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and cultivation ? he would have remained, to use the
quotatign that had been employed, like one of is those
lumps of marle, which encumbered the ground, but
were incapable of fertilizing it."—(Hear.) He was
surpr;sed at a gallant Officer's laying so much stress
on a petition from Fermanagh, on account of its nu-
merous signatures—he who had fought and bled in
Egypt, leading on Catholic soldiers, whose conduct
and loyalty he had praised, as well as another gal-
lant Office .hr laid that their conduct was an
', and who, at their head, re-
in his country's service which
That officer had also had the op-
ig the late worthy Pontiff, Pius
Immailded our dragons, who
Rome, and having received from
ionour. A small petition from
the French Refugees still more
(ey had never before shown such
_ not perceiving the signs of the
persecution would apply to all reli-
petitioned against concession, and even
the words " all and retry." For the ho-
n nature, this petition ought not to have
They ought to have known the
persecution, which weakened the
and shed oceans of human blood,
• of Louis XIV. A worthy Al-
id, concerning his larger petition,
a right to express his opinion.
. not a petition somewhat larger
tears back, set the four corners of
Fals. and detestable hand-bills
!yen at the doors of that House,
opinions of a Catholic, that Mr.
!core, and that what was pro.
insult to the Catholic Body.—
" the third part of the Penal
.graceful. In the new Protes-
• lamented to see the name of an
, and worthy man (Sir Granville
ved a long life of virtue and piety,
less the best intentions. Yet his
not stand on the Coronation oath,
but on his reading the Apo-
! had found, that if the Catholics
wrath of Gob would be poured
;dom ! (Hear, hear.) The thing
zy admitting the principle. A story
the new society, of an Irish girl,
:eller she thought the priest was
Ted—,, he is like a God to me !"
absurdities fit to be disseminated ?
in our own hands : we took all
ck, little by little. What was re-
,t importance, but we should be
coring them. The Church of Eng-
but by its own neglect. Go into a
zy might find Catholics more rea-
pposed. They might have con-
former year, but time changed
, would be yielded to at one mo-
purned at on another occasion.—
,ssible that even the veto might
The Catholics originally, and
tion, had all the privileges of
d it was the policy and duty
to restore them. Mr. Whitbread
u tides in the Hue and Cry, under
•y the 6th, respecting the fire at
anbridge, in which, alter noticing
e of the crime, it was observed,
suspected that there were any
le College : another article alluded
,gle for dominion, which, it said,
)1 the newspapers, and which had
nuisance, and ought to be put an
.zd to know what the Under Secre-
the Home Department would say to
publication ? (hear.) Was this
late affection and procure good-
almost think, on reading such
'ed in the time of altes's conspi.
of them was a fit man to have
ion on the monument, which,
• pointing to the skies,
r, lifts its head, and lies /
that whenever it was known
,our shone OR the Catholic claims,
measure would be quite as easy
.oleration Bill last year. Then,
.he Church would readily acquiesce.
ression of an Hon. Baronet early in
ith mitres on their heads, and those
heads, would take quite a diffe-
that which they had pursued : for
mitres on their heads, could have
translation. If Court favour ran
,petted to do, the thing would soon
:hurch had taken some unjustifiable
ion. He had heard of an Arch-
) his apparitor to procure his sig-
,e his dismissal. A man who va-
goods, dared not refuse. The
posed, some years ago, to enter-
sentiments. If the cause of the
/ to be destroyed, would they_ not
Tomises which had been held out to
1 it that offered them the cup of ex-
,mpted them to the intoxication ?
pointed all their hopes ? (Hear.)
lie House would take care they
rived or disappointed ; but that it
,w up that resolution to which it
tajority last year. There was, he
zl Conscience now standing in the
is ; and if nothing in the nature
,fence existed to obstruct them,
were well known, he was con-
rorthy Alderman (Curtis) would
as he had been, with his enormous
Ititions, indeed, would not appear.
. entering upon this great and good
,ors of his friend (Mr. G.) would
unmated. The Catholic subjects
to all places of power and honour,
rhich must be filled by a Protestant
:me head of our Protestant Church
fix the security of the whole
The Church of England would
:curity and safety in the additional
of the Empire at large ; and
time of respite and repose from
td lately been engaged in, and for
real and Christian duties : Ireland
stied and contented, and this whole
rendered united, stgong, and secure.

