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one point—the cittest:on at to the legality of the in-
stitution. Whoever looked at what passed in the 50;11
of thyheelKing, would fittd it difficult to Exempt this
institit 1-n from the operation of that Act. But, on
,• the occasion of a late trial in Ireland, a witness who
belonged to an Orange Club had been stated to be
inca.,aole of giving evidence without violating the
oath he had taken ; and thus placed between two
oat'. -. he world he obliged, in one case or the other,
to commit uerjurv. The Learned Chief Justice of the
King's Bench, upon this had remarked, that no proof
had been given that the witness had taken the oath
which had been mentioned, and he trusted it was not
so, for if such a practice obtained, and were to be re-
spected, it would he impossible to administer justice.
Should an individual come into Court in the situation
which had been imagined his crime would consist in
holding himself bound by a secret and an unlawful
oath (for unlawful it certainly was), and it would be
his deity to keep to the oath which he had taken in
Court and trample on the unlawful obligation. Such
an opinion having been delivered by a Learned Judge,
it had been unpardonable negligence in him to have
omitted biinging-it before the House. If, however,
such oaths were unlawful, how came it to be dis-
covered now for the first time? They mu,t have
been unlawful from the first, and yet no effort had
been made to pot down the Association in which
such oaths were administered. The motion which
he wished to submit to the House w..ild pro:ose an
Add' ess to the Cro vn, calling its attention to a So. •
ciety founded on exclusive and unconstitutional prin-
ciples. He wh,hed to assure the Crown, that that
Hio.e ,vinild z-alonsly concur in any treasure that
• might he bought forward to enforce the laws of :he
• country with te.pect to such Societiceo This was the
-4 proposition he intended to submit. Ilethoeght it would
be a et eat benefit to the Uoverionent, ifit wished to tic;
rid of the Orange Club. They could not better be deal;
with in the first inst mco, than by such a declaration
of the resin nof Pal liament. (iou forbid ! that in
sormeuing this he should wish to propose an thine
tlett •houl•1 be injurious to the Protestants of L el:hol.
Wilmot their sur port 'no Gove.un.eot in Leland
cold stand. Ile, limerver, th:oight that which he
poipo,.ed 11.• on ii be anvti.ing but iojoi ions to them.
fie, therteOte, wisleoi the 'louse to expless their dis-
veprobatioo co' the (fritoge s;-,tem, and their w ish to
les i: ion doom, :earnig the mantle: of car io irz that
• v% i.li into ed•ect wh,ii Co: Government. Tile restora-
tion of tranquillity to Ireland, which this measure
eyould teed to :tecomelish, would he advaet.osoos.
for I..•ngland, hut st.f. more so to the :aster country.
Nothing would beeeti-. Ire'! n. I mote than a measure
calculated to attract Leelish capital to it. Tee dis-
orders which so frequejly oecurred /Jew:teed this,
as no capitalists would go to I: elated, and lea' remain
there, who could live an-..whe:e else. The number of
absentees now so severe& felt would be diminished
by the change which he advocated ; but it was im-
possible that a large proportion of the landed pro-
, petty 0: It eland should ni.t always be in the hands
of ahsentee , while the country remained in its pre-
sent state. His pm pose was that of removing the
gyeat ..lis acie to the trangoillity of Ireland, by the
opinion of that 1-1,,u,e being declared. It was in vain
to tell hi m that it was not in the power of the Go-
•ernment to put down the--,e Societies. When he
said to pot down, those wet e hard words ; but he
meant, that if the Government were united upon the
subject —(Clieers)—and cordially opposed to such So-
cieties, they would soon make Oodneemen as good,
dad obedient subjects •as any in the kingdom.—
It the Government decidedly and unanimously dis-
approved of these As ociations, they would not be
suppo:ted as they we: c. lint those who belonged to
them believed that they were approved by the Go-
vernment ; and that to secede from them would cast
an Mil inatiou upon their loyalty. He entreated the
House oo consider that the Union with Ireland----no
doubt a 'Pleas:lie most important and most valua-
bk_was a measure as vet, if lie might so express
• himself, upon its ilial. It had been the act of the Le-
gislature adopted twenty years ago, upon speculative
and theoretical grourols. But if a party of separatists
should grow up, and -uch a party Might appear where
it was least expected, the measure must not then be
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tti6cl upon speculative and theoretical Kinciples, but
upon the arguments and reasons which that House
could advance as to its real and solid benefit. How
would they then be able to say, that the Union had
improved the condition of Ireland, when the great
mass of its people were exposed,. year after year, to
these processions and taunts, which continually kept
up dissentious and di-quiet in the country ? It IA.AS
for these reasons that Tie intended to propose the fol-
lowing Address to the loose—(Dear, hear).
