Star.
London, England, 1831-08-13 00:00:00

PELGICM.

Mr. CROK ER said, 17;;;:u1dnot, in justice to the cba.
er of titi• country in Europe. del'ty noticing a %eject of,
tit; gyrate*t public into :st. Tie observations he Ws.. about
to make applied simply to the conduct of his %Hest% 's
II into' rs in that Must. The high re•peet he felt tor his
Noble Friat.7 (Lord Palmerston) would prevent his making
,15,4 63107.6 nt..t c.0t1.1 be disrespectful towards him. He
s'totthi r.-cal to •he c.ion of the house what had already
It.•tt oh,ce tei the. sulject of l'elgium. He hoped his Noble
V o t ,1 w. (1%1 now answer the question when the invasion sit
ootti t-y lloo!:ard was first communicated to bins?
I PA 3! ERSTON said. on vriday.
Mr. CROKVR said, on the fifth of August it was stated
t t •'lc boos,- by the Chanctlior of th- Exchequer, that ad.
✓ had to ell r.c.i•ed nom Sir ('hart.', Bigot chat notice
t.: h.er given to the Dutch lievernment that the armistice
v •• to be look:o, sod be had no deuht it was broken. The
• . isle lord added that they had received the account with the
✓ 3,. at strrise, bt cause there was at the me moment a R.I.
a • cr sent to this country hy the King of the Netherlands
o r ties :ter re,;ttt ;anon. who had not mentioned the fat. to
th •ei•reisfv at an interview witch he had had
‘. ti% noble triecd. By that otwervatort the noble
'...1 in.innt•ed something like pertly on the part of Llel
On To. sday the same facts were repeated in that
to use. With ,:nat surprise he learned from the report
of a tirinte to another ;dace. that not oft!y bed the Dutch
v.rntitent beer mill of ro perfidy or breach of faith. but
that on the Wednesday morning. the Dutch minister waited
. it his noble friend. and delivered him a letter, which re.
morel in his pos•easion upwards of 24 hours unopened.- -
The letter was addressed to the Conference of Powers ; but
he si•oulti resset thats point of form 'Ovoid prevent his noble
iriend reading a hone which sodeeply affected the peace of
lor.•pe. Its noble friend, when asked by his colleagu-s,
ad tb: Dutch minister given him no information on the
6 of breaking the armistice ? must have answered no—
) e said nothing to me ab...ut it ; he gave me a letter. indeed.
to the Corgress, 10.;eb, alien we meet to-morrow, will be
:med. (hear.) Would not any one who had heard the
• 'sive lord's fratement in that house. suppose, that the
p'tndiens King of Hdland had sent a minima to
n relate peace. whiL• he was insidiously breaking the
ant slice. and terming hostilities ? This was the int-
yr:ssion on the public mind of this country. The letter
vn r:atl by the Congress on Thursday, and stated, that
a iir,:o.iatiuz was tent to irvUt with .lie Congress. sod also
s-ated :hat his Mainly hail titterminzci to enforce the ne.'
etc:tattoo by military means .--(Htat, hear.) lie would
a‘k. wilt t!oat co:nnioniettion in their possession from
Wideestiay. ..nd in their knowledge on Thursday. how
em.id -sty en Friday and Saturday that the King
et Holland !• all il7 Alien the armistice without notice ?
(ileal.. hear) 1. tie letter sent to wive, that ro armistice
soul ever bee,. s auli. ed ; there was but a (sesta:ion of hoe.
toot,* A At and honest ration. our oldest al, should
1...1 be aecussa of having violated an armis:ice, sithma, at
the same tiro e. stating that they denied that there was any
an. .•t,c ..—(Hear. hear) The Dutch Gevernment had tee
• % • the meat eventful in their history, been left
.:e t -putat on of having perfidiously violated an ar-
o...tic:. sot diary had come oat of the month tst a
ilirealsh Mtnistero-the country to which they naturally
kid for peotection. Whet be asked his noble friend ne-
iesieretirg ;re letter d the Id of August, his noble trend
apikartal ts know nothing about it, till he told him it had

appeared in the Timm newspaper that roorninp. Ms noble
friend then recollected that the Dutch Mitils:er had read a
letter to him and the noble terd at the head of the Govern-
ment, io a very hurried ninnrer ; and his noble friend ap-
peared to take no notice of its con•ents, theis that wee the
key-tome of the whole negotiation. Was that the way in
which • communication from BAriem was received in
France P In one hour after the communication of the March
of the Dutch troops into Belgium, the troops of France were
ordered to march. When the account re,.clied this country
London and Westminter was all expectation yet Ids noble'
'nend paid an little attenti-in to the suroji to, that he did nee._
not even recollect the contente of the recr•nd letter whir°
contained, on the part of the King at Hollar.d, a manna
appeal to unite Europe in defence I.f his conduct. (Hear.)
The first letter wee only to the Conference hi Lon-
don ; the second letter, more explanatory, was to ail the
Courts of K.rope. it contnitied the same expression of
aline his military means which oitglit to have excited
the at ention of the Congress. ( Hear.) Although the letter
had been read to the not le lord on Friday, we are to be told '
on Saturday that the Dutch had made theit attack by sur-
prise, and that the words " military means" meant nothing.
The to n. gloat man here in a solemn manner declared that
his understanding with in ilesint,r hetote inch fermentation
—he knew not what it could mean. He admitted that Mi.
tasters might be right in not giving answers in MCA of diplo.
nosey, but he would enbetit to the house, that it they did
Five answers at all, there ought to be no diplomacy there.
Stich had been the three great days of the noble lord. In
which he had crucified the Dutch character, and sacrificed
those fortresses which had linen built by the Allies' money,
and purchased by English blood, to the tri.coloured flag of
Prance. (Cheers from the Opposition.) In this respect the
tri-coloured flag had done mote than had been attained by it
on the three memorable days of July. The hon. member here
said that he would appeal to public opinion on the sulijett—
he would appeal to one of the public journals of the day.
l'he lon gentleman ac oss the tattle might smile, but he
( Mr. Cruitel) was not going to quote t• at paper as official
authority, although he might be justified in so doing, tor it
we.. that paper which had first told them of the letter on
Thursday morning. The hon. gentleman quoted at great
length extracts from a daily paper, the leading arth les of
which had censured in round term, the character of the
King of Ilulland for duplicity, and which on having the
information, and a copy of the letter, containing the words,
• military means,' had turned round in defence of the King
44 Holland. and declared he had been unfairly treated. The
Honourable Member would ask evety Ilonoutable Gen-
tleman present, if, when he heard that document read, his
nthid was rot much relieved, and that be was convinced
the King of Holland was again In his old place, as the
firm and faithful ally of England, and that It the King
of
Holland had been acted towards as he ought, he
would not have lain unfit r these imputations fur a week, un.
til his character had been rescued by one of the public jour.
noir. He was conscious that he had trespassed a long time
on the patience of the house (hear),• hut all that he wished
for was to protect the charact r of she King 4.f Holland, and
to place this matter on a fair foting. tie bad quoted no-
thing but what had been published ; and in what he had
done he sought nothing for himeelf, he had done it all only
for the sake of obtaining justice. (Cheers from the (/ppo-
sirou.) The hon. gentleman concluded with moving, not
foe the letter of the 2.1 of August, but for that of the lit of
August. Ile might be excused for making the motion, see-
ing that thenoble lord, not only had not the letter at his
office, but he dill rot seem to have it in his head, and he
would move that it he laid before the house.

