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A CAPITAL FREEHOLD ESTATE.

TO P.F. SOLD BY AUCTION, Together, or in Lots.
t I IJ!.:1, in Ncw-ftreet, ilinninghani, on Thurfday
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• L.nt..f. crcet luny difpofed of by Private Contr.ia, of which
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Towns.

MALT..
Lord SPENCER proceeded to Rate the grounds
of the motion, of which he had given notice rela-
tive to biAlta : he was aware that this proceeding
was not ufual with refpeft to mere motions for the
produftion of accounts, which were generally
complied with as matt:rs of courfe ; but the lob:
j:d of his prefent motion was of more thaa ordi-
dary magnitude; and he (hould at prefent have
an opportunity of entering more into its detail
than it would be poffible for him to do on the final
difeuffion of the Definitive Treaty. His Lordfhip
then Rated his oblations to the propofed arrange.
ment relative to Malta, in a very minute com-
ment on each claufe of the loth article of the De-
finitive Treaty. They may be comprized in the
following abftrad : Of the four remaining Langur:
of the Order of St.- John, three, namely thofe
of Arragon, Caßile, and Italy, are under the di.
red influence of the French Government. It is
hence incontrovertible, that the intereft of France
mutt predominate in the elatien of a Grand Mat-
ter; and tVus the Ripulation for the independence
of the illand will be virtually defeated. This re-
fult will not he prevented by the eration of a Mal-
tefe Gangue, which, independently of its being an
improper aft of interference iu the internal Go-
vernment of a foreign State, mull, &ova the demo-
cratic principles ou which it is founded, prove a
fertile fource of difrention with the other Longues.
Of this variance France will avail her felf by means
of intrigues, and thus procure au afcendancy of
intereft. No provifion is made for paying the
troops to be employed in prrifoning the ifiand.—
While the territorial polfeffions of the Knights re-
mained mdse. their refuurces were fo inadequate,
that a large debt was incurred. How much more
inadequate mutt they now be, when all their be-
nefices in Spain, France, Piedmont, Lombardy,
and on the left bank of the Rhine are confifcated?
The revenuesof Malta itfelf never exceeded 40,0001.
a fum utterly ' ient for maintaining its civil
and military a at, and defraying the ex-

Mr. Nt c ot.s.s rote to make his promifed motion
for a vote of approbation of the difmiffal of the
late Minifters ; and he thought it his duty to bring
it forward previous to that of a contrary nature
intended to be moved by a Noble Lord on the
other fide of the Houfe. From thofe perfons who
lately direded the affairs of his Majefty's Govern-
ment, he thought proper to felea the Right Hon.
William Pitt, as a perfon forming :the matt pro-
minent part of the late Adminiftratson ; as one in
whore conduit, during the late war, there appear-
ed a degree of criminality which affefted him ex-
clufwely ' • inafmuch as not one of the objeCts for
which he declared the war to have been entered
into had been attained. The pretext for entering
into the war in the beginning of the year 1793,
was the proteCtion of Holland' - and the defence of
the Auutrian Low Countries. Since then Holland
had been &Wised, and the Low Countries now
formed a part of France. The Right Hon. Gen-
tleman was a volunteer on that occafien ; no de-
mand for affillance had been made by the Dutch ;
on the contrary, they deprecated our interference.
Auftria forfeited all right to call on us for aft-
. ace, by its conduit with regard to the barrier

towns. So far then we had failed in the objea of
the war. We alt.() failed in anuther point, which
the Right Hon. Gentleman ufed frequently to
dwell upon—lndemnity for the pail, and Security
for the future. The language of France was We
pfsdetie as to all the had acquired ; andititu: quo
ante Itellum as to what the had 101 l : arid this lan.
guage was aged upon. The empire of France
was alfo extended, and her power aggrandifed be?
yond any thing that could have been conceived.
Where, then, lie would Mk, was the indemnity ,
or the fecurity required by continuing the war
There was another objea profelfed by Mr. Pitt,
in which he had alto failed ; that was the deftruc.
lion of French principles. He did not allude to
thole principles that had been aged upon for the
abolition of the French Nobility, but thole which
the late Mr. Burke and others contidered as hay.
ing for their objea the defirualion of all the
Conftituted Authorities in France, and which they
thought it would be necetfary to fupprefs, in
order that a fuccefsful attempt of that kind in
France eight not be held out as an example to
the people of this and other countries. Thefe were
the principles which it was dated to be the objeft
o(the war to truth; and its objea was alto to re.
eftablith the Conftituted Authorities, in order that
this country lhould not have before its eyes an ex.
ample of fuccefsful infurration. But the war did
not accomplifh this objea ; it did not prevent the
example ; for the Confhtuted Authorities of France
have not been re-ellablifhed ; and the infutreaion
has been fuccefsful. But he might be told that
Jacobin principles were put a flop to in England :
to that he would reply, that the great tpody of the
people in this country never dud entertain fuel
principles ; they never withed for innovation ; and
no fuch thing was proved on the trials that took
place for high treafon. But although the war had
failed in all its objeas, he might be told that great
ability had been 'hewn in the management of it.
He denied that affertion : there was none. The
Right Hon. Gentleman had, among other errors
in the condua of that war, violated three maxims
laid down by Machiavel—the firfl was, never to
troll to the relations given by emigrants as to the
Rate of their country, becaufe they (poke from
prejudice, and always deceived themfelves : but
the Right Honourable Gentleman paid no atten-
tion to this maxim, although he had before him
the example of his predeceffors having been de-
ceived by American loyalifts. The next maxim
was, never to rely on the invafion of a country
being fuccefsful on account of the exigence of ds.
vifions among the people of that country ; and the
third was, not to rely on the (=eels of an invafion
from the tlate of the finances of that country....
That Route had been told, year after year, that
France was ruined in her finances, and that the
could go on no longer. One of the firft meaforea
adopted at the beginning of the war by the Mini.
fler, was, to pundit France—to cut off all Neap.
plies of corn and other provifions. Not to fay any
thing about the morality of fuch a meafure, he
would point out its confequences: Government
took into its own hands the trade of importing
corn, which.was of courfe abandoned by the met.
chants and importers ; and that cirtumftance pro.
duced the great fcarcity in ians. The ufeful and
neceffary fiipplies were not brought into the coon-
try. At length Government was obliged to invite
the o'd Corn Merchants to import again ; they diet
fo, in great quantities ; and that, together with
the granting of fubfidies to foreign powers, had
the circa of draining the Country of its calk ; and
the failure of the Bank foon followed. &fides
the attempt to (terve France, the ambiguity of
the Minitler in the management of the war was
another circumftance which was produaive of
great evil to the country ; it alienated from oar
caufe the bell of the Royalifts, and occafioned the
King of Praia to abandon the confederacy. When
it was obferved that Great Britain wifhed for the
difmemberm:nt of France, and when Valencien:
nes and other places were taken in the name of the
Emperor, the Royalilts became difgufted, and we
101 l all that could be hoped from their coaipera-
tion. No Minifter had ever carried the praaiceof
lubtidizing foreign powers to fuch an extent as
Mr. Pitt ; and, to far from anfwering the objet,
it created (handl among iliac powers, without
gaining their afliflance. As to the attempt that
had been made on St. Domingo, it could never
be known whether the objea was to fecure that
colony for the French King, or whether it was to
be conquered for this country. If the people there'
had been allured that we had the former objea in
view, they would have put the place into our
poffeffion. The attempt to conquer it was ri-
diculous. It was, howtorer, neither given up nu;
conquered, and the expedition coil this country
2x millions of money, and ica,coo men. The ex.
pedition to La 'ndec was 'highly difgraceful ;
it could never have produced any effea. The
fame ebaradler might be given to the expedition
to Holland in tang. It was a rath and extrava-
gant Rep at that time to fend a number of raw
undifciplined troops to that country, in the expec-
tation that theywould be joined by the inhabitants ;
and Rill more rags and fatal was the meafure cf
fending orders not to fuller the Convention for
the evacuation of Egypt by the French to be car-
ried into effect. The immediate confequence was
the expofure of Portugal to invafion, by fending
to Egypt that army which would have protedled
her. Another part of Mr. Pitt's condua to which .
the Houfe would turn its attendee, was the an.
fifer fent to Bonaparte when he had made over.
tures of Peace to this country. He would alk, if
there was a man now in the Houfe who did not
regret that the offer had been rejedttd, and that
fuch an anfwer had been fent. The Minifter
&Quid have known at the time that Boaaparto

