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London, England, 1830-05-05 00:00:00

IVE:DNESDAY EVENING, NIAY 5, MO.

FROM THE LONDON GAZETTE, May 4.

WAR OFFICE., MAT 3.

bisteoustmna.—The baU-pay of tie alder-mentioned (Akers
bas been cancelbd from the 4th inst. inclusive, "pen their receiving
a commuted allowance for their commissions :—Surgeon William
MUtos, half-pay 99th Regiment of Foot; Lieutenant Edmund
fitacpeole, haU•pay 49th Foot ; Lieutenant Henry de Gifting,
balf-pay Watteville's Regiment ; Lieutenant James George
Powell, half-pay 20th Foot ; Lieutenant John Theensoo, half.pay
79th Feet.

. Gaonlesions eiginalby die Lord-Lientenent of the West Riding
of this County of York, City and County of the City of York.
Ist West York Militia—John Henry Lowther, Eaq. to be Lieut.-

Colonel, vice Smith, deceased.
Yorkshire Hussars—Lieuteesat the Honourable Frederick WU-

liam Robinson to be Captain, vice Lee, resigned.
Soutbern (West Riding) Regiment of Yeomanry Cavalry—The
Honourable James Stuart Wordy, to be Captain, vice Riming-
too, resigned; Cornet Christopher Alderson, Esq. to be ditto,
vice Skin, resigned ; George Wright, Gent. to be Lieutenant.
vice Foster, resigned.
DECLARATIONS OF INSOLVENCY.
ClllllllllllO4 EDWASS, Ashford, Kent, iroanumger.
Foots. 1413111 T. Eastbourne, Susses. trader.

BANKRUPTS.
Doris, Hums, Red Cr oes, Barbican, victualler, to surrender May
11, is, and June 15, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners.
Attotneys, Messrs. Parton and Ms, Saint Mildred's-court,
Poultry.
Dam, NATHAN, St. Mary-Axe, wine-nterehaut, May 11, 18. and
Jane 15, at eleven, at the Court of Commissioners. Attorneys,
Messrs. Yates and Sydney, Bury-street, St. Mary-Axe.
Sorrow, THaornntie Jonas, Scarborough, Yorkshire, master-ma-
riner, May 7,14, at twelve, and June 15, at eleven, at the Court
of Commissioners. Attorneys, Messrs. Nind and Cotterill,

MASTIIMALII, RICUARD, Brabant-court. Philpot4ane, broker, May
14, at 21, and June 15, at two, at the Court of Counis.
limier,. Attorneys, Messrs. Swain, Stevens, Maples, Pease,
and Hunt, Frederick-place, Old Jewry.
Canoes, Roust, Cornhill, tailor, May 11 at twelve, 111, and June
i 5, at eleven, at the Court of Conindaslooen. Attorneys,
Messrs. Pasmore and Co. Sambrook-court, Basinghall-street.
HASTWLIGIIT, Jams, Cheltenham. Gloucestenhire, woollen-dn.
per, May 111, at four, 19, and June 15, at 'levee, at Shipton's
Hotel, Cheltenant. Attorneys, Mr. W. H. King, Lincoln's Inn-
Gelds; and Mr. Packwood, Cheltenham.
Rou.ason, Haar, Birmingham, gUt-toy-maker, May 20, 21, and
Jane 15, at eleven, at the Union Hotel, Birmingham. Ama-
mi'' Messrs. Holme, Frampton, and Loftus, New Inn ; and
Mr. J. Bartlett, Birmingham.
HIARISMI,Jors, Bury, Lancaskire,hardwarentan, May 24, 25, and
June 15, at nine, at the Star Inn, Manchester. Attorneys, Mr.
S. Woodcock, Bury ; and Messrs. Appleby and Charnock,
Gray's Inn.
Jones, Joint, Liverpool, merchant, May 18,19, and June 15, at
one, at the Clarendon Rooms Liverpool. Attorneys, Mr. IL
Finlow, Clarendon-buildinp, hoods Joho.street, Liverpool; sad
Mr. E. Chester, Staple lan.
Guns, Jaws, Leeds, Yorkshire, stugmenhant, May 29,20. and
June 15, at the Sessions Hasse Leeds. Attorneys, Messrs.
Bettye, Fisher, and Sudlow, Chancery-lane; and Mr. T. M.
Lee, Leeds.

