Star.
London, England, 1805-05-15 00:00:00

PARLInMENT.IItr PRoLEEDINu.s.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, TUESDAY, MAY Eg.
Mr. SFP AKI R having taken the Chair at the ufual hour; alter
km, private ballot+, had been difportd of,
Mr. S,rjrant ttES I' renewed MI notice of a motion on the rub-
y& of the Elevemh Report of the Com:nil:Goners of Naval En.
for I hurray.
Mr W F 1.1.10 rr moved for a Return of the Amount of
►irefstmots made by Grand Juries in Irdand, from the Year 1775
to 14.-4. for each County, diftinguilling each Year, and ;maim.
taritiog the Su:ns afreff:tlfor Roads.—Ordered.

Mr. WESTERN ol•taiued leave to bring In a Bill for fecuring
Porifiles from Fraud, by the Failure or 13,:falcations of Land-Tax
Colleetors.

SIR HOME POPHAM.

Sir J. STEWART, Chairman of the Committee appointed to
enquire refpeeliog the Charges for Repair, of. the Romney and
Senfible, belonging to Sir Horne Popham', Squadron in the Red
Sea. reported to the Houk, that upon the production cf fume pa-
pers called for by the Commirrec. relative to the Paid charers, cer-
t ,in papers were returned eorit,ining other matters of importance.
not wholly conned...el with the bonnet, immediately referred to
the Committee, and rerpeeling which lie had been .kfirexl by the
Committee to take the opinion of the Houk, whether they were
to extend their confideration to thole extraneous matters now laid
before then. The more readily to learn the fenk of the lioufe
upon thi4 fubjed, he had been dire red to more, that the Lid
Committee lie empowered to enquire into all matter, contained in
the laid Pap, rs ; and he moved accordingly.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQ:Eft. NiJ, that with.
flu doubt the words and other aftairs." contained in thvinftrue-
tions to the Committee, kerne,: to reter to them the coidderation
of all matter. relating to tlitfulsjed before them. lint the Houk,
in thok inftrudions. had clearly &Eked the leading objects of
the erquir) it reerred to the Connuittae. as relating only to the
Paid ihip., and not to every new fubjed which might accidentally
arife from papers or doeunuents laid before them, and of which
the Houk h no coeM/Ance whatever. He therefore thought
the object for the ;MI. udroti, required by the Committee would
be better aufaered by omitting the words, " all matters con•
tabled in laid papers"—and in place thereof to Wert the wnrds,
" the expeediture and es:peaces of repairs and ftores refpeding
raid !hips."
Sir Jo'.-IN STEWART agreed to the Amendment, and it was
adopted accordingly.
C•THOLIC CUESTION.
The Order of the Day being read for returning
the adjourned debate from this morning on the Ca-
tholic Petition.
Mr. WILLIAM SMI role, and exnrefred his
extreme fati,!aaion that the Houle had not come to

a decifive vote urn the prayer of this Petition, be
fore it had heard the brilliant fpeech of an Honour-
able Member who had frill:en laft night towards the
dole of the debate (Mr. Grattan), a fpeech which he
had himfelf, and lie was confident every liberal man
in the Houle had heard with the greeted pleafure
and admiration, a fpeech fraught with the molt im
portant information and irrefiflible argument upon
this great quettion ; a fpeech which, if it was not for-
?unate enough to decide the fettle of the Houfe with
the opinions of tbm fpeaker, molt at leaft put it out
of the power of any man to dilpute that that Houfe,
in the acquifition of fuch a Member, had derived a
mod important advantage from the Union. The
more he revolved in his mind the importance of that
fpeech, the more he fhould regret that the Houk
Ikould be inclined to decide upon the arguments and
principles laid down, in the former part of the de-
bate, by thole who oppofe this meafure ; for what-
ever was to he the ultimate (lecithin, it was neceffary
that it be founded upon the moil full and mature de-
liberation, tree from that fpecies of heat and impe-
virility which appeared on the other fide of the
Houle, in the mode of laft night's dilculßon. He
was at the fame tittle ready to make great allowances
for the warmth of fcme Gentlemen coming from the
Sifter Country, who, refiding there, had been expofed
to the rifles and vicitiltudes ever infeparable from
civil war, and liable to have their tempers (bored,
and their minds prejudiced by the injuries they had
fudained. It was not wonderful if they were not pre-
pared to difculs the fubjeft with fo winch coolnels and
deliberation as the Members of this country, who had
not been esp-ifed to filch cattle of provocation. How-
er, er, in ma king allowances for fuch feelings, his with
was, that the Houle would not be led to form its
conclnfion under any impretfions made by the affer-
tions prompted by Inch warmth. All the arguments
on one fide of the Houfe, feemed fraught with this
warmth ; but if he andel-flood the arguments of
Gentlemen, and particularly of a Learned Gentle-
man oppolite to him (Dr. Duigenan), hi; objec-
tions, and all his arguments, went to the Catholics
merely as loch, and not upon any fair political
ground ; and, in fait, he feemed much lefs anxious
to anfwer the arguments of others, than to ufe his
own. Another Hon. and Learned Gentleman under
him (the Attorney-General), feemed to agree, that
let the Legiflature do what it might for the Catho-
lics of Ireland, it was impoffible to content them.—
In this affertimi, he could not agree ; neither could
he conceive that thofe things called fads, by the
other Hon. and Learned Member, were really
was willing, however, to give both Honourable
Members credit for Rating what they imagined to be
faits. But even fads, however truly tinted, might
be in many cafes bad foundations for argument ; tri-
fles light as air might fometimes amount to the
ftrongett proofs. The Honourable Member (DoCtor
D.) began by throwing difcredit on the Petition it-
felt, becaufe, as he alledged, there were many coun-
ties in Ireland, from which not a tingle fignature '
appealed amongit the Petitioners ; but whether this
oblervation was meant to infinuate that the Petition
was not fupported by the general with of the Catlin.
lies, or that any portion of them were unwilling to
take the Oaths of Allegiance prtferibed, teemed to
him unfounded either way. Gentlemen who oppofe
this =afore, avail themfelves of arguments on both
iidcs the quefiion. Oae argited,that if they had not
felon the oaths, it was a proof of their unwilling-
;refs ; and another that if they had taken them, they
were equally unworthy of credit; but the fcruples
entertained by Catholics againd taking that oath,
which was the only impediment to all they o ifhed to
enjoy, was in direct contradidion to all the affertions
and fophiliries ufed againd them on this ground.—
Ile taw this day a lilt of zoo° Catholics who refuted
to take an oath to George the Fitfh, which they
could not reconcile to their confcienees, but preferred
every fpecies of profcription and preclution to which
the refufal expofed them. The refufal of the emi-
,rant Clergy of France to take the oaths of fealty,
!o die ufurped powers of that country at the late
Revolution, and their preference to embrace banal'.
went and a mifcrable fubfiftence in this country, is
another proof that oaths are not regarded by them
as matter of indifference; and thole inaances were
proofs directly fubvcrfive of all the affertions made
nyou the authority of molly documents, or the filly
r4fidutions of eccleflaftical councils in the twelfth

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or fifteenth centuries. As to any partiality for the
Catholic Religion, he, as a Proteflent Diffenter, was
a perfon the farthett removed from all liability to fuch
an imputation, but he confidered them as men much
and unjuftly oppreffed, though with as good aright to
proteEtion as any other clafs of his hlajefly's fubjeets ;
for in matters of religious opinion, he held the right
of every man to form his own, as it WAS only to our
Great Mailer we were to be anfwerable. He could
not agree with the apprehentions expreffed by the
Learned Mcnibcr, that the admiffion of Irifh Ca-
tholic Mcmhet s into that Houfe, even to the utmotl
extent of fixty-four for all the counties, would have
the effca of embarrafling Milliners into any meafurc
they thought tit to demand. It was a libel on the
King's Government to alien that even if all the Irifh
Members were Catholics, and every one difpofed as
was alledged, they could, by hanging together, and
conspiring ever fo clofely, carry any object in that
Houfe inimical to his Majeay's Government, in
church and hate, and against the check of five hun-
dred and feventy Protestant Members of Great Bri-
tain. He equally ditbelieved the mischievous influ-
ence attributed to the Roman Catholic Clergy, and
the afferrion that Catholic opinions never change ;
and he intlanced the cafe of Canada, to prove that
the Britifh Legiflature had not always aEted upon
principles inimical to the Catholic religion, and
ought now to conciliate the Catholics of Ireland, by
fully adopting them into the bofom of the Conttitu-
tint).

