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PdRLI.efiIMNTARr PROCEEDINGS.

Marquis WELLESLEY—Then the Noble and e r
tnill...osßrriL. 'Read a first, and orde.reJ to IN: • a flan; Harm
----- ' • Learned Lord will not be so irregular as to do me time
HOUSE OF LORDS, font 2S. justice. It is an irregularity, it seems, to do rnejus- Mr. W. POLE obtained leave to Meg. In a Bill to
and anunad the Irish Cuumy Police Bill.
elliwtausbberot;tv,:linauteep heody seta
in. POul naj.
Mr. Notate and Mr. RIC MAR Of were heard on the Appeal tice.—( Order, Order.) 1 Mr. W. POLE brought up the Irish qtamp Du( min
Waterpark and Auttin—Judgment to-morrow. [The CHIEF JUSTICZ of the Common Pleas then a first time, and ordered fora second res. •liug tie intones —ow kali
ROMAN CATHOLICS. delivered in a few words, the opinion of the Judges • a
ftritTbetilmriesh,
aßnuatt:rjebti
The Marquis WELLESLEY.—I rise, my Lords, on the Appeal, and the further consideration was 1 The Report ot the Irish Custnns Bill waisereieri. "it'
to give notice that it is my intention on an early day ' postponed till to-morrow.] Theselootinshd•rredasinutryts..Bmilis Bette! was read a illat time, e,,
to to submit to your Lordships a resolution on a subject • EarIGREY then proposed tomove, that the Lords for a
Thy' Irish Bak•.rs' call was con:matt d, .r.i.l the R:e.
of the very highest importance.—l mean the laws af- be summoned for Wednesday se'nnight—and upon
fecting the Roman Catholics of the United Kingdom. this question resumed his observations on the subject
have thought The Limn Bounty ittroltio.ition Bill seas trail a
This question was brought forward at a very early of the Catholics. I should he ' not, said,
to be received to•mor. ow: • ''t crdttal
and ocdered to be read a s...:oud time to•u•Lrl...w.
period of the present Session, upon a motion respect- lit necessary to trouble your Lordships at present with The Glass Duty Bik wai re.ed a fast t• se 1:11
ing the general state of Ireland. I was then of opi- '
il any farther observations on this subject, were it not amid reading to•monow.
nion, and your Lordships were of opinion, that un- ' '. "1474 krt
that my forbearance might have the appearance of islw•Agfued Tales bill wai "al a Lest time, Ind (edam
to be read a set old time to-morrow.
der the circumstances of that period, it was prema- • giving way too much to the interruption which I met lise Addition.el Paitage Bill was reed a Erst time, mesa
ture and improper to enter upon the consideration of ' with. I 'was calling your Lordships' attention to f .c.r a second re.itiing to-morrow. ' -.... oreesi
the question. The subject was afterwards submitted The (,:ontn•ittee on Mr. P4lntes .4
Bill was .
the time when, and the circumstances under which, •
ParSiledl
to your Lordships in a distinct shaperat a subsequent this Parliament first assembled. . Your. Lordships lonel Painter's motion, till Friday. sa e•••
i Mr. W..BOOTLE presented a petition front jaw, period, by my noble Friend neainse, but had not remember, that for proposing a small concession to
1 the Xeeper of Lancaster gaol, praying Inquiry. It untillit
the good fortune then to be entertained by the House the Catholics—and small I thought i. because my had attempted to ',cape, and had in consequence ben
with a view to the final adjustment 9f this important 1 opinion went the length of full relief—circumstances, ' Sarssu"" et onemitted to cia.er sonfintmeitt, but Lad Item rekasel se a
question. On that occasion L sppported the propo- pressing coned:ion. -
however, at that time, rendered it impossible to make
; Mr. BROUGHAM bore testlmcny to the excellent ye,
anion for entering upon the consideration of the laws l'a full concession, and that alone prevented from
me ' lacy Character of the falter.
affecting the Roman Catholics, with a view to a final t recommending the entire repeal of the penal laws I, vinitlr F. BURDETP signjtheilds Intent%)
and satisfactory arrangement ; and I stated at length against the Catholics—For the slight concession that ' ter 00 Frisky. The Petition was ordere'd"tet°libertirrhsalltal
the. reasons which induced me to adopt that line of was proposed, however, the Administration of which 1 Mt. WALLACE stated, that cite business of Oude, eseedb—
Ing erhich Mr. Brougham had given node, of a mats,,
Ili
conduct. I did more than that. When his Royal I had the honour to form a part was dismissed. The .
i under thesonsideration of the Directors.
