Star.
London, England, 1815-03-09 00:00:00

CARLISLE PETITION.

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Mr. BARING held in his hand a Petition from the
City of Carlisle, signed by between five and 6000
persons, almost the whole population of the place an 1
its neighbourhood. Unlike the rest of the Petitions
presented on the same subject, it contained two
prayers. The petitioners seemed to think the Board
of Agriculture an evil, and though it did not pray
for Parliameetary Reform, it expressed a hope that
the conduct of Parliament would evince that the state
of the Representation was such as to afford protec-
Con to the people, by rejecting the measure now in
consideration. Whatever was his own opinion re-
specting the state of the Representation, he entirely
concurred with the sentiments contained in the Peti-
tion, for nothing so strongly proved the want of suf-
ficient attention on the part of the Legislature to the
sense of the People, as the continuance of the Corn
Bill, after so many Petitions hail been produced
against it.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM stated, that the popula-
tion of Carlisle and its vicinity amounted to 9000, so
that the Petition was signed by fully two-thirds of the
whole. He concurred entirely with the sentiments
expressed by the Petitioners. He would have been
satisfied had the protection price been fiend at 725.
so as to obtain 80 or 85s. as the average price of the
best wheat. In saying this, he spoke.the sentiments
of some of the first Landholders in the kingdom with
whom he Lad conversed, and who assured him that
70 or 725. would be a sufficient price for the protec-
tion and encouragement of agriculture. Notwith-
standing what had been said, rent formed the most
material part of the burthens on the farmers. If
Landholders would consent to reduce their rents mo-
derately, and the tythe-owners be satisfied with a fair
compensation, in a short time the price of labour,
which was already considerably reduced, would fall
to one-third of what it had been; was the price of
corn alone then to be kept up ? It that was the case,
our manufacturers would be driven out of this coun-
try. If they saw any protection held out to them in
Flanders or France, they would and must leeve this
eourory. It was urged, that on some kinds of land,
farmers could not raise duce quarters of wheat for less
than £18; but was Parli ;meet to maintain a high
price of grain in order to support them in an other-
wise ruinous speculation ? If so, we might see Black-
heath and other barren places attempted to be turned
into corn fields at an expellee which could net repay
itself without the aasistanee of this MUM/. He
would certainly not yield to a popular clamour; nei-
ther would he pass an unwise Bill, because a popular
clamour was raised against it. He implored furthet
delay. lie wished that honest Agriculturists and
Stuveyors, not employed• for the sole purpose of
raising rents, but to regulnte them fairly, should be
examined on the protection necessary to be afforded
to agriculture. If they fixed on 80s. as the proper
price, he would then support it ; but he was now
convinced that either 70 or 725. would be sufficient.

Mr. FAUSSET wished that the measure should
be of a temporary nature.
Mr. HAWTHORN at first had thought Ns. too
high a price, but having applied his mind to the sub-
jrct, he had come to the conclusion, that in order to
secure to the farmer a price somewhat under that it
was necessary to make the protection Ws. What
had been said respecting the expence of cultivation,
did not apply solely to the new enclosed lands, but
to old wheat lands, a great deal of which could not
produce without the most expensive manure. Unless
the present measure were adopted, much land would
be thrown out of cultivation and the price a corn
would rise fir higher.
Mr. CALCRAFL thought that if lands, which
for ten years had been forced into the cultivation of
wheat, could not keep in that state without the sti-
mulus which the present measure would give, it
would he preferable they should be thrown. out of
culture. He wi,s pleased that the Honourable Ba-
ronet, a man of great experience, should, after ma-
tore deliberation, have fixed on the very price which
he had proposed. It was a monstrous argument to
he4r tile farmers represented as crushed under the
weight of taxes and poor-rates, whilst no mention
was ever made of the word rent. He wished the
House would not enact that which would render the
respectable class of the-. Landholders odious in the
eyes of the country.
After some obi:creations from SW James Gasman,
Mr. Meravau, Alderman Amu. And M. SHAW
LEFEvnE, who stated, that in the pan ti the country
which he had the !umlaut to represeht, wheat had
already risen to Ns. a quartet, and was still rising.
Mr. DARING explained.
Mr. FRANKLAND LEWIS complafned that
the mode of taking the average Would deprive the
farmers of the benefit which they would derive huh
the meanie.
Mr. J. P. GRANT stated, that a fall had taken
place in the Corn Market last Friday, since which
time no great sale had been effected:
The Petition was then read, and ordered to lie on
the table.

Mr PHILLIPS presented a Petition against the
Corn Bills from the Journeymen Taylors belonging
to the House of Call, Clare-market.—Ordered to
lie on the table.
Mr. HURST presented a Petition to the same
effect from the town and neighbourhood of Horsham.
Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. ROBERT' WARD brought up an Account
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of the effective Or , gth of the Royal Regiment of
Artillery and Pion s.
IQRATION.

Mr. HORNER asked information of the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer on a subject connected with
the consequences of the Bill which was now passing
through the House ? He wished to know whether
his Majesty's Ministers had already proceeded to give
encouragement to the emigration of Mimi; so bjectf.

