Star.
London, England, 1825-05-11 00:00:00

SPORTING INTELbIGIINCE.

YORK SPRINO MEETING, lets.
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ISSllll‘Ttitalt 0.
Sweepstakes of 110 mi. each, for bones, lice. of all ages, 3 yrsja.
4 yn, ost. 51b. 5 yrs. Oat. 6 yrs sod sged.9st 41b. (41b. allowed to
maiden hones at the dote et nanslng ; S and 4 yr. old Mlles
Ismaili lb.)! tones. •
Mr. Whittaker's br. h. Lottery, 5 yrs
Lord Kelburoe's br. c. &snood. 4 yrs
Lord Eitzwilliaties br. e: Florianarl, 4 yrs
W. Loaders br. e. Borystheues, 4 yrs
Lord Seatberisogh's clue. Yeesig Caw% 4 yrs .
A good rat:l4W was sheerly ; I.l~n the
_favollTise. rods W
B. Balkh Ososood, by IL .ltdivards ; Merismri, by .W. CEA;
Derrelissos. by T. Niebehoo ; and Lord Seorberoogles, by
O. Noise.
The Filly Sapßog Stakes .0,50 gs. each h. R. !sr 3-yr old Mies
Slb. last nine andlialf.
Watt's b. by Wakes .
Lord Pitswillloos's tr. Beatrice . .
Woo wry:
Swiegotakei of 10 soot:ekes each, for 3 pl old colts, ll* sib.
Mies M. last mile and three quarters.
Sir J. B,as's hr. e. Triscolo
' Puke et Lords's b. e• bLZltialdster
Mr. W. L. Foes Le.
Lord Searberaagles eh. e. by Interpreter
Mr. Butter's b. n. SpinaSray, . .$
The was a bawl/fel race, and woo by Trinculo, after a tremeo.
does &thing struggle,by wily half a seek. Clift rode the winner;
S. Sositb,tbo Whiskers. T. Nichols/10. Liuguist ; G. Masao, Lord
Soashoessigh's ; and Jackson. Spinals/ay.
Ilbseigdaglit. Lew Stakes 00 son. each, for 3 yrs old colts, let.
• . - 136. Allies, lit. Last wile and three tartan.
Mr. *oft b. c• Memos. • • . I
Lord Nolburoe's eh. c. Daredevil. • • .1 2
• Doke of Leeds's b. e... Croweatriser, . . .
Mr. F. lailley'sga e. by taterpreter . . 4
Two to ow us iliewooo. who made all the running and clo..
Mir ; rode byW.Seott ; Daredevil, by /*Edwards; Croweateher,
by li. Solids; sod the last by 'Nehoo.
Match, 1000 sov. each h. R. Thiee miles.
Mt. R./all's tu d Akio, 1 yrs, Est. 131 b. . . I
Lord Usossokg's bi. Mgpseintor. Gym est. 41b. . . •
A wry raw. but woo elererly.—R. Johnsen rods the 9110
Der, and T:
A (ham Miga.-11dhsgillfisep fought Bee Warwick on ?MAW
ea the Closeout Lhies;for az puree of 251. colleted among tYr
011 loan of the (Amiss& After a hard fight of 35 initiates SW,
was declared the victor.
CORN RECHANdII. MARK.LANE, MAT 11.
Our supplies slow Phtatif have come rubes owe Neely to baud,
hawitur had 4,300 qrs. of Wheat. 1,700 qrs. of Baxley. 5.450 qra of
' pats, and 11.4100 Sachs et Mohr 4 and is ideas; trade is estreasely
doll. but bloods 's prices pre danaoded fair ftnesampks. Marley is
also Tort heavy sale, but ow lower. Oats arc a tat lower; but lo
Peas and Deans there ishe alteration. '

