Star.
London, England, 1812-07-24 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The SPEAKER was summoned to the House of Peersoshin
he heard the Royal Assent given to several public and ptism
Bills. On his return,
Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY said, he held In his hand aM.
tion, signed Daniel lent Eaton, now a pri,oner in Newgue,
der the sentence otthcCasert of King's Bench. He bain4
did not make any tbservation oo the cause of his coa
but stated the Pe-idon contained such facts as would .ui*
House of the necemiry al mailiv wir Soluiry lota the
of an the Gaols within the Kingdom.
The P‘ttrien wadies tut in and read. Institut:nom It sad
that the Petitiocer had been convicted of a Libel, in puiiiig

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" The Third Part a Paint's Age of Reason," for which ices
sentenced to eighteen months coofinemett In Neweate, sir
stand twice in the Pillory, part of which be had ahead who
guile. That on his eutering the prison he was asked Own
should like an apartment, and he chose the State sil. lilt
Gaoler then demanded two guineas from him, which ke oil
That there are three or four more persons continually hide
room with hint, yet be is still compt.iled to pay seven .btilirp a
week, or be moved into the Fetus-side, where be must as
with characters of the worst description. Tbe room m
be now remains, Is not worth seven shillings eweek altorke
yet every person in it is compelled to pay that sum fee it. ea
'1 hat nearly one-third of the w hole State-side, consiturg d
moms, are now occupied .olely by two individuals, who km
been convicted of forgery. The Petition concluded wide pry,
to take the case into early consideration, sod take suck ewes
to the House may seem proper.—Ordered to lie on doable.
Mr. WILSON begged to know whether the Homiest* Br
ronet had Inquired Into the truth of the complaints made by It
Petitioner ?
Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY said, that be had made no ben
into the case, neither did be conceive that it was neceevry dm
by should have inquired into the truth of the Petitioner's Into
nients before presenting the Petition. He took that opportatatl
of stating it as his decided opinion, that it was necessary that is
inquiry should be made Into the state of the gaol. dirolleholatle
kuigdem.
The Vote of Credit Bill, the White Herrings Bill, sod "
Agent-General of Volunteers Bin, were read a third time sal
passed.
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUas
Addresses were ordered to be presented to his Royal KO"
the Prince Regent, praying him to grant the usual remunerate@
to the different Officers of the House, v'z. 'I hat sane dienitlot
the Church should be conferred on the Rev. James Weber, Chin
lain of the House; to S. R. Lusbington, Esq. the sum d itt,eo;
to Jeremiah Dyson, Esq. Clerk, £2300; to John ling IA
Esq. Second Assis:ant Clerk, £2OOO ; to G. Nichol. fob
Clerk of the Journals, £495 ; and to the Committee Clerks sod
compensation as his Royal Highness should be pleased to ail
proper.
On the motion of Mr. ROSE, the Lords Arnendmects Mde
Parish Register Bill were taken into further consideratied
agreed tee.
On the motion of Mr. 'WHITBREAD, an Address
dered to be presented to the Prince Regent, praying his lir
Highness to order that a Copy of the Commission gives b 1""
Royal Highness, to certain persons to be employed oil Arlo!
of Africa for procuring the enlistment of Negroes into the
Regiments in the West Indies; and also a Copy or the Coot!:
poildence and Instructions given to the persons so empluyeds
laid before the Howe.
Lord CASTLEREAGH presented Copies of the Catnaps'
deuce on the late Overture of Peace from France, which woo
ordered to lie on the table, and to be printed.

FINANCE.
Sir THOMAS TURTON moved, that the order
for renewing the debate of the 29th of June lag be
now read. The order was accordingly read faro'
newing it this day. The Hon. Baronet then prxee*
ded to state, that nothing was of greater importaers
to the salvation of any county than to hare itS Sys-
tem of finance establt,hed upon a solid foJndationr
therefore he wished that House to take our owe 51s•
tern of finance into the most serious consideration.-•
For his own part, he took a most gloomy view dit•
and wished very much to ascertain whether the opi•
nion he had formed was correct, or whether our Ft-.
nances were in that prosperous state he had ot
heard represented. In beginning with the Peri*d
1862, he had no particular inducement farther than
that it embraced a period of ten years. The Hoe:-
Baronet then read his Resolutions successively, ena
took occasion to pay the highest tribute of respect
the wisdom of MA Pitt, with whom originated 54

.L., pia All he should asic Wig tie iptietnt.
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of a Committee, who might sit next Session,
:hat
usliould inquire into the amount of our income
d annual expenditure, and the while state of our
Prinsances. r his opinion they were not able to con-
. a raising supplies adequate to carry on a war like
;present ; and lie therefore wished its scale to be
reduced, or the war itself discontinued. The finances
iireland were in an equally bad state, for which he
itie most sincere regret, knowing that country to
car ble of great and permanent improvement.—.
Hose had long neglected the true interest of
lot fruitful country, from the inattention which it
to the Catholic Question., We were putting
laced hats upon the heads of the Irishmen, and 1
themwithout shoes or stockings. (A laugh.
had always been his opinion whenever be heard '
beussion upon the propriety of qualifying them
wine Generals and Admirals, Chancellors and-
s. (A laugh.) He should wish to support a
re which could give certain scope to their
stand industry in every sphere of life. The fol-
. g We the Resolutions of the Hon. Baronet :
That it appears)
i.Tbatibe amount of the Capital Funded Debt of Great Bri.
Astilelst of February, 1802, was £536,657,603. Gs. sid.
Irdwi el/Annuities for lives or fur a term of years, to the
Iwo d 8101,57. 19s. lid. of which there had been purcha.
~Ab, tie Commissioners for redeeming the National Debt,
A, and transferred to the said Commissioners, for
X 18.001,148. ss. s<l. and Annuities had

arsiCenting to £79,860. 14s. 6d. reducing the Debt to
AscoBl. Is. Old. and the Annuities to .01,001,4/7. 49. 71d.
mit the amount of the Capital Funded Debt for Ireland,
come in Great Britain, on the Ist day of February, 1802, was
`plolos,78:1, of which there bad been redeemed by the said
Causiaceers £786,407, leaving the Debt of Ireland at
110201

