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London, England, 1813-11-12 00:00:00

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HOVIVI Oli•LODS„. HerfAlMlttit. rt. • :
Their Lordships alit at about Touto'cloc4.
confirmed th'e records of the Appeakcauses
• upon yesterday. • ‘' • ~..
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The LORD S'ES*ARD (iail'eholmentlelei)t
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• edmmuniCitted the Answer of bus ROyal Hi tnetis tee
Prince Regent to the Addles! birihrit Muse,. .iilh-
tive to certsisi Official Doensosois.ooonected the
recent Negpciasions *tweet. hisaitiOny and zhe.
' Powers of the North. • "
Shortly after the Earl of LIVE•RPOOL. •hr, Pr'
'der of his Royal Highness"the Princelegent.. pre-
sented Copies of the twO Supplementary Conventions'
, between his Majesty's Government and those of Rte.
. gat and, Prussia, alluded to in the late Address, '
slyhich have-not hitherto been fernaally eigegd.
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. . The Loin) CHANCELLOR, adverting to. the
Standing Order, which required the Kendapie of
their Lordships on certain days from tee.o'clorklill
• four, for the *consideration and dispatch of jadicig
business, observed, that to•marrew. being the darap-
pointed for pricking for the" 'Sheriffs for the several•
• counties, his presence would indiipensahly be re-
quired in the Exchequer Chamber .at,twoceclock.; - •
•
• Mr. Justice Ga4HAsupresented atlhottar the £n.
nue) Report or the state of the convicts on the Alms&
,ataMeow4t, and at .P.xtsracioth.:.,Which':waii laid
• apt n the table.
TIME POE PUBLIC BUSINESS.,
The Earl of LIVERPOOL observing, that es.the
Standing Order of .the House required at least three
. time in the week the attendance of the Noble . and
Learned Lord on the Woolsack, a$ well as:of other
Noble Peers, from ten ''clock tillfnur, much incense.
Thence often, arose from the practice, which of late had
prevailed, of deferring the discussion of public busi-
ness until five o'clock, proposed as .a remedy for the
evil alluded' to, its being understood that some time
previous to the Christmas recess, 'the business of the
House should commence at half past four o'clock.
The Duke of NORFOLK said, it bad been his
intention. to suggest the very measure proposed by
the Noble Earl, and that be was glad to be so antici-
pated by the Noble Earl at the headof his Majesty's
Government. He should, however, think it fit to ex..,
cept from the new regulation, the instances of motions
of which Noble Lards should previously hive given
. the House due and regular notice.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL • acquiesced in the
propriety of the Noble Duke's distinction and creep-
tion, confining his view to the Ordinaryconrie of Ur, ,
Parliamentary proceedings.—Then:%Li/edit/go !Dentl
adjourned till to-morrow (thirster). *.r .4

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);:s.At WWl,' al4tierkenilia-leifeithig skthe allied atutyr
ti it lho'canenind;orefiltaii&at-donotar dii:'l%Greitiare, .s
Mao new to be mentioned. hi 1141'11min-41f this bottetty,•but
miill'initlihnenca of ends/Julie schniiitioneiwiseexer*s con-
Mlbuted much •to IftV *MO: you. flit OP the fetfeat 4116°
Wu:tire legions Into 'Nowa and all Europe his hiend of the skill
and braver" which you then rfj.splayed.--(lger, hosr).—A,
ens
if the proadiet Towards which an be conferred on valoui .
.alhliyi I do now, in the name and byytie ementrand Of.tiolllool.
Liars at-the linltedlrJamisto of Great hiltelnendirelengthe.
Ohm to unonitooqe.thanka for your nehievemenes spaii
#'betide - ..
