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another place, but as a means of rupporting the
dignity of the Peerage to which he had been railed,
hot only on account of his great merits, but for the
fetvice and affiftance he could render as a Law
Lord. Lord Afhburton was then looked up to by
every body as the fitteff fucceffor to Lord Mansfield
as Chief Jultice of the King's Bench, which is the
higheit objeCt of legal ambition. His Majefly had
been arlaiied to confer the Peerage upon him, and
that he fhould nor want Initable means of fupport
jog, its dignity, until the Chief jufficefhip thould
he vacant, this place was conferred upon him.
This was a cafe which, he conceived, was totally dif-
ferent from the prefent. If thelalary of the Chancel-
lor of the Exchequer was not fufficient, it might be
recolleCted, that there were a great number of other
'Aces which might be given as a reward for ferrices,
viben.chofe fervices fh• old have been actually per-
fotmed, but he obleCled to the giving away the means
of rewarding great lervices, merely to induce perfons
to become Members of on Adminiff ration. He con-
lidered that it was a moll ferious and unconflitutirinat
attack on the molt important prerogatives of the
Crown, to deprive it of all power and means
,of re-.
...Yarding great public ferviees., by taking the bell
places and gifts that it was in the power of the Crown
to beftow before any, of thole Cervices had been per-
formeki. He thought that the Crown ought not to
have beewadvi fed to limit its powers and prerogatives
in this manner. Upon the fubjeCt of the alienation of
Crown lands, it had been always obfervedt that in
whatever proportion the Crown gave away to indivi-
duals its poreflions and its tight, in that proportion
it became weaker, and it was the fame with refpeEt
to the lucrative offices. If they were all given away
direCtly or in rever lion to one fct of Minillers, the
Crown left itfeif without that patronage and power
of rewarding great fereices, which it ought topoffefs.
A recent and very remarkable cafe had occurred
Tome years ago in corroboration of this opinion. On
an arrangement that was then propofed, this very
place was offered to Lord Sidmouth, who had ren-
dered confiderable fervices in hisftong and meritotious
olifcharge of his ditties as Speaker. Lord Sidmouth.
declined it, and Paid he could not bring himfelf to be
the inflrurnent of alienating from the Crown the
means of rewarding greater public fervices than he
had been as yet able to perform. It was not as a
tellimony in favour of Lord Sidmouth that he men-
tioned this, for the Noble Lord required no loch
teflimony of his difinteretted conduCt ; but he men.
tionedit me) el' for the information of thofe Members
who were not previoully acquainted with the circum
itance. The princit-le upon which Lord Sidmouth',
refuted it, applied with much greater ffrength to the•
indent cafe ; befides it was known, that there was a
Committee of the Houle now conffituted, for the
exprefs porpofe of corifidering what ufelefs and fine.
cure offices might he aboliffied ; and as it was poffible
th4t the Committee might confider this to be among
the number, he thought that it fhould not be thus
difpofed of, in a manner contrary to all ufage, before
the opinion of the Committee was pronounced upon it.
Mr. STURGES BOURNE declared his furprize
at the prefent motion, which he could not but confider I ,
as perfonally direCted againff the Right Hon. Gentle-
man, who might have juflly afpired to more honour-
able and lucrative fituations, and who certainly facri.
ficed far mote in his profeffional purfuits than the ,
income of Chancellor of the Exchequer. It was to
be recollected that the income of this place did not
come from the public creatures; but if is were fop.
preffed, the income of it would fink lutes his Majetty's
privy purfe. lf, then, the Gentlemen on the other
fide would have no objeEtion to an augmentation of
the falary of Chancellor of the Exchequer out of the
public put fe, he did not fee that they had any right
to object to the deficiency of cornpetifation being
made up by a place which belonged entirely to
his Majetty. As to the difintereflednefs of the late
administration, he did not underhand that they had
opportunity of granting more than three reverfions,
and two of them were granted (No, no, from the other
fie). He undera ood, that the Lord Chancellor's
clerk had two places in reverfion. The place of
Chancellor of the Exchequer was worth, as he believed,
from zoool. to 250o1.; and that of the Duchy of
Lancatler was wroth 20001. He concluded by ex.
preffing his affonithment that another Noble Lord
(Howick) (tumid think to-morrow was the proper
time for making the explanation of which he had
given notice, as it was impoffible that any one of the
Ilinillers could then be in the Houle, and there would
he noriody at all acquainted with the fubjeet, except
himfelf and his particular friends.