Ire held in his band a public advertisement of a per.
Ann in •Scotland, representing himself as an autho-
rised agent, and stating that it was the intention of
Government to encourage settlers from this country
and Ireland to pass over to his Majesty's eplonies in
North Americas., ant that be should provide them
with ships. Herequested to know whether this state.,
went Was correct, and any instructions had been is.
sued by Government to afford encouragement to
emigration ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
replied, that he could not
give any information re-
specting this particular advertisement but that it.
was In his Majesty's Government's contemplation to
divert emigration to the United States, by encou-
raging it to our own colonies.
Mr. HORNER then stated, that on an early day
he would move for particular information on this
subject.
CORN LAWS.
Mr. ROBINSON having moved that the Report
of the Corn Committee be brought up,
Sir GILBERT HEATHCOTE, after some ob-
servations, in which he alluded to the speech of an
Honourable Member (Mr. Yorke) which he had not
heard, but which he understood represented agricul-
ture as far more important to the country than the
prosperity of our manufactures, moved as au amend.
meat, that the Report be brought up this day six
months.
Mr. YORKE denied having made use of such
language respecting the manufactures of the country.
Lord NUGENT rose to second the amendment.
He said, that on the same grounds on which the
other night he had voted against going. into a Com-
mittee, he now should give his hearty and decided
vote against receiving the Report. Under an im-
pression of the difficulties with which the question
was surrounded, and the importance of the interests
involved, be had not without some hesitation arrived
at a decided opinion by which to direct his conduct.
But the question, as it now stood, involved other
considerations besides those of the ultimate expe-
diency of the legislative measure. He thought the
question had been hurried through the House, up to
Its present stage, in a manner indecorous to Parlia-
ment, and injurious to the People of England. Oa
la question of such intricacy and such importance to
our commercial as well as landed inteicA, time
ought to have been given to Members to instruct and
satisfy their own minds, so that, even should they be
disposed to concur in the necessity of the Bill, they
might have means and opportunity to occupy and re-
concile, the wishes and feelings of their constituents.
No such opportunity had been given, and the Bill
had been hurried through with a haste ill becoming
the importance of the subject or the gravity of Par-
liament.—(Near, hear, hear!)—The people of Eng-
land were at the doors; he meant not in riotous and
tumultuous meeting, but in respectful, constitutional,
and rightful remonstrance—by way of petition.—
(liear.)—This was not a moment for hurrying such
a Bill, or for running, as it were, a race for time
against the petitions of the people. He trusted he
was as little disposed as any man who heard him to
concede any thing to the outcry of a mob; which
was as contemptible at it was violent. He hoped
that he felt as strongly as any man, that the elf4lU.
rations of the House, to be useful to their country,
must be unbiassed and untimidated; and that he
never would compromise the freedom of so important
an agency. But, on the other hand, as an humble
individual sitting in that House, he could nct con-
sent that the people of England should be thrust
from the Bar without time for petition, nor that the
voices of those by whose franchise Gentlemen sat
there should be unheard or disregarded.—(//ear.)—
Besides this view of the subject, on which he mainly
and readily rested bis vote, there were several coins.
derations on which he should pause, both as to the
justice and the policy of the measure. He thought
that it was imposing a high standard price on an ar-
ticle, which, as it had fluetuated under the burthens
and chances of war, so would it under the influence
of peace find its own proper and natural level. The
measure would, he thought, encourage to an alarm.
:ng extent, emigration among the middling orders,
particularly among manufacturers, who would export
arts, enterprize, and hand's to those countries where
sustenance was cheaper, and the wages of labour
corresponded better with the means of life.—(lfear.)
He thought no case had been made out to convince
the House that this minimum standard would have
the ultimate effect of keeping corn at a more mode-
rate level ; but he was convinced that the immediate
operation of it would be the reducing the labouring
class to a more wretched dependance on parochial
assistance than the Poor Laws had already placed
them in. It belonged to older men than he to reco)i.
lect the good days of the English peasantry. The
high -and honourable pride which once kept the pea-
sant from stooping to parochial relief was now ex-
tinct ; the possibility of his maintaining himself and
his family by honest labour was now no more; and
laws such at these would perpetuate this wretched
change—would make it worse, and bring down a
free and gallant peasantry to the abject sutra
jof the soil. The English peasantry had don* Mu
in our support—had made many sacrifices through It
lung, arduous, and, at one time, nearly hopeless war.
We had animated their exertions, by bidding them
look to the blessings of peace, whenever, under Pao.
emetics, peace should arrive. They had abided
with us, and for us, " the pelting of the storm."—
The storm was overpast, and what is the poor man's
reward in peace ? What are the blessings of peace
to the poor man ? Do they consist in a lower price
to bins for his luxuries or his pleasures ? No.—ln
the low price of bread. How do you render the
blessings of peace•intelligible to k poor man's mind ?
13 talking to him of a lower price of his daily bread.
(Hear, hear.)—And now we barbarously and insult-
ingly tell him to enter with us into an abstract and
distant speculation on a standard price of corn, which
begins by raising it, and by placing him for ever a
wretched dependent on the loathsome bounty of a
parish overseer. lie had never given a pore cordial
or eager vote than the one he should siyeicar the
nourable Baronet's amendment.
Mr. DOUGLAS gave his complete acquiescence
to the principle of the Bill, but rather wished for a
lower price. He had no hesitation in saying that
the peasantry of England were not inferior to these
the most favourer! countries. Agriculture had
done more for commerce than commerce for avi-
culture. Much agitation would ham:been prevented,

