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.• Cads** ; but hp was 'tile Pei", aitglaikk al is *kik alitTiiitdelei•_
, where the whole if his coo. ilse Right ffileritkinirm deal
it„observation. That was am , waif of
Hill
that the Mete et 1... a. Ltd am.
reconcile. He believed more 1 anted a Bill relatieties
.e..Ceshefie peur.7,rijoilliu ra ,
• Catholics out of, than in . highest rank in iht Arley mod Nirey_to &missed .:rif;
tion of the armed foie* or -do haye'accees to the
question referred only to closet of his tioversign—emerlile he aging ms,.
i to the House of Lords, sass such power, exclude hinotrons 'a seat is that Amok*, dde
the measure. But if that of the objects of which was to cheek, to seintrool, and to keep
as of Commoners to that down, the pride and ambition et great and powerful sohjoere.— .
religions might be equally ad- (Hear).—lt had been strewn that the present -measure wao sot
innovation, but restoradom—that it was grandee back privileges
measure in its fullest ex- which had been taken away unjustly. and that even the alleged
of Ireland. Though be causes had long dace ceased to exist; but though it was said
measure, be saw no reason why that the same causes which produced those disabilities did net
- branch of it. As the other now exist, other causes might, which would be equally cos-
' might be expedient to chuive. He would admit this reasoning; but let the other Mae
approve. He denied that be skews. At the Revolution, tbe'3oth of Charles the Second
were excluded. The Hon. was continued, from causes of danger from abroad. and the dis-
` said that there would be, content of a large party at berme; but that cast no der on the
J the House of Lords, no- Revolution. Now let hk Right Honourable Friend point out
. marrying a Catholic Queen. The the existence of any one of the same dangers. " I depot," ma.
caws were very , _ oecause the few Catholic Peers in tinued the Right Honourable Gentleman," tali ray Right
the House of Lords were to be tempered by three or 400 Pro- Honourable Friend to drew the existence of a suceessor;
testate Peers. He saw no necessity for the Bill being loaded Ido not require of him to produce a King taking the sacrament
With securities He was favounbk to any concession to the according to the Catholic mode one day, and the Protestant the
Catholics, however small, even if it were only to allow them to next; Ido not insist on his pointing out an exiled Monarch in a
act 25 Alagietratex or Sheriffs. foreign land, aided by foreign Powers, planning the invasion of
Air. 11. M A RTI N began by complimenting the Hon. Mem- the country ; but I think I have a right to callupon him to show
ter for Oxford (Mr. Wetherell) for the intrepid manner in me some little danger to justify his opposition cothis measure.
which he had defended the cause he had espoused. lie looked Ido not insist upon his searching history, buehis own imegina-
%quo him as one of the lioriestii—( Laughter). He looked upon
tion, which is less likely to fail him, for some little scantling—
him a, only one of the Hori.eztii—( Much laughter—some klem- (Hear, and a laugh); and if he will show me that as arising from
hers intimated to Mr. Martin that he had mispronounced the my plan, I give him my word I will sit down and withdraw this
word). If he had mispronounced it, he was sorry for it, but it lidi —(Hear, hear). On the subject of securities, it was not to
was no: his fault—(ilear and laughter). Ile was not surprised be expected from him, that he should provide those securities,
4 tin success that bad attended the proposition of the Right since the House of Lords had thrown them completely over;
Hoe .%lember for Liverpool : the gigantic powers of his elo- when they passed the Army and Navy Bill. The Right lion,
quence, and the force of his reasoning, must of course produce a Gentleman might complain. that other securities were not an.