" That an humble Address be presented to his Majesty,
stating that his faithful Commons,elet-ply depl:a:ug the existence
of those dissentious by whiAt Ireland had for a long time been
agitated and crvuls,d, and a...Lich among oth?r evils has led to
the formation of Societies founded rpm eNdusive and unconsti-
tutional principles, beg leave to assure his Majesty of their moat
cordial zeal and concurrence in all measures for sustaining and
supporting the•law;antl of giving the people the bentlit of en-
joying all its privileges and rrot:ctian and of aiding in ti::con-
ciliation and surpressio3 of party feeling, which his
,Majesty's
presence and admonition has so effcctual!y he7tir.."
Mr. GOULBUILN had never come down to the
House under such anxiety as upon the present occa-
sion; not anxiety arising from any difficulty .ke felt
in avowing the views which he entertained upm the
subject of the motion, but because when lie reacetea
upon the time at which the question was agitated,
and upon the irritation and dissention which had re-
cently distracted Ireland, he feared that in the course
of this debate expressions and topics might be intro-
duced, calculated to inflame thu minds of the People
of that country to such an extraordinary degree, as
it would be the duty of all prudent men, in ParEa-
raent or out of it, to use their best endeavours to
avoid. Upon this ground he felt infinite regret that
the motion had been brought forward at such a mo-
ment. He had also another reason to regret it, in
the manner in which it would affect himself, as a
part of the Irish Government. It being so much to
be feared that some who might take pact in the de-
bate would introduce topics of a nature that it was
most desirable and just should be avoided, he hoped
that the Honourable and Learned Gentleman might
hate pelted to the suggestion made to him by
Right Hon. Friend; leaving it to the House, when
• the SU*et came retularly before it, to decide what
had been the conduct of the Irish Government with
regard to those (lama( ions. He had. hots ever, the
',LlPPiness ut 1,.t) big tie :ributc to the Hon. and
'Learned Gentleman, of sain that he had completely,
est.lliled from those topics in his ow" speech; and.

he hoped he should not be taking too much upon
himself, when he implored other Hon. Members to
.follow the example which had thus been set—(Hear,
hear)—and to do the Government the justice of not
bringing its conduct incidentally forward, when there
would be an opportunity afforded hereafter of ex-
aminino, that conduct fully and completely. Al-
though he could not concur in the Address proposed,
yet he had no difficulty, with regard to much that
had fallen from the lion. and Learned Gentleman,
in expressing mote or less of his concurrence. He had
no difficulty in avowing, as the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman had avowed, that exclusive Societies, un-
der whatever circumstances, or in whatever country
they might exist, were productive of immediate Merin-
venience, and were objects of jealousy and suspicion. It
was impossible not to perceive, in the ordinary society
of life, the hardship and inconvenience of exclusions.
It would' invariably be found that the persons ex-
cluded regarded the exclusionists with feelings of
hatred and revenge. If the observation were car: ied
into political life, they found the principle in still
stronger action. He would further add, that when
exclusion was made upon the ground of religious dif-
ferences, the feelings on both sides were exasperated
and aggravated. Therefore, he thought it capable
of demonstration, that all exclusive Societies were
niirnicel to the peace and union of the great body of
a people. He could not forget, however, the Orange
Institutions were liable to exceptions; they had been
at all times ready to come forward in the service of
the country, and that too in the manner which the
constituted authorities pointed out and directed. He
could not forget that in times whee Ireland had Leen
torn by the ravages 'of factioe and rebeliion, the per-
sons enrolled in these Orange Institutions, and others
from whom the present members were descended,
had received amt deserved the thanks of the Irish •
Parliement, and of the country. lle could no: over-
look this good conduct, or confound them with the
pet sons and p:inciples from whom they were so es-
sentially distinct. He was quite aware that where a
breech of the law was committed, previous con-
duct would not stand between the offender and the
visitation of the law : and if one of these Orange-
men, by taking a secret oath, or-in any other man-
lier, transgressed the law, he xas not the individual
to stand up and defend him—(flear, hear, hear).—
The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had • done the
Oranee Societies the justice to admit, that the prin-
ciples with Which they set out went to support the
; and he was sure that it was impossible to see
,he statement of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman,
as to their progressive conduct, and their constant
anxiety so set their opinions and intentions before the
country, without seeing that tkey were entitled to.