Piticy 7D.

IMPERIAL PARLIAM ENT.

HOUSE OF LWIDS—Tv Ls DA v.
The Earl of ELDON presented petitions from the Mayor and
Corporations of Haverfordwest, Cardigan, and Pembroke, against
the /imposed alteration in Walsh judicature.
Lied SICELMERSDALE presented a petition from the licensed
victuallers of Rochdalaainst throwing open the beer trade.
The Bishop of LONDON, after briefly stating the facts to which
the petitioners referred, praying that the house would pace a bill to
annul the marriage of Elisabeth Hickson and Themes Buxton,
the petition, and said, on filonday next, he should mote
of the whole home, to bike the subject into eons'-
. a view fitfotrodnaitl/1&"--'•-•
After a few observations from the Bishop of LICHFIELD and
COVENTRY, the purport of which was not heard below the bar,
The Earl of ELDON, having adverted to what transpired in •
Court of Law, and before the pe t Lord Chancellor, respecting
the parties, both of which daWam, he said, could not be other.
wise, consistently with law and equity, next proceeded to notice the
state of the Marriage Act, in which be described an anomaly as ex-
isting, and said, by that Act, parties intending to be married by
bans ought, in conformity to law, to give seven days' notice to the
clergyman. But how seldom did it happen that this was complied
with ? Instead of notice being thus given, how frequently it hap-
Pelted that the clergyman knew nothing of the parties until the se-
cond lesson of the service, when a piece of paper was given him by
the clerk, to publish bans between them. Ought these things to
continue F The noble and learned Lord thought not. He perfectly
concurred in what the Right Rev. Prelate had said, that the subject
was worthy the serious consideration of the house.
The petition was then read, and laid on the table.
Sir A. GIANT, Mr. DirlicomsE, Mr. HAT, and other members
of the House of Commons, brought up various private bills.
Mr. Crater, from the Treasury, presented at the bar an account of
duties on spirits.
The Duke of PORTLAND (we believe) presented petitions from
the royal burgh of Ayr, and another, against the renewal of the East
India Company's Charter.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE presented a petition from a place in
Yorkshiree, in favour of the removal of the Assizes to Wakefield.

Viscount 111ELVILLE presented a petition from Edinburgh,
against the additional duty on British spirits.
The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from an indi-
vidual of Chelsea,praying an alteration in the laws relating to tithes.
The Earl of RADNOR presented a petition from Hythe, Kent,
complaining of distress, and praying relief; also a similar petition
from the stonemasons of London and Westminster. The Noble
Earl likewise presented a petition from Bolton, Lancashire, praying
the abolition of the punishment of death for forgery. The Noble
Earl was about presenting a petition against the bill for the relief
of the Jews, from 111 r. Cobbett (as was understood) but withdrew it,
the bill not being yet before the house.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition from Port-
ant, against the punishment of dat6 for forgery ; also petitions
from a parish in Dublin, and the town of Drogheda, praying the
removal of the duty on coals imported into Ireland. The noble
marquis likewise presented a petition from the Barony of Upper Ch-
eery, Queen's County, against the proposed duty on British spirits ;
and another Ftition from a body of trades in Glasgow, foe throwing
open the trade to India and Mina.
Earl STANHOPE Fomented a number of petitions against
the malt duty; awns she pieces were Madame, Wateringbury,
East Peckham, Cbseisen, near Dover ; and a parish in Warwick-
shire. The noes earl said that the distress was universally coin.
plained of in theigraw.The malt duty, be added, wee very op.
P 111 the vane of die amide MINK Is
oit:e of thlaillaPelPtisus it was stated, that the annual consumption of
malt was now less by two-fifths than it was taking the average of 10
years Previous to 1723—upwards of a century back. For his own
part, he was inclined to believe that but little would accrue, if the
malt duty were taken off, should the monopoly in the beer trade be
suffered to continue.

The private bills on the table were respecdvely advanced one stage.
The Fen Hospital (Ireland) Bill was read a third time, after
a few observations from Lord CARBERRY and the Duke of
WELLINGTON.