That die amount of the Captial Funded Debt of Great Bri-
lion the Ist of February, 1312, was £747,429,339. Ils. 31d.
sesashicresse of the Debt since 1 bO2 of X 204,237,812. 184.91,4 i.
[which there had been transfrrred to the Commissioners by
sso d Land Tax redeemed, £23,941,057. es. 7d. and for the
sane of Life Annuities, £1,6C6,040, which sums, together,

_ .
W1i1119,5313,480, purchased by the Commissioners for reZleem-
WtheNational Deb., having the total amount of Debt on the
niofFebruary, 1812, £556,1.84,812.05 113 d.
4. That the amount of the Capital Funded Debt of In land, on
Ihittof Febrrary, 1812, was £61,274,250, being an increase of
lON, since 1892, of all :,565,500, of which there has been re-
lied by cite Commissioners, £9,985,958, leaving the total
Jed Debt of Ireland, £59,188,292.
That the Loans to the Emperor of Germany, forming part
ii'mfunded Debt of Great Britain, amoui.t to £7,562,633. 68.6 d,
i which there has been' redeemed by the said Commissioners,

f 1,354,51 4,leaving the Debt unreduc.cd, on the lit of February,
612, £6,459,119.65. Bd.
6. That the Loan to the Prince Regent of Portugal amounted

a the Ist of February,lBl2, to £895,522.75. 9d, of which there
Is been redeemed by the Commissioners, £118,568, leaving an
redeemed Debt of £776,954, 7s. 9d.
7. That the Funded Debt created in 1807 by the 47th of the
'went King, and charged on War Taxes, amounts to
18,072 COO, of which £4,968,107, has been redeemed by the
ommisilon:r4 for reduction of Debt; leaving of unredeemed
kbe cba ged on War Taxes, £13,103,894.
8. That the total of Funded Debt, consisting of the foregoing

as, and unredeemed on the Ist February, 1812, amounts to
15,518085. 58. 51d.
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9. That the Annual Interest of the said Debt is X 20,749,828.
0.70. and the Total Charge thereof, iccluding expences of
wagemen*, Ste. £35,608.615. Is. sd.
10. That the amount of Unfunded Debt of Great Britain, on
ie:th of January, 1804, was £..:3,787,151. 15s. 30.—in 1805,
01,115,548. 9s. 94.1.—and on the sth January, :012.,
outman demand. at that date.) £44,038,049. 145. flld. being
snafus of the unfunded Debi, compared with the year 1804,
0f90,450807. 185.1 V. anct In .1 k ng the amount of the Funded
011111116 died Debt,iotittnrntettfiel of the presaft year-,
1416,24.1

11.31 at the Amount of lislctiey raised for the service of tte
yeeeritsg •1!e. sth 'unary, 104, wail #!53,500,915. 11$. lett!.
utdoithe year ending iithJattoary 1812, £105,718,682. 1 as. 614.
kg an it crease in that period at £47,217,761. Is. 80.
hank.' et Produce of the Permanent Tares, on the Sth
Jimmy', Ist 2, 'ma £14,497,860, and in the year cuffing the
eLiptil, int 2, £40,986,860, 16s. 100. being:an increase of
"MAX
It That the atramt of the War Taxis in the year ending Stb
1812, Was X:11,999,5,0. 93. 41d. making the net sum ais.
Taus L that year, £6 !.986,41 I. 6s. Sad.
IX That ender the financial,diticulties of the Country, awl
gnat pressure of Taxation on the subject, it becomes the
duty of Parli.iment to recommend, and of Ministers to
k, the most rigid economy in every department of the
;and, above all things, to use every endeavour (without en.
the securi.y, or compromising the honour of the Coon-
,) to procore to h.. People the r, sturation of the bles‘ingii of
e, as the only effectual mea.‘s of relieving the burdens of the
hearty, or of avertiLg tier (ot ise) inevitable ruin of its Ft.
if the same scale of Expenditure tie continued for a much
Eder me.

