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the rattle. He din not know whether that man was
Graham or not.
By Mr. R. SMITIf —Would not undertake to say that
G. Graham was not the man who threw the rattle.
Colonel BARRY wished G. Graves to be recalled,
but be did not appear. He then called Christopher
Gology, but he was not in attendance either.
Mr. Mor.re was then examined. The Grand Jury
were sworn before they knew ;hat the rioters were
not to be tried for a capital offence.
Colonel BARRY then called Richard Farrens, but
he .was not in attendance.
Sir It. lIERON, the Chairman, desired the S:rjeant
to keep the witnesses more in attendance.
Mr. Pramcrar, examined by Colonel BA nny.
He was certain some of the panel of the Petit .lury
were challenged by the Crown; but he did not Te-
o llect how many, or whether B. Wadden wits the
only one so challenged. Ile did not see the baring
of the question.
It. Graves 11.)w made his appearance.—He was
examined by the GT and Jury, but they exhibited no
impatience in that examination. Ile was heard
throughout his examination with the greatest polite-
ness. He recollected h•aring that the persons round
the Statue previous to t.:e 4th of November were dis-
persed by the military, ald snme of them wounded.
He had seen an accou a of the riot at the Theatre
published in an Alanatrack, which was printed by
authority. It called the persons assassins who threw
a log of timber. Ile did not see ate piece of timber
thrown. He believed it was thrown, but the Alma-
flack' did not correctly describe it to call it a heavy
log of timber. It was less than a watchman's rattle,
and was such an one as persons going to a masque-
rade would use. It was never proposed to him to
sign infOrmations against the rioters at the Theatre
without having the informants before him. Many of
thew itnesses were examined at the Castle, and not
before the Police Magistrates. He never refused to
lign any informations, or committals. He never was
kialled on to sign any informations which he was not
suffered to read. It never occurred to him, when at
the Theatre, that there was a plan of assassination
against the Lord Lieutenant. The Atkinsons had not
been examined before the Grand Jury.
By Dr. Luantwozom—The attention of the Ma-
gistrates had been called to the dressing of the Sta-
tue, by orders to that purpose. Did not know of
any disturbance about the dressing of the Statue;
till after the arrival of the King. Could not speak as
to the fact, that some of the citizens of Dublin had
been insulted, but believed they had. On a late oc-
casion witness had received particular instructions to
preserve the peace.
C. Gology had been a witness Before the Grand
Jury of January, 1825. The Jury had conducted
themselves as they ought. Had not been examined
before the Petty Jury. Witness apprehended Henry
Handwich. Witness said no one could be so daring as
to throw a bottle at the Representative of Majesty.
By Sir J. NEWPORT.—Witness was not a Member
of any Orange Lodge.
Mr. GOULBURN could not see the pertinency of
many of the questions.
W. Irwin was a peace officer, and was examined
before the Grand, but not before the Petty Jut y. Had
been treated with civility before the Grand Jury.
Colonel BARRY here stated, that some of the wit-
nesses were not in attendance, One of them, a Mr.
Brocas, had received so severe a beating in Dublin
as to be unable to attend. He wished the examina-
tion of Mansfield to be finished, that Mr. Whistler
might be able to attend.
Sir J. NEWPORT was desirous that both Mans-
field and Mr. Whistler should be examined at the
same time, sa hich he conceived could be done with-
out any inconvenience to the public service.
Colonel BARRY said, he should examine no more
witnesses to-night, unless some of those already called
should appear.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
if no more witnesses were to be called, the sooner the
Chairman left the Chair the better.
Benjamin Ricketts examined.—The panel witness
gave in was that of the Corporation. Out of eighty-
fork on the panel, there ha 3 been only one Common
Councilman, though the panel had been formed im-
mediately upon the election of the Corporation; wit-
ness recollects the trial of the Shears, but did not re-
member the nature of the panel.
The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and ob-
tained leave to sit again on Wednesday.
