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London, England, 1831-09-14 00:00:00

PLI3 *ALI ma 'ILL.

The Archbishop of CANTERBURY moved the order
of the day fur going into committee on the pluralities of
livings.
Lotti WYNFORD opposed several of the clauses, and
objected to the sort of retorm which this bill would accom-
plish in the church. The right rev. bench had commenced
by reducing the livings of the poorer clergy, who in many
instrnces could not exist without pluralities. He thought
the right rev. bench should begin by reducing their own
emoluments, and thereby afford better provision for the
poorer clergy.
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY, the Bishop of Lox-
pox, and the Earl of HAIIR.`WIY, defended the Bill.
After some remarks from Lord WYNFORD, in opposi-
tion to the Bill,
The LORD CHANCELLOR said he was satisfied that
the bill in no wise would trench upon the right of persona
holding advowsons.
Several verbal amendments were made, and the bill passed
through the committee, and was ordered, with the amend
ments, to be printed, and the report to be brought up on
Tuesday next.
The bills on their lordships table were forwarded their
respective stages, and the house adjourned at a quarter past
eight.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.

Lord I MIESTRIE moved fors new writ for electing a
member for Darsetshire, in the room of the Right Hem
John Calcraft, d‘cemeil.

Mr. MAXWELL moved for an address to his Majesty,
for a copy of the depositions taken before the coroner, at the
inquest held at Ncwtownbarry, on the bodies of those who
were killed at that place, on the 18th June last.—Agreed to.
Mr. 1-11.131 E preheated a petition front Joseph Townshend
Halman, a prisoner in the Court of King's Bench, on a con-
viction for a libel, the truth of which he fully proved in the
Court of King's Bench ; praying that the law might be
changed, and truth not deemed a libel. He perfectly agreed
with the petitioner, that truth should not be deemed a libel.
Mr. H UNT presented a petition from the eastern branch of
the National Union, for the release of the Rev. It. Taylor.
Lord G. LENNOX presented a petition from Maria
Huth; of Chichester, stating that her thrashing-machine was
destroyed, and that on applying for compensation, she was
told by the magistrates, thrashing-machines were not under
the protection of the law.
Mr. HUME said it would be a lamentable state of the
law, if thrashing machines were not as much under the pro-
tection of the law as ploughs ; if that were the law, a mo-
ment should not be lust till .t was changed.
Mr. HUNT said it would be much better to employ the
people than thrashing-machines.
Mr. S. RICE said, there ,was no doubt threshing-
machines were as much under the protection of the law as
any other species of property. With respect to the obser-
vation of the Hon. Member for Preston about employing,ziri
the people instead of machinery, if that doctrine was
to its full extent, neither ploughs nor spades would be used.
Mr. PAGET said, nothing could be more certain than
that machinery Increased the demand for labour. If the
Honourable Member for Preston could point out bow the
farmers were to be remunerated, they would gladly employ
the labourers.

lir. HUNT said he would tell the Honourable Member
one way, which vu, lower your rents; another way was,
lowa the tams; but it vas preposterous to say that the use
of machinery increased empkyont ; where the thrashing.

machines had been done away with there was plenty of em-
ployment for labourers.
Mr. HU3IE hoped the Honourable Member would con-
sider the subject better—it was certain the labourers could
not better their condition by the destruction of property.—
(Hear, hear.)
Lord INGESTRIE said, he passed through Salisbury
yesterday, and there heard that a farmer who had made
preparations for using a thrashing-machine on Monday, had
all his stacks burnt on the Saturday night ; he was afraid
such dreadful practices would extend if measures were not
taken to prevent them. Ile would advise farmers, where
there was a redundance of labour, not to employ thrash.
ing.machines • and above all things, he would advise la-
bourers to abstain from crime, the consequence of which
must be their own destruction.

Mr. ROBINSON said, there was no doubt machinery
diminished the demand for labour ; but that was no argu-
ment against its use; but the time was come when Govern-
ment must look the evil in the face, and make a more effec-
tual provision for the employment of the people. He had
letters from Kent, stating that fires had recommenced there,
and the greatest apprehension was felt in consequence.
Mr. HODGES said, he had no such advice from Kent ;
but he thought he should if such a fear was felt.
Sir H. VIVIAN said, it was certain that the poor were
not in general benefited by machinery ; but the time would
come alien all would derive benefit front the increase of
knowledge. He feared the present generation mutt suffer
for' the benefit of succeeding generations.
Mr. S. RICE moved fur a new writ for Flint, in the
room of Sir E. Lloyd, now Lord Mostyn.—Ordered.
Mr. Alderman wirrnM AN presented a petition from
Manchester for universal suffrage and vote by ballot.
Lord INGESTRIE presented a petition from the coal.
meters of Dublin, praying compensation for the loss of their
fees.