Mr. TIERNEY rose and observed, that he felt
tare of deviating from the usual forms of the House,
the Resolutions which he intended to submit
Ivied very little from those of the Hon. Baronet, he
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Ole 'hake et the tut three yeah the* had beet an
excess of ten millions raised by the loan, above the
sum paid by the Commissioners for liquidating the
National Debt. A considerable part of the raitsan-
. ding debt of forty-nine millions in January, 1812, had
been provided for by Exchequer Bills t but in 1812
there had been twenty-six millions more of market-
able property in the money market than in 1804.
i The Government Was wholly in the power of the
Bank with respect to Exchequer Bills, and the Loan
of the present year was so large, because the Bank
had demanded that two millions and a half of
Exchequer Bills should be paid off. He wished to
have it explained why the Bank had pitched upon the
most inconvenient time for making such a demand.
It shewed clearly that the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer could not go on without the Bank. There
was now a permanent charge eleven millions, and
the Consolidated Fund was all the Country had to
rely on, to meet this expenditure: at present it was
only met by six millions. 'I he Country thought that
peace would relieve them fi om all their burdens, but
many ;axes must still be continued whenever a I..eace
should be made. The Right Honourable Gentle-
man entered into several strtements to chew that,
ever and above the usual peace estahlishment, nine
millions would remain to be provided for. To
talk of savings anA retrenchments was a jest, as
none could be made of any magnitudt. Indee 1, any
thieg of that nature had a tendeliely to weaken the
hands of Government. Witness the claMour 'hat h id
been raised against Lord St. Vincent. What now
was wanted, was a strong measure of finance origi•
nating from a strong Administration. Whenever
Peace came, the whole system most be recast. For
the last Resolution of the Hon. Baronet he could not
vote, which went to stste that n thing but peace
could save the the Finances of the Country from ruin.
His remedy was in a strong measure of Finance, to
which if properly explained, the Country would not
object. There was a sutticient strength in the body
of the Counts y to bear a strong medicine. But the
system of the last nine years must end in destruction.
—( Hear, hear, hear.)-- total sum raised by
Great Britain was 9.s.millions, add to that four mil.,
lions for Ireland, and two millions and a half for the
India Company, and the sum would he little less
' than 102 millions, and this daily increasing. In the j
first year he had taken (1804) the supplies raised I
within the year had exceeded the loan. Latterly, the
reverse had been the case, and every th ng had peen
done to injure the Consolidated Fund. He would
ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer, as he would
the Prince Regent, to consider the deplorable stee
of public credit. He hoped the Right Honourable
Gentleman would bestow upon it the most serious
consideration during the recess of Parliament, and
would prove the founder of a new system, by which
we might ultimately be enabled to secure an honour-
able peace. ,
Sir THOMAS TURTON explained.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
by no means agreed in his conclusions with the Hon.
Baronet. The people cf this country had shesvn, by
what they hid already done, what they were still
able and willing to do. The lion. Baronet had pro-
posed the appoi,itment of a Committee to inquire into
he sate of our finances. But it a Committee c. u.d
-have reli,-..ved ham raur digresses, we shoulg liti
been relieved long before. On an occasion like the
present, there should be nothing I ke the triumph of
party, but'all should b:: actuated by a common feel-
ing for the advantage of the country. Nothing of
importance had been stated by the lion. Baronet,
rich would not be found embodied in the Resotu-
'hoes ne should have the honour to propose to the
Horse. Upon his Resolutions, he should therefore
move the previous question. Upon the last of them
It was not accessary for him to say much, after what
had Wins from the Right Han. Gentleman. He
should only observe, that it went to depreg the spirit
of the country, and to weaken the exertions of our
1 Allies. Heve much credit to the Right Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. Tierney) for tile manner in which
he had drawn up his Resolutions, and which, upon
some future occasion, it might be desirable in part to
adopt. They contained, however, some jnaccuracies, '
that made them not fit to receive the sanction of the
House, and upon them 'also he should move the pre..l
visas question. One objection be had to them was,
tbat the Right Hon. Gentleman 'had not kept the
Finances of England and Ireland sufficiently diganct.
There had been no expences .on the Continent till
1808, wf.en the Spaniards had taken up arms against
their oppressors, and the expences of our maritime
and insular should have been distinguished from
those of the continental war. Extraordindry expences
should be defrayed by m,..asure, t 'ken upon the spur
of the occasion. Such was the ilea of Lord limry
Petry, who thought that our proper expences might
be defrayed within the year. 'l'hi; he also thought
might be done. In the years 1795 and 1793 there
had been a great depression of public credit, though
then there was no Property Tax. After the Property
Tax had been laid on, public credit rose rapidly.—
The Right Hon. Gentleman's attack upon the Bank
was untair. The Bank had remonstrated near a year

tiled to stand excused in stating the nature of them
athat time. For four or five years he had troubled
the House on that subject to little effect ; but cir-
ernstances had now so much altered, that he could 1
zot. again help offering a new statement of our Fi-1
411ces to the House, and to the country. He should
confine himself to the period beginning the sth of
anuary, 1804, and ending the sth of January, 1812,1
iverlooking the broken part of 1803, when the war
commenced, to avoid intricacy and inconvenience.—
His first Resolution skewed the progress of our annual
tVenditure, as connected with the war, and that
(WY. The second went to slim what had been the i
Agless if our annual resources, to meet the est(
leeeture. The third, whence those resources had I
_tee. what money had been borrowed, and ..what i
nit had upon the money market. The fourths
vu,.w far the Sinking, Fund is applicable to the re-.;
'minion of the funded debt. The fifth. shewed the
.Irate end progress of the unfunded debt. The sixth r
7t'd the money raised by unfunded Exchequer and'
oart Bills, and the debt so increased. The seventh
&.'ed how such debt had been provided tor. The
" Resolution shewed the actual ,xpenditure of the
Present year. The Right Hon. Gentleman then coin-
;'uted at considerable length on each Resolution.—
'
,Iletne two first Resolutions were extremely important,
they tended to shew the means we had of meet-
N she expenditure. The third went to shew the
!wet of the Funding system. In nine years the
41(!'",...,, se of the Funded Debt would be ninety-one
'woo, on the first of January 1813 ; and in the
slue nine years the Sinking Fund bad increased
!%800,000. The Sinking 1. und had risen from 1.77
r 144 of the funded debt, but it was a very singular l
fit, that public Credit, notwithstanding this, had
sustained. No relief had been given to the
Edens of the Country by the Sinking fund. An
Ireoont of capital was taken from the Country,
to it in value. He was compelled to think
Im mutt,- was is an exhausted state, and that there
ens an end to the advantages of the Sink nil' Fund.
The
fourth Resolution went to spew when the Sink.
Fund would batunce the Lava of tilt year. Itt

