fneteres.of this eatintsyi andlitisato ithe,gate of -tiro-

tecting duties untiote,l with a view to etwourirge those
manufactures, agaimt the manufactures, of 'foreign
countriA: ;Na„periesice had now convisicerktbe Horse
and the country of the i mouse advant.ages to be derived
from removing sestsictiosai.aoclluding *side all med.
dijn4 iirtahrelice with Alik. Couise cif. Opel .014erce.
It, however,bee.a.rne,,**. „01‘.lair csiiikioos,,‘ApilLio act
with circumlpstotionOnWithoy callresi upon the public
Lto supp-rt !hem in the career which they meditated

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condemn's* of .that wipport, in following up the
lame ceche, which would still farther contribute
the public interest. The' House. would recollect
hat last Session, when the alterations took place in
the duties on was suggested by some, that an
bid tightens duty of SO per cent. would be too high, and
in that number perhaps he might include himself, but
It was in. this point of !ripe that it would still leave too
much encouragement to smuggling ; that was his fears,
and as to the fears of the manufacturers, he believed
their fears had now entirely subsided. If any alarm
!vise existed, it was transferred from this country to
France, where he knew there did exist a considerable
degree of uneasiness at the progress of that trade with
us, and the great improvements which were now in
course. If it was thought that thirty per cent. was
the highest rate of duty which ought to exist on the
only manufacture in which we were considerably behind
other countries ; if that were sufficient, in that case it
became the House to consider whether in other manu-
factures which we had long possessed and long pros-
pered in, that we should continue duties which were so
high, that they led to nothing but the profit of the smug-
gler,and not to the legitimate advantage of the fa ir trader?
With this view he should first call the attention of the
Committee to that branch which was the greatest and
most extended of all the manufactures of this country—
the manufacture of cotton. We excelled all rivals in
!the manufacture of this article, and we had the pre-
ference in every market of the world, both in respect to
price and quality. There was no quarter of the world
in which our cotton goods had not a decided advantage
over those manufactured in any other country. If
it
were necessary to bring forward proof of this, he would
refer the Committee to the returns upon the table, byl
which it appeared that the value of the exports of cot-,
ton goods, in the last year, exceeded the enormous sea
of 30,000,0001. Yet, what would the Committee con-
ceive was' the amount of protecting duty upon the imp.'
,pertation of the foreign reanufacture? No less the
'75 per cent. ad waitron upon one description of' goods.l
Upon another, it reas67l. 10s. and he certainly envied
the sagacity of the man who could thus calculate to a'
friction the precise amount of duty which would keep
a foreign article out of the market. „Upon the lowest
description of goods, the duty was 50 per cent. Before
be proceeded further, let hint ask the Committee whe-
ther no ill eff,cts were produced upon foreign States
by the imposition of inch duties ? but they not only ap-,
plied to foreign countries—we had at this moment un-
der our protection a (pantry the most productive in the
article of cotton of any country in the world, and where
the manufacture of cotton was the olden manufacture I
existence, and against that country, to which we
sx-
ported annually many millions of our own manufac-
tured articles, this duty of 75 per cent. was enforced,
against our own subjects, who were compelled to re-
ceive oar manufactures without the payment of any
duty whatsoever. There was a small ad valorem duty
Upon the importation of the raw material into this coun-
try, which he proposed to reduce; apd in order to sa-
tisfysthe fears of some parties, and to keep up (unneces-
satify as he thought) some idea of prohibition, he meant
to reduce all the doties on cotton, whencesoever
im-
-ported, to ten per cent. thus to allow India and all
other parts of the world to import their goods upon the
payment of tea per cent. On importation. He should
now proceed to one of die next great staples of this
Country—Woollen. This was a manufacture which
more than auy other bad been mated, tind fostered;
NO &Wiled .11 PIP AtegislailFeet aad?*d,
Peered ta /Were *Oil the fatr,oecite gliitd of . inclcollit!ock
Ile would not trouble the Committee with going. into
all the lava phigh bad helot .pAseAd for cowries back
xplatit9 Ake Pan,iglciPte of fc'Pollen, 4Prae lAhtsg
Arri for Of made in trhih ,dse sheep sbould
OPP4449lll444lCrilsed hag the wool should be packed,,
end.ethers pointed out the time and manner in which it
dteuld be traitspotted from one place to another. All
they* were Ottetitled With Penalties which tended only to
'e yeettlop efAuitihjet .100 in the article' to the in-
*/ PfsdiiitePgrA ft ifost tram: The duty
psi emollient imported from foreign countries was 50
per veal. epon the -*aloe. The Committee would be
itWitiUthat we were ourselves groat opeotera of woollen
f,, that articles frouptl their wa*listos foreigp.'
