Star.
London, England, 1831-07-09 00:00:00

RADICAL acroam.

Mr. HUNT prese6t;tla petitionfro; Manchester, signed
by 19,400 persons of the working classes. He said that the
petitioner, had In vain attempted to get the petition pre-
sented by the member for Lancashire—and yet that member
was for the whole bill. ft was also offered to other members.
In the late debates much had been said about the borough.
mongers, but nothing in favour of the 7,000,000 adults who
were to be excluded from the elective franchise. He added,
that he had ever been, and remained, an enemy of the corn
laws. The petition was foe universal suffrage, annual par-
liaments, and vote bj ballot.—(Hear.)
Mr. HAY WOOD said, that he had reasoned with the de-
legates who had applied to him about this petition. He had
represented the injurious tendency of their petition, and he
I added that he should be quite ready to meet his constituents,
and justify his conduct.
Mr. HU MR obeerved, that he had also thought the pe-
titioners were doing great harm to their cause, and therefore
declined to present their petition. He was of opinion that
the petition was nut that of the working classes t end he
made that statement from circumstances that came to his
knowledge.
Me. O'CONNELL observed that the delegates had
brought the petition to him. They discussed the contents
of it with him for an hour and a half; and then two of
them left him declaring that the petition ought not to be
preesisisd. Previously to their leaving him they asked him
very seriously, whether he thought Mr. Hunt had been
bribed by the Times. ( Much laughter.) lie give them his
opinion, first, that he thought no one would bribe that hon.
member, (great laughter) and secondly, that it they were
disposal to bribe him, he would not accept a bribe. (Laugh.
ter and cheers.) With these reasons they appeared to be
satisfied. (Laughter, and cries of Heat.)
Sir C. FORBES said, if universal suffrage were ad.
mitred, he did not know why the ladies were not to vote ;
they voted at the India House ; and Lesideit, he did Lot
know one lady who was against the Reform Bill. ( Much
laughter.)
Mr. LA BOUCHERE observed that though he are.
scored a pot-walloping borough. his constituents approved
of the bill, well knowing its beneficial tentucv. (Cheers.)
Mr. D. W. HA UVEV said, that the mi.jority of his con.
stituents were non-residents, yet they approved of the bill.
Sir IC. SUDDEN raid, the people of Ergtand called for
the bill, because they did not understand it—he had e wee
met with any bill that it was so difficult to comprehend.
Alderman WA ITH MAN spoke strongly i 6 support of
the bill—the people knew their own interests very well, and
therefore they approved the bill.
Mr. HUNT observed, that it was very curious that he,
who was the only remaining radical, was constantly attacked
. only by the radio Is who had apostatized ; he meant the
members for Middlesex and Kerry (Hume and O'ConnelL)
'
1 And yet they said, only let us get the MIL, and we will go
. all lengths with you. (Cheers.) The member for Kerry
had truly said, that no man was less likely to be bribed than
he was. (Loud laughter.) It would go forth that he was
the only man whu was prepared to present the petition.
The bill would disfranchise six thousand out of the seven
thousand electors for Preston, and be believed that the clause
was prepared exclusively for Preston. (Hear' and Oh !) He
would propliecy—(much laughter)—if they did not pass the
bill there would be a convulsion; and if they did pass it—,
so disappointed would the people be—there would then be a
convulsion; he was no prophet. (Cheers and laughter.)
Mr. PORTMAN asked whether the member for Preston
had not taken an oath before the Lord Mayor to vote for
" annual parliaments, universal suffrage, and vote by ballot.
I Mr. HUNT He had, and would repeat the oath before
the hon. member if the opportunity were offered.
Col. EVANS. admitted his conviction, Shit if this bill
were not passed, the most calamitous results must take place.
—( Hear.) He regretted the course i mated by the menibtr
for Preston.

Air HUNT said that might be; but was that hon. ft-Am-
ber prepared to submit the proposition which he had pla.
carded at Preatont namely, to mire the repeal of the law of
primogeniture ? if so, be was prepared to support him. -
Loud cheer..
Petition ordered to be printed.
Sir H OWEN moved for the extension of the time for
considering the Pembrokeshire election petition to the Ilth
of August.
laird A LT HOR P proposed that the 4th of August should
be named. instead to the Ilth.

Agreed a, Oki som•: rem.arks frogs Mr. C. WYNN, du.

MLIT VOL LIVi SPOOL.