ago with Mr. Perceval, to reduce the issue of Exche-
quer Bills. The increase of the Unfunded Debt had
always been discouraged by the Bank. He himself
had, three years bask, remonstrated against such in-'
crease. The Right Hon. Gentleman took occasion
to pronounce a high encomium on the financial talents
of Mr. l'erceval, who itad checked the frauds of the
revenue, and had avoided increasing the nominal
capital of the Funded Debt. Many were ignorant of
the difference between this nominal capital and the
actual value, especially among the other nations of
Europe. It was a very important consideration
how we should repay, in time of peace, when the
Funds would be high, what was borrowed in time
of war, when they were low. In the ten years pre-
ceeding the Peace of Amiens, twenty-eight millions
had been added to the War Taxes, while only eight
millions had been added in the course of the last nine
years. It was a great consolation, in the present
state of our maninactures and scarcity of grain, to
I know that the Revenue had not dimin ed, and that
the Revenue account, made up to last July, exceeded
that of the former year. It was desirablt, he thought,
that our Revenue should be co-extensive with our ex-
penditure, as little hope was at present to be enter.
tained of peace. An extension of taxation would there-
fore become necessary, with respect to the objects of
which different opinions might be entertained. A
tar, he thought, might be introduced with advantage

ion Capital, as distingbished from the Meanie Tar. ' etplaining my clearly hoar he intended to dreg th.
Some exertion would be necessary, he admitted, for nation on for that same 15 years. One had suggested
preserving public, credit, and with that view some a tax on coals, another a tax on iron, a third a tax on
laddition might be made to the Sinking Fund, so as wool; and the Chancellor of the Exchequer threet j
; always to bring it up to the sum borrowed. What out a hint of a tax on capital, in addition to the tax i
might' be the state of the Country next Session, or to .on income. These were alarming symptoms. Mee.
I whom the arduous lot might fall of conducting the sures like these could hardly have been in contem.
'financial department, he knew not, but, should the plation, unless our resources had appeared to be al- '
ilot be his, he would find it necessary to propose more most desperate ; and if he were to form an estimate
i vigorous Resolutions than those that had been sub- of the state of the country from what he had that 1
,ftlitted to the House on this occasion. i night heard, he might conclude, to use a figure of a
Mr. HUSKISSON considered that the House was Right Hon. Friend of his (Sheri.'an), that the scuts
very much obliged to the Hon. Baronet for the atten- : tling time was almost come. All appeared to agree
don he had given to this subject. It was useful, at in this, that in the present state of our in; one, as ,
certain periods, to take a view of the state of the compared to our expenditure, we could not go one
'Country, and to see the efforts of which we were ca• And if this was the case t if this view of our
fpable, or the probability of continuing them. During situation had any foundation, ought tort a wise
the last twenty years of war in which we had been en. Government to shew some more anxiety to enter
(gaged, it was a satisfaction to see the great exertions into negociations for peace. The alarming de.
iwe had made, and that our resources were still of an • preciation of Bank paper` ought also to be noticed.
encouraging nature, notwithstanding the late pressure Our situation in Oat respect was new.a great deal
;of the times, and the great want of employment on worse than when the House agreed to the whimsical
the part of the manufacturing population. Our great ' resolution of the present Chancellor of the Exche.
lexpenditure had not yet impaired the industry of the ' quer, that hi public estimation paper- was equal to
;Country. The difficulty, however, of adding to the • gold. WI .t wou'd be the situation of the country, I
present burdens ef the people, without impairag our if, in addition to all our other difficulties, we should
'national industry, could not be denied. The low Ibe involved in the calamity of e continued war with
state of credit was ore great difficulty we had to en- ; America ? We were at this moment at war with
counter, and they should, therefore, by every possible j America, though he hoped that it would not long con.
isneai,s, endeavour to diminish the loans of the year,' tinue. But it it did, and such taxes as they had
;and increase the good will of the community, 'which, heard of that night were to be imposed under the in-
more than any thing, would induce them to submit creased difficulties of the country, it might indeed
Ito the sacrifices they were called on to make. He • then be said, the scuttling time was come. He con-
.
had long considered, as a necess try measure, the di- curled in the resolution of the H n. B owlet, re.
mirtution of the expenses attending our several esta- commending a due attention to the restoration of
blithments, as the Naval, Colonial, and Military.— peace. But then it was said, the Executive Go.
In 1805, when the enemy's navy were in greater vernment ought not to be fettered. This was tree,
vigour, and when the victory of Trafalgar gave us if the Government had evinced an eareest desire
so decided a superiority. our naval establishment to procure peace on honourable terms, which, be
consisted only of 120,000 seamen, whereas now it contended, it hadnot. Let them send t 6 B ovaries
was 135 or 140,000 men, though there was less and state the terms on which they were desirous to
necessity for exertion. They were to consider whether conclude a peace, as he had repeatedly sent to us.— i
this increased establishment was absolutely neces- If they did not do this, they would probably be soon
sary, or if they might not yetrench, on the ground of compelled to do it, by petitions from the people, and i
1, economy, without affecting our naval superiority. doing it under that duress they would be forced to
—We ought to follow the example of our enemy, in accept of worse terms. Why had not a diminuti nin
making great exertions only where great objects the expenditure of the naval department taken place,
were in view. They were also to prepare for great when our fleets had so little occupetion, and when i
sacrifices. When public credit was high, it would our navy WAS so much more powerful than any thing
be more advantageous to borrow ; but, on the con- that could be brought to oppose it ? As a proof of
trary, when credit was lose, they ought to borrow as that superiority without keeping up such great num.
little as possible, and raise as much as could be done hers of ships, if any proof had been suet in, he might
by immediate taxation. On this subject, however, mention an anecdote of our Admiral on the Scheldt i
he deprecated any discussion, as having a pernicious station, who wrote to Government that the Scheldt
tendency, except such discussion or arrangements as fleet appeared preparing to cone: out, begging at the
cotes float Government. That pace would be de. same time that they should not think of sendi'tg him
sirable, nobody could deny, provided the war could reinforcements. They had 18 ships—he had 12 te-
be terminated on satisfactory terms. We had now if they sent him more, the French would not venture