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hail the idea of Omit& *amity seen entettained.—
The object of the measure, he coneeisu4. wouldsbe to
create a Permanent defence against the evils of fatnir.
Mr. PHILLIPS maintained the contrary positian,
that it was commerce din had stimulaned epic '-
Wm, and not agriculture commerce. He didiint see
iii what way this restriction was to poduce cheap
ness and permanent plenty. If rents were naturally
and justifiably high they might be supported, but no
artificial means Amdd.be adopted to keep them in a
stale of undue rise. He thought all the praise be-
stowed on agriculture had been lavished with the
view of depreciating our manufactures. He should
regret that die Bill should become a law. It would
then be necessary for the advocates of the measure,
however, to use the best means in their power to al.
lesiate the ferment which it had excited.
Mr. WELLESLEY POLE expressed his entire
satisfaction at the manner in which the measure had
been breught forward by his Honourable Friend.—
After all that had been said in the House it was im-
possible not to feel that the price of eighty shillings
was necessary to supply our own market. He was
of opinion that the measure should not be clogged
with any intricacy of average. He proceeded to
argue, that though rents had doubled within the last
twenty years, landholders should not be asked togive
up one quarter of their incomes. If they did give up
so much, where would manufacturers find a vent for
their manufactures ? If the Bill should pass, the
agriculture of Ireland, which had of laT yemsllon-
tithed so much, would in a little time supply the en.
tire demand of this counsry, and it world take this
country's manufactures in return. The measure
would prevent the fluctuation to which the country,
in case of depending on foreign corn, would be sob-
ject from without, and would give confidence to the
farmer within, He therefore hoped the House would
give up no part of it. The measure had been three
years under discussion. No number of Petitions, no
clamour outside of doors, would make him alter or
delay it, for he was confident that would prove most
highly beneficial to the country.
Sir MATTHEW RIDLEY said, that from the
two Reports on the table, it was clear that there was
an absolute necessity for some measure. The only
question then was, as to the extent of the protecting
price. He considered the price now fixed too high,
and was sure that the liberal Landlords of England
would make that reduction on the rents which cir-
cumstances would require.
Mr. METHUEN said that the measure ought not
to be hurried, for the numerous Petitions which had
been presented on the subject, deserved, at least. that
it should be proceeded on with deliberation. There
was a difference between clamour and mob, and the
people constitutionally expressing their voice on a
measure. By the former he would not be at all
swayed ; to the latter he would pay every attention.
Mr. CALCRAFT said, that so many new cir-
cumstances had intervened since the reports on this
subject had been made, that there was ample ground
for tardier consideration. He combated the Right
Hooourable Gentleman's (Mr. Wellesley Pole) as-.
sertion, that the measure had been three years under
discussion. Had there been peace three years ago ?
had the price of labour fallen three years ago ?-...was
the Property Tax taken off three years ago ?-a-how,
therefore, could a measure applying to those circum.
stances be under discussion three years ago ? He
agreed with the Right Hon. Gentleman that Ireland
ought to have the monopoly of this coun:ry as far as
was consistent with the general interests of the Em-
pire. But he was convinced 7th. WAS a sufficient pro-
tecting price for Ireland as well as fur England.—
Corn was raised cheaper in Ireland than in England,
and of course what was a sufficient protecting price ,
for the latter must be fur the former. Agticulture
should have a sufficient protection, but not too high
for other things. Rents must fall and they ought to
fall—high rents proceeded Irvin high prices, but
when the high prices fell, the reins ought to fall. A
man would be as well off ‘‘ith a low income when
prices were haw, as with a high income when things
were high. The intent of the Bill was to clinch the
resat' high rents. if prices tell, neither farmer nor
labourer would suffer by it. The consequences of
the 13dt would be to raise the price of proviiions to
the agricultural labourer in a higher degree than his
wages, and how could such a measure be said to
be a benefit to him ? As to Ireland and Scotland,
wheaten bread was not the subsistence of the lower
classes of the people of those countries. Potatoes
formed the food of those of the former—oaten bread
that of the latter. He thought the numerous peti-
tions presented against the measure deserved atten-
von, and though he would be far from being at all
influenced by those mobs, wh:ch he considered so dis-
graceful and so injurious to the cause he had under-
taken, that the voice of the people constitutionally
expressed ought always to have its weight. If he had
nothing but the base and disgraceful conduct of the
rabble of London to consider, he should leave the
House without saying a word farther against the
measure—but when he considered the general im-
portance of the subject, he should attend to it to
; the last.

Mr. CHARLES LONG was sure. that if any
class were particularly benefited by the measure, it
would be the poor. lithe farmer did nut get a suffi-
cient price for his produce, he could not employ la-
bourers, nor pay his rent, and then the manufacturer
would hare uo one to buy his manufactures, and
consequently could not employ the poor. Rents were
not, generally speaking, exorbitant. Rests held only
the same proportion to the manufactures now as tkey
did twenty years ago. He could not consider that
there was any precipitation in passing this 13111.
There were many would probably stilt speak on the
question, and lie did not suppose they would bring
many new ideas to it. How then could a subject,
which had been so discussed as to be extremely ex-
hausted, be said to be precipitated ? He thought
that 80s. was not too high a price, and should there-
fore support the measure.
Mr. ftIARCHBANK said, that if the Bill did not
pass it would be destructive to those farmers who had
laid:out great capitals in the improvement of their
lands.

Mr. CALCRAYT and Mr. MARCIIBANK explained.
Mr. FINLAY was convinced that the price WAS too
high, and should therefore vote for the amendment.
Mr. HUSKISSON said, that when the Report
was brought up, surely it would be competent to any
Member to propose say lower price, and he therefore
wished that the Report may be recomMittikl ; but if

