Star.
London, England, 1812-06-09 00:00:00

FORMING AN ADMINISTRATION.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, previous to the
Right Hon. Gentleman giving an answer to this
question, he felt it his duty to make a communica-
tion of certain circumstances to the House. It was
well known that a Noble Lord (Wellesley) had re-
ceived instructions from his Royal Highness the
Prince Regent to form an Administration, but that
the Noble Lord having failed in his endeavours, had
resigned his authority again into the hands of the
Regent ' • his Royal Highness then commanded the
Earl of Moira to endeavour to form such an Admi-
nistration.. He had now to state, that that Noble
Earl' ad this morning also surrendered that autho-
rity into the hands of the Prince Regent ; upon
which his Royal Highness, anxious to comply with
the wishes and recommendation of the House of
Commons, had named the Earl of Liverpool First
Lord Commissioner of the Treasury, and had given
his Lordship lull powers to form an Administration.
—(Hear, hear).—He left it to the Right Hon. and
Hon. Gentlemen to say, whether, under these cir-
cumstances, they would agitate two questions of such
vital importance to the interests of the corntry as
the Catholic Claims and the Orders in Council were,
on so early a day as Thursday? .
Mr. CANNING declared he had no objection to
name any day now, pro firma, but wished it to be
understood, it was his determined intention to bring
it forward. An Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Martin) had
a motion to the same effect as his, standing for the
day following his. He suppose& that the Hon.
Gentleman would have no objection to postpone that
also, and he (Mr. Canning) would then rehew his
motion for the 19th instant.

Mr. MARTIN, of Galway, declared his readiness
to postpone his motion ; it was only in the hope of
seeing the Right Hon. Gentleman in some high of-
ficial situation, that he was induced to give Its no-
tice at all. He had not yet given up that hope.—
(Hear, hear.). •
Mr. CANNING then fixed his motion for the
18th, and the call of the House for the day pre-
ceding it.
Mr. ROSE said, the Hon. and Learned Gentle-
man opposite had expressed his intention of bringing
forward Ns motion on the Orders in Council, on
Thursday ; he trusted when the Hon. Gentleman
considered the length of the evidence, and that at
least one quarter of it had not yet been distributed to
Members, he would not persist in bringing it forward
at so early a day.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, instead of one quarter
remaining to be delivered, the fact was, that only one
seventeenth remained not delivered to Members, and
that he understood would be delivered eithet to-night
or to-morrow. He wished to ask if Gentlemen had
seen the accounts from America ; and whether, after
having seen them, they would say this was a ques-
tion which could be delayed ? This was not of the
same description with the Right Honourable Gentle-
man's motion ; to delay this'question would be ruin.
Whilst this was passing here, what was passing in
America ?—that which would ruin this country—
(Hear.) Were they then to wait under circumstances
to see what this new brat of an Administration would
bring forth ? He spoke now for greater objects than
these ; he spoke for peace between this country and
America ; he spoke for the preservation of the com-
