Star.
London, England, 1805-05-01 00:00:00

Mr. prTzcEßAtti Wanted to
and whenit teas finen-d'in.te move to .
The ATTORNE'Y GENERAL of
certain quellion wasiiiii peo ch • g in the
and when that was .over, he h ped no
occur in prnerofing fome fix& edam.
!
''_. .1 warm
MM.
Sir A. S. HAOND iu6ved for
the Navy board -to'ti, Adiiiralty, ..,
April, 1805 ; and of an inclefed fiktutirih ~og
to the asstiver of the i‘L*ylitrard to the Centrivittee
:of Naval Inquiry.
After a fgw. wore, fame lir C. Pot.),
Sir A. HAKMOND laid, that no time had been
loft in endeavouring to recover certain tnprries. Tte
matter had been We jsiefy.re the Law Officers.—Or-
dered7-T,he papy,Ws:' 1Te,.4 a6erivards brought up and
'LtiLl On the table.
saLsor Ps, 'f*, room reel ON THE Tt.111411 steerreei
The. OHAPICt it.f.:Oß 'pf- the ElErgpvgt,
McivenlieltqaiirY bretie!CO6inittee, which, I* are
'ciu'digisSir rml• Whoa theasasues wentread, which
we have already *jawed, '
Mr. W H IT Bjt EA D. enfe; 'anti' ofetve di Aid the.
liff contained Me: (Medi *ties lie had alireiidy
1 lead to the. Hoisre:"l'ls prosted that the 'geniis!
Ireport was welfoultsied. it was declared by the
decifion of the Hence, to be no breach of privilege
. to circulate frch a lift I but it would be thought a
breach were he to Rate, that fuch a liit was circu-
lated by the Treafury, ;hough of that fad he had
an doubt.—(A /41,40--Gentlemen wkight laugh, Ink
in his view of the fohjeel,.he thought the tranfac•
don highly difcrediahre to the Right Hon. Gentle.
man oppo4e. iit was ready to prove that circu-
lation— (No I No !)‘--lie believed many of thofe who
cried No, No, might he brought as his witnefres.—
The Right Hon. Gentleman fhould recollect how he.
Roo I. He had come forward and boldly taken upon
hitirrelf a greet rerponSbility as to the conduit in
which. Lord Melville had been concerned. He had
dared and challenged inveffigation. He had plumed
hirofelf on ,the purity of his individual chiraeter,
and confldetcd himielf as being, (hiring a long poli-
tical life, perfealy unimpeachable. '1 i-is was not
his ( Mr. Whitbread's) intention, at prefent, to qua-
don. He had moll magnanimonily declared his rea-
diners to go upon his ti ial ; but it did appear that
he wiflied to be tiled by a Pet of judges of his own
naming. To fuch conduit nnqueßionably a NO--
cion might attach, not very creditable to Mm, Sifter'
all he had Paid. His conduct, indeed, appeared
quite ludicrous. " Here t am;" Paid the 'tight LlO-
nourable Gentleman, " ready to meet any thing that
you have to fay."—" Well, will you name your
judges, one by one, by a fair and open eleetion,?".
—" No," lays he, " I don't mean that ; I will have
a ballot, and name my own judges : in other word.,
my nominees !" It was a fort of !ham fight on the
part of the Right Hon. Gentleman. He draws up
two divifions of his volunteers, Pets his Major at the
bead of thole oppofed to his own, and fettles bel;,re-
hand that be u to be victorious. He had entirely
withdrawn Lord Melville front the contideration of
the Conithittee, and had fubßituted limit g.diantly
himfelt, declaring, that there was nothing at all in.
the Tenth Report, from the beginning to end, in'
which his chara&er was in the yeti implicated. But,
in truth, he was under claderable fufpicions, par-.
titularly rerpeeting the ferret and delicate frantic-