approbation. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had
said, with respect to the attempt to introduce these
Societies into England, that England had discou-
raged them ; and he called upon a Right lion. Friend
of his (Mr. Goulburn) to take the same course with
regard to the Irish Orange Lodges, as he did towards
those of England. He thought that as far as advice
went, and it was by such weapons alone that Socie-
ties founded upon such principles could be opposed,
there was no objection to its use. It was by such
means only that any good could be effected, and not
by pointing them nut as the objects of peculiar ani-
madversion and invective. So far as they put
themselves within the reach of the law, the law
should be enforced against them as agao st others;
but when they observed it, it was neither prudent nor
expedient to pursue them with a power beyond the law.
He had said that he could not concur in the Address.
He could not do sn, because no one could be so un-
acquaimed with Parliamentary tactics as not • to see
that it imputed neglect on the part of the Govern-
ment. to on what it was in its power to do for the dis-
countenancing and suppressing Secret Societies. The
House was not in the habit of addressing the Crown
for the enforcement of a law, except in cases where
the law had been suspended, or' not properly executed.
Conscious as he was that the Government always en-
I forced the laws duly and impai tially to all persons,
whether of one description or another, the Address
could not be justified. If the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman had charged the Government with ex-
empting an Orangeman from a punishment to which
he was by law submitted, and if he could state that
a Catholic had suffered penalties from which an
Orangeman had been exempt, then he would have
made out a case for Parliamentary interference.—
But if, in the absence of such complaint, the House
subscribed to the proposed Address, it would, in a
Parliamentary acceptation, imply blame where no
cause for blame existed or was charged. The House
would be called upon very shortly to enact a. general
measure, and one of such a nature as would not exempt
from the operation of the law any Society which com-
mitted an overt act in violation of it—(lkar, hear).
He was of opinion that the Government had not been
inactive, and therefore that ie was not necessary to
address the Crossn either to enforce the due execution
of the law or to take such measures as circumstances
tendered necessary. He should therefore conclude by
moving the previous question, considering as he did
that the motion of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman
could no: be attended v ith any beneficial effects.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT said, that he should not
vote for the Address if he thought it was mean: to
censure the Government. It would be most satisfac-
tory to the Home to learn that it was intended to ex-
tend the Act of 1799 to Ireland. The curse,of Ireland
had been, that for centuries it had been governed by
'division. That system had now been abjured. The
people of Ireland should be taught to look up to the
law as a source of protection, and not of punishment.
He congratulated the House, and the country, that
what he had so long been endeavouring to effect had
at last been realised.

Mr. DAWSON observed, that whatever might be.
the merits or demerits of the-Orange Associations,
was a matter very little known to the fublic. • The
term Orangeman had been applied' to every Pro-
testant who opposed the Catholic Claims. That was
a.great misrepresentation. He called on the House
to susi.end its judgment as to the principles ascribed.
to Orange Associations. These Societies had been
instituted at a most convulsed period of the Irish his-
tory. The Peep-o'-day Boys and the Defenders kept
the country in a state of continual irritation. On !hat.
account the Orangemen had formed themselves into,
an Association, for the purpose of suppressing rebel-
lion, and they had been mainly instrumental to it;
afterwards, as their numbers increased, they bound
themselves by secret oaths, and to that he deciday"

ehjected. But Le would ask, was not thara some-
thing of a party object in the motion ? •Why had the
Mover not selected other Associations, as well as the
Orange? Was there no differente between a loyal
and disloyal Association? With the exception of
their secret oaths, he fully approved of the princi-
ples of the Orange Associations. By their loyalty
and courage, they had secured the Throne of the King,
an the ConstitUtion of the country.
