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with those by whom such excesses were
When such outrages were committed
daring violation- of the law, it was '
Governm nt to repress them ; and if
ois;',,sed to the execution of the laws le
ding of blood, the fault Was not in the
but in the persons who violated the laws.
must be asserted and maintained at all'
it was not from any want of feeling,.
want of abhorrence of the unnecessary
blood, but as a friend of humanity, that
say, that in such cases no good coup
concession to the people; that any yield, _
pare of Government, any relaxation of the law at
such a moment, could only lead CO the more exten-
sive effusion of blood. With respect, therefore, to
the dismissal of the officer who had neglected c*
that occasion to enforce the execution of the law aea
'cording to his duty and the orders he had receivedi
nitbough he was wholly disconnected with that actJ
)-et he did most heartily concur in the necessity ei
tis dismissal, in order to assert the dignity of the
Government, and to uphold the authority of the law.
The next point to which he should advert, was thi
charge of indecent haste in the conducting of the fu-
neral after it had left London. He would only beg the
House to call to mind the orders that had been gives:
to have everything in readiness along the road by
which the funeral was to pass, and the delay which
had been created by the illegal obstructions thrown'
in the way in its earliest stages, and then he would
ask, whether the officer who was charged with the
conduct of the funeral had any 'alternative, but to
make up by all possible haste afterwards for the Joss
of time occasioned by the obstacles which he had en-
countered ? With respect to the alteration of the
coffin-plate, it would be remembered that Government
had assumed all the responsibility of the management
of the funeral, that the executors had expressly de-
"dined to interfere, and had renounced any authority
which they might be supposed to have in the business,
and had lett it to the officer appointed by Govern-
ment to carry the arrangements for the funeral into ex-
ecution ; and notwithstanding all that, it was attempted
to put upon the coffin an inscription in these words :
o To the memory of the injured Queen of England."
Now he would ask, whether the officer could have
allowed such an inscription to remain on the coffin ?
If the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had been charged
wur ...e rangement of the funeral, if he had re-
tained the controul of the proceedings connected with
it, it might have rested with him in his discretion to
cause that inscription to be affixed to the coffin if he
thought proper; but under the actual circumstances
of the case, as they had been stated, bow could any
officer of the Government, consistently with his duty,
have permitted it? There remained but one other
point for him to notice, which was, the omission of
the funeral service at Brunswick. The only answer
he had to make on that head was, that the officer
charged with the superintendence of the funeral on
the part of this Government, on inquiring as to the
course which it was intended to pursue, was told
that the practice of the country would be strictly ob-
served .and it had been admitted by the Hon.. Gen-
tleman himself that no funeral service had been per-
formed in the case of the Duke of Brunswick ; and it
turned out, in point of fact, that the custom of the
country, in all similar cases, was precisely followed
in this instance. Having, he trusted, shown that the
course pursued in respect of this funeral was the same
-which had been followed in the instances of the other
members of the Royal Family ; and having, as he
conceived, fairly answered the several points which
had been dwelt on, and in so doing confined himself
szlictiy within the narrow limits which he had pre-
scribed to himself, agreeably to what he conceived
to be the wishes of the House, he should now sit
down, hoping that the-House would reject the propo-
sition of the Hon. Member for Shrewsbury.
Dr. LUSHINGTON said, that he should never
have revived the subject then before the House, if
the present motion had not been brought forward.—
That being done, however, it became his duty to give
his opinion, and to explain certain facts and circum-
stances with which he had been personally connected.