MOM to a large gannet. Under there circumstance,
he weisAot afraid to redooethe duty from 50 to 15. Ho
weeld-heeeherthe attention of the Consnaktee while he,
statedrkostreffichst MUM, what was the condition. of the
ceattut and ,*Olen causiefacturers in the year 1764,
add What it is at the present time ; shewing the corn-
Ifikadwe progress which the two had made. First;
,ti the imports of the taw material.—
1114:265, ,AvAntity 44. cotton wool iniported was
3,359,000:b5. weight. In the year ending the sth of Ja-
nuary, J 825, theivantity was 150,060,000 lbs. In 1765.
the value of 41 the cotton goods 'exported from this
ernigclifet ,P19,00Q1., in 18p5,.it WAS .30,900,7951. In
1:05, ;be quaotity of sbeeps' wool imported was
Ifleln,ooo lbs. weight, in 1825, it was 23,858,0001 w.
TAuircitte of the export, itn.woollen goods in 1765, was
saspoot. in 18A5, 6,926,0001. It he went on to
Article of silk, be found also a large increase. In 1765,
the number of pounds weight of silk imported was
1141,4110 Ct, in 1825 it had increased to 8,050,000. The
ltie of our (population and the increased means
it possessed, together with the improvesneuts
iia,sgrieulture, must have influenced the aggregate
tewth of wool in this country. Yet, notwithstandi
ttF., great additional consumption of the manufacture
ortjacsat hOme, its exports instead of keepug pace
,with the immense increase in those of cotton good
had only advanced, in the course of sixty years, from
5,19,0001. to 6.926.0001. being a difference of no more
than 1,767,0001. It was impossible also not to notice
the greet increase in the consumption cf cotton goods
in this country, an increase which he would venture to
say the pre ent moment surpassed the whole con-
sumption of woollen griods throughout the country.
This chewed how much the facilitating trade, and
relieriog it from the fetters cf legisloion,. in-
creased the means of home consumption, and ex-
tended the commerce of the nation—Ulcer, Asap j,
111! should next peoceed to another great branch of our
iiisinufa'clu;es7:that of lAisen. The unties payable upon
foreign articles ininufaituredatinen;wl.ichernbra ed

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vested interests in the works of any author. Indeed, by
the law of copyright, these interests ibuld.nat, be offeeted?,
It was his intentioneto propose, that on foreign orthouns*
books, in which there was no vested interest, the ducl•
should be reduced to 6d. per lb. and• on foreign. paper t?
3d. The next article Was that of glass bottles,. Hc.holievar
that since the reduction oar wine madaby his Itigbei
Hon. Friend, the empty bottle paid half as much-doef.
as the precious liquor which it had contained. Ilts I.:.
tention was to fix the duty simnewheTe about. the price
of bottles in this country, so as to prevent injury to the
bottle manufacturer. lie should propose that. impend
lof eighteen shillings per dozen, it should be, t educed ter
three shillings. Upon plate glass and other articles of
glass which came into domestic:use, he should ale
propose a reduction, so as to bring the duty t 0.24) per
cent. over and above the excise duty paid here. To
earthenware the same principles applied, and he shout*
.deal with it in the same manner ; reducing the present
sduty a 75 to somewhere about 12-or 15. Upon the
higher classes of this manufacture, such as poreelain„•
the foreign manufacturer possessed cc tain advantages,
and the duty upon these would requite to be higher ;.-
but at present they could only be brought into this
country by the smuggler, and he should propose such
a moderate duty as would bring the trade into its pro-
per channel, and make it beneficial to the Exche-
quer. There were various other articles, such ae
turnery and fancy work, upon which he thought a
general duty of thirty per cent. should be paid.—
Having now gone through the prohibitions relating to
the great branches of our staple manufactures, he should
proceed to the consideration of another scarcely leas
important class—namely, throe upon metallic sub-
stances. In his Right Hon. Friend's Financial State-
ment for the year, the announcement of an intention to
reduce the duties on iron was received with great satis-
faction by the House. The intended reduction of that
duty was from 61. 10s. to SI. 10s. and it was one which
he thought would be highly beneficial to the country.
