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file time of feriice was too itiort It was impoffible f Sir G. WARRENDER laid, he objeleel to the
to train melt, unlefs they were organized ; and when '. period at w oicn the meafure was brneght 10-ward.
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In organised, he thought iliac the riug o. to he liable —Themetture i ropoled n give aft.oco men to the
to a longer fervice: What with 'the regittering, hal. Line. but the N thle L"d ..ad not !hewn 1 cafe which
lotting, &c. &c. the year appointed by the Pr iining proved, !hit 4 dif"Rnre IS'e •f rce of that inaonittole
Bill would Coon vanifh, and the harlot wool,' be to was wart hilt, tor that it was AM ill •Is tlerdrirY for
recommence. It the Volunteer. thoold arid them. trete d ferfive objeOls. In fad, h. th ought the be-
(elves unable to continoe a tacrt,fi:e, which w 4, on• nefi s Nvllicit :he Lire wordd det iv; trom !tor increate,
queftionably a revere one, which lead 'die-61,d the were more than coonte.o d otce 1 lav the diflicrilties
higheft honour on their char after and c 1id0.% but and dita tvan•
which, in many inftances, worild fcarc ly be expeCted fir. He connl 3,!s whicii wool I refult from this trans-
ived the meafure of hall.tt as highly
to be permanent ;in this cafe, in the '!.'r'ainung Bill, otijeat snahle, a, it would cootidertoly impede the
or rather in the Defence Bill, might be chfcovered a recruiting for r:re regrilat army. He did not agree
balls on which the military eftabliihments of the with the Noble Lord, that 'his thhadvantage would
might be founded. Intlead of balloting the be on!), tempor at y, lair.country that it would be lung le:r. ;
men to be trained for a year, he, would propofe that and he had it from feveral officetso with whom he
they Ihould be balloted for two years at leap ; in- had c •nver fed, that this lyitern •1 recruiting for li-
deed three years would not be too long a period. If , mited fervice had very greatly it c e:fed the army,
Parliament confented to this, they might gain two j to the amount, as he believed, in the courfe of the
objeds—in the fira place, the difcipline thus -.tattled 1 year 1837, of 22,CC0 men. Anotoer gr •und of ob.
irould be greater, and would qualify the tub:os44 i jedion to it was, that it was moll opplefilve on t!,e
for the regular army if wanted—in the fecund place, lower orders of the people. Every n:, he was aware,
looking to that amount of force which Parliament wel' knew that great ficrifices were tecelfary, but at
had declared it was neceflary (hould be fix times the fame time the country have a right to exped they ,
larger than the militia, or, in other words, 200,C00 may look with confidence to G •ver nment, which lie
inert, the feeds of a permanent military force might feared woola not be the ca'e. when they confidered
be planted in it, which might grow up as the volun- the manner in which the prefent Minitlers came iota!
leers might decline. His notion was, having laid the power, and the difadvantage this measure would
foundation of this force, to enable his hlajelly to produce, as a circuitous method of recruiting the
direil that where the volunteers were not in this pro- army. He had no with to uppr.f Minitters in devi-
portion of fii times the number of the militia, a local fing means for the defence of the country; and if
militia fhOuld be created, by ballot, out of the men they could modify the prefent Bill, fo as to nbviate
difciplined by the training bill, to be officered out of the objeCtions which it appeared to him tfe meafure
the regular militia. He meant to propole that this was liable to, he (hutild be glad to give them his
local militia in peace, Ihould be difciplined the fame fuppo: t : if not, he Ihould think it her dui) to give
number of days as the regular militia, but that they them his decided negative.
