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tie Bill. U•;vernment were emit:ate," Li. a h..t they saw ant. batted every
dev. that they were calculated to the contentment and lospeimes
or the ceititity (Hear, hear.) The more information Gevernment re.
caved re•ptctirg the population of the boroughs. the more satisfactory
it Iseult' he to them, and the heuse and the country. (Hear, hear.)
Sir F.. SUGDEN observed, the very defective chataeter of the re-
turns, on which the government had proceeded, now daily appeared.
The alterations already proposed might alter the character of the bill.
Places were now to be included that had before been exempted ; and
that, in a measure, by which ministers were prepared to stand or falL
as regarded the measure for Ireland. be disapproved of it. because it
proposed to increase the extension of its members, accompanying a
measure to reduce the electors for Ireland.
Lord J. RUSSELL explained. lie begged it to be undentood
that if the members were to be retained ; if it should be avowed that
the number ought to be 658. the government was ready to meet that
opinion; but he bad never said, and it was not so intended, to restore
these boroughs which they had proposed to disfranchise.
Mr. O'CONNELL said the conduct of Government was most pro.
per. The detail of the 13111 was to be fairly submitted to the Com-
mittee, and he complained of the language (Sir Pa Sugden's) adopted
regarding Ireland; for if there were to be interests, thete ought to be
equality of rapresentation between the two countries.
Mr. GEORGE BANKES wished to know, whether the Govern-
ment really intended to proceed into a Committee on the Bill on Mon.
day. He complained of the secrecy that had icen observed previously
to introducing the measure—the inconvenience was now felt.
Lord J. 11U6 SELL replied, that on Monday he proposed to enume-
rate the projected changes, none of which however would alter the prin.
ciple of the Bill.
Lord G. SOMERSET was glad to find that Ministers had found it
was necessary to change their measure.
Sir CHARLES FORBES said the monstrous measure was already
producing its natural effects. Scotland, before it was introduced, was
contented and happy, now it was from one end to the other in a flame.
( Mr. Flume said, With Illuminations !')—(a groat laugh.) There was
20,0001 damage done in Edinburgh in one night in consequence of this
hill. There was now a petition lying fur signature In Faliaburglapray.
tog for the repeal of all taxes, and that the petitioners, if celled to
serve in the militia, might be allowed tv choose their officers by ballot.
—(A laugh.) He had no doubt, the petition would be numerously
eiansas by .he same petitioners that signed the petition for Reform,
:timed,' presented, many of whom signed for a glass of whiskey, anti
were told that after the Reform tli‘..y would have whiskey for nothing.
(A laugh.) The Reform Rill would rouse all Scotland, and when
mused it nut be easily sat ct rest. Such a bill ought never to
have been intr•:doc•al into thlt House. There has rot one is ten who
first heard the noble hoed propose it, that did not think it a joke.—(A
t :ugh.) If it had ken than grappled with, i: would have been thrown
out of il!a house, as he hoped it would be on .Monday night. (A laugh.)
Mr. said it was amusing to hear the objection, now made
.0 the bill. When introduced, some hon. members said there were
curs in the population returns; and now that the noble ltwd means to
correct those errors they were etill dissatisfied. Font one end of Scot.
rand to the other, there was one universal congratulatiou at the prospect
f the bill. lie was coniitlent the windows in Edinburgh •sere broken
ey the nti-reformers. (Cheers.) He hoped Ministers would go on
steadily. and carry the whole bill. (Hear, hear.)
Col. SIUTHORPE was glad to hear that there were considerable
alterations to be made in the Bill. Ile considered keeping up the full

number of the House a most important impveve.v.-mt. -
Mr. K. DOUGLAS said, since the Bill was brought in, letters had
been written to Scotland by Winks:4 of that house, calling upon the
pevplc to insist on the whole bid, which had produced very mischievous
censcquenees. He was glad to lienr that Ministers were willing to modify

their measure.
Mr. HUNT said lie had been through a volt pupulnus part of the
country within the lust nine days, and he found the country was not
running wild for the present measure. (Hear, hear.) He had met
.1.00,000 turn, and he had not found one man silo was left out of .he
franchise that approved of the measure--(hear. Lear)- and he had no.
found tale matt who was included is the franchise that did not approve
of it. (Hear.) He hoped the Bill would pass, because it vould r.•ake
an inroad. (Great applause from the Opposition.) It would melte an
inroad into that accurs,d system that lied brought that House into con-
tempt, not only with the people of this country, but with all the
thinking men in the world. (Hear.) All the bodies of people he had met
declared they had been deluded by the representations made to them.
They h d expertd that the reform would give them cheaper bread end
u-cat, red clothing. (Cheers from the Opposition.) lie had n depu-
tation cf the Spitallields wearers with him that day, and they expres.sed
thernselt es dis,atisfied with the measure, as they were to be excluded
by the bill, and they would gain nothing by it. (Renewed dicers from
the Opposition.)
Colonel DAVIES said, the Hon. Gent. had proved himself the
enemy of Reform. (Cheers.) He hoped the people of Preston would
recover from their delusion. They thought they were sending n Re-
fonner to Parliament. If he did not think the Bill would reduce the
}ice of bread and meat he would not vote for it. What was it that
kept up the present enormous establishments and taxes but the corrupt
matt of the House ? (Hear, hear.) He was confident Ministers must
rgdv.co their establishments, or they could not keep their places six
mot ths.— (Hear, hear.)
Mr. HUNT said, he had stated facts that came within his know-
ledge, and the country would find his statements were correct. Had
sr: one of his filujesty's Ministers held out to the country that the bill
wr•uld reduce the price of the necessaries of life? They had not; but
had, and in that way deluded the people.
Sir CHARLES FORBES said, he understood the learned Lord
Advccate had received letters from all parts of Scotland, stating that
Scotland was in a state of the g,reatest excitement. He had no doubt
if this bill reseed. the honourable member for Preston would come
with a eruggt,n lead of petitions, for universal suffrage, annual Par-
liaments, and vote by ballot, signed by millions of IVllOtiti.