Mr. BROUGHAM sold, as u Was his only gibject that de,
Highness the Prince Regent did me the honoui to cry of "No Popery" was rased, and every means in-
ask my advice with regard to the formation of a new should be s.mw enquiry into the matter, abed as ff ti --
dustriously used to inflame the blindest and most infu 1
Administration, I stated to him frankly and plainly, riated passions of the multitude, against the principlei 1 proper hands, he would withdraw his motion fot Ibis".
that the consideration of the laws affecting the Ro- and theofthose who hadcomposedthat G te • ern t• be re
i ,Thie Bahama Trade Bid was comati t 1• R
persons -
man Catholic subjects of the United Kingdom, with vernment. Under these circumstances, and amidst I "l'it." r.4"virruw.
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a view to the adoption of such conciliatory measures
as would give peace and security to the empire,
ought to form the basis of any Administration that
his Royal Highness might think proper to call to his
Councils. I should have wished, my Lords, to have
proceeded to this consideration, even in the present
session ; but it does not appear to me that this can
now be effectually done. Nothing, therefore, remains,
but to take such steps towards the accomplishment
of so desirable an object, as circumstances would per-
mit; and it is upon this ground that I have determin-
ed to call upon your Lordships now to pass a resolu-
tion, pledging yourselves to take this question into
consideration, at an early period of the next session;
and pledging yourselves not only to take the subject
into consideration, but also defining distinctly that
this consideration is to be with a view to the adoption
of suck measures as may at the same time conciliate
his Majesty's Roman Catholic subjects, and provide
for the security of the Protestant Establishment ; so
as to extinguish animosity, and promote concord and
unanimity, among all classes of the community.
t Notwithstanding the repeated discussions of this
1 question which have taken place, and the advanced
state of the sessirn, such is the importance of this sub-
, ject, that I should propose rather a distant day for
' bringing forward this resolution. Some day next
week might, perhaps, be convenient for this purpose ;
and I should therefore suggest Wednesday se'nnight.
Earl GREY.—My conduct, my Lords, in regard
to this question is too well known to make it neces.
sary for me to say, that when the resolution of which
notice has now been given, is brought forward, it
I shall meet with my most cordial and zealous support.
1
Twice in the present Session—repeatedly in former
Sessions—have I contended to the best of my ability
that it was both just and expedient that you should
I go to the full extent of the relief claimed by his Ma-
-1 Jesty's Roman Catholic subjects. I cannot help con-
. gratulating the country—l cannot help congratulat-
I mg myself—that th;s question will now be submitted
to your Lordships' a tension under new and happier
auspices, and with brighter prospects of success.—
your Lordships must recollect what were the conse-
quences of proposing to extend a small favour to the
Roman Catholics—for it was called, and justly call-
ed, only a little concession in the Mutiny Bill. Your
Lordships must recollect the circumstances under
which the present Parliament was chosen. It was
exactly five years yesterday since this Parliament
i first assembled. On the 22.1 of June, 1807, the Par-
' liament met, after having been elected amidst the
clamours of 44 No Popery."
Earl of BUCKINGHAMSH IRE.—I reallymust
call the Noble Lord to order. A notice of motion is
given, and when the motion is brought forward, then
will be the time for the Noble Lord to deliver his
sentiments on this subject. The Noble Lord, how-
ever, is utterly passing the limits usually allowed on
a notice, and is proceeding to discuss the subject as
► if the motion were actually made. This, my Lords,
I apprehend is altogether irregular.
Earl GREY.—I intended to have troubled your
Lordships with only a very few observations at pre-
sent. Perhaps, however, they may be as well reserv.
ed for the day on which the discussion shall regu-
larly come on. Bot I had only to move that the Lords
be summoned for that day, and then I might have pro-
ceeded in a perfectly regular way. I must say, how.
ever, that if I was out of order, the Noble Marquis
who gave the notice must also have been out of or-
der. In a question of this importance, perhaps a
rigid adherence to regularity might for once have
been dispensed with.
The Marquis WELLESLEY.-Isty Lords, if I
have been out of order, my apology is, that I have
been so with the sanction of the Noble and Learned
Lord on the Woolsack:—( hear, hear.)
Lord REDESDALE.—The Noble and Learned
Lord on theWooliack stated, that there was another
question then before the House, but that, for the
convenience of the House, the notice Of the Noble
Marquis might, notwithstanding, be given.
