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London, England, 1831-07-13 00:00:00

Mr. ROBINSON asked those who were so pertina-
ciously bent en dividing the House on the question of
adjournment, why they did not address the advice with
which they favoured the Ministers, to buffer the minority
to have their way in this question to their own party. He
could only say this, that if the Noble Lord on the
Bench were to give way to that opposition, he weal's:elf t:
nion that such a concession would endanger the Reform
the fare of which was involved in the present struggle
—(Cheers.)
After some further discussion the house again divided,
when the numbers appeared to be—
' For the adjournment
Against it

Majority 162
The inot Io n for adjournment was again pat, and after a
consequent discussion upon it, in which Sir Charles We.
tberell and others, who were opposed to the Bill, were very
conspicuous.
Sir J. BRIDGES said that, as it was impossible for the
two parties to come to any compromise upon the question,
he could not do better than propose to them to draw lots to
decide which of them should retain their ground. (A loud
shout of laughter followed this suggestion.)

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the hon. baro-
net seemed to give his support to the motion because the
house would not toss up upon this question.
The house then divided for the seventh and last time,
when the numbers appeared to be—
For the motion ... ... 23
Against it .. ... 187
Majority ... ... —lB3

Sir C. WETHERELL then asked if no compromise
could be entered into by the two conflicting parties. He
was ready to declare that it was not his wish to impede the
s of the Constitutional measure; on the contrary, he
mightpro probably be found among its supporters, but he
thought that Hon. Members ought to be allowed to deliver,
their sentiments on it.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
if it was sufficient, on the part of the ministers, to assure the
hon. and learned member that the measure should not go on
at the present moment, if the Speaker were suffered to leave
the Chair, he would give these assurances, and would pledge
himself that the only step that should be taken would be
merely that the Chairman do take the chair pro forma to
report progress, and then ask leave to sit again. He was toe
anxious that every hon. member should have an opportunity
to deliver his sentiments on the bill, and by this arrange-
ment such opportunity would be afforded him.
The SPEAKER.—The question before the house is,
that I do now leave the chair. As many as are of that
opinion say Aye (a loud burst of Ayes). The contrary,
No (one or two Noes). I think the Ayes have it.
The right hon. member then vacated the chair amidst a
volley of cheers, which continued for several minutes.
The Chairman of the Committee of the whole House
then took the Chair, and the bill was Introduced pro
forma ; after which he begged leave to report progress, and
to sit again.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and
the house adjourned at HALF-PAST SEVEN this
morning.

Since printing the above, we are enabled to sub-
join, a more particular account of what occurred
on the several remarkable divisons in the House
of Commons last night, while the doors were
closed, for which we are indebted to a very late
edition of the Times :
After we were excluded from the gallery divisions teak
place on the adjournment—the opposition insisting that K-
raal members intended still to deliver their opinions; sad
the members on the ministerial benches retorting, that the
country had anticipated, and would perfectly understand,
the factious opposition that was offered to proceeding with
the bill. _ .

...-
On the first division on the amendment for the adjours-
ment of the debate, the numbers were—
For the amendment ... ... 102
Against it .. ... ... 328

Majority for ministers
The original motion, " that the Speaker do leave the
chair," being spin put, an amendment was moved upon it,
",that the house do now Adjourn."
The house having divided, the numbers were—
For the amendment . 90
Against it . .. 286

Majority for Ministers WU
A great deal of warm debating took place on both sides,
during the intervals between the divisions, Colonel Davies,
Alderman Waithman, and other members urged Lord
Althorp to persevere in resisting the adjournment ; antl

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Lord GEORGE LENNOX, in answer to a complaint
that the majority would not listen with decency or patience
to the speeches on the other aide, said—" Sir, I do most
sincerely hope and trust that His Majesty's Ministers will
not give in to the factious opposition, but that, let the lion.
Member for Boroughbridge rack his invention as he may to
create delay, they will meet him, and remain at their posts,
supported by the house, till 12 o'clock to-morrow night.—
The Hon. Member for Boroughbridge has complained of
the interruption given to his worthy colleague : I can only
say that interruption could not be great, as I counted 18
bon. gentlemen fast asleep, and if the hon. gentleman had
looked to his right or left, he would have seen the right hon.
baronet, the member for Tamwoeth, fast asleep ou one side,
and the es-Chancellor
.of the Exchequer enjoying a quiet
nap on the other."
Sir C. FORBES also addressed the house, and, alluding
to Sir R. 'kers having left the house, said that be was not
willing to trouble the holm. He (Sir C. Forbes) was ter.
tainly ready to make a good fight in such a cause. lie only
wished that they had or could find a gallant leader, but he
was sorry that such a leader was wanting.
The house then divided, we believe, upon Sir Charles
Wetherell's amendment, and the numbers were—

For the amendment ...
Against it ... 2,5
Majority against the amendment
Another amendment was then n:ade, the nature of which
we could not learn, but it gave rise to a very warm discus-
sion. _ _ _