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The LeanOiencathewebservedvat the elose:of shegeoceedier
of the day. that in so impertaut a cause as dds, esti fermi mem-
medation of the -Gentlemen of the Bar, from Santkibeelikothed
in it at their Lordships' Bar. who., presence/a sh iimmetry at the
commencement of the Session is Scotland. the.Hoese was as tions
to make such arraelesnest as meld be made t, and therefore the
Home would hew what fanbet Mr. Forsyth had to offer in con-
chides. to.tnetiow, from two gainless o'clock. • . .
• Mr. hi/m.4mm and others, fee the Cosentoos,broogit op sore-
-1.1 Print,: Inik, width were read. a lint time. . . • : •
A Gendentsn from the Commedialenswef• lithistho Flstbesr,
pies sated several Rotates relative to the•flupte Pier, *am to
• she order. of the House.—Leid es* teldia- _ .
The CORD CHANCELLOR presented a Peddis Abase the
Mayor dal Burgesses of Tomas, praying for a revisks of die Corn
la‘t,..-Laid on the table. • ~ .
Lord SUFFIELD pretested a Pititimi front the. Owsers and
Occupiers of Land of levers! Hundreds in the Cooney of Norfolk,
against any alteration in the Corn Laws. He thought the Petition
emitted to the attendee of their Lordships, but; hoped that before
the dine when the question should be tak inp by Parnassian, the
landowners would have got rid of their gib lass alarms.--Laid
on the table.
• Vincent MELVILLE presented a Petident from the Clergy of
Scotland, assembled at Perth, arias any alteration in the Corn
Laws.—Laid on the table. •
Levi GROSVENOR held a fresh proof of the asepses In which
taieilizilirt Pubik was thisrepeeseseed es the sableet of
ion. We bad hoes left misled by the a-
ssume gives some dart** of the way in which in Ae‘Cathenc
Adidas Wad bin got up at the ble,elftstiond.. Others. were
Glinlisly got up, and whin was made there was scarcely
anew, to father them. A' Petition hattliatly bees- tomseased
Gum Manchester whist the Qukones, whica was described as ea-
vermin the sentiments of that great city. Noss to held a winter
Petition. in favour of granting the Catholic Claims, front a greet
majority of inhabitants of that same city, who had signed it not-
withstanding ail the pains whisk had been taken to procure the
fanner. That a large majority of the Inhabitants of that place
should have subscribed such a Petition was the more important, as
if these was a town in the Empire most sincerely attached to the
Church, it was Manchester. Yet it bad now decided in
flittlirthe Catholics, and prayed that the restrictions under which
dialling' 110 late laboured should be removed is unnecessary.
'Du LORD CHANCELLOR should have thought that atter
ell ifsit had the other day, and the Statements which he had .
mode the Antimid Petidee; the-Noble Earl would not
have
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Introdaced the abject without first mentioning it to him
(the Lord Chastener). He coda assure the Noble Lord that that
had been sent without any previous nodesto tbe person by
whoa it had bees presented, and that he himself had taken no
steps -as be had formerly declared, in procuring or getting up Peti-
tions. And yet, when be should come to the proper stage for di.-
cadet the isestios, he eised be glad to have an opportunity to
thew that arm had so many Petitions been presented against any
measure as *me were at the preeset *meat against Catholic
Emssidpedoo....The Petition laving bees bid on the table.
lbe Lona CHANCELLOR peesented IPetitissis ream emu
Pedshea is the Cotesey of York, and from that of Ift. John *
is the City of Westminster, agilast the Catholic Claims.
•UM eh die table.
• ROW redden were then FlowlV!if the Bishop *of Lb 0...•
doesk:.llltos MOW Parishes in the iftsim of . laeceede i apd by
the Aid of Snereumese, holt the Protesust Diwenterief
street Chapel, Chapel. Lissain's les.lieMs; from thole Of Gestalts's; All &-
Palish in the Minty of Wpm, mod of Providadth Chapel (OW
degdua'.), he Gars Ins-liae, and elee kept varloas Parishes ink
•Conaties of'Detslt, less, and Ilentiegdose-4aid en the tea*
Lord SUFFlELDresented a Peados free aktbalni. Wows
of the Ereakehle Leas Bill,--140/Can theehla• i-... _-
*: Lord micas' presented a PON'S to Iliaerm'affelillinl.4o.
mist, and soder, that led *old 111.114, the *toner rafts ef
LasEill es Friday or Had nest, as kailehlbe
mast cosesiest.
- After a few words from the Earl of Lammers,- the *Me
LAN notice was laid ter Wednesday week, if so other buboes
Intertheed, and for the easing Thursday. If it ad.—Adjoins&
• . HOUSE OF COMMONS.
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The Gannet was crowded at a very esti, boar in eapetatien
of the Debate es the Ronne Catholic Relief MR The crowd was
se grew that it broke dews the dose which opens into the Gilkey
end rushed in mach ecstasies hue des seats. The usual courtesy
thews to the Reporters (by the Speaker's orders) was not dis.
playell, and they wore* breed to struggle to their places with the
loftiest dilikulty, _ _ -

At four ecleek the. Steam took the Chair.
from. .
Mr. GLADSTONE preseated a Pedtioa Edinburgh a.
fains' the Edtabergis and Leith Water Works MIL
Mr. SYKES pr. esnald a Petition front the Ship Owners of Htdl
in favour of the Hull Decks SW.
Mr. M ONCE proonsted a Pedalos from Benjamin Mk, praying
for an *trades is the Poor Rates.—Ordered to lie as the sable.
Mr. MONTEITH Promoted a Padden from Glaugliw &phut
the Clyde Navigatio• BlL—Refirred to the Committed.
Mr. GOR DON presented a Pedalo againstehe ibises and Berko
Canal EM, from the Thames Navigatiso Company and othersr—
Selerred to the Committee.
Mr. HURST prometed a Petidoe from the Doke of NorkPik
against the Halifax Rood Ifilk
Mr. BURRELL Petitiod against the Brighton
prevenient 11111.-- so the Osesmitsee.
Mr. A. CAMPBELL refocused a Petidost spinet the Clyde
Navigadee_ MO from Dumbarton, and two similar IPesitions from
Sir Michael Steam all the tetrad Oremock.—Referred to the
CSC
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Mr. RTWRIGHT pmeensed a Pod*on from litaliartaa.
Casty of Nadminpten, against the Revue Catholic Claints.—.
Ordered to be
re IL KNA47ll3ULLpeessoted a Petitioa from Maidesese,
pay for a revisal of the Elvetkre Fraud*, et that tows.—
Ordered to be
Sir J. OWltra.p7kesented a Petition from Peashosbe, egoist
way further coscesdos to the Rome Cathellea.—Ordtrod is be
M
issed.
bk. It CLINTON pretested a Peados from St. Peter's, West.
minstor, against the Catholic (,Liras.—Ordered to be Fisted.
kiUME postponed his spokes until Temisy, the Beth.
CATHOLIC CLAIM&
Mr. DOHERTY. is the abeam, of the Right Hon. thy Secre-
tary of State for Foreign Alike, mooted a husks frost the
Protostants of the Gamy of Galway, is favour of the Catholic
Claims. It was stem numerensly and respectably .
Mr. V. FITZGERALD said. the Pythias was signed by almost
every Nobleman and Gendonan of that County, which was the
most Catholic Loaof Ireland.
Mr. DOBIINICK BROWNE bare testimony to Ilse remote-
bility of the redden, sad said it was a fair sample of this MOM/
of the Protestant Gram of Wald.
Mr. DOHERTY moved the Petition should be primp& At It
was probably, the last Foldout which would be promoted on this
xobiect, he would state the eamhse.nr Pam's* rnms Ws"
speedo. the Catholic Odom. Oalli aloe. had hate presented
whim thew, and eighties is their It lees impetus% that
I the Presestrass of lrelend should be ht leri the Cathelle
Raid should paso—(Hser).
I Ur. S. RICE said, that the public five We every daybesetaing
' mere smog in Ireland kr firmer el' the-Wolin. It the Relief
BM were lost, it meat. thereby, he lam NM. trisslieskiss sr
pima feeling ; but he loped*. would alsimesig pm e.
Mr. BUTTER WORTll.Mdastalned that soar of '
tont Padden, bad been astound thrash menaces.
411. V. FITZGERALD, as an Irish Gestkman,

