Star.
London, England, 1805-07-11 00:00:00

FROM THE DUTCH PIPERS.

PARIS, JUNI 30.•••-• It is afferted that Prince Louts
will have the command of a confiderable body of
referve ; his head quarters to be at St. Amand.—
The army on the coati is at prefent fhb divided into
three corps, denominated after their Rations. The
afironomerLALANDE, has plblithed in our journals.
kme obfervations on the preparations made on our
coaft, in which he Rates the number of valets at

Boulogne at upwards of two thnufand, and that of
• the slimy at one hundred and fifty or two hundred
thoufand men.
We read in our journals, that the Spanifh (hip St.
Miguel, from Lima, is arrived at a Spanith port
with two hundred thoufand piaflres ler ti:e King,
and four hundred and feventy thonfand for the met.-
Chants, befides a rich cargo of cocoa, &c. This fhip
was met at tea by the fecond Rochefort ftiuddron,
which informed her of the war between England and
Spain. It may be interred frpm hence, that the laid
fquadron is fhaping its nude for the Welt Indies.
The Moniteur Pays, that an ordnance will be iffued
at the Hague, for deferring the payment of all debts
doe by Batavian to Britith [obje4 ts.
losvauct, juts' 17.—Yellerday a park of artil-
kry, confifling of twenty-eight pieces of cannon, it-
poanders, of howitzers, and a number of ammunition
tarts, requiring together one hundred and fixty-two
draft horfes, proceeded fromthis place to the fou-
thern parts of the Tyrol. A fecond park is to follow
on the i9th.
Lao HOKIN JUre 9.—lt is generally rumoureclithat
Prince Et/6111k 1311AUHARNOIS, Viceroy of Italy. will
marry our (teen. Other important changes are
alfo talked of. _ _

LIIPSIC, JUNG 28.—Baron NovosILTSOF will, it is
aliened, go to Bruffels. where a Plenipotentiary of
the French Emperor, the Minifter of State, will con-
fer with him.
FLostacs, Joss t4._Tufcanv, as well as Lucca,
are to be united with the new kingdom of
BONAPARTE intends to make many other changes in
Italy. To facilitate thefe changes, the Republic of
Lucca has applied to BONAPARTE for a new Confli-
tution, and requelled the honour of being governed
by a member of his family. Many more political
changes are fpeedily expected to take place in other
parts of Italy. Bormaars has undertaken to pay
all the per/lions due to the officers and husfebold of
the late Duke of PARKA, amounting to about
zoo,ooo livres per month. The pay of the French
garrifon at Leghorn has been diminiffied by tgo,ooo
Lyres per month. 'BONAPARTI promifes that the fob-
(rely for the maintenance of thole troops !hall be dif-
continued, as loon as England acknowledges the
kingdom of Etruria. ;between the Etrunan and
French Governments an exchange of territory is
about to take place.. Etruria is to cede to France
the diftrift of Orbitello and a part of the valley of
Cecina, bordering on the Duchy of Urbino, receiv-
ing in exchange the Republic of Lucca, with the
Duchies of Maffa and Carrara.
LIYDEN, JULY x.—Among the Foreign News the
following is deferving of notice—
" At Conflantinople the hopes of the Englifh to
conclude a triple alliance between Great Britain,
Rullia, and the Porte, are dilappointed, the Ruffian
Arnbaffador having declared to the Turkifb Secre-
tary of State (as we are informed) that the Ruffian
Monarch was difpofed to co.operate for a peace; hut
not to enter into an offenfive and dcfenfive alliance.
" The Ruffian Chamberlain and Miniffer of Juf.
tice,CountNovosiLTzoF, who is known to be chat/ g.
ed with a negociation, is not only already arrived at
terlin, and that fooner than was expeOed, but alfo
the Britifh Envoy at Berlin, Mr. JAcasoN, who had
been three weeks at Drefilen, is returned to Berlin
in great balk, and has already had a conference with
the Ruffian Negotiator. Prince Doronaucar, Ruf-
fian Lieut. General ; Baron Tr sc s, Ruffian Coun-
fellor of the College ; and Baron Roromorr, Ruffian
AfTelfor; are likewife arrived at Berlin. The Prof.
flan General Von ZASTIOF, has returned from his
million tb St. Peteriburgh, and after flaying a few
hours at Berlin, he let off to meet the King of Pruf-
fis in Franconia." _ _

ROTTERDAM, JULY s.—The Paris letters to the ad
of July contain nothing new whatfoever. The spa
cents. which, on the 3oth of Jane, had rifen to Gs fr.
to c. were again down to 6s francs.