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was the thief of the Briffotin; patty, who,'
from the beginning had been defirous of Peace
. condua on this occafion was marked
with peculiar circumftances of guilt. He knew
that the country was then fuffering under the
prelline of fcarcity, and labouring under dif-
tretTes from which nothing but Peace could re-
lieve her. Yet he (hewed a determination to go
on with the war ; he did fo, and difgufted- the j
other nations of Europe. Shortly after this, he I
contrived to excite Auftria again into the war, al-
though it was known that country had been ex.
hauffed, and that its people were adverfe to the
war. The campaign commenced in tfloo. Auffria
was fubdued ; and France difplayed a degree of
moderation which proved the was not wholly
actuated by a Spirit of conquell, for (he forelxne
taking polfdfion of Vienna, which (lie might have
done. Another objeft for the conlideration of the
Houle was the quarrel with the Northern Powers,
which had beet occalioned by the imprudent oh-
ftinacy of the Miniller in refuting to give up Mal-
ta to the Emperor of Rittlia, who became the
bead of the Confederacy then formed. There
would have been lefs danger in giving up that
place to Rialia than to Naples, from which it
was likely foon to get into the polfetfion of France.
Betides, it would have been wife to introduce
Ruffia into the Mediterranean, as the Ally of this
CQnutry. Fortunately, however, the death of
the Emperor Paul put an end to tke Confederacy.
In no put of the conduct of the late Minifter was
there any thing like political wildom ; he failed in
all his °Neff'. Peace at length became neceffary
and what made it nece(fary ? Nothing but the
war.—Othrisg6).—lt was the war which made
peace neceiFary : he was cnrreut in the expreftion—
" The terms of the peace were not fuch as could
have been ward for ; but they were juftified on
the ground that the country was reduced to a hate
in which there was no profpea of fuccefs by con
tinning the War." He wailed Gentlemen might
look back to the calamities that had been produ-
ced by the 'War ; let them look at the poor-houfes,
and at the numbers of people who died there in
confrqucnce of the diffreffes which war and famine
had !nought upon them : and then a& whether
peace was not necetEtry ? The calamities of Europe
rendered it ocean}, ; and France was enabled to
dilate her own terms. ft would hereafter be Seen j
whether the retaining of Ceylon and Trinidad was
likely to be beneficial to this country. The cat
however was, that the calamity of the country was
fo great that the war could not be continued longer.
It might be faid, however, that Mr. Pitt had
!hewn great abilities in his plans of finance : he
denied that fait. His principal plan, the Income
Tax, could be conhdered as nothing better than
a R.obefpierrean qifem of revenue which debated
the people, and railed up fuch an oppreflive and
inquifion la; powcrin the countryas could nolonger
be tolerated. Another plan was the file of the
land-tax, a meafure of great oppreftion on the land-
ed intereft ; but in which the Minifter's objea was
to give a preponderance of benefits to the monied
intereft ; and by railing the price of the funds, to
keep the capitalifts in good humour, and enable
bimfelf to raife loans on better terms. The effea
of aloft plans was the great oppreffion and milery of
the poor, who, during the laft two years, were
want by thoufands in the poor-honfes. (Mar-
*ewe etVittrandion were heard in various parts of lie
Rosie.) " I arm," laid Mr. Nicholls, " that the
condo& of that Right Hon. Gentleman has pro.
duced fuck mifery among the poor, that the deaths
in the poor-houfes within the bills of mortality,
have exceeded all proportion, and that you would
be terrified were you to hear the rectal. If you
doubt the faa, appoint a Committee to enquire
into it." This, he faid, was principally occalioned
by the circulation of paper-money ; and the enor-
mous increafe of our public debt ; and every thing
contributed to place us in a situation in which
Peace was loudly called for. The Right Hon.
Gentleman, he thought, was not of an avaricious
turn, but he was a man of nroft inordinate ambi-
tion : h was true, he made no fortune for himfelf.
but he put others in the way of making fortunes;
and in point of corruption, Sir Robert Walpole
was a child to him. He had adopted means of
corruption that were never heard of before. He
bad adopted the expedient of creating Peers for
the purpofe of obtaining nominations to feats in
that I look. (Any of hoer!) •' Do you doubt it,
laid he, " if yon do, go into an enquiry, and I will
prove the fad." He had created above a hundred
Peerages, and given away sSo
.Penlions. Cor.
ruption was the inftrument by which he afted ;
it was by that he had fupported himfelf fo long
in power. His retirement from office was atten-
ded by two circumftances, to which a very
confiderable &woe of criminality attached :
firfl, he of igned a reafon for his refignation, which
Kid a tendency to alienate a great portion of his
Majefly's Inbjeas—the Catholics of Ireland—from
their attachment to his Majclfyis Perfon and Go-
vernment ; and lecondly, he left a large portion
of debt on the Civil Litt ; and this criminal con-
duit was aggravated by the circ nmitance of a great
part of the debt being incurred by lending money
to the King's fun. Wo application of money on
the part of a Minifier could be more injurious to
the Country than this. It was not only attaching
to him the Princes of the Blood, but making them
dependent iot him ; and giving him. a dangerous
power over them. Had an application been made
to Parliament to fupply their necetlities it would j
have been immediately attended to. But the Mi.
:lifter, without confultingsParliament, committed
this crime againh the Creilitution, and gave the
King's tons to underhand they were to look up to
him only for money. The contequences oh this
lroceeding could only be judged by thofc who
ooked at the hiflort of other countries, and taw
the power affirmed by Knitter:, over their Sove-
reigns. Gentlemen mutt have heard of the Mair
Is Falai: in France, and of the Pc,//,tra at certain
Afiatic COurts. He milked if the Iloufe w ould
fuller filch a praaice to grow up in the Country ?
Thofe who whiled to guard the i.ldependence and
the power of Royalty ought to guard ;Tama Inch
conduit as this, and not (Infer any man, from his
inordinate ambition, to nfurp an uncontlitntional
power over his Sovereign. Nor fuould that Houle

Puffer the Heir Apparent to be treated in that dif-
graceful manner he had been by the late Mininer.
Mr. Nicholls then concluded by moving, " That
an humble Addrefs be prefented to his Welty,
returning him the Thanks of that Houfe for hav-
ing removed the Right Hon. William Pitt from
his Councils."

