Star.
London, England, 1804-06-09 00:00:00

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Ailed din to the genera patiOrtf the 111114.
sp free* obiefin. Na dIS
.1110 to the 112110 UM of the men propelled' is be WWI
feemsdy, as to the mow of tharbsieg railed teal
shied , as to the time in which the .sailor had both
bats forward. Before be proceeded to scabs •
tow • on thee points be boned ken ter
elf, *Lit was pretty generally Oland that osier
the meals es of the late Gave/neat, a degree 4
kinky as applicable to any forage danger bad ban
nbtabed, and we had cone to that his whide
called on us to look to our gads of porided ib
ditto:4We turce. The *eget formerle waist Om
admitted to have beat et lad to far aimed as to gin
sat art • y twang an anolies as a ree-
fer sesiddift bid hem* ei to Mb
4c* cehabited te asset thebutht=t."
het to as fee aey feteme_ ta~hisb we,
might tob . . . it wsswltfi dis wens
that the • was istanasonb and the Hoek were
called en to view it as die feestedia eta rearmit
Military Effabfillemeni. /a this light he neibbetal
it, and viewiag it Ist* light he mama ko arikrate
peat obkrvatkes. The Was se el an=
to be tailed was the irk greadvt
whidthe bed to his spiel del& lbw anis,
to him to be me rem to be at alleoldil-
ZlP:ith.dthe maiden( kir die main ann. Ilt sae
resisted that the tt.' Ayr mimed to
dreskaid for England si•dthapfeed ter
haelL Is chit cafe there be. a dmindes Me
the anent of tinny theekeff*r laglead. wink-
dsedieeksedoe fat Bolden wield he is the aniebot
of fen theefind. This anther it was kne‘ii
throw abegabar lase the Army of Refine. by Ishii
antagemeni the mean would be aegmemed to as
kb Wu fray cis theofised. This was ea
f
meet which be leseld sot IBE:t for eri:
*Hy interfered with die :21egthelea
gitlear Army sad for_tiat
_Merin. the ammiters
witty new •ndire labelite,ir the easisits weitett
by The of theakfideansia
bah , breaches of the wee. Its decker.
Leff, en Ring isdecemen ter him to prorate the
!Iletinfica of" Ilts Amy at Phew for mai
year. With sewn to the reeprint rendes et
3bn boas. be had to aajeeirnots eho meff
be did sot fee that leanes tho whisk. amber
tot forty-eight, wailed be ante ltd with any bad
tentativeness. But whet be objeded to was, the
throwing an the vanivies as they matron to be
filled up. is the Army of Reeve. If the Army of
Itekne were thus to be toppeeted, it was eine Offs.
es talk of Stag node nip* army. which.
sew that oar maim of inened defame wen atim•
was athelited as all heeds to be the great eis.
numbers
If it was etsempen to in up the
of the Army of Referee to the moues pro.
poled, he had so diffinity in deckling' It as his opi-
nion. that the attempt would be wally ditappoiated.
With mord to the mode is which the men were.te
be raile4 be bad as equally din& *Whim He
was convinced, that is prepped., as she kw:bye( the
prosifions of the Army- of Rehm Ailt were Edna,
the plan of filling up the defile:seeks would became
altogether nugatory. As Hos. f rind of his (Ss L
Buxton) bad congratulated the Honk as the ides
that, as the plan now end. it would relate the Lad
owner from the knit prefers under which, by the
rovificies of the Referee Aft, he bad laboured. He
himfelf confeffed that he • was rather st a lia(s to ie•
dertiand how this was to be dated. The' lady el-
ficacious ptisciple of the plan as it nowise" is the
i °Min of the foe. is cafes when &talkiest _amber
of men were not procured. If the fine was to be Is.
vied at all, it sal be levied principally ea the hied
Amen, and this being the cafe, it was sat way sift
to fee is what the latencies adserted to by the Hos.