PARLIAMENTARr PROCEEDINGS.

HOUSE OF LORDS, WEDNESDAY, JULY to.

Judgment was given in the Appeal Caufe Redlngton againa Red-
inron. The decree of the Court of Exchequer in Ireland was re-
verted as to part of the matter In difpute, and a reference was
made with retpedt to the other part hack to that Court.
The Royal Attait war given by coninsitlon to fixtroine public
and private Bab.
The Commit:toners were the Lord Chancellor, the bake of
Mantrote, mad Lord Walfingham.
The Co undated Fund Bill, the Plate Gbh Duty 818, and the
Smuggling Bill, were read a third time and patful.
Mr. Whitbread, Mr. Caleraft, Mr. Fuller, Mr. Giddy, and
fowl other Members of the Honied Commons, brought up the
lel for continuing the proceedings relative to the Impeachment of
Lord Melville, notwithltanding any prorogation of Parliament,
which wan read a Left time, and bane private Bills returned
agreed to.
The Duke of NORFOLK prefented the Report of the Camber-
well Water Works Bill, which was read and agreed to.
On the third reading of the Members of Parliament Bankrupt
Privilege Bill, the Duke of NORFOLK fuggefted a doubt whe-
ther one dulcet it might not Mica their Lon:leaps privileges.—
The LORD CHANCELLOR war of a different opinion, end the
Bill was palfr.d.
TROTTER'S INDEMNITY BILL.

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Lord HAWKESBURY moved the third reading
of Trotter's indemnity Bill.
Tile LORD CHANCELLOR propofed kveral
amendments in the claufes of the Bill, and particu-
larly called the attention of their Lordfhips to that
part of the Bill which went to indemnify the perfons
who were the objeds of it from all civil Gait. He did
not think he fhould do his duty if he did not move
to leave out all that related to this fpecies of indem-
nity. He folemnly protelled againtl fuch a chide
remaining part of the Bill, as it went to ellablifh a
moil dangerous precedent, without the eriftenee, in
Otis opinion, of any folid grounds for fuch a depar-
ture from the ordinary forms and pra.flice of law.—
His Lordibip went at fome length into the difcufLon
of the point of law conflated with the fubjed, con.
tending that from the words of the claufe, it went to
ref-apt the perfons who were the objeds of it from
all civil fines whatever, whether infiituted by the
Crown or by private individuals. 4 He exprcfred his

entire difapproliation of !itch an enadment:, and
moved an amendment, for the purpofe of leaving out
all that related to the indemnity againft civil funs.
The Duke of NORFOLK objected to the amend-
ment, conceiving that the clank in its conarnaion
did not go the length Rated by the Noble Lord, and
that the palling of the Bill was neceiTary for the pur-
poles of obtaining the whole truth with refpeQ to
thole circumaances which formed the fubjel of the
Impeachment.
Lord HAWKESBURY contended that the words
of the claufe did alually go the length of exempting
the perfons who were the objects of it from all civil
firsts initittued by any individuals whatever. He
confidered fuch a provifion as monarous and that it
would be highly inexpedient for their Lordlhips to
agree to it. He could not however entirely agree
with his Noble and Learned Fiiend,as he (till thought
that thole perfons, in order to be rendered ufeful
evidence, ought to be indemnified againa any civil
fuit to be inflituted by the Crown.
Lord Vifcount SIDMOUTH difagveed with both
his Noble and Learned Friend on the Woolfack and
bit Noble Friend who had OA fpolten. He believed
that Lawyers of tontiderable eminence had doubted
whether a perfon examined as an evidence, and who
demurred to a queftion, Rating, that by anfwering it
he might become liable to a civil ftrit, whether fuch
perfon could be compelled to anfwer. He therkore
thought that, to obtain the full benefit of the evi-'
dence of the perfons fought by this Bill, it ought to
be palled without any reitridion as to the Indemnity.
The LORD CHANCELLOR was furprifed to
hear any doubt upon the fubjed. It was every day's
pradice in the Court of Chancery, that parlous
were compelled to anfwer as to monies owing by
themfelves. He bad no doubt that a perfon exa-
mined as an evidence, who refufed to anfwer a quef-
tion becaufe the anfwer might render him liable to
a Civil Suit, might be compelled to anfwer. Sup-
poring, therefore, this indemnity to pars as it Rood,
it mutt be upon this principle, that fuppofing a man
to have embezzled sot. or 100,0001. of the Public
Money, that turn was to be allowed to remain in his
pocket, which was nearly the fame thing as giving
him an equal lulu upon condition that he thould
give evidence nail& another, and this too that he
might t do that which he was compellable to do with.
out it. Again(' loth a principle he again folemnly
protefted.
Lord Vifcount SIDMOUTH laid, after the opi-
nion expreiled by the Noble and Learned Lord fo
decidedly as to the law of the cafe, he fhould bow to
that opinion, and withdraw his oppofitiou to the
amendment.

