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London, England, 1831-07-13 00:00:00

Mr. PRA ED then moved, that this debate be adjourned
till Friday nest.
Mr. JAMES rose amidst great cries from the ministerial
benches of" Divide, divide." He was glad that the house
hail divided so frequently, for it clearly proved the factious
nature of the present opposition. The people of Glasgow
ntidtt now hoist their black flag as soon as they pleased.
,rireat cheers.) The real question now before the country
tea. simply this—shall the power of voting away the liberty
,td property of the country be given to those who are ready
to pay the highes price for rotten boroughs? (Loud cheers.)
Lord TULLAMORE rejoiced that there was still a party
in the house which, so long as it bad political existence,
;emid defend the rights of the minority to assert their psi-
vii3O of moving an adjournment. The opposition had been
urzol to this course most reluctantly. He had understood
the Chancellor of the Exchequer to say, that the minors
must eventual!! succeed in this course, and therefore, though
it was but fax a trifle, he should pursue his former course,
surcort this amendment.
r 4:: C. WETHERELL supported the amendment.—
With the exulting majorities which the Government had ob-
•attiol, it ought to take for its motto—
" Parcae subjectis et dtbellare supetbos."
But it would do no such thing. It was not content with
daring in and out of the House with acomic train of atten-
dants. exulting and triumphing in their superiority—it must
also clamour its opponents into silence. Some gentlemen
thin present recollected 20 of these divisions taking place in
a right. When he had equalled that number, and had got a
drawn battle, he might perhaps give way ; but certainly not
then.
Mr. HUM E.—Men may live long and learn little. The
hon. and learned member opposite has lived long and known
little of his own situation or of that of his party. The mino-
rity in which he ( Mr. Hume) had been when such amend-
masts were proposed, was a minority contending against an
unpopular ministry. Here the situation was quite the re-,
verse. It was a popular Ministry contending with an Op-
position consisting of a handful of factious men.
L Jrti STOR MONT denied that he proposed these amend-
ments from faction. He did it to teach a lesson to the other
side of the house. He would give them a few more lessons
our of his spelling.book,and would not give up his situation
of schoolmaster so long as a single member could be found
to second his amendments. (Cries of " Oh.")
Mr. C. WOOD.—To what other motive but faction can
we attribute such conduct 2 (Cheers.)
Mr. S. PF.RCEVAL implored the house to consider the
situation of the Speaker, and entreated one of the conflicting
parties to give way out of consideration to that illustrious
individual.
Colonel SIBTHORP.—If Lord Stormont is tired, I
Shall persist in moving the same amendment.
17.51 r. KENNEDY.—The country will know how to ap.
preciate a proceeding so characteristic of gentlemen on the
other side of the house.
Mr. ROBINSON—I am sorry that the hon. member for
Tiverton did not fire hours ago put the observation which he
has just made regarding the Speaker to the gentlemen of his
own party. I think that we have now got to that point, that
if government gives way now, it will never be able to carry
the Reform Bill (immense cheering : cries of " We will.")
It was asserting a monstrous doctrine to say that a small
minority was to outweigh a majority which was increasing
on every division (cheers.)
The house again divided—Minority, 25; Majority, 187.
On our re-admission, the question was put and carried,
that Mr. Gordon be now heard, but that gentleman refused
to avail himself of the indulgence of the house-
A Meuse a then moved, and Mr. PRAND seconded it,
another motion that the house do now adjourn.
An hon. NEMBEII reminded the opposition side of the
house that a day of retribution might come for such conduct.
(Cheers.)
Lord BRUDENELL—It is a mere dispute about a
trifle.

