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EDINBURGH AND LEITH WATER WORKS.
Mr. H. DRUMMOND brought the Report of this sin.
Mr. SYE RS moved that the 13111 should be recommitted.
After a few words from Mr. Alderman SsuTu, Mr. klaatoat."
axses. Mr. W. Gounou, Sir G. Curse, Sir R. Famousott, Mr.
J. Serest, 71r. 111. A. TAYLOti and. the Seratta,
Mr. SYKES consented to withdraw his motion. and the Report
was received, and the ROI reed a third time, and passed.
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MESSAGE FROM HIS ttAJESTY.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHF.QUER brought no
va
Message (tomb's Majemy, which was read by the Speaker.
Message stated that since P.trliament bad made provision for lei
Royal Highness-the Duchess of Kent, and his Royal Highness the
Duke of Cumberland, Princess Akzandrtna Victoria. daughter of
her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent, and Prince George
Frederick Alezander Charles -Ernest Augustus, sop
of the Duke
of Cumberland. bad been ben • and had attained an age Pt which
it was proper that an adequate provision should be made for their
honourable support and education. His Majesty being desirous of
granting an annuity to her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent.
pad his Royal Highness the Duke of Cumberland, for th it purpose.
recommended the coralderation of this subject to the llouse.• and
relied upon the attachment of his faithful Commons to adopt such,
measures as might he suitable to the occasion.
On the motion of the .Cil AN CB t .OR of the EXCHEQUER,
his Majesty's Message was ordered to be taken into consideration

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CoMBINATIntt LAWS.
Mr. MINIX presented a Petition from the Coachmakees of
Dublin, against the re-enactment of the Combination Laws.
Mr. J. WYLLTAMS presented a similar Petition from the Ope-
rative Sawyers of Iftutelsester.—Ordered to lie on the table.
setmot• TIIIIIRRT.
Mr. M A XWELL presented a Petition from certain roprie-
-
tors of Mills in the county of Renfrew. against the Salmon Fish
eries M.—Ordered to Us on the table.
PFTITIntt OW BERNARD Cot Lt.
Mr, J. SMITH presented a Petition from Bernard
Cone, of the City of Dublin, complaining of the op-
pression to which be bad been subjected, and of the sufferings he
had ethlured in the gaol of Armagh, to which be had been com-
mitted twEnty yeani ago. as a reputed papist. The Ilouourable
Member said he would not vouch foe the accuracy of every part
of the statements in this Petition. but be had rusoe to believe that
there was woods foundadon for the Petitioners' complaints. He
tbougld his etr eminently entitled to the attention of that Hone.
Mr. GOULBURN said, when the case Of this Peti-
tioner war first mentioned to him, he had never even
heard of his name. He had since takm An opportunity
of investigating the ground 61 his complaints. The
House should remember that there was no transude° referred to
is thit Petition subsequent to 11106, and it less thirty years dote
the occurrence of the first transaction, of which the Petitioner
complained. With respect to the complaint founded on the cons.
mittal of the Petitioner to gaol, against the Magistrates. it was
open to him to opply to the Courts of Law,and he freely admitted,
that if the facts stated in the Petition wets true, the conduct of
thole concerned could not be too stronglyreprobated ; but he pro-
tested against this appeal to the House of Comnsons against public
ollkets, because this was not the proper tribunal, and particularly
after such a lave of time.
Mr. ABERCROMBY said, it had been his lot to
have had occasion to refer to such histories as could be
found, containing the subject of Mr. Coile's complaint,
and the impression left upon his mind was this—that
be bad never heard of any man more grossly oppressed,
or cruelly
_treated, than this Petitioner— (Cheers).—
Making an due allowance far the violence of the times. and the
exaggerations on both sides, he had melte for some one fact that
could torn the scale. and be would state what the fact was that
had formed his judgment. What he referred to was the prawn-
don instituted against the Magistrate, Mr. Overt; dad When be
foisnd this Oentlensaa, Mr. Cone, in these Watablesinne tinses. and
with such inanite hazard to himself, bad petseeouttrd this Magis-
'trate. and obtained a eonviction, all whets be found that the Gls,
vernineat of the day bad interfered betweee the Magistrate Bed
the execution of the sentence of the Coert,-be visas disposed d
think that a great deal of what Mr: Cabe stated was too hues—
(llear). He had never seen Mr. Cone. He bad, on the crintiney,
-„abstaiaed,ftent easing him; bet the result of Me opinion was, that
Mr. COW might be a man pot of soiled judgment. hut that be bad
been moat cruelly Oppressed—(lrear, hear).
