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London, England, 1825-03-12 00:00:00

MARINE MUTINY RILL.

The Order of the DAy for committing the Bill was read.
Sir EDWARD KNATCI-IBULL wished to know if
there was any objection to putting the marines on the
same footing 0 ith the troops of the line, as to allowances
for removing the wives and families in case of embark-
ing for fomign countries, or returning from them ?
Mr. CROKER said that the marines were differently
Circumstanced. They had fixed places, from which only
. they could be embarked, and at which alone they must
be landed. While here, they were domiciled, and on their return
they would expect tc find their wives ready to receive them, as it
must be known where they would be landed.
The House resolved itself into a Committee.

Mr. HUME wished to introduces clause to prevent
flogging without the formality of trial, in the Navy.
Mr. CROK ER said, that the Hon. Gentleman must
be under a mistake. The discipline of the Navy was
author iced by the '2sth Geo. 111. which was a perma-
nent measure, and could only be brought into discus.
sion by a motion for revising or repealing the Act.
This was an annual Bill, affecting the marines only in,
their character of land forces, and applicable to them while they
were on shore.
Mr. HUME signified his intention, as the subject was of deep
consequence, of bringing it before the House upon a specific mo-
don, of which he promised early notice.
The House resumed—the Report to be received on Monday.
CRUELTY TO ANIMALS.
Mr. MARTIN moved the second reading of the
Cruelty to Animals Bill.
Mr. HEATHCOTE opposed the Bill. He thought
that if there were cruelty in bear-baiting, so there was
in hunting, fishing, and shooting. He would be glad
to know what difference there was between bear hunt-
ing and stag-hunting ? If the House were to legislate
against the one, they ought also to put down the other,
or else that would take plaice which never yet had been
the case in England—namely, one law for the rich, and
another for the poor. He would therefore move, that
the Bill be read a second time this day six months.
Mr. C. WILSON supported the Bill, and contended
that these barbarous sports tended greatly to the de.
moralization of the lower classes of societ).

Mr. Secretary PEEL, though ready to do justice to
the motives of his Honourable Friend, the Member for
Galway, must oppose his Bill. His Honourable Friend
seemed to cake for his motto, " nThil humani a me alienum
pato." But why should the Honourable Gentleman
stop at the ill-treatment of bears, and monkies, and
dogs? Was there more cruelty in baiting a bear than
in hunting a stag? There was a difference, it was true.
The bear was lett in possession of all his natural means
of defence: to qualify the stag for hunting, the horns
were in the first place cut off. Then what did his Ho-
nourable Friend say to pigeon-shooting, where one
Gentleman would bet another Gentleman a sum of
money, that be would kill more pigeons in a minute
wiih- a double-barrelled gun? Could anything exceed
the torment of trout-fishing? Why did his Honourable
Friend give relief to bears, and dogs, and monkies, and
refuse it to hares, and foxes, and badgers ? Was
not this instituting a favoured class of suitors ? One
part of the Bill was pure tyranny,if the House could be
persuaded to carry it into effect. The passage to which
he alluded was this: " And be it further enacted, that
if any person in any part of the United Kingdom of
Great Britain and Ireland, shall, after the —, be
concerned or engaged in, or shall promote or encourage,
or anywise promote or encourage, or aid or assist in
' promoting or encouraging, any bear-baiting, dog-fight-
mg, monkey and dog-fighting, or badger and dog-
fighting, or cock-throwing, or cock-fighting, or shall in
any manner wantonly and cruelly beat, abase, or
great any of the abovementioned animals, or any do-

