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PARLIAMENTARr PROCEEDIN&s.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, MONDAY, JULY T.

On Mr. VANSI r fART's Motion, the fevers! Orders of the
Day relative to IrelAnd, were poltponed till to-mermen
The Lingham Divorce Bill was committed, counfel and evidence
were heard, and the lt,p It ordered to be received to-morrow.
On the Motion of Mr. R. DUNDAS, the third reading of tie
Diftillery Bill we. deferred till to-morrow.
The Members' Privilege Bill went through a Committee, in
which Sir Charles Price and Mr. Serjeant Belt fupported the Bill
it oppofition to Mr. Jolinftone, who oppoled it particularly'as k
operated as an ex pejfes9, law, to the prejudice of there who may
have come undTr engagements in other eircumaances of the law.
The Report to be received to morrow.
'Mr. WHITBREAD moved that a Committee be appointed to
taped the Journals of the Lords for information on the proceed-
ings of their Lordfbips relative to the Commiffioners of PubUe
Acco,,ne. and to report what they Mall find therein to the Houfe.
Ordere 3.
Moved alto, that the Committee appointed to draw up Articles
of Impenitent= againit Lord MdviUc be the fame COmmitta.-
o:dered. •
Lord ARCHIOXI.D HAMILTON moved the third reading
of the Corn Bill, whidi, after tome converfation between Mr. J.
Perguron,•Lerd A. Hamilton. Sir John Sinclair, and the Secretary
at War, was read • third time and pallid.
A Menge was received front the Lord', acquainting the Houfe
with their 1 ordlhips' concurrence to the Woollen Manufadlurer's
Bill, the Great Britain and Ireland Coen Tranfportation Bill, the
Irilh Compenfation Bill, the Etna India Woollen Export Bill, the
frith Ulltics Regulation Bill. the Bill for regulating the Duties on
Paper, with an amendment, to which their Lordffiips *fired the
concurrence of the Houle, with tome other private BiUs ; acquaint-
ing the Haute alto, that their Lordfhips had patted a Bill to enable
them to continue theie proceedings relative to Judge Fox, notwith-
Banding any prorogation of Parliament, to which they defired the
Concurrence of the I lode.
Mr ROSE obtained leave to bring in a Bill for the better Pilot-
ing of mffels in the B La leas.
On the mod n of Mr. KINNAIRD an humble addrefs was or-
dered to he prefented to Die Majetty, that his Majefty would be
gracioufly pleated to lay before the Houle, Copies of any Reports
that have b_en laid before his hiajefty by the Commiffioners for
Regulating the Civil Affairs of the Navy.
The Univerfitits Advow fon Bill was read the third time, and
paired.
Wt. ST. VINCENT.
Sir ANDREW HAMOND fail, that amongft a
number of official papers laid before the Houfe,
upon the molion of an Honourable Admiral (Mark-
barn), was a letter tv the Navy Board from the Board
of Adntisalty, dated 19th Glibber, 1802, and con-
taining a copy ef the minutes of their Lordfhips'
proceedings of the 16th of the fame month. He
bad not himiilf particularly adverted to the circum•
Rance till morning, when he found it would be
neceffary that the anfwer of the Navy Briard to that
lettet fhould be alio before the Houfe, and be wifhed
to be permitted to lay it on the table.. On Mr.
Speakei'v foggeftion that it Would be more regular
to move for the paper, he accordingly moved, That
a Copy 4111 e laid Anfoer be laid before the Houfe.
Aelmoal MARKHAM tole, net, he Paid, to op-
pore the predation of the paper now moved for, as
he bad no Ltleeth n to the prodation of any paper
whatfoever that might give the Houfe any neceffary
information on thiv fulijat, but to esprefs fome de•
gree of Ito pi iae at the circumflarsce of moving for
a paper, declared to be fome importance, on the
very evening previous to the difculllon of an impor-
tant futica to which it related, and when it would
be impoibble to have that paper in the hands of
Members in time preparatory to that dircuillon.—
There were many papers fur whiCh he had moved,
and w liich were not yet printed. There were many
other,. which he alto might think important, and
might be &thous of moving for ; but his only ra-
tis for not fo moving was a with not to impede any,
longer the pi-fwled dircullion. •
Mr. KINNAIRD role to expects his extreme re-
luaarite, that a difcuffion of fo much magnitude and
impottance fhould be preffed forward on to-morrow,
when now, upon the very eve of that diauffion, it
was declared by Hon. Gentlemen on both fides of the
Route, and both highly interefled in that difcuffion,
that there were yet many papers' of importance to the
queition, and which were abfolutely neceffary to in
form the Houfe, not yet laid before it, and which it
would now be impoffible to bring forward. To the
H. mailable Member who propofed to bring for-
ward fohje& to-morrow, no blame could attach;
t °old any man fay, that he had not given the
Houle an le time to prepare ; but if he was now in
his place, be (Mr. Kinnaird) fhould not hefitate to
put the_anitter to his own liberality, whether it
would be ta;r or candid, even after all the delay to
which be had acceded, to profs the Houfe deci-
(ton, and at this period of the felEem, for which it
now appeared it could not be duly prepared. He
&mild hope that, if the Honottrable• Member was
flow in his place, I.e would have no oblation to the
Rill lathe, poftpnnement of hi: motion.
Sir A. HAMOND laid,' that with refpe& to the
vapor for which he had jult moved, as •the letter
was before the Houle, fo he thought the anfwer
esould be alfo.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER