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stsoost latitude the statement of the Hon. Member. No menace
had been used to get Petitions from the Protestants. If it had
been necessary! the Protestants would hare loadatthe table with
Petitions.
Lord A LTHORP said, if the Hon. Member for cower (Mr.
Butterworth) had any authority for his statement, he ought to
lay it before tbc Committee up stairs—(Cheers).-4-aOut if the Pro-
testants had signed ;heir Petitions tbrnugb menpeesi-let *PT kad
given their evidence Italy, and that evidence was consistent 'WM-
those Petitions.
Mr. SYKES said the authority ought to be produced, and, if it
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were a letter, it ought to be read.
111r.ROIllikTSON contended that a large proportion of the Irish
population ought not to be disfranchised, in order to carry the Ca-
tholic Belief Hill.
Sir J. N IMPORT bore testimony to the growing feeling
amongst the Prottetattte of Ireland in favour of Emancipation.
The evidence taken before the Committee was worth more than any
ammytosou 'tiler.
%Ir. BUTTERWORTH said he had made extensive enquiries
is Ireland, and had *written circular letters to all classes of people,
atuitgadVeceived such information.
IIIe.DOH ERTY said he alto received letters from Ireland, from
"(rotas of high rank, eminent authority, and professional distinction,
expressing their delight at the prospect of the Bill being carried.
These letters were unsolicited, and ought to have as much weight
as any onsnamed correspondence.

Mr. NI. h I I Zts I. 1) said the assertions of the lion. Mem.
/her foe Dover were *libel on the Protestants of Ireland. That
Hoo. Member's information was gathered by solicitation. If any
shops were opened to receive anonymous caluMnies, they would
always flock in. Ile hoped suck dark and Insidious misrepresenta-
tions might be disregarded by the House.
The was then ordered to be printed.
Sir JOll N N k W PtoRT presented two Petitions from Greenock
against tli:. Clyde Navigation Bill.--Ileferred to the Committee.
• Mr. S. woaTLEY presented a Petition front Leeds, in fenenr
of the County Courts Bilb—Ordered to lie ova the table,. . . .
• Lord NUGENT -presented a Petition in favour of the Roman
.Catholic Relief Ilill from Leighton Buszatd, signed by tb4
Churchwardens and principal Inhabitants of the town.—Ordered
to be printed.
ItICE presumed a Petition from Merchants of Belfast,'
complaining oldie Dock Dues of Liverpool.—Ordered to lie priatteis
-Ake a Petition from Limerick. respecting the Laws aLout deo:
serted children in Ireland.—Ordered to lie on the table.
Sir R. WILSON presented a Petition • from the Sawyers at
Sontkwark, praying that the Consbination Laws might not be. .re-

w6-4.i. to lie on the table.
tdr. Alderman WOOD presented a Petition from the ludise
Shoemakers of London, praying that the Combination Lawsatn
not be re-esutedoind cvanplaining that they seem *Werp
Ordered to be referred to the Conunktee.
The Dublin and London Road NU was read a snood time, and
:moved to be coentukted. .
General GASCOY NE asked whether any arrangements were
. about to be made to facilitate the Mails between ifdinhttralt and
London?
Mr. HERMES said, that some experimental alterations were
now in operation, and she subject was under the consideration of
the Treasury. Be hoped that a whole day would be saved.

