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, even' ot 'allure, that hisltilare mos(he tnenkontd to
the Throne by a self constituted an tborit y -(l*tt%)
I wish to ask whether the numerous body of rtetitio.
pets, at whose instance he had brought Inv/ord that
discussion, expected that if they failed, their ~.61harii,
must be *aeon,_ in tite Name manner, accompanied
by tiiiiiltrisittrorgaltrzniTtit an Ittiatitiorl it -tail.
beatipo. ~1 tort the trccuse4an 'isonveyed.in
the .gluase I,!.twarlitatental laws,''apilast the :visor
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firs ort'hat question, that they bad any deslgn of al•
4Mtig them; and I think the Callicilits hale :oe
right to thinnlain, that. having been Volt desetil d
WI -papists.nid Rornartisti, they are here ,desig -
'• till .ii. 'itiltriii4iledging.ll foreign jtiriidiction." Aire.
• the titbits vald the nature of that jitrisdiction stated?
Vol aid 1-Cannot help thinking, that_in times like
•tliepresedt, it would have been more wise to have
it!isflined from any topics of useless 'irritation---to
bate remeOhered the language of Paley, to have atH
tedin the genuine spirit of toleration; rather than to 1
Mite hoasteif how mach hid' been done for it. How.
if it WiltrOw that some future Spencer, availing him',
self if thii example, may not conceive himself at
• liberty to itikkit a rejected measure the vehicle of
sarcastic observation.-and by affixing a new denotni-
tiation.ioeilerciie new modes of hostility ? May he
not select iiinte opportunity where petitions have, af-
ter enduring a long and tedirats suspense, begun to
derive consolation frOm the dawn of a brighter day,
to add mortification to disappointment, and aim a
fatal blow :it a measure too difficult to be carried,
even with all. the weight of Ministerial authority)—
It is against the danger.that I wish to guard, a dan-
ger threatenlOg alike-the right of petitioning. and the
dente Of abate. It is to preserve these rights, in
•Whielt the ftekclotti of the Constitution depends, that
I ant aineiiiis. Obliterated as that freedom was du-
• • littfi the rote of the Norman line, it has never failed
...
to reigipearVining the intervals and relaxation'of ty-
rarny. • 'tit thireign of Henry IV. due ing the con-
te-zs Ow a *sniffed succession, in answer to an id
dress -ifeilin the -Spraket,
.that his Mesty could not
hied -tis 'ariflsfivate Information of whit passed
amoit_g'ltiitaktiftil Commons, but could judge them
only by their deeds; that King replied that he could
not give deaiitie to such informers, because the pro-
craediogs of tPtat House were known by the acts of its
collective bnap.-411ea0. Rear, hear!) This freedom,
0 which Was altirivards cotifinned by the 9:h of that
Monarch; prhvis that it was not of such modern
dare 4 some persons' may suspect, and that although
it may often have been suspended, it has never oe-
comeerttinct. It i's asserted in that noble protesta-
tion addressed 'to James I. a Prince with •eeins to
have beet as ignorant of 'the Age in which he lived
as of the pe.pis he had tome to govern, and who is
mid to have expimged it .with his own hand from our
lemenals; The same principle was maintained by
the Lo. Parliament—a Parliament, which, though
7.-Itirumbled the pride of Kings, undoubtedly disgra-
- ted the cause of titedom, by ch'sing its exertions to
• watrage and blood. The Revolution carne subse-
*toddy to give to it its final confirmation, and esor.,
lbsti. d is, to diffuse vrgour and animation through
• Wear tuture deliber.Voils. It is not for the purpose
lif-attacking an individual that this question is now
brought forward—it is from .an earnest tiesire to
',Mich over the sacred Lime of constitutional jealousy,
. -at it was termed by Mr. Borke.—a jealouseof that
Constitution whit. witictivie haie long been blessed,
and which ii now coifed as a model for the infant
liberties of other nations. It is to raise and main-
tain the spirit of e;rlianient, and to defend those pri-
vileges, without which all other principles must be
andangered, that Tinove this Kest:Alnico:
" that a Veda iiiktflie 11! de the Journals to the follow-
* atiet r
last -
it.

