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an unlimited manner, but he considered those which
had been issued, as not in anticipation of the aids to
be granted, but on account of the fifteen millions al-
ready voted. The whole amount of the taxes which
he now proposed, both war and new taxes, approach-
ing eleven millions, would therefore serve to cover a
part of the supplies granted before Christmas.
Mr. TIERNEY complained that the Treasury had
the right of issuing any number of Exchequer Bills,
without the knowledge of Parliament. The Act em-
powered the Exchequer to issue Exchequer Bills on
credit of all aids to be granted by Parliament, without
any limitation whatever. That was the point to which
he objected. In time of peace, when the Property
Tax had been removed, and the war taxes ought to
be voted session after session, he thought it wrong
that the same course should be pursued as when they
were voted at once for the whole year.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
thought he had removed the difficulty by explaining
that the sum granted on supplies considerably ez•
ceeded the ways and means. The former consisting
of fifty-one millions, to meet which only thirty-one
millions of ways and means had yet been provided.
The act of the last Session, as all others had done,
empowered the Treasury to issue bills, on the credit
of aids that had been or should be voted, not to an
unlimited amount, but only in anticipation of those
aids. Parliament having granted fifteen millions at
Christmas, the Treasury were empowered to raise it
by Bills, and he conceived. that when the accounts
should be moved for, it would be found Government

had not gone beyond the authority with which it was
invested. •

Mr. TIERNEY thought those Exchequer Bills did
not fall under the aids generally granted. How could
he know that no more than fifteen millions had been
issued ? [Call for the accounts, said the CHANCELLOR
of the EXCHEQUER across the table.] He considered
the whole an irregular proceeding, and wished the
accounts should be produced, in order that the House
should be able to form a correct judgment.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
maintained, that there was no irregularity in the pro-
ceeding which had been adopted. Had the issue of
Exchequer Bills exceeded fifteen millions, then it
would have been irregular. The House could have
the accounts when it chose to ask for them.

Mr. PONSONBY objected to receiving the Report
because the Right Hon. Gentleman asked for sup-
plies, without stating specifically their objects. This
was an innovation in the practice of the House. He
had stated that the Peace Establishment would be 19
miliious, but without explaining the different heads
and items of its expences. He objected to voting so
immense a peace es►ablishment, without going, head
by head, through all its articles. The Houle would
not be justified in taking the Minister's word that
such a sum was necessary. If they were allowed to
examine the question thoroughly, he did not think
the Right Hon. Gentleman would be able to prove
that it, was necessary. The Commons would have
no controul over the expenditure of the country, it
they were to vote supplies before the Minister of the
Crown had given every information on the subject.
On this ground, he should think it his duty to take
the sense of the House.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
would not presume, before ainy information was laid
on the table of the House, to eater into the details
of a Peace Establishment. The ground on which be
called Parliament to agree to the present Report had
nothing to do with the subject. It was founded on
the grants already passed, but not yet made up by
twenty millions. It was not unreasonable, therefore,
that he should now ask eleven millions out of those
twenty millions. He thought it more respectful to
the House not to descend into ,particulars until the
estimates could possibly be produced. By agreeing
to the present Report, no one would express any opt.
nion in favour of the Pcace Establishment. They
would only provide for what they had granted them-
selves.

Mr. T 1 E RNEY wished to know whether, in voting
the Ways and Means, and new Taxes, now asked,

the House were to consider themselves as only filling
up the Supply already granted ? If the Right Ho.
nourable Gentleman wanted five or 6,000,000, let
him take it by Exchequer Bills ; but he did hope the
Right Honourable Gentleman would not press the new
Tates till the House had taken time to consider them.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, by voting the sums now asked, the House did
not pledge itself to support any of the new Taxes;
though with regard to those Taxes, unless the House
intended to leave the Public unprovided for,he thought
the House would vote them, as they were proposed
to supply the deficiency occasioned by the loss of other
taxes, which had expired.
Mr. TIERNEY wished to see the whole account
at once before the House, and then he and others
would be able to judge what part of the supply
should be raised by Loan, and what by Taxes. He
vas told that it was necessary to raise ati.ooo,ooo in
the year by Taxes. He (Mr. TierneX): wished to
have an opportunity of judging whether it would not
be better to raise the entire supply by LOan, rather
than burthen the People with Taxes, which they had
no inclination to submit to.
Mr. PONSONBY objected to this mode of bring.
ing forward the supplies by piece-meal.
Sir R. HERON also objected to the proposed
plan of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He parti-
cularly recommended the adoption of a strict system
of economy.
Mr. I.IENNETT objected to deciding on the Re-
solutions now produced, till some farther information
was laid before the House as to the state of our
foreign relations.
Mr. P. GRANT objected to the bringing forward
the Ways and Means; and Supply thus by picot
meal. The Chancellor of the Exchequer had said,
the House was nut competent to speak at present on
the subject, they being without information. He
would ask who was it that had kept the House in
ignorance but the Right Hon. Gentleman ?
Lord MILTON objected also to the mode in
which the Chaocellor of the Exchequer had brought
forward his Finance. With respect to the Taxes
about to be proposed, it would be his misfortune to
object to many of them.
Mr. BANES defended the conduct of the Chan.
cellor of the Excheium as respected the Peace Es.
tablishment. His Right Honourable Priendbimsell
had not yet the anetenall on winch to tutus his esti.