Ihould never ferve out of their Counties, except in Mr. YORKE conlidcred that the exigencies of the
cafes of rebellion or invafton. They would be pro. prefent time were Inch, that it ()Learnt the duty of
duced a regular and organizld force, out of that every man who had turned his 'Mud to thole firbjeds,
which,according to the meaful-e of the Right Hon. and formed a decided opinion, to deliver that opi
Gentleman, could create nothing but etnbarrallment. nion, whether he thought that °theta were likelb to
By this, the Training Bill might be rendered ufeful coircide with it or not. He did not fl utter hinticlt,
for he' entered his f lemn proteß againit throwin, that his opinion would agree with the ideas that the
down any great public eflablifliment, for the mere .reater number of Gentlemen in that riouie had
prieprifes of (peculation. Here was the difference ormed upon the fubjea. In tilts roped, however,l
between the Right Honorable Gentleman and him- re believed, they would all agree with hint, that we
Pelf; when the Right Hon. Gentleman came ine sere n w coming to a Rate rot things, where a frogle
office, he molt unwifely did eve' y thing in his powe tile Rep might he attended with utter ruin ; and
to relax the Volunteer fyitem, for the purpose r• creme it hehoved :he Houfe to dive the molt at-
introducing his Trailing Bill. He (Lord C.) 01 tio , .tn ire confideration to the itthjea. He did nut
contrary, was not defirou, to futivert any this g don. objed to that part r f the plan that went to draw a
by that Right H :n. Gentleman ; the fad was nrice .l. o tnlideralde iiiimbir at men born the militia into
that with his bell endeavours, he had code n thin; ok regular army. He thought that it would be a
(a laugh). He ( Lord C.) had always advrfed tha moti efficacious me.afure at prefent, as it votold
the charaEler and fOirit cf the %moniker corps Rollie; .adow a conlokralale number of men to be fent to
be upheld until lore other decilively fuperiot Oa . clan.fi it nceeifary. He objeded, however, to the
blithment could be difcovered as a fubttitute. Hi- ,alt ttiag 36.000 men to fupply the vacancies in the
Majelly's prefent Government had re ettahlithed the mili•ia, and to iocreate its force ; not hecaufe he oh-
fyltem of infpeCtion of the volunteers ; without tha• '.fled to the principle of the bailor, but that lie did
fyliem it was impolTdale that any principle eferooorny .ot think that this aOS the moll effiaci •us exercife of
could be obferved—that any teem ity could he en he ballot. He had been always a friend to the hal-
jnyed, for the proper admirtiftration of the funds, fat, even although it fell into general diforace a few
appropriated to various parts of the volunteers fir rears ago, and although Mr—Pitt propoled a fedtme
vice, or that the volunteer eh:Wan:cm could t'ekep for keel ing up the atmy without it ; yet at that
in an organized (late. It was in the canter:Thum!' time he declared, as be now thonght, that it was
of his Majelty's Minifers to encourage vAunteer abfolutely impoffible to keep op Inch an army as was
corps, not to fubtlitute permanent fervice for their necelfar y for the protedion of this country, and its
drill days, for that in molt cafes would be inconve extenfive pi &Gins, without having recourfe to
nient, and in many impraCticable, but to pars thole compullion in fome (hype or other. There was no
drill days in exercifes from home. It would then be great army now kept up by any country in the world,
teen which of thofe who entered into voluitteer cot p. without Come degree of compultion. It washy com-
did it for the fake of exemption, or for other mu- pulfion, in its Itridell form of confcription, ttott the
lives. If Parliament fhould think fit to adopt any petfon, who is at the head of France, was able to
fubfequent mealures on this fubjza, his Mai ffly'sMi conquer almoß the whole of Europe ; and, in order
tillers would not fluink from it. Let them, how- to oppufe him, we mutt at leaf preferve that power
ever, be deliberate in their undertaking, tecolleding which the Contlitution and eflablithed farms of this
the old Paying, " the more Italie the work (peed." country gave us by tire ballat. The greaten etert inns
The Noble Lord here entered into a brief recapitu• which the country could make would be barely I uffi-
lation of his arguments. He had been called upon cient, but certainly it Was no time to throwaway any
to propofe to Parliament in a time of exigency, a of the means of exertion which bad formerly been
meafure adequate to meet that exigency, and which, retorted to. As to the plan which had been brought
therefore, whatever its nature might be, is open to forward lall (elfin!) by a Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
Prong and plaufible ohjeCtion,, fince it mull be one Windham), he certainly thought that Parliament
of great burden, and impofing great facrifices on a ought not r.uihly to repeal it, hut that they Ihould give
country which has already borne great burdens and it fair flay. His opinion of it, however, was, that it
made great facrifice3—not with patience only, but was b all inefficient and dangerous ; inefficient. inaf
with pleafure. But he was convinced that the coon- notch as it would hardly be futlicient to fupply the
try would feel now as it had always felt, that thofe cafualities ; and danger( u,, inalmuch as, although
'Who prupoled thefe burdens u ere its belt friend., it might raife more men, it would get fewer foldiers.
