Star.
London, England, 1814-11-30 00:00:00

ORANGE SOCIETIES.

Sir JOHN NEWPORT rose for the purpose of
moving for papers upon the subject of Orange As-
sociations still existing in Ireland. He had hoped
that the strong sense of disapprobation expressed
by Parliament in 1813, would have rendered any
further notice unnecessary, but being disappointed,
and knowing how destructive these illegal corpora-
tions were to the tranquillity of his native country,
he had thought it his duty to submit to Parliament a
distinct proposition upon the subject. It was full
time that the people of Ireland should know that
these Associations were illegal, and punishable by
the Statutes of the land; while, however, the Chief
Secretary of the Lord Lieutenant gave them his
countenance, approbation, and protection, it was not
to be supposed that their numbers would be dimi.
nished, or their proceedings made the subject of legal
invcsqation. He quoted the opinions of Lord Castle.
reagh and Mr. Canning, delivered during the hit
Session, in which they had expressed themselves in ,
terms of strong reprobation of these Associaticns.
How coal their sentiments, however, have any
weight in Ireland, while the Irish Government re-
ceived Addresses from these leaders and from Grand
Roles, claiming protection, to which answers sten,
returned applauding their principles and proceedings ?
Whatever might be any man's iniividual opinion
'upon the question, it was his duty, when in a public
capacity, to be guided by 'die judgment of the Legis-
lature. The Grand Jury who had presented the Ad-
dress were termed loyal mel—but if loyal meant, as
the Honourable Baronet contended it did, obedience
to the laws, the word was misapplied, for they had
neglected dieir duty in not complying with the Sta-
tute, which related to the appointment of Chaplains
ta Catholic Prisoners in Ireland. A had been a mat-
ter of frequent contest between them and the Judges
Of Assize. He concluded by moving, "That there
be laid before the House copies of all Addresses of
Societies or bodies of men, calling them-elves Orange
Associations, in Ireland, to thelrish Government, with
eopi.es of such answers as had been returned thereto "
Mr. PEEL rose for the purpose of seconding the
motion of the Honourable Baronet, br he wish el the
subject to be fully investigated, although he believed
that the dociments were not of such a nature as the
House usually required. It was difficult to divine
the object of the speech of the Right Honourable BA
ronet, unless, as he had once informed th.! House
that he was an Irish descendant cf one of King Wil-
liam's Dutch Guards, he wished to prove that he
was no Orangeman—(Hear, hear!) Mr. Peel re-
grated that the Right Honourable 13 iromet had not
stated any grou„ds for his motion, nor the charges
which he had personally brought against him es Chief
Secretary for Ireland. On what documents did he
ground the assertion, that he (Mr. Peel) had ap-
plauded and encouraged the proceedings of Orange
Societies ? Where were these Addresses from Orange-
men, and the answers approving the plan on which
they proceeded ? He would state to the House the
only authorities -for the exaggerated statement of the
Right Honourable Baronet. On the presenting of
some Petitions regarding Orange Societies in the last
Session by Sir Henry Parnell, he (Mr. Peel) had
made some remarks upon the subject, which had met
with the approbation of different classes, and among
others, of the Grand Jury for the county of Peyote-
nagh, who had sent him an Address thanking him
for his exertions: he had replied, expressing his high
sense of the opinion they had given, and t! discou-
raging all associations of a political nature not under
the controul of Government." Were then the asser-
tions of the Right Honourable Baronet correct ?
(Hear, (rear!) He had never received any other ad-
dresses or representations, directly or indirectly, ex-
cepting from the City of Dublin, thanking bun for
his able defence of the loyal inhabitants of Ireland
against the slanders of defeated ambition." Of
what he had said upon this subject last Session, he
would nut retract a syllable, since his opinions had
I received additional confirmation. The Right Hen.
Barianet was wholly misinformed upon the subject of
the objections of the Titular Bishop to the Chaplain
nominated for the prison by the Grand Jury of the
county of Form inagh. Under these circumstances,
al:lir ugh he should second the motion, he wished that
the Right Honourable Baronet, on future occasions,
would bring forward his motions with more conside-
ration of the grounds which were necessary to sup-
port it.
Mr. CROKER submitted that, as the Papers re-
quired were oily private documents, the House
would not require them. He therefore moved the
-previous question.

Mr. F I ZGEIt A LD thought that the Papers
ought to be produced, .although no Parliamentary
ground had been laid, for the consideration of the.
ciiarachr of his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Peel).
Mr. CROKER explained, that the addresses were
only transmitted to Mr. Peel, as a Member of Padia-
mer.t, and not as a public officer.
Mr. POLE supported the Motion of Sir John
Newport.

Mr. BANKES thought the documents, if they
existed, ought to be laid upon the table.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, all he could assert
was, that he had seen the Address to which he had
alluded in print. He did not answer for its authen-
ticity ; but he had thought it his duty to mention it
to the House, that they might pronounce upon the
legality or illegality of such Associations.
Mr. PEEL allowed that great abuses had prevail-
ed. As he understood that the Honourable Member's
motion was founded on a paragraph in the newspa-

pen, which he also understood had been misstated,
he was anxious that the Honourable Baronet should
carry his motion... If an address- had been, on any
occasion, madelaiM, and he had not returned any
answer to it, he hoped that would not appear incoa.
sistent with the declaration he had made.
The motion was then put and agreed to.
1111tRAD.

Mr. Alder Man C. SMITH moved for leave to
bring in a MI to repeal the Acts relating to Bread
sold in the City of London, and within twelve miles
thereof, and to prevent the adulteration of Bread
made of flour, within the same bounds.

