Star.
London, England, 1823-03-08 00:00:00

-IJle Member if there was any truism in that ?—(.4
wigh).—He asserted them to be facts. As to our
Culonies, they were not worth preserving at such an
experie; and unless we adopted a different system in
the government of the lonian Islands, our whole force
would not keep them down. They ought not to go
to the consideration ofso important a subject with
thin a House. He hoped that from the change that
appeared to have taken place in the policy of the
Government, farther reductions. would have been
made. As we were withdrawn from the Continental
Alliance which was doing so much mischief to the
world, he had hoped we should keep to ourselves, and
not require such enormous military establishmet.t,.
The Amendment was then put, and nega,.i.ed
Without a division.
ARMY ESTIMATES.

The House then went into a Committee of Supply.
Lord PALNIERSTON said, that it was not his in-
tention to detain the Committee at any length in
bringing forward the Resolutions for the Su; plies.
The variations from the Estimates of last year were
so trifling that a very brief explanation would be sof-
ficient. Tire amount of forces would not vat y, ex-
cept that there was a small addition of two companies
for the West India Islands, to have the charge *f
military culprits. The amount of charse would be
18,0001. less. The Committee would recollect that
upon a former occasion, he stated that the expense
of this year would be 59,000/. more than the last,
because the charge was then less than it bad a right
to be, from a certain number of regiments going out
to India and returning, during which time they were
maintained by the Company. consequence of
various reductions which had been made, tio.re would
instead of this ex peced increase, a reduction of
15,7001. Upon the first head of lotto! en-, there
would be one of '2B 899/. ti port Stair (Mi.:cis, a dirni-
rution of 7,000/. in the Public Devi:ton:las, a dimi-
mioa of :,1331. upon Medicioes, a decrinay: of
tt'dol, upon the Volunte•T Corp., a decrease of
::'3.6071. leaving upon die lir-t head of the Estirmoes
a balance of decrease to the alumna of '21,15U/.
L',,irr the 11:Iired Charges, there was an incre.oe of
7,W:4 upon the Royal Military College, a Minim,•
tion of '2,OX/. upon the Army Pay of General Of-
ricers, an increase of 391/. upon the Char: -e for the
Garrisons, an increase of '284. ¶rioi; the Fo:i• pay of
reMcd ()dicers a diminution of 8,991/. upon the Ilalf- '
pay and Military Allowances, a dec.! ease of 11,6611.'
upon the Fat eign !half pay, a decrease of 3094 upon
she ci.,ar,,,e for In-pensioners of Chelsea and K if Main-
ham Ilopitals, a .Iminution 0f4.8311. for the Ont-pe-
nsioners of Chelsea Ilospital, an increase of 31,5871-
arising flora an augmeatation of their numbers.
Upon the Royal Military Asylum, a diminution of
V!. non Widows' Pen ions, as increase of 2,0001.
u;)on the Compassionate List, county warrants, arid
reasi ms for wounds, an increase of 596/ upon Su-
perannuation Allowances, a decrtase of 'lOOl. and
the Exchequer fees, of course, remained the same.
The Noble Lord then stated, that the total of the
present estimates, taking the mdinaries, i%traordr-
lorries, and barracks, was 950,0001. les, than those
contemplated by the Finance Committee. Ile con-
elioted by moving the first Resolution for granting
09,4,59 land forces, exclusive of '2691 meet of the
Vete:an Battalion for Ireland.

Mr. HUME could iu see why !..o large a number
of troops were to be kept up. They could not be
necessary in the pi eent state of the country ; and he
anticipated, from the changes which had taken place
is the Government, that we should see no more of
those violent measures against the people, %%filch re-
quited military force to carry them into execution.
Tile most expensive troops were.the Foot Guards and
the Ca% airy, amounting to 11,000 men ; he was sa-
ti•tied that nearly half of these troops might be re-
' (bleed. He could see no necessity whatever for
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Levin., eight thousand cavalry. in England. He did
Lavin.,
nut, at the present moment, wish to lessen materially
the number of our troops, because in our negocia-
tions now pending, our doing so might lessen our
ialuence with the other Powers. But saving must
be effected by changing the character of the troops,
and making them all equally useful. The Guards
-...-e,e not necessary at all for their present uses, and
0-:At to be made available to the service of the,
felonies, and other duties.
. Sir A. HOPE defended the utility of the services
performed by the Guards.
Mr. DEN MAN did not rise to oppose the
.grant,
because the position of the country was such that it
was impossible to say what energies she might not
be speedily railed upon to put forth. From the intel-
ligeace which was an iving every hour, it was pro-
hahle that our situation might be changed within 21
. hours. The distresses of a large class undoubtedly de-
manded every po.,sible attrition to economy, and to
.
the remission of taxes, but that was contingent upon
peace, and uron the state in which the country was
placed. When they saw the confederacy of semi-
', barbarous nations endeavouring to overwhelm the
iliberties of the world, they must look with just alarm
to their establishing themselves in the Sou an a Eli r ope.
I Their intentions had only lately been unmasked to the
. People of this country, who never could believe that
th:y had the audacity to en-certain them, until they
%vete pubiicly,declared by a Minister of France in
the Chamber of Deputies. He was quite satisfied that
1
l:would be found worthy of this country ; and
Le was sorry that the Right Hon. Gentleman was not
• tilll4Cjors7s e taken by the Secretary of State fur Foreign
.ti Present to hear him express that satisfaction. He was
Ai net less sorry for the cause which prevented him from
• being present. If war commenced, our only course
' was to direct hostilities in support of Spain at once.
. ' It was the only course which the country could foi-
l.. 1°"/ -with honour and justice. He entirely agreed
%.'ith the sentiments which had been expressed at liar-
"tclt, and at Liverpool ; and in whatever company
' he found them, he should always welcome the prin-
ciples of civil and religious liberty all over the world._
The interest of this country, as well as the support of
'Ls honour and character, demanded that we should
not oe backward in entering into the contest. Sup-
-I'l'in Spain to be collo:weird by these principles of
14terference, where would be the safety for Ireland?
'Phis was the last opportunity he should have for some
time ot
being present in the House, and he was there
r
re d'''.o,o of else:, .sing Ins sentiments. upon this
Important subject. In .iris opinion, the moment the
eirenev, were crossed, this country should consider
\;:r'ell in 4 "'lle 1114/Al6l6f:a with France. That t% as
!e feeling of the peoele of this country, and it would
'`erY day be a rising feeling if the.cootest were once