Star.
London, England, 1806-07-17 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The Pilots' Bill was read a (mood time and committed for to•
1111.111 M.

The bill to mete& the Public Harbours, tee. and the Oak Rai
Pill fevarally went ihmugh a Committee, and the Reports were
ordered to he brought up to-morrow.
The London Additional Force Bill, the Irifh Pottage Bill,
Nelfest's Annuity FAL the Royal Family Annuity Bill. the Malt
fluty bill, and the Receiver General of the Cußoms Regulation
Lill, were evportede and thole Bills were ordered to be read a
d. rd dive to•morrow.

The Land 'Cut Redemption Amendment 13111, the Warehouf•
ME Goods Hill, the W 00.,. Surveyors Bill, the W!wl•
fur Verdi fun, the lei% Hopi 1.. irtarion tlir Grenada I.oau
tail, t►e Lottery Rill, avol the bt.ge Cu4cl4 11611,wer• nail a third
time and polled. . - -

Upon the Latter Sir JOIIN SINCI.AIa took oceafino*n oh-
reeve, that the provitions of this Mil did not appear to go tar
enough to fatiafy the willies of the public. But yet it formed an
additional arrangement to thrift alwady minting, which he hoped
would operate to climion'h th, evil. complained a, as to the num-
ber of pallengers, peticularly our.lde, upon Rage coaches, and the
genet at enndud of thc drivers dud guards of (itch vehicles. The
Non Baran t added, ilia, this 818 was only n.eant to be tempo.
,ary, and that he would, very early in tie th t Seffums call the
tttt mien of the /kife to this fabjeft„lit order that endeavour.
&mild be made to cltabliih a more eligible fyftent.
Mr. CALEY prefented, purfuant to (leder, a return from the
Cormniftioners appointed to tient:he the Public Records a the
euuntry.--Ordered to neon the table, and to be printed.
fslr Gin r a front that .n,l,43iutters of Cuflorns, indented
an Account of the numb flitl ...d their tonnage. which have,
within actual:l time, Cleared WC I• r rlie Coall of Afriel, from the
feverai p •to of this country—Ordered to lie on the tabk, and to
•
he printed.
Mr C. WYNNE brought up thc Third Report of the COMPIIV•
Goners appointed to esantinc the Civil 4114.1 rs ul the Navy.—Or.
4ctal to licoo tic tabk.

WI. PIT?

The Hoare having Ref°bred Into a Committee upon the Caere
lid.stca Fund Bill,

Mr. VAN:iII:CART mowed a C'auk of Appropriation.
Lord FOLKSTONE Wined upon that part of the Account in
w hob It appeared that 41.0101. 6s. had been paid (or the difeharge
of Mr. Pitt's debts, aids:nigh the word. of the Addrefs voted by
the 1-Wee upon this fubjett contained there rrecifc words," a fum
not el ct cline go,ccol."
Mr. N'ANSI I'TART remarked upon the Mfinificant amount
a Cie diffsrence alluded to by the Noble Lord. and hated, that
thi,dldcretce might be coniidered the nit& of the order, that no
&duel ion for lets hiould be made upon the fun originally granted.
Loner FOLKS RINE Paid, that to overlook rock a difference
wonid be to eftablilli a precedent, tending to ittilify the Miniller
in exceeditig the grant of that Hours, in applying a film of the
public money beyond that which Parliament or that Moore might
authorize. The Nbble Lord allu noticed fame iiieorreetnel. in
calling op the accounts. %poll which this Bill was founded.
Mr VANSITI'AR I' n (erred the Nubk Lord to the Journals,
in which he would find a limner difference to that pf which he
now complained, and that in the cafe of the illuftrious Chatham,
which difference was afterward. fanetionod by the Haire.
After Arai" tither remarks from Lord FOLKSTONE and Mr.
V ANSIT I ART, the Refolutions were agreed to, and the Report
was ordered to be bough. up to-morrow.
Ordered, on the motion of Mr PAULL, that the Account.
which were ordered out the 124.1 and 24th of April, and the lath
of May 1011, relative to le.dia, thould be laid before the Hoof:
forthwith.