CHURCH ZITRILISHXRYIT.
Lord MOUNTCASHEL begged leave to present a petition from
the protestant inhabitants of the towns of Wexford and New Rom,
complaining of abuses existing in the established church, and solicit.
Mg their lordships' consideration of so important a subject. The
petitioners played of their lordships to restore much of the pro.
petty which had irregularly accumulated in the hands of the
Irish church to the purposes for which it had been originally
intended ; to render the ministry of that church efficient, and
to correct the deficits of the Ecclesiastical law. His lord-
ship confessed that be coincided generally with the views of
the petitioners, who were all persons of the highest respectability,
of whom some were churchwarden, and one was the Sovereign of
Ross ; his lordship also begged leave to present another petition to
their lordships, which was one of the most important that had ever
been submitted to their attention. It was from the Protestant inha-
bitants of the county and city of Cork, complaining of the abuses
of the English and Irish Much, and pea for their cor-
rection. (Hear, hear, bear.) The petition &tinged to the Eccle-
siastical law, the connection of secular affairs with the Church,
the distribution of the revenues of the Church more equally
amongst its ministers, and the necessity of more effectively educating
the poor. The petition was signed by a ter number of respect.
able persons than had ever been appended to any similar document,
amongst whom were sixty magistrates. His lordship said that, in
pursuance of the wishes of that body of persons whose petition be
had just presented, he felt it his duty bring forward a motion on the
subject, which had called forth this expression of their sentiments.
He acknowledged that never in his life—never, be could sincerely
say, had he experienced so much embarrassment in the performance
of a duty. This embarrassment arose from his want of ability—from
a consciousness of his inadequacy to do justice to an undertaking
of so much Importance. It was increased by the circumstance
of that task having devolved upon one who was so young a mem-
ber of their lordship's house. He wished, from his heart, that
some other noble lard, of greater experience and ability, bad taken
the subject up; but when be looked round him, and found no indi.
vidual willing to do so, be yielded to his strong mese of duty, and
came forward. In stating the facts upon which be grounded hie
motion, he hoped their lordships would excuse him if he should
not place them in that strong point of view of which they were
capable—he hoped that, with their better knowledge, they would
aid him, and hear him out. (Hear.) Before he proceeded, he
could not avoid remarking, that perhaps his greatest uneasiness
on the present occasion arose from an apprehension that he should
be considered as in the slightest degree opposed to the doctrines of
the Established Church. No man was more attached to the Epis-
copal Reformed Church than he (Lord Mountcashel), but at the same 1
time that he entertained and declared his firm attachment, he also
felt assured that in neglecting to point out and remove those circum-
stances, which threw an adventitious blemish on It, he should be
performing the part of an insidious enemy rather than of an
attached adherent. If he came before their lordships armed with
facts reflecting upon any portion of that Church's discipline or
practice, his only reason for doing so was, that he might render
it better and more respectable. He hoped, therefore, that no-
thing which should escape from his lips should be misconstrued.
I He had been accustomed for many years to study his religion—he
had been satisfied with having been born a member of any faith—
he had not taken his creed by rote—be had taken pains to inquire
and examine, and the more he had done so, the more reason he felt
to be attached to the established Protestant lipiecopal Church.
Having said so much on that point, he 'tmid then remark that
he looked upon religion in a twofold point of view, as doctrinal
end PrectialL Its great use was to enlighten the heart of man,
to direct his actions to righteousness. If it bad not this effect,
it became but an empty sound, a Heathen might take the name
of Christian. `‘ I solemnly say (observed the noble lord) I
do consider that there is a great deal of paganism in this
country." He believed that an established church was a great na-
tional blessing, it rendered religion connected with the state, and
the Influence of power was compelled to support, advance, and che-
rish it. It was unfortunate that the state had dedicated more of its
time to temporal than to spiritual concerns. He (Lord tiountcashel)
conceived religion was infinitely the mere important of the two
subjects—its object woe eternity—that of the other, time. He re-
peated he wished to ma the church to which be was attached all
privity, and this consummation essild only be ranted by a reform of
those abuses which he (Lord Mountesabsi) was rat tits had crept
Into it from time to time.. His Leedship mitt betthibild Ann pro.
coed to submit to their Lordships such facie so oltottkl jpstify

