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the Members for Maritime Counties had been put
upon the Committee, he saw no
_reason why the Mem-
bers for Inland Counties should not be admitted. A
motion for that purpose was but fair, and upon public grounds ite
supported it. He deprecated the daily 111cl:slicing which took place
In that House upon the Maims which actuated Members in the
discharge of the painful duties imposed o them—(Hear, hear).
Honourable Members, he thought, don do as well not to add
still greater difficulties to those already need in the manage-
ment of private budness.
The motion was then carried in thriiMtittative, without* division.
The Sheriffs of the Qty of London wire admitted to the Bar,
and presented a Petition from the Lord Mayor and Aldermen, in
Common Council assembled, praying that the Metropolitan Water
Company Bill might not pats into a law ; also claiming to be
heard by Counsel against it.
Mr. Aldermen WOOD, in moving that it be read, observed,
that the House was perhaps not aware that the intention of this
Company was to dig wells in different parts of London. The effect
of this would be, to run dry almost all the pumps, and oblige
people to pay for that conveied to them in iron pipes, which, at
present, they had free of charge.
Mr. M. A. TAYLOR said, it had been attributed to him that
this Bill had come into Parliament under his sanction. He begged
to contradict this as totally erroneous.—The Petition was then teed,
and ordered to be referred to the Committee on the Bill.
The Sheriffs of the Qty then presented another Petition from
the same body, against the Equitable Bank Loan Company's Bill.
On the motion of Mr. Alderman Wools, the Petition was reeds
and ordered to be referred to the Committee on the Bill.
Sir T. LET HB RI DGE presented several Petitions from Somer.
setshire. in favour of the Somersetshire Ship Canal Bill—Laid on
the table.—The Honourable Baronet then moved the second
reading of the Bill.
Sir JOSEPH YORKE webbed to ask the Honourable Baronet,
whether the parties to this Canal had laid aside XlOO,OOO, or more,
to provide for the filling op of the Canal again after it was finished?
(A laugh.)—His objection to it, as he had before stated, was, that
it would destroy all the coasting seamen, with whom it was well
known his Majesty's service stood in need of supply.
Sir T. LETH BRIDG E. in answer to the Honourable Baronet's
question, begged to inform blot that no provision for filling up the
o.nal as soon as finished, had been made out of the funds raised,
or to be raised for the work itself. A sullcient sum of money for
that purpose it was intended to raise by subscription, to whicfi it
wm expected the Honourable Baronet's nautical seal upon the no.
easiest woad load him to make an exemplary contribution.—The
BM was then toad a second time, and ordered to be committed.
Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a Petition from the Merchants
an 1 others of the City of Logsdon Westminster, and Southwark,
ag 'W4 the Eissitalsle Loan Bill.—laid on the table.
The ildi for consolidating the laws respecting Juries, was brought
up by Mr. Secretary FEEL, and read a second time, and ordered
&e be committed. ~
The order of the day for the second reading of the Game Laws
Bill was discharged, and the Bill ordeted to be read a second time
as Mooday nest.
Mr. PORTMAN gave notice of a Motion he Wednesday next,
respeedng the weight and sale of bread.
QUARANTINE LAWS.
Mr. J. SMlTHresented a Petition from Dr. Charles Maclean,
*gaunt the Qvarsotine Laws, as being wholly une:cessary and very
knifes/es to the interests of commerce.
Mr. WALLACE said, that the Quarantine Laws
had very frequently been brought under the con-
eiders/lona the Goveroment, and that many eminent Physicians
having expressed an opinion hostile to that of Dr. Maclean, he did
not think that he could, with any justice, recommend to the House,
thedoing sw.q with the Quarantine Laws. If that safeguard were
removed, what motet-lion would the country have against infection
and cont.giou ? He was, however, willing to consent to any enquiry
on this important subject.
Mr. HOME only hoped that the Right Mn.- Gen-
tleman would fellow op his wish respecting enquiry, by instituting
some efficient toquiry.
Atter a few words from Mr. I. Sawn, the Petition was ordered
to lieptinstd. •
DUTIES MI ISIPOSTED TIN, COPPER, &C.