Baronet angled. The preket means appeared ot
him to have in its mode of exaction a made:able
affinity to the Quota BM. It had been kid that as
Hon. Friend near him (Mr. Addisigtoo) had as a
formes night declared, that eat one tenth oldie nem-
ber of men to be railed by the Bill bad beespronsed.
Undoubtedly this atertion is not to be taken in she
full extent. Co far as the recruits for the army lad
navy were concerned As to the navy, nearly the
quota numbers were procured; but it was very dif-
ferent indeed with the army. It was tree that about
7000 men were railed ; but then, out of this sum.
ber, not more than taoo men were retained as effi-
cient for military (entice. He bad radon to be-
lieve, that when he reckoned the number fo high, he.
rather over-rated than dintiniffied their amount. At
this moment the whole remains of thefe recruits
which had been cenneßed with different corps, were
embodied in the 6111 regiment at Malta, and their
whole number was not above boo. With theta faille
before them, he called on the Houk to confider how
far it would be proper, under the eaidiniciremellie.
ces of the country, tole), .fade the balloting fyllon
He salted, whether it was poffible reafonably to se-
pta that we ihould, independent of compulfory mem.
lures, have fuch an army as all profited anxious to
fee ellabliffied ? The principle of the Militia efiablifh-
ment was founded on ballot. It was rscogeikd and
acknowledged by the wifdom of our ancellors. It had
on many occalions been the grand fource of our fecu.
city. At the commencement of a war, it enabled us
to preferve our tank and coefequence in the kale of
Nations. It was not therefore wife nor politic to give
up a certainty for an uncertainty. to relinquial what
bad been proved, for either what had not been tried,
or had been tried end totally failed. As to the bounty
propofed to be given to thole who volunteered their
Cervices, there was TlOthitli novel in the plan. The
fame regulation, though to a Ifs extent. had pre,
scaled fence the year .756, when it was fixed that
thole who were balloted for, unsold receive one half
of the bounty. Oa the whole. be was convinced.
that if the men were to be obtained. they would be
obtained only by compolfory eneafures, or by the
operation of a ballot. With regard to the time in -
which the plan was brought forward, be had to stet

p few obfervat ions Hating provided for the defence
dd
f the c against the aners, however
able which threatened it ; h g
avtog at this momentfo
five hundred thitufand men in arms, a force, which,
if it wa. not adequate to repel any invader, the Conn.
e-y was not worth defending—the great ()Wed.*, he
had repeatedly obferved, was, the augmentation of
our difpnfable force. When he alluded to this. he re.
ferred to the augmentation of our infantry of the line,
for we had'afutheient fupply of cavalry and artillery.
Under this impreffion the Members of his Majcity's
late Government had applied themfelves to the con.
ideratirm of this object. and formed a plan far car-
rying it into effed. Theybad refolved that a certain
somber of fecond battalions Ihould be railed, to be
attached to loose of the oldefi regiments in the fervice.
o—They had determined alto that ten new battalions
Should he formed. principally in Ireland and Scot-
t nd, with the guinea poffible difpateh. He took it
fur granted that this plan was now to be abandooed;
for if the Bill pinceeded, the number of men proper.
td to be railed could nett be procured. Thofe who
were molt fanguine is their expedadons from the
Bill, fruited a great deal to the patrio6fin and public
fpirit of the people. He would be the lag man to di
garage this pranotifio ete public fpirit. In the appli-
cation of the Army of Referee Ae, they bad unquef
eionabiy-difpland themfelves in the molt confpicuoua
*doers. By the numbers of men which, under the aid
6t this tpi!ite that Ad bad mental. the foundation
of oar 4ount7 was permanently eilablifheck What.
ever fanguine expeditions Gentlemen entertained on
the folded, be was free to confer that be did oat at
rarerd%litb the mode in which this faeces. if it was cf-
. was ter be obtained. if paw taws Were to
SW hi prsturing the recruits for their refiredive di4'
trial, obey Mull of ens:ries:pee to receive tome ems.
pesfation er reward for their labours: in this way
. be could not help conceiving that they would aims
trio rader and habit, of mere etidspe, a Species of
to be detailed and bested is every virtuous
inetrothity. It did not at all appear to him that in
c.niliise the *lives it all of an urgent snore,
it bold veraerratimnal Proffma of the jam'
#lll. stied/ha Bill; eyed' if paled into a law and
aidirriVretuld bad been addend for* Hoof:no-,
*befog siddopmcipitation. He ter Imelda*
• Ogee ad readier eof the Bill oe the 'rgefent exam:,
• yith.'s. IKURNE robe to reply, which he did at.