' Mr. M. FITZGERALD thanked the Hon. Mover
as the friend of Ireland ; and he was sole the modera-
tion of his sentiments would have the effect of allay-
ing much irritation in that country. Headm'itted
the excellency and private worth of many of those
who were 0: angemen ; but he denied that those As-
sociations originated in any fear of the Protestants
from the Catholics. He could state, that from 1792
down to the invasion of (rebind by the French, these
tVitS not a single Cathli among the United li ish-
men, except Dr. M.Nivoenc ,n psolessed Cath dic ; but,
as he believed, of ri) religion at all. Yet that As,ocia-
tioa to separate from England, and set up a Republic,
on the model of that of France, did not contain a
single Catholic out of five lamb ed thousand members,
because it was thought that the Catholics would
betray their secrets to the Priests, and so pt event
their horrible designs to deluge Ireland with blood.
The Hon. Member who spoke last had said that the
rebellion in Ireland was put down by the Protestants
in 1793. But the Yeomanry and Militia, he would
venture to say, einsi•ted of three parts Catholics. It
WAS his lot to be associated with Catholic regiments
doting the who!: rebellion, who had merited and re
caved repeated thanks from the King, from their
Gavel runes% aid thelr country, for their te,iform
loyaity and good conduct. When such nristafe-
!rents came from well-educated minds, what could
he expected from the ignorant peasantry ? It was the
neutrality and impartiality of the Laid Lieutenant of
Ireland, that had brought upon him the odium of the
Orange S eie acs. Lh England, a Beelsteak Club
meant an eating and di inking club ; hut in Ireland it
was a political body, disposing of Governments and
posts. That body bad recently thought tit to export
the Lord Lieutenant in the shape of a toast, by drink-'
ing a speedy exportation to all their enemies, mean-
ing the Lord Lieutenant, his Secretary, and the At-
torney. General. He wished the Government• had
followed the instructions in the King's Letter, or the
example of Lord Cornwallis, who had been able to put
down the religious disputes in Ireland. He concurred,
however, in the policy of withdrawing the nuriers, if a
distinct Fledge were given by Government, that there
should be a change of policy with respect to Ireland.
Mr. PEEL was prepared to given decided oppo.
sition to the motion' of the Hon. Mover. But he
wished to calm party spirit ; he wanted no triumph
for any party, but to pi event either from triumphing
over the other. Ia 1814, when he was Secretary for
Ireland, the Member for ‘Vatei ford (Sir J. Newport),
did move for the return of all Addresses to him from
Orange Societies, which he seconded ; but the arnaver
was, that none had been presented to bim. He did
once receive an Address from on Orange Grand Jury,
for defending a body of Os angemen, and his answer
was, that he had not been able to approve of any
political confederacy whatever. He had been de-
sired to give his opinion as to the establishment M.
Orange Lodges. in England ; and his answer was,
that he disapproved of them, as he saw no good
that was Mely to result from them—(Hear).-11e
had stated this to skew the temper which he had
brought to this discussion. It was impossible ill any
country that was flee to put down all Political Asso-
ciations, though, by the authority of known laws, they
might punish men for administering unlawful oath•.
The Orange Societies of Ireland celebrated by pro-
cessions the defeat of King James at the battle of
the Boyne; and did the Hon. Gentleman intend to
make a law to prevent all sorts of processions? In
principle he agreed with the Hon. Gentleman ; but
he was always afraid to go toofar in meddling with
strong party feeling. Despotic Governments might
iiiterfere with persons not immediately under their
controul; but not so a free Govesnment. The Yeo-
manry was in some degree under the controul of
Government; and therefore he addressed a Circi:lar
to the Yeomanry Officers to prevent their men from
assembling ctherwise than on parade on the Anni-
versary of the battle of Aughrim. Was •it not
singular that no greater cause for party leads was
necessary than the marching with drums and fifes,
and playing what were corAidered to be party tunes?
Such was the fact ; and how were they to frame a
law that would meet such a state of things, with-
out aggravating the evil it was meant to repress?—
If Orano,emen took illegal, or secret oaths, in Gun's
name let them be punished according to 1 ion although
he would never forget the way in thich they o. posed
French principles, and rallied round the standard of
British connection—(hoar, hear).—He believed they
would still be ready to chew their loyalty, yet lie
would wish to assim;late the law of Ireland to Wm
of England, as applicable to assemblies in 'which
illegal oaths ale assministered. lle hayed, however,
that this assimilation of the law would not be the dis-
solution of Orange Societies. The I lon. and Learned
Gentleman had said that his object was to put don
the Orange system, and that he wanted the :authority
and ascendancy of known laws. He (Mr. Peel)
thought this was the only way to combat such So-
cieties with effect. No doubt it would be proper
and wise to prevent the administering of secret oaths,
but it was impossible to legislate upon party spirit.