Mr. LEE fupported the motion for going into a
Committee. In this he knew that he had the misfortune
to differ from in toy friends of his, but he aeled from
the Ilrongelt conviction. The fubjeft, he thought,
one of the molt important ever dilcuffed within thole
walls. He knew the Protellant religion was con-
neCled elofely with the foundations of Britifh liberty;
many of our belt anceltors had fhed their blood upon
the feaffold in its cattle, and he was not furprifed,
therefore. at the jealoufy with which the people of
England regarded every thing which threatened to
encroach upon its molt distant barriers ; but preju-
dices within the laft zo years had much fubfided.—
He remembered, the day and not far remote, when
the cry of Popery would Lave been regarded as no-
thing lets than the approach of deltruftion ; but even
in Ireland, where that cry was molt formidable, pre-
judice had given way to reafon and experience. He
confidered, however, that a pledge•was either pofi-
tively given, or strongly under flood at the Union,
that this meafure fhould pals ; and he fhould have
confidered it certain, from the fpeech of the Right
Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Pitt), which might have done
honour to Greece or Rome in their proudelt day,
that his own with was decidedly for the meafure,
but that he would not, at this time, prefs it againit
the inclination of his Sovereign, and that he would
refill it from any other quarter. He thought this
a fair Parliamentary ground. The principle of the
coellion was not a new one, it had been difettfred
over and over again. He rejoiced that the confe-
quent relaxation which bad been granted in the Irifh
Parliament, had been given gradually, as altogether
they might have caufed too great a revulfion.—
He was lure that not even the molt fanguine of the
Catholic Gentlemen who brought forward this Pe-
tition, had any expectation that it would pats in
the prefent Sell-lon. Their hope only was, that it
would work its way by degrees, through the me-
dium of better underlianding, reafon, and liberality.
When it was first brought forward in Ireland, only
thirteen Members of Parliament voted for it. In the
Adminittration of Lord Welfencreland. emilfaries
were font down to every Grand Jury in the country,
to procure refolutions and petitions againit it ; but
afterwards a recommendation came from his Mikity
in favour of the petition ; and the very fame Grand
Jurors who ref rived againit it voted for it, by which
the Grand Jurors and tile Parliament were both dif.
graced. Prejudices here would, he doubted not, in
time, give way in like manner. He was, however,
for going iron the Committee, and thought, that
though it might not be expedient to give all, tome-
thing ought to be given ; and hope held nut for the
future. He then entered into a comparative view of
the progrefs of the reformation in England and in
Ireland, under Henry VIII. In the former it was
promoted by reafon, by argument, and by intirtietion;
in the latter it was attempted only by flatutes, by
the (word, and the feverities of a penal code.—
Bifhops were fent over to initruet the natives, who
knew not a word of their language, nor took any
pains whatever for their initruetion ; and the Pro.
tellant religion was never offered to them in any
other (tape but that of an An of Parliament,followed
up by a perfecuting war upon all their cuftoms and
habits : thus it was, that the Reformation had made
fo little progres, that at this day above three
millions of Catholics remained without anylikdihood
of converfion. Penal leverities had been tried for near
Zoo years in vain. It was high time now effeetually to
change the fylltm ; and In far from being injurious
to the Protestant intereß, wculd be a fyltem of,
indulgence to the Catholics, that he was convinced
that interell could be rendered secure by no means
fo efFeelual as the perket reconciliation of three
millions of their fellow fubjeas to the Proteitants of
Ireland. If, however, he were afked his opinion upon
the terms of ceding the meafures claimed in this Pe-
tition, he fhould all:, what were the Catholics pre-
ored to cede ? Clear he was they ought to cede
fomething important in turn. A main point v.ould
be to allow his Majefly the privilege of appointing
their Bifhops from a number of Catholic Priests,
choler' by the Clogy of the dioccfe. This wnuid be
getting rid, by modification, of a great obf acle. He
had repeatedly put the queltion to men of that per-
filiation, and folemnly declared he never heard an
opinion againit it from an educated Catholic. But
were they, as a body, prepared to come forward ?
were their Bithops or Clergy prepared to propofe it ?
He law no reafon why the Pope of Rome fhould en-
joy a power in Ireland which he had not in any of
the Catholic countries upon the Continent; and it
was his own opinion that Inch an arrangement as this
would remove a grand obit-act: to the principal with
of the Catholics, without which he could never con-
fent to their having feats in that Houfe.
Sir WILLIAM scorr laid, the Hon. Mover of
this queftion had affeeted to dillinguilh between the
civil and religious inllitutions of the country, as if
they were capable of complete reparation ; the prac-
tice, however, of all civilized Rates, had fully de-
monfirated that they were fo intimately united, that
to attempt to fever them was in reality to &boy

them A luminous and eloquenepolitieal philoftipber
(Mr. Burke) entertained ideas directly oppofed to
fuel) a doEtrine. " The attachment (he lays) of the
religion of the State, with our civil eflahlifhment,
reigns throughout the whole of Englifh policy ; not
merely as conjunctive, but as infeparable ; not as
what may be laid gide, but as that, tLe union of
which is the foundation of the whole conflitution."—
They are In far joined, that the idea of the one al-
moß impreffes upon us the recolleBion of
the other ; and Church and State fo impercep-
tibly flow into each other, that the connexion, even
to the organ of fpeecls, is perfectly familiar. This
fraternal relation was not a novelty in our hillory, it
grew up in the moil early periods of it, and was firm-
ly combined in thefe times, when the liberties of this
nation were effectually fecured. After our (acted in-
Ritution had endured many defperate affaults, it role
with renewed flrength from the confliB, and we were
dellined to enjoy the bleffing not only of a free but of a
Pr °tenant Conftitntion. In the fame charter in which
the fovereign appointment was given, in which the
rights of the fubjea are declared, it was laid this king-
dom !hall be for ever Protellant."Eloperfretua" was the
earner prayer he fhould offer for the fafety and hap-
pinefs of his country. The principles now advanced
were calculated not to preferve' but to impair the
Conflitution we had received from our anceaors,
and to facrilice to experiment the invaluable privi-
leges by which we bad been hitherto dillinguifhed.—
By what provitions was this Conttitution to be fe-
cured ? By the fundamental laws of the country.—
What were thefe laws ? The King mull be a Protef-
tant. He can marry none but a Proteftant. Was this
to lull to repofe the cnnfcience of the Sovereign? Was
it for his pc• tonal comfort in this life, or his happinefs
hereafter, there reflriClions on his very thoughts were
ordained ? Certainly with no fuch delign : it was for
the protection of there realms from the dangerous
confequences of Catholic innovation. It was, in fuch
a country as this guarded by loch Legiflative pre-
cautions, with regard to the opinions of the Prince,
that if no diflinet provilions had been made, the ge•
Petal maxims refulting from eilablifhed law, would
be, that all the great Officers of State aflilling the
Monarch in the dricharge of his high functions fhould
be Protellants. It was required that the Supreme
Magiltrate fhould be of that perfuafion; and were not
the reprefentatives of his align fl power to entertain the
fame religioas fentiments ? In order to preferve the
fyilem inviolable, it was not only expedient, but one-
Lary; whatever might be the flotation or the policy of
other States in this particular. in England it was pru-
dent, from peculiar circumfkances, to preferve this
refiraint, hecaufe from the nature of our limited Mo-
narchy, the incumbent of the Throne may be in the
exercife of a very (mall portion of power ; almoß the
whole afloat authority, and the entire refponfibility
may be delegated to his Ministers, and what would
be the perils that might await us if they were the
Raves of Catholic fuperlkition ? It was on filch
grounds that he confidered it not a matter of doubt,
but of conviction and certainty, that to permit there
privileges to be extended to perfuns of the Remith
faith, was to infringe the fundamental maxims of our
glorious Conititution. A Proteltant King furrounded
by Catholic Miniffers, was a foleeilm in lira, as well
as in law, for there mutt be a perpetual contradiction
between the duties of the one and the other. It was
an important funetion of the great officers of Rate to
attend with zeal and vigilance to the proteCtion of our
church ellahlilhment ; but how could this obligation
be difcharged by thole' who deemed it abfurd, per-
nicious, profane, and fanatical ? It was true he was
not enabled, as many others were, from intimate
and local knowledge to fpeak to the prefent cprellion ;
hut if the prernifes he had affirmed were at all correct,
the oblation to the motion before the Houle was pa-
ramount to all the inferior circumfiances of accident
and locality. The Honourable Gentleman (Mr.
Fox). in his inttoduBory addrefs, told the Houle,
that from frolic unfavourable events, the grants al-
ready made had not produced the elf Et that might
have been naturally expeaed, and this difappoint•
ment he tiled as an argument for new concellions.
In his (Sir William Scott's) mind, it operated in a
way precifely the reverie ; if what had been already
given had not been beneficial to the perfoas to who:n
the donation was extended, there was little expel..
tion that by them any future advantage from the pie-
fent propofition would be derived. An Honourable
Member who was an eloquent advocate of the carafe
he afferted (Mr.(;rattan), had intimated there would
be danger of feparation between the biller Iflandc, if
this motion were related. In Inch a declaration he
might fay much for the courage, but he implied very
little in favour of the loyalty of the people of Ireland.
He (Sir W. Scott). had hoped he fhould rather
have feen thole proofs of their gratitude and attach-
ment for what was conceded, than any indic. !Loos
of difguft and alienation for what was withheld.
If he might make a comparative obfervation en
the feelings of the Catholics of the two Cann-
tries, he fliould diic,,ver the dWprifition manifelled by
the Englith Papitts was much ttre moil honourable,
although the liws now complained of were more
onerous to the Englifh than to :he Trial of that pro-
fallon. The proportion of Gentlemen of diftin-
gnithed families, who were Catholics, was inuch
greater among the former than among the latter ;
and hence the laws which relirifted them from the
executive and lcgiiiative fitoatiane, were to tlean pe-
culiarly fevere. It had been laid that the nil:leas
of that perftrafion were deprived of their civil riaht.
True it was, that one of the Princes of the Houle of
Stuart had been driven from the throne for rnifee,e_
due ; but upon what principle were his fucceirirs ex-
cluded ? It was becaufe they were attached to the
Popifh Religion ; the Protestant faith had become a
necefrary part of our Conflitution, and we could ilea
be governed by thole who were inimical to it. The
Houle had heard much of virtue arid reprefentatiao,
and it was pretended that the Catholics of Ireland
were not reprefented ; but nothing was more ma-
nifeft than that they were admitted to the com-
plete exercife of the elective franchile ; and in this
refpea, at leaft, they enjoyed every privilege poi
felled by Proteftants. He had underlined that the
Honourable Mover was preparing the history of a
very important and eventful period in the annals
of this country. The favourite chapter, to which
he fhould dire et his attention with peculiar plea-
fore, would be that in which this enlightened au-
thor would contemplate the benign effeas of the
Protellant Religion, as conducive to the peace, or-
der, and happinefs of the community, and to the

integrity and glory of the Britith Co- flitution. The j
true quellion now was, if the privilev, p.orted
Catholics were to be extended ?.The r,f
Ireland had ailed with great wifJom in :regard to
this enquiry, and had granted to them all that vas
either necefrary or difcreet. But the Hon:-.ura!):e
Gentleman, on the contrary. raid, becaure we had
given fo much, we ought liberally to make them
a prefent of the reit. The convcrre of this he throdj
rather maintain, becaufe he could not confider for-
mer generofity as a kilt motive for future prodiAa-
lity ; but, however, if more fliould be fit to be con-
ceded, a reafon Ids inconvenient might be eatily
difcovered for the donation. The dircretion of our
anceaors had crated a lirong barrier to protect thi
Conttitution ; we were now required to admit the
Catholics. and fot this purport to hurl down do-
ftupendous monument of their induliry and wild. m
Mr. GRATTAN explained that be had not int;-,
mated the probability of any reparation of the two
countries, if this motion were rejeCled.
Sir W. SCOTT raid, he certainly fu underftooj
the Honourable Member.