soMAW CATHOLIC RELIES SILL.
Ur. Secretary PEEL presented Petitions against this Bill, front
Norwich, The!wall, Olney, the Dissenting Congregation in Beres.
ford-street, Walworth, St. Ante's,' Westminster, Edmonton,
Holcombe (Devon), Bitstall (Yorkshire), the Dissenters of Lisle-
street, Leicester-square, a Parish in Renfrew, and a Petition signed
by 28,000 inhabitants of Manchester.
Air. T. PHILLIPS said, that the last Petiden was signed by
persons who did not dare to can a pleb& meeting. The parch-
ments were exhibited ip the streets, mid retry Mike was muted
to to obtain signatures. Even boys bad been eajeled Into ageing
it. The Magistrates of Manchester were all of one party in po-
litics, and were not remarkable for their liberality, and had at.
tempted to establish Orange Societies in Lancashire. Appliesdese
were made to the various Dissenters, but the illethodists.wese the
only sett who signed it. It might fairly be called " a hole and
corner" Petition. A public meeting was afterwards bad, and
another Petition was gat up, which would be presented by a Noble
Friend, containing 8,600 names, and at least 1,000 more were left
bebiud, on loose sheets. In a day or two wort. at least 15,000
names could have been procured. The feeling of the respectable
part of the population was in favour of the Catholic Claims..
Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that he bad refrained from making
any remarks on former occasions, when he hapresented•Petitions,
except to say that they bad not originated with hiss. Hooters,
however, now instructed to deny the allelletieht of the Hhhtsheehle
Member ( Mr. Phillips'). it did not pro/errata be the. Petiden_
Manchester, but. only of " the undersigned inhabkarts of
cheater." True, it bad not preeetdid hod epubilesneedoge:midi
the reason was, hat some of the Comodtteie having
liorougbreeve, that Officer advised them not to ZIT=
meeting, but to send about the Petition privately. Of course deep
were not to blame, and ought not to be taunted with that atoms
stance. The Honourable Member said, that the adeleizof bop
were attached to the Petition. That tensility had been the Lief,
but the sheets on which their names were inscribed, bad been kept
back ; and be was imitated to say, that some indliridnala had pros
cured boys to sign it, in order to injure the authotitp of the Pee
titian, and this they were ready to peeve. Under all the eirans•
stances, it was still the Pedtion of a large amber of liesuini
residing in Manchester.
Sr T. LETHBRIDGE wan ><W diet tbsi slower was given by
the Right Honourable Gentleman. one wuaid confirm ail the
statements. The Petition was no maim Madd est. but of WOO
inhabitants of Manchester, and he bop** might be received with
the respect it deserved.
• Mr. B. WILMA HAM said, thatlhie Hentoo table Friend (Mre
Phillips) was rather too fond of attadlies the Magistrates of Sao:
cheater, still there were nearly 28,000 permits signing the Perkiest
besides the Magistrates.
Mr. Pint.t.tra and Mr. Secretary Plum mutually explained. .
Lord A PS LEY said, that the Petition from a public meeting wee
entitled to more respect than .from any nesaber of private perms&
Lord STA N LEY said, it was Dot the custom of the Masted
trates of Manchester to mix themselves up with politics,
regretted that they bed done so in the present 'mance. Ile Nair
understood that it was anything else than the. Petition of the
deedgueilibikemeir. Yet were it not for the public meeting subs
seisms* beld,ltiumbl have beer passed oilier the Petition atlas
town The Nab. briber. teatimmly 10 the SruTtiot feeling
Manchester in Weer oldie Catholic Claims.
All tbe Petitions were ordered to be printed.
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alnd cad that if one of then No P"Gentlemen ehalkers yen v
turd to appear there would reed out of the place. He
should cordially vote ( thirdet the Mill.
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Sir ft- 'PIMPS M - "-by Ob efving, that 'a
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change in tbeipirir :if t : 'arch-
'of Rome; had bee':
contended fo'fbe these o suppofut this measure,:
but th it he Aftild ifie -nothing 11:Ilse eel...fence given
hefosothe. i.. - • - vihich.,warranted the belief that
any sue.' ca g •.• .. --He believed that
spirit to be unchanged and unchangeable. The ChuAls'
of-Roriatlisabseitzheisersecutor and slava! of all the
iv eAt masters of the- human mind, and continued to
this day _her spsteut of proscriptrowagainst everything
calculated to extend the progress. of: knowledge and
reason.. He held in his hand re 14i.0f the books now
proscribed in the south of Europe where the Catholic
religion still retained its influence. The works of Bacon,
which were proscribed in the year 1669, remained so
still. This was fifty years after their publication, so
that •it must be supposed their existence had not been
kenwo for that, period. The Honourable Member then
enumerated 'among the,works proscribed in Catholic
States—Locke on the Human Understanding, Milton's
Parsdise Lost; 'Copernicus_ (alluding to tie revival of
the sentence of Galileo), the Newtonian Philosophy,
the Jurists, Grotius and Puffendorff, Fenelon, Pascal,
and. others. Could it then be said that the spirit of the
Church of Rome had changed. when she continued the
persetenion of every great master of the human mind,
and when an excellent library might be formed from
the) tiooki which she proscribed—(Hear, heat ). He
thought it was clear, then, that upon whatever ground
this Bill 'Might be supported, it could not stand upon
th rt'of a change of spirit in the RoMan Catholic-Church.
The late Pope had been called the most Protestant
Pope that ever sat in the chair, and he had always pro-
fessed to be grateful to the English for the restoration
of.. the works of art, and for their other services in
wresting the Continent from the grasp of its Tyrant.
Yet, when he was applied to by the English residents in
'Rorie for leave to perfirm the Protestant worship in a
'chapel of their own, he could not stem the torrent of in-
tolerance with all his power, but was obliged to refuse
them. The English Protestants were allowed to perform
worship in one of their own drawing-rooms; but they
were not recognised, there was no toleration, they were
only allowel to do so by connivance. When the same
Pope was a prisoner in the heart of France, in the hands
of the then Ruler of that Empire, whose character was.
sufficiently well known, the Emperor wished to obtain
his assent to certain* regulatiOns of Government, and
amongst others, demanded toleration for all religion'.
The answer was this :--"He demands" that all worships
shall be equal—We reject it as contrary to the Canons,
as contrary to the Councils, contrary to the Catholic
Religion, contrary to the welfare of States, and-the
tranquillity and happiness of the human race." -In re-
ply to another request for uniting the various worships,
it was said—" As well may we attempt to unite Cattier
with &hal." All this proved that the spirit of, the
Catholic Church was still the same wherever it. was at
liberty ; and if they unchained it here, it wduld be to
poll down the sacred temple of the Constitution and to
bury themselves beneath its ruins—(Hear). In new
Governments and States where this religion obtained
the ascendancy, nothing of its old . spirit of into,
lerance was abated. In the Cortes of Spain its eit-
elusive power was recognised. Every Deputy was
compelled to swear to maintain the Holy Catholic
Apostolic and ,Roman Religion, and to prOhibit every
ether. The. same .forms ...were observed in the ne ,
State of Mexico. The Honourable Member then rea
passages from the speeches and writings of Doctor
Deyle and Mr.-O'Connell, contrasting them with their
'evidence before the Committee of. the House, and con%
waded that the inconsistincyeatietly destroyed the valevi
Of.the latter. He believed that the obtaining of the Cathol
lie Chalets was not the real object in the hefts of those bil
whom such claims were put-forward. In a former invest
tigation upon the subject, a Dr. biNevin was asked—i
"Do you think the people of Ireland care this pen, or this
drop of ink within it, for the Catholic Claims 7' His an-
swer
was a No." Another witness gave similar evidence
upon the point. Oliver Band being examined, said that
the United Irishmen were associated for the sake of ob.
raining Reform, and not Catholic Emancipation. Upon
being asked" Did the people care for Reform 7' He
replied a No; but those who thought for them did."—
So' those who now thought for the people came forward
to attain their own objects, and to do it would not hesi-
tate to raise a storm which they afterwards might be
unable to,gnide. If the measure were one of justice he
should be ashamed to refuse it upon any ground of ex-
pediency. . If it could be shewn whim that the power
sought by the Catholics was an abstract right, such as
all the subjects of the realm were entitled to under par..
ocular statutes, then be neverwould oppose it from any
apprehension of the -consequences of concession* Pro-
tection was the right of all, but power the right of no
man. He agreed with his-Honouratee Friend the Mem-
ber for Cork Castle, that the Constitution was a System
of exclusions and securities. . And this exclusion ap-
peared to him to be the myaiairdWlNt.the protection of she esta-
blished Protestant hasticutionowt Menhir,. .He saw sothlog to
change the opinions which be hadvaluetained In private for the last
twenty years, and he should accoolosly vote against the third
reading of the DM - 1.,s .. :,+a "" - i'.: •. si,