Mr. PAULL ohfcrved, that the Papers, the expence of print.
ing which was yelterday moved for, were, he thought, included
n tti. motion upon the fame fubjedt However, he was glad that
the Honourahle General Lad, in hie aldenee, vakeu oration to
fupply We ornition.
Sir A. WELLESLEY flated Herndon. for the motion rekrred
to, to be limply that the total tx2e.tee of the prtativi &mid be at
once bdwe the Hook.

MINT.

Mr. ROBSON then rote, purfu:.nt to the notice j
which he had givea raise days agop that he lhould
this day make tome motions relative to the Barrack
Department. He nulled it would be unneceffary to
him, when the national expenditure was upwards of
o:re million and a half weekly, and when the taxes
had siren to (uch an enormous amount, to apologife
to the Houfe for calling to their attention the aloft
flagrant abufes of the public money that had ever
been exhibited. When he made a motion on the rub.
jet about two months ago, he was not fo well ac-
quainted with the extent of there abufes as he was
now. He then afferted that double rent was paid
for mere fluffs of barns; but on that occafion he had
nut with a check from the Noble Laid below him,
the previous quellion being tarried on his motion,
though he believed that the Noble Lord had then no
idea of the peculation. that exihed. This check in-
duced him to give ap the enquiry for a time; and he
mull du the Noble Lord the jullice to fay, that he
loft no timc ia making the neceffary enquiries, when
he found matters much work than they were Tepee.
Tented, and copied the very motions which he had
formerly fubmitted, which were then carried. Front
the papers it appeared, that the country had been
giving at the rate-of 2001 a year for mere (hells of
barns. About three months ago this rent had been
reduced to one half, but if another half was taken
from that, and another again, they would be hilltop
dear. Could the Houfe believe that the country was
paying cool, a year for mere (hells of barns? But, no
doubt, there were other abufes in different parts of the
country. The Barrack Accounts were fuppored to be
the mutt difrofe in Europe (a/au:kJ. and he had hi-
therto confined himtelf to one quarter of the We of
Wight, namely, the Sar,down Barracks, which were
a mere (peck or (put when compared with the whale.
He wilted them to be compared with the whole tera•
porary Barracks in the kingdom, which, though taken
, by the seek at an end-rmoos rate, were, in general, ab-
fointely empty. He did not at prefent fpeak of the
Barracks (4.1. ch were ercded by Government, but of
temporary barns or finds. He had therefore drawn
up a motion that would bring before the Houk the
amount of the rums that were paid fur temporary
Barracks, and every eireumfiance relating to them,
which he fhould Stow fubmit to the Houfe. He then
moved, that there 1)• laid before the Houfe," a Re.
turn of all the buildings hired fur theasfe of Govern-
mem, as temporary Barracks, throughout this king-
dom, from 1793 to the ptefent year; fpecifying, in
fifteen different columns, the dates when taken, the
perfuns from whom, the rents payable, the time occit•
pled, and a variety of other itemsrefpeding the fame."
The motion being read,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
raid, that he had no ohjeainn to the motion, as it
was likely to procure information to the Houfe
on the fubjed. He had formerly laid. that abufes
exilled in the Barrack Department, and he had then
given it as hit opinion, certainly with tome hefitation,
that it would better fun the convenience of the Houfe
to wa t fur the Report of the CommilTioners of Mi•
litary Enquiry on the fubjed, as more likely to pro•
duce a fatisladory refult. This Report, he was in-
formed, world be laid before the Houfe to-morrow ;
but if the Honourable Gentleman thought proper,
notwithfianding, to continue his motion, and not to
wait for that Report, he, for one, fhould not object
to it.