Mr. GRATTAN" I faid, if the Parliament at
Tented to the calumny propagated, that the Catho.
tics were traitors to their King and Country, it would
lay the foundation if filch a feparation. It was not
the rejeaion of the Petition, but the adoption of the
calumny to which I adverted."
Dr. LAURENCE fool:nted the motion; vindi-
cated the alfertion of his deceafed friend (Mr. Burkej
—took an hittorical view of the quellion ; pointed
out feveral errors in the citations of an Hon. and
Learned Member (Dr. Duigenan) ; and concluded
with attributing the dircovery of the Trial by Jury,
incidentally and collaterally, to theConncilor Lateran.
Mr. FOSTER-1, I Mould think I negleaul my
duty, if I did not fay a few words on the pretent
fubjea, confideting the part I have taken in it in an.
other place on a former occafion. From what has
been laid, it would be naturally concluded that there
were laws now in exiflence direfted againft the Ca-
Itholirs of Ireland. Where are thole laws ? This de-
fctiption of perfons polrefs the Caine civil liberty
which is enjoyed by the Proteltants. What do they
now slefire ? Nnt political liberty, but politicalpower.
This is all that remains to you to bettow, for every
thing elk is conceded ; of all the reit they arc in
complete pnlfcf on. (if cry of No ! fro ! from the Op-
pkiun Benches.) If I am thought to be in error, it
Is eafy for me to enter into the catalogue of civil
claim, and to thew the whole is granted. You are
now defired to judge of the future by pall experience
—they tell you, it you coincide with their propel-
tions, you will combine their colleitive ftrength with
your own; the population of your formidable ene-
my amounts to 36 millions, yours is only le millions.
and you deprive yourfelves of one fifth of the na-
tional vigour ; condefcend to thefe demands, and it
will he inttantly rellored.
" Is it not known that the Irifh competed a prin-
cipal and honourable part of the army under Lord
Hutchinson, by which Egypt was vanquithed ? Is it
not alto proclaimed to tee glory of that people, the
gallant Nelfon was greatly indebted to their valour
in the hour of danger, for the conquell he obtains
ed over the fleet of the enemy on the coati of that
country ? Is not the Britifh army supplied with Tome
of its motl courageous recruits from the fame fource ?
and are we now to be told that we are deprived, br
withholding fuel conce(lions, of the aflifiance of
the inhabitants of my native Me. to repel the dan-
gers to which the Empire is expofed ? Then it is
laid their loyalty is not to the throne unfettered and
unconditional ; it is a fpecies of loyalty fubjeift to
lii-
Isolations, given only on certain conditions they would
impose. Is this the fentiment of the great mats of the
people ? Do they know what Emancipation is, whick
is included in thefe flipulations? Enquire of them,
and tome will tell you it is freedom from tythcs
others, exemption from all taxes ; all will give ac-
counts of it palpably cow radiaory, and none of them
can correaly explain in what it centrals. They can-
not want what they do not comprehend. It is not.
therefore, the lower ranks who require this: let us
then attend for a moment to thole in a luperior
firna-
!inn. Are we to doubt Coe loyalty of the higher con-
dition of fociety among the Catholics ? It is not to be
fuppofed that there would pay In indifferent a com-
pliment to themlelves and to each ether, as to repro.
lent they felt any thing like this backlois renriaed
loyalty. I know peifonallv and intimately many of
thole gentlemen who have fgned this petition, and I
am confident they are as loyal charaaeis. as good
litjtas, as virtuous in private, and as independent
in public life, as any individuals in the kingdom.---
,',?cry cf hear. hear ! from the Upp fti^n fist of the !haft.)
Then the q tieaion reverts, will you, or will you not
grant to them political power ? Can you do fo ? You
mull fire look to the fituation of England, where I
eflort the Catholics do not enjoy the rights paid-eel
their idiot,: citizens in Ireland. Firtt put the Eng-
huh Crtholics upon the foisting of their Western bre-
t lir en—( cry 'pear, be tr !)—then give to the Catho •
lics of both iflands a feat in Par!iainent—(Hear, hear,
hear, bear!)—Sett reflea an inilant when you have
dont all this, where is the fecurity for the Prete:tart
Church ? Can trier, under the influence of loch pt;s-
ciples, frame thole iows for the proteaion of the Piii•
teltant faith which it is your bounden duty to pro-
vide ? Who enaas tilde lam:. on which the rights of
the whole nation are supported ? It is the Lords 6;•i•
ritual and Temporal, and the Commons of England.
The liierai city depends upon the Parliament, and
will yoii till your leOlarive affemblies with thole alio
are !made to it ? What infatuation ! to give this ats-
thority to men who acknowledge the fupremacy of a
fnreit-zn spiritual prince. Look to the pail. In I 7? s
fornething was given, in 17ha more was granted,
and in 1793 the Parliament conceded more than was
required. I confers I thought the donation was tot)
libt!xl, but beirg made, I did not think it necefrary
to internale. It Parliament Mould atrent to whet
is demanded, the Catholics will not even then be ta-
;i,fied ; and indeed how are we to expe& fentiments
of gratitude from thole who are confiantiv under
the influence of an attire and ditcontented.Clergy.
From the Print-Rant Minitlers they will receive no
admonition; they withdraw in difgntl from the pro-
fane indruaor. Give them the power, and rely upon
it they will come forward with new demands. They
will prefently cape& equality in the Eccicfiatticol el-
tabliihments, and from this they will proceed to
fit-
petiotity. Our numbers, they will argue, are in Ire-
land greater than yours ; the majority ought to de-
cide, and the Roman Catholic Church flail be parr

monnt in Ireland. such is the natttral ana neeet
fart' progrefs. Again : Reform and Emancipation
were the two watch words in that country ; a loud
clamour was mired, and one could not be endured
without the other. I am well aware I am now tread-
ing upon dangerous ground, and if I advance too
far I troll gentlemen will give me an opportunity of
explaining the motives if my propels. Let me fop.
pole the Catholics acquire a feat in Parliament by
the vote of this night, and that they poilefs the ab-
ilraft right contended for which can only be with-
held by the application of the maxim, " Sales ffropal,
faprema lex." Imagine the fifty or fixty are eleCted,
and feel themfelves uneafy on account of the (mall,
minority in which they are placed among the 658
,Members composing this Affembly—' The barrier is
•., .w thrown down ; our power,' fay the Catholics,
• rellored and augmented ; nothing remains to give
.1l et to this happy change, but to revive the Irifh
,l'o-liarrient. The three hundred members will then
yd.imc their funeions' and the Proteftant afcendancr.
is &Moved, with the boroughs attached to its inte-
:red.,' Whatever exultation may be felt under the
t'roployment of this language, the train of conic-'
quences is fearful and formidable. Under a Catholic
Parliament in Ireland, how long (ball we remain an
united people ? If this were the only objeCtion it
'would, in my mind, be fufEcient. I fhould tremble
at the feparation, becanfe I am perfuaded that, with-
out the conflation with England, Ireland could be
neither profpernus nor happy. While you are turn-
ing your attention to the claims of the Catholics, are
you to forget a million of Proteltants who are enti-
tled to your proteCtion ? Are you to deny to them the
hidings of the Revolution, of the Hanoverian lac-
cellion, of the illuarinus Honk of BrunlXvick, and
iif the Proteftart faith ? The elevation of the Catho-
lic is the depreffion of the Proteßant. What then
will become of the Proteltant afcendancy to which I
alluded ? I mean nothing extravagant by this Pro-
teltant afcendancy, which has been a favourite topic
of complaint; I will tell you what I mean by it : it
is nothing more than a Protellant King, Proteftant
Lords, and Protellant Commons. Be)..nd this I
never claimed any other afcendancy, and while I live
I will demand this for my country. But it is faid,
what is required is little for us to grant, and much
for them to receive; I contend it is exactly the con-
trary ; it is much for us to grant, and little for
them to receive. They arc to receive power, a
few of them are to be railed to feats in the two
Enures of Parliament. This very limited power is
what they are to derive. But we are to confer that
oa which the liberty of the cottntry depends ; that on
which the Itrength of our armies and the luperiority
of our Navies repofe ; the Bill of Rights, the blefl-
ings of the Conftitutioc, and all that has happily
and honourably diftingitithed this country from the
furrounding nations. Is this little ? What have you
snore to give, and what remains to you worth pre-
ferving ? (a cry of hear! hear !.f ors the filiaillerial
Ilench.) Then we are &fired to attend to France,
ender the adminiltration of the Duke of Sully, and
of M. Neckar. WAS the crown of France bound by
she fame oath ? or, was that kingdom not under cir-
cumftances extremely diffimil it ? Was the Honour.
ables Gentleman ferious when lie referred us to Ve.
-nice ? Venice, embarratred by contalting parties and
conflieing polemics. Where is now this proud Re-
public which once defied the collefrive itrength of
empires ? It has difappeared, and all its glory
vani(hed with it. (Some Members furling, Mr.
Foller continued) " Gentlemen may laugh, but if
they would only devote fix months nit a silk to Ire
land, and learn what the feelings of an henna Pro-
tellant is, they would be in lonic degree aware of
the peril of difctiffing filch a fubjeft as this at filch a
time. 1 will conclude with one remark, " Prinripiis
oya." Let the Houle, by its vote of this night,
Thew the fenfe of the conott y, let it rejce a prora-
tion huftile to the interests of Ireland, and of the
Icingehan at large ; and by the decided tone in which"
we now announce our opinions, let us difcourage all
futme attempts to ditto, b the public repole, and to
end:lnger the national fecurity."
?!r. LEE faid a few words in explanation.

