Star.
London, England, 1813-11-24 00:00:00

lURZLiMEtitIAr

Ist6ting D$ iAliiDSs. NOitattio.-sis, .
The Loan MI, the Malt, ate. Dian Bill, the Local Tawas
• Bill, and,the Aseentior4t Grid!!'* NU, were read a Second time,
and committed for to:moirow:
• INSOLVENT DEB/1131t3.
LordELLENBOROUGH said, he was happy
to see his Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Redes.
dalei in hisplace, for which he had waited, in.order to
introduce a Bill for the immediate relief of a Mime.
rous class of persons. now confined in the different
'eels, who, in consequence. of the difficulties that had
occurred in the' execution of the Act of last Session,
Could not -be otheritise liberated for. a considerable
time to rionse, ,Thaßill, he was about to introduce
Contained a clause Air repealing the Act of list Sea-
` sion, he being of opinion that there would be a consi-
derable difficulty, if fit was not altogether impracti-
cable, fob tbis,Bill and the Act of last Session to be
both executed at the same' ime. Tbe Bill afterwards
contained sintilar' provisions to the Insolvent Act of
.ths I Ittr,George 111. They were unlimited in point.
tesurtitiand there was also a proviso that the. notices
wpm under.the Act of last Session should be
Witider the pre-Sent Bill.. His Lordship presented
the•BilD which war read a first time.
-Lard ftZDESDALE said, he had in the Morning
optettylotigeediessation with Mr. Serjeent Palmer,
and .be was litisfitid that the difficulties which had
arisen in the eielciltiottitof the Act might be easily re-
moved. The Princfp.4l difficulty arose as to the ap-
pointMent of assigneee,. it not being easy to find per-
sons willing to undertake ills office, from the strict
manner in which they were tailed upon by the Act
to account. This, however, might be obviated by
constituting an Officer similar . to the Clerk of the
Peace in the counties, to whom, under the temporary
Insolvent Bills, the effects of the debtors discharged
were in the first instance assigned. Another difficulty
had been stated respecting tbil place of the sitting of
the Court ; but the words 'wake; that the Commis-
sioner should ordinarily sit in London, or Westmin-
ster, or the county of Middlesex, which certainly
Meant that he should not regularly sit there, antiAhe
intention was, that .he should have . power, to move
from place to place, as occasion might.retrire. ; The
difficultY respecting the taking examinations. might
also be easily obviated. With respect to the Court of
Appeal, the clause consituting it he. had inserted
et, the suggestion, of: others, and all, Abe:diffsculties'
Arising from it might be.easily removed by,repealing
' the Clause it not appearing to him at all tsecesseg,
there -shOulttbei Court of Appeal, as he *o.eesti--
-triticed-thlt the decisions Of the Cornmissionetl4Sild
be perfectly satisfactoi, and all that would•betertuie
site: .Another objection had been started, thtt.the
Act did not extend to Wales'. heat the fact was, that
by an Act pissed, expressly for the purpose, all Actt
Of Parliament aPplicable-to *F.Agland extended also to
Waled tied Berwiek.dportlTsiteed. The vast number
Of persons now confined forlebt in the different gaols
was certainly
.very extsaprdia4ry, -hut as it was isu.
possibleto...coneeiveobat under the circumstabcee 04
the passing of the. A.erof lard Session, creditors would
have put theft. debtor s' trs' prtsun with any Vietie to the
tlavteent of their debts ;. the Only inference was, that
a great number of those at present confined had con-
trived to place themselves there in order to get a dis-
charge 4 fsons their, delits;'..pr. to be what was con?,
fuonly 'called whireutehid. In this opinion lie will
confirmed by the circumstances of several persons
haring obtained their release by compromising with
their,creditors, alledging that they could aot wait-so
long as would be necessary to obtain their discharge*
uAder Chia Oct. The fact was, that there were a
tiutinbir of
.persons who bad Jived for. several years,
and 'who lived well,"tvithout having any thing ; this
they had done by the plunder of thoii who were now
their creditors. 'The great iiisehlef of temporary In.