-rear effect upon the opinions of Ilembers. Deprived of that nexed to this Bill. He (Mr. Canning) would say, that the con-
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.upporr, it would not have succeeded. But he had no doubt that tents of this Bill did not require these securities. He would ask
the measure-would be successful in that House, well warranted whether the events which had taken place in Europe since 1812
as it was by facts, and strongly enforced as it would be by the had nut placed this country in a different situation from that in
Hight lion. Gentlernan—(llear, hear). _ which it stood before? lit'ere we now to be more completely
Mr. PEEL said, he rose to remove misconceptions and to cor- insulated in our policy than at any former period? Ought it not
stet mistakes it, his former statements upon this subject. Sir to he taken into consideration, that at the great Congress of
William Illeckstone had often been quoted on the other side, but Vienna an Act was adopted, by which it was agreed that in all
if sire William Blackstone were to be called up from the dead, the States over which the Congress could exercise controul, ro-
be (Mr. Peel) would quote his first book to him to prove that ligious difference should create no distinction as to civil or psi.
Roman Catholics ought to be excluded from offices—(Hear). tical rights. He had been told that his law was little and sheet,
—This was a partial view of the sehject, but it appeared to and effected its purpose with irrelevant dimensions—(A isnsit)e
Win to embrace the whole question. It was impossible for him —But here was the Congress of Vienna altering the whole policy'
to anticipate the grounds on which the general question might of Europe, over an extent of territory comprising from forty-five
be brought forward next year. and therefore he could not relax to fifty millions of Inhabitants. This great measure was accosts-
his opposition to the principle of the measure merely because the plished by the single stroke of a pen. It should he recollected,
vt,sole was tint at once brought forward. The present measure that England was a party to the arrangements of the Congress,
was, pre tante, a repeal of all the laws which imposed disabilities and that Hanover was one of the States that were affected by
upon the Roman Catholics. In proportion, therefore, as it might them. Hanover might have Catholic Ministers and Catholic
be calculated mite successful, did be deprecate the partiality of Senators, but nut so England. At this moment he understood
this neeasure--( tear, hear). He did not vote against this inea- the President of one of the Chambers of the kingdom of Ha-
sure merely because it was partial. There were measures con- nover was a Catholic. When it appeared that the spirit of libo-
nectcd with the question fur which he woul3 have voted. Ile rality was diffusing itself through the Continent, was it necessary
would, for ins:aace, have the English Roman Catholic Peers that England alone should retain her Insulated policy with reg
placed on the same footing with the Irish Roman Catholic Peers. to religion? It was often said that England was the only costae
Rut this measure he objected ro, as being specific, and partial in try in which the slave became free upon setting his foot upon die
its operation, and steerel in its principle—(llear, hear). The soil. Should it also be said that it was the only country in which
question was. wketh..r the Peers could sit in Parliament without disqualifications prevailed founded on religious difference? The
taking that oath which all Commoners were obliged to take? grounds upon which he tested his measures were, that the danger
If they now dispensed with securities, they never could again which existed, first ft mu the date of the Reformation to the time
7c-quirt them with equal forec—(ilear, hear). If, then, this was of Charles 11. and, secondly, from the time of Charles IL to the
Bill which was to effect without securities that for which se- Revolution, and which formed a justification for the Statutes
anrities had formed/ been offered,haw was he to learn the ground which had been framed against the Catholics, had now died away.
ca which the general measure was to be conceded with safety ? Our ancestors, in the unsettled circumstances of the times, took
Quo teneam vultus mwantein , rmea undo? the laws as they found them. Good Goo ! how different was
Viebt it nut neat year be said, why did you admit six Peers 'the situation of the' ountry now, from that in which it stood at
without restrictions, while you ask for such restrictions on us those periods to which the opponents of the Catholics were fond
Csountoners?—(Hear).—ln point of fact this was a Bill to relieve of referring for arguments against them. For about 100 years
the I ern from the Oath of Supremacy. Last year another Oath after the Reformation, the Catholic and Protestant parties were
of Sepremaey, so enamoured were they of Oaths of Supremacy combating on this soil; it might be said that a struggle was
—(.i laugh)—had been engrussed with the Bill .of Relief to going on so see which should wed the State, and make her ex-
Eeriest. Csiholics: but this year all securities were to be evaded. elusively its own: but the time of combat was passed, the Ca-
-By se Is-fence to the Bill of Rights, it would be found that it tholics tendered a willing submission.
found a declaration of the Commons for ever against such a " -- Vicisti, et victual tender* palmas
reassure as the present. The Ilsuse would not pees, 'in favour " Ausonli videre : tea est Lavinia conjux.
oi the Peers, a measure which they had never attempted in a " Ulterius ne tende edits."
