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PARIAMENTARr PROCEEDANGS.

" HOUSE OF LORDS, JUNE u.

Lard Homer moved to difeharge the order of the day for
the record reading of the Clergyman's Eligibility Bill; and a
new Order WAS made, for the Bill to be read a fecond time on
Monday.
Mr. Attic w was heard fdr the Appellant, in the Appeal Caufe
rialket and the York Buildings Company v. Stuart. After
which the farther heariug was adjourned to Monday.
A farther hearing on the Appeals, Menzies v. Menzies,
Bruce*. Bruce; end Sir John Colquhoun e. the Magiltrates of
Dumbarton, was adjourned till to-morrow.
Reeve's Divorce Bill was alfo adjourned till to-morrow,
Nine Bills were brought up from the Commons, and pretest-
ed by Mr. Charles Dunclas, Sir Matthew White Ridley, Sir
William Elford, Mr. Annelley, the Wavle of Woreciter,
and others, and read a lint time.
The Greenock Port Bill was adjourned till to-morrow.
A Naturalization Bill was read a flrft time.
Upon the third reading of the Bill to explain
and amend an Aft of the 29th of the prefent King,
for explaining and amending the Aft of James I.
relative to the tanning of the hides of honks, bulls,
&c. for the purpofe of making boots and (hoes, Ste.
The Duke of BEDFORD Paid, he was not prepar-
ed to go much at large ;no a difcuffion of the
provifions of the Bill, and therefore he should not
refill the third reading. He wi(hed, however,
that fomething more effeftual were done on the
fubjeft than explaining and arnending from time
to time the Aft of James I.' which ought to be
repealed altogether, as an Aft extremely op-
preffive to the fubjeft, and unneceffarily revere,
if fully carried into effeft. Even now the claufe
relative to the cutting and flafhing of hides, if
a butcher's boy, his Grace Paid, by accident in
(tripping off the hide of a bullock, cut it, the
accident might be made the ft3,bjeft of endlefs
litigation ; the infpeftor of hides, who was to
receive the penalty, was of cotirfe interefted in
having a profecution inftituted, the butcher might
be convifted, and then there would be an appeal to
the Jullices, and from them to the Plarter-Sef-
lions, and fa on. A perfon, he raid, had obtained
a patent for tanning leather with elm-bark, whereas
it was now known that eh and willow bark would
tan leather as well. He wilhed therefore that the a&
was repealed, and that everyman might ufe what
bark he belt approved, and that the patent might
be left to (land at common law.—The Bill was
read a third time..—Adjourned. •

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. . . 'HOUSE OF COMMONS.
.Tia iolli Cappdgis DM was raid a faxed time and eons-
misted it:
Alp= s . ' Nate.awas read a third en oad paled.
, Wad Into& Camaktaisaa Elbe Gaspe Ware
was iradoad, wed ordered to be takes late
further arMoolay.
Mr. N. Amy somad area Assam date Podia.
• el she Canna Duty as Ssaireas. Wrought Mon sod dieldp-
twilit* Slimes Oss dot /ad il mss, dialagiting ifs ammo
of each year; which ' deed and immediately preftsted,
sad ordered to Sets dlit
Mr. BA/LOOS 11101411.11.11 ale Shoos of the _Committee on
the Ira Martial Law which was agreed to.
The hint Tea Duty MII was rani a Second time, and ordered
to be camandeted tasnerialn •
The resod reading et the nit inedtion Bill was put off till
tainorrow. t
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SUPPLY.
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Mr. BRAGGv brought up the Report of the Com.
mittea. of Supply.
Upon the Refolution being read, for increafing
the Salary of the Chairman of the Committees in
the. Houfe of Lords, from 15001. to 25001.
Mr. Tisaiiiv thought it was attempted in this
inflance to take the Houfe by forprife, and to induc
therm, almoft before they wereawareof it,toincreafe
lb* burdens of the public. The ssool. before paid
So the Noble Lord; had been paid out of the Civil
LW. It was now pmpofed the Public fhould pay
the Turn of 25001. A prefent, therefore, of tsool.
was to be made to the Civil Lift, and the whole
35001. wasto be an additional burden on the Public.
