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London, England, 1805-02-22 00:00:00

*HEEL OF FORTUNE.

with the tingle exception of what had this night fal-
len from the Noble and Learned Lan who had kill
fat down, ana who only had departed from the gra-
vity and clecOrum due to fo folemn a fulijca, by ac-
ceding hies with bringing forward unfounded charges.
The two ierticles which had been withdrawn, were
fie pumofes which he Conceived were decorous and
refpeaftil to-the Honk ; the firft, he perceived from,
further enquiry, was not found to the extent he war
at firft informed ; the fecond was an affertion, which
he was at firft informed had been ferioufly made,
but he afterwards underftood it to be otherwife, and
thus in endeavouring to avoid the imputation of
bringing forward any charge that was frivolous, he
very inadvertently expofed himfelf to an imputation
from the Noble and Learned Lord, of bringing for-
ward unfounded charges.
Lard CARLETON Paid, if he had the honour of
being as well known to the Noble Marquis as to many
others in the Houfe, the Noble Marquis would not
have been fo prompt to charge him with a perfonal
Insputation which he never intended. He had, in
kid no more than the Noble Marqtta's own ex-
planation had fully admitted.
The Marquis of ABE RCO RN explained.
Earl SPENCER (poke in favour of poftponing the
further proceedings, acid contended it was no fin-
render of any privilege of their LortifhipS, but
merely a fufpenfion of their.right for a fhort time, for
the fake of regularity, and to einid every thing like
eon-lotion orearbarraffment In creating the firft great
precedent that would probably rule all future pro-
ceedings in fimilar cafes.
Lord HAWKESBURY contended, that the pm-
ceecfings by impeachment, and by addrefs, were per.
fealy diftina in their nature and object ; and that the
latter proceeding would, in every fuppofeable cafe,l
originate with greater propriety in the Ho* of
Lords, where the enquiry could be profecuted with
all the folemnity and certainty that refulted from the
forms and prance of judicial procedure. There were
tome cafes in which an impeachment could not be
brought, and which Might, notwithftanding, imperi-
oufly call for their Lordfhips' interpofition. If the'
private life of a Judge was infainous, if he was a tuf-
teniout gambler or adulterer, would it not be a lean-
dal to the admiftration of jultice that he fhould con-
tinue to hold his place'on the bench t He would alto
fuppofe the cafe Of an impeachment, which it was
to be recolletied never was proceeded on by the other
Houfe without a previous enquiry. He could fcarcely
figure to himfelf a cafe in which grounds Mould exift
for fuch a -pMeeeding, which Would not in the firft
inftance justify* an addrefs for removal. His Lord-
thip then repeatid the arguments, which he urged
on a former dity, in fupport of the courfe already
adopted.
Lord GRENVILLE reprObsited the doarines
which had been advanced by the Noble Lord on the
other fide of the Houfe, as incontinent with the fpi-
rit, the forme, and the pretties of thelritilh Confti-
twain. Me had never heard a more monftrons pro.
pofition than that, during the courfe of an impeach-
ment, an addrefs ought to be made for the removal
of the peffon acceded. Nor had he till now heard it
ftated,that a fudge might be proceeded again ft in both
ways. Could fuch a proceeding take place in any
Court of lattice in this country, as that of trying a
man &II for thepurpofe of infliaing the Lefler pundh-
ment, and then:trying him again upon the fame faits)
in order toifiltify the infliaion of the greater punifh-
ment. This difficulty and injuftice, his Loraltip
contended, wouidbe avoided, by allowing the Corp
mons to 'have the option as to the Mode of proceed.
ing, while this courfe would, at 'the fame time, be
produirtive of Much lets delay.
Lord SIDMOUTH was agiinft it, and denied
that any conilitutional form df proceeding required
thit this lmfinefs fbould originate in the Houk of
Commons. ' There were different fpecies of concerns
that, in the iffage of 'Parliament, naturally attached
to one Mak or the other : qinftions of finance, for
tnftance, erclufirdy belonged to the Houfe of Com-
mons, and always had their origination there; but
quefticms ofJudicial concern more properly belonged
to their Lordfhips, and confequently that Houfe was
the Ma appropriate to the origination of proceed-
ings in this way. Their Lordlhips had already ad-
vanced a confiderable length on the fubjea, and if
the 7 were now to fufpend further proceedings for the
period propofed, what furety had they that the
Houle of Common*, who had done nothing in the
bufmeh for eight months pail, would inilittne any
nap in the k weeks to come For any thing their
Lindfilips knew, the Houfe of Commons might be
at this moment dikuffing a fimilar propofition for de-
lay, in order to wait for tome proceeding of their
Lordthips g and thus, in the mutual dependance of
each Honk on the other, the refult would be, that
at the end of fix weeks, both Houfes would find.
that a very contiderable portion of the Sefton had
elapfed, without having done any thing.
Lord GRENVILLE Paid, that he could fcarcely
believe that the Noble Vikouot had been in the
Houk when he fpoke. fo totally had the Noble Vif-
count miftated what he had (aid. He had expreisly
enumerated three grounds upon which the two Houle'
would feel it their duty under the All of King Wil-
liam to addrefs his Majefty—r. Crime in the execu
sion of his duty. 2. Criminal condua not in the ex-
ecution of his duty ; and 3. Supervening incapacity.
After Come mutual explanations the Houk divided
on the motion for adjourning the difcuflion.
. Contents 9—Not Contents 36.
It therefore now Rands for the appointment of a
Committee to irortire into the charges.
satin naisas CORPUS SUSPRNSION BILL.