The SECRETARY at WAR faid, that the Ho-
nourable Gentleman on a former occafion had moved
for papers without any fpecific °Nee in view. The
realms why certain barns had been hired, at fuels an
extravagant rate in the Ifle of Wight, had been ow,,
ing to the momentary circumflances of the time.—
A large body of troops had been Rationed at that)
part ut the coati, and thus the officer at the head of
the Barrack Department had been placed at the
mercy of the people who let out the barns to hire for
the accommodation of the troops. But the earlierl
opportunity had been taken to lower there extrava-
I gala rates. He contended, however, that by the
mode of proceeding adopted by the Hon. Member,
unjuitinfinuations had been thrown out with regard
to the charatters of Gentlemen who had no oppor-
tunity of defending themfelves. There did not ap•
pear Mitiondua on the part of any one, except on
that of the late Barrack Make, who had been found
guilty of peculation, and difiniffed from the (mice. !
He salted the Honourable Member to be cautious
of throwing out general infinuations, and if be had
any complaint to bring againd any individual, let it
be dine in a proper way. He lhould have thought
it better, if the whole affair had been left to the In.
veßigation of the CommiConers of Military Enqui-
ry I but Ince his Noble Friend had not objeaed to
the InGtiON it fhould not meet with any oppofition
' hum him.• He faltered, however, that he meant
to ground fame enquiry on his pretest motion t sad
this would go to take the whole out of the-hands of
tboto who were already entruded by the Honfe with
the enquiry into military abaft% and (epee& the
hivelligations of the COMTMIENCTS.

Mr. ROBSON contended, that having waited two'
months for the Report oldie Commiffioners, and no
report being prefented, he W:lf juftified in bringing the
fithjea forward ; betides, thefe very Commiffioners
had been fitting for thirteen months, to make a Re.
port on a fobjea which could not with diligence oc
copy more than one week. He had the affidavit of
a Gentleman to prove, that it would be between three
and tour years before the a hole of their labours could
be finithed. He could not confent to give up his
duty as a Member of Parliament in fhrinking from
enquiry. If the Houle would appoint new Commif-
fioncrs, and make him one, he would undertake to
lift the bonnet's to the bottom in a very fbort time.
Mr. MARTIN (of Tewkefbury) (aid, that he
i cordially agreed with the motion of his Honourable
Friend, and added, that the people of this country
were fu ftmiliarifed to this fort of pillage, that they
were like lkinned eels, which were thought to be fo
much arcultomed to the operation, that they bore it
patiently—(4 laugh.)
The SECRETA RY at WAR allied to know what
farther meafiire the Hon. Gentleman meant to
ground on his prefent motion ?
Mr. PAULL then made tome ohfervations with
regard to a Mr. Atkins, the late Barrack Matter, who
had been difmilred. He dated him to have been for-
merly an honourable charader, and recommended by
Sir R. Abacromby to the fituation which he held.
It was not found out that he was a pilferer till he
bad dilcovered certain peculation, of others, and had
given information of them to the War Office. Till
then lie was never found out to be difhoned. Sums
had been given by way of rent that were perfeelly
incredible, and in confequence of his information,
they were reduced from t tool. to pool. He had been
told alto, that thefe barracks were halt furnifhed by
Government, arid then immediately gutted. When
Atkins gave information of thole abufes, he was im-
mediately difmilred, without even being confronted
by his accufers. He concluded with cordially fup.
potting the motion of the Hon. Gentleman, whom
he was glad to call his friend.
Mr. CANNING obferved, that it had been &flirt-
ed for a fag, that this Atkins was difmilred on the
affidavit of a man who had firffered by Atkins giv-
ing information of his peculation:. He had no
doubt that the difmiffal was right, but he could will
that the matter fhould be Hated to the fatisfaaian of
the Houle.
The SECRETARY at WAR denied that the
Barrack Mailer had been difmiffcd on account of any
information he had given, but merely becaufc there
was a deficiency in his accounts.
Mr. PAULL confidcred it very extraordinary that
this man who appeared now to be the MIA improper
pf all perfons, thould be fo long continued in a fitu
stion of truth and confidence, that none but an hunch
man fhould be placed in.
Mr. Secretary WINDHAM raid, that he knew
nothing of this Barrack Mailer when he was fiat
appointed, and had only heard that he was an oth.
cer fomewhat dillretred, and that there was nothing
then Paid againft his charaller. It was not forpriz-
ing that the difcovery fhould have been made in the
manner it was; for the fall was, that there was fo
little public fpirit generally going, that it ufually
proceeded from the irritation of loan private quarrel
that trimfattions of this fort came to light. He did
nut fee how Parliament could take the Wines into
it, cavil hands, or do more than generally recommend
it to the Comcniffioners to enquire diligently into
abufes of this nature. If thefe Commiffioners did
not do their duty, other Commiffioners Ihould be
appointed, but he did not fee how that Houle could
examine into every feparatc abufe that might be
complained of.
Mr. BASTARD thought it was the duty of the
Houle to look diligently into abufes, when they
were Rated, and, as guardians of the public purfe,
to begenerally dißruflful. He did not expel much
good horn one let of Commiffioners being ap-
pointed to fuperfede another. The Military Com-
millioners had Cott the nation the (urn of moool. for
their labours the firth year. He thought the poi&
ment of the individual, by tenurial from his office,
would do more good, in the way of example, than
ten Commiffiorn. Common fame reported, that there
were mon enormous abufes in the Barrack Depart-
ment : that the nation was often charged for pulling
down Root buildings, convenient fur lodging men, as
much money as was (pent in building wooden Bar-
racks in unwholeforte fituations. He thought the
whole fyfiem ought to be examined accurately.
The SECRE VARY at WAR obferved, that the
dimiffid of any Barrack Mager was only done upon
the report of the Barrack Mailer General, whereas
the original appointment was from the Secretary at
War.