iniotru Ais Ma.

e)stoilaere, of any
Maims Ike same

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ftescL.ition of
a ulczt dig-
* iodowing
Made by tile
%ytag tt gripe
spteclialuok
sk at the end'
tot be Lori:ilia
,yself to Its at-
insensible to the
agopted, so in-
-; but I shall
and also on the
touched upon in
failed upon to
to tits House,

nients—as cat
..t and cOststitat.
...4 kre, .41s, . .d.sd expect (1001
..oe jiistice and plain dealing .. MA* Lord, that,
he Wilulti Mire brought forward a discilict Charft
against the to taiscaudact. But as the nisei,* 0. tb,'
Nable LOr4tiO,Oml,se!y. a prospective regtitiegainik
giFon
as t think„,' I,n want to the case ; '
is the red ' seems to be (Quailed iwt ere.
stlinPfton 661nm:duct on ay par', I hope' 1 guy
be la ~ . frith the leave of the 'Moine, to state why
such r lt ft.iitiois is wholly voundleis. far,
Orrigi ,' .%! Pt,tr4lagm't 411°,11P6C . sr. It
IrtiOr'. .". -,.:,4lprifcestiirity• rwiTL
proceedings or - passe with tesonSflai,
ithislie'elOnii ' otighk to have heel aclvenkt# .co 10
tbi.ge,fich 'Ali& '. I fonh occasion to dellirc AF'l6ll',
tat orthe House, of Lords ? Secondly, irthtinflui
eePdings might tiihare been noticue.„ Whether *if
were noticed in a proper manner ? As to thi first di
these questions, I humbly admit to the Ilt.use,duit
according t3'the practice Of Parliament, all or any of,
niattets that haVe occupied Ike •:----' - nf the

panel objects
4;ettlß 111%, employ.—
tiltsf the • mai, •tt
... .r, tting.'ais. s. .
' trie,lcitim de• e Lords that tisti
pto
i for 4 sOltistane% df el nude out Stab 0..
Lea • s HTlie•fltsc instopte . speech •of this kind
ti ell
,!ef 445 rd, is thee Cifieie iti Je 09; iirtheeeign of',
LHenrit VIII,Ahe nest is taipt Mr.'Speaker Lent-
iiilf, ftrlBlll".•—there were -ffsany (letting the reign
of Charles 11. In 1689 AO were tvio ; but none
• • dutitm the reign :King William. From
Ni till the present time, there is no prorogation
sifitelh'hy any Wafer entered at full length on the
Journals ,o 1 either .11otiaits 'jet, 1-741 Mr. Speaker
Onslow niede several sptetlies In the bar of the other
House, on presenting Bills of Supply 1 and there.are
net less than fourteen speechei on such occasions by.
ibis Speaker, which embrace different topics that had
engaged the attention of the Commons. Athong the
instances which I have mentioned, in the entries of
the House of Lords, there are abundant proofs of the
extension of the usage at all times. Some of the
earliest instances contain reference tef the proceedings
of the House of Commons, not only relating to mo-
ney bills, but to various other measultes. In the reign
of Charles I. Mr. Speaker Lenthall's speech includes,
many topics besides the money bills which were ere.
sented at the time that ii was spoken. Mr. C,srtio-
ton's speech in 1715, touched upon various subje.u..
And in 1741, Mr. Speaker Onslow, in his speech,
label notice of affairs that had happened even out of
the' kingdom. Mr. Speaker Compton's speech con-
tains observations on the treaty of Utrecht ; and Mr.
Onslow touches on the conduct of some naval offi-
cers in the Mediterranean. On a particular examt-
nation of the speeches made on such occasions during
the last century, it will be found that they relate not
only to Money Bills,laut touch on various public oc-
currences, both at home and abroad, even although
these matters are not brought to the consideration of
the Crown by Bills or otherwhe. In 1746 the speech
of the Speaker at the bar of the House of Lords al-
ludes to the voluntary subscription set on foot by the
people during the time of rebellion ; and again en-
tered into the mischief to Be apisrehended front
further alliances. Further—it was usual in such
speeches to touch upon questions agitated within the
walls of this House, and concerning its privileges.-
-After the Rebellion in 1745, the Speaker, in his
speech, notices a Bill which had been distUssed in
this House, relating to the internal regulation of the
Highlands of Scotland,, and not only mentions the
prOceediugs concerning that Bill, but enters into a
detail of the different opinions held upon the subject.
