Star.
London, England, 1831-10-04 00:00:00

SCOTCH 11[1,01111 BILL.
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improved horn the thee It bad hat boa Midas= lend
the House. He thought, bawoat, dist hart pica
Into t ointnitme, it still sited saws pada/aka
He thought the ban. a his Most the bona weee
entitled to a abut. of the audit for is anprigranans in the
bill, but still he did ass approved the me m& There had
been made saws alsgusat speoshes so the Inky state of
the mpreseandsn of-Ssetbad s but they had dm
short now they had as sight to have sapper PZ
with this, but they ought to have shows the maim of
remedy, sad they bad a deb to have expected dat dig
remedy proposed should he 111111 the most pad= dist
could bs devised lay lama kgmity Sash get
be the ease, for he mamas' that the. system permed
wastht with kapsibmiga The Leggett msemdst this
to detail kis objections. Hs said then Soldad,
ablbsegh, in a commative iii, it paid a greaser pro.
:of taxation than Ragland, It was still to be car
o its former number at repromadves, or at lent
with little asonsisa. Ths head sedan= at grew
length went ima the gnallihmises of the voters. in Lis&
fag to these he made helmet ass of the words fur (maid
restmand fears, chi= seemed maintaligibie to the gram
of them who at newt us. The learned gentleman
sashed with eggssmkg a hope that they would hue
a hank =kiss of the bill before It ws. mad into a
law, mad maimsd the learned Lied Advocate foe the
possiskas he had mils Se making up the lists by She.
die, whit* he said OWE MA ei mix up those high
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am Oa ht thaw ems, hat ware to be referred so
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afgdp indeni„ and do not let him be degraded by SUL a
pin at appeal. Hs could readily agree to the imam
Nees that the rept:mm=los of Scotland was eltjardomble ;
Le he denied the as often made, that =Mad eras
alaboly far the coo:radiation he would ap-
pall le auk who had Maimed to he returned
far a Smash' mpg& He complained that there seemed
always to be symptoms of useminess • Imsver $ Each
load= was mead h. the house. Ass t tut bed ben
mid abut the dimothimstios that peevaired in Scatted; bat
be could mane Iha ham that if Caveman was Use It
the Lards so dbmalsoss aged be appraimedsd. (11=4 He
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; each_ preparations were desired. (Hat)
MC: C. FERG LISSOM repelled the insinuatiat that the
°overman bad held out timmingstat to promote db•
forams in Scotland. He thou proceeded at gres kith
to answer the arguassna at the Lamed Hama. He mid
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in farming the BM so as is reconcile the lamas of ell
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FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE.

(PRIVATE CORRESPONDENCIL)

world there was more glaring systems of vent than
existed In the state of the Scotch boroughs. The bowman-
ber jproceeded to defend different provisions of the Bill
Mr. W. GORDON, we believe, eomplained that the
proportion of the county represent;tives would be dimi.
nished ; landed interest would be-deprived of its due weight
in the representation.
Mr. C. BRUCE denied that the people of Scotland were
unanimous in favour of reform. fie appealed to the rapidly
increasing prosperity ofEcotland, as the proof of the benefi-
cial influence of her constkution. He admitted that it was
not without defects,•but a reform, far less sweeping, would
be sufficient to eradicate them.

Sir M. S. STEWARi supported the bill.
The astonishing change which had taken place in Scot.
land, since the Union, its increase of population and of
wealth, necessitated • far more extensive representation than
now existed.
Mr. HUNT said, the assertion in the Tones, that he
found fault with the Lord Advocate's speech, for Its being
too radical, was a barefaced falsehood.
Mr. 39. CAMPBELL supported the bill.
Mr. PRINGLE said, the present constituency in Scot-
land was intelligent and independent. He denied that the
Scotch were not attached to their present representation •
they cherished it as the monument of her independeme, the
visible proof that she was united to England, not by force,
out by a voluntary compact.
Mr. S rEWART said, the system of representation in
Scotland was so deployable that those who did sot Ignite in
abolishing it, stood convicted of being enemies of all Reform.
Mr. GI LLON said, there was no sympathy or compact
between the present electors in Scotland and the people. Thecounty constituency, which had been the object of eulogy.
as representing the landed interest, was chiefly composed of
individuals possessed of no landed property, who considered
their franchise merely as an object of speculation and traffic.
The people of Scotland could furnish numerous independent
and intelligent constituencies.
Mr. DUNDAS opposed the bill.
Sir G. MURRAY rose to call the attention of the noble
lord to the proposed anion of parts of counties with counties,
for the purpose of election. He considered it an anomaly to
connect a district politically with a county, to which its sta-
tistical and other relations would have no reference.