Lions with Government, and the rico,: he had giveii
to Lord Melville for Mr. Jellicoe. Had he really
read the Tenth Report r He feemed to forget him- I
fell altogether when he raid he was quite oui Of the
quellion in that Report. The knowledge he mull
be luppofed to have had of the conduit of Lord
Melville; required that he fhould be cleared from
the fufpicion that mutt necerarily attach to the tranf-
aetions of that Noble Lord. Lord Melville is with-
drawn, and up (tarts the Right Hon. Gentleman,
and far, lam clear. It was an object to afcertain
whether an application was not made to him re-
fpeeting the transfer of the money from the BAnk.—
He felt he fhuuld be deficient in his duty did he not
call on the Houfe to lee who they were in whom
they were called riofr to confide for invelligalion,..
There were thofs who had made oath that they could
not attend an Elation Committee with con fcience to
public bufinefs. Lord Calllereagh had pofitively
llaorn, that his attendance *mild produce material
inconvenience; and fo had the Malltr of the )tolls,
on account of Chancery Suits and the Appeal Cattle.
Sir W. Scott, as Judge of the Admiralty, had done
the lame. Here %%ere three difqualified by oath front
the duties of this Committee—(lfear, Hear.) Was
this Committee likely to be lefs troublefome than
Election Committees, from which he believed they
had fworn off, not on fuch occafions as the Middle-
felt Committee, but generally on all Elation Com-
mittees ? It was their regular practice. Sir W.
Scott could not even bring in a Bill lag &Ilion
from his other avocations. The Houfe Purely meant
that every Member fhoeld he an efficient one in
fuch a Committee, and not a friend of the Right
Hon. Genlleinan's, and fome other new names, with-
out caring whether they attended or nut. The
Right Hon. Gentleman might chortle to have the
labours of the Noble Lod, and the name of the
Learned Gentleman. He would appeal to the Right
Hon. Gentle Man, whether he would will; to 'have
his Committee fubjeeted to fufpicions. He did not
mean to queftion the individual purity of his narniirfes
—(Near! Hear!)—or, if the term was liked better,
of his recommendrions. Did Gentlemen doubt that they
were fo ?—(Hear!)—would they go to the proof of
that fact he alledged ?—(Hear!)—Did not the Right
Hon. Gentleman, or his friends, circulate the hit ?
Did they not know the flee, difcreditable as it was?
He would put it to him, Itanding iii the place of
Lord Melville, magnanimous and gallant as he was,
whether it was proper to go to trial in fetch a mitlft ?
He had heard of a perfun playing at cards. haling
to name his own trumps. Time Right Hon. Gentleman •
minted to name all the cards, and who than play
them too. He meant no perfonal'difrerpea to the
individuals, but be bad great ()Nations to their poli-
tical connections with the Right Hon. Gentleman,
which, be thought, rendered them unfit perfons.—
He thought on fuck a charge, the Right Hon. Gen-
' tleman fhould not have thought of making his own
political friends his judges. That might not he the
/am Way; and thefijegway feemed to borefufed by
the ,Right Hon. Gentleman. He, for himself, in inch
a fituation, would not have desired to be tried by his
coadintors,, in !scare *herein his 61(10 and Ileadiefl
i politicil ally bid,* if had beep tspreircd in this very