4nd this without fear of rePreherision. If, as the,
Noble Lord asks, it be necessary to bring.a prece-
dent of any thins being said'on such occasions as to
Bills which had not been passed by the House, I
would observe that there are only eleven of the
speeches made on such cecasions, that are pteserved
at length ; but that there are precedents for such tl'
practice, and there can be no doubt on the subject.
Such a doubt is without any just ground for its esist-
ence. From the antlsinity of Mr. Speaker Onslow,
it appears that on such occasions it was perfectly al-
lowable to extend to the notice 'not only of such Bills
as had been passed by the House, but to such as, al-
though not passed, had engaged the attention of the
House. In 1758 a Bill, relattag to the Habeas Cor.
pus Act, was passed by the House of Commons, but
seas rejected by the 'House of Lords. On this subjectl
the "speaker Onslow touched, in a speech which hii
had t.repared to make at the bar of the House OEI
Lc:l.th, but which be did nut deliver on account of.t
the absence of the King. This I adduce as the au-
thority of Mr. Speaker Onslow—(fear, Hear, Ilea',,
frost the Oleliositiou Brack.)-11 hope I may be aiiowed
to refer to a speech on the records of the P. 11114-
meat of IreLoid, which bears upon this point. In
1792, in the Parliatnent of Ireland, a bell was brought
in for the further relief of the Roman Catholics, per-
mitting than to occupy certain situations in the law,
and allowing them to intermarry with Protestants.
Aft'r tt•.,, F..st and second reading, of this Bill, and.;
wflile i! ws in a Committee, a petition was pieseutek
in coosequeilco of which the Bill was rejected. At
the close 'of 'the session Mr. Speaker Foster (whom,
although now present. I hope I may be permitted to
name historically), thought it his duty to advert, is
his speech, to a matter which he conceived to be of
ouch importance, and to state what he conceived to
have been the motives by which the House had been
halm:need in its INW&ieditige respecting that Bill; 'i
and for that very speech he received the thanks of
the rash Mouse of Commons on the same day. On;
reviewing the whole question, I conceive that in such
cases the Speaker is allowed to refer to measures
which have been d'isea'sed, unlimited by any coma..
deratioe as to their progress er failure. All weaved
44 to the importance of the matter on which I'
esiettlied; I would we. nit 'itch an occasion, have,
t legin*kled, even if there bad• nut bleu any''
mi
ll for the relief of the Roman Catholics be-'
Airelisillottse dining that session • but in the same;
*Sodom *Sill had .beetrimed for thel relief of the Ca-
.tiheikie filyhkit hod orivnisted in the House of Lords.
"4 police a Ws' hi% which &Conceived to be my,
duty,-teiteismilY brought the whole question under ,
alnittdat'siddiss abd involved the proceediogs of the
Legifittute Ivo! it. As to the second question,
whether. aikeittnis that the proceedings the House
an die stibiEctof the claims of the Rodman Catholics
ought to have heed tiotieed by me. they were noticed
igi II 'lli6Per allitheti Iciirould submit to the House ;
that its proce#4o. • svifierbeated with truth and cos-
tecides-„, . The it - . baying: bunt before the liaise,
*
me Little Bill nue *vine ' jiaidea by it. bat the
iltdothith had beeii ' Cid' into the other House
rotueett
litg.thitce Of /4 oik'
. . , having been passed; the
• 64”111freat I stated the proceedings of this
Elaine M' Heise:•--4 These are not the only ob.
jetfiteti f.h• our atteraion has been called ; other
stinsiiitiffid4 &Vries hive been proposed for our con-
Adlierip, boWever, to •
Ttwo. fie, Parliament,
Made

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411 wet.
rag. Tile tn.*
granting to thgesaltolita:pielitte al poiverepie thi was
g taint rev
fttit" Ikt:tat
negatived in the Comillintini in the parikstepli sthich
t!tave read, it is not bald hat 04,801' e'ak Ilefect4d.