The CHANCILLOt of the Esc Lula raid, he
•• malt obferve, that the propofition'objekted to was
for the parpofe of making good to the Civil Lift
the furn of ;goo'. paid to Lord Walfingham for
his fervices as Chairman to the Committees in the
Haute of Lords, during the.year 1799. The fum
hitherto paid to that Officer was entirely depen-
dent ppon the will of his Majefty, but had been
regularly paid tsool. per annum. The bufinefs,
however, of the Committees in the Houfe of Lords,
having within the gait two years enormonfly in-
ereared, the Noble Lord alluded to was thought
fairly entitled to an increafe of emolument. He,
therefore, titifted the Houfe would agree to the
Refolution.
Mr. Gear oppofed the Refolution. He thought
the propofed fum was not merited by the fervices
performed for it; and that if the Civil Litt was
• inadequate to the demand upon it, a Propottion
ought to be made to the Hook upon that fubjeft.
After tome further ecnwerfation between the
Chancellor of the Eschequo., Mr. Grey, Mr.
Tierney, Mr. Mire, and Mr. Wilberforce, the
Howie divided, for the Refolution 80, Againft it 19.
The other Refolutions were agreed to, and a
8411 ordered.

Mr. Try lazy. adverted to the fum total of the
Expenditure between Great Britain and Ireland,
and conceived, that when the latter had paid her
fixed proportion of two-feventeenths of the whole
amount, there would accrue a Paving to that
country of 38 1. the proportionate fum being
fo much lefs tt.Therformer expenditure, which
fumof 384,0001.muft becomean additional burden
upon Great Britain in confequence of the Union.
Mr. CORRY, in anfwer, obferved, that the pro-
portion of, each country towards the general Ex-
penditure was fixed according to their refpeetive
abdity, and not by the aftual fum which was at
that time the amount of the expenditure of each.
He denied that any additional burden would *rife
to this country in confequence of the Union.
Mr. G. Pommes, role to (peak, but the Speaker
having obferved, there was no queflion before the
Hours, the converfation ended.
ADDISON'S DIVORCE ZILE.
On the motion for the Speaker's leaving the
Chair, to go into a Committee on the above Bill,
The 8, 'milli produced a Letter which he read
to the Houfe, from Mr. Smith, Solicitor for Mr.
Addifon, Rating that he had been ferved with the
Order of the Houle, but had no means of com-
ar.,,licatieg -with M;.Addifon, who was but of

the kingdom, and whom he believed to be in idol-
vent circumftances, without the means of employ-
inCotmfel or defending himfelf again(! the Bill.
trile SOLICITOR GENERAL made fome obferva-
lions upon the impropriety of proceeding in a mea-
fure of this nature in. the abfence of the party
againft whom it was ditetted, particularly as it
was the firft inflance before the Houfe of a Wife
fuing to be divorced from her hufband.

fore, was no ground , .to refute it now. But the
fad was,' that an application had been made to his
Hon. Friend by thole unfortunate men, who corn•
plained of being calumniated by the Secret Com-
mittee. 'He (Mr. Grey) was unacquainted with
any of thefe men, but he underftood that not one
of them had been imprifoned, and that they were
ready to challenge the fevered fcrutiny of their,
condo& If the Right Hon. Gentleman, who was'
the firs Law Officer of the Crown, was really
ignorant whether any of theft men were confined,
he would alk, could the Houfe truft the execution
of the powers of this At to a perfon fo inattentive
to his duty ? and if thefe men were really guilty,
as the report Rated, and ftiU (Uttered to remain at
large, how could the Right Hon. Gentle Man ex-
cufe himfelf?
Mr. LEIGH faid, his Right Hoe. Friend (the
Attorney-General) was not bound to have any
official knowledge of what number were confined
under the tufpention of the Habeas Corpus Aft.