Lord BE LGRAVE obferved, that his Right Hon.
Friend (Mr. Pitt) was not removed from his Ma-
jelly's Councils, but that he refigned his fituntion;
:ind therefore if the Houfe agreed to the motion
jolt made, they would be placed in a very awk•
ward fituation ; they would be doing neither more
not lefs than voting an Addrefs of Thanks to his
hlajelly fur doing that which was not done. His
Lordthip then laid, he anticipated the cordial fop-1
port of the Houfe to the amendment he had to pro.
pore. He believed, in confidering the merits of,
the late Minillers, their virtues would be found to
outweigh their decals; and if the difficulties of the
late conteft were confidered, as well as the arduous
ftruggle which Mini flers had to make, it could not
furpi We any body if they had betrayed fome of
thole errors incident to human nature. His ob-1
fervations fluyiel now be directed to that Gentle-1
man againll whom a vote of centime was moved;
but to whom he himfell confidered the country in.l
debted for her prefervation.—(A cry of hear!)
He wilhed that the Houfe might notice the dif.
ference which there was between the fituation of
the country now and in the year 1792. With re-1
gard to the prefent Minifters, they did no more
than follow the fleps of their predeceffors in office.
Without meaning to detract from their merits, heJ
mutt fay that the ftruggle againft the French Re.
volution was over at the time of their coming into'
power. They were like men, who, by the (kill of
others, had efcaped the form, and were now fafe
on (tore. All men, who were not void of feeling,
mull know that at the end of 5792 the country was
in a (late of general alarm and danger, from which
all had efcaped and he would ark, if fomc credit
was not due to that man who had (leered the ref-
fel of the State in the aria of the form, and
brought her into port, with her colours hoitted,
and her Itreamers flying ; and now proudly and
triumphantly riding in fecurity ? At the period he
alluded to we had not only to contend againll
France, but againft French principles fopported
by French arms. We had to r. ntend againll a
country that had recourfe to confilcation, rapine,
and bloodfhed, to fupport her erhaufted finances.
Treafon was fpreading over' England, Scotland,
and Ireland. Had it not been for the &inners, the
wifdom, and intrepidity of his Right Hon. Friend,
he was fore he thould not then have the honour of
addreffing that Houfe. The Noble Lord then mitt-
' merated tome of the moll brilliant inftances of the
fuccefs ofour arms in the war,and the whole of which
had been directed by the late Minifters. Betides
this, he allted if there was no merit in organizing
the fpirit of the country, and adopting loch effica-
cious meafures of defence ? '['he Union with Ire-
land, which was effeeted by the wifdom of his
Right Hon. Friend, was another objea of the
greateft importance and public utility; the good
effeas of which began already to be felt in Ire-
land. The financial fyllem of his Friend was not,
as the Hon. Gentleman laid, a Robefpierrean (yr.
tern, but one which produced the utmoft benefits
to the country, particularly the Sinking Fund, by
which the burthens would be removed that mull
otherwife fall on pofterity. He alfo deferved great
merit for his Income Tax, which was a muff
powerful weapon to fight the battles of the country.
This war tax might fairly be called the Magna
Charles of Britilk Revenue. His Right Hon.
Friend had prelided over the Councils of the
country for feventeen years—he had ferved the na-
tion with fidelity ; and his defesfts were only like
thofe palling clouds which by obftruaing for al
moment the rays of his talents, only ferved to
heighten the luftre of his charaaer.—lt had often
been the fate of great men to be (lighted and treat-
ed with ingratitude by that Public of whom they
were the benefactors ; but it was not the charader
of the Britifh nation to do fo. His Lordthip then
concluded with moving the following Amend-
ment r—" That it is the opinion of this Houfe,
that by the wifdom, energy, and firmnefs of the
Right Hon. William Pitt, during the late moft
arduous conteft, fupported by the unparalleled ex-
ertions of our fleets and armies, together with the
virtue, magnanimity, and fortitude of the people
—the honour of the country was maintained, her
(lrength was united and confolidated, her credit and
commerce maintained and extended, and her in.
violable Conftitution preferved againft the attacks
of foreign and dome flic enemies."
Mr. S. Tnoaturos feconded Lord Belgrave's
motion, laying, that .after what had palled, he
thought it a tribute of gratitude juftly due from
the Houle to the late Adminitlration. He was
one that had uniformly held the opinion, that this
country did not reek the war, but that it was forced
upon us by the ambition and reliefs interfering
101.4 of the enemy.—ln the eventinl contelt we had
witnelfed it could not but be expeaed that difafters
mull occur. They had, however, been met with a
manly (pint, as had the commercial difficulties of
the year 1793, which were connteraaed with al
penetration, fagacity, and firmnefs that was un-
exampled. It had fallen often to his lot to wirnefs
the fpirit and talents of die Right Hon. Gentleman
againft whom the original motiouof the Hon. Gen-
tleman oppofite him was pointed, and he could fay'
with the greatefl truth, that more integrity, cool
deliberate penetration, and promptners of execu-
tion, he had never fcen or read of in any man.—
' He could not, however, conclude without giving
his tribute of praire to the good fenfe and magna-
nimity of the people of this country, who had re-
fitted every effort to reduce them from their alle-
giance to their Sovereign, and fupported them-
(elves with fortitude under the prelfure of three
adverre feafons.

Mr. GREY role to order, and aficed whether an
amendment could be put which altered the entire
feat: of the original motion ?
The STEAMER was of opinion that the amend-
ment was confiftent with the orders of the Hoak,
though •ery snulhal.. -
Mr. Fox apprehended the nature of the original
motion had•bees stihadarliood. it was as Ai!•