Mr. BARING .had never heard of a Bill being
introduced for altering a law on so important and
generlly interesting a subject as the present, without
some reason for the alteration being assigned.
Mr. Alderman SMITH said it frequerdy his,.
pened, that bread sold by chandlers within the Ci 7 • f
London, but which had been baked in thi'coucriy,
was found to be deficient in weight ; but when the
Magistrates came to look into the case, they found
that they hid not sufficient power to prais4
trans!,resiors. This was one strong reason for
introduction of the present Bill. All he wished was,
that the Bill should be printed, and that the considc.
ration of it should postponed till after the uct.ss.
Leave given.

ACCoUNTS.
Mr. BANKES moved, that there be lad before
the House an account of the number of Accounts
auclitedzup to June, 1814.; also a List of the Ac-
counts lodged since that time, :or the pulp: se t,t
being audite&

Tile CHANCELLOR of the LXCHEQUEP.
moved that these words be added, " Specifying wht..
ther such Accounts are complete and accompanied
by voucher; or incomplete and unaccompanied by
vcurLers."

The motion, as amended, was agreed to ; as were
also s;milar motions as to the number of West India
,Accounts audited and unaudited a summary state.
meat of the proceedings. of.tbe Commissioners Ire
auditing the Barrack Accounts since the 10th day of .
June, 1811, stating.what Accounts had been ladvd .
with them since that time, and when they were likely.
to be completed. A similar statement as to the pro.
gress made by Mr. Saunders in examining the Ac.'
counts of the late Mr. Wyatt. with the number of
those A ccouots remaining to he examined. A similar
statement as to Regimental Accounts, for the purpose
cf ascertaining if they were accumulating. A similar
statement as to Militia Accounts. A Regimental
Account for ten ye:►rs, from 1791 to 1804: and a
summary of the Commissioners' Accounts, stating
whether they were complete or incomplete, and if
they were with or without vouchers.
Mr. BARING gave notice that he should, on a
very early day after the recess, move to refer the va-
rious s►ims on this subject, voted by the House, to
C..mmittee up stairs, that they might mike a sum-
mary statement thereof to the House, specifying to
wha: period any of said accounts had been investi:
gated, and the number and dates of the Reports.
R?ccipts, and Expenditures of the West India Cam-

On the motion of Sir JOHN Naw-eortT, there was
ordered to be laid before the House a copy of the
List of Fees in the Court of Chancery in Ireland,
since the year 1740.
Mr. BROGDEt brought up the Report of the
Conwni t tee of Supply of yesterday, wffich was agreed to.
Mr.PONSONBY, while he disclaimed every idea of
any disposition to throw obstacles in the way of Mi-
nisters, or to retard the public business, which he
knew he had it in his power effectually to do at the
present moment, (there being nothing like forty Mem-
bers in the House) begged to suggest to the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer that it would be a great ac.
commodation to the House, if he would postpone the
Adjournment from Thursday to Friday. He hoped
the Right Hon. Gentleman would have no objection
so far to accommodate the House, considering that a
motion of an Honourable Member already stood for
discussion on Thursday.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
conceived that there was nothing to hinder him from
moving to-morrow that the House should, at its rising
on Thursday, adjourn to the day he had mentioned.
Mr. BANKES conceived that the motion alluded
to by the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Ponsonby)
could not lead to any lengthened discussion. It was
merely for papers for future consideration.
Mr. CROKER thought there could hardly be any
objection coproduce the Papers, if they were previously
pointed out.
Mr. HORNER was happy to hear that there was
so great a disposition to produce the Papers he in-
tended to move for, and trusted he should see the
same disposition to accommodate him in the Colonial
Secretary, as he Was happy to observe in the Admi.
ralty. He hoped, however, that the motion of Ad-
journment, if to be made on Thursday, should be
postponed till his motion.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, he should press his motion of Adjournment, at
whatever hour $ but he had no objection to bring it
forward to-morrow.
The SPEAKER said, to accelerate a notice was
out of the practice of that House.
Mr. W. POLE was convinced there would be no
necessity for debating the question for production of a
the Papers, provided a list of them was produced.
Mr. HORNER said, if the Right Hon. Gentle-
man acted for all the Departments, he would have
known that he (Mr. Horner) had already submitted
to the Gentlemen on the other side a list of all the
Papers he meant to move for.
Mr. WHITBREAD contrived, that in a celo-
brated case, namely, a debate on the Orders in Council,
in the year 1811, a notice had been accelerated.
Here the matter dropt.
The Report was then read, and the several Reso-
lutions agreed to.
Lord Walsingham's Annuity Bill, and the Iri•ti
Glass Act Bill, were severally committed, and the
Reports on each ordered to be received to.morrow.
Mr. Alderman Salmi brought in the Bread Assies
Bill, which was read a first time and ordered to be
read a second time to-morrow.
Mr. LOCKIIA al. gave notice that he should to-morrow
move for leave to bring in a Bill to regulate the right
of voting in Boroughs, Cities, and Towns Corporate.
better
IDLE obtainedterpaving,ligh leave tobring in a BillshTowal for ti:c
in the
tha
Parish of St. Pancraso—Adjourned.

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WEDNESDAY, iIOVEMIIER So, 1814.

ST. ANDILIIreII Pt the Sulk.

A Hamburgh Mail arrived this morning. From
the German Papers which it has brought, we select
the following articles. Our Readers wilt not fail to
temark, that the report from Vienna that the Allied
sovereigns will remain in that capital until the end
of January, is in perfect unison with the measure of
adjourning Parliament until the 9th of February. We
must presume that by that period Lord CASTLEREAGH
will be able to appear in his place, after accomplish-
ing the great mission with which he is entrusted t