aolvens Bills' had been,' that persons of this descrip-
tion, as well as others, had been discharged, without
any regard to the interests of their creditors, and
Without taking to,
proper means of making their pro'
lefty available or the discharge of theit debts. Thus
at happened, that many who were very clamorousibr
the passing of the Act of last Session, were now
equally clamorous against it, because they found 4iey
tould trot be discharged with the same ease and eon•
iiniencies as under a temporary Bill: He could not,
therefore, consent to the clause proposed by the Noble
and Learned Lord, for repealing. the Act of last Ses-
sion, nor did he see the least diffictilty (for the pur-
pose of gettidg rid of the present ptessure) in giving
an option to the parties applying for relief,..ll
take the benefit either of the permanent Act, of
the temporary measure. There were certainly many'
who, for reasoos which it would be. too long now to
detail, who woulJ prefer hiving their discharge under
the former, and it would undoubtedly be a greaon-
juiStice and injury to those' (upwards sou) whii
had given •notites tinder the -Aced last Sesrtioir,
hid gone through all the regular forms! and many of
whose cases were appointed. to be heard in the:course
Of a few days,, nnw to repeal the A.c.i.. tech*,
therefore, their Loidships constpt ARIA:
peal the ACt'of last -Session, *Kai' after the present.
pressure was 'got over; • would, be- waS.Consiinced,' be
permatiently beneficial* and it would indeed be mote
ettraordinary,. if that principle of law, that of the
riale4eiryttoestrltit-b had been. fctgcl .upon without dif-
tilittlty Zr a long period in Von:ma and in fliotland;
could not be also carried into effect idlnglaid.
Lerd HOLLAND thought, that for the-Legisla-
ture to.repeaLtheAct-of last Session, would be stul-
tifying holff endqq pass a temporary, Bilk would be
**sorting to a mostrniselnerous And nrilust.Mode of
litislation, When they had ilie'sonnd principle. already
entisntlieil 'in that Act; which, to the credit 'and ho-
e:our of the Noble and Learned Lord (Lord Redes.
fele) be had devoted so much of his time and atten-
tion na prepire.. Let them not lay the flattering unc.
hoe to their soils, that if the /Let was repealed, and
a tertipetery Insolvent -Bin substituted, the sound
principles of legislation would again be resorted to.—
Theiweisld then be exposed again to all the evi/s and
mischiefs of these temporary Insolvent Bills, which
hail for so many- years proved so injurious to the in-
terests of the community, boat :which he hoped were
happily 'got rid of by the Act of last Session. Why
not, by an amended-Bill;reenizive thedifficultiesithieh
had occurred in the' execution of that Act, and-thui
render it effective for its intended purposes ? This
appeared to him the only wise course, and he muss
therefore oppose the- remedy proposed by his Noble
rid Learned Friend (Lord Ellenborough.)
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Liar d EL UNDO iteUGH said, he had tone of
that folio prlikyarbiets faiirdttember df tiatelLeglsla
tun, would leadlim to coiadeilfielfselrdileta6d by
acknowledging an error; 'nor 'did he conceive that the
Legislate ,wookl.";be hy-acknoiv.
.ledging that they find, been erroneous in passing the-
Act•of last Session. He, however, 'wits willing to
lend hii isiiitaneo (if kcciiited) to 'his Noble and
Learned Friend, in. amending that Act, which car-
, tainly required many alterations. He saw no oh*.
tion to repealing the clause Tektite to the COM of
Appeal, being perfectly convinced that the decisions
of Mr. Serjeant Miner would be thoeoughly satitlitc-
tory. With respectr; also
,to
,assignee;, it vcit4dbe
necessary to have an officer similar to the Clerk of the
Peace, and it wouldiikeliie be "tieteskarf id glee
übiquity to the sittings of the Commissioner. Them
were many other points which required attention, if
his Noble and Learned FriencrwOild Undertake the
task of amending tilt* Act He was' ashostik to thi
principle of temporary Insolvent Vaillst as the Noble
Lord( Lord Holland) but he had introduced this Bill as
the only praddeabk meinti of giving relief, withottf
delay,. to those whose,expeccations been:oo)sigbly
eicited. The Bill was ordered to be printed,
MILITIA. SERVICE BILL.,
Dn the motion 41E0 BATHURST;the Iltiot
Service Bill was read a third time.' • -' •=••
The Duke of N9ll.}7Q4K..askmks with respect tr
the limitation of servicelin Europe, what would be
the effect incase of Milititittitehed to the line being sta-
tioned, for instance, at Gibraltar, and being ordered
to the opposite coast ? •
Earl BATHURST taid, that those who vcilim-
teered as Militia would not be attached to the line,
and therefore there would be no difficulty.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL Observed, that those
Militia regiments. (thtee-fourths) who volunteered as
Militia, would be on service as such.; and that those.
companies who volunteered as Militia, would be for.
med into provisional battalions as Militia, Under Field'
Officers of Militia. Neither would be attached to the
line, and therefore there would be no difficulty: Those
individualaWbo volunteered into tile line, would, Of
•course, become incorporated with it.