in their eyes for bringing forward this mediae. fie should
allude, in the first instance, to the rate et the ReeLslamtleal law.
Perhaps he might be told that an investigation bad &heady taken
k place on that subject • but he (Lord Mountembel) had examined
papas connected with that inquiry, which bad been laid before
another house, and be saw that the wen of inquiet' confer-
, red merely related to the practice of kat Courts. lie
' should consider it his duty to make the Redesiastical laws
at large the subject of investigation. Another objection wit:ch
he hsd to the inquiry to which he alluded was that it only re.
!owed to the Church in England, while It should be the ()Lica of
his modes to embrace the hi= Church also. In Illustration oe
the abuses of the Ecclesiastical law, he begged w
call general
of their Isedehips to a book on the subject,
which he had lately, as well as on' a forma occasion, examined it.
their borthhipa' library. It was " ilibeee's Codex," which h? be.
Hewed to be the best compendium extant of Ectiesisedoal Law.—
From this book be had extracted one or two points, odd= be ahat.ld
submit to their lordships, and then ask them if such laws should ex-
ist in a Protestant country, or be tolerated by a
LaProtestant ph..
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These Ecclesiastical Laws were divided into three dames. Hear.)
The list was not observed at all; the second was se rid s ss
to be rendered ineffective; and the third was totally to the
Protestant religion. (Hear, hear.) He had marked=ed passages
In " Gibson's Codex" to which he wished to draw their Lord.
ships' attention. In page 157, "it was ordained that the clergy
should not exercise any secular jurisdiction." He left it to their
lordships to judge whether this provision had been observed—whe-
ther the clergy did not exercise the office of magistrates. Again, the
clergy were directed not to engage in any base or servile labour.—
Now he (Lord Mountzeshel) mould not pretend to say what !about
was base or servile, though he believed that the law was directed
against all secular employment ; and that it was infringed he itsd
no doubt, as lie latew many clergymen who were law agents
Undoubtedly, an Act of Parliament had been directed against
this abuse, but be knew it had bent successfully evaded. in
pager ittl occurred a fleet= of rather a laughable nature,
and their lordships would judge whether it had been neglected.
(Hear, hear.)—ln that article it was ordered that no cler-
gyman should wear a coif or nightcap except one of silk or
velvet. (Laughter.) He classed this amongst the ridiculous law.,
and he submitted the propriety of its abolition. Amongst these
laws were found decrees of Popes and Popes' Legates which had
been ingrafted on the ecclesiastical law, and had been received as
such. By a constitution of Otho, it is commanded that Arehhititops
and Biehops should reside on their several sees, and that they should
celebrate mass upon holydays. If this was wrong, he (Lord M.)
submitted that it ought to be expunged from the laws of our Pro-
testant Established Church. In page 191, canon 88, it was com-
manded that no plays, banquets, or entertainntents, should be &Bowel
in any church, chapel, or churchyard. Now he (Lord M.) could
not say that plays had been enacted in our churches, but then he bad
heard datum oratorios--(laughter), where people paid for enter-
log the churches--musicians were engaged, and the whole affair WAN
conducted like an opera. These things were certainly opposei
to the laws. Now if those laws were really good they should L...
obeyed ; if not they should not be allowed to hang over the heads
and imaginations of people in this doubtful and embarrassing way.
There were more of those anomalies to be found in this &c! ..
shuttled Code' which their lordsh'ps might cent:sine if they
pleased. But he (lord Alountcashel) would repeat that, if we canons, they ought to be observed ; if anything wrong or
ambiguous were found in them, it ought to be explained or ex •
punged. Such a proceeding would be a blessing to the church, to
the clergy, and to the laity, who would then know how to regu-
late their actions. He would then call their lordships' attention
to another part of this question of church reform, he meant
the state of parishes. This was a subject highly deserving of
their lordships' attention. If religion deserved their considera-
tion y, it deserved it also in detail. Parishes then should
be placed the superintendence of certain and adequate clerical
guides, who should so conduct their flocks as that they might be ren-
&ied good people, dutiful subjects• and an honour to religion in their
life and doctrines. He feared, however, that from various causes this
desirable state of things had not been attained, and that people had
in too many instances been left destitute of proper spiritual guidance;
and yet, if their lordships valued Ireland and its amelioration, they
would be most anxious for its religious instruction. The absence of
this in Ireland, and even in England, was owing, among other
causes, to a deficiency of churches. His lordship again disclaimed
any intention of reflecting upon the conduct of individuals. He
knew many persons connected with the church who felt the abuses
which be wished to impress upon that house, who wished to correct
them, but found themselves inadequate to such an undertaking. In
being at all liable to the suspicion of reflecting censure, even indi.
reedy, on such individuals, he felt himself placed in a moist illsinful •
situation. But he knew that those on whom the government one:
church devolved became endued with their high honours at an
admixed age, when their 'mates must have suffered some
diminution, and wINK. bat lltt experienced in the intricate
affairs of public life, must have found it impossible to diem-