But the qneftion before the Houfe had.no relation
to that fuhjed—the queftion was, could the
Houfe feel Well juftified in refuting indemnity to
thofe Minifters and their Agents, who by drawing
a line of circumvallation round the Conftitution,
fucceeded in faring it, amid the general wrecks had
of Conftitutions throughout Europe—had ailed in
tun-thence of the Aft for the tufpenfion of the
Habeas Corpus, an Ad which was not intended to
punifh the open traitor, for he could be reached
by the ordinary courfe of the law, but was calcu-
lated to defeat the machinations of thofe cowardly
myflerious traitors, who would urge others to ads
of infurredion and rebellion, which they had not
the courage or the manhood openly to advocate?
Mr. WHITBREAD animadverted on the Werra-
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motion. tions of the lad Speaker. The Right Hon. Gentle-
Sir W. MILNER was for delaying the further man (the Attorney-General) admitted, he faid,
difcuffion of fo important a meafure till to-morrow. that he was competent to anfwer the queftion of
The following Petitions againk the Bill were his Hon. Friend, he Rated, that itwas a fecret his
then prefented:— renfe of public duty would not allow him to dere.
By Mr.S hERIDAN,from John Barnes and Thomas lope ; yet his Right Hon. Friend (the Chancellor
Humphreys ; by Mr. Ti from J. Young ; of the Exchequer) immediately afterwards de.
by Mr. WHITBREAD, from John Maxwell, Wm. dared, there was no objedion to give the informs'.
Edwards, Alex. Rogers, John Ox lade, and George tion anted for, but it mud he applied for in anothei
Epfworth; by SirFaa ac is BURDETT, from Charles nape and at another. time; that is, after the de-
Clay, John Barnard, Jun. Robert Flynn, John bate Shall have gone by upon which that inform-
Hafelden, and Richard Socker. tion might be important. He was tempted to
Mr. WHITBREAD raid, that from the report of (*at that the information looked for would not
the Committee it appeared that the perfons who tend much to fupport the affertion contained in
i had been confined under the Sufpenfion of the the report of the Committee. He did not think
Habeas Corpus Ad, and had lately been releafed, the Right Hon. Gentleman would be fo fhy to an-
were the foremoll in promoting (edition and fedi. twee the queftion of his Hon. Friend, if that an.'
tious meetings. He therefore begged to be in- (wer would make any thing for his argument.—
formed what number of perfons who had been The Committee, he was afraid, took too much on
difcharged were again taken up, and are now con- troll. Minifters were culpably negligent, as def-
fined for treafonablepradices ? cribed by his Hon. Friend, or the Committee were
The Coat:m.l.ot of the EXCHEVER faid, he deluded, and if fo, be called on the Houfe not to
did not feel himfelf bound to anfwer the Honour- proceed, upon their report, to a meafure of fuch
able Gentleman's queftion ; but if he thought pro• magnitude as the prefent. The Late Minifters had
per to move for an account of the number of per. ventured upon many aas, and extraordinary powers
lons confined under the Sufpenfion of the Habeas had been conferred upon them, which would never
Corpus AEI, he fhould have no objeetion to deli- have been dreamed of only for the French' Re-
vering the account to the Houk. He had, he faid, volution [a cry of hear ! hear !] but the country
miftaken the queftion put by another Hon. Gen- was always confoled by the affurance that they
tleman, Mr. Grey. had the refponfibility of Minifters as a fecurity
Mr. SHERIDAN contended far the neceffity of againft the abufe of thofe powers. But what
poflponing the third reading of the Bill until the would become of refponlibility if the meafure be-
information required by his Hon. Friend was given fore the Houfe was adopted ? It would be a pre.
to the Houfe in tome fhape or other; as the Houfe cedent to encourage any future Minifters to do as
would then be able to form a judgment of the Re. he pleafed—it would extinguifts the importance of
port of the Secret Committee relative to the per- that Houfe—and completely blaft the profpeß
fons who Fad petitioned that Houfe. which the friends of Englilli liberty Rill indulged,
The CHANCELLOR of the ExcH Kota faid, the of the return of our good old Conftitution. He
queftion of the Hon. Gentleman was introduced concluded with an amendment, that in place of the
at rather a fingular period—after the Report of word "now,' the words "Monday next" fhould
the Committee from which it was (aid to ante had be infected.