Lord PA LM RUSTON. in a few introductory sentences,
termed his surprise at the course which had been adopted
by the hon. gentleman. He had concluded by calling for •
letter of the Ist of August. to prove something that had
taken place on the 2il of August. His lordship said he
would not consent to the production of that letter; because,
although it sere produced, it would be hut an imperfect do-
cument, unless the whole series connected with it was also
produced, and, under existing circumstances, that could not
be complied with. This was one part of the hon. member's
speech to which he would not trouble himself much for a
imply. Another portion of the hon. gentleman's speech to
which he would not reply, were the copious estrects which
he had indulged in from newspapers. His lordship (assum-
ing a kind of jocose gravity) said, /et did not write for any
newspapers, (loud cbeers)—he was no editor, (loud cheers)
he was no contributor to the public journals (louder cheers.)
and consequently he did not consider himself accountable for ,
any thing that might appear in the joutnals of the day. Nor
should he be led indiscreetly Into discussion by the attacks
of the the hon. gentleman who, in a speech of upwards of
an hour and • half had indulged, during nearly two-thirds
of that speech, in personal abuse of himself (Lord Palmer-
ston). He had accused him of negligence of business, of
misrepresentation, of having improperly imputed acts to
allies, of ignorance of office, and other allegations. with •
view, no doubt, to drag him Into a long discussion which
might involve the whole of the question relating to Bel-
gium ; but he would not by these attacks be led sway
from his rectitude of duty as a minister of the crown.
—(Hear) He bad acted with propriety in that capacity
all along in the matter, and nothing that the hon. gon-
demon had said or done would lead him to act otherwise.
The lion. Gentleman, by the indulgence of the house and
the cheering sympathy of his friends, had got a very good
benefit of his own ; he was • very good joker; but when he
aspired to any thing higher there was a great deal of the
I mock heroic in it. (Laughter) His Lordship would
say that the Honourable Gentleman had much better
leave tragedy at all times, and come straight to farce.—
(Laughter and cheers.) He, as a person who was eons
‘errant with office, and knowing how Milliners might
be situated, ought to have acted as the Honourable Baronet
had done on the preceding evening, after an esplanatiou
sufficiently satieactory, postponed his motion. But be (lewd
Palmerston.) with all the accusations that had been hurled at
. hint by the hon. gent. of having been guilty of dereliction
towards the King of Holland, to go into a defence which
might seem to them round upon the Government of the
I Netherlands—he had never charged that Government
' eith any thing wrong. He would have nothing to do
a ith estractt frost newspapers, nor would he follow the
• honourable gentleman through all his disquisition, whether
or not there had existed an armistice— he would content
! hills& with merely stating, that on the 17th of Novem-
bee. a cessation of fighting had been established, and the
Dutch hail broken through it. The honourable gentleman
• pieces immense .treason the letter that had been received, and
! asks how such declarations could have born made, having
I pi osessisin of such infonuation, as if the honournble gentle-
' man would wish to fix that • letter reeeierd on 3Vedneaday,
12 o'cloek, could have detailed the even s that had occurred
on Tuesday. If the honourable g is letitan gave his notices
1
of motion in that house, he would no doubt always have the
sante advantage that the King of Holland expected totibutin
over Belgium. His lordship contended, that they were
1 wan...meal in saying, that they had contirerced hictilities
1 without notice. A despatch had been received, which
stated in foreign language. that the King of Hillard
I would support nis negociation with military mesas.—
' (Cheers from the Opposition.) Ti.. honounble gentle-
Iman had said, that he was astonished that any person with
two arms and two eyes could tint know what that meant.—
' The honourable gentleman also had dwelt upon the fact
of a Minister of State. an Ambassador, having come with
1 steam liehtning, or steam with the speed of lightning, and
, ye: that he (Lord Palmerston.) had kept in his pocket for
twenty-t' r hours the dispatch. oltb;ligh the fate of ffiltroPe
• was dependent upon it. In reply to this attack his Lordship
said, that he had mantle been a Member cf the Congress;
and, conforming to the established mule. had preserved the
letter which be had received until he could have an opportu-
nity to epee it in the presence of the Congress assembled. The
Minister of the Nethetlards Intl retitaii,ed with him in con-
versation for bully half an hour ; he stmed that he had
come with full power to negotiate, and that his autho-
rity was sufficient to implement eery engagement to
which he might subscribe; but be did not say that the de-
spatch which he had delivered required an immediate answer;
nor did he tell that hostilities bad then already commenced.
His lordship did not mean to blame the Ambassador, for he
had stated the Cale of his master ; but be time in the slight.
est degree hinted that the Dutch troops had entered Belfast.
(Hear) His lord:hip had so far, he thought, convinced the
house tnat he hid not adopted this Dutch haste without cause,
wnich had been attributed to bim by the boo, gentleman.—
( Hear, hear.) The government had been desirous to try
the experiment on the different ministers on the Wedaesday,
if from any or all of the cornspoodence they could have
supposed that the Dutch troops were to march, but they had
been disappointed : however, s ben they had the opportunity,
the CallurttOleatiOnt had been put into the hands of all the
Ministers, and not one of them could see any thing to indi•
caw an intimation of the march of the Dutch noel:IL When
ins lordship heard that the Dutch troops had crossed the,
boom aria of Belgium. an enplartation had 'been de-1
mended of the Dutch Plenipotentiary, and he could give
none . • ses that even it be had opened the letter he would
have not ave bent more wise on that bead. His lordship would
' insist that up tiU that pened a cessation of righting had
canted by agreement ; that one of the poem had

riOrnmenerd hestilitks without rash, and that power was the
Dutch. The French government, as soon as they heard it,
put in motion the telegraph, and sent in their troops, nor
was the English more r, lased, for immediately was their
fleet put in order, and plated under the command of Admiral
Codrington, as • measure 'which they thought fairly called
for. His I;nviship.conceived that now the evil of the II
Gent.'s sophistry was broken, and that be had founded
notions on a falai beats, not knowing the circumstances.—
(Cheers-) His Lordship said he was not at liberty to
say more on that subject, but he would say that there
could net be a mon unfair thing than to put a Minister
of the Crown on.. his defence, when the Honourable
Gesitleman must tome that the Minister's mouth was
sealed. (Cheers) With regard to the phrase, " Military
means," his lotdship bad put the question specifically
to every one patient at the Congress, andlmot one of
them could see the interpretation that the hon..gentlentan
now so clearly could comprehend. (Loud cheers.) His
lordship said he then considered it his duly to put the lever
into the hands of the two Dutch killitsry Plenipotentiaries,
they said that they might know much, but that they had no
instruction to give any capitulation. When asked directly
if the military had entered Belgium, they replied they had
no Instruction to that dile, although, said his lordship, at
the very time they were assembled for tie purpose of ono-
elation, hostilhies had actually begun. What then, became
of the hon. gentleman's accusation regarding the ignorance
of not understanding the simple phrase " military means,"
and his demanding •ity the Dutch Plenipotentiaries
had not been salted for an txplanadon. The right
honourable gentleman had. in terms broad enouf k al.
laded to him (his Lordship) not even being in the House
whin a question was asked on the subject. (Here 31r. ('ro-
ker, across the table, in a low tone, said, that he had rot
meant bona fide what he had said, s Aida was followed by
aim of opt, oh.) 'the hon. member had first asked for ro.
ducsl,m of the letter that had been received on the IV ed.
newlay, and then hr calle.l for that which had been received
on the Friday, as it he lied made sure that he would then
find the Government at fault. But his Lordship said he
would not be drawn into improper discussion, 110 was
not like the hon. Gentleman who, instlini of attending to
what occurred in that house, would devote his attention -0
newspapers, in the fruitless and profitless search for the real
statement f such matters, and on that information he must
know that it was highly improper to drag ministers into dis-
cusition on subjects like title. (Cheers.) His lordship.was
the more astonished at the honourable gentleman's conduct,
knowing his long experience in official capacity ; he could
not imagine a hether it was to gratify his own vanity (cheers)
or (sarcastically expreseed) he did it out of friendship.
(Cheers.) He might get a few cheers perhaps from a corps
without its officers, (Sir IL Peel nail left the house]
(Cheers) but his lordship could assure the hon. gentleman
that he was no friend to his country. His lordship sat down
Midst loud and continued cheering.
.hard BRUDENE I.L. in a speech of some length, ern-
drained the conduct of Government. He said that the first
cannon or musket that was fired in Holland, our ancient ally,
would reflect upon this country an indelible stain, whica
would require years to wipe out. (Hear, hear.) His lord.
ship inferred that government was throwing off all the an.
dent allies of the country. He instanced Portugal, where
the Id-coloured flag had been permitted to wave under the
walls of its capital. He would ask what was the reason they
had not interfered in the came of Poland ; but he could tell
the House why, the Government found that they had not
then to deal with helpless Holland or Portugal; and they
were afraid of the more powerful Russia. He felt convinced
that the policy pursued by the present Government would,
in future ages, become a bye-word, and be for ever con-
sidered disgraceful to Rngland.
Nlr. WRIGHTSON also censured Ministers, and con-
tended that Holland had given due notice of its inter. 1
dons. 1

