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House. At any rate, the present proposition was a period at which ft ought to be more vigilantly. atg
not to be endured. It was indeed a principle of law, up to than at the present crisis, when the hi,:he t aid
that a man should not be caned on to criminate him- most opulent ceders of the community sorely kit the
self, because his confession might be used to his con- pressure, beneath which the lowest ord,-rs had seen
viction. But the evidence received in that House bowed to the very dust. How far, then, we., hit
could not be admitted as evidence to criminate a great Constitutional principle observed or ee.,,,ted
man out of it. No Court of Justice would allow it. from, in the introduction and progress of etc fee
He insisted, therefore, that the House should not, by No man would deny that this Bill imposed ad•Siti eat
admitting the proposition just suggested, destroy at and weighty burdens on the People, but pre.%l ni
one blow their whole inqueitorial power. Admit it quiry posted the necessity of these fresh intieeit,on,
now, said the Honourable Member, and it will be and if they had not, was the Houst doing its cl•ity
used hereafter as a precedent to check all enquiries wards that People that had entrusted them Wei the
into criminal abuses, disposal of their property when they voted away All
The CHANCELLOR cf the EXCHEQUER portion of that property, without beirtz first cui.v:„ceYi
observed, in support of Mr. Kenrick, that a Magis- of the public necessity that claimed it ? Ile Lad
trate might possibly be qualified at the taking of his tened with all his attention to the course tithe detta•es
office, and a•liA of such qualification might easily be upon this Bill, and he had heard mush
furnished by the regular officer appointed for such due to the King, and much of what was due to tfi,.
purposes ; but if he had changed his original qualifi- Regent, but nothing of what was due to the People'
cation, the nature of that which he at present held Gentlemen seemed to think, that though the people
could be obtained only from himself; and such en- were to pay both, that was not a me:e qu2sttnn,r
quiry, according to the present order, might lead' bow much they should give the King Ott
him to criminate himself. As to the point of evidence and bow much they should give this Queen or th,
insisted on by the last Speaker, he (the Chancellor ofi P, ince, upon the other, without reflecting 04
,4 trAl
the Exchequer) conceived that the House might very their first duty, as honest Members of Pailiareense
possibly be disposed to allow an ex-ract of its pro- I ctnsider rathsr howlittle, consistent with the taint.
ceedings to be taken ; and such extract would, un- , ties of the State, could be taken from the prickett et
doubtedly, be received as evidence against a person an over-taxed people. He had no wish to refuse teenz
supply absolutely nececsar y—but he c(.uld nut lieu any Court of Law in the kingdom.
Lord FOLKESTONE said, he could not compre- the piposition made to thsrt House, as if the tally
hend how the House could come at the qualification, subject of inquiry wac, how much the Erectrived,„
unless the order stood as it was originally made. It iralided, and not how much an oppressed people
appeared that a measurepf great importance, viz.. could reasonably spare? It was putting the ves,
the qualifications of Magistrates, had been passed into tion as if the claims of the Monarch were iilien,te_
a law; and now when it came to be enquired into, it as if the Monatch was every thing, and tile people
was alledged, that if application was made to the nothing. He was the more jealous of any conduct
clerks, they could not give the necessary Information that could give rise to imputations of that kind, be.
as to the exact situation of these qualifications. It cause he knew how to value the monarchical letrt of
was, therefore, incumbent on the House to ascertain the Constitution, and it was because he was wakes
this point according to the enactment of the law ; and that it might always find its root in the affections of
it appeared to him that that could only be done by the country, that he was and should be at all tines
suffering the order to stand as originally made. jealous of any misconduct of Ministess that could
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUE R have a tendency to soil it with suspicions—every dity
said, the order as it stood must be pro,Juctive of great that passed over them was pregnant with one great
inconveniencies, without a possibility of coming et lesson, that monarchies had their best foundausa is
the truth. Police Magistrates might have been duly the reciprocal discharge of the social compact betweei
qualified, and have given in a particular place where the Governors and the governed. But bow had kli.
that qualification lay at the time they became Magis- nisters acted up to this old constitutional principle..
crates ; and yet having parted with that property, they had not only not produced but refused to pro.
there was no way of coming at the foundation of duce the accounts sought for. There was, kir ir,.
where their qualification now lay, but by compelling stance, an additional £IO,OOO a year charged cm
them to ascertain it. This did not apply to Police the people—was this necessary ? Where were the de.
Magistrates alone, but to every Justice of Peace in cuments--where the evidence to prove its necr
the kingdom. , The Bill also empowered the Prince to reserve
Mr. BANKES thought it would be easy to modify a year from his Exchequer income, for the purpose,
the matter effectually by an amendment of the pre- paying his debts. Why not pay them at once? Hs
sent motion, in only adding a few words so as to reach was aware of his liability to be misunderstood, fe
that qualification under which the Magistrate began that should not deter him (rim the frank avows'
to act. He was sure the House would ever be slow his sentiments. The public had an interest is Ire.
to exercise its inquisitorial power; but so far as this ing the Royal mind relieved from the
went, he thought it might very fairly be done. !difficulties of pecuniary embarrassment. Tilleft:
Lord A.-HAMILI ON moved, that this debate mind should be devoted to, if not engrossed by*,
be adjourned to Friday. • great care of providing for the security and hceow
Mr. RYDER objected to the adjournment, as he of his people—but pecuniary pressures were of that
had given two days' notice, and had also sent a pri- nature, that where they existed, they must be pe
vate intimation of his intention, and of the purport culiarly goading to every well organized Mad,-
of his motion to the Hon. Baronet who had originally whether the individual was a peasant or a Prince.—
brought forward the subject. ; He thought it, therefore, a public duty to remove*
Lord FOLKESTONE said, the Right Honoura- once this unseemly load from the head of the
ble Gentleman gave his notice only on Monday ment—sbut the measure proposed by Ministers
evening, when almost all the Members had left the this weight of debt to linger assay by'degrees,
House. For his.ovm part be knew nothing of it till not in a dignified manner to be dismissed at once.—
he saw the notice yesterday afternoon, just -before he In 1803, he had voted for the increase to the °
came into the House. He should therefore vote for but he had also in the same year opposed the
the adjournment of the debate to Friday. of an Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Celcraft:
On a division the numbers were—for the adjourns payment of the Prince's debts, because he I
ment 21—against it 53. though no such declaration had ben made ti
Mr. RYDER's motion passed without a division. House, that it was the general opinion, that -
On our being readmitted, factory arrangement had been made between de
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Prince and the Executive, prior to the call upon
moved for a List of the Magistrates acting under the liament to encrease the income. He, however,
Police Bin, with their original qualibeations.— then thought the arrangement of Ministers most
Agreed to. fictive ; A full inquiry into the Civil List:
was, in his mind, the only remedy—am.,
this measure did nothing decisive as to the .
debts. He underst od. that they might, at a
estimate, be computed-at £500,000. This _
be paid off in seven years. The whole bad the
a mean trick of tl,e Ministers to keep the Prit.
pendent upon them a and though in that case
result must prove how miserably they had
as far as related to the Prince; yet the late
the Droits of Admiralty 'hewed what an at
fund Ministers bad at their disposal. The
Gentleman went at large into the questilh its
fected Foreign Courts. In alluding to the
of Mr. Arbuthnot, of whom he was willing t
with all respect, he censured the abject poi
making presents at Eastern Com ts. He spoke
his own experience at the Court of the Sublicos.
and certain Northern Courts, when Ise said that,
plain unadorned intetirity of the English charade
was more worthily represented by thew who wadi
present no other bribe to a Foreign Court, thee*
discovery of her true interests, and flatter her
ii
no other compliment than the sincerity of MNml
plain dealing. As to Lord Wellesley's chatrix
thought £lB,OOO for a few weeks stay in Spain elle'
bitant, however accurate the item of the expersdhao
He concluded with strong and general ezhoesliso
to economy. Things could not long go an u It 4
had done.—Let Ministers begin to think et lag. M'
fore the time either for deliberating or Wig 1"
got e for ever !
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQU
observed, that the subjects touched upon by _,.theli"'
nourable Member, had already been so hilly dual"
that he did not think it necessary to enter into asy
HOUSEHOLD BILL. titular reply. One idea, however, he had adisi
ed
Upon the question that the Household Bill be redidwhich was perfectly new, and that was respectiller.
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a third time, I embassies to Eastern Courts. He dour'
be
Mr. HUTCHINSON said, that the subject bad it would wise, to strip a Minister
been already exhausted, and that he did not then rise . try.like this on an Eastern Embr
I
to enforce what had been already said, which be could dour and pomp (not over spiel
not do, but to explain the nature and grounds cf his magnificence) which were aloe'
opposition to the Bill. It proceeded all along upon the Courts, and especially by those 01
violation of a great Constitutional principle. The first The expences of such missions
duty of the Commons House of Parliament was-to greater, than what were incurred
stand between the people and the opposition of undue but even as it was, we were vasty
and oppressive burdens. In the present times, it was pences to the Courts he had alre,
unfprtunately but too often the duty of that House to Mr. ARBUTHNOT rove el
impose heavy bitrdens upon the People, but it was Bonaparte sent a whole squadron
the paramount duty of that House, before they did loot to convey his miaiiier ham
so, to make themselves satisfied of thsti necessity, by tioople. .
previous and industrious investigation. It this prin. The Bill was then read a third
ciple was at all times practically true, neves was them ; to Friday.
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REGENCY EXPENCES BILL.