He recollected that when his Right Hon. Friend made
his statement, an Hon. Member, very largely connected
with that trade, very disinterestedly declared h s opiaion
that the reduction would be highly advantageous to
the manufacturer, and to the consumer, n hilst the
injury done to the iron-masters would not be so great
as to prevent the House from adopting the measure.
But since the Hon. Alderman (Mr. Ald. Tiompson)
made that declaration so greatly to his credit, he (hi r.H.a
must in candour state to the Committee, that he had
seen many other iron-masters who professed to have
very different opinions. These Gentlemen were like all
the others whom he was constantly in the habit of ,meet-
ing upon these subjects. They were most anxious to
have a free trade in every other descripti.nt of article.
but that which they produced—(A hiugh), and upon
*that a strict prohibition was indispensable. He could
scarcely hope to satisfy these iron-masters; but as he
knew he should be giving additional facilities to the
manufacturer, and increase the comfort, of a whole
people, he should feel it his duty to persevete. To
his personal knowledge the manufacturers of Birming-
ham were in possession of orders from the United
Sates and from South America, which, owing to the
exorbitant price of British iron, they were unable
to execute. In consequence of this. they now
had workmen employed in making models to be
sent to Germany, where the orders were transferred
because they could not obtain them in this country.
The next of the metallic substances was that of nipper.
The duty upon the 'importation of foreign copper.
was net len then 544 per ton ; a rate far beyond what
was necessary to mot et the interests of those whose •
property was e4arked in producing the article is this
coootry. Upon the hest. information which bq cow
°Lenin, be was led to believe that be should do a unto-
nisi service to copper- manufacturers by a reductiotiV
'the duty from 541. to 271. per ton ; nor should he hesi-
tate hereafter to propose a further redUCtion in the duty.
Another article called .spotter, which entered largely
into metallic manufactures, particularly brass, the duty
on which was now 281. per ton. It etas, however,
selling in Hambursh at present at 201. per ton, sa t-bait
with the duty, it cost on 141)00: cation into gogiao4
upwards of 50i. pee ton. Upon this article he intended.
to reduce the duty one half. The duty on tin hems--
posed to reduce from S. to 21. per huodred weight. plat
on welter -.being brought down from about w. to 141,,,,
ad "dorms. He had Row stated the coarse which Its
designed to pursue with respect to the principal duties
which were considered a protection to our manufactures.
He had now /Astrid what woe the principal
sof these
prohibiting duties, which wets supposed to .be protec-
tive of our manufactures. The book of rates wasssound
up, by directing that all manufactured.goods not Asit.
meraiede should pay 50 per cent. and rawsniatetutla g 0
per cent. Everything which could .be an otrject of
jealousy to the manufaCturer, had been named, and drat
non-enumerated articles we- e only a bonze of vetiitmn.
When Articles of science were imported, such * rep-
scopes, 50 per cent. must he paid on them kle'could
give the Committee an instance of the re:allows flatus*
of these rates. A friend of his lately imported a mummy
into this country. Upon. examining the ankle, ktur
Custom-house Officers were extremely ninlatunwed.tre
determine which class of non-enumet aced' goods its
longed to. A mass of muscle, sinew, &c. Whlchli •
fit
<been preserved for 3,0',10 years, could,flili shilihi
..
Acutely-be called a raw anaterial-4A*O6)-LArad keye
therefore, after much deliberation and douse, decided it.
to be a manufacture( Laughter, and cries of hears ki..