I, an .He was happy to had, from the (nab
Z
did Hero, Gentleman who had jell fat down,
at all into the ideas ofanother Right
(Mr. Alkliegtisa) otka for.
air endliohlllailtha Bill was inonellint with the
=es of a frestioidlittnioa. He was equally fa
to fee that the madam was not described
' its dee either nugatory or opprethve. The Right
Ithra. Gentlemett W cootendreaßtind the efficacy
qf the NI, but had tint at 4 Maintained that ifs
- ' were at • all ventims. It bad Men d
there
irstes
minuted, that at the pre feet moment
*as borWik eiceffity for the augmentation of
dcra;m4lar 1 ^getable force. With the view of ac-
ing tins etbrsd, the Bill, emoting ether things,
•properfed the reda&on of.the Wilda, and this Ire
Conceived melt, 'ppm. a very iMportant confident
doo.'"lf a large Amiable military force bad become
iseeeffirry. there was one of the mss etheacions means
for obtaining it. It had for a confiderable time been
dim decided opinion of thete of the bed informed in.
divider& in she country, that the prefect tweet of
die Militia Ettablifinnent was equally impolidc and
inexpedient. Recent circumflexes had otaireed to
give additional weight to that opinion. Since the
Union with Ireland, it has been found defirable that
a large difpofable force fleteld be left for the invite
of that part of the United Empire. and for that res.
relittwtas been contended, that the fervice of the re
' • Militias fhould be reciprocal. For grave
realms, it had been thilught proper at protein to
ifirmt this arrannient ; but ar the fame time, if a
aoleefoble force fe the protaßion of Ireland was on
el hands admitted to be neceffary, this afforded a
fining eignalaut for the gradual diminution of the
Militia of this-country, audio their. room to have a
fern Whore &reins would extend en every pan of
theljahed Kingdom. This was the (Oise" of the bill,
aid is far it bad his decided lawn, and appeared
' tel have powerful chime to the frfppert of the Hoofs
Ai to the melon by whic
to h the number of men to be
Toad by the Bill Were be procured, be begged
lane to mate a very few remarks. It bad been con.
ended, that as the measure now flood, it would ope
rats with pecitliar preffure on the land owners; and
for that reafon, a Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Ad.
Angola) had defalbed it as highly oppreffive. He
eesdefed hinielf afinniffied to hnr fuels language
from the Honoorable Grentlernan under whole Ad-
from
not lefs than • hundred thnufand men
bad been raifed by ballot. Did the Right Hon.
Gentleman mean to affert, that the ballorting fy nem
was attended with no inconveniencies and no hard.
hips r He certainly could not hold loch a language.
The thing was altogether impoffible. If the queftion
came to be firittly confidered, it would he difficult
to !hew that there was even juftice far lets humani-
ty, in the fyllem of hallooing. The fad is, it either
operated on the lower order• as a meafure of com-
pulfory fervice. or on thole of better circumflexes,
as a tax for the commutation of their Cervices—
Whether it operated in the one way or the either, it
was import-Ode to deny that it was accompanied with
bat (holds and fevetity. It had been argued, that
though the Airily 44 Referee
7t
the was f
of in its
s
preffure it was only a seamy, inllead wh
the prefent Ad meant to be. a permanent meafure.
