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PARLI4fMENTARI PRuCEEDINGI


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HO= OF LORDS, MONDAY. MARCH t 7.
Tha ltdripila of BLA ND FORD was introduced, and took the
dada int lia fest as Baron Woradrighton.
ft STIPHINCOT man, as Ckrk of the Ptivy Crinnelt.
prefelald at the Das a C cry gar mann made to the Privy
Condi of tie agree of the Prebends. Redtories. Vicarages. &c.
et latidand and Wake, diftinguilhint aura on which the ReetOrS,'
66 wise ribloil. and thole whkb wore not: Tbefedocumcnts,
WWI WIMIIIIII vaingitnoos, were ordered to lie oo the I abk.
Tie Weir wisidiegtion of the Scots Appeal Cattle. Howie v.l
Marry, pampas. bah* Wonted, Mr Noland wes hither heard,
be reply, on the part of the Appellant. Aft...which,
The LORD CHANCELLOR quieted the woolfack. and feetn.
lig anAgawswil his mind up as to the make of the cdc, made a 1
way w sodelr dome, and concluded by moving their Lord.
Sipa Wi dim din decree of the Scots Court, which was ordered
geosalber.
Oa itia window of Lord ELLISNBOROUGH, the of Mirm of
Ida IstaWn Jodie was ordered to he delivered on the Appeal
Cask Zaodaisv. Crawford. on this day fortnight.
TM grime Bilis upon the table were forwarded to their re.
f ilitaxstine
I among theft. the Marine Mutiny Bill. the Milt
Nbt, the Greenland Ships Quota. and the Com
=lll were formally read a third time and palled, and
wid go sequalot the 041111110n1 therewith.
Lard Caliggivend's Annuity Bill went through a Committee,
god was without amendment.
Tie owslidenfon oldie Appeal Calif.:, Counters of Lin-
able% tie Doke of Newcstle. was, on the motion ~f the LORD
CHANCELLOR,, adjourned till to morrow Cenral/M.
WOLLI/11 MAINUFACTUILIRS SUItINSImi RILL.

Co the remand trading of this Bill,
Lord SPENCER explained to the Houfe the rircumftenees
enacts renderedit neccilary to brig it forward In parLiii; the
NE YE year, of which the prefent was only a revival, ft was fe
limited in Its duration as to make it Incumbent on Parliament to
soaks Woe effort at taking into coafideration the various, 'and, in
(ceac drcainatinces, oppreiLve laws, which bad keen puffed at
Merest times for the regulation of the Ras& manuradure of ale
Wens. Sore cireuniftances had, however, eaten at the com-
a eilesemeest of the Seflon, which made it inconvenient to take
.bat lanportant fubjed into confidcratlon, and which forced Par-
liament to have recourfe once moroao this temporary ineafure.—•
lit was In hopes that the Lealflature wut.:l,l be abletu direct Its
attention to It out SelEon, awl that this would he the fait Bill
that would he medlar, for the ferpaaton of theft laws.
Lord AUCKLAND Rated, that It was within his own know-
ledge. that the Council could not pay the neeeffary attention to
thiLtra scutligfest.
ILLE corroborated the ftatements of the two
bst *ohm He pie hit concurrence to the Bill. folely on m-
amas, dm urgency of the cafe. If the various Adls. the ("creamy
fufpcmted by the Bill. were fo objaalonahle as it
wits horallashol. it would be better that they Mould be at once
odponod kola the Statute Book. The Bill was read a firmed
tbse, mod ankrod to be committed
Lord WALEINGHA M preferted a Petition from certain Jour-
Dirals. MON to be beard by Counfel 'plat the BlLL—Or-
doe&
DICLARATORY BILL.
Thr Wird reading of the Declaratory Bill was, on the motion
of the LORD CHANCELLOR, put ad until to-Morrow, in can-
dlepins* of the abfbnce of Lord Eldon.

BILL 70k THI DISCOTIRY OF TRUTH.