mmomak
drefs to the King ; therefore& Noble Lord could
not move an amendment clutneing the, orig
motto' n ; he was, however, at liberty to move4a
Addrefs likewife, if be thought• it expedient. .
lir. Goa x►too fupported Lord Belgra ve's motions
Sir H. MILDP4 41( fail, that the efcape this
country had from the dangers in which furround.
ing nations had been involved, was to be afcribed
to the exertions of that Gentleman who was pro-
pofed to be impeached. The war, fo far from be-
ing difaftrous, had been eminently fuccefsful by
fea and land : and there never was one in which
the country had been engaged, which placed her
in a fituation of fuch unrivalled fplevidor. Under
the direaion of that great and amiable man (Lord!
Spencer) the atchievements of our Navy were;
never equalled by thole of any former war. The,
Hon. Baronet concluded by moving another amend-
ment—" That the Thanks of this Houle be given.
to the Right Hon. Wm. Pitt, fur his great and'
eminent fervices, &c."
The SPUN= obferved that an amendment
could not be moved to an amendment.
Mr. EKSKIN F, at the fame time that li?oppofed
the Amendment propofed by the Noble Lord,.
laid, he could not concur in the original motion.
He himfelf did not know why Mr. Pitt had re-
ligned his office ; nor could the Houle know whe-
ther he did refign, or whether he was diftniffecti
it would not then he confiftent in the HOufe to thank
his Majefty for doing a thing which they did not
know whether his Majefly had done or not. At,
the Fame time he could not fuffer this Motion to
be made the foundation of another Motion, the
moll unfounded and invidious that ever was
calculated to difguft the feelings of the people—a
motion to load with unbounded praife the man
who had brought innumerable calamities on his
country. It was for the King to appoint his Hi-
oilier, and for him, as a Member of that Houfe,
to fee what the Minifler had done. He was afto-
nifhed to hear the Noble Lord, wlio fpoke in inch
praife of the late Minilter, tile terms of cold and
languid approbation when he alluded to thole who
had rcfcued the country from the fituatinn it was
lately placed in. The Noble Lord, in his figura-
tive language, reprefented the country as a !rad
which his Right Hon. Friend had Reeved through
the dorm, and which was now riding in port, with
&earners flying, &c. Was it poffible that the
Noble Lord could be ferious iu giving fuch a chgr
rafter of his Friend ?—a wait, who bad driven the
velfel into a tempettuous fea,'sind who, inftead of
piloting her into port, took to his boat, deferted
the Chip, and left her to be wrecked and deftroyed.
Therefore, before he would agree to a Vote of
Thanks, he mull enquire into the condua of that
Minifter who had betrayed and abandoned his
country. He bore no perfonal refentment to Mr.
Pitt, he admired his talents, and only fpoke of his
conduit as a public man ; it was,necetfary, there.
fore, to examine that condua, particularly when a
propo fi t ion fo extraordinary as the prefent was made
to the Houk. War was in itfelf fo great a calamity,
and attended with fo many evils, that he thought at
the end of every war an enquiry ought to be made
into the conduit of it. It was an excellent cuftom in
the Navy, that whenever a Chip was 1011, altho' no
blame could attach to an y of the officers, yet fo great
attlevil was it to lofe a fhip, that a Court was always
appointed to enquire into the condua of thofe who
had the management of her. But a war was over,
which produced none of the objeas for which it
had been undertaken—which had not gained the
(murky it fought for—which created a debt fo
enormous that the addition of 4o or so millions
could hardly furprize any body who fhould hear
it named—a war in the courfe of which the Con-
ftitution had been invaded; fo far from an enquiry,
it was propofed to thank the perfon who conduft-
ed it ; and this was the perfon who abandoned
the helm of the Rate in the moll perilous cir-
cumftances ; in the midft of a formidable confe-
deracy of the Northern Powers agaiu9 us, di-
reeled and fupported by the head of a powerful
empire, with all the affillance of that brute force
for which Rullia has been ever diftinguiffied. Yet
all this was propofed before any thanks were moved
to the Minifters who refciied the Country from
the difficulties with which the was then furround-
ed ; and reftored the kingdom to the Bleilings of
Peace. Perhaps it might he laid, that although
Mr. Pitt had retired, he did lo becaufe he was dif-
qualified from making peace, but that he left it
to be made by others, and fuperintended the whole
concerns of the country, although not appearing ,
to take an aftive part in them. This was a fart
which few could fpeak to; and for his part he
mutt fuppofe, that when the Right Hon. Gentle-
man retired, the State was direlift. He agreed
with an Hon. Baronet in his eulogium on Lord
Spencer ; but it fhould be obferved, that another
Noble Lord now filled his department in a manner
in which he could be excelled by none. There
were Members in that Houfe who ("drafted from
the merits of the peace. He did not think it was
fo favourable a peace as could be walled ; but
whole fault was that ? was he to thank Mr. Pitt for
that peace? No; but the time might come when
that Gentleman should be impeached for not Ellen-
ing to the overtures of 13onaparte : that Bonaparte,
whom this covntry mull now keep at peace with,
and whole propofals were made at a time when his
Government was unfteady, and when the fate of
France was uncertain. At that very time when
the then Minifters could have made a favourable
peace, an anfwer was fent to Bonaparte's letter, fo
barbarous, indecent, and opprobrious, that he-hoped
thofe who had advifed the writing of it might one
day be impeached for Co doing. The Houle did
indeed fwallaw the pill by approving of the con.'
daft of the Minifter at that time ; but he would
as if they would do fo again ? The eyes of maw.
kind were fixed on that Houfe, and if it had hem
once furprifed into fuch an aft, was it to do ano•
then aft equally difgraceful ? He would *lk Gen-
tlemen if ever they could mat to enjoy a peace
as long as Mr. Pitt continuectintis &nation ? Did
he not take every opportunity of rejeaing peace ?
For his own part he could neverbelieve that Gen-
tleman had appointed a Deputy to make peace for
him ; hut that the State was fotfaken by him, and
that the King had been left without • a Mini fler,
for what reaton 420 (Mr. &WM) could: sot toll.

