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P .iR lAMENTA '‘r PROCEEDINGS.

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HOUSE OF I.ORPS, FRIDAY, JULY 51. -
In the appell, " Mayo. Wharton," Mr. FONSLANCISIS was
)e of in r, ply, for the Refpondent. Judgment will be given 00
Tea lay.
The Fall India Bonds. Pollee C fee Warhoullng, London
Cnal Mat ket R egu'ation, and fermi p-ivate Bills, were brought
op from the Commons, and read a firft time.
The Order of the Day being read for taking his Majefty'a
rage. refpetting the fettkment of Frograore Houle, into centl•
. . .

dt:ration.
Lord HAWKESBURV Paid, that be was authoriltd to declare
Ids Mai, fty's coolant to the bill, as far as his tights wars

concerned
Tbe'Earl of MOIRA made the fame declaration on the part of I
bia Royal lilghne's the Prince of Wake
IRISH INSUILRECTON RILLS
Upon the third readmg of this Bill, the Duke of
1151,7011 D, the East FlTZWilLttilli, and L0rd.1401,-
taw% propoted various amendments. which were re-
jeCted, after a Jefultory debate, in which they were
lupported priocipally by Lord Hot.t.amo ; and op-
poled by the Lotto CHANCFLWA, Lords Haweas-
avaY, R.Entsust.s, and MULGRAVB.
To the claufe fixing the duration of the Bill at two

years'
The Duke of BEDVORD pivoted as an Amend-
ment that it (Mould be limited to otte year only.
Lord HOLLAND ropported the Amen dntent, and
contended that the way to tranquilize Ireland was
not by palling bills of this charadler but adopting
t.ox ards it a mild and conciliating dierifition, admit
• ting all clifres 'III fubjeds within the pale of the
Confliturion and modifying theryfient of tythe laws.
The bake' of MONTROSE raid, that be had only
one ohjeftion to the Bill. which was, that it Was not
to conatie for a longer• tom than two years. tie
.deprecated the perpetual agitation of the fuppoTed
grievances of Ireland in that Hanle) and other places.
If the perking who made there the condom theme of
their declamations were to be believed, all the dlf
tonients which prevailed in that country were to be
attributed to the government. This was not the
way to make the peopk obedient or ratisfied.
Lost& DMOUTH obrerved, that if he were dif-
pored tirr..pport the Amendment, it would be from
the high refpat which he felt for the Noble Mover.
Upon all quellions relating to Ireland, the opinion of
the Noble Duke was entitled to great weight. The
mildriefs, prudence. and Rustles of his Governatrat.
tinting the (knit time be remained there. could-lot
be too much applauded. He wilted chat infisad
of
perpetnally reminding the rubjeth of chat part of the
United Empire of their grievances-w-inftead of telling
them what was withheld from them, they firould be
&two what they erj .yed, and taught to compare
their fitua;inn, under the Btitellr Conlikution. with
the date of the people i t that country. to which it.
w4l {aid they looked for deliverance. His Lordfhip
&eared himielf in favour of the, Clank, as it tided
in the B;11.
The Eat 1 of G ROSY ENO R rupported. the Armen&

Nett.
Lord MULGRAVE a&ed, whether any one of
shore noble Lords-who fupperted. the Aniendment,
would pkdge themfelvel, that an the difeontents by
which the people of Ireland were agitited at cadent
would difappear in the comfe .of a year If they
would, that certainly would be Cowie inducement for
bim to adopt their Amendment: He could perceive
1,0 reaf nable objeftion for cirsentlin4 the Bill tao
}ears or even a longer period. 'the 13411, in fad, was
a dead letter upon the Statute ticuilt, it was not
to be put in force except an abOute neer:lv should
arife for giving area to its provitions.
The queftion being put op the Ainemlnkat, it
was negatived s% il-ut a dirifion.
The Bills in ptogreft were forwarded in thcir ref=
peEtive liages.—Adjourned till to morrow.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The London Coal Motet MIL the bobßri Peeing MI. the
Dritith ctibery BM, the Woollen ClteMer'S Bill, and the Itifh
Rlf-
etnrae Regulation Bill; were feyerally read a third time and pate
Mr. J. BAOWN brought up the Fourth Report of the Coht•
snitoners on the Caledonia! Canal, from the Ealtcrn to the Wet-
tern Sea.—Ordered to lie on the table.
The Bait India jodieature Lift. *eft brought op. and ilterted
to a Committee to report to-morrow the names of twenty MOW
bell who arc in the greatett number of Lifts. •
TbeS.onimittees on the Military Canal, end the Malta Trade
lOW 4ltre deferfed to Monday. •
oedeted,That the Hnufe to-morrow ref.lve Bret loto-a dna
,ak,„ of the whole Heide, to confider of the proptief Of deport-
Irith White and Brown Linen.
The Fonign Goods Export Repeal Bin. and the German Lifts
till, Were Pveralty read a fecond time, and ordered to be eon-
tiritted fo-motiosti.
The Reports on the Cedorrial IMpettes Bllli tits Cslieo Dlsty
the Pliblie Accost. tants' Bill, and the Pot Offme (Hamhurgh
..elms) were feet:ally brought up and agreed to, and the Bilis or-
-14 red to he read a third time to.morroW.
tile frith Silk Duty Bill, the SWedith Herrings Import Bill, and
Irith Spirit Otawback Surpention Bill, were federally read
tot, and ordered to be read a fecund time tomorrow.
A iVlelrage from the Lords informed the lioufe, that their Lord-
Chips had agreed to the Curacoa Free Port Bill, the frith Annuity
Bill, and the Milker, CiffinxilSoneid Continuance Bill, without
any amendments.
The Report of the Committee on exempting Weft India pro-
dnee from the Auetion
ht in the wet brought up and agreed to, and a
Bill ordeied to be brotigreon.
FAST INDIA ESTIMATES:

Mr. CR F.EVEY PVC notioe.that he would oft Monday Mite
tbat-the t ftimatea of the EaR India Aieounts. for the years de6
and tgb.4, be made out in a different way from that on the table.

IRISH MILITIA TRANSFAR I'LL.

The Houfe went into a Commitief en fhe bide Militia Trani-
ter till it which a elaufe was addld fnf limited !Crake.
Mr CA 1.0 RAF f eked
.what the bounties woe propofed to IN?
Lord CAST 1. ER FAG caw! red, eight guineas for liatiecdr
and is guineas for unlimited fereite.
CHURCHIS IN tRILAND-
Slr JOHN NEWPOR I asked the Chancellor dt the Etehe-
quer. tall, thcr he meant, carp in tht nest Sefhons to bring tot.
ward any iae..fure on the. R e ports of the A rehbithops id Ireland
kens at this moment a fulled of the greateft important*: and
lee bad underftood from the Primate: of ?Aland, that in. one din
ex& alone there Were ten parldtti, in Whirls !herd *OH white
church, aloe boufe, nor refident Clergyman
TheCHANCRI.LOR of the MCC HE Walt affilfdd to Right
Wm. Baronet, and the Houfe, that this was a fubjed, of the Im-
portune of which be was very Well and fhat he Mould de-
dicate as mach of his time as peffiblt td it ddrhig she fedeie, sad
Would certainly fuhinit Ranh arysfors to the eseideatidd of
the
Houk on Ii early in the nest delhun.
GalslßAl STAYS OF IRILANS.
Mr. SHERIDAN gave notice, that he would on
Friday next submit a Rcfnlution to the osonfidetatiOn
of the Houfe, on the prefent general Rate of Ireland.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
melted he would Rate what was theenatortZ the
motion he intended to make, that Hon. Members
might come better prepared Inc it.
Mr. SHERLDAN answered, that what he &mid'
topofe %%odd be, that the Vouie Mould come to a