no positive object for continuing-the war. Of pos- out. While he had only twelve, they might ; And
session we lied obtained enough. and the glory we he was sure of giving them a sound drubbing..
had acquired would sufficiently establish opr charac- The tax on wool was one which had never yet been
ter as a military nation ; but there were other consi. in the contemplation of any of our financiers..
deletions also to be kept in view, end particularly So much, indeed, remained for him to say, that he
the situation of our allies, and with respect to our. 'was sorry the motion had .sot been made earlier in
selves, that we should not be reduced to a secondary the Session. when he should have taken an opportu.
power in the scale of Europe. There could not be nity of calling their attention to our domestic situa-
any mind in the country so mean as to suppose this don. The Sovereign was at present in a state, from
coun could be conquered. He therefore eon. which it was only possible to recover ; but the Prince
del z
.the• tone end spirit of the 1-40 S Sosiagatied 'twat %SOB* web a stete, that very little fear was
proposed by the Honourable Baronet. Their busi. to be ipprXended of his being snatched from amongst
ness w.ts not to respond of our resources, but to re- us. Should that unhappy event, however, haiipen,
store public credit as much as possible ; and this was (which Goo forbid) in what a situation should we be?
to be done, he thought, rather by taxation than re- The next in succession to the Crown was a fern the, of
teeing to loans. Ireland, he contended, was cape- full age to become a Queen, but during the life of out
ble of-contnbutirg more than she did. Though her venerable Sovereign we must have only a Regent.—
credit was higher than that of this cilium y, she was To whom, therefore, were we to look ? The Law►
neither called on for the Land nor Property Tax.— had provided no remedy, and it was impossible to
It would be necessary to lie prepared before next au foresee theembarrannients into which Parliament in .
tion for making greater s 'entices. such a situation might find itself placed. That illus.
Mr. BA RING complimented the Right Honour- trious female too, although of age to take the Crown
able Gentlem in (Mr. Tierney) for the clearness and by law, had hitherto been kept in a state of seclusion,
precision of his statements, and was glad that. the but he now hoped the time had come when she should
subject had been discussed without any party" feeling. shew herself to the anxious eyes of those who were
He believed the people cf this country were able, if hereafter to be her subjects. He concluded with ex,
necessary, tie bear still more taxation. Our new cold- pressing a sincere hope, that an effort would be made
nies, while they extended our dominions, added to our to procure an honourable peace. '
erpence; but mast have occasioned us more expence Mr. WILBERFORCE paid a high compliment
in the hands of the enemy. He condemned the sys. to the memory of Mr. Pitt, who had rendered the
tern of borrowing, as merely putting off the necessity Finances of the country so clear, that they might be
of taxation, which must at last be imposed, and then understood by the most ordinary capacities. He was
not to bear the expence, but to pay off the debt. He anxious for peace. He was by ho means disposed to
saw no great objection to a tax on Capital, as a spe- say, that it was impossible to conclude peace with
cies of redemption from the Property Tax. He re- Bonaparte. They must derive security from their
commended also a tax on Sheep's Wool, which,
.in strength, and resources independent of any conside.
hi's opinion, from the other advantages we enjoyed, ration of his character. But surely the Honourable
could not injure the manufacture. There might Gentleman over the way could not imagine that any
also be a tax on Coals and Iron, and Stamps might peace could at present be made on the terms of leay.
be extended to klend-bills and Plac.irds. He was ing Spajn in the hands of Joseph Bonaparte. He
afraid we had not sufficiently conciliated Ireland, to concluded by strongly recommending all possible ren
make her taxes more efficient. India might also be trenchment and economy.
made more effective, which, in his opinion, did not The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
contribute. equally to the public expenditure. With denied stating a tax on capital as one to which he in.
respect to peace, it was neither our cooky nor lute- tended to have recourse. He only stated it to shell
rest to cry out. The question was, if we could exist what might he done on the severest emergency.
as a nation with peace. A pence, for a few months Mr. HUME made a few observations with respect
continuance only, would be attended with much ad- to the affeirs of the East-India Company, and expres.
ditional expence, without affording any permanent ! sed a wish that Great Britain would reduce her expen.
advantage. diture in the manner that had been done in India.
Mr. COURTNEY contended, that the revenue Mr. BARING explained.
had been increasing from the growing state of our Sir THOMAS TURTON replied briefly to the
commerce, independently of any new taxes. During , various points which had been urged in the course of
the three years that no new taxes were imposed, the the debate. Mr. HUSKISSON explained.
revenue was two millions and a half more than in The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER,
the three preceding years. A great deal, he thought, in rising to move the previous question, took the op-
might be done by mortgaging parts of the Revenue. , portunity of stating, that he had learned, at the pe. -
He also pointed out the advantages of the Sinking I nod of the peace of Amiens, that there was a tax of
Fund, which in he years would set us all right, and not lessthan 30 per cent. upon the total capital of
which, if necessary, might be extended. I France ; and expressed his intention, if it should fall
Mr. WHITBREAD regretted that the colleagues . to his lot to propose the Supplies, to make some pro.
of the Chancellor of the Exchequer had not been position for the support of public credit.
present, that they might have heard the important ! Mr. WHITBREAD deprecated the introduction
views which had that night been given of the state into England of any tax which had been adopted in
of the Finances. What had become of the Vice- Holland, since the conduct of the French Govern.
President of the Board of Trade, and the rest, who meet, since they had entered that country, he did not
had always vaunted so loudly of the prosperous state think very worthy of imitation here.
of the country, especially in the year 1810, which After some explanations between Mr. VANSITTAIITs
had been one of the worst years that this country Sir T. Tuneon, and Mr. COURTNEY, Sir T. Turton's
had experienced—a year of feverish activity, and Resolutions were severally put and negatived by the
hollow speculation—the symptom of decline, and previous question. The Resolution regarding Peace
. .__
- - not the source of prosperity. The result of all, -
however, was, that we could not go on under the
present system ; but an Honourable Gentleman over
the way had consoled the 'House by stating, that, at
'the end. of 15 years, a considerable fund would be at
our disposal ; admitting, however, that it was not to
be touched till the ead-of these fifteis years, and sot