merce of this country, which would be sacrificed by
delay ; he spoke also for the lOU Delegates, who had
for some time been attending at the bar. He knew
not of any reasons, constitutionally speaking, which
should prevent the House doing its duty. The House
was perfect, though the Administration was not ; and
all the consequence would be, that the question would I
be heard on its own merits. If there was any reason I
for preventing his postponing his nrition stronger
than these, it was, that Lord Liverpool, after the
decided opinion of that House, declaring the late Ad-
ministration incapable, had been marked by an Ad-
dress to the Prince Regent, was again, as appeared
from the statement just made by the Noble Lord, ap-
pointed Prime Minister. Under these circumstances,
he should therefore move that the Call of the House
be fixed for Friday next.
Lord CASTLEREAGH observed, that if, in fix-
ing the call of the House for Friday, the Honour.
able Gentleman intended to be understood as mean-
, ing.to bring forward his motion on the expediency
of the Orders Council on that night, he should feel
it his duty to take the sense of the House on the sub-
ject. He could not help calling the attention of the
House to the inexpedient), (not to say indecency) of
thus attempting to hurry forward a question of this
impOrtance.—(Hear, hear.) This was not the first
time he had had to complain of the Hon. Gentle-
man's desultory notices, in which he took the oppor-
tunity of introducing remarks, and proceeded to
make comments not founded on facts, or on the deci-
sions of the House—(Hear, hear.) He would ven-
ture to say nothing could be more unparliamentary
than for the Honourable Gentleman to declare, that,
on a day when it might be foreseen none of his Ma-
jesty's responsible servants could be in their places,
he would proceed to discuss a subject upon which,
• by his own account, peace between this country and
America depehded—(Hear, hear.) Did the Hon.
Gentleman mean to erect himself into an Adminis-
tration for that pUrpose ?—(Hear, hear.) He was at
a loss to conceive where the Honourable Gentleman
obtained his information respecting America, and
how he could undertake to decide so positively on the
subject, without being in possession of any documents
as to the state of the negotiation between this coun-
try and her—(Hear, Hear.) With respect to the
-Orders in Council, would the Honourable Gentle.
man pretend to say, because he was prepared to speak
to them as the cause of the present local distress, that
therefore the House was prepared to speak of them
generally. He (Lord Castlereagh) w.is of opinion
.there was enough on the evidence to prove to the
House that they were beneficial to commerce and the
country; and to remove from the country that gloom
which the Hon. Gentleman's view of the subject was
calculated to create—(Hear, hear.) It was, he would
say, unprecedented then to attempt to drive the House
into discussion. He had no controul certainly over
an individual Member's conduct ; but he should con-
sider himself guilty of a dereliction of his duty, if;
should the Hon. Member persist in his intention, he did
not' take the sense of the House upon it (Hear, hear.)
After the scenes of the last fortnight, he thought he
bad a right to complain, on the part of the People, of
the conduct of.the Honourable Gentleman- and his
only it was who were to be
friends opposite. They