Earl STANHOPE leaving moved the Order of the Day for refer.,
/Mg the iblfar the Dikovery er_Trutti to • Committee, oltferved,
that in obniminenee of form eonverfatiem be had had with lons,
petiole of the vault weight in that Houk, he would conftnt to
m itm:he emidentiou of his Bill for the prefent. Sane No.
with whom he had talked on the khjedt, had called It
nmant IW. Now, having fueceedol in completely defeating a
Diehleaod Loomed Lord (Eldon) who was not now in the Houk.
▪ the argameot an the Detlaratory Bill, It would afford him the
oreetelt fadifaeUeo to debate the principle of the Bill. either in or
sit of the Committee, with thole Who had denominated It a crude ,1
DK whim he made no doubt he lhould obtain as eery and as de-
dive a widery over them. It had been fondled to him. that it
would be the molt advikabk coorfe he could parrot to refer the
OM/ea to the judges, with an inftrudion to them to bring in and
CaZa 1111. He would therefore move, that the Order of the
dikhareed. and that a fry order [bald be made far the
day after the reeds
Lord ELLINBOROUGH acknowledged, that he was one of
theft who had applied the epithet erode' to the Bill ;be dimeitt
k dinned k. It would, he was apprehenive, be found molt
dangerous In its tendency. It might open the door to truth in one
Waste. but the emfeiuence would be, that it would eide It for
am after. He hoped that in the interval to which the Noble Lord
had esofented that it lkould be poitpoced, be would give the fob-
yset that tabus emfideration it demanded, and that he would
partietdady attend to the manner in which it was drawn up, and
Hot deprive the Spiritual Lords of that precedency which wu
always given to them in Mts of the Legtflature.
Lard STANHOPE'. motion was acceded to; and the Houk
Millainiad till to-morrow.

HOUSE OF COMMONS-
ne BM for giving further Powers under the London Wet
Dock Adt, was read &Mond time.
SR ST Corr' a a tt, Clerk of the Privy Council, prefented
M Altana of the Returns of the Relident and Nos-refident
awry, given In by the Archbtthopa end Bin:tops from their (eye-
ful Diocefeh Laid on the table.
Mr. C 0.,, from the Office of Auditor of the Public Accounts,
gloefented a Lilt of all the Accounts delivered over by the late Au-
ditor to the prefan.
The lidpettor of Imports and Exports prdented an Account of
Exports to the ifland of Tortola, from thin Country, fur tin lath
levee Tun; and of the fugar and culfte imported into that Mead
fi Foreign Colonies, during the fame period.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHk(dIER moved, that the
!poker do iffue his Warrant for the Ekdliost of a Menther fur the
Borough of jedbureb. In the room of John Dalrymple, oft} who
bad accepted the Office of Steward of the Chiltern Hundreds.
Ordered
Lord HINCHINBROOKE prefented a Petition from the Melt.
Mr• of the Borough of Huniingdoo.—Laid mi the table.
• Mr. DILLON gave notice of a modal for Wedoefday, to af.
certain the number of Pariah Churches, Okbes, and Glebe ti?ufet
In Ireland.
Mr. CALCRAFT brought up the Report of the Bill for pet.
Slitting the Importation of Wool from our American Colonic+ to
England. DUI to be read a tMrd time tomorrow
On the motion of the SECRETARY at WAR, the Mutiny
Bill was read a third time, and paired.
On the motion of Mr. VANSITTART the Ftiglifh Militia Pay
BUI, the Militia Suit Bern' Bill, the Militia Adjutant's Bill, and
the Ira Militia Pay Bill, were read a third time and patted.
