Star.
London, England, 1802-12-16 00:00:00

PAR lAMEN7 PROGA6DIAGS.

HOUSE OF LORDS, WEDNESDAY, DEC. Is,

The Sul vc.yor General of the Crown Land% brought up cer-
tain Reports cones ning the fame, which aver • laid on the Table.
Me Fier Millions Exchequer Big,. Bill—the (Zt2allfication
lnde'•nity Bill—and the Petition Duty Bill,went through their

refpeetive ftages.
PEACE ESTABLISHMENT.
The .Order ache Day was moved for the Houfe
to go into a Committee on the Malt Duty Bill.—
This called up—
Earl Ss lac sa, who began with explaining what
he meant on Monday, by laying, that he agreed
to the extent of die proposed eftablithment ; he cer-
tai..ly agreed to its extent, in as far as it exceeded
the ordinary peace eftablithment ; but he had tome
rbfervations to make upon it, which naturally di-
vided themlelves into three heads. Firft, the un-
parliamentary and unconftitutional mode in which I
the augmentation had been propoted, without any I
previous explanation to Parliament. Secondly, 1
The detail and proportion of the prnpoted eftablifh-
silent, as compared with the ttate of the countrT,
and its defence from invation ; and thirdly, 1 o
whom the application of fuch an encreafed force
was to be entrufted. With regard to thb firft of
Oleic three heads he had enlarged upon it fo much,
and it had been dircuffed fo fully on Monday, that
he did not think it necetfary to take up the time of
the Houfe with it then, though he thould feel it
neceffary to record his fenfe of fo irregular, un-
ufual, and unconftitutional a proceeding on the I
Journals of the Houle. With regard to the pro-
portion of the ellablithment, much might be faid ;
130,000 men, with our 'militia eftablithment, and
our volunteer corps, might be fufficient for the in-
ternal defence and proteaion of the kingdom, but
he did not think So poo feamen fufficient, when
he confidered that Martinique and the French
Well India Wands were given up to the French,
and probably the Cape was in their hands likewife.
His Lordfhip reafoned at tome length on this head,
declaring that, according to report, it was faid by a
Noble Admiral high in office, that we might have
an additional fleet of 6o fail of the line manned
and equipped for fee in a month. He much doubt-
ed that any Inch large additional force could be
got ready for Pea in fo fhort a time: After dilating
on this head) die Earl came to his third head, viz.
The confideration into whore hands the eftablifh-
ment was to be entrufted ; and, when he confidered
that the prefent Milliliters had loft his confidence,
be could not agree to the giving them the right to
apply fo great a force in what manner they chofe,
sfpetially when they claimed the novel and un-
beard of confidence of being allowed to employ the
whole or what part of this eftablithment they
thought fit. Such a difcretion was direaly in the
teeth of former praaice, and even the praaice of
the laft SeiLon• of Parliament, when a different
military eftabliihment had been voted at three le-
sreral periods. Why not follow that praaice now,
and vote the eftablithment only for a few months,
and then retort to Parliament again ? His Lord-
Stip went into a long train of reafoning on a va-
riety of points which he had infifted upon in his
f‘righ on the laa night when this fubjea was under
ffion.—He finished a fpeech of great ability
by voting againft: tyre further provers of the Bill,
without tome information refpetamg the relative
ituation of this country and Foreign Powers,
which could juftify their Lordthips in contenting
to Co large an eftablifhment as Minifters had pro-
pofed for the fervice of the year.
The Earl of Surromt, in a fliort fpeech, exa-
minee', in detail the military meafures of the late
Adminiftration, fhewed that in every inflance they
were difaftrous, and deprecated the return of men
who had entailed filch mifery on the country, to
his Majefty's Connie's. He expreffed great afto-
nifhment at hearing Noble Lords accufing the pre-
fent Minifters of propofing meafures to the Houfe,
on the ground of confidence, when he confidered
what was the fyftem on which the late Adniiniftra •
tion bad abed. They had abed beyond all former
Minifters on that very fyftem of confidence which
thefe Noble Lords now reprobated. Confidence,
indeed, was the grand fupport of their power. The
Noble Lord, before he fat down, declared that
Minifters had hitherto done nothing to forfeit the
confidence of the country ; "and, as long as they
ailed on the fame principles, they were welcome
to his cordial fupport. He cared not who were
Minifters, lithe good of the country was confult.-
ed.—For himfelf, he fought neither for places, for
honours, nor for preferment. He wilted not to
be warped by connexion. His mind was indepen-
dent, and he gave his opinion on every fubjed from
the bell judgment which he was able to form.—
His Lorclfhtp was for the motion.
The LORD CHANCELLOR quitted the,Woolfack,
and obferved, that he fhould not thus early have
obtruded himtelf on the attention of their Lord-
Alp, had not fomething fallen in the debate, per-
tonally applying to himfelf ; and he was alto im-
pelled to come forward, by the urgent and impor-
tant nature of the queftion before the Houfe.—
The quellion regularly before their Lordfhips was,
whether they would read the order for going into
a Committee to confider of. Bill of Supply, which-
. not only went to dice the Military Eftablithments,
but even the Civil Exitlence of the Country : it
was a Bill, which in that Houfe had been regu-
larly voted without oppofition, from year to year,
and which they would bear in mind, not only re-
garded the Naval and Military, but the Civil Etta'
blithments of the Country. In the courfe of what
bad fallen. from the Noble Earl who (poke laft,
Tome obfervations had been made which he felt
- himfelf iniperioully called upon to anfwer. They
regarded that part of the conduift of the late Ad-
troniftration, which related to the meafures adopt-1
ed by them, againft thofe who were endeavouring,
by means of Sedition and Treafon, to deftroy the
Government 'aid to fubvert the Conftitution of
the Country. The guilt of thofe meafures, if
guilty they are, lay as much on his 'boulders
as on thofe an Member of the late Admi-
o •/4could, a ree that their Inc-
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