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Mr. HORACE TWISS said, that, a exc ustokfrom
Parliament was not of the spirit of the COnstitntion, no ,
exclthion of less moment could be regarded as such. By:,
the Common Law of Englanditall natural=honi subjects
were entitled to all the privileges oC.lhe :Constitution.
That principle bad been, from:tlie;,ratfesitiof iyOsease,
snspended.by the Test Act in usle& 4041•91-Aarlei;IL
But as she necessity had . long %ceased, the law 'should
revert to its former universality. All. penaltieS ;bat
accompanied that restriction onit orairal right of the
snbject.. had long been swept: awaY-rind the. reitrictiosi
itself, as a necessary minsequenessi.onsbt to -share the
:same fate. The reasons for the Seslnesion: is the time
of Charles 11. had tong ceased' to exist; tire, reason
for their continuance at the Revolution, 'Was. to 'l4ore
the recent and unsettled sovereignty, of ,the Pri*o
and Princess of Orange: ,The makers of the: Statute
'of Charles set forth that the laws against= Popery lied
la-led of their desired 'Alreeti, from Poe& recu,letitti
having access to Court, and liberty, to sts airrititehs
Parliament; and for the sake of.easuiing the I.desire4,
effe.t-e,' they were excluded frons-Parliamens as*lll-as
the Court. But the laws against Popert‘mbic.h the
Test Law was thus iotroducedtolnvigorate, vir4e.;#oe4
-inure nor less than the body of lepealed penis. awj
penalties, the lasteensains of -which were swept veil
by the 31st Geo. 111. so that whatitheorighial pre tab
tits restriction hasps its,Rlacein the Statute Book
e,ting forth as its rsatiogi this repialed code of laws,, t
birth eight of .our Catholic • fellow-subjects wets •he
horn them now on." falit-preterki. Tne mistake on !hit
iubJect arose from Ortfoundifig,'perniatent
and' those of tempo, areeipedience... The quesiiint west