ical

a difgrated a,
late. Efpecially
Illlereagl9, wla,
himlat Wl'fit'
Lord, from ihie
_ader thcorefent MOD,.
There was a RtglitHetts."Gx..
1711*h rank_Lifr.- FOilois alt -4
AIN ww.--saot-c,--who coul
_ phtstid de tt intent. He had. rads, .
ever retied he might hatre,foralien3, fee two country
Gentlestirn lit iiii places, iltdugh their Went* 444
knoWledge eflitfinefis trtighi bi?tiferior. The i4ltib#e
Lord (ealtlereaglt) was not merely a plactinan, but
a istiowsel piaceonisn. Nethitsg eoeld suove,hien. 'He
was not to belhalcestly pcibtical therms and tempefts,
they only bettudltim mate Bendy to his pMI. *That
Noble Lerchfautned invulnerable ; he laughed at the
con-Tuitions. of a•verimeat and partici,. Nothina
%WS 44,nst
•earths:teaks could fink •hists. his ;had
been already celebrated for having taro tkingsanitis
bows Paul -13 e kept his birth aiwaysitretsg. He feetn-
lcil'Agt to .have two Oriags map to his low, but att
tatany as wcertain perfoti was.nartd-for having to his
LA-ier. He was in power. in Abe ;Bight Lion. a:e'entle-
ma.n's laft Adraiiiilratioa. .the
polarised fame fer-
• vices at the Union ; after the Union, leaving Ireland,
fee came here, and was in place again. That admi-
niaration Went out, on, a fpecifw ;Oahe grostod. sad
inothe; came in on asettfol* *4474PriaciNg ; Aka LW'
the 'Noble Lord clung ,tp,soffice,...and kegs. in p/tack-rw
tha'Nfiniltry was corned oat by the help 9Ehis.
Honourable friend I. het Oen wits the
again in
.talarte; *lst I 4sts#r Isblit sii,,..!Afitfl:. eMI, .1-
fie didwor Otglgoofewl ,4sl."Mipi la
all tho 4 vligoisans itt WOO Malta 4P. Raja'
tarn his panics, - and kneiP hill'. Ali. Where he ire but
would the country tOistle him. itorilper gettirtts.th-.
velligate the ctilitluet behistiatratt? He anrihtipation,
no doubt; deferved each othisee• friendthlp, lbt their
mutual fervietl. He would give his Lordflcip tweak
for manly poiity,• and gratitede tb the Right HIM.
Gentleman; :bitt thotrO.llilt itligl4l4e vet t gralt;4:;
;rig in privatelife, it lc tl)ett)ifqiiali&cl hire for
.thc,
Gtuation to be allatutd, ;an.:: of what was the. Coat,
mittee to examine? kit. and fecret tranfailliont.
The NetblesiAfrd 44 beltk''tataged in limiter tran.
rations Id rtiet,i,44 Wreath t iiitiet his palate mitylme
become vitialed.'in tbcfe matters; and the..pohlii
and he entertain very different ideas oethe,ufee- atiel,
abnfes of public motey.. He tnielt ittittifto fo*e!,
trate matters. 'rim Noble .i...ordid.lmeu charged,:
with a kaii4gßis rnifuie 4 moner,jtkpapments to
perfons in. :inland, ito ..earry the ttniots,' aid:had
hood and fat Mee. Th etarile
_bad been 'yeftat:rf
ia the Atitifh hfe.Of..P- in?if AO 14 rtlis An*.
male. • .fear /.ear?) ' e-klk gotined that the
Right Hon. Gentleman oppedltetende hot, iftwair
his HIM acctitity, have
.nititiclie.!Ofa • - could 'W
not have proved it. it was.teptapt4
jul. tillt?'/ ,A
would refer. he Noble 14.041, , _ _ ig t Honour-
able able Friend. If he dealed:ir, what if he examined
Mr. Fofter at the B-tr? nat.ltilgt.ll,.l6liiiiiiiiii
thefe delicate ;tiantadiOne-. id.,lagillielviUr ? Was
the Noble Lord a potion fit .ferthat.enmenitote2.=.
Let the enquiry be eieilofeiert4tetbonefli thepnb-
lic would not he fatisfied-atrithditFla p Committer,
after filch a charge tiiiiCh he TlCfr.-W.,) 4'6-alio
pre. He recleaned, therefore, Cush a motion not
extraordinary, after what had happened, though not
precedented. The Hon. MeMber then altnded' es felt
own name, and obferved, that be would gladly
withdraw front fuch a Committee—but if itappearoi
a general with for him to remain on it, he Soiled cer-
tainly take care to attend to it. Let him, however,
he !truck off, if any perfon thought hi. coudatt In
this bufinefs cancerous—if they confidered him a
perfecutor indeaci of a prolocutor ; or if they could
fee the folly he was accufed ofi relpeaing the alledg-
ed changes in the order of his motion. He liked his
conduct the betterfor the cenfuret he received from
Come perfons.—After dwelling at great length on the
modes attempted to fcrcen Lord Melville, and the li-
mitations of the power of the Committee, he main-
tained, that with the firft majority of one, aye the
minorities (ince, the people of England, scot: and,
and Ireland, taint hand in .hand, applauded fociir
jutuice and fpirit. Was all talents gone ? Could
no independent Gentlemen belound to make up a
Committee fur. fuch a purpcife-as this ? He would
pot it to the flume of the oppofite fide, whether they
world Make this Committee a fcreen, or a (talking-
boric! Would the leave the -Public' confider it as a
cloak to cover Lord Melville? He , thought he
could name -a Gentleman, even is the place of the
Matter of the Balls, though lets able, yea whole
the country- would like better-and 'this would
apply more largely to the other obj-lionable per-
lons. He could find perfons as competent and
poffeffing more of the ;faith -of the public. Indeed
of the name of the Noble Lord, he would propofe a
Gentleman whom hi had loved and tefpeaed from his
youth, but whom he had alma contlantly oppofed
in politics, both in and not of that Houle ; with
Whom he mug have fometimes had the• heats and
even the bitternefs of eontefla bitternefs of .zeal
and not of-aitimony ; one who had given the Right
Honourable Gentleman an independent (import for
years. This Gentleman he had even within there
few months oppnfect ad..% ety in -his ele6lion to ferve
in that Houle, and he did not repent of it—he might
do fo again.. He meant Mr. Baker, of Hertford, a
Gentleman of talents, and anxiotifly laborious in
every thing rclativt to public advantage, and com-
manding every refpeet from all who knew him. He
concluded by moaing that the name of Lord Cattle-
reagh be. (truck off, and that of Mr. Baker fubdituted
in its room.