He should endeavour to follow the example of the
Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, by abstaining from
all topics which could be properly left out of the dis-
cussion. It had been his misfortune throughout the
whole of this unfortunate case, to incur blame from
both the parties connected with it. He incurred blame
from those who supported his Majesty's Ministers, for
having taken too active a part; and he incurred blame
from those who were rseculiarly called the Queen's
fr iends, for not having gone far enough in support
of the dignity and solemnity of the funeral ; and he
was afraid that he should still disagree with both sides
in some parts of the speech he was about to make.—
He had a difficult course to steer, and that which he
did, he conscientiously thought to be for the best :
above all, he had taken care not to suffer the exercise
of the power of that situation to which her Majesty
appointed him, to be polluted (for lie could call it
nothing else) by party motives—(Hear, hear!)—
lie trusted the House would pardon him if he went
into some details, for the purpose of explaining what
did occur, and what did not occur, with regard to
the ceremony of her Majesty's funeral. The moment
the decease took place, he dispatched a messenger to
Lord Liverpool, acquainting him with the fact. He
was then occupied during the night in arranging the
papers of her Majesty, which it was necessary should
be placed in a state of security. The next day, at'
twelve o'clock, he had his first interview with chef
First Lord of the Treasury. In giving the House an
account of what passed between himself and that
Noble individual, in his absence, he was sure that he

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jesty was then *airing to land ielsehlCA and the
country in a state of gteat anxiety, or that eventi
so that the greatest inconvenience must arise from ll
body not leaving the country with all possible a
decent dispatch. His Lordship further stated,
'it would be desirable to consider the body's bei .
on board as equal to interment. He (Dr.
ton) acceded at once to these proposals, for be sate
reason in them. He thought it desirous that the rei
' mains should beremoved with speed, as far as de!
corum and propriety would admit. He thought
so, because he felt that it would be a moc err.*
expect, that after all which had passed, the oy#
Personage who was then absent should be Tort
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whelmed with sorrow at his loss l—(lirear, lieeit+-.
But he afterwards found that the species of dross nos
cessary for the occasion could not be prepared in time.
He found also that there would be the greatest dilfi•
culties to encounter on the other side of the water....
He was informed that when they arrived at Stadt,
they would find no conveniences whatever for prose-
cuting the journey, with the retinue necessary to the
solemnity. He applied to Baron Best, the represen-
tative of the Hanoverian Minister, Count Munster,
and found that he had been correctly informed upon
this subject. He understood from the Earl of Liver-
pool that the time of performing the journey to Har-
wich was to be two days, if it could be done in that
time with due decorum and propriety, if not three
days were to be allowed. He then went to Baron
Best again, and inquired whether any specific ar-
rangements bad been made at Stadt for the convey-
ance of the corpse and the procession forward to
Brunswick ? He was informed by the Baron that no
carriages could be procured, that they could get no-
thing but German waggoners. A messenger was to
be sent to Stadt on the Tuesday, when the corpse
was to be removed from Brandenburgh House. As
this person had also to cross the sea, there was no pos-
sibility of his arriving at Stadt before the funeral;
and they would consequently find no orders given,
and be obliged to remain in the town for several days.
It would have been utter madness in him ;.o have
undertaken the conduct of the solemnity under such
circumstances. He was told that when he arrived
at Harwich the body would be delivered into his
care, with two undertaker's men and the hearse.—
In this condition they were to land at Stadt, where
nothing could be procured but German waggons,
and horses that were taken from the farms. It was
under these circumstances that he had given up all
the direction and responsibility of the funeral in vio-
lation to his own feelings and wishes. After this he
was naturally anxious that a person filling the rank
of a Gentleman, should superiqtend the smnity.—
It was due in decorum and in decency, that the fu-
neral of the Queen of England should be conducted
by a person filling at least the rank of a Gentleman.
He complained upon this ground, because he saw
with indignation the condition in which the Queen's
remains were left. On the morning of the 14th of
August, he repaired at an early hour to Broaden-
burgh House, where heinquired if any one was there
to take charge of the body ? For a long time nobody
appeared. At last a person came, who said he was
ordered to take charge of it; a person who had
nothing of the character which he had described as
necessary to the situation he was to fill. He (Dr.
Lushington) asked him for his authority, when he
produced the paper for regulating the ceremonial.—
Upon his remonstrating as to the insufficient nature of
the authority, this person asked him if he meant to
oppose the removal of the body by force? He answered,
certainly not. There could be nothing farther from
iris wishes than to violate the decorum of a death-bed.
With regard to the use of the military, he begged
leave to dissent from what had been said by his Ho-
nourable Friend upon that subject. He always cogr
sidered a guard of honour necessary upon the occa-
sion, and that they were sent as a due mark' of re-
spect to her Majesty. The Honourable and Learned
Member then explained why he did not admit the
Public into Brandenburgh House on the morning of
the funeral. It was impossible to admit all thd pa
pulace, and the difficulty of issuing tickets was in-
compatible with the haste necessary to be observed.