barnuts themselves of the trammels of inveterate habits and laws,
and to give effect to ameliorations which their beans might
dictate. He (ford Mountcashel) knew one right reverend pre.
late who had laboured at a project of improvement, had expended
money out of his own pocket to effectuate it, but was obliged, at
len' gth to relinquish his desires as impracticable. He therefore
hoped that be should not be understood then as reflecting upon the
general body of the clergy of the Established Church, whom, on
the contrary, he admired and esteemed. At the same time be could
not deny:that, in a great body of men, a few individuals wets found
unfaithful to their duty. if be should allude harshly to those, he
hoped he should not be interpreted as desiring to derogate from the
merits of the majority of their brethren. Ho had higher motives—
he had a sacred duty to perform—he bad a conscience to in-
stigate hint—be felt he had a Gob to whom he was answerable ;
-stW when his soul should, on the judgment-day, appear before that
dot, it should be with the satisfactory certainty of having acted
on tdo momentous subject with the purest rectitude. Again
then he hoped be should not be supposed to act from invidious W-
ings, but that he would be allowed tne credit of aiming sincerely at
the benefit of a Christian ril:ze, and the honour of his Glop. He
bed said that there was a of churches; their lordships had
sanctioned the truth of that by vote—for the coerced= of
so great an evil votes which had been of the greatest service, and for
which he felt most grateful. On this part of his subject he should
call their attention to returns which bad been made in a report to the
other house of the number of churches in Ireland in the year 1820. At
that time then were only 1,156, and, though it was difficult to say
bow much those could exactly hold, he estimated the average to be 160
persons to each church. The sum generally expended on such build.
lags was 5001. this had latterly received some increase. With his own
eyes he had seen that the churches in Ireland were too small. Too
much of the money appropriated to them had been laid out on
architectural decorations, and cut stone. When he knew that so
much room was required by the humble Protestant congregations,
be could not but blame this lavish expenditure of funds already too
confined fur their most important object. He did not blame any
but such was certainly the fact. Again, the churches were
so%
divided into pews, these were let to families who occupied %inners-
=pace, and, when absent, left vacancies from which the poorer
were excluded. The noble Lord here stated a calculation
founded on the number of Protestants of the establishment in
Ireland, the number of churches in 1820, and the average amount
of persons capable of tilling each, which left one million of persons
unprovideil with a place of worship. (Hear, hear, hear.) On
this calculation he (Lord idountauthel) mentioned that he had
established his proposition respecting the necessity of additional
churches in Ireland. In England the case was similar. The num-
ber of inhabitants in London was estimated at 1,400,000 ; and in a
work of some authority which had lately come out, it had been cal-
culated that of these one million neglected the worship of OOD. At
the same time the number of Dissenting places of worship were found
to exceed those of the Established Church considerably. If be should
to particulars on this head, he found, from the returns of
CrIll:20l that, in a district containing 4,940,000 inhabitants, there were
2,633 churches, and 3,400 dissenting houses. In the town of De-
vooport, containing 40,000 inhabitants, there were one church
and three chapels of the Establishment, while there were twenty.
three Dissenting houses. He considered that dier such facts (and
many more of the same clarinet) might be produced, its taut said
sufficient to prove that the subject deserved the highest attention of
the house. He should now proceed to show the deficiency itt the
number of the clergy of the established church. He found by the
returns of 1820 that, out of 1,283 benefices in Ireland, only 880
bad had their incumbents resident, leaving a deficiency of mope than
one-third. He (Lord M.) could not but find huh with such a
system. He thought that where clergymen undertook the duties of
their sacred office they should perform them ; they should comply with
the engagements which they contracted and pledged themselves to at
their ordination. At the same time he was far from maintaining
that the principle of residence should not be relaxed in case of
age and sickness ; but it too often happened that clergymen ae-
rated themselves from their /Rations without the leave deli= Bishops.
Much of the abuses'on this hood arose, be wig willi to =know-
ris
ledge, from Acts of Parliament eves as early as the offfenre
the Eighth, and which had been perpetuated, instead of awing bee.
counted, in the 57th Oeo. 111, passed in 1817, in which all pace.
ding acts respecting the exemptlods of the clergy had bees eonger -
dated. Thesrexemptions were the 'ghat pains of the awls of bon.
residence, and deserved the corned= oft: r
eltehlps. In Eftland
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in she year 1810, 'Wiest fed basket, 4,811 bail
been deserted* their tounallents.These ill lediarkable dream-
stance, In addition to them, to 'Web be wished to tall their lordships'
attention. Sten 1814 there hali' Ban a-demons of incumbents to
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tbe amount of 11,600; Mid "old be ONSlalwed for in no other
no) than by supposing, or 2 iglieviod dot there bed been aptisiettrie of pluralities. The bribe Preitietast whole, Coo, tught
to be inquired into. -For witietif =homey Protestant children had
