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London, England, 1815-02-21 00:00:00

have devised a nester expedient for saving the coon;
try? The National Debt was without all doubt 560
millions less than it would have been if this 3y:tern
had not been adopted. Without this Tax the coun-
try could not by possibility have gone on. There
was no class in the community but what hail been
more or less benefited by the consequences of this
Tax. He was convinced that the country had naa.:e
a bargain in giving up the Property Tax; (hear, hear.)
Mr. C. GRANT said, that the Right lion. Gentle.
man opposite (Mr. Tierney) supported a plan in
1807, for mortgaging all the War Taxes, sillich
surely was a measure of a more objectionable nature
than almost any other. The Property Tax had been
called unconstitutional: but surely no one would say
that Mr. Fox would have adopted an unconstitutional
Tax. It had been objected, that the Chancellor
the Exchequer had proposed his Taxes before NI •
Supply was gone into, or any statement made
what was to be the amount of our peace establi-1.-
ment. Now the fallacy of this argument was, that
they reasoned of this year as if it were one of peace,
when, in fact it was a year of war expenditure.
Mr. FREEMANTLE said, it was a 1 imentable
reflexion to think, that at the commencement of; peat:
the country was not to be relieved from the burden of
the War Taxes. The House ought not to vote aw4y
'eleven millions of the public money without
the whole of the Supplies before them. In 1796, th.:
expenditure was 141 millions; and now, when we
were at peace, we were to go on with an expenditure
of' between 50 and 60 millions. But we were doing.
this on a war establishment in Europe of 75,000 men.
Now he wanted to know when the country was to el-
pact the reduction of that force, which was main-
tained at more expense than all the wars of Marlbo-
borough and the Allies ? The House ought to know
what was to be the permanent peace establishment,
before they voted away more of the money of tl
People, that had been so burdened. It was hardly
48 hours ago that the Chancellor of the Exchequer
proposed to burden the People with £BOO,OOO lor a
new Post-office. This Government was one of lavish
and thoughtless expenditure. He would oppos.: the
measure in every stage.
Mr. HUSKISSON contended, that it was suicty
Parliamentary to proceed to vote the Ways and
Means before-voting the Supplies, when they could
not at that time be accurately ascertained. If the
consequence of this measure would be to take nine
millions off the People, that surely would be the
means of making the remaining taxes more, rather
than less, productive. It was impossible for his Right
Hon. Friend at present to calculate the expenses of
the peace establishment.
Mr. FOIL BES objected to the Postage on News-
papers, as it would fill very much on the Peopie of
Scotland, on whom a considerable addition in the
postage of letters had been already laid. He also
complained of the postage of India letters having
been taken from the East Itidia Company. There
were many letters lying at the Poit-office, directed
to soldiers in India, North America, and B ALIA- id,
because the postage of them had not been paid.
Mr. PONSONBY said, on the Report of the first
Resolution, he would take the sense of the House on
a proceeding, by which ,the Chancellor of the. Ex-
chequer called on the House to vote the public 'wary
first, and then to hear the supplies afterwards.
Lord MILTON wished to know if the Governor
of the Cape of Good Hope had a salary of iCIO,OOO
a-year ?
Mr. PEELE said, the salary of the Civil Governor
was limited to £12,000 a-year out of the funds of
the colony. If he was also Commander of the forces,
he of course bad the emoluments of it.
Lord MILTON wished to know what was the
amount Of the emoluments of the Commander-in.
Chief there.

Mr. PEELE said, about.re9ooo a-year.
Mr. BARING wished to know if* the interest of
the debt of the year was to be provided for out at the
taxes proposed, or by some new taxation.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, that he saw no reason to think that any further
taxation would be necessary.
Mr. TIERNEY wished to know how much of the
five millions would be sufficient to provide for the in-
tenft of the Loan e
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said he could not tell.
Mr. TIERNEY said, that was exactly what he
expected. It was a son of Ascot Mari, in which the
Chancellor of the Exchequer 'proposed a large sum,
without being able to state what it was wanted for.
The reason that he wished particularly to be informed
of this point was, that whatever was voted merely for
the interest of the loan of the year, went on one prin-
ciple; whereas every thing that went to raise the
supplies for the year within the year went on another.
The difference was between a war system of taxation
and a peace system. He never could vote the ways
and means in a lump, without being able to see dearly
upon what principle of taxation Ministers were pro-
ceeding.
Sir WILLIAM GEARY 'considered the present
to be an exceeding wrong scheme. No scheme he
had ever heard brought torward in that House ap-
peared to I.im to be so fundamentally wrong.--
Never had he seen it proposed to impose a tax, even
to the smallest extent, without an estimate of the
sum required being laid before the House. The
sum which the House were now called on to vote,
was 14 or 15 millions ; because though nominally
only about five millions were to provided, to mike
up a supposed deficiency, arising from the failure of
the Property Tax, yet, as the other Taxes proposed
to be continued were War Taxes as well as the Pre.
perry Tax, they, as well as that Tax, ought at
once to have been taken off with the return of peace.
—He was prepared, therefore, to oppose this and
every other Tax, imposed merely as a War Tax ;
esteeming it. as be did, to be an essential principle
of justice to the country, that all such taxes should
end the moment the war ceased: It was on this
principle that he (Sir W. G.) consented to open the
pockets of the country ; but the same necessity not
now existing, be did not see that the same burden
could with any consistency be continued. What was
the plan of the Right Hen. Gentleman, as developed
this night, but a change of name for the Property
Tax ?-64 continuance of that which, by special arm.
meet, ought to have been set at rest along eft& the
othar war taxes, at the conclusion of a treaty of peace.
He considered the proposition of the Lest am
Qs therefore, as uncoossitodsoal ; and. as
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