The Hon. F. ROBINSON expressed some dilk.
dence in rising upon a question on which so many
Gentlemen much superior to himself were anxious to
deliver their opinions. This, however, had always
appeared to him a question in which magnificence
of declamation, exuberance of wit, and vehemence
of invective, were unnecessary. He had last year
assented to the motion that had been made, and
he should now assent to the present motion. He
had defended it before, as he should defend it now,
on the ground that the question had come to such a
shape and point, that it was necessary to take it
into Serious consideration. They had been long
debating on abstract proposition, and he thought the
time had come for discussing the specific remedy.
If he thought the remedy proposed would be only
satisfactory to one party, he should not support it.—
He allowed that nothing could be less conciliatory
than the language of the Catholic Board ; but their
language was of the same sort last year, when he
agreed to the motion. As to the petitions from this
country, he had never supposed that this country
would be indifferent to a point of such great import-
ance ; and he must allow that a number of petitions
so respectably signed, were entitled to very great
weight. Those petitions, however, went no farther
than to call upon the House to provide sufficient
securities and safeguards for the Constitution ; and
in this part of their prayer, he and almost every man
would be ready to coincide with them. Several
petitions had proceeded from the Clergy, which he
thought were also entitled to the greatest respect.—
The Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Whitbread) had
passed a very high encomium upon a phrase which
an Honourable Baronet (Sir Robert Heron) had
used in the fervour of maiden oratory, of Clergymen
"with mitres on their heads, and others with mitres
in their heads." This phrase appeared to him to be'
so far from deserving the high encomiums that the
Honourable Gentleman had pronounced, that it ap-
peared to him a gross calumny on that respectable
body who signed those petitions. Without compar-
ing the state of the Catholic mind this year with
what it was last year, he must say, and he thought
almost every body must allow, that a very great
change had taken place since the time that those
restrictions and disabilities were considered necessary
by our ancestors. What might, therefore, have been
necessary fu former times, did not appear to him
to be on that account necessary at present.—
Now it was perfectly known and established that the
Throne is Protestant ; whereas, formerly the Catho-
lics naturally looked to the probability of the suc-
ceeding Monarch being a Catholic, and favouring
their views. It was therefore not surprising, on the
contrary, it was very natural that the founders of the
Revolution should not only have declared that the
Throne should be Protestant, but that those who ap-
proached it should be Protestants also. It was also
to be recollected,that there were then pretenders to the
Crown, which we have not at the present day. Al-
though he intended voting for the House to go
into a Committee, to take those claims into consi-
deration, yet if he supposed that nothing would be
proposed in the Committee beyond the •Resolution
of the Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Grattan),
he should not support it. He was not surprised at
many feeling an apprehension of danger from the
Catholics. In fact, our Constitution was full of jea-
lousy : it was jealous of the Crown, jealous of the
aristocracy, and jealous of democracy; it was there-
fore by no means wonderful if there should be a jea-
lousy of Catholics also. This proper jealousy, how-
ever, should by no means be carried so far as to pre-
vent any of them filling their just and proper rank in
the State. He was therefore,now fully prepared Logo
into the Committee with a strong hope of realizing all
those objects which had been stated last year in the
Resolution which the House had adopted on the mo-
tion of a Right Hon. Gentleman.
Sir T. ACLAND, in a maiden speech, observed,
that the question was not about leaving our Consti-
tution in Church and State without securities ; but
whether, in the room of the securities now existing,
others might not be substituted that were as free
from danger, and less objectionable. If no real good
were to be expected from the House going into a
Committee, he should not vote for it : he believed,
however, that it would not be difficult to find other
securities, which would remove the danger apprehen-
ded. As to the effectual preservation and guard of
the Protestant Church, he thought it almost as neces-
sary as the preservation of our monarchy and of our
liberties. In the laws which were passed at the time
of the Union between England and Scotland, there
was an express reservation of the power of Parliament
to alter the provisions of those enactments, if they
thought proper. He could not avoid recollecting,
that many of the greatest statesmen of our age, how-
ever they differed on other points of policy, were
agreed on this, that there was a possibility of making
a safe arrangement of the Catholic claims, without
danger to the present Constitution. Last year it had
appeared to the majority of theH cuse, that the time was
come for taking into consideration those Catholic peti-
tions. He was anew Member of th at House, bu the consi.
dered the resolution of the House last Session to be a
legacy which the present Parliament should be anxi-
ous to ratify and confirm. He could certainly have
wished that the foundations of freedqm to the Catho-
lics bad been gradually and silently laid, in such a
manner as would have afforded effectual security.—
Among a number of arguments which he could bring
to shew an alteration of late years in the Catholic
mind, he must observe, that Catholics in Ireland fre-
quently sent their children to be educated by Prote.
stant Clergymen. He would also mention the great
increase of late years, of Roman Catholics as students
in the college of Dublin. He had spent some short
time in Ireland, and maws the many hospitalities
he received there, he was at the house of a Protestant
Gentleman, where the Catholic servants carne up
without scruple, and with the permission of their
titular Bishop, to join in the general family worship,
which was taken from the liturgy of the Church of
England. He considered that their conduct was, in
every situation of life, such as to induce the House
to remove the remaining penalties and disabilities un-
der which they now labour.
Sir T. SUTTON spoke for some time ; but the
lowness of his voice, and the noise which was then
making in the House, prevented us from hearing the
speech. We understood him, however, to be against
the claims of the Catholics,