roe to Catholic scht.ols. Hi hathNown latencies of tied nine,
stud Wu livings being heblk the` sene bedielailt:- he should not
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r. a 11.1: case.} btCaUiL hot wish to detain their lordships;
cul i.tct was notorious to :my one who had at all turned his at.
eentia.: to ihe subject. The noble lord here quoted from Bishop
Barnet. in order to show the bad effects of such a system, and the ne.
et.gs.tr of introducing some radical change which should induce every
to re.:itie in his parish. The present system was in direct
contrail:- ton to a I.tw paned in the reign of Henry VIII. The sub.
jet:- of pluralities. howtver, was one of great importance, and, be-
'me lie came to that, ho wished to call their lordships' attention to
fp:oder •ithjeer, :Aso of great importance;—he meant the church
f•roterry. %lid here lie would stare that he had no intention or
s ro join will those who would pull the church to pieces. The
-ct was, th ir the state of the church with regard to property was
much like that of the present mode of farming—the great pro.
? ~.o:s hod u•mrpcd the whole. Without the smallest intention
of inuring church property, he would say that parliament
. t a tight to inquire into all property of this kind; and
tie 14:ien an individual case in which Government had already
nit; sped ; he meant the parish of Marylebone, which bad been
divided ilto four divisions. With regard to the reports which had
berm returned to Parliament, he must say that they were defective
in the cgtreme, and particularly so with regard to Ireland. In one
p (ri.!: the amount of income was said to be £4O, while the fact was
that it was five or six times the amount. He found also that the
return of :he Church lands was equally incorrect, and that the re-
turn made in 1820 made out the amount of land belonging to the
Church to be 13,000 acres less than the true accounts. lie men.
toned this merely for the purpose of obtaining something like ac-
curacy in returns, and not with any intention of injuring Church
properly. In one diocese alone he found that nine parishes had
been entirely left out 0` the return. He wished also to say a few
words on the subject of tithes, lie highly approved of the COl-
- Act, and should be glad to see the same law extended to
En ;land, because he was so convinced of the bad effects which Rowed
from the disputes in England between the clergy and people on the
subject of tithes. This circumstance alone tended to alienate the
people from the clergy, and also to give the clergy a character which
they ought not to have attributed to diem. He could not illustrate
this better than by alluding to a story which he had heard from
a naval officer, who had pass.ll with the rector or vicar
through some part of the parish. After a short ride, they
conic to a small common, and on seeing a flock of geese, the cler-
gyman began to count the geese; and on seeing a herd of ipigs, he
made a dead stop fur the same purpose. This, he was happy to
say, was not general ; but there were individuals who conclude&
themselves in this manner, and he should be glad to see the abuse
put an end to. In confirmation of his statement relative to the bad
effects of tithes, he would only refer to a conspiracy of an atrocious
description, which had come before the Assize Court during the
last circuit, and which had been excited entirely by the grievances
which this system entailed upon the community. The mode in
which the Clergy was educated was also most defective. He
:bought their attention was more turned to classical educa-
tion than was necessary, and should be glad to see it mitre
directed to religious studies. But of all points, that of selling liv-
ings was the most objectionable. Advertisements to this effect were
seen every day in the papers describing the amount of the income,
the beauty of the country, the age of the incumbent, &c. This he
regarded as most unseemly. But this was not all ; the system opened
the door of the church to every one the most unfit ; and the man who
had the most money was sure to get the living. If such a practice
were followed by a Bishop, it would be called simony, and he
would be made answerable for the consequences. (Hear, hear.)
—lle put this merely as one of the abuses of the present sys-
tem of church government and he was sorry to say that it was not
confined to one country, but prevailed in both England and Ire-
land. He did not say that all Clergymen were inducted in this
way ; GOD forbid he should say so. Ile knew there were many
;Amid and honest men in the church : but, at the same time, he was
called upon to say that there were others who neglected their duty,
and thereby brought disgrace on the church. His only object in
mentioning this was to point out what was wrong, and what was
injurious to the church. He would not allude to the curates in the
Irish church, because a commission had been appointed to inquire
into the state of that church ; but he could not pass over the
subject without saying a few words on the condition of curates
in England. According to returns made in 1810, there were
3,694 curates. Of these there were 455 who had incomes above
501. a-year ; and 3,239 curates who had not salaries to that
amount. Since that period there had been an improvement,
but that was not sufficient, as the minimum was fixed at 761.
a year, or about 4s. 1(1. a day. It ought to be recollected, at the
same time, that most of the livings in which these curates officiated
were sinecures, and that these curates were men of college education.
lie, therefore, thought that it would be advantageous to alter this
system, and give the principal part of the income to those who per-
formed the duty. The noble lord here referred to an advertisement
which had appeared in the Kentish Garotte, stating that, a clergy-