bong pledge, that early in the next Seffion they ' of ialeAdminiftration, when Baron Hardenberg, who
would enquire into the caufes of the dircontents Which wesektniwn to be adverfe to the French intertfts, was
had tendered it neceffary to pafs fuch a bill as that made Prime Minifler, and every promife given to:
which had recently pallid the Houfe (the Inform; enter vigoroufly on the profecution of the• war,. an
Lion Bill), ,idea had gone abroad that the Court of Praia had
commisus of SUPPLY. preferved a great part of its treafures, and this ad•
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEg. . vance had been withheld till it was proved that was
moved the Order of the Day, for the Houfe to refolve i not the cafe ; and he could inform the Honourable'
itfelf into a Committee of the whole Houle to con- Gentlemen that this advance had twice relieved the
filer further of the Supply granted to his Houfe,
; gallant garrifon of Colherg, and enabled them to hold
and that his Majelty's Meffige, the Confolidated out to the end of the war.
Fund, Vote of Credit, the remaining. Army Elli- Mr. WHI rBREAD Paid, he believed Lord'
1 mates, &c. be referred to the Paid Committee. j Hutchinfon had been ordered to make this advance,
i
The Houle then went into the Committee (Mr. I at a time when it was much againft his judgment fo
HOBHOUSE in the Chair). , I to do; and he asked, if Government had not re-
Mr. Secretary CANNING Paid, that in moving a • ceived letters from Lord Hutchinfon, in which he
grant to his Majelty on the feveral Meffages, the firs, laid, that if a general battle took place, utile& fuch
in point of time, was that delivered to the Houle in and loch things were done, it mull go. againft the:
March hill, in which his Majeny recommended to Allies.
the Houfe to make good, but which were not, from Mr. CANNING acknowledged that Lord Hotch•
a variety of circumfiences, of which the Houfe were talon had, by letters, expreffed himfelf to that effeB,
aware, not yet made good, and which was therefore and he had alfo, by letters, wilhed his Mejetly's
propofed now to be made fo—this was the Ann of prefent Miniilers to be fpeedy in fending nut the Bri-
-80,0001. advance& to his Pruffian Mejelly, by the t tith army that had been promifed, which was ans.
confent and authority of the late Adminittration. i inufly eepeBed by him, and by the Allied Powers.
-The Mirage delivered the other day might be di• Whether Lord Hutchinfon had any authority for
tided into three parts, the first branch of which fuch expeitations, he could not fay ;—he finspored
was, the Swedilh fiffifidy, on which, however, be mull have had it. Certain it was, however, that
no payment had yet been made. He would, how. wheh his Majefly's prefent Minillers came- into office,
ever, inform the Committee, that the ffipula• they found fuch an impreffion prevailed, not only on
Lions were of this nature: by culling treaties, his I the mind of Lord Hutchinfon, but in the minds of
Swedifb Majelly was to keep up in Pomerania, a i the Allied Powers, and yet they did not find a tingle
force confuting of rz,ooo men, which was to aft in i atom of preparation for it; nay, even the tranfports
sonjunilion with the Rullianf:and Protliors, the King had been difcharged, which would have enabled
of ?raffia having engaged to furnifh to,ooo men for them to convey troops, fo that it was not in their
that fervice. On this account it was then thought power to fend any adifiance of this kind, however
neceffery to make a fmall addition to the Swedifh great their defign to do fo. This was a matter on
force, amounting to 4000 men, in order to give the i which he had no intention of entering into this even-
Allies as impofing a 'sedition there as they were able, log, but as the Hon. Gentleman had forced it on him
. and thole 4000 men were to be paid for at the fame I he could not avoid laying what he had done.
tate as the former. No payment, however, had yet Mr. WHITBREAD laid he was glad he had Aced
been made, and he would not therefore call on the the question, though the Right Honourable Gentle-
, Committee at prefent, for any fum of money on that man feemod to think he had thereby brought his
account, as it would properly c me into the next ; Friends into hazard ; ihs, however, was not the
Army Effimates, and be included in the vote of ere.. cafe. The Right Honourable Gentleman had laid,
die. The films which he fhould now alit of the Com. i that at the opening of the Campaign, Lord Hutchin.
- mittee to vote, were the advance of too,oool. lately lon thought a Military Force would be fent from
made by Lord Hutchinfon, in contemplation .4 the 1 Great Britain. It Ilsould be recollected what time
treaties which were to have been made, had not dr. the war hroke out, and if it were, he thought not
cumtlances unfortunately frustrated that intention, the int:Allen blame could be laid to the theme of the
which (tun of too,oool. toeether with the lam of late Adminithation. That event happened in No-
, fild,oool. before advanced, and the fum due for arms vember ; and was there after that, any time, before
'and ammunition, amounting to 200,0001. were to they went out of office, to fend out any troops, or at
, have been deduced out of the fuLlidy to be granted lean Inch a number as would have done any fetvice ? I
thofe treaties. It remained, therefore, 5• r the It fhould alfo be recolleted, that at the commence-
Ct:mince only to vote, which he lied no doubt they meat of the war, the King of Pruflia was aaually at
would do, the firms aEtuall% advanced ; that far arm. war with us, and not an Ally. But what had the
and aMmunitOn having been fu.niffied mit of his veleta Minitters themfelves done in this refpeit ?-... 1
Maje Sty's ordnance and Hares, aro old more properly '['hey had come into office ever Since the beginning
tome under and be included in the vote of credit., of April. and during the whole of that time, feeling
His prefent motion would therefore only go to tine the nectffity of fending a force to the affiliance of the
' 'Bei,cool. and that at:Wally advanced by L ad i intch• I Allied powers, they had never colleted a Graphs
Won, under the •anthority of the prefent Govern• tranfpnwt, till the middle of June; and after all,
mad. He concluded by moving, what force had they fent—lnch a one as was not ade
is Thus ken nee eiceedine tBO.-ert he granted to MS Maielly i quite to enable the Xing of Sweden to keep the field.
to make good the fums fo advanced" As to the tranfports being difmifTed, it was a very
Lord H. PETTY laid, he acquiefced in voting I wife Rep, for it had fated the nation an espence of
thole fume, as it (hewed that the [Helena Adininitira- 1400001. a month, which would have been paid up to
tion had the fame confidence in the h..n tut and jittlg : this time if they had been kept.
meat of L-rd Hutchinfon as had been entertained by • I
I Lord CAb'TLEREAGH was lorry to train& on
the laft. As no fum had been alked for on,account 1, the time of the Committee, but it was impoinble for
of the Swedint treaties, he could not, with any pro- ' him to let pafs force of the obfetvatione of the Ha-
,
.
prrety, enter upon that fobjea, than otherwise he 11, unable Gentlemin without a comment. Firit, he
fhould have been inclined to doubt whether Sweden '
dad declared
j that he had thouglathe late Adrainif.
a could have increed the number of men fo much as I :rati▪
on ultifiest in not having tent out any luccours
40co, and of courfe timid alfo have doubted the 1;o the Allies, becaufe tf:ere w:.s no time for doing fo.
propriety. and. policy of the treaty. !Ibis he denied to be the fa& The blow which was
Mr. WHITBkEAD ofked, if it was not intended 'aimed and had lincs.fallen on Pruffia was not fudden,
to lay before the Houle Tome information refpaing jet. was known for many months ; and during all that
the nature of thofe treaties which had been entered Mime they (offered themfelves to be made dupes at
into With the ting of Profile, in order that 'hey• p„ti am,▪ and were engaged in a negr elation which they
Might form fotne degree of judgment on the policy i mull I ingbefore have Peen would end as it did. Dur-
and prudence which had dictated them.
laid, be did not fee 1 ing the whole of that period it was known to every
Mr. Secretary CANNING cue there were conferences ef an angry nature going
haw, according to the ufage of Parliament, he could
iatward between Prutlia and France, which ended in
my before the Houle a treaty which had never been
the attack on Pruffia, who then was indeed only no-
completed and not at all rifled up on.
Mr. WHITBREAD laid, that according to the rninally at war with us ; and yet, while this Maw
was aiming at Pruflia, after lending themfelves, to
fituatien of the King of Pruflia for a c Hoi,lerahle
heir own dilgrace, to he the dupes of France, they
time pate, , he Should have thought that makin any
iliffered themfelves to be totally unprepared. The
ffi large advance to the King of Pru
a was impolitic. Honourable Gentleman had Paid, the King of Prutlia
He Should have been glad to have fetal the provitions 1 tad not forces to deferve a fubfitly, but be was much
of the treaty, and thought it was necefrarr the
mistaken ; the foceefs of the battle at Preuflich Eylau
Houle Should have information on fo important a
I was in a great degree owing to the gallant behaviour
point. of
3 a Prullian corps under General Leflocq, and the
Mr. CANNING laid, he did not fee how loch a 1 I uffian Government had (hewn to this Government,
communication could with propriety be made by his that they had (lilt exilling a Pruflian force of not lefs
M4jelty'e Milliners. If, however, the Honourable
Gentleman wished particularly for information on than sto,ooo men, which it was both necellary and
polhic in this country to afful. The Honourable
the fubjeel, he might move for it and the Houle
would then determine whether it ought to be grant. Gentleman alfo upbraided the prefent Government
for not having made any tnilitary exertittns. On this
ed. For his own part he regretted, as much as the head he would only fay, that when they came into
Honourable Gentleman, that the treaties could not I
or he wished the elm-1 office, they found no means for loch exertions.—
with propriety be laid open, for
of the prefent Government to be enquired into. 1 Antonga the troops which were looked for to be fent
They were well convinced of the propriety and pot. to the Continent, cavalry was thought to be mat
' hey of their meafures, arid proud of what they had
deferable, and was what we could belt have furnifh.
done. In both cafes the advances had been made in ed ; but it mull be reconciled that tranfports for ea-
Wes of great and preffing emergency, and formed •
tally required much more preliminary preparation
only a [mall part of the fubfldy which was to have' than any others ; yet, when he came into office, he
been paid in confequence of the treaties, had they been . found only one folitary tranfport for cavalry, though
they had been fo much prefred for them from the
eoMpleted.
there was a 1 Continent.
. He had reafon to doubt the policy of
Mr. WHITBREAD laid he thought
very anaterial difference in thole two advances. The . paying off the tranfports, though they fh,uld have
colt 40,0001. a month. It might be in the fpirit of
80,0001. had been granted for the putting the for that of Sadie in order,and adding to their Strength. that lublime economy which was the balls of the
The too,oool. was part of that immenfe film of a - Noble Lord's grand plan, and which meant to adorn
million which the prefent Government had agreed to that fine and fallacious fyflem, but it was not con.
pow-
give the Kill of Profile, to enable him to carry on . fifient with the political views of a great and
When it Was confidered what Taft fum: I erful notion. He found, however', on his firs en-
Aft war.
had formerly been advanced in the way of fubfidies ! trance into office, a peremptory order from the Tree.
and recolleiled hew they had been applied, he' I fury to difmifs every tranfport from the fervice, though
thought-the prefent Government ought to have been 'fo far from the expence being 40,0c0l a month, it
ed the country was not 4,0001.; and, if the late Government did not
*cry cautious how they again Myrtle
in loch a calamitous fyf They ought to have mean to abandon entirely all farther Continental
eked what the King of Proffia had to give them in conflation., they fhould rather have increafed the
return for this immenfe fum of a million ? He be. tranfports than diminifhed them, which, in his mind,
sieved it was known that gteat !part of the mercer was the very worst kind of economy. The prefent
advanced did not go to 'support the forces c the Government, however, proceeded as fpeedily as
poffible; they could not fend out the troops they had
king of Pruffia, but wee paid at Berlin to keepoi
loupe done to the King of Sweden, which he had preffed
the Slate of the Emperor of France ; and he was
them for as aitually pledged to him, former than
portage the King of Pala% had not a force under they did, for want of tranfports, of which they did not
his command, and within his power, to grant which
, find even a fined of preparation. If they appeared
could, by any means, require the payment of fuch ' inert in the beginning of their adminifiration, it was
a wall hem as a million.
owing to their being tied up by the fupinenefs of their
Mr. CANNING laid, the advances were made at predecetTors. The tuitions,' they had lately made,
the time of the change made by the Court of Pruffia