The LORD CHANCELLOR wither' it to be un
derflood that he had only declared his opinion as to
what he conceived to be law; but if there were any
doubt about it, the only proper way of proceeding
was to have the opinion of the twelve Judges upon
the fubjeCt.
The Earl of BUCKINGHAMSHIRE declared
his intention to fupport the amendment, in confe-
qua= of the opinion upon the point of law expref-
fed by the Noble and Learned Lord.
Lord MINTO thought that a civil fuit, inßituted
by the Crown, againft one of the parties who were
the objects of this indemnity, might be in its opera-
tion a penal proceeding ; as if it went to procure a
refitution of profits made from the ufe of public
money, it might in its effiels be much hatfher than
any criminal procefs. He therefore agreed with the
Noble Lord (Hawkelbury) that the parties ought
to be indemnified againft any civil fuit inftituted by
the Crown, though not againn the silks of individuals.
The LORD CHANCELLOR, upon reviewing
all the circumftancesot the cafe, wasof opinion, that
they mull either reject the indemnity againft a civil
fuit altogether, or let it Rand as it was.
Lord MULGRAVE, on the contrary, thought
there was a clear diflinffion between civil fuits in-
(Muted by the Crown, and by individuals, as the
public might content to give any Linn of money That
could be expetted from a civil fuit again& an indi-
vidual, for the pvrpofe of obtaining fame ulterior
objeft, by means of the evidence of that individual,
but they could not upon the ftme principle bar the
fuits inftituted againft that individual by other perform
The Earl of CARYSFORT thought more time
ought to be given for the confideration of the Bill,
which involved a fubjeft of fo much importance as
that they were now difcuffing,
The LORD CHANCELLOR faid, he was fo im-
pelled with the neceflity there was for this fubjed
undergoing the moft mature and deliberate confide-
ration, that he fhould move that the debate fhould
be adjourned, with a view of afterwards moving that
the Judges thould he ordered to attend, for the pur-
pre of giving their opinion, whether a perfon giving
nvidence, and objating to anfwer a queftiou, on the
ground that he fhould thereby be rendered liable to
a civil fait, was compellable to anfwer !itch quef-
tion. It the Bill fbould thereby be put off till next
&Mon. he thought it of more importance that the
point to which he had alluded fhould be maturely
difeufted, than that the Bill fhould now be paled
for the fake of gaining a little time. There was,
however, another alternative, which was to pats the
Bill fo far as related to an indemnity againft criminal
proceedings, and to refer the other point to the opi-
nion of the Judges.
A-converfation enfued upon this new proyofal be-
tween Lord Vifoount Sidmouth, the Earl of Bucking,
hamfbire, the Earl of Carysfort, Lord Hawkebury,
Lord Mulgrave, and the Duke of Norfolk, when it
was at length agreed, that every thing relating to an
indemnity againa civil foils thould be left out of the
Bill, and that another Bill fhould be introduced rela-
die to that point, for the purpofe of having the opi-
nion of the Judges upon it.—The Bill thus amended,
was read a third time and palled.
OWES OF ATHOL'S maim.
On the queftion for the third reading of the Bill
for granting additional compenfation to the Athol
Family,
The Marquis of BUCKINGHAM rote to oppofe
the third reading. He was decidedly againft the
whole principle of the Bill, and could not admit the
truth of the allegations in the preamble. It had been
Rated, that the fovereignty of the illand before the
Inveßing Aft, belonged to the Duke; this allegation
he utterly denied ; there was not a tingle paper on,
record to be found in which the family had taken
the title, or claimed the riert of fovereignty. The,
Dukes f Athol had been hitherto called u Lords of
Mao," and the pretest Duchets Dowager was called