man of the established church, of 50 years' standing, had by bad
health, and other calamities, been redueedto the greatest distress, and
appealed to the public for relief. This, however, was not a solitary
case, and he could cite many others of a similar nature, which could
not have occurred,had there been an equal division of church property.
Theconduct of many of the resident clergy also deserved censure.—
Many of the residents did no duty, and others worse than no duty.
Many of them he found devoting themselves to secular employments,
such as farming, though It was forbidden by the 57th Geo. 111. for
any clergyman to farm more than 80 acres of land, unless his in.
come was in proportion to it. The consequence of this was that cler-
gymen became bankrupts, and thereby brought disgrace on the pro-
(ration to which they belonged. The noble lord here cited a case of
this kind which had occurred in February last, and quoted the Ga-
st& in which the name of the bankrupt Clergyman was given, and
the 'day fixed on which be was to surrender. He himself knew an
Aranleacon, but whom he should not name, that kept fox-bounds
and twenty hunters, and hunted regularly with them. He knew
another whose means did not enable hint to keep up so large a
sporting establishment, but who had his hounds and horses too.
What was worse, upon the Sundays the sporting parson and his
sporting friends assembled round the communion-table in the church,
and there made their sporting arrangements. This was a state of
things, ha need not say, which ought to be checked. The only
effectual way of checking it was by an appeal to the House. It
was with the view of inducing their lordships to look at the sub-
ject in the same way that he now brought forward this motion ;
and he had hopes that, if he did not succeed in snaking out such a
case as would require their lordships to interfere, he hoped, at
least, to be able to shame the parties into better conduct. He
hoped, however, that it would be inquired into, and put an end to.
lie assured their lordships he had no motive in coming forward but
the good of the church. If they knew of the cases which had come to
his knowledge in the last six months, they would join with him in
wishing. for the good of the church, that the evils which beset it
were put an end to. He should not, however, unnecessarily dis-
tress them by details, for the subject was one of an unpleasant
and painful nature to him. Now be might be told that'll was
unnecessary to bring this matter to this house, as there were
other and more immediate tribunals to which appeals might be
made. This he denied :}if there were competent tribunals they had
at least proved themselves very insufficient to their purpose, for the
evils went on increasing, and while this was the case he must
bring it here. Things were never stationary ; if they were not
getting better they were sure to be getting worse. Looking at-
tentively, then, at the subject, he had no hesitation in saying
that he thought it safer to make some attempt at amendment than
to let things remain as they were. He was ready himself to take
all the consequences of the experiment, and Noble Lords might rest
assured that the danger was not so great as they imagined. It was
said to be more dangerous to tamper with the interests of the church
now than at any other time. He hoped that GOD ALMIGHTY
would spare him yet to see these abuses reformed. Their Lewd.
ships would be encouraged to the work by the sanction of their
own consciences, and if the work was well done they would
have the Hots Snit? with them, and Goa ALMIGHTY'S
word. He deprecated altogether the plea of procrastination;
.it was au insolvent debtor putting off his creditor to a distant
day : but when would that day come ? It might be said,
"Oh I another dine ;r' his answer was " Another time may be
worse than the present, abuses will continue to cesep in like thieves in
the night." Did they wait fora time when the enemy of the church
was more weak, they must wait a long time, foe the enemies of the
church were becoming more powerful every day. If the inquiry
was deferred, therefore, it would come on at a worse time. He
could have wished that this subject had been brought under the
consideration of the house years ago, but it was not his fault that
it had not ; one great reason with him for bringing this forward
was, that it had been said by the right honourable Secretary for
the Home Department in another place, that the church must
stand upon its own purity, and the same had been repeated by
a noble duke in this house. But, if it was to stand upon its
own purity, care ought to be taken to preserve It in gilts vi.
goer. lie hoped t en, that their lordships. would not be led
astray by an ignis fawns, or *lnk that the church was reposing
la security, Increasing her strength. The contrary was the feet.
The. church had by no moms increased in the Was peeper.
this as the dissenters. By a return which he held is his hied, k
would appear that since lad to 1829, there had been an increase of
agdlsacatiag chapels in Bealand and Widar, of so many additional
compeketiem This showed an increase of five new co
*my year. He saw lately tome btmrs from Leicester, with* salmi
that since the puling inhabit there had been 100 passes am
wood ham the Chin* Air Ihrgland tr that Rome. The
moms of this tliketim emu the National MAR* was that the
people weal beetructed 'and • the faith of Pro-
testant, be it ronssidould, .deposilod upon Ids inatructiom If
there was any doubt upon tile owed at Lade amongst the
people, they Would only have -so look at conduct. The
atoms of amindtmonts and convictions wodd be a good guide
upon them occadons. In 1118, the nontber d passes nom.
ratted for. Anima was 11,163 ; but, in 110, it bad increased to
KM. lb* dowictlomp m 1883, wore hilbt ; whereas In