The lei& MffitiaVoluotary Service Bill was reads feco4
Mr. WHITSHEL) KFFNBfaid, that this Bill pet Idni much
fatistadlion. When the pr..fent War broke Out, and Irtrafion arm
daily espeffitel, many of the frith Militia Regiments, with the
greaten seal and ala cri I y, haJ volunteered their ferrite+ in any part
(tithe United Kingdom Wilco a Dill was lately brought Into
Parliament for giving rC. dt 'nth& tAft re, it was opprded by many
Gentkmen of high rank in the Militia S.-tyke, and did not polls
in•o an Ail. He at that time lamented its failure, a t. 41 now thought
that the prefent Bill would contribute to the feeurity of the eon-
try, which would be mach promoted by a reciprocity of militia
krvice in England and inland. The lame country lie c
as the malt:tided of the enemy's attack, and the molt vulnerable
part of the United Kingdom—and no better nit thod could he fallen
upon of conciliating the fertiments, and gaining the aff.:dlimis of
Lb* who might be indifferent or difaffteted, than that of brinAng
over to this country tome of the frith Militia. Such a meafure
would lead to a mote complete and fobitantial union than any
other feheme that could be adopted. He Rated. that on the South
Weft coati of Ireland nearly ten thoufand (carnet,. who had long
remained unnoticed. had heat beefy taught the tire of antis, and
Convened Into excellent tea fend biro, by our naval+ /Eters on that
Anion. This he coedit'. rid as a proof of what might he done bj
pains and exertion. This reciprocity of militia forke would alto
noentually increafe the revenue of the country. It wouhrtend
=OM cornpkttly to afibr.ilate the population of Ireland to that of
die *matey. in re'peet of indultry, and the rejoymert of th'e
dion.forte of life. 'I hip the t etym.-It tire of the great naafi Of the
reiptcleould be coentafed, and the revenue materially benefited.
(M A& rem ground.. therefore, of the Bill's tontrinothig to the
defame and attainably inereaing the reVel.6ll of ilk topiary, It
net hN 111/111 opprohatimi.
•..fl he Bill was asp ordered to it Coint..ittee of the n4-ade Hoofs

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Oe the motion of the CIIANCEI.LOR of the txcimurrn
the Committee of the whole Houfe on the Treafurer of the Ord-
nance bill was poßpoord till Thurfday.
Sir CHARLES POLE relented a Petition from the Matftere
of Newerk upon Trent. Laid on the table.
CAPJI OF GOOD HOPI.
Mc. tVINDHAItI moved, that the Houk relhave itfelf lotto •
Committee to confider of the Trade and Commerce of thiecountry
with the Cape of Good Hope. AircoL

• eoseatissionata or NATAL INOSIRY.
Mr. WHITBREAD, in purfuance of a former notice, role to
more for the produfli..n of an Account, to which he thought
there could be no objeetion. From the Naval Eftimatea !wore
the Houk it appeared that an item to the amount of ao,oool had
been placed at the difpolal of the Commiffioncre of Nava} Revi-
Soo. Now it appeared rather extraordinary. that the Commit-
iSorters of Naval Enquiry, who had continued fitting for three
year., bad received no reosuueration for thole meritorious labours
i to which the Haute and the Country were to much indebted.
while the CommiMonera of Revilion, who had •nly fat fourtem
month*. had applied for and bad obtained to large a fain as
so.ccc.l. to be plated at their difpofai. He thought that. bad
they been paid whin their work was done. it was as much as they
wire in tairnefa emitted to expect. But he would not throw any
blame upon than. before he was acquaitited with the ecotone for
their earolua ; thougll, at the fame rime, it wa. of Importance,
' that a detailed aecouot of the difootal of the money Arnold he
laid before the Haute and the Public. The Commillioners of Na-
val Inquiry, to whom the Country was to much indebted, In the
' murk of their laboring', inscitigatlons, and frequent juurnies,
hod not expepded more than tomli anti it was peeper that the
Country mould be Sari-fled ref patting the propriety of placing to
large a km at the difpol'al of the Board of Reviiion. lie therefore
moved, " That there be laid before the Houk an Aoe,ont of an
Application for an item of so.ood. contained In the Navy till.
mates for 'Soft, to be placed at the difpotal of the Commilionen
I for reviling the awn Affairs of the Navy, and of the mode of its
• application."
Lord CASTLEREAGH did not rife to object to the prefer/I'
' motion. The Houfe had an unquellio.rable right to judge whether
' any of the public money had been improvidently bellowed or ea-
' pearled. The only dreutnetanee which he Mould notice in the
' Hon. Gentleman's fpEeeh was, at hat be thought an unfair reffet•
tion'on the conduct of the Commitfioner, of Revifinn. The cafe
'' of perfons employed by the Executive Government, as they were,
' differed entirely from that of thole who were employed by Par-
' Bement. In the former cafe, Government whited their tepences
' to be afeertained as early as polfible, that an estimate of the pro-
bable expence might be laid before Parliament with theft at the
current year ; but the Houk was at liberty to remunerate thofe
' who were enmmifloned by It, at any period they thought proper.