in a variety of inirttments, a the Lady of Man." If
any compenfation eras doe, it was to her and her heirs
general. The iaterpal revenues of the Ifland were ex-
tremely (mall at the time of the paffing of this
Ae, and he was perfealy of the opinion which was
given by the Crown Lawyers, to whom it had been
referred, that there was no reafon to fay the compen-4
ration 'was inadequate. As to the cuftoms of the
Ifland, they had not been intended for or applied to
the private emolument of the Athol Family, but to
she neceiTary public fervice of the lased, which had
been very much neseeed. Thetis!, bad cosnewlien
it was neceffary for the Empire to refume that
Ifland, the Lordfhip of which had been fo given
away by Henry the Fourth. It appeared to him
that their power of refuming it was equal to the
power that Parliament has of compelling any indi-
vidual in this kingdom to difpore of his property for
the public fervice, upon receiving adequate compen-
ration. He conlidered the compenfation as adequate,
that the perfon who alone bad any right to complain
if it (the Duchefs Dowager), had not made any
complaint, and that it would be of the moll dan-
gerous confequences to fet a precedent fee opening
tranfaaions which had been fo long clofed.
The Earl of WESTMORLAND replied to the
argumentt that had been urged againtl the Bill ; he
eonfidered that the transfer was altogether compd.,
tory on the part of the Athol Family, as appeared
by the evidence of sir Fletcher Norton, His Majef-
ty's Attorney General, who fiated in the Houfe of
Commons as a wieners, that he had heard the, late
Duke exprers great forrow upon the occafion, and
fay that he would not take double what was offered
him, as a compenfation, if he was not afraid of the
confequences of the Bill, which was then about to be
brought forward, refpeaing the cuftorris of the
Ifland. This appeared to him fufficient proof that
the Cale was a compulfory one againa the late Duke
of Athol, and that if the terms were not fail at that
time, the prefent Duke had a right to compenfation.
The cuftoms of the Ifle of Man were not refs than
7cool. per annum When the Ae was paired ; and as
the Aft iefelf referred to a fchedule of thofe cuftoms,
he could not but think they formed the principal
coalideration for which the turn of 70,c001. was
given. If fo, it was evident that fuck a Cum was
grofsly inadequate. There was another circnmftance
which, in his opinion, vitiated the whole tranfaslion,
and he walled that the Learned Lords would ex-
prefs their opinions of it in point of Law. When a
tenant for life (and the Duchefs Dowager was no,
more) in the (ale of a property entailed, accepts of
a private desicesir for himfelf he always conceived
that that circumstance would overturn the bargain,
either in a Court of Law or Equity.- In this in-
, fiance, the late Duke and Duchefs Dowager accepted
of a aloucerr of snout. per ann. penfion to themfelves.
This circumftance alone would, he believed, accord-
ing to the conametion of law, impeach the fairnefs
of the tranfaeion.

The LORD CHANCELLOR was inclined to
confider, that by the rules of equity in common
cafes, the penfion of scoot. per ann. ought to be ap-
plied to this property fo entailed, and ought not to
have been taken for the feparate nfe of thole who
were but tenants for life. He was one of thole to
whom the claim had been originally referred ;—and
he had coincided in the general opinion of the Crown
Lawyers, that there was no reafon for confidering
the compenfation inadequate. As to the Sovereign-
ty that is now infifted upon, he thought there had
been no pretence for claiming it, and as to the cof
torn duties of the ifland, it was clear they were grant-'
ed- for the purpofe of paying the public eepenees of
the ifland. Upon the whole he confidered, that it
would be a molt alarming precedent now to open
again a tranfaftion that had been doled fo lemg Mao
years ago.
The Earl of Suffolk oppofed the bill, as did alto
the Marquis of Buckingham : and it was fopported
by the Earl of Weftmoriand ; after which the Duke
of Norfolk moved, that the bill be recommitted, on
which the Houfe divided—Contents 7—Not Con-
tents 25—Majority 18.
The Marquis of BUCKINGHAM moved an
amendment, that the compenfation to be granted to
theiDuke of Athol (hould not exceed 20001. a year,
which was negatived without a divifion.
The Noble Marquis then moved a verbal amend
ment to one of the claufes, on which the Houle di
vided.—Contents s—Not Contents 25—Majority 20.
On the queftion for the palling of the bill, the
Houle divided.—Contents 25—Not Contents 4—Ma-
jority for the bill 21.