Mr. E. DENNIS'. IN renewed hot motion tor issuing
new Writ fur Liverpool (it was in room of himself, he hav-
ing been elec;ed for two places, and havmg made his elec-
tion for Nottinghamshire.) The propee.ed susp. es.ion of the
Writ, he considered wholly unprecedented. There was
neither ground nor example for it.
The Marquis of CH it NDO:i observed that the Writ bed
been previously suspended; did the Hon. Jlember for Wilt.
since intend to renew the motion for that suspension.
Mr BENETT r plied that he should not renew that
motion ; but if it were made be would support it.
Mr. C. W. WYNN observed that the present was an
anomalous case; there was, in reality, no similar COW.
He strongly urged the House not to accede to du present
motion ; but to leave the question meen till the result was
known of the proposition of the Member for Wiltshire as
to the state of the reptentritation of Liverpool.
Mr. H. GURNEY supported the motion. It would be,
to take on thenowl.es. a moat estraoettinary exercise of
power ithitatt4l this writ. It there had been built, there

hsd been mere visitation for k—(Hear.) He, thassiset,
'mord the. ti.e met inn would not be pressed.
Mr. WASON hoped dim the motion would be wlibibrawn
till the motion fin the member for Wilts* ire should be dis-
posed of. Inquiry was absolutely necessary after what
took place in Liverpool in August last; the bribery ex.
' seeded what had occurred anywhere else. And ought that
to he passed over because it took place in a large and popu-
lous place? What had been stated elsewhere? Why that
the election of Mr Canning had coetonly 00001. and bribery
was now going on. Public...houses were kept open where
votes were registered and paid ft. calculating on the cep-
preaching elect On. Not was the last election free from bri-
bery. There had been paid foe vo:es 101. 1111. and 201.
He was prepared to prove these facts at the bar. Never had
such wholesale bribery taken place ; and would the homed.
lently pass over such proceedings ? The facts were noted.
out, and capable of the dearest proof. Never bad these
been such gross proceedings; 12 or lb individuals had died
in consequence of the excesses which had taken place there.
He said nothing of those deaths--but were those comp-
dons to be endured ? were the lass strong enough to grap-
ple with Orampoand—and unable to compete with the great
seaport of Liverpool P Was that really to go forth to the
public ? Let them recollect that they were about to create
a constituency who would he selected out of the classes who
bad been guilty of these corruptions. He deemed it right so
state these facts. He called fur the suspension of the writ,
because he knew not how otherwise the proper diacossion
respecting Liverpool might be brought hrward. CM We&
cagey last the subject was brought forward sad then there
was a " whipper-out" in addition to the" whipper-in."in
consequence of which the question was gat rid of."He
added, that if the freemen. the abject freemen. wen I be
alit/wall to continue to vote, " blooded" as they had bees,
the grossest corruptions most stIU take place its elections for
Liverpool.
Mr. C. PELHAM made sane observation, bat it was
wholly inaudible in the "allay.
Mr. GOULHUIIN saki, that they had before determined
that they ought not to Moue the new writ till they hod heard
the motion of the Member for Wiltshire ; and he thought
L.l ought not lista!), to &part from such course. If they
were to act aim: wise, thew would fairly be chargeable with
soniething like double.dealing. Resides there was no occa-
sion for moving the rew writ till Tuesday next; the law did
not require the decision respecting double returns before that
period ; therefore there was not the plea of urgency for the
present MU n.
Lord A LTIIOR P stated, that he should support the aim
tion for the issuing of the new writ, but he ha-geld it to be
undamped that be only spoke as an individual Member of
that House.

Sir CHA RLES WETHER ELL opposed the issuing of
the writ ; to adopt the contrary course, after the folios of
inquiry, would be a mast extraordinary proceeding. If they
were to shrink from inquiry. after all that had been declared,
and asked about the corruptions of Liverpool aed other
places, how could they justify their conduct to the public ?
Lord HO WICK thought the course which the gentle.
men opposite would pursue was unnecessary, since the re-
form Bill was to come so soon into operation. He would
support the motion for the issuing of the writ.
Sir GF.t MOE CLERK, in the hope that the mem-
ber for Wiltshire might be enabled, by some strange.
meat wi.h the Government, to bring forward his motion
early on Monday, would move that the debate be ad-
journed till Monday.
Lord J. RUSSELL, considering that there was asw
member for Liverpool, whose return was undisputed, that
the vacancy in question was accidental, and that a similar
NW Se had been adopted in cases where more blame at-
tubed to the electors ;considering that the great measure
M' reform would soon come into operation, he would support
doe motion for issuing the writ.
Mr. ROSS was fur waiting till the Member for Wilt.
Alter motion had come on. With respect to the reform
bill, it did not disfranchise the present treemen. and there.
fore did not affect the question.
Mr. WYNNE supported the amendment.
After a few words from Mr. EWk:RT and Mr. BEN.
NET, the house divided—
Ayes for the amendment
Noes against it