His friend was then askea•
respecting its Oigoi. ',MillsMi
he estimated at £lOO, and accordingly be Was ichafgeat
•50 • 'cent. on this singular ns.snso---

I:200, or per k
He stated the circumstance as one of many vexations•
which occurred under the existing system. He"nove
proposed to seduce the duty on these articles when
ttra-
nufarctured, from .501. to 901. per cent. and when raw,.
from 201. to 101. per cent. The result of these reduc-
tions would, he trusted, be to prevent, rata.
,g to a
considerable esteut ;.. for he found, that if the duty im-
posed amountaituthirty per cent..thenstiele woultistio
be smuggled, and whetever was remitted, be so mac I
given up to the smuggler. To eradicate that apAlin:
evil, smuggling, was eqe object of his present peeped-
tions. Nor did he think that our principal Millillllll4lllo

*lnds feolng 4Clitsug *MO .pkridvdt!od :14
nr;n: to that the geutioiO4:slc A*. •
testaardZilsonit assodsed uselasaisable ,and
atieilvek ,tone tlytardsi 1 ether ;artist., isibich 'shill
011411d*Sp?,,inftkOqi tin 04 I urcti brftotille. 'HOW.
fkr_fAnfirl4 . ithi!! Oicßi!**, .)to'
M*. ie;O9VIA 10111 ,thsc4g4 OP!' cN.iio '9 -4
TnDAT 414.thePiqgl• '44Aci,t44*4lM- " W4)04
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OitiOnl! 44Y0!IFfoitrOlOn 0'
414 and wilt to the;slictates.? ani and tor•
1?!Ilf "ii.hl93;, PP Aea4 the Tact 90'144.!
!o(Ae.prliple ,andAlici;ol.lolsn4,... It was a snipt
Youtpdeil,. rfn- .ThP.etbkal_ seteclutied by reettenneinil
tit; oat Geneve 'aild 'Wpm- Uleavreedsittla be adnptiett ea meet
II he illisetheiliich :thread:nett itietehjouoilrelite:rotatieielly
in Ireland.
:What' went not demi fanitis nats !with rwitbboldins
frfiltitri tbfY w4etilC4o/40c404m4Letobt be
tte,itla their thing, with grig4 asorztiti:trieisil frSr&t,
Of_ theßetabliawaret; • Ad` he irontilee ,:to• thane illembirs
Ihr it NOM Ateutliewk-Petitihni, • to' 'take Wit 'MAW 4tat 'et ' their
111141epp; bet*, *grub:diet*, tit/uses. out si their britheeespe.
. r.ThenD sh. Ili of •.tad 16.444eal tbol4
!be-Charge ftt) trio tint-Outtihy, awe 00 4e, Ovrgr W
IFfrPOnli V.que34 ICir .0014 gum wat? lesqebdent is
.IzzLm, Fiiaq tin Iv the Churchot. Pond. tie had no
TiS bane btifiei nee be at the ell:sense of rennet'.
7-11;074 tehilwarte febm: 11.iardIDenter it'd VA an, • •
• vtia4. K•I6G. tiii sti that the Pihitiolltif had ots,:slen Abe
•eaptettioof pmesttttiegn poottratiow offinivildiond will
*lltnisive:Crarge of, tior-Lord 4.lishop of London, _who

1i•f•.44.1.* wit 4 factious .41civiortiFs• Nlio• wwt!rdiess;; dews.
'ties ? • Were they the -Members hf that Hia4 .who suppnetcd
Yfiar Cathie ? • tie.4l4lteil they had 14d who lbe4 viet'e. Aleut the
A the
fritifilnktbeettiiltt*illey)were t be; Alamo •IStitimiettif &el Learned
Map faint- esidoniAlhepproseedeil4 quid weal treated:by.the public
Aftd3S if /Pi* 1404ileir Ole' by tSWo44•Ps.ifFill• .. s.