the athenetment was canted, a lowa- prii4 could re
be proposed.
Mr. FINLAY said a rew Bill cruld be: hrretelit it
Mr. TIERNEY said that he s'e old deity' y tee
Otte could to prevent rapidity in passing tire measure.
If Gentlemen would say that the report should t
reed mild pro forma, he would consent to it ; but i
they meant only to gain one step by pyieg
armaments could be hereafter proposed, be and,
oppose it in every stage.
Mr. PRESTON said, that a less price would b
only deceiving the House and the country.
to Mr. BARING said, that he %multi consent e
withdraw the Amendment if Gentkrinen syeei
pledge themselves that the Report should be pull
I read pro forma. But as he could not srppnee dee t! ,
would agree to so gracious a measme, he weele
sist on dividing the House. No former ne: eeee
this description had been so precio;. *1'.(.113t;
Corn Bills had been printed, and left fur the purpate
of collecting the sense of the country.
Mr. CHA RL ES FORBES thought SOs. too high;
and should therefore vote for the Amendment.
' A division then took place, when tl nun:!,e%
were—Against the Amendment ItiB-I'or it
Majority_ 1 IS..
On our re-admittance into the gallery, we found
Mr. BARING complaining of the precipite: ,n tw ith
which the Bill was attempted to be hureied l'eceugh
the House. He said he would prefer a ptotect,ou tt;
out' agriculture by a duty on. foreign, rather than by
prohibiting it. By the latter we would rut money
into the pockets of foreigners; by the farmer us
weuld give it to our revenue. Ministers tirons,-in ;n
the BM fi r the purpose of catching a litt:k !meal.
city-- (No, no, from the Treasury beeches): They did
not ? why, then they disliked popularity.' lie had
spoken to several men of information outside of
on the subject of the Bill, and they all aetteJ, that
a protection to our agriculture by duty of ((reign
corn was far preferable. Why then such hurry i
The county of Wiltshire, he believed, met on this
very day to petition against the Bill. The. petition
he had this night laid on the table from Carlisle had
not half the number of signatures that would be af.
fixed to it had there been time. The reason, the Mi.
nisters give for this precipitation is the ferment of the
public mind. The disturbances in Westminster he
considered very disgraceful to the Police Ma4ivr
There WAS gross neglect on their parts. ';lie win•
dows of the President of the Board of Trade, he L.
lieved were sactificed to it. There was pert/et trate
quality in the City, where a petition againse the oil.
noxious Bill had been signed by, seventy ire eighty
thousand persons. Even the meeting of Weserninster
on the subject, had been perfectly orderly, The Ho.
nourable Gentleman went on to obset ye, the* he left
as great an anxiety as any man in that Heue., to pro-
mote the prosperity of Ireland ; but the itt its
present form would certainly be a curse to thgland,
whatever it might be to Ireland. As a land's!. pro-
prietor, he cared not one sixpence about the price of
his ants, provided tl:e .enants were good. if this
country were confiaed to its own growth, a tome].
failure in the crops might be calculat d tipor toner in
every three years; a fact 'which cxperielce had
proved to be the average et deficient prodite. We
tbeeefore could not depend with any degree of cer-
tainty upon our own supplies ; and 'unless 'ftweige
corn were to be allowed to time in with literality.
we.should never be able to command ; times
of scarcity. He concludtei with Aiervingethat
would not have risen if be had not wished ti intreat
the aerie not to shew that precipitatrey in tmilig
rid of the measure, which was actually like die ope.
ratioa of cowardice in their minds at die prodvedings
bat had taken place out of doors. It wee unjust
towards the public thus to persevere night al+ eteht
in hurrying off the measure. What he would recom-
mend would he to let the Bill go through all ie
stages with time for full deliberation. He .chuul.,
therefore move, that, instead of ts now," the
be further considered on the first Monday all the
E ester Re:e's.

Mr. ROBINSON said, that as every third which
had been dime by him had been grossly taisrerre-
sented, he would not suffer any statement which cen-
sured the part he had taken to pass cannot red or 111,-
refuted. He desired to know what the lionounds:e
Gentleman (Mr. Baring) meant by the asserti,•::,
that he (Mr. Robinson) had sacrificed tl,e list ivy:-
rests of the country for the sake of catching a little
popularity ?—( Loud cries of Hear, hear.)--ithat
had done in preferring a prohibiting price to a duty,
he knew to be for the best interests of the country ;
and he repeated, that he called upoa the Hon. Gan-
tienrm to explain hi meaning.
Mr. BARING explained, that so far fiat consi-
dering the conduct of the Honourable Gentleman in
any personal light, he had made no allusion Ihatever
to him in that way. He had merely stated, that i:
was the generally prevailing opinion, that a duty
would be preferable to a prohibitory price. He
would say, that he apprehended his Majesty's
stets, in bringing forward this measure, :sad bt;,,-
posed that the word duty would be misuasiersto:d
and unpopular.
Mr. ROBINSON rejoined, that as the Honourable
Gentleman had said that his remarks were not merit
to apply to him as an individual concerned in briag-
ing forward the measure, he had not a wish beyoul
such an explanation.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
rose with much warmth to repel die insinu.itiont.
the Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Baring) respec:;n;
the cause of what he called I.recipitation. When i.r
heard the conduct of the House censured as inde-
cently precipitated, be would repel the charge with
that degree of firmness which every Member imp
to show upon such an occasion. If the House. ft
the course of the consideration of the Bill been
them, had made any great alteration in the plans of
his Honourable Friend, so that they appeared &E.:•
rent from their original state, there might have bi•r.
some reason adduced for procrastioation; but as the
had not been the case, he did not think that any I):
cessity existed for delay. He therefore trusted the
House would nat suffer themselves to be taunted in
the insinu.stion of cov►ardice—(Leer! aid law contouh,
chseriser)—and be thus induced to defer bringing t:.
question to an immediate conclusion, or at feast n
settle it with all possible speed. He world &nil)
deny that the House bad been at all influenced 3)
the disturbances about which soauuch had been sari
but•he would not deny his apprehension On; any can
necessary print action of the measure might kodtingc