Duce eittheise form. It was not upon consideration a priori " You," said the Catholics, " have wedded the State ;we no
that restrictive laws had been passed, but from the experience longer pretend to be rivals; we wish to be united with you ins
of oast years. It was nut, therefore, to be argued now, that friendship; we are willing to live quietly under your reign; we
because the same dangers did not exist, the same precautions call upon you to deal out an equal measure of justice and mercy
were not necessary—(hear, hear).—He opposed this question, towards us."---(Cheers).—.-His Right Hon. Friend argued a
therefore-Ist, because it Is dto the general measure ; od, because question of peace In the spirit of conflict —(Loud cheers).—The
it was infinitely less acceptable than a full concession ; 3d, because question of rivalry had been decided. The Protestant religion
it prejueiced the general question, and granted,witbout security, and the Constitution were inseparably united; and all that he
that which had been always thought to require security; and, 4thly, asked was, that the subdued party might be allowed to partici-
because it was opposed to the general character and spirit of our Pare in the enjoyment of that happiness which was to be obtained
laws. All that the I louse would do by refusing the present Bill, by living under the Constitution of this country, and partici-
w raid Le only delaying the discussion of the same point, embodied Patios in its privileges—(Loud cheers):
is the general meaeure for four or five months. It would be im- The cries of" Question" here became general, and the Gallery
fok•ible to look at thL.,delay of four months as prejudicial to the was cleared for a division.
neeeure—(Cheers from some Members on the Opposition side). The numbers upon the division wore—
Ile understood those cheers, and he assured those Members that For the Bill, 235—Against it, 22.1—Majority, 12.
he did not wish to state anything unfairly ; for his own part, he The House adjourned at One o'Clock.
did not think that the question would be more favourably met by
the delay. In conclusion, the Right Hon. Gentleman implored
the douse ton to sacrifice their consistency by an adoption of this
partial measure ; not to give up what he considered their duty to
the Commons of England—(Loud cheers from both sides).
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY would admit that the
great tendency in the disposition of the country was to view this
tubj.at with less of alarm and with more favourable sentiments
than on former occasions; but still lie was not disposed, nor did
he think it would be politic, to press that disposition too much.
In the Bill before the House, the grounds of the discussion were
very much narrowed; a variety of topics, connected with the
Lcceral proposition, were necessarily omitted, as having no bear-
ing un this part. In the general discussion he had always rested
:he enterion by which the question, not of admission, but of
eigi tility to office of Roman Catholics should be tried, on this—
W letter there was that reasonable fear of danger to the State
which would render this eligibility impolitic? With respect to
the question of securities, on which his Right Hon. Friend (Mr.
Peel) rested, he would say, that his (Lord Londonderry's) were
the same es formerly—for be did not see why the Roman Ca-
tholes should not emaciate themselves to the State as well as
ether classes of his Majesty's subjects ; but he would modify
those securities in such a manner, so as that while they afforded
th.it guarantee which he was satisfied the Roman Catholics
themseives were fully disposed to give to the State, they would
erev.en the measure from having the appearance of severity. But
.hen. said his Right Honourable Friend (Mr. Peel), " you have ,
e'.vs eup the oeth of supremacy by this Bill." Ile (Lord Lon-
-:.omierry) apprehended, that if his Right lion. Friend would he
satisfied with an oath of supremacy, the Bill might be easily
so modified as to ensure his support—(llear, hear, hear!).—
The Roman Catholic did not object to the oath, and the only
difference which existed at all on the subject, was as to the sense
in which the word " spiritual" was to he understood ; for as to
the temporal power, there was no Roman Catholic of any edu-
cation who would make objections more than a Protestant. As
to the ground of the acquisition of power by the Roman Catho-
lics, there was no real cause of fear. The utmost that could be
expected from the general emancipation would be the return to
that Ilonse of perhaps eight or nine Catholic Members, and the
tower which they had is this country was pretty well known.
ire viewed the leaving open this question as a matter not so
'much of dangt r as of embarrassment to the country ; and, with
that view, he should wish to see the question at rest.
