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,ealas already a precelent 'to gist t" 7eiNeetion of the title dyed. But 4se,triti:anti 4;44
~.vin-tht case Ai :bis klenouvable Ft iend 1 01.4entiertrin saes he has got a • precedent : and tine
le.
..erberefeir Lanark, Did any one suppole that , . qt- mu was, did that precedent hpply? The ninti
cause he4llAd•got the same information relative to the i.fierf Scotch electors had, he believed. been called
feeehOldesi of Sentlandi. that that, sweeping Iteerirm for in in the-case of Ireland. and the call wit, easily
ettpected by the Right Honourable Gentleman was a I answered, for the freeholders werere,ti,,ere(l. Bak
:bit the 'nearer, ?•,( Hear, hear).—He had. seen no i.was this done through. the med. ea 0f,,,a. Comrni
symptoms of the public alarm foretold in such eland if not, how did the prec ,nt apply? Int • •
juncture of circherstaoces, arid if, it hed not Lame isdeparted from the means formerly pursued Tor
fro a person of the Hight Itoneurable tienifemans I same professed object, how could they preveat -till
rank and station, he should say It was a mere chimeta. inference that some 'stake .views actuated them ?..,..
The question•was, whether the mode of seeking this
'Wean Addeli 051, if no lean- view
information was of a Parliamentary nature or not? Noble Letd, how.caine jt.tlaat;in none A.
and here. was a case in point—a . precedent
.which, rel.:A*s.9e the subject or ltectuns- „bid is,
with all his acuteness, the Right Honourable Gentle- matter,' until "the Tion.,,Wemb'ee !. tlt!
man had not ventured to allude Co. The motion then Creeveykgeve him ille.,bint ? " fli at 04
Was useful in its nature, and ,proper in. ite,fotter. right by a eirptionot thie,leira to 'prejl
Useful, to enable them to comparethechaegeswhleli cutsionon-the.que4l2l4.4,l44'or*L Let
had taken place in population with the „aurehauged., he met fairly, and npilieceight infix a s
state, of the elective franchise ; and &Mier, by the ens manner. On the ginutill,Lthererore, ._
precedent which lie had quoted.. And eigethey,-to not wish*, prejudice the greas question OTrt-.....,,
forego this merely because the Right Flononeabte military Reform, he 60950 tie motion.
Gentleman admitted what he found it difficult to . Lord J. 11.USSELI. Wished to know,, whetter-%
Oily ?—( Hear, hear).---The fact was; 'the 'Right Was to understand the Tiiiht HOnourable Secifiritettit
Honourable Gentleman. had a fearful eye on the Ilth thatif he moved fer a Return he would not oppose
Of March, and, he felt that this information if Ob- If so, he would give up the motimelor a Cottienitilie:
tained would make a deep impression on.the minds Mr. Secretary I'E4 *Mild be teedy to meet ar
of many persons, And assist his Noble Friend's Mo- otipn the. RaslesLord might think,proper to niake.
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tion eventually. And so far he could agree with Buti he could not allow, himself to be drawn in to
him, inasmuch as there was a great feeling in the pledgehierielZherei:ehand which course he would take.
minds of a vast portion of this country as to the Mr., OAM/a having, been aHuded to as the per.. .
necessityOf Reform. Bat because the imagination son Who originally suggested the motion before t,.
of the Right Honourable Gentleman was alarmed at fleuse, would brief!), repeat the grounds upon whiel
the approaching 11th of March, the House was not he had suggested it. He bad stated to the HouseN,
to be deprived of what it had a just right ,so expect. that the population had increased from five millions
Then as to the second ground of objection to the mo- to eleven millions within a given period, but thic
tion, which, as he said, was founded in exaggeration while the population was so increasing, the mono-
of his Noble Friend's views, the fact was, that his poly of the elective franchise remained exactly where
Motion had nothing at all to do with the Charters:— it bad first been, and the :number of electors not
But. theßight Hon.Geutleman supposed that his Noble much increased. With airiew, therefore, to ascot..
