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in the Corn Laws.. The titles of which were accord-
ingly read. Among them was one from the parish '
of St. Ann's, Limehouse, and front Berkeley, in the
county of Gloucester.
The Noble Earl then said, while he was up. he
should give their Lordships notice of a ;notion he
meant to bring forward on Thursday next. They
may recollect that last year he took the liberty to
submit to their Lordships' consideration a motion,
the object of which was to relieve the farmer, but
without raising the price of bread. It was a motion
to unite those two objects, one calculated to please
and serve every class of the community. He meant
to bring forward a resolution similar to that of last
year, with a small technical alteration, in order to
prevent its being misunderstood. He also should
move that it be the first Order ef the Day, and that
their Lordships be summoned for Thursday next.—
The Noble Earl having moved to this effect it was
ordered accordingly.
A Petition, to the effect of the foregoing, was pre-
sented from Dusky, in the county of Gloucester,
by Lord KING.
Earl GREY observed, from documents upon the
table it was now understood, tli:it a Bill on the sub-
ject of the Corn Laws was on its progress in the
other House of Parliament, and that their Lordships
soon expected to receive it. The subject was one,
certainly, of the greatest delicacy, and one that re-
q tired the calmest and most attentive consideration.
It more especially required, that in its discussion
they should avoid nil appearance whatever of preci.
pitation. It rippeared to him, likewise, that on the
part of that House, there was not a degree of inves-
tigation, and therefore not of adequate preparation
for the discussion which so important and so exten.
tive a subject called for. Under these circumstances,
and with this feeling, he thought it an imperative
duty upon their Lordships to proceed with the ut-
most deliberation, and to enter into a farther investi-
gation before they should come to a decision upon
this grqat subject. It was, therefore, his intention,
on Monday next, to move that a farther enquiry
sliculd take place into the subject. The Noble Earl
then moved, that the Lords be summoned for Mon-
day.—Ordt•rcd.
The Earl of CARLISLE addressed several ob-
servations to the House ou the general subject. He
deprecated the measure principally referred to, pro.'
cceding as it did, without due or adequate previous
enquiry, to be ill advised and premature. What
must that measure be, which, in so early a stage of
it, rendered the employment of a military force ne-
cessary ? fie meant the Bill which it now appeared
was approaching that House. A measure of so clues.
tionabie a nature should not have been without a
great deal more proof of its necessity. After shortly
glancing at some of the details of the measure, which
be disapproved of, he requested Noble Lords oppo.
site to consider whether what was proposed may not

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be in effect sobbing Peter to ray Paul
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, he felt a fee;
observations necessary, in consequence of what had
fallen from the Noble Lord who spoke list. He felt
fully satisfied, that what the Noble Earl hod ;id-
ranced, as he certainly did the dictates of his own
conduct with reference to the subject, proceeded en-
tirely from what they conceived to be of advantage
to the counlry. With respect to any employment of
the military that had occurred, and which the pre-
servation of the peace called for, he could only say,
slat it certainly proceeded from no other motive than
the security of all his Majesty's subjects, and their
Lordships may rest assured, there was no disposition
to introduce the military, except on occasions where
it was absolutely necessary. They must all know
and feel generally, that in effect, Parliament would
cease to exist, if it allowed on this, or any other oc-
casion, their deliberations to be swayed by any cla-
mour without doors. And it was his distinct wish,
that their Lordships would proceed with no more
rapidity or expedition in the discussion than if no
such clamour had taken place. When the Bill should
come regularly before the House, he would be cer-
tainly prepared to state distinctly, and should, as
clearly as he was able, the grounds upon which be,
felt SWIM measure upon the subject, with a view to the
objects they all had in view. For his part, if he
thought the proposed measure went to protect any
one class of his Majesty's subjects, to the injury of
the others, he should be the first to oppose it. He
even held such not to be a legitimate ground of le-
gislation upon any subject, especially one of such
moment. The grounds upon which he should urge
their Lordships to adopt the measure, were, that it
was calculated for the general interests of the com-
munity. He would go farther, and say, that if there
could be a clashing of interests between the rich and
the poor (which in this instance he could not admit
to be the case), the interest of those which consti-
tuted the great mass should be considered ; and if
the measure could not be proved to be for the inte-
rest of the consumer he would consent to abandon it.
