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to (care it ;. and timid they hefitate upon fuch
falutary aid faving meafures, he would no longer
form a part pf that Adminiftration ; but the rea-
ions they were not reforted to, was (imply becaufe
they were not neceffary. He would not follow the
Noble Lords in thole pints which were irrelevant
to the fubjeCt in difculfion, nor, particularly, the
Taft Noble Speaker, through the whole condu't of
the late Miniftry. With regard to them, how-
ever, he was aware, that no fet of men could more
fully maintain the honour and preferve the happi-
nefs of the country in a greater degree than they
did • and he fupported them through the whole
of their Adminiftration with all his heart and foul.
He would put it to the heart and feelings of the
Noble Earl who took the lead in this debate, if the
tendency of his arguments did not amount to this,
that they ought to refufe their affent to the Bill of
Supply before them ' • not becaufe the Eftablifh-
ments to be provided for by it were unneceirary or
erceflive—not becaufe the fituation of the country
did not obvioufly require them—but becaufe thole,
in whole hands the application was intrufted, could
not make a wife tile of them ? He had had the
honour of fighting fide by fide with that groat Mi-
nifter fo often alluded to in recent debates, and he

would ailc, would that great perfon refufe to anent
to fuch a Bill as the prefent, at a moment when
the circumstances of France rendered it neceffary
that the country should be, not certainly with a
drawn fword, but in a !late of readinefs to recur
vigoroufly to defenfive meafures, should the con•
duet of the fanner render it necefrary ? Such
would be the conduct of that great man.—And
with refpeti to the infinuations of charges againft
his Majefty's prcfent Minifters, the language of
the perfon he alluded to on former occasions was
emphatically, that thofe who urged Addreffes for
the removal of Miniflers, should boldly (lac the
fpecific caufes upon which the proceeding fhoula
be founded. Were contrary principles acted upon,
the circulation, the vital blood of the country would

be flopped. If Minitters were to be removed, let
it be on diftinet and exprefs grounds : and here
his Lordtbip having occafion to recur to the con-
duet and principles of the great Minifter before al-
luded to, fpoke of his character in (trains of the
warmeß eulogium, as one whom the bounty of
PROVIDENCE, with reference to his tranfcendant ta-
lents and virtue, caufed not his equal to be born
in the courfe of centuries. He knew that great
and virtuous man. to be grofsly abufed and libel-
led, while the objeet of his meafures was alone the
prefervation of genuine freedom—to that end, he
well knew, the thoughts of that perfon were anxi-
oullv direCted. Never yet did any man more rich-
ly deferve the applaufe of the virtuous and the
good!. Recurring then to the fubjeet in difcuffion,
the Noble and Learned Lord obferved, that in

arguing the queftion, thofe in eppofition uniformly
occupied the', vantage ground :" they had refer
red to the confideratton of alliances, and their of
feas, without Teeming to confider how far that
• Adminiftration of .which thofe Noble Lords fo
worthily formed a part was implicated in thofe
meafures. How many were figned by the late
Noble Secretary of State, and were neceffarily dif
folved even during his continuance in office ? The
prefent Minifters had been repeatedly cenfured for
reducing the forces of the country, but it was not
confidered that fuch reduaion was neceffary, and
often one of the moa deferable effeas of peace.—
It was unnecelTary now to enter into a vindication
of that important meafure ; he would only fer-
vently pray to Goa that it may not, as the Noble
Lords had augured, (his hopes and conviaions
were otherwife) turn out prejudicial to the coun-
try ; but, at any rate, the prefent vote was not to
be decided by that meafure. With refpea to the
Noble Earl's firU objection, as to the manner in
which the prefent (apply was propofed, it was then
unnecenry for him to anfwer it. In regard to his
fecond point, the details of the efiabliffiments, it
was tome fatisfaaion to him, that the Noble Earl.
did not objea to them on the (core of extent. He
did not profefs himfelf to be adequately converfant
in thole fubjeas—but he could not refrain from
obferving again, that the Noble Lords took the
" vantage ground," in not confidering thefe Eita-
blifhments, with a reference to the naval and mili-
tary faculties of France, and in this point of view
he doubted not, they would be found well appor-
tioned and commenfurate to the circumftances and
1 neceffities of this country : and in arguing thefe
points his Lordihip difplayed much ability and in.
formation ; and concluded with a refervation, that
it could not fairly be faid, that the day may not
arrive in which thefe forces may be confiftently
and fafely reduced. But were the queftion to be
decided on the grounds urged by the. Noble Earl,
it were impoffible the funds and forces of the coml.
try could be turned to a wife or falutary ufe. If
fuch were the Noble Earl's real fentiments, he
would put it to his juflice whether his motion
fhould be not direCted againft the bill of Supply,
but for the removal of Minifters ? Upon fuch
principles he had always acted with the great man
before alluded to, with the noble Lords them.
felves, and with the anceftor of a Noble Lord on
the Bench with them. With refpea to the peace,
and the important circumftances connefted with
it, he felt like an Englithman all over ; there were
many points conne&ed with that, but more efpe-
cially with the prefent fubjea, which he fhould
think himfelf very unworthy of the fituation be
had the honour to hold, if he were weak enough to
enter into a difeuffion of them at prefent. He
(poke his rentiments' on this head, with the feelings
of a man who humbly hoped that thofe who went
before fhould not have to reproach them with fuch
a derelittion of duty—they would alt upon the
fame great and leading principles, and they would
ftrive to preferve the peace, and-endeavour to fare
'the country.
Earl &gam (poke fhortly in explanation, and
obferved that the Noble Lord had mifappre,hended
the objea of his argument when he fuppofedit was
to fufpend the provers of the bill until the pre-
fent Adminiftration was removed—if he fhould
have faid any thing to that deft, it was not his in.
tension to have Paid it.
, The Earl of Caw sot ob(erved; that what had
been fo mifconceived was not the oblate Lords
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