been nearly two months upon the Table, during Lord HAWKESEURT faid, that Gentlemen on
which the Hon. Gentleman had betrayed no de- the other fide of the Houfe had uniformly made
the fame oppofition they did now to every mea-
fire to be informed on this fubjeft—had (hewn no
anxiety as to the charader or fate of thofe perfons fure that had been adopted for the fafety of the
country, fence the Ertl introduition of the Alien
for whom he now teemed fo folicitous, until the
moment arrived for the final difcuffion of a mea- Ad. Their minds appearecho be differently con-
fure upon which the information cleared was not ftituted from thofe of all other perfons; for when
. there was danger they denied its exiftence, and
by any means neceltarT. In expreffing the readi
they could fee no fecurity arifing from the means
nets which he felt to give every information to the
Houle upon this fubjed, be begged that it might that had been taken to avert the danger. He
certainly '
not be underftood that he was in the lead degree agreed that were it not for the French
Revolution, the prefent meafure would never have
inclined to accede to the doubt which had. been
been propofed. His Lordthip then entered into
infinuatod as to the truth of the Report of the
Committee. He knew it was a debt due to the the nature and confequences of that Revolution,
Houfe to inform them fully upon this queftion,and contended that it was an evil of much greater
magnitude than thole which belonged to other
but would the Hon. Gentleman gravely fay that
fisch information was then effential ? If to, why ages. It was not like thofe which had been fup-
had not the Houfe the advantage of the Hon.
preffed by ordinary ineans ; but it was an evil that
had been gradually fpreading over many parts et
Gentleman's opinion before ! If the Hon. Gen. had
by means of a tulle phildo ,and a.
,tleman fhould pot a diftind motion, he Should have
fort of fyftematic Atheifm, until at lenph it broke
so objedion to agree to it ; but would not content
that the third reading of the important Bill under out in France, under the name of the French Re.
conlideration Should be delayed until that proceed. volution. This Revolution was different from all
ing Should take place, and the information fought thole changes that had been before known in the
for Should be obtained. world by the name of Revolutions: it canted the
deftrudion of every thing that men had been taught
Mr. SHERIDAN laid, that he was furprized the
before. It was not effeded, like former changes,
Right Hon. Gentleman could prefume to tell him
by mobs and infurTc&ions, but h had worked its
that he fhould have come forward on this queftion
before. If he had not been prevented by illnefs, way till it came to maturity by a fyllem of fecret
organization. The fpirit of this revolution fpread
he certainly Should. . With refpea to the Report
Welt into every country in Europe, but particu-
of the Committee, he mull frankly declare that a
lady into Great Britain and Ireland, where thofe
Gonunittee nominated and conftruded by the
light Hon. Gentleman was not entitled to his perfons who had little to lofe and much to pain
h
confidence;
and the Houle was bound to allow had become its advocates. An Hon. Gentleman
on the other fide of the Houfe, had affeded to dif' .
the unfortunate men whom that Report fo feverely
regard any danger in this country Reefing from the
libelled, an opportunity of vindicating therntelves.
Mr. &atm a obferved on the argument of the Pradices of difatieded perfons, on account of the
fall fpeaker, that it was not material, he contended, fmallnefs of their Humbert, and their want ofpro.
to the credit of the Report of the Committee al. Perty. He would with to At, what property woo
luded to, whether any of the perkins lately libe- there in the Rebellion in Ireland ? and there never
rated had been again arreded. They might have was a Rebellion which was fo near being fuccefa-
efeaped arreft by flight, or Government, through ful ; and it was owing to the unexampled heroifna
clemency, might have declined to commit them, of the Iriffi Gentry that it was cruffied fo !bon.
in eonfideration of their former imprifonment, and Whatever, therefore, might be faid about rank,
that they were to be regarded only as the amnia. confequence, and property, the example of Ire-
ries, or mere inftrunients of perfons of more im. land proved that a country might be overturned
without the *Mance either of property or names.