The Minutes of Evidence were laid on the table.
On the motion of Mr. BROWNLOW, the Grand Jury
panels of the City of Dublin for 1798 and 1808 were
ordered to be laid before the House.
NEWFOUNDLAND.

The CHANCELLOR of the.EXCHEQUER rose
to move that the House should resolve itself into a
Committee on the Customs Duties Act. •
Mr. HUME asked what had been done since last
Session for the Colony of Newfoundland, an Island
as large as Ireland, with 100,000 inhabitants, which
*as still an anomaly in the circle of British Colonies ?
His Majesty's Ministers had disregarded all the re-
presentations of the inhabitants, notwithstanding their
frequent applications for relief and redress. Why
was there not a proper system of justice established
there, instead of the present temporising one? Cap-
tains and Lieutenants were appointed to expound the
laws of England, as if on board ships. The inhabit-
ants had petitioned the House of Lords, in 1821,
complaining of those grievances which were most
harassing to them ; such as obliging the persons who
complained to suffer twelve or fifteen lashes, by or-
der of the Commanding Officers. Judge Thorpe,
who in St. John's had given universal satisfaction,
and who was thorQughly conversant with the affairs
of that colony, was now in this country, and, if • the
House thought proper, could be examined before a
Committee. The regulations of the CourtsiofJus-
tice there ought to be amended. Was it not 'im-
proper that one brother should be allowed to dis-
pense justice to his brother? The dispensations of
the laws there reduced many to the lowest misery,
under the semblance of justice. The examples. of
' the horrid effects of that system were too frequent.—
The internal regulations of the colony too required
amelioration. Why were so many ships of war kept
there? To dispense justice? Ridiculous. Would
it not be infinitely mote advantageous to have a re-
, gular civil government there established ? Instead
of giving encouragement to the Fisheries of New-
foundland, the Governm .taseia the importation of
food into that colony, so that the Americans were

enabled to out-fi.-11 that colony. He thought that a
Committee ouoht to bentpoointed to take the whiYe
of the grievnnces of the colony into consideration, . .
There Wad been various Petitions presented to the .
(louse, which called for consideration. There were
too parties there holding conflicting opinions, which
ought to he thoroughly examined. The negligence,.
too, which had been paid to fines levied, demanded
an investigation. The state of property was such,
that no colonist could now sell to advantage, in con-
sequence of its being under the jurisdiction of the
Governor; in short, the whole system required to be
reversed. Ile therefore hoped the House would ap.
plot a Committee to enter into a full examination of
it up stairs. He hoped there would be an inquiry in.
I stir uted into the nature of the protection afforded to
this colony, and the encouragement given to its
fisheries. He saw ro reason for the appointment of
vessels of war to protect our fishery there, any more
than it was necessary for the Americans to give a
similar protection to their trade. On the whole, he :
!loped that Administration would not oppose this in.:
~wiry, as in ten or fourteen days he hoped the House
would base the fullest information on this sulsieet.....
lie then moved that a S:Aect Committee be 4pp/doted
to investigate the state of the Revenue, the Filseries,
and the Laws in Newfoundland.
Mr.WILNIOT-HORTON con idered that the HO -.
Member was not now in a situation to demand a
Committee to inquire into the qate of this colosiy.
Because a question had been a•ked by that Honour-
able Member respecting a Public Officer's conduct.
and would not be answered, that would not be a fair
season for calling a Committee on all occasions. It
had been intended to do away with the Surrogate
Courts, and, so far, there was no necessity
,feu
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lect Committee. It had been argued, that as Prince
Edward's I-land had a local Legislature, o
Newfoundland to have one. Now, it appeared that
Prince Edward's Island was long since tiled of its
local Legislature ; and that the people of Newfound-
land, from their habits in summer, attending to their
fisheries, and from its want of roads in the winter,
could not possibly attend the Sittings of such a Le-
gislature. The great object of complaint no rby the
Petitioners was the Surrogate Courts, which it had
been determined to abolish by the Act now intended
to be introduced. Nothing could be more satisfactory
than the opinion entertained by the Colonists of Chid
Justice Forbes' conduct and judgment, as expresed
by the Address of the inhabitants of St. John's;
yet that very able and intelligent Judge had ad-
mitted that it was altogether. inexpedient to intro.
duce there such an independent local Legislature.