had been executed with rapidity, which was entitled
to great credit, becaufe there had been due prepara-
tions made fur it. Had that been the cafe with th&
'late Government, we might have afforded prnteai,,n
to our Allies. Ruffia expelled it, and Sweden alto
yet, owing to that falfe economy, that pitiful raving
by the difmilTal of the tranfports, we had not been
lable to do it till the time was palled, and the oppor-
tunity 101 l for ever. The fa& was, that if we had not
a9ually landed a man on the Continent, but had dif-
played a itrong force in the Downs, ready to preeced
to any point were they might he wanted, France
would not hart dared to have lent the whole of her

confcripts to her army in Poland, and it would have
been impolllble for her to have added to it an accu.
mutation of
„moon men. IT we had kept a force of
only 30,000 men in the Downs, France muft not only
have kept herfelf ftrong in. Holl.tnii to that amount;
•but in France Well alio, on every point on which the

. .
was liable to lie attacked, fo that theadtantages that
were to be derived from a die are of preparation
were almoti incalculable. Indeed, when fira he cam,:
into office, he faw that his Majefly', la:e Minitler*
theinfelves found they had too long poOponed any
attempt at co-operation in aid of our Allies on the
Continent, and that the indignation of the Country
would have forced them to a& ;—yet fo flow wens

they in preparation, they had tied up the hands of
their fucceff.rs by leaving them without arty means
of acing with fufficient promptitude to afford hopes
of fuccefc, until it was too late. _

Mr. WINDHAM, inftead of reproaching his Maw
jelly's Minifler, with not having anfwered all the ar-
guments of his Honourable Friend (Mr. Whitbread)
he gave them credit fir referving all their declama-
tions againfl the conduft•of their predeceffurs, to dt
introduced occafionally in the place of argument, and
at times and upon occafions, when from the thinnefs
of the Houle, and the irregularity of the occalion,
they did not expeet to be fully anfwered. He wasnot
in the Houle when this ditcullion originated; but fo
far as he could learn, there was nothing in the fpteeh
of his Hon. Friend but fpecific flatements upon the
fubildies to Pruflia and Sweden, inflead of antivesing
which the Noble Lord launched forth into a vague
and defultory fpeech upon fubjeCts totally differ.
ent, and took his flight from the fubjed imme-
diately in difcuffion to the general policy of t'ae war,
and to general charges of mileoridua again* his
predeceffors in the conduit of that war. This wag
not a moment, nor was there an opportunity of an-
fwering thole charges brought forward obliquely
and incidentally as they were ; but the Houle would
recolless that, from the very commencessent of shrift