Lord STOR3I ON T reprobated the conduct of Minis.
tees, and wounded that the King of Holisted had hven
badly treated, and had given all the notice that could be
requirt d.
Sir G. MURRAY said, Ministers. when they complained
of being accused at a time they were able to give expianations,
were themselves the accusers of the King of Holland. They had
accused him of nothing less than a breach of faith. The noble
lord bad, on a former night, said that his Majesty had broken
the armistice. He bad said that no communication, verbal or

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written, had been made to the Conference respecting the step
Majesty was about to adopt; and a few minutes
after the noble lord had made that statement, he (Sir
G. Alurray) beard it admitted in another place, that a let-
ter had been received. giving notice that his Majesty in-
tended to resort to his military means. In his opinion the
meaning of that letter was clear. Yet, ministers had said
in that house that they had received no notification. The
relation between Holland and Belgium was not that of an
armistice, as stated by a noble lord. The chief mirdster of
the King of Holland In his circular to the Dutch naval au-
tborities, stated expressly that there existed only a cessation
of hostilities. He considered that there was not a shadow of
Imputation to be east on the King of Holland. ( Hear, '
hear.) lie do aired not that, when the time cane.
Ministers would be able to give satisfactory explanations,
but It was very necessary that the attention of the public
should be very clog. ly directed to all the recent proceedings
in the Netherlands and in Portugal. ( Hear) It would
seem as if our policy had been in some degree subservient to
that of another power (hear) ; towards which he (Sir G. M.)
as a military man, felt great respect, on account of the bra-
very of its troops, the ability of its °Seem but towards
which, as a Briton. he would feel great regret that our pa
Bey should be subservient. (Hear.) The strongest grounds
must be shown when the time of explanation came, for the
attack made on Portugal, and forcing of the entrance of the
Tagus, by French men of war, while a British fleet was
performing evolutions in the channel. (Hear.) In the se-
paration of Belgium from Holland. be readily acquiesced.
provided Belgium became not connected with Franc:. It was
said that the dart of Sir E. Codrington was placed at the dis-
pos.ol of the conference. He should wirt to know whether the
French army was at thedisposal of the confetence, atid whether
an order of the conference would be followed by its wi.hdrawaL
(Hear.) The King of the French had stated with some ens-
pbaan in his speech that Belgium would not form part of the
Germanic Cohfrderstion. Ile (Sir G. M. regretted that it
should not form part of that b dy. The King of Belgium.
owing to the war lie bad to sustain, had his life daily ex-
posed. Were that Prince to die, to whom would the So-
vereignty got Had Government taken at.; steps on that
subject ? He was the more anxious on this point, as he
saw at the head of the Fretich soldiers in Belgium a Prince
who bait la•ely been elected King of that moony. (Hear )
' He would not pursue these observations tanner; he would
wait until the promised explanations were given, and
would now only remind Government that the policy of
Britain had ilitilerio been to : toted the weak against the
strong, and to be the bulwark of Europe against the egres-
sion of France.—(Cheers.)
Lord A1:111101dP was surprised the gallant elizer Lhould
throw out nimbi.. and doubts against ministers, at time
when he knew it was quite impossible for flu= to offer es.
planation. (Hear.) Ile trusted the house would suspend
its judgment, and woad recollect that when the gallant
caw stated his doubts, it was quite impossible fur minis-
ters to enter into explanatior. (Hear, beat)
Sir G. URRA Y explained. The noble lord had a little
overstated the purport of his (Air G. M.'s) speech. ( Hew.)
For in the carmen that spawn he had said, he telt no doubt
but that ministers possessed die means of a satisfactory es-
palmation.
Mr. PR A RD.—lt, at least, clearly appears that minnows
have brought a charge against the king of Holland, our
ancient allyS, without the shgb est foundation.
Sir C. WETHERELL—The relation between Holland
aid Belgium was that of a mere suspension of hostilities.
Under that relation to Holland her proceedings werejustilin
by the law of names and bj the laws of morality. She was
Mt even called on to give notice of her intention to resume
&Adkins. Ministers bed impeached his Dutch Majesty
it justly. And it was when be was unfortunate that they
thus unjustly impeached him ! As to the mensal conduct
of government, be would only my that it did DM go paininse
split sin that of the French, who were a Aeon and in ac-
tion. whilst we were still negociating and protosolinsat
Mr. CRUKER. in Ow course of his reply, said the
eahle lad. as t Reitman of the Conserence. was not at liberty
to open a letter addressed to it, he should, at loa■ . have
convoked the COOttftDCO instead], OD the reeeption of the
letter. The *obis lord had used the words "violation" and
"armistice." when he had in his pocket a letter deoyiag the
existerce of an armistice. The right bon. gentleman com.
chided a lengthy reply by saying, that the able speech of his
noble friend (Perineum) hod only confirmed him in the
high opinion he entertained of his lordship. He hoped his
noble friend would always feel that his (Mr. Crokw's) obser-
vations were addressed to the Minister and DOI to the
Lord PA L NIERSTON could assure his right hen. friend
that this was a species of political sparring which left norm-
presents behind. (Hew, hear.)
The nietion was the; negatived without a &video.
Mr HU %IR would postpone the moues be bad given
notice of for to-morrow (Saturday) till Tuesday.

1110114

The house thee went intoaormmittee on the reform MU.
After *few wards from Oland Sibthorpe, Lord Althorp,
and Lard O. fiewanst, Es baimmilta in schedule G. (Chas-'
ter. COrowan. Cumberland, Do*, Devon. Durham, Es-
sen, Obecemer, Kan, ilemplAre, Lancaster, Leicester,
Natalkliardlianpars. Nortluguberiand, Nottingham,Salop,
Ihararest. Wind, lberrey. Sussex, Warwick, Wilts,
Werrams.) were &doped part of ebtuse I I, and ere to return
each four members.
Chose 10 (which had been postponed) was then rut. It
wee to the erect that the county of Lincolnshire be divided
into two districts, the district of Lindsey and the eisniet
of Kesteven and Holland ; each district returning two
members.
After a few words from Mr. Willie.,
_ _ .

