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tion to have done so?—(We understood the witness to answer
in the affirmative.)
I ask you how you can reconcile your having now said that
you believe Sheriff Thorpe had changed his mind relative to the
putting of Mr. Poole's name on the panel, before Mr. Poole
applied to you on the subject, with what you have previously
stated ?—lt is only from what I have since beard that I have
formed that belief.
Do you not now believe to?—Yes, from what I have since
heard.

Do you not now believe so?—I do.
I now require to know if Sheriff Thorpe had changed his in-
tention before Poole applied to you, how could Poole's so apply-
ing be a reason why his name was put off the panel?—( Answer
inaudible.)
To the questions of Mr. Alderman Woos), witness stated,
that there were as many as four or five " Conciliation men"
oft the panel.
Re-examined by Mr. Pz.vsncriv.—lt is not an ordinary prac-
tice for she High Sheriff to take the business of striking the pa-
nels into his no/it hands. Never heard that Whistlr boasted of
having struck the panel in question himself.
By Sir J. Nswroar.— Was It Sheriff Thorpe's public dinner ;
did not recollect his saying that be should shape his conduct by
the wishes of those who Lad elected him • his words might imply
that meaning; knows the witness O'Reilly; knows also Mr.
Bradshaw, who lives in Mountjoy.square.
Serjeant Harris called in.
Examined by the Cumin's-N.—ls Troop Si.rjeant-Major of
Cie 7th Hussars. .

By Mr. J. Wltwars.—He entered as a private soldier into
the regiment, and was progressively promoted to the ranks of
corporal, serjeant, and serjeant-major; was examined before the
Grand Jury in Dublin after and respecting the riots in the The-
atre on the 14th December ; was examtued by as many as four
or five of the Jury.
In what manner was the examination of the witness conducted
by the Grand Jury ?—Not very courteously, indeed. (Hear.)
By Colonel 13aaay.—I objected to the rudeness of manner
with which I was treated. _ _

By a filianuta.-1 was several times at the Castle; not on
duty. I lave dined and supped at the Plicenix Park. I was
at the Theatre on the night of the riot; I went of my own ac-
cord, and paid for my admission. I was never spoken to by
Mr. Johnson,. and never bad any communication with him, di-
r:ctly or indirectly.
By Mr. BROWNLOW.—T was made serjeant-major since the
riot; but it was for prior good conduct. (Hear, hear.)
The witness withdrew; and Ryan was called, and ex-
amined by Mr. Wiwaass, as follows : I was before the Grand
Jury; was examined. At first I was examined by tbe Fore-
man, afterwards by others of the Jury; they spoke to me three
or four at once, in older, as I thought, to shake my testimony.
I complained of this treatment to the Foreman; I told him
was sworn, as they were themselves. I was speaking as to the
person of the man who threw the rattle. I denied that I had
expressed doubts as to the identity. When I came out I com-
plained, and heard others complain.
By (Mont: Baaay.—l am still certain of the identity of the
man who threw the rattle; I never heard that any other man
was so;posed to have thrown it; did not hear that Ormsby
threw it•

By Sir J. STIPVIAMT.—The Petty Jury did not convict the
man up an my statement, although the Grand Jury found a bill
upon it.
A cot, versation took place as to the propriety of asking this
witness a question, as to the local situation of the prisoner, Gra-
ham, in :he Theatre, on the night of the riot. The question was
admitted, and the witness, in answer, said Gtaham sat on the
front seat in the upper gallery; never heard that he sat anywhere
else; I think the rattle would have killed the Lord Lieutenant,
had it struck him from that short distance; I mean, considering
the force with which It was thrown.

The witness withdrew ; and O'Reilly was called in, and ex-
amined by Mr. Rice as follow,: I have bad some conversation
with Sheriff Cooper respecting Ilk evidence here ; the import of
it was his contradicting what I understood to have previously
takew place respecting the putting Poole on the Grand Jury; the
conversation was in the lobby.
By Colonel liawitv.--The original cot:venation about putting
Poole on the Jury was before the trial of the rioters.
• The witness withdrew; and _ _ _

Christopher Moran was called In, and examined by Mr. No-
LAN, as follows : I reside in Dublin ; I was before the Graved
Jury for live or six minutes ; I was asked if I had seen the bottle
thrown—l said no. I was Jest.' ihing the riot, and they said
" that would do." I was still about to go on, but they made
little of it, and again said " that would do." They prevented
me from telling what I knew, and sent me out of the room.