accufations, which began with the serum of that
Noble Lord and his Friends to power, he and his
Friends had repeatedly challenged them to bring
forward their accufations in a regular and fair way,
which, if they had any grounds, it would be but pro.
per for them to do, and, in julticc themfelves, they
afraid be bound to bring forward;. Int after four
months, during which they thought fit to decline thofe
challenges, they now again repeated their imputations
in the expeaation, that in thin houfes, and at a period
' of the Salon when it is impoffible to go into them at
large, they might go forth to the public unrefined.
The Noble Lord had charged his Hon. Friend wirh
; giving rife to this invettigation ; and truly is, id
return, had made the bell de of the opportunity,
which ferved him for all purples of unfaitaafs met
mittatement, although for four months he and his
friends had refilled every invitation to bring itaward
their charges in a regular way. It was insfro(fible,
however, to be prepared to go into the full dtfcuffina
of fuel) cieflions, obliquely and incidental?), intro-
duced, as whether it was right to have fent an army
to this place cr that ; or how far the late Minifters
ought to have fubfidized aids money, or aided with
tror ps, one Power or another? but, in Gmrs's name,
if the Noble Lord and his friends walled fairly to go
into the enquiry on the fubjea, let them name a day
for that put pole. For the prefent, he would only fay,
I that it appr ared to his Majefly'slate Mininers ridi.
culous, to have fent fuch a force to the Continent a;
this country could, with any degree
.of prudence,
have (pared, or as could have the lull probability of
aff.,rding any effeaual aid to the Allies under exift-
, ing circumflances, when there was thong probability
' that the whole might fail, and that the'. very next
thing we fhould have to look to, mutt be .our own
defence at home. With refpea to the fubfidy, on
which the late Minifters were charged with other
criminal omiffion, were they, he would. A, to turn
the country into a great bank for Europe, upon
which the Powers of the Continent were to draw at
pleafure ? Were we to pay all the nations of Europe
for defending themfelves, and thus take away every
inducement for their own financial exertions ? But,
let the queflion be fairly gone into, and he was pre-
pared to meet it. It was Paid, they ought to have
fent both money and troops to Roffia, previous to
the late campaign in Poland. In his own opinion,
they were not bound to fend either. But, if they
were ever Cu much inclined to fend both, was the
(eaten arrived in which it was praaicable ? or could
it be hoped that any portion of troops this country
could have fent would have been of any avail, con-
fidering the immenfe armies that had then taken
their Ration, and were ready to flake every thing up'
on one great battle ? The Right Honourable Gen-
tleman (Mr. Canning) had Aced why the Cont;
nental Powers were taught to expert aids, in wee
and money, from his Majefly's late Minitters, cad
why were thofe promifes siolated ? To this /4
would anfwe ,r by another queflion. How woo
the Right Honourable Gentleman to know soy
fuch thing ? That troops and money have been es
perlled by thole Powers, was very much in the courts
of things ; but that any fuch promifes were made,
he totally denied ; and therefore, when thofe fads
fo often afrerted, were taken away, the whole by.
pothefis of the Right Honourable Gentleman fell
to the ground. 'I he next charge was, that of
milling tranfports neceffary to convey troops, ark
any hidden emergency. 'fbis was not the fall. No
tranfports were difmiffed, but .thofe employed fat
three months, which could again be had at any time,
namely, thole for conveying troops on fhort voyagese
but he had retained there tranfports which were en-
gaged for fix month,, which could not be fo readily
had without a conficteraUe increafe of prices and
which were more effeftual for general fervice, name-
ly, copper fheathed (hips, and of thole he left the
Noble Lord a much greater dine of tonnage than he
found on his own acceffion to r ffice. The Noble
Lord afked why we did not Kirke a (hew of fending

troops to the Continent, if it were •only to diftraft
the attention of the enemy ? The anfwer was becaufe
in the exifting Rate of Europe, it was not thought
prudent ; ass mere Thew of force would only put'the
enemy on their guard, and prepare them againß fome
future attempt 'that might be ferious and effeaual.,
But as to the Noble Lord's idea, that 25,000 men
landed oh the Continent from this country would
have drawn off the attention of Bonaparte this way
or that, to direa him from his •great object, it was
highly ludicrous. The Noble Lord complained that
the fplendid views of himfelf and his friends were ,
marred by the omiffion of their predeceffors, in not
leaving fleets and armies ready to their hands, to pre-'
teed on their favourite projects. To this he would'
anfwer, that the late Minillers, not expeaing they
were fo loon to have fucceffors,did not of courfe think
themfelves bound to prepare for the projects of
whets, but that it was enough to be prepared for
thole they themfelves thought right. With refpea
to the army, though they had not the advantages of
'roc it rrence to the great talents and valuable aid of the
Noble 'Lord, yet by fume means or other, manage-
ment or accident, it had increafed, and they left to
'the-Noble Lord and his colleagues an armed force
tironger by to,coo men than they found 1. Another
ground of charge againit the late Minifters was, that
they haat divided the force of the Britifh army, by
feattering them in (mail numbers and on petty ex-
peditions, inftead of Rriking a great blow on the Con.
tinent. To this he would anfwer, that thefe Mini.
Oers bad no option left them, but either to abandon
the army taken to South America by an officer ap-
pointed by their predeceffors, without any order sr
authority, and in violation of all difcipline, whole
conduit met the revere cenfure of a court-martial, or
lend out the expedition they had difpatched ; but
what was the condo& of his Majefty's prefent Mini-
fiers toward that officer ? Why, to the encourage
ment of all infubordination, and the fubverlion of all
difcipline, to the fcandal and indignation of the Bri-
tiflt navy, they had taken him frefh from the Rrong
cenfure of the court martial, and elevated him over
the heads of fo m—ay valiant and cleferving officers,
his feniors in command, to the rank of Captain in the
fleet in the expedition under Admiral Gambier.
Lord CASTLEREAGH replied—he laid that
the Right Honourable Gentleman, with that fort of
ciandour for which he was fo eminent, had this night
acknowledged one fait, namely, that it was through•
oottthe,determined purpofe of the late Adminiara.
tier, to abandon the Continent. With refpea to the
tranfports of which he fpnke notwithflanding they
were Rated to be all copper Iheathed, yet the two re-
giments of the expedition to South America, (one
of them the gth Dragoons) after they had paned the
Lind% end, and reached the Bay of Difcay un their
voyage, finding themfelves by accident on hoard of
two unfheathed (hips, they were obliged to put back
;o Plymouth, and intreat a removal on board of fome
other veffelsomore adequate to the voyage. He ftid
it had been the uniform principle of Mr. Pitt's admi
niftration, to have always ready tonnage enough fur
the conveyance of to,coo men, on any fudden etner•
genoy,and in contequence of this arrangement only
nine days elapfed between the time of receiving the
intelligence refpeaing the weak Rate of the Cape of
Good Hope, and the failing of the expedition for its
capture.
Mr. WINDHAM raid, that having no immediate
purpofe of landing troops on the Continent, he con-
ceived it unneceffaty to retain thefe tranfports at to
great an expence.
Lord CASTLEREAGH laid, the Right Hon.
Gentleman's principle was more expenfive than his
own in retaining coppered 'hips at fo high a price,
inßeaJ of thole much cheaper. The ctnfequence
was, that although he was in office !ince the 4th of
March, and had been twice obliged to taife tbe,price
of tonnage, yet fo great was the proportion of lhip.
ping occupied by the met cantile demands, that he I
could not yet obtain enough for the purples of the
fervice. lie was Mt prifed that in point of tafle the 1
:Right Hon. Gentleman lhould prefer coppered (hips
for ordinary fervice, fuch as victualling the Fleet off '
Bret, intlead of tetaining the lighter veffels.
Mr. WINDHAM Paid, that he did In from a Wit
polbly very oppofite to that of the Noble Lord,
etamely a tafte for the public economy. He ufed the
coppered velfels becanfe he happened to have them,
anddid notfeel the utility or prudence of hiring others
at the fame time and letting them lie unoccupied.
Mr. ROSE, in anfwer to the obfe; vations relative
to Sir Home Popham, laid, he always underfiood ,
k to be the right of the Admiral, in command of aw
stepedition, to ehoofe his Captain, and Admiral
Gambier bad folicited Sir Home Popham, without
any interference on the part of 1);$ Majefty's Mini.
Rep. The cenfure of the Court Martial upon that
officer was not for any want of &ill or courage, but
kr bis conduit arifing from an over zeal for the ler.
glee of his country. He was now under the com-
pact of a fuperior officer, and no fuch error was
likely to be repeated. He had heard of a fimilar
demur to the feleilion of Sir Roger Curtis by Lord
Wows, and though it had given offence to many of-
ficer; privately, yet no man quellioned the right of
the Admiral.
general LOFTUS obferved, that it was noto ions
that the tranfports which had been fent by the late
Ciovernment under Sir Samuel Hood, were alma
lanneoppered, and that Maldonado had nearly been
even up in confequence. lie alked why, on the
ether hand, all the tranfports fent with General
Crawford were coppered?
Mr. WINDHAM replied, that the feleaion of
%Mitered Amps for General Craufurd, was a proper
feleaion.
Onus) pimps enquired, whether the Right
Honourable Gentleman, by denying that an Admiral
in tognmaoti bad a right to choofe his own Captain,
inteaded to advile that Sir Home Popham fhould be
-Ifarnifhed with 14 a vigour beyond the law ?
Mr. WINDHAM declared, that he had not
(*id the right of an Admiral in command to felea
his Ofitua 3 all he had Paid was, that in the cafe al-
luded to, the feleaion was ill judged, and he appealed
to the general feelings of the fervice, whether or not
. it Wu proper fo to appoint a man jug fie& from the
(*Menet of a Court Martial ?
Mr. ROSE explained,
Lord HENRY PETTY obferved, that the Rate.
%tents on the other fide had led his Right Hon.
Mid to comment on the recent employment of Sir
OM! Popham who-had been re admitted into the
en with the cognisance, and: doubtlefs, with