coincided ht the opinion exprelfed by Mr. Kinnaird,
and thought it extiemely defo able, at thi• hoe pe
riod of the feffion, when it would be imp -frible that
lubjat of fu Mud. moment would be C. amply &-
cuffed as it; imr.rtanee'requited, that it lhould be
pollponed to another fel/ion of Parliament. He had
himlelf opinion, on the fulled, which lie fhould cer-
tainly expret; whenever it Ihould e.,me regularly be-
fore the Houle; but he hoped. there would be no ob.
jeflion to poflponc it until there va, a more favour.
able opportunity fur giving it that dircuffion to which
1 it was entitled. • _ _ _

Mr. JEFFERY (who was in the Houfe) rote, and
raid, he felt it extremely hard upon him, after the
repeated delays to which he had acceded, week af-
ter week ; after the pains he had taken to prepare
himfelf on this Inkier% that lie fhould now be called
upon to pollp me it to a future fellion of Parliament.
He had only to fay that, from the documents he
had moved, he was prepared to fiibllantiate his
charges agaiofl the Noble Earl ; and that, although
delay was now propoled for the want of other docu-
ments not yet laid Ware the Houfe, he could truly
alert that the papers which had been moved for by
the Honourable Admiral had no more relevancy to
the fubjea than to any other fubjea, however extra-
neous. He begged, however, to remind the Houfe,
that he was prepared to fubdantiate his charges
againa the Noble Lord to the full fatisfaaion of the
Houfe, and to prove that to which he had already
pledged himfelf ; namely, that Lord St. Vincent
was the worft enemy this country ever raw (ti ca!! .f
Order I Order ! Order !) He would repeat the alfer-
tion, and he was ready to fubdantiate the fail ; and,
however fevere upon himfelf, or hurtful to his feel:
logs, to be called on, after fo many delays, and fo
much pains as he had taken to prepare himfelf for
the talk he had undertaken, to poßpone the bufinefs
to another fellion, yet, if it was the fenfe of the
Houle that he fhould do to, he would fubmit ; at
the, fame time, however, folemnly pledging himfelf
not to recede from his objea one inch, and that no
man or body of men fhould, by any endeavours to
.procraftinate, prevent him from bringing it forward
immediately after the opening of the next fellion of
Parliament.
Admiral MARKHAM treated the potation of the
Hon. Gentleman as a mere afTertion, which could se
prefent be oppofed only by affertiOns of the fame na-
ture. He had never wifhed for any procraftination in
the bufinefs, unfelt fo far as to give time for docu-
menu, which he confidered as neeeflary and impor-
tant to be laid before the Houfe, and the patty accufed
had certainly a right to move for what papers they
thought proper.
Mr. TIERNEY deprecated the language that had
been held by the Hon. Gentleman in the prefent
Rage of the bufinefs, as datemems in • this manner
found their way to the public without the proper
means of contradiaing them, though in point of
candour, he thought the Hon. Gentleman, along
with his notice, might give Tome idea of the ohje9s
of his motion, that Lord St. Vincent's friends might
better be able to move for fuch papers as would meet
thofe (Nees.
Mr. JEFFERY was very willing, did the Houle
think him at liberty, to Rate the critic& of his motion.
His charge againd Lord St. Vincent was, that from
the time he entered on office as Firß Lord of the
Admiralty, in February, aot, he had neglated to
keep the (hips in good repair that we had, nor did he
exert himfelf fufficientiy in building new ones, either
in the King's or Merchants' yards—he had not even
laid down the [flips that he had ordered to be built,
and for a very good reafon, that he had allowed the
yards to be deliitute both of timber and men, whom
he had prematurely difcharged. In no one way, he
maintained, had he kept the Navy in proper repair,
nor did his duty as a Firli Lord of the Admiralty,
but had employed his whole force in laying up his
(hips in ordinary, at half the expence that would have
kept them in repair.
Admiral MARKHAM faid, that having heard
the charges alledged by the Hon.Gentleman.he would
(hape his UR of papers that he meant to move fur ac-
cordingly.
Mr. WILBERFORCE wifhed the Hon Gentle.
man to Rate to the Houle the nature and objcd of
his motion, in a clear and comprehenlive way, that
the Houle might be fully aware of the lubjea it had
to riding's, and Members might be fully prepared, iti
the courfe of the vacation, to meet the queflion with
competence; when it fhould be brought forward.
Sir WM. ELFORD faid, his 'Hon. Friend had
fuly !bated the heads of his feveral charges, but it
was hardly fair to call upon him to Rate precifely the
motion he intended to ground upon. thofe charges.
Here the converfation ended, and Sir Andrew
mood's motion was agreed to.
It was fully underilood that Mr. Jeffery's quaint*
is poßponed till next &Ilion.
DUES OF ATHOL'S CLAIM.

