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PARLIAMENTAAr PROCEEDINGS,

HOUSE. OF LORDS, MONDAY, JULY 8.
Counfel were finally heard relative to the Scots Appeal, Camp.
bell Witt litLeri v. Ml Nair and Allan. After which the farthir
confideration of the cafe was poßponed till Wednefday
Judgm• nt on the Irifh Appeal Caufe, Redington v. Redington,
was poltponed till to marrow.
The Bills upon the Table were forwarded in their feveral Rages.
Among there the Sugar Duties Drawback Bill, the frith Spirits
Wareboufittg, the P 1 tte Glafs Duty, the Irilll Affeired Taxes Re-
venue Regulation, t►e Southern Whale Fiftirry,and the Hop Duty
Reduction Bills.fcverally paired through Committees of the whole
Ilioufe—Lord Walfingham in the Chair.
The Earl of BLSIiOROUGH moved the third reading of the
Min:Hon Inclolure Bill, upon which,purfuant to a former order
of their Lortillfps, Counfel were called to the Bar, Mr. Plomer,
In ropporr of a Petition againß the Bill, and Mr. Adam, on In-
tuit of the meafure.
After the Learned Counfel bad concluded—
The LORD CHANCELLOR made a few obrenrations upon
the eireet of what had been urged at the Bar, and thought the oh-
jedion, refpufhtng the Vicar's rights to the tythes of adjuftment,
was worthy of confederation.
After a few words from the Earl of CAR YSFORT, the third
reading of the Bill was poltponed till to morrow.
DUK! OF ATHOL% ANNUITY.