' 'lifts Sum, he added, covered the expcncea of the Commiffionera
for the kit and the current year.
' Mr. WHITBREAD, in reply, obterved. that the expeoces of
' the Commlfboners, as far as then contradted, Mould have been
' laid before the Houk in the Eftimates of tattle...sr.
' Mr. HUSEISSON laid a few words.
i' Mr. WILBERFORCE Saida few words. the purport of which
were, that pecuniary compenfation formed the greater part of
what Government could bellow, while the Houfc had it in their
' power to confer more honourable rewards. Accounts moved for
' ordered.
Mr. BASTARD moved for an Amount of the Eepenees of the
Board of Naval Inquiry up to I Soy,--rOrdered.
A Meter from • the Lorda Informed the Hoare, that their
Lordasips bad agreed to the Greenland Flihrry Bin, the Marine
Mutiny Bill, the Gera= Corn Expo/tattoo Bill, and the Foreign
&Mien Indemnity 818. --
NAST INDIA DAIRYING titans.
Alderman PRINSEP gave notice of Ia Intention early in peat
Sefton, to move fora Committee to =quite Intothe Rate of the
' Carrying Trade of Haiti® India, mould the fulled bat be taken
up in the Interval by any of his Majelty'a Miniften.
Mr. WILLIAMS WYNNE moved for leave to bring In a •
Bill for amending an Ad of lab Salon, appointing CorninitSo-
tiers to enquire into the paving and lighting the City of Dublin.—
Granted.
' Mr. OILER moved for an AbltraCk of the Number of Vaean.
eke in the Number of Men to be railed under the Additional
Pelee Agita-orelered.
ORGNMICII EITIII•TIII.
Mr. ALEXANDER brought up the Report of
, the Committee of Supply, containing the Refolutious
refpeaing the Ordnance Eftimates. On i,he. motion
, Ithat there be read a fecund time,
General TARLETON rule to fay a feW words on
different points cum:ward with this fobjefl. Some
preliminary obfervations might be proper. When the
Secretary for the War Department rote the other
day, to give Come notice refpeding his plan, or fy dem,
or whatever he chofe to call it, the buz of expel ation
in the Hours was Such, that he did not hear didinitly
whether or not he meant to repeal the Additional
Force Bill. He could allure the Houle, that this Bill
which had been ter much ridiculed by the Right Hon.
Secretary and his friends, had been exceedingly pro-
du wive of late. It had produced three hundred and
fifty men during the lalt weeks. Many looked to him
with anxiety as this point. Many, likewife, looked
to him with anxiety on account of the Vol iinteets,
whom, in his Speeches, when on the oppolition fide of
the Houfe, he had fo much ridiculed, and wondered
how he had not retra&ed what he then laid, or pro-
vided fome flibflittfte for this force. Asa military
man who had fere ed 30 years, fometimes atli -ely em-
ployed, and he would have been employed ,oftener,
had it not been for his violent attachment to fame
gentlemen whoni be had in his eye, he would fay that
the Right Hon. Secretary's ideas cn war differed from
thole of every author, or curry praeical officer. A
gentleman (Mr.Sheoidan) who had lately got a naval
cloak, but which did not keep him warm enough to
enable him to come down to follow up his notice
refpeeting the repeal of the Farah tAt, had once al.
luded to the formation of the Ilea Aprpiniaraticn,
and eseteired much farcadic pleafantry, in compar-
ing them to a mixed let of cattle, harneded to the
State vehicle, in which the bright blood bait pulled to
redivoly with rite old bobtailed I.'arkt, that the carriage
duck in the mud. The fame fort of remark might
'he fairly retorted upon the led of which the Right
Hon. Secretary himfell now made one, and in which
the bays, the Nara" the grey', and the dam, of all ages,
cut, and prigrai, ccere to nixed, and by their kick
ing and curvetting, became fo unmanageable, that ,
the auk Coacbaraa fat upon the' box perplexed and
unable to proceed. Bur, the metaphor of the mane
apart, wt en he had once come from abroad, the
Right Hnn. Gentleman had told him that the enemy
teemed always t.. be three weeks beforehand, while we
were three weeks behind hand Now with refpeet to
the Ordnance Ellimates (a lasigk) they were the fame
as thnfe which had been prepared by the late'Board.