becaufe they were propcfed for the fecurity and wel- (Lear I hear!) He confidered that the charader of
fore of the count: y. On tubjeds of this nature, con. the Englifh fuldier wa•fidigeneris ; he was fent to the
fiderable difficulty exited in giving a preference to molt diflant parts of the world to combat a foe lupe-
one antorg various meafures, all (landing on the ri or in number. If our brave but unfortunate tot
ground of fluid argun'ent and ingenious i eafeniog : diets, in the prefent cup paign in Egypt, had, on the
but he could allure the H• tile, :hat the propulitton day of affirm, been thinking of religoring at the end
which lie had the honour to fubmit to them was the of seven years, and letting up in their relpeCtive vil-
refult of the mill anximus corifideration fro m the ear- loges as tailors and (hoemakers, could their Comman-
Nell period after the acceptance of office by his Ma- ding Officers have relied upon their exertions in the
Jelly's ,vlinifters. They had made the bell propofition titre of danger ? [Loud cries of hear ! hear ! from
they could—had dint', bed; as little as poffible, the Mr Windleam. and the Gentlemen whc fat near him].
exifting efiablifltment, and had not allowed them- i Ile 1124.1 then no obje&inn to giving ze,ooo men from
Nees to enter the field of military dilcovery• Un• the Miiiria, nor to the ballot ; his only objeaion was
queltionably, the militia fervice would, for a time, to the manner in which this ballot was to be ap-
be difturbcd, but it would form recover i felf, and he plied. In looking over the returns which had been
was lure that when the efficers of the militia conii- I laid upon the table, he could not avoid obferving,
dered that the men taken out elf the militia for the that as to the regular army, there was at prefent
advantage of the c tuntry were only thole men w! to from twenty to twenty-five thoufand men, deficient
mull loon have been difcharged by law, and that in of that number which was applicable to the defence
lieu of them they would receive frefk and abundant of the United Kingdom, at the time that he and his
Matetials for rendering the militia efficient both in c..lleagues were obliged to refign, on the charge of
peace and war, they would give their cordial fupport not having done their utmoft to put the count' y into
b the meafure. It was a confolation to raze, that a proper !fate of defence. He might call upon all
the hiflory of this country did not afford an inflame the Adminifltations that fncceeded to fay, why they
in which, when the public mind was called upon to had never added any thing to the (late of defence in
encounter difficulties, it was the peculiar charaderif- which they found it, or rather why they have fuffered
tic of Britain to rife fuperior to every obttacle, and the deferifive force of the country contlantly to d,..