(Hear).—But his views of the suhject were very false
indeeu, it he could not satisfy their Lordships that
the intended measure was beneficial to all the inte-
rests of the community. There probably would be,
opportunities of fully discussing the subject on ano.
ther day, but he thought it necessary to say thus
much, in order to obviate any misapprehension of his
views on the subject.
The Earl of CARLISLE spoke in explanation,
and observed, he did not mean to censure his Ma-
jesty's Ministers for the employment of the military;
on the contrary, he thought it absolutely necessary
under the circumstances. There would be future
opportunities of arguing the subject to which the
proposed measure reterred, fully, when Noble Lords
would hear the objections; but it would be prefer-
able, he thought, to agree to that measure with all
its imperfections, than to have given way to the cla-
mour in the streets.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE expressed his dis.
approbation of the ground on which the Noble Lord
who spoke last seemed to consider the subject. He
should argue it on different grounds, and would con-
tend that the measure, so far from raising, would
lower the price of corn, and that it would be parti-
cularly beneficial to the class of consumers : at the
same time, he would show that it would be beneficial
to every other part of the community. In the true
View of the subject, .the question would bee, whether
that proposed was .not the most beneficial measure
'for the consumer ?
Wig remaining Dills upon the table were then re.

spectively forwarded, and' their Lordships adjourned
•
till Montlity.
HOW/ OP COMMONS.
A great netaber of Petitions were presented against the Corti
bill: amongst them were one from Birmingham, aired by
50A0 per.iins; and another from Canterbury, signed by 3000.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT, on moving to present the Petition in
favour of the Bill, front Waterford, observed, that it was signed
by evrry commercial house in that populoui town ; and that the
declaration of the well-informed subscribers positively stated that
the depressed state of agriculture had caused a considerable de-
cline in the demand for British' manufactures.
Mr. BARING requested the House to observe, that thou;th
this was truly a Petition front one great commtrci.:l town in
favour of the meaiure, his Right Hon. Friend seent.4l RIVLIOLIA
to have it nal rstood as espressiog the sense of the whole com-
mercial interests of that part of the empire. Thi, he mire beg
leave expressly and unequivocally to deny: it was only from a
body of permits who were altogether concerned in the exporta-
tion of corn, and who therefore were particularly interested in
the passing of the Bill.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT replied, that it was very hard that no
Petition was allowed to be presented to the House from Ireland,
without such imperious charges as these from the Hon. Member.
In his opinion the Petition front Waterford was as much entitled
to consideration as that front the City of London.
After a few words front Mr. FITZGERALD and Sir H. Patt-
i% LL in favour of the Peition, it was ordered to be brought up.
Lord A. HAMILTON moved for leave to present several
Petitions against the Bill front different parts of Scotland; on
whirh—
Mr. FINLAY observed, that he was now convinced, what-
ever might have been his former opinion, that it was necessary
to have a protecting price, which should go considerably beyond
the present law. He would be against the Bill if the price re-
mained at 80q.: but if 769. were adopted, he thought it must be
allowed that Ireland was hi justice entitled to a preference in
agriculture over foreigners. '
Lord NUGENT moved the printing of the Papers relative to
the conduct of the P,:tt-ofhce on the action between the Mon-
tague and Pelham packets and an American privateer. Ordered.

PETL&ION FROM Esl MINSTER.

