Star.
London, England, 1830-11-10 00:00:00

„r her heart's bloat ; and true, indeed, was the stateinent, for he
(31r. 0.C.) had never known the Parliament to grant anything to Ireland
but what had been wrung from it. He should go on to do his utmost, he
would endeavour to imitate the Brownie's of 1782. a name that would
only be eclipsed by the brilliancy of those who, in 1830. voted with him
for the repeal of the union. (Cheers and laughter.) And again, as to
the hon. gentleman's speech opposite, there was slowness and a creeping
about it that showed from whence it came; but let those who receive
the country's money—tax consumers, and burthena upon the people,
attack him as they pleased, he who was born in Ireland would go on to
discharge his duty aright, and he trusted that he would live to see the
day when Ireland would be a free legislative country,
Lord ALTHORP said, the information which the hon. member for
Waterford had received of the eight hundred persons was equally un-
founded with the statement of the eight bundled families. Lord Milton
had sent him (Lord Althorp) the information which he had received
from Mr. Challoner in Ireland—that information was,that there wereonly
tour families under notice to quit. Three of those held about 30 acres in
common, and the other was in a different lordship. Those were under
notice to quit, r.ot in consequence of any thing relating to the sub-
letting act, but because they were now, and had been for a considerable
length of time, in great arrears of rent. In consequence of the state-
ment made by the hon. member, Lord Milton had sent over to Ire-
land, and this was the answer he had received, and which he (Lord
Althorp) had been authorised to state to the house. Mr. Challoner was
at present with Lord Milton, and as this information had been sent to
him (Lord Althorp) only on Saturday night last, the house must be
satisfied with the accuracy of Lord Milton's conduct, that if there had
been any mistake in the answer, he would have lost no time in forward.
ing a correhon.
Mr. O'CONNELL, in explanation, observed, that the document
had made a directly different impression on his mind. He was per.
fatly willing to submit the documents he had in his hand to Lord
Milton, and also to the house, nor did he ever intend to throw out
any accusation on Lord Fitzwilliam.
Mr. DAWSON did not mean to indulge in the use of offensive
language. Whatever the hon. member for Waterford thought proper
so say of his (Mr. D.'s) public character or public services he had a
perky right to do so either in that house or elsewhere ; he therefore
did not hear the observations as to his being a clerk in a public office,
receiving such large salaries from the country, and so on, with
any indignation, because they were observations which every
public man might have made upon him, and only those which
occurred to every vulgar mind. (Loud Laughter.) But when
the hon. member for Waterford chose to attack his private character, and
to allude to his not now being member for Derry, and which was
the consequence of his supporting the principles the learned gentleman
had )always advocated ' • when he presumed to touch any thing affecting
his private character, he (Mr. Dawson) had every right to say he had
had the misfortune to receive his encomiums both publicly and pri.
vately, and he had now the good fortune to receive his abuse. (Laughter
and cheers.) Well did the hon. member for Waterford know that
he durst not utter one-tenth of what he has done if he were not
covered with a disgraceful impunity. I will not follow the subject
farther than to say that I perfectly despise any thing the honourable
member may say. One of the hon. members who had spoken had said
that great complaint existed in Ireland, because Englishmen were sent
over to fill offices in Ireland. If this were so not only that honour.
able member, but all Ireland ought to recollect that the same coin.
plaints, or more bitter complaints of the same nature prevailed in this
country, for it was in every mouth that a vast number of young men
from different parts of Ireland fill both the Customs and Excise Offices,
to the general exclusion of Englishmen. The public ought to consider
this, because without recollecting it the subject was calculated to excite
discontent in the mindsof the Irish.
31r. GRATTAN said, if every landlord in Ireland was as kind and
considerate as Lord Fitzwilliam, there would be much less of poverty
and complaint in that country. He knew that sonic of the tenants on
his lordship's estate had been served with notice to quit, but it was not
intended that they should be removed (hear).
Sir H. HARDINGE said he had also reeeived a lctter,contradicting,
in the most positive manner, the hon. gentleman's assertion respecting
the turning out tens*ts.
Mr. BROUGHAM said, he hardly ever came into the house with-
out hearing such lam used as was used in no other house in England.
Hon. gentlemen had got into the habit of giving each other the lie,
sometimes more and sometimes less directly; he hoped the practice
would be discontinued (hear, hear).
Mr. LYTTLETON presented a petition from the parish of Hales.
owen, Staffordshire, against the payment of wages in truck. He would
here mention a fact which required to be stated in the house. When he
brought in a bill on this subject last session, it included Ireland. The
learned member for Waterford asked him to omit Ireland, and in reply
he happened to say, ” I don't care for Ireland." This expression had
been mentioned by the learned gentleman in Ireland, as if he (Mr. L.)
did not attend to the interests of Ireland; but instead of his using the
words in a contemptuous meaning, as had been represented by the hon.
and learned member, he used them meaning to say that he did not care
whether or not the bill he had proposed was extended to Ireland or not;
and that, from a subsequent communication which took place the same
evening regarding the bill, the hon. member for Waterford must have
been fully aware of his meaning.
Mr. O'CONNELL contended that he had understood the expression
to be used ins contemptuous sense.
Mr. PORTMAN said he wished to ask the secretary of state for the
home department, what measures, if any, he intended to bring forward,
with a view to relieve the extreme pressure of distress which was daily
increasing? He contended that the people were in such a state of ex-
citement that it was desirable something should be done ; and if the
government would not do any thing, they should say so, and individuals
would then have an opportunity of making propositions to relieve the
pressure of distress.
Sir R. PEEL declined to answer the question of the hon. member,
and said it was unfair to call upon him for a detail of the measures which
lie might have in contemplation to relieve the condition of the labouring
classes.