It merely states Why ID! Irlousc *lad' what
would not do It sale nothing respectint what-
House at some future timer and tinder different etn-
curastances. might think proper to do. So far as it
goes, it states tke reasons,
by mentioning that the
laws require the Throne, the Legistaittre; sad a)*
Government, to be Protestant : and that the Catlin-
lies admit a foreign jurisdiction. I conceive it tO
the'dity of the Speaker tts *ststte, as nearly as Resets
possibly ascertain, the n'ai'ves by which thi
was Actbitikt such' a bi'ne. The question
whether I have stated the motives of the Maitatiq. of,
the House truly ? This was theltasic which I hitt to
execute, and by the. execution. of which I tittle rn be
tried. There is One point which as it. has been advert-
ed to, I think it necessary that I slriuld now say a
few words, though othtsisrlie I should certainly have
deented it ante stip.erfinlititi—f mean the assertion
that the Speakercan heti' dif knowledge of what has.
been done by the House, when it is in a Cdrisanittee.
It is my duty to be prevent, and to take, Cognizance
of tee proceedings of the House while' in a, es.ointatt-
tee. ; altnough indeed by the indulgence orate noise
t.,e auseece of the Speaker is, perfume& Butit is tlie
a,u necessary that he should be prevent; beciuter
when his takes the chair, be maybe celled on to ie.
ci.' some matters .'r he may lie called to the chair,
as. a•' appeled to myself, and celled- upon 011
his
!eV: .1 .y to state his opinien on a question of
; rbe referred to for what passed. Bet even
when a Bill never comes out of a Committee, the
proceedings are recorded on the Committee Books,
and to them the Speaker must have access. On such
a technical objection, I should have thought that Ise
one in the least versed in Parliamentary matters woot
.
have attempted to found the pretence of an a-gu..
ment. As to what I said on the extension of toiente
Lion ; the subject being necessarily brought before din
Sovereign by the nature of the proceedings; it le*
proper to state the opinion of the Legislature on thle
subject, the more so as the prerogative of the Croat
is much concerned in whatever relates to the jorisdier
tion in that matter. On the whole 1 would observe I
that the Speaker is entitled to address the Sovereign
on any matters that have been discussed by this
House during its session, without any regard to the
I length of time they may have occupied the attention
Of the Hciuse ; and that .where he does notice the prts-
ceedings of the House, he is to state the motives by
which the majority seems to have been actuated is
deciding the question. Great authorities have made
the path of my duty plain 104 Hope that on their au-
thority I isaVe established my vindication. As to the'
question now before you, it is not for me to sway''(,
your judgment upon it. The freedom of debate
cannot be shackled by ail historical statement
of the proceedings of the House. If the House willi
take on itself to ,prescribe new rules for the conduct'
of its Speaker, and to circumscribe his duties withiel
narrotver limits than they have heretofore been cots.l
fined, it will be for you well to weigh the nature and
consequences of these new regulations. If it sliouid.
please the House to enact them, it will then only re-1
main for the Speaker to conform to them with exact-
ness. I must conclude with my thanks for the atten-
tion with which I have been hear'). I saw the pro-
' ceeding of the i-louse in the matter of the Roman Cii.
tholic Claims, forms one of the most prominent fea-
tures •in the transactions of the last Sessions,. and I•
thought it my duty to notice them in my speech.—
If .by my conduct in this instance I shall have in-
curred, even the indirect censure of the House, I
shall lament it as a very heavy misfortune. But
must so* that to my own conscience I shall stand
for ever acquitted in what I have done, not only rip.
the servant of this House, but from having fulfilled'
my duty as a Representotive. of the people."—(Lae'
and ractinaed dicers). .
Mr. WHITBREAD having been so particularly'
alluded to, found himself called upon to speak. Is
the early part of the Session he had taken occasion to
say. that he conceived that the SpeAker had been an
'unauthentic expositor of the sentiments-of the House.