'the- ipprobaafinttof theta 'bp trisOlifthe. ipixolistmenf
.Isicl • been . made. He fully • concurred in the
' Raiment bp his Right Honourable Friend, that
the appointiltent had created much diffatisfac-
tion in the navy (.I cry of No !No !), at kali
fo he had been creditably informed ; the gentlemen
roppofite might have been informed otherwife
He underßood, that independent of thofe circurn-
fiances on which the lenience of .the court martial
had been founded. Come occurrences had lately been
Rated to. the public (on which he would not deter-
mine, for he would indge the condu& of no man un-
heard), conneaed with Sir Home Popham'sexpedi.
Lion to Buenos Ayres, and connaled•with the origin
of that expedition at the Cape of Good Hope, which,
if Sir Home were not . abfent on the fervice of
his country, he fhould think it the duty of the
Houle to inquire into. The Noble Lord oppofite to
him, in the courfe of his long fpeech, had launched
out into a variety of extraordinary:matter, arid among
the reel, had aimed a perfonal flroke at him with
regard to economy. The Noble Lord feemed to
think, that the economy conneded with what he de-
rifively called tt the grand fyflem of Finance," was
the caufe of a damp being thrown upon foreign ex-
pediticns. Now, if the Noble Lord's Plan of Fi-
nance were to be taken tip by Parliament, which was
not very probable, the importance of economy would
be as apparent in that, as in any other fyftem. He
was anxious, however, that his (Lord HitißY
PSTTeb) economy, and that of his Noble Friend
lately at the head of the Treafury, fbould be
deafly underflood by the country. It was an eco-
notny which by hufbanding our refources and pre-
ferving our finances unimpaired, cnabled us to main-
tain, with the more vigour, a conteß never likely to
terminate Coon, and which the clofe of the negotia-
tion at Paris had marked as one that mull necelfarity
be ptotraaed. The Noble Lord thought that the
deliverance of Eiir,pe might have been effeeted two
or three times during the period in which the late
Adminialation were in office. What ! Had the No-
ble Lord forgotten that he had been talking of the
deliverance of Europe eve, fence the year 1793 ! Not
expence—not armies—not lubfnlies, had bet!) want-
ing to effed that deliverance. He would ativife the
Noble Lord to tecolleet thofe events, and Wilt to be
fo injudicious as to refer to them. Let the Noble
Lord point out the fpecific moment in the tall cam-
paign, in which he thought the deliverance of Eu-
rope might be effeaed. Not at the commencement;
for, at that period anAdminiftrasion exitled in Ruffia
holtile to the interelts of Great Britain, as was
evinced by the flatement of the Right Hon. Gentle.
man to-night, in juailictrion of the advance made to
Pt uaia, that Count Hardenbet g had been replaced
in the Cabinet of Berlin. Nor even'- when Baron
Jacobi arrived in London,"avas he loth-titled to give
up that firlt I oint, becanfe. the point of honour,
namely, to renounce the claims of Pruilia to Hann.
ver. Would the Noble Lord fay then, that was the
moment for co-operation with Priam ? After the
battle of Eylau, perhaps ? Let the Noble Lord re
collea, that after the &II exaggerated reports of
that event had gone by, and intelligence on which re-
liance could be placed was received, there did not
appear any thing in the battle, or in the occurrences
which immediately billowed, that could induce any
very fanguine hopes of fuccefs. The Baltic too was
(lint, and it was impoffible to fend troops. But the
great complaint of the Noble Lord vas, that the
means left by his Majelly's late Minitlers tor fitting
lout expeditions were very frnall, and that he had ex-
perienced c mfiderable difficulty in encreafing them.
He was glad to hear that the Noble Lord had found
the commercial tonnage of the country in lurch a pro•
fperous (late, that it was nor eafy matter to procure
tranfports. Ti.i, was an admillion that the trade of
the country had at lead not fuffered in the hands of
the late Government. But the Noble Lord conten•
ded, that the delay in fending the expeditions from'
April to the prefent time was attributable ((tidy to
the want of preparation by his predeceffor•. It was
fome confolation, i..twever, to recoiled the interval,
between the battle of Ulm (which occurred in Oftu•l
bee) and the failing of Lord Cathcart (which did not
take place till January); at that pet int' the pt efenti
men were, and for a long time had been, in Rice, li
fo that if the delaying of an expedition Inuit always
be ascribed to a want of preparation, that want of
preparation, in the cafe to which he had alluded, vv.ts
entirely their own. Adverting to the occui ences of
thole times, he took the opportunity of expreffing
his regret, that the warning voice of his late Right
Hon. Friend (Mr. Fox), hal not been liftened to
with more attention by the Gentlemen oppofite.—
They had coalefced with the Continental Powers—
they had created no diver lion before the fall of Ulm,
and three months after that unfortunate event, they
had Cent ont an expedition, which returned loaded
with difgrace, not to the Commanders, but to thofe
by whom it had been projeeted, and by whom it had
been ordered to fail, at a feafon of the year st hen it
was expofed to a fate which a part of it experienced,
and for which he fhould ever confider that Admini•
flration as deeply culpable. Of any refponfibility
incurred by his Majetly's late Minillers, in abifaining
1 from fending out numerous expeditions, he begged
that he might have his full (hare
" Nufmet rebus fervanrus focundis."