, on eke lath Of J?lya 141.51. "rhea ii dead
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eriover the fbrcq of the enemy; and for yaw
great Airtime at -the bathe Of Vittoria, on the Slat of law '
where the tawny Nola satiate a signal detest frees tee tit*"
enders* commando( theidarnuli of Willtifiple-1(k40,
, Major-General ANSON expressed his sense ctf-the
High honour cdiferrekupon him, and atvibutedahst:
success of his efforts principally to:the.wise dispos
,dons and powerful genius of the great Officer Wade
;,esbom he acted.: -; - ;.".
' The SPEAKER then addressed-Lieutenant-I:line-
al Sir Thomas Picton to the following effect :
" Lieutenant-General Sir-Thomas Pieter, you have been long
since enrolled among those skilfut and brave Officers, by whom
.ffse military greatness of this country has been ralset•to its pre-
, switipmhisoce, and we rejoice this day to seeirou amongst nsi
*deans saw" qibute of thanks.—(lfear, h•ar).-4ty your sword,
L_ th e British "tops were led on to the vktilrious assault of Clihol-
1-11tedriby your daring band, the British standard wassigned
oh the Citadel of Badajoi. ' When the Usurper of tie Spanish
Throne made his last effbrt at Vittoria, your hattaliceis were fore-
most in the engagement—his troops tied from them with- terror
and dismay. And, by your valour, the enemy was frustrated in
his desperate attempt to break through the ban* of the Pyren-
flees, and to raise the siege of Patuplona.—(Ther Ass,.).-43aving-
thus reaped a double harvest of glory in one year, you now eyes
forward to relative our thanks ; and 1 do now, lo the name, led
by the command of the Commoos of the United Kingdom of
Great Britain and Ireland, deliver to you their unanimous thanks,
for your great exertions, on the' 21st 'of Juni list, at Vittoria,
!lbw* French army was defeated by the fiteetnnder the 'dm.'
,tpind,,otthe Marquis of Wchingtiur. 'And for the valour an
- . 0, j , steadiness which you displayed,, in repelling the repeated attacks
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. . .. , 'made on the British. positions, by the aris!y under Marshal Souk,
• HOUSE Of commoNs. - *- ',7i :. •
betWien tbe*S6th July, and the Ist of August la;t."—.(lfear,kgar),
• • The ,Reportuf the Committee of-Supply was,broigiitiip, aid ,
PICTON, Whose' f etlinkileemed povier--
ordered to be relerratio kCommittse. Of. -the whole Heald, to- General
morrow, • - 'N • -•- • •) fully impretiseds ty, the Speaker's/IR/Mien, in a few
'The order of 'the day for considering the Local TokeitAidMlii' WPrd&-Priereseekhis vase .of the 'high honiter con
then moved. The Bill wrier read ese vad.qits• la MOT to be terra oit-lsbn .
of Co
regarded . the -Thanks-
committed to.morreer. • '' " • . ' -01111 n house . commons as 'one Af.. ths greatest re-..
Mr: KENRICK movk for leave-to Ilti4 hi ii BOAS repeal I *aids iilSrititill diniter ciisltl:ieetve, ti
ituinb., LA Clauses in Acts Misting to the oar in wattien. cows..., . , ... - . • • • . . , ..t t, 1,..,•14g",
. ties, aud to sibstitute ut:sers lac thrills NEW MILITARY 41;44141pEnt NT:-,
Mr. Serjeant ONSLOW expressed his objectioukto.the •Bill, • . 1.
