Star.
London, England, 1824-02-17 00:00:00

het betel' heard nothing from those who had oppOsed the
'Mature' of the Learned Mover, enrich In his opinioth
Salted for lengthened Atoning That Measure, it was
a:alerted, went to operate a considerable change in oar,
Walt but, he (Mr. Baring) 'Would ask, was not that
eilingelor the better? and could there bit a bettet op-
portunity of making it than the present, which, in his
opinion' Sias the Mbst faibtrable period which had of-•
curred during the last century for doing away with
laws, for which, he would contend, no sound argoment
,had ever been advanced ; and which, as far as the great
capitalists and ***tied. fitlak were Concerned, had been
rendered tdeallyibtipetAtite The Gentlemen,
4,itio would in fact he the moist benefitted by the repeal
'of the Usury Laws were its greatest opponents. If
they consulted their true interests,. he (Mr. Baring)
thottOt they would not persevere in their orposition ;
hot lit' case they did, he Aged tecommend that:, to re-
move all apprehension on their part, when the Bill weft
into a Corn &Ante, MI Mani of money upon mortgage
Alight be excepted from operation—(firer, hear).
He bad no hesitation in repeating • that mercantile men
Of every class would be benefitted by it—(Teat)--and
landed proprietors would, in his opinion, derive front
it the greatest relief; as, instead of paying at the rate of
fonrteen per cent. as they *ere obliged to do during the
war, when the regular tate of interest Was ditty 6t* per
cent. they would, when this Bill passed, be able to rake
money. at a fair premium. If upon further inquiry the
COUntry Gentlemen shotild refs* to be convinced of the
utility meaure, as it effected them, nothing *es
more simple than toleate.theth The ftill benefit of a'
measure which they thought:Advantageous to their in-
terests, but which ht could n& help clepretating as the
greatest injury and cursevortfich bad ever befallen them.
taptain NIA BERIS oplibled the AcnenAment.
After a few wind* Tam. Mr W. Dt Catsrtatrt and
Mre.J. MARTIN, the HOUSe divided—the nutribets were
For the second reading - Ito
Agali:'it it • ' 23 •
WAYS AllO MEANS.
Site .CtiAIicHLLOR if the EXCHEQUER Aid;
in Moving that the Report of the Coltfinittee on the
Ways and Meanslie•biringht up, it was not his intention
to. include the vote which related to the Annual Spirit
• Dude's, heeanst he understood it wits in the contempla-
thin of an itthielitible Metntier to ispOnse that cute.
Me was induced to take this step not betaust art antitik
pated any 'Serious objettioa, or that he was tinprepared
tb *Myer any, argOrnenes which the Honourable MeltsY
her might bring forCigrid ; bat because ltehad, tipbo
being questioned by several persons interested in the
suhjett, dtchtred that he could give no opinion until he
brought forward Itiefinancial statement next week. Ile
had thought 'it necessary to say chi's ih order to
obviate any idea that he Was "ttacireparted at the proper
timeto answer any nhjectiott Which might be made.'
• ?qtr. IMIGfiT mite* it teior obsefritiotts.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER laid;
that as a certain degree of intonVeraericeAeduld be ex-
perienced by postponing the vote respecting thb Annual
INVOltis to Weetneday heat, he should move at present
for a cei to in vote on account of Surplus mid the Corrsott-
dated Fund, without si;ecifying the:specific purpose to.
which the .rant was to be applied. Unless there was a
dkposition in the House to assist Government on (ken-
shays Ike' he present, there would re,olt an inconve-
nience to the .cbanny Which he 'was some no. Member
would wish to 'Create.
AfltifLY agreed trial What had just fallen
-the ItiAt wrienTable
that the. House ought tOtbtbw lib iittttacle in the way of
granting .the Stspplies, as without tl ei Ministert would
Apt has an 11p/1(r-realty of malei
He *eaten titelikattiffrab
•en ttittler tniretAite vbt4.oitses'
rr..flU laic that he ma net kffb ctn.& Of Vise'
Honourable Member's argument, Abet The *Ore °tight
to he allowed to .pan in order toenail:4e his Majesty's
Slitti4etis to effect rtddct;btis aft erwErds. All be (Mr.
HUME) traced df The hiefit tentlenan At• *it
sign his marshier; tn 'Which 1* -myrtied That he was nat.
.perfultited to silo rio,fruin 'the Ckauceilor
E:raeqhfr)--dr Oita it *as nbt ,e(AVveliient. He fMr.'
Ilune) thought the R*l:t trehtlettran had 'better
put off the consideration of the %I tiger as well as of the
Dotter. • • .
Thc CfIAWCET.LOIR- cif the tX,C4E4AJER --ob-
served that th 1-16606 table Miletthet ettrtht Meat An-
-der some misctiticeptitA, as We fth'e'Chancelicir of the
E:xtitetor)..tkad already expressed his intention not to
,brink up ple)10•joilt ogon ale Antittal Datiei.:—The
iOlinion-s iveri then aleeed tb.