To go farther than the preventing of oaths would
be to contravene the principles which the Honour-
able and Learned Gentleman would support—(Hear).
But, said the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, these
Societies led to the indulgence of party spirit, and to
irritation. If he (Mr. Peel) admitted this, he would
ask how the Hon. and Learned Gentleman_ proposed
to deal with the difficulty ? Would he suppress all
political societies ?—(Flear, hear, from Mr. Alter-
crointsy)—The Hon. Member said " heardrear I" hut
surely it was impossible that he could intend, in a
free country like this, to put down all political society. j
His (Mr. Peel's) .mode of dealing with it, would be to
employ the inilnence of Government in discouraging
the feeling. He would advise the Orangemen to
avoid giving offence to their Catholic fellow-coun-
trymen; and the Catholics not to consider every-
thing of proper exultation as studied insults to
them—(Hcar, hear).—lf the Protestants had reason
to exult • in . the battle of the Boyne, j could no;
the Catholics exult in the siege of Londonderry ?
Could be have ciercised his own. discretion, he shouldj_

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have recommended the postremercent of tins reot.on;
until a proposition whch was to be made to assimi;.
, late the law of Irelansl to that rf England, es it rel
sl ects Secret Associations. If this would sriti,ry the
I-lotion:able Mover, he vsoeld have ho ohjecii..n to
the motion bein7 tt itbd:aw n ; but he. world net con.-
sent to it on any wher wound: Wottld anything he
gained towards i.eing party seirit by a motion ge-
nerally attacking all _•*.ocieties, whether they were
legal or not ? It nn as a most unwise n!.4.1 imintoper.
oneastire to arldrets the Crown, informing it that he
House of Commons %sr-is prepraed to introdu.ee a law
respecting S,!eret A,:sociati ails. 11 the Crown pos-
seeed the initia:ivc power in legislazioa that Might
be a very proper measure, but not as our Legislature
was conlittned. The I ronon: able Gentleman ad-
vised the House not to agree to a r.h!SOltlilon. charac;•
terizing as illegal, or unconstitutional-, Associations
which v ere not now so t,nir.iden eJ to be by law.—S
He thought he could End some party associations
inch had not had the moderation of Orangemen.--
If it was not irrp!•oper fist other bodies to put forth
addres.es to the People. Low could it be so for Orange
S clerics, if they did so ? He quoted the words of
Air. Fox, to sinew that such manifestalions of public
spirit sheaved the old leaven of the men is ho put
down James 11. and established the British Constitu-
lion. With the excel tiou of the secret oath, the
Orangemen might refer to a society established in
Ireland in 1789, editing themselves the Whig Club,
the resolutions of which, eecept the secret oath;
Ivere not very d:ffereat from those of the Orange So-
cieties: It was necessary to touch all p,litical asso-
ciations with great care, for there s, oald be no end to
the lengths to which such :t precedent would lead.—
Before he sat down he would take that opportunity
of stating that he entirely corcurred in the prevent-
ing of the dressing of King Wil:ians's statue last No-
:'ember—((heers)—and that the prevention had re-
ceived the approbation of Isis Majesty's Covernmair.
He considered this his concurrence as entirely con-
sistent with the opinions he had always entertained,
and the Course of policy he had always advocated.
He repeated that, although a Bill would be brought
in on the subject of secret oaths shortly after the re-
cess, he should give4his motion his decided negative,
unless, the Hon. and I earned Member thought proper
to withdraw it. He by no means wished the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman to withdraw it ; but if it
should be pressed, he trusted the House would be
found to agree with him in the propriety of rejecting
it—(l.ort 11 chetrl
Mr. G It A TTA N said, that all the indiv;duals who
went to the Theatre to insult and attack the Lord
•Lieutenant, were Members of the Orange Lodge,
No. 1,611. Ne professed himself to be a Protestant,
but Ire was an enemy to Orangemen ; they were all
place Mens and let the Goven 'talent only deprive them
of :heir places, and then they v ould soon find the way
to stop their mouths—(Hear;.