Mr. WILBERFORCE role to make his promifed
motion, that an humble Addrefs be prefented to his
Majelly, praying that he will be gracioully pleafed
to appoint Commiffionere to enquire into the Claim
of the Duke of Athol to a further Compenfation for
his former rights in the Ifle of Man.
The CHANCELLOR cf the EXCHEQUER
obferved, that he had heard little elfe this night than
A recapitulation of former arguments on the fuhjea.
One point, however, he thought worthy of notice,
that was the fuppofition of the entire voluntary con-
currence of the Duke of Athol to the original agree-
ment about the difpolal of his rights in the Ilk of
Man. It mutt be tecolletied that an over rigorous
meafureitad been adoired by that Houfe in order to
terrify LW Noble Duke—that he was not unlike a
perfon whd capitulated on terms. Was it then fur-
piling that halsould have been rather glad to give
up a part that' face the danger which then threat-
ened the wholtrolhis revenue? The prefent Duke
now came to appeal to the liberality of the Houfe,
and that Houfe would certainly not think of plead-
ing a Statute of Limitations to their liberality; they
would not think of ordering that any precife fora
thould be alcertained and proved as if it were in a
Court of Law ; they would not think of guiding their
conduit by formal rules or precedents, as if they had
to tax a bill of colts. But they would give with a
liberality worthy 'of the great objea which was Cub.
mitted to them, 'and becoming the honour and libe-
ral charaaer of Parliament.
• Mr. WINDHAM erpreffed Come dcgree of furprife
at hearing the Right Hop. Gentleman now bring
this matter of compenfation forward as an appeal to

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the liberality of the Houfe. After fo much difenffion,
the fabled was now brought into the region of fenti-
ment. He did not like to talk much of fentiment in
fo thin a Houle ; but he would fay, that according
to the molt arid and literal meaning of the word as
applied by Tome of the belt Writers incur Language,
he confidered this tranfadion to be neither more nor
lets than &redly. plainly and palpably a job.
Mr. SHERIDAN declared, that he had fupported
the claims of the Noble Duke, becaufe he had thought
him to be an injured and an oppreffed man, in the fame
manner as he had beep known on former oceafions
to have given his fupport to others who might be
fuppofed to be in a more helplefs fituation. But in
fad one principal reafon why he voted for compenfa-
- don being given to the Noble Duke was, becaufe he
eonfidered that we, having great power, had made
a bargain with a man who was utterly belplefs. The
Honourable Member then took a moil comprehen-
five view of the various debates, public opinions, and
private letters on the Coble& from all of which he
maintained that it was evident the Duke of. Athol
would have gained more by regulation in his revenges
than he ever did by any illicit trade; that the trawl.-
'anion alluded to the file of his right, was matter, of
regret to him for the remainder of his life, and that
Tome of the molt eminent men had at the time
thought that the fubjed ought to be recenfidered.
He therefore was of opinion that the prefent was an
appeal to the manly liberality (putting aide all idea
of the fiimfy word Centimetre), to the dignity and the
honourable charafter of the Houfe.
Mr. CURWEN denied that hii Grace of Athol
bad the ability to ipereafe the fair revenues of the
ifland to the extent, or in the manner which had been
fuppofed. and fupported the motion for levity.
Lord TEMPLE fpnke elf° in favoirr of the motion.
He denied that the opinion of a Noble relative of his
(Lord Grenville) was favourable to the claims of the
Noble Duke.
Mr. BARHAM adverted to an exprcflnn which
had fallen from a Right Hon. Gentleman oropolite
him (Mt. Windham), and Paid that he would be
equally juflifled in his application of the word job;
he might with equal propriety fay that all oppofition
to further pompenfation was a job.
Sir WILLIAM ELFORD was of opinion that a
fair appeal was made, not only to the liberality bat
to the Jake of the Houle.
Mr. BANKES fupported the motion, as there did
not appear to him to be any fads before the Houfe
upon which it could be enabled to form a comet
judgment on the cafe. It was' of all others, a cafe
that molt particularly called for inquiry • and the
moll proper way to do that would be by the appoint-
ment of Cotnmigioners.
Mr. W. SMITH (poke at Tome length for the mo-
tion.
Mr. GRAHAM Rated, that the Duke of Athol
would confider this as the final fettlement of his claims.
He would be fatigfied with the decifion of the Houle;
whatever it might be.
Sir W. BURROUGHS nppofed the motion.
Mr. WILBERFORCE replied; after which the
Houfe divided—Ayes 23-.-Noes 61—Majority 38.
The other Orders of the Day were then difpofed of,
and the Houfe adjourned.
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