they increased to 111,261 ; so that the number of convictions in 1829
were greater than the commitments in 1823. The fact was that the
people were becoming more and more depraved every day. Now he
I knew but of two ways of checking crime; one was to instruct the
people in the fear of God, the other to restrain it by human laws.—
The effect of human law they all knew was to restrain crime; and
the alterations in those laws had been admitted to be improvements;
so that crime ought to be upoo the decrease. and •et it was a fact,
that it was encreasing. The state of morals in London and South-
wark was truly distressing. Did the people go to church on bon-
days ? Were not the shops, on the contrary, open ; the butchers'
stalls and the public houses, in fact ? It was a day of dissipa-
tion to the working classes, and the tradespeople could not get their
journeymen to work upon the Monday morning. If it were true,
then divine law ought to co-operate, in preserving the morals of the
people, with human law, this motion surely could not be of indif-
ference to their lordships. He knew that there were many worthy
Bishops upon the bench, who would give him their assistance upon
this occavion, and ho hoped that they would not disappoint him.—
The noble lord concluded by moving "that an humble address be
presented to his Majesty, praying that he would be graciously
pleased to appoint Commissioners to inquire and state if any, and
what, abuses existed in the United Church of England and Ireland,
and if any, to report such remedies as would he mom. expedient un.
der existing circumstances."
The motion was not seconded.

The LORD CHANCELLOR then put the question upun the
motion.

A short pause ensued, and his lordship declared it negatived.
The Earl of MOUNTCASHEL complained of ['Ong tak-n by
surprise. He meant to divide the house, and would do so now if it
was not too late.

The noble earl's proposTon war, however' met by loud cries of
" Order, order, the qoesion has been alr mdydisposed of," and here
the matter ended.

Some bills were then pushed through a stage, and the house ad.
journed at half.past eight o'Cloek.

HOUSE OF COMMONS-TUESDAY.

Numerous petitions were presented against the Beer Bill in the
course of the evening ; others complaining of digress ; and n few on
the monopoly of the East India Company.