Star.
London, England, 1831-09-07 00:00:00

BISHOPRICI OP DERRY.

Mr. HUhIE oiii;tiol7lgh he was anxious not to belay the
progress of the reform bill, he would not longer delay the
motion of which he had given notice, respecting the revenues
of the vaamt see of Derry, unless the noble lord opposite
could give some assurance that Government would consider
the subject.
Lord ALTHORP said it was his opinion that the re-
venue of the See of Derry was a subject well worthy of the
consideration of Government, and accordingly it was taken
into consideration. It appeased to him that the Revenues
of the Protestant Church should not b.: diverted to any
other purpose ; bat that an improvement might be made in
the distribution. This wzs the opinion of Government,
but it was thought th:.t such an alteration should be made
on a general principle ; it ras, therefore, determined that
the person now to be appointed to the See of Derry should
have notice that the revenues might at any time be made the
subject of arrangement. lie hoped this would be satisfac-
tory to the Honourable Gentleman, and prevent hi; bring-
ing forward any motion on the subject at preseut.—(glean).
Mr. IIU3IR said the information given by the wide lord
was highly satisfactory. He was glad to bear that it was
intended to make a general arrangement of the church reve-
nue of Ireland ; and should not bring forward any motion
on the suLject lest he miblit do harm instead of gout'.

QITAA•NTINE TEES.
Mr. Ald. THOMPaiON said be could no longer delay
bringing forward the stibizet of which he had given nixie,
respecting the ch-sge of 51. 14s. Cal. made on every vessel
befit.: she could be ill-charged from qoaraotinc. (Ilear.)
—Hz thought dic est:1,11011.ml of varatithic was yreifectly
just and reasonable ; but it was obvious it imposed a heavy
loss the shipping inter:-t. (Hear.) Thz ownets had
the captain anti *crew to maintain during the time they were
under quarantine ; ;mei he thought ships were caller
entitled to .'emurrsg.. for the v.hiell was inc. osed fry.
the public good, in a.'elitits, to the loss of tim", be
charged a heavy fee, t.hiell littri,g the przteut Quiarantin..
amounted to 25.0001. It was the intemion of Foreign
Trade Committee t! the 8141)111 interest ther.lo b. ex-
empt from this eitarge.—There was no such charge 1•1211.! in
Denmark or Sweden, and he thought it should not be al.
lowed to continue a moment in this country. The Hon
Gentleman moved that it is inexpeideut to subj,ct vessels.
subjected to Quarantine to a charge of 51. 14s. Ott for at:
order of release from the Privy Council.
Mr. DIXON seconil..il the motion. The fee was a heavy
charge on a suffering interest.
3lr. P. THO NISt 0N aid nut third, the tax fell on th; ship-
plug interest, because the shipowner would add it to the
freight, and it must eventually full on the consumer; but he
thought it an impolitic means of raising a revenue, and he
was tot able to discover on what ground the charge was al-
loyed to be continued by the Foreign Trade Committee.—
If the House was willing tha. the expcns.: of the quarantine
Vliuuld be paid out of the general revenue rzther than raised
on particular parties, Ministers were perfectly willing to make
the arratigioent. The whole expense of quarantine wasabe ut
3,0001. a year on the average, of which ail hut about 6,0001.
was rai,z.l by this tax, whit ie Government were perfectly
ling should be abolished. Some vessels had keit citartered
with the knowled c that day would be solijcct to quarantine
fees, and if it were a delettly taken off it would be given
those }croons the benefit at the expen.e of the Hz
believed the charge fir. quarantine would this year he
'wavy, ;aid he thum.tht the house, while they adopted the
principle, would nut think it expedient to carry it into
effect immeitiately. Ile knew of no country in which the
quarantine fees were so light as hi this. He thought they
should not be removed till the beginning of the next
rear, whet, all the present contracts fur freigitts would have
terminated. - _