It was not very eafy to fee on what ground this af-
fertion was founded. If the Army of Referee Ad
was carefully examined, k would be rather a hard
talk to thew that it was not in all points of view as
much of a permanent nature as that now before the
Wore. There was not a (Ingle chute in the Referve
Ad from which its temporary duration could be in
(erred. It was not fair, then, to employ dick fort
of at guments option the smellier. it was but what
candour required that it Ibould Rand on its merits
impartially Rated. The prefent Bill was confeffedly
more lenient than the Retiree Ad, and all argument
drawn ogainfl it as a permanent meafure were pre-
mature and unjuftifiable. It had been affirmed that
the prefent Insecure was nearly affimilated to the
(trout Bill, and that this :onion had not obtained
- one-tenth part of the number of men which it was
defigned to procure. He was really at a lois to knew,
what the &ounce's were which could warrant of

affection to confidently brought before the Hatifee•••
The docanneinerrefeeaing the number of men pro•
cured for the army were not prepared with Officio*
accuracy. With regard to the number procured for
the navy, however, this was not the cafe. He coast
Rite confidently that of the fix thoufand which were
required, nearly five thonfand were -altually levied
and diftributed among numbers of his, hiejedy's
(hips. But the prefent meafure differs in one molt
important refpea from the (tante Bill. In that cafe
the bounties were unlimited, and in many inliances
they were enormoutly high. The whole was done by
the parities without the interference of the Legilla.
cure at all. In the prefent cafe the bounties were to
be pofitively reßrieed. It was infinuated that the
men procured by this Bill mitt be in charaCter
fimilar to chafe obtained by the sou Bill, who had
been defcribed as the (cum of focuty, as a let of in.
dividuids who carried with them difeafe and difaffec-
don whenever they approached. On this point he
had to fay. that if improper perfons were then intro•
doted into the Army , and Navy, it was not becaufe
they were drawn from the (cunt of fociety. It was
becaufe. in many 'ensues, the bounties were fo
drankoss that perfons even above the lower orders
of life ware induced to enter the Army or Navy who
atherwife would never hate thought of entering in
either. Such an inconvenience was now to be com-
pletely removed. 'and the only oh ea which was in
view was to prevent all the claki and competition
which high bounties bad in all the branches
of the (trek,. If teen plats the* not be fo
cf-
!Went as the fyllem by ballot; Rill the regular army
wield have a better oppnemnity of recruiting, di.
waked of all rivalry and competition. But a good
dal
lad been laid relative to the expediency of cel-
la*/ for a limited term of lattice. If the Right
rabic Gentleman. however. who fonkilait Wif
iosafounded Se his Opinion, that the Bill would bri
laiessethei inefficient, then the recruiting for the rt.
Om way would not be at all affefied. It had bees,
adeitted that there was a deficiency of 9000 men hit
die Army of Referee, and the late Minifters had
sonfeired. that to attempt to fupply_this deficiency
erase vale attempt. The Bill probffed to make this
and it was &fay but fair that the esperi-
meat be tried. But it &ems that a large body
;el IIItICWITIC to be ratfad• fur general fervice. He
issalefed be did not Ike whit hope of this could be
!entertained, when it was found that the inducement
'of high bounties and limited fervice did not allure
men to 'Mill, a hope cannot he entertained of efferaing
thisobjaa without thefe inducements, and under the
point,* **React of reduced bounty. The great
drawback to the recruiting formerly was that thole
who had, a defies to go into the army kept back in
the hope that a kin higher bounty might prefent
it-
Pelf. Bet by the meafure now before the Houfe
this expeffiation would be removed. A permanent
fyftem wield be looked up to. and recruiting would'
*en have a chance of fair and full operation. The
aka of the meafure would, in the firft inftance, be,
to tare a force only for a limited fervice: but the,
cloak= of what took plice in the comic of g few
months, was (efficient to give us the heft hopes of Its
effeas. In there few months no fewer than thirty
,thnufand troops had volunteered for general ferries,
and if this was the cafe, under very unfavourable
circumflances, what might not be expelled under
thofe of the mat encouraging nature, and when the
slumber of the Referee would be increafed from forty
to nay or feventy durifand t On the lofal rectuit-
ihg. which the Bill goes to encourage, he waled
to make a tingle obfervatioic—the. effect of this fyf.
tem he needed not to de(cribe. It mull be obvious
to every one who refleaed for a moment on the rub.
jolt. During the exiftence of the ballot, if a fitbiti-
tote was to be procured, thole wanting him were
not confined to their own diflrift. They might go
into the molt populous it, runt to in the king-
dom, from which afore the r.cru'ts for the regular
army could be tape/fed. Br the privitinas ut the
Bill, however, this e VII eir4• remedied, and the field
was left clear int the recruiting of the 'ecular army.
