Star.
London, England, 1805-06-15 00:00:00

If t of Indephity, Rating all the fats of the cafe,
be agreeable to the Houfe, I would approve of that'
courfe." Mr. Grey then read a Refolution, Rating
the loan of 40,0001. to the Houfe of Boyd and Ben-
Leh) in the year t Ig6, with the content of Mr. Pitt,
to atilt that houfe tinder peculiar circurnOances, that
the H.,..fe arprovol of Mr. Pitt's concluft upon the
net-anon, &c. andthar a Bill of Indemnity fhould be
pat Ted, reciting (itch Refolution as its Preamble.—
[There was a ltrong exprelTion of dirdpplobation
againti this proirofal, and Mr. Grey did not prefb it.]
Mr. THORNTON laid, that the houfe of Boyd,
betides be;rig engaged in earenfive mercantile con-
cerns, was at the time of the loan of 40,0001. agents
to the late Imperial loan, and ally to the Imperial
loan then in cootie of payment to the amount of up-
wards too,oool. The cafe was not therefore dan.
gerous, on account of precedent, for there was little
probability of a mercantile houfe being placed in a
like lituation again. He then entered into an expla.
velem of part of his evidence before the Seidl Gom-
uti.tee, and concluded with obferving. that it was
not fur prifing if Mr. Rnikes's communication did not
make a deep impretlion upon Mr. Pitt's mind, as he
and three other Direftnrs of the Bank, then in the
Houfe, to whom Mr. Itaikes laid he mentioned the
eircumßanceirladnot any recolleflion of it. It muR
of ensure, Ire prefumed, have been mentioned in a
fli the way, and n' tas a very ferions charge.
The Honourable AUGUSTUS DlLLONthought
there VAS very little difference between the two Refer-
lotions, and fhnold agree with that of the Right Ho.
nouraide Gcntl.:man on that fide of the I-7 rufe (Mr.
H. Larcelle,),if f. Bowed up with a Bill of Indemnity.
Mr. CANNING arofe and Paid, that the Houfe
having entered into the difcalion, there were two
points upon which they ought to come to a decilion,
before they parted. The one was to charafterife the
AR, and the other to provide that it (hall not be
drawn into precedent. He thought if the Houfe de-
parted a fingl• liair's•tireadth from the Refolution of
the Honeurahle Gentleman behind him (Mr. Lat.
cellos), they would give tip the former of the two.
Mr. WINDHAM was not fully prepared to fay
wh;ther the cnndurft of the Right Hon. Gentleman
(M-. Pitt) were right or wrong. At prefent the in-
clination of his mind was that the aft was wrong,
and that the plea of neceffity was not fufficiently
made nut—(Loud nughing). Had the cafe Rated
been made ont at the time of the loan, he would not
have concurred in it I but he would not fay that he
Mould have acquitfced in not leaving any record of
the proceeding. Although a Member of Admini-
firearm at the time, he was perfeftly ignorant of any
flitch tranfattion. and not being fully in poffeflion of
its merits or demerits, he fbnuld recommend that a
Bill of Indemnity be brought in, without any farther
dikoilion of them.

The ATTORNEY GENERAL Paid it was due
not only to Mr. Pitt, but alto to the conßitutional
jealoufy of the Knife, which the Gentlemen on the
other fide writhed to uphold, to fpecify the charaaer
of the 10. The mode propofed by his Right Hon.
Friend (Mr. Canning) was, in his opinion, lefs liable
to lead to precedent than that of the Hon. Gentle-
man ( \lr. H. Larcelles), which Rates the illegality,
but ex plat s no difappiobation ; thus leaving the pre-
cedent acknowledged, without marking it as an irre-
gularity. He admitted the candour of the Gentle-
awn cppofite (Mr. Fox,) but if that candour were
to depitve his Right Honourable Friend (Mr. Pitt) of
his jull;Rcation, it would be converting candour into
a more formidable weapon of hollility than the moR
violent orpolition. His Friend, however, was not
to be deprived of his defence and protalion by their
moderation and candour. His cafe, he thought, was
fair, honourable, and fully juilified.
Mr. FOX, in anfwer, thought the imputation upon
his candour was ill timed. He never Paid that the
AEI was potitively right. He only admitted that,
thatopph wrong, it might have been done with a good
intent.