Tkert
: *Mini

srd
too,

Id not at-

The MASTER of the ROLLS fail, if it were ne-
celTary that every member of a Committee Should
conllantly attend his duty, many of thote now pro-
poled ought to be excluded ; but this was not con-
lidered expedient. He had never reprefented himfelf
as fo-abforhed in Wines, that he had no moment
and no daj which he could devote to this branch of
his Parliamentary engagements. He hadfrequently
meted n filch flotations: he was nained.fof One on
the Civil Lift; for another of confiderable confe-
quence relating to bailey grain in Scotland ; and he
haerPltcient time to form his opinion, and to aflifl
,in the„pieparations of the report. He trolled then he
was stet to be confidered as unqualified, and he hyped
it was not thought on every frivolous pretence he
was difpofed to abandon any duty, which it was tit
that a Member of that Houle Should perfotm. Cer-
tain he was, that he had never deferted any fituation

of this kind in. which he wes called upon to ad, bat 1
ocrnetacccoomunmit ottfeeitsininfte7r9firenupcoenwiinthothheisr
iinnsllif7pewn,fabbil:
uinktfowmiethothreeraptlpackea.furHee:b•ams:nt: Ste.he
ed of high ;polities to the ditparagement of others.
siat
direftion of the Houle. Many years he had enjoyed
If he were unfit
ts:i fori:achiherna
bcerhaarge.thalts tHhaotunko.wbuptri:
zinced hie- sintroaer mod depend, not capon fell.
Clina:lfdcdnivrnheerennimtade extravagant profefflont ; he war con-
appliure; Iliol opal conduit. Übe had never vaunt.
he had tibt Widely difclaimed party feelings and party
principles, and heihnuld rather think the work of
to* "mi. 09 sires dellitote of either. if, by she
pecuilai eseasioratences he was now called.• upon to
vindicate, his own honour, he would publicly pro
claim, that he never in that Houle. 'tittered a tepti,
nienilie did Rot nnikcientinal feel. When he, el.,
nikirSd this 91)04,1i0!% bat .00 Shr-rKs ()meld nix
punifhed berort they wale heard by their County'
whatever might be attributed to hiti, he was ht-
• fluenced by no party bias: he imputed to neither Ade
improper motives; ice had a more Fit employment in
regarding the purity of liis own. He was 'Metalling
a molt uppleafant topic—(tbe iffsgier of the &EL
eemed much efederl).—He was /peaking of /tin:Qt.—a
fubjea, he hoped, he &mad never again have neck,
fiAtl to recur to. He could confidently affirt he'had
never given the fisnaion of his authority (humble,
• indeo; it was) in the fupport of any principle, of
which, in his conkience, be dilapproved. If he were
objeaed to for his deportment, it mull be in the
Hot*, pot in the Committee ; the members of there
feleer eftablifhme—nts had no option—they had only
to exereife common fenfe on the evidence thtt was
produced before them. He apologifed to the Houle,
the rather becaufe he did not (peak to the quellion,
;but to that part of the Hon. Gentleman's, addrefs
;which appeared to convey fume Inspittatiins on his
, (thy Matter of the Roil's) charaisler, but at the faint
time he acquitted that Hon. Gentleman of any dery
1 taker to Oran relent is condu& or his motives` hfr. -AUL. 14 I$E.. lanteMed he hackbeen fo un-
fuccefsful as not 44 anak-e •hitsifeif underitood ; he
thqught
.it tvii impi4ble for any men to apply a
connenlbon on what tvesfaid gs the &solicit ftwet
difrefpedfpl to *0 Slot f_Mon.,Guathiman;
--1,00-11ifeettet-FHARfIf-0 utifere,4 that the
,ilrue of a tiff by the Xrtaftary; forlltt purpere of
the ballot, was not at all, mom cztqper thaa the
nomination of a ,CnotapiNce by lionograble
Gentleman. • • ..,,' • ' '
.111t.mle0X•tras.at iffi times happy to pal'due dere,
rtitt* ;t1 the tit 4 or e the Hnufe,„*ltgo it was govern-
ed ivy the dt relpea to the prinaipin of the arid&
enn4ltOtion. The attempt of an individual to foret
rlill far a-Committee tipciartlie HOtltes *4l4d be Gat-
liiiiSlpi but it was in a numb higher degree ainalasi,
toe any loch experiment to :emanate Crone the Tstsb
fury, aecompAnied with the influence 'that mute be
prefurned fops. that qutarter. ', if his ;-fon. Friend
(W. I)llti4wead,) bad-brought down a lilt, helkaidtt