Colonel SIBT HOR PR said Lincol;Abbe wu entitled to
fear extra members. (Hear and a laugh.) When its popu-
lation and riches Were compared to thus of Durham, bomb-
moron. Se. it war evident bat It bad been unfairly treated.
He disappeoved of the division. The smaller division
(Lindsey) trould have within it eight members, while the
larger (Kesteven and Holland) would return six members.
(Coughing.) He would not be interrupted, the sentiments
he expreswei were honestly and independently delivered. He
contended that the division would convert Lincolnshire into
two nomination districts. _ _

Coh nel SIBTHOIt PR Tres understood to withdraw his
opposition to the motion.
Mr. IV MKS was glad of this result.
Mr. A DRA NR thought the division of the county would
he perreptly just and ptoper.
Motion agreed to, and the remainder of the clause was
then adopted.
The CH AIRMAN th,n proposed Clause 12, which
provides that frett.o!dent, &c. in such counties (Lincoln
and York) vote in the svparate divisions as if they were
Countit s.

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Sit B. S WIDEN mid he could not see what was the ob.
jcct of this clause. If the property of an individual lay in
both divisons, how was he to vote? They were now ap.
matching the essence of the Bill, the character of the eon.
stituency. (He spoke amidst much noise In the Committee,
of which he complained, and which the Chairman endea-
voured to correct.
Colonel SIBTIIOPR rose and said, if this noise and
interruption continued, be should move the adjournment of
the House. _ _

Sir E. SUDDEN resumed, and urged the Committee to
pay particular attention to the principle of this clam.. He
thought the principle was dangerous that was recognised in
this clause. He thought there ought to be some qualifica-
tion of the rights of voting in towns and counties. He was
abnut to notice clause 16.
Lord A LTIIO RP trusted that thee, observations would
not he pressed now. Clause 16 was one of great importance,
hut lie trusted discussion on it would not be anticipated, es-
pecially till he had the opportunity of stating his views on it
to the committee. (Hear.)
Sir K SUDDEN thanked the noble lord for this informs.
tion, and would not pursue the subject farther.
Lord AT HORP said the object of the bill, amongst other
matters, was to extend the right of voting to freeholders,
copy holders, and leaseholders ; but not to allow the inhabi-
tants of towns or boroughs to give votes for counties. Thls
would be Increased protection to agriculture. As to lands in
both division+, they would give votes foe each, as if they
were situated in different. It had been found not very prac-
ticable, or just, to exempt non.resident freeholders.
Sir ti. CLERK thought the clause was susceptible of
much misconstruction, and therefore suggested that it should
be postponed altogether.
Sir E. SUDDEN observed, that as clause 16 was likely
to be much amended by the Government, the amendments
ought to be printed. (Hear.) Were these important clauses
to be profteded with to-morrow (Saturday)?
Lord ALTHO RP replied, that to-morrow he should not
propose those clauses which were likely to occasion much
diffaeree of opinion. As to the present clause, he had no
objection to its being struck out, with the view, as was under-
stood, of imroduring a general regulation in clause 16.
Mr CROKER asked what was the use of meeting to
morrow, if questions that experienced opposition were not
to be premed.
Clause negatived by confers.
Clause 13, which regards the giving a third membir to ter-
tain counties, was next proposed.
Col. WOOD thought it would be better to give a second
member to the Welsh counties. The principality 11/14, moot
loyal, and ought to be considered. Let the seven members
be distributed amongst the Welsh counties, and that would
preserve the uniformity of county representation.
Sir G. CLERK supported this view of the case, as to the
propriety of distributing the seven members to counties
which at present twinned only member each ; but he
he ought to put in a word foe Scotland, as there were coun-
ties there that contained one hundred thousand inhabitants.
Lord A LTHORP said, after the additions to the menu.
factoring districts, it was deemed a counterpoise in favour of
the landed interest, to give three members to the counties
enumerated in this clause. These counties were well worthy
of this additional representation ; be, therefore, could not
consent to the proposed change as regarded Wales. As to
Scotland. reformers coasidered that it had no repo sentation
now. The bill would give it repreeentatioo ; therefore, it
could have no additional claim. _ _

Dlr. *DEANE said, after the bill ethould pass. the whole
county of Can bridge would send bat five members to that
house—three for the county, and two for the borough of
Cambridge, which was less than its fair proportion. The
University represented the learning of the whole ki4dow,
and should not be reckoned in the representation of any
county. When the report should be drawn up, he hoped
Ministers would give a representative to the rising town of
WitMeach.
3lr. THROGMORTON mid. all his constituents were
perfectly satisfied with the clause under discussion ;at t
thought cmtesu would be more rare where three were three
31embers instead of two.

Mr. FERGUSON thought three Members would have
the erect or preventing compromises, which was most de-
sirable. He thought the representation of Scotland should
be focussed much more than was intended. _ _

Sir GEORGE MURRAY thought !Scotland fully en-
titled to a greater number of 'limbers. In some English
counties there was a 31ember fur every 14.000 inhabitants,
while in some Scotch counties these was but one representa-
tive to from 100.000 to 100.000 inhabitants. The increased
representation of &olio.' by the bill was entirely given to
the commercial and manufacturing interests; asd nc thought
the agricultural in•erests ought to be equally protected.
Lord MILTON said the bill for reforming the represen-
union of Scotland might be said to give it the ebole fifty
members, as at print there was no such thing as popular
representation from one end of Scotland to the other.
31r. PRA ED and 11r. W. WY iS proposed that the fur
they discussion of the clause should be postponed till to.
morrow.

Ilr. RSTCOURT hoped the noble lord. after such close
attention. would allow the house to adjourn to Doody.
Lord A LTUORP thought the discussions on Saturday
were so satisfactor7 that they ought to be continued, as it
must be the wish ot the house to bring the measure to a eon-
slusioe as speedy as possible.
%Ir. W. BANKRAI hoped sitting oft Saturday would not
be petvevered in t ft would probably deprive the house if
the assistance of the Jews that were to be introduced Into
the reformed Paslbusent. (A laugh.)
The AIRMAN pot the question that the ►lank be
Stied up with the word three.—Agtsed to.
The house resumed.

The CHAIRMAN reported peeress, and asked leave to
sit again this day.
On the motion of Mr. °RAT N, that the bill foe di..
qualifying judicial Aims from ignites in Parliament should
be read a snood time, a convetsarios ensued between Sir (i.
Clerk, Mr. S. Rice, and several other honourable members,
Mr. Grattan consented to withdraw tits bill, and obtained
leave foe that purpose.
Lord A LTRORP moral the appointment of a Eska
Comml•tee to consider the charge for the Civil Establish.
meat of the United Kingdom, hitherto defrayed from the
Civil List, and remaining unprovided for.
The motion, after MOW considoratior. was agreed to
The remaining orders of the day woe then disposed of,
and the House adjourned at a Quarter past Two o'Clock.

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE.
...-
CHAMBER OF DLPUTIES-Tu BPD,IT.

The President read the proposed address, whirls has been
already published.
31. Camila Pzatza said. Oewardiroo. lort=spododit
Ore imilatbk have the "Irk sad camisst N war
ben Fthe eposof by whams
of et imusprandies. New, thadsies, it is of the re-
lidad system Wish dletated thins seta that we are theism of
apessidwg, eager M _manes you that shot system shise amid
ensure for the drums the molts obtained is the peeled
elapsed. Thst goon, which we de no latter ourselves
with haring lammed, because a paid& system Is stet