brought forward hilileffieni *His Royal Highisee
then proceeded to confider whether the mode pro-
poled to be adopted, for• examining the charges
agaioß the Learned Judge in the flail willances ought
to 1* adhered to, and urged very &tingly .the pro-
priety of leaving the initiative in this important bull.
nefs to the other Houfe of Parliament. It was his
intention to move, that the Committee appointed to
meet tomorrow, be poßponed for fix weeks ; and in
the mean time he moved, that the order for their
meeting to-motrow be difcharped.
The Earl of LIMERICK difclaimed all prejudice
for or againit the Learned Judge, but earneßly de.
'precated the long delay of proceedings now propofed,
by the illuftrious Duke, which, he Paid, would not
only place the charaller and feelings of the Learned
Judge in a Rate of the moll cruel rufpence, but ope-
rate materially to his pecuniary injury, as a great part
of the annual emoluments of an Irifh Judge depend-
ed on his goin4 the Circuit, which he would be pre- ,
vented from doing by his attendance on this Hook,
and by fo long a delay of the proceedings,whichhadi
now been pending abote eight menthe.
Lord CARLISLE faid, that by the plan fuggeft--
ed by theillußrious perfon who opened the difciafion
the unpleafaut and anomalous predicament of their
affurniog at once the foneion of a Grand Jury, and.
a Court of Inflict, would be entirely avoided, while
there would be a coofiderable &Ting in point clf time.
Lord WESTMORELAND took a view of the
fituation of the Judges, as it edited before the tevo.
lution, and as it was *fleeted by the mt. paired in
the reign of King William, and of his prefent
jelly. The era orthe latter was merely to &MU-
lute the advice of Parliament for that of the Conti.
dential Servants of the Crown. In exereiling this
funeicm. Honk might originate the proceed-
ing ; bat nom the advantage which the Lords pd.
Tiffed of examining witneffes upon oath, it was moll
expedient that the initiative &odd be on their part.
Betides. be thought that the fubjeitt having once been
brought before them by petition, they had now no
alternative but that of going on with the enquiry, in
order that, in the terms of the Great Charter, jultice
&outfits delayed to no man.
Lord AUCKLAND viewing the difficulty and
delicacy of the fituation in whirl the Houfe might be
placed, fhould the Commons, after a decifion had
already taken place? bring the matter again before
their Lordfisips in tbeirjudicial capacity, would have
given his cordial affent to the propafal foggefted for
avoiding this inconvenience, had the qttedion been
now agitated for the fir& time. But in the ?mint
Rage of the bulimia he thought it better that the en-
quiry fhould proceed.
Lord MIJLGRAVE contended, that there were
many circumßances which might render it advifable
to addrefs the Crown for the removal of. a Judge,
though they might not be fuch as to Turni& occafion
for impeachment; and even if there &mild be grounds
for both proceedings, he did not think that their
Lordfhips, by voting for the fill, fettered the exer-
cife of their judgment in confidering the allegations
in fupport of the fecond.
Lord CARLETON faid, that Mr. yoßice Pot
was anxious to have the earließ opportunity of vin-
dicating the honour and integrity of his perfonal con-
due. and the charadler of thhee Bench of juftice in
Ireland. The power of Parliament to proceed in this
cafe mull be referred to the terms of the AR paffedin
Ireland in the year s 781, which he believed embraced
the prcvifions of the Statutes of William 111. and of
his prefent Majelly. But when their Lordthips came
to the confederation of the prcfent cafe, they mull ad-
vert to the circumilance that the powers of the Irifh
judges were more extenfive than thole of the Englifli
Judges, and that in the exercife of Tome of thofe
powers for the public interell, they were foinetimes
ernofed to much ill-will, and even to obloquy. He
conceived that the fpecies of condua which could
warrant an addrefs to his Malay, muff be fuch, and
no other. as voided the conditions of the patent, and
filch, therefore, as would remove the Judge by the
procefs of a &ire fade:. If light and trivial grounds
would be fufficient for a proceeding in Parliament,
the independence of the Judges was an empty boat.
He would not now give an opinion on the grounds
alledged in the prefent intlanee ; but that tome of
them had not been of the molt fubllantial nature, he
was warranted in concluding, becaufe two of them
had already been abandoned as unfounded. His Lord-
(hip approved of the plan fuggetted by the Duke of
Clarence, as being the molt coollitutional ; but, as
his realm tor not acceding to it, under the prefent
circuinflances, Rated, that the witneffes on both fides
had been for Tome time in attendance; that the Learn-
ed judge to whom the quellion referred was alto pre-
fent, and that any farther delay mutt be produitive
of confiderable inconvenience to all the parties.
l'he Marquis act " A ERCO RN role, and bore his
thankful teilimony to the grave and decorous meo-
w:4lu which this butineis had been all alorg difctiffed,