The Earl of WESTMORLAND moved the order
of the Day for the Amid reading of the tile of Man
Bill—Some mifunderitanding arofe refpeftiog the
regularity of the Motion, and a converfation followed
on the point of order, during which Lord ELIANISO-
ROUGH infifted flrongly on the indecency and injuttice
of hurrying forward this meafure without giving the
Houle the means of judging of the fairnefs of the
claim. Some of the papers on the table were not
printed, and he would afk if it was proper that one
Noble Lord Mould look over the (boulders of another,
to endeavour to get through the perufal of the un-
printed papers, while they were debating the fubjeft ?
He befought the houfe to ad with more regard to
their charafter ; and concluded by moving, That
certain papers on the table, relative to the fubjea, be
printed.—Ordered.
The Earl of WESTMORLAND role, and went
into a minute detail of the hiliory of that ifland for
upwards of 400 years back, and proved, from vari-
ous references to hiflory,aels and grants of fovereign.
ty, that, in the true legal import of the word, the
:medlars of the Duke of Athol were Kings of that
ifland. He expl4ined the circumflances of the ne-
gotiation during the treafureriltip of Mr. Grenville,
for the purchate of it, and contended that the fate
was entirely compulfory on the part of the anceflors
of the Noble Duke. The revenues there upwards of
70001. per ann. and the only confideration which was
given for it was moool. and an annuity of zoool.
No ene would maintain that this was a fair price for
a rental of fuels a value. Parliament had purchafed
the heritable jurifdiaions of Scotland, than which
there existed nothing more iniquitous, for t 60,0001.
• and an individual (a Mr. Gordon) who had tome-
how or other obtained a licence for a certain term, to
diflil fpirits without paying the customary duties, ob-
tained 24,0001. for his privilege, although it had on.
ly (even years to run. With fuch precedents before
them, he did not fuppore that any Noble Lord would
be inclined to contelt either the plaice or neceffity of
the claim preferred by the Noble Duke. He thought
that if ever the liberality and juflice of Parliament
was fairly called upon, it was upon this occafion.—
He would therefore move that the Bill be read a fe-
cund time.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH role to exprefs his als-
folute difapprobation of the parliamentary proceed.
ings on the claims of the Noble Duke. He was fur-
prifed at the appeal matte by the Noble Earl. For
himfelf, he would anfwer as a man and a gentleman,
that he knew nothing of the proceedings in the Privy
Council on the fuhjelt, after a certain period, when 1
one of the Reports then on their Lordthips' table
was made by the Board. He would anfwer to the
fame effeet fur another Law Officer (the Mailer of
the Rolls), of as great integrity, and high legal
knowledge and talent as atop man. Neither that dif-
tinguiflied charaCter, nor himfelf, were fummoned
to the Privy Council on the fubjeCt, after the period
be had alluded to ; and be would declare, he was
as ignorant of the motives they proceeded on as the
molt pet fed firanger could be. It had been thought
by Tome indecent to call this claim a job ; he would
fay, if the Houle will proceed with the precipitancy
which feems to be threatened, they would commit as
grofs and difgraceful an aft as ever marked the wort
of times. A moment before he is called upon to con
fent to that rage of the Bill in which it is his duty
to oppofe the principle, if he thinks that wrong, a
huge folio volume is put into his hands, fo reeking
from the prefs, that it is with danger to his health he
can hold it to read it through. Could this condo&
be reconciled to the charaCter their Lordfhips with to
poffef. ? Would their Lordthips go to their refpcc-
tive homes, and meet the people, with fuch a recent
(lain upon them ? He would conjure the Houfe to
preferve all that is left of parliamentary character.
He would intreat them to reflect before they ruched
into this enormoufly har(h condu4. He would pro.
pole, as a meafure that might be. given to candour,
that a little delay Ihould be granted, that he might
acquire Come knowledge of thofe documents on
which the Government have proceeded. He would
fit down, to give opportunity fora concellion which
he eagerly defired for the fake of the country, and
of their Lordfhips' reputation. His Lordfhip then
fat down for a (hod time ; and no Lord riling to no-
tice that propofition, he rofe again, and faid—He
muft then uncle' Rand that they were to go on at any
price or hazard. The Noble Friends of the Bill de-
pended on their number, and on the weaknefs of hit:
oppofr ion. He would, however, difcharge his duty,
and declare his opinion on the Bill itfelf. It contain-
ed, and was founded on propofitions untrue in fad
and in law. The very find was, that the former right
of the Duke of Athol in the Isle of Man, was a fo-
yereignty. It was a lordthip, it was a dominion—
but. no lawyer, no hiftorian, had ever named it a fo-
vereignty. Every writer has laid down, that na
counts y conftitutes a fovereignry, which does not le-
gitlate for itfelf, and exercife all fupreme authority
Within itfelf. The privileges and rights of the Duke
in the We of Man, were held by• ty rjeantry.—
t
fe
Certain rights of dominion may be held by fubjeas,
by grants on certain tenures. It might as well be
argued that the Arciliithop of York holds the fupre-
imacy ~ his church, becaufe he holds certain powers,
is to call the power of the Ilk of Man a fovereignry.
Yet the Bill three times repeats this untrue affertion,
" like a tall hilly-."
He would not flnifh the fentence in its own words ;
but every man Law the epithet that would apply to
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the eondus of the Bill. Much firers is laid on the
circumflance, that AEI: of Parliament have no force
in the He of Man, unlefs fpecially mentioned.--
But the confequence of fovereignty in the ;kind does
not follow from that. An ill old may be fubjea and
be a dependency, without bring included by the or-
dinary words of an aft, legiflating only for that
which is within the immediate realm. It was no-
thing but puerility and abfurdity, to conflrue a/is as
they have been done in behalf of this claim (a cry of
hear ! hear !) He wilhed to be, and he believed,
he generally was orderly in his expreffions. But he
could find no words but fuch as he had ufed, to con•
vey the contempt he had for the rcafoning ufed to
induce their Lordfhips to give away a large Cum of
the people's money. Every one of their Lordthips
knew how fcvercly the taxes lay on the people, yet
how cheerfully they were borne • and he could not,
las a man, throw away the right of examining into
the propriety, the rearms fur granting the fum now
demanded. The Government, in making the bar-
' gain for the public, with the Noble Duke's predecef-
for, had not aEled as the Houfe is now called on to
a& The perfon then at the head of it .(Mr. G.
Grenville) was not of a difpotition to do fo ; and he
wifhed to GOD that Minifler could have tranfmitted,
with his robe of cffice. to his fucceffors, Come of that
integrity, that care of the public porfe, that good
faith with the people, which ditlinguifhed him, and
which Paved the revenues of the State from depreda-
tion. But though that tlatefman guarded the public
purfe, he did no wrong to the individual interelled
j in this cafe.