ttever to be to throng or fo dillinguiffied, as after the cline ? When they law the volunteer force diminiflo
value of diftrefs.. That individual, who unfortu- ing in numbers, why did they not ftibltitute fome
stately for the world, had acquired loch an Aetna other meafure to fupply that deficiency ? He would
dancy on the Continent, was little aware, that by afk them, why they had follfcattered the force of the
that very afcendancy.he was creating in this country country, as that there should be now much fewer
a power to which the world might ultimately look for men to oppufe to an invading enemy, than at the
deliverance.; and that out of the necelfuy which his time when he was in office, during the fill year of
inordinate'ambition produced, the military character the war ? As to the firfi body of men that had been
of Great Britain would probably be railed to a fent to Eolith America, he c.nld eafily account for
greater height than any to which it had hitherto the neceffity of fending them. A gallant officer (Sir
t attained. The Noble Lord concluded by obferving, Home Popham) had, before that bufinefs, been tried
that he &add divide the meafure into two Bills, and for it, and was acquitted. We Ihould therefore fay
that if the Bill, for which he was about to move, i nothing more about the prudence of the original un-
Ihroild not be ready for delivery to Members on that I dertaking, and he could eafily conceive that any Go-
night, of which he was fomewhat apprehenfive, he vernment would, after the firli impreffion had been
Ihould not prefs the fecond reading 011 Friday, but i
made, think it its duty to fend troops to fecure the
propofe that it be poßponed to Monday. He then footing that had been gained. But, after the battle
moved for leave to bring in a Bill, for allowing a co.- of Jena had been 1011, he could not conceive how it
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taro proportion of the militia in Great Britain vulnn- could have entered into the heads of any Minitters to
g tatily to enter into his Majefly's regular forces. I detach fuck a large force as was lent with General

Crawford, eritriflin, as he be:kved, of no len than

5.000 of our very be tronps ! He really could not
conceive how fuch a thing could hxv entered into any
head. 'fl: lte;,trlat Force was lefs by 25,0c0
men thin it was in 1E.:4, and lets by t s.cco thin it was
at this tirne lafi year. He knew how impoilib eit
was to concentrate our forces rapidly, and therdore

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had nn objeei:.n to adding, by any expedient, to
our RTgniar Force. Ai to the men, however, w!4l
were to be rai.ed by ballot, he flyoulti innnitely prefer
the raifing them on the Army of Receive fyilena to
that of the Militia, and principally becanfe in that

cafe they might be fent over to Ireland. He always
conficlered, that the formation of the at my of Referve
wa. a great Ilep gained towards putting .cur tnilitary
efiablithment on its proper filing. He had himfeif
heel I,ng a Militia officer, and Inuit be fu rather
partial rataer
partial to the Militia fyllem, bin that partiality fh-uld
not prey ..nt him from fpeakiing the truth and declaring

that in his opinion theMili•ia 611 em wasi.". me.il

fire .zroiett cut. The !Cilia fyflem was originally cal-
ciliated for foc) w.irs as we formerly had %Kith France.

The grcatelt danger that the country had been ex-
poled to for a long tint, was when Marfhal S:xe,
having colleded an army el 30,050 men at Calais
and 13,.ulogne, appeared friddenly off I)ungenef,.
Agair.ll filch dangers as thrfe, the Militia might b:
an aderrtate defence ; but the fituation of afFairs was
now compltte:y changed. The w.cr might he now
faid to have latted fourteen }'curs, aad as he law no
end of it, he thought it might be t.rlc:n at fourteen
}ears more : Ire did nit therefore think it poffihle
• that proper cflicers could be obtained for tke militia,
during rich a le.,p,th of time. 'Diet e were at prcftnt
56 fr.cind battalions in the cr,tintry, which generally
ow not eon(' lof more that z 5.3 m-m each. It would
be therefore necefftry to fend 750 men to each, to
complete them, and all the men which wire propored
to be got from the Militi I would not be fufficient to
complete 36 of them. He &mid therefore prr pole
that the tentaining twenty Ihrnald be added the
nine garrifon bvtalions that were nearly complet,
and that then Ole ballot (lo operate to fill thofe
29 garrifon hatiali ns. The Adrian, age that he would
prr•pofe from this would he, that inflead of 25,00emen
gained for the regular army for the dr.ft,,q,e of the
country, there would be46.cco. As to ate Militia,
he really tloniglit the hell plan to rn was to
keep them up to the number r f so col men, and
then fe. d 'litn'to their reipeaive counties. If the

Training aft were to be car rie.l into force, he thought
that the 2CiD,':OO men, or m hatever number sere

prefent exteencres ? The plan of his hfaktly's Mint.