As he had said before, he would now say it again:
that (tight Hon. Personage had no aidlionty to 'eke
the liberty which he had taken when he delivered the
speech at the bar of the House of Lords, at the end
of the last Session, being, as he had described him-
self, the servant of the House of Commons. As such,
ise bad transgressed his duty. After the many yeare
that he (Mr. Whitbread) had witnessed, and wit-
nessed with uniraried approbation, his conduct in the
Chair, he conceived that the cresent was not a time
to pay him compliments which might be deserved.—
In arraigning his conduct, he wished it had been the
conduct of another. He had cent plained that no di-
ned charge had been made against him ; but it oc.
curred to him (Mr. W.), that be would not discharge
Ins duty as a Member of the House of CommOnst
unless he arraigned him for his conduct. They had
been referred by him, as was anticipated by the No-.
ble Mover, to some strange precedents. The tree-
sures of Mr. Qnslow and Mr. Hassell had been
brought before them, though he considered these au-
thorities as of less consequence than the Right Hon.
Gentleman seemed to think them. But be (the
Speaker) had somehow omitted the particular °pi-,
'niun of Mr. Onslow. He would like to seethe speech
which had been prepared by that• Gentleman, but
Which had never seen the light, and which appears',
not to have been applicable to the case. A mistake
seemed to,have been committed by the 'Right Hon.
Gentleman in citing Mr. ()Won's speech. It was
known that Mr. Onslow had intended to make a cer-I
tale speech,' which,- however, he did not make, al-
thougn he had prepared it. Now, although this
speech was cited as a constitutional authority, it was
not unlikely that Mr. Onslow might have. been pre-
delivering he,

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'the

eat 4one, attfd asignted the Venues *Sly it %id mai •
agreed to certain meagutes. Mr. Falai 'mite
stood, did not, in any one p,if,igraph.oChis speadiy„
advert to any raeasnre discussed the Is 4h Homo
of Commons, without adding. Oat the Bills
to them paced ; except telling hime

mat -wse snlieltrusess-u.-.--- ----- - _ -
Mr. Foster had stated to the Cserwusi lila the
prosperity, and mannfaetareridf lielaid; dia a
:on a this= liiiiismerit-fie ilhristif tillF
.Lieutenant (sillislitAlli addressed; of course, vs lin
setoien). that biktalb measures' ha been prat 'ilea
and defeated kitating, at the fame time, the Travel
.why, they had been defeated. He would wish amp
Member to read. the speech of Mr. Foster, .ind. 4
point out, as tie Right Win. Gondemsalmd doneii(si
his conscience sake, auF•thing analogous moths Aimee*
at the close of the last.Session.-,-Efiere the Him;
Member moved, that Mn Foster's Sposecirlista4l-ikii
read, which was accordintly done.}C.ololl///4 4
Membe r ,point out a passage of.W,.lrtsstnes ilegt
which could serve as a precedent to the Rittht.
rGentlensau ? Mr. Foster snit(, Mat the • resseatimit
ascendancy ought to be preserved ; bOt he hail an
said that it Was endangered by the qsiottre serldliNclis
be alluded.. 'there, was not one foOt of *Taira iffla
which the Right Hein. Gentt-rresn cooldlitsmshimpane-
&dent in the speech of Mr. Foster. The Might 'Haw
Gentleman had treated very lightly the objbetiondiat
he could not know what *at done by the litinse•dllina
it was in a' Committee, and had ssid, that thie Speailier
had a tight to be present whets the House was stir a
Committee. He Would refer the Right limn. Geode.
man to his ogileatitbority, Mr. Speaker enisldsv, OA
he will fwd it laid down by him, tleituelf..tntie Haws
was in a Committee the Speaker *as the only liken-
ber exempted from attending ; and the only owl eibo
could nor be compelled to attend. 'He wiatdd Mir
the Honourable Gentleman to his own teit-toosik
where he would and, that 44 when the House iris,*
Committee, the Speaker was supposed' to be' in lei
private room."--( Rehr-, Bear, *hear, from sieerri7
Brach. J-He meant to speak. techniCally. The Ili . .
