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London, England, 1825-05-11 00:00:00

the most wicked people in the world, it could not enter-
,tain fears of this description.. Yet.. if loch fataLte-
`suit should %,ever, forked, tike place, he was, on The
present occasion,
_prepared to say, that he, for one,
would go the Tuft length of re-enacting the whole
Penal Code against the Catholics—(Hear, hear, hear)
a code, however, of which he must say he could not
see the necessitl of Many of its enactments, whit') rather,
In truth, were calculated to excite that irritation. in Ire-
land that was.ever most likely to occasion discontents
which it was sought to repress. His Right Hon. Friend
(Mr. Peel) had in imated that he thought some con-
cessions ought to be made to the Roman Catholics. I
The Right Hon. Gent. was not, therefore, one of those
opponents who thought that civil exclusions existing
now ought to exist for ever. The Right Hon. Gentle-
man's objec,ions were onderstood to be to their admis-
sion to the Batch, the Privy 'Council, and seats in Par-
' liament—(Hear). The chief ground of these objec-
tions was, that -a Roman Catholic would be a
dangerous adviser in the councils of a Protestant
King. He (Mr. Huskisson) could not' apprehend
1 that .a Roman Catholic, as such, could be thus dan-
gerous in such a situation ; for Wile could bring himself
to plan the removal of the Protestant King recognised by
the Constitution, or even the downf Ai of the Protestant

Church, of which that King was the recognised head,
he mu,t have previously made such a sacrifice of his
judgment and his perception to his pasinn and his zeal
—he must be a bigot of sb prostrated a mind as had
never before, he (Mr. Huskisson) would venture to say,
aspired to power. But, let his talents, or the influence
of his ability be ever so great, let it be observed, they
would always be to be measured by the eloquence, abi-
lity, and wisdom contained in that House—.-(Hear). He
warned the Honie, and he desired to do so again and
I again, that if they did not at once proceed to do away
with these unjust restrictions, arid to repress these
childish and unfounded prejudices, they would have,
over and over again, to deal with assemblies in Ireland
of as formidalge a, description• as the late Catholic
Associatiou—(Hear, hear). Sorry he was to trespass
so largely on the patience of the House; but this
was the first, and he trusted it would now be the last
opportunity—(Cheers), that had presented itself to him
for the delivery of his sentiments on the principle of this
Bill. The Hon. Member for Durham had rather re-

fleeted upon the improper way in which he conceived
that these two Bills, which he called the two wings,
had been treated and prepared in the preliminary stages
of their progress, prior to their being brought up before
the House. But he now begged to state, on the part
both of himself and of his Hon. Friend the Secre-
tary of State for Foreign Affairs (Mr. Canning),*whose
absence on such an occasion as this, particularly on
account of its cause, the House must deeply regret
(Hear, hear)—that neither of them bad been present at
any of those previous discussions of the two mea-
sures ; and he was authorised to say, that his Right
Hon. Friend knew nothing of either of the Bills in
question, till the notice of the Hon. Member for Staffird,
(Mr. Littleton) of the Elective Franchise. Bill, and the
notice of the Noble Lord (Lemon Gower) in respect of
the other, first brought them both to the knowledge of
his Right Hon. Friend. For his part, be believed that
both Bills were intended to aid and accelerate the
measure of Catholic emancipation. As to the Bill for
disfranchising the 40s. freeholders, he could not quite
say that. be altogether approved of its principle. In
voting for the other, he had intended to give it his
sanction only up to this point and to this extent—that
as this House hold the public purse, and was bound to'
provide for the expenses of the public service, so he
should hold it was to provide for the effectual opera-
tion and results of a measure which, by granting
Citholic emancipation, would bicalculated to prodice
such incalculable benefit to the community over which
the parties in qiestion might fairly be supposed to
exercise so extensive an influence.. But when his Right
Hon. Friend (Mr. Peel) talked. about the making pro-
vision for a regular establishaient for Archbishops and
Bishops, and an inferior Clergy, as a concomitant to the
Bill for Roman Catholic emancipa:ion, he (Mr. Hut-
kisson) begged to say he contemplated no sucho would whatever He thought, indeed, that it w re-
quire much previous inquiry and consideration. before
they could proceed to make any provision for the Ca-
tholic clergy by law. And he should be unwilling (as
far as he could judge now upon a subject so compli-
cated and difficult, and mixed up with many other con-
siderations that would be fully gone into before any de-
finitive plan was acted upon), to place that provision,
whatever it might be, beyond the matroul of Gov ; in
the same manner as was observed towards the Protestant
ten and other separatists from the Church of England. To, the Bill
itself now before the House, be gave his most cordial support.