On 'the whole the Right H noarable Gentleman was
fully convinced of the expechenes of the Bill, and fat
down by giving it hi. decioed foppart.
Mr. YOREE explained..
Mr. BASTARD maintained, that the Bill was of
at unconflitotional and datigeinto. nature. Large
Rending armies, particidaily in time of trace, were
abhorrent to the princivle. of our C•ntlitution ; and
as the Bill went in lay the foondation of a permanent
army, at the expellee of the Militia fyttem, he felt it
his duty to oppofe it. Notwitlittanding that laxity'
in thofe principles of attachment to iierdom which
now prevailed. he thould ever refill any 'rya; ti re ohi h
had the effed at withdrawing a great mat, of the 40.
potation from their old foetal feelings, habits, and
ties: and to prepare them to affill in any attempts to
violate our liberties, however flagrant. The Woythy
Member illtillrated this idea Ilrnngly ; and conceiving
that the Biil had ultimately this tendency, fat down
by declaring he Ihoitld vote againtt it. In the courfe
of his fpeech he alto made Gime very judicious re-
marks on the vexatious nature of the exectitirm of the
Bill. He alto introduced tome revere remarks on the
(range compnfition of the prefent Miniary. The
greater part of them whom the Right Honourable
Gentleman at the head of his Majetty's counfels had
pronounced quite incapable and inefficient, had now,
by tome extraordinary change, become quite lively,'
vigorous, and energetic. This reminded him of a
certain French animal, which being deprived of a
little blood, in the room of which the blond of ants•
ther animal was introduced, it indent!), partook of
all its properties and qualities.
Mr. BANKES fit that, loch a country as this,
there was no plan which could be fuggetted for its
defence, that cools, be entirely free twin objettion.
It was improper to entertain very linguine espeeta-
lions, either of this Bell, or any other. in its ratting a
(nice rapidly. In every free government, it was
neetliary to call the attention of the petple to the
exigency of the tittles, in order to make :Item judge
of the preffore of the demand ; for there were many
things to which they would fubmit. by doing to,
and no other wife. The fine pr tpofed in the prefent
All was faitly and moderately fupplied. and would
be a flimuln, true ettivitvin utdrr to find the men
required. 1 I.eQuita Bill, which paired in 1797, had
been much rehired in, but he taw no rciernhlaucc be-
twist the toe and tile other. On the whole, he ap-
proved rf the 1,: an now fuggened.
Mr. AT RICH 1* went into a variety of
objtetious to the scal, the principal of which were,

duties: w
df 4cl eaxtrzeulyreittnopfrdocperh a ipaikeript-fiidime theo archreas-
cacers.
.He was forty to lad that it was pro-,
poled authorize then to go into the adjoining pa
-
rakes and diaries. Thofe men lima not, in 'llia
what they derived
d fro*imthtliilenyaethrh
nature Oftteir Offie other t.all
The accumulation of pettalties elk( which the precast
-Bill. if tarried into law, would inflift, in cafe of De-
gligence or deiCiency on the part of the pariihts, in
furnithing the (pole with which they were chargeable.
was, in his mind, a decilive objeeion to the Bill, and
therefore he would vote again l it.