portance. Milers the Hon. Gentleman could
prove that one of thefe cafes was not the fad, he The principle of the prefent Bill went upon this no ground to cenfure the Committee. that without fecret information, the defigns of
Mr. Garr was at a lots to conceive why the thole who were plotting the overtinow ofthe Con-
/tight Hon. Gentleman Should objed to give the ttitution could not be connterthed ; and that by
.lohomation defired by his Hon. Friend now, if, as difclofing the (ounces of this information, Govern-
meat
mull forego the poffibility of meeting the
Le admitted, it was proper to communicate to the
Suite at any other time. and that it could be danger-which threatened it.
gsven without danger. The alledged neglect of Dr. Lawasnct toted the Bill. He conceived
'his Hoe. Friend to nik for that isforroatioa. bo• that. the Noble' Lord's dcclaration agaista the

The SPEAKER obferved, the only regular way
in which the Honourable Member could now op-
pore it, was to move to refcind the Order for ren-
dering the fervice of the Bill upon Mr. Addifon's
Solicitor good fervice.
The SOLICITOR GENERAL oppofed any further
proceeding on the Bill while Mr. Addifun was ab-
fent, but made no motion.

The Houfe then went into a Committee, Coun-
fel was heard at the Bar, and witnelres examined,
after which the Haute returned, and the Report
was ordeted to be received to-morrow.

French Revolution. was rather injurious than fa-
vourable to Lis parpote.
Mr. Jolt arrow s laid, there never was a moment
when what had been called Jacobinical principles
were in greater difcredit than at prelim. The
' Rebellion in Ireland did not arife out of Jacobini.
cal principles, but partly from religious views; and
partly from oppreflion. He could never endure
that it thould be laid, that to Minifters was owing
the preferration of our Conftitution. It was owing
to the power of the country. and of the Govern-
ment. All the great Governments of Europe had
preferred their power and Conftitution as well as
Great Britain, and the weak States only were over.
turned. There never was a period fence the begin.
nine of the French Revolution when there wasiefs
reafon to adopt a meafure like the prefent than now.
Mr. Once faid that nothing but ignorance of
the real flare of Ireland could make any Gentle-
man alfert that oppreffion, and not Jacobinic'al
principles was the caufe of the rebellion in that
country. It was very extraordinary that Gentle-
men on the other fide were always bringing for-
ward the fubjea of Ireland into their fpeeches.--
They might indeed have learnt that Ireland was
called Erin, and that that word fignified a green
and grotty foil ; but there Gentleman were as ig-
norant of the internal police of Ireland as they
were of that of Kamfchatka or Mefopotamia.
Mr. O'Hata remarked that Minifters had fared
the country, and that Parliament therefore could
not refute to fupport them.
Mr. Wst. Stara laid, he fhould not have rifen
were it not for the lofty and prefumptuous tone in
which the Hon. Gentleman who (poke lull but one
had delivered himfelf. He teemed to think that
all the Gentlemen of Oppofition were well vetted
in the Irith language, that they were acquainted
with- the etymology of the word Eris, but were
totally_ ignorant of Irith politics. The only reafon
that Hon. Gentleman had for ufing fuch an after-
don was, that the Oppofition differed from him on
certain points, in which he had been himfelf con.
tradieted by his own countrymen.
Mr. Ootat fold he was thirty years Member of
Parliament, and.during that time no Gentleman
had ever before told him that he fpoke in a.lofty
and prefumpttiobs tone. He was fent by hisCon-
flituents from Ireland to this country, where he
was a ftranger [Here the Hon. Member was called
to order by the Speaker, who obferved, that he
was not explaining.]
Mr. ELLISON &id, that the Reprefentatives of
Ireland mull know more of the Rate of that coon.
try than other Gentlemen; and he thought a fair
compliment had not been paid them on the (core
of their information. [A cry of No INo n. He
then entered into a general defence of the Bill.
Sir W. Ex rout fpoke &only in favour of the Bill.