After a few words from Mr. GOULBURiraod other
Honourable Members,
The House went into Committee pro forma.
Lord ALTHORP moved the adjournment of the Com.
mlttee till to-morrow. In answer to a question he said the
Bankruptcy Bill would come on on Wednesday.—Modea
agreed to.
The House resumed.
The other orders of the day were disposed of, and the
House adjourned at Two o'Clock.

PARIS, SUNDAY.
The King removed yesterday evening to the
chateau of the Tuilleries. Upwards of 600 work-
men have been actively engaged in the interior for
the last fortnight, in removing all traces of the
This occasioned new draperies and curtains, in
almost all the apartments, as the former decora-
tions were profusely ornamented with the now of-
fensive Bower.

This morning the review of the battalions of the
National Guard -has taken place in the Court of
the Tuilleriesitnd Place de Carousel.

The Revolution was stopped yesterday at the
Post-office, and the remaining numbers seised at
the printing office. The Quotidienne was also
seised yesterday for repeating the article for which
the Tribune was seized on the preceding day.
The Courrier Francois has the following :
" A very unexpected report was afloat yesterday.
Whilst M. Casimir Perier fancies his Cabinet more
firm than ever, the retirement of one of the Minis-
ters is perhaps on the see of occasioning the dis-
solution of the Ministry. Some persons remarked
that Gen. Sebastiaiii was not on the Ministerial
bench at yesterday's sitting, but took his seat near
M. • Bertin de Vaux. Several Deputies stated
last night that Gen. Sebastiani bad told them
that he was leaving the Ministry, that the affairs
•of Belgium were settled, and a treaty ready to be
-signed between that country and Holland ; that
there was nothing serious to be feared either at
home or abroad, that all affairs commenced under
his ministry were nearly terminated, and that
nothing opposed his long-formed wish of with-
drawing from public life. Strange as these reports
• may appear, it is certain that the deputies who at-
tended the sitting entertained no doubt last night
of the retirement of Gen. Sebastiani."

The 'owned of St. Petersburgh of the 17th of
September, contains a report of Marshal Puke-
which, of the operation, of the army on the 6th
and 7th of September. In this report he states
the killed at 1,000, and besides three general offi-
cers who had received gun-shot wounds and two
contusions, 176 officers and 4,202 subalterns and
privates wounded. Accounts of the Conferences,
accompanied with the documents follow.
An article from the Polish frontier, states, that
the Polish army hanged their late Commander,
General Rybinski, and suddenly broke up during
the night between the 21st and 22d of September,
crossed the Vistula above Plosk, and entered Kuno
on the 23d September, with the supposed inten-
tion of marching against Kali•ch.
Ms u EL, SEPT. 16.—New bands of insurgents
are forming in Samogitia. Their chief is a person
named Uminski. That insurrection has caused
great anxiety to the, Russian employees; they
have already made up their baggage ready to be
()Eat a moment's notice, to take refuge upon the
Prussian territory.—Gazette de Etat de Praise.

THE EVENING STAR.