The body then set off, and he accompanied it, but
had no auth wity whatever. Upon the first stop-
page which took place, he would relate what oc-
curred, to chew that his conduct had been marked
by caution and propriety. An Officer rode up, to his
carriage, and stated his belief that they could not
proceed in the appointed route. He understood him
(Dr. Lushington) to be invested with authority to take
the funeral which way he thought best, and begged
that he would give him orders to proceed the other
way. He (Dr. Lushington) said that he possessed no
such authority, and then recommended what was
afterwards done—namely, that a messenger should
be dispatched to the Earl of Liverpool for instructions.
The Hon. and Learned Gentleman then condemned
the endeavour to prevent the procession from going
through the City, and dwelt upon the demonstrations
of honest grief and sorrow of all classes of people. He
had heard with regret something which fell from the
Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, which seemed to in-
timate that the Illustrious Personage, at that time on
his way to Ireland, bad ordered the route laid down
for the procession. He could not believe that Minis-
ters would not retain to themselves the latitude of
acting as they thought most accordant to their re.
sponsibility upon such an occasion. He then referred
to the affray at Cumberland-gate, and stated that be
saw Sir Robert Wilson before he went to the soldiers
to endeavour to stop the firing, and that be attempted
to dissuade him therefrom, as he was convinced that
he would be doing so at the hazard of his life. From
the manner and conversation of his Hon. Friend, he
believed, if that was the last moment of his life, that
his only motive in so doing was the desire of prevent-
ing the effusion of blood. They arrived at Rumford
at eight o'clock in the evening, and he would state to
the House the persons who had charge of the funeral

should rather state the case against himself than other-
.. Wm. If he knew his own heart, he was incapable of
—,Nariisrepresenting in the slightest degree anything
*llia passed under such circumstar.ces. The first
words which Lord Liverpool addressed to him were,
" I have no hesitation in informing you, that it is
the intention of his Majesty's Government to bear the
expenses of the funeral." Ile (Dr. Lushington) con.
fessed that he was at the time so ignorant of the na-
ture of such occurrences, that he did not know where.
the expense was to come from. He asked the Noble
Lord what facilities would be afforded to the Exe-
cutors to have the body interred according to the
directions of the will. Lord Liverpool requested
that the First Lord of the Admiralty might be
consulted as to the means of conveying the corpse
across the sea. He had then to enter into com-
munication with Lord Melville and the Honourable

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_ question—Weer, hear.
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I—(ltienr' hear hea;').—. The Marquis of I.III)DONMIRRY aCknoirledged
lee the* Niqff,liti d, and before' arriving that the Hon. and Learned Gentlensan had met the
at that Now thrhones were knocked up, and the question-.in a fait and candid manner. After tho
whOleMbeessionitras in' a disgraceful state of disor- able explanations of his Honourable Friends (Mr:
den whim they Bdt there) and the body was taken Peel and Mr. Calvert) little was left fir, him to do,
.m the hearse, fir G. Naylor was DOt to be found. varticularly as no blame was attached to the Earl of
The crown and cushion were placed upon the coffin Liverpool; who was the responsible ninister on_that
by some one else,
.for air G. Nityler haegooe offcom. occasion, and had atted in a manner,most creditable
Portably to bed ! They set off at elevediVelock next to his justice in that difficult and arduous case. No
day for Colchester,. and arrived there at four in the blame could fairly be attached to the preterite of the
afternoon. They were then told by the ruling trium- for he found the Learned Gentleman de..
virate that they must proceed again at eight that daring, as executor, that it would have been a maul:-
evening. He remonstrated against this in vain, until festation of disrespect if they had not attended. His
he produced the letter of the Earl of Liverpool, in declaration he would therefore oppose to the accuse-
which be stated, that.if the body could not be re- Lion' brought against Ministers,- ilk having employed
moved with decorum and propriety in two days, a portion of the military at the funeral: In short, be
three should be allowed. This produced sortie effect, had very little necessity to go forward and defend the
and it was at last decided that they should, proceed conduct of Ministers, since it would be quite sufficient
*Ave the next morning. To this he was obliged to • quote the Honourable Member's speech, in-the
accede; for, to have opposed the triumvirate, backed course of which he had swept clean away every ocea-
ns they were by the military, would hate been to sation that could be brought against the Governtnent.