Marquis WELLESLEY—I consulted the Noble
Lord on the Woolsack before I gave my notice. He
informed me, that there was a question then befors
the H9use (a question respecting the appeal, Water.
park and Austin) and that it would be irregular to
give the notice ; but that for the convenience of the
House, the irregularity would be passed over. I ray
again, therefore, that if I was out of order, it was
with the sanction of the Learned Lord on the wool-
sack. I did not, that I am aware of, exceed the usual
limits allowed in giving notices. I entered into no
discussion, bin stated, as I conceived I had a right
to do, the precise object of the Resolution to which
I intended to call your •Lordships' attention. If I
have exceeded the usual limits allowed in such cases,
1 hope the Noble and Learned Lord will give the pro-
per explanation, and state in, what respects I have
overstepped the ordinary bounds.
LORD CHANCELLOR—eI shah certainly not
be so irregular as to enter into any such explanation,

these bigotted clamours, this Parliament was chosen;
and met for the first time on the 22d of June, 1807.
While I congratulate my country, then, on the
prospect of at length accomplishing a measure which
Ipromises to be attended with so much national
vantage, I must say that it is matter of congratula-
tion to myself, that on the anniversary of the first
meeting of this Parliament, tlecicd under the cis-.
cumstances which I have mentioned, a resolution has
been proposed to this same Parliament, going the./
full length of Catholic concession by one of those
who under such circumstances came into oilice ; and
that this resolution has been carried by a large ma-
jority. This, my Lords, is not only matter of con-
gratulation to me, in regard to the past, but of en-,
couragement for thc future. It is an encouragement:
to me to persevere in that line of conduct. which my
sense of duty, and the view of the interests of my
country point out as most proper for me to follow—,
however my motives may be misrepresented, and to
whatever obltquy I may for the moment be subject-
ed—convinced, that sooner or later my motives and
principles, the objects which I have in view, and the
measures which I recommend, will be duly appre-
ciated. It is my anxious desire, that we could im-
mediately enter upon the consideration of this ques-
tion ; but I doubt it is impossible to do so in the
present sessicn. I trust, however, it will be con-
sidered early in the nest session, with a view to
put an end to the political disabilities of all desca
tions of Dissenters from the Established en
as far as is consistent with the safety of the Cos-.
stitution. There is not a man in the kingdom who
is a greater friend to the Protestant Establishment,
than he who now addresses you ; but the more I
.consider this question, the less value I have for some
of the securities about which so much has been said
on former occasions. The best security tor the
Protestant establishment, as well as for the empire at
large, is to put an end to those animosities and dis-
cords which have been, and are, such a source of
national weakness, ata time when we have so much
occasion for our utmost strength. Any reasonable
security, however, I should vote for ; but I trust
this measure will not be clogged with limitations and
conditions that may serve to render it altogether
nugatory, or in a great degree defeat its object, and
prevent the good effects which mast otherwise se-
suit Goat its adoption. (Hear, bear.) I again con-
gratulate the House, and the country, on the brighter
prospect of a final and satisfactory adjustment of this
great and important question ; and have only to re-
peat, that the intended resolution shall have my cor-
dial and zealous support.
Earl STANHOPE observed, that he would, in two
days, fix a day for the second reading of the Dissen-
ters' Bill. He wished the second reading to be post-
, pond till after the discussion of the Noble Marquis's
Resolution. But he trusted, that eve.t those wh,
resisted the granting of political power to the Ca-
tholics, would not support persecution.
The Duke of NORFOLK expressed his regret
that it was not intended immediately to take the
subject of the Catholic claim into consideration ; and
saia, that when the Resolution came to be discussed,
he should urge the necessity of applying themselves,
without delay, to the consideration of the laws against
the Catholics, especially after the manner in which
the subject had been treated at the Aggregate Meet-
ing of the Irish Catholics.
Earl DARNLEY said, he would support the re-
solution ; and asked the Noble Lord behind him
(Grosvenor) whether he intended to bring forward
his motion on the State of the Nation ?
Earl GROSVENOR replied, that under the pre-
sent circumstances, he did not think it necessary to
persevere in his intention to submit that motion to
the House.
Wednesday se'nnight was then fixed for bringing
forward the resolution ; and the Lords were ordered
to be summoned for that day.
The House then went into a committee on the
Curates' Bill, where it underwent considerable dis-
cussion.—Adjourned.

- MAIL 'COACH mamma DILL.
On the motion that the Report be taken into fanher
denial,
Mr. BA.NICES proposed an amendment, pottponiag kIN
three months.
A lung conversation then took place; in the coarse ti Aid
Sir FItAtICIS BVISDATT expressed a wish that 'Wien, ak,
wanted to transmit money to their friends, should be
Hocurtynig a duty; and the 13111waa tappet ted by Mr. W. Dtb
DASv Mr. Rosa, 1. ord A. HAMILTON,_ and Mr. Wairssui •
and onibeed 1.1 Sir C. BORA CLL, Sir G. Cutter, Mr. WO,:
.TAILIST, Mr V•NSI , and Mr. G. Riau trout, lb
called it a Scotch jamb.