• ThODuke of NORFOLK was satisfied as to these
points, but wished. to know what would be the effect
of a portion of a company under. a subaltern volun:
teering T
Earl BATHURST said, that if, they volunteered
aemijitip they would be incorporated with a provi-
siiinaLhattalion of Militia, and considered as such.
Tbe.,DukeIof,NORFASLK expressed himself per-
satisffesT -with these explanations, and stated his
deterMinationin the regiment which he had the ho.
COOT tp command, to give every possible effect to the
melisiire, intimating, of course to the men, that what
they did was to he perfectly voluntary.
The. Bill was passed without amendment.
THE CLERGY.
Lord HOLLAND presented a petition from Mr.
Wright against the Clergy Penalty Suspension Bill,
.pr4ing to be heard by himself or Counsel against it.
His Lordship stated, Thule preseated the Petition, it.
'brio& couched in respectful vitae", but that in the
*Bill he cordially concurred.
The petition was read, stating along detail respec-
tingnonlesidence of the clergy, Ste. that the petitioner
had commenced several actions against the incum-
benit for penalties undo-the Non-residence Act, and
iiteirred much expence, arid that he shouldhe injuted
'in a petuniary point of view, by the passing of thebill.
. The LOAD CHANCELLOR suggested, that if
a shorter petition was presentediltating merely the
injury which the petitioner would sustain by the pos-
ing of the Bill,. the House would probably hear him
by Counsel. • • •
' Some conversation upon this point took place, when
it was at length determined that the petition should
lie on the table, with the Understanding that, on a
shorter petition being presented, confining itself to the
point of grievance which the petitioner :,would sustain
by the passing of the'Bill, the House would hear him
by Counsel against it.
Adjourned till to.morrow (this day). 'I

11/OUSE OF COMMONS.
lard HENLEY presented a Petition from the Losolvent
Debtors confined id the Castle of Lancaster, complain olds.
delay whick lot taken place in the execution of.the Insolvent
Acts'.
Mr. BANlUntliwed for an account of the net pr9dnat (gale
Assessed Taxes the years 1810, 11,.18 and 13.—Ordered.
The House bag resolved Itself into a Cotumittee on the
Police Act,
Mr. itILEY ADDINOteN proposed a Rieelntion, that a
Bill be brought In to septa' the said Acts -and ea4Ct ether provi-
sions In Its stead. •
The Committee agreed fo this Resolution, and the House
having resumed, a Bill was ordered to be brought in accordingly.
..The arose, on the motion of Mr. VANSITTAIt r, resolved.it.
into * committee on the Sugar Drawback Acts,
• Mr:: V ANSff FAR I: proposed a Resolutioire to continue the
several bounties on the eXportation of this article without alters•
thili, the 'Acts 'which authortted- the payment of them having
nearly expired.
The Committee agreed to the Resolution, and the House hay-
big:resumed, the Report was ordered to be received to-morrow.

LONDON MILITIA.
ItrlS bblelnetl leave to bring in a Bill
to enable his Majesty to accept the services of a cer-
. tall; proportion,.of the. Militia of the City..of London
ant of the United Kingdom fOr the
prose-
cution of the strar. ' •
MA lAEA DUTY.
The "House having resolved itself into a Coinntittee
on the Duty on Madder,
The CHANCELLOR of the EkCIfEI2IIJER
said, that the circumstances of the duty on Madder
were attended 'With considerable diffitulty. In the
present circumstances 'of the Continent, but little
Madder being obtained thence, the duty bore very
hard on the inferior article -Which was obtained from
Turkey.
.There were. so many descriptions of this
article, that it Was difficult to make any such distinc-
tion as would be effectual; as the Value of different
species of the article varied from .255. to 10 guineas
per hundred: The only method,' therefore, of im-
posing the duties which would be resorted to, was by
making the tax ad valorem. The Fjouse was aware
i
of the nconveqiencics which in general arose froth
this species of duty, the disputes and seizures Which it
gave rise to. But the duty which bkintencicd to pro-
pose was so moderate (being 5 per cent. only), that
there would belittle temptation to evade the payment
of a part of it by entering the article below its value.
This dott 5 per tent. it Vasi comptited, Would pro-
duce to_ revenue a, sum etistal that produced by
the present dity of six Shilfisgs per huadred weight.