Mr. HOBHOUSE was for the invefligation of
every abufe which appeared to cliff.
The Selolutinn was then put and carried.
Mr. ROBSON then moved his ficond refolution.
When he was called upon for the objeft of his mo-
tion, he fhould atif*er, that his objea generally was
to lave the public money. When he got the lapels
Moved for, he hoped it would produce a laving
of 500,0001. per annum, in the Barrack Department.
lie thought that the accounts of that Department,
like thofe of the Board of Works, Ihould be made up
quarterly. He imagined that there WAS no difficulty
or myflery in the examination of thole accounts ;
and that it only required felting about it. If he
had the honour of being appointed a Commillioner,
he felt himfelf perfatly difpofed to enter into the bu-
finefs to-morrow. He concluded by moving fir "
Return of Canteens and Barracks rented for the ar-
meithroughout Great Britain, from the year t7srß to
the prefent time, 4illinguithing the per forts from whom
taken, and the rent paid."
PAtILL role proliffedly to fecond the motion,
but commencing by a reply to fnmething which had
fallen from the Secretary at War in the dilcuflion
of the former Refolution,
The SPEAKER informed him, that this was con-
trary to the ellablifbed forms of the Houle.
Mr. PAULL flill continued addreffiug himfelf to
the obfervations of the Secretary at War.
• Mr. Secretary WINDHAM fpoke to orden. He
(aid it would be impofble•for the bufinefb of the
Houle to be ever gone through, if Members conceived
they had a right, at all times, to fay whatever they
pleated, without paying any attention to the forms of
debate, or the intimations oldie Chair.
Mr. PAULL again rofe, and contended, that he
had a right, to give what rufous he Ocala for fc-

