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have been returned if that had been known. He knew Sanibel
Lamprey to be one. Ile conceived this Jury was formed with
a view. to'the administration of impartial justice. He was all.
plied to to put on the Jury a list of names given to him. He did
not say that he would return those people, but promised than
whatever could be done should be dons.- This waawith a view
to the trial of O'Meara for conspiracy. He felt no indignation
at the proposal ; such were often made. He never read the list,
and knew not whether any of the men on it were on. the Jury.
He believed a bill was sent to the Jury on O'Meara's case, and
ignored, and that an application was in consequence made to
the Court of King's Bench. He believed the application made
to him was to violate a most sacred duty, and he thought the
best way to get rid of it was, to say he would do his best. Re-
collected the application being renewed. He said the Sheriff
had the business of selecting the Jury. Ile tore the list, but
thought the best way would have been to have kept it, to pre-
vent the personsagetting on the Jury, and to prosecute the party.
By Colonel %MT.—Mr. O'Meara was a conciliation man;
but he could not say whether his friends would have taken pains
to prevent an Orange Jury being empanelled. .
By Sir J. NEWPORL—None but friends would take the liberty
of applying to him to get persons of a particular description put
upon the panel; he believed the way he had acted was the best
way of discharging his duty.
By Mr. J. MARTIM—The number of the January Grand Jury
was much smaller than the generality ; he made no remark on
the numerical diminution when Mr. Sheriff Thorpe chewed him
the panel; when he told Mr. Sheriff Thorpe that certain persons,
who were known to him by that designation, had seen the list,'
he smiled and went away.
By Mr. S. Rice.—He believed the Grand Jury of January,
1823, to be as respectable in rank as those before.
Mr. R. Satan.—ls not Mr. Sheriff Thorpe an Orangeman ?
Indeed I should not know an Orangeman if I were to see
one—(Much laughter).
By Sir J. NZWPORZ—He never knew what a conciliation man
was before that night—(Laughter).
By Mr. Note/I.—The second application was made to me-by
Mr. Butler, the same person who made the first. At the first
application some one, I don't know who, was by ; but nobody
was by at the second application. It is perfectly possible that I
may have said to Mr. Butler, that the reason I could not comply
with his request was, that Mr. Sheriff Thorpe had taken upon him-
self to make out the List. I have known Roman Catholics put upon
the panel, but there was not one upon the Grand Jury of 1823.
Colonel BARRY said he was about to call some of
the Gland Jury, but he hoped no question would•be
put, the answer to which might be inconsistent with
the oath of a Grand Jury.
Mr. WETHERELL contended that the House, in
the exercise of its inquisitorial power, had the right
to put questions to the Grand Jury as to what had
occurred in the Jury-room.
Mr. R. SMITH said, the case was ruled that Grand
Jurors were compelled to give evidence—there was
an exception to that effect in the oath.

Mr. WETHERELL said, the meaning of the oath
was, that the Grand Jury should not voluntarily dis-
close the secrets of their room, but they were bound,
and it was their duty, if ordered in a Court of Justice,
or in that Houhe, to disclose those secrets.

Mr. WYNN agreed with the Hon. Member, still
he would wish to see the question discussed in a full
House, because he knew that persons of high au-
thority entertained a different opinion.
After .a few words from Mr. BANKES, Mr. WE-
THERELL, and Mr. HURST,
Mr. GOULBURN said, that it was a question of
conscience with •the Juryman, whether he should dis-
close those secrets. For his own part, if he were a
witness placed at their bar, and if he entertained a
doubt on the subject, he would, at the hazard of
their severe displeasure, refuse to give evidence.
Mr. A BERCROM BY thought that the Jury were,
for the benefit of the Public, bound to make the dis-
closure—the oath of a Grand Juror did not throw
any impediment in the way.
Mr. G. BENNET thought it would be unjust to
the Grand Jury to prevent them, at the bar of that
House, from explaining their conduct.
After a few words from Mr. RICARDO and Mr.
SYKES,

Colonel BARRY said, that the Foreman, Sir
George Whitford, was ready to be examined. He
had no great scruples—(A laugh).—He was anxious
to know the opinion of the House on the point.
After some desultory conversation, it was agreed
that the Members of the Grand Jury should not be
called for the present.
John Jackson was then called, but he was not forthcoming.
Sir George Whitford was then called in and examined. He
was foreman of the Grand Jury that threw out the bills. Wit-
ness is not an Orangeman • be did not conceive that he laboured
under the strong party feelings which agitated Dublin. He
thought it would be for the benefit of Ireland that conciliation
should prevail between all her inhabitants. The Grand Jury got
the bills at two o'clock, they remained considering of them till
five, and from ten to four d'elock the next day. Witness was
named foreman by Sheriff Thorpe, three weeks before the riot
at the Theatre. Witness never saw a set of men more anxious
to discharge their duty than were the Grand Jury in the case in
question. Witness saw no party feeling amongst the Grand Jury,
it lie had he would undoubtedly have endeavoured to suppress
it. Witness heard of a reported conversation as to some expres-
sions said to have fallen front Mr. Sheriff Thorpe, touching the
formation of the Jury. Witness asked Sheriff Thorpe whether
he had made use of the words imputed to him, because if he had
he (witness) would not serve on the Jury; be pledged his honour
that he never made use of the expression. One of the body of
Grand Jury acted as Secretary.
In answer to Mr. Gaarrati.—Witness was at Sheriff Smith's
dinner; tie did not hear the " Glorious and immortal rummy"
given at that dinner.

-To Mr. Rica.—A great diversity of opinion prevailed in. Dub.
lin with respect to preventing the dressing of the Statue. Wit-
ness's feeling was, that causes of irritation ought to be awake I
irritation was caused by preventing the Statue froesidoi dionsi
Witness was one of those who blamed the authorities fistoiew
venting the Statue from being dtessed ; he did not Wok die
preventing it a judicious measure; he expressed hII
that effect. It was a matter of general notoriety thattilwrist
at the Theatre grew out of the irritation caused by Gemesdneme
preventing the dressing of the Statue; witness thought the tints
was likely.
Then you bad feelings similar to those who excited the riots
at the Theatre ?--I did not say that.
Colonel BARRY observed that questions such as that which
had been put, were assumptions of facts not proved, or inferences
instead of questions as to fact.
The same course of examination was pursued for some time,
to draw from the witness an admission that he participated in
the feelings of the rioters, but it was abandoned without leading
to any result.
Mr. Joxes.—Are you a Member of the Amicable Society in
Dublin / Yes.
What are the principles of that Society ?—Loyalty to the Sing
ad Constitution.
Are there many Members of Orange Lodges also Members of

at Society 1-Ird* not know that there are.
Are there ' Catholic Members ?—I do'

. any ...cowers f-a - not know any.
Do you drink the Glorious and Immortal Memory ? Yes.
What are the rides lk-1 really do mot know ; I have been a
very short time a Member.
The witness, in answer to various other questions,.stated that
he was not acquainted with the Hardwickes. He bad been at
Sheriff Thorpe s dinner, and drank " the glorious and immortal
memory ;" that toast had been drank &sloes as he could recollect
at all Corporation dinners ; he did not know that it was calculated
to promote conciliation; Mr. Sheriff Thorpe made a speech at
this dinner ; witness did not bear any part of it.
On this point the witness underwent a long crow:lamination
by Mr. BaoueuAss.—The room he said was very large, and the
tsetse great ; and he wee not near the and he could' net
hear anything said either by the Sheriff or b the Lord Mayor,
but he read them next morning in the isms. Hi really amid
sot ten whether the Merin steed, when he spat, on the leer