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London, England, 1804-04-11 00:00:00

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r' piwievering oppolli ion that has bees made to it. Many
of the atgurnents have turned upon verbal niceties
and altercation, end I really think, my Lords, that
much time, that could have been be Um( employed, has
been c,onfituted in the confider ''' ' or thew. I
- that confidence in his Majelles• • • Well
- iren their pet font who WI lie ••“...1 •
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f.:" provifions of be
Volunteer 07 ,
unt
ibdoeibts may trite tipon din is ••• pox*
..esilar clan*, it will be folopprelep and ea-
'l they to the advantage of the intfisr ' ..thinha
;lief. entitled to a benefit from it. my I
I. • be allowed to tits my opinion, without re en.
to any thing tUr has been heretafore Cala ei-
•, here or Neither., on the &grin of efficiency
- ,the Volotifetts are capable of, I am decided,
li • referting them to an armed peafantry. They,
it my judgment, poffefs a competent degree of
=toe, and eartainly may be incorporated with
.
admaseuge either with the Army or Militia.
Dada, 101 l Lords, I mach doubt whether it be poi.-
ilie td Orin [tie peefantry to the extent that has
Oa ',tontine:tided, with that celerity that would
hna'bie us to reap the full advantage of their Cervices.
Even the Volunteers, as I am Informed, are very
far from being completely armed. My Lords, at
an eitrikr period of the prefent &Mon, I took an
opportuoity of fubmitting, as a military man, Come
ideas to your Lerilthips, as to what I conceive se-
cefary to be done for the more complete defence
of the country : and it is with much regret I have
perceived that none of them have been deemed defery
log of the notice of his Majelly's Minifters. I re-
commended the enabliUsrnetit of a central depot, to
which (even or eight thoufand men thould periodi.
gaily repair, there to be inflrndled in military''
. trollies, under the command of a well informed and
experienced Staff. The advantages of even that
inadequate &ire of difeipline would be loon vifible,
both in the officers and privates, and particularly in
the ratirlif, who, in my opinion have much greater
oecafion for inartiaion than thole they command.—
There is alfo another part of our defence which. in
my judgment Mini:leis have not contidered, as they
Mould have done: I allude, my Lords, to the pi inciplc
of limitation in the Volunteer Sydern. The mari-
time counties, die moll espofed and the mul liable
to attack, ale governed by .he lime rules in this
rent& that tl, ir.land countie, ate. an error in my
suind pregnant with daozer, and wh:.:11 cannot be too
fools correeted. I alto recommended the conitruc.
Lion of manilla towers, and illuarated the immenfc
advantages of tacit a mode of fortification, by the
oircomkance that a fcrjeant and twelve men work-
ing a tingle gun in one of them had defeated an
Englifh (Lip of the line and a 4.1. gun frigate. In.
Read of reporting to that cheap and of eetual mode
of defence, his Majcity's Government, at lead the
military part of it, have with immente laboar and
vxpence conarueled lines of citeumvallation, which,
a fiddler and all linglidnaii, 1 sun happy to hear
'e crumbling daily into ru,nr.—My Lords, if thole
Lore duty it is to proside for the defence of the
,nntry,l,,r the mccioo.:cal past ..1 it I thou's' fay,
id aelcd a; they tl-,11.1 ::site done, they would
,me crated —ttrsitet 4. lesti.,, ;.,:Tier, L.:.>, 1)of

fetfliirer Devintfhlre.riYa4hire, and tit
Whie,)r Newkafile is, . A competent garlfoo
in each 'it theft forts woo cistiore occupied ,et aottfi-
deraide ,portion of the enemy's troops, mut if they.
could cot eventually hate maintained thelletogori
hare effected at leaf' that which, in all militarripeo.
rations, Lad the stencil conAquenee, namely, cre-
ating • greatlofs Of timp_co tdtat jacking army. There
is stiklittiotkerralteedurettl which I think there hubeen
much fltameful and tannecerary profulion, I mean
the article sf barracks. in the tonartretion of which
two millions have been already expended, and to
com`pleke which aearly an equal expense mull be in,
euricit The Government, my Lords, could have
provided bane, for the acconsmodation and iontfort
of the foldier, at one.filth die expellee, bad' the
retorted to the praeice of 'hutting, fuch as *at c
tomary during the American star. In tome placei
where they haddeterminedon building barracks, they
have abandoned the plan, and left them half con-
(hurled, becaufe they at length perceived that the ft-
ttiations were too expofed, and that they were likely,
in cafe of invafion, to prove rather an accommoda-
tion to the enemy than to our own troops. When,
my Lordi, I (peak in approbation of that degree of die
cipline which the Volunteers have obtained, let it not
be thought that I undervalue the ettertions of an
armed peafantry. I know from experience how for-
midable the attacks of an armed population, poi
ferret great. lona' information, acquainted with
eiery hedge. rivolet, and green lane, may bee.—
Whenl ermunanded the brigade of Guards in Ante-
rica..l was oil more than one occaiion compelled by
the men in eehirefi‘ea (the militia of that country,
or, as we would tall them. the armed peafantry)
and fometimes by an inferior number of them. to
a precipitate, and not uufrequently, a difficult
retreat, and there was not a man under my corn.