conning a motion. He was spas continuing in
fame courfe. when he was reminded of the inquiet it/
by the SPEAKER.
The SECRETARY at WAR thought it the bitfl
way to let him make thofe explanations about which
he appeared Cr. anxioos.
Mr. PAULI. again store. and continued hi.
fpeech ; when Mr. Secretary Wass:mem and Colonel
BASTARD (poke to order, and the Hon. Gentleman.
at length, fat down. and fail he Ihould withdraw hi.
fcconding the motion.
After Come words from Mr. ROBSON, the motion
was put and agreed to.
Mr. ROBSON then brought forward another Re.
folution. He (fated. that there were Come parts of
the information which he had received, which was
alma too bad to mention to the Houfe. There was
a Mrs. Parker, a favourite lady of Major Lewis's.
who had taken a houfe from a Mr. Barton, a taylor,
in Newport, at the rent of Sol. per ans:.• sod rented
it immediately to the Officers for their mm; at 7.1.
per ann. When (poke to about the enormity of the
charge, the raid, that when every body elfe was lA.
bing Government, the did not fee why the mould not
have a little. fie concluded, by moving for an Ac-
count of Dung, Allies, Dun, Straw, and Sweepings.
belonging to the different Barracks, from the ft of
January 1793.
This motion was negatived without any dircuffion.
MILITIA 0/VICARS' ray SILL.
On the motion for the 3d reading of this Bill,
Mr. PI.RCEVAL Paid, that lag night he had for-
borne to make any ohfervationa on the Bill, on ac-
count of the thin attendance of Members. He mu'
now fay, that it was unwire and unjuft, that when
the Militia Officers were on different duties, they
fhould find themfelvea futidenly, by an Aft of the
LegiOature, placed on a worth footing than the
Officers of the Regular Army. All the Militia Offi-
cers who were in the Houle, oppofed the Bill, and
the impropriety of it was fo great, that two tenants
of the Crown were obliged to vote again' the Right
Hon. Gentleman on that mafiosi notwithaantfing
all the prejudice they mutt be fuppoled to pave in
favour of his meafures in general. He eonfidered
that the raving was a paltry eonfideration, and that •
it was a dire& aft of injoftice to alter the terms of the
militia fervice, without at haft giving the men the
liberty of refigning. Every militia man, whether a
balloted man, • fobnitute, or a volunteer, entered
the fervice under the terms Rated by the law, and
had a right to ex pee to be on a footing with the Re.
gular Army. The Militia, although a compulfory
fervice, was entitled as much to all the benefits held
forth by law, as impreffed (cameo have to thofe
nefits which the naval fervice affords. It might be
Paid, that although this was a breach of faith, yet it
was but a little one, in the fame way that a Lady,
excufing herfelf for having a natural child, laid." It
was but a little one." It appeared to him, that it
was a moll ferious breach of faith. He concluded
by moving, as an amendment, " that the Bill be
read a third time this day three months."
Lord FOLKESTONE laid, the Bill was not fo
voluminous, but much taller to be underftood thalt
many Adis paffed under a former Adminiftration, of
which that Hon. and Learned Gentleman was a Mem-
ber. He could not fee that any injurs was done by
this Bill to any individual. The FieldOffieets of the
Line had, however, Tome claims to the liberality of
the public, fuperior to thole of the Militia Field Of..
Geer.. The Regular Field Officers mutt have been
a confiderable time in the army, and generally rofe
to their fitnations after many toils and dangers,wbere.
as the Militia Field Officers were placed at once in
that fituation. When he was a Militia Officer, he
was convinced that he lhould have made no objeetion
to a regulation like the prefent.
Sir WILLIAM ELFOf:D raid, that force
take appeared to prevail Sots: the Militia Captains.
In the Regiment of which he was Lieutenant Colo-
Del, every one of them had rifen to that fituation
from Subalterns, and he believed this was generally
the courfe in all well regulated Militia Regiments :
they therefore did require the addition, often as much
as the Regular Officers. As to danger, it mug be al-
lowed, that the Militia were not left expofed to danger
now than they were formerly.
' Alderman PRINSEP did not think that the pay of
the Army was (efficient at prefent to induce qualified
men to become Officers of Militia. and the induce-
ment would be (lin lets, if there was any dininftion
made to the prejudice of the Militia.
Mr. WINDHAM differed with the Right Hon.
and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Perceval) who laid,
that this Bill was a violation of the Militia Aft ; but
palling over this part, he denied the general principle
which would follow from the propofition of the
Learned Gentleman, namely, that an Aft of Parlia-
ment was a contraft formed with the Public, which
Ihould be immutable from the moment of its palling,
like the laws of the Medes anJ Perfians. Such doc-
trines carried with it its own refutation, benaufe the
hillory of the country, and the praftice of Parliament,
were proofs to the contrary. Would any perfon con•
Cider it a breach of faith to make an altersonn in the
Mutiny Law, even to make it more hem, if necef-
Jai y ? Would an, body hi/apt:At, that it would be a
bleach of faith to the Army to alter the chfcipline of
one part of it and not of another ? As the Militia
was always to lubfilt in tome Ihape or another, and
theiefilre, on thofe grounds, it might be argued to the
end of time, that it would be a breach of faith for the
Legiflature to make any objeftions. It %vivid be a
b•eitell of faith to do it in time of peace as well AS in
! time of war ; and yet the Honourable and Learned
Member (Mr. Perceval) was hirrifelt the perftm to
'people its being done in time of deace, ma not in
time of war. If, then, he conlidered th it it was a
! great breach of faith in time war, and only a little
tine in tittle of peace, the (tory of the Lady and her
" rue,. natural Child" was only applicable to the ar-
gument of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, and he
might have done better to have kept it to himfelf.—
The excepti. ns were not lo much made upon the
I ground of ceconomy, as on the go und of justice. It
was hut ju.lice to the Regular Officers to give what
was abfolutcly necellary fir tit_ in. If this increale
was nit confidered fo neceffary to the militia, they
fhould rather confider it as an honourable dininition,
than any fort of ill treatment.