riot, whether the restrict
&_1,114 ilnii*er they
testlitftivho

by. rascelisity at the ti
scibld lcodtinue to
'-ttie 6f things. W 4
setter of the law
at ease to the spirit
die reasoning of those
none of the enactment
tattiest against the Catholics, ought to
pealed. During a period of insurrection in Ireland,
the privileges of the Constitution had been impended,
but what would. a British Parliament have said-bad the
restrictions imposed daring a period of insubordination
been continued in a season of tranquillity ?—(Hear,
hear, /seat). *Yet precisely such was the reasoning in
the present case. When the fact was pointed out, of the
Baron'eq, by whose Lords Magna Charta was acquired
from King John, the only four now extant as Baronipi
are in the tenure of Catholic Peers ; that fact, he appro.
hended, was appealed .to by the Noble Member for
Aylesbury, less in the way of strict argument, than as
matter of feeling. But it did become a question au-
gument, and of very serious argument too, what im-
pression of the Constitution you were producing upon
your people, if you were thus, to tell one vast body of
them, that in their entire case, the Constitution had for
ever repealed that great law of nature, and of all civi-
lised society, which had made the merits of the parent
a transmissible inheritance to his children—if yott were
thus to tell them, th it while the State expected the ser-
vices of all het subjects, her Constitution had ant off one
of the strongest of all human inducements to serve her.
What zeal do you think would have been felt for
your liberties by those Howards, and Talbots, and
Arundefs, and Cliffords, who won not only your origi-
nal Charter under John, but its repeated confirmations
.and enlargements in subsequent reigns, wh.le a Catho-
lic Nobleman was yet under no incapacity to labour in
the cause of oar common country ?—With what heart
would they have risked, as they did, their land and their
lives, to lay the first grounaworks of that. Constitution,
beneath whose shelter it is your pride to dwell, if they
had dreamed that a time was to come, when their pos-
terity, and the posterity of Catholics like themselves,
alone of all the Nobility of these kingdoms, mast be
abut out, without an accuser, without eves a surviving
stupicion,'from the threshold of its protection and its
privilege. With respect to any danger to be feared
in Ittlaad on the subject of the forfeited estates, the
greater part of those estates was in the hands'of the
Catholits. ' The Catholics were not more addicted to
persecution than the members of other religions ; and in almost
every age persecution had proceeded rather front pealed dm
religious motives. There never was a period more favourable isr
the proposed comelinew then the present. Ireland was pericadi
tranquil, and the Act for suppressing the Catholic Assachasa. as
gracious measure. in Ireland, had been submitted to withal* a
murmur. He would congratulate the Honourable Baronet, die
author of the Bill, on the judgment be bad shorn, and the success
that was likely to attend the measure: The voice of the people of
England was now heard in favour of the Catholic Calms--(Hear).
The Learned Gentleman's speech was loudly cheered.

Mr. HART DAVIS said, that the Constitution of
this country was essentially Protestant ; the King, too,
was Protestant--but could this be long so, if the King
was to be mtrounded with Catholic Ministers and Offi-
cers of State? The Catholics would not be more satis-
fied after these eonteniens, than they were after the many comes-
AIM already made to them. Be bad no confidence in the prates-
. of the Catholic religion; they would first seek an equality of
priand having obtained theirobject, they wraihasien aim at
an astendascr, In opposing the third yeading ofcris Bill, be
knew thatch* vrasrepresenting the opinions of those_v
~lsa4
him to Parliament.
Mr. C: GRANT.thought that those who opposed,
the Bill did .not argue the question With sufficient in-
ference to the state of Ireland. Some Hon. Gentle-
men, though they opposed the general measure, would
go the length of making some concessions,_ such as
giving to Catholic Barristers a silk sown. He did' not
understand the advantages of a silk gown, but he
thought that such trifling concessions would be no bet-
ter than a mockery of the just claims of the Catholics
of Ireland. He, and the friends of Catholic Enianci
pation, argued on the general constitutional principle;
but the opposers of it contended that there was .a ne-
cessity for an exception in respect to the Catholics.
But has not this exception been acted upon a long
time, and did they, by acting on that exception, succeed
in tranquillising Ireland? 'He contended, that the best
way to tranquillise the people of that country was by
removing the cause of complaint—(Hear, hear).—
He illustrated this position by reference to the argu-
ments. used in that House on the laws relating to smug-
gling, and to illicit distillation, &c. By. reducing. the
duty, the temptation to these evasions was taken away.
So it would be with the Catholics, restore them to their
rights, and yoU stop their complaints. Did Parliament
ever try to remove the causes of, those lawless proceed-
ings among the people of Ireland? The associations
which grew out of the system that was adopted and
continued towards them, were now made use of as objec-
tions against the admission of: the people of that country
toile privileges of subjects. It was said that it would
be incor.sistent and anomalous to admit either Catholic
Ministers or Officers of State about the person of a
.Protestant, K'ng, be admitted,this, but it was better than
the present anomaly. Mitch had been said about recog-
nising by this Bill the spiritual authority of the See of
Rome in these realms, but this was not the first tune,
for it was recognised by the, itattité of Maynooth Col-
lege, which gave tbe Ca i tirOle visitors the power of
prescribing and regulating the discipline oldie College.
An objection was taken tad!, Bill ow the grounds of a
Member's oath, and it tub Oiked hitw any Member
could henceforward ;Wear thatthe Pope had no autho-
rity in this kingdom?. la whatnots did the Members
take the oath now ? Beery Member taking that oath,
swore that he hiasself_tfid-not recognise the Pope's .an-
charity.. Danger wairipinehaided from the wrath of
the :Catholics, from their numbers, and from their
combination ; but•did not all these dangers exist now in
a greater degree? He called•bn those who argued in
that way to prove :that greater danger did not exist in
rejecting this eneasttte than in.passing it. They seemed
tnforget that they were legislating for people of warm
.agections and sensitive heists, who were bound more
;hy acts of kindoess.than by coercion. *The continuance *
al this system toward* the Citholica was the triutipphant
point of attack on England by enlightened men of
'foreign countries. .They, constantly referred to the state
.4a,which Irerand..alialegt by England. 'lt was thins
for the Legislature to rescue England front thit
stain, if not to avoicrthe danger of the Kenn system*,
-it : least .for their mew ,glory—(Hear, hear, hear),
t4cati'at all events,- emancipate Engtatiallrarn the
.ehpkgii which has liiieirpkiest on her. The pr
k tett:Dcri ivere,citatt la support of the 'ne,gn malt,
ataltratillita -,He-ttertaculy could riot approve of tl.#
.e:tels pubQied Multi tliestgostures K.
•

