Star.
London, England, 1805-01-29 00:00:00

Altdrid at the tlrne when the trinence of any Con-
vrntion was difputed on the part of Spain. We had
there then but a Charge d'Affaires."
Mr. Nntwithltanding all I have heard
to-night, I muff conclude, Sir, that Mr. Frere, our
Ambatftelor, was by tome means or other in poiref-
Goo of the Eat of the exiilence i.f a Convention. The
Houle will think JO too, if I can lay before it fulEci.
cut evidence. 't he Right Hon. Gentleman thinks,
that what is all .thong meant, may be (orate Conven-
tion with France, where the term Convention is only
mentioned ambistioufly ; but it appears, that fome
enga,;ement, compaft, or areement of neutrality
towards Spain, was entered into on the part of this
country, and that Mr. Frere knew it ; for that Gen-
tleman, in his letter to Mr. Cev:lllty. of the 3oth of
October, I F 04. talking, with reference to armaments
it, the ports of Spain, demands, among other things,
that the thips of war than be put precitlsty in the
nate in which they were at the ecothilion of she Cott-
with Eng!and." Sir, the latter mull
tse trim:nee to a period :antecedent to the depar-
ture of our A.mbalfador from Madrid. As if we
were ne to be left in doubt terpeeting the esillence
of a C:,nvention with Englald, as if inadvertence
bad been impoGsle ; and will any man think that
Mr. Frere could poilibly have not only twice inad
vertently employed, bur tv.ice argued from the fame
term?—l fay, Sir, that with an air of defign to unde-
ceive the world on this very point, Mr.Frere concludes
the letter to Don Cevallos, which I have quoted
above, in there exprefs words :

' Your Fee .11eney complains of my having In my Note demand-
ed the redutlion of the .sine to the Rate in which it was pre-
lions to the war, whila the period pointed out in the Convention
for fisirg the eitabliiiiment to which it was tube reduced, was that
of the Convention Kelt It is true, that this firft period was named
in my inftrudions; but bearing in mind that another has been al-
ready agreed upon, and to 3 well convinced of the good faith of
my Government to believe that the fubßitution could have been
made otherwife than by mutate, 1 have not hefitatcd to reitore
the period of the Convention. too happy, if this tridi•:g change
ran remove any (Adult to the fatisfadlon of my demands.'
Thus much I have thobght it necetrary to ()Ate to the
Houk, to (hew the ground of my mutton." The
motion was agreed to.
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6th. A Copy or Extradt of any Documents or Papers; giv-
ing an account of the Succours granted by Spain to France on the
29th Dauber, 1803, in eonfcquence of the Treaty of St. Ilde.
phonfo."
On the quellinn being pat, the CHANCELLOR
of the EXCHEQUER rote—"" I will not fay, that
we have received no information ac to the fuccours
granted by Spain to France ; but we have no autlien-
tic information from Spain—Spain having always re-
lured to give dillina information refpeaing that Cub-
jea."
7th. Copies of any difpatches 'from the aid of May to the
toth of September, tBO4. fent by Lord Harrowby to Mr. Frere,
tfperially that r, Wive to his leaving Madrid.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
ntiZtved, that all the inilrudions to Mr. Frere, rela-
tive to leaving Madrid were already before the Houle.

Bth. Cupits4 all the Official Notes to and (roil the Spanilb
Minifter at this Court, rclaavc to the points in &lime between
t,:n. country and Spain.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
was not aware of any objedion to this, but the notes
were vtry few in number. _ _

9th. Copie4 of the Letter, (tarn Admiral Cochrane, referred to
in Lord Harrowby's note of the aeth September, sSoo, relative to
the miaow ta at Ferrol.

toth. Copies of the Letters of Admiral Cochrane, of the 3d
and s ids of September, tilos, relative to the French and Spanalk
Circe at Ferrol and Corrunna.
a tth. An account of an the Information that has been obtained
relative to the port of Ferrol, and the armaments there.
ath. An Account of all intelligence from our Confuls at Car
thagena and Cadiz, from any Offierrs of his Majefty's Navy, re-
(peeling the Arniama3ts In thefe Ports and the Arfenals there
t 3th. An Account of all the intelligence received by Sir !idward
Teikw, relative to the harbours of Ferrol and Corunna. and the
Arfenals there. during his command alf there Ports, Awe the

of the with France.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had
tso objeaion to this ; but the information mull be
given in inch a Way as to conceal the channels of in-
formation.

tech, Copies of all letter receivel from Admiral Duckworth.
relative to the coatlud of the Span& Governor at Cuba, relative
to the Cale of Beta Prizes.

s tth. An Attrount of the Supplies and Weld Stores recei►ed
by the Squadron under Sir Edward Parer from the Spare&
Parts

116.. th, An Account of the day on which the Intelligence in
Admiral Cochrane 's Letters of the 3d and tub of September,
1804. had arrived at the Admiralty.

The motions were all agreed to.
Mr. GREY then remarked, that the Papers which
had been ordered, would take up fume time to pre-
pare and print, before they could be preTented to the
.llonfe. As he did not think it likely that they would
be in the potter on of Gentlemen in futhcient time
before Thttrfday, to allow them to derive any bene-
fit from the information they might contain, in the
dithuffion that was fixed for that day, he was fore it
would be a convenience to the Houle to be informed,
on what day it was the intention of the Right Hon.
Gentleman that the ditculfion on the Papers Ihould
take place.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
replied, that it would undoubtedly be impoffible that
the papers then ordered (hould be printed and pre-
rented in time to afford any light on the ditcntfion
then (handing for Thurfday ; and as it was deferable
that every information fhould be communicated to
the Houle previous to that difcuflion, in order to en•
able them to come to an impartial decifinn on the
whole merits of the cafe, he was of opinion, that the
lacilion fixed for that day's difcuffion fhoold be de-
ferred to fume fubfequent open day. The ditcullion
of the Army E(himates was fixed for Monday, for
wi ch day the motion of his Right Hon. Friend (Mr.
W.iidhAm) had been previnufly noticed, though in
th;. in:lance the priority had been waved in further-
ance of the public bufinets. As it was likely that
tome eonverfation at lead might arife on the fubjed
of the Vttimates, he thought it would not be fo con-
vecis-nt to fix this queltion for the following day,
Tuefday, and was therefore of opinion that the ap-
pointment of Wednefday or Thurfday would be
more convenient. He believed Thurfday to be the
more definable day, and on this occafion believed it
.conlil be highly tatisfaaory that the Right Honour-
able Gentleman (Mr. Windham) should (hate nn
what day he propofed to bring forward his motions.
Mr. WINDHAM, in reply fignified his readinefs
to concur in any realhnable delay that might be pro-
duCtive of accommodation for the bullock of the
Public. He had already contented to give prece-
dency to the Confideration of the Army Eftimates,
and as in confequencc of the delay that mutt attend
the produOion of the papers then ordered, it would
at neceffary to poftponc the difcuffion of the Spanlib