ended, Is to be found writhe In the Is of thirys ; Ina
what is that system ? In our kneeler affair it h the Chat
ter. the whole Charter, and nothing but the Charter.
the Revolution of July desire more than the Charter ? N 4
one dares say so. It came, sot to recrsonence, too •to
terminate our lint revolution nor was it a signal tiles
to France and to the world, calling upon all to rigor
in hazardous experiments, sod interminable combo',
It *night to mauve us • definitive Governmen and
the Charter is the only programme of that Government
What then is necessary to be faithful to the object of do:
Revolution of July ? To put the Charter loyally and frauy
into execution. Well, Gentlemen, that is what we Mere done,
Two things are now comprised in the political code, 'bee
are, the laws already nude, and those to be made. Le; u.
net deceive ourselves; beyond the Cha ter, beyond the
constitulonal royalty, that is to my, beyond the gcVemmet::
of the three powers which concur in the making of all Ve
laws and imtitudons there is nothing which really belong%
to the revolution of July. It stopped there, and all due
was sought to be given you beyond this, as the conk.
qualms of that revolution are only the first fruits of a new
one. Now Fount loudly and daily declares that it enter.
tains a horror for all new revolutions Now, Gentlemen, it
is for you to complete our work. During your shelve we
have been able to undertake and maintain • difficult con.
teat ; but now, when you are assemLied, we can do nothing
without the concurrence of your efforts and confidence.
Power exists only in the keyway maintained between
the depositories of au brolly end the representatives of the
nation, and that harmony must be complete; for, were it
in the smallest degree doubtful, where would be the
force—where the support of an administration eon.
smithy unposed to the mercy of unforeseen 'eves ?
Under such conditions we should consider OUT•elVel
culpable were we any longer to remain in posseelon tt
power. The confidence of the King cannot he 'elevated
from yours. In effect, before that alliance, and before that
alone, will fall those parties who are now in activity to trots.
ble the repose of France. Such is our system of intericr
policy, Gentlemen, to take the Chatter fur the invariable
rule of our conduct ; to re-constitute power, and togive to it
the force and unity which is memory ; to re-establish 41
interests, by creating guarantees of order and stability ; to
respect the laws ; to draw upon order and moral force, from
whence flow all our means of action and influence ; and, in
short. never to consent on form a party government, and
while watching with a vigilant eye over plots hatched in
darkness, never to yield to the pleasure of crushing the ran.
quislied, for it is thus that victory is dishonoured.
I now proceed to our foreign policy. The system that we
have pursued abroad is reproached with having been to the
neglect of the consequences of the revolution e f July. This
, system we found already established by negotiations set on
foot, and which we necessarily followed up. We enure!
in:o the paths traced out for us, but we believe that we en.
tered upon them with a firmer step, and more decided inten-
tions. We adopted the system of peace, remote we thought
that a destiny more glorious and durable awaited out country
by placing itself at the head of civilisation in Europe, hi
the ascendancy of moral force rather than by the alarm of
bayonets. The state of Europe, the interests of the pow.
era, their dispositions, and their conduct; the events that
have occurred within six months, within eight dins ; the
wars in which we are actors or witnesses, all &test
that the peace of the world may be maintained, and
that it principally depends upon Prance. This is not to
'say that we ought to seek peace cost what it may.
Gentlemen ; to avoid war, we ask no sacrifice of the honour
of the nation, but merely that of passions a-d theories—.
(Cheers.) What do these theories say It—That the pis
ciples of our Government being opposed to those of the
Great States of the Continent, war is the consequence of this
contradiction. Thus, French liberty can only be saved by
the conquest of the universe. I leave facts to speak._
Pro ugsl had outraged the laws of humanity with regard to
Frenchmen The Government announced to France satis-
faction or justice. Justice has been lime and satisfaction
obtaired.

In Italy you have seen, as we announced at this tribune.
the troops of the Emperor of Austria evacuate the Roman
states. Romagna is pacified. That feeble intonteeon,
which was unable to emancipate it, has not led to its tippets.
e'en. Owing to our negociatiosis useful refotms have been
in part obtained. What more was there to be done ? The
events of Italy were commenced before our Cabinet was
formtd ; we found the Duchy of Modena invaded ; the Ate.
trians were marching toward, Romagna; the Government
then promised that if they entered they would not occupy it.
this promise has been fulfilled. Italy breathes again, and,
without us she would be the 'beau, of bloody rt.-actions.
Poland, more strong and more Waterbed than Italy, occu.
pied the world very differendy. Witnesses of her heroic
courage, and alarmed at her perils, we participate in that
profound sympathy which France experiences for a natkn
whose glory and misfortunes have so often united the
destinies of the two adobe—a sympathy, the expression
of which has been ly proclaimed in a solemn
ores
loi
act !—(Strong sensation. But wishes would bety a
ro
fruitless homage. On the Ifich of March, no mediation
had yet been offered for Poland. We counselled the King
1 to offer his the that. His allies hastened to unite sitti
him to arrest the combat, and secure to Poland conditions of
nationality with sorer guarantees. These negotiations me.
tinue : we follow them up with anxiety, for blood is
fusing, the peril is urgent, and vinery is tot always tsitb.
fol. Thus, whilst we are accused of indifference, every
day beholds us employing the means of intercession. To
what other means could we have had recourse ? Ought we,
as it has been said, to have recognised Poland ? But nip
posing even that the faith of treaties and the respect of our
foreign relations had given us the right to make thie se.
knowlidgment, it would have been illusory, unless it
had been followed by efforts, and thew war would bar
ensued. I appeal to the reason of the Chamber. Ought
France to recommence that gigantic campaign io which
the fortunes of Napoleon became a wreck ? Has this
war which we age called upon to wage been well re-
lieved upon ? his a war which will lead us across the
whole breadth of the entreat—lt is a universal war, the
object of so much deliricus ambition, of so many chime-
rical passions ! Can it be plentd that this heroic cru-
sade would save Poland; No, gentlemen; for if once Freon
deviates trews her neutrality, that neutrality, which has hi.
(her o been observed by mbar powers, will be abesdooed, and
their armies are only foot days march host the capital we
; wish to defend, white it is 400 leagues from us. (Hew,
hear.) In face of these facts, who will venture to call for a
war which cannot wee Poland, bet must be theater of the
downfall, ( Hear. beer, lam shoat every pen of the Au.
marbly ) Our explanations with regard to &Wont, shall be
no km distinct. How many rimeshave we not had to 'ppm-
head, from the questiee of malty to Belgium, a coupe her a
geseral rupture thionsliest Ramp? We came into adminia-
tratioo at the time wham die ahead of the Crown foe the Duke
Ide Neuron and the embesion of sire Duke deLeuchten bonne,
limited so narrowly thecheice of a a werign destined to give
existence and unity to this nascent kingdom. The election
made by the Belgians was iodides's—the personal character
of the Pnrce they chase 'marred it desirable. France re-
ceived it with satisfaction, fee she never feels mistreat
without evident mom Besides, penises to her acknow-
ledgment of Kiel Leepsid, Frame stipulated for all the
conditions required for her sekty and heron. The demo-
lition of the tomcats will elface doe lest vestiges of the
events of lel& The iudependence and neutrality of the Dew
kingdom were ually tumoral ; and beak. is case dosed.
elan be (It this the late meneseas of the French
Cabinet are preoh. A Frock wart bas esceived 'elders
to easier Belgium, to repel the aggression of
Holland. This mediums was fern immediately
on the snivel of the no deigresch testa slue Wag of the Bel-
gians, end was the result of she fel inselerroading between
all the Great Nwees of Rostegge. Proses. with the or"..
carman of all Kamp, le pr a tweelatione the or'
wring of that of July. and wall see Soremes raised again.'
bee by the Holy Animate dienshalred! These far a Goode'
meet, that without Flame. sad what she has accent.
pliabada the Sears of the Pope wadi be still coveted with
foreign soldiers, and Maned with pristiees anti contio•
cations—ebet without Fiance, Poised have teen long
ago crushed by the united effects of the Time Powers 11
whom she is enstresaded t aml that without Francalklgium
would hove hoes a prey se earthy. se sank into s mallow
don ! Far, thee, hem France beer, abaadessed the pork
whom she set is asovemilia, though wiehost say inenttw"
front bee, she has madosed them all am many besefirs as sr
imprudent treald have creased evils. at ht i
mewed toßelgium hairpins* mid istionality : to r°'
land lees inejaahly is tbe straggle in o
nset she is en.
gaged; and am saved Italy Orem the Ie lamentitle
cosseseeoces of a hem is the mums that was mode*
By maintaining a passel pence, Preset his bees able to
place hermit im wpositition to p to vs,. In awl, she
has roamed bee due Isisseee, proved her wisdom. and
established her power. We have obtained all these results
in the name of the revolution of July, and by solarg
ourselves of the high reputation it had acquired. 1341 13"
decoke riatielves apes ildwattliat which gonad it te PHI
coke y
tepidly la Rum" and impose silence upoo.
limeades, was the justice of its cause, and the utak= of ii