Sir FRANCIS BIJRDETT having entered, with
a voluminous Petition from the inhabitants of West-
minster. the I louse soot became uncommonly crowd-
ed with Members. On rising to present it he ob-
served, that it contained the names of 40,273 persons,
and added, that be should take this opportunity of
shortly stating his own sentiments, and of correcting
a very treat and extraordinary mistake which had
got abroad through the means of the public prints,
which Lad uniformly represented him to have ex-
pr..q•ed himself a friend to the Bill. He was no
et the Bill, nor was he an enemy to it.—
His wish had always been, and still was, to leave the
Government to do what they pleased with it, as he
considered it calculated to serve no other end what.
ever but that of keeping up the present system of
taxation. He could view it in no other light than
as a means of bolstering up an insupportable system,
end he only differed Item others as to the remedy
which ought to be opposed to it. If his opinion were
unworthy the attention of the public, and if his con-
stituents so totally differed from him, they knew
their remedy, and were at liberty to return any other
Representative they pleased. But he would say,
that lie regretted that such riotous outrages as had
taken place, should have been directed against indi.
viduals : he regretted that the energies of the people
should have been opposed to such a miserable and
futile measure as that under consideration ; he would
rather that they had looked to the corrupt state of
their representation in Parliament, and have consi-
dered upon a remedy for it. lie had been t °pre.
rented out of doors as a person swayed entirely by
his private interests in regard to this Bill, which ab
sorbed every other consideration in his mind and
stifled every honourable feeling. But so far from this
being true, he had individually and personally no
more interest in it than the most disinterested man in
el., Lulu. -ru nuts we measure wuut4,..,t rn24,0 ease
farthing difference whether it passed or not. Every
landed proprietor might be said to be the Sovereign
of a little kingdom. He was a considerable landed
proprietor, but his policy was only to look to the de-
riving of a permanent advantage from his property.
He therefore cared not one straw whether the pro-
hibiting price of corn was fixed at 80s. or at one
shilling, or at no shillings. If the Bill passed with
80s. he should not raise his rents; if it passed with
one earning, or with no shillings, he should not
lower them. The persons who had come to that
House to propose and support the measure, did not
pretend otherwise than that they had to propose a
choice of evils. He, on the contrary, meant by
what he said, that he could propose a positive good.
The subject was intimately connected with Parlia-
mentary Reform. This would produce a diminu-
tion of taxes, which were only necessary because
their supporters wished to keep up a system that
would prove ruinous and destructive. It was this
system which kept up the present enormous peace
establishment ; and a Noble person in another place,
with whose sentiments he perfectly coincided, had
not scorned to declare his astonishment that any set
of Gentlemen in England could have the patience
to endure such a peace establishment as that which
the Parliament of England was about to agree to;
that it was not to be disguised that their intention
seemed to be to subvert the once free constitution of
this country, and establish a military despotism in
its stead ; and that if such a measure was once
passed, he should not think it worth his while to at-
tend any longer in his place. But the Gentlemen
opposite seemed to think that they were clothed with
the mantle of perfection, and could do just what
they pleased. And not only they, but whoever hap-
pen to sit in their places, think that they at. once
speak like oracles, and that all who hear them must
obey. It was very remarkable that he should have'
been thought a friend to this Bill, but his opinion of
the Electors of Westminster was so just, that he way
sure they would despise him if they thought tie could
give a vote in that House contrary to the opinion he
entertained. His opinion on one point, however,
was well understood by them. He was at all times
ready to oppose that septennial Act, which he con.
sidered to be the cause of all the abuses they had to'
complain of; and he would be at any time ready to
resign his situation to any person they might think
more worthy of their confidence. Respecting the
outrages that had taken place, it was impossible for
him to express his abhorrence of the system of putting
aimed people into houses to fire among the populace
and to have them rode over by dragoons in the
streets. A Gentleman had told him that he had
been in danger of being rode orer by a body of dra-
goons, who ordered him to go home, but he told
them lie would not go home, as be did not conceive
London to be under martial law. For his own part,
he considered all the disasters which wese caused by
the military to be acts of legal murder—(Neer,lsear.)
r-The Noble Lord may say that this military force
Is necessary to put down the disturbances. But I

say, and I will maintain that they hive tech guilty;
of word*, and that they had no po.ier to tall out
the military.. This wait not the force which the Con-
stitution required to be called into action for the pre.