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The Hots. eternise; toncloded with moving an
Amendment to the Noble Lord's Motion—that
ter the word" that," thee words be infertel
44 - a Committee be appointed to inquire into the
condo& of Minifler during the late War, and the
reafons of their refignation."—However, as the
forms of the Houk did not allow of the mo:itn,
being put, the Honourable and Learned Gentle-
man withdrew it for the prefect, and concluded
by giving his moll hearty diffent to the amendment
of the Noble Lord.
Mr. CARTWRIGHT. warmly apptoVed theAmencl-
meat of the Noble Lord ; and offered the Houle
that he never was one of thole Members, v..1i0, it
was often laid, were in the habit of publicly fhp-
porting nieafures which they privately condemned
1 —for he always.thought the proceedings of the hitt
Adminifiration neceffary to the fafety oldie coon-
' try.
Mr. Ws triattroaca was of opinion, that though
every individual meafure of the late Minider might
not be deferring of approbation, yet that upon the
whole his condnEt was entitled to public gratitude,
for having direded the Government of this coun-
try, paructslirly during a period of ten years of as
difficult circumdances as ever any. Governor or
Legiflator managed the affairs of man. The
Legrned Gentleman on thy other fide had intro.
1 duced the figure of a fhip, in allufion to the State.
and be would afk him, was that fbip 1011, nr im-
paired? No,. under the moß,ardoops complication
of dangers that ever menaced this country, the
late Mmiller had psoferved that kip, and the now
lay fecure in port ! For that very reafhn he would
II fupport the amendment of his Noble Friend.
Sir ROBIIRT FEEL., alto fupported, Lord Ildi.
k grave's amendment. Much had been laid about
the debt incurred by the war, but that debt was
'far counterbalanced dhy the commercial advan.
tages the country had obtained under the late Ad.
minitiration. La the :chid of the greated difficul-
ties our exports and imports had been doubled._
He had given his fußport to the late Adminitlra-
tion—he gave it to their ruccelfors—and if the
Hon. Gentleman oppofite to btm came into power
he alto fhould have his rapport, if he did not for-
feit it by his conchs& With regard- to the Right
Hon. Gentleman who had been fo much the tub.
je& of debate, he was one who wiffied moll atilt-
oufly to fee him in a date of comfort. Lle had
neglected nobody but hirufelf, and it was a difgrace
to the country to fee him in a date of poverty.
Sir G. P. Tua'sa denied that war was ever
the with of the late Minifler. Had he been a
greater tyrant even than Robefpierre himfelf (a
laugh), it was improbable that he could have de.
fired war, when peace under his aufpkes was fo
produdive of public wealth and public happinefs.
If the Hoare lhould vote any cenfure upon the late
Adminiftration, they would, in his opinion, vote
a cenfure upon nine tenths of the Members of the
Houle, for they had uniformly approved their
meafttres during the war • and he hirotelf was one
of thole who always voted with them, upon hide-
pendent principles too—for he had no place or
penfion, nor would they rank him with the Peers
—(a general laugh.)
Colonel Wow:moot/se conceived, that to agree
to the motion for cenfure, would be to vote a grofs
infult on the proceedings of Parliament, by whom
the late Adminiftration was fo honourably fecond-
ed ; for it mull be admitted that the. late Minifier
was fupported by a larger and more refpedabic
majority than any Minliler of England ever h,!,1
been. The Hon. Member laid, he was glad to
offer his tribute of praife to the talents and worth
of the Right Hon. Gentleman who was the prin-
cipal fubjed of this diicuffion, though lie vas con.
fcious that nothing in his power to fay could ad-
vance the reputation of that illudrious man, any
more than what the Hon. Gentleman, who: pro.
poled the motion could fay,would tend to reduce it.
Mr. Geer was at a lots to undertland the na-
ture of the Noble Lord's amendment, and hardly
kpew how to addrefs himfelf to it. Whether it was
meant to compliment the whole of the late Adrai-
nillration, or merely the Right Hon. Gentleman
who in the courfe of this Mega-ion was the princi-
palobjed of panegyric, it teemed difficult to divine.
All his colleagues appeared to be forgotten this
evening; and all the language of eulogitim was
profulay lavifhed upon him alone. 1/iefe cola
giums however were general: no faa was dated
to junify them; and direly it would be becoming.
before the Houle contented to vote thanks to any
individual or Adminiftration, to appoint a Com-
mittee to enquire into and afeertain the claims of
that Individual or Adminiftration—to proceed as
now propofed would be altogether unprecedented;
it would be derogatory to the chat atter of Parlia-
ment, and inflating to the common fente and feel-
ings of the country, differing from the mitiondult
of the late Minilter. In the courfe of his °Werra.
tions, he fhould confine himfelf to the Amen&
Anent, palling by the original motion; which,
however, it would have been more regular and
candid in the Noble Lord to negative before he
propofed his motion, and then the quellion might
be fairly met. There were Come parts of the No-
ble Lord's Amendment from which he could not
dilfent : to any compliment on the army and na-
vy, he was perfuaded no Gentleman in the Houle
would object; their achievements during the war
, were entitled to the utmolt praife—.as far as de-
I pended on skill, bravery, and difcipline. they bad
been uniformly furcefsful ; and where they failed the
fault was not their's, but the Miniller's, who iert
them on difficult and ill concerted expeditions. It
was therefore rather hard that the noble Lord then; d
have exclufively attributed to the wifetom of the
late Adminifiration the vislories of our fleets and
armies—or at all, indeed, introduced there riaorks
into a motion with which they were not neceifarily
conneded. To the condo& of the late Mh.ilier
every thing meritorious was in the courfe of this
debate attributed, one Gentleman Paid that his Ma-
jelly was indebted to hint for the prefervation of
his Crown; but if that Right Hon. Gentleman had
never exided, he (Mr Grey) trolled there was a
crowd of loyal fubjeds in the country, able and rea-
dy to defend his Majefty's crown. Another Gen-
tleman had infifted that we had gained all that
we had not loft; and a third that the profiierity
'of the nation was entirely to be ggilired to the