prevauus quesnun. ane BLesonuton regarding Peace
was likewisenegatived, after a slight amendment, that •
it might not appear even upon the Journals In its ori-
ginal shape. The Gallery was cleared upon it. but.-
it did not take place.
Sir FRANCIS BURDETT vile sodas. doe iw
would move as ele taw MOW &in* " SIM" dr.
COVRtryir.4dinigliell Tsassr.

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THURSDAY, JULY 23.
PRICE OF STOCKS Tills DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK.
3 per Ct. Red. Safi ft—Cons. selif —for opg. 56
4 per Ct. 7384-5 per Ct. 871813 87j—Bank Stock
Bonds 12s. IS.. dis.—Om. If 41i—Ek. Long Anne. IS
Exch. Ms: (Sid.) Is. d:s. par—Dtk (std.) es. 7s. die.

The Mnrometiz frigate, the arrival of which at
Plymouth from Lisbon we noticed yesterday, has
brought intelligence from Head-quarters two days
later than Earl WELLINGTON'S last dispatches His
Lordship had advanced from Fuente la Pena to Nava,
a station still further on the way to Valladolid, where
MARMONT is supposed to be, and where his Lordship
will no doubt attack him. From the direction in
which the British army is cautiously marching, the
movements of SouLr or any other General from the
south, and even the retreat of KING JOSEPH and the
remains of his army from Madrid, will be seriously
impeded, if not interrupted.
The MELPOMENE has brought over the following
Officers, viz : Major-Gen. Krtarr, severely wounded
at the assault of Badajos ; Lieutenant-Colonel CHAM•
NERLAIN, of the 240, sick ; Lieutenant-Colonel
Xlstmas ; Captain Butts', of the 4th or King's Own,
wounded in the leg at Badajos; Captain LivoosroN,
of the 60th, wounded in the arm ; Lieutenant MADt
NEES, of the 95th, wounded in the knee ; Lieutenant
MADDEN, of the 43d, wounded in the arm ; and
Lieutenant BROWN, wounded in the leg. The Mm.-
roadaua also brought over 118 disabled French pri-
soners (principally in the affair of Busaco), which it
is said to be the intention of Government to send
over to Morlaix, without any conditions or stipulations,
for any of our own troops to be received in exchange
for them—A generous and humane measure, which
we cannot sufficiently applaud, and trust it will be

met by a corresponding disposition on the part of
the French Government, and tend to the renewal
and successful termination of the so much wished
for general exchange both of our own troops and
those of our allies.
We have just received a letter from Sir ROWLAND
HILL'S army, dated on the field, at Albuera, June
21, the French army drawn up opposite, and an ac-
tion expected to take place oa the 22d. Including
Spaniards and Portugiese, General HILL had 20000;
the French 26,000.