Mr.GEORGE PONSONDY fpoke at fame length,
in reply to the arguments of Mr. Evan. Ile com
mereed by thanking the IA Speaker for having af-
forded him, in one half of his fpve.h, the means of
anfwerirg the other half. The Riot Honourable
Gentleman had applauded the loyalty and gallantry
of Ira Catholics in Egypt, and at the battle of the
Nile ; but he would reward them by refuting their
Petition. Ile had fpoken of the great dangers he
dreaded from feting his Majedy furrounded by Ro-
mlo Catholic Councillors; hut who was to fin round
faint with them ? Why tile King Itimfell. The King
hintklf was, of his own ft ee-u ilt, to choofe Coun-
cillors who were to introduce the par-mount autho-
rity of the Pope I There•would, he ta ttiled, always
be virtue enough in the Parliament to corral itch an
evil. The country won!d never fuller it. Did the
Right Honourable Gentleman judge of the future by
the pad ? They had, be allowed, fought our battles;
but if we gave them the reward of their loyalty, they
would fight them no lor:;•••r. H► had laid, that what
we gave them was mitch, hat little for them to re-
deive. If fo. that liaf€ was to overturn the Church
ar!ti State. He hail laid, that we humid have from
tl•irty tip to eighty Catholic Ivienabtas in that Houle,
advancing much fader in arguments than the Catho-
Lev ever would in palwer. %Who were to ClinOli or
:eturn them I In truth, he was certain, that in to
7.L41,. rot ten Catholic Members would be returned.
Lot ;appt•fe the whole hundred, with five hundred
and filly-eight Protellant Member's, what did the
Right Honourable Gentleman then luppole ? Why,
-that the Union would be dianlved, and the one
hundred Members fent back to Ireland to hold a Po.
pifh Parliament. He had a great perfonal refpeO for
the Right Honourable Gentleman, but it was really
contemptible to talk of Inch effats from a few Irilh
Members. It feenied as if fume perfons were font to
Parliament to calumniate their country, tor he had
heard of the barbarous Rate of Ireland, and that no
Proteßant could live in Tome parts of it in fafety.—
He had heard this before, in another place : but he
heard it here with greater fhame. If the Irifb
were fo viradidive, how could they, who made
fuel' rcprefentations of them, walk their own (beets
in fafety and yet he had never heard of any
intlances of violence or ill-ufage towards thofe
who had expreffed fuch fentiments in public.—
A Learned Gentleman had yelierday oppofed this
meafure upon grounds that would be equally in op-

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pofition to it, and which would have led Wm is 11-
fufe the eleßive feaschife, and the foundation of the
College of Maynooth. What, did he wilh them to
be ravages? or to fend thcm to the Pope, whom he
had defcribed as the creatute of Bonaparte, to learn
loyalty ? What are that Right Hon. Gentleman's uo•
lions of loyalty ? Gentlemen were very plentiful in
afTertions, but very (Canty in reafons. Suppofe a man
of great charadter' attainments, and genic::, , a Ca-
tholic, feleed by the King to be Secretary of State,
or Chancellor of the Exchequer, he mull be a fool
or a madman to advice his Sovereign to etack the
Chnrch and State. How long could the King keep
fuch a man ? Would the Parliament allow it. or the
country fubmit to it ? But Catholics' oaths could not
be believed : like lovers, they are only deceitful.—
The Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Fofter) had praif-
ed many CathOlics as men of great worth ; was he a
man of worth whofr oath could not be taken ?He
then read an extra& from a Roman Catholic Prayer
Book, on the fubjeft of the fuppofed depofing power
of the Pope, (hewing their difbelief of that doarine,
as well as the oaths now taken under their relaxing
laws. It was grange, if we entertained filch an
opinion of Catholics, that Gentlemen from Leland
left their property and children under the care of
Catholic fervants. There never was fo foul a mit
reprefentation as that of the Irifh chars ter. The
charadter of the Irifh Catholic was in itfelf excel-
lent. No let of men in Eurdpe would preferve fo
much of what was good under fuch a long oppref-
fion. They owed what was good in them to them-
felves, and what was evil to theirGovetnment. He was
not afraid to fay In, and to tell the Houfe, that mil:
government was the caufe of their misfortunes. He
wished to ferve this Country—but not to flitter it.
Ireland had been badly governed. This was the till
time he had ever known an Irith matter coolly treat.
ed by an Englifhaffembly. He had many connexions
here, and great attachment to alit country. But the
management of Ireland had been, to a familiar ex-
preffion, conlideted here as a lore.. It was thrown t n
fuhaltern itoen‘ s. The origin ofthis arofe principally in
early days I rom commercial jealouly.Men ufed to think,
when the knowledge on that fubjedt was narrow and
confined, that to keep others poor was the way to
enrich themftives, as if it were molt profitable to deal
with poor customers. He was furprifed the Protef-
tants themfelves had not called for this meafure; but
power would corrupt both individuals and nations.
Conciliation was necefiry. Look at France. Feu
abhge doceri was an old maxim. Of all the fat.
(ions that lald exiled in the French Revolution, none
had thought of excluding men for their religions opi-
nions ; and whatever men might lay refpedting the
Pope and Bonaparte, the Protellants were now eligi-
ble to all (Aces in France. It we fent an army into
the South of France, did we expel the Protellants
there to join them ? Did not the Protellant power
of Prutlia cheat us of our money, while the Catholic
State or Auaria frlL;lit till (he could contend no lon-
ger ? France knew that lircr'-rth in Europe was
ftrength every where. It was in Europe we ought to
be Itrong. There was the root that took a firm hold
and fcnt up the truck and branches, and foliage that
covered fo much of the world. On our two iflands
we mull depend in fighting for Empire. The Peti-
tion could not he rtjedled but by thole who thought
it deltrudtive of the eflablifhment of the State. That
it had no fuch tendmey had been proved. On the
contrary, if compl.ed with, it tended to unite us all.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQIJER
role and laid in fubitance—" Differing, Sir, as I do,
nn many points, It the Honourable Gentleman
by whom this inoti.m has been introduced, and dif-
fering at the fame time from many Gentlemen who
have opposed the motion as to the ground of their
condo& I feel myfelff-alled upon to Rate very lhortly
to the lloult the views by which my sentiments are
influenced, and by which my vote will be guided on
the prefent occasion. In the firlt place, hower,:r, I
malt eaprcfs my great fatisfaElion am the temper and
moderation with which the lubjedt has been btoneht
before the Houle, and I troll that nothing on my p.trt
will ditturb that matters and impartiality with which
a queßion of lo moth magnitude fhould be tiiieuffed.
I. ant happy to notice, likewise, that from tl;c manner
in which the !tunnels was introduced by the iionour-
Gentlera in, I (hall be relieved from the necef-
ii y of ente.iog upon th'.fe contentious topics on
which it has frequently been my lot to be obiigen to
' enter, when gnetiinn., fornewhat fimilar have been
' under confiden.o ion. The Petitioners do not ground
their demand, on any cl. im of tight, and though the
Honour:dal,: Gentleman may not have renounced his
private (viol. n, upon the lubjedt, he is content to let
the matter be difetliird on the ground of expediency.
For my own part, lam ready to confels, that I
never did confider this quetlion as at all involving
' any claim of tight, and that it was folely on pi inci-
ples of expediency that I fhould have evor teeom.
mended it to your confideration, or the prayer of
the Petition to your adoption. I never felt that the
team Catholic Ernantipa•ion ever applied, in any
rational view, or any fair definition, to the lima-
(ion in which the Catholics hood, and with relation
to that in which, they were &limos to be placed.
Petl..re, indeed, in my tiew, the expe;irney of
the might be more oppofed to Lite right than
the Honz.urable Gentleman imagined, though he
th:tiLs the prat9:,:al conduit n might be the rime. I
apprehend little would be found more than a ilride
of liIti;ICIICC tnnween his tight and my expediency.
—The dittindtion appears to me broad, evident, and
fundamental. Right is that which is indepeuient of
chic urnitances ; expediency that which includes the
consideration of cocumltances, and is wholly go-
vcria.d by them and dependent on them. All quef-
dons of the enjoyment of power, the exercife of Iran-
chile, and the admiffibility to office, Molt be decided
by views of general convenience and advantage, and
are not in the nature of perfee perfonal tights, he-
cattle they are beliowed, not for the benefit of the in
dividual, but conferred for the fake of the State, for
whore fake the power is exercifed, and the duty per-
formed. For this reafon. in all quellions where
milar points have been involved, loch as queflions for
the repeal of the Tell AR, &c. I have thought it ef-
fential to difpute arty claim of right as a pretenfinn
altogether inconfiftent with the foundation of our li
berties and Constitution, by which we are bound to
confider what is for the advantage of the whole com-
munity. In this view we are bound to confider, not
the advantages of a meafure under one particular view
or eine let of circumitences, but to look at kas invol-
ving a multitude of confcquences in its adoption, i