the peace ot tit e metropolis. .There Would be much
ire re reason for the charge of cowardice if the Hong
were t , give. way, in every stage of the tneastire v.
.1e ,bre. nenings of a riotous and outrageous mob- -
:Lod and reiterated cheering.) Having said. these
0e words. hr Must now h g leave to refute some of
be charges which the Hon. Gentleman had chosen
~, ;brow out against his Majeity's Minister's:l Ht•
accused theta of sacrificing their opinionZa
for popularity. How far they had either.
obtained popularity by the measure at* lie
sr enough, from the language and conet
„ people, whose passions, he would contend, had
,fr artificially excited and inflamed by what they
Al heard against the measure, without understand-
,, i:s tendency or nature. If he had changed hit
and preferred the prolabition to the duty, he
had an opportunity of stating his reasons for the
Zerences :woe tie did tint think it necessary to foi-
e: the example of the 54nn. Gentleman, by repeat-1
the same speech flee or s:e times over. (Loud
;,;iing, and fries el hear, heAr.). He had never insi-
:Lilted any thing but respect for those petitioners who
.‘lsent up their parchments to the House ; nor had
e thought
proper even to direr from their conclu-
ans. But he would not be deterred from cansider-
their reasonings as fallacious, and he would say
• those worthy Magistrates of London, who were so
'form in their opinions on the subject, that it would
eonle them to set open again the doors of their
zyptian Hall to the tens of thousands who had
Feed the petition, and say to them-44 You km,
• induced to, approach Parliament on the autho-
: :t of our statements,but we now find them to be un-
;:ded, and let us, therefore, either get better infor-
:tion, or not petition Parliament at all." It was
that people did not see that by the protec-
.:4 price a preference WAS given to our own agricul-
:re' over that of foreigners. He wished to see a
)oral system of intercourse and commerce with
mice, but not to place our confidence so much in
%ince as to make our subsistence depend upon her,
- upon any other country, when we might most re-
.;ile it. He hoped and believed that the peace be.
teen the two countries, would be one of real amity
al long continuance ; but nothing was so likely to
:canon an unsteadiness of price, in corn, as a depen-
• nice upon foreign supply, which we should not be
tie to command. . It was very improbable, that the
op would fail at one time in every part of the king.
NU ; but it under the pressdre of extraordinary cit..
anaances a foreign supply was required, it would
song:it for, and he hoped we should find it. For
: security sof a steady supply of corn this country
as happily situated ; it would always be a station
the import and deposit of corn, as well from the
oatinent as from America ; and the grain coming to
tic a foreign market it would be applied to our use
!,en it might be wanted ; it would be drawn out of
a warehouses long before the price should rise to
e height of the prohibition, and thus we should al-
• iys find a supply till other arrangements were effec-
.:. It was an evil hour when, about forty years
we departed from that system under which this
:.ntry had always !ound plenty ; and he hoped,
at we should now return to that system, the advan-
ges of which had been so evident and so consider-
e. Nov no, front several )
Oir JAMES SHAW complained of the stigma
:ich the sight Hun. Gentlemen bad earn ea the
lgistrates of the City. 1 heir statements had not'
en made Loosely, but on the authority of persons
act- acquainted with the Corn Trade than the ma-
:74y of those who sat in that House. He would
?eat that these statements had. been completely
me out, and he much feared that if the Bat passed
e result would confirm his opinion.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT repeated many of his
'guments in favour of the claims of Ireland. He
;soled that Ireland was greatly undertexed, as had
!en asserted; but, on the contrary, that she had
'en taxed, in proportion to her ability, as much as
is couno y.
Mr. STUART WORTI.EY spoke is favour of
e price t,f Bos. which did nut appear, in his mind,
.osithstanding all the d‘clainations lie had heard.
Aeulated to raise the price of bread to an extrava
• its degree beyond the relative.price of all other at.
•les. 1-1:: was 41%0 convinced ;h stthe result of th.
• :11 wou,d he to reslui.e rents in general. The eel--
1:a id' •ct wow d he a reduction in the price. of corn,
• al C..use a reduction in the price 54 rents. He was
'lling to vtde for B:is. in ord: r to give a re-nunerat-
re rice to tile twiner. it WAS not necessary to
nit ; for i; !tad 1), ea arrted on all sides of the
• aiuse that saint the, g was necessary to be done for
t relief of aeti:ulture y.t the Petitions are not
►,aitist any alterations in the price. but against all
:teration whatever. He &so 765. would prove
2 fair remunerating price; but the protect ng pric.
s,Guid be something higher.
Mr. WILLIAM SMI l'H defended the consluc,
his Honourable Friend (Mr. Baring,) and added,
at he wished the reception of the Report to be
istponed till after Easter, because he did not wish
see. the House pledged against the common 'anti-
tnt of the Public. He thought the Petitions ought
have due weight with the House, and he should
think so highly of the House as he was iticlinedl
t' do, if they did not give them proper attention.
A division then took place en Mr. Benttro's
t.mendment.
For it 57—Against it 206 -Majority for the ins-
. idiate reception of the Report 149.
The SPEAKER then stated, that the House had
"w to agree to the
1' the particular amendments adopted
Committee. The first question v. ould be, that
House do agree to the amendment whirls fixed
ie price 80s. All persons who were in favour of a
' 'wet prohibitory price would of course negative this
• kousition.
Another division ensued, when there appearedr-
the price of 80s. 186—Against it 78—Majo-
...y 106.
While strangers were excluded, a discussion arose
4
the resolutions for fixing the importation price of
)di, Barley, &c. These were finally passed mithout
division.
The Gallery having been re-opened-
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CHANCELLOR of the LICHEeR
'`'red that the Bill should be read a third
on.
'"lay next, and then engrossed.
Mr. BARING objected to so early a day being
need for the third :reading. He thought no-iM,
1-,oath measure bad ever been so indecently buried
'rough the House. The whole country• was now in

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',the progress of eipresslng iu sense of the meant*?
I Ind time ougltt to he given to receive the Petitions
which lifer, nnw piwpariOg to be presented to that&
• tie m ved as an amendment, that the third reading
hhould he fired for. Friday fortnight.—(4 laagh, and
'el Cry of 's Good Friday.")—The Hon. Gentleman
corrected himselt, and named Friday se'nnight.
Sir GILBERT HEATHCOTE supported the
Amendment.

The House then divided, when the numbers were,l
For Mr. Baring's Amendment 46—Against it 220.,
Majority in Avow of the third reading being Hied
Friday, 174.