that
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late '4l. niffers. The noun stai toll h the Sell
fel, under his guidance, had rode nut the' amino
and got Cafe into port ; but what was the fad ?
The Noble Lord had affected that peace had no-
thing to do with this quellion, yet how was that.
boalted fecurity to he judged of, if we did not look
at the nature of the peace. It was to be remem-
bered that even if the nee did afford us fecurity,
we were nog(indebt for it to the late Miniftee.,—
But in order to judge of this fecurity, let us take a
te
view of the date of France, of her enlarged terri-
tory, and improving refources :--there were not
wanting perfons even among the Colleagues of the
late Minifter, and who were to .be included in the
Noble Lord's Vote of Thanks, who differed very
widely with the affertion, that this country had
got into a fafe harbour ; on the contrary, they law
•Inillitig but danger in our prefent lituation ; and
thought that no hope remained of draping from
ruin. As to the flatement that we had gained all
that we had not loft, lie was of opinion that it
would he extremely difficult to make out that pro-
pc,fition—to (hew that we owed this gain to the
war, and that we fhoulel not have had it by con-
cluding peace at an earlier period, or by avoiding
the war altogether. if the argument could be
good, it muff preiVe that it was necelfary to fpend
millions, and to flied the blood of millions of men,
in order to preferve the nation from lofing.—
What reafon was there to prefume that a Peace
quite as glorious as that jolt concluded, might
not have been made with Fiance at many periods
of the war—or that Inch a peace would have left
us in a worfe fituation than we now were ; or that
a conflation with the French Republic would
have been more dangerous to this country then
than now. But jacobinifm was then dreaded ; and
was not that jacobinifm the bafis and foundation
of the prevent French Government ? At the time
that 13iinaparte's overtures for peace were rejeZted,
it w;s Bated that the effed of his ufurpation was
fich as alone to juitify the continuation of the war,
the precedent was frippored fo pregnant with dan-
ger ; hut after he had eonfulidated his power, his
—cr
ufurpation and jacosbinifm were, forgotten. Why
fitinild it have been fuppofed thittany other perfon
that his governed France fume the Revolution,
even Robeipier re himfelf,Vould not, had we made
peace with it, contrived to confolidate its power,
by !silencing Jacobin Clubs—putting down newf•
papers, and doing all-tbefe other things which are
thought by fume to charaElet ife a regular Govelm-
ment—that they would'not bring men, after mint-
'hipping the Goddefi of Reafon, in grand procef-
fion to the chapel of Notre Dame. After what
Bonaparte had done in Egypt, whatever his foe-
cefs,in arms might have been—a fuccefs which was
poor confolation to the ill fated country that has
ha its liberty through him—why prefume that
this country would not have been as fate in con-
cluding peace with any other French Government?
Thus much he Rated, in 'order to exhibit fome.
thing of the fecurity of which Come Gentlemen
fcemed fo confident. Whether or not the war
might have been originally avoided, he would not
now difeufs, though his opinion remained unalter-
ed, that this country was the aggreffor ; but even
fuppofing the contrary to be the fad, that was no
apology for profecuting the war when it might
have been terminated. Ishat it might have been
terminated on many •occafions, and in a way with
more advatitage to thiscountry than the late peace,
he did not think it would be very difficult to prove.
With refpea to the original objets of the war,
they were two-fold—to fupprefs Jacobinifm, and
to prevent the aggrandizement of France. Surely
it would not be denied, that the late hlinifter had
many opportunities of making peace when the ter-
ritcry of France was not fo enormoufly extended as
at ritivnr. But that Right Hon. Gentleman was lb
iinguiar fa his politics,that he alwaysrefufed to treat
when firccefsful, and never propofed it but when
the furtlicr profecution of hollilities famed hopelefs.
When he fent Lord Ikfalmethury to Paris, the French
troops had over-run Germany, and Bonaparte was
in petit Ilion of Italy ; the moment it was underflood '1
that Jourdan was defeated, the chara4ler and tone
of the negociation changed. The negociation at
Lille commenced under circumftances quite as un•
aufpicious as the former; it was broken off from
limilar confiderations. Such was the policy of the
late hli:7itlcrs—afking Peace when in a (late of
dilcomfiture ; and fo elated by fuccefs as to 'brink
from the idea of pacification. The refult of this
injudicious fyllent has been at length to reduce
this cenntry to the neceflity of concluding a Peace
upon worie conditions than ever Great Britain did
fince the began to hold a rank among the nations
of Europe—a ran!: from which unqueftionably fhe
has been reduced by th:s difadvantageous peace—
a peace, however, which-it was thought creditable
in the late Minifter to plead for, though evidently
the tenth of a neceffity created by himl:e.lf. What-
ever the effet% of the peace mighet t e,he approved
of it, becaufe it was pr ierable to the continuance
of war. The Preliminaries had his approbation,
and if that approbation did not arit.e out of thecon'
bdcrations he hadalready Rated, his opinior: would
bechanged by whathad fincelmppened in the acqu i-
efeence of Minifters to the ai:litional pretenfions of
France. That power, to reCtrain whole ambition the
war. Iva:. commenced, ha.s now extended her boun-
daries from the Alps Lis the Ocean, from the Pr
relicts to the Rhine. Was that a fituation which
the late Minifter was even prepared to anticipate
at the beginning of the contelt ? The Noble Lord's
( liawkelbury) -6°4 of the commercial and mari-
time tirength of this country, furprifed him not a
little : could the Noble Lord place lb mach reli-
anze on our 'superiority ir, that refpat—at lean on
the
long continuance is,. that fuperiority.; or did
he mean to reckon upon maritime flrength from a
view of the number of ihipping ? Let the Noble
Lord take a fair coraparifon of the fleets of Eng-
lard and France at the beginning of the war and
t.t prelim, with ri confideration of the prof pats
fLre us in the &It init.4 nee, and he will not
have fn mach reafon to vaunt of the acquifitions
!..ate :n that r efpal ; betides it was to be taken
:Ito accou'at that France was now furnifhed with
e means es acquiring naval power. Poffeffed as
f}:
e s'..3‘ I If inch an extent of coati, from the Text!
in 5.,,i, . , .
r I, writ to many important ports in the
14`:Jit'A rant an, was it to be fuppiffed that the

'l4 4-/tat MAI figeleif
granazerrretit, and Bitd tot Mega* 'Mail
attacking,war trade r. had the adf acquired (*Oil
tics of trading in the EaR Indies, Mitch the m
not poffefs before the war ? Could the not riciw
Anon controul our communication with the Ea(
Indies and America by her dominion over the
Cape, and the acceffion of Louifiana ? If the
Ratements of the late Minikes own colleagues
are to be relied on, the commerce of France mutt
foon eclipfe that of this country, and overturn
the flattering profpeds Which the Noble Lord
would hold out. What pretenfiotis then could
that Minifter have to the approbation of the Houfe?
What had obliged his fucceffor to conclude a Treaty
which, according to the confetlion of his own col-
leagues, had funk die Country into fuch a (tate of
degradation and humility? But it was argued
that this neceffity arofe out of the difficulty of cir-
cum(lances, and it would be worthy of enquiry,
whether thefe difficulties were not of the Right
Hon. Gentleman's own creation, that is by refuting
fo often to abandon the objets of the war; or, to
enter into Treaty on certain terms, without (train-
ing the turnoff effort of the country—
'foto certaturn eft corpore regni.
If Gentlemen complained of dillentions among the
Confederacy originally combined arainft France,
defeating the views of the late Mintfters, it was a
queftion whether thefe diflentions were not owing
to the mifmanagement of that Right Hon. Gentle!
man himfelf? It was only neceflary to take a
!port retrofped of the condud of that Right Hon.
Gentleman, to be induced to entertain a ftrong
. .
opinion that he was the cattle of thofe diffentions.
—The objet of the 'war was to reftore order in
France, and to compel the Government to ab-
dicate. When fuch was the objet, what was
the courfe to be purfued ? Was it by fending I
troops to the Welt Indies to feize fome Iflands
What effed could it have on the (lability of the
French Government ? Whether the capture of
Martinique could drat the deftrudion of the
French Government was not the queflion, but
whether fucli a-difpofition of our force was contif-;
tent with the plan formed by the coalition again(!
France, or whether that was the belt mode of ac-
complithing the object of the war? Such, however,
was the effea of that expedition upon the minds of'
thole engaged in the coalition, that it immediate. I
ly excited the idea of diftind objeds, and divided
interells. Aultria took Valenciennes in her own
name, and Pruffia immediately fet about the con-
fideration of her own interefts. In the fir( cam-
paign an army was detached from the Confede;
racy upon a march to Dunkirk—quite a Britifh
objet. Could it then be doubted by whom that con-
federacy was oferarated ; by whom its ditfolution
was produced ! The whole was attributable to
the original and fundamental &felts of the plan
upon which the late Minifter aced. All thole
difficulties fo loudly complained ofwere engender-
ed by him : for Purely no fuch difficulties could
exit, or be even apprehended at that period, when the
bankruptcy of the French Government, and the de-
ftrudionofitsrwer within a year was fo confident-
ly expeded. Noble Lord on the Treafury
Bench, talked of the facility of a march to Paris.—
Strange how different the opinion then of the
difficulties which were now made an enure for
the lunation to which the country was reduced
by Peace I—ln voting for the Preliminaries of
this Peace he knew that he was making great
facrifices, but he contented to that rather than
recommend the continuance of the war. Such
was the dilemma in which the Minifler now
propofed to be extolled by the Houle, had placed
the country. Since the Preliminaries were difcuff-
ed great events had occurred, which very ma-
terially affeded the queftion of Peace. Thefe
changes he Rated, and dwelt upon at fome length.
Having enumerated the errors of the late Admi.
nittration, he contended that the Houfe was not,
by any thing that had been advanced, juftified in
agreeing to the Vote of Thanks which had been
moved. He confidered the motion as extremely
ill timed ; the late Minifters had been now a year
and a half out of office, and no one had ever
thought they merited fo explicit a declaration of
the tenth of the Houfe in their favour, until a
motion had been made implying cenfure on their
condud. the adoption of fuch a motion, the
Houfe mull mean to approve of the condud of
Minifters throughout the war. The molt (hiking
and prominent part of their conduit was the re-
jedion of the overtures of Bonaparte; and it was
notorious that the greater part of the difadvan-
rages of the prtfent peace were attributable to the
resdion of thole overtures. He obferved, that
the Houfe would at with the hig. heft degree of
inconfiftency in approving of the conduit of the
late Miniftry ; for it was a circutnitance peed:fly
well known. that a majority of the perfons who
compofed the Cabinet while they were in power,
now considered the peace recently concluded as
a miaow one ; confequently, if their counfels had
prevailed, the country would not have had Peace ;
yet the Houfe Was defired, although they, ap-
proved of the peace, to content to return thanks
to thote whole advice had it been followed,
would have precluded the attainment of that blef-
fing. An Honourable Baronet had flared, that
the late war had been generally futcefsful, and
that we had encountered no failure in which
the numbers of the Britifh troops had been
equal to thole of the enemy :—this propofition
he denied. Without referring to all the inftances
to the contrary he could point out, he would
content himfelf by mentioning fiat the Expedi-
tion againft Dunkirk, the failure of which arofe
from a fundamental errhr in the mode of profecut-
ing the war, notv:ith (landing we had an army fupe.
rior to that of the enemy, by whom we were forced
to retire. Not to trouble the Houfe by (taring
the fanftaion if the early periods of the war, he
would remark only that in the expedition againft
Holland, our army was compelled by an inferior
army to purchale its retreat—a large Britifh army
—larger than ar.y one that had ever been under
the command of the Duke of Marlborough, had
been fent to Holland and difgraced, and dilkom.
rued by an enemy infinitely lets numerous. Did
the Hon. Baronet recoiled the failure of the expe-
ditions againft Ferrol and Cadig, and the delay of