cassial. Our revolted sn broke out only'because it was just
and necessary, and nothing but what was just and necessary
has been done to maintain it. It has respected every right
and regarded every interests. From this has arisen the re.
sped and regard which every power has felt itself the to
Aloe in return to France. roan hence has arisen tbatasoral
authority which we have been able to exercise in her name.
Gentlemen, we ran only scree our country by remaining
faithful to our principles, and. consequently, after that you
ahall have associated yoursilves thereto. You are acquainted
with them, fee they have been explained to you, as they
webers to the country and Europe, by these two wor&
which grower our friends and Our enemies. at home and
atensd ; these two words which characterise our two systems
at internal administration and foreign policy ; these two
words which sum tip the opinions and interests of Fewer.—
Thc (*barter and Peace
tiI.TOOVVENEL read a speech which was scarcely au.
;mile. He said. such as she really is, 'suffering. disquieted,
oopoverished by imposes, and tormented by evils which he
fto:lw from the hurtful system followed since 1830.
Ni. Tutees saisl..-We have long desired 41 representative
dovernment as a pledge-of happiness and repose for France.
We have long had an appearance of it, and we have now the
„. The 'Deputy then went into a defence of
of,
:he Government, under three heads—viz. In the eon.
aitutional organisation, the administration, and Foreign
;;Bain. He entered into long and eloquent details
to prove that, under these than 'views, the Admi.
!Vitiation had been loyal, sincere, and attached to the
food of the country. the Government is in the presence of
~0 parties ; the one who, during 40 years, has been In the
tishit of secretly conspiring, and of concealing itself within
the shadow of legality ; this party, Gentlemen, escapes but
too often the regular action of justice. The other is noisy;
it rushes through she streets, making them resound with its
lofty pretensions. Is it not natural that the laws shoed reach
more frequently those who show themselves in broad day.
light, than those who conceal themselves, and, instructed by
flair defeat, conspire in the dark ; while the others, employ-
ing badly their victory, make their excesses known.
The Hon. Deputy then wept into an examination of the
este of Europe, in order to prove the truth of his asser-
tion. that peace was the interests of all the Powers, and
therefore would, most probably, be preserved, and that
France. nod!r such circumstances, could not go to war.
Sic had. he believed, more confidence than any one in the
,roism of France, of which she had given an example in
1193—tort at a severe cost. Assuredly, it was not cold-
hearted criielty that gave rise to the excesses of that period,
ha the necessity of defence. Would Honourable Depu-
ties have war, or victory, even at such a price ?—Ad.
journed.
ll'enscsoar. AUGUST lo.—The order of the day being
the discussion of the address to the throne, M. Larabit rose
ta oppose the project of the committee. He first directsel
his attacks against the ministry for consenting to the demo-
lition of the fortresses of Belgium. That country, he said,
was the natural ally of France, as France was the necessasy
I.lly of Belgium. The line of strong places was a bulwark
for France; and the ministry who could sanction such a
wrote would be guilty of a derelietiod of the Interests
Franco, anti even of high treason, for making
such a concession to an Eng!ish King, and to the other
enemies of the country. M. Lerishit then examined which
were the strong places raised to menace France, and
those built for the protection of Belgium ; and concluded
that there was not one that might not be some day of use to
France. The Ministry, in accepting the direction of affairs,
continued he, promised that they would be able to preserve
peace; and in order to keep the power in their bands, they
Irene discredited France with the foreign powers, with the
lope of thus preserving peace. Yet at a moment whets a I
majority in the Chamber was about to tail them, without cal.
culating the conaequences of their intervention, they, who
nail shamefully abandoned Poland, have determined ab 4'oßl
rn oat king the weak King of Holland. 31. Larabit contd. '
Java war to be inevitable ; and to be prepared to wage it he
suggested the propriety in the Government to present to the
tlt ,tuber a project of law having (or its object to double the
daily in case of need, by calling into active service part of
0,, moveable National Guards. The orator then censured
tile Ministry for their dereliction of Poland, the most faith.
tai ally of France, whose heroical efforts have once, more
so.d her from the barbarian hordes of Russia, and finished
i inviting the Government to take some efficient measure
to sane that noble nation.
lhoslial CLaesEL took a review of the internal situation
of France, and ascribed the state of uneasiness end diffidence
of the people to the Ministry having left the principal offices
of the state In the hands of the partisans of the fallen dynasty,
alto might, surely, he said, entertain hopes of the return of
that family. He condemned the severity of the Government
'cavils the Republicans, who were moody young M4ll, ac-
tuated by _ the most hooourable prindples, and on whose
courage• always rely for the defence of their

they might - days .
country. M. Clause' afterwards examined the foreign
policy of France, which he could not approve of in all its
pans. He distrusted the friendly assurances of Austria,
gums* and Prussia; he asked the Ministry to come for-
ward and declare, with their hands on their breasts, did
they consider them sincere ? If they did, let them beware
lot to-morrow the events would belie their welds. lie
insisted that the Address should contain a strong recommen.
motion in favour of the cause of Poland.
SEIVITIANI, Minister of Foreign Affairs, observed
that the policy of France had been wise, useful, and na-
tional; and that events, which were stronger than declama-
tion, would show whether the Cabinet or their honourable
adversaries best appreciated times and men. The peace of
Europe had ever been the object of Government, and he hoped
that circumstances would, ere long, prove that the mat of
national honour had remained unsullied in their hands.
After other general observations M. Sebastiani preceeded
to touch the Polish question. " Why, say our adversaries,
tiot fly to the assistance of Poland, or recognise her as a
nation ?" My blood has mingled with that of the Poles,
,nd I here colemnly deny the expression, ' that Polaad
doomed to perish ;' it never escaped my lips. We did
.11 that could possibly be done for that country. We
Afered nur mediation—negotiations are still going on.
We cannot reveal the secrets of the Cabinet, but we
can iassert that that nation of heroes has not been
abandoned by us. What sort of assistance could
we send them ? Is it cannon, ammunition, arms ?
Look at the map, and say by what road could we reach that
ni,diternanean country without declaring a ar to Prussia, Aus-
tria, and the German Confederacy. By raising 500,000 men
or did more for Poland than if we had marched directly to
Fa assistance, by keeping the armies of hostile Powers on our
frontiers. As to the recognition of Poland as a nation,
51 which rank no people has a better right to aspire, we
tbought we could not effect what the great Norruleous the
master of Lithuania, at the head of 300,000 men, and at
Wilna, durst not attempt in 1812." M. Sebastian' then m-
imed to the satisfaction obtained by France from him who
still reigned over Portugal, and defended the conduct of the
ininlatry in refusing the crown of Belgium for the Duke of
Nemours. He concluded by saying, that it was the total.
von of the cabinet to persevere in the line of policy they had
kretofore followed.
M. LAMARQUE afterwards NM to oppose the project of
.I,ldresa, and directed his most strenuous attacks 24inst the
rnlniauy for surrendering Belgium to an English not-
withstanding the assertion to the contrary of N. Schmid/M.
Then came a long attack oa England. (Left speaking.)
?"11.— Our situation with regard us 'Belgium is com-
plicating itself in a strange manner. Leopold, alarmed b 7
an unforeseen attack on the part et the Dutch, had thrown
t...uoielf into the arms of France, and solicited Louis Phi.
assistance. In conrequence of that demand, 50,000
French were put in motion on the northern frontier, and the
ioterrentiun of our diplomacy saved Antonp from destrue.
two, and thus deranged the strategical combinations of the
Prince of orange. Illeanwhile the simple announcement of
our arrival had terrified William's party in Belgium, and
:named a hundredfold the ardour of the patriots.
In that state of things, and just as our troops were pre-
paring to cto.% the frontier, Marshal Gerard unexpectedly
ircri!ed a despatch from Leopold's Minister of Foreign
•,I.fro!fv. Alm' complimenting Frame and the General, the
.mnimer requests cf the latter to defer his entrace into Bel-
tun until the Minister of War of that country had entered
..,uo communication with him—a necessary condition before
..r entered into Belgium.
The first result of this application was to delay the march
01 our. troops ; after which the Marshal sent off a courier to
oar taidnet. This adjournment vaguely known yester-
day, produced a very bad effect. It was immediately said
teat liri ish Government, alarmed at seeing us in-
feriae, a. Allies. in the affairs of a country that was a long
time Drench, lied remonstrated with Leopold on the subject.
!,att Vtr may have been the cause of the Belgic Gement-
n a",ts c.teoluct, it is nevertheless certain that he (tbe Min's-
"? W off requested of the Commander of the French army
su-pe ti his march for a while.
BELGIAN PAPERS.
li.e Belgian Papers of Wednesday and Thurs-
(ay cottlirm, in every respect, the disgraceful flight