servation of the pease. Surely the inhabitents of
this City might safely be entrusted w;th the defence
of their own property. No m.ui knows whether he
is safe in going along the streetc, if poople ate to be
placed in ambuscade, and to fi'e throngh d
oors anti
windows—(Crier of Ne, no.)—l go by the Inquest
of the Coroner, from which it appears that there was
no justilicaticn whatever fix their firing through the
windows—that there was no tumult whatever at the
time the iinfortunate man was killed. But even if
there were, ought they not rather to dicpi.iy their
force than to conceal it, to prevent the naci.!,sity of
shedding blood ? No man would think of placing
steel traps or spring guns in his grotin Is to protect
his property against thieves without first putting up
some notice of it. There never was such a thing
heard of before in this country as putting men in
Houses with fire-arms to fire with on the people ; to
invite the people as it were to attack by shoving no
preparation fOr defence, and t!:en to destroy them in
this manner. What could be a stronger proof that
the measures resorted to were not necessary titan
the instance which my own case affords ? I have
been supposed by the people to be a friend to the
Corn Bill, and have been represented as such in most
of the public papers ; and yet my house and persan
have never yet been attacked, though protected by
no guard or military force; for I should have pre-
ferred seeing my House razed to the ground to the
recurring to any such unconstitutional means, or the
having it believed that I could entertain any appre-
hensions fur my safety. The reports stated with such
confidence in the Newspapers were huwever vet y ge.
nerally credited. The people must therefore have
believed that in supporting the Bill I acted from an
honest motive. Is it very extraordinary that no re-
spect should be paid by the public to majorities of
hundreds of the House of Commons ? In my opi-
nion, it is nut this or that measure which the people
should take on themselves to determine against the
voice of the Commons ; they ought at once to strike
at the root of the evil, the cause of this difference
between the sentiments of the people and the deter-
minations of Parliament. It the Represeetatitet
were once restored to its purity, the House we .11,1 not
have its table so often loaded*with Petitions—(//ear).
With respect to the present Bill, I think that tfiLle
a great mistake as to the benefits which some persons
think they would derive from its thrown wit,
and especially as to the advantage which will be de-
rived from this by the labouring classes. The only
persons who can be supposed to derive any profit in
such a case, are the great master manufacturers, who,
by the cheapness of labour, would be enabled to ex-
port their manufactures cheaper ; but the 1 iliourer
can gain nothing by it. The roaster mantifecturers
complained of the high price of corn, as it raised the
wages of their labourers, and prevented them from
selling their goods cheap abroad. But it evetild be
quite the S 3111.: in either ease with the lehouring-
clasEes, whose rtward would continue u It
was, therefore, a roirake to suppose that they were
at all interested in the question. (Hear, hear.) I
think the land proprietors have, hi this case, bean very
unfairly dealt with, and that they have been held up
in a very false light. What ! are the people to tell
me what rents 1 am to have for my estate, and what
lamto do with my properw ? If we wish to have
el.. duo prosperous, every man must
be left to enjoy his property unmolested ; and no
man, or set of men, no Government, here a rigLt to
interfere with the concerns of any individual what-
ever. I wish to have t very thing free, and no pro.
tections of any kind. I would have no protection to
trade, no protection to agriculture. no pro.ection to
any sort of people. (Laugh.) We hear eve'', day
of the agricultural interest being hostile to the m anti-
factoring interest, and then we hear of the monied in-
terest, and other interests ; every class of the com-
munity is thus represented as having a distinct inte-
rest from the whole of the others ; we see every man
trying to throw off from his own thoulders to those
or Ins neighbour, a burden which all are unable to
bear. I would wish to see an end pet to this mise-
rable system, and an equal protection extended to all
classes of the community. I shall only make this
farther observation, that I am sorry any Gentlemen
of England should allow themselves to be made the
cat's paw of any Ministry, as they have done en this
occasion. (Laigh.) I defy them to point oust any
remedy but one—the renovation of the Constitution.