On die question that the Regency Expences Bill
be read a second time,

Mr. TIERNEY begged to ask a question of the
Right Honourable Gentleman. On a tormer night,
that Right Honourable Gentleman had promised to
give some information how the proceeds of.the Uuchy
of Lancaster were to be applies, with respect to me-
dical advice, attendance, &c. and particularly as to
the £lO,OOO mentioned in the Bill. He therefore
wished to know if he could then satisfy him on that
head ?

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said he was sorry it was not in his power to say any
thing decisive on the subject. The Council had not
as yet come to any settlement on that point. He
believed, however, it was intended to carrrthe whole
surplus of the proceeds of the Duchy of Lancaster to
the account of the Privy Purse ; and out of that,
RlO,OOO was to be applied towards defraying the ex-
pences of medical advice, attendance, &c.
Sir J. NEWPORT' wished to know what was to
be done with the Civil List of Ireland?

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, no arrangement had yet been made on that
head ; and he conceived that the surplus, after what
was at the disposal of the Lord Lieutenant, would
be so small, that it would be of no gleat consequence
either to the King or the Regent.
The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered
to be committed on Friday.
Mr. LUSHINGTON broughrup the Report on
the Household Officers' Bill, which was read and
agreed to, and ordered to be read a third time on
Friday.

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