---iie were Informed that several hon. members having ad.
dressed the house,
l'be CHANCELLOR of she EXCHEQUER ez.

pressed his determination to persevere in going into Com.
mime, if it were only to allow the Chairman to report pro.
geese, and ask leave to sit again. He regretted the trouble
to which the fulfilment of this determination would give to
bon. members. but be felt it his duty to persevere after the
opposition he had experienced.
Mr. T. P. COURTENAV asked If the Noble Lord
(Altborp) would pledge himself to use his influence that a
discussion should be allowed on the motion for the Speaker
leaving the chair tomorrow ? He could not help feeling
that this was a reasonable request, considering the short dis.
cussion which the question had had in this Parliament; and
if the noble lord did not accede to it. he should be compelled
to desert the banners of the noble lord, though he had fought
under them for the last hour.

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The Chancellor of the EXCHEQUER said that it was
open to any hon. member to do that which the hon. member
for Totness (Mr. Courtenay) asked him to pledge himself
should be done.

Several hon. Mascaras then addressed the House, ammg
whom, one (whose name we could not learn) coupatulated
the House that this discussion had been confined to them-
selves, as he really thought it was rather the reverse of
being creditable to the House. (Cheers.)
Mr. ATT WOOD addressed the House, and wondered
what could be the motive of ministers. He feared it was in
order to create in the minds of the public an impression
that the gentlemen on his side the House bad a disposition
to obstruct the course of public business. (Cries of "So
you do," and tremendous cheering.) He denied the charge.
u this a pan of the agitation which had been carried on
by the servile adherents of °ornament ? (Lewd cries if
" Order.")
Lord EBRINOTON (as we were told) an to order.
He bad never before heard moss unparli brio=
from any hon. member. Indeed seas Otis
opposite side of the house had isloasd Mae. to'
consider that they were above dose ralso to by the
house, in order to secure deans, sad propriety Is their dis-
cussions. (Much cheering.) He bed been a of the
Government, but be denied that bosom be haiiwa so, any
man of good snaky would ddsk of calling him a
" servile affisenne of the Clovetneent." (Cbsess.) Men
who were at Ism as bemossablo led of as MO &waster as
the hos. nessiee Desonebbeldge Ms Atwood) had
also bees sappostero of the flovemmest s mid Is his own,
and Is their is.., he cast bask tits linpeindos of " servile

adbaency" with all the kalignation that
pendent MS&
LOW ARTHUR LENNOX must also ,
nation al the extraordinary language used
member kr Boroughbridge (loud cheering
atebil bashes.)
Mr. ATIIIVOOD stated, that he had not
Wile samosa to government in that house,
=wile adhsrants to government in the count
ei es. as:l
Mosel FOX asserted that the hon. meml
dimwit& " in the country."
• Tbe SPEAKER rose to order, and after t
wiry disorderly discussion closed.
• bag conversation then took place, for
sat nem, in which several Members declared
.
natmn w sit for 48 hours without intermission