Mr. MARTIN (of Galway) (poke alto in favour
of the meafure. Adverting to the frequent 'amen:
cations which he was accullomed to hear at what
had bees termed the demife of the Canflitution.
he raid, the conchal of certain perfons in that re-
(pea reminded him of an Irith Funeral, at which
great big tears and fobs might be beard and fan
among the mourners, Tome of whom were pro-
bably the murderers of the deceafed
The neceffity of the Bills under which she late
IGnifters had ailed was .obvious : and baring
been the means of faring the Conflitution, he
fhould moll cheerfully vote for a full indemni.
fication to them for the whole of their proceedings
under thofe falutary laws. They had -lifted pre-
cifely as the Captain of an Indianan would do on
an homeward-bound voyage. Although having
charge of one of the mot valuable cargoes that
the Eaft ever produced, if he found his veffel in
danger of being loft, he would sot • fail to throw
ow Self of the cargo overboard, foe the purpofe of
(ming the who t.—Loud and reiterated burgs of
laughter, and a cry of order fucceede4,
The amendment of Mr. Wairaatas was then
negatived without a clivilion I and on the tuellion
for the third reading of the Bill,
Mr. Joan-roes Paid, that truer there wail no
hope of the further proceedings on the Bill being
defirred, he mould move an amendment, namely.
that the words gr be difcharged and made void," be
left our, for the purpufe of inferting the following,
" till after the determination of the prelltnt war."
The quellian was put; and for tome time no
Member. offered himfelf to the Speaker's eyeiat htft
Mr. SatRIDAN rofe, though it was, be fad, with
the grtatet reluftance that he did to at fo late an
hour. Confidering. however, the filent manner in
which it feemed the difpliation of Gentlemen oa
the other fide of the Houle to rejesa this Amend-
ment, he fhould have thought that he departed
from the principles on which he had ever acted;
that he abandoned the cattle for which he had
ftruggled fo long, if lie were not to endeavour tU
expofe the impropriety of fuch proceedings.. He
begged leave firfl to notice a diftinition which bad
been attempted to be drawn, viz. between hiem:
bers for Ireland, and Members for Great Britain.
Hp contidered hinafelf as much a Reprefentitive
of the one country as the other, and of the whole
as much as of the town of Stafford, for which he
fat. Every Member of the Imperial Parliament
reprefented the whole Empire. There wore there.
fore no diftinaions to be drawn in the Houle, and
no difference to be made between the pretenfions
of the different claffes of which it is corapofed.—
The Inge Members had an undoubted right to (peak
upon Britith affairs, and he hoped they allowed
ethers correfponding privileges. An Honour-
able Gentleman had faid. he hoped the day was at
band when (itch meafures would be unneceffary.
What ground of hope there was of an end of ao.
bitrary Government be was altogether at a lots to
conceive. His imagination was too weak to coo-
jedture what change would render the Britifb na-
tion worthy of the Brit& Conflitution if they were
sow unworthy of it. Could it be laid to them, we
will emote you your liberties when we fec loyalty
prevail among you. and you are obedient to the
laws? Was the loyalty of the nation ever more
confpicuous, or its lore of order t " When you
difplay patience under your burdens I" Were the
burdens of any nation heavier than thoft• of the
Brititb nation had been for Inme time pdt ? Yet
loaded with Ulm, mad in want often of the need:

fares oflife, they bad fcarcely uttered a complaint.
