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__ and Fox, but it was no disparage-
ment not to tise to the talents of those great States...
men ; but his Noble Friend had given splendid proof
of his gi eat ability. The question of the Peace of
Amiens, and the subsequent triumph of the country.,
might be attributed to the wise measures of his Noble
Friend. The very year afterthe peace of Amiens he
provided £12,000,000 for the public service. The
excellent administration of his Noble Friend greatly
contributed to raise the triumph of the country.--:
The Hon. Gentleman had endeavoured to wound his
Noble Friend in a quarter which all who knew hint
would say was impregnable. No personal interest
had ever Unelected with his Noble Friend's duty.—
' When he left the Chair of that House, which he filled

twelve or thirteen years, nothing could induce him to
look at his private interest. His Majesty was recom-
mended to grant him a provision commensurate to
his services, but his Noble Friend peremptorily in-
sisted that no provision whatever should be made
for him while he was engaged in the hazardous
affairs of the country. The King had issued his
commands for a Message to be brought down to
that House to reward the services of iris Noble
Friend, as Speaker of the House; but his Noble
Friend had desired that it might not be done.—
The Hon. Member (Mr. Creevey), for purposes best
known to himself, had referred to a paper on the table
which recalled the afflicting domestic circumstantes
in the family of his Noble Friend, although in his
(the Marquis's) opinion there was not the slightest
necessity for such a recurrence with any view to the
Hon. Member's argument. His Noble Friend had
filled the offices of Speaker, Prime Minister, and Se-.
cretary of State; the latter in a period of ten of the
most critical years in the history of the country.—
And this was the individual who was to be grudged
the reward of his long services, and in respect of whom
a charge was to be brought against the Crown for
doing that which it had been empowered to do by
Parliament—(Hear, hear, hear).—He really felt that
he was abusing the patience of the House in enlarging
upon such a subject ; but.he could not, with satisfac-
tion to his feelings as a Gentleman, refrain from thus
noticing the speech of the Hon. Member for Shrews-
bury a speech he believed to be the most disgusting
and disgraceful ever uttered within the walls of a Bri-
tish Parliament—( Cheersfrom the Treasury benches).
Mr. BROUGHAM rose and said—" I protest,
Sir, against the tone and language in which the
Noble Lord has presumed to address a Representa-
tive of the People in this House—(Loud cheers from
the Opposition side).-4 protest against the principle
of this language; and I am surprised how any Mi-
nister should dare—(Loud cheers from the Opposition,
re-echoed from the Ministerial side. In the midst of the
contending cheers, which laded for some minutes)
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY rose to order,
and said—" When any Hon. Member uses the word
dare,' as applied to any remark made by any other
Menher in the course of a preceding speech, I NS-
prehend it is quite incon-istent with the order of Par-
liamentary proceedings—(Cheers repeated on both
sides). It the term is applied to any observation used
by me, it is irregular ; for at the time of making a
remark which could call for such in expressicai, the
Hon. and Learned Member's Laity was to have in-
terrupted me, and called for the ohjectioriable words
iu order to have them taken down, that the sense of
,he House might be taken on them. The Hon. and
Learned Member has neglected to do so, and I now ap-
peal to the Chair whether he is regular in the expres-
sion he has used ?"—(Cheers, and cries of Lhair, Chair).
The SPEAKER.—" As 1 ani appealed to by the
Noble Lord, I must say, that it would not be con-
sistent with the usual practices of debates it I we. e to
interrupt Hon. Members in the use of expressions
which may be interpreted with two meanings.-one of
which would not be against the rules of debate. Un-
doubtedly, if the use of the word " dare" were to be
interpreted in the sense in which the Noble Lo: d takes
it, it would be quite disorderly ; but the House will
allow me to say, that the term is one which is fre-
quently used in debate without any offensive intention
on the part of the Member speaking, and'no ir.teirup-
tion is given. lf, in the heat of debate, many ex-
pressions drop from Members which may not !nut the
most minute investigation, I trust the House o ill not
think it neglect in the Chair not to call to order.—
The reason is, that on such occasions the Chair would
make that an offence which most probably was never
intended—(Cheers). I apprehend that if the House
has attended to the debate, they will recollect that
the expression used by the Honourable Member (Mr.
Bankes), in allusion to what fell from the Hon. Mem-
•ber for Shrewsbury (Mr. H. G. Bennet), was used in
the warmth of debate, and without any intention of
personal offence, and that the reply given to it by
the Honourable Member for Shrewsbury was of a
similar character. This was the reason why I did
not call to order at the time, because I conceived
that the words were not intended to give offence, and
therefore the interruption would be unnecessary."
Mr. BROUGHAM," Sir, I should bow to the de-
cision of the Chair, if given against me, with the same
respectful deference that I would now return thanks
for its decision in my favour, if, indeed, thanks could
be required for the performance of a duty. Every
man who heard the expressions I used, in reply to the
extraordinary language of the Noble Lord, must have
taken it in the same sense in which you, Sir, have
taken it—that it was not meant offensively to any
Member. If the Noble Lord's ingenuity had not dis-
covered it (which I excuse) his experience at least in
Parliamentary matters ought to have taught him that
the term is appliel, and has been applied again and
again, without any personally offensive intention. I,
Sir, used the term when I heard a Minister of the
Crown presuming (for I must not use a harsher word)
to charge a Representative of the People with using
language disgusting and disgraceful; but I will re..
peat the sense of the term, though it may not be per•
mitted to use the sound—that whether it be pre.
suming, or venturing, or pleasing (for to such critics
of words I will give the whole vocabulary of the
English language, such as it is understood by those
who speak it, and by him who does not, and I will
give him his own vocabulary into the bargain) and
I will say, that in this House no man ever before
heard a Minister of the Crown using snai epithets at
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, Hon.r must have. known his Noble raretid
did not *sive the Chair front any Wish ofbis owns he
was indtieed to take a part in ere Government from
a sense of public duty. His Noble Friend had Leen
compared with Pitt and Fox, but it was no disnarace-

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