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Mr.LAWLRY preseatod a Petkbeu from the Chamber of Com-
=MCC, at Dirariogidat, praying a reelecrioa of the Duties on the
Inniotution et Yin. Copper, aad other Minerals.
Mr. LY ITLETON•eupperted the prayer of the Petition,which
was likeetiee eupperted by Mr. W. Weirdos&
M:.. HUSKISSON said, that, at an early day, he
shored submit to the House his views relating to the
&ties on some of the important raw materials referred
to is the Petition. The duties in question were highly
inexpedient, and ought to be repealed or modified. He
was aware that they greatly impeded the progress of
out. maaufactures. Within a few days he should sub-'
nut cer.ais propositions respecting the Duty on Copper
aria of ter minerals, and he hoped that the persons coa-
ti cted tith their production would give him their sup-
rat. The hardware manufactures were greatly interested in their
ridge* wt. As Ear as he had communicated with the person. inte-
rested in mines, he was led to anticipate that there would not be any
oljeedin to Ms intended stounres.
Mr. TREMAYNE recommended caution to the
High-. Hon. Gentleman, and hoped he would not go
it ofa in his pursuit of principles of a free trade.
Sir R. VYVYAN hoped that the whole duty on Cop-
per might be repealed.
M-. P. GRENFELL also recommended that the
GOTlrumeat should proceed gradually in their measures.
M. MABERLY made a few remarks in favour of
the Petition, which was ordered to be printed.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
On the motion of Mr. Hawes, the House resolved itself into a
Committee of &apply.
Mr. HKRRIRS moved that the sum of £620,000 he granted
for defraying the Retraordinaries for the Army at the Cape of
Good Hope, the Mauritius, Canada*, &c.
Mr. HUME wished to knew how the sum of money ,
granted to relieve the inhabitants of the Cape of Good
Hope had been upended, and by whom?
Mr. WILMOT-HORTON said, that the money was
disposed of by the Commissioners who were then at the
Cape, and that Government was perfectly satisfied with their con-
duct I. the distribution.
Mr. HUME wished to know when the conduct of
Lord Charles Somerset could be brought before the
House in the Report of the Commissioners?
Mr. WILMOT-HORTON said, that the Commh-
sionets were actively engaged in their duty, and their
report would be laid berate the House as soon as possi.
ble. The Honourable Secretary denied that there was
any disposition (as the Honourable Member, Mr. Hume had on a
orlon
previous asserted), at the Colonial Office to refuse attention
to any perm who brought complaints before it.
Mr. HUME said, he would repeat his charge, which
was, that the Colonial Office deserved to be accused of
neglect, because they kept the Noble Lord (Lord C.
Somerset) in his situation, after it had been the general
belief and feeling that the Noble Lord was unfitted for his dtuatien •
his Government was an outrage upon the public feeling.
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For the Contingencies of the same Offices • 0,4134
For the Consiniasioners of Revenue in Ireland and parts
of Great Britain • . 6,200
in answer to a question from Mr. Hons. Mr. WALLACE said that
the Commissioners were about to direct their labours to an lineal-
gotten of the Stamp Department.
For the Offices and Expenses of the Exchequer . . £5,351
Mr. HUME complained of the manner in which the
accounts were kept in the Exchequer.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it
was more easy to see the defects complained of, than
to v‘medy them. He had the matter in consideration,
and should, as soon as possible, endeavour to satisfy
himself as to the best mode of dealing with it.
For the salaries of the Commissioners and Clerks of the
Insolvent Debtors Court. £16,740
For the officers and contingencies of the Alien Mee-- 4,875
For the expenses of the Penitentiary at Milbank 20,000
In answer to a question front Mr. BMUS"
Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that she experiment of
removing the convicts who were formerly diseased,
had proved that the site of the building war not,. the
cause of the unhealthiness which prevailed. A pact of
the building had been again inhabited by fresh convicts,
and some improvement having beets made in the diet,
they had enjoyed perfect health.
Sir J. MACINTOSH asked how many convicts were
in the Penitentiary, and bow long they had been there?
Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that it was desirable that'
pied, and the convicts had been in them four maths.
For Superannuation Allowances—. . ...... ......
For Allowances to Persons having claims on his Majesty
for services performed to the country
Mr. HUME wished to know why we were to pay
for services rendered' to Foreign Governments.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
that the persons alluded to by the Hon. Member, had
rendered services to this country when we had posses.
sion of Toulon and Corsica. Their claims were there-
fore upon this Government, and not upon the Govern-
ment of France.
Mr. HUME said, that the war was carried on to re.
store the Bourbons to the throne, and when they came
to it, if they had a spark of gi atitude, they would pay
these claimants. •
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER denied
that the war was carried on for the sake of the Boor-
bons ; it was for the sake of our own preservation.
For the National Vaccine Establishment . .
_£6,000