Dmirrit aiiiiiiiimAtreemorri•‘dt Yak 'irtiritataa.
Mr. 13AttilV:i rettiteifed to lit hiformbil of the ch.-
cumitances under which Mr. Vincent, 'after 'the
_4Mth
of the late ,Deputy ..Remembrancer,-Mr. Steele, had been
appointed to this office?
:The C H Nett/LOA. the MEt`IIIMUISR said,
that l'lrArintent's appointment .was -teMporXry. The.
law vibibli came into operation at the death of Mr.l
Steele, 'did not provide for the abolitkM of the office of
tephfy telbetnbearncer, or iRx the Medal ia sibich-the
°duties of that"office should theneefdtth be Pliforrited : it:
only required that whenever that event took place, the:
*Lords of the Treasury shOUld ditettnitiekvbatihohldtbe
the'futtire a does -or the Ace, anti what "should .be the:
estent.Of tlieemoltttttent arising 'it. Vie Lords bf
Vie Treasury, accordingly, upathe death
Wit 'time itrealliag upon 'this Barons of the Esche-
liser,:siraiittiShlhe-Chdifceltor df Eichequer, to re-'
.port to them is to the haitiii *Of the office ;'but the'f,act
was, that the duties of it, trim the 'nature hnd constitu
ton of 'the riehelifer, Atrefe absolutely 'necessary to.be
continued until some new system eotitld be arranged;
and it was 'not very easy to decide by what system the
Ibuiiness would be best dime; -find with least expense to
The Pub4c. . However, Mr. Vincent had been appointed.
HeiVis *required hit:itself to perform the duties Of the
place, and' allowed no deputy ; 'add he .ivis directed to
receive the accustomed fees for the present,. hot keeping
them for himself, but'Oiyinglhefn into the Consolidated
tiind ; the Lords of the Tfeasttry Of ceiirielieservink to
themselves 'the `pc:•Wer of giving" htitt an 'adequate com-
pensation for his labour. tor•hiniself, the Chancellor
Of the Eichequer added, he was most -anxious to regu-
late the-office in that iviey Which7Shoold be most condu-
cive to the.phblic service; and,Vihateeer diffiCalty there
might be in determiOing the precise 'Mode inivbieh the
`necessary duties should be extrclited,lhere eobld -be
doubt they would be .performed at a considerably Tess
Mtwist than they bad been 'heretofore. For the ap-;
pointeetat of inr.Vftteent, it him, merely temporary ;
and there-WM aflill'Undelygnilipg- that be ivas`to'have
no chili to the sitilatioa whea
.the Tteisiary ihbuld be
Fi're'Oired to arrenia i<permabent establishment.
prof o. himielf 'satisfied with the
Right Honourable Gentltitilesitlitanttitialunittestbd

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that the new arrangement would amount to a comkle'l
remodelling of the Exchequer.
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COMMITTEE 07 SUPPLY.
,On the Motion of the CHANCELLOR of the Excne-
ones, that the House should resolve itself into a Com-
mittee of Supply,
Mr. HUME rose to Present a Petition connected with
the Charges For the NStry. The Petitioner was a Gan.
deman of the name of Burridge, who had lately written.
,upon
the subject of Dry Rot; and the Petition stated
tier) extensive in)nry atteineilet:L3f lett years from that
disiate to our shipping; b shut neatly one-half
the Sestet in the Ifary were mote or less visited by it;
end several ships, the Lord Nelson, the Lot d Howe, the
Queen Charlotte, and others, had Lately' upon a survey,
been found to be entirely destroyed. The Petitioner added
that it would appear, upon eakulatiOa, that owing to this
disease, the numbet of see-lvorthy ships which at pre.
sent compered otir navy was ,smaller than that which
we had mtintiened in the year 1793; .and prayed that
the Board of Admiriky would take means to repress the
evil. Mr. Hume was .desirous himself to know what the
,Admiralty was prepared to do in this matter, which
seemed to him to be one of the very highest, importance:
It was quite certain that the English oak had not been
used fOrmerlyto decay, as it did now. tot' the coal
tar, which had been supposed a remedy, he understood
that it did nothing but mischiery it injured the health
of the men and did no good to the timber, He Wak in-
formed that ships built in America,.. from wood felled
at the season when the sap was not in the tree, Were
not subject to dry rot—or at least not in the same de.
'.gree with those boat by us, from wood Felled When the
sap was in it. Whatever might, be the merit's of the
petition, he thought there could be ho doubt that the
subject was one which demanded the tullest attention
and discussion.
The CHANCELLOR- of the. EXCHEQUER sug-
gested that this Petition could be better received at any
other time.
Mr. HUME acs uiested in this suggestion.—The Peti-
tion was withdrawn, and the liouse went into Committee.
NAVY ESTIMATES.