The Honourable General then paid Come c•nnpli•
ments to i.ord Chatham, wham every one, he (aid, '
mull refpea as the lion of Such a father, and the bro•
thcr of fo " excellent a datelines." Tice adlion of
Trafalgar altered the natuie of the war. Ships the
enemy could have none, or if they built.them, they
would be of no more nfe than trite toys of Bond•fireet,
as they had no failors. The attempt at joy-arson muff
therefore be madi with the flotilla. 'After' the feet
promifed to the Frehch army in May, they would
come to the coati infuriated againtt this country by
the delire of military glory and the hopes of elonder„l
, and it 'was our duty therefore to guard aga:ntt this
,r
fort of force. As to outfelves, Woolwich fries the
only grand depot .for iirsittanCe preparatio4e. This
.he thought improper, becaufe, in cafe of invifion, our
stoops ear. be compelled to light to a diradvantage,

in order to defend W'onlukh. There ought to be a
depot in the centre of the cognery. that though Wool-
wich and London &mild be taken there might hill be
a refource "for the armies in the novelly; coneeies.—
He knew that there was a frnall ;Opt. sealieden
Beclo in Notthamptenlbire, but rhos alai' not fuffi.
ciently extentive. It was better, at all events, as
Mr. Burke had laid, to be defpifed for too much eau-
don. than to be ruined by being too'recure.
Mr. CALCRAFrfaid, that the Heneurable Ge•
neral had only mentioned two or three things, to
which it was nectifery For him to allude. The efti-
mates he acknowledged to be nearly the fame as
thole found in the office. and the realm was, that the
Cervices for which they were called had advanced fo
far that they could not be alteied without great lots.
With regard .to the laboratory at Woolwich, they had
found 12400 i. placed in the etiimate for this item,
but in fad it appeared that se,oool. were neceffary,
land they had adopted this (um. As to a central
depot, if the Honourable General had examined the
ettiinatea, he would have found that 'ix one at Weeder
Beck was in a Nate of great forwardnefs.
General TA RLETON, in explanation, di/claim-
ed all idea of eenfuring the prefect Board of Ord-
nance, fer having adopted the plans of their prede-
Ceders. He certainly knew of the works alluded to
by the Hon. Gentleman, but he did not confider
Mem of fufficient magnitude or importance. They
did not contain a fin gie piece of cannon.
Lord CASTLEREAGH availed himfelf of this
opportunity to put a quelion to the Gentlemen -
polite on a fubjeft of confiderable importance. He
willed to know, whether or not they had it in con-
templation to follow up the Oleo of coal defence,
commenced by their predeteffers, on the coal of
Kent and Safes, by an application of it to the Eaft-
ern Diftriet ? It was an °Ned which his late lamen-
ted friend confidered of the highest importance, and
the reafon that it had not been mentioned in the
climates formed by the late Adminifiration was,
that certain documents not having been received, it
had been found impoffible to Cubism it to the Royal'
approbation. It was likewife in the contemplation
of the late Government to carry into circa a fyflem
of effeClual defence for Ireland. After placing the
importance and neceffity of attending to thefe two
points in a variety of lights, he proceeded so Rate
that with regard to the Additional Defence Aft; the
'former anfwer of the Right Honourable Gentleman
(Mr. Windham). when quelioned on that .fubjeft.