t of 8,..
rr ROBERTS begs to acquaint the Public, that
•a• • there Ike but Three Days to draw,and the Wheel Is unpre-
sedentedly Stich. Tickets and antra are (cam at tile Old State
Lottery Mk; No.B, CortddlL
Tuefday neat will be Nte Bth my's Drawing. . .

REMARKABLE RICH WHEEL.
I Prize of ss,cool. I 3 Prins of sgooL
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&c. &c. &c. •

TICKETS and ShatesWill;mtinni 'en Sale aldift
shy remiss, at DRUMhIOND's Office, No. 6c, Fleet.
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en the Second Day of Drawing.
A. DRUMMOND recommends an early purchafe, •s very few
Tickets arc left on band. The Contradont, much to Chair credit,
have engaged to provide the 016enhccptes with them as long as
they have any left.
Tilefday neat sem be the id Dart Drawing.

SCOTT returns his moR grateful acknowledg-
%X • meets to his Friends and the Public fee the kind Patronage
be l•gs rwetved, and think. it his Duty to Worm them that the
i CICRTS for the GRANT) STATE LOTTERY (now draw-
ing) are nearly all fal ; therefore, to prevent difappoinuuent, be
recommends an immediate .pplicadols at bla old eftabalbed Fortu-
nate (Alice, No. 7f, New Baud-fired. wberc he will continue fel-
ling Tickets and Sham, wzrr-nted undrawn, whiltt any remain.
Ile unprecedented demand for Tickets and Shares is obvious to
the meancft capacity, the Wheel containing awe Prize of aspool
three of to,ooot three of spook four of t.oca. RA of sod-bales
numerous ma's, be. he &c.
Tuefday next will be the Sib Day's Miming.
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On TUESDAY NEXT,the s6th of February.
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&c. &e. &c.
And only THREE DAYS to DRAW.
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KEA'S AND SHARES ARE SELLING BY
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The Order of the Day for the Second Reading of
the Safpenfion of the Habeas Corpus in Ireland was
called for. Previous to its being read, •
Lord GRENVILLE moved, " that an bhmlle
Addrefs be prefented, praying his Majetly to order to
be laid before the Houfe a ipecification of the Condi-
tions upon which all the perfons imprifoned under
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Lord HAWKESBURY then rote, he (aid, to
move for the difcharge of the Banding rule, which
requires that no bill of this nature than go through
two Rages in one day ; and he thought it right to
[fate, that he did this in order to move that the Hours
fhould go into a Committeee this night on the Bill
which had been juft read. The reafons for this ur-
gency were, that the prefent fiufpeafion Alt would
expire on Tuefday next, and there was, therefore, no
time for the nfual forms of the Houle. As to the
neceffity for continuing the furpernion he prefumed
to think that little need be Paid. Though he could
affure the Houfe, that at no' period was the North of
Ireland more tranquil or more loyal than at prefent,
yet he was forry that he could not fay the fame of
every part of that country. The reafons for the fuf.
penfion were notorious. It was .perfedly known
that there were not merely Committees of Irifbmen
in France, but corps embodied, and in the pay of the
enemy; that they held correfperndence with difaffed-
ed perfons in Ireland. And therefore he thought