General D'UttaAn, commanding 2000 Portu-
guese cavalry, and al ABADIA, 20,000 Spanish
infantry, were movi down on Zamora, and Gene-
ral MENDEZAUL was moving on Valladolid ; the
most interesting accocnts may be expected.
By letters from Lisboa, we find that the 38th re-
giment in the highest: order had arrived from Ireland,
and the 82d, 1100 -.strong, brought to the highest
pitch of discipline, st Gen. CAMPBBLL• at Gibraltar.
These two regiments well as Gen. ENGLAND'S fine re-
giment, the sth, andltafts from different regiments, in
all about 6000 meigki are about to set out on the
march to join Lord LINGTON, in Spain.
t
General D'Uttats . *th the Portuguese cavalry,
and General ABADlA*Spanish army ate at Zamora;
and General MENDIMISEL'S army near Valladolid.
The French army are very numerous, and most-
ly Frenchmen ; the ihsvigners have been, by MAR-
MONT, placed in the rear of his army, that they might
Dot desert to us. On the 25th a French Captain came
in, who gave information which proved true, and of
great value to Earl VirimuNcyros.
It is said that General Bowes advanced a second
time to the storhi after his wounds were dressed, c..n--
%tarp to the opinion of General CLINTON, who was in
the great square, giving orders: at the time that Ge-
neral Bowes receive.l bis wound, Colonel HINDS" of
the 82d, WAS in the aeost imminent danger. After
General CLINTON had Ordered a retreat, and thought
it impracticable to get ear men on, that gallant young
Officer, Sir Geonne COLQUAIOUN, continued to ad-
vance, cheering his mos and leading them cn, and
there was an appearance of his having succeeded, for
be had led the men beyaad the ditch, and when his
bid, was found it was far advanced. Never was an
Officer more deeply and universally regretted than
Sir Geoacut COLQUISOON ?tae been by the army ; he
• was a young officer of the greatest promise, and was
literally adored by his eilwn regiment, the Queen's.:—
MajOr HUBBART was estemtded close by Gen. BOWES',
a soldier who carried Min off on his back, heard the
cries of General Bowen near the spot, but be found it
impoasible to teturn.

Wednesday evening, about six o'clock, the Qum:,
Princesses ELIZABETH Blld MARY, arrived at Carl-
ton House, wuere they were received in all due form
and respect by his Royal Highness the PRINCE RE-
GENT, who conducted them to the Octagon Room,
which was fitted up nearly in the same style as for
tke entertainment given to the Knights of the Gar-
terew hre a sumptuous dinner was served up. The
Dukes of YORK. CLARENCE, CUSIBILELAND, KENT, and•l
Sussox, Ladies HARCOURT, CATIICART, MIS. HOWE,
/CC vk ere oi Vic party. Tnerewere aiso present,
The Marquis and Marchioness of Winchester, 'be Marquis
and Maidstone's' of Hertford, the Earl and Countess of Choi-
ylloodyky, the Dula of Montreal. the Earl and Countess of Li.
verpool, Lord and lady Cassia reap, Lord Melville, Earl of
Westmoreland, Earl Bathurst. Earl Powis, Lord awe, Poi
Morton. Lord Cathcart. Colonels mid Torrens, Cre-
wed Hauser. I C. Spews. Colima& Casereve, General
IC, Mn. Belding. Mr• ale Mr% C. Wood Maros
tau, General Stems, Earl COMP, Rol Mucha-
-4l Lor4 St. Hikes, eushorel Sir tai Mr,

AMERMA,

From a New-York Paper received by the last ar-
rival from America at Liverpor)l, we learn, that a
Memorial from the Inhabitants of New-York, praying
for Peace and Commerce, having been presented to
Congress ; a keen debate ensued, when, strange to
tell, there was a majority of 116 for adhering to a
pacific line of conduct. The numbers for War were
' 240—for Peace 106 ; a striking proof of the vacilla-
tion of the American politicians.
The following is the Memorial alluded to :
"TO Till NONDURABLE MIL lINATR AND liOllllE Of 1110111•
BRNTATIVLS Of Tat UNITED STATER Of ADIRRICA, Ps

CONGBASS ASSZMELED.
" The Memorial of the Subseriben, Citizens of the United
States, residing in New York, respectfully •heweth—

" That your Memorialists, having, in common with their fel-
low citizens, a just regard for the honour, reputation, and interest
of their Country, and yielding to none in patriotic zeal and ata
tion, will be ready to encounter every danger, and endure every
mating, width the public safety and exigencies may at any
time require.
" Your Memorialists, nevertheless, consider war In itself as a
dreadful calamity, which (even in a just cause) should never be
resorted re, except from necessity, and with a reasonable expec-
tation of success.

" Your Memorialists, therefore, have learnt, with the deepest
and unaffected concern, that measures are now depending before
your Honourable Body, by which a war between this country
and one of the European Belligerents is soon to be declared.
" Against a measure fraught with so many evils, and so per.
nicious, your Memorialists think it their duty to remonstrate,
in the most respectful but earnest manner.
" As free Citizens, they are entitled to express their semi.
malts openly to the Representatives of the People; and from the
especial risks to which they are exposed, and the losses which
they must inevitably sustain if the expected war should take
place, they are particularly impelled to do so.
" They, therefore, entreat your Henourable to take this
subject into your most serious consideration Bodya to preserve
peace between this country and all los eign nations, as ion as the
honour and independence of this country will admit.
" And your Memorialists shall ever pray," &c. &c.

Quebec Gazettes to the 15th May, state, that the
preparations for attack on the part of the United
States, have occasioned considerable bustle among
the Military, and led to the adopting of several mea-
sures, among which were an enrolment of the inha-
bitants on the frontier districts, and the raising of
two Volunteer Regiments of Voltigeurs at Quebec
and Montreal.

So great was the scarcity of forage in the neighbour-
hood of Quebec in May, that the inhabitants had re-
sorted to the miserable expedient of taking the thatch
off their barns to give to their cattle to prevent them
from perishing.—Hay was 38 dollars for 100 bundles,
weighing 161bs. each.