Mr. Stitetary PEEL said he had no painted knowledge of the
facts It the . ease, bat the Most should streatt, that ease pew
ego, *tea so 'Again Was iustkoted. an **faits is the-bibles
wsre ilisproveg,
• Mr-.1-C. trutemwsoN could not see what objec.
tion tit Right lion. Gentleman could have to allow
the
th I .
tec
tto Le fur thin. investigated. All the Works:
erLic id been published relative to the period in
Incitlion, agreed itdescribing the treatment tit Ur. Coil! as meta
unwarrantable. wo facts stated in the Petition the Right Hero
dentittnan bad set *brigand. One was, thst in 1706. Mr. Code
was imprisoned lac 194 days* awl thee disabareed Without trial.;
and ties otiose, that ho was, subsequently to 11103, conteed (or twos
years and a half, and afterwards dissitiseed without his ease belay
inqUiridiato.—;.The reddest was then read.
but ateition that the Petitiod be laid oa the table. i
Mr.S.SMITH aclusewledgeld the candour and (abases with
which the Right Hon. .Secretary akin the question, but pressed for
a forther
_engeiryinto she PeddsmaN comOdat.
%ft: MASSEY DAWSON preeenced a Petition front the Soft
gait OF ll Jall.prayieg to be relieved boat the oath which in thati
oirodaybe wasiabiteed to tab*.
watt
Lard BELGRAVR presented a Petitine from Chester, in fa-
vour of the Rqatiptitirrknato Animals.
Mr . J. BIEN4Sit reet
a tbo Newry in the
West. ladies.
hit. GQIILBURN presented a Petition front the Sanaa&
totem of Ditka,, ring $ tevisktit of the present Chasidim.
ties Laws.
Mr: HOBHOXISE warred for a return of the Re-
cords for Trial in the Courts of King's Bench, Cent-
mon Pleas, and Exchequer, before and after Tenn, In
the years 1821, 2t'3, and $4. . Also the number of
Records tried in the same period, specifying whether.
the verdicts were for plaintiffs or defendants. Also a
list of the Number of Mon is the Gift of the Lord High Chancel•
inr, with the Dames of the Persons fining the same. Also a return
of the several Plane in the Gift of the Chief Justices of the
Rives Bench and Common Pleas. the Chief lkroa, and the
Poises Jedges, with the- Dames of the persons filling she same.--
A Message from the Lords announced their Lordships' assent to
several Private and Public Bibs amino:importance.
gagacit Of PRIV 114611.
, Swam Paßl. stowed the =dm of the Day that bit.
at is Peer Trench Pilkiagtaa ahead be brought to the Bar.
T'ae Ilerjeant at Arms blviaraggeandat the Bar with Mr. Pil-
kiagton la custody.
Tire SPEAKER said, " Robert le Poer Trench Pd.
kirigton you have been examined before a Select Com-
mittee of this Hou,e, which has reported that you haver
confessed yourself the author of a Petition purportini
to came from the Protestants of Ballinasloe, in Irelancf,,
and the' Committee bin in somporsenee adjudged that yea have
been guilty of a high breach of the blintzes of this Monee. Inn
Imam ailed m the Bar Wm you may oar an, eapienasion of
yoor cooduo.whlch you shall deem calculated to *dose the fitt"?'
resolution of the House respecting ow!'
Mr. PILIWOTON addressed the Choir in seply, and
confessed himselt guilty of a vety foolish and rash act;
but although be row *new he had done wrong, he never
contemplated the te4St breach of pritilrgn ter. disrespect
by preparing or having priaitntird the P.elitinn in vies-
don He Merck'', begged to sttlmih4caseJlehtirlY
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would pruhabily-be induced with hi n (Mr. Peel) to treat
Mr. Pi kington lerith any indtatence 'tomPatible with
.the-pieserration their Wail rights and digmly, sad
the good of the public. lie did not Wish, however,
that this indulgence should bt steal as to be drawn
into a precedent hereafter in similar easel. He ;Mr.