Friend was to be assisted by some astute persons, for taro and expose the exact ratio in which the two had
the 'purpose of picking holes in them all. It was not proceeded, as i egarded each other, he. pr ovosed that
so, but merely to ascertain what constituted the -that course sh,.uld be taken which ha . been adopted
right of voting in the different boroughs ; and that by his Noble Friend. The Right 1-1(1,6 Gentleman
this would be a most useful, and was a most neces- opposite (Mr. Canning) said, he was ready to admit
sary inquiry, could not be denied, when so few Officers that the Members were, as he stated they were, and
really knew distinctly what did constitute that right, thereupon wished to put a stop to the motion. This
which they were every day called upon to decide.— was the first time that such language had beenheld
Beyond this it was the object of the motion to ascer- by the Minister of the Crown to that House. Ho
taro the number:of freemen in each place. It might be never had in view the calling of the Charters in ques-
true that, in a large place like Liverpool, to which, no Lion, and he considered the House bad a right to the
doubt, the mind of the Right Hon. Gentleman natu- information. In former times, there was'an Act One
rally recurred, it would be hard to make this return; hibiting every man from voting who was not actually
but in all such cases the greatest number that .had a resident in the Borough.; and at one time there
ever voted at an election would he deemed a suffi. was. an attempt made to repeal that Act, in the reign
dent answer. He thought he bad made it out clear of Queen Elizabeth, hut it tailed, the.dill not getting
that his Noble Friend was entitled to his, motion— beyond the. Committee. It would be well to contrast
(Hear, hear).—And why the Right Hon. Gentleman the language of that period with the practice of.the
should deny this motion he could
.not understand, present times. The Honourable Meuher then reid
unless it were that he thought it would make for an extract from the speech of some Hon. Member
that question of which he was the known advocate in a former Parliament, which. recited.—" That a
and champion—Wear, hear).—For his part he cared Duke of the realm wrote to a certain Borough, salr.
little whether it was carried or not, when regarding ing, that there was something to come on shortly Ile
it in that point of view; because he was satisfied that Parliament, upon which lie was to summon ail his
more good would accrue to the cause of Reform by friends; and that as he considered them among ,t his
the refusal than if it were, agreed to—(Hear).—For friends, he sent them four name=, begging they
what would be the construction of every plain ra. would elect two out of them to return to IPAI imment.
tional mind upon such conduct? Would not such -,-They answered the Duke in all humbleness, that
a mind naturelly ask this question—" What can in- they .were prohibited by law from doing that \Oriels
duce the HOuse of COmmons to refuse This informa. he desired of them, and many others answered in'the•
dour—rear, hear).—Such, lie- contended, would same way; by the law, saying that liberty, was a loss
bete e'chet of it—and what 'would be the plain ra- of liberty, if left to act as they pleased in such mat-
done' answer to that question? It would be this— ters, without being limited by lair." The Speaker
" Nothing, but that they are afraid of the disclosure r also observed, " that it were a pity but all. DOWIII had
—(hear, hear).—That was the light, and the' only answered in the same way, for then tiaery had. not
light in which the refusal would he'regarCled by the been,so robbed as they were." The Act which proliis
Public at large. . And then he put it .to the Right bited non-residents from voting bad existed rip to
Hon. Gentleman whether he would not hasten that the 14th of the htte King, and it was a pity it had
crisis which it was the object of his opposition to ever been repealed. They should then not see as f(ie)f
retard or prevent?—(Host, hear).—Then Would he did now; every day, not Peers merely writing to Bo-
not give that impulse to the public mind which he roughs, but Peer and purchaser going down togeiher.
dreaded—that
.mind being already prepared; and They would not now see Cornwall an open maihex
viewing with different feelings, in a different Wier for such purchasers as the philosophical Member for
and occupying itself with a greater earnestness now Bodmin could tell them it was; nor would it now-ar
than it had eeer before done,. with the daily ed. days be a topic of political conversation, as to what
vapcing.eause.of Aefostn....(M or, hedr).. . , . sums had been laid out in an investment. of freemen-
.-.• Mr. Secretary.. PEEL seid. that notwiffisitunfing , With regard to the question before the House, the
the speech of the Hen. and Learned Gentleman who Right 'Honourable Gentleman opposite (Mr. Ceti-
Iticliist iota town, he intended to resist the motion nirsg)- told- them he had turned the matter in bis
tOiore thiellouse upon precisely the same'grOpecls mind, and thought the appointment of a Committee
as thosiurged by his Right Hon. Friend, (Mr. Can. would not be available—and this was the only mi-
ning) and he was prepared to contend that the Atm surer that was to be made to it. The excellent speech
land Learned Gentle Man had not succeeded fn weak- of his Honourable and Learned Friend (Mr. Aber-
Autjug the foie, of those grounds—(Weir-onm the, cronsby), in favour of the notice, could not fail .to
.Opposition.) First of all, the Hon. and ,Leerned strike every one who heard it as unanswerable,: and
Genttenian set tut:with the inference that his bight lie hoped it would* prove so. -
Hon. Friend was afraid of thedistlotetesthat would Lord MILTON said he rose Merely 'for the pate-
' result, from the appointment of the Cotumittee. liow pose of ascertaining on what grounds the motion of
was it possible to draw such an inference when his -his 'Noble Friend was to be resisted.' it was ditficidt
first avowal Was, that he conceded all that could be to reconcile the objections of the Right Hon. Meas.