mind who would not have rather encountered the
IVnot the American Army. than that partieto
O iption of force. As to the ufe chit may be
made of bodies of men of that charaaer and organ.
tatien, I fully agree, with an Hon. Officer in -rum-
Houfe (his Lordthip, we believe, alluded to
Cokes' Creature!) with whom I have not the honour
Of hems acquainted, and who, I hear with regret. is I
not employed. There is a Noble Friend of mine. !,
wean Lord Moira, to whom Government has at lalt
Non& proper to give a command, but how have
AO treated that noble and excellent Commander
Why, although be is intefied with the chief cont.
spend of the northern part d the ifland, they have
not thought proper to give hint any of the privileges
thit.dually accompany it. They have been lavith
where they Should have been parlimonious, and have
:been parfisnonioes where they fbanid have been lib*.
ral. When they had an opportunity of manifefting
fftrh fenfe of that Noble Lord's fesiices and great ms
-Bowl falsOnVbef needled it. sod confer red the corn-1
mand of a vacant regiment 0* *junior officer. Tire
only commutation my Noble Friend has ever bed fat
all his labours in tupporting the littered' and mails-
taining the honour of his country. has been a Gait
nersiroffpey, a paltry two hundred pounds a year.
Whets be commanded the army at Southampton, be
was rearifted, from what motives I cannot tell, as
much in point of patronage as he is at prefente and
when he refigned that command, he was not lets thin
ten thoufand pounds out of pocket by the honour
I that had been conferred on him. Minilters may fay,
and I know it has been Paid, that there was no ne-
eau for the Noble Lord to involve hitdelf in fodt
expense; but to this I will entwer, that the liberal
nature of my Noble Friend could not bear to fee the
poor emigrants, by whom he was furrounded, nary-
hag on the miferabie allowance that they drew froen
Government ; that his expenses were incurred in
feeditgrand fupporting thou, and that. therefore, it
ant to be wandered at if his fortune. great as it
was. was too little for his generous and compeffionate
mini: I do not with, to trefpafs longer on your
Lord/Ripe attentios. I am 'mare that on a qacflion
of this delicausnature it may be argued, that coat-.
durable confidence Otould be pieced in the exertions i
and emotions of the Executive Government. I troll,
erly Lords. I antis little Dente as eny of you Non'
entertaining an improper Oro% of Audi who are•
bonoored with his Ma}efly's confidence, but I CU I
not. through the radio& of confidence. endanger the
feisty of the country. I fay, my Lords, is the great
and venerable Earl of Chadian% did formerly in this
Hoof, : Confidence is a plant of flow growth in an
aged botora.' I ffiall not occupy any more of your
Lordfhip's time, but move. That a Committee be
appointed to provide for the defence of the country,
and forenquiring into the preparations that have been
made to meet the menaced delver."
Lord IIAWKESBURY.—" My Lords. I
occupy but a very (mall portion of your time, which,
I conceive, would be much better employed in dif-
cuffing and perfecting that Bill, which toms part of
oar national defence, and the adjourned conficieratioo
of which i. fixed for this day. If the Noble Lord had
urged one tingle reafon to jollity the appointment of
fuch Committee as he has moved for, I Ihnuld have
felt it my duty to Rate at large, to your Lordfhips,
my rea f. in a for opporing his motion, and the ground.
upon I have formed my convittion, that a
Parliamentary Committee is not the moll prafticable
mode of obtaining thofe refolts the Noble Earl teem,
to aim at. The military defence of the country has
been minified by a competent power to the care of
the Commander in Chief; and Why be guilty of mit.
condo R, he is as liable to cenfure and removal as
any of has Majedy's Minifiers. He is refponfible for
his conduel, and may be called to account fur it.
am perfuaded the Illuiltioos Perfon who fills that
office does and will always avail hirnfelf of the advice
and cape:ience of thole whom he flipprifer moll com-
petent to give him information, and I conceive is
would neither be prudent or decorous in Parliament
to inteticre, except upon very extraordinary and un-
expeacd circumllances indeed. I mull, therefore,
my give my negative to the motion of the
Noble Earl, for the cesium I have before Rated, that
he he has made out no cafe, and that he has affigned
no good grounds for the appointment of fuch a Com-
mitter.

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I.otti GRF.NV i'qr,r,eited to tllcir I.rwrdihipa
tl,r rr• I.: :ty ct tll7 v• 11 cl.tgl- in the f ni-
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tkit VOlOnteers re Ting to a diftanieTroM the alt-
.*, tVithich.they etnerlibelooged, roar obtain a
cete from the obanspaler Of the Corps *hie
. have been un4r the hicersty .4 ititittings and
j
isfq
Air another Corps ip the.plarate.whieh they had
Tethered. The alnesoloseat wate._eajealated to make
the MSS of the clank more deftifte and clear by
'taldig
.out the (fiords H a Magee,' and infecting
4. the diftance of fig in elifffe of infantry, and .twelve
miles for cavalry." Upett this their Lordfhipsdivicb
ed—For the original chtate n.---For the isneldnienk
7.--Majority :S. .