Lord BlNlsil Nti replied; alts which the House dividedoil
there appeared,
Poe the Bill, t7—Against it, Sb—Majority, 3.
HECAL or THE ORDLES IN cout:cu..
Mr. BROUGHAM said, that having telt moth.
derable anxiety with regard to the course whisk k
was the intention of Ministers to pursue on think.
jtct, it was peculiarly gratifying to him to leant&
an Order had that day been issued by the Prim
Regent in Council, which, if he might be allowed*
to speak, was vie' hotly and in every way satistartorT
to himself, and to his ti icr.ds who entertained a eat.
L r oj.inion with himself. It was on this accons,ie
ncw rose to move, that the Order of theDayht
calling over the House. which :trod for Thee*
next, be discharged. He bete wished to tires his
sense of the very proper, frank,- and manly main
of his Majesty's Government in recalling these Or.
ders, without attaching any conditions to the smell
that were likely to frustrate its effects. (Nor, km.)
To say. more might be unnecessary, but to humid
less would ha unfair towards his Majesty's Gown.
ment. Ape Member of that House, as me of is
country,. and behalf of the mantillas,* ad
commercial interests, he now thanked theta fir tie
frank and manly conduct which they bad pwisid.
( Hui-, Itear.)... Nothing was farther from lit raw
;ion than the idea of indulging any think likes Ms
taken. triumph on the present occasion; and if slam
obaervation which best came from-his side 'et al
Doane that when a Government got emengielfes
, miles Of measures, of the policy of whit:Came tif
themselves were not convinced, be wits pmeald,
that the fear of an ill-judged triumph on diapend
their US/1)14 opponents, sometimes operated mans.
eon for their not retracing their step:- lie tied
. that the present repeal would have the Art efsa
. storing the trade and manufactures of the c=
.that the, measure would produce a peeper
tory effect on the American Councils, and weldis
met by that Government with a corresponding do
position. .On this subject be entertained no dolt;
but if the case should be otherwise, he was theim
man in the country who would say that weaver
ment ought not to be supported.—(Hear, kar)-81
trusted that the negotiations on trot between ditto
countries, would now proceed under the 1044
vourable auspices.
Lord CASTLEREAGH declared, that kola
always afford himself and his colleagues thereat
gratification, to learn, that Government bad bee:
able to conduct itself in a way that was satisfacterl
to Gentlemen opposite, and also he trusted toil
country at large. (Hear.) He felt obliged to&
Honourable and Learned Gentleman, foe die*:
some terms in which be had expressed hinuniftell
at the same time, must be allowed to add,
measure as now adopted, was nut entirely t
the mode in which it was originally intended to
af
rate. A conditional suspension of the Orders it
Council, certainly was at first thought of ; but a
was stated (tom most respectable quartz:Ll
House, that the word is suspension" was
found in any of the restrictive laws of Americo. a
that the obligation on her, to repeal her
Non-Intercourse, might not be round so
less a revocation took place, Government
that the decision of America ought not to be
matter of risk, and therefore at once recallei
Orders in Council. (Hear, hear.) Still, inane I
the measure might be called a suspensions I
as, it would re main in the power oftbis ofilliel
resume the Orders, provided the America* CO'
napntithought proper to retract its declared.*
thib same time, in the spirit of conciliation,
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. ..1 •inent had thought proper togive theieralll's
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
• • tive operation, to take date from th rrigisd
The Militia Subaltern's Btu, the Militia Adjutant's Bit;, lint r= the French decree of recall was int. f
Land-Tax Deeds' Bill, and the Scotch Excise Superannuation . w them.
Bill, were read a third time and passed.
The Report of the Debtors' Relief Bill was taken into conside- '11'; product
I'm ration. i happily announced, was calculated to
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Mr. LUSHINGTON brought up the Report if the Salt Bill. I most salutary effect. Government, it sPllum_
Mr. W tfARTON obtained leave to bring in a Bill for better. hire, had acted with the greatest pit friety awl
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ing the dudes on Malt.
The House went into a Committee on the Loan Bill. Report
senp,was infinitelynseit!f9r,a
lib
to be receive I to-man-ow.
A new writ was ordered for Bristol, btbe room of the West, end anconditionas the
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Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster.
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A new writ was ordered for Colchester, in the room of Ridiarel gations which the country owed to the I ii 6
HaTreheDpastiiresce,
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to be committed to4uotrow. throughout the
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