Mr. CANNING begged to remove any misconception which
tight have been entertained, that he thought his Right Hon.
Friend (Mr. Peel) had met the question unfairly, since he had
Lever encountered a fairer adversary. The Bight Hon. Gen-
tleman then took a retrospective view of the various discussions
which had taken place in Parliament on the Catholic question
since the year 1812. He adverted to the partial, though highly
important, concessions which bad been made since 1813—the
opening of the Army and Navy to the Roman Catholics—a mea-.
, Etre nating in the House of Lords ; and it should not be
forgotten, that the danger of opening the Army and Navy to
Catholics was urged as one of the strongest arguments against
concession. Yet such was the effect on partial discussion, that
this was carried, which would have been rejected if thrown into ,
the general measure. He then contended, that the disabilities ,
thus removed, almost without discussion, were far more im-
portant than those which he sought. The measure before the
House was not complicated. Its bearings could he seen at a
glance. It went not to innovate, but to restore rights which had
existed b fore—to remove from the injured posterity the disabi-
htit s which were entailed on them by the injustice done towards
their ancestors. 'lbis was not touching on the privileges of

MEETING AT THE SOUTH SEA HOUSE.

A very full Meeting of the Proprietors of South Sea Stock
took place yesterday, at the South Sea House, for the purpose
of considering the propriety of contracting to supply Govern-
ment with the funds, during the ensuing 4.5 years, for paying
the Army and Navy Pensions.
Mr. BOSANQUET, the Governor, took the chair at one o'clock,
and stated the plan proposed, as detailed in the STAR of yester-
daf ; be said the Directors felt themselves incompetent to pro-
pose any Resolution, and wished the decision of the matter to
be left wholly to the Proprietors. He should of course abstain
at present from entering into the wisdom or expediency of the
plan proposed by Government. With respect to the South Sea
Company Act, its transactions had been financial (with a very
few exceptions), and therefore the entertainment of this plan was
not at ail inconsistent with its views. He then read a Resolu-
tion which he had drawn up with the intention of asking some
Proprietor to move it. It was as follows—
" That the South Sea Company are ready to undertake, upon
adequate conditions, the payment specified in the paper delivered
by the Earl of Liverpool at the Treasury, on the 7th inst. for the
purposes stated in the Resolutions of the House of Commons;
and that the Directors of this Court be empowered to treat with
the Government accordingly."
This Resolution, with some others proposed by the Chair-
man, founded on the outline already published, were adopted,
when Mr. DODD moved that the Meeting do adjourn till Mon-
day, and that a book be immediately opened to receive subscrip-
tions. This was ordered, and the Meeting adjourned.

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Navy had Ow been opened- to the Ca
luded from a seat in that Haase, who
act w... fable to the most vigilascobse
nem.,:y which he ono vosbie to moos
aniz r was to be apprehended from the I
ornament.
4TES PEEL said, that if the q
e admiiston of a kw Catholic Peen I
err might not be much objection to the
as to be followed by the admiisioa
louse, then the professors of all religioi
*tted to that House.
Mr. W. WYNN observed, that the o
nt was necessary for the tranquillity o
as an advocate for the whole measure,
e should not support a particular brace
louse had rejected the whole Dill, it
ry what particular parts they might api
ny other Sect but the Catholics even
Member for Oxford (Wetherell) had sa
fter the introduction of Catholics into tl
Thing to hinder the King from marrying
cases were very difkrent; because the