'haat 1044 an' tt, provided he:approved of. it $ Vet
if his own condo& were tint intheadiate die& csf is.
velligetion, he Mould hieeiseen inter# Oireed of
bittiregsg be did not take all poirAf :Means of thew,
inietn'the linbriC• Ale Tattillitars.eko tkire in reams.
gleadiag 1 finale ingkeielnal„ far ..she rim* of Nab
an enquiry. If his friend fbould piodude to'him a Wt. '
where he (Mr.. Fox) was etten perfonally concerned,
he would lay, 44 I haste nothli to do with the nomi-
nation of sty own judges," and he would not conde-
fund to infpea it. If his eye were to dray upon the
;paper, and he fhoulddlkorer in the lid the name if
his Hon. Friend, he ()mold enquire if his Friend meant 1
to furrender his affection, and infult him by fuch a
propofition I much lefs could he do fuch an all in a
clandedine manner ; in fuch a cafe every name mad
be fobrziitted to the obfervation of the Houle, and be
expofed to its folemn decition. Confidering the con-
duet of the Flight Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Pitt) was
implicated in the charge, it was mod indecent that
his own colleagues &Quid be appointed to the Corn-
mittee. : He could only fay, that to -place himfelf in
fuch a fituerion, was diametrically oppotite to every
fentiment he (Mr. Fox) copld indulge; but if the
Right Honouratie Gentleman could accommodate
his feelings to filch a condition, he (Mr. Fox) fincerely
congratulated him on the convenient effect of his in- fentit:Pity.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQYER
Paid, Gentlemen teemed difpofed, in. order•to joilify
a fort of language of defiance, to reprefent the per-
fon to whom the exprelLcuts were directed, as not
only upon his trial, but as if consitted, and as hav-
ing received hie/erne:lice everybefore be was accofed.
(A cry of Hear, Ivan fiats the Oppoftiorr beach::.)--
Whatever might be the sletnantie -notions fume
Gentlemen =Olt entefiain, it Termed to him a very
Itrange opioion, at le:4E that whenever an imputa-
tion was thrown out againft a Miniller, the only pro.
per way of examining into his condo& was, by CI•
cluding the majority Or theHoufe from any (hare in
the enquiry, and admitting thole only to the duty
who had been in the regular habit of refinance to his
meafures, .He had nothing fo chimerical in his ideas
of honour, as to furrender to them every principle cf
reafon and common fenfe, every fentiment that was
held yerterable.in our laws, in order to recommend
himfelf •to thofe Gentlemen who profeffed loch a
doctrine. Nor was the praflice of Parliament on this
occa(ion fo incontinent as had been reprefented,
with the maxims of the Britifla Connitution. The
Committee had been appointed in the way the mnS4
ufual on fuch occafions. It was true, that the mode
had often been objetted to, yet, upon argument, it
had beep approved. Committees to appointed bad
pruduced Reports molt fatisfadory to the Houle and
to the Nation, and he was nor, - upon old explodcd
reafiming, difpoled to renounce what had been 1",
long ettablifhed. Had not the Houle already des-.
I ded the Committee wat to be cholen by ballot
When this was propofed, in the purfilit of his prelert
heleafivegnp'rtohe poH‘'fedn. thGea t tall li e ;near
inn
icsMi
tri. I.le67hci tebilrievatdd)d fhb
couctl.
eluded from the ballot ; he (hould have gone tarthers
and have Malted, that all Gentlemen who had con-
defcended io honour him (the Chancellor of the Ex.
chequer) with their private friendthip, fhould all.)
be excluded. Such were the extraordinary prepoli-
tions by which theft wild notions of perfonal delicacy •
and private honour mill be maintained, that his (Mr.
Pitt's) colleagues in oftice, as well as thole with whom
lie wag conneaed by the tics of .iffeelion, were in he
(kepi ived of their Farliarneetazy frit ileges. VII the

know wile* t, etnnTry, hecnme
arnami •!'-Wirat (nag end affociJ
obrenre, di* Lord (Car
the IriCl rendered
no delay...llrd t o r Noble L
re. 3/44 n office and
J;tfktl oe). Then
n. a Letter f?out in aplace of hieb
r, of the sth of of tl)e pike RA
entdrial Mating =terttrltinirptibl