It was falfely afferted, either that the Noble
Duke's anceflor was compelled to alienate his rights
in the Ifle of Man, or that he did not receive full
compcnfation. He knew the uhinsittaux that the Mi•
niller would give before he went to treat, and he only
negotiated to arrive at that. By what means he
came at that knowledge, fo important to him, might
be imagined ; but he would not then attempt to de-
'elope them. The fait, however, was, that the No-
ble Poffeffor of the rights fo difplayed as they have
been, might have declined further treaty after he
had known the uhintatune of the Minifter: But the
cafe was the ma reverie of what is Rated. The
furplus revenue of the Duke's rights in the ifland, af-
ter paying all expences, did not exceed eight hun-
dred pounds per annum. Let the whole account be
Rated between the Noble Duke's family and the
public, if the Houle mull be ;mired on in this courfe,
and then it would be found that the bargain has
been a clear advantage to the family of a 00,0001.—
The only advantage to the public was the checking
of the contraband trade. He would acknowledge
the advantage in their name. But he would elk,
is not the family well paid by the public, for a right of
(mall value to the family, though of benefit to the
public, perhaps adequate to the purchafe money ?
He again befought their Lordthips to purfue this
harfh meafure no farther. He would even bated)
the friends of the bill not to turn their Lordfhips
afide from doing their Parliamentary duty in the
grofs manner now attempted. The people of this
country have a moral fettle, and can 'firongly feel an
indecent injury. Their Lorclfhips could not go to
their homes with the exultation of foreign triumphs ;
they had added nothing to the ancient name and glo-
ry of the country ; he blamed no one for this ,• per-
haps no prudence could have prevented it ; but it
was an awful Rate, and they ought to inquire how
they would meet it. They might, at haft, return
with unviolated faith, with tome Itatefmen like quail-
ties, and with the poor and humble praife of being
honell men. They would not emulate failorr,.who,
inßead of conveying the fah through a norm,
bleize on the occafion to break open and rob the cheß.
If the country had the faculty of renovating under
the beaks of vultures, that would be fomething ; but
let them be convinced that it is fo, before they give
up their fatted truth Perhaps the vengeance of
HIIAVEN hangs overthe nation ! Let their Lordships
prepare to meet it with fume mitigation of the evil,
by returning to the priSice of honeft times ! This,
if it do not avert misfortune, will enable them to bear
It with fortitude.
Lord H A RRONBY replied to the left fpeaker.—
He contended, that the documents on the table Clear-
ly eftablifhed the claim of the Duke of Athol to ad-
ditional compenfation. It was clear from the Rate-
, aunts of the revenues of the Wand, that fince the
original agreement, a very confiderable augmen-
tation had taken place, and as the public enjoyed
the advantages of that augmentation, it was but
common jultice that the Duke Ihould obtain tome
fhare of the increafe of the refources of his hereditary
poffelEons. It was not, he afferted, in the view of the
Ministry which formed the agreement, that it should
by final. It w;„s carried to a certain extent, leaving
the queftion of any future addition to be determined
by the circurnftances of the cafe, when fuch an ad-
dition was required. To refufe then now to linen to
the Duke's claims when the ineveafe was univerfally
admitted, was what would be unfair betwixt indivi-
duals, and Rill more fo betwixt an individual and a
powerful Government. He infifted alfo, that too
great a degree of precipitation was ufed in framing
the driginal agreement, and maintained that it would
be extraordinary indeed that no other opportunity
fhould be given for reviling an aft of the Legiflature.
What was anted, was what not only generofity but
common juaice required ; and h; was confident that
however anxious the public were for mconomy in the
expenditure of the national treafures, they would not
exprefs-any diffatisfation at an aft which merely gave
an individual a certain compenfation for advantages
of which they were in polfeflion. He, on this con.
vision, gave his hearty :drew to the bill.
The Marquis of BUCKINGHAM oppofed the
meafure flrenuonfly, as retying on no Parliamentary
Brounds. Their Lordlhips were called on to pals a
ill of this defcription without even a fhadow of the
evidence of itt juftice or necelEty. There was indeed
a voluminous body of evidence and information on
the table, but with a degree of precipitation almeft
unexampled, the Bill was attempted to be hurried
through Parliament, and not even the flightefi oppor-
tunity was to be given to determine what inference
that evidence and mf6tmation fairly warranted. He
conjured their Lordfhips, therefore, from regard to
the dignity and the continency of their proceedings,
from refpea to the principles of the Connitution,
from a with to preferve the confidence of the people,
not to fuller fuch a grant of the puhlic money to take
place at fo late a period of the Idiots, without all
means of forming a correct idea whether the grant