A .. ' 450..4 pai 4'400)4 co tug ac 4, Om 411:491; ipt,Oie
.efitoin .soue• rosined; toF he wpitl:,*o7 of the
l• S.I . .
jotyfa!:4ll who mu:it Rispc.** tipi,:stiroisspett.9. ;OF Cow
• , :‘,. es fhpii.csi "4'0410, Pitlritl Pr 1049,6 IN* 14ffiegaRet
w4l,slv.itljiOr i***, 11.0.tiressul„;:xout4014ettu.. . ICONtst
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. . <la. :011t. gruirots.. laff.uier,*FigluFnqti...A.r.o rr.:49
I:irvelsc,c,,,
.Ory. cool .got,..toi a.:o9ltl**9"ffot 'hay.c
se4iffitecl the ..ionssoce.
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1 • ir! ~ iteeA chffgc4 r"tiriPg *;, r!;..W' V.IF ' er.,
. .1 g4llgefl. ~ it .. wits Irflowptis i . ‘4,1
f `-*i.lol4o:PatPteM.O.il.olf)l"l62ol,l*iitui 4.4u0g-sedri
ttIi"a•SPIAT 41rectlialc the 1904/1 '4l4i:OefileC° 4;
ffillefty,a.c4rOde!;:l4.4..pconiprtint 4iitti:mke9 plAce,
r -70 41)Ift . ter: ~i? . • 4013 RT i ft trilFlPTP4Bs*'l
1 *Ake waitiCtifTvhswg pt . owes; girl e was one. of 1
i,iiii) .1411' ':', S' 4 ..-oirtite CiliCkttiPe.id V
' A 116.4 thatii* *Vail ' liglIOIS" sistiftandllitrieh *Wind. ssti4
•• tuddilisheViehelityisionimiratelftelioggaiguatt fie sbeB4a-
.
• • .4-.44-,;akta inaliirttiairt, illteriipottlse- Antlfinns
t• , ."'•1 Ili i*.
iill• Is Lltfjpp ng was 'wpm.
••• • ' - 'i ua tbfrr for i Wettest/ell how
Merest it was where the public feeling was interested. He feared
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--------"------ tdVrteteittiregtbli °The P"116"/ Premata would lhcPw VI m i4U. 'eq. He now fel l • n• ' almost &very scale of the book of rates Th ! lowest
R. • ~ ... %
the circumstances at- 9 OW R. prawn from-
..._ • • e id:
~, • .cular instance ._ , 'le was 40 per cent. and the highest amounted to some.
persons residing in the AA -, . c a!w `evieplf., i kits and • Those • : where about 180 per cent. upon the value.
In order te
le had always laid it pro •it raf War '' •• dmitar
-yy kich they p . d thookjee 1 symplify these duties, be had come to the detetmination.
1
tly acted upon it, that I Flk*XP CHAli •
prose an Peti. Ate. Ifei -.:. Members of. t . whl had resionill after frequently consulting the parties intetested in the
pri to be the subject offlici Ola . ,
.er, r proved iox to to mailer, of proposing that a duty of twenty-five per cent.
id not :wish so prexrpt.Che4er, which was. so worded as tO'make4rt im.Cois7ibolef '''
47..4:: ~I.:*.ed,sl;uhtawvheolly Visionary. stud the expectations should be paid upon all articles of linen manuldctere
mi pleased %kith their' that it stioilld.frectgßa:7lli4W7. • . -I. , htsse_wbo bad supported drip- bat-ixen in rear imported from foreign-tomitrorva,....W.m*skticlaitue
attending uch svecu. making some observations on the, undaorpritafirtt rustidte *cite thail retthaed—(Clear, hear). Theae that of paper. Upon paper *Of, dlij POO+1140.„
and_
PettireaArOSlChtnet which- they stood he would charge the goble.Lonch, satisfactory results must be ngreeable to those who had portation was three or four dines 41 . lurk' aria_ Rear-
iwen this public wam- opposite with the groSyest issteleiunge. • TlierliTrifial. opposed him-.--whilst those who lia-cl supported the sarily acted as a Fahibilion Upefrille—leirrnOrtirat
a theGoSernment. he they did not wish go,exclosie thefftitOnsaf the Clergy, tures, would. be truiesl, feel nu;re . disposed to giVe foreign books--(ffear). He shoulit.procteci; howeveri
__.!_....--...2...f1art. in followine uo the without infrcting any injury on those persons- who had
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