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called upon to provide. There were no pwers pro-
fined to chew that the wants were real. He defied
any Gentleman to say, from the speed! or the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer, whether the counny was at
peace or at war.—All that could be gathered was,
"Give me money, and prepare for war."—(A laugh.)
—Was that so satisfactory, that at the end of a 2
years? war Gentlemen should cheer?—(Near, hear.)
—Why was the House called upon to embark in such
a boat before they knew whether America was at
peace with us? If questions were asked as to the
state of affairs on the Continent, the reply was,
" This is not the time to answer ; you must wait."
When, therefore, the Right Honourable Gentleman
Called for money, the House should tell him, " This
is not the time to call for money, answer our ques-
tions first, or we will not vote you any."—(4 laugh.)
—What bad the Right Honourable Gentleman said?
why he had made. a sort of funeral oration en the
Property Tax ; he did not like to speak ill of the
dead. De moduli nil aiti Lonins—but it was not dead
according to the oration, but only slept.—(4 laugh.)
It was held out this night, according to hts speech,
its terrorem, as a means of war. There bad been

doubts as to its continuance. The Right Honour.
able Gentleman had not condescended to advise with
the proper Counsellors on the occasion, the Members
of this House; as he had chosen to take the advice

of a Mr. Gladtsanes, of Liverpool—he had taken
him as his Privy Counsellor, thinking it wiser to con-
sult any head than his wilt. In that he had acted
wisely—(4 lamgh)—but the people of Liverpool, so
far from consulting Mr. Gladstanes, would not hear
him k yet this Gentleman was to advise a serious in-

novatton in our system. The Right Hono*able
Gentleman strongly recommended the appointment
of a similar Committee to that of 1791, to sift into
the situation of the country and the expenditure.
Mr. Pitt had not done so ; he would not have called

fur such a Vole, without having armed himself with
a Committee.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
observed, that he had this night been providing for
votes passed on a former evening, a hich would be
the subject for future consideration when the Bills on
the Resolutions were introduced. With respect to
the observations of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Whit-
bread) if he or any other Gentleman had communi-
cated the intention of the trade on the subject of the
price of Beer. he should not have noticed it in the
House in the way he had done.
Mr. PONSONBY was decidedly against the mode.
if proceeding adopted by the Right Hon. Gentle-
man. He thought when the people had exhibited so
much patience, so much fortitude, and so much good
humour, during the war, they were entitled to some
respect. But how were they rewarded ? By keeping
them in ign.;rance of the nature of the wants of their
Government. Was any Gentleman acquainted with
the expense of any one head of the service ? To make
this country really fit to engage in a new war (if a
war should be necessary), was to reduce the expendi-
ture of the public money. No one would believe
that the Right Hon. Gentleman gave up the Pro-
perty Tax in consequence of the resistance made to
it by the people ; and if the people were but true to
themselves, they would oblige the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman and his colleagues to reduce their unnecessary
and wasteful expenditure—(Hear.)
Mr. MARRYATT contended, that the alteration
in the drawbacks and bounties on sugar would have
the effect of encouraging the Slave Trade, by giving
ihe sugar of the colonies of other countries a superior
advantage over our own in the markets of the Conti-
nent. He hoped the Chancellor of the Exchequer
i would amend this part of the scheme.
Sir J. NEWPORT said, that Ireland was a mil-
;ion below the interest of her debt and the Sinking
Fund; yet, with that fact staring himin the face, the
Chancellor of the Exchequer had held out to the
House, that two millions of his present plan were to,
come from that country. Now he wished the House'
to know, that this was a complete delusion, for Ire-
land could furnish nu such sum.
Sir JAMES SHAW said, the tax on shops was
attempted by Mr. Pitt, but he was forced to abandon
it. He therefore hoped the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer would abandon this tax, for it would fall on a
class of people unable to pay it.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, this tax bore no analogy to that of Mr.- Pitt ; for
that was one in proportion to the Tax on the dwelling.
Louse. But this being only Ss. 6d. on each window
of a shop or warehouse, was so small, that he hoped
the Honourable Baronet would not object to it. As
to Ireland being unable to pay her quota, she was
bound to supply it by the Act of Union, and he had
no doubt she would be able to do so.
Mr. BARING said, the scheme of the Right.
Hon. Gentleman was formed on an expectation that
the taxes would continue to be as productive as they
had hitherto been. A statement, founded on such an
expectation, must be utterly fallacious. For the al.
teration in the prices of bread and labour would.
make the taxes far less productive. Besides, the
mode Of bringing forward these propositions had been
most unusual. The Right Hon. Gentleman had
talked of the increase of our colonies. requiring an
increased establishment. But all these establishments,
should be examined 'by Committees, to see whether:
they could not support themselves, which he believed
they could be made to do by a little care. If he were
ratto3y informed, we had a Governor at the Cape or,
Hope, with a salary of £26,000 a year. [Mel
Chancellor of the Exchequer said 4110,000.] This'
salary might be only £lO,OOO a year; but be wished•
to know, if, with his other tides, such as Commander
of the Forces, the Governor did not make out full
£20,000 a year ? He reprobated the Chancellor of
the Exchequer taking leave of the departed property
tax with a panegyric. The weight of that tax fell on
trades and professions of the middling classes, in
which reepict be was convinced that the evil was ir-
remediable. There was not a tax in any country in
Europe so grievous as this, when it was recollected
that persons in business were exposed to be catechised
by the Commissioners one a year as to his ckum-
stencil, even to the most private of his concerns..
This tax, then, had better been allowed to depart
without a panegyric. He rejoiced that the country'
had got rid of it, and never would consent to its real
newel unless it were that a war should arise which
would thrones the subjpiption of th%country. ,
Mr. G. ROSE desired the Hosoumble Gendemem
to consider the state efilbecountry when the Proper(
Tax was imaged. 44 my:. 01 is of nala c