NAVAL INTELLIG.P.NCE.

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LONDON.'
THURSDAY, JULY 23.
PRICE OF STOCKS TIIIS DAY AT ONE O'CL(
3 per Ct. Red. SOH 0--Cons. opg. 54
4 per Ct. 73,14-5 per Ct. 871813 87i—Bank Stock -
Bonds 12s. ISi.dis.-om. If 411--Bk. Long Anne. 14
Bich. RUIZ (Sid.) Is. d:s. par—Del (Std.) G. 7s. as.
The MeLromeNe frigate, the arrival of wli
Plymouth from Lisbon we noticed yesterda]
brought intelligence from Head-quarters two
later than Earl WELLINGTON'S last dispatches
Lordship had advanced from Fuente la Pena to
a station still further on the way to Valladolid,
MARMONT is supposed to be, and where his Lc
will no doubt attack him. From the direci
which the British army is cautiously marchii
movements of Solna. or any other General fr,
south, and even the retreat of KING JOSEPH a
remains of his army from Madrid, will be se
impeded, if not interrupted.
The MELPOMENE has brought over the fol
Officers, viz : Major-Gen. Kvarr, severely +no
at the assault of Badajos ; Lieutenant-Colonel
311ELAIN, of the 241 th, sick ; Lieutenant'.(
XIMINES ; Captain BURKE, of the 4th or King'
wounded in the leg at Badajos; Captain Liv,in
of the 60th, wounded in the arm ; Lieutenant
NERS, of the 95th, wounded in the knee ; Liet
MADDEN, of the 43d, wounded in the arts
Lieutenant BROWN, wounded in the leg. Tho
pomace also brought over 118 disabled Fren
goners (principally in the affair of Busaco),
Is said to be the intention of Government to
over to Morlaix, without any conditions or stipul
for any of our own troops to be received in en
for them—A generous and humane measure,
we cannot sufficiently applaud, and trust it
met by a corresponding disposition on the
the Frene.ll Government, and tend to the r
and successful termination of the so much
for general exchange both of our own troop
those of our allies.
We have just received a letter from Sir Ro
HILL's army, dated on the field, at Albuer,
21, the French army drawn up opposite, and
tion expected to take place oa the 22d. In(
Spaniards and Portuguese, General HILL had
the French 26,000.
General D'UaaAn, commanding 2000
guese cavalry, and al ABADIA, 20,000
! infantry, were movie down on Zamora, and
ral MENDEZABEL wjj moving on Valladolid
Most interesting accocnts may be expected.
By letters from Lisbon, we find that the $.
giment in the highest order had arrived from 1
and the 82d, 1100 -.strong, brought.to the
, pitch of discipline, st Gen. CAMPBELL, at Gil
These two reg men till* well as Gen. ENGLAND'S
giment, the sth, andlhafts from different regim
all about 6000 mei'. are about to set out
march to join Lord LINGTON, in Spain.
General D'UtulA . 'th the Portuguese c.
and General ABADlA*Spanish army ate at 1
and General MEN DIMIBEL'S army near Vella&
The French army are very numerous, ant
ly Frenchmen ; the feigners have been, b)
MoNT, placed in the rear of his army, that the)
Dot desert to us. On the 25th a French Captait
in, who gave information which proved true,
great value to Earl WittLescrroN.
It is said that General Bowes advanced a
time to the store after his wounds were dressed
%tarp to the opinion of General CLINTON, who
the great square, giving orders: at the time th
neral Bowel receive.l his wound, Colonel Ho
the 32d, was in the most imminent danger.
General CLINTON had hollered a retreat, and to
it impracticable to get our men on, that gallant
Officer, Sir Geonott COLQUHOUN, continued
Tame, cheering his mss and leading them Lt
there was an appearance of his having succeed
be had led the men bsymd the ditch, and w
bddy was found it was far advanced. Never
Officer more deeply and universally regrette
Sir German COLQUHOON ItEse been by the are
• was a young officer of the greatest promise, at
literally adored by his Clem regiment, the Que
Major HUBBART was wilonstded close by Gen.
a soldier who carried Mon off on his back, he
cries of General Bowie near the spot, but be f
impossible to return.
Wednesday evening, about six o'clock, the 1
Princesses ELIZABETH and MARY, arrived at
ton House, where they were received in all du
and respect by his Royal Highness the PRIM
GENT, who conducted them to the Octagon
which was fitted up nearly in the same style
the entertainment given to the Knights of th
tereeh re a sumptuous dinner was served up.
Dukes of YORK, C LARENCE, C LSIBILELAND, KEt
Sussex, Ladies HARCOURT, CATIICART, Mrs.
/cc vk ere of the party. Tnere were aiso press
The Marquis and Marchlooese of Winchester, 'he
and Mai atones* of Hertford, the Earl and Countess I
mongrley, the Duke of Moutons. the Earl and Countt
verpool, Lord and lady Calash me, Lord Melville,
weemereiand, earl Bathurst. Earl Pools, Lord CII
Morton, Lord Cathcart. Calomel* Sloomlield ma Torn
surd prgooorro, 1 cid C. Spades. Colleted Ceogreve,
eel, Mrs. Fielding, Mr. ea Mrs. C. woo,
sou, General Stems, Eprl Cooks, EGO
414 1, 1.0f4 St. Hakes, 114 n Sue, See