emotions nay, in its very direufGon, and in the'
manner and time of its agitation. All thole circum-
-1
fiances which mutt fo muchatea the refultsof my pro-
pofition mutt be taken into the confideration of its ge-
net-al expediency. In this view, and with thefe impref-
fions, I looked at the queftion of giving to the Ca
tholics the privileges now claimed, of being able to tit
in Parliament, and to hold certain offices. On that
principle I felt, that entertaining, as I did, a a ifh for
the repeal of thofe laws, of which I cannot refieet
without fome regret, that the repeal has not been ob-
tained ; yet 'always felt, that previous to the Utiiim
with Ireland, it could not have been confident with
the permanent fafety of the Protellant interest, with
the eftablithed frame and conditution of that coun-
try, or with the exiftence of the connection with
Great Britain, that loch privileges fhould have been
conferred upon the Catholics. After that, indeed, I
taw the matter in a different tight, and. though cer-
tainly no pledge ever was given to the Catholics, that
their claims thould be granted (as has been admitted
by an Honourable Gentleman behind me, Mr. Lee)
yet, 1 have no hefitation to fay what I believe will
be borne out by the publication alluded to (his fpeeeh)
the accuracy of aihich, as a record of my fentiment
on that particular occafion, I am not going to dif-
pute ; that I then was of opinion that, if it was
found right to grant the claims of the Cttho-
lies, they might be granted with mote Way to the
general interefts of the Protefiants and of the
whole Empire, and even, if rejected, they might
be rejected with lefs danger to the tranquillity of
Ireland, than if that country had continued under
a local Legiflature. I thought ton, that loch con.
ceflions would have been granted by a United
Parliament under Inch guards and fecurities for our
civil and ecclefiaftical Coniiitution, as would entire-
ly remove the danger which many apprehended might
atife from fo great a departure from the policy of
former times. Such were my fenriments formerly
—fuch are they now. And unlefs I were fenfible
that there are circumflances which mud interfere
with the a zcompliffiment of the objet in the only
way in which I conceived it either wife to attempt
or even to agitate the quellion, I myfelf would have
deemed it my duty to fubmit it to Parliament.—
But, likewife, I fbould have done In only in the con
fidence that there were fuch weight and influence in
concurrence with me as would facilitate the palling
of the meafure without fuch a mixture of oppolition,
of acrimonious difctiffion, and contrariety of fen-
timetit and interest, as would infallibly be highly
prejudicial to the public welfare, and incnnfittent
with the end propofed. At the fame time, I do not
believe that it could be the wills of the Catholics
to prefs fordward their claims in any manner that
could tend to excite hollilities, to rekindle animoli-
ties, and to revive jealoulies. Yet, allowing every
thing for the good intentions, for the finccrity of the
Catholics in their declarations, that they have nn <Cf.
paition to avail themtelves of any power they may
attain to endanger the Church, or to encroach upon
ellahlilhed interest.,, I do not think it injurious to them
to luppole, that on time future occalion, under the
temptati..n of fume favourable opportunity, they
might feel that natural with, and one pari,:ula.ly in-
cident to the Catholic Religion, to aggraneize the
principles to which they are attached. It would have
been wife and proper not to have departed from the
policy of former times, without adopting new fecu-
rities for Church and State fuitable to the circum-
Ilances of the times and to the novelty of the dangers
' that might be apprehended. It would have been
proper and necelfary, therefore, to have accumpa-
flied coaceflions to the Catholics with new checks arid
guards for the etlablithed cc.nflitution. I thought
thefe precautions might to he adopted on different
grounds from any inherent fufpicion of the Catholics,
whore general loyalty I am as willing as any to admit.
I know that it was not as Catholics that fo many
petit-ins of that perlualion were engaged in the rebel-
lion. Ir is true that the rebellion !piling from dude
principles of Jacohinifin which were let kofe in
France ; but it is not unfair to fay alio, that the in-
fluence of Neils that-delves, corrupted by Jacobin
principles, may not have been without off, in aggra-
vating the evil. For this realon it appeated to me de-
firabie zo provide checks cortefponding to the danger
to be apprehended ; checks not applyi :g to the Catho.
lies as Catholics, tut filch Tells as would he a leen-
rity apinli the principles on which the Rebellion
originated. It timed expedient alio to provide fome
guards againil the evil influence which the bigotry
of Prielts might prompt them to esercile over the
lower orders, and for that purpofi I was delimits 1,
that mealures fhnuld be adopted to conciliate the
Priells to the Government, by making them, in fume
degree, dependant upon it ; thus making them links
to L.:4lmA the Covet nment with the lower charts of
fociety. Convinced that this queftiun ought not to
he entertained as to direa our attention from thole
dangers which had threatened, or thole that at a fit
tore time might threaten the Coniiitution, I law
that the whole of Ureic views and conliderations were
to be combined into a fylteni, under which the Ca-
tholics would enjoy equal pi iviicges, and the tltablilli-
ed Government would be peifeelly fecure ; tinder
which the Catholics would be fatisfied and the Pro-'
tenants fale. Looking at the various interals to be
conciliated, the different objtels to be termed, I was
demons, if pollible, to find that conciur ,•,:e which
would have given a fair chance for carrying into efLet
a well matured and digefled fy Item, without the dan-
ger of Oink obtlacles that might pervert its tendency
or defeat its effect. When 1 !late this, I mull fay like-
wile, that I confidered the period which immediately
followed the Union s molt favourable for carrying
into execution thole views, not becaufe any pledge
had been given, but becattfe a very natural expeeta-
tion was entertained, that then the r9eallire would be
brought forward. I thongtt too that the Protellant
interells of Ireland, relieved from the precarious Hate
in which they flood before the Union, finding their
caufe and their rights confblialated with thole of the
whole Protetiants of England, Would no longer fee
in the extenfion to the Catholics of the privileges
claimed, any danger to their propel ties, to their pn li
-
litical or religious liberties ; I [ruffed that it would
have been poffible therefore, to bring forward the
meafure under the belt aufpices, without any danger
of reviving jealuufies, of rekindling animufities, and
producing thole feuds Co incompatible with real con-
ciliation, and with the ends propofed. Unlefs done
with thefe advantages, the advantages of the meafure
I conceived would be loft.
Unfortunately, however, Sir, circumftances oe,or •

red which prevented me from bringing forward this
great meafure in the manner I had hoped for, and in-
deed in the only manner which promised to be at once
advantageous to the public, while it rekindled no po-
!ideal prejudicesand enflamed no religious antraofnies,
while it accomplifhed a great national benefit, Vb4,' ac-
companied by none of thole collateral dangers which
many Gentlemen confider fo formihable as to render
the agitation of the queftion at all either politic or ex-
pedient. What was generally the nature of thefe cir-
cumffances, the Houle are not ignorant from what
fell from me at the period to which I have alluded. I
then explained all that appeared to me to be neceftiry,
and at prefent I do not feel myfelf called on to give
a more detailed explanation. Theft circumflances'
certainly did appear tome ofa nature which rendered
it expedient for me to relinquith the fituation I then
held in his Majeffy's Government, f-r, conliftently
with my own feelings, I could not brine forward th-
quellion while fuch eircumllances existed, and
could not bring mvf-lf to be a parry to the agitation,
far lefs to the preffing of a meafure, to whore fuccefs
there was an irrefittible obllacle. For me to have in
fuch a fituation prefix! the difeuffion of the quellion,
would have been altogether incenfiltent with my own
views, the very effence of the fyllem which I meant to
propofe, being to etlablith on a permanent balls, tran-
quillity, union, and peace. among the inhabitants
of Ireland. My objeft was to allay the term_nt that
had tun long fatally exilled, to truth all odious jea-
Indies and diftinftions, but this objeCt I never could
hope to obtain by prefing the confideration of a mea-
lure, profeffing to have thefe objefts in view, when
I mutt have been fenfible that the minds of men were
not prepared for its reception, when I was confcious
it could not be carried in that fpirit of harmony, from
which all its utility was derived. To have attempt-
edothen to carry the meaf ire, under fuch circumftan-
ces, would, instead of conciliation, hay:pi-twill. ed jea-
Ion& ; instead of healing up the wounds which religi-
ous rancour had produced, would only have occafion-
ed new feuds and frefh conctflions. It certainly gave
rife, in my mind, to bitter grief, to fee that I could nqi,
with any profpea of fuccefs, bring forward a meafure,
from the adoption of which I anticipated fo much ad- I
vantage to the Empire ; but, though I felt the deepest
regret on the fubjeft, I refolved, and I am fpeaking in
the hearing of thole who have heard the refolution
declared, that I (should never be concerned, either in
agitating or preffing a meafure, the full advantages
of which cannot be received, nnlefs it meets with
the general approbation of the parties, to whole in-
! terelts it principally applies. I am not, indeed, fuch
a vifionary as to imagine that no great public meafure
is to be introduced, milers there is a profpeet that it
will be almoit tinanimouliy adopted ; but, I mull be
candid enough to own, that where the meafure has
a firong combination to encounter, it ought not to be
inconsiderately or intemperately urged. Some pains
ought to be taken in fmorithing and foftening down
adverfe opinions, and, while a great object is accom-
plithed, to take care that la few evil confequences as
peffible (hail attend it. This, Sir, is my view of the
Inbjeft immediately fubliquent to the Union, and this
view, on the molt mature contideration, continues
unchanged. Even admitting that the queftion now
before the Houle were carried, of which there appears
to me hardly even a chance, it would not at all pro-
mote
thole views of permanent conciliation, to which I
my attention was principally direeted—on the con-
trary, .1
if the quellion is not carried, the only effed
of agitating or preffing the bufinefs now, will
be to excite hopes which will never be gratified ;
to give rife to expeftations which are fore to ter- I
urinate in dilappotntment. The Catholics will
not feel grateful for a benefit meant to be conferred
nn them, and the Proteflants, both of Ireland and
England, will be in danger of being difg,ulled at
what they may conceive an unjufiiiiable attempt to
remove thole checks on Roman Catholics which the
wifiom of our ancetlors provided for the fecurity of
our church ettablifinnent. Nnw, Sir, looking to the
chance of fuccefs, do we not find that the pi-volition
is brought forward under the moil unfavourable cir-
cumtlances ? We find that the great body of our molt
refpeftable clergy, that moll of our coutiderable No-
bility, that the molt refpeetable corporate bodies in
the kingdom, that the middling indulirious orders in
the community, that even the mafs of the lower or-
ders are ail agreed in opposition to the motion. I
ask, then, even the lion. Member himfelf, who in-
t•oduced the bufinefs, whether this was not a very
out-avowable moment for fuhmiting the 1 ulinefs to
the confideration of Parliament ? or whetl.er, if the
motion were, contrary to all probability, carried, the
Weed's would he Inch as was at all likely to be pro.
duelive of important confequences ? So fenfible of
this, indeed, are even thole who are molt flrenuous
in behalf of the claims of the Petitioners, that they
feem even to anticipate the decilion of the Houfe in
its rejeelion ; and it was a convielion that this was
not the time to look for fuccels, which determined
me not to agitate or to prefs a bufinefs where a rejec-
tion of the claims of a refpcCtable body n*ght pro.
duce confequences much to be deplored. 1 believe !:
the general fentiment and feeling of the public mind
to be (trong and deep-rooted againtl the claims of
the Lin Catholics; and refting the whole efficacy of
my meafure on a generally declared fenfe of national
feeling, it would have been altogether abfurd in me
at prefent to have fubmitted it to your approbation
or rejeftion. How tar circumtlances may alter fo
as to remove all the objections now exining to the
difcuffron of the quellion, it is not for me to conjec
tore ; and this is the let's necefrary, becaufe when the
obtlacles are removed, I hare no doubt that no titre
will be loft in fnbmitting to Parliament fome propo.
titian on a matter li, intimately connelled with the
highell interefts, and fo neceffitry to the permanent
fatety of the Empire. The Honourable Gentleman
who began the debate this evening, and whom I
do not not now fee in his place, ( Mr. W. Smith,)
thought proper to make lime remarks on a de-
cifion of the other Houle of Parliament, on this
fubjetl, and argued, that this decition by no means
interfered with the decition to which this Houle
in their wifdom might arrive. I am by no means,
Sir, difpofed to controvert the potation, that we are
in all our decifions completely independent of the
other branch cf the Legiflature. I am fenfible that,
even after that branch have come to aparticular de.
cilion, this Houle, fupported by the voice of th
country, and the ltrong force of reafon and juffice,
may fucceed fisite of all oppofition, in carrying a
meafure connected with the fecurity, or the honour
of the Empire. This, however, is a power always to

