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tleman. Re called upon the Horse not to counte-
nance this covert motion for Reform. 'Hi warncd
them that that was the object of it ; and that 'the
Honourable and Learned Gentleman would never
be contented with the Bill for abolishing the petty
offices he, had talked of, nor by the removal of the
Membetl of that House alluded to by him.—
If they granted him that motion, he would soon come
to them again and tell them that he should be un-
worthy the confidence placed in him by the House if
he did not tell them that nothing in conformance
! with the Resolution for diminishing the influents of
the Crown could be done, whilst that great nuisance,
Parliament itself, continued to exist. He would call

upon them to be true to themselves, and accomplish •
a Reform in Parliament, the basis of Which was laid
in his Resolution. It was not the influence of the
Crown that he aimed at. He was indirectly attempt-
ing to sap the foundation of Parliament; well know-
ing that if Parliament could be brought to stigmatize
its own character, it would not- be long before he
could, achieve its destruction—(Hear, hear).—These
were the grounds upon which he hoped the House
would pass to the Order of the Day, and give no
countenance to the motion of the Hon. and Learned
peptlentan—(Cheering).
Mr. H. G. BENNET said, that the Noble Lord had .
concluded his speech in the same manner as all his
Noble and Right Hon. predecessors. The interest of
the Crown. wa, too strong for the interest oFthe Peo-
ple. There were 18,000, or nearer 20,000 Of ap.
pointed and paid by theCtowni and he was astonished
that the Noble Lord could venture to make the state-

meats be had made to the House. In the year 1780,
the whole of the patronage-el the Post Office was
vested in the Postmaster General. At the present day,
the whole was in the hands of, the Treasury. The
same had. taken place in the
.Other Departments.of
GovernMent. In the Army; since 1793, 989 Officers
had been -deprived of their COmmiisions. So mtich.
for the influence of the Crown in the Army—(flear).
In-Parliament. there were 87 Placemen holding situar
tions to the Amount Qf 160,0001. There were also
73 NaStal and Military Officers who had seats in tliat
Houie.. • The. Hon. Gentleihan then alluded to the
Church patronage in the hands of the Crown, as a
great source of influence, there being 1,200 livings •
in the gift of the Crown. In 1780, the number of
Peers was 200; at the present day the number was.
378. No man could doubt that many owed their.
elevation to the Peerage, to the influence they pos.
sessed in. that House. The merits of the Parliaments
might be best. known by the difference betweetr.the.
state of the country n3w and what it had been in the
year 1792. He went the full
.length of .his Hon..
Friend. The Country would have a cheap Govern-
ment and a reformed Parliament.

Mr. S. WORTLEY stated, that • the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman had accused Parliament upon
false grounds. Helawno need of Reform in Parlia.•
nient—(Hear, hear jroni the Opposition)—which,
upon the principles of the Hon. Gentleman, would
lead to a change in the form of Government. Wien
the Government was in the hands of Mr. For, the
House naturallysupported him as the Minister of the
Crown. When the King had changed his Ministers,
after the death of Mr. For, it was not the part of the
House to tell the King •that he had done saroi,g, by
not supporting his Ministers ; and the counts) was
of the same opinion—(Hear, hear).—At the time of
the Walcheren Expedition, he had voted in the majo--
rity, as the effect of a vote of censure on Ministers
would have put the Gentlemen opposite in power;
and the country had no confidence in the Gentlemen
opposite for carrying on the war. So long as the
Gentlemen opposite flattered the passions and rreju-
dice, of the People, they would never acqusie the
confidence of the sober-minded part of the Eng.
lish nation,
Mt. PEEL was inxion, to rescue his Constituents
from the charge Which had, most undeservediy, been
thin is out against them by the Hots. Gt:nziermits. on
account of their election of Lord Grenville as their Chancellor.
But he would ask, who could the University have selected who
had a higher claim to that distolguished honour? Wh titer we
looked at his private'or public character; both gave him a claim
to the honour of the Chaitceslorshin; and when it was considered
that his opponent was Lord Eldon, he thought that was a suffi-
cient answer to the charge •thrown nut sgait,st the University
for their choice of Lord Grenville. The Right Om. Gentle-
man defended Lord Grenville for She course he bad adopted on
the CathoLc Question, in 1807 and, 1817.
Mr. Ni }atilt:KELL also defended the conduct of the Uri-
vetsity of Orford.
Mr.-BROUGHAM, in reply; said, the Right lion. Member
for the University of Oxford bad certainly shewo a laudable
deilte to defend hal constituerits, ha the Right lion. Gentleman
was snis:nformed. Ho. eonsidt red Lord Grenville a proper choice
for the University. The Noble Lurd had all the accomplish-
mints to qualify him for tile high office to which he was elected;
but he had saitLthat hadit not been for that N-oble bud's near
approach to power, he would not hav,e,betn elected. -Ile consi-
dered that election an instance of the power of the Crown out
e4doors. The Hon. and Learned Gent!eman having shortly
replied to the other topics of debate, the House divided,
For the amendment - - 216
For the motion - - • 101
Maioritlall44l4llbli med.*. - --IA s
• CANADA CrIFERNMENT AND TRADE BILL.

Mr. WILMOT brought tip the Report of the Canada Tads
Committee. The Resolutions-were read and agreed to.
Mr. WILMOT moved the Order of the Day for going into
a Committee upon the Canada Government and Trade 1111 E-i-,
-, He said that the intention was only to go into a Coalmine, pro
forma, for the purpose of embodying the Resolutiont of. the
COnimittee in the Bill. " • '
. HT did notation to glee his consent to any part
of the prOgtess of this_Bill. It went to effect changes as great as
the proximate cause of the American Revolution.
Mr..gLitcE suggested to his Hon—Friend the expediency
of allotting the House to go into the Committee, as it would not
pledge hicnisithe Bill.'
Mr. BRI.G HT explained, and the BilLwas committed. The
Report wan ordered to be received on Friday. Sth July.
Mr. BROG DEN brought up the Report of the Committee
of Supply. Upon. the Resolution foe advancing the sum •of
£loo,uon to Ireland,
General' GASCOY NE complained that the Session was al-
lowed to pass without anything more important being done for
the Irish people. Ile considered that one of the chief causes of
distress in that country was to be found in its superabundant
pordation.—The Resolution was agreed to.
The Window and Hearth Duties (Ireland) Repeal Bill was
read a third time, and passed.
The Kilmainham Pensions Bill was read for the third chile,
and passed.
A Message from the Lords announced their Lordships assent
to the Tonnage Duties Repeal Bill, and several Private Bills.
Idr. S. RICE gave notice, that on Thursday, the 4th of July,
be *mild move certain Resolutions, founded upon the Fourteen*
Report of the Commissioners for enquiring into the Courts of
Justice in Ireland, relative to the conduct of the Lord Chief Baron.
Mr. HUTCHINSON presented a Petition from Mr. Roviley
Lucelles, complainiug of abuses in the Record Office in Ireland.
Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. HUME said, that the Petition contained an allege**
which demanded inquiry.
Tips ether Orders of the .Day were thee postponed, aa4 she
Reuse adjourned at Half-put Twelve o'Clock.

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