inked on that score ?..(1-fene, hear.) Could he then ber for, Harwich (Mr. Canning) with the bejections
le afraid Of discloinres, when he himself admitted of the Right Hon. Member for the• University of Oi.
their full Weight ? The Hon. and Learned Gentle- ford (Mr. Peel). The first defeneed his .opposition
stand/ en said he 'would begin by throwing aside all on the-broad ground that such things were as diey
the arguments of his Right Hon. Friend(Mr. Can- should be. The other Right Hon. Gentleman re-
nitig) in favour of'the .views of the Noble Lord--, sisted, by asking was it prudent to exeose thedefee-
(Lord J. Itunell).hensidering that ,the mover-Must dire state of representation in .13orouglis? : Wbal he
be the best judge of his -own intentions and interests. .(Lord Milton) Wished was, thatthey who voted on
Why this was Is if a Motion made by an Honourable the motion would ask themselves whether. they
Member in .that Rouse, became that Member's pri- grennded their dissent on the broad ground of. tie
Me property,-,and as if it was not competent to ,Right'llon.,Secretary (Mr. Canning), or on the ex-
the* Houseto discuss the object and tendency of every .pressed apprehensions, as to imprudence, of the Right
itiotiOn—(Near; hear.) - Admitting. this right, was it Hon. Member for the University ef Oifoid ?" Or,
trot a fairnse of it to affirm, that the views of the • hear). The Right Hon. Memberlor IfarWic was
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Mover would riot be assisted by the motion he had willing to give further information if he could dee*
framed, as the, information requited by-it ceeld not the means; the Right Htiii.',Meitiber for the'POO
be correctlY Otkiined ?:- Was it Prudent-to ezpose,the sity of Oxford's oppositiOn was riot to the muner pit,
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ectsofthe 4epresentatroe. 7-(1-1e9; from the op. to the information-,(Hear,. heer). • According, to
roadie. a.) .He (Mr. Peel). argued 'aiietkivring to the him, you might do-the tame. eke; in Scotland Ist,
''trews of the .NOlsle Lora,' and he-itifet, that if.fris the Boroughs in Scotland, is,inlEtiglao to ti1f.0411,""
,ibject.%vere to sheW the paucity 'of -Members upon holders, but iu Euglandit would Per impitidiow.,:*
which Representation rested,.-then, as regarded hiSs appeared -to hint (Lord Milion)•tlsiteshelsisotiqapf
object, he could only draw from it-an illegitimate his Noble Friend wasjlefectisfe,inaiii*Uriklkiiiti
inletenet. •if his real object were .merely to put a .itself to electors and vopulation, 'Without% Maud.
~single qhestion to the officers who were to -appear 'that on' which all .atlmitted •repreiet ilf
before the • Committee, why not put that question founded—he *meant the direct taxation:4;4d by
Wits ilie.'Comenittee?—(flear, hear.) If so, why Towns andtorporatiOns. .
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fellow.uphiemotion by a call for persone, papers, . .. Nl'. PRELEin exPlarlln.l:64 said tholo4i:SikiiirWat
and record'? How could he offer to limit the power, hbiestait":inshe,,,..lsdtgi:thteheintajle:tinioetrititofax..tmervb9 11. 06661,44",:iiiseriv'7iijow 4°114.14
or check the researches -of the CorriMitiee?. Might form,
he net-be permitted se have just alarms at seeing et any deficiency *their. coseitiatiop.....- jale"6lll.. j6..,..1F5.
Committee for euclepurposes invested with' unlimited . ..,,n'lgir -.ILI. v.iielvlrr.
The Bowe then divniad on, Lomta's!. mums., 4 •
powifie? -He .agreed .with his flight Hon..liriend, ,- . 41" • - - ~ po Noel - - Ili
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that the same vigilance and jealousy ought to silent . ;,,,,„1,1, ,htejerity ..,.t , . ,-I . • Pe; ,t • ..;..4:48 .-..
this species of right, as guarded Private property, • : Nr.. W. Win moved coat th'i'reki,kiiii-,;‘,.o)„,eetp,e
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