•Ilers was this, Let us hr-ak up the Militia. N whcd
it was propnled to hteak tip filch a rote,. A the Mili-
tia, the fi conlideta•ion would naturally be. what
Mit.;!,ers intended t., put in the place o' t f He
would certainly as he 1t iii altiv y con•ende..4
that the fame men mull he more caci.ne tt tlraf•ed.
itvo regime; 's that had Peen 11 let vi.:e, and en n.
m nide lii cis) ois eel ffi err, t hey r 0111 be
lit reg i tit en t s aril to do offi ers -alto hid never leeri
any real fat rice. He way CrVlVirlCe ; hat a regular
regiment wouldbe, to the ell o' ime flperi r to a
whirl t re•Aiment. Wit in ei,eit it the welfare
of the count' v, wha•cYc; aid tar the ftt;.eri r Org.
errs of might feel, the In'—vdin e o;Ecert
had neiih.r the lime m tiv s't I a-' tit ir pi .1, IT m;
and certainly n t ;h: lam 4,pp rtoni!ie. as fli ersi
in the regul.:r regiment,. II ha beet, m .ch trad red.
as an enemy to the Mitfy .. ro, at' ell as to it • f
thr V :Inntee s. A I.re y ft :d bee en le tv,,itted
to be tailed agii 'I him on th s Iron I ; but the 111 i.
trio Officers were n e !liiy I he 'lc was
holt& to them. as 111 My of Hi- V iteey • ware lie
h. id indeed told mmyofls• M li it Col n is, that
they were in much gi ever t'an.,!er fr tm their pie•
tended friends than they we e m idol. He re-
minded them of tie Spanifh prover:), On read me
againg my filen Is, and I A% 11'ale care t; guard my.
fell againll my enemies."—He had 1,1.1 them that
the friendfhip 'tared by the 0 title:nen in the
other fide of the Houle to the 111 i tia, wa. only the
friene,:hip of the wolf, or of the but: het to the limb,
wit ; froqld with to prtferve it fir their own killing
(a laush )It was like the favour which Come •ounti y
Gentlemen fisewed to game that they with: d to pre-
ferve, till convenient In: them ant their Itiends to
make a great flaughter (a loud hugh ) It had
In turned on'. The vciy men who 11.)d lb tilted
abufed him as an enemy to t! le Militia fyilern, were
now going to break it up at once. by taki thole
troops that the Militia officer s had taken fo much paint
to bring to perfeaion, and adding them to the regular
regiments. If the Militia o.lonels were however con-
tent to make this facrifice, he would not wills to fay
any thing to oppofe it. lie thought, however, that it
would be a confiderable facrifice, and he thought that
if the quaint) was merely the defence of the country,
it would be an imputation on the Militia that they did
not deferve—t fay they would be of much more ufe
if handed over to other Officers. He allowed, that
in many refpedsthe Regulars were to be preferred to
the ; but he thought, that for the pat ticular
fervice fr;r which they were railed, to defend the
country from invalion, the Miiizia regiments were
fufli.•iently good. If die 25.000 men could be pre.
velie.l upon to enter immediately into the R-gular
Army from the Militia, lie cruet! not fee that them
wool] he any important acceffion of teal (henget;
until their phces cottld be well fupplied. He did
tot fee what great good would refult from ir, utilefs
Minifters could befpeak their invanon at their own
::me (a /a....;/:), and tell Bonaparte tl at he mull not
come, ut;til ail thofe new liallt.ted hien were well
trained, and fit to oppofe him. He thought that when
a MCAftit eof filch confiquence was prop: fed as the
breaking up the Militia, there oagitt at leaft to he
iome prong pound; of neceffity made out. In confi.