Lord PALMERSTON could not suppress his
anxiety on the present occasions to give something

more don_ A Rion voienpoet this gnostic*: Altbongh
he was ftsie to confis4 that the vote of the last Par-
liament was by no means binding upon the present,
yet he saw nothing to make him think that the pre-
sent Parliament would differ materially from the
vote that had been given in the last. At the time that
that vote had been even, the resolutions of the Ca-
tholic Board had been fully as violent as they have
since been ; and yet the House thought at that time,
that it would be beneath its dignity to alter the course
that they were then prepared to take,merely on account
of some intemperate expressions used by the Catholics.
He wasi extremely glad, that they had not at this
time mint forward with any claim of right, as that
was a thing which he never could admit. He never
would allow, that the Legislature had not at all
times the right to make such enactments as in its
judgment were most conducive to the public good.—
Not allowing, however, that the Catholics could
justly found a claim of right, yet he would say, that
it appeared to him highly expedient, that many of
the restrictions under which the Catholics laboured
should be done away. Restrictions of this nature
were not the rule of the Constitution, but an excep-
tion to the rule; and it was as necessary for those
who contended for the continuance of the restrictions,
to shew that they are necessary at the present time,
as it was for those who first laid them on, to thew
that they were then necessary. He conceived that
no sufficient case had been made out fox the con. 1
tinuance of those restrictions, and that no serious
danger could be apprehended either to the army or
the navy from allowing to Catholic Officers their
fair chance of promotion in both these services. On
what ground could any man say, that it was safe to
entrust the Catholic officer with the command of a
regiment, but that it was not safe to trust him with
the command of a brigade ? He thought that it
would be an idle waste of words to attempt to refute
the objections made to Catholic officers being allow.
ed to aspire to the same promotion as other meu.
He thought that no man could seriously or rational-
ly apprehend danger on this point. The great stand,
however, would, as he apprehended, be made against
their admission into Parliament. If, however, they
were admitted, the number of them who would be in-
troduced into the other House of Parliament, woull
be so very small, that he conceived it impossible for
them in that House to produce any material change.
As for the Catholics who might come into that House,
it was his firm opinion that they would act exactly in
the same way as Protestant Gentlemen, and range
themselves under different parties, according to their
different feelings and views of politics. lie could not
conceive kow they could get any great influence in a
House where they would form so considerable a mi-
nority, unless they were to bargain or coalesce with
some great Protestant party. He could hardly be-
, lieve that any large Protestant Party could ever be
found in that House who would join them in subver-
. ting the Constitution ; but supposing all this to take
place, there would still remain a Protestant King,
and House of Peers, almost entirely Protestant,
and an indignant people who would protect the
Constitution and the country from any danger
with which it would be threatened. (Hear, hear.)
He believed that if the Catholics had used a more
conciliatory language, their cause would have been
. now much forwarder than it is. He did not think,
however, that that consideration should interfere with
the legislative wisdom of the House. He even
. thought that the long exclusion of the Catholics from
situations to which other men might aspire, had a
tendency to produce a constantly increasing irrita-
tion ; as it might often happen, that the same am.
bition, which if allowed to flow in its regular
and natural channel, would be found exerting itself
in the service of the country, would, if not permitted
to flow in that way, induce men to aspire to the
distinction of being leaders of party. He therefore
thought that it would be much better that the am-
bition of the Catholic Gentry should be directed in its
proper and natural course, than to have it diverted
from that course by unnecessary restrictions. He
should therefore vote for going into the Committee ;
and although he had the strongest wish that some.
thing might be there suggested which would be con.
dilatory to the Catholics, without at all endangering
the Established Church of the State, yet he did not
hold himself pledged to adopt the particular resolu-
tion stated by a Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Grat-
tan). He should go into the Committee unfettered
by any pledge, and he hoped that great advantage
would be derived from taking the subject into their
serious consideration.