was what Office to anindividoal required. J eltmcy
in the diftribution of the public money, at all times
requilite, was rendered
peculiarly nece ary from the
circumaances in which the country w.ts placed. if
ff
the public were willing to make great lacy itices, they
at leaft had a right to expel that what wax cheer-
fully granted, lhould be n?plied Nth- to porpofes of 1
national advantages. He imprcffed the:. Lord-!
(hips this confideration, that a very unfavourable im-
preffion would be made, when it went abroad to the
public, that a grant of the public money was made,:
independent of all proof of its neceffity, nay, even I
when the information moved for was hardly laid on'
their Leircifhips' table, and could not poffihly be ex-
amined. He Purely needed not to fay any thing !
fironger than this, that feveral of the molt important
papers had not been two hours produced, and if the
fame precipitation was perfevered in, the Bill-might
have received the
,Royal Affent before their Lord-
fhips could have perufed the cne half of the docu-
ments intended to prove its juftice or neceffity. Hav-
ing placed this idea in a very forcible light, the No.
ble Marquis proceeded to vindicate tbe chareter of
the perfon at the head of affairs, when the
_original
agreement with the Duke of Athol took place. He
repelled all the attacks made againft the proceedings
of one whole memory was naturally-fn dear to his
heart, and denied that he ever exhibited, in any
part of tie tranfation, either violence or precipitation.
Nearly two years, on the contrary, had been employ-
ed in invelligations into the fubjeit previous to the
agreement with the family of thei Noble Duke whore
claims were now Co ftrongly urged, then held to be
perfedly fatisfetoey. This the Noble Marquis con
firmed, by reference to papers on the TahlT., and
others to which he had opportunities oraccefs, which
their Lordthips in general did not poffe(s. As he was
convinced that the original compenfation was regard-
ed as final at the time, fo was he equally convinced,
that no cafe for further confirmation bad been ebb-
hiked. The increafe of revenue was no aiguinent
for the palling of the Bill. If loch arguments were
admitted there was an end to all agreements, either
1 betwixt individuals, or betwixt individuals strut the
Government of the country. He concluded by decla-
ring that he Ihould vote againft the Bill, as fandion-
ing a very unwarrantable application of the public
money.
The Earl cf CARLISLE defended the Bill, and
argued that the evidence of its neceffity, derived from
the papers obtained from the other Houk of Parlia-
ment, afforded proofs of the jußice of the Noble
Duke's claims. He drewaa didinetion alto betwixt
the ftrietnefs of the claim of an individual, and of the
claims of a private individual refpeeting a contra&
with a powerful Government, and contended, that
if in ftriet Office the claim could not be futtained, it
ought to be looked to with feelings of magnanimous
liberality.
Lord SIDMOUTH.--u I Should conceive that I
violated my duty as a Member of this Houle, and as
a Member of the Britifh Community, if I did not fo-
lemnly proteft againft the paffing of the prefent bill.
The Noble Earl (Lord Weltmorland) has flatted that
we Mutt not fuppofe that the other Houfe was idle,
or that they neglelted to coned fufficient evidence,
and to weigh it accurately before they came to their
refolution of palling the Bill. Does the Noble Lord
imagine that this is a thing which Gould be taken for'
granted in this Houle ? 1 am fore, that when I en-
tered this Houfe, I brought with me every prejudice
in favour of the privileges of that Houle, and I re.
fpet them as highly as any Noble Lord, but at the
fame time I know what is due to the colleted wif-
dom of Parliament, and what is due to this Houfe,
too well to take it for granted that every thing mull
be right which is done in the other Houle of Par.
liament, and on that account to decline delivering the
decided opinion which I have formed upon the rub-
jeet. It appeared, however, from the totes of • the
dther Houle, that they had (pent above three
months in the confideration of the fubjeet—that
they have painfully colleted and examined the very
voluminous eridonce on the fubjet, which evi-
dence has not been lying on the Table of your Lord-
fhips as many days as it was months under the con-
fideration of the other Houle. This Houle has al-
ready admitted the neceffity of printing the evi-
dence, and yet if the Bill ' is to be paled with
the precipitation that is to be 'feared, the Royal
Mint will be given to it even before it will have
been porfible to have an order for printing the evidence
carried into execution. I do not complain per(onalty
of wanting evidence : when I had the tumour of a
place in His Majefly's Coimcils, aria the claith was
then brought forward, I had fufficient evidence to'cle-
termine me to refill it, and to give no fort of encou•
ragement to the expetat ons of the Noble Duke. When
a memorial was prefented in t Boa fromihe Duke of
' Athol to his Majefty for his Royal Content and re-
commendation to Parliament, the Memorial was re.
fared to the Lords of the Privy Council, and by
them to the Attorney and Solicitor Generals for their
'opinion, whether the eompenfation which had been
given was or was not adequate? The opinion was, that
there was nothing which could lead them to fuppofe
that it was inadequate. In confeqUence of this
opinion of 'the Law Officers and the Report agreed
to unanimonfly by the Privy Council, his Mijelly re-
futed his content, and the bufinefs was dropped for a
time. Sometime after the Duke prefented another
Memorial, ' Rating fome new circumflances. This
Memorial was alto referred to the Privy Council, who
girve a favetutable report, and Rated the compenfa-
tion to have been inadequate. Upon this Deport the
Royal Content was given, and the Bill introduced
into Parliament. But even the Royal Content being
given, does not in the leaff preclude Parliament from
examining the grounds upon which it was obtained,
and the propriety of thenteafure itfelf. The fir Ile
upon which the compenfation was estimated was the
1 produce of the imports on the internal confumption
of the ifland and the fuppofed valueof the fovereignte,
The afloat income derived from the Ifle of Man was
rated at thirty years purchafe. and that left near
45.0001. out of the 79,0001. as the price paid for un-
profitable Sinecures and Royalties. 'When I fay un-
profitable, -I do not mean to depreciate the value of
thole honours and dignities, bUt as they produced no
income, I think it cannot be raid that 45,0001. was
an inadequate turn to be given as a compenlati.m for
them. If the revenues of the ifland have increafed
confiderably fence that time, the increafe mull be at-
tributed in a great meafure to the new fyllem that
I...st's introduced after the purchafe had been complet-
ed. The fuppreffion of the contraband trade, and the