Pilkington), howetei, had ebtfeited himself the rote
author of the Petition, and had thus very properly
exonerated all others from any participation in the act,
AS well as expressed before the Committee the utmost
contrition for his conduct. No one, at the same time,
could be more sensible than be (Mr. Peel) of the danger
of allowing such practices to pass with impunity, and
particularly as regarded Ireland. Here anything of
the kind, from the comparative proximity of the quarter wherever
it proceeded, would be immediately detected ; but a spurious Pe-
tition from Irelandatilgist be absolutely under the discussion of Par-
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liament borate Intimation was had of its charaiter. In this instance,
he wished, froth all the circumstances, that as much lenity should
I be shewn as was consistent with the preservation of their privileges ;
and if the House concurred in that opinion, he should move, as a
sufficient punishment, that Mr. Pilkington be detained in the cus-
tody of the Serjeant at Arms till to-morrow, or perhaps the better
time would be Monday nesp—CHear).
Sir JOHN NEWPORT.rose to second the motion,
and trusted the House leould accede to it. Nothing
could be more explicit'than Mr. Pilkington's acknow.
leaAment of his error before the Committee.. It was
also. most important that he confessed hiniself to be the
sole author of the Petition, as he thus acquitted a large
proportion of persons who might have been suspected
of getting it up to forward their own claims, at the time
under the consideration of the House. Mr. Pilkington,
however, was himself a Protestant, and aU his con-
nexions were: Protestants. so that no iropatation now
vested on the Roman Catholics. For himself he should
take it as a personal favour If the Hoe*, Meng marked its repro-
bation of the act, would, loth for the candid and fair manner in
which the individual avowed his conduct, and the delicate state of
his health, remit, as far as possible, any -Anther punishment.
Mr. BROUGHAM agreed in all that had been said
to this subject, and only rose to a point of form. The
ilractice of this House differed in cases of committals
from that of the other House; where their Lordship: im•
VlSMiad Ss express periods of time, somettmes a week, sometime:
two or three months. The practice of this House, on the contrary,
was to commit to custody till further orders, and he wished the
present not to be an exception to the rule.
Mr. Secretary PICIL In compliance with• the fotm just men-
tioned, should merely give notice that on Monday—(W4 of to.
morrow, tognorrove)r—he should move that Mr. Filkingtsa be
brought to the bar and discharged—(Hear).
Mr. V. FITZGERALD ebacurred in all that hid fallen ftoin
his Right Honourable Friend the Setritaty ter the Pfonse
Depart-
ment en this subject, and also In this sentiMenta 6f the Right Htin.
Member for Waterford.

sISRRA LION!. • .
Mr. WILMOT-HORTON Wished Merely tO lay One
word relative Co a motion of the Hotiotirible Member
for Montrose (Mr. Hume) which it was understood
would immediately come forward. As the object of
the returns which the Hpumirable Mtihtrti intended to
move, was to obtain infortnation relative to the colony
of Sierra Leone, it would perhaps save trouble to men•
don, that so far as practitable they should be complied
with, and that his Majesty's Government *bte about td
send ent a Cotanission to ifwesdgste mat of die asintinsto *id&
the returns referred, be sinsuld ally State, that he tilt Madan Sisi
lot isfornsatien, he dotal the oaths wdoll not be ditidaid ell
Hon. Members were in pasintaina et fats to Aide their *What.
!fr. HUME old, be Asada pent in Ms Medea, is the %Allen
fee which he moat to move *ere Octant, to abew the antra
elate establishment it Metra Vane, With *leek the Pettit ehlin
nal little acquainted; oil dui of the milkier* of thenbllnt fat
Milk that colony
_was foe.
MP WILMOT-HORTON waived his Obleetion te &ethane
Ise et the papers, May of Which, be observed, each sat bit
Mr.hir. HUME then rounded to move for a series of
Returns, to thew the number of the Nova Scotia Black'
removed to Sieves Lease, and the evolves attendant
thereon • the numbers of recaptured negroes sent into
Sores. Leone, and the =ashen now nembing k thy ezports and
intputts of the Oslo % and do a temp Of tan inalba, deftly, aid
isternageo. Also a patens of the *Pam ef &net on *t Canal
awes at Bahia and
Me. WILMOTHOIIitsgr said, u them were doubts oxhide'
as to attain fats, so inqpiry was certainly accessary.