RIOTS.
When strangers were re-admitted;
Mi. wEsTE K if, cheered by the whole House,
was strongly insisting on the propriety of calling out
the military, when the civil power was not sufficiently
strung to repress the multitude out of doors, who
wished to infhence the proceedings of that House
by their vin?ence.

Lord CAS'I'LERBAGH thought what the Ho-
nourable Gentleman had just uttered must be in
unison with the feelings of every man in that House,
and with those of every man out of it who knew how
to value the British Constitution, and the blessings
which he enjoyed in this free and happy country—
(Hear, hear, hear.)—lf the Legislators of Great
Britain might not debate on those measures which to
them it should appear demanded their consideration,
without being threatened in their persons and injured
in their property, the liberties of Englishmen were
gone—( Hear, hear). And if the persons concerned in
the tumults out of doors thought their Representatives
in Parliament so lost to themselves, and forgetful of
their duty to the community, as to seller these dis-
graceful riots to have any influence on their conduct
—(Hear, hear.)—lf they thought their outrages
would incline them to the smallest relaxation —( Hear)
—they little knew what those who sat in that House
felt they owed to their own character, and to the in-
terests of those who sent them there—Wear, hear,

hear )—He hoped by their conduct that night, they
would teach the ignorant and infatuated persons (for
such he trusted they were) with whom these disor-
ders originated, that they knew their duty; and were
not to be deterred from performing it by clamour
nor by outrage. He, however, desired that that which
had occurred should not be exaggerated. Some
houses had certainly been attacked, and this, in a
city so large as London, might be easily effected by
a few wicked men, proceeding from one place to an.
other, bin it was right to state, the metropolis gene-
;ally had not been thrown into a state of clamour or
Idisaffection. The Police had not been negligent, but
no Police could prevent such attacks from being
made in different parts of the town under circum-
stances like the present. It would be false mercy not
to take the most effectual means to check such out-
rages ; the Honourable Gentleman might be assured
the Executive felt this to be their duty ; but a desire
to forbear as long as possible from proceeding to ex-
tremities, was, he was certain, that line of conduct
which would best secure the confidence of that
House.—(Hear, hear.) The Executive would firmly
stand by the Legislature, and make every exertion
the emergency of the case might demand to protect
them, and with them the liberties of the People.
Mr. WHITBREAD said, no one could dissent
from:he Honourable Gentleman and the Noble Lord
with respect to the disdain they had expressed fur the
attempts made out of doors to influence their delibe-
rations. If they had any effect, it was directly con.
trary to that intended to be produced. He knew it
had caused some, nay many Members, to vote for
the Bill, who had not before made up their minds to
do so. He differed from the Noble Laid with re-
spect to the Police; and, from the examinations which
bad taken place on Monday evening, he did not.
scruple to say, that those to whom the care of the
Metropolis was confided, had not done their duty.—
He had wished the House to come to a specific vote
on the conduct of the High Bailiff of Westminster,
but this suggestion was overruled. He wished some
ine connected with the office of the Secretary of State.
for the Home Department, would inform, what mea-
sures of precaution had, in the first iostance, been
...ken; what measures of prevention subsequently
adopted ; and what was the situation in which the
Metropolis now stood. He did not wish to exagge•
rate the facts, but when. it was known that the mob
had renewed their attack on the house of one Right
Honourable Gentleman at noon-day, he thought he
had a right to state, the present situation of things
was disgraceful to the P.‘lice of the country.
Mr. H. ADDINGTON was proceeding to state
what flow measures were, when he was called to
urder, there being no question before the House.
Mr, YONiONBY agreed in sentiment with the
Noble Lord, that lenity should be exercised—for no-
thing so much attracted popular attention as the dis-
play of it ; he therefore trusted that the people would,
of themselves, prove that this lenity was not inef-
fectual.
Mr. WHITBREAD thought that the necessity of
calling out a military force was caused by the neglect
,of the Civil Power, and would, on some future day,
require a detail of the measures adopted. No person
admired theexercise of lenity more than he did, but
he thought an excess of it too frequently terminated
in unnecessary severity.
Mr. YORKE said, that the Police were very de..'
fective, and that, unless some means were adopted
for protecting the Members of Parliament, in the dip
charge of their duty, it would be necessary for them
to meet in some other plane.
Alderman ATIUNS suggested the propriety of
promptly proposing a Bill for constituting an efficient
force of Magistrates and Constables in the different
parishes.
Mr. HUSKISSON.I4 Sir, after what we have
heard this night, I hope we shall not again be toll
that no foundation for alarm exists, except in the con-
sciousness of having given provocation—(Hear, hear.)
I do believe that much of the danger which three-
tens this metropolis arose from the manner in wbssh
this question has 'been treated by its opponents.+
(Hear, hear, hear.)-1 think I have heard, in thb
House, motives imputed to Members, which, if the
people out of doors-believed them to exist, were cal-
culated to produce the most mischievous results.
(Hear, hear.)-4 can conceive no other reason for
Frolonging this debate, night after night, exhausted
as the stibjecttas been, except for the purpose of
making °beer vations such as I have just described."
The SPEAKSILA—A I matt call to the myna-