Mr..SHARPE did not with to addicts any tl ing
petfonal to the Right Honourable Gentleman who
was the fieojeCt of the motion ; and yet he could not
conceal his Itirprife, when it was [laced that the cafe
of Lord Afhburton was p: ecifely fimilar to the pre-
fent. He could not conceive the facrifices made by
the Right Honourable Gentleman as at all equal to
thole made by Lord Athburton, who, before he ac-
e copied the Peerage, was decidedly at the head of his
Frofeffion, and derived the higheft emolument from
it. It had been his lituation to have been often called
as a juryman in the Court where the Right Honoura-
ble Gentleman (Mr. Perceval) praaited, and it was
very feldom his fortune to be enlightened with any
obtervatioos falling from him. Great as his merit
might be, he believed it was very little known until
be got a lucrative Office under the Crown. He con-
ceived the Houle would, upon this motion (of which
woke had been given Litt night) attain a double
so.j:Ct. In the fiat place, they o ould fade the public
I ;one), ; and, fecondly, they worild fee what the in-
t. ntions of the New Miniilers were, if not flopped by
their decifion.
Mr. MONTAGUE foid, that Mr. Perceval not
only facrificed his bufinefs, which was more than the
falary of the Chancellor of the exchequer, but he
'rave up Ins undoubted pretenfians to the situation
r.f. Attorney Genet al, which was worth eight or ten
thoufand a year. That there were great facrifices he
would Inbmit to every fair man ip the lignite—bur
he would not fuboiit it to the Gentlemen on the other
fide, whom he did not confider fair men upon this
lubjeCt.—(4 loud cry of Order, Order !)—He apolo-
riled if he had helm out of order, but again appealed
to every independent Member of the Houle, and not
to the Gentlemen on the other tide—(fecorol 111em3ers
r:fe to /peak to Oar!)—He explained himfelf by
ho ing that he meant by independent Members thole
whohadneither places, nor wet c candidates for places.
lie perceived tome Gentlemen Imiling, but they
vould find it carter to deride him than bo anfa er him.

Mr. H. THORNTON could not Rive his vote on,
this occation, without requelling to be indulged in a'
few words to qualify it. No man entertained
higher opinion of the Right Hon. Gentleman, who
was the fubjea of the prefent debate, than he did,
and therefore, in Commuting the prefent quellion, he
withal to be confidered merely as giving a declaratory
vote up in general principles, than as intending any
oppolition to the arrangement made: he voted merely
upon A dry abfiraCt principle 4nd not at all hem party
motives. It was his opinion, that places ufually held
under the Crown during pleafure, ought not to be
granted for life. Whether as a member of the
Committee of Finance, and having breathed In long
in the air of that Committee, he came down to the
Houle now to give his vote with greater Rrianefs
than ordinarily, he would not pretend to determine ;
but his vote was certainly, the refult of his conviaion
upon the fubjedt.
Mr. JOHNSTONE. would not have rifen to tron
ble the Houfe, but for the purpufe of making an ob
fervatinn, in anfwer to fume allufions made to him
by an Hop. Member who fpokr early in the debate
(Mr. Plumer), in refpea to what he had Paid laßi
night. The Honocrable Member, it was true, had
lalt night. Rated, what turned out to be founded in I
fait, as proved by the declar'otion of a Right lion.