Nlr. Secretary CANNING said that he did not rise
for the purpose or enter ling into the debate ; • indeed,
he should not have risen at all, had it not been for
tire allusion made to him by an Hon. Member. The
I lon. Member had seen every principle I.e had advo-
cated had been agreed to—every measure to which,
his motion could lead, he had been assured, was
about to be adopted—and every support that he had
wished to receive had been given him, not from A
single individual, but from the united force and sen
timent of the House. The Right lion. Gentleman
who had spoken early in the debate had stated his
hopes of a very favourable result, if the Lord Lieu-
tenant and his Government trete not divided upon
par.icular questions. Ile (Mr. Conning/ wished he
could see; or had ever seen, or eduld ever hope to
see a Government unanimous upon every cencstion ;
but he was confident floor his past experience that
such a hope would be vain—(Hear, hear, hear).—
If this discussion ended in the temper iii which it was
likely to end, and if the Hon. and Learned Gentle-
man con ented to withdraw his motion, though he
"would not yield to him tine compensation he sought,
he wound give to him another; and if they did not
[-is further with that question, they would perhaps get
rid of a motion regarding " a military outrage at
Dublin on the 26..1n of November last,"—(o
of is hich due and solemn notice had been given. He
might, perhaps, make an exaggerated estimate of his
01,% n iefinence in believing, that •if the Hon. and
Learned Gent:email withdrew the present motion, he
could prevail upon the Learned Gentleman (Mr.
•Ellis) to withdraw the other—(.C/leers and laughter)_
and thus thii night, which promised to be a night of
conflict, would be converted into an evening 01 hat.
mony and crmciliatinn—(/fear, hear).
Mr. erBERCROM iiY replied—He could assure the Right
Henourable Gentieman that it was in the power of his Majesty's
:\tiiiisters, at any me Militia! before that nig'n, to h..ve arrested
rite progress of the present discussion. Had they or any one of
theta been pleesen heforeehat discussion took place to commu-
nicate to him wheat they had divulged in the course of the debates
they would have relieved themselves from the unpleasant neces-
sity or heariug the ohe.reationi with which lie had troubled them.
tlss object .was to have the laws applicable to adC‘ret societies
...netts enforced, if indeed such laws were in existence; aid this
was he: rhin and avowed object. The Right I lonuurable the
Sccre:..ay for the ll.nne Department had, therefore, done tiot
g-rear hij.,,tiee iu supposing that he would have condescended to
ewer into such a Me:l...ion for the unworthy purposes whidi his
itvientony leo: invented. lie wished to extinguish all societies
butted by secret oaths; aed he felt the most perfect. aesurauese
that when it was known in Ireland that an unanimous
existed in that House as to the illegality of such associations, his
object was completely accomplished. lie must say, however, that
he felt himself perfectly justified in bringing forward a motion
which had been discussed pith temper and moderation, and .4
the observations upon which; not one single remark was made
tending to prejudice or to anticipate another important question.
/laving theretoie obtained the object which he had in view, be
certainly wished, with the concurrence of the House, to withdraw
his motion. The /tight Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Cannioo
thought that the Government were justified in en teitdining
ferent sentiments upon so important a question as Catholic Eman-
cipation. Oar part of the' Ministry thought that concession no
the Catholics would subvert the Constitution—another part Of
the same Ministry flatly denied that assertion—and how e per.,
made up of such discordant materials coald act in concert tees a
mystery to him—(Hear, hear!).—He knew that such au ty:rioa
was liable to misconception—he knew it might be attritra7,.:
Party feeling—(Oh, no, no! frum Mr. Canning).—But es:.l lee
was convinced,that a Ministry so divided could not act whir a
unanimous feeling towards a country concerning' the vital line-
rests of which they were so seriously divided—(Hear!)
Mr. CANSTING exphierd. lle had only referred to the
• historical recollections" of former Cabinets—(A burgh).
The Honourable and LeernedeMbver was then permitted to
withdraw his victim,. -
Mr. Eteis bad given notice that he would on tuns riig!u
move for Papers in the posSetsien bf the Irish Government, re-
lating to a Militarfoutt sir at Dublin on the eeth of November
last. The name of the l ion. and [learned Member was ire-
trustily called on by the &quiets, but Mrs lalis did not declare
his intention either of abandoning it adhering to the call ipriu.
(urination upon this subject ; the House aditiernedeon•Mr.
- I.esso.viroas a motion, at Ilioa•-,rAst litaturti crCletk,,