Mr. WARBURTON thought the charge should be taken
off hnoiediately to prevent the Evasion of quaranlin: laws ;
besides it was a partial tax, as it was the 'ante oo thc small-
est vessel as the largest. He thought it ought at once to be
taken oft'. (Hear.)
Mr. 51ABEItLV thought Government had iret the
question fairly, and were justified in delaying to take off the
charge till Ja, matt'.
lilr. HUM I. thought not 0.-ly th the tax shieild betake,
off immediakly, but that theist taw hail paid it should be
reimbursett it wall all illegal .ax, and if b. hal a ship an
charged tee would resist it. It was no. the origin of Ili:: fees to
pay the expense of quarantine ; they had been first granted
to Individuals. The Foreign Trade Cemmittee recom-
mended that all those fees should be; bolished, and the ac
passed on that report did not authuris; the payment of these
fees. Abolishing the fees vow would b.. but half justice.—
He hoped the noble lord would consider that be was nnw in
possession of 25,0001. to which he was nut entitled, and that
he would restore it to the right owners. (A laugh.) The
noble lord could not be so hard-hearted as to refuse the prayer
of persons who only asked their right. He was satisfied that
after the Baltic ships paid all their expenses there was not a
shilling lift.
ME. Rs sBI NSON entreated the Government to abolish
the charg: from the present day.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY thought it would be consistent with
justice and policy to take off the tax from the present mo-
ment, and it would add to the favour of the repeal.
Lord O. BENTINCK expressed his hope that government
would abolish the tax without delay.
Lord ALTHORP agreed in the principle that the tax
should be repealed; but be thought, as tile vessels now In
the Baltic had made their contracts fur freigh. subject to the
tax, it would be more just to delay the abolition tiU after
those vessels should have returned.

-111r.AlderQnYijailiiiiiiiaid the shipping interest
felt the injustice of the tax so strongly, that they had in-
structed him to persevere, and he should divide the house.
The house divided—
Ayes .. ...
Noss ...

Majority against the motion.. 44
NATIONAL BAWL OF SCOTLAND CHARTER.

Mr. DERitIES said he wished to call the attention of
Jae house to the charter of the Bank of Scotland, which had
been granted without conditions non thought necessary. He
wished to have the charter brought before the house,diet
it might afford information when the great question f tha
banking system should bt brought before the house. Th,
charter omitted to require an account of the no rs of the
Bank In circulation, and also the amount of capital on
which it traded. In 1829, the Royal Bank of Scotland
applied for power to add 500,0001. to their capital, which
was granted on the condition that the full sum should be
be paid up, and that they should return all account of the
amount of their notes in circulation ; with both of which
conditions they cheerfully complied ; and he thought the
National Bank should be subject to the same conditions.
He moved fo, an athlrevs to his .51ajesty, to order a copy of
of the charter of the National Bank of Scotland to be Laid be-
fore the house ; and also a copy of the deed of copartnership
of the proprietors.
The LORD ADVOCATE said, there was no objectiou
on the part of the Government to the production of the do.
cuments moved for.

Mr. HUMS asked, whether the Right Hon. Gent. meant
to propose any alteration in the existing charter.
Mr. HERItIES said, he had no intention to propose an
alteration in an existing charter.
Mr. MABRRLY said, as almost all charters were in.
jurious to the pLillie, the House should be exceedingly care-
ful how they consented to grant charters. He thought it
was advisable to allow companies to sue and be sued in the
name of an individual.

Sir E. SUolliirssid, there was a growing desire in
companies to become corporations, and to become possessed
of real estate; the consequence of which would be, if al-
lowed, that every ho..se in the city would belong to a cot-
position. Another effect was, that such corporations
started with a large nominal capital, but a very small real
one.

The resolution was agreed to.
STEAM-BOAT NAVIGATION.
COI. SIBTHORPE said, a sane of paramount duty coin.
pelted biro to bring forward the motion of which he had given
notice, for the prevention of those melancholy calamities
that so often took place, by the loss of steam-packets. He
had many documents to prove that tlie loss of the ltothsay
Castle steamer was to be attributed to the most culpable
negligence. If not on the part of the owners from insuf.
fluent outfit, certainly on the part of one who wu now be.
yond the reach of human power. He heard with surprise
and regret, from the Secretary of War, that those packets
were allowed, by the terms of their contract with the Govern-
ment, to hold themselves out to the public as his Majesty's
War-office packeu. That fact made investigation on the part
of Government ten-fold necessary. (Hear.) He had been
told that such catastrophes did not often happen ; but even
if it happened but once, it should be inquired into for the
purpose of prevention. (Hear.) In 1817, 1819, and 1810,
committees sat on the subject of the explosions that had
taken place in steam-packets, without coming to any defini-
tive result; but he thought that was not a sufficient reason
for not taking the subject he had to propose into considers.
ion. He had two dearly beloved relatives on board the