Hon. Gentleman theft delivered his opinions It was
strange that he had not taken !sari in the debates at
a former time, when party feelings were-ear:4er," a •
height never before kno\vrt in this country-to`
'height, which those who had witnessed the debt=
that House conk/ never forget. If the Itigbt
'Gentleman had 'then stated his eentinierits-st biliadl
then endeavouretl to assuage the acrimony .f ?Wk.
and to restore order-it might have been of' rests. At
be atver *mitered his sentiments oh :that tae Meal
which was non called the Dube of Ntorfofit's lid, tell
which, in 1007, When the Right How. Gentleman .
filled the Chair, bore the name of a Noble relaeosicif
.his (Viscount Howick, now ?Art Grey). mit Whidls
occasioned the distolution of the-Wattidisti-a6oi lit
that day: He) contended, cLit.' is Speakee, site
Right I-lon. Gentleman could not, except by "mild
instruction from the Chairman of. a Committee, be
put in possession of the circainstances whieb,occurrid
in that Committee. And st,c4 • were. Ow estriost.
nary proceedings of that particular Committee; whieis
sat upon the Catholic Bill, that even from she Chair-'k
Man he could not Ile received any iiiformatiOn
(Near, bear.).-The House of, Comoros, after Jae(
deliberation and mature telleiticn,
.sent The Catholic
Bill to a Committee. By" a mainriey of lover the
clause, which gave the Roinan Calhoties a right se
sit in P.O liament, was lost. The Right Hon, Genth
ruin being one of those whn voted against ir. When
:e resumed the Chair, no Report 'mai made to bin
from that Committee: there was 'not, itierefore, any
prrceeding _before Vie Right ion. Gentleman, el
which he had a r'ght to ar-.r, sorl,eit he declaved, that
the Bill was defeated. The Bill, at the time tin
Right Hon. Gkritleman made the statement, Wai ill
existence and alive. -111 ear, hear.)-XV as this, then.
an authentic exposition of the s..fitiments of the
House ? . Did de Right Honourable Gentlemen
not know-could be pietend not so lianw;-Mit the
Bill had not expired ?-(Laud air: of Rear, Lear!
steal Order, order! from She Ministerial 'Jencks:4-14k.
Whitbread observed, that he was .called apts a is
speak out, and he would speak out.-,(4 I.nt:A.)--..
Could the Right Honourable Gentlematt explain the
motives on which every individual-acted on this er-`i
casion ? if, It 1807, the Right Hen. Geminate
had stated that the provisions of Lord Howick's Sal
were rejected,.because they would endanger the Coo.
stitution-those provisit us which were since Itappiir
introduced in the Duke of Norfolk's Bill-these pro-
visions, now passed in England, and so long pro-
mised to the Catholics of Ireland-would that haw
been a faireaposition of the sentiments of teat iHoaw?
And, when Mr. Speaker Foster made his exposition
on the necessity aide Protestant ascendancy in Isis-
land, hal he id his contemplation that, is die very
nest Session of the Irish Parliameet, some ef these
concessions-were granted to the Catholics, and west •
passed into a law, whiCh had been previously refuset.!
(Rear, hear.) This pioved the impropriety of ad-
verting to measures, which sere rely laid asidefor a
moment-which might be introduced. successfully
introduced, in a very short time after their defeat was
announced. As a private Member, the Right Hat.
Gentleman certainly had a right to speakin a CoM-
mittte; but as Speaker be had ne right akerwartle,
to mention what had passed. He had no tightwitisr
leer to Make the eipOsition lie bad done, sat is,bldia.
lie ooniiiilered a Violation of duty from bagiiisiain•
'Aid-Vicar; hear,)-aggravated by the eitaasims is
which. he was placed-,Rear, hear.) The Right Ho-
[iourable Gentleman bud quoted Mr. Hatsell. He
IWir.lslirbithread) would refer him to that part .of it,
' where the answer of Mr. Speaker Li-ntail was to IA
found, who, when King Charles demanded the 6ve
obnoxious Members, answered. 4, I have neither eyLs
to see, ears to hear, nor tongiie 'napes*, but as Olt
House directs." The Right Hon. Gentleman's cili-
duct had been very different-it differed essentially
from that Ilich should be 'the conduct of evcl.!,

stet, bed tfy the more trent
mtios--(Hear, !liar.) Here
• every praise, that nei voui
I, subject fame earful to at
screed—be trigt even (Merl,
the new financial arrangetn
Hon., GentlemAh seemed to
effects even beyoad the colt
cellor of the Exchequer, or
jesty's lilinit:ers.;—(e laugh.)