a Prelate so distinguished for his talents ns
le certainly was, could give way to such re-
langnaze as *as contained in those letters.
;ish that to the zeal And vehemence of Bas..
'tabor of those letters adde I the meekness and
•of Fenelon. But he begged the House to
provocation given to the Catholics, by the
thrown out against them, in wri ings and in
bath in riludal 2.14 istir•br ukhc

and through a part' of the pebkißegrs
-The:Catholics were char -d with enter at to oi-
nieens
as teach as any people the world. -He was
not surprised' that mais's feelings; noditir4l'klii Wilke
imputations, sheuld be fonedner ttre urkiifterong
language—Wear, hear). • ItAwier,edaPlidlieilatiliShist
great body Of the Catholics- could-not bethaseetted.AY
this measure, and that the, tweet** heilleage4•Usk#
;but this Bill admitting the Catholic. Ito anaate.igpt,
would hold out a prospect to all, as the degastaveseet
exclusion spread itselt amongst the -whole hair& .503 1h:
totamque Wass per.acitis , cot bs,„
Mens sent molens, et now se corpora "beet., ,1 or,
Having said so much in reply to the argurnmsoo Op-
position to-the Bill. be wished to give tsis own tttstsca9nr
of what be experienced in Ireland. He halt the
time of his taking a seat in that Larose a. enescismtioys
conviction-of the justice of admitting the Catholics to
their rights. This opinior, he was told, was tauten,
in the warmth and enthusiasm of youth ir.ii4lente of
the people and a maturer judgment would totteit- it.
He did,while he was in Ireland, seek all the 'o4*r/fence-
and all the knowledge that he could ; both .these, in-
stead of changing hit-opinion, mightitave mellowed
it—confirmed it. The GovernMents he thought, and
he spoke as an individual, was placed in a delicate situ-
ation with tespect to the Catholics. There was ao me-
dium. no channel of habitual instinctive feeling, com-
municating between. the Government and six millions
of Catholics in Ireland. There was no -Such emigres
feeling, no chain of connection in Ireland, as Oat:
which was in this country. There appeared none of that
instinctive sympathy between the ramifications and the
centre of society which prevails in this country—there
was nothing of that delicate sensibility by which the
connection between six millloOs of the . people and the-
Head of the State might be traced—which
reds is 'each thread sad lives aloes the iirse.

The population of belied was a vast mass moving in
an orbit of its own, autrpreserting only its dark side to
the Government of the cotitftrY: It was not, hosietrer,
to use-the wards Of. Bair ke in inert mass, it was one
covered With living beings,Lid having discontent lodged-
and nourishedin its heart by the law itself—( Hear, hear):.
The Penal Laws at present were only efficient to punish
the Catholics, not to protect the State from danger...-.
(Hear). They tore the people from their natural
leaders and subjected to the influence ofthe Clergy, that
which, if tempered by other feelings, would be whole.
some, but in its exclusive operation was perniciotai.
The system drove the Catholics to take a rude and wild•
justice upon the laws that oppressed them —(Hear).;..,--
How lamentable that a Nation so capable of every:
generous and grateful sentiment should, by legal com-
pulsion, have contrary feelings ingrafted on their
nature. In the 'time of the Henrys and Edwards it
was said that the MA were not & to 'enjoy the
English Constitution, and the assertion had Worked
out its own verification. Restrictions Were imposed
on the comMerse of Ireland, on the .add other
things ; these restrictions bed given way,. and the Only
one remaining was this, which it was become
for the tranquillity ofthat country, to remove. litany
indifcriminate ealuouties were found out against the
principles of the Catholici. fte.foond in Irelard, within
the pale of the Catholic Church, men of as inkeleiriint
opinions as were to be found-in:other religions, but' le
alsofound men or opinions so kind, 'so tolerant. and 'sty
charitable, as would do honour to any class of ClergY-.
men. He could instance among these,the late Archbishop
of Cashel, Dr. Everard, who lived in
,tste ',greatest hits
Many with the Protestant Archbishoi.“'Ttii•Oithille
and Protestant Archbishops lived on tails' 'Ord*:
greatest cordiality and friendship. 'They intirficit
indifferent to their religious dicitictiorie and' leifieetlie
duties, but they united to give 'their flocks:an etaitiple
of true Christianity and toleration. It was something
more than toleration, fOr they lived in a strict intinitcy
in the same town watching their common care's with, a
cordiality and charity which be trusted the passing.of
the present measure would more generally diffuie..
(Hear, sear). It was not necessary for him to
,grifar
back into history for examples of Cadmic litherenceto
a Protestant Government. He took the fir.t instance
that occurred to him ie the time of Henry IV. when Ins'
Catholic subjects rose in arabf for the proteciion his
throne against the Duke of Guise, who was hintself-s4
Roman Catholic. The conduct of the Catholics salsifies;
occasion *rowed that they were net destitute ofrthatt.
chivalrous feeling and devotion to the throne'
*ems to be se much questioned in this.' agtie
historian who comments on this fact says that the
Catholics deemed it a duty to place King Henry oti.the
e, though a Protestant, because they believed him
to be the person destined by'Peolettince to hold
The Honourable Gendenvsn. after`stifi'4eneriffilb'ser-
rations on the illibetal•notioni held OSysopwripartionlar
tenets of Roman Catholics, .proceedesi to seatri lung
extract from the works of Thuanus, and conCludid by
observing that die Clinrigii of bi itr7, sna
..peysee.ptims
lavished so itinerant against that petsbiliinf iresitv"on-
founded to a great meat. He. was satisfied, if the Ca-
tholic be platel under good laws, and' in an .equal
state of society,' Itt) individual of ally, other' teligtoes
persuasion could exceed him •th eriery'serial
rind he was convinced
.abeire; all tniugi that It was
the duty of his. ruler not to .surroirod
hiw whit ,dis-
abilities and restraintsibut to phiee Mtn on espial terms
of civil and relig'ons freedom, witheverrotheroftimber •
of the State. as would, not detain the
,House further'
to guard himself .frogs, the . probability of 4re.ins...
potation, that he, while liberal (*.the emboli% int
ia-
dilEvent to his own religion. The distinetien-war
him well definedo, and the value of hisrOtttilcteed itf sr
firmly appreciated ; and, if the time and' nor occasion,
served, •he could convince arty Hoomutobla.likather
'how fully his mind was impressed apes the -sobject
but the result produced by the fall considetatietwof his,
;Man faith, was, hit it was his duty to' itiotbrifft pr
that of others. The man who fat most ottrijiigit' the,
advantage of his own worship, should be most ready
to open the door of. Cbriitian charity and berievo)ence.,
On the subject or'catlitilic Emancipation hr was- noire
confident than ever. He felt sanguine that the measure-
mast succeed. Circornstances might delay it fkir one-
or yeah, but itirinal accompthhoneat was-aa hint
a cenaipty. 'ilia progresi• •the human mind-00
moral improieruent—orthristian charity,
fail to sem* ibr* . the 01014:15;