With regard to any pt ()tulles of afliftance held 001 to
the Continental Powers, unquellionably circum.
fiances might have arifen, in which it would
have beefl eligible to afford fuch affifiance but thole
circumliances had not arifen while the late Admi.
niltration were in office, nor had any filch promifes
been-held nut. None with regard to men—as to
money, Lord Hutchinfon was certainly empowered
to make advances to Pruflia. As to Ruffle, the was
defending her own frontier, and the only call which
the made on the late Minifiry, was a call which the
Government of this country would under po circum.
fiances be jullified in acceding to. The Noble Lord
oppof►te knew what he meant. He repeated his de-
mand for a full (bare of the refponfibility attached to
the conduit of the late Adminillration. If they had
not purfucd the courfe of economy which they did
purfue—if they had hazarded and waned the re-
routes, which they poreffed, in fruitlefs Continental
exertions, and had left the home defence unprovided
for, they would have junly deferved the reproaches
of the Honfe and the country.
Mr. CANNING wilbed to recal the memory of the
Committee .to the real queflion before them, which
was, whether they would vote ifio,oool. to his Man
jelly, to nuke good the fubfidy advanced by the late

anci *indent Admitaraibri to 'the nig bt litte.fia.
• He felt it his duty, in prnpofing the motion to the
Committee, to explain all the circumllances of the
. cafe; bat the obfervations of a Right Hon. Member
(Mr. Whitbread) had produced a wide and defultory
field of difcuffion ; for which, however, he was not
forry, as it had led to the acknowledgment of a fa&
from a Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Windham)
:before doubtful, but which to him, at the prefent
moment, was of the highell value. This was an tin-
equivocal declaration that his Majetly's 13. e Mini(lers
•never had• the flighted intention to have aff oded
any aid to our Allies on the Continent, either in men
or money, towards the falvation of Europe. This
relieved him from the pain he had fo long experi-
enced in his official fituation ; for never did he feel
more feverely the preffure of an Herculean talk,
than in endeavouring to reconcile the Continental
Powers under the difapprobation and indignation
they fek at the condua of. this country, in confe-
.quence of the non-performance of thole promifes
whist they certainly confidered had been pledged
by his MajellY's late fslinifters, to furnith them with
aid both in troops and money, and for which they
long looked with anxious expectation. The Right I
Honourable Gentleman had this night difclaimed '
any Each intention, but the Noble Lord teemed to
have acknowledged our intention to offer aid to our
Allies in cafe it Arnold be wanted. If our Allies
were vietorious, in the hour of vietory they might
rely on our co-operation, to divide with them the
triumph, and (hare the fpoils ; but if they fhould be I
defeated, and found it nece(fary to retreat, they were I
not to look to us for any fnpport. Thus it was, that l
wrapt up ioffhin nurfelves, and,aroxions only for our i
ownlecurity, our .Minifters were content to witnefs
call* the prnflration of Europe; while our croon.
miN.f.hancellor oldie Exchequer hu(binded all our
rat-wes, and would rilk nothing in aid of thole allies
who were bravely exerting every nerve,and (bedding
their hearts' blood, to effect that falvation of Europe,
, of.wliich no man talked heretofore with greater zeal
than the Noble Lord lately at the head of his Ma-
jelly's councils (Lord Grenville) and who, he foppo-
fed, was now become a convert to the economical
principles of the Noble Lord, late Chancellor i f the
Exchequer. In the recent cafe of Pruffia, it was not
like fubfidizing a Pruffion army fent beyond their own
frontiers to fight our battles. Was it to be fuppofed
that the would make a voluntary abandonment of her
efforts, when the was abfolutely fighting for her cliff-
ence ? Could :coy man doubt that her heart was
deeply engaged in the caufe ? Thrice did the re-
fufe offers of peace, and the reltoration of her domi.
Pions, unlefs with the concurrence of Ituffia and
England. By the very nature of the conteff, the was
molt fincerely and vitally engaged in it. As to the
furnifhing of arms and limes, that was a mode !colt
likely to be made available to French purples
and politics. But, in fait, every fecoricy was given
which the nature of the cafe could offer. Ruffle had
made no pecuniary demand upon us ; but had merely
ofleed permiffion to negaciate a loan in this country.
I He fhould not have found any difficulty, when this
1 fubjeCt was mentioned, in acceding to the reqtieit,
from every view of the fobjeCt, confidering all the
acknowledged good faith of Raffia exemplifi..d in the
tranfaftions in Holland: but when he came into p iwer,
there was no further queltion upon that point. Rudio
had difclaimed fobfidies, which was .1 circumltance
highly honourable to her. But with regard to Pruilia,
the was unable to make war without Ruffia, who was
onlubfidized, and yet Prudia refuted to make peace
without Rutlia. Unlefs the Houk was determined
not to let a (billing efcape out of the country, he de
lied the imagination of man to conceive a fitter oto
len for fubfidy than Pruilia. Government were alio
iiipafed to afford Pi uffia military afliffance. He
could not at prefent enter invidicufly into that quef-
Lion with the late Adminifiration, efpccially as they
Iti.l they had no fuch intention : but had they not
held out a promife, and inculcated one fentiment
Abroad, and felt and aeted upon quite another at
home He hoped and trotted that the Houle and the
countt y,ar cl, the Continent would learn to whom it was
owing that affifiance was withheld. What mull be the
full thing (aid by the Emperor of Rtillia to the Britith
arnhaffaci r,why do you offer no afliffance?your only an-
fwer is, we have made no expren promife. Why, when
we are in thedaily habit of taking prifoneronot merely
regular troops, or confcripts of France, but men
I
1 from the molt dittant parts of that country and from
Italy, is it noopoffible for you to make fome diver-
lion, and keep fome of there people from coming
to fight on the confines of Ruffit ? What anfwer have
you to this? He thanked the Hon. Member who had
introduced this difcudion, for the opportunity he had
given him. If it was the intention of the la,e Mini-
Rers to throw off all connection with the Continent,
they deferved great praife ; not for their coinions,
but for the mode they took of carrying them into
effeEt. They had let to work diliger.tly and zealoufly,
but if they did abandon the Continent, did they ex-
ped to carry on war, or to make peace better, by
teaching .he continent to abandon them ? It was by
no means lb true as it was frequently afferted, that we
had (offered fo much by trolling to the Continental
Powers. They had not always made peace and left us
to our (elves ; but, on fome occafions negnciations had
been commenced by us. In this war Ruffia and we
were upon equal terms. Ratio entered into it from
high fpirit and magnanimous views; her perfonal views
were very remote, compared with thole of Pruffia ;
remote even from ours. If it be Paid Ruda abandon
ed us, her anfwer might be, that we bad not, as the
phrafe was, bought her blond by our fiffifidies ; that
the had done all for herfelf ; that the had made' a
glorious Rand ; but that Englifh promifes had
vanifhed into air ; and that, after (hewing a noble
firmnefs, Ilse had at fall confulted her own fecurity,
(her Wety the could not feel greatly endangered) in
making peace. We Hood now on different grounds
from thole in which we flood in any former war. 'We
were deprived of limilar confolations Then we might
fay. they left us alone to fight the battle, but now we
had deferred the Continent. The part Ruffia had
played had difclofed the energies of a great and
powerful empire, (offering much by flruggling, un-
aided anctunafNed, in the arduous comet. Unlefs
the Hoofe could be brought to think that the diftrac-
tion of the enemy was not a diverfion, they muff be
`af opinion, that greater exertions were necelrary,
and ought to have been made by the laff AdminuO
aration, than any thing they did for our Continental
eannealoss.
7 the SOLICITOR_ GENERAL for Scotland pro-

I feted **inn the charges made again-a a gallant
officer, Sir Home Popham; in his abfence, and con-
'tended that in his appointment there was no departure
from the rules of fervice. _ _