Mr. ROBINSON rose under considerable agita-
tion, and apologized to the House for troubling them
on this occasion ; but he declared that he must be
divested of every feeling that could pervade the breast
of a gentleman, and an honest man, it he did not
declare that he was most deeply all cted at the un-
fortunate circumstance which had occurred at his re-
sidence. He could assure the Honourable Baronet
that in many particulars of the events lie had al-
luded to he was extremely mistaken. If he had sup-
posed that the soldiers had been placed in ambush,
nothing could be farther from the fact. They were
assuredly placed inside the house, for it would have
been impossible to protect it without them. The
windows had been destroyed; the house had been
entered three different times—(Laud and numerous
cries of Hear, hear') —and nothing but the appear-
ance of the soldiers could have saved the premises.—
He believed also in his conscience that the lives of
those unfortunate persons who were protecting his
property would have been sacrificed had there oeen
no military in the house.—(Here tile. Right Ilan.
Gentleman was so deeply affocted that the tears
flowed abundantly down his face, and he could
scarcely articulate—Loud cheering resounded fivos err.,
part of the Howe.) Knowing the artifices that had
been practised to inflame the public mind, he was
aware that the indignation of unthinking people
would be excited against' him fur the perfin mallet of
his duty in that House. He had therefore thought
it necessary to remove his family from his residence:
the result chewed how well his apprehension was
founded. On the very first attack the mob bloke
into the house, and alter destroying whatever they
could lay their hands on, they swore they would
murder the servants if they did not tell them where
he was to be found. The attachmeut of these-honest
people towards him kept them in the house ; but on
the following morning, the soldiers having been with-
drawn at day-light, the mob re-appeared, forced
their way again into the premises, and were so out-

rageons tLat the;, Lcne.t ereatarectillthsrtn.:ii;
their lives were see a tnonteat.
found it necessary to represent the ciresuot..",‘
tl:e S:tcrct:try ef State. and to soli it 11:1 i'rut•
which Lai hen af:orded him. It was no: trit
the men had been in ambush, for helot; 2 giutti,
hal Leto fired, the soldiers .preseatod titer/16,th
the wial)ws, atid ad.'ressed the people, tel:i:v.7
t.) dit:?erse, or hey, Ate of thc• consequences—(;
cries of Hear, hear.) Surely, when the Ii nett
Bit onet commented on this unfortnn tte event,
called it legal murder, he it td higottea th.tt
qn':t was not yet tinis::ecl. Eut he v.0,21d c.
tie Honourdale Baronet, if he rnily
peace of society, to abstain in !mute trom rt
these. sort of statements, v.'hich cotil
kind of adv.intage. He knew t!:.rt t'tese

pie were anxious to destroy him. heco•-••
duty to bring forward du: ne..)stire in that i
and the only satisfaction he had WAS Chit I:
acted his part properly and disinterestedly.
himself nor his family would g•ii:, (•11t.
the measure ; and indeed he mild I
ed by no motive in the . pan be bad take.;,
of the pes(otmance of his ditty to the pobl:e.
therefore hoped the Hon. Baronet tc °aid
the injustice and the consequences of waking'
statements.—(Heat, hear.)
Lord CASTLER F.AGH slid, if, on prole
the. Perition the Honoirable Baronet hail re:;
himself g neral invectives at!,:iinst the Gov.
of the counzty, as war his usual practice, at.i
an attack upon the Constitution, he should hay
raid over his conduct ht silence. Brit it was imp
for him to abstain from some olv:ervation,
he had just heard horn nom what he
been understood to say on the subject of the Bi
was impossi!de t, .t to creisider him an ardent
effectual supp-rter of that measure. Bet it he
thought proper to attend and support it in his
he would have heard that there htd hero no cl
of the exercise of improper severity against thou
had broken the laws. It uas a little too nee
the Hon. Baronet now to declaim against the j,
of protecting one's house and ,preperty, when ft..