Mr. HUME complained of the sums paid for the
attendance of Physicians and Surgeons at this Board.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that it was desirable the
public should know that the Institution was under the
observance of the fist professional men, and that the
use of pure lympb may be depended upon. He had a
great .objection to seeing the labonis of professional
men required for the public benefit without compensa-
tion—(Hear). He had made enquiry as to the expen-
diture of the establishment, and, in an interview with
Sir H. Halford, he had learnt that eminent. professional
men would gladly give up their attendance at the
Board, for the sum they received was no compensation.
For the Refuge for the Destitute . £5,000
For American Loyalists . 6,000
For Protestant Dissenting Ministers . - - - . . 6,000

For the Printing Expenses of the Houses of Lords and
Commons .
For Printing the Records

. 99,000
. 10,371

For the Stationery and Printing Expenses of the Public
Departments 96,440
For the Extraordinary Expenses of the Mint and the
Gold Coinage .

. Z. 4,000

To make goatlike Lou in Recoining Trish Silver Tokens 52,000
For Prosecuting in Cases of False Coinage . . 6,000
For Fitting and Furniture in the Houses of Lords and
Commons . 4,800
Poe defraying the Expenses of Law Charges for the Year 12,000
For the Maintenance of Convicts in oar Settleinents Abroad 78,147
For Expenses incurred under the Act for the Abolition
of the Slave Trade • . 45,000
After some inaudible observations from Mr. Hume, Mr. W.
Saute, and others,
Mr. BERNAL contended that this annual vote was
an instance of the liberality of the House, but tbat the
consequence of the system they had adopted with regard
to the Slave Trade, was to increase it tenfold under
foreign flags. He did not speak with the narrow views
of a Colonist, when he stated that this system operated
to the destruction of oar own colonial produce. The
Colonists of other nations were able to undersell it in the
market. because they had the advantage of slave- la-
bour, from the constant supplies brought from the coasts
of Africa. He did not believe the American Government
sincere in their wishes upon this subject, and the ques-
tion of search was only a pretest. The cultivation of the
Southern American States could not be carried on with-
oat the use of slave labour.
Mr. F. BUXTON agreed with his Honourable Friend
that nothing could parallel the perfidiousness with
which foreign nations had acted upon this question.—
The Government of France, he was convinced, could
not continue to act so atrocious a part, and he should
therefore support the continuance of these votes.
For defraying the expenses of the Commissioners of the
Slave Trade ..17,475
Mr. Home and Mr. W. Same objected to the maintenance of
the Commission, and particularly at the Havannah.
Mr. WILMOT-HoRTON and Dr. LUSIIINGTIN con-
tended for its necessity, and said that the Honourable
Members forgot that we ne e bound by treaty. The
Learned Civilian commended the conduct of the Com-
mission at Sierra Leone.
For defraying the Expenses of Special Commissions to
Spanish America -

it'A,ooo

Fur the Salaries of Consuls in South America '
For the Coluoy of New South Wares
For the Civil Establishment at the Bahama Islands .
For the same at Dominica •
For the same in Upper Canada

35,000
I 20.000
2,477
600
6,629

Mr. HUME said. as there was an increase in this
item above last year, he should take the sense of the
House upset it. •
Mr. WILsMOT-HORTON observed, that the greater
part of the increase was in the nature of an advance,
which would be repaid.-The following Resolutions were then
agreed to :
For the Civil Establishments in Nova Scotia
For the Civil Establishments of New Brunswick •
For the same in Prince Edward's Island • .
For the Civil Establishments in Sierra Leone .
Upon this vote being proposed,
Mr. HUME rose, and stated he should shortly bring
the situation of that Colony under the notice of the House.
For the Civil Establishment of Newfoundland . sCI,IIII
For the Civil Establishment of New South Wales . 23,934
For defraying Civii and Military Establishments in the
African Forts . . 45,930
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For the Charges for propagating the Gospel in Upper and
Lower Canada, Nova Scotia, Newfoundlaud, New
Brunswick, and Prince Edward's Island . 16,532
The House then roamed, saddle Report was ordered to be re-
ceived on Modal next.