Mr. ELLISON leased to avoid all invidious com-
panions between the melon Adminilltation and the
laft, but really he could not bring his mind to approve
of the crude (yam that was now offered to them,
and which, in his judgment. poffeffed no fuperimity
over the plans that had beta (obtained to the Hooks
except that the practice of ballot was excluded
He could not confider it in any otherlight than that'
of creating* force always regarded as conaitutiom
ally dangerous, he meant a Minding army, 4na W
means the molt cootemptible, the agency of 'patillt-:
en. It went alfo tO the extraordinary determi-
Nation of reifing a fund for the recruiting of that
army, without the concurrence of Parliament. He
jellified the intentions of the late AdMiniaration with
refpee to fufpeo.ding the Aft for mans the Army
of Refervt.
Colonel MITFORD oppora the Bill os wading
do make further addition to that force of which their
macaws had always entertained a coniliastionaljea-
loufy, he meant a anodic; army. He Fitly caw
fielded in all the objeeiom urged agaiolL the cmatina
faith a force by'the Hon. Member on the other fide
'of the Houk (Colonel Ballard). He never could be
illeciogpe to reconcile his mind to thatfpecies of force,
;Mien he Law the aces produced by it. France..
'where there are thirty'millions of people, aauated by
a fpirit of the molt ardent liberty, was held in a, f
lir the moil difgtaceful bondage by two Of three ham
deed thoufand foldiers.
Sir JOHN WROTTESLEY, helm h. vistMod
la the difcuffian of the queftion which was regularly
before the Houfe, wilted to make fome Obfervetions •
eta the argument which was principally. urged by itte-
(three gentlemen who loft (poke igaiaittht Bill, and
that was, that by' the operation of it irorf great
.hurth ren would be thrown on the parochial *Scow
Hc could not concur in that objellion, for any ON
who looked- into our municipal regulatioas, band
perceive that for the hilt eo or do years, that 'de=
.lcription of panto have always been charged Wide
!the duty of raifing men. Where was the
then ? If any gentleman read the prefent Bill, let
would find that there was no coenpullion on the.
parilh officers to procure malt they were ((Nat se
no fine in cafe of not fucceediog, and he could not
fee why, at a calls when all of us were hyrloty bound
to contribute our molt Ilrencons exertions towordsi
the protection of the State, that whatever they in
furtherance of that great obje@lbuold ba zetittitott
by the preterit. Bill to perform, could be confideritd
as either onerous or oppreffive. The other argumet*
which had been advanced by thole Hon. Gentlemee,
-that it was raifing men nor by parliamentary taxation.
was, in his mind. quite as untenable as the one he had,
adverted to, and he hoped confuted. To be convinced
of that he would only call on any *gentleman who
doubted it, to read the Bill, and he would there Grill
that the only taxation the parilbes would be fubje*
to was • moderate fine, in cafe the recrulls they were
charged with were not procured. Whatever differ•
enter of opinion might have fubfified between the
various parties in that Houle, there was one thing in
which they were agreed, that it was neceffary to
create a great difplifable force. For if any thing
could put an end to the war in which we were odor-
turtately engaged, if any thing could convince the
(alive and daring enemy with whom we had to
contend, that we are not with impunity to be On-
uhly attacked, it would be the circundiance of
having a great difporable force at our command.
Oec.ilions may, and, he truaed, would wife. when
it would be necelfary fir us to employ it ; we
&odd, therefore, be prompt and decifive, and pre-
pare (moieties for that poffible emergency.
Wight lion. Gentleman (Mr. Mike). objefted to
the rucalitre, becalife he confidered it as compul-
fory. He geared the Right Hon. Gentleman had
n t read the Bill. and that he had taken his opinion
ol it froin what he heard thrown out on a former
n ght ; for in the Bill before them there was not a
tingle claufe that could be confidered as cornpulfive
in its operation. Another Right Hon. Gentleman
(Mr. Addington), had fuggelted the propriety of
deferring the immure to the next Seffioni but in that
he believed he could fcarcely find a perfon to agree
with him, at Waft among thole who ufually fat at the
other fide of the Houfe. The Right Hon. Gentle-
man (Mr. Yorke), who is a friend, he might alipoa
fay by birth, to the Militia Syllem. was of ()Oaks
that the meafure would be inefficient, and for this
reafoit, that he thought the country had been ex-
haulted by the recruiting fervice, Once so,ooo men
bad entitled into the Army of Referee. He could
not coincide in that opinion, and he was Pure the
Right lion. Gentleman, when he made it, did not
confider that there was an annual fupply of recruits
to be obtained in this country, chiefly from the large
manufaauring towns, and from young men who
were jai out of the, apprenticellsips. He gave his
hearty concurrence to the Bill, as dearoying altoge-
ther the fyftem of ballot. He would not longer
trefpafs on their attention, as no doubt there were
many Gentlemen anxious to deliver their opinions
no the plan, a plan, which in its relent conflict'.