Mr. !MUG/Uhl deprecated any hasty conclusion
*that the expenses of Sierra Leone were unreasodable,
became they might happen to be large. He was pre-
pared for a large expense, but then the House would
recollect it was not voluntary, for use were bound to
reformthe Slave wide, and there must be addle place
to width the recaptured modes !odd be slat. Me livid, heet
ever, tb sloe beget mode son adipted ; hag rho glinting* pls.
=a lo of Idayd, be felt quite assurahlun sap number
boss seat. th sold b
ea
e 1
that itliod—WOO soirees bad already
gram Ameries.
After &bywords from me C. INDS" the maim Wir owed to.
Mr. Secretary CANS2I46 laid en the able a Correspondent,
with the Wand Departmeat tidal** to the andistrithe el sOt
MOM Popiladorim
11111110POLITAN oldillitArt.
Mr. BROUGHAM row to sake the motion of *hi&
he had given notice, for leave to bring ta a BM for in-
corporating cattalo persons for the porpost of erectiag
a University in, or near the City of London. The
object of the Blt was to enable the persona who could
rat abed to send their children so a. diseases to give
them an opportuaity of obtaining good edeeetios, free
from that objection; and so far from the pmjett being
Intended as any charge against our present venerable
establishments, many of the sepporters of this p$
were distinguished Members of both Universities.
Ms. Secretary Pliglpsald,ao it was suelooneosieda._
Ise no discussion in this stage al the asessorbe eve
serve, that he reserved to himself the right obi;ctirThl tTsia Ilk
south' stage, if be slsould abatis.
Mr. BROOM Allies* hasheobt be analishel it tbsbervissel
to be any objections to the measure,*lnne alipseiset wog Paihnkit I
a scientific oduestialiousestabii by those who sold net And to '
give AIM or AMID appear far Ik.
After a few words of e9bnailla from Mr. Paap,leare station
to bring.* thi Mli,
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OV 1II&AVD•
Mr. SPRING RICE said, that in orating the motion,
of which be bad given notice, he should endeavor :to
'avoid every topic of irritation, or saying one word
"'which could add to the disappointment which was al-
-1 ready experienced in Ireland. The condition of Ire-
land was understood to be the chief object of interest
'during the Session; but-after all the expectation which
:had been raised, what act of. the House had been per-
' formed in discharge of the great trust reposed in thee.?
IThere was one act, that for the relief of the Catholics.
The Catholic Association had been legislated against,
'andbad been utterly extinguished. He, for one, never
•wished to see the continuance of that Association ; he
wished, to see it put down, by removing the cattiest
made that Association dangerous. Tlw Catholics
1y obeyed the law, but gave it an enlargodkiarik
'auction. They did so because they were fun at hero;
• knew there were inquiries going on before Plug
ut, and they "%ought the justice of. Variational'
render chit, or fifty Astaciatiost. unneessel
NOt a single person employed by the Cathollel
lad been examined and ere s-exanined: Mr.