Mr. HART DAVIS, jun. spoke shortly against
going into a Committee. He warned the House to
be cautious how they acceded to such a measure, as
they would find it, when in the Committee, very diffi-
cult to make a retreat from it.

Mr. H. LASCELLES said, he thought the
question of great importance. He would be as ready
as any man to relieve the Catholics from any of the
grievances they complained of, where it could be
done with safety ; but he thought they ought specifi•
tally to point out the particular grievance, and what
concessions would be considered by them as an ac-
tual relief. He thought also, that they should give
such securities as would satisfy the House and the
country. He hoped he should not be deemed illibe-
ral, in mentioning these cautions ; but in his opinion
the case required that the House should know what
was actually expected, before they held out hopes of
redress, which might afterwards be disappointed.
Mr. PONSONBY submitted to the House, whe-
ther at that late hour, it would be better to adjourn
or to proceed?
Many of the Members here called out ,e go on,
go on I" but the cry of 14 adjourn," being loud, the
Right Hon. Gentleman moved an adjournment of
the debate to this day, which was carried, and the
House adjourned at Two o'CLocx this morning.
-The Cunticem.oa of the EXCHAQUICIL has given notice, as
may be seen in our Parliamentary report, that he would, on
Wednesday next, move that the House do resolve itself into a
Committee, to consider the general state of Finance, 'Phis, we
presume, is preparatory to his giving notice of what amount of
Exchetiner Bills he means to fund, and in what Stock. It has
been expected for some days, in consequence of which the Funds
generally have been upon the decline.—Consols were, this morn-
ing, about 50 for Money.

IlitlCEOk 5 POCKS THis DAY A'l' 0101 e. 0 LLOCKt
Bank Stock 9181819—India Stock 16001
Red. 581 H—Cons. 58{ 581—for at. salf-4 per Ct. Tsi
per Cent. 88 871---B4a. 6..dia—.oinniunt nothing done.
Bank Long Anne. 15 3-l6tks i—liActe. Bilk is.

THE. EVENING STAR

LONDON.

TUESDAY, MARCH 2, 1813.