tional form, had his hearty fupport, and to which
molt probably'he would not have objeaed as origi-
nally propofed, if the irceffity of our fitnation had
unfortunately required it.
Mr. FULLER Law the Bill in a very objeftionable
point of view. In hi; mind it would lead to an ac-
cumulation of taxes, the immenfity of which would
at lergth amount nearly to the annihilation of all
property. A Right Hon. Gentleman ( Mr. Yorke)
had offered time objettioas to it, which had great
weight with him. He never willed to turn that
Right lion. Gentleman out he always admired hit
frank and manly charafter, and he would have been
happy to have teen him cootinited in that elation
he to worthily tilled. There was alto another Hon.
Gentleman (Mr.Fos) on dr: bench below him, whole
fpiendid and various talent.. and whole emotive in-
formats= would have given a lizength to Adnaini-

t
Aratioa, that all tree, friends to their country mon
have been anxious for. He Caw withefurprde amt
regret that Gentleman did not enter into his hla*.ef-
y's councils; with fur prize, he mull fay, for be
knew the magnanimity and forgiving difpofition . f
the Sovereign. ( Akre cr., of Order.) Ot his at,.
' vereign he would fay—[ldere the Speaker rote, and
infanta the Hon.'Gentleman, that he was proceed-
ing alainft the orders of the Houfe.) Well, then,
ford Mi. Fuller, fince t am allowed to (peak. I am
foray dire has not been a coalition. (di /owl laugh.)
Well, then, I believe that is the general fenfe ..f the
country. ' As to the Bill before them, he would n t
glie It .any oppnfition in the prefent Rage, but he.
would referve lumfelf for the third reading. when .f
he did not find it to meet the approbation of his con.
fiituents, he would vote egainft it.
Mr. DENT could perceive that the adherents oftl'e
tale AdMinifitetion, as well as their principals who
corepaid it, could not be induced to approve of any
Bill fat the national defence except that which they
bad brought in. For their feccers and ability in that
retort, lit would only refer.to the Voleuteer Bill and
'the liscome Aft. The former they were never able,
with.all their means and perfeverenoe, to pufh through
both Houfes of Parliament, and the tncome Tax was
to unintelligible that no Colleakon, even to this day,
Lad been made under it. Of the Gentleman who
bpd fpoken in fuoh vaunting language of his lolling
him coafeiantious motives, he would ark, was the
Member for Lincoln the only independent man in
that Houle t was he the only Member who did not
emit a place ?—(7l. Has. Afromber war called to order
4do &sista.)
' Mr. ELLISON rote to es pl,ain;and to declare that
M what be had Paid he did not mean intim)* any im-
plication on the motives or coadua of any Honoura-
ble Member of that Hoeft.
Mr. DENT profeffed himfelf fatisfied with the
declaration of the Hon. Gentleman, and 'ditclaiming
a 'intention of meaning any thing perfnnal to him,
conceived he bad a right to advert to what bad been
'thrown out in Debate. The objea of the Bill was
loprovide for the deficiency produced in our military
filetn. by the forayer .4.dminittration, a. deficiency
.'cli had been often alluded to, and centered by the
Gebtlenten on the. Other fide of the Houfirs and
'Mich, he had: no doubt, they would have occafion
tet eatfnrimatn. An Hon. MeMber oppoflte to hint
.4id clifllaiWee47of_tbe Bill for a took extraordinary
reitton tentel4, that the prefent Adminifirattion was
`not formed on a breed hint; would any Gentleman
Rate that to'be the fault of the Right Honourable
Wilber:o4r- to :00the bench him He
would 'vote in fupport Of the Bill being read a fe..„.