Sir GEORGE CLERK rose to bring forward the
Nary Estimates for the present year ; and, after the
great redactions which lad already taken place in our
'naval department, did not Apprehend that any further re-
duction were deals to be proposed. The vote called for
this year wal 8320,400 more than had been taken last,
because it Was necessary to make scoe small addition
to our present force. He anticipated no objection to
this from the Gentlemea on the other side, because their
complaint for some time had• been rather that otir
naval establishment was too low. The unsettled state
of some parts of the *Grid to which the commerce of
England was now, with every prospect of advanta•ge,
extending itself, wneldTnlly 'etcose the -trilling ad2,i-
tional expense which Was Contemplated; -and in addi-
tion to this consideration, there was thepoliability that
the piratical depredations in the West Indies, which now
were entirely stopped, would recommence if our sti ength
in that quarter Was withdtawn and the necessity for
maintaining our power in the Meditertsattean, as hing at
the present dispute* existed between Turkey and her
Greek dependencies. With tesnect to the Petition which
had • been presetted by the Hon. Member for Aber-
deen, the subject was already under the consideration
of the Admiralty, who Was not blind to its importance.
The fact was,' in some measure, that from the great eli•
gepcies of the late wat service, it bled been fonnd nem-.
>key. to btriEd ships Without dmse recreations which
iviruld:htive beet 'Used alder elreuttistatice Of foil leisure.
ruebei hati.beets Asata in' Runty cases w hith was not 'suf.
tßtai6vfdy-seasoned. We were ltow, however, using every
iteniti-thirroid the 'ell to which the Honourable ?Mem-
ber tor Ntreideen tinded. Ships were Intik under cover,
• the Ilanber employed was perfectly afy,' and the coal-
tat-was to the harmlessness of which liehad understood
the Hottelerable Member to he tatisfied-,-.the coal-tar
was inactensetif, and, as was believed, with kood ef-
fect. Independent of these precautions, an experiment
was now making whether the dry rot might net lie pre-
vented by iShenersin the wood in salt water 'before it
i'VAS waked Up.; and he begged to state &et the Comp-
'troller of the Navy, wh&e Fafoitnatithl upon the matter
was steels better 'drat! his (Sir (ieonge "elei-k's) own,
Atibttlil be folly prepared to imswer, if necessai ys the
atleetions itt the Honourable Mernberfor Aberdeen's
Petition: The cliniettrahle Batista Xontiticied by Itatiog
that theettra feharge,of S20;0081. was iecorred on meet
&eon* of 4;000 additional tiesdnen *making our eseab-
lishmeott, ttoirt42B,ooo then, 2903136,,,iincluiling aferce elf
bAitiO Mariner), together with emettin 'expeftses.ariting
out of the increased price of provisions ; and by tutoring
that "a thin Mot exceeding 885,950/. -shot:hi be granted
' for wages for 'the Navy, for the year vontmenerns_Ja-
nuiry, 1824.

. igtEVIINTIVis•naVIcie. •
Mr. WARRE wished to pot a lineation with respect
arrangetnents of the r'refetniVe Service, which
aia established a sort of gendairrieeiie—for k could be
compared to nothing else—upon our shores. The high
'duties imposed in time of war
.were, now that France
and -England were at peace, operating as -such it 'bounty
upon contraband trade a-s:rio vigilance Could withstand,
and producing actually a regular guerilla warfare le-
i/teen the Government forte and the smugglers. We
`had now irts fewer than 1,100 Men employed 'in the
Preientiie Service, patrolling updn 'der coast. He
wishednlso to know if, in case of any addition 1)64
made to the force appointed to the coast blockade, the
addititinallfortes *Mild he tit under 'the same corn.
'Mends as at pretent? There Wits 'bite ship -of war sta-
tioned in the Downs to Witat titer a line of coast Sp
extensive, that theOffieer who 'there held-controul was
either on horseback or in thebokt, night and day con-
tinually, for weeks together. This he might do from
his zeal and anxiety to complete a system of his own
creation ; but it was too much for the country to receive
from the terifice:of ith one man. For his own part,
he did not believe that while the duties on foreign
'spirits andivine Were as high as at present, they ever
would be able to prevent smuggling. It was Impos-
sible to make those persons who: were engaged in bring.
ing in contraband comtnmodities fliel any moral corr.•
punctions upon the subject of their etriPloyment, whit(
they were tempted with the bounty offered by the pre-
sent enormously high duties. His only object, in rising,
was'to know-if any, and what portion of .this additional
ifoice of 5,000 men was to be put underthe.command
of the gallant Officer to whom he had alluded ?.
Sirl7. CLERK said, that it was the intention of Gp-
vernnient•to continue the system of the preventive serer
vice as .at present established ; which, notwithstanding
the remarks of the Honourable Member, had operated
with the most complete success. There had been one
violent and bloody affray upon the• coast .of Kent,
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