be excr,;fed with the utmofl degree of diferetion. I
put it that, Sir, to the conflderation of the Houle,
Iv/tether after loch a decifion as that in the other
P.onfe of Parliament on this fubjea, there is any
Chance that the cytettion will be differently decided
here ';rider the p:cfrlit circutrli :noes. But let Gen-
tlemen c.o•Cid;:r too that *tithe motion for going into
a Committee were agieed to, I want to know whe-
ther loch a decifion would at all contribute to that
harmony and conciliation which both fides of the
Hoof:: have in view ? We are anxious to conciliate
the Catholics, but let us not in the mode of applying
this conciliation irritate a much large: body of our
fellow fubjeOs. While we thaw together the bonds
which unite one dais of our population, let us not
give offence to another parr, whole loyalty and at-
tachment Las long been undoubted. Before we con-
lent In go into the Committee, let us reflea on the
m.requences of loch a meafure, and let not lofe
fteir of the contideration that the eyes of all orders
of the (late will be fired on our proceedings. 'There
hare feels tome arguments u&d for going into the
Committee, to which, it appears to me, that no ifn-
pottanee ongtit to be attached. The ion. Gentle.
man who introduced the rumiun, alluded to the hard-
Ihips to which Catholic Officers coming to this
country wete expoled. In Ireland they were to-
tally unrellrained, but no fowler were they fta-
tinned here, thin they were liable to all our tens

and renal laws. The Honourable Gentleman si-
ft, aib,ded to tEe circitmttances of the Catholic pri-
vate foldiers, not heirs permitted to go to mats,
bnt compelled to attend a Protellant place of wor-
thip. If thefe are real hardlhips, 1 think they are
matte** of mere regulation, and rarely the Houle
will never content to go into a Committee to ex-
arrire into filch miru'e articles as thole I have now

timed. lithe kitatfe goes into the Committee at all,
it moil be on broad general principles, it mull be
for the pi); pole of eonlidering it in all its bearings and
relations. It would be intonfiflcht with the dig-
nity of the lit,ofe to allow minute details to be held
forth as reafons for refftiving into a Committee,
which is meant to nit the foundational the quettion,
and which mull of meal ty, fo much excite the
hopes and fears of the oppolite parties. I lament
extremely that the Catholics have at prefent agitated
the question, for I do not deny their right to Petition
this Houfe on a fubjea which to them is of the highefl
importance. I am lorry that fuch a time was feleaed
when no rational hope of rimed& can be entertained.
The Hon. Gentleman on the other fide (Mr.Grattan),
who ruppurted the Motion with Poch Paining talents
and fplendunr of eloquence, would not deny that no
thing was mare dangerous than to bold out hopes
which could not be realized. Either he or the Ho-
nourable Gentleman w ho introduced the bofinefs, had
indeed given us an instance fufficiently illullrative of
their agreeing in this poliiinn: They had contended
that if there were any circumilances ariling out of,
religions opinion which 'awed the Catholics in the
Rebellion of 1798, they %Were Wkly attributable to
the dilappointment of thole hopes of Emancipation
which Earl Fit swilliant had encouraged. What then
would be the coils quencz on the feelings of the Ca-
tholics if the Houle were to tefolve into a Commit-
tee, and after full inveit:gation decide that no part
of the Petitioners' claims th^uld be granted.? Would
not all their hopes be disappointed, and might not the
wont confequences take place. It is the anticipation
of fuch confetpiewces that makes me fincerely lament
the agitation rf the question at the prefent moment.
—On all the grounds I have Stated, thouggh no man
regrets more truly than I do that any ohrtacle Rands
an the war of the Catholic claims: I mutt give my
direa negative to the Motion."
Mr. WINDHAM thought tie queftion, now under confidera-
don, an immediate L orfequenee of the lit,ion with Ireland. It
was a meafure Which .e. :bangle tspedi: nt then, and he did lint
know what a:tera. ion there had been in the times, to snake it lets
expedient now. If we s ..ited tii: the ohjeLitions now ftancd were
done away, it was poeiole the Petition would never be received.
He knew of 110 reafon againit it, which exifted in 1801, that did
nn hold equally good now: '1 he circumstances that have been
alluded to, as having flood in the way, remain unexplained. As
to the qutftion expeOiency, it was a claim of common and ge-
neral right, to he admitted to a free Male of the benefits ariling
iron, the a•lmhaillricion of the Empire. No danger has been
!hewn as likely to occur Crum receiving the Petition, but much
might arife front rejedling it. The 0,::.r lies upon thole who oppole
it to make out a cafe f darger tie emend his protelt aeainft
the receiving of eircui..ft.mc‘b unexplan.ed, as a motive fur re-
jedting it.

Sir JOHN NEWPORT fiid. he would point out a new ground
which had riot yet bun up. It had been Paid that in ho
country did Diffenter• erjoy fn awny privileges as the Roman Ca.
tholics in Ireland. This was a z•r:-.:d allertion, and originated in
miftakc. Hungary very lately c-shiMted a cafe in point. That
Government poll-cited many advaa•a;es in point of liberty, and
perhaps approached marer to our own than any other. In their
Diet, heid in 1791, certain reiclu.ions were paired, ordaining free-
dom for all denomication4, uith the liberty of erecting fchnol-
houfes for inftruiti‘ai, without any diftinaion as to fed 'Phis
grant of liberty caufed the inliaLitants to unix ; and it was an
apprehenlion of their rifwg in defence of their King, liberties,
and laws, that procured the tr,aiy of Leoben.
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,
Mr. MAURICE :11.7,1;t R ALD Paid, that when the fubjed
mine to a ernt difctiffion, all objeCtions with regard to the pro-
priety of the fubjed mater cf the Edition would he abandoned,
and it could be rejeeted only on the grounds of expediency. His
duty made hint obLrve that if the relent Petition was rejeCted,
any ultimate hopes of fuccefs, which they might look forward to,
would prove a dange mu. hare. When he voted for the Union, n
%yam wig h a view to the prefent m satire. The imprefEon made on
the Catholic mind at that time was,,that the Cabinet Minifters,as
well as the: Oppofition. were in favour of granting their claims;
and they expetted that they would he much more attended to at
ad, time, He hoped the Irilk Catholics would preferve an qua-
y of temper, and, in the interval of difeuflion, forget the
s' us. calumnies which had been cast on that unfortunate cour.t..y,
and that the nation would be judged of by its conduCt only. -
Coittael A R CHM; LE read a pafrage irorn a pamphlet,which be
01,-el to he of great authority, Ihcwiitg that the bulk of the Ro-
man Catholics then-de:y.3 were by nu means anxious about the
lEn -of the Ineftion. Ihe coun:, be contended, if u good one, had
beet. if: cotteluded, and goat hi. decided aegative to the motion.