" It (hall be thus when you thew a iliflicicnt
potation to military employments, and jou will
defend the State with your perfons, as well as
your fortunes!" It would be idle for him to
put fuch queftions, or to return an :intim- to
them. He defied any ode to point out a lituation
of the country when fuch a meafure would be
more objeCtionable. He Riled it the ltrongeft nico-
tine that ever intuited and degraded a Britifh Se-
nate. It was !till maintained that the Conititu-
non had been preTerved Notwithflanding the
inaudible fighs, and invifible tears, which had
been teen and heard by an Honourable Gen-
tleman, there Rill was a coffin and corpfe, to
whorofoever the murder was to be afcribed.—
Bulwarks had been thrown up to guard the Con-
flitution, and cireumvallations had been drawn
around it. Thefe were very good things when they
were not made of the citadel itfelf. Bit it would
be rather odd if after peace it fhould be afked,
where is the citadel ? and the anfwer was, we
have employed the whole of it in throwing up
works for its defence: When the Contlitution
was gone, it was but poor confolation to fay we
hest frittered it into pieces to defend it. He
molt carnet:fly withed that the example of France
thuuld not be loft fight of. He mole carnally
wifhed that it fhould be conftantly confidered. He
was, indeed, tench afraid that modern French
principles were rapidly gaining ground, and he
was firmly convinced that every exertion fhould
be made to prevent their inirodudion. What
were French principles at the prefent day? in
the people to fubmit contentedly to a military
delputititt—in the Government to opprefs the peo-
ple for the advantage of a few individuals. The
evil in the beginning of the toff century had cer
tainly been very accurately Rated by the Noble
Lord. To remedy this, evil were Bills of this na-
ture introduced? Was the Habeas Corpus wet
fafpended for eight years I Was it found necet-
Cary to keep in pay a band of (pies Rod informers ?
Were the accufed kept in eternal ignorance of their
accufers ? And were there no fecret meetings
held by the difaffeded in thole days? Had they
no correfpondence with each other ? Did they
drink no toafts but what were perfeelly loyal ? By
fuch meefures Government would certainly become
odious. The old Government ofFrance hadbecome
odious by loading the people with unneceffary bur-
dens. Had not we done the fame by proliituting
the honours of the Crown ? Had not we done fia'
too by fquandering the public money on the un-
deferring ; had not pur revenue been thus Caplan-
dered ?. and by confining the people on the Infor-
:nation of Spies, was not this pray ice now about •
to be legalifird ? Mr. S. then alluded to the fubjed
of Ireland. The Rebellion he attributed in a great
meafure to oppreffion. When there was a pros-
feribedeaft, he anted, and that comprehending the
grea telt part of the population, how could content-
ment be expelled ? He declared that he had been
an enemy to the. Union, and patticularly to the
Manner in which it bad been brought about.
But, fince it had been brought about, he was
convinced there was no alternative for the two
countries but to stand or fall together. The
Hon. Member next proceeded to advert tothe evi-
dence given by himfelf and his Hon. Friends at
Maidftone, which had been the theme of fuch co-
pious abufe, and maintained that the tehhimony at-
tending the circunaltances in which it was given
cepofed them to no fair charge, either of dififfec-
tion or incredulity. That Mr. O'Connor was
highly ditcontented with the fyftem of Govern-
/nem in Ireland he was fufficiently aware ; but if,
at the fame time, he entertained treafonable pro-
jells towards this country, he knew him too well
tb make him the confidant of his guilt. He knew
his charader too well to fuppofe that he was a
perfun who would have been inftrumental either
in concealing or promoting the defigns of treafon
and difaffedion. • The different reports of the fe-
vent Secret Committees afterwards fell under his
confederation, and he was very free of his peculiar
file of farctaftic ridicule to each of them in fucccf.
lion. In defcribing the charades, of the one, firft
relented in 1793, he defer:led in a very humor-
ous manner. the tre-atugy, the armoury, and the
camp of the difaffeded. The treafury confifting
of fifteen pounds, together with a few bad &Wings;
the armoury of fewl nifty muftpiets, and the camp
of the circumference of a back garret. He was
willing to allow that at that penod the wild en-
thufiaTm of certain perfons in their attachment to
French principles was at its height, yet even at
that period there conftituted tome of the fortni-
dable preparations which were to overthrow the
Gevernment and religion of the country, to level
all the molt venerable diftinelions of humanfociety,
tofpread devaßation and death over the face of this
once happy land. On the Report of t ego, he con-
ceived it unneceffary for him to dilate, fince it had
formed the fubjed of the animadverfions
Honourable Fnend (Mt. Grey), who had quoted
from the inftruaions to General Humbert certain
very ingenious plans for tranfporting horfes over
,rivers, In the prefent Report, all thefe former
d' gets, Rated in the two fiat Reports, were re-
vived, and we were told of the exillence of the
moll extended and dangerous confpiracy. We
were told with confidence that arms were rprovi•
d.,ed, that uniforms were prepared, and that every
thing was tending to open rebellion againft the
Government.—Bert he begged leave to alk, from
whom fuch information was obtained, except from
I the evidence of (pies, a let of men whole nter&
it was to keep alive the fame alarm of diLiffedion
to an indefinite period ? If he were afked when
had reafon to hope that this alarm would fub-
rdc, bewould anfwer, not till the band of tetra
Quin* were annihilated, or biniflied from the
r-infidence of Adminiftration. Till there efforts
acre deflroyed, and counterafted, we might look
Lrward for an eternal furpenfion of the Contlitu•
lion, to a perpetual deprivation of our liberty...-.