left no doubt on his mind, though there was Id am-
biguity in his expreffion which fairly julified diffe-
rent conaruitiona, He would, .however wilt to
uoderfland,that the Right Honourable Gentleman
bad not diflinaly 4oted whet was the final determi-
nation of his Najaf' Minillers on this Ad. His
fcnfe of the importance of the Aft was fuch, that he
thould indeed be lorry to confider Adminiftration
pledged to propofe its 'repeal. Even fafewnfe was
much better than this certainty „otould be. There
was one cireunallance, however, on which he would
take the liberty of putting a luenion to the Right
Honourable Gentleman. Whatever might be the
fate of the Aft, he was defirous of knowing, whether
or not it was intended to enforce the penalties
itgainft thofe places which had not fulfilled the Ili-
pulations contained is it I A conclufion (he trolled
In unju(t one) had been drawn in many parts of the
country, that thofe counties which had failed in fur-
nifhing their quota of men, would nevertbelefs be
indemnified from the penalties. This indeed would
be a refult contrary to every principle of equity and
policy. The Right Honourable Gentleman, how-
ever, mull fee the neceffity of coming to a decifion
on the fubjeß, and of making that decifion generally
known; fir in many places, being in doubt on the
fubjefl, they were walieg the advantage to which
they were entitled, and were negleeling to endeavour
to raife men before the King's Officers, by which
three•fourths of the money forfeited would he re-
deemed. On this and other queftions connefted with
the military defence of the country, it was indifpen.
fible that an immediate determination timid take
place, and that the men of talents, of which the Ad-
miniftration was Paid to be formed, fhould halm to
exert thole talents in a way calculated to be of ler-
vice to the public. The patier.t might otherwife-ex
' pire before the liate phyficians had made up their
minds on the nature of their preletiptions. He re-
quelled, therefore, that the Right Honourable Gen-
tleman would Rate fairly what were his intentions on
theta fubjefts.
Mr. WINDHAM difclaimed having made any
declaration fuch as had been imputed to him by the
Noble Lord, and by a Right Honourable Gentle.
man near him (Mr. Canning) on a former occafion,
that in three days be could produce a plan for re-
medying' the delete of the military fyflem. He bad
never made any declaration to warrant fuch a late.
ntent. The Noble Lord had availed hinifelf of a
fond of a very extenfive nature, namely, the difficul-
ties which his own meafores had produced. The Gen-
tlemen on the oppofite fide leemed to be aware that
the military fyttem was bad, and required fume
' amendment. ' They knew the neceffity that exiled
for a remedy, and were impatient to difenver what
meatures were intended. The Noble Lord had
compared the Hate of the public to that of a patient;
hut what had reduced it to the Rate of a patient,
but the prefcriptions of its former phyficians ?
(a laugh). Thole who had brought the country to
that Irate, were now loud in their reproaches spina
their fucceffurs for not reaming the patient intlmatly
to health (a laugh). What he had now laid applied
with /coal force to the Additional Force Bill. The
Noble Loici wished to know what was to be done
with it ? On this head it was very difficult to fatisfy
his inquiry. The whole of what had been urged on
the other fide came to this, the Gentlemen feel that
they have brought the country into difficulties, and
express their I'm prize that we fhould be fo long in
extricating it from them. As to the admonition of
tire Noble Lord, with refpeft to the other topics
upqp which he had touched, he had only to fay, that
thilattention of his Majesty's Minillers would he Ceti
oufly direfted towards them. To the other pint. on
,which the Noble Lord alked information, he had no
sewer to make, not that he was unprepared to give
the &Our, hut becaufe he did not copulae that the
gotte L?ed had any right to pot the questions. He
erlythmg to add, therefore. to what he had faid
befolh on die fubjeft, viz. that the quellion was sh-
der the 'ConAderation of Governehent, and would, in
pfoper time, be fubmitted 'to Parliament. As to the
allulion which tife Noble Lord had- thade to the

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PARLMMENTART PRuCEEDINGS. the Committee of the whole Houle on the 'freeform. of the Ord- depot in the c
1 ranee bill was poßponed till Thurfday. wick and I.or
...—„,..--- Sir CHARLES POLE prefented a Petition from the Matfters
HOUR OF LORDS, MONDAY. MARCH By. of Newak upon Trent. Laid of the table. ,a refourceloi
The Itifm.iiks et BLA ND FORD was (=reduced, and took the . CAPJI OF GOOD HOPI. • He kntir tha
fade milli tot as Baron Wortnteighton. Me. WINDHAM moved. that the Houk refoive Wel( Into • Beck, in Nor
ft lITIPHEN.COTrestn, as Ckrk of the PIN', Conntit Committee to cooader of the Traie and Commerce of thiecouturi ciently extent
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