Mr. AUGUST cinelaimod its being a party mea-
tune ; fever..l millions or people were concerned in it, and it would
he fportfng with their feelings to confider it as fuch. It was a claim
that regarded the fafety of Ireland. Martial law had been pro-
claimed in that country. and the Habeas Corpus AA' had been an-
nually infra:ied ; the hearts of the Irifa bad been alienated; but
if thw mediae was carried, it would prefect a firm and iron
bulwark which would contribute greatly to the defence of Ireland.
Mr. 'SHAM', (Meniber fur Dublin) laid, that having the hm
tour of reprcfenting the Metropolis of that country, he could not
bring hitrfelf Ro give a filent vote on a lubjedt of filch great impor-
tance to its interefts; he felt it Isis duty, unlefa his Conllituents
ihoLld give him pollute dire dions to the contrary, .to defend and
p eltrve uninipai-ed the Protettant Conftitution, which was the
Moft important trutt rfpofi,d in the Members of that Houk..
. Mr. HILEY ADDINGTON role merely to give a thort expla-
nation on one point, with which the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Fox)
Le trolled, would be perfectly fatisfied. In the courfe of yeller-
day's debate, one of the Hon. Gentleman's arguments was, that
hope had been held out to the Catholics, in one of the great de.
hates on Catholic Emancipation, improperly fo called; and he
quoted a ;mirage from a (perch of a Noble Relation of his, and an
e..ulanation was afterwards given by another Member, that pleafed
tun (Mr. H. Adattrr,t,,n) as well as fatisfied his Noble Relation.

~~

If his recolledtion had gone far enough, he would have itatcd the
tract words; he believed it was to firs purpofe, that if the t fla-
blilhment of Popery was not the objsdt of the Petitioners, perhaps
he Mould have been inclined to litlcri to it, if modulated with cer-
tain conditions. This was a tail fur a revolution, in the repeal of
tome of the wifeft laws of the land.

Sir j. HIPPESLEY Rated two ftriking taste, one of them—the
Contlitution of Corfica, as ratified by his Majlity, and which iti-
gulated that the Roman Catholic Religion, in all its ey
purity (which were the wnros of the Act), Ihould be the only Na-
tional Ittligon of Corlica, and all ethers to:erated ; and that the
Parliament Should concert the thfcharge of the fundlions of the Bl-
fhops, with the See of Rome. The other fad was, that a Roman
Catholic prit-it, of the name of MiJohnel, had bun commilLoned
by his Majelty in the year a 794, as Chaplain to a Catholic Regi-
ment raided in Great Britain. He Paid b left Gentlemen to draw
their own inferences from thtfe ei mum ftan ccs—how far they might
confider fuch ads as trenching on the principles of the Cunftitu-
tion, as it had been argued, or perfealy cordillera with the prero-
gative of the Crown. At that late hour, feting the difpofition of
the Houfe, he would nor prefs the fohjed farther.
Mr. LATOUCHE thought that the meafure, inflead of endan-
geriog the Proteftant intereft, would cortfolidate the force, and
firengthtu the general interefts of the Empire
_ _ . .

Lord DF. BL AQ.DI ER E arote in the naldft of much clamour for
the quellion. He laid, that he Ihould not detain the Houle more
than ball an hour (a lanz6). It was not his fault that he (poke fo
late, as he had repeatedly offered isimfelf to the Spelltees eye.—
(dfirotber lamb)—He expected snore ferioufilets, when he was ad.
drilling the Houfe on Co grave a queftion. He was of opinion, that
what wai demanded by the Petition could not be given either now
or at any future time, wit4out danger to the Conllitution. If the
prayer was allowed, he ffiould not know whether to educate his
childie.n Catholict or Proteflants. He was of opinion that this
had been made a party (petition, fimilar to thole relating to the
Defence Bills and Lord Melville.—(' 'e cry f Queliion became n,ry
load indeed, and rye Nolue I,rd fat dawn.)
Colonel IIU It:HINSON fail, that at this late Four, and near-
ly at the dole of the debate, he should not have troubled the Houle,
but from a with to repel Come indecent flaunters which had been
thrown on the Petitioners. It bad been laid that they were dif-
affeEted. It was for thole who knew them not to ufe fuch lan-
guage. A Learned Gentitman (the Attorney General) had laid,
that iriftead of granting indulgences to the Irina Catholics, it
irtii,ht be deemed expedient to rocur to the penal code ! Such fen.
tiinents, front fuch a quarter, bore with them their own corn.
mentary. The Hon. Colonel here proceeded to read Come ca-
nnel' from the pamphlet of Mr. Scully (an frith Delegate) in
order to Thew the loy.l and patriotic purport of the Work.--
He laid that the Catholics were contending. not for equal power,
but for equal privileges. He was rather few= on Lord CafUe
reagh, whole letters and fpeeches the People of Ir.:Land mutt re-
member and arraign as
" Paltering wilt them in a double frac,
" Which keeps the word of promifc to the ear,
" But breaks it to the hope."
. . _

The ATTORNEY GENERAL rofe to explain. What he laid
was, that if the Houle expected the Catholics would he conciliated
by acceding to their Petition, he thought they were milLikeii,ond
believed they would want tom:thing more; viz. the ernolumuits
arifing from offices of the Church. The other point was, that he
bad been made to hold out the threat of reviving the penal code.
This was a miltake, he thought it a bloody and cruel code. But
be had Paid, that if he had been confulted, he fliould have oppofed
granting them their eledive tram:hilts, and the eftabliihnitnt of a
college at Maynomh.
Si; WILLIAM SCOTT explained.
Mr. HAWTHORNE fpoke in favour of the Petition; and Sir
GEORG: HILL agaita it.
Sir W. DOLBEN was againft the motion; in his °I:141ton all
the talents and ingenuity were on one fide, and the force of argu-
ment and public principle nn the other.
Lir. M. FITZGERALD explained.
.._ . _

Mr. FOX anfwered all the objedlions, which had been urged
againft his motion, either upon its principle, or in point of expe-
diency. He alleged, that no time could he more fitting for bringing
the queftion forward than the prefent; for the fame reaforts width
would have juftifted its difniffion at the time of the Unarm, ex ifted
in full force at the prefeet moment. He replied to what had fallen
from a Right Hon. Member ( Mr. Hiley Addington) refpeeling the
obfervations which hail been formerly made by a Noble Relative cf
his, and maintained that the Noble Vircount had laid, "that if he
were to take his choice of the evils, he would prefer the re-enadt-
:tient of all the penal laws againft. tke Roman t. athullcs to what
was called Catholic Emancipation." As to the imputation which
had been attempted to he thrown upon him, for having introduced
the queftion, at no pet i-tri of his lire wool.: he ever have refuLd to
prefent a Petition for the repeal of religh,ut difabiliriev, if he had
been folicited thereto by orderly and 't efiteclable persons. He had
another motive allia fur bringing it fo:ward, and that was the ei-
pedation which he confecid he entertained, that the Right Fie-
nourable Gentlemau at the head of his 11•lajelty's Goientment
would redeem that pledge; no matter whether expert or implied,
which he underlined he had given the Catholics. He proceeded
to explain the rufous which induced him to Rand forward the ad-
vocate of the Catholics, and concluded with expreffing his fang uine
expedlations that the day wai..not far dillant, when the Catholics
would be reftored to the full enjoyment of all thole privileges
which they had been fo long and to nojuftly deprived of.
The Houle then divided on Mr. Fox's motion,
Ayes, 124 ; Noes, 316.—Majority, 212.
Adjourned at a quarter before flue this morning, till afternoon.

FI the LONLON GiaiiiTE, May 4.

BANKRUPTCY ENLARGED.
May 1.9. Thomas f roggmt, of Matlock Bath, Derbyfhire, inn-
keeper, at ten, at the Kiddlefton Inn, Derby
June 18. William Dann, of Gillingham, Keut, banker, at ten, at
Guildhall, London.
June 18. Bryan Bentham, of Sheancfs, Kent, banker, at ten, at
Guildhall, London.
June 18. James Baikie, of Chatham, Kent, banker, at ten, at
Guildhall, London.
BANKRUPTCY SUPERSEDED.

George Ludlow, of Angel-court, .1 brogenorton-Rrect, London,
ail of New Brunie. ick. Nor% America, merchant.
BA NKKUP

Angus Maephie. late of Word; flfez, merchant, dealer and chap-
' man, to furtender May 18, as, and June as, zt ten, at Guadhall.
Attorney, Mr. David Ruffen , Crown-court, Aldertgat,-firset.
Thomas Clarke, late of Lanb. urn, Elfex, cowkeepet, &ster and
chapman, May IS, Jane a, ar,d z„ at twelve, at Guildhall.—
Attorney, Mr. Edward Baddc:ey, No.6t, Leman Itiect, Good.
man's Fields.

John Ingle, of Afhby.de-Ia Zouch, Leiccfterthire, mercer and
draper, dealer and chapman, June 17. tg, and 15, at eleven, at
the Queen's Head Inn. Mhbyolela-Zouch. Abottdes, MeIN.
Pencil and V. ehll,r, Arany-de-la,'.ruck ; or Alegis. Kinderley,
Long, and Ince Symond'a Inn, Chancery lane, London.