Mr. Secretary PEEL was sure the House would
allow him to advert to something which had fallen in
the course of the debate on Friday night last, from
the Honourable Member for Winchelsea, out of regard
to the situation ,and the feelings of the writer of a let.
ter which he held in his band, now the widow of the
late Dr. O'Byrne, the Bishop of Meath, whose name
And been alluded to particularly on Friday night...—
Ibis Lady desired him (Mr. Peel) to state distinctly,
that the Bishop, bet late husband, never was an admit
bed member df the Church of Rome. He bad been
rought up as a Roman Catholic, and . eo continued
bntil he was about 90 years of age; when, seeing
reason to enter the Protestant Church, be sent to
Cambridge. At that University, Dr. Watson was his
tutor, and be was ordained, for the first time (Hear),
Deacon of the Protestant Established Church, and
home little time subseqdattly, a/dinister of the Church
of England. • Hailing' set this matter right, he (Mr.
reel).. would prikeeirto observe, that he felt nth-
that be had elreadY tiered every Oppositi.m to
phis asossure, which be could offer consistently with
kj~rinciphis on which his objections to it were founded.
itleated,..thetifOre,e, useless for him to detain
View Mt ' `the ptesent occasion, nor did he think
*necessary to do so, with the view of bringing for-
larsfiti any novelties on this subject, which, on the con.
tt aryl he was anablp to find. His opinions on this
most momentous subject _were already on record—
iirstr)- and it-would be merely trifling with that
indulgence ;Inch the HAW had sheen towards him
ott other occasions, if be tette to repeat now what he
adiaacOd. US them before. He merely wished
to take this oppostualy sit restating, that the opinions
her lindlormirly bead' en this matter remained still iin•
artited. "'phase alibied., were not precisely in (=foes
isiifj *RN ahtisinhat fillen from • those who were
hostile, like himself, to_thesoceral question of Catholic
assaneipation r.for .he not concur with those
4111110 ibelight that no, further cougesdons whatever
eosin to Ise.maile to the. Catholics, seeing thatiii had'
madly and distinctly declared his. apprehension that
atF •-all respects Use. Roman oslollo-,01 En land shOold
ibtflet4, 1410-109014 sk4tisl444—the

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J.: intimately y• religious feeling •Itair 'beeryetross.. r__
with all the great feuds recorded in anthistorfankl-ahsfi;
of Scotland and Ireland —hole Mainly it had inti 'need •
the two great eirents of the Refornestion and the Revel,
nation, he could not brit feel, sensible, that.religfmn ater
a deiire to promote i-, would always be a geese one•.
rating cause of similar conduct—(Hear). When- he
looked at the numbers of the Romer Cathcilicii and at
the circumstances under which the tearisfer.of Chu-Ch '
property from theirs to Protestant hands text place at .
the Revolution, he could not feet satisfied or convinced
that it was either wise or expedieht to remove th Ise-
barriers which he thought much 'lretrer,calcnhited'ir
protect dsc.Protestant ascendaley in this enantry thin
those ecclesiaitical securities which it was rinw illsais4:
to substitute in their stead. In one sense he t ,,,a,'
did think that these Bills were. inconsistent. with
,e,
Constitution, but in regard to the nieasone ritn Ore a
the House„he did tint rely on that objectioit:a„ iik. 4
In the other proposed Bills the clauses went ti it crate ,
those relations which 'the Constitution had esta,,
blished between the Church and State, and the, rules.'
by which they were reciprocally governed and regtilated.,
His Hon. and Learned Friend (Mr. H. 'Nisi) bad Lead.
to the House that evening some very valuable records;
but really he wished that his Hon. and Learned Friend
would refer to other parts of those records, and other
authorities, that he had overlooked. ilk Hon. and
Learned Friend, in the very outset of his speech, de-
clared he intended by it to prove that the exclusion of
the Roman Catholics first passed into a law under the
Act 30th of Charles ll.—an Act passed, Undoubtedly,
at a time when the country was in a state 'of great fer-
ment; thit such exclusion entirely reposed on that
statute originally, and on the penal statutes subse-
quently enacted in furtherance of the same object t but
here he entirely differed from his Hon. and Learned
Friend, because he would contend that the exclusion of
the Roman Catholics was quite cdeval with ti e Retest-
mation-(Hear). He, begged to refer to the sth of
Elisabeth, where it would be found that every Knights
Burgess, &c. before he could -sit in that H iuse., was
obliged to take an oath, wh'ch, if his Hon. Fr iend would
be content to administer; instead of the Test or Abjura-
tion Oath, he (Mr. Peel) would be satisfied—(l laugh).