nit*, ir-- e'viitV , 'vat: . f ,
Heirtuffeetd tif act • ' sill *gout of '
the IOW* *On. - ' OttEtif pt, but
the ftteeefi oftdrats acne wit citte 'oldie y to the '
Officers and troops s tO • them the country owed
everY think ; to 11fintliers. nothing : oti the con.
traey they were liable to blame for-havingetpafed
to danger a force which' but for itr bravery, and
perhaps the fault and mifkilfulnefk of the enem.v,
mutt in all probability have been deftroyed; l-le
was alto ready to admit that for tor a thorough
knowledge of finance* the' .late Chance/lot of the
Exchequer was excelled by few; but certainly his
love of innovation had produced difficulties filch
as this country never had before experienced. All
that had refulted from his financial meafures,- for
which his admirers teemed inclined to give him fit
-much credit, was, that in the cotirfe of nine years
350,000,00 a hid been added to the capital of the
debt ; a (urn exceeding by t 10,000,000 t the 1
amount of the debt created by all the wars from
the revolution to the prefent time. He had added
i 5,000,0001. to the national taxation, which was
7,000,0001. more than the whole amount of the
taxes previous to the war. ' The :vadal unre-
deemed debt of the country would be confiderably
above 500,000,0001. He then referred to the meat-
Cure adopted by the late Chancellor of the Exche-
quer for reftrieting the payments by the Bank in
fpecie, contending that it had not only been at-
tended with many commercial diladvantages, but
alto with general public calamity—vitnefs the
daily trials for forgery, owing to the increafed tir.
culation of Bank paper : indeed, the evil confe-
quences of that ill-advifed meafure were not yet
fully experienced. He cenfured likewife the adop-
don of the Income Tax es part of a financial fyf-
tern ; he confidered it as a tax which was incon-
tinent with every principle of free commerce. If
any proof was wanting of the injurious nature of
fuch a tax, it was, that the fucteffor ()fake author
of it had, in conformity to the declared wifhes of
the pnblic, and of the Houfe, been obliged to repeal I
it. But great merit had been attributed to the late
Chancellor of the Exchequer for his attention to
the Sinking Fund. To the merit of having ad.
tiered to it he was ready to agree, but he denied
that he was entitled to any other praife. What-
ever merit was due to the plan itfelf was referable
to the original author of it, whahad laid down a
lynern fantlioned by AR of Parliament, which
all future Chancellors of the Exchequer were
bound to abide by. The Hon. Member entered
into a variety of arguments, inferring that the
alterations made by 'the late Chancellor of the
Exchequer, with regard to the Sinking Fund,
had tetardpd its operation inflead of having ac-
celeiated It. For the rearms he had Rated, and
confideriag, that under the late Admininration,
this country, from a &nation of power, had been
brought to a Rate of comparative weaknefs, he
' fhould vote againit the amendment. Without
tome enquiry perhaps it might be unfair to cenfure
the late Minifters, but certainly it would be too
much to vote them the:Oh:fedi of praife. Some.
thing had been (aid with refpea to the price of the
Rocks, as if they were a criteeiotr of the wealth of
the country, the liability of its Government, and
the wifdom of its Adminiftration; He would
only obferve, that when the merit of the Ad-
' miniftration, the (lability of the Government,
1 and the wealth of the country depended upon
1 the price of the three per cents. it would be an
omen of evil afpeet, and forebode the decline of
1 the power of the kingdom. In all he had Paid he
affured the Houfe he meant nothing perfonal with
regard to the late Chancellor of the Exchequer.—
He thought his talents rather fplendid than nfeful,
and that he had employed the brilliant powers of
his eloquence to defend what was bad, rather than
promote what was advantageous to the public.—
Dextrous he certainly was in debate, and emi-
nently calculated, by the delufions of his eloquence,
to fitpport an oppreflive fyllem ; but he was defi-
cient in that true wifilom, by the proper applica-
tion of which in a Minifter a country was made
great and happy.—He concluded by giving his
cordial anent to the original motion.
Sir HINItr. MILDNLY (poke in explanation. .
Lord HAWRISIVIIT fald, it was incumbent 011
the Houfe not to fuller the original motion to pats
off without fomething more than a mere negative.
The late war was not to be confidered as an ordi-
nary war; it was to be viewed as produced by a
great revolution in the minds of men. It had been
alerted that this country was the aggreffor in it,
but it was confeffed to have originated from-
France by the content of all parties in that coun-
try : there might perhaps be a few perfons in the
Executive Gchernment of France not averfe to
maintaining peace with this country ; but the Go-
vernment in general certainly was fo. The prin-
ciples they held were fubverfive of all order; peace
would have been a calamity in fuch circumflances.
The Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Grey) elks whether
'the fame grounds for our fear of Jacobinifm do
not (till ma? I anfwer, that I cla not hefittte to
siffirne, whatever opinion may be entertained of the
prefent Government of ?cane in other refpeds,
that tiler, has been as complete a.renunciation of
the principles of Jacobinifm as could be walled for
' by the molt 'jealous enemies of tbofe pernicious
principles. Did any man ever fay that we muff
continue the war for a change of dynany or fuc-
ceffor, whatever we might have wifhed, or becaufe
France was a Republic ? No ; but becaufe it was
'founded on principles that no Republic was ever,
founded upon. But do we not fee a recurrence to
;ancient maxims and ancient principles ? It is im-
poffible to look at the conduit of that Government
:and no to fee a compleat abandonment of the
princifles of Jacobinifm. They Lave ahked parr
,don of Goo and men, and now revert to the ordi:
nkry principles of Government. Let it then be
con fidered whether it would have been expedient to
have renewed the war, and forced, perhaps, France
to return to her mifchievous principles. It hadbeen
afked, what period of the war was there when we
.might not have obtained a rrpre advantageous
Peace than the prefent? None, faid his Lordlibip,
I aver. From the commencement of the war to
'the year teoca it was not poffible to obtain any
Piece wham— the Dagociations that w ter