.11r. PRAED said, that though he had formerly mowed
an amendment for the house to adjourn till Friday, he had
no intention that the house should not proceed with bust.
ness to-day.—(Cheers and laughter.)
Sir W. HORNE regretted the manner in which the last
six hours had been spent, in impeding, not in carrying on,
the public business. Could any gentleman of candour deny
that the minority ought tolield to the majority, and not the
majority to the minority.
Sir C. WET H ERELL said, that he would break a spear
with any man who said that he was acting wrongly on this
occasion. Never were amendments brought forward on more
constitutional grounds. He should continue to p the
path which he had hitherto followed, being convinced that in
that house he should be deemed to have acted the part of an
independent member of Parliament, though he was only the
member of a rotten borough.(Loud coughing).He would not
be coughed down as others had been. Though they had
been nightly performing their duty in that house, the public
believed that he and his friends had been colluding with
Government, and not conducting their cause with the ge-
nuine sincerity of men who conscientiously believed them,
selves to be engaged in a great cause. For this reason, '
sail Sir Charles, " I have made up my mind to perseve-
rance, and persevere T wilL"
Mr. SHELL said, that as Mr. Gordon. the first cause of
the debate, had receded, be thought Sir C. Wetherell ought
to recede too. One member said that they were contending
about trifles, and another about straws • but it ought not to
be forgotten, that straws might be lighted, and set fire to the
public mind. When this debate went forth to-morrow, the
whole metropolis would be in a ferment.
Sir J. BRYDOES proposed that they should draw lots toi
decide whether they should or should not adjourn the debate.
(Cheers and laughter.) If the house would not accede to
that proposition, he should support the amendment.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL—Are we then to un.
derstand that the hon. baronet supports the amendment, be-
cause the house refuses to decide this question by a toss-up?
(Cheers and laughter.)
The house divided—Minority 24 ; majority 187.
Sir C. WETHERELL asked the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer whether he had any proposition to make about the
resumption of this debate at 5 o'clock that day ? He and
his friends had been engaged in these discussions so long for
no other purpose than to secure the independence of this
house, and to prevent the freedom of debate from being stifled.
(Cheers, and cries of " Oh.") He did not wish to impede,
but to facilitate the settlement of this great question.
(Crier of " Oh.")
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was
anxious that the house should have the fullest opportunity
to discuss the question this evening. If the house would
;Mow him to go into committee pro forma, the chairman
nii4ht report progress, and ask leave to sit again to-morrow,
.rd the discussion might take place as before.
This arrangement was then agreed to.
The SPEAKER then put the question, that " I do now
leave the Chair." (The cries of" Ay" were deafening. A
Trir "Noes" were heard.

The Sl'E the " Ayes" have it. (fm.
t^en.e cheering from the Ministerial benches.)
The bill was then committed, the chairman reported pro-
pm, and obtained leave to sit again to-morrow (this day.)
The louse then adjourned at half-past seven o'clock, till
Otte o'clock this day.

tOwing to the confusion which prevailed in the House
during the whole of the discussion, and which we never
ass equalled except on the last day of the last session of
Parliament. we are afraid that our report is not so accu-
rate as we could wish. The late pout of the morning at
which these repeated divisions took place, has also com-
pelled us not only to abridge such speeches as we have
given, but also entirely to omit several, which at any other
tame we should have felt it necessary to report.]

[We have been favoured with another and full account of
s hat passed when the reportbrs were excluded] :
Lord TIYLLAAIORL declared his determination to move
a further adjournment. The noble lord had endeavoured to
....heck free discussion.
The Cu ANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER assured
the Noble Lord that he had not made any of the statements
which he attributed to him. The Noble Lord had said that
!t vas his wish to stop free discussion on this great subject.
lie would appeal to the House whether the question had not
received the most ample and the fairest possible attention.
lie had consented to adjournments in every case, where by
d9lng so that object could be promoted, but on the present
iccasion he should be wanting if he did not mark the opt-
r:,n which he entertained of the motion now made by con-
tinuing his opposition to it. (Cheers.)
Colonel DAVIES said that it wee impossible to mistake
motives which prompted the motion for adjournment.
The motion was made to create delay, and throw obstacles
ut the way of the great measure under consideration. The
inuntry would understand what was meant, and the public
t(Aild duly appreciate both the conduct of his noble friend
in resisting such a course, and that of those who sought to
purgue it. (Cheers.)
Sir J. BRYDOES said. the question did not appear to
h,ra to have received sufficient discussion; the question of