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m
tist of the FtVg.Tfon. Gentlean, and of the Rouses
that eevefal Orders of the Day still remain to be sfis
posed ef." •
Mr. DARING.—" I claim the attention of the
House fbr a very few minutes. After the unpro.
waked attack made by the Right Hon. Gentleman
who has just sat down, it would surely be unfair to
let the conversation drop hers."—(Cries " 24,41
Ay* " Chair! .")
Mr. W. Frl-ZGER.A,LD.—" I rise to order. My
Might ties,. Friend having been interrupted by the
Plait, I. do not conceive that the Right of animad-
irersion remains with the Hon. Gentleman..(Orderl
irder 1)-.If my Honourable Friend be allowed to
I proceed, I am sure, in that case, i should be the last
person *ho would attempt to prevent the Honour-
able Gentleman from offering any thing he may think
proper in reply."_( Cries e Order I order I")
Mr. TIERNEY—" If the Right Honourable
Gentleman be not allowed to proceed with his ob-
servations, it will be extremely hard on the indivi.
dual thus precluded from reply. I think the Right
Honourable Gentleman onght to be permitted to
finish what he has to say, that my Honourable Friend
may have an opportunity of answering. It would
be unfelt to let such au implication remain unnoticed.
If this Right Honourable Gentleman has more to
advance against my Right Hon. Friend, or any other
Member, he should be allowed to state it. I beg and
implore of him to finish 'the charge, and let the
Members alluded to justify themselves in the face of
the' finse.s'.—(litar, &sr).
Mr.'W. FITZGERALD ••••44 t certainly did con-
ceive, that my Right Honourable Friend was called
to order, when he was proceeding with his speech.
No man was more anxious than I was, that the Ho-

nnurable Member should have an opportunity of re-
plying. Bit Ido think, Sir, when you interrupted
my Right Honourable Friend, that it would be con-
trary to the usual equity of our proceedings, to per-
mit observations to be made on an unfinished speech"
chair.)
The SPEAKER—" It appears to me, that the
House, in consequence of recent occurrences, had
gone into the investigation of matters of importance;
and, in alluding to them, the Right Hon. Gentleman
had gone a little farther than the limits of the in-
quiry demanded. In consequence, I felt it my duty
to interrupt him, by referring to the orders not yet
disposed of. If the Right Hon. Gentleman is de-
sirous of finishing his observations, it rests with the
House to permit him to do so—(Hear, hear,)—and
the Honourable Gentleman would then have an op-
portunity of stating what he deemed proper in an-
swer. After this interference, the more convenient
mode would perhaps be, to allow. the Right Hon.
Gentleman to finish, on reflection, any thing which
occurred to him. lam sure, his own reflection will
point out to him what is most proper to be Addressed
to the House."—(Hear.)
Mr. HUSIUSSON.g. I did, and do think, Sir,
that any such sentiment, even from a Member of this
House, as that • there was no foundation for alarm,
except what was produced by the consciousness of
having given provocation to the people,' was of a
nature which it became me to animadvert on as I
have done. I also observed, as I think I had a right
to do, that the line of argument pursued by some of
those who opposed the measure, imputed to the ma-
Witt of this House, motives the Moist mean and
unworthy—objects, the niost base and dishonourable.
(Near, hear.) —I, erefore, called on Gentlemen to
fay aside such insinuations—to discuss the measure
solely on its merits (which Was always the sound,
parliamentary course)—and to abstain from ascrib-
ing to individuals, principles which they unequivo-
cally disavowed, and objects which they explicitly
disclaimed."—(Hear, hear.)
Mr.BARING.“ Permit me, Sir, to tell the Right
Honourable Gentleman, that I have discharged my
duty in this House, as conscientiously, and much
in concurrence with the dictates of my judgment, as
he or any other Right Honourable Gentleman who
now' hears me; and, therefore, when he or his friends
speak of persons insulting the Members of that
House, and committing every species el atrocity,
and I afterwards see him get up, and by implication
attribute those excesses to any thing said by me, I
feel it doe to myself end to the House, to repel the
ins:nuation.—(l-har. hear).—I deny that any thing I
have said could have such an effect—l did nothing
more than make a fair and honest statement of my
sentiments. When the Right Honourable Gentleman
and his friends tell us, that we are not to be awed
by popular clamour of any description, was this
to be applied only to the supporters of the Bill ?
Am I, and others, to be awed from declaring our
op;nions, because a Rabble are at the doors of the
House, and the Magistrates have not done their duty
to disperse them ?—(Hear, hear.) I say, in my opi-
nion, there was no danger—(Hear, hear.) I think
there was none—none that ought to have precipitated
the passing of the Corn Bill—none to prevent this
House from proceeding in its regular and dignified
course on the subject--(Hear, hear.) That was all
that I said or maintained—( Cries of No, No.) . After
all the facts which have been stated to the House—
after all the narrations of riot.and disturbance—there
was not, in my mind, any one circumstance that
ought to have induced the House to recede a single
in. froth its ordinary course. The Right Hon. Gen-
tleman has, in a manner, charged me with imputing
improper motives to those who have supported the Bill.
If, Sir, this were the case, he ought to have stopped
one at the moment when I offended against the Or-
ders of the House. I must now say, Sir, that no-
thing shall deter mes this night, and on every other
opportunity, till the last moment that this measure
is before us, from discussing its merits, and offering,
in conformity with the regulations of the House,
such arguments and observations as I may think fit."
—(Lord sheers.)
The conversation here . and the House
proceeded to the other orders of day.
Lord PALMERSTON brought up the Ripeirt
the Mutiny /1111.
Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY proposed a clause to
prevent Courts Martial from sentencing offenders to
more than 100 lashes.
After some observations from Mr. Mammas Sur.
TON, Mr. WanaatAD, and Mr. W. WIND% Sir S.
RoMILLY agreed to withdraw the clause, until a fu-
ture period.
The Report wu then agreed to, and the Bill or-
dered to be reatt,be.thirsi tiszetulpiettow.
The House adjourned at half-past ono o'clock.

RIOTS, AT THE HOUSES OP Tiff LiVtD•
CHANCELLOR AND MR. RUBI.VSJN.