LONDON, TUESDAY, OCT. 4.
wasammall.
OK I oTtocx, Tam DAs.—Tbamometer, e 7. Bs-
T,rneter, 29-88. Weather, fair, and cloudy. Wind W.—
/nary :sin lan night.
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We recur this day to the debate in the House
of Lords, because it is the topic which absorbs the
attention of the whole population of this Empire,
and scarcely less that of foreign nations ; for all
Europe considers itself deeply interested in the
existence of a British Legislature, which is governed
by Tessou and common sense, and not by the
%.0,706 of corruption.
In another column we have collected so many
uncut opinions on the subject, that little remains
but to give some account of the pro-
t(filings on the first night of this all-important
'mil. perhaps, portentous debate. Should the Bill
~ntortut►ately be rejected, whatever may be the
ulterior designs of his Mciestr's Ministers. we
are persuaded that nothing short of a Rotas.
Pnoctssisr)ou, announcing shoos ~ills
4113 s the excitement and resentment of the sa-
tjue. Nine out of ten of the 'saki 'opals-
lion, and, we might add, nineteen of twenty

of the female population, stand pledged to each
other to procure the accomplishment of this object.
Should the Bill, therefore, miscarry, owing to bi-
gotted prejudices and personal interests, real or
supposed, it would be difficult to anticipate all the

consequences, and scarcely prudent to speculate
upon them in the columns of a public journal.
It is too certain that a very general impression
prevails, that their Lordships will reject the Bill.
We ascribe this notion, however, to the habits of
the people generally in estimating their Lordships.
They judge by past experience—having found
them by system averse to liberal measures. We
hoped better, and have propagated a contrary be-
lief—assuming that LOADS are not the only por-
tion of the PROPLe who do not advance in intelli-
gence with all the rest of the age. We consider,
therefore, the adverse anticipations as libels on the
Peerage, and hope that their Lordships by their
vote, will belie them.

Tho House of Lords last night presented the
SUBLIME SPECTACLE Or HALF ♦ MILLION OF
PEOPLE AT ITS BAR, demanding the mere le-
gislative form of their recognition of Rio TITS
with which their Lordships have no direct connec-
tion ; and which connection, if assumed, is di-
rectly,in the teeth of ancient orders of the House
of Commons, and • crossing of that line of demar-1
cation which the spirit of the CONSTITUTION has
drawn between the two Houses.
There were altogether one hundred and thirty
petitions presented—the numbers of names to
thirteen of which were specified by their presenters,
and they amounted to the astonishing total of
202,419 ! The numbers of the other hundred and
seventeen petitions cannot therefore be supposed to
be overrated in estimating them as the complement
of HALT A MILLION.

For the everlasting credit of these places, we
will name them in the order of numbers :

Glasgow ... .. ... 46,000
Alaochester ... ... ... 33,140
Loudon Political Union ... .. 30,000

Bristol ... ••• .. 26.740
Renfrewshire ... ... .. 19,664
Shellleid ... .. .. 19,136
Norwich ... ... ... 11,370
Montgomery ... •• ••• 7,000
Perth Shoemakers .. .. 3.600
Southwark ... ••• .. 3,270

I/reimport .. ... .. 2,000
Lanark ... ... .. 2,000
Hammersmith ... ... ... 500

202,419

But when we observe, that among the places
net enumerated, there were the counties of Dur-
ham, Salop, Wilts, Lincoln, Lancashire, Ayrshire,
Devon, Kent, and Cornwall, besides many large
towns, we conceive that the sensibility of their
Lordships must have been strangely blunted to
hesitate in their determination. Besides these
petitions, no less than ZIOHTT others were pre-
sented by the Loan Cnancet.t.ot alone, the
names of which places were too numerous for
newspaper report; but it is a iibject to which we
shall cheerfully return on an early day, for it was
a proud triumph of public virtue.