Mr. C. W. WYNNE fupported the arguments of
Mr. Windham, and obfetyed, that the pimcipal sr-
gnment on the other fide of the Houle, that the Mi-
litia Oiliccrs were injtued by the arrangement pie-
!iclibed in this DM WAS, a total misdatcluglits sad s

complete inverfion of the fad: f, r how mita the
Militia Officers, who &Rend no diminution of pay,
be injured by a (mall hieratic of pay to the Officers
of the Line ? They, in Wk. 'mold fuflain no injury
whatever, and he was confident, would feel none,
notwithflanding the arguments of Gentlemen who
*fumed to advocate their caulk; but whole argu•
ments reminded him of a petition of the celebrated
Lord Chefierfield to his Majefly far a penfion, pr.>.
feffing, " that it was purely f r the honour of it, and
not for any pecuniary cotifideration."
The quellion being now loudly called for on the
third reading of the Bill, the Houle divided—Ayes
35—Noes 24—Majority for the Bill I 1.
On re•admillion to the Gallery, we found Colonel
MITFORD propofing an amendment, purporting to
recognize the principle of equal pay to the Militia
and the Line, as an eflablifbed and general rule, hut
enabling his Majefty, in certain cafes, to increafe the
pay of the Line ; which amendment was, in effeCt,
rejeded upon the queflion, without a divition.
On the vitiation being put, that the Bill do pars,
another direuffinn arnfe.
Colonel BASTARD utterly difclairned, on the
part of the Militia Field Officers, any pecuniary con.
fideration, and was convinced that, if neceitiry, they
would cheerfully volunteer their fervices without pay.
It was the degrading ditlintaion drawn by this Bill
which they felt fevere. So far were they from being
gloated by mercenary motives, or any jealoufy to-
wards their own Subalterns, any more than towards
Of of the Line, that, with repall to the former,
they even relinquilbed a very confiderable portion of
their pay in the ezpences of the regimental metres, in
order to render the lunation of the Subalterns equally
comfortable with their fuperior Officers, often al Ids
than half the espence ; and with refpea to the latter,
he was confident they would be glad of a much
greater increafe of pay, if the circurnttances of the
country could afford it.
Mr. CANNING role once more to relit the
gaffing of this Bill, and to fay, that if his Majelty's
)'unifters perliffed, at this late period of the Sea; 'n,
in fo thin a (tate of the Houle, in the ahfence of al-
molt the whole of the country gentlemen conneetel
with the Militia, and with the votes of every Militia
Officer in the Houle decidedly againa them, with a
majority of only eleven votes, to force down a mea-
Cure fuhverfive of a principle coeval with the Militia
inaitutton from its very fira eflablifhment, he trolled
the eircumnance would go forth (Irongly marked to
the notice of the country. He then adverted to the
comparative allofion crude by the Hon. Gentleman
who lift (poke, to the petition of Lord Chalet field
he (aid the Honourable Gentleman had charged the
Volunteer Field Officers, who refilled this meafure
on behalf of their eilablifhmenr, to have Ivinour io
their mouths but money in their hearts. lie was
g°, however, that
the Hon. Colonel near him (Co.•
load Baird) had, as it beh ored him, vindicated
the honour of the Militia Fiat Officers from i'uch
hepatatsoo t and although fupptifing the mitjioity of
eleven to be Rill in the Houfe, it would f•e ufeleti to
tall for a fecund &lidos+, he fhould give to the lal
his decided re:Mance to the Bill.
.Mr. WYNNE-So& to explain that part oft his
petal to which Co unfair an :Illation has jolt been
!made. and to obferve, that the Right Hon. Gentle.
man polreßed a moll happy facility at rairconceptimn,
whenever. it-adwased• his purpok. Ia the a/lotion
he had made, he had not the molt dillant intent to
thto* any inch iropiitsti-in noon the Mei alitv and
honourable feelings 4.f the Militia Field Officers ; he
merely meant to refute the abfurdity of the argil
aunts of thole who affeEted to advocate their cane,
and who affirmed to do fo by implicating their libe-
rality.
Mr. CANNING role to ekplaio, bet was called to
&der from the Chair; and, after a few obfervation•
from Colonel MITFORD, the qiidlion that the Bill
do pals was put, and the Houle again divided—
Ayes, 4.3—Noes, at—Majority, as.
The Bill was then palled, and ordered to the Lords.
INDIA Stria sr