defeated by so factious an opposition.
Lord HOWICK stated, that it had that day been e„,,,(.
dently affirmed upon 'Change, that no less than 20 mew),
had declared their determination to make long speech,
night, in order to obstruct the prowess of the bill. (Cries,:
" Shame, shame.")
Sir C. WETHERELL denied that there was any mit'
in such a statement. (Cheers from the opposition.) Wil4,
ever side might have been wrong in this discussion, he a,.
certain that the opposition was not the most so. He .01,ei
the noble lord to state whether be thought they were s„,.
(Laughter.) He waited for an answer. ( Hear, hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, thi
it appeared from the statement of the noble lord oppest.
hie object in bringing forward his amendment had bets a..
swered. The noble lord had stated that his object in pi,
posing his original amendment had been to teach hon. mer.
bees that they must hear the debate. He had obtained tl
advantage of showing the house what might be done, if tl.-
debates were not conducted regularly, and therefore he thoug..,
that the noble lord might allow ministers to take one etc? t•
advance, by going into the committee.
Colonel TRENCH (we believe) contended that it a.,
competent for any member to address the house on an.
subject, and denied that he and the hon. friends with shor
he acted deserved to be taunted as factious opponents of L'it
Government.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had nem
charged the hon. gentlemen opposite with factious °pp%
&Woo. It was certainly competent for them to pursue the
course they had done, but it was another question 1Y bele :t
was prudent and well advised. (Cheers.)
Lord MIR INGTON wished to know why this oppo.
skim was to be continued if no object were to be answered
by it (Loud cries of Hear.) What epithet would the
country attach to such an opposition ? (Hear, hear.)
An boa. Mawsea (name unknown) contended that the
house was struggling on a false point of honour. Did El
gentleman believe that he should acquire a greater claim t'
the attention of the house by wearying out gentlemen wa.‘
bad serious business to transact both by day and by right,
(Laughter
Col. WOOD said, as he had voted originally against the
question of adjournment, would the Chancellor of the Et.
chequer permit him to remind him, that on all questions at.
milar to the present, government had hitherto always gives
way.:,During the 26 years which he had been a member of
that house, he had seen several divisions on the subject of
adjournment. They had always led to an unprofitable loss
of many hours ; but they were the only protection which the
minority had against the majority. If this amendment were
pressed, he should certainly vote against it. Still he thought
the government would lose nothing by giving way.
Mr. STANLEY agreed with Colonel Wood, that the ph.
'liege of moving the adjournment of the house was one of
the most valuable that a minority could exercise. With that
privilege he should be sorry to interfere; but the minority
might overstrain it, and he.believed that they were doing so
upon the present occasion. They had already divided three
times, and on the last division the majority had been 253,
and the minority only 63. He asked gentlemen on the other
side of the house, as reasonable men, whether under such
circumstances it was not more reasonable that the mil ority
should yield to the majority, than the majority to the mino-
rity ? (Loud cheering.) He repeated the question, which
party ought to yield—the minority, who would gain nothing
by 'lining their point, or the majority who, on principle,
ought not to yield to any thing ? (Cheers.)
Sir C. WETHERELL had never heard the question of
adjournment put on this ground before. If his memory did
not desert him, he had seen the question of adjournment
hims:lf moved more than three times—he believed even fin
times—in one night, by the noble lords who now taunted
such conduct as factious. (Cheers.)
Lord BR UDENELL then withdrew the amendment.
Lord STORMONT then moved the adjournment of the
house till five o'clock this day. When the hon. member for
Dundalk Bat moved the adjournment, he had asked him for
his reasons. He had told the hon. member that it was too
early, and that be bad better let business proceed till two
o'clock (cries of " spoke.") His reasons for making this
amendment were, that certain members in one corner of the
house had most unfairly created uproar and confusion (cries
of " no.") He felt it to be his duty when gentlemen assumed
an imperious tone which they had no right to assume, to sit
till 4or 6 o'clock in opposing it. In thus acting he was not
instigated by any factious motives.
Several other Members followed with similar arguments
on both sides of the question.
The House at last divided, when there appeared—
Fur the amendment .... 214
Against it
Majority for Ministers
Another motion for adjournment was made during our
absence from the Gallery.
The AT I'OR NEY GENERAL said that it was ins-
portant that the Government should persevere in opposing
this amendment, in consequence of the manner in which
the minority were abusing their privilege in moving it.—
(Hear, bear.) The objection to proceeding with the debate
was not founded on any constitutional objections to the re-
form bill, but on the simple fact that an individual had
felt that he had not been heard with sufficient attention at
12 o'clock at night. If such an objection were good for
any thing on the 12th of July, it would be equally good on
the 12th of August, or the 12th of September, or the 12th
of October, and thus the great measure might be baffled to
all eternity. (Cheers.)
An hon. Mamma (name unknown) would not yield to
this moot unconstitutional motion for adjournment. He
looked to the quo mime with which the question of adjourn.
ment was raised. He looked upon this privilege of adjourn-
ment not so much as a shield, but as a sword in the hands
of the opposition, and therefore it ought to be used carefully.
He noticed that Sir C. Wetherell was now deserted by his
leader, who had now been quietly in bed for the last five
hours. The minority had also dropped down to 44, and he
trusted that if this factious conduct was persisted in, that
numbers would decline still more.

An opposition Mxieszacontended that all Ibis uproorhad
been occasioned by the attempt to interrupt the hon. mew.
bee for Dundalk in the liberty of speech. It showed weak-
ness in the friends of reform to refuse to hear their oppo.
cents.—{Cries of 64 No, no.")
Mr. 8. RICE said, that the Mends of reform were
anxious to bear, because they knew they could refute, all
the arguments of their adversaries. Every possible in-
ducement had been held out to the honourable member
for Dundalk to address the house, but he bad refused to
avail himself of it.

After some conciliatory observations from the Cuaxcet-
Loa of the EXCHZQCSI and Sir R. Isaias,
Mr. PRAED said, that as ministers would gains step be
the house assenting to go into the committee that night, he
should support the adjournment. The very step which the
ministers wished to gain was that which he and his friends
wished to go on discussing. (Cries of " Oh, oh.") If there
were nothing but a point of form involved in this discussion.
be would not object to letting ministers have the advantage
of it ; but it was a point of substantial advantage and there-
fore be would not yield it. It had been said that the
privilege of moving the adjournment, which was intended
as a shield foe the minority, had, upon this occasion, been
used as a sword. He saw no reason why it should not.
In the words of Horace be would say—
" Me 'dud custodiet ensis
Vagina tectue. Quern cur diatringere caner
Tutus ab infests onibus ?"
—(Cheers from the opposition.)
An opposition Msnssa said, that though Sir R. Pe!'
had been now in bed Ave hours, be was quite sure that the
right bon. baronet did not man to desert his present patty-
(Qin of "Oh !") He should suppppooret the adjournment.
because a question which mast be discussed in that house
nighdy for Ave weeks to come, ought not to be discussed at
&after 12 o'clock at n ht.
After some further the house again divided.
when the numbers were—.

For the adjournment
Against k .
Majority ..
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