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b.is
as sums,stii.l unjust its its tendency Lbrti eAtLER tkaii, in rising te propose. •
• .-- plan ftir the neWarringenkini in lbe.Armr, saidise
INSOLVENT PEBTORS.- • . • , should not dwell Upon the exPediencyrat the ptesikst
Sir SAMUEL ROMlLLY:presented a Petition moment, of giving every possibk efiTtienEy to the
from the Insolvent Debtors, .complaining ofdelay in disposable force of the,cduntry. Onahat'sehject there
the execution of the Act passed last Session. As,' Was but one sentiment in. every pact of the, Hgalii
however, the Petition contained an imputation on a* !for shotild he do justice. to the strength an 4 pre*--
Learned and respectable- friend of hii, (Mr. Serjeant fence of this sentiment, if he Were not to
state hi#
Palmer, the Commissioner-Under the. Act,) who not conviction.that it was•the wishof eierriadividual in
having a seat in that Houle, could not have an op- the House and in the kingdom to use everjr-etertiLn 1
portunity of repelling the charge where it was , for securing the permanent honour tand.,interests of
brought, he should only move that the Petition do lie the country, consistently with the necessarrlimitsaif
upon the table. • .-F-.,' . ! - our military and political resources. His object -
Mr. RILEY ADDINGTON said, that from the wquld not therefore be to recommend exertion, but
delay which had taken place in the execution of the to consider *hat direction it would beanost advisable
Act, it should seem that blame must attach in one I to give to that exertion, in order to make it most
quarter or another. An idea had indeed gone abroad,, effectual; and to strike a fair balance between the
that some degree of biame_was attributable to a No- -advantages and disadvantages of the dffferent degrees
ble relative Of his (Lord Sidmouth); but he was and modes of operation which oar eirctiMstantes
ready to prove and to demonstrate, that every effort placed within our reach. In this view, then, he wits
had been used by that noble person, in his official ea- not about to call upon the House to make any great
pacity, to expedite and give efficiency to the Act.-- or unnatural effort ; .or to call upon the country for
-I'here had, however, been considerable difficulty in any sacrifices kreater than were made by the other
selecting a person fully competent to the discharge of states of Europe;—all that he wished was to utge
the otlice of Commissioner, and that difficulty had them to use proportionable- efforts, and to submit to
been increased by the extraoriiinary omission in the equal -sacrifices in support of the cCOninon cause, and
Act of any specific salary to the person undertaking for the purpose of giving a happy and glorious result
the office. . to that sentiment which now animated the great
Mr. Alderman SMITH thought the delay a very , confederacy of Europe, to check the ambition, and
hard case for the debtors, and did not see why some limit the power, without tarnishing the honour of
fit person should not be appointed to assist for the France. The assistance of Great Britain might be
quicker dispatch of business. It was a singularity in more effectually employee for this purpose, fry in-
ibis Act, that it had passed without fixing any salary directly aiding the Allies by our 'resources, than by'
for the Judge. It was not therefore to be expected I immediate and partial efforts of our own. 'He relied
that the appointment would be so immediately made, i the more confidently on the propriety of this line
Mr. KENRICK said, that the idea had been that I of policy, because he was satisfied that it was owing
, to the continued firmness and moderation of our
the. salary should not be fixed beforehand.. but should
be left. to depend on the nature and extent of the du- ! counsels that Europe was in its present state.--.
ties whicil the execution of the office was found to I It had been restored from the humiliation and ruin
1 which overwhelmed it, to a proud height
.of. ho-
involve, He thought it would have been .an impor-
tant addition to the Act itself, if it had abolished the 1 nour and independence, by the prudence, not less
Itules of the King's Bench, so far at least all to pre. than by the magnificence of our exertions.---,--
vent debtors from living in a style of the utmost luau- ' It was this wise and long-sighted' forbearance.-this
ry and extravagance, on property which did not really determination not to push our efforts beyond ourrre-
belong to them, but was unjustly withheld from their sources, that had given an increasing ;nitwits, and ma-
creditors. . li mmlum to them ; whereas by a premature' and incon-
Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY also stated, that the 1 siderate waste of strength, the *spring of national
spirit would have been broken down, and our career
omission in the Act of the mention of a salary was' arrested in its
.progitss. But now, when all
.the
not owing to neglect or oversight, but because ;
.world was making one great effort for its redemption,
the duties themselves of the new office being sneer- lit became-the spirit of this country to take parta
tain, it-was thought advisable to let the salary remain . proud part in it—not to overstrain or exhaust itself,
$ subject of future regulation.
but not to shrink back in the•decisive moment, nor to
.