Mr. HOBHOUSE "(the Chairman) ebferved that
it was irregular to purfue a line of obfervation upon
topics not immediately conneaed with the fubjea in
difcullion. On this, however, he wilted for the in-
llruainn of !he Committee.
Mr. Vtfir'BßEAT) obferved, his own views of
•policy Were diametrically different from thrift of the
Right Hon. Gent' man who iptle lafl, who had at-
tributed to him opinions he never held and affections
he never made. He'pr..feffed to have ltrong atrac'a-
ments—but much as he elleemed hi% Frier:J.. he
would fay, that if the Right Hon. Gentleman would
bring forward his charge, and ftibilantiate it, he lhould
give his vote is its fay ore. He was moth relieved,
however, when he found that the Right H tn Secre-
tary, like the Noble Lod his c tlleagne, ab.ainded in
inch grog's milreprefentations, and had Ihewit nich a
total contempt for all the hilitny of the tall 14 years.
—Would the Right Honourable Gentleman contend
that Pruffia had played that great part that he at-
tributed to the Continemal Powers ? What was it
boat the misfortunes of that Power that now created
our fympathy ? He lamented our fallen greatnefs't
But England had not always the praife of adhering
to her Allies. England did defert the unhappy and
miferable King of Sardinia. England had purfued
a fatal and baneful policy from the beginning of the
war, and through all its progtef%; and from what-
ever caufe it mole, as far as he could learn, the had
been too much the execration of the Continent. The
Right Honourable Gentleman bad with thine dexte-
tit y alluded to the former lentiments of Lord Gren-
ville, c...ncerning Continental Affairs, and declared
that the Continent had been deceived. But where
was the engagement that had been broken? His
Noble Friend (Lord H. Petty) had Rated that Go-
vernment had never made any pnfitive promife for any
particular time or purpnir. Thus, lays the Right Hon.
Secretary, you held out exaggerated 'tripes, beeaufe
you did not Rate exprefsly what you would do. He •
could not underlland what he meant by exaggerated
hopes, when nothing particular was promifed
Was there any charge of a tingle °per atinn having
been milcalculated from hope of Britifh aid ? Nothing
of the kind. Then comes a molt grnfs mifreprefen-
tation about the hopes held nut, and the expeaation
entertained by the King of Sweden of a force of ca-
valry. The Noble Lord had declared that in fuch
promife a hope was held out. Then, laid the Noble
Lord ingeniontly, there were no tranfports, and
therefore you meant to lend no men at all ! Was this
a fair conclufi rn ? Let th.,fa Gentlemen bring for.
ward their charge for the lapprfed aband,,nment of
the C•mtinent. They bad refofed his motion for an
enquiry into the Rate of the nation, which would - •
have given them an opportunity r.f difclofing thefe
things ; and now they make their chatge% in an un-
looked for manner. The difcuflion of the national
politics did not fuit thew, though now and then it
might ferve fome purples in the entitle of a debate..
Was the prefent Adminiiiration competent to dire&
the affairs of this country ? It was faid, " Can you
conceive a power in a Situation fitter f,r fending a
to than Prullia ?" Perhaps not, for a mode-
, rate firm; but what had the to give in exchange for
fa large a firm as a million of money, as was projec-
ted by their treaty ? He had no objeNion to lending
a lupply of alms. Piiitii,i, it is laid, refitted peace
thrice. He did not with to bear hard. But look at
her littrati..n. She had plunged into the war by a
fort of infane ra(hnefs, and it was impoffilale for us to
reicne her. Gentlemen on the oppolite fide wilted
us to prefs the queflion upon her, refpeaing Hano-
ver, with OM greater vigour. Did not Pruffia force
het fell into war for Hanover ? She would not give it
up. Then came the rapid events that commenced
ith the battle ofJena, and ended with that of Fried-
land; events which no Britith force could avert. But
when peace was offered to Pruffia, bow flood the with
Ruffia ? Vas the not between two powers ? Was the
a free agent ? When the fled from France, the was in
the hands of Ruflia, anctincapable of aaing indepen-
dently. As to the life made by the Rip,lit Hon. Secre-
tary, of the name of Lord G:enville, he hoped he did
not mean to forego his former praifes, and the high
opinion he proleffed fa often to entertain of that
Noble Lord. He Rated, that he had' the happinefs
to agree with that Noble Lnrd in his oppofition ta,
the Spanifh war, which his Lnrclfhip oppofed with
greater ability than any other perfon, with the excep-
tion only of his late departed friend, Mr. Fox. The
Tall Miniflers, the Ilonfe would recollza, found the
country at v'ar jug after the battle of Atiflerlitz and
the peace of Pr efburg, and Ruffia in an undetermined
Rate. P. ullia negleaed the opportunity faid to have
been offered to her, and which, it was laid, would.
have tinned the fate of Europe. It had been fince
Paid In of Aultria ; hut Ruffia offered her wnt,le force
to Pruffia, and Pruffia refuting it, went afterwards, in
the rathnefs of infanity, to war, for Hanover. After
all, here we were without an ally ! If the improvi-
! dente of the late Adminiaration had produced this
1 misfortune, the prefent Minillers ought to make their
charge again(' them. If not, they ought not to throw
out mifreprelentatir us and calumnies. He concluded.
with vatirus other remarks, and apologized] fur
troubling the Committee In long.
Mr. Secretary CANNING explained, that he
derflood the late Minilters to have feen no oppertu•
nity for fending out military aid. He found the
tecurity of Prulfia not in charaler but circumflances.
Mr. WHITAREAD reminded Mr. C. that when
it was propored formerly to fubfidize Praia atter her
drfeaion, he made a motion againli it.
Mr. CANNING did not recoiled the fa Et, but
charged Mr. W. with 'wailing Ruffian neutrality ;
the fame line was purfued by Mr. Fox, but he did
not with to fay any thing difiefpeafulto the memory
of departed great men.
Mr. WHI !'BREAD faid Praia might appear
wrong in many refpeas, not all. There was no pub:
lie opinion he maintained in common with that great
man, now nn more, in which he did not believe he
(hould live and die.

Mr. WINDHAM rnfe to explain himfelf from
tome mifreprefentations of the Secretary of State.—
He liked his ingenuity and eloquence, but aid not
think his arguments the moil refpeaahle. He imputed
opinions and affertions to Gentlemen, that he might
anfwer them himfelf, by which means he had always
enough to fay. A man may very eafily be affluent,.
who coins his own money. There was no want of •

words, where we had a trianufaaory of epithets. The
Right Hon. Gentleman went on blab', f©r he rode.
very U ,hr, and carried nn weight. He then filmed
the difference between the fyllem of the laft Mini-
fters as t• 1 col tinental affairs, and that which was im-
puted to them. They had not teen any proper op-
portunity for a diver Gon, or they would have made
it. They had made no p;omife, and neglated it.
After various explanatory remarks, he begged Gen-
tlemen to prier their charges fairly and ferioully,
and he would meet them. He recpiefled the Houle
to mark the Right Hon. Secretary's receipt for mak-
ing fpeeches. He put all forts of ridiculous things
into the mouths of his political opponents, that he
might make out his fpeech by alSwering them. He
made them fomething like a fecoud per fon in a dia•
logue, who was made to talk a gond deal of nonfenic,
to fet off his opp nent in the argument. But though
be liked eloquence very well, he conld not praife the
relpedability of the Right Hon. Gentleman's argu-

snents.
Mr. CANNING laid, he did not feel bound to 11
make any charge.
Sir J. I'ULTENEY laid a few words, when the
refslution waT put and canted.
The SECRETARY at WAR then fla•ed, that it
was his intention to pr.:Tole a fmall incleafe to the
Waggon train, inflead of a reduaton : for this put-
pate he propofed a vote of 51 ,9001.
Mr. WINDHAM Paid, that he had great doubts
of the utility of this increafe of the Waggon Train.
P- withed t knew whether much tile was to be made
of I to the expedition about to fail t
• aie SECRETARY a. WAR Owed, that the wag-
gon train was on the rflablifliment now propofed be
fore the reduai )n which had been made by the late
Mr. CALC RAF l (lied, that the redueicm was
from ten compaot• s to f .Itr, which was, as he con•
ctived. fully foffirient.
Mt. HUSKISSON (Ad, Oa-, in fact the corps had
never been :educed, ahh•.tigh it was in cnntempla•
tion to seduce them in J Anna, y
LortICASTLE It F. AG H knew that it had been the
intent inn of the late Mioilter. to reduce thi,; eit ablith,
silent, but he very much suieiti•,ned the policy of this'
tel•luti^n. The fit of inn Celle was. undt.tt3tedly made
with a view to the expetlit; n then preparing for
frliilland. If, however, it wire only c oifidered with
a view ofhome let vice and defence, he thought that
a c :nfiderable waggon train was HecelTary. We
might as well have artillery wi h, ut drivers, a.
waggons without drivers or herfe*. In cafe of inva-
fior, R wtluld be very important he Able to move
the neceffaty notes expediti .ufly to the place of their
dellination. _