(tering the plan pt opofed, it was neceffitry not only to
think of what it does, but of is hat it undoes, not only
the force that it creates, hot the force alb) which it
dcllroys. Gentlemen on the other fide of the Houle
were very apt to tun away with the notion that the
plan which he had the hon, ur of propofing to Parlia.
meat, was intended, like the many plans which had
preceded it, as a grand fpecific ngrum. which was
immediately to 'Ale the army to the number rd cnen
required. fie HI it, however, to the recolleftion,
and to the candour of tho Gentlemen thernielves, to
fay whether he had ever held out loch hopes. Initead
of holding it out as his grand fpecific, he had ex-
cited the mertiment of thole Gentlemen by fa}irg
that the meafure he propofed was princbally va-
luable for Its fimplicity, and for not profelling to
he a plan. lie had laid that the country had, for
many years, been t•ufting only to (hilts at,d expe-
dients, and that nothi:ig of a permanent nature
had been adopted. The Army of Relerve was
only a temporary expedient, and did not prole
to have any thing permanent in i: ; and of all 'cm-
potary expedients twat had been !clotted to, it was
the one which he preferred. 'lnk Army of Referve,
however, after producing a certain number of men.
flopped of itf.lf, and c :old rot be cart ied farther. If
the to. ceeding Adtr.inifiration repealed it, it was not
from vanity or envious jealoury of their predecefrors,
but becanfe it could produce no more men, and it be-
came necelrary to Ilrike out tome other expedient.—
The next expedient reforted to, was the Additional
Force Aft. If he had moved the repeal of that Aft,
it was not becaufe it had b en brought f award by a
former Adminiftration, but becaufe it could do no
further good. It WAS completely fu.ilias ecio. The
Noble Lord need not have taken much pains to
the Houle, that there was nothing ingenious or
original in his plan, as it was well known that ewer
fine: the year 1795. incregfing the militia by ballot,
and then dra!tirg from them to the line, was the con-
Rant relotirre when a confiderable addition was
ne-
ceffary to the regular force. In t 796, it was wifhed
to catry the militia and fupplementary militia up to
9c,0c0, but this was found to be impoilible. After
that, a confiderable number were drafted from the
Militia for the expedition to Holland. The Noble
Lord might therefore reft allured, that while he (luck
to increating the militia by ballot, and then drafting
them, the Houle would never (ape& him of any ori-
ginality in his plans. —(Aqaugh.)—The plan that was
hied of Provincial Cavalry, was the wont of all
lchernes. It was molt intolerably burdenfome to
the country, and even ladies and women were a bliged
to pay Sixty or feventy guineas towards railing the
men. He did not with to fay any thing difrelpeft-
ful of Mr. Fitt's plans, otherwife he thould have
called the Provincial Cavalry plan one of the molt
lonia that ever had been adopted. The Add:.
tional Force Aft had completely failed before hi- r td
moved for its repeal. He did not fee any °disc
criterion to prim.tunce that a mcafure ha., co is-
plevely failed, except its toil inadequacy to p -o-
duce the effeft it prornifed; Whvit it was fir t ope led
in 04, the hopes held out were, What by he eft of
01tober, 1805, it would have proslnCed 40,000 m
but inliead of that it had only produced twe v
by the tit of March ; in 33 months it only p oduced
15 nr t 6.000 men. The men that n did raife were
an enormous' xpeoc;.to the count r band could be bad

judged necelitry to be called out.. lb-auld be enter att.