that part of the speech, whirl',
sent discussion, he found w
ceive to be soy thieg but
and which, therefore, deser,
As the Right Hon. Gentler
`dissatisfaction, *becanse a d
'noted on the present. occasi
',would now submit. one, as a
believed, was couched in u
He then moved,
, That all the words,. after the
the purpose of introdueting— It at
Speaker did, at the close of the
House of Lords, communlLite to
Regent, ceraltt proceedings of ti
of the whole Howie, relatise to
miblects, which rlicttiot tetminat
said did inform his Royal kiigh:
*Wets Ite presumed actuated the
they took ; whereby he was guilt
posed in him, and n breads of el
which be is die chosen grardiat a
This Amendment was st
Mr. BANKES. was rem
solutions which has( been
menu ; but he should firs
lug the last of them, becau
and substantial'of the two.
charged With a gross viol
speech which he delivered
House at the end of the lat

tion, it was proper that the
sst.occasion should be an
matters which have eng
House during its sitting.
wed the authority of Mt. 1
being desirous to know
borne out by the documen
opinion, he had consu
selves, and found that tl
bis Matters eve
tioo, of the House had, h
speeches made on such. o
Bess. ruuliug that this
wild that the case under c
taken out of the general
. speeches, merely on accot
Zia having been droppe
*at the Right Hon. Gee
part of the subject very li
objection of his not bei
thing of the proceedings
tee. Nothing could be r
that the Speaker, on tal
tome at once ignorant of
et, or had participated in
aids s, the proceedings of
tied, and to these new&
Right Hon. Cent]
appealing to the precedi
Onslow.- As to the sp
spoken by the latter, i
seemed to ridicule any
that such a speech caul(
cominissiohers in the at
robing the proceedings
All had sot been finisia
Speaker was not authi
that subject in his speec
dents not only justitied
would sanction even
Nouse negatived both I
come to some affurnatil
Mr. WILLIAMS
die Speaker had any kr
ithssed when he Made 11
tuber Kos. ? From t
the practice for the Spi
stew words on the sub
tented for the Royal al
in what he cooceived t
of recapitulating the i
the House to have bet
But is no instance wai
he Speaker os such ai
posed by a single Men
Bided or pending. H
who wont A greater lei
fesatied fully by pr'
sae branch of the Lti
trance ot a penes...din
die tuned it laid dot
asiciemt, undoubted ci
was under- discussioi
mess, the troivn mho
Gt. In 175% a I
stated his wish to b
the purpose. of rnentii
ing to a Coutt-ritartia
to the House on the i
once took the alarm,
oafs that it should nc
the speech of Mr.
not one word was sa
stood that any bill tu
before the House.
thorhy ot Mr. liatse
would wish to haw
were instances m w
such as in that of a
been before the Hou
were also some ,nit
been proved to be es
with respect to the r
speaker had no rigl
Cu; gee, est

"111 Moms
" ilk li alt ISOI re IOtO a petOtititt to ini
jogai lei& i* ' Italie of Lords, cc else
Ail At.
cimiiiieetlieetirg relative thereto, to
sleroidte - :47by tie kftereed."
• l'ilf ArEagft hati4:llV a I.!*:,e. RI
' t!* " 1 #l,• Z.t.i:','s:Cttti flOvse in
akiik4tF
Tiikeir ilia "tessive spoeckd whiChil
4.. trot *G.- 1/2...