melt had been examined as to their political
and Dt. Doylc its Lo their 'religion, faith. ltom

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'the tone which had bee* adopted. there we: not a s:nglr
Catholic 'in the kingdom but es
peaed that their condi-
tion would be bettered before the end of the Session. But what had taken plate f This Bill, for the seeend
time placed in the handi the Lord Chancellor of
Inglend—this Bill, which came recommended by a
greater number of Metnbets of the House who had for-
, merly taken other views of the-sullieet, and by greater
numbers of the Protestant interest In Ireland, had been
again rejected by the- If suie of Lords. He was not
out of order in this reference; he did not, at the outset,
declare the proceedings of the H .use of Lords non-
sense and tradt, bus he had a right to refer to that de-
' ci,ion of the House of Lords, which placed the two
Houses of Parliament In collision on a subject—not
like the Silk B!11 (a mere matter of trading regula-
tion), but which the House of Commons thought or
vital importance to the interests of the Empire; and
which Bill, by the decision of the House of. Lords,
they declared inconsistent with the safety of the
Empire. What, then, would he ask the House to do?—
Why, to strengthen their case, and for that purpose
be thought nothing would be more effectual than the
evidence of the King's Deputy in Ireland (Lard
Wellesley). It might be asked what ground he had
for supposing Lord Wellesley, in his correspondence,
had given an opinion on the subject? Of this he of
course knew nothing; but it was impossible, inter-
mixed as- the Catholic Question was uith every topic
relative to Ireland, that Lord Wellesley should not
have corresponded on it. But if it were said that
there'was no such cortespondence, he would ask
then, if the public service would admit of it, that
' Lord -Wellesley should come over and be examined
att the Bar of the House. The House must be aware
that there were declarations and opinions afloat, which
if .canied to their legitimate length would justify the
Government in coming down and re-enacting the Penal
Laws. He would not say that the disappointment of
the Catholics in Ireland would lead to disturbance. He
hoped and trusted that would not be the case ; but no
than could say, whilst grievances existed, that such a
saiseortune might not be expected. The Hon. Member
for -Somersetshire had such reliance on their loyalty,
that he thought whatever might be denied them, the
'Catholics might still be relied upon. But it should
be recollected, that at least two-thirds of the Irish
Members were favourable to the measure of relief,
and he could safely legume the same of the Irish
Peerage. This *Odd lead the people of Ireland to
Witte, that the Imperial Parliament denied them that
width would he gtanted by a local legislature,
and thus they would be brought to think that the
toaneetion With this eciuntry was an evil. The
House ought not to deceive itself by paying often-
thin to those Petitions whith had been presented to
Fprliament containing different sentiments, nor by any
these base arts which had been resorted to for the
!knout of misleading the publiea-(Heer). The same
hand *hieh chalked upon the walls " No Popery," had
also put there "No King," and " Hunt for Ever." A
.publication had issued from the PIM. under the sanc-
tion of an obscure boOkseller of the name of Benbow—
a man who had formerly been indicted for sedition.
The Purport of this work wait to pa forth a speech
pretended to have been delivered by an illustrious per-
tin in another place; and to this speech was subjoined
.a statement of a most inflammatory nature. This, if
sent over to Ireland, /would be certainly productive
of the nietst dadgeretas effects in the minds of the
people of that country. Yet he knew a person of high
Station In this country—one of the,Feers, had sent OM
a vast number for disttibuticin. No one, he was wig,
would be less pleased than the illustrious individual
said to have delivered the speech; with this mode of
acquiring his favour. For his own part he greatly mis-
trusted the Clamour raised out of doors upon subjects
of this kind. In•the year 1720, the Gbvernteent of this
country were 'in .great alone on the subject of the
Plague then raging at Marseilles land pensed:al mea-
sure Was introduced in the lame way as a remedial
measure had been brought forward on the present oc-
casion with reference to the Cation& The object of
this measute, brotight id in the 'fth year of-detnge the
rust, Lord Hardwick, observed, was eo prevent the
spreadingof the pla4uff and there was considerable ap-
prelsonsioa it the minds of all classes on the subject;
yet were *eau foetid to raise a clamour amongst the
ignorant, and teies of No Bernick Hogpttal-sno
red toot-mints," were heard' againit it in the
The Bill, in con:eve:tee of this interference of the psi,
Pulace; was-actually last. But a more signal
of the tea!b.whicit he wished to enfoiee was to be found
its the eisatusse taiga against the Jew Bill. The argue
ments again* thee Bill were partieelarly *nubby of did
attention of those ISontiemon who hid optic/led the late
Oatisolit Belief Bill; and kopromised them they would
find that ail the arguments. lately' Dosed by them had
nothing!** to recommend them. A Petitt)sn from the
city of-Loadol was pre!ented. against this Jew Bill, do-
elating shatitthe Bill passed into a law dishonour woad
be brought upon Christiansty, it *mold eadanger•chir
happy Coastitatiou its Chards and State, and injure the
rude of the country. As to the.latter, danger apprsh
handed to the trade of the country, he believed the
Chancellor of the- Eatehoquer for the tined being would
have found no inconvenience froM the admission of the
Jews. Oat of the popular addresses of that day ended
thus :-0 Awake, therefore, my brotherChristilial and
rsotestants—.it is not Hannibal at your gates but the-
Jews coming totake the keys of your Church"-4/..augh-
ter). This was the date of the public mind out of doors.