. _
William Lcwis, of DOW:411, par. of Men hyr-tidvil, Glamorgan-
Mire, May 28, ay, and June as, at eleven, at the Boa Tavern,
BMA Attornies, Mr. Thomas Mrrgan, Briftol; or Mr. James,
No. t 2, Gray's Inn-fcluare,l.oudon.
Andrew Ivl.Ewen, of Liverpool, broker, au flione(r, dea!er and
chapman, June 7,8; and as, at eleven. at the (:lobe Tavern,
Liverpool. Attornies,Edward Afcroft, No. c, Fenwick-Rreet;

Livcs.pool; and Mr. u. Bougficld, Elul-arca,

London.
W.lliam Stewart, of Liverpool, liquor merchant, June 7, B,and
25, at two, at the Globe Tavern, Liverpool. Atturnies, Ed-
ward Alcruft, No. s, Fenwick-ftteet, Liverpool; and Mr.
Henry Blacklock, Temple, I.ondon.
John George Nicholls, of Moulfey, Surrey, merchant, dealer and
chapman, May is, June 8, and 25, at cloven, at Guildhall,
London. AttorAes, Mcffrs. Denneus and Greaves, King's
Arms-yard, Coleman•ftreet.
PARTNERSHIFS DISSOLVED.

John William Adam, Joftah Walley, and John Wood Nelfon,
of Crutehed Friars London, merchants, May 1, tljos.

George Hofkins and Francis Shand, j,:n. of Liverpol, iron mer-
chants, May 3, t 803... . .

--
Henry Servante and Samuel Sharr, of Ncwi,-ate-lireet,l.ondon,
Uttar draper, May 13, tBor.
Wdliam Rhodes, of Huddersfield, and Charles Rhodes, of Aid-
moodbury, Yorkfhire, cotton manufacturers, January 23, rBor.
Alexander Dallas and Angus M.ickintih, of Burr- fireet, Eaft
Smithfield, Mid.lefex,merchants and beer merchants, May 1,1805.
James King, Paul Litter, and Hamlet Bent, of Mitholm, Hali-
fax, Yorkfbire, c stton.tss iit manufadturers, March 25, 1805.
Francis Fortune and William Canton, of Haverfordweß, timber
merchants, May 9, aos.
George Revell, F. Green, deceafcd, and Jofeph Sykes, of Upper
Thames-ftreet, London, wl-,,,lefale grocers, May 13, 1805.
Peter Clarke and Wm. Mitchell, of High.row, Knigh:fbridge,
SuMargaret, Wellmintter, Carpenters, May 1?, ABO 5.

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LONDON. ,

WEDNESDAY, MAY I's.

PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT DHP. O•CI.Of`Rs
Conf. flu motizy, 581—s-Ditto, Mar•. 58a —Orisniam
Ezeheq. Bills par Is. ',rats.

A Gottenburgh Mail arrived this day. The fol-
lowing is the only article of intelligence which it
brings us from Ruda, and it is not uninterefling :
" Sr. Pt riessuacH, APRIL Lt.—The Englilh
Government have been making large purchafes of
pt ovillona in the Crimea, both of beef and pork, which
in that country are excellent in their kind, and have
employed a number of falters to prepare it. Thefe
purchafes have been made at the low rate of three
farthings flerling, a pound. The Englifh agent there
has fent off upwards of twenty fail of tranfports,
laden, to Malta, for the ufe of the fleet in the Medi-
terranean."

Amcmg the fhipsof war which came into Plymouth
and Torbay were thole under Admiral Cot.t.tac WOOD,
which were generally believed to have failed to rein-
force Admiral COCHRANF. Every exertion is making
to fupply them quickly with the provifions and (Totes
neceffary for the voyage. S•ane of them have al-
ready failed, and the reft will follow immediately.
Government have received intelligence of Lord
GARDNER'S having refumed his Ration, with eighteen
fail of the line ; and this day difpatches were received
from his Lordfhip, dated off Ufhant.
The (hips leen by the Guernfey privateer, and re-
ported to the Vitale, appear by fubfequent intelli-
gence to have been the outward bound Eaft Tndia
fleet, under convoy of the BLENtts:m man of war,
tak.ng perhaps a rather circuitous courfe to avoid
the combined French and Spanifh fquadrons, having
heard they were at lea.

Nothing further has tranfpired refpeCting the delli-
nation of the enemy's force.

It is reported that Lord NELsnw has fallen in with
the French fleet and beat them ; but no account of
l
fuch an event has yet been received atthe Admiralty.

The KINc has been pleated to approve of the ap-
pointment of Mr. VALVRIO ANTONIO SFIXAS BAR.
my°, to be the Conful for the Prince Regent of
Portugal, in the town of Liverpool.
_ .

The— if-mu has alfo been pleated to approve of the
appointment of WILLIAM LYMAN, Efq. to be Con
ful for the United States of America, in the port of
London.

The TRIUMPH is ordered to he fitted for foreign
fervice immediately; as is the EGYPTIENIIR and
ARETHUSA. _ _

The Board of Enquiry have moved from Craven
ltreet, to the Admiralty.

We learn by letters from Cuernfey and Jerfey,
that the pr e:'s has been very fuccefsful in both thefe
Wands, upwards of 300 good feamen having been
ricked up !ince the embargo commenced, a circum-
stance which never took place in thofe itlands before.
The Surrey County Meeting was on Monday held
at Eprom. Sir JOSEPH Mawasy moved. the Refolu-
:ions, for which fee the &II page of this Paper.—
Only five of the twelve Gentlemen who (ivied the
requifition were prefect.
THEATRE, DRURY-LANE.Laft night their MA-
JESTIES and four of the Par NCESSES vi?ited this Thea
tre. The performances were, The Wheel of Fortune
and the farce of 7be Anatomill. The company, who
were elegant, manifelled their loyalty in the ufual
manner.

The CHANCELLOR, on Monday, delivered judg.
ment in the cattle refpeefingihe guardianfaip. of Lord
HUGH SEYMOUR'S daughter which bad been claimed
on the one part by Mrs. TITZHEKBERT, and on the
other by Lnrd Eurrom and the relations of the fa-
mily. The CHeaciLLort decreed the guardianfhip Of
the child to the relations of Lord HUGH SEYMOUR.
Yeflerday a Cattle of great importance crone on at
Guildhall, before the Itscoanse and a Special Jury,
relative to the Legal Quays, between the Crown and
the Fifhmongers Company, a. owners of the freehold
of l'ortet'sQ2ay and Medis.Davfou and Dixon, of
; when the Jnry found a verdi& for the free:,
holders in the tint of 36,89 .l. and for the occupiers,
Mefrrs. Dawfon and Dixon, 23,1591. r6c.
COURT Or I{l:so's Beam.—Agreeably to the or-
der of Lord ELLkaaneoccw, on the 7th inflant, in
the rade of the Kin; v. Jofeph Hanlon, Efq. the De-
fendant was this day brought up to receive judg-
ment. The fentence of the Court was—" That Col.
Hanfno be imprifoned one month in the King's
Bench, fined tcol. and give fecuritiessfor the peace
for three years, himfelf in wool. and two fureties in
loot. each." In our report of the proceedings in
this cattle, given in the STAR of the 9tll, there was an
inaccuracy. The challenge was not accepted by Mr..
Hanlon in Mr. Crr4by's flop, bur f.ihfequently, when
he went to the ofCce of Meilrs. Sharp and Eccles.
Orange and Lemon Ttces, Catalonian and Ara-
bian Jell-amines, and True Brunfwick Saufages are
this day arrived in excellant condition at JOHN Boa-
ass and Son's Warthritite, N 0.507, Strand, corner
of the Savoy Steps. •
The firfl drawn Ticket, on Monday, No. 16,549,
entitled to to,oool was fold by Meffrs. Baucxsaaw
and CAM., No 96, Royal Ertbance.
FirL Day.—The Ticket No. rj,oot, drawn a prize
on Monday of loco', was fold in'one half, one guar-
ter, one eighth, .and two fixteenth foares, at Buss's
Offices, No. 4, :Cornhill, and No. 9; Charing•Crofs,
where the fortunate holders may receive their *money
on demand.—Undrawn Tickets and Shares are fel-
ling till nine Alock next Saturday motn:tig, when
the Second Day's drawing will begin.
Next Saturday will be the Secund Day of Draw-
ing.—The Tickets and Shares continue on fale at
Swirl' and Co.'s Office, in the Poultry. This Office
has always been remarkable for the fale of Capital
Prizes ; in the.two laL Lotteries only, the following
were ('hared and fold there—No. 6791, a Prize of
zo,oool. ; Nos. 9362 and 20,952, Prizes of to,oool.
each ; Nos. claoo and 19.008, Prizes of moo). each;
and Nos. s(leas and t6,zettl, Prizes of sool. each.

CORN EXl:liifir-GE, 211.1RK-LANE, mAr! 5.

The Market is tolerably well fupplied with Grain:
the fleet from the Baltic arriving with near fixty
of Wheat, caufes very few purchafes, expe&ing a
further reduaion. Fine Making BatLys keep up ;
much of inferior, which is nearly unf3kable, though
much lower—Malt, White Peas, with the two forts
of Beans, have little variation—fome Grey l'e3s ar-
rived, and not ready fale-Osts are in good Cupp''',
with fome foreign cargoes; this article is named
fomcwhat lefs in price, but fome very fine at more
than our currency—no Rape Seed, & Flour plentiful.
GENERAL CURRENCY AS UNDER.
Wheat, 565. 611 s. 1324. per qr. Grey Peale 400.5° 430.
Fine Ditto. 901.955. oil. Beane. 421.475. od.
Rye, 504. 02- Tick Ditto 380. 441- 04
Barley, 30‘ 424- 011 Oats, 245. 275. ags.
Malt, 665. 7as. od. Poland ditto, 3os 3ss od.
White Peak, NI. 474. od. Rape Seed, oos.oos.
PRICF. OF FLOUR.
Fine Flour 751. to 785. Seconds 6js. to na. per lack.