Ir 41.1„... k siiiooik which has been a
- Mille' ' st;ulsjgying—neoeasarily inipl,
ltd kepis* clirse or misconduct, in the ,
.ak
. .by iii, id Itr.oLthe Ktittse of Lordt
or tlie 14 ' ' - the HOOse will • not
illikt I ' •' *shoos of offering my
*Othlsi. -`
• be sorry gibe 'user
ciii* or iiroc' elect% whichlM been sit
ith.liSiii to the charades- ti the House ;
Airtln;fr4ns all scant:Amu on this, and
ok/it:lineal questkin which Was toot
14 slieedi, hint which we are not now f:
discust PAiaiiiiiial. as I have been it
at. Mt atiatitilti* -4qttoe_ of its sentin
litiost tend4ct was dOw to on snlid
dimt,al kre:unds, I limit datiess Ow I,crii
the justice and Orin dealing of" WI


the Maras that have occupied the ittentiusi -of the nitmucu,ll "'"Jr. 5"n.. T.''.. i--- - --- - , --,
ftwiee • color its Amfinn. may be notke Jin the sideration. AOnerfog. howeVer, to those laws-by vented from delivering it, because lie, cc mature con• from that which should be 'the conduct ot :every in a CAmmittee, est
gpliikee's 'BOLA Oil the ciecaiion. At least it is so will
~...__;dt the Thiene, the Parliament, and the C.9-r sideration, might have thought it not quite constito. Speaker. He had used his ears to hear, and biseyes had r..at any power i
• viveluitpn in the inn* which.ire are accustonsed to Leminem'___cif "0-.1 CIAISItri art! made fiinclawmfigalif clonal. He might have thought, that to deliver it to see, as a private Member of Parliament. and used what the House lig
ellti4iler nor Tat lai:a An *n4 matters. to ;he rolwwW,„ j.we Pait )161 cn.ttlift,e_d.s6ll4aw that time might have been inconsistent with his duty. This his tongue, as Speaker, to give utterance 40 that Crown was sulkiest
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it, of ,the goo.* of Lords mot tipeethet are whn iOTirleilse 4,.
.i., .ote.., yorunliction '140014 be' precedent, then, on.which the Right Hon. Gentleman which he had no right to state—Weer, 4ear, Leer.) not, as King, to cal
tirtie.' 1 entefed. In flat ell''' to whi6 ati...t11464.,--, .156ri adill4. ...if*". .„ -If2T:lnwen• • - agui...itirisik. . , tioa. seemed. to have laidso much stress, be should dismiss This was the view he had taken of that pat tor the legal or parliament
refit ' is trs4 made, 141:444.0?1ts laid down: Ca MIS rea4r i IFIUNIRO:# _ lire* EevifFelesn. an as trralevint.—As to the other precedent, from the Right Hopi. Cer.tleman's speech. If he appliethirn.
to communicate to
oit pi.. . Anuttio r•uo oi Kilt if pititon& wfOhts s.a_r„trliat.irte-etf . bil• to .:. toe kril "her' side kxf tile water, he chotild offer a few observe• sett to the other topics contained in it, he might join
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~n a, t p• ' ndged a, frat,ctistonutty on ;he sc..6l_, trt t 4
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.4.
.. ~., !a% .6. vi , Mot. With all due deference, be did not find that his Noble Friend in praising the eloquence with which
'ititl'altei 'ming the 'overt ply on the lash at* Pezair, h;..., .
n .. :. 11 I. Slit. .. Ale /01:404' the Aral of Mr. Foster *as at Nil similar to that the Right Hon: Gentleman had descanted on the intl-
. y ot st
Non, tor thi5.....,t0 inike a aaeech
.at did -no!'
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,g39476.?4 l4 Asishert by the Right Hon. Gentleman at the of pant achievements of our, 'army, which Ltd so ircr .' ' i.....
if&.4 motion ot the Nobl
vets a censure, bir
I.t: bar of the 1-16uie of s-r:119 ekher it7l.'F -aidhtelY .4
-61_1,1614 •Al• ':v. F! " . . '
at
bit", . Wl* the last : . , ;The it:ight Hon. Gentleman. op, quently demanded the thanks of the House—those
. ... ••.• - - twig a mis:Pnceill
tin ~iii of the subject fps- Oir of the Aid itselr, or, w'''‘'gl '' ':1 i•• '. . onl 91 tee on OMNI! is ~ - hprepentative, end lupporting the dig. recorded congratulations called forth by reset events. LAW Ckathern• w
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4t the eibie aai &,-ioa; licapitulAng the nit '' ' aE be eitiesdir the nett et the 3 atate, stated wkat the Houle tad and now happily terminated by the glary of the allied
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