mestita ted animal, it shall be lawful for say person
who shall witness such offence, to apprehend such per-
son so offending, and to convey such offender before
any Justice of the Peace, or other Magistrate within
Whose jurisdiction such offence shall he committed ; or
on complaint on oath of any such offence beihg made
to any such Justice of the Peace or other Magistrate, it
shall be lawful fol. such Justice of the Peach or ocher
Magistrate to issue his summons or warrant, at his
discretion, to bring the party or parties so complained
of before Aim or any other Justice of the Peace, dr
other Magistrate of the county, city, or place, within
which such Justice of the Peace or other Magistrate has
jurisdiction.* But this was not the worst ; there was
another passage empowering Magistt-atesi upon view of
such practices deemed to fall within this Act, to con-
, it and punish without charge or examination:.--•
(44 No, no," front Mr. Marlin). He would read the
words:—" And be it fat ther enacted, that if any Jus-
tice of the Peace, or other Magistrate, shall wave s
such offence, as aforesaid, within his jurisdiction, it
shall be lawful for him, on his view, to convict and
punish the party or parties so offending, in such man-
ner as be might do under this Act, upon informatidit
and proof made before him of such offence." So that
a Magistrate who had slept upon a bed the night be-
rme, filled with feathers plucked from the back of a
living goose—riding home from a fox chase, to dine
upon crimped cod—might take up, commit, or other-
wise punish any person whom he might find engaged
in fighting " a domesticated animal, or otherwise
di-
treating the same." This could never be borne. He
implored his Hon. Friend, in his humane zeal for the
well-being of the beasts that perish, not to be wholly
unmindful of the class of animals to which lie himself
I belonged. Was it to be endured that a Gentleman,
under the cruel necessity which the defects of science
imposed upon him, following up the improvements of
Ibis particular faculty, for the purpose of enlarging the
limits of knowledge, and of preserving the health of
human beings—was it to be endured that such a man,
so engaged in the pursuits of Li. calling, though it
were known that he had,. i.i its fair eserci.e, com-
mitted cruelty 1 ke that impwed to Dr. Magendie,
(which statement was, howeve,, denied), should be
taken up, imprisoned, or fined, at the discretion of a
Magistrate wl o m ght happen to be present ? He ob-
jected to the Bill, because it t tided to create a fa-
voured class of animals. If the principle were good
at all, it ouglit to bee: te .ded to all cases of cruelty.
Let I,is Hon. Friend introduce a Bill to prevent hunt-
ing, shooting, flaring, and other sanguinary sports.
and then bear-baitirg and dog-fighting and cock-fight-
ing might fall within it. At present his measure was
not one of equal justice.
Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH rose to support the
Bill, and to protest against the pleasantry with which
the Honourable Member for Boston (Mr. Heathcote)
moved the amendment. Much praise was doe to the
efforts of the Member for Galway, which had sup-
pressed a deal of the cruelty formerly inflicted on
animals. Parliament had acted wisely in giving moral
instruction to the people. The objects of these mea-
sures, the lower classes of society, would be improved.
He considered cruelty immoral, yet he did not say in
all cases it was subject to legislation. Gaming was a
most dangerous vice, yet all the laws upon the subject
had not checked the vice. He thought there were great
peculiarities in the ferocious practices called sport. He
should vote for the second reading of the Bill. If any
improper power was given to Magistrates, it might be
left out in the Committee. The Bill he was convinced
would correct the immoral feelings of the people. On
the subject of physiologica experiments, he could only
say, if they were necessary, no subject could be more
unfit for public animadversion. The moment appeared
to be approaching, when the students in surgery and
medicine would be compelled to seek information in
foreign countries. A substance called oxalic acid had
been found poisonous. In 1821, a practitioner disco-
vered, by experiment, an antidote. He did, by expe-
riments on animals, discover the means of counteracting