ed upon the Militia, that they Should exercife
their own coun7ice, an.l never he called out of them
except in tale of aelial inrafi in. The 3eecoo militia
foldiers would be perfettly fit flicient to ia;ttna them
in their military dircipline, and filch a combined
force might aft s' his the fame •:ifitiercy with which
the old rwlitia of England would have aced, nyder
the circuroilarxei fir which it was etlab;iiLed. This
was a plan for which lie thought the country was
perfectly ripe, and which he c infidered would he
fistilcieet, in corjitoelon with our volunteer force,
to repel any attempt which the Trant or Fiance
could make ageittit this euntry. •
Mr. BATHURST 14d, that he was not fisTrifed
that the Noble Lott! who brosight in this meaftire
lh •ult.l have taken Cone notice of she plan btouelst in
kill hellion ; but he thought it was by no means ne•
celfary for him to hare 7.nce the length be had
done, in commenting upon it. Since it had been fo
much Spoken of, he would declare, that it was his
opinion, that it had been efficient in a great degree.
It had net been introduced as a plan profellingto
rai'e a great number of rr.en in a {hurt time ; but
it had been prtity foccefsful hitherto, and lie did
not defpair hot that it would in time be fufficient
Wit only to fisrple the caftral tits of the army, but to
afford it as regular and cohitant an increale as could
be wifhed for. At prelim it was evident, 'hat we
muff look to Cone expedient for rapidly obtaining an
increafe to the number of our army. He thesq,dit
that if the Noble le-rd (Calleteagli) owed any
apology to the ii -nfe,• it was for not briligieg hi,
meat-tires fooner forward. It ha-1 been frequently
thrown cot that the prefent Seffion was likely to
be Short; and that a full attendance of fklernb:.r.
I could net be expee'ied ; end yet it now 'appeared
that meafures of the welted importance were its
referee, and to be brought forward in the cootie of
the Seffion. The Training 1111 had been. decla'ed
inefficient, and it was• hated that other meafires
mutt be reit-rted to, to make tisk. gi eat mealtire more
efficacintss. He could not but regret that Inch im•
portant mealw es were delayed to fi advanced a pe-
rt-id in the Seffion. He thought if it Was allowed to
be neceitat y to raife a cos fiderable number of men,
by ballot, the only epiedinn was, whether it was bet-
ter to raife them on the principle of the militia, or of
the Army of Referee? If the Milit;a sere now dated
to be incompetent to that for ss hich the Mili•ia was
eflabliflied, the defence of the country, lie did not
lee open what grounds we could ex,teet that •Gen
tlemen wouldeake the fituation of NI i; i:t Officers.
—As to all the objeeions which were made to. the
fyllem of the Army of Refer ye, he t bought they
were mach dronger in the year t 803, when that fence
was firft ellablithed, than they conic' *be at the•re•
Cent moment. At that timethe country seas, in a
great meafure, exhantted by the great force of dif
ferent defcriptions which had been railed in .;-,e comic
of the year, whereas now the conntry had not been
recently drained by any extraordinary exertion. As
to the temiffion of the fines, he thought it proper.—
The Army of Referee Mt had been infpendesl, he-
caufe there were peat doubts of the poffibility of its
being carried further, and then the fines were turned
over for the purpnfe of lop:sorting a new fyilem,
called, " The Additional Force Aft," which alto
failed. It appeared to him, that the bell mode was
to open as great a 'variety of channels as pritlible, to
thole who were difpoled to enter into the Service of
the country. Some men would prefer the Militia,
Come the limited fervice, and fume the fervice f •r life.
Mr. WINDHAM laid, that he did not mean to
go at length into the difctdTion of the plan proptifed,
but the Houle would fee that it was abiolutely
im-
pnflible that he Should allow lime obfervations of the
Noble Lord to go Onarbfwered. In addition to this
motive, which made it abfolutely necefrary for him
to rife, he thought it was neceflary to fix the atten-
tion of the Houle to the real queltion which was at
Übe. The queilion was, how to procure the number
of men that was wanting to complete the regular
army, to the point that was judged neceflary in the