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whole &Melt to use eetutuittee of finance. But, did
he think himfelf entitled to his fupport on that ac-
count ? If the Right Honourable Gentleman con•
fulled the feelings of the Public, he could not objea
to the mottos he withed to have adopted. He fruited
iliac before the conclution of the Sedion, a Lift would
be tail on the table, of every Member, of either
Houfe of Parliament, who held a Place or Penii,,n,
or any Appointment which could be fuppofed to in-
fluence a Vote in Parliament. If not, the Public
would have too much reafon for the fufpicions which
1 they were In prone to entertain.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
then Rated, that he would with to move exprefsly
that it would be an inflruelion to the Committee of
Finance, to report on all penfions, finecures, and em-
ployments, except as to Commiffions in the army and
navy, and collthors of taxes under tool. per annum.
Lord COCHRANE rofe in reply, and faid, that
his object in moving for a feparate Committee was,
that each Member of Parliament might direely Rate
to the Committee what places they held, either di•
rally or indiredly. He confide, ed that this would
be done much more expeditioufly and clearly in the
way that he had Rated than in that which had been
propofed on the other fide. He could not agree to
the exception Rated, as to commiffions in the army
lor navy. He was convinced that co.nmiffions given
in the navy were given in confequentie of votes in that
Houfe, and he believed that the ben mode of obtain-
ing a promotion in the navy was, to buy a few
1 hour* or procure Come influence in a rotten borough
I—(n, no, from the Treafury Bench). He willed
that the Committee would report upon Members of
Parliament in the fiat place, and when that was done
he did not care how much farther it was extended.—
He thought that a book, containing a full account
of all thole penfions and finecures, would be a moll
valuable curiofity. He hoped there sroold be, at
!call, this good from the publicity of fuch things—
that many perfons might I•e prevented by the feel
ings of !flame, from being burdens to the country, if 1
they thought their names would be expofed, and
that it would be known to every body, whereas no
thame can operate upon tl-ern when-they luppore it
not generally known. He therefore pet-filled in his
original mo.ion.
Mr. BANKES ohje&ed to the motion. Referring
it to the Committee of Finance was, in file, dating
nothing. It was impoflible they could report. upon
it till the next feffior, and p, flibly not then. t Wilt'
refpeft to the Noble Lord's motion, he had fome ob-
jeflion to the mode, but none to the matter. He re•
commended to the Chancellor of the Exchequer to
tufpend his motion.
Mr. CURWEN explained.
Mr. SHERIDAN obferved, that he would he ex-
tremely furprifed if the Right Hon. Gentleman per-
fevered in the motion, but much more furptifed if the
Houfe fhould fupport hini in it. It would, in faII,
be an evalion of the original motion under the mod
paltry pretences. What was the (able& of the mo-
tion ? It was to obtain an accnuot of the pet fcns fit-
ting in that Houle, who held places under the Crown.
Now, the Hon. Gentleman lays, ‘‘ I'll give you
mote than you require. Vitt a& for a particular, a
partial, and limi,ed lid : I'll give you more. In-
head of cue totAred names, you Mall have ten
thoufand." What was the intention of this hut to
foffocate and flrangle the ohjeft which the N ble
Lord had in view. The return which the Right Hon.
Gentleman propofed could not be mad: in fix, eight,
or pOilily in twelve months. What the fuppot ters
of the motion winced to know was this, how many
Members of Parliament held places under theCrjwn.
lie trolled, that Miniders would not flculk and fipunt
from the quetiion ; and that they would no! endea-
vour to frutirate the objed of the original motion.
Mr. BIDDULPH thought there was a much
taller way of coming at the defired information than
that propofed by the Chancellor of the Ex, hequer.
He could fee no reafon why a 'paper fhould not be
given in at the table by each Member, exprelling the
amount of the penfion held by him, or any one con-
netled with him.
Mr. WILBERFORCE fupported the motion.—
The country would have fufficient fecurity in all the
great talents his Honourable Friend (Mr. Bankes)
poffeffed for butinels, that the .tenqniry, if referred
to the Committee of Finance, would be well con.
dOted.
Dr. LAWRENCE lamented that perfons who
profeffect impartiality and independence fhould take
fuch a circuitous mode of defeating the object of the
original motion. There was nothing in the motion
which was not recommended from the Throne.—
The objeft of it was nothing more than to afeertain
thole in that Houfe who were liable to fufpicion and
popular jealoufv.
The SOLICITOR GENERAL for Scotland fup-
ported the motion. The otiginal motion, he conten•
ded, did not go far enaugh. The Noble Lnrd, in-
Read of limiting his return to wives and defcendants,
fhould have alto incinded collaterals. There were,
io his opini ,n, a defcription of pet fons in whole fa-
vour influence was as likely to be exerted as in that
of nearer relatives; The Committee of Finance, he
was perfnaded, was fully competent to manage the
I fubjea. They might not, perhaps, make the expelled
return in a few days, but they would, judging by
their former labours, in a reafonable time.
Mr. MARTIN thought it extremely deferable to
obtain an immediate report. The orders of that
Houfe were much more likely to be obeyed, than the
precept of a Committee. He would, therefore, fup•
plait the Amendment of the Noble Lord. ' I
Mr. ROSE thought the Houfe was already in'
poffeflion of documents that would give as full infor.
:nation on the fubjea required as any that could be
produced in confequence of this Motion.
Mr. CALCRAFT walled to decline the liberality
of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, in his great-
readinefs to grant fo much more than the motion of
the Noble Lord required ; and faid, all that was re-
quired, was a prompt and fimple return of the cm&
laments enjoyed by Members of Parliament.
Mr. ROSE explained.
Mr. HELFORD thought it would be impoffibk
to comply with the Motion of the Noble Lord, with.,
out a Call of the Houfe.
The Qeßion Was at lag put on Lord Cochrane's
Amendment, which was negatived by a Majority of
161 to 60, and the •original Motion, as &aped by
Mr. Pereeval, was agreed to.
The Reports of the Committees of Ways and Means and Sup-
ply, were brought up, and agreed to; and, after foams farther
routine bawds, the Houle adjourned at WC awl Twelve o'clock.