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London, England, 1822-02-28 00:00:00

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etaomeot at Mr. Flassa.
Mr. RICAIIDO Wad, ' that be felt grept Shim at Mt, whet
lb* Mord the Memos of /11100,000 biomes* abe Halo Saerotary
and his Hess'iriold_lauld ballad ibuustie that ble iim Mold'
, must be in error. Mt had since boo ossoliatode kwareirs OM
his Hno. Mead bad included the tedBo,ooo whim b 1111161,19?
t$ statement, ,and that it was the Has. Seesteaer'wlbol*
wrong in saying that ha bad apt.
Sir GEORGE CL IL that be must eawles4 that the
Non. Member, in oaks dit. he 1617; Int glade It•
se.5•3001000, and had mob pa Wawa. fir the st`Boo.oo3. He
remembered tlds the las% dhaa ii laad=zli stratigmed "
hla Mos. Petrad. ebe ! pep ash. , that the Bo&
Oaatleawas valid Wail thatmelsediso The lows if by
moot led him to take the steasliweeries et 4141..00.raater
5e5,900,000, for he was then teebeadieg as Wirt Sy .
of the present year, that they were larger thaw Moe al 1 ill 7s
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Mr. BROUGHAM, dismissing all conatoldies of w
passed on Friday night, said, what the Hoe. Sraotasy now cos.'
tended for was, that the Hon. Member for Abend'sa had gone
wrong to the amount of eleven millions. As'antedettla were in
• vogue, he might be permitted to tell what be had bond ait,
tering the House. He was told that an attempt had been
to prove an inaccuracy in the calculations of his Hon. Ft -
On asking-to what amount, he was told to the iumarat if ilea
millions. Hb answer to that was, what it abrouldle sow, that
the eleven minims proved too much, notwitimarding the cosm
plicated manner in which the accounts Win kept—(Hear)...a
Even under the disadvantage of our accounts, with all their ad.
gritted and alleged blunders, an error to the amount of dowel
millions was, he considered, absolutely and arithmetically ins:
possible. 'The subject, in fact, did not deserve inquiry ; but
they had inquired, and what turned out to be the fact? One
said—" I never meant to confine the eleven millions to the
building a? ships," and the other said," You did mean it." Hie
' lion. Friesid had enumerated various other items which he meant
to include, and his first reason. fur believing him was the add*
sion of his sincerity, made by the Hon. Secretary himself. The
mere virtue of sincerity was but a slender compliment to a calews
lator, but the admission was of great importance in the prel
ease, where so much must depend on the confidence to whichlus'
was entitled. Another reason which weighed with him was:alot !
be (Mr. firoughasn) theft held in his hand the very document oe
which the Hon. Member for Aberdeen had made his statement.
In that document those items were to be found which he (Mr. H.)
bad enumerated. The only other point was with respect tertian.
—The Hon.. Secretary (Mr. Croker) had stated that the Hon.
Member for Aberdeen meant only to take five years into ac-
count ; but his Hon. Friend bad said that he meant to take
- seven years. That he also believed, for the same paper stated
the items to be taken from 1815 to 1821. Since be came into
the House he bad read a newspaper report—(Order, order).—
Ile believed he was not in order ;.but in a certain document,
which he would not name for the world, a published paper,
a portion of recent history—( Loud laughing)—certainly within
the reach of his Majesty's Ministers, he saw a thing very like a
speech hi Parliament, though he knew it could not have been
such ; and if be were to hazard a comparison, he would say
that one part was very like a speech from the honourable Mem-
ber for Aberdeen ; and that a speech of the Honourable Secre-
tary (Mr. (tuber) was shadowed out in the other—(A laugh).—
In that document he found that the account was takes from the
conclusion of the war. Even one of these documents, which
was known not to be very partial to his lion. Friend, and in
which the historian bad burst into an exclamation, three titnes
repeated from Mr. Such-a-one, " If Le survives Friday night,
he is immortal !"—(Loughiag).—Even in that fragment of his-
tory. the statement of his Hun. Friend wrs corroborated. So
that his confidence was still unimpaired, whether with respect
to his honesty in stating a fact, or his accuracy in awaking a
clienlation. It was unfounded and absurd to say that his Hon.
Friend was in the situation of a person moving for a new trial,
judzinerA having passed against him on Fi Limy last. Great
credit was taken for a little slip which had been disproved,
but even if it had been proved, it never could assume the ha-
rortance which had been attached to it—(hear, hear).—
The lion. Secretary seemed to take great credit to himself for
having put an end to poor Mr. Such-none. Furmerly it was the
fashion to L: 'y down the opposseuts of Government, by stigma-
tizing them as Jacobins, enemies of order, and subverters of
peace and the basis of society. But here was an attempt to put
one down by stewing a defect in calculation. As often as his
lion. Friend came forward, he was exposed to an ordeal the
most severe; he (Mr. Hume) had no official ie.sistance, and, if be
succeeded, it must be by the strength of his position. There
wore many persons ready to detect and magnify any errors,who
would be backed by hundreds of throats in that House and in
the Offices—(Hear).—lle (Mr. Brougham) should therefore
continue his confidence; because his Hon. Friend, instead of
experiencing a failure, had signally triumphed, and be hoped !
that his Hon. Friend would still go on through good and evil I
report, thinking only of his country, and dreaming only of his
duty, and he would do more good to that country even that he
bad done already, great though that was—(Cheers). 1
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said he would not de-
tain the II • use more than a rhinute or two. The liotioarable
aid Learned Gentleman must have thought the Member for
Aberdeen in a dreadful situation, when he felt it necessary to
isbour so hard in his favour. lie would himself have appealed to
tile mercy of his Honourable Friend ( alr. Croker) if he thought
that his statement would have awakened such disnwbance in the
- camp—(a latigh).—Brooks's was in alarm, and the I lonoumbleand
e,,,,,na Gentleman had exhausted his gunpowder magazine in
averting the attack which had excited so much apprehension
—(llear).—He had often seen the troops of that camp defeat
'themselves upon former occasions, and he found it was so in the
present. He could not agree with them in thinking that the
Honourable Member's (Mr. Hume's) character was so cons.
pletely at issue as they appeared to assume. If their view of it
was correct, be (Mr. Ilume) never could skew his face again,
- nor receive the freedom of Corporations; he must even re-
nounce all the gold snuffboxes which he had received—(ti
laugh).—But while he denied that his (Mr. Fiume's) character
was an completely at issue upon this occasion, he should proceed
to shew why he could not assist in setting the Honourable Mem-
ber tan his legs, if his Honourable Friend (Mr. Croker) had suc-
ceeded In throwing him on his back. His advocates had at-
tempted to establish his figures at the expense of his argurneuts ;
but his arguments were good for nothing if his figures were cor-
rect—Wear, hear).
Mr. Hess and Mr. atone mutually explained.
Mr. W. SMITH said, he recollected the attempts that were
made it the beginning of last Session to put the Honourable
Dlember for Aberdeen down by every means short of insult.—
lie (Mr. Hume) vitas treated as a man who knew nothing of
calculations ; yet, in spite of every official snenr, he had fully suc-
ceeded in establishing the truth of his statements.
The House then divided—For Ministers, 122—Against, 78.
' )lajority al.—Adjourned at 0111 o'Clock.