Gentleman this evening (Mr. Perceval) ; but when
he did Coe the circumstance, he avowed no other
ground than rumour, unfupported by any authentic ,
reference.. Adverting to the compar:fons which had I
been made by Gentlemen on the other fide of the
Houle, between the cafe now under confederation,
and thofe of Lord Afhburton and Lord Lechmere,)
he thought there was very little difference. But he
could not refrain from fome obrervations upon the
conduct of thofe Honourable Gentlemen themfelves,
when they were taking credit for fo much purity and
difintereftednefs. He would alk, how they could
reconcile with thofe affumptions, the indecency of
potaing upon that Houfe on their &ft acceflion to
*office, and at nine o'clock at night, two fucceflive
Rages of a Bill for enabling the Noble Lord at the
head of the late Adminidration, to bold as a finecure
the office of Auditor of the Exzheaquer, with large
emoluments annexed, and the duties of which were
to be done by another, and this at the fame time that
another Noble Lord at the head of the family en-
joyed the Teller thip with emoluments alma incal-
culable ? How could they reconcile with this boafted
purity the extraordinary increafe made in the falary
of Firfl Lord of the Admiralty, lately enjoyed by
Another branch of that Noble Family, and this not
avowed to Parliament in an open manly way, but
effoled by a fecret fund ? How could that Right
Honourable Gomleman reconcile to his purity the
calling on the Houle for 30001. for the expences of
Ruttier continuing the Committee of Naval Enquiry,
and not fay a word about his own falary ? With re-
foe& to the Committee of Finance, for which thofe
Hon. Gentlemen took lb much credit to themfelves,
fo far from their having the merit to originate the
meafure, it was rather tot ced upon them by the patti-
otifm of his Hon. Friend oppolue to him (Mr. BidH
dulph) ; but when they found the meafure was too
populor to be refilled, the Noble Lord (Petty) adopt-
ed it, and claimed that as his own, which ha had no
right to arrogate. The Honourable Gentlemen
bruited much of their economical arrangements; but
what had Grey done for the country in effo9 ? I
had indeed Commitlioners of Accounts out of num-
ber ; but what had thefe effefted ? The Welt India
Commifiioners, who had been fo long appointed, at
large calories, had not even yet failed upon their
iniQion ; and as to the army accounts, nothing ap.
peared to have been cffea,:cl there. In Root, be ap-
prehended that whenever thole Hon. Gentlemen
thould come to hate avhat they really had done, their
explanation would be fomething like what occurred
between GeneralStannope and General Walpole upon
a tot rner occafion, namely, nothing better than mu-
; tool reproach and recrimination. Thole men were
the fathers of the Houfe of Commnus at that day,
and the Houle, in pity to their nakednels, turned their
backs upon them, and Co he hoped they would do
upon thefe Honourable Gentlemen.
Mr. SHERIDAN now rule, and laid, that he had
frequently obferved on former occafions, a very ptu-
rient eagernefs on the part of the Honourable Gen-
tleman who (poke laft, to attack with vii ulence the
late Adminiltration ; but he feemed now to have
atfumed a [lotion of philofophical neutrality ; and
one fide of the Houle appeared to (land jolt as good
a chance of his fuppport as the other. The Honour-
able Gentleman feemed this night to evince a difpo-
fition for following up his attacks upon the late Ad-
miniftration ; and he had more than once profeffed,
that he never had alked any place, employment, or
favour of his Majetty's late Miniftets, (though they
were once flattered with the honour of his apparent
difpnfition to fuppport them). He (Mr. S.) was
no divulger of private fceses—but a public meffage,
he believed, he had a liberty to avow—and he could
fay, that he was once commiffioned with a meffage
from the Honourable Gentleman on the fnbjea of
obtaining a favourite objea. The Honourable Gen-
demon might, for this difclofure, cenfure him in any
way he chofe, vulgar or refined, according to his
taste. But he (Mr. S.)knew that, upon the occafion
to which be Minded, the Honourable Gentleman
might have been completely dulcified towards hisMa-
jetty's late Minifiers, if they chofe • it was unnecefTary
to explain more—the Honourable Gentleman per-
fealy underflood him. 'the Honourable Gentleman
alked what the late Minifters had effeaed by mea-
lures of public economy ? In anfwer, he would atk
the Hon. Gentleman, in whathad they fwerved from
it ? The Hon. Gentleman asked what had they done
in the Army ? He would anfwer, that they had ef-
feted very confider able and important retrenchments,
by reduCtions on the Staff, the Commiffariat, and the
Barrack Department ; and he would afk the Hon.
Gentleman, if his Noble Friend near him ( Lord
Petty) did not pledge himfelf at the outlet of his ad.
miniltratian, to the adoption of every pratticable plan
of reform and retrenchment in the ptehlic expenditure
—and, if he had not followed up that pledge to the
loft moment of his official authority ? The Honour.
able Gentleman wilhed to deprive his Noble Friend
of all claims to the merit of originating the Com-
mittee of Finance, and to attribute
the whole to
another Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Biddulph),
from whole merit it was by no means his with to
detract ; but he would fay, that his Noble Friend, in
adopting that meafure with a view to give it greater
extenfen, by no means %%ailed to deprive the Hon.