the poison. His Honourable Friend would not say that experi-
ment was wrong. Whilst he supported the Bill, he would not
say scientific experiments ought to be given up. The Honour-
able and Learned Gentleman paid a high encomium on the genius
of Dr. Alagendie; be was introduced to him at Faris by Baron
Humboldt; a man more elegant in manners he never met ;his cba.
Inter for humanity was generally admitted.
Mr. G. LAMB was very well pleased with those en-
actments which prevented persons from maltreating
animals that were entrusted to their care, which bad
the effect of making hackney-coachmen and drovers a
little more humane. That was the point which be
wished to see attended to in that House. But,the moment
they interfered with the sports of the lower orders, then
the observations thrown out by the Right Hon. Secre-
tary relative to the sports of the higher orders, applied
with a force that could not be answered. His Learned
Friend had spoken of the games at which this Bill was
levelled, as not being the sports of this country ; but
he could shew that they had been patronised by the
great and powerful centuries ago. Evelyn, describing
a bull-bait that occurred in the time of Charles IL
stated, that " one of the dogs was thrown so high that
be fell into the lap of a lady of rank in the second gal-
lery. Two dogs were killed. The sports ended with
the ape on horseback ; and 1 retired, wearied with the
filthy scene, which I had not witnessed for many years."
—(Hear, hear). He would now read an account of an
exhibition of the same kind, which took place in 1702,
in the reign of Queen Anne. He found the bill amongst
the papers of th.: Viee-Chamberlain of that day, who
was one of the prime beaux of the Court. The bill,
which was headed with the Queen's Arms, ran thus:
" Anna Regina. At the Bear, in Hockley-in-the-Hole,
near Clerkenwell-green. This is to give notice, to all
Gentlemen, gamesters, and others, that, on the 17th of
April, a bald faced dog of Middlesex, will be matched
against a dog of Cow-cross—(Laughter.)—A guinea
each dog. He that sinews the fullest and finest game,
and comes most clean to hand, wins all: and a great
mad bull will be turned loose in the yard, with fire
works all over him, and two or three cats tied to his
tail—(Shouts of Laughter.)—Also other varieties. A
bull-baiting and a bear-baiting. Beginning at two
o'clock in the afternoon. Regina Vivat."—( Laughter )
—He did not quote these instances in approbation of
such proceedings, but merely to shew that they had
been encouraged as national sports. He conceived they
ought not to legislate on this subject. It was interfer-
ing unnecessarily with that, the cure of which should
be left to that great corrective—education-0/gal.—
For his own part, while there were persons who liked
.o be amused is this way, he would rather see them so
'mused, than not amused at all—(Hear, hear).
Mr. W. SMITH said, if any Hon. Membersdatbted
he effect these cruel exhibitions had on the public mind,
et him look to Spain ; let him look at their bull-fighth
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when he witntaed than ? For his own part, he was'
convinced that it was the demoralising tendency of
such exhibitions which prepared the Spaniards for,
and enabled them to look en an auto daft. Such a pro-
gress in cruelty was beautifully illustrated in the paint-
ings of Hogarth. That inimitable painter represents
in his first scene a person spinning a cockchafer on a
pin, and after leading bins through a series of cruelties,
each exceeding the former in degree, exhibits him at
last killing the woman he had seduced.
Mr. R. MARTIN asked whether the appeal of bis
Right Hon. Friend to stale hunting and hare hunting
was an argument against legislating so far as he had
gone ? He asked his Right Hon. Friend, who had
given such a pathetic description of stag hunting, to
advise the King to abolish stag-hunting. It was the
most cruel of all sports, an 3 he called on his Right
Hon. Friend to advise the Crown to put it down. The
example from his Majesty would produce a good effect.
The argument against him was, that he could not le-
gislate for all cases, but was that any reason why they
should not do all the good they could ? An Hon.
Gentleman said be did not believe there were more than