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i. 4• t All the Petitions Were ortserms w ... r.......—
Lord STA N L*,Y presented a Redtioo from blanches
by 8,600 names in favour of the Catholic Claims.
...,
vi. hiltnt.tThe. PP:miltitiontswindas oGerdererredlitoGbeAscprieltrited.sa mad. a in
' . ?
, ..
.i
. r
i t Sir F. BVII.DATT presented a Petition from a pay
county of Tipperary, numerously signed by the Prod
Itoman Catholic 'lnhabitants, in tay.our of the Roman Ci
lief Hill. The •Petitioners stated that,pereons of all relig
minatioas in Ireland desired milmiliotiM, And the tunic
ligious feeds.--The Vetition was ordered to be printed,.
t Mr. /I EAU lES brousin in tbs.lsl! 70,1klati Rnl.
head a first. time, .and ordered. 1e.../11. PloAl• 11,014;1.11
Ft iday next._ )Si...- ~ i
•
-- Mr., 'HENRIES broVen in 11 Ulik
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i ' •
Vessel... Read a Ors nine, and ordered maul .s n
on blooday neat. • ii.r. -.• "• ~
i : : • CAT H6DIC RILLIEF 81.1/4 '.l ..*. t
.1
Mr: CU RWEN Moved the Order of the
littlifisird •ri :Oink of , the Roman_ .PltistlPC 4.4
.-..iiiThe klost..hleniber said he should express vet
$ his opi .ion upon-the •qiiestion. •it bad been
! I
the oraj co ity of the' people of 'this country wet
• In the Measuie; but,- lit the efonty is hich he
bootnit. torepresent, he. 44'41e:satisfaction of
14i.
• 'i that these was a greUt pieponderince of fedi
'tier of rensng the • tightsof , the' Roman (
! . f
flea iiteended no danger from pinning tit
tii.l; bitt, .on the contrary, he bale:set! the
would gain increased security,. :Mil tlie..c.l
! creased strength, by removing the exclosivi
i ' &orient's, in' existence. Knowing, hoW nisch.'
. -.: . Body oi'the 'Pic tostant Ciezgy were to be reap
souk!, riot help regretting to see• then:l- oppo
grantinsrof those indulgences, to -the . Catnip)]
visited Ireland-with-many prejudices, which %iv
.
i zep
.eiel y tenspred by the experience Fe.scipirei
• 1-antouicating with the people, : :There WA. A. 0.1)
. Islotatestesl, on sn•Atinvoishe earth, to whom AI
1 allbcdoas Wore gerenres-thes in the, Irish. The Has
"-Iligien describe...A.:change. teem fustiest of anintodt.y. I
•
bum', and eoncord. ins -town in ireiand, liribing fraol.ll
• nitit hindniss and fotbesrance betweeti the dilftrutit HMO
...-
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restrictions were necessary at on gretted that
hey continued tu.„be necusiity-stilt? Doctor Doyl
imposed the restrictions, ;unified bemence of
tinsg4etldainprit have meant the 4le could wi
oplinite, (oder. 'a totally. diakeent suet, the and
'e Ih,pod not confine ourselves *to the charity c
r of 'the authors of the Revtiotion, consider the
of their legislation. Accordin to calumnies th
out who. opposed the preinst- , , be
cents made at the time of the Revo- meetings, al
• ••