Lord MORPETH rofe, and moved to it-Atone till
Friday the further confideration of the India Budget.
Mr. ROBSON felt it his duty to cad the attention
V the Houfe to this moll important fubjed, and to
exprefs his allonifkment, that affairs of fo much vital
importance to this country. as thofe of India, were to
111 be diteutied in fuch thin Houles as this butinefs had
hitherto been. Whether the India Company were to
be continued by a renewal of their charter or not,
their affairs ought not to be treated with fo much
levity, with fo titin an attendance of Members, atd
snore efpecially without the attendance of his Majef-
ty's Minifters. Their affairs. as he was taught to un-
derhand, were, In a moll embarraffed and deplorable
fituation, almoll, indeed, upon the brink of ruin. It
was declared in that Hook, that a Loan to an incon-
ceivable amount would be requifite to fupport them ;
but whether this was to be a Loan of (even millions
or feventeen milions, or what not, he thought the
fubjca was one of too much importance to be dif-
cuffed in that Houfe, without a frill attendance of
Members; and by the bleffing of GC.; as he never
wciild leave is in the power of his Wetly's Miniliers
to fay he did not attend, he would make it a pint
of taking any meafute to hop the proceeding. in eve; y
Ilape, nolefs there was a fuller attendance, and more
efpecially of his Majefiy's Minillets.
Lord MORPBTH Whiled to know, upon what
authority the Honourable Gentleman limed that a
Loan would be wanted fir the India Company :
He certainly had made no fuch hatement in bringing
forward the Compail's affairs; nor did he he,ti-
any fuch thing mentioned by any of his Majelly's
Minifters in that Houfe.
Mr. GRANT alto difclaimed, on the part of the
Company, the reprefentation of their affairs made by
the Honourable Gentlemen, and which he could not
&ger to pats uneontradided. He knew nothing of
any Loan propofed or dewed by the Company ; they
good not in need of fueb at:Dance : nor did he hear
any thing of any Nett propoiltion with which their
authority or with:; were conneeed : a Noble Lord.
indeed, near him (Caltlereagh) in his fpeech lath
night, had thrown out a fuggeliton, that a Loan of
five millions might be deniable for the aceommoda.
tion of the Conipary, but this was a mere fuggeilion
in the courfe of a fpeech, wholly unauthorized by the
Company.
Mr. PAULL defended the conduct, and approved
the deterntbistion expelled by his Hon. Friend ( Mr.
R iblon), and hoped that he would perfift in his
endeas seas to obtain a full attendance of Members,

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upon every difcuffini; on Win affafra.; fvr, netwith-4
(landing the declaration ju(l made by abs Hon. Ex:
dire tor, it certainly had gone forth, that the Com.
pany's affairs were in a defperase &option. It had
been laid, not by hitarfell, but by a worthy Alder..
man oppnfite to him, that they were in a Rate of
I bankruptcy ; and although the Noble Lord's Cogger-
tiou of a loan, in his fpeech of !all night, might not
be admitted by the Hon. Ez-clireitor, as an official
authority upon the point, yet his Hon. Friend had a
nigh; to confider fuch a declaration, coming from the
Noble Lord, as good authorityupon a lubjeit, namely,
the fituation of the Company's affairs, in which the
Noble Lord'. own cliArLner and fafety were fo deeply
interetied ; for it was no lecret that the Nohie Lord's
conduit in thrfe affairs, was likely to become the
ground of very feriou charges from an Hon. Mem-
ber of that Houfc, who now fills an important public
The queflion being put, was agreed to, and the
Houle adjourned at ten o'clock.

LONDON.

THURSDAY, JULY 17.

PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCEs
Coofols, for Macey. 614-094. 6344.—Resloud 624.
01011h110 6 4.
PRICE OF STOCKS YESTERDAY.
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