£9,645
5,194
3,010
16,530

BILL.
Lord PALMERSTON moved that the House do
resolve itself into a Committee upon the Mutiny Act.
Mr. SYKES deprecated, in the strongest terms; the
continuance of the practice of flogging as a part of
military discipline. It was quite injurious to the cha-
rActer of a British soldier, and unnecessary, inasmuch
as the foreign soldier was maintained in proper disci-
pline without being exposed to the same punishment.

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Colonel JOHNSON thought that it ought to be'
abolished, were it only in consequence olthe inequa-
lity of its infliction in different branches of the service.
Lord PALMERSTON had no partiality for the con-
tinuance of corporal punishment) though he feared
that it was a necessary evil, for the stittable mainte-
nance of subordination, which, if removed, would un-
dermine the whole discipline of the service. No argu-
ment could be drawn from the practice and composi-
tion of foreign armies, unless some analogy could be
found between their discipline and that of the British
upon trying occasions.
Mr. HM UE said, that if he were not mistaken, there
were general orders in the Duke of Wellington's service,
recommending the French discipline for British imita-
tion. He (Mr. Hume) was a decided enemy to the prac-
tice of flogging.
General HOPE said, that the practice of flogging
had in a great degree arisen from the offence of drun-
kenness, a vice which was much removed by the recent
salutary regulations of the Commander-in-Chief, facili-
tating the payment of weekly allowances, and thereby
preventing that accumulation of money to the soldier
at more distant periods, which sometimes led him into
unworthy extravagancies.
Capt. M A BEE LY thought the punishment ought tote abolished.
Mr. H. GUENEY deprecated the evil of enlistment for life,
which, prevailed in the English service only.
Lord MILTON rose, not to say anything on the sub-
ject introduced by the Member for Hull—but again to
complain of the late increase of the Army. It was well
known,that that increase was not to be attributed either
to the Financial branch of the Ministry, or to the Fo-
reign branch, but to the Military part of the Cabinet.
His fears upon the augmentation of the Army did not
prevent him from dohs:), justice to the financial regula-
tions of the Itight Hun. Gentleman opposite, which
were excellent in a commercial point of view ; espe-
cially in the reduction of the duties on wine and iron.
But all the benefit of these arrangements was likely to
be frustrated by the almost warlike expenditure now
created in the military departments.
The C lIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER entirely
disclaimed the imputation of the Noble Lord, that the
increase of the Army was a measure only partially sup-
ported in the Cabinet, and not attributable to the whole
of the Administration. He condemned the opinion of
the Noble Lord upon that measute, as one which implied
a total ignorance of the altered and increasiog conse-
quence of our colonies, trade, and other interests in al-
most every quarter of the globe. He cheerfully took
upon himself any blame which might attach to Ad-
ministration in consequence of that measure.
Mr. ROBERTSON denied that there was any reason
whatever to be found, either in the arguments of the
Ministers or the state of Europe, to warrant any aug-
mentation of the Army.
The House then resolved itself into a Committee.
Mr. HUME wished to know if there were any alterations in
the Bill ?
Lord PALMERSTON- proposed to introduce a
clause, to enable men enrolled in the militia to enter
into the regiments of the line. without the dangers
which the law threatened as at present, while the militia
regiments should be disembodied.
The House resumed—the report was ordered to be received on
Monday next.

I. Mr. WILMOT-HOB:fa said, that it was idle to
detain the Committee on such general charges. If the
Honourable Member would put them into a specific shape, they
might be replied to.
Mr. HUME thee objected to the expense of the
establishment at Newfotmdland, which might be de-
i frayed hi the
Mr. WILMOT-HORTON said, it was the intention'
et 13overnmset to make some alteration in that respect.
AIM sane farther observations from Mr. Holm, with reference
• Is ober bean, the Resolution was put and carried.
The ant Rosehoden was for a sum of £549,014 for the
of the Commimedat.—Agreed to after a few words fromMerl=
A Grant of 494630 was then presrussf: the Salaries of Me
.; • Mon of the Houses of Long and
Mr. HUMS wished to Moir why this vase was larger than it
Well last year ?
• , • Mr. HERRIES said that the increase was principally
tweed by the aka:atlas mode in the Howse of Lords.
. ITke vote was agreed to.
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