of General Daine and his corps upon Liege ; but
attempt to make light of the disaster, as the mere
effect of a sudden and unaccountable panic.—
The Morainic attributes The whole to the un-

skilfulness of the Commander, if not to a worse
motive.; and the Independent states that the
troops bad been without their rations for the 48
hours preceding. The cavalry in the rear, as the
corps was marching upon Tongres, thought they
heard the trampling of the 'Dutch troopers behind
them ; and they set spurs to their horses, rode
down their own infantry, which was before them.
and horse and foot entered Liege pell-mell.
The French army was advancing in three co-
lumns into Belgium. That of the right entered.
Namur on Tuesday, and was expected to be
at Liege on Wednesday : the centre column
was advancing upon Brussels, and the third
upon Tourney. The Dukes of Orleans and Ne-,
mours bad already reached the capital, being met
byGen.Belliard on the part of the King. It is said there
are 40,000 volunteers following the French army.
Office of the Mentiteter Beige, Two o'clock.
Fresh intelligence, stripped of the exaggerating
and discouraging description accompanying the first
impulses of fear, have just been received from
Liege. By this we learn that the defeat of the
army of the Meuse in to be attributed to the great
ignorance of the Chiefs. This fine army, in
all the engagements which it had cn the preceding

day with the Dutch, displayed the utmost eourage
and ardour, and had not commenced a single con-
flict without coming off victorious.
The majority of the officers became stupitied at
seeing what took place in the ranks. Nothing

could equal their disappointment. They accuse
their superior officers of unskilfulness. For some
days they have been demanding permission to fol-
low up the advantages they had gained over the
enemy ; and they are mo.t anxious to return to
the attack.

From the Independent of Thursday.
AV G usT 10.—We learn from Liege that a false
alarm spread confusion among the ranks of the
army of the Meuse, at the moment it was marching
upon Tongres. The chasseurs and cuirassiers who
formed the rear-guard fell upon the infantry, and
general confusion ensued. Ihe regiment of lan-
cers was seized with a dreadful panic in consequence
of this attack. The other squadrons of cavalry
returned to Liege, without receiving any injury. It
now appears that the army had been without provi-
sions for more than 48 hours.

The Government of the province of Liege has
published a proclamation which states that the army
of the Meuse has not been defeated. During a
manceuvreof Gen. Nine's, a panic, without any ap-
parent cause, but not without example amongst the
best troops, seized upon a portion of the army, and
obliged the General to retreat with the remainder,
in the direction of Liege. The soldiers blame their
officers, and the latter accuse their generals. This
is always the case after an affair of this sort. You
I should avoid giving to those surmises a reality which
they do not merit.
The Ponape of Liege of the 9th instant, con-
tains the following: In the course of the night,
several thousand soldiers of all ranks arrived here
in the greatest confusion. The army of the Meuse
having received orders to fall back upon Tongres,
commenced its march yesterday morning in the
direction of that city. The troops of this division
seemed full of confidence. On arriving within
two leagues of Tongres, cries of alarm issued from
the ranks of the cavalry which composed the rear
guard. No enemy was in view, and only a few
discharges of artillery were heard at a distance. At
that moment the infantry, thrown into confusion
by some of the cavalry officers, who wished to
make way through the ranks, lost their presence
of mind, and joined in the unaccountable movement
which originated in the rear of the army. All our
public places are filled with military men. The
officers are now endeavouring to restore order to the
different regiments. Each person is returning to
his post, and in a few hours the army of General
Mine will be as efficient as it was two days ago.
The Courrier de la Meuse of Liege, dated the'
9th instant, has the following statement :—" No !
the army of the Meuse has not been beaten. The
entire alarm ails caused by a few soldiers in the
rear of the army, who, from some cause or other,
commenced crying out without any cause, and this
confusion was increased by the darkness of the
night. We have been assured by several officers
and soldiers that their retreat was in no way caused
by the enemy." It is calculated that the Belgian
army now at Louvain amounts to 30,000 men. The
English flag is expected to make its appearance in
the Scheldt.
BRUSSELS, WEDNESDAY, TWELVE O'CLOCK.
—The two sons of Louis Philippe have arrived in
Brussels ; the Princes stopped at the Palace of the
Regent, and were received there by M. Abenle-
naire. We have just been informed that 40,000
French volunteers follow the army. The greatest
enthusiasm and most intense sympathy for the
Belgian cause prevail among the French army and
volunteers.
Two o'CLoce.—General Belliard set out about
one o'clock to-day for Mons, for the purpose of
concerting measures with Marshal Gerrard. The
Frenh army advancees in three columns ; that of
the right entered Namur yesterday ; the out-posts
of this column will arrive to-night at Liege. Se-
veral regiments belonging to the central column bad
passed by Mom yesterday, and were rapidly ad-
vancing towards Brussels. The division which left
Lille was to have made its entry into Tourney
poring the course of yesterday.
GERMAN PAP RS.—TH IS DAY.

VIENNA, JULY 29.—1 t has been reported to-
day on 'Change that General Rudiger had passed
the Vistula, with the view of effecting his junction
with the main army on the left bank of that river.
Letters from Warsaw, of the 20th, say nothing of
the subject, but it is said that general despondency
prevails in Warsaw, especially since the issue of
the expedition to Lithuania, and the tragical
end of General Gielgud, have been known. No
possibility was seen of resisting for an, ndefinite
time an enemy already far superior in strength,
and who is daily becoming still stronger, and
the wish to put an end to the effusion of
blood, by some means or other, even by sub-
mission, were already expressed ; yet the
the most zealous patriots seem to be animated by
their old spirit, and the Generalia-Chief is said
to preserve a calmness and confidence, which,
while it shews both religious confidence and resig-
nation, is calculated to give courage to the
weakest. Most of the members of the diet
seem to have received assurances front their

THE EVENING STAR.

LONDON, SATURDAY. AUGUST 13.