Lord NUGENT remarked that the country would be ♦ery much dis-
appointed if the Government did not do something to relieve the op.
pression of the working and middling classes.
Mr. SLANEY said, the condition of the labouring classes in some
of the southern counties was such that they could not be safely left
much longer without some reliel : but he was confident that ministers
would, on an early day. introduce measures for the relief of the country.
Sir R. PEEL, in explanation, said, that though he refused to answer
the question, he was anxious not to have it supposed that he was in-
different to the condition of the labouring classes; for, on the con.
trary, the subject engaged his most anxious attention. So many
measures were connected with the question, that it was impossible to
give a specific teply as to one specific measure. He would suggest that
the fittest form to bring forward the question was for some county
meiniter, who was versant in country affairs, to bring forward some spe-
cific measure.

Mr. POR I'MAN, in ciplanation, said. he had no intention of ask.
Mg for indiscreet disclosures; but he wished to impress upon the right
lomourable gentleman that delays were dangerous, and that the worst
consequences would arise if he did not take some measures, and that
speedily.
Slr J. WROTTESLEY alluded to the tumults in Rent. He said,
that when a constable was found to be insuificiartgo discharge his duty,
and preserve the peace, it was the common practice to lend him more
assistance ; and he begged that ministers would immediately take mea.
sures to check the disturbances. Nor would he be contented unless
that ministers also probed the causes of these disturbances to the
bottom.

Sir R. PEEL said that it was rather a hard request after government
had been called upon to reduce the military force to the most limited
scale to be called upon to furnish the assistance of military. He de. I
fended the government from the charge of supineness with respect to the
disturbances in the county of Kent. He had authorised the Lord Lieu.
tenant of the county to re-organise the yeomanry. The Solicitor of the
Treasury was at Maidstone, making inquiries, and he had sent down
every police officer who could be spared from the metropolis under pre-
sent circumstances, with a view to.come to some solution of the mystery
which prevailed respecting the fires and other alarming proceedings. Sir
Robert concluded by expressing an opinion that the fires were not the
work of the resident population.
Sir IL KNATCHBULL also expressed his opinion, that the con-
flagrations were not the work of the peasantry.
Mr. BRISCOE regretted that fires had also broken out in the county
which he represented (Surrey.)
Mr. C.W.WYNN brought in a bill for the repeal of the oath of
abjuration. Read a first time, and ordered to be read a aesond time on
Friday next.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL moved for leave to bring in a bill
for the extension of the statute of frauds.

and Mr. O'CONNELL spoke in support of
the motion. _ - -

31r. CAMPBELL, after animadverting on the state of the law with
respect to wills, observed, that the law commission, of which be was a
member, intended to propose, that twenty years' possession should
establish an undisputed title. He was opposed to the code system ;
never had a code been Introduced which bad not produced more litiga.
turn than previously existed.
Mr. O'CONNELL explained.
Mr. HUME said, he would ask the-learned gentleman whether the
twenty years' possession liw was to be applied to Church property ?
3lr. CAAIPBELL said, that the law should not be the same for
Church and for lay property, as the former was not hereditary.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL explained.
Leave was then given to bring in the bill.
Mr. HUME moved for a return °hire number of unattached officers,
and the annual eipetise thereby incurred.—Ordered.
Mr. HUME moved for a return of the number of officers who had
been promoted' by brevet since the accesion of his Majesty.--Ordered.
Mr. HUAI E moved for a return of officers receiving half-pay from
tht regular army, and half-pay from the militia..—Ordered.
On the motion of Mr.. HERBIFS, the report on the Trade with the
Shish Posseslions Abroad Act was ordered to be brought up on

Thursday. _ _
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Mr. BURRELL 'nosed the second reading of the Sussex Special
Juries' Bill.