lace his life in danger. He next came to the in- The Learned Gentleman conceived it to be necessary
scription 011 the coffin, and he would relate the whole that he should, by some act on his part, have divested
circumstances connected with that point. He was himself of the character of executor, before the or-
with her Majesty the night before her decease, pre- dering of the funeral was taken out of his hands.--
vious to which time she had scarcely sent for him As he had done no such act, he inferred that it was
for four weeks. She desired hi& to promise her that in consequence of some special order issued by the
he would use his best endeavours to have the inscrip- Earl of Liverpool, 'and made expressly for this case,
tion placed upon her coffin. He considered at the that the funeral of her Majesty passed from his hands,
time the great responsibility which the promise in- as executor, and was entrusted to those of the Go-
volved, and he she would repeat her corn- vernment. He argued) that if everything had been
moods if she wibsd
him to execute them. This she conducted in a regular and suitable manner, he would
did with her dying breath. Not being satisfied with have remained to the last, as the acting person..
this, he proposed that it should be inserted as a codicil Now, he (the Marquis of Londonderry) would cona
to the will, which was accordingly done. He took tend, that though this might have been the case with
this precaution, because he felt that it would not be respect to the executor under ordinary circuilistances,
enough for him to come forward after her Majesty's yet the rule did not apply where a member of the
death, and say that she had made a private request Royal Family was concerned—(Hear, hear). In that
to ouch an effect. He foresaw all the difficulties case the power was in the Crown, and not in the
which this request would bring upon him, but he was executor. It was one of the privileges of the Crown,
determined to execute it to the best of his abilities.— like the education of the Royal Progeny, and yea
When he presented the will to Lord Liverpool, the rious other acts of a domeitic nature, which were di.
Noble Lord observed, that the Government could rected by the Crown. The Learned Gentleman was
not carry this codicil into effect, as they would thereby informed, on the first interview he had With the Earl
be casting a censure upon themselves. The Hon. of Liverpool, that the expenses of the funeral would
and Learned Member solemnly declared that he had be borne on the part of the Crown and of the Publics
always understood the objection of the Earl of Li- It was the desire of his Majesfty's Ministers to mania
verpool to be to the Ministers ordering this inscrip- fest every respect to her Majesty's remains: they sent
tion themselves. He/might have been wrong in thi thcfecretary of the department to take charge of the
but he believed that the Government did not mean to funeral from Harwich to Brunswick ; and they con+
interfere with the executors if they affixed the inscrip- fided the previous proceedings to the highest officer
Lion to the coffin. The plate was not ready until the who Was immediately on the spot. What blame could
morning of the 14th, and there was no opportunity attach to Ministers, when it was apparent that they
of placing it in its situation whilst the corpse was in made use of the whole force which it was in their
England, but that which presented itself at Col- power to lay their hands on? They employed the
chester. He felt himself thus placed in the most Secretary of the department—they directed the at-
difficult circumstances. He felt reluctant to perform tendance of Mr. Thomas, the Gentleman next in
this office in the church, and he felt that this was rank to Mr. Mash : is short, they commanded the
the last opportunity he should have of performing services of all those who were within their reach. It
it at all. He begged that the House would not look was stated as matter of charge, that Mr. Thomas
at this circumstance with coolness and reflection, arrived at Brandenburgh House with no other autho.
without considering the feelings with which he city except a programme of the procession. What
was agitated at the time. He took the alternative. other authority did he require? He had received his
He had pledged his honour—his sacred honour to his ordeisfrom the Government, and certainly he had no
dying mistress, and he acted to the best of his judg- consent tl:4 obtain from the Learned Gentleman. If
meat a just part; and if he were again placed under the Learned Gentleman knew Mr. Thomas, and was
similar circumstances, so help him Goo, he would aware of his business, he ought to have respected
pursue the same course- -(Hear, hear). He knew his authority. The conduct of Mr. Thomas a7peared
that it had been said, that he profaned the House of to have given the Learned Gentleman much offence t
Goo! and he knew that there were canting Metho- but it was evident that Mr. Thomas thought the
discs, who had approved his conduct to his face, and Learned Gentleman meant to obstruct his authority,
traduced him behind his back. He chose a time for and that obstruction he felt he was bound to oppose.