gement and high bounties given to the
revenue of the island, hut what contributed m••
to
tfir'hecartit: estioenfittlr: itlanti, had inereafed confiderably
raife the revenues was the new duties which hall jtC/1
laid on the various articles of confumtrion. The
imposition of new duties was a power which the State
poffafed for public purpofes, bat which it by n„
• means appears that the family of Athol potfead f„r
hueeiw private emolument. Whatever the reit.
have been increafed by the laying or,
lit does not follow that it is an improvement; and
additionalnut
yntaxes, is certainly an augmentation, but
t set afore, when the claim is let up on account tithe
r•on3 wr moil certainly Randhai caufe this improve.
ment proceeds. Every
improved
!late
a consider n.,cperffoa vreyf ;he revenues of the Ifland, it is
.
upon its own merits, and tint efoi e when an appeal
•i; made to the generofity anti /iYeralit- of four Lord.
although I am fare that whas jrliteral end
generous will find a powerful advocate in your i-f)rd•
brealls, yet we will have to confider not merela
lhe qualities of mercy and liberality, but the cis.
cumftances of 'the appeal which is made to us, and
when it is an application for public money, we
fhpuld, above all things, inquire whether the claim
is founded upon jultice. If this bargain is to be let
atide for want of compenfation, a Nable Duke who
fold to Government his claims to certain duties ou
vials, might ncr.v demand a farther price for what
he fold. Another Noble Doke might silo come on
account of the duties upon wine. I tremble, my
Lords, for the cuntequences which may follow if
this precedent be now let. I fear fer the dignity of
your pioceedings, and that decorum which ought to
mark our coneuft, and which, think, would be
violated, if we are to permit this Bill to pals withfa
much precipitation through the Hat* ; but it is
upon the merits of the cafe itfelf that I make my
principal nand, and it is from the bell confzderatiots
that I have been able to give that cafe, that 1 am de-
cidedly of opinion that this Bill ought not to pal's.
The Earl of SUFFOLK Rated, that his father and
his grandfather had loft their lives in the fervicc of
their country, and he had very narrowly eftaped
with his own life in A.Merica. Yet the compenfation
which bad been given for feveral thoufaad acres of
;their property was only fool.'; although, if it were
to be fairly fold at the preterit valuation, it would
amount to fomething from 150 to soo,ocol. If the
'claim which was now before the Houk was to be
granted, he did not fee why be might not come fort
ward wick his own claim upon the, public. But he
thought the condo& of the Noble Vifcount (Lord
Sidmouth). who bad refilled fuch a claim wih the
weight of his authority, while he was at the'head of
the Adminift ration of the country, was highly ho-
nourable to him as a confcientiotu man and a faith-
fal fervant ofsthe public.'
Lord MULGRAVE °braved, that he had as
great a veneration for the principles upon which the
other Houle of Parliament governed their conclua as
the Noble Vifcount who had fpoken laft but one ;
and his refped for their proceedings upon fuch a fub-
jell as that now before their Lordlliips, upon which
they were known to be peculiarly jealous, induced,
him the more firongly to vote in favour of the mea-
lure, which was known to here been three months
under their deliberation before it was fent up to be
difeuffed in this Houk. After entering at large into
;the hillory of the trsnfaaiou, the Noble Lord espial
fed his opinion decidedly in favour of the bill.' sHe
could not bring his mind to entertain flich high not
tions of ceconomy, in great and extentivetranfaftionsk
between the Government and an individual, as forpe
others had expreffed themfelves to feel. g fach a
feeling was to be indulged in, we might find *solo;
my degenerate into avarice; but hc trolled that Part
Hameln would never, with a narrow view of faving,
aft againß the principles ofjuttice. The Noble Lord
then adverted to the manner in which a 'Noble and
Learned Lord had delivered himfelf tatty in the de-
bate—to that be applied the epithets beiticrous and
rude. _