ail dirrrende
deferl4ldt aqtertiliffeci riot th make peace.
• dtatilftlfte. the Whole *orld, that Its. u not
a" dffitii,e &accruing terms. In filo°, the Hon.
Gentletyad far, every body mull admit that peace
,mighthite Leen then Made on better terMs; bitt
ttre ought to look at the fituation in which Mini.
ler% were, andin which the country was. Genoa
Was Rill itt the poffeffion of France, as werkEgnit
and Malta. Ruffia and Auld* were both wil-
ling to contittue the war, which greatly alteredthe
fituatioh of affairs; for I will admit; that even now,
could we hope to place Europe in better ciittim-
lances, It might have been expedient to rejed the
prefent terms of peace. We mull then cofilider
the whole cirettmflances of the cafe ; the
!known
initability of the French Government naturally
prevented us from halay acceding to the propofals
of one who had jul fei,til its helm. But let us
come m the conduit of the war which arofe out
Of the Revolution, which no human prudence
could have prevented. I can fee nothing to
blame in the conduit of the war, or in the
conclufion of Peace. Whatever may be the i»fe•
curity of Europe at this prefent time, I can fee nu
greater chance of fecurity to Europe from continu-
mg the war ; and it mull certainly be preferable
to preferve, and not wale our ffrength in prole-
cuting a war that can produce no good effea to
ourfelves, or to Europe. lam prepared to main-
tain that there neve was a Peace when our marie
time commercial, and colonial flrength was great-
er, conitiared with that of France, than at prefent.
As to the war, when was there a war in which
confiderable failures have not happened ? but on
the whole, never was there a war more eminently
! fuccefsful. • I believe this is the firfl war in which
no Britith poffeflion was wreled from the Coon-
try ; all our poffeffions are fecure, yet it is to be
remembered that this Country had neceffarily
but a fubordinate part in the contell ; the great
efforts mutt be made by others,. and if thefe
can it be wondered that we Mould likewife cape-
' rience failure ? The war was condultsa with
the greatel ability by my Right Honourable
!Friend, and though he bad unexampled difficulties
to Krug le with, he lilt adhered firmly to the plan
he had laid down to himfelf for the finking fund,
! which had it been earlier pralifed,the national debt
could never have been more than the amount of
two wars at the molt. With relied to the admit&
llration of that Right Hon. Gentleman, is the Union
forgotten ? the•greatefl event achieved by any Mi-
Rider. Confider what the lituation of Ireland was
! three years ago, and how much that country owes
to the late adniini(lration, who under loch circuit'.
I lances could attempt and carry into effect a Inca-
! fure of fuch magnitude, and of fuch effential ad.
vantage to both countries. From a recapitulation
of all thefe reafons his Lordihip concluded with
! reminding the Houfe of what it owed to itfelf, if it
would maintain any confiltency in its condua, to
fuppott the atnendment.
Mr. PooLs declared his concurrence with the
amendment. He confidered the war as a war or
aggrefllon nn the part of the•enemy,and therefore
unavoidable.

Mr. Fox roll at baltpaft eleven, and continued
a molt able and argumentative fpeecb till pall two
o'clock. It is therefore impoflible to prefent any
thing more than a mere !ketch of it. •He began
with raying, that although the forths of the Houle
do admit the Amendment of the Noble Lord, yet
I molt take it as the mot extraordinary and un-
jullifiable way which can in loch an inftance be
adopted. Why not negative the original motion
at once ? There is here, if I may be allowed the
exprelSon, a dexterity in the Noble Lord, and
what I flionld call, if it were not like a bull, a
(*miller dexterity on his part. This Houfe has
not of late !hewn much difpofition for enquiry;
and here, certainly leis than upon any former oc-
carton. The Noble Lord does not with to have at
iiredt panegyric on Mr. Pitt, for that vfould not
be altogether palatable to the country,but he whips
it in by a very extraordinary manoeuvre. It is not •
alone a panegyric upon the IVlinifter, but an eulo-,
gium upon the colleagues of that Minifter, upon'
the Army, upon the Navy, upon the Houfe of
Commons itfelf—and by whom ? By the Route of
Commons itfelf. Firft of all, I will not thank his
Majefty for difmiliarig Mr. Pitt until I know that
-he did difmifs him ; and fecondly, I will not
thank his Majefly for difmiffing him,. if fuch was
,the fad, until I know the grounds on which the
enure of his difmiffal took place. The motives
have been differently hated ; but if he has been
difiniffed becaufe he fupported the claims of the
Catholics•of Ireland, I will fay that nothing be.
came him fo much in his public and official life as
the leaving it. If that were aflually the cafe,
Mr. Pitt fhould have my fupport. Yet I intik
fay, that fuch a queftion as tbit of Catholici
Emancipation fhould not have been confined to'
Mr. Pitt alone, but fhould have been the folic&
of Parliamentary difentSon. I therefore than
give my vote againft addreffing the King in this
cafe. Bnt, Sir, !hall we now decide in a tamp
that which Cbould in all its parts be feparately dit7
cuffed. All the meafures of the late Miniftert
fhould be taken and weighed one by one, in order
to form a juft opinion uponithe whole. If I approve
of the prefent Miniders,• I do it upon this prin-
ciple, that they made Peace at a time, which,
however I objett to fume of the Articles, is !till •
an objea of real fatisfaetion to the country. Yet
the objeftions all =ifs from the ftate to which the
country was reduced by the late Minifters, and
which rendered Peace neceffary. But in thanking'
Mr. Pitt, are we to thank Lord Grenville ?
Are we to thank the Secretary at War ? Ara we•
to thank the late Lord Chancellor ? Are we to
thank all thofe who differ in opinion with Mr.
Pitt ? Are we to thank thofe who are called fac-
tion; and bite molt fcverely againit the prefent
Minifters I Are thofe whom 1 have mentioned
mere flop-gaps, or rather have they not been ef.
feudal parts of the late Adminiltrati9n ? I forgot,
Sir, a Right Hon. Gentleman, the Preljelent of the
Board orControul, the Secretary of the War De-
partment, and the Treafurer of the Navy, a, Gen.
tleman who has complained of any abfencc, am(
who has been hintfelf of late very abfent. Is ho
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