his purpose, when the Church was nearly empty, and The Noble Lord then proceeded to answer the objec-
it was not until the plate had been affixed to the coffin tions that sufficient ceremony was not used at the
for three minutes, that any representation was made funeral, and that it was too hurried t he contended
upon the subject. He left the Church and saw no that both were in strict accordance with the declared
indecorous disturbance. He did hear that the mili- wishes of her Majesty. Her Majesty desired her re-
tary afterwards entered, but that was after he was mains to be removed at the earliest possible period;
gone, and he saw nothing of it. They then pro- and certainly the Learned Gentleman had communi-
ceeded to Harwich, where the body was taken out of cated to the Earl of Liverpool, if not the whole of her
the hearse and conveyed along the quay in such Majesty's will, at least the codicil which contained
haste that he was obliged to run to keep up with it. that direction. The Earl of Liverpool acted in the
There was no pall upon the coffin, and the boat in spirit of that codicil. He saw no reason for delaying
which it was conveyed was filled so that he could not the ceremony, and he gave the necessary directions.
accompany it. The Hon. Member for Huntingdon The first idea was to have the funeral on the Satur-
compelled ten of the undertaker's men and four car. day, her Majesty having died on Tuesday. Saturday
riages to embark for Stadt, and even with this force was, however, on reflection, considered to be too early
they had the greatest difficulty in proceeding when a 'ay, and Monday was then mentioned. Tuesday
they arrived there. With one little exception he was in the end preferred, as a more favourable day.
had no complaint to make as to the conduct of the No objection was made to the solemnization of
funeral for the remainder of the journey to Bruns- the funeral on that day, and he believed that the
wick. There was another point upon which he Learned Gentleman himself had stated that he was
was anxious to vindicate his own conduct from satisfied with the arrangement. How, then, could
misrepresentations which had gone abroad. One any imputation of an undue acceleration of the
of the Honourable Members for the City of Lon- Queen's funeral be cast upon the Sovereign
don had considered himself neglected, in not being When the news came to Holyhead, his Majesty wished
allowed to accompany the funral as one of the House- to have the arrangements made on a scale of, the uto
hold. He had considered the Hon. Member as a friend most respect to the deceased Queen. The flags were
of the late Queen, and he had intended to provide for lowered, and he never appeared on deck, unless when
his atteadance in that capacity. But Lord Liverpool it was necessary for his relief. The substitution of the
subsequently desired him to put down the names of inscription on the coffin by the Hon. and Learned
all the Household, for whom provision would be made. Gentleman was a pitiful and contemptible evasion of
This of course excluded the Hon. Alderman, and he the orders of the Government. What the Brunswick
sent him a copy of the letter. When they were at Government chose to do without it, was nothing to
Harwich, he was again applied to to put down the the Government of this country. The reason of the
name of the Hon. Alderman. But he would again body being instantly sent on board at Harwich was,
ask, how in the name of honour he could, acting that the tide was falling. The question was, whether
upon the •attne principles, put him down as one of the there wad any wish to insult the memory of the late
Household at Harwich, when he had refused to do Queen ?' All obstructions on the road arose from the
so at Brandenburgh House ? Three weeks after this,, riots in London. He must have been an enterprising
be was astonishedto find that his letter, and that of undertaker that would have taken up his canton-
, Lord Liverpool's, had been printed, with another meats ten mile, from London, in order to aee what tort
censuring his conduct from the Hon. Alderman, whoni of column might join the procession from London.—
he had during that'period seen at Brunswick, without) Was it fitting, that after the disposition of the funeral
his saying a word upon the subject. The Hon. and.! was submitted to the King, and finally arranged, the
Learned Gentleman then adverted to his intercourse Government should have sent it through the City to
with the Queen previous to her death. Some months please the Common Council ? which he wished to
had elapsed, during which be was seldom with her. speak with respect of, though he had the honour
He considered that his duty was at an end when the sometimes to differ with it in opinion. The object
trial finished, and, amongst other reasons, his proles- was to comply with the Queen's will, and not to give
sional engagements greatly operated to prevent his a handle to.factious cabal, which had long made her
being with her Majesty ; but, aboveall, he deprecated Majesty an object of attention and a ground for dis-
becoming her political, adviser. He avoided it,sbe..turhance. He admitted candidly, that the first hi.

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