Lord ELLENBOROUGH rote to order. He de-
clatcd that Inch language was unparliamentary, and
was not warranted by any thing in his fpeech. He
denied that there was any thing either boifterous or
rude in his manner of (peaking on the fubjed. He
bad delivered his opinion freely, as an independent
Peer of Parliament, and this he thould continue to
do as often as he thought it neeeffary for him to (peak
in that Houk, notwithaanding any unparliamentary
epithets which :night be applied to his fpeech.
Lcid MULGRAVE declared that in adverting
to other circurriflances, he 'was reminded of the pat-
(le in that immortal Poet's pliakelpeare) Works,
" Senior, your age Asa!l command more than your
weapons poillbly can do." He was aware' that the
ability and the fituatioa of the Noble Lord was en-
titled to refped, and he refpeded the public chaise-
ter with which he was invefted, as much as any Otani
to the ability of that Noble and Learned Lord, whea-
-1 everit was exercifed with temper and moderatiod, he
alto bowed with the utmoft Yelped. But when thh
reins of pafflon were let loofe on the one file, it Was
impoffible to argue on the other without Tome defree
of irritation. Such language might well become's
Demagogue in Palace Yard, who withed to route the
paflions of the people, but it was far from !sting well
fuitecl to a temperate and fair difcuMon of an impnr-
tam fobjed. The Noble Lotd then apologized to the
Houle for having to wrongly expreffed an honeft
in-
dignation at hearing the charge of a Job brought for-
ward in the comic of argument.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH Gid, that he (poke of
meafures, not 'of men t. he bad fpoken according to
his ideas of what was juts in the cafe, and in fo doing
was confcious 'that he tierforined:a moral duty.
The LORD CHANCELLOR affured the Houle
that in delivering hie opidion, however it might dif•
ter from that of others for whom he entertained the
higheft refped, he was guided by the principles of
justice and fegregrated himfelf as.much as if he was
in the Court of Chancery. • Ccrnfidering the inkjet%
in that difpailionate manner, he Inuit fay, that the
evidence upon the cafe•clid not warrant him in form•
ing fuch an opinion of the inadequacy of the coin•
penfation as other Noble Lnrds had done. The cafe
of a femme couverte and that of an infant, were parti-
cularly entitled to the lupport of Parliament ; and it
mug be acknowledged that the tranfadion was com-
polfory upon all, but the heads of the noble family
who now made the claiM.
Lord HAWKESBURY flipported the Bill, and
reminded their Lordfhips, that betides the 70,0001.
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hope expreffed of a farther remuneration from the
RI‘V,4I munificence, by way of annuity.
The Duke of NORFOLK thought, even on this
idea, and that the annuity fhould have been perpe-
tual, the hardfltip could not begin to operate till the
death of the prefent Duke and Ditchers.
The queflion was then put, when the Houfe di-
vided on the quefiion for the fecond reading—Con-
tents 35—Not-Contents t t.—Majority
The Bill was then ordered to be committed to-
morrow.
And on the motion of the Marquis of Ih/citifies-
tram, the Petition from the Agents of the Houfe of
Keys WAS referred to the fame Committee. aud the
Counfel for the Petiticitiers ordered to be called in to-
morrow, to [tate the grounds on which they alledged
ti,rt they were interelted in the queftion.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH alto exprefred a with
:o 11,v: an extra& from the deed of relltiftion between
the Duke and Duchefs, referred to in the Bill, laid
on the table.
TROTTER'S' IteDIMNIT? BILL.
On the fecond reading of Mr. Trotter's Indemnity
The LORD CHANCELLOR left the Woolfack,
and !fated, that it was not his intention, at the pre.
cent late hour, to trouble the Houfe with his obfer-
vations on this Bill. He begged it to be undcrftood,
however, that his not doing fo to-night fhould not
be underftood to preclude him from the opportunity
of expreffing his fentiments on it to-morrow. In his
opinon, a more important Bill, or one more pecu-
liarly deferving the attention of that Houft; had not
appeared for the Taft half century.
Adjourned at a quarter before one o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The Paddington Canal Bill was read a fecond time.
Mr. KILBY, from the Stamp Office, brought up fundry papers;
A Mane from the Lord; announced their Lordthips concur-
rence with the Ditlillery Biii, the Leith Harbour Bill, the Spanifh
Red Wine Bill, the 16111 infirmary Mll, the Mrs* Plat Bill, the
Dublin Paving Board Bill, and thc Pilchard Filer! Bill.
The eitimate of the expences of the falary of the Comptrollers of
the 'nth Lottery, was had on the table, with other papers.
The Refs rt of the Committee appointed to enatider the rani.
dons of certain perfons who attended as witnelies at the Commit.
tee upon the lift Middkfes Elation, puffy= to the fumnions
from the Agents of Mr. Mainwaring, and who prayed a compcn.
fatinn for their attendance, Sec. was taken into confideration. The
refolunons of the Committee, which were read and agreed to,
order thc turn Of ans. per day be paid to John Froft, Pk and cer-
tain other perfons, for nine days attendance, and that to.. per day,
for the fame period, be paid to James Mafoo, and certain other
perfons,and that filch payments be made by George Boultun Main-
wiring, Erg.
NE. TODD )ONES'S PETITION.
Mr. WICKHAM addreffed the Speaker, and re-
quelled the favour of being permitted to fay a few
words on the fubjed of Mr. Todd Jones's petition, on
his feat, as his Date of health would not allow of his
fpeaking in the ufual pofture. This requelt being
complied with, Mr. Wickham began by Paying he
was very, forry that, from the advanced period of the
(Ann, there was little or nä hope or expeeation of
feeing again in his place the Honourable Gen-
tleman (Mr. Fox), who lately brought forward the
petition of W. Todd Jones, complaining of lateral
ads of fevcrity and oppregion exercifed by the frith
Government againil the laid W. T. Jones, a prifoner
in Ireland, under the charge of high trcafon ; and as
Tome of thofe complaints alluded to a period in which
be ailed there in a refponfible litoation under the
Government, and he was now no longer conflated
with that Government, he hoped the -Houle would
indulge him fo far as to permit him to Date what had
paired relative to that unfortunate perfon dnring the
woe he held the flotation of Chief Secretary to the
Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. The fiat iinpi ifonment
of Mr. W. T. Jones commenced, he laid, before he
went to Ireland, and therefore he was not acquainted
with any of the circumttances attending lt. The fe-
cond took place after he went thither, and finding, on
inquiry, that Mr. Jones was a man of a very warm
temper and an ardent mind, and had thereby been
impelled to take the aftive part he had done in dittri-
buting books and circulating doctrines likely to dif-
tart) the peace of the country, he had given orders that
he thould be treated with as much lenity with refpee
to his confinement, as was poffible, conlifient with the
nature of the =illations againft him, and with his
Life cullody. That Come time after this, information
arrived from England relating t 6 him, which was of
a more ferious and important nature, and his confine-
ment became confiquently more firie, but in no in
fiance whatever. that he knew of, either fevere or op-
preffi7e. But tliouei his health had for a confider-
able time obliged him to withdraw from public buil-
nets, and he had, in confequence thereof, left that
country, it was but juflice to that Government, of
which he once formed a part, to fay, that he never
knew them in any one infiance give countenance to,
much more encourage, ads of feverity or oppreffion.
He had, during the time he was Chief Secretary,
written to General Myers, and other Generals, who
commanded in the diaries where Mr. Jones was im..
prifoned, at different periods, and had always defired
they would allow him every indulgence which the
nature of his fituation, and the due execution of their
duty would permit. He begged pardon of the Houle
for having fo ►ong trefpaffed on their time ;he thought
;t necelfary to fay thus much in jollification of his
conduct during the time he was in Ireland, and he
was lure the Houfe would therefore excufe the ttou-
hie he had given them.
Mr. WILBERFORCE roft.,but was called to order
by the SPEAKER, who ()heaved, that there was no
outflion before the Hours, though an indulgence had
A been extended.
Mr. WILBERFORCE only role to congratulate
thc Houk op the fenfibility chat had been difplayed
hi the Right lion. Gentleman, in the manner in
which he had felt a charge which involved any thing
oppreflion on the part of the government of
which he was a member.