that if grounds had fubfitled for fufpending this glo-
rious Ad, no lets than nine times, in the cnurfe of the
loft war, much greater fuhtifled now. He conclud-
ed with moving to difcharge the.ftar.ding order. •
The Mercian of SLIGO took notice of the txpref.
fion; that the North of Ireland only was loyal. He
believed that every part of the country was loyal ;
taken in the mafs, it was in a troll perfed Rate ;
though he was ready to own that eroiilaiies might be
tat work to tow difaffedion, and that this Bill might
be neceffary and ufeful to keep them quiet.
Lord HAWKESBURY explained that he by no
'means intended to fay that the North of Ireland only
was loyal, but that he could not fay to much of the
tranquillity of every part of Ireland, as of the North.
The Earl of CARLISLE Paid, that whateier rea-
fons there might be for continuing the Sofpenfion of
the Habeas Corpus in Ireland, there could be none
for treating Parliament in this fummary way. Ada
of Parliament were not fubjed to apoplexy. Their
diffolution was necefarily forefeen, and it became the
duty of Minifters to explain to that Houle what had
prevented their introdudion of this Bill in time fork
to undergo its regular inveltigation. It teemed ne-
ceffary to create a new Patent Office, to apprize Mi.
nifters of the approaching death of their own ads.—
He was an enemy to this unexplained mode of de.
priving the fubjed of his moil invaluable privilege.
and trolled they would be told why all this unprece-
dented (peed was neceffary.
Lord HAWKESBURY afford the Noble Eal
that no other Peer could pay more fie, ed regard t ri
the liberties of the people than hirnielf. But in this
inftance there was no time to go throng!' the oftuil
forms, fence the prefent Ad expired on Tuefday
next, and thereirequired time to forward the Ad, after
it bad received the Royal Affent, to that kingdom.
Earl SPENCER (aid the queltion was not whether
the Ad fhould be again filfpended, hilt whether it
fbould be fufpended without inquiry P irliament had
now fat fine the 15th of January—Why not, if the
reafons for this Bill were notorious, introduce it looney
to give it the fandion of deliberate inviry. As to
the notoriety of the grounds for the lido'nflon, he,
for•one, knew nothing of it, and was denied all means
of knowledge. A Noble Marquis who was well ac•
quainted with the country, had Paid that it was in a
perfed Rate. Why then all this bane ? Even depart 4
ing from all the rules of the Haute, it was very doubt-
ful, if even peffible, that the Ad could arrive in
Ireland in time ; for it could not receive the Royal
Mint before Saturday.
Earl LONGFORD argued that the Rate of Ire.
land imperioufly demanded the continuance of the
fulpenlion of the Habeas Corpus. Noble Lords ota
this fide of the water had heard of the horrors of
rebellion—but theyjaad felt them. He could truly
fay that the fufpgfion of the Habeas Corpus had
been a hardfhip only on the chlaffeded and traitorous.
The loyal and wcldifpofed had (offered no grievance
on that account.
The Duke of MONTROSE fuppnrted the Mrs.
Lion, and affured the Horde, from his own r),:etiliar
means of knowledge, that if the Bili received the
Royal Affent on Saturday, it would arrive in 11-elan:l
on Monday.
The Earl of ENNISKILLEN affured the 'Houle,
from a refidence in Ireland of 4 months., that the
Bill was unfortunately neceffary. [rim arm