Mr. WINDHAM allowed that tl.e eflimate now
prefen!ed tuna be voted. He d uhr.d, however,
very much the policy at. large an eftobli'nment. He
agreed with the Noble Lord that it wiadd be need.
fry to have drivers in readinefs, even for the (late
of home defence, but he did not fee an equal recd
thy for having the hinnies alto in readinef', as is the
cafe r f inv ifion, there could he no doubt but that we
ynigla eafily command as many horfts as vice cattle.%
poffibly want. When he was in Adirdoiaration, he
had propoted a redaltion, and in to doing it was evi-
dent hr was nor looking to ;:ate nage.
The SECRETARY at WAR (aid, that he (h uld
content him'elf at prefent with propraina the ref,,ltt-
ii n for the prefent yee.r, and he .fhould abltain horn
giving any opinion of the generA policy.
The ref. lotion was agreed to.
The SECRETARY. at WA R 11-. en moved a reto•
lation for an addi.ional inns of lysoool. for itifpeding
Field Officers. He 'linnet it evident that not only
for the day c.f review, but fur the previou. prepara.
&ins, infpeelinns were very sect fret y, and kept up
the fpirir of the volunteer corps'.
Mr. WINDHAM did not confider thefe
officers at all neceffary, and had lie trd them gene-
rally objeded to by the Volunteers themfelves. AU
the volunteer officers he had fpoken with teemed to!
with to get rid of them as a nuifance. They thought
ae he did, that they might be as well reviewed by
the commanding t‘fficlrs of the difirid. The Gen
tlemen of the other fide had. however, happily did.-
coveted upon the eve of the general deficit, that
thote infpeding field c 6 •ers were necefftry. They
bad then found that the V lunteers were& defcriptiun
of force which might have been made peculiarly ufeful.
They were not like the Regulars, polled in defiles
and paffes, and to prated crofling of rivers, but they
were 3c.0.000 men difperfed over the country, many
of them pirating votes in counties, and a great
number having votes in hnroughs—(a laugh). At
that time, the prefent M nillers found it very conve•
nient talV a great deal ah tut Volunteers, and to
peontife them infpeeti .g officers, and incrrafe of pay.
Trlow that their obit& was anfaered, he hoped that
they might be brought to content to reduce the effa•
blifilments, and get lid of the infpeding field officers.
• The SECRE CARY at WAR withed to know
whether, during theAdminitt ration of the Right Ho-
nourable Gentleman, 1114: corps had been lapelled
in the manner he recommended. by the Generals of
inflead of the Irfpelling Fiefs: Officers ?
(Htae, hear, from tie Alinillerial Beneber.) He contend-
ed that there was a confider able falling off in theVo
lunteer etlablifhment during the Administration of
the Right Hon Gentleman.
Mr. WINDHAM adml-ted Tome relaration, but
raid, that it was from the nature of things. and by
no means began under the late Adminiaratian.
General TARLETON fp, ke of the great event
of he Military di,h iEt that he had the honour to com•
mand, and 'sated that 30,000 men might be brought
tr-ni it in a few d ys for the defence of the met, o•
polis. He admitted ,hat the Volunteers were fo fat-
tidious, that they prefer, ed being reviewed by a Lieu.
Mani General to being revieued by a Major General,
and by a Major General rather than a Brigadier-
General ; hitt as it was impoffible to find Lieutenant
Gerera! enough to review them ail, he thought thole
Inspecting Field Officers were abf lutely oecelfary.
MI. CALCRAF Owed, that before his Right
Hon-surable Ft lend (Mr. Windt. an) came into office,
site Volunteer F. me had decreofed from aoa,ooo to
V 3.000. and during his Adniinillration they had
fallen If in a mirth lefs proportion, not having de.
created above 20 or 25,000 mea. He remembered
that he himfelf, as a Volunteer. had been infpeded
by Maio Generals and Lieutcnint Generals, and he
did not tee why that pradice might not he continued.
The gallant General (General 'Carleton) had now
Ids head tingteis at Bath, and it was a great pity

that the Pat liament did notthen fit acre, as in fah
a cafe the gallant General could reconcile his fens-
.torial duties with the duties of commanding officer
of the and in loch cafe he might again ho-
nour the Voluntees Co far as to review therm
General TARLETON laid a few words in ex.
planatisn, and imputed to the Honourable Gentle-
man great military ignorance.
Mr. ROSE then fpolce in favour of thelnfpelling
Fiel'l Officers.
Mr. BERESFO RD (poke highly of the frifh Vo-
lunteers, whom he Rated to have been much difeou-
raged by the I tlguage of Mr. Windham.
The SOLICITOR GENERAL of Scotland,
fpnke in praife of the Scotch VAunteers, whom he
silo Rated to have been very much difcouraged by
the lanluaze of Mr. Windham.
Mr. WINDHAM laid the arguments of the lafl
H moon:bit Gentleman was merely to the old tune.
" No pay, no Stoics." This Wonderful relaxation of
the fpirit of the Scots voluitteets, was to be attributed
to Tome diminution of theformet allowances. If how.
ever the number of the Scots Volunteers was much
dimitrifhed. it mull be allowed,, that this diminution
began long before he came into offize, or had any
profpeft of coming into office, and therefore there
Gentlemen muff have had the gift of fecond fight,
to know both that he wou'd come into office, and
what he was to propofe. He had often objeaed to
what was called the volunteer fytlem : but as to the
individuals themfelves, it was impoffible that any one
could pretend to turn into ridicule the population of
England. Ireland, or Scotland, or that proportion of
the population which evidently appeared molt ardent
in the general defence. As to what an Honourable
Gentleman had raid about the difgrace of criatination
and recrimination between the different parties. he
agreed. fo far in that opinion. that he did not wills
uoneceffarily to indulge in it ; but if it obvionfly oc-
curred in the course co; a difcuffion, he was not con-
tent to pair off--( .1 laugh). .
Mr. ROSE. jun. (p Ice of the corps to which he
belonged, and whicit was leave ever reviewed by
any proper offices. He wont(' fay, at the time they
were reviewed, if they had praftifed the exercifes of
the Kalmucks, or of the Chinefe, the reviewing Ge.
neral would have know.. nothing about it.
Dr. LAWRENCE Paid, he recolleEled a very dif
ferent hittory refpeCting that corps. They were a
corps that wanted greater allowances to_ o
bi made to
them than what was ulna). A Right Knouratale
General (Ger.er.d Tarleton) had in his expLtnation
accufed all Honourable Friend of his (Mr. Calcr af,)
grofs ignorance in military matters. The Houle
would however rec•illeft, that, about a flrtnight ago,
the Honourable Gentleman had ex- red ail his midi.
tary calculation, to perfoade the Hance that Bona.
pat to had advanced to far in Poland, that it was ilex:
to impollible he fhluld ever be able to retreat. After
fo recent a promulgation of his miiiary opinions, he
thou lit tae Hottfa would not belies that every nti.
litai y mtin was completely ignorant of his pr
who might differ in opinion from the Hon. General.'
Genet at Ti-IRLETON laid a few words in expla-
nation.
After force conrerration between General Loftus,
Mr. Berrsf. r.l, Mr G. Role, the Secretary at War,
Sir George Hill, Mr. Windham, and Mr. Shaw Le-
Fevre, the C,,mmittec divided.
For the Vote F 4,
Againtt it 24.---I.lajority 60.
A Vote of Credit rf 4.,500,0001. was then pared
for Great B:itain, ana 500,00.01. for Ireland, to be
granted to his Majclty, to meet the exigency of pub.
sic aifairs.—Aejoutned at HALF PAST ONE O'CLOCK.