Five Gottenburgh Mails are now due, but although
considerable anxiety prevails, it is unmixed with any
apprehensions as to the continued success of the Rus-
sians. The last letters, received direct from Dantzic,
are dated on the 18th of January, the claTb `'ter the
gates were closed, and they certainly afford strong
grounds to believe that the surrender actually took
place on the 27th of that month, as reported.—
The garrison was described as consisting of troops cf
all nations, who acted with no cordiality, and on one
occasion, where an Officer was ordered under arrest
for calumniating the French, the soldiers positively
refused to seize him !

Pzivats accounts from Berlin, received by the lame
opportunity, state the Russians continued to advance
without opposition. General STEINHILLp with 0011
corps, is at New Stettin ; WITTGENVIMII, at Rosen.
walde, in Prussian Pomerania ; and Pt,aforr, with
his brave Cossacks, has entered the Marche of Bran.
denburgh. We rejoice to hear, that the Russian
troops observe the strictest discipline, and are every
where received with exultation by the inhabitants..-,.
No preparation whatever was made to defend Berlin,
on the contrary, the inhabitants were unreserved in
expressing their wishes for their approach.

A vessel arrived in the River State
from the
French coast. No Exposi of the 4tate of the F..ropiee
has yet been published ; and it is reported that the
conscription now meets with more serious obstruction •
than ever. At Paris k was whispered that the State
Prisoner, alluded to in a late article from Vienna, was
Prince SCHWARTMBERO, who had been charged by
BONAPAATX with causing the ruin of his arm,-. Other
reports stated him to be WHAT, King of Naples,
who had been arrested 04 his way to Italy, by order
of BONAPARTE. The oaly objection to the prob

bility of the latter statement is, that the mysterious
personage spoke nothing but Latin to his keepers !
We believe that it is only since his elevation to the I
Throne, that Mutter was taught to sign his name

The army at Alicant amounted, With all its rein-
forcements of Italians, Calabrese, Sicilians, 4c. to
25,000 men; of which number 9000 were English
and Germans. The total of the forces that had Ar-
rived from Sicily was 16,000. Sucarr had about
20,000 effective to oppose them, and it Was reported
that Souvr had detached 8000 more men to join him.
There was no immediate prospect of operations; the
British had no cavalry, and the rivers on the east
coast of Spain were impassable. Lord W. BENTINCK
remained in Sicily on the 16th of January.

By the Corunna and Cadiz Mails of yesterday.
Government received Dispatches from the Marquis
of WELLIstoTow, dated the 15th, and from Alicant
of the 7th ultimo.

The Marciais of WILLING/VS% dispatches corn.
mnnicate no military event. The French retained
all their positions, and made no demonstration of an
intention to make an immediate movement. Hie
Lordship, we are glad to heart enjoyed the most
excellent state of health, and hunted regularly
thrice a week.

NAVAL IN7ELLIGENCZ.

FALMOUTH, FEBRVARY 27.

Sailed the American prize, Hope, for Foamy. The met of
war that put in here remain as per lan.—Wind N.N.W.
TORBAY, FEBRUARY SS.

Arrived late last night a ship, nanse unknown, and landed 0
Mall from Rio Janeiro, when she sai)ed again for the Westward.
Sailed this morning his Majesty's ships Stag, Insolent, sued Lord
Cochrane.—Wind N.W.

PLYMOUTH, FEBRUARY rt.

Sailed the ST ma cutter, ef eight guns, for Lisbon, wish dill
patches; the UNISORN, eti guns, for Basque Roads; and tits
BOTH S, of SS guns; 1144outricawr, Desseau, Asaacaostates
and Co en Wire DOI a, of 74 guns each, for the Blest StatiOne'•
Arrived the Gastatta cutter., (rem Torlsty..-The Wasp, of 11
guns, and TEA: ca, of 14 guns, came from the Sound to Stoney
house Poolr-The Rase, of Se guns, went as Hassan to
the Sound.—lt is very probable that the lam Squadron wI
again come to anchor, as the wind is from the Westward. 3111 i
Admiral is however making a good oing, in espeetadon of a
shift of wind.