Gentleman who Arft propnfed it, of the Credit of mi.
ginality ; but lonely his Noble Friend was entitled
to the praife of having promptly adopted the fug-
gettion hr the advarrage of the public, indifferent
from whom it might proceed. But would the Ho-
nourable Member venture to a (fent that any manage-
ment was attempted by his Noble Friend, in orsler
to place Minitlerial Members upon the Committee
which was appointed in confequence of that fuggef-
don ? Or would he fay that any management was
attempted by the Chairman of that Committee to
Tway the deliberations of its Members ? Defeated as
the Hon. Member was in his attack upon his Noble
Friend on this point, he was Rill more unfortunate in
his attack upon the Fiat Lord of the Admiralty, the
increafe of whole falary he was pleated to term a
fecret to the Houle ; whereas it could be no fecret to
any man, who knew what was patting in the Houle,
or who took the trouble to advert to the papers up-
on the table. It was a notorious fad, that, before
the increafe alluded to, the falary of the Firit Lord of
the Admiralty was fcandalottfly too !mall ; this was
acknowledged when a Noble Lord, who had latelybeen
fubjeded to the public cenfure of that Houle, was
appointed to the office ; and what did the Admini-
ftration of that day ? Why, in addition to the falary
annexed to the office, they confiderably increaled the
pay, not from the tale of old (tones, but by an inter-
tion of the revenues of Scotland, which bonus that
oblc Lord had enjoyed till the prefect day, although
he had long [ince ceafed to fill the fituation. Thus, the
Hon. Gentleman could not fupport his other charges
againft his Majefty's late Minifters, better than he
fupported thofe whom he walled might be employed'
as charger general againft them, under the aufpices
of their fucceffors. He defined now to:pay tome at-
tention to the fpeech of another Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
Montague) who had been pleafed to charge Gentle-
men on his fide of the Houle with deriding his argu-
ments, becaufe they could not anfwer him : the Hon.
Gentleman might, however, have had the politenefs to
wait a little, and try whether they were able to anfwer
him or not, before be made the alfertion. The Hon.
Member had laved them the neceffity, by offering
them no arguments to anfwer, and as to every thing
elle, he had fo fully anfwered himfelf throughout hi,
fpeeeto that it would be fuperfluous to anfwer him
any farther. Some cumparifons had been made be-
tween the cafe now under dircutlion, and thole of
Lords Afhburton and Lechmere ; and fume compa•
rifons had alfo been drawn between the characters
and meth of thole Noble Lords, and the Right
Hon. Gentleman now tl.e fubjeft of the debate. It
was not his province to go into a fcrutiny upon
morals, and no man more highly efieemed than he
did the parliamentary talents of the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman ; and therefore he thought the advice of his
Majafty, of placing him on the oppofite Bench, was
wifely given. He could nat :enter into comparifous
of the number of briefs, fees, and motions, which fell
to the profeCtional lot of the Right Hun. Gentleman,
and which he was to abandon fur his new office.—
But he (Mr. Sheridan) whofe lot it was to vindicate
his Majefly's new Minifters from the indifcrcet zeal
of forme of their friends, mutt beg to obferve, that
they mutt be ftrano friends indeed who could ad vice
I the Right Honourable Gentleman to give up his cer-
tain profeflional emoluments to the amount of eight
or ten thoufand pounds a year, as alledged, to accept
a place of 25001. in the experiment to become a tole-
rable Chancellor of the Exchequer. It was a facrifice
which the Houle did not with the Right H,,n. Gentle-
man to make, but rather that be would keep both his •
emoluments and his profetlion ; and to thole who gave
him a contrary counfel, well might he exclaim " Oh,
fave me from my friend:, I can myfelf take care of
my enemies !" With refpea to the comparifon
made between the Right Hon. Gentleman and Lord
Athburton, the cafes were totally different. 'That
Gentleman, when Mr. Dunning, was at the top of a
protection, of which he was the ornament, when he
was called up to the Houfe of Peers without a place
—and if the Duchy of Lancafler bad not been af-
figned him he mutt have had for his fupport a pen•
firm from the public purfe. He, however. accepted
the fituation for life, on the condition of relinquithing
it, fo Piton as the great objet of his profettional
views was open, namely, the Chief Jufticethip of the
King's Bench; but notwithltanding the fneers which
had been call this night upon that Noble Lord, in al-
lotion tohis parliamentary condua,inbringing for ward
a Refolution, " that the influence of the Crown had
increafed, was increafing, and ought to be diminith-
ed," he thought the circumftance highly honourable
to his citaraaer, and fuch as ought not to deprive
him of the favour of his Sovereign, for only withing
to curb that increafed influence of the Minifters of
the Crown, which added nothing to the comforts,
the honour, or the authority of the Monarch. And
he thought the Crown more faithfully and honourably
tested by the into, fuch as him, who brought forward
this refolution, and that they were more truly the
fupporters of the conftitutional prerogative of the
Soy ereign, titan the men who could advice the mea-
fure now in debate. It was extremely painful to
him to make any comparifons that might be thought
to wear an invidious alpeCt to the Right Honourable.