The 4.1.-roRNEY-GENERAL observed, that I suffer all the advantages and the glory which had
Sergeant Palmer was- one of•his oldest professional been gained to be lost by a deficiency of cordial co-
% friends, ;dulls* was molten', from all lie knew of! operation on the part of Great Britain. We stood
hini, th it ;he consideration of salary would nut have now in the situation of having obtained all the ob.
Interposed one quiour of an hour's delay in the ere- jells originally proposed by the war, even beyond
cution of the Act.
the most sanguine expectation. The independen&
The. CHANCEI4I,4I. pf the EXCHEQUER of the Peninsula had been placed upon a firm basis.
. Oil; that it- was fusty undeietood that Goverainent , In the former campaigns, the success of tie Br tish
ebnld not be responsible for the payment of an ache_ , arms under I,ord Wellington has been great and brit-
qUate salary, till the amount was determined- and . liant ; but now that his victories were as numerous as
made good by Parliament, the battles which he fought—that he had no longer
The Petition was then ordered to lie On. the table, any occasion to IDA back to the impregneble lines of
• several private Rills wgro Oen brought up. Torres Vedras as a last resource ; pow tttitt his ;teat

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to' reap the fruits of Wieftillilivhtch' were put into mar
hands i He did" not Mtrint,leaiii think thV.htihad
Mid, th insinuate a'rvialitilit we shoulfeYpiase'ivb4t
we gained. trettnnecesseiyi hazard; 'or blanch. iliti It'
' sphere- ivbicli.a.liik,itietter ' oeittitied-..11Y Ogiittilikts
without exAues**.ltitieself ' por3'
.partjawoz," lip
Might be a%sired-to,.seryi. that -them were points .
lbe utmost coniequence M. this etrisom._!lotfl Its llt
-Sim inercial and-political i iir", 'wlierep is cot 1g: f qtr.
;Or!? A 0.400 men, so.-oFerating with.oormatitijlle
L' ' ,Attight turn the ttdi of success in our fas*ope.
e aftiOk think there could be any hesitation whete
istret?
'a force. wotild.make the- whole difference, wire.
iach
rlt bid and *useful Ally. ShoUld be reisened„,froit
• - • ills of the enemy, or left dertuded of all,suppOrt.
.a‘utittlietifOre recommend unlimlted.tuereaseld
- -', bdrititigated inereasedexertion, that is, ..
le:tease of exertion proportioned to the importance . ..
it)le end, aintreoirsisient with thsi extent of our means
tut onthis pilriciplehe-`trould rest'the merits of the;
IlaO whidi.lie ,vias'aboorto submit to the Hionsp,....
,'Witb "t to ' die' 14 *4ll. the army, .all the:
'Vali& eitaltediiini the existing system Which
had ' froni k. r' It Wes gratifying to hint.
bailted
to_ lA.abli 'state that such* had been the ineans
planelin the bands of Ghiernment in recruiting the
'army, and so little had bgn the waste made 4 hitman
IA; that both the Regular Army and the Militia re-
mained at as high a point of ritimerical force*as ever,
itt spite of all the exertions We have made, and' cer-
tainly no nation Over did push its exertions abroad, in
proportion to its physical strength, farther than we
kid done in the last years ofthe war. It reflected the
highest credit on the illustrious individual at the head
of the War Department, that such was the attention
.paid to the health and discipline of the army; that in,
chiding: the whole of our. troops; Colonial' and Euro.
peen, oar loss yearly did not exceedorte.7th or. Bth ;
'tat is, in 230,000 troops, the general amount of ca.