Bow..vrater.--Yesterday Jake Parrots and Homy
Wale:, who were found in the parlour 4if ine Lor t
Chancellor's h use; on Monday night, were put to
the bar. Serjeant Burt, of the third Chards, deposeJ,
that he was in the Museum Garden, when he heard
the cries of Lord and Lady Eldon for assistance;
and, in consesuence, he, with a party of his men, en.
:ered at the rear of the house, and found the dm:
and windows broken, and a mob shouting in front
of the house. He and his men dispersed the mob,
except the prisoners, who, reluslng to mrve, were
forced into the house at the point of the bayonet,
where they were detained till the arrival of
a Police Officer, who took them into custody.
Parrott stated himself; to be a stone-sawyer—that he
left his work in Golden-square, about sir in the even.
1 ian l
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with hiswh ay hom
owmhehohaed tod S
drank more
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rethao hebmet
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accustomed to do, which induced him to answer the
serjeant rather rudely, being at the s one tine con-
scious he had done nothing amiss. His master gave
him an excellent character.—Wales, an infirm old
man, said, he cleans shoes, &e. in the vicinity of
Bedford-square; that he bad nothing to do with the
mob ; that he had slipped off the kirb, and being lame
had difficulty in getting up, which was the c iuse of
his not removing when told by the military. The
Magistrates finding that they had no! been seen acting
in conjunction with the mob, ordered them to be dis-
charged,
J. Bislowe, a genteel young man, was charged
with being active in the mob before Mr. Robinson's
house on Tuesday night. D. Heron, a Constable,
stated that he saw the prisoner throw a stone and a
brick at the house, which split the wiudJw-shittter.
lie then, with assistance, took him into custody, after
considerable resistance from the mob. Atonic that
time fire arms were discharged from the house, by
persons stationed therein fur its protection, hut not
by the military. E. Popham, an (Azar of Union-
hall, confirmed the above testimony, and added, that
he firmly believed the intention of the mob was to
destroy the house. He also stated, that there was
no military in or about the house. He was the first
who seized the prisoner. The prisoner totally denied
having thrown any thing. He was remanded.
MARLBOROUGH-STREET.—,-a person apprehended as
being in the mob at Lord Bathurst's, Lord King's,
and Lord Harewood's, on Tuesday night, was
brought to this Office, in custody of an Officer, who
deposed to his being engaged in the mob : his hands
were muddy, as if employed in breaking the windows
of the different houses. When called upon to give
an account of himself, he said that he had belonged
to the Navy, but had been since servant to an
apothecary, and was out of place. He said he had
been to Compton-street, and had fallen down and
dirtied his hands. He was commired for trial.

QUEEN4QUARE.—Yesterday C. Farrel. was charged
with inciting a tumult. Several Officers deposed,
that in Palace-yard 1:e conjured the mechanics to rise
for wages, and as the Petitions against the Corn
Bill had no avail, to be firm and redress their own
wrongs. Amongst other things, he said, 64 Do nurse
of you remember Hampden, Russell, Sydney; and
do you not remember Oliver Cromwell, who so glo•
[piously dissolved* the P4rii.itiiiitt 1 We had Patriots
in those times, why should we not have them now ?
Patriots ! where all ye All?" And. ff They have
taken off the Property-tax, only to liy on one that
will scourge the poor man still worse. Rise !" &.z. It
was impossible for the OtEcets to interfere with him
there. Atter the meeting he adjourned to the Park,
mounted a tree, and again spcke in a
The Officers then succeeded in taking iiiin into cus-
tody, although great efforts were made to promote a
rescue. The prisoner, whose language and counte-
nance are prepossessing, is nut 20 years of age. He
said he was educated at a boarding•school, but after.
wards apprenticed to a harness-maker, owing to fa.
mily mistortnoes. He was now poor, and had not
bad work for fourteen weeks, but he was entitled to
money when he carve of age—he nev:i sp. ,ke oh Oliver
Cromwell, and certainly never wished to see such a
man amongst us. tie owned he had Jane wrong, •
but the mob forced him into the Park, and would
make him speak again. Mr. Fiea.oiNa; Low-toed that
such a young wan should have so acted, but h. must
be committed.
W. Wyman, who is also a working man out of em-
ploy, was charged with endeas outing to protiote a
rescue, and was remanded.
CORONNR'S INQUEST.—Yesterday an Inquest was
held before ANTHONY G ELL, Esq. at the Red Lion, in
Portland-street, Poland-street, upon the body of Ed-
ward Vyse, a midshipman, who met his death on
Tuesday night, in Burlington-street, Piccadilly, in
consequence of some shots having been discharged
from the house of Mr. Robinson. The liry having
been sworn, repaired to the St. James's W•
where they took a view of the body, atter which they
returned to the Red Lion, where the following evi-
' deuce was giv.a :
John Power deposed, that he is employed at Ibbet-
son's Hotel. On Tuesday night he was at the tor.
nor of Burlington and Clifforsi.streets. There were
then about forty persons present, and all were peace-
able and quiet. Witness saw the deceased walk
along the street, previous to which he heard a dis-
charge of fire-arms (at least three). The deceased
was upon Mr. Robinson's side of the way ;*vlien he
came opposite Mr. Robinson's house, he saw a flash
from the window, which was followed by a report,
and the deceased fell. Witness lifted him up, when
he appeared quite dead. Assisted by others, he car-
ried the deceased to the house of Mr. Kerrison, air-
port, in New Burlington-street, who it:commended
the body to be taken to the workhouse. He did not
know the deceased, but said he was walking quietly by.
There was no riot at the time : a brick or stone had
been previously thrown, which witness heard strike
against the wag or window of Mr. Robiusou's house.
There were very few persons near the deceased.—
Here the witness was asked by a Juror, whether, at
the actual moment when the shot was fired, there
was any riot or molestation offered to any individual
,in the street, or any outrage committing upon the
house of Mr. Robinson t Witness replied—MA tit!
least.
Robert Masters Kerrison deposed, that he is a sur-
geon, residing in New Burlington-street. At ten
o'clock ow Tuesday evening the deeeaseil was brought •
tb his house. Upon examining the body, be dis-