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Sir W. BURROUGHS raid, that it was certainly
his intention to purfue his notice, by propofing
refo-
lutions this night, honourable to the cbarader and
conduti of &r Home Popham, which had been Co
unjafily attacked and afperfed. Thefe Refolutions
went not only to notice his Cervices, but alfo the treat-
ment he had received. He wifbed that before he
went again abroad in the ferrite of his country, he
/mild receive the full juilice of that Houle. But at
this late period of the Seflion, he was induced to defer
his objet. He would, however, now read his in-
tended Refolutions, the fir& of which expreffed that
the charges againft the integrity and honour of Sir
lotne Popham were unfounded and unwarrantable;

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and the &cond. that his conduit, as CoMmander of,
the fquadron, evinced zeal, ability, and integrity,
and tended to the honour of his Majelly's fervice.
This lA, he admitted, was not founded on the Re-
port of the Committee.—(Miermurs.)
The SPEAKER here interrupted the Honourable
Member, and informed him, that as he was now only
giving a notice for a future day, he was tranfgreiEng
the ordinary bounds of any notice.
Sir William Bur oughs fat down. (Tbe motions
are deferred till next Selfion.)

lIMACHMINT.

Mr. WHITBREAD gave notice of his intention
to bring in a Bill to-morrow, to continue the fitting
of the Impeachment Committee, during the Proroga-
tion. He thought this was fo defirable, that altho'
very unulual, the Houfe would be-difpofed to adopt
it. The only objection he could tortfee, would be
froitta fear of its trenching upon the prerogative,—
There was a witnefs now on the road from Scot-
land, who might not arrive in time to be examined
before the Prorogation. He concluded by giving
the notice.