Rothsay Castle, who were induced to give that vessel the
preference, in consequence of her being a War-office packet.
Ile hoped Government would agree in his motion, if it were
only to allay the wounded feelings of the suffering sur-
vivors. He moved that a committee be appointed to take
into amsic'eration the calamities by steam navigation, and
the best means of guarding against their recurrence.
Mr. LAMB said he felt great pleasure in agreeing to the
motion, though be was not very sanguine of any great result
from their labours ; but it was due to the feLlings the
afflicted survivors to appoint the committee.
The resolution was agreed to and the committee appointed.
Mr. CRORER asked rant was the intention of the noble
lord respecting proceeding with the Scotch and Irish reform
bills.

Lord ALTHORP said the second reining of the Scotch
reform bill stood for 3looday se'm fight, and is was his in-
tention it should be read then, if it did not iiitcrftre with
the English bill, in which case lie should propose 0 : second
rradhi:; as soon as the English bill was disposed of.

CORONATION.
Mr. HUNT said, in bringing forward the motion of which
he had given notice, for an address to his Majesty to dis-
charge all mum debtors by au act of grow, on occasion of
his 111:tjesty's Coronation, he dill hot think he was propos-1
ing thing injorims to the reverine, u nothing was ever
got frem those debtors, must of whom were smusslers ; and
it would release the counties from the charg of maintain-
ing themselves. their wives, and children. Ilc knew an
;nowise, in wide. a farina Li vtimers.tshire d been
imprisoned sixties years fur acm An debt 301. thirinj
which time h: cost tic coonty 301. tt year for !ii s support.
Ther: were also many suffering all the lio.rors of L.oprision-
mutt from inability to pay th.ie fees. He r. add be gh.d it
th: übject had been taken up by his Majesty's Ministers;
but he hoped his having taken it in hand would not prevent
its being agreed to. Th: Hon. Member said he knew that
there were many poor persons in coninetnent who were de-
tained becaw: they were without th_ means of paying their
gaol fees. He concluded with moving ihi.t au humble Ad-
dress b: resented to his Majesty, pr.ling for an Act oi
Grace to be extended to all Crown debtors on th • approach-
ing Colutiation.

Mr. HUM R approved of the motion.
Lord i.T:t .ftP objected to th: form of the
ihotion. Tu ester 4an Act of Urac: to dl Crown debtors
would be too extmvugatit a measure, but he also thooght it
would take from thc weight of the Art of Grace, should his
Majesty b.: induced to grant it o r the application of that
House. He suggested the propri:ty of waving it entirely
in the hand. of his Majesty.
Me. HUNT, after a short convrrsztion, in accordance
with thc suggestion of the isiuble Chancellor of the Exche-
quer, withdrew his motim.
Mr. HUNT then moved that the House do rads,: itself
into a Committee of the wholz House nn Friday next, fot
the purpose of taking into consideration the voting a gum cf
money to procure the discharg: of persons v.im were impri-
soned for small debts. He mad: the motion on the approach.
ing Coronation, that it nrigl.t make the rejoicing inuee gem.
rah lle understood that it was irr:golar to name any sum.
He would *nerdy locution that tic thought 30.0001. or
40,0001. might lie thu, appropriated, or at all events
24,0001. w; Mb was the price of the King's rube at the last
coronation. If any of his Majesty's Ministers would dive
him the slightest intimation, the Iron. Member would be
happy to resign the motion to their care.
Sir C. FORBES seconded thc proposal of the honourable
member.

Lord ALTHORP, on the motion being put from the
chi.ir, remarked, that he considered it not a proper object to
call upon the public expenditure for, as i► was hider for the
subject of a private charity.
Mr. II UhIR, while he approvzd of the humane feeling
that might suggest suet a motion, was decidedly of °Ohio°
that the public mo..:y could not be thus expended.
Mr. HUNT regretted that the motion could nut be carried
into effect, and consented to withdraw it.
The r •port, for the purpose of empowering the Commis.
si ners of MS Majesty's Treasury to defray the expenses of
barristers in making up the list of voters, was brought up
and received.