coed dab, end,. it trifled, that through the drift-
ance of the Hon. Gentlijsan at the other fide of the'
Houg (wl47l:l4P)(siiield be rendered perk& ; het
diettrelmped.sk irtoltiLbe &feted to go into a
Committee, for the Enipcie.it receiving correaiotis
and alteratiotera . !CVO_ ..;•' •
.iNtiAItRICIOCO'PriLitSONB could diteover but
onoopihion in the Houle as to thr necellity of in-
metier our force, and the only.difference that exifii
ed is isettiteent was ail to the manner in which that
tone Smola be railed. Although he confidered the
modepropteed by this Bill as creating a difpofable
force is inferior to others that had been foggeiled. he
was, notwithrianding,psreparedto fupport it. It was
'formerly prepaid to ride men for rank, a mode to
which he taw no important objettions, fubjea as it
would be to the excellent regulation introduced by the
Commander in Chief, and yet no Conner was it men-
tioned, duet a clamour was intluntly railed again& it,
and he beard nothing from all quarters but the cry of
“ would yoit ruin the army ?" When the propotal
was trade to raife men by ballot, the outcry was, if
prattle, much greater. When it is prorfed to re-
cruit in the regular Army, then it is objected that the
country is exhaulled, and that there can'he no hopes
of drawing any confiderable force from that &twee.
So that there was not a poffible mode of recruiting.
men, to which Tome extraordinary, and as (bolt
who urged 'them conceived, -infurmountable objeo-
tinns were not offered. All confeffed that it was ne-
eeffary to mile a great force t and yet every mode
that was propoled for accomplifhing it, was objetted
to. How long. would he elk, was the country to go
on this way ? A Right Hon. Gentleman oppofite to
him (Mr. Windham) had, in a former debate, fug-
gelled the propriety of enlifting men for a limited
term, and that was immediately objeted to by hie
Right Hon. Friend near him (Mr. Yorke). What
was demanded by the fupporters of the prefent Bill I
I Why, nothing more than to allow it to go into a
Committee, and to fee whether it could not receive
improvement there. There was no plan, no fyfiern
that human ingenuity could devife, that may not be
liable to objetnion ; and yet the potlibility of iniper-
feetion, was but an ill argument againft all effort of
attaining to praakable utility. He thought his
Right Honourable Friend's mode the belt of the two;
but when there were two ways propofed of getting at
a thing, if ciremultances put it out of his power is
-follow one, he would take the other. He prdumed
that it was is the contemplation of the Government
to apply the mestere recommended by the Bill to
Ireland. If that were the cafe he had no doubt of
its complete faced, for he was perfuaded there was
not a parith in that part of the United Kingdom
which would not raife the men, rather than fubjea
itfelf to the fine. He would rote for proceeding
with the Bill.
Mr. CHAPMAN was of opinion, that the colonial
and home demand for our military force could not
be carried to a greater extent then it aaually was.
He wifhed that Government had fallen upon torn,
mode of leffening that dernar.d. He thought that
it would be advileable on many grounds that our
poCellions in both the Indies lhould be gartifoned
and defended by troops drawn from the Edit Indies,
by Sepoys, who were inured to the climate of thole
latitudes, rho could fupport the inconveniences of
them Without rifk r,t the dangers that Europeans
were fobjed to, and who could, from the popish.
'inn of the countries they were drawn from, be firp-
plied to any number. He fully agreed in the praifes
that had been bellowed upon the Militia; that might
be truly denominated the conftitotional force of the
country ; and, he trolled, it would always be ID.
created in a commenfurate degree with what was
called the regular force.
Lord DE BLAQIII ERE would not follow the
example of force Hon. Members who bad fpoken be-
fore him, and go into the details of the ineafuic, pi 0-
poled by the prefent Dill. The Teal iiiutjtion, ice Lis