As a contrast—and, alas ! what a contrast !
the most venerable the Eirl of ihnort was em-
ployed to present three counter-petitions, one from
the incorruptibk borough of Bridgewater, another
from the never-to-be-forgotten Weymouth, and a
third, we blush to name it, from Norwich, signed
too by no less than 13,500 persons !! ! It
transpired that it was a petition promoted
by the clergy, and by some of the magistrates,
but for the honour of Norwich, we hope that its
secret history will be fully developed ; and we
should be happy to devote halt a column of the
STAR to the purpose. It was an eclipse ! while
all around was in dazzling illumination.
The debate was opened by Arl Grey, under

circumstances most creditable to his feelings ; and
as there are few of our readers who will not study
the debate, we forbear to analyze Its arguments.
Lord Wharecliffe led the opposition ; and in conclu-
sion moved the Bill should be rejected—a phrase
so unparliatnentary, that he afterwards retracted
it, and substituted the usual motion, that it should
be read that day six months. Lord Mulgrave re-
plied. Lord Mansfield supported the amendment;
Lord King made a very pointed speech in support
of the. Bill; Lord Bute then alternated objections;
after which a discussion arose on the form of the
amendment, which was corrected, as stated above,
when they adjourned at half past One.
THREE. O'CLOCK.
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A report has just 'tubed os, that the Tory
Leeds are divided, Many of them desiring modil.
cations rather than the rejection of the bill in tote;
and these, it is understood, will therefore support
the second reading, and discus their amend-
ments in the Committee. Should this be true.
then the Bill, in spite of sinister reports
will be carried ; and the Opposition be defeated by
its own over-weening confidence.
We learn also, that the sensibility of our Patriot
KING on the whole subject is greater even than
that of any of his subjects.

In the House of Centabons the only subject of
interest was a financial statement of the Chan-
cellor delis Exchequer, who estimated the revenue
of the 'year at 07,250,000, and the expenditure
at £46,756,000—being an excess of income of
£493,000. TM Comets* had fallen off, dos*
the quartet; her iserwreseete were antielpegod.
liowoo:poWyloy .was akellili, th Scottish Aims
Wa.allerg twats' Liaak 114'.
Tea ieftereeding , article:4 in ear bet pep ..41110 by
Mr. CLAYTON J113111T1114 OS the illegal and op-.

mesh. character of Orders in Council ; and ano-
ther by Mr. BUCLIWOHAN, relative to questions
raised at Sheffield, by a small party, against his
return for that place.
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We have an express from Paris, this morn-
ing, but it contains nothing very new. It repeats
rumours about the retirement of S IDA filt lAN I,
and exhibits various speculations about Poland.
It is also said that Prussia has begun to diminish
its military preparations.

It is rumoured this morning that some tumults
have taken place at or near Glasgow, or are so
much apprehended, that the 90th regiment has
been shipped with all speed for Leith.

DO RSETSH IRE ELECTION.
We are happy to be enabeld to state, that at four
o'clock last night, Mr. Ponsonby was in a majo-
rity of forty on the day's poll ; and his friends are
confidently anticipating that the remaining majority
will be speedily overcome. The town was then
quits thronged with voters who had come in to give
their votes in favour of the Reform Candidate; and
it was quite impossible that all of them could be
polled that night. Large subscriptions are spoken
of in favour of Lord Ashley, made with a view to
influence, by this election, the decision of the
lions* of Lords. Surly the people of England
have an interest in passing the Bill, and as we hoar
that a supply of cash is needed by the Reformers,
it is only just towards Mr. Ponsonby, that some
portion of' the expenses should be borne by them
for the sake of wham political rights he is now
waging war with a desperate faction, who will
leave no means untried of preserving their corrupt
power.
The numbers polled yesterday at four o'clock
were—Mr. Ponsonby, 467 ! Lord Ashley, 427.
CITY EI----1-S—TION.

The contest in the City may be considered as
♦irtually at an end, since the choice of the Alder-
man must be made between the Lord Mayor and
Alderman Thorpe, whom the Livery have placed
at the head of the poll, both yesterday and this
morning.
STATE OF THE 011088 POLL—FIFTH DAY.
CLOSE OF THE POLL—THREE O'CLOCK.

The LORD MAYOR . . . 2,640
Sir PRTER LAURIE . . . 2,482
Alderman Tnoarg . . . 2,347

This day despatches were reeeived at the Co-
lonia! Office from Barbadoes, Dominica, and New-
foundland. The Despatches from Barbadoes are
of the most melancholy description, announcing
'the loss of FOUR THOUSAND PERSONS by the late
hurricane.