The order iii the day on the Articles of Impeach.
ment being read,. they were feverally read a kennel
lime, and agreed to with tome trifling amendments.
The preamble was alto read a fecund time and
agreed to, with forme amendments, propoled by Mr.
WHITERIAD.

An additional article was propofed by Mr WHIT-
BREAD, and read a firß and fecond time, I efpetting
theatre of certain fums from the Exchequer and ;he
Bank, to the hands of Mark Sprott, t .r the pot pofeb
of private advantage, or other put pea not naval.
Mr. WHITBREAD then moved i claufe, laving
the right of the Commons to make additions t the
articles already framed, which was ordered to be
drawn np by the ImpeAchment Committee, who ac-
cordingly withdrew ; and, upon their return, Mr.
WHITIIRRAD brought up the clank, which w.is
a fira and fecond time, and ordered to be engrafted
with the articles.

rINAwcF
Mr. G. JOHNSTONE moved for an A meant of the Perma-
nent and War Taxes for the year a diag t 8:: 4 —Ordered.

The amount of monies paid Into and •:iiciurgcd from the Con-
/Waged Fund was ordered, for the 1 ,lt quartrr.
Mr. O. JOHNSTONE's propoiltion rn Finance, which flood
fiir td-morto*, was poltponed till Wttllnefday .—Adjuutned.

LONDON.

TUESDAY, JULY 9.
PRICE OP STod"; THIS DAY AT ONE Wl', (WM s
Conk& for July 6 li—Reuced .y ii—Omniuns 415.
PRLCk OF S I OCK% YFst FRDAY
3 Per Cent. Red. Ann.3Bl ;9 Long Ann. i 6 is-16 t?
3 per ant. Cunf. Ann.3Blli Inuia &mils. as 3$ (lit .
4 per Cent. 75ii l akheq. Dills, is. ,lit is. pre.
3 per tent Navy 8811 Conf. for ICC. 5,1 60 391

Trinidad has not been aaptored by the Combined
Fleet. Our Weft India pot (Guns are all fecure for
the preant. The enemy has quitted that part of the
world to 'Muth to Europe, having buried a great
number of their men during the Ilion time they re-
mained there.
In one word—Lord Nai*oa is on his return in
purfuit of them, and there is every reafon to believe
that before this time he bas had as engagement; as
the vac' which he difpatehed for England on the
r3tli of June with the intelligence, came up with the
Combined Fleet on the 3 gthi when they were failing
very badly.

It is the opinion of Captain BETTESWOPTH of the
CURILUS, the veffel knt home with his Lordfhip's
difpatches, that I.ord Nsssop, whom be left at the
north end of Antigua, would overtake the enemy by
the aoth or 2111, as his fleet was in good condition,
and the crews all in good health and high (pi:its--
and euremely anxious to come up with the foe.
We fobjoin a letter from Plymouth, written by a
moft Intelligent and refpedable Friend, to whom we
have often been indebted for articles of intelligence
on important occafions, and which we always found
to be coned t

PLYMOUTH, JULY 7.—His Majelly's fhip
of t 5 guns, Captain BhTTIIWORTH, arrived here
this day, at 2 P.M.—by her we have the very plea.
fing accounts of the fife arrival in the Wetl Indies
of Lord Nrisoi, early in June s the &It Bland he
made was Trinadad, which had not been diflurbed
by the common enemy. Hearing nothing particu-
lar of the Combined Fleets, his Lordthip failed for
Barbadoes, where he found Admiral C 00122114
with his Majelly's (hips SPARTIATI and NOITHUM-
121LAND, and from whom he learned that the French
and Spaniards had, during their Mort flay, buried
3000 troops ; and, from the (late of the furvivorv,
they apprehended great difficulty in being able to
return to France, for which country they had taken
their departure. Lord Nitscia took the SPARTIATI
and NOILTHUMIIIRLAND with him, as far as the N.
end of Antigua, when he ordered them to return,
confidering his own force a match for the enemy.—
Tills was on the 13th of June, at which time not a
tingle man was to be found on board his Lordfhip's
fleet unfit for duty. At the fame time that the
SPARTIAT2 and NOILTMUMICIMAND were detached
from the Beet, the Cuassuz, by which we have re-
ceived this intelligence, was difpatched by his Lord-
tilt') for England.
On the filth day after, vie. on the 19th June, the
Cuateux came up with the Combined Fleet, and
kept company tome time, to try their rate of failing.
—As her Commander found they failed badly, and
were, miferably handled, there kerns no doubt but
Lord Nsisos weuld overtake them, poke* by the
sorb or 2 f #l. gone.
Their return, or rather attempt to return to Eu-
rope, is reduced to a certainty, and mug brighten
the hopes of onr planters, and the merchants con-
. =ad with the Wet ladies in this country.