sulfides, not only of deaths,but discharges, desertions,
:Sta.-did not exceed 25,000, though the:neutral waste
an army was generally one-tenth or one-ttvelftb,
even in 'tithes of profound peace. NotWithstariding
e tan.guiniri-acticifis and assaults which had taken
place in the last year, our total loss was not, as far. as
'trould -be collected, more thin 30,000 men, The_
present mode of recruiting the Regular Aryl', inde-
pendently -of any extraordinary exertions; Iszatliil. be
suffieient to maintain it in its present tiilmberis4fie'did
'not -think th: shpplies 11-o'm the Militia. wotilrspati:-..
nue the sate, or • that we could reason prospeCtiielr
upon thrspere of the subject, from the results of:past
experience. Sui. the plan which he should now pro.
eeed to lay Before the House went upon the supposi.
don of qir being possibly called upon for extr.tordi7
nary ailkions, either on the side of the Peninsula; y
in airl Of-the Allies, in any' critical emergency. i
which our assistance might be necessary to bring the
great, cause in which we had hitherto so A obly per..
severed, to a prosperous ;:nd decisive issue. In what.
sitaiation,continued the Noble Lord, would the coun-
try now have been placed if the militia had not lent
themselves to the exertions which Parliament front
time- ttitime called on them to make? Since-the year
1805, when Government first called on the House to
allow the Militia to enter into the line, they had con.
tributeslil*hiu 250 men of 100,000 to the disposable
t_pl;c af,tlif ctuntry. If this measure of rendering-the
Ifilitia`a iipaiivito the regular army had not taken
place, if theroid peejudices, with respect to that deseripi
don of force,hatlteemstill kept up, and they had beet;
prevented froM entering the regular army, this court:
try would not now possess the military character
.which .it had Acquired. -We might have kept opt
our colonial.policy, and made those exertions which]
were witnessed in former wars; but we could nod
have kept possostion of Portugal, or have sent.
foices to co-operate in the deliverance of the Pen-
insula at large, and to take up that menacing.
position on the frontiers of France, which our army
now occupied. We should have been shut up-
within the bounds of ~our insular polity, and we
could not have set that glorious example to other ne..
tions, or borne our share In the general exertions,
which have been made for the deliverance of Europe.
Parliament ought always,' therefore, to bear in recol-
lection, that it is to the Militia we owe the character.
..wf at present enjoy in :military Europe ; and that'
without the Militia, we could not have ihewn that face
arlifch'we have done in the Peninsula. He wished it
to be understood; that in what he had to propoie it
,vmenothis intention to transgress ago beyond those
great principles which alight to be held sacred with
respect to the, ilitia. kXe had never been-one of those
who considered that cher were any.principles in the
constitution of the Militia which rendered that force
inapplicable to the gel erils 'service Of the country,.
provided neither officers Got isten wee broken in upon
-either directly or indirectly: .-The Militia might be.
broken in upon direstlyiby ilaus and they might be.
broken in upon indirect/y.in,e manner not less unbe-
coming; and any alternative which, though not com-
pulsory on them, it might be 'painful to their own feel.
nip to refuse, was very different from the mode of
treatment merited by Abet-respectable body. The
most complete freedom of choice ought, therefore, in
Ids Opinion, to *be preserved.: But he never thought
there was any thing in the Militia which rendered
thezii unfit for generll seitice. They had' supplied an
assistance of not less than-100,000 Men to- the irrdrY,
and the, success of the whole contest had-hinged on the
exertions which this reinforcement enabled us to make.
If the Militia principles were in any respects changed,'
they were changed for the better ; and at no period,
he would venture so say, 'were the militia of this
country either more numerous, more highly disci-
• lined, or more capable of performing their proper
function, that is of occupying a middle station be-
tween the Local Militia and the standing army, than
they were at the present moment. He wished, there-
'fore, the House to understand that there Wail in cOn-
templation no attempt to encroach on the constitution,
of the klilida. No person would
.wish • the Militia
to-105k up the.service of apy man who would rather
serve ra another description of force. The truenit:
Henry Obiliatophy was-to give the greatest' possible frt.'
cility to individual exertion, that it might. find it's
proper levei. Men were actuated by various Ino-

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