blamed; it was their conduct which had caused the
hear.)—lt was they who had placed
the House in a situation which prevented the subject
having been discussed,—(Hear, hear.)—He had ven-
tured to state, on a former night, that the Honoura-
ble Gentleman and his friends would find it more
easy to pull down an Administration than to erect
one. They had experienced the truth of that opinion.
(Rear, hear.)—He denied that any vote or proceed-
ing of the Heuse had gone, or been intended to con-
vey, a vote of censure on, or to declare an opinion of,
the incapacity of the late Administration. Nor would
he suffer such an assertion to go uncontradicted.—
(Loud cheers.)—The Noble Lord concluded, by again
declaring, that, if the Honourable Gentleman persist.
ed in bringing forward his motion on Thursday, he
would previously take the sense of the House upon it.
Mr. 8. WORTLEY rose to ask the Noble Lord
a question.

Mr. MARTIN, of Galway, rose amidst loud
cries of Order.—" Mr. Speaker, I rise to order—and
to order—only I do not mean to preclude the
Hon. Gentleman putting any question ; but I was
(Cris Order, order 1)
Lord FOLKESTONE rrse to call the Hon.
Member to order. He rose to speak to order, and
was himself disorderly.
Mr. MARTIN resumed, he was not disorderly
now, he had been disorderly on a former night, when
he wished to put a question and was prevented ; he
was at least only disorderly then in submitting to a
Gentleman who interrupted more, and added less to
debate than any man in the House.—(Cries of Order,
order ! Chair, chair !)
The SPEAKER observed, the Hon. Gentleman
must be aware he was wandering from the subject.
Mr. MARTIN—,, Sir, I have been told it is not
regular to put questions ; I was prevented put-
ting one. I owe it to myself—l owe it to the House
to remind them of that circumstance"—( Hear, hear.)
The SPEAKER said it certainly was not strictly
orderly for any Hon. Member to put questions ; it
was allowed in some cases, where it was likely to
forward public business, but must be considered as
disorderly when it tended to impede it.
Mr. STEPHEN said, he understood the Honour-
able Gentleman wished to put a question, the answer
to which would determine whether he would proceed
on some particular motion.
Sir F. BURDETT thought the strict rules of the
House did not allow of Members putting questions.
Mr. S. WORTLEY said, the House was called
on to go into a debate upon a most important ques-
tion ; previous to its doing so, he wished to.ascertain
what was the state of the Government, and it was
with that object he wished to put the question.
Mr. WILBERFORCE thought the Honourable
Gentleman, (Mr. Martin) had a right to complain,
he had himself been stopt from putting a question.—
He (Mr. Wilberforce) was decidedly against the
practice of putting questions at all.
Mr. ROSE repeated his former arguments against
going into a discussion on the Orders in Council on
so early a day.
Mr. STEPHEN was of the same opinion.
Lord MILTON thought they would be able to
debate a question without having a Minister in the
House to take charge of it, as a Noble Lord (Cas-
tlereagh) had expressed it. He wished for once the
House of Commons might debate a question on its
owe merits, without any Administration.—(thar).
Lord CASTLEREAGH had not said it was ne-
cessary Ministrrs should be in the House to take charge
of a debate; what he had said was, that it was Con-
stitutional that the responsible advisers of the Crown
should be present, to give information and advice.
Mr. WHITBREAD said, the Noble Lord's words
had made the same impression on his mind as they
had on the mind of his Noble Friend (Miltorr). He
perfectly agreed with his Hon. Friend (Brougham),
that the earliest day would be the fittest for the dis-
cussion of this question. The Noble Lord had said,
it would be necessary to have the responsible Minister
of the Crown, who was possessed of all the corre-
spondence with America, in the House. Who was
ignorant of that correspondence, except the House
of Commons? it was known to all the rest of the
world ' • and where would be the use of having the
Noble Lord in the House, since though Le possessed
that correspondence, he was determined not to com-
municate it to Parliament ? The situation of Ame-
rica with regard to this country, was most critical.
On the decision of this question depended the ques-
tion of peace or war ; and the delay of a week might
render •war inevitable.

Ms. MARRYATT thought sufficient time had
not been given for the consideration of the evidence.
He was therefore for postponing the discussion.
Mr. BARING did not wish improperly to press
this subject on the consideration of the House, but he
thought Gentlemen opposite should name some day,
some early day in next week. If they did not name
some day, they must not complain of Gentlemen on
this side of the House pressing the question.
Mr. ROSE did not think it would be possible to
bring forward the question before Friday seinnight.
Mr. BROUGHAM wished to know why it could
not be made Tuesday se'nnight ? he, indeed, could
not consent to delay the subject a day beyondrhurs-
day ; it it was delayed, it would be on the responsi-
bility of the Right Honourable Gentleman or Noble
Lord opposite.
The Order of the Day for the Call of the House
was then, on the suggestion of Lord CASTLEREAGH,
postponed to Friday se'nnight.
Mr. BROUGHAM then gave notice that he
should, on Thursday se'nnight, bring forward his.mo.
tion for an Address to the Prince Regent, on the Or-
ders in Council.

ADDRESS TO THE REGENT.

General GA SCOIGNE postponed his motion on
this subject, which stood for to-night, to Wednesday.
Mr. S. WORTLEY would now put his question
to the Noble Lord. He wished to ask the Noble
Lord, if the powers given to 'Lord Liverpool by his
Royal Highness the prince Regent, were similar to
those given to the Marquis Wellesley, or whether it
was merely a power to carry into elect the. arrange-
menu which had been proposed previous to the Ad-
dress of the House ?
Lord CASTLEREAGH was not aware or the
precise powers granted to Lords Wellesley and Moira,
but his Noble Friend had received his Royal High-
ness's directions to proceed to the formation of stin Ad-
ministration.

Mr. S. WORTLEY said it was not his intention

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