The Belgic Editors labour to apologize for the
flight of their Army. which, it seems, wu not
scared by the Dutch, but by its own shadow, or a
want of confidence in its officers. The flight was,
therefore, probably unknown to the Prince of
°RAMON., for he does not appear to hare acted
upon it. In the mean time, the French Princes
have arrived at Brussels, and, in spite of an ungra-
cious message, the Army is advancing in three
columns. Nothing, on Thursday morning, seems
to have been known at Brussels of the suspension
of hostilities.

The Vienna news from Poland is, of course, io
the tone of that from Berlin. It speaks of the
passage of the Upper Vistula as an achievement ;
though it is one which might have been effected any
time within the last six months, the Vistula at the
spot not being wider than the Thames at Richmond.
Of course they operate northward, and it would seem
that Nal LIVITSCU meditates a base of operations
extending from Plotsk to Radom, the Poles by the
Vistula being masters of the two sides of the tri-
angle, and Warsaw in its apex. If such a plan
of operations succeeds by an army in a hostile
country, and without supplies from home, it wi'
ll
be a miracle—the greatest on record !
The French Chambers are debating the address
on the speech, with the same anxiety as we are
debating about the Reform bill. CASIMLR Piazza
opened the discussion with a laboured apology foe
his measures, and he spoke of Lours the XVII l's
Charter imposed on the French by foreign
bayonets, as the consummation of liberty ; but we
know, that if the existence of such a document
had been suspected, when Louis entered Paris,
the trick would have raised France in arms. Lou is
craftily substituted his charter for the conditions
under which he was permitted to return, and the
French from that time have considered the charter
as a badge--not a trophy. They never quote the
charter except against the Bourbons, on whom for
good they consider it binding, but not as the limit
of their rights and liberties. SILBAB max r
dwelt on the low state of the French forces
when the Ministry took office, and enlarged
on the geographical difficulty of reaching Po-
land, and sustaining armies when there. Tn i Las
spoke also as an advocate of the Minis-
tiro; but LARASIT, THOU VEN EL, CLAUSLL and
LANARQUIL enlarged with energy on the other
,side; and on Tuesday, when the Estafette left
Paris, LAztARQUa was left speaking in derruncia-
ties of the:Ministry.
The Paris Correspondent of the Morning Herald
states that " the deb tte in the Chamber of Depu-
ties has, up to *this moment, (Wednesday, half-past
three,) been warm ; but every thing indicates that
the Address, as it originally stood, will be carried.
notwithstanding all the exertions of the cue-
gauche. I need hardly repeat, says he, therefore,
that Poland is abandoned by France as by England,
and that no general war will consequently takel
place ; for I look upon the Belgic question as
one capable of easy adjustment. It is not likely
that the debate will close to-day.

Lora Wynford made another essay with his biu
last night ; but being opposed ►y Lord Plunkett,
tad the otbar hiw lords expressing doubts, it was
again postponed. If Lord Wynford were to pro-
pose a court of liberal arbitration 111 all cases

provided fur by his bill, tl:e evils tronld be re-

moved. without creating greater than he proposes
to remove.

In the Commons, Mr. Heywood presented a
petition against taxes on knowledge, which Mr.
Wilkes supported.

Lord Morpeth presented petitions from Halifax,
Leeds, and Dewsbury, hi favour of kill's Poor
Laws.

Col. Trench described his plan for enlarging the
House, and extending the lobby and the seats for
strangers. The present lobby is to be taken into
the House, and a new lobby carried over the pre-
sent passages and useless spaces, as far as the door
into Westminster Hall. It was much commended.

Capt. Gordon said something about Libels and
the Poor Man's Friend. Mr. Hunt said he dee.-
pised Libels.

The proposed rate of Toll on Steam-carriages
was objected to by Mr. Dixon.
Mr. Hunt presented some petitions from Preston
against the Corn Laws, expressed in accordance
with popular feeling, but strongly objected to by
many members; and one passage about the British
Lion trampling an obstinate parliament under foot,
was objected to by Lord Althorp. On a division,
only 6 voted for receiving them, and 130 against.
On its being moved that the House go into the
Reform Committee, Mr. Croker entered into a
very elaborate view of the whole of the proceedings
in regard to Holland and Belgium, his object being
to show that the King of Holland had been neg-
lected and compromised, and was justified in the
commencement of hostilities.

Lord Palmerston replied also at length by a nar-
rative of facts, and justified himself for not open-
ing a letter addressed by the Dutch Government
to the Conference, the bearer a Dutch Plenipoten-
tiary, not having made any intimation while con-
versing with Lord Palmerston, that his muter had
then actually entered Belgium. His Lordship's
answer was so satisfactory as to produce a general
cheering.

Lord Brudenell thought the King of Holland
had not been respectfully treated, and that this
country could not act with hostitity against him
without indelible disgrace. He charged the Mi.
nisters with levity and inconsistency.

Lord Elliot thought the declarations of the
King of Holland had throughout been clear and
explicit, but ho had improperly not been considered

in earnest. Mr. Croker, he said, slid not censure
Lord Palmerston for not breaking open a letter,
addressed to the conference, but fur not immedi-
ately calling the conference together.
Lord Stormont maintained similar opinions. Sir
George Murray at great length justified the King
of Holland, who had been no party to the armis-
tice, only to, a cessation of hostilities. He also
thought that a French army, headed by French
Princes in Belgium, was fraught with danger.
Lord Althorp objected to the expression of these
doubts and surmises.
Sir G. Murray, in reply, and Mr. Freed, and Sir
C. Wetherell, also spoke in justification of the
King of Holland.
Mr. Croker's. motion for papers was then ne-
gatived ; but on again moving the Committee, be
spoke again on the same subject at length, and
Lord Palmerston shortly replied.
The House then proceeded in the Committee,
and Schedule G, which gives four Members to 25
large counties, was passed. Four were also as-
signed to two divisions of Lincolnshire. The 12th
clause, giving to parts of counties the same rights
as in whole counties, was opposed by Sir E.
Sugden, amidst great confusion in the house; and
it was finally withdrawn as superfluous. The 13th
clause for 3 members to 7 counties then passed.
After some incidental business and notices, the
house adjourned at Too of Clock.

The debate on Thursday evening, relative to the
vulgar partizan Yeomanry of Ireland, was most
creditable to the good sense and patriotism of the
Irish Members, and a subject of no boast on the
rut of English Members, who were returned by
the honest people of England, to mete equal justice.
Mr. Hume, Lord i),ncannon, and Mr. Hunt did
their duty, and the speech of Mr. flume deserves to
be posted through Mirld!eseN. It is a moat un-
happy circumstance that Ireland should be deemed
a fit school fur young aspirants in politics;
and of this fatal error of the system,
all honest men who thought of their Con-
stituents, • aught to have considered, before they
joined the Tories, to vote against the eoite of
!Ash patriots, raised in behalf of their suffering
country. The list of 233 Whiv)-Turies-and
promising-patriots. ought t 3 be given to
the world, while the 73 deserve to be regarded
as the hopes of the Empire. If the Minis-
ters prefer the Irish Yeomanry to the Refotur
Bill, the Irish Members ought to iudalge them;
and put those in the wrong eho consider them-
selves
so over-cunning in putting them in thel
wrong. In our opinion the Irish yeomanry, and'.
their deed's, are incompatible with the Reform
Bill,—and of the two nuisances, we should kl:aum4t
prefer evert the Rotten Boroughs to birch de-
fenders. Look to their touts at Cavlcw ! Or. such
'subjects there can, cud ought to be uu cursive-
' mist.

At a late hoar last night, despatches of great Lie
portance were received at the Foreign Olive. in
Downing-street, from Brussels, dated on Thursjav
last, at which period French troops had entered
that city.
Despatches were this morning reeeive. at tla
Foreign Office, express from Park.