The Honourable and Learned Gentleman had also
pointed 'out an Act which was passed in the reign of
Edward VI. and had quoted the preamble, the language
of which he considered to be very beautiful and int- .
pressive, and which was to this effect: " But as in tem-
pest or storm one coirse vest is convenient; in better or
milder weather a lighter and more liberal garment, both
may and ought to be used," &c. Naw he (Mr. Pael)
being anxious to ascertain what was the" light and li.
bete-garment" used in the reign of Edward VI. in re.
specs of these matters, had found, on perusing the Act,
the preamble of which appeared so beautiful and im-
pressive to his Honourable Fri,;nd, that it was one under
which, for the very speech that learned Gentleman had
this very night delivered. he would have been put to
death—(Leuginer, and cries of Hear). "If any person
shall by any writieg, word, deed, or act, affirm, or set
forth, or assert,"—in short should deny the King's
suptensacy,then, " he and all his eiders, anettors, and '
comforters" (that would be the Honourable and
Learned Member for Wootton Basset, and all the Gen:
tlemen disposed to support' him) (Laughter) "ihould
incur and suffer the-penalty of death,""&e. (Heer, keit). •
A light and liberal vest, truly, his-.Honourable and-
Learned Friend bad selected for his purpose.. Helble. •
Peel) could only say that he required no suit laws; Oil
this subject, as those of Edward VI. His appreliellrni
sions of danger fronithe removal in any degree r.rtety,
existing barriers against the Roman Catholic religienn
and influence were in no degree weakened by the *OW
to which the House had come-a-that it, was " fit end"
expedient" to make provision for the Roman eathelidi
ektgy. It was singular that his Right Hcatmenallii*
Friend (Mr. Huskisson) should object to remove,' Ole'
said, the provision in question from the controul of Par-
liament, as in the case of some bodies of Dissenters;
because; if so, why bad his Right Honourable Priced
concurred in the vote for its being " fit and expediewt
to make provision by law r and in so far, a provision
not under the immediate coupon' of Parliament ; for
what else did his Right Honourable Friend, underst,od
by 11 a provision by law?" He must in this place
strongly contend, that if ever there was a creation
which ought to be reserved for the execuliVe to dish
with, it was the relation in which the Roman Cathigc.
Clergy should stand with the Government—(.Hest).
As to the establishment of that C.ergy be (3dr. terel)
had certainly heard two propisitions asserted in tfitht
House, of which one regarded a scale of aUoilie4it,
such as 1.500,1. a-yeast for an Arcbbirhop,l.oolllkalear
for a Bishop, 2001. a-year for a Priest,. ice. The other
was in effect this—that the founds' for the pupating- of
these allowances were not to be taken out of the pro-
duce of the taxes, but out of the resources. of ,the
Church. Neither of these propositions or explina.
tions was calculated to remove his (Mr. Peel's) objec-
tions to the proposed provision ; though he would
not say but that it might be necessary hereafter to
consider of the propriety of making souse sat or
other of provision for this clam of persons. Toe
evidence of Dr. Doyle went clearly to express an- un-
hesitating opin:on, that let the Pope state whatever he
would in regard to the doctrine of the Church of Ire-
land, the Catholics were bound to acquiesce in the di-
rections of the Pope. On this account, again, he (Mr.
Peel) was of opinion, that the vote of the when night
was a most important one; and continued_ subsequent
reflection had justified to his own mind the advice
which be had ventured to give the House on that oc-
casion—that they should pause long'before they *agreed
to such a vote. Without at all disguising from himself
the difficulty of the two only alternatives which they
wee told the House had to choose between ors the pre-
sent occasion, he thought there was yet another plan to
be proposed, which ought, at least, toigs no dissatis-
faction to the. parties it applied to. lithe Legislature
and the chief executive offices in the Protestant Go-
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