By Colonel was on the second (14 that I was ex-
amined. I don't know bow much they had beard before. I '
did not tell all that I intended to tell, because I was sent out of
the room. They found a bill against Matthew Handwich.
By Sir J. SEUIUGLIT.—I was about to state the manner in
which the man was apprehended, when I was interrupted.
By Mr. Goucivay.—lle had mentioned to several persons
before he came to that House what had passed before the Grand
Jury?—Fie mentioned it the. day after he had appeared before
the Grand Jury.
By Mr. NoLax.—The Grand Jury asked Mtn If be knew
any of the people concerned in the riot at the Theatre?—He
s:tid be did, and lie was ordered to withdraw before he could
state what he knew.
Colonel BARRY desired to be allowed to call witnesses in be-
half of the Sheriff. Witnesses had been called and examined
hitherto against him.
Nicholas Murray Mansfield was next called in. Ile stated
himself to be, in answer to the Chairman, the chief and only
clerk in the Sheriff's Office.

Examined by Colonel BA RRY.—lierecollected the Grand Jury
panel for January l8?5: he remembered it was nude out by a
list, drawn by Mr. Thorpe, subject to the revision of the other
Sheriff: he conceived the men upon it were men of respectabi-
lity : be had been between eight and nine years in the office, and
from his knowledge of the men usually on Grand Juries, he con-
sidered that Jury well selected to do justice between King and
Country : be had often heard both Sheriffs say, that men of vio-
lent party feelings ought not to be on the Jury : hr conceived
the majority of the Jury in question were moderate men. The
panel consisted of a smaller number than usual. The Er-Sheriffs
were always solicited to become Foremen of the Grand Jury,
but did not always accept it.
By a Mrstsca.—Do you not know that the Er-Sheriff for the
present year, Sir W. Smith, was a Conciliation man?—l never
heard him called so.

The queation h, not what you have heard; but whether you
do not know the fact to be as stated?-1 do not know the mean-
ing of the term.
Did you never hear the expression before ?—Yes ; but I never
knew what meaning to attach to it.
You know the meaning of the word " Conciliation ?"—Yes ;
but I have heard it applied to many whom I do not consider
to be such.

Wkotn then do you consider not to be Conciliation men?—
(The answer did not reach us.)
You know that the King's letter, Written on the occasion
of his late •isit to Ireland, recommended conciliation to two
parties, the Catholic and Orange parties, who were very vio-
lent ?—Yes.
_ . _

Can you not then conceive that a man belonging to either of
those parties conforming to the recommendation of that letter, and
abating somewhat of his party violence, may properly be called
a Conciliation man'—Yes.

I now ask you whether Sir Wm. Smith is not a Conciliation
man?—By inference of course he is—(A laugh).
By Mr. Bosse? SMITIL—The ordinary practice before the
year 1822 was, that the panel should be selected by the Sub..
Sheriff in ordinary cases, but in extraordinary cases the High
Sheriff struck the panel. It was once done by Sir Win. Smith,
and he was quite certain that in the nine years he had been in
office every Sheriff had struck one Jury at least.
By Mr. Ptuagarr.--He told Mr. Sheriff Thorpe, that the
persons selected were not strong party men. Strong feelings
were expressed in Dublin relative to the dressing of the statue
of King William. He knew considerable exertion had been
made by the Guild of Merchants, particularly in the November
Election, to send persons to the Corporation favourable to that
practice. He remembered a list of thirty-one persons being
circulated in that Guild, as " Good men to be elected in bad
times." He could not say whether they were recommended
because they were favourable to the dressing of the. statue.
Did not know what bad times meant, whether present or past.
Seven of the list were put on the Jury in question ; and he con-
sidered they were calm and dispassionate men fit for the duty;
the others he judged in the same way. He did not conceive a
sworn Orangeman was fit for that Jury. He bad no reason to
believe or disbelieve that Joseph Lamprey was an Orangeman.
lie knew Cusack to be a sworn Orangeman, and he would not