own mouth on former °cessions, be had heard
every man's house was his castle, and that he was
titied in defencLrg it to the last extremity ! (
l shwas of hear, helr, from every part of t'se thy,
IHe would say that every man had a right to di
bis house, ...iolation of the laws, or in or.'
shield himself from
.7,,let;ce—(ll:.zr, hear, he.:
bu: to protect his proper:v and his family to,
infuriate mob. The House meat forgive him (
Castlereagh) for his feeling on this occasion ; th
he trusted temper would not forsake lam
when all the feelings of a loyal subject )a-en
raged by such 1 inert age as the Hun. B
made use ot, it was impossible to repel it
pnsnre. file Hon. Baronet could not be since,
his professions to his constituents. Why el,:
be appe it here to-night, and declare that he is
supporter of the Bill ? Is he an opposer o
flow his he shewn his opposition ? Had lei no
d oret himself an enemy to c rmmerce n'
facilites ? W'ty, who had ever deckled du
could be supported without destroying the 41
The Hon. Baronet must allow him to declare,
his speech, ins:ead of tending to protect any
of industry, aimed only at the destruction of th,
stitution.—(: har, hear, hear 1 lion al/ Aarn
Howe.) lie comes from his setreat, not to
port the Corn Bill but to assail the Constitution,
oppose the Government. He trusted that those
had opposed the Corn Bill would feel that somet!
was due to diem ; and he would call on them to
whether they were disposed to embark with the
Baronet to subvert the C institution. Or whether
were inclined to give, by their silence, a prat
countenance to such an opinion of them out 44
If not, let them look to the abyss in which they
be involved by leaguing with the Hon. Baton,
such a plan of desperation. Let them repel this
, suspicion, unless they were disposed to ahandor
those venerated lav:s which protect not only the
ma:touring, but every interest in the connuy.—',
;,),c,
Lordship sat down amidst as loud and lan
need shouts of approbation as we ever remembi
have heard within the wails In the
Mr. M, A. TAYLOR said, that though he
at different times wished ts offer his opinioa
subject of the 13:11, he had abstained from Join;
because he saw that the minds of the people web
flamed. There was no man more attached to
Constitution of the country than himself ; c'
any one be mute ready to deprecate any dent!
him it ; hut so far from diiiiking that tie mil
had been iinproperly employed, he thought the
vernment highly praiseworthy for having called'
out with a view to put down a mob, who threau
destruction both to the favourers and opposers of
Every man had a right to defend his castle,
those who attacked it must take the consequenci
their ttmerity. Without such resistance on sod
casinos, no man could safely live in this count:y.
the Worthy Bironet had a fancy to have his
raa,4l to the ground, let him indulge his proper
—The Gentlemen over the way had doee
what was just ; has it succeeded or has it u.
Would nF:t more blood have been shed if these
sures had not been resorted to ? The Worthy B
net seemed it, like the company of the hustitr
Palace-yard hitter than he hked that House ei
company in it. But 1:c could not agreewith soy
of the speech of the Hon. Baronet ; becati:e hr
cnived the he had a right to the protection of
Guvrtomeot, and without affording it ai they
done, he should hive conceived they had not •
their duty. lithe Hon. Baronet chid not like
opinions, lie had better leave the House, and 1101
to hear them.

Sir ARTHUR PAGET cli.! lit sir.' the P'
who bad asseml.led before 141. Itobinson's h.i
they were very outrageous. lie kid c.nitioncd
solliets not to li:e, unless it weie abs,linely ni
saiy, but only to slww t!.cir vols. Th..y
and no shots were tired bel,,le the nuti 1,44
tempted to force the house:

Sir JOHN SEBRIGHT declared he would rn
fully enter his rowel against all the,declamarior
the Hon. Baronet. He had been in the habh
talking of his constituents as if they were thoseof
whole kingdnni. But perhaps his (Sir Min's)
stitucnts thon:;:it better of bin. fur coming then
do his duty, illan they would if he imitated the
ample of the Wmthy B itonet, and staid away