He did believe, that when this Bill was submitted to
the House, it would be found that this act of the Le.
gislature would provide for the grievances com-
plained of an adequate remedy. As to the case of
Mr. Holland, he was not prepared on a sudden to .
meet the charge made against the individual coo.
cerned. The Hon. Member ought first to have moved
for papers before he attempted to inculpate a public
officer on a vague charge, and call on the House to
appoint a Committee to sit for fourteen days on the
subject. He denied that proclamations of the Go- •
vernor were now considered to have the force of law;
and he believed it would be found that the chars:cur
of the Governor, Sir Charles Hamilton,. was above
suspicion or censure. There were now no restrictions
On the cultivation of the soil. On the licenses, be
should only observe that new arrangements were in-
tended to be adoi!_ed as to licenses and the
charges thereon, but it would be endless and unjust
if any Member should be entitled to a Committee, in
every case where he asserted that certain charges bad
come to his knowledge, without giving those at home,
who were the natural protectors of official mon, in
opportunity cf previously knowing what their notate
was, so as to be able to meet and refute such charges .
in their place iii Parliament. He thought enpugk
had been said to chew that no such Committee was
necessary, and informed the House it was his inten-
tion to introduce a Bill for consolidating the Acts re-
lative to Newfoundland, in which the intended new
Act should be introduced, both of which, after hav-
ing been printed, he should propose should lie over
until the next Session, to enable the parties interested
to judge of its propriety.
Mr. M. A TAYLOR said, that all the grievances
complained of had been admitted by the Hon. Colo-
nial Secretary, and yet that Hon. Gentleman refused
a Committee, and begged them to suspend all in-
quiry until he had brought in his Bill for consolidating
all the laws relative to this Colony. This Colony bad
been now long declining; the origin of this decline
was the baneful treaty with America, which bad re-
duced her to beggary, instead of commanding, as
she once did, the trade in fish to the shores of the Ma
diterranean, for which she brought back a return is
money and bullion, and drawing from this coven
a constant supply of our native produce, for saki*
she paid by her own successful industry. Under Id
these circumstances, he could not see bow the Wiese
could refuse to accede to the proposed Committee.
Captain GORDON said he would put it to as
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man of honour, as a gentleman, whether, if. 1111 '
charges produced were founded on fact, they would
not be considered as affecting private charaiter?--
Such charges should be first inquired into, and the
truth ascertained, before they were mentioned hid*
House. Anonymous publications were not tulleilto
authority. The charge of having misapplied &feed°
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was, he felt confident, entirely without fotindatiadi
Mr. BRIGHT thought sufficient grounct-wai table .
out for granting a Committee. The House inultil.
otherwise know whether or not any. abuses clime&
He 'hoped, when the Bill was brought in, thattespa-
son would vote for it unless he could pat his hairdo
his heart and say he understood it. There waved
one Colony belonging to the Empire, of the stait
society in which they were so entirely ignorant.. , :
object in voting for inquiry was, not to asentaitutli.:
had done the wrong, but what had been done
•
Mr. BUTTERWORTH supported the mode& vc'
Sir J. NEWPORT said, he doubted wheat/ma*.
lonial Legislature would be either practicable-to 4111'
airable. He thought the remainder of thisfisuive
,could not be better employed than in inquiring we]
be boo
the state of the Colony. They would then
prepared to discuss the Bill next Session. It waater
.cli.
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grounds he should vote for a Committee.
Mr. HUME said a few words hi reply. Fie
cept what he hinsAlf. investigated, a
having brought any charge against thenaGoifears:

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