PERLIC WORKS IN IRELAND.
:Nit. STAN LE Y said, in moving fur leave to brine in a bill for the
promotion of Public Works h. Ireland, he should not go into the quest.
tion which was already fully discussed. The right honourable gentle.
man made the motion.—brave given.
The SOLI CI TOR.G EN Elt AL fur Ireland moved for leave to bring
in a bill for the better administration of justice in Ireland.
O'CoNNELL asked was it the learned gentleman's intention
to bring in a bill to es -initiate the jury laws of England and Ireland ?"
The StaLICITOR.GENERAI4 *aid such u bill had been prepared
by the tat: administration. and it was his intention to introduce it to
the Douse, if he found it applicable to the state of Ireland.
Mr. O'CONNELL said, the t'iterif of Dublin must bee party man
in he would nut be elected, and he put party men on the jury. (Phut.
was acme confusion in the house.) He begged pardon of the hon.
gento. for expecting their attention to any thing SO beneath their notice
as the administration of justice in Ireland. There seas a report laid oil
the table of the house years ago, stating that a public officer in Dublin
was in the habit of selling juries : that any man who bribed hint was
sure of an acquittal ; and he whorefused to bribe him had a jury agates.:
him; yet that officer was still Sub-Sheriff of Dublin. (Hear, hear.)
He hoped the House would at least give Irehmd equal jury laws with
England. (Hear, hear.) The Insolvent Court in Ireland did not give
satisfaction, and be hoped it would be improved. He implored the
honourable gentlemen not to make die ejectment laws of Ireland more
severe than at present. The present state of Ireland was, in fact, a
servile war of poverty against ptoperty. He hoped the jury bill would
rot be delayed.
The SOLICITOR.HENERA L fur IItELAND said, none of the
cliaturbanees at Ireland arose front the administration of justice, which
he believed to be or present as pure as in England. He should pay im.
mediate attention to the Jury Dill.
Mr. HUME said there were ample proofs of the corrupt means by
which Juries were returned in Ireland, and he thought there should be
no delay in correcting the evil, and that a distinct pledge should be
given.
Lord A LTH 011 P said he was willing to give a pledge that imme.
diate attention sheuld be given to the subject, and a bill should speedily
be brought in to remedy the detects of the existing Jury Laws of Ire-
land (Hear, hear.)
Leave wesgiven to bring in the bill.
pray names OF TUC HOUSE.
Mr. W. WYNN moved the order of the day for reading the resola.
tion of the Committee on the privileges of the house.
The resolution aaa read, which recommended that when in bills on
the Criminal Laws the House of Lords imposed pecuniary penalties as
a punishment, if it appeared to the house that the fine was not imposed
to raise a tax, that it might dispel se with its privilege, and not reject
the bill on account of such a clause.
Mr. VYNN said legislation was impeded by the present practice of
rejecting any bill, in which a pecuniary penalty was imposed or varied
in the House of Lords. He should therefore move that the reaclution
be adopted.
Mr. HUME said, he bad giver the tabject some consideration, and
he did not wish to surrender any of the privileges of the house.
Sir H. PEEL was not sorry that the resolution was not allowed to
pass without being quettittned ; but its the penaides were not imposed
fur the purpose of taxation, but as a commutation for a severer punish.
men', he thought it might be agreed to. If the House of Lords were
to impose imprisonment the bill would pass ; but if they imposed the
more lenient punishment of a fine it would be rejected.
blr. HUME said he was perfectly satisfied with the explanation.
The resolution was then agreed to.
CIVIL LIST.

On the motion of Lord ALTHORP, the house resolved into a com-
mittee on the Civil List Bill.
Lord ALTHORP ►aid he had before stated that, although the Com-
mittee had reported that a saving of 12,0001. might be made in the sum
proposed by Ministers to be granted to his Majesty, yet as his opinion
was different from that of the Committee, he could not feel himself jus-
tified in proposing the reduction to the House. He should, therefore,
support the grant of 510,0001. for his Majesty's Civil List.
The clause being read,
Mr. HUME said be could not agree with the noble Lord. Had not
a Committee been appointed, he might not have objected to the amount ;
but after a Coannlttee had made a report, he could not consent to its