'ln Parliament sinsiltr arguments were used. In 1755,
Fa West Country Gentleman, Sir R. Higham, represented
that this Bill would admit the Jews to vote for Members
of Parliament ; that they would soon have seats in the
House, and possessing themselves of all the estates'
of the kingdom by being the highest bidders, divide
Abe spoils amongst the twelve tribes--(Larrghter).—
'The Member for the City of London had displayed a
considerable knowledge of theology upon the occasion.
He declared that the Jews of the present day were the
offspring of those Jews who crucified our SAVIOUR,
and the curse still hung upon the race. So was it
argued against the late Bill—" The Catholics of this
day are the sons of those who burnt your furefathers in.
Smithfield, therefore you should exclude them from
power in the State"—(Hear, hear). There was as much
vial sense and charity in the ate as the other. One
of the papers of that day notified that a' mail from
derualenv had come to hand, with the following parti-
culars :—.4 Twenty-five. children were publicly circuit-
Lase t yesterday.itt the Lying-in L-at night
the Christians' hfateralisation Bill was thrown out, ate,
a stormy debate in the tanhedticts"—(A laugh). There
was no power which the Parliament could grant to the
Catholics-which could, under any circumstances, be so
Canopus as that whith the Parliament created in their
favour by their' system of exclusions—(heer, hear).

It was their grieflinces; and ht_ ei n.ilev-osra.c }mu.,
which, in an age like the present,' c bold m ke them
powerful. It was the oppressions under which the
Catholics laboured which gave such Gentlemen as Mr.
Spiel, Mr. O'Connell, and Mr. O'Gorman, their haft-
ence over that body. He had no objection to those
Gentlemen, bin he did not wish tOliave such Laitience
or power placed in the hands of any individual!, how,
ever discreet or however enlightened; whit he 'ost-a
to see‘powerlul was the laws, and the laws only.--
Tbe Hon. Member concluded by moving, 1. That an httroisitft.
dress be presented to his Majeity,preilnirtrat he would Ise *earl.
efroomrdetnhethutat House, 0144 pr
tetbreefeit laid
tifetresetb4risthe Marquis Weilisitl
respecting the origin, nature, and extent of the Bailout Anintedt.
to
tre five
ties in Ireland, and best beans of diatribli
Sir T. LETHBRIDGE said, he thought the epinirrs
which he had stated, respecting the lnyalty of the CAthe.:
lies of Ireland, was perfectly consistent with the Vote/
which he had thought it his duty to give, whaqiirir ihsf
question of removing the disabilities of the Cithoiice
had been before the House. He thought the Hon:
Gentleman had gone a little out of the line of Nil &At;
in charging the people of lingithd with eNioistilsg aitiTest Ike 'ha.
sure recently before the House.
Mr. GOULBURN said, the Itinourable Member kir
Limerick had argued the Catholic Question as a ques-
tion purely Irish, and affecting one portion of the ems'
pire only. He (Mr. Goulburn) had always argued it
upon different principles, as involving a great. cO4sti; .
tutional question, and even the existence of the Consti- .
tution itself, as it had teen for the last two hundred
years. He did the people of England the justice to be-
lieve that it was with pain they refused to
.grant the'
Claims of the Catholics. He believed their only groin('
was, that upon which he proceeded, viz. that it was not
safe to grant them. It was not, therefore, fair to say
that the opponents of the Catholics had fallen into the .
same course of opposition as the opponents of the Jew
Bill had done. The Jew Bill was wit the only oceit.
:ion upon which the feelings of the people had called-
opon the Legislature to repeal any Act. In 1780, cod-
cessions were made to the Catholics—(Hear, hear). He
admitted that they were improperly understood, bdt
they had led to the most serious disturbance/. If thii'
,bad been the effect upon that occasion, what might
they not expect when real danger threatened the Church
Establishment, as would be the case were the conces-
sions now sought to be granted. Toe Honourable.