Gentleman, but he recolleaed, that ever fince be was
a Member of that Houfe, he was moldy in office. He
had been' Solicitor General under Mr. Pitt, add
Attorney General under Lord Sidmouth ; and here
he begged leave to pay his tribute of praife to the
upright, pure, and honourable conduct of that Noble
Lord'as it had been explained this night, when under
the adminiftratron of Mr. Pitt, his Lorsithip might have
had the place for lite, which it was now in comical-
plation to confer upon the new Chancellor of the
Exchequer, had his honourable fcrurles permitted
him to become the instrument of limitation to the
Prerogative and conflitutional influence of his Royal
Matter : and he really thought it a great pity that
tome ample provilion for lite was not made to a man,
who to obey the call of :Lis Sovereign, by accep-
dog of an arduous and precarious fituation, fur-
rendered the Chair of that Houle, which he filled
for to many years, in a manner that junified him
in clnfidering it a certainty for his life. But thit a
Right Hon. Gentleman, who, after exercifing his
lungs fur a few months on the Oppolition Bench, and
who now had returned once more to that balmy and
bleffed nation the Treafury Bench, thould be only
enticeable to the acceptance of the chief poll there, by
the addition of another place and finecure of equal
Calm y for life, was Come proof to thew the Right Hon.
Gentleman had tome bodings that there was force
little lack of permanency in official power of the per.

throat knot betides tlwe emoluments of tine office. to
forts he had Joined, and that be requited ferrite addi,
buy him into the peril of becoming Charletilor or the
Exchequer. He could not, howeirer, lee the nee,f-
lity for this, nor admit the impr.ffibility of dine y
other Gentleman•fic fur the lifuation. He wouid hot
pretend to ri.ckon how many led or (pare tlvornies
General the new istirittery had in theirfiri:e. tor 11-,w
many Mailers of the Rolls they had by them in time,
not ufed up, but, as to Chancellors of the .I::l:c!iegiier,
he thought they were the very things wrier widch
the Houle fwarmed. His N ible Friend lad rin co,nee
brought forward a plan of Finance, under which the
country would certainly have been, tor a time.
borthened with taxes nee:Miry to fuppo•t with
effe& the contea in which we are coootged, and Li
which, •if we failed, we fhnnld have
leave to polterity ; hut if we fucceeded, we (honk)
(till have to bequeath them every thing valuable and
dear to Britons. But what was the conl_girei c • -
Chancellors of Exchequer Ratted up in every quarter
of the Houle, with new fyßems of Finance iu their
hands, each crying out, " Your plan i• nothing, !
Look here, what a plan I have got! this is cut (tom
the true mulberry tree, no counterfeit all your !"
Even the gallant Officer over the way (Sir James
Pulteney) feemed to a& .Minitters, " Why don't vovt
call upon me forfora plan of Finance i" It was palling •
ftrangs that the new Minifters could not find a man
converfnt in the four rules of arithmetic, and com-
petent to a little plaulibility in flatemerris, to make a
Chancellor of Exchequer, without paying a high
bounty to a moth excellent Lawyer, an admit-141e
Attorney General, the fummit of wire Cc atnbi ion it
was to fill that office, but who never opened his lips
upon the fubjea of Finance—to beeozne Chancellor
of the Exchequer ! Really, after Otto: makino, the
Attorney General a Chancellor of the Exchccrier, he
thould not be forprifed if they converted the gall
Officer into an Attorney General. Mr,. S•eiii.lan
concluded by obferving, that his Isfajetty's late Mi.
Miters went out of office without taking; a firilling by
places for life, whilst the Country could not get a
Miniltry to (fleeced them, without buying them ati
enormous hotimiec.