On the Tubjea of the Oath which the Bill etijoittis
Volunteers or Yeomen 6 tate, Lord Greoville pd.
(erred that Rich a tell as that bound no man to al
particular Allegiance beyond that, which every goo
and loyal min already welt& to the State, arid wool
feel himfelf inclined to to *hell his fuPperl Seat
required. He theinght ft arai wrong te murtiplt
theft facred tells tmaeceferily. No amendment,
however, took place-in that art of the Bill.
& The clan whle4t tub' s adjutant's, !edemas,
drummers, farrieri, and e perfons receiving pay,
bau4to military law, was de at confidetable length.
Lord GRENVILLE &jaded particularly to the
farriers being made Bible tb fetter military plod&
meet, as they Wm+ ih geobral not military men, or
perlons who bad been formerly attached to a military
body, but were men whom loyalty and teal for the
defence of the country had inchreed to oCcr their kr-
vices in whatever way thPy Might be confidered molt
Weill. The whole of the feventies and military dif-
eipline he wilhod to be removed, in fad, in order
that it might not be Paid that te set of within y last
was tail over our Voltniteer Crept ; but, with a vied
of meeting
_as much as podible the willies of the
Noble Lords who might differ from him in opinion,
he ihopid move only that the &tote. &mild be
amended by the inferti.on of the words " paid hy
his hfiriellyi" indeed of H receiving pay." '
The LORD CHANCELLOR defended the ge-
neral terms ache 40410 expiefted his ctsfappro-
hatioo of the site of futh term; is a net rii mutiny law.
The flask divided. ,rind the claufe was loft by a
a...jerky of 4s to ; t.
lu the elide Which declares that Yeomanry or
1 Voloareer Corps, Whits mit on military duty for a'
few weeks, tall be faked tomilkar) lam, the word
Yeomanry was, on the linden of Laid Grenville,
.! omitted, as it was advnittedihat they were not tub.
',Oa to Inch difeiptine lel variant no ill confequences
, refaced from the cirennallance of their being out on
duty without fuels rigour. •
The chafe which relates to the large of mem-
.
hers of Volunteer Corp! (rah the fetrice. alto OCCa.,
finned fume difeufftl on and as froth,
o'clock the for-
, . dia confideration of it was pulponed till wow-row.

•
HOUSE OF
Sir JOHN ANDERSON the Re * le &ROM.
matter on the Tentei-biir inipre"edftint Bill. siAls ores teed
*bittern and ;need.
Monied BERKELEY bisingist In Ilie for NAP* certain
Zambia the County deekincefterthitiZehome rail a Brit and
faond thitt, and d.da to be ea
Mr. MEANS, from the Chief Secretary of States rißliefor
trebled, prokited at tied bar an Artoote, fiktnerty reeved for, of
the Pelmets made to Hilf-pay 'Olken of Ireland. knee the
Union I *skirl' was ordered to be primed for the Ufe of tile
Members.
Mr. LAWRENCE BROWN broltbt op the Report of this
Committee appointed to take Infotbier todflderation the jpland
Navigation sal balsas the Ethan Yd Weftern Seas by Inver.
oafs, which was ordered to be pelted and to be taken into the
confidenstiem of the Hook as Friday fennight.
Mr. CORRY tare *lee that he would potpies his motkki re-
f's:ling eie iti& Ce Circa:Woo Mil Thareny amt.
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not doubt hot st would, maga wint all neceffary ei
. colgratenteat from Isis Majefty's braninerg.
. , DRr coca Of Tils cOurrrat. • • -
' 2. I''Marl4 gt.TFFOLK ro4 and 4poke nearly i
.., , Weirs :—.4! My Lords, not bav*g btenjt ,Thc.How
the,fecond reading if the Volunteer BM, as I gm
il ' id by indirpotition to leave it at Alse.ison
' segment of the debate, I was prevestedfrom gI
1 ' gay fentiments on the principle of that Billy
&Metore taken this opportusuy of istroducia
'on, in difeilifing which, I may, without at
In tropriety, allude to that (Ans. on the meri
'itif which I was aceidentally prevented from givin
any opinion. There is not, rqy Lords, any one 1
this kingdosi. who *ore highly approves of tl
great and leadlit Orinciple upon whirls the Volu
in
met force has been inahlithed than I •do. I full
-.ploCerate in every Seat tO the g and patriot
Ilvirit by whichthat adMirible bodybodof ant' has boo
e' ideated ; and if there be trivial Weds in its mpg
- tuition, I trull that a little expence and the worth
'O, of she Leginature sin remedy them. Althongh, s
''.• Lords, T admit that there are Tome incontinencies
y- drat fynent, yet I am far from concurring in th