Member was of opinion, that the production of the dis-
patches of Lord Wellesley upon the subject of religious
lanimosities in Ireland, would have the effect of sooth-
ing the irritated feelings which had been excited by the
course pursued by- Patrliiment. Now, in his opinion.
the effect would necessarily be the reverse, for it would
itend to keep alive the irritation. Another ground
-upon which the Honourable Member had asked for
these dispatches was, as a subst tote for the examination
of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. if the Honourable4
Member thought such an examination necessary or
proper, he had better come forward with a niotion to
that effect. He certainly should like to hear the argu-
ments upon which the Honourable Member would jus-
tify a motion for the examination b. fore one of the
Parliamentary Committees, of a character like the Lord
Lieutenant of Ireland, high in the confidence of Go.:
vernment. In his opinion the Honourable Member had
said no grounds at all for his motion. He viewed
rater as a mesas of deliveries opbsioni which he had nut befit"
been able to deliver. He was convinced that the produetion..d.ve :
the papers moved for, would tend to produce those very rem 'o'
which the Honourable Gentleman sought to :Livid. He should/. •
therefore oppose the motion.
Sir J. NEWPORT saii, it was essentially necessary
that the Legislature should be made acquainted with
the opinions of the highly-gifted person who had filled
for so many years the office Of Chief Magistrate of
Ireland, and, he could not repeat it too often, accom.-
plished, with the assistance of the Catholic body, the
difficult task of tranquillizing that fearlully disturbed
country. He (Sir John Newport) rid nqt wish to gO,
as an Honourable Gentleman -opposite had obier ved,
Per 'gnu
Smoothes cleat doloso.
He wished to preserve peace and tranquillity in Ire-
land ; and he thought it above all importanethat they
should be in possession of the Noble Marquis's opinions
upon the best means of effecting that object. He
complained of the tinging of bells which had attended
the celebration of the late victory over the Catholics,
an act of folly which had done more towards pulling
down the Established Chetah th'an all the concessions
thee could ever make to the Roman Catholics. Hi
complained also of the conduct of that Sight Reir.
Prelate who. had argued its another' pike upon a.
speech delivered at the Catholic Board, without having
made hinraif acquainted with the circumstances at-
tendant upon the delivery of that speech, and with t'..e
fact that it was the only one that had ever Seen twice
noticed by the Catbolid Body after its delivery, and by
them twice distinctly reprobated. If the Right Revel,
rend Prelate did not know that fact, he was wrong.*
argue upon a speech, until he was quite clear it ha.
been acknowledged by tbe cube& Body ; if be did kneeritoh,
was guilty, in hie opinion, of a very diiingenuoas artifice, hi makiegt;
use of it as a reptesentadon of the feeling Of that Body towardolahlt.
Protestant Church. The question was not one of willtraihmieg
=, and the ground of the ascendancy of the
was but a repetition end • centinnante of thrower deb,
don which had been invarialtli teddsitsi to by the opisonema of this
Essesuni-ipear,_hear).
Mr.CURTEIS said he had often opposed farther'
concessions to the Catholics, and heliad every reasdn to
be satisfied with his conduct. He had been often as.
trotted-with petidons ht his consdhaents; bewas glad to know dist
his opimions an this subject comespontied odds theirs, aid he fee
that he discharged his duty whilst her tettbe Maar ad
sentiments of those who sent bins the •
Mr. BROWNLOW would support the ribotidil or**
Hon. Member for Limerick, vs he was desirous of oft,
taining all possible information with respect to Leland,
As the opinions of all other classes of men had bent
taken on the state of Ireland, he could site no:m.ll4A-
why that of the individual most competent tO gi!'t
sound opinion, should not also be taken. IfirtlVlbt
Hon. Secretary had said that they kne the opizion•al
the Marquis Wellesley on the Catholic aoestion. Thit
Noble Lord bad by proxy made known his opinioli,
elsewhere. It was a peculiarity with some Irish Lords-
that they spoke one war and voted another, and it=
-might therefore be possible that the Noble Platquiv
might vote one way and write Furthers Ht wished to
judge by his own eyes wbai were the Marquis's. Opt,-
nions, and be did not know
.where to collect the'* aw*
well as from his dispatches. Martinis Wellesley ere,
sponded with the Right Hon. Secretary, who. however:.
instead of agreeing
.with the Noble Lord, concurred
with the Prime Minister, that Catholic Emancipat6e
was not a just and politic Maitatlre, that it ought-. not
I Roy, or neve% to be conceded to Inlaid. 1k bad,
heard this opiniou.with the deepest and unfeigned-Ir..
mat.--(Sonia Member exclaimed, ei It was you! OW;.".)
True:* continend the ties. ,Gentleman, "2it v.as
my own. It was ray own °plaice so long.as I could

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