The ATTORNEY GENERAL, in reply, ob-
fetved, that the candour of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
Fos) would have the eft& of hoftility t but he had
not charged the Hon. Gentleman with meaning it
Mould have that operation._

Mr. WILLIANi SMITH arofe, amidll a loud cry
for the queftion. He conlidered the evidence in jut.-
tification of Mr. Pitt defeaive, as it did not Ihew that
the houfe of Boyd had attempted to fell out their
Scrip in /mall portions, which might have been done
without depreciating the article, and alto beeaufe
Mr. Pitt was content with the mere word of Mr. Boyd,
and made no inquiry into the necellity of the cafe.
M►. H. LASCELLES Paid, as the fenfe of the
Houfe timed to be in favour of a Bill of Indemni•
ty, he had nn oblation to Inch a courfe. He then
read his refolution, which he propofed as the preamble
of fuck Bill, with the propofed amendment of Lord
Caftlereagh, Hating that the aft, though not con-
formable with law, and, as fuch, not to be drawn in-
to precedent, was jullificd by the peculiar exigencies I
of the times.

Mr. WILBERFORCE approved of the Bill of
Indemnity as icclifpenfthly neceiTary. An indemnity,
however, implies a jollification of the ad, and there-
fore he objefled to the words 4' not to be dtaws into
precedent," forming a part of the preamble, as they
would go to tie up the hands of future Miniflers from
d“irg that which, though not Brialy legal, eircum-
Dances might require.
The MASTER of the ROLLS Paid, if the Houfe
thought the A& jullifiable, it was wrong to fay it
timid not be drawn into precedent; and if it were
not
,jtiftifiable, it ought to be marked with eenfure.
A Bill of Indemnity, in the prefent cafe, be conceiv-
ed to be a maim- of indifference, if not a work of fu-
pererngation.
Lord CASTLEREAGH did not think that the
words " not to be drawn into precedent," would
operate as a reitrielion upon future Minillers. He
approved of the resolution of Mr. Lafcelles, with a
Dill of Indemnity.
Mr. BOND approved of the revolution of Mr. Laf.
with a Bill nf Indemnity.
The Hon. C. HUTCHINSON more, but the
demand for the quellion, for fame time loud, now
fo much increafed as to prevent his progrefs.—
At length, railing his voice very high, he raid—
!' I will go on (loud eagbiryJ ; if Gentlemen think
tilt kill put me down in this way, they do not
know the individual whom they attack. No Gen-
tleman, in or nut of this Houfe, thall treat me in
a manner I do not deferve—(lord tatriiing.) if I
ssp diforderly, let aay Grntleman atife, and Chew me

in what reps& Tam to." The Honourable Member'
then proceeded to Rate, that the refolution of Mr.
Lafcelles implied a (Irons approbation of the all ;
whereas, he thought, that the condo& of Mr. Pitt,
in not difelofing it immediately, ought not to go
duwii with applaufe ; and therefore he Ihould fupport
the original motion.
Mr. WHITBREAD, in reply, alluded to what
had fallen from the Attorney General, who diniked
candour and hated mercy, on the candid end mode-
rare fpeech of his Honourable Friend (Mr. Fos), and
on the Refolution expelled by another Right Ho-
nourable Gentleman (Mr. Canning), not to yield an
inch, while Gentlemen on that fide of the Houk
were willing to yield fo far. The Noble Lord, too,
who had feemed fo confciuus of die fpitit of mode-
ration difplayed qn that fide of the Houk, and
who, under that imprelnon propofed a few words
which he thought would be acceptable to them,
had repented of his condefcenfion and withdrawn
his Amendment. They did not with, he prefnme.l,
that any thing like agreement fhould teem to pre-
vail ; or they were probably afraid that he and his
friends, from finding themfelves fo often in a majo-
rity. thould grow too flinty, and therefore wilhed
to drive them to a divifion on a queßion in which
they would be left in a great minority. He Iliould
not, however, decline what he thought his duty
from any conlideration of the kind. He bad aged
with his fiiends near him when very few in number,
and they had, on every occalion where tkeir duty re-
quired it, oppofed the Right Hon. Gentleman. In
vie comic of that oppofition, he had found that Ready
adherence to principle and to the intereßs of the coon-
, try would in time command faeces. He mull, there-
' fore, as Right Hon. Gentlemen would not allow him
to agree with them, infill on his own motion. He
was happy, however, at all events, in thinking that
his agitating the quellion would have the tire& of get-
ting a Bill of Indemoity introduced.
The queßion being then univerfally called for, the
gallery was cleared, and lirangers not readmitted.
We nnderftand, however, that the Amendment which
WAS propofed by Mr. H. Lafcelles, was with Come
modification agreed to. The Hon. Member then
moved and obtained leave to bring in a Bill of Indem-
nity for the tranfateion.—Adjourned at one o'clock.

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precedent,"
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d..irg that 1
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