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two bears, but that was not the Trestion. How many
dogs were there? Dogs were cut limb from limb to
prove whether they were game—(A cry of '0 NO, nor).
Every Alderman of the City of London would be in
favour of the Bill. It was said they were legislating
on the sports of the people. He claimed the Bill in
behalf of the unvitiated part of the people. Petitions
came from all parts of the kingdom in favour of the
Bill. He was ready to give up the faults of the Bill.
By domestic animals he meant cats and dogs. He
thought cats ought to be protected. He claimed
of the house to go into a Committee to correct
the Bil. With respect to Doctor Magendie, he
did net deny that experiments on animals for the
benefit of man might be excused; but Dr. Magendie,
aitei trying the same experiments over And over again,
came to London to make a dramatic exhibition, and
exhibit himself as a Ftar. He would not say it was a
greyhound, it might be a spaniel, which he had heard
WAS the animal selected, on account of its nice sense
of smelling. As a specimen of the humanity of the
Doctor, he would mention a fact connected with his
experiments in England. Whilst he was dissecting the
dog, he put his cheek to the dog's mouth and said—
" Resta tranquille !" and then turning to the spectators
said, " 11 serait plus tranquilk s'il entendait Francais 1" I
—(A laugh). The Doctor's defence reminded him of a
circumstance at which he was present. He once went'
to Newgate (hear, hear), to see a man convicted of mur-
der ; he was by when the man protested to the Ordi-
nary Ins innocence of the crime of which he was con-
victed, namely the deliberate murder of his wife. The
Ordinary asked if ten or eleven witnesses did nut prove
the fact ? the man replied, " They perjured themselves,
and I am innocent ; they swore I killed her with a
mallet, whereas it was with a pole-axe I committed the
murder"—(Greet laughter).
Mr. WILMOT-HORTON said, he would not be
guilty of inconsistency by voting against this Bill,
although ,he had supported the Hon. Member's former
Bills for the prevention of unnecessary cruelty. This
Bill was against the national amusements, and to be
supported ought to be touch more extensive. National
amusements should be regulated by public opinion,
although on abstract grounds, perhaps, they might be
considet ed exceptionable. If it were right to argue 1
against amusements in general, let this Bill be extended;
but otherwise he felt himself bound to oppose it—
( Question, question).
Sir F. BURDETT thought that great praise was due
to the Hon. Member who had courage enough to intro..'
duce this measure. He regretted to find it had been
treated with a degree of ludicrousness which was quite
unfair, and that trifling subjects were brought against a
general principle which ought not to have been used in
the shape of argument. From this charge he also
regretted he could not absolve a Right Honour-
able Gentleman opposite, to whom the country had 1
recently been so much indebted for other useful
reforms in our system of legislation—(Hear, hear). The
Common Law of England justified the principle of inter-
fering with regard to anything which had a tendency
to injure the morals of the country, and cruelties to
animals were punishable by common law at the pre-
sent moment. The object of the Bill was merely to
carry that principle into efflct in cases which shocked
the public mind. He did not think that the powers
granted by the Bill were absurd ; on the contrary, he
was of opinion that they would fall into disuse, unless
the Hon. Member fur Galway could appoint a suc-
cessor as industrious and persevering as himself, to
see its enactments brought into operation. For these
reasons the Bill should have his cordial support.
Mr. F. Bervort and Sir T. &Loos supported the Bill; and ft
M. W. Rom and Mr. ROBERTSON opposed it.
The House then divided : the numbers were—
For the amendment, 50 I Against it, Mt.
The Bill was therefore lost.
The second reading of the Dissenters' Marriage Bill was post-
poned to Monday.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
Mouse adjourned at On u'aocr..

SATURDAY, MARCH 12, 1825.
STOCK EXCHANGE, TWELVE O'CLOCK.
Canis opened at 951 for the Account; with scarcely anytidiss
dole'.

CITY, ONE O'CLOCK.

Both the Stock Exchange and
_Foreign Market an very heavy,
114 uric Sales bare been effected. Canals bate been done at
(to I.

lie can state from authority, that Mr. Gemini: never bid for
the Danish Loan at Paris.

FOREIGN FUNDS. 1
In the &Ain Market there is little doing; A Ihares remain
steady, but Greek Scrip is somewhat lower.
Current Prices: New Spanish 19e, Cold dim 241' Billsian
Ne I. Mexican 81, Colombian New 91k, Milan 10k, Austrian
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This forenoon we received the New York and other
American Papers to the 11th rebroary. The result of
the PrUidentisl election was not at that time known ;,