Bdure a Bill like the preterit was palled, Tome
,heck Rill remained on there men, that a day of
retribution might yet arrell them in their career.
—Some hope Rill remained to the unfortunate
individuals who had been the objea of unjuft
^ppreffion, that they might be enabled to obtain
kers on their perfeeutors. Ad let this Dill once

be paired, and conflitutional oppontion to what
was conceived an intafion of tle national liberties''
was at an end ; the hope of the injured was anni-
hilated, and encouragement was given tothe endlefs
increafe of fecret informers, a tit of men abhorrent
to the principle and the habits of a free Rate. It
was Paid, however, in the Report, that the difcitifure
of the names of there perfbns might be attended
with fatal consequences, and might even endanger
the lives of thofe thus held up to public obferva-
tion. But he muff confider this as a libel on the
charader of the Englifh people, and be muff ark,
whether one of there fpies had in any one inflahce
been touched, abufed, or even intuited ? The only
perfon who had experienced a revere fate was Watt,
at Edinburgh, and he was punifhed by the inter.
ference of that Government who enjoyed the be-
nefit of his Cervices. There was one part of the
prefent Report Co extraordinary in its nature, that
he could not leave it without obfervation. It was
bled that a numerous meeting had been invited
to affemble for purpofes of infurration on Ken-
nington Common, but that the aftembly bad failed
on account of the hadnefs of the day 1 He had
often heartiof a Lady's ponponing a Fete Cbamfieire
on account of the rain, but never till now had he
heard that inrurredion, for the execution of its puts
pores, was dependent on the changes-of the atraof-
phere, or that, in order to be fuccefsful, it demand-
ed a fine day. Since, however, this proved to be
the tare with thofe formidable revolutionifit, his
Majeny's Mininers, in future, on receiving the ne-
ceffary intimation from their fcouts, inhead of
feizing at once Upon the cannons, mortars, and
magnets, of the iafurgents, would have nothing
more to do, in order to frufirite their defigns,
than to obtain quiet poffeffion of their great tuats
and umbrellas I After cxpreffing in very pointed
terms his reprobation of the ufe of Spies in a free
Government, and calling on Gentlemen on the
other fide to point out any one evil which could
refult from the Amendment propofed, he con-
' eluded by giving his hearty negative to the Bill.
The Aimit/ay GENEaAL repeated his former
arguments in favour of the Bill ; defended the con-
dud of the late Minifiers in the cafe of the State
Trials of 1794; infi fled that the Coat anion would
not, ultimately, be injured by the meafures now
purfued, and gave his decided negative to the
amendment. In antiver to Mr. Sherilas obfcr-
vation refpetiing Ireland, he reminded the Houle,
that, by the contented of Arthur O'Connor and
feveral other leaders of the late Rebellion, it was
evident, that Catholit Emancipation was nothing
mare than a pretence ufed by them to effed the
reparation of that country from Great Britain.
Dr. Lawitence argued at confiderable length in
favour of the amendment, and Mr. ALllmitat
(poke againft it.
After Tome explanations, the Houfe divided on 1
the amendment, when the numbers appeared,
For the motion t7—Againa it 92.
The queffion was then put, " that the Bill do
now pals," which was carried in the affirmative,
the numbers being—Ayes 84—Noes IS.
The other orders of the day being difpofed of,
the Houle adjourned at three o'clock this morning.