Mr. JOHNSTONE explained, by raying, he never
did employ the Hononrable Gentleman to negotiate
for him, becaufe he knew he was too bury negociat-
ing for himfelf and his family ; and that he never did
leek any office of the late Mmitters with a Ihriling fa•
lary annexed, but tendered his tort ices t..) his country
without fee.
Mr. SHERIDAN admitted the latter lA, an
added, that the only negotiation he had Seen engaged ,
in on his own account, was one in whielt a Right
Hon. Friend of his had obferved to him, tfiat after a
Parliamentary life of 27 years, he never had obtained
any previlion ; and that Miniftw, very honourably
to themfelves. and without his knowledge or &ono,
had refolved to make for him a permanent provironi,
fomething like that in difccffion, but de•
clined.
Mr. SIMEON admitted the light and the duty of
the Honk of Conkmons to advile the King ; :Lilo
the propriety, on general principles, of rout
for life places tifually held during pleafure. On .
general ground, or at any other time, would t..)p.
port it—but in the prefent initance, he thought to e
refolution would Item perfonally poirred ; alit hce,
therefore, could not give it his
thought it would be an impediment in ;he way
forming forte .^a.d.niniftration ; whi&l ci; curnite. t :
would tend to create anarchy.
Mr. FULLER was :worintt the motion.
Mr. W ELBERFORCE had a high opinion of his
Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr. Perceval) and i na-
gined he would have mode, ed this debate tr.oeceffarv,
had he (Mr. Perceval) not thought re!l[rizioi., his ',re-
tentions to the Office in the Duch?. looked
like conceding the matter from intimidation. He ( Mr.
Wilberforce) did not approve of the difpofition of lift.!t
places for lite, and notwohitanding his refpal for the
individual immediately concerned, he ihould vote for
the motion.
The MASTER of the ROLLS wigged the queftion
had rather been brought fur ward as a general princi -
pie, than in the perfonal way in which it mutt be con-
fidered. It was a contiitutional quellion indifcreetly
entangled with private coe,fider ations. The cafe of
the application to his Majetty not to difprife of the
office in the Duchy for life, 'prior to the 2.oih of Ja-
nuary, did not at all apply to the prefent. little
could the argument for this inlet ference wiill the
Prerogative be fratadcel or. an; of Mr. Put ke's.
His propofal,was to abolith all places dependent on the
feparation of the Duchy from the Crown : he did not
propufe to abolith the office of Char.cellur cf that
Duchy.
Lard HOWICK was not inclined to enter in;
the difeullion this night, but he war d: 'erred fro rl
his intention of preferving lilence, by what fell fro t
the Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman who Ipoli;:
fall. .tie teemed to object to the prefent motion.
becaufe, on the fpur of the occallor, in a oat-Ocular
ingtance, it was diteaed to apply general limits to the
prerogative. What was the motion.? It recpwelied his
n. to difpofe of this particular office for a
pc,iod longer than was ufual. It was a conflituti-
omit maxim, that of the ancient places, the Crown
had not the appropriation for life, if fuck places had
not been ordinarily fo granted. Then this motion
contained advice to the Sovereign, not to do that
which he was not entitled to do in the legitimate er-
emite of his prerogative. Many places, Paid the
Right Honourable and Learned Gentleman, tray
now be granted during life which before were mily
granted during pleafure. If the King could grant
the Office of Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancathi.r
during life, why might he not that of Chancellor of
the Exchequer, and that of Lord High Chan.
cellor of England? He (Lord Howick) believed, that
the Right Honourable and Learned Gentleman was
accuftomed to look up with veneration to the (pi-
nions of Lord C•fke, and what were the fentirtiersts of
holdene voidur bircig cAluiffee
tc
that eminent perfon on this fubjed ? His words ware
thefe : " Some ((ays he) have'gotten it by letters
patent
rttrNi‘ng,iie))
will,; andbut
itonweasfo
fir term d
an and:nt calk.: mutt be granted as it had been ac-
cuftom ed." 'I-hi,, then, was no limita'inn to the
Prerogative, but it was the advice of the Houfe as
to the exercife of it, as it was ufed in the belt time .
Evgn the grant to Lord Afhburton, under the re-
ftrifted form in which it was made, was difpnied by
a Learned Member who was Bill a Member of th-i
Hon,e, who did move a rcfolutioa on the fubjea.—