and cultivation ?he would have remained, to use the The Hon. F. ROBINSON expressed sows dii
quotation that had been employed, like one of" theist!: deuce in rising upon a question on which so ms
lumps of mark, which encumbered the ground, but Gentlemen much superior to himself were anxious
were incapable of fertilizing it."—(Hear.) He was deliver their opinions. This, however, had alws
e surprised at a gallant Officer's laying so much stress appeared to him a question in which magnificer
on a petition from Fermanagh, on account of its nu- of declamation, exuberance of wit, and vehemer
-.0 onerous signatures—he who had fought and bled in of invective, were unnecessary. He had last ys
Egypt, leading on Catholic soldiers, whose conduct assented to the motion that had been made, a
and loyalty he had praised, as well as another gal-" he should now assent to the present motion. I
lam Officer, who said that their conduct was an had defended it before, as he should defend it sic
honour to the army, and who, at their head. re- on the armed rh2P rhp /111PCtirlil Pflftla trt curl

• lant ()fixer, who said th
l' honour to the army, and
1 ceived that wound in hi
distinguished him. That
portunity of knowing the
the 6th, having comma;
formed his guard at Rome
him distinguished honour
the descendants of the F
surprised him. They had
imprudence. Now, not r
times, and how persecutio
gions, they petitioned ag
• underlined the words " al
nour of human nature, thi
been presented. They c
dreadful effects of perseci
1 French Monarchy, and sh
through the bigotry of LI
derman (Curtis) said, cot
ts that every man had aril
Very true : but did not
than that, some years ba
,London in flames ? FAO,
were circulated, even at
pretending to be the opini
Grattan was insincere,
posed would be an insul
Such measures like 41 di
Statutes" were disgracef
tant Association he lame
amiable, benevolent, and I
Sharpe) who had lived a 1
and who had doubtless th
objections really did not st
and such matters ; but
calypse, wherein he had
wete admitted, the wrath
.
down on this kingdom !
}:. was done already by admi
is•
was circulated by the ne:
.
who being asked whether
like a God ? answered—'
(hear.) Were these absur,
• The securities were in oui
away, and doled back, liti
; tamed was of great imr
more secure by restoring I
land would not fall but by
Committee, and they mil;
sortable than they suppose
` ceded the veto on a form
i things ; —and what wool;
ment, wouli be spurned
It was not impossible 1
yet be given up. The
since the Reformation,
other subjects, and it
of Parliament no .v to rest
then noticed some a: tides
the date of February the
Sydney College, Cambrk
the diabolical nature of t
that it must net be cusp,
Romanists about the Coll
ty the Popish.struggk for
occupied so much of the
become an absolute nuisa
end to. He v.ished to ki
tary of State for the Hon
V such articles in that publi
i the way to conciliate ai
will? One might almo
things, that one lived in
racy. The writer of the
written the inscription on
pointi
Like a tall bully, lifts ii
Convinced he was, that
that the Cow t favour sh,
the passing of the meat
as that of the Tolerat
he was sure that the Chu:
To use the expression of
the debate, those with mil
with mitres in their head
rent course from that wl
even those who had mitre
them improved by transit
now, as it was expected t
be done. The Church 1:
means of opposition. I-
deacon sending to his al
nature, or to receive his
lued this world's goods
dignitary was supposed,
tam very different sentin
Catholics was now to be
‘,, 1 400 k
he back to the promises
ten ? Who was it that
ipectation ? Who tempted
IVVho was it disappoints
Be trusted that the HI
should not be deceived t
would nobly follow up 1
agreed by such a majorit;
supposed, no Royal Cor
Way of the claimants ; as
4 a Royal Conscience
.
A- and if that fact were
winced that the worthy
not be burthened, as he l
Petitions. Such Pctitiont
$y the Committee's enteri
work, all the labours of
i•at length be consummau
$ Might be admitted to all
;aye the Throne, which n
• , Prince, as the supreme he
Establishment, and fur
.enour of our laws. The
lerive additional security
.eeurity and safety